Okay, we're back, this is Dave Vellante. I'm here with my co-host today, Stu Miniman. We're here live at Gillette Stadium at the V-Tug Winter Warmer. The V-Tug, the V-Mugs are local meetups where people get together.  A bunch of IT practitioners really sharing and it's a good event. Brad Maltz is here, he is the CTO's office of Luminate, a CTO, Lifetime CTO. Brad, welcome. Good to see you again. Thank you for having me. Appreciate you coming on. This is a good event. It's always been a good event for you guys, just for a little history. You were the CTO of ICI. Correct. Right around the corner from Wikibon. Yep.  Miss you guys, but the Luminate acquisition was a big deal for you guys. It really has taken you to a new level. So why don't we start there? Take us through sort of the last, I guess it's been what, 12 plus months, right? Yeah, so Luminate and ICI actually merged in the beginning of 2013. And it was really, it was the ability for ICI to be able to take our messaging nationally. And for Luminate to gain certain technologies and certain skill sets that were actually, I don't want to say missing, but were probably not as strong as what ICI had. So when we actually brought the two organizations together, we now have a very strong virtualization practice, a very strong data center. Security is a huge one that Luminate actually brought into the fold, so that the guys in the Northeast ourselves actually were able to utilize. So really what we actually like to say now is Luminate is really focused on data center, cloud, security, and end user experience. Those tend to be the four major areas that customers work with us on. So let's unpack those a little bit because you guys, I mean, when you think data center, I mean, I think I remember when EMC announced, or VCE, I guess they say, announced Vblock, you guys had your own converged infrastructure. You were ahead of the game there. So converged infrastructure's going on. Everybody wants to sort of replicate, duplicate the cloud-like capability in their own data center. I mean, not everybody, but many customers do for good reasons. So that's one trend that we want to look at. Cloud is obviously another one. Security on top of everybody's mind and the end user experience is what? Like VDI too? I mean, it's- It's basically the next generation of how we're handling the movement of the consumerization of IT. How enterprises are dealing with delivering not so much a virtual desktop, but delivering the application and the experience that has to go along with the application and usage of data. So it really takes it to a different level than just VDI. So let's start with the data center. Everybody's talking about the software defined data center. Is that a bunch of marketing BS? Is it real? Is that a sort of yes and yes? So, well, the term software defined data center obviously evolved from VMware. So at some level it is marketing, but what I've come to find is these terms always come to mean something, just like cloud started out as marketing and now is something real. Software defined data center, I always termed it as virtualization was the first form of it because it really took compute and memory and it virtualized that. And now what we're looking at is virtualizing the other aspects of the data center that we really didn't have that type of that type of software definition for. So obviously network and storage tend to be the next two most logical pieces of it. So, Brad, if I, just before we get off the data centers too, everybody talks about the software defined data center, but nobody talks about the actual data center itself. Can the notion of software defined and automation go to actually down into the facility, the cooling, the power? I mean, are customers thinking about that? Is the industry thinking about that or is it just sort of an afterthought? So customers are not thinking about that. I definitely see other manufacturers and vendors starting to head down that road, but I think what's happening is people are still trying to get used to the concept of software defined data center with the aspects that they understand, meaning storage and networks and stuff, for them to be able to fathom virtualizing all controls and all automation aspects of a facility, I think that is a little bit probably out there for many, many people out in the field right now. So I see that probably as a long term discussion of truly software defined data center. It's going to be building blocks of these pieces that we're starting with now. Part of that is organizational too. A lot of times the IT guys and the facility guys aren't talking about that. So Brad, I was wondering if you can unpack a little bit for us, software defined in the networking and the storage space, where are you and your customers at with that these days? That's a great question. So software defined storage I see is probably the next leg of what's going to become reality for a majority of people out there. For the reason simply that software defined storage, depending on what definition of software defined storage you use, many people are doing it already. There's been data cores been around for a while doing their version of it for many, many years. The fact that VMware has gotten into the game with VSAN, the fact that EMC has ScaleIO, all these other features and pieces of it are coming out, but left hand had a VSA years ago, NetApp has theirs. Depending on if you use the definition of virtualizing the software that runs the storage or is it actually going to be that separation of the control plane from the data plane? And that's really the big, I think the war that's going to be going on over the next year, probably 2014 is the big year for that, of what's going to truly win out for the term software defined storage. Is it more of an EMC Viper? Or is it going to be more of a VM or VSAN and where are we going with that? So I wonder if I could ask you again, I love having you on because the CTO perspective, this notion of separating the control plane from the data plane, I'd never heard customers talk about that until I heard the EMC Viper announcement. And so I said, okay, what's really behind that? Is that EMC trying to abstract the complexity of its portfolio or does it really truly add customer value and is that a long-term trend? Or maybe both, maybe sometimes EMC can lead that trend by trying to solve some of the problems that it created. So help us squint through some of that. So when you start talking about EMC Viper, specifically, because that's one of the leading form of the control plane storage discussion, realistically, EMC is one of the leaders there because they have a product around it, but even pieces like OpenStack have modules that do that breakout of storage control into a control plane. Now the problem is many organizations are not ready for that discussion, right? Many organizations are still trying to wrap their head around what is software defined storage for me and do we need to get to the layer of separating out control versus the data plane? Now, when you're talking about the enterprise shops, I like to say usually Fortune 50, maybe Fortune 1,000, somewhere up in that range, that's when the organization has enough people and enough talent internally to be able to separate out the control plane and the data plane and actually make a real functioning environment. When you start dropping down into the lower end enterprise and probably a large part of the commercial industry, those organizations don't have the talent on board or even the ability right now to implement anything close to an EMC Viper yet. Okay, so there's some complexities in separating the control plane and the data plane. There is. Let's assume I'm an organization that can exploit that mental model. What are the benefits of doing that? So the benefits are agnostic automation of your environment. The ability to not have to care what storage array is actually behind it, what vendor I've utilized. I can have EMC storage. I can have virtual like a VSAN. I can have an HP three par in place and at the same level, whenever I write my automation layer upfront, I can have the exact same set of commands and the same set of controls upfront, no matter who is sitting behind my storage layer. That right there is the true definition of as we move into the cloud, you are going to need that level of separation because cloud is about operationalization and automation. And to be able to get to a standardized operating model and a standardized automation model, you need to have commonality in the back end. So let me make sure I understand this. So historically the control plane and the data plane has sort of been munged in this box. Inside one array. It's locked inside the array and he who sold the array made a ton of cash. So now if you separate those out, great for customers that you can, everybody complains about, you know, stovepipes, but so the power in the industry shifts to the guy who can manage that control plane. Is that right? It's like VMware. I mean, and I'm going to equate software defined storage back to software defined servers because when VMware came out with a hypervisor, they took some of the control capabilities away from the server manufacturers. All of a sudden you saw Adele and HP and those guys starting to say, oh my God, we're not going to be able to sell as many servers because look at VMware, look what they can do. But realistically what happened was there was a happy medium that was found in between that the server manufacturers can augment and work with the virtualization layer, even though that virtualization layer didn't make those server manufacturers as unique anymore. And that's what's going to happen in the storage space. You're going to find the storage vendors trying to clamor for the ability to stay unique while also trying to be the owner of that control plane. And the owner of the control plane, you're saying will be able to deal with anybody's storage. So if I have an EMC control plane and an HP control plane and an IBM control plane. Well, that's the problem. I'm stove piping control planes. And that's going to be the discussion is, first of all, is the control plane based on standards, industry standards. That's a very big discussion that's going on right now in the back end of all these companies. And second of all, is somebody going to need multiple control planes, right? Is one control plane going to be enough? Will EMC Viper be enough if they have a mix of storage vendors behind the scenes? The answer by a lot of these guys is yes, it will be. And that's what they're aiming for to deliver through these different models. And that's a good vision. I mean, as a technologist, you love that, right? Now, and you mentioned OpenStack before, that's in part OpenStack's potential, is it not? That is exactly what OpenStack's potential is. OpenStack is interesting because it's affecting many different areas. And if you think about it, OpenStack has their storage modules. Their network modules tend to actually be not their own. It's not part of the OpenStack as much as the nice series of the world in Cisco and other people have modules that fit in. But OpenStack has like Cypher and some of these other pieces that actually will control the storage. So the real discussion in the softer defined storage spaces, who's going to win out and who's going to work best with OpenStack? Does OpenStack need to have an outside control plane such as an EMC Viper to truly function properly? Or will they have something built in that they can do themselves? And the other piece of that is if EMC, do I take my data plane and make it work with the OpenStack control plane? Exactly. And how aggressive am I about that? Or do I walk a fine line? Well, let's take EMC as a good example. They've always done a really good job of walking that fine line and building their own stuff. So I don't see that affecting them. There are other storage manufacturers out there that are going to have a tougher time in that. And I don't want to name names, but some of them know what's happening in the industry and are not keeping up with it. Well, but that's a good point. You're right, EMC has always somehow figured it out. Stu used to work there, but they, and they're not afraid to go after their own businesses, but at the same time, they're not afraid to keep their own businesses humming. So organizationally, they got that modeled out. Right, I wonder if we can take the discussion over to Convergence. As we said, when you were ICI, you had your own product. You've worked with VCE, and now there's even newer Converged architecture you mentioned. VSAN from VMware and EMC's got the Scale.io. What are you seeing out there in kind of the maturation and adoption of Converged solutions? So from a Converged perspective, there's actually another term we've been using of Hyper Converged. And the Hyper Converged term starts to head down the SimpliVity, the Nutanix, sort of these all-in-one boxes that have that extra layer of Convergence. The Convergence discussion has become really easy to have. First of all, because there are so many proven versions of it out there. Anything from a VBlock to VSpecs to FlexPod, all these different versions of it, they've been proven finally. People have bought in their references, and I think that market is set, and that market is going to push forward very quickly. When you get into the Hyper Converged market, it's basically kind of nipping away at the tail of the Converged market because it's extending it to such an extreme that those guys are actually doing really well out there now, and they're getting a lot of mind-sharing in the industry right now because the mentality of Converged and even Hyper Converged is, you don't need to worry about what's behind it. And if you don't need to worry anymore about those underlying layers, the storage layers and the server layers, then all of a sudden, you can minimize the impact on operations. You can minimize the impact on upgrade costs, on future build-out costs, and really, that's why I do see Converged and Hyper Converged taking off and being a mainstay for the industry. We had Dairy Lee on earlier, Stu, and they were looking at doing some, redoing their backup, and they realized that, geez, it's going to be too expensive. They ended up bringing in, was it's sublivity, I think. Sublivity.  It was quite an interesting story. So Brad, actually, we dropped a report about a week ago, and we said Hyper Converged was kind of an interesting term. There's a lot of storage solutions, software solutions out there that kind of answer that. What we put forth was what we call a server sand because if you look, we had Brad Anderson on for Microsoft and storage spaces for Microsoft could fit into this discussion. Exactly. You know, VMware, and of course, SimpliVity, Nutanix, who just announced a big round. So there's a lot going on in that space. What do you think? Will that just eat away at the flex pods and VCEs of the world? Is it additive? And just this whole Converged market will take over the legacy? What do you say? So it's funny, because it's always eat or be eaten world right now. That no matter what technology you're talking about, oh my God, that's the best thing ever. And it's going to destroy all the rest of the market.  Even inside of, again, you look at like the net apps of the world and Hitachi's and the EMC's, they all have these different storage arrays that have lived peacefully forever, VNX and VMAX and FAS, and HDS with VSP and HUSVMs. They all have their place in the market, and that's what's going to happen with the Nutanix and SimpliVity versus the VBlocks and the VSpecs, they're all going to find their niche, right? Now, yes, a Nutanix with SimpliVity can they work in a larger environment? Definitely. Are they going to take over the market? No, they're not, because you're still going to need some level of features and functions that these traditional storage arrays have actually given you, so a traditionally converged stack is actually going to be a lot better for some of the larger enterprise to actually put behind them. What about, let's talk Amazon for a bit. They were here, given the Amazon 101, which a lot of practitioners hadn't heard. I talked to a number of practitioners and said, this was all new to me, and very powerful messaging. You're seeing them be very aggressive moving into the enterprise. What are you seeing there? How do they fit into your go-to-market strategy in your portfolio? Are you connecting into Amazon? Are you kind of competing with Amazon? How's that all? It's interesting, because Amazon's one of those, for myself, right? We went from a traditional kind of consulting organization into the reseller space many years ago, and we've kind of tried to move forward into that future of our model, which we're trying to still figure out like everybody else. The cloud has driven us to learn more about all the different offerings out there, and Amazon has obviously been a leader in the cloud space, and I think they're going to continue to be for a very long time. If anything, many of the other cloud providers are catching up to Amazon. Amazon is truly the leader in this space, and I think they'll stay that way for a long time. For the reason that they're easy to use, they're easy to purchase. They have many, many features that a traditional set of clouds do not have, and the question really is, what do you need to get out of your cloud? Is it just IaaS? Is it just a virtual machine to run something? Or do you want to actually expand what your organization can do in the cloud, and get to the storage as a service, the platform as a service, the big data as a service? If you want to expand into this larger set of portfolios, if you want that one-stop shop, Amazon today is pretty much the only person you're going to be able to use. It's very lowering. It essentially turned the data center and all the utilities around it into an API. You're right. And we were reinventing, they're announcing things like Kinesis and VDI as a service. I feel as though, I mean, obviously huge market. And we're talking trillions of dollars in business. And it seems as though the sort of general enterprise market is still trying to figure out, okay, how do we compete with Amazon? How do we replicate some of those capabilities? Are they figuring it out? Is it coming together, or is there still need to be more work done there? There's going to be more work done. I mean, that's not ready yet. Unfortunately, it's going to be as good as the, how do I put this? The industry cannot absorb it all at once at this point, because things have been moving so fast for probably the past three to four years, since the inception of the term cloud, which I think happened around 06. Which is by the way, the year that Amazon announced AWS. Exactly. And that was when I think Google had kind of, termed the coin, coined the term cloud at some level. Amazon took that over and ran with it. And since then, that's really changed how the market has been progressing. Cause all of a sudden it was a deluge of everybody's going to be going cloud by 2010. Oh my God, it's going to take over the market. It's not the year of VDI joke that we always have around VDI. But the year of cloud has been a steady progression towards okay, we really seriously have to look at cloud. And Amazon has been the beneficiary of that because they were the first to market with it. They have the most robust solution if you're looking for breadth of actual features. And realistically, the cost model is there. Now the problem is organizations have not understood or learned how to control the progress into an Amazon cloud. And that's actually been one of the defensible pieces by other cloud providers is especially VMware based ones that they can help them get to a public cloud model with a little bit less impact to the business. Cause right now, if you have Amazon, your developers are using them, you don't know if they're using them possibly. They could just be swiping their credit cards off running machines and all of a sudden where are your apps? Where's your data? Oh, the security breach? Okay, we're in trouble. When you're in a VMware shop going to more of a VMware cloud, there tends to be a little bit more of an IT control put in place to move to that cloud. And that's what has to happen in the Amazon space right now is the IT organizations have to help lead the business to Amazon and not let the business lead IT to Amazon. So is that an opportunity for an integrator like yourself? Exactly. I mean, so you're not running from Amazon, you're watching it and potentially embracing it, right? We're watching it. Amazon's been interesting to partner with. They have not always been the most VAR friendly. They're really not. The most, you know, there was never a need to have a consulting organization work with Amazon until the past few years. Yeah, that's changing, isn't it? It's changing 100%. Now they're actually... Because they like to get into the enterprise. Exactly, they're seeing that. And they're needing the consulting aspect. There are a lot of coding partners, but not integration partners, and they're starting to get there. Yeah, go ahead, Stu. So I was just, you know, what about Microsoft? We had, you know, Brad Anderson on earlier and said everything that they build, it gets, you know, built out in Azure first and then puts on. So they have a really good story for that hybrid deployment. So I'm wondering your thoughts there and are you guys working with Microsoft? So it's funny, Microsoft is on my list of 2014 initiatives to work with. We have been a very traditional VMware partner to the point that obviously we've worked with every product set. We've picked up the VMware Clouds, become a service provider for them at some level as well as work with their VCHS offering. And then what we're seeing is Hyper-V kind of sort of is knocking on the door for a lot of SMBs and mid markets. Upstream, they're not really getting there yet. But what is ending up happening is the cloud discussion is happening more and more around Azure now. And because of that, people are forcing us meaning illuminate to be able to get into that discussion. What my experience has been is that it is very easy to use almost as easy as Amazon, not quite there yet. But they've also don't quite have the feature rich sets that Amazon has or the stability and the long history that a VMware type of setup has. Because VMware always do the opposite. VMware started with their internal products and they pushed them out to the cloud whereas Microsoft's doing the opposite. So they don't support as much yet which means that a lot of customers won't be able to get into that just yet. Right, and while we're on the VMware strategy, what are your thoughts? I mean, did the VMware get it right this time? The VMware hybrid cloud service? You know, what are you seeing? Is uptake there? Is it moving? The short answer is, do I think they got it right for the most part, yes. There was a lot of disruption in the VMware community when they came out with VCHS simply because they had so many service providers on their VCloud suite that it was almost like you're kind of killing the industry. What ended up happening though is they actually became friends at some level and VCHS became somewhat of a test bed to allow the service providers to see some of these other features of being able to be integrated into VCD. I have not seen VCHS stealing from the other service providers and we work with the likes of Island and some of those guys. The other nice thing that VCHS is doing, there is a slow uptick for them but it's a good slow uptick because they're having things like disaster recovery as a service tied directly into SRM, stuff like that, that's going to be coming out. And when you get those types of features, people are really comfortable doing DR as a service right now more so than infrastructure as a service to kind of put their foot in the water and see what's going on. Yeah, when we saw the VMware hybrid cloud service come up, we said, okay, this is kind of VMware's stick to get the service provider community behind what they're trying to do. And so I think you're right, they haven't been trying to steal business, they're trying to catalyze business. This is how you do it, follow us and we will lead you. But people were afraid it was a little bit of a head fake there for a while. It was and it was interesting, but actually in the past I would say probably two months there's been a huge uptick in discussion around VCHS as well as customer buy into it. And the cloud credits program from VMware was also a nice discussion to have with customers to give them flexibility of which VMware cloud to actually get. All right, Brad, I'll give you the last word. 2014, put a bumper sticker on what you want to see if we're here in 2015 and you're pulling away from Gillette Stadium at the, you know, 2015 VTUG. What's the bumper sticker on 2014 going to say? 2014 was probably the year that software defined data center was truly defined. Excellent. All right, man, really appreciate you coming on and always an awesome discussion and great guest. All right, keep it right there everybody. Stu Miniman and I will be back to wrap up. We're here live. This is Silicon Angles theCUBE. From the VTUG Winter Warmer live from Gillette Stadium. We'll be right back.


Mm-hmm Hey gems welcome back to my channel, so I decided to record a video showing you guys what I eat in a day Not it I'm pregnant and of course still begin Not to mislead anyone but I have not been eating like this since the beginning of my pregnancy I actually just started eating like this. I was actually eating pretty reckless at the beginning. Well reckless in my opinion Just eating a lot of wraps and fried stuff and Bread and stuff like that not enough fruits So I now that I feel a little better in terms of morning sickness and so forth I'm trying to incorporate way more fruits into my diet Veggies like salads and stuff Yummy in the tummy Is it again yummy in the tummy Noah no no no no you didn't kiss Can I have a kiss? Oh like I was saying At the beginning of my pregnancy I was not eating as healthy as I know I should have been. Not saying that I wasn't eating fruits and veggies, I just wasn't eating as much as I know I needed to. I had all kind of weird cravings and I was just giving in to all of them. So after about the first few weeks I started and my morning sickness came down harder. What I wanted to eat was limited, but what I could eat was limited. And the only thing that seemed to stay down in the morning was oats. So for like months I've been eating oats for breakfast. However this week I haven't been eating oats, which is good. Not seeing that oats is unhealthy is just that too much of anything is not good for you. And like I said I've been eating it every day for months, including this guy.  So we switched things up and we're on a healthier path, especially around this time with the virus going on, you want to eat as much fruits and veggies as possible, keep your immune system up and all that good stuff. So follow me today and see what I eat in a day. Every day is not the same, so don't think that this is what I eat every day, but you know I kind of been eating like this for a week. So we'll see what the day brings us. Anyways, let me show you guys how I start my morning. So for the past couple weeks I've been starting my morning with herbal tea. I usually do lavender and chamomile, but today I have nettle and dandelion. So I'm just going to strain this into my cup with a teaspoon of honey. So I have my tea strained and I like to add a teaspoon of Seamoth gel, since I don't like the taste of the Seamoth by itself, I find that putting it in my tea helps. So I could get this open and I just stir that around until it dissolves and I sip on my tea. I'm just going to sit here, sip on my tea until it's done and then I'm going to show you guys my breakfast. Nettle tea, dandelion, raspberry, olives, olive leaves, those are really great teas to drink while you're pregnant. If you're looking for healthy herbal teas that is pregnancy safe, those are just a few you can start with. Okay, so I'm finished with my tea, which was really good. Now let me show you what my breakfast is. So I already had this prepared and sitting in the fridge, a bowl of melon. So I have watermelon, it's mostly watermelon and then I have some honeydew and cantaloupe. And Sia is eating melon. This is his second bowl. Come, come, let me help you. He's still used to eating oats in the morning that every morning he wake up and asks for that and I'm trying to break him out of it and incorporate more fruits. Not saying that he didn't eat fruits but it's been hard to get him to eat fruits. So yeah, this is what we're doing. He's been eating fruits for breakfast all week here.  I'm pretty much going to be eating fruits from now until about lunchtime and I usually have like a late lunch. So I'm going to eat these melons and then probably in the next 30 minutes to an hour I might have like a few pears and a peach. Yeah, like I've been doing really good with fruits and I feel so much better. So I'm going to keep this going. Shout out to the hubby for packing up our house with fruits. Like one day he came home with so much fruits.  I've already ate like most of the peach he brought home. We have pears, plum, yeah so I'm going to sit and enjoy this.  Real quick I just wanted to show you guys the teas that I usually start my day off with. I have dandelion, my netto leaf, red raspberry, then I have chamomile which these are organic as well. I just put them in, I had them longer so I put them in a mason jar and I have lavender. So that's the teas that I've been drinking and probably will continue to drink throughout my pregnancy and beyond. I'm about to eat a snack which is just some pears cut up in fours, about two pears. I'm going to give Josiah some, bite it, good job. So I am feeling a little hungry and need another snack so I'm going to have me some toast. I'm just going to toast two slices of this multigrain bread and have it with some brazona cheese that I made in this bowl. I usually have my toast with avocado but I don't have any avocado. I ran out a few days ago. So here is my toast, I have three slices of bread and this is the cheese. I know it does not look appealing but it tastes so good and yeah, nothing fancy all, like I'm not a fancy eater, I just eat what I like. So it's just about dinner time and I'm about to prepare my dinner. Josiah is going to have some kamut cereal which I made already. And if you don't know what kamut is, well what kamut cereal is is kind of like cream of wheat but you use the kamut grain instead. You buy it in like a grain that looks like rice and then you grind it up to like a grainy powder and then you make the cereal like how you would make cream of wheat. Well, everybody don't make cream of wheat the same but if you're from the islands, how you make cream of wheat. So he's going to have that for dinner, it's hot so I'm just letting it cool before I bring him over and I am going to have a kale salad wrap. Y'all, I know what I eat throughout the day is boring but listen, my eating habits changes throughout my pregnancy and I just happen to record when it's not that interesting but healthy. So that's a good thing.  I'll show you guys how that looks when it's finished. This is not a tutorial video so I'm not showing you how I make anything but if that's what you want to see let me know. So this is the last meal of the day, well the last thing I'll be eating today and if I have anything else later it'll probably be another cup of tea or some juice. I have some fresh squeezed juice in the fridge, well leftover juice. This one is a pineapple, ginger and turmeric and this one is just orange and ginger. So I basically drank most of this yesterday as you can see but I might finish this later if I have anything else. So yeah, I'll show you guys how my wraps look when I'm finished so stay tuned. I just finished feeding Josiah his kamut and I was taking him out of his high chair. The empty bowl was on his little table there. I'm pulling out the table a little bit so I can take him out and the things slipped my hand and the bowl dropped and shattered. So I just finished, well I'm not finished preparing my dinner but I'm finished preparing to just sit there. Do you need to use the potty? Do you need to use the potty? I don't even remember what I was saying but I had to do with that. Anyways, I'm about to put my wraps together and sit down and eat. I've had so many distractions, it's just me and Josiah home today so I am eating way later than I usually eat and I'm starting to feel gassy and nauseous. Anyways, this is my kale salad. If you want to know how I make my kale salad I have a video of that on my channel already so go check that out and these are my wraps. These wraps are perfection y'all, they're nice and soft and flexible and they smell good. So I'm going to use, what I'm going to use, what am I going to use, I'm going to use a little veganese, put on my wrap, fill it with the kale salad and then eat. Nothing special. I could have added more stuff but I'm honestly, like when I'm pregnant I don't want to cook. When I'm pregnant I don't want to cook, I don't want to smell the food cooking, I just want to eat. So I have not been the one cooking in my household, Jamal cooks. I would assist the most but he mainly does all the cooking so I know today is going to be my birthday but today I've been home alone so I'm just eating what has like the least preparation and maybe I'll do another one of these when he actually cooks a meal and it's more interesting. I don't know, we'll see. But I'm going to put these together, show you guys how I look on it in this video. Nothing special. So here are my wraps, very simple, literally just have kale salad in it. As you can see that's all I used and that's it. That's about it for this video, I hope you guys enjoyed it. If you guys want to learn, well if you want me to do a video on how I make my wraps from scratch give this video a thumbs up. I actually, I have a video recorded showing how I make my wraps already. It's just not edited so it's very old though. It's very old.  I think I recorded it in like 2018, shortly after having Josiah so I'm going to look at it and if it's okay I might still edit it and put it up but if not I might record a new one and then edit that and put it up. If you want to know how I make my kale salad, I have a video of that on my channel already and that's it, I'm about to sit down, eat, clean up and then get Josiah and myself ready for bed. So I hope you guys enjoyed this video, don't forget to like, comment and subscribe. It costs you nothing and means the world to me and yeah you guys will see me in my next video. Peace.


While since I made a video on Islam, YouTube is really popular right now with Andrew Tate and Sneakoo converting and a lot of their followers and other people is looking into Islam. I keep seeing literally the worst arguments I have ever heard. Literal, haram level arguments. As I mentioned already, Islam is exploding on social media and this is why we see atheists Christian using Islamic linguistics. They use terminology like, Haram! Even if those people never accept Islam, it just goes to show how Islam is spreading. That of course reminds us of the Hadith of the Prophet Salafi alayhi wa Salam that Islam will enter every household. And this is what we see at the moment, this is why Christians are afraid of course, because Islam is the fastest growing religion.