Good evening. Welcome to the farming podcast brought to you by Private Property. My name is Mbali Wongo and welcome for joining us this Tuesday evening. I almost forgot I was about to say Thursday evening. Clearly I'm rushing into quarter two already but welcome for joining us this Tuesday evening. Today's show is a bit interesting because we get to speak to someone who's built their career within the agricultural sector but doing something slightly different not being a farmer not being a marketer but we are speaking to an agrijournalist slash photographer who's also had an agribusiness within the agri valley chain so we're going to get some insights into the different or alternative farming methods that are available to ensure that our beautiful sector that we all dearly love which is the agricultural sector remains sustainable for the long term. I think it's important to contributing towards food security but at the same time being sustainable. 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Thank you once again and continue to share like and comment on all our live conversations most importantly because you get to speak to the to the guests that we have onto the show directly but I'd like to introduce our guest today her name is Marinda Lowe and she is like I said an every journalist slash photographer let's get to know about who she is and her role to the agricultural sector. Marinda how are you doing? Great thanks for having me and thank you to all your listeners and viewers great to be here thank you. Thank you I'm sure this is going to be interesting conversation so I really can't wait but before we get into the nitty-gritty Marinda please just give us a short introduction what you've done in the agri industry especially with your compost making business etc and what you do now as an agri journalist etc. Great question thank you very much and my composting or my agri career actually started as a packaging technologist it was a export table grape company exporting grapes to to the EU and to Europe and beyond and they wanted to convert from conventional farming to organic farming so the farm it was very sandy soil so what needed to be done and especially in organic farming is that you need to build the soil structure and organic matter the best way to do that is composting. So I was sent on a composting course to Austria and I completed the composting course there and then I started with Ili Reilinges we started Reliance Compost which is now a national composting company providing organic compost to quite a few farms and landscapers and so on so that basically was the base also of of organic farming and sustainable farming is the compost and then eventually I actually started writing about composting and organic farming and that led to a career in in journalism took me to media 24 to new magazine and then freelancing and event writing agricultural articles on anything ranging from keynote farming to goat farming and alternative farming systems in South Africa. Wow so but what does what does alternative farming systems mean are we talking about changing soil and rather farming and compost or you know the the new term or kid on the block is hydroponically etc using growing medium etc this is regarding into crop production but maybe moving on to livestock what are some of the alternative farming methods but if you could just explain that concept broadly so we could understand. I think alternative farming is looking at historical conventional farming but looking at it from a different angle or farming better or smarter and it can also mean alternative farming systems such as vertical farming if you live in high density areas and you don't have land surface that you farm vertically you rooftop farming we see that beehives are being kept on top of skyscrapers and so people farming in water and acroponics hydroponics and people farming oysters avalone and seawater kelp and then also freshwater farming so alternative farming is not only looking at conventional farming and doing it differently in terms of organic but it could also be totally different farming systems you know. What are some of the upsides and downsides of having to explore alternative farming systems you mentioned for example instead of farming like the old traditional ways people can now farm vertically it sounds very fancy and technical does it come at a high price etc you spoke about bees being kept in skyscrapers you know what type of infrastructure and investment is required in that and who looks after the bees at the top of the skyscrapers you know what I mean so what are the pros and cons of alternative farming systems? Well the reason for alternative farming is that the old or historical ways of farming is not working anymore you see that conventional farmings they need to add more chemicals they need to increase the dosages but also our export markets are starting to demand less and less chemical sprays and the standards are very very high in terms of what for example fruit farmers are allowed to use and spray on the apples of pears and citrus that goes to international markets so from one hand there's a demand from customers to reduce chemical and other input and also it becomes costly but also we need to look at our resources our water and soils being diminished so from that point of view we also need to look differently or look for alternative ways of farming so there's pressure from both sides both from nature and the resources we have available and then the markets itself that demands that we look that demand that we look differently to how we farm and then also we need to develop new markets we want to start farming different products we need more bees to pollinate the more almond trees and blueberries that are being planted in South Africa so you find that from one industry another industry grows and you also find that farmers need to diversify even more in terms of the product range that they have available so I don't know if that answers your question yeah I mean you spoke about from your answer you've also just alluded to you know the reason why alternative farming methods are critical is that they help us preserve our natural resources you know and that being water and soil which is such big components into the farming industry and if I think mentioned that you've just done a bit of work or research around water and soil can you share something about those two elements for us I think the two the two is very interrelated to each other the example that I mentioned was the same when you put nutrients when you give nutrients to the plant and water and if there's not a good soil structure your water will and your nutrients will leach out so what you need to do and what certainly what what South Africa needs to do is build the organic matter content in the soil what that means basically is adding composting in the soil or on top of the soil mulching that not only helps with the evaporation of moisture from the soil it prevents weeds growing in terms of the mulch that you put on top but it also helps to create a soil structure it creates aggregates if that's the word I can use that help to maintain soil in the moisture in the water so your soil quality and soil structure goes hand in hand with the top and the amount of water that you use and then yes but it depends on which soil type you use and also which crop and how you are you water are you manage your water and what type of irrigation so there's many other parameters in terms of water usage that one can look out to reduce the amount of water that one uses yeah going back to compost Miranda because you ran a business within the composting and I suppose some of the key insights that you're sharing as well are you know real live or lived experiences within your compost business and you mentioned that you know you saw the compost two farmers as well as private individuals in the home gardens and I'm just thinking I mean as a farmer who's just farming on fast stretches of land you know that once you farm more sustainably I'm sure compost might not work for him or her you know unless they try different methods to preserve soil etc but do you think for professionals who are farming you know in the backyard gardens or sorry individuals who are growing food systems in their backyard gardens etc how can they preserve their compost time and time again because sometimes as a farmer myself I get queries from individuals saying oh my crops died what happened and then you know that's in their picture or someone would say I just bought a new house my you know I can never grow anything in this in this backyard garden what's wrong with the soil you know is the soil too red or yellow or whatever the case is and people sometimes need advice so you know for people then maybe who are not sure about their soil compositions and want to go into compost and maybe just do the two or mix the two in there in their private spaces how can they preserve compost how can they ensure that you know they can grow healthy food for that for their for their own individual or family consumption sure it's it's a lot of questions in in one in term I'll try to give you lots of answers as well composting and using compost is just one way of adding organic matter in the soil adding plant matter back into the soil because you need to feed the microbes and the soil life that's inside the soil you don't necessarily only have to use compost you don't have to buy compost if you don't have it but if you've got leaves or grass or weeds um you can you can use that all all of those are organic matter that you can put back in the soil something else in terms of crops dying and using companion planting or making use of a system or method called companion planting is also beneficial companion planting means that you plant certain plants next to each other the one is the natural repellent of pests of the other so it means that they that attract certain insects that will that are predators of pests and it also means some some plants actually secrete stuff in the roots that actually help manage soil health so companion planting is planting different plants together that are beneficial for the other one's growth or protection so composting is one aspect of of farming or soil health but there's also other aspects such as using mulch mulch is a layer of organic matter whether it's old leaves or grass or cuttings or whatever so using that on top of the soil to prevent weed growth that is for example that's another way of of preventing moisture loss and preventing weed growth using a mulch and and then companion planting as I've mentioned it also attracts insects that's important to reduce your insecticide input and what are the are there's so many questions in one but composting you don't need and composting is not always practical or viable in terms of cost for you sure of a huge part yes on commercial scale ah thank you before I move on to the next question I just want to encourage any of you watching at home this evening we are joined by Marinda Lowe who's an agrijournalist slash photographer and I suppose entrepreneur in the composting space or agripreneur should I say and today we're talking about alternative farming methods and earlier on if you missed some critical points that you mentioned is that she highlighted a few of examples of what alternative farming methods are so if you missed the first part of the show you could definitely catch it on our YouTube channel but please comment ask any questions that you have to Marinda let you want her to clarify specifically on farming sustainably on alternative farming methods conventional farming or organic compost yeah this show is for you Marinda I just want to find out um uh with your uh now I'm just thinking with the farmer's head yeah with the composting business and for people that are listening to you and maybe would want to try being in the composting industry or start their own compost business um and you mentioned the word organic uh in some examples that you explained is every single compost in the composting business it is it is it 100 organic so when you're going into the business do you have to be certified organic because I know to be organically certified requires some um someone to go through uh what a certification process of some sort I think we need to distinguish between organic farming and sustainable farming organic farming is um it's when when you go through a certification process to get a label that you put in your product that gets sold as organic and organic product in a retailer so the retailer might have some standards and they might be organic body that might have standards and then your product is certified organic so it's uh to farm organically more linked to a certification system um to farm sustainably is to look after the resources that you put in whether it's um looking at the chemical inputs it's not necessarily an organic that you're not allowed to use sprays or insecticides or weed killers or so but it's the sustainable use of all your inputs um something else I just want to mention we focusing on on organic farming and and composting and soil based but um we alternative farming systems could also involve farming in and with water and that that is aquaculture which means your plant is is physically in that in a liquid medium it's physically hanging in water so the the roots are suspended in in the water um but um and aquaponics is um aquaculture actually sorry I'm wrong way other way around is that you you farm um you farm fish or you farm crustacea or corals or something so it's it's water animals water plants that's being um it's being farmed or often in combination with plants so that the nutrient rich water of fish let's say use that example is then fed through two herbs and other plants um which then purify the water and use the nutrients and then the purified water filtered back to the the animals the the fish so it's a closed loop system not always closed loop but it's it's a water based system so alternative farming systems could entail farming on land but it can also entail farming with or in water wow so moving on to something else I think maybe could also that could also come much closer to home for our audience this evening is that also you have like a non-conventional career right it's not a traditional line that one would pick up based on the skill set that you have like photography and you started writing first and then you moved into journalism etc what are what are some of the non-farming opportunities that exist in the agricultural sector um you know based on your experience and looking at how your career has also turned excellent question um in terms of photography what is interesting when I was researching uh uh writing articles for southafrica.co.za I wrote about farming and and agricultural commodities in south africa and that was translated into all 11 south african languages it was a huge project but the absence of good photos of south african farmers and south african products and south african commodities that I realized is also a huge opportunity that there's not a lot of images available you know of of um trapped cages you know we're trapped being bred and things like millet in south africa you know in terms of non-agricultural opportunities in within the agricultural sector um sure there's a lot I'm thinking of venues you know if you waiting venues training venues if you want to train farm workers you know how to prune how to how to trim the hooves of your goats you know that kind of training venues I'm thinking of restaurants coffee shops farm stores something else that's probably non non-farming but definitely related to agricultural commodities is processing I mean if you've got a huge tomato farmer and your market is satisfied with or saturated with tomatoes and you're sitting with tomatoes then preserving those products is a secondary industry whether you jam it dry it sprinkle it um you know they you know further processing of agricultural products um certainly agritourism is is huge and I think that that's also in terms of people wanting to buy property I think that could also be an option to look at is is how can I use this property also not only to farm but as a destination probably a tourism destination it could be people wanting to take part and see what happens on the working farm but it might also be people wanting to escape the city and just experience fresh farm air so there's so many aspects of of agriculture that doesn't not that doesn't necessarily involve getting your hands dirty um yeah but and and then involving into into other value added products and and and offerings that's related to a farm yeah I like that example that you brought in with your photography that you know you you found a gap pretty much um where you can't just yeah I can attest to the fact that there aren't so many pictures of South African farms farmers or farming you know the ones that you do find online are always just mostly repetitive or it's a hand holding a cell phone um or when you're talking about farming it's just attracting the field but you could see that these destinations are non-African destinations and also non-South African and so um with your photography um what did that entail were you just taking photos around different farms were you traveling and finding very beautiful destinations that exist within the sub uh in in South Africa uh and taking pictures of that so infusing it with a bit of tourism and farming um what type of pictures did you send and where did they land up um it's it's interesting what kind of what kind of photos get sold but also what kind of photos are people commenting on and what people want to see is is for example um one one series of articles I wrote was how to clip the moves of your goat and why it's important to trim the hooves of a goat but no one no one understand or not many people understand how important it is for a goat to have the hooves regularly clip because he needs to it needs to walk far and and trade very securely to get to where he wants to go it's a climbing animal so I took photos of someone trimming you know cutting step by step the hooves of a goat certainly not a glamorous wasn't a glamorous day but it was fantastic um and then another one for example was blueberry farming is how people how blueberries are grown that it grows in in peat it's a very uh it's imported uh they grow in pots they don't grow in soil and the nutrient goes through the water and dripper systems into into the the individual buckets or pots and then the different varieties how it's been picked um how it's been packaged um and also just being outside eating directly from from the plant and chatting to people while they working it a fantastic experience so I think there's a there's a we don't see enough of farmers and real life farmers and what they do and the good stories you know that might be simple stories it might be spectacular stories but um the stories of people farming and um there's so many different ways of doing things and alternative ways of doing things and we can learn so much from each other oh wow I think just to sum up our conversation today we spoke about some non-farm opportunities um and also earlier on in our conversation you mentioned um different or various alternative farming systems or methods uh for anybody listening this evening and is also maybe thinking of alternative farming systems specifically in the South African context what opportunities are available for a new entrant wanting to come into the agriculture industry to specifically form what uh alternative farming systems are available within the South African context that someone can take uh um take advantage of sure that's a good question um I think if you're a non-farmer and you need to decide on on you want to farm what do you want to farm that will determine what the market wants you're not going to farm something that you won't get sold so determine determining what the market wants if there's a huge market for organic apples and you sitting in an area where there's organic you know where it's suitable for growing fruit um and you've got bridging capital for five six years until your apples become viable then then that's something you need to consider so you look at the environment you look at your soil type you look at where your farm is situated you also look at what the market wants um and then that will determine what kind of crop or livestock or what farming system you're going to use if you want to farm cucumbers but the area is probably not viable then you need to think of an alternative farming system and then think probably on tunnels you know using tunnels farming cucumbers in tunnels um so I think it there's a lot of parameters that one needs to look at when you when you want to want to enter the farming but it's certainly you want to farm something that you want to sell at the end of the day and then therefore you need to be close to a market you need to be able to provide the right product um to the market but you also need to look at your soil type what kind of soil what kind of quality of water and do you have enough water and then work around your resources that you have available and make sure that you utilize them sustainably awesome thank you so much so um without um you know wasting too much of your time just for anybody also that's interested and wants to know you know where you're writing your articles etc what are some of the publications where you're writing about alternative farming methods do you have a blog or where can we find some of your information cool thank you um I wrote quite a few articles on uh for a company called South Africa dot co dot z a um articles range from quinoa farming prawn uh goat farming medicinal plants indigenous fruits indigenous vegetables um goodness I can't even remember what I wrote about guava farming fig farming I don't know there's so many I was part of a agricultural team and all those articles are translated into all 11 South African languages the company's called South Africa dot co dot z a day and um under each article there would be a choice of languages so you click on the language and you read the article in the language of your choice wow thank you so much Miranda for your time this evening I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and I'm sure that our guests uh did sorry our audience uh did too I've just got two comments to read for you that said um from Lisa Tava saying thanks for letting us know about the latest in farming and uh Zamila just saying greetings family um I'm sure they're watching the private property podcast uh right now and our conversation so thank you Miranda for your insights and for um obviously sharing the information about where you uh have those alternative farming articles that we could catch up on great stuff thank you Mbali I had fun thanks for your time awesome thank you if you missed tonight's episode you'll catch it on our YouTube channel on private property under the farming podcast playlist today we're joined by Miranda Lowe um who is an agri journalist and a photographer and also um uh an agri premier I'd like to say um who had her own composting business and but most importantly the cracks of our conversation today was about alternative farming systems the different methods in which you could begin farming thinking about your natural resources things like climate change being able to still produce but really farming more sustainably in this environment in the environment that is um that you're faced in or that specifically speaks to what type of commodity you want to farm and so yeah that was our show this evening on alternative farming methods but um thank you again for your comments and for engaging with us it's always nice to know that you are watching and to send a little shout out to um to myself or the guests thank you so much for your support that's it from me tonight and I bid you farewell for this evening take care see you soon thanks Mbali


Hi, my name is Xiaoying. I'm the Senior Program Manager for Azure DevTest Labs, the commercial Azure service that helps developers and testers to quickly create environments while minimizing waste and controlling cost. In this video, I'm going to show you all the key features we've shipped since the Connect conference last November. Before I jump there, in case you haven't heard about DevTest Labs, please allow me spend a couple of minutes explaining what it is. DevTest Labs aims at solving the real problem in DevTest scenario. DevTest investments are usually significant. When we talk to most traditional IT organizations, we realize that up to 50 percent of their infrastructure spending is happening on non-production environments. Furthermore, neither IT nor developers are very happy about their provisioning experience. 65 percent of developers say that it's too complicated and time-consuming. 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And it's interesting about the way that you're talking about tone because I think quite often a lot of autistic people, because we have a lot of experiences where we don't understand I guess exactly what where the tone is coming from, but we do notice that something's different. And one of the things that just from going up and going through experiences, like any change in tone that isn't just overly, like if someone's just talking overly positive and then there is a change in tone, like I just assume that something bad's really happened or like my stomach drops with me.  You start dissociating a little bit, you're like, what's going on?  I'm always asking if they don't give you a reasonable explanation for it. And they don't explain it or they're just saying like, oh, it's fine. It makes it worse. And you're like, well, something's happening. I don't know what it is. You're not telling me. So like, please do. Please do. I'm really happy to hear you saying this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because it's just that's exactly what happens to me. So and this is the first time I've ever really spoken with someone like this who has autism as well. So you just explaining that to me and the people listening. Hopefully it helps them as well. But that's exactly what happens to me too. So it's cool to hear somebody else for the first time really kind of say that in a conversation. And that happens with my wife at home all the time. Sometimes it causes problems. And it's like not even really her fault, right? Because we'll just be having a conversation and then her tone or her voice will change very slightly. Yeah, just something slight. And then literally I have that panic and I'm like, what's wrong? And she's like, nothing. And I'm like, but your tone changed, but nothing, nothing's wrong. And then I'm still I'm doing your sound like, well, something's wrong because that wasn't normal. That's not how it usually sounds like, you know, because I still like I don't know what any of it means. And my brain understands like the rhythm and the pattern of it. So if the rhythm or pattern is off, even in just a slight amount, whether it's the body language, like you said, or the tone or the cadence in which someone's speaking, then it trips everything off. And there could be completely no reason other than maybe they needed to take another breath or they needed to think about a word before they spoke it. And they added a different thought about something and they were like, oh, that doesn't sound good. Like just a random four or like, you know, maybe they're thinking about work tomorrow or like, but because they don't always express it directly, it's like, it's a lot.  It's almost like being at you are like this kind of being sensitive, but it's not like in like a needy way. I guess it's like, you know, I need to know what's going on. So I'm safe and I know how to behave. Yeah. Yeah, that's really what happened. What it is for me like, I need to know how to act. I need to know how to act. I need to know what to expect so I can react. Sure. Sure.


From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage of VMworld 2020, brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Hello, and welcome back to theCUBE, virtual 2020 coverage of VMworld 2020 virtual. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. Joining me with Dave Vellante. We've got a great guest, Carol Carpenter, who's the chief marketing officer of VMware. CUBE alumni, move from Google Cloud to VMware. Carol, great to see you, and thanks for coming on theCUBE for VMworld 2020 virtual coverage. Thank you. Yeah, thank you both for having me here. Delighted to be here. So we've talked to you many times before, but you're very in the cloud native space. You know the market pretty well. I got to ask you, what attracted you to come to VMware? What was the reason? Now you're heading up marketing for VMware. What was the driving force? Well, a few things. Number one, I've always had a passion for this space. I love the cloud. I was involved in an early stage company prior to Google Cloud that really had the promise of helping people get enterprises, get to the cloud faster. And when I look around and I look at which companies are shaping the future of technology, VMware is certainly one of those companies. Second reason goes without saying the people and the culture, incredible leadership and empowerment all throughout VMware. And it's quite exceptional. And the third is I really think customers are on a really tough journey. And having been at a hyperscaler, having worked at places where, you know, companies are in a more traditional legacy environment, it made me realize like this is a tough journey. And I think VMware is uniquely positioned to help enterprises with what is a complex journey. And it's a multi-cloud world. I'm sure you know that our customers know it. And how do you make all these disparate systems and tools work together to deliver the business results? I believe VMware is uniquely positioned to deliver. It's interesting. VMware is going to a whole other level. We've been commenting on our analysis segments around the business performance, obviously. And the moves they've made over the years, this is our 11th VMworld. Cube started 10 years, 11 years ago. We've been seeing the moves. So great technology moves, product moves, business performance, the relationship with the clouds is all in place, but then COVID hits, okay? And then all that gets accelerated even further because you've got companies that have to use this downtime to remodernize and some people get a tailwind with modern application opportunities. So it's interesting time to be on this trajectory with VMware and the clouds. What's your thoughts? Because you joined right in the middle of all this. And you're in eye of the storm. What's your view on this? Because this is a forcing function for companies to not only accelerate the transformation, but to move faster. Yeah, for sure. You know, it's been an incredibly challenging time, I think, for everyone. And I hope everyone who's watching and listening is safe. That, you know, we talk about decades of progress being made in two weeks. And I guess that's the silver lining if there is one, which is this ultimate work remote work from home that we've enabled and the work anywhere. It's been completely liberating in so many ways. You know, it's an area where I look at, there's how do we lead our teams and how do we maintain relationships with customers, which obviously requires a different type of interaction, a different type of outreach. And then there's what are the solutions at scale? And, you know, I'm pleased to say, like there were absolute big lifts in certain areas of our business, particularly around, you know, remote work and our digital workspace solutions, you know, really enabling companies to get thousands of workers up and running quickly, that combined with our security solutions and our SD-WAN solution to really enable all of these remote homes to become thousands of remote offices. So there's all of that, which is incredibly positive.   I miss being able to just see people and give people a hug now and then when you want to. I mean, VMware, Carol, it's amazing company. You mentioned the culture before. It really started as a workstation virtualization company, right? And then so many challenges, you know, end user computing, you guys do an acquisition, bringing Sanjay Poonan, all of a sudden you're the leader there. Cloud, you know, fumbled a little bit, but now all of a sudden the cloud strategy kicking in all cylinders. We see that, you know, growing like crazy. The networking piece, the storage piece. You mentioned security, which is an amazing opportunity.  Well, guess what? We're embracing them. It seems like culturally, VMware just has this attitude of if there's a wave, you know, we're going to ride it, we're going to embrace it and figure out how to deliver value to our customers. What's your thinking on that? Yeah, I mean, it's such an, VMware is such an innovative company and that is another reason that attracted me. Invisibility to look at what customers need. Like this is an incredibly, we are an incredibly customer-centric company listening to customers, understanding their needs and providing a bridge to where they need to go while also providing them the resiliency and needs they have today. That is what thrills me. And I think we have such an incredible opportunity to continue to drive that future innovation while also being that bridge. I have to tell you, you know, I've known VMware for a long time and what appealed to me is this broader portfolio and this opportunity to actually tell a broader business value story, to be able to actually tell that story about not just digital transformation, but business transformation. So that's what, that's the journey we're on and it's happening, it's real.  And I feel that my job and the marketing team's job is, I tell them, like, they're all these diamonds in the backyard.  And it's our job to go and, you know, dust them off and tell the story to help customers and prospects understand the value we can bring. That's a super good- So how should we be thinking, how should we be thinking about that, that business value transformation, business transformation? You know, you certainly, when you think of an applications company, you can easily connect the dots, but how should we be thinking about VMware and that value chain? Are you an enabler for that transformation? Can you provide some color there? Yeah, let me give you some specific examples. Like, look at, so the addition of Tanzu to the portfolio is what enables us to have these discussions that let's face it. The only reason people need or want infrastructure is because they want to deploy an application. They want to write an application. They want to move an application. And Tanzu, which is our container-based, Kubernetes-based orchestration solution and lots more to it. That's how it is in simple terms. That gives us this ability to work with companies, lines of business as well as developers around real business transformations. So two quick examples. One, I can't say the name quite yet, but I think very large pharmaceutical company who wants to launch and have a mobile app to help patients, people who are taking COVID-19 tests, get the results, understand their results, ask questions about their results and have one place to go. That's really powerful. And to be able to develop an app that is scale, you know, built for scale, built for enterprise, built to be resilient when patients are trying to get information in four weeks. I mean, that's pretty, that's quite incredible. Another example is, you know, very large e-commerce company that, you know, you mentioned COVID and some of the challenges. You know, retail has certainly been kind of a tale of two cities, right? Some companies with lots of lift and others with real struggle in the physical world. But anyway, large retailer who had to, within weeks, flip to curbside pickup, being able to look, customers being able to look at inventory on demand. Those kinds of capabilities required a wholesale rewrite of many of their e-commerce applications. Again, that's a place where we can go in and we can talk to them about that. And by the way, as you know, the challenge is it's one thing to write and deploy an app. And then it's another to actually run it at scale, which then requires the networking scalability and flexibility. It requires the virtual storage. It requires all the other elements that we bring to the table. So I think that's kind of the landing spot, but it's not the ending spot when we talk to customers. Carol, talk about the challenge of VMworld 2020 this year. It's not in person. It's an industry event. It's been one every year. It's a place where there's deep community, deep technical demos, deep discussions, a lot of face-to-face hallway conversations. That's not happening. It's virtual. You came right in the middle of all this. You guys pulled it together, got keynote sessions, and thanks for including theCUBE. We really appreciate that as well. But you have all this content. How did you handle that and how's that going? And share some color on what it took to pull it off and what's your expectation? Yeah, so, yes, VMworld is considered the gold standard when it comes to industry events. I mean, from the outside in, this is the canonical IT event. And so I feel really honored that this franchise is now in my hands and I have an incredible team of people who obviously have been working on it from prior to my joining. So I just feel honored to be part of it. This is going to be the world's largest VMworld. And on the one hand, miss the energy in the room, miss seeing people, everything you talked about, the serendipitous interactions at the food line or coffee bar, but going virtual has so many benefits. Some of the things we were talking about earlier, the ability to reach many, many more people. This event is going to be five to six times larger than our physical event. And that's not even including the VMworld that we're running in Asia, in China. And the other thing that makes me super happy is that over 65% of our registrants and the attendees here are actually first-time VMworld attendees. So this ability to broaden our tent and make it easier.  So by going virtual, we actually have expanded our audience tremendously. The other thing I am really excited about is we have 800 plus content sessions. We are following the sun. We have live Q&A after every session. We have really the best mobile app for any events. So I encourage you to take a look at that, which does enable the chat, the interaction, as well as pathfunding through the many channels we have of content. It's, look, we're learning and I'd love to follow up with you later to hear what you've learned, because I know you've also been doing a lot virtually. I think the world is going to move to something that's more hybrid, some combination of virtual and small group, you know, in-person, some local events of some sort. But this one I'm super excited about. We really have seen high engagement and I just think, well, I look forward to hearing everyone's feedback. But I think one of the things that we've been hearing is that I can now go to the VM world. I can participate. Now virtually it's kind of, I would call first generation. It reminds me of the web early days, but you're right. I think it's going to open up the eyes to a bigger community access, a bigger pool of data, bigger pool of interactions and community. And when they do come back face to face, people will be able to fly and meet people they met online. So we think this is going to be a real trend where it's like the ROI of this virtual space is tremendous. You can do demos, you can serve yourselves, you can consume a demo, but then meet people face to face. And by the way, we have, you know, a tremendous number of fun activities. Hopefully you've taken part in some of them. Everything from puppy therapy to magic shows to yoga to, you know, John Legend performing. So I agree. I think the level of personalization and ability to self-serve is going to be out of this world. So yeah, this is the best for your event. Just some key things that we can share with the audience. Cloud City has over 60 solution demos. There's a VM world challenge. That's fun. There's also an ask the expert section where you got Joe Beda and Ragu and other luminaries there to ask the questions. That's the top talent in the company, all online and it was course and you get the CTO innovation keynote with Greg Lavender.  That's amazing. It's awesome. Congratulations. Well, good for to see what the data looks like after. So what's the storyline for you? If you had to summarize out the VM world 2020 this year, what's coming out from the data? What are you hearing as the key themes? I see the tagline, you know, what possible together digital foundation, unpredictable world, but what are you hearing in the virtual hallways? Well, a few things, but I'd say the top takeaway is that VM where has spread its wings, has embraced more of the different IT audiences and is driving business transformation for companies in new and pretty unique ways. Yeah. And then obviously like slew of announcements, new partnerships, new capabilities, everything around multi-cloud. We have, as you know, every single cloud provider as a partner on the security front, intrinsic security built in throughout the entire stack. The other part that I think is super exciting are these partnerships we're announcing. Everything from what we're doing with NVIDIA to make AI more accessible for enterprises in production to what we're doing around SASE, Secure Access Service Edge, being able to provide a holistic, secure distributed environment so that every worker, no matter where they are, every endpoint, every remote office can be fully secured. You know, in VMware is the gold standard of the ecosystem. And VMworld, of course, they're all on the showcase and it was hard fought. I mean, it took a long time to get there and you know the challenges of building that. And now you mentioned NVIDIA, you see all these new tailwinds coming in and I've seen companies launch at VMworld.  Thank you, Dave. Yeah, we're super excited. And I should say that, like the partner and the ecosystem here is unparalleled and our challenge is how do we provide, and you know this, like how do we provide the strategic vision and that practitioner level content? So we're gonna, you know, that's what we're committed to is making sure that our practitioners get everything they need in every area of expertise as well as making sure we're conveying our business story. Carol, thanks so much for coming on. I really appreciate the insight. One final question for you. As we get through this crisis, soon hybrid comes back for events, certainly, but as the CMO, the next-gen story, you now have a chief customer officer. We interviewed him as well. VMworld's going to the next level. What's your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? And you got a lot of things going on, certainly a big story to tell, a lot of ingredients to kind of cook a great story here. What's your goals at CMO for the next year? You know, my goal is to help drive the business transformation. And you've heard it from Sumit, you've heard it from others at this point, but really, you know, the company is going, we are going through a dramatic transformation from being, you know, a license on-prem company to being a multi-cloud, modern SaaS company. So my goal is to support that, and that means modernizing the way we do marketing, which, you know, you say, well, what does that mean? It means customer focus, customer lifecycle marketing. It means agility, being able to actually use data to drive how we interact with customers and users so that they have those great experiences and they continue to use the product and drive adoption and growth. And the other part of it is B2B marketing, as you may or may not have noticed, is incredibly boring and dull. And I know I'm guilty of this too. We get caught up in a lot of the jargon and the language, and I am on a mission that we are going to do great B2B marketing that helps customers understand what we do and where we express the value simply, clearly, and in a differentiated way. That's awesome. Why should the consumer guys have all the fun, right? Right. Well, and that's part of being, by the way, a SaaS or subscription company, is everything we do needs to be consumer simple, at scale and with the security and the reliability of what an enterprise means. Well, I got to tell you that the irony of all this virtualization of the world with COVID, virtual events, I think one of the big surprises we're going to be looking back at is, how much it's opened up to more audiences and new ways of modernizing and taking advantage of that, certainly with content and community, you guys are well positioned. Congratulations for a great event. Thank you for coming on and sharing your insights. And we'll keep in touch. We'll try to make it exciting. It's theCUBE. Thank you, Carol. Appreciate it. Thank you, awesome. Thank you, Dave. Thank you, John. I'm John Furrier, Dave Vellante. Cube coverage of VMworld 2020 Virtual. This is the virtual cube. We have now virtual sets everywhere all around the world. It's global. Thanks for watching.


This show is brought to you by these happy patrons Hey, there you beautiful people welcome to the BNPR show an epic celebration of stylized rendering The highlights for today's show first pixel perfect textures for pixel art Second the full water cycle clouds rain lakes and waterfalls. Don't go chasing those And third we announced the winner of the e-book giveaway huge show. Let's get started To the news So we have two free resources We want you to know about the first is a procedural water texture set by at kevison The download consists of six water shaders running in Eevee The second download is on BNPR orgs download page this time. We have a two-day rain shader by aquapolo Both of these downloads will auto animate just press play The next piece of news is from at d data Dan 3 You may have seen flat pupils and sphere pupils But have you seen concave ones go ogle this one because concave pupils kind of make more sense Now the grease pencil can have holes in fills This is done with the holdout option on the grease pencil material You might have to get a custom blender build to get this feature however, but this will be useful Oh Tutorials Okay, this one is pixel perfect texture art by Mort Mort This video goes in-depth for pixel perfect workflow and common pitfalls The tutorial covers how to model for pixel art how to UV unwrap the models and how to texture the models There's some new information that you have to pay attention to Number one set the grid subdivisions to 16 to help you get that power of two texture usually used by pixel art The scale is set to zero point six two five Also set the unit to none To the material is a shadeless texture with an emission shader Three UV unwrap the mesh to snap as close as possible to the pixel grid and there are a few tools to do that You'll have to watch the video to get into that Four for painting you can do it inside blender or use external software for pixel art like aspirate If you do do it inside a blender the brush falloff should be squared set bleed to zero as well The video also demoed how to handle texture painting for round objects, which don't fit the pixel grid So be sure to watch that part as well Pencil look by Tony Mortino This tutorial is not entirely shading geometry is important here, too The important elements to the pencil look are as follows One a hatching shader with various levels of threshold including shadow and vertex color to control where the lines appear To the inner lines are UV'd into place much like the techniques used in guilty gear XR Three two inverted holes one for the outline and the other one for the texture displacement for particle geometry strokes on the surface of the mesh And the end result is perfect when rendered as a still image Watercolor material by Diego gangl The result of this tutorial is of high quality for watercolor Here are a few of the building blocks One the paper texture in the world material set the paper texture to window coordinates Make the paper texture a node group for later use Also isolate the world color from everything using is camera ray Two the general non-light shading Add the generated vector to the window texture coordinate for noise textures Lower the noise amount with a multiplier Add normal vector to get the shape of the object and all those pipe into the franal node Three the color edges use two color ramps to find the edges Finally assemble everything Add the lighting information from a diffuse and combine with the noise from before Then multiply the paper texture with the franal output Then color every stage of the shader With a bit more tweaking this will look very watercolor-ish Small note some watercolor can be photorealistic Grease pencil face rig part four by level pixel level This is an advanced tutorial a few key points are One head rotation is driven by keyframe using the time offset modifier of a grease pencil animation Two eye shape is controlled by a driven lattice from a cast modifier link to an empty And three this tutorial also showcases the updated grease pencil masking in blender So give it a look you may just pick up a few things you can use from it Stylized low poly character workflow by novel studios This showcases the whole workflow and his preferences to create a low poly stylized character the video covers a lot of things It's nice to see the whole process in an 11 minute video instead of the whole video series Which could take many hours to finish mapping shading by epic night studios This tutorial shows how to bake normals to aid shading Why would one do that isn't editing vertex normals enough? The problem happens when the mesh deforms when the mesh deforms the direction of the vertex normals also change the shading breaks So there are a few methods to reach the same results, but that is for another tutorial procedural stylized grass by Mauricio Haverly This is a simple setup using particle hair The key point is using the noise texture mixed with wave textures Then use a turbulence force to animate them Stylized grass with shadow by lance barrel This is a breakthrough in stylized particle grass shadows Previously we only had shadeless grass The particle grass setup is similar to Mauricio's in the earlier tutorial except these One the grass material is set to object texture coordinates Two the grass blades must be an object Three transfer normal data from the ground plane to the 3d grass blade Don't forget to enable autosmooth on the grass mesh Four turn off the shadow in the grass material Five rotate the grass object in the object mode to get it working The logic is to get the grass particle to only receive shadows from the emitter plane and not from itself And we heard that beer will make this super simple Stylized animated rain by southern shoddy This 2d rain uses a painted rain texture on a transparent background That means you have to mix the emission shader with the transparent shader To isolate the rain color from the influence of the environment shading Is camera ray is used as a factor on a mix node For the rain animation animate the position mapping and set it to cyclic Then place the rain object on multiple planes to get the feel right This is another method to make stylized rain It is simpler compared to the one done by aquapollo as seen earlier And here is a chain of tutorials by Christophe de Dain a great contributor to the npr community The first tutorial is stylized waterfall The elements of the waterfall are One river flow ripple This is made from a veronite texture with a color ramp as the threshold Two edge ripple This is the same veronite texture with a color ramp with an addition of a spherical gradient as a mask Three water splashes This is a sphere object with a displaced modifier and a veronite texture as the displacement map An empty is used to animate it The material is a shadeless veronite texture Four wave ripple This is a ring wave texture with a spherical mass gradient Then add a bit of distortion in the rings Finally color all the color ramps and add transparency and the waterfall is ready for animation The second tutorial is water caustic and sparkle effect. This is the surface ripple of water The building elements are one 2d still water ripple This is a 2d f1 veronite texture subtracting a 2d smooth f1 veronite texture Two 3d moving water ripple This is made from a 3d f1 veronite texture subtracting a 3d smooth f1 veronite texture Three water distortion This is made from two musgrave textures with a different scale inserted into the y direction of the veronite texture mapping node Four transparent water surface Like his other videos invert the ripple texture then mix the emission shader with the transparent shader Five the bottom layer caustic First add a river bottom texture then blend it with the ripple using a soft light blend node Six sparkle To add sparkles add a texture map to the window coordinates with an alpha mask then animate the sparkles And just like that you can make lakes slow streams and ponds The third tutorial by christoph is the ocean shader This is for huge ocean scenes and relatively easy to make The building elements here are one the ripple glow reflection aka the stipples since they are small This is made from a veronite texture scaled to tiny circles A gradient sphere is used as the mask then mixed with the node texture to add variation to the stipple Two smooth gradient This is done using a linear gradient with a color ramp mixed with the noise texture to add variation Three reflection you need a bump map with a noise texture driving the normal The reflections are controlled by the specular in the principled bsdf To be able to see the reflection turn on screen space reflections in the render settings in ev The fourth tutorial by christoph is the simple 2d clouds Clouds are made from a huge plane mesh A 3d noise texture with a color ramp threshold is used then setup transparency The cloud shading is the position offset of the same noise setup piped into an emission shader Then a color ramp provides the colors And the fifth tutorial by christoph is a more advanced cloud inspired by gibli And here are the building elements One the general shape of the cloud Use a quadratic sphere gradient with an object texture mapping Then add a vector curve to get the rough shape of the cloud Use a veronite texture for the cloud details Then duplicate the veronite with bigger sizes to get different levels of detail Two refining the cloud shape Link the gradient mapping from the first part to all the vector inputs of the three veronite textures This will shape the cloud much better and provide a depth perspective Three cloud distortion is done using a noise texture on the scale of the mapping nodes Four cloud shading for shading the bottom of the cloud multiply a sphere mask on it Distort the shadow using a noise texture like before Five adding 3d volume use another gradient texture on the overall of the cloud to shape the cloud to look more 3d Six the highlight of the cloud is put at the end of the shading portion using a color ramp Finally to randomize the cloud use the location of the object in the mapping node of the veronite textures And you have painterly clouds Also go watch lightning boy studios cloud tutorial. They pretty much use the same techniques There's a lot to digest in this huge set of tutorials. Be sure to hit the show notes to find them all Now to taste some beer updates Since the last show malt the back end of beer has improved a lot We have the jump flood algorithm for line art. This makes drawing very thick lines over 10 pixel thick lines super fast We also have a more advanced line shader This is more of a brute force version and the quality is really good You can control the depth threshold normal threshold and line thickness Lines detected from depth and normal can have independent thicknesses You can also change the line thickness of the object boundary. This is much like external contour line type in freestyle To get that line thickness fading with the distance. We have a world space line thickness Next beer now has shadows for point and sun lamps You can control the quality of the shadows via the scene tab malt setting You can change the quality of the shadow with shadow cascades distribution exponents and sample grid size We also have the franal function in malt which means we can make rim lights We have the rim light angle to control the angle of the rim light and the rim thickness for the thickness The rim length for the coverage of the rim light along the rim and rim fall off to make the rim light solid or smooth Miguel also changed glm 3d math library to pyrr to fix a crashing problem on some of the GPUs Since this show is assembled a week earlier than the release date We're sure there may be some new enhancements made to malt So what are you waiting for go get the latest version? Okay, now the ebook giveaway winner A few weeks ago we initiated a book giveaway to our soul-stirring digital color mastery ebook Today we're announcing the winner and that winner is Tenro Blitz Congrats, please get in contact with us to claim the ebook For those of you who did not win you can find out what the ebook is about on this colorful page And how it can enhance your nvr journey And now feast your eyeballs on these artworks A small robin by Paula Lucas. This has simple solid colors There are two accented colors among desaturated colors And one more which is the white color of the bird's chest The texture speaks a certain language Simple floating mesh to indicate the feathers Since the colors are so nicely planned no outline is needed the snappy animation makes the bird feel so alive And presenting dreaming pupa on a dying planet trailer by negatoro 9 Not much to say just watch So there we have it a huge show of npr greatness Don't forget to visit the show notes And this show is brought to you by these awesome people. Please thank them kindly But before we go one last question Have you seen any npr snow tutorials?