Boom, howdy fam Anthony Johnson here today founder 21 studios co-founder of the red man group 21 convention 22 convention 20th University and everything else in the manisphere right? Married today with the Socrates to my right your left and we got a bunch of other guests coming on the show It's episode 151. We're gonna be taking a look and talking about discussing the amazing at 21 summit 2021 15 year anniversary event that just got done a couple days ago hit right here in Orlando, Florida The center and the Woodstock of the manisphere So without further ado welcome to the show. Mr. Ken Curry Returning panels to the show marriage and family therapists out of Colorado Will Spencer from the Renaissance of men podcast and project shall we say and Steve the Dean Williams from the man mindset returning obvious panelists to the show and jay Vincent Personal trainer and hit trainer and returning panels to the show. We met a few more hop on today as well Boys welcome to the red man group episode 151 Thanks for having us. Thanks for me As my audio still coming through good to everything's clear sound great All right, it was a good time last weekend. That's it for today's show. See you guys next So guys I want to use this episode to kind of you know get out our thoughts about the event review it discuss it There's a lot that happened like we were talking about you know pregame before we got live here For me it was like a week full of just non-stop, you know action-packed fun and Decision-making and running around loading unloading that the equipment and then of course running the event and managing you wild animals You rascals bunch of rascals are I was extra one Yeah, let's start actually with soccer teams. He's here with me in person Socca you've seen the event longer than anyone except me. Yeah, literally You've seen it even before pre announcement back in 2006 Really old really old old old school Yeah before I had all this and there was a gray hair in my head right So talk to me about what you thought about this event compared to all the other ones you've seen which is a lot You've seen probably like 10 or something like that now Yeah, I want to say this is the last number of times 11th. I think I've spoken at you know, which is really remarkable But did we honest the each each convention has its own identity? Obviously with the context within time and in culture. I think it influences it a lot But this particular time we actually had the three conferences all simultaneously and I think you know last year was the first time We attempted that you know, you were able to pull that off anybody can throw a conference once Not everybody can throw three simultaneously back-to-back in the middle of a pandemic. So that that in itself is worthy of a complete remark, but For being in the center of our second year of a pandemic. This was the most relaxed Anxiety free event that I've seen it has been you know one the flow of that was phenomenal a lot of the attendees Kind of understood what was going to be taking place the social meet-and-greets The volunteers were all experienced having done it before and the new ones were very very involved in Learning their roles developing and embracing that but I'll say something else too is that the Convention in the summit itself has kind of gone beyond just the manager itself and has gone into other arenas With the big focus in on those those topic areas and I see that being a transformational Approach and that very much was woven throughout the entire thread of this this summit itself. Yeah, yeah It was a I loved it man the whole experience. I want to hear some of these other guys for our comment I don't want to hog up too much Time here for myself But what do you guys have to say about the event in relation to what sock said or just kind of on your own? What are your initial thoughts for how it went down? Yeah, this is the let's say I've been to three of these so the fatherhood first fatherhood patriarch one and then 2019 and then I missed the 2021 but this one it was just a gosh it was busy It was exciting. It was in person I think the fact that it's in person and you meet a lot of people that's that's a I think you've always said this Anthony It's it's what happens in between the speeches, you know going out to lunch Later the the other events that you have it's just that was just spectacular for me to interact rub shoulders with a Different speakers the different attendees. I think meeting the new guys that hadn't been there before it was just amazing But it is so busy like for instance Jay and I we didn't ever meet I didn't get to meet you And so it's like because there's so much to do and so many to be able to meet on that in that time But just a spectacular event Yeah, Ken how did it compare to what you'd seen previously because like you said, this is your third time You had seen the fatherhood event standalone and the regular the main event standalone This is significantly different just in terms of like operation How did it contrast well operation? I mean good grief having three at the same time and and I'm reminded of that the one middle room You had in between all three stages, you know with all the tech and all the it's just like it was a machine And it ran really well and it's just amazing that we had three things going on at once But to what Socrates was saying, I think the the energy of the event Was where he said it was low anxiety It wasn't there wasn't anything there that was like, you know, there's this Anxious energy were oh my gosh, what's gonna happen or that it was just chill and it was oh My god, what what pill am I what pill am I yeah? There was the end that the energy of being able to interact with other guys. There wasn't this competitive feel to it It was just like a very abundant Energy with the whole event. Yeah, it felt like, you know, Pat Steadman was there, you know Our shockers were aligned. Oh that is Yeah, it's that guy Yeah, yeah, it was a bummer. He couldn't make it man. It was close There's just legal stuff with his court cases and whatever sure. Yeah, but I expect we'll see him in the future Yeah Well, let's just keep him on an order like a clock like the clock your clock was This is your first time speaking. I mean last year you were an attendee and this year you came back And not only is a double speaker. He spoke with two events You also did a lot more than that. You were on hosted panels. You hosted co-hosted a new show or a new and improved What was your experience like in general of the event and also compared to your 2020 first time around Mm-hmm You know, I've heard Multiple people say that the event was really low anxiety and I only have the basis of comparison of 2020 Which I didn't experience as an anxiety was more like there was just generalized social anxiety at the time The event was quite a bit smaller because people chickened out traveling and all that stuff Which was a shame, but nonetheless, I knew that I had to be there my experience that event as as Relatively chill but kind of subject to the larger social pressures that we're going election to is election was going on to them Oh, that's right. Yeah, we do. We were like weeks Yeah, we were young and innocent back then Well, I mean, I just remember being in Orlando and I remember everything being shut down like restaurants being shut down They were being pretty great the ones that were open were pretty crazy about masks It was raining the rain the whole time basically so it was like the whole, you know Environment around the conference was really was really kind of odd But the conference itself I've back in 2020 I found was and you know, really enjoyable and everyone was cool to meet and really accessible and this this year It was very much like that, but what I loved was In addition to how well the conference ran on so many different levels how aligned all the speakers were with each other How aligned all the guests were all the all the attendees But then also the relief the relaxed social pressure in Florida was also really nice. I think that really created maybe Maybe kind of a bit like an island in the storm You know for people dealing with a lot of the craziness that's going on in the world It really felt like we can come together and we can be men together and we can gain strength from each other to confront these larger social issues and And I think that really showed up in the programming of the conference itself Like I was talking to a friend last line. I said, you know, what I experienced in 2020 was a conference You know focus on a much narrow set narrower set of issues you know with with a little bit of the appearance of religion at the time so Pastor Michael Foster, right and Jesse Lee Peterson, but then this year, you know, there was it wasn't just religion. There was art and law and politics you know along with fatherhood and dating and and You know right up to documentary filmmaking and global communism and and the women's event had me I just got I got Suzanne Vanker's book and I've been reading it. It's like she's savage. Wow. Yeah, you know She lay I'm like five pages in I'm like, holy shit I can't believe anyone's reading it someone's writing this and just to encounter and you know to be able to do the 21 report and meet all the speakers Gave me a real sense of the breadth of topics that everyone was covering as well as the breadth of personalities the breadth of backgrounds and You know, I think that really that really showed through with a with a much larger event that Feels like it's really poised to make a big impact. You know, when you when you pick an event It's about a single theme, you know, it becomes specialized for a very small community But you know the subjects of men and masculinity as I'm discovering it touches on literally everything There's nothing that the subject doesn't touch on and I think that the convention is really Opening the doors to let in as many different perspectives and personalities as possible And you know, it's just it's a feeling of like we're on the cusp of something big this year And I'm really excited to see where it goes over the next couple three years Yeah, we just had the Gerber baby Michael Foster chime in here the Gerber baby all grown up. He says 21 has been trending a more and more mature direction for years, but it made a massive breakthrough this year That really needs to be underscored it really did the overton window of Observation on this is is really shifting. It's it's no longer the center of the manuscript It's it's starting to become something much bigger. Yeah. Yeah, I like the way I actually was watching Socrates how he introduced me and my speech to the men at you know The state of the man is fair and he kept mentioning the over to window I keep expanding it in part due to my abrasiveness and bombastic nature I think it's a little bit more than that though It's also like inviting you guys and having this super super super wide angle lens on masculinity and femininity and women and I love it man, and I I guess it's not always intentional It's just like what happens organically is like you pushing the limits on what we can do into an underscore specific instance that nobody else is Going to know I mean the panelists may know but that what the attendees and probably the public won't know is that for the 22 con You had a list number of speakers. It was stellar. They were excited They were engaged but the interesting enough they were able to go to some of the other events and two of them went over to the patriarch to catch Jeff Younger's talk and we're so moved by his experience what was going on in his life and for those that don't know He's fighting to prevent his pediatrician wife castrating their children not one of two twins Yeah, so she's selecting one not dead It's it's absolutely mortifying the fact that he's doing this for seven years. It's just beyond belief They were so moved not only by that presentation, but speaking to him in the halls They requested from Anthony to see if he could come and talk at the 22 Yeah, and Anthony made that happen and and Jeff was able to put together a presentation the night before and just You know knock knock it out of the park and make a connection with these women So it's it's not that you just go you can go and kind of shape it as well Yeah, and so that that was you know what they were that engaged that they're willing to speak up and say hey We want to hear from this individual as well. Yeah to contribute to our experience. I remember that conversation awesome I was very in my head. I was you know a lot going on, but I was interpreting it I was like, okay, these women are requesting more mansplaining It's kind of how I thought of it. I was like, alright, I can make that happen You know, but no, I mean socrates is right like I'm very As busy as it gets to try to keep my head on a swivel and if we need to pivot and add new people Rearrange a schedule, you know make it happen where it's possible Let's move on to Jay. Jay. This is your second time around at 21 Watching the speeches for a long time since the McGuth days back in the day You come primarily from an exercise and high intensity training perspective But also you see the the value in what we do with masculinity and for men and for women So what are your thoughts on this year versus last year your first time around last year? I think it's interesting that Socrates mentioned it was kind of lowering anxiety. I felt felt last year It was a little more intense But this year kind of felt and I left with that feeling it's funny that somebody else mentioned it but felt a little more laid-back kind of was just kind of like a bunch of guys just kind of hanging out this year and Maybe because of COVID and all that other nonsense was taking place at the time But yeah a lot more laid-back and a lot more casual this year, and it just felt smooth. It was Mm-hmm Yeah, I don't this year I don't recall seeing any masks at all like in 2020. I saw like maybe Yeah, one guy or two or very very small amount of people this year. You didn't see any like nothing So I thought that was a this is a physicality. I mean you're not required to like basically So it's still interesting to see it, you know like the little transition like that Yeah, the hotel the hotel last year They were they were giving glares to most of the men of the conference were not wearing masks Yeah, but the hotel kept glaring at us and say you need to wear a mask. We're like, okay. Yeah, sure No, yeah, it was when we left the conference area. They got bitchy in the company They told me explicitly like we don't care you rented the space, but yeah and the rest of the hotel Yeah, they're they've been alright that they've been really cool for being shown a lot of the stuff particularly last year when It was very difficult at all to hold a conference anywhere in 2020. Yeah, I was amazed that you pulled the thing off I am like well Ryan Mickler was gonna do his main event It was either a week or two later That was his first big event and he had to cancel it because even these guys from the order of man from the iron Council like wouldn't travel across the country, which you know I guess I understood but I found a little disappointing but there's Anthony charging ahead and making the car It was a big huge deal man huge deal. Yeah pulled it off in it, right? Where you'd be this year if you hadn't right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'd like a ride or die attitude and nothing will stop me So yeah, yeah always men if it's physically possible will find a way Steve you've been watching 21 go down for several years now.  You've been with the Florida events for men the main events Have you seen 21 evolved since your first experience in? spring 2019 well to me it's like for Regular guys like the comic-con. It's like for these for young men that watch all these men on on YouTube Is that gives them the the opportunity just to meet them and shake their hands and pick their brains and to be able to? Learn I mean, let's go to the 22. I mean a lot of women are probably under the impression that the 22 was all about yelling at No good or anything. No, there's a lot of education. Yeah, it's really educating women. It's not really bashing women It's educating them on how to be more feminine to be able to get a masculine man But it was a lot of it was a lot of shock But a lot of women I mean the women loved it and I mean going there and we shift around and see the attendees I think the attendees are everything man how they need the way they came in they you know I always see there's a little bit of nervousness at first when they come in because they're like wow. Oh my god. That's kinkuri. That's Jay Vincent I don't I don't know if I should if can I can I poke them? You know not poke them, but are you real? Yeah, right Reach out right right right. It's not real But then when they begin to see that it's real and like you say it's all made back when they begin to see that They then begin to loosen up and they begin to Let that guard down to really start to ask questions to help themselves grow So, I mean it's just so many layers. They mean the VIPs to meet and greet and all these things It was just like an amusement park of great knowledge and great fun, man That's what I call dream worlds welcome to dream world, baby.  We got to welcome the Gerber baby Michael Foster to to the panel here Your souls are about to be saved Yeah, man Like looking here is everything good Gerber baby. I can't what's what's the Gerber? Gerberberry baby thing it's something that's been coming to mind lately when I was growing up at the football games I played Pop Warner they would they would mess with the kids.  It's a Florida thing. Yeah, I guess it a term of enjoyment Yeah, Florida Florida people tend to be really normal people, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Yep, Florida men especially Yep. No, it was a good conference guys. It was good. I heard Jay say that was more laid back and I think I Think when you're not trying to prove yourself when you're just Really just trying to share ideas talk It really is like a convention a meeting of the minds talking about topics that brings the anxiety level down It brings the energy level down and makes it much more chill and that's We're able to have some pretty hard conversations and hard topics and And it and remain very mature. Yeah, I think that was it was good I mean I kept commenting on that throughout the whole thing how it was just so laid back and even for me And I I did a whole lot at this year's conference Yeah, and and so even with all my new responsibilities and Sessions it still felt way calmer than last year and I think that's a that's a real positive, right? That means that we're building a A Platform together where we can talk about things that matter like one of my goals and our religion religion panel is I did not want to diminish our differences I hate that where it's like where it's kind of a wussy way to do like every all basically believe the same thing No, we don't but we should be able to have a really wise Mature conversation. I think we achieved that on that panel But that that was really reflective of the entire conference and of guys that aren't trying to dunk on each other right guys that aren't like out to get each other is really Trying to talk about hard things and and we all have the same aim of helping man It wasn't about gum road classes and and books and all that sort of stuff as much as it was about What what the conference was started to do which is help help guys Yeah, I saw that the religion panel I think it did highlight Fundamentally the entire event like the best of it It was like the best of the best of the best and I see it I really like what you put it like you guys are more than a bunch of wussies trying to downplay your differences What you were trying to do from my perspective and I was the one panel I watched the whole thing I did watch a lot of the panels more than the speeches But that one I watched I think every minute of it and I think you guys are basically forging Bridges between each other like you're forging You were identifying then solidifying shared common values fundamental values and that's where the cobaligerant I think thing highlights or comes into play Yes, so it's like you didn't downplay these differences But then you found the bridges and you're like let's build that bridge a lot more We're gonna build back better the bridge Anthony twisting all those slogans It's like the patriarchy they they broke it and they smashed it so we got to build back better You know I love it. I love it. No support build back to Anthony better. Oh, Anthony one of the things I love about what Michael's talking about is the is that we all have differences and But we're all in this conversation and we all want to empower men We all want to build the really strong world and I think of the but we have differences and the thing that's so spectacularly important about The conversations that we're having is even though we have differences We're able to have a good relationship and respect each other and I think that's rare in our society today Because what you see is this polarizing if you have a different opinion than me then you become my enemy And what I love is that man, we don't have that One of my favorite moments of the whole weekend was after Susan Vankers talk Jesse Lee Peterson gets up And he he says something like we all know that women shouldn't be Educated and then he and then he asks his question, right? Which is obviously the opposite of what Suzanne Vanker believes and so there was this massive tension between the two and Suzanne was able to stand up and say what she believed Jesse is able to say what he believed and They were able to have a good conversation with the question and answer time And it just seems like that tension that we have of differences doesn't mean that we can't have a relationship and we can't respect each other I just really love that Yeah, I heard about that. I didn't see that but I heard about that later I know this I heard from a couple people actually is and I want to watch another video. I'm excited But yeah, in fact Jesse Lee not only not only did that happen Jesse Lee invited Suzanne Vanker on the show For a full hour long interview or whatever. So she's asking me if she should do it And I was like absolutely like I was like Jesse Lee, you know, he's extremely intense individual But he'll be a respectful and he has like half a million dudes who follow him And it's be worthwhile for you to go talk to him and see where it goes Did what did he mean by women should not be educated? I think I had that I heard about that later Like did he mean that we've been shouldn't go to college wouldn't women shouldn't be taught how to read like? What's the I think he specify he didn't specify, but I think he in Because the context around that time was about college Okay, yeah, yeah further further education, you know advanced education and all that Yes, it's higher higher education. It was college level above. Yeah, I mean, I never never never never never never never never Married a college educated woman. Yeah Did not say that but I did hear him saying some others and like women are evil and you know And he gives kind of a justification for what he believes, but It is what one of the things where people were able to say very very Polar opposite things and belief systems, but we're terribly respectful for each other and and for the most part You know, for example, one of the best conversations I sat in on because I was just smoked by it was Michael Foster and Jeff Younger talking about religion and they have very different views on it But the first thought commonality these are things that we agree upon these are the things that we Identify in value and then it wasn't like here's how we differ Here's how you're wrong it very much was well This is what I believe and this is what we teach and this is how we view things and they were able to share and actually go deeper into insights With that as and then and that's just kind of me relaying something where as much as my understanding What they were talking about was but it was it was fascinating just to be a fly in that wallet that late at night Hearing that conversation that was the first conversation I had I walked. Yeah Yeah, that's absolutely right. Yeah, I got a welcome now. We're going through all this fun Jesse least of we got another Gerber baby to welcome to the show Mr. Coach Greg out What's up, brother Welcome to show man. Appreciate you being here. I'm just catching up. It's West Coast early time over here. Yes 830 It's my sweet day And he said you have your son's basketball game to go to yeah He has basketball games later on, you know Is he's as good as you yet good as you good as a coach is he as good as the coach ball? No, no So coach we were kind of going through the event You know everyone's individual experience of it particularly if they spoke last year previously Everyone in this case either attended or spoke previously So you spoke for your first time in 2020 at all the events to you did all three What was your contrast between 20 20 20 21 the events the Cofid differences, you know things a lot more chill this year What was your experience like this year? Yeah, it was a lot more chill, you know without the the virus hoopla Hysteria going on everybody was relaxed and could actually enjoy the event. So That was a good time. I was a lot more comfortable with the people and who I was meeting You know the speakers that I was familiar with already. It was a lot more comfortable and so I was able to relax and Preparing and speaking to the audiences. I had a better expectation of what was going on. So Yeah, it was good. It was a good event I'm assuming that this is normally how the event was based on I mean I mean compared to the 2020 event because the 2020 event It was a lot a lot more stressful would seem like just getting to the event this one It kind of eased into the event and it was an enjoyable time Yeah, it was 2020 was interesting because I had to kind of on the fly create 21 summit Because we had we had the spring events then COVID, you know the Cofid crap That's what ended up creating that through the triple event 21 summit and I had thought of that You know pre-covid, but I had never it was way sooner than anticipated actually pulling that off so there was some Novelty to doing that that was difficult like I didn't know how to do that I knew in my head and theory how to do it. Oh, I ain't ever done this before. I do usually one at a time not three So that I didn't know I didn't know that that I thought it was always organized like that. So Yeah, this is how I So now you know going into the second time I couldn't see it different than the first time Yeah, I know that it's different. It's run different. Yeah, well, will Spencer has the same experience like his first time It's 2020 Even Michael Foster and Ken Curry and Steve though. They saw they saw it back in the old days We either did the paid the patriarch event once at a time or the main 21 once at a time Yeah, multiple events was never done at the same time. It's it's a step up like it's at least with one event You know, there's still a lot to do but you can focus, you know as the only I could see that I could see that Well, I enjoyed it I enjoyed going from one day to the other just talking to the different groups because everybody's there for a different Reason, so I that's why I like it split up like that You can go to one room and there's more people focusing on father and parent and Patriarch and there's another guys that are in there maybe for dating or work out advice Yeah, and then the women are there. Yeah, so it's good Yeah, I think I think three events for all the all the overhead necessary to prevent that present them Leads such so much space to have so many different varieties of topics covered like for example If you cut off the patriarchs event, you know, you lose Carnell Smith and Eric Carroll and Trevor Loudon You mean all that diversity of speakers in terms of subject matter And so you have two stages running once, you know And and also of course you you know get rid of 22 and you lose Suzanne Venker and less Isaac So if you were to try and put that all in one stage over the course of three or four days The schedule would just be packed and you naturally lose a lot of a lot of that weight a lot of that gravity So I think it's a great innovation to have all three going at once to specialize for for people's interests Yeah, and I'm still nervous too about having women speak to men So I like having women speak to women and then they do they can say whatever they want Well, which is what would they say like it? What would they say to us, you know in terms of a talk that we wouldn't say to ourselves Well, there are some women like Janice Femenko who's a savage He could break down feminism like there's some potential there But it's just there's so much woman's planning on our culture. There's so much like women talking down to men and this We're run, but we are we're a country basically run by women and that's not good and our event is like no We're gonna we're gonna separate these things out. I think that's good Yeah, and I think there's something to be said about having a woman speak to men at that honor Regard and respect men and it's one thing for men to talk about that and to present that It's another to hear it from the the opposite sex to you from from an honest because we don't get to hear that And that's something I think a lot of the attendees who did not go to 22 Miss out on that quite frankly We're able to see because we have that option to be able to go into that environment spend time with them and come out That that I think in many cases That's kind of the next missing step is that women are finding their own voices and speaking up for men and men's issues and men's rights and equality And a very sincere and integral way my my solution is basically just filming right so You know Suzanne's gonna talk to women, but we're gonna record it and everyone's welcome to watch it obviously, you know on the internet So if men want to listen to some woman talk I'm not entirely opposed to that but I want it to be just on the internet and that way It's not this like femme explaining thing to their face. I don't know. I just get nervous about it It feels like a slippery slope Women talk to men in person. Yes, I mean hey this go ahead in the 22 convention both years The only time I've had a combative kind of a combative Disagreement was at the 22 with a woman like this. Yeah, you know, they're they're so ready to stand up and try to prove you wrong But my whole talk wasn't to say you're wrong I was just giving you the truth on exercise in both years. I had someone come up and not ask me questions, but Kind of be combative with combative with me and argue against try to woman-splain you. Yeah. Yeah, I heard I heard coach Greg had a little bit of this too. Oh Her coach Greg was like you're wrong and this woman has lost this she walked out of the room Come up and you know, I'll take questions, but she didn't like You know that my talk was about myths and telling you that the wrong if you believe that you're wrong Yeah, right you tell me that they were still right No, I think the sign language shame and so skill If you got if you got You know a woman up at the you know in front of the guys I think it would be I think it could create a problem if They're trying to explain their point of view and they say one thing and then everybody, you know It would be the reverse problem that I would see Happening when with Jay experience and I think Steve experienced someone last year Yeah, and I we had one this year where there was somebody who she was just hell bent on being offended Notice was she probably was offended with everyone's talk Yes, he came after me too. I Told her the same thing. She was like Yeah, I just thought you know, that's impossible that won't happen. No, this is like I think so scripture Scripture straight-up says that women shouldn't have authority over a man and talking about teaching authority in particular I think it's a sin to have women Clear everyone believed that for thousands and thousands of years now a talking Conversating being on a like open having a conversation a woman's sharing something With me like I can learn from women. I'm not saying I can't learn from women That's not but it's it's first Timothy chapter 2. It's it's about as clear There's so many topics that we are unsettled in Christianity But that one has a verse that says they can't right they can't and they can't because it's how God's made them That's it goes back to the cradle order. So I think it would be a real mistake. I think It would be hard for them Basically you see when we go two directions They in when their teachers they either become very brash and combative and talk down to you Or they kind of take on this very motherly sort of thing Like a way and I don't think that's what men need certainly not the combative But I think what we really need is a platform for men to teach men how to be masculine and a woman can't do that women Women do can't not women don't have the ability to turn boys into men Right they participate in that I'm as a mother, but it takes a father and that's if we're gonna get these guys Going the direction they need to support it would be a mistake to put a woman in front of them Yeah, so that's my thing Well, I could see I could see like Janice Fiamengo giving a lecture on like this is feminism from the inside and Janice Fiamengo is unequivocal in her respect and love for men So I could see something like that But you know past past that that is would be specific domain information that she has as a woman in some sort of larger political like The like something not related to men being more masculine or women or not related to men being more masculine But like you need to see this perspective from a place that you can't go into like a political sense I think that would be okay, but like beyond that my solution Janice my solution for this is basically Have the women talk to women and then from that men can watch if they want that way it's ball It's voluntary. It's not thrown in their face. Yeah, and Interviews right? He will interview a speaker. He interviews Suzanne on it's the interviews where the interview is kind of leading the conversation Like if I were to ever have Janice at 21 It would be a sit-down interview with me personally on the stage and that way we kind of I think it would Zero offense to Janice so I have a lot of respect and love for but that would help me frame the conversation So that the men don't get woman-splain to not even by Janice who loves men and respects them I think immensely Yeah, well I think if you have her I have a woman come up and talk about how to fold, you know separate the colors from the whites how to vacuum and how to It takes to I think that'd be perfectly fun Before we move off this time, I don't need a woman to show me how to iron So last year Steve and coach Greg and Jesse Lee had a couple walkouts this year I think coach Greg had the only walkout from the females So talk to me about that I didn't see that but I heard about it. I'm excited to hear about it Yeah, she said that she had an appointment to go to Like you're at a convention What what appointment what work appointment that she had but she she she She in the middle of this of what I was talking about she she said something of that was offensive She made a comment and I thought I kind of identified it that it came from her direction And then at the end of it there was question and answer period and she was offended about some of the things that that I said about career women, you know, because I kind of insinuated. Hey, you know Career women sounds great at 20 and 30, but it's gonna wear down by the time you get 40 45 50 You're you're not gonna want to work that hard anymore Start seeking a man. I'm like in this natural and I said by 60 you're a Walmart screener So I kind of put that into the speech and then she said that's offensive and then later on she said Well career women this and Kamala Harris will take over and we need a Kamala Harris And what's in wow? Yeah Yeah The reason why you have what you have is because men have not exhibited their true strength Yeah, if so, and we're tired all of this in in 10 seconds we could change all of this But we haven't and so you have what you have today and I said Somebody else is gonna come in and be that strength Allah The the Taliban are it and then there's no negotiation So that was basically what I said and she packs up all her stuff You know, you know grabbing her papers and purses and she wants to try to get other people riled up on the way out And she's yeah, he storms out and the next day. I see her. She's back She's like I've got a point something out on this I have to okay, so my two years there There's been a woman in particular in each 22 audience. That's been real aggressive in both times I've watched that woman try to pick up guys while they're Time yeah, and I and I watched that I watched the woman that was confronting all of us Greg I watched her at the bar first. I watched some guys straight up try that Some 21 attendee try the most blue pill sipping tactics It was amazing. I was listening. I was listening to I started to get a glass of wine He's like, oh, I totally see what you're saying. I agree with you. They should blah blah blah I was like, I just really happened yet 21 then She was not taking it but then a mutual friend of ours Anthony. She was like after him hard And the whole time the whole red-pill alpha male real red Here's it's funny. I know we were talking about yeah these women that are really angry what they want is a want men They really do they're testing their heart. She was that she was there and Greg What you were doing is you were you were being masculine and she had to test you right?  It's happened two years now both both Women that are the troublemakers always are trying to pick dudes up I banned I banned that troublemaker from last year because he's a two different woman one per year Yep, the one last year.  He walked her out I was gonna walk around coach Greg's I got I got this and he walked her out of the building walk her on out And then had her looking through the glass Yeah Yeah, that's all I knew coach Greg had game I was like nobody who does this doesn't get laid like you have to have game to be to handle woman like that And you got it, you know, you you got to understand what it's about not a lot of men stand up to them Yeah, yeah, and when they they get wetter than the Niagara Falls They love it and then the next time you see them they're wearing a sleeky outfit Themselves to men and that combativeness is no longer there She already saw who were who was the man and then she says that's who I want This is the problem in today's world that men don't understand. We're trying to tell you when you appear weak They're not gonna respect you. That's right, but they're gonna test you women test all men They test the pastor they test them the Mac daddy's like my man Steve They test the I mean who's gonna test Jay Vincent and women will test Jane Look out Jay's bill like men know and I split explain this to women Men no hierarchy. We immediately establish it eat right when we walk in the room We established who the leader is who's the dominant who's the who's the beta we do this But women don't want to play that game. They just want to be like we're all equal Okay, that's not how I see, you know, I know that Jake can punch my teeth back then in the back of my throat Without any problem, you know, I mean it wasn't even hurt his hand So we will establish that situation They can they can just channel let me just challenge Jay No, and what they're doing is they're testing to see if he's how he presents himself And then when he presents himself and he stands his ground then they lie on their back. All right That's also I also think this is a unique Situation for America like I feel like if we were doing the convention in Poland like we have It would be very unusual to see Polish women if they attended act like this They wouldn't even if they wanted to test even if they've felt these dynamics in their and their body and their You know done the Niagara Falls that there's America has such a socially feminized You know This this feminist garbage that they act like this they feel entitled to act like this and they don't even think twice about it And their grant their grandma's wouldn't do this if they went to a conference Hey, I need a jet real quick great conference good talking to y'all Thanks, Michael. Yeah, let her man. Let's see you Michael Well with the exit of the Gerber baby Michael Foster. We got the Asian Gerber baby Arthur Kwan Lee Look Arthur What's up, man? Arthur I know you've been backstage for a few minutes. I appreciate your patience. Yeah, I like what I'm here Yeah, man, well right off the bat, you know, this is your first time at a 21 convention You and I had met previously Briefly at a Jesse Lee men's event What was your experience of 21 summit and 21 convention and the whole schindig as your first time after seeing the speeches for probably a couple years? I think it was beautiful, man You know just this idea of expanding the self actualization process and masculinity, you know, it's it does that one domain of Defining and validating your existence based on the opposite sex, but you know, it's about religion art. It's some Deeper issues and just to come together as men in this enlightenment. It's a beautiful thing, man Yeah, you know one of the things that Michael Foster he just hopped off But he said on Twitter like right at the beginning of the event or maybe like the night before last week He said that 21 is good for America and I took that as a compliment obviously that's a big compliment I'm like is that guy? I don't think he was kidding. That was very he meant that on a tweet I think he meant it literally and directly as written But it reminds me like Ken and these guys are saying like we I think 21 convention In 21 summit all the events they reflect like what America should be right this Like a real diversity of opinions a diversity of faiths a diversity of races and stuff There's Asian guys black guys white guys atheist guys Christian guys. There's like a Muslim attendee I don't think we've had any Muslim speakers But there's this huge wide array of ideas and personalities and backgrounds and typically even we have nationalities are too absent The travel restrictions. You have a lot more Canadians British people New Zealand, Australia and India Asia That's limited just temporarily due to COVID crap, but I Feel like we do what all these people what America should be like what I grew up in the 90s What I think was a lot more normal like the Christians don't have a public space now to me is really bizarre even as an atheist I don't like seeing that it's alarming to me because I feel like if they silence you guys like I'm fucking next and then who else isn't You know, we see this cancer culture crap So it's super cool to see all this stuff right and even then focuses you have the artist guy You got the psychologist you got the therapist you got the podcaster you got the coach you got the architect You know, we've had FBI agents like it's I do love this super super wide array of stuff and that we can all Relatively get along even with like deep disagreements, you know I mean Michael Foster was up there doing that religion panel and he was said next to Other religions, you know an atheist a Mormon. He told me he gets more flak for hanging out with Tanner than with me Big man. I'm just an atheist. Oh That was a great panel by the way. Oh, yeah Is that gonna be is that gonna be on the YouTube channel the panel? Yeah, for sure. We gotta edit we're gonna edit the real one It was up for a little while and I took it down Yeah, I like getting the full thing. It's a super the final one to be beautiful But anyway, I think I think to you know together and collect collectively so to speak we represent like the best of America Which is people really having serious conversations about serious issues both agreements and disagreements, you know And that's like Like hey listen, it's my first time attending this event, but it's very holistic. That's it.  We got a welcome. He's hanging out back stream or backstage here Mr. Tony Bruno co-host of the 21 report Sir, well morning guys. How are you morning? Good man from back from the waves Tony? Well, yeah, I was gonna surf but the swells not up today. So Yeah, I was just on the road and Just taking a little mini vacation. So I thought I'd pop in and say hi Yeah, and see what's up? Well, Tony, you've seen 21 since 2018. That was your first experience about three years ago You've seen a number of events I've seen probably like four or five of them at this point How did this one compare to your first experience back in 2018 or any of the previous years that you've seen? You see a pretty good breath of experience watching 21 evolve Yeah, I think the best way it's evolved is I Don't want to downplay the quality of the men that were at past events but I think the the level of intensity is what I've noticed and I think men really want to level up.  So Very cool, man Let's talk a little bit about what we spoke about at the events and we're talking about our experiences there and stuff like that Each one of us gave a speech there everyone on except Tony Everyone everyone here gave a speech at the events sometimes multiple coach Greg gave three socrates gave three I gave like two or four depending on a count it So kind of briefly, you know, if you can start with Ken, you know, would you talk about at the events? He spoke at a track in 22 Yeah, and I feel like gosh Speaking is kind of hard for me. It's not an easy thing to do. I don't feel like I'm a really good speaker I feel like I'm more of a teacher and so I think it was Steve the dean was saying this is the education thing And I feel like that's more of what I did and so I spoke at the patriarch on Thursday And spoke on the concept of power and how men and fathers carry our power And a lot of it was the whole narrative of how the world Sees power and the world really lives in that zero sum power Mindset where there's only a limited amount of power to be had and so there's this everybody's scratching and Crawling to try to get the little bit of power that they can And so I wanted to really open that up to I don't believe that's true.  We're becoming more able to Provide we're able to give more to our children And now to our grandchildren and just the whole idea of power begets power Instead of this whole thing where we're where we're fighting over that little 1 percent of 50 percent power In the zero sum where the zero sum if you remember Plus one minus one equals zero So the plus one has power the minus one has no power And so that there does everybody's scratching for power And that's the way power is seen today and I just don't believe that's true So that was my speech to patriarch The 22 and anthony you're gonna love this because I might have just saved your marriage before it even started You're gonna like this She was there and I talked about the stages of marriage and how marriage is designed to grow us up and to mature us And most people we we think that the way that marriage is uh is um uh Marketed is it's marketed as a uh, you know happily ever after thing you all it's all this chemistry and all this stuff But when it really comes down to it marriage is designed to do so much more And the thing that I really keyed on was it's made to grow us up to mature us into to more healthy individuals And so if you know that and the that change is going to happen And difficulties are going to happen in your marriage and you and you're prepared for that You can actually then process that and actually grow and become build a much deeper relationship in your marriage. So that was just a really quick synopsis of Of the speech at 22 Yeah, it was really well articulated for someone who says they're not a speaker or something Well spoken again. Thank you. Uh, we'll do well and then coach greg. I'll keep going clockwise there Yeah, I at uh at 22. Um, I talked about um I helped women see That there are all these different books in the men's space like king warrior magician lover fire in the dark You know tanner guzzies appearance of power Ryan mickler sovereignty and there are all these archetypes that are kind of discussed in those books So, you know skyfall, you know, obviously king warrior magician lover skyfather Striker lord of the earth rugged refined rake ish protect provide preside like there are all these lists of how men can Can understand themselves and all these books are hugely popular And we're familiar with one if not all of them But the women that I met had never heard of them. I said, well, you know, these archetypes live in every man that you've ever met Right, they're just part of us and you know, what we're doing at the 21 convention in other areas of the men's spaces We're seeking to cultivate these things in in our own lives And so what I said to the women was if you don't see this coming out in the men around you Maybe you have something to do with that Maybe the way that you shame or the word that I used during the talk was from the book of the queen's code by allison armstrong you know The word that she uses is castrate that women intuitively have this Knowledge understanding that's been cultivated culturally over the past six years perhaps even more years That they need to castrate men and keep men weak Um to your point kind about power that power between men and women has become a zero sum game And that women have the power of shame over men and that they use that power shall we say liberally And that weakens the men around them and that they'll never get to see this the true strength And the true heroism come out of their men because of the way they treat the men in their lives And I kind of I kind of tricked them I kind of put it on them to help them see like I'm going to teach you the language of heroes which is from the the queen's code book and Then there's a book there's a vow in the book before women can actually read on and learn the language of heroes They have to take the vow and the vow is Uh, I give up the right to castrate men forever So you actually can't mean you obviously you can physically read the book past that point But you're supposed to take that vow because you know the vow that a woman The reason why a woman would take that vow is because she realizes that she's has some Accountability, you know with with the way that men respond to her And so I had the women stand up. Okay, I'm gonna teach you the language of heroes But first you got to take this vow no big deal So just everyone stand up and then I I said raise your right hand and say I give up the right to castrate men forever And then they got it they got it because every woman intuitively knows that she uses has used Or has at least available to her the power of shame over men and women are quite drunk on that power actually very much though And so that was the nature of the of the 22 talk that women need to give up that power They need to give up that power so that the men around them will be able to discover their own power and so women can discover their power because Shame is the nature of the conflict between men and women where women compete with men It's an uneven playing field. So women are drunk on feminism. Basically women are yes women are drunk on very much Very much. Yeah, and then and then my 21 talk was about a similar theme But for men and about how that power of shame lives not just in our personal lives But largely in our social political life So where it shows up in media where it shows up in the news where it shows up in our language Where it shows up in television and how and just how widespread Shame is it's the it's the water that we swim in as fish and I gave a whole bunch of examples from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings Which was a giant social society wide shaming exercise the Jordan Peterson. Kathy Newman thing You know the the destruction of luke skywalker What's going on with will smith and jada pinkett smith is a gigantic shaming of our national cultural hero And I just broke it all down from him and said look I got it from this book which I highly recommend everyone read called the revolt of the primitive Which was written in 2001. We're in the midst of a sexual holy war This is a sexual holy war of of the what might call the dark side of the feminine That's exactly target at the light side of the masculine order strength discipline It's the shadow feminine going after the the the the divine masculine And it is that deep it is that primal primordial and that's why it's taken over our society And so we as men have to deprogram Ourselves from being able to be shamed Society and be able to see through it which kin spoke to yesterday on twitter You made my day with that and then we can actually show up on the battlefield and and win because Once you push through women's shame they got nothing else They got they got nothing after that essentially and so helping men see that and understand This is where the battlefield really is in the side our own minds and hearts and bodies Coach greg feel free to comment on well or get dived right into your three speeches Because he kind of I kind of talked something similar about uh removing the protective So I tried to make the women's event a little more interactive And uh, you know and and I started off by asking them What are what are the roles of men in our society and they gave the standard? Oh protectors secure provide, you know that type of thing and which I knew that they would do that and then Later on I set it up and said well are women free? What are their roles to society? They gave the standard, uh, you know nurture you know take care of family and that type of thing and You know then I asked the question are women free Are women considered free? I said there was a time where husbands and fathers Owned women as property and I said we're no longer there We've advanced to that women have a certain freedom to make choice Or do they are women free and so they thought about it pondered it Yeah, we're kind of you know, we can do whatever we want in this and that and I said well um You have an obligation to someone who is your your owners We transitioned from men and fathers being owners of women as property and now you're owned by the government Yeah, you're owned by the government strictly. You have to report to them. You they provide to you Uh resources that were first given to fathers and husbands and then I said along the lines you're owned by corporations They're encouraging you to make these steps to um to pledge allegiance to them over your family If you're a 21 year old woman, you can't say no I'm gonna just not do school or any of this. I'm gonna find a husband and have kids She wouldn't be talked out of that so there goes your freedom of choice And then I said you're also owned by the corporate institutions that sell to you because women buy up 83 percent of the Gross domestic products here. You're also owned by the public school indoctrination camps and universities in which 70 percent of the debt is held by women So it was kind of a wake-up call just to let you know is you have an illusion of freedom And that illusion of freedom is provided by the protectors Which will was talking about which now we're destroying those protectors Uh through shame and and a humiliation trials and rituals or whatever we're doing these men And then now the outsiders or the elite or whoever it is has full control and ownership over you And now when you need the protectors to be called upon They won't be there and i'm trying to show generation z Are these group of men know nothing about protecting women. They know nothing about being men or masculine They only know about hey, we're equal to women. So when you you're want men to be called on to protect you They won't be there. I'm just letting you know So somebody's gonna be your owners your new owners will be able to assert their dominance over you And you're gonna call some men and you're gonna blow the horn or I call it on my show the simp wolf whistle You're gonna call for these men to come save you And they won't be available And so I talked about that in the women's conference and then in the men's conference something The patriarch would with something similar and I presented that topic similar because I spoke in the same day And then on the 21 I talked about men protecting their meat And everybody assumes your meat is what's between your legs But your meat is your money energy attention and time Okay, so men oftentimes get these things away frivolously In pursuit of women because we're pursuing women 365 days a year 24 seven Okay, and I said it wasn't meant to be that way We didn't grow up when we had millions of millions of women available to us to preview There were 20 women maybe 200 women and what she got to throw through those You went back to work You started building you had a family you protected that family or you went somewhere else and started a new process So we're on this constant cycle of we need to get asked and this is what I also appreciate about this um conference Is you have men with different philosophies?  Oh you you gotta do this You gotta do that everybody's respectful for of each other's opinions And that's what I really love about it We can get all these men together and everybody has a slightly different opinion on how to do things, but But men have to understand Our generation of men have seen more naked women than our fathers grandfathers great-grandfathers their fathers combined And we're constantly on this loop of chasing tail and we don't protect our meat So I was trying to try to give men to understand that Um, you know, we need to really look at what's important in our lives And women no matter what their Um program to do they want our money And or energy and or attention and or time Yeah, and the way you transact that is gonna Going to determine your path in this life If you know, could I just jump in on that real quick? Yeah, I got something after you too. Go for it. Well, okay. Yeah, no, uh, you know, coach I just want to say how much I Love in your content the way that you've created this whole language around talking about these issues like meat Like peace leave like 304 is like you've created this entire I don't linguistic universe to to talk about your your worldview and your ideas. That's it's really sticky Like you've got some sort of mag of some sort of magic around it That's like you come up with these terms and it's like that's just the perfect way to describe that and it's like Not only is a great way of describing it, but it's very you and so that's one thing I love about your content It's like you've got that dialed and wherever that comes from like I don't know where it comes from sometimes I'll rap something from a rap lyric and be like salami smuggling, you know, I'm like Yeah, I concur through it right you get pictures salami smuggling like that makes sense I concur like when you got when I saw you pull up your 21, uh powerpoint the presentation coach And it said protect your meat.  Everybody doesn't want to know what that is, right? Oh, yeah, who me like all right. We're a condom. What is this gonna be about right? But it's it's perfect though because it does grab your attention It is provocative but not overly so and then also it has the acronym is perfect money energy attention time When I heard when I first heard what it meant.   I'm still in simple whistle That that that's when I wrote down put my back back. Yeah What is a simple whistle? One of the things coach said then really grabbed my attention. He said that our our fathers We've seen more naked women than our fathers grandfathers and their fathers before them combined And you could even out a few more generations and right You can go all the way down the line. Yeah, and it's not just naked.   You know, and it's just a very good feedback Here's what's interesting because I've said something similar before in a different angle for women And it's that women today like coach is talking about women. Are they free or are they not free?   It's really ungrateful and sick And I think your thing to be the duration of that is it came to mind with the men and seeing women It's a very similar thing. Well Oh, and that was that was the nature of my talk is that so this book revolted the primitive which I highly recommend This author he's a he's a psychologist and what he talks about With regard to that what you're saying that women feel like they're not free that's actually the psychological projection of of women feel constrained by reality itself So when women hear when when the average woman walking down the street, here's women's liberation, right? What they're thinking is political so women say we need to be liberated. We need we need more rights That's what the average woman thinks But what the dialogue actually means from an academic standpoint and the women who were propagating these ideas know it It's liberation from the constraints of their own body to bear children It's limitation from physical reality to propagate the species and that's why you have I don't know if you guys heard about this ectogenesis thing like, you know babies being Gestated in machines. I don't know if you've seen that going on But that's a real thing and there was there was oh, yeah, I'll find an article about it was on one of those You know those high profile technical or technology blogs and you know like vox level You know vox is a pretty mainstream source radical, but mainstream So there was a photo of this of this pod that this little baby was being raised in And the thing was is that alone was disturbing but the real disturbing imagery was it showed a man and a woman like a married couple That was their child But if you look really carefully at the imagery The man is hyper feminized and the woman is wearing a business suit like a like a business skirt, you know Like a what a you know like paint like like a skirt whatever that's called glintton Yeah, exactly.   Like everything would go back to its place They put apron on not gonna get American woman we're talking about which is makes up about 150 million women This doesn't happen almost everywhere else. So that leaves another 2.85 billion Women who are not under this guy. So it is what it is. I just want to give a shout out to jack donovan I has it have his essay no man's land here. So you guys should all search. It's on his website It's a long essay about the origins of feminism And and he says, um, I'll I'll just do a quick quote from it It says a common bumper sticker reads quote feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings What he says it should read is that feminism Is the radical notion that men should do whatever women say so that women can do whatever the hell they want Right, and this was jack like 10 15 years ago something like that And so, you know, just this is where the energy around the abortion debate comes from It's so that men can never tell a woman no, even if it comes down to ending a human life That's where the energy comes from. It's not about like it's not about what they say It is the real energy is men will never tell a woman no even if it means ending a human life That is their own their own genetic offspring, you know, even if even if you're a father and into places like Japan the father has input in America It's zero. You're right. It's all about no. It's all about control Let's let's keep the panel moving here though Let's get jay and then we'll hit steve and keep going jay. Would you talk about to the ladies and to the men at 21 and 22 So this year to both of them, uh, I talked about very common fitness myths because Let's be honest most of the problem today is men are just really fucking weak and I think A good start to turning that around is to improve their physical capacity to be stronger physically It's going to have in fact on their emotional strength and um the psychological Like a lot of these stories I hear about how men are treated by women.  You don't have this. You don't have that Because a huge part of the problem with men and their weakness too is their their Lack of ability to take responsibility for their actions. So if they take responsibility for Their shitty physique and their poor health that's also going to start a pattern that's going to carry over to the rest of their life A responsibility for other aspects of their life. It's just like coach Greg. Greg was talking about You know as men we recognize a hierarchy every time we enter a room. We know what the order is, okay But men are so weak That women don't even take them seriously like the way men are treated um You know commonly in this society because of these weak men. I don't experience that ever With all women I'm I'm treated with respect and you know a funny thing is there was a woman.  They wouldn't even try you And if we get more men To be this way because the the responsibility of the men is to lead in that, you know Bend over backwards for everything women want Everything's going to fix itself if men if men can just start step one just take responsibility for their Their physical you know their physical appearance in their health It's going to carry over. I'm going to make stronger men. So basically my goal my mission was to break it down Into as simple of an application as possible so men could get on this track Very cool, man. Very cool Steve let's get you in here, man. Would you talk about to the men and to the fathers at 21? Oh, yeah, I first I do the fathers other what I talk to them about is I mean because there's this Wave going on that you know marriage is just I guess it's difficult thing But you know when you're a man nothing is difficult and what I was trying to explain to the guys As far as marriage is that you know for me doing being mayor for 22 years with no arguments No fights any man can have that because I'm willing to say no And the woman I'm with no she has one foot out of the door I mean I'm I'm willing to let her go for my happiness. It's not Happily ever after it's happily after me, you know how to mean consult about me and what I want and I taught the guys to create that you can't create that when you first meet the woman You've got to create that From the comfort of your own home. You've got to create standards laws rules codes and principles You've got to create and know what the what meeting and dating is and have a standard for that Have a standard for a relationship have a standard for what is living together What is the standard for engagement? What is the standard for marriage? What is the standard for fatherhood all this stuff has to be before you walk out that door because You set the expectations and she has every right to fight it or say no, but you got every right to walk away So what I was telling these guys is that like like somebody's been here. I'm not here to blame women I'm a man. I don't blame. I don't blame women. I don't ever do that But I I I take accountability. So I want these what I was teaching the guys is Create the standard first And then when you find the woman be the standard so then when you're the standard She's going to either follow or fight you and if she's fighting you she's gone She'll get a write up in a warning, but after that you're going because you're replaceable.   Well, not that kind of meat, but that meat. Yeah, I mean and let her go So that was the uh, the uh, they get the patriarch thing I was talking about now As far as the 21 I was getting really deeper because I was I was I was challenging the men this year That was saying we're almost at the end of the year And the sad thing is you're the same person you were December 31st at 1159 and 52nd sitting around lying to yourself when that damn ball dropped saying that you're going to be Better or you're going to do better or you're going to do this and all you're doing is lying to yourself So I talked about how a lot of guys are on a surface level when it comes to the game and or manhood You know street we call it on the streets. We call the game, but manhood They're they're surface level because they're so busy trying to be a part of a collective And not trying to be single-minded and I brought up a thing that Jill Scott said You know, she just basically said if you can tell me what to do You can tell me what to do But if you can't tell me what to do You can't tell me what to do and I was telling the guys out there that How can you tell a woman what to do when you can't even tell yourself what to do? When you have no values, no beliefs, no characters, no laws, no rules, no codes, no mission statement, no vision statement No legacy statement on you and how you move as a man Then how are you going to direct and guide a woman and that's some of the problems that these young men are having there They're caught up in this drug of word word phrases that I talked about How wrestlers in the 90s like with the rock, you know Vince McMahon sold phrases catch phrases to connect the crowd With the wrestler and a lot of youtubers are doing the same thing.  They're just words and phrases where these young men live by these words Regurgitate these words mimic these words and that's not them. So I just try to tell them that Whatever happens with a woman does not define you Whatever a woman does to somebody else is none of your business You shouldn't be worried about the next man because the next man is in you the statistics out there are not you You are not a statistic.  You got to build your scribe They don't even know what their scribe is you got to build your governing body You got to build your film room in which you look over your day and see where things are going But they're so busy looking outside of themselves and looking at what women are doing versus what they're doing Is the problem until they stop doing that they're never going to grow So they'll be the same guy and they'll go over and over again at the end of the day time is going to move We're going to get older, but they're not going to evolve as men So they need to to wake up, you know, steve That was awesome And that whole monologue back in the day in the old pickup the old man is fear the old pickup artist days We call these guys dabblers Because they would dabble dabble dabble with different schools of thought and pick up and different coaches They liked but they're always just dabbling and never really changing or doing anything new We're doing anything Deep like deep work. They would actually change them over time It sounds to me. Yes, it's about your talks actually too is boundaries I mean you have a lot of different names for its standards and rules and these things and these are different things, but It's like Boundaries the women and boundaries with yourself And it sounds like you did a really good job of building up both of those for the men there Thank you, so I'll catch the video soon You know, steve is doing he's challenging men, which is different from what a lot of people are doing It seems like we're trying to challenging the thoughts and feminism and women But he's challenging men.  They have nothing and they want the woman woman We're expecting because it's so easy to see the women and and and get them sometimes We're expecting them to like us for us and then we'll build together and build around And power couple and all of these uh things and we're finding out that it's not working for everyone And we get frustrated with this. So you're like, dang This this is not working or she took what we had and we created this together and she took it. Well The the the point is that you guys are saying jay same build your body up and you'll how already manage your command of great respect You're saying if you're a creator, then they'll they'll they'll recognize it They're gonna recognize it it actually works in your favor, but it takes a lot of work, doesn't it? Arthur it takes a lot of work to do 100 but you have to avoid that work Yeah, yeah, we can move on Arthur actually this is a good segue But yeah, we're all we're all builders. I think is what coach is saying we build buildings or we build our bodies or we build Boundaries we build relationships That's what men do and it's a very masculine thing to build. I think jack condom is probably spoken about that several thousand times Uh with good with good uh good reason But Arthur you're a builder you're a builder of art you're a builder of vision Through painting uh, you're a you're a fine artist so talk to me about your experience again at 21 And particularly what you talked about to the men in your speech I heard a lot of good things about it in fact I heard you and jeff younger were kind of the dark horses that surprised Everybody as some of the best speeches particularly for new speakers Right on well, I mean yeah, jeff younger is I think he's super underrated You know if it wasn't for what he was dealing with at a personal level um And viral level like that guy is in his cycle fate acknowledge of philosophy and religion But with that said, yeah, I spoke about I titled my presentation as the social landscape to avoid being obliquely political But you know, we all know the sentiment that politics is down some from culture. We've heard that repeated and my I guess war cry was that we had to become active participants on the matter Because what we're all talking about here is masculinity, right? But what is masculinity? It is the conscientiousness to recognize and create objective standards and boundaries And men are the only ones that can do so So I'm I was just trying to show you guys visually that this also applies in the arts entertainment where the engine of radical leftism is fueled by feminism and In the sandricks self-hating men that's associated with them So so that that ideology also been trickulated into the arts and when when masculinity is absent in the arts All the objectivity goes down the hill and I showed that in my presentation and you know, I really wanted to make it clear that kind of like, you know Seville saying this isn't like a attack on a woman per se, right? It's really more that Men need to step up and participate more vocally and not be invisible as standards is right. So that's sort of the Vantage point I was coming from in regards to Recognizing the left for what they are and understanding that They're really fueled by the the feminine spirit and we need to bring back objectivity through masculinity Arthur, would you say that feminism has had a Directly and significantly negative impact on the world of art in america and in western culture Is that an essence 100 so in the genesis council? We have all different types of artists, right? filmmakers actors writers And I bet every single member and they all told me the same thing. They all told me the same thing You know, I had a filmmaker. He says I'm trying to make this heroic film And I want to cast some actors so I have to go through the skilled and they all say well, what if you depicted more you know noncist heteronormative like it's all this cling on language that he has to go through and it's it's crazy It doesn't it doesn't matter about the medium. It's not medium specificity, right? Every single artist is telling me the same thing because we have all different types You know iron sharpens irons right iron right martial arts where we're training whatever it is. This is the artistic The aesthetic form of that. We're all here testing each other and being accountable and critiquing each other but You know, we're all coming this collective is is born out of the fact that we live in this world that The most hated thing today is seems to be masculinity And there's no place for in the arts because the left has absolute ownership of those big five alone Yeah, yeah, I think when we say femininity, it's like either we're talking I think about a dark feminine like a very negative femininity Uh, you know in these different examples we've had, you know, women who are You know masculine eyes so their their nature is out of place They can also be over mothering right like a helicopter parent and then they have like a mama's boy son Which is an unhealthy You know dynamic for a child But yeah, it's like I think with art femininity is way out of place And like you're saying it's it's destroyed standards Because they don't like recognize the boundaries that needed to create great art Sean smith is talking about your speech. Actually, I saw his 21 report. We're going to publish it probably tomorrow We just published coach gregs actually last night, but he's talking about in your speech He contrasted like these old classical paintings and buildings that were very rigid, right? They had a lot of structure to it and boundaries and then you showed now art can be considered a banana duct tape to a wall You know like that.  I ran actually my favorite, uh, Philosopher she loved the kind of art you make and she hated this this neo liberal This woke garbage even in her day back in the 60s and 70s compared never mind now But she saw she actually had a book called the return of the primitive Someone had another book similar of name. I wonder if it's inspired by that. Maybe But yeah, it's you know, she saw the lack of boundaries. She attacked it philosophically Uh more so rather than from like a feminism perspective and but that was in her day too This is like 40 years ago at this point But yeah, it's I love seeing it and yeah, you know that the feminine is aesthetic relativity and the masculine is hierarchy And we recognize that you know, we talked a little about the you know from different different vantage points here today But I'll tell you, um If you looked at who the gatekeepers were before post modern art came into the picture, they were all men They're all wealthy patriarchs You know men in men in positions of power who wanted to Put symbolic art up onto their walls I can tell you as a person, you know, I have about my whole roster of collectors Anytime a woman wants art Is decorative It's vague It can be anything of that sort whenever men want art. They want something iconic or symbolic Like that's not I mean, that's a that's not a coincidence. And I think it's because You know, we're the ones who We understand that we want to duplicate something of meaning and and permeate then uphold that standard woman just wants something in the background to make them feel like, you know, um Whatever the chaotic You know reflection is at that time Live laugh love.  Yeah, it's like a you know, I was talking about from Pearson a bit last night when people got a little He talks a lot about order and chaos and as I think we all can probably agree like men bring order women bring chaos And that's not entirely it's just kind of the way things are like I'm not saying that it's some accusatory tone obviously It's just the way things are and there's there's sort of a beauty to that like this chaos that the feminine brings It's interesting. It's exciting. It's fun. This is the hot crazy matrix, right? That's chaos, right?  I mean, this is like This is the same rocket science Yeah, but it's it's controlled chaos. I mean, but what we have is out of control chaos. Yeah, yeah You know, they get to say what they want to say and then when we say we're censored and He monetized platformed and you're going wait a minute.   I mean, it's like that It's like yeah, yeah, I don't want to blame the feminine again Like there's so many artists or females that are like they're making stellar art But again overall the numbers speak for itself that the absence of masculine needs problem It's not femininity per se because there's so many artists Are able to produce amazing works of art just by exercising that romanticism selectively But that's there's that's there's still a source there. But my my point is that like masculinity is um So important for I said in my speech the my my central claim will be that masterpieces are produced by masculinity and and you look at any great work of art and you'll see that theme and I think we have to recognize that pattern because men our brains also have that pattern recognition So we have to be able to also say it articulate that I say a lot about uh America like America was like I said in my speech this year It was the collision of masculinity and good philosophy of good ideas about freedom And it wasn't we don't revere the founding mothers. We revere the founding fathers It doesn't it doesn't mean that women didn't have the role back then I mean they raised the founding fathers little boys once they had mothers who loved them and took care of them They played an important role in different ways too beyond that But it's still it's the founding fathers we revere and that we respect and admire and we should I want to talk about this idea of women being property because I've given some thought to that And I found myself wondering, you know, so if you can say women didn't have the right to vote women were considered property so I thought about women not having the right to vote during the early days of of the republic and It kind of actually made sense to me because We're all used to living in cities now. We have always on media. We can you know read an infinity of newspapers You know and get the information that we need to make informed decisions Say politically, but if you turn back the clock say 250 years ago That wasn't the case. You didn't have as large cities as we have now. You had people in isolated rural populations Um, you know homesteads farmsteads, etc Not clustered and and no essentially no newspapers like we even have them today everything travels by word of mouth Where does everything travel through word of mouth? It travels through the marketplace Who's in the marketplace? Men are in the marketplace while women are caring for the home and raising the children So who were the people that were actually literally physically empowered to make informed political decisions? That was the men It wasn't that women were intentionally excluded in some sense to create patriarchy It's that women literally did not have access to informational networks to make informed political decisions Like it wasn't structured that way intentionally to exclude women It was who are the who are the people that are able to make informed political decisions Men were and how are women able to make informed political decisions by the men telling them? So I give the women the right to vote because they didn't have access to the information that they just get from their husband It was sort of more like a household kind of thing So I even in the notion of women being property Like you can look at that through the lens of women had to be considered property So that if another man harms your wife, you can you can uh, you can take legal action say So it's it's not necessarily like a lot of these things are framed and you know You probably just you probably just shoot him back then but right But I mean you can take things further in a legal sense if you consider women property It's not that they created these structures to treat women as objects Right like I look I'm not I'm not a historian But I'm just you know trying to see like what are the what are the good reasons that you could think about that? Something like this would be done instead of saying because the whole notion of patriarchy is that Men naturally since the beginning of time have objectified women and treated them as as less than human second-class citizens Right, but at the same time these are the these are the human beings meaning women that were entrusted with the most precious Duty that you can give to a human which is to raise the next generation The man cares about his legacy. He's you know, if he's smart He's not going to objectify as women to treat her like a second-class citizen. He's going to love her He's going to treasure her he's going to protect her so that they can raise You know good children both sons and daughters And so I I try to unplug a lot of these ideas You know that that are just kind of propagating and say well What if there was actually a good reason societally to be doing to be doing these things? You know on on men's behalf that was actually served a protective function of women Rather than an exploitative Function and so I just tried taking these apart these idea apart on my own because I think the ideas of feminism And how men have treated women through history You know in this negative sense are so widespread that they're they're almost unchallengeable So I've just sort of taken this position that I challenge them now You know, oh women women were property and that's bad Well, what if there was a good reason for that is sort of the question that I would I take with things? Yeah, yeah, there's more nuance to it before I forget. Let's get Socrates to talk about his speeches Inevitably enough, I kind of talked kind of off brand really I it was a speech in three parts In to three different audiences you spoke at all the events dead all three events essentially the same speech But targeted specifically to each audience where at its core and the the centerpiece of it was Both a identification of a warning because I think right now we are running headlong Into an environment and culturally where our civil liberties and rights are being stripped from us and being taken away wholesale And that there's the the rush to moral threshold of violence is being thrust upon us It's also a very stark warning That hey violence in response may not be the most appropriate thing to do it because it may not be effective It also has massive consequences And so that's where the civil resistance Concept comes in and I kind of go into that but then the last component to that speech was also the fact that the regime's pushing this Typically are very fragile. I wanted to showcase a fragility Of of the current regime right now But specifically to talk about you know in the 22 when I was talking to women Civil resistance their their women get that for a whole host of sexual to be clear too The women got pretty triggered by your speech much more so than the men. Yeah, interestingly enough. They did Which was kind of surprising because if you talk about what demographic gets civil resistance Better more than men or women and it's going to be women because of their nature Their social net shorts that their their empathy of degrees their ability to develop Relationships and supporters and collectively that's what women are great at below the threshold of violence, you know And so in many ways, I mean they did a show they've been super effective with feminism obviously That's that's one but you know not not even looking at you know particular roles But you know when we look at uh the threshold for success like so for example No movement has been unsuccessful when they've been able to mobilize 10 percent of the population 10 percent Most are successful at 3.5 and and and that's overturning governments that are repressive and using violence So if we're looking at just changing the bulwark of of culture The threshold is going to be much lower much much lower And so the reality is we need them not only to be successful You know within non non violent campaigns but but also to to to get that groundswell to enable their traits and in their Compatibles and complementary nature with men's and this is one of the stellar points where they're not only equal with men They're essential for that task You know because most women are not suited for combat roles. I know they're a whole host of reasons why And so, you know, not only that uh when you go to conflict like that The ramifications are typically negative and one of the sets I I brought up was a The fact that you'll end up seeing that language repeated in the future Not only is it more violent the collateral damage tends to be extremely high We can sit down and point at our own history That yes, there was a 16 to 15 year period of time before the revolution took place. That was violent That was active civil resistance We did have a violent conflict But then you sit down and say that that historical nature of violence and rebellion Would show itself and those seeds would would germate into the civil war the american civil war when which we've lost 1.5 million american lives because of that rebellious nature and that that that hallmark of historical reliance on violence Now we can sit down and say since then we've learned a tremendous amount You know, we've had uh martin learned the king with in our own history To showcase what the movement of a non-violent campaign can really change society for the better without using violence So, you know, I I showcase civil resistance as being the active confrontational Manor in which people can exert personal power outside of a system It is also the antidote from impotency the Ability or a concept that you can't make change as an individual all the way up to the threshold of violence to to Soothe the frustrations the angers of missteps and overreach for governments In the missteps of culture and so I utilize that and showcase that and to really press upon each group So the women how they're compatible and complementary to men how we need them To 21 convention quite honestly you're talking about military age males And that they are one bad decision away from not only jail time But also losing their lives and that that's a waste and and i'm not saying that at a certain point That there isn't moral moral Righteousness to taking up violence and duty. Yeah, but there we are there's a huge swath of moral Morality between here and there that we need to cover and make sure we emphasize and then quite honestly with fathers we talk about 15 days to flatten the curve to three jabs to keep your job It's really not about the job Is it it's about your livelihood your personal identity the fact that men are divorced because of of losing a job And it's not just that you're going to lose a job.  Yeah, I was um, I heard a lot about your speeches throughout the event. You did a workshop too. It was pretty cool Yes, yes, I did But the women and but that the woman in particular because you're usually like will like a smooth operator And I didn't know what you were going to do. So when I heard the woman get all Ruffled their their panties got ruffled by Socrates. That was surprising.  I got a million other things to do, right?   It's I like being surprised sometimes, you know, like that. It's cool Uh before we wrap up we've been going for over an hour and a half I do want to kind of open the panel Uh, do you guys have any wishlist items for next year's 21 summit? For example, I've been contemplating reviving the under 21 convention for young men ages 18 to maybe like 23 18 to 23 like that and doing four events at the same time Which is pretty daunting But I think it's possible and it might be worthwhile to bring that back for young men A cheap ticket a short event, you know, a saturday sunday kind of thing Where we can get young guys out to meet the other older men to meet, you know, the fathers to meet the speakers And I think that'd be kind of cool And I think zoomers needed like coach gave was talking about they don't know anything about being masculine They they've been raised in a world even worse than than what I grew up with with multiple areas of feminism They have like triple a triple burger feminism Instead of a nothing burger. It's like a triple burger. I grew up with like a double burger double cheeseburger feminism So if you guys have any any thoughts for next year's or suggestions for what you'd like at the event Um, I'm open Tony in particular has a lot of access behind the scenes too might be some ideas Well, I think this event really ran super well probably the best event that I've been a part of without a doubt And I think it's the repeating volunteers and staff that create that just that congruency in the in the whole event Um, I know a lot of people don't see what I'm doing behind the scenes But I'm doing a lot more than people think so, um But um as far as changes, I think I think always introducing new speakers and real polarizing speakers is is a great way to just add curiosity and I think uh every new speaker brings a new crowd So an in new crowd are people that are truly waking up to what we're talking about So I'll put more put And matthony you and I talked about this a little bit but Bring in the culture man make this enlightenment full throttle, you know, we're gonna get bringing some um We'll talk about it more art sex, but we'll see you know bringing that that aesthetic dimension and that'll make people uh You know, because we're all fighting right we're on we're on the front line fighting, but If we have the culture in the back and the beauty there We don't even need to talk to the left They just will see that and go that's why they fight. Yeah, right. That's how you win Yeah, so to be clear uh Two things want to mention tony is responsible for basically corralling the speakers wrangling them And uh, you know setting them up for the interviews and kind of speeches and stuff too He's integral to what we do and Arthur what Arthur's talking about he suggested to me doing an art expo for masculine art At the event, you know, like a separate room maybe with lights and all kinds of cool. Shit He kind of did this here on his own. He had his painting. It's still in my house. I gotta get it back to him Really But uh, I never I never thought I would have never thought of that on my own Like I have I've had a respect for art philosophically for a long time But to actually set up a whole room where we got half a dozen really cool paintings or sculptures and things like that Uh, I'm I'm a hundred percent down. Yeah, yeah, and your your whole genesis counts. So I think yeah, we have everything you need already Yeah, yeah, I don't know nothing about easels and a lot you I had to buy easel for his painting.  We'll talk about that my good man. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good idea I would have never thought yeah, I told Arthur. I was like, yo man, I grow efficient.  Which I think would be which I think would be great to do I do think young men need this and they need exposure to the many different speakers and ideas because where else are they going to find it? How how are they going to get to interact with men of the caliber that speak at 21 and the attendees as well? Where are they going to get that influence in their everyday lives because in some ways, you know They're even more feminized than any previous generation, you know But they have they see that they see the failure of the ideology as well and are starting to wake up and deep program themselves And they're still very isolated in their communities of of other men who don't share their ideas at their age I might also suggest a panel like a council of elders Because if we're going back to under 21, you know that stage of a man's life cycle 18 to 21 years old Like maybe there's room to have you know father like grandfathers, you know 60 plus talking about that stage of a man's life cycle because you know There's real wisdom and there's real gravity in that and I think bringing those two halves of men's lives together You know that the the grandfather used to raise up the youth and teach them the right way to be And if we can if we can tie those threads together, you know Because we've already brought religion which has sort of an elder component to it But actual like men with life experience talking almost directly or to the men in journal But talking to the young men that could be hugely powerful to to close that loop Yeah Yeah, and I'd like to add too It's like I I would like to see not only a convention where people are speaking like just like what we're talking about with under 21 But to sit down and say okay for the next 12 months This council of elders are the guys that have spoken We're going to kind of reoccur every quarter or some segment where we get those guys back together online to pursue What their their objectives are doing so that you're you're literally mentoring these guys not only at a one time event But you know throughout the rest of the year to really help springboard them forward and develop that personal connection report I I think would be you know incredibly important. Yeah coach greg. Do you want to hop in the event? Is it evolved like crazy even just over the last two years? We got a lot of philosophies um You have now the artistic component coming in which I I caught the because I spoke at the Arthur's so I was able to catch that and it was an eye opening speech And I was like I never considered any of this stuff So this is great that it's coming into that and uh young men You have to understand about this generation 90 You know when they get old to elementary school 95 of the people that they interact with are women Teachers are the teachers are women then when they go to high school Something like 73 and then when they go to college is something like 55 to 60 percent of the instructors are female So they're getting one sided perspective For the their whole childhood entering into adulthood And so what we would give them and of course You also include the fatherless homes and the single mother Most young boys don't see a man for quite a long time So we would be it would definitely be a wake-up call to see that Uh for those guys, but yeah, man, I would just want to say When when before I came to the first 21 What the idea of the 21 convention was then for what I thought it was to what it has evolved to now Is incredible to see so I commend anthony on that to keep putting this together as he ages He matures and the event matures along with it and he has um, he has patriarchs around them To help him out and help wrote this event. So I think going on to the future is going to evolve a little bit more So keep evolving. I I appreciate the evolution But when I first heard of 21, I thought it was just the puas, you know what? I mean, that's all I thought till I showed up and it was a lot more detailed in and uh Philosophical then it was presented to me in the past or what people thought it was me And so I'm glad I'm seeing this evolution and I'm glad I'm a part of it. So thank you for having me on Hell yeah, thanks coach. I appreciate the uh the compliment the uh the recommendations man or the uh get a feature man.   Yeah, I don't know what the hell is Tony got a girl in the back on the side But not coach that's from the heart man I appreciate that big time and you it has changed a lot since you since you started speaking last year And I'm gonna keep it going man. I really think the uh under 21 might be a really good addition and I'm also thinking about next year uh Changing the schedule on significantly. That's crazy, but it'll be a significant change in how the event operates I'm not ready to reel the uh details on that just yet But I have an idea that they'll make it actually run quite a bit better Yeah, yeah, you know what? I just want to say something real quick I like I I love the fact that Arthur is part of all this because I I pushed to these men right now to take them down posters down and start Bringing art into their their homes So they can describe and define, you know, this is You know when a woman comes in your home She's gonna look and define you by how you're living and people don't a lot of young men don't even know that and The artwork that Arthur has I mean You you want her you want her to walk into not just a masculine man, but a masculine kingdom where You can walk her over and describe and talk about the strokes of the paint the artists that painted it Why you want see it's things like that that always say you always want to either elevate or educate a woman That's that's the key to all this and I think what Arthur is bringing two to 21 It's also showing men another side It's not I mean everybody's getting great content But once the lights go out and you go home, you're going home to a home that has empty walls or like fucking Portland pornographic posters now nudity can be art. I mean I always talk about nude art It's beauty and art, but we got to get these these young men to see as men see versus as kids see Yeah, thank you guys. I'm honored to be here with you all. Thank you. Yeah, it's great to have you It's been a really good time really good event really good show today guys appreciate Everybody's input man They're going to wrap up so for you guys tuning today live appreciate it live on the show check the description There's going to be a link to everybody's social media where you can follow them stuff like that After the show I could update on the channels and stuff the descriptions But this has been anthony johnson with the red man group socrates ken curry wil spencer coach greg adams jay vinson steve the dean williams from the mad mindset arctic quanley from genesis council tony bruno And we've got the dragon apparently as well Game of thrones up in this motherfucker And michael foster was on earlier too. I appreciate his time today So that's it for today's show episode 151 Thank you all for joining me on today's show as well as at the event It's uh, it's my life's work man. It's my dream come true every year and you guys make that happen in a big big way And along with the attendees and staff and volunteers. So big thanks Yeah, and we appreciate you doing it anthony absolutely And the number of men that you've created a platform for the number of men that you've created whole careers for Or enable them to establish their careers is probably uncountable. So thank you for that because some of those men have gone on to change my life So thank you for that Thanks. Well, you're welcome man for all you guys do, you know, I love doing I love doing the work I'm gonna keep doing it another 15 years, man. We'll hit uh, I'll see you guys at the 30th anniversary of 15 years I'll be old men. I'll be I'll be joining you guys at the graves, man Oh man