Prydyn hwnnw, wrth gwrs. I'm Andrew Goodall, chief executive of NHS Wales. Since I last spoke to you in the summer, we've seen an increase in coronavirus cases across Wales.   Yesterday, Public Health Wales reported 764 new cases of coronavirus. In some health board areas, the levels of coronavirus are now higher than those we were seeing at the peak in April. This is because testing is more widely available. Very sadly, we are seeing an increase in the number of people dying from coronavirus. Every day this week, Public Health Wales has reported deaths. The Office for National Statistics yesterday said deaths involving coronavirus are at the highest level since the start of July. Behind every figure is a person and I want to pass on my personal condolences to all the families who have lost a loved one to coronavirus. We have four levels of escalation in the NHS which reflect pressures in the system. In July I was reporting that most of our sites were green or level one status. Today there are 12 hospitals reporting either levels three or four which show the increased pressure across the NHS as we balance emergency activity with rising numbers of people needing treatment for coronavirus. Today there are just over 700 COVID-related patients in Welsh hospitals. This is 49% more than last week. This is the highest number since late June. The number of confirmed coronavirus patients in Welsh hospitals is currently 326, 70% higher than two weeks ago. This is about half the number when we were at the peak in April, but I am concerned at the rising trend. The demand for beds for people with coronavirus will continue to increase in the days and weeks ahead. About 15% of our acute and community hospital beds are vacant, but some hospitals already have limited capacity in those parts of Wales where there are high levels of coronavirus. There are currently 25 people being treated in critical care for coronavirus. This has been stable over the last two weeks, but we expect to see this increase. Our normal critical care capacity of 152 beds is full mainly with people who do not have coronavirus. Health boards are already implementing plans to expand critical care, which will have a knock-on effect on other NHS services, including unfortunately planned surgery. We know a lot more about the spread of the virus than we did earlier in the year. We know that an increase in community cases leads to an increase in hospital admissions, an increase in critical care admissions and sadly an increase in deaths. Inevitably, as we see increasing numbers of hospital admissions, it will impact on the NHS's ability to maintain and deliver all aspects of service. A range of services will need to change to manage coronavirus. I will give you two examples of this. Around 10% of current 999 ambulance calls relate to COVID symptoms. It can take a paramedic up to six minutes to put on the necessary PPE they have to wear when responding to somebody with COVID symptoms. This has consequences for the speed of response to red 999 calls where time is of the essence. It also has an impact on ambulance response time performance. Each ambulance must be thoroughly cleaned between calls taking that vehicle off the road. The number of operations and procedures we can carry out is also affected by coronavirus. Every operating theatre must be safe for patients and staff, which means a wide range of preventative measures must be put in place. From enhanced infection control and decontamination between operations to PPE, which must be changed between patients. Even for the most routine of operations, the time needed for each surgery has increased by 50%, significantly reducing the number of operations which can take place. I want to give you some insight into how NHS activity has been affected by the pandemic. In March we took the decision to postpone planned operations and appointments to enable the NHS to respond to coronavirus while maintaining essential services including cancer, mental health and emergency services. Restarting the NHS is a complex process, especially when there is still so much we don't know about coronavirus. We continue to provide essential and emergency care. We have seen a gradual return to normal levels of activity in our emergency departments across Wales since June. The most recent operational data for September shows a small reduction in 999 calls and A&E attendances, which perhaps reflects the higher levels of coronavirus we are now seeing across Wales. We have seen the number of people referred into the NHS for cancer treatment recover to expected levels, but treatment activity levels are 10% lower than normal. Demand for mental health support reduced significantly at the start of the pandemic, but they are close to what we would expect now for this time of year. We are expecting that demand will increase for mental health services. We have seen the biggest impact on waiting times. The total waiting list has increased by around 10% over the last six months, but there has been a five-fold increase in people waiting more than 36 weeks because of the limited activity taking place. It will take time to address these waits, but we will do so using all means possible. About a third of outpatient consultations are taking place remotely by call or video consultation, and we have agreements in place to use independence sector capacity in Wales. As I said earlier, based on the current trends, I'm concerned about the impact of the current growth in coronaviruses on our NHS and care services and the speed at which it is spreading across Wales. The impact on our hospitals at the moment is similar to what we saw in March. Our plan is to continue to respond to coronavirus pressures in the NHS, maintain emergency services and as much NHS activity as possible for as long as possible. We want to balance essential services alongside the delivery of planned and routine services which have been reintroduced over the summer, but the higher the level of coronavirus in the community, the more difficult this becomes. I anticipate that this winter will be more challenging than any I have known in my professional career. We have commissioned plans for an extra 5,000 beds. This is ten times the number of our usual winter plans. The flu vaccination programme is another important part of our winter protection plan. It's been extended this year to protect more health and care workers and members of the public. I would urge everyone to have a flu jab to protect themselves and others. Demand is likely to be high this season, and you will be called at the appropriate time for your risk group well ahead of the arrival of the flu virus to the UK. We have also introduced Covid-like zones or green zones in hospitals for emergency and planned admissions, and we are implementing enhanced infection control policies and practices, building on what we have learnt from the first wave earlier this year. This is a virus which is easily transmitted in hospitals and can be invisible if people do not have symptoms when they pass through our services. Unfortunately, where there are high levels of community transmission, it's highly likely we will see cases in hospitals and other care settings, despite taking all possible steps to prevent it. We are facing a difficult winter ahead of us. We have seen an extraordinary response from our NHS and care staff over these recent months. They have been busy right through with little respite. It is a lot to ask more of them, but I know they will continue to respond professionally and with care. It's important we all play our part and do everything we can to look after ourselves and each other. It's important we all follow the rules. We keep our distance from each other, practice good hand hygiene, work from home where we can, and wear a face mask in indoor public places. By doing this, we can support each other and our NHS and care services in the weeks and months ahead. Together, we will keep Wales safe. Thank you. I'm now going to move in the usual way to questions from journalists. Starting with Owen Clarke from the BBC. Yn amdad, Dr Goodall, can I ask you if the trajectory of spread of coronavirus in Wales continues as now? When do you expect to see the same level of patients in Welsh hospitals as we saw in the spring peak? Is it true that the pressure will be even more difficult now, given the commitment to maintain essential services? Are you genuinely worried about the impact this is having already on staff? I am concerned about the trend that we see at the moment. We are at half the peak of patients who we saw in hospital beds when we had the peak back in April at this stage. Obviously, Owen, we've learned about how we can respond to the virus and we are looking to ensure that we have appropriate plans in place. We have a different level of preparation than perhaps when we were at the first peak. We do have a responsibility to make sure that we are able to balance the care and treatment that patients need to access across Wales. It's really important to perhaps understand some of the scenarios that we're planning for at the moment. You may have seen Swansea University putting their own analysis in respect of some of the work we've been doing around scenarios in Wales. That says that if we don't put in mitigating actions from both the response from the NHS and also from the government, that we would expect to see a significant more number of deaths in Wales, possibly as many as over 6,000, that we could expect as many as 18,000 additional hospital admissions. So wherever we are at the moment, we need to ensure that we are able to respond to those kind of exceptional peaks at this stage. But on the trend that we have, I think we still have plans in place that will allow us to balance the care and treatment that we need to have over the next two or three weeks or so in particular. But if we see a doubling of capacity, as was the case back in March and April, it doesn't take much with the maths involved to work out that we could see a system that is under pressure. But at the moment, I think that there is a professional response that is ready and waiting, but we all need to work together. Owen, you mentioned about staff. I think we just need to again acknowledge the extraordinary efforts and contribution from our staff in the NHS and care system. I am worried, however, that whilst the virus itself had reduced during the summer months, for the NHS, of course, we've carried on with many of our routine activities and reintroduced care. And perhaps it's telling that in an area like critical care, which is full today, it has actually been full throughout the response at this stage. It has just switched its care between coronavirus patients and patients coming in for planned surgery. So maybe that just gives a little bit of insight into the way in which the NHS has carried on with its duties and responsibilities. Thank you for that. You talk about mitigating actions, and I know decisions about imposing any kind of restrictions are one for ministers. But in your professional opinion, would a so-called circuit break lockdown or measures help the NHS in any way? Does the data you look at suggest that could work? When we were preparing the NHS back in March and April, of course we wanted to ensure that the NHS was going to be in a position to respond to any of the peaks that we were expecting at that time. And as you know, the changes that we put in place really in matters of days were unprecedented at that time. I have the opportunity within any process that's under review by ministers to make sure that the pressures on the NHS are understood and they are considered. It is obviously a more rounded assessment of the way in which coronavirus affects all sorts of sectors and society in general in Wales. But our learning is that there is a need to try to keep ahead of the curve at this stage. So those will be, as you said, Owen, kept under review by ministers, by the First Minister and by the Cabinet, and there are assessments that are in place even during the course of this week. I think the most important thing is to make sure that if we are concerned about our ability to maintain care and services that as back in March and April we need to ensure that we are able to protect those on behalf of the population in Wales. And I'm sure we'll see some emerging decisions over the course of the forthcoming days. Thank you, Owen. Just to move on to Owen Phillips from ITV Wales. Can I continue with what Owen Clarke asked there in terms of pressures? If admissions continue to rise at the current rate, at what point would the NHS be unable to cope? Are we talking a couple of weeks or are we talking months? So, again, we all need to just keep an eye on the data that evolves. I'm obviously looking at this on a daily basis and able to make some judgments. It's clear that the system is already describing pressures, and whilst we have capacity available across Wales, you will see the impact of some individual health boards needing to make some decisions on behalf of their populations. So, as I said earlier, Owen, the fact that critical care is already needing to expand out into some of the additional clinical areas like the need to use theatres in some areas of Wales, inevitably has a knock-on effect where we see areas like across Cwntaf Morganog where some very exceptional decisions have had to be taken in order to protect patients and care within the hospital environment, inevitably that has a knock-on effect on the other routine activities. But at the same time, there are other areas of Wales with low community prevalence who are still able to get on with pressures. So, it's always very difficult to call when the moment is, but if I say that we are currently half the level we were at the peak and this virus in terms of some of the international experience can be seen to be doubling every couple of weeks or so, then it's quite possible without seeing some mitigating actions so that within the next month we would see the NHS in Wales under pressure. Having said that, do you remember that our level of preparation is very different from where we were back in March and April? We have commissioned 5,000 additional beds that can be provided, both in terms of NHS capacity, but also field hospitals. I have just this week mobilised the NHS in Wales to make sure that any plans or proposals for field hospitals could be used perhaps earlier than was expected given the current way in which this virus is developing. Can I ask, we have seen some COVID outbreaks within hospitals as well in several hospitals in Wales. What changes have you made in terms of policy in light of those outbreaks to protect staff and patients? Indeed. I mean, your emphasis on the protection of staff and patients is the key one in this and any actions being taken forward for any individual hospital need to reflect the seriousness of the situation here. The fact that these are visibly being described in the public domain is important. There has to be transparency about the pressures that are being experienced in these areas. As I said earlier, one of my concerns that is inevitably areas that have a very high level of community transmission is going to see some impact and implications for the way in which hospital services are provided. We have obviously learnt about the virus over recent months. We have used other experiences around outbreak management both in Wales and across the UK to ensure that we can put in extra actions. There is an action plan that we are able to bring in through the outbreak control teams where Public Health Wales have given the evidence base for the kind of actions that need to be introduced. Now, that is about stricter infection control mechanisms. As you will be aware, the NHS already has a very strong infection control process. We have to tighten the environment within the hospital environment particularly to make sure that social distancing is being maintained. That will be true across both staff and patients. We have to enhance our cleaning procedures and also it may lead to some suspension of services and hospital admissions. But we build on an experience over many years of dealing with infection control. But this is still a virus that surprises us in terms of its ability, particularly in closed settings, to find an ability to transmit across to other parts of hospital and healthcare environments. Diolch. Thank you, Owen. I am going to move next to Adam Hale from PEA. On the Dr Gozel, will a travel ban on people entering part of Wales, not lockdown currently, who are coming from areas of the UK with their own problems with COVID, have any effect on the ability of the Welsh NHS to operate? Well, as you know, any approach to how we would limit travel would be a consideration for ministers, Adam, and the First Minister has been clear on his views over these recent days and requests that have been made. We are very clear in Wales that as part of our management of concerns about high levels of community transmission, that we are putting in place local restrictions so that if a local area is put into those restrictions, people should not be travelling out of area other than when they have reasonable excuses. And I think that probably emphasises what the Welsh Government policy is on this, is looking to limit some of those travel arrangements. We know that when there is social interaction, that is where this virus is most likely to develop and it is trying to limit those opportunities and for people to think really carefully about the times that they do need to carry out some of those activities. The First Minister will continue to review that process alongside the Cabinet, and if there are mechanisms that need to be introduced in Wales, I'm sure that will be taken forward. From my perspective, I would welcome any actions that help us to have a control over the levels of community transmission and particularly help us to make sure that we are able to protect and support the NHS in Wales. Thank you. When did you first hear that a circuit break was being advised for Wales and the UK? Is that something that you want to see happen? We have professional advisers within Welsh Government and also across our system in Wales, including expertise in areas like public health Wales. The circuit breaker concept has been part of thinking over some time in terms of if there was a resurgence of the virus, how would actions take place? So it's not a new concept, but obviously over the last few days we have heard a lot more discussion about it in terms of whether these steps were necessary. Now, we would all hope that those types of extra steps would be not necessary to take at this stage. Again, I would revert to say that that will be part of the political process in Wales with Welsh Government through the First Minister and Cabinet needing to consider the balance of evidence that's available. But certainly, as you'll be aware, there are a range of professional views that would both support that approach, but equally there are professional views that may feel that that is the wrong step to be taken. And I'm sure at the moment that the First Minister will be taking active consideration of this and I know that he'll be using the professional advisers that we have both in Welsh Government and out within our system more broadly. Okay, thank you. Adam, I'm going to move next to Mark Smith from Wales Online. Good afternoon, Mark. Good afternoon, Dr Grisall. First, would you be able to give us an update on the current testing turnaround times for NHS Wales staff? And have there been any problems in getting, particularly frontline staff, timely results to allow them back on the ward's treatment patients? There's a mixture of results that we work away through from some of the mass testing arrangements right through to how the public can have more rapid access in some of our outbreak areas. I'm going to be a bit limited about what I can probably speak to you about, but maybe we could pick that up outside on some of the numbers. But in terms of some areas of control that we have on the NHS side, for example, I do know that over the last week of over 8,000 tests that have been undertaken in hospitals, and that can relate to both patients and staff. About 82% of those were turned around within 24 hours or so. I also know that with some of the community and the mass testing that's taking place, again, that feeds into our figures, that I think over 75% of those have been turned around within 24 hours. But that would not give you a complete picture, so perhaps we can offline just provide you with some of that information. But it is actually published on a weekly basis, Mark. Okay, thank you very much indeed. And secondly then, based on many of the sobering statistics you've given us, coupled with the growing waiting lists and the ongoing pressure to continue with normal activity for as long as possible, do you believe this second wave is going to be more challenging for the NHS to manage on the first? Well, Mark, you've been at these press conferences and asked me questions before, and I know you and your colleagues will have asked earlier on this year whether I thought that there would be a second wave. And I think I was quite consistent in believing that unfortunately that was very likely to be the case, and certainly that has driven our planning from the NHS system on the things that we've learnt about and that we can do better on, but also on the level of capacity that we need to have available should it be needed. I think I've already said in my introduction that I think this is going to be the most personally challenging period that I would have seen in my own career, and I'm sure that that will be duplicated across all of our fantastic staff in the NHS and the care system. We will be focused on wanting to respond professionally and focusing on the needs of the Welsh population. I think there's a combination at the moment of things that we need to understand and work our way through. We know that the winter is in any case a very challenging period for all sorts of different reasons. We see different types of patients coming in, often driven by age and underlying health conditions, and we have to accommodate and respond to that. We clearly have the impact of coronavirus at whatever stage it is, but even if it is at a more residual level, inevitably it has some impact on our services. We also have to look at the upcoming flu season, and obviously we have an annual vaccination programme to protect the Welsh population as much as possible from that, and we don't know yet how difficult that will be in adding on to additional pressures. The good news is that there are some signs that perhaps the flu season elsewhere in the world maybe hasn't been as severe as was expected, but if you just think about the fact that we are all taking steps to adopt hand hygiene and socially distance, that actually affects the way in which flu would spread itself as well, so that's the focus of areas. Of course, from a planning perspective, we're also needing to respond as both government but also as the NHS in Wales and the care system to the end of the calendar year where obviously we will have EU exit arrangements that are in place as well. I think even as I look back over 30 years of working in the NHS in Wales, that's a bit of a mix of all sorts of different pressures that we need to work our way through but could provide quite a difficult context I think for this winter. Okay, moving next to Dan Bevan from LBC. Thank you, Doctor Goodall. Good afternoon. Going back to the topic of lockdowns, if you don't mind. What would happen to the NHS if there wasn't another form of national lockdown, whether that befire breaker, zircher breaker, as it's been known, or just another long-term solution as it currently stands? Well, if we see cases increasing as we've seen over the last two, three weeks or so, then clearly, as I said earlier, increased positive cases in a community will translate to a higher number of hospital admissions to critical care and will have other implications for the way in which we organise and manage our services. So this is not just speculating on what would happen. It's actually what we've learnt over the course of the last six months in particular. My reflection, Dan, would be that when we were working to ensure that the NHS in Wales wasn't overwhelmed, as much as we took some extraordinary decisions to put in measures that we'd never considered before, like the doubling of hospital capacity, for example, to make sure it would be available if needed. I've constantly emphasised over recent months the enormous impact that the population had by following the measures, the actions asked of them, and also the restrictions in place. So when we saw the peak happen in April, one of the reasons that peak didn't continue to increase was because the Welsh population worked with us. They supported the way in which we wanted to discharge our NHS and our care services. So it will be for the First Minister and Ministers to determine any additional steps required. Obviously local restrictions in Wales at the moment are there to have an impact and to make sure that we're able to mitigate and manage some of the current pressures. But I will await the outcome of that alongside other colleagues, but I do have an opportunity, as I've said, on my views on capacity within the NHS. They're actually part of that very balanced decision that I'm sure the First Minister will make. Thank you. And one of the purposes of the first national lockdown back in March was to prepare for the peak that we saw in April. Now, we've long known that there was likely to be a second peak during the winter. So as things stand, is the NHS in Wales ready for winter? And if not, why? Well, four weeks ago, the Minister for Health and Social Services launched the Winter Protection Plan and that is the framework for how we want to oversee and coordinate our services for the next six months. That involves our normal reflections of what we need to learn about the winter experiences that we have in the NHS and recognise that we have patients who are accessing services in many different settings. We often focus on hospital side of areas because it's very visible. The NHS has a responsibility to provide services during the winter in many different settings, particularly in primary and community settings as well. So I think from a preparation perspective, we can only use the scenarios that we have worked our way through. We can only put in the plans, but I would suggest that the scale of the capacity requirements that we're putting in to have available if needed during this winter, normally we would be putting in place around 500 additional hospital beds that are under pressure. The fact that that is 5,000 beds I hope would give the Welsh population some reassurance about the level of planning that's going in at this stage. But it's going to be very difficult, Dan, to continue to measure and monitor that because, as I said to Mark earlier, there are a combination of factors that are rather unusual for this winter period. But what I do know, as I said earlier, is our NHS and care staff will want to respond professionally to the needs of the Welsh population. I'm going to move to Amelia Shaw now from the Daily Post. Hi. We've heard members of the public say that the only reason cases are rising is due to the increase in testing and that for this reason lockdown measures aren't necessary and people won't adhere to them. What do you say to those people who are skeptical about the virus gaining momentum? As I said in my introduction, there is absolutely a factor in capacity available now which allows us to be clearer about how we manage outbreaks and the higher levels of community transition. So we are able to use the test-trace-protect mechanisms to ensure that we're in a position to coordinate the response that is necessary from stakeholders and agencies. So the increase in testing clearly helps us to have a broader understanding. But having said that, I think the translation that I've tried to outline here today of the way in which those community cases are hospital admissions and into critical care admissions and I have to say sadly into deaths and we have seen a higher number of reported deaths just over this last seven to ten days shows that there is a change I think about the way in which the NHS is having to respond to this. So my worry is in an area like critical care that whilst I said that the number of coronavirus patients have been stable over the last couple of weeks I personally feel that it's inevitable based on our experience before that we'll see those cases quite rapidly increase two to three weeks. So I would really ask the population to look at some of the description some of the numbers that we're sharing about the impact on the system and whilst I appreciate that there will still be concerns that this virus does not have the impact there is nothing different about this virus from when we experienced the peak in the first place it still remains as dangerous and can have a very serious and significant impact on those that are very affected by it and I think you only need to see some of the stories presented from some of our clinicians in Wales about the personal experiences that they've seen to really understand that. Thank you.  Well Amelia, I've already said to other colleagues this afternoon that clearly the process of deciding whether there will be anything different in Wales above local restrictions would be a decision that would be taken by the First Minister alongside the Cabinet and they will be actively reviewing, I'm sure whether there is a need for those types of measures. I've personally been impressed with the way in which organisations have come together in north Wales have been able to review and understand the data and to make decisions that were necessary and it was very telling that there was an opportunity that whilst north Wales measures were necessary but there was a shared discussion that took place with ministers and actually with local stakeholders to make recommendations on behalf of north Wales and that included obviously some separation of some areas of north Wales that did not have the highest level of community prevalence so I would hope that from a government perspective there will continue to be ongoing discussions but inevitably it all depends on the way in which the virus continues to develop and if the numbers increase then we have to make sure that we are able to head those levels of increases in order to make sure that we are able to provide good and safe care particularly from the NHS. Amelia, thank you very much and then a final question from Thomas Moody at the South Wales Argus. Good afternoon You mentioned earlier on about the backlog in routine operations and services are you concerned about the effects that this is going to have of these continuing to be pushed back? I am concerned I wanted to outline in my introduction about some of the impact of what the last number of months has meant I'm an operational manager by background so I absolutely understand the difficulties of trying to ensure that patients access the care and treatment that they require whether that's in a theatre environment with the clinical team or whether it's in an outpatient environment or indeed needing to access other services in primary care I think our focus over the recent number of months has always been pretty clear from a government perspective we've tried to describe that there are four areas of harm that we're trying to manage and respond to as part of the coronavirus response and that is translated into an operating framework that I've given to the NHS obviously to make sure that we're able to respond to those patients who have coronavirus and ensure the system is not overwhelmed the second is to ensure that there is an impact on other patients in our hospital settings and our broader system because of coronavirus itself the third is actually to make sure that we can respond to the harm that may be caused by those patients and individuals who can't access the normal range of services whether that's as an emergency or for some of our planned operations and the fourth harm is to make sure that we're able to consider the broader impacts and the longer term harm caused to health for example if we see difficulties around employment rates or difficulties around education so I think we've always had a very rounded approach we have actually made a progress on waiting times over the last five years and tried to ensure that that was a real focus of our actions that were in place in the NHS but in six months that progress has been taken away and as I described earlier I am personally concerned about the size of the waiting times and the waiting list and we clearly need to have a plan for what we do next but Thomas this will not just be about what we do over the next six months and during the winter this is actually going to have to be a much longer term response as in other areas of the UK in respect of NHS services about how we restore and allow patients to come back normally within our system but we have to continue to try to do that with a backdrop of COVID-19 Okay thank you and also I just wanted to ask about what the PPE situation was for NHS Wales staff and sort of how far through the winter are you prepared for at the moment I think our PPE supply chain is in a very good position at the moment clearly we have a responsibility to ensure that PPE is available to discharge a safe environment for our staff but of course to discharge safe care to our patients in all of our different settings and as you know we had changed our PPE distribution processes to make sure that this wasn't just about the NHS and our different sectors of the NHS but that we had extended that to the care sector also at this stage so we have provided around 370 million items of PPE to date about half of those actually in the social care sector we currently have about 181 million items in stock and we have over 300 million items on order but by the end of November and I was really pleased to receive this update in an NHS board meeting a couple of weeks ago we expect to have 24 weeks supply by the end of the month by the end of November which will give us a really good supply particularly on the critical items of support and if I can compare and contrast that with where we were earlier in this response we did actually find some other items getting down to just a few days' worth of supply so I think having 24 weeks really puts us in a very strong position for the winter and that was a key part of our winter protection plan that was announced by the Minister just a month ago okay thank you very much Thomas for that question that brings us to the end of today's session Jochun Barriang, thank you very much


Hey, what's going on? I am Greg Sussman, joined today by Tom Vecchio, a FanDuel. We're here to break down opening night in the NBA. I'm trying to win a million dollars here, Tom. It's right, it's opening night.  We had a two game slate, so let's go. I'm excited, man. I opened the FanDuel basketball fantasy DFS app. Like, I'm trying to fill out my lineup. You're gonna help me win a million bucks.  I am excited. So let's begin with your top play on the board. You're going with the highest price player on the board. And that is LeBron James. I don't know if you're gonna try to get LeBron and Anthony Davis in the lineup, but LeBron's your number one guy. How come? That's right, getting both of them into your lineup could be a bit tough because we're dealing with limited value. You'd have to go superstars and scrubs for that. But I like starting off with LeBron, getting a player that can get a triple double into your lineup. Now, as the season goes on, we could certainly see LeBron sit a few extra games, play limited minutes, but it's opening night. We want to be taking the best player on the planet in our lineups. That's where we want to be going. We shouldn't see too much of a change from last season. They added a few role players. They let a few role players go. But last year, LeBron had a 31% usage rate, still produced 1.47 fainting points per minute. I'm not expecting much to change. I'm spending all the way up for $11,000 for LeBron James. $11,000 for LeBron James tonight. Going out to spend his crown. You say there's no value there. We're gonna talk about value here in just a few moments, but LeBron James, lock him in there at $11,000. Up next is some of that value because one player that we know is not playing tonight is Draymond Green of the Golden State Warriors. Draymond's out, which means Eric Pascal is probably going to get the start. And he is just over $4,000 as a starting power forward tonight. Pascal had a really nice year last year, filling in a lot for Draymond Green and his Indian Warriors team. You like him tonight. Exactly. This is one of the values that we do know, something that we can be counting on. And a lot of those things, as you just said, are what I really want to bank on for opening night. Last year, Draymond was out. We saw him step into the lineup. Last year, Pascal had a, what was it, a 21.5% usage rate when Green was off the court. Now, we also have to count for the fact that Steph Curry was also off the court for the entirety of last year, except for a handful of games. So we're not gonna see that usage rate up at 21%. Again, it's probably gonna drop a little bit, but we have Pascal projected for 33 minutes tonight, going for about 26 fainting points. And we need the value on tonight's two game slate. So, you know, we can't talk about all stars today. We can't talk about all value playstay. We need a mix of both. And Pascal should be that guy. We need to find value. Pascal's under $5,000. He's a little more than I thought at 4900, but he's gonna start here for Draymond Green. But I do wanna throw it back at you to another power forward eligible Golden State Warrior. And that's Marquis Chris, right? He's priced at $4,400. We're not sure if it's gonna be him or James. Why's he in the starting lineup? But Chris is also a value here at this price now. Yeah, absolutely. I'm waiting more for the starting lineup because we also have to consider Kevin Looney in there at center. Now, Kevin Looney, I would say, has a lower ceiling compared to someone like Marquis Chris, but we're worried about the starting and we're worried about the minutes for those two players along with Wiseman. So there's a lot of moving parts going on. We wanna focus in on Eric Pascal as number one. And I'd be certainly willing to go to Marquis Chris as number two. Yes, Eric Pascal, you're number one. Marquis Chris is number two, but you can't necessarily go with both of them here, Tom, because Kevin Durant this year is listed as a power forward on Fandalo, at least for right now. He's $8,500 tonight as he makes his debut as a member of this Brooklyn Nets team. You wanna lock and load Durant in his return over some of these other value guys. Why Durant here this evening? Yeah, so Durant, I wanna say, is gonna be my lock of the night. Might be a little bit of a hot take, but Durant is $8,500. If we have the ceiling that we know Durant can bring, he shouldn't be this cheap. So I wanna say that this is probably one of the only times we're gonna be able to get Durant's under $9,000. We know throughout the course of his career, he can easily be $9,500, $10,500, $11,000, or whatever it might be. So yes, a new offence, getting involved with Kyrie.  I really don't care. Durant, $8,500, I'm locking him into as many lineups as possible tonight. Maybe it's a little bit of a narrative streak, but Kevin Durant is back, and you wanna play him, right? At $8,500, if he could be Kevin Durant, well, that's a heck of a value for you tonight on Opening Night. That's it for us here on the Fandale Hurry Up. Tom, I am excited. I'm excited to do it again tomorrow, man. This is, let me ease back. It's football season, while I get stuff right now at Fandale. Thanks so much for the time. Thanks so much and good luck tonight. You too, my friend, tomorrow. Join us for another edition of the Fandale Hurry Up as we're gonna take a look at week number 16 of this NFL season. We're talking about you. I'm Greg Sussman. Thanks so much for watching, and I'll see you back here tomorrow for another edition of the Fandale Hurry Up.


It happened. It actually happened. Russia launched a full-scale attack on Ukraine and, like all of you, I'm trying to process this information and I'm closely following reports from journalists on the ground, but all of this just feels so unreal. It feels like a fever dream. And if you live in Ukraine, it's got to feel like a complete nightmare that you wish you could wake up from, but this is real life. This actually happened. We're witnessing history unfold and it's going to lead to catastrophic levels of death and destruction. And it's difficult to even try to condense all of this information. By the time that I filmed this video and uploaded to YouTube, what I'm saying will already be outdated, so keep all of that in mind. I just want to point out some things that I think are really noteworthy that I think you should pay attention to first and foremost. Attacks have been reported in all parts of Ukraine.  The Ukraine Health Care Minister, Viktor Lyashko, is reporting that Russians are striking hospitals. Russia has captured the Chernobyl power plant. Russia has reportedly seized Snake Island, which is about 25 miles from Romania. And Romania, mind you, is a NATO state. Not good. Not good at all. So just to kind of show you what's happening here, there's a CNN reporter who's on the ground. So he was at the Antonov Airport and he's reporting as Russian troops and Ukrainian forces are in the middle of battle. Take a look at this just so you get a sense of how terrifying this is. Right in the middle of the fighting. Matthew, tell us what you're witnessing there. We've come out of the center of the Ukrainian capital Kiev. And we are here at the Antonov Airport, which is about 25 kilometers, 15 miles or so out of the center. These troops you can see over here. Stand up, Lewis. These troops you can see over here, they are Russian airborne forces. They have taken this airport. They've allowed us to come in and be with them as they defend the perimeter of this air base here, where helicopter-borne troops, these troops were landed in the early hours of this morning to take and to form an air bridge to allow for more troops to come in. You can see these are Russian forces. You can tell they're Russian. I've spoken to them already. You can tell they're Russian. They've got that orange and black band to identify them as Russian forces. I've spoken to the commander on the ground there within the past few minutes and he said they are now in control of this airport. And within the past few seconds, just before you came to us, they were engaged in a firefight, presumably with the Ukrainian military, which says it is staging a counter-offensive to try and take back this airport. That reporter is a very brave person.  Now, I don't know how Russia is going to be able to wage a sustained war in Ukraine given that their economy is in freefall, their stock market is plummeting. So I don't know how they're going to do this and that's not even taken into account the new round of sanctions that the United States and other countries have announced. Here's what President Biden said just a couple of hours before I recorded this video. We've now sanctioned Russian banks that together hold around $1 trillion in assets. We've cut off Russia's largest bank, a bank that holds more than one-third of Russia's banking assets by itself, cut it off from the US financial system. And today, we're also blocking four more major banks. That means every asset they have in America will be frozen. This includes VTB, the second largest bank in Russia, which has $250 billion in assets. As promised, we're also adding the names to the list of Russian elites and their family members that were sanctioned as well. Yeah, so things are escalating rapidly and it's just, I don't even know what to say. I'm supposed to be a political commentator and provide you with political commentary, but like all of you, I'm just watching in horror at this situation and I'm hoping that this all ends soon. Now, we're going to catastrophize here, just a forewarning, but before we do that, before we start talking about how bad things could get, they could get really bad to be clear, much worse than they are currently. But before we start talking about that, I do want to give you a little bit of hope, because there is a substantial amount of Russians on the ground in Russia who are speaking out against this imperialist war. As I said in reports, some Russians are protesting Putin's attack on Ukraine despite a total ban on protesting and immediate heavy crackdowns from riot police. Here's a gathering of about 200 in St. Petersburg. Now at the time that I record this video, about a thousand Russians who are protesting this war have been arrested and I just want to put this into perspective for you. Russia is a brutally repressive authoritarian regime, so they know that speaking out and being against this imperialist war is going to lead to them being punished harshly, but they're doing it anyway, and that really is commendable. So good on them for protesting this. Let me show you a couple of videos that have gone viral of people in various cities in Russia protesting this. Good on them. I think that the world needs to send a unified message. This is not okay. Not okay. Imperialism is bad when any country does it, and this is an unjustifiable act of aggression that is just, it has to be condemned. Now let's catastrophize a little bit because something that Putin said should stand out to a lot of people. So he made a very disturbing threat as he announced his imperialist and illegal attack on Ukraine. So, quote, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a speech announcing a military operation in Ukraine that the countries that interfere with Russian actions will face, quote, consequences you have never seen the Associated Press reported. Now pause. What do you think he means by that? The subtext is nuclear warfare. The implication is that I will use nuclear weapons if you intervene, if you put boots on the ground in Ukraine to try to fight off our aggression. Now it's not just that the countries who he nukes, assuming he were to follow through on this threat, would be damaged. Using nuclear warfare would trigger a nuclear response. So, you know, this mutually assured destruction has been seen for a while as a form of deterrence because if one country uses nukes, the other is going to use nukes. So, you both destroy each other, so there's no incentive to use nuclear weapons. But for Vladimir Putin to say that, understand what he's really telling you here. He's telling the world, I alone will choose to unilaterally end all life on the planet if you choose to get involved here and intervene because that's what would happen. If nuclear war breaks out, that's not just going to be a war between two countries that will ruin the planet. It's a very, very high likelihood that all life on Earth goes extinct, especially considering the way that nuclear war, nuclear weapons rather, have evolved. So, when we used nuclear weapons on Japan, the nuclear bombs that we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 15 and 21 kilotons respectively. This was catastrophic, but the nuclear bombs now are bigger and more powerful than what we dropped on Hiroshima. So, the Russian Tsar bomb is 50 megatons. So, Earth almost certainly couldn't survive nuclear war. So, whenever a leader starts making thinly veiled threats for nuclear war, they're telling you that unilaterally they're willing to end all life on the planet if you come at them. It is truly reckless and insane and people need to pay attention to this. Now, I want to put a cap on the catastrophizing because it doesn't seem like it's going to come to that at this moment. Things are changing very quickly. The situation is volatile, but Biden is seemingly not going to put boots on the ground in Ukraine. He is sending more US troops to Europe and Germany in particular. But at this moment, it doesn't seem as if the Biden administration is going to directly confront Russia. But things can escalate and take a turn for the worst fast. So, pay attention to that because whenever we start seeing world leaders talk about or hint at rather using nuclear bombs, they're saying they're going to end life on Earth. That's what that means. It's incredibly serious. That's not hyperbole. Now, I don't want us to start feeling sorry for ourselves and think about our own destruction and annihilation because right now our sympathies have to lie with the Ukrainian people who are going to deal with one of the worst things that you can deal with as a human being. War is awful.  And they're going to be dealing with this. I mean, how many Ukrainians will be displaced? How many currently are trying to flee? There are images of traffic jams all throughout Ukraine as they try to flee the country. And we have to be ready to accept Ukrainian refugees and do what we can to help these people whose lives have been affected by this senseless and aggressive war. But some people are trying to justify Russia's actions here, which is insane. You can't justify what's unjustifiable, but people are trying to do it. Imperialism is bad, period. I feel like this is easy, right? American imperialism is bad. Russian imperialism is bad. So what I want to do is show you a couple of tweets from people who I think made really good points because now is not the time to both sides this situation or do what aboutism to justify Putin's psychotic actions. As leftists, we have to condemn imperialism and this is an imperialist war. So as C.J. Werlemann puts it, Russia killed 2 million Afghans in the 1980s, killed 200,000 Chechens through 2005, invaded Georgia in 2008, annexed Crimea in 2014, killed thousands in Syria since 2015, invaded Ukraine in 2022. But somehow, many can't speak to these facts without saying what about America, and he's right about that. You don't have to do what aboutism. American imperialism is bad, obviously. If you're a leftist, you should be against that. But that doesn't mean that, oh, well, my country does imperialism so I can't speak out against other leaders doing imperialism. Citizens don't have much control of what their governments do nowadays, especially when it comes to authoritarian dictatorship. So the Russian people, many of them are watching in horror, if not most of them, as their leader does the same thing. So that imperialism is bad. We can aggressively and unequivocally condemn that imperialism. That doesn't mean that we're endorsing U.S. imperialism. All imperialism is bad, and so the way that so many leftists are wavering and just incapable of condemning this imperialist act of aggression is mind-boggling to me. And some have tried to justify the situation by saying, well, you know, there's Nazis in Ukraine and the United States government armed Nazis. And these are facts that are undeniable, yes, but Vash made a really important point about this. He said, man, I couldn't place that familiar feeling I get when Russian fascists use the existence of the Azov battalion to justify the slaughter of Ukrainian civilians until I remembered how Israeli fascists use the existence of Hamas, and he's right. The existence of Nazis doesn't mean that every single person in that country should suffer as a result. I mean, we have Nazis in America. Is an invasion justified against us? Of course not. So, you know, we have to stop being so afraid to condemn what is very obviously egregious. This is a war that will cause inconceivable levels of death and destruction, and it's truly sad. My sympathies lie with the Ukrainian people here. This is all because of one individual.  His economy is not going to survive this, and if it does, it'll be severely damaged. I mean, this is going to plunge them into a depression, most likely, at least that seems to be the case, and he's doing it anyway. So this is truly just madness. It's insane. And in no uncertain terms, we have to condemn this as leftists and not just as leftists as human beings. War is terrible. We have to absolutely do everything in our power to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia because that wouldn't end well for the human species. But of course, we have to try to prevent Russia from doing this. We have to try to get them to pull back, and that means you sanction oligarchs and Russian banks, and you try to put pressure on his regime to stop. The whole situation is really depressing, and I'll continue to follow the situation. I'm not really going to try to keep you updated. My goal isn't to kind of let you know moment to moment what's happening here, just to kind of give you an overall sense of things to pay attention to. There are really great live streams currently that you can watch. There are news broadcasts from journalists that are on the ground that you can watch right now. For me, as a political commentator, I can't really do much, then kind of echo the same sentiment that you're all feeling right now. Terror, confusion, fear, depression, I feel the same exact way. But I think that one thing that we can all agree on is that this imperialist war must be condemned, and Vladimir Putin is an absolute bloodthirsty psychopathic war criminal, and this is not okay. And anyone who's trying to justify this, they are imperialists. They are war mongers, no different than the neo-conservative war hawks in the United States like John Bolton or George W. Bush.


Item number, SCP-274, Object Class, Keter, Special Containment Procedures. Any buildings found to be infected with SCP-274 are to be reported immediately to a superior and the leader of Mobile Task Force Pi-1, City Slickers. MTF Pi-1 is to incinerate cases of SCP-274-1 and secure the infected buildings by forming a quarantine with a one kilometer radius under the guise of the local police and fire department. MTF Pi-1 is to terminate any cases of SCP-274-2 through the use of high pressure fire hoses. Civilians insisting on entering an instance of SCP-274-1 are to be detained and have one Class B amnestic administered. Any apparatus used to contain or handle SCP-274 should either be incinerated or entirely composed of metal or glass and washed thoroughly immediately after use. The cover story for a containment breach of SCP-274 should be gang-related arson. Description, SCP-274 is a paint of variable color. Buildings inflicted with SCP-274 appear to have large amounts of graffiti covering the sides of the building and often have large disturbing designs to them. While its consistency is that of normal paint, its composition reveals it to be 28% hemoglobin, 12% gastric acid, and 60% common components consisted with Krylon brand spray paint. When SCP-274 is applied to a wall, it will begin to spread until it has covered the wall and any walls attached to it. SCP-274 is unable to spread on metal, glass, and horizontal surfaces. While SCP-274 spreads on buildings, it will convert the interior of a wall into a large mesoglia, the interior walls into a gastrodermis, and the exterior walls act as a protective shell and epidermis. Buildings coated entirely with SCP-274 will become cases of SCP-274-1. SCP-274-1 exhibit signs of life, react to stimuli, and behave in a manner similar to many species of the Anthazoa class. Buildings converted into SCP-274-1 lure passing civilians by emitting noises from inside SCP-274-1. Examples of glass breaking, loud coughing, or pained whimpers have all been reported from D-Class personnel. It is currently unknown whether SCP-274-1 or the SCP-274-2s are responsible for this behavior as the noises stop immediately after entry. Typically, civilians rather call the police or investigate the noises themselves. This subject's search inside SCP-274-1 will be recognized as food by instances of SCP-274-2, if any are present. When a victim enters a room inside SCP-274-1, barring the entryway, they will immediately be suctioned into a gastrovascular cavity belonging to SCP-274-1, later processing them into SCP-274-1, and one instance of SCP-274-2. Specimens of SCP-274-2 are organisms composed of SCP-274 that appear as men or women wearing a gas mask or respirator, along with a bright pastel colored hoodie. SCP-274-2 is able to support its heavy weight by its thickness and density in its membrane, which consists of 45-50% of the mass of SCP-274-2. SCP-274-2 act as nematocysts for SCP-274-1 and can disguise themselves by merging into the walls. This is done by heavily compacting themselves and implanting itself into an interior wall save for their mask, which flattens around the wall and disguises itself as standard graffiti. This behavior has proven to be a means of ambushing food for SCP-274-1 and will only react when it detects something it considers a food source. SCP-274-2 possesses a hinged operculum that ejects SCP-274 located in the right hand. This operculum looks identical to a normal spray can and can project SCP-274 in a similar manner. SCP-274-2 will attempt to spray SCP-274 into the eyes and mouth of its victims in an attempt to incapacitate and encapsulate them. This method of attack has shown to be very painful and will blind and numb the victim from the neck down. Once tagged, the victim is placed into a gastrovascular cavity, resulting in a new SCP-274-2. SCP-274-2 are able to duplicate themselves while inside an instance of SCP-274-1 and will produce one new SCP-274-2 every 24 hours. Once 12 SCP-274-2 specimens reside inside one SCP-274-1, further cases of SCP-274-2 will leave SCP-274-1 and find a new building to spray with SCP-274, while avoiding any people they may encounter. Once a building at least 2 km away from another SCP-274-1 is found, the SCP-274-2 will spray SCP-274 onto the building until it has completely dehydrated itself of SCP-274 and dies, resulting in another instance of SCP-274-1. If left unchecked, it is estimated that SCP-274 could cover a large city within 20 days. Addendum 274. SCP-274-1 appearance log. Date found. 01-2001. Appearance. SCP-274-1-1 is painted to resemble a large bus with the number 1 on its side. The front of the bus has been replaced by a human-like face and the back is on fire. Bus patrons all look towards the front of the bus and do not seem to react to the fire. Date found. 04-2006. Appearance. SCP-274-1-2 is painted to look as if it's crumbling apart. At the base, people are illustrated to be running away from SCP-274-1-2 and a face can be seen forming from the falling rubble. Date found. 03-2010. Appearance. SCP-274-1-3 depicts a beach with three sharks in the water and several people running from the shore. This scene is illustrated behind a large cartoon tiki statue which takes up most of the front of SCP-274-1-3. Date found. 08-2011. Appearance. SCP-274-1-4 illustrates what is presumed to be Noah's Ark at sea. The creatures boarding the Ark do not match any known species. The Ark is depicted to have a face with several sharp teeth and eyes devoid of pupils or irises. Date found. 11-2011. Appearance. SCP-274-1-5 depicts several figures in level 3 biohazard suits at the base. Figures are seen fighting each other for what appears to be a bottle of hand sanitizer. Several cadavers are piled on top of one another in the background, with a large green cloud in the shape of a canine-like face emitting from them. This face is shown laughing, presumably at the people fighting. Date found. 07-2012. Appearance. SCP-274-1-6 is painted to resemble a mausoleum, with a large human skull painted on its front. Illustrated at the base of SCP-274-1-6 are figures suffering from advanced stages of rigor mortis. Most notable is that several figures appear to be wearing the standard-issue tactical armor distributed to MTF-PI-1. Date found. 08-2012. Appearance. SCP-274-1-7 is decorated with the scene of MTF-PI-1, setting SCP-274-1-7 on fire through the use of Molotov cocktails. A large depiction of SCP-274-2 can be seen attacking MTF-PI-1. Date found. 08-2012. Appearance. Data expunged. Operatives dead, as a result of a large mob of SCP-274-2. Lesson complete. If you missed the previous orientation, go watch SCP-273, Human Phoenix, right now. Or for the complete course, watch this playlist.


Mesenchymal stem cells, MSCs, are a valuable cell type used in clinical practice as therapeutic agents for immunomodulation and ischemic tissue repair due to their multiple differentiation potential, strong paracrine capacity, mitochondrial transfer, and microvesicle secretion. However, challenges remain before widespread clinical application, including the need to explore and understand the in-death paracrine mechanisms of MSCs. This article was authored by Xiao Tingliang, Yu Ding, Yu-Ellen Zhang, and others.


I think I will start now. Like last year, we did a little buff on ideas and things we could do, so I would like to repeat that because we actually got something useful out of it last year, namely render profiles which is waiting to be released with the next version of Lintian. I have put down some possible topics we can debate when you're free to well to propose your own. So are there anyone who wants to speak about any of the topics here? Want to know more about those or have a topic to propose? There? Maybe another. 14. So if there are any suggestions or ideas, what Lintian is? Okay, I suppose I could give a short run on that. Lintian is our static analysis tool for checking packages for common sets of errors. It is currently used on upload to check for a number of FTP master object text which actually objects packages with these tags in them or these laws. So it's a tool which is quite helpful for most maintainers to find out if they have made a common mistake or a serious mistake in their package and it detects a right range of things, not that, but it detects a range of things from spelling mistakes, common ones to share things like package mileage, I mean broken packages to missing fields and possibly missing fields. So we have our, is that a question the Lintian extra one? Because it's also in the top. Right, checks requiring internet access. I am inclined to believe that would fall on the Lintian extra as would checks requiring or using the up cashier or packages files on the system. Although the idea is great, we did have a suggestion for using the up cashier for checking broken dependencies or so. Basically one of the design choices in Lintian has been that we do not rely on the system state in most cases, almost all cases. So they would fall under Lintian extras as a non-official Lintian check most likely. That or they would fall under the static analysis framework where you would be able to use the banners that we would refactor part of the Lintian code. So you could hand our code package, we would unpack the required things you need from it and you would do your own check, which does not have to comply with outputting a tag or so. So one of the new, there was a question? You mentioned there multi version and architecture support. So in the in the past there have been a few checks that we've been unable to perform because we're essentially only checking one thing at a time. So it's difficult to check for things like file conflicts between packages that don't conflict with each other, for instance. Is that something that you're thinking of gluing into the same framework? You're saying with the architecture saying the multiple architecture? Right. So that's processing modules at the same time according to your gobby notes. Could that extend to the text of what's happening in parts of the archive so that Lintian could do more accurate checks on the interactions between packages as well as on packages themselves? Yes. To clear, let's say how, the multiple version architecture support would be not for archive wide scan. What I had in mind here was if you hand me the old version, the old version, and a new version of a package, it could do, for example, file conflicts due to files moving in the upgrade, but it wouldn't be for Lintian devian.org. But there was actually someone who proposed that we did have the stable version of all the packages, and then we would also do the upgrade test from stable to unstable as the same way of handling that. That is actually a valid point we could put on a layer. Now, multiple version of Lintian architecture support also includes a part that some people use as a merge changes tool to merge multiple changes from multiple architectures into one changes, and then just doing one upload. In the past that worked, but after I added group processing, it broke horribly. In the past, it has worked because Lintian was doing things in the right order for the wrong reasons, and it just happened to work. But this would be actually giving official support for it. And if combined with a static analysis framework, perhaps we can do even more sophisticated checks, although not on Lintian devian.org, or not as a part of Lintian, but people in this room might set up some check using this. So are we getting something? Among the other ideas I have gathered is this, the last one here, about using a domain specific language. If you happen to have looked at the Lintian source code, there is at least one of the checks, which is a huge loop consisting of a thousand line loop doing if file matches something, some regular expression, or is in some list. We would like to see a dependency. That must imply dependency, or else you get this tag, or you have to do this, or that, or together. So there is a potential here to refactor a lot of the code while writing a fairly simple domain specific language, which hopefully would cover a lot of the cases and simplifying a lot of checks. And for the rest of the cases, we would fall back to the standard code we're using now. That is awesome idea. Analyzing bitlocks for common potential problems. There you go. Yeah, there's a bug of report on that. I don't think Lintian could support that reliably because it involves analyzing locks, which have a variety of different output formats and whatnot. But I think we could add that under this as an application for a static analysis framework to do that. That being said, I wouldn't rule out patches that could use something. But most of the severity of things are static. So when we start the run, we can't change them to be more severe. Yeah. It's an easy way to get all build logs of the Lintian run from the Lintian build. It's just a matter of great queries. Certainly. But it's, I'm not certain that the other Lintian maintainers will approve it. We'll see. Yeah. Lintian isn't allowed to depend on that network because you want reliable results. You want the same results every time you run it. And if there's network services involved, you probably might respond with something else and you get different results. And that's not in the aim of Lintian. So the reason I want to have the build block analysis in Lintian is that we have very different places currently where we analyze build blocks. That's on the build list, on a case-by-case basis. In IA64, we do reject some package uploads by warnings. Did? Okay. And we do have some issues with passing build flags due to the compiler, which does not happen in many, many packages. And we do not have a place to catch these issues. And if I look at the output of Lintian, I think it's the correct place to do the checks. To have all these checks does not on a C-flex or does ignore some warnings from the compiler to have them together with the other Lintian warnings. And I think it's a very fundamental thing to have. As one of the build team maintainers, we also would like to have some thing that checks it and maybe rejects or not uploads to package-based warnings like IA64 used to do, but it doesn't do anymore now. I think it's not an issue of the build team maintainers. It's an issue of the package builds and to have a common place to collect these warnings. So just, well, I would like to see Lintian not, well, that you have the build logs as an additional resource and have the results presented with the other results. Okay. Lucas has one. So I agree it's important to have all warnings and errors about packages displayed in the central place that the maintainer will see them, but I'm not sure if abusing Lintian for that is a good idea. But the problem is that if you, when you run Lintian on a package, you get to see the warnings about the package that you just, that you are working on while you would see warnings for some things that you need to, which you need to upload the package to get it fixed. So from a Lintian maintainer point of view, the problem in analyzing build logs is that it's not really a part of anything. Currently, we check their packages, we check source packages, which is basically the DSC file from where we extract the tab balls we need. Adding, sort of injecting a build log into the source file, which source package would be the central, the best place to do it. Because else we would analyze log for each binary package. It's still difficult to do that, injecting it, at least in Lintian itself. I am again thinking a lot here, referring it to the static analysis framework and search, including external data to be injected together with it. It's not, obviously not going to end up checking your package when you upload to the Debian archive, it's not going to, well, end up in Lintian Debian. They're all unfortunately in that way, but it's currently my best guess if I look at it. It's back on DPKG where we're considering adding, storing the build log and listing it in the changes file. So, in theory, it would make sense, but unfortunately, I fear that the interest is going down in this because once we have throw away depths that we upload and that all the builds are rebuilt, all the other packages are rebuilt on the server side, it's not going to be interesting anymore. So, I fear this bug will never be fixed. In theory, it would make sense for Lintian to also check the build logs if it's associated to the source package via the changes file. Yes, if that part was done, we would technically have access in Lintian terms to the log file and we could use the group processing part to analyze the log or just the changes itself. From there to actually doing it, I see a couple of problems personally with actually doing it reliably since the output moment can be very different in some logs. Well, some logs just say compiling file and that's it. You get a list of files compiled and you don't get the actual command line run. So, in that case, we would be better off passing the entire build system of upstream which is not entirely trivial either, but yes, we could look at that but I would wait till we actually have the logs with the changes file for that. Another thing I could bring up is this part here with getting more developers. Before I joined, there was over 200 bugs rotting on the BTS, now we're down to 192 for bugs rotting. So, if you're interested, we do need man powers, especially we need diverse developers. So, a common thing among Lintian developers appear to be the Duperl and some of them are either on the policy team or in the release team but we have very few Python developers or actually from a lot of teams, corner teams and that also means we don't know the internals of all the policies for the teams which makes it very hard to write reliable checks for them. So, if you are working on a team and you feel your checks or policies are not there you could feel free to join us and we'll try to help. So, who did this one? Could you explain what you mean with this? Do you hear me? Kind of, give an option if you know that you are breaking a law or a rule but you have to do it for your internal packages to install software in opt or whatever and to have a global override option so you can apply a specific kind of pattern to your packages and just ignore some stuff. I am actually very pleased to tell you that with the profiles you can just write a profile that makes it ignore the given tag so with the new linch and release coming in to release that actually ought to be solved. Okay, cool. Is there anyone here considering to do a linch and divin.org setup because we have been, I know of other than linch and divin.org we have some derivative, a single one doing it would help from Ross directly but is that something people are actually interested in doing? There have been a couple of attempts to do lintyandodderbridge.com for the obvious reasons. I think that the last person who tried to do it wandered off at some point. I don't know whether it still possibly got stuck but do you know if there's anything on Ubuntu wire at the moment? There's nothing on Ubuntu wire currently. The main thing that has been blocking me is trying to get away to get some of the hard coding that are in the harness script rearranged so that I can run them in an arbitrary location cleanly and safely. Ah, okay. The documentation from the previous person was useful but incomplete. Okay, so if you're interested feel free to follow up afterwards and we can look at it. I have been working on cleaning that part up actually. We have here a code that is called is about according to I think we had a part of that, yes, last year with the scope of lintyand I can't really remember what the outcome of that was. I don't suppose anyone here remembers. Okay, I'll take that back with me. But there is a chance that we will, actually the CPP check we will probably just leave as it is because we already have a separate service doing CPP check already so there would be not much idea in doing that. And I think the other one after CPP check I think that's one SAG is working on. I think you would fall under the static analysis framework at least we have mentioned that idea to him. But, so, quick quality. Okay, any other ideas, useful things that you hope lintyand could do for you? That lintyand doesn't do, something lintyand does it shouldn't do? Do you find lintyand useful? Well, that's a start. That's a neat something. So, should we start working on box now that there's nothing to do? Okay, that's one. I have to admit I didn't check this before asking that. Is there some guy that explained how to write lintyand checks? And the second part is probably we need to make the process of writing lintyand checks as easy as possible. The idea of having a specific language is good, in my opinion. But in general everything that makes it easy for people who don't want to understand all the things that make lintyand works they should anyway be able to write tests, for example for their team, for their language, for what they're doing. I'll just jump down to Nurnia. I think we should be really pretty... I don't know if there's been much work on a DSL so far but I think we should be really pretty careful about taking that approach. You'd often find that writing checks involves... You need general language facilities quite often. So you need to use... Maybe not all the features in Perl, that's probably impossible but you need to use an awful lot of the standard features of a language in order to implement a check properly. I'd be a little worried about ending up with a DSL that wasn't useful enough for writing checks until you got to the point where it was a bit as complex as Perl where you basically had to embed chunks of Perl into it. I wonder if beating up the library is a better approach to that. Are there people who are trying to write lintyand checks who are just scared of writing Perl or find it very difficult to write it? That's very loud. I only ever wrote one check but I didn't find it very hard. I'm not a Perl okay, I'm not a Perl wizard, but it maybe took me an afternoon to go from, oh I should write this to send a patch. I think it's not... I understand that empty people's experience might be different but I don't know, my experience was okay that there was enough hints and document. Anyway, for what that's worth. Yes, I also wrote one of the lintyand checks more or less recently and if you are hanging out on RSE in the DBNQA channel, Nils usually is around and very helpful and responsive and including the tests, it also didn't take me much longer than a day but yeah, I know I have quite some experience myself so I'm not one of the Perl's. Right, as usual writing the test takes the majority of the time as usual for a test-driven program but I think the original driver for that was being able to embed fragments of checkiness into policy and then being able to extract those automatically out into lintyand. I don't think that's ever really got past the stage of an idea but I think that's where the idea of a DSL came from. Okay, that might be it. Actually on the test I am pleased to announce we got around over 70% coverage now of all tags 80% if we look at the old legacy test as well but we're actually progressing thanks to people including tests in their patches. Are there anyone here who would like to work on a check? Have something in mind that lintyand could check for but it doesn't do and they haven't submitted a bug report for it? I do might have some ideas but I just don't get lithium right now. Are you scope and design, for example? Limitations in our design and such? I don't get it. I haven't read anything about it. Right, that's not what you can do there. But refer to come talk to me afterwards. Another thing I happen to know is that we have some won't-think bugs against lintyand which we leave open for the sole purpose of well they are a good idea but lintyand cannot do it due to limitations or design choices. So have anyone actually checked it out and considered implementing some of these or do you think it's a good idea for us to leave them there? I just had a question. Does the lintyand team look at overrides in the archive? Sorry? Does the lintyand team look at existing overrides that package maintainers have added for stupidity or for whatever other reasons? I am not sure how many are checked so actually in that department I think we are trying to be relatively civil. I don't know, we don't have the test upstreams but it's a big file for IBSC which was I think filed by Ganneth a while back so I don't think we have any of those. No I mean are you... Are the lintyand maintainers looking at the overrides that people have added to their packages to figure out why they've been added and whether it's just because the maintainer dislikes lintyand or because there's an actual bug or... Oh you mean the patches? No the overrides. Oh no, overrides. We accept overrides at face value. In fact when I have looked at the lintyand deepend.org occasionally I have found packages where I suspect the maintainer simply just fills the overwrite file automatically from a running lintyand. I didn't check the rules file it might actually have a sample I can produce but I didn't check. But sometimes you see a list of overrides and you think this one is a two click thing you can fix in the description. It shouldn't be too hard. What do you think should be done about such people? Well I have to remain professional. You on the other hand, go ahead find a bad and... Now I mean I don't understand then desire to automatically overwrite everything in it if you don't care what the lintyand says just upload it as it is and if it doesn't have any fatal tags you can largely ignore it except for your peers might knock your head off with whatever warnings are narrow as it shows up but... So a follow up to that is there a way to put a comment associated with an override? No, long standing wish list item actually and I did try to implement it once but I ended up giving up on it but it is on my to do this somewhere down there but yes, here you can add comments in the override itself but we don't extract them so the problem is they don't show up and they can do it all for example Any other ideas, proposals? regarding the overwrites and others? Alternatively I can sell the part where we implemented the new profile stuff that overwrites in some cases can be ignored we have done this for the fatal overwrites fatal algebrajects so when you run lintian the common version of lintian will not allow you to override fatal tags in the standard dbn profile so you should actually see the same output as the fdpmasters radio on On this item here that is a good idea but we actually have quite a lot of bugs in lintian itself to fix so we are actually not very active in contacting outside people actually in relation to that it says in the lintian manual we will file bugs so you shouldn't do it unfortunately that is not as true as it sounds so if anyone is interested in working with filing bugs based on lintian tags maybe I can hook you up with something to do it might have been there is the possibility of taking the serious tags with a certain severity extract those from the lintian files and then check those packages that have that particular tag and just autofile it if you are interested in doing a script like that feel free to drop by also it might be useful there is a question if anyone wants to do that, talk to me because my own archival script could help in not filing duplicate bugs can you write a line here for the notes that would be great no I just thought about it at that point too any other ideas? I didn't suspect as much okay, you have a question one last idea for ideas about how to get ideas for new checks read the devian mentors list and review packages and you'll find lots of problems that possibly aren't yet checked by lintian I'm already following the devian mentors list I'm not actually reading mails to actively anymore unfortunately as it is we already have a lot of checks request for checks filed against lintian.org I tend to work on the easiest one to keep the bug count down which looks prettier it's not because I don't like the other checks particularly but it's just a question of keeping it down and keeping my motivation up actually going looking for them for extra things is a little like shooting myself in the foot right now if you feel like helping, you're free to check these and come up with the suggestions usually it's not that hard to the simple case is usually not too hard it's three or four lines of protocol so that is very welcome also the tag descriptions could use a lot of updating occasionally so if you see people not understanding the tag descriptions blog reports and that is very welcome as well incidentally if there's anyone working with pearl and translations translating tag descriptions was actually last year and we haven't worked on it so if anyone's interested in that we could also have a look at that in that case I don't really have a lot of things to do other than keep asking you for more ideas I guess if there's nothing else I will just end early thank you for this