Hello, and welcome to EFAP MIDI super chat catch up for episode. Oh, no, I don't even know what the number is What is this? Who'd be 20 would be it was before the glass onion shenanigans. It was new Yes, that's right Is oh, yeah, that's true and just for for everybody happy 2024 everybody You More than a month in at that point probably Where are you and what are you talking about? It's the next year. Ah, when it's I'm You do be traveling. Yeah, do be do be do All right, let's kick it off first one is where is Jay? Are they safe? Are they all right? Yeah, Jay's doing great as far as I'm aware. Hi. In fact by the time this comes out They may be a new Jay video. Oh, yes. Yes, there may be one that you guys will likely have interest in I would say to you they recently a Jay and Metal did their coverage of a measure of a man, which is a famous TNG episode. Is it not ragu? It is very famous. That's right Yes, because I've been doing there are going Star Trek coverage. Yes As for Jay on the old Fappens Not sure exactly what the next episode may or may not be who knows will likely be waiting for something that they wants to cover We shall see next up is happy new flumpus Loompus is that is that a regional holiday? Well white It's a well, okay. Maybe that was a new thing. The very least it should be Absolutely You think the wound stayed on Thor because in 2018 when we threw the axe in the lake and the world serpent ate it and spat it back Out it was imbued with the venom of the world serpent. That's weakening Thor. Happy new year. That's the theory That's interesting. I Think it says Eater imbued or something which is the world serpent venom An episode 10 of season 4 when Brienne is yelling. Ah, yeah, it totally sound like she's yelling. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah well Oh, yeah Yeah, I Had a Jay and Wolf listing movies moment with my apprentice. He hasn't seen any Arnie movies Star Wars or GB GBB GBB no GB GB be probably not great Britain I feel no, that's not it General Gorn Good, I don't know Yeah, good boy. Maybe And loves current Marvel movies. Happy new year. Well, get on. Hi.  Oh Gosh Don't you think it's Which one? Why do you think? Why does the Sun hate doctors and medicine?    The whole finale doesn't concern him at all. It's so yeah, he's uninvolved Here's my daughter still alive. I could say goodbye.  What do you call a flaccid flash drive a floppy disk? Oh my goodness.  Love you Moodle Fringo you sexy. Hello rags. Hi Wings quote of the day regarding a potential boxing match do dude. I'm 15 years younger than boogie I would beat the brakes off that boy He probably would Yeah, well, I think so. Yeah, I think about it I keep thinking about how fragile the both of them are right like If a hard hit comes in or one of them gets pushed over I could imagine they're not getting back up It's a tough one. Maybe it's much in the same way of like master chief versus Samus it could be just a matter of which one gets that that jump on the other Because you know you sort of think about a clash of the Titans in that way when you think of wings and boogie Definitely clash to the Titans the Giants I've also had to do jobs that require physical labor. I'm in much better shape than he is even if a little bit heavier right now All right, I still think people would pay out the nose to get a get a boxing match between those two The starving people had their chance. Well, this relates to but yes, I Hope we got a sequel to a liter based on the manga, of course, I Don't know that that would happen. I don't think that film made enough money Definitely sequel baits. So then it has like a whole Well, cuz there's a hole. Yeah, that's right. You got but I mean it had yeah budget about 200 million made about 400 million It's probably not good enough Yeah, Edward Norton's at the end of his knee. He is. Yes is the big bad But yeah, it didn't make enough money, I don't think who well Even gets to do anymore, right? Oh why 20th century studios such I don't like that name. I Really don't 20th century studios. Yeah, instead of 20th century Fox I don't know what it is 20th century just doesn't feel right. I Don't know. I couldn't tell you what I like or dislike more. They both sound fine to me You save a lot of ink with Fox though more the tiebreaker here What do you want to do give my take or judge the arguments that have been put right now? Definitely give you give your take mine. Yeah 20th century studios sounds more generic than Fox to me Yeah, I think so too. It does sound more generic I look forward to every EFAP I find these discussions super insightful been using them to shape a fantasy story I've been working on for six years now you guys finally inspired me to sit down and write happy new year to you beautiful nerds Here's to many fleams. Oh, thanks sitting down to write is the hardest part. So keep at it. Yes Happy new year Dumbo's crazy to see how far EFAP has come also the new year brings a bunch of new chances to play DDLC So do it. No, that's true a whole new year. Each one is an opportunity every day every hour Could be one that we spend playing DDLC apps The real question is whether we'll do it maybe Everyone do your best Fred Durst impression. I'd have to hear him again Yeah, I'm not super familiar. I'm afraid me Yeah, I'm just not familiar with Fred Durst, unfortunately if I was I promise that I do my best to do the best impression that I have Yeah Watching you for the middle of Icelandic wilderness as bear McCreery's all father plays in the background My friends have abandoned me this year, but the E of house FAP never disappoints. Happy new year my long massives Yeah, happy new year. We won't abandon you. Sorry to hear that.  Hope you're right At least you got a McCreery McCreery's music in the Icelandic landscape though. He posted a screen shot It's they need 100% of the game and just like I'm biased, but I like this game a lot Have you played made of scare it's a horror game set in Wales happy new year's massives No, I've heard of it. How do you pronounce it? How do the Welsh pronounce it? Well, I said it I guess Wow, you guess you don't even know. No I Words sker is not something that I find myself often saying so Right. So like if there was actually a different way to be saying it It's kind of just what what would you even or do you even run with as an interpretation? Hmm, I don't know how many ways you could say that especially like trying to involve what will be the Welsh It's almost like my brain almost wants to go to like Swedish pronunciations is a way to try Ran more about avatar to short metals forge bad I'm happy to forget the film. I'm fine with I'm done. I'm sure I will whether I want to or not I've it's not the way water was nominated for best picture at the Oscars. Yay But I mean black panther was nominated for best visual effects That's just like you take in the piss It's just because it's big Disney thing and I'll just get It's really awkward isn't it because everything ever all at once didn't get nominated for best visual effects And it would be like well the nature of the visual effects of that film leverage weren't as broad It's like that's not what the category means. It's not like were they big or were there lots of them It's like whether or not they were seamless, right? Whether the use of technology was clever or inventive and I felt like Plus like score and soundtrack plus like editing they pretend these things don't exist for animated films Yes animated films. Well, it's just there are only three animated films that have ever been nominated for best picture Though it's Beauty and the Beast that was the first time ever And then it was Toy Story 3 which means everything that no then it was up And then it was Toy Story 3 which when you run through the list of films That means Lion King wasn't nominated means Toy Story ones and two weren't nominated monsters in finding Nemo the incredible Shrek Shrek 2 Like there's a lot of films. Oh, I think the and spirited away wasn't nominated for best picture I believe it only got nominated for best animated feature It's just there is a bias I don't know if I'd even say it's a bias against animated films But rather just a lack of even recognition of animated films. It's like yeah, you'll get like your own category But like you don't get to compete with the big boys Yeah Which is really lame when if you were to look at the ratio of like especially if you're talking about these like Big animated films the ratio of good ones to bad ones. It's pretty good Like the ratio of good animated films to bad ones if you're looking at like the pixar sort of dream works Like it's it's not bad. Like it's a ratio at all Um, obviously if you look at it pixar up until 2008, it's like what one movie that was kind of okay cars and everything else was really great And yet, you know, none of that really Oh, and of course the fact that none of the aardman films have ever been nominated for best picture chicken run Wallace and Gromit never been nominated And it's weird because my my brain still kind of charged off of watching Puss in Boots, which was Like I love that movie So that's the relevant one, right?  But like it's the same with like the Lion King, right? It's like it's an animated film, but for some reason people don't think that it is It's literally all animation. It's an animated movie, but it isn't considered one Avatar has live-action people in it at one point. It does have live-action people That's true. It has people when there's enough characters I don't think that there's a single environment that's real though not a single one I don't know that there's a single shot in that film that does that visual effects I think the legitimately every single shot, which isn't a problem by the way It's just kind of interesting though But it's um, I guess that is pretty stark this year Right because if you would engage based on the types of films that have been talked about this year favorably Puss in Boots is like It's got some legs on it. Like it people are still talking about it. Whatever this video I don't know whatever whatever this comes out.  Because in terms of the the films that's going up against it's it's actually a fairly good selection Sea Beast is in there that movie was pretty cool. I haven't seen um Del Toro's Pinocchio, but I will And there's that's on our list to see Yeah, and and then there's also Turning Red, which uh It's like okay. There's always the obligatory Pixar nomination No light year though That movie just came to the web. Oh people. Yeah, it was just forgotten about that. I think I did Happy new year EFAP, please read Berserk one day Perhaps I shall I graduated both high school and college with EFAP to keep me company along the way Very thankful to the whole crew for a great year.    I think he said he enjoyed it Um, but I don't remember him having like much to say like that was super favorable about it Thoughts on the designs of these new pokemon flamigo Tinkerton tatsugiri and don dozo do you want to collect them up and we shall Yeah, go ahead and put them in the text thing and I'll give them a look here We'll see what's up Happy new year men frogs and dogs of the long Whoa very much Greetings your longness king molar of efap. I'm here to humbly request an unbridled slash critique of the Iron giant also rags. Please don't ban me I will not ban you unless you do something ban worthy, then you will be banned As for iron giant coverage, maybe someday Maybe maybe Completely missed the rings of power arc. If I was there, I would have super chatted. Wow, dude Mordor on episode seven ending.  Well part of the drama that would come from that Is going to be very specific to those people's relationship with one another um so It it's just it's super Yeah, it's just super contextual. I hate to give the it depends answer. I suppose you try and make every element of it. Um Meaningful to those characters slash the journeys either of them have been on like even The weapon or the nature of the speed of their death the environment they're in The reasoning for the kale. Yeah, the reasoning has stuff behind it Probably be like the most important I think I was from saying if you can get everything every element has something behind it that you can think and talk about And really good performances. And yeah, that's probably how you crank the dramatis the dramatic Theories on arcane season two teaser trailer. I don't think you covered it in the e-faps I'm happy with more van der and silco scenes. The writers mentioned on reddit coming in season two It'll compliment the sister story um There's not much to go on on the season two teaser. It's very limited, but I think there's Warwick sounds right, uh, he's in there. I think sorry, which is that's pretty exciting it Yet I was supreme leader arch um New years, I don't know if you Well, um, if you guys would like to is it not dragon here? um dragon Oh, I was kind of try and just Drag into okay. So this this is flamigo I don't think you're surprised Yeah, that's that follows looks fine. Looks fine. Looks like a flamingo uh So, yeah, that's uh That's it. That's all I got really almost feels like something's missing like they needed to poke them on it up a bit more Like you needed like a plumage on his head or maybe he needs to make him look a bit less Like just an actual just a flamingo.  I don't know fire decals Yeah, something. Anyway, that's flamigo. I guess it's fine. It's just a flamingo and I think flamingos are pretty cool So, you know, that's all right. Yeah, this is the next one. This is tinketon Uh Which I don't like at all. No, no, not a fan. I'm uh, I'm against tinketon.  Yeah, I guess The next up we have tatsu giri. This is tatsu giri Seems pretty chill It's a little He's a sushi fish He's a sushi See, this is the kind of one you want to have like hydro blast or something and it annihilates pokemon Oh, I like this one I want to know what he's got a little cloud, you know, does he float? Is that his thing? Oh, all forms have a white throats a white throat sack which resembles a bed of rice when inflated It inflates its throat sack to camouflage itself And the only thing that I can imagine is that it's inflating himself to blend in as sushi Which just makes him look like food It's probably not the best It's actually pretty bad camouflage, I would imagine It'd be like if if like a pig had camouflage that made him look like a bacon and egg sandwich Yeah My camouflage makes me look like random raw meat in the woods. Yeah A pile of raw meat All right, the next is don dozo He's okay. Don dozo's. All right. I think don dozo's. All right Definitely very fishy.  I'm all right with him I don't have anything against don dozo All right My favorite might be the sushi one. I think it's the sushi one. There's just something about him He's very quaint. I like yeah after that I I don't know if the flamingo gets to even count, but because it's just a flamingo. I like the whale I like the whale's pretty nice. He's all right The worst one is the one with the hammer Yeah, the easily the word though the hammer's dumb all righty Didn't hear building up my bass in daisy listening to y'all talk about rags nuts god. I love efep Yeah, I love Yeah Tainty scrote All right, Gucci tainty scrote Always nice to see john and das on here. Just add ross scott and you'll have all my favorite machinima creators in one place Hale chat or la rags Oh, hi I didn't even think about that.  So gmod that is machinima machine cinema All it means is that you're using a game engine to create like a cinematic experience? That gary's mod was probably the best I in fact Yeah, because like halo has always been pretty strong Though I will say it seems like the newer games have less and less baked in those features to make machinima There's viable It's all about the the valve source engine and the source stuff like people make full out movies and everything with them Yeah, no, it's it's really cool. But I mean the thing is is um, you see because like john still uses reach Um, he used reach all the way until the end of abby and the chief and it's like the reason why he kept using reaches because reach was Uh, as he said like the best the best game like of the halo series to do it for because like as it went on for did a thing where like Uh, I think the the whole thing of like the head bombing was a glitch that uh, the rooster teeth found in halo c e Where if you aim if you if you aim like low enough There's like a glitch where the character will aim down But his head is up and then like in halo 2 they just put it in as a feature halo 3 did a halo 4 did it Uh, no halo 3 and reached it but then in halo 4 when you walk the gun gets pointed up It's like oh that makes it like way harder Because like every time you want a character to walk they awkwardly put their gun up and pointed it whoever they're walking towards Um, and I think I ever have the ability to equip nothing so that you just didn't have If you equip nothing you I don't think that halo 4 did because in halo 3 it looks like it looks really weird Like it master chief is just sort of standing there with his arms out like he's ready to fight you Like it's not just him walking along normally It's a reason why like basically any machinima you saw would just have them with like a pistol or a plasma Uh, uh a plasma pistol is just less awkward But but I guess it's the thing is like um when it comes to games that are really good for like machinima Halo was probably the best one that didn't require you to essentially figure out animation for real Because like with gary's modern the stuff that dastard. That's just like full blown like 3d animation Um Which is difficult right like that's pretty hard. Um a lot of what he does is difficult and he makes you look easy He's got what I would call it. Uh, oh, yeah A lot of talents. Yeah.  I think so series I don't think I saw that one It was like dsp and he lived with this giant like demon guy I wish like chronicling their sort of adventures in youtube land Um, I remember that it was uh because it was around like 2012 2013. I think that was happening So it was a lot of references to what the landscape looked back then and it was funny That was there was this joke where dsp was just rambling for like Like 30 40 minutes about random bullshit.  Why did you just say a bad? Like why did you even suggest editing? Like the notion is so terrifying that dsp starts screaming to the heavens To actually like sit down and edit Because of course it's kind of funny right dsp has been a laughing stock for that long still going Well, yeah, because those came out about a decade ago at this point those videos and that was like That feels like it was almost at the tail end of just dsp clownery. You know, yeah But it wasn't he just keeps going. He's the gift that keeps on giving He just carries forth.  Don't fix it, right? That's that's by the way guys if you ever want to be like creative or something You should have the attitude of constantly. How can I improve this? You know what it reminds me of Is rubs You're gonna say scrotums.  I can't remember who it might have been but he comes in and uh calso is like Thoroughly impressed singing his praises.     Well nine. I didn't watch the ninth season. Um Yeah Never remembers the bread and then Fraser episode You'd have to yes Yeah, because I haven't I have not seen it. No What were you doing when I was watching tv rise you playing sports ball? Yes Seconding Gary's recommendation for watching venture bros excellent animated comedy with memorable characters also happy new year long men Yeah, I mean nothing but good things about it I haven't seen it I have seen some venture bros and I've really liked it Mola, please inform metal. He has dropped to my third favorite german and if he keeps up this tomfoolery He may lose the top five What are you doing? I don't know. He's metal It'll be anything Metal as much as I love metal. He's never gonna be my number one favorite german Uh, it's tough running. Yeah, it's really tough. It's it's it's really tough to unseat the classics I don't think that it was kratos in the mural that showed his death in every other picture His red mark is always shown but in that part it was never shown I think the older person in treas his arms was supposed to be Odin That would make a lot of sense. Well, that's that's an easy read, right? Is that the prophecy actually was like fulfilled Um, it's just that they misunderstood it That's with a lot of them. Yeah Well, it's an interesting commentary on the natural perspective, isn't it? It's just like you can be presented with the same piece of information But because of your own biases and insecurities it can just be like perceived as completely different from what it actually is Sonic fans have been very defensive of sonic frontiers on twitter. They cannot handle anyone rating it lower than the best game of all time As far as I know That's the same like there's just a huge cycle the sonic fans go through every time Well, what was it because sonic forces was the one that everybody thought was really bad I remember that much like nobody likes sonic forces even sonic fans don't like it or maybe there's some that do I think it's just the the problem is like I don't know man. Sonic has enough brand recognition the name recognition that something like frontiers It's like surely you should expect more polished Games than this from the sonic franchise Like the sonic franchise is not some little like middle market or like indie game. It's like sega's main franchise It makes a lot of money Well, I mean you I can believe it because what else do they really have anymore? Like super monkey ball Well, you think about sonic's reputation and everything Sonic is weird like as a franchise because it's the most Like bizarre weird cringe sort of Like with such a bad reputation, but at the same time It seems to make a lot of money deemingly just like how Well, it's kind of it seems like there's a divide right like the kind of There was there was old sonic and then there was new sonic and and like There seems to be like a stark divide between a lot of like a broad audience that really liked old sonic and a much smaller audience That likes the new sonic stuff I don't know that there are many people who look at like sonic 2 and go That's a lame game. I feel like everybody looks at that game and goes. Yeah, it's really cool and fun And like sonic's pretty cool as well He's just like this little you know He's like this fast running hedgehog with a little bit of attitude And then like it was sonic adventure that kicked off what sonic is now Like something that it almost seems like it's never been able to move past which is like late 90s early 2000s like too below that kind of shit And it's like that's what shadow the hedgehog is he is like a relic of the early 2000s Kind of which I mean I've often talked about how the 90s through to 2000s Like I really liked that era for media, but you had stuff like Like I just I guess it's I get what you mean they're rags It's like it's almost kind of fascinating that it's Sega's biggest thing But at the same time it's not because what else do they have What else does Sega make other than like I know that they've made a lot of stuff in the past But like how many of them are long-running franchises at this point. What else do they do? Mola, could you name one other Sega franchise other than sonic super monkey ball and Daytona? That I'm just totally forgetting first off. I wouldn't have been able to tell you super monkey ball and Daytona But There's that They make things I love that. It's just they used to make They used to make more things. That's the thing Does Shenmue count anymore because wasn't Shenmue that was in they published yakuza. I guess I got that um develop and publish that I guess that's the thing. It's just like I I don't know what else they do and they do anymore Some people like jet set radio Uh, yeah, but that was one game, right? I guess I'm talking like or are there more games than that for jet set radio I don't follow it.  I like that arcade game that game was cool Oh, well that game was on the dreamcast and then they poured it over to ps2 and game cube. I think um Everything that I've ever heard is that the dreamcast was really cool But it was doomed because of everything that happened in the years prior with like sega's handling of basatin and their x32 and everything They're like it was a console that was ahead of its time. It had a lot of really great games But people just didn't trust sega enough at that point Because that was like kind of before a lot of the companies had figured out the way that you do consoles Which is you make one and then you support it for like six seven years You don't throw in these crazy like peripherals You don't do these weird attachments where some games only work with those attachments You put out the console and then you just support it for the next six seven years and then you make the next one Whereas in the 90s sega was doing like the 32x and Like all of these peripheral add-ons and then satin and it's like yeah by the time the dreamcast comes out It's like are you gonna support this for longer than three years though? Because if not, why wouldn't you just buy it like a playstation?  Maybe sonic like frontiers 2 will be a more refined polished uh game Maybe that will be the one where it's like well, we tried this and sonic fans seem to really like it So we can just focus in on it smooth out like those, you know hard edges Figure it out develop on it. Maybe it will turn into something really cool I would like for more good sonic games because I do like the good ones. It's just I don't think that there are many of them They should make sonic mania 2 though That would be cool sonic mania was really fun Anyway next super chat If the argument is between joker Avengers civil war the dark knight spider vs and logan for best comic book superhero movie ever Which are you picking? What was the list again? Uh, okay, so the list is joker avengers civil war dark knight spider vs and logan. I would pick Joker if I was to be forced to argue in favor of it avengers. I think is is another one really strong Pretty strong. I guess and so far joker being a comic book movie though. Do you think that's yeah, that's what I mean My question if it if it's adapted from a source that is comics accounts, and I mean they've put it in the list, you know Yeah, yeah, I guess probably I It's so weird because yeah joker like joker's a better movie than the avengers, right? But they're so different and avengers just has this kind of Adventurous fighty all the superheroes come together vibe to it. I mean, there's way more variables in avengers That they have to deal with and they balance them very well I think the yeah difficult for me to definitively say like oh, it's obvious joker's better It's like oh no and civil war's got a lot of variables as well I think civil might have the one of the most variables out of all these maybe spider-verse has more because it's dealing with In the sense you could say that it has more variables because of multiverse But it's a much more focused story in terms of the characters. We've got three that we're really focusing on Yeah, um, I guess when I hear comic book movie Like as as much as I like joker and as good as it is it doesn't quite Fit for me in my head like maybe in a technical sense But it's not quite the same, you know In terms of not I don't know Have you not seen Logan? No, I haven't So I don't know. Um, I don't know I might that's tough. Um Best superhero movie Because if it was just best like what's the difference between saying best movie best superhero movie I almost feel like that's a qualifier of having a certain kind of Um, well it was best comic book movie not best. So like when you Yeah Right, that would be an eligible one. Well, no watchman. It's comic books superhero movies. What they said Oh Okay, then all right. Oh, well, yeah Joe is not a superhero.  So I'm just I'm I'm I'm I'm thinking if there's like another obvious choice That's been a supervillain in that or is he just a villain He's based on a supervillain. Yeah, like what qualifies you as a supervillain is he qualifies in the same way batman qualifies as a superhero Super about batman. It's like, well, he has really good tech and there's nothing about joker either. Yeah There's nothing super about. Yeah, and yet Isn't it kind of funny that the the most famous superhero and supervillain neither of them have superpowers I mean, you know across all iterations, you'll find joker gets powers Yeah Generally people don't think of him as having superpowers. No, they think the base stats are usually rich guy who has tech and crazy clown man Yeah, I just I just find that funny that the most the most famous one Like both of them are actually superhero or supervillain in terms of having powers I'm just thinking if there's another obvious choice that's been excluded from that list Batman returns What about batman returns? Yeah, I mean I It would be cool to do a list of like top 10 superhero movies Top 10 or Well, yeah, I'm wondering because uh, what what about like, you know, richard donald like batman. Uh, not batman.  How does that how does that sit on that list there, right? I mean, I find them quite enjoyable. I don't know how they that's the thing You're still getting weird to compare these movies because they're so different They are like, you know what the first superman against batman returns.  Anyway, would like these insane variables aren't juggled properly at all Yeah, I mean if I were like challenged to defend it as the best one I had to pick one of these as a from a set Probably feel the most confident defending joker I feel like that's the one that I can argue is the most airtight out of the selection Um, I agree. It's the most airtight. I might go with civil war or Yeah, I I kind of want to go with like civil war or the avengers just because I think it makes more sense to explain to people, right? Like it sounds like comic book superhero movie I can totally understand why you'd want to pick one of them instead of joker Yeah, and it's nothing against joker at all. It just seems like it's off doing its own thing almost and it's using that character But it doesn't feel like a comic book superhero Movie though in technicality. You could say that it is I don't know And of course, uh, all those are this is top notch Yeah, I really like that it embraces a style to it the dark knight and logan top notch of course Uh, but yeah, I feel like you could defend all of these guys You could defend all of those guys including logan and the dark knight Hi rags Hi, and happy new year to you all Thank you very much Rags, could you please tell us your best dad joke? Um, oh Gosh They just have to happen. That's the thing dad jokes. That's the part of the dad jokes if they're prompted They're not dad jokes. They just have to happen That's true. In response to some organism, you know, not organization, but to Like a response to a stimuli. The dad makes a joke. Yeah, exactly the context of the joke is as important as the joke itself Yeah, so by asking best dad joke, it can't be a bad or a dad joke I am chemistry of a dad joke Uh, also if dooma finishes top gun maverick would love to hear the continuation of the discussion from the forge with fringy That 20 minute take on movies hurts Yes, it does. He did he did finish watching it. Um, I thought it was terrible, right? Uh, I don't think he's no so the problem is that like Generally when I'm trying to say like if I think a film is like good or bad. I'm trying really hard not to Like like it would be really weird if I said like a movie is terrible five out of ten, right? That would just be weird Like for me, right? Because it's just um, yeah, I'm not I'm not quite sure like what he would I yeah, I'm not quite sure like what is uh, what he would say is like total perspective on that film was We only briefly talked about it Uh, hey, y'all just wanted to wish you a happy new years and say thanks for all the good times I recently started a new job that a crazy peak season seven days 12 hours for two weeks y'all streams help me keep me sane Sorry, help me help keep me sane. Thanks and Yeah, good to hear man. I hope you're all right and get that uh Them get them. I mean is that is that more pay you get for the peak season? Uh, I mean if you work overtime you automatically get more pay anyway Assuming that is over time here. I don't know.  It's like I argued with someone on twitter over Wakanda not sharing their cure for cancer and ability to fix disability He called me a classic colonizer classic Thinking you should share medicine. That's what the colonizer is. Yeah of all of your They were constantly being like we should share our scientific discoveries with each other for the betterment of mankind So like there's one country in the whole planet that has a cure to cancer and then everyone is like I think we're going to agree to invade it to get that cure and everyone's like wow, that's fucked up I'd be like, I don't know Is it is it really I don't know Seems like there's there's a different asshole in this scenario Happy new year everytism a question for all who wish to answer So we start the new year on a positive note. What is the nicest thing you can say about each e-fap host? Have a fun evening everyone The nicest thing that I could say about each e-fap host um What is the nicest thing that you could probably say about someone I feel like whatever I say isn't going to be the nicest thing. I could say because the nicest thing I mean it would probably be something relating to the fact that I think they have great integrity And that I respect them and trust them because of that I afford them a level of confidence that no one else really else No, very very few people have and that's due entirely to how they've behaved consistently over You know the years that I've known them and that's not something that you could sort of Cheat you can't shortcut your way to that. It's only born of it's like, uh, it's almost like exercising in a way You can't really cheat your way through that um So and it's just it's a descriptive mark of consistent good character But I think it's the nicest thing you could say about someone or is that the kindest thing you could say Um Pretty huge compliment. I would also reflect that upon you But See I would I I was going to say the same thing, but it's like, well, I suppose I should add a new one I think both these guys are super smart Oh To expand on I think that you have good methods of thinking which is more important than Oh, yeah, then um, then like strict knowledge I think that it's way more important than simply knowing a lot of things is to have a good means of like Passing through your own thoughts a good means of developing your conclusions Taking in information filtering it through whatever framework you have at trying to do so consistently To generate, you know answers like that's yeah, I think the both of you do that really really well I think you guys are funny Yay, entertain me uh in all environments obviously Imagine asking synthetic man that question Well, they're not jewish It's not a fair question to ask him to compliment his friends I have it. Oh, yeah, he doesn't have friends Happy new year if have here's to another full year of pausing every frame hell, yeah We pause all the frames I really need to stop eating during this game. Oh, we were playing uh garlic phone at this point This poor viewer is spitting out all of his food Definitely recommend games eating while there's garlic phone Um, hey massives happy new year first super chat here apologies in advance because this will be long I wanted to show my appreciation of how you guys have improved my ability to distinguish between good and bad media I'd also like to thank you guys for always entertaining me. My first evap was 34 and my second was 35 It was very refreshing and entertaining to see such a different way to look at media I started watching every mainline episode movies minis and gaming As of evap 150 and i've been thoroughly enjoying everything you guys make a couple of months ago I started watching all of the old evap movies minis games and mainline episode I recently reached evap 63 And it's dawning on me just so much evap content there is I've been keeping up with current evaps and can't get enough of you guys Anyway, sorry for the length, but I know you guys won't have an issue with that. Have a great 2023. Also high rags Hello Oh, that's really great to hear. I'm glad you enjoy it. It is kind of nuts. Um, because uh, it all cycles through just me I I uh, don't have anybody like sort of chopping everything up and putting it out but um We do I I think we do a pretty diverse set of content considering we're sort of Oh, absolutely Um Or evap movies the whole format, right? Yeah, and to be honest with you, it's it's getting insane how many evap movies have been recorded Versus how many released but I'd also say it's getting a little insane how many have been edited So don't worry you guys have got so many evap movies on the way evap movies are such a cool format And it's a fun format Yeah, our chemistry is really well to just watching movies live and bringing in people who can gel with us Yeah, it's a It's a really and and you know a lot of people like I would prefer an audio um commentary I don't know. I kind of like that. It's all in one go. You don't need anything going in You don't need to set up anything on you. Yeah, I really value that because I just generally don't watch audio commentaries Unless there's some kind of visual that accompanies it um, yeah Silence or boring things or just like not funny jokes and stuff. I appreciate people Sort of being invested in the idea like I'm totally fine with the idea of enjoying it and stuff It's just that uh, I find this format to be superior. That's all that I do too yeah um, but yes the They're already editors set on their arcs respectively that uh, you'll see the results of in as much as years to come it's kind of insane, but I was actually saying on the discord that I hope to get to a point where we have regular evap movie releases Alongside gaming alongside the main podcast alongside videos just come I'll figure it Uh, what is the n word for blue avatar people? Um, they should probably have something like that in the films, right? I'm sure they do right like they call them a particularly nasty word in the navi react to it Like it's gonna be smurfs, right? Surely smurfs I don't know if there's I guess do they use that in universe at all No, that's I don't think they ever will because it's such a meta thing dances with smurfs. Let's copyright it or maybe it's uh, they don't It's just a direct Park joke that it was a little too accurate. Yeah Um, I'm not sure we never see it. It's because the world doesn't have much grit world building It's it's just not a very uh, like especially when people are fighting each other people can say Some pretty harsh things about each other when they're fighting It's like one of the things that separates like war movies that feel really grounded and gritty with like The ones that feel incredibly tame is the fact that you know, people will yell things at each other when they're fighting I think um I forget in the gip the One in space in the future where they Or nice like the solar system the expanse. That's it. Uh, it's funny because what I just said applies to a lot of things But that is the one I was about to say destiny Um, yeah, they call people who live on the asteroid belt belt is brightness Earth is as well And that could that seems like it could either be a term of insult or just a description. It could be yeah Well, I think depending on nature A lot of the people who live in the belt actually refer to themselves as belt is like they just wear it As I'm pretty sure that they wear the belt with pride. I well, you know how I feel about people wearing belts So I I'm I'm pro that Yeah, um, yeah, I I wasn't gonna say as a derogatory necessarily. It's just um, I mean that I think as I said it adds flavor where you can come up with stuff that feels natural Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's a tough one though because You gotta you gotta you gotta work really hard. Sometimes they can be really endearing sometimes they can be embarrassing or like cringe inducing It's uh, like speaking of that I would we watched contagion and it's clearly is 2011. So they they're on the cusp of I guess, uh, the mainstream Yeah, and there is a internet type character and he's like he's talking about how different things are happening stuff And he says, you know, this is all over the blogosphere Oh, no I think it's um, one of them is when you remember an age of ultron when vision refers to the internet as the net It's like oof.  Remember the one when it was like, um, I think it was he was playing an arcade game And he he loses and then george hw bush says like drugs are bad Just starts kicking the video game character This is like, yeah, you could reference a president from 1998 through 1992 and it could be really funny What are you about to say the irony of that is that that is a more reliable thing to put into your Uh content that wouldn't make it age because there's a character who's clearly not internet savvy And uh says like they're aware of something that's spreading and and the way they just use is like it's spreading all over the internet and it's said as though It's like see they they don't really know the language, but it's like no, that's that's closer to what we would say Yeah, that's better. And it's just it's just yeah, it's kind of like um It's kind of like when uh, you know how like you have like, uh Films that will do like sort of fake parody versions of like existing social media websites That feels like another one that can really age a film For intelligence here Wow, that was that was less than a year ago Just edgy reddit.  That's it Yeah, it's funny because I think people will be like, yeah, she hasn't existed very long in real life and all of you guys hate her It's like, no, it's the show is terrible I hate the writing in the show not like the actual because the person doesn't exist. So It's not very comparable Thank you guys for so. Oh, well, yeah, and thank you very much for that message. I appreciate it I just enjoy Stuff that we put out here. That's what we're gunning for is to entertain and hopefully inform Thanks guys so much for another year of great content awesome guests and not so great media But some gems here and there love you all mootle you're gay Oh Yeah, there really are some gems here and there Yeah We got some good we really do watch there. There are good things that come out never forget it Making fun of bad stuff might be super fun, but there are actually legitimately truly veritably Good things that come out. So do not despair How much sports could an e-sports e if an e-sport could e-sport? It's a good question. That's a really good question for the elders of our society to figure out And good questions deserve good answers. Wasn't that what Jeff said Jeff winger? Yeah When he was running for president of the school Uh happy christmas hannukah solstice kwanza festivus and new years you massives. Thanks for another year of great content Thank you You know Thanks the first time I heard about kwanza because now you chatted you reminded me of that was in futurama The kwanza bot And he has a little pamphlet that explains to people what it is Because it's just one of like what the hell is kwanza isn't that what the yeah, I think that's what it's called.   I'm sorry. Oh, you woke. Wait, what? What if soy woke? It's not like a soy woke latte. That's gonna be something you can get a starbucks, is it? It's hard to keep track of everything it evolves so quickly Wow, especially nowadays. It's it's part of the reason why by the way I'm talking about the whole thing of like dating your film or tv show with references Just avoid it completely now Like anything anything that you use as like a as like a reference will be like dated in a year or two Like by the time that you film it in your script like you write it and then you shoot it by the time It's out. It might already be too late Everybody says stuff like oh god, that's gonna age polio. Oh, that's so like entrenched in modern politics or modern social issues Nobody ever says hey, where are the references to to cis and woke and and Racism and bigotry and stuff like nobody ever says like I need that in my Nobody advocates for it in your stuff.  That was Apparently, yeah, what was he cool? Murder machine, right? Is it meant to be like an evil batman robot it looks like Also, it's like an evil energy Uh, well, let's see what it says on like one of the dc wikis. Um So so that's what he looks like Uh, he's from an alternate like he's from a from a different universe um, he's one of uh Barbados is dark knights So in the multi this must have been recent and oh, yeah, this would have been because it says scott snider So that would have been the uh, the snider the um dark knights. No scott snider comic book writer. He's just batman Uh, yeah, but I think he's he's wait. Is he a robot or is he uh? Uh, oh no, I think he's just a person the murder machine Uh, he has cybernetic enhancements. I see The problem is that there's no like synopsis. I've just wow it is a synopsis of the history but not like a nice statement um Just a statement of oh, well this this is something that he said this is a quote from uh from this one You were wrong vic cyborg. The best thing I ever did was let him in I still remember the fear when they surrounded me. I realized quickly that my plan was not gonna work I would not be able to affect the program in time and when they grabbed onto me started to spread through my entire body I was foolish enough to scream in fear that was the first thing my father fixed in me It took my ability to feel fear away my ability to feel sad this You know to the point that I had to spend uh that I spent my life obsessing over my lost birth parents Ignoring the one who was right there in front of me Uh, I was free of that as well next came my weak human flesh It was growing older and more brittle by the day that is the quote on like the dc like wiki Which isn't very helpful in terms of uh I guess he thought that his flesh was weak and they needed to replace it with robot stuff to become cooler Oh, he's some real omniscience stuff right there Damn it. I had something that was relevant that I've oh, yeah Yeah, now I remember have you guys ever seen it was like uh, I think it was a thing that they ran in the 90s Where it'd be like you'd have uh stan lee there with like a comic book artist, you know at marvel And it would just be like them. I think answering like you know mailed in questions or or it was like um They did they talked while The artist essentially sat down and designed like a character from scratch and there's this one that has um it has uh, um It's todd mcfarlane the creator of spawn and um the guy who can't draw feet. What's his name?   What does he do for work or like what motivates him? He's asking all of these story questions And they just don't really have any answers. It's just that he's really cool and edgy Whereas like stan wants to dig it into who the character is and like what what he believes in and what he wants And it's just this really fascinating video where you watch the contrast in like The methodology that he had to creating characters versus the predominant methodology in the early 90s Which was essentially how do we make him as cool and edgy as possible? It's so fascinating. I should make you guys watch that. It's a really fascinating like Let's see a little video. Listen. Yeah, I want to h bomb a guy's videos from like five years back or something right It's just um It doesn't surprise me that stan lee Given the attitude that he clearly has towards building characters created so many characters that have an enduring legacy that people like Because it's so clear that like a lot of his thinking is well, what do I do to make them more human? what do I do to make them more uh empathetic or sympathetic Like what do they do that isn't their superhero stuff? Like what is it? What are they doing in their regular life? That informs their superhero life like, you know the setup for peter parker is like that's that's a really good setup for a character, you know Being imbued with a sense of responsibility And being so imbued with it that he does it often to the expense of his own personal life And that he often gets put in situations where he has to choose am I going to do the right thing or I'm going to do the Thing that benefits me and more often than not he chooses the right thing It's like that's a really good setup for a character It's no surprise that there's like so many stories about spider-man stan lee Spider-man's like the super relatable superhero. Yes, he's very quintessential base plate that you would introduce people the idea of super Yeah him uh batman as well I think mm-hmm Makes superman as well as another one as there's a reason why it's those three right that everybody's superman batman spider-man. Those are the three Remember everybody is not off. I want to just make myself be aware of this. I was supposed to be annoying me but Um, this will come out probably after the death space remake comes out So, you know, maybe it turns out that we're wrong on this. I seriously doubted though Um, there was a tweet that was showing a clip from I guess some of the stuff They've released where do you remember the part in death space where you need to collect? A shock pad and someone else to blow open a lock on a door essentially. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the earlier missions. Yeah um They're showing you enter the room and Hammond is talking about like the problems or whatever and then Isaac is like I can tell they've fashioned some kind of lock on this thing and that if I can just get This and this I can break through it and then Hammond says, um, you know There's a good chance that lock is there to keep not necessarily keep things out But to keep the end or something like that full vice versa um So I see that clip because there's a tweet surrounding it for criticism And I was like before I read whatever the criticism is I'll just see the clip in isolation And I was like, all right my criticism if anything and it could be a bias is just and I don't like the old Hammond new Hammond isn't quite You know, and maybe I just need to play the whole game before I should really judge that uh Old Hammond So to speak classic Hammond, I guess, uh, I quite like the desperation and the sense of Just trying to claw anything together to make it make sense in the game in the original game Yeah, when he seems a lot more confident and straightforward, which um I always got the impression that Hammond was really competent. It's just that this situation is so unlike Unlike what he's prepared for. Yeah Anyway, it was able to like formulate a plan. He's a little exasperated Sometimes he raises his voice when he's frustrated. Yeah, but like he has a plan He keeps things together do this do this go here go that I'll do this while you do that We'll meet up at this location. Like he's definitely a doer.  So so Hammond does talk at you in the original game Like in fact, he does talk at you because that whole city is an original game It's just that well, yeah Isaac talks now. Yeah, Isaac's the one that can now say the things that relate to engineering I think that particular I get the distinct impression that there are not going to be many additional Conversations the impression that I get in terms of the method they're going to have for the writing Is the Isaac just talks now in the conversations that already happened I think I am only extra conversations. We might get are between Isaac and Nicole. Yes Yeah, like whenever she sends me a radio like a message through the intercom They'll be like Nicole, you know, is that you don't I assume you guys notice as well as that It's um We talked out a lot in the game a lot of messages come through Plenty of uh, yeah, that's best.  Can we just like wait a little bit, please? Let's go to the thing and said to people forget the Hammond, Kendra, Nicole, Mercer and kind all give you explanations and instructions throughout the original I doubt they're going to have non-stop dialogue in the remake like this is getting weird and a lot of people Talk about like, yeah, the whole like shit on anything modern gaming is getting like really cringy What seems to be because of all the forespoken stuff It's like oh like I think I told you more there are people like I miss silent protagonists It's like like can we if it was well written Nobody nobody hated that Mamiya talks. Nobody was upset that Mamiya talked to you It's because he had interesting things to say the writing was good If the dialogue is good, you enjoy it I don't like does anybody look at like jack and ax to jack to and go man It was really lame when jack started talking. I feel like nobody had that perspective It's just like oh jack talks someone said to them like jack and ax talk to each other You hate dead space too then because that's when he started talking and then the person responded like no He didn't talk anywhere near as much as he's clearly talking in this remake Uh, he talks a lot in dead space too Do you see what I mean though?  Like it makes What is the what is the real argument against isaq not talking being the better choice? What is the argument that he doesn't talk it is weird especially replaying the game recently There are several moments where like he should seriously be saying something It should be saying something to nicole like at the very least It's kind of funny that nicole. Sorry kendra, um when when the game is progressing in the finale, right? She's like yeah, I I've betrayed the thing.   That's what we'll be looking at It'll be really cool to see him like well and especially because you know like when you go up to the When you go up to like the control room with nicole shortly after like kendra steals the ship And like every single screen is displaying all of this like marker text and everything It'll be interesting to see like what isaq says when he tries to you know, figure that out Like all of that information or just like how he's going to react to a lot of things, right? Like maybe he'll even have something to say about the whispering in his ear Like whenever he's walking around in new areas Even the smallest of changes man like Even the last of us, right? I was on doing the open bark hatch up and I was You know a lot of people saying I prefer the game version of sarah dying I prefer the But I've seen some people say they prefer the show vision, but I was just like to offer something like You know having that one line, but sir. There's a little girl. I think is an improvement It's so small, but it's so uh useful in terms of Letting you know exactly what the situation is in a more than subtle way because that is Absolutely what a person may say in that scenario and the soldier's not going to be used to killing people Then it's like on the other end Having uh Joel desperately call out for tommy when he's holding it, you know Bleeding it's like is that is that an improvement? It's like it might be actually I quite like that they put that in there because that's just Joel doesn't know what to do You know and he's calling out someone and then just having tommy just feel like that's that's it man.  It's like I don't know Everyone's so ready to say like are they shoving all the dialogue into a dead space one? They're gonna ruin it. It's like calm down.  It's all the same dialogue. Like it's all the same scenes, you know Like I get the impression that there's not going to be like additional scenes of dialogue That every single time it's going to be the same dialogue just rewritten now to contextualize what I approach it with good faith for fuck's sake, you know Uh, let I don't know. Can we give the game a chance for fuck's sake? Like it's funny. Can we just Just like give it a shot. I've seen the idea that it's like, well, Callisto protocol was shit So why do we have hope for this like why are you guys are completely different games? Smelled by different people and fundamentally this game is going to be built off of the framework Of something really good Whereas Callisto protocol seems to have only been in name only only been in name I just typed in dead space The sixth result is I have completely lost faith in this remake I the the one thing I've seen that's been particularly embarrassing Is people like, uh, the women they don't look as hot anymore. It's like, I don't know what I'm meant to do with that Sorry, man. I guess I don't know like I'm sorry that it happened. I hope you'll be okay. I hope you'll make it I don't know if this is a hot take or not But like the fact that like female characters in video games and male characters to look more like real people I prefer that I do. Yeah, I think I think it looks better I I buy these people exist more because it's just like, I don't know man You're not like a supermodel. You're not like absolutely symmetrical face. Like everything is absolutely You know, like narrowed into this very like narrow perspective of what you know, what people look like The more that we've What people send me messages about what you're talking about. No, it kind of makes more sense They're asking everyone's asking me what I think of what Nicole looks like in the remix that I hadn't seen Like the actress who plays her she looks like a woman She played her in dead space too. What are you suggesting? It looks like a real person Like it's just like isn't Isaac. He's not he's not young like Isaac is not like a young guy I'm pretty sure he's in the first game in his 30s. He's got grayish hair, isn't he in some parts of his hair?  He's fairly old Uh, all things considered It's just I I don't know what I'm meant to do with that where it's just like it's like first Well, she's not ugly like I think I think that if like you were looking at her and saying she's ugly It's like man your perceptions of like Like what you're doing what beauty is and like very very abnormal and like excessive I don't know. I would just rather cut to the chase. Yeah.  Oh my god The hideous. What is that? Just so the game what does that mean? Well, these are like the people who are coping by saying re larcen isn't attractive I yeah, but people still cope with that one. They still say that she isn't it's like I don't know what I'm meant to do with that I just think that that's I'm more than happy to agree if everyone's going to agree that we base it not on looks Exclusively we also go for personality traits. Well, sure, but I want people to basically caveat. Yeah, that's what I think the brief lesson isn't attractive But to be fair, I totally dislike your personality. It's like well at least you've rid of that caveat Kind of follows a bit more.  It's like a person that I can like imagine. Aloy looks very attractive Let's be that would be that would be the hyper meme as well.  You're insane. Yeah, you need to like stop watching Like the highest top tier most produced fake-ass porn you could possibly find and look at something that isn't just a Some I don't know cover girl model. It's like she's not wearing makeup.  Like, I don't know Like I prefer women without makeup.  She just looks older. That's it. She looks older than maybe Think about this it's an attractive possibly mid to late 30s. I guess I'm not 100 maybe even maybe early 40s Maybe yeah, probably early 40s It looked like gals listening to this if that if you end up looking like that man, you should not do bad Yeah, like you really I don't know. This is just a moment for me if you're gonna be fine guys It's gonna be okay. Let's let's let's take a look at their mechanics. Let's take a look at the sound design the atmosphere This is this delve into how they've changed the balancing on credits and resources, you know, let I don't care if Nicole Looks looks a bit older. It looks like an older version of the Nicole that we had Yeah, pretty much and and and if somebody like I don't see why you would bring I don't see why you would bring Isaac's voice back without bringing her back if she's up for it and willing to do it Like that just doesn't seem very fair to me at all And so like I imagine that there's that as well It's like, well, yeah, we'll bring her back and put her in the game too Just like we did with Isaac But people have been complaining about that too that Isaac looks different now I like I I don't feel like there's a real argument for that one either Like Isaac looks pretty haggard in like dead space two and three But that's after everything that's happened Like that's after a lot of really bad and stressful experiences Compared to like where he would be in the first game I just find it all very superficial. I guess that's like my problem with it's just like I don't know man. This seems like a weird thing to get fixated on Yeah, I would just prefer oh god. I do I do hate Discussions Yeah, can we talk about mechanics? Can we talk about the changes in the writing and whether we think that they enhance or detract from the broader experience? And why are we rooting against this game? I want it to come out and be really cool and then there might be more dead space games I think we all agree kind of there's a lot of good that can come from this being successful Well, I mean what we saw with right with resident evil 2 being successful is why this game even exists in the first place That's one of the cited reasons is that they saw that resident evil 2 was successful and yeah Well, like maybe it is viable to make a strict like survival horror game now does Um and especially now that callisto protocol like kind of blew up like not in a good way Now it feels like this game is in a position to to like shine And I've I've watched like the interviews with the developers and the writers and it all like leaves me feeling pretty positive Like a lot of it just feels like I feel like you guys really care and that like the decisions that you're making here are pretty thoughtful Like you're not just making haphazard decisions or trying to morph it into your own thing You're basically trying to take the core and then expand and then like build on it and just update and tweak it Well, like I said, uh, we will have played it by the time this comes out. So this comes out. Yeah You guys know what happened. Hopefully it was a good one. I hope I Enjoyed it Press o to abandon daughter must appear somewhere I assume they may be referencing cadel. All right, uh, ghost of uh, the the what was it? Was that changed? Oh, yeah, it's we're changing to olympus, but I assume they mean they wanted to show it up All right, that's a meme like press zero to Press service for band and daughter What a bad idea that was There was a jedi named.  I am a space guna space di I'm a gonna die Song is who likes to party by kevin mcloyte good I'm sure I pronounce it, but yeah, I play those when we party phone Life has many doors ed boy If you guys are all stuck on a desolate island and the food is running short Who would be first on the menu also happy new year rags? Oh, hey there. If it was us three, um, it would it would have to depend on the chances of rescue If it was like we we these would be rescued in a week, but we have no food left like oh shit One of us might have to die for the other two to Oh, if you don't have food. Oh, no, you'll live a week. Um, oh, sorry I guess yeah, because you'd have to have water for that to work anyway, wouldn't you? Yeah, as long as you had water you'll live, uh Three days without water three weeks without food three minutes without oxygen Yep, is it three minutes? I don't know That's about the meme. Yeah, like that. It's well because I think people can go for longer without oxygen And it depends on the nature of the asphyxiation to write is it a complete loss of oxygen? Or are you just getting a small amount of oxygen? Well, then what if it was two weeks? Uh, well two weeks as long as you have water you'd probably be okay three weeks Three weeks is pushed probably but that's start when you get to the end of that third week That's when it's really getting super shaky And so four weeks then you dead you probably dead. Well, that's the question if it were us three on a desert island We knew it would be rescued in four weeks Uh, I think we'd all agree that one of us needs to die so the others can live I don't know. I feel like it would just be who dies first That would be that would probably be the nature of it. I'd imagine that we uh, we would either agree Bucket will all die or Yeah, uh, that we would have a very rational discussion about The nature of the future of all even have a rational discussion stranded on the island with like wings or redemption or something What so we can just live forever? I don't think they would last that long it'll it'll rot but uh, yeah, you know, it's uh I I would just my concern would be like is there a way we can find to kill someone in a nice way here Like I said, I think you just wait until somebody dies and then whoever that is whoever dies first rather than it being about killing anybody That feels to me like the choice that would be The least well the interesting aspect of that too is that that'll keep your food for longer technically, right? Uh, I suppose yeah Would you say no rags I said, yeah. Oh, okay Uh, if you oh wait, that's that one. Yeah Uh, jammer, okay reference. I guess the future isn't made of virtual insanity after all it does however seem to be governed From a quiet by this love we have for useless twisting forms of subjectivity. We're not living underground yet Huh speak for yourself living underground's really living underground What like in metro I mean I'd be curious about like because you guys have you seen 12 cloverfield lane? I have Like the idea of like someone a story about someone who's just so aggressively doom crappy that they have like An entire like a thing that maybe their dad started building long ago and then they finished up and they're in their 50s Now whatever and like a really long elevator and there's a staircase vision of it as well for safety But it's like an enormous facility below ground that they built really slowly over a long time that the government never found you know and the Just like the like dex's lab sort of thing Yeah, and then maybe a zombie outbreak happens or whatever and Uh, you have that scenario. He's he's kind of a normal guy living a normal life But he drags one person in To save them when it's designed to just be him because he's like a loner And then they have their family come and that family lets people know about it And so he ends up with like maybe 50 people down there. What kind of Kind of stories you could tell with that Yeah Mr. Mime hates and then they've got Riggers Which is this and who rigs things Yeah, one who rakes one is like the rigging on a ship and whatnot. Yeah Outriggers. I didn't know that about mr. Mime bigoted I'm just thinking about that time when I thought that when riot said he was good at orienting He meant I was good at like holding orientations for like people at a new job or something Maybe he is I probably would be good at that I think he'd be pretty good. I think that's the reason why I I I like believe that that's what you meant. I'm like, yeah, I could see rags being pretty good already Already like conducting Edge runners was mid I haven't seen it. I can't say I've not seen it either Happy new year ifap or just a recommendation to go watch puss in boots the last witch and witch dammit Wish in theaters while you can it's one of the best movies this year another banger entry in the shrek franchise You know what agreed Yeah, I absolutely glad for saying it 2023 off to an okay start, I guess Well, that was 2022 ended Oh, right, of course I guess, uh, what is the best movie of 2022 then? Uh, everything overall once feels like the the choice So because it would be competing like we would have it competing not the oscars, obviously, but I think puss in boots would be I would I would be happily putting it up there to contend Um, especially after talking about it on the forge with metal and meme like that film raised in my estimation Uh, talking about it more. Yeah, I think that film is is a contender Happy 2023. Have you considered making any content comparing the two Pinocchios of 2022 the Guillermo del Toro version? And the one, uh, is one of the best animated movies this year in a while the disney one exists I don't want to watch the disney one. I've not seen the disney one I want to see it Maybe we'll do a Pinocchio. We'll pay a whole bunch of Pinocchios Yeah, that would be interesting. There's probably all kinds of different like especially old like 70s 80s versions that are live action One day I'll suggest an octopring.  I don't know I don't know either Mid doesn't mean middle. It's a weed reference I'm sorry my dude. It's way more than that now. It does mean middle. Yeah It doesn't mean middle doesn't matter where it came from. It's evolved now to mean the thing isn't terrible, but it also isn't great It's somewhere in the middle I meant okay when I said mid finland saga is what you should watch. Yeah, that's middle. It's okay Well, then again, someone might say middle is Neutral and the okay is like a six out of ten Yeah, I've always felt that way. Okay implies a little level of positivity Okay, and it makes you think of a thumbs up. It's like, yep Yeah, better than nothing or better than neutrally Uh kick duma. He's the new jay with these takes. Oh my god. Oh my goodness. I think this is the point where duma starts saying things Oh goodness eject duma eject Not even kick just eject. Is a pokemon a fursona No, only if you like use it as a fursona Which is kind of basic and lazy, but um But no, they're not Uh, I saw avatar two couldn't stop thinking that jake's plan to escape the military was the same as homers plan to escape the meteor and home of bad bad What is the the plan at home of bad bad is that Honestly, it's because I my brain is going to when they try to escape that song that ends up on the radio about flanders The uh, William Shattner ends up doing a spoken weird Oh, dammit. What was it? It was uh, yeah, I can't remember the lyrics Everybody Yeah That's right.  He's enjoying it sings the law. So of course he does I I remember loving that episode, but uh, that's not what they're talking about What does he do in response to the like sexual allegation stuff and homer bad man to escape them? Well, remember he goes on uh, he goes on rock bottom They said it's uh, jake's plan is similar to homers. So I don't think they're referencing the rock bottom Like jake your story avatar uh I'm I'm trying to think because homer like I I can't I I'm not sure actually what that what like run away from everything Is that what homer does because I remember the I remember when they take photos of him while he's in the shower he like screams Oh, and that what the one of the guys says that the the the thing that you know, that's the top Whatever you would call it like his like shield Charging sexual powers And then there was sexual powers the movie The movie and it's like no mr. Simpson a cat is a living creature. I don't care Spins over to run it over goes out of his way and then bend family guy have a similar joke if you remember when um When joe swanson and peter trying to compete in the special olympics and For some reason the movie adaptation like basically peter doesn't get any credit for all the work He's doing and the movie adaptation has peter even saying like you're a fool joe A fool to think you could do like the special olympics. I wonder if that was inspired There are videos on youtube of like all the jokes that have serious suspicious crossover from family guy from uh from simsons Well south park did the special olympics where cartman pretended that he was uh that he was That he was mentally retarded or whatever to like Get into the olympics so that he could win but the problem was that all of the kids who were disabled Like they were all better athletes than he was It was like the one element of his plan that he forgot which is that Like all of these people have actually been training for this and are like athletic And they beat him and then he got an award for losing and that was when jimmy was like She pretended to like have a disability so that you could get into the special olympics Do you remember how like when he walked up to kyle like doing his little impression where he's like I was like god damn it dude. Like thank you so much. I think it was stan who said that it's like I think this is a really really bad idea or a really sweet one. Oh wait. No, that was a different episode That was when he dropped himself into a tub With a t-bow that would electrocute him and and fill out his brain with memories of 1776 And he didn't have to write a report naturally I was just thinking of That song homo wrote is still in my head. I was just thinking the lyrics the uh Flanders tried to wreck my song his views on birth control are wrong. It's like homo wrote that homo wrote that flantas is wrong about birth control Like his views on policy related to it Um, and he says that he'd like to see his house go up in flames Oh, yeah, remember he goes, uh, it's like it's like fla and rd His name is ned. He's the man that I hate best. It's like he just spelled out flanners Well, yeah, because I had fla his name is ned e rs.  It's a fun song.  Um, remember that the song the most song mo mo mo How do you like me? How do you like me mo mo mo? Why don't you like me nobody likes me? Oh these old managers reminisce in rags, don't you worry. No, it's fine I'm happy to allow you to reminisce and talk about your tv shows from The olden days the programs of your Times they were a different the before times. Yeah Was watching critical drinkers open bar 31 Just want to say f off hollywood start reading the source material witcher and rings Don't push messages mcu make interesting characters most shows Oh, dude, i'm i'm heavy into the make interesting characters part hell, yeah We like it interesting characters. Maybe we should start with make characters actually Yeah, just just start with making character easy on the we don't assign them as we get the basics down Uh Jake slash homo pack your bags we're starting a new life under the sea little bibby theme plays deteriorate barge Oh, that's your plan for everything. Okay. I can see the connection now actually The they even have like a musical there before that I think at the end homo just says like oh, I won't work Going under the sea Yeah, probably won't Dolls is handled by people who are uncaring and cynical And all clearly had someone who cared. I wish they would just start caring again. Do me both, man Really?   Yeah, you're working real hard Shame Uh, I bet the list of things duma likes is the signal digits. Oh in the single digits It might be might even defend that This is happy new.   That's a bizarre thing to say.  I don't know You know, this applies to everything right media man genre Is examples of amazing and terrible things like as much as the horror genre Maybe has more obvious stagnation than other genres. Uh, it's I don't know. I feel like you can say it for almost everything, right? Like the adventure genre is boring they always go to places I don't know. Yeah, that's just a weird thing to say Good games no cutscenes every game that lets you skip them Okay, um, who would say that? I don't know.  We did that for like no, we did a lot of that We we we talked about that more than it deserved We talked about that that had a longer arc than most things do. Yeah Yeah, and when season two happens, uh Well, we'll have to make the decision if you want to which format we want to do right because uh, Maybe we could do e-fap tv for it. Oh Oh, yeah, right. I think in retrospect ring season one wouldn't have been good for e-fap tv But I think it worked pretty well as a thing where we bring on people to discussing man, is it it's a um It complete coincidence.  It's underrated No, it is correctly rated as the horribly bad anything is still overrated Yeah God that final episode with the rancor and the machines and the blasts the man doing him running around. It's like, oh, it's so Fucking I don't want to call it fanservice because I don't think the fans are serviced by this Yeah, there's shit Okay, here we go So We'll open with this is so dumb I think I know what's happening now Then duma to the shadow realm Don't need to put people in the shadow realm You must claim most games barely have story time stamp roughly five hours and four minutes That's a definitive claim that would expect the group to have a lot of discussion on claiming he made no definitive claims is just untrue Uh, yeah, that pissed off a lot of people I think Especially wasn't the two of his examples zelda or mario, which is probably a mistake zelda was the worst one he could have chosen out of those two though because like zelda has a story It has a story that a lot of people really like well, I was gonna say yeah At least with mario a lot of people nobody's like making videos about how mario Mario does have a story. It's just a very basic And then you have the likes of super mario galaxy that has like Rosalina's, you know the stories that she's telling like the picture book It and like the fact that that game actually has cutscenes Like full blown cutscenes and kind of like broad narrative, uh, like Objectives a lot of mario games don't obviously but like zelda in particular. It's just that one is kind of baffling Uh, duma, can you give me an example of good stories from movies movies made on earth? Don't count. I don't care about them Oh That I mean you can still answer that question if you just to see where it could go Uh Dude, you ask for examples and you said your examples don't count because you don't care about them. That's not how examples work I'd be inclined to agree. Yeah, how about that?  It'd make for some great content Perhaps I I'm not my baby. Yeah Uh, duma gets too worked up in arguments.  Oh Don't be flimpy Play soma fringy also high rags Hello Also, uh, yeah, I'll get on to that. Oh the next one says don't play soma fringy also buy rags Well, I don't like that super chat All wrong After rewatching the e-fap coverage of the halo show I bought the mcc the wasted potential of the elite's humans alliance And halo 4 is infuriating Uh, oh, I don't care as much about whatever than halo 4 Yes, there was a lot of wasted potential. Um, yeah Uh, if you dislike story and games ask him why he plays heavy story games like cyberpunk Why doesn't he just stick with games like minecraft? I suppose we will never do I suppose we won Verited is so terrible that I'm shocked anyone would recommend it It's remarkably unoriginal desperately unfunny and utterly fails at finishing any of the narrative threads it pretends to start Uh, all right. I'm not familiar with it I heard they were starting to film a feudal japan predator movie Oh, that'd be cool.  I think Thanks for another year looking at the terrible state of media high rags Don't cry metal and I stole fringies goo um, hi It's all labeled and accounted for in the vault Do the navi have rabies? I don't think so. Maybe you might not even exist on that planet seems like there's like no illnesses Yeah, we don't have any illnesses food is plentiful. They don't have any Problems whatsoever.   When does it come out? I mean, this will date the video.  Well, there you go Uh, let's have a look see Is it preloadable for people that would that'll be a signal that's about ready, right? Uh, it is it is preloadable. Yeah Well, there you go.  Happy new years Happy new years to you Enjoyed the stream been hitting the hay good night hosts guests and chat love y'all and hope 2023 does not fumble the glimbal Yeah, we wouldn't want that Uh, are you done with the annual supermassive gameplay really enjoyed you guys riffing on those derpy games The me and metal we had six games The fully stream and the average completion time for those all of them were 10 hours so That was 60 hours of streaming outside of all the other streaming we had planned We couldn't fit in I I think I even said if we managed to complete them in time Then we'll play the supermassive games after but you know Me and metal have plenty of time to stream those and likely gonna visit again. So probably play them then They are they are movie games Okay The like as much as I love the meme that I I'm more than understanding of calling them movie games But they are funny. So yes, we may get around to them Remake isaac clock reminds me of father doogle maguire from father ted I mean talking about the way he looks I suppose so the way he looks because the remake isaac looks, you know more like kind of Oh, it's uh, I know the actor's name um Using my hero I don't really see his face in him, but fair enough Mola play neighbors from hell. It's the perfect assault and battery game keep Uh Oh, keep it up. I guess I love y'all soy and woke vids and streams. Happy birthday everyone Yeah, that's what the new year is. It's happy birthday for everyone Happy birthday And uh You're having fun with this stuff Happy new year's eutisms and high rags for the last time of 2022 Oh, hello I still find it amusing. There are people who post everyone's so well being like and someone explain this whole high rags thing You know as much as the stat of like replacing cells and everything It'd be curious to know how often the average time you replace your audience audience replacement, right? I guess it depends on growth, but Probably, you know Now yeah quickly it happens and Like familiarity with eFab episodes will likely move with like a full 50 episodes, I'd imagine Yeah, I think so something like that But there's the earlier days But um, yeah, also I uh, maybe he's a little I'll be right back Very well um That's funny because that's it That's all it's at the end. Well Well, thanks That's guys like yeah, yeah, appreciate. Thank you so much. Yeah, that is the new year ones So no, let's let's let's end it and then when rags guys and because you'll be in on it, but rags won't It would just be like, yeah, see everybody And then when rags gets back after we're finished, you'll be like, yeah, so next super chat And he'll be funny for any person, right? No one will know That's that's true But they know now that that's a possible and you but you've deprived them now it seems it seems you want us to wait I I don't know anymore. I feel like it's mean to not wait for him Uh But we miss out on that meme But we what do you mean for the sake of a meme or or not mean but for the sake of no mean I think it will actually harm rags mentally not to be able to say goodbye to the nice people at home Okay. Well, all right. I suppose we'll just wait then I'll take that risk So I will say uh, we're getting there folk arenas listening to this. Yes, we're getting close to being caught up 90,000 words once upon a time is down to 11k now and the funny thing is God, it used to be that we are on the cusp of being halfway to the anniversary. Isn't that insane? Yeah, well, yeah, exactly man. That that is actually pretty nuts. God damn It was like yesterday that we did that Same it was it feels like it was yesterday Yeah, because we've done And the thing is like the episode is going to be pouring out because we got so much stuff to talk about I don't even know like once we finish the loss of us as a show. I wonder if we'll do an episode for that just I hope that's good. By the way future people Loss of a show as I do with basically everything hope that it's good Oh Mando season three That's oh, that's that's pretty close. Honestly. That's the beginning of March Yeah, like two months away and and by the time that comes out the last of us will be finishing, right? Um, the last of us will be finishing probably while it's because the last of us is nine episodes. So two in further dating This uh means we've got seven so seven more weeks Which means sound like it'll it'll finish right before Uh, I think it will finish like the one or two weeks into Mando Dude, everyone is gonna have their eyes on that finale That comes out. Yeah, it'll it'll finish like one or two weeks. Uh, yes the finale is the interesting thing, isn't it in terms of uh In terms of what are you gonna do to the ending guys? You done What if they actually write everything though to where like they can set that up and it's okay I Dude if if they actually like If if it ends up being that we conclude it was a really good season and like everyone does that'd be crazy Yeah, best of luck to him, of course I am back Well, that's it folks. We've brought up fully with the new year's eve stream superchats Thank you for joining us. 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