I'm sorry, so at the meeting, it is Monday, June 7th. We're trying to select for me a first live meeting and well over a year since the pandemic. Thank you. I know Don's first live meeting has been on the board over a year. So year and a half. So we've called the meeting to order. We also have it going on zoom as well. People was there's there's a few people on. Just at least looking to get in. So we've got a few people on zoom. I had a how are you. Good. Thank you. And the rest of us here so I will try to, if I'm looking and looking at this, I'm not, I'm not listening or paying attention to you. I'm trying to do this as well. So let's go ahead and start the meeting. Order is any general public comments. And they were in general supported. So we have a wildly old program that we've been doing the last few years. And then we have a new program on to live. To go with our summer reading program. And then the other that you were interested in posting was a lot of our fields. And I've given Jay who hosts it with dates that all work with them. So just wanted to run a party. I think I certainly support anything going on out in the fields. Just make sure you know people picking up after themselves when they leave. And I'll take advantage of it's nice out there. You know, bring your bugs where there's a lot of pics around. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's a nice space. Anything else? Does anyone on. Online. General public comment. I'll, I'll make a comment. I just wanted to announce that we have a new value reporter staff writer. He's actually on this call. His name is Alex Dickinson. So he will be covering meetings from here on out. And he will be covering meetings from here on out. And your coverage the last. How long you've been here a couple years. Almost two years. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Appreciate it. You move it on to bigger and better things. Yeah. Thank you. Good. And Alex welcome. As we're holding our meetings live, you're welcome to come down here in more town. And join us going forward. Very good. So let's go ahead and move on to the first agenda item. And that is the face covering mandates. What have any. Thoughts or discussions on the mandates. The more town face covering mandate. I guess. You're back to. State policy. Right. I mean, that's. I think everywhere now, I think really. You know, I think that we are now at the stage where we could take that mass mandate away, you know, send the mass mandate.  We put the mass on when the science said to. No science is saying you had your vaccination. You're safe. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to. In about two seconds. Any further discussion. All in favor, but I. Thank you everybody. Now you may unmask was that. That's a start shaving again. Yeah. Thank you everyone for. You know, throughout this pandemic. We've been hearing to the mandate and I think we're all. Have been better for it. So next item up, we have Chuck Burt. Chuck is with our, he's our CD fiber. Ambassador or such. Delegate is how we. Yes. So Chuck. I know you and I have talked in the past, but why don't you go ahead. And I'm going to talk about the. The. Yeah. So. That. Notages are. And so. And. I'll get straight to the point I'm here to ask for money. So we'll talk about what that means. These were voting. Is it. I don't receive. Money. But we think there's an opportunity here. So. I'm going to put together a little bit of background. I'll. Get to the. That details. For. Short-term side. As well as. Requests. To be. The. So. I think. Since. Last time I was in here. Actually. By. Since. Since then. We've added ducks. And Washington. So. We'll see. After. There are ongoing conversations with. Waterbury. And. And I just got a request last week from someone. So, you can see a map here, there are ongoing conversations with Waterbury and Bolton, um, and I just got a request last week from someone in Orange, whether those end up joining the district or not remains to be seen. We've gotten into some towns and pasts and just never went anywhere. So, right now, we are in the community. I just want to call out on on slide three broadband RY huge recent independent study of EPD fiber, which is a Chattanooga Tennessee power and telecommunications district found that the city owned fiber network delivered Chattanooga a $2.69 billion return on investments in the first decade of operations. And that was on an initial investment of about $200 million. I can send this electronically since obviously clicking links on paper doesn't work.  You have to send that around. Can you send that this section. Sure. I will point out that the following data I am going to provide is based on survey data so there is likely a small amount of parents self selection bias in it in that the people of the most need were more motivated to fill out our survey. But you did find that of survey premises. 66 more town premises were under 25 for you when I say 25 free this everyone know what that means. Okay, that is the speed of your service which means you have 25 downloads 25 megabit per second, and three megabit per second upwards. A lot of us don't even have that much at my residence prior to one of us starling coming into town. What you could get was consolidate the communications three megabit down and point seven megabit per second up, but by FCC definition, broadband is now defined as 25. Frankly, 25 free is really not enough, even in today's day and age all streaming activities video conferencing a three megabit connection will not get you much in the way of school children need to attend virtual meetings. So, 38% respondents had less than 25 free again a lot of them at best device you may get it down point seven 81 premises 46% at 25 free and a smaller 16% at least 100 100, which our goal is to have a minimum of 100 100 in every community and in fact, by having all sorts of additional funding happenings, not be able to suppose because federal government is best to try to get every community of our own. If we get better than that we get 1000 1000 bonus. There are some people will pay extra money for those kinds of access speeds when someone put it, but 100 100 is the baseline and most of each half. The CV fiber network at landscape slide five, it's approximately 1300 miles long, it will be with when you need survivors 26,000 premises within our communities, and it will cost us an estimated $468 going to slide six. What we've done so far so far we've contracted for feasibility study to make sure that this is even possible within the cost structures we established and to devise a business plan to ensure that this is something that can actually be self sustaining since we are ineligible to receive tax money, we have to be revenue positive fairly quickly in order to give it to support the online viability of this network. We've designed our phase network build strategies are getting underserved community members first with the plan roll out to other people in those communities because our goal is to sort of every premises within our communities. We're not underserved later. So as an example, various city obviously has a lot of options with people options and some fiber some places wouldn't make sense for us to prioritize their needs we're prioritizing communities like Worcester and middle sex and the north end of more town where access is in reserve. We've actually done a group for a round of grants helping to fund our first three projects in more town Roxbury and Alice in this month later around sort of out for the maple corner. And we worked toward approval on a $4 million via loan from state. Now this is a relatively high interest as you can imagine this. It's a little risk of investing in something this early on. So the loan rates are set accordingly, but it is still provided by the state and allows for those risks to be absorbed by the. This is all necessary to represent before we ever get to building, but now we are finally ready to actually. So the process to actually build a fiber network has five major components other than that. The first is some power providers have great inventory data on all of their goals within their network. GMP for example, pretty much knows where all of their goals are. Well, as another example, does not necessarily know where every pole is distance and traverses are between poles, where poles have to cross underground areas, or do we tricky spans. So whole inventory is the second step is network design and the reason for inventory screen is we're in the process of keeping this off right now, RFP and bids back and we're in the process of signing contracts this week to make this happen. Next step is network designs, this is actually creating a design around how the fiber is routed where redundancies are put in so tree falls out of line and snaps it and you can dynamically reroute service around where possible just like our companies do. Next is make ready, which is actually carrying the poles themselves to take the fiber and how it's from, and there's the instruction which is actually wiring the fiber and install all the necessary requirements such as routing equipment, power, etc. And finally, what's referred to as drops, which is actually wiring the individual premises homes and businesses from the fireman. On the next slide slide, you'll have the high level costs of our overall network for those five phases, as well as the war town of those five phases. So, focusing in on war town facet war town burden of this particular network will be approximately $2 million. It costs about $33,000 to be full inventory $33,000 to be designed $280,000 to make ready $1.2 million to be construction and just I have $400,000 to do those drops. A lot of numbers quickly so any questions on that one for the bottle. That total. For example, what's the build out on that where is that and how long. That would assume we build all of them. Okay. And I'll get to how we're going to face that. Oh, very good. Actually, thank you. So, in one time, this is really the people along the Washington electrical power lines to have consolidated. And not really getting into the territory for Washington. We'd field chairman about this build out construction is actually going to begin this year we anticipate service will start being offered around the beginning. Our second priority to build out for the poor. And there are other reasons to build places that still do have service today to provide a local community option is not not for profit.  Happy to give a quick elevators, but that is not a new concept. And so, beyond 2022 2023 and on where we start to look at building areas that are not defined as so various for example as a member of the community they want access option. However, they are there by no means under served by the definition. And so we'll really start to build out in those properly served areas, which is all over build, and we'll have to be mindful about how we do that. We have a great job of balancing the service versus the process. And besides 10, the urban grant funds so our grants have investments and broadband infrastructure is one of the approved categories for uses of these funds. We are anticipating to receive some direct or the grant funds by the state. However, the amount and timing our asset yet to the answer, you know, state takes a little while for them to work through how any money gets appropriated. And so we have some general senses of how much we think we might get. It is not nearly enough to reach that full 46 million of course normally expected to be but that is about the need over a long time. Anyway, it's not going to be the next years. We have to receive grant funds for various uses is one of those uses, although it's beyond water and sewer infrastructure improvements, providing direct assistance to people, businesses or nonprofits, economically impacted by the pandemic or increasing pay for essential workers or restoring government services that were cut because of loss of tax. So those are all the levers we'll have at your disposal about how to use this money. Towns are received. Towns are going to receive two sources of funds, a direct town grant, as well as the indirect county grant because it's a lot of don't really have active counties will just get distributed out to the town as well. We're going to receive half the town money in 2021, the other half in 2022, while the county portion of it towns are anticipated to receive directly. Altogether we anticipate the 25 remember towns are expected to receive around 1645 million in combined town and county grant funds going to slide 11 actually see our estimate of what that means for our entire district highlighted more town specifically. More town is set to receive approximately $532,000 in our funds. That is broken out at $164,000 of town based money, $367,000 county based money, and further broken out to be $449,000 2021 money limited to 2000. This is our calculations, we've not vetted them with state and and attorneys anything like that. So taking the grain salt, obviously we now need that all face could be could be a bit off of this, but we think it's at least directly involved, we would expect to see. I just want to call it any funds provided to see fiber that are not in the form of a loan, thus reducing debt service and will do directly lower our subscription rates, benefiting our communities. There's a real incentive for us to be able to receive funds that don't come in the form of a loan. Long term, we're going to be taking a lot of loans as well. To get to that $46 million. And in the early days that will be fairly high interest. Once we've established three or four years for revenues will be able to turn around and explore revenue bonds to get those interest rates down or that debt servicing. But if we take a look at EC budgets here, EC fibers yearly budget debt servicing is a big line. If they had to do it all from death. So we have a really interesting opportunity in front of us to be able to build out portion of this network without building as much debt as this environment. So our ask the short term is we asked for $67,498, which recovered the first two phases of that whole inventory and the design steps. Longer term, we estimate you will face an approximate $1 million shortfall in more town home based on our current projections. So any additional funding that the more towns like our theme to a cloud would be appreciated towards CD fiber. You have all of those other things to consider obviously sewer and water are not going to be considerations are town but offsetting. In fact, certainly, what could be leveled in that consideration. So we would ask you to consider that it is worth noting we are in talks with some other towns, middle sex receive a majority portion of those funds. Real sense is like more towns without sewer and water infrastructure, and they are also in a much more state in terms of having far more underserved friends. So basically it's great. So all that being said, next steps. I would love the board to discuss ask me any questions you have and I'll answer them to best my ability and consider this. You have to consider this topic today if you want to take it away to think about it, or if you want to come back with any additional information or research do so. However, if the board does decide that either the short term grant or some other grant as you see fit. It's worthwhile. We would draft and sign. We already have a new works. It's with our attorney president for middle sex, and we would obviously take whatever we draft middle sex and changing the way it is needed to support assets. That's it. Thanks check. I'm going to run with the board here when we have questions. Bonds could be, could be longer than that. So that's not wrong. You're already within. At least that 25 free definition. What is the power that they just did going to what is that? Oh, yeah. My understanding is most residents got fire, which means they should have up to that 100-100. But that may vary by location. I don't have exact details on that. I can try to push on that a little bit more. No, no, I thought that's what it was. They're a great provider. We have a lot of respect for them and we've been looking for opportunities to actually partner with them. There was a point at which we thought we were going to end up building our port at a portion of our level. And that would have been really interesting. That didn't end up panning out, but actually partnering with like instead. Like is going to build the network. But in any case, we have a lot of respect for that. Kelly? Connection. Connection is so great. I think the last year has demonstrated the importance of having good connectivity, good speeds, both downloading and uploading. So I think it's something that as a board, we've thrown our list and we're hearing another presentation tonight. And then hopefully by our next meeting, we will be able to have a presentation together about what all the funds are that we're getting. I've spent some time on some calls Cheryl Lynn has. And at this point, I'm not comfortable which I just don't qualify to share where everything that's there yet. I don't understand it enough yet. So there's a lot of work to be done on that. But I think by our next meeting, I can present something and say, all right, this is what I think we're getting. And then we can start taking some of these requests such as trucks and then and evaluating them and funding. I think this is important. I fully believe that the fiber will be something that will help the town out. I think it's something that will certainly take a serious look at it. We can't make any deafness tonight, but I think you've done a nice job in the presentation. And we all recognize the need in town for that. I have a question. Our concern is, so there's a certain amount of work that we're going to do or we're going to be concerned. If we don't persuade those people to join their network, is it still feasible and still going to work? Yes, so it's very first steps and easy. We're great even on fiber. And so obviously in places with less density, you have to have some amount of space. However, the modeling we use is I recall correctly somewhere in the ballpark 75 to 80% adoption for people who are underserved with a much more meter 30 to 40% adoption. And so there are definitely people who see fibers found and will switch off things like that for a little option. We provided one, but we absolutely do not need to do that. And so I think we're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. We're going to be able to do that. But we absolutely do not need all of that. We want to consider staying on some of the documents. For example, we would not be able to do that. We're going to get the benefits of the bundling that we get by bundling people in the service. So the areas that I already said like rather than just still be going up the road. So we will have an option. Everybody will have this option. Yes, our mission is to serve well. Let me caveat that with our mission specifically dictated to ensure everybody has fast reliable internet. So there we may get into units with incumbent providers in certain scenarios to say you are our service provider by proxy. So it may not always go by free address. And frankly, I personally think that's what we should try to pursue when it comes to retail chanting on since they are such great provider. However, a company like Comcast where you're more interested in going and over building services. And I think it's, you know, even our good providers competition is good, you know, and they'll step their game up maybe a bit as well. Let me just check to make sure. Are there any questions from the computer or anyone on the computer? Yeah, I just have a quick question. How can the public get access to these slides that Chuck just presented? You can get them from Sasha. He's going to send them to Sasha and she will. She can send them out to you. Okay. All right, so let's go ahead. Questions for Chuck for Chuck. Is there anything else you want to finish up with? All right. All right. So next agenda item we have David, our zoning administrator. He's on for some E 911 road names and DRB fees. I believe David is online. David, are you there? Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Let me see. Maybe I can turn this up. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Hold on. All right, David. So go ahead and present what you have for us this evening. Okay. It's not going to be nearly as complicated as I thought you just had. I've listened to that in both towns and I have the utmost admiration for those people that are working toward that goal. Clearly they are doing a good job. They're doing a lot quicker than I anticipated that one originally approached. Yes, good. Okay. So there are three E 911 issues to bring for the board's attention tonight. There would be three road name for two new road names to be designated and one road name change. The first new road name is requested by Mr. Rivers. They've got a private driveway that is located in the middle of the old route 100 entrances and exits. It's feeding a large piece of land and they're going to have multiple structures on that. So they would like the road name identified so that addresses don't have to change as subsequent structures are built as is going to happen with the Galligan Lakers situation. Mr. Rivers has requested Rivers Retreat Road as his first choice. He has two other choices but he would really like that one. I've done the research and it is not in conflict with anything in the neighboring towns. That sounds confusing so I would recommend that the board consider accepting that name for that private road. I move to accept Rivers Retreat Road. Rivers Retreat is that correct? Correct. Any further discussion on Rivers Retreat Road? All in favor vote aye. Aye. All right David move on. Aye. Number two is subdivision that was recently approved by the DRB for Robert Wimble. There will be three structures on that driveway access. Again requiring a road name. The applicant Mr. Carwimble has requested one of three names. The first choice would be Robert Ramble R-O-B-E-R-T R-A-M-V-L-E His second choice would be Whitney Wei W-H-I-T-N-E-Y W-A-Y And the third would be Lylok Lane. That's again Robert's Ramble I have checked in the brief time I had because Carl dropped it off about ten minutes ago. I have not had a chance to check the other two but Robert's Ramble is clear if that's acceptable to the board I would recommend you name that road Robert's Ramble. We had number one was Robert's Ramble. Correct. Number two was Whitney Wei Whitney Wei? Correct. And number three was Lylok Lane. L-A-N-E I like Lylok Lane best He likes Robert's Ramble and that's his property or Ramble. So I would move we accept Robert's Ramble. Any further discussion on Carl's name? All right. All in favor vote aye. Aye. All right. David go ahead and move on. Number three. This is a road name change of Gallagher's Ramble. This was caused by historical error to be actual. This was brought to my attention by the state E-91 officials. I presented this to you a couple weeks ago and said I would check with the owners to see if they had a recommendation for a road name because they will be going through the hardship of changing their address. I made two trips. I met with three of the folks on the first weekend and two of the folks on the second weekend that I went. They had indicated they were going to try to do a group get together but that did not happen. The suggestion that was presented from one landowner was to name it after their dog Clover. So her suggestion would be Clover Way. The other resident that did give a preference or concern because they get numerous packages from UPS and FedEx and Amazon for business reasons realizing that this may be an impact to them. Wanted the name change to be as small as possible so that it would minimize confusion with deliveries. Based on that I am suggesting that the road be named Gallagher's Acres Extension. It is currently Gallagher's Acres for those properties so they would just have to add an EXT to their address. So FedEx and whoever should see that it's still Gallagher's Acres and know that they're in the ballpark. David, that makes sense to me. I think the rest of the board is shaking their head. So I'd move that we go ahead with Gallagher's extension. Thank you very much. I think that's All in favor vote aye. Aye. Okay, David. Okay, the next thing is when I took this job in 2019 there was a change in the state recording fee requirements from $10 to $15. So I updated the Moortown permit application fee schedule at that point and I did you get a chance to get this from Sasha? This was Yep, we have it in front of us. Okay, so that's what has been in place for the last two years and that is what I've been using as the fee schedule. Unbeknownst to me in one of the construction PDFs for instructions for applications to conditional use there is a statement that the fee schedule for conditional use is $250 slash $300 which is significantly higher than the $75 that is on the fee schedule that I have been charging or requesting from the applicants. So I need to resolve this conflict. Nobody has complained about the $75 fee that I've been charging. I have some outstanding applications that will be impacted if we raise the fee to $250 slash $300 and I don't understand why this informational page has plus $250 slash $300. There's no guidance on why it's $250 or $300. So I guess I would ask the board to reflect on this. I don't know if it's something you want to make a decision right away but make you aware that there is a conflict between what's in the fee schedule and what's in the application instructions. I think what we'll do is we'll have Sasha, maybe she can work with you and just do a little research into this. There may be a reason why we're in that document there is $250 to $300. What we want, we want to make sure that we're covering our costs but we're not in this to make lots of money on folks who want to build. So let's try to figure out what the best cost is and if it's still 75 please come with that recommendation but if you think it's $200 then let's hear from you then as well. Is that all right? That is absolutely fine but what I also will suggest is I take the cost out of the instructions and just have them in one location the fee schedule so there's never a chance of confusion again. Yeah, no I think that's once we resolve this I think that's certainly the thing to do. And so why don't we get together again at our next meeting and resolve this with the information you guys provide. Okay, so we'll work with Sasha on that. Thank you very much. Thank you David. Anything else? It's hotter than heck out there. Yes it is. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate your time tonight. All right. So let's go ahead move on. We have Rhodes here. Yeah, we're on time so while communication Sasha you want to go ahead or yeah. That's the engineer. Right. John when you got forced to nothing. Just sitting there looking good. All right. Ray how about yourself? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Ray, how about yourself? Okay. All right. And so I have one thing we did get an email and I don't know if we've got forwarded through was from David about the schoolhouse on 100 B. I don't know if anyone had an opportunity to reflect on that but I think it's something we should investigate to see what the deal is. I used to stop by briefly to look at the car but it looks like a nice building. I don't know if there's anything else to it but does anyone have time to kind of investigate that so that we can at our next meeting start with something we want to pursue it all. I think it could be had fairly reasonably but it may not be something we want to do. I'm just interested to know that town sold that about $300 so maybe we could cut a deal with that. Afflation? I think the old school I have working on a map of the private and trying to think of ways of building some kind of history in there how the school would be able to use for classes to just sort of play with the information of places. Don, do you have the time to follow up through David and the person through Remount and Power to see what their intent is? Yeah, I remember one time I was talking about that. She was tired so they were actually interested in that time. I don't think it's anything that they really want much for. I mean they're looking just to split it off to get rid of it. We don't need to toss them anything. You know who the portion is because there's been some conflict with the information they were and they weren't going to get the bottom of it next time. Perfect. All right. That's all I have for announcements and communications. We have the slipboard minutes of May 17th. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We have a discussion on the minutes. Hearing and seeing none. All in favor of what I. So now let's go ahead on. We have the town hall library committee presentation. Thank you. All right. We have 15 minutes. Oh, we always have other things. We have a question. We have a question. We have a question to some old business stuff. Ray, why don't we start with your first topic? Okay. We'll start with the last one. We have some questions. Yes. We have a question. There is no comment. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So, but I would like to answer this. The reason we're doing it is because we could not define what the actual spray was. So it says spending thousands of dollars. We're trying to determine what the that we'll just give him some stone and keep the trail open where it is now. So I guess what I'm proposing is maybe we write up some sort of agreement with Jeff that we give him so much stone per year. You know, I like to just formalize that you are going forward rather than having this discussion every year. So as far as we brought up about six yards, he would like three yards, compared to the rest of the town trails that was in line with what he had. But I don't know of any other agreements on any of the other town trails, let me landowner, you know, that we have. Right. So, I think, I think that's probably a good idea. Two things. I think we should probably make a together an agreement, but we should also perhaps put some money in the budget to actually figure out where the trail is. So that way, and I think we have something up on Freeman Hill as well. So I think each year and we don't have to go into it how much now but we should be putting some money in and trying to identify these trails each year and so this agreement could go for a couple years to let that is done. Yeah, long range. I think we ought to try to make sure everyone knows where their their property is where the trails are. I think and I understand we don't want to spend the money, but if we put out 5000 a year or so five to 6000 a year and we should know where our roads are. Well, if you want to rate. Actually, I'll work with Sasha and actually Cheryl, and maybe we can put together a little agreement. We'll share with the board for a walk over there, Jeff. The rest of that you like to do a survey. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what we got it. We need to go forward. And there's several of them around town. Yeah, this one we have the one up on Freeman Hill I think it's gonna be coming up, but there's a lot more than that. So that would be a start. This way, this guy I know a couple of different times I know there was a verbal agreement there so Second on my wrist was so the surveyors went to Dean Motons. And they found him. The actual fitness mission is not going to be found. So the survey. And they sent us a bill for a form of knowledge to find the things are there. The original I think they're going to go back within the next week or so. And it's missing. No, is there a survey that indicates that there was a pin there or was it just being told in there. He says that they dug it out. It's right out there. There has been working. So does it make sense that they would be in it. And I mean, why would this pin that they found be there. The family found was not in the location. It was out of different. It was closer to his house. So, all right, so they, I think they could probably go back. I'm surprised that I'm bringing it back and show you where the pin is. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I mean, they, they've gone to the town records. I think they went to the wrong place for the first time, but they found a pin that was missing. Oh, it wasn't missing. We didn't know about it. So I really don't want to build for that if they went up to the wrong place. So let's, let's hear from them if they can go to the right area and then go from there. All right, number three, right. I think, you know, it's always has been a policy to allow. We're just going back to where it was before the shoot. So I'd like to say the town will still allow. Well, ATVs registered ATVs on our classroom. And I don't think you said we haven't. Right. We have. That's horrible. We always have, but we always have the rules changed last year. And I think the wording is now, they let you say, I put it back to the towns. They have to establish their own policy or this class. So what I like to do this all have to be like, we have to write it. That's what you want to do. And I think when I'm looking at that, we can also think from what I've got. We can look at our class three, two, because a lot of the class or you have to write on three to get to your four and a lot of places right. So in what, what were the requirements? I mean, is it your simple ATV requirements registered expected over 16? All right. So while you guys are working on the loop. Look, I'm calling it. Restrictions such why don't you put something together on that as well. Right. So. They use the class. All right, right. Together. Oh, estimate for the. Yeah. Based on. Yeah. So that will be, we'll submit that to the hardware board. Okay. Okay. Very good. So we're going to spend you there. It's eight, seven o'clock. So why don't you go into the presentation. Can everyone see that? All right. Yeah. And I just want to put out there that in 14 years. In 2035. We will be 200 years old. And I think the rest of the group would agree with me that we have an opportunity now. To look at some of the possibilities. For the town hall. And look at it. The possibilities as it's to being a continue to be a center of our community and a community center. So tonight's meeting is not about all the little details. That we've found, but more of just to kind of bring you up to where we are and where. We should go from here. I don't know if we should put this back there. So the people coming on. So we wanted to. One of the things we did as we've been meeting since, I think we started meeting in March or. In the February. Was we talked about. Earlier. Community interactions and some of the stuff that surveys at the library or library had done. And talked about how we could maybe do what we're due to go forward in terms of community engagement. And, but pretty much what we found from. Our own little mini survey of the six or so people on the website. And we found that people want to. Have a place where they can come to and gather and. Go come to programs and see people and let's go on to the next slide and you'll see, you know. So community events, which obviously. One part of the history here. Actually clock. You said you were going to take these slides. Right. So. This place has been a hub for community events for decades. My parents. 50th wedding anniversary was here. We've all come to events here that. Are not related necessarily to any town business, but are related to our families and friends and groups that were affiliated.  We've had a lot of meetings here. We've had a lot of meetings here for years. It has been. You know, and it is a focal point. This particular village in more town as well. And also the programs and meetings. You know, we have had. Lots of formal meetings here. Going back to the. The town office when we were working on that. It's been a site for aerobics classes. Ballet classes. I think way back when there's even some flight time classes that perhaps we could resurrect again. So it's been, you know, a really varied building with lots of different. Groups that have been. Had, you know, had the fortune of being in a great space. And yes, that is Jane Fonda. We were. Let in on the fact that in the 80s, some ladies used to come to Jane Fonda videos here. Although there's no photos. So. Whether in there or some of those other pictures. Really have to do with library programming that we've been doing over the past few years. And we'd love to continue to do as an active partner, really hosting and helping facilitate all this community programming and events. We did a talk on the concept of race that was pretty provocative and well attended a couple of years ago. We have. We have a lot of. Book clubs that meet here. Driver's ed is wrapping up in the basement right now.  Burden by year. We have been doing every year. Have the slideshow part here. So there's just a lot of opportunities. And then of course there's traditional library services. So you can see around you. We have books, audio books, DVDs Tuesday was our first day reopened since last November. 25. People come in. Very excited to be back. Very excited to look at the books, touch them, browse them, pick them out themselves. We offer a lot of technology access. Not only do we have patron computers. We got a grant. So we got some new Chromebooks that people can use in their cars. Or on the porch. We have scanning copying and printing services. And of course the free wifi. We early on turned our password off so people could come use the wifi at the height of the pandemic. And then wait till telecom. Was gracious enough to donate the community hotspot here. So there's two ways to get online here now. It can be a library of things, which is kind of a new exciting aspect of borrowing stuff. Instead of books. I did apply for an equipment grant, which I'll find out about the end of this month to get like a boxy ball set and some tennis rackets and other equipment that families and people can borrow and use of the wreck fields. So you don't have to have your own boxy set to play boxy. I brought up cake pans, but then was told everyone needs to have their own bunk pans. So maybe not cake pans, but the idea of those things that you maybe use a couple of times a year. Not everyone needs to own one. Work at homework space.  They felt too old for Mecca, but still needed a place to be for an hour or two after school. Or someone that's working from home and just wants to change it up and spend a few hours here. And then finally, this idea of being able to have chance encounters with your friends and neighbors, just having a place to go where you can spend time connecting with each other. So I think we've all been to a private event here, a stage party, an anniversary party, a shower, a dance. And probably a lot of us have hosted a party here. I still kind of say it's a great graduation party here 15 years ago. It's a great space. There's tables. There's chairs. There's space that you don't have in your home. There's a kitchen that you can warm food up in. I think most of the people that we talked to want to see that continue. One interesting thing we found when we talked to people about funding is there are some grant opportunities for people who are non-traditional spaces that we hadn't really thought of. Make your space, repair cafe, co-working space, coffee in a good station. We thought it would be worthwhile if there was funding for something like this to put it out to the community to see if there's an interest. Some of these uses. We had originally a lot of money to consume. So. Carla newest was also on our committee. Has done a lot of work on this. We've just started a sort of a group. Document where we can put potential funding sources. You guys have already been working with the preservation trust of Vermont. I believe that's where the window. Renovation is coming from, but there's definitely more opportunities for people. I think that's where it's coming from. There's an AARP community challenge grant.  And one interesting thing that came out of the meeting with the preservation of trust of Vermont was the idea of sort of once you define the uses of the space, that's really what will point you to the funding. Of course, the ARPA funding. I think that's where it's coming from. But there's definitely more opportunities there with the historic buildings. There's an ARP community challenge grant.   And there is a specific act in Congress right now around library infrastructure because not yet passed. But if it did, it would be a significant source of funding for, for building improvements and construction. But again, it's sort of once we figure out the uses that's, that's going to determine the funding. Did you want to say anything else about that? No, just that. We can talk about the transformation trust. Not a scientist is here. And it even gets sounded to the funding. Just to help to study for accessibility and fire. This cultural facilities grant is also another opportunity in terms of accessibility and other issues. So, I think we've done a lot of work. And then what we've done is just captured. Before we go too far down any one path, you would come meet with you, let me know what we've done and ask for two things. One feedback about these uses that we, we've looked into and we support and sort of an approval for you of the direction, which is the town hall as a community center. So that's the first thing. And then the second thing is a lot of these uses, you know, we thought of the assumption that the library is going to be here. So we were just going to ask the support to be formalized in relationship with the library, just in whatever way at this. And then we have the next steps that we were hoping to take, which is more engagement with the community. I think people are interested to see some design ideas and what would it look like, how community events and private events coexist with what's currently here. And then we want to continue to gather information on the lots of building maintenance, ADA safety codes, upgrades and also funding sources for this. So the community engagement, I think you already know, we did get a $3,000 grant to support that work. Anything from. Renting tents to host conversations in different parts of town was one idea. Doing some design mock up tape on the floor cutouts of what the different modifications might look like. Open house so people can walk through and give feedback. Yes. So we have funding to, to do that work. You have to spend it by October 31st. So that would be the timeline. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. We have to spend it by October 31st. So that would be the timeline. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to get down there. Any thoughts, questions, concerns? I'm going to give you the idea of the markup in here and seeing what things are going to be. Because when we talked about the library over here, like, this is not what I had envisioned at all, even looking at it on the page. Like, this is not what I thought. As my husband says, I'm not a vision or idea person at all. Like, I can't even do that. I'm like, oh, it's going to be terrible. I can't see it. And then when it happens, I'm like, oh, this is really awesome. So I think, like, being in here and having, like, stuff you can move and see. And then looking and figuring out what to do in the basement to make it what community to also draw people down there and realize in some of that space, too. That's where it's not only just the maker states and the coffee bar, but for the work that's going to be done. Bucks could be yours. Great for me, Bucks. No, I really like your presentation. I do like going to the library. Courage it to go forward the way you are.  I hope that's going to be, I don't know what the magic plan is going to be, but parking. I think you're going to have to think about that as well as anything else. And so has there been good feedback throughout the community?  We want it a lot of the way. Denise, you're, you know, originally you were very hesitant about anything changing going on in here. What's your thoughts now? Oh, I think there's a lot of questions to be answered. But I think I just want to get a feeling of people think we're going in the right direction and the committee is working in the good for all, which I believe they are. Right. Kind of how it would work. I mean, we can all, I guess none of us can visualize things. So yeah, we better mock it up here. John, did you have any? That's that's what my concern is the start of the society. And certainly, I think we'll be good group to go. So, you know, certainly. Callie pointed out a lot different from on paper. And again, into Callie's point as well, I think we need to do something with the downstairs. And that was been like, kind of soapbox from the beginning that I was hoping we could do a little bit more down there. I think it's a space that's once used to other things to be a sense of the work of the footprint. So by taking things off and parking in a particular fashion, so walking in a sense of where to go, what would happen? You know, what would the facility look like with a library? But also coming here, so you get a sense. Hopefully, we'd be able to pull it off to get a sense of both in the downstairs. Yes, yes, complicated. I mean, most of us said, well, we've got to get rid of the problem. Got a whole space. There were lots of other ideas that percolated that's, I think, getting some more public engagement. I also think outside of the library and the library. So if we are committing to building a public space and a community center, we want to make sure that it's successful and safe. And so there are some necessary improvements or modifications that will have to be made for that, whether or not the library is here, I want the library safe. That's also something to get feedback, meaning that's the best way to do that. But to that, to that speak between that, we might have to, while we're doing this engagement and walk up some for the community's engagement, is to lose a gentleman and wait until Bill Galler, who would talk to through the Preservation Trust, we can get a grant. So we can work with Cheryl and we can still do it concurrently with the grant that we have.  And he would come and assess the building and be able to give us a better idea of what is a ramp to the stage, you know, type of thing, you know, there's lots of different bucks going around. I would put a comp as well. You have to start back here. It's a 12-1. I think it would be a good idea to engage, you know, and that way we could also then also see the basement, you know, the back, you know, egress and access out of the basement for more kind of distance and be able to go down there. What upgrades to take place at the left? It's not the most vital place to come up, right into the room. Anyway, we really appreciate that. Now, those are those are things as far as access. There are some, Michelle, you may have been on the board at the time. There was some work done because that's where we decided to actually fix the lift. Prior to that, we were going to look to have a walk or something put in. It was we were going to have to wrap it around the building. Right. Yeah. I mean, it had to start here and end up in the middle of the road over here. So it just didn't work. No, I think it's. So there and the there is a grant available for that. Yes. For the initial set, right.  It's considering and you can look at the stage access and basement and some. It's better to have the information and not. So I would certainly encourage you to reach out to Cheryl and and work with her and get in the grant. If you guys are having gotten out of that, I just didn't understand that. Here, but I would be shocked at the facility because Spain was not necessarily used for me. All right, so you guys want to move forward? Certainly sounds like you've got the board willing to to move forward with you as far as looking what's the best thing you're you're asked as far as the next uses on this. So, yeah, let's move forward with that. I think as far as an agreement shall maybe sometime you and I can talk and just share a little bit about what you what you guys are thinking. All right, Jen, maybe sometime you can reach out to me. We can just talk a little bit about what you guys are thinking.  And I just have one other thing, Tom, and I know I promised we would end up like one of the ones that would be good for the board and think about the community as we go forward. But we all love having our town meeting here. We want to continue to have a town meeting there. But we do have issues about the voting on the stage as far as access and from what I understand also because of the physical size of the booths and the people walking by to go downstairs. It doesn't really there's a really culture if I use that word with the state, but we're still doing it. But so in other words, in the future, is that going to be something that kind of I think that has a little bit of a process in this that should be in the discussion? Yeah, I don't think we should drive it. It needs to be talked about, especially as elections are getting more and more scrutinized and a little bit more challenging than they used to be. So yeah, I think that needs to be a part of that discussion. That's all we know that. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's the latest library stuff. Don, I wouldn't mean to cut you off. I just want to make sure no one has any other questions. Just make sure you let us know when they are. And we get minutes to like every third meeting, maybe something like that, you know, or if there's something significant that comes up, you can constantly look at can I get on or can I come in public comment?  I think that would be all right. That's what you know towards in the summer, which is here, but towards the summer that we can stop to maybe show some people and if we got to get, you know, have to get something there as well, you know, that's the one cut out of it, but we'll see what we can do. Sounds good. I think there's a lot of possibilities. So, Linda, I think one of the things that I don't think we should talk to a comment about part of what I would say, the parking is another thing, I mean, it's true. Yeah, just people have all these parts of the places out here that's never, that's the history of it. All right. And on town meeting day, there's going to be traffic all over the formerly. There's going to be certain things that, you know, will be accepted and we'll have to get rid of it and some will be some change, but it's a great facility. I really hope that we can do something with it. And it was a mega or someone said, re-energize the place, energize the place, you know, it's a sleepy little thing, but it's, it's an awesome building. I love it, you know.  All right. Well, there's nothing else to you folks. We'll go ahead and round with you. No. The plan is I'm actually banning myself from the Intervo. No. So, there wasn't the end of the community management grant has been granted, like we had in this October 31st. Is there anything regarding, like, the questions? Is there anything that you all need for help with that? So, I think so. I sort of make a budget up from this. It's very easy to apply for a variance if you go more than 10% off of that. I did include a significant chunk for design consultation, so we should be able to hire someone that could help put the ideas of the requirements into a visual form for us.  So, like, I think so, yeah. And if you have more questions or things to reach out to us, you know, for better or the entry questions than not. If you know, I think the sense of the room is that it's time to give people something to wait in, sort of, before they kind of accommodate the small community site that we're moving forward with. No, I think that's a good assessment. Very good. Thank you. All right. We'll move on, and you guys stay if you'd like. Michelle, nice to see you. Clark gave me. Saw you logged in first to see if we were here. And then, OK, thank you, everyone, for coming. Nice to see you. All right, so thank you for having us tonight. We'll do that. Callie said she needed to get her exercise tonight. So we're going to do that. Nice. All right, well, I can see you got a nice hand. Ray, let's get back to Ray. You had a few more things. So we didn't talk, as you know, we have to be subscribed out of the area. Yes. But game is right. I think truck traffic. And so, you know, good boys, we want to help the town really make the right, you know. So what we'd like to do is things work with the town to let them, if they could pull the sidewalks out, we could pour them and we use whatever. We're going to come down and do some topsoil work. I can have that same crew do that. It's OK if we have to have Michael pull out the coupes and sidewalks and we'll pour eight inches still to 75. So the boys should be able to do that, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean, we can direct them. Yeah, just go down and make sure. I mean, I'm not sure if you wouldn't know, but if they're together, they might break up something else and then pull it out. You know, actually, there may be some soft tapping. Well, we've got the size. OK, yeah. But what you're trying to do is just bring it in at least a little bit. Yeah. And I thought, you know, we can just work with the town on that and get that going forward. If everybody's up there. That's good. You pour my eight inches, you said? Yeah, I think that, you know, I ask half-crabbers to look at it. It doesn't go that way. I explain them what we're going to do. I think you've seen them. Yeah. You can see where the trucks have gone on. Yeah. I think it's pretty clear. That's the only proper way to answer that. I think this is going to be good. Yeah, no, good. I appreciate that. So you can talk to Martin about it in just a minute. It's OK with you. Yeah. That's what they're all about. Yeah. Because we don't want to think about what we're not doing. Yeah, no. Make sure you guys are all timing. Thank you. You're the same thing. Yeah. So we don't need anyone hurting themselves on an empty hole there. All right. You know, I don't think we're going to show this until we do this other part. The other side. Don't just the angle coming in from the north side, turning it that the right way, or the south side. The south side. Yeah, it's hard to make that turn. It's kind of like. Pull around. Kind of think we have it. Theoretically, if the state would allow us to widen and drive like 10 more feet or five more feet, cut that angle. That's the problem. What I told him was I think we could deal with it when we do the other side or work out something. Yeah. Rather than making another separate project. You know, it didn't cross with anything because it is a state highway. We have regulations and we know how it is to deal with that. But there's something we can do when we're on the other side. Right. And I did meet with the attorney down on River Road when I was in the property. The whole case as far as. Up and over the machine or the other side. And we used to set up a joke there. Who knows what that's going to allow us to do. The scooter. The scooter. The scooter. Yeah, that's that'll be interesting. That's sure. Yes. And anything else there? That's it. With Martin, we have an issue with the lawnmower. So face. Last week or a week and a half ago, I got a call from Martin or one of the guys. One more. Just quit. So we found out that the transmission is gone. Martin's been using his mower to mow the lawnmowers. And in the way, it's going to cost us between, he thinks, around $3,500 to have it fixed a little bit more. But he's going to do it. Sean's going to do a little work on it in the shop. But Martin's words, he doesn't see why we don't do it. We really need to go forward and move it. There's nothing else to mow the lawnmower through the sidewalk to this point. So I think we should go ahead and have it fixed. Right? Seems like we should. There's money in the budget. I mean, we've got maintenance money. I checked. There's plenty of it. But it's one of those things that I did ask him before he went into that to make sure that it was worth the money when we got done with it. I don't want to spend $3,500 and then have a $3,000 machine when we're done. How old is the mower? It's not that old. It's probably six or so. It's a little older than that. He's getting some more information. He's getting some trade-in information. But worst case scenario, we may have to go with the, not worst case scenario. We have in front of us, we'll probably have to go with the fix at this point. And it sounds like based on what he's saying, it'll be worth it. I mean, we'll be able to sell them all or get some trade-in. It will be worth, you know, $1,500. Yeah. That's the next follow-up to this one in town, while we get extra costs. Maybe we'll see there out there. You know, there was a group on TV this morning advertising in the Burlington area, and they use all electric cars. How about they use the same machine over five hours long, sidewalk? And they use solar, this particular group of solar, even on their wagon that they covered around in.  It's coming. I'll have him again, share any other information. But worst case scenario, we may be looking at that. It's more of a, not only we have to boat on, but it's going to make you aware that we spend some money on the John Deere. You know, I could do it sometimes, but I don't think we have just the back there, some of the back out, but it really doesn't make any sense to do that. I think we're the plumber that we have. Yeah, no, I mean, that's, that was my original. And if you need to get someone, I mean, I even talked to Eric if you need it once or twice or done, you know, you get him or the, I'm sure there's someone that could fly in and do it for us. But the reason we brought on Stefan is when we figured it all out, we were spending close to 15 grand on Moom. And that's half his salary, more than half his salary. So, yeah, so it makes sense that way. Oh, thanks. Appreciate it. Well, thank you. Appreciate you allowing that. And guys, someone even said to me the other day they wanted to look great. And I was like, well, we could be using a different moor. Yeah, I'm sure we wouldn't be opposed with that conversation. No, I was gonna talk to Martin to have a call around, to figure out what, something like that, you know, what it's all about, teaching the other moor or something like that.  All right, so if that's nothing, that's Ray, you with the Martin, so we got those guys taking care. They are on four days now, four, 10 hour days. I was looking at the schedule coming back. I think we should probably have them back. And I'll look to be sure. I think it's like the second week in September. It's around the fifth or something. That's like the first full week, after late today and such that the schools will be back and then we'll come back then, but we'll finalize that like around that time. It would make sense, but this will give them three or four months, three months to get out there and do four days of work. Did I get around with everyone else? Anyone else have any? I know Don, you said you had some old and new business. Just go ahead and give you up. That's a little bit with, I'm hoping the guys don't all mention it, but I've been thinking I'm not very sure it's a bit of a stress to talk about this, the next school, the sidewalk, I don't think that's going to be the west side. And I'm not quite sure where we are in the process, but I'd like to actually maybe have the board send me or us have to think about putting the brakes on the project for a little bit. And my reason being is one, to get a chance to look a little more at the transportation speeds of the village. And if maybe in working with the state of whatever the transportation we would define like two bike lanes that would work sort of in traffic economy instead of a second sidewalk, we could have maybe added a couple of crosswalks and then just have the one there and got all this other disruption and the possibility of we had rather large extra on this point. So that maybe even if you still do the sidewalks down the road, just maybe give it a little time to look at it. And then as I've been thinking this because you know, I ride through the village and I was thinking about wanting to at least just throw it out the African people to think about. I was over in Gallagher acres this past week. And I found some of the front foot form and met someone there. Just talking to him and gave him a hand on the select board. What do you think this is going to happen over the town hall and such? And he mentioned something very interesting that one of the things that would really help that community over there is another scroll right next to that, next to Gallagher's but there's some housing in there, some apartment houses. That's the plan. And he was saying how really, really badly they need a sidewalk. And I was going, oh, you know, so maybe, you know because our town is so spread out and we do all these, you know, maybe something in the town hall and stuff in our village but you know, we could help maybe if that same sidewalk grant that we're working on maybe we could apply it to there. They got saying if we could have a sidewalk where bike express is, you know it joins the sidewalk with a sidewalk that would find a snow flyer because, you know, they could get to there and then there's a sidewalk all the way in the water. So anyways, just some foods with thought that I'm not sure on the sidewalk on the other side of the village is maybe the answer right now. So that was one thing I wanted to just bring up. I have three others. So please, I'm going to go fast. A while ago, I did do a walk on the sand pit just, you know, a while before Martin had his immigration and then just sort of let him kind of sit there and explain to him. And so we established a list which I didn't bring today. You know, again, I wanted some time in the past five, five, so we need to get better. You know, this, we identified a whole bunch of issues not issues, things. There's even today biking in the town where you can see all the cars park, access to the river. So one of the things I did from that is I took the liberty to do a soil test at UVM. And so to look at the trees, to see if we can help, you know, at least do something, maybe feed the trees or take care of the trees. And I reached out to see how it was really, really busy. So then Mike Brown, you know, as a project consultant as a forester, and he looked at the soil reports and he made some recommendations, you know, based on that. So I'm wondering if we should, I don't know if there's something in this maybe by some fertilizer. I think we could probably get some volunteers. We've got some wood chips there. I don't know exactly all the details but it could help the maple trees or another story, these are the huge, the hues and the seed retreats and we could fertilize those mulch. It needs some more organic matter.  It's very compact area. I'm not sure what will be it. One's dead, two others are just right behind it. Yeah. So, you know, maybe as we get further into the, some of the things that were on this list, we have time, another time, you know, maybe we'll all do a walk there someday or something. There's some other ideas that I brought Craig on a scale over the years, Lansing, about protecting. You know, it's a process to just want to, you know. I think fertilizing, if there are trees down there that we want to say, or that we want, that are good shade trees, they're good, right? No, I think we should take care of them. I mean, if there's a recommendation, you know, why don't we kind of work together? Like you said, with Martin, you know, we'll figure something out. That can't be a hell of a lot to array once you get in the heads up, so that, you know. I know I've talked about it, but on the set, you know, it's all alone, so I'll report it to all, you know, maybe at some point, we'll get to see what you mean to me about it. But I can, Craig, I can work with you on that, yeah, I mean, okay. It really depends on, you're not landscape, or do you know? Oh, no, no, I had to say it, Mike said it, you know. You know, and uh, he's the favorite director, I'm joking. Yeah. Once you need a director, it's a lot of history with that. I mean, Reggie is a DRB recommendation, they got the recommendation from the last day of our set to do the next years, and I just don't think it's really cut out. Yeah, that was way too easy. Yeah, but they've come along, okay. Yeah, they've come along. I mean, I'm a writer, I go much faster. That's why I, that's why, the help of whatever I do, we put you on the right side. Right. Once you put those in there, which when the other ones took off. Yeah, I know it, I know it. And the weather was stirring up the ground when you did it. Yeah.  Yeah. So two more items for the public, for the, why is that two? Yeah. This is a quick one. See this hat? That's exactly what I'm thinking. Maybe we can count this, do this again for the, for this gathering that we're talking about. These are all your moitans on that. No, it doesn't say that. You know? I don't know if you remember when she did these hats. Yeah, it does surprise me. Okay. Yeah, no, it doesn't. It says moitana is a real thing for moitana. And it's all faded now. But maybe it's something we could consider for the. Yeah, I think. We could sell them as a fundraiser for something or no, whatever. What'd you say to those? Yeah, I don't know where she got them, but there's a little place that does that. Yeah, it's going to be a. Most of them. And last but not least, this really is awesome. I was wondering if the board, we're 10 months away to the next election, you know? And I'm just wondering how we can as a board reach out to our community for so many more inclusion or some diversity or something to get some other people involved in our, we have certainly a vibrant committees and people on different committees and so, but how do we get some people maybe to be interested in being on a select board, for instance?  I'm not saying that's that thing, but it would be good to, I don't, and I don't have any answers at the moment, but maybe it's something we can think of and maybe if we want these sounds and have some information that we've been access to, a lot of times we have positions in town that don't get filled. We had people who didn't want to be selected, you know? Anyways, some of the things. Any other? Changing elections, you say? No, no, no, no. Recount. Recounts, that's what I thought you were. So, let's go ahead and zoom in on this. Yeah, actually on the, so here's where we're at. Originally, when CDRPC worked with DDC in terms of a budget, okay, it was based on $40,000 budget. Where, where should I consult and came in at $32,000? And our match was to be 7,500. So right now, what we're looking at is either doing a gravel wetland or a fire retention area, like at Horowitz or at Phillip Square in Waitesfield. If we did that, that would be 6,171. So, where we're at is if we go ahead with the gravel wetland, we're not gonna have to do that 7,500 because the code came in at 32,000. All right, the state will not cover the bio retention. So, it's not a matter of spending more for the bio retention, but rather it's a matter for spending anything versus doing a gravel wetland, I think. So, get it, all right. So, what's? So, right now, we had the meeting with John Schultz and with Alan Brown. John has gotten back two things. Alan has not gotten back to us on anything. They've got, they've had pictures of examples of both the gravel wetland and the bio retention area. In the gravel wetland, unfortunately, examples didn't have that many plantings, but there can be plantings there. The gravel wetland works better. It takes care of 14% more phosphorus than the bio retention. And the drainage is better too because of the gravel. So, I don't know, what do you think? I'm not, I think that again, the gravel wetland has gained longer versus the bio retention. Well, that's, it sounds like it's not going to do any better. I spoke with them today and she said that, you know, the drainage is going to be about the same on either one. Well, I actually thought the gravel wetland was, and the way I understood it, the way I understood it was, eventually you will all drink the gravel wetland and it rains out slowly. So, it all comes back down to staining water. What's our confidence on that? How often or how much staining water do we have? I mean, we're out there when it's fairly broad. There was some staining water out there. And they're asking historically, there's been water out there. Well, the brook is not that far away. In terms of mosquitoes, I know that mosquitoes isn't an issue. Supposedly it takes 12 to 14 days for them to breathe. So, there shouldn't be an issue.  Maybe that's actually, you know, that is the center of town. Yeah. I'd certainly like to look at it as nice as possible. You know, we were, you know, there's another way of looking at it is we were, we were paying $7,500. Now we do the buyer retention, we're paying less. Supposedly the gravel wetland does things better than the buyer retention. How is it drawn now? It's drawn with the gravel. The gravel. How big is that area? That's actually two seconds. Two seconds. We're back here. It comes into a format. Ponds up there, drains from there down to the other portion of the wet. It takes it into the drainage system out here. Eventually it ends up in the river. The initial format is where the water will settle. That's right off the road. And it'll be gravel looking at it. You know, as a stone. And as opposed to otherwise it would be a bigger rock. Is that correct? I think the buyer retention would have a, a more of a precast structure. It's like a spiral structure. Yeah, there's all of a sudden in it. And you have to back to that. That's that's it. Those are there. And doing the buyer retention. So that would be more maintenance to the water potential. Yeah. Right. I was just, I was just. We have to have another. I don't know. That's a project that's saving us. This is $300,000 projects. Frankly, I think the reason we're getting to the minus is we picked up the tab. On the. The greenage. Right. That was, that was really a state responsibility. Yeah. Yeah. That got added to that project. So it's kind of. I'm good. I think I would go forward with that. And let me know. Before. All right. What else you got? Michelle. We never did the tree for that. So. I guess I should touch it. Yeah. I thought you had checked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. All right. I've got. So as I spoke last time. It was. Lindsay. Lindsay Staples had contacted me in. It's my wife. About. More tests. More fast. Or such. So Lindsay put something out on. Front porch. And see if anyone was interested. They didn't. So they met. It's just me and Lindsay showed up. But they've had the interest from other people. In fact, they talked to Michelle. So let me just. Read you this here. To the more time. It's like we're meeting together. Those interested in planning more. More fast. 2021 was worn on front page form. The force was in meeting. One person at the. Pavilion with Lindsay. And the president. Lindsay and Lindsay. And we like. Quests. Nomination to head up. More tests. More fast committee. They have. Research done some research so far. For fireworks. And I. Practical plausible date is September 18th. That's something we wanted to. Look at. So. They're, they're asking for. Refinition as a committee. And they would work with obviously. As they always have in the past. Committee. To run more fast. I'll make that. That's not a good date for me. Why is that? Well, that's well, we can work on the dates. Yeah. I think. Yeah. And then get. The fire department. I think they reached out to step on. And they worked about. I think he said. You know.   Interested in doing corn roast. Okay. Once, that's a good that we're getting this out. So, So, We're not going to be a good date. So we're left. These guys know it. Thanks. But I'm ready made a. Motion. All in favor of what I I'll let them know that the 18 does not work. But try to see if they can come up with some time in the fall and work with the anyone that wants to put more stuff out on the front porch forum to get that and Lindsay's with the PTA. So there that's how the school parties involved so they'll do I think like the beer and that type of stuff that they've done in the past should be really good together and then maybe the committee can have something we can do to pass that type of stuff. So and I suggested that actually Sasha, Evie and the 80s on more work best than you and us. She's worked on that in the past and so she knows a lot of what's going on and then that way just make sure that we get an eye on them. All right. So I guess I don't think there's anything else we have a bunch of stuff to sign. So why don't we go ahead and do that and then get that out of here for everyone. But again, I appreciate everyone's patience in the last year and a half. Zoom. I think everyone's we all managed it pretty well in some times when it didn't work as well as we would have liked it to. It was new for all of us. I appreciate everyone's help and patience and support. Are we going to continue Zoom? What do you guys think? Yeah, I think at this point, I mean, I know they have something planned for our next meeting for one of the presentations. But after that, yeah, I mean like that because the meetings are they're on. If anyone wants to see the meetings, they're publicly available. If you want to come to meetings, you can come to meetings. No, not really. The people that have this will attend them. So the people who want to watch them on Matt TV or whatever the TV is, the scene of the valley will watch them anyways. It's not live. So I think it's been good, but it's rents course. That some of the other towns in the valley, the street in the valley of Fort and it's firsthand. But I guess it's sometimes adapted to be able to allow. Yeah, I looked into it a little bit. One thing you have to do is we have to buy a camera. So you have to camera and then we have to have a projector here you could use. But, you know, I think that's at this point, I don't think we need to do that if there was people that really couldn't get in and get out. The people who can't get out, they don't have technology either, you know, if they're shut-ins, they probably don't have the internet access together anyway. So if someone hears something, someone feels really cut off and they need it, let's look into it and we can invest into something. But at this point, I don't think we need to. Maybe we can check out and find out what the other towns are doing. They may have been able to do it in an economical way that would work. I mean, my feeling is you'd need at least one or two other people to do it. You'd have to have someone run the camera for you. So we'd have to have someone, so he's trying to talk, you know, you'd hand to him. You would need, I don't know, some kind of a microphone, right, so that everyone could hear into it as well. Speaker system. Yeah, I think maybe we'll, maybe I could just thank you for following us on what's going on here. Yeah, tomorrow, but it might be something that people who actually would like, you know, they would like to be able to see what we're all watching. Sure, we can look into it.  I don't know what it's all about. All right, anything else? All right, so let's pass those down, John. A couple of them and we'll start with these up here. And the passes to one without the Yeah. Where you can just get on your bike, John. There's a couple of pets on top and then there's the audit that needs to be. We all set then everyone. All right, ready in seconds. All right, all in favor. All right. All right. Thank you, everyone. Good night, everyone.