We can win this war. We can win this war? OK, well, joining us from Orlando, Florida is the man in that clip, Anthony Dream Johnson, who says he wants to abolish feminism and make women great again. No, but it also says, with the trademark, make women great again for women. Always great. Make women great again. But they're going to do a three-day seminar for women led by all men. In mansplaining news, a three-day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again. How the 22 convention will make you the greatest you ever. Raise your femininity by 500%. First of all, how is a man supposed to tell a woman how to be the ultimate woman? Well, women need to be taught how to be great again. Oh, yes, we do. How to land a husband. How to lose weight.  Why do men think they need to fix the problems of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women. In Orlando, Florida, that's going to be the scene of the crime. It's mansplaining platoosa. And say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma. Taught by men to make women great again. Taking the stage now is the founder of the 22 convention. You're in for a treat, Mr. Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony Dream Johnson. The first president of the manosphere. It's run by all men, which promises to quote, make women great again. This course is guaranteed to raise your femininity by 500%. Together, we will make women great again. Excuse me, I'm mansplaining here. She said there's nothing wrong. Welcome to the inaugural red man group for the 22 convention, the very first one, the year is 2020. A lot of things happened in 2020. And for me, this is the most exciting thing this year. We have a great panel of experts, opinions, expert opinions. And first guy on the panel, I'd just like you to introduce yourself. My name is Pat Steadman. And I'm a dating and relationship coach for men. I'm Socrates. And I am a, I guess, a dating coach, a mentor. And a strong advocate for father and fathering. I am Anthony Dream Johnson, first president of the manosphere and founder of 21 Studios and the 21 convention and 22 convention. And I'm George Bruno, the moderator of this panel. I'm Jennifer Molesky. And I have a YouTube channel where I mainly talk about self-responsibility. I just want everyone to be fulfilled within themselves. I'm Coach Greg Adams, author of the Free Agent Lifestyle and the Evolution. The links are in the description box below. I'm Michael Foster, and I'm a pastor. What I want to talk about first, number one, this is a new event here in the same way that the Patriarch Convention last year was a new event. And a risk. You never know when you do something new. You just never know how things are going to be received by people. And Anthony, I have to say that it started out very controversial. The phrase, and I'm going to start with you, was make women great again, which is probably the most triggering phrase of 2020. Tell us about the origin of that before we actually start with the reactions to the convention. And you were there when we first unveiled, I think, in 2018, right? Yeah, I love that moment, man.  So make women great again actually came from two people. Actually, Stéphane Mollinou actually, I think, was the first one ever made a video on it. He had a video before he was nuked from YouTube this year. And it was called make women great again, but it was about voting and politics and stuff. It wasn't like what we're doing now. But I'd seen that. And then I saw Richard Nicolai, a good friend of mine, and along my speaker of this convention, the 21th convention for men several times over. And he had made a gag hat that was very similar to make women great again. It said make women great again, but it was layered in four tiers. They didn't have the style of this, which is part of what makes it very triggering. Because it looks like a MAGA hat, but it's not. It's make women great again. Anyway, I saw him post that randomly on Facebook or a friend of his, this girl he made it for, in 2018, right before the 2018 21 convention, which was huge that year. Over 200 people came out, it was huge. Anyway, I saw that late at night, two in the morning, we're exhausted, the event's about to start. My staff had just flown in from around the country and stuff for the event. Camera guys, event staff and stuff. And I saw it on Facebook from him and that girl, two in the morning, I just fell in love immediately.  In 2018, you're in the middle of Trump's first term, the country's still getting, even now in 2020, they still haven't accepted him as president, right? All the fake news crap, but I just knew immediately when I saw it, I was like, if I turn that into a better hat immediately and do something with it, I just, I saw a vision for it. Like I could see almost in the future with it.  They'll tell you the story, I was like, live it with excitement for it. And very much, I guess I was seeing what would happen with it if we put together into a speech and into a conference sometime. And I also figured out pretty quickly because I wove it into my speech that year, the future is still masculine. I was in my keynote at the 2018 21 convention. I knew it was gonna provide, I get sense it was gonna provide the foundation for the 22 convention, which I thought of in 2015, a playoff of 21 for a conference for women. But I didn't start it for a couple reasons and one of the main ones that lacked a fundamental thrust of intellectual foundation and direction to take with it. And we could have just done it anyway, self-improvement for women, but I don't like doing generic stuff.  So it all kind of came together and I announced it in my speech and the men went nuts. You can see the video, everyone's hooping and hollering as Jesse might say. And so the men were very supportive when I said that and put the hat on for the first time ever on camera, which eventually ended up on mainstream news and all the stuff this year. That's kind of the origin. And I would have done it in 2019, but I focused first on the patriarch event, like you mentioned. I had that idea from Hunter Drew and Tanner who talked to me, Hunter talked to me about it. So that's why we didn't do it in 2019. I put the focus on patriarch and on Poland, so international event last year. And I knew that in 2020, we could make women great again. And when we launched it, it just went viral. I mean, I've never seen it like that in my life personally. It's gotta be one of the most successful viral marketing campaigns in internet history recently anyway and in the man's sphere by far. Reached 150 million people. 150 million people. That's it, boom. What do they say? Marketing is what you pay for, publicity is what you pray for. And wow, you prove that. Thank you. Well, let's talk to the world's foremost expert in hypergamy, I say that jokingly. Mr. Pat Steadman, what is your impression of the weekend of make women great again? What are your thoughts? I mean, I thought it was an incredible event and it really exceeded even like my biggest expectations for it. You had a really, really good audience that I think was pretty open-minded. And I liked how they engaged. I mean, it wasn't like they just accepted everything. There was some tension at points and I thought a lot of questions were really good and I feel like it was a good part to create a dialogue, which I think we really need. And so there's a lot of women who came into the room who were much more sort of aligned with our thinking and others who I really applaud them for having the curiosity to come here and well, let's hear what they have to say. And I think that everybody came out of it really with their consciousness raised. I mean, this is a, as we talked about in the other red man group, 21 convention one.   I mean, as a relationship coach, as a dating coach, I just see how it just, it's ruining people's happiness. Men and women are having a really, really hard time getting together and connecting because of all this garbage that's making them hate each other. And so I think if we want a healthy society, we want happy relationships, we want babies, right? This is a really, really important step in the right direction and I don't think anyone's ever done anything like this before, so I'm very, very positive about it. Yeah. It was kind of interesting because I, I mean, I didn't see any blue hair here. Yay! Yeah. That was just a step in the right direction. We did take a risk because you never know how these things are gonna go.  And you did receive a lot of crap. Well, nasty women, the violence threats, they started to bomb the event. They wanted us to get shot, like a mass shooting.  And I got used to last year, I had a lot of that from the inner manospheres and toxic crap there, but it was substantially larger than that. I mean, it was thousands and it wasn't as to me, it was the speakers. You guys were getting your inboxes flooded, it was everywhere. Were there other men doing the threats? Like, were there manosphere guys, men's community guys that were against this? They were. I didn't get any threats from them that I know of for this event, but they were very annoyed by it. They were very pessimistic about it. You can't make them agree it again. Women are gonna respond to any sort of dialogue or logic.  Not that other elements of persuasion are unimportant, you know, emotional and physical and being there in the presence. Up here, this is a performance too. It's not just some intellectual, like this isn't like writing in a book. This is, that's something too, but this is a whole performance up here. You see someone's face, you see how they move, you see what's going on, the lighting, the audience, the engagement, the eye contact, the physicality of it. So yeah, there was some pushback on the manosphere, but those guys are all losers and nobody cares about them anymore. Socrates, your impression of this weekend and your impression of when it was initially conceived? Oh boy, the initial conception, let's start with that. I was faced, I guess, with a second occurrence in my life is that, you know, you talk about history repeating itself or similarities of history. Over a decade ago, literally in this hotel, there was an opportunity to be part of a function, under 21 convention by a very, very young punk who just had more drive than anybody was comfortable with and no was simply not an answer and he was gonna not accept failure. He was gonna will it in existence. He literally created reality and he did. And more than a decade later, we're discussing the need to have a conversation with women, the need for men to speak up in an organized way about the changes taking place in our culture and take ownership of that and have that discussion. And I also realized that that conversation was highly threatened. It was verboten. There will be consequences which I think in all honesty and sincerity, while we may not have had a bomb threat or an assault today or this weekend, I don't think the ramifications are over. I think it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the public sector once the videos are released and in very direct ways I know I've been threatened, my family's been threatened, my four-year-old daughter has been essentially threatened with sexual assault. Because of a position I dare say to hold women accountable to what they say, I find that incredibly vile. So that this time I back the winning horse despite all opposition and rationality say no, not me, not my family, not my job, not my child. And I sit here today being very, very proud of the man to my left. How did the weekend, here we are. How did the weekend go? We're at the end of this event. What do you think? I think it was a rare gift. I think there was some exchanges. I know I was the first one up. I didn't know if I was gonna get rocks or panties thrown at me. I know I was hoping for one, not the latter. But it was an opportunity for me to, for the first time, have women hear what a man has to say in an honest, sincere way. The second was, I was able to hear women firsthand their stories of how they were sold to bill of goods and how they've been hurt and damaged and how it's affected their lives. And the emotional impact of hearing those stories firsthand, looking at the person's eye and having that exchange is not something you find on YouTube or read in a book. And I find that terribly, terribly impactful. I'm, this can't stop. And so I'm very optimistic about the steps we're taking. I think they're long overdue. And I think it's just been a tremendous weekend and event and I am absolutely looking forward to being part of this again in the next round. I told more than a couple of women this weekend, the attendees, that your voice is important, that we're not here to preach at anybody. We're here to create a dialogue. And even though there was a lot of, I don't think it was so much bravado. I know you took a big risk with the words that you used in promoting this. And some people took offense at the words and I think what's gonna happen is some of the fallout of the attendees on social media is gonna soften some of that because it's not, this is not what it initially appeared it was gonna be.  I kind of did that in my talk. Yeah, yeah. Make sandwiches great again. Sandwiches, babies, and cookies. But everybody's voice is important. And I think everyone has a role in speaking. Everyone has a role in listening. And that leads us to Jennifer Molesky. What do you think of the weekend? I liked it. I'm really honored to have been chosen to speak here. I really believe what I say. And it's interesting because I've been saying to people, I feel like there's a one thought of red pill is that it's a red pill and it is given.   Go do with it what you will unique human. And that's what I found with all the speakers. It was just a lot of different people saying here's information, here's what I think would behoove you. Here's a suggestion, but go unique one. And it was really, it was awesome. Yeah, there's no purity test for the red pill or for the manosphere. It's not like everyone has to recite a common creed. Every single person on this panel is different. Everyone has different content, but we come together and create an event. Well, is it a brand or a truth? Can you brand a truth? Intellectual Property Rights would say no, I don't think, but, and that's kind of how I see it. If you want to brand it, fine. But then it doesn't become truth anymore. An axiom can't be owned by anyone, but I'm a woman, so I'm not sure I could be wrong. Coach Greg Adams, you are new to this organization. You had the pleasure of coming when we had three events under the same roof. Your thoughts please. Well, I believe the time is overdue for us to look at the measurements of feminism and be able to evaluate it without being silenced. And Anthony provided the opportunity to do so. And you had several women that came out. They exhibited a lot of courage to sit here and listen to men give their perspective finally without shame, ridicule, emotional responses. They all were there to hear a logical presentation about it. So they exhibited a lot of courage, but I think a lot of the speakers weren't just speaking to the attendees. They were speaking to the audience that is going to watch this after the videos were published. Overwhelmingly, I thought the support was there after my presentation. People came to me after the fact and said that they appreciated what we were talking about. A lot of people that have been through generations in America that have seen what I call the death, debt and destruction as a result of feminism. And I'm hoping that those individuals who chose to attend will be willing to talk to the generation Z, the alpha generation that follows them to give them an opportunity to not experience the decrease in the birth rate, the divorce rate, the lack of marital rate that we have going on in this country. And of course I'll talk about in my book, The Evolution, the Barbarian is now at the gate. What are we gonna do? So right now we had an opportunity to provide our feedback. And I think now more men will have courage to be able to speak about these issues. Mr. Michael Foster, Pastor Foster, I've known you for a couple of years virtually on Twitter. We both spoke at a conference last year, about a year ago, men's conference. And I've watched you speak the truth, the world on Twitter. I've watched you get rocks thrown at you. I was really quick, man. Bob, we've talked, it was fine. And I thought to myself, I wonder if Michael Foster would be appropriate for the 21 convention, I thought to myself, is he too Christian for this? But I saw that the truth that he talked about is applicable to everybody. And I always say that the truth is offensive before it's effective. Give me your perspective of this weekend as a first time speaker. Sure, so destroying feminism or exposing feminism for the lie that it is and the destruction it causes is part of the common good, right? So if you're in a neighborhood and everyone has their own houses, they have their own ideas and their own families and there's poison going into your water supply, you all have a vested interest in stopping that, right? So we all have a vested interest in watching our daughters not be destroyed by feminism, but be allowed to be what God made them, which is women, right? And men be men. So my perspective is very simple, is that on the sixth day, God created man, in his image he created them, male and female he created them, right? So mankind is equal and worth and value, but exist in two different varieties, male, female, and then he says it is good. So it's good to be a man, it's good to be a woman, it's not good for a woman to pretend to be a man or a man to pretend to be a woman. And so as part of the common good, or I can be on the stage with you guys, we're at the very least co-bulligerents in trying to take down something that is hurting people, right? Feminism isn't pro-woman, they keep telling women to be men and they're bad at it, right? So my perspective is that there's good work being done here, there's a lot of people, you know, we all disagree about things, that's the beauty of it, we can argue about it, we're not trying to water things down, but at the same time, what we agree about is this, this is bad, this is bad for society, it's bad for culture, and more than anything, it is bad for women. Let's go right back to Mr. Pat Steadman. Is marriage important? I think it's essential. I mean, I don't know how you build a society without it. And I'm a pretty nuanced guy, I mean, people who saw my talk, like I try to understand and like very empathize with some of the situations that were in society that maybe laid the foundation for feminism to come in. I try to acknowledge legitimate grievances.  But eventually you come to this point and it's like almost universal with the guys I work with, which is that they really just want to find a great woman and they want to start a family.   And it's not good for society because you have, I mean, women don't like doing that. I know from talking to women, they're very frustrated with dating too. They want to find a great guy. They, a lot of them, they want to start families too. But this wedge that feminism's created between the sexes, it really makes it so that neither of them can get what they want, which is to form stable partnerships that are really meaningful and that they can build a future from.  But then even the children you have are gonna have terrible outcomes. And we just see that the data on this is so clear at this point. Men and women need to work together to fix society. We can't just do it one of us. And I think this is why the 22 convention was so important because we need to get women on board with a true equality and really together both sexes building a better future. Notice I'm asking married men is marriage important. And if they have a spouse in the audience, they better give the right answer. Socrates, is marriage important? It's fundamental to any healthy society, any healthy civilization.  To that effect, we also can sit down and say across all time, all generations, all continents, cultures, marriage is the most streamlined, efficient method of social governance. It's essentially two people choosing to create life and create children and to raise those children and to transcend and educate their social values through their offerings. And it's a continuation of their particular genetic lines in the species and the society it needs to go on. So it's critical there. And I think if you look at the state of any culture and look at marriage and how it's regarded, how equitable that institution is, it will tell you a tremendous amount about the health and vitality of that society and culture.  Extremely so. Like they're saying, I agree completely that it's necessary for civilization and without it, it's not gonna last. The West will die and we'll enter what comes after the West if it falls from the collapse of families and marriages and things as we're seeing, along with the collapse of gender relations would be like the next dark age. So I'd prefer that to not happen. I'd prefer we have a renewal and a new enlightenment, a masculine enlightenment, like I talked about my speech, a masculine rebirth, a feminine rebirth, which I think is what we're basically overseeing with a man's fear. I will diverge a little bit though on that and I have been for several years now since about 2012. I've been very opposed to government involvement in marriage.  And we're seeing that go off the rails now with alimony and child support and all this divorce, all the whole divorce.  It's unhealthy and it's toxic and government is fundamental to this. It's not just feminists and feminism and all this, government is the tool and the method that they use, the hammer they used to do this. Government is a big problem in marriage and government needs to get out. Marriage is important but it should be a private religious ceremony. And I'm saying that as an atheist. So if you're not religious, it would not be religious in that case but most people are to my knowledge. So it would be a private religious ceremony which I did on my own years ago back in 2014 and that's all to do again at some point in the future when I'm building a family. I'm gonna find a good baby mama.  And it's like I talked about with polylam it does nothing to cause problems. Not only in terms of risk management for men but also it gives women today because the government has been weaponizing against men in this way.  Socrates knows her too. She said once that if she was given a choice early on in the full fact, she would not have gotten legally married to her husband but would have still built a life with him because she said basically getting married as a woman to a man, it's like someone's giving you a loaded gun pointing it at your husband's head and they're like don't pull the trigger for the next 40 years.  So yeah, government involvement marriage is a big problem. They need to get out and Congressman Ron Paul, former congressman was a big advocate of this so Senator Rand Paul currently and I think a few other politicians currently are interested in this. And I'm- It's also a point of view. Yeah. An absolute power.  There's plenty of them out there, like BP chicks and stuff, whatnot. They told me that, he said maybe in his speech and told me directly that if the vampire can only come into your home if you invite the vampire in. And he was referring more specifically to crazy women bringing them into your life and the problems that comes with as a man. But I view it also in terms of government inviting it into your home. You need to keep the government out of your home unless it's an absolute emergency. Domestic violence, things like that.  Marriage is an obvious one. You don't need the government to have a wedding. You can have a wedding. You can trade rings. You can trade last names. They can legally take your last name. There's a lot you can do on your own without government officiating it and getting involved and tipping the balance of power in a woman's direction which she doesn't want anyway.   I recently announced to my audience on YouTube and social media that I'm open to marriage for the first time in 17 years after a divorce. And the comments have been very interesting. Everything from, you know, rots of ruck to I wouldn't get married as long as the government has anything to do with it. And all I said was that I'm open to marriage and if it doesn't happen, then that's fine. I have no problem. I've lived successfully for 17 years. But people feel very, very strongly about the issue. I think marriage is important. Many people said I would do it but I wouldn't do it through the government. Same thing, same thing. Jennifer Molesky is marriage important. Yes, maybe this would be a good time. We're talking about relationships and whatnot. The government, what did you say? The government should stay out of this? Completely out of marriage, Jim. Huge advocate of that. I think the government should stay out of everything. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I. That's just me. I'm very much about volunteerism. I'm an anarchist within, I believe, and no ruler, certainly not the government. But that's not the question. I just want to convert everyone into anarchists but that's not gonna happen. Yeah, I do think that government is, I know, whoa, I do think that marriage is important. It's an agreement and if we can't come to terms with what we're doing, then we can't come to terms. So I don't mind what you said about even having at a spiritual ceremony. It's fine.  And I think a small community, now I'm gonna get into how I think wedding should go, I think that you should have a small community that does hold you accountable. A trustworthy community that can mentor you through that but also, I'm just being repetitive now to hold you accountable. Yes, I believe in marriage. However you wanna do it. But I don't believe in government. That's it. Okay. Now this is where we're gonna take a turn when we go to Coach Greg Adams. I know Coach has a different opinion and I don't disagree with him at all. And I told him too that he is an important voice in this world. Coach, Greg Adams is marriage important. I think many people will be surprised by my answer on this one.  Now, before I say that, I believe marriage is about a lot of things but at least these two things, building families and building community. Now, can you say that either exists very well right now? There's not a lot of communities. Not many people know their neighbors. Families have been destroyed. Now, when it comes to men, I believe men overwhelmingly want to be married. I've been married. I wish I had a successful marriage. Many men that have been divorced wish they had a successful marriage and many men in here, I know when we did the Patriarchy, the Patriarch talk, they wanted children. They wanted marriages. Now, when I say the three tenets of the free agent lifestyle, I say that for two reasons. Namely, people brought it up already, the government. Their involvement has destroyed the institution of marriage. They don't give many couples options and they interfere. I try to advise men of what they can anticipate if they decide to be married. And therefore, if they don't do their due diligence and they rely on the media to sell the marriage, which they say it's about love. Well, then what's gonna happen is he's gonna find out the hard way that there are judges, mediators, lawyers, child support offices, child protective services, court county clerks, a lot of people that are involved in the institution of marriage, which benefits the court if your family is destroyed. So I say those three tenets as a means to have a silent protest until there is marriage reform. And if there is marriage reform, then we can say, let's be about family and community again. Until then, I tell men, you really have to do your homework. Not only with the woman that you wanna be involved with, but what the family law codes are associated with. If you are one of the 60% of first divorces, 70% of second marriages dissolving and almost 80% of third marriages dissolving with eight out of 10 of them being women initiating them. So is the woman important here? Is your selection of that woman important? Well, she will dictate whether she will lead you to the slaughter. Until then, I say no to marriage until we resolve the issue. I looked up the definition of keeping it real and there was a picture of Coach Greg Adams. There's a lot of people who when you're talking, they're going, la, la, la, la, I'm not listening to you, la, la, la, I'm getting married no matter what. And they wanna drown you out. And I'm glad you are here adding some balance to things because you're not lying. Very few people call me a liar, okay? So a lot of people call me a lot of things. They say, you're bitter, you're hurt, you failed at your relationship, although there's a million divorces per year, per year in this country.  And when people start calling me a liar, then I will have to find solutions to adjust my message. But the truth is the truth, whether you like it or not, I advise men to not live by the hope strategy because hope is not a strategy. You can't hope, wish anything you have to know and not only know, you have to accept. You wanna accept the data, you accept it for what it is. Facts don't care about your feelings. Absolutely not. Which leads us to Pastor Michael Foster. Is marriage important? In the spirit of the coach here, all right? I'll give you an answer you're probably not gonna expect, okay? You should probably not get married. If your definition of marriage is finding someone that completes you and makes you happy and it's this romantic idea, that idea of marriage isn't biblical, it's not historical, that's a product of romanticism and a lot of changes that happened slowly over the last couple centuries, right? I love my wife, I miss her, I can't wait to get home to where I'm dying to get back. She doesn't complete me. She's not my soulmate and she doesn't exist to make me happy, right? And I don't exist to make her happy. In people's marriage, they find out that when you put two people together in an enterprise that is a household and raising children, that you don't always see eye to eye and it's difficult and the person who you thought was gonna complete you and make you happy is actually a source of conflict and trouble, right? And that leads marriages in a bad place. Put all the calculating stats and risk adjustment all that aside for a moment and just say the way we think about marriage is wrong and that's what, that needs to change too, right? And you wanna find people that have that same view, a woman that thinks of marriage in the same way that you do. And the old Westminster standards, which is big for Presbyterians, gives three purposes for marriage, right? Which is helpful companionship, propagation of a godly seed having kids and protection against sexual immorality or to enjoy each other sexually. That's the purpose of marriage, not to complete you. Well, you're the guy who has a very high notch count with the same woman. Yeah, that's right. Well, here's the truth. I'm happy. Married people are happy. You don't feel like you're missing out? No, I'm not missing out. I'm not here so much to criticize people as I am to tell you that there are happy married people been happy for a long time. I miss my wife. I can't wait to get back to her. That might be blue pill.  You know what? So what? Come on. I love being married. And it's great. It's a gift from God. It's a bad time. So we do have to tell men the truth that getting married is like a boat that's going through a bay that's got a lot of jagged rocks in it. There's a lot of ways to get damaged. But this has happened before. After the Reformation, a lot of people were scared of getting married. Law was all jacked up. That's where our marriage ceremonies come from. People were like, these guys would say, hey, let's get hitched.  They called them haystack marriages. And that's when they started saying, hey, we should probably have public witnesses.  And now he says we're not. And so we've had marriage reformed before. And we absolutely need it again. But it starts with changing what you think marriage is about. I think it's about creating a household with the glory of God, a productive home where children are raised. And it's amazing how arranged marriages work. They work for a reason because their definition of marriage is different than Americans. Americans are self-exorbed narcissists. And that's got to change, right? And then marriage will be important for more people, not just for married men with a high notch count. Excellent. Yeah, I actually wanted to jump in anyway. I was getting some water, but. One of the things that I found, it's like so incredible about marriage is the alchemy within it. And if you want to grow as an individual, there's nothing that helps you to see yourself. It's like having a mirror put up to you. And so I really, really strongly believe in that. And I think that there's really, I mean, obviously marriage needs, the laws need reform at the very least. I don't really have an opinion based on whether or not the government should be involved in it or not. My wife, we had to use the government to get her over here because she was an immigrant. So I have, I don't know how that would work under a non-government system. But, yeah, then you open borders then.  It's like the test on your frame, your test as a man, like to be a man is like 10 X in a marriage because she can always see, like she gets very aware of you and she can see when you're off point. And so as a man, you don't have just the opportunity to maybe fake it for a situation. You have to really internalize it. So anyway, I think that people have to, again, go through their process and not, if you're not ready for a marriage, right? If you're not mature enough to get involved with that and understand what you're getting into. And certainly if you're blind to the risks because there are serious risks, especially with the legal structure, you shouldn't do it. But I do think also as a man, I mean, some of the things that are scary about getting inside of a marriage are things that are actually really important for your growth. George, can I make another point, please? We haven't discussed this. I mean, we talked about family, but the children that are produced from marriages or produced from non-marriages, baby mama style, right? These children are exposed to a lot more dangers via divorce and the baby mom syndrome, single motherhood. Okay, these kids are at risk for being criminals, highly likely to go to prison, more than two kids raised in two-parent households. You gotta think, the only alternative to raising families is either have that kid stay with one parent or have them in a co-parent relationship, right? Where the kid lives in a backpack from the point of origin.  Would you like to live in a suitcase or backpack for your entire childhood? Think about this. Week to week, you go back and forth from one parent to the other. There's two rules, two set of rules, two castles. This is not healthy. We think about each other. Oh, I would love to love someone, complete. All of the things that we talked about, not many people talked about what children actually experience as a result of this. And now these children become the future leaders. What are their relationships gonna look like? They're out there doing monkey double backflips on the carousel and we know it. Look at the WAP culture and et cetera. They know nothing about family. And not to mention, people that are raising single-parent households who attempt marriage are failures at it overwhelmingly. I believe it's like 70 or 80% of people from single-parent households who get married are divorced because they don't know what it is about. It is about the children. And we get too selfish and we misunderstand what it's about. It's about family, it's about the children. We need to keep that in perspective when we look at the options that we have with them. Let's pivot here. How does a woman find a husband, attract a husband, create a husband? How does that happen? Nuts and bolts. Pat. Well, I think that the first things, I mean, the sort of basics of being in shape, it seems kind of silly to hammer this point home, but as Anthony's pointed out, I mean, you can't really say that women in America overall are in particularly good shape. And I mean, a lot of the men are not either, but this goes for men and women. I mean, if you're out of shape, like you're dating prospects are really, really low. And I mean, I've even talked to this with some guys who were interested in working with me. And I'm like, one of the things I ask guys, I'm like, we'll describe yourself to me physically. And you don't have to be in perfect shape or anything, but when you have some guys like I'm 300 pounds and it's like, we'll work with a personal trainer and get in shape before we start this process because you're just playing the game on hard unnecessarily. And I think this is particularly the case for women because they have some less variables to attract attention from themselves. And the 300 pound guy could be like a millionaire and he could be very loud or whatever, compensate for things. So that's the first point. I also think it's really important to have like healthy communities of women who have similar values, want the same sort of thing as you, and who will help to amplify our femininity. A lot of women today spend time, I think part of this is the product of having some really stressful work and I empathize with that. We always have to deal with the context of an individual's experience, but a lot of women today are not really brought up in circles that encourage them to be feminine or attractive to guys. So I think that women who come to events like this or connect with women who are interested in having healthy relationships and being attractive to men, that's a really important step because as that energy builds and they simply put themselves out there into the world, men are gonna be drawn to them, especially because there really is like not a lot of competition. I mean, we've talked a little bit about Poland for instance, where a lot of the women there, the women there are in overall quite good shape and they're feminine and there is actually like, I mean, there's more competition between girls there, but in America when a girl does even these basic things, guys are like mesmerized because there's just not a lot of that. So I mean, those are the things that I would start with. I think it's really important to surround yourself with communities though, because people in general, but I think especially women, really become products of their circles. And so if you're out with, if you have some friends who are really just sort of loud and get drunk all the time and basically are promiscuous and sort of I would say more importantly here, are just like unconscious, like they're just sort of going through the motions and they're not thinking about anything they're doing, I would get new friends because those girls are gonna rub off on you and there are women who really, who care about the stuff, who really care about like having these healthy relationships and in dating, like good men, so. Now, I used to teach a course on the psychology of career development and job seekers would say there's no good jobs out there. Employers would say there's no good candidates out there and they're all looking in the wrong places and then of course apps started being developed that would bring people with talents and skills together with employers. There's men that say there's no good women out there, there's women that are saying there's no good men out there. How does a woman find a man, Socrates? You've got a good look. You gotta believe in the possibility. Again, I think Pat was touching on it as well. The pond you fish in determines the fish you're gonna catch, particularly with men.  But in particular with women, I think natural selection is gonna absolutely dominate. So the physical appearance of the elements of survival, provision, seduction, those three major categories making up natural selection traits are gonna be predominant, but the relationship thresholds are always excelled not through natural selection, but by social selections, the virtuous traits of being within a relationship. I, for example, I can honestly say that I was sexually attracted to my partner, Mary Frances. I mean, it was very obvious it was acute. There was a chemical response, but that's not why she captured my attention long-term. She captured my attention by being absolutely irreplaceable, the virtuous nature of her character, of her being, how she run her life, and not the things she said, but the things that she did. And I don't mean like sandwiched up, but the areas that would you normally not look at, to the point that I don't just call her Mary Frances. She's always the Mary Frances, to distinguish every other Mary Frances in the world from her, and I think you need to go looking for that. And in many ways, you're gonna have to go shop. Women are gonna have to take accountability and agency for this. If this is important to them, they're gonna have to go interview. They're gonna have to make it their job to find and to create that, and to, and I don't think they have to necessarily be the man's role, but I think that they have to put themselves in an advantageous position to find the appropriate individual and cross paths. You know, if we're talking social network, how do I find and track that winning job? How do I make myself indispensable to that employer? How do I create the job that's not there? One of the most important ways I think you could do that is by social introduction. A friend of a friend who you highly recommend. And to do that, to traffic that, you're gonna have to be vetted by that community and to be engaged in that community and be found reputable within that community before you can have that referral. And that is gonna be far more beneficial than any other means of attraction and connection you're gonna probably find. Unfortunately, we don't typically have those, particularly where men and women can cross socially. Those institutions exist, but they're friend on by today. In many cases, they're religious-based. They're community-organizational-based. And so, you know, look at those things, you know. And I would sit down and say, you're gonna have to take a proactive role, particularly in this dating environment. It's vicious, it's cutthroat. Lesser women have commodified it for you. And there's not a whole lot of benefits for a man of quality and worth, even of a marginal level, to sit down and say, I can rent when I don't have to own. And it's far more economically impact. The other heinous thing that feminism has done, it has literally drained it of femininity. And if feminism had concerns about women, they would be concerned about this loss of femininity. They're biological, natural self. I think all these things have to change. But on an individual level, ladies, you're gonna have to do it for yourselves.  You know, you know, the notion of what's the lyrics? I'll, the relatively applied one. I don't cook, I don't clean. Let me show you how I got this ring. You're gonna get those results.  Or I'm sorry, her marriage lasted less than a Carly's. I think that's a terribly horrible thing to see and to be indoctrinated and embraced by this culture. So I would say actively go, you wanna know brainer? Come to an event like this and you're gonna find a room of guys that are interested in it. And in all fairness, if you were really serious about finding a decent guy, don't go to the Women's Convention. Go to the 21 Convention. Go to the Patriarch Convention. There are single guys there that are looking to be fathers. They're looking to be better men and they wanna know how because they weren't fathered themselves. You want serious men? There's a convention for that. I can show you a room. You know, personally, you asked me in passing, when am I gonna let my daughter date? We're starting now. And I'm introducing her to a room of men and developing a culture of men that I will be proud to introduce her to. And by reflection of the people I associate with myself, she will see the type of men she should choose for herself. And that's happening here because of this 17-year-old punk. Can I comment on that real quick? Boy, it's a little older now. That's great. What you said at the end, pastors, we share notes. Like, hey, we got these people in our congregation. Well, can we match them? So I really do think, I don't know what to do about women in their really late 20s and 30s right now, in particular in the 30s. But with the younger women, what I would say is look for a family that's in your community that you trust. If you don't have a strong family you're coming from that can help filter for you because we're in your corner and we'll connect you with good guys. The other thing is stay off social media, ladies. Like Instagram, because in terms of competing, you don't wanna compete with those people. Those are terrible people, right?  And social media has caused incredible damage to them, kind of like video gaming at an extreme level has for men.  It makes everything a big show. And that's what I tell every guy, like, have you seen her Instagram? Like, what's she about? Have you seen her social media? Like, right away, that's what I, and they're telling me, well, here's her dating app picture. I'm like, oh my gosh, man. Let's get off the apps, meet them in the wild. This is not the way to go. But I think, ladies, if you're young, stay off social media.  Like, happy marriages and women that are happy. My wife's very feminine and she is willing to disciple young women. I know that not a lot of that is out there, but if it is out there, take advantage of it. That'll help. That'll help protect you from making a poor decision. And last one, marry for demonstrated potential. Catch them on their way up. That's what, you have to catch people on their way up. When they're at the top, like, Emily and I are like, you know, the tree where it grows around the fence, right? We've grown around each other. We've been together so long. We just, we're, don't wait, don't wait till they're fully developed. When you see the trajectory that potential they demonstrate, like, you know, look at them and show them that you're interested.  If you do that, probably not. So. It's almost like Alan, Roger Curry, which you would think that talking about direct approach in this scenario wouldn't fit, but can a man or can a woman say to each other, I want to explore spending the rest of my life with you. Is that a possibility, Michael Foster? Well, that's exactly what I did. So now we were young.  I got, I got together with my wife in 1999 before the internet has caused a lot of the, the big troubles we're dealing with right now. But I walked her home and I said, look, I'm gonna go into the ministry.  Now I'd like to get to know you more, but if you can't imagine being part of that, like, this is not, this is not for me, right? It's not for you either. And, you know, I had a real strong mission, made her swoon and here we are, you know, eight kids later, it's been good, but I think you can say that. But in the beginning, guys keep faking everything. Instead of being interested, like instead of being, trying to be interesting, just be interested. People just need to like enjoy life when they first meet each other, relax a little bit and stop the performing. And I think of ladies would just actually take interest in men and just hear them out and talk and see where you'll find out who's in front of you and then introduce them to your community like Socrates was saying, that's huge. A lot of people believe in this, the right one, or you'll meet someone when you least expect it.  All these like strange myths about meeting people. Coach Greg Adams, how does a woman meet a man? How does she get married if she desires to be married? I told the 22 convention people, I said one of the worst things to happen to not only humanity, but to women is that they place the camera into their hands. Social media obviously is an issue. If you really were intentional about it, you have to be intentional. You have to delete all your social media apps and dating apps. A lot of people live in major metropolitan areas with 10 million people. That's where my county has the divorce rate is 72%. But how is it possible you have 10 million people you can't find one? It's impossible because your heads down into your phone and not only that, we've limited socially how you can interact with people. Sexual harassment is anything. They can just say it is anything. Cold approaching, I think the PUA industry did a disservice to a lot of people because now women are on guard a little bit. Coach Greg, there are women in this audience that don't know what PUA is. So that's pickup artistry, which was popularized in the late 90s into, I mean, it's a little bit now, they call them dating coaches or there's a little bit of cross section there. But now there's men teaching men how to pick up women, but I noticed that women are watching those channels too. So now they're like, I know what you're gonna say to me or do to me before you even get here. But I can no longer approach a woman on the street without her being on guard or be susceptible to a harassment claim. Can't date them at work. Can't say certain things at school. It becomes dangerous, especially at the college level with the amount of claims, false or accurate claims of date raping, okay? So now I think with those systems in place, does it make it difficult to now find a person? Yeah. And now her head's down the entire time. She has 100,000 followers and here I am. Can I out intention, out attention her 100,000 people on her dating apps and social media with just me? With limitations on how I meet her, it becomes difficult. So I think with the internet, it has smartened us up but it now has made it complicated for us to meet people and not only that, some of you guys got here and you got on your tinder, you got on your bumble and you said who's it? Where the hell's that? All right, soon as you got into town, all right? Didn't you do that? You guys checked to see who was here. Now, Mary people did the same thing, I'm sure, at least on your social media. So you gotta consider. People are looking so far outward for their mate. When their mate is right there in their neighborhood, most likely right there in their circle, what Socrates said in terms of meeting people halfway and saying, look, my friend recommended you.  How likely are you gonna smash and dash her with your friend's reputation on the line? You're not. You're gonna do that to strangers.  So let's think about that a little bit. I wouldn't jump in really quick. We talk about social media, whether it's Tinder or Instagram. I know that's kind of a standardization, but I had an instance fairly recently, like within the last 30 days as a licensed architect. One of our clients is a higher education facility, folks. And I was part of a conversation on the side where the administrator was talking about the how they had a counselor's meeting. And the counselors were having commentary that they were under duress and they actually called the meeting off to that effect that the students, female students were turning to one particular department. 100% of them had no interest in pursuing the degree for monetary gains or professional development and were far more interested in the fact that they all had only fan sites. And so what we now have is not just a social media platform but a social sexualization media platform for profit and economic gain that a lot of these students are turning to. And it's one particular educational facility, the entire department class returning all the females were more interested in that platform than they were in the pursuit of that degree. Actually, to read it the other day, I want to mention this one. It did pretty good on Twitter and Instagram that women today in America, as they're influenced by feminism are more interested in starting an OnlyFans and starting a family. And that has occurred to me late recently one night. I was like, wow. Yeah, so I think the age of the three social media has already been eclipsed by new form of alternative digital. Can I add one more thing? Sorry. I want to add one more thing to that. The sexual marketplace value scale in which we know women's fertility is high, their level of attractiveness is high. The amount of men that they can command is high. Well, they're not adhering to that dynamic and trying to trade that value into it for a good spouse. They're using that advantage and trying to gain monetarily. And then when they approach that wall and that wall starting to close in on them and they do what I call a half court, Steph Curry, buzzer beater, or a Hail Mary at the end, they say, where have all the good men gone after they've been ran through more times than the Holland Tunnel? So the reality is the people that watch my show know what I'm talking about here. They hear this a lot. But the reality is if that's what you're gonna do, you're gonna wait until 32, okay? When your value has decreased significantly and you've monetarily gained on seeking arrangements and only fans and use that to your advantage and you probably ran out of your money by 32. Nobody's buying 32 year old women's only fans. Only monkey sims, right?  That's probably gonna be your best case scenario. Not at 32, 42, 52, 62. Well, there's women in this audience right now, live and who will be watching this video, Jennifer Moleski, watching this in the future who are of all ages. It's gonna be interesting. How does a woman find a husband? It's easy to find a man, but it's not easy to find a husband. What are your thoughts on the topic? Well, I am happy I'm not in the dating market. I'm sorry, because what a tough situation it is out there. But I'll tell everyone the same advice I give everyone. You know, there's singles meetups. I would not attend those. I really like the app meetup, but I know that the world ended a while ago, so it's a little bit different.  I always talk about this meetup that I started almost four years ago to talk about freedom and liberty and the people that I somehow brought in by the grace of God are the most outstanding intellectuals ever. And I will say, there's not as many women as men, but that's just the way it is, unless we were talking about sex. And then it was like a lot of women would come in to talk about sex. But if we're- More women would come in when the topic was sex? Yeah, dating and sex, that's when the women would come in. But as far as, man, and we would talk about the importance or the not good, whatever that word is, whatever not good is, of discrimination or the NAP, the non-aggression principle or just all of these really heavy, beautiful philosophical things to discuss and the women that came to those meetups, those were, in my estimation, high quality women because they weren't there just twirling their hair. They were like, let's think and talk and be civil. And it was just a different breed. They weren't Instagram girls coming. They were real meaty of the earth women. That's really my only advice. I'd have to think on it further. But I like the meetup to go for interesting things. Anthony Dream Johnson, how does a woman find a husband? What are your thoughts on that? That's a great question. I've been thinking about this as we went through the panel especially earlier. One thing that came to mind that I thought I would mention is that throughout the conference at 22 Con and even throughout the 21 conventions, we talk about feminism and feminist. But it's important to note that a lot of women today don't identify as feminist. But they still are. And I think that, and I've said before in my speeches that feminism in many ways has become the dominant religion of women in America and Canada and Britain and in the West. And that's a big part. So there'll be a lot of women watching her like, I'm not a feminist, but 80% of what they believe that is important to them, like deep, full amount of beliefs is dictated to them by feminism and has been and has been conditioned into them for decades. You have 21 years old since they were a kid or whatever age they are, right? They've been watching movies and TVs and TV for the whole life over it. So that's an important part of why if they're watching us and the dating life is not what they want at 21, 31, 41 or whatever, you may not identify as a feminist and maybe never have, but in many ways you probably are. Then I realize it. I think that's a big issue related to this. As far as what to do, like Jennifer said, she said she's glad she's not on the data market.  It's Mad Max out there.   They're feminine little weaklings and it's gross, I'm sure. From their perspective, it must be horrifying as well. Yeah, yeah. I have an idea. Sorry, no, you please. Go ahead. Well, what if the women, when I gave my speech, I was like, women go out and do something unique and authentic and shine and be the beacon in your community about to be feminine. But what if more women that were against feminism created little groups, meetups, I don't care how you do it, to talk about how feminism is bad? Then you have a group of women vetted who don't want to destroy the family, who think and know and can discuss why feminism is bad and then you can have men come in who also agree and then you have a group of people who actually want to think and focus on family. So that's only 10% of women, what about the other 90%? Well, you don't want to marry them. You don't want to marry them. I mean, this is about vetting, right? I'm trying to think here, this will be tied in, this is perfectly tied in with youth teachers for that era. So I brought up the feminism as the religion of modern women in many ways, right? Like a dogma that's very deep and widespread. I think this is important because, you know, this is throughout the West, you know, just America, but all Western women.  They're walking off a cliff, like a herd of sheep. Not all, not all, but most. It's a massive amount that really are in either directly, explicitly, or primarily their lives are dictated by feminism. Major life choices like dating and relationships and marriage and family and motherhood. So the number one thing you could probably do as a woman today, if you're young in America and you're not later in your life and you're early on, is do not do what other women are doing.  Run the other direction, walk the other direction, do the opposite or at minimum do something different. Fundamentally different, think different, Steve Jobs kind of stuff.  If you have to travel, go to another country like Poland, you'll find like real masculine men. Look around the United States and you go in the Midwest, you'll find more masculinity there, a lot less feminism, a lot more common sense, common sense masculinity and common sense femininity. I found this recently in South Dakota. I went to the Midwest my first time, kind of hunting, I want to go to Poland, but I can't because of COVID. So I went to South Dakota instead. And it was a step in the right direction and I liked it.  Maybe we will succeed and make them a great again and feminism will die. Great, it's not gonna happen tomorrow, it's gonna take time. In the meantime, your eggs are clock's ticking, your babies are waiting soon to be kicking. I think we should do part two and address it to women that are 40 and over because that's a huge demographic. And I would love this panel to be present for that and we do that on like a Zoom call or something like that. It's kind of part two. Every Saturday, we're having a group at 11. Yes, yes. All right, we're gonna end this right here, we're gonna take any questions that the ladies might have. Oh, we gotta wrap. Oh, we have to wrap. Yeah, we gotta wrap, yeah. Oh! We don't have time, we gotta wrap. We're already, we ended a while ago. Okay, there we go. Thank you, ladies. I hope you got something out of this. I hope we provided some sanity, clarity and reason to the topic and also a bunch of value for you, your friends, other ladies that you know. Thank you for being here. Welcome back to the 21 convention second patriarch edition live in Orlando, Florida. Welcome to the 22 convention. Welcome back to the 21 convention 2020 of Orlando, Florida being held for the first time ever at our very first and inaugural 21 summit event. Welcome to 21 summit in Orlando, Florida. Well, here we go. We've risked again with the 22 convention, the patriarch and 21 convention, all three stages together in one event. Not only did we sit down and say we're gonna come together and meet in mass, but we're gonna take it a step further. We are gonna dare have a conversation about the sexes openly, honestly, and engage the women that have been. Like I am amazed that I'll win this one. We did a brand new event, we did the second patriarch and we did the main event for the 19th time. It's so much more than sitting in an audience watching a man on a stage, the conversations in the hallways, the connections that people make, the challenging, the collaborations. And that's what we need. It all starts with men and it's not just men. That's what I like about this.  That's not it. This is about men getting their act together, doing what they're made to do.  You had to ensure people were where they needed to be. Three stages, cameras everywhere and it was pulled off with flawless execution. It's evolved so much. I really appreciate how Anthony has allowed you speakers to evolve and to grow and to share that and to encourage that with all the other men here, to hear so much talk on family and fatherhood. There's more depth, there's more room for who they could be. Is the word patriarchy or patriarch offensive to you in any way? Not to me personally. Okay. Not at all. It's something that I cherish it. I love it. I grew up. I cherish the patriarch. I do. In mansplaining news, a three day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again. Women need to be taught how to be great again. Oh yes, we do. It's like how to land a husband.  Why do men think they need to fix the problems of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women. Yeah, Orlando, Florida, that's gonna be the scene of the crime. It's mansplaining Palooza. You say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma. Patriarchy is the future. It's good to see it in person. I'm just, until I got here and saw it, and you can see the people in the audience, you see the men that are here committed to listening. I mean, it's just changed my idea of what the conference is. The professionalism, the staff, the way everything is organized. It's given me a different perspective about this particular idea, and I'm ready to put some more fire into it. Welcome to Dream World, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to 21 Convention, the Red Man Group for 2020 in Orlando, Florida. I will be your host for this episode, and today you have a distinguished panel of mostly alumni speakers. But we have two special guests here, and it is their first time speaking at this event, and I am very looking forward to hearing what they have to say and their inputs and advice that they can give and the insights thereof. Let's start with our introductions. Let's start on the far left. My main man, Steve, the Dean Williams, why don't you introduce yourself? Tell us where we can get contact to you and where your best material resides. With my best what? Intro. Oh, well, how y'all doing? Steve the Dean Williams, demandmindset.com.  We'll edit it. Steve, why don't you take up? I'm Steve Berlay. I run a channel called Studio Berlay where we publish the Femengo file and a whole lot of other content, including a series called The Red Zone. We deal, we started dealing primarily with academic feminism and how it's taken over the entire university system. And from there, how they've spread throughout society to take over pretty much all of the pillars of our society. I could go on, but that's- Oh, we will, we will. Pat. My name's Pat Steadman. I'm a dating and relationship coach for men. Pretty self-explanatory, help guys with their dating lives and relationships. You can follow me on Twitter, pat underscore Steadman or at patsteadman.com. I'm Socrates. You can find most of my personal work at maningupsmart.com. There I am a, I don't even say I'm a coach, really. I just help people navigate today's sexual marketplace. And in the course of my own personal development, as it's been exercised and developed through this venue with 21C and the Patriarch event, I look at being a father and being a very strong father advocate for both men and men who are looking forward to create a legacy and for that to be multi-generational. I'm Jay Vincent. I'm an exercise entrepreneur. I want a couple of personal training studios up in New York. And my mission is to change the way people exercise to more of a research-based, scientifically proven approach. And new to the 21 Convention, this is my first year. Jack, you're up. All right, my name's Jack Donovan. I'm the author of The Way of Men. I've been writing and speaking about men and masculinity and myth for over a decade now. You can find my work at jack-donovan.com and I'm on Instagram at starttheworld. Elliot Hulse, strong man, strength coach, father of four, father figure to millions of men worldwide, became YouTube famous, I guess you could say, answering young men's questions about growing stronger in their bodies, in their lives. And that brought me over two million subscribers.  Okay, I'm gonna actually pull a little bias since I'm the host. We're gonna start off with Jay and something you may not know about Jay is his personal background with 21 Convention. And I want him to elaborate a little bit about that so you hear that personally from him and kinda understand some of the importance of what his presence here really means. I'm particularly very moved by it and I think it is a tremendous testament to the work that Anthony has done and the opportunities he's provided. Many of the attendees and men who attend these functions and watch these videos. Sure, so it was about 2013. I began my whole exercise journey really on the path to become a professional fitness model which I ended up doing so successfully. But after getting into a prestigious modeling agency they told me I needed to put on more muscle. I had been training my whole life at this point and had no idea what to do. So I started diligently researching like most of us do on the proper way to exercise to put on this extra muscle that I needed to put on. Came across a video at this convention, the 21 Convention in 2009 by Dr. Doug McGuff. Watched that whole video start to finish, blew my mind and changed the way I exercised from there and out. And it changed the path of my life to becoming an exercise entrepreneur, a professional fitness model, and I just found it to be the most life changing video I've ever seen. So I've always had a huge amount of respect for this convention and what the speakers and the people and the information they provide changed my life and I believe it's gonna change the lives of many young men as well. So in fact, Jay was literally watching the videos online and now finds himself literally up on this stage repeating the process for others. So passing it forward. I find that remarkable. It is absolutely incredible and this is the impact that happens when men get together and develop a male culture and share that amongst each other. So I really applaud him and the efforts that he's done and be able to tell that story to you today. I hope it's influences you individually to do something similar, whether or not you end up here or anywhere else, but just know that you can make a tremendous change in your life for positive influence by following the men behind, around me quite honestly. Steve, let's move over to you. How has 2020 affected you? You are known as a machine for podcasting. It is stunning that when we were in Warsaw pulling together last year, we would go out, eat. We're up very, very early and at one, two in the morning you could flip on a YouTube channel and there were you on a live cast. Well, what I love about this atmosphere is men. You know, it's very rare that you get the opportunity to be around real men. We're so far in few and this gives me the opportunity and I'm sure that everybody the opportunity to see not only men but for you guys out there to see how men behave and see how men interact. So for me, this has always been great.  This is also giving me an opportunity to meet the panel of men, not guys, but the panel of men here and also meet you guys out there. And this is just where it gives you more inspiration is to keep going and keep pushing even though you're your own inspiration. But when you see that you're changing the lives it's just one small thing, one small detail that you can take from here and you leave with that and you evolve. That's what we all want you to do. And so it's just, it's like a kidney candy store. It's like Christmas all over. It's just a great feeling, man.  Can you talk about that? Loving savagery? Yeah, absolutely. I'm just born that way, it's in my DNA, man. Listen, I am the son of a savage.   And I didn't understand my father. I resented my father because I was told that everything that he was was toxic. And it took me a long time to realize that he's in me and I am a savage. They tried to give me pills when I was a kid, just calm me down, you know they said I had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. No, I'm just a savage. One of my talks was Return to the Father and I'm blessed to be able to give a talk like that because returning to the father to me is recognizing the savage that he is, the blessing to have an alpha male father leader in my home and then to know that that is me. He is me and I am him. And I can embrace that because it works. My father raised four of us. He's been married to my mother. There's been, you know, that's a rare thing in and of itself. They are still together. And I modeled my life after the example that he's made. He's 70 years old, he was on the stage here last year. He lifts. He is very assertive and aggressive with his tone and his opinion and it's what the world needs more of. And so I recognize that maybe I can bring a little bit of that savage daddy to the world that lacks fatherhood. Fantastic. We're gonna move from savagery to barbarianism. Jack, you're sitting right next to Elliot. Interestingly enough, you did not speak this year. I know you're developing a book, but twofold. I'll give you two questions. It's a one tour. The first one, let's talk a little bit about what drove you to come back even though you were not speaking? What was the value? What was the camaraderie? What were the things that brought you here personally? And the second is, can you tell us about the project that took precedence over you speaking? And we discussed earlier. I think you made a great decision on it. Glad you kind of do both and I'm really glad you can actually sit up here and talk to the guys. Yeah, well, I saw who was speaking this year and I hit up Anthony at some point maybe back in June. I was like, I can just come, right? Is that cool? And he's like, yeah, totally. And I've spoken here, I think four times. And a lot of these guys are my friends and they're guys who have influenced me. And this is a year when everybody's been kind of cooped up in different ways and it's great to get out and interact with peers. And so I wanted to come and do that. And it's interesting to see people give speeches who they say that I influenced them and I'm like, wow, you went good direction with that. I gotta think about that, that's good stuff. So we can all feed back into each other intellectually. And so I think that was really valuable for me and also it's just a good time. Yeah.  I'm in the process of moving. So I'm like, this is a little mid-vacation then I gotta go home and pack a truck and move to Utah. But as far as the new book, that's been my big project. You get an idea for a book and then it's just this big homework project that it takes forever. And at least for me, some people write them in like three days. I don't know how to do that. If I can figure out how to do that, I wanna sign up. But it takes a lot of work. I've had to do a lot of reading and it's ready when it's ready. And the project that I'm working on is basically my version of King Warrior Magician Lover. I mean, obviously it's not the same thing, but it's the same idea dealing with masculine archetypes and integrating ideas from really all the religions that are important, that have been important to men. I mean, there's always a figure of a skyfather in almost all these religions. And why do we need a skyfather? And it comes in as this patriarch concept. You know, men look up to a father when you're young.  But you can never be exactly him. There's a kind of a platonic form beyond him. This ideal of a father. And that's really what God's come from. You know, that's our idea of God is this father beyond the father. And so that's kind of the start of what I'm working on and that's kind of the father. And then we talk about a warrior figure that there's always a warrior figure. And he always usually has a thunder weapon and he always kills a giant snake. I might butcher the proto into European, but one of the oldest poetic phrases is he hogwing gwent, which means he killed the serpent. And it's like one of the oldest poetic phrases that they've reconstructed. And that's what men do.  And there was actually a book that a guy put out, I had it on my podcast. And he put out a book and he was a warrior and his book is called We Fight Monsters. And I'm like, yes, that's the thing. That's what's important. And so what we really think of as masculinity comes from that role. You know, I worried about it in the way of men. That's kind of that striker role, that warrior role. And then the third part, and Tanner brought it up in his speech. He's the only one who's read parts of my book. And that was kind of cool too, because he kind of rolled it out for me in his speech. And so he told me he was gonna do that. I'm like, well, I guess I have to show up and listen to your speech. But the third one is kind of the fertility figure, this perpetuating figure. Because there's so many things that we do in life that are really just to keep things going. You know, it's not all this glory.  You know, so much of it is just like, I have to go and call that person again because I have to build that relationship and maintain it and keep it going. And it reflects back to the idea of tending crops and so forth. You know, like this fertility, pastoral figure. And they've always had gods like that, which Pan and Frey and Dionysus and all these things. So I'm pulling all these concepts together in a way that I think is gonna be useful for men, because these are all parts of our lives. And so I'm pretty excited about the project. The book is actually called Fire in the Dark. Very cool. Looking forward to when it comes out. Now, to give you and my guys an idea of when Jack says hang out, he's done this more than once. It's, you start out early in the evening. You either find a modern equivalent of a fire camp or maybe it's over by the pool and you have a bottle of whiskey and a couple of guys and you start having conversations like this. Invariably, you'll go to bed and in the morning you'll be getting up, still kind of light out. And you'll end up coming across Jack and party, coming back in, slauntering, coming on and going.  And I just think there's just something way cool and masculine about just that. I think that Jack helps bring some of that vitality, masculine energy and just camaraderie at a scale that is utterly barbaric, but is critical to one of the reasons why I think guys come here. It's not really for the stage presentations or the talks. It's for the camaraderie in the hallways. It's in the sidebar conversations. It's being able to meet and talk to the speakers individually. So it's not one of these conventions in which people just show up and go home at the hotel at the end of the night or at the very end of the presentation set. So just keep that in mind. I know this is about third or fourth time. I'm kind of guilty of it myself, but it's an absolute horroric effort. So congratulations. Thanks. So Steve, I know this is your first time you've come to speak. That's right. Tell us a little bit about your expectations coming in, what you knew, what you didn't, how you felt, your experiences and then we'll pause and I'll follow up with another question after that and we'll talk about feminism and how it's polluting the university systems, but how it's probably gone well beyond that to the K through 12. And the risk involved with sending your children to quote Rome and then when they return have them not speak to your tribe and values and belief systems. So let's first hear about your experiences coming in and what that was like. Yeah, I wasn't sure I was going to be able to make it because I spend most of my time in Dominican Republic right now. And I was a bit nervous about international travel. They're changing the rules all the time. They're shutting down flights. They're opening up flights. They're requiring tests. So I wasn't really sure, but I got to know Anthony through, was after his, I think his presentation on Pierce Morgan show. Was that a year ago or two years ago? Actually, it seems like it was only in January. Was it that recently? Oh my God. It has been along 2020. But Janice Fiammengo did a file, we call them files, Fiammengo file, it's a video, dealing with how they tried to trap Anthony. That will make women great again thing. So we were doing a defense of that. And then we had Anthony on the channel to talk about it. And then I got a little rapport with Anthony. We did a thing about Black Lives Matter. And after that video, he was really pleased with that video, that interview with Black Lives Matter issue. He then asked me if I would present here. So that's how, that's all I know about make. So you segued in kind of nicely with at least the interviews and everything else. You had a personal review. But it's, I think it's also intimidating coming into an environment such as this, particularly when it's three conventions simultaneously. Yes, definitely. And what was your experience as a speaker, kind of moving through that environment? As a positive experience, I have to say, I am not a natural speaker. This is like, I'm a, I have stage fright all my life. When the first time I gave a lecture in public, I was in grade 10. And I stood in front of the class, like a deer in the headlights. I couldn't open my mouth, I couldn't move until a teacher had took pity on me and said I could sit down. The next time was my defense thesis for my chemistry degree. And I didn't sleep for three days. I thought I started having heart palpitations and I went to the hospital and they checked me out. I'm all okay. Then my thesis advisor gave me a, kind of coached me through it all and gave me some techniques to manage it. And I used his techniques for the following 10 years in my career in chemistry where I had to often give presentations to the authorities or the bosses in the business. So for me, public speaking is, and that's a pretty deep fear for me. So that fear to me is an indication that that's my direction of personal growth. And I've taken, your fear is kind of, especially your rational fears. I think that's, if you face them and wrestle with them, try to get it under control, that's a great source of personal growth. So I don't know if I'm getting to your question. Well, when we get there, actually I'm fascinated by this segue. So let's stay on, stay on this track of, you had fears and insecurities with public speaking, but yet your second time public speaking was in a very serious matter. You're defending your thesis. And you go from that to, there's gotta be an element where you were up here presenting now. Tell us about that transition because I think a lot of guys have similar type things. I know that I'm always kind of nervous going in, but if we face our fears, they can become strengths rather than weaknesses. So tell us about your personal journey from your doctoral or your thesis defense to today. Right. I practiced a lot. I had to practice because that was my job for 22 years in research and chemical industry. So there was no choice. I either dealt with this or didn't have a job, you know? So apart from that, I guess one of the decisions and it's part of the reason why I came to is I think a lot about if I accept an opportunity or reject an opportunity in life, my decision comes down to at the end of my life will I regret more rejecting that opportunity or will I regret more accepting that opportunity? And I think in my experience, anyways, most of the regrets that I have are opportunities that I didn't take. So that was probably the ultimate decision-making process for me to come here. That I don't, we're all gonna come to the end of our life. Right, we all have to go through that. But I think when that day comes in my own mind, in my own meditation, I hope it's peaceful. I hope to be able to say, you know, I'm ready to go. I did the best I could with the opportunities I had. And so I want to be at peace with that. And so I try to make my decisions with that endpoint in mind. That's fantastic. Let's, if you don't mind, let's segue to your work with feminism, the universities and how pervasive feminism is seeping through culture, all the institutions that we have and how it's affecting masculinity. Yeah, that is an enormous topic. And I think that's the defining topic of our generation, of our age, of this epoch. Because feminism is global. I mean, and it hasn't left any element of culture untouched. There's basically, Thomas Berry is a thinker. He was a, rather a passionate priest. And I met him some years ago and went to one of his talks at the University of Waterloo. And he identified four pillars of culture. The education system, the legal system, industry, and the religious systems. There are four pillars that support a civilization. And feminism went in the 1970s into the university systems. And over the next about 20, 30 years, they completely took over the education system in the universities. And there, the university system feeds everything else in our culture, right? We accept university graduates as experts. And we shouldn't today. The universities are absolutely the worst place to do research because you can't. The minute you try to do honest research, especially social research, sociology, psychology, it's if you step even a millimeter outside of the narrative, the accepted narrative, you're gonna lose your job or you'd be severely punished or your career will be destroyed. So the good work today is going on outside of the university system. The people here, the people who are getting involved on their own time, their own dime, these are the people who feel really passionately strongly. The university systems, their politics, their politicians, they're following a narrative. They're not doing anything new. They're turning the crank. They're repeating feminist doctrine. They're refining feminist doctrine to make it more powerful, to make it more damaging in culture. No, so I'm going on and on here. No, no, no, it's fantastic. You're doing a great job. They're in politics. We have a feminist prime minister in Canada. They're in the legal system. We have legal schools teaching feminist jurisprudence today in a lot of legal schools, if not all of them. They're taking over the religions. Even the Pope is becoming feminist oriented. They're taking over industry with 1984. There was, and it's an auspicious year, but in 1984 they came out with the affirmative action which was to preferentially hire and promote women. So this is all the four pillars of society and this started back in 1970 for the entry into the university system. Now I was in research at Dow Chemical in 1984 and just starting my career, two years in. And I'm a young guy, thinking I've been at the top of my class. I should be having a good career here, right? I'm pretty confident. They had a meeting at every research department. The vice president of Dow Chemical World came and this happened in every industry, in every group and starting in 1984. And they gathered us together and they informed us that they were gonna start preferentially hiring and promoting women, primarily women. I don't even think they mentioned minorities at that time. It was mostly a focus on women. And all the guys, especially young guys like me were sitting there thinking, gee, I thought I had a career. But the reality is you only have a career if there's no women applying for that job. You only have a promotion. That was the essence of the message. I thought it would go away. You know, I thought this is another corporate program. They'll stick with it for six months to 12 months and then they'll drop it. But it has gotten stronger and stronger and stronger and now it's incredible. It's just a religion that has gripped the world. Now here's a clincher on that. The Vice President of Dow Chemical in that time was a woman in her fifties who got to vice-presidentship was not an easy thing to do in a company like that, a company of, I don't know what it is, 50 or 100,000 employees. A very tough thing to do. And she did it without any help of affirmative action. There was no need for affirmative action. There's never been a need for affirmative action. That was the start where we shifted away from performance and merit to identity in industry, in industry, and it's in education, it's in politics. Our Prime Minister in Canada selected his cabinet based on gender, not on qualifications for the job. Our Health Minister is a ex-graphic designer. No, sorry, no, she's an ex-journalist. Zero experience in health, okay? Our, what's the other one that we have there? There's another minister in a very prominent position. She's Deputy Prime Minister. One of them is the Health Minister and the other one's the Deputy Prime Minister. But they're both women. The other one's a graphic designer. Neither one of them have any experience, a finance minister. Our finance minister is the ex-journalist. Zero understanding, zero training in finances, running the finances of a major country because she's a woman and she's feminist. That's remarkable. I could go on, but I'm gonna pass the baton here. And honestly, I'm saving Pat almost for last. We're gonna move from an incendiary topic to a particular, even more incendiary. We talk about feminism and as a religion taken over the world. How about, how has the dating environment been affected and associated with the current events? And I want you to understand that the man sitting to my right has recently, through a Google search of my understanding, now owns the word hypergamy that he has had more citations for that. World's foremost expert on hypergamy. Thank you. So it's a new title holder. I think publication's coming up more recently. And I'd like to talk to just a little bit about your background in dating, hypergamy, relationships and feminism and your viewpoint on that subject matter. Yeah, I'll just give a real quick bio. Got involved in the pickup space back in 2008 and spent about seven years or so marinating through the various iterations of that as it evolved. Became a dating coach myself in 2015. Got married that same year. I worked with guys in their dating lives and relationships. So wear a lot of hats. I do a lot of tactical stuff. But I also do a lot of depth work. And of course, as Socrates, you've been saying, it's really difficult to separate this, increasingly difficult to separate what goes on in the sexual marketplace, so to speak, with these political movements. I think that the only thing you can, like we should just call feminism exactly what it is.  It's part of a cultural revolution that's been going on in this country for a long time. And I do think that I try to be nuanced on these issues and I understand certain parts of it in terms of maybe the evolution of women and some of their consciousness being raised, perhaps developing some individual agency. I talked about this at 22 convention. But I mean, that's not what it actually is now. And I think that we have to start to be very clear about the brand name of feminism and the fact that it is an incredibly unequal movement. And its basic purpose is the destruction of the family and the destruction of society. Fair enough. You're also an expecting father. Yes.  You get it. Yeah, my wife's on our third trimester right now. And we're looking forward to it. Looking forward to a beautiful girl. And this is from a man who's coming from a pickup background. I mean, he and I are both living in the same glass house in that regard. Now, I understand now, do you know the sex of the child? Yes, it's going to be a girl. She'll be born around Christmas. Isn't that fantastic? Now, interestingly enough, there was some rumor I'm being told that you had a gender reveal party last night, something with a Dodge Charger. I'm going to get roasted here. And a bottle of vodka or tequila and a champagne in the back of a trunk of a Dodge Charger going down I Drive. I think there are photos. And I hate to say it, but I may have borne witness to that actual event. It did occur. So Elliot, on the far end of the spectrum, I know we talked about your passionate living, how you live life, how you love. But you gave a really interesting 21 convention talk regarding Marxism and socialism and the involvement of communism and how it's affected men, masculinity, and how it's impacting our lives. Can you touch a little bit more on that? Yeah, so I started my talk with the facts about how men are doing today. We're not doing really well at all. There's all this talk about helping women. But the fact is that women are beating us in every regard. They're making more money than us, regardless of what they say. They're taking their lives. They don't kill themselves like we do. Our suicide rate is off the roof. We're using a lot of drugs. We're in prison. Fatherlessness. And so knowing that men are weak or suffering, we got to look at, well, why? What's going on? And so I gave various different reasons, one of which ties in very closely to what we're talking about right now, which is a great brainwashing that has happened across the West. And I referenced Uri Benz Minov, who was a KGB defector, who defected and came to reveal what the ultimate plan was, and to get into the universities, to get into the government, to get into the media, and to completely demoralize the culture. Now, I had to dig a little bit deeper. That kind of interests me into who would do this and why. And so I pointed out that this calculated destruction of the culture comes from hell, it comes from Satan, but ultimately on earth through his minions in this movement out of Russia. And the idea that Marxism could take hold through political means or bombs and bullets just didn't prove to work. Economically, it just didn't prove to work. The people were not uniting and overthrowing the people in high places. So two guys, Antonio Gramsci and Lucas, George Lucas. I mean, I'm just learning all this stuff. So they, at the same time, discovered that in order for Marxism, i.e., the communism to take fold, they would need to get into the hearts and minds of the people, demoralize them, destroy them. And so my presentation and my research dovetailed perfectly into what Steve was talking about. And he took it and ran and showed how a new world order is ultimately the goal of this, well, destroy the West through Marxism, which feminism is a daughter of communism, you could so to say, ultimately in order to create what he just calls a feminist world order. And you could totally see it. And it's very fascinating. So I did a little research before I came into my talk in order to just find out why men are weak. And you could see that the men's reaction to this, particularly as Pat Steadman is talking about in terms of dating and intersexual dynamics, has created this phenomenon of the nice guy. And so men are doing what they think they're supposed to do because the school teachers have told them, the media has shown them, that it's better for them to be weak. It's better for them to be pushovers. And it's not working because we're offering ourselves and we're in prison. One last point that I want to make that was really what broke my heart was to discover that feminism, which sound to most people in our world like some sort of a good thing, a progressive thing, ultimately is the agenda is to break down the family, destroy the family. It's the stated purpose of feminism.  I couldn't agree more. Now, moving to a slightly different gear. I'm going to DJ where I'm going to come to you. We talk about weak men. And you have a physical training background. And what I'd like to talk about is a little bit about the video that you saw with Doug McGuff and the training protocol. I know about the Big 10 and the HIT protocol. But can you talk to the guys about putting on mass and strength and what a HIT protocol looks like and why it's effective associated with recovery training and the neurological responses to muscular growth? Yeah, I mean, just like a lot of other topics, I mean, a lot of topics in industries have been pretty much hacked. And for the most part, when it comes to exercise, people have been just outright lied to. And it's not really their fault. It's just kind of like how the information age works. There's a lot of information out there that waters have been muddied. And the fact of the matter is, most people are approaching exercise wrong. The fact of the matter is it takes very little exercise, very little time involvement to pretty much manifest the ultimate physique your genetics are going to allow. And I discovered the actual physiology behind exercise through this convention through a video from Dr. McGuff have been since applying the principles to myself. And like I said, it helped me become a published model, helped me put on loads of muscle mass. And my mission is to teach as many people as I can that they can do this as well. And they can exercise, and you should exercise. If you want to be a fulfilled, accomplished man, you want to be healthy, you want to be strong, you want to look good, that's not toxic. There's nothing wrong with wanting to look good and muscular. And a lot of men just either they're afraid or they feel they don't have the time or they don't know what to do. And that's what I'm here for. I'm here to show you what to do. And that video helped change my life and helped me understand the proper principles behind physical training and strength training and putting on muscle mass. And that's what I do for a living now. I own a couple of personal training studios and I do this for not only men, I do it for women.  And I think women should also be working on themselves physically as well. And one of the biggest issues is people think time is getting in the way, they don't have enough time. But the research shows clearly that very little time investment could work wonders for you physically and also mentally too. As Elliot talked about, a lot of men are depressed and they're killing themselves. And there's no denying that psychologically exercise has a huge benefit psychologically. You feel great not only when you improve yourself physically but there's neurotransmitter responses and up regulations and things like oxytocin and serotonin that are gonna make you feel better over time naturally. We got a lot of men who feel bad about themselves. They're going to the doctor, they're getting put on an antidepressant. You know, a lot of it could have to do with hormone levels. I mean, men have been robbed of testosterone lately, mainly due to kind of the food, the reading, maybe their environment and lack of exercise stress. You know, we can turn these things around, we can make men stronger both physically and mentally and emotionally by implementing exercise and finding a time efficient, safe way to do it. So that's what I'm here for and that's my mission in a nutshell. You spoke earlier how you were already a male model, physical model and that you needed to put on more muscle to attain the professional viability that you desired. What was the transition like? Not so much the physical training but the mental aspect of what the difference between your former physical self to the level that you attain. What was the difference between the two of you personally? The difference was, you know, I was in order to be marketable, I had it to be bigger, be bigger and more muscular. I mean, that's what sells, that's what's desirable, that's what's rare, that's what men want, that's what men are after, despite what toxic masculinity will tell you, you know, men do wanna be big, men do wanna be strong and that's what I was after, building a bigger, more powerful, more dominant, broad physique. And how did that impact your life outside of the profession? Tremendously. Personally, I mean, whether right or wrong, I'm more respected. You know, I hear that, you know, a lot of people I talk to, people in public will say rude things to them, they will treat them differently. Nobody ever says rude things to me, nobody treats me poorly. And whether right or wrong, that's the fact of the matter, a bigger, more powerful, stronger, healthy physique, you're gonna find things come to you easier in life. You're gonna find that people treat you differently, that people respect you more, that's another reason why everybody should be exercising, they should be trying to get as big and strong and fit as healthy as they can because not only is your life gonna be better between interactions with people, you're gonna have a longer, more fulfilling life with more energy, so it impacted my life in a tremendous way, not only being in magazines and being the whole published model thing, but just the way I interacted with people changed tremendously and it made my life better. Fantastic. We've gone from Elliot talking about the men being weak, ideologically, we've talked about you with men being weak physically. I'd like to move this over to Steve in a second and talk about how men are weak genetically. We talk not so much a pure genetic element, but that we're weak in our understanding of our manifestation of our particular genetic lineage and we may call that family. And you have a terribly rich history that you are indoctrinating your family with and have, I know, been taught that and you've shared that repeatedly and I think it's absolutely commendable and I would love for these gentlemen to hear that. I always like to tell everyone that listens to me, no matter how we got here, some of us came above the boat, some of us came below the boat, no matter how we got here, our ancestors, regardless of what happened, they always knew the name, their name and they kept it and they defended it and they would die for it and they created sons who created other sons who created other sons who created your grandfather or your great grandfather who created your father and who created you. And it seems like we're at this war now where people don't want you to know your name.  And see, I pride myself on who I am because I'm a Williams. It's like, these gentlemen, they are prideful in their names because they respect the father and we have gone away from that. That's part of the problem that we're dealing right now just because fought dad's not there, doesn't mean you can't learn about dad or go find dad and find the other half of the truth sometimes because sometimes we get only one side of the story from mom, if that, or grandma or some type of female telling you that dad, you know, he just didn't care, he didn't love you.  But when it comes to your name and the importance of your name, gentlemen, I always want you to realize that at the end of the day, you gotta learn who you are. I'm all about legacy and bloodline. I want to create something. Well, I have created some things, several things to carry my name on when I die. That was my goal to find a wife because at that point I knew that I wanted to have sons, I wanted daughters, I wanted grandkids, I wanted great grandkids, if I'm lucky, great, great, but I know my name and I think even these gentlemen here even though they don't talk about your name, they're giving you components that attach to your name. They give you a sense of individuality that each and every one of you are authentic. We are not the same. You can look at your fingerprint and tell that. Your name should be something that you carry on and defend and fight for. You just don't give it away to a woman.  You don't give your time away to a woman.  Why? Because at the end of the day, that's all you have. You know, yes, work out and do all those wonderful things but take away the weights, take away the clothes, take away the cars, take away the money, take away the fame. All you have at the end of the day is your motherfucking name and if you don't stand by that, you're nothing in this world because that's the thing that should push you to evolve every day. And that's the thing you should appreciate about your family and your lineage that you know what? There was someone somewhere way back then loved themselves enough to create their sons and then the thing continued and steamrolled and now you're here. And I just want to say this, the only problem I have today is that we have evil people out there telling you it's wrong to have kids. It's wrong to grow. It's wrong to get married.  I don't know what. But what they're saying is that your name is not good enough. And once you learn the importance of your name, you will be guided in a way that you've never been guided before and that's just, that's my beacon.  You see that hand? That's how I eat a hamburger. That's how Williams does it, son. You open that door, that's how Williams does it, son.  Absolutely. But it was a Williams.  And gentlemen, I know he doesn't necessarily show photos of his family, but I'm telling you the proof is in the pudding. When you see photos of his children and family, they glow.  It's just absolutely radiant. So congratulations. And I've always held that in sincere regard. So, Jack, we're gonna slide over to you again. Without going religious, I wanna think of masculine spirituality, but not from a religious standpoint, much more of a primal element in the mysticism. And where do you see today is man non-religious spirituality being? That core richness of a human connection with nature, their own manifestation of masculinity, sexuality, expression of creativity. And you do a really good personal job of manifesting both the brutal masculine aspects of the physical form. But the craziest thing is the degree of art and poetry that you have and have expressed. That's not necessarily so obvious. Can you talk a little bit about that to the gentleman today? About the art of poetry or?  I mean, it's one of the things I think it gets, when we talk about religion or spirituality, it tends to always be religious base. And I think you would be a prime example, but not necessarily a religious individual, but a spiritual individual, but in a unique vein, and particularly with your association with masculinity and mythology. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's all the same. I started writing The Way of Men and it was basically a lot of things off of evolutionary psychology. I'm not pulling from a Bible or whatever. I'm pulling from evolutionary psychology and what have men always needed? And what have they always cared about? And what have they always done? And one of the reasons why my new book is called Fire in the Dark is when I talked about it in The Way of Men, I talked about the perimeter. And that's where we get masculinity from because it's always been our job to protect the perimeter. And our first, the thing that makes us different, the way we've evolved. We evolved our fists probably to hate each other in a certain way. And we evolved some skills that are different from women to be stronger and so forth so that we could do this job of hunting and fighting. And my idea and why the book is called Fire in the Dark is that we, if you take a campfire, and you say you have, this is the myth that I'm writing, is you have men that they left wherever they came from and they can't go back for whatever reason. We don't know why and it doesn't matter. But they're just wandering out into the world. So they have no point of reference. There is no, we're going home because there is no home. When you create a fire, somewhere like, well, this is where we're gonna stay for the night because the sun's going down. And you kind of recreate the sun by creating a fire. And I think that's the symbol of creation and the father and culture and that's what you're trying to keep alive. And so you create something and then you need to protect it. And that's what the warrior does. He protects everything that's important, everything that's around the fire.  And then if you're gonna keep that camp alive, you have to perpetuate it. So I'm pulling all these myths actually from what I think is the most primal form.  That's you started the world right there. That's your little world that you've created. And so I think men have always cared about these three functions because it's fundamental to our job. We've always done, so I think it is primal and it's not stuck in any one religion or whatever. And that is our spirituality because it comes from our function and it comes from our biology. And so that's the way I look at that. And then we talk about the adding myth and adding art and so forth. One thing that Tanner and I really agree on and we nerd out about it. I'm like, when I gave him the chapter of this book, I'm like, you're gonna like this part because men today actually think that they hate art. Most men, if you ask them, they're like, oh, I don't like art. Like art is for girls or like, you know, poetry is for girls or like they don't connect with it. And the reason why they don't connect with it is because art doesn't like them. And I think you have this art, if you think about ancient art, all the examples that we have of great cultures and everything are statues of heroes and statues of greatness. And these are the things that our culture cared about and men were invested in it. They were creating the art and they were the ones who made it. And they were the, you know, the poetry, all the best old stories are in poetry, like Homer and so forth. I mean, it's tales of men doing epic things. Men created all of this. And there became a space like kind of like romanticism where it became very individualistic and kind of this breakaway from authority. And then it was informed by Marxism, I think. And so all the men who were against their father and they had a daddy issues, kind of like, I hate these rules and everything. We're gonna tear down society, started to become artists. And so the culture of the art world becomes very much about deconstruction. Rather than construction, it becomes about deconstruction and tearing things apart and making things that are ugly and just pushing boundaries and challenging narratives and changing the world and taking all that hierarchy away. And that's why men don't respond to it because people are creating art that's against strength and courage and mastery and honor. They're not celebrating things that are important to us. And so when men go to a museum, they're like, that's not for me. Or they re-poetry and it's about someone's feelings and they're saying how weak they feel and all this and then that's not for me. I don't care about that. But I think it's really important. I think when the artist is working with other men instead of against him, they create a culture that raises men up. And so I think that's really, really important. And I'm passionate about that. And actually, let's look at what we do that celebrates manhood and works with all the other, works with the men who are warriors and works with the men who are leaders and what makes us passionate about that and care about it again because that's what really inspires men. We look at movies. I know Steve likes Thor, right? And those are our myths today. You're like, men connect with those and as little boys in there, it's in our hearts and that's what we wanna do is become that guy and if you go and try and lift a PR or whatever, I listen to the Thor Thound Truck when I do that. You plug into that thing because you wanna be that magical guy and that's so important to us. And I think if we don't find a way to connect that to the kind of things that we're doing, that's how you create longevity and create a new culture that is exciting for men. Super. And Socrates, just wanna say real quick. Yeah, yeah, no, that's why we're here. Poetry. See, people don't understand that they could play, I love poetry. I tell people, I love poetry. But what people don't know is that you sing poetry every day when you turn your radio on. Everything you hear in music is poetry. So he's absolutely right. Poetry's everywhere. It's not just writing roses or red violets or blue. That's what I say, but you're made percent right. Cool. We have about 11 minutes left. Steve, I'm gonna turn this one to you because I just wanna hear a little bit more. I know we talked about the pervasive nature of feminism in higher education, academic research, corporation. Personally, I spoke at Patriarch about the concerns about the cultivation of our children going to educational centers, particularly government-run schools and so forth. And it's not necessarily uncommon for today to find those school systems to be devoid of national pride. So for example, the national symbol of a flag being removed from the classroom. But other systems being brought in and replaced in it. So it's not uncommon to find elements of critical race theory being injected or promoted. Black lives matter, the degree of feminism, those sort of things are openly displayed. And I'm concerned about the social construct here is that we turn our children's over with the understanding that we will have specialists come in to teach our children, to help cultivate our children that should reflect our community, our community values, and are essentially of our tribe, of our group. But there's been a broach of that in the last 20 years in which we're sending our children to education systems that no longer have specialists that have our interests at stake. They don't reflect our values. And in turn, we are turning our children over to be raised and developed by others that don't have our interests and families' interests at stake. Can you talk a little bit about that? I'll try. One thing that came to mind as you were talking there, there was a, through this pandemic, they've been prohibiting kids from going to school, I think in most jurisdictions. And they've been creating these online classrooms. And some, maybe you guys have heard about this, but somebody found a private tweets or private communications from teachers saying they were concerned that the parents were monitoring their children. And they were saying this is a bad thing, we have to prevent parents from monitoring their children while they're at the online classroom. Because they didn't want the parents to know what they were teaching the kids. They didn't even want them to know. They're right there is their admission that they don't have your kids' interests at heart. They openly admit it when they say, parents monitoring what we teach your kids is a problem. They wanna get these ideas into the kids without your parents knowing about it. And that to me speaks volumes. And you mentioned the Black Lives Matter getting into the school system. Yeah, they're teaching all kinds of these things as if it's truthfulness. And Black Lives Matter, I did a video on this and Anthony, I think Anthony was, sorry? Anthony, why you love it? No, the video I did, and I think Anthony and I talked about this on a live stream once. So the video I did was Get to Know Black Lives Matter.  It's a feminist group through and through and they purge this stuff off their website in the last few weeks, I think, their feminist content. So that is, and they've, in spite of that, in spite of that, in spite of their lies, they got that authorized to be taught in the education system. If the grade schools, they have a curriculum and the schools, as far as I know, they're adopting this. And that's just one of it, the 1619 project. It's lies. And the lies are being taught in schools. Feminism, I highly encourage you to take a look at my video, The Birth of Feminism, and I start in Roman times, and we go up to 1848. The primary claim of feminism at the Declaration of Sentiments in the Seneca Falls Convention of 1848, their primary purpose there was to establish permanently the idea that women were oppressed on all sides by men throughout history. They were not even concerned about the vote. Most people are under this impression that big feminist movement started up because women didn't have the vote and men had the vote. Men didn't have the vote either. Men, generally in the world, got the vote maybe a decade or less before women did, and only because they died by the millions in the wars. And the governments that had that of the time felt that they could not justify not giving men the vote who had gone off and died to protect the very country they couldn't have a say in. Women got the vote for free. And today in the US, you guys probably know this, men still do not have universal suffrage, the universal franchise. You have to sign up for selective service to be allowed to vote. Women do not. Only women in the US have the universal right to vote. Okay, men do not. But up to 1848, the only reason the right to vote was put in there is because a guy named Frederick Douglas objected as a black man. And get this, okay. I hope I'm not taking up too much time here because they get me in a passion here. 1840, there was an abolition convention. And Elizabeth Stanton, newly married, went to that convention but was not allowed to sit in the prestige seating.  She was not allowed to sit in a, the prestige seating at an abolition conference that she had a passion about abolitionists, okay. That was why she created the 1848 convention, not because she wanted the vote.  So she created her own conference where she'd be front and center. Okay. And get this. It gets worse. The whole movement, people with suffrage in women's rights and black rights, they were all part of the same group. They communicated with each other. So it was a black man who got the right to vote put in the declaration of sentiments as a concern. The white women were not concerned with the right to vote. And the reason is women have always influenced government through their brothers and fathers. It's called the Petticoat Parliament. You're probably familiar with the term. So women always felt that they didn't need the vote because they ran the men, okay. Imagine a guy. He's a lead politician. He may be present. He goes into Parliament or he goes into the White House. He does something in law, in public, that his wife doesn't like. Now he goes home. And every day he goes into bed and his wife pesters him. He didn't like what he did. What is he going to do in office?  No, and all his wife's friends and all their social gatherings and all the women beating him up and harassing his friends? No, that's the Petticoat Parliament. Women were not concerned about the right to vote because they already influenced government before they had the right to vote. But they refused. I'm gonna stop there because there's a lot more to this.  I was gonna have to stop here because we're literally about three minutes. Let's go around the corner on the panel with you guys. Last 30 seconds, what would you leave the audience with and what will continue in order along the panel? That we're having all these conversations about feminism. It really has been a big part of the conversation this week. And I don't want anybody to take our position, our stance, or even just the information that's exposing what's going on as a complaint. This is not, we're not coming from a position of weakness here. It's a position of, we need to see. This needs to be exposed. We need to see it for what it really is because there is a tendency for people who are not schooled or aware of the things that we're talking about to say, well, what's the big deal? Why are you whining? Why don't you just do something about it in your life? Well, the whole idea is that we've been brainwashed. We're dead asleep. Our eyes are closed. People just don't know. And so this is a position of strength. This is a position of wake up. This is the position of we've got to do something about this, otherwise we're all going to suffer. Feminism is not good for women at all. It's about hatred towards the family. And women suffer when their children suffer because the family is a sacred unit. And so ultimately, this is for everyone to have a better future and for our families to have a better future. Jack, you're up. Yeah, I'll just bank off of that and say one of the things that I've noticed is that feminism always talks about adding value to them. And men used to look at a woman and say, I want a wife who's going to help me make a family. And the funny thing is that women have devalued themselves, and now they're just sex objects.  So that's something that you rarely hear is that you've made yourself objectified because you had a role before. But like Elliott said, this is about making men better. It's just important to understand the problems that come with feminism because they're all woven into the culture. And so the real focus, so think of this conference, it always has been to make men stronger, to make them better at everything aspect of life.  You know, obviously, as Elliott said, and many other of these people on this panel have said, is men are weak now. We need men to become stronger, both physically, emotionally, psychologically, and of course, physically. So in my area of expertise, I'm going to recommend don't ignore your body.  So keep that in mind. Take your health. Take your strength seriously, because it's going to all come together when you need it. So that's what I'd like to add to it. My 21 convention speech this year was on how to heal yourself as a man. And I think that, especially everything being shut down, we've had a very, very unique and important period for guys to do the inner work. And this is important stuff for your dating and relationships. It's important for your own life. But to bring it into the context of this conversation, it's important because once you have this psychological self-awareness, once you sort of heal your trauma, you become immune to psychological operations like feminism. And the problem with a lot of women today and men, of course, too, is that they've been broken down over and over again by demoralization campaigns. And they've been highly traumatized. And so then they run these psychological operations, which feed on that.  They have shame around what they want. I have tons of guys, they're dating a girl, everything's fine. And then she'll start to bring up Trump and politics and just have a meltdown. And the point here is that the deep work is important, because if we're going to be warriors in this, and we have a world to fight for, and then we have a world to rebuild, you guys got to get your internal shit figured out. And this is the best time to do it. Steve, you got 30 seconds. 30 seconds, oh my God. I'm going to add one point to my last point, because I feel it's important. Feminists stole the oppression narrative from slavery, from the abolitionists of 1840. They had a legitimate, say it one more time. Feminists stole the oppression narrative. They literally did. Women have never been oppressed through old history. They were protected and provided for. The entire feminist narrative is a lie. The 1840 conference on abolition is significant, because that's where they got the idea, that Elizabeth Stanton got the idea to define women as oppressed on all sides through all history by men. It's a lie. They stole that legitimate idea, the real oppression that occurred in much of the world was the institution of slavery. And in the US that was, of course, against black people. So I'm going to leave it at that. That's the last idea for today. Yeah, and just strong on that one, dropped a bomb. Now another bomb dropper is just on your right. My good friend, Steve Williams, I will give you a full 30 seconds as well. I'll just give me 29. I'm gonna give you 28. I need 29. Gentlemen, I want you to see this panel of men, okay? Look at this panel of men up here. Understand this, we are not gonna be here forever, this whole panel of men. And what the 21st Summit is all about is passing the baton to you, preparing you men out there, not only to navigate your lives as men, but the next door over there, the Patriarch, learning how to become men.  So we're holding you guys accountable. Take the baton, run with it. So when you're up on this stage and you're talking to whoever's out there, then you can pass the baton. And I guess in the summit of what the Red Men Group Summit, what, 48, 55, somewhere around there? Yeah, it's just going on forever.  He's gonna outlast us all. So that was like 28 minutes, seconds. 28, all right. With that, we're gonna wrap it up. Thank you very much for joining this Red Men Group Panel. I'm Socrates, coming live from the 21 Summit, 2020 Orlando, Florida. Thank you for joining. He represents his patriarchy. We're here to do work as men, as patriarchs. There's nothing more natural than being a father. Welcome back to the 21 convention, 2020 here in Orlando, Florida, Patriarchs Edition Red Men Group. We have 65 minutes where we're gonna cover fathering during fallout. How to lead your family with all the chaos that's going on in the world. So this is the Patriarchs Edition of the Red Men Group. We just wrapped up a great weekend of parenting, of fatherhood, of becoming a better father, of what to expect when you become a father. On this panel, to my far right, your left, I have Ivan Throne, Big Tex, Phil Foster, and to my left, Tanner Guzzi, Michael Foster, and the George Bruno. With that, we're gonna dive into how the convention went for the speakers. And then for the last 15 minutes, we're gonna have a Q&A from those in attendance. So first, Ivan, how was the convention for you? Well, I think the 21-con Patriarch Conference has been, it's a fundamentally different thing now, because it's not theory being done second year. Man are actually making the changes now. We're seeing the results out there with people. Guys are coming back, they have more children. Families are happier, families are stronger. The men are more confident, more responsible. The leadership is changing the times, and we have the privilege and the honor of being a part of what drives that with practical, real-world action on changing men. It's not an idea. Reality, and as men, our job is to make reality. And it's beautiful to see it finally being done again, especially as the world burns and it's needed. That's what I like. People all agree with that. Tex, how was it for you? It was fantastic. I cannot think of a better time for us to have gotten together for this. With everything as Ivan just alluded to, with the world burning right now, and by gosh, it really is burning right now. There's never been a better time for fathers to get together and reinforce their resolve and reinforce their commitment to their families and pick up the life skills that you need to make that happen. And what we saw again was a group of men coming together like we did last year, roughly 18 months ago. We were able to get back through it again, get through COVID, get back out here and come together and learn from each other. And even as the old guy in the group, I'm learning from these younger guys as well. I'm picking up tips on how I can help my grandsons do better in life.  So there's generational knowledge going up and down the spectrum here. So I hope we continue to do these as the years go on. I think it's a very valuable resource. And this year was even better than last year and last year was superb. But we keep raising the bar. Absolutely. Before I toss it to Phil, I'd like to make a first-time announcement, a special announcement. During the first 21 convention patriarch's edition, I had the privilege and the honor of being the chief patriarch. And who could go after that and bring it up and do justice to it? Nobody but Tanner himself. And he went up there and he set that bar. He set a high mark. And then Tanner said, well, we've got to choose the next guy. And he did. And he came over and asked, he said, hey, what do you think? I said, oh, I absolutely agree. So it doesn't make any more sense then to talk about raising the bar than to give it to the man who's known for raising the bar, the barbell man himself. Phil Foster is next year's chief patriarch. Right. Thank you, gentlemen.  Then you went to 22Con. And now you're back on the stage. Yeah, it's been an interesting ride for me this go around. I attended the patriarch's convention last year and 21Con the year prior to that. And what I've taken away from this conference is it's great to see the amount of true heart and soul that a lot of the gentlemen that put their butts in the seat, so to speak, in front of the camera and bear their soul to help gentlemen continue to grow on their past to being better fathers, men and husbands. It's amazing to see the gentlemen get together after the speakers, with the speakers and with themselves and exchange ideas and improve themselves year after year. So this is, like I said, my second patriarch's to attend, first time to speak at one. And it has been an amazing experience to be a part of it all. That's great. It's an excellent selection and there's nobody better I could think to take that torch and carry it. Thank you, sir. All right, the chief patriarch himself, this is your ship to navigate and from what I've seen, you did a damn good job. So Tanner, how was the convention for you this time as leading the way? Man, best one it ever was, best one it ever will be. No, I was kidding. I absolutely loved it. There was a, man, the level of hope and energy and intentionality and earnestness that I saw in the men who