Stanley Clements Mutual Broadcasting System in cooperation with Family Theater Incorporated presents for the love of Angel starring Stanley Clements and Jack Bailey. Brief portions are transcribed. Jack Haley is your host. This is Jack Haley, neighbors. Did you ever happen to be jingling some coins in your hand and get to examining the dimes and quarters and pennies? You see on every coin these words, in God we trust. Of course it's something that everybody knows about, but it makes me realize that every time we exchange a coin we're offering a silent act of faith in God. It makes me realize that in all our coinage there's inscribed the same conviction that we in Hollywood want to express through Family Theater. It's a conviction so many of us share, an understanding that the simple direct appeal of prayer to God can bring hope and happiness and God's wonderful help to us and to our families. And we need trust in God and have faith in one another if we ought to have a peaceful world, a prosperous nation and happy homes. You know a world of happy homes would go a long way to a peaceful world and here's a thought for a happy home. Pray together as a family. Yes, pray together tonight after your evening meal and every night because family prayer will keep your family together and happy. And you'll find this true for every country and home. A family that prays together stays together. Jack Haley returns after our Family Theater story for the love of angels starring Stanley Clements and Jack Bailey. But Ginger, you don't want to feel like that? I'll feel like I please. What kind of man are you anyway? Now look, just because I won't eat steak. Do you realize what I had to pay for that filet mignon? Do you realize I got off work early just to cook for it? Do you realize what I did? I can't help it, baby. I can't eat it. Well, why not? What's wrong with steak? It's cow. Sure it's cow. What'd you think it was, mink? Well, I can't eat it and that's all there is to it. Now leave me alone. What do you please? Oh, no. I never told anybody why I don't eat steak and I never thought I'd have to. I wouldn't have told Ginger except, well, she's kind of special.  Besides, I never was able to listen to a gal cry. It gets me every time. Now look, honey, it ain't that I don't like steak. I'm crazy about it.  Because I, well, it's a kind of a thing a guy don't want to yucked about, see? And if you ever crack wise to any of my friends, any of those hip-charges- Chargie, what are you talking about? Well, I'm talking about the war. Now you wouldn't think a hunk of beef could have anything to do with the war, would you? But in my mind, the three of them will always be tied up in the same package. The war and Hank and Angel. Yes, sir, we'll just screwy things to a guy. It got me tangled up with his rural joe by the name of Hank Adams. Now, ain't that a moniker for you? And so helped me, he looked at two. A Hollywood version of Abe Lincoln with a musket if I ever saw one. Tall, lanky, a regular beanpole, and brother, that cornball talk of his. But I don't get to know this, Hank, until the morning of the African landing. We're already in the landing bodge. See, I look around me. Some of the guys I think are really tough are chewing their nails right down at the elbow. The only guy in the my bodge that don't look tilted is this cow jockey, Hank Adams. So I give him the nudge. Hi, pal. Well, howdy, how are you? My name's Gordon, Georgie Gordon. Well, my name's Hank Adams. Howdy. Likewise. Well, what do you know? So that's Africa out there, huh? Yeah, well, I reckon it is. Where'd you come from, Hank? Iowa. Iowa? No kidding, you mean there is such a place? I always thought it was just something that slipped in the back of the geography book. Hey, there's two million folks, besides me, come from out there, and a lot of them are fighting this war same as you are. Now, wait a minute. I didn't mean nothing against it. I was just making with a gag. See, I... Yeah, you're from New York, huh? Yeah, how'd you guess? You ever been there? No. Never was out of Iowa till I got into your army. Yeah, I know it. Sure broadens that guy. Say, are you scared? Yeah, I guess I am. Ain't you? Oh, me? Georgie Gordon? He's scared of a fight just because they call it a war. Me afraid? Well, ain't you? Yep, I guess so. I guess so. What are you thinking about, Hank?  No, no, I wouldn't laugh.  Gal? No. I'm thinking of a cow. A what? A cow. Man, I was thinking about my home, about my farm. Oh, what's so funny about that? I've been thinking about it, too. You have? Yeah, a nifty one-room job just off-Broadway, right in our heart of things. Just a small farm of God, but it's big enough for us, I guess. Only three of us in the family, and we couldn't handle no more land if we had it, I guess. Land, Deadlow Island, Staten Island, and the Bronx. Now, there's a lovely hunk of ground. See, when you're born with a plow on your hand like I was, it's all you want. Oh, I want a lot of things. Right now, I wish I could see a sight in little chemical blonde. Hey, I wish you could see my span of mules. You won't find prettier mules in the whole Blaine County. And oysters. The best oysters in a well are at Marcos.  But we sure got some mighty fine trout. You like trout? Trout? Oh, I'm crazy about it. Say, you know, Hank, isn't it surprising how much two guys can have in common? Yes, it sure is. It seems a long ways out there, the old way out to Iowa. Deadlow, New York.  Angel? Oh, your guile. No. Angel's my prize-winning heifer. Huh? She's a cow, Georgie. A real champion, too, boy. You know, she took the Blue Ribbon at the county fair. A cow? Well, I'll be a... All right, you guys, this is it. Hit the main. We spilled out of those boats like dimes out of a jackpot. We charged up that beach rare and ago, all set in the Nazi fighter dock continent.  But here's the kicker. There was nobody there to fight. No Nazis. Just a bunch of jabbering Arabs. Hey, I'm not going to America. You give cigarette. What are these guys catching on fast? Quit crawling all over me, will ya? Wait a minute, Georgie. Wait a minute. I don't smoke, but let them have some, huh? That's a friendly thing to do, I think. All right. Hey, old man. And you, hey, let go of me. All right, all right. Take the cigarettes. Take the whole pack. Leave me alone, will ya? Who let bound and scraping just for a cigarette? Now, Georgie, that I don't think is it. It's because they like us, you know. I believe they're kind of glad to see us out here. Yeah, I guess we were glad to see them, too. It was like going to the dentist and finding he had taken the day off. And that day we found out the real meaning of infantry. A full pack in the African sun, brother, is no setup. We marched and we marched. I was dead on my feet by the time Chower's called. The sun was just about ready to give up for the day. And so was I when we stopped. What do you think of Africa now, Hank? I guess it's all right. You like anything, don't you? Well, most anything. Well, I can tell you this much. Africa don't look as good to me now as it did this morning. And it didn't look good then. Now what's happened? What's going on? Ah, look at them there, Georgie. There must be a hundred of them. What are they doing? And who's that Ali Baba in a towel there screaming as... I don't know, I reckon he's a priest up there or something. And then those guys on their hands and knees in the street. Hey, quiet, quiet. What's going on? What's cooking with these guys?  Praying? Well, if that ain't a fine development for a war, a revival meeting yet. Give me a match. I ain't got any. It sounds pretty doing it. Why? Just some words from that prayer there that kind of keeps running through my head. A-la-hoo, Akbar. Hey, you know, I kind of like the feel of them words. Sounds like pig latiname. Well, at least you could do us carry matches. What's that a-la-la, what's it mean? Ah, that's a funny thing, you know what, Georgie? Here we are, half ways around the world and Arab way up there in that tower. Kind of makes me feel like I was back home in my church. Oh, there I go, talking about that farm again. No, no, go ahead, kid. Talk. Go ahead if it makes you feel good. Well, Sunday's back home, you know. I used to get my kid brother Jimmy up extra early to help water the stock. Now, you see, that way I had a lot of time to work on Angel. Oh, boy, I'd wash her up real good like and brush her tail and trim her hoofs up a little bit. I'd work on her till she's shown up. She was the prettiest heifer anywhere. Yeah, and I always felt better, you know. Going to church, I mean. I always felt better. It makes a man think, don't it? Well, I don't know. I never went to church much. Well, I used to when I was a kid. But what made you call out Angel? Well, I didn't. Not the first, anyways. She was born, she was scrawny and skinny. I called her Angles. But that 4-H club we got back to her home made a mistake on a registration slip to give me back and it'd come out Angel. I never bothered much about changing it. You know something, Georgie? She just naturally grew into that name. Oh, I think I've known guys that were dame-wacky and horse-wacky and even jive-wacky. But you're the first guy I ever ran into that was cow-wacky. And he was, too. Even when the novelty of being in Africa wore off, he kept talking about her. All he did in those days was march and camp and camp and march. But one day the buzz got around that we were trying to catch up to a Nazi character called the Fox.  We scattered, took the cover. Our anti-aircraft got into action. Another barrage came. This time the screaming Mimis from the Nazis were holding down our second objective. An oasis. An oasis? A couple of scrawny-looking palms and a water hole. Yeah, that's what all his shooting was about. And after I got used to the idea that these maneuvers were for keeps, I looked around to see how Hank was doing. I couldn't see him. I thought maybe he'd been hidden, then I heard him yell. The guys around him, they picked it up. They took to those crazy words like a dame takes the mink.  I crawled behind the dunes to where he was. Hey, pal, what are you trying to do? Win the war all by yourself? Well, who's worried about you? I just want to be sure we both break in our shoes before the war's over. My shoes is broken in. They feel fine on me. So all right, then, I'm worried about my shoes. The Nazis kept pouring it into us. I didn't even try to keep up with farmer boy Hank. I was pretty busy on my own. Well, we took that water hole and after all that sun and dust, it sure looked beautiful. I was out on my feet. It fell swell just to lay on that ground and do nothing. But as far as it'd go, I felt great. I felt at least six foot five. Now, when they talked about experienced troops and the dispatchers, they were talking about me, about Georgie Gordon, foot soldier, a guy with a gun. Hey, hey, what's use of quiet about there, Georgie? Well, I was just wondering, what is aloha akbara? Aloha akbara. What does that mean? Oh, you want to match, Georgie? I got me a whole bunch of them. Pretty awful out there, wasn't it? Yeah, sure was. Now, I wonder how she made out. Huh? What are you talking about? Angel. Angel? Georgie, you know who Angel is.  Today is state fair day way back home, man. Today? Yeah.  Did I say something funny? Oh, through the war, Hank was like that. He was a kind of safety valve, you might say. And every time I got too tied up about something and when I thought we weren't going to make it like at Anzio, it stopped talking about that cow of his and pretty soon I'd be laughing and remembering what I wanted to go back to and it wasn't so bad. But one thing I couldn't laugh off, it stuck with me and it heckled me. I had to find out. There was only one guy in the outfit that might know and I hated to go to him.  I didn't want to be classed with him. But I went to him, just the same. Chaplain, can I see you? Sure, come on in.  I just got a box from home. You want some candy? Oh, sure, sure, thanks. That mud, some mess. You think we'll ever get clean again? Well, I don't know, sir. I'm getting used to myself this way. You've never stopped in before, Gordon.  It's a gloomy night. Want to play cards? That's only partly sucky. No, thanks, sir. Something's been on my mind a long time. Do you remember right after we landed in Africa how the guy started yelling that crazy battle cry? Why? Are you the fellow who started it? No, no, my buddy did he. Well, it was okay, wasn't it? In the heat of emotion, Gordon, men have said many things. In battle there seems to be just a thin thread holding men together. Yet it's a tough thread, strong. We call it morale. Anything that can keep a bunch of men together, fighting for each other and for something, can't be bad. Yeah, I guess so. But what does Alawar Akbar mean? What does that mean? Well, literally translated, it means God is great. Oh, no wonder it packs such a wallop. Yeah. And everybody takes that wallop for granted. That's pretty much the general trouble in the world today. Well, I used to go to church when I was a kid, but when I grew up I got so busy trying to make a buck for my family and... That's right, Gordon. That's right. God is great. But we just never get around to letting him know about it. But you see, Chaplain, I... Some more candy, Gordon? No, no, thanks. Well, I never forgot the Chaplain and I never forgot Alawar Akbar. It was good luck, especially to hanker me. We went through Sicily, Italy and France without a scratch. But you can't win every time, I guess, and it was just before V.E. Day. I busted our bowler when I saw Hank. Well, I picked him up and I brought him back to the lines. Some brass had made a big fuss about giving me a medal, but Hank's my buddy. See, you just naturally pick up your buddy. No need for Congress to get an uproar about it. And believe me, those next few days without Hank, I found out Chaplain was right. War is strictly from hunger. And even after V.E., I still felt sunk because I was going to have to go home on rotation without knowing how it made out. I drove my CO crazy, trying to get some dope about Hank, but I didn't get anywhere. He was loaded with problems without bothering with mine. That's why I went to the Chaplain. And in a couple of days, he sent for me. Here you are, Gordon. Here's your pass. You can find your buddy Adams in a field hospital in Brussels. Don't miss your sailing date. It's been set back a week. Well, how'd you do it? How'd you find out? How'd you wangle a pass? My boss has all kinds of influence. Your boss? Oh, Eisenhower? No, Gordon. I'm talking about my special boss. The big boss. The big... Oh, you mean, well... Well, tell him thanks for me, will you? He's easy to talk to. Why don't you tell him yourself? Huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. I'll do that. Hank! What, you all sent an highway? How are you? George, I'm... I'm right glad to see you. Well, same here. You look all right.  Hey, uh, why the salad puss? It ain't nothing. Come on, come on, Spellhead. Don't worry. Oh, you got nothing to worry about, pal.  Oh, I don't mind being here in a hospital. I wouldn't mind anything if I could just get back home airing time to help Angel. She's good on her own. She's got enough blue ribbons now to braid a tail. That ain't that, Georgie. And what the devil is it? She's, she's cavin. She's cavin. What's that? Sure, you know what I mean. She's... she's gonna have a baby. A what? It's not like she was some ordinary heifer, either, Georgie. Well, now I've heard every... See, it's her first one. Yeah. And she's apt to have some kind of trouble or something. My mom's there and the kid brother, he ain't got a... I've been laying here in this bed feeling sunk down, wondering what to do and all that stuff. And then you come along. I should've known you'd come. I should've known if it all turned out, I knew it was gonna happen. Wait a minute, kid. What have you got in that hay-seed head of yours? You go. Yeah. You can get there in time, Georgie.   If you think I'm gonna... Please, Georgie. No, Hank, now quit hangin' on me, will ya? I'm sorry. I'd like to do it for you, kid, but I've got things to do. Yeah, that's right. Uh, Red Hat. Georgie, you're the only person in the whole world that I'd trust my angel with.  Calf eyes? Yeah, yeah, Jake. If you go through life trustin' anybody and everybody, you're gonna end up in a fine mess goin' around thinkin' everybody's so darn noble. Just because a guy's civil, you think you can ask him? Georgie, up until now, I thought we was good friends. Well, sure, sure, we're good friends, but get one thing through your hat head, Hank Boy.  And me, I got better things to do than pace a stable floor.  Not even for me? That's what I mean, Buster. You hit the nail right on the head.  Turnin' that poor kid down after all you and him went through together. You think I was a hill, huh? I think you are worse than that. The least you could've done was go out there and see that everything was all right. Yeah, you think so. Well, you know, Ginger, it's a funny thing because that's just exactly what I did do. You did? Oh, Georgie, you mean you were? Imagine Georgie Gordon, midwife. And another thing, that highway ain't such a corny place after all. What happened with Angel? Oh, she took it fine. Her calf was born real early in the morning, about 4 a.m. Sure is a cute little guy. You should've seen him. Brown and white spots and strong, stood right up. They named him, uh, after me, Georgie. I just happen to have a picture of him in my wallet. Here, see? Oh, gee, you need cute. Yeah, and Hank writes me he's a pretty big steer now. Steer? Oh, my gosh, the stage, Vernon. Vernon, hey, wait a minute. Let me help you. Oh, let it burn. I changed my plans. Georgie, honey, how would you like to take me out to dinner? Well, sure, baby, sure. Where would you like to go? Where? Why, to Clancy's Fish and Chowder House. Where else? Here again, as your host, Jack Haley. You have just heard Family Theatre, which is presented every week as a tribute to family life in the hope that in your home there'll be faith and understanding. Yes, and forgiveness. In the hope that all the members of your family will be close together in affection and love. Pray for one another and with one another. Pray together as a family, because a family that prays together stays together. Our grateful thanks to Jack Haley, Stanley Clements, and Jack Bailey for their appearances, and to John and Gwen Bagney for writing our play. Original music was scored and conducted by Max Tehr. This production of Family Theatre, incorporated, was directed by David Jackson. Three portions were transcribed. The supporting cast included Herb Butterfield, June Foray, Lou Krugman, and Larry Dodkin. Next week, our Family Theatre star will be Peggy Cummins in The Fourth Strike. Your host will be John Lund. This series of the Family Theatre broadcasts is made possible by the thousands of you who felt the need for this kind of program and by the mutual broadcasting system which has responded to this need. Be with us next week at the same time when Peggy Cummins and John Lund will star on Family Theatre. Your announcer, Merrill Ross. This is the Mutual Broadcasting System.


What is going on guys welcome back to channel critical overload here to talk about Jordan pills and open this video here again today diving a little bit deeper into kiki Palmer and her character and why she may in fact be the villain involved with the Extra-terrestrial otherworldly experience going on in the movie based off of the earlier report that I Recalled saying that she would be the villain I found something like that and then also her recent comments that she made a couple months back in like March mid-March I think where she was talking about her character how Jordan peel was very interesting her opinion on her character and how it's always something like she has wanted to do and just going into how the Script the first time she went around I guess the direction they took her character shocked her So it seems like her character is very important. This again is from that interview She continued on by saying I was just shocked the initial conversation with him Was just him talking to me about the project and then me reading the script It was just a very incredible process very intimate and collaborative It was obviously his vision, but what I mean by collaborative is that he really valued my opinion on my character So again, it seems like that character that kiki plays in the film It's very important enough to to the point where it seems like not saying he didn't do this with other people But it seems like she's trying to make a point here with how she's using her words she also stated that She was blown away with the first time she read pills script and she may have given a subtle hint about her Character's fate in the process. She said I was in shock. I think I was in shock about my character I just felt like these are the things I dreamed of doing. That's what I felt So like again, she the way she's wording it It seems like the character that she's portraying in this movie has some importance as it pertains to the other worldly events going on and Maybe something that is gonna be a big twist in the movie regarding her character And then I did find a report from the Illuminati who deadline had used them as a source at one point Also when they reported this they they put out the article in 2021 Kiki Palmer attached to the villain role in mysterious Jordan Peele project starring Daniel Kalu And I have made it a point to say that of course at the time This could have been how it was reported to them from their sources And that's why they related to the rest of the public in that manner And that actually could just not be the case and she actually just isn't the complete villain this time around in the actual Movie itself but going off of some of her more recent comments about her role in the movie I think that either one or two things will happen Either these aliens have always been here and she's one of them And this has something to do with how they can take different forms and we'll find out that she has been a part of this Endgame ultimate plan that these aliens have Or it could be a thing where they when the aliens arrived Because it looks like there's also a moment where Stephen Young's character has like a An attraction with products being sold designed after the aliens that have recently arrived Again, it seems like the movie is set in the mid 2000s So the other scenario I'm thinking of is maybe sometime after the aliens arrival Certain humans started joining forces with them in an effort to save themselves And we'll find out that Kiki Palmer's character was someone who was in contact with the aliens Post the rival in an effort to save her own life And we'll find out that the ultimate endgame has something to do with the aliens of course replacing the human race They've already crafted something beyond Where the aliens have come from from the from the humans to be teleported to something like that could go down That's just like the two major scenarios. I'm thinking of as it pertains to what Kiki's character will be Related to in some fashion with these aliens because we know Daniel Kalu is supposed to have some other worldly experience And I think this again will be heavily related to a big twist revolving the character the character portrayed by Kiki Palmer And learning that she has she has been a cahoots with these other worldly entities Either from the start before they even arrived or sometime after they arrived in an effort to save herself I know many people will probably just prefer that if this does involve like some shape shifting aliens That maybe Kiki Palmer is indeed just one of those aliens herself And this is a form that she managed to take how they will relate relay this in relation to of course how Daniel's character never knew about it and Who this person is that he's actually known for so many years I don't know how that'll come across. Maybe those will actually deal with the fact that again, this was a real person that Daniel knows of but it's not actually her It's someone else meaning one of those aliens and the real Kiki Palmer's character was taken many years ago prior to the aliens ultimate invasion of the planet And how this all factors into the social commentary aspect and all those other good things that i'm pretty sure Jordan people have Disclosed and dished out in this film as it pertains to its narrative. I don't know all of those things I'm still kind of having those get juggled around in my head trying to understand the different directions this man could take Uh, obviously again, I've made it clear. I think there's a lot of inspiration being pulled here from the invasion Or the monsters are due on maple street The evasion of the body snatchers also as well Given that he's the head of the twilight zone series or heavily involved with that series right now I think that it's safe to say that he will have A lot of importance Or a lot of importance in relation to drawing inspiration from his reboot of the twilight zone And he's doing that here even further with his new movie title. Nope Obviously again, we're all expecting a first look trailer or more extended look trailer to be released after that footage Was shown at cinemacon, which of course seemingly confirmed that it is indeed aliens Kiki was also Someone who was wise to not go into any real specifics at the time when that interview came out She was just going over some of the things that jordan had stated She didn't want to really go into too many details because it seems like everyone is invested in wanting to preserve The Shocking things like i'm certain will be revealed as this movie unfolds because again, it seems like there's an attraction going on at Some point in the movie with products sold that are that are designed after these aliens So it might have been a case where the aliens came humans for whatever reason that area decided to build attractions around them and try to profit off them and Then something of course else just transpires where we find out some of these humans are in cahoots with the aliens And the way kiki has recently talked about her character makes me think that she will be one of those humans In cahoots with the aliens or indeed if she's not a human herself We'll find out that she is indeed an alien that might have replaced someone daniel kalua's character new Many years ago and thought was still with him But they've actually been gone for quite some time and that'll just be another big revelation to him that might Be a factor into this otherworldly experience He's expected to have as the movie unfolds and progresses with all the madness that i'm sure jordan pill will have Ready for us in our efforts to explore and understand his mind even further in july when this movie releases But let me know what you guys think about that down in the comment section below Do you think that kiki palmer's comments indicate that she is indeed going to be the villain as the report had stated back in 2021 or is there something else going on and of course we're just looking too far into it Let me know down in the comment section if you haven't already of course Make sure you go ahead and subscribe turn on post notifications. 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It does because scale is very much about the peer-to-peer exchange. I said that we maintain basically this basic relationship. I'm a manufacturer of my clients or my suppliers and they exchange proofs and sort of cryptographic proofs and verifiable credentials. So we maintain this and it's a peer-to-peer. The underlying blockchain level is for the public keys. That must be looked up for verification. The schemas that are only issued once in a while so the schemas never change really. Maybe once a while a certifier extends a schema. But it anyway has to be based on common understanding, how the greenhouse gas protocol or the ISO standards or maybe extensions on top of this would define the attributes in the verifiable credentials. So it's scale I don't see really as an issue. No, I just guess. We hash blocks of data to the blockchain with the vast majority. And we've got hundreds of millions of records coming in from the supply chain that would just create indigestion. So we're using traditional databases, Oracle and graph databases, to store a lot of the heavy data and then hashing packets that data to the blockchain. And a similar approach really to gaining the benefit of the distributed ledger without the disadvantages of trying to store vast quantities of information in the distributed ledger itself.


If you could say, I'm Master Sergeant Eric England and I was a sniper in the Marine Corps. Can you say that for us on camera? Well, like I say, if I do that, I'm going to get more mail and more aggravating. I get these letters all the time. And I get tired of it. It gets old. When you get older, you kind of like to be left alone, you know? And it seems like as I get older, it gets worse. And it's like shooting. I'd rather it just be forgot too, you know? If you've never been there, you don't know what it is. You don't know how to explain it. Now, there's a few people. You don't see them. They'll brag about it. They love it. But I'm not a glory ham. Never have been. That never will be. It's your job to provide that accuracy. There's no mystery about good shooting. Observe a set of simple rules and anyone can become a consistently good shot. I had a first cousin that went in in 48. He stayed in Paris Island for four years. And he was on the rifle range, a coach, part of the time. And he'd tell me, just come down here. We can shoot. Shoot a lot. I like that shooting a lot. Well, I love shooting and I love to be a good shot because being a good shot makes a better marine. I want to be a good marine, and which I consider myself better than the average marine because I can shoot better than the average marine. What inspired me a lot in those days was Chesty Fuller. When I got distinguished at the Camp of June, North Carolina in 1954, Chesty put in my distinguished badge to me. About Vietnam? Well, it's like always. It ain't no good feeling. Especially some of the jobs you have. That's just like shooting marksmanship at targets. Versus shooting at competitions. Was your mindset different? Yeah, your mind's got to be the same. You've got to get a good shot off. When you go up and get that one shot off, you try to put yourself in another world.  Because if you don't, you can be dead.  It was a long road at 600 miles here and it seemed like 6,000 miles getting home. And I guess some people are happy to say goodbye and get home my other way. I didn't feel right. The greatest thing that ever happened to me when I went into the military. If I'd never went into the military, I'd have never been nothing. The military helped me. It really helped me the Marine Corps did. It helped me. It made me what I am. I'm a Marine and I'm proud of it.


Hey, we're back, it's the two o'clock rock here on Friday, and we have Peter Carlyle. We're going to talk with Peter Carlyle about so many things that are really interesting because he has lived in another kind of world. Sorry, Peter, I said that. Well, it's probably true. I always felt like an alien. Just to, you know, give you the short summary of it, he's been a prosecuting attorney for the city and county of Honolulu. What is it, the third elected prosecuting attorney? Well done. Thank you very much. And he was the 13th mayor. All of the mayors were elected. Yes, I thought so. That seemed to be a problem. And he's now a partner in the O'Connor firm, and good for him.  Exactly correct.  Well, you've had a number of chapters in your book, but there's more to come, I think. I hope so. I'm looking with anguish and intent on the U.S. attorney's office. Anguish in that it'll be a new experience, and content in that it will be an intent, because I think it'll be a good experience for me as well as for that office. You know, I want to link those, all these things up here in our show today with you, Peter.  You did the Xerox case all by yourself. You prosecuted that case. Usually the prosecutor, the chief prosecutor, does not go down and try cases, but you did. You actually went and tried that case. You know, I felt strongly about that, because I think that if you sit around and spend your life as an administrator, you miss the kind of difficulties that your own people have to go through. I mean, they have to go down there. They have to stand in front of the judge. They have to argue in front of the jury, and their reputation and their ability is online.  What do you mean by that? I think I was thinking about that as we drove down for the show. Ethical pressures, you represent not only a constituency, but a jurisdiction, all the people in the jurisdiction. And your job is not merely to seek convictions. And this is written into the ethics code. It is to basically make sure that you are doing it according to the rules and to everything you can within the guidance of the law. So your job is to follow the law, and not simply you have a horrible person, you know they've done all sorts of things. It's not just to convict. It's to see that justice is done. Yeah, and it has a ripple effect. What I mean is what you do down there has an effect on the way the law is treated by others.  So you're right. The ripple effect can actually be national. And if it's a big enough case, which would be the type of thing that the U.S. district attorney would be doing here, the federal prosecutor, that would end up being international problems. Yeah. I think people watch what happens in court. That's why prosecutors are so important, not only in the city and county, but in the state circumstance and in the federal circumstance. Because people watch and, you know, we live in, everyone in the world lives in this kind of fabric of the sort of the civilized mantle of respecting the law. And if we stop respecting the law, it would fall apart. And somehow it begins with the prosecutor. Somehow the prosecutor makes the point, you know, you got to follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules, we're going to use sanctions on you. And then people see that happen. They see the sanctions. And they say, gee, I think I'll follow the rules. I think that's completely correct. I think it is something that has the right type of effect on a rule of law. And that's what we need to have. And that mantle is critical to a civilized society, in my opinion. But there are people out there who will routinely break the law with nothing but arrogance and narcissism and perpetual repeated offenses. And they have to be dealt with seriously. And we do that by depriving them of liberty and sticking them in a prison sometimes and sometimes sticking them in for a very long time. And although, you know, a lot of people feel that prisons ought to be reformed, and indeed, in many ways, they should be reformed. The fact is that we need to do that for all the reasons that imprisonment is necessary in a civilized society. Well, take Uesugi and the Xerox massacre, which you brought up. I mean, frankly, there is no excuse for that guy ever seeing light again. He's still sitting in his prison cell happy about what he did. The Kirk Lankford guy, who if you remember Masumi Watanabe, we never found her body, that was something that had international implications. And it was critical for us to make sure that we took this sociopathic, narcissistic, arrogant person and keep him away from civilized society from now until he's passed away. And I wholly support that and should.  I don't want him around me.  I don't want him on the street in my community. But it's everybody. Yeah, you want to protect people from savage behavior. And whether they, the people know that this guy is like he, you know, but a lot of people, they wouldn't know. You still have to protect them from him. That's a really good point, because you know that thing about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, juries very rarely see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth because of the exclusionary rule. Oh, sure. You've got all sorts of reasons to keep evidence from the jury. And some of that evidence is absolutely critical. But it's kept from them. They don't see it. And then you have a travesty of justice and the prosecutor is going to be blamed for allowing this to occur when in fact it was the rules that we live by that have been, in my opinion, so inflated since the time of the Constitution that they're now no longer recognizable.  And there was one bill, I don't remember the substance, but there was one bill that you were supporting and you were very passionate about. And you came to a meeting, I was running this meeting or involved in this meeting, I'll never forget.  You pleaded with the people in his meeting. Put your hands over your heart. They should support your bill. I recall that happening once, maybe twice in my career. It was really touching. I think it had a big effect on people. And I'm thinking also of Rudy Giuliani. I'll never forget. I didn't know the essence of his approach when he was a prosecutor in New York, U.S. Attorney Prosecutor in New York. Wasn't it? Yeah, he was a U.S. Attorney. His thought was, prosecute every little crime in the thought that people out there will see that you do enforce the law. And then they won't do murder.  The broken window theory, and absolutely effective, if you do the quality of life crimes and you do them consistently, somehow the guy who's jumping over the turnstile and is brought to the ground and handcuffed and taken off for 48 hours in detention, they say, if they're going to do this to me for that, I'm not going to mess around with this. I'm trying to think where it was where they caned somebody for spitting on the ground. Singapore. Singapore. And shortly after that, there was a lot less saliva on the ground. So I met you once in that context, in the think-tech context. I remember I came up to your office, and I was very impressed. You were running a tide ship. You were the Elliott Ness kind of prosecutor. It was an interesting media. First time I met you, I remember that. But from there, you went to mayor. And mayor's a different kettle of fish. I mean, prosecutors have relationship with the public, though. I want to add that. And that sort of is part of the transition, isn't it? As long as you're putting people in jail, people like you, as long as the potholes exist and their sewer main breaks and there's calamity around from a tsunami or something like that, it's always the mayor's fault. And rightly so. How was it being mayor? That was a real change of situation. You know, I got to say, I think it was like the icing on the cake. I really enjoyed being mayor, because you can do it in such a way that you can have a tremendous impact on the quality of people in their everyday life. And it's a rare case when somebody is the victim of a very serious crime. But if you can sit there and make everybody happier when they're driving to work, if they don't have to spend two hours going from Kapolei to Alamoana Center, if you can be part of those type of solutions to problems, that's a really good thing. But I will tell you right now, never, ever, ever engage in war on potholes. Potholes will always win. So you have to say, okay, we're doing our best, but they will come back and we will do a pavement management system, which we did, which gives you some leeway, but there will always be potholes as long as we've got salt water, a salted water or asphalt.  And you see it from the point of practicing law, which gives you a certain level of sophistication, but not experience. Okay, then one day you run for office and my goodness, you win. And you have certain expectations going in. And one of them is, like Mr. Smith goes to Washington, you are going to bring this idealistic solution-oriented mentality and you're going to fix everything. And you're going to bring your special talent, your special appreciation that you got as prosecutor or as counsel, whatever. And you're going to be the best mayor ever. Did you have that experience? What were your expectations going in? My expectations were not exactly like that. My expectations were is that if we could put together systems that would perpetuate themselves and address problems that were not going to be solved overnight, but you were looking to generations to come and give them a better quality of life and have Honolulu even more attractive than it already is, I would say that that's not overly ambitious and that can be accomplished. The difficulty is that you've got all the mayor wannabes screaming at you for not doing what they want you to do or if something goes wrong, it's clearly your fault. That's the other problem is there's a lot of politics in this political position. And that sometimes with the person with the right level of ambition and incompetence is a nuisance. Yeah, it's sort of like dealing with the bureaucracy. You're just passing through. We're going to be here. We can wait you out. Or somebody who is just hopelessly inept and clearly incompetent and is buying lunch for his wife, kid, whoever somebody like that might be. And they're talking righteously about their desire to make sure that things are going to be delivered from the hands of that awful demon Carlisle. They're entertaining for a while and happily most of them fall on the dentress of yesterday and don't reappear. So what part of being a mayor did you enjoy? There's a lot of things that I did and I was glad that I did it and it comes back to ding in the long run. But I believe that going out and being an ambassador for this island and for this city and county is a big part of your job. I think it was important for us to bring the advantages that were given to us by President Obama, by giving us APEC. I thought that that was a huge shot in the eyes of us. It was a big deal for sure. And a big challenge for the city. And it was done incredibly well. One of the guys who I always want to give credit to this was Louis K. Aloha, who I know has now fallen on difficult times. But he unequivocally went out and took training money and started escorting people who were going to be very, very high calibers, some of the greatest leaders in the world, from the airport to Waikiki. And that required necessarily complete safety and oftentimes closing down roads. And he did an absolutely great job of getting ready to do it and then executing it practically perfectly. Yeah, you get three results on that. One is you give them safety. Two is you impress them with how efficient you are and this is a real city. It's not just in the outback. And I guess the other thing is you show people, not only them but everyone, that we are capable of dealing with international conferences. We need to show people that. And that's a big deal because if you can get over, everybody wants to think about this as a place where you're going to get a tan on the beach. But if you can also say that is basically conducive to sort of the side talking with each other where they sit down and get the real business done and they're doing it in an environment that is really friendly and not hostile and moving ahead in a positive direction with living together with each other in the world. In terms of achievement, you look back on those years, what do you see as your biggest achievement in that period? I think always the real big question has been rail. I think rail has always been significant and I think until and one of our great benefactors throughout his career was Dan Inouye obviously and he was 100% on board on that situation at all. So to get standing side by side with him and seeing the first pillar go up and then seeing the rail start and to see it moving in a positive direction and then people talking should we call this dart dance area rapid transport you know, all of those things were very positive and he was a remarkable guy and it was a pleasure to be able to get to know him well and to work with him. I think about you know being catapulted from an ordinary person prosecuting attorney however ordinary or extraordinary that is to be a leader of a major jurisdiction in the state and to get to know all the other players like Dan Inouye. Well and the other one who I want to point out quickly who's fallen also on some sometimes physically difficult problems is Maisie Hirono. Maisie Hirono was critical to me when I went back to get the full funding grant agreement for the rail and she was one of the people between different people there in the capital both Democrats and Republicans and couldn't have been more vocal about her support of the rail in a good way so I want to sort of shout out and say I hope you're doing well and thank you for her service and we hope there's going to be many more years of her service. We're going to join you in that. We're going to take a short break that's Peter Carlisle former mayor, former prosecutor and now an attorney in a downtown firm with an election that followed his term what he thinks about rail now and what he thinks about the United States attorney's office. We're going to cover all that in 15 minutes. That's plenty of time. Right after this break. You're watching Think Tech Hawaii 25 talk shows by 25 dedicated hosts every week helping us to explore and understand the issues and events in and affecting our state. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tech. Hi I'm Carol Cox. I'm the new host on Eyes on Hawaii. Make sure you stay in the know on Hawaii. Join us on Tuesdays at 12 noon. We will see you then. Aloha. We make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success. Elevate your match day experience. If you drink never drive. Okay, we're back with a lot with Peter Carlisle. What a treat. Thank you for coming down Peter. It's great to see you. My pleasure. So, rail. Okay. You set up the funding.  It's a hot potato. Because I mean, if you delay in a construction project of this size and magnitude, it immediately starts increasing the costs. So the second that you have have this shifted from the construction to the legal system, then suddenly everything starts to fall apart because of deadlines because of union contracts and requirements of they're being able to do things at the appropriate time. All of those things create problems. And so, the second that you had Ben Cayetano, Cliff Slater, and Randy Roth conspiring to make sure that we were not going to get this thing undone on time. And now, what did they do? They started saying oh, it's so expensive. It's so expensive. Well, you're the problem, gang. Because delay creates a crucial cost. And then knew that and that was their strategy. You know that's the strategy in trials. You delay, delay, delay, and then the witness size fall away or they fall asleep or they get tired and they go. That's the strategy. So, I'm thinking of TMT, there's a delay situation for you. You think? Anyway, so how did you know this is so even now today, and I'll ask you in a minute what you think about the current status, but that had to have a big effect on what you want to call it the mandate election with Ben Cayetano and you were there and Kurt Colwell was there. Right. How did that play? How did you participate? What were your, what's your recollections, your impressions about that campaign? It depends. I know it's the one that I won or the couple that I lost. And the answer is you finally get to the point where you see all of this foolishness which is what we have in election campaigns. And I don't know who it was who invented the fine art of sign-waving, but one it was brilliant in terms of it did have an impact. People see people on the side of the road. That has some effect on them. And unfortunately you can buy, lie, and plagiarize your way through a campaign but you can't do that if you're running an office and running it correctly. That's real business and you've got to actually do something rather than say you're doing something and have a commercial that has the lights going off behind you and all the fireworks and all the other riff nonsense. Well everybody was making some pretty high rhetoric during that campaign. And I remember the whole attempt to defame Ben Caetano who was carrying it as a mandate. Suggesting he was guilty of this, that, and the other thing. So much so that he actually ultimately filed a lawsuit for defamation. That didn't go anywhere. But that was it was a really nasty campaign. Well it was a nasty campaign. There comes a point when everybody starts digging in and it becomes more the usual and this is not entirely devoid of behavior of the media and the press. Oh I'm sure. If they can start a fight that sells newspaper or sells airtime and if that's done the way it's being done absolutely ad nauseam in Washington DC right now it divides people it causes hostility and it doesn't allow for common ground. Well I mean is it inherent in this that the ability to win that election was affected by all the all the noise and smoke and fire and commotion about rail? Oh yeah I think that the last few elections have all had to do with the rail system and I think that has to do with now at one point I became monstrously unpopular because I supported the rail system now at the end of Caldwell's terms we're not finding if you take a look at the Civil Beat polls. Saw that the other day. They said that he was less popular in Hawaii than something. Well but he's done it in impressive fashion so now it's sort of hanging around his neck. So it's a process that's going to go on for every mayor while this issue is hanging there. Yeah and the good news is it's going to see fruition I mean it's going to be finished it's madness to start talking about tearing it down and throwing it away that makes no sense and so everybody has now even Dejeu and those guys who were adamantly opposed to it at one point everybody was and went all the way from Kapolei as promised to the Alamoana center and that's going to happen. Can we do it? Can we get the money? Especially in this administration. We can do it and it's going to have to be done how long it's going to take and how much it's going to cost is a fair question. But as you said the longer it takes the more expensive it is and there's all these lawsuits that will come out for breach of the contracting agreements. Those difficulties exist and it's insurmountable. So what's your current view of it? You've written you've taken positions on this you know in your civilian role what position would you articulate today about rail? I would say that it is unconscionable to make all of those people who live on West Oahu go through a commute that usually takes up four hours of their day going and coming. That's too long and that's unfair we built that area West Oahu with the promise that they would be given decent transportation. So if government fails to keep that obligation then government suddenly becomes suspect and is no longer trustworthy. Yeah I think government in general nationally and locally has lost trustworthiness and I think you know a lot of the trustworthiness the reduction of trustworthiness in Hawaii at least Oahu has been around rail because the newspaper will make raw meat out of it every time they get a chance. And Oahu it is particularly about rail and we noticed that again in the Civil Beat poll because it said people were more hostile to what's been going on with this particular mayor than people on the neighbor islands and that is carrying the burden of rail which others have done before him.  I think we got it on the record now no surprise but if you were mayor what would you do about rail? step by step I think the idea that they have of getting an audit makes a bunch of sense I think then you take a look at between that and what the reality is if I had the ability to lop some heads and hopefully so they wouldn't return the first being the current mayor and then after that I would say you have got to keep up the other work but you need to focus on finishing what you started and it's that simple you're going to do it from here on not with bells and whistles not with pretty things here and there but you're going to get the fundamentals of a rail system established up and running now okay with all of that you're a community minded person you've been in the mix for a long time as prosecutor because you certainly get to know the community there and as mayor that's enviable how much you can learn about the community as mayor and here we are and you're practicing but you have an eye on the U.S. Attorney's Office I do why is that you sort of your DNA has been transmogrified into prosecutorial DNA is that what it is? I'm going to tell you a good story about that and that is I had the pleasure of being with the Dalai Lama for about three days and we were talking to each other and giving press conferences and we were together and he said choose to be optimistic you'll feel better because I'm the Dalai Lama and will always be the Dalai Lama and that has this certain prestige but what I think of myself as is a Tibetan monk that is what my DNA is my DNA is prosecutorial I would agree with that that's pretty much why I asked the question because I think it's true you still present as a prosecutor I think your whole way of looking at things is still as a prosecutor and prosecutors are special people because they want to see the justice that's the reason why when I was in the military most of the time I was a prosecutor and I stood up in front of the military judge in those cases and I would say may it please the court my name is Jay Fidel and I represent the United States of America it puts a chill in my back even now you said that and a chill went up in my back because you said it so accomplished and experienced I haven't experienced that yet and I would love to be able to say I represent the United States of America let's take a look at the US Attorney's Office here what's it like, how big is it why was it different than a prosecutor's office the prosecutor's office is handled by the city and county employees and prosecutors and it's under the umbrella of the authority of the Attorney General but there's case law that says really the person who's going to be doing the prosecuting so there you're representing the people of the state of Hawaii under the umbrella of the Attorney General when you get to that next level when you start saying that you're a federal prosecutor now you represent the interests of the United States all the way up to the commander in chief which of course is President Trump and you go and you represent them in federal court for the district of Hawaii this is something it is something and it's and they are elite and they are accomplished so your job is to go into an organization that is already running well and has very sophisticated and capable people and either put it, give them a little more limelight that they deserve or figure out what they think that they knew the resources that they need and how that you could sit there and voice their concerns and their needs from the perspective of being in charge of that entire operation which is about 65 people 65 people, wow, that's a pretty big office and they do very big cases the city and county is 220 people and the city and county of Honolulu is 10,000 so this is a gem of prosecutorial ability and they need to be able to be supported in whatever fashion that they can be including with sort of a wise guy type of prosecutorial thug I've always been impressed with federal prosecutors and I was thinking of this fellow that we had here in this chair a few months ago, Kenji Price in Carl Smith he was in the army he was in not Vietnam, I live in another time in Iraq and Afghanistan as an officer there he went to the University of Pennsylvania, got to be editor-in-chief of the Law Review and then he joined the Eastern District of New York which is a very classy district in Brooklyn I mean as far as Lord enforcement is concerned, when he was an assistant U.S. Attorney there, now he's here and he's a very, he's also got it in his DNA, if you will and he's a special guy and I think they all are, I think those prosecutors in the U.S., it's the way the country has developed it's a very class operation, it's a very high level club, don't you think? Kenji is, I mean he is a phenomenal guy, I mean he's got two bronze stars, his military credentials are absolutely impeccable he did phenomenal prosecutor at the line level, what I don't see from him is the experience of actually running either a section or the entire office, but he has admirable qualities from one end to the other and I think that he's a tremendous candidate and I would have crossed paths with him if I was one younger and two I had decided to go to the University of Pennsylvania which I did not go to because a friend took me down to Chapel Hill, North Carolina and I love the Tar Heels. Well, I mean I think you know the perfect guy for this job that's just my opinion and I think this is the perfect job for you too and so it's a really good match and it's at a time when we need it but we have a strange circumstance here just as in many other appointments around the country, this administration is for some reason dragging its heels on appointing U.S. attorneys in various districts and other officials and other federal agencies. So what's the process like and how long is it going to take before this settles down? I don't think anybody has an answer to that. I know that we were given, some people were called and I don't know how many people were called to give an interview and we spent about an hour talking face to face over electronics about the questions that they wanted to have answered and things that they thought what your view was and what you would do if some young AUSA came up to you and said hey listen old man you've done about four or five murder trials and I said no I've done about 50 or 60 of them so well I've got a murder trial coming down the pike what can you tell me and then I could impart what little wisdom I have in their direction and let them move forward and all of them are competent enough to be able to do that. It's been under, Flo Nakakuni was a phenomenon in and of herself Elida Noki is the dean of the history of that entire organization so he's the institutional knowledge so it's already got strong pillars and hopefully with the right person the pillars can be made even a little better. People don't know how important the United States Attorney is especially here even. I remember the stealth bomber espionage case where this fellow stole the plans for the stealth bomber and he gave them to the Chinese who now have them and who in fact have built shortly after the trial of this spy they built the stealth bomber according to the plans they got from him. I said pretty serious business. Ouch! Ouch! And it happened right here on Bishop Street within blocks of where we're sitting amazingly enough and the prosecution was within blocks of where we're sitting and we had actually a show about it the prosecutor who handled that case got permission to talk to us and he told us how it was in the prosecutor's side I tell you I was so impressed about you know a relentless, prosecutorial effort that was necessary to do that case and all of the issues but it's defending the country and I think I see that in you. You know the thing that I'd like to see is that there be a little more light shed on that if you have something like the Xerox massacre it's visceral because so many people were impacted by loss of loved ones and other people with Langford and Adam so despicable that they wanted to make sure that he was never going to come out again but I think that if you had enough sunshine on that office and the capabilities and the accomplishments that they've had I think that that would be better for everybody. I think that that would be a huge step not only for that office but for the community to also know hey look it's not just Pearl Harbor that's America it's this whole island is America and the USA and that's a golden thing for us I think that's true and I think the U.S. Attorney needs to communicate with the public about this such as the way you did when you were prosecutor and mayor and I also think that the administration ought to make these appointments really soon because it's an important appointment all appointments at federal you know executive levels are important but this is especially important. I agree with you because I'm a law enforcement guy so I believe in that to my very bones. Thank you Peter thanks for coming down. Pleasure and a half my friend. Aloha.


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