calling the meeting of the public safety health public and the public health all right the public health subcommittee calling that to order and this is for anybody's recording this is Monday October 4th and we'll take the roll now on the committee members Tim Wessel here Igor Jonas here Julie Holberg Tanika Scott here Gina Kramlickle and Mark Gorman here sorry I didn't identify myself Mark Gorman do we have any public comments that need to be shown or reviewed right here at the beginning of the meeting we did not receive public comments for this week for today and there are also no minutes to approve today yet Mark yeah okay well I'm gonna hand the ball up to you Gina and let's let's see what we have in the store this week good morning everyone and thank you so much for joining us we are officially switching our gears just a little bit away from warning symbols and warning language as we've turned that over to Dr. Levine's team so that they can see the work that's been done to date and give their input and weigh in we did ask for feedback by next week to give them ample time to look at it since we have our first and only milestone due on October 20th so that will coincide with everything here and so I'd like to point out that the two things we're going to talk about today have to do with food products and food labeling and then also to go back to a discussion on limiting youth exposure for those under 21 to cannabis and just some considerations there and also share a tiny bit of research on some of this as it relates to a couple of things in those areas so Gina was kind enough to help us this week by doing some research with us on what Vermont requires for food products so before we take a look at this and just look at a basic labeling of Vermont food products one of the things that we have been in discussion with the CCB on is to get experts in for this committee from the Agency of Agriculture and also the Department of Health as it relates to food products that will be containing cannabis. Julie did I say that correctly? Yes I think so. Excellent so in Vermont there is a little bit of oversight from each committee on different I mean each agency on different areas so getting folks in that could speak to the committee on that as an expert testimony will be probably immensely helpful to all involved especially as recommendations are put forth for the CCB so in Vermont and this is from the Agency of Agriculture they have a guide to food labeling that basically if there's food products in Vermont it has to identify it and identify it by the common name of the food what the quantity is weight volume or number of products or pieces the responsible party for the food the list of ingredients and then also nutritional labeling so here's where this gets interesting and this is similar for me in Texas is that if you are a food manufacturer for say a cottage food and you make less than $50,000 a year it falls into a no label required you can basically sell things that mean as long as they don't require refrigeration so it appears that Vermont has something similar with those who make less than $50,000 a year don't have to provide a nutritional label which one of the things that we think could be in consideration with some of the other newer states such as Illinois or Michigan not looking at their specific requirements they're all very new states so there may be some item that kept them from having to put a nutritional label on some of the packages whereby California has been doing this for so long or it could just be an actual requirement so the subcommittee can make the recommendation you know as it relates to food labeling as long as we stay within the confines I would assume of what the the law says but at the same time this is a cannabis food product so we'll definitely would like to get some expert opinion weigh in on that Julie or anybody else on anything anybody'd like to add to this and then I'm going to show a quick label or Tim or Ingrid okay and then Julie I didn't ask do we have members of the public today we do we have two members of the public today okay fantastic so the FDA did an update to their nutritional label and so they did it a few years back but this is what the label should look like and what the expectation is from the FDA there is one of the California packages for sure I know had the calorie count on it and incidentally so did one from Maine that Julie shared with us so they did have a nutritional label for both of those so what we'd like to have is some understanding from the respective agencies on what the expectation may be for food labeling of a cannabis product such as an edible or a drink or something of that nature any questions on this this is truly an intro to what's coming next so please you know feel free so as I just mentioned there are two departments there is the agency of agriculture which is responsible for labeling and then the Department of Health which is responsible for say retail food establishments and I'm pretty sure manufacturing possibly as well and if not then it would be under the agency of agriculture so we are the expert advisors to talk about this and specifically what we would need from the subcommittee on this to provide ample recommendations as it relates to this area any questions are we ready to and today may be a shorter meeting depending upon how much everyone you know has to say so I'm going to move over to limiting youth exposure public health and safety and some considerations so Mark and I had a discussion this morning and there was some interesting elements where I believe there is going to be some crossover between compliance and enforcement and what might limit youth exposure meaning one of the recommendations that we've seen and this happened in California is where they require no dispensaries within a thousand feet of a school a daycare center a playground or a youth center and so Mark and I were talking and he said some of that may be compliance and enforcement but then there is an advertising element because there is still a logo or a dispensary name or something that would be seen and then one of the ones I read today was very interesting and that is limit or no curbside service if children are in the vehicle again that may be more compliance and enforcement but the advertising of that as a service may fall under public health and safety because of the advertising element or at least the considerations of a disclaimer or a warning so I definitely put that in there and then what I am unclear on is what the towns may be able to do or say and if we need to take that into consideration so Tim I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on a couple of these areas especially because you representing Brattleboro would that be now I know I'm putting you on the spot that's okay I you know there's still in my mind a little unclear on the zoning aspects of this like what powers that the towns have it doesn't it looks like it's pretty locked in on zoning at the moment from my understanding but it occurs to me you know something like if if the state of Vermont sets a rule of no curbside service if children are in the vehicle I mean that's not a that's not observed as far as I know maybe there's you know it's a completely unenforced thing which happens all the time in towns and on the state level can you pull up to when I pull up to my local pizza joint that serves me margaritas nobody is going to check to see if my son is in the backseat so as far as like parody at least with something like alcohol delivery which as you may know have been pretty much lifted since COVID started I would just advocate for it would be another example of something that local police force if any would certainly not be enforcing in the statute just so you know that was one of I read today I'm saying that I wouldn't even support it including it unless there is an existing rule for alcohol and then we should just talk about whether it's you know even makes any sense to include more regulations versus less regulations yeah got it Ingrid anything you want to add not at this time okay thank you so I would just just but in here I think what Tim just had to say is a lot of wisdom to it having looked at it from a long time from both the alcohol and the cannabis perspective I think parody is really what this whole thing has been about in terms of legalizing and availability and so forth so you know there may be circumstances where alcohol or cannabis ought to be subject to more rigorous standards but in general I think parody is a good good direction to go in excellent so the other one of the other important items is age-gating on websites there's a lot of information statistical information out that age-gating doesn't necessarily work but is really a requirement Texas A&M just did a study that I'll share with everyone on age-gating and what what their research showed but there are there are a couple of different kinds of age-gating opportunities this particular first one from freshly baked is an actual website for a place in Massachusetts so they have a are you over 21 years of age yes or no and then Jim Beams has hey you know are you of legal drinking age please enter your birthday so it's not a yes or no question it does require you to think just a little bit more but that's what you're looking at in terms of age gating to to make someone say they're 21 or not and we all know there's realities where everybody can get around anything but in parody with other states and everyone else I would say that this would be something that you would want to require of any dispensary because it is a 21 or older product does anyone have any thoughts on that or agree that that should be there or disagree so I just want to ask I've seen those before it's basically just the question of are you over 21 you click the box yes and then there's and that's it and that's it correct let's win extra step and then the second way is the extra step like I see more often than not in alcohol and I went to several different websites with the Massachusetts Cannabis Retailers Association or something like that and almost every one of them was clicking a yes or no actually they all work all the ones that I saw and I hit like four of them to see so I think that's something that I did want to put forth and if you know if you too would like to make your recommendation on you know which your preference would be we can certainly put that forth in the recommendation I mean again having no public real expertise in this area but I think having the need to enter your birth date is the minimum catch if you're if you're trying to gate anything it certainly is makes one a little more nervous if you're trying to get away with something if you need to enter your birth date I think that's very fair and it makes you think you have to anger thoughts no I totally agree I'd like again no experience whatsoever but in the websites where I've seen this it seems like at least that extra step of having to do the math before you lie about your age sorry you know we looked at that when I was at the still spirits council and it's obviously you know voluntary it's not it's not foolproof but there is some inhibiting factor that that does help keep underage people out of the out of this and just even the thought that maybe what you say here could be cross-referenced with what some other people know is you know that's also part of the that inhibiting factor yes okay so the subcommittee members agree that for age-gating we want them to input a birthday and these are plugins on websites that can go either way will is that a yes for both of you will put that okay fantastic so I'm gonna go back here as well and talk about some other areas that I think are very important and would love your feedback and it may be even some decisions on as it relates to things you've seen even in the packaging so this is dispensaries may not for advertising or logo development use things like toys inflatables movie characters cartoon characters visuals of appealing foods and bright colors names that might appeal to minors or any other display depiction or image designed in any manner to be appealing to anyone under the ages of 21 to promote cannabis or the dispensary and where this comes into play truthfully as we all know there is a massive amount of subjectivity in this in terms of what someone may determine is subjective or not which is why the CCB being able to review materials is so important in here and then there to be some guidelines so again this is a list we've looked at a while back but if anybody has anything you think that is missing we certainly would like to to know that as well I can't think of anything that's missing I do have a quick personal observation is that yesterday we were my son really has no interest in television or movies which is very great he's three and a half but he loves commercials so during the Red Sox game there's this alcohol commercial that involves you probably have seen it if you've watched any of the playoff games but it's a bunch of fruits flying up in the air and kind of smashing against each other and it's an alcoholic beverage but it's just nothing but fun and deliciousness and it's very attractive to a three and a half year old so that kind of I mean that's covered by these bullet points if that's the intention then it makes you think you know as far as parody is concerned you know has that gotten through on the alcohol thing or not you know because they were definitely visuals of appealing foods in bright colors it's basically all the commercial was just throwing that out there as an anecdotal I think that's important because I am seeing more and more of that mark you want to comment yeah well professional sports games are as I understand overwhelmingly adult you know programs and so they probably pass the 85% threshold for a Red Sox game but but you know there are these other rules and Danika has sort of laid them out here and and if it is designed to appeal to young people then it's it's not legal so it's an interesting conundrum there yeah it absolutely is and I think where it's also important for the group to consider I mean just the sheer nature of most edibles the word often used as gummies and gummies is you know so that's that's a decision or something that has to be considered but at the same time where there's an interesting element of here is the common name of the food comes into play with labeling so there's definitely needs to be some consideration you know to the board on on recommendations with things such as that as I think we all remember the fruit goobies that was from Illinois that was a real name of a product and I seen plenty like that and then some that are non-descript so it's definitely worth your consideration as the subcommittee members to think about some of that stuff and and how we could reduce the attractiveness of it with some of the names so I'll go back to this piece and I shared early on and I tried to find the article and it's just in somewhere hanging out on my multiple windows of Google Chrome that are open but there was a case written in a and it was Canada but at a hockey rink a dispensary had used a strawberry in their logo and it was bright and friendly and very appealing and was at a hockey rink where kids were playing hockey so the parents you know requested that that come down so I think that's why using the second list over here is important and also with some of the CCB oversight to ensure that it doesn't look like a strawberry shortcake dog or something along those lines is going to be important and I think that's also going to come into play with the food products themselves and what that package looks like I welcome any conversation or thoughts or feedback so that I can take some notes as we're putting these recommendations forward. I would just add I know that in some of the packaging that you showed us over the weeks that and I don't know this is subjective but font different types of font I think are more your eye is drawn to it as a child versus an adult and I don't know how we I just want to put that out there that I noticed in some of those packages that some of it looked just like what would it just wouldn't appeal to a child because it doesn't have you know goofy looking font or I just put that out there for I don't know how we decide but I think certain fonts appeal to kids. That's very fair and one of the fonts that I even put on a fake package when we were doing it I had a similar look it almost had that coca-cola scripty style look and so there is going to be you know anything that's visual is always subjective so you're absolutely correct on that but it's definitely something that I think has to be taken into you know consideration with these. Tim thoughts? No just you know it's a pretty good starting point and then as you said it's just so subjective. You get into the gray area of personal responsibility responsibility and parental responsibility as well so you just couldn't possibly address every parental concern when it comes to dangers for youth but you have to try to hit the highlights. The general themes of not making it appealing to those under 21 is a good one. Agree. I think it wouldn't hurt to put in here also resembling television shows. I'm sure you're well you said your kids not interested in TV but we've all seen Nickelodeon and we've all seen the way some of those things look and I think that that is that's an important element as well. Possibly we add you know not just cartoon characters but television characters or television shows or something along those lines and again it's not to try to necessarily over regulate but it might make someone think when they're designing something if we enough you know or some additional items so I would welcome any additional feedback on this you know for our next subcommittee if anybody feels like there's something that we're missing. Yeah I mean on the cartoon line cartoon or popular culture characters or something like that. I think that's broadens the idea a little bit. Yeah I think we all remember that you know the government called Aniser Bush on the carpet for using frogs and camel cigarettes for using camels and boy if you want to invite the government into your business you got to be careful about things like that or use an organization like control board or NACB to sort of stand in judgment of a self-regulate you know in a self-regulatory way try to keep the industry in line. I also agree that and I know this from my own career and working in marketing and advertising that when I had branding guidelines given to me by whomever I was working with they often would put a visual a do and a don't. They would say this is okay and something like this is not and so I think there is an opportunity to provide examples as well that might set good standard good graphic examples of what maybe not to do and then at least again designers or others may have it at least gives them that subjective opportunity to say maybe maybe this is the path we don't go down. It's just about to raise my Mickey cup as I so that's coffee by the way. Very good so if does anyone have anything else they'd like to add on the age gating or limiting youth exposure I know we've talked about you know an additional education you know expanding on the Department of Health's educational website about cannabis especially now that adult use is legal they may be able to put some additional information in there that will help educate parents on talking to their kids about cannabis and I'm sure they have some considerations the FDA has some great stuff on that even alone but does everyone agree that that's probably something they'd like to see expanded or for parents to be able to talk to their kids about cannabis. OK excellent. OK very good. I did add those couple of additional items over here and I do think that one of the recommendations as well would be the do's and don'ts and it doesn't have to be onerous but just enough to help folks to know when they're putting forth their their packaging or advertising or anything else so that they have enough information to come out with possibly the better thing in the beginning versus being rejected by the CCB or whoever is doing reviews and having to go back and do it again. And that's what guidelines are definitely designed for. So with that ladies and gentlemen we actually because we have so much stuff with the Department of Health right now there's not much more to cover today until we get the experts in and I know Julie is working on that. So I'd like to ask if either so committee member has anything else they'd like to add before we move on to public comments and then we'll circle back with Julie on on the expert piece now this time. I don't have anything. I just want to make a quick it falls into public comment note and I don't know if I'll need to follow up because some folks have been contacting me with concerns about warning labels and I've just been encouraging them over and over again to make a public comment. You sent them the link etc. So I think it's not really my job to comment for people and I don't really want to sway things by saying that I it really is my view but I was just contacted by a group of some of them are physicians. It's a Dr. Catherine Antley and I don't know if you have a record of having heard from that person. But if so it would be a duplicate comments and I just wanted to let you know that I am receiving the occasional because I'm fairly high profile and I show up in newspaper articles for the for the committee. So Tim are there are they wondering if you know like warning labels have any effect. I mean are they one of the other just know it's it's really they're pushing for a more expanded list of warnings that include things like psychosis and suicide attempts. So the I haven't and I don't really intend to go into the evidence of all this because I just don't have the time. But I think it should be entered in the public record that they are advocating for a more forceful warning label than it looks like the direction that we're heading in just for what it's worth. Some of them line up with what we've already talked about and others have links to I don't know if it's good science or not. So it would be something that I think Dr. Levine has also received this email. So it might be something that's on his radar and I'll I'll follow up maybe a subsequent reading just to see if there's been any reaction from his office. So Julie I know the last time Tim received a public comment. I know Nellie we did officially log that. But that's is that procedure. If if something comes through or should we the advisors maybe collect those emails from Tim and put them into one document and share them with the CCB what's the right answer there. Unless there's more detail Tim that you think needs to be shared. I feel like the comment that was just made should be captured in the minutes as part of the public comment. And we we can certainly that way bring it up again. Danique are you talking about like at the beginning of the next meeting where we discuss the public comments. Yes. So I'm if you'd like. Yeah I think in that way if it's captured somewhere then we can then we can bring it up at the beginning of the next meeting where we typically review those submitted public comments. Although I think what Tim is also saying is that he's asked the Dr. Antley to to make a public comment so that we can we can review the details of it. And I was just trying to look and see if I've seen that I haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it hasn't isn't in process somewhere. I think what I'll do is I'll just I'll forward it to the group with no comment and just so it's out there and and you can handle it. OK. Whatever way you'd like to if that's OK. Absolutely. So Julie we will probably finish early today. But do we have any public comments. We do not. OK. Very good. Well I would like to remind everyone because this is being recorded. If you would like to make a public comment you may do so by visiting ccb.vermont.gov and using the public comment input form very easily found on the website. With that mark I believe we're ready to before we adjourn. Julie have you have not heard back from our experts yet. Correct. I have not. OK. OK. We'll advise if we'll have the experts for Thursday as we really are getting to a point where a lot of the stuff needs to be wrapped up and put into reporting format to share. And so hopefully we can get someone in on Thursday. And if not I'll circle back with the CCB Mark and I will on Thursday's meeting for anybody making public comments. We do they are they are referred to the appropriate subcommittee and we do we all see them and we log them. Yes. So with that I believe everybody's going to get 20 minutes of their day back today. Mark if you'd like to. There being no there being no further discussion. I entertain a motion to adjourn. I make that motion. All right. I'll second it. Thank you. Thank you everyone. We are adjourned.


I just wanted to quickly make this video. I don't have any good sound recording on me so I'm sorry for that. This is kind of a hard video to make. The sense that I never thought I'd actually make it and I just want to kind of inform you guys what's up, know why I haven't been around for so long. So I had a very strong intuition that something was not working out in terms of the content I'm making. Like I did content about something which I'm fairly good at which is explaining all sorts of business principles but I didn't feel any desire or passion to to do it. 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So I reached the conclusion thanks to a bunch of really good friends and my beautiful girlfriend that I need to change direction and do what I love to basically discuss what I love talking about which is mostly personal development and philosophy with business being a subset of that so business the way I treat business principles is the way I treat life principles in general and just I just extract that and I give out the business advice from there so I want to go back to generalizing more towards habits ethics you know general success in life attitudes bringing you situations and how to deal with them and how I would deal with them just that sort of things that's these kind of things really turn me on in terms of passion so I really like talking about them and and hopefully I'm correct right now that this is the thing that I needed and I believe that it is because I am very good at keeping habits and at you know just building the general system of things that I do but where I have a problem is I'm extremely focused on an artistic level so if I don't feel artistically like I'm doing what I want to do I'm just not gonna do it I'm not gonna be able to do it it's like a block that is impenetrable for me that sort of unwillingness to compromise on doing things that intuitively feel like the right thing for me like the moment it feels like it's not the right path anymore I am not able to do it I may half-heartedly do it for a couple of days or weeks but that's just the beginning of the end so the funnel the way it looks right now my business funnel you know you can go to robbiefrang.com everything is in the same place because I like it you know I like that I'm starting off with kind of filtering people for the money stuff because people who are interested in that the way I'm promoting it which is like financially you know you make more money but it's not like you know a business thing it's like artistically make more money like do something that you love travel the 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going to do which again I realized I'm not gonna do the high-level stuff regarding business I'm gonna help people and coach people and answer questions to help people about that but I'm not gonna you know develop some high-end you know this is my thousand-dollar business course or something because everything that I can teach already kind of taught in the book the free book by the way 70 pages and everything that I didn't talk about specifically I can coach people I can help them you know just answer their questions I have a free Facebook group for that so I'm good with that now when you go on to the personal development route personal development route there I'm gonna focus on the heavy stuff so perhaps like weekly or monthly group calls that I'm gonna do which is not gonna be expensive at all perhaps an expensive course perhaps it will be inexpensive I'm not sure yet but I do know I want to go like really far with it so this is something that I'm really passionate about you know there's a lot of stuff that I haven't talked about yet that I can definitely go into so I have like over a year's worth of content that you know I often sit in conversations with people and people are like oh maybe you should do this maybe you should do that and people give you know they give advice based on like the first thing that come through comes to their head and I give it from I sound like if you know kind of my take on it and people are like whoa like that's like fucking profound because the way I the place I come from when I give advice is not like okay this is what happens to cross my mind right now it's like okay let's look at history how history what happened when people made that decision historically how it panned out let's see how literature like philosophy let's see how the Bible for example the stories in the Bible you know relate to it not from a religious perspective but from a philosophical way of being perspective let's see how you know philosophy treated that so I would give very profound answers and people will you know when you give get a profound answer you instantly feel like whoa like I'm getting like a really deep answer that's not just somebody spinning what they think and I always have that effect with people something that I just came to me naturally in my coaching and now I learned how to actually bring it out in the videos and like on a larger level so for me this is a huge opportunity and I'm really excited to start doing that you can also see probably in my energy that something is different like I am much more precise today so I am I am still as intense as I used to be but everything today is very much coming from a place of deep contemplation and consideration I'm no longer this erratic guy that just does you know this is awesome I do this I do this it comes from a very deep profound place at least that's the way I feel and I'm attempting to get better at it every day and I really want to share it with people so I saw this happening when all the recent conversations I've had with people you know people who are just you know friends family my girlfriend people who I did even dinner didn't have a any type of coaching relationship with suddenly I'm sitting and talking to them and they'll you know I'll say something they'll say something and then I'll start talking and they just would listen to me for like 10 20 30 40 minutes sometimes two hours I just would talk and talk and talk and talk and explain things and and and they would be like whoa like dude that was profound like you just fixed something in my head like I feel like things that I thought or that I felt are getting like untangled all of a sudden I can see clearly things that I did not have a good articulation on before so with that note again I'm extremely excited about the the direction we're taking we're when I say we I mean you and I you know the viewer I'm in this for real this time I want to take you really really far and you're going to 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So I think if Chao Johnson plays Elijah Hood and Jerome Presley are in a tier of their own at running back If it is Chad Kanoff who starts instead I'd bump hood down, but he still might be my number two back on this slate What do you see with Elijah Hood? Again, I mean I want to disagree with you at some point, but it's just tough because it's Like the big concern is just the the offense if it's Kanoff instead of Johnson I kind of have in my notes that Hood could lose out some rushing work like some rushing touchdowns throughout the season with Johnson But he's gonna make it so much better. He's gonna open up so many lanes for him that I would I would want to play hood Quite a bit in week one if it's Johnson Again, a few I think he'd probably be my number two I just I don't really want to play a lot of Elijah Hood if they're running out Chad Kanoff Yeah, I think I would still consider him because like Kanoff could wind up being good. That's within his range of outcomes but I Think that it would just lower me quite a bit


You know, it has to be someone a little unorthodox, somebody that's kind of got their own, uh, own flavor to the game. Obviously, I want to name a big superstar, one of the best in the league.  You know, on top of that is just a great teammate tries to do whatever he can to win.


ce russia unleashed war on ukraine nine months ago one third of ukrainians have been forced to leave their homes including millions displaced inside the country itself slovakia and neighboring country of 5.4 million people has granted temporary protection to more than 100 000 ukrainians mostly women and children more than a million passed through slovakia to other safe countries after russia's invasion of ukraine iam has been providing assistance to affected persons arriving in slovakia from ukraine here i take the opportunity to thank the iam for all his interventions aid and support in slovakia in connection with this war the slovak government is committed to continue supporting ukrainians in need including to partnership and collaboration with the iam in october the government adopted a new contingency plan to ramp up the capacity of the state to assist refugees arriving in slovakia due to the russian aggression against ukraine covering the period of october 2022 march 2023 mr chairperson we are concerned also about the risks including for migrants associated with irregular migration and the cynical criminal business of human trafficking there has been a sharp increase in the interceptions of undocumented migrants in terms of secondary migratory flows from the previous year the increased migratory pressure opens the question of returns we are looking for possibilities frontex has supported us in our efforts and there is a persistent need for cooperation with countries of transit and origin we are also working with our neighbors and partners regarding regarding illegal migration and people smuggling before closing uh let me welcome the success of the budget reform agreed this year and reiterate out our strong support to further institutional strengthening of the iom chair as has been stressed the global nature of migration calls for effective multilateral cooperation and rest assured that my government will contribute to this to this to its strengthening and being the last speaker between the lunch and and you i would like to comment myself to be and stay within the allocated 33 minutes in my speech i thank you thank you i was looking except for the slight error over the last speaker will be there as a general before i was okay thank you so much mr chair bueno in response to on the rest i wanted to welcome the decision of the president to adopt a migration policy which in each of its phases of implementation will bring greater protection to all migrants as well as the fact that we are working together with the authorities on contingency plans for emergency situations with a strong gender focus so that we can find responses for protection and support to the many migrants who pass through on duras and this highlights the importance of having an integrated regional vision of migratory flows as we heard in the los angeles declaration i want to express my solidarity and my appreciation for the very effective response of the ukrainian of the moldovan authorities to the crisis in ukrainia but above all of the moldovan society indeed the moldovan skeptics borders open i had the opportunity to see how the moldovan border guard was organizing the arrivals of ukrainian migrants and then setting up the green corridor that allows them to depart from the border towards other destinations and as well as the fact that the vast majority of the ukrainians that are in moldova are hosted in private houses but we know that this situation is particularly sensitive due to the burden that represents to the society in moldova confronted with the energy problems and economic and social challenges and that's why i joined my voice to your voice in asking for the support of the donors we are adopting in moldova contingency planning we do not we cannot discard the possibility of having new waves of arrivals due to the harsh winter in ukraine and the situation of the electricity and the energy in the country and we are of course prepositioning the necessary goods in the country and in the neighborhood to cope with such a possible challenge in relation to vietnam i want to start by thanking the support of the government in assisting 303 stranded syria syri lincoln migrants that were rescued at the sea providing humanitarian assistance and protection express our commitment to deploy our data collection activities in order to provide the evidence to improve the counter-traffic national action plan as well as the national implementation plan for the global compact and appreciate the the government of vietnam leadership and commitment to tackle climate change that has a serious impact in the country on a different note i would like to congratulate the vietnamese firm g8 a architects for having won the design competition for the new energy efficient and environmental sustainable iom at quarters building here in jeniva last but not least to slovakia i want to emphasize that we support your decision to provide the temporary protection directive to refugees from ukraine as well as a third country national since the very first days we recognize that there is an increase of irregular migration toward the country and we are ready to support you in terms of a voluntary return and reintegration and we stay committed to a very close cooperation and that is very successful with a scaled up mission that we have now in brattislava thank you so much so i must say that i overpassed two minutes from one o'clock mea culpa thank you um digi uh thank you after all delegations for for the assessments um i'm informed by the security that there are a few more statements to make i i hope not many but i fear that maybe so um so we shall resume uh this afternoon at 3 p.m. and now it's time for all to rush for lunch thank you


Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop We got a great show tonight because we have our guest Shelly Avellino who's supposed to be here somewhere Say something Shelly Where's her picture I have my camera locked on cuz I am clever do tonight. No, I'm just kidding. Okay, here's Shelly There's Shelly, she's our guest tonight. No, she's over here. All right We're gonna talk about all sorts of fun stuff We'd love your questions here on voiceover body shop So if you're on Facebook or on our chat room and our website ask questions so we can ask Shelly those questions or ask George and I and So why don't we just get the show on the road since George is on the road anyway? I Am right now in Seattle tonight From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. 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Michael Collins demos when quality matters and Voice over extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys and here we are. I'm Dan Leonard And I'm George Wittem and this is voice over body shop or VO BS Alrighty Well, well well well well a busy week here at the voice over body shop busy here busy and you are Here we have to show the space needle here. You're in Seattle That's right. If I stand in the right place out out on the street here I can just about see that that space needle. Yeah, I'm staying in friends at home in Capitol Hill It's a great neighborhood. You're not far from much of anything and Just getting to enjoy some time with my daughter up here. She's actually upstairs playing with her friends who live in this house Which is really cool. So it's been it's been a really cool visit so far But uh, I'm in my Seattle finest wearing a hoodie sweatshirt So, I hope you like it 90 degrees in the backyard here at the body shop Had an interesting thing happen to me this week a friend of my back in Buffalo sent me a picture of this guy I don't know how well you can see that But does he look familiar? Yeah, this is the tad bit. Yeah Anyway, it's this guy apparently gave lots of money as a philanthropic thing many many years ago like a hundred years ago And my friends now the executive director there and he's like hey Can you read like his bequest to our annual dinner and I didn't want better and I you know I did the video is him. I found Warren g. Harding's office behind me did the whole thing in sepia tone And it should be it's really cool and they're loving it back in Buffalo. Anyway, that's the fun stuff we get to do When you got a green screen Yeah, exactly. I I can be in Seattle. You can be in said I can be in Seattle, too I know you know, it's funny a lot of shows have kind of moved on quote-unquote from the green screen And I think it is just It's just one of those fun things that just makes you know when you see our show You get a CS on the backdrop of something Oftentimes we'd like to see your booth. Yeah. Yeah, we'd like it's fun to show a little weird locations that I happen to be So this is true. Well, I'd like to introduce our guests. This is a young lady. We've known for many many years and We know her as a voice actor and As this wild woman we run into at voiceover conferences with the bright red hair But she's doing some really interesting stuff and we want to talk about that. Let's welcome to voice of her body shop Shelly Avelino Shelly welcome So weird to see you on the screen and not see you in person. Yeah, well, you'll you'll see me in a couple weeks That's fine. I know I know I'll get my damn fix.  Tell me a little bit about your background. Oh my gosh You mean you can't hear my Texan accent. No, not Now I'm originally from Wales actually I was born in Germany funny enough really horses and I lived in Germany till I was six Move to England for a few years And then I moved to Wales when I was nine and I lived there ever since and ever since until I left and to do my degree And what you don't know about me probably is my degree. There's gonna be something Naughty about this. I know my degree is in ceramics and glass blowing Don't even silence Silence, there's a degree. Well, I can see it's ceramics, but in glass blowing Yeah, and I got that in Birmingham in in England and about seven years after that I've always wanted to live in Hong Kong and so I moved to Hong Kong when I was able you just wanted to live in Hong Kong Ever since I was about six years old my father was stationed out there and He used to send back how the house this first storytelling you used to send back tapes of Him telling us stories about this beautiful country the food the people all of that stuff And I fell in love with Hong Kong through his storytelling and I've always wanted to live there ever since So when I was old enough, I thought well sort this I'm just gonna rent my house out and off I go So I did I just went with a suitcase and stayed with a friend Got my teaching English as a foreign language. I was already musical I've played many musical instruments and sing so I talked music and English for years and I met my husband there who's a pilot from the US from Utah funnily enough and Yeah, we moved around a lot lived all over the world very lucky lived in Thailand Hawaii Then Singapore for a year. I'm on Singapore. We moved to Vegas because that's where my husband's Part of his family was from Vegas. So we've moved here about Eight years ago nine years and that's what I found voiceover. Yeah, and I've been doing voiceover ever since Living in all the slummy places, you know, you haven't been in Greenland or anything like that No, thank heavens, but it is on my bucket list actually Greenland supposed to be lovely Depending on where you are Anyway, so how did you drift into our wonderful world of voiceover? Oh Actually, that's a really funny story. So I was actually looking I was actually looking I was actually looking for a singing teacher at the time And I was on meet-up to do. Let's have a look on meet-up. There's got to be a singing teacher here and I found Melissa moats who used to be a singing teacher on cruise ships years and years and years ago and She was running a voiceover workshop for my home at the time And I thought oh voiceover What's all that about then? So she basically said come for your first lesson and bring a book that you're reading and I was actually reading Harry Potter at the time How stereotypical is that I was like how embarrassing so I was sat in this room with like 15 to 20 people Who all seemed to know what they were doing and I just felt oh, I have no clue. I was shaking I was just terrified terrified and I went into the booth and I read, you know a paragraph From this book and I just never wanted to leave. I thought yep This is what I want to do for the rest of my life. And then there was no stopping me I was literally like, you know car on a fast track. That was it for me. Wow. How long ago was that? That was eight years ago. Oh, holy cow. Yeah. Yeah, good time goes fast. That's amazing since you're only 25 Oh, I thank you. I paid you so much money to say that beforehand I Use smooth talk of you. I pride myself in my smoothality. Anyway So we wanted to talk about this this thing that you're doing now. It's called Bridging the VO gap Which I mean, is that like something knowledge thing or is it a geographical thing? It's kind of both. Okay, so I'll tell you when it started because I actually have Tom test to thank I don't know, you know Tom test lovely guy And he was in fact my very first faff con. Oh my god. When was my first faff con? 2013 maybe I forget I was really naive. I was really, you know, not long in in my voice over career and Tom test came running over to me and faff con and said hey shell you do marketing at different countries I'm doing a breakout session. Why don't you just come in and just have a chat with people and tell them what you do? I'm like, yeah, sure. So I went in, you know Just being me and I just sat there and chatted to all these people for about 15 20 minutes. It might have been longer than that Just going through what I do every day and being British in the US. I am I don't get as many Auditions as people who are on US agents. I've got a lot of US agents, but I don't get that many British auditions They're few and far between I do a little bit of the pay-to-plays, but I'll go Obviously back then I did more But I find most of my own work I'm non-union and I find most of my own work through marketing and I market like a boss Like I really enjoy marketing. A lot of people don't I really enjoy it. So I literally just talked through how I marketed internationally and Everybody seemed to be like, oh my god, that's a thing like you can market outside the US Uh, I you know, a lot of people didn't even think about that So it's something that I've always done and when I started working at the voice actor studio here in Vegas as a coach and I Started teaching international marketing and marketing in general here and it just kind of I've been doing it for years And then I just suddenly thought well, you know, I go to all these conferences There's lots of voice-over people that can benefit from this, you know, we all want to increase our client base, right? So I thought well, why don't I just come up with a name that's you're not only bridging the distance But you're bridging that gap of knowledge between marketing in the country that you live in and also marketing Outside of the country that you live in because there are differences. Yeah. So yeah, you know, that's that's kind of how it came came About really no, I've done a lot of work all over the world And I think that's one of the great things about our business is that our marketplace because a lot of people like well Do I go to a local radio station like no your market place is Everywhere because we have the internet and I remember early on when I started doing it, you know online it was a lot of a lot of international work and my one of my biggest clients was in India and I was doing work in China and Finland and places like that I won't say where I got them from but You know that company has changed its spots since then But I did seem to get a lot of work from pray to place in in in Europe and various other places And it really wasn't a whole lot of marketing. It was generally, you know, just answering auditions and People will hire me because right, you know, we're we're better than everybody else But now because there's so much competition, I imagine that Seeing as you really enjoy Doing the marketing you've probably got some very interesting strategies for doing that. So Let me ask you this. Is there a difference between international marketing and marketing locally and you know here in the US and What is the difference? Yeah, I think I definitely think there is and I think the main difference is when you market outside your own country You may very well be marketing to countries that English isn't their first language number one That's the big one, right? I mean obviously Australia and Canada another place to the speak English But if you go outside of that, you know, there's a big difference of contacting production companies Or advertising agencies when the English is limited Even if they can speak English quite well into business, you know, you have to Make sure that your emails are a little simpler in the grammar that you use and also be aware of You know their culture There's a lot of different cultures ways of doing business in different cultures, you know You don't want to approach Let's say an Eastern European client in Russia the same way as you would contact somebody in the US because that's not You know, it's not the same language that you use, you know The Eastern Europeans don't want the what I call the fluffy email. I kind of use the word fluffy, you know Like oh, it was so nice to see your website and I really like this video that you did No, the Russian people they don't respond well to that once you've got to know them they do But for the most part, they just want to know who are you what you do? How much is going to cost and when can you do it, you know, they're a little bit more direct So it's just getting to know like the countries that you're approaching what their rates are how they do business Knowing when their holidays are knowing what times they work and the biggest one for me I think is if you're doing a lot of email marketing, which is what I do a lot of internationally is Knowing and getting the time difference, right?  It is yeah and it's something I run into all the time because I do work with with agencies in London and Recently I had one in Norway And I think it's like a nine-hour difference from here in California, right? And they're like well, you know, can you do it like at 6 a.m. And I'm like Bring coffee and I'll be fine What was really weird about it was doing this session Where the engineer could speak most could speak English very well, but everybody else was talking in Norwegian So you're you're like you read the line and you're you're hearing this jabbering in Norwegian in the background Yes, and we're not for like five minutes and then the guy says they want you to do it a little faster Yes, there's a lot of that so you have to be aware of that You know that goes on a lot special on my French clients do that So you do have to be aware that you might be doing live sessions at two o'clock in the morning You know, you have to be prepared that if you want to market internationally and get international clients That might be a thing you have to be okay with that There's a great website that I want to put you guys on to which will really help you kind of you know Have a look at different cultures and different business practices And it's called I'm gonna spell it because it's really weird Commissio is C O M M I S C E O dash global GLOBAL.com and it's a free business guide and it tells you everything different business cultures It even has I think a currency exchange on there I use XE.com, but it's a really really great place just to go and just find out a little bit about the country You're going to be marketing to it's a bit like there's a best analogy I can describe the differences When you have a piece of copy in front of you as a voice actor, you know, you ask yourself the question Who's your audience?  What's the message I want to get across and more importantly, how do you want some? How do you want them to feel when they hear your voice and it's exactly the same in marketing?  Do they want them to go? Oh God somebody else trying to get their voice in my business or is it, you know Oh, this is really interesting. Oh, okay. I like what they're saying, you know You just got to kind of be really real aware and the best advice I can give when you're when you're marketing in general Yes, you want to make it personal, but you want to go a bit deeper than that I spend a lot of time on research and I really really find out something that I'm very interested in in that client I'm interviewing them as well. I want to know whether I want to work with these people So I really do take my time and I'm very genuine I want to find out something genuine that I want to talk about So I always end my emails with an open question Something I've seen on their website or if I've looked up the creative director on LinkedIn and he has a hobby that I'm interested in It's really genuine I don't just like do the template of the email and take out two lines and put in something, you know Or I like that video, you know because it has to be genuine and that's what that's how I've had So you could rate on email marketing. So I'm just genuine. Yeah I it's always fun meeting people from other places and then and then you know, and then if you have some cultural literacy which clearly you do since you've lived in all these places and And that gives you cultural literacy, you know, and I and I you know I tend to know a lot about different cultures and stuff.  I use a couple of apps. I use that I translate Converse, which is really great They just come out with a new one. I translate voice three, which is really good So, you know little little tiny things like that really really make the difference Yeah, if you're just joining us here on voiceover body shop our guest tonight is Shelley Avellino and we're talking about international marketing because Crimes, there's a lot of countries out there And they all seem to they all seem to have broadcasting systems and the internet and they got to advertise their stuff And a lot of actually a lot of agencies in Europe Work for American companies Yeah, they do and you'll and you'll find that sort of thing which which is absolutely fascinating Of course this last one I did in Norway. They were saying, you know Can you do it in a southern accent and they paid and played me a scratch track of this Norwegian guy doing a southern accent? And I am like Norwegians should not try to do Which got a good laugh in the other end You know and and of course as you were saying, you know, don't use Google translate I might use it say how do you say hello and goodbye and things like that? But they they generally speak English, although some of them just not as good as others Yeah, most of them do and sometimes, you know, if um, if you get a website that's Predominantly in their language and there's no translate button and there's not a lot of English Then maybe, you know, that that will give you a clue about whether they work with a lot of British or US or Australian people So just be aware of that and you know, how they write back to you, you know Be Conscious of that, you know, if they write back and they're interested, okay, then fine reciprocating the same way It's just you know, it's like their conversation if they come back and they're kind of nice and chatty then you can be chatty back It's it's the same it's the same deal is when you market here If any of you out there who are watching the show live on Facebook or on our website And you'd like to ask Shelley a question, which I'm sure many of you do you can put it in our chat room either on Facebook or in our on our website and We'll be happy to answer that question. We'll present that to Shelly in our next segment. So stay tuned for that Where do you start looking for international clients? I mean, we we know who the big companies are here That's a big question. Where do you where do you start trying to find who's going to look for voice talent in various other places? Well for me, what's worked for me? Over the years is production companies are huge and I mean they're huge here, too But they kind of work a little bit like agents in the rest of the world Especially in Europe. So I contact predominantly advertising agencies and production agencies, especially production companies and Google is your friend, but not only Google Google in different countries Google.com.hk for Hong Kong.com.sg for Singapore DE for Germany You know, make sure you use a local search engine. Otherwise, you're just going to get your look, you know, your US Results come up and if you're not sure what the country's best search engine to use go to searchenginecolossus.com That's a great place to start and it'll give you lots of Local search engines that you may not know about and they will give slightly different results I also use a lot of directories, too. And directories are a great place to find listings of things Hotfrog.com.au for Australia is a really good one. I kind of like that KFTV is a good one. There's so many.  Yeah, yeah Once again, if you've got a question for Shelley throw it in our chat room right now because we really want to We want your participation to show and you know, especially those of you All over the world because we know there's people watching in Australia and New Zealand and You know in the canary because it's lunchtime over there. That's right. Yeah They're on the beach like drinking cocktails right now On a on a Monday. Well, it's probably tuesday there It's lunchtime. Yeah Tuesday five o'clock somewhere Um What do you have any interesting stories? You know, what's what's some of the weirdest stuff that you've come across in in working with some foreign foreign clients I think I told this a vio north This is one of the funny stories. So I was researching Um, there's actually I didn't tell this at vio north. I told a different one This one I was trying to contact get a get a contact with this guy In a production company in Bulgaria They did children's books and I was really into children's books at the time and Um, I really wanted to get on this company's roster. So I thought right I need to really kind of see what this this company is about. So I did lots of research I found the creative director on LinkedIn And I am facebook and I I looked at this guy and and realized right at the very bottom of his hobbies You're gonna know exactly what i'm going to say now because I just gave the game away earlier on That he also did glassblowing So I swear you not I kid you not so Really marked into me is opening up a dialogue to create a relationship Isn't it of course you're selling something or promoting something But initially your goal should be to start a conversation. So I thought right, okay I'm gonna Talk to him about glassblowing and we talked about glassblowing for about six months But then as soon as he had a british Job come up I did over 80 children's book for this guy.  I mean You know, that's great. Once again, our guest is shelly evalina. 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This is the latin lover narrator from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on the voice of our buddy shaw And we're back Yay, we're shelly avalino Shelly George you've been pretty quiet back there, but then again you're far away Well, I'm I'm keeping an eye on a lot of different windows at the same time making sure i'm not missing questions and And all that but um listening closely and enjoying the conversation Yeah, now you don't do any marketing any foreign marketing. Do you think you should? um, yeah, I mean I certainly have reasons to because as of course I don't Sadly don't speak any other languages, but english is spoken around the world and um, there's a lot more people I could be helping out there If they uh knew about me, so yeah, I mean I I think I'm at that point where there's only one me and Um, I've luckily this time of year. I'm as about as busy right now as I can handle but It would be a smart thing to do as the as the year winds down, you know And business starts to wane as it always does Just to come up with a campaign for more of an international audience now hitting australia new zealand england even japan and there's a lot of expats in china and A lot of americans and english and english speakers all over the world So it would be it would be a wise move. Yeah, interesting. Where would george? Where should george start their show? Oh my god, I mean the list is endless, but yeah, you're right.  I mean china Hong Kong japan like you said singapore There's that big voiceover community in all of those places, you know, india as we know to australia I mean, yeah, it's just a case of starting and seeing what's out there and just dipping your toe in the water And you'll be surprised at how many people out there will need help. Yeah I'm curious. I mean i've you know my experience with a lot of foreign clients is that they tend to not Pay as well as american clients And and I our friend remesh in the canary islands talks about how you know the farther north in europe You go the better they pay in the farther south you go the worst thing Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely a thing. I mean um usage and worldwide rates is a discussion that's been going to be Going on forever. I think and you know, there's a really great way to act there with gvaa and uh, maybe for the brain and all of that and Use fee dot tv is a great one. But when it comes to countries outside of those Yeah, it's it's pretty tough. Um, you've got to know that the country And the way that I find rates for the countries that I work in Is I actually talk to the local Voice actors that work in those countries because they're the ones that are going to know what the rates are Right who speak to production companies? They want to try and get rates off you first So you never really know what to go in in on unless you ask for budgets Which you should be doing but it's really tough and there's no real kind of hard and fast rule I think for a lot of countries in europe anyway You know, netherlands and switzerland tend to have a bit more money as do germany You go to poland and some of the eastern european countries not so much So you do have to know You know where you're going to start marketing if you don't want to work the rates of those countries if you're union And um, you're not doing any marketing because you're with an agent and you're in a big major city Then that's great, but you should still be marketing because we don't know where the history of agents are going to go So still market yourself. Um, but market countries that you know, we'll pay your rate So it's it's tough out there. You've got to kind of know your stuff before you start even picking up the You know google and searching So yeah, do you get approached by foreign companies? I mean i'm i'm always getting solicited by a chinese company here and then they offer these rates that are like Are you kidding me?  Um in hong kong they have a kind of like a um Groups that not really union so they don't have standard rates and stuff like that and they don't really do usage So it's it's it's completely different So india is the same well, they do have usage on some of their cable channel tv's stuff Um stars has an engine channel So it's it's just again knowing your audience knowing what's out there and doing a bit of research before you start marketing to know What their rates are and finding rates. I just go to the voice actors and I I uh I source talent to so um, I cast a lot of talent through sweet rush who I work with and so while i'm looking for talent International talent. I will gather Great sheets. So when I get approached by the certain country, I go. Oh, what's the standard that the voice actors are charging these days? Let's take a look and that gives me really good grounding To go in once again if you've got a question for shelly Throw in the chat room right now. We'd be glad to entertain it. George. We got some questions starting with the Mr. Dagoli out there in the desert Jack yes We do First one I see is from jack and he wrote in a little bit ago He says how do you deal with the cultural differences that affect how clients? approach business as an example How do you deal with uh, what for us is prolonged and drawn out price negotiation or Differences and what clients are willing to pay outside north america and western europe Yeah, I mean It's it's definitely tough, you know to navigate again. It's knowing what you're prepared to do work for You know, if you're not prepared to work for a certain rate, then you wouldn't probably go and look for work in poland You know, you'd have to be be sure that you're approaching a country that has the Money to pay the rates that you want to charge. So again, it's all about going to that Website that I mentioned earlier doing a bit of research on the country's economy See him, you know talking to production companies and seeing what their rates are Um, it is tough knowing the culture of different businesses too And this website is great. It gives you a little bit of an insight on how Different countries like to be approached. For instance, india Love to do everything over skype. They will just chat over skype. They won't use email Everything skype. Ta ta ta typing skype. They want to chat to you before you do a project China, Hong Kong and japan. They use whatsapp. They do business over whatsapp So it's just knowing how they like to be contacted even, you know, email is good But sometimes they don't like email. Sometimes they want something a little bit more instant So it's it's just knowing How that country likes to work and you know that by just doing research Did that answer his question? I think so maybe it did. Well, it's he's also asking, you know You know, how do you deal with what What is it prolonged and drawn out price negotiating for differences and what clients are willing to pay outside of North america and western europe, I mean How how how do you deal with that? I like you said you'd say no sometimes But do I do say no, but I do educate them too. You know, I educate them Yeah, I do educate them too as much as I as much as I can Um, you know, I point them to various, um rate cards that I use other rate cards But what you got to understand is these these some of these countries outside of north america They will not have the budget that the us has because their economy is different So if you are expecting the same rates as the us in certain countries, you're never going to get it No matter how much you negotiate. So that's about knowing your audience before you market So there's a lot of that out there. Um, but also the drawn out thing I nipped that in the bud right up front and I'll say this is my rate This is what I charge if I know that it's the country that will have like switzerland, for instance, they they're a pretty wealthy country and They like creativity and they usually have a good budget. So I have no problem going in with my rate I'll educate them about usage Um from north america in the uk point them in some directions if I can't get them But I'll usually be very standard up front is look, this is what we expect This is what I I charge as a full-time voice actor and I have like a template that I send out saying, you know This is how we do usage. Dada, but sometimes it's different and you you know, you you can't work with somebody sometimes No matter how much you educate them, but I educate as much as I can Try and bring those prices up, you know Right and you do it without insulting them. It's like, you know, this is this is the rate that we work with here I mean, can we meet in the middle somewhere or at least two three And I always want to be educated by them too. So I always say look, this is how we do it I'd love to know how you do it so we can educate each other You know, I cast talent I would love to, you know, because some of these production houses They might have talent that I can use so I want to know Their processes and their rates too because it's going to benefit me So it's like a two-way thing for me. I'm getting something out of it as well So they like they like that a lot knowing that I could possibly be getting talent from them So that kind of helps me absolutely There's one here from get freds voice george Yeah, he asks, uh, do you find the need to correct poorly translated scripts and it's so Yes That's a great question Yes, I get that a lot as you can imagine with uh, non-english speaking I do get scripts that are poorly written But you know what guys charge for it. I charge for it. It's an extra thing that I charge for Hey, you know, I really like the script. It's not written quite right grammar wise I actually offer a service to to do that for you because sometimes they and they literally jump on it Oh, gosh, yes, please could you do that? That would be great because they struggle with it You know, some companies will struggle with it. So I do as an extra add-on service Yeah, yeah, I I deal with that all the time especially say uh on auditions from from foreign foreign companies, uh And they send you these scripts and it's like Do they really understand what it is? They're trying to say here And well most of the time Yeah, who are they trying to communicate with? I mean those are relevant questions too Well, a lot of these companies sadly, you know, they may not have anybody that has good enough English So they'll just throw it into google translate and you can tell sometimes you can tell it's just been thrown in So I'll write politely back and say, you know, if it's an audition obviously I'm not going to charge I mean if it's something little I'll just correct as I go And if I can't get hold of the client because of the time difference, I usually just give them two little takes It's usually um plurals and you know Female or male, you know, they get that mixed up quite a lot So it's usually these little things but sometimes I have no clue what they're trying to say in that case I'll go, you know, I can't really make this out. You know, we need to you need some help here Absolutely. All right Got another one from laura schreiber How often does shelly recommend following up with international clients once they offered to add you to a roster? Does it vary by culture?  So yeah, I suppose it does change a little bit for most of my clients Around the world, you know, it's usually a three every three months Once I've after the initial follow-up of two weeks if I haven't heard from them once I'm on their roster I'll get back to them, you know, once a quarter sometimes more than that But I never ever get in touch with them unless I've actually got something genuine to say or to share You know, they still know that you're getting in touch to stay top of mind But I'll find an article that I think they would like or I'll go on their website and see what they've been up to on twitter You know, I make it really relevant and And I think that really helps but no that's not really that much difference by culture really Alrighty once again, if you got a question throw it in the chat room I got one texted to me because someone couldn't see how to get to the chat and uh The question is now in another window. So I got to go find it This is joseph and joseph asks Um, do you coach? That's the question view coach shelly I do I do I do coaching. Um, I do coaching through the voice actor studio website Um, uh the voice actor studio dot com Um over skype there or you can go to bridging the vo gap and you can schedule me there too Um, I do our sessions and you know, whatever you need. Yeah I do coach ha ha fantastic so By finishing up here What is the overwhelming theme that you would like to get across to people who are thinking I need to break out of you know Wherever it is. I am and really pursue the rest of the world Oh, that's a good one You know with any kind of marketing consistency is key. So when you're starting an adventure like this You know be realistic with yourself and just start small but do a little bit every day So my advice would be when you start to conquer because it's huge mountain It could be really scary to know where to start right so it might be something as simple as okay I'm going to pick One town in one country and you might even do it alphabetically but start Like that start slow and then literally start on your google searches or your other local search engines Get the companies that you want to contact and just slowly go through really researching and just do it do it slow And just you know, and I use email marketing a lot. That's my thing for international marketing Some people like to do In person if you've got the money and the travel points. Hello I like to do that too. When I went to Hong Kong. I did loads of marketing while I was there and it was great Some people like to use the phone and international it's not that pricey if you use skype You can add Money to skype and on your account and you can phone anywhere in the world But you have to remember you want to phone them on their time zone So but if you're really great at cold calling, why not? You know do what feels right for you, but just take it slow take one little chunk at a time Yeah, and yeah, do you I think the question is do you offer coaching in this particular marketing about international I do I offer international marketing coaching I offer general marketing coaching and I also do performance coaching too International and here.  I don't know What is that right? So There's there's lots of other little things that you need to think about when you're starting to market internationally Um And how to get paid some countries pay in 90 days some pay in two weeks some pay You know, there's all these little differences that you need to kind of Learn to know so I go through all of that kind of stuff too and it's you know, I coach beginners and veterans So it really doesn't matter, you know, everybody's got to start marketing somewhere or they continually marketing You always have to feed that pipe. You never stop. Otherwise, nothing's going to come out the other end. Yeah Yeah, I find it fascinating. I've never gotten stiffed by an international client. Me neither ever It's funny, right? They respect us amazing. They do. They do. They're pretty good Yeah, so if someone wants to get in touch with you about this, where would they go? Ah, you can find me at www jolt bridging the vo gap dot com or shelly avalena dot com you also find me on twitter at bridging vo gaps Uh, shelly avalena on instagram.  I know this one's slipping in under the wire I'm more question here This could be a quickie From focus locus. Are there any technical aspects to keeping it to keep in mind? When working with international clients, I know you've touched on, you know, india like skype for example Yeah, good question. Yeah, good question a lot of these clients that um, if you're working out to the country that you're in unless it's um Australia or the uk actually even the uk. Um, istn is not used very much because of the cost So a lot of companies will just use skype to do live recordings Um, so that they can just hear you a new record on your end ipdtl seems to be the preferred choice in the uk these days um You know, I mean it depends whether you have an ipdtl account, but it's it's a really great tool and you can use that There's so many streaming options source connect pro is a real love um in germany and netherlands and places like that. So It's kind of interesting. You know, they do have the different quirks um Yeah, did I answer that I guess yeah, they all have their own they have their own way that they like to work and yeah, yeah Yeah, and keep keep a list I've got a list and you know, sometimes they use their own software too Sometimes they'll send you a link and they'll have this software you've never heard of and you'll be like What's that and they'll just send you a link and it'll connect you and it's all good. So You know, I get that a lot too. Yeah, it's very good. Well, shelly always a pleasure to be anywhere near you Well, thank you dan you too. Uh looking forward to seeing you uh next week in uovo con and Yes, we're gonna have a great time at there, but thanks for being with us tonight and uh and imparting your knowledge Well, thank you for having me. I've been wanting to come on your show for years So I'm really glad I made it.  Yes, exactly Thank you guys. Thank you. All right. Shelly out of time, right? Yeah, I'm so glad we got shelly on. Thanks for doing it Kelly and I'm I'm not I'm not gonna see here at will will con nor you but I will I did get to see her at via north. So That ain't so bad. Yeah, that's good. All right. 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