Let's get going then. Welcome all to meeting is being recorded. That was new. Yeah. Oh, did everybody hear that I guess it was me. Yeah, I had to click it. Welcome all to the town of Wilson Development Review Board on Tuesday, June 8 2021. The first order of business is to open the meeting with a remote public meeting notice. I Pete Kelly as chair of the Wilson Development Review Board find that this public body is authorized to meet electronically without a physical location due to the state of emergency declared by Governor Scott and act 92 as a result of coven 19 pandemic. With the temporary amendments to the open meeting law, I confirmed that one public access is available by video conference and telephone through zoom, all members of the board in public can communicate in real time during this meeting through zoom planning staff will provide zoom instructions for public participation before the hearing. The hearings are open. Number two, the publicly noticed agenda including zoom web address and phone number agenda materials and zoom instructions are also provided on the town website, www dot town dot Wilson dot vt dot us click on public records and documents then agendas and number three, the public can alert us during meeting. If anyone has a problem with access during the meeting please use the raised hand feature or chat box in zoom or call Emily at<PHONE_NUMBER> extension three and leave a message. Number four, continuing the meeting if necessary, if zoom crashes or the public is unable to access this meeting. It will be continued to June 22 2021 all votes taken in this meeting that are not unanimous will be done by roll call and members of the law. Let's start the meeting by taking a roll call of attendance of the RV members participating in the meeting. Paul Christensen. Present. John Hemmelgarn. I'm here. Scott Riley. Present. David Saladino. Present. I'm the chair. I am present. Steve Lemberg and David Turner are not present. So we have five members of the DRP and attendance, which we need for for a quorum. I think Scott, you're going to recuse yourself from two applications tonight. And I'm recusing myself from the community bank. When those hearings are open, we will state as to respectively why we are recusing ourselves. Okay. Will we still have a quorum for those. Because Scott is not recusing himself for the community bank. Okay. Okay. So there'll be four present for four or five present for each application. Perfect. So that meets the quorum. Thank you for asking that. I was thinking that as well. Okay. So before we do the public forum, I'll turn it over to staff to give us a little primer on zoom. Yep. Thanks. I'll keep it brief. I think everyone on here's been on a zoom meeting with us before. Keep yourself on mute when it's not your turn to speak. Your video is optional. We'll be using screen share tonight. We'll be using chat box for technical questions. The chat is public record. I'm not seeing any telephone participants. So we won't go over that. You can use the chat or raise hand. If you would like to tell us that you'd like to speak. We will be using screen share tonight. You can optimize your screen view by clicking the view option section. Of your toolbar. You can also click the up arrow next to the microphone to use your cell phone or a home phone as your speaker and microphones. Again, use the chat. If you have a zoom technical questions. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Emily. Okay. Next up is the public forum. This is where we're going to be. We're going to be using the chat box. We're going to be using the chat box. We're going to be using the chat box. We're going to be using the chat box. We're going to be using the chat box. Okay. Next up is the public forum. This is we give an opportunity for anyone participating. Tonight and in this meeting. To make a comment. On anything that's not on. The agenda. So this is an opportunity to speak about items that are not on the agenda. Is there anyone in the audience that is interested in. And addressing the DRB at this time. Okay. Go ahead. Emily, any consideration yet given or discussion on. Back to in person meetings. Yes, we're working on that with town meeting TV. They are setting up an AV system in the town hall meeting room. So that when in person meeting, let's do resume. We can have an integrated zoom and in person experience. So public or board members could join in person or on their own. We're going to have a meeting room. So we're actually going to roll that out for the select board first. TVD. We might try it out with staff in the meeting room on June 22nd. Get the system set up and then welcome board members back into the meeting room. And lastly, the public. The exact dates are to be determined from the town manager. Sounds like you had that prepared for the expecting the question. It sounds like I did. Yeah. So we're going to have a meeting room. We're going to have a meeting room. We're going to have a meeting out from anyone. Any raised hands, Emily. No raised hands. No chats. Okay. Great. Okay. Now we're going to item two on the agenda, the public hearing. There's five items on the agenda. For the night. DP 21 dash 12. Gray birch. That's in a request to convert an existing commercial unit. That's in a request to convert a commercial unit. And then we have a car. A car dash 13. That's Adams real property. Requesting a discretionary permit for outdoor storage. Item number three is DP. 16 dash 05. Dot three community bank. Requesting a discretionary permit to reconfigure the drive through access. Item number four is DP. to that Snyder and Riley and it has to do with a discretionary permit to construct a multi-tenant commercial building of 26,000 square feet on lot C2 at Finney Crossing. So with that as an overview of what we have on our agenda tonight, let's dive right into it. First up is DP 21-12. Who is present for the applicant? Looks like Curtis. If you would unmute yourself and state your name and address for the record please. Curtis Truesdale, my business address is 147 Knight Lane in Williston. Great, welcome Curtis. Staff is next to give us an overview of the project. Yep, so this is a pre-application request to convert an existing commercial unit to residential at 149 Knight Lane. This is an existing multi-tenant mixed-use property. No interior or exterior modifications are proposed. The main reason pre-application is required is so they can get growth management allocation in March 2022. This property is a little under an acre. It has access on town roads. It's located in the Taft Corners Zoning District. It is not subject to design review or conservation commission review. Tonight, staff is recommending that you take testimony and close and approve this application with recommendations as provided. This property was created in 1994. The original site plan approval was 1997. No major modifications were made since then. Public works and fire memos are included and are standard memos about sewer allocation, signage, and key safe lockbox access from the fire department. No public comment letters were received at the time of mail-out, nor have we received anything to today. This is a mixed-use commercial building. Four units are commercial and there's one existing residential apartment. They're proposing to add a second residential unit. The unit already has the bathroom, kitchen, living areas, so no internal modifications are proposed. No outdoor sales or storage are proposed. The development pattern complies, noting that if the site were to be significantly redeveloped in the future, then the standards of this chapter would apply. This project, if it moves forward, would go to growth management in March 2022. The way allocation and density are done in Williston, half a dwelling unit equivalent is a one-bedroom or studio unit. A whole dwelling unit equivalent is two or more bedrooms. Because they're proposing a one-bedroom, this would only need half a unit of allocation, but allocation is awarded as whole units, so they would have the option in the future if they got allocation to propose a third studio unit or expand this unit to two bedrooms. Basically, they could have some flexibility in the future and not have to return to growth management. They will either need to score a minimum of 30 points or receive an exemption. They are eligible for an exemption because the parcel is less than 10 acres and no more than two units are requested. No changes to access are proposed. Vehicle parking complies as proposed. The discretionary permit must include specifications and site plan for bicycle storage. Basically, bicycle racks and trip facilities are not required. Density, similar to what I described above about the dwelling unit equivalent. Here, I note that the DRB must make a recommendation about minimum density. In this zoning district, minimum density is five dwelling units per acre, given that this is a modification to an existing development and not greenfield development or a significant redevelopment of the property. We're recommending that you use your power to correct nonconformities and allow this property to remain nonconforming in terms of residential density. For example, if it were to significantly redevelop, then would that minimum density apply but here adding one bedroom unit to a property allow that nonconformity to remain? But Emily, this is getting a less nonconforming though, right? By adding one more residential unit? In theory, yes. By adding one more residential unit because right now it's 0.82 acres with one unit, the net density is 7.5, the minimum density is five. So they would need a total of four units to meet the minimum density. Not subject to design review. If changes to outdoor lighting are proposed, those must be shown at discretionary permit and impact fees will be assessed at administrative permit. They're approximately $4,000 for a multi-useful unit. What follows is proposed recommendations and emotions. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Emily. So Curtis, if this is an opportunity for you to add anything that you feel is germane to your application and and also I would like to ask you if you have read the proposed terms or conditions of approval rather and if you have any concerns about any of them as written. I don't have any concerns at this time. How can I follow up with what Emily said? She was very, very clear. Really, it's a you know, it's a two-bedroom commercial space right now being rented and we're simply going to make one of those offices into a bedroom and the other into a living room area. I would bet our parking needs would actually decrease from having that as an office. We have 25 parking spaces right now, so we're really interested with parking. I think it's a pretty easy transfer over to a one-bedroom apartment and we're hoping that we can, you know, get the approval from you guys. Pretty simple. Great, thank you. I'm going to open it up to members of the DRB for questions. I don't, I don't guess I don't have any questions. This seems pretty cut and dried, but I would make the comment that, you know, when it comes to scoring, this is going to be a tough score. Emily, please share with us how extensive you've gone over the scoring system and the growth management process with the applicant. I don't believe I've talked about it with Curtis in great detail. I haven't taken the project and given it a rough estimate score, but I do note that it is eligible for an exemption because it's less than 10 acres. It might be able to make 30 points. Emily, I think when you and I discussed it initially, it was going to be just that 30 points. Yeah. Okay. And if not, we had briefly talked about hopefully the exemption. That would be, that would certainly be my, you know, my, my guess on how that would, you know, come out too. Right. They could get some points for offer housing choices, which is the category about different sizes of units and looking at owners versus renters. So there's opportunity for offer housing choices, neighborhood space, if they create a space for to foster neighborliness, like a little park for their property. Context and sustainable transportation. I think there is opportunity for this project to get close to 30 points and moving forward, we can talk with the applicant in detail before growth management. Does the exemption, the exemption happens at growth management or can it be a discussion for tonight? Through growth management. Unfortunately, it has a discussion that would have to happen at growth management.  And so there is no way to bypass that where we're locked into growth management. I believe so because the DRB would have to make a finding that this project cannot meet the 30 point minimum and can give out its exemption. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so Curtis, the takeaway, the takeaway here from this conversation is you're, you're aware of growth management become more aware of growth management and work with Emily and the rest of the staff at planning and zoning to, to understand what you can do to get the highest score possible because when the DRB, if, and, and I, and I really am, I really need to emphasize the word if, if you fail to meet the 30 point threshold and the avenue for you to get growth management would be an exemption, then the, the board looks at good faith effort to try to get as many points as you can. And you, you do have time to give some thought to this and work with staff. And so I, I offer this as an opportunity for you to, to think about that and when you actually submit your application, it's, it's, it's considered all the avenues that you have in front of you. It'd be Emily that I would primarily work with to look at some creative ways to either offer garden space or something like that to increase our points. Emily. All right. Excellent. Thank you very much, Pete, for that advice. You're, you're very welcome. DRB members. Any other questions? Members of the audience. Any questions? Okay. 722. We're going to close DP 21-12. Thank you, Curtis. Appreciate it. Okay. Next up. DP 21-13. Adams real property care of Jason Adams. Uh, Jason, welcome. If you would please introduce yourself and give your address for the record. Jason Adams and my work address is 207 Boyer Circle Unit 30 in Williston. Jason, are you the sole member of your team tonight at this representing your application? Looks like it. Okay, great. I just didn't want to exclude anybody that needed to give their name and address. Okay. Staff is next. Yep. So this is a request for a discretionary permit to establish a new outdoor storage area at 31 Adams Drive. This property is developed with three commercial industrial buildings and related appurtenances. It's an 8.3 acre property located in the industrial zoning district West. Given its minor nature, it did not go to the design, the hack for design review and was not subject to conservation commission review. Essentially, this has to go to the GRB because outdoor storage must be approved on a site plan. This area is currently parking. It will be fenced in with a six foot tall cedar stockade fence. Even though they are losing parking spaces, overall, there is enough existing parking on the site. I will note that the GRB formally looked at this tenancy when a wholesale bakery was proposed. That project did not move forward. So a new tenant is occupying this space. Public works and fire did not have any comment. No public comment letters were received. There's a picture of the fence. Excuse me. It's eight feet, not six feet. Off street parking and loading. The vehicular parking complex is proposed. The bicycle rack will need to be modified from the current proposal to basically an inverted U where the frame of the bike can be locked to the rack, not just the tire. And then what follows are findings of facts, conclusions of law with the bike rack note and a motion. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Emily. Jason, do you have an add to Emily's staff report? No. That was pretty straightforward. I wasn't even aware there was regulations on the bike rack. So that was an oversight on my part. I was hoping to get your comments. Are you okay with the location, which I proposed basically dead center in the building between the parking lot and the building? And then is it fine to just pour a little pad there and mount the bike rack to it? Do you want to answer that, Emily, or would you like me to? I'm pulling up the side plan. I think that sounds okay. I remember looking at the location. I have no issue with that. Yeah, that location is fine. I mean, it could also be located on one side or the other where it's closer to one of those walkways, but I think that location is fine. Emily, I'm not actually seeing the bike rack on the side plan, but I think the print is really small. Can you point me in the right direction here? Yeah, it's right here. Oh, oh my goodness. Oh, yeah. Oh, I see. I thought those were like, I thought it was an HH designation. There it is. All right. Yeah, that seems fine to me. Okay, I don't see, and none of the uses in the building, I don't think draw much of a much bike traffic. So I just put it in the center for future convenience, I guess. Yeah. Well, if you build it, they might come. Possibly. We'll be tough to get a long lumber on your bike though, but I'm sure it's been time. I'm not going to pick up my two gallons of paint over my paint pedal home. Yeah, a five gallon bucket, one in each hand. Come on. Yeah, exactly. Jason, do you have any concerns about any of the proposed conditions of approval? No. Okay, DRB members, any questions for Jason? No, no. Members of the audience, any questions? No chats and no raised hands. Okay. I can't believe Esther didn't show up to this one. I guess just a quick question, Jason, is the socket fence going, can you get into the storage area from the exterior, from Adam's Drive, or do you have to go from the inside to get to it? No, there'll be a gate in that, I'll call it a driveway on the side off of Adam's Drive. So you can drive in there, is that what you're asking? Is that where customers would go in, or is that where? Yeah, so yeah, the thought is people will drive in there, kind of load up their trucks, and then I think there'll be enough, because there's just going to be skids in the front part so they could probably kind of do a three to five point turnaround and get out of there too. So that's the idea. And there is also on the existing, on the side of that building, within the new outdoor storage area, there's a drive-in door into the suite, and I say man door, that's probably not correct, but a three foot wide door to go in. Mm-hmm, yeah. Is that a barn door type configuration? So it's on some type of track system? No, I think they were going to do a hinged like two swinging gates, I guess. Right. It'll stay open during the day. It'll just be walking right. Yeah, okay. Is this the guy that's currently set up at the intersection where rock saving is? No, it's a different guy. He's on the old stage road out of his house right now. Got it. Okay, any other questions? Any members of the audience with questions? Okay, we're going to close DP 21-13 at 7.29. Jason, thank you for coming, and you have a nice evening. Thank you as well. Thanks for your time. Okay, next up, we're going to open DP 16-05.3 at 7.30. This is a request for discretionary permit for an amendment at the community bank project. I'm going to recuse myself. The company that I work for, DEW Construction, was the general contractor on this project. Although we are not going to be involved on this change, should it be approved, I just feel it's appropriate to recuse myself. So I will hand things over to John Hemmelgarn to take the reins here. Great, thank you, Pete. So I guess I would ask who in the audience is here to represent this application? Dan Heil, I'm with the O'Leary Berksville Association. Great, can you state your address there for the record? Yep, it's a 13 corporate drive in S-Exjunction. Great, thank you. And is there anyone else? I don't believe so. Right, so Emily, are you doing this one as well? Take it away. Yep, so this is a request for discretionary permit to reconfigure that the vehicular access at the drive-through to improve traffic circulation and stacking queue at community bank. Community bank is building A2, located in phase two of Cottonwood Crossing Development. This property is 1.69 acres. It is a commercial use located in the mixed-use residential zoning district. It did not go through, this portion did not go through design review or conservation commission review. We're recommending that you take testimony in close and approve this application with findings, conclusions, and conditions as drafted. This received this discretionary permit in 2019. Over the winter, we issued a certificate of compliance. Public Works and Fire commented, but they had no specific comments. No public comment letters were received either at the time of mail-out or as of tonight. The proposed use is a bank, which is existing and is allowed. No changes to the setbacks are proposed or the structures are proposed. It's only the pavement and the curbing that are being modified. As you can see here, the before and after, primarily why this is being modified, going to the DRB, is because the three parking spaces in this island are being removed and that crosswalk is also being removed in order to create a wider turning radius and a place for more cars to line up to go through the drive-through. You will note that the crosswalks to the north and the south or from the top to the bottom here are still there. Those crosswalks are not changing, nor is the park and pathways next to the bank. Off-street parking complies as proposed. The applicant provided a shared parking calculation because they are removing those three parking spaces and also adding a second dumpster bay. Four parking spaces are going away from the overall development. They were able to find three parking spaces on Connerway Extension and those have been included in the share analysis for phase two, which includes the bank building and the multi-use building that's nearing its completion. The bicycle parking is not changing and complies as proposed. Maintenance, they're adding a second dumpster enclosure, which is in compliance with the standards. Landscaping, they are relocating one tree in that drive-through median and similarly with outdoor lighting, one light fixture is being relocated. What follows are findings, effects, conclusions of law and conditions as drafted with emotion. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Emily. Dan, next up is your opportunity to comment or add embellish anything that Emily just went over. Sure. She did a great job summing it up. As she mentioned, the proposal is to revive the community bank drive-through to improve traffic circulation for larger vehicles and increase the stacking queue for vehicles waiting in the drive-through. Drive-through and associated infrastructure for lot two has been constructed and the building is currently occupied by community bank. Drive-through is operational and it was designed to maximize the amount of onsite parking, which is why we previously had that parking island to the west. During COVID, community banks on influx of customers utilizing the drive-through and realized the need for additional vehicle stacking for customers in the drive-through. So to achieve this, community bank opted to remove the parking island adjacent to the drive-through, which provides an increased drive-through width as well as a wider entrance to because as you pull in, you're kind of doing a 180 coming into the drive-through and it allows for a better vehicle circulation to the drive-through and vehicle stacking. And as Emily also mentioned, we are also removing one parking space along the western boundary near the property line with Maple Tree Place to accommodate a larger dumpster pad. Both phase two and the overall development will still meet the required number of parking spaces as we are taking credit now for three parking spaces on the southwestern side of Connerway closer to Maple Tree Place. So those three parking spaces are now being taken credit in phase two. They were previously going to be reserved for a future phase, but we're going to allocate those to phase two now meeting the overall parking requirement for both phase two and overall development. And I took a look through the staff notes and I am okay with the conditions, but I think a few of the conditions may not apply to the drive-through amendment and the parking amendment, mainly conditions 12, 14 and 15. 12 pertains to sewer allocation. There's no change in sewer allocation for this drive-through revision. 14 pertains to signage and there's going to be no change to the previously approved master sign plan and 15 pertains to mechanical and utility connections. And there's no change to that as well. So I would just request that if the board feels it appropriate that those be removed. So noted, as you know, many specifications have what we call boilerplate. And I do think all of you say any proposed signage. So with no proposed signage it does become moved, but we will certainly discuss and decide whether we want to remove those or not. Sure. Any any questions from the board? I am curious about the the remaining sidewalks that are there. I mean it does seem like that that sidewalk terminates in the drive-through aisle that no longer has a crosswalk and so you have this kind of sidewalk to nowhere. Yeah. Did you consider ripping that out as well so you're not steering steering people into you know into the drive-through aisle? Sure. We could rip it out if someone from the bank wanted to go out there and have easy access to the drive-through. We thought it might be nice to keep it in. I mean I think most people are going to know that it is a drive-through. So we didn't see the harm for keeping it in, but we could rip it out as well. David, hold on just a second. And Mike, could you put the site plan up so that we can all see and make sure we're all talking about the same thing? Sorry, David. Yeah no that's good. I'm a visual person so. Yes. Is there I assume is there there's a tip down in the curb and tactile strips there and everything? Yeah there's a curb right there. Correct. I don't feel too strongly. I mean it does it might feel a little bit awkward just to have this sidewalk without that crosswalk in the pavement. I don't know how other board members feel about that, but that just stood out to me looking at the plan. I'd hate to take it out and then have that be the shortest route from the edge of that sidewalk to the parking lot and have it turn into a path. Because some of the people are going to get over to the 14 area. Yeah I can see that point. So yeah if the board would like that removed we're okay removing that. And I see that that that sidewalk has a different configuration these two plans. I assume the one on the right is as it was built. Correct that was as it was built. Correct. Any other board members have questions? Comments? Hearing none there I have one myself. The tree that's being relocated where is that currently? That is to the western part of the island that has three parking spaces right now so it's right adjacent to the drive through entrance right there. Oh I see and are you going to put a new one in or are you going to try to transplant that one? We would try to transplant that if it didn't survive we would be putting a new one in. Great it's new enough it might actually survive. Okay and the same with the light pole it's one that I can see there on the plan. So great correct yeah okay all right um I have no more questions uh anyone else on the board one last chance anybody oh I'm sorry I'm too quick with that Dave. Just just thinking through the sidewalk piece again it does feel like there may be a bit a liability by having those truncated domes the the ADA strip there and you know in the event that there is a you know a site and visual impaired person who comes up to that I think the expectation is that there's a safe crossing and then you know tactile strips on the other side of the road that you'll hit sure and they would obviously not know that and they may walk out I mean it's it's a one in a million thing but you know that that alone might just raise some liability concerns. Yeah no I could see that point so it would be a good idea to remove that yeah yeah I think so yeah I would certainly open you know interested in other board member's thoughts that's that's right with them. It seems a valid point David to me all right uh is there anybody in the audience that would like to comment on this uh this application? No chats and no raised hands. No chats no raised hands great uh so I'll give the board one last chance to speak up Dan thank you for your presentation um I will close this hearing at 742 and turn the range back over to Chairman Kelly. Thank you all. Thanks John appreciate it okay next up is DP09-01.22 Snyder FC commercial properties LLC and Riley properties LLC requested for a discretionary permit to construct a multi-tenant commercial building approximately 26,000 square feet on lot C2 3.08 acres in Finney crossing and Mr Riley you are recusing yourself from this as well as the master sign plan which will follow correct? You're muted Scott. You're muted. Yes I am yes I am recusing myself from both the site plan discretionary permit and the sign of plan review. I have a financial interest in the property. Great okay uh so who is here from the applicant? It looks like Chris Andy and Cleary is that is that the crew? That is the crew. All right Cleary if you would start please introduce yourself and your address. Uh Cleary Buckley with Smith Buckley architects 431 Pine Street Burlington Vermont 05401 Welcome uh Chris. Chris Snyder with Snyder FC commercial properties 4076 Shelburne Road suite 6 Shelburne. Thank you uh Andy. Andy Rowe, Lamarone Dickinson 14 Morris Drive Essex. Thank you uh staff is next. All right so this is a request for discretionary permit to construct a multi-tenant commercial building at Finney crossing along with parking, lighting, pedestrian facilities and other appurtenances. The applicant is proposing to provide common end of trip facilities, lockers and showers for working commute workers commuting to the site that will serve as for the proposed building as well as the attendance in existing building J. This property is a little over three acres it is currently vacant and a commercial use is proposed it is served by town and private roads located in the Taft Corners Zoning District. It was subject to design review by the hack not conservation commission review. Originally we're proposing that you take testimony and close tonight and approve a decision tonight. There are a couple changes that I and the applicant will go over that were made since the mail out so I want to remind the DRB that you have the option to continue this hearing um you are not um running on your deemed approval until you close the hearing in which case you would have 45 days after closing the hearing to write conditions of approval. Project history, this has three. If you could repeat that please that that was uh can you say that a little bit differently to make sure it's clear? Yes so um the DRB has the option to continue the hearing uh to request additional information or have more time to review the application and the changes proposed. Once you close a public hearing you have 45 days to issue that decision. So even if you close the hearing you don't have to render your conditions of approval tonight you could delay those as well. Thank you. Yep so this had pre-application review on April 13th. The hack comments are discussed further below and their recommendations are included as conditions. They reviewed the original application on May 18th and revised renderings on June 1st. Since then there's been an additional rendering that we will go over shortly. Public works and fire memos are included. DPW did not have comments and the fire department noted that their pre-app comments were satisfied. No comment letters from the public were received at the time of mail-out or up to today. What follows is a summary of the pre-app recommendations. I won't go over these in detail unless you want me to. I would like you to spend some time on these okay because we we spent a lot of time on this application and you know don't don't read them verbatim please but but give give a synopsis. Yep so the pre-app first recommendation 1a was about outdoor sales and storage. Outdoor sales and storage are very limited in this zoning district. The applicant is proposing kayaks that will be bolted to the wall. They are not going to be for sale merchandise. They will be physically mounted to the building. That's something for the DRB to consider. The DRB asked for renderings and photographs that show how Adirondack views will be used. The applicant notes that the patio area at the southwest corner of the building at the corner of Holland Lane and Williston Road will have westerly views to the Adirondacks. At pre-app the DRB asked that solid waste containers be screened by placing them in the structure they serve per 16.7 of the bylaw or to use an architectural extension of the building. Originally they were proposed at that southeast corner of Market Street in Holland where they would be caddy corner to the future urban park. The applicant relocated that structure further to the east however it is still a standalone building. Standard recommendations about interdepartmental memos. The hack recommendations which we can go over further below. They provided a shared parking study and a traffic study. The DRB added two specific recommendations. Number eight consider enhancing the corridor between Building E and Union Bank from an alleyway to an activated area. They have proposed landscaping and pedestrian scale ballard lighting. The sidewalk will provide a connection between the bike path and the parking area and will continue north to Market Street. Lastly the DRB said consider an upgraded pedestrian experience along Holland Lane through the use of enhanced landscaping hardscape public art that leads to a pocket park. So that southeast corner where the solid waste building was located has been enhanced with landscaping ornamental grasses densely spaced strubs between the parking lot and the sidewalk and there is some building mounted artwork proposed as well. Moving on to the project elements. This building is proposed to be retail. The primary tenant will be LLB. The other tenants for the two or three spaces are not specified at this time. The building meets the height and setback requirements. Here outdoor sales and storage is discussed. The bylaw says outdoor storage is prohibited in this zoning district. Outdoor sales will be limited to special events like a farmer's market or a sidewalk sale or sidewalk vendors. These are the kayaks that are being proposed. Given their permanent nature the DRB may want to consider whether these kayaks should be treated as signage or public art. The DRB may add a specific condition of approval related to this proposal. Development pattern. There are development standards related to dead walls and these are discussed further below. The property also meets the five of nine criteria for the Taft Corner Zoning District. These are five elements that are proposed over the entire Finney Crossing development. And lastly for this zoning district Adirondack views. They are showing how the park will accommodate some views to the west. We provided a standard condition of approval for access. The site will have vehicular access from Holland Lane and Market Street. Excuse me from Market Street only. And there is the multi-use path along Route 2. Each of the commercial tenants will have a sidewalk from the multi-use path to the tenant entryway. Parking we're also proposing a standard recommendation. Vehicular and bicycle parking complies as proposed. You can see a diagram that shows the different parking lots that are allotted to the different buildings and their share between them. And the table as follows. On-site infrastructure. This property served by municipal water and sewer. Solid waste disposal is handled internally. The applicant has provided a solid waste plan with trash and recycling receptacles. Interest first throughout the streets within the commercial portion of Finney Crossing. And this is what the proposed trash recycling container will look like. Maintenance this is related to solid waste management. So the DRB requested that trash and recycling be handled within the structure or as an architectural extension. The applicant responded by moving the location of the building. It's still a standalone structure. The siding will be painted fiber cement with asphalt shingles and the doors will be painted metal and with roll-up doors. The DRB should discuss the location style and materials of this building and may choose to add a condition of approval. Design review. The hack recommendations are included and there's a separate report with some photos. Since pre-application and during the design review after May 18th the applicant has made several revisions. Primarily reworking the entryway structure for the LLB and entrance at the corner of Holland Lane in Route 2. As well as adding red facade material and enhancing the cornice and creating pitch droops over the middle two tenancies for this building. The DRB should review the hack recommendations and decide if additional conditions are required. The hack also recommended additional windows on the most unadorned walls to ensure they are not defined as dead walls. The hack requested these windows be midway up the wall. If they're too high up they have an industrial feel similar to those very high windows along the healthy living loading dock. This was discussed again at the June 1st hack meeting. The applicant said that adding windows here would not work for the interior retail space where there would be merchandise racks going up the wall. Here's another picture of the south elevation where the hack recommended additional windows be proposed. Lastly the DRB should consider the pedestrian experience along the pathway between building E and Union Bank. The hack did not write a recommendation about this facade. The left side is the portion of the building that would face Williston Road so this would be if you were looking at it with Union Bank behind you and this is the north side to the left. As you can see there's no windows or doors proposed on this wall. It is a gray corrugated metal with a light gray painted fiber cement panel up top. Landscaping we're proposing a standard recommendation. They've provided a landscaping plan with landscape parking islands and a pocket park at the corner of Holland Lane. You can see that there's a curved sidewalk along here with some bench seating areas to enhance that southeastern corner of the intersection. Street trees a standard recommendation is also proposed. We'll discuss signage separately and impact fees. Any crossing is not subject to transportation impact fees in exchange for construction and separate road and they've provided that analysis that compares overall trips and finny crossing to the cost of construction. This is the revised elevation that was provided after the hack meeting on May 18th. Primarily the hack wanted to break up the boxy nature of the building, add some angles. They looked at some similar LLB buildings where there is a pitched roof and a porch-like structure at the front entryways. Here you can also see the red element that was added with a stronger cornice and pitched roofs. On Friday Chris sent me this elevation which shows a pitched roof at the LLB entrance but those wooden support beams are no longer proposed. As you can see the red portion of the building is continued. The hack also recommended that this element the red with the cornice be proposed on the north side as well. And what follows is next outdoor lighting which complies as proposed in this table and findings affect conclusions of law and conditions of approval with a motion. Thank you. Okay great thanks Emily for walking everybody through those details. Next up Chris, Andy and Clary it's your opportunity to add some insight on the changes that you've made and your thought on the proposed conditions of approval and the project as a whole. Perfect. Well thank you very much for your time and I appreciate the discussion and the review that we have gone through over the last two months. Although it seems small and minor there's been a lot of work and detail flushed out and unfortunately we well in a positive light we landed on a really good spot and so we're very happy with what we submitted on Monday morning. We unfortunately was if we had gotten there on Thursday it would have been better because you wouldn't have had that as part of your package but we're very happy and excited about the work that we've done in terms of the building elevations and also on the site plan for the property and so Emily I don't know if we could go to the site plan and I think it's important to know you know what has changed on the site plan and in general terms and then also we can talk a little bit more about building elevations after we do that. So Chris is this a change from preliminary or a change from our packet? So from preliminary in terms of the site plan. Okay that's what I thought. I understand the elevation change but yeah clarify. In elevation change there is one change and it's just removal of the posts on the corner but we can we'll get to the elevation change I don't know if we can look at the yeah so if you go one up there Emily. So this property you know we have worked through and previous application in our I guess it's the pre-app the trash was located on the northwest corner along Holland Lane and has been shifted to the northeast corner along Market Street and so I think that's a substantial change that you guys had requested and so we wanted to highlight that specific change which it is still accessible for the units for building E and also it will be used for building A as well. So this is planned and organized so that we have capacity for the those two you know the all of the tenants in building E and also in building A. The parking has been updated and revised in terms of just some flow and modifications and then also from pre-application we have completed a full landscaping plan that is you know I would say is complete and covers a lot of the areas which we have been discussing in particular the pathway between building E and Union Bank and so you know we went back and forth per the DRB to sort of say hey how do you improve that pathway and so I think what we've done there is created a very clean path that has some lighting in it some ballard lighting and that is pretty well lit compared to what you'd see in some other locations and then also added you know some landscaping along that edge of that entire area so excuse me so I think you know from a an item that the DRB had been discussing I think it's important to say hey you know we heard you and we're trying to acknowledge that path between the two buildings and creating an access. There's also going to continue to be access and you can stay on this same page but from the different building foot from the different entry points on building E out to the bike path along route two and in particular you'll notice that you know one of the things that is being presented tonight is that LL Bean is going to be the tenant of the most western portion of this building that was not known or described in our pre-application meeting and they are you know obviously based upon what they do and what they sell they're obviously motivated to have nice exterior look and and are going to be you know trying to maintain the outdoor aesthetic that I think we all want to and by having the patio connected to the bike path in such a you know it's not just a four-foot section it's a much larger section there and so I think it's creating even more connectivity and visually and physically to the bike path so I think we're we're very excited about you know the opportunity of them locating here at Finney Crossing and also helping trying to augment what they already do in terms of the outside in the visual that we have on the visual from I'm sorry from route two and Holland Lane. So from a site plan perspective those are really the big changes that had been discussed. There are probably some other minor modifications that we've made and maybe Andy do you want to talk about anything else that has been made on the overall site plan for this building E that that the DRB may be interested in? I think you covered it pretty well I guess one other item to note is as far as the landscaping plan goes you know there were some areas where the sidewalk was pulled back particularly on the north elevation in order to get some landscaping in instead of just having a walkway that's continuous between the curb line in the building those two areas along LO Bean the transition between the the larger portion of the building at the west and the smaller spaces at the east and then a couple of spaces to delineate the entrances to the other two smaller spaces as Emily's highlighting there. And Andy one other thing I forgot about is you know we have we are proposed we are planning to construct the end of trip facilities and it's it's going to be located kind of if you look at the landscape plan where the pavers word is just outside yep that's a it's in that corner and so there is what I think a great access point for you know not only for the tenants of this space but also utilizing it for other tenants as well so we're excited about having that being satisfying our requirement to have the end of trip facilities we're excited to have that and so there will be an access point there and I think it's a good feature that we're going to be able to offer to current tenants and future tenants. In terms of anything else Andy? No I think you covered all the changes between pre-app and now as far as the site layout goes. Perfect then in terms of building elevations I think you know we have maybe we can go to the photo rendering there there we go. So this is the one that was this is the photo rendering that was provided on Monday morning we realized that the hack has not reviewed this specific elevation there is really one change associated with this between this and what was submitted on Thursday is that there were columns and a different roof structure over that entrance point and the I didn't understand the issue with the potential tenant but there is some competing stores in this world or in the United States that have more of that posted beam look and I presented it to him on Wednesday last Wednesday after the hack meeting and they raised those and asked us if we could remove those so we've come back with a revision and so what we're looking for is approval of this revised building elevation that has a slope roof that does carry around the corner and we think satisfies what the discussions had been with the hack about the rather than having just flat roofs across all of the three entry points that had been previously provided so I think what we're doing here is really you know still providing the slope roof versus a flat roof in that area. The other piece that I think is important is we did change the color and the roof line over the middle section building so what is now the red building you can see here's thank you Emily here's the original application you can see how there's flat roofs both on the that section and also on the middle section and then if we go to the current building elevations yep you can see it's drastically different one the color on the middle section but also the two roof sections that go over the two entry points so we're you know very happy with where we've landed and appreciate all the feedback it has been for I would say that that's probably the thing that we spent the most time on over the last 30 days was these entry canopies and surprising I know it's kind of surprising in my world but that is what takes us the longest the little details by that and this and you know the slope roofs were really requested by the hack and so that's why we also have made those modifications so in terms of the details of the other sheets the the next page I believe is the photo rendering um and this is a um drone view from uh basically above the pond from across the street so if you're at the pond and you go up in a drone and have a photo because this is one of the requirements or requests made by the drb and the hack was to have a view of the street section and because of the width of it it was extremely hard to create one photo and so by doing this drone view we were able to accomplish that um to show you sort of how the buildings relate to each other uh along the route to corridor up finny crossing uh this is this is very very helpful chris good good it it uh i've never done that before so it's an interesting perspective uh and uh it's pretty pretty cool so um but it does show you how healthy living and how these other buildings play you know interact with each other and um i think it's very helpful uh in that perspective as well um in terms of other elevations emily do we want to walk through those so this is the parking lot the north elevation uh on the upper section um and then the uh south elevation on the lower view and you see that we are still showing some potential art um design and lobeen is actually working on um providing a art um piece that would go in that area uh but it's going to be symbolic of mountains uh somewhat like what we've got already uh but we do not have the specific drawing yet um and you know i would think that if we wanted to we could potentially uh come back for a uh an amendment approval for the specific art that would be placed in this location and also if we scroll to the next page on holland along holland lane there's another section of mountains as well um so our goal tonight is you know those are the elevations of and we can certainly scroll through all the others but i know that everybody's seen them um and uh you know we're excited to you know uh listen and answer any questions um and uh you know our goal would be to figure out how to um have an approval um for this project so uh we could potentially start this project in July um of this year okay emily if you would please bring the uh hack proposed conditions of approval up i'd like to just take a peek at those as a group um i will also pull up their design review addendum just to give a little overview mainly the hack was concerned about everything being vertical and a horizontal roof line and wanting to break up the roof these are some photos that they considered in their meeting uh they added consider an angled awning supported by wooden columns to bring more depend dimension and a porch roof effect um those are the two photos that they wanted to bring to your attention add a non vertical element angle or sloped roof to break up the flat roof consider smaller elevated windows they should be approximately halfway up the wall or embedded in the stone portion of the wall uh to bring a human scale and avoid an industrial feel as shown consider an angled awning support by wooden columns to bring more dimension and a porch roof effect um the landscaping and lighting comply as proposed for the pathway between building e and union bank consider a cornice or molding that can plot that compliments union bank consider other materials um and then um june 1st they added continue the cornice and red elements on the north elevation okay uh so i think uh the applicant has uh incorporated and satisfied a uh b we will let's spring back and talk about that i don't want to i don't want to get into a conversation until i've gone through all of the hack recommendations uh see um we've talked about that we understand about the branding uh d is uh has been satisfied and e if i understand it correctly has been satisfied as well with these changes so we're really so we're really talking about b as in boy um and chris and team what is your position on the hacks desire to have those uh windows on what they consider to be a dead wall so uh both so on the north elevation uh that uh where they had you know drawn some windows in that is there there's some challenges on that elevation one is the end of trip facilities are located on the left left hand i over the door and uh and on the right hand door is the service room electrical and mechanical service room for the entire building is located there and so you can add windows but it's going to be looking at nothing um and we also in particular on the right hand side we've identified this and have an extensive landscaping plan to the right of that double door and so if we looked at the landscape plan on that side um you would see that um yeah keep going oh yeah yeah you could keep going oops maybe it's not on this one but you can see how yeah i mean this this isn't the true landscaping uh so today you know if we go and look at the actual landscaping plan i think it's even more detailed than what is there okay so in summary what you're saying is the windows will not add any light because of where they fall within the floor plan and in addition to that the landscaping is already providing some type of architectural element to that side that's correct for summary that that's our summary on that north elevation and on the south elevation we believe you know and in and the holland lane where they marked that up um as well uh we feel like there's a lot of stuff going on and we understand that there um one we're landscaping two we're providing art along the building in different sections and then to incorporate even more um uh windows along that wall don't seem to make a whole lot of sense so where emily's pointing out here you can see where this landscaping plan is incorporating you know a substantial amount of uh uh landscaping there there is a double door to the left of that tree um and then the end of trip facility is actually coming off the eastern side of the wall so that's yeah and so the door will be in uh kind of yeah to the not to the front it's actually on the side um of the building yep so that's where the door entrance would be for that so we feel like you know those things have uh you know certainly we understand the dead wall components but at the same time we think that those things do minimize where we're at there and then along holland and along the southern walls of the building we're doing uh trees landscaping we're doing uh artwork uh we are breaking up the building and I think the overall sentiment that we got from the hack was hey go figure out these roof sections go figure out sloped roofs and go make that uh go go get that done and if you can get that done then you know that is really creating a different uh streetscape um than what was previously uh submitted so uh we appreciate you know it seemed like they appreciated all the work on the uh roof sections and so therefore they also didn't feel as strong about adding windows um am I correct in that sort of response Andy? Yeah and I guess I would just point out that I I think um the hack was looking for those windows uh not to break up a dead wall as it's defined by the bylaw but the the discussion you know started out um is kind of adding some windows to give it more of a pedestrian feel and that was one of the things that they were looking for in combination with the sloped roof in order to to just kind of draw the feel of the building down a little bit and and make it a little bit more pedestrian scale um I think the what's on the screen now with um well even with the double doors even though they're blank I'm not sure is either of those areas meet the definition of a dead wall because they don't exceed 30 feet um in length without an architectural change but counting the uh the proposed artwork is an architectural change. Okay good thank you understand where you stand. Pete the one thing I'll note that the hack um didn't discuss was the one wall that faces Union Bank so this would be on that pedestrian pathway. Yeah it's a pretty blank wall on the Union Bank side too right if I recall. Now there's windows there are there not too many though right? Not too many I think ground level is just utility doors. Yeah I was just saying I remember seeing windows a minute ago from on the drone view and so I know they're on the upper upper left part of that bank facade when you're looking at it from the alleyway. And those windows will be I'm just talking out loud here but they would uh if they're on the second floor which they are on the second floor um you know they're going to be at let's call that bank ceilings probably 10 feet minimum plus another nine or 10 feet uh so they're you know they are they going to be totally blocked from that view uh you know they're not going to be totally blocked they're still going to get natural light in there you can even see it in this like you said in the drone view so. If I remember correctly that's a leased space area in that building. They have offices in that section some of their offices. Yeah but some of it is a leased space so. Yeah yeah there's there's I think there's a combination not did that really. No what's the distance between the buildings there? Andy you want to confirm that because I know we've gone back and forth on this a few times. A few I know what that means. We wanted to make sure we get it right. Well it's another way of saying repeatedly. Yeah there's a couple in the back there on the first floor. So it's a sidewalk that we're seeing there the one that's on on your current site plan. Andy you want to answer that question too or are we tearing that up? I know that word's discussion about that as well. No that sidewalk um does come around the uh the side of Union Bank into the two service doors and that would be extended to the bike path along Wilson Road and it's okay it's about 15 feet between buildings. You've got about five feet from Union Bank to the sidewalk five foot sidewalk and then a little more than five feet from the sidewalk to the east end of the uh the proposed building. And the landscaping that you're putting in there is between the sidewalk and um and the new building. Correct. And how tall is that is that landscaping? That's one thing I didn't see on the site plan it's just how tall any of those things get. I know the day lilies I have a good idea of how tall they'll get but Andy do we have do you have the yeah I'm just checking to see what the species are. CAs and HHs that's the reed grass. Yeah so the reed and the day lilies. The classes will get a little higher but you're right the the day lilies are you know a couple feet high the grasses might get three and a half feet high or so. Right that's pretty tall I guess where I'm going with this Pete is that you know that that wall does seem like it's the only wall I would have concerned with on this entire proposal that they've shown me um that it does it's the only one that does seem a little lifeless especially as we're trying to promote people walking through there they've the bollards are great the landscaping is a good idea and given the fact there are lower windows there and you know and this building goes back pretty much exactly as far as the as the bank building I just wonder whether some some more modulation of that of the siding materials there might be might be in order to enhance the the scale of the building and the pedestrian experience through there so you're talking about a variation of materials as opposed to windows I yes so we're and I know you're always hesitant to design do design work John rightfully so I understand that but I pose this question to to Chris and and Clary what can what can you do what would you be willing to do to make that elevation more interesting. Clary do you want to take that. I am for another art panel. Sorry um the building is um is about five feet off the property line so that wall does need to have a fire rating so um I and the interior program doesn't really want windows we could look at breaking it up with some different materials perhaps and I think that would be easy to do maybe maybe bringing some of the painted cement fiberboard down so that it wasn't just quite such a horizontal expression. It's um from my perspective um it's this is really a space that people are are going to be more passing through it's it's not a space that's visible from really most of the public domain that there may be people who will walk through it although um I guess I would question how how often that will really happen and I feel like the landscape will do um a lot to soften that experience but um but but I think I think it would be easy enough to create a little more modulation with some opaque materials. Okay great um I suspect that's what you will see in a revised condition of approval but I'm one person and this is a group decision but not looking to have you spend a whole bunch of money on a wall that to your point Cleary has the is is kind of the reality of how much use it's probably going to get in terms of foot traffic in that corridor but if we can make this area a little bit more interesting with a variation of materials and and not at cost of the project I think that's probably the right thing to do. I wonder if there's a solution you know of sort of a like a trellis or a some sort of applied screen that we could have um you know a climbing ivy or you know a plant species that would grow up um on that you know we're um we're under a really tight schedule to get um specifically l l bean um into the space and so if there were a way to come to you know a solution that we could agree upon that would sort of be defined in the conditions of approval um so that you know we wouldn't have to come back to the board that would be really helpful for this project. And and and clear I I think uh I certainly understand and I guess I I threw out there that this is a tight area there's not going to be a lot of sunlight and so putting a trellis with some plantings in there would you know I think we're already going to struggle with some of the grasses and some of the plants that are going to be down low. What I would propose is that you know and I'm not sure uh the DRV can allow the staff to review some type of architectural modulation or um adjustments to um the eastern side um and I and I'm almost wondering if it's even just a change of color uh along that side elevation that might be able to be approved by the staff um rather than having to come back to the DRV like Cleary said so that would be something that we would we would ask that the DRV consider. Recognized what you just said uh from my perspective I'm one one person one vote this is this is not an issue that's going to hold up approval um and I would have personally have no problem with delegation but I think that collectively delegating it to staff but uh collectively we can we can do a little better but uh but I I'm not I'm not suggesting at all that this be um a showstopper. Okay thank you. Right I would agree with what Pete said. I do know that you have a very talented landscape firm helping you out on this assuming that the name on the on the plans is accurate um so uh you know they're they're very good and they can they can help find out I I thought the idea of a trawler if you can find something that would grow on there is is is a perfectly legitimate option yeah I think landscaping is another thing you can do to help to to change that I'm just looking for something at that human scale level that first five or six feet off the ground to kind of make it more interesting as you walk through there. Okay um you know one thing we didn't talk about here is was the whole idea of the kayaks and I just want to go on the record as saying I don't think the kayaks are assigned and I don't think they're artwork I just think they're nice architecture. Thank you. Yeah I uh I 100% agree with that I think it's great I like to look and I don't think they're assigned and I don't think they're public already either. Pete I'd also like to comment on the the other portion of the the dead wall discussion we had to begin with is that um I just wanted to let Chris and Cleary speak first but I think there's some real value to having some respite this is a very busy facade there's a lot going on here and to have some spaces in between the green and the red for example that are are a little quieter um have some nice landscaping in front of them I think actually enhances this this design um and that the windows would actually make it a little more uh frenetic so I I have no issues with what's been proposed there. Thank you John. Chris and team any thing further before I turn it over to the DRB for further questions? No I think I'm good Cleary you have anything else? Just consistent with what John just said uh you know the transition between the the lower uh stone veneer and the the upper horizontal um kind of wood look siding happens at 11 feet off the ground so that the windows that have been shown breaking that line um are really above everybody's head they I don't think that they add anything in the range of a human scale and um I also know that um from talking with L.O.B. and looking at their design standards that they they specifically do do not like things breaking that line that that's kind of um a design um motif that they've arrived at that they try not to break that in that way. Okay thank you uh anything else from? Yeah I think the only other thing is you know I think it's it's great that we're able to announce that L.O.B. is coming to Williston and that this is a uh big move for them um it's a big move for Williston uh it's a great opportunity for Finney Crossing and uh I think you know tied to you know our local uh businesses of healthy living to the west uh there's a national tenant moving in um Xfinity is going to be moving into the west of healthy living and then Felino's um pizza is going to be moving into the restaurant space on the far western end of uh uh Building J. So all of these things are happening um I have to say even during COVID times we've been busy in working on all these uh opportunities and uh we're excited to have a really strong tenant uh who is going to take a uh you know a primary spot at Finney Crossing and uh I think it's a testament to all the things in all the hearings that we've all been through uh over the last 20 years um that a company like L.O.B. is looking at this is saying hey this is a great spot for us and we want to come here and we want to come here for a long time. Chris will that will the store in Burlington stay open do you know? They are relocating to this store. Wow so interesting. Okay uh thank you Chris and DRP members uh this is your opportunity to ask questions please if you have any more. Just a couple Pete um so the the trash building or maybe that's not the right term but um I'm not sure what you call that but uh thank you for moving that I think that's a great improvement uh by relocating it um the so there's again I asked this question before in a different piece but how tall is the landscaping behind that because now that's going to the back of that is now right up against um the the street on the other side is that right? That's correct it's a long market street um and I think if we look at the landscape plan we can see what that looks like. Right I didn't know if that was a you know a two foot bed of low bushes or you know six feet of of a flowering shrub or something my Latin is not too good these days. So that's DL whatever those are and then there's some street trees along there as well so there's going to be two street trees there's a hydrant in the middle of them and some DLs they're dwarf um dwarf honeysuckles and I don't know how big a dwarf honeysuckle is there's a problem and well it's in a full honeysuckle right anyway I think you know the building it's I mean it's still a trash building but I think you know pushing it back from the road putting the trees and the landscaping in front of it I think I'm okay with that so I just you know I wonder out loud whether running extending that hedge around the corner makes any sense or not to kind of put the same screen on that side of the building just just a wondering that out loud kind of a thing. The dwarf honeysuckle grows to be three to four inches tall and and wide. Three to four inches tall. I mean sorry three to four and three to four feet. All right very different that's a different thing that's a different story yeah good that's very dwarf okay um and in the I noticed in the park up at the corner um did a little feel there I couldn't tell my plans um I see that okay so that's a that's a little mound in the middle it's a little raised area not a little pond I couldn't tell what the numbers were whether that those contours are going up or down so okay good I'd like the hill better than a water collection. Yes spot there so all right um and I think my last question here well second last the art and the graphics I like the idea of potentially coming back to to have us look at that um but what is the concept of that the graphics on the wall is that what's the material it's going to be applied to is it like a vinyl applique or is it a metal pieces I know what is what are people thinking there. So we've actually had that discussion with the alabine and they've seen it in two different forms and we haven't finalized with them it's either going to be a solid um uh like it's it's almost like a solid vinyl but like rigid it's not like a azac material that bends or moves uh so they've seen they've talked about that um and then also talked about court and steel. Okay all right well it'll be interesting to see what what they do there I like I like the concept that I see um my last question is is on the porch and I know you'd said you know alabine didn't like that uh that that a configuration with the heavy wooden posts yet the photos which I was perfectly good with until I saw the photos it's that Emily or somebody flashed up on the screen that had heavy timber posts and they'll albean right there and I'm like what's up with that so that that is where I made a uh estimation that they were well actually during the hack meeting Emily pulled up those rent those elevations those photos and I said sure we can follow what they want to do yeah those right there and then so that's why we went that direction and I assumed that it was going to be fine well those buildings are about our number of years old and they have a new prototype in their new prototype is no wooden posts um in in these scenarios because what they there's there's really two or three issues um a competitor of theirs this is kind of the biggest one does it all over and they don't want to have a representative of their competitors entry points okay that's number one number two is they actually have a problem with birds uh nesting in the roof structure and uh leaving uh all you know their droppings all over the place in terms of the entrance and then number three is they end up having to paint the wood posts because they weather unequally uh so the bottom weather's you know gets darker sooner than the upper sections and uh then people complain that there's not a consistent look and so in the end they they paint slash stain them to a gray color and so they said we've just gotten over doing that so this is an older prototype that they are no longer I say okay good so that that was the only thing is as those flash by me I'm like saying wait a minute time out um so that's a tiny thing John because the yeah yeah the the drone footage if you will preceded the updated elevations uh the drone footage actually uh after we did get it modified you you did you did yeah so we had one with that previous and then if you go to the drone footage on the more recent one we were able to capture that oh you're right okay well I do I am sensitive to the to the branding uh requirements of individual um commercial clients so I think that I think that is something that should be should be respected um I guess Pete I think I think that's about well Pete the only question then that comes up is the fact that this is this is a quite a different thing from what the hack had suggested and we'll have to decide whether we just kind of decide over them or whether we want to try to solicit any any input from them yeah that's for discussion later right exactly okay uh other members of the DRB questions please not a question just a comment Andy Warhol would disagree with you that the kayaks are not art I would say that they're part of the entire building which in itself is a piece of art and the second item I like the I like the uh pseudo ski area uh uh castle style mountain that they've got there that first thing I looked at I thought that was uh just one of these futuristic ski area looks on that on that area no other question okay anybody else from the DRB with questions any questions from the audience and Emily if you could help me out with this please uh no chats and no raised hands before you close the hearing I will note that if you would like of a hack to provide comment on the wall facing union bank or the porch element they meet on June 15th it would have to be part of a continuance because it would be considering more public testimony and then the DRB would have availability on the June 22nd agenda the other option would be to approve it without it going to the hack and final plans could either be staff review which is normally done or the DRB could have a look at final plans before they get signed so two routes there okay three okay so I would uh open the floor to DRB members or comments on the two options Mr. Saladino are you on mute Dave I would love to hear John's thoughts on this I I think we should um I think we should uh close this hearing tonight agreed okay uh Dave Saladino you're good with that uh I'm good with that as well okay we have consensus on that okay um any other questions from the DRB any other final words from the applicant thank you very much for your time we appreciate it and we look forward to bringing this building to fruition and we'll see you as the next application comes in in two minutes yeah we're gonna be in a few weeks looking ahead to coming attractions um okay great thank you um so we're gonna close DP09-01.22 do I uh I close this Emily and then and then we have a separate hearing on the master sign plan correct correct okay all right so I'm gonna close DP09-01.22 at 849 uh next up is the same DP number but the master sign plan uh which is an amendment to the uh Finney crossing uh commercial master sign plan um I'm assuming um that it's just Chris and Andy on this one is that fair that's correct more Andy than Chris I'm sorry I said more Andy than Chris more more Andy than Chris yes yes you're on stage Andy okay well you've been we we've gotten your name and address previously so we'll bypass that formality uh and staff goes next yep this is a request to amend the Finney crossing master sign plan to include signs for building E which includes wall window um and portable signs two of the wall signs that are proposed are 45 square feet signs that are 24 square feet um can be approved administratively 45 square feet requires special findings from the development review board uh we are recommending approval with findings conditions and conclusions and conditions as drafted um overall there's about 26 000 square feet of building frontage used in the Finney crossing calculation uh limited to eight percent of the building elevation area and so the maximum sign area would be 2095 square feet they're proposing 2081 square feet of signage so just below um this table lists out all of the signs um for wall window and then some portable signs they're proposing two at building E um I will note that public art is included in the signage chapter however the DRB's review to public art is limited to um is this going to conflict with pedestrian or vehicular safety you know vision triangles if it's a sculpture that type of thing and making a finding that it is indeed art and not a corporate message like a logo that type of thing thank you okay thank you Emily uh Andy anything to add just that we've tried to learn a little bit uh and incorporate some window signage for each of the each of the tenants on both the north and the south side and also leave albeit not much a little bit of extra room in there for changes that may develop as we found with tenants as they come in to meet their specific sign needs so you know there is 14 square feet of excess not much but a little bit at least and we have allowed for a couple of portable signs as well for building E that similar to building J where the DRB asked that that it be built into the leases that the the terms and conditions of the bylaw be added in regards to the use of those portable signs bringing them in um you know maximum size things like that okay thank you Andy uh DRB members any questions well I used all lineup okay uh members of the audience any questions no more audience no more audience we're done we out last okay uh last chance for DRB members for any questions no okay we're going to close DP09-01.22 master sign plan at 853 thank you very much for coming we are now going to go into deliberative session thank you thank you very much appreciate you this meeting is being recorded okay we're back out of deliberations uh deliberative session this is the town of wilson development review board for tuesday june 8th 2021 uh first up is DP21-12 is their emotion as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 i paul christenston moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials including recommendations of the town staff and the advisory board required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of june 8th 2021 accept the recommendations for DP21-12 and authorizes application to move forward to the discretionary permit review thank you paul is there a second uh okay john hemmelgarn second seconded it is there any further discussion okay uh yay or nay paul yay john hemmelgarn yay scott riley yay david saladino yay uh and the chair is a yay of five and none of folks motion carries next up DP21-13 adam's real property is their emotion yeah i will uh make the motion and let's see here as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 i scott riley moved that the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of june 8th 2021 accept the findings of fact and conclusions of law for DP21-13 and approve this discretionary permit subject to the conditions of approval above this approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based thank you scott is there a second second uh paul seconds any further discussion okay yay or nay paul yay john yay scott okay yay uh chairs a yay uh five in favor non-opposed motion carries uh is there a motion for DP16-05.3 community bank as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 i david saladino moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted and all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of june 8th 2021 accept the findings of fact and conclusions of law for DP16-05.3 and approve this discretionary permit subject to the conditions of approval above this approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based thank you david is there a second i'll second it scott seconds it any further discussion no okay yay or nay uh paul yay john yay scott yay david yay uh and the chair abstains uh motion foreign favor none opposed motion carries application dp 09-01.22 is there a motion uh yes uh i will make a motion as authorized by WDB 6.6.3 i john hemmelgarn moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of june 8th 2021 accept the findings of fact and conclusions of law for DP09-01.22 and approve this discretionary permit subject to the conditions of approval above this approval authorizes the applicant to file final plans obtaining approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based we are going to make a couple of modifications to the proposed conditions specifically uh condition 3b is to be struck in its entirety condition 3c will be modified to read consider an angled awning to bring more dimension and a porch roof effect and the rest of what was proposed there will be struck uh and condition 3e we will strike the parenthetical comment complies as proposed in june 3rd rendering the rest will remain as proposed and we are going to add a condition number 22 to read provide a change of color texture material or building applied landscaping on the lower four to eight feet of the east facade facing union bank thank you john is there a second second paul seconds it uh any further discussion no uh yay or nay paul yay john yay uh scott you abstain correct correct uh day saladino yay uh in the chair is a yay uh four in favor none opposed one abstention motion carries uh is there a motion for dp zero nine dash zero one dot 22 master sign plan for the snider fc commercial properties llc and riley properties llc project yes um i will make motion on that item as authorized by wdb 6.6.3 hi john hemmelgarn moved at the wilson development review board having reviewed the application submitted in all accompanying materials including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the wilson development bylaw and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of april 13th that's not correct at the public hearing of june 8 2021 except the findings of fact in conclusion of law of dp uh zero nine day zero one point two two and approved this discretionary permit for a master sign plan subject to the conditions of approval above this approval authorizes the applicant to submit final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek administrative sign permits which must proceed in strict conformance with the plans on which this approval is based thank you john is there a second i'll second Dave second set any further discussion uh can somebody make sure i got that uh the dp number correct you did yeah all right thank you okay any additional comments discussion okay hearing none um yay or nay paul yay john yay that's got you abstained correct correct uh david selenino yay uh and the chair is a yay uh foreign favor none opposed one abstention motion carries next up is uh the meeting minutes if i can find them up there they are okay is there a motion to approve the minutes of may 11th 2021 i'll make a motion to approve the minutes um of may 11th 2021 thank you uh is there a second second uh i'll give that that was a tie goes to the runner david selenino second set um any further discussion no um indicate yay or nay please uh paul yay yay john yay scott okay david okay uh the chair is a yay uh five in favor none opposed minutes are approved as written uh is there any other business for tonight no nice job by the staff again tonight agreed yeah Emily i'm the support team thank you all right is there a motion to adjourn just one quick request i guess as you think about transitioning back into the um into into in person meeting it would be i think we've all come to rely on you Emily kind of walking through things on the screen and i'm wondering if we're thinking about having a projector up in the screen to do to kind of mimic the same thing right there won't be a projector there will be a tv screen um two of them one pointed towards the drb and one that's pointed towards the audience that we should be able to use screen share on and then if a video participant is talking they would show up on that screen as well yeah that's great Emily would there is there anything that would prevent me from bringing my laptop and uh signing in without a microphone and looking at my screen sitting there yeah you could bring in your laptop and just keep your video and microphone off because there would be a microphone in front of you right um that's hooked into the av system is there is there enough of a is there enough wi-fi power uh pipe uh for all of us to do that um that may be something you might want to look into we need to turn for that i would i would think so if your idea was off and your sound is off and you're just like watching is there is there i mean is there wi-fi there that we can all sign into yep there's public wi-fi okay and the town's internet connection is really strong the other option too would be making the physical documents available so you could have them um downloaded we're just looking at them off the website as opposed to being on the zoom bonnie's got it exactly right it's the it's the video that's the bandwidth hog and so if you turn your video off and it's not going to be a problem scott yeah right i mean what i find really handy is when you know when andy's talking tonight and is sitting there highlighting the the dumpster location or whatever absolutely that's that's really important yeah really helpful 100 of gray that was very handy i mean and it's especially handy if you've got people on anywhere but also on the board that that don't read plans as well um i mean we're lucky that the four of us or at least four out of the five of us are um read plans all the time and paul you seem to read plans extremely well as well so um you know that that's an advantage that this board has landsat yeah you do very well great um any other discussion new business no okay there was a motion to adjourn uh was uh made by paul uh is there a second second john second set any discussion do all those in favor so hi hi hi okay thank you everyone have a good evening everyone thanks have a good evening we got a lot done in a short period of time with yeah with really thorough discussion so this was good job right for the record pete i projected it between nine thirty and ten o'clock we'd finish to my wedding beforehand there we go yeah


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