I'm Linda Krillin. I'm Linda Krillin and welcome to all things LGBTQ. This is, what is, oh yeah, this is May 19th. We're taping today in Montpellier-Vermont, which is unseated Indigenous land. So, Anne. Yes, I have some headlines and I'm ready with them. They are as follows. News from Taiwan. Largely good news. The president celebrates Taiwan same-sex marriage legislation anniversary. LGBT groups launch petition to allow cross-national same-sex marriage and I have a picture now of the petitioners who are demonstrating to expand the rights that Taiwan already has granted its citizens. Finally about Taiwan, the LGBTQ survey that was conducted shows that improved interpersonal relationships exist at work for Taiwanese LGBTQ people. That's very good news. Other news. The court orders the release of jailed LGBT Ugandans after coronavirus charges dropped and this is the end of a long story or maybe part of an ongoing story. I'll show you a clip of that. There are 23 men and women cowering on the forecourt of a shelter in Uganda. They're young and homeless and some are sick.  These pictures obtained by Sky News show the mayor of a municipality near the capital Kampala, beating shelter residents with a four-foot cane. And he and his officials taunt and interrogate those trembling before them. We've obscured the identity of the shelter's occupants, something the authorities have been determined to reveal. However, the official explanation for this raid doesn't mention homosexuality. Instead, the shelter manager and residents are accused of spreading the coronavirus and the police bind their hands and tie them together with rope and force march them to the municipal police station. 19 people from the shelter were charged by police and imprisoned and they've been cut off from the outside world. Lawyers haven't been permitted a single visit in the past five weeks. Patricia Camira will lead their defense. Like I said, it was a trumped up charge doing an act that is likely to spread infection of disease. These are people who were found in a shelter, in a home, a place that they take us home. For me, I still believe that there was no violation at all of any of the rules. Uganda's longtime leader, Uwari Masevani, casts himself as a man's man, doing press-ups in the presidential office during the country's lockdown.  Same-sex relationships are strictly illegal. Still, the United Nations Special Rapporteur told me Masevani's administration should release the 19 defendants. I think it would be important that there is an immediate consideration of the release of these persons and certainly their access to lawyers. In response, Campala's police spokesman told us the incident wasn't a raid. It was a community initiative targeting improper social distancing. The mayor declined to give us a comment. Lawyers for the defendants continue to seek their release. John Sparks, Sky News. Anti-LGBT violence and discrimination remain high, an EU report says. LGBTQ people have become the new scapegoats for the coronavirus. That's another story. A man arrested in the notorious 1980s killing of a gay American in Australia. And I have some pictures to show you now. The first is of the victim who was thrown off a cliff in 1988 as part of a string of anti-gay murders. His name was Steve Johnson. No, his name was Scott Johnson. And his brother, so I have a picture of Scott Johnson. And I now have a picture of his brother, Steve Johnson, who is sitting in the location where his brother was shoved off the cliff. He's pursued this case for years. The crime occurred in 1988. The police said it was a suicide. He didn't believe it for a minute. So several appeals occurred. And finally, the police in New South Wales have reviewed the deaths not only of Scott Johnson, but of 88 other men. Between 1976 and 2000, and the police found that 20 were linked to anti-gay bias. So finally, someone has been charged in this murder of Scott Johnson. And that is 49-year-old Scott Witt. The police didn't release the name, but journalists found out about it. So there's that story. To continue, one third of trans-Columbians have undergone conversion therapy, a survey finds. In better news, Albanian psychologists have banned so-called conversion therapy. Germany passes legislation banning conversion therapy for minors.   Same-sex marriage will be legal in Costa Rica on May 26th. And to conclude my headlines, Delhi High Court dismisses plea seeking financial aid to sex workers in the LGBT community during lockdown. Iraqi politicians call for expulsions after the raising of the rainbow flag on certain embassies in honor of the international day against homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, and so forth. Finally, the troublemaker in Morocco, who was the Instagram influencer, has apologized for all the trouble she calls there. And remember, I told you about it last time, she outed the gay men in Morocco and it was a very misguided effort to raise awareness. So those are my headlines. Let's move on now to Keith. All right. So following up on some of the things that Anne had to say for international headlines, as a connection with some things happening here, FDA, they might have gotten a letter from 17 state attorney generals saying that it was time to lift the ban on men who have sex with men donating blood and plasma.   Of note, yes indeed, Vermont's attorney general T.J. Donovan is one of the people who signed onto this letter. T.J. did it without having to be prompted by the LGBTQIA alliance of Vermont or Vermont's community organizations. He did this entirely on his own because he knew it was the right thing to do. Related story, Canada has finally decided that they are going to build the memorial to the fruit machine and that's truly the language they were using, which is the equivalent of Vermont's lavender scare during the McCarthy era, where LGBTQ plus people were banned from serving in the military or in government positions. The reason it was called the fruit machine in Canada is they used this process where they would attach blood pressure cuffs, lie detectors, and then show people erotica and would measure your blood pressure and if you started perspiring, if your pupils dilated in relationship to seeing same sex erotica. How this equates to conversion therapy is that this was actually an early form of conversion therapy where they not only monitored your response but you were attached to electrodes. So you got an electric shock if you were responding and it was supposed to diminish those impulses. Then we're going to talk some about the legislature. The legislature is back in full force. They are meeting remotely. I spent most of today watching legislative hearings. They have decided that they have done all of the necessary COVID-19 emergency pieces of legislation. So now they're going back and looking at, okay, what were the priorities at the beginning of the session and can we start and can we start taking those bills up again? And some of the things they're looking at is Act 250 reform and in particular the Older Vermontris Act which I will talk about more in detail. What they've also decided is they're going to stay in session via the remote access until June then they're going to break June to the beginning of August which is primary season and there is a primary. You should be getting a card for mail-in ballots then they're coming back after the primary to finish their work. Part of that is they're only going to do the first three months of the next fiscal year then come back and look at what is the economic status before they move on from our conclusions. So with that we're going to turn it over to Linda. Well thank you. My first story is about Ian Northrup who is a friend of ours in New York City and also a co-host of GATE USA. She was part of a protest in which they used social distancing the police to justify a crackdown and break up an LGBT demonstration to stop Franklin Graham from continuing to have his hospital Samaritan Purse in Central Park in 72 has been isolating since the coronavirus started but she felt she had to come out for this event and protest to make it clear that allowing religious organizations that oppress LGBTQ people would not be tolerated. As we talked about last week Graham's organization would not let LGBTQ people volunteer and everyone who worked there had to sign a statement of faith. Everyone wore a mask and was socially distancing but the police still broke up the demonstration and gave Miss Northrup a summons to appear in court. We also learned that Reverend Billy who was reported on last week also received a summons and I have a picture of both of them together a picture so we'll move on from that. The U.S. Navy has granted a waiver allowing a transgender service member to serve in their preferred gender. This is the first waiver approved since Trump's military being went into effect. The name of the sailor was not available and my friend Gail suggested a show called Turdy Work which is on TruTV so I have a little clip and thank you Gail. Why couldn't this happen 30 years ago?  We've got a town office we've got a fire station in a town of 500 with only four paved roads that's pretty significant.   Since then it's grown into like 50 60 different products we got dingleberries with hairy balls the best sellers are the poopoo clocks a lot of people have great ideas and launch big companies mine just happens to be I have a wonderful wife I've been with for 14 years she basically stole my heart and then we fostered three little kids you guys are stuck with us my parents play with poop this is really embarrassing they've spent 10 years we're still struggling I'm just sick of always being broke I mean we've got a lot of stuff to fix and we're still playing with turds what are you gonna do let's just give it to the rest of the winner I'm gonna need all of you guys's help I believe in Turdy Works and I believe in this community you know anyone before that thought my stank they can think again you name it I'll give it for you I didn't like Mary I wouldn't put up with her this is my one shot to save turdy works that's awesome if she can pull it off it'll be awesome I never would have imagined anything could have come from just one turd it's like a girl's dream come true hey damn I got your box of hell packages you've lost it they squeeze right out of the butt you know like one of those some things oh I shouldn't have done that oh no I start my finger in my mouth and **** on it Lindy Sheldon 54 by director of Little Fires and Queer Fires dies of blood disorder she was known for indie films which include Hump Day and My Sister's Sister and David Carter best known as a Stonewall historian has died at 67 and a little shout out to our friend Carla Jay who has a um article in the LA Blade it's really good it's called The Lesbian Stonewall you can read the entire article at www Los Angeles Blade dot com category opinions so on that note I will move on to Anne may I um add to some of your stories thank you you're muted but I'll take that as permission um the thing about the end north of arrest is they um or the summons they were holding a press conference as we reported last time Samaritan's Purse had been driven out of Central Park through their activism largely and they were holding a press conference to confront the governor and the mayor and the hospitals and inquire how this deal with the devil happened to begin with they were socially distanced as you said um they were told to disperse and had arranged for media coverage long-distance media coverage of the press conference so they can they uh still had the press conference and got a summons that was had all the information wrong on it and my theory is that the police person she'd been liaison with the police for many actions and they liked her so they filled filled out the summons wrong um deliberate I mean I think it was a deliberate action to let her off the hook but I don't know if that happens in police maybe Keith can tell us but the other thing is Reverend Billy's got a summons Reverend Billy got a summons later and that was everything was filled out accurately so I don't know um and the other they're doing court in August so we'll see if they can even get to court at that point and they have some good lawyers so hopefully it'll be good and may I add about the Carla J article it describes the first lesbian dance in the village it's really a who we heard it delivered in June in New York so I second Linda's recommendation of that um but now I have my depressing stories and they uh let's focus for a little on LGBTQ people becoming the new scapegoats for the coronavirus uh let's go if we could just soul South Korea where um the outing of LGBTQ people has begun last weekend four months into the pandemic news outlets started publishing the identities of gay men who've tested positive for the virus you may recall South Korea was widely praised for its action on the coronavirus but then um and in April it reported zero cases but a second outbreak has occurred um and the the response to this outbreak was quickly diverted onto gay men when a Christian newspaper reported that the few dozen cases associated with nightclubs in the Itaewon which is the gay area of Seoul were gay venues and I have a picture now before you of a gay club in that area not all of those diagnosed were gay and not all of the nightclubs linked to new cases were gay venues but a slew of other news organizations started publishing the names addresses and workplaces of gay people who had tested positive further revelations that two of the men had been to a gay sauna followed unleashing a wave of hostility the incident echoes the anti-gay backlash that permeated the AIDS crisis and marks the latest in an emerging global trend during the COVID-19 epidemic the scapegoating of LGBTQ people should I go on to Hungary or go on to Keith I'll go on to Keith um you have the floor now I've ended my stories for the moment and and we thank you my great pleasure so talking a little bit about the Vermont legislature both the senate and the house had voted to allow remote access remote voting they're going back and working over looking at their priorities established at the beginning of the year now one of the pieces of legislation that has been of interest is h611 which was under discussion by house human services when COVID-19 essentially shut down the legislature h611 is the older vermonters act and what it's it looks at doing is going in and ensuring that social economic needs of vermont's aging community are met and that vermont's aging community is included in all of those statewide plans one of the conversations that was happening today is that COVID-19 showed how the seniors community had been left out of a lot of the emergency planning protocols that have been put in place one of the areas that was specifically discussed were adult daycares where there are actually there is actually an adult daycare in the central Vermont area that has indicated that they will not be reopening because this is taking such a financial toll on them that they no longer have the resources so part of the community committee discussion was how do we put in place mechanisms to ensure that that type of financial support is given to those essential organ those essential services so that when you get through the emergency those services are still in place now if you're interested in any piece of legislation if you go on the legislative site you can very easily just click live stream and actually see the committee hearing as is happening much the same as you're watching this show the other piece that I'm really going to be looking for and there's actually two one is the constitutional amendment for which is the equality of rights and what this does is it takes all of the protected classes that we've been putting into statute over the years and elevates them to the constitutional level so that if there is another hostile federal regime we know that our protections in Vermont are secure the other thing we're going to be looking for is if the legislature does pass a bill that would give the secretary of state the authority to authorize mail-in ballots for the upcoming election and the conflict between the Scott administration and the current secretary of state the Scott administration says they're kind of uncertain about how this would work they need more information before they would be comfortable making a decision that yes this is what we're going to do what the secretary of state's office is trying to say is the distribution about if we are or are not going to do that is a secondary conversation the first conversation is if we were to do this how would we do this and do we have all of the supportive protocols in place that we then could do it and what the secretary of state's office was saying was was that the notification going out to the town clerks the printing of ballots you know just the protocols of how to do it need to be put in place now so that we can then make the decision of okay is this what we want to do so with that said I'm going to turn it back over to Linda well hi again thanks Pete that was informative information um I would like to talk about bisexual author Samantha Irby who brings life into all her intersections she is a New York Times bestseller writer who recently released her book called wow no thank you and is the avic one of the advocates women of the year her blog is called bitch is gotta eat she writes about her intersectionality that is never dogmatic or academic as she says she's black fat bi has Crohn's disease and gets to the heart of our daily interactions with life's most irritating people and here's a picture of her um and um and um did anybody watch the fosters it was a show that was on um uh tv about a lesbian couple who were raising uh foster children um anyway there's been a spinoff from that show um and it's being streamed live on hulu and it's called good trouble starring Zuri Adele sharing cola Emma Hutton and Hayley Sehar and um it's heading for the third season I I would gonna start watching if I can and it features an Asian-American lesbian and a bisexual Latinx man so that should be really interesting I like the fosters it was a little hokey but I I kind of liked it um and Beckett Cipher son of Melissa Etheridge and Jane Cipher dies at 21 of opiate addiction David Crosby is the father of both her children um and sadly a transgender woman was brutally murdered in San Diego Barbershop I see an Antonio Barbershop hello Jay O'Regan was 20 and was getting ready to open up the store the shop was locked but was open to a man that said he would like to make an appointment he left for a minute and then returned back into the shop with a gun and a knife he forced the workers into the back of the shop video shows him choking O'Regan the other two women the other two workers managed to escape he then stabbed O'Regan to death Damien Campbell 42 has been arrested after he gave his real name when he made an appointment can you believe it David Carter best known for Stonewall historian as a Stonewall historian has died he was 67 San Francisco history museum plans are shelled amid the virus pandemic the San Francisco nonprofit is instead pivoting its efforts to creating a virtual museum and archival center using the vast holdings they've collected over the last three and a half decades and a shout out to little Richard uh rock and roll pioneer dies at 87 he was born in Macon Georgia and has been in poor health for the last few years his breakthrough single was 2d fruity and it was originally about anal sex but his manager however wouldn't publish the song unless he cleaned it out he was conflicted about his homosexuality but the end he seems to have come to terms with the fact that he was gay and my last story here is about the Washington blade political reporter chris johnson last week challenged White House press secretary Kaylee McEnney over her opposition to marriage equality and the administration's preparedness for the upcoming supreme court decision on whether title seven applies to sexual orientation and gender identity identity these were legitimate questions especially given the gravity of the upcoming high court ruling which could bar employment discrimination against LGBT workers in all 50 states he found himself after this though um to uh being trashed on uh twitter and other uh social media as they called him prissy lighten the loafers and like a stopo clown the gay stopo clown and um he you know was also trashed uh by the rush limbar and and that gang at fox news so anyway that's it for me so i will pass my torch to and i guess isn't it no you're going to introduce an interview i was about to do it since i was doing now okay i would like to introduce pizza a fabulous interview with deb ingram who is chitening county senator running for lieutenant governor so let's look at that i want to welcome you all to our first all things zoom interview and i couldn't be happier that it's an old friend and actually one of our most frequent guests please welcome back chitening county senator debbie ingram welcome thank you so much it's great to be here now we have a lot to talk about because life as we knew it in january has changed in many ways one by virtue of how the senate is operating in the bills you're looking at and also something that you might be doing for the next step in your political career so let's talk first about the senate and how are you all doing with this new reality it is a new world for sure well we are doing this same thing that you and i are doing now we're doing a lot of zoom remote meetings and actually i'm on the health and welfare committee and so we immediately jumped in to pass some emergency legislation to make sure that our healthcare system was working well for the monitors as we began dealing with the pandemic so i have been on committee meetings well three to four days a week which we would have done anyway if we've met in person in health and welfare and then we've had all senate meetings together and then we finally made the transition to actually being able to have quote unquote floor sessions by zoom so we've been doing business and and actually passing legislation so it's quite a steep curve now do any of you actually come into the building anymore we did at the very beginning we had we've had two sessions since this all began with only 16 of us because that's a that's a quorum in the senate and uh we had to pass we had to pass some legislation before we gave ourselves permission to do things remotely so we we've done that twice and we we so we were socially distant and we you know warm masks and our gloves and you know we we we follow the guidelines but now we can do everything remotely now and this has worked out well and if i as a constituent have an interest in the particular piece of legislation is there a way that i can track it in committee and see what it is the committee is taking correction or testify if i wanted to yes yes so our webs the legislative website is still functioning well and updated all the time and so you can see our agendas when a piece of legislation is coming up and then when we're actually in session meeting we have our zoom sessions are broadcast on youtube so you can follow along on youtube but if you wanted to testify then you'd have to contact the chair and the committee assistant beforehand and be invited into the zoom platform we are trying to avoid having zoom bombing which has unfortunately happened so that's why we we put it on youtube for people to watch now you had mentioned that health and welfare had passed and and very quickly some covid specific pieces of legislation in other states there's been some conflict between the legislature and the administration about how the administration had approached covid how do you all feel about what our administration has been doing and their approach i think on for the most part we're we've all been very pleased with how the administration has handled things and we um we especially appreciate the caution and the ability to listen to our scientists and our doctors to make decisions which is something of course we don't see at the national level fairly so we're happy to see that i think the biggest concern we have though is the lack of preparation for the huge number of claims for unemployment insurance and how that has really been a kind of a mess to use a technical term um when people have been calling in and trying to make claims and then when um they've had issues or problems with their claim trying to get back into the system to get somebody to correct it and that has truly been a terrible hardship on many vermonters because they've had to go for weeks with their claim not being processed properly and then not getting any not having any income and so really um we've we've unfortunately heard from some very desperate folks that's been the worst part of the response so far now is it possible that the legislature is going to step in and take action or are you somewhat confident with how the administration has tried to turn that around well that is really a function of the department of labor so um what the legislature has been able to do is put pressure on them we've you know we've had the commissioner come in and speak to us in various settings several times we have individually emailed and called different employees in the department of labor the house members actually did take it upon themselves to be able to enter the portal that the department of labor runs to actually check on individual cases of constituents um so they've done some of that so so we've tried to do as much as we possibly can although it I mean it is essentially an administrative administrative function now building off what you had said about you know we had vermonters who were waiting for a paycheck and waiting for the additional monies that had been promised to come in I noticed that the legislator legislature had taken action to try and put in place moratoriums on evictions and foreclosures you know are we likely to see more of those types of actions I think that we've done we've laid a good foundation we we did pass um uh that legislation um we've we've reached out to financial institutions and to landlords also and have um encouraged individuals to to do that because we we have been able that there are a lot of um institutions that are that are um willing to work with their um people who've borrowed from them um to to work out a different payment schedule so um you know we've taken quite a bit of action uh in a lot of different areas and I think at this point we feel we've covered most of the essential things um right now so we're actually beginning to move towards some of the legislation that we had passed out committee before the crisis began and we're uh just yesterday we started expanding to look at some of the bills that we were trying to pass before this all started which is a wonderful segue into the other than COVID you all had and you personally had some priorities of actions that you wanted to see during this second year of the biennium what are those pieces of legislation that you're really hopeful are still going to see some action and is there a sense of how long the session might now last because I had seen some of the public media reporting that with the remote accessing and you know all of the changes that were needed to take in place that you all might still be needing remotely into the fall that's right well some of the legislation that I'm particularly interested in is some of the climate change bills I've been on the climate caucus and climate solutions caucus and especially the global warming solutions act the house passed that so it's coming over to the senate we also in the senate we passed a bill called the justice reinvestment to act and that would help to reduce the population in our prisons and improve programming for inmates so that when they get out they are more likely to succeed so we are hoping the house will take that up their variety of since I'm on education and health and welfare their variety of different bills that we've been working on in education delaying our change changes in special education so we're better prepared for them and also restructuring how the teacher health care bargaining happens so some of those some of those things are still important to us but yes the in terms of the schedule what we're being told now is that hopefully we'll be able to do the budget adjustments for this year and then we'll pass a limited budget for just the first quarter of FY 21 hopefully we're going to get that done by mid-jun then we'll stop from mid-jun through the primary through about mid-august and then we'll go back to have a better sense of how much federal money we'll be getting what our revenue looks like so that we can do a budget for the rest of fiscal year 21 so that's what we're looking at now okay so a couple things that you touched on quickly I mean first climate change I mean certainly with the stay at home orders we've seen some of the dramatic benefits from reducing carbon footprints but let's talk about education and funding and maybe Vermont colleges since you're on the education committee and all of a sudden it became more of a priority than when you thought at the beginning of the session what are you all thinking in and how might you all be approaching that well we we do have a financial crisis in our in our colleges we we were working on trying to provide two years of free tuition to Vermonters for community college that we had a bill that we were working on when the crisis struck because we've heard for many years now that and it is absolutely true that the state under funds our colleges I think we're actually 49th among the 50 states and how much money we invest in our higher education which which is dismal obviously but we had we were we were taken by surprise with the chancellor's kind of nuclear option of actually shutting down some of the campuses and that of course catalyzed everybody into action though because you know these these colleges are they're important of course for the students they're important employers for teachers and other staff and they're really cultural centers in the communities in which they're located so this would have a devastating effect you know all across the state so so now that that proposal has been pulled off the table we're working to use some of the federal funds that we're getting in to to do some transitional funding for a period of time so that we can call in Olson to help analyze the situation and work with the trustees and come up with a long-term solution that will make sure that we can keep those colleges open so might education and free tuition be part of someone's platform who might just happen to be running for lieutenant governor well that might be true well you know I I am running for lieutenant governor thank you for that for that segue and yet truly I think that this crisis has helped us to shine a bright light on the gaps that we have already in our in our systems we're we're just seeing we're seeing the problem with education we're seeing the problems with broadband we're seeing that if if Vermonters had been making um higher wages they would have had some savings to draw on so that two weeks of not getting paid wouldn't be devastating for them we're seeing that if we had paid family leave that we that could help tide people over we're seeing all sorts of problems with our systems and one of the reasons that I'm running for lieutenant governor is to is to say um well let's yes this is a crisis but let's also view it as an opportunity because we obviously too were able to um address some of these problems literally overnight you know our our homeless population we were able to to house and you know the burlington mayor put motor homes on north beach uh you know we put um folks in motels it's because we decided as a group and we had the leadership to to know that this this is urgent and we have to do something about it now if we brought that courage and that political will to all of our various problems including college tuition and and all kinds of other things um then I think we would really see some big changes in our society and that's the kind of vision and the kind of forward thinking that I want to bring to the office of lieutenant governor and from reading your statement on your campaign page you are someone who has confronted challenges and showed incredible strength and resilience so what I would ask you is why this move now what why is this the time I'm debbing from should be vermont's lieutenant governor well the um originally the reason I I've been thinking about it for a while but just for practical reason um when uh david zuckerman the current lieutenant governor decided to run for governor it created an opening and and practically speaking in vermont you have to seize those opportunities when um when they when they come because they they don't come around that often but um but I do think that the timing has has been really um really special because um yes from you know from my um my early days by my dad died when I was 16 um to my early career when I was discriminated against and fired from work because my sexual orientation um to living overseas in a in a developing country in Bangladesh and having to deal with the challenges of of uh that um existence um you know to um my um recovery from alcoholism all of these kinds of things are um um you know they make you a seasoned person and um and I think that you there's no substitute for life experience and I really believe that I'm a candidate that can be compassionate to all of us as we're uh facing the the grief and the loss of what we've had to go through in the prices and also be hopeful and optimistic and help um lead people forward to a stronger tomorrow and I've always been impressed by your honesty and integrity and your willingness to respond directly to a situation so as we are rapidly running out of time people who want to become involved in your campaign we will put the contact email address on the screen you have a series of virtual tours that you were doing that's right yes there are 14 counties in vermont and we're going to each one uh virtually uh hopefully at some point maybe in person but we're going to each one in turn so um uh each week we're releasing a new video uh next week we'll be releasing one on washington county and i'll be interviewing people who are doing exciting things either businesses or nonprofits in washington county talking a little bit about things that are fun to do once we can get out again and um also looking at the historical contributions that the county has made so they'll be on my youtube channel you can go to my website ingramvt.com to get the link and um yes email me if you want to be on my email list and the primary is august 11 and i before we started taping you said that people would probably be receiving postcards encouraging people to do a mail-in ballot that needs to be received by your town clerk honor before august 11 and you were endorsed by alpac yes i was that's right i'm very excited yeah very pleased and that wasn't a merely here i am and i fit your profile you needed to be interviewed by them and they needed to say yes what you stand for is something we would support that's right that's right yes yes and i would be the first openly lesbian statewide office holder in vermont and it would give me more than ample opportunity to come back and say old friend it's time for us to talk again i would enjoy that very much so with that thank you very much for being our first zoom interview and good luck with your campaign thank you thank you it's been great to be here great interview key of note this month on debbing rooms virtual tour vermont it's washington county i watched it very informative all right so with that linda i say even during these hard times we do what we can and remember to resist