Coming up, Vega Launch. The NASA Authorization Act. And we talk about cities on Mars. Stay tuned. Tomorrow begins right now. And welcome to tomorrow episode 8.05 for Saturday, February 14th, 2015. My name is Benjamin Higginbotham. With me as always is my beautiful, lovely, absolutely wonderful and talented wife, Carrie Ann Higginbotham, and we'll be your hosts for this epic episode. I want to give a huge shout out to all of the patrons of tomorrow who have helped to make this specific episode happen. These are the people who have contributed at least $10 to this specific episode. Now, for those of you who are familiar with our Patreon program, we have actually recently changed the reward levels to make it even more exclusive. To find out more information on that, head over to patreon.com slash T-M-R-O. Thank you to all of our patrons. Thank you to all of the patrons of this show. Now, there was some amazing SpaceX news that happened. Normally, at this point, we turn it over to Space Mike. Unfortunately, he's unable to attend for this episode, so we're going to postpone that news for one week. I'm sorry, I know you guys all want to see it, but we really do need Space Mike to... I promise the news doesn't change between here and there. It won't be any different, and the coverage will be awesome, and I know that kind of sucks, but it is something that we need to do, so we'll postpone that news for one week and when we bring him back in. We have a very long clip from the House of Representatives, so it'll make up for it in one way or another. But there was some other awesome launch coverage that happened. We've got a Vega rocket, which is a solid rocket vehicle, and it launched the IXV test article. Check this out. And off it goes, solids! Oh, man. Go, go. Well, the other thing is that this wasn't going... Yeah, but it also wasn't going like crazy far into space. This wasn't a deep space mission, so it had the ability to be a much lighter vehicle. And then with the solids on top of it, yeah, it just frickin' took off. That was just crazy pants. This happened February 11th at 1340 Universal Time from the ZLV launch facility in Guyana Space Center. This is the fourth European Vega rocket, but the first in full daylight. Yeah, you gotta move faster, camera, look. It carried the five-meter-long, intermediate experimental vehicle. That's that IXV that I mentioned earlier. It is a lifting body, meaning there are no real... there are actual wings on it. It's designed to kind of be an aerodynamic surface in and of itself. And it has two flaps for controlled re-entry and a suite of sensors on board. And it is designed for the European Space Agency to be able to test re-entry and reusable re-entry methods. So that's what this vehicle was. It went around the Earth once or twice. It was a just under a two-hour mission which would put it at about once, I guess. And yeah, like I said, there were tons of sensors on board and that way, and it was down-linking all of this data. So in case they didn't recover the IXV, they were able to at least gather that data and still have something useful. But they did. There were four big balloons that inflated on it, kept it out in the Pacific Ocean. They captured it and recovered it. They got just a ton of data to go through. And yeah, that'll be really cool. Now, they're kind of what they're going to do with this, not entirely sure because they haven't actually pushed forward any of their other reusable plans yet. But this hopefully will help to ignite some of that moving forward. There you go. So I mentioned just a moment ago a clip from the House Science Committee. We normally cut these clips down into very easy to absorb sound bites, but I think the whole clip in and of itself is a pretty easy to absorb sound bite. This happened February 10th. You're going to see a clip from Representative Stephen Palazzo. He's a Republican from Mississippi. And he's talking about the NASA Authorization Act. This is an act that's going to basically fund NASA and tell them what to do for the next year. It is essentially a cookie cutter, nearly a cookie cutter repeat from 2014 with a few minor changes in it. And the reason they did that is because it took the Senate forever to actually authorize this act. It wasn't until what was it June of last year that the Senate approved it. So the House is like, alright, dude, here, same thing, guys, make this go faster. This is the little speech before all of that that happened. So it's a little bit long. If you don't want to hear the whole thing, just jump forward six minutes. This is a six minute clip and we're going to play the whole thing. It's interesting and it's important, which is why we're not cutting it up. So here you go. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is truly a bipartisan bill. The House should be proud of the work the committee has done and continues to do to be inclusive of members on both sides of the aisle. In a time of partisanship on Capitol Hill, both Republicans and Democrats came together last year to craft legislation that moves beyond congressional districts and parochial interests. This bill provides clear and consistent guidance to NASA. The authorization levels are responsible and consistent with the Consolidated and Further Appropriations Act of 2015. It also continues looking to NASA to provide a strategic roadmap that will guide exploration development in the future. Space Subcommittee Ranking Member Donna Edwards and I worked long days to put this legislation together last year. While Ms. Edwards and I don't always agree, we are united in our unwavering support for NASA and space exploration during this crucial time in our nation's history. We are committed to once more launching American astronauts on American rockets from American soil. I know many of our colleagues agree that American leadership in space is both a matter of national pride, but also of national security. Yet over the last decade, the Human Exploration Program at NASA has been allied with instability from constantly changing requirements, budgets and missions. We cannot continue changing our program of record every time there is a new president. We must be consistent in our commitment to human exploration. As identified by numerous reports and committees, NASA needs Congress to provide consistency of purpose. That commitment is reflected in today's bipartisan bill and I am confident it will continue into the future. The bill before us today requires the agency to develop a human exploration roadmap and provides a framework to build an executable plan for future exploration efforts. NASA must use this plan as an opportunity to utilize assets from all the mission directorates to find the most efficient and effective ways to build technologies and capabilities within constrained budgets. Both the Space Launch System and the Orion crew vehicle are reaffirmed in this bill, consistent with the NASA Authorization Act of 2010 which laid out very clear guidelines and direction for the development of these systems. This bill authorizes ample funding for the Commercial Crew Program to ensure safe and on-time development of domestic access to the International Space Station. There are also oversight provisions to ensure transparency during the development of these systems. NASA represents an understanding that both our commercial crew partners and those developing SLS and Orion have a crucial role to play in ending our reliance on Russian rockets. NASA must develop a concrete plan for the future of human exploration if we have any hope of ensuring America's leadership in space. This bill tasks the scientists and engineers at NASA rather than the administration to develop such a plan. As a study last year from the National Academies of Science pointed out, a return to extended surface operations on the moon would make significant contributions to a strategy ultimately aimed at landing people on Mars. I hope that the roadmap NASA produces in response to this bill will also incorporate the value guidance from the National Academies as well as the NASA Advisory Council, the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel, and the many other groups that advise NASA. Our bill is not perfect, but it represents a serious bipartisan commitment to space exploration at a critical time in our nation's space exploration history. As a good steward of taxpayer dollars, I will continue to raise questions and concerns over NASA's budgets. For instance, since 2007, NASA Earth Science budget grew almost 75 percent while NASA's exploration budget remains stagnant. Even with these historic increases, I am worried that the additional responsibilities being thrust on NASA by NOAA and USGS will consume NASA's already challenged budget even more. The administration continues to advocate for an ever-changing and poorly justified Asteroid mission which was universally criticized by all of NASA's advisory groups. One study from the National Academies published a portion of the mission, a dead-end technology. In these budget constrained times, NASA must be frugal with its precious exploration resources and focus on core developments such as the SLS and Orion which will provide the foundation for any potential deep-space missions in the future. I also have interest in strengthening provisions dealing with cumbersome termination liability requirements, and I hope those can be addressed as we work with the Senate. American leadership in space depends on our ability to put people and sound policy ahead of politics. This is what we have tried to do with this House bill. This bill has been tested, debated, and passed multiple times over the last year. It has passed the subcommittee, full committee, and House once already and I urge our friends in the Senate to move forward with us by adopting our common sense compromise for passing the House bill. Our nation's space program needs this legislation. Space exploration has always had its challenges, but the United States has always risen to the occasion. This country was built by people who dream big and do the hard things. I believe the decisions we make today will determine whether the U.S. maintains its leadership in space tomorrow. In the future, as in the past, I hope we will be able to focus on priorities and goals to ensure our best chances of success. I'll reserve the balance of my time. Alright, so I know that was long and I know a lot of people are like, oh, humans on other planets, that's awesome. Don't bore me with politics, but they are interwoven and this stuff is in fact important. The couple of key things I want to pull out of that were I love, you know, we've complained before where Congress would tell NASA how to build a rocket. For example, SLS. They tell them what fuels they need to use and other things, but like let the engineers decide and actually I did like the part where you said look, let the engineers decide where NASA is going to go and then basically said and by the way, you're going to the moon without saying you're going to the moon. I mean it was definitely pushing you towards the moon but I might be okay with that. You know, we've got this asteroid mission which I think is uninspired. I don't understand it. I get it but I just it's not what people want. People want humans on the moon or Mars. Well, at least I think they do. I don't, I haven't taken a poll but I assume, my gut, right, my scientific gut feeling is moon or Mars, right, or both. I mean ultimately both. How do you get to Mars? You go to the moon first and then go out to Mars which Dave Mastin moved first or you just go straight to Mars which I'm sure Zubrin would argue for as well. So, that part was interesting. You know, we're getting away from the we're going to tell you how to build this stuff. You guys tell us how to make this go. Hopefully that actually follows through. The other thing that was interesting was let's not keep changing course every four years, right? Every time a new president comes on, four to eight years. Every time a new president comes on, we change the program of record and move to a whole new system. Cancel constellation and then from the ashes rises SLS and then that turns into this big bohemath of a thing and NASA is like we can't afford it and Congress is like we don't care so all of this weird stuff so all of these politics and all these policies actually do matter so this is something we should continue to watch. We still needed to pass by the Senate so that was kind of the plea at the end of like this is the same thing from before, please Senate just rubber stamp it and move on and that actually happens and we'll continue to watch it. So there you go. That's what's going on with NASA and their budget. We're a worldwide audience and people are like US centric much but NASA's budget is still a large swath of the non-militarized worldwide. I think I said before you could combine the rest of the budgets of all of the other space agencies non-military space agencies and I think I was called out on that and actually it was close but it did in fact exceed NASA but it's still around 50-50 so NASA gets a majority of the money for this stuff worldwide and that's why NASA is important US or not, if we want humanity to get onto the moon and go onto Mars, NASA is a really great bet for making that happen but awesomely not our only bet Anyhow there you go. Moving right along, Orbital ATK has merged finally it's all official now. Did they come up with a really cool new name? Yeah, they are calling themselves Orbital ATK so the Orbital Sciences Corporation and Alliant Tech Systems Incorporated which I just had and followed by the wayside for me I just had always called them ATK and I I totally forgot Alliant Tech Systems but they are now Orbital ATK and they have an OA on the stock market in case you care which now has more than 12,000 people across 20 states in the United States which is really amazing and now together they have divided, not divided but I suppose they have sort of subsection themselves off and do three particular sections flight systems, defense systems and space systems they each do a little bit of everything they have, defense which is based in Baltimore, Maryland as they are doing precision webtons tactical robot or rocket motors air to sea, land based systems missile warning products ammunition including small caliber items there's the flight which is based in Arizona they do design of solid rocket propulsion systems small and medium class space launch vehicles for civil defense and commercial missions They are going to be like the solid boosters on SLS they also take care of things like Stargager L1011 or 11011 I guess I have no idea what that is the Minotaur 456 Pegasus Antares rocket, those are names you guys are familiar with for sure they also do some critical composite structures for Airbus A350 Boeing 787 Lockheed Martin's F-35 and ULA Delta and Atlas launch vehicles They're huge, I had no idea they were that big Yeah, no exactly, so unfortunately I have a lot of notes and I apologize but you know and then the space area is mostly in Dulles which is actually where they're going to be Headquartered, Dulles, Virginia where they design, manufacture and operate small to medium class satellites for communication imaging science, national security, space shuttle applications like their GeoStar, LeoStar or LEO Star I guess and Cygnus spacecraft so they're doing a lot it's funny their press release kind of said some things about how they have always sort of been it almost made it sound like a relationship of we've always been really fond of the things that the other company has been doing having this really great communication and so we just decided to be together I was like, well hey, there you go for Valentine's Day Alright, you got laughing all the way around Alright, we're going to take a quick break and when we come back our main topic this week is going to be Martian Cities Stay tuned, we'll be right back Get into our main topic this week which we would love your participation in I did want to give a huge shout out to all of our patrons of tomorrow who have helped make this specific segment of this episode go these are the people who contributed $5 or more to this segment you can get more information on how you can contribute to the show and how you can continue to help us do awesome things over at Patreon.com slash T-M-R-O we are a crowdfunded show, every dollar helps. Alright, let's go ahead and get started with our main topic of Martian Cities and this topic came about because we were driving why did this not come about? We realized that we didn't have someone to interview this week because it is Valentine's Day and we didn't want to force somebody to I tried to force people I didn't want to force anyone to have to be with the two of us insufferable people during Valentine's Day so we were discussing different topics and we've been doing this show this is our 8th season for quite a while now and of course we've discussed Martian Cities who is going to be there and maybe how they're going to govern in this set and the other but then I thought well one of the few things we haven't talked about although one time with Chris Radcliffe we did have some small discussions about this are the actual logistics of the cities themselves. Yeah, because we talk about I think we talk about like the first settlers on Mars the pioneers of Mars their life is going to be very different than the people who actually settle and like are there and have you know go to the active cities it's going to be a little bit like the Wild well no it's going to be even before that it's going to be it's going to be hard for the pioneers but what happens after we're past that phase we built some cities and you have different pockets right you'll have kind of like you do now you like you'll have New York. Well the initial idea for me personally kind of came from you know you said we were driving and we were surrounded by gas guzzling cars and when it's one of the one thing that you do not have on Mars is fossil fuels you're not going to be seeing sure at least at this point you're not going to just have gas stations around you're not going to be able to take your gas car and go fill up at a gas station. So that's how it came about is what does the transportation look like on Mars to get between New York and New Beijing. Right are we going to have new hyper loops are we going to have segues are we going to have. Ironically hyper loops are like perfect for Mars right I mean they're kind of on earth on Mars that could be like the way to get around but even outside of that right you're probably not going to have gas based vehicles you're probably going to have all electric vehicles that got us to kind of thinking well what does that infrastructure actually look like. How do you go from CDA to CDB yeah clean slate right so you can do anything you want you constantly think of like the domes covering the Martian cities it's probably not going to happen right so the cities themselves are likely to be underground so you're just going to have underground tunnels you're going to do like maglev trains you know one over alphas is monorail which by the way would be awesome I think this could really be the advent of the moving sidewalk the 25 mile long moving sidewalk yes I don't see a reason not to I mean it could be if we're going to be living like ants underground and all of that other stuff then you want to be able to move around efficiently but then the next question is for these Martian cities because you know living like ants underground actually does kind of make a little bit of sense you don't want to do that right you're on Mars you don't want to live underground all the time right not all the time I mean can't we build something above ground that can actually you know work it probably won't be a dome but then that's the next part of the question is what's the architecture on Mars actually going to look like I don't have any by the way this week we have no answers pure discussion of what do you think the architecture on Mars is going to look like is it going to be domes is it going to be more cathedrally is it going to be epic I think we talked a little bit about this with Chris Radcliffe and he's you know he had some very valid points of you know we had really great architecture not that long ago with cathedrals and whatnot why don't you know we could kind of some of that same stuff I'm probably doing a poor representation of what he's talking about but some of those same concepts on Mars but then even outside of that do you do it above ground below ground a combination of both you have like observation decks that are kind of above ground do you do them in the giant you've got to mount Olympus on Mars do you do something up on the mountain probably not because boiling point too high the pressure is too low so you have to get down as far as you can and then how do you power all of this right so where's power this this planet is further away from the sun than earth is so we were using photovoltaics or solar panels we're probably not going to be using coal just thought probably not going to be using coal probably not going to be doing anything oil based so probably not wind just going to throw hydroelectric probably not a thing so where's the power going to come from and then or this could be another area I look at all the things we can do on Mars oh man I'm going to bring this into Disney sorry everyone I'm going to make this Disney side Disney sized you look at Progress City from Walt Disney he had Progress City which is what EPCOT was kind of based around not the EPCOT park that was built but the actual experimental prototype community of tomorrow could Mars be the perfect place to build the actual Progress City where it's the self-contained kind of community of tomorrow and everything kind of you have cars on a different level plane than humans you can never cross over the path of a vehicle you've got elevated transport lower transport you've got probably all electric vehicles to make all of that go and then outside of that maybe even your power is decentralized so instead of having a utility power like we have today every home every station every thing has its own power generation so it has its own solar panels that go into giant battery packs to store the power and then you use that as necessary and then maybe you've got something that's shared with all different people but you decentralize just about everything and then could you then take those models for these Martian communities with decentralized power and this next generation multi-level transport and pick that up excuse me and use that on earth for next generation colonies and communities on earth is there something that can be learned from Mars and is that the export from Mars excuse me mute me please yeah so that is interesting that you talk about that and I wonder just kind of going back a step or two talking about the different architecture specifically I wonder if we are going to be trying to replicate some of the earth architecture on Mars just to sort of have a harken back a you know you could see in some sort of weird dystopian sort of situation where I guess it's a slightly Battlestar Galactica where you get to a certain point you finally get all the way back to earth and you don't even recognize anything anymore sure right it's so completely different and forward and maybe nothing you've ever seen before anything along those lines yeah I don't know it's interesting or if we are going to try very specifically try to be very futuristic and maybe actually well I mean not at first right at first it's going to be about survival right at first it's how do we live but then once you have those choices survive on this alien body once you get past the okay now we know how to live now you go okay but how do we live right I don't know we know how to survive but how do we live right and I think that's the question of how do you make a house a home how do you make a house a home on Mars that should be the title of this episode how do you make a house a home no I don't know what it is how do you make a Mars an earth no no no no so close so close yeah you know how does all of that go and then actually some of the two we could brought up an interesting point in the chat room which is started wondering about with Mars so far away will crews be selected based on blood type because if you're what is it oh negative and you need transfusion and I mean there's no other oh negatives out there you might be SOL so how's that but I think that's kind of before what we're looking at here right that's survival and we're kind of at the you know we've talked about survival on Mars pick up and move to the moon as well right can can you use these same concepts on the moon or do you do you verse that and go moon first and then and then figure that out on Mars as well so actually we'd love to know what you think right what do you think it's going to be like to live on Mars past the point of initial colonies your city planner you've gotten to the point now where your city planner and because we're ready to make a city the way that we want to not based on survival needs but based on comfort needs or figured out her survive now we want to make it comfortable exactly where do you go from there what do you do what does transportation look like what does power look like what do your houses look like what does the colony look like and actually even what does the social construct look like on Mars as well these are all I think very interesting questions that will have to be well that will be answered on their own but it's still a fun kind of game to play go well how is Mars going to actually work out and then even even beyond that once you've got these these areas what does the transportation system between Mars and Earth or possibly Mars the moon and earth look like at that point as we're starting to set that up do we have some sort of constant transport that goes between these items so that you have consistent deliveries of resources back and forth between all of these these different worlds between homeworld and offworld that'll be so cool when I when you can say oh I'm going offworld for something something and that's a normal phrase I imagine that that's going to be so awesome alright so love your comments leave them on YouTube if you're going to use Twitter hashtag T M R O that's a great place to do it Facebook as well and speaking of comments we're going to take a quick break when we come back comments from last week's show stay with us we'll be right back we've always looked to the stars they guide us give us comfort help us find our way we see ourselves out there when 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started with some comments this first one comes from YouTube from Marcus Killian you can totally do things and build sediments on asteroids and it would be easier than Mars or the moon we've got to learn to build the boats before we can cross the ocean so to speak can you talk more about building an L5 type station L5 Lagrange .5 so let's move backwards a little bit going to asteroids being easier maybe maybe not so low gravity areas or microgravity areas like some of these asteroids are actually very very difficult to work on and a lot of them are spinning and outgassing so they're actually way more complicated than going on to a low gravity surface like the moon or Mars and actually I would argue quite a bit harder even we looked at the filet lander and what a hard time it had landing and grappling in to stay on the asteroid a 67P it is actually quite difficult to do so I'm not sure that it actually is easier to settle an asteroid now of course it depends on the size of the asteroid whether it's outgassing or not and the trajectory like is it spinning around and doing things that make it really hard to land on so many variables there but I'm not actually convinced that it is any easier than going to our nearest neighbor the moon which is in a way Earth's asteroid right so it's our moon but it's our moon it's our moon so I would argue a moon would be easier than an asteroid in my personal opinion building a Lagrange type station which a Lagrange point is you've got two objects I'm going to oversimplify this you've got two objects you've got the earth and the moon they each have a gravity well and there's a point in between the two where the pull of each kind of it takes a lot of fuel to kind of maintain that orbit because the gravity kind of just tugs you in the right direction so you just kind of hold that particular place oversimplify that a little bit but there are different points between earth and moon where you've got and actually even behind as well where you actually have these kind of really great Lagrange points and you know getting to these points also takes a lot of fuel it's not necessarily easy they actually said it can came points out the sun as well as the third point third gravity well that I neglected to mention so I oversimplified it getting there takes a lot of fuel it's difficult to do so maybe it might make sense we may want to construct some of it in low earth orbit and then fuel that up and send it to a Lagrange point I'm not sure I haven't actually looked at what it would take to construct in a Lagrange point because they're a bit out there I think that would be an interesting concept that's an interesting idea alright next up also from YouTube this is Scott Hershey I believe wish you could have added Orion to the intro actually that's a good idea we should add Orion to the intro and we should add other things the videos in the intro are actually the same videos from last season we just kind of ran out of time so we didn't update any of them in the intro sequence and then forward looking if we were to put some forward looking elements into the intro what do you think those forward looking elements should be as well so give me some ideas and we'll throw some more stuff at the intro because the intro is not actually done it's just kind of in a flux state right now he's in a flux state right now I think that a DJ flux state one of our users alright moving along this one came from Twitter so Elon Musk Mars should be an atheist colony leave war ravaged earth and start a planet void of religious war privately spiritual hashtag TMRO yeah so interesting concept I think this comes from a lot of the you see like ISIS and what not and you hear about the bombings that are going on you know this is religious religion fueled hatred and you know you know you don't want to piss off a lot of people by going into a huge religion thing sure but at the same time historically religion fuels hatred that's what it does and everyone will say well my religion doesn't my religion does good and um might be worth going back and checking your religion and seeing how much hatred it actually did fuel that's not to say you shouldn't be spiritual and I think that's actually the point is if you want to believe in something you don't need religion to do that right I'm not sure what religion is in a modern society I think as humanity we have grown to the point where we understand what is we have a moral compass that we are instilled with and I'm not sure that religion is required to point you in the right way I may be wrong I'm not saying yes or no I'm just kind of looking at this going I'm not convinced that religion belongs on our next generation colonies or if it's there maybe it doesn't get the same benefits that it gets here on earth I just appreciate that Tabasco directed that comment to Elon well I mean Elon's trying to try to do stuff on that stuff it's not like nobody else's though dear Elon president of Mars I'm trying to tread lightly and not just kind of give my world you can believe whatever you want I'm not saying that these are bad people or that all religion is bad but religion has a history of fueling hatred and that is bad and I think everyone would agree that fueling hatred regardless of how you're doing is not good right as the chat room does agree saying religion neutral not atheist and someone else that believes fuel hatred atheism can do that too yeah that's true too right if you're fueling I think what we need to do is stop fueling hatred and it's easy to point at religion and maybe that's not the right way to point maybe there's a better way to say we shouldn't be fueling hatred in our next generation colonies and that's hard because it's kind of that also is instilled in us well the dark side does have cookies so it makes it more difficult that way but you know yeah we need to stop I think I'll end it there as we're saying in the chat room group hug I know that was a little touchy-feely and I don't want to piss too many people off but yeah why have hatred there's no need for it anymore alright moving on Trusader USA says hashtag tomorrow where's the little blue space man we haven't been seeing him recently alright next up which comes from time like 01 I believe from twitter hashtag tomorrow piss me off with their anti-human march flight malarkey for the last time I just unsubscribe you have to yell at it we just talked about no hatred what the heck man I just unsubscribe from that crappy channel hashtag yeah well I mean as time like 01 will not be watching this particular episode where we very much so discussed a lot of human presence on Mars not because of this comment in any way shape performance really just what we decided to do that's too bad I don't know what we said or did to piss you off and I'm sorry but we are absolutely pro-humans on everything when people ask me what the show is about it's about space with an emphasis on human spaceflight because we do cover other things we covered filet last week we did the cover we cover plenty of things that are not specifically human rated or human focused we talked with writing with robots there's plenty of things that we do because robots are important too absolutely but I'm just saying that we have an emphasis on human spaceflight so why on earth anyone would say that your anti-human Mars flight is a little bit beyond me I don't know I also apologize and for anyone who's interested in time like 01 I did a little clicking and this particular person has a web comic all about being on Mars and human settlement on Mars and what have you I didn't read any so I can't tell you if they're good or not but I just know it exists so if you guys feel free if you're into that sort of thing anyhow we are not anti-humans on Mars now we're not going to promote things that we don't think are going to get so anyone can say hey I've got a transportation system that's going to send us to Mars in five years go ahead and get behind me because we're awesome and I'm going to go shenanigans no you don't and show me the hardware I'm going to push on you a little bit if I think that you're saying something that's not factually correct so we look at entities like Mars and we go I'm skeptical and we look at other claims of we'll be on Mars in ten years and you go I'm skeptical we want it to be true we want humans on Mars in like a year but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen and you can want all day long that doesn't make it true despite what Disney says you can't just wish it and it will happen you have to work at it and there's a lot of stuff we don't know about getting to Mars so anyhow humans on Mars are important humans on the moon are important humans beyond Mars are important humans exploring the galaxy and the cosmos and the universe is important also robots are equally is important they are the precursors to humans going out there and so you can't have one with you shouldn't have one without the other there you go that's the end of my little soapbox on that one not that he'll ever see that but now you know anyway so I think this is our last comment from Mars Colony 2025 at tomorrow at Ben Credible NASA's budget may be going quote up and to the right but inflation is faster about 2.4% a year hashtag tomorrow that's too bad actually that was a very valid very valid point when we were talking about how NASA's budget has been consistently growing I neglected to mention it has not been growing at the rate of inflation so the amount of dollars that they have been getting it can do account inflation actually has been going down and there's a beautiful graph that shows that just search NASA inflation and I think you'll be able to see that on the goose alright that's our show for this week I think everyone so much for watching thank all of our patrons for contributing to the show leave your comments anywhere you want YouTube, Facebook Twitter we do 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