this is kind of what you have to do. There's actually one on Broadcastify as well. If anyone has a question about all that, I have my contact info on the last slide. So you can take and you can, oh, I mentioned AM. So if you're interested in what's going on at LAX, planes going back and forth, you can actually listen. You can both watch what they are doing through that ADS-B and you can actually listen to the tower using this card. So you'd have to use two cards if you want to do both at the same time. But anyway, there's a lot of options there. I'm not going to go through how to do it there, but give people an idea of how that works. So RF10s, an outside antenna is always better than the inside antenna. That does make a difference on these cards. You can plug any other radio. You want an outdoor antenna if you can, but this works if you don't have anything else. The other thing is if you're at a repeater site or if you happen to be next to an AM radio site, I don't know if anyone lives next to an AM radio site. You can hear their AM radio through your keys and your shower and your braces and whatever else. You might need a filter, and they actually sell filters for different bands, or you can build one, which is another talk. Disco and antennas work great for scanners. If anyone's seen a disco and antenna, I'll show you a disco and antenna real quick. Put that in my presentation, but anyway. Yeah, so that's what a disco looks like. Those work great for reception of most frequencies. And then there's actually a 1090 antenna. There's a great antenna from Flight Aware, which is a 1090 antenna, which looks like that. You can build one of these, by the way. There's a bunch of plans online, and they're not too difficult, but that one does work pretty well. You cannot, actually. No, so the way that these cars work and with the TV transmission, unless someone else knows differently, this can't decode U.S. television. You can take it to Europe. It'll work. Yeah, that's right. Encryption scheme is different. Yeah, so let's see here. So let's see here. All right, what's going to show... Oh yeah, so if you haven't seen Broadcastify, let's see if we can get to... So if you haven't seen the site, you can see what the most popular radio, radio channels are. And if you click into most of them, most of them are run by amateur radio operators. And a lot of them do have the old, may even have them on your PC, connected to an old scanner, but this is a far better solution. Because as a dedicated thing, it's not whether your PC's up or not, and you don't have to buy an expensive scanner. This gives you a list of the kinds of things that are happening and how many people are listening. So if you ever want to know what's going on, you can see where the something's on fire. Do you know what I mean? So, okay, let's see here. If you want to help, if you know how to put together something like this, you know, Raspberry Pi Linux, you can be a huge resource to the community. You would be amazed how many people are just eager to do something like this for their community because they want to know what's going on. Especially, I mentioned California because of fires. Anytime there's any kind of emergency, they look online for scanner feeds, for any information, and there's often, it's not there.  And it's really the spirit of open source, the conference. It's open sourcing information. It's taking stuff that normally is proprietary, hard to get, and making it available. This is a very affordable platform. If you have questions, you can email me. My email does not match my old call sign. That's my old call sign. And so, feel free to contact me. Any questions? Yes, you can do all the Marine Band stuff. Yeah, so all the Coast Guard stuff. If you have an up converter, you can actually do all the HF stuff, too. On the planes, there's not a map of where the scanners are. There are maps of where the holes are, though. Oh, do they? Yeah, so the Commodore with Flight Raider has it. So you can figure out where the nodes are. Yes. The question is, how is it below 300 megahertz on the new... So this antenna is a short antenna designed for whatever the DVB standard is. So if you want to receive something that's a lot lower, you want a lot longer antenna. So it does the... I mentioned the discones are a lot better because they're arranged, but you could also just build a really, really long wire. And that helps. It helps a huge amount. Because these are really dinky antennas. Do you have another VHF? Yes, yes. Yeah, for VHF and UHF, which was the public safety frequencies, this is okay. So, yeah. Yes. Yeah, so the question is, are these people untrunked and unencrypted? The answer is yes, with some exceptions. It depends on where you're living. If you live in San Bernardino County, sorry. Anyone remember the old... where that... that cop went rogue and was shooting other cops? So, Riverside, yeah. So what happened is, if anyone knows what happened, the scanner guys were listening to that. At some point, they cornered them in a cabin. And what happened is the police said, oh, let's burn that MF down. And that got out. And so then they said, oh, well, you know, we don't want to have anyone know what we're doing because you might compromise safety. And really what it was, is we don't want anyone to know what we're doing. So if you ever have any involvement with public officials, because all it does is make... you know, it helps to be open, I think, to the public for law enforcement and fire and everything else. For the fires that we were looking at this summer and helping out with, if that stuff wasn't encrypted, like in Paradise, there'd be a lot of people who would be dead because there'd be zero information, right? And it's not only the public that uses this information, it's the press. It's the radio stations and the TV reporters and they also use all this information. So it can be really valuable. Questions? Actually, it's illegal. It's illegal to do, but these cards do receive the frequencies where cell phones are. So you may know that there's people who, in the government, legally tracking people's cell phones. Yes. Yeah, so... Oh, yeah. So don't do this either. These cards are pretty cool. But this is the same technology that car thieves are using on jeeps. So if anyone's heard this in San Diego, they've caught car thieves. What they do is they come up to a jeep. Jeeps are the specific car and they hit a button and they extend the key fob from inside your house to the jeep and turn the car on drive away. And how they're doing that, they don't tell you that, but it's one of these cards. And they just re-transmit it closer to the jeep. There are a lot of things you can do good and bad with these, but they're a lot of fun. Any other questions? Tracking the ISS? I mean, in terms of... Yeah, so that... No, you can't track where the ISS is. You can receive what the ISS is doing. You can receive the radio channels but technically you could. Yeah, technically you could. Yeah. If you do want to track the ISS, there's actually a site which is developed by a ham radio operator called N2IO which you can track the ISS. And that involves a lot of math and orbit prediction and all that stuff, but... Yes. Okay, so all that... Let's see here. Any other questions? Did you miss? No? Good, okay. Well, thank you very much. And if you have any questions, feel free to email me or tell me if we're ready to go and get started. Test, test, test. Does this work, too? I'll just repeat your questions if you have any questions. Okay, my name's Joe Ayers. I'm one of the contributors to the Arden firmware. I've been doing that for three, four years now back when there were Linksys and have been contributing ever since. So I'm part of what would be considered the core group of the Arden project. As you may know, Arden is now 501C3. So we're now a nonprofit. And if you do go on to a little plug here onto Amazon or other places, there's a way to reference Arden to, you know, send a little... bit our way to help fund additional development with devices that we want to port to and help the process. Okay, let me... We'll talk about the goals. I want to talk a little bit about the design of the Arden network and why it is that it is. Go into some little detail more into the Linux open source embedded platform and cover a little bit about the GitHub and how we build it. It's something that many of you may have the skill sets and have an interest to get involved as well. And then go into the routing, the DNS architecture, how all that works in building this network. Jump from there into deployment considerations. Get a little bit more into the microwave characteristics and what you have to be concerned about when you deploy this in practice, particularly in longer distance links which works very, very differently than what you would find in your home. And then bringing it all together and looking at, you know, what it is today. I think we've been talking about you probably saw it in the booth and the exhibit booth and other prior presentations from more than others questions. I'm happy to dive in a little bit. I've got enough slides here to won't cover the entire time. I expect a little bit of if there's interest in particular areas we can dive into that. So Arden is, of course, Ham Radio. We've been talking about that a lot in this track. It is non-commercial. We do experiment. We self-train private recreation, radio sport contesting and emergency communications. And that's a big part of what the Arden Project is about, is we're focusing this application for emergency communications preparedness for responders. So we'll see that focus. But we expect all the other purposes in Arden to be used for these other purposes as well. If all we did was emergency communications we'd get a very few less people involved. We like people that like to experiment and advance it and contribute to it and help with the training aspects so that we have a capability that we know we can deliver when there is an emergency. It's off-grid. So this network, if we had a group building a network in Las Vegas or Phoenix and here in Orange County and we are all building this network independently and we were all designing it independently when we tried to join them together we would run into problems as to how we architected our network and what IP address range we gave and other aspects of the network. So we're solving that problem with Arden. We are creating a configuration in architecture that the nodes automatically do. So that we know when Phoenix and Southern California start growing together and we expect that in the next few years that when we meet in the middle it'll just work. We expect that when we go to an incident and we need to go deploy very quickly a network that it will work. We have to go have several days of planning and architecture and design and get different groups from different areas to come to agreement on how it's going to work. We don't have time for that. We have to go to a site an incident, set it up and know that it's going to work. So that's a very key architecture issue for the Arden project. Now we would do sacrifice optimizations here and there but that's a very key thing and you'll find other groups that deploy networks in Ham Radio. But the deployment is very, very limited because it's very hard for those that don't have an IT skill set to go deploy those. So these nodes auto-configure themselves and have a built-in architecture and we'll go into that a little bit more. So basic IT skill sets aren't needed. It helps the basic level. It's the guru level that we don't need anymore. Low cost that's a very key thing here as well is if we were deploying at tower sites and it was costing thousands of dollars and you had to spend thousands of dollars in your home just to get on board that's going to limit it. These devices are very, very low cost. So and then services of course we want this network to work with all the standard services that are out there your Wi-Fi and your cell phone standard VoIP phones this is the technology of today it's what businesses use it's what Red Cross uses it's what everyone uses today it's all IP based. So what is the architecture it's open source Linux we're currently in the builds at 4.9.152 and that follows through from OpenWRT that we're based on top of it's build root you know an embedded build environment so that Linux can be framework so that you can just set some config files and target and build Linux for a very specific environment so it's a very complex but it's very, very powerful and then OpenWRT they're bringing to the table packages of all the different capability that you could pull together and build your platform that you're going to work with so everything is a packaged environment if I want a wireless driver I'm going to go get a particular package. The ATH9K is the one we use for wireless if I want to go to a 802.11ac then I start looking at other packages that are the ATH10K and I start bringing those in everything's a package when you put together this environment and build the platform of course the wireless is a big package that we're using the other one of course is Optimize Link Stank Routing OLSR there's several of packages out there for routing we've been using OLSR for a number of years and we'll probably start, you know, we're starting to consider and look at some of the other options out there their packages as well you bring them in and you configure them things like Batman is something that we'll be looking at if you're familiar these are all mobile ad hoc routing protocols so let's get into a little more detail so here is the basic recipe if you want to get involved and build the firmware images with Arden now this is all on GitHub and I'll try to switch over just briefly as well just directly to the GitHub site to introduce it but this is all you have to do to build all the images there are some prerequisites I can show you that that are on the readme and the GitHub site as well but it's standard GitHub you're going to clone it down have your repository of code there you're going to edit a config file to put your call sign in it to identify the images as you build them and you're just going to do a make and the make is doing the entire process of building the images the default is the TP link and the ubiquity products and then you build the microtech it adds them as a second make on top of it so the repo has config files and there's a config directory down here for all of the packages and all of the open WRT configuration so it's under the configs in location and then we have patches where we patch on top of that like the wireless driver and other things and then as we do the make it's going to put it in the firmware down here created by the firmware so it will clone as part of the make the open WRT repository and then as you build it it will put your images in the firmware directory here and then there's some test results you can look at where it's just static code analysis to look for syntax errors and other things to let you know about if you're developing it so how many people use github are pretty familiar with that okay so we got a few quite a few actually how many people are already ham radio licensed okay that's good good about similar how many want to get a ham radio license good good so I think the test sessions are finishing up already if you didn't already go but next year they'll be here or look up your local ham club for that so when we look in the patches directory just to give you an idea of what kind of patches are on top of open WRT the notation here is as the it starts with a zero these are patches that should be an open WRT they're all upstream patches and we want to go push those up to open WRT or farther upstream like OSR or some of the other groups and have them fix it and just we just inherit that benefit we don't have to manage that patch anymore we'll do this early so like you see these TP link patches up here this is bringing in support for these devices before open WRT has support for these so we've got a guy Andrew in Houston area that has been just one right after another getting these devices working in advance of open WRT so we're really excited about that you'll see some other things in here you know LDF microtech ones so there's some patches that are not yet in microtech releases so we still have to put those in then we get into the 700s these are truly the Arden specific patches that we'll always have on top of open WRT like changing the frequency and shifting it into the ham bands sliding up or down depending on the band so extended spectrum enabling a country code registry database setting our special SSID at boot so that we have a mesh node these are all the things that are unique there's a nano XW switch the nano station is a nightly build now make both ports work interchangeably before they did it but we needed some specific driver patches down at that level for the switches to get that to work so this is all in the patches directory and you know if you get into this and dig a little more you'll see that some of these are actually patches of patches there's a nested level because open WRT pulls in lots of patches upstream before they get further upstream into some driver into the Linux kernel so we sometimes have to patch to get the update going there so how's the mesh node configured we create by on every device these four interfaces there's a Wi-Fi interface now this is our mesh RF interface it's meant to reach out and discover other ardent devices and communicate with them over RF and so only other ardent devices would be communicating over that interface DTD link this is the other interface that's doing the same protocol over RF it's just doing it over a cat 5 cable so that we can route just as we could route from one node to another on a given band on 2 GHz or 5 GHz we can discover in route to another node 2 GHz, 5 GHz node so they can route between bands so we call that a device-to-device linking it's on a physical interface so we use VLAN tags to define all of the interfaces to the device so a device-to-device link is always a VLAN 2 a LAN interface so that we can put LAN devices just like on a home router the LAN interfaces are all untagged just as your home router would be very same kind of concept and then a WAN interface same as a home to get to the internet or a foreign network that has a VLAN tag of 1 so if you have an ardent node remember most of these devices are meant to go up towers we're not going to run up 4 cat 5 cables to the device we're going to run 1 cable up to it right? so to get access to all of those interfaces we need VLAN tags to trunc down all of those interfaces the same kind of thing that you would do between switches so putting it all together then is this is the building block with these interfaces for these mesh nodes to start communicating either over a physical cable over RF and a tunnel going out the internet over the WAN to another mesh node somewhere else to join islands so we're discovering and making mesh network connections Wi-Fi, DTD link and out tunnels out the WAN for those three discovery mechanisms to find other mesh nodes so let's put it together a little more start using that building block as the network starts to build out so what is the OSR role the optimized link state routing so it's the protocol that's going to discover other mesh nodes to start building the network now let's set the context here real quickly at a wireless level we're making an 802.11 connection right that's a layer 2 connection right there's no so that's all defined by an 802.11 spec well we also have a cat5 cable we've made a connection at a layer 2 with a cat5 cable between devices and we could also go out the WAN over a tunnel and make that connection out of a VPN type tunnel to connect mesh islands together so now they start having this layer 2 connection across all these physical media RF cables tunnels over the internet so we have a layer 2 now we need to start putting a layer 3 routing mechanism in place so OSR what it's going to do is it knows about all these interfaces on the node it's going to start sending out hello packets on a UDP 698 port broadcasting out hello packets on each of these interfaces anybody there so if we begin to have an RF connection on 802.11 and someone else is at that layer 2 and they're connected with an 802.11 connection the other guy's doing the same thing hello hello hello they're just sending out are you there are you there every second every 2 seconds just looking to discover so as soon as they hear back then they start exchanging the IP information of who they know about so they just start exchanging information with OSR and then they begin to set the routing tables of all the IP addresses all across the network that everybody knows about so every node knows about every IP address across every mesh node across that network as it begins to extend and then we then OSR creates routing tables now as you may know there's in Linux there's policy in routing tables there's not just one there can be many routing tables and then you have a search order through those routing tables you know to find the first hit for a route of where it goes to so OSR is now setting a routing table that says here's how I get to every other mesh node send it to the next top guy I know he's over here here's a routing table for a LAN of a node so if I ever get an IP address I'm trying to get to I've got a small subnet for that LAN and it routes it over to the LAN of that node mesh nodes are layer 3 routers it's not going to broadcast and flood a wireless network that reaches across 50 links in Southern California there was several hundred individual links on RF on the mesh here in Southern California if we had a broadcast go out we don't want to flood every single link just every all the nodes that are out there would just flood it and bring it to its knees so we can't broadcast packets going past a mesh node they're only going to route to specific IP addresses for the data as it goes through from end to end now one thing I didn't mention I probably wrote it here the IP addresses are all derived from the MAC you don't have to go in and set IP addresses on these device that's how they get coordinated so that it all works it's a random scheme based on the MAC address so each interface will get derived from that now if you look at how many possibilities there are in a class C 10.x subnet class C subnet millions a million or more for us to start worrying about having IP conflicts so we have plenty of growth room for what we're doing and then if we do we can manually override it I'm sorry class A thanks for correcting me class A address scheme but it's not a class A subnet per se there are many subnets defined at each land and then it's a layer 3 level routing scheme there's no netting in all of this by default so the question was is there any netting involved and not by default, no everything's just a 10.x address it is possible to create a land subnet that is a net that jumps to just like your home router a 192 type subnet and that is possible generally we don't do that because it limits you on if I had a VoIP phone there and I'm netted then I start getting more complexity with audio streams coming through that are being blocked going into that net into that 192 subnet so VoIP phones and other things it's more complicated to get it working with port forwarding and things like that so generally just leave it as a 10.x and it's open routing there's no firewalls inside the mesh network well the mesh nodes themselves the question was should we be thinking about firewall every mesh node is a firewall and is locked down to be able to access it so that you can't get in and relatively maliciously damage it very almost no ports are open except what's absolutely required and then there's no way to get into it to get control of it through that service port so let's talk about microwave characteristics here real quick we were talking about I think in one of the earlier ones RadioMobile is a good site to go to for the Fresno zone but let's talk about what does this mean to us or help us do and fundamentally the Fresno zone it's a cone from end to end it helps us visualize where a signal when it reflects is going to help when it arrives at the receiver or hurt when it gets to the receiver so the there's a formula you can look it up by the way the wiki site for this is terrible and almost misinformation on some of the Fresno information don't go there go to the RadioMobile site look for RadioMobile for that so if you look at the zone 1 that is a line where if the signal we're bouncing off that line and it goes into the receiver the phases of the signal add together it helps it at the receiver in fact you want signals to bounce off that line because the energy is coming back in and it adds and gets more signal the noise ratio at the receiver it helps the second zone the second line if a signal bounces off that and comes to the receiver it's 180 degrees out of phase it cancels out at the receiver you lose energy going into the receiver at that point it hurts you the third one you're back to it helps the fourth one it hurts you it's a picket fence kind of picture the energy where it is at the receiver side when you get out to the third and fourth zone lines we're getting far enough out that the energy is starting to get a lot smaller it's not playing a significant factor it's really the first, second, third ranges in there that you're concerned about but to give you an idea if you look at the picture on the left there between buildings with the truck under it that's 700 meters just under a kilometer so the first zone is 2.8 meters to give you a perspective on where that reflection point would be so if I look at that one that one's better because that truck pretty close to that line and anything that reflects off the top of that truck and gets the receiver is helping me it's adding to it and furthermore if it hit the side of the truck on the second zone it's not getting to the receiver it's not hurting and out of phase and subtracting from getting into the receiver so if you're from a wireless design perspective if you can run a signal where a top of the hill is right at the Fresnel zone 1 that hill's now blocking zone 2 that would hurt but it's letting everything in zone 1 that helps get into the receiver so if I look at the second scenario I've got a building there that's pretty close to the second zone line so if that energy bounces off that roof on the second zone and goes up to the receiver it's hurting me it's canceling out at the receiver so that's going to hurt so we want to avoid those kind of conditions probably the worst thing you can do would have a lake or body of water that's exactly at somewhere right around the second Fresnel zone distance and a link going across it so you have a reflection path that's hurting you so it's the even one second, fourth, sixth those are the bad ones fifth, those are the good ones that help got it okay so talk a little bit about the modulation characteristics of an 802.11 signal and what it means for for long distance links because it's very different than what's happening inside your house very short distances very short timing it's ricocheting off of everything in your house very complex of all the reflection signals but the timing of it inside your house is very very short compared to a 40 mile link so we have to think about some the timing is very important from a performance perspective so what is an 802.11 signal well it's not a spread spectrum signal for 802.11N A N 802.11B is a spread spectrum signal a very very different kind of modulation we don't do that anymore that's only a two gig spec for older devices nobody does that anymore so 802.11N it's got 64 carriers in the bandwidth and not all of those carriers have data on them they're modulated in a way to mitigate inter-channel interference and inter-carrier interference and modulated in a way that maximizes throughput in efficiencies so if I shrink it from a 20 megahertz channel which is what you have in your home and I shrink it to 10 I still end up with 64 carrier waves it still has an FFT chip in there that still has 64 bit or 64 point FFT that's still doing that it's still going to be 64 carrier waves no matter what bandwidth I have there so if I go from a 20 megahertz to a 10 I'm going to have the same energy and a little bit more signal-to-noise ratio still 64 carrier waves but to keep and this is very important we have to keep orthogonality which means that each carrier wave is not interfering with with another in a perfect environment and to keep orthogonality if I shrink it to 10 megahertz then what happens is I have to increase the symbol length how long I'm transmitting a symbol so each one of these rectangles on the floor represents a symbol so as I shrink it that symbol just got twice as long so from like a how much energy per bit I'm transmitting it's the same from 20 to 10 but I've shrunk it down and I get more signal-to-noise ratio I can get longer distance okay and then there's a guard interval that you can see here between the symbols we transmit a symbol we wait we have all this fading over a long distance so as we get out 40, 50, 60 miles that fading if the symbol was too short I got this ricochet energy coming in after the symbol supposed to be done I have to get longer symbol times the farther and farther away I get because that reflection energy will take longer to get there so everything has to get stretched out in the timing when we go to a long distance link that's why we go down to a 10 megahertz channel because if I stay on 20 first of all I have less signal-to-noise ratio because it's stretched the same power stretched over longer and my symbols timing is shorter so the fading and ricochet starts coming in after the symbol and I start getting more errors so bigger bandwidth not as much signal-to-noise ratio and the fading ricochets need more time to get there so that's why we have to go to shorter bandwidths on longer distance links question is absolutely great point as we are on the receiver end and we're in 10 megahertz we're now only dealing with half the noise but the other fact is because it's taking twice as long to transmit the symbol I only have half the data rate so we've jumped from so let's talk about data rates and see how the long distance begins to impact data rates so with 802.11 in MIMO multiple input-output we can do one data stream on MCS-0 through 7 that means that both antennas are sending the same data stream and both antennas are receiving the same data stream on the other side MCS-8 rates in 802.11 that's two antennas different data we're doubling up going out each polarity so we can get twice the data through that three data streams on long distance it's not optimal we're not going to do that and the reason is on a polarized radio wave when we send them at 90 degrees they they don't interfere with each other very much if I try to do three data streams I'd have to do 60 degrees and there'd be three planes of polarity well at 60 degrees they start interfering with each other more I get more data loss so it's not optimal for a long distance leak you're not going to find I don't even know if you can find any three polarity, three antenna long distance dishes probably we don't make them because it's not feasible or practical so at long distance links the signal to noise ratio it's king everything is depending on having enough signal to noise ratio at a long distance link to be able to receive that signal so at a long distance link if you don't have enough to do two data streams then it drops down to the mcs7 and sends both out both polarizations and combines them to have enough signal to noise ratio to decode it so these radios are just incredibly smart let's just look at the rates real quick I hope you can see it so these are the mcs rates defined in the spec from 0 to 15 and you can see mcs0 it's just a binary psk I got a radio carrier wave I'm modulating it the phase of it 180 degrees 0 or 1 and I'm just modulating it I go up a notch now I've got four different phases that I'm modulating them they're 25 degrees apart and I'm trying to detect that on the other side and then I just keep going up now we've got quadrature AM 16 all the way up to 64 we're getting more and more bits in a symbol that's going from end to end so you have to cut this in half this is a 20 MHz channel so if you cut it in half you'll get half of this on a 10 MHz channel so also the long guard interval between symbols we're not going to see that's the 800 nanosecond interval that's the long one the short is the 400 you're not going to see short it's just not enough time in there in long distances so everything's going to be under the 130 at the 20 or divide that by 2 65 for the max you'll get but we absolutely get the max 65 Mbps on 40 mile lengths it definitely okay now in the driver in this HHH9K driver about 10% of the packets it searches around at these rates to find out which one gives me the best throughput so it measures it in real time of the data you're sending and it keeps in the metrics that it shows you look like this this is an actual table of a 40 mile link from Pleasant Peak to Ukipa and the A on the best rate that's the first choice B's the second C's and so on and you can see the actual success statistics and the attempts of packets looking around on which rates to use so these drivers are incredibly smart and this is to a specific station if I had multiple stations out there it keeps this statistics on every station every packet it sends out to a different station could be at a different modulation scheme and rate and error correction coding every other packet it's amazing on how smart these things are getting and every imaginable kind of coverage on the antenna we've seen a lot of these today from the dishes to sectors here's the micro tech HAPAC light that we've been talking a lot about so we bring it all together we've got all these mesh nodes on a tower some are point to point some are sector coverage we just run them down with the network cables into the radio room and we go up to these radio rooms and we have people with cabinets of radio gear and inductors and matching the antennas and we've got one little switch so all we have we're not dealing with RF coming down into the radio tower we're just dealing with just standard network traffic and power over ethernet this is why microwave links 10, 15, 20 years ago hundreds of thousands of dollars T1 1.54 megabits per second they had RF coming down into the radio room this has been disruptive technology by ubiquity and micro tech and others in the last 10, 15 years that are just replacing all that and it's also replacing if you look at what the FCC is doing they're looking at proposals for the frequencies from in 5 gig from your unlicensed frequencies all the way up past through 6 gigahertz to convert that entire range into 802.11 in technology because the older licensing that is very, very inefficient is just not using the resource very well and this technology is beginning to take hold on all industries in all microwave data communications all broadcasts with audio and digital TV is all OFDM it is becoming the king of the standard now your audio and TV broadcasts are not 64 carrier waves they've got a lot more in there there's some different applications of it that are specialized for those technologies 802.11 is standard on that on this 64 carrier waves generally as we go deploy these you're going to start out with is that showing you're going to start out with some fixed backbone node out there at a tower site you've got a remote mountaintop so now you can get different counties talking to each other you've got a hospital over there you've got a ham deployed in a shelter you can now communicate to them you can have your station set up and go to any incident site anywhere in orange county literally and do exactly this we've got the emergency operation centers and police departments with the ability to do this kind of data communication for them let's say you don't have a direct line of sight up to your fixed backbone link well then you can have a relay node that you can set up to bounce around it or get around obstacles many doing mesh or having go stations to go kits for being able to do this note this one fixed or deployed relay node it's got two antennas on it specialized for that it might be a little local cell coverage to get several stations out there different channels we just need different channels to maximize throughput could we do this all in one channel yes we can only transmit one place and if they have any they can get any energy between any of these links to any other then only one guided time can transmit then you've got things like hidden nodes where we can't see other nodes but we couldn't both transmit the same time to the tower all those issues come into play but generally to maximize throughput you want to isolate a channel for each major pathway coverage area backbone link downlink to a cell coverage area and then of course it can grow like this within three years without having this kind of definition where it auto configures and assigns IP addresses and automatically establishes routing we would never be able to grow like this that we have in the three years that since it started so we expect in another three years we'll probably be linked with Phoenix and Las Vegas and pushing up to the Bay Area and Fresno there's groups in all those areas and we're getting to the point we're going to be meeting in the middle so I got a whole bunch of pictures here just to give you some ideas about what's out there some of these you've been seeing before but here's for example backbone links high grounds this is a palomar it's actually just slightly larger than 48 miles and this is doing upwards of 50 megabits on this link I'll have to look at that actual rate table so we can kind of see what it's doing and bring it out these are generally going to be your two foot dishes you know rocket dish to get that kind of distance and you're going to be in this particularly if it's on a tower site and you have to pay a climber you're going to be in it for hundreds to thousand plus dollars to get this up on a 100 foot tower this happens to be somebody's home in Palomar and they can just walk out and put it up so it's just you know no cost not a commercial site easy access to it here's your sectors so that you can do sector covers coverage 120 degree 90 60 you know they make antennas for everything here's all the tower sites this is Elsinore peak that one of those might be Mount Ote I'm not sure what the other site is this is the one from or showed this earlier at their Camarillo Hills is that right or yeah out in the wild node on solar this is when I'm running total solar out in the wild captured a fox one day on motion detect going by there this is just a couple of RV batteries Walmart you know 105 hour amp batteries amp hour batteries I've got a 300 watt solar panel there solar panels a little more than I need the reason I have it is it can still generate enough power under clouds just to run three nodes a camera and a raspberry pie it's drawing a little over an amp of power on a 12 volt volt system and this site's been live for over a couple of years 2024 by seven here's one in Redlands on a top of a tower so it just has a base plate one of the tanks and a base plate with bricks weight on it and goes up I think that might have been a field day on the left just set that up and that's a nano station but you can buy reflectors low cost reflectors to increase the take a 45 degree sector and then turn it into a spot beam to focus all the energy and get much longer distances so that that gives you kind of a dual purpose device if you need to use something for wider coverage or or do a spot beam with that question so the raspberry pies at my side if that's what you're talking about so you said the question is is what do we use the raspberry pie for at these sites in my case I'm using the raspberry pie to the charge controller so it's a service provider right so application hosting and I'm pulling from the charge controller all of the charge information battery health and everything and now and then I can download and do my charts as to the charge condition and health of the solar site but I could host lots of other things on that at that site like mesh chat or a PBX or whatever right we can put it we put it at a 24 by 7 central site we minimize traffic across the network and we get more high availability that the site's intended to be the one on the right here that's just a nano station you know someone either an apartment or they have an office and they just put it on the window but the interesting thing about this is the RF energy and the haze how it's cleared all of the haze off of the window from the RF energy so in public service so every year I think it's the fifth year now at least for probably the fifth year San Juan Capistrano has an annual parade they call it the Swallows Day Parade and they bring in the Orange County Big Rig this is a huge semi tractor truck mobile command center for Orange County Sheriff with these huge slide outs and what we do is we put cameras all around the parade route and we stream them all into into the mobile command center so you can see here are the pictures all along the parade route here's the camera hiding up here I think it's on this pole might be just out of sight there that's just out of a truck along the parade route and one's behind on the far left that's behind the Swallows Bar where there's lots of gang activity literally captured people getting punched and knocked out and arrested and that sort of thing and the video actually going for the police reports and all the activities beyond that so we space them all around we generally have about six cameras and then we this is inside the Orange County mobile command center you can see in the back there's Dispatch Center so they're managing 60, 70, 100,000 people it's pretty big everybody comes into the parade in that area very congested wifi doesn't work all that great when you have all these 100,000 people in that area so in the ham channels we have clear sailing we can stream all this in with no problem what this did is it gives the sheriff situational awareness before this video they were waiting for officers to radio back what's happening if there's a crowd issue, if there's a gang fight or some situations going on they have no idea they're waiting to hear back with this they're just watching it they can see crowd conditions they have situational awareness they love it, they come to us every year and we're providing this service so we're kind of irregulars in it this is in two weeks so we're down there in San Juan Cap if you're down there give me a call we can slip you in to see the inside here of the mobile command center if you have any interest in seeing any of that some of the applications putting it all together with just spinning up this network literally the night before and streaming this all into and putting it on the big screens in a mobile command center very good I have gone quite a ways we still have a few minutes if you want to for questions or any issues and get into any of that technical detail I can make them available I'll get them on the Arden website they usually post a lot of the presentations that we do there so I'll get that up there as well this is in two weeks this yeah, when's Baker to Vegas of March okay so they're the same same times yeah, interesting so the question is just timing of events in the area LA Marathon in Vegas and the Swalls Day Parade are all the same weekends so we've got to stretch stretch out they're different counties okay so yeah this common question that comes up the question was how do we deal with security encryption just to kind of little history real quickly the Part 97 licensing doesn't have the word encryption but what it does say and where it came out of is World War II and Cold War area where what it does say is we can't obscure messages that's the language of obscure that's used in there I think the key there is is these were these were created in World War II and the Cold War the bottom line is is that they need to be modernized for today's technology and for the risks and security concerns of today today the concern would be we need to encrypt because of the ability to be damaged or hurt infected from that but the rules are going to need some time to catch up to doing that now today we do understand obscured information we don't obscure it but for example when we talk on a voice radio the hospital will obscure patient and sensitive information and will transmit that obscured information to a destination as that entity asked us to do we're not going to we're not obscuring it if the Red Cross if the Orange County Sheriff came to me with this mobile command center and they said yet my dispatch and my data network connected back to their data center at Loma Ridge in Orange County and they wanted to do a VPN tunnel over this network and they needed to do that for the services I would do that the entities asked me to do it it's fulfilling our purpose and of course when there's an emergency all the rules fall out the window in an emergency situation so it is controversial you will find some people that are very you know I'm going to literally interpret it and I shouldn't be doing that you're going to find people on the other end of that so you will find people in those so for me I want to serve the purpose and if I need to I will I wouldn't recommend on a daily basis doing encryption to do encryption we don't need to if we had a threat or a reason to then I would otherwise I don't want to make change to the rules in an appropriate way that's right I wouldn't want to the question here is about authentication and command and control of a remote node that's on this network so put in context with amateur satellites there has been part 97 rules that support encryption for command and control of a satellite if somebody were to maliciously do something the cost is very high to the community if they were to damage that it would make it unusable we apply that I think most of this that manage nodes apply the same understanding with a mesh node up at the tower site I use SSH all the time to go to that node and do administrative work on it so I do do that correct question so the question is what is the cost of a dish at a 40 mile link so to give you an example we hired a very expensive tower climber at Elsinore Peak to put in a dish for us and we didn't get the link rates that we expected and we were a little rushed and getting things in we were running out of daylight to try to come back to it and fine tune it so we started looking around a little bit out of this 40 mile link on a rocket dish and we expected 65 we expected that so we started looking around a little bit and I took a picture of it from the side profile and that dish was literally 10, 15 degrees pointing in the air we're still getting 28, 30 megabit link rates and you know these dishes at 40 miles if you have a 3 or these are typically like a 5 degree beam width at 40 miles that 5 degree beam width could be 10 miles I don't know 5 to 10 miles I don't know what it is but pretty wide but certainly you want to you can tune it in so and tune it it's just time and attention so the question was there's an easy way you're on your roof to get it tuned right if you're pointing up to a tower site somewhere so in the nightly builds there's now a new audio feature and a signal to ratio chart so what you can do is you can access it over wifi or on your phone or you just turn the volume up on your computer and as the frequency audio goes up it's more signal to noise as it goes down direct TV has this for some of theirs you just turn up the volume loud enough so you can hear it when you're on the antenna and then you just the highest pitch you've peaked it out question


One thing that I've seen consistently with the students that I take out for like live training and coaching is that they have trouble generating interest and maintaining interest right off the bat and a lot of guys will call this They'll call this hooking the set and I don't really like to use the those pickup terms But how do you generate that interest right off the bat and maintain that interest because a lot of times they'll just talk to the girl for a little bit and Then the conversation will eventually die out and then they'll kind of come back to me and wonder what happened But when I would talk to these girls the girls would be interested that a lot of times they'd follow us around and you know Some of them are even asking for my number and stuff like that. So what was going on? What was I doing differently than them? Well, I know exactly what I was doing differently than them because I used to have this problem too So I get guys that are better looking to me and I get guys that are worse looking for me worse looking worse looking to Me but consistently across the board what they weren't doing that I was doing is they weren't providing enough value When you come into an interaction need to provide value and that's why a girl keeps talking to Whatever shape or form that takes so start asking yourself that question How can I provide value to these interactions and it can be a little bit tough at the beginning? She doesn't really know much about you. She doesn't know where you come or what you do So how do you provide value right off the bat? Well the easiest way or the best way is to be fun Okay, provide fun when people go out That's the number one thing that they're trying to do women are trying to have fun when they go out You know, that's the number one thing, you know, and sometimes they're trying to find a guy as well But fun still comes first and fun should be the first thing that you're going after as well So a lot of times I'll get guys that will be in a position. They're like, oh, I just I don't know what to do I don't know what the next step is they'll reach a point in the conversation They're run out of things to say or they just get kind of feels kind of awkward or there's a Dead silence and then they just kind of like back up and they're just like all right Well, it was nice to meet you and then they leave Okay, when you're in that situation, don't ask yourself. What's the next step? Ask yourself. What would be fun for the both of us and you start asking yourself that question more and more You start figuring out. What are some fun things to do while you're out? Okay in the night life or at bars and stuff like that There's tons of options. I've been doing this for a long time. So I know what I like to do I know what's fun and so I can answer this question pretty easily and I'm providing that right off the bat now There's a number of different ways that you can provide Fun for people really quickly on the interaction first of all you can just provide just by coming in with a little bit of Enthusiasm can go a long way Providing humor making funny jokes. One of my favorite things to do is I love teasing. I love teasing people I love making fun of other people that are around us and so that provides a game that provides enjoyment laughter All of these things are good All of these things are valuable when you're when you're looking you're trying to have a good time when you're out Most people are bored honestly when they're just sitting there Okay, so these things can definitely help also being interested in what they have to say having interesting conversations is good too So being a good talker can definitely help with this and I'm a great talker But this doesn't compare to the next point that I'm gonna make which is Knowing your area knowing fun activities to do at the bar that you're at or knowing cool places to go That is gonna be the ultimate value provider right there That's something that girls aren't gonna be able to have especially if they're visiting Especially if they don't know the area that well and you know the area That is some real value that you can provide right off the bat the bar that we are at Over the weekend had like an arcade in the background. Sorry. I had an arcade in the back It had like pinball machines. I like a miss Pac-Man set It had some shooter game It had that it had a dance floor it had photo booth, which you know, maybe not right away, but It had an area where you could sit down you can come be my friends There was a bunch of fun stuff that those if I'm talking to a group of girls that they can do with us a Tons of if they're just staying there wondering what to do I got plenty of fun awesome options who wouldn't want to come with that who wouldn't want a fun Experience to go with and that is gonna separate you from 90% of the guys out there because sure you can be a guy who You know, if you think you're good-looking or whatever you think you're funny But there's gonna be other guys that are you know, probably good-looking and funny too what you can provide is provide a fun Experience that's what most guys don't know how to do and they're kind of clueless when they're out So if you know this you know your area You know where all the fun stuff are then you can lead people to do those fun things and people are gonna follow you because They're trying to have fun too So a lot of times I would get these girls not only interested But I would get them to follow me around and then they see me leading they see me leading the group They see me taking them to all these fun places They they feel an enjoyment and a good experience when they're hanging out with me like no wonder a lot of them Were attracted to me When we were doing this sort of thing and I wasn't able to do this at first because I wasn't asking myself that question about how to Have fun You need to develop skills to be able to enjoy yourself when you're out and once you start doing this a lot of this pickup You know a lot of these pickup step-by-step things that you're following that are like making your brain hurt A lot of them are gonna go away your results are gonna go up And you're gonna be a lot happier when you go out to trust me So if when it comes time to to figure out what to do like let's say a perfect example is like the end of the night Let's say you're talking to some girls sounds like they're interested. They're they're attracted to you But 2 a.m. Rolls around bars closing up. What do you do?  They don't know you will enough They want to keep partying or they want to have some more good times There's plenty of options that I have available like there's usually a diner down the street that we can go eat at There's usually an after couple after parties that I know about You know, we can go to back to my place play some board games have a couple drinks or something like that I have fun shit plan and that's why people stick around and hang out with me And that's why I was able to create interest and keep the interest going right off the bat So that's what I would invite you guys to do is remember when you're going out people are trying to have fun So learn how to be a fun person when you're out, okay? Ask yourself that question not what is the next step ask yourself what would be fun for the both of us to do and know the areas that you're going out into like look at the If you're at a bar or if you're at a party or something like that look for fun stuff to do find out what you like to do What's enjoyable for you because you know a lot of the rule when it comes to dating is whatever you feel She feels then you're gonna be able to give her a better experience. You're gonna have a lot more fun She's gonna have a lot more fun too. She's gonna be a lot more attracted to you because of it So that's all I have to say about this you guys if you made today and consider subscribing and come out with videos like this every single week If you have any questions that you'd like me to answer put them in the comment section below or shoot me an email If you're interested in my mentorship program, shoot me an email to the single guy 2017 at dmail.com Thanks a lot you guys


I would add, okay, so if we're gonna, Anthony just gave a talk on psychopaths. I talked about dark triads, right? I talked about dark triads.   Stop saying, okay, I'm the main. There could be some insecurity on your side, right? But you gotta check her. Is she doing this to play games? There's a Machiavellian thing going on. This is one of the most common techniques of women in clubs, is to manipulate men using jealousy. It's one of the easiest powers they have to create that. And they like to have guys fighting amongst each other for themselves and talking about it in the back. So if it's a relationship that you want to have, you wanna openly flirt with other girls, she can openly flirt with other guys, that's cool, in which case you probably won't get so jealous. But if it's a situation where you're gonna get into an exclusive arrangement and she's flirting with other guys, you have to question her as well. Not like actually interrogator, but to ask yourself, is this the woman you wanna be in a relationship with? Because I'll tell you, it's a symptom of a deeper problem in her as well. So just put that out there. Yeah, did you wanna say something?  So I'm gonna take a totally different angle. Man, my girlfriend flirts with people, people flirt with her. I let it happen, if I get jealous, I address it, we work it out. You communicate. Jealousy isn't about being weak, it doesn't necessarily mean somebody's manipulating you either. That could be, so you have to determine. I mean, you see there's a range of stuff here.  But is when they say you frame it out or you gotta be tough or you can somehow have some confidence, not me, you're a human being, be that first and then work on your definition of masculinity and your relationship to communicate what's appropriate with your partner and how you're gonna exist, right? So that's it. And then also, if you're not coming from a place of scarcity, that also becomes a lot less powerful and painful because I have a girlfriend now and I know if things don't work out, I'll be okay. Like she's awesome, coolest chick I've ever met, but if things don't work out, I'll be okay. So once you get to that higher level in the confidence, then it's not really even an issue at all. If she flirts and guys are talking to her, I sit back and enjoy the show and I see it. And then also if the guy ends up leaving with her, I'm like, ah, man, he deserves her more than me. Good job, bro. I guess I gotta level up. Yeah, yeah.   All that stuff, just to emphasize something David said, it's all about the agreements, right? So the problem usually is people aren't clear on their agreements. Like if you want, if you agree to be monogamous with somebody and you're both like, yeah, that's cool, then yeah, she shouldn't be running around flirting. But if that's not what you want, don't make that agreement.   That's retarded, I would never say that. But so just be careful what you agree to and if you haven't agreed to it, then don't expect it. And if you have agreed to it, then stick to it, right? It's really that simple. Do you have just one last thing? Yeah, it's cute. Behold the power of the feminine, but you're the masculine, so your focus is on strength. So isn't that what you love about her? The fact that she does do that and she, you know, she has that power, her divine feminine. So when you feel that feeling, focus on your divine masculine, you know, we're all born with emotions. Jealousy isn't necessarily a bad emotion. It's part of who we are, it's part of what makes us human. All the negative emotions are. They're our dark side. So they're often where we can learn lessons too. I wish you all the success with that.


My brother. I'll have a little bit for that. Thank you. Thank you. What's that? 5,000. I appreciate it. Turn it up, man. Thank you all for being there. It's your first time here. We've been talking about this for a minute. Yeah, it was our first time having a lounge in here. Yeah. We didn't snuck into plenty of these. Yeah, we have been here. It's kind of flotto now, the way y'all got this thing kind of set up here. But this is all our first time, including one music fest in Piedmont, in the heart of the city of ATL. Like, that's lit. What does that mean for you and the whole entire festival to be putting it all in one of the biggest event spaces of Atlanta?   I mean, it is the heart of Atlanta. I mean, it's the perfect landscape and canvas to kind of create an incredible experience, you know? So being here was always the vision, always a dream. So it's kind of surreal, just kind of seeing it all come together. And folks out there, beautiful, man. Having a good time, you know what I'm saying? Making new friendships, new connections. I got backwards here. I got 85, south here. Yes, yes. I mean, this is black culture at its best. We've literally been saying it all weekend, like it feel like a cookout. Like we had at our cousins' cookout or something. I'm not going to glad you brought that up because I was going to see, I know this is the last day for this one, but I need about 75 passes. 75. For old black men to set up grills throughout the spot. Only thing missing is the smoke. I almost, I got a gang of uncles who want to pull up out there with trucks and sell ribs, sandwiches, and chopped pork. We'll wrap about that later on. I got some ideas. I see the vision on your desk. You know what I'm saying? They got to have on the black socks and sandals. They got to have the whole look. Yeah, I see it. Towel on the shoulder. Come on now. Yeah. Now this is what's been really the biggest surprise to me. I know it's a lot of invited guests here, a lot of invited performers. But it's a lot of people popping up, a lot of special guests, a lot of people backstage. Man, have you seen anybody here that you was like, oh, it's my guy? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I only found out two days before it happened. But you know, J Cole coming and hopping on stage with Janet. J Cole was legendary. Yeah, that was one of those things that just kind of came together at the last minute. But do the security, man. Now we kind of know who's floating around back here. Word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Word. I love how that security is, it looked like a Falcons game back here. Gotta keep us safe, man. It's not even just about, like, not just the safety, just the people who in positions, and they taking it real serious. There's a few ladies who won't let nobody go past where they stand. The women's security out here is not planned. That's right. Ain't nobody said nobody come back here. I don't care about the wristbands or none of that. You got a lot of crazy fans, man. So we got to make sure y'all safe back here, man. You know what I'm saying? I surely appreciate that. So we got to keep y'all secure. Now you've always held one music fest in Atlanta.  You're from New York. Why did you choose Atlanta as a place to start one music fest and continue to make it its home? That's a good question. I mean, honestly, if you think about it, I don't think one music fest could have started anywhere but Atlanta. But I moved to Atlanta when I was in ninth grade. I mean, I went to Miller Grove and Renan. I used to go there. That's kind of Atlanta as you go. Yeah, that's cool. So I mean, I think Atlanta is a perfect backdrop, man. I mean, this is baby Wakanda, for real. You know what I'm saying?   Could this have happened in New York? Honestly, probably not. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think this, I think Atlanta sets the perfect stage for one music fest and also a stage to let the world realize that black culture is bigger than what media depicts on television and everything else. Atlanta is just one of them cities, man. Like you said, the black excellence. That's right.  And you just feel like. Busting their legal uterine. Yeah. It's just beautiful, man. That blackness, ultimate blackness. Yeah. That Janet Jackson set last night was crazy. But she crushed it, bro. She crushed it, man. You know what I'm saying? I think she was also a little excited about being there, man.  I mean, when the last time we seen the Kodak Black fan club at a Janet Jackson show, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I think that's the other thing. It's the unity, man. How we just try to take different pockets of our culture and just bring them together in a safe space to feel celebrated. You know what I'm saying? Well, you know, people always ask you when you have things like this. It's like, did you ever see it this big? I'm going to be truthful. When we started building this thing out, I never limited it. You know what I'm saying? I never said how big it can go. I mean, I was inspired by Bonnaroo, by Lollapalooza, by Coachella, you know what I'm saying? The first one only had like 2,500 people, you know what I'm saying? We got 100,000 people this weekend, man. So can it go bigger? Possibly. I'd love to see it bigger, man. So I think too many times Black folks who put limitations on how big something can be and how far it can go, I never did that with this brand, man. So I think this is a good showing of don't limit yourself, man. Just keep going. It's truly amazing to see what you put together. I appreciate it. I see the trickle-down effect. So once Beyoncé went on tour with Renaissance, they created a term called a halo effect, meaning all the businesses that reap benefits because of this event being taken place here. So it's like, it's given opportunities to other business owners, entrepreneurs. Like artists, nail-takes, you know, stylists, all these people that are employed. But even specifically, I know that you yourself made it a point to do that with One Music Face in general. We partner with Black brands and other businesses. So tell us about like, what partnerships you made sure that you wanted to implement? No, that's another great question. But I mean, we got an entire market, Merchant Village out there with over 50 different Black owned brands. Majority of our food vendors and food trucks are Black owned as well. I mean, the economic impact to Atlanta is over $25 million that we just bring to the city. That's a big deal, you know what I'm saying? So that's hospitality. That's a valet. That's hotels. That's Airbnb. That's rent-a-cars. You see my boys out here hustling in the parking. Come on out. I don't want to interrupt, but I love that you literally got to come right through 4-4 to get over here. That's right. You don't pass through the hood coming over here. And that's so beautiful as an Atlanta native, like I was telling Los when we were riding over, like my mama grew up on Boulevard, you know what I mean? Little girl on the project. So just to be riding through to come to a Black owned event at this magnitude and to be as a creator, a Black creative, doing dope work with brands that see the potential and the value in us, it's a surreal moment. It is, absolutely.  Some of the other brands that we work with, we got Procter and Gamble out here. We got Coca-Cola and Sprite out here. The executives that's out here from those companies that understand the importance of this are Black. We've been pushing One Music Fest to brands for years. But the problem is the people that was in those offices that we were talking to don't look like us. So they don't understand the value. We set the trends, you know what I'm saying? From goddamn the TVs in your car. We was doing that before it was called the entertainment package. 20s, 20s is a start for us now, exactly. You want the factory package or you want the sport package? We started that, you know what I'm saying? So we set the trends, but we don't get credit for that. So certain executives understand our importance to the culture, to economics, to the economy. So they understand the points of what we're doing here in Black culture altogether. I think it takes other Black creatives like yourself that start ideas to make sure they're intentional about incorporating us and highlighting us in the best way possible the entire way through. And I know that you also have an HBCU background graduating from FAMU. So did that go into an HBCU ever shape your mind or thought process when it came to how you went about your business?   But I ain't never seen nothing like FAMU at that age. I saw FAMU for the first time when I was like 15. I saw the campus, beautiful Black people everywhere, educated Black folks, palm trees. It blew my mind. You know, I was meeting Black folks from Portland, Black folks from London, Black folks from Toronto. You know what I'm saying? Delaware. Delaware. Folks you don't, you know? So understanding that the different cultures and energies of that Black experience in different cities, they're all culminating in one spot in Tallahassee, Florida. But you know what, it was very similar to one music fest.  And I was really one of the reasons for one music fest as well. How do I bring us all together, you know what I'm saying? And kind of create that connectivity. And I just think so much powerful stuff comes from connectivity and that intersection of Blackness and culture. How hard was it to miss fam, you homecoming this year? Bruh. You got the one music fest the same weekend. Bruh. Yeah, I got a call from the university.   But it was the only weekend that was available for P mom Park to do it. So my wife went to Spelman. They homecoming this weekend. Fam uses weekend. So yeah, I was getting it left and right, man. But yeah, but actually this is a homecoming, man. You know what I'm saying? You know, we got my kids, 11 years old running around out here. My mom's out here. Working. You know what I'm saying? Wilding out, you know what I'm saying? Smelling the, you know. Smelling the essence. Yeah, all the essence, you know, in the element. You know what I'm saying? And that's what a homecoming is. It's multi-generational. It's music. It's fun. It's food. And connectivity. Yeah. Now, who's doing the official merch for one music fest? Who's doing the official merch? Yeah, because I got this company that I want to pitch. Yeah? Yeah. I heard about them. No, I'm just letting you know. Yeah. We should figure that out. I'll connect you with my people. You got somebody. Yeah, I got a great team. Well, please connect us. We can figure that out. I'll connect you with them. Yeah, I heard you got some dope designers on your squad. Most definitely do. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's 100,000 people. That's a lot of bodies. We're missing out on some revenue. We can't be missing no revenue. Oh, yeah. That's the business, man. He's seen the numbers. You say the numbers, he's seen the numbers. Yeah, he's been visionary. Yeah, yeah. Now, this has been amazing. I think that it's just so dope just to, like, really, how does your family take it all in? Like you said, they're running around on here. They enjoying the party. Do your kids really realize the impact that you are having on a culture when it's an event like this? Or do they not really know you? I think it's like, I think when you were a kid, I think you were in certain environments and you know, it just feels special. So I know it, to them, it feels special. But representation is hella important, you know what I'm saying? So for them to see this at a young age, you know, black businesses, entrepreneurs, black talent and to see it in a safe environment like this, you know, I think it's important for them to see and experience, you know what I'm saying?  I was gonna say, even as adults, like me and my homegirl, she another host, radio personality. We stopped over here yesterday and we just stopped for a second and looked around.  That I can see, like, everybody where I can see is black. This is dope. We get money and we have fun and we enjoy ourselves. We safe. So it's like, even as adults, like you said, because we didn't grow up with it and see it. We're like, man, this is amazing. And it really empowers us as people to know that we can because I think black businesses or events sometimes get such a bad rep with our customer service or if we have the logistics down all the way right the first time. But what advice would you give to other creatives or entrepreneurs that's starting and it's like, hey, maybe I don't got it all together right now, but I'm trying to figure it out because One Music Best didn't start at P-Mind. Nah, not at all. I would say persistence to keep going. You know what I'm saying? I mean, when y'all started the podcast, like how many listeners, how many streams y'all getting? Like that's a real question. Versus like, what we all at now? But I think the name of the game is consistency. You know what I'm saying? And you knew the end game. I don't know if you, that you's gonna be selling millions of dollars of merch. I'm saying a number, sir. I'm sorry. Let me not blow here. Security. We did all right. But y'all had no idea that it's gonna lead to tours. That it's gonna lead to the merch business. That it's gonna lead to having your own digital platform. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's consistency, man. I think it's, you gonna hit some bumps. You know what I'm saying? Y'all done changed the office, the location of the studios for whatever reason. We changed location for the festival for whatever reason. I mean, hell, we lost money the first five years. And if I were to stop, shit, we would be, obviously we wouldn't be sitting here right now. So I think it's just consistency. A lot of times we try to talk to people that's, I don't wanna say above us, but maybe more powerful and in a better position. More resources. More resources, but sometimes the resources are, it's just looking left and right. And that's what I had to do. Cause initially with the idea, you know what I'm saying?   I said, all right, cool. And these are folks that didn't look like us. And so I said, let me just go to the homies then. My homie over here, he's in the music industry. My homie over here owns a couple of venues. My homie over here has a transportation business. My homie over here understands lights and production. Well, hell, why can't we just figure this out together? We gotta pull together. We gotta pull together. My mayor black, let me call and get the permits from them and the license that I need. So I just use the resources around me.  And that's really what it was. It's just staying consistent and sometimes looking lateral instead of looking up all the time. So what's the next step? Are we gonna take this thing to the media? Are we gonna put One Music Fest on? Is it a TV show? Is it a live stream? Is it a live stream? What's the next step? That it, yeah. So definitely, so we got a few folks out here now that's kinda examining One Music Fest for the live stream experience. So I would say next year probably will be live stream. We're gonna do a spinoff event in the Southwest as well. And there's a lot of cameras out there. So there's a documentary being discussed and put together now as well, yeah. Would you be interested in doing like a One Music Fest like an old school type? An old school joint. Like an oldies one music. We just had elder bars. We had elder bars. I was jamming way on the bars. I'm not saying the whole joint. But like, that's something like Ozzy Brothers, just us. Classics. Patty. Classics. Yeah. Give me an example of the classics. That clean up, that Saturday morning clean up music. Like I'm telling you the people. Like you got the Jill Scott's, you got Patty LaBelle's. You got Diana Ross. You got elder bars. You got Ozzy Brothers. Like this, you know. I think so I do think that I think that exists to a point. I think that already exists. But I love the idea of having. Not the Jay Carter version though. But this is the Jay Carter version, right? So it is Janet Jackson. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the power of it, man. Like when you go to like a festival like at No Shade to roll in loud, you know what I'm saying? And ain't nobody even rollin' loud. Oh, they rollin' loud on that motherfucker. They rollin'. But it's young, right? Right.  You know what I'm saying? But I think when you have, you know, an experience where you got a Semino fan base, a Megan fan base that also can pull up and enjoy somebody like an elder ball. Somebody like Janet Jackson. Somebody like a big daddy cane on the other stage.  Right. You know what I'm saying? Like open these young minds up to like, yeah, that sample you heard on that track that you love, that Travis track. Yeah, that was elder ball as young cat. Yeah, that came from Brand Nubian, who just performed on that stage. So I think this... Yeah, I saw Brand Nubian out here yesterday. So yeah, Poo was just walkin' around. Just a dot X came over here. Oh, okay. Y'all grab him. Lord Jamar, that's how it came through. On his couch? Yeah, they came through.  That was awesome. That's what it's supposed to be, man. Were you intentional about that from the start of it, though? Like I wanted to be all inclusive of hip hop. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, the tagline from day one was unity through music. And I think there's so much more power that we gain from collaborative efforts. You know what I'm saying? So if I only move in certain spaces that I'm only gonna get what I'm gonna get from that group. You know what I'm saying? But now if I put y'all in a space with... Y'all got Procter & Gamble standing over here. Procter & Gamble is the biggest advertiser, not in America, in the world. In the world. Like they dwarf everybody in marketing dollars by billions of dollars. You know what I'm saying? Like, would you be in that space at a rolling loud? Probably not. Probably not. You need to tell them to come over here and holler at me. And sit on the couch. And bring me about $600 million. I got some stuff I need to advertise. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's being... I think getting out of what we're used to and being in different spaces is... Yeah, but like you said, we need the spaces to be able to do that. Absolutely. That's what it... No, it is that for sure. And I think you don't even realize how you do need it because as a creative myself and other musician, young musician, money long, we were over there watching Janet last night. Yeah, she got it too. And we were like, this is so amazing that we get to learn from... And she's telling me how she's learning as an artist right now watching her. And I'm telling her like, even as a creative, I'm learning from her performance and how she's engaging it. Other little things. So like you said, just bridging that gap even as on the creative side, like to bring older school and new school or just, you know what I mean? Wrapping it all together. That's really dope. I like how intentional you were throughout the entire process. Thank you. Thank you. Man, and after seeing how you rock and how you put stuff together, I hate that it's only one time that we get to come here and kick it out. Yeah. So do I, man. So do I. This need to be quarterly, man. It's a large undertaking, man. So it's hell just to put this one together. No. But we got another one coming. So we want to be one in the spring and then we want to have this in the fall. Okay. The double up. Yeah, absolutely. What you want to leave us with all day long. All day long, man. Yeah. So when you're going to turn off the mics, you just have fun, man. We do that in between guests. We working right now. Yeah. This is for the culture. We are documenting. Okay. And then it's not like we're sitting over here and we're not doing something important. This has to be done. I understand. Somebody has to be here, especially with the way that media is going. Somebody got to be here grabbing people, getting some tidbits, getting some drops and, you know, documenting this. I agree. They might look at this footage 50 years from now. That's right.  You see what he said on there? Yeah. I appreciate it. And it's not often that you get to have these type of talks with the people in charge. Behind the scenes. Behind the scenes. We can pull up. Yeah, man. So we're making history, too. Yes, we are. And you all are very important to the culture and history as well, man. And to media. And to media. We need these voices and these channels. Absolutely. Most definitely. Thank you all. We most definitely appreciate you pulling up to the Backwoods Lounge backstage. Yep. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you. And we out of here, man. 85 South Show. Bre Renee. Jake Carter. Backwoods backstage. We out.