We're back here at HP Discover in Las Vegas. This is HP Discover 2013. This is Silicon Angles theCUBE, our flagship program to go out to the event. Extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of Silicon Angles. I'm George, my co-host. Hi everybody, I'm Dave Vellante of Wikibon.org. Sargillia is here. He's the senior vice president, general manager of HP's Converged Cloud. Sar, welcome back to theCUBE. Good to see you again. Great to be here again. So, lots been going on in your world. Oh yeah, we're having a lot of fun. What's the most fun? theCUBE, right? Coming to these interviews is the most fun. I always look forward to coming here and hanging out with you guys. Okay, that's a sound bite. We'll take those and test them out. The cloud's an interesting place. It's moving at very high speed. I think we are at the top of it. We're at the front end of the innovation. We're working on OpenStack and our cloud of whistles announced today. So I think it's a lot of fun because it's very dynamic. It's always fun to be in an environment where things are moving very fast. And then cloud, everything is moving very fast. So it's fun. So what's the meaning behind Converged Cloud? Talk about that a little bit. Sure. Well, we've talked about this before, but in general, when we look at how cloud is going to evolve, we believe that the world's going to be a hybrid world. We don't believe that there's going to be one deployment. It's not all going to be public cloud. It's not all going to be managed cloud. It's not all going to be private cloud. People are going to have a hybrid environment. And so when we talk about Converged Cloud, what we mean is that you have one architecture, one experience model across the entire gamut of deployment models, whether it's public, private, or managed. And so that's the right, the meaning of Converged Cloud. Now, the good news from HPE is we actually have solutions across all of that, whether it's services to get you on the cloud, a cloud system for private cloud, our cloud services business unit that gives you public cloud, or our enterprise ECS public cloud. So we have solutions for all of them, but the idea of Converged Cloud is to have those solutions be holistic based on one architecture. So customers have portability and a common user experience. So the value cloud is what we were talking about it here in theCUBE earlier. Also when Jeff Frick and I were at OpenStack for three days of live coverage, unfortunately Dave didn't make that amazing show. It really was a flash point for us. We saw the community and the ecosystem of OpenStack really standing tall around coding, software development, but creating clouds for enterprises. So enterprises want reliable and they want expectations to be met and service level agreements is classic, right? So talk about your progress relative to the product portfolio and your solutions that you're putting together in context to all the momentum around OpenStack because that has been a consistent theme here, Sarr. Here at OpenStack, being discussed a lot from a lot of folks. Sure, no, I mean, so the good news for us again is that we started on OpenStack a few years back. We put our full weight behind OpenStack. We helped get OpenStack to where it is today. We were founding members of the OpenStack community. We helped set up the charter and so we've been, we're not newcomers to OpenStack. We saw this a long time ago and of course we built our public cloud on OpenStack. One of only two public clouds really that are operating us in Rackspace. And so we have a long history with OpenStack and we made a decision as part of our focus on having a common architecture. And as far as being open to use OpenStack as the kernel of that architecture. And so as we announced in OpenStack back in April or so, we already have that capability on several platforms such as cloud system. However, OpenStack is just the kernel to really be enterprise-grade, you know, additional capabilities and additional things. Easier installation, better application modeling, better hybrid support and so on. And that's part of the things we've done here with CloudOS is it's sort of we've built a wrapper around OpenStack with additional plugins and so forth. But the beauty of it is because OpenStack is an open system it doesn't actually change any of the APIs and so we don't lose any of the compatibility and the capability. But we do get now enterprise capabilities while still leveraging the immense innovation and speed of an open source project like OpenStack. So you and I have talked in the past about Meg's interest in cloud. And she's dialed in to cloud big time. A lot of conversations on stage yesterday was very clear to her. She gets it, right? She knows cloud's the big bet. She's been pretty consistent. You guys have been pretty consistent. However, the business is growing and changing. You've got a new organization, new business unit down at Telly.  Any changes to your role in terms of what you still overlook? Because you were kind of overlooking multiple units. Can you just share kind of how you're organized? So, no, I mean, first of all, yeah, Meg is, you know, definitely gets it. And she's been, ever since I started this role about six months ago, you know, she's been on board 100%. And, you know, I've met with her and built it back to the regular basis. And the only question is, what do you need to move faster? That's pretty much the only question. Gas on the tank. Yeah. Good tires, gas on the tank. What do you need? And they're very flexible. They're very aggressive. She understands. So my role is only expanded in terms of that. We're just, you know, as we're doing more and more things, cloud obviously becomes more prevalent. There is a new business unit in the EG called the Giverds Systems that Tom Joyce is leading. And that's actually going to be very helpful for my business, for my, for cloud, because they're going to help organize some of the solutions from EG for the cloud and help deliver on that. So, it doesn't actually change anything from my perspective, but theory, and hopefully, right. And certainly I know Tom very well. So I have a lot of belief in him that it's going to make my life better in terms of being able to deliver some of these solutions. Let's talk about going faster now. That's a good, first of all, great mandate you have in the mission to go faster. But, you know, you got to see around the corners. You don't want to be doing 100 miles an hour at that hairpin turn or even, you know, slight turn. So what do you see around the corner? What are you watching as the executive? You know, what are you looking for that you're managing from a risk and competition? Market forces, can you just, you know, share your vision? Sure. Well, I think it's interesting. I mean, if you go back at 12 months, right, what are we talking about now and what did we talk about 12 months ago, right? We're not asking if OpenStack is real. We're not asking if people are going to move to the cloud. We're not asking about. So, I mean, it's moving. The funny, the interesting thing about cloud is it's moving faster than we thought. I mean, really, it's moving so fast. And what we're looking at really is, you know, what is it really? How are our customers evolving? We're looking to see the customers who are implementing cloud. What are they doing? What's working for them? What's not working for them? What are ways to make it easier for them? And this is, by the way, where we've now put a greater emphasis and you saw it in our announcements today also in terms of having better, easier to maybe order and get cloud services for people in terms of professional services to help people on works up, help them how to get to the cloud. But I think in terms of what's coming, I think again, this is a common theme is, I think people are going to become less and less, I would say, focused on the specific cloud delivery model and more about a solution, right? Today, at least last year and even today, like is it public cloud? Is it mad at cloud? Is it this? Is that who cares, right? I mean, your architecture shouldn't force you into those decisions. Really, it's more about, okay, what is the problem you're trying to solve and how are you solving it with a cloud model? And then how are you evolving that cloud model as your business grows? And so I think, you know, if you look back 12 months from now, I think we'll be spending a lot less time talking about private public banners. We'll just be talking about, okay, how do you have this solution? But part of the reason why people cared is because the cloud was so accessible to so many more people. So in 2008 and 2009, when the economy tank, people said, all right, let's go try the cloud and the public cloud and go to a variable expense. And then you had this sort of shadow IT movement come along and now it seems like, clearly IT, CIOs are embracing the cloud. You know, you think back to the distributed computing age where it was almost like CIOs are trying to fight it. I think it feels like, and I wonder if you can comment on this, they're not fighting it, they're beginning to embrace it even after a little bit of friction up front. But what's your take on that? So I think it's like anything, it's always a mixed bag.  And you know, one of the things that IT is realizing, and I frequently give us opportunity, you know, back in the day when wireless was coming out and people were doing rogue APs, the time I was selling wireless at some networking company. And we told people, look, if you don't want people to do rogue APs, give them wireless, okay? I think people are now realizing IT is realizing, look, if you don't want shadow IT, then make IT flexible, give businesses what they want, become a partner with a business or give them cloud, whether it's public be a broker to public cloud, provide a private cloud. And I think IT is now realizing the best way to get ahead of it is to actually get ahead of it, not to block it. You can't block this. Camp, I think you're right on that. I mean, it's really, really great comment because shadow IT actually is innovative. And they're just innovating to get what they need, the solutions.  And I think that's what I heard yesterday from Meg that was impressive, this, you know, her mission statement, and it was kind of a, an underhanded diss to the press, you know, because she got slammed for the NPR interview about, you know, when she just started, I don't know if you remember, but when she started, she had to make a, she was asked to take the mission of HP and she was like a long-winded HP. And yesterday it was just like simple, making IT. And that was really an awesome mission statement. So with that speed, you have to then integrate other parts of HP autonomy. So you're, you have other elements. How do you manage that? And how do you deliver that solution to the customer? Well, first of all, again, I mean, this is one of the reasons, for example, we chose a plug-in architecture like OpenStack that allows people to operate at a different rate. I mean, if you look at OpenStack, the CloudOS is based on it, right? It's designed to have many people working and plugging into it at the same time, right? So you have to have a system that is not monolithic, right? And the other thing is you have to have a common understanding of a strategy and what makes sense. And Meg's done a great job in aligning everybody around that. And so when people are on the same strategy, then it makes it easier to work towards common goals. Now, having said that, right, you don't want to try to blow the ocean, right? You're not going to solve everything in one day. We're working sort of in a pragmatic fashion and getting solutions to place. And you use the customer as the key element, right? We're not trying to do integrations where they don't make sense. We're trying to see, okay, can I, is there a problem that customer's having? Or is there something I can help a customer with by integrating these two products better together? I'm not going to integrate two products if it doesn't give the customer any value. And so you really have to be focused on the use case and what the customer is trying to get out of it. And that is a great barometer for you to know what needs to be done first, what needs to be done later. You mentioned boiling over the ocean, which is a great phrase for basically biting off more than you can chew or whatever metaphor you want to use. And that is, you can't build it all by yourself. So one of the core things they teach in business school is don't outsource your core competency. And if it's not your core competency, maybe partner. So how do you look at your mission? You got to move fast. You got to deliver a really elegant, clean solution that's modern. What's your core competency and what are areas that you partner on? Sure, that's a really good question. I think at a high level, right, the ability to really provide enterprise-grade, enterprise capabilities, what enterprise expect, anywhere from technology to go to market to just interaction, expectations, business continuity, that's a core company's rates queue. We've been doing this forever. This is what we know how to do. We know what enterprises want. We know how to deal with enterprise or enterprise grade, even if it's service providers or a government, but we know how to provide that level of service that customers expect. However, we're very flexible. I mean, one of the things about cloud that is a flexible model, and if you can even see, our first sort of partnering activity would say, hey, let's use OpenStack because why should we write everything if the community is writing part of it? But we also partner with service providers. You know, we have our cloud ads out program, for example, for customers who buy our equipment and put out public cloud services, we will support them. And we're looking at other opportunities to partner as well. We have lots of different players that are hosted on our public cloud to provide various solutions, whether it's active state or so forth. And we're definitely looking to partner with people where possible. I mean, it's definitely not one of those things where you have to build everything yourself. I think our benefit is that, you know, we're global. You know, people talk about cloud and then they say, well, okay, what does that mean, man's cloud? Well, I don't know. We have 80 data centers spread across the entire world. How many people have that? So we have a global scale and we really understand how to work with enterprises. And we also have some very, very innovative technology, especially in terms of managing applications. That's something that I think HB has a lot of history in. But we're definitely looking to partner with folks. And I said, we are partnering where it makes sense. So you're open-minded to partnering. You're comfortable in your own skin in terms of what value you add relative to the partners. Your tone regarding OpenStack earlier was a little bit skeptical about the latecomers. I mean, you guys were there from the beginning. People coming in now, the kind of bow guarding like, hey, great party. We want to come in too. What's wrong with it? We have more people contributing to open source. Doesn't that just help you? I think the more the better on open source. I don't have a problem with that. I just think that the question then is, okay, so fine. But what does that mean in terms of the solutions? How are you going to offer solutions? Besides saying, okay, I'm an OpenStack, I'm contributing, what are you going to do to customers leveraging that, you know, to give customer solutions they can use? And what I'm meaning is that, you know, OpenStack is not this simple. And so, you know, you have to be there for a while, understand what's there, what's not there, and how you can help customers. So these people who are coming and trying to sort of, you know, use OpenStack, that's great. We love people, you know, the more people who come in and contribute, it's fantastic. But actually building solutions for customers with OpenStack is a bit different. And, you know, I think that's not something that you do by just putting out a press release. Yeah, but to the point, isn't that your competitive differentiator, right? Because you've got proof points around that. Well, I think our competitor, that is part of a differentiator around OpenStack. I think our overall competitive differentiator is understanding how to build solutions that customers require, enterprises require, you know, what do they feel comfortable around security? What do they feel comfortable in terms of manageability? How do they want to use their applications? How do they want to migrate from the old world to the new world with our services? So having that holistic view is really where we are beginning to welcome our value, as opposed to having very siloed views that says, well, I'm solving this problem. Sorry, I got to say you have really exciting jobs. It's probably intoxicating on many levels. One, you got to go fast. It's very relevant, a lot of demand, and under a lot of pressure at the same time. So I have to ask you, what is your metrics? When you look at, whether you personally and the business both, how do you look at your dashboard of key metrics for success and how are you going to measure yourself in the market? Well, my overall metric at the top end is how many of the core customers, the core top customers in the market, but by definition, most of those already HP customers are journeying with HP to the cloud, right? There's this huge transformation to a new style of AT as customers are getting on this journey to the cloud. And my goal and my metric is I need them to journey with HP, that's the metric. And that means that it's everything from services to go to market, to marketing, to solutions. You're paving the path. It's everything, it's not, just having one nice, beautiful product doesn't help me. If I don't have the right service portfolio to help them with that product, if I don't have the right go-to-market, it doesn't solve the problem. So my metric, that's why I'm sort of pan-HP. I'm looking at it from Bill's perspective, makes perspective, okay, do we have the right portfolio, the right solution, the right engagement in order to help customers move to the cloud with HP? That's really the metric. So are you the general contractor paving the road for HP customers to go to the cloud? And then it's great that you have a good view across the whole company, because that sounds like it's a full portfolio. Everyone we're talking to is super excited about the cloud efforts within HP. A lot of consistency from different groups. So congratulations. This is the cloud, Converge Cloud's tour is hot at HP. Obviously OpenStack is a key differentiator and data point. Open communities are developing code, just as a comment we had Jed York on theCUBE at Sapphire, SAP Sapphire. And he said, why should I pay $60 million for a scoreboard that's going to be obsolete in two years when everyone brings a scoreboard to the game, the phone? And by the way, they pay for that. So why don't make that better? So going to open source, like you mentioned, that's already happening. That's a good decision, I think that's good. So sorry, thanks for coming on theCUBE. We'll be right back with our next guest. This is theCUBE, SiliconANGLE Wikibon. I'm John with Dave Vellante, we'll be right back. Thank you.


We have been tear gassed, people sick, old people. This is just unbelievable. This was a 100% peaceful march. Now there are people who can't breathe because of the tear gas and the military, as you can see, threatening all over there. More tear gas going off, very hard to breathe. People suffering, older people suffering, can't breathe, look, children. In there? People sickened by all this gas. Ty, can you explain what just happened? Well, we started to go up to our place to get... No, the peaceful march. Oh, the peaceful march was massive. It was bigger than it was before, but it was very peaceful. They were bringing the coffins. They wanted to take them to a certain place to show them that indeed there are people dying here in Bolivia because the news media refuses to say that people are dying of gunshot wounds in the back. I saw two people dead myself. With gunshot wounds in the back. These people weren't even actually at the protest. They were there working, doing other things. While the peaceful protest was going on, for some reason, the government got on top of these buildings, one on top of our hotel, and shot tear gas into the crowd. A crowd of a lot of elderly women. Elderly women, elderly men, and people that are just not able to run away. We were shoulder to shoulder in this march. And suddenly we were, people were running and people were falling on the ground. Here they are, look at the people who do the shoot into the air. That's all tear gas that they have. They've been going up and down the street shooting tear gas. People running out here. They took refuge in here. They're still shooting tear gas. Look at these people. The smoke is gone. Look, there's still shooting tear gas down there. Tear gas down there. And people have left that area. This is a peaceful map that's in front of the Cathedral San Francisco. A mark of peace in a city called La Paz.  Totally out of control. And here you see right in front of us, only one part of the police here. Armed shooting tear gas at peaceful protesters. And at the caskets of people that was murdered by them two days ago. And they are at least four blocks, probably five blocks from any municipal building. And there's blockades all along the way. Right. People could not get even close to the municipal buildings. They were walking peacefully up and down this main square here. When they were attacked by the police and the military with tear gas. Very brutal tear gas. We saw women on the ground that couldn't breathe. I'm sure there will be more deaths from this. I mean people are not used to this. There's a tear gas canister right here. They're all over the place. This is the military. See the tear gas coming from that big gun. This is the democracy that you were seeing in Bolivia today. When thousands of peaceful protesters are attacked in the police by military. I know for sure there was a lady here who was selling ice cream. And she had to run very fast. And people were dropping their ice creams right here. Mining their own business. She gets tear gas for selling ice cream on the street. It's like people got murdered two days ago when they were selling things on the street. And just got hit by stray bullets. That's not a fantasy. These are truths. You can see the street lined with police all in there. All over the place. They've turned against their own people. From one day to the next. 13 years. Living under a government where these kind of things didn't happen. And then all of a sudden. These police. I saw one of these police that are riding on the motorcycle. They got a sign on them saying Delta. They're trying to mimic the United States in its Delta force that kills and murders. With impunity. Really. This is another case. They definitely have impunity because the new president has signed a decree saying that the military has impunity. Giving them a green light to do exactly this. And what we saw two days ago in Senkata. Where they just murdered people. So look. Lines and lines of military all over. That tear gas. Is really strong. It makes you feel blinded. Gnosis. And they are just shooting it into the crowds of people. And if you saw the video that we were filming beforehand. It was a lot of elderly people. Mostly all indigenous people. And here they are carrying out orders. Against their own people. And the people are calling on them to mutiny. And I think the more that they're being asked. To do this. He's got it right there in his hand. The more they're being asked to go against their own people. Hopefully more of them will say no. Tear gas. And we know that blue one is coming from the United States. So this is the Democratic Bolivia. Anybody who doesn't call this coup. Doesn't know what they're talking about. Hasn't been down here. Seeing what's happening here. There's a big tank. Big tank in the street. They just walk over there. Tanks in the streets of La Paz. Which means the peace. Attacking indigenous people. Who have come from the high town of El Alto. Look, there's a guy behind two. There are 250 caliber guns right here. And this guy is sitting behind it. Like he's going to shoot at them. Multitudes of non-violent peaceful protesters. With no, never have done any demonstration of violence. I've never seen a gun of rock throwing anything. So here you have it. Democracy in Bolivia. Brought to you by this coup.


It's now time for oral questions. The leader of the Majesty's Royal Opposition. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Economic Development. I think I'll ask to stand down the lead question until the minister arrives. Greek? Greek. Am I right? I do have to seek agreement. The leader of the Royal Opposition has requested to stand down his lead. I move to the leader of the third party. Reset the clock. Speaker, my question is for the acting Premier. The Liberals don't seem to believe that people aren't getting their money. The minister says she's finding it difficult to validate these anecdotes, Speaker. Well, here's a validation for her. Charles's son has a disability, and he relies on ODSP to pay his bills. And when his check didn't arrive, Leanne looked into the issue. She was told her son was removed from the system. And Leanne, as her son's trustee, was also removed from the system, Speaker. Leanne called the Liberal Constituency Office of our MPP and was given the cold shoulder. So will the Liberals admit that these problems are real and actually start fixing them? That being true again? Speaker, and as I think everyone in this House knows, we are doing the very important work of replacing an old outdated system that did not serve clients well, nor was it the best system for the workers. So as we're moving into this, we're in this transition period, I want to say thank you to those frontline workers who are working very, very hard to fix any problems as they arise. I also want people to know, people who are in recipients of social assistance, to know that we are absolutely committed to make sure they get the checks that they are, in fact, entitled to. I do want to comment, Speaker. Additional staff have been sent to local offices. People are working around the clock to fix any problems. And we've had a great success. In fact, within 24 hours, 99% of the overpayments were stopped or retracted. So, Speaker, this is a system that's worked in Australia, in the UK, New Zealand, Germany, in New York City. I know the Minister will want to address any supplementary questions. Speaker, Leanne's son's next check is actually due on the 22nd of December. And she's worried that if there's another round of problems, there will be nobody for her to call over the holidays. Can the Liberals guarantee that this problem is solved and that there won't be any late checks in December? Deputy Premier. To the Minister of Community and Social Services. Minister of Community and Social Services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I want to reassure all members of this House that we take jobs in the Ministry of Community and Social Services extremely seriously. The welfare of vulnerable people is our number one concern. I have been asking, searching questions of my officials. I've been calling mayors. I want to hear about those vulnerable people who have unfortunately not received the appropriate payment to which they are entitled. And it is this type of hands-on approach that I'm personally taking to this issue. And I want to hear everything that I need to hear in order to ensure that the December round of checks is in fact successful. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. The Minister should tell her MPPs that she wants to hear the stories because Leanne went to her MPP, a Liberal MPP, and was given the cold shoulder when her story was shared. So the Minister needs to actually tell her MPPs to do their job. Leanne is worried that her problem won't be solved, Speaker. And frankly, I am worried too. Since this programme launched, we're told that nearly 10,000 separate incident reports have been created and hundreds more are being created by the day. Incident reports because there have been problems with the checks. Now that says to me that the problem still has not been fixed, Speaker. Now can the Liberals give any guarantees whatsoever to the thousands of people of vulnerable Ontarians who rely on ODSP and rely on social assistance that their next checks are actually going to be in the mail and going to be delivered on time? Question. Minister. Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I do want to reassure the leader of the third party that we have put in a very strong support strategy for our frontline workers to troubleshoot issues that may be arising from the new system. And so since the SAMS launch, my ministry has also put in place dedicated phone lines and email addresses for areas that are particularly challenging for staff. So they have direct access to support staff. There's some 42 additional staff in the field. Any area office that is having specific differences, we will send committed individuals to that office. So anybody in terms of our municipal partners, ODSP offices requesting that kind of additional support, they're going to be getting that.  I'm getting reports on an ongoing basis in terms of the issues locally. And again, we urge any person who has an issue with their payment to contact their case worker, and we will make an effort to rectify the problem. New question. Thank you, Speaker. My next question is for the Acting Premier. Yesterday, we asked for the contract that the Liberals signed with IBM for the deeply flawed SAMS program. But we didn't get it, Speaker. So I'm going to try again. Will the Liberals release the contract with IBM that left people across Ontario without the social assistance and ODSP that they rely on? Minister of Community and Social Services. Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. And again, clearly hearing the comments made yesterday, I think we're all aware that there is a process in terms of document release. I have looked into this, and of course we wish to be open and transparent. And so we are going to be following the type of process that is required in this type of contractual relationship between a private company and the government. There may be some proprietary commercially sensitive information in the contract. The process will be followed if there is a formal document request. And I certainly won't interfere with that process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Supplementary. Government confirmed that Ontario was getting private sector IT support for the massive problems with this SAMS program. When there's a problem with the software speaker, Ontarians deserve to know who's actually paying to fix it. Either IBM has to fix the problem or we're paying out of pocket to fix their faulty product. Will the Liberals release the contract so we can see which one of these it is? Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been informed that the issue of transition was addressed in the contract and that our private sector partners are covering all the costs of the transition, support that is required for the frontline through the requirements of the contract. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Thank you. Supplementary. Liberals were warned that this computer system was not ready and would likely have massive problems. In fact, the people that warned them were right here in this House with us today. They ignored the advice. And now vulnerable Ontarians are the ones that are having to pay the price. Ontarians have the right to know who is paying for that decision, Speaker. Will the Deputy Premier, the Minister responsible for transparency, live up to that mandate and actually release the contract? Minister. Well, Mr. Speaker, I can simply repeat what I've said before. There's a process in terms of release of this type of information. I will not interfere in any way with that process. I will encourage that process to take place. But clearly this type of information may contain some commercially sensitive information. And I think everyone needs to respect that. And I want to just make it very clear that our job won in our ministry is to ensure that all vulnerable people are appropriately taken care of. Up the clock. I'm trying my best to listen to the answer but with the interruption on my left it's a little difficult. The member for Renfrew, Nipperson and Pemberton I don't need your comments. Minister. I simply would like to reassure everyone yet again that our job is to ensure that checks are delivered smoothly. Every effort is being taken to ensure that the next check run will go well. People are working constantly in this regard. We have the support of our private sector partners, IBM in this endeavor and we want to assure everyone that we're following due process. Thank you. The leader of the Her Majesty's Royal Opposition. Thank you, Mr Speaker. My question for the Minister of Economic Development, Employment and Infrastructure. Minister, Ontario's auto sector is the backbone of communities throughout our province. We all know the hard work and tremendous pride auto workers put into their jobs. That's why it's so alarming to hear union and auto industry executives raise concerns about the troubled state of General Motors Canadian operations. Next year, for example, Chevrolet Camaro production stops in Oshawa altogether and will move to Lansing, Michigan. In 2016, just a year and a half from now, one of the two assembly plans in Oshawa is scheduled to close. A shutdown of Oshawa would result in nearly 3,600 jobs lost. Minister, what action is your government taking to stop the shutdown of auto production in Oshawa, Ontario? Mr Speaker, let me tell you right off the bat what we're not going to do. Stop the clock. The members closest to me on my left, it's very difficult for me to carry on if you keep trying to show the person who's answering. Next time you'll be named. The Minister. Mr Speaker, let me tell you right off the bat what we're not going to do. We're not going to do what the PC party did at the earliest sign of trouble in the auto sector during the recession. They ran and hid, Mr Speaker. They failed to stand up for the auto sector. We partnered with the federal government, Mr Speaker, to make sure that GM is even here today. Because had we not have done that, Mr Speaker, had we had taken the advice of the party opposite, we would not have an auto sector like we have today here in the province of Ontario. An auto sector, Mr Speaker, that employs over 400,000 Ontarians. Mr Speaker, the member raises some valid concerns. We are concerning carefully at the future of GM in Oshawa. But in my supplementary, I'll talk a little bit more about the optimism of the new president of GM with regard to his investment in Ontario. Thank you. Supplementary. Minister, these aren't meant to be hard-hitting partisan questions. This is meant to stand up for the hard-working men and women in our auto sector. Other jurisdictions, as you know, are taking urgent action to strengthen their auto sectors for the 21st century marketplace. In 2013, Michigan's governor created the Michigan Automotive Office. This office is headed by an experienced industry professional who reports directly to the governor. That's how serious Michigan takes its auto industry. So it's not surprising that Oshawa's Chevrolet Camaro is moving to Lansing, Michigan. The Michigan Automotive Office has issued a 30-year strategic plan to grow the state's automotive industry base. Minister, I just ask you, where is your long-term plan to grow Ontario's automotive base? Mr. Speaker. Let me talk about the investments this government has made over the objections of the party opposite to grow our economic base in the auto sector. Mr. Speaker, $800 million of investment we've invested in the last 10 years. We've gotten back $10 billion of investment made by auto companies here in the province of Ontario. For investments, Mr. Speaker, that the party opposite refers to as corporate welfare.  Shame on the party opposite. To get up today a party that does not support any support that we've given to the auto sector, any support that we've given to the hard-working men and women, 400,000 strong that have jobs in this sector. Mr. Speaker, they've opposed us every step of the way. We'll continue to work with the auto sector in this province. We'll continue to work with our companies. We'll continue to make those important investments, continue to have a strong auto sector here in the province of Ontario. Thank you. Well, Mr. Speaker, the minister can be partisan and get in a bickering match with us, I suppose. It's not going to help the workers who are depending on his government to do the right thing. Obviously what you're doing isn't working, Minister. GM's leaving. The warning signs are there. So what you're doing isn't working. In Michigan, they don't just don't throw billions of dollars they have a seven-point plan that doesn't involve money. It involves marketing, strategic branding, talent development and attracting new talent, engineering network, policy and legislative advice to the government, business development advice, working collaboratively with the government, capital attraction and development. These are things that don't cost billions of dollars. You raise electricity, raise slap on the red tape, put up the taxes and then throw billions of dollars to correct your mistakes. What are you going to come up with a 30-year plan that works? Minister. Why the party opposites so admires the administration in Michigan. They're a right to work state, Mr. Speaker. That's why they like the state of Michigan. And you know what else, Mr. Speaker? They have an eight-dollar minimum wage in Michigan. I know that they have eight dollars, but get this, Mr. Speaker, they also don't have a lack of support for maternity leave in Michigan. That's the kind of administration they want to run. That's not the kind of province we're building here in this province of Ontario. We support a lot of our work, Mr. Speaker. And we support a lot of us. Minister. We need to work in partnership with that sector. We're going to continue to make investments like we made in here, here's riding in Alastair. 857 billion investment by Honda just a few weeks ago. Mr. Speaker, look at you. It doesn't seem as I'm getting true to some of you. On the government side, the Minister of Environment, you're the loudest. I'd actually like to keep it down. Go back to the minister. New question? Member for Bruce Gray-Owen Sound. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister of Health. Minister, your government has continuously promised to fix the troubled CCACs. We've heard repeatedly of the bloated CCAC, which has cost us 3.5 million every year. All the while there are cuts to home care services that are leaving our frail, elderly people, and people with disabilities in peril. The situation is truly appalling. Minister, can you tell us how you're going to get these 14 CEO salaries under control so that money can be put back into front-line care? Minister of Health. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, in fact, over the last number of years we have been reducing the CCAC CEO salaries considerably. In fact, in 2007, they amounted 5.6 million total, and in fact, in 2012, they were down to 3.6 million dollars. And it's not just the CEO salaries as well. The proportion of the total CCAC expenses that go to administrative costs have also declined significantly and it's estimated at 4.4% in 2012-2013. So they are coming down. But, Mr. Speaker, we also have an important bill before the Legislature, a bill which looks specifically and directly at the issue of executive compensation in the broader public sector. It's going to actually pertain to our CCACs as well and the salaries of the CEOs and the senior staff there. And it's going to prescribe the parameters for going forward in terms of the level of compensation that we need. Thank you. Supplementary. Thank you, Speaker, again to the Minister of Health. Minister, your ministry stated to the Ottawa Sun that it does not have access to the terms and conditions of the CCAC CEO compensation plans. This is a poor excuse. In fact, your excuse sounds an awful lot like the excuse that the Deputy Premier used to give about Chris Maz's blockbuster salary at Orange. And we all know how that ended. Patients in front-line care is suffering because you refuse to take action. Why are you advocating your oversight responsibilities and allowing these salaries to compromise front-line care? Minister of Health? Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm taking my responsibility as Minister of Health very, very seriously. And I appeal to the opposition. I suspect that I may have the support. We may have the support of the member opposite to support and pass Bill 8 because that bill does precisely what the member opposite is asking for. It allows us to get access to that information and to prescribe within certain parameters, Mr. Speaker, what that executive compensation level should be. Not just in our CCACs, but across the broader public sectors. So I look forward to the support of the member opposite. It's an important bill. We've been debating it here in the legislature. The sooner we get it passed, Mr. Speaker, the sooner we're going to be able to move further in the direction where we all agree we need to get the executive compensation. Thank you. Supplementary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, the Minister of Health. Minister, it's appalling that you would deflect your minister of responsibility and not take immediate action to get the CEO salaries under control. If it's true that your ministry does not have access to the terms and conditions of these salaries, then why haven't you taken action and tabled legislation in this house to fix it? You use time allocation for lots of other things. Why haven't you taken action to get the employees to do so, yet you continue to allow frontline care to suffer? Minister, when are you actually going to take action to fix this problem? Minister of Health? I won't. Well, Mr. Speaker, in fact, we have tabled legislation precisely to do what the member is asking for. It's called Bill 8, and it's important. You did! And it referenced time allocation as well. We did, Mr. Speaker. In a very short period of time to pass this important legislation that will do what the member is asking is provide those parameters in the direction and the ability for every ministry in this government to oversee, be accountable for, provide direction to, create the parameters for, and control the executive compensation in the broader public sector. Mr. Speaker, I find it unbelievable that the member opposite didn't know that that legislation already exists. Mr. Speaker, a new question to member for Renfrew, Nipissing Pembroke. My question is for the acting Premier. Premier, your government used the dictatorial power of the majority to shut down the justice committee with respect to the inquiry into the gas plant fiasco, denying us the opportunity to interview such key witnesses as Laura Miller and Peter Feist. But there's another matter. Going into the election there was an ongoing OPP criminal investigation into the deletion and destruction of documents within the office of the Premier of Ontario. Now, acting Premier, can you give us an update because since the election we've heard nothing. Can you give us an update or have you asked the OPP for an update onto that investigation into criminal activity in the Premier's office? Thank you, Deputy Premier. Government host leader. Thank you very much, Speaker. I thank the member from Renfrew, Nipissing Pembroke, who was opposing the question, Speaker. And I want to thank the members of the Justice Committee, who's been working very hard in completing the work of the Justice Committee as was committed and I'm confident that the members of the Justice Committee will continue to do the work and make sure that there is a report available based on all the testimonies and evidence that they have heard, Speaker, over the last almost three years be able to give recommendations to the government when it comes to the sighting of large energy infrastructure projects and we look forward to the committee for finishing their work. Acting Premier, the people of Ontario want to know where this investigation is going. If you haven't asked the OPP for an update, well, I have. I've written a letter to Detective Constable Duvall asking him for an update and see, look, I'd be the last one to ever accuse this government of doing something underhanded, but it might be a little more than coincidental that since you have got your majority, this OPP investigation has gone completely underground. We're not hearing anything about the criminal investigation into the destruction and deletion of emails within the office of the Premier of Ontario. So I'm asking you today, will you endeavor to get an update from the OPP where this criminal investigation is going because the people of Ontario want an answer?  Government House Leader. Speaker, I think it would pretty polite and mild for me to say that the question is fairly absurd from the member opposite. I think he recognizes that there is a live police investigation that is undergoing and it will be highly inappropriate for any member of this House, especially members from the government to be speaking about that police investigation. The member is a smart individual. He knows that very clearly and I think the question is highly inappropriate nor we will start engaging into the discussion around police investigations because that is up to the OPP, their arms land and independent from the government and we will let them finish their work. Thank you very much Speaker. Thank you. New question member for family Goal Malton. Thank you very much and the question is to the active premier. There is a growing trend for charitable organizations to give out gift cards to clients to help them buy gifts for Christmas and groceries for the holidays. Now giving gift cards is a more dignified approach to helping these vulnerable people so they don't have to line up at food banks or Christmas hamper programs. But there is a grinch out there trying to steal Christmas. Money Mart has piloted an initiative in Hamilton whereby they will redeem these gift cards for cash but only at 50% of the card's value. Why does this government allow grinches like Money Mart to steal Christmas from almost vulnerable people in Ontario? Minister of Government Services Minister of Government Services Thank you very much Speaker and appreciate the question from the member opposite. As the member knows there are a number of organizations in Ontario that have been regulated by our government and we've stepped up to enforce and increase regulations with these organizations. It is an ongoing challenge to ensure that the practices that are unscrupulous like you're talking about that we ensure that these individuals are put out of business or that there are greater regulations. We've increased protections under the Consumer Protection Act. We've increased fines as well for organizations and individuals who may conduct business like this. As you are aware, there was one of these organizations that our ministry did take a very significant action to ensure that they were put out of business because of the practices that they were so we are going to continue to be vigilant with respect to these organizations and we will continue to bring forward legislation and change regulations where necessary to ensure that these practices are dealt with. I'd also indicate that our government has eliminated the expired gift cards. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. This is just one of the many areas that we've seen time and time again that the Payday Loan Act needs to be tightened up. Forcing individuals who are already under a great deal of stress during the holidays to pay this extraordinarily high rate for an exchange is simply disgusting. I think everyone in this house agrees that this type of scheme is the advantage of people that are already so vulnerable and particularly at this given time of year is not acceptable. Is the minister's heart two sizes too small that he won't ban this exorbitantly high exchange and allow paydays to take advantage of people like this? Will the minister do something to address this problem so that it doesn't happen? Absolutely. I think we all agree and this is certainly not a partisan issue that those individuals who are vulnerable and those individuals that from time and time to these organizations to complete financial transactions we want to ensure that they're not taking advantage of we have a cap on the maximum allowable borrowing rates in Ontario and they are in about the middle of the range across the country as the member knows full well. We brought in regulations to tighten up Payday lending and deal very aggressively quite frankly with an organization in this province was practicing beyond their scope of their license in other words taking advantage quite frankly of vulnerable residents in the province of Ontario. So we will be responding to this and if the member has any specific information I'd be happy to speak to him about that as we continue to enforce these regulations. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is for the minister of finance. Minister on Tuesday you announced that there will be amendments made to Ontario securities laws with a goal of promoting greater representation of women on the boards of publicly traded companies. My constituents in the riding of Burlington and indeed I'm certain all Ontarians are very pleased with this announcement. Studies have shown that greater gender diversity on corporate boards will promote stronger organizational health, improved innovation, leadership growth and performance. Having been fortunate enough to hold multiple senior level positions including publicly traded companies prior to becoming an MPP. I take pride in this measure our government is implementing. Minister could you please tell this house why you are taking this important step. Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Speaker and thank you to the member, the Honourable Member from Burlington for a very thoughtful question. You know Mr. Speaker women make up 48% of the workforce and yet only account for 16% of board members. Through discussions and surveys conducted by the OSCE we learned that 50% of responding companies have no women directors. And moreover women working at the remaining responding companies only account for 10% of women on senior levels. Further findings tell us that companies with higher representation of women in executive level positions experience 35% higher return on equity and 34% higher total return to shareholders. I agree with my caucus colleague that greater gender diversity promotes stronger organizational health, innovation improved leadership and business performance and Mr. Speaker that's why we're calling for this explosion. I think most of us in this house agree and recognize the great potential available for all of us by having more women in executive positions and I'm proud that we're taking these steps. Thank you Mr. Speaker Thank you Mr. Speaker and thank you to the Minister for his response. Research has indeed found that gender diversity and corporate leadership is linked in stronger performance on both financial and non-financial measures. We know that increasing the number of women in corporate leadership is good for the economy and good for business. It's also good for society. And that's why helping women reach their full potential by supporting women in leadership is part of this government's commitment to creating a strong and fair Ontario. The Minister responsible for women's issues has noted that this announcement is a critical step towards achieving gender equality across all sectors. Can the Minister please tell us how these measures will serve to promote equality and leadership within the corporate world and beyond? Thank you Mr. Speaker Minister of Finance Minister responsible for women's issues Mr. Speaker Minister Thank you Speaker So as Mr. Finance mentioned women account for only 16% of members of Canada's FP500 companies and Speaker that hasn't moved for a very very long time. So when we tabled the 2013 Ontario budget we concluded a commitment to broaden gender diversity in corporate leadership. So last year when we asked the Ontario Securities Commission to undertake the review and public consultation on this approach we felt strongly this was a policy that would encourage and support firms to increase the representation of women in corporate leadership. And what is quite remarkable and wonderful speaker is that other Canadian regulators are now following Ontario's lead or explain and are coordinating efforts with our Ontario Securities Commission So we're very excited about this announcement speaker and the positive change our government's action will take to bring corporate sector representation of women up higher. Thank you. Member for Lenox Lenox Lenox Thank you Speaker Speaker my question is for the Minister of Community and Social Services and outdated excuses Minister my office has been inundated Order I would say to the member in this legislature we have always respected each other and respected their titles I'd ask you to withdraw I withdraw. Thank you. Minister my office has been inundated with calls this week after the problems with your new SAMS program were made public These individuals have told us that the issues with the new software at Ontario Works and ODSP are far greater than your government is letting on. We have obtained information that many frontline staff are taking stress leave and contrary to the earlier statements in the House they're taking time off due to their inability to help their clients and they're frustrated that they will not to do their job properly Minister how many workers at ODSP and Ontario Works have taken stress leave due to your little glitch Minister of Community and Social Services Thank you very much Mr Speaker and certainly I'm delighted to hear that the member opposite is suddenly so concerned about frontline workers I'm sure that those frontline workers were under considerable distress when your government cut social assistance rates by some 22% The member will know that we are supporting in every way those frontline workers we have put in this frontline we have supportive staff to help them The party that asked the question is the loudest so obviously you don't want the answer Minister I think we need to understand this is a new system at the end of the day it will make the system overall much much better case workers will be able to spend more time with their clients we know that they are concerned for their clients we're trying to support them in the best way that we possibly can through this introduction of this new system Supplementary Minister at least a premier has shown the decency to apologize to those who have been affected by these problems and not resort to deflection in her responses such as you have just done it would be nice to see if you would show the same respect and courtesy to those employees not only is the new software proving to be very problematic in the delivery of these services it's stressful that workers are taking time off when workers are taking time off to do a broken system to be affected by the shortage of frontline case workers as a result will you demonstrate transparency accountability and openness and a genuine respect for the people of Ontario and bring yourself and your staff back to the committee and really let's examine this little glitch in far greater detail instead of just having deflection from this minister minister of community and social services and of course as I've said before I truly apologize to those individuals who suffered hardship through this new computer system and I am working constantly in terms of hearing from the frontlines what those issues are my ministry is in constant communication with all 257 offices that have had to introduce this very large system and certainly as we work towards the next pay run and being mindful in fact that the vast majority some 500,000 people did receive their payments on time this last pay run we want to make that 100% this next pay run there's no question about it we are doing everything we can to ensure that that happens we are offering support to frontline workers we will be covering overtime costs for those workers as I've assured many of my municipal colleagues thank you we want to get this right thank you Mr. Speaker member for London Fanshawe my question is to the minister of health and long-term care this Liberal government has promised again and again to fully inspect every long-term care home by the end of this year on April 15th the deputy premier said quote I stand by my earlier commitment that every long-term care home in this province will have had the rigorous quality inspection by the end of this calendar year but now with just days to go it's been revealed that 60% of long-term care homes still haven't been inspected why has this Liberal government broken its promise to protect seniors by failing to inspect each and every long-term care home before the end of this year minister of health to the associate minister of health deputy minister of health associate should say sorry don't talk about Bob back thank you speaker and I thank the member opposite for that question it's a very important question and I want to reassure this house that indeed by the end of this month we would have scheduled every last inspection in the long-term care homes all 633 and we look forward we look forward to completing them very shortly in the new year because the main thing the main thing is the intent if I may say this the main thing here is we didn't want to just do them for the sake of doing them we wanted to make sure we got it right so yes they will be all done completed by the middle of January and they will all be scheduled by the end of this month thank you supplementary scheduling inspections by the end of the year is not the same as originally promised by the deputy premier that they said in this province we will have had the rigorous quality inspections by the end of this year it's outrageous that this government has dropped the ball and failed to conduct a resident quality inspection in 60% of long-term care homes and their families don't have the protection this government promised but we know that the liberals what they do when they break a promise they try to change the promise and hope no one notices so Tuesday speaker and this is apropos that the minister is responding to the supplement Tuesday of this week the associate minister backtracked as fast as she could and promised to schedule every inspection by the end of the year that's a far cry from what the deputy inspections would be complete this year and I understand that there was an FOI so maybe that's why the backtracking this year will the government own up to this broken promise and tell the Ontarians that long-term care resident homes will be inspected and assure the families that 60% of homes will be inspected I didn't listen to my answer because if she had listened to my answer order if you well there's a difference between hearing and listening if you had just understood my answer then I just want to say that by the middle of January every last inspection will be done there's a holiday season and that is the reason but the spirit in the spirit is being respected and every last home will be inspected come to order new question Mr. Speaker my question is for the Minister of Citizenship Immigration and International Trade Minister today is international volunteer they are annual opportunity to thank those who have donated their time in an effort to better their communities Minister Ontario depends on not-for-profit organizations and their volunteers to deliver vital services and build strong inclusive communities in my writing of Ajax Pickering a large number of constituents rely on volunteer services for after school programs religious services many athletic clubs and organizations seniors programs and much more it's very important to my constituents and all Ontarians that volunteer programs like these are safeguarded Speaker the Government of Ontario is supporting our volunteer initiatives across our province of Ontario Thank you Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Thank you Speaker I want to thank the honourable member from Ajax Pickering for asking the question Speaker international volunteer day is a great opportunity to recognize and also to say thank you for the dedicated volunteers that help make Ontario great our government supports a number of programs to help encourage and promote volunteerism in Ontario we know it is equally important to support activities that broaden understanding about volunteering in Ontario Speaker that's why as part of the province legacy plan for the Parapan American Games our ministry will be working with the Ontario Volunteer Centre Network to create a certification program that recognizes the skills acquired for a volunteer placement Thank you Speaker Thank you, supplementary Thank you Speaker and thank you to the minister for letting us know about absolutely everything including how our government is encouraging volunteerism in our province I'm happy to hear that the Pan Am will receive certification for their hard work at the Games over 10,000 athletes and officials from 41 countries will be coming to our province next summer and the eyes of the world will be on Ontario the volunteers will be the backbone of the Games instrumental to delivering a successful Games volunteering is going to be a great experience volunteers will have the opportunity to make friends from around the world learn new skills and make a positive impact on their communities and I'm happy to hear that their hard work will be recognized by an official certification Speaker Thank you There are several conversations going on in the house while the questions have been asked I would ask those members to take it outside for the sake of absolutely absolutely everything I want to refer to the minister of tourism culture sport and also the minister responsible for the Pan and Parapan American Games Thank you Mr. Speaker and I want to start by thanking the volunteers that are with us here today I know when I thank them Mr. Speaker one of the greatest legacies of these Games is our volunteers and the skills they'll be able to acquire during the Games and in fact Mr. Speaker they'll be able to take those skills and transfer them into other not-for-profit work volunteerism and of course employment one of the best parts about the volunteer trading that we're providing is the accessibility trading and we're going to have over 23,000 people greet our spectators our sport athletes visitors to really help every single person of all abilities Thank you all I just want to remind that I do love you being here but you're not allowed to participate in a debate by chairing or clapping so I actually keep order new question You used to be the only one to get it right but anyways my question is to the minister of rural affairs minister since being elected I've continually heard from my rural municipal leaders about the challenges with the unpredictable and declining Ontario Municipal Partnership Fund this year my upper and lower tier municipalities will see a 20% cut in their OMPF funding for the upcoming year money that could go to critical infrastructure projects Minister I find it interesting that the government website states that 2015 OMPF funding has been designed to increase targeted support to those municipalities with the most challenging fiscal circumstances Minister South Pole to my writing has lost over 50% of their tax base when Ford closed and as a result the local councils announced taxes will rise by 45% over the next three years however their OMPF funding was also cut 20% Minister how do you define challenging fiscal circumstances and is it your plan to balance the budget on the backs of rural municipalities Well Mr. Speaker this is an interesting question it's interesting from the perspective of the party who downloaded an exercise called who does what that became the who got done the exercise municipalities got done in that's the history of the party that's true let me continue Mr. Speaker through extensive consultation with Roba the rural Ontario Municipal Association the Ontario Municipal Association we've gone to a formula now $50 million that provides is set about every year to municipalities right across the province of Ontario municipalities asked for this is something that we deliver municipalities it makes sense it's a good program and addresses critical infrastructure needs municipalities right across Ontario Thank you Thank you Speaker Minister you're talking about policies and decisions made over 15 years ago and since then you've done nothing to correct them Minister it's reflected in the election we are the voice of rural Ontario you've got to start listening Minister your government's mismanaged taxpayers money for over a decade and rural municipalities and their residents are paying for it under your government my writing has lost over 6,000 manufacturing jobs and an enormous amount of tax based run municipalities yet your government continues to cut the OMPF funding my rural municipalities do not receive any of the gas tax money but would like access to in order to deal with their enormous infrastructure deficits rural municipalities in my writing would like to see a three to five year projection of their individual OMPF funding allocations so they can prepare their budgets accordingly Minister you're either not staying up for rural Ontario and cabinet or being completely ignored which is it Thank you Minister Mr Speaker let me tell you back in 2008 the dead minister of business affairs and housing the wonderful bearer of Ottawa Jim Watson negotiated an unprecedented deal of public services right across Ontario the services that this party downloaded during their time of government effectively crippled municipal finances right across the province of Ontario I have no respect for you Mr Speaker Mr Speaker through the 2015 program we'll continue to recognize the challenges of rural municipalities better target those with challenging businesses that's why this year the province will be providing $515 billion to 388 municipalities across this province our government has a record of how big municipalities run across in comparison to the the member for Lanark from Lanark new question the member for Hamilton Mountain Mr Speaker my question is to the minister of children use services for yet another deeply disturbing story of a family being torn apart due to the inadequate developmental services available for children in Ontario nine year old Nico Leduc suffers from a severe case of reactive detachment disorder which causes him to be extremely violent and act out of self destructively due to extremely serious nature of his problems there is nowhere even close to his greater submarine home that can provide treatment he needs Nico's mother Dr. Nicole DeMay has been told that her only way her son can get the care he needs is by making him a crown ward Minister do you believe taking this child away from his mother is an acceptable response to the plight of his family Minister of Children and Youth Services Thank you and I want to thank the member opposite for the question and as she knows I can't discuss specifics of cases I'm always happy to talk with her generally about what we're doing both in developmental services for children and child welfare on the development services front there have been a number of investments made in fact an additional five million this year to reduce weightless five million dollars this year speaker to reduce weightless for different services such as physiotherapy occupational therapy and speech language therapy and these new investments will bring the total for children's rehab services to a hundred and four million and speaker I know that the member opposite is very interested in the work of our children's aid societies they do an excellent job each protecting the safety and security of our children and I welcome for the question the supplementary thank you supplementary tomorrow I'd like to share a report from the management in May of 2005 called rock and hard place where the family supposed to go this is absolutely unacceptable Nikko is scheduled to come home tomorrow with absolutely no support this family is up against a brick wall now their son desperately needs the specialized care but he relies on the loving attention of his mother wouldn't dream of making that child a crown word.  Does the minister believe that children who need mental health treatment should be treated the same as children with physical health challenges and have the ongoing support of their family? Minister. So, Speaker, I absolutely believe that children and youth with mental health issues should be treated as timely and in an accessible way as other persons with illnesses and injuries. And that's why, Speaker, I recently announced the creation of 14 children's mental health lead agencies across the province to coordinate those programs and services so families and children can go to one place to get the services in the community they need. We know, Speaker, that 70% of mental health issues start in childhood and adolescence. We know that one in five adults has a mental health issue speaker. Our investments on our comprehensive mental health programs. The member for Hamilton Mountain come to order. And the agencies I've announced are going to be coordinating that service, helping families navigate. And next week, I will be announcing more lead agencies for a total of 34 lead agencies across the province. The member for Hamilton. New question? Member for Davenport. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the minister responsible for women's issues. Minister, December 6th is National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women. This day was established by Canada's Parliament in 1991 to ensure Canadians would never forget the tragic deaths of 14 young women who were murdered at L'École Polytechnique de Montréal on December 6, 1989. As we mourn the loss of these women today, we are also reminded of all women and girls for whom violence and the threat of violence are daily realities. Minister, the Premier has placed upon your directorate the responsibility for continuing the work of leading our government's efforts to prevent gender-based violence. With the goal of an Ontario where all women live free from threat, fear or experience of violence, what initiatives have your directive implemented to raise awareness of violence against women, strengthen support for victims, and to focus on prevention? Thank you, Minister, up to our youth services and women's issues. Thank you, Speaker. And I want to thank the member from Davenport for raising this very important issue and raising awareness on this important day. Speaker, as I've talked about before in this House, our government has increased funding for community services that help deal with domestic violence. That increase has been 55% speaker since 2003. And we actually began these investments at a time when the former government was cutting services such as to women's shelters. So, in 2013-14, we're investing $142 million into these very important services.  We remain very much committed, Speaker, to an Ontario-free of domestic violence and sexual violence because we believe every woman has the right to feel safe and secure over where they may be. Thank you. commentary. Thank you, Minister. I think this government has demonstrated that women and their children in crisis are a priority. Recently, there has been a very bright light, shone on the importance of supporting women suffering from abuse and harassment. But the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women remind us, this is a difficult problem that has been troubling society and its victims for a very long time. Sometimes there is a lack of awareness or information as to the availability or accessibility of resources out there. In Davenport, several not-for-profit organizations provide shelter and counseling for women who have suffered domestic violence. For example, Abrigo and the South Asian Women's Centre both offer a positive environment where women facing abuse can receive a wider rate of support. Constituents in my writing of Davenport and advocates have expressed interest in knowing exactly how the government is addressing the needs of women and children at risk. Minister, could you please explain what services and supports are available to women and their children suffering from the threat of domestic violence or abuse? Thank you. Minister of Children and Youth Services on Women's Issues. Minister of Community and Social Services, speaker. The Minister of Community and Social Services. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. And as recognized by the Minister responsible for women's issues and through the leadership of our Premier, supporting women who have suffered from sexual and domestic violence is very important to our government. We fund over 200 agencies across the province dedicated to assisting women experiencing violence. In the last year, over 18,000 women and children were served at one of the 96 emergency shelters funded by the government. Over 49,000 women and children visited one of the 177 government-funded counselling agencies that provide crisis support counselling, sexual assault counselling, and long-term therapeutic counselling. Over 55,000 calls from women in need were answered by one of the provincial crisis helplines that are available 24-7. As we reflect on the unfortunate examples of domestic and sexual violence and from my conversations with the staff of these hardworking agencies, we understand the impact these support services can have on an individual... Thank you. ...and the need for our work to continue. New question, the Leader of the Opposition. Thank you, Speaker. A question to the Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services. Minister Fire Chief Cynthia Ross-Tustin of the SFIRE Department from Riding of Simkel Gray is Ontario's leading voice in support of rural residential sprinkler campaign. Minister, I believe Chief Tustin has raised this matter with you directly. So as you know, rural firefighters face several different challenges than their urban colleagues, including longer travel times over greater distances and the need to bring their own water supply to put out fires in most cases. Sprinkler systems in rural homes would improve public safety and the ability of rural firefighters to do their jobs. Minister, will your ministry implement Chief Tustin's request to help reduce costs for rural Ontarians who want to install sprinklers in their homes? Thank you. The Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services. Thank you very much, Speaker. And I thank the Leader of the Opposition for asking a very important question. He's absolutely right. I had a great opportunity to meet with the Chief of ESA at the Rural Applying Match. And she was very generous with her time. Gave me a very good tour of a model home that demonstrated the different kind of technologies that exist when it comes to residential sprinklers that could help in, of course, in making sure that our homes are safe and communities are safe as well. And as a result of that conversation, Speaker, we've of course followed up and we're working with the Chief and looking into the matter and having a very interesting conversation to see what next steps we need to take to ensure that our homes are safe in our communities. Thank you. Supplementary? Again, to the Minister, the Rural Residential Sprinkler Campaign builds on other practical and responsible public safety measures adopted by this House, like smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors. Chief Tustin, sorry, has discussed with you the idea of establishing a tax credit or other incentives to encourage people living in rural areas to install a fire sprinkler system in their homes on a voluntary basis. Such incentives could be similar to existing tax credits to encourage people to make their homes more energy efficient, for example. So Minister, on behalf of rural residents and their brave local firefighters, will the government take steps to reduce costs for rural Ontarians who want to install sprinklers? Minister? Thank you. Thank you again, Speaker. I want to thank the member. He's absolutely right. I mean, I have to give credit to the Chief from ASSA for really doing her due diligence, done a lot of good work in their regards, and they have come up with very constructive solutions as to how we can enable homeowners to be able to put sprinklers, fire sprinklers, in their homes. So she's done tremendous work. We are very much engaged with her in ensuring that we find ways to prevent fires, to make sure that our homes are safe. We, Speaker, are very, very proud of the fact that we have made sprinklers mandatory in multi-unit residential buildings and in care facilities as well. And perhaps the next time I look forward to working with the Chief on this matter. Thank you. Thank you. Point of order, the member of the team is James Bay. During the use of the clock today, I would ask you to extend question period. Allow us to do our question that we should have got here. Point of order. First you understand, in order 38A, the member for Hamilton Mountain has given notice of her dissatisfaction with the answer to her question given by the Minister of Children and Youth Services, concerning development, mental health services for children. This matter will be debated next Tuesday at 6 p.m. Point of order, Government House Leader. Thank you, Speaker. I just noticed that a very dynamic young man from my community of Ottawa Centre is in the house. I want to welcome Fritz Okra to Queensborough. Great to see you, Fritz. Go ahead and govern the opposition leader. Well, I'll be government soon. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent that the orders for second and third reading of Bill 16 and act to proclaim Christmas tree day be called immediately and that the question on the motions for second and third reading of the bill be put immediately without a debate or amendment. Oh, yes. The member has seek unanimous consent to move a motion on Bill 16. Agreed? Agreed. I hear a no. Point of order, the member for Prince Edward Hastings. Actually, Mr. Speaker, I'd just like to welcome a guest who is up in the lobby upstairs, one of the most exciting athletes to ever take the field in the Canadian football league, Mike Pinball-Levins, who is in the house today. Only wish he had been playing for the Thai cats last week. A motion for second reading of Bill 35. An act to repeal the Public Works Protection Act, amend the Police Services Act, with respect to our courts, security, and enact the security for electricity generated in facilities. A nuclear facilities act 2014. Call in the members, this'll be a five minute bell. Can I ask members to take their seats? What's it take their seats? On November 25th, Mr. Nakvee moved second reading of Bill 35. All those in favor will please rise one at a time and be recognized by the clerk. Mr. Nakvee. Mr. Nakvee. Mr. Bradley. Mr. Bradley. Mr. Shirelli. Mr. Shirelli. Madame Mayor. Madame Mayor. Mr. Sousa. Mr. Sousa. Ms. Matthews. Ms. Matthews. Mr. Hoskins. Mr. Hoskins. Ms. Sandals. Ms. Sandals. Mr. Dugas. Ms. Dugas. Ms. McCharles. Ms. McCharles. Mr. Dylan. Mr. Dillon. Mr. Quadrie. Mr. Quadrie. Ms. Torczaono. Mr. MacMeagan. Mr. McMecca. Mr. Murray. Mr. Murray. Ms. Chan. Mr. Chan. Mr. Coteau. Mr. Coteau. Mr. Liel. Mr. Liel. Mr. Flynn. Mr. Flynn. Mr. Zimmer. Mr. Zimmer. Mr. Delaney. Mr. Delaney. Ms. Albinese. Ms. Albanese. Mr. Dixon. Mr. Dixon. Ms. Manga. Ms. Manga. Mr. Crack. Ms. Crack. Ms. Worm. Ms. Hunter. Ms. Hunter. Anderson Mr. Baker Mr. Baker Mr. Ballard Mr. Ballard Mr. Don Don this hogar this hogar this koala this koala and I'm the long as Molly this Molly this is Martin's this is Martin's this is McGarry this is McGarry this McMahon's McMahon mr. Milchin mr. Milchin this night who Harris night who Harris pot Mr. Potts mr. Rinaldi mr. Rinaldi mr. Reneal mr. Reneal mr. Nichols mr. Nichols mr. Arna Mr. Martin Mr. Wilson mr. Wilson mr. Fidele mr. Fidele Mr. Yakobosky mr. Yakobosky mr. Clark mr. Clark mr. Miller Perry sound the scope of Miller Perry sound the scope of Jones Jones Thompson mr. Barrett mr. Barrett this is Monroe Monroe miss Scott miss Scott mr. Eurek mr. Eurek mr. Bailey mr. Bailey mr. Hillier mr. Hillier mr. Walker mr. Walker mr. Smith mr. Smith mr. marto mr. mcdonnell mr. mcdonnell mr. pettapiece to pettapiece mr. Moor willer Hamilton he stone and Cree this side this is jailer this is Taylor this is not a shack It's arms strong this arms strong is fight is fight was four star must for a star mr Mr. Mansfield, Mr. Hatfield, Mr. Gates, Mr. Gates, Ms. Gretzky, Ms. Gretzky, Ms. French. All those opposed will please rise and one at a time and be recognized by the clerk. Mr. 91, the nays are zero. Eyes being 91 and these nays being zero, I declare the motion carried. The bill does seem like you've pushed it a while. As you understand, in order of the House, dated December the 3rd, the bill is ordered, referred to the standing committee on general government. Point of order. Point of order, the member for NAPI. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to invite all members to the front lawn. There are going to be members of the taxi industry from the city of Toronto there today. And I'm sure they'd like to hear from their representatives. Thank you. Thank you. Point of order, the member for Kitchener Center. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to introduce you to a visitor who's just arrived here at the legislature. It's my daughter. Her name is Claire Matlock and she's a third year student at the University of Toronto. Thank you. This House stands recess until 1 p.m.