become super important super soon Um, and he's just trying to help, you know at all Waymond Um So, yeah, she drags Evelyn into the I don't know the the bagel verse. I don't really know what this place is But she's uh, she's introducing her to the idea The the bagel itself And she says that uh, she's felt everything her daughter has as in like This is basically her saying jobu and joy are the same. Um There's no real way that there's no removing jobu from joy. Uh, which is what evlyn's goal is I agree. It should be jobu and joy because joy and jobu just I don't know. It just doesn't have the same ring to her Um Yeah, and she said I felt the joy and pain of having you as my mother was like damn and um They have like a flashback to the uh To gong gong being told that becky's a best friend But like it's a strange kind of flashback because there's apparently one that's shared as though it's being played by jobu as a reminder and then um Uh, evlyn is like Well, he's a different generation and she said you don't have to hide behind him anymore that um That what is right is a tiny box invented by people who are afraid which uh, I think In this context is probably actually referring to gong gong directly that he would have Decided that like like the assumption is that he thinks that I guess being gay is wrong And he's created the box of what is right as a result of fear of what he doesn't understand I guess um, okay, yeah But of course, um that same logic she's using can be extended to just everything Like doing what is right is just a tiny box for people who are afraid of the reality of what she's now preaching Yeah and There's a thing got to give the film it's due it this portion is basically The best argument they will allow jobu to make the writers now for in favor of nihilism She goes through a lot of uh realities and You know if you stop the film After she makes all those claims I feel like you'd be missing a super important component, but I guess we got to go through this In that way, um Well, it's really interesting to think about like what is what is a small box? Drawn around a particular set of behaviors mean in a in a multiverse where literally anything is possible So like this the whole movie plays with this idea of form and void, right? Like you you lose form What are you left with? Well, it doesn't mean anything. It's just like everything infinitely in all directions For an infinite amount of time It's how do you even like how do you find meaning in that and can you live without meaning?  It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't lead anywhere. It doesn't have an end And this the circle is used very cleverly in this movie overall It's like a common motif whether it's the bagels or like drawing the circle around the receipts or the washing machine Or all these different symbols, right? Everything going around around around. Yeah yeah um, but yeah, and so Textually right because this is where the film starts to really not Care as much I think for the surface level mechanics, but I still think that we'll we'll point them out for as long as I think they are Still there and still working. Um Jobu's brought it to this special area to show her her bagel that she created by putting everything onto it And it collapsed into this thing and by being exposed to it it Like it'll do it do something to you. It'll it'll introduce you to an idea. Um meanwhile like I guess You could say subtextually. It's more so she's Giving her the what at what nihilism is explaining it almost. Um, and it's it starts convincing Evelyn basically um She says all this time.  I was looking to see Looking for someone who could see what I see and feel what I feel Basically that um, she's the only super being of this level So she was looking for someone else who was capable of it and that's why she was just wiping through all the avalanche Until she could find one that could make it um, yeah Which I think really nicely Sorry rags it like cleverly ties back to the more grounded story here of like a daughter On the brink of nihilism who just wants her mother to understand What it is she's going through right and like relative to like all the the infinite possibilities of the multiverse It's just so like contained That grounded story that's kind of framing everything because it is used as like a narrative framework, right? like every this entire movie is framed by the the one day of like The taxes coming to a boiling point at the laundromat and the chinese new year's party later that night It's all framed within that one day, but you have all the sheer chaos kind of framed within that um Sorry, right. I didn't mean to interrupt you man. Go ahead.  She opens up their mind to the multiverse and then they die And she's like, oh, you're not a valid sort of Variation you can't handle it and yeah, it seems that the theory is correct The one that was capable of being able to sustain the multiverse is the one with the least Realized potential I think is what wayman kind of explains um Which you know is is as good of a justification as I think you're gonna get when you get to these kinds of mechanics that are so abstract Like what like, you know, it's hard to derive rules in something so crazy and fictitious as like Becoming a godlike being spread across the multiverse. What is it that mechanically would allow you to be able to become that It's like 40 an hour. It's really up to you at that point as the writer Yeah, um Yeah, so she's she's uh evalin is rung during the party by deardre. Uh, wait, is deardre or deardre? I think it's deardre I was about to say why I've heard people say deardre before right? That's like a way to pronounce that I thought deardre is a name Oh, well, are they not I know it's the name but like yeah, I don't know how you pronounce it. I don't know.   But of course, this is actually more of a like second act low point In actuality.  It's whatever It's all the same. It's all everything. Nothing means anything Nihilism Noo Embrace If nothing is anything why why orient yourself towards anything in any direction? Hey, we're gonna get one one response one of the responses you can have to this information Oh, yeah, well, this film goes over a whole bunch of them But we gotta we gotta get its full assessment of uh nihilism out first, which is You get like a reflection of it in each universe. Um in the uh In the starlet celebrity universe. She says that uh, do you really want to like Experiment the idea of us actually getting together. Do you know what would happen? We would end up Uh, living above a failing laundromat doing taxes Uh Like forever basically like telling him there'll be no point in them hooking up because that would be their fate sort of thing Um Taxes forever. I wouldn't worry about that one and then She starts giving a little speech after it does intercut with how she's basically broken up with sausage fingers world She's like nah, we're not doing this. We're done And uh, I know eyes go fully black in the in the Bagel universe. It's like it's all it's all coming down. Oh, deary Oh dear, and she says um Another year pretending that we know what we're doing when really we're just going around in circles doing laundry and taxes laundry and taxes Just like oh, man She's also drunk at this point And you just uh, it ain't going well and then she uh, yeah, she puts the mic mic down and signs the divorce papers Which again, I think uh, what we were talking about, you know five hours ago I think it's true that I I could see that the divorce papers were more so His way of opening up the conversation about it See what would go next not necessarily just ending the conversation with her signing immediately and it being done with He's clearly not happy that that's happening.   She's had enough And I think it's it goes through a couple universes one where uh, look what look look at this look at this is horrible He revealed raka kuni to the world Which um You know, that's the first reveal of raka kuni to the world. Yeah, like she knew about it. Well, yeah Now, you know now, it's like a Dark Souls boss the first reveal of raka kuni The hell bar appears at the bottom I think she screams in the like the singer universe And um, and it ends with one that's probably the the harshest in tips are just like damn. She uh She stabs Wayman's with a shot of glass and like the main one that we've been with in main universe sort of thing um Because yeah, she's basically like fully committed to nihilism A great uh visual metaphor too for like, oh you actually signed the papers like oh my god Might as well have stabbed me in the heart, right? Well, luckily she doesn't stab me in anything lethal, but uh still stab. Okay. Yeah And then I think joy says not a single moment will go by without every other universe screaming for your attention never fully there Just a lifetime of fractured moments contradictions confusion with only a few specs of time where anything makes sense Just uh Very depressing part because it's just like everything sucks And uh, the arrestor obviously for attacking the place And once she's in cuffs, she just folds the ground and Tins into a rock Which um, you may think i'm I don't know saying something non-literal, but I mean It kind of looks that way This goes boom This rock scene was another plateau for me where it's just like I cannot believe what i'm watching right now But yeah, it's work. It's working so well. That's how you know do you mean Peak or do you actually mean plateau? uh Well, because they're kind of on like a plateau, so What yeah, I don't mean it literally in that sense. I just mean like You know like this has reached an other level of unbelievableness where it's like I would not ever expect to watch this in a movie You know or like I can't believe the movie is doing this right now where like you're You're entertaining the idea of them Just being on this cliff edge for like what like three minutes solid of just like no Dialogue or anything just ambient sound and just like subtitled Dialogue over top the rocks because the rocks are like talking to each other And it's almost like are we in the chief in a little bit where i'm reading the subtitles and they're like lacking in Grammar and punctuation a little bit where like they're saying ha ha ha I'm just like I cannot believe i'm fucking watching this right now. It's a fun way to present this. Yeah totally Yeah, and I think that they even bait for a little bit like they show us the rocks for a while And then a subtitle turns up as if for for a moment they might think are we just gonna see them as rocks for a while? It's like no, they're actually gonna talk But those who are like how do rocks talk? Please Amazingly, it's just thank god.  They're not They have no form but just to be there sitting rigid not doing anything and that's the point and we're just Sitting there watching that for minutes on end and then And then action follows after that obviously, but just I just appreciated that one moment where it's just like These are two completely inert objects, but they have Like personality ejected into them through this like subtitle device that they're using here, you know the White Joy, I think the black subtitles are uh, Evelyn. Yeah It's an interesting uh Change of pace considering that it comes right off the back of probably the most intense like a moment up until this point Because we just had to her jump it through like a million different universes. Yeah And now we're just hard cut to two rocks sitting on a cliff. It's it's it's a great background as well Like the scenery is is uh is nice. Yeah, it's um It was it was a great choice like to have it and and yeah, what you said they're about like potential energy I hadn't even thought of that. It's like, yeah, I mean, I guess there's that that's true And we I mean we see it later on when they come well for now jumping ahead. No we'll get there Well, I was I was trying to think of it in like the because it's been a while since I took physics in high school but like when uh An object is positioned above Uh, whatever the determined like surface Level is like an object is placed x amount of however Whatever units of measurement you want to use as a measurement Like where it's separated from the surface to like Wherever the object is positioned you can calculate a certain amount of potential energy That that has to like fall to that Actually, and then when it pulls the potential energy becomes like realized energy that's being expended Exactly. Yeah, so there the rocks are on this cliff right now But if you were to take away that cliff and the rocks were to just drop to a certain Surface level point whatever it is because it's all like relative right like as you can determine multiple points about where The base level is for them to be striking hard ground Like because you could let go down infinitely to the earth's core. I guess but like um, I just think that ties in so well with like the the idea that this Evelyn that we're seeing in the movie is like the the quote-unquote worst evelyn because she has Done the least to take advantage of her potential, but that gives her the edge to Jump to these multiverses and gain these abilities to accomplish something truly um What is it x excellent? I guess I don't know. You know what I mean Um Yeah, and I think it's just A nice she like treats it as though it's a pocket universe or rather a universe that she's aware of that she can go Because it's so peaceful. There's not a single thing to worry about Nobody's doing anything. No one's going anywhere. It's just a you just be a rock Yeah Which um, I also think sort of doubles up is like It's um In a sense like that's all anything is we're all just Stardust Floating through the universe no different necessarily than a rock depending on how broad and how How broad you want to go but I uh Yeah, it's it's it's quite a scene and it's funny because I Uh, a lot of people I saw when they were first comparing this in docks strange were like Two rocks managed to achieve more than like docks of strangers the whole movie could do Yeah It's our good reiling Actually wanting to tell a story god forbid Yeah um, yeah, and then so joy just starts talking about how as a rock that uh Everything we discover the more we learn the more we spread the more we realize just how small and shit we are um Just all of it is just a big reminder And uh, I think evlyn says yeah, it's a big fucking joke Um And then joy says I've been trapped by like this for so long experiencing everything I was hoping you would see something. I didn't that you'd convince me there was another way She says uh, you know what you're talking about And she's like the the reason she built the bagel wasn't to destroy everything it was to destroy herself Uh could going in actually Give her an escape could she die? And at least this way she doesn't have to do it alone now Um And yeah, and so that is Sort of the the entire portion for evlyn being fully convinced I think and now it's time to just enter the bagel And end it all uh Is is the idea and um Yeah, evlyn comes pretty close except You know being aware of of all universes at once she starts to she can just hear Deidre and uh and weyman talking in the In the party Which is a curiosity. It's just like what in the world would he be saying? Why even bother? Um And uh, it looks like It's actually like Having an effect it's working because if you imagine right if deadre is the kind of person right now who's just been Ignored and screwed over by these people and they're trying to take advantage of Tax information stuff to the point Where she's already had a lean on there on their place and now she's having it seized What in the world could weyman say to her to get her to stop like And I think even uh evlyn says like that's just like impossible and uh joy says it's a statistical inevitability. It's not special Just like okay. Yeah but um Curiosity nonetheless, right? It's just like what what did he say? right um And yeah, well and it's cool because deadre looks really like She's struggling with with the information.  All right Gosh, where have you been sir? Where have you been? Really? Yeah, I mean uh, he's been learning kung fu Dude, he must have been like martial arts training or meditating or something with all that time because like he has a remarkable control over his like His physicality and his meant his emotions and his mental state like and it's just Yeah, it's like the acting well, we see him in the other universe where they meet at the you know, at the theater just the fact that He can be you know in a different A different outfit behaving differently, you know this hair slicked back and everything He just seems like an entirely different person because he could make us believe it, you know totally Yes, um This thing you can you can do Like really good actors can where they can get the the tears flaring up They can make the eyes really believable in terms of Because I can just you can just be a screen Look at him. You can detect so much about what he's feeling Uh Because yeah, he doesn't even he doesn't even want to tell Evelyn what he said to get them more time um And so it's like hmm But then he starts talking in another world that she gets distracted by and it's it's Waymond in celebrity land Uh Who says uh, you think i'm weak don't you all those years ago when we fell in love your father said I was too sweet for my own good and maybe he was right Uh And then we cut over to the universe where gong gong is trying to kill her with his with his alpha cult And Waymond stands in front of her to say please everyone stop fighting And it's just like you start to get a vibe. It's like, oh We have Wayman's coming through in a lot of ways right now What's what's going on here and he says he's a good guy Um Yeah, uh back in the celebrity university says you could you can tell me it's a cruel world And we're all running around in circles. I already know that I've been on this earth as many days as you Um But when I choose the good side of things I'm not being naive. It's strategic necessary It's how I've learned to survive through everything Just like oh, we're introducing some new points of view here Yeah, yeah and um Yeah to the the alpha verse people he says, um, I know you're all fighting because you're scared and confused I'm confused too All day. I don't know what the heck is going on. But somehow this feels like it's all my fault it's like I don't know. It feels like such an appeal to Uh, the the world it decides right out of Bethasaradia. I suppose this message could come out at any time But um, this is it's quite a bit of tension into a moll in the world at this point our one and um, I appreciate this So On that level the uh, the fact that he's saying like everyone's angry everyone's confused everyone wants to fight And at the same time you can feel like it's your own fault that more things aren't being done Yes um Yeah, and he says, uh, he has no idea What to do about it. He has no idea what what the solution is He just knows that you need to be kind especially when you don't know what's going on And again so much that applies to In a detailed way that that would be really meaningful But I just like that it's broad enough that anyone can read into this however they want You know, we we're gonna make another that that another doctor strange comparison where America just gets a little cheap pep talk at the end and she saves everything And this is similar but it's just so much more Earned and well done and you know established so much more impressive Yeah, uh We have a wayman Simultaneously in several universes committing to different actions that are all incredibly meaningful but follow suit in One strong through line about the way that he believes you should operate in the world And it's And it's simultaneously is in opposition to the thing Evelyn just concluded so Like we ain't we ain't done yet and um Yeah, he says you see yourself as a fighter. I see myself as one too. This is how I fight um Meaning by being kind and if you think about everything we've been going over in this film it matches up He doesn't just like Do kind things because of what Evelyn thought which was that he's kind of an idiot and doesn't know How to solve problems is because he believes that's how you solve problems That is his philosophy and his approach and the fact that it's an approach that seems to be consistent across several different universes has to mean something Yeah, it's very important to who he is It like of all the choices he makes in his different universes That's one of the ones that stays constant or at least more so than other ones Part of the reason why it's so poignant is because this perspective hasn't been It hasn't been able to be expressed up until this point in the film It's only been like conflicts sort of open direct conflict and then nihilism And then you don't just have a much more positive outlook, which has been nice to people try to be kind and consider it And like that's the way to try and I guess fight for More broadly a sense of meaning and purpose in life Yeah Even when you're confused and scared and angry and blaming yourself It's like even in the face of those confused emotions You know, you can still choose to to be kind It's a nice wholesome message to come out especially in the face of such abject nihilism Yeah It's uh and and you know what's interesting to me as well is that it's not even The film I think is like that's not enough. We got to go further than that because she even says it's too late um Which is so it's like it's got to be more even more than what we already have but uh Because he says you can still turn around Or you can still like do something about this but then joe boo's the one that says you can still turn around and avoid all of this And I think what she's kind of going with there is like Look There's obviously a pathway there you can take but it's full of stuff and things and Trials and all kinds of pressures and stuff. It's like you can avoid all of it It's a very interesting way to put it as opposed to escape it like like just don't don't deal with any of it You just don't you don't have to so don't and um but then uh Evelyn touches his hand And then we got a big like montage of all of these happy moments in these mundane settings with him Because he's such a nice guy Yeah, because their life May has meaning to them. It may be in a bad place right now, but it was never because of him Don't lose. Yeah, and I guess it's like don't lose sight of the good things, you know Like all of these happy memories I think this is the The completion of one of the many sort of arcs that we we had set up is that she had Ironiously concluded that it was him that took her down a bad path Like being with him was it couldn't have anything less to do with him. It's much more complicated than that I think this is her realizing that finally Yeah, especially when you have him say like yeah, you know in a different life I would have been happy to just like do taxes with you, you know and do laundry it's um It's kind of like trying to step away from I think what is probably Something that can be easy to slip into when you think of other possibilities in life is the externals The things that you can get and accrue money fame um Whereas in this case even in that world he's just like yeah, I mean even me sitting here wearing a suit like It's not really it's about experiences more so than than um Then like attaining things or like trying to you know, like appreciating Appreciating what you have rather than what you could have In like a world that isn't yours, you know yes That was the line in the movie that made me It really amazed me, you know, and I was like oh wow this movie is actually about something You know good like Right because it's like telling you like count your blessings and to find Like they're whatever your predicament is in life. There is something to find to appreciate and that if you Had if you were able to live out whatever your fantasy life was You might very well be yearning for aspects of the life you thought to be insignificant You know what I mean? I like the color change on their faces like to imply their That that multiversal nature Yeah, yeah, because that's the effect I go with just to imply that she's cycling through a whole bunch of Universes with him in it. I think is what we're getting from that and that he's a he's a really nice person in all of them Yeah, and particularly from kind of this ish point forwards You have a lot of these very meaningful emotional moments and they make the The fanny pack kung fu and the dildo fight seem really far away Like it's almost a different movie like you've just you finish that movie that movie's done And you're watching an entirely different movie This is against the real fucking meaningful stuff instead of the we're having a little bit of fun here stuff Yeah Because yeah, like that really all starts coming together here Genuinely this power of fiction.  Let's watch that. Yeah, and then by the end of it because I'm the teacher I wasn't asking And by the end of it They will have understood theoretically more than they may have from the textbook because it's all about that delivery, you know Yes, that's what storytelling that's that's like the power of storytelling is it's a vehicle for lessons and um And and a method of posing questions in a way that can be just I guess just leverages empathy Leverages our uh understanding of like the human experience and the other people have these experiences to It's a good vehicle for conveying these messages like through characters I think it's a lot better at instilling those ideas than just being told about it Exactly dude for like human beings. I think there's no more effective delivery method than Story narrative. Yeah, exactly. That's how people absorb wisdom I think so it makes sense as a foundational part of like human culture. It's one of the earliest things we would have been doing Yes, yeah, it's really just and being able to process You can see it here right we tell stories about ourselves and we have Evelyn had a story about herself here like multiple stories about herself that kind of conflict What she wants versus what she thinks she has versus what she has These are all like different stories in her head of who she is um And she doesn't have like a clear grasp on probably the most important one which is what you really have Um and the value that that gives you rather than what you wish you had what you want to make people think that you have um, yeah that that moment where uh In the universe where they're both actors And they have both gone their own way and they've become quote-unquote successes in their own individual paths where they presumably have Ridiculous amounts of money or whatever. They're both successful actors But then they come together together in this instance and they that that guy wayman says, uh I I could imagine a universe. I'm paraphrasing, but it's like I could imagine a universe where I would just do taxes and Whatever the other thing is with oh, don't worry. Yeah, we so that line's right here. He says, um Even though you've broken my heart once again I wanted to say in another life. That was the moment That was the moment for me that won me over. I was just okay. Oh dude, that's right There's a couple of quotes in this that I love that one might be the best one. There's a couple other contenders um But yeah, it's so human to be like I would really have liked just doing laundry and taxes with you It's like, aw Like that's that to them in that universe is everything to them is just Imagining in a universe where they are just living together together keyword in the most boring existence Possible, but they're together. So it doesn't matter how boring it is, right? So it's just let's like overarching message of like it doesn't matter what you're doing But like who you're doing it with Kind of thing, right? it's just like What matters is the people in your life and the joy that they bring you just their presence and uh That that blew me away in particular just that one line. I was just like this sold me.   Yes You're right Like you have to count your blessings and realize like it's it's more than just what you've accumulated in life it's You know in terms of like material wealth or belongings or whatever it's just like Who are the people that you've met? How have they kind of magnified your Your life and uh How do they complement your life in a meaningful way and And just uh, I mean this all climaxes in the scene. We haven't even got to yet.  Sorry. Um, well, you know, it's all good So mentioned like wouldn't the message be better conveyed if she wasn't struggling so much What's so bad about an alternate universe with a laundry matter successful instead of almost broke? I think that's important as an element here is that She believes a lot of the material circumstances of like Determined that the the pathway is worthless. Like it's that that makes it all There's nothing of value here when it's clear. There's something of great value here a lot of things actually, um You need like a her material circumstances to be really shit, um For I think for this story to work as well as it does Because if if everything is going well and she's really down, I feel like it's um, It doesn't make the point as clear Um Because it's supposed to be that the character believes it's those realities that are making life not worth living almost Um, and it's even bled into her blaming these people Who with her as opposed to realizing there's something more complicated going on I think it it ups us into being able to explore more about this It's a little bit more complicated, but I guess we'll just we'll we'll push on a bit more because why not? um She like I think embraces them in a couple of universes appreciating the value he brings and uh, I just like that it ends with a shot of He's got like a strong bold up fist ready to fight at the beginning of the scene and then at the end of it it just relents And becomes a chilled out hand Um And so yeah, she's got a reason now already at least one To to remain and a complete alternative a response if you will to the the concept joe boo's bringing up And now that that's over joe boo comes back in and she's like oh so cute And she says yeah, let me make this easy It all eventually goes away nothing lasts you know just Just why why not just die? and um, yes Man is is there ever gonna be a better line than age of ultron to summarize the response to that one?  But it it like has that restraint to just keep it as brief as it needs to be it's just like sometimes it all goes away And that's it. That's all you need. You don't need to Write it in any more detail than that. You've encapsulated it already I appreciated that. Yeah. Yeah, um the line i'm referencing though for anybody who doesn't remember is In age of ultron, which is a garbage movie for the most part, uh, maybe we'll cover it someday but There's uh, obviously all the ultron bots are getting wiped out and there's only like one left and vision goes to get it And I think the ultron bot prompts him by saying Like he says they're doomed. Uh, that's which vision says yes and then he says but the thing isn't beautiful because it lasts Which is I think the most succinct response you can get to the idea that everything dies. It would be like, yeah That's not why we value it. Is it exactly the the ultron The ultron puppets are all avatars of ultron essentially, right? Yeah. Yeah, like so you're talking to ultron basically And yeah, there were there were moments in that that I actually liked. I like the whole idea of like Puppets on strings, you know This That movie had potential man. It had potential. It's certainly had potential Yeah, it's just a great line because there's a lot of content that deals with this topic that everything every roller once is going with as well Um A bit of a fundamental one It's almost like a starting point and then you start looking into other things Gotta get this one out of the way, you know Like the whole yes, what is the point in living and what is the meaning of life? Sort of things like yep, we get those and then we'll move on to the most specific ones, but Uh, when this is executed really well, which I think it is in this movie and other bits of content that I quite like Yeah, it becomes quite a favor oftentimes Um So, yeah, uh, she activates the bagel And it even sucks in some of her followers straight away and this it's it's it's pretty grim actually like It's just this screaming as like they're getting ripped into it and um I don't know if that's like on purpose to to try and show another layer of why it's something you shouldn't do I was getting south park vibe so off it, you know Like just like the guy who's like getting sucked into the bagel and he's just like getting torn up. Yeah, exactly this frame right here He's just like I could I could definitely picture the standard south park Um It's like when global warming attacks that one guy in that episode Parody day after tomorrow. Yeah It's almost like that's um It's almost like that's also a line from trey the uh Because it lost one Brad Pitt trey I assume that's what they're referencing like or like the original story Well, I don't know. Yeah, I'd be interested to know though um Yeah, so This this is what I feel is like the full on I don't know if I'd call this the third act at this point. I guess because it would have started earlier Yeah, it's hard to tell where the third act really To kind of start I think I to get what I want is I would say it is I think this movie has a very conventional structure But if you were to analyze it in Like the the way it kind of on a surface level divides itself up where like you have part one everything Part two everywhere part three all at once It's a very uneven structure. Yeah underneath that. I think there's a very conventional three act structure The reason why I would pick here is the beginning of the third act It's just because it feels like it fits in with my understanding of a lot of stories where second act low point and then whatever Thing that happens at the second act low point to bring the hero back in um Is you like it I can't believe them. This is where my brain's going.  We've got The uh, the alpha verse crew are going to they want joe boo dead And they see now that if joe boo enters the the bagel that might kill her and she wants to do that So they need to ensure she gets to the bagel. She needs to ensure she gets to the bagel So both factions belonging to those like cults if you will Are all going to be aimed against evelyn and we've had wayman to bring evelyn back from the brink And arms her with the idea of don't fight them to fight be kind And so that's like our stakes And it's as simple as there's a series of stairs that joe boo is going to be walking up and you got to stop her Yep um And so I mean you have all of this absurd fucking surface all this crazy tech and Almost magic and all these mechanics going on but You know what's going on underneath like please daughter don't include The the the action you're gonna do right now and this is this is Simple as that I guess what i'm getting at Right um, which is really cool. Uh, well, I guess it's it's this is the point when the symbolism becomes like super duper strong and overpowers like I guess the the more like I guess the straightforward mechanics of how everything is working Like this is the part when it starts to transition into like this is like the point of the movie essentially Like these are the themes and the symbols of imagery all like coalescing I would argue we're about to Machine gun payoffs like this is this is where the whole film has been building up to um Also why it was Necessary to lie down all that groundwork for as long as it took Apparently the quote is and I don't know if this is from the original or from the movie But um because it does sound familiar but the gods envious because we're mortal because every moment might be our last Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed Which does sound like a like that line could inspire the one in age of ultron actually like a different version of that Good line, you know, yeah um So yeah, she starts heading off and Evelyn goes to attack them to prevent them from doing it But wayman is like please enough like Not fighting And so lessons this time.  Why did deidra give them an extra week? What did wayman say to her? And uh, she asked her about it and deidra says she told me about your situation being that he's served you divorce papers And then she says when I got served divorce papers, I drove my husband's car through a neighbor's house And uh, she did mention an ex earlier Well, it's just but it wasn't wasn't on our mind This feels to me pretty potent in terms of um, you know how it's often said like you don't know what's going on in someone else's head Like you have no idea what they're dealing with in their life Yeah, I have any manner of problems that uh that they're dealing with that you're just completely unaware of and like even just A recognition that they may well You know a recognition that they're another person who probably has the same thought process as you and the same struggles as you Just realizing that And like acting on it can make a world of difference to that person Yeah, genuinely Great stuff because up to this point in the movie deidra's kind of characterizes just being the annoying useless asshole irs agent who doesn't understand Like struggles everyone's going through and that's when you're not even including the fact that all the alternate versions of Who have just been aggressive and trying to kill us like as as the main character sort of thing, uh and now Is like you find out like maybe a lot of her anger does come from the fact that that happened And then she says um, it's unlovable bitches like us that make the will go around And it's just Yeah, so the reality underlying deidra is a character is the fact that she thinks no one can love her But of course in the universe that can't be true There's gotta be some in some place where she's lobbed. Well, we know of a universe where someone loves her That's right That's what i'm saying.  Well, yeah, sure sausage fingers But there are people who live in this world who have like real struggles and real relationships Despite the absurdity of the universe. It's still populated by people life deidra This is where this movie really amazed me Is where you have this extreme juxtaposition between the ridiculousness of hotdog fingers universe and Like using that to actually make a legit point about existence You know, this is uh, this scene is probably it's one of these strongest examples like i've ever seen a marrying comedy in drama Right and I think most directors would shy away from this because they know when it comes to award season If they if their movie is perceived as being too funny Then they will be omitted from earning certain awards, which is fucking bullshit, right?  Yeah, because it's so intrinsic to existence I mean like people have a sense of humor as like a partly as a defense mechanism, right to kind of fend off the Nihilism, I mean ironically. Yeah You guys just yeah, you're right like the humor is not way What you guys are convinced we not to see it because it sounds real schmaltzy like well I guess it is schmaltzy referring to like it's super um, almost like like Like what's what are the words I could use to emotional? I don't know if that's quite right almost like Children's type of emotional where it's just like we all make it through in the end We all do happy bubble. I was like, I mean it is to a degree. Um, it's trying to be very very real about Some of the realities we we should approach life with it's a lot a lot of this is advice Recommendations and insight. Yeah, I I wouldn't want to You know rule out Well, someone said juvenile see I'd be like, I I don't think that's fair at all. No, no No, right. No That's not Well comedy and juvenility are our our thought of is synonymous a lot of the time when that's really not the case Stam attitude that makes people think cartoons are for kids Um, right. Yes, whereas it's like no, holy shit like these these are universal like comedy is universal Um, but I mean as for like this film I think that what it's trying to say is simple but it's like as in like the point at its core is pretty simple, but It's it's like that that would be omitting so much of the uh the texture of it And like the fact that it is in in a sense honest as we'll start to see like as we Like it's shortly after This scene where we start to get like some real honesty on this subject Even even within the context of a a much more positive and upbeat uplifting a message Which is what the film has. Yeah. So yeah, the film is quite optimistic To clarify right like what they're showing is the the hard dog fingers universe But the these two we keep seeing that the relationship whatever it was is getting fucked up by evelyn Constantly temporarily traveling to this world and being freaked out by everything and moving away from her when Apparently these two are in like a full relationship in this world. So yeah, like it's damaged as a result. Um and she's repairing it right now by Listening to her play the piano with her feet because she can't with her sausage fingers. It's like And what I find pretty interesting here as well is the song she's playing Is the song that plays when uh, she first attacks her and she gains the the kung fu moves to stop her You remember it. I missed that that's interesting. I didn't know that that's cool. Um, and what's happening in that scene It's her professing her love for deardre So Right Is there is a connection Yeah, adam Was as he said right he was hoping I guess that there would be more uh Of an original soundtrack themes that that spread throughout as opposed to sort of choices that Match for like he was hoping for songs that were built for the film specifically as opposed to Ones that have been chosen to be put in for meaning that goes beyond it or something, right? Yeah, um because we're talking about like the difference between something like star wars or um Uh Like the suicide squad The suicide squad which does the same as suicide squad in terms of including loads of songs But I feel like there's that's actually good to bring those up. There's two ways of doing it Yeah One a little bit better than the other Claire de lune. Is that the song name? How beautiful cloud de boosie Um, and yeah, and so we cut back and she has stopped her with her foot It feels weird, but it's obviously just a familiarity.   We get very good with our feet Yeah, which is just Again, it's just like ah good stuff wisdom of the ancients and uh To solve the true the truism of there's always something to love even in a situation that's so absurd As absurd as playing the piano with your feet like you're saying. Yeah Well, let's show about one point. She's knitting with her feet as well like We missed that Let's see if they have this image where she's you know wiping away a tear from her with her foot Yeah, like my my god. We are On a tightrope of drama and comedy.  Yeah, it's it's its own joke This embraces drama and comedy at the same time so gracefully like more gracefully than I've ever seen in a film And uh, that's what I appreciate about this movie. I think more than it does It's just like how it how well it walks that tightrope between comedy and uh Drama and seeing something actually meaningful So do you think this beats out jojo rabbit in that regard? I would happily say they draw um It's uh, I like the jojo rabbit a lot of it is about that specifically um Like the idea of clashing tones uh or experiences and emotions at once this film I think is is in somewhat in some ways about that but it's just a lot about a lot of other things too And I don't I don't feel like either one it's really hard to say right because There are going to be people who see this and they're going to say this was ruined by the the the childish jokes Like everything's trying to get across Fuck no, but um, yeah, there's there's that that element of like isn't that a part of life though the uh Sort of messing around playing like I said the first line in this film Is stop playing we don't have the time I cannot stand the pretentiousness that seeks to exclude comedy from greatness You know like as like as soon as you have Like funny material in your thing whatever it is. It's like not Considered as like a ward material. Yeah, this is a lower form of art. Exactly. Yes.  That's how we're gonna win this Not by fighting what we hate but by saving what we love Yeah, yay Yeah Um, yeah, so that's just sort of like I guess the experiment that's how it happened.  She's like don't do it Because she's she's been converted now. She's she's been radicalized in the other direction And we get what's possibly the most overt and recognizable matrix reference, I would imagine Yeah, I think she turns to the she turns to uh What's her face joy and says I know kung fu Show me show me. Um, yeah, she stops all the bullets And she uh and and and in the other universe she's picking up the baseball bat and spots the uh The googly eyes on him Gives her an idea turn all the bullets into googly eyes And then she fires on them on everybody's forehead while attaching one to her own Are they are they googly eyes or googly eyes? Uh Because she says googly eyes in this in the film That's supposed to be wrong or used anonymously On I assume or yeah, I I've always assumed they called just googly eyes, but maybe I don't know Yeah, I I don't even know they don't come up often in conversation But I think I think that's what they normally are referred to And googly eyes like it's just that's what they're called. All right Rags being I'm just asking questions. I just want to Into the bottom of things um Maybe google eyes is what happens when you spend too much time researching online Well, michelle yos character says the word google like no more google eyes Like that's the word she was maybe that's because it's just more evidence that she does get a little The way it's confused because she even mentions google translate. I think at one point So maybe she's just mixing google and googly Yeah, maybe she should have said googly translate Use googly translate like she gets googly eyes and the company google mixed up You don't know something go give it a go and go to googly So Hopping in uh One of them on everyone's heads Think it's safe to assume We're gunning for uh, opening up your mind's eye.  It should be even hilarious To some degree and that's what this movie pulled off more than Any kind of film I can think of that deals with this similar kind of subject matter, right? Is it's willing to go to that really funny territory? Or I'm just like doubling over laughing in the theater like I cannot yeah And it's not like it comes out in no way It's um We've seen them a couple times on different items in the laundromat because waymond likes to put them on things Because he finds them fun from the very first scene Yeah in the room if you if you look you will notice them They will be on the bags and everything like on the thermostat. There are the google eyes everywhere Yeah, um, yeah, she even puts googly eyes on herself as a rock Yeah Why not? I'm gonna get you.  God I was laughing so so now that the rock has googly eyes on it. It is officially a character Yeah, she's um As soon as it has eyes, yeah She says i'm learning to fight like you But it's a wayman because this is the thing man the reddit user is coming right at her He's full charge full power full force you could say and uh Go ahead deal with him. So yeah, she basically cycles through all of these people providing them via her crazy powers experiences And they they're assorted from stuff like falling in love to Like smelling perfume Uh, she fixes up a guy's like nervous system because it's all Fucked up because she gives him like chiropractic or something.  Yeah, that's true. Uh, it wasn't to tell a story. It was just to get his king con But like, you know What do you think is being said with all of the crazy nihilistic people trying to Prevent her from stopping Like them all from being able to to essentially end their existence and she's she's converting them all by giving them experiences Yep You know, how else do you put this it's like As as Frisbee actually it's like this is getting to the point where um, there's no more like like oh mechanically the multiverse He just sci-fi blah blah blah. He's just like well, no just describing what she's doing You've now like linked both the subtext and the text at the same time. They're pretty much explicit Um, I just earned you've earned this. Yeah doing a lot of work ahead of time to support this material I love that this is like, uh, like an anti fight scene basically. Yeah, like Traditionally the con the the climax here would be like Just epic martial arts stuff, right? Which has already been seen earlier in this movie But in this instance, it's like She is doing things to fill the void in the lives of whoever She's like conflicting within that instance. So it's like The suggesting the idea that all hatred in the world is kind of just an illusion basically and it's all manifest of um A manifestation of things that people are lacking in their own lives and they're angry about it And they're taking it out on someone else and she's kind of fixing that one person at a time It's like you're missing this thing from your life. Okay. Here's this thing I'm going to tap into the multiverse to fix this thing in your life And then they're fixed and then she moves on to the next guy And then making an epic third act fight scene out of that where it's not about like punching and kicking but just like resolving people's personal issues It's uh, it's very creative and uh action therapy It's uh, it makes you feel good to watch it. Yeah, I I liked how uh, anti I guess anti-conventional I guess it was you don't typically see that kind of thing Um and an important part when she's doing all this is they show joy turns to look at it and smiles which uh Gotta be gotta be getting through to her a little bit Yes Well, they're they're kind of mirror Like fun house mirror reflections of each other right like the the person who is completely embraced nihilism Which is like the joy character And then like the the Evelyn character, which is kind of taking advantage of those crazy powers but not quite Diving into the nihilism as the other character has done right Because fundamentally this is a story about a parent pulling their child away from the brink of the abyss You know nihilism which is which is a very common and relatable Thing I think you know like what parent hasn't dealt with a teenager that hasn't that has said like I wish I was never born that kind of thing, you know I feel like that's very common and very relatable I agree, uh and she pulls it down from the staircase to obviously delay her approach up there and um as she falls They're like clothes get all tangled and out of sequence sort of and she Is now wearing something that's completely disparate in terms of materials colors and even like her A hair is done in a really weird way and her makeup is like all disjointed Um because this is like the most she's just been At least when she had the full belief in Nothing meaning anything there was some level of control under that I think this now She's like at the peak of confusion and anger This is not entirely Certain on what exactly is fucking the next step because uh Her mom was on board, but now she's not and a lot of these other people who Were on board with this anymore Yeah Yeah, because like joe thought she had the right answer, but it's like maybe not and What does that mean? Yeah, and we cut to the universe where uh raka kuni was was taken away by the uh I forget who was like animal control. I think um control Yeah, and she says like let's go get him and she climbs on top of his head controlling his head to make him run after raka kuni while In the universe without having the fight her control over him manages to deliver more um Bullet experiences to all of the different foot soldiers And so um Yeah, as is often with big fight scenes at the end it like respects the same act structure in a sense in a in a minimized way there is usually a low point in a in a fight sequence and uh, we reach it just after this the um The the dad gets here. Uh, he's got like a mech suit as a thanks to his like modified wheelchair Yeah, I like the little skeleton thing he's got Though sorry, I actually he's got like microwaves taped to his body or something. Isn't it? Oh, it's it's such a like B movie outfit It's so cool Yeah, so absurd um But one thing I I went past by accident. It was just that um Uh, the raka kuni guy says like without raka kuni. I I didn't even know how to boil an egg Like I'm useless alone and then she says uh Well good thing we aren't alone Like which I think is another fundamental point this film's making don't um Don't be doing all this shit alone when it comes to life itself train us a lot of people out there experience expand grab them up friends family all kinds of folk Experience the world with him. But yeah, um He's uh gong gong is like outside of jogu.  It's just like man. Keep an eye on the The acting for that one. I'll show it on here as well Um, he's even doing a lip quiver, which is not you know, it's not the easiest thing to fake when you That's that's what you can do when you're around your lip. Yeah When you're a seasoned actor he's uh, everyone is just doing a really great job in this movie Oh, yeah, I couldn't even begin to point to the weakest link. Everyone just does such a great job You you just forget you're watching actors You know, they just totally You totally buy into everything every character every person Yes And so, um at the same time this is happening Obviously, he's grabbing her to prevent her from getting up the stairs in another universe wayman says, um to to evalin You know in relation to the in the celebrity universe. He's like He who loves the most regrets the most. Let's not live in a fantasy Like basically let's not let's not be together if it's never gonna work like the Um, she did run after him after he said the first sort of Thing that she talked to him about and then joe boo says, uh, you see it's a matter of time before everything balances itself out Which is uh, didn't we talk about this in the last stream we did? Kind of yeah Um, uh jogged my memory. What what are you referring to in particular? When she says it's only the last one you did not halo knows a catch-up stream I think but the fact you said balanced out. Yeah matter of time Before everything balances itself out referring of course to no matter what's built it'll all come crashing down essentially um And that thrashing against the universe is heading towards entropy or something like that or I think so I think that's what's being implied here is like that's a component of support for For an idealistic worldview because she keeps repeating that not everything lasts forever um and Yeah If that's even uh thing that Matters I I just it's your attitude and perspective. Um Well, yeah, that's what this film is going to do right like there's yeah part of its response.  That's being brought up because that did happen Remember that thing It's like oh Yeah, that world quite a quite a sting there. Um I let you go so so that I could live my dream of having a robotic battle axis skeleton made out of 90s printers Oh, yeah The directors are very aware of all the different character conflicts. It brings them up at like the appropriate time It's it's so well done. Yeah Um and she says you may see in her all of your greatest fears squeezed into one person I spent most of her childhood praying she wouldn't end up like me But she turned out to be stubborn aimless and a mess just like a mother This is going back to the um The laundromat. Yeah And she says but now I see it's okay that she's a mess because she like me Uh the universe gave her someone kind patient and forgiving to make up for all she lacks and She says these different things in the language appropriate to the person she's talking to like english to joy um mandarin to When she says the kind patient person directed obviously at waymond and then back to her father When she introduces joy's girlfriend Which um, yeah, that's what what joy wanted And uh, his reaction is unclear at first But uh joy leaves anyway Because um, it's it's almost like I think this moment if a joy is just like Like yeah, okay fine. You did you did the thing you did what I wanted but that doesn't change anything like In terms of making things more meaningful, but he does let it go in the in the crazy universe and She ends up trying to grab joy So begins the final boss fight if you will Uh fight Well, it's kind of um You know pretty pretty intense She grabs her and they start like having a little bit of a fist fight that just spans across universes Which feels like some form of a natural endpoint for a film about this sort of thing Well, I mean, I don't want to gloss over it I love the fact that yeah, joe boo is there doing all the crazy like poses ready to fight And then evelyn does the crazy poses, but then it opens out into a hug It's like damn. It's really great. It's like a juxtapes. You know, this is where they're at now yes Yeah, they both are essentially being realized like right before us. She's uh, she's realized what she needs to do I think about what they've been doing once they both reach the peak of their power joe boo's been arbitrarily destroying people in worlds Just because why not there's no reason not to While evelyn's been helping everybody find meaning Because why not? Yeah, they they're both using the same motivation in a sense But the the interpretation of what they've come to realize is essentially their polar opposites um This will be drilled home very soon.  It's just like you utilize in all of it yes It's an adventure just this fight scene alone is a journey And it's kind of the opposite of dr. Strange in the sense of dr. Strange's specific characters traveling across multiverses and this is Almost like it's it's the opposite where it's different characters in their own you know kind of places doing this and Like it yeah, no it gives a vibe that this is not the only And it's hard to it's hard to say like this can happen across All places, you know if this is the attitude that you want to have it doesn't have to be You know you don't have to be locked in it. Yeah, it's tough to explain. I don't know yes I think that that movie didn't have anywhere near the imagination. This movie does no I think something of an observation to be made as well is If you remember, um, the dad is encouraging her to abandon the daughter Do you remember why he abandoned her? It's because of the person she chose to love being wayman, right and You can't help but Like see that the the mum has like been given a choice of accepting and being supportive of her daughter's like realities Uh, or she could abandon her like her father did to her This is like man you title. How did you do so much work in so little time? Like you you've tied all of this in it's like damn A tight script dude Um Yeah, she keeps trying to beat her even she even sends her through some of our familiar universes we've seen before but she can't win she keeps like losing in terms of Uh dealing with Evelyn in a more definitive way, um They even end up again in the the pinata universe They're just chill it out for a second, but yeah, she says, um Ah, you said chilling out instead of hanging out Yeah, missed opportunity shame. Ah, you haven't trained me well enough. I need to learn more from you The pun master. Yeah You go to the top of the mountain where the dojo is and it's just rags and a little What's what is it that though that we're it's not a gi right that what's the you know, like riu I have no idea. I don't know why you look like riu, but in any case it's rags But riu is like i'll show you the ways of pun That feels like a episode of a tree house of horror thing I think that's actually her quote as well by the way I think she says There's gotta be a universe where I beat you or one where we tie or maybe we just hang around Hang around. Yeah. Yeah, look hanging out and hang around and not quite the same. That's true Um, and yeah, and then they they they phase into a different one As she said because it's all just a pointless swirling bucket of bullshit the bagel is where we find peace evelin And you get it you get a literal I am all the jedi moment.  I am your mother Is uh is is good because it's like reestablishing the dynamic between them isn't that jobu is some Entity beyond understanding at this point they have that they share the same power level So the only difference now is is really back to normal and it's like, yeah, I'm your mom.  I think that's the order But like they're all working With each other to pull each pull all of them away from the abyss Yeah, that's an encouragement that not don't just tell some don't just think someone else will take care of it Someone else will do the good thing then you need to you need to do it too Right, you don't know if you're working with someone you kind of are They all play a role in counteracting the meaninglessness that that can take over sometimes And what I found interesting as well is when we're at this point um Her crazy costume has been like sucked off and now she's wearing a normal costume Normal outfit that she's wearing when they're in the uh the laundromat like We've basically gotten rid of the the major portion of how she feels and now she's just desperate which is to uh Lead us into the Or the most important scene where she just says stop and they have their big discussion Out in the parking lot, which is probably what should have happened this whole time. I think that's what This whole film was leading to it was like they need to have an actual discussion Ideally what would have happened in the first act in the park.  Yeah, well, and that's what I'm saying Like we've we've like climaxed in the insane portion of the text of fighting across the whole multi-verse having robot grandpa suit Try to stop you with all these different assorted members getting the experience It's like it's like what is all this crazy variable and it's like we we've now Come all the way down back to the point of two people talking Just about something it's it's like A mother and a daughter having a very important moment. Um Yes Yeah, and she says uh, I don't want to hurt anymore whenever i'm with you it hurts both of us So let's just go our separate ways. Let me go Um and for a moment there she says okay But I was wondering what the film was gonna do at this point I was wondering like are you gonna try to know you have a message here Is like this is another message of sometimes you have to let go No matter sometimes that's just how it has to be or you got to keep trying no matter what or What are we gonna do here? They would have a couple of options. I think we get um He's falling into the the the bagel in the in the hyper sort of sci-fi universe And she almost chooses to come back out of it But it's as a result of the conversation the end of having in the uh the most grounded of the universe is I think Which um Evelyn says you are getting fat you never call me even though we have a family plan and it's free You only visit when you need something you got a tattoo and I don't care if it represents the family You know, I hate them The tattoos of all the places I could be why would I be here with you? You're right. It doesn't make any sense and even way, but this like You know stop that uh, it's like no, no, no.  It's like It doesn't matter like they're they're both Love each other as people like warts and all you know It's not but it's not just all about the the mother screwing up and the daughter is completely faultless Like there's things the daughter does that pisses the mother off and that's what kind of antagonizes her to Yeah, it's it's never been discussed. It's clearly the problem. They've never yes really had that talk And I just think that's a really sort of strong Theme for this film is the communication is so important Uh, and it's so difficult sometimes and just it makes it get to the point where we no longer even see each other as Remotely rational.  It's it's kind of incredible how many things they achieve at once in this film because there's uh There's so many references to support the idea that communication is like key Experiences the response to different.  What does that imply? Like it is you wouldn't have done that if it meant nothing, would you?  You could be anything anywhere. Why not go somewhere where your daughter is more than this? Um here all we get are a few she like throws the quote Like at her again because she said this one earlier She says we only get a few specks of time where anything actually makes sense And then she says the response which is then i'll cherish these few specks of time Yes Because uh, yeah, it's less about what we don't have or more about what we have Yes You know that meme in movies where it's like uh As a joke it's like you reinterpret scenes of a movie to say like the name of the movie in the scene It's like i have become everything everywhere all at once. Yeah If there was a scene where somebody were to say that it would be this fucking scene Yeah, but well right now you have to go inside and talk to the godfather um and then They do something that I quite love it might be one of my favorite visuals to throw in so quickly I appreciate it beyond what you could imagine so Earlier they were talking about how she you know, she mentioned like wayman to her and becky to joy is evidence of like the universe providing something that was missing And you combine that with all the other things they've been saying about meaning And how we we are where we are and how we should appreciate what we have when she makes all of these last speeches to fully convince joy We get a lot of visuals we get um Deirdre sharing her vape with evelyn and just laughing with her because it's just like yeah, that's just they're just getting along now Deirdre vape's the worst character in the hot dog worlds. Deirdre and evelyn are doing their sex dance thing Because again like we don't care about how absurd or comical any of this is We're making one point with each of these visuals or rather a unified point with each of the visuals The raka kuni guy he wasn't able to continue running but then Uh, he gets on top of evelyn and controls her with hair and they're able to reach raka kuni like working together um gong gong reaches out to and and actually like has fun with becky Which is you know huge considering a lot of this was based on the the assumption that he wouldn't be accepting her at all But he was Yeah, uh evelyn in the subtle implication That becky's life gets better after after she stops buttoning her her top button. Is it it's interesting Think about what does that mean? What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know but the question has been asked Um evelyn asks wayman in the celebrity universe to give her a chance to give their relationship a chance The the rock universe the rock smashes into the other one The singer evelyn is just on the stage laughing with her dad Presumably because she recently screamed that was part of like the the second egg low point stuff Um to like bring all the universes down but they're going they're going back up. They're okay and um They show the choir singing the wayman set up the raccoon singing and the the image is talking faster and faster and faster and faster and we see um A lot of imagery for two two things colliding and they have A red apple and a green apple Right before a really fast flash of showing uh Thea the proto planet smashing into earth Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right. It's such a beautiful way to summarize everything Yep everywhere I want it once it's um I assume there's a pretty common knowledge, but the idea is that there's a good chance Life wouldn't have formed on earth the way that it is in any way shape or form if not for that event having happened Yep In all likelihood the moon is super instrumental in the way that earth is Yeah, like it's it just fucks with all the comp like the It's it's uh, it's the start of a lot of um different shows about science It's just like this theory of like because there's evidence of Thea as a as an entity in pieces of around the earth is like Absorbed it and it changed the composition to a degree that enough Oceans and and life could form and stuff and it's just like damn What a beautiful way to tie absolutely everything and down to the fundamentals of life forming It's so it's so terrific. Like you've got this musical build-up. You've got the image of planets colliding which is just like Like the like the sheer magnitude of that and then you juxtapose that With them mother and daughter hugging in the parking lot with no sound design or music at all. It's just the dead ambience of Standing in that parking lot There's no other sounds Going on and you just sit in that ambience And you listen to them hugging it out basically Like you I feel like a a lesser director not necessarily a bad director But a lesser director would have scored that scene with like a bit of music or something To like oh the audience needs something here to like make them know We need to make sure they know how to feel Yeah, exactly costing them to understand what's happening Right, but no that's not the answer. You have to have nothing just ambience. That's all you need here And they get it. It's people get it system balance throughout the film of really broad events happening like Where we're presenting essentially like the entirety of existence and all existences and everything that that entails and then these hard cuts to um Very small moments with people because that's kind of it's it's kind of like embodied in a speech to to joy there where it's it's like Even in the vastness of the multiverse where there's all of these crazy variables and things that you're trying to count for and just the the nature of how Uh existence being so expansive it kind of means that everything is I guess meaningless in a sense nevertheless like people still Abound to each other like people still have things that they value it's kind of like hard to To like not be a human being essentially even when you're confronted with the vastness of reality and the cosmos Um, right. It's it's why I think it's such a good idea to juxtapose Those crazy events and the vastness of existence in the universe with very small quiet human moments Um, it just sort of emphasizes that even in the in the mess of everything All it is to us all the time is like those human moments. That's like the important part. That's what helps us make sense of everything That's what we care about even when we're confronted with the vastness of reality Yes, and in in that instance it becomes clear to them the characters that that is everything It's everything everywhere all at once like for those characters in that scene where it's just like they're there together Hugging nothing else is going on.  I get it Well, that's what I was about to say that's uh, if there was any way to boil this movie down into uh into a core It would be that the the the antagonistic perspective is nothing matters And the uh, protagonist perspective is nothing matters. Like it's kind of it's it's it's the same it's the same perspective I guess if you would take away all of the substance behind it But it's essentially one side is nothing matters.  So let's like get as much value out of life as possible We can do it if we want because nothing matters. It's a much more optimistic framing of uh It's it's so easy to sink into the negative. Basically nihilistic one rather than I guess lean into it's existentialism, right? Where nothing matters. So make of life what you will Which I think is basically the point that the film is espousing is kind of existentialism Not even kind of I feel like I'm downplaying it. That's basically the perspective I know what you mean the the the nothing matters line I think can be interpreted Potentially as like counter to what the scene is trying to say but what I interpreted it as is Nothing matters except this So like the the inference is the except this part where it's like well, I think matters except this moment that we're sharing here together right now Nothing else matters. I think uh, she says because she's like uh, joy says this is awkward nemens like nothing matters It's basically saying who cares like this is this is valuable. What's happening right now? This is meaningful.  What's happening right now? Yes, equally valid. I think yeah, I agree It seems to me a lot of the what the film is saying is the components that make up The nihilistic worldview that joe boo had Uh, they're just how they were compiled for her when you don't have to compile them that way You can come out with all kinds of different conclusions. Um In like in the same way that life Life-having meaning is made from your own perception Like someone could see that as like oh, well, that's not it's like Yeah, but that's the same thing as finding a lack of meaning As in like that is still down to your own perception They're both from your perspective because the the truth is nothing matters But like what you make of that is entirely up to you Right I guess unless you have a different fundamental worldview of reality I think that's the logic for a lot of things in this where it's like You go life is fleeting and it's like so we shouldn't care about it. It's like no, that's why we should care about it so much it's like You live to experience you experience as much as you can and with other people um and You know, don't believe the like experience that you value is just an impossibility Like you keep fighting you keep living you keep looking You'll you'll you'll find something because I think I think to a degree this film has a an aspect of like Fighting is living and making sure That you uh, you fight but expand the definition of fight to include being kind assisting people supporting people because almost every action you take is against just sitting down and accepting like, you know Disillusion and falling to pieces you know like Like life is essentially fighting against entropy And it feels like this film tries to tell us like being confused and angry is totally normal feeling like You know, you're tied Down in your life through a lack of the correct actions or poor actions or Other people's actions upon you or whatever like it just try to understand that the the biggest sort of Problem for all of us is that it's just a lack of understanding that we're all in the same boat sometimes Yes And um, yeah, that's that's kind of like I don't know there's this this film doing all of that It's uh, it's incredibly meaningful I love that this uh This feeling that joy and Evelyn are having right now in this instance in the parking lot where it's just like pure I think joy We're like they're embracing each other and they're so Like I think five seconds before this moment. They were sad But I feel like in this moment now they are happy beyond beyond Any moment of happiness they've Had recently, you know, this is something that's completely lacking from the lives of the Evelyn and the Wayman in the um actor universe You know where they have achieved they've gone their separate ways. They've achieved quote unquote success They've starred in movies. They have a shitload of money. They're wearing tuxedos and fancy dresses and all that but they are missing this they don't have this and This evelyn who is the quote unquote worst evelyn that has achieved Nothing relative to all the other instances of evelyn throughout the multiverse has managed to achieve this Ecstasy of just you know, I'm here with my daughter These people in my life my family They mean so much to me and this is just pure happiness that i'm experiencing right now in this small moment in the parking lot and uh They have that to be thankful for you know, I love that about it. It's just like so such a positive message And I think it's it's true, you know, there's there's joy like that to be found whatever your predicament in life is You know and you just got to learn to Count your blessings be thankful for what you do have in life, you know because I mean there's there's bound to be a bunch of people in life or there is That have life much worse off than you do You know in any instance and they still try to make it work because that's the thing is it's more of um It's not like it ignores the idea of material realities It's just trying to give you a better point of view to be able to work with yourself on like This is all it's like a form of therapy that could act for a lot of people something like this Yes And uh, I've seen people describe it as like this movie is important and it's like I can I can see how something like this can Really help somebody out there Very therapeutic I think yeah for to watch. Yeah Definitely makes you feel good in the end and it does not feel so cheaply Well that that idea of everything quote unquote being embodied in Your family and the people that are around you and Whether it's like bad or good that you're going through on that particular day You're experiencing it in the proximity of people that you love You know and it's like an adventure you're going on with them like that's The joy in life That's the secret if you if you can be lucky enough to attain that and They perceive themselves as unlucky because they think of themselves as like oh i'm stuck in this dead end Laundromat doing fucking taxes and getting audited by the irs But they they have everything there under their nose and they don't see it You know that's that's what I love so much about this Um Yeah, we we cut over to we're back where we were square one again doing the taxes on the table and it says all at once Because now it's like with everything we've come to learn Where does it take us next about about all this different stuff and uh First and foremost when they get to the irs place You see that uh, she's like I think she says like Uh grow your hair out to Becky Which um again just in line with the whole like she's saying that stuff because she cares not because she's being a bitch or anything Um, they've got their cookies as well ready for deardre and Um as they're going in she gives wayman the big old passionate kiss Which I think reflects what he saw When he was first here with those other two that he made him feel like there's a lot more potential There and you know Can love bloom at the inter internal revenue service office They can indeed. Yeah, this one's definitely arguing so um, yeah, and then and then they're there and and uh Deirdre says So things are better you listened But you didn't listen you didn't account for some kind of section c and she starts Trailing off and and we hear a whole bunch of sounds and distortions Presumably from evlyn listening to other universes And it starts to fade a little bit and then she says evlyn are you listening? And she says yes and it ends Which she says I could you say that again, right? Oh, right. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah It was pretty emblematic of something that is kind of being reinforced consistently in this film, which is to focus on Where you are right now and your situation because at this point I think you can look at this last part and be like wait So did any of that happen like did any of of what we just saw before with the crazy multiverse stuff happen? when we have essentially Kind of like this is this is what happens in the real world Like what we would consider being these crazy multiverses are just you mentally drifting off and thinking about what if what if I'd done this What about this world? Like what if I was doing that? um, but now She's paying attention to the world that she's in you know, it's like oh, sorry like she She puts that out of mind and focuses in on where she is right now Um as opposed to allowing herself to just drift off into all of these different alternatives that aren't her life um Rather than fully being immersed in her life right now Yeah, and um, I think in they they went very deliberately without instead of having it be your taxes are great You're all great. Everything's great. Whoo. This is literally things are better But there are problems progress. We've got to deal with them progress. And yeah, and I think the with everything easy With everything that was established in the film um Is is is like you might think that the is like happily ever after but the film is like well Life has its challenges and you got to deal with them. You can't ignore them And that's that's okay I like that. It's like uh A newfound perception on life within the the same framework as before where you've still got these problems Like being audited But she has the problems can go away. She's still yes problems. Yeah, but this time around She's looking at the members of her family and she's getting lost In the infinite complexity of each of them individually, you know, it's just like um, there's my daughter She's got her own life and all these different things. There's my father He's got her his own story and this he's living it out and this That's his story and then he she looks at her husband thinks the same thing And she's uh without going into the multiverse thing of it she's kind of Entranced by the complexity of all the lives of her family and appreciating their presence But then also like looking at the the um insurance agent and going. Oh, sorry. What what did you say like? So I I I tuned out of this in Universe for a small moment, but I didn't jump out of this universe. I was staying within this universe, but just appreciating The um the near infinite complexity of my family members, but now I'm like focused on you like what was that again? I appreciated the uh Like the the scale and yet the minutiae of that at the same time And I think that's kind of the magic quality that a final scene of a movie should try and Capture, you know Yeah, um I see it's like it's just just everything is well Everything that was said of this movie was true about motivation and stuff But it doesn't make the taxes go away. That is a problem to be dealt with and don't Like because it was the springboard for the whole story in a sense.   You'll be okay and uh That's why I would go as far as saying I hope this film never gets a sequel because it's it's done. It's made all these ones Yeah, wait wait for it. It'll come everything everywhere. All it wants to nothing nowhere Never God that's like the opposite movie where everything's really like sad You're like as well at the end where they stretch out the title and the only letter that doesn't is the O Yeah noise um But yeah, that's that's the end of the movie then that's the credits we did it Hooray, we did it we managed to cover a very dense very dense We were three hours off doing the same as doc strange 2 Man, yeah, but I oh it's hmm Both of those movies both of these movies are very very dense. Yes one is dense with badness. One is dense with goodness I agree They really are just like opposites of one another they kind of deal with some similar topics, but their quality levels are just One is phenomenally good. One is horrifically terrible It's literally night and day.   This is like such a deliberate Thoughtful like well crafted. Um story.  Okay, there's a term for it. It's modular Something I can't remember, but it's the idea that There's universes like this universe where like every kind of absurdity you can think of exists In a way that's as real as this universe is real and uh I mean, I don't know if i'm on board with that because like it's like that rick and morty thing where you have like couches sitting on pizzas ordering people to the house like Just like this makes zero sense.  Yeah. Yeah, John cheese Um Yeah, I see that about does it for the movie discussion. Um, unless there's anything else anyone want to say about it Oh, no, I'm uh Running out of steam here after all of this conversation and sitting and focusing on this movie watching it playthrough on my filerino Lots to appreciate Good well In that case then uh, is everyone all right with me to go into the super chat see what messages we've been sent Sure sweet Um, yeah, I guess I'll just start from the beginning first one says mohler I don't know if you've seen men, but it does have a six minute long graphic m preg inflation birthing body horror sequence at the end um I know the capital opinion said it was bad and he's very familiar with alex garland's work So i'm willing to believe that it is bad I fucking love that movie x machina that he did so. Oh, yeah, i'm very tempted to watch it Didn't love devs didn't love Annihilation from what it sounds like i'm not gonna love this Oh, yeah Oh, well Uh, I hate jake kenobi. Well, we're watching that tomorrow. So jake kenobi. Oh, no Yeah, we'll we'll see who knows I'm not joking. Look it up. Jared leto has a cult on an island. It's weird as hell Uh, yeah, I've heard about that. I don't know the specifics of it. Um, yeah, it seems pretty weird Swedish chef mob mob mob All right Please have a two hour tangent about obi one on efab.  No, you got plenty of tangents. Yeah Uh, kenobi proves how little destiny no disney, sorry in the tile Here's about their own cannon seriously.  Or did book of boba fat break you? No, we'll get out of there. We'll get out of that one But organize our team right to break it down Um, for any thoughts about multi versus game looks fun Uh, oh, that's the uh, yeah, it's Warner Brothers like smash brother thing. It looks fun, but I don't really know a whole lot about it I might check it out Uh, have you seen love death and robots? Do you like it? No, I haven't seen it I assume the other two lads here haven't either I tweeted about that multiverse thing because the trailer that came out It had like Batman and Super Saiyan shaggy fighting bugs.  Where are we? You know what I mean? Like what does anything mean anymore? Like this is so absurd Uh, it annoys me how some movie reviewers say shut up and listen to me talk or don't tell me if you disagree without even realizing it Uh, don't tell me if you disagree. Oh I guess like they're not interested in hearing the negative or differing perspectives But like what if it improved your understanding of the thing, you know, I well, I mean, of course it could but I don't know Depends on if you yeah Uh, finally if I will explain the meaning of life the universe and everything I've been eagerly awaiting this moment for years high rags Hi We've talked about nihilism before don't worry. Oh, yeah. I I I hope Those who watched the movie felt this was everything they were looking for in coverage of it because uh Yeah, we we talked about a lot of the scenes in the film. I think quite a few many EFAP fnt and it's a gun that have inspired me to follow my dream I put together a rock band called grass wolf and we just released our first album moonshine There are covers of tell me why from berserk and escape from the city from sonic I mean a lot to me if you'd hear it. It's streaming most places. Thank you for everything. Good boy rags No, thank you. And it's it's grass.  Yeah, just wolves and grass You know just yeah But then it has yeah amazon music unlimited I see um I appreciate the ambition, but it seems a little hard to break down everything that's ever been good hustle though guys Yeah, I mean why not right? We were gonna just just cover everything Once this is done. That's that's the last efev episode. There's no need to do another one Read pixar's 22 rules of storytelling and tell me if you agree with them Hmm Damn it. I'm playing mara caught so Pixars 22 rules of storytelling. Well, I mean this is probably something we would Save a different thing for right you might put a note for like uh episode 200 Something like that we can go through some of those that that sounds like it Maybe it might be worthwhile to point out. This is number one. You admire a character for trying more than for their success True I think which is true. Yeah, I think when it comes to the Storytelling being that there's some sort of plight to overcome the success itself is kind of Secondary to them putting in the effort to do it and the trials and tribulations that stem from it But we can we can go through that another time Um, this movie was phenomenal loved every minute Yeah, I kind of did too. I thought it was great. Yeah Um, I thought the gold standard was bio shock infinite for multiverse stuff.    Yeah, I'm sure it'll be great Um, hello mumble Bong and crew thoughts on interstellar heard on previous streams that you thought it was awful Could you give me some reasons?  I'm not sure And we were comparing our thoughts on nolan movies and we lined up on every single one except interstellar He was like, hmm Pretty sure if you if you hate too much on whether or not things make sense in that film It's gonna damage a lot of the value of like what's in it and the good stuff that's in it And and I was like, all right, let us do something crazy. We will watch it together And uh, we will we will literally e-fap it. I I actually like went through it with him and paused to have a discussion Yes and um And don't worry It's actually all recorded. Uh, that was the premise of doing it because I said it would be useful If you can um argue me out at some positions. I'll I'll I'll put in a video someday probably And um, I think by the end of it.  There is so much I legit after watching it with him and discussing it with him My understanding of interstellar is less than it was before I thought I had a handle on it, but now I no longer have as strong a handle is so bad Did you know that black holes have oxygen and the temperature? Is it a place that a human could survive in it? No, it's like like one of a hundred things.  I'll get there. Um It's it's quite a movie It really is so, you know more on that at some point Yeah, also. Yeah, I can finish it Oh Yeah, yeah Hey crew I disagree with your takes so far, but let's see if you can change my mind. I look forward to hearing your Our opinion on everything everywhere all at once Well, not only good, but great, but hopefully after laying out everything that we think is valuable about it Maybe we'll convince him, but I just like the idea that they're willing to listen to the arguments at least that's cool Yeah What is this fuck mary unalive morgan lafay medea of colchis and medusa I know uh, what's who's the second one? I don't I don't even know. I don't know if i'm pronouncing it correctly Maculca Uh, we don't we don't need to entertain at rags. You know, we can we can just we can just move on I'm much more invested in this second question. Just do you wipe sitting down or standing up? I can't believe It's a a9 secret. I can't divulge Hey man brave people try out both I suppose but uh Definitely not um that it's not say. Yeah, you know, I don't think that is this this just to finish it We just went over a film. It's all about experiences I think there's plenty of ways to wipe one's bum And there are many correct ways and there are many horrifically incorrect ways Whatever you do well and what works for you Whatever keeps you clean back there, man. Just go you go for it Know what no one's watching you in there at least they shouldn't be maybe that's your thing I don't know but no, that's you time. That's you time. Don't bring other people into this.  Hello everyone else. Oh, thank you very much. Um Well, hopefully you will get a very substantial answer a chunk. I know you guys you will get a chunky answer That's right. There's a lot to talk about this film is layers of good Uh, I meant to say this several streams ago, but I never got the chance the rate of speed at which hassan reads comments Reminds me of children who read as fast as possible to impress adults Oh, yeah, because he's like He doesn't really read them like a census would be like like for instance someone says, uh Rage what should we fluffy fluffy this amount of what like that's how he'll fucking read like a comment that comes up It's like awesome. I didn't catch any of that Yeah, it seems so unnecessary Just slow down like he's deliberately obscuring everything he's saying You want to when you read something out loud the idea is you're not just reading it for yourself.  I suppose. It's not a race It's not a race true Destiny on e-fab. This is the multiverse. I needed it is a bit of a strange crossover, isn't it? Yeah Um started listening to destiny while welding at work And you're pretty enjoyable to listen to as well as the people he debates as dumb as they are yonky splonky All right, well we're more than happy to help you weld. Yeah, I hope your welds are How would you describe a good? What is it? Why would you describe a good weld? I hope your welds are secure Yeah And yeah, if it doesn't fall apart at the end, I suppose. Yes May your welds forever be secure and tidy, you know if it does fall apart by the end. That's okay. That's okay That was always a possibility. It's all right and you can build it back up um Your destiny some center right love for me you cool Oh, I'm sure he'd appreciate that I'm sure he would Um, if you could have a game of any franchise you like, what would you like to see? I for one would like a souls-like lord of the rings game. I think it could work well Oh, yeah, I think so. It could yeah, I think that could work really well I want my Daredevil game where you're uh, you go out at night as Daredevil and beat people up And then in the day you do court cases based on the evidence and stuff that you collect You're in the night and information that you can acquire. I want that. Yeah Yeah What about you mauler? So I guess I'm going to aim for like IPs that don't really have any video games of them But have lots of potential to and then Some kind of like game format that I think would suit it. I guess that's what I'm aiming for like Probably a pretty intense and very well executed uh, rpg that relates to um Like something Lovecraftian I've talked about before but it's the game I really want to exist and it comes close every once in a while But then they always fumble it's not very well detailed and it's made for a niche audience So it can't have much support I'm hoping one day we get The kind of thing I would really like and just really well executed Representations of the kinds of things you may experience but in the format of a game And and then you know replayability being able to go through and succeed with different builds and stuff That would be something fun.  Yeah survivor Which um, yeah, you know Die Yes What about you john? Oh geez, uh Just a good halo game, please A good halo game Um, I don't know like what it is. I I Seek most out of video games I guess I like third person adventures and shooters like those are the genres I prefer the most I'm a big fan of sonic like old school sonic before it went 3d Even though I kind of have a saw spot for the sonic adventure games even other glitch buckets but uh Yeah I I really don't know. I'd have to think more about that I myself um I think instead of going around of a game that doesn't quite exist one of the things that comes to my mind is a because it's been tried in the past to Not gen not really good degrees, but I think it would be really nice to get a A more slower paced and survival focused fallout game But like really not like like oh you have to drink water every two hours that you would no no like a Like a nice kind of an atmospheric slower pace Survival focused fallout game I really like that world. I love the aesthetics I am a big fan of what you could do with that as a backdrop for a game But really managing You know health and hydration radiation resource management Not having super bullets, you know bullet spongy enemies not having those but Working within the small amounts of ammo that maybe you have and I think that would be really neat and if it had a good cooperative element where you could play with A friend or two. I think that would be really neat. Um, I've always kind of enjoyed those Adventurey sorts of games where you can play with a friend or be alone and just kind of just you know lose yourself in a world But I think that would be neat Um, all right.  You should just wash your hands in general every once in a while I agree with you your peripherals clean wash your hands gamer So you don't want to get gamer gunk all over your mouse and keyboard not that gamer gunk Gamer gunk trademark. Yeah Uh bonus quote. I'm very not toxic It's true. It's true. He's he's he's one of the best wings. It's a great guy I'm very not toxic also Ban anyone who asks if I washed my hands. I am not toxic I Of course could be snap righted by wakes, you know, personally or seconds I couldn't tell you Personally, I don't do sub because if there are words on the screen, it causes me physical pain not to read it Also high rags watch black lagoon Um, hello Probably won't honestly, but you know, if I ever did that's an anime right black lagoon I don't know actually. I guess I could be either. Let me let me take a look here black lagoon It is an anime from A year that is Some people would say Is about 2006 I've heard of it, but I just I just I just don't really have an interest Um, but I'll keep it in mind if I ever get in the anime mood As for the whole I don't do subs because if they're on screen it causes me pain not to read them I guess everyone's different on this with their experience with subs. I just like yeah, I like them I like subtitles. They um, I've always found I can Like I take a bite out of the film. It's a more thorough bite when I have subtitles on I don't know else to put it I like having subtitles on as a way of studying the dialogue like, uh, especially on like, um When I've watched the movie once and then I'm watch I'm rewatching it. I like to turn subs on and just like analyze word for word what's being said Well, um, yeah, I find it's helpful So this one says watch normal meme compilations not meme faps. I'm not sure Exactly what they're saying, but um, it's kind of just sparked something in my brain. I'm like what if Oh, this would be much harder. Actually, I think I'm trying to think of how it would work, but the other way I usually do it where I cycle up like 100 images in a row and they're actually in tabs when I do it Um, it's like maybe I should make a video out of them instead But then I was like, wait, would that actually take longer? Because I'd have to save all the images then drag them all into the Timeline make the video upload it and then have it ready to be used when At that point I'm almost like doing more work. I think than having it just in tabs But um, anyway, the more relevant is that there are meme faps on the way. We're going to be getting One done. I think on Wednesday Lots of different things happening. We'll talk more about that for the end of the stream Um I have gotten ads for this before Um, yeah, I think destiny mentioned that a 24s advertising. It's not very good. I I know that I heard about this Through advertising and then I heard about it way more a bit later through word of mouth Like what? So like it wasn't invisible to me I think this movie is their highest grossing film. It is Yeah, and it's the one that I think I've heard of in the most normal Sense like I I think I just saw like a movie poster for it While I was at the cinema going to a different film I saw a poster for it or like an ad for it in front of another movie But it was the like the the first one that I think I've seen that was a typical advertisement I forgot to ask destiny though What he thought about the green night because I kind of hate that Yeah, so I'm curious because I love the lighthouse And I really really like this movie But I hated the green night so hmm I've always heard about the a 24 movies So I wouldn't say personally that they're marketing campaign for strategy. Whatever is a failure Like I learned about hereditary and mid-summer and uncut gems and all that I just I can't remember exactly how but I just found out about them and Maybe it's not in like a mainstream way where I saw it in like before some You know In the theater before some big marvel movie was screened on the on the big screen, but like You know, I would just find it on youtube somehow. I don't know I don't think they're miss marketed or anything. I don't think their marketing campaign is bad necessarily, but I guess it may be lacking in some regards I don't know um I hear us do you said you hated the green night. I thought you always felt kind of Eh on it like that was your feelings Me yeah I I like like I seriously think the only parts that I When I I I wouldn't have said that while I was watching it because I would be waiting for the Like waiting for things to happen and be you know thing Maybe I totally misread everything in that movie, but I I legit don't think I did But yeah apart from Like I wouldn't watch it again. I just I don't think I would either But I don't know that I feel that strongly about the film If you know what I mean like I'm kind of just like it was yeah, maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic But I I really just like it I think for wasting a lot of potential and what could have been a really cool story And I really like Arthurian stuff and fantasy stuff. I I so it just really I really just do not at all like uh, really don't like it. That's for sure. Fair enough Uh yuyu ha kusho is wildly known for having a better dub than sub kawai b bop is in a similar boat Dubs can be good if not better when made with love Yeah, I'm sure us case That's the thing I would my general advice is opt for whichever one Is the superior gives you the superior audio I guess right like that's just yeah, that's what you want You want good delivery Yeah, it's easy to imagine like the the dubs Being relatively fucked because it's like it's done in a booth Where none of the other actors are present probably Like they're just alone in a booth. It's not the same environment So the acoustics are different and there's also the proximity to the microphone Like if they're too close or too far away from the microphone, they're speaking into that can really Throw off the sound Like where it doesn't sound like the voices are coming out of that environment that you're seeing on the film, you know what I mean So, uh, I've always opt for like the in-camera Version like whatever was done by the actors in the scene. That's the that's the version. I want to listen to Yes, anyway, um, especially if I have no way of like Being told what the superior version quote-unquote is by anybody or a community around it If it's just a shot in the dark, I'll go with the whatever the original track is Yes Um, we all know that kimber is proof that dubs is superior.  I'm soy pogging right now.  Yeah, it does sound kind of gross Soy pogging. Yeah, that's like like a vegan getting pegged by I know Bald lady, I don't know like something really out of uh, soy pogging and Hey, y'all, I just graduated high school and want to give you some of my money. Oh, that's very nice. Oh, thanks Congratulations on graduating high school. Yeah Uh, the random language switchup you're referring to is called code switching Is it Oh, there you go In linguistics code switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages or language varieties in the context of a single conversation. Okay I mean switching languages or code switching it seems like You may as well just say switching languages because it's like it's much more intuitive for anybody who doesn't know what code switching is And it's about the same, you know, real estate in words We had to uh, I know before EFAP started Uh And it was, you know, moller wolf and I Uh, we had to really train moll because moller would do this all the time He would code switch between english and welsh. Yeah, and it was really distracting and we missed out on like half of the stuff He's trying to say so he really had to train him. We took him to you know Oratory boot camp and we had to really You know really train him up and so now he sounds how he does today But boy man back some of those weird slip in here and there you gotta shoot him down whenever you spot him Yeah, it was uh, it was something else, but The days are behind him. He's really hopefully hopefully Hopefully we he might slip back into it Uh look up mollin vera co frankie edga on google images man got turned into mo from simpson Well, you just copy paste it. So I can type in all that out Uh, okay Unless you can't in which case read all right apparently is ufc guys.  Oh my god Yeah, there's no need to put that on screen. That's unfortunate Oh, damn. Yeah, look at that he got uh Yeah, that because it's yeah, it's like a kick from below that came up and it Yeah, it uh, it's it's like your mouth There's no there's not much of a chin left if you know what I mean your mouth is like the bottom of your face Yeah, I think his face just went up really quick So his skin is catching up with the you know the skeleton and it just look because you could tell by the ears Right, you could tell by the ear that it's like the head is moving upwards. Yeah Uh, and maybe he just has loose skin after years and years of being punched in the face So he yeah, hopefully I can't tell from these images, but hopefully there's no permanent damage. Hopefully he's all right Yeah, I I I hope he's fine and he's okay because You know that's ouch. That's quite a blow that that freeze frame is That's uh, um, also glad you're reviewing this masterpiece. Oh, well, we were happy to do so Um Do do Where are we just watch stranger things season four? Wait Is it all out? No, there's part of it's out from what I was doing the two-parter thing that's so many other shows are doing now Uh enjoyed it, but there were a lot of problems overall better than season three at least it's a solid four Fair enough Everything everywhere all at once is a solid four. No strange things out of 10 Yeah, that's what they're saying four out of four four out of four four out of four I want to know what they constitute a 10 out of 10 If they So wait is stranger things because I I've never seen the show is a four out of 10. Is that High ball in it for that or I was gonna say we don't discuss all of our takes with john So maybe maybe we have all kinds of disagreements to be had but season one I think is pretty good season two. I thought was awful season three was a complete disaster So season four being a four out of 10 is if anything a compliment to how it's been going as far as I'm concerned But I should clarify. I thought they were saying everything everywhere all at once was a four out of 10 Oh, I'm sorry. So stranger things. Yeah, I uh, I'm not that blown away But I think it's I feel like I get the feeling they're writing it as they Like they're making it up as they go along. Oh, yeah, definitely I don't really have faith in them concluding it in a satisfying way, but I'm curious enough to check it out Okay, time to check eFap quite late, but I'm sure I didn't miss anything important. Wait, what destiny what how?  So I asked him to chat about it.  I've ever had the displeasure of seeing an affront to the viewer's Intelligence and perverse imagery only to convey men. Am I right? I Haven't I haven't seen it And I have no idea what things about Uh, it's called men Men never heard of it Yeah It's It's the new alex garland movie.  He was the son of bilbo baggins uncle bingo baggins and chica chub He lived a long life reaching the age of 96 But not quite long enough to attend his cousin's farewell party, which was held two years after his death He was survived by a daughter poppy Uh five let's see in oh in the hobbit 2003 video Game five portraits are clustered on a wall in bag end One of them is falco and one of bilbo's lines when looking at the portraits is Ah cousin falco All right.  Maybe it's about the word surrounding it. I don't know Men I'll never understand youtube's uh limits men of a Yeah, I was afraid destiny would ruin this conversation and use it to state how smart he is top 1 percent reader is Relevant to subtitles distracting from scene how um, I Do I think that I think he's totally fair to have that perspective? I totally understand where he's coming from I don't have a problem with it, but I it's not unreasonable that someone feels that way at all Yeah, because the first assumption that's why they had the whole conversation because the the first assumption that everyone would make is like Damn, how long does it take you to read and he's arguing I think any time spent not staring at the screen is time spent missing things on the screen No matter how quick you are But like seriously, I I don't know how else to explain it. It's not something everybody has obviously that's fine, but I would say um Sometimes I'm watching a foreign language movie and I forget that I'm watching a foreign language movie Because I'm so immersed in reading the subtitles so quickly while also taking in everything if you know what I mean Uh, I really enjoyed hearing his input like I I don't usually hear media takes from him So it was interesting to hear that I can't wait to hear his media takes I want to know which one is his favorite I can read incredibly quick. A lot of people couldn't absorb those sentences like single sentences pretty fast I don't think he's got a trouble on that. He's just saying that it draws you away from other stuff He could be looking at more thoroughly, I guess Hmm, and you know, I wouldn't deny the fact that you could miss read a sentence and read it again And then your eyes are taken away for a little bit longer and it's like, oh, no Oh Destiny's 100 right about subs. They are atrocious. All right, you're taking it too far atrocious No Evil as an alternative to dubs. I wouldn't describe them as atrocious. I mean, I think it's the better option Dude, if you have a bad dub like Sub's a hero, you know Yeah There can be some good dubs. I guess it's important to say but Usually no no Um, as someone who's forced to either watch movies dubbed or subbed in cinema. I despise subtitles they Not only always distract you But when you're watching a darker movie like the batman white bright subs can outright be painful Oh, well, yeah, that I don't even disagree with that.  Oh, it was something black widow. It was black widow Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah It's only a multi-gigillion dollar marvel film. That's fine.  Like unironically you couldn't read what was some of the sentences you couldn't make them out as easily Yeah, um, and then there's the classic example in suicide squad would they have black text on a black background Temporarily, I think it runs pasta. It's just funny And uh, that that's the kind of thing where especially when we're talking about screen space and theaters where um, because I have monitors that you know my my monitors are 27 inches And I don't think I'll ever go bigger than that just because it's too much physical space for my eyes to keep track of Without having to start moving around to the point where I just can't I just don't want to do it anymore So I just I just don't think I'll ever get a monitor bigger than 27 inches Uh, I just don't want more. Yeah, I don't want more space In my country, we also have cheap dubbing in which one person reads all the lines and you can hear original sound in the background Oh joy. That's even a thing ugh Like one person voicing every character that sounds like fun I suppose is that better than having nothing else? I don't even know I guess I guess maybe for people who can't read And if I heard correctly, they're also doing the Foley like all the sound effects Oh, I think they were saying you have the original soundtrack for like the literal soundtrack is in the the track for all sounds in the background And then you have them on top of it speaking Oh, right. Oh sounds like painfulness Oh You'd have to balance. Yeah, I Uh in discussion subtitles or dubbing, there is a third way Lector in poland most movies have original voices with lector translating so you can enjoy acting and understanding everything I I sounds like the last thing. What's lector translating though? I don't know. Let's the lector Mmm So Yeah, I I don't know because Elector is just a speaker Uh, so I oh I thought maybe it referred to some kind of style or Well, I I'm thinking if if Like maybe it is maybe that's what the previous super chat was saying where someone essentially voices over the words But you can kind of still hear the actor in the background. I don't know It's definitely not how I would want to yeah, I was gonna say like I can see what you say, but like Damn, that sounds like a clash, doesn't it? You know Yeah, you get the worst of all worlds. Yeah, he's like I've got the words from the english So I understand what they're saying and then I get the emotion from them to get that impactful thing But it's like yeah, but at the same time like I don't know Uh, but maybe there's something more to that because I just tried to google and it didn't seem to come up with Anything in specific so I'm not sure In the netherlands, we subtitle everything can be funny klingons translates as sticky people But very annoying instead of a with 3d glasses Sticky people Oh fair enough, you know what the worst insult is and clion What's that? Your mother has a smooth forehead. Damn I'm gonna have to cut that out for the final Uh, does destiny have adhd? um I mean, I I think he might have said that it's a possibility, but I don't think that's why he has his position on subtitles Uh, you know, he gave his arguments Yeah, I totally understand where he's coming from. It's not and it's not unreasonable I get it. I'm not like that, but I get it I'm so proud of Detsony for coming out as part-time dyslexic literature is overrated burn the libraries I I reckon we should keep them. Let's keep the libraries though. Yeah, why not?    Winnie the pooh horror movie give it to me. I was gonna say that sounds like it could be funny into my veins Why not because that's in public domain in it so you can do it everyone. That's why that's why that's happening I'm surprised disney let that happen because my understanding was that disney would constantly recycle their properties They uh exceed the statute of limitations, right? I think it's too old So you can the idea would be that like any any of the films or stories that they made You know like in the last 20 30 40 however many years stretching back those are protected by copyright But like winnie the pooh the character is public domain There's nothing you can do about that Eventually mickey mouse will be public domain eventually. You don't have to know when when the pooh was created. Do you? Uh, I don't know. I can I'm just curious how old he is. I mean, I guess he's older than mickey mouse Then I don't know I realize that the way it's supposed to go is that after 70 or so years something enters the public domain But like I understood that disney had a way of circumventing that Where they would not forever keep their properties and it won't be forever Even mickey mouse will eventually become public domain. They pushed it back a lot Winnie the pooh was created in 1924 as ed would bear and then he was winnie the pooh in 1926 Wow And it would be because of uh The the author who made it right it wouldn't be because of disney I think uh, because like it's yeah, it says disney licensed film rights from the estate of uh, a a mill um in like 1961 Using the unhyphenated name winnie the pooh because his is actually hyphenated Um, so yeah, I don't know all of that. I just know what something to do with um public domain Oh Well, I'm glad they go into public domain eventually that's cool Yeah, like I said, what if this horror movie hit winnie the pooh thing is like amazing I know it won't be but still what if it is It sounds pretty funny it does People in chat are pointing out it depends on what's country or in how long it is america's got different ones than australia than the uk It varies. It's usually some amount of time after the the creators died Um, but sometimes it can just be a fixed number of years regardless of uh when the created dies Yeah, well, I thought it was a fixed amount of 70 something years like about like the duration of somebody's lifetime like on average Uh, I like subs but I feel like you can miss facial expressions or other small details It's a little bit different from being able to just watch their face Like sure, um, I just I would then appeal to the format that you miss stuff all the time when you're watching a movie And uh the time spent reading the subtitle for me, it's like fractions of a second sometimes. I don't know Um, I sorry this is on the because I found it on wikipedia. Um, the us copyright of winnie the pooh ended in 2021 It was 95 years after the publication of the first story Uh, it's public domain in america disney no longer hold exclusive rights in the united states Um, and the uk copyright will expire at the end of 20s 26 70 years after mills death Okay, so it's expired in america, but it's not expired yet in in the uh, the uk I love that. This is just like the first thing you do with a public domain property. This is like Horror winnie the pooh, dude. Eldridge winnie the pooh does sound kind of funny. I don't know. I would have expected Like the day of winnie the pooh in fortnight You know that youtuber meat canyon that just takes beloved childhood things and turns it into nightmare fuel Uh, whomever brought up lector voiceover thing and thinks that's a valid alternative to subs or dubs.  Oh my Oh, that was in a super chat as well. All right. Well, I don't know anything about this lector thing But if it is as simple as just you record your voice over the The thing which I I'm starting to trick him like memories. I'm pretty sure I've seen movies like that like really old ones That was an approach That's not what I like. All right Not what I like Today's animal of the day is the spitting cobra Oh, wow spitting cobra. Look at how he spits. Yeah, thanks boy. Look at these spitty boys. Look at that.  Yeah, I assume it's a bit because it looks like it's coming out of his uh I guess that it's just too huge. Yeah Oh I'm glad I don't live in a place where snakes can squirt venom under me Yes, I agree. I was You know is but I was about thinking just the other day, you know what you know what snakes need ranged weapons Um All right, please read the pokedex entries for sandigast and palo sand Sandigast and palo sand Sandigast let's go to are there any non-cursed pokemon descriptions at this point like It's all horrible probably just like metapod good sorter. Yeah Palo sand let me line these puppies up so I can Read them both. I know the site to go to now that has all of the things so sandy gassed Uh Born from a sand mound playfully built by a child This pokemon embodies the grudges of the departed.  It takes control of anyone who puts a hand in its mouth And so it adds to the accumulation of its sand mound body What wow that's legitimately fun. So first off. Here's a picture Is it gonna be all wholesome and happy? Oh Okay Let's see I bet that's organic Yeah, sandigast mainly inhabits beaches it takes control of anyone who puts their hand into its mouth forcing them to make its body bigger So Why is this in pokemon and not something lovecraftian?  That's but if you interpret that as a mouth in those bits of eyes. He's just like In pain or something. It doesn't seem like he's having a good existence. Let's put it that way Oh my goodness Buried beneath the castle are masses of dried up bones from those whose vitality it has drained They really grains It's from ultrason each of its grains of sand has its own will Palo sand eats small pokemon and siphons away their vital essence while they're still alive That's nice. Oh my god. It these other ones palo sand is known as the beach nightmare It pulls its prey down into the sand by controlling the sand itself and then it sucks out their souls Again that's nice Man I have a friend who's so up to date on all the pokemon like however many like 800 there are now like i'm still stuck in the 90s I only know the 151 Yeah, I know like original. That's it. Yeah Um Lord long bong of mueslington abbey. Have you ever given any more thought to a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong? When there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages. Yes. Hello wagsies screeches for the good boy Thank you. Yeah, I think so. We're gonna give that a shot at some point sometime soon. Probably maybe who knows Make a part of it all could be great Imagine your kid sticks its hand just half hazardly or half hazardly. Sorry half hazardly into a Uh a sandy gas or a palo sand, right?   I just don't put it in my back pocket ever. Yeah You can't win this This is a pear character stretching his arm forward raising his thumb up. Thank you very much Hi, enjoying all your critiques. Does if I've reviewed documentaries lauren southern american mirage documentaries pretty good and informative Give it an eyeball gaze if you can I doubt we're gonna Don't really don't have I just don't have any interest. Well, uh, look we'll do kanobi. That's like a documentary. We'll watch kanobi Yeah, we'll go to tattooing.  Okay, it's about time The time is now Watch rush hour funny watch it also high raiden I guess is that rags rate is close enough. I guess I don't know Raiden Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know because that's yeah, raiden's like a video game character He's from mortal combat, right? Right, yeah, yeah that one Uh, yeah and rush hours. I remember liking rush hour a whole bunch Yeah, I like it Oh, I should have thought of this sooner. Hasan is the type of guy who would exchange chocolate coins for a single chocolate coin of greater value Well, that could work. What if you had three thin chocolate coins and you exchanged it for one big thick one? Maybe yeah, you had a chocolate dime Then you would want to exchange it for a chocolate penny Like a whole bunch of chocolate quarters versus the chocolate dollar It's like well, I guess I need to see it to know which one's more valuable, right? Yeah, because the dollar could be really like thin. Hmm Or thick it depends Um, destiny. Why is your chat so insanely retarded? Oh, no Hey, look, they're they're from twitch or at least they they were from twitch. You gotta give them space. All right You need time Did they say the r word uncensored? Probably probably my god Um, I haven't seen this movie yet. Definitely need to chow Yeah, I mean, I guess I should have mentioned this at the beginning, but I probably would recommend you go watch the movie before I'll break down Um Because it's yeah, I would something to experience, you know Hey, Vry, I remember you talking about all star superman. What are your thoughts and do you recommend it? I haven't read it yet, but I will All right All star superman Like one of the often recommended Stories like of superman Oh, like an extended like comic book thing extended. Yeah, like a paperback.  Oh, that's cool Good for them I love when movies do in camera effects like they manipulate the the shutter speed And the frame rate and stuff in creative ways and they actually are thoughtful about the lenses that they use Yeah, depending on what shot they're trying to film Like the the wrong way of getting carried away with that is like the fucking What's his name zack snider with justice league? He used those retarded, uh lenses on army of the dead for you How dare you He's obviously just mothered vaseline on the lens and started filming Yeah chapstick and just rubbed around the edges Gus Fringy crossover episode when I don't know if that's ever happening Whether or not we'll get young collo Esposito on to the stream. I mean, I'll email him Uh, hey, buddy. It'll happen. It's only matter Also, hi destiny also. Hi rags Hello I'm catching up on the stream but seeing as all you will like the movie I once again highly recommend doom patrol similar wackiness similar hard-hitting themes similar character based storytelling similar marketing Well, fair enough. I usually hear good things about doom patrol I tend to hear good things You know what else is everything everywhere all at once grandma after a night with rags. Oh Oh my goodness. That's not true at all. No, that's a lie Uh Fringy we require more of your opinions on ken.  Me neither. Uh, also, I'll be right back. He's Lou. Mm-hmm. Hey, but they said they love your streams All right, thanks. Yeah, don't worry. You get your kid. I'll be covered. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't actually seen him yet So you guys gotta wait, right? All right Adored this movie can't make it for the stream, but I'm really glad you're giving it recognition much love everyone Yeah, well, thank you and uh, I I I think the movie's awesome I'm glad to give it some appreciation Uh, everyone from er to joseph anison to vorsch say that outer wild is a masterpiece The writing and impact are on par with soma and the other parts of the game are even better It's easily among the best games ever not playing it. It's the sound levels of intelligence. Oh Okay, that's the way to put it The dlc is also an unofficial halo crossover play at schlaums I will I will play it. I will do it at some point. We'll do it Uh, would you say that this movie is contrivance proof given that every contrivance is just a statistical probability Um I wouldn't justify All of it that way like so the example of Someone being like, oh how convenient that there's a universe where she knows kung fu and she can draw from it It'd be like, well, no, there's gonna be a universe where she knows kung fu that she can draw from however Something like him grabbing the sign and putting it under his back so he doesn't get his back broken I'd be like, yeah, that was that was pretty convenient because if she'd lifted him up in any other part of the room Uh, he might not be able to reach for something that could have rescued his back from that. That's just a standard good old fashion convenience um But yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't put those both in the same category if that makes sense um Video game controller jumps up and down excitedly Oh, it's cute little little sentient controller fun um The channel I finished a video game did a five hour breakdown of every Lord of the Rings video game ever made He'd make a good e-fab guest for any video game chats Yeah, fair enough That'd be interesting to look at I wonder if it includes all the other ones we Well, I've end up playing on the good old super chat catch up to know Um Fringy you may want to look into the popularity of certain letters and names For example k used to be popular for a while, but in recent ye