Welcome to Inside Leather History, a fireside chat. I'm Doug O'Keefe, the host and producer of the chats. This evening we're doing another Zoom interview and this time it's with Joe Easton in California. And we're going to hear a lot about his life and his history in the community. Welcome to Inside Leather History, Joe. Welcome from Palm Springs, Ferriette. I wish I were there. It's 106 now. All right, let's start right at the very beginning. Tell us a little bit about your early life because you told me that your family moved around a lot. Yeah, my parents moved about 35 times before I was 15. Oh my gosh. Dad had just gotten out of the military. He had a series of short time jobs. We moved through at least eight different states and 14 different cities in that time. You mentioned when we were preparing for this that there was a lot of difficulty within the family when you were young. Dad had some anger issues. He drank a lot and he was also, shall we say, a bit of an attic for methamphetamines. During World War II, the soldiers, sailors and Air Force people were given methamphetamines to make them more aggressive, keep them up longer. And the people who handed this out were the sergeants or the platoon leaders or the lieutenants, the medical staff, all of them were handing out methamphetamines to make their soldiers and sailors more aggressive. Now that led to other issues. I recall when we were preparing for this, you mentioned there was a lot of abuse going on in the family. What can you tell us about that? And my parents both drank a lot. My parents both used methamphetamines. They both did? Yes. Wow. You know, trench mouth and how bad that is, both of my parents lost all of their teeth in their early twenties. They were both extremely thin for most of their life. That was six foot one. And when he passed, he was 120 pounds. Oh my gosh. My mother was under 90 pounds and she was five seven. But at that time, probably the addictive qualities of that were not known. No. They were able to hide it quite well. But did there come a time when the drug was not available to them anymore? Yeah, but that wasn't until, I would say until about the mid seventies. How did they cope then? Badly. Okay. Lots of anger issues, lots of emotional up, down, twirling around that sort of stuff. So you said you lived with your grandparents for a while and then that was a very sort of stable and a better time for you. Tell us a bit about that. My parents had moved out of town while I was in the hospital for burns. And my grandparents picked me up, paid the hospital bill and took me in for several months until my parents moved back into town. Why were you burned? I was trying to see my baby brother who had just come home from the hospital. He was in a crib and underneath they had a single burner stove type thing with water in a big pot. And I got up on the crib to look and see my baby brother and my dad kicked me in the backside and the crib rolled and I fell off the crib, the side of the crib and into the water. Oh, it's terrible. Well, it was terrible but also later on when I got into law enforcement and as a paramedic it allowed me to see more easily when I was seeing families who were dealing with extreme drug use but hiding it well or extreme alcoholism and hiding it well. And I was able to see the signs and symptoms of children when they're dealing with having to lie to everyone about how bad things are at home. How do you feel that those experiences influenced you on a general scale as your life went on? It made me more aware of what was happening and sometimes more aware of why people were acting certain ways. I quickly learned that when mom and dad were stoned or drunk they acted a different way than when they were sober. That was a simple thing. And also when they were under the effects that their emotions would be up and down and all around. They'd go from extremely sad to mad to effervescent hyperactivity to catatonic. You explored bondage at an early age. Tell us a bit about that. All the cowboys and the Western serials the cowboys were always getting tied up. The Indians were getting tied up. Same with Tarzan and Flash Gordon who were all movie serialists and also on the television at that time. And as kids that's what we did. I went into Cub Scout, what we learned to do, tie knots. What does that lead to? I was quite proficient. How did you engage in this as a youngster? Somewhere around the age of nine, right around nine, 10. I discovered that I was having wet dreams and that I could make it feel just as good as the wet dream by moving things. And what excited me the most? Getting tied up in my dad's leather jacket and his engineer boots and his gloves. So people were tying you up, you were not doing it? No, I was doing it by myself. Oh, I see. How were you managing to do it yourself? That's not too hard. I even got to the point where more than a couple of times I tied my feet together and used the hoist in the garage that we used when we went hunting for deer and stuff to hoist myself up to the rafters upside down with just the boots and jacket and gloves on. How did you get down? Let myself down the same way I went up, only reverse. And nobody caught you doing this? No. I mean, it sounds like the makings of a modern dungeon scene. So I really got my leather fetish going when I was about eight. My parents were driving home from grandma's house in Antioch down to Hayward and dad was driving drunk and he got stopped by two CHP bike cops. Well, they were talking to him through the window and then they said, up the car, we're going to have to arrest you for driving drunk because he obviously was. He gets out of the car, takes a swing at the cops, the cops take him down, handcuff him, he tries to kick them so they hot-pot title. They went to the passenger side. My mother was sound asleep in the passenger side because she was drunk. She couldn't drive. They didn't want to put us into child protective services on Christmas Eve. So one of the cops said, do you know where you live? And I said, I did. I knew how to get there. I just didn't know the names of the streets. So he had me direct him while he drove us home with my mother in the backseat and my dad in the rear of the station wagon and my brother and sister with my mother to our house. They put my brother and sister to bed and tucked them in. They walked my mother up the stairs and she went into her room and closed the door. And I got to hug both of those beautiful cops with leather jackets, tall boots and gauntlet gloves on and give them a big hug. So that's how I got an early start. How did it progress from there? Well, that progressed into the bondage leather stuff that I was doing later on. And I was collecting pictures of motor cops, leather bikers, cowboys, Indians, all sorts of. So I got rubber leather uniforms, bondage, cowboys, Indians and scuba gear all at a very early age. You mentioned that you are Mensa level intelligent. So for the benefit of an audience that may be seeing this video, would you please explain Mensa and where you fit in that? Mensa is an organization that back then, the minimum requirement was that you had an IQ of at least 135, which is well above in the high 1%. And a lot of my classmates were well above that. I'm the only one of the graduating class who does not have a PhD. I'm the only one of the class so far that is not a published author. If that gives you any kind of a clue. Well, we can look at that a lot of different ways. Why is that the case? I came from a much rougher background than most. By the time I got to the seminary at the age of 15, I'd already seen five homicides occur. We lived in a very rough part of town. And the others were raised in almost exclusively in middle class, upper middle class and upper class white families. And it wasn't until after I got there and a number of us started pushing that we got more people of color into the seminary. Because it was almost all white. And yet a significant portion of our pastoral duties were going to be with people of color. And why are we learning dead languages when we needed to learn Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and later on Vietnamese and Hmong for that area. Okay, let's take a step back. Why were you going into the seminary at such a young age? Actually, for the Catholic Church at that time, they would get people that get young men, young boys into the seminary freshman year of high school. It was easier for them to give up sex before they had it than afterwards. It was a basic idea. Okay, I think I'm confused. So your time in the seminary was what would be considered high school time for you? Yeah, okay. High school and college. Okay, okay. So the Mensa part of that, Mensa is an intellectual organization basically that enables people to excel and measure their intelligence levels. Tell us how that all affected you at that time. From that school, we were expected to be among the best of the students no matter where we went, no matter what we did. And that remained fairly true throughout for most of them. We had an unusually high number of people who became, got into the priesthood and became priests. In a small school with less than 350 students, we had one that became a cardinal and seven that became bishops and over 80, oh, it was 95 of them became priests. We had over 40 doctors and over 70 lawyers in that small group of people. So a lot of people were quite well educated even though they didn't continue studying for the priesthood. Okay, why did you choose to go that particular route? I thought it was the best way to help people. I had been brought up by my grandparents with a strong belief in the Catholic church. And I had followed through with that in my daily life as a kid. We went to church every Sunday. We went to confession every other week. Mom had us saying the rosary at least once a week and other things like that. So we were part of the church. We were active in the community. We went to catechism lessons twice a week. And it was part of what we were at that time. Is there not an incongruity there with what was going on in your home life among your parents and then this religious devotion? There were more than a few incongruities. I used to put out that I felt like we had a facade that we were the public and then there was a real life behind it that was real nitty gritty and deep into a lot of stuff that wasn't anywhere near the facade. So what was the motivation to keep up the facade of religious and indoctrinated practices? For me, it felt real. And it felt more real than what my parents were doing. I felt that being an alcoholic or drugs was giving your life over to things that controlled you. I didn't want to do that. I saw faith in the church as doing more for the real person than alcohol or drugs could. And I saw it as a real way to help some people. Do you feel it helped you? A lot. How so? The abuse had gotten so bad at home that before I went into the seminary, my father threw a butcher knife at me and tried to stab through it at my back. And fortunately I turned and it only cut a small slice on my chest.  And that was, it was close enough that it tore my pants on both sides of my, both legs, but didn't hit me. I thought it was time to leave. How did you even know that this was available in order to pursue it? Even in junior high school, I was still going to Catechism to learn more about the church. Your classes were taught by the seminarians from that seminary that I eventually went to and they were the influence for that. Joe, you lived with your grandparents for a while when you were young. That was a very, as you mentioned when we prepared for this, that was a wonderful time in your life. They were very wonderful to you. Tell us about that time. What did they do for you? My grandparents picked me up from the hospital after I'd been in the hospital for burns. My parents had moved away and they picked me up, took me in and raised me for a while. Grandma and Grandpa's house was sort of like a daycare center for my cousins and I. Grandma would take the other kids to the park, but I couldn't go because I couldn't get dirty and I couldn't get wet when it was summertime. So I would go with Grandpa to the workshop and he taught me how to do the math, make the designs, cut, sew, cut the wood, stain it and make furniture. Grandma would do the same sort of thing when Grandpa was taking the kids to the park and she would show me how to cook, how to sew, keep a house.  Between the two of them, I learned more in just the six months with them than I did in the 15 years at home. Then they were also quite religious. When we've got dropped off at Grandma and Grandpa's house later on, quite frequently, Grandma would take us to mass with her during the week and on the weekends while our parents were working. So, and we had Bible readings, we had catechism classes that Grandma and Grandpa taught. So we weren't taught and we were shown how to be generous, how to be loving, how to be caring. And when I lived with my other set of grandparents later on in life, when I was between second and third grade, they also did similar things. And I was living with not only my grandparents but my great-grandmother. So it was a learning experience. They did more for teaching me how to read, write, do math and that sort of stuff than my teachers at school did. So is that also from where your religious convictions began to evolve? They involved in spite of my parents and with the assistance of my grandparents on both sides and great-grandparents. Do you feel that that's what taught you more of a calling in your life? Definitely. It taught me to be kinder and more gentle when I lived in areas that were extremely rough and shoddy. Other kids didn't have the experiences of being held up at gunpoint or knife point before going even getting to junior high school, let alone having seen as many homicides as I have seen before I was even 15. Tell us a little bit about that. The drive-in restaurant that my parents had in Fresno, California, Fresno was somewhat of a segregated town. And on one side of the street, it was okay if you were Hispanic and on the other side, it was okay if you were black but don't cross the street. We didn't fit in either way, but we had lots of people coming to our drive-in to get food and then go back to their own side of the street. There was a lot of violence there. We were held up a number of times, both at knife gunpoint. Saw my first homicide when a lady stabbed a man to death in one of the tables in the area.  But they had robbed just a few moments before. She got in her car and just ran right over. As you were going through the seminary, what were your plans? Did you intend to go become a priest yourself or what are you thinking? I wanted to become a priest and I wanted to be assigned to one of the poorer areas. We had large populations of Asians, Africans, Hispanics and Native Americans.  I picked up American Indian sign language and sign language at that time. But you served in the Navy. Tell us about that. What did you do in the Navy? I left the seminary at the end of my junior year of college, went to one year at Fresno State, was drafted to go into the Army. They wanted me to report two weeks before the end of the semester. And I would have lost the whole semester if I wasn't able to take the test. So I enlisted in the Navy so I could finish the two weeks of college. I was a hospital corpsman. I was assigned to Lamor Naval Air Station and then into Taipei, Taiwan in a place called Tianmu in Taiwan. Tell us a little bit about your time in, as a medic in the Army. I understand you had a very, a really interesting experience happen there. One of the funny ones. It was the night of the Navy ball and a Marine came in and said he had fallen in the shower on a piece of glass and he was hurt. And he wouldn't say anything beyond that. So I took him into the examining room and started the examination. And he said, well, I fell on a shot glass and it went inside. So we did some preliminary tests. I did a finger wave, couldn't find it. We did an X-ray. Fortunately it was lead glass so we could find it on the X-ray. The emergency room doctor said, let's call in the surgeon because he's the one that's going to handle it. Surgeon comes in, he's all dressed for the Navy ball. Big hat, sword, white gloves, the whole nine yards. He looks at the X-ray, he looks at the Marine. He goes, we ain't doing surgery tonight. My wife's already home from the horn out there. So we gave the guy a muscle relax and put him in the proctoscope table.  And he says, now put one finger in and check to make sure there's no cuts or hemorrhoids. I put the finger in and all of a sudden I risked deep on the guy. He pushed back on me and came the first time. I reach up, grab the glass and as I pull it to his prostate, he comes again.  As I pull it out of his ass, he comes a third time. Doctor throws his hands up and says, you write it up. I don't want him kicked out of the military. And I'm leaving. My gosh.  A few months later, after I had come out, I went to a bath house and who do I see? Once again, that same Marine bent over, lots of lubricant right there, even though we saw each other frequently for the next six months. My gosh. How long were you in the Navy? I was there four years and three months. Okay.  Do you think it was- When I came out, I went up to San Francisco and my first night out was in full leather, on Folsom Street. When I got back to the base, I got into the barracks and a third of the lockers were all busted wide open and everything all over the place.  And one of the other corpsmen said, they found all the faggots and drug addicts and they're all gone. I said, how many? He said, we lost over a third of the entire staff. The only ones they didn't take were the officers who were gay or lesbian. So was it just a well kept? Secret? I had to close the closet door and wait until I got out. I was not gonna spend 10 years in Leavenworth for being who I was. But you mentioned just a moment ago that you went out in San Francisco at that time in full leather. How did you know about that? I already had leather and I'd had it since I'd left the seminary.  And when I finally found out where there were leathermen, thanks to the Life Magazine, that's where I went. I went up to San Francisco on Folsom Street. So tell me about this Life Magazine. What was going on there? It was an issue that was published, I think it was in 68 or so. And a friend showed me the issue and it was about one of the leather bars and how leathermen would gather there on their motorcycles in their leather gear and they'd get all sorts of terrible things. Back then I went into the bar in the afternoon. There wasn't much there on a Friday afternoon. And there was a very handsome bartender and there was a fair amount of activity going on further back in the bar.  But the bars were having to pay a huge protection fee to the police to keep quiet about it so that they didn't lose their licenses. So did you have any other knowledge coming your way about the leather scene or was it strictly this magazine? I had a friend in the Navy for a few weeks who was fresh back from Vietnam. He had gotten a congressional medal of honor but they were trying to force him out. The problem was his uncle was a representative in the house of representatives and on the armed forces committee. So they weren't going to kick him out and they weren't going to arrest him but I'll put it bluntly, he was a flaming queen. He had presidential citation from the president of Vietnam. He had saved a number of lives. He had numerous purple hearts. He had accommodations up the wazoo. He had more bars on his chest from awards earned than a lot of people who had been in for 20 and 30 years and it was only his first enlistment. I don't know why this happened. Wow. But he directed me where to go and what to find and he was the one who showed me the magazine. So did you just turn up in San Francisco and look for leather bars or did you have some direction? I was told where to go. Okay. And I found a dirty bookstore and back then they had mimeographed pages where the leather bars, where the gay bars are, drag queen bars, all the different kinds. And I tore the sheet off and took all of them and went to the leather bars where they were listed. Now, what year was this to give us some timeframe? 1970. So 1970. How was San Francisco in 1970? Not just the leather bar scene, but in general. South of market was a lot raunchier, dirtier. It was an industrial area. There weren't many homes there and what homes there were there had been rebuilt after the 1906 earthquake and they had been kind of quickly all wood burned fast. Lots of businesses, lots of auto repair shops, gas stations. There was a lot of manufacturing going on of clothing. Part of the south of market, well, kind of a little ways away. Levi Strauss still had its main factory for making jeans there. Oh, wow. So it wasn't exactly, Folgers was making coffee on Folsom Street.  But that was a very fascinating time. The hippies had had their time. They were on the decline. The drugs were on the rise then and the drug scene within the gay community was just unbelievably rampant. We were losing as many people to bad drugs as we were to AIDS just 15 years later. Wow, okay. When you say bad drugs, tell us a little bit about that. There was a lot of overdoses. Hepatitis A and B was rampant and there was still no major cure for it. You had to tough it out. There was no shots for either hepatitis A or B. Alcoholism was very rampant and lots of people were very, very drunk. I hate to tell you how many drunk drivers I had to pick up in the ambulance and a lot of them were on motorcycles. So yeah, I got a good feeling for that. And then later on, 1976, 77. 1977, Dr. Steven Boyd, the corner for the city of San Francisco, came to Southwood Market and was giving classes on how to do safe SNM, how to fist safely, how to do piss scenes safely so that you didn't get hepatitis, you didn't get all that stuff and how to be safe about what you were doing, checking the hands for pulses and bondage stains, checking the faces. One of the big things he warned us about was breath control. Even back then, that killed a lot of people and it still remains a very deadly practice when not done. Well, it's not a safe thing to do. What was the most fascinating thing you saw in San Francisco at that time? The leather bars were an oasis for those of us who were kinky and the variety of leather that they had at that time was amazing. You think the village people went to the extremes on what was happening in our community. Back then, the leather community included hippies. You'd have long-haired people coming in in fringe jackets or nothing on at all on the top or even in loincloths. You had cowboys coming in from all over the country and they wearing their Western chaps and their boots and their big hats and all of that. So there was, and there were a lot of people out of the old military from World War II. The aviators would come in with their cheerling flight suits. Sweating to death, even on cold nights. And then you had some of the divers coming in with rubber tops, the neoprene wetsuits. And leather was being experimented. There were trying all sorts of things at that time. Now it's sort of cubed off and not much variety. So how long did you live in San Francisco? I moved there in 74 and it was there until 98. I lived in the Bay Area until 2000. Then I moved way up north to Washington State and then later to Calgary. My gosh, okay.  Because that's a time when it would have been going gangbusters. South of Market, when I first arrived, only had seven leather bars. And over the years, it built up to a point where at one point there were 14 leather bars south of Market and two in the Castro. And another one up on the Hague. And that was in one town. And there was enough people there that they had dress codes in the middle of the week to get into the bars. You either had, if it was a leather night, you had to have on leather pants, leather chaps or something like that and a leather shirt or a leather jacket or vest to get into the bar. If you just had on a harness or something like that, you weren't getting in. Uniform nights, you had to have a uniform. Rubber nights, same type of thing. Cowboy night, same thing, but Western wear. Again, you were living there sort of in its heyday. Right. So you mentioned, when we prepared for this, that you knew a number, a very iconic people in the community. You mentioned Tom of Finland, Dirk Denner, let me go through the last with you. Sorry? Let me go through the last with you. Okay. You were doing a first ever Randy West had a publishing company and he had hired Tom of Finland to do a number of drawings for four of them. Okay. And he, Randy paid Tom of Finland a dollar, a card for every card that he sold. Okay. The first month, he sold 20,000 cards. My gosh. He sent that to Tom and Tom was able to come to the US on that first 20,000. When Tom arrived in San Francisco, that Randy had a full quarter. And at that time, it was just under $100,000 that he was given at that time to Tom of Finland. So he was able to make a partial payment for the house that he later bought that became Tom of Finland. Oh my gosh, okay. So I got to meet him a couple of times along with Dirk who was his manager in the US at that time. Okay. And Dirk had won both IML and drummer a few years before back in 82, this was 83. Okay. So it was a little later than I would have thought. Okay. You mentioned you worked at Mr. S. Leathers. Right. They had a night shop at one of the bars which was called the Bolt at that time. And I worked in the night shop four nights a week. When they closed that out in 1980, I went to working in the shop itself and sewing. And I worked there until I went to, I went into the police department in 82 to go through the academy, police academy. And then I went over to the sheriff's department from there. But let's keep back at the Leather scene for the moment. Okay. Because you mentioned you also knew Tony de Blas and Harvey Nel. Tony de Blas would come into Mr. S. for the advertisements that Mr. S. would put into his magazine, The Drummer. And to talk to Alan Selby and Peter about, well, can I borrow these clothes for this photo shoot? Can we get this model fitted up and looking good? So we worked with Drummer at Mr. S. And that was another advertisement of sorts because sometimes they'd give us a little byline of leathers provided by. Yeah, yeah. Tell me about Harvey Milk. Harvey Milk had the only Photoshop that you could take your film to get developed if it was anything to do with gay. All right. Back then a lot of the Walmart, Walgreens, Kmart, all of the big places that had Photoshop's, you'd go in with your film and you'd come back to get them. None of your film had been developed and the negatives would have a scratch right through the middle or worse, not even there. Harvey would print just about everything. The only thing he didn't print was kid porn. Yeah. Which was, that was fine. What were your thoughts about him, especially what were your thoughts about his assassination? The day before he was assassinated we had caught the same bus downtown. And I got to talk to him on the way downtown and he was complaining that Dan White was turning into a pain, trying to get back onto the board of supervisors but his replacement had already been appointed. Yeah. And I said, well, that's going to be a rough one because he has some support in the city. And as I found out later on when I was going through the academy he had a lot of support. Now tell me, how did you see what happened with the assassination and then the riots that came after it? That was as devastating as when Kennedy died for me. I talked to Harvey and actually met Moscone a couple of times. Harvey I'd met just about once a week when going in up and down the Castro for the Saturday shopping. So, felt like a personal friend. And to hear him talk, the first couple of times he ran for office he wasn't so good in talking to the public.  On just about everything. And he worked for, he didn't work just for the gays. He worked for everybody. He tried so hard to get more senior citizens housing available. He tried so hard to work on what was then a small housing homeless project getting go but we ran into the not my backyard syndrome. He was really great in a lot of different ways. So I really missed him. He would have made a great mayor. Moscone made a great mayor. Feinstein did too. You mentioned you went into the police force. Right. I went through the San Francisco Police Academy. Why were you doing that? I wanted to get into law enforcement. A, it was a better paying career than working at Mr. Rass. More benefits. And I've seen some of the good work that a few of the officers had done. And I was greatly inspired by them. And I wanted to be like them. One of them was Paul Seidler. He was, he'd gone into the department shortly after he got married to a woman. Was married for 15 years. Departed. He was more open about coming out and being gay.  How long were you with the police force? I went through their academy and their field training operations. And at the end of that, somehow I'd picked up hepatitis A and B. I believe it was when I gave CPR to a drug addict who threw up in my mouth while doing CPR. And so I had to drop everything at that point. And then I went into the sheriff's department because they were more accepted of me being openly gay. I was one of the first three openly gay men to go through the academy. I told everybody in my class on the first day when we were introducing ourselves, I am gay. This is what I've done. This is where I'm at. And some of them dealt fine with it, but a lot of them made Dan White's homophobia look mild. I believe it. Yeah. And we first got our guns and we were carrying our weapons during class time.  And that was not considered harassment. That was boys being boys. Because that gives you a clue how bad it was. Yeah. My locker was vandalized daily. My tires were slashed a total of 19 different times. My house windows were shot out in two different homes that I lived in. So what benefit was there for you in doing this? I needed to make a change. The police department and sheriff's department were both rampantly homophobic at that time and it was 1982. It was time for a change. And you can't force change on stuck in the mud organizations like law enforcement from the external. It's easier to make the changes within. The first day I started with the sheriff's department, an article had been published by Randy Schultz exposing the names, addresses and phone numbers of everybody who had taken a test that was, they were trying to see if they could test for AIDS. I had taken the test because I had had hepatitis. Randy Schultz identified everybody who had taken the test as being HIV positive. I go into work at the sheriff's department and that's my first day. That was what was in the newspaper that day. The staff over half of them were cap, gown, mask, goggles, paper gowns and paper booties on and gloves. And they refused to work with me. So that evening or that afternoon when I got off work, I went over to the public health department to try and find out what the hell can I tell these people that are so ignorant about what AIDS is. And they didn't have anything that I could take with me. So I called up the sisters of perpetual indulgence. They said, how many sheets do you need and how much information do you want?  Because these people have their minds made up. They believe they know everything. Within two hours, I had 70 sheets of paper with the basic description of what AIDS was and how it was transmitted. And basically it came down to the last couple of lines which were, do not share needles with people, do not have sex with people who are HIV positive. And that was it. That was the only way. And after that day, I was the AIDS counselor for my department for 17 years. Great. We lost over 20 people to AIDS in my department alone. And I made names quilts for 60 law enforcement officers who died between 1982 and 1996. Wow. How did you see AIDS impact the community? It was devastating. At first thought was, oh, it's only the drug addicts that are getting it. Oh, it's only the gays that are getting it.  When it was pointed out that it was sexually transmitted and through IV use, so many people tried to stop their drugs and tried to stop having sex right then. And a lot of people didn't give a damn.  How did you see the city of San Francisco change as a result of this? If you think COVID is bad now, it was worse for that. The gay community was decimated by the amount of AIDS deaths that we were having. There were times when the local gay paper, BAR, would have sometimes two pages of obituaries in a weekly paper. And at the worst, it was up to 10 pages of deaths every week that were reported. There were lots that weren't reported. There were lots of people that went back to where they were from or where they had support to pass away and we never heard from them again. Lots of people just disappeared. I would say that in my leather community of a few thousand people, easily, 200 people just, we don't know what happened. Wow. There are houses, there are homes, there are apartments, whatever, were suddenly vacant and nobody knew where they moved or what. Lots of people went quickly. I had one friend who was diagnosed on Monday and was dead on Thursday. The death, it was extremely quick for a lot of people and other people lingered on for a while. And yet, I know now, I have one friend whose blood work was kept because he had a mysterious illness back in 1977. And it turns out it was AIDS, but they didn't have an AIDS test back then. So it predates Randy Schultz's and the band played on by five years. When we prepared for this chat, you mentioned that you learned a lot from your elders in the community. But people of my generation really didn't have that luxury. So as someone senior to me in this community, what would you like people to know about the community that your elders taught you? There's a lot more under the sun than you ever dreamed about. Sam Stewart was a friend of mine. He was also known as Phil Andross or Sam Sparrow, a prolific writer in many genres, porn, actual, he did intellectual scholastic tomes on tattoos and that, their history, identification of tribes and gangs. And that was used by the FBI. But he also wrote regular stories, novels. And he was a professor at the UC Berkeley. He was quite active in the leather community back in the 20s. It was a wealth of information about what was happening on the East Coast and in Chicago and in Europe back in the 20s and the 30s and the 40s and the 50s and the early 60s, long before I even knew I was gay. There were others like him that I met when I first came out who were in their 70s and their 80s. They may not have been the most attractive of men, but damn, they were good at sex. And they had really great stories about what had happened or how you do this or how you do that.  Yeah.   One of the exercises that they taught me was the kegels.   You can actually do the peristalsis, the reverse and keep pulling them in. I was also taught some of the methods that a lot of us who went to Asia learned of meditation, control of bodily functions, control of pain, the transference of pain and making it into pleasure and how you release your endorphins. Well, what advice would you like to give people, new people entering the leather scene? Find knowledgeable people and learn from them. It will save you a lot of time and grief. There are classes in a lot of the big events, but in many of the areas, like out here in Palm Springs, we have a thing called the bondage club. And what we do is we used to meet before COVID once a month and those of us who had experience were basically teaching people how to flog about bondage, cock and ball torture, electro, saran wrap used as a bondage tickle torture and lots of other things. One of the things we all in that group that we stay away from is breath control. That is still one of the most dangerous things that an untrained person can ever get into and way too often it comes to death.  Oh yeah, I do that for myself and my lover. I do things like what I've got on. I've made the shirt and the breeches. Very nice. The breeches are fully leather-lined. But I also make things like this is a leather kimono. Oh, okay. That's elaborate. There's a ton of colors of leather in it. Wow. Oh, that's amazing. How elaborate and beautiful. Wow. When I was a kid and going through Boy Scouts in order to get my Indian War Merit Badge, I did the beadwork and made the moccasins. Ah, that was my first leather outfit when I was a teenager and I made other leathers later on. Fantastic. I took what my grandfather and grandmother had taught me for making furniture, quilts and clothing and adapted it to leather. Yes, that's wonderful. After I was a paramedic in San Francisco, I worked for three years doing orthotics and prosthetics and that taught me to learn how to tailor things exactly. Our tolerance level in orthotics was one 100th of an inch. Wow, amazing. In three-dimensional making of leathers. So that made it easier when I worked at Mr. S to fit people. Sure. And I've been working in leather as a hobby ever since. So since the 1970s, well, actually 1960s, I've been making leather clothing. That's amazing. So what's the biggest misconception about you? A lot of people think that because I am a tailor and make leathers that I'm too effeminate and that I don't know how to do things masking. Okay, look at it this way. I've been shot four times, stabbed 17, blown up once, been in over 8,000 hand-to-hand combat situations with prisoners. I think I know a little bit about being rough. Well, Joe, I would like to thank you very, very much for being part of Inside Leather History of Fireside Chat.


Back to olive oil. You've heard me to say over and over again that the only purpose of food is to get olive oil into your mouth. Is olive oil really that good for you? Well, if you remember, olive oil Omega 9, a mono-insaturated fat, isn't either good or bad. It is really kind of a fairly neutral fat. But the benefit of olive oil is the amount of polyphenols that it carries. Interesting fun fact, polyphenols are in the fruits of plants, and they're there actually, as you've heard me say, as a protection, among other things against sunburn, among other things against predators, particularly insect predators, and surprisingly, the polyphenols in fruit leaves are actually more concentrated than in the fruit. So that's why I take olive leaf extract, because the polyphenols are actually higher in the leaves than they are in the olives. The olives are another great source of polyphenols, but when you press those olives, depending on the polyphenol concentration in the olives, that's the benefit of the olive oil, and that's why I always tell you more bitter, more better in terms of olive oil, because that bitterness is the polyphenols that you're taking. So the olive oil is there to get polyphenols in your mouth. Now, I don't think it's without a chance that two of the longest living blue zones use a liter of olive oil per week in their diet, and that's Sardinia and Crete. There are other blue zones that I write about in Acheroli where olive oil is also a huge part of their diet, but perhaps the best study backing the benefit of olive oil is the Predomed trial in Spain, which is a recent trial where they took people very much like the Lionheart study, where people had an initial heart attack and were given a stem, and these were people 65 years of age, and they were randomized into three groups. Now, for simplicity, we'll kind of not dwell. Well, yeah, we will, because it's an oil. So everybody had to follow a Mediterranean diet. One group followed a low-fat Mediterranean diet. A second group had to use a liter of olive oil per week, and they had to go back to the clinic once a week, turn in their old bottle of olive oil, and pick up a new one. So they knew exactly what people were doing. The third group ate the same diet, except they had to eat the equivalent number of calories in nuts, particularly walnuts. They were followed for five years. The initial trial was actually to look at new events of coronary artery disease. So the olive oil group and the nut group had a dramatic reduction in new events, approximately a 30% reduction, compared to the low-fat Mediterranean diet group. But the trial, what the trial found, was expanded into other areas, and one of those was memory. And what they found was the people in the olive oil group, and to a lesser extent the nut group, had improved memory at the end of five years, in other words, when they were seven years old, then they started with compared to the low-fat group, who actually memory, as you might have expected, declined during those five years. And as you'll learn in the energy paradox, what they found was that the olive oil group had a dramatic reduction in the amount of a fat called ceramides in their blood, compared to the no olive oil group that had a high level of ceramides in their blood. You're going to learn all about ceramides, because ceramides are manufactured by your mitochondria from palmitate, from palmitic acid. And guess where palmitic acid comes from? You make it from fructose. It's the only place in your diet that you get it. And so what they found was, and what I urge people to do in the energy paradox, is you want to reduce your ceramides. You want to reduce your ceramide production. And as one paper that I cite, famously said, death by ceramides. And if you want to lose memory, if you want to lose energy, then by all means increase your ceramide production. And if you want to gain energy and gain memory by everything that you can do, decrease your ceramide production, and olive oil helps to reduce ceramide production. Another huge reason to get that olive oil into you. Okay, what about olive oil raises cholesterol? Well, if you like the cholesterol theory of heart disease, and that is one theory of heart disease, then you should know that if you like that theory, that it's small, dense balls of LDL cholesterol that have the potential to oxidize. And oxidation is actually, if you like the cholesterol theory of heart disease, is the problem with small, dense cholesterol. What's fascinating in my work, and other people's work, is that the polyphenols in olive oil actually reduce the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, which may be why high olive oil use, like in the Predominid study, dramatically decrease the new incidence of coronary artery disease in that study versus a low fat diet. Now, do cholesterol levels go up on olive oil? Many times they do. But that has nothing to do with oxidized cholesterol, as I constantly reassure my patients, and has nothing to do with whether or not you should lower your cholesterol.  And there's nine calories of fat per gram of olive oil versus, or any oil, versus only four calories per gram of protein or carbohydrates. So there's twice as many calories per gram of olive oil, of any oil, as there is in protein or carbohydrates. But one of the fascinating things that has been born by multiple studies is that a calorie is not a calorie. And you're going to learn this over and over again in the energy paradox. And that explains actually why in the Predominid study, despite consuming a liter of olive oil per week, that's about 10 to 12 tablespoons of olive oil per day. And eating the equivalent calories in nuts, which is mostly fat, the nut group and the olive oil group actually lost weight over the five years of the study, despite being forced to have 10 to 12 tablespoons of olive oil per day versus the low fat group that actually gained weight during that study. And that's because we take the calories, particularly in carbohydrates, particularly in fruits, and convert them into fat, particularly palmitate, to store fat for the winter. Just exactly like a great ape does during the summer fruit season, just like a bear does during huckleberry and blueberry season. We make fat from carbohydrates. Never, ever forget that. What about coconut oil? Don't you say saturated fats are bad? Well, it turns out that coconut oil actually does have a benefit. It also has polyphenols, but for you polyphenol fans, there are 10 times more polyphenols in olive oil than there are in coconut oil. So, coconut oil does have polyphenols, but it's still not the polyphenol giant. One of the benefits of coconut oil is it is a great cooking oil because it has a very high smoke point. Now, that brings me back to olive oil. Olive oil must be bad for you because it starts smoking at low temperature, so that means it's oxidized and oxidized fats are really bad for you. As many of you who listen to the podcast know, we've had one of the world's greatest olive oil experts on the podcast. Olive oil is the least oxidizable oil of any oil. It actually beats coconut oil in terms of not being oxidized with high heat. 5,000 years of recorded history of cooking with olive oil, something must be going right with cooking with olive oil. Otherwise, it wouldn't be in most of the longest-lived people's diets. So, just because something smokes at a low temperature has nothing to do with whether that oil is oxidized. So, quite frankly, I cook in olive oil. I also cook in sesame oil, which brings me to my next point. Sesame oil is primarily a fat of the omega-6 chain. And so, gosh, it must be bad for it. But as I study cultures around the world, I've noted that particularly in Middle East cultures, there is a huge amount of sesame eaten and sesame oil being used, the Japanese fry in sesame oil. And anytime I see a culture using an oil like Koreans use perilla oil, I always want to do a deep dive into why they're doing that. And it turns out with sesame oil, as you're going to learn about in the energy paradox, there's some beautiful paper showing that the omega-6 fat in sesame oil not only reduces inflammation, but actually dramatically improves blood pressure. In a beautiful human trial, people with high blood pressure were asked to take two tablespoons of sesame oil, plain sesame oil, not toasted, a day for 28 weeks. And all of them, these are people with high blood pressure. Their blood pressure normalized while they were on the sesame oil. They then removed the sesame oil from their diet and their blood pressure returned to the high levels. So after reading that paper and incorporating it into my and my other patients with high blood pressure program, we've noticed in our patients with high blood pressure that their blood pressure is starting to come down quite dramatically if I can get them to use two tablespoons of sesame oil. Now the great thing about sesame oil is it's flavorless and it has a high smoke point. So you can cook with it, you can mix it in with your olive oil. I'm cooking it half and half with olive oil now. I mix it into my salad dressings. I take a tablespoon of sesame oil every day as part of my regimen. So sesame, the components, the polyphenols in sesame have some fascinating anti-inflammatory processes that properties that we really need to be aware of and you need to be aware of. Same way with perill oil. You know I've been a fan of perill oil for many years. It also has a lot of ALA, alpha-lenolac acid in it, plus it has another cool component called rosemaryic acid which is rosemary and rosemaryic acid has tremendous brain supporting powers. That's why the aceroles in southern Italy chew rosemary constantly and have rosemary in every one of their dishes and they have more people over 100 per population than anywhere in the world. 30% of that town is over 100 and they're thriving and I have trouble chasing them up hills. Okay, so that's why these oils not only aren't bad for you but should be a part of every one of our diets. So critics out there, I'm sorry, Ansel Keys loved his olive oil and I'm sorry his research from the 1950s needs a little updating and please look at the human trials, look at the animal trials. One of our greatest neurologists, Dr. Bredesen, my colleague, Dale Bredesen recommends olive oil. Neurologists know that there are benefits in olive oil that far outweigh any possible risk there might be in ingesting it and oil is not an oil is not an oil. It's what the oil is bringing to you in terms of its components and if you really, want to increase the amount of bad oils in your body then please eat a low fat standard American heart diet with lots of carbohydrates and lots of fruit and you will manufacture those bad oils. And I've written papers about this if you want to kick up your triglycerides which are the number one risk factor in heart disease please eat a low fat high carbohydrate diet you'll do just that and I've documented this in my patients and published papers on it so our heart recommendation our heart diet recommendations are flat wrong. More amazing episodes just like this one watch now. Now sometimes in America we see the words nuvo olio or nuvo olive oil is is that a sign that these were picked greener? It can be a sign usually it's a sign of freshness but


The following is a presentation of TFNN, the Tiger Technician Hour. With your host, Basil Chapman, call now toll-free at 1-877-927-6648. Good morning, one thousand Chapman on this Thursday the 18th of April. We're looking at the E-mini right now trying its best to get to the 200-beer moving average of five thousand and sixty-nine. There's a peak C1C2. Remember we're talking about that in the Dow, a peak C1C2, how they can act like a D, but we also have to follow closely because the closer it remains near that it's going to try to retest it a couple of times. All right, let's get back to the story. The story is that the Dow is acting much better than the general market itself. Look here, this is the Dow immediately. The Dow is up 180 points. It's nice to see a green candle. Look at this. Since the sow has moved down from right there, the doji candle. Well, let's go to the green candle. From the 4th of April, where the Dow was trading with a high of 30,040, this could be the first day with a green candle. Wouldn't that be nice, huh? And it's been down. We're looking at this as a sell mode. And now I haven't opened this up to show you something very interesting. Look here. So there's this area, this containment area. We're right at the top part of this whole area. The bottom part goes to 37,132. Just in the measurement and this particular pattern, this particular technique that I use, that's the area that is a containment area. You have in the, I'll go to this show my subscribers every day. You have a couple of, a couple of inside wedge target support lines that have been hit. It looks like a fan. And what happened is it went below the fan three times, actually once, two, three, four times. And now it's starting to hold. And I've got a slightly different projection in this that says the level of support and not going all the way down to the 37,122 was this low here. And I was spending a little time on the Dow only because we're looking at the Dow starting its move to the downside on the 18th of April. And most, sorry, 18th of April on the 21st of March. So it was kind of early to the game. And then one by one, we waited for the nine period moving averages to cross negative. And only three days ago, they're the SMHs turn negative. And why are they, are they weak? I mean, the SMHs are down almost three right now from yesterday's big move down. All right. So that says that this is an area based on this, but these patterns that I use chavel wave methodology of a support level. But there's a huge set of resistance levels. There's a bunch of support levels. Let me show you this is what I showed subscribers this morning. In fact, here's the newsletter right here. This is what I said when I go there. So this is what I say to subscribers. I always every day I give it closed down minus 45 and 37,753. And then I go on to talk about what's going on. And then I said, there's a cluster. Look, this is chavel wave automated support levels right there. That's in the daily chart. Look at the cluster of support levels, automated support levels based on the MACD and the stochastic right here. So at any moment, we should be able to have a pretty decent bounce. I'm anticipating some kind of about how it closes and how it goes into Friday's close is going to be really important. So this is the cluster formation. All right, let's get move this away. And yeah, so in the meantime, back at the range. So now the Dow, the Dow is now 212. Have we got a nice spike in the futures? Yep, I think we did. Here we go. Yeah, so it went right to the 200 period moving average. I'm calling this a potential. Look, this could be a brand new A and that could be D slash B. And I've got the alternate count only because I need some proof. Look, the stochastic is still not over 80%. The MACD is good. The 9 period moving average did cross positive. I need sustainability. But now I can say that the five minute chart has gone to a leg B. And the burst to the upside after all these very mild but pullbacks that we've seen says if it can break to a certain level, and in that case 5081, we're at 5069 is the 200 period exponential moving average in the 10 minute chart. So you really have to break 5074. That's the five minute 200 period. Look at that resistance, magnificent resistance line. You don't have to do anything. You just put it on your chart and watch it. And if it takes out 5074, goes to 5076, then there's a good chance you can the next move up will be 5081. But the selling pressure just keeps coming in. And my suspicion is that the selling pressure is and let's go through these one at a time. Yeah. I'm going to go backwards. Usually I do bonds lost. The TLT is down 25 cents at 89.03. It doesn't sound like a big deal. But it is a big deal because yesterday's nice move up days young. Anything can happen. Economic news could come out. Anything can happen. But it needs to get as quickly as possible for the first time in a while to test the pink nine period moving average of 89.88 hasn't done it yet. All right. So with that said, I said to Mike earlier when he called Tommy show that I would look at harmony. He wanted harmony gold. He wanted a picture that said to him, I'm in at a very good price. I want to keep it as long as possible. Where would it be that I have to start getting nervous? They could give back a huge chunk. It's a really done a leg D in the monthly chart. It's a really done an alternate count F slash B in the in the weekly chart because this low right here, the week of I think it was January. Yeah. January the 19th had a low of 5.40. Then it ran up nicely for peak E and then pulled back. And what did it do? It went to 5.41 the week of the 16th of Feb. We tested at 5.41 the week of the first of March. And now it's moved up sharply. So that's a little double bottom low that is important to recognize. And even more important is that the count according to an F for now. But really it has an alternate count because everything is so positive is the castings at 90%. So what I'm just, I'll do a little more work on it. But what I wanted to talk about, oh, I should do that tomorrow. This here, you see, when you go from a peak D and within three bars, you make a higher high that automatically goes to an E. But I like to say, think of it as an E slash A. But if you take out the low that comes after that really takes out the low that was the one that started that leg in and did that by going to the low of 7.21 on the 19th, I always put this in and I say, okay, if this is going to fail, this is what's called chaff wave unconventional flat base restart. Why?  But if this is the case, if harmony HMY stalls and starts to trade under 840, and then goes to 820 over the next week, I'm going to give it seven trading days. 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Sign up today and become a part of this educational community of traders. Just visit the front page of TFNN.com free at 1-877-927-6648 internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER> Hello, so let's just make it as easy as possible. Just you don't want to overdo the thinking here just on a purely speculative level. I would say that if harmony at any point in the next I think you're looking longer term if at any point over the going into May, April, May, if it starts to trade under 750. That's where I would just take a little bit off. Now I prefer to look at it another way and say on the way up. Why not have a some part of it had just a running stop loss. It's just best to do that way. And all I would do is I would say I would I would cover if it goes to 1250 or start to go to 1050. Then I'd have a trading stop just so that you can take a little bit off to reward yourself. I'd rather do it that way than to just suddenly get out of everything. So I would prefer to see you have a trading stop, make it a two points trading stop. That's the best way. But if at any point in the next two, three weeks, it breaks under 750, 730 key support. Let's give me a call. Let's look at it together. I don't want you to get out of a position you've got in so beautifully that has the potential to move higher. Okay, got that out the way. Next question is, can we look at hood? Yep, Robin Hood, H-O-O-D. Oh, I typed it in the wrong place, typed in there, Robin Hood. Now, did we get a D in the in the one minute? Was that the one minute? I'll talk about that. So Robin Hood is a fantastic move. 681 was the low back in June of 2022. 85 round number all time high was August of 2021. And it's come back and it's had a fabulous move up. Oh, I forgot to type that in. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Little double top here, 2855, 2854, 2855, two bar reversal, 27th of March to the 28th, 28, did I say 28? Why did I say 28? 20, 20.55. Oh, the date of 20.55 on the 27th and 20.54. So 2855 was the high. Then you got a chapter with two bar reversal. Always be really careful of that. So let me put it in 20.55. All right, that was on the 28th. So that's, did I say April March? That's to be March, right? 20. All right. So now, oh, that was 27, 28th was the two bar reversal. Okay. Okay, so I'm looking at this and I'm saying I would have patience. I think it's really important to in this particular environment. But if you really like Robin Hood, and you haven't had any, you haven't got any position yet. At 1722, I can see it filling the 16 to 15 area over the next two weeks. I might be wrong, because you could turn at any point where the 9 p.m. moving average has expanded under the 14. It'll be a, it'll be a work in progress if it does that. So I'm just going to say to you. Now, I don't know if you use options. If you use options, that's one thing I would go out. I just go far out with the I get closer to in the money, but not in the money. I get it's at 1722. I get a 17. If you can get a 1750 option and go out to what is this April, May, go to get a monthly go to the the third Friday of May, which is the 17th. Just thinking of it along those lines. But in the meantime, I want to see a pullback into the 16 to 15 area. And that's where I'm going to make a decision for subscribers. We missed getting in before I spoke about it, spoke about it, didn't do it. Okay. So with that said, I hope I helped you there. But what I wanted to say is you could have started option position realizing that it's going to shrink. But if you're looking out to May, I probably even say you could do it June if you're looking at longer term because I think Robin Hood is going to go to a higher highs. I think Robin Hood has the potential to get into the 2530 area, but it might be a little later this year. Let's just look at BTC. I was asked about that. Yeah, Bitcoin, I said, I think it's starting to make it's got to hold the support level. And if it doesn't, and it closes under 59,000 59,000 at any point, be careful. Right now, it's in that stage that says, I've taken out the rectangle low. And that's not a B. This, this would normally be a B. But you've got to say that was the high 75,185. So then that's, that's an A, but that's also an A. On the way down, we go to lower case A, B, C. Now you've got your notation. The stochastic is way down at 13%. That's very weak on balance one, very weak, MacD, very weak, relative strength, very weak. The 9p moving average under the 14 very weak. So I'm going to suggest to you that it's digesting gains. It looks a little bit like Microsoft. Look at this, Microsoft. Right here. Microsoft, there it is. Look at that.  We've been anticipating that we're long from 338. We took a little bit off. We've had some training positions, et cetera, but done nothing. I said, I'd like to short it, but I don't want to short something real long. 430.82 was the all time high, made a double top there, made a cup formation. The right side was much weaker, and it took out the rectangle. And it's doing it quite conservatively. I would just say this is a warning. And that's also weakening the Dow. So you've got some stocks that are acting very nicely in the Dow and some stocks that are very weak. So I'm just going to say that as far as the, just wanted to check on my messages that Microsoft is concerned, this is another one in the weekly chart, peak C1, C2, acting like a D. Huh. I just be careful with some of these that have had spectacular moves. Now let me just do this because I was asked, could you go back to your E-mini chart? Did it get to the D? Yeah, there it is. So you got to a D and now you store it. Look at the magnet of this 200-period moving average. Very nice positioning there. Oh, I just saw, that's a warning sign for me that I better, as soon as I'm finished here, I better shut down and restart just to get everything refreshed. But look at the weekly, sorry, look at the five-minute chart. Remember, I like to look at the one, five and ten as daily, weekly, monthly charts. Look how it's holding. Look at the nine-period moving average. It's still good. I have to tell you, we are so oversold in some of these areas that there should be a decent balance. I would say 10.5, 10.50 in the E-mini is not a decent balance kind of pathetic, but it could increase over the period of time. The longer that the market holds up, the greater the chances are that buying will come in a little later in the day. Yes, you've got some stock acting very poorly, but at the same time the ones that are rounding could really help the market. BTC, yes, is moving up. COIN is moving up. Okay, COIN. Remember, that was the lag at the wrong place. Sorry. There we go, daily chart. COIN, three coins in the fountain. Okay, COIN. Yeah, it's moving up. But that PG in the daily chart says that the stochastic everything is really good balance and good balance even to 232, trading at 224 right now of 10. But I wouldn't be surprised if you see this dreaded age pattern. Oh, I'll talk about that when we return. This is a pattern you should be very aware of in this environment until it can reverse. I'll be back. Basel chapter five admissions hour does up to 18. If you spend any time online researching trading techniques on how to begin your trading journey, you've no doubt come across many folks who push forex trading as a way to make big money quickly. Unfortunately, there are equally as many stories of these so-called forex professionals just looking to make a quick buck off inspiring traders without actually teaching the ins and outs of the forex market. This is what sets Teddy Keck stacks the Tiger Forex report off the riffraff. 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This portion of the Tiger Technicians Hour is brought to you by Directions Daily Leveraged and Inverse ETFs.  Visit Direction.com. Investing in the funds involves significant risk and should only be utilized by investors who understand the impact of leverage and actively monitor their portfolio. They are not designed to track the underlying index or security for more than a day. Before investing, carefully consider a funds investment objective, risk, charges and expenses contained in the prospectus available at Direction.com. Read carefully. Distributor for side fund services, LLC. So I was asked about CLSK and CLSK's CleanSpark and data centers run on low carbon power support, Bitcoin made a peak D in the day and the made this confirmation. We talked about that and ran up to a second peak D right there in the 24s, pulls back sharply to the 14s. I would say, you remember I said there's a little bit of vulnerability there. Well, 24 down to 14. I'd say that's vulnerable. Now it's having two bars of green yesterday and nicer one today, up $1.37 and 16.29. Question is just to look about you started an uptrend. Yes, it's starting an uptrend, but I haven't got a confirmation in the daily chart yet that it's an uptrend that has sustainability because there's that gap at 18 and it's trading at 16.22 right now. But because you are and remember, this is almost like the rectangle formation that went underneath the base of support. But look what it did. It held so nicely. The stochastics at 8 percent, 8.8 percent, the on balance one did make a nice V shaped turnaround with price. I like that. The histogram of the MagD is moving up. So, Peaky, I'm going to suggest this because you have a completely different way of looking at markets. You're prepared to hold stocks for forever. If you like them. And in this particular case, it's already got a peak E in the weekly. It's already got a peak, a leg E could be a peak E in the in the monthly chart. But as a trade that says the chances are will be very strong that the trade could become intermediate term position. I'm going to suggest that, although I still see weakness to it, the concerted effort that it's made in making this cup formation. And remember, this is purely visual. This is not mathematical. This is a visual. You've got your quoro. That's the left side, quarter semicircle. And now you're starting the right side.  And I can't remember. I think this is one you already have, but you wanted to answer. But whatever it is, take a small position here at 16.09. But this one, you do have to have a stop.  But I'm just saying I would have, and this case it could be because it's a smallish position, a starter position to see if it's able to get to by a week from today or no week from maybe next Tuesday or Wednesday. If it's managed to get above 16.73, today's high 16.37. If it can get above 16.73, then it's going to go one peak at a time until it gets to that 18 level. So start your position here. But this one, I'd have a split stop. I'd have a stop of one point. But I know that you prepare to have more and then I'd see how it tests the low that was made for. It closes under this low, right here, the low of the 16th, which is at 14.18. You know what? It's a big percentage, but I know that this is a position that has, if it really works, data centers run on low carbon power. I think this is going to be needed. I mean, the energy, when you think of air conditioning or that all the blackouts we often have in the summertime and then you're still going to have millions of people going on the grid because they want to charge their cars. I don't know what's going to happen to the electric situation. So maybe that's in an area of positivity for the longer term. Let's start your position here. This position would have a split one point stop. And another part that says under $14, I'm out. Right. But here's the thing. If you in it and it starts to get to 1673, then I would still keep the original, the the stop under 14. But this other one, I just raise it a little bit like for every 10 cents up, I'd raise it two cents or so just because you want to training stuff because if this fails and that pink nine-period moving average does not cross green, there's a really good chance it's going to the 13s. So with that said, start your positions, but be very careful because it isn't a downtrend. All right. Next question was, oh, you want me to look again. Sure. Okay. So this is a tough one for me because now I'm looking at the nine-period moving average so positive in the five minute chart of the E-mini and it's already in leg C. I mean, the whole thing was to be able to get in on that close right there and stay in that position green in the one minute chart. And you just walk in the nine-period moving average. Now the E-mini is up at 17. I think it's going to be a very nice day today. But at the same time, all those nine 14s that have turned negative, it'll take a lot more than this to get them positive. So this is a very needed balance in the market. And I suspect it is going to last. It's only an A in the 10 minute chart for 5081. Remember, we need to get above the 200-period moving average in the five minute chart to activate the 5081 200-period moving average in the 10-minute E-mini chart. That's a 5081. And I think we're going to get that quite quickly. All right. With that said, V-I-C-R V-I-C-R Vicar. That's the old Vicar down in Essex. Let's go and see Vicar. This is Viacor Corporation high performance power modules for networks. Yeah, you see, the problem is it's not working in all these situations at a 35-round number low. It went right to the 200-period moving average back in February in the 47s, plummets down to 35. I would call that a sharp move down, tries to rally again to the 38 level, and now it's down to 34. No, this one doesn't look good at all. This one is a problem. No, I have to say off this one, I can only see the upside if for a week, you've got the weekly chart closing about 3720. Then let's look at it and say, wow, now what can I do? But up until then it's just it's not good. Low lows and low highs. Sorry. Next one was OK, Moz. Moz is mosaic, mosaic. OK, oh man, you know, I had this all notated. OK, the mosaic company, phosphates, potash, crop nutrients made it high and it wasn't an all time high because that really goes back. I remember this very well from way back. Yeah, well, look back in 2011, it was at about 88 comes down, has a little bit of a pull back to the age level and then runs up to just under 80 and now it's back down to 30. This is a tough one for me because the DBA has just been spectacular, but that has grains and has other commodities. It has. It even has cocoa and cocoa, which is finally DBA is finally got to this new leg. T this look of C.C. Just as we go to the break and then I get back. 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This program is brought to you by Vista Gold, traded on the NYSE American and TSX under the symbol VGZ. Hi folks, I'm Mosaic. The Mosaic Company is looking at some all-training at 30.82 up 53 cents off the Chapman Wave Red, very tiny red Roman candle, inverted Roman candle. So it's holding this all the way through. I don't know how let me look at the 120-minute chart because if it holds it for 90 minutes above that midpoint, which is doing right now, yeah, this is good. OK, so that just says I don't know if you're in it. It's just been making lower lows and lower highs, but it could bounce. And if you're prepared to play it, treat it first as a trade and then maybe as a position because it's already made peak A, peak B. Whoa, look at that. One more rest than a new high 30, 254. Let's see if it goes a penny higher. Oh, wow. This is a this is one of the quickest Chapman Wave moves you can have from a by-starting signal. Look, here's your peak A in the weekly, A, one bar rest, then it makes a fraction on your high. B, one bar rest, makes a fraction on your high. C, then it has one bar rest fraction you high continuing for another week. So that's out of. Remember, I used to call this the seven wave form because it took seven waves to to make a peak D. Eighth, the eighth bar would be down. And that just says that the shortest you can do it is within up, down, up, down, up, down is within seven sessions. So look at this. From the starting point, it went peak A, one bar rest, peak B, one bar rest, peak C, one bar rest, then it starts neg D. So it's one of the shortest. And I always say the quicker you get to a D and not very much movement, the quicker you can expect some kind of a pullback, not a major sell signal, but at least, well, this is a pretty big sell-off from the 30, 32s down to 29s and it's trading right now at 30.78. So that just says to me it's not ready for prime time. It will be ready for prime time if it takes no more than one bar rest. And next week is a green bar trading water in the 34s. 30, 32, sorry, 32. 30s. That'll be good. OK, so what would you do? I'm just going to say that this is this is not even a startup position. This is the feeler position. If you want, because you're rotating through all these different sectors, if the semiconductors take a breather, you've got to find other sectors that will take its place. Money is always finding the the the best possible outcomes. So startup position at 30.83, which is really just a small startup position and at 30.83 you could even have a stop underneath the low that was made yesterday, which is at 30. 30.94 and make it 3070. I give it just over a dollar right now, I think for a 30 dollar because you're expecting you expecting. I'm not expecting anything, but I am saying that if I can get to the 3170, 3220 area by next Tuesday or Wednesday or even Thursday without taking out this low, that's the start of a nice move, even if it's just a balance. OK, so if that helps you start a position with with I'd even call it a trading stop. Next thing we want to look at here is oh, did I mention this? So I mentioned in Tommy's show when I subbed for him this morning, Netflix has earnings coming out today. This trading up four and a half at six one eight point 18. It had a round number all time high six three nine point zero zero on the eighth of April. Let's see what happens is they're going to spiral right through is going to go to 650. It's a 618 right now. Always going to stall. Always going to break down. I have no idea, but the nine period moving average for the last two days did go negative and it's got the round number. So I'm going to be watching this very closely. There's absolutely the daily charge starting to weaken a lot technically. But the monthly a weekly chart looks fabulous as does the monthly. So it could be just a minor breather that it takes. So I wanted to get that out the way. I keep looking at this because I'm sitting here not doing anything. But look at what a nice trade that would have been. Look from the crossover of the nine period moving average at about just as my show was starting. I almost did it. I thought I would mess me up in the show. And that was at five five the five six fifty sixty area. And you know we are at fifty eighty three having gone to a leg E and now it's at F calling an F for now in the one minute chart and you've got your D in the five minute chart. That's what we're waiting for. Isn't that interesting. This is live and we're showing it to you as we were doing the show that the nine year moving average cross positive in the five minute chart. It went over the two hundred and I said it should try to tackle the fifty eighty one level. It went above it. And this is only a leg A in the ten minute chart. It's going to be an interesting day isn't it. All right. So in the meantime back at the ranch let's just go to this and another question. To show this. OK. Oh that's all talking about something else. OK. So question came in. Where was it. I saw it somewhere. Give me a second here before the break comes. I just want to check my emails. Why am I not updating in this particular. Whoa. Something's wrong there. OK. I got it. Going to look at the FXI. OK. FXI is the China large cap ETF. FXI. Yeah.  So what I wanted to say is that that the low that was made. I should put that in here. The low that was made at 20 twenty point eighty six on the week of the twenty six of January twenty point eighty six twenty six of January. Twenty point eighty six. One twenty twenty four. Yeah. That low is still holding well. And for the very first time on a weekly basis since way back in I think it was August of last year up in the twenty eights and it's gone down to twenty point eighty six. The nine period moving averages flip positive in the weekly. But I have to wait for my four o'clock to be able to confirm that monthly still looks horrible. We had a test. It went twenty point eighty seven on the in October of twenty twenty two runs up to the thirty threes comes all the way back and it takes out that low by one point to twenty point eighty six. And that was in January. And now look at this. This is start of a gray A. That was an a failure. So it gets an A minus because it took out the initial low by one point. And now this is an A right here. OK. So what am I looking at? I'm looking at FXI having key support in the twenty three fifty areas trading at twenty four nine right now. And I shouldn't say major. This is daily support between twenty three thirty and twenty three. And if it's able to break above the two hundred period exponential moving average of twenty five point three in the next well by the end of April. That'll be a very good sign. That'll say it can keep running for a while longer. But the monthly chart looks just horrible. But the technicals was slightly improving as it pulled back. So there's a positive divergence. OK. So the question can end. Oh oil. So oil is pulling back a little bit. Oh now it's down thirty three cents. So oil might have made a short term top at the peak D in the day. But it's also going to be a big D in the week. The under the previous one that says oil should be coming down. That should help the market. I'll be back in a moment. That's what I think. Tigers we have some exciting news. Live trading Fridays are here. Join Larry Pesavento every second and fourth Friday of the month nine a.m. to noon Eastern time as he places short term trades and gives insights into his strategies. That's right. 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Don't forget you can listen to TFNN live on your mobile device 24 hours per day. Go to TFNN dot com and hit watch Tiger TV. That's TFNN dot com and hit watch Tiger TV. So Wyoming Highway W. W. Y. O. H. W. Y. Basil could you review how you begin transferring price objectives saved up from a 10 minute chart to an hourly and when is it more clear than a two click session as a merge. So obviously you don't have time right now. I'll do it tomorrow's technical Friday. I'll do some of it tomorrow. But you know I've covered that a lot in my webinars but I'll try to do as much as I can. But just showing you right now. Look how this walking the nine period moving average in the one minute chart gave you a peak A B C and then a D in the in the five minute chart. Look this is only a leg A in the 10 minute chart. Either it says this is fantastic because we're still going to have a B a C and a D by four o'clock this afternoon. Or it says oh single leg A up be careful. So you have to go one step at a time. But the stochastic in the five minute chart and 19.59 really good. And the nine is way over the 14 and the price is way over the nine and it's used as 200 period moving average. Look at it was resistance and then not support. So 50 74 is your key support in the short term based on the five minute chart. The 572 in the in the one minute chart and in 581 5081 in the 10 minute chart. That's the way I look at it. But the further away you get from each the better it is. So two click session. If I was if I really did this click somewhere over here that would have been one click. And I would just watch everything. And if I was one click with maybe one position that's one thing but one click with two positions or three then I would at any this like this peak D right here. I'd raise the stop to say one of them should be taking profits. But I just hold it. There's nothing to do now. You just sit back for the rest of the day and let it tell you and you have a trading stock. And then at a certain point between three thirty and four if it's acting really well you try to ride it into the close. But I'll try to do more of it tomorrow. Stay tuned for Steve's coming up great program today. And I do think that this balance that I mean just a bit