What are you looking at? What are you looking at? It's the whole thing. You're looking at someone? I don't know. I'm not looking at you. I'm not staring. I'm looking at someone. I'm not staring. I'm not staring. I'm not staring. If you look at me, I'm not staring. I'm not staring. There are also three viewers who are seeing this, possibly hearing our conversation. Tweet at Camron. We're rolling in. You should tweet at rolling in. We're only three of you. We're like my buddies. Alright, let's see what we can do. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Welcome back everyone. Again, my name is John Baker. I'm a literary manager here at WOLI, and I'm moderating the second part of tonight, which is a town hall-style discussion with some really wonderful folks on the topic of same-sex marriage. And for those of you with smartphones, and for those of you who use Twitter, I'm going to say something that you very rarely hear in the theater. I would love for you to turn your phone on to take your iPhones out, to take your... So take your phones out, and this is because this conversation is actually being live streamed on New Play TV thanks to our friends over at Irina's stage. So thank you to our friends over there and the New Play Institute. So they have set us up tonight. So this is being live streamed, and that's what the camera over there is. And for those of you with Twitter, you can follow along. You can participate in the conversation using the hashtag right behind me, WOLI8. If you have questions and you really can't see to get your questions out there, you can do that via Twitter. And I'm relying on Cameron over in the corner over here to follow along on Twitter and any interesting questions that come up. He will raise them. So that's how that's going to work. And so what I want to say is that really one of the wonderful things about working at a theater in the nation's capital is that I'm up on stage with all of these amazing people who have done really amazing things in relations to the same sex marriage conversation. And so what I'd like to do is just start off this part of the evening by having each of you guys introduce yourselves and give us a sense, contextualize sort of where you fit into the same sex marriage conversation. And that's how we'll start.  We'll open it up to everybody for questions. So for anybody in the theater and anybody online using Twitter, we'll open it up. And that's how the evening's going to work. So without further ado, I'm going to pass the mic over and have you guys introduce yourselves. Thanks. My name is Peter Rosenstein and I'm president of a group called Campaign for All DC Families. What that is is the organization was put together predominantly to unite the groups in DC that were fighting for marriage equality. Back in 2005, there was a threat to have an initiative or a referendum against same sex marriage in DC. And a couple of us sat down and put together a group called Foundation for All DC Families. To fight that need be. We then turned that into a campaign that had to do with the political efficacy of doing a 501C4 which would allow us to lobby and raise money which a C3 wouldn't. So many of us have been in this battle for a long time. And I think if you look at DC, we were very fortunate aside from having people like David and others on the council who moved this forward, but way back in 1977 with the Charter of Amendment Act, we were lucky enough not to allow an initiative and referendum on marriage equality in DC. We didn't have to go through what Maryland and other states are going through. So many of us have been involved in this fight for a long time. Thank you Peter. I'm right here in the executive director of the National and Lesbian Task Force. We're based here in DC, although have staff all over the country. And we have been involved in a number of ballot measures, all of the ballot measures really across the country having to do with marriage, especially Prop 8, and we helped turn the field campaign for Prop 8 and then our colleagues in the legal organizations you've seen tonight they're working here tonight with the actors. But I guess I actually want to make a personal connection to Prop 8 which is that my spouse Margaret and I are one of the 18,000 of those California married couples who married in the window and we are actually married by the transgender man who argued the original case in front of the California Supreme Court to get marriage in California. So Prop 8 as it continues to play out is in fact deeply personal as well as how I and the Task Force spend many of our days. One of the perspectives that we have had on marriage over time is to spend a lot of human and financial resources on marriage but also to make sure that in the context of the humanity of our lives that we continue to lift up the many other issues that are important to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in our families. Marriage is one of them and others are as well. Any questions come up, I can speak to that. And the last thing I'll say before turning over to David is I was so struck by the timeliness of this and the time-capsulness of it. It was only a couple of years ago and it is astonishing how much has happened in this country in that very short period of time including the last month. And tomorrow for those of you who didn't see it, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will actually issue a decision on whether or not it will go for embank in here the case there or not. If not, then we'd certainly expect the opponents to push to bring it before the Supreme Court soon. So, if we were having this tomorrow night, we might actually have both of them. Good evening. I think it's been a bit of a pity I'm here. I'm the author of the Marriage Quality Bill in the District. I will pronounce that I was told that the dress would be casual. It's a true story. A true story. A true story. I'm sure this crowd would make coffee nervous. So, I often built and also played Marriage Quality in the District, but there's a lot of fun sub-stories. When I'm watching this play it's about, this is not interesting, in a funny-ha-ha way, but it's interesting that we're living this street. I made the decision to go forward to Marriage Quality. Surely I would have thought Obama was elected. I appreciated the fact that early in the term is the time in which big decisions can be made that typically become the president is who's going to lose. We didn't realize how much, but that there would be a reduction in congressional majority if you had it, and so you wanted to strike early. And so, I made the decision in November and December of 2008 that we would go forward. I hopefully won the chance that there's interest in figuring out how we did that and the strategies that were being weighted. Our first decision was to recognize marriages that were performed outside of the city and kennels those under the tent. And that was quite a stroke of luck how that came down. Ultimately, we had success here with Marriage Quality. People look at the city and say, well, given the makeup of the council and the support of the majority of the members, at least on paper, that should have been a cable wall. But there's often a divide between what people will say and what people will do. And we have the misfortune of having been out of the thumb of Congress. And so, nothing that we do is easy. And I come in with coming fresh off Prop 8 and I think the unfair blaming of African-Americans for the defeat of Marriage Quality in Virginia, having this decision and having this discussion of the majority African-American community and ultimately prevailing, I thought was quite an exciting opportunity as a citizen of the city to watch. And so, there are many, many great stories, some that are published and some that aren't. And, you know, we're just there once upon a time. I'm published already, so hopefully we can share that. Hi, I'm Brian Baldwin. I'm the legal director for Human Rights Campaign. HRC is the largest national advocacy organization here in D.C. and along with our partners in many organizations who work similar to what the task force does in engaging with the state measures, including Maryland Campaign, New York, D.C., and others in recent years. What I do at HRC is actually on the federal level, working on federal policy questions, particularly around relationship recognition. We can't forget that aside from the state aspects of this, there are over 1,100 rights and benefits that come with marriage under federal law. And so, we want to work on trying to get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act which prevents recognition of marriages for those purposes. And also, as stated earlier, too, there's a lot that Congress likes to do to mettle, not just with marriage equality in D.C., but to find creative ways to collect unrecurrent possible representatives to inject the issue of marriage equality into anything we try to do to address the range of rights that we're trying to achieve with this community as re-noted. So, there's a strong federal dynamic to all of this work and that's a lot of what I do at HRC. We've also been very happy to support the efforts of our litigation partners, including Afer and in the Pakeh case, as a trend of the court, and also to try and bring some unusual voices to these conversations in court like the business community pointing out why marriage equality is important for them to be able to be successful as well. Thank you for having me. I'm Matt Nielsen. I'm Senior Counseling Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division Department of Justice. And as I was sitting here, I was thinking about that I joined the administration of a political appointee about three years ago, in June 2009. And in June 2009, I knew that I was going to be going to the Department of the Civil Rights Division to be part of that division, restoration, transformation, and to be the person who was going to oversee LGBT issues in the Civil Rights Division front office position, which you may be surprised to hear wasn't held in the previous administration. So, you know, I was very excited to do that. And just about a few days before, you know, everything was kind of public and confirmed. There was news in the blogosphere that the Department of Justice filed a brief in this case, Defending the Defensive Marriage Act that had what could fairly be described as incendiary language that relied on arguments that had been made in the past by previous administration defending Section 3 of the Defensive Marriage Act. And I had the good fortune at that time, June of 2009, to be invited to the White House LGBT Pride Reception that year. And, you know, I remember going to that reception and standing in line and people were like, well, what are you going to do? And I was like, well, I'm going to the Department of Justice, you know. Because I was a little bit gun shy at that point.  So, you know, I went there subsequently for lots of reasons. You know, the briefs began to change. They continued to defend the Defensive Marriage Act, but using different arguments, different rationale. The president was on record saying that he believed the Defensive Marriage Act was discriminatory and should be repealed. And that was the environment in which, you know, I was working for the first part. And as I fast-forward, you know, three years, it is nothing less than kind of mind-blowing the amount of change has occurred. Because now, you know, I've been invited to participate in this panel. You know, what has changed a couple of things? Well, the Department of Justice is no longer defending the Defensive Marriage Act.  Many of the arguments about immutability and political powerlessness that were discussed in the play tonight are those very arguments that, you know, were discussed and adopted by the Justice Department in arguing to courts that we have that the Defensive Marriage Act is unconstitutional and should be subjected to heightened scrutiny. A week ago, the First Circuit in Boston struck the Defensive Marriage Act down in the first quarter of appeals to do so, you know, a month ago. I think during the very same week that I was invited to participate in this panel, someone down the street decided to, you know, announce his support for marriage equality and that sort of changed the equation. And certainly for people working in the administration, you know, has made it somewhat easier to appear on panels and discuss about it. And the departments, you know, continues to actively politicize the Defensive Marriage Act and, you know, it's not the only issue right relating to LGBT equality that I've worked on in the past few years. We've passed, you know, the Hate Crimes Bill to Shepard and Matthew Shepard, James Wood Jr. to the Demention Act, which actually was very much involved in supporting the, you know, Supported Employment and Entrepreneurship Nation Act in 2009. You know, there have been multiple other advances on the executive branch front and then legislation has been supported and has necessarily passed to otherwise further dodging the equality. So, you know, the record is replete with a lot of conjures, a lot of forward advances. Of course, there's a lot more work left to do but, you know, if you fast...  You know, I don't know that I would have necessarily believed. Thank you. My name is Rich Madalino and I'm from, I think, Orion in the play. I'm, and do you use your current term? I'm one of the 1% and I am one of the 1% openly gay state legislatures.  I'm a long-time fan, David Kitanya and Jim Graham and have watched what they've carefully built over time in the District of Columbia and we have steadily followed them a few steps behind which sometimes happens. But we are now in a position where after several years of me being the lead sponsor on the marriage following bill and my sky was in the Martinville Malle so you may have heard of that. Decided to take that bill from me and put it in this year and we managed to pass it. And now Maryland faces, in essence, the same ballot measure that you saw today. In fact, one of the certainly most entertaining characters in the Maggie Gallagher is a real-life frightening person who is based in our area because they're in Northern Virginia and she provided half the funds, half the funds to put our marriage law potentially on the ballot this year. The first campaign finance report shows half the money came from the National Organization for Marriage and if you want to know who they are I think they are now officially registered heat group. I characterized the heat group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. HRC has put out a website and it's called nonexposed.org. I'm 47, I'm trying to tweet. But nonexposed.org to visit that there are six people in this country who have provided like 95% of their funds and those six wealthy people are trying to overturn all of our rights, our rights in Maryland and this year potentially our rights in Minnesota and in Washington because there will be potentially four ballot measures coming over. One thing that's very important about what will be on the ballot in Maryland which is different than probably there will be specifically a measure to allow same-gender couples to marry. We passed the law, they're trying to repeal it so we will be before side in this issue and probably Washington State will be in the same position as will Maine. This question has only been on the ballot once before in Maine two or three years ago when we married narrowly and we did an effort to allow certain couples to marry. So we're going through new territory in Maryland but when we all sat and we watched those ads that were shown those are what you're going to see on television because probably everyone sitting in this room is part of the Washington media market oh by the way I represent Kensington, Wheaton, Silver Spring and Cherry Chase but all of you that all of you all of you are going to get to see those commercials on television and you're going to see that little girl leaving King and King who's one of my colleagues in the Louisville County but King and King on the Florida State Senate and I had read that book to my children so many times and he says, as boring as he made it sound I feel really bad but it's a cute book but we're going to hear that story because we're going to put those ads on the television here we've created an organization much like the campaign for all DC's families Marylanders for Marriage and Quality I tried to tweet it I put the hashtag up for it which is ND4ME and I hope all of you know where you are in the area will go to that website sign our pledge and join because we're going to need to put commercials on and answer those questions and it's not that it's about our children and I have two children this is what our governor did very effectively during the legislative session he made it about children of same gender couples and we went head on on that issue of not running away from the children issue but addressing it head on addressing it from the fact that we have children they are gay young people they deserve the same chance the same benefits that come with marriage so I look forward to your questions and comments and I really appreciate Wally doing this and I should say I really appreciate the work of HRC and GLTF and Quality of Maryland and all of those national partners we wouldn't be there so thank you thank you obviously to you guys so let's open it up I have so many questions but I want to open it up to the audience here and then also like I was saying on Twitter so questions questions for the panel and I think we have something in mind over here so let's start in the middle over here and I'm going to hand it to my audience so first of all thank you so much for being here for this event I felt like watching the play one of the underlying themes is that the courtroom is a great venue in which we can subject the arguments of same sex opponents their arguments to scrutiny across examination I felt like the play was silent however on the ability of these types of efforts to change personal and private opinions let's say the type of opinions held by the people that decided against testifying or someone that worked on Prop 8 the type of opinions that govern in a secret solitude atmosphere like the ballot box so I was just curious to hear the opinion of the panel as to to what extent do you guys feel that litigative efforts like the Prop 8 trial can change these type of opinions which may or may not have a basis in rational thought well I think there are two things one is that you there isn't always that debate do you change hearts and minds first or do you change the law first and the reality is that today or I should say last year they took a poll in Mississippi and the majority of residents of Mississippi still believe that the traditional marriage was wrong so if we're going to wait to change hearts and minds they may wait a long time even though the polls are changing dramatically and in the area of marriage equality the polls are usually 6 to 7 points behind what is actually there so if you're ahead by about 5 or 6 points in favor it's most probably about dead even so I think that what matters and what we didn't see and I think what Marilyn would be looking to is first of all people like the president and says I'm now in favor of gay marriage giving cover and courage to an incredible amount of people including the one in the LACP which hauls marriage now a civil right so I think what you're looking at is that changing hearts and minds slowly but nothing will end up doing it as quickly as the court will do it I think a lot of people are anticipating that the Massachusetts kids actually looking at our Supreme Court today will get there before the probate case Paul Smith who's counsel on that case the reality there is potentially that Justice Kennedy can turn around and get rid of section 3 of DOMA based on state's rights which is an easier thing potentially for him to do so I think we're moving there slowly but everyone here and everyone you know part of what the campaign did is coming out talking to people talking to everybody you know and donating a lot of money to the state of Maryland because the reality is we have to equal the kind of money that's going to be spent on the other side if Maryland will win marriage equality and I think that's every one of us the room, every friend we know and everybody out there I think I just to go back to the education obviously the probate trial was a little different than many of the marriage cases we had before because there was an actual trial and there was an examination of the facts and there were witnesses and most of these cases decided on summary judgment briefs, briefs, briefs and then boom you have a marriage case but I think two things first of all litigants are incredibly powerful spokespeople for this issue and you see them in the grocery store on the corner, these are folks who are getting up in front of putting their life sort of out there in its entirety for scrutiny and standing up and suing their government trying to advocate for themselves so I think all the folks that the litigation groups develop as plain as are tremendous spokespeople and I don't think we can underestimate the importance of those individuals and I do think despite the best efforts of the proponents of probate APR has done a tremendous job of getting every last detail of that trial out into the public I mean honestly sort of curtailing the ability to broadcast the trial actually just made people all the more interested in what actually happened in that courtroom and so I think this play and the efforts that they have done to push that out has done whatever the outcome of the litigation and I think an immeasurable amount of public education on this issue and so I wouldn't say that litigation is closed court rooms and people don't see the reality of what's happening to people and I'll just add part of what we've seen is that courts make decisions in a social political context and so changing hearts and minds over a very long period of time this is not an issue of conversations it actually goes back to the power of what many of us who are LGBT people have experienced in coming out that we tell our stories and the power of telling your story to your family, to co-workers does change hearts and minds and changes the social and political context in which legal decisions are being made and I there are multiple there's no one silver bullet if there was we'd all for our money and that we'd be done with but so do other things that happen states where we have achieved marriage equality that changes people that's fine and I think what we're seeing is and certainly the president we've seen a 20-point jump a 20-point jump in public opinion particularly among African-Americans in the last month if any of our organizations do just nothing on marriage we get a point a year we're just showing jumped 20 years in a month there's a reason that the president felt comfortable multiple reasons but a month now to come out publicly is because millions of people across the country have these conversations with their family members and their friends and they change each other's minds I'm just going to leave it contrary I don't believe that courts change minds I really do I think it is a very inside of the park even people who are well educated don't understand the difference between the district court and the federal court and the Supreme Court I just don't believe that courts have that big of a power they don't have I think legislative processes are important because you'll have hearings often they're televised and you can see your neighbors and I think in the DC marriage fight HSC did a fantastic job as well as Peter's group trying to educate people to come and tell their story during their testimony you have mothers and fathers and friends and maybe it was fantastic if I can share this one story that really brings us home I was in Vermont in March of 2009 when the issue was absolutely right and fun I was in Montpelier when the issue was before the Vermont Legislature it was just a bit of a background we were there but there was an organization I chaired called the National Legislative Association under restricted drug prices we were having a meeting there one of our members was then State Senator Ruby Shumlin who is now the governor of the National Legislative Association I put two things forward to this National Organization one, DC should be a state and hi, I'm a big fag everything was out of those terms what was interesting was how they all felt very comfortable because of my advocacy in the organization I knew for a long time to really start pushing and the subject of marriage was kind of a second tier track to what we were talking about with prescription drugs that Pete Shumlin as I said were in Vermont with people like Sharon Tree who was the major leader of the main senate one of the principal sponsors of the house and so on and so on there was one woman who was my vice chair one of my name was Cindy Rosenwald who is still a representative there and who is as lovely and as progressive a person as you will ever find over dinner New Hampshire had voted the week or two before Vermont in favor of marriage quality in their house and it was a close vote and I was talking to Cindy and I just assumed she had voted for it I was like wow that was a really close vote I mean how did we do it and she was like well I voted against it and I was like that was a vote were you talking about Willis I mean what I should tell you I did my background sitting with my friend for many years and I thought I had given him the office with respect to Cindy I had given her son a paid internship and then an internship with the attorney general of the district of Columbia raise your hands here if you thought I had given him the office and the Rosenwald and I was like Cindy what are you talking about how could you do this she's like well you know I don't even think that change will happen through television and I was like where is Cindy Rosenwald and what have you done with her you're a smart woman to do your advertising how are you going to be so crazy and she said well you know how could they believe that but then there was an even point of Cindy and the really point was when her colleagues said oh but what you don't understand is that Cindy actually saved marriage what she had voted on the on the prevailing side against marriage okay so when more of the Democrats finally arrived into the state house and conquered you know they had like 10,000 people say legislature and so what she did for that is finally right and Cindy was the deciding that Cindy moved the reconsideration and so Cindy moved the reconsideration which then put which kept it alive and the Senate of New Hampshire had hoped and prayed he would die in the house had she not moved that reconsideration there would not have been marriage in New Hampshire the end of the story is Cindy after I talked with her and I kind of had that let's profit and loss statement your girl you owe me and she became one of the principal champions she used to call me and tell me when this year the republic was right in the reverse of how they had slammed the door on the subject the point is courts don't change right you never know three is they never know how media and personal connections and all of these things come into play our answer is I because I wouldn't, this one doesn't agree with that but I get to come back to your question what struck me about the play is that this trial they refracted this social debate in such a clear way through the court proceeding I mean a lot of time they think of lawyers and legalese and things you know what actually happens in the courtroom for you know lawyers know isn't often easily understandable or readily translatable but that wasn't the case this trial was this fundamental social debate being played out in a courtroom exactly the terms I think in many ways you know that it's been reflective throughout our society in the public debate and I think many of the arguments that were very compelling in the trial are the kinds of arguments that have been compelling in the public debate arguments that organizations like HRC have refined in its own marriage equality campaign and you watch some of the ads that were done in New York it's your marriage equality listen to the messages and talk about love and what's emphasized in these messages because it has been shown to resonate is exactly what was brought out in this trial and as I was in here watching the play I had this flashback to my elementary school where I was in like Sunday school and they showed you know an heretical win this is like this kind of like the scopes trial of the century right this is the trial of the century it's this incredible contested social issue being fought out in the in the courtroom in a very compelling and ultimately we saw theatrical way dramatically there was an article in The New York Times a few weeks ago about gay on TV and how showing gay couples has impacted the public's view through television and one of the guys who's the co-creator and producer of Modern Family and many of us in this room watched he was actually a former news anchor in Madison, Wisconsin before he got into the show business and he said you know the rule of thumb newsroom was don't tell the audience that 2 million people are affected by this show one of the people affected and that's what we do on Modern Family and that's what we have to do in the campaign in Maryland they didn't put they didn't put about the child being taught in school they didn't say your children will be taught they showed a little girl with a book telling that story and we have to be able to counter that argument in Maryland and in Washington with making the same stories and it's going to take I'm sorry that we're at the public campaign over and over and over it's going to take $7 million for us to make that case in the state of Maryland Governor O'Malley spent $14 million so we're only asking for half that's what it's going to take between the Washington media and Baltimore media market and around the rest of the state in order to have our stories up on television to counter that side is there going to have these secret deep pocket people that are just going to write the checks that happen that happen in Maine last time that happen in probably California and if we don't all dig deep or give $10 or whatever in order to make this happen we're going to suffer a similar defeat in Maryland even though the polls show us up right now the polls show us up thanks to President Obama thanks to have been 30 not can't get it off that's what you gotta fly that is a huge swing and as far as I'm concerned the biggest news was now Michelle Obama who I don't think is a better spokesperson for us in Maryland than to have Michelle Obama on television or in a robocall or in a mailing or hopefully for $7 million in all of those things many people know that she and the president support it because having the first lady say I'm not worried about my children that's going to be a very powerful message that the other side won't be able to counter and then for others working nationally I'm just thinking of DC and how lucky we were in DC to have this human it's called the human rights initiative or I forget what the exact words are but states like Maryland or other friendly states out there is it worth thinking a push for that so that this can happen again either for GOPT or anybody else I assume you're talking about the provision in the DC Charter that was used to prevent this issue for being petitioned to recognize human rights so so you'll be having to know that the Maryland state constitution if it's two items from the ballot a budget measure or a measure dealing with the outcome of the measure and I have tried to talk about how same-gender weddings will have a lot of outcomes better than that but unfortunately all of my all of my friends in the legal community say there's tenuous of an argument to try to make because I really keep the HRC legal department busy coming up with different ideas to do just that so yes, are we going to be aggressive at trying to make sure that they didn't fraudulently get the signatures are we going to be aggressive to say you can't hide your contributions like you are funneling and laundering them through NOM the people who paid for the petitioned drug the Maryland Marriage Alliance guess who their biggest donor was Maryland Marriage Alliance I don't quite get how you give yourself a lot of money and that somehow passes leave and muster but we're going to be fighting but unfortunately we don't have that same provision and I don't know if that's ever going to come about in Maryland but if we had started twenty years ago with the thought yes we would have added that to the to our constituency so actually the district in the white sort of things initiatives and referendums in the district that applies only to budget items the council as part of its human rights act had a human rights ordinance that prohibits initiatives and referendums so this is the organic rule charter it was the council addition in the 1970s so that was the subject of Bishop Jackson's first of many assaults on the city by trying to essentially say the council was not to have that and so that decision was the first of many lawsuits was settled in the summer of 2009 and the decision was written by a superior judge Judith Wretchen and I had the privilege of having lunch with Judge Wretchen I had no discussions with her but I had the privilege of being at a party of six two of my best friends got married up to 45 years together actually it was only five but I was there with the men and Judge Wretchen and her partner and it's so fascinating how we had a discussion about how she went to the chief judge about how she would use her zone and she honestly constructed that she should not so you never know how these things fall into place it's interesting as we're seeing more judges come out it's very interesting in some of these cases we're coming back to this but one of the things in the trial that moves people forward there was a discussion about the imperative therapy and only two weeks ago Dr. Robert Spitzer apologized to the gay community at the same time the World Health Organization came out and said that the imperative therapy is dangerous to people and Dr. Spitzer who did the study in 1999 apologized for the new study that people like Marcus Bachman and others have used to make money on the imperative therapy so I think we're moving so quickly in a lot of different areas and the hearts and minds of people are changing but it is a process can I say Bishop Jackson has moved back to Maryland so I don't think he's like standing in the doorway it's quite a picture of it it's a signature so if you follow this issue in the city with Bishop Jackson and the voice there he's now back in Maryland to leave the similarities I think I want to go right back here there's a woman in the very back put her hand up I'll put some, I'm sorry let's see if you can back here right here yeah sorry so how long will it be before this play is available for amateur productions there is so we ended up being contacted by Broadway Impact and the play is available for for amateur productions and is being performed all around I mean performed in various degrees sometimes stage readings like you saw tonight and sometimes warmth pulled productions but it's being licensed by Broadway Impact which is really wonderful totally for free so we are it was just a wonderful opportunity for us to get this out here and have a conversation about all of these issues I can tell you on July 22 at the Annapolis Unitarian Church a community group community group called Dignity Players is going to be doing 8 so it is getting out the only downside is they won't let you use it for a fundraiser or anyone but I think the Americans whatever the group they're from the American Foundation for Equal Rents but it's going to be shown it's going to be talked about all over Maryland and I think it is available on YouTube videos I think the whole thing is going to be available yeah the really smart videos yeah so let's see let's move forward down here absolutely I was struck on the plate tonight I am also worried that I think there's a certain slothiness in mind between we say gay marriage or marriage equality because we're really just talking about marriage in city hall not in churches we should say gay civil marriage or civil marriage equality and that term is almost never used all the way from many articles to everywhere else and I think it lets the religious ride on wild when we don't emphasize our separation of church and state I know it's a lot harder to say these civil marriage or civil marriage equality but I just wondering if any of you have any thoughts because I worry about these 4951 elections or like the 2010 congressional elections and I know it's going to be coming up in this next election they'll try to link the two so I'm wondering if the word civil should be said all the time in these words there's actually been a series of conversations that I won't walk you through about this very matter and so I'm glad you raised it but I mean we over the course of many years have changed how we've talked about marriage we now say marriage sometimes we'll say marriage equality but often we're just saying marriage and Evan Wolfson who's played in the play makes this point frequently which is marriage there's nothing else in this country that is marriage except marriage and I think part of what we have done certainly when we have occasion or need to do so is to say it is a civil marriage this is something that's done by the state in this country and people can choose to do that or not with their religious institutions I think the other thing that we've done to your point of language is that we've really moved over the course of years away from what used to be a very rights-focused language part of what was on these 1300 plus rights and we started talking about these rights which as it turns out opposite sex couples didn't even realize that was an issue because they got married because they loved each other they wouldn't have families here so we've moved significantly to language around really the humanity and the human experience and I loved in fact we kind of go back and forth with this family having a very typical mundane yet meaningful conversation about whether they're going to get takeout or not and so I think the more that we can get to how people experience marriage and love and family the closer we get and the more we resonate people say well of course they should be able to get married it's marriage the bill that we passed is the civil marriage protection act so we try to put in the word civil marriage it used to have the word religious and civil marriage protection act but to try to separate the religious aspect out but in the end what passed was the civil marriage protection act as I try to say to people all the time does everyone want a gay wedding or a gay marriage that's what we all know we only have time for maybe a couple more questions and I want to definitely get to this side of the house as well so let's start over here and then if somebody is going to be back at the house over there as well so we'll start here and then we'll go back to the house over there so I know a lot of you have said on stage right now that you're openly gay and that I don't remember the rest of you coming from I'm 14 and I'm really involved in that much but I was just wondering overall how important do you think it is to just make sure that everybody knows not everybody who's involved in gay rights or just at a very basic level of civil rights isn't necessarily gay or to keep community because there was the violence in the play where he's driving up and so on as his bumper sticker it's about voting yes on her bait and she's like your kind doesn't deserve marriage and things like that and she just automatically assumes that because he supports gay marriage, he's gay and it was the play but not everybody is and I think I think that's a really strong message to send out and I was wondering kind of what was happening to send out that message well I think it's definitely an effort for all the organizations to engage the broader community and support for what we're working on I mean someone mentioned but we HRC for example has been engaging in a video campaign getting prominent folks to speak out about their support for marriage equality almost universally non-LGBT people who are nonetheless supportive of marriage and from a broad range of racial and ethnic backgrounds different professions involvement in the mainstream civil rights community so certainly there's that public education effort and then you've just seen recently the NAACP for instance just ask for resolution and support of marriage equality and not certainly without lobbying from LGBT groups not just sort of spontaneously I don't want to get on board with that but a conscientious effort by organizations local and local to engage allies of all kinds and make sure that you're absolutely right that this is communicated as a message of support across the board for marriage equality but it's not just an LGBT issue and that the support for this is not confined to just the community that's going to directly impact I think it's safe to say that some of the incredible watershed moments in this debate occurred when straight allies have come out in support of marriage equality I mean the fact that when Ted Olson and David Boyd joined forces that was an unbelievable man by dog moment in this debate and I think you've numbered again a change over and over and over because Ted Olson was identified as this Republican lawyer who already was supposed to be born here he is arguing for this debate case and obviously when President Obama announced this support and you know you look at the HRC campaign I mean the most compelling videos are you know when you have like Sean Aver you know professional hockey player professional basketball player you know people you wouldn't expect and when they stand up and say you know they support our community I mean that has an incredibly powerful you know you will see videos just like in New York you will see videos from a range of people from the star defensive lineman from the Baltimore Ravens did a video Monique the actress did a video Governor O'Malley did a video the head of the Maryland AFL CIO is an African American man has a new video up with his openly gay son talking about all of his children and his love for all of his children it's a very powerful video but we're trying to do the same thing and if any of you are really close with Cal Ripken I can kill you I think that would be really helpful so those things do move individuals and we're doing that in Maryland and if you if you went to the website and then shared those videos a lot of people saw them in New York but to share those same videos because HRC has been very generous in helping us do that same sort of campaign but we've got to get the word out throughout the region and throughout the country and if you're on Facebook someone was moving videos of the ones of the children of gay couples who were speaking out the young men just wrote the book Zekwals and others I mean you can't help if you moved when you hear that and one of the most interesting things is the quality of saying it's terrible for the children where the recognition is this is changing generationally and when enough older people die off people are going to look back and say oh my god what was all this about and it's generational and you're not protecting children from this you're educating children and I think if we figure out how to do that and how to bring that out there we have to be very careful to make sure that straight individuals and diversity of individuals testified in the council went out and talked to people but I think we're seeing that happen and I think it's crucial that we bring more and more young people out in Maryland to use all the universities that are there bring those young people out and talk to people that's going to make a difference great so let's take Thank you. I think my question has been answered in part but maybe there's more to say I was really struck by the 20-point love and African-American support I'm an ally I'm an African-American and that just really makes me feel great I hope that that will continue and I was wondering if you've noticed other trends or shifts along other demographic lines and how if and how that affects your advocacy work some of what we have talked about but I mean certainly and I think that 20% I haven't kind of looked underneath it to see what all the factors are I think that people of a variety of races and ethnicities after the president and after NWCP came out in support were in some ways kind of given permission to be public about something they already believed and another said oh well he's finally back so I think we need to learn more about that younger demographic shift is my position though that we should not wait and just wait for what some call the attrition strategy because we don't need to wait that long and we shouldn't this should not be our children's fight and I do think there are other Latino women in some circumstances have been areas of work higher than other demographics so we're seeing it in different areas when we looked back at Prop 8 as a matter of fact we you know unfortunately immediately there was a lot of blame going on about who lost the election and it was horrible but came out immediately based on no data whatsoever about African American voters what that was really about Prop 8 was a high religiosity across a variety of voters and I've had to work to actually dispel some of the myths that got perpetuating through Prop 8 and some of the other campaigns that happened that year so I think we're going to continue to see this it'll be interesting as we head into the fall and we've got the like before ballot measures that are very different from each other in some ways we've got Maryland and Washington likely defending marriage that already exists we've got Maine historically proactively putting the ballot measure forward and then defending fighting off an attack on Minnesota I think we're going to learn a lot about people of faith we are running actually and have done a lot of the groundwork in Maryland around people of faith progressive people of faith and in Minnesota where we are doing a very intentional grassroots organizing campaign for progressive people of faith that is something that we have not been able to do in many of the campaigns before and we're going to learn a lot about it and how that shifts Can I say in Maryland the subgroups that African American numbers from before the president's announcement and after the president's announcement we just happen to have a poll hit two days after the president made his announcement and it was a 20 point swing in the African American community down 39 56 to being up 56 39 and that moved to the overall numbers in Maryland from 52 to 57 in support so it's a huge shift if you just look at the vote in North Carolina the five largest cities in North Carolina that are majority African American all voted against the constitutional amendments in North Carolina what you were saying is absolutely the case it's a urban rural divide and we're fortunate in Maryland you all know Maryland it is a highly urban state about 80% more of the population live in the two metro areas so it's a very different vote than you've had in many other states because of the highly concentrated nature of national politics and I would like to say that you did a sophisticated area of the state of Maryland I like Virginia I think it's important to approach these like and so one of the things we were able to do in the district in part with HXC support was to actually pull and advance so we would know where we're still within various populations so religiosity is a big deal the more like we are to be Baptist the more like we are to be against the more like we are the more observant you are as a Baptist the more like we are to be against and then education so it's religiosity, it's religion and it's education so for instance in our bully we found that college educated were above African Americans were in supportive marriage the quality of those who were not were not were below Caucasians in the district you know Peter's group did a fantastic job of getting the religious community out in front of us so we actually had about 200 members of faith so we had more members of faith and religiously we were testifying supportive marriage quality than against but here's why I think it's so important depending on you know this is why I answered your question why is it important to have non-LGBTQ members sometimes you know we have to be there it was discussion to be used as lines to be used in the community of times to be around the table in the wrong opinion so it was it was critically important to me when I was traveling with the Archdiocese that I knew the numbers as a related Catholics I knew that Catholics were the most pro-quality Christian denomination in the district and that non-observing Catholics were off the charts in favor of marriage quality so when the chance the Archdiocese came and tried to do a soprano moment on me and basically say you know we've been rather measured you have not seen us take some of the stands that for instance the Baptist ministers have taken and I responded I said I'm assuming you've seen the same polling I have and if you do it you'll have riots then you'll be accused so don't threaten me you have to know where you stand and you have to when you know there are areas and groups that you are in trouble with you have to find the people who can speak to that crowd if you can give Michelle a comment I can do a piece apparently the election is over I don't know if possibly not but you can hold that legit you guys will find and you're going to see the Catholic Church in fact is going to be doing they're a national restore the faith restore our freedom and a national event that starts in Baltimore with a sermon in Baltimore and ends with a sermon in Washington to feature the Archbishop of Baltimore and the Archbishop of Washington talking about how contraception and marriage and all these things are an attack on the Catholic faith and so they're going to put a lot of effort in the Maryland even though the polling numbers show just like in the district Catholics are very strongly of marriage equality so there's a great quote from someone from a minister recently in Maryland who said the clergy just like they often talk about the stock market is a lagging indicator of the economy clergy or a lagging indicator of what's happening in the communities and I think you see in a lot of places this is changing and the clergy are starting to understand that the clock is in a very different position last question Brian Dunn here Thanks I want to thank you all for giving us your wisdom and your thoughts and your experience and great props to William for putting on this reading now I want to address as quickly as I can 50,000 thoughts running through my head but it strikes me that a number of you on the panel were saying that it's very important for people to hear the personal which is what this stage reading gave us and what the play itself if it were fully staged it would certainly do and I'm thinking how important it was in the past for ages in America to change people's ideas about AIDS and about people who are living as closeted gays and difficulty coming out or not coming out and then of course Laramie again personalizing the situation so it's not just a news item or legalism and I think the fact that this play when it was announced by William sold out within about 3-4 hours I was too late and I got in only by the grace of the box office which gave me a ticket that somebody else couldn't use and I wanted to ask the senator Mattalino will this be produced in Maryland this play I follow all the discussion about prop 8 but this play gave me information that I was not aware of and in particular the testimony of people who were living the life and who were able to speak with an authority that struck to the heart when legal arguments alone couldn't carry that force so I challenge everybody on the stage get this play out I challenge William to consider doing a fully staged version of this maybe next year or the year after because even if prop 8 is decided in the way we all want it to be there will be other fights going on in all the states and the only way that the opposition is able to mount their effective stories to try to suppress the knowledge of what is going on to suppress the personal stories so I ask you specifically will this be done in Maryland and if not I would urge you to consider whatever you could to help that happen July 22nd, there can be players at the Annapolis Unitarian this will be put on I'd be great if John would reach out to the ground house or center stage or one of the multiple Baltimore to do it Minnesota, there's a very interesting group in Minnesota called Minnesota Artists for Equality which has come together to fight the Constitutional Amendment and people right now are trying to create Maryland Artists for Equality because this is all about artists donating not just their name but their time, their talent to help get the message out recognizing that there are so many people out there who can help in producing videos to put out who can help with productions who can help with art and try to make it happen so I think those things are to happen across the state and unlike some others you can share all the stories we can all go home tonight and look up that ending, that closing argument from Ted Olson and put that clip on your Facebook page or tweet it and let people know that it's out there and experience that culminating moment and that is wonderful but I'll say nothing beats the shared experience of being in Equality, hearing the people and thanks to Woolly I just want to thank several people really quickly before we get out of here. Again, I just want to thank Gibson Diamond and Pressure for supporting tonight and making tonight possible. Broadly impact of course our director Alan Hall over at Shakespeare did such a wonderful job with the reading itself and a wonderful cast of 22 plus amazing actors from all over DC who gave us their time today to put this on and of course all of our panelists for everything that they have contributed tonight in sort of educating us so thank you all and thank you everybody who helped make tonight possible and thank you for joining us John, do you mind if I take a moment to plug the lonely planets? Sure Thanks so much I just wanted to take an opportunity to talk to this hyper-targeted audience of the supporters because we are doing a show called Lonely Planets with two Woolly Company members myself and Michael Rosado and directed by John Brieke who is another Woolly Company member so this is also an appropriate audience for that reason and it's a play that's set in the backdrop of the 1980s age crisis and it's a beautiful story about friendship really but many of the themes from tonight's show and from tonight's discussion are echoed in the play in the razor-sharp and poignant dialogue of Stephen Dietz and I would love to encourage everyone to come check us out we've had a hard time getting people out to metro stage in Alexandria but like we were talking about I know David was mentioning the power of the theater to sort of change minds and just continue the conversation and we've had like David's six people in the house so anybody you could tell about the show or if you could come yourself we would really love to have you again it's called Lonely Planets and it's at metro stage you can just visit metrostage.org for more info and I can say I saw it and I'm not a plant and that man was great and Michael was great and it's an extraordinary play and it's a whole lot of fun


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celebrate the commissioning of this 100-bed mother-and-child hospital, as well as the Skills Acquisition Center built by the Sustainable Development Goals Office here in Iqpero-Remo-Ogu State. Everyone who is present here today may recall that President Muhammad Ibu Hari joined other world leaders during the 70th session of the United Nations General Assembly, which is called UNDA, in September 2015 to adopt the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. The agenda envisions a present and a future that is economically, sustainably, socially inclusive and environmentally resilient. The United Nations Sustainable Development Goals are therefore especially transformational, and the importance of investing in the health and well-being of women and children in particular cannot be overstated. These SDGs have therefore been carefully integrated into our medium and long-term national and sub-national development policies and plans. Besides the projects we are commissioning today under the SDGs, soon we would also be commissioning another set of ongoing projects around here, including the following. The construction of a 250-bed mother-and-child hospital in Iqena, which is already practically completed. The construction of a major school in the Iqena, which is the Iqena Community High School premises with 24 classrooms, and this has also been completed. There's also a mini stadium at the Iqena Community High School, nearing completion. And the completion and construction of 36 classrooms at the Mayflower School in Iqena. There's another Skills Acquisition Centre at the Sambi High School at Inishon, which is also been completed. So today's event symbolizes the tremendous progress that has been made in achieving the SDGs and in that process promoting the health and welfare of all our people. This hospital is a testament to our commitment to the health care of women and children and to ensuring that we secure the future of Ogun State. The facilities, as we have heard already, from both the Spencer's Assistant to the President as well as the Governor, will not only provide primary health care to treat preventable diseases, but it will also ensure that women have access to pre- and post-natal care, which as you know are absolutely vital to the well-being of our women and, of course, the children that they'll give birth to. This 100-bed mother-and-child centre, to be commissioned shortly, is equipped, as you've heard also, with state-of-the-art facilities. These include, amongst others, two operating theatres, recovery rooms, private and general wards, scanning rooms, consultation rooms and laboratories. The other facilities, and these include an ultra-scanned machine, a vacuum extractor delivery set, an emergency cart with full complements. The mother-and-child centre itself is directly linked to the achievement of SDG 3, on quality health and well-being for all, as well as other cross-cutting SDGs. The fact that the project was delivered so promptly underscores for all of us the government's recognition of the importance of healthcare facilities. This hospital is indeed an investment in the future. It testament to the women and children, all of our state, indeed all families of Oregon State, that their well-being is our number one priority. And I'm confident that the government and people of Oregon State will make judicious use of this facility. In the last few years, the federal government has also taken several steps to improve the quality of life of our citizens, who have increased access to education, promoted sustainable agriculture, and improved infrastructure. Objective has always been to provide opportunities for young people to have well-paying jobs. No young person should go through the frustration, the needless frustration of joblessness. This is why we have ensured that we provide in collaboration with states and local governments places for the development of human capital. These include technology hubs, skilled acquisition centers, and facilities, especially for digital education and training. The one that we'll commission today is one of many. The skilled acquisition center, and it's just a few meters away from here, we'll be walking over there to commission this. It is fully equipped already with sewing machines, with computers, with building trades and welding fabrication equipment, as well as photography and vulcanizing equipment. And the 24 classrooms in two locations are fully furnished with modern learning and teaching facilities. Among others, the center will provide vocational training in such areas as cabin trip, tailoring, photography, welding, and other small-scale skills, which are vital to creating stronger and more sustainable livelihood opportunities. As of course, all of what we have said are a vital delivery tool for President Mohammed Buhari's commitment to lifting 100 million people out of poverty in 10 years. I'm confident that the skilled acquisition center will be a great success, and I certainly look forward to seeing its impact on the lives of our people, putting them on the path to success, and also helping our state as a whole to become more prosperous. I'm better able to compete in today's global economy. I wish to thank, most sincerely, the hard-working, committed and dynamic governor of open state, His Excellency, Prince Dr. Dacoab Yodoo MFR, for creating the enabling environment and working actively with the SDG office to ensure the actualization of this project. I'd also like to express my sincere gratitude to Her Excellency Princess Aditya Yoke Orelukwia Defolire, former deputy governor of Lagos State, and now senior special assistant to the President on Sustainable Development Goals, for her revolutionary, focused and result-oriented approach to delivery of government's human capital projects. She has done very well indeed, and I want to congratulate her for the excellent work she's done, not just in our state, not just in Oakland State, but across Nigeria. Finally, I want to congratulate our citizens for their dedication and hard work towards building a better future for all. It's my hope that this hospital and the skilled development center will serve as models for other states to replicate, and that the establishment will contribute positively to the health and well-being and livelihood of all REMO and open state citizens and Nigeria in general. It is therefore my singular honor and pleasure to commission before we cut the tape the Hundred Bed, Mother and Child Hospital and the Skills Acquisition Center to the glory of God and for the benefit of all Nigerians. I thank you all for joining us here today. Thank you for listening.


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All right, Cyber Traders, welcome on back here this Tuesday. Post-Trader Stock Edition, as it typically is every Tuesday. Here for our afternoon meeting, of course, this Tuesday, March 15, at least the I to March. Great to see John, Michael, Norman, Chuck, Yehuda, all of us live inside the trading room. And if you're rejoining us as always on social media, Facebook, Library, YouTube, welcome on back as well. So folks, we have a lot to talk about, as always. But this time here to begin, the hour stock to begin, H-O-U-R, making a really strong push across this afternoon, at least to begin. So for right now, how can we not just at least put this on the watch list? Now, in this case, for as much as the stock ran up and up and up and up, we've seen these crazy movers recently. But they're not always these crazy movers to where they just keep going. You got to expect false breakouts for at least resistance to hold the first attempt, just like we talk about each and every week inside the Traders Talk workshop. For all of our students like Ron or Will or Alex Patrick, Chuck, all of us otherwise. If you missed part of Traders Talk, missed it entirely, had other obligations, no sweat that's recorded and will be put on the student dashboard student portal by the end of the afternoon. But for right now, our, hey, looks, for as much as it went up and up and up just now, it held underneath critical resistance off of five and making a bit of a drop here. So we'll put this on our watch list for right now. I would also say as I'm kind of just skimming the daily chart, I don't know about you folks, if you could see that, but that is a slick looking support that got broken through. That was back from the end of January. Support turns into resistance. And we talked about that briefly in Traders Talk as well. So, you know, it just ended up topping off right there. Is that the end of the run? Hope not. But for right now, we'll at least, you know, put this on our watch list to keep it on our list. I am in one trade right now. I was hoping that it would fill me. I got filled and I set my stop right away. So actually, let me jump to that next. And for that, maybe I'll ask our students that were a part of Traders Talk earlier today, earlier this morning, if you were to take a stab in the dark, really quick. What stock am I in right now? And I don't know if it's gonna keep pushing up. I don't know if it's gonna keep going here. I might have some egg in my face here if it stops me out. But what stock am I in? We talked about it during Traders Talk earlier today. That's my hint. AMC, Johannes and Mark commenting after. That's right. Market right now has been expectedly flat. It's been slow in a tight range, but I noticed just a moment ago prior to us beginning this meeting here, Spide pulled back a bit, but it started to sling back up a tiny amount. And perhaps that's to where we could begin to see a potential slingshot up higher into the close. So that's just the very shoot from the hip thought. And with that, I love my AMC and I saw it kind of teeter-tottering around the VWAP line. And with that, I jumped in long right from the VWAP roughly off of 1377, 78. Got my stock set right underneath me at least. So, I don't know. I just wanted to comment on that for all of us live inside Cyber Group. We'll come back to this at the end. Maybe I have some egg in my face and it stops me out with a loss. Maybe if the markets keep pushing up, probably with the markets should they keep pushing up. AMC will get the rub and perhaps head up towards 14. So for right now, folks, what we'll do otherwise is just go right through our list, percent gainers and losers lists. We'll see what we have to work with here heading into the close. IXHL, geez. Oh my goodness. I mean, I didn't even see this stock. I know Fausto was calling it out earlier today. I was in a couple of trades myself calling out other stocks. I knew this was out of my price range. I didn't even care to look for the stock. I didn't even look at the chart until honest to God right now, hand up. This is just disgusting. I can't even count how many times the stock got halted. Probably about 20 times here, looking at all the gaps on the one minute chart. That's ugly. What I also didn't realize, and not that it really matters here, but we're not really gonna trade it, but the HYMC has warrants. I didn't realize that. I thought this was the equity. I was gonna jump to it here pretty quickly. HYMC I think is on the percent gainers list. I guess now at this point, not as up as much. But yeah, the warrants were up big here today. We'll check in on HYMC in a bit. Spy starting to eke back up, folks. My AMC trades grinding back up a bit up to 84, 83 there. S-O-N-M, Sun-M. Normally at cheap below a dollar, we wouldn't look to follow as much, but not only did this make a strong move this morning, but just make a strong move this afternoon, breaking above a dollar. And with that, perhaps a lot more to come after this. Hopefully, that's all we could do, hope. But that's not all we could do. Let me just say that. We do have some support we could locate roughly off of 99 cents, about a 318,000 share order on the bid. You would hope to see a dollar hold in particular as well, but right where it's at right now needs to hold and over time, perhaps into the next 30 minutes as we turn into three o'clock. Perhaps at that point, it'll begin to make a stronger bouncer push back up. But yeah, S-O-N-M, I don't mind putting on our list here for right now. Put it on the afternoon list. Rev B, I don't know. Nice move from earlier today. It would have been nice to see if it was still kind of holding strong to its highs, but clearly did not. And with that, we move on. RLX, this is looking pretty good. Wow, nice squeeze up here for this cheapy. I know it was breaking all time lows heading into the end of last week. We were following it. More is a short for right now, perhaps as a short squeeze, a potential squeeze back up from support. So yeah, RLX we'll put back on our list here. Hour we talked about already. The AMC trade at 80 now, still in the trade. We'll see where it ends up here by the end. KAVL, flat, we're gonna pass on this. This was, was this the one from earlier? No, it was the HYMC that from earlier that was trading like a zillion shares pre-market. It was like 60 million shares traded pre-market. And for a stock like that, I knew it was gonna be more exhausted. On a stock like this though, the KAVL, we've done really well on the stock back from February, the beginning to middle of February, ended up pulling back in its own right, but here today, little pop, hopeful to see it move up higher, but ended up falling off right around that famed 1030 reversal time. Little bit before that perhaps you could say there, ended up topping off even before 10, but the lower high after, and then from there the lower low. All right, let's see as we skimmed through this list now otherwise, markets still kind of like chopping up, up and down in this range. KC, kind of flat here as well in the meantime. I guess you could say kind of close to its highs. If it ends up making a pop by the end of the meeting, I would definitely be more keen to put it on our list. Right now, it's not really proving itself out to be a great move just yet. EDU, slow poke. It's like watching the grass grow, watching the paint dry there. So you wanna follow something that at least has some direction to it. The MMAT, a little slow, but at least it has some direction to it. So this one's breaking a little bit higher here, kind of like the RLX, both of the, I think MMAT, we have a history with here, in Cyber Group. We've done really well in this stock back over last year, but it was under a different name for a large portion of that time, and I forgot that name. Stopped my head. They changed their ticker to MetaMaterials, MMAT, and I think that was after the big run up and lower high here, but for right now, in the intraday chart, just getting back to this move, making a pretty strong run for right now, it's pretty filled in liquid order books. So I'll honestly have to check out level four at the end of this meeting, just as I turn back over to the trading room, and see what's out there heading into the afternoon there for that trade. So MMAT will put on our list, the AMC trade dipping a little bit. Let's see where it ends up though. My stop set, I think at 71, 72. Holy trade, not much happening there, and the CLSD trade, it looked like something was happening just earlier, but then it kind of pulled back down a bit. So not really too high on that. So let's see what else we got though in the meantime. Data, I've seen this pop up on the gainers list kind of recently. Nice move up from earlier today, but flat for right now. Robbie Cano on the gainers list again, TME trade, I know Faust was talking about this one earlier today. Nice move from three up towards just about 380, 375, you can say there, but again, flat for the afternoon. That's to be expected though, folks. We got the Fed meeting concluding tomorrow afternoon.  Probably be on right at 2.30 talking. So we'll see how the markets kind of cooperate at that time, but yeah, it should be kind of slow heading into this close, folks. I already liked the list that we have between the hour trade, MMAT, RLX, you know, the latter two are really more level one stocks. All right, let's hop on over to the losers list for right now. We'll see what else is on this side of the list. At least the Coupe trade, I know Faust, it was calling out, you know, it was a dead cat bounce at first.  Pulling back though for right now, just too expensive and all of that stuff. You know, order book more so just pretty thin. That's more of the talking point. You know, if AMD was coming off hot news or whatever it was, and honestly, AMD ain't looking too bad, but nonetheless, AMD has a pretty liquid order book for $108. You know, that's where I focus more on the order book, if anything, right? That Coupe trade, that order book is paper thin. So that's more the reason why I'm not too interested in following this trade. DTIL dropping off, this one is shortable. It's only trading about 3,700 shares a minute right now. So that's pretty light, although it has a pretty liquid book or filled or, you know, tight spread at a minimum. All right, there's not much else I see on the losers side.  And I'll tell you for right now, it kind of seems as if I am beginning to get that, you know, eek back up on the spy, the push back up I was hoping for, AMC back up to 82 for right now. So didn't get stopped out. We're hanging in there. We're up a little bit right now, up a few pennies. All right, for anyone on YouTube or Facebook Live, if there's any other stocks up down left, right more than 5% that you would want me to check out or call out here pretty quickly, just let me know here in the chat board.  Will says the hour trades reopened. I, you know, it was commented on earlier, it got halted on the way down was it? Let's see. Yeah, it did get halted and it was like shortly after we started the meeting.  And again, that's not good. That's not good. So, you know, it's pretty rare to see a stock that gets halted down after a run up, make another run up. So I'll keep this on our list in hopes, you know, I'm hopeful, but not looking as likely now. I'd anticipate at least, you know, a low or low here from this point and then we'll kind of see, you know, how it reacts. But John's calling out the CLSD trade. It's slow. Ain't worth the time right now. If it was, if it didn't dump off so quickly after it made that new high, I'd be more interested. That means that would mean it would be showing more strength to its direction, but this ain't looking too good. Oh, Chuck, there we go. And some brownie points to Chuck there on the chat board. So MMAT formally TRCH, that is right. The second I saw that from your post, that clicked in my head. Torch became MMA to, I think it was torchlight, and then ended up turning into meta materials. All right, nonetheless, we are good to go though, folks. I think that just about wraps it up. I got nothing else here across all chats here heading into the afternoon. And that's all right.  Market hopefully will make a nice bounce up a little bit higher, but that doesn't mean it's gonna be like a really volatile afternoon. So, hey, if you've realized that's why I've been more keen to follow like an AMC. That's why I've been more keen to follow a NEO. NEO for now like a $13, $14, $15 stocker. So, as a pretty damn high ATR on the daily chart. So, compare that to other trades. That's where you can get more bang for your buck. All right, so otherwise I like the list. It's pretty short, pretty simple to work with. I'll post and tweet the picks coming up in just a moment for all of us across all streams across the trading room right now. And I'll be back on the mic heading into the afternoon and heading into 3.30 Eastern time folks. I'll talk to you all soon. Come a cyber group member today. 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What's up guys today we're gonna be opening up an awesome package from orca shop underscore official They sent us you can probably get some orcas and also some packs to open so it's gonna be pretty fun But first of all they give away. I'll be giving away these three cards Yes, the legendary monolith up draft and cloudy and I had a typhoon all from first edition gladiators assault All you have to do is like this video be subscribed Let me know what your favorite orca from this video is and let's go through them Let's see what's in here first of all they sent Some epic card sleeves they have exodia on them. These are really really cool 60 card sleeves they are apparently selling these at their shop. So you can check them out online I will have the link to their Instagram and their shop or maybe just their Instagram I think their shops link to their Instagram. I don't know. I'll figure it out Something will be linked in the description. So check that out for some awesome sleeves like that secondly, they sent us a Genesis impact booster box So we're gonna be opening this up as we go through the orcas and stuff like that so we can like switch it up and stuff It's gonna be fun. First. We're gonna cut into this booster box. Oh, so this is the European You can tell look how big these flaps are. So here's their orcas shop. They have quantity discounts They also have a ruxen 34 discount 34% off for any card on the store All you got to do is use code ruxen 34 you can get that awesome discount. So 34% it's pretty big It's like a third of the orders. That's really awesome. Make sure you guys go ahead and use that Okay, let's open a couple of these packs and then we will hop into the actual custom cards There's just the reason we are here pretty much, but also we are here to pull something cool. Hopefully a dry tron Dry tron Nova am I saying that right dry tron? I just feel like I'm paranoid that I'm gonna say wrong I think dry tron is right. Let's see what we can do here. There's a damage juggler. Remember that guy There's a dry tron definitely saying you're right dry tron All right next after this pack, we're gonna open up one of the cards We're gonna pull out one and see what we got at the front. I think I already saw the front one, which is pretty cool Okay, we got that slimy man that guy looks like flubber you guys haven't seen flubber go ahead and watch it Because it's a classic All right So the first card by the way orcas are they're fake cards, but they're like fan made or made by Like a company or something, but they're not intended to be real They're just kind of for fun and for like nostalgic purposes and stuff So first we have the original the anime dark magician. That is foil. Okay, that is cool. I didn't realize it was foil What's I'm gonna sleeve this I feel like this deserves a sleeve look at that Check that out Remember code rocks and 34 if you guys want a 34% discount. All right, and if you're interested one I think they're a couple bucks. I'm not sure a few dollars You guys off to check out the website in the description, but I looked I looked earlier But there was like a lot of different versions, so we might be seeing some different stuff I don't know if it's gonna change up on me or not, but oh man. I already saw the next one So I'm gonna go ahead and pull it out You guys are gonna be excited about this one. Look at this that looks absolutely incredible holo blue eyes wide dragon from the anime That is super cool. One of the four blue eyes wide dragons right here It's not one of it's not the ripped one either, so it must be one of kybos I don't know why Kybe gave up blue eyes. He must have you know got it stolen from him or something But there we go. Those are pretty cool. Okay. They're really cool. Let's be honest. Those look really good I'm hyped up about those what there's still a lot more left So I'm really excited.  I think I pulled this one already in collector. We're all right So our first ultra rare from the box. That's nice See what we can pull this time I'm really excited to see the rest of those cards. That's pretty exciting. They're really cool we go Crowley last time I said Crowley and I was talking about Crowler and I was thinking that that was the same name as Crowler I don't know what I was thinking. I was editing the video like you kidding me. That's not Crowler So that was kind of funny There's another flubber. That's pretty cool Okay, let's go to the next one. I think I'm supposed to go from the bottom So I'm gonna not do the the back one see what this is Oh, Caribo Caribo That is really cool. Maybe hopefully the blue eyes wasn't the well. No would have been dark magician in the finale Caribo that is really cool. I was like Caribo when I was younger I don't know something about those pie cut out of his eyeball. I don't know it looks how I always just remember that I was like that's interesting All right, let's go to the next one. So here we have this stack right here Let's see what we can get. You see that back one. That's like a real back almost Obelisk the Tormenter That is a these look incredible These looks like super good. Oh, check that sintering out though That's sintering. That's like an OC. We got a nice OC obelisk That would get a qualifier at this point.  That is a beautiful card Okay, I'm hyped up. Let's do another pack This is like way more exciting than I thought it was gonna be They're like, yeah some some work of cards. I was like, okay, I'll check them out and then Now but now I'm like, okay. These are awesome. These are really cool Can you imagine if the cards actually look like that? Like like no text just almost all art that'd be kind of cool if they had like full arts in Yu-Gi-Oh Let me know what you guys think would think about that we kind of Pokemon like but maybe not the same way but like Take a dash to all the text box, you know I don't know. I don't know. I think it could be cool. Live twin Lilla All right, let's do another one Oh, yeah, I think we can guess what the next two are so we have Sly for the sky dragon. That looks absolutely amazing So let's go on to the next one and then we can put them all together. I think we know what this one's gonna be Or do okay, so after this these are all the anime backs after this it's new stuff What is this? Wait, what? Valkyrian? um Is there is there a raw? That's not what I expected Valkyrian the magna warrior So we got two god cards. No wing dragon of raw. That is interesting. So maybe it'll come later But so far pretty amazing though. He's a spect that blue eyes looks incredible Okay I was not expecting that that was a twist. It probably doesn't on purpose. Just uh just to mess with us Here we go. Let's see if we can get live twin Kiskel We have one ultra. Hopefully we'll get a collector rare. Probably not. I mean They're only it's like one in three boxes. I think so pretty unlikely It would be pretty hype All right, one more and then we are going back to the epic cards the epic custom orca cards All right, that's cool. Next we have tune dark magician. Oh, that is super cool That's really awesome tune dark magician. I love this one. This one looks really good Shiny hand that looks kind of cool actually. I like that That is pretty nice All right, let's see what we got next Oh That looks awesome Oh, that looks so good tune blue eyes. He looks absolutely insane, which is just I mean, it's perfect. That's what the tunes are I love that. That looks really really good That looks absolutely amazing. All right, let's go to the next pack. Those are some incredible. Those two monsters are great I think those are really really good All right, let's see if we can get a nice ultra Uh, the majesty of flames. Is this a good one? I think it's like maybe like five bucks. I'm just guessing totally I think it is though. So not horrible. I've seen worse like alistar the invoker. That one is not very very pricey Okay, nightmare phoenix. Here we go Dryton the quadrantus All right, how many packs we got left? Okay, we got a few more We've got a few more packs. See See we can pull Cyber emergency the first one. That's a good one Decent value almost a dollar. I think that's good next card Can we get what can we get? Oh another tune. Oh my that might be the best one yet Look at this card They're all coming out of the of tune world, which is super good. That's super good. I love that All come out of tune world. That is amazing. Let's go to the next one three tunes in a row Is this gonna be another tune? We move it on to something else Legendary tune exodia. This is the sleeves. So this the tune exodia sleeves. Let me grab these We have exodia tune exodia and tune exodia sleeves. That's pretty cool. I really like that That looks really good That is super good A legendary tune exodia All right, one more. Let's let's go to another pack Let's pull a collector rare. We still have hope we can still do this Beat caught from the underworld. That would be nice. Uh, that would be a nice clutch is rare Another pack of genesis impact impact By the way, I gave away a a couple of booster boxes yesterday. I think at this point on Twitter. So if you're not following me there, make sure you follow me at ruxen34 might have a chance to win some stuff I gave away five five packs and two booster boxes So if you guys want a chance to do that, you know, maybe we'll do that again You guys got to be following me be confident of world again Back to the work is we have an elemental hero brave neos not regular neos brave neos. I think this looks really good Very purpley. I like it. The purple tint is really nice Kind of hard to show these they're super shiny. Maybe I should not keep them in the sleeve because it's a little bit extra shine all right Then we have an ash blossom.  That's what that looks like The ghost rare ash blossom. That's what that looks like Nice I like that All right, a few more packs a few more orcas till this video's over. This was this has been fun So make sure you guys check out that link in the description. You guys want any of these cards cyber emergency. It's a second pull. That's not bad A nice $1 super rare All right, next one secret password. All right, we still got hope. We've still got one more ultra We're actually right about this last time last time. I thought I had one more but we didn't okay next orca Ooh mech knight crusadia avor max. That's a new card, but I actually do know that one Because I had a couple to sell at one point Those look real that looks really really good. I like that I think I went backwards the thing I started with the big stuff by accident. Maybe we'll maybe I didn't we'll find out Okay, next one Apollosa bow of the goddess. I always say bow even though it's bow. I don't know why I say bow, but I just do That's a good one. That looks really good Okay, we got a couple more cards left. We've got four more packs. Okay. Let's Open up the last four packs and then we'll just show the last two cards Yeah, I'm confused by how they package these because it seems like I'm supposed to do The blue eyes last but it was on the front for the uh Dark magician. So that's kind of weird All right, we got glass. Okay, two more packs. Whoo. It's coming down. Give us something good Give us a collector rare. Let's do this. I haven't pulled one in a while on a video Triton. Okay, this is this is for all the marbles right here. We have not pulled Collector rare or a third ultra rare. So it's gonna be one of the two right here. I hope Here we go. Come on The like button for luck guys Oh Evil twin lila Ultra rare not the collector rare. That's okay We got an ultra rare. That's pretty nice So I'd say a pretty decent box. Let's see what let's see what we got real quick We got our three ultras and two cyber emergencies. So not terrible nothing too crazy this time, but not bad And we have two more cards We have Nibiru. Oh that looks sweet the primal being What will the last card be will it be something epic? Hopefully so final card Lightning storm. Oh, look at that That looks absolutely amazing That looks super good Wow All right, so that is really cool. Those are some really good really awesome cards So if you guys are into these make sure you check out the link down below They have even more cards than were shown here So make sure you guys check out that link and I appreciate them sending me that booster box So we can get some epic pulls and I hope you guys enjoyed the video If you did She you guys like the video and subscribe for more epic content coming up Potentially an old school opening coming up soon and a really big one coming up really soon So make sure you subscribe for that and that's it for today. I'll see you guys later Peace Boom