Hey everyone, shaper 1000 here also have monkey one thousand today. We're gonna talk about UPS and USPS, right? Yes We're gonna do a live stream tonight, but monkey wasn't feeling well sugar went real low So I thought you know to be safe. We just stay in here And they didn't know what I was gonna do a video on then when I told her about this She was like, well, there's your video. She's very upset Well, yeah, okay, so anyway We're gonna talk about this and we'll show some proof of what these What some people might say accusation or claims are and I'll show you Improved so stick around guys okay, so We sent out some packages But the three I got all this proof from is the three that I sent out for We had to give away and I ended up giving away three things one was my chef's hat one was my personal Swiss Army knife and One was the one that Dennis one was the cell phone holder Okay, now we sent these all three out through UPS. She did it. Yeah, I got the receipts here Now I'm not gonna show you any private information, but I can tell you what it cost Okay, one cost eight dollars thirteen cents One cost at six dollars and thirty five cents and one cost to seven dollars and forty cents Now this she sent some other things out, but this is just what it cost You know for those three items No problem. They're giveaways. I don't mind that Okay, and here's proof and I don't want to show you any personal information But I can show you right here the UPS store. There's their logo Right there it says the UPS store All right, and also on the back of these receipts every one of them Has their little ghost logo there? Okay, okay So Proof we shipped them. It's got the times on here, too, right? So it tells how much they weighed and The date we sent them out Friday November 3rd, so I can't show you anything else because Personal private information on here. I don't want to dox anybody But it says shipped through the UPS store Number five fifty three thirteen in Derness, Florida And it has their phone number here Okay, now The problem I have with that is There's a reason why we paid them to ship them because I don't like the US mail I don't like FedEx so I'm pretty much down to them So here's what happened she paid that and the same day I don't know. Is there a time on here somewhere? Should be should be up in the top maybe But um, it's it has the weight and so tracking numbers Description the shipping charge. I don't see a time. It just has the date. Yeah Okay, but anyway, so she shipped these out Friday, right? So Yeah, we're thinking everything's cool and When we get the tracking numbers always track When when I'm receiving packages and also when I'm sending packages So I know the person I'm sending it to is going to get it And also we've had problems before with the United States Postal Service Telling her You know making her put a return address on things that I'm sending out that people bought through eBay Because I saw some stuff on eBay every now and again And at one time I said look we don't we I don't want my Returned right you have to you have to put it on there or we can't send it You don't have to put a return address on on a because he said anything I don't care if it's a ladder postcard I said wait a minute postcard don't have return address Well, it doesn't matter So fine. I let him have that one.  And it said right on it, you know like this is it I had shipped to and I had the person's name and address there and then right up here Was my return like you're supposed to have it What'd they do they sent it right back here? Yeah, they sent it back to my house. Yeah, right here. Yeah When it said and I and I chewed them I chewed them out And they they they refused to take care of a way to pay again. Yeah, plus it was late for the customer But it even said ship to anyone that's received anything for me You'll see that on your address ship to what are you doing? Okay, so she's always bumping me. So please stop So anyway, that's that's one reason, you know, not to mention my divorce papers. I did a video on that Somebody busted perfume and it went all over my important documents. They didn't want to take care of it 140 bucks down the drain. Yeah, they would not take care of it and we've had stuff that You know it says out for delivery out for delivery mail goes right past Then I call him and they're like Well, it's probably still in the truck Okay, well you got paid to deliver that you drove right past the house. How can it still be in the truck? So I'm tired of messing with him. So FedEx I think I did a video on her bumper Parts for messing out of it. It's not the company's fault So I didn't even bother the company because it wasn't their fault. It was FedEx's fault and then not too long ago her mom's whatever came and The box was all smashed up.  What you know, what's going on here, I'm tracking it all at once the tracking number for UPS didn't work no more It's like what the hell so you know always get texts and emails and stuff Which I didn't get one text for some reason but so but I was getting emails and I'm like The tracking for these emails the tracking saying it's United States Postal Service. Hmm Okay, now mind you. All right in order to take that stuff to The UPS store you got to go right past the post office, right? Mm-hmm, and then it's about a mile From the post office to the UPS store So it left the UPS store they just sent it took it over to the post office and shipped it out from there now so I googled this and It says and they're all saying this Okay, it says sometimes the carrier company such as UPS Has a number of different types of service that the sender can select from one of them is known as smart post It is with this type of service that UPS handles long distance Transportation and then the package is handled is handed to the post office for the final local delivery So if that's the case UPS should have took well, we had one go clear out to Where to go right here? It went clear out to Oregon Mm-hmm, right? Because it says right here Let me show you something So apparently UPS should have brought it from Inverness, Florida out to Oregon, right? But let me show you something here. I Can prove That it didn't okay. There's no address here. It's just the city. So don't try to dox this guy Okay, so it says here shipping label created at USPS awaiting their shipping label created USPS awaiting item in Inverness, Florida November 3rd 1226 p.m So as soon as they receive that package Or as soon as she paid to ship it They already created a label for the United States Postal Service and That is how I know that that they didn't take it out to his local area and handed off to them No, it got handed off here. And here's the damn proof Right there It left here it didn't go out there and then get there it left here and It was delivered on November 9th at 1150 a.m. It was delivered anywhere at his mailbox So Why would they why would they lie about it? And I can't find any place. I've been on several Different websites looking this up Here's another one UPS handles long distance Transportation and then the package is handed to the post office for the final local delivery.  Well, apparently, you know, they're in with the USPS So apparently what I'm thinking is they're getting stuff shipped to almost nothing They're driving it a mile and charging us that kind of money for shipping.  It's gonna work on my car. I gave him a hundred and fifty dollars And then he sends his cousin You know, Lee on up that don't know anything about it to fix your car, but you already paid the other guy You know Yeah, think about it. It's like ordering an Uber and an Uber goes. I don't feel like driving out that far He calls his cousin cuz he's closer and his cousin Herbert wants to come and pick you up It's the same thing.  Yeah No, they never said anything either. They just I just told her to go as cheap as possible You know, and so she did she didn't say, okay, well if you do it for this price It's gonna go to the the post office and the post office is gonna say it says never said that Okay, but that's not the point even here it says it will long distance transportation So there's they should have at the mine at the maximum minimum They should have took it out there at least to his local post office and give it to them. They didn't They drove it a freaking mile to our post office If I wanted them to do the whole thing, I would have just took it there myself But it says complete online tracking enter the address in your web browser To track. Okay, so I did all this and it was gone. There was no tracking number And I was like what's going on? So I told her I said, I think something's going I think our packages are coming back or something because we had that problem before yeah, I Said did you put because I said from now on don't don't put a return address on it You know because we don't have to Anytime you ship mail or anything you don't have to let someone know your your personal address Especially nowadays when you're selling stuff online And she said no, I didn't I just left it the way you had it, which I didn't put in any return address because Well, I think two of these already know our address anyway, but the point is is You know, I don't what what if what if I'm selling something, you know through eBay total stranger You don't have you don't have to let them know where you live. No, they don't need your address But and so I was like what's going on, you know, I typed it in on all three of these I tried I tried all the tracking numbers and they wasn't working. I was getting ready to email everybody to tell them Hey, I don't know what's going on, but the tracking is not working Well, that's because it had before probably before she even gotten the car it had already, you know Went to the post office You know what I mean because it doesn't say what time it was here, but the time here definitely says that The shipping label was created at 1226 p.m.  Yeah to go do that. Mm-hmm.  So that's why I had a tracking number for about 10 minutes And then it just wouldn't it just went away You know can't find that tracking number page not found and all this and I'm like what the hell finally I got my first email stating that you know that it was that The item was it at the United States post office.  Yeah That's weird that pisses me off man. You know and and I You know, there's a reason I I mean why didn't I just send it through the man? Well, it's cheaper through here But they're the ones delivering it anyway You know, yeah Here I'm gonna give you this money make sure my package gets out there safe and sound will do by see Yeah, post office. Yep. We got another one for you And what happens if it gets lost in between? Yeah, that's what we were saying if it gets lost or something We go to United we go to United and parcel service. We go to the UPS we go to the Brown Company, right? We go there to say, hey, you know the package is lost or customer didn't get their package. Oh Whoa, whoa, United States postal service. You know the mail took it. Well, wait a minute. We paid you. Yeah, but they took it So we go back. What if we go back to the mail then they're gonna say yeah, but you didn't hire us Yeah, you hired them you paid them so you got to take it up with them. That's gonna be a back-and-forth thing. Mm-hmm. I can just say it now Yeah Bullshit, so I want to make you guys aware of that and and right now we just spent 45 minutes looking for Anything on YouTube about it. Nobody has anything about that on YouTube So I don't know if you guys not many people know about it or what but the only things coming up on YouTube is You know, there's scam tax or or most of them's how to wrap a package. How to ship a package No, and I tried three or four different ways, you know Why did the United States Postal Service take my package when I paid, you know, UPS to do it and all that. Yeah That's not fair. That's deceiving people It's maddening. There's a reason why I went through that company not just for the price It's because up until now I didn't have a problem with them, you know, mm-hmm But I had none of the problems with FedEx. I've had nothing but problems with the mail So let's go to UPS And it just something struck me I was like cuz you know, I want to make sure these guys got their their stuff and I hope you guys enjoy them Of course Mark already knows I signed the hat but Dennis and Kenny I signed your boxes Kenny yours assigned on the knife box and Dennis yours assigned on the box on top. So I did sign everything sign But anyway, I want to make you guys aware of that if you didn't know be careful and ask him next time And that's what I'm gonna go with her next time. I have to send something out And I'm gonna say, you know, I want you guys to take it.  So that's anything I can figure is somehow they're getting a really cheap discount to have So they're charging us this hefty price to drive the freaking mile Yeah, that pisses me off. There's that's a scam. They're scamming me. Yeah, I'm in her.  No, I'm paying you Not the mail. I'm paying you see what me. Yeah geez I can't believe they're doing and also I'm get away with also I was reading in here to where it said that that also adds an extra day on the shipping It can add up to an extra day on the shipping Because sometimes it takes them a day to get from there to the post office and blah blah blah And if it ain't there in time then it can't ship So you're you're losing the day most of the time and that's what says most of the time It will add a day on to The thing so if I told, you know Somebody I saw something on eBay and they're expecting on this day and then it turns out they get a message saying The time has changed.  It has not been shipped yet That's why it'll say such and such waiting for you know, right pick up or whatever So anyway guys, we wanted to let you know that that's bullshit I'm very mad about that How they can do it how they're getting away with that is not right. I mean if they told you that You know, then it would be up to you to decide if you want to take it. Well think about it. Okay, you order a pizza from Pizza Hut Come find out Papa John's delivers your pizza. Why? It's the same thing. Oh, well, you know because well You know wearing coats with them So we just thought you know we pay them have them bring it to you. That's not the pizza I pay for that's not the delivery guy I'm paying to Tim. You it's the same. It's the same exact thing Yeah, I'm gonna order a pizza from this person, but it's going to come from this pizza shop Well, I'm gonna pay this delivery person to deliver this package But they're going to drop it off at this place and they're going to it's the same thing. Yeah, you know It's the same same thing wrong totally wrong No, it's not misleading it's a straight-up scam because they're getting their packages shipped out next to nothing by using the mail But they're charging us an arm and a leg You know to haul it a mile You know, what was the most expensive one here would be the Eight dollars and thirteen cents They're not going to use eight dollars worth of fuel in any of them damn trucks You know you use eight dollars worth of fuel in a semi to go one mile No, I'm a mechanic ying on tell me it's gonna take that much money to take it from it's literally a mile to take it from there Over to to the post office bullshit Doesn't take that much money.   Yeah, you pay them for services That somebody else is gonna be doing. Yeah, that's what I'm doing I'm paying them for services and they're passing it on to somebody else. Yeah, that's not right. That's not fair I don't care how cheap it is That's not right No, you know, I don't care if they said here give us your package You know what we'll do it for you for free and then send it through the mail That's not what I'm on No, I'm paying you guys. I want you to deliver it if I wanted the post office to screw my stuff up I would go pay them right, you know It's it's ridiculous and you look at all the YouTube videos just YouTube that we're not counting tiktok Facebook and The internet we're not talking about just look at some of the things they do on YouTube the postal service Didn't you have something thrown out or something? Oh, I had all my mail. It was stolen Well, it was a man. It was a mail lady and she was yeah, my mail lady was on vacation So she took over she got stressed out took all the mail and threw it out in the woods and in Oklahoma And I had a water bill was it the whole row? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so everybody on that row Yeah, and I had a water bill that I knew was gonna come through the mail and never came So I was like, oh, so I called the water company to see why I didn't get the bill and She found out because she kept getting calls That this is what happened.  So I called the postmaster and the postmaster confirmed it. Yeah, that's what happened Well, why why didn't they go door-to-door or try to call get at least what mail they could and have it delivered Right. I mean if I never got okay. All right. All right. All right. That's what I'm saying now The mail was thrown out in the woods they found out where the mail was thrown out in the woods Then why didn't they get somebody else to deliver it the rest of the way? Well, the reason why because I asked them where where's my mail? I want my mail and he said well, they have to keep it for evidence because they were prosecuting her But after that I still never got that evidence. You take a picture of it and send people their mail Yeah, it's just like if somebody Steals my tractor and they find it I can go get that tractor and bring it home They don't need the tractor. Look, this is the evidence. No, you got a picture of it is the evidence Well, what if there is somebody have money in there or pay a check or something? Well, I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did I'm sure they did like birthday cards and stuff like that people always send money in birthday Granted, it's not like three hundred dollars Most of the time usually stick a five-dollar bill in there, but still You know just to take someone's stuff. Well, this this is that's why I don't want to deal with post office That's why I wanted to deal with somebody else and they went ahead turned it over to them anyway Bullshit, I guess I'll be aware of that if there's anything you think I can do or say about it You know to somebody because that's not right and it even says in here on two or three different websites that Don't do the long haul. Okay. I could get it. Okay that I would be satisfied with okay They took it to his post office and then they took to him. Okay, that's kind of hard to mess up from the post office to your home They can do it. It's been done, but what I'm saying. I'm okay, but what I'm saying is all right fine. I Okay, fine. Cool. We can do that But they didn't they're saying they do that But they're not because I got proof right here and I've got all these in my emails And I've got them screen-shotted too to where it didn't the farthest they took it was a mile Not the long haul they didn't take it to the local delivery person there They took it to my local delivery person. They made the long haul and that's not right and we all know UPS is slower than the USPS Because you know the USPS or the UPS the UPS Will get something usually in it like that far a night or two tops Nice these postal service because it's got to stop different places You know and then it gets on a truck and then it runs the long haul and then it goes You know if there are a couple more places. Yeah. Well like I said like like right here I'll just prove it to you. You know before it even left, Florida. There we go Tracking and delivery We'll see the whole tracking list So it left here Well, the shipping label was created then it was it accepted Okay, so the shipping label was created on Friday the third But they didn't even take the package till Saturday the fourth At 9 28 p.m. See so there's your whole day and that doesn't make sense because When I go to UPS I have been there later and I have seen the UPS guy and he comes at five o'clock every day there Okay, pick up the mail So, okay, but what I'm saying right here is proof. Yeah, we're already established. It was Friday, right? Friday the third They created a shipping label for the United States Postal Service The mail at 12 26 November 3rd They didn't actually get the package until 9 28 p.m. On the fourth which was Saturday right here's proof of it See that right there's proof of it. So there's that whole day wasted. Yeah Sitting in the back of a truck and people wonder why their electronics don't work I'm starting to think maybe it's not China's bad piss poor products It's because it sits in a truck too damn long the heat and the cold and all that But right there's proof They created the label at 12 26 p.m. on Friday and didn't even drop it off to the post office until 9 28 p.m That's a hell of a lot more than 24 hours. So there's your whole day right there on Saturday Then it left there and went to Jacksonville And it stopped at Jacksonville to get on the truck to take it out west See what I'm saying That's something Jesus Right there's proof. There's your whole day. That's why it may take an extra day. They said yeah on that one website It said it could cause a day delay in your delivery Well, there it is. It's just actually more than a day. That was more than 24 hours. Yeah That was 3 20 or 12 26. Yeah to Saturday would have been 24 hours So, you know the post office didn't you so it took them How long is that you know It took him eight hours so 8 and 24 that's 32 hours Right Took him 32 hours to get that one mile So there's your extra day That's nuts doesn't even make sense Don't to go a damn mile There you go guys right there's proof Yeah, I'm a little upset. What do you guys think about that and did you know that let me know in the comments below So you guys have a great weekend and I don't know. Hopefully maybe we can do a Live tomorrow night or something. Yeah, we'll see if she's feeling better. We'll we'll do that All right guys, so thanks for watching appreciate it. She bear the myth man led and gone for now month Check the channel out and we'll see you guys in the next one. Bye guys. Have a great weekend. We'll see you soon


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Live from Chicago, Illinois. It's theCUBE, covering VeeamON 2018. Brought to you by Veeam. Welcome back to VeeamON 2018 in Chicago, everybody. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante. I'm here with my co-host Stu Miniman. Carl Rottenstrock is here. Carl Rottenstrock, senior program manager for Azure Storage at Microsoft. Carl, thanks for coming on. Hey, it's a pleasure, guys. Thank you for having me.  You got three boys at home? Three boys, three boys. They keep me out of trouble. They get into it, they keep me out of it. I'm one of three boys. My mom, you know, kept us going. You must have a strong moment at home. She is a saint. So, at any rate, thanks for coming on. We love talking Microsoft, Azure, Cloud and Storage. Let's start with your role. Sure. What do you do at Microsoft? Absolutely, so for the last year, I've been a program manager with the storage team and I have kind of a unique role. You know, usually you see program managers who focus on features, right?  For me, I get to work with our partner ecosystem. So, I spend a lot of time with our great partners like Veeam and our channel partners like SHI, CDW, Soft Choice, Insight. I mean, just, I'll tell you, I've got the best job in the business. I can't complain. I get to work with great, smart people every day. So, is your role sort of transferring knowledge to those partners, assisting those partners, acting as a catalyst, gathering information from them and feeding it back to the product in years? Yeah, really, you know, all of the above, helping to make sure that we've got a combined solution, an end-to-end solution, that's the best thing for our customers. So, everything from upfront assessment, through implementation, through health check afterwards. You know, our goal is to have the happiest customers in the public cloud and we can't do that without our partners. How do you, how should we think about your, the Azure storage portfolio? Can you paint a picture for us? Oh boy, it has grown drastically. I mean, just in the last couple of months. So, not only do we have our first-party offerings in the disk, so a traditional VM disk, as we all know it, you're going to attach to a server. We have hosted file infrastructures where we provide file shares that don't require a server to manage. Our partnership with NetApp, where we are going to be operating NetApp systems in our data centers and offering their native services. And we just continue to expand with big data solutions, with Avere, our new acquisition that is really aimed at high-performance compute environments like we see in genomics and media and entertainment. It's just a portfolio that continues to grow and we all joke that storage is boring, right? Nobody cares about storage, but honestly, it's one of the most interesting and fastest-growing and evolving platforms in Azure. We joke sometimes we call it snorage, but me and Stu and I are kind of boring people, so we love talking about it. I like that.  Okay, like you say, this expanding portfolio. Carl, I look back at my career and Microsoft's had a long partnership, not only with the compute side, but really on the storage side, maybe isn't as well known as shipping on every PC and server out there. A lot has changed when you talk about Azure and Azure Stack coming out. Maybe explain a little bit, I believe you called it kind of the first party versus the second party, how that Microsoft does it versus Microsoft partners, how those met together. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'll tell you, so I joined the company about five years ago and I've been on the storage team for the last year. I was a field specialist, a subject matter expert before that, working very, very closely with customers. And what I love that I've seen over this period through the Satya Nadella era is just this open Microsoft that says, we don't have to do everything, right? We don't have to try to provide everything to the customer. We're really believe in and I think we just effuse that best of breed attitude going forward and our partners feel that, whether we're working with Veeam in Azure Public Cloud as a target or them offering protection of VMs in public cloud, which is necessary, by the way. I think that's a huge fallacy in the industry that you place your app, you place your machine in a public cloud and it's magically protected by Pixies. It's not. That backup and security are in a concern wherever you put it, right? Absolutely, wherever they are. So we rely on our partners like Veeam to provide that and really where Azure Stack comes in is providing that consistent experience not just to our customers, but also to our partners. So Veeam is able to protect Azure Public Assets in the same manner they're able to protect Azure Private, let's see, for Azure Stack resources. So really it's just offering customers choice to use best of breed solutions and allowing our partners to have an easy means to support both on-premises and public cloud. So the second service catalog that you guys offer and then you advise customers or they pick and choose what they want, how's that all work? Yeah, so really what we do and that's a great way to put it. So we have what we call the Azure Marketplace that's present in the Azure Public Cloud and we extend that to Azure Stack. So if I'm a customer who wants to deploy Veeam per se in either infrastructure, I go to this catalog of apps. I mean, it literally is a catalog of apps. Search for Veeam, there it is and I can single click deploy in either Azure Stack or Azure Public. Microsoft is unique in the sense of its hybrid strategy in terms of what you have in the cloud, you have on-prem. You're trying to wherever possible make it identical. I mean, really Microsoft and Oracle are really the only two companies who sort of have a stated strategy to do that. Let's talk about Microsoft in terms of where you're at in terms of getting that substantially similar capability in basically on-prem and in the public cloud. Yeah, absolutely and that's a great, great topic to discuss. So Azure Stack, I always like to tell folks, hey, full disclosure and we don't try to hide this at all. That's not who we are, but it will always lag a little bit behind Azure Public. When you think about the controls in customers data centers for rolling out code updates and new versions of software new capabilities, there's always an adoption curve, right? You have folks who are a little more hesitant to release quickly and adopt quickly. So Azure Stack offers them the capability to defer some of those updates for a period of time. So there will be lag. We have to qualify for multiple vendor platforms. We've chosen to go to market in a hyper-converged model with our partners like Dell EMC, HPE, Lenovo and Cisco. Whereas Azure Public, that's a completely controlled infrastructure and we're able to deploy very quickly. And we do, we're constantly iterating and releasing new features. So I think that's the biggest difference between the two. All right, so Carl, you give a session here at the show called migrating to Azure. That whole move is pretty challenging. Oh, yes. Am I lift and shifting, am I transforming, am I building new? What are you hearing from customers and give our audience a taste of some of the kind of key takeaways that you were talking about. Yeah, absolutely. So that's one of the biggest concerns that we've had over the last couple of years. As I said earlier, we want the happiest customers in public cloud and no cloud regret or remorse, right? So what we talked about in our session was a tool that we released recently called Azure Migrate that is all about assessing and setting expectations for customers around what can and cannot migrate, how much it will cost to run that infrastructure in public cloud, either as is or optimized and then suggestions for optimizing their infrastructure to get the best bang for their buck. So there are great opportunities to save cost when platforms are adopted like Azure SQL, platform as a service offerings. When I've got kind of that time sharing concept, when I take away maintenance activities around operating systems and software releases, there are significant cost savings versus a lift and shift, which can quite honestly be more expensive than what that customer is doing on premises today. So Azure Migrate is meant to help customers avoid that no regrets. I guess there's, I wonder what you're hearing from customers because there's some concern, well maybe I should just do infrastructure as a service. If I get into those platform as a service, am I locked in? I mean, Microsoft is used for lots of business critical applications. I see Microsoft strongly in the Kubernetes ecosystem, getting into the functions as a service, which those things are trying to give me a little bit more portability and flexibility. So maybe discuss some of those. Yeah, that's great.  So there is, there's always that concern about the cloud hotel California, right? That's what I like to jokingly refer, half jokingly refer to it as you get in, you can never leave. And there is that jeopardy with any provider that if you're using some proprietary platform that you can be locked in. And really we try to promote the use of containers extensively with those customers who have that concern. And even with our hosted analytics and hosted database infrastructures, we make sure to provide those portable cross cloud platforms like Postgres, MySQL, our analytics is all Hadoop based. You know, really we don't want that lock in to be there. We don't want that to be a concern. So continuing support for open platforms and ecosystems is really something we're committed to. I mean, lock in, it's a spectrum. Absolutely. I've been in this business for a long time and Unix used to be the open system, right? I mean, today you can't get more locked in than you know, a Unix platform. So I feel as though, and I wonder if you guys could comment, the cloud has transparent pricing and transparent billing.  But you can't just do that across the board if you have transparent billing. So there's the pricing aspect. There's certainly a lock in with the processes and procedures that you choose. But no matter what you choose, whether it's open source, a cloud provider like Amazon and on-prem provider, like the many that we know out there, you're going to be locked into your processes and procedures. So it's a matter of degree. I personally see it as, because of the cloud, a lot less onerous than it used to be. Do you guys agree with that? I mean, Dave, it's that application is the long pole in the 10 from what I see. What I've been using, and if I go to something new, if I go build it, this new architecture, cloud neighbor, whatever, that's a pretty big bet. So, you know, depending on how deep and tight that is to a specific platform, even if I'm choosing a database, migrating databases aren't easy. So- But that's the issue. It's the bet that you're making. It's more so than the lock in because lock in, you're going to be locked into whatever bet you make. So you've got to make the right bet. To me, it's a way for consultants to sort of act like an advocate for the customer. What's more important, in my view, is negotiation strategies, how you place that bet, how you architect your cloud strategy. And I mean, Dave, just to- Absolutely. I remember four years ago, you and I interviewed Brad Anderson with Microsoft and we were poking him on licensing. I don't hear that discussion about Microsoft as much. Of course, they always want it cheaper and everything like that, but Microsoft's done a great job in the cloud communities. They're known as being participating in those communities and giving customers- Well, that's our take. What's your take? Yeah, yeah, no, I love it. And I think what I'm seeing is customers are hedging their bets, right? So you do, and it is a bet. You do have to not go all in with somebody, with any cloud provider, but you got to put your chips with some proprietary platforms. And what I'm seeing is that multi-cloud that we're all talking about is really becoming the reality. I can think of very few customers that I've worked with who have had Azure as their single public cloud. And really, that's how they avoid out of that Z-Series down the road, right? Where you're locked in, you've got one provider, that platform, they're saying, look, I'm going to deploy on the best service in the best public cloud for that application instance, as Stu mentioned. That's happening. As they say in England. Yeah, there you go. So we're here at VeeamON, your relationship with Veeam, they've obviously partnered up with you guys in a big way, your thoughts on the partnership? Yeah, I love working with these guys. I mean, I'm very fortunate in that I get to work with some of the best that we have and everything from the relationship that we have at a marketing level, an engineering level, a field level, they're really ingrained in our ecosystem at all levels. And just a very, very easy partner to work with, very responsive to their customer needs. And that's what we look for. We want to work with the partners that customers love. So I'm just thrilled to be part of this relationship. Carl, thanks so much for coming on theCUBE. I think you embody the new open Microsoft and you guys are making great progress. Congratulations and thanks so much for coming on. Thank you, Dave, it was a pleasure. Stu, thank you very much. All right, keep it right there, and we'll be back with our next guest. Veeamon, live from Chicago, you're watching theCUBE.