The January lockdown seems to be working, with COVID cases going down and hospital admissions leveling off. However, the epidemic could be declining faster, and the government recently released this advert to try to encourage people to keep following the rules. Come in the eyes and tell them you're doing all you can to stop the spread of COVID-19. Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives. I mean that's obviously a powerful advert. Of course, as we always say, we do advocate that people follow the rules, it's very important to follow lockdown rules. But the whole campaign does leave a bit of a bad taste in the mouth, and that's because yet again, it's government messaging which blames individuals for the government's failure. The slogan, look them in the eyes and tell them you're doing all you can to stop the spread of COVID-19. Now this is an advert from the government, and Boris Johnson is the person in the country who has the most responsibility for not doing all he can to stop people dying from COVID-19. If he had gone into a lockdown two weeks earlier when the scientists had advised, then we would have peaked at 30,000 cases a day instead of 60,000 cases a day. Potentially we could have had half the number of deaths in this wave. I mean, quite likely we could have had less than half the number of deaths in this wave if he'd taken earlier advice from Sage, for example, the circuit breaker, for example, a test and trace system that worked. So to then make this also individualized about the viewer who's watching this advert, who's supposed to feel guilty for the deaths that will continue, they're going to continue above a thousand a day for potentially quite a while. They're still on an average of over a thousand a day, and that's probably not the fault of the person watching that advert, but that's kind of what they're trying to get you to believe. Anyway, again, none of this is to say ignore the advert. With estate agents construction workers and call center operatives being asked into work by their bosses, that's clearly one of the big failings of this government in terms of the lockdown not being as strict as it could have been. As I say, cases are going down, but they could be going down faster. And it's in that context where bosses are asking their workers to go into work, that this variant of that advert is particularly gross, let's say.  No, obviously, if you can work from home, work from home. If you're someone who's going into, well, you can't go into the central London Starbucks, but if you're self-employed and going into some office that you don't need, some shared office that you don't need to be in, a bit of an unusual scenario anyway, don't do that. But if someone is going into work when they could work at home, what's more likely to be the case is that their boss asked them to go. That's normally why people go into work. It's because their boss asked them to go. That's how the economy works, but the government hasn't been very strict on bosses. The government have been very lax on bosses, in fact. They sort of said, we advise you to encourage your workers from home, but there's no demand, there's no requirement. And as we know, there are many industries which aren't essential, which are continuing at this point in time. Now, Shelly Asquith, who works on health and safety for the Trade Union Congress, she summed up the problem with this ad when she tweeted, this is out of order. Unions are hearing from thousands of frightened workers every week who are being forced to office jobs they know can be done from home, but face the sack if they refuse. Blame the bosses. We've talked a lot about how the government sort of blame individuals to distract from the actions of themselves and their sort of lax attitude to bosses. But I haven't seen it being quite so explicit before that they're blaming workers for the spread of coronavirus. I mean, were you surprised by that advert? It's kind of just the most brutal expression of how this entire crisis response has been run. And I completely agree with Shelly. Firstly, that poster campaign should not be directed to everyday people who have had unclear messaging, who have, you know, many of whom have followed irresponsible lockdown policy. For example, people who went to shopping centers and went to restaurants in that sort of early part of December when that was open in London. And also, as you mentioned, people who are forced into going into work. A campaign like that should be directed towards MPs and specifically Boris Johnson. It should be saying, you know, look him in the eyes and tell him that we should take coronavirus on the chin. It should be look him in the eyes and tell him that it was okay to open restaurants and shops while we still have thousands of infections a day. And we were entering winter season for the NHS, just so companies could make their Christmas bottom line. How about look him in the eye and tell him that we don't have enough money to furlough people and that we shouldn't furlough them because it would disincentivize people from working, which is a direct quote from Ian Duncan Smith. Because those are actually the people and those are actually the policies that are accountable for the crisis because those are the people, because, you know, not workers who are going into work because their boss has the power to make them go into work. And, you know, I know so many people, multiple people who are not only going into work, having to go into work when they don't need to work, but even for those who do have to go into work are working in unsafe conditions and whose managers are making incredibly irresponsible decisions in order to make a bottom line. And there's absolutely nothing those workers can do to report or flag that irresponsible behavior from an employer. There's no mechanism to correct that.  Like the any use fight to stop kids going back to school likely saved thousands of lives. And they had to do that in the face of demonization of stigmatization from the press and politicians. So, you know, that is like, and the fact that that's that part of that story gets lost. And the fact that the unions, they're not just fighting for, you know, this abstract idea of, you know, the workers, but they're fighting for the safety of the broader community as well. And, you know, I think that you mentioned that, you know, this is about sort of shifting blame from the government. And I think that that's true. But I also do think that there is an element here of embedding this broader principle that when you have times of crisis like this one, the response to that has to be through policing and punishment. So, you know, we've heard a lot from Priti Patel about how, you know, this myth that it's, you know, reckless individuals breaking the lockdown is the reason why we have this this we're in this position that is being used as a precursor to essentially increase policing powers, increase the ability of police to sort of find people on the spot. And so the idea is that we respond to this through punishment and through policing, rather than through an ethic of care and an ethic of support, which is kind of much more what the unions were fighting for. And yet they got so demonized. So I think that there is the question of, you know, the sort of immediate strategy of like, we've really fucked up here, and we want to just create a narrative that can kind of confuse people and get people to blame each other rather than us. But I also think it's in the ideological fabric of we respond to these things by punishing individuals and by through this carceral system, rather than by having the principle of care and support to enable people to do what they need to do in order to keep themselves and their communities safe. If you want to tune into a new show that doesn't blame workers, it doesn't blame ordinary people for the coronavirus crisis we are currently in, then please do subscribe to Novara Media and Tisgisau Ecolive every Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 7pm. And we hold the powerful to account, not the public. Right, the advert we've just shown you, it was gross from our perspective. Unfortunately, it hasn't caused a massive backlash in the wider population. The one we're about to show you has. So this was another ad put out to encourage us all to stay at home.  As you can see, we have four household seen on the left. You can see you've got a family sitting on the couch, on then you've got a parent holding a baby, then a parent homeschooling their children, and then a parent cleaning the house. Now, if you are particularly eagle-eyed, what you'll notice is that all the chores are being done by women. A woman is homeschooling, a woman is caring for the baby, and a woman is cleaning the house. The only man to appear is lounging on a sofa. So this has caused quite rightly quite a lot of outrage because it seemed as deeply sexist. The government in this case have responded to that backlash by pulling the ad. They've said, oh, it doesn't actually represent what we think about women. Let's go to some of the backlash because it didn't just come from campaigners, although that was, you know, there was a lot of backlash from campaigners, a lot of backlash on social media, but it also came from Tory backbenchers. So this is Caroline Noakes, who chairs the Women's and Equality Select Committee.  Now, Dana, I want to bring you in because this advert is clearly offensive, but also, you know, are we potentially missing a trick by talking about the advert as being offensive when actually the representation it makes of households during lockdown isn't necessarily that inaccurate. So the force that society found women were twice as likely to have taken unpaid time off as a result of the pandemic than men. And the IFS, that's the Institute for Fiscal Studies, found that in the spring lockdown, women were only able to do one hour of uninterrupted paid work for every three hours done by men. So it's an offensive advert, but also is the reality even worse? The reality it's representing is what's offensive rather than the poster itself. And, you know, women in general, even outside of the pandemic, have had to take on much larger amounts of unpaid care work as a result of austerity and, you know, the defunding of the care service and the devaluing of care as, you know, a kind of work. So it's really actually kind of annoying to see Tory MPs who are absolutely fine with all of the economic policies that have burdened, you know, especially working class women with huge amounts of unpaid care work on top of the wage labor that a lot of working class women do, getting up in arms about the reality that they help to create being represented in a poster. And, you know, but in the case of the pandemic specifically, so that's kind of a broader comment about austerity and its impact on women. But, you know, in the case of the pandemic, we have this situation, you know, and especially because outside care services, you know, even if we did have a well-funded care service, it would be restricted in how much we could have relied on that in this particular moment. But we can still see highly gendered concepts of work, which is basically why are women having to take unpaid time off in order to fulfill their increased care responsibilities as a result of the pandemic. That is not an accident that women have had to do that and, you know, have therefore had to accept to cut in their wages and have because they've had to take unpaid time off and also has left them less time to, you know, take care of themselves and sort of make sure that they are rested, etc., in order to take on all of this work. So that's not an accident. And that is again part and parcel of the government's, you know, complete disregard for the realities of how this pandemic is going to have knock on effects, especially for marginalized people like working class women. This is work and it's work upon which our economy and our society relies. Now, obviously, to an extent, the gendering of this work as sort of feminized is related to how that work is represented. So in that sense, I guess representations like the one in this campaign kind of matter, but if what you really care about is making the lives of women, you know, sort of structurally easier, then you'd be much better off supporting the actual material policies that would do that, rather than getting angry on Twitter about a poster, which is very easy to do, but ultimately, it's kind of meaningless. Some of the easy things the government could have done, which would have limited the, you know, the unequal outcomes of lockdown, because you often hear the lockdown skeptics, the likes of Julie Hartley-Brew, who say, oh, I'm against lockdowns because they have an unequal effect on the poor. But then you don't hear them backing any of the actual policies that would mean that lockdowns didn't have an unequal effect on poor people, because obviously, obviously no one thinks lockdowns are a good thing, but you need to stop this incredibly deadly virus. And what the government could have done, for example, is given people the right to claim furlough. So if you had, for example, you know, if your kids have come off school, you say, look, I want to devote a bit more time to homeschooling than I would be able to do if I continue doing my work. So can you furlough me? And it turns out that TUC did a study into this. 70% of women who asked for furlough were declined it. So you have people who are, you know, in the government's words, trying to do the right thing, which is trying to keep the education of your kids tiding along. I mean, this TUC study was specifically about women. So I don't know what the numbers are when it comes to men. But you're saying, look, I want to make sure my child's education continues as best as possible throughout this period. So I want to be furloughed during this period. The boss says, no, often the boss had said no, because they said it would make us look bad, or because then other people might get an idea that they could get furloughed. So you can see how completely the wrong attitude has been sort of spread from the top down from the government down to say, you know, if possible, keep on working. And if that means you have to work twice as much because you're doing a job and looking after your kids, so be it. It didn't need to be like that.


As part of that for to boost internal security mechanisms at the grassroots, the choir state's governor, Abdul Rahman Abdul Razak, has presented 32 oppression of vehicles and one 16 motorcycles to the Liky Government Security Initiative across the 16 Liky Government Areas of the state. Speaking already handed over the oppression of vehicles at the Choir State Government House in Ellori, Abdul Rahman maintained that two operational vehicles with 10 motorcycles will go to each Liky Government item, the Transitional Implementation Committee Chairman to ensure the judicious use of vehicles and walk with traditional rulings. Getting two vehicles and 10 motorcycles. The Chairman has walked closely with all the stakeholders, the traditional rulers, within the constituencies and make sure they have serious engagement with the security agencies. The security agencies alone can't do it. They need our support in making sure communities are safe. That is why and we've made sure you have the mobility to do that. So put it into good use. The Speaker of the Choir State House of Assembly, Yaqubu Danladi and the Chairman Association of Liky Government of Nigeria, Judy Shonibare, that scrapped the movement's timely noting that it will go a long way to strengthen the security network at the grassroots. The government has been the security network in respective Liky Government who have greatly improved. With these vehicles we are seeing and the motor cycles so it will go in longer. We are now the amount of the motorcycle and the way the vehicles will enter. And we cannot hear you once again that this mobility will be used for the purpose of which they are made for. In addition to the 32 operational vehicles, the Choir State Road Traffic Management Authority also got three vehicles to boost their services. Choir State in the North, Central Nigeria is one of the states facing insecurity from kidnappers and oddies. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Okay, it seems we are live. Hi everyone, welcome to the platform SIG meeting. Today we have a regular SYNCUP about ongoing projects in a platform special interest group. In particular, there is a plan to talk about Windows service, I'm sorry, Windows Installer's reward could be done by Alex and also about the Java 11 support project. And since we have a do it with us on the call, maybe we could also talk about Docker images. Okay, would you like to talk about that? Okay, yeah, we can return to it later. So on the call we had Baptiste, David, Dolvidos, Mark and Oliver. Oh, we don't have Alex actually, but okay, we can press it. So I'll just share my screen. Okay, this is my screen? Yes. Okay, so we have several topics. Since Alex hasn't joined yet, let's just move Windows Installer's to the bottom and also conditionally at Docker images and multi-architecture ones. Does anybody want to add any additional topics to the agenda? Do we need an action items recap item, agenda item like we've used in the past? Well, let's do that. So yeah, we have a bunch of... Yeah, embarrassing. I believe that everybody was... So we had many activities ongoing in Jenkins project now. So we were closing down Java 11 thing. We were preparing JSOC, Mark was on vacation. So I do not think we have many action items completed, but let's double check. Okay, so Mark open JEP to Docker operating system support. Not completed, I'll try to get it done by our next meeting in two weeks. Sorry about that. Okay, thank you. Project owner for Jenkins Chocolatey, I believe it's done. At least there will be some discussions about that in the emails. Yeah, let's wait for Alex. I agree, it's looking like it's at least more than ongoing and probably completed, but I agree that we need to have confirmation from Alex. Yeah, so my action item still to do. Code sign and construct, I believe also to do, but here we can discuss it later. And yeah, are we missing any action items? I don't think so. I think it's not the case here. Yeah, so maybe there are some minor ones. So probably we could take a look at Java 11 status. For those ones who participated yesterday in the governance meeting, it will be pretty much recap of what we discussed there. Oh, we have a new weekly release 2164. And this weekly release includes this particular keynote entry, sorry, change log entry. Now you can run this Java 11 without setting enable future Java flag. It means that if somebody runs this Jenkins weekly with Java 11, there will be no warning because there will be no whatever and you will just get it running. So it depends on the, yeah. No, just I wanted to say, maybe you want to explain or you want, I can take over if you want, but because even we do a meeting only two, every two weeks, the second release is also important with regard to Java 11 support, I suppose. Yeah, right. Yeah, so I'll summarize what changed over the last two weeks. And you want to take over at some point, just. No, no, that's great. I should have let you go because maybe you were going to do it, we're going to do it, sorry. Yeah, it's exactly what I was going to do. So just to summarize what changed in the core, there are a few major changes. One is a Jax Bjars. So it was our main problem and main blocker for Java 11 availability. So, yeah, you remember this running with Java 11, I don't really know which, yeah. So these things that you need to download Jax, you need to insert enable future Java. Now nothing is required. So you can just say Java minus Jax work and everything will work because of this patch delivered by Batist. So, yeah, it's just a detached plugin and this is a plugin which is considered as a detached one only on Java 11. And if you want Batist, you can clarify how it works. Yeah, so it's using for people not really knowing how it works. So for historical reason and to maintain background compatibility when basically the Jenkins core decides to try and remove some API, for instance, given how much Jenkins cares about background compatibility, something called detached plugin has been introduced some years ago, trying to make kind of allowing basically to extract the core into a given plugin. So that then plugins that will be relying on some core feature that was basically removed would keep working. So how did it work? We, the core automatically adds implied dependencies which is also known as detached plugins to the plugins that are being installed. We reuse the same feature for Jaxby. So by packaging Jaxby jars as so-called Jaxby API plugin, the only difference and the only feature that got introduced is that it's going to do exactly what I described, basically adding that plugin as an implied dependency when we install a plugin, but only if the Java, the current Java runtime environment is 11 or more. So that's mean that if you're basically running on Java 8, you won't be seeing that plugin get installed. But if you're running on Java 11, you should be seeing Jaxby automatically get installed and that should work automatically. So one case, one one, we tested a few ones, but the main one I've been working on to try and test that thing is the slot count plugin which is using the Jaxby API to serialize its data model, as far as I understand. And if you install that plugin on Java 11 before that patch, basically it would fail. But if you install it on Java on the 2164, it should work just out of the box as any other plugin to see Jaxby because then it will basically add to the class pass the missing Jaxby jars. So thank you for explanation. And yeah, everything was released. So the plugin is in the main update center as well as all other dependencies we need for Java 11. So another patch we had is actually reverting all custom changes we had in Docker images and Jenkins core. So for example, here Jenkins now uses standard update center by default when writing with Java 11. And theoretically it means that everything is done. Yesterday we had a discussion at the governance meeting. We firstly, the agreement that 2.164 will be the new LTS baseline. And it means that in the new LTS baseline, we will have a certain Java 11 support out of the box unless we discovered something really serious during the testing. And if needed, we can proceed at any moment and say that the increment LTS baseline as well as any few the weekly release have J support of Java 11. So yeah, we actually completed all main coding tasks. And if you take a look at the epic for Java 11.j in wiki, you may see that there is some open tasks, but they're mostly about the documentation and about the testing. Because we still need to complete a full test we run for ATH and for PCT. So similarly for what we were doing for experiment for preview availability in December. So we will need to repeat that. And yeah, there are also some open tasks which we will need to discuss later. But the most of the epic is completed. And yeah, it's looking really good. So yeah, there are also some test tool updates which I needed for the test automation. That's it. So unless we discovered something really bad, Java 11.j will be within one month. You have a question? I did just, we had the enable future flag to safeguard us against enable future Java flag as a safeguard against users making the incorrect choice of a Java version. Does Ubuntu 18 still deliver Java 10 as its default Java version? And if it does, is that going to be a problem? Because now someone on Ubuntu 18 may attempt to run with Java 10 when it absolutely is unsupported. It won't be a problem because how the patch was implemented not now it supports explicitly only Java 8 and Java 11. If you want to run on Java 10, you will still need to set enable future Java. Yeah, but there's a really, I'm not sure. I don't think that's what Maria is saying, but basically there's a crop on Ubuntu which basically is installing Java 10 and identifying at Java 11, right? So I'm not sure how it identifies at runtime. So maybe- So we check Java specification version and it means that if it starts with Java 10, if Java specification version is 10, we will still require enable future Java flag. Yeah, excellent. Good, that's perfect, like thank you. That was my only concern to be sure that somebody naively installing on Ubuntu 18 with the Java that they packaged by default would have a bad experience. So what you're saying is no, they'll be told directly. No, you may not run this without putting in that special flag. Thanks. If you're able to still produce that issue mark that would be interesting to double check. I suppose there didn't go to like crapping so much that they would redefine the Java specification version system property. So if it's not the case, the DS or leg is fully right. This is just going to forbid you through stuff. Great. Yeah, so it sounds like 2.164 is a place where we should intensify our advocacy and promotion of testing of that release because it's the baseline for the long-term support and because it's Java 11. So there's lots of motivation for us to social media promote this to promote it all sorts of places. Test 2.164 heavily. Yeah, it's not something we discussed yet, but it would totally make sense. So the ETA for RC release is two weeks. So we need two weeks to back port to the stuff, but we have Oliver on the call. So maybe he's open to starting RC testing earlier. Oh, and I'm not even worried about starting RC testing earlier. I just think we ought to inspire people to test the weekly. No, yeah, weekly, that's for sure. Right. I mean, for now, there's not much of a difference, right? Because we choose the latest weekly to become the LTS. And I reviewed all the candidates for this morning and I realized that basically all the candidates are already imported in because of the choice of a baseline. So provided it won't be any LTS candidate that would be released in 65 version, I presume that the one might be just the same as the weekly. So I guess, you know, it makes perfect sense to encourage people to test the weekly on Java 11. Which would be great. Okay, so it seems to be lost to Durgos again. Okay, any other questions about Java 11 status? So any, no problem then with me to start promoting, you said, we've done a silent launch of Java 11 2.164. Is it okay to actively promote it? And should we change from silent to non-silent launch? To do non-silent launch, I believe that we need to complete testing. I mean, at least tickets. So, so far it looks good. But yeah, speaking of testing, it's one of the next items in the topic about the ETH status sync up. By the way, there is no Ramon on the call, but maybe Mark, would you have a chance to ping him again? I will ping him, you bet. Yeah, thanks a lot. Just because it's better to do it in Slack and probably the screenshot in Slack is not the best idea. Okay, so yeah, well, you're waiting for Ramon. So regarding Java 11 status, there are some other interesting things just to summarize. So two months ago, Adrien and Baptiste were presenting Java 11 in Evergreen and effectively it's something which is still on the table. If I recall correctly, Baptiste has recently updated the Evergreen baseline. So maybe we will be able to ship with Java 11 a little bit quickly as well. It's going to be easier. As I already switched to another base Docker image instead of Alpine to CentOS, but basically anything else than Alpine is now it is easy. So there's a link ticket for the whole explanation, but basically, so for instance, there was that tweet and explanations at length by Mark. I don't remember the architecture, Java platform architect, but basically explaining that they are not releasing Alpine packages and it's unlikely they will ever do it for Java 11 and maybe they will do it for Java 12. So given that, we decided to, well, okay, say, if you tell by nowadays is not the right platform for Java centric applications. So that's why I decided to just move away from that base image for Evergreen at least. And I guess we should probably do those kind of things for Jenkins in general, because I'm not sure this is a major and stable structure for Java applications to run on Alpine basically, given that. Yeah, that's for sure. And yeah, thanks a lot for this migration. So given or so the cadence, the release cadence acceleration that's ongoing as we know, Java 13 is already started. Java 14 might be starting soon. So yeah, we need to be able to basically upgrade JDKs like easily and not like a very real pain all the time. Yeah, that's right. And speaking of another project, the Jenkins file runner, there were also some updates mostly by Everista. He actually updated the Jenkins file runner internals to support running with Java 11. There are some issues with the class loader but now they are resolved. And yeah, if you want to try a Jenkins file runner, there is a demo for JDK 11. It works out of the box. So yeah, you can now run Jenkins file runner there. And this is a first foundation step to enable all cloud native Jenkins flavors to run with Java 11, including Jenkins X at some point. So yeah, there is a good progress today. And same custom word packages. Originally we had a plan to apply some fixes in order to support that. But starting from 2163, thanks to Baptiste for this patch. We didn't need anything specific to run with Java 11. And hence comes some word packages that builds images as is. So this flow is also updated to support Java 11. And when we announce a general availability, probably we can announce it. The garbage is evergreen. Or maybe we could just separate announcements depending on the timing. Okay, so that's what I wanted to tell about Java 11 status. So yeah, very green. So Baptiste, are the things that you learn in making the transition to Sentos captured in commit messages in the evergreen repo? Or is that one that we should consider a blog post on or something else to share how your Sentos experience was? To be honest, I don't think it's that complicated or anything special. The only thing that brings to mind, and I think that's mainly like this, the only thing that's, I think the witch command is not in the path, it's not installed by default, which I learned, I was very surprised. But well, that's probably the only thing because everything else was just working out of the box correctly. And in general, we don't really depend on the OS and everything. So it's not like how to fight anything. It was just kind of very straightforward and like the only blocker again was like trying to, because I had the tests failing because I was looking for if some, you know, common was in the path, so I was using witch, that command, and it was failing, but that was basically the only failure. So yeah, one question which Java is actually being used in the Sentos image now? Unconfirmed, let me have a look. I don't remember all the top of my head. I did that already two or three weeks ago, so I heard out, I'm checking right now, three seconds, wait, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub. I assume it's Java 8201 or Java 8192? Yeah, let me see, the change is going to be big. Yeah, Java one, so I'm not even sure I should probably pin it, but right now what I use it is the official package that's called Java-180-OpenGDK. I use the standard package for Sentos. That's one of the things, but yeah, I should probably pin it a bit more. Yeah, maybe since we have Oliver on the call, what would be advice for Sentos? Keep using OpenGDK or maybe switching to Red Hats built of OpenGDK? Well, I presume that when you're installing OpenGDK on Sentos, the bits are already coming from Red Hat. I mean, from, you know, the wider Sentos community, but I don't presume that would be all that different. Yeah, maybe we need to get the extended version to make sure, because yeah, it may be critical for some stories, and for example, for Java 11 support documentation. We say that we support any Java, but if we at some point decide to specify which particular Java builds we support, then it would be nice to know what we actually use. Right, I mean, I cannot think of a better choice than using Sentos and whatever OpenGDK they would distribute. So yeah, I guess the best thing I can do is to refer you to the upstream Sentos documentation. Okay. I just posted the version that it's using. So yeah, it is not specifically clear to me. I don't know what I could do to check that. Maybe Oliver knows, but yeah, it's 18, oh, 191, but there's no specificity as far as I know. Maybe full version will tell me who built that, but I'm not sure if I can track it down instead of, you know, using the build, like a SHA or whatever, somewhere. I'm not sure that who built it is particularly crucial, but that version number already and the fact that it's bundled in Sentos feels like the right choice to me. Sure, but that is just to kind of completeness. I totally agree. It should be kind of the same normally, but like for clarity or for like just making sure, like we know the full picture, but I agree with you. Okay. So yeah, maybe we can take it offline and see what's actually being used. So Alex cannot join, Durgadas has dropped. So I believe these topics we just passed on to the next meeting, but regarding acceptance as harness, we also still don't have Ramon on the call. So probably I'll quickly summarize what has changed there. So since we reversed that patches in 2.63 and in 2.64, we need to update the definition so that, yeah, actually this pull request. So we needed to update the build in order to actually test what we actually run in Jenkins. So without custom libraries and yeah, this patch was about that. So since it's already integrated, I believe the next steps for us would be to wait till master build completes and investigate what are the results there. Is it right? Or should we do something else? That sounds good to me. That's the best one. I guess having this thing released is something master PR build would benefit from right. We probably want to consume it from essentials in Jenkins core. So once we are okay with how the build goes, should I release it right away? Sorry? Are we interested in me cutting a release as soon as we are confident about it? For acceptance test harness? Yes. For acceptance test harness, we actually can take a release by commit ID. So there is no specific need to cut a release. Although if it feels good to me, it would be much appreciated. Yeah, I think that what would be really interesting for us as a next step is to actually compare what fails because yeah, there is a significant number. I'm writing a commutation version of the browser, but yeah, two, eight, seven tests failed. There is a pretty long list. And yeah, for some packages, it's obvious that the tests are the same. So Java eight and Java 11 tests failed. But yeah, we need to compare that everything is the same. Just to make sure, Oleg, you put that at the sub-item of every winner. I think it's just a small mistake. We should just put it on the left. Yes. Sorry. Done. Yeah, actually it should be here. Okay. Yeah. So unfortunately, we don't have Ramon on the call, but yeah, I think that for the next step would be to just compare this run result. Does it run at least two, one, 64? I didn't check to be honest. Oliver, do you know of the top of your head which version it's using? Is it spinned? Is it using a red master? Yeah, this thing is supposed to be using a master branch or the light is released. Surely it should be consuming quickly due to the full requests. So anyway, I have cut, well, I started preparing a new branch for LTS this morning and the tests are running against that, against that I get at this point. So we would have to go through the list of failures and see how serious they are. So I presume that we would have a decent release about the latest release. In this case, both weekly and LTS to report where we are. Yeah. By the way, just to kind of the side, does incremental work on non-master branches? I think it should or would, like for instance, for the upcoming LTS, we can deploy step-by-step. Yeah, it's what can fall CS. Yeah, I mean, yeah, for the ongoing branches, that would be your tool, I guess. Well, if we push a snapshot, that's probably fine enough, but yeah. So stable, oh yeah, here's our new branch. And here commits for this new branch. And yeah, so thanks Oliver for creating that. How I've done. Definitely clicked a wrong button, but if you click here, you may see that there are actually incrementals produced. It's wrong, but it works, yeah. Yeah, it's wrong because we still haven't fixed the decision. It's reported to the incremental tools, but it really depends when there's some availability or somebody else fixes that. Yeah. But yeah, this is the correct link. That's great because then Oliver doesn't have to do manually all the time. Pushing, deploying last latest snapshots. Well, we have that and we also had a discussion for Docker images. So currently we ship Docker image for the master branch automatically. I'm happy to enable it for stable version as well. But the thing is that we need to do something about Java 11 because there is one task here, probably in this epic or in another epic that we adjust the Java 11 build flow because it was based on Docker Hub. It was using feature branch. And now since we want to produce two images from the same branch, we actually need to use Jenkins to ship these images. So likely I will be adopting JEP 217 in the core at some point. I mean, yeah, there is an experimental Jenkins organization and we can write pipeline. Actually, I'm not sure what you're saying is that we need two branches or something. I don't think it's the case. You can point now since sometime in the automatically built branches in Docker Hub you can just specify different Docker files. Different folders. And the problem that the relative source is still the same, unless I'm wrong. I don't remember how the top of my head. I'm not sure. I thought you were, when we were able to point to a specific Docker file in order time, each time, but yeah, that's fine. We can check it. Okay, so yeah, what is a follow up actually shipping Docker images for stable? But should it be? Yeah, I see what you mean. Because I'm actually wondering if we should, is this your meaning? Okay, experimental will be the other one. My natural history. Yeah, if you want, you can just take over and screen share. Because for now, I don't want, I don't think there's anything private or whatever, but I'm looking at the configuration right now. So I don't want to expose without willing it the secrets or whatever. Okay. I'm wondering about the idea to publish Docker images for stable branch. So this is, you know, new image published every comment, right? It depends every pipeline run. So it means that each pipeline run, it can produce Docker images. Right, which would definitely be useful for both LTS testing and perhaps even supplement image we push during release. So that's definitely an interesting addition. Now I'm wondering, is there a way to prevent customers to be confused? Because right now it's just, you know, it would mean that as I do back porting and as I pushing it for testing, it can publish images that are not yet to the stable. Right, so people are not confused that this is the actual release. Yeah, here's the advantage of JAPT-17 because we create new experimental Jenkins organization on Docker. So it means that these releases will not go to the official organization. Now we call it Jenkins for eval, but yeah, we plan to rename it according to the discussion. The ball is on my side, I believe. But yeah, what we have here, we already have some images. For example, this one being produced by Durgadar, said this. And for example, there is experimental Glotion support. This is Java 11 image for Glotion. There are experimental remoting builds, et cetera, et cetera. And we can actually create more experimental flows as a reference implementations for this job. It hasn't been completed, but from user perspective, it will be safe until we know about this organization. Yes, that would be great. Mm-hmm. Okay, so yeah, this job is under review, but it's in the scope of the platform seek. We just didn't discuss it since the last meeting. But yeah, it's okay. Thank you. Okay. So we have a few minutes left. Do we have any other topics to discuss? I don't have a question. Go ahead. I had a question on the tags that we will use to describe Java 11 in the weekly. Today there's slim and Alpine, we've said no, but there's a tag for slim and one for LTS and one for latest. How will JDK 11 be represented in that? So it's also reflected in JET 211. Oh, I can just read the JET. Yeah, you can read the JET, but effectively our main branch is called JDK 11. So Jenkins JDK 11 is a baseline and we have other images. For example, if we decide to have sentos here, it would be sentos-jdk11. LTS-sentos-jdk11, which may become a bit complex, but yeah, this is what we would have. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, that's really part we'll start when we decide to switch the default image to Java 11 from Java 8, then we will have some fun, but we haven't reached this point yet. And actually we will need to talk about when we want to do that, but I believe not in the next few months. Yeah, I am actually considering to do this for Evergreen. It might be a way to do that first and have a subset of test because in Evergreen as people might not know or may know, we have a set, exact set, fixed set of plugins that are installed, so it's quite easier to know what we want to test and then make sure things are still working. But yeah, we can probably bump it there first because it's also designed by design, supposed to be always up to date for everything and then kind of ramp it up for the Jenkins Core itself. Yeah. I would imagine that what you're saying is something we will need, must do like in like one year from now or something because at some point we're going to have to go, you know, above the JVTK8. Not saying we will disubport JVTK8, but at least yes, the default JVTK install with the Docker image at some point might be that, yeah. Now, how we are going to communicate that to users so that they don't have an automated bump and screw up internal things or custom plugins, that's another story, but yeah. Yeah, it may be fun and there are still some open questions. For example, yeah, we've had serious issues with DBM, Shopify 1588. Yeah. So we might want to change the default image in Java 11. Absolutely. And it would be better to do it before we make Java 11 default in Docker. Yeah, I have expressed that length on the notes. I linked the issue on Evergreen side, but basically it probably applies to Jenkins too. Basically, I tried to explain the full reasoning behind the switch to CentOS and basically I said there that that's my opinion, that that's not really shared, but yeah, like DBM or Ubuntu have not shown. And again, that's coming from originally DBM fine, fine boy. Nowadays they didn't show really a lot of empathy towards running Java applications basically. So Java short fire 1588 as, and the other one on Ubuntu as Mark was saying, basically installing a JDK 10 when you're installing a JDK 11, what could go wrong? So yeah, a lot of things this way that show that I'm not sure and unfortunately that DBM and Ubuntu are platforms where there's enough developers that actually care about Java in general. So yeah. Yeah. So maybe we could even talk about submission with default image before we go to GE. I think in that we have no test automation for Docker images at all. Yeah, maybe we could just change, but I don't have strong opinions about it. I guess for now it's fine until we have a new backboard that goes wrong on DBM. Or the alternative might be to just say, okay, we don't switch the OS right now, but instead of using the distribution packaging system, we basically W get directly the open JDK build from the adopt open JDK server or from somewhere else and decompress on the disk instead of using the base package system. That might be an intermediate way to do things, but yeah. I think it will be interesting to have CentOS as an alternative image. So like we provide Sleem and Alpine for Java 8, we could also start providing CentOS for both Java 8 and Java 11. And then we can migrate at some point. That might sound indeed like a kind of almost a required path to try and ramp up things progressively instead of saying, okay, we switch everything and nobody had ever a simple way to test things. Yeah. So I proposed to just a topic about CentOS images at the next meeting. So yeah, maybe we could talk about it and maybe just do it. Yeah, maybe in the meantime, I think we could have an action item to surface and have that idea discussed like publicly on the dev list maybe because yes, I know we have a mailing list for the SIG, but I'm like, well, this is maybe something we want to socialize more than just in the internal, kind of internal, even if it's public, but there's not the same level of not the same amount of people there basically. I can handle that action item if you think people hear that it makes some sense. We try to socialize that idea that we would during the long term to switch the base image basically. Or do you want to, do you think it's better to just for now wait until the next meeting? No, I mean that if you start discussion in advance, it would be a good advantage for us. Yeah, that's why I'm proposing that, yeah, because then on the next meeting, we have more data to chew and actually possibly, maybe not, but feedback from people saying good arguments why it makes sense or why it doesn't or why it's dangerous or whatever. Okay, and yeah, you have one minute left. Okay, so I'll do that then. Yeah, thanks a lot. Do we have any other topics to discuss? I got 10 seconds to be on time. That's absolutely great. Bye-bye. Okay. Cheers. Cheers. I'll see you in two weeks.


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minute to reflect on everything that we've done so far this year and and be excited about our accomplishments and look to what we're going to be doing in the future. So congratulations to all that you guys have accomplished and all that you'll accomplish moving forward. I appreciate your support. General Raymond, I'm certain appreciates all of our support as we're moving forward because we certainly couldn't do this without all of the efforts that are ongoing and there are many many many ongoing I can assure you. So what have we been doing lately? So this is our birthday month. I kind of joke about that you know Sunday's our birthday, December 20th, but this is kind of our birthday month, right? And so for the last few weeks we've been kind of celebrating through a few initiatives and we thought Space Force thought what a better, better, good way what is the best way that we can celebrate our first birthday and we came up with let's give back to the community. So we've been hard at work here around our local community given back and as well as everybody else around the nation. So one of the first things that we were doing was called de-stember. I got coined term coined by General Raymond and the OXO staff up there at Pentagon where we have been out in the schools across the whole of the United States and in the last three weeks we've been in schools in every single state engaging with you know fourth, fifth, sixth graders talking about STEM, science, technology, engineering and math because it's super important to what we could do now and what we're going to be doing even more so in the future. So we've been talking with students, we've been meeting with kids, they're excited about it, they're excited about what's going on in space, I can't even tell you. If you haven't been out doing this at these events with the kids do it, do it. I did it yesterday, probably one of the best things I've done since I've been on active duty, it was a lot of fun. So we've been partnering here on our base for de-stember events with Starbase Maxwell. We have Catherine Ganster over here. She's the director of Starbase Maxwell. Thank you so much for all of your support these last couple of months and we'll continue, I hope to support you guys doing these events in the future. So we've been working that with Starbase Maxwell. We met with nine classes in the last three weeks. We've met with over 80 students. So that's pretty cool. It's a good accomplishment for us. I think that we've probably reached out to, I'll say, we've reached out to more schools than anybody else in all the other states. So maybe we have, but I'm just gonna say that that's what we have. All right, so we've also been doing other community service events and one of the big events that we wanted to do was, how can we give back to a specific student? And so we thought about that. We thought we are in a great area of the nation and we're super lucky because right up the street we have a space camp up in Huntsville. And so we thought let's, as space professionals, get together and raise some money to send a kid to space camp. A student, a local student, a deserving student that's excited about space, that's excited about science, technology, engineering, and math that wants to study this in the future and send them to space camp. And so how could we do that? We would just start raising funds to do that. We're still in the process of raising funds, but today we've selected one student to go to space camp. The really cool thing is this student couldn't be with us. However, all of the schools that submitted nominations for this are online, they're all watching. And so the student that we're about to announce, he doesn't know that he got picked. So he's watching right now with his classmates, and he's going to find out as you guys find out who got picked. So I'm super excited. These students, we went out to the local communities and we said, hey, we want to do this, we would like for you to talk to your kids, let them submit a paragraph or a picture. We got a number of different artifacts of why they wanted to go to space camp. And then we've asked some really awesome, awesome responses to include the one we picked, obviously. So I'm about ready to announce this. Catherine, you ready? Here we go, right? We also, by the way, I also want to say that we have partnered with Space Force Association. Mr. Bill Wolfe has been fantastic helping us with this event as well. And we'll continue to part with them in the future. So amongst us all, we're all happy to say that the winner of our scholarship to send a child to space camp this summer comes from Miss Glover's class.


BOOM! We're live! Okay. Momshake by Del is a think-tank, Aloha United, we stand here on Thursday at noon, 12 o'clock, rock, every single Thursday. At Aloha United Way, we support 242-some odd charities in the state of Hawaii, all doing good work, all hand-picked, hand-selected, careful, you know, reflection of the needs of the community. They send down people like Community Clearinghouse, which is part of Helping Hands Hawaii. Okay, and today we have to my left, Maria Vaughn, she's the Community Clearinghouse warehouse supervisor, and to her left, James Lee, program manager. Welcome to the show, you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you for having us. Well, how did you get into Community Clearinghouse and Helping Hands? Well, I actually have a pretty personal story with Helping Hands Hawaii. I actually started off as a case manager quite some time ago, but when I started with the agency, after my contract ended, I loved the agency so much that I came back. Wow. When the position was open while I was still volunteering, of course. That's a great statement. You're dedicated by definition. Yeah, so I mean it's a great agency to work for, and I mean we're partners with Aloha United Way, so the agency itself does a lot of great work out in the community. James, how about you? For me, my journey actually also began as a volunteer, so I started volunteering with the agency, looking for a job, and I eventually was hire on as a temporary worker, but then slowly, you know, fell in love with the work, fell in love with the people. So definitely, I think as a company we share a passion in serving our community, of course, working with people. Okay, I'm really impressed. You know, with dedication. So you said, passion for serving community, how exactly do you serve the community? Well, as an agency, helping Hands of IE, we serve the community in many different ways. Specifically, in the community at Clearinghouse, we provide material goods. There are other programs that operate out at the Clearinghouse, of course, that provides different aspects of assistance. Is to provide families and those who are struggling, whether they be individuals or elderly or family with children, with resources, so that they might continue on their path to achieve self-sufficiency and prosperity. So that says that they do not have self-sufficiency at the moment you first have contact with them. They are disadvantaged in some way. Sure. And you're going to provide them quote material goods, I want to explore that, to help them on their path to self-sufficiency. How do you do that? Well, through... As any nonprofit will tell you, community collaboration is a huge aspect of our work. So we work with a network of providers that we regularly connect with that identifies these families that are already doing such good works in the community in many different areas. And they identify these families and they provide us with a referral to come through the warehouse. Many of our different programs that provide different types of services in a way of housing and rental utility assistance in a way of providing behavioral health services are all interconnected within the agency so that we may identify these families and assist them in a holistic manner. So you are the manager, the program manager of Community Clearinghouse or Helping Hands. Tell me the hierarchy of it. So Helping Hands of IU is our agency. Community Clearinghouse is one of our programs, specifically in the Human Services Division. Under Helping Hands of IU we also have a behavioral health division which provides specialized services in the way of mental health. Also we have a bilingual access line which provides language access and services. So you control other programs aside from this one with the community clearinghouse. Okay, let's turn to you, Maria. Maria, and the hard goods department.  I have this vision I have this vision of Amazon warehouse and goes on for miles. What is it like to warehouse? Actually pretty close. If you walk into our location on Nimitz there and you walk into the warehouse it is literally high 10 roofs, high ceiling. We've got roll-up doors and you'll see the items donated to us by members of the community. So you'll see clothes, you'll see furniture, beds, stressors, chairs. We also have a small food pantry and on a day-to-day basis you can see the hustle and bustle of the warehouse from donors dropping off donated items to clients coming in to checking in for their appointments as well. Wow, that's pretty interesting. So the warehouse is filled with donated items. That's what it amounts to. Yes. Including some food. Yes. The hustle and bustle is the people who are looking to deliver those items but you also deliver those items. You have a staff that delivers those items for the people who need them. Unfortunately, we have limited resources. So what we do provide, however, is a pickup service for our donors where we can go out and pick up donated items. In the case of delivery of goods we actually recently partnered with Halimaliola who helps housing first clients move into units. So in that capacity we do offer drop-off of the donated items. We find that a lot of our clients their struggle with coming into the warehouse for services is the delivery component. Many of these families are low income, very limited, homeless, and so therefore they don't have the means to transport a lot of these items. Many families who are able to bring in vehicles are families who have relatives or friends who perhaps have a truck who help them. But the majority of the time the difficulty lies with the delivery of the goods. So how do you, well, two questions by the way, I'm curious about warehouse because warehouse says to me, it says tech. You can't organize a warehouse without tech. What kind of tech do you have to organize the warehouse? So currently right now a lot of our technology that we hope to install are things such as like POS systems, point of cell systems to help us inventory, categorize. You can tell me what's in the warehouse right now. Right now we don't have that inventory. I can give you general categories at the moment in terms of the items that we receive. However, in terms of actual details, in terms of amounts, quality, things of that nature when it came in, I can't give you exact details of those quite yet. Is that something you're looking to do? Yes. We definitely are looking to improve that system. One of the possible ways to do that off the top of my head was a POS system hoping to categorize those items better so that we have the appropriate information for a lot of our donors as well as clients. You know, last Saturday it was a kickoff on a program called HAC, H-A-C-C. It's organized by DBED, Department of Business Education Business Economic Development and Tourism in the government, state government. And this is a month-long hackathon where these young millennial type, computer programmer type people sit in May programs. Many of them are making programs for nonprofits. A month is enough time to really get some traction on building a program. I'm not sure there's time for you to enter that, but it's something you ought to check up on because they might give you a free services and create a program that will help you in the warehouse. Definitely. That sounds awesome. Any help we can get? Yeah, sure. Okay, and then you have distribution systems and so you probably have to identify who's the door, who's coming around so they don't take advantage of you in any way. Yes. Because they could come Monday get stuff, come Tuesday get stuff and be selling it around the outside. Yes, yes. We definitely do have things in place, policies, procedures in place where we in a sense do a check. Make sure that people who are in need are receiving the services that we can provide but at the same time to ensure that the services and the goodwill of our donors are not being taken advantage of at the same time. It's a matter of integrity for the program to ensure that. You don't want to be involved in a program with a trapdoor. Definitely not. Definitely not. So goodwill, you use the word goodwill and it reminds me of goodwill industry. Goodwill industry says put your stuff on the street, we'll pick it up and take it down and give it to the right people. So this is kind of like that, right? Similar. Very similar system except we don't sell our items. Our items go back to our clients entirely free of charge and we really depend on our partners to appropriately check their clients. We do a verification process on our site to ensure that the clients do qualify according to the Federal Property Guidelines and any other things that they have to abide by before they come in for the actual appointment. If I wanted to make a donation to this community clearinghouse division, so to speak of helping hands, how would I do that? I would take my stuff that I don't need where I think that might be useful for somebody else and I would put it in my car and drive it down to your warehouse on Nimitz. Nimitz on St. Island Road, yeah? Yes. And I would say, Maria, I'm here. How would that work? So our donation drop-offs were open Monday through Friday at 8 a.m. to 4 30. Donors can drop in any time. I do have a staff who sits in the front. Her name is Pula. She'll be able to help you and check you in, give as much assistance as she can and then if the donor yourself require a donation receipt, and we do have that in the front for you to fill out as well. Okay, okay, that's really valuable. What's your website, though? People can look this up. Sure. www.helpinghandshawaii.org Okay, excellent. And your phone, can I call too and check up? Sure. You can actually call anytime at 440-3800. And actually with that number, you can also call to arrange the donation pickup. So if the donor has bulky items for an event, things like that, we can try to accommodate by doing the pickup for the donor. This includes everything, furniture? My goodness, anything in the world. Do you ever say no? Do you ever say, please not? Yes, yes. Unfortunately, there are certain items that we aren't able to take, whether it may need due to safety reasons, we aren't equipped with the staff to appropriately assess the condition of these items. Things such as car seats, medical equipment, things that potentially are demographic might not need such as pianos. Most of our families are no... Most of our families are moving into small units or they're needing very basic items. For example, beds. The highest demand item that I get constantly are beds. Because they have no money, they're moving in, there's no place to sleep, they don't have any furniture. A bed would really be helpful. Yes, the level of request for beds to the point where I'm constantly calling to see who out there has beds. Beds, beds, anybody beds.  I need to get in. Can we get a bed? I can't keep the beds on the floor, you know, quick stocked, you know, enough for the clients who come in on the day-to-day basis. Now some of your clients come in, they don't know exactly what they need. They can't match things up because they don't know exactly what's in this warehouse and they don't even know what they actually need. So do you talk to them? Do you say, you know, let's see your circumstances and see if we can match up what we think you might need with what we have here as you go through that? Definitely. So the first part of contact is with their own case manager so that the case manager can assess what it is that they need when they come into us. I always tell them when we check them in, they have about a half an hour or so to shop. We leave them alone. Let them walk around. Yeah, let them walk around, let them get their shopping cart. Is that right? Yeah, give them the dignity right. It's not like Costco. The dignity to pretty much choose their own items and people don't question you. It's what you like, go for it. You know, you've already done the proper process. But the checkout, so to speak, I know it's not really a checkout. Sure. You ever say, you know, do you really need that? Are you over stocking here? We do, we do. And as I mentioned earlier, we do have a policy in place and the staff is awesome about being mindful of what the clients take and making sure that it matches up to what is, it's reflective of what's on the application. That's Maria Vaughan. She's with Community Clearinghouse, a part of Helping Hands and James Lee is here with us. He's a program manager for that program. We'll take a short break. We're going to come back and we're going to talk to James about the landscape of nonprofits and charitable organizations in Hawaii. Hey, how you doing? Welcome to the Bachi Talk. My name is Andrew Lanning. I'm your co-host. And we have a nice program here every Friday at 1 o'clock on Think Tech Studios where we talk about technology and we have a little bit of fun with it. So join us if you can. Thanks. Aloha. Hello, I'm Crystal from Quok Talk. I've got a new show here. You've got to tune in, check out my topics on sensitive, provocative, female issues. So Tuesday mornings, 10 o'clock, don't miss it, it's going to be fun and dangerous. Hi, I'm Keely Akina, president of the Grass Root Institute. I'd love you to join us every week Mondays at 2 o'clock p.m. for Ehana Kako. Let's work together. We report every week on the good things going on in our state as well as the better things that can go on in the future. We have guests covering everything from the economy, the government and society. See you Mondays on Ehana Kako at 2 o'clock p.m. Until then, I'm Keely Akina. Aloha. Bingo, we're back. We're back with Maria Vaughn and James Lee of Community Clearing House, part of Helping Hands. So during the break, that's why we do these breaks, you know, regroup. We had a discussion about exactly where is the warehouse. It sounds like a game or something. Where is the warehouse? So maybe we didn't describe it accurately before. Where is the warehouse? They get there. Oh, sure. So we're located 2100 North Nimitz Highway. We're right at the intersection of Nimitz and Puhu Halle. So if you're familiar with that area, it's about a block over from Sand Island that we mentioned earlier. There's actually a two-story McDonald's there. So we're right across the street. I know that McDonald's.  Immediately go to that McDonald's and you find out everybody in the place is doing the same thing. Yes. We're right there, one of the four corners. We are entrance, however, though. It's a little bit on the back. So on the backside of the building. So you're going to have to turn on Puhu Halle to get into our property. Okay. All right, James, let's focus on you. Okay. Let's look at the larger picture. First, what kind of other programs do you operate at Helping Hands? Myself, personally. So I am a program manager in the Human Services Division. The Human Services Division assists with basic needs, what we consider basic needs. So Community Clearinghouse, of course, provides material goods. I also manage the SNAP Community Outreach Program, which is an outreach program for public benefit specifically for SNAP. That's the one I had heard of. I think it's well-known, yeah. Yeah, so we do outreach work for people who are potentially eligible for SNAP, people who may be phasing access barriers for one reason or another, whether it's, you know, the language barrier or because you're disabled and you're lack mobility, you're unable to seek the benefit. So we, you know, try to bridge that gap in providing that service for people. So you say SNACs. SNAP. Oh, SNAP. Yeah, SNAP. What's a SNAP? SNAP is an acronym for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, which is a newer term for systems. It's more important than a SNAC. Or you can get SNACs with SNAP. Okay. Now, what about the comparison with Meals on Wheels? Is there still a Meals on Wheels? Well, Meals on Wheels provides actual meals, hot meals that are delivered to the families and individuals. SNAP is a benefit, it's a federal benefit, you know, it's another word for food stamps. Basically, it's issue to the individual or family that they can, you know, go and do grocery shopping themselves. It's a fund that gets recharged where you can utilize to buy groceries and unprepared food. So you're not having inventory of food? No. This is a safe way. Right. So we are assisting with the acquisition and maintenance of the benefit. An administrative task. Right. Because we find that in doing outreach, a lot of the time people are aware that the program exists and know that the resource is out there. They either have difficulty accessing the resources or they're not able to stay on it for very long because of access barriers, like mobility, not having a point of contact for our transient population. Physically can't get down and use the food stamps. Exactly. And that's a real difficulty. And, you know, to, you know, bigger issues of being in areas where there are lack access points, you know, there's no places where you can get to. Provide folks with the most updated information about who qualifies and who doesn't actually assist in the application process in providing assistance and information about most recent changes about the program. Providing our transient population a consistent point of contact. Is that a homeless? Homeless population who don't have typically a consistent point of contact, you know, you may lose your phone today and have a contact number the other day or don't have a regular place to receive mail. We try to meet the community at their location, at their environment, you know, and this includes... You get out and go and talk to them. Exactly. And this includes forming community partnerships, agencies that operate drop-in center, food pantries, actually being at those locations and meeting the community. Yeah. Oh, that's very important. So, but essentially it's a federal program. You're administering a federal program. And does the state get involved in this? Does the state supports this program too? Right. So, to clarify it, SNAP is a federally funded benefit, but it's operated on the state level by the Department of Human Services. Okay. So, we are contracted from the Department of Human Services to conduct outreach activities. Okay. How important is that in the larger picture of helping hands? It sounds like it's a really important thing because it's where people eat. Yep. And eating, as I last understood, is really important. Absolutely.  So, food resources, material goods, financial resources, all place into the big picture of helping an individual and a family to achieve self-sufficiency. Yeah. Now, the implication you're giving is that somebody down and out, somebody's homeless, I mean, maybe it's the same thing these days, and you're going to help them achieve self-sufficiency. So, and self-sufficiency, I take it, is to have a place, have a bed that's important, too.  Two jobs are good. Absolutely. So, you help in all of this continuum, all of these elements, to get them from the street, from being, you know, down and out to a more ordinary life, yeah? Yeah. So, what other functions do you perform in this way? Well, really, as you said, Jay, is a part of a larger continuum. And achieving self-sufficiency while that being the end goal, we may not necessarily see it a lot of the time in providing that services. And that really speaks to the importance, once again, to the community collaborations. Whatever we are not able to do, we make sure that we help individuals be aware of and get to agencies that are able to provide that type of services. So, you refer them out? Absolutely. If you find they need something on this road to self-sufficiency that you don't have, then you're going to refer them to another agency. Absolutely. And that's the collaboration you're talking about. You know, it's kind of a blur, but every single week we talk to some of the charities who are associated in some way, some more than others, you know, with the Law United Way. And it's a blur because a lot of them are really dedicated to the same thing. And I like your thoughts about that. I mean, is it working efficiently? Is this the way the charitable community has to work, where everybody sort of takes a whack at the same problem and they talk to each other and they see if they can coordinate, but in fact, you have agency, agency, agency, agency dedicated to, you know, helping the same people in the same way. But different somehow. Yeah. How does that work? Well, I think it's definitely a work in progress, but it's definitely a place that we want to get to, is when everybody can come together and work together as opposed to, you know, being territorial and being competitive. That's who we need to avoid, yeah. Right, right.  And we want that. We want people to be good at what they do. But at the same time, we need to recognize the importance of coming together and sharing resources, especially in the nonprofit industry where, you know, managing limited resources is kind of an ongoing and constant challenge. Yeah. So we want to get everybody into the mindset of doing that. And I think, you know, over the years we're not quite where we want to be, but we are making in terms of what? In terms of getting everybody on the same page and, you know, the whole collaborative mindset. Yeah. But I think, you know, indications is that we have some great strides, you know, with Aloha United Way bringing agencies together with, you know, groups like Partners in Care that are bringing agencies together to work on issues of homelessness. So there are more and more, you know, community collaboratives that are coming up. Yeah, I'm really happy that you're sensitive to these issues. What do you do, James, if you find, for example, that another agency with which, you know, we may or may not collaborate with is doing pretty much the same. Is there an MO and how you deal with that? Do you call up and say, look, you're doing the same thing we're doing. Can't we collaborate and avoid duplication of effort? Does that happen? Absolutely. And that is inherent to our, you know, procurement process that we're, that when we seek, you know, projects or funds to feel areas of need, that is obviously the first thing that we look at as an agency is whether or not there is a need. Not whether or not there is a need in the community, but whether or not there is a need for us to be serving on this particular issue. So that goes into part of the research about, you know, who is already serving this type of topics or areas in the community and whether or not our efforts will be of duplicative in that sense. Yeah. You know, I've come to the conclusion over time that that we don't want government. We want to minimize government's involvement on the front line. You know, we want Maria running that warehouse. We do not want the government running that warehouse. It will be a lot better if Maria is running the warehouse than if the government is running the warehouse. You know, it's just the operators, the ones at the front and the ones that have the actual contact with the beneficiaries of these organizations. They got to be non-profit.  So that, you know, to me, that's just something I've learned in my own ethic on the matter. But then within the non-profit world, which is a hard world, as you mentioned, always looking for money, always trying to find volunteers, always trying to keep it going, you know, for this visionary thing of trying to help people, this is not easy. And I commend you both on being involved in that industry. It's really important. It's important in Hawaii for sure. But there's two, there's a breakdown of two levels. One of the operators who run warehouses and actually deal with people. And the other are the administrators who keep it all together, who do the collaboration, right? Who create the priorities who raise the money. It sounds like you're in that level of activity and there are many of you. And I guess the question I put to you is who is leading that? Should we have government leading that? Nah. What do we do to keep everything coordinated? I think every party has to be involved, definitely from the community, but definitely funders, government entities as you mentioned. But I think what is more important is that there to be a feedback loop. We are, I believe more tuned with the population and the need of the community. And it's important for us to have a venue to voice that feedback and get that information back to the funders and report our work and our finding accurately so that they can appropriate the resources hopefully back to us to do the work. So it once again is that collaborative effort not just side to side but top to bottom as well to provide that information. So I know you guys come you come with notes you've been thinking about as you talk about it. You talk to your colleagues about it. They like to get a message out, okay? So I want to offer you this last part of the show here, you know, a minute maybe each of you to get, you know, there must be something you wanted to talk about in real, but you never had the chance. This is your big opportunity. Face that camera and tell them what you wanted to tell them. Okay, well I really actually wanted to also discuss about our seasonal programs that we run out of the community clearing house. We have our school supply program where we assisted I believe we made about 8,000 kits or so, 8,500 kits for children of low-income families. So that just wrapped up and we are actually gearing up for our Christmas holiday program Adopt a Family. So be on the lookout for all communications in regard to that seasonal program. Thank you, Maria. Okay, James Lee, what do you leave them with? Well, I think Maria pretty much did my part about promoting the seasonal program that is coming up, but I just want to thank Tech for the opportunity for us to be here today. I want to thank Aloha United Way for providing support to agencies like ourselves and thank you everybody. Excellent, you guys are great.  You're both healthy. Thank you very much, James, Maria. Thank you for having us.


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Hey everybody it's Robin with Creativity RV and this is not a rant. Now if I filmed this a couple of days ago it may have sounded a little bit sharper maybe something like a rant because after I released my tour video on Sunday I was taken a little off guard by some of the comments. I had already filmed this video but I'm redoing it today because I wanted to make sure I addressed all the questions that you had including why I switched to a fifth wheel exactly how the money worked out I'm going to give you the specifics and I'm going to answer a lot of the other common questions like am I still single am I quitting YouTube am I just parked somewhere am I still going to boondock how the slides work how the cat's doing and more and then at the end I might have a word for the haters first of all I'm going to tell you guys why I switched from a class seat to a fifth wheel and by the way if you're wondering why the blinds are closed it's because it's um 4 20 in the morning it's still dark outside the reason I switched to a fifth wheel is because my camping style just evolved and I started out in a b-plus and then I went to a c and then I decided on a fifth wheel and here's why I was spending a lot more time actually camping than I was driving and one time my friend badge said to me and I'll link his channel below he's great he said well do you want to live or do you want to travel I didn't know what he meant but I was like yeah sure live travel and then I thought about it and I got what he was saying if your camping style is to move on frequently or you know let's say you want to travel the whole country in a short amount of time then a smaller rig is great for me I had a smaller rig but I was spending 10 days or two weeks at a campsite and I'm full time I have a cat sometimes I have somebody with me and I'm working long hours at a computer inside my rig and it just wasn't working for me if you are new to my channel you might notice that on my logo it says why how and where because I am not trying to promote one style of camping I'm trying to help anybody who just wants to get on the road and change their life for the better you know I like to say that living full-time in an RV is just another housing option and like all other housing options there's going to be all kinds of different styles and budgets and people out there if you've been following me for a while then you've heard me say Camp Like You I actually did a video last year called Camp Like You where I talked about all the clicks in the nomadic community especially on YouTube it's like the van people don't like the RV people and the RV people don't like the schooly people and so on and I don't get it I think that your rig changes with your life I interviewed a group of women from RV women last year and I talked to a lady there that had been full-time on the road for 30 years and she told me she'd been in every conceivable type of rig and I was like wow really she said yeah truck camper bumper pole van class A class C class B she had done it all because she had different needs in her life and that's what happened with me I'm not saying I'm going to be in a fifth wheel forever I don't know if all of a sudden I got the urge to travel more then I might go back to a van or a sprinter van or build something out or I might build out a school year something like that someday when I have the time to actually do it this time I needed a rig I needed a house I needed a place to live and this fit my needs and my budget I'll get to that so if you want to be in a class C or a van or whatever it is that's good for you I support your choice I think that one of the benefits of this life is that you can have the widest range of available options to get you where you want to go towards your own personal happiness or whatever it is and then you can look at all of those options with you know confidence and wisdom and try and choose the right ones for you and in a year you know reevaluate because life changes life just changes and it changed for me so that's what happened that's why I chose a fifth wheel now really quick let me tell you the evolution of this because when I first got on the road as some of you know I had never driven an RV in my life until I flew out to pick the one up that I bought in South Dakota and so the idea of towing something to me was like terrifying I had never towed anything I'd never driven anything even remotely as big as a 25 foot RV so I didn't consider getting like a bumper pull trailer or a fifth wheel at that point but when I realized that the rig that I had wasn't working for me and I did have problems with the rig I'll tell you about that in a second around that time I was camping at a harvest house location in Oregon and this fifth wheel pulled it next to me now I didn't know at the time that that was their second trip and I'm sorry guys I don't remember your names if you see this hey you changed everything for me but I saw this guy back in the solitude he had and he literally went and the thing went up and he unhitched his truck and it went and then the leveling jacks came out and that was it if that was it I convinced myself that it was really hard to unhook and hook up a fifth wheel now I'm still new at it and I'm still learning I'll tell you about that in a minute too but it kind of opened my eyes and then I saw the inside and I was like what come on then it just so happens that a friend of mine wrecked his fifth wheel and it's somebody that I trust and admire and he got a solitude he didn't tell me until after I made my choice because he wanted me to make my own choice but um that seemed like serendipity to me so some of you had comments about the fifth wheel like I can't stealth camp anymore I'm gonna have worse gas mileage I can't fit into the same campsites true all true and I took it all into consideration so I only stealth camped in my first rig my second rig the classy I couldn't stealth camp in really I did it a couple times but I didn't feel um as stealthy in that one but I only was doing that a few days and somebody else said oh you can't camp at the golden gate bridge anymore because I did that and um that's true but those things were like 10 days out of my year most of the time I'm driving out into beautiful natural places down some dirt road and staying there for a couple of weeks so the trade-off for me was that I lose those things and I get worse gas mileage but I have a better living space for me and hey I camp for you know 10 days two weeks and then maybe I drive three hours five hours seven hours and I camp again so the gas mileage is definitely going to be worse but to me it was worth it I know some of you have questions about what happened with my Tiffin and um I had problems now every rig is going to have problems my issue in my Tiffin couldn't be fixed at a local dealership and it had to be sent back to the factory in Alabama so some of you asked about my garden I had to get rid of the garden so that Tiffin could take my rig and I didn't know how long they were going to have it and they certainly weren't going to water my plants right and at that point you know I had to give up something like that and I was really sick of having to give up my whole life my house and my car and my office every time I had a problem like this so that was already wearing on me but then when I got it back I decided that um that was not the right rig for me and I'm just going to leave it at that I will say however since I know a lot of you guys listen to you know my channel and other channels while you're trying to decide what kind of a rig to get I will say that I liked my first sprinter mercedes sprinter I've had the mercedes sprinter twice once on my b plus and once on my c and um I've heard other people complain about the sprinter they're expensive to fix but they get great gas mileage and if I had um the desire to build out a van I would absolutely consider a sprinter for the chassis but for me personally as a consumer I would not get like a b or a c on a mercedes sprinter again only because they don't carry a lot of weight and the manufacturers of course want to make them attractive with bathrooms and big tanks and nice kitchens and tv's and all that stuff but since they don't carry a lot of weight my feeling is that weight has to come from somewhere and I wonder you know behind all the bills and whistles um where that weight is coming from and I can tell you that when the guy pulled up next to me in that berry farm one of the problems I was having was with a slide and he pulled out his slide next to my slide and my slide looked like um a go kart slide I had the difference in the thickness of the materials and the thickness of the rubber and the seal and all that stuff I was like what it was just astounding okay the next question I got a lot was about the truck what do I need to pull this thing now I'll tell you we actually fell in love with a 41 foot fifth wheel but I wasn't going to go that big 35 was about the smallest that I saw that had a floor plan that worked for me to safely pull this rig I really needed uh like a 350 so I got a Ford f350 I could have gotten away with a 250 which would have been less expensive but I would have been at the max for the weight limit and I'm telling you guys after having the b in the c I wanted to be heavy I'm just going to be honest um those rigs were tall and light and so in the wind they were not fun to drive and I did a lot of research about either a trailer or a fifth wheel I liked how the fifth wheel maneuvered better and that the weight went into the back of the truck and um how it hitched up and unhitched I had to get the truck that went with that and I went with an f350 dually which I'm telling you when I go down the road people are like what's that little gray hair an old lady doing in the f350 dually again you guys I'm going to tell you in just a second how the money worked out but I needed to get a truck that I felt safe with that was the thing and that if I wanted to switch out my rig later again and get a different trailer or a different fifth wheel I could easily do that with the same truck and before I hit the money part I'm going to address one quick question that I got a few times in the comments which is that maybe I'm not safe because I'm inside my rig and I'd have to go outside my rig to get my truck to drive away I think a lady actually said and I quote I thought solo women weren't supposed to do that so look when I first got my first two rigs absolutely that was a consideration for me it was also a consideration in my choice but I have not had a problem when I get to a spot if I feel like it's sketchy at all I leave and if you guys have watched any of my past videos like no fear here I've said that my rig and now my rig in my truck are like home alone 2.0 I'm not naive I'm not dumb about the dangers out there but somebody would have a problem with me that's all I'm going to say I decided that this was a good choice for me I'll tell you I did consider this in my last rigs you know you have to unlevel you have to put in the slides you have to start the car you have to get away with this if I can make it to the truck I can peel out I don't have to worry about bringing up the leveling jacks or bringing on the slides so you never know what could happen but I just wanted to address that question okay let's talk about the elephant in the room let's talk about the money now most of the comments that I was surprised by were the ones that were kind of clicky you know like that's not an okay kind of a rig those kind of comments but the other ones were that I must be rich and that this was too glamorous of a vehicle and I must be a one percenter I you know I'll tell you I'm either really bad at math or I'm not a one percenter so I'm going to tell you guys exactly how the money worked out and here's the fact this rig my new fifth wheel was way less expensive than my last rig was I bought the class C it was a 2019 I knew exactly what I could get it for and by the way I did a video called cruise don't lose which was three months of research on how to determine if you're buying or selling at the best rate if you need that information go back and look at that because I knew what I could get that rig for I got a great deal on the tiffin when I went to trade in the tiffin I got for my trade $5,000 less than what I paid for it so I guess you can look at that as if I took a $5,000 loss but it wasn't 30% it was like 4% that was the loss that I took and for me that's a lot less than I would have paid to live in a house so I paid $5,000 to use that tiffin for a year and then the tiffin cost so much more than this new rig that I got essentially 24 grand back so I carefully considered the budget the lifestyle everything I did have to pay for some stuff that I didn't want to like taxes and insurance and registration on two vehicles now instead of one but when I took everything into consideration that was okay because I knew it was the right thing for me so essentially I traded in my tiffin and got a big check back which I used for the truck so you guys it was pretty much a wash except that one of the reasons that I wanted to get a fifth wheel was because I wanted to get a massive amount of solar Doug and I were walking around the RTR last year and we passed this guy with a remote control on his hand and he was pointing it at his fifth wheel and this just bank of solar panels came up on a tilt and we had to go over and talk to him and he gave us a tour of his fifth wheel and I was like wow I could only fit 400 watts of solar on my last rig and there was only room for two batteries underneath the steps and they couldn't be lithium so I am getting a whopper solar system put on because I'm a boondocker in the long run it does save me money because I don't pay to be in campgrounds very often that answers the next question which is are you still going to boondock some people thought that I wasn't going to be able to boondock in this rig look you guys this thing is going to be a boondocking champ I know lots of friends who have similar vehicles I've interviewed a lot of nomads that boondock just fine and I went through all of my favorite boondocking camping spots that I've been to I would say there are two that I wouldn't go to in this rig and frankly those two I had no business going to in my other rigs because the roads were too rough all of my favorite places no problem I can go in this rig the next question I got is are you just parked did you just buy a house to park why didn't you just buy a house well I've always said this is my house and no I have not gone off the road I'm not full timing in an RV park I have been in one space for about six weeks now I'll explain that to you guys later but it was just because of logistics and travel and the TED Talk and family over the holidays but pretty soon I'm heading back out to boondock in this thing and I cannot wait no I'm not quitting YouTube I'm not going off the road and yes I'm still solo when I decided to get this rig I had to make sure it was good for me alone and it would be good if I was with another person on the road Doug is not with me on the road Doug is my boyfriend if you guys are new to my channel he's invited and if he does this is a great rig for us because we're not hitting each other in the face with our elbows in here we can both stand in the kitchen at the same time and another really common question was how is it to drive like I said I was intimidated to tow anything and this was a big decision for me because you can't test drive a fifth wheel I had to come to terms with my fear because one motto that I've lived by for years is what one man can do another can do or what one woman can do another can do or whatever I know a lot of people and a lot of solo people that drive fifth wheels no problem hook up unhook no problem if they can do it I can do it so I think it's going to be okay but I am taking lessons because I don't want to hurt my new baby and I don't want to hurt my other new baby oh and by the way a couple of you asked me what the name of my RV is and the RV in the truck are Punxatani Fill which is a reference to grand talk day because Punxatani was the town that Bill Murray went to where every day he woke up and he could reinvent his life in the same space but every day he could create something new that's how I feel about this RV and now a word for the haters never mind I don't have time for the haters I wish them and everybody else the happiness and freedom that I found on the road and I'll see you guys on Sunday for the view queue if you have any other questions for me please do put them down below as always everybody have happy travels and be free