Good evening and welcome to episode 210 of the private property podcast, I'm your host Usama Antoma, Kumalo. It's a manic Monday. It's the first of March in 2021. I know many of us are feeling slightly weary as we are very fast approaching the one year anniversary of us being in lockdown. This also of course means that we are approaching the one year anniversary of the private property podcast. If you remember, we first went on air on the 30th of March when we were deep into lockdown and of course kickstarted the podcast with having a conversation with Uzak Mieze and Gil Sperling about how landlords as well as tenants should be approaching the 21 day lockdown and having a very constructive conversation around, you know, rental being paid or perhaps even making arrangements around rental collection. Well, we're nearly one year into this new normal that I'm sure many of us are simply not getting used to and we're still tackling hot property topics and we thought we're going to be in this for 21 days. Well, it's nearly 365 days and we've kept you company every single weekday at 7pm here on the private property podcast and we're going to continue doing so tackling various property topics that help us on our home ownership journey.  We certainly do cater for all of your property needs. And if you're joining us for the first time, well, you have missed out on quite a great array of good content. So do make sure that you go back to our Facebook as well as our YouTube page to catch up on some of the great content that we've already brought to your screens. Now, to all our regular viewers, welcome back to the private property podcast. You know how we do it every single weekday at 7pm. We tackle, you know, a property topic that best empowers us to ask the right questions and to make sure that we get a good deal wherever it is, wherever we are on our home ownership or on our property journey. And of course, I love talking about the other great shows that we have across the private property social media platforms. I am talking about the farming podcast that you can look forward to tomorrow evening. It comes to your screens on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 8pm. That you want to find out about when it comes to all things agriculture. So if you've got green fingers or want to go into farming, then that is a podcast for you. Now, to all our first time home buyers, we certainly have a show for you. The first time home buyers show is the class that comes to your screens every single Wednesday at 8pm. And every Wednesday, she gets to have a conversation with somebody who's walked their first time home buying journey. It's very daunting and it can be very, intimidating. But of course, we all have to go through it if we want to be home owners. And she has a really great conversation with people who've walked the path to reflect on some of the mistakes that they've made, some of the lessons that they've learned, and something that you and I can both learn a thing or two from. And even if you learn a first time home buyer, it's always great to hear other people's home ownership stories and learn a little bit from them. And if you yourself have a great story to tell about your first time home buying experience, then do your first time home buying show on Wednesday at 8pm. Well, you can also, of course, over the weekend, look forward to Chad bringing you the Home Shoppers show that, of course, gives you a profile of some of the best complexes and states that the country has on offer. But we certainly do have a lot on offer for you here on private property and of course across our social media platforms. One of the things that you also have an offer as many of you know is of course the Sherlock Holmes competition. We're now on week seven of the Sherlock Holmes competition. And if you're finding out about it for the first time, well, all you have to do is to go on to www.privateproperty.co.za. Look at what the clue is. We've posted a new clue this morning. So every single Monday, we post a new clue. And this week's clue is actually, I think it's a difficult one. It probably just depends where you live or if you're, you know, you've been really simply good with these clues. This week's clue is in the sleepy Hamlet of McGregor, the ideally family home awaits. With the garden made of vineyards, there's even an extra space for branding. That is the riddle for week seven of the Sherlock Holmes competition. When you go on to our website, let us know where you think it leads you. Do enter on our website and you stand a chance of walking away with a 5000 rand voucher every single Friday. And to keep things spicy and to make sure that we make the winners circle even bigger. Every Wednesdays and Thursdays, we have a spot prize of 500 rand in cash that you can win right here on the private property podcast with myself. All you have to do in order to win that prize is to be watching us live. Because if we call your name, you need to message us down here below and in order for you to claim your prize. It's simply that simple to win on a private property and across our social media platforms. Now to get started with this evening's conversation, one thing you're going to realise is that this week, we're going to be talking a lot about sectional title communities. And this is one of those things that I keep saying every time we have a conversation about it is we're going to continue talking about it because so many of us are increasingly buying and moving into sectional title communities. Some people are renting intersectional title communities and really want to have a better understanding of what life in the sectional title community is like. And really the whole ecosystem of living in a sectional title community because I think so many of us are not particularly familiar with it. That by the time we're in, we end up struggling with it just a little bit. And this evening, what we're going to be looking at is an overview of the effects of the Poppy Act on sectional title schemes. Later on in the week, what you can also look forward to when we talk about sectional title community, we will be speaking to Zalinda Panamabra, who is no stranger to the private property podcast family. And we'll be looking at understanding the important role of the sectional title managing agent. So if you are living in a sectional title community and you still don't quite know what your managing agent does, that is the product cost you do not want to miss. And we're going to close off the week by looking at how struggling sectional title owners can achieve financial stability. We're going to give you tips on how you can better manage your finances when you live in a sectional title. We know so many sometimes to struggle levies can be high and that has a knock on effect when it comes to what can and cannot be done by the trustees as well as the managing agent. So those are some of the topics that you can look forward to this week when it comes to sectional title communities. But this evening, we're looking at an overview of the effects of the Poppy Act on sectional title schemes. And some of what we'll explore is how the Poppy Act is applicable when it comes to us living in sectional title communities, the importance of compliance, as well as how, you know, corporate can begin to be compliant. Because one of the things that we're also seeing is that not all of them are compliant. So what does compliance a look like and how do we make sure that we are compliant now to better help us understand how we can do this. Another person who's no stranger to the private to the private property podcast team easily and Harrison is a portfolio manager at Pam Golden Property Management Services. The end good evening and thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Zama evening. How are you? I'm very good. And it's a Monday I was saying it's been quite a manic one.  And now we're starting, you know, the final quarter of Q1. But also, of course, you know, so there's just a lot happening. But I'm sure, of course, we're going to get into a topic that I know so many years at home want to get a better sense of especially if they are living in sectional title communities. And perhaps to a great starting point, just briefly what they poppy act firstly, how it's applicable when we look at, you know, sectional title communities and we've spoken briefly previously on the show around poppy, but perhaps let's zone it down to how it's applicable for those of us who may buy into sectional title communities. Thanks, Zama. So over the last couple of days, I've been involved in a lot of conversations around sectional title and how poppy is applicable. And it is applicable. So I've done just some research, I've looked at the act. And, you know, first and foremost, in terms of the Constitution, everyone has a right to privacy. And that is why poppy wasn't acted to give effect to this right. Poppy places a duty on sectional title schemes to protect the personal information of the owners and their members that live in the, that own in the, in the scheme. The importance of compliance, there's penalties that are imposed in terms of poppy. And when, when they come into effect from the 1st of July, it is important that body corporates comply. So what I'd like to start off with is how they are, how poppy applies to body corporates. So the act specifically says that any person, natural or juristic who processes personal information has to comply with poppy. Now processing, it's, you know, quite a vague term. So I'd like to just break it down further what the word processing means. So processing means the collecting of information, the utilizing of it, the storing of the information, sharing it and retaining it. So if I apply that to a body corporate, the collecting of information, body corporates collect information via the managing agent. If you're a new owner in a body corporate scheme, you submit your information to the managing agent to keep it and to utilize it to share information with you, to send your levy statements to you, to communicate anything regarding maintenance or otherwise in the community scheme. The managing agent on behalf of the body corporate stores information, whether it be in a filing cabinet on a cloud database system or on their computers. The managing agent shares the information with other owners and residents. I'll give an example. If I'm living on the bottom floor and I've got a leak from above, I would need the information from the other owner above so that I can communicate with them advising that there's a leak and has to be repaid. So the body corporate shares information and the last thing is we retain the information. So we keep it, we update it when necessary, when there's a change in ownership, we store it on our system. So that is how Poppy is applicable to sectional title schemes. Personal information examples. Yes, sorry. You can continue because what I was actually about to ask is to almost broaden what compliance then looks like because you're talking about importance of compliance but I know that you are getting paid just now. I'll do that. What do we mean by compliance? So personal information would be of your name, your ID number, your physical address, your marital status, your contact details. So that's the information that the body corporate does collect. So when we talk about compliance, there's a few aspects that a body corporate needs to consider and number one is Poppy created what's called information regulator who oversees was like a watchdog for Poppy compliance. They require that everybody corporate or sectional title scheme registers an information officer. It could be a trustee, it could be the chairperson of the trustees, it could be the building manager, the estate manager, it could even be a managing agent although I don't recommend that because it's a massive risk that the person takes on. Breaking down compliance, you register yourself as an information officer and you then now start with how to comply. So I've been dealing with as Linda who you mentioned earlier who's been assisting body corporates with Poppy compliance. She's been helping drafting what's called a Poppy manual which essentially is a document highlighting how the body corporate is how to pop is applicable to the body corporate, how they can comply and what they are doing to comply as we speak. So if the information regulator had to come to the managing agent's office and ask how is XYZ body corporate complying with Poppy, they can present the manual and show how they are complying. I know the manual it's a piece of paper but I do stress want to stress the importance of body corporates by their managing agents must ensure compliance with the document.  The information officer via the managing agent can then start with ensuring that the information collected is stored safely. There's adequate firewalls etc in place and they must enforce the requirements strictly. I have of course an evening in conversation with Leanne Harrison. We're talking about an overview of the effects of the Poppy Act on sectional title schemes and I know it's one of those conversations that a lot of us might think you know it doesn't apply to us because somebody else who needs to ensure that we're compliant but the reality especially when we live in sectional title communities is there's somebody who has all our information and oftentimes it is the managing agent and the body corporate or the trustees rather not even the body corporate because we're all members of the body corporate but the trustees have access to some of this information as well. So you want to make sure that the people who handle very sensitive information about yourself that could potentially if in the wrong hands could have damaging effects for yourself sometimes even your finances and we've seen sometimes in cases you know of identity theft being done when some of our personal information isn't adequately stored or properly stored and really better understanding what body corporates or sectional title schemes need to adequately do in order to ensure that by the time they need to be compliant now Leanne I mean one of the big things that you're seeing about is you know the role of the information officer or the compliance officer and as for your recommendation you you know you recommend that ideally it shouldn't be somebody who is it shouldn't be the managing agent you almost want to keep that slightly separate because it may you know help with making sure that there's a bit of accountability I mean if we look at where even those I know want to almost preemptively get themselves ready how do you go about essentially doing so. So I think the first thing that someone has to do a body corporate or group of trustees when they want to become compliant they need to approach the managing agent and look at approaching a consultant like tvdm consultants who've been assisting and we have a grasp on the act already you know they've been you know they've been researching for a few months now and sit down and do an analysis the poppy manuals that tvdm are creating have a step-by-step breakdown of how a body corporate can become compliant then what they have to do is hand the information to somebody to draft this manual and once complete and then I think it's it's very important to do an audit of the managing agent's actual physical office to see where the information is there that's being stored whether it be on the computers the filing cabinets it's important that things are locked away so it's a it's a physical inspection going to check are the computers being locked every night or shut down are the filing cabinets are they are they locked with this with a key who has access to that information and it's important that body corporates understand that non-compliance isn't just the paper it's written on you can get a fine of up to 500 000 to a million rand there is penalties there's imprisonment up to say that they would go that far but it's important that they understand the severity of the non-compliance another aspect is how the information officer needs to continually ensure compliance they need to check by annually look at how information is being stored how it's been destroyed where is it being destroyed they have to in they they are the ones that will investigate any breaches so if for instance a whole stack of identity documents go missing they are the ones accountable that have to make sure they know where the information went was stored and what the potential reason was for the breach that's very important for body corporates to sit down and analyze where the key aspects are get someone to assist them who knows the act already because it's been out for quite a while and start that process now lianna i think when when when we look at you know what the property access and ways in which a lot of sectional taxes in communities can begin to get into a place where the best position to be compliant perhaps you know shed some light on what mistakes can they avoid as they almost work with their managing agent put in and put in place a compliance officer what are some of the mistakes they should almost be emptied try to avoid in order for them to sort of best manage the process as much as possible look number one it's don't take it so likely it must be taken seriously because personal information is either has been out there and even as something as simple as you know get a phone call from talcom want a contract someone has given my information to that person and they've taken my id number they've taken my cell phone number so it's important that they don't make the mistake of doing something then doing that doing it themselves just ease but all of them are late or late persons well not everyone they're professionals they work wherever they do rather outsource it to someone that that has the expertise that's knowledgeable on the on the act you know someone like myself I'm an attorney by profession and funny example interpretation of statute adversity I hated and I realized how important it is and I when I look at a piece of legislation I can understand it better than somebody who is a financial manager for SAV so it's important that they don't do it rather get someone to assist them it's a small fee to pay for a lifetime of compliance if that makes sense definitely yeah and you know yeah I actually wanted to ask you about the I'll say the rise of let's call them consultants when it comes to working in you know body corporates I know some are even able to be a trustee you're able to have somebody who's not necessarily an owner and essentially have almost a professional trustee as it were you know pay them a fee you know do you see a rise of those kinds of services especially as we would look at the nature of the legislation around sectional title management as you're saying a lot of trustees typically don't have the know-how they are more and more of us live in institutional title communities more and more of us complaining about certain things and so many things that sometimes as we see new developments being built some of the you know some of the units that we're moving into are relatively faulty so even trying to mitigate some of those you know complaints you find it ends up being a legal issue as opposed to just a simple or the body corporate is going to cover this so having a fundamental understanding of what the legislation is how to best resolve it where to go for a quick resolution is increasingly becoming so important so do you see sort of the rise of the consultants when it comes to the sectional title community sort of you know increasing as it were I mean I know there are quite a few now that are on the rise but I feel as though more and more you essentially need them as opposed to it being a nice to have service so in my experience and I've seen it trustees or have full-time jobs so most of the time we have our meetings after hours number one and generally they only you know we struggle with with getting communication with them on email because they're all busy they don't have time to effectively assist the managing agent with the running of the body corporate the role of a professional trustee or a consultant or an executive managing agent is very important because with the introduction of the sectional title legislation a few years back and now with Poppy the role of a trustee is becoming more and more important because you are you know in essence trustee is trust owners are putting trust in you to effectively manage a scheme so the role of someone who has the know how who has the time who has the expertise and the experience to effectively run a body corporate is very important you know we spend lots of money in purchasing sectional title units and we want that piece of mind that the body corporate is compliant in terms of the risk financially in all aspects we want that piece of mind so it's very important that you get someone who you are comfortable with and who has the know how and the expertise to manage the compliance and risk aspects of a body corporate you there yes apologies there and as you were saying um so like I just mentioned you know the importance of having someone who has the know how expertise knowledge experience is very important because with the rise of sectional title legislation in 2016 and now with Poppy the role of a trustee is more and more important because there is so much and a managing agent there is so much uh compliance and you know boxes to tick for a body corporate that it is it is almost vital that you get someone involved that can assist you and guide you besides your managing agent someone with you know even a legal background um I work with Zalinda on a few on a few body corporate matters and just having that extra experience expertise really really helps to make sure that you are um complying with with legislation or any other matter that um the body corporate is unsure about and needs an extra person to assist we are taking your questions and comments on the private property podcasters we talk about uh the poppy act uh when it comes to sectional title communities on facebook we've got Shorinda asking what effect will it have to estate agents who are still using a traditional method of cold calling when looking for stock and we see that quite a lot in the end I mean I get a lot of calls you know in your own particular property they have access to your information and they'll call you to find out whether you're selling and if you're you know looking to rent it out sometimes I want to do a free evaluation does it have an effect or will it have an effect on estate agents who typically do that most definitely because a lot of the times agents who are owners in sectional title schemes have access to the information and they were then utilised for that purpose or they approach us to obtain the information so they can do the cold calling now the act specifically says information processed must be for the purpose a specific purpose where it means to for the management of the scheme so cold calling does not align with the purpose of managing a scheme therefore they can't do it and it will it will it will be seen as a breach we've got another question it's actually relatively similar I think you've partially answered it there and this one is coming from Umat Lashengang asking is a managing agent allowed to share members information with other owners please pardon me if this has already been covered so sharing of by the managing agents yeah other owners are they allowed to do so poppy says that you can whatever you are doing if it's lawful you can do it so in terms of the sectional title schemes management act you can provide information about from for other of other owners if you are doing it for a specific purpose so if you are complying with the STSMA and in effect um defying poppy you've permitted to do so but again for a specific purpose and for that purpose only mustn't be for anything untoward it must be a reasonable request so it is it is permitted you know again what I've typically found is when quantitative details have been shared or another owner's details has been shared with me has been in the event of chopping all the properties as an issue downstairs and there has to be a way that we must try and resolve it will change other's content details and vice versa but it's really for you know promotional purposes or something that hasn't that doesn't have to do with we'll say the actual admin of whatever the issue that we are currently dealing with I mean I know with one of the properties we had a with a plumbing issue and they put all of us in one group who are affected by that particular issue so we can try and find a you know a time when the plumber can come and sort it out so there have been those few instances where you know content details have been shared and typically the managing agent actually first asks if I'm okay with my content details being shared with another owner so that we are able to find a way to resolve something quickly because you often don't want to go knocking on somebody's door in as much as they may literally be next door or just below you but you know yeah before I let you go this evening any final tips for our viewers at home who many of them are either you know renting an exceptional title but certainly also have bought into exceptional title what should we almost be the big takeaway from this conversation especially when we look at how we're going to go to our managing agent to figure out what they are going to be doing in order to ensure that we're compliant any for our viewers at home so I think the most important take from this is that one July isn't that far off and people think no we you know largely they thought okay we've got a year it's fine you we're down the first of March got four months another thing to take away from this is the information regulator must receive registration of the information officer by the end of March which is in 30 days so I think it's very important that body corporate start with their compliance now as opposed to later and that they approach the managing agent approach someone external and get them to start and get get an analysis going as to how they're going to become compliant. Welcome back to episode 210 of the Private Property Podcast. I'm your host Uzaman Dunwar Komalo. Well it isn't a Monday and certainly the first of March if you don't have a few technical glitches I feel as though the Grimlins are slightly jealous of the amazing streak that we have had so we're going to blame it on Monday blues as well as a new month blues now that that's out of the way. Leigh Ann thank you so much for you know sharing a large number of this particular one and I'm sure that a lot of viewers have certainly found it quite insightful. One of the things that you're saying is we should definitely use services of you know consultants or explore using services of consultants and if sometimes it's not even you know to be a trustee but certainly look at the training aspect where they work with trustees in order to best put that to deal with some of the decisions that they need to make. Most definitely training compliance and start tomorrow. And that's definitely a great note to leave it there. Leigh Ann thank you so much for joining us this evening. Thanks so much Shama thanks everyone for joining and listening. And that is Leigh Ann Harrison who is a portfolio manager at Pam Golding Property Management Services. Well that brings to an end of the Monday edition of the Private Property Podcast with myself. It's been a bumpy road but now that the bumpy road is down and it's out of the way I'm sure that it's going to be an incredible month ahead and we're going to be back on your screens tomorrow evening at 7 p.m. until then hoping you're staying home and staying safe. I'm Rick Middling I'm an Olympic gold medalist and shareholder and marketing director of all the V.S. States which recently acquired Pearl Valley estate. I've been living in the beautiful Paul Frontier Valley for the last five years. We are situated right in the heart of the Cape Wildlands. Security is our number one priority and it's something we work on every day and this has earned us the reputation of being the safest estate in Africa. The lifestyle that this area has to offer truly is country living at its best. We're just five minutes away from the historic town of Pearl. Pearl really is an incredible area to explore with little gems like the spice root and Fairview farms. But the biggest attraction is the excellent schools. French Hook on the other hand is a major international tourist destination and also known as the culinary capital of South Africa with a diverse offering for every palette and occasion. Our recent acquisition of Pearl Valley is a major game changer for us. Our residents can now enjoy a wide range of amenities unmatched anywhere else in the world. There's the world famous Jack Nick the signature golf course which is consistently ranked among the top golf courses in South Africa and there are some beautiful properties on the course. Folder V really is the ideal family environment. We also cater to equestrian lovers with facilities on offer for every discipline from the two Hurlingham standard polar fields to our state-of-the-art equestrian centers and miles of trails. Our horses live in paradise too. Folder V has its own wine farm and cellars producing award-winning wines which every resident can be proud of. I've been blessed to travel the world but this is the place I come home to. I'm sure you can see why we call it the valley of life and this is my neighborhood.


Police in Lawrence County are investigating a double murder. It happened on Yellow Creek Road late last night. According to police, a woman called 911 saying she was afraid of a man who was yelling threats outside her house. Upon arrival, police found a man lying on her porch, dead from multiple gunshot wounds. Through further investigation, police found a woman dead in the home next door also from a gunshot wound. This is an isolated incident and there is no need for a public alarm, no reason for anybody in the community to panic or be worried about anything. Officers say something like this has never happened in that area. We don't have too much going on here as far back as we all are. We don't have much turmoil up here.  And this was a shock this morning when I got a call from a family member that they had a shooting up here. She adds the neighborhood just wants answers. I hope they find them. Everybody has their own ideas, but, you know, I hope they do find them. At this time, no one has been charged with the deaths. If you have any information regarding the shootings, contact Kentucky State Police post 14 in Ashland at the number listed on your screen. In Louisa, Shelby Porter, EKB News.


And in that case, it's usually been a fairly simple audit where I'm really just looking at for each platformer on, I think it's helpful to know what are the top maybe three posts each month that really got engagement, right? Because engagement is probably the most valuable thing we can get on social media because it shows that people are actually reading and responding to what we're doing. And each time somebody engages in some way, it's going to drive it out to more audience and boost you in the algorithm. So aside from the things that are sort of harder to measure and have to go off platform for, that's the most useful measurement you can look at within the platforms. And so I like to see what those are. And there's a mixture, right, of like qualitative and quantitative analysis here. So you can look quantitatively, right? Like how many people liked it? How many people shared it? There's these numbers you can put to it and play and excel with. But there's also this qualitative thing where you have to kind of look at, okay, well, what are those and why are they resonating? And you have to be a little bit of a detective and say, you know, is it that people really respond best at a certain time of day? Is it that people respond best to video versus photo versus some other form of content that you're producing? And those tell you a story that you can use to adjust what you post in the future.


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They, in some respects of dimensions, keep changing. There are spectacular successes and challenges that still remain. For example, with PEPFAR, the story I told you of PEPFAR, it was how we can get therapy to people who need it. So if you look globally, particularly in the developing world, that by the standard criteria of who should be receiving and therefore would benefit greatly from therapy, only about 30% of the adults in the low and middle income countries who would clearly benefit from therapy have access to therapy and less than 10% of the children in the developing world who would have benefit from therapy have access to therapy. So we have something that's a global health issue, a biomedical research and science issue and a broad societal issue. So one is access to therapy. The other is something that's very sobering. For every one person that we put on therapy globally, two to three people get newly infected. And since therapy is a lifelong issue, because if you stop therapy, the virus comes back. If you do the numbers, it's a non-sustainable situation. So we have an enormous challenge with the prevention of HIV, not only internationally and globally in the developing world, but we even have it here in the United States where 56,300 people get newly infected each year, mostly in the African American community. So there are many, many challenges. So what I said at the Ideas Festival is that the theme was much accomplished, much to do. We've accomplished breathtaking things with regard particularly to therapy for those who have access to therapy. The other issue is prevention. The last holy grail scientifically of that is the development of a vaccine, which has been very difficult for a variety of complicated reasons, but it's also access for people who don't have access. And the thing is, if you go to Africa, if you go to Asia, the cultural and societal issues that are stumbling blocks on the way to a successful approach to HIV relates to everything from the disenfranchisement of women in certain societies. Women don't have the same rights as men for sure.  It becomes a very difficult situation that's going to require leadership from the top in certain nations where the fundamental societal, cultural, traditional way of interacting sexually between men and women provides a fertile ground for a sexually transmitted disease. It's very difficult, for example, for a white guy with a suit like me to go in and say, what you should be really doing is this, you've got to get the leadership of the country to understand that they're dealing with what might be a potential and an already public health catastrophe in their country. Some countries get it and are really doing something about it, such as Uganda with President Museveni and others, are really providing the kinds of leadership. In other countries, it's not the case, unfortunately. So that's what I spoke about in Aspen when I said about the challenges of what we need to do by the year 2015-2025.


Sarah's kitchen and there's free admission entertainment every weekend Yeah, debate. Thanks so much for tuning in now on Highland radio or back via the podcast This is your weekly J wrap-up and this weekend We're wrapping up the Ulster Club and all excitement from the weekend action Includes the unions who qualified for the hurling junior championship final in Ulster Downins unfortunately crashed out in the doubleheader in the football on Sunday But Neve Connell joy for Neve Connell the late late show from them indeed We're going to discuss that their victory over Gowna in the company of Dirty Gone News reporter Dara Dara welcome to the show jungle day is on the line as well Dara boner in the house They give us the lowdown on the gauntlet John good to hear from you the club scene of course Kicking in the Ulster later on the show. We're going to hear from Michael McBallon of the Gillick life He's gonna wrap up the rest of the Ulster action. I can't actually read me one right in here That's somebody scrubbing there for me He's gonna wrap up the rest of the Ulster club action for us and he's also gonna discuss his book with us Book Derry the game of my life, of course centered around the victorious 93 all Ireland one and team and 25 years around that and all the history that's coming looking forward to that But they say first we're gonna get straight into it and John How was the heart after yesterday? You know, we love this two points down late goal thing We don't see it that much more now because teams are so well set and players are back in the defensively solid But John from a halftime position where you look completely in control, you know, you were crashing out of Ulster club What a phenomenal finish to the game Anonism It's great when you when you come out the right side of those games and then it's obviously if you slip it around to the side and Looked at it from a Gowner perspective. It's absolutely got wrenching and only if colonel last year had had similar type of experience So we know both ends of the off the spectrum at this point in time, but not was it was nerve-wracking stuff Did you deserve that Robert the green after last year John against Kerrigan because it was a similar type scenario I suppose in terms of you know Snatch promise. I know it went down to the the pen was him, but it certainly was maybe something that we've been lucky deserved Well listen, I think you make your own look a lot of things and The other side of the equation is you don't always get what you what you deserve so, you know while there seems to be kind of a Correspondence to last year maybe a bit of you know, we got the rubber the green So therefore the balance book has been balanced out, but it wasn't even that I felt that From a performance perspective it was poor from a native colonel perspective. I thought well, we were relatively good in the first half I didn't think that going to cause us any major problems didn't get in behind us get a couple of nice scores I thought we left a lot of scores behind us. I think in the first half I think we made a left two three two four behind us. We had the post And then Leo scored an opportunistic goal just before half-time which gave us a four-point lead and relief in that perspective Given the way the first half had gone You thought we've got into the cruise control and then we would see the game out because you know, I felt That even up until Leo's goal with a better side. We probably as I said, we should have scored more And it was a very uncharacteristic like the common performance in the sense that we were much more wasteful than we had been all year Team had been very clinical and I know there was a win and the ball slipping the ground was Gracie and that plays into this time of year as well But and then when it came down to it goona, you know, they're county champions They're defending county champions and Kevin for a reason. They're a big strong physical side I thought they they gave us a lot of bother around the park and lots of positions just from fear Physicality point of view some big men and they just decided we're gonna throw the kitchen sink in it They had nothing to lose They had a lot of pride and and ultimately at the end of the game they will feel hard done by because if you know It's normally the team that wants a second half is is a team that wants a game and going over the better side in the second half And that's been realistic and honest about it.  They've gone away from home. It's it's it's a county ground But still it's a grounded that gunner gonna know very well no more than they've called playing at the cool park You know, they would in the game as favorites as John was in there in that first half, you know They've kind of left a lot of scores behind them control the game I thought as the half were on that you could see that Tactical counter-attack that they were drawn on gunner gunner were trying to tackle them all over the pitch The gaps was a dollar and the John as John said they're the beginner shut off the post But at half time, you know, John said four points But I mean it was double scores and a low score in game that four points was it was a huge Lead and half time you think in Nick as John was saying there and they've kind of were just going to continue What they did in the second half. I think this would everybody certainly from the dunnig allside thought would be happening in the second half Yeah, Brennan looked just like a trademark and Eve Connell performance really like they just they chipped away a couple of scores That Leo McLungo was brilliant now. It was lovely. He had very little he put that on them some funny It was real death like yeah considering the chances they had missed earlier in the game to as like Teco John's already said. I mean they left a lot of scores behind them and Charlie McGinnis Probably be had his head in his hands for about 10 15 seconds after he missed that chance as well but yeah coming in the halftime you just that Neve Connell, it's Neve Connell. They're not gonna let this slip now and The first 15 minutes of the second half. They were just just couldn't find themselves I don't know what it was whether it was complacency, but I don't think it's not like them to Expect it just like the rest of us that even if Gowna got a patch that they would score and they would just keep ticking You know, even if they brought it back to two they would get it back to three No, they bring it back to three. Is that the mindset? I suppose that can be dangerous because you know people saying to me about how you say Gowna played but Gowna a damn good team a lot of good players They keep a couple of phenomenal scores last night. You've got to take that into consideration You know around the ability that that gonna have yeah I think even their first two or maybe three scores in the game or apart from the free kick to the easy free kick now The couple ones they scored in the first half were brilliant. They were still wasteful at the same time now and Probably kick some harder scores and they could then dawns they must but I think I think they've kind of just As you're saying like they could let them have a couple have a couple points and they've kind of always get them back But then just when Gowna went direct for that one that one ball in just got through It's kind of rocked me've gone all the way but for a second to thinking and I suppose they just They did what what champions do well and got back into it when they're two points down with that ball in from Anthony Thompson Yeah, and you got to respect that John you don't start us in there do what champions do You know it didn't look like you know towards the end that match as you say John Is it a good thing in many ways now John? I suppose in terms of being a coach in Martin Regan looking saying right here We did right in the first half that second half of form is not going to be Glenn It's not going to take us where we need to go So is it a bit of a reset in terms of the second half the way you look at it manage a game in the second half? Yeah, listen an ideal way to go into a game against Glenn because they'll be totally ripped enough Which is ideal from their perspective So, you know that type of situation is ideal as long as you come out the right side of it But the problem we unless and we've had this down through the years as well They play a very particular style of football. They don't blow teams away generally teams always have a chance Pipping them somewhere along the line and the goal You know the goal was relatively easy when you think about it They got through down the left-hand side very easy They got inside the cover very easy and then the ball across the stair was palm them easy So very uncharacteristic, you know, it's it's it's a hard one, you know because listen They won the county championship Also, it's always very very difficult because you're playing teams in exactly the same position as you in the sense that Confidence is high your county champions and Gowna's case. They were defending county champions. Very good site a lot of very very good players so you can get away with that to a certain extent because Maybe and in Donegal Connell have an aura about them in the sense that oh when they go four points up You may forget about it the games over whereas Gowna didn't come with that baggage But I had come back a number of games throughout the year just like new Connell had so they they were never out of the game Even though maybe from a Donegal perspective, we were looking and going okay. Well, this is typically Connell But Gowna didn't read the script. They have no exposure to new Connell from that perspective so they just went they just went at it and they were gonna go out with their boots on and Ultimately, they very nearly pulled it off and it was listen. Let's be honest. It was complete good fortune I heard Martin Regan said that one 10, you know, that'll only work one and ten times. I can assure you I played a lot of games You know, it works a lot less than one and ten and you know, they came out the right side of it But as I said, you want to kind of championship? There's a couple of days on the beer. There's refocusing Etc. Etc. And maybe, you know, it's it's It needed something like that now to refocus the mind again and maybe that game Hopefully if we look back at it in seven eight nine ten weeks time and maybe they're hopefully they've gone a much further Maybe that'll be seen as a pivotal point because as we all know if you're gonna be successful in any sport and Any tournament and any event even a little bit of luck at the right time and up until now New colonel didn't need luck because they were just this year. They've been better than everybody else I don't think anybody can deny that and they need a little bit of luck on Sunday that deserted them last year And they got it this year and hopefully that'll spur them on and everybody will knock it down because I thought Overall, it was an underperformance by a lot of our a lot of our key men Now is that an underperformance because we underperformed or is it an underperformance because gonna did a really good job on us And made it very difficult for us to perform So I suppose that'll only come to you know light in the common weeks when we pay Glenn and see exactly where we're at And John listen, I know your time is a bit tight tonight. I'll just go through another question You don't as you said there were always the biggest the Tommy's scored a goal against leave colonel Which is credit to how they play the game in terms of shutting out the vital scores that a goal is But you're going at halftime John. They were wobbling, you know They were they were a bit devoid going forward I thought and then their defense was wide open because they were getting sucked under the trap We impressed now with it with how they come out in the second half because you man Keeney there the manager You know he's invited into the senior ranks there Sorry, I'm thinking thrown at the other game there. Sorry John, but I was just saying about their Dermot McCabe. Sorry. I'm flipping between the two games here. That's that's a big day yesterday McCabe and the back room team John around how gonna come out in that second half in terms of not You know, they look like that was the start of the game again You know as a maybe you said and done a goal. It was too easy for me Connell because when going to come out in that second half You would have thought they were gonna control the game. They just went at it harder again I think it may be surprised and you've gone maybe again They're not used to it because they've had it their own way and again, but I'm saying John That's a big learning Thing as we're doing in Ulster all the time going over just kept going at it and in terms of attacking They've gone all over the pitch and you'd have to say their fitness did look, you know They were amazingly fit the running just kept coming and coming that's what resulted in the goal Which was the the big score in that second half Yeah, I think it's two-fold, you know, let's go back to the age-old debate They don't play the style of football we play in Dunnegal They don't play that kind of style of football in Kevin like if you look at the county final like it was a goal first there there are much more Washbuckling style of play in Kevin than there is in Dunnegal and because of that teams are a Afraid to go at Clint East or Nate Connell because they're Nick Honnell do what they did to go down in the first half. They'll turn the ball over. They'll strip you They'll go down the field and let's be honest Some of the scores that Nate Connell hit in the first half were exception like A.G. Gallars Where the four where the cornerback the fallback and the other cornerback Turned the ball over and broke around the length of the park for AJ to kick it over the bar so Cubs in Dunnegal are used to Nate Connell doing that and therefore there's an apprehension Ghana didn't have that baggage. They had like they knew that Nick Honnell played defensive surely They would have learned from the first half That you know if you go into contact, they'll turn over But they referred it back to the way they played in the county finally just one we'll go at it and we'll tear into it and with no fear and Ultimately, they need to go out the right side. I felt there was a lack of intensity Particularly in that middle Third of the game or the in the second half where we just couldn't get our hands on the ball every break ran away from us I also thought there was you know, and again, I'm not gonna go down that the Declan boner School of thought for you know, northern end referees, but I thought there was a couple of Decisions at crucial times that maybe could have gone away Brendan MacDyre, for example went through down the wing on the left-hand side was All back and then jumped on and the referee would play on and we things like that will turn the game And what happened is going to got momentum their tails were up. They're at home the crowd got into it They score to go all of a sudden everybody's under pressure now to flip that the other side They've conalded amazingly well then to weather the storm because the game could have ran away from them They're gonna could have kicked five scores and all of a sudden you've gone out the gate So what they did is they they went back to basics again They won a couple of balls were in the middle they kicked the score They kept themselves in the game and they left themselves in the game to give them the opportunity to steal it at the end Well, maybe a lesser side would have rolled over and ran out to get five or six points down going what happened So they deserve credit from that perspective, but I know you know, I know from All intents and purposes management and players won't be happy with that performance But that's a good way to be going into an Ulster semi-finals because you're still in the draw Yes, indeed some leave colonel fans just saying they should have freshened things up more in the second half It's big pitch big play and pitch John mentioned a couple of referees in the seasons there There's one of you going if people weren't happy, but that was the Leo McClune foil at the end Some people thought he met over carry there So I suppose it depends what way you're looking at the scenario because that was The free kick that obviously led to the the goal situation Yeah, and sure, I think it was just before the the free kick as well the sideline ball where the referee threw it up That was there's not a guy no one's shouting about that too So I think I think both sets of fans were a bit unhappy with the referee now But I don't think he didn't have a terrible game now There was there was definitely some questionable calls in the first half for Neve Connell to you thought and then I'm just saying you get the feeling the thought from the two games We're reps are trying to let it go now as much as they can and then doing that then you're in it You're in a funny area of then was that he's trying to let it play and let it develop That you're not giving away handy-freeze, but then everything has to be thought like that That's what John was talking about but the ball never player You know, he's probably let that go in the tackle previous and then he's trying to weigh it up It's a very difficult one in GA in the tackle Yeah, especially if you let things go early and like there's some teams like I mean Neve Connell can be quite quite physical and I mean, that's that's the way they play and it works well for them But if you start letting that go then you're gonna have to keep letting it go and it's just makes referees a bit inconsistent Coming towards the end of games people are questioning why why is that being let go and or why is that being given when it was let go? 20 minutes previous, but it's just the way the referees are playing the game these days, I suppose. Yeah, John You're still with us Yeah, yeah, John November 26th in venue to be confirmed against Glenn They had kind of a routine victory now against your friends there at Kerrigan Again John a team that'll keep ball. It'll be possession possession number one again very different Obstacle compared with You know Gowna but in terms of the weekend they're the only scene obviously Kalkou who many people thought were almost unbeatable at times If we could demand them and Glenn people think it was going to be Kalkou cross it isn't you know It's it's trillic Scotts down. So John listen We talk about tactics like it's still it's going to come down to smallest Emergence between yourselves and Glenn is that what the feeling is you know, and there's gonna be a lot of improvement from your guys No, absolutely, and you know people have to be aware that Kerrigan's played most of the game with 14 men They had a man set off very early and there was four points in a day I know Glenn were in control and Glenn probably do what Neve Connell do and only gone in the sense that You know, it's a four-point Honestable victory and and you know, they were never really pressed that much but again They play a different type of style of football and then going to play they'd be less washbuckling They'll be less random, you know car full-back Find themselves in weird positions and stuff like that. So there are much more structured out foot. They're very efficient They're obviously a top-class team. They're you've got beaten on a final or defend ulcer champions So you have to give them the utmost respect But I think Neve Connell be looking forward to us a heard Martin on another station saying, you know They've always wanted to test themselves against the best, you know Neve Connell have been in finals. They played big games if one big games have lost big game So it's not gonna hold any fear for them And if anything it may be the perfect game for them just to challenge themselves and get really up to it again Because as I said, I just felt they were off the pitch of the game and again I don't want to be disrespectful to Gowna. Maybe Gowna were the reason that they were off the pitch They played that well and knocked them out of stride, but listen, it's gonna be a it's gonna be a great game Neve Connell obviously going his underdogs particularly after this performance, which I think suits him perfectly and Glenn are obviously favorite Schroelster again, and they're an exceptional team with exceptional talent But you know, where is the game gonna be? I think it's gonna be at Oma. Yeah, they haven't decided yet Do you have a written confirmation? Just yeah, it could be so yeah probably being you to a venue But you know, you know always fancy the chances and I think it'll be the same type of thing Nobody's gonna run away with this game. It's gonna be a tight game And it's gonna be a tight game between two teams that are you are very comfortable in that type of situation So, you know, it's gonna be very interesting to see and you know from a tactical perspective It'll be interesting to see how Neve Connell set up. It's a great challenge for Martin and I know they're really looking forward to it Yeah, excellent stuff John They're just on that before we leave Neve Connell, you know, they're away from home as I said, you know They control the first half and in many ways there is there's a lot to be taken from that in the good leg game Sure, you come back for I think if you go through any any championship normally particularly the level of I suppose You know talent that's an oyster and sides in it It's always gonna you're going to need a wee bit of a bounce of a ball to come through And this could be the catalyst, you know, they could come out and play Uh, you know the the fall match that they did in that first half, which would make them a very very difficult prospect So in many ways there is a good good in the next game as we're saying Lou With things to find out and and reset back at training and saying that this wasn't good enough this lifted up because In any given year you can create history and you know, there's no time with the present And I'm sure then boys you're thinking listen that team now seems to be at its real peak of its powers So, you know still a huge potential for them to be clean and get on the roster final Yeah, well, I think every manager would say there's no learning when you're in comfortably Um, and obviously that was probably the perfect thing for neve connell to go through that first half They were very comfortable when you go in duster You're going to expect every team you come up against to have a purple patch against you and gonna Gunners did last a bit longer maybe in that second half But yeah, like martin reagan said that glenn won't have any sleepless nights over them But that's that'd be that's more than what martin reagan want. I'm sure going into this game He's he's not gonna be wanting to go in thinking. Oh, yeah, we've had a good game against going and we deserve to win What do we do now for glenn? He'll know what exactly they need to do to improve their game and like Against glenn. I can't see it being too high scoring now, but that'll that'll suit both teams I suppose going into it Perfect. Yeah after a match we caught up with a very relieved kevin megerigan What was the feeling like after uh Sticking the ball in the back of the net awesome. Sorry euphoria now I don't know if I can get the uh a goal and not never got one as important as that. I don't know why Yeah, it's just I was just right right place right time very lucky now Just happy to that I got snuck it in somehow. Yeah, most of them was a wall of players in front of you Ah, there's at least seven right there and it's a few male men were nearly in front of me I just actually drop kicked it somehow. I don't know. I wouldn't drop kick ever in training or not So I don't know what was that. It's just just lucky lucky, but listen It meant so much to the players and obviously to these supporters that we're standing in the middle of here Yeah, I'm just glad I could Repay the supporters for what they do for us that It gives something back to them and give them another day out at least Yeah, but listen the second half performance and we'll speak into martin Um, it wasn't happy with it You guys never got going on the second half after leading before the break No, no, we'll be looking back on that now. We'll be happy at all Now uh going out got a good big press on us there and we couldn't do that at all for some reason Usually we'd be comfortable with that and we'd get away a few passes. We'd get a wee run on it But this was the sloppy surface and that there. Maybe it was against us today But we'll look we'll look at that now in two next few weeks and we'll we'll work on it Yeah, because I said to brand kill coin and common thread and we agreed on it when you get to ulster At times it's not really about the performance. It's just getting the result. Yeah, anything can happen As you can see I think I'll cool off today as well Yeah, anything can happen all these teams. They don't really know that much about each other like and anything can happen on the day Like the matchups and everything then I think it happened. Well, listen, you've got a another day now to come That's against glennon and a fortnight's time. It's good to measure yourself against the best You're going up against the defending champions. Oh, exactly like it's there's no better place to be Up against the reigning champions like you'll you'll know from there where you're at yourselves And you'll might prove something to yourself if you get a good victory against them And we'll be we'll knuckled out now for two weeks. We'll give that one hell of a rattle. Hopefully Yeah, thanks for watching Kelly there talking to a very relieved Kevin McGilligan. He's in the semi-final There are downings the Pre the pre show in this We're going up a wee bit of hope for downings weren't too sure now. A lot of people were fans in ballet haze The game was over very quickly, you know, huge press on McLeafley and that's the only the bit of an injury getting into the game And it was really a masterclass from ballet haze, you know running out four What do you finish up four 15 to 11? There it was a tough tough watch then for downings everything about Ballet haze was operating on another level to downings, you know, were you surprised by The control and how good ballet haze were I remember I was speaking to Kevin Gallagher last week And he was talking about the physical size of ballet haze and how he knew that was going to be a problem And I think you could see that from nearly from the off in that game now The first five minutes there was two apiece Paddy McAwee two brilliant scores to be fair now And it looked like it was going to be an absolutely amazing game I think then Johnny McGranny must have free and just ballet haze just took over then And as you say, McLeafley's kicking a couple were a bit disappointing early on and then The the goal was unfortunate too. I mean if it could have bounced anywhere other than just right on top of them And he just had to palm it down and Your man, I think it was a he slip. He was called he just snuck in for the goal And you just couldn't really see like much else was going to happen after that I think there were six points in it after 20 minutes And then they got two goals and as many minutes after that and I mean it was game over before the 25th 30th minute Yeah, yeah tough tough day for for the downings and their champions. They've come an awful long way They did well in division one this year and as did ballet haze and in the cabin division one And that's why we're thinking both teams might have uh, some are similar but listen It was an absolute master class, but listen downies never give up They plugged away they plugged away and when the dust settles they're still champions A team that's still In the mix in the hurling, uh, St. Junans reached the holster junior final against Castle Blaney and uh An amazing game there. I went to pennies So we don't see football games to have them going to pennies But hurling in particular because of the the quick score and the high score nature It's unusual 21 eats at Venice and then five four on pennies unions march on by a game. Yeah, uh, swatter there was that they played That was I was an amazing game I mean Unions were I think it was 10 six up at half time and at that point I was I was down at it and I Kind of thought they were probably counting their luck that they were four points up at that point Swatter had nearly double digits and wides in that first half But swatter came back so well and I think they had four in a row to go a point up and it looked like they were going to Just push on from there But credit to unions. They just kept coming back every time Darren Maligia. I think he scored a 64th minute equalizer and then an 82nd minute point to equalize as well and to bring it to pennilies and again, then Key and Hennessy did brilliant made two saves and it was just Just a cracker and they did so well to get back in that game because I think they probably went in as underdogs as well against a Good swatter side. Yeah, and Dara had a penalty too, did he? Yeah, Dara had won and I was right in the bottom corner. It was brilliant now too Sean McVeigh was that his best boy the the the veteran and the legend that he is We Sean McVeigh always seems so young to me because of older if I call them a veteran Sean, that's what you are now Manly Marge say fair play to you unions Marge on great to see Dara, they don't know ladies in an Ulster final next week Listen exciting time for them and a club on the up and up Don't know when the ladies are flying the flag through Ulster. Yeah, and they've been brilliant I've I've seen their two Ulster games so far and Both times they've had to dig very very deep both times. They've looked like they could have been like going out of it The the quarterfinal they were a point down coming into added time And they had only scored in the first minute of that second half So it looked like they were never going to get a score But they got one kitty Wallace got a late one to Eglise and then they just pushed on an extra time. We're brilliant I think they had They had at least three players and been in that game as well over time I think they might have been down to 13 at one point and then going away to thailand last Two weeks previous now They they were just brilliant in the first 40 minutes or so They let title and get back into it, but they had the it was a much more improved and experience performance from them to see out the game that time and Going into the final now against lavis going to be hard to know Laver the intermediate champions in terry, but they're a lower grade So I think they've only been going two years as well They won the junior last year and they've won the intermediate now So they're definitely flying anyway the terry champions So it should be a brilliant game, but Tony Boyle's girls have been amazing the whole year So it should be good some pedigree there my my my hero tony who I got to play away Of course i'm doing doing sterling worked in there. That's phenomenal really looking forward to this night That would be huge for and it was for for don't know one of course They're even talking to john mcnulty last week just saying you know We need more clubs with better Improving ladies teams to pull up which will only help the county And particularly at underage and started to compete a bit more. So all that's good news Yeah, brilliant. I mean don't know of one almost everything around them this year between I think for under 14s 15 16s minors and then they got promoted and they Obviously won the junior and they won division two as well. I think it was they've just been brilliant And that's it's what the county needs I think they put in a good setup to get all these girls Playing at a young age and then they brought in a good Brilliant management department, as you say with Tony Boyle coming in there Rob Warley as well And yeah, if there was other clubs doing the same thing we'd be talking about God knows what Yeah, so you never know we might we might get one yet. We've come we've come we've come close Listen, Dara, thanks so much as ever for your contribution there at Dara boarder of the Donegal news Thank you Dara for wrapping that up And of course john galday was whether it's just previously after the break I'm going to be joined by Michael McMullen to look across austral club championship And of course talk about his book. 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I'm now delighted to say I'm joined by michael mcmullen. How are you michael?  I listen i know a few boys be at that all right for various reasons, but i'll let go on then i could get label here here Mal tell me the crack now before we get into i'm fascinated about this book Game of my life, of course centered around dairies epic 1993 and in the 25 years Around that mal was looking at the book and the contributors you have in the history that's involved in it It's it's phenomenal mal before we look at the book well It was another epic weekend this also club championship. I mean I don't really pay much heed to the other Provincial clubs and maybe i'm being biased a bit, but is there anything like it? Hi, it's a very special competition. I think we only Disappointing thing about it brem is it's half over. Um, it comes very quickly. We look forward to it and You know, we're down to the last three games of all all the grades And from my own point of view I think I missed the two thinkers at the weekend the trillic and crossing the end game There's a bit of decent football in the second half and glennon jargon We were in control for for much of it, but I was listening to ashene and and the boys talking about Kevin's late goal for live connell and obviously a kylku with with a kylku in scott's town with late drama, so You just need to know where the drama is and make sure you follow Yeah, that's a difficult one. I appreciate that michael of where to go and what to do You know, there's something about scott's town that you just don't know with him They've got that in them michael any given day. They're not afraid anybody They're a bit like the monaghan county team themselves You know, there's there's games that they'll lose that you think they should one But then no matter who they play there seems to be a disregard for the fact that Listen kylku are heading for a final With possibly glennon. That's way a lot of people were looking but they had other ideas and begging You know, the very few players can do that Maybe you think about skills of people around the country who can kick The the point of begging kicked like he's some man for one man It was brilliant kick brendan, you know, like even the one that karen hues got before that then We were watching at the press box at selthick park and Whenever karen hues actually floated that one over we thought sheer extra time here And uh next minute begging was standing over the kick like it was it was brilliant You're talking there about, you know scott's town Like they They should really think a bit one and also their clubs like the load of players they have at the disposal You know adam the tradition that the club has, you know back through the years But you did mention that like a couple of weeks ago I did think the kylku were the team to beat I watched their down final and they're when they were very godly and I thought they looked as good as ever they did Um, I haven't had a chance to watch yesterday's game with scott's town apart from obviously the last five minutes, but It's obviously gone and they're they're left Scratched in their heads, but from a from a scott's town point you you're going to be buzzing and That's going to be some game of trillic Yeah, listen again the tarone winners no one knows what they expect I mean, they're going to be good but we we just wonder have the good to pedigree because of the The history is against them in terms of tarone teams in in holster compared to what you would expect from such a football Mad county that no one can dominate it so it affects them But yet you have trillic coming in there I know listen We always think across mcglenn in terms of their history too But you know they aren't at the at the power of that but still that was a game Some people were maybe looking at cross and again Were they looking at the history because trillic Weren't having any of it and uh, they're they're a team make it just Don't want to expect them to one tarone They were underdogs and in the last couple of games and then here they are now in an austere semi-final game away from a final I did fancy them to beat cross to be honest. Um, you know more me. You see your property analysis here. That's the difference You don't always get it right. So sometimes when you do you have to just say that you do But I did expect them to one, but the thing about with trillic. I think the I think the problem with trolling clubs is that They don't get out two or three years in a row. Like if somebody gets out of a county three or four years in a row And they can't one holster They can always go back and build get a player back from injury get a good that out of miners and build on it razz tarone Teams then you might not get out of trolling for four or five years and all of a sudden Maybe maybe two year best players have retired or moved away and it's dealing like back to square one That's what it seems like from the outside, you know, every so often you'll get a team comes along and wins it first time, but Still think there's a building there's a building process there to one holster because it is so difficult to one Yeah, well, I'm gonna ask you who is going to one of them. How's that? well I don't know. Give me a political answer.  Give me your gut. You've got to go with glen, aren't you? You have to Make up a few weeks ago was cuckoo to be honest with you.  It'll be low scoring. Well, but it'll be it'll be very intriguing So we remain to see what happens. I was looking for you to tap them You see all that they've calling people will be loving that but mal tell me this I have enough trouble reading a book How do you go about writing one? Could you tell me in the middle of everything else that you've been doing? I have no idea 54 weeks of graph brandon that Fair play. I think the person who deserves the most credit is my wife Pauline. She actually She made sure I went through with it whenever the area came and I think that was always keep at it and you're nearly there with the statements that you kept giving me as it went along but You know, you do need support, but You know, if you're writing something that you're passionate about it's a big help and you know to go into You know the living rooms or cafes or wherever you met these people To 25 of the greatest players ever to play for the area um You know, it does help and it's as I suppose when you've read as many books as I might have had over the years You always sort of think we'll ever write one and thankfully the opportunity came Liam Hayes gave me a buzz and And I thought you will go for this but no, it was a very very busy, but a very very enjoyable year Yeah, it looks great. I'm just looking at the cover of it. It really stands out You know when you see that The history is there obviously downy and you know total parry braddy that's spread Was it was it a I suppose that I give you a bit of uh luxury in terms of picking 25 that you could Go through a few different eras there if you like and pick out the players because it would have been very difficult to to tighten that down note about them Very very difficult actually says to Liam at the start. I says, who do you want me to interview? And he says that's your department So I had to go and sit down and draw up 25 names out of No 50 60 years of Derry's history, which is very difficult in itself, but I tried to get it across as many years as possible And you know as different clubs and different You know just different areas and the thing about it is it wasn't intentional that it was linked With the 30th anniversary of Derry winning the lion But Liam did say to me at the time he says look You're going to be doing a book here and things are going well on Derry You know, there's there's good. There's a good feeling good factor about it And I know even from my own point of view With Derry being close at the minute to challenging for Sam From reading some of the chapters you nearly were inspired by some of it to be honest and Hopefully the hopefully the readers and we'll feel that and you know, even I've said it on a couple of interviews If even the Derry players themselves as you tick them in Cassie's chapter and get it laminated and read it every every month because I actually felt like buying the ball the next day and going out and playing You know, it's just he was talking about how close Derry were And what they had to actually do to get there and just to keep knocking at the door And it's maybe a wee bit the way things are at the moment. So You know, those things that got through through the book Brenton, but it's not all about 93 because some of the boys who played on that era, they didn't actually pick a Derry game Like Dermot Nickel picked a McCrory Cup game. You know, he was a very prominent player Tony Scullion picked one from the international rules and Cairn McKever, for example He actually found it very difficult to pick a game. He couldn't decide between Derry beating Meath in a National League final, you know, the county's first game Sorry, the county's first one at Cook Park in such a long time Before events he's settling on don't give him one in the Ulster club Something that he just, you know, he keeps thinking about every day of his life. So there's so many different stories in there But obviously the story of 93 30 years on there's a nice theme running through it and Maybe more special is there's a theme of Eamon Coleman Going through the book. I often think if Eamon Was alive and you're writing his chapter, what scheme would he have picked? But a lot of the players who would have played on them spoke so well about him and you nearly feel as if you know Yeah, and indeed listen, I remember meeting Eamon in In 98, we lost the Ulster final to yourselves We'll not go under that, but we were at Ulster All-stars then It was the first time I met him and you know for someone like me, I'd never really No, I'd never played Verdonik all before that really underage You're kind of thrust under this But to meet Eamon and all that heard about him, like he was such a different character You know, you know, you break the mold kind of thing And you could hear that from a lot of boys playing under him and it goes to me I'm not going to tell you how good you are. That's what he said to me when I met him And you know the way well, there's only certain people when they speak to you, you'll never forget it And Eamon was like that, you know, he was such his own man And you spoke there about, you know, some of the passages there No hair stand in the back of your neck stuff, motivational stuff There's some real raw leaders and it's just like in their DNA And as you're as you're taking that across there, it's affecting you there as a dairyman It is and even, you know, in terms of the fact, we've done with all the listeners on here, Rendon and Like a couple of players have spoke about, you know, the McEnuff and Coleman relationship Where they absolutely thought tooth and nail to take it over each other, you know, on Championship Day But I think those Demi and Barton had said to me that he met Brian McEnuff a couple of times and whenever Whenever a day would get passed on, he'd call it McEnuff would wholeheartedly Want to do it to one of the All-Ireland because he was a massive Ulster man And you know, there was that sort of rivalry between the managers I thought was also very special during it as well Yeah, well, listen, and not only McEnuff, let's be honest We were also born in Derry in 93, you know, I know there was a big rivalry then But it wasn't, it didn't get to the stage where you have the rivalries now Where teams probably, maybe we bit the grudging, he might admit it to people from that county But they're not, they're certainly not supporting them, but I can remember back in 93 We were all shouting 100% for Derry Yeah, right, that's the way it should be, you know, like we all supported the Ulster teams And the theme in the book is how much inspiration they took from, you know, the downed on the all here of it all Sorry, Mal, I just lost you there a second Mal, I was just looking there, thinking about what you were saying there about Ulster and McEnuff And playing there and playing, and I played with Henry Downey And a member of Gean coming in there and thinking about it, I'm just a wee lad, basically So Henry stands up and speaks in the dressing room And just like you're saying there, I remember thinking to myself, wow You know, look at that guy there, I mean, he asked me to do something, I'm doing it And I kind of got to know him a wee bit then And around the nightclubs of Derry, but he bought them I'm in the Broughwood Bay in there, Sheamus And Topfella, hey, he came down to play, I was looking after Unans in 2012 By the management team, he came down and played a friendly there, by Lavie And he had some presence about him Mal, and you'd have to say that, you know, guys, you've got to gain They just don't come around too often and it's almost, you know, it's like destiny You know that somebody comes going to lift the Sam no more than our own Anthony Melloyer, Michael Murphy It just seemed like that was going to be what was going to happen Even though it's almost a once-in-a-lifetime thing It is, like that team is full of leaders, you know, and they actually spoke about You know, just how quiet a leader Henry was, it was literally Yes, you still here, Mal? Yeah, I'm still here, yeah Sorry, sorry, Lane's just going out in a small bit for me there Mal, the book then, we can get the book all over, it's in all bookshops Have you come in and infiltrated Donegal here? We're always supporting the Derry Boys, I'm telling you, it's not really you We have this you with and I'll not tell you who it is So we'll keep it all positive here We've always, I don't know why that is Well, there's certainly certain rivalries right around Ulster And I know your own new manager, there's been a lot of furor about that there But even though they come back to the M90s This time there was a Derry Donegal thing there I thought it never got, no, maybe I'm innocent to that And even in 98 when we lost the final there was no kid animosity We lost the football match away you go The animosity seemed to creep in as when there was more championship games And there were more teams playing each other and familiarity Breeding contempt, as we say It probably is, as you say, you're going to be playing backdoor games And we'll be twice the same year, not definitely Yeah, yeah indeed, Mal We are going to almost out of time here Joe Dexas tell me to line up the music now Mal, so listen, all good books, all good bookshops Stock and Fowler, great book to be read about Game of my life, picking the top 25 Derry players From your excellent experience of the game Yeah, it's in all local shops around the county And David in the Lerner County Shopping Centre Will be stocking it as well for the people who want to read about 1993 And how the reins saved Donegal from Mahamara Yeah, that's one way to put it, Mal We all remember it in our own ways, a game that should never be made Not my words, not one of the player's words We've got a counter version you can sell, Mal, I'll tell you Listen Mal, 100% thanks for wrapping that up And good luck with the book And so we might talk to you now, as Ulster Club winds down And goes to the final Good luck on your big event in Friday, week, Brent Appreciate that, Mal, thank you very much Top man there, Michael McBullen, indeed there Of the Gillick Life, good luck on them With his book also, Joe, I want to thank you For producing the show this evening Or guess that contributor stays tuned For the excellent Monday night sessions And we are going to call the day for now Jimmy and Paul are getting ready there I'll speak to you all next week The DL Debate with Sister Sarah's Ladder Kenny