Welcome back to impulsive the number one podcast in the world. That's the statistical fact. I know what you're thinking Logan you're not on your typical impulsive set and you're absolutely right the backdrop behind me is probably not fooling you There's a good reason for that. We have a very very special guest today One of the biggest crowds we've had as well. I just got to be with 700 to a thousand people Standing behind the cameras right now. Hit that subscribe button guys. I'm gonna say before this episode starts Take out a notepad Honestly, this could be one of the most impactful Impulsive episodes we've ever had with one of the most special guests. We've ever had and it's actually why we're sitting outside. I Got the opportunity for my dear friend an ex roommate Andre to have this guest on our podcast and he said The only way the only way he'll do it is if you if we were we able to do it outside Obviously with a studio in my garage that doesn't count. I said, you know what? We'll move it outside for this guy because I really do I believe in him I was able to attend an event that you guys had the other day and I Just learned how how badass and how full of wisdom This guy sitting across from you. So ladies and gentlemen without further ado We have in our presence one of the most prominent most viewed spiritual gurus in the world on Apprentices ladies and gentlemen sad guru. I made Maria found out you were coming I saw standing behind the van and shooting me. She was sweating. I said Maria. Why are you sweating? She said I love this guy. I follow all of this stuff And she says I think she's here somewhere. She's right over there. She's so excited for you to be here and What I was at Andre's, you know, we're all waiting for you to show up And I don't know what to expect, right? But you come cruising in on a motorcycle Took off your helmet and it's like a divine light just like was shining down on you And then you took your seat sang a hymn and gave these nuggets of wisdom that made so much sense to me and You caught my attention when you began speaking by saying You were the one that was skeptical of everything I'm like you See it to believe the type of guy. You're trying I'm trying so that's why I started growing on my beard because yours is obviously so long plentiful bountiful and full of wisdom but you caught my attention because The things you were saying seems so grounded in reality. They seem so so so Believable and practical utilitarian and applicable to life and they made sense to me. So just happy to have you here Andre again. Thank you for making this happen You know a lot about him and I want to turn to you to give us some talking points I'm where to start because one thing I learned in just listening to the event you held the other day was The man knows Everything he's got the answers to everything. No, you know, you do you have the answers to everything We're going we got some we got some, you know relationship problems We want to ask because none of us know what is everything. So it's okay Yeah, brother, just appreciate you. How you doing? Thanks for joining us today Just wrote for an hour from outside of LA. Whoa, that is a tarmac is burning hot. This is nice That's hot today. So you've just been traveling the past month over all across America on your motorcycle, correct? Yeah, and activating the conversation of spirituality and you know getting to witness the beauty that the spiritual People here have and with the indigenous people and Native Americans And so what has been the most fascinating thing that you've been revealed and seen for your travels? Well There are too many things you'll need many days to listen to that So let me tell you the most prominent thing that's stuck in my mind is Matoti Pila Which is unfortunately today being referred to as the devil's tower It is a phenomena that all of you young people must experience It is so incredibly powerful and so rare. I don't think that form of energy which we Refer to in the human body, can I elaborate a bit or is it just an introduction? So in the human body we recognize That for us to be so complex as you know, we are the most complex creatures on this planet Which a whole lot of human beings are suffering unfortunately, but the complexity is what makes our life rich To make this life so complex there are many our energies of finding expression in many different ways We identify 114 different ways in which it's finding expression of this it is categorized as seven So seven categories which I think in California. You would have heard of seven chakras and stuff like that In this there is one particular chakra which is referred to as the Vishuddhi a region which is in the throat region This is Normally in I would say 99% of the human beings. It remains in its seed form throughout their life It never blossoms this one aspect Because if this blossoms there is such power to that human being that he can Touch beyond his physical reach literally touch. I'm saying Physically you can touch life, which is beyond your physical reach. You can see things beyond your visual capabilities So this is one of the most rarest aspects of human development Which happens only with a very few people who are concertedly focused on that But here there is a natural structure Exuding that dimension in such a powerful way In many ways as I've been looking at the native American culture their spirituality and how they express themselves when I see In many many ways the fundamental is this energy source because if anybody wants to Propagate or transmit spiritual process trans transmit mystical dimensions It's very important that there's a solid energy source. I was always wondering. Where is that energy source? Because we always create one before we transmit we create an energy source Which is always like a backup without that you will dissipate yourself But here there's a natural formation which is standing Over 800 feet Phenomenally reverberating eats a must for all of you young people you must experience this. I I want to I want to get into How you started this spiritual journey? I found that fascinating When I listen you speak in Andres you were 25 years old Still I'm multiple successful businesses and You were praised in the town as as being a man of success a man who had made it and I'll probably should let you tell the story about your life I'll I ask I'm sure you've told this story so many times But you know our audience hasn't heard it or some of them may have some of them may have not and I know when I first Heard it. I found it fascinating. So maybe just a brief Introduction at how you got started into knowing everything in the universe I'm serious. He has all the answers wait till he starts So see I This happened to me when I was just about four and a half years of age Suddenly one day I realized actually I don't know a thing don't know a thing means just don't know anything If somebody gives me a glass of water, I would be staring at this glass of water for hours Because I don't know what is water. I know how to use it even now, you know how to use water But do you know what it is really? To hydrogen molecules and what actually really that's textbook nonsense But what are molecules but what are atoms like that? right now Two-thirds of the planet is water covered with water covered by water rather It is available in all the three states. It's liquid solid air gaseous everything Wherever if we want to search for life we search for a drop of water Somebody finds a drop of water trace of water and Mars and now we think life is possible So this is a very basis of our life But do we know what it is? Actually with all the scientific exploration, we do not know a single atom. We know how to use it We in the even the invisible atom, we know how to break it how to fuse it how to make a bomb out of it How to kill everybody from it, but we don't know what it is We don't know what it is So if I find a leaf, I'm staring at it for four hours five hours if I sit up in the night I'm just staring at darkness for hours My father being a physician He started thinking that I need psychiatric evaluation Doctors, you know Yeah, maybe So see So in this condition they sent me to school My mother said you must pay attention to the teachers. You're always at something else So I went and paid attention to the teachers The kind of attention that they never imagined anybody would pay to them. Nobody had ever paid that kind of attention I sit there and I know their past present and future staring at them staring at them staring at them sometimes somebody said don't stare at me like this I'm just a little boy four five-year-old boy, but they're kind of uncomfortable the way I'm staring at them So I went to school and initially they started saying things and I sort of understood what they're trying to say And then I realized teacher after teacher Coming and making actually sounds and sounds and sounds see right now. I'm making sounds Because both of us think we know English language. You're making meaning out of this Suppose I start speaking in any one of the Indian languages. They will be just sounds for you. Isn't it? We're just making sounds this language is a conspiracy between two people. I make this sound you make that meaning I thought I make that sound you make that meaning, you know, this is the whole thing so I stopped making meanings and just started listening to the sounds and Every 45 minutes a new teacher will come and make sounds and sounds and sounds it became very amusing and A big smile spread on my face, but they were not amused at all So I saw that there's no point and I went to school only when it was absolutely necessary the rest of the time I kind of Had more interesting explorations in the world So one day it happened. I mean now about 11 years ago this school Where I studied almost 45 years ago or more They came to invite me for their 125th anniversary school anniversary. I said see please why me I was not just a bad student. I was not even a student. I only came in it was absolutely necessary Why me? they said see our school has produced ministers in the cabinet our school has produced sports stars our school has Produced cinema stars, but you are the only mystic. So you must come. I Said okay, and I went I Went there and stood up in the quarter angle to speak I looked around same oppressive buildings And then I looked at this particular room, and then I remember I was around 12 years of age one afternoon Because at that time I'm in this condition. I don't know anything if I pay attention to something I can't take my eyes off it. I'm just looking at it still trying to figure it out. What is it? So they can't get my attention So he asked me a question something. I Just look at him. I don't even hear the question. Okay. I hear sounds. I don't make meanings out of it something Everybody's blabbering something all the time So I just look at him and he tries to get an answer from me for about 35 40 minutes He tries hard to get make me say something when I don't know anything What is there to say? So I was in that condition at that time for many days I wouldn't speak because there's nothing to say. What is there to say? I don't know a thing So I was just looking at him After 35 40 minutes of frustration, he got so mad He came and held me by the shoulder shook me violently like that and said You must either be the divine or the devil. I think you're the later Well, I was not insulted or abused by this My problem is what is this? What is that? What is that? What is that? One thing was clear. This is me This guy confused me about this also. I look like this. What is this? Is this divine or devil?  Suddenly I didn't know what is this till now. I was okay I did not know what anything about anything, but I knew this is me Suddenly this guy confused me So that is when I started sitting with my eyes closed trying to see what is this? Well, it took a few years another 12-13 years before I realized what is this? What was that? Huh? See right now what you call as myself is largely the boundaries of your body We can do an experiment actually Sure, let's do it. So you hold both your hands together and With your eyes closed what you do is you intensely rub it like this For about 30 seconds as intensely as possible. It's gonna get hot. I don't like this. I really don't Know where my skin is burning now hold your palms about four inches away from each other Something happening between them some kind of sensation happening between them Not about hands being hot between the two palms. Is that something happening? I don't know please try it again not not not with pressure, but with speed.  It's yeah So there is a sensation What I'm trying to tell you is how did you fix the boundaries of your body? See right now do one thing take your right hand and touch your left hand. Is that you? Is that you? Yes, touch the chair on which you're sitting. Is that you? How do you know this? Cuz I can get off the walk away in the chair. Oh, this whole lot of people have walked away from their body. Haven't they? What about all the dead people? Don't they come back on Halloween? I think I think The most important notion here is to understand that human experience is 100% self-contained. Would you talk? No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying see right now You're fixing the boundaries of who you are only from the boundaries of sensation where there is sensation It's you where there is no sensation. It's not you isn't it? Can I just ask a question? I don't want to get too far ahead But I want to bring this back for the impulsive audience who may not be Aligned with this way of thinking or know who you are exactly or your or your approach. I Have have always been wanting to have a tough time with with all this me and Andre have had many conversations about I'm open-minded to it, but at the end of the day I Always have a Verizon bill to pay. I have health insurance Go to the phone bills. No, no, if you don't use the phone, there are no bills actually No, no, no, let's let's come to the Verizon later right now First of all, how do you define who you are and what you are? Essentially, whatever is within the boundaries of your sensation is you Whatever is outside the boundaries of your sensation is something else, isn't it? See right now this water in this vessel the is this you? Before paying the Verizon, you need to drink water. All right. Is this you? No, it's not it's not no See like I said On your level to answer the question is the water in the glass me Yes, yes, but if you're trying if you drink it Will you become you? That's right. I don't I don't know no no right now two-thirds two-thirds of your body is water All right, it is you but then is it still you in the toilet after you pee it out as well That's up to you to decide Feel like it's more Kind of goes through you know me like a car doesn't go through please hello. It's not like gas I know it's not like gas or engine oil here Your body is a certain composition of food that you've eaten water that you drank and the air that you breathe Yes, or no. Yes, so right now. We're just using water as an example If it's here in this vessel, it's definitely not you it's hundred percent clear But the moment you drink it it goes and integrates itself into this body and some level a part of it may go out That's a different matter, but the rest of it stays all right So now that it is here this water which is in this body. Are you not experiencing this as myself? Yes, yes, sir. No. Yes, I ask a question and then no like this is a legit question. I'm very new to this No, you're not new to life. I'm only asking you simple My question is this if the water is Me and I drink the water and I didn't say it to you. I just asked your question So is it or is it wasn't well, he's in the middle of a spiel bro. He's not done yet So maybe put a pin in your question. No, no the simple thing is this is it true? Your body is an accumulation of food water air and whatever else you consume correct. Yes So similarly the water is here. It's not you you know that but the moment it's inside you experience This is myself. Isn't it? Why?  There are sensations here There are no sensations But boundaries of your sensation can be stretched Simply if you did this you will feel sensations between your arms between your palms Well, you have heard somebody had a whatever an unfortunate incident and they chopped off somebody's leg and Still the experience of leg is still there though The physical leg is not there because there is a sensory body as there is a physical body There is a sensory body this sensory body How large it is depends on how intense your life energies are if your life energies are very Affervent and intense your sensory body becomes larger than your physical body Why everybody is rubbing each other all the time is because they want to experience somebody else as a part of themselves If your sensory body became as large as this space, you would experience everybody here as myself This is what you are thinking is loud. This is what you're thinking is sexuality All that's happening is your sensory body because of a certain moment of exuberance has expanded Because it's expanded somebody feels like they're just a part of you at that moment So now what yoga means is You make your life energy so exuberant.  So your whole experience of life As to what is you and what is not you is determined by where there are sensations It's you where there are no sensations. It's not you, isn't it correct? I'm on board everybody is Where I was going with that question that trying to phrase it the right way, this is change the phone company I guess I guess in half the country that phone company doesn't work Right Where I was going with it is just that I think to a lot of people that listen to this conversation this is a the conversation itself in the entire thought processes is Viewed by by many people as a luxury a luxury that many people don't have the time the ability to to Sit in and to understand where does my life force end? I have four kids We live in a one-bedroom, you know apartment. You shouldn't have made four kids if you have only one bedroom But what I'm saying is people find themselves in circumstances whether they plan to be there or not and Life has a way of dictating how much energy we can we can devote to this type of extracurricular Some would call it paranormal some would call it, you know You should not One second you should not put labels and things that you don't understand you just say right now I don't have time. I don't have energy to do that. I will come to that. Okay, okay But don't put names on this that this is extracurricular. It's not extracurricular It is most fundamental to life if you want to live a sensible life It's important that you know at least what is the nature of your existence Without knowing the nature of your existence if you try to handle this You will make a fool of yourself with the world, right? So now that we know that got it and you ran us through that now that we know the nature of our existence You don't come to a conclusion like that it is opening up one possibility This is for you to wonder what is the nature of my existence which he thinks is a luxury I'm saying it's like this You want to handle something? Let's say you want to handle this camera You know nothing about it and you handle it. What will you produce? I'm asking Yes, that's what life is for most people. That's what he's saying horses in one room. They had five children. Why? There's one room. You should know what to do I'm with you I guess my question is if I go to the grocery store, right and I get to the red shirt I'm buying my lettuce and all of my organic vegetables. I get to the red shirt and they say You know, that'll be sixty-two fifty Organic vegetable and all is too extracurricular just buy it in Walmart Okay, so I'm at the Walmart counter and they asked me for sixty dollars and I say but I have Found out the fundamental principles of life and I have a life force that exists in between my hands when I rub them together What I what I'm getting at is how do you how do you enthrall and ignite the masses to Take part in this conversation about what life means. That's where I was trying to get to with this whole question That's what I was I wanted to I wanted to understand you're dismissing a whole lot of human beings as masses There are no masses.  There is no slum dwellers there Hello Yes, or no This massive people. There's no such people. There are individual human beings Every one of them is concerned about his or her life every one of them want to live well I'm saying if you want to use the camera well The first thing is to read at least the instruction manual even if you don't go for a training, isn't it? Hello, isn't it so correct? So I'm just talking about the instruction manual for such a complex machine that's been given to you the most Sophisticated technology and the planet is this one the human mechanism without knowing a thing about it If you think you can handle it well, you cannot If I can just interject here real quick I think that for me when it comes to spiritual seeking it boils down to the question of who am I right? what is the nature of my existence and The pointing right is to understand who I am I have to first understand why I'm not and so I feel like he was Touching on like under most people are so identified with their mind and their body processes and they think that is them So I think what he was trying to do is give a distinction as to the separation of who you are and what your mind and body are See that is one aspect First of all, I'm saying if you want to conduct anything well Will you conduct it with well if you know everything about it or will you conduct it? Well, if you know nothing about it That's all You talk you want to stand in the grocery line if you are smart you will never stand in the grocery line I have not stood in a grocery line for years All right in four decades Why?  You have a green thumb. It doesn't matter But somehow you will not end up doing basic things for the rest of your life You will get to do something better because every human being is wanting to do something better Wanting to do something bigger wanting to live bigger. Yes or no Yes, but I don't think many human beings are willing to activate on their desires I say this all the time everyone wants Bigger better. Yes. That's the whole thing more expensive more valuable. They are only complaining like this Rebbe are willing to do those who are willing to Understand what is the nature of their life and act upon it? So so so the curiosity that would lead to the answer to that question and it also it sounds like what originally drove you To meditate on that mountain because I know again at 25 years old there You had it's like a spiritual awakening where you said every cell in your body was some sort of ecstasy you had no sense of time and You kept having these revelations and and one time you sat outside for 13 days And you opened your eyes. You thought it had been what I think you said 25 minutes So did that sense of curiosity is that what led you to to to go down the path you went? We must understand it is intrinsic to human intelligence To want to know something more than what is there if you leave your dog out here He's just sniffing out everything even he's curious. He wants to know everything that's there in this garden What's wrong with the human beings? The only thing that's wrong is they've they've arrived at too many conclusions either because of religious beliefs or Philosophical beliefs or ideologies or some nonsense that they've concluded and they've lost The sense of the intrinsic nature of your intelligences wants to expand wants to know This is not somebody has to teach it to you. This is natural You leave a child. It wants to look at everything. Isn't it? So where did you lose it because you made up your philosophies of socialism I? If I can just reflect on that just for a second for for me when I was growing up a lot of my friends called me Like they gave me the title of truth seeker And it was because I asked so many questions for a lot and see and try to poke holes in and what a lot of people Would say and I really unplugged And So you speak about how creating conclusions and beliefs about the world when if you really scope out and take a macro view of like We really don't know what's going on here within humanity We scope out and we see that we're a blue marble earlier on a gas supplier at incredible speeds It's like take yourself back and realize that the beliefs that I made about you know Just dogmas and religions and politics and everything that you hold so close is Hinderring us from being able to look at things for what they actually are And so if you could just speak on how creating beliefs and conclusions about everything destroy our ability to seek I think it would be very valuable See when you say I believe something. What does it mean? I will ask you a simple question. Can I sure of course extracurricular question How many of you believe in God just raise one hand Okay How many of you believe you have two hands just raise one hand Do you believe you have two hands? No, of course So I'm asking you do you believe you have two hands or do you know that you have two hands? Both Really? Yeah, both if you know you have two hands, where is the need to believe you have two hands? One follows the other No, why not if you know something. Why do you have to believe it? If I know something, why do I have to believe it? Yeah, you know it. I believe one follows the other. No, no I believe the truth. I Have two hands. That's true. I believe it See If the word believe means the word believe essentially means you do not know something but you believe it is so Sure, but you could believe and see I believe you are a good guy. What does it mean? I don't know That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know what you are, but I believe you're a good guy I believe he's nice and I went to him and he was terrible So are you saying forget about the belief and just I'm not saying but first understand the Distinction between knowing something and believing something. So whatever we do not know It is most wonderful of you and human of you to see I do not know Because I do not know is a tremendous possibility Tremendous possibility the moment you destroy. I do not know your entire learning and expansion processes come to a cease And this is what you're doing with your belief that you believe this you believe that all these days people are saying I believe God now they're saying in California. I believe in myself. I don't know what that means I believe in God And I do know that there's a God So you're saying to sacrifice my belief. I am not asking you to do anything I am asking you to look at the distinction between knowing something and not knowing something But do you feel like this would be tricky for Christians saying I don't want to get into a religious debate here All I'm saying there is no no, I'm talking about belief. I didn't even talk about religious Like right before you got into this You can't you can say that You believe that I said it We knew this was gonna happen today, we're not experts I'm gonna stand by my co-host here.  Knowledge we're talking about knowing right, so let me just make a distinction between knowledge and knowing Knowledge is an accumulated information. I Know this this and that by knowledge means I have accumulated information today Everybody is knowledgeable about everything. This doesn't mean to say they know it They know it through the phone screen everything in the universe, but they don't know it by experience of anything So knowing is by experience. I have two hands is my knowing I know it is there All right, even if I close my eyes, it's there if you argue with me. It's there. It's there anyway So belief is something else right now. I know something. I do not know something. These are two facts of life If you live in truth, you will know some things you will not know some things what you do not know Naturally your intelligence will want to know you don't have to seek it consciously The moment you see I do not know Your intelligence will start working the in-between thing is what you do not know You want to believe and make yourself feel like you know it and that's caused tremendous Trouble to human beings assuming things that they do not know. I think that's one of the biggest problems facing right now in our country I don't know how well you've been here, but I think it's safe to say America's probably the most divided It's ever been especially with the pandemic going on.  This is better than that Yeah We are to something like that happening. No, like like truth truthfully. We'll make some time everybody gets hot. It's okay I wanted to build off of his his knowing versus believing I don't remember which school of thought if it was played over Aristotle, but do you believe that? All knowledge comes from what is gathered by one of the sensory Parts of life by one of the senses is that your belief you see something you believe you smell something believe it Or is there a or is there room for? Faith is there room for metaphysical understanding of certain things do leave that open or do you have to? Experience it through one of the senses See if you go by your sensory perception Right now I touch this and I say it's cool No, I don't know what this is Only because it's cooler than my body. I'm saying it's cool If somebody else who is much cooler than me Touches this they'll say this is warm. Yes or no So I'm saying your experience of senses is a very relative experience It's good enough for survival not good enough for knowing the nature of what it is For survival process you're seeing hearing smelling tasting touching Which is what you're saying to go to the grocery store all this is good enough But if you want to know what it is you cannot know through your senses How do I want to get into that? How do you find out? What it really is beyond your senses. What's the what's the practice that gets you there? It's not about our practice first of all See if you want to cross a border first you must get to the border, isn't it? Right now you want to go to Mexico You can't go from here. You must at least get to the border first So if you want to know this is why I started with the border, but you went into something else I said the border of your experiences Sensations If something comes and touches it's a sensation If you see something it's a certain kind of sensation if you smell something it's a certain kind of sensation Everything in your experience is sensation. It may not be sensational But it is sensation that is why we're calling them as sense organs. They create Sensations in the system these sensations are vital if you want to live in this world If you want to survive in this world Otherwise you would know anything suppose you had no ears eyes knows nothing. Would you know what is here? Nothing isn't it total blank You fall asleep. What is happening your heart is beating your liver is functioning kidneys are functioning everything functioning now They're telling you even your brains are functioning But you don't know thing simply because all the five gates of sensations have closed down, isn't it? So your experience of life is right now limited to sensory perception and that is the reason all this confusion Because the nature of sensei a sensory perception is such if you see this part of my hand You cannot see this part of my hand, isn't it? So you always perceive everything in parts Now with these parts you're trying to make a hole. It doesn't work like that right now People's understanding of what creation is what existence is he's it's a trillion piece jigsaw But they find three pieces put it together and they form something and say this is it. This is it I believe this is what it is you can believe whatever you want if we work hard enough on you from your childhood We can make you believe any damn thing in the universe. Just know this right I agree with that. Is that a shortcoming of humanity is that is that is that because our brains have not developed to a point where we Are no longer limited by what we see feel touch smell here or is there a way to break that boundary and have you done it? See human brain. There's nothing deficient about it The deficiency is people are trying to operate without using the user's manual. They don't know damn thing about their brains That is a problem because they have lots of beliefs They have lots of beliefs and beliefs and beliefs so they can't use their brains But the moment you see I do not know something. Do you see your brain starts working in a certain way? It starts exploring immediately it's through exploration you have come to America. I'm saying isn't it People came to America because of exploration not because they believed nobody believed there was a land here They thought they were going to India Yesterday somebody asked me what is what is your experience of? You know that Columbus landed in America and called the people here Indians. What do you think about it? How do you feel I said I'm glad he didn't land in India, but I'm sorry. He landed here Talk about this necessity for curiosity and this I don't know or Questioning don't use the word curiosity. Okay curiosity is a very surface thing Okay, but when you realize I do not know There is a pain of not knowing Right, and it leads and it leads to that to that questioning, right? one of one of the things that I Some people use that aren't as you know that don't sit on a meditation System to get to that place of curiosity to get to that place of questioning and not knowing and being open to Looking at things in a nice supply some vocabulary What's that seeking seeking? Thank you so much. Like I said brand new to this one thing. Some of these people use is mind-altering drugs ayahuasca psilocybin Surgeoned acid. What are your thoughts on on getting to this to this place of understanding through alternate needs? see it's like You can jinx the brain to create all kinds of experiences just by Strongly dreaming about it. You can do it actually people do it You can hypnotize somebody and make them go through all kinds of things If you're only hunting for experiences, it's fine But what I'm talking is not about hunting for experiences a genuine exploration If you put on a VR and sit here, you may go to Mars right now But you've not gone to Mars. That's all I'm saying So by making some chemical changes forcefully by introducing something whether it's of natural origin origin or it came from the back street of Something it doesn't matter where it came from you stimulate something chemically and an experience happened if you if you did it just one time and use You use this as a way to understand that I'm capable of these experience experiences, you know Yesterday, I was just doing the daily court today morning. The court was something like this if I can repeat that It is like whatever was the most wonderful and the peak Level of emotion or experience you had make that your baseline in your life Because you're capable of that. All right You're capable of that what you're capable of must happen what you're not capable of will not happen That's a different matter What is what you're capable if you're level if you're capable of a certain level of joy That must be your baseline now you will explore what's beyond now most people think this peak experiences happen Only when somebody loves me only when I pop this pill only when I smoke this stuff This is the wrong way to do it if you used it just once to understand that my body and my You know experience is capable of reaching such a peak and then you start living there That's great, but every time you have to pop something and tomorrow you're sick. What's the point of that? So I'm your peace and happiness. I know I've asked you all what do you truly want, right? We're like, what do you truly want in this life? And we in the 3d material world are chasing a lot of things Because of the feeling that it's going to give us right and so peace and happiness seems to be the answer Amongst a lot of people that I ask and I hear you talk about how peace should be the fundamental baseline foundation in which you live Not the highest aspiration So if you speak for people that don't have that peace currently within their life and want that to be the basis for their whole life How can they do that? Yeah, this is the most unfortunate thing in the world that most human beings Just do not know how to be at ease. They're not even at ease forget about joy forget about blissfulness There is no ease at all in this jungle state And now they say this is how human beings are doctors say because that's their business For pharmaceutical companies say that's their business. See for example, United States. We are here in USA So let's take this as an example. This is the most affluent country on the planet right now Why does an individual person or a society or a nation seek affluence in the first stage of Affluence, it's a choice of nourishment. I can eat what I want if I'm hungry. Why I'm thinking of money Why because if I have money I can eat whatever I want in the second level of affluence. It's the lifestyle I can live the way I want I can do things today. I want to do So now in the most affluent country where there is a choice of nourishment and a choice of lifestyles like nowhere else Why are you spending 3.25 trillion dollars as your health care? Something must be wrong with you Hello When you have a choice of nourishment and choice of lifestyle, why are you sick? I'm asking 3.25 trillion dollars is more than India's budget. All right, annual budget for 1.2 billion people So where do we go wrong? That's what we are looking at No, it's not about greed the problem is without understanding if you do not know how this camera functions and you use it I'll assure you this is gonna break down in three days Yes or no one who knows it they may use it for a lifetime one who does not know it will break it in three days Yes or no That's all you're doing No, no, it's not about them.  You don't know a thing about this Because you think by fixing the outside world everything will be okay because roads are done bridges are done Airplanes are flying you think everything is done. No a Human X human experience essentially happens from within you Outside conducive atmospheres. We want to create that is there. See it's like this If if you look at it, he articulated this in one way Essentially, what is it that you want you want pleasantness of the body if body becomes pleasant we call it health Do you want it so badly? Yes, if it becomes where if it becomes very pleasant we call it pleasure If mine becomes pleasant we call this peace If it becomes very pleasant we call this joy If your emotions become pleasant we call this love if it becomes very pleasant we call it compassion If your very life energies become pleasant we call this blissfulness if it becomes very pleasant we call it ecstasy If your surroundings become pleasant we call it success Only to create your surroundings in a pleasant manner you need the cooperation of all these people But for pleasantness of body pleasantness of mind pleasantness of emotion and energy. It is 100% your business. Yes or no So only to create pleasantness around us. We need there because there are many forces involved. We need help from them We need cooperation from them. Otherwise anybody can make it nasty right now But what happens in your body?  If you take charge of this creating pleasantness in the atmosphere You're at least competent to do it Otherwise you're always at somebody else's mercy why everybody wants to meet the most wonderful person why I'm asking you Why the hell are you not that wonderful person? Why are you looking for that wonderful person to mess them up? Andre Andre brought up something which is is near and dear to me and this is this fight or quest for inner peace and and I Speak about this a little bit And you speak about People's inability to to understand and and and to not ask the right questions or to not seek properly what are your thoughts on underlying mental health conditions as a as a combatant to people's ability to find that inner peace do you believe in in true mental health as Scientifically diagnosed or you're not a believer in it I'm not a believer or a disbeliever of anything. I'm willing to look at every aspect of life as it is Is it okay Because you're continuously coming back to believe believe do you believe this do you believe that I don't believe a damn thing? Nor do I disbelieve anything What happens when you die?  Why don't you ask the question with yourself? What happens when I die? Some some things you know best only by experience. Sure. You want me to die right here right now because you want to experience I'll get a lot of use I won't do it. But seriously, dude. So you Based on what you just said technically you don't have a belief on what happens when you die, but surely You think I just I have just this year in the month of February I published a book called death, which is on a top seller of selling lists for the last ten months Continuously the book is titled as death an inside story.  This is where it gets tricky now You know, I'll tell you because you do not know what is in the heaven.   That is one sensible thing to do. I'm telling everybody in United States I know I will become very unpopular Why are you wasting cutting a tree when a man dies? At least plant a tree Because you make good manure. Have you seen those? Have you seen those sacks? Have you seen the serious tree pots? There's these sacks. You can place your body in a tree will grow I know you don't need a sack also in India We just wrap them in a cloth with salt and everything and we put them there and plant a tree Alright, I gotta ask you is Mars out of play like in the way of that you seek Can I ask this question probably like if I get buried on Mars? You know your body material Unless you want to be exported to another planet you this material you picked up from this planet When your job is done, it's best to give it back because it's just a loan No, no mother earth gave you this body Thinking that you will use it for your well-being and put it back when your job is done You want to steal it and run away somewhere. Well, some girl whole foods Once told me that I was just made of stardust. She was very convincing. She said we're all just stardust. All right I guess what I'm getting eyes is like no, let's let's finish this. Okay, so These are all different offerings in the heaven But the this thing is you must die first when you die we put your body here no matter what in which form We put it we put it somewhere either in a sack or a box or whatever. We put it here So you went to heaven and you don't have a body now. What do you do with good food and virgins? I'm asking How could you take advantage of the good food and virgins just like your it's like spirit food Well, here's why this is tricky because say say you died a very young age Seriously, this is why I get confused What goes to heaven your soul great is your soul is it which all right or left? The left soul on my shoe Is it the soul sit set? Unfortunate it's something unfortunate happens a five-year-old dies is the fight does the soul of the five-year-old goes To heaven or hell as a five as a five-year-old soul The problem is there is no there is no line between what you know and do not know that's why all this confusion Right now you do not know the nature of your existence, but you're talking about a soul because somebody told you so I'm not questioning whether it's true or not. All I am saying is you do not know Hello, somebody may be something may be true, but you do not know that's the important thing Because unless it comes into your experience, it's not there. Isn't it see right now if I close my sense it here and goes off All these people don't exist Because they're not in my experience, isn't it so It's only what is in your experience, which is true for you rest.  That's called belief Are you afraid of dying? Play that It looks like you're a person who loves life See Life is not my decision life has happened to me Okay, if we were able to cause life That's different. We didn't cause it Something much bigger than us cause life for us Now it's your business to see that it happens at the highest point Because you've been given an intelligence. You've been given a capability You must see it happens at the highest point when I say highest point not in a social context But within you you must be at your peak Otherwise you're a wasted life Can I You have concerns that you have to pay your Verizon's bill so you go with the long face on the street No, the per the thing is just this right now the only and only and only thing that you have is life rest is all your assumption Can I take a second to get sort of personal and Andre you do Summer brought it up The story of your wife was it's not a story The reality of your wife, and I don't know how to fathom What occurred but It's kind of goes along what you were just talking about About living at the peak And on Saturday, I heard you speak or Sunday I heard you speak and you talked about her having the desire to go at What she felt was her peak Mm-hmm and In meditation Correct me if I'm wrong in meditation She made the conscious decision To leave this planet is it a question or it's a statement I'm trying to phrase Coming from someone again who's just gotten immersed in this world Having that level of whether you want to call it enlightenment connectedness knowingness Seems unfathomable to me See You're living in a culture Where the only dream is to survive better than somebody else In the last 200 years that's been the only dream how to be better than everybody else survive a little better have a little more than everybody else But you're also Right now you and me are sitting on a land where for people The distinction between life and death was very thin in their understanding and experience of life The native American people lived like this. I Was amazed to see that only recently I discovered that They are talking about a doorway in on top of the head. They're saying there is a doorway They call it by something of their own language shy. What okay? Kapavi, which is a doorway that you can open up and leave it is through that life came and it is through that you can exit this is a well established science in India and There are any number of yogis who left their body like the sitting among people Announcing to everybody today. I will leave and just leave Yes, of course because you put this on You put on the body, isn't it slowly over a period of time? If what you accumulate if you can't put it down, are you stuck or no? Suppose you picked up this vessel and you cannot put it down. It's stuck to your hand. Is it a good thing? So similarly you put on this body. It's stuck to you. You don't know how to keep it down That's a terrible thing That's what people are suffering right now being stuck in their bodies. They don't know what to do. So What Mahasamadhi means is it's not that they left and went to another planet or something They just dissolved as a person. There is no persona anymore So it's a different dimension of life I think this is too light an uncommitted atmosphere to debate or discuss such a thing If you're interested, I will talk to you in a different kind of atmosphere where there would be better understanding and above all I don't want to casually discuss my wife with a whole bunch of people who don't understand what it is Who don't understand what it is Again, I feel like that Can go over a lot of people's head anyway, this question came up the other day. Also, it seems to be bothering all of you Let me put it this way The other day also somebody asked a question. I don't remember who and they said like this it happened Will you not marry again? So I'm saying I don't come from that kind of background One person falls off pick up another one tomorrow morning I don't come from that kind of thing because lives melded in a certain way and That person evolved to a point where I did not imagine that that person would evolve like that Beyond my imagination beyond my expectation Something was done something that is considered so phenomenal and secret in the entire Culture and in the yogic culture it is always considered that way So when the atmosphere is like that, I don't want to sit and discuss my wife with all the people All right, I totally get it. It's yeah, I'm sorry if I overstepped any boundaries. I just Hoping it's fascinating to me Yeah, I think You know from from religion to responsibility from solace to solution I hear In these conversations and I'm really curious with the privilege that we have right now in this gathering and with Logan's influence and The influence of many people that are watching this They don't know where to begin It seems like a lot and it goes over their head and so now we get very easy to Make it very clear where to begin Unless you hop in with in between things like this Right now standing in the grocery queue. He's not even on his mind. All right He's just throwing it because he thinks that is a philosophy which will counter everything I want to tell you I read my main camp when I was 11 12 I have become a strong Activist when I'm just well 13 and at 14 15. I'm thinking of joining our joining armed struggle So it's not new to me that kind of logic that kind of rhetoric as if it's a solution for everything. Yes Intellectually it looks like socialism communism seems to be the ultimate solution Please try it to enforce it and see what a mess it becomes Go and see in other parts of the world where it's become an absolute mess. All right So this is not because this is not because I like something you dislike something. It's not about that Ultimately when it comes to life what really works for maximum number of people that is the important thing, isn't it? Regardless of the Successory of communism or socialism or the grocery line way of thinking right that I'm stuck in or have not thought my way out of It is the way of things in this world right now in many places. Maybe not so much in other places What is the reason for that? Is it the teaching of the parents? Is it the education system? Is it mostly religion? Who is the main? perpetrator when it comes to set belief systems and As opposed to giving us a starting point for creating new belief systems How do you create a desire for the teachers of the next generation to? Look out stick outside the box say for a long time in The name of religion in the name of philosophy in the name of ideologies a variety of kind all sorts of things have been promised And all the promises are elsewhere Not here. I'm saying because you're all Continuously talking about belief if you believe there is a better place than where we are right now up there Why are you not gone? I'm asking This makes sense to me if you genuinely believe there's up there a better place than this you should be gone Isn't it hello? Well based based on the religions that people Utilize to believe in this better place We don't get to choose the day the day showed you can choose the day You can choose the day. It's very simple Well, I think it just speaks into what we were talking about earlier, right? If we really knew that there was something outside after we died there was a heaven that we really knew If we actually knew then yeah, I would want to go right now. Yeah, but because it's because it's a belief That becomes a difficulty That's wrong So like you said life was given to us. So we're not allowed to take it For example, I can't take my whole life and I can't take Mike's life So redeem the reward that the Lord has given to me at the end of my time when he is chosen my time Not me because I haven't gone through what I need me to go through I agree with you have no you or anybody has no right to take life yourself somebody else's That is a given. All right, but I'm saying Why is it That the idea of a better place than this has come is because right now people are suffering within themselves All right, why are they suffering? I want you to understand this Whether it's joy or suffering Essentially, both of them are happening from within you. Is that so? If it's happening from within you what happens from within you at least what happens from within you must happen your way, isn't it? If it happens your way, would you be blissful or miserable?  Yes, if you were feeling very pleasant, would you be always thinking of going to another place which is more pleasant? No, right now the entire human this thing is set up on a better place somewhere else So before like there's a lot of you if I say this people are going to comment down below Okay, I'm sure you feeling your place is great, but coming from a 2005 like five George were I'm working at a nine to five every single day And I do have a boss to answer to and I do have bills to pay and I do have Responsibilities I do not want to take part of I still found those days just as joyful as the situation I have now because I Invited the Lord into my life. So you're saying why don't you just go there now? I'm saying I'm not saying you should go there now. No, but you're saying now I'm not saying you're saying but I'm saying if that was the idea of like if okay, if there's a better place I haven't wanted they just go now My combat was why don't you just bring heaven here with you? I think that's what he's saying Actually, you're both on the same page. I'm saying so great But I don't I am still looking forward to something greater, but I'm also bringing it here So I feel like religion can't do that and I feel like see I I've never said a word I don't know from where you're getting this. I have never said the word This is it or that is it all I'm saying is Instead of simply seeing what I do not know as I do not know You're making up things in your mind. Now. Is it true that? Major religions on the planet unfortunately or on a collision course all the time True. True. Why because I believe one thing you believe another thing after all. It's just belief. Why don't we change it? the way it works Because belief means you made it up. I think just the Respective you have your beliefs. I have my beliefs. We could still be on the same But it's not worked, right? Millions and millions hundreds of millions of people have died in the last 500 years Yes, because of my religion versus your religion. Is that a fact? True.  I'm willing to throw my life for something. Thank you question. It depends what you're doing it for Yeah, I'm doing it for my god Who's different than your god? Do you see what he's saying? Yeah, but true But if your god interferes in my life, so that you so what you just described See, that's what I'm saying. I want you to understand every religion starts off with this If you worship the false gods, you must what terrible things should happen to you So that is been the basis. Unfortunately What you think is right is ab this is absolutism that you think this is absolute Everything else is not okay. I am saying The thing is The most fundamental thing is if you're truthful if you're sincere about your life What you know, you know what I do not know. I do not know If you really look at it, you hardly know anything about anything That's a fact and just when you're walking on the street If you do not know how you walk on the street if you think, you know how you walk on the street Is there a difference?  Depending on what arena you work in being the humble nice guy may not always be the wind tactic How do you how do you bring that humility into the sales world into the stock world or should those worlds cease to exist? So you're talking to me like I am living in some Himalayan cave and I've just I want you to understand I am running I'm running an organization with over 11 million volunteers with a variety of activity across the world. All right With various active projects, which are every day have to be done and businesses that have to be done And people on my hands all the time So I'm not coming from a cave where I have no responsibilities. I have no nothing I have nothing to manage I'm sitting here. I'm talking lala land to you Come on So I guess what you're saying is uh These exercises these practices this seeking is something that could be layered into the lives of just about anyone Please tell me this It doesn't matter What kind of job you're doing even if you're a soldier fighting a war would it help? To be very balanced sane joyful And then you will do even if you have to kill you'll only do it to the extent you have to nothing more nothing less Right now people are taking pleasure in doing what they're doing. Isn't it? Something has to be done sometimes unfortunately If the situations force you to do it, but you will do it only to the extent it's necessary, but If you are not in that state if there is a certain level of Angs there is a certain level of anger and hatred in you You will do things beyond the limits of what should be done This has happened all over the world in the name of nationhood in the name of religion In the name of race in the name of caste creed Ray every kind of thing in gender every kind of thing people have done horrendous things. Why? Because they believe this is it that is it absolutism If you see I do not know You will walk gently Absolutism is the devil Can I say that? If you're getting religious one Absolutism no good the worst. I have a question never taken a sip of alcohol, right? You ever taken a sip of alcohol? I don't need to because I'm always drunk Ever smoke weed? I'm always told you've not seen my eyes yet I know that I know that so so so straight edge, but I'm wondering as a as a fellow uh person who's Curious about life to the highest degree Or as you would say seeking How have you not had the desire to try? See you are living in Los Angeles. You think that is where life is. No, sir. I don't. I'm from Ohio Okay, why also I heard a lot of who does this last two months? Yeah, yeah So See you're living in a certain society. You think this is the only way to explore I Came up in a place Where I made sure I'm not influenced by anything either Whatever the religion around me the family around me the community around me the politics around me I made sure none of those things influence me if nothing influences you It's you see I keep telling people see I I'm absolutely uneducated They think uneducation means not going to school or college No, uneducated means you did not pick up any ways of anybody's You're simply the way the life is Because your life everything else is assumed if you have experienced The nature of life that you are and the source of life, which is also throbbing within you Why would you try picking up leaves and weeds? Aren't you curious Hey, I know what what you know through the weed. I know a million x over that within myself So why will I be curious about something like that? Do you play with the teddy bear every day today? No, yes, he does. Why are you not curious how it feels the child loves it so much? I went through the phase. I experienced it and that's what when you were a child it happened, right? Right, so I'm saying I grew up when I was four and a half years of age But even like even like the nature of psychedelics and The mind-opening experiences See right now these 11 million volunteers have gathered and nearly a billion people are in one way or the other touch with us See, I'm not selling tickets to heaven I'm not offering Miracles pulling out gold chains from the sky or something like that. No miracle. No tickets to heaven. No anything Why do you think they're gathering because I'm giving them dope You know, listen, listen. No, no, no, don't stop it there because it'll be dangerous I'm giving them dope that no drug dealer can give them If they close their eyes They are gone I know you're big on semantics. Huh, so what is semantics? It's not semantic Well, you're saying dope and It's not actually dope. It's not weed. So what is it that you're that you're selling? Well, well, there is a lot of scientific research Which says there are millions of cannabis receptors in your brain You think they're waiting for you to smoke weed? I don't know, but they are there. That's a fact So obviously the system must have something to provide that possibility within the system It is not that you have to go and pick something somewhere It is here Because this is the greatest chemical factory if you knew how to manage this you wouldn't be in the back streets You would make it happen here getting high off life Huh getting high off life I understand. I'm just saying like I'm also a fellow curious person and I had the Thought process that I cannot die on this planet not knowing what uh Psychedelic does to my brain. I I I've refused that's something I I wanted to try Before I died and I did and I'm just wondering from a fellow person who um is seeking How how that doesn't uh titillate you in some way See the thing is this right now Uh We're all sitting in the same place Breathing the same air probably we eat similar food At this moment what is happening within me how I am I will not exchange this for anything in the universe You give me the world. I will not change it.  That's all I'm saying So so so okay, so I'm lacking So I'm curious because I'm lacking. You know if uh weed or whatever else gave you a little experience You must understand weed cannot Experience it's you who experiences weed might have stimulated some experience within you Whether it is stimulated from outside or inside is the only question, right? If it is from outside it always has uh a flip side of negativity to it If it happens from within when they suppose there was see people are drinking alcohol If there was no hangovers if there was no liver burning up whatever They would be drunk all the time if you could be too fully drunk and fully alert all the time would you do it? Everybody I would advise them drink alcohol. Okay Right now.  You don't have to believe me.  We're at a level here But you sober are here and you're teaching people that From your past conversation you're saying that if you wanted to try it once to tell your body you could be here That's fine But if you're going to consistently take it here that's wrong You shouldn't be using a substance to get you to happen See the the choice is this Suppose, uh, let us say the compound wall of this house is 25 feet tall You've not seen anything outside of this. You always lived here.  Nothing exciting about it building a ladder you build a ladder climb across the wall the job is done What if I told you the acid made there be no wall?  That's not true. My question is why build the ladder if you never experienced the trampoline? See the thing is that's what I said, it is not because somebody tasted a drug or somebody has got some teaching, somebody believes in a scripture or in a religion that they are looking. It is intrinsic to human intelligence to be wanting to be something more. That's something more if it finds very physical expression, we call it sexuality. If it finds emotional expression, we call it love. If it finds you know mental expression, we call it what conquest or shopping or whatever. If it finds conscious expression, we call it yoga. This is not decided by you, this is the nature of life, it wants to be something more. How you choose to see, if you know only money, you're thinking more money. If you know only these kind of experiences, you're thinking of more experiences. If you know love, you're thinking of more love. If you know knowledge, you're thinking of more knowledge. Whatever you know, you're trying to hit the peak with that, right? How do you know you found the one? Founder? On the one, a partner. The right partner in life. Oh. I want to laugh like that. One day. It's amazing. Did you need a beard to laugh like that? You have to have it. You could probably start laughing like that. I'm close. Anyways. Anyway, this is not the United States nor is it 2020. This is 1990 and this is India where things don't happen like how it happens here. Yeah, but that's all. I just looked at her and in three days we were married. So you're saying when you know you know you're rich before? When I went home, everybody thought I'll never marry because that was the contention because I was living wild. All the time I'm camping in the mountains here or there and I have no interest in such things. One day I went and said, I'm marrying this girl. What? Who is she? I don't know her pet name, you know, like what she's called. I didn't know her full name. Then they asked, what's the father's name? I said, I don't know. I said, what? You don't know father's name? What's their caste? I said, I don't know. Then you don't know father's name, you don't know what the family is. How will you marry this girl? I said I intend to marry only the girl, not the father. But did you know? I didn't know. You didn't know. What? I didn't know she was the one. Absolutely. You knew. We did. Was there ever a time when the bears were like, man, I picked the wrong one, like this girl really is acting up. We don't know those things because we are not, see, I want you to understand this. I know this culture is just built up now. If you are looking how to extract life from somebody, anybody, whatever kind of wonderful person you pick, they will disappoint you because you can't pick life, joy or pleasure from somebody else. If you're seeing that your life is an expression of your joy and you're seeing always how to do the best for the other person, it never will happen to you that, oh, did I pick the wrong one? Did I do this? Did I do that? Tomorrow suddenly you think this is a wrong tree and cut it off and put some other tree?  I feel like we look for in our culture and it's just saying like, find my other half, right? Which in a sense is saying that we're incomplete by ourselves, right? And we're looking for joy in another being. And I think that's really the key is just finding that if we can have two holes come together, right? And so I'm not, we're coming in union and relationship to not extract joy from one another, but to share joy within one another. And those guys become boys. I've got your books. I've got quite a few of your books. Are we on time? I mean, I could probably sit here and ask questions all day. Well, he's probably got places to go. I need some answers. Have you seen The Matrix? Which pill would you take? Which pill did you take? Or did you not take a pill? Have you seen The Matrix? Let's start the movie. The Matrix. Well, I am The Matrix, huh? You are The Matrix. He is the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's the lead. He's lead, though. Just when he's… He's the architect. Do you watch movies? Can we humanize… Yes I would, as the, take you away from this. There was a text. Not a good time.  What do you eat for breakfast? Suguru, please tell me. Well, I know more하 Sod-Gah-But. That's cool. Yeah. What kind of motorcycle? Well, I have a 1600 GT with a BMW. My dad has that motorcycle, he loves it, he loves it. He said, he sold a pickup truck that I bought him to buy the motorcycle. He didn't tell me he sold the pickup truck and used the money to buy it, something else that I didn't get him. So I understand the love for the motorcycle. What did you have for breakfast this morning? Today. No, I just had brunch in the morning, not breakfast because I normally get to eat only one meal a day, so. What did you have? It's an Indian food. What's your favorite American movie? Favorite American movie? Maybe Roman Holiday. Roman Holiday? I'm not in my head like I knew, but I had to. How do you stay cool with so much clothing on? Bigger than cool. Okay. Very cool. Perfect answer. What's your favorite spot you've been to in the United States? I don't go by favorites, but in the last few days what I've ridden through, like the Arch National Park, the Bryce Canyon, and the Zion Valley, oh, these are most amazing places as nature goes, Utah, and most incredible.  All the time. How many? Too many to recount. There's always people… people always said if there's no danger, Sadhguru cannot exist, so always he's creating dangerous situations for himself. Me too. I punched a window yesterday. I got nine stitches in my arm. I found out a Pokemon card and a snake. Do you know about Pokemon? I'm not sure. I don't know what that is. It's a great investment. It's a great investment. I think we have time. I think we have time for one more question. Just do this. I agree with time. Again, I can't just… like the purpose that we have here with this platform, with Logan's audience and the millions and millions of followers and people that will watch this, is there something that, you know, advice or something that you see in Logan that you think would be most beneficial that would impact people in the most positive way? I know there are many things. Well, compared to a lot of people, he is very alive. If he channelizes that, well, the good possibilities. But in the mode that you guys have taken, I don't know whether you guys will channelize now or much later in your lives because life is a combination of two things, a certain amount of time and certain amount of energy. Time is rolling away.  We cannot say, today I didn't use it, let me roll it back, there's no such thing. Time is just rolling away. So the only thing that we can manage is our energy. Our energy is we can manage in such a way, either it is, you know, where it makes your life very profound, these are two aspects when it comes to life. One thing is to make your experience of life very profound. Another thing is, your activity must be impactful.  I asked you. I asked the question. All right. So I'm saying it doesn't make your life profound. In fact, it makes you frivolous and it is also possible. I'm telling you, during my time, I'm saying when I was in university, 13 of my friends over a period of seven, eight years, 13 of my friends died. Some to drugs overdosing, some riding motorcycles too wild, you know, not knowing where the limit is, trying to ride like somebody else, all right? You can ride to your limit. You can't do what somebody does. Somebody else may be doing something else. You must ride to your limit. You must know where is your limit and you stay on that edge and see how to push that edge. But you don't try to do what somebody else is doing right now. So like this, 13 of my friends in seven, eight years time, about four of them to drugs, remaining nine of them to motorcycles, they lost their lives. They're all wonderful riders they rode with me for many years. They're all, it's not like in United States, okay? This is like sitting on a microwave, riding in United States. There is nothing, just put it on the cruise and you sit. This is not like that in India, riding an elephant can be on the road, all right? And you need to be super alert and intuitive to ride at a certain speed. These are good guys, very good at what they're doing. But somebody drinks and drives, you know, rides, somebody thinks he can smoke and then ride, smoke up and then ride, like these kind of things or somebody at any cost he wants to go ahead of somebody, whatever. Essentially, not calibrating your energies right. Those who died died. Many others, they became accountants, they became lawyers, they became something else. They're all my age now. When I look at them, they're all, they're all successful people. They got money, they got wife, they got kids, all this, but no life in them. So this guy has got some life. Let's see how he handles and manages his energy because time will run. Anyway, whether you like it or you don't like it, today gets over, tomorrow happens, tomorrow gets over, it's happening to all of us. So these are the only two ingredients you have, time and energy. What you make out of your energy is the profoundness of your life and also the impact of your work. Please, all of you, make that happen for yourself. First and foremost thing is life should become profound in your experience. Then how you impact people, you don't have to worry. Whichever way you do it, it'll be for the best. But if you live on the surface and try to impact people, sometimes you will do good things, sometimes you will do terrible things to people, maybe with good intention. Because most horrible things on this planet are done with best of intentions, not with bad intention. So Guru, thank you for blessing us with your wisdom today. You can get around to the process here, everywhere.


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Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Wendy Liang. I'm working as a Linux kernel developer for Cruise, which is a company to produce driverless cars. I have working experience with data-dreamers system communication and management. I worked with Linux kernel remote proc, app message, proc, usage, and DMABof framework. In today's presentation, I'm going to talk about DMABof usage in automotive sensor data pipeline. Thanks, everyone, for joining today's presentation. Here's today's agenda. I will briefly talk about automotive sensor camera data pipeline. And next, we'll briefly introduce DMABof. And then I'm going to talk about how to use DMABof and DMAfencers to set up a zero-copying data pipeline and for synchronization between each same points. Automotive sensor camera data pipeline example. This image shows a driverless car. There are sensors installed on the car. The raw condition data captured by the sensor and camera will pass to ISP for peak assessing. And then the data will be passed onto accelerator pipelines for further processing. And then the outcome data will then be passed onto a host for the next stage computation. There were a lot of data coming from sensor. And so how to process the data efficiently and how to transfer the data in the pipeline efficiently is a challenge. DMABof is a good solution to help to have efficient data transfer across the data pipeline. DMABof, DMABof is a framework for sharing buffers for hardware DMASS across multiple device drivers and subsystems. It is also for synchronizing a synchronous hardware SS. It has three subcomponents. The core component is DMABof. It defines DMABof operations for the underlying memory blocks. DMAHips, which it is a implementation of DMABof exporter and it provides user space interface for user to allocate DMABof from a particular memory region. DMAfans, DMAfans is used for synchronization between the hardware and user application and between hardware drivers. DMABof, DMABof is shared DMA buffers. It has a buffer exporter for user to allocate DMABof from some memory region. And each buffer has users. The users can be in kernel space or in user space. DMABof is a scatter gather list of memory block. The underlying memory can be contiguous or discondiguous. Each DMABof is represented by a file description so that the user's space application can access the DMABof with normal file operations. DMABof operations is to enable user to attach to the buffer and access the buffer memory. Here is an example on how to use DMABof. The user application use DMAhip iOctoLock syscall to request a DMABof. It uses the DMAhip allocation iOctoLock arguments to pass on the land and the file permission flags and the Hips memory attribute flags onto the iOctoLock. And the underlying DMAhip will allocate the related memory and return back user a file description for the allocated memory. And then the user application can use the M-Map to get the virtual address for the DMABof so that it can later on read or write the underlying DMA memory. If user need to pass the DMABof onto the next onto other devices, the other devices driver will need to implement a iOctoLock to allow the user space application to attach the DMABof to the device. If the driver implement such a iOcto API and then the application can use that iOctoLock to attach the DMABof to the device memory. And after the device driver receive such a request, it can call the DMABof to get a DMABof data object from the DMABof file description. And attach the device to the DMABof with the DMABof attached API. And you can get the scatter list from the DMABof with the DMABof map attachment API. And with this scatter gather list returned back from this API, the driver knows the DMA address of the buffers so that it can configure the hardware registers for the hardware to access the DMA memory. And for synchronization, the device driver can create a DMA fence so that later on it can return back to the user so that the user can pull the DMA fence or the next device driver can also pull the DMA fence to know the completion status of this device on this DMABof. So buffer exporter. So a buffered exporter is to create a DMABof to wrap around the DMA memory and return the DMABof file descriptor to the caller. It is responsible for the DMA memory allocation and manage coherency of the allocated memory such as device access and CPU access for the device access that is after the CPU application produce some data to the memory. And before the memory, before the device can access the memory, this device access operation will make sure for example, flush the cache to make sure the data, the correct data is put onto the underlying memory so that the device can get the correct data. And the CPU access is for the other direction. That is after the device produce the data to the memory and before the CPU can access that memory, this operation will do the necessary steps such as in ready date cache if it is required to make sure the application or the driver, the software can get the correct data from the underlying memory. And it provides memory, DMABof memory mapping functions for kernel and user space users so that they can access the memory. Manage backing storage for the attached devices of the DMABof such as PIN and PIN, the DMABof memory, notify attached devices if the underlying physical memory needs to move. Here's a list of buffer, the DMABof operation, a buffer exporter need to implement attach, detach, map DMABof or map DMABof, release and map, remap, we are mapped. The others such as the PIN and PIN, between CPU access and CPU access, this can be optional, it depends on the, it depends on the memory attributes of this memory region, but the others are usually required. And in the kernel, there is one example for buffer exporter, DMA, UDMABof, which it is to export DMABof for shareman regions. The user application uses shareman create API to get a memory file descriptor from the share memory. And with the UDMABof auto API, it tells the UDMABof the memory file descriptor and then the UDMABof driver, you create a DMABof for it, for the specified region and return it back to user application. One use case to use this UDMABof is for QMU. QMU use it to create DMABof for what I own GPU, for example, there were other buffer exporter in Minus kernel, you can find those examples from video, pipeline, drivers, framework, buffer users. The buffer user can be in kernel space or in user space. For user space, after it request, after it allocate a DMABof user space, buffer from Minus kernel, for example, it request a DMABof with the DMAHipAuto API, it already attached the, this application is already attached to the DMABof. And when it needs to access the memory for read and write, it will need to, it will need to call the MMAP API to get the virtual address. And for Minus kernel drivers, in order to attach the device to the DMABof, it need to call the DMABof attached operation as shown in one of the previous slides. And if the driver itself want to access the underlying memory, it can use the VMAP operation to access the DMA memory. The attached operation, it is mandatory for the driver to call because the DMABof, it maintain a counter. So if the counter drops to zero, that is no user, the DMABof will be released. So before the device finish consuming the buffer, the driver is responsible to make sure the device is attached to the DMABof. And when the device has done with the buffer, the driver will need to call detach to detach the device from the buffer. So here it shows there is a exporter implemented in the Minus kernel provides user AI Octo API for user to allocate DMABof and each devices in the pipeline will need to have its driver implement AI Octo API for the user to attach the DMABof to each of the devices. DMAHip, DMAHip is a framework for memory allocators to export allocated memory as DMABof. It is a DMABof exporter and it also has a device file interface for user to use AI Octo to allocate DMABofers. In this kernel, it implements two hips. One is the system memory heap, the other is the CMAHip. When user allocates memory, request DMABof from the system heap, the system heap driver will allocate DMA memory from the Linux system memory. And when driver wants to get a DMABof from the CMAHip, the underlying DMAHip driver will allocate the memory from the CMA pool. And here it shows that you can specify a particular memory region with reserved memory to the CMAHip and then the CMA specified by this reserved memory will be used as a Linux CMA pool. And then you use the CMAHip API to allocate a DMABof if you get the memory from this specified CMA pool region. So here shows a user space API to request a DMABof. DMAHip I Octo alloc and when it returns the DMABof, the DMABof file descriptor will be specified in the iOcto's argument structure. And this, the length it is for user to specify the size and the fd flags is the file is the permission of the DMABof file. And the heap flags is for the memory attributes. So besides the DMABof operation required by DMABof exporter, the DMAHip driver will also need to implement a DMABof allocate operation to allow user to allocate DMABof from the heap. In this example, it uses reserved memory to specify a DMAHip region. And in order to register the heap to the DMABof framework so that the user can use that DMABof framework to register the heap to the DMABof framework so that the user can use that DMAHip allocation iOcto, it will need to call this DMAHip add API to register the heap to the DMABof framework. DMAfans, DMAfans is a Linux kernel internal synchronization primitive for DMA operation. Besides a single DMAfans data structure, Linux kernel also provide DMAfans array and DMAfans chain data structure to group DMAfanses. DMAfans can be exposed as a sync file for user space to inquire DMAfans status. And the sync file can be passed around explicit synchronization points. And DMABof can also store DMAfanses with DMA reservation for implicit write and re-synchronization. Later on in the presentation, we will show more on the sync file usage because it is more explicit. And with this sync file, it is very easy to get the notification for the DMA operation on each buffer and if any buffer failed any DMA operations. So this is the some example code for DMAfans creation and DMAfans usage. To create a DMAfans, we'll need to allocate the memory for the DMAfans because when a DMAfans is released, it will usually the underlying, the allocated fans will got released. And use this DMAfans to initialize the fans. And if we want to create a sync file for the fans and we will call this sync file create and you'll get a file descriptor for the sync file. And for user application, user can hold on the DMAfans file descriptor to know if the fans is signaled. And for the Nina space kernel driver, can use a DMAfans to wait for the fans to be signaled. DMAfans arrays. So DMAfans array is an array of DMAfanses. The array itself is represented as a DMAfans and this array can be configured to be signaled if any fans in the array is signaled or if all the fans in the array are signaled. So it has two configuration. And DMAfanses chain. A DMAfanses chain is composed of a previous fans and a associated fans to the current chain node. It is signaled if all previous fans is in the chain and the associated fans are signaled. So here shows how to create a DMAfans in the pipeline. After the application allocates a buffer from the exporter, it will attach the DMAfans to the device with the device driver provided attachment API and then the device will create a fans and it will return back and create a fans and create a sync file for the fans and return the sync file back to the application. And then application will pass the DMAfans to the next device and also the previous sync file of this created by the previous device driver on this DMA buff. And the next device itself will create a DMAfans for its own DMA operation on this buffer and return back the sync file to the user application. And so the next device can call the DMAfans rate API on the DMAfans created by the previous device to know if the previous device is done with this buffer before it request its own device to work on this DMA buff. And the user application by pulling all the sync files it knows the completion stage or whether any of the accelerator in the pipeline has errors on this DMA buff. So we have talked about the DMA buff, DMA heap and DMA fences and now we can use them to create a data pipeline and then we can use them to create a data pipeline for zero data copying. User will allocate a buffer from a DMA heap. This can be a system heap, CMA heap or user defined platform specific DMA heap and it assign the DMA buff to each devices on the pipeline through each devices drivers iOcto API and each device driver will in queue the buffer or a list of buffers from user application to its hardware and for each buffer of DMA operation it creates DMA fences and their sync files for the buffer operation completion or failure notification. Here shows we used reserved memory to specify the DMA memory region. Usually in a system there are multiple memories and each memory can has different memory attributes and also each devices can have different latencies to access different memories and here we use reserved memory to specify a preferred memory region for this group of devices and we have implement a DMA heap for this memory region and the user will use the DMA heap allocation API to request a DMA buff and after it get a DMA buff from the DMA heap it call the device drivers defined attachment API to attach the DMA buff to the device. For this device the underlying DMA hardware it requires each DMA buff has a DMA buffer descriptor for it and the DMA buffer descriptors also need to be stored in memory and so the device driver will allocate this allocation is just use normal DMA alloc coherent API to allocate the memory for the buffer descriptor for this buffer and the device driver will also create fences for DMA operation completion and adverse and return the sync file for this DMA fence back to the user application through the iOcto API return and the user application will attach the buffer and also the sync file created by the previous driver to the next device driver and the next device driver will create a DMA buff and then a sync file for its own operation on this DMA buff and so that the user application can monitor can pull all the same files returned back by the device drivers and the next device driver can wait on the DMA fence created by the previous driver to know if the previous driver has done with the buffer before it start its own DMA operation on this buffer so here this diagram shows how we use the DMA fence to notify user for buffer completion or adverse after the device driver get the DMA buff request from the user when the user call the iOcto Cisco it get the DMA address from the DMA buff and configure the registers of the accelerator so that accelerator can start DMA operation and then the accelerator finish the DMA operation successfully it will raise an interrupt back to the driver and the driver will check the interrupt status to know that the buffer is complete the buffer DMA operation is complete and then it will signal the DMA fence and then the user application because it is using whole NINUS API to wait on the DMA fences and so it knows that and so this whole API got wake up and it will check each of the whole file descriptor in the array, in the polling array and then it knows that this buffer is complete and for the next device driver and it also wait for signal on the buffer complete DMA fence so it knows when the buffer is complete by the previous accelerator so that it can start its own DMA operation but when there is error happen the accelerator will also raise interrupt and the device driver will check the error status or the interrupt status register knows that there is error and so that it will signal the error fence and the application because it also pull on the error sync file so it knows that there is error happen and also the next device driver it also wait on the signal the error signal of the previous DMA operation and so that it knows that there is error in the previous operation and then it can it knows that it should not go ahead with this buffer so it can detach from this buffer and here it shows the full data pipeline with the DMA buff so we can see that the data coming from the sensor through MIPI bus and it goes to the ISP and it goes to the accelerators before it goes to the host compute and for the embedded Linux system the user application will allocate DMA buffers from the DMA heap of the specified DMA region the DMA region is specified by reserved memory and then it will pass the DMA buffers to each of the accelerators so usually there will be input buffer and each accelerator will also require an output buffer so it takes input and output and it assigns the buffers to each of the accelerators on the pipeline and each driver after it gets the user request it will create DMA fences for those buffers and the DMA fences it will cover the DMA buff operation completion and also there should be a fence to capture the errors and return back to user and each of the the device drivers it will wait on the DMA fence created by the previous step so that it will not start its DMA operation until the previous one has done and also it will create the fences for its own DMA operation and give it back to user and so that once the the pipeline kick off and then when the the data coming from the sensor and there is no software intervention there is no user space software intervention and then the data will come to the first IP and the driver will monitor the first IP completion status and then it is done it will trigger the fence and the next driver will got notification and it will trigger the next DMA operation and so on and so there is no use application intervention is required and of course for each IP this one it is we need the DMA buff it is because there is no stream line hardware connection between each IPs and for some customized IPs it is possible that you can use stream line interface for example like as a stream and then you don't need buffer between the accelerators but however there is also limitation to this approach maybe not every hardware IP can do that and also if we use some third party IPs and maybe they just do not have this access stream interface so in this case with the DMA buff it provides a solution don't need use application intervention to wait for the previous to wait for the previous data processing to finish and then trigger the next one and it is all done by it is all done automatically from the kernel space and this will be quite efficient and also the pipeline can be can be set up ahead and during run time the user application don't need to be involved except that it just need to monitor for completion status and adverse status and you can find more details about the DMA buff API description from the Linux kernel documents so that's all for today and thanks to join the presentation thank you very much and have a good day


e're very happy to look into that in terms of the capacity around the Land Court. We'd appreciate it if you were in touch with us about that. Yeah, I'm very happy to write formally to the committee. Thank you very much. So the question is that amendment 7 be agreed to, are we all agreed? We are agreed. Group 14 valuations under part 3 of the 2003 act call amendment 8, the name of the minister and the group of its own minister to move and speak to the amendment. Convener, the Land Reform Scotland Act 2003 sets out in section 88, the procedure for the assessment of the value of the croft land or interests being purchased. It currently requires the valuer to invite the owner of the land, tenant or person entitled to the sporting interests and the crofting community body to make representations in writing about the value of the land. I propose an amendment that would allow for counter-representations to be made on comments made relating to the valuation of the land and to allow the valuer adequate time to take those into account. The proposed amendment extends the time limit for notification by the valuer of the determination from six weeks to eight weeks. It seeks to allow counter-representations to be made by either the owner of the land, the tenant or the person entitled to sporting interests in response to representations made by the crofting community body. It also seeks to allow counter-representations to be made by the crofting community body in response to representations made by either the owner of the land, the tenant or the person entitled to sport interests. The effect of the amendment will be to ensure that the value takes account of all the parties' views to the application and has the time to do so. The amendments seek to assist the value in reaching a fair assessment of the value of the land or interest, which is a subject of the crofting community's body's right to buy application. The proposed amendment aligns the provisions of part 3 with the proposed provisions of part 2 and the proposed part 3A of the 2003 act, and I would ask the committee to support this amendment and I move amendment 8. Does any member wish to comment? No member does. Minister, no need to wind up then. Indeed, the question is that amendment 8 be agreed to. Are we all agreed? We are agreed. Group 15, part 3 of the 2003 act, compensation for certain losses. It is a call amendment 9, and the name of the minister in a group of its own minister to move and speak to amendment 9. The proposed amendment replaces the requirement under section 89.4, with the power of ministers to make an order to specify the amounts payable by the crofting community body in respect of loss or expense incurred, the amounts payable by other persons in respect of loss or expense incurred, and the person, including persons other than the crofting community body, who is liable to pay those amounts and the procedure under which claims for compensation are to be made. Those proposed amendments aligns part 3 with provisions on the proposed part 3A of the act, and I would invite the committee to support this amendment and I move amendment 9. Does any member wish to comment? If not, then the question is that amendment 9 be agreed to. Are we all agreed? We are agreed. Call amendment 10, the name of the minister. We are already debated with amendment 7, minister to move formally. The question is that amendment 10 be agreed to. Are we all agreed? We are agreed. Group 16, meaning of a creditor in standard security with the right to sell in part 3 of the 2003 act. Call amendment 11, the name of the minister, in a group of its own minister to move and speak to amendment 11. This amendment inserts a meaning of the expression, creditor in standard security with a right to sell for the purposes of the crofting community right to buy provisions in part 3 of the land reform Scotland act 2003. Just to ensure that there is clarity as to the definition of the term, I would ask the committee to support this amendment and I move amendment 11. Thank you. Does any member wish to comment? Nobody does, minister. You've wound up, I guess. The question is that amendment 11 be agreed to. Are we all agreed? We are agreed. This ends stage 2 consideration of the bill for today, although I think some members were wanting the chance to go on now that their dander is up, but I'm restraining them because we have to have another session next week. All the remaining amendments for consideration by this committee should be lodged by 12 noon this Friday with the clerks to the legislation team. Thank you very much, minister. You and your officials, a bit of a marathon, but we've succeeded in getting thus far. Thank you very much. At its next meeting, the committee will continue the consideration of stage 2 of the community empowerment Scotland bill and consider a petition PE 1547 on conserving Scottish wild salmon. So it's a crowned hog day next week. I now close the meeting.