ell, but You don't even know what it is First off, you don't you don't have it and two You could lie Pretty easily.  He's he's all why don't you just tell him? What is the truth?  He probably left But well and you can also sell a convincing lie of like I told him that there was plenty he could restock for Armor and ammo and transport in the southeast armory So he's gonna be heading there and then just toss him a random key from your pocket and be like that's the key That's the key to the armory.  I'm blind you motherfucker. Why did you do that? Well, you go find it. That's the only key we got. Are you throwing the whole key ring? But no, uh, coach is just immediately like let's fight.  Here we go and they start fighting and uh legit, uh Cain gets the one up on koji by doing a dark souls roll around him and then stabbing him like before he can turn Kind of embarrassing actually. It's so weird. It takes a long time for koji to react to it. It's it's kind of weird Yeah It just feels weird that he like loses so badly to a blind man that's rolling around. It's like, okay And then they have they didn't have to have him be blind. That was a choice they made Well, then we wouldn't have this amazing dialogue. You ready? Here we go. Even a blind man can see you've lost. You don't need eyes to see the right path That's like the okay, okay fine Okay And then yeah, he says just take care of your daughter and then he's like keeps fighting until he dies And you see this is the scene where the if you went to the director Be like, yeah, this is like this is meant to be funny This is meant to be like goofy and silly.   That's right. It's yeah If you told the writers, yeah, I really enjoyed that dumb fun there when this character died And it was meant to be sad. Do you think that the guy made the film would just be like, yeah, that's that's what I was going for I figured that would get a few laughs Even a blind man can see this is a somber moment Yes And and when and when everybody at the cinema laughed the director smiled and then he did like yes Got it nailed it. I did it. I'm the tone master Well, did catch me saying Cain was looking on Wait for it Uh, I get it because he got C very clever. That's who good of an actor. He is Uh, so yeah, he's like, well, weren't you the one to see him last? Is it? Oh, wait. It's so sorry. I didn't I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um high five I've uh, no the other one the other five. Uh, what are you? Blah? Oh, dammit. So Uh, wait, why didn't they do the thing where John had to fight Cain like in the dark? That would have been a thing Really where they fight, um Or Cain like takes out the lights or something or he cuts the power to the building Uh, you know something to be you know to have it to be where they're kind of on equal footing So that would have been a thing. Yeah, we'll leave it a lot more um And uh, you know that they could kind of go toe to toe and it's not just john wick shooting a blind man in the head I mean that would have been an idea that would have been cool you could have even have had uh You know we don't at least for a portion of the fight we see pitch black as well But then You know one of them makes a move you hear the sound you hear a swipe and then the clash of the swords Makes like a little bit of a spark maybe in this little light you can see briefly something like that Yeah, John could be like I can't fight you Cain, you know, you you're blind.  I was just like I like the actor I like the idea of a guy putting some stuff on the line to help out john and that he's just committed to it And the you know, there's something to the whole like putting friendship above these crazy crazy rules Especially if he knows the grander context, which he probably does because he's an old friend of john's and they've been talking So there's something I can draw out of it But then you make him do this literally sacrifice himself and caring for his dying Theoretically daughter at least very very wounded. I'm not gonna say she really is his daughter Oh, sorry. I meant the dying the wound whatever.  Like what I don't you would just fight in him. I assume like he's been shooting people. He's all over the ball. I don't know They just wanted the fight scene to happen and they couldn't really think of a good reason Or maybe they thought that they had one. Maybe they thought it was like See, he's not going to give his friend up because he values friendship and like honor above all But the problem was that the scenario that was set up Didn't put him in it because the the obvious way to do it is john wick is like through you I have to go through I need to go in that direction and you're in the way and you're not going to move out of the way Like that's the way to do it.  He's like, no He's like, wow, I'm gonna have to kill you to get the phone because that's what you have to do is you need to You need to do the the like unstoppable force meets the movable object setup Right where it's like he like kane is the unstoppable force Koji's the immovable object.  Was he just done like was he bored? It almost seems like he is resigned to it Which is odd because there's a difference between like accepting it as a possibility and being resigned to it You know, they like two different things. Yeah Um, and what a shame because kane himself. He's like, please stop fighting me. Please live. Please be with your daughter Which is kind of like I like that as a thing for yeah helps out kane a little bit. It just ruins koji this whole thing Yeah, which is a shame because I like them Like it's it's hard not to say it's like dude. You just abandoned your daughter for no reason at all Yeah, she's wounded. She needs you like what are you doing? There is actually no reason here Um, you didn't need to do this.  Like Yeah, exactly Told kane anything. I actually think kane would have been a bit amenable to the whole like I don't know where he is, man Uh, he probably is well fair enough and then they just part they just go different ways. Yeah It's like, I don't well Like I think it's just cool line. He could have just said like we'll follow the gunshots or something like that They just wanted the fight there on the bridge surrounded by the water and like the lily pads and the uh And the trees the the cherry blossoms right the in the background like that's what they wanted Oh, yeah, they wanted the video in the show down there It's but hey, this is a good example of I guess what we were talking about in terms of like the broad problem with this film It's totally fine to want to have those moments like I like stuff like that Like I like that kind of imagery and I like that as a setup But there is work to be done to actually get there and you can do it and it just makes the film better Like it just makes it strictly better and you can still have your collection scene But you can have a scenario that's more properly established Um better supported by the material and and it just makes for it being more potent instead of a situation like this Where you're just kind of perplexed but like the whole arrangement What's interesting is I've seen uh to what I assume a counter arguments to this and I feel like these are pieces of information That have now made me think it's all even worse So someone said well surely his life is forfeit anyway because of everything with the continental the high table that like Yeah, he's dying here But like he was only ever going to die anyway because he'll send people to come get him Put a pin in that a second the other point was um, isn't it better that he dies here so that they can never use his daughter Like his leverage against him. Is that the idea there that looks like a parallel with kane?    They might just kill it. She betrayed the high table She was a concierge.  Hello Man koji you didn't think about this at all did you?  It's a train And then she walks in and sits like near him Uh, the daughter just like wait what? It's chilling like did they just happen to get on the same train at the same time it's like Okay, was she following him? I don't see how because they would have been different. Um, okay It's fine.  She either you kill kane or I will basically Well, I mean he didn't to spoil Yeah He didn't do that. Well, and even kane said to her i'll be waiting for when you return That's another thing like the idea that the daughter will be safe if uh, koji was to like die It's like what do you think the door's gonna do?  Yeah Koji told john to go to that station. Is that true? Uh, I think so. Yeah, I think I think so. Is it is it not public transport? Uh, I think it is still they were pretty sure those people are getting out of there Yeah, right. It's but then everybody conveniently clears out of the train so that they can have their conversation on an empty train in osaka I don't know how I was about to say It's kind of fun But it's also just the fact that john gets on he doesn't look like he's waiting for anybody So she got there at the exact same time as him.  Of like what am I actually doing here? Like all i'm doing is fighting back against something that I might not be able to defeat and all it's leading to is the destruction of everybody that I care about Like that's not something that is meaningfully explored Um It's set up, but it's it doesn't go anywhere. Isn't that just a huge missed opportunity?  You might be like Do you think he's more time and they're not adding anything? Yeah It's like in the first movie. It's like, would you think he's thin in that? It's like not really We got a lot like for the time we had with him. We got to know a decent chunk But now we've had four movies and nothing's changed. It's the exact same character the whole time John wick was never like hugely multifaceted But it was definitely coherent and like there was something to because I mean it's it's like everybody says it's just a dog And like even he's there to come in and say it's actually not just about the dog. It's like, oh, yeah Yeah, of course not because even if it was the dog It's like, well, yeah, I mean, you know But like when you add on what it meant to him because it was the gift that was left for him by his wife And it was sort of like representative of of like um the life that he had managed to acquire that the the son took from him That's something but we haven't added anything in the ensuing like uh in the ensuing films But but we're like we're getting so far removed from what happened in john wick one That it feels like awkward to even appeal to anything that happened in that film to say anything about where he's at right now Logically, you know majority how much the fact that his dog got killed by this guy that he at this point killed in the timeline What probably like months or years ago at this point. How much does that factor into anything here?  So let's film one. What have we got to add on to that with film 234? It's like shoot gun not house lost house. No, just shoot gun. That's it No, he lost a house. Okay. That's what you took from me.  So, uh, winston meets up with hobo king Like hey hobo king. How you doing? All right, and uh, he says I want to speak to john and hobo king says you shot him off a roof And then he's like, yeah, well the table is lead had made the marquis go nuts And uh, we need to sort that out and so in case you cared There was an implication at the end of john wick three that winston had betrayed him and that that was going to be a Big old thing for this film. Literally in this film. They're like, no No, it's weird and legitimately weird. I thought winston would be the ultimate like big bad Which would have been a cool idea, honestly That's interesting that winston who was kind of persistently in the film has been somebody that he can lean on As uh, betrayed him, you know what he's gonna do now There was a limit to how much he would allow john to cost him sort of thing Well, it's a more meaningful betrayal than anything that could be said for like the guy in two who we didn't know Because winston actually has history with john wick that we know and understand And you can't pull the card of well winston didn't kill him winston didn't even try to kill him, right? And it's like no what happened to him would have killed a normal person like As far as anyone's concerned winston did indeed attempt to murder him like that's what happened And then you should probably have a little bit of a grudge about that Well, I thought that's not cool, bro The end of the first film when he's like, yeah But but like saying it about getting revenge. Yeah, I thought that was going to be for winston But then it wasn't it was it ended up being for bill sars New character who nobody knows anything about the bar key Yeah, oh wow Oh, no speaking of which we got to see with him now Yay Screen with the knife Yeah, well, it's one moment before that that I find particularly funny. You have mr. Krabs is like I fail to see how laying waste to continental Cortex No, mr. Krabs He's also cortex. He's also a lot of people but mr. Krabs is the funniest Dr. Cortex, I think you mean says I fail to see how laying waste to continental gets you to john wick Which is a really great point An excellent point do that. Yeah, he's not even do that He's not even got an hourglass in this scene and he's saying he's spitting truths So, you know that our glass is just like maybe holding him back at this point like yeah, it's that's true grit You don't even know my true power and uh because the dialogue is just so excellent Uh bill scar scott says this campaign is not about killing john wick. It's to kill the idea of john wick Idea Okay, and he says I must destroy everything that idea touches But we're talking about it sir.  Like how does that translate into an actual plan?  How does destroying buildings have anything to do with that? I oh, I I'm I'm still manning. All right. I don't know. I don't think the destroyer man better Give me more Do better I think that it no what what i'm saying is I think that's what they were going for if they wanted anything more than that I don't know what I'd be appealing to because I don't think it makes much sense at all But I get the impression in terms of like a thematic through line that they seem to be building in this film That that's kind of what was there So this is why I said what the fuck does that even mean? Because the reason this conversation starts is him referencing the destruction of continentals And then his response is to destroy the idea that is anything that's touched by the idea of jobwick In this case if we want to translate it as defiance of the high table It's like yes, you get rid of the people defying it right like winston. It's like no Not okay Jumping the gun The the character's essentially win the film by following the rules Yeah, true. Yeah Yeah, and the only reason anything the only reason anything went wrong for john wick was because he didn't follow the rules And then he used the rules to win. So Yeah, we'll talk about that when we get there because i'm not even sure Yeah, we will what it counts as at the end, but uh, yeah This doesn't like the plan is not to kill john wick.  That's like Of course. Yeah, that's the number one plan Yes, the fact that he keeps raising the bounty and and setting Yes To get him kill he wants and then of course everything that happens at the end too He doesn't like yeah, sure the idea of john wick is one thing But like first and foremost you want to get rid of the guy who was an agent in the world who could hurt you You know Destroying everything it touches. It's like we should probably get rid of it then Like because that'll cut out the many things we have to destroy but it's the joke We've already been going over like what if he walks into your house? Do you blow that up? Like what does it even mean at this point? Yes, no compromises um, yeah, and then uh Clancy brown says the bloodshed in osaka wasn't necessary and his response is the bloodshed was the point Uh, then why did the marquee guys like go in with even the pretense of like doing an investigation without fighting people So some people mentioned it and I wanted to keep it until this point Was was the idea that they were going to kill everyone It there was never anything else to it Because if so that's insane that is insane high table. Why would the high table allow the marquee to do that? Why would they know how to do anything like that? How would they know that john wick was there? I was about to say we need to remember they go so kane says I reckon he might be hanging out with koji who's in the osaka continental because they were old friends It's like okay. Go kill everyone there Exactly the only pretext is kane has a hunch that one that's just might help him. It's so beyond I don't even know where to begin Which by the way would be amazing revenge for um kane to be like Oh, I got to work for these guys and I really don't want to and they're basically coercing me Yo, what if I just tell them how they would actually do this wouldn't it be funny If I told them that john wick was at the uh osaka hotel and they just like I tricked them into destroying all of their own hotels Okay, it's like pretty short. John is hiding at the disney hq. I don't know Yeah, because after the uh The continental in japan The High table should have been like you did once to the hotel. He started shooting it up. Why? Well, we thought he might have john wick there, but did you see him? Eventually someone did eventually I think He kind of killed every person who saw him, but you know like what do you mean? How did you survive the famous osaka archers? You know how we shot them with our guns With like john wick universe nobody uses rifles nobody really uses vehicles either What if one guy like I don't know they had like a little bird or something Yeah, some kind of helicopter like an attack helicopter of some sort and they use that How could any like institution even stop them with that? We never see anybody use like Do we ever see anybody use like grenades or RPGs or like any sort of explosive? I think he uses c4 in the first film to block some cars And he also uses a sniper rifle in that scene too because john wick one is better than all the other ones Actually, it would be really funny. He has this disposal Very funny if you had like one like in a new john wick like this one guy We need you to kill john wick's like, okay, uh, do we have tanks or like Like armored cars or anything you have like RPGs Can I have like an armored car like anything and I was like, oh, yeah, that's a really good idea I don't know why none of the other people ever thought about that Well, we talk of all the time. There's so many assassinate. That's another thing. It's like it's a assassination world Everybody just has a suit and a pistol Yeah, nobody has like what do you mean? Well, there's a girl with a bow and arrow like Oh Yeah, because uh, it's funny as well You're just talking about like that theoretical conversation about telling them the report of what happened at Osaka, which like I said I'll just glancy brown disapproves of it Wait, do you want to I've just got a meme. I've got a meme You know how like in winter soldier that scene where like captain america charges towards the minigun with this like Shield and all the bullets deflect I could easily just imagine if somebody had a minigun in john wick if john wick just held up His suit and ran towards it and all of the bullets were like reflecting off Yeah, like wonder woman with her shield He turns around reflects his suit and then it shoots the bullets You'd have to you'd have to time the parry. Okay You have to time the parry if they lift up the suit right as the bullet strikes. That's how you get the parry Um, yeah, so Clancy brown surprised by the choice right meaning the high table would be too So if what bell was they could actually actually happen? They see the report.  What did you do to Osaka? It would just be like wait It's not as bad as what we did to new york. They were like, what did you do to new york? What did you do to new york? That's like Well, you change your management or what do you sell it? I do love the idea that like marky And it meant the nothing marky you have full power go ahead and the first thing he does is nuke one of the continental's like What the that's not what we meant by full power Who told you that? We thought you'd be a little more clever Here's a big old here's a big old problem that you have Like if you just go into continental's the apparent like safe haven locations in the john wick world and just keep having these crazy gunfights in them Doesn't that destroy people's trust in the idea of the continental if anything? Yeah, the whole point is that the continental is meant to be neutral ground.  Oh one guy goes haywire.   You might as well be involved Suck too, that's fine.  Oh, yeah, they were That's right. The the sushi store guy and then um I I I guess laurence fishburn is is over getting chopped up because that was a lady who ordered that but she's not part of this story Yeah The high table lady or whatever the adjudicator got him chopped up Seven true.  She does that looks like it could be a double or whoever does it. Um, okay. Yeah, but it's 50 50 on that I I'd have to look at it again.  I remember the stories.  Nobody's meeting with the marquee and uh The conversation is pretty straightforward at first.  He's like, if you pay me, I can tell you There's how much is 25 million plus matching contribution to my 401k And uh, he says nah We found him once we can do it again. And then he says before or after he kills you And uh, the marquee then goes I like you It's like okay All right Then he says but we'll do it for 20 million and then he goes 23 And then uh, marquee's like ego Mr. Nobody and he was you could afford it. I'm just sort of I'm just waiting for anything to happen You know, I'm just like, I don't really care how much you had over literal millions Um, and then something does happen the marquee stabs mr.  It's the kind of thing. Um, I don't even like the movement of it if he shakes his hand And then you like brings it up slams it on the table draws the knife out and then stabs it in and I was just like, you know You would have pulled your hand away any normal person would have during that whole thing until the knife went in, of course And it's pretty easy to too because just you've got your full body strength He's only got his arm because he's trying he's using the other part of his body to do the other stuff So it's just just he sort of allows the knife to go into his hand.  I'm like the the tin man from Wizard of Oz. All right walking out here I'm wondering if like the point of that is that you have two choices in terms of your way to deal with the world When you have a knife in your hand you can pull the knife out Which essentially means that you're sort of agreeing to the terms of the world Like you're gonna and it's the one that causes you the least pain and harm But it's obviously like the path of least resistance or you can like fight back against the world Um, but look at where that'll get you that'll get you your hand like torn to shit or something Which represents essentially being destroyed. That was the impression I got then I saw the scene and I was just confused I didn't understand it at all.   Well, no deal.   What are you doing?  That's so funny. Well, I did. That's a funny goofy thing in a movie. Well, yeah But not not ironically mauler. They wanted you to do it.  I am sure something that definitely makes sense. It doesn't make you go.  Nobody is now officially on the payroll and he's gonna be going for john wick more so I guess he's gonna be tracking john wick.    It's about the idea of john wick, right? Um, and then john says, okay, where do I find him?  He does actually say where do I find him first? Yeah, because this is kind of funny. It kind of relates to john wick too.  That might narrow it down a little bit, but no paris is good enough and uh as he's leaving He's like, when does this end and he says with him dead, which I find really interesting because it's like Do you isn't even the marquis to blame at this point? Is it not the high table?  So he's got to go first This is why there's gonna be so many more john wicks All we have to do is just a pipeline of people There's a here know you know you they even say it in the movie at some point of things Like they have more people to replace that you have bullets or something like that um And so then he's like, have you learned nothing you have to kill him the smart way? And it's such a like what with the pencil like no, no, no I legit have no idea what he was talking about and there's a reason for that because what he's talking about has never come up Before I think it's gonna be a brand new mechanic. He says challenge him to single combat And I legit like it just it just sends me completely.  That's an actual mechanic. No way And then john's like well, I can't because I don't sit at the table And then winston says yes, but your family sits at the table And then john says but they've torn up my ticket And winston says you just gotta mend the ticket Isn't this just like You don't get to do that. Where do we even begin all these new rules out of your behind Is In john wick two or three that he could just challenge the guy to a duel and then that would clear him and it'd be fine Yeah, can you do the duels for the markers? Okay, do that Just get rid of the marker for the duel does it work? I don't know why not Why not why pretty useful? What does it mean to be ex-communicado but also have a family? Yeah, exactly. I thought that you were locked out of everything that that's what it meant And can he escape the duel by challenging someone else to like can the marky be like No, I'm gonna go challenge someone else before you challenge me. Well, I mean because uh, the marky had the option to say no I think it seemed that way Winston talked to him. He basically said I accept and it's like well, what do you mean you accept if if you have to So what happens if he just says nah, then you're just still ex-communicado Well, yeah, winston says that like you'll accept because you want the the prestige of having killed john wick yourself Bring him into your light Oh, whatever. I know That's that's the way of justified It's like no, trust me the marky is a character will accept the duel literally Doesn't even make sense though because when the duel is set like when it is arranged He then he then pays money to get a bunch of people to try and kill him before he could show up That is a great point. So it doesn't even they use a character reason to make it happen That they then don't follow through on that they then buy they they outright contradict. It is the opposite Wow, great awesome writing. I didn't have that in my notes So nice. Yep. That's a new that's a new thing there new problem. Nothing uh stays consistent at all Yeah, it just feels like every single I keep wanting to say episode and I might start calling it episodes at this point because that's all they are It's uh every single episode.   You know, it's a thing or you don't don't give me this myth. That's like false awakens What does it mean to be a myth that you can have a duel in the john wick world? It's not been done for thousands of years for you if the ancient assassins would do it The ancient assassins even the one with the bones damn Chapters of the book of boba wick Boba wick Oh And so yeah, he's like all right then I guess I got to go mend my ticket so that I can then sit at the table So that I can then challenge the marquee, but he can always just refuse Yeah, and all of this entail. This is the side quest portion of the film really. Yes Or it's it's like it's like the missions that you do before the big mission, right? So like in grand theft auto 5 with the highest missions This is like one of the quests you can do To basically set yourself up for the heist They needed to have john wick and winston in a room there and then have lester off telling them what their options are Like how they do it because he's off to berlin, right?  That's that's considered like an impossibility But yet he's just like, I don't know.  Let's just do it I presume that that was meant to be a comedy bit.  Oh, we're yeah beneath the high table Well, because john says we have the same enemy and then she's like what I mean What could you possibly do for us?  Yeah, it's like wow that'll mend the ticket You're literally Refamilar family arise him so that he can regain his seat at the table Despite being ex-communicado as long as he kills someone who as far as I know is chill with the table Right killer hawken Yeah, I think so how could that possibly work like isn't isn't the marquee gonna annihilate that family You think they would like he talked about everything that idea touches like they're all dead Yeah, well, I guess I guess not Yeah, the response to that because they're fine.  They're the cool russian family. It's it's fine to worry about it Um, and yeah, I don't think anything else of note happens in that scene Except maybe I am claus I am claus really. I don't know why this is even this is a funny bit probably that they wanted to be Yeah, it's supposed to be funny. I think yeah Rags liked it.  I guess than anything else in the movie kind of except maybe donny yen's character So the idea is the family deliver john to killer hawken saying like we captured him for you And he's like, oh cool. Thanks. That's nice. That's very epic of you But he doesn't actually care about them and he's saying uh The dirty people.  No, no, of course they would and untying him. Of course you need to do that, you know for reasons And yeah, so it's like, okay, so what's happening here? What's gonna happen and uh Uh Turns out the arrival of someone else. He says you because john's like wait killer hawken was expecting me and it turns out Kane is here And you're like, wait, how could kane possibly be here?   You just always know everything's like, yeah I'm just friends with john wick. So I know stuff. That's how I know stuff Where are we? Sorry?  We have where are we right now?  He is big. And like I said, uh, kane is also here and the way he reasoned it was he figured This is where john would be, you know, of course he's he's really good at just like so good at that reasoning where john is And you know if people wanted to argue Well, he knows this because he knows john would want to mend his ticket so that john could do a challenge to the Marquis like if that's how he actually figured all of this he'd be like, so one Why didn't you go here first instead of the Osaka continental and two if you know all of that What's the threat the marquis can always just say no Like so like the john wouldn't necessarily try this, right? The marquis people would already know about all this, right? They should this is a privilege. This is a privileged kane information That's correct.  He's there now.  That's why he's here And you're like, okay fine. Yeah, he guy must be annoyed like he just agreed to this deal With the tracker and don't he and it's like, oh, I actually know where he is. He's I'm going there now Oh, okay um, one that makes you wonder why he even bothered with the deal there's clearly tension there for them and uh Kane says mr. Wick may feel responsible for the death of a friend But I uh may feel like I'm responsible for the death of a friend, but I didn't kill koji You did john and it's so funny.  Like he's he just wanted to die.      It's like, well I guess kane and harkin kill him Right, what else can happen? Uh, um, I I know what happens. You know what happens, but like I I Why I like like why does kane not because kane pulls a gun on harkin. He's like no don't and it's like what What's what are we doing? John's right there.    You don't know anything I I thought the card game was to be like symbolic about a lesson or something and and it will we'll get to it But I guess I just thought it would have been interesting That was my problem I think we're supposed to believe like they all have winning hands of different levels, but the harkin has the Is like a royal flush, right? Oh, it was that Did nobody have a royal flush? I can't remember. Nobody had a royal flush Uh harkin had five twos. That was what it was, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the point of all of that? Well, no someone did right didn't uh didn't tracker man have a royal flush then. Yeah. Yeah, that's what yeah Yeah, yeah I mean, uh, it's the most of it's the it's not the rarest technically every hand is the rarest But you know like it's the most valuable hand of cards you could possibly get And he gets it and then he gets like a four and then the thing is like Oh, are you like trying to like teach a lesson or or a story using cards about how You know that the system can be rigged and that's duh or something like that Well, so explicitly he says one thinks he can serve his way out one thinks he can buy his way out One thinks he can kill his way out each of them all think they have the winning hand But the moment they took a seat at the table they'd already lost Yeah, because he just cheats Well, but like I just what am I supposed to gain from that?  I feel so many people praise the cod scene and I was like I legit don't know what I'm supposed to gain from it Help me out someone please I um, sorry I don't I don't know like Like is it supposed to be like I am the dealer and you're in my house. So like I win always But he loses Well, that's the point John Wickes succeeds Even wins against cheaters. Yeah, there you go um The cod scene is to show the game is rigged Okay Is that it Yeah, hardsheem is a so the game is but that is the game is the card scene isn't he saying that the table has always been in control No, the whole thing just the whole system The the table like the table shouldn't have things rigged There should be rules that they're playing that that the whole point is that they're all playing by these rules They've also established and the table is just John's done whatever the fuck he's wanted for the past like four movies I don't understand how are we learning from this is that the table controls everything. It's like no, it doesn't Yeah, the whole and what is this supposed to? Yeah, like what am I supposed to do with this lesson if that's even it Like like if it if it actually is the only thing I'm supposed to gain is explicitly what he says Which is the being involved in the table in any way just means you've lost this is like, okay Yeah, I heard that 37 times Yeah, um, you know, I'll keep that in mind as John kills all of the members of the high table in John Wick 4 5 and 7 8 9 whatever So Anyway Action scene ensues because John cuts Hawkins throat with a card Uh Which that's a sharp card. I guess if you do it fast enough, right?  He already said that by the way. John said he's gonna kill him Um, I don't know just a little bit more self-preservation would be neat in this movie for different characters that aren't the main ones Um, yeah, so I guess that's that's how we should explain it piece by piece He cuts Hawkins throat But it's done in such a way that it's not really much of a wound. It's a very very thin shallow wound Yeah, it's it's not it's not what which is you know, he just freaks out and sort of starts running away while This thing I don't understand what the fuck's going on Mr. Nobody sends his dog after one of the guards And then Cain starts shooting to death all of the guards What's going on right now? death That's it. I don't know is is Is the card game the train is the card game's point that Hawkins gonna kill all of them Why all of them? I don't know Because he works with the table the table want John dead Cain is here from the table Mr. Nobody was hired by the marquee himself. Yeah Everyone here wants John dead. Why are we all killing each other? I don't understand Yeah, this is the part of the writing right? We're like, okay, we have this scenario But how do we write it in a way that like some of them like they want to fight with John against these people Why would they want to do that? You know, we have to come up with the reason for things to happen. Yeah The point of the card game is that the table wins in the end which happens by the end of the film No, they don't no John gets to leave they heavily lose The table has to like kill two of their whole hotels and lose an insane amount of personnel In stuff and John just gets to leave Even though John brought the rules Yeah, like they couldn't have had a greater loss other than him killing all of the high table which he will do at some point probably I don't understand how the high table could possibly see what happened in this movie as a win Like that's not even close The amount of men who died the amount of money that was spent the Continentals lost all of the networking that's been damaged Their reputation is in fucking tatas John wickers annihilated them, but he's thought like Obviously we're not operating on the information that uh, he's actually dead by the way No way it's happening. It's just no way but anyway, yeah, that's just a big old fight happening and everyone here like doesn't have guns They will have axes Oh, yeah, they do Would be uh, you know different if they did have guns One meat thing happens. No, it wouldn't mawler. No, it wouldn't It would all in the same way It would yeah John uh, John goes to chase Hawkins.  That's that's kind of fun ironic And to be fair, I shouldn't say flashbang. It's probably just a flash If it was a flash. Yeah, it was a bang Then you think that you have to cover his ears Um That's true I was gonna mention it earlier, but I had to step away when you're talking about it When john goes into the church to talk to their roma people And the priest takes out the shotgun and blasts him with it So was he meaning to kill john with that? I'll just say I guess uh, if he had he'd be fine with it But they'll you're like they'll capture him after it. So I don't I don't know honestly and um Secondly I was gonna get to it about the gun thing That's not how guns work. What if you take if you take out a gun And he like let's say that the The the priest right takes out that shotgun He hits john Sorry, I got hiccups all of a sudden randomly. Oh, no He hits john with the shotgun shell and john like flies back comically off the stairs and like into the aisle And the the guy who shot the shotgun the priest is just standing there So if john was hit with enough force to make him fly back from the shell Then the priest guy is gonna fly back even further because that's how physics works No They have a sci-fi attack Oh, okay This is one of those things that you see In movies and stuff where people get shot with bullets and they fly back But the person who shot the gun They don't move at all One of the ones I really liked is uh, do you remember parts of the car being three? No God, I wonder if I'm going to be able to reference this well enough that I can actually pull it up Let's let's check my archiving powers here It's uh, I forget the the name of the character, but he's like the he's like um No, I don't know. Is he in the first one? He's like the midget of the team sort of thing um Someone in chat will remember you guys you guys your memory of parts of the Caribbean should be better Mine, okay, maybe I don't know I think it's near the beginning Do you have a cannon?  No, no, I'm gonna you have to pull up the stream. I will fetch it. All right. Let me click live All right, here we go. It's almost there. Oh, it's a great moment. Oh boy All right, here you go That's pretty great and that's what you're talking about, right? Such a great gift Hey I think the way the way that he's holding it that that that thing would just flown out of his hands backwards But yeah, if he was like shoulder in it or something. Yeah, but that's way funnier That is way He's back Oh, I can't remember like anything about now the only memory I have of this movie is this This moment Oh, that's wild Well, yeah, I mean, uh, we'll do a pirate talk at some point for sure I'm like the good stance and everything but it wasn't enough.   He's like, all right. I want to fight you does that make sense Maybe the maybe when he saw the blood on his neck he freaked out I was actually I thought that was like the first half of making sense of Like he saw the blood thought I need to go to the hospital or Well, people can panic when they see like their own blood um so maybe Yeah, he he felt a pain in his neck And then he saw the blood and so he started kind of panicking and freaking out That happens a lot of the time if people get head wounds And they you know, they they reach up. Yeah. Yeah, so I can buy that but like what would what was his goal? I guess Oh Maybe he was just um, maybe he's got tired of running Fat guy.  Oh god blood Uh, and it's like isn't the best thing to do to Be with your 20 guards sort of thing Could be maybe He could put in between them the better Maybe it was like let me go to the club. John is not gonna be crazy enough to actually shoot in there He's gonna kill that's what kind of want to get now is like he then decides actually I'll take him on one on one Like okay, and by the way Very conveniently.  I guess or something or But like there are guards everywhere potentially They only have access so it's fine.  Yes There is a shit ton of people just dancing and vibe into the music while this bloody murder happening all around them Another staple of the john wick franchise Yeah, this isn't actually new You might have thought it's new it's not the first time they did it was in john wick 2 I think because in the first one, I think they're the everyone reacted and Yeah, yeah In the club and so into Well in two they he goes on to the stage And someone runs at him and he shoots him in the face And and I'm really this well, I think at this point you could say oh, that's stage thing But the band is there.  That's gonna go great But then when he jumps into the audience then people start like running away and sort of panicking a bit A little bit. Yeah, there's like this one scene where they go left and right and it's really funny Because it looks like they just lined up people left and right and when the scene started told them to run left and right Because no one right. It's really fake like it didn't look like real panic It's just something I remember just now But yeah, that's that's that's just the thing that has been happening. I'm not reacting to murder. It's like, oh, no Assassin fight while I'm going out clubbing trying to get drunk I hope I don't get blood on me this week. Look, this martini was nine dollars.  Like put in this guy who's super experienced and body built for this sort of thing in a fat suit then having him still do those things Like an austin powers. Yeah, but you know, because it's just like Fun, I imagine he had fun when doing it To some extent because it looks so funny, but I don't think is it supposed to be that kind of funny I don't even know anymore. It's all funny.  Oh It's amazing And he does he does the wolverine thing. He needs about a couple seconds before he's back up to full power Um, and yeah, everyone starts attacking him once he's back up to full power with axes because Axes yep, they all have axes. This is an axe themed game It's yuck We have the bows we have the swords now we have the axes They attack him with axes 2023 um Just a bit sad all of it, you know because like It's it's really flashy and that's what everyone talks about everyone was saying like how amazing this scene is And I was just like damn dude I just couldn't Stop being distracted by the insanity of his plot armor and how stupid every one of his enemies is But I guess the colors are pretty And the water is cool I don't get why like it's like how come joll wick gets to get away with it. It's not fair It isn't fair Like well, it looks real cool and the music's pretty cool Marvel films get away with it more if they had better cinematography and visual effects is that what's I think so Everything else at the moment. Yeah, unless less cuts in the fights.   Takes one of his teeth as proof Well, that's uh That's that a guy we've never heard of and we'll never heard of again because that was a very Definitive side quest as was mentioned. Oh, yeah. Yep. Let's say, um, not the best proof That you've killed someone but I guess there'll probably be news reports and things that can Do they have social media in this world? I don't even know You just take a picture with your phone How does he have a phone? I don't know Oh, probably not right because otherwise I would assume this would be on the news Crazy ax razors in bade club Um So, yeah, I don't know it's it's all rather baffling, but he does actually get the ticket Mended which involves like a fucking. I don't know.  Yeah, they have like a like a big Tub, uh, I forgot the proper name for it where you like melt stuff in And then they have like openings on the side, which is like, I don't know Symbols or writing and then they both have to put it on there and I don't know if that's for Rejoining or joining in general because if it's for joining in general, they all should have scars already Especially the leader lady. Yeah, she'll be covered in those damn things Yeah, I was gonna say even if it is just for mending tickets. Does she have to do that for every ticket mending? Because damn, yeah, that's like, oh god. No, you can't rejoin.  Where's a fake arm for it?  You gotta probably go to a hospital. No, it's fine He even shows it off in one of the next scenes and it's just heal. Well not healed, but like it's fine. It doesn't bother him Yeah Um Yeah, I mean swiftly moving on because nothing will happen to that wonderful family. They're fine. The table won't hate them forever It's totally chill. It's not like they helped and supported john wick and then added them into the family once He killed a member of the table question mark Whatever for the express purpose of dueling the marquee. Yeah, that's the whole reason this is all happening too It's just like man, you have every reason to have gotten all of those people killed and john doesn't even seem to notice.  He's just like he can't do that He doesn't have a family and then he goes actually he does it. He just got it all sorted here It is evidence and then he goes, okay. Well, why would I accept and he's like because there are rules and then he says uh new rules new ideas now and it's just like what and then Winston in response right it's up to the table I don't even know what's happening because winston just says in response yet You will accept because we all sit beneath the table even you And then the guy's like, okay, so what are his tubes? He says unconditional release of any and all obligations to the table also rebuild Uh and reinstate me and rebuild my continental and he's just like Hmm And he's thinking about it and then winston goes you could be remembered as the man who brought john wick the most Feared of all into the light.  It's unreal that that would work for your math test You would have untold power Untold power in the classroom It's just it's just funny to me that the implication is he could just say no, but winston's like, yeah, but wouldn't it be cool though?  You're ready.  But uh at the same time it's like I thought the whole thing was not killing winston Yeah, but not different.   I don't know sad turn off a week later.  I'm not killing this.  Here's your death warrant This is revenge best served hot and steamy like he didn't white at all He's right on this also someone has highlighted a problem that I've just raised technically But I don't want to get to that until we get to the the fight. All right, so don't worry. We'll get there Well, I got you one of those things, you know sometimes Sometimes errors They have to wait until Yeah, you did. Yeah, it's one of my favorite flaws of the whole movie. It's so funny um, so they have to pick uh Basically the idea is that john and the marquee have to Pick an answer to a question say for example When will the dual commence they both pick and then if they're different answers, they both have to draw a card That's made of metal or whatever Glass, I don't know um and whoever's the higher number then gets their pick And so john says he wants it now and the marquee says he wants it at sunrise The marquee wins. So it's at sunrise Let's start with that one I find that hilarious that the marquee is planning to send an army of assassins at john so that he couldn't possibly make it to the dual Right, he wants to kill him before he can get here Yeah, why did he choose sunrise? Just take all the way later time. Why did he just say? Oh, you know 2030 I was about to say is there a time limit to say 2050 Was there a distance limit if you if you want to have it later if you want to have it immediately Then say oh Bangkok, Thailand Well, it's a location the moon And he's like, huh, they'll never be able to do that and then they're like, all right. Here's your space suit We're getting into the rocket Is actually You can fly right john wick can fly you can fly to the moon. Yeah John wick just like just like with neo He jumps into the air and just flies up to the moon and the space suit is just because he's immune to fall damage The space suit is just a normal suit again It's just the same suit. It's like, oh, yeah, this one has space capabilities. No worry. Yeah Someone said the space suits would also just be three pieces. Yeah, probably That's what I just said. That's what meadow just said. Yeah. Yeah, I just noticed it when the chat said it It's it's a fun idea that deserved repeating. Okay I'm not sure. I'm all right We'll have our we have our dueling suits. We have our our gunfight suits.  That's not true. Yeah, we know it's not true He was fine for a long time without killing dude He didn't want to start killing and he kept killing and someone killed his dog. That's the whole mean Yeah, I was just chilling. It was like, hey, this is great I'm gonna chill out with my wife. Well until she died.  It was pretty good actually Then mr. Krabs is like, all right. So we're done, right? We've got the location sword the time sword whatever and they've chosen He wanted knives. I think all swords or whatever and john wanted pistols and pistols went out. So Yeah, dueling pistols specifically And he's like, yeah, so we're done and then the mark he goes. Whoa one more thing a nomination And then uh Krabs is like, yeah, who and then he goes kane And then Krabs just goes, okay, so be it I think it's like, hang on wait.  What do you mean?  I don't know if you remember She's still there And can we just be like the whole like doesn't this circumvent the whole point of the duel You know the person you've challenged to a duel can just say no, this gem is gonna do it Jim's gonna do it Jim is the expert at whatever it is we're doing especially because you can choose your second After you've determined what the duel will be about So if if the other person's like, oh, I don't know that fencing rapiers is like, oh, I nominate the world champion and rapier fencing Yeah Well, so that's the part I was gonna highlight mr. Krabs doesn't even check if it's okay. He just says right it's like Can I nominate anybody in the world? I think the other thing he says like, well, that is his right. It's like why I want to duel him. Why are you allowing all these people at me? Yeah, it's like I want to duel him. That's the whole point of me saying I want to duel you Not some other random guy And it's like, oh, no, you know you know make me fight my friends.  It's like wow you guys are great. You guys are awful How do you have anyone she's so great.  Okay, I mean he's blind. I don't know if you remember that but I'm just gonna duck, you know Fun of kane was like He just won when he gets nominated. He's like dude. I literally cannot see And john knows that very well. Are you sure you want me?  They're all sitting around Oh, I know what you're talking about.  They're all just like wow and he's just standing there. He goes. What what's happening? Why is everyone quiet? What's going on? It's one of those Movies from they don't do they make those kinds of movies anymore the stepbrothers dodgeball All kind of movies I like balls of fury it is a bit of a discount dodgeball, but it's still good Top ball. It's still a famous movie to this day They just don't make those movies anymore and they're so funny and stupid Land of the lost like that I don't really like that you put land of the lost with dodgeball because like I think dodgeball is actually like pretty solid Whereas well that that general kind of movie the the sort of comedy kind of movie Yeah, because they're definitely well different qualities I saw a trailer for something that was seemed to me like it was going to be that kind of goofy even got wil ferrell in it It's called strays. It's about talking dogs and that's coming out at some stage this year I guess. Oh boy, you know your career is doing good when they start casting you for talking animals Hey, I last wish was great Yeah, that's why I said that's how you know your career is doing great. There you go Uh, so gone and kane have a little chat before everything's gonna go down um I don't really know what I would mention about the conversation that is of interest kane basically says like We do everything we do we do for the living the live the living that are all that matter And that if it's between you and my daughter you're going to die And that is the opportunity be like How is it your daughter versus me as opposed to your daughter versus the table? Yeah Think about it kane think about it talk about how they just coincidentally happen to show up at the same church Maybe they they said meet me here. Oh, we kind of chance. I don't know I mean kane knows where he is all the times anyway. Yeah, he literally has a tracker I had a feeling you would be here for john John radar this is this is the church you always go to before a duel john Like I know I know that's the first time I've ever been here. I'm your friend Um So yeah, then mr.  Where's your hourglass? He never brings it back?   Krabs. He's like what? What you can't do that. I don't want to do it Pull a weapons hour glasses pistol You can't make me do it. He's like I have a marker.  What did I do to that marker?  Yeah The marker John Wick 2 um So then the marky's good old mini boss walks up to when he says like, what are you doing, man? Why are you putting your faith in a blind man and he's talking about the duel?   He's a ghost, but the blind man.  I'm sitting there like but what about the obvious thing that's happening right now That completely destroys that quote.  Like I don't know that's does nothing though. It's fine. Don't worry about it The follows I would say and mr.    No, it's called the high table because they're actual infants That's the big twist john fights his way up this huge tower Like of all these men and then he gets the the boss It's just a baby and he's like it all makes sense. Oh, yeah, it's like Yeah, you have boss baby there And then there's uh, there. Oh, there's the e-trade baby. Do you guys remember the e-trade baby? What about the sun baby from tally tubbies? That's there too. Oh, yeah, the sun baby from tally tubbies grogu's there It's just oh my god, it's so many famous babies Allora dad ends there Yeah, and then you have um like just an embryo from man of steel He finally got his chip. He finally got his chance Oh To become a part of the table it like reduces you to your baby form I don't know. I don't what are some other famous babies? Like I love the inauguration of it is like you could just write a random rule go right ahead It's like what if it contradicts other rules? It doesn't matter go right ahead Just write a rule. It's real fun. We do it all the time It's great. Oh my goodness We're about to begin the big action sequence Uh hobo man hobo man shows up and he gives john his outfit and gun I thought he already had it in a way or whatever gets a new big boy suit It's really funny. He says like uh, if you if you have any close encounters or intimate encounters I think he says this pistol it has fangs rags rightfully said What does that mean? I was like well, it means that you can dismantle the gun to a point where it can be used to stab people The big question you may have Is why not just give him a knife No, okay. That's fine.  I mean because I just knives are like it's really weird I've noticed this knives are like built for human hands to stab people with You I mean you could I mean I guess it's like ergonomically You could stab with a knife attached to the end of a pistol grip. That'd be fine. It's just Like it's inside of the pistol That's obviously what I'm getting at because we watch him stab people with it I'm not saying it's that that's like an impossibility or even a difficulty. It's just the You you present this like it's this amazing feature of a gun when it's just like oh, we have those already The knives and they fit like on a belt.  We're gonna have to check that gun for a knife It might just So but yeah, they they like think it's really cool describing this one gun they give to john as I get to Like a millimeter pit viper or something like that. I'm like, it's a nice gun.  Yeah, it's good. It has a name. It's being talked about like it's really special and cool it let a cool gun I think you should have said like not only Does it stab?  We've got venom in it It slices or actually it's even more than that when you detach the thing a snake jumps out It just jumps out and starts attacking people Allegedly if you remove the fangs you can eat it for health, but I'm gonna be honest.  I get well they build it up first. We got this um, this dj person who's like Announcing to the world that the bounty is going up and that john wick is we know I was about to say we know where he is. They know he's in paris. They don't know more than that Right, so she says for all the people out there to all my loyal listeners tonight is your chance to make some beautiful music It seems there's a thorn in our slice of paradise a wicked man If you want the prize There's a thorn in our slice of paradise. That's just like that just doesn't work There's like a there's a lot of this whole thing. It's You have like a a fly in the ointment or something like that You have like a thing and a thing that isn't supposed to be there like a thorn in a slice of paradise It feels like thorn slice and paradise of one part of three different things Yeah, like it doesn't like it doesn't quite mesh like oh, we've got too much salt on our Tofu slide or something, you know, just like a like you do a food related thing as an example Or you do a gardening related thing as an example Well, so my issue with this was going to actually be that up to that point I was kind of okay with it in terms of this announcement because I was like, oh, remember when The idea was that we're in the real world. She's actually on a radio and that you can tune in as a normal person But that she all she says is it's your chance to make some music There is a wicked man out there And she says this golden oldie goes out to him Um, and up to that point. I was kind of like okay cool Yeah, there's assassins listening to that and they're like wicked man That's gonna be john wick then and maybe I would have appreciated some of like get john in there somehow But in a different place at some point So they have to just do a little bit of but then she just says this hit goes out to you john wick Like oh That makes it a little lesser Um, yeah, I mean Yeah, it's a little overt. I guess if you're just listening in you're like, oh, I guess it's john wick's a special guy Well, so it's not really a criticism. It's more of just a sad moment of like well That could have been more neat, but it was just that you could have done something a bit more clever But instead he just said john wick um Which yeah, I think it starts to crank up with uh The the the whole sequence he gets his shit from oh he does say on his gravestone He wants it to say loving husband. He says that to winston and the hobo king and it's just kind of like remember the wife Yeah, the wife From the first movie who's in the first movie.  What do you do if you're john wick?  That's john wick because nobody's gonna think the cloud is john wick Nope That's what he should have done a mime because he's in paris. You could do a mime. That's an oh mime So these are like these are the high level brain plays. Okay I wouldn't expect john wick to be able to achieve that. So what can we do for maybe john? This is a high level mime maneuver right here. Well, what about a ghost sheet? Like is this spooky halloween costume? It's like, ooh, and then he orders a taxi cab and he says, ooh, take me to the duel Imagine being a taxi cab in paris and some ghost rolls up to you walks up gets in your cab and says Take me to the duel The cab driver's like, yes, sir. He knows exactly what he wants. Absolutely sir right away It's like several duels happening at a little time in paris. It's like whatever. It's normal Oh, take me to the duel. No, if anyone's unclear on why we're suggesting these It's that you don't want to look like john wick is my point when you're moving from one place to another in public Because that's what everybody's been told to kill You know, like I said clown ghost mime, whatever you just just pick You know what? You could just wear a hawaiian shirt. You could tie his hair up. Maybe wear a wig Hey, it's me john wick or a decent man. I'm bobby You could have like oh, you remember um the pink panther outfit he has with the hump the fake the hemp He could use that he could put on the fake nose and everything. It would be great, but Fat suit you could go back and get the fat suit from the guy.  This is so I gotta get to the duel Um So there's all that but let's just let's just throw on a restriction for no reason at all He has to look like john wick. He has to be wearing the suit and the hair in the facial All of it has to stay the same. You're like Okay, why?  You're like, okay. Okay. All right. So that's that has to stay the same So now what's the plan? It's like well stay in the sewers and get as close as possible Maybe actually go by boat. That's not actually a crazy idea to get as close as possible Wherever the closest area would be to that and then just I don't know drive there It's gonna be hard for people to know That you're in a car, especially if you have like blackened out, you know, like the the shaded windows and stuff Yep, so if there's all you know that that'll do and it's like no, you're not allowed any of those things You're like i'm not allowed vehicles that will protect his identity. It's like no, you're not allowed vehicles Why you may ask shut up. Why so now what's your plan? It's like I'm not allowed any vehicles and i'm not allowed any disguises uh I guess he like He tries to find a way around like a really secret way stays by tries to go Avoid public areas. I don't know. Yeah. Why are these weird restrictions on me? And it's like well because we're almost to the reality Which is john wick knows this entire city is full of people that want to uh kill him Right and and he decides to literally walk from the sewers He's he erupts out of there at the Eiffel tower and he has to walk from there to his dueling location He's crossing streets filled with people and he looks literally just like john wick like I was I was confused. I thought I'd missed something when I saw this. I was like, oh, this is something he has to do for some reason It's part of the honor of the duel or something.  Why why couldn't he dress up as a clown? It would have been funny Yeah It would have been funny and he could think of all the weapons he could have used in the clown arsenal He could use like the flour with the water to blind someone. Oh my gosh, I should it wasn't I should have smelled it I thought it'd be great Then he punches him or he has like he takes off his red nose and he throws it at someone and it gets in their mouth Or oh my goodness hang on Oh, no Check this out There's a skeleton in there somewhere we can see the weak spots you could get him right between the To be fair the bullet would probably like bounce off of his um His facial hair is more unkempt It's more like that guy's facial hair I'm going to kill them all This is the memes that we were talking about right really early on that the The guy in john wick 2 comes to john wick like I need you to satisfy the marker.   I want to see the movie john feck of him doing action That'd be a good movie It'd be better than john wick 4 Yes, because he does uh I know this is going to surprise everybody He walks through the streets very publicly and then someone spots him and alerts the radio dj who then tells everybody Exactly where he is and then he is attacked Yeah, that's how we get our big fight.  It's like he got spotted immediately and it's like would that happen?  Everyone's an assassin, right? I'm very sad because I'm already I already know what we're gonna be talking about now um John wick gets hit by about seven or eight cars in this Yep, and some of the hits are like the worst kind of hits you can even have The kind that would have broken bones and possibly like moved his limbs in ways that are not the kinds you want to move them Um, oh no let alone the force And I feel like saying that most people would just be like Yeah, okay, so he was hit by like two or three cars was it and it's like no Like seven or four or five It's a lot it's seven eight. It happens really quickly But he's uh, he's hit by one right at the beginning to the floor and then immediately after that run over hard call by one So it's like two within like a couple seconds As soon as the fight starts Well, he gets yeah, he he slides off of a car into another car. So that's that's one Kind of I would even count the one where the car drives him into a car Like yeah, but yeah, yeah, and then he's hit by another car.  I'm not sure if that was supposed to happen or not But the guy then lifts both of his arms up and over to hang them over the door so that when john drives off He doesn't immediately fall off instead. He's dragged with it and then tossed off I guess the only way I can say this and the easiest way to understand is that the stuntman seemed to move His arms in a way that would put him in more pain and danger In order to make the scene work because his arms were in the right place. That's what it looked like.  This was like, oh, can I downgrade a movie from third monitor to a oh, I don't have a full I could put it behind another window I mean that would probably be better for the experience. Um, I explain what this is like This is just one of those checkout moments where you're bright You've just totally checked out from the movie 100 percent all of this is nonsense There's not going to be any issues John wick can do anything he wants. He could be in the middle of the street dozens of people can be shooting at him Over and over and over and over again Like three or four times over and over and he'll be fine.  There are no stakes Yeah Uh, and yet it's considered one of the best parts of the movie. I think by a lot of people This is like the the favorite action scene Why would this one be picked over like other set pieces?  There's cars driving everywhere There's men everywhere. There's people getting run over. There's dogs biting balls.  It has to be This is insane.  My cars he's okay Oh, because actually it is a serious movie where they just make mistakes all the time. That's probably it actually How about that? Yeah, that's what actually is the case. It's just it's just not very good well It's it's also the scene that feels the least tangible because it's clearly the one that has the most visual effect stuff going on Well, um Yes, and and the question rises of like we're the hell of the french police It's like Well, and why are all the people who are going on the roundabout just continuing to drive when there are people Stopping and shooting at each other like to be fair. They are frenchmen.  I guess like that happens so much Keeps going they just keep going and keep driving This is just leading just having a lovely little drive down the parisian streets Is uh What's john wick's concern for the potential collateral damage of like innocent people getting caught in the crossfire?   I'd be like, yeah, I think I don't think he would do that And it's like, okay. What about like just a guy just a random guy. It's like, yeah I don't think I think he'd be upset about that. It's like basing that on what exactly like Well, he just seems like a good guy.   Call me when you realize you do. He's like Whatever and then he does ring him back. He's like, okay.  It says fine Whatever you want fine fine fine. And so Mr. Nobody is now in the game in terms of like he's actually trying to kill john And you're gonna bring him a fancy old timey phone Yeah, it's a rotary phone. I'm pretty sure there was no cable on that thing. Yeah, it's wireless a wireless rotary phone Oh, of course. They didn't have a wire, but there was a dude that brought it to him So yeah, I'm a little tray Of all the millions of times in this film that people shoot at john and hit his suit The mini boss who's got really great accuracy from what we've seen Finally pulls the gun on john when he can do nothing right at his head. It's over. It's done But he freezes for a couple seconds. He looks at john.  It's when you've got the clean shot.   I'm like, okay, whatever So, uh, we begin Uh, the Don't like miami sequence. I guess is what you'd call it, right? Yeah Uh, I think that's a good way of describing it with the music from john wick one.  Almost infinitely about all the music choices in ragnarok all the Light motifs and how they set things up with different speeds and different instruments of the same tunes And then how they would repeat them and for tragedy or you know, whatever have you Yeah There's so much to say about what the songs are telling you and how they're backing things up and where they're placed With a lot of purpose This one to me it's funny because um a lot of people didn't even know that it's the song from the first one but I immediately was just like, uh, I remember this one Yeah, I remember that And and but like what is there to it other than that? It is just meant to be like this is the song from john wick one that played in the club. Remember Uh, I guess their thing would be well Hey, for those of you who because I wonder how many people have even seen john wick one at this point compared to like That's actually a good point. Well Well, I mean because uh, they've all they've they've made more and more money each time Each one's made like double the last one made at the box office. So I wouldn't be surprised at this point if like It's a lot of people who didn't even see john wick one And so it's just like cool music that's playing in this scene rather than Because it's not really a call back at all. They're not in a club that um, but what I'm trying to get at is there is nothing to it Other than this is the knee Essentially like you're directing. Yeah Yeah, which is kind of like the most this will ever do john wick because like if you think about it Like what what would be the meaning of playing that song here and it's just like well Well, it's uh, it's the thing is it's kind of awkward because it's not like I think you could you could read into it Being diagetic in the first film and into as well when they do like a similar thing with the club shoot out in uh like in the big Like ruins place where they play. I think it's the same artist as well who did that track um And it's like oh well that could be diagetic too because it's another night club like shootout But here they're just in like some Abandoned dilapidated building. Yeah So I think I think it's just because it is a song from the first one when it's about to accompany their big one take big uh spectacle shot so there's that and I realized when attempting to praise the fact that they chose that song It's like man. I'm kind of overblowing something that is a really simple choice that is just that song existed before And now here it is again. There's nothing more to it than that um And then of course, uh, yeah the styles for anyone who hasn't seen this It's basically like they're shooting it from like a bird's eye view and they're moving through each of the rooms as though there's no ceiling Uh, and it's like a big set that is all one shot and john's fighting everybody, but You know, it's the same stuff. You slow it down. Everybody there is much stupider than john Even though there's many of them. They're all like surrounding and they'll all miss their shots He'll hit them all none of them are wearing the um the special armor You know and and plenty of them have to wait If they all came at me be fucked. It's just all the normal stuff There's nothing I have to say about it in terms of choreography that makes me impressed of them the fact that it's new I'm just like, oh, this is different It's novel less for sure. I I mean I like the framing. I think it's like a cool way to shoot it Also, I mean I would one up that just say I like the normal way they they do it as well It's just I don't think the choreography is that impressive anymore right um I still like the regular way. He kills people. I just wish it was because like it's It's just something you don't get in most action movies where they actually let a scene Exist as it is and they fight each other instead of just cut cut cut even house the dragon really disappointed me with the um Like the sword combat.  I just know action is happening Well, it's it's the one thing that like is always going to earn john wick like points is the fact that To have enough confidence to have clarity in your stuff even if the choreography is uh You know like at least you have the confidence to show it Yeah fully and that you have acted to a willing to commit to doing the choreography like it's um It's it's uh, I think Because if you were to be like so what is it really that I think like people who especially people who are like more invested in Films like about john wick it probably would just be the fact that from a production standpoint It feels like everybody's working really hard to try and do something cool The problem is that like the script gets no attention or care at all um, it's just like I don't know and and it seems like a shame when if the script is uh More well fleshed out it could just like serve to enhance all of this Like these scenes could exist beyond like when people talk about these scenes later on You know in the same way that people talk about really cool action scenes from uh You know from other films that you could talk about the Character motivations that are informing the fights rather than just the fights That's that's that I mean I don't even know what to say if there's any else you guys wanted to say about that scene you go right ahead Uh, no not really all that work and yet You know You watched john wick for the action not for plot. Why are there any plot at all? Why isn't it just action scenes then also? How about we have a film where the action and the plot is good. How about that? Yeah, like john wick one I don't know. Whatever they say this. I'm always just like okay, but both question mark Well, I suppose it's it because if somebody said why don't really care about the cut scenes in this game, right? Like I'm only in it for the mechanics. Well, it's like, yeah, well, I guess you can skip those right But like when I'm at the theater watching john wick four, I can't skip the plot. I was gonna say it's It's like 75 percent plot It's a it's a long movie and the action scenes are long.   It's the same as like with a lot of the role in emrick films Like really you want to see the disaster stuff, but unfortunately 2012 has like Way more of just shit character work and and terrible scenes like connecting it all together Like I The raid because the raid feels like that is a film where The plot is very much there to facilitate the action scenes But the of course the raid has like incredibly well choreographed action scenes Oh, yeah with a huge amount of clarity And a lot of variety in terms of the action scenes and the scenarios are to set up in terms of the locations that they're fighting in Whether they be hallways or the big open like lab that they fought in These sort of like mini bosses with their own unique gimmicks and stuff But like I don't remember the plot of that film very well because it's been a long time But I remember it all being like totally serviceable Like it wasn't like that it was all serviceable and uh for the for the action scenes to happen in this case It's like it is detrimental a lot of the time Like a lot of what is enabling these action scenes to happen. It's just like You know, like it's just it's just ridiculous And I don't understand why people would want to dismiss the idea of like having a strong plot or strong characters or strong character conflicts Because we mentioned with empire what makes it so easy to be invested in that fight between vader and luke is the characters And like having john once again like imagine all these people mattered imagine they were sent by Someone who like had a deep connection with john Imagine they were there with them and we know that and you can identify them through what they're wearing and So like each of the combat scenes like that we can actually tell how things are progressing better in terms of characters rather than nothing at all and then of course Like lord the rings might be a comparison of just like building a plot line that you can see like Oh saraman's building a whole army. He's getting all of his tech ready. He wants to take over rohan He wants it rohan currently are on the back foot.  Oh, we have it. Oh, I see I see how everything's coming together Oh, shit, and then when it like starts to build up the actual scene It's like, yep, I understand how everything got here now I'm ready for everyone to start killing each other instead of just randomly being like, you know Frodo is moving through the world trying to get that ring there then suddenly there's like, hey, look at this castle Oh, wow, there's lives of men in the castle. Oh, wow This one's attacking that cat. Wow. That's just something that's happening. Look at that. That's interesting Anyway, it's like moving back on like why would you want contextless action? And if you say like well, it's not contextless.  But like this film was three hours long I was about to say even even those shorts would probably have more Context, yeah, yeah It's just not a big story, right? It the context is there just for the action scene to happen And the action is often better too people who do the sword fights and stuff some of that stuff Some of that's really impressive Or you know like those guys who do like the assassins creed like parkour videos where they're like running around on rooftops and stuff Like that's really cool to watch as a spectacle If if they were going to make that two hours long You know, I probably would expect like some meaningful. Yeah, why is this guy running? What's he running from? What what are you doing? I don't know.  What was that? Just give it give it a youtube for you go go check out Um, yeah, by the way, I want to amend my statement. It's not that nobody would ever want um context as action It's the why would you pick it over? context, you know Why would you especially when you have to watch context? It's it's just it boggles the mind sometimes like yeah, these are cool cutscenes for fights But man because they could be so much more interesting and better Not just for choreography not just for character not just for plot not just for will building all of it all at once And man these movies would be fucking amazing at that point imagine how well these would do at that point Well, maybe maybe they would do any better or worse I reckon they'd do better if if all the room is tight as fuck and the characters are really interesting When we're talking about uh, like I enjoyed plenty of the scenes in top gun maverick that weren't them in the planes Like that film makes efforts to actually have some amount of character informing those action scenes. I'm sure everybody would agree like Isn't that preferable? Like if you're gonna have one of the two I think so Yeah It has to be like, you know, the last wish if someone said like it's the animation style and someone else went no No, no, it's the comedy and so I think it was the actions like I think it's the interaction a lot of the I feel like dude I think it's the writing that's what pushed last wish as far as it went I know that the animation still counts for a lot. It's just that I can't I can't assume something That writing must have done a decent job for a lot of people's investment in that movie Had to have I don't know. It's more than it just looking pretty. There's plenty of pretty looking movies that no one talks about Last wish yes, puss in boots to the last wish that is what I'm referring to A phenomenal movie. You should see it One of the best of 2022 The fact that avatar was nominated for best picture over that Bullshit is what that is if you want to know about it. We did a forge on it Go check that out. Yes. Yeah, if you want to know about it here for like two hours I think it's actually the most watched forge to date Oh, which is pretty cool because it's a good movie which makes me very happy.  I just I was just like what the What are the odds of that bad? Doesn't doesn't collapse. I thought it collapsed. No, it's just a hole there Oh, that's even funny. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah Um, I because john didn't know that was there.  Here we go Just put it on his list on multiple concussions today. I was about to say distances like that don't hurt john at all So it's fine. Anyway, they get into a big old fist fight and this by the way, john recognizes exactly who this is He is trying to kill you clearly the bounty actually reached, you know the point and it's like, all right Yep, so they're fighting john wick.  What's going on? Is it literally just because he's a dog? It might be The dog would have bitten john if mini boss wasn't here. What would john have done then? He would have been like, ah, I got off my balls. He likes dogs. What about the dogs that are biting his balls? Does he like those ones?  I thought it was actually a little bit cringe.   Yeah, that's it The thing is this awkward line the film tries to tread that um, mr. Nobody is like a secondary Lead of the film to some extent like he's had pov scenes And that we kind of like him even though everything in his scenes is to do with killing john wick Like he was set to be a good guy Well before he even you know Pretended to be a bad guy, but then you actually look at what happened and john should have killed him by now several times over So it's just kind of annoying because like he's only really really separates this guy from just a random mook I don't know. Uh, nothing really it's just the film Like the plot forces john not to kill him And defend his dog had the opportunity to have him be like, oh, yeah, you know like we talked about earlier I need the money for the operation.  That's what I want. I want to join me and my dog to run around in dog And oh do we have like more dogs like no, what about like just this one Couldn't we have had a payoff of I don't know.  Nobody and then to take the dog Oh, yeah, or mr. Nobody. Yeah, is it a thing where mr. Nobody?  Nobody guy and he has the backpack with the armor on it And like this is what annoys me About the movies it gets to get away with this stuff because nobody's thinking about any of that They're just thinking about it's a dog.  Oh, he saved the dog Oh, because because the first because he was all about a dog Oh, that's so good You're like why it's pretty poggers because it's a dog pretty doggers You know dogs being used for like cute fact it was like a mean people hate it as well like people love to point it out Because the dog in this like I said it's if anything What was it people said that that was what it wasn't ragnarok.  I don't understand. Why would john spare the dog? Why would he spare mr. Nobody? They're both trying to kill him for money Yep, I guess the dog isn't really trying to kill him for money I mean not like in an actual motive, but that's the function of the dog The dog's like, yeah, I love her. I love her big mansion. Yeah Yeah, just nobody's like I wanted to live in a nice small cottage, but the dog wants the mansion So I gotta do it They they did the thing where they they like what size house do you want mansion?  So I need to get out of here So there's only one obvious solution to that problem. It's only one thing I could do um Everyone in chat will be mentioning aim for the bushes and we'll explain that in a second so He's on the third floor And in is it I can't remember the difference is it Europe versus America where it goes ground one two three while you guys do one two three, right? Yeah, we started the first floor is the the ground floor. That's the first floor Wait, I thought that was us that did that. Is that you? Yeah, we do that Wait, who are the ones that's because there's confusion for I Want because I remember there's like a there was an argument that was being had between two people of different place European is ground America is oh, yeah, America don't have a ground floor. That's what I thought it was Yeah, it's just always the first floor. That's can you just say the opposite of that? No guys in chat help us out did rags say the exact opposite of that No, I I just told you what we do here You have the the the ground floor is the first floor first floor then second and third than fourth There is no ground floor Yeah, the ground floor is the first floor. There is no ground floor I'm just using it because I'm talking to you brit bongers right So yeah, if you wanted to The what you needed to do was say on your money So you walk in the first floor you go if you're in america you walk into a building on the first floor Yeah, you should have said the bottom floor is first floor not the ground floor is the first floor because that's confusing as The first time I explained it perfectly fine No, you did not because you used ground floor you couldn't you you have to keep that out of the vernacular You would have you know for a fact you could interpret that both ways, you know On the ground literally on in america the ground floor is the first floor that could go both ways And I've elaborated multiple times that you walk into the first no we had to elaborate for you because we were confused No, I just I followed it up and said that specifically Next time listen say the bottom floor is the first floor No, because you could have basements You can't say that ground floor is first floor when the conversation is about whether or not the floor that is on the ground Ground floor there's also the inflection of how I said ground floor And then it was immediately followed up by saying you enter the building in the first floor Next time rex be more clear. Okay. That was very confusing.  Oh my god, you enter the first floor assuming that they took it. They raped the ground level So anyway, he jumps from the british third floor and the american fourth floor Wait, so I can't have a ground floor then that's racist. Well, I don't know Ours, right? Well, so is it is it actually so it's european and australian is america the only one in australia In australia the floor that is located like on the earth that is the ground floor Yeah, so you go ground one two three four america go one two three four five. Yeah Yes, but we do not but oh, oh, here's another thing. Do you guys have a 13th floor? If there's 13 floors 14 floors, I guess We skip. I don't think we do the skip thingy We do here in america. Yeah. What do you what do you mean? So technically when you get up to the 13th floor It's you it's skip. It goes from 12 to 14. There is no why or it's just uh, it's just like a It's like a superstition that kind of became tradition You don't have a 13th floor of a building because it's considered unlucky. Is that he was 14 is it like fun stories of buildings that did it and then they got like they were attacked by goblins They all exploded Why do you think there's no 13 floor buildings? They all died Well, I know the 13 is an the unlucky number. I figured that'd be a better reason than that. That's all There there might be I I think that it's um It it's I think it's just one of those things that became tradition because of the superstition of the unlucky 13 number A 13th floor It's such a commonplace little superstition That it just the buildings just don't now have a Don't they don't have a 13th floor. So when like when you go in the elevators and see all the buttons 11 12 14 15 um Like even the hotel that I worked at it was a four star hotel about 13th floor it followed that thing you just don't You know, is there a horror movie called the 13th floor at that point?  There's a specific phobia for the fear of the tino phobia No, trisca deco phobia That's way too many That's pretty close Now of course now I'm I I highly doubt that people actually care But it's just one of those little traditions that have kind of you know kept around Which I it's nice. It's it just it's just it's just cultural flavor That is So, yeah, hopefully that gives an idea of the distance john falls and he slams into a van And yeah, I don't even hit the ground I was about to say like when you if you fell directly onto the van there's a I assume that would be better than falling onto the concrete directly But he has like the worst of both worlds He slams into the side and it like bends and hits his back and then he slams straight into the concrete Yeah, it seems like that is actually the worst way to hit it because you're getting two impacts instead of one And and again pretty bad I really would like to speak to the I guess writer or director or both of them at this point Be like, what do you want people to take from that?  I'll be like Anything else that it's kind of funny or Is this supposed to be funny Yes, it's kind of it's kind of crazy when he jump when he jumps out of that building Seemingly with no concern whatsoever as to what's down below Yeah, so that's getting over the fact that it's insane plot arbor that he's definitely dead John, what were you thinking? Yeah, he didn't know what was out there. He just river like okay. Yeah, that's fine, you know But just think of the resources they have right now. There's guns everywhere Mr. Nobody is now probably on his team because of him sparing the dog and sparing him The mini-boss has fallen down the staircase and it's like yes, but men are on the way It's like okay. So fight them like you have the past 100,000 men all time. Yeah, these ones are different Just kill they just shoot them in the face. No instead.  They're just like bullets are flying everywhere. Nothing. It doesn't matter They're not getting hit But then they just have this moment where they're like Oh, shit They had ziplines and they've cut them like the the people they chased them onto a roof They've gone all the way down How do we get to them and then they both just look around just go Just aim for the bushes and they just jump off a building And then the camera pans in such a way that you can see there are no bushes anywhere There goes my hero They just slap into the ground Yeah, the fact that they just say aim for the bushes do a fist bump and smile as they jump off It's literally it's just right. It's one of the it's one.  It's like I thought it was the third floor. I'll be fine Yeah, exactly And this is after having been hit by several cars Um, how many ribs does he have left that are not broken zero zero ribs? Maybe maybe negative ribs at this point like He's destroyed Probably talk about bones in general and not just the ribs all jelly in there and uh, yeah Just hit ruptured organs any ruptured organs probably. Oh everything. He's dead So anyway, uh He's back up and going running because of course that wouldn't really that wouldn't even give a man pause I don't think it would just but but he takes a few seconds So Didn't want to in in John Wick one when he got thrown off of like the second Uh, he fell one floor and he was pretty doomed from it. He was out. Yeah He was out like that fight basically so He's a John Wick universe rules. All right. John Wick one established that John Wick is a normal person He got he gets hurt when he falls from a height now. It's all changed True a good fight that one too yep, the mini boss guy and um The You might be able to deal with the insane jumps if he was actually like crippled for a time and to be fair at the end of John Wick 3 we're supposed to believe all he's been doing now is recovering with hobo king So that's something but then this one's just like he's fine Like oh This is the throw by the way. I've found it. Yep. Whoa That's the distance It's insane. How how like job with what is a different film? It really is Desperate of that point. It's good stuff. Anyway, uh Next up is the staircase And like there's not much to really go over here.  You're ambushing What is going on?  He finally gets to the top And he's like put his gun away and for some reason believes that there's not gonna be anyone else But then he like somehow It's one of those things where it's only until they're on screen that he actually sees them Like if anyone's seen this film, you'll know what I mean He's walking up the stairs and you know from how everyone is that he would see them But he doesn't see them until the camera turns to see them itself And it's just like fuck's sake. I hate when they do that and I can't imagine filming that way Because everyone just be like it's fine. Don't worry about it. It'll look great awkward really awkward In any case they get the jump on him because of that like somehow and he is kicked And uh, he is then thrown again halfway through but the point Mainly is that he falls down What like how do you even summarize the length of this? um It's uh, I think it was it's uh overall 30 seconds long So the first time he starts falling and rolling down He just rolls down down down and there's like breaks in between those staircases So he rolls down the stairs and then you should stop but no John just rolls through because there's no other way that happens And he rolls down down to the next one down down down then he gets to like the halfway Three quarter point I think and he stops and he's like, oh finally But the marquee guy is right behind him. So he kicks him again No, he froze him actually he froze him into a lamp post And he just fell down the rest of it, which takes another 10 seconds or so Like I think my whole cinema was laughing at that play at that thing Well the thing you mentioned a matter that he just keeps rolling It looks like he deliberately makes himself roll at one part.  Well, they're also usually wearing some form of padding as well, right? Right, whereas in this case it's meant to be a regular guy getting thrown Like, you know, don't forget the spine slam into the lamp post which by the way that spine man It's got to be made of vibranium at this point His spine is wearing a suit Looking suave And yeah, uh, he's meets kane at the bottom of the stairs who's like come on man. We got to go to the duel And this is where it's getting really weird because like they make a big mistake here Oh, do you mean how much they tell me that's a good point yet time we apparently have also that's now Clancy brown has already said.  That would be fun. Are we probably Fair still I guess. Oh, I don't know But yeah, it's What I wanted to say was that clancy browns basically said times up But then john right seems to think like oh, we're fucked and then they have kane say Well, they have john wicks say there's between two and three minutes, right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, they cap out three minutes easily Yeah, they do In in movie time is what we're saying There's a clock on screen that they put in slow motion. They're like trust me. All of this is going real fast We're just moving really fast. Yeah, that's how good they are Um, and yeah, this is the scene where they gave up with kane.  There's not even literally half of the world If if john had said like 10 21 it would still be kind of like I don't know man. That's a real tough shot to make. It's it's he's blind. Okay, like They are moving targets Well, yeah, yeah, you gotta get him in the head because they're wearing the uh, there's the suit So you're right. Yeah, so I am in a specific part of their head. There's a couple of axes to take care of There's not just the yeah, it doesn't work, but they didn't care at this point. They're near the end.   Isn't it? You know, yeah, it is. I love them.   All right. Let's do the duel and wrap this up. I was gonna say it's kind of like a Please end I'm about ready to be done Um, this can go pretty quickly because there's a lot of walking slowly, you know, so yeah, that's not too bad Um, yeah, everything goes as expected in terms of you're not allowed to wear your armor You get one shot and then you have to move toward each other 10 paces and then shoot again depending until one of you's well Is it one of you's dead or what have you still on the floor? Uh, I think it's meant to be dead Yeah, I think this is important one of them I think that uh What's his name? Squidward said, um until one remains So, yeah, I think he said something like that Okay, I'm pretty sure he means I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, well I guess we'll talk about that now. So first shot. They both graze each other, but they're bleeding second shot. John gets, uh Pain in the kind of in the gut looks like and he gets John in the shoulder But now it looks like John's gonna win and even, uh Winston says just kill him and get it over with And then the third shot and so this is awkward. I'm assuming it might actually be the same for all of us Um, I know it was for me and it definitely was for rags Uh, it's very obvious to me that they say fire and John doesn't shoot but kane does And so John's hitting the gut now He's on the floor and so a lot of How do I put this? There are two viewers at this point one who's like why didn't John shoot? What's gonna happen now and the other viewer who's like wow John missed rip Mm-hmm, and that creates two very different scenes for those two audience members because I was just confused. I didn't know why he wasn't shooting and I was I was like, what happens now And all the other characters seem to believe that John has shot as well so It's over because John's on the floor now It's like a difficult mistake to make I feel like if you were actually present You would even hear very clearly that it was one shot not two Yeah, like your your senses would point you all to one direction and it would be exactly it wouldn't be anything to do with John Feels really hard to fake that and I didn't realize it was supposed to be a surprise I thought that we knew it from watching it. I was like, yeah, John didn't like he got him before he could fire Is the best I could interpret Which is weird, but then of course you could just add in that John doesn't want to kill him um Anyway, the marquee is like I wish to execute John now that he has lost the duel And it's like, oh wait Is he dead? Is he lost? Is he still alive? How does it what are the rules here? Like what? I don't know. I guess he can't just do that. It definitely comes across as yeah, I guess that's just something he could do You're like, okay Fine, I guess and so he prepares the gun And he makes donnie yet is like my daughter is now free from the high table, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, he goes to shoot at John and this is the part that's really awkward He clearly aims right at his head He could fire he could fire the seconds passing he could still fire.  He hasn't even fired his shot yet And he's like wait a minute And then he looks back at jod a jod gets up raises the pistol. What does he say?  Yeah, he's just consequences. Yeah, I don't shake the man in the head. Oh when I say get up I mean he goes from looking almost prone to being sat up I didn't mean he stood up Good thing that the marquee guy didn't shoot him like he could have shot him the whole time Yeah, even when he sits up and says consequences. He might well have been startled enough to just Absolutely.  Yeah, and uh, and uh, uh, uh, kane, right? Because the So this is the big flaw They made it very clear that we've got to stick to the rules that apparently your second has to be buried with you Mm-hmm kane is the marquee's second Yep, so kane has to die now, but I think the film already forgot that like immediately Do you think they they they cover that by him going like oh, but we're cool now, right? I'm done or something That's not even close. Yeah, I lost the duel The only way that the deal can work is if he won the duel and if he won the duel, they lost the duel Yeah, exactly don't have it both ways It's kind of funny too that um clancy brown basically says Like so he says your obligation to the table is satisfied john wick. You are free Sorry, I just did the marquee state that as a condition for his side as well Well, it has to be why would the marquee be nervous if he wasn't going to die if donny n got killed He was nervous That's why he sent all of the people after him because he knew that if he lost he was dead They've got to be in it together I think the confusion here might be the like john doesn't have Like like a nomination, but winston is his second Who is the marquee's second? It's like well, it's his nomination. That's the only second that exists Yeah, who else could it be and you even have the marquee giving him the ammo in the same way winston is like it's It's the exact same thing but mirrored like I don't know how else you could interpret that Why would there be a rule for your second going after john to minimize the risk? Yeah, the risk of death for the marquee guy if uh, if cane loses What else could it be? Yeah, I don't see how there could be any other explanation Where's the nomination the nomination a second? I mean Why why would he be nervous then if the nomination dies then what is it like?  What does that even mean? What is the second? What is that? What is that role? Well, yeah, why why was winston john's second wise winston a second? What does that mean and you know you don't have an answer? Don't worry, I wouldn't expect you to try and come up with something because the film did it doesn't know what the fuck's going on But uh, yeah, uh, kane is clearly very did not mean dead. Are you meming? Barry doesn't mean death. Are you meming? You're meming, right? You gotta put a kappa when you say things like that So anyway, glancy brown says Your obligation to the table is satisfied john wick.  Manager All of your terms will be fulfilled. Our business is now concluded It is the most like everything is over now. All the threads are tied up. Thanks for playing by Like yeah, it is like oh, okay Joe It's all made up in a way that didn't exist as an option for john wick until this film Yeah, we've done this from the start. We've highlighted before But why didn't he challenge blood debt man to a duel? Why didn't he use the continental in osaka in two and three?  Why weren't the markers told about in the first movie?  They both have like a chat john and kane and it's like You've both been shot three times You see a doctor Yeah, I don't even yeah, whatever it doesn't matter. Um, and john says winston Will you take me home and winston looks concerned? He says of course and then we watch john slump over on the steps Because he's dead Dead and they show us his grave. He's a grave. He's a graves now. He's in dirt. He's definitely dead And he's on the ground. He's beneath the ground floor And so ends the wonderful journey as many people have said this incredible book ends to to a wonderful franchise And i'm just like anybody who says that please tell me the plot of john wick two and three. I beg you I I often forget portions of it and I think they're terrible. So like You know, what are the people who like it remember? Other than the actions And so yeah, I would have more of a familiarity and investment in and all of it Dead laugh.  John wick is dead They obviously agreed to fake his death so he can live in peace the film was talking about how this man has to Exist by killing people that's his only purpose.  They're doing a television show about the continental and winston And there's no way. There's no way that this is the end. They make more and more and more money each time Yeah They're gonna make another one. Maybe not soon, but Eventually, maybe in like five years. I wouldn't be surprised if we see john wick chapter five. Yeah uh Yeah, they said they'd take a break for now, but yeah, I understand why they'd want to do that But they're gonna they're gonna make more there will be more and john wick will become like a franchise that spins off and they make a Other things the funny part of it is that and they want you to believe that all the threads are tied up But they're not you wanted to take revenge against the high table. We haven't even fucking seen the high table secondly, we've got obviously Kane he's got someone's got a death wish on him being koji's daughter I don't know if they ever want to show us what happens with that like what's hallie barry's character up to what happened with the adjudicator like what This world's just like there's just stuff everywhere all over the floor It's like you gotta you gotta pick any of that up or they're like I was still kind of operating as though it was like a story in the sense of The kinds of goals that you would typically have when writing a story and coming into this one I just I had no clue what it was gonna look like in terms of like a finale I didn't think it was gonna be a finale I figured they were gonna that that it was gonna be like setting up more sequels because how do you wrap everything up in One film at this point John Wick five John. I thought you were dead. I was John Wick five part one. I got no, I don't think it even said I could just say, yeah Yeah I got better They probably would make that joke and then they'd be like, aren't we fun? No go away So that's John Wick four Pretty bad Yeah, I don't think it's as bad as two or three I'll agree with that. I think Yeah The thing about um, what I will say is that the John Wick four can never have that those two have is They did more of like the first forms of breaking the the series apart This one's done a lot of the same things, but it just it doesn't seem to be breaking out as much Yeah, yeah They just add shit on top without really having to because we don't even see the coins in this movie No, you saw you saw one one one. That's right. This the Mr. Nobody put one on the table. Oh, okay Coins Well, okay, we got one coin. I'll give him the coin. But yeah, it's just Hey, we have the John has really good friends with the Continental's like, oh, man He should have asked him for hell ages ago That's not yeah And uh, you know for those who are curious, this is pretty much our assessment of two and three. This is how it would look It's the same thing. Yeah, pretty much like this. Here's why he should be dead. Here's why the rules don't make sense Here's what rules they forgot.  It's like you can categorize it pretty easily We'll building just contradicting itself as soon as it goes on characters doing things They shouldn't be doing out of their own interests and plot armor plot armor everywhere Oh, yes, and you might think like well, what about the other stuff and you're like, what other stuff? Come on What else is there talking strictly about the writing of course because there's plenty in style in these movies And I understand exactly what people enjoy them.  I got it right wickening part one Chapter four return to the right and ebmon. Ebmon has donnie yen in it. That's a really that's really Yeah, watch that movie. That movie's great. Actually, that's what happened After I watched john wick four and started Making notes and stuff. I was like, I should probably go get the rate and the ebmon collection on blu rays So I have them and now I do Because they're good And yeah, I guess it's like a matter of until the next john wick I guess we'll probably end up checking it out because it's such an interesting Little event that happens where yes, it's the same as every single one of them Everyone's very happy to see them.  It seems that you know, I give it a little bit of time and nobody could tell you anything very specific about them Um, dude, if you said a lot Like name the bad guy from two, they wouldn't be able to name the bad. Yeah If you said name the bad guy from three, they'd be like, don't know. It's like it was a girl But that's fine. Name the bad guy from four. They'll be like Okay, that was a french guy Really awkward because everybody knows who hans like is from diehard everybody knows who he is You know, people don't forget him. I mean people don't forget like the t1000 I guess that much sauron.  You just don't Yeah, that's that's very much what it is. It's I it's one of the best action films Tell me something about it I think it's kind of insulting to say this is one of the best action movies ever. It's like, dude Action movies will be so much better than this well, so something because uh fury road was described as like one of the best action films when it came out I think like fury road well, so I feel like fury roads got more working for it than like These films do like Um, I need to rewatch fury road.  Well, of course rush hour and that's like a big fun movie Well, yeah Exciting Uh, wow, you know, I didn't even look at I was I was tell myself I won't look at the time until we add just so I don't feel it It's like six six hours to get through job work for that's a lot longer than I thought it would take Well, even that's a three hour long film. I guess it's not that bad, right? I thought that we were going to skip through it a lot quicker I guess because of the There's nothing in it. But then again, you know, that's kind of the thing, isn't it? Why Why do people not remember much of anything in these films?  But yeah, there we go um Well, uh, hey Metal, what are you up to these fine days? Uh, currently just playing Resident Evil on stream I know that feel Yeah, uh, I mean, I'm I'm still doing that video I talked about but that's kind of just been replaced with just getting ready for re4 Talking about that getting very familiar with that game. Uh, I basically have a finished strip script around I just need to Go back and watch it again Watch it it redrafted and my brain is uh offline But yeah, that's that's gonna that's definitely gonna happen in the near future. Hopefully So just resident evil, uh, flim flams, which prompts the question when is the resident evil for efap? That will be an entire week from now and uh By the time that comes out will when's a little mermaid coming out Uh, uh, so that's the ages away when's guardians again Guardians is the beginning of may Little mermaid's end of may interesting. I guess may you'll have some things Obviously Mario movies out this week. Yes, and uh, Not sure if we're covering that will depend when you do see it and see what I think as for Um after aria. I'm trying to think if there's anything that's guaranteed. It'll be probably figuring different things out, but um Yeah, uh more work is being done and for anybody who doesn't know we've got Mandalorian Gotham knights and the last of us is all finished now. So you can go see that whole series if you want to we Reviewed it thoroughly as we will with mando Of which there are already five episodes out and nothing has really happened, but that's okay Because i'm sure it's leading to something real cool by the time we hit up But yeah, you can catch all them on the moola channel Uh As for us, is there anything else you uh, you guys wanted to say fringy, right? Me no not a thing I'm just i'm tired Well, uh, I think my brain is like Your brain is I I did a Sound but it didn't it didn't come through. Oh, okay I was gonna say, uh, we've actually fully caught up through many different smaller sessions Where we have some free time on super chats. They're just releasing one by one And uh, we'll absolutely get these done as soon as we have the next selection of time to use for it Um, and then between now and next week is just getting familiar with re4 We'll bring on a bunch of people and we're gonna talk about that game Extensively, I imagine that's gonna be quite the long fap There's a lot to say I'd be my guess and that'll be a more fun conversation because like god damn this is pretty exhausting Like talking about john wick This feels like what was was just like I am now happy to not talk about job wick No, I don't want to talk about it. It's frustrating to talk about it Especially when trying to pass through the whole life. Well, yeah, but like why are you even trying to like analyze it? I don't know that's really lame Like yeah, well, it's a good smoke screen though for the film, right? Like oh, yeah People are almost encouraged to not talk about it.   I want to give them credit as filmmakers And it's just another slots right in I wouldn't say it's um better enough than two and three to be like separated from it In a tl s I'd say it fits in with them. No No, not really. Um, it's it's I don't I don't think it's as bad as those ones But like they're all inferior to the first film Yeah, I would say it goes one and then two three four right now Uh, is that your actual like order of them? Oh, no, I'm saying that you'd view them that way Like one is an island and then two three four like trilogy of this crazy new vision of john wick It's almost the point where oh wow I treat I treat like uh john wick one as its own thing I was going to say it walks off of this new dog and that's the actual ending and it may as well be like Decanonized like it's Like two three four.    It's still I still love it. I love the action scene. I love I really like that film Yeah I really I think I've talked about it before that like there's some films that I can I can't like pretend don't exist like canonically And there are some things that I can like for instance I think halo five actually destroyed my investment in like the main line halo storyline from that point on Like I just don't care anymore, but meanwhile there are other things. I actually killed my investment game of thrones Seekers didn't kill my interest in ot though No, that's what I was gonna say for some reason I look at the sequels and I more or less can just sort of Move them out of my mind whenever I think about like the ot I can sort of just watch those films as their own thing And I can like look at them happy sitting there with the ewoks smiling and it's like, yeah, you know And then that was the end of that I can do that and I can kind of do that with john wick Um like I can watch the first john wick and treat it as its own thing Um divorce from this insane bizarro world. So that's nice that I'm still there Um, I'm not even sure why this is the case. It seems to be a subconscious thing But uh, yeah, we've still got john wick one Yep, so we got one good one I just hope that in terms of lessons that will learn from john wick because when these films are this successful Lessons are invariably learned. I hope whatever those lessons are arrived from the first film Not these ones That's what that's what I want To recognize that you can make An action film like john wick and be successful and create something that's like valuable Um all on its own Well, yeah, all righty everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Thank you for the keeping this company in for And the kind donations and we will like I said, we'll definitely get to reading them out But for now, we're gonna say good night and probably several of us are going to sleep straight away But hey, it's been fun. Have yourselves a good resty as saturday slash beginning of sunday I don't know everybody Um, and we'll see you in the next efap related thing. Whatever it may be.