I'm Dave Vellante, and I'm with Wikibon.org, one of its co-founders, and this is theCUBE, SiliconANGLE.tv's continuous coverage of Oracle Open World. We're live here at the Moscone Center. This is the third year we've been at Oracle Open World, as John Furrier, my co-host, mentioned. We kind of have to go gorilla at Oracle Open World. And we're here at the Q-Logic booth. Q-Logic has been great. When we first approached Q-Logic a couple years ago with the idea, they said, hey, why not? Let's try it. And it's really been a great success, so Q-Logic has become a major sponsor of theCUBE at Oracle Open World, and so we're here inside the booth, and this is a segment we just heard from Lee Doyle, IDCs, formerly IDCs, number one networking analyst. We're going to focus now on the intersection of networking and storage and networking and flash. And I'm here with Cameron Brett and Ryan Klein with Q-Logic. Cameron's the director of solutions marketing at Q-Logic, and Ryan is the senior director at Q-Logic. Q-Logic, if you don't know Q-Logic, they're a leader in fiber channel and ethernet adapters, a real innovator in that space, and gentlemen, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having us. Thank you, and let's get right into it. Oracle Open World, like I said, this is our third year here. Q-Logic and Oracle have had a decade plus long relationship, and your job is really to improve IO. Absolutely. Why don't you talk about your presence here at Oracle Open World, what's new with you guys? Well, we've had many, many years here at Oracle Open World, and it's a great show. We've had a long relationship with Oracle at the application level, trying to solve problems, accelerating the data from the network into the servers. Yeah, you know, you're one of the hardware guys, they're not taking pot shots at, so that's a good thing, I think. Yeah, definitely. But we're inside the box, we just work. So, we've been a partner for Oracle for many, many years, and providing store-jerry network connectivity has been the focus, and a lot of new exciting technologies are coming on as well. It's been an amazing transformation of Oracle. I mean, obviously you work with the company, you know, prior to the Sun Acquisition, but the Sun Acquisition really even further solidified the importance, I would think, of Q-Logic to the Oracle community. What do you make of the transformation of Oracle? I mean, it's quite shocking. I personally never would have predicted that Oracle would have gone this hard after the software business. I mean, playing armchair quarterback now, hindsight is 20-20, it starts to come together and make sense. But did you guys see this coming, and what's your take on all that? Well, I see it as a good fit in a way, because with the database and the applications being very much more vertically integrated, it makes sense that tailor the hardware to the application. So in this instance, it does make sense. John Furrier talked about it as the iPhone of the enterprise, the integration of the hardware and software. You're seeing that come to fruition, it's sort of changing the way that companies compete with Oracle, and certainly you're an arms dealer, you sell all these guys, so you know all the inside baseball. But one of the big trends that we've been hearing for the last several years, and it started really four or five years ago with guys like Fusion I.O. and then all these other Flash players coming out, is that Flash trend? And it's so important to Oracle customers because it really drives performance, which can drive bottom line revenue for this customer base. So what are you guys seeing in Flash, and then we'll get into what you're talking about here at the event. Well, I mean generally there's been a trend that customers are trying to get their data closer to the CPU to make decisions. Run analytics on that data, be able to be more effective with the data. It's been interesting to see Flash and SSD come to market over the last few years, but it's been doing it in a very rudimentary sense. So most of the implementations that have been out there are implementing Flash inside of the server to meet those I.O. needs, but they're doing it in a DAS type of environment. Yeah, so DAS being direct attached storage, so not a SAN, which has obviously been the last 15 years of innovation here, but the observation I'd make, and I wonder if you guys can comment, is for the last 15 years you've seen function move out away from the host, further and further away into the SAN, and the SAN has become that point of control that obviously had impacts on your business. And the reasons were good, you had to persist the data, it had to go somewhere, that ware was spinning disk. So that's cool, you could keep it there for a long, long time and protect it and make sure it's reliable and recoverable. Problem is it's slow, it spins. Now you have the consumer device trend driving Flash prices down, now Flash starts to swing back closer to the server. Okay, so explain to our audience why, from a performance standpoint, that's a good thing and what some of the drawbacks of or challenges of that are.  Well, Flash has been trying to find its place in the storage network, in the servers, in the storage as well as the network. Sounds like it's found all those places, doesn't it? It has, but one of the things that we've seen is that in a larger enterprise, in the storage area network, the Flash is not necessarily optimal in any single one of those places. Each one has its pluses and minuses and when we came up with the concept of Mount Runeer, we figured it kind of takes the best of a few different worlds. So describe what Mount Runeer is. Mount Runeer is a technology that marries QLogix HBA technology, which could be fiber channel, 10 gig ethernet, CNA, combining it with caching intelligence and management of SSD connectivity in a single solution. Okay, so essentially you're bringing the best of JAS and SAN together to a Flash architecture? We're taking that capability, plugging it into one of our HBAs, it goes inside of a server. And so this is what we're referring to as server-based caching. And so that enables the ability to cache SAN data. Yeah, in other words, you bring SSD caching, server-side caching to storage area networks. So what is the OSC? The OS sees everything that it's seen before. So Mount Runeer to the operating system looks like the standard adapter, right? So if you look at some of the enterprise hurdles that large customers have had to get over with the existing Flash implementations, is they were very use case specific. They required additional management. And fundamentally that caching was captive to the server. So at the end of the day, they provide a lot of value, but didn't fit in the enterprise model. So if you look at Q-Logic, essentially we're bringing SSDs to SAN or bringing caching to the enterprise. So it's an asset utilization play. So it's great, you get the DAS-based cards that are the Flash cards that are in the server. It's fantastic, really fast, but you can't really share them, right? Across the portfolio of infrastructure. You can't deploy the common architectures that you're used to in the enterprise. So if we look at uptime and reliability and multipathing and all the resiliency needed in the enterprise, a lot of the current implementations on the market don't allow that. So how do customers address that? Do they just say, damn the torpedoes, the performance is so good, I'll go.  Some gymnastics definitely incur, but a lot of times the application's specific. So things where they can accelerate I.O. in a single use case scenario, but don't have to have the reliability. So what that does, it presents a challenge in the enterprise of not being able to take advantage of shared networking and shared caching and getting to a situation where you're only able to deploy server-based cache in very specific situations. You're saying the use cases have been very selective. They limit the use cases. Can you give some examples as to where they're narrow and how Mount Rainier will expand them? So we've been doing a lot of work with our end users. So a lot of what we do to develop products is sit down with our customers and understand what they're doing. And what we started to see is a lot of specific use case implementation of server-side cache. And what we kept hearing is I can't vMotion. I can't deploy VMware clusters. I can't run Microsoft cluster. I can't install Oracle Rack. So all the enterprise applications that require multi-node communications were a limitation. And if you look at Qlogic Heritage, we were able to then build storage area network into what their requirements were. A lot of database environments use clustering, right? I mean, so talk about that a little bit and why that's important to Oracle customers. Fundamentally, it's uptime. Well, one of the benefits in a cluster environment of Mount Rainier is that it does have what you referred to before as a shared cache. If you have multiple servers with Mount Rainier's in them, every cache knows what's on the other cache is attached to Mount Rainier cards. So you have a very scalable transparent and this cache itself is OS independent. And so it becomes a very large shared cache for all the lungs. So it sounds like software is a key innovation here. Can you talk about the software content of Mount Rainier? So software is key, but also the other key is transparency, right? We want to be non-disruptive to the application layer and the network layer. So administrators know how to deploy standard connectivity and fiber channel today. So how do you achieve that transparency? So we provide the same driver architecture and same management infrastructure that they use today. And we manage that cache pool and those clusters independently so that they don't have to know they're there. So when you say you manage that, that is a software layer that- It's done in the drivers and the firmware of the product itself. Yeah, okay, so it's- Behind the scenes. It's software. Yeah. Part of the- It's code. Fast code. Micro code. Part of the value though is in its simplicity. And since it is a single driver, it appears to the host as it always has. People see it as a fiber channel HBA or a 10 gig HBA. And all the caching and all the management happens underneath. And today, is it FC only or- Initially it's going to be eight gigabit fiber channel. And then beyond that, you'll see options for a 10 gig, a 16 gig. The technology and the architecture itself lends it to be a protocol neutral. So what types of flash and SSD drives are associated with it? And what the protocol is on the front end is largely independent of the technology itself.  Fiber channel is very hard to do. You've got a very hard fiber channel stack. But increasingly, the marketing and the messaging in the community is, it's not about the protocol. It's about the capabilities and the value that we're bringing. So what are you seeing in the marketplace in terms of the adoption of your various technologies? And is that sort of protocol agnostic attitude really permeating the customer base or do you still see, hey, we're fiber channel bigots or hey, I want Ethernet and that's it? Can you talk about that a little bit? Sure, so our customers do have opinions about the different technologies. You know, our view is that we build a core set of products that are based on very storage protocols or networking protocols. And we try to do it in a way that allows the customers to deploy one or all, manage the same, which is much commonality as they can. Fundamentally what'll occur in the marketplace is the technologies will find their way based on use case. You know, there's lots of discussions around where iSCSI fits versus FCOE, where fiber channel fits and what the roadmaps look like. And our fundamental goal is to enable all those technologies and let the customers make the ultimate decisions. Okay, and so I mean, you guys have obviously promoted the convergence trend, you know, for a number of years now that's happened. It's kind of happened independent of FCOE, but I wonder if you could give us an FCOE update. What's happening there? So we're seeing a lot of customers adopt fiber channel over Ethernet. Fundamentally, Ethernet's a very strong platform and leveraging the fiber channel stack that we have to sit on top of it is doing really well. I would tell you a lot of customers are still on proof of concept deployment phase and just starting to decide how it fits in their environments. I mean, we've always thought it's inevitable. It's going to take a long time, but it's inevitable just because it's going to cut your cable bulk in half and it's going to have your connection costs. But at the same time, there's a lot of resistance from customers that don't like change. Especially the fiber channel customers, right? Why is that? Well, storage inherently is very difficult. And there's a reason why there's very few key customers, whether it's in the fiber channel HBA space or SCSI, SAS, RAID, because it is very difficult. There's lots of corner cases. And I think that's one of the reasons why QLogic has been successful is just that it's a very difficult business to be in. Excellent. All right, we just got the sign, we're out of time. But stop by the QLogic booth, check out, you got a demo going on Mount Rainier. What's the, how's the feedback been so far? Feedback's been wonderful. Yeah, what kind of questions are you getting? So the folks that walk up want to know how it's going to make their life different, how it's going to help them. And fundamentally, we're showing significant performance improvements and a new way to architect a data center. And your shipping. So these units will ship early next year. Excellent. All right, gentlemen, thanks very much for coming on theCUBE. We really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and sharing your booth and hope you have you back at the next event. Thank you, appreciate it. All right, keep it right there. We'll be right back with our next guest. This is SiliconAngle.tv's theCUBE, live from Oracle Open World in Moscone in San Francisco. We're right back.


We will see how to do that, double your subscribers in this follow-up video, a five-step process that you can easily use to do exactly this. So, mark your number of subscribers right now and follow these steps. So, the person who succeeded in this was so excited that he spent 17 hours non-stop replying to people and reading their comments. That's because he didn't just double his subscribers. He tripled his subscribers and in fact now it's quadrupled his subscribers. So, what exactly did he do? Well, here it is. So, I'm going to hide myself and the link to this Google Doc will be in the video description beneath this video. So, how do you double your subscribers? Well, here's the link to the video which started this whole process, this whole movement. So, step one is about introducing yourself to a large audience. We have 110,000 members on our community forums which are right here, www.community.tm and when you introduce yourself, copy and paste your comment from the video above if you made one. Now, here's a good example. Alexander Obitz shared his YouTube story in the top comment right here and he wrote a book. But it was a very good read. I read all of it. Thank you for sharing, Alexander. He had a very difficult childhood. I can't imagine anyone going through more than he had to and you're welcome to read his story if you're curious. But Alexander, if you haven't already, please introduce yourself on the Freedom Community forums. Let's look at one of the introduction posts from Kensta FPS. Hello, my name is Kaya and I've been known as Kensta for over 16 years. 27-year-old dad with two boys and he found freedom from Slender's YouTube page as a great creator. That's a great introduction and look, he has people responding to him. Nice to meet you. Welcome to the community. Hi, Kaya. Welcome to the Freedom Family. So this will get you new subscribers. More people who will find your content and subscribe to your channel if they like it. Now, this was just posted a few moments ago. Another one was posted eight minutes ago. Another one was posted 12 minutes ago. So you get the idea. There's a lot of activity on these forums. And the reason there's so many is because we literally have 113,000 members growing at over 100 a day. So do that. That's your step one. So step two, make a video introducing your channel to new subscribers. Answer the question, why should I subscribe to your channel? So let's see what Alexander Obitz created on his channel. So let's go to his channel and let's listen to his introduction video, this thing here. So it is an artistic introduction video. It doesn't answer the question clearly, why should I subscribe to your channel? But it does set a mood. And if that's what you were going for, Alexander, well done. But I would encourage everyone to have a video that answers the question, why should I subscribe so that if I'm a new visitor, I know exactly why I should subscribe or not subscribe based on that initial video. And be honest, tell us what is exciting about your content and what to expect if you subscribe. Step three, feature other YouTubers and cross promote. Find a buddy. This is your task. You can find a buddy on the community forums. You can find a buddy in the comments beneath this video. Just find a buddy and agree to make a video about each other on your channel. Do a video for video. This can be an interview, a channel review or just a, hey, here's something cool video talking about your buddy. This will help you get more subscribers because you will cross promote between your two audiences. So the subscribers from one channel will discover the other. Step four, which I've already said in the past, start each video with its best 10 seconds. Hook your audience. Do not start with your intro. Do not start by saying, hi guys, how are you doing this fine day? Start each video with the most exciting 10 seconds because if you don't, people will simply skip ahead to a random part of your video, which is probably not so exciting. And then they'll run away because they will be bored. So if you put the most exciting 10 seconds at the beginning, you can hook your viewers right away. Step five, spice up your videos with music from position music or epidemic sound or audio micro. Any of the libraries that we provide for you, I mentioned position music specifically in this video because there's a shiny freedom button that you can click right away if you're a freedom partner to sign in and get downloading the music right away. Why would you want this music? Well, because it's used in movies like X-Men, Avengers and The Hobbit. It's used in video games like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed and even TV shows like America's Got Talent and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Seriously, see all the placements. Just click this link and it'll take you back to the position music websites placements page and you can see for yourself everywhere where position music is used. So if it's good enough for this slow loading page, my internet is actually pretty slow at this point. If it's good enough for all of these movies and TV shows and video games, you get the idea. Then it's good enough for you.  It's free for the freedom family. We have a deal where we pay position music from our portion of the revenue share, which means you lose nothing if you use position music. Whether you use a position music track or don't, you make exactly the same amount of money. So why don't you use a position music track? Because you'll get more viewers. People enjoy good music. And step six, spend 17 hours nonstop replying to people and reading their comments. Actually that does help, but kidding. The one person who did this was the person who started all of this. And that was, if we can find him, at the beginning of this video, you already saw it. It was all games must die. He spent 17 hours replying to people's comments. That was part of the reason why he grew so quickly. So where is the dashboard, the special new feature that we just launched? It's right here. So if you sign into your shiny freedom dashboard and click this brand new link, your YouTube story, simply copy and paste what you've already written in this video here and click save. What will that benefit, how will that benefit you? Well, on the same page, we will randomly choose one of your existing stories that you've pasted here for everyone else to read. So you'll get exposure. You will get people to learn your story. And if they like it, they'll go check you out. So how can we improve this? We just launched this right now, literally 20 minutes ago. And I was waiting for this to go live before I made this video. So what can we add to make it more useful?  Should we let you upvote the stories you like at a like button?  Tell me all those suggestions down there in the comments below and we will improve this page based on your feedback. That's the spirit of freedom. We help each other grow together as a family. And that includes us helping you by building cool tools to help you grow. So remember how I started this video? Mark your subscribers. Then follow these steps. Then in a few days, check your subscriber count again. Has it doubled or has it grown? Tell us in the comments below how you did by following these steps and whether you have additional tips or advice. Tell us those in the comments as well so we can all benefit from your tips. And the original video, which is again is linked right at the top of that Google Doc. It now has over 500 likes, 12,000 views after only two days. Almost 2,000 comments guys, 2,000 comments. That's amazing. And the comments keep coming in. Like this one has 31 replies. This one has not many, not many, not many, but 65 replies. Holy cow. Amazing guys. This is the freedom family at its best. Everybody helping each other grow. And now we've given you some real steps and tips as well as a place in the dashboard for you to share your story, which will be shared with others. I hope this helps. Who am I? I am George, CEO and founder of Freedom. And you've been watching. And we will grow together as a family because this is the freedom family. You are part of it. We are all part of it. And we're all growing together. So grow with us and partner with Freedom. That play now button right there on the video bar is all you need to click to get started.


here at the noon block on a given Thursday. We're talking about history. History is here to help. I'd like to add, you know, in the context of what's going on in Congress this week, history can only help if you want it to help. If you want to reject it and ignore it, it can't help very much, but that's not us. Here we have Peter Hoffenberg, history in UH, and Jane Rosenfeld, UCLA, a career at UCLA, and we're going to talk about some of her writings recently and her thinking and the title of our show is Religion and Terrorism, A Strange Connection. You know, it seems less strange all the time, Gene. Welcome to the show, Peter and Gene. Thank you very much. Good to see you. Thank you for having us.  Who she really is. All right. Well, she's the beloved grandmother. No, okay. We won't do that. We won't do the Yiddish line. No, I think for the audience and for ourselves, Gene is a scholar of many things, but I asked her to join us today because of particularly her interest in thinking about issues such as nationalism, terrorism, and fascism, which have been tossed around all the time. She brings to bear a very detailed, scholarly approach to those as religions. I hope I'm not misrepresenting your work, Gene, but as a historian of religion, that historian of political ideologies, a protege of David Rappaport, one of the most important scholars on terrorism. I would very much like to hear Gene's understanding of religion in and of itself, so how we use that term, and how that term can be applicable to help us understand this immense mischievous, which is just overwhelming so much of the world. She's published a book, published articles, she's a very active member of our Jewish community. So I hope that does you justice, Gene. I mean, can't really do you justice, but at least gives folks a sense. Well, we are very interested in what you have to say about the topic of religion and terrorism, that's the style of our show, but also on the article you wrote, which I saw called fascism as action through time, or how it can happen here, concluding it can, yes, it can happen here, which you wrote in 2017, three years ago. That's a very, very interesting article context of what's going on. So I guess when I think of religion and terrorism, I think that religion is somehow incorporated internally and externally in Trumpism. Is that a part of your thinking on this? Well, I work with a group of wonderful interdisciplinary scholars and have for many years who study these unusual, new, and sometimes very short lived religions that fascism is not short lived. And our definition of religion is quite different from what you hear in the public square. Our definition of religion is whatever people consider their ultimate concern, that's from theologian paul tillic. And what it means is what people are determined to live by and die for. Okay, how would you differentiate that say from a an ideology or philosophy, because those terms could also be applied to fascism? Oftentimes what we consider religious is spoken of as ideology. If you're kind of aware of listening to news programs, how much the news media avoids the word religion? And so do the civil authorities, because there are laws regarding religion that protect people who act out of religious motivation. And they would prefer not to have those laws apply in many cases when there are court cases involved. So we see America as largely identified as a Christian country. And Christianity is a faith. It deals with belief. It deals with prayer. It deals with God. But those, that's a very limited view of religion. So we like to expand it into the realm of ideology. And there isn't a fine line between the two. And there's not a fine line between political ideology and religion either. Because just to give you one example, Mussolini is regarded as the person who introduced fascism to the world. That's not really true. It was existed before, but nobody had really identified it as such. Ten years after he gained power, he wrote a manifesto with his Minister of Education Giovanni Gentile. And he said, you know, when I started out, I really didn't have a vision or an ideology. He said, but this is what fascism is. And he defined it as a religion as spiritual primarily, as moral and spiritual. And it was a dogma that he produced. So he sees it in religious terms. And he was the progenitor, so to speak. How close is that to Nazism? It's quite close. Nazism is a German form of fascism. Each society has its own form of fascism. We have ours, too. It emerged after the Civil War. And that was in the Ku Klux Klan. And then it reemerged in the national Ku Klux Klan around 1920. And it was disseminated outside of the South throughout the entire country. And these militia groups and other groups we see today that we regard as domestic terrorists now, there are many of them that owe a great deal to that Ku Klux Klan because even after it fell apart, it continued in the different states. So the ideology or religion of the Ku Klux Klan has persisted and it has now emerged again. Well, it sounds like the current ideology of the insurrectionists, if you will, is that Trump is a religious icon. They take their instructions from him. They believe he's right no matter what he says. And they will follow him anywhere. Is that a religion? Can you classify that as an ideology or religion? Can you classify it as fascism? Not in itself, no, Jay. But I do classify it as charismatic leadership. And that's very important. I used to like the word charismatic. Yeah. You know, charismatic means grace in the Bible. It's a lovely word. But charismatic leadership, the idea was developed by Max Weber. And it's been very, very productive as a theory. And what it does is that at the center of fascism is the figure of the leader. That's pretty definitive of fascism, to have a charismatic leader. He's a showman. He's an actor. He's a performer. And he demands complete loyalty. He has to be a bit of a magician. He has to convince his followers that he can work magic, that all his promises will be fulfilled. And specifically, when you look at Trump, that he's always a winner.  And the people, the idea of the people is appropriated by the leader. He is the representative. He is the embodiment. He's not the representative. Our traditional leaders are representatives of us. But a charismatic, fascist leader is the embodiment of the people. So what he does, and all power accrues to him, he does for the people. Therefore, loyalty to him is disloyalty to him is sedition. And he is kind of a deity. Yes. He has a kind of deity. I mean, I think it's existed long before we ever thought about fascism. I mean, this is a flaw in the humanity, isn't it? Well, definitely when you see a charismatic leader who is as negative as Trump or Hitler or Mussolini or Putin, you want to think of it as a flaw in humanity. But think of Buddha. Think of Jesus. Think of Muhammad. We owe a lot to charismatic leadership. What it does, what it means, it's in contra distinction to the usual traditional and bureaucratic leaderships that we are used to. The pathway to the presidency is a bureaucratic pathway. And typically, fascist leaders will take that legal bureaucratic pathway as Hitler did for six years and as Mussolini did. And then they will achieve it with basically not a majority, but for other reasons. They will achieve it legally. And then they will suddenly reveal as this type of leadership, which is opposed or in contra distinction to the values and the institutions of the country they now are in charge of. So you're saying that this pathway, and I recall, I think it was Paxton that you wrote about in that article, had half a dozen steps along the way from where you go through various changes in the community. And then you get to be a despot at the end. And it gets to be fascism. But it sounds like you could identify a number of societies in history that have followed the same pathway. This is nothing new. These rules have existed for a long time, am I right? Partly. There's nothing new under the sun. Human beings engage in patterned group behavior. And it's replicated throughout history, but it's never identical. You have to be able to recognize it. People employ different symbols and symbolic expressions and ideas of sacrality and deity. But the pattern is the same. And what Paxton has done, Robert Paxton, who's a very recognized scholar of fascism, is he has devised five stages. They're extremely general. And I tried to make them much more specific to America today, which is what you have to do. In order to identify a phenomenon, you have to know the basic fundamental pattern which Paxton has identified. And then in order to elaborate it and describe it and learn about it, you have to see how that very general framework works in specifics in your own society. And bring that to bear. And I think the latter part of the article I have several points that I brought out, and I aligned them with Paxton's general stages. I told you it reminds me of Ann Applebaum's article comparing what we have today with what was going on in Eastern Europe after the Second World War. And the big question there, at least a part of that article, was how does a normal person deal with this? When one observes that we are on that path, what do we do? Because sometimes we would be able to see that it's not a good path. And what will we do to be able to deal with it? I see Peter shaking his head. He's got some ideas. I know he does. No, I'm listening. So, Gene, did you finish what you wanted to say? This is Gene's show. I guess I would only add, I am in agreement with Gene, most things. A couple of things I would add is when we talk about fascism, I would very much differentiate between fascism with a little app as a religious belief and fascism with a capital app as a state. Because I think one of the phenomenons of successful fascism, and in this case, Trump is only partially successful, is while saying you are anti-modern in fact to infiltrate and use the state. And I think you've seen that in this case with McConnell, probably even as much as not more than with Trump. So I would agree with the sense of a religion, but I would think that a capital app is a church. It has its institutions, its structures, its leadership. I also think that the Applebaum position reveals one of the flaws that we really all have, which is even if we find what's going on despicable, we have to really try to understand how and why these people feel sets a sense of betrayal. One of the critical and really crucial political missteps was Mrs. Clinton calling these people deplorable. That only accentuates their sense of resentment. And I think Applebaum misses the vote. Applebaum doesn't understand that the people she surrounds herself with and has surround herself with have been the victors of neoliberalism after 1945. And a lot of these folks are victims of neoliberalism. And so I'm wary of suggesting like Applebaum that somehow we only need to blame Republican senators who aren't doing anything about it. I think we're perhaps, that's the tip of the iceberg. We're kind of missing essential iceberg. And that's why I'm a little wary about throwing around the term fascism. I mean, I think I see a lot of populism here. I agree entirely with Gene's point about charismatic leadership. Charismatic leadership can be Martin Luther King Jr. So it's a matter of, and populism can be Martin Luther King Jr. So to me, these divisions have been in this country ever since Hamilton and Jefferson. They are part of our DNA. Gene, let me go back to the question of what is what is the right thinking person? Not necessarily a history professor or a philosopher or a scholar. A right thinking person do when that person finds that there is a fascism, however you define it as a negative community experience is growing in his or her midst. What does that person do? Well, I consider myself a pretty ordinary person. And the first thing I did when I suspected it is I went to someone who knows more than I did, my mentor. And I said, do you know anything about fascism that I can study? And then I began to study. And then I began to link it to what I was already doing, which was following, I guess you would call them insurrectionist underground groups in the 1990s that brought us Oklahoma City. And I think that as I went along and I saw more of this, I linked it up to the nativist idea of nativist and apocalyptic and millennial movements that I had sort of specialized in. I began to see the relationships. And then I thought, when I saw Trump coming up, rising up, I thought, wow, this looks like Triumph of the Will, that movie that Lenny Reef and Stall made about Hitler's party rally. And before he came to power, and you see Trump coming down the Golden Staircase, he's coming down from heaven. You see him coming out of his airplane.  And that was back in the 1930s when airplanes weren't that usual. But they deliberately, their showmen, their performers, they deliberately do this to appeal to the emotion. It's an appeal to the emotions. And to rally support that is more committed than ordinary support. So what does the ordinary person do? First, go to someone who you think can explain it to you. Timothy Snyder wrote his book on tyranny in order to inform us, basically. And then see what you can understand about it and continue to try to understand it. But most importantly, to teach it, I actually did develop a course in which I introduced it. And I had college students come to me afterwards and say, gee, nobody's ever told us about this before. Because after World War II, people wanted to forget. It was so traumatic. They wanted to forget. We should never forget. Some people are forgetting what happened on January 6, and that was three weeks ago. But I'm interested in what you think happened on January 6. In terms of the confluence of all of these threats we've been talking about here, what was really going on, as opposed to, say, a year or two or three earlier? What happened in this country as was revealed conceptually on January 6? It was revealed. It came on the radar big time. It's been brewing since the 1970s. And that would take a very long time to explain. Nevertheless, what happened on January 6 is you saw a lot of people doing what's called an enactment. You know about the enactors of history. We have enactors in small towns throughout the United States. First, you notice these people were in costume. Secondly, they were very, very manifest with their symbols and their flags and their t-shirts. And they were enacting mythology. Their mythology, which we refer to as conspiracy theories, is the key to understanding your mindset and understanding them, not as deplorables or as domestic terrorists or as brainwashed cultists, but rather truly understanding them as human beings that we can relate to, because we have our mythologies too. We all have our mythologies, but they were in opposition. Again, they're following a leader who's in opposition to our institutions, in opposition to our traditions, and specifically has focused on dividing us. And radical dualism, division into good and evil, is essential. It's apocalyptic to motivating people to come and, quote, save the country. They want to save America. So in their minds, they were saving America. What kind of America? The kind of America that David Lane, in the 1990s, proposed in his 14 words, which are now adopted by the alt-right. And that is, we must secure the existence for our people, the existence of our people, and a future for white children. So who are our people in the predicate? You have white children, the white people, and their history. That's the only America they know. Generally white Christians. White Christians. Yeah, that reminds me of something played on the Super Bowl by Bruce Springsteen, or Jeep, the automobile manufacturer. The difficulty though, I think, like a difficulty in a modern democracy, is everything that Gene has absolutely pinpointed about the people we don't like. We could make the same analysis of the left or progressives as a religion as well. So to me, what we have is a moral problem. Because the sense of who is one of the most American terrorists? John Brown. Now the way that she described John Brown, you could describe the abolitionist movement, including Brown as a Trumpist figure. He was willing to sacrifice himself, right? The irony of people like Trump is they're not really willing in the end to sacrifice themselves. And that's where the Jesus metaphor falls through. But what interests me is absolutely what you described. A religion, a sense of race, a sense of mythology, a sense of enactment, which is often Calvary in one way or another, right? I'm willing to sacrifice myself, all the Christianity. But what do we do if those characteristics are actually on our side as well? After all, people died in John Brown's procedure of Harper's Ferry.  So what do we do? I mean, the notion of commercializing politics, t-shirts, names on mugs, propaganda goes at least back to the abolitionist movement. You could say the abolitionist movement was the first western movement to do what you described, including making freed slaves, charismatic leaders. So what do we do when the moral divide is so great? The structures are very similar. I mean, we have our all, Jay and I talked, I agree with the 1970s. And one of the recent I believe in the 1970s is we're still fighting the Vietnam War. And the folks who seized the capital, where people thought generally we should have won that war, where we were sold out. So I don't know, how do we have a moral revolution in which what you described is the most powerful mythology and the most powerful enactment. Let me throw another idea in here. You talk about the Vietnam War. Trump had a bone spur. He doesn't know anything about the Vietnam War. He went to the University of Pennsylvania. I think he got in because his father had a twist there. I don't think he did well. He's very reluctant to release his grade point average or his grades. I don't think he's well educated. We know he doesn't read much, doesn't like to take notes. And yet at this project, he seems to be pretty good at this project being the showman and the and consolidating power and affecting the minds and hearts of hundreds of millions of well, many tens of millions of people. He's pretty good. Now we're talking about some pretty conceptual things, historical things, philosophical things. Do you think that Trump follows this? What enables him to do the remarkable things that he has done? He's done remarkable things. What has enabled him to bring half the country under his banner and make them go, you know, ransacked the capital? That's quite an achievement. If you look at from their point of view, what is he smart? What is it? What kind of talent does he have that he could do this? Is there a parallel between him and Mussolini and Hitler and Putin? What makes Trump so successful? I'm going to go first, Gene, and then I'll go. Well, that's a very good question. And I guess we would say that if you have a high IQ, you are academically able to negotiate a university education. But that is about a sliver of human intelligence. And there are very gifted people who fall outside of that sliver, including these unusual charismatic personalities.  He was dyslexic. He wasn't educated. He was from the lower class. But he certainly exercised charismatic leadership. So there are always individuals born and raised under certain circumstances. And if you want to know more about Trump, read Mary Trump's book that developed this personality. And we see them in history. Hitler was not well educated. And Mussolini wasn't particularly well educated. So let's set that aside. Set that aside. That's kind of an Ivy League perspective. We don't need that. Okay. So let me answer your question. Do you want to weigh in on that? Yeah, I would definitely like to weigh in on that. And again, like with Gene, complementary to hers, you asked, how was he able to succeed basically? Okay. So I think we have to, as an Ivy League academic, I apologize, we got to get back to what you mean by success. Let's let's remember that he lost two consecutive popular votes. All right, let's please let's always remember that Mrs. Clinton and Biden both overwhelmingly, as far as those ballots that were counted, and I would wager my Mickey Mantle mint baseball card that there were many for Biden and Mrs. Clinton that were not counted rather than vice versa. The corruption mostly seems to be on the other side, not the Democratic side. So what is success? Well, success is not his intelligence, but his political manager's intelligence to know which states he can get the electoral college based primarily upon grievance. This is how I believe very much in Hofstadter's view of the kind of grievance that drives American politics. Now grievance can also drive progressivism, right? I find slavery abhorrent. Okay. But in this case, it's a grievance which is a minority grievance.  Most Americans agree with abortion of some sort. Americans overwhelmingly agree with gun control, 70%. So success is not his brilliance, but really his political manager's brilliance to see how the political system can be manipulated. You don't need an Ivy League education. What you do need though are people who understand politics. What's interesting is like the people of Fox News understood politics until January 6th. Now, the second point I'd like to make, and I know I'm beating the dead horse, but I don't really think it's a dead horse, is the question of race. Trump has been a race baiter. I don't know if you guys remember the five innocent young men who were charged with the Central Park murder. Of course they were acquitted, but you might not have seen the press conferences where he promised to pay money to people who found the suspects and immediately said the suspects should be executed. I will wager my Babe Ruth mint card that if it had been reversed, if a Black woman had been attacked and there were five white guys, you would not find Trump. So Trump's brilliance is seeing that Americans, particularly white Americans, just cannot get over this sense that they are being replaced. All of the information that Gene suggests about the 1970s, that's part of what's fueling it. The great replacement theory, which is now over 100 years old. Trump is a race baiter. He's a race baiter. That is, if he's so smart, either by academic training or just native smarts, and if he can do such admirable work in politics, how come he can't do anything in COVID? He has been really essentially useless in COVID. He's never put his hands on it. He is not a manager. He is what probably the founding parents worried about the most. He's a Democratic despot, and they couldn't quite figure out with the Constitution really how to avoid that. In a typical American way, we always have some kind of way to address a problem afterwards, because if we address the problem. If we could show the founding fathers the video in this impeachment trial, they would have been able to find a way. I feel certain they would have found a way to improve the Constitution. All right, well, let's reverse it. But let me ask you. It looked a hell of a lot like the Boston Tea Party, Jay. It looked like the Boston Tea Party. Why is this compartmentalized knowledge so dangerous? Because the priority is wrong. You can take a despot of fascist, if you will, and he will enhance his own power, but he will not operate for the benefit of the community. Is that part of fascism? Well, Trump particularly, in my view, has never been able to do any real work, set a goal and meet it. He does not have the temperament to do that. And you recall the famous dictum that that Roosevelt may have been a second rate intelligence, but he was a first rate temperament. And Trump does not have the temperament to achieve a goal. If you've ever seen him, especially after his hospitalization, he was as hyper as they come. You should be on riddle. But that's just a joke. I don't know it personally, but the fact is that if you look at everything that's been achieved in his administration, he's delegated everything. He will go to Mitch McConnell and he will say, I want a tax bill. He won't touch it himself. He won't go to Congress. He won't do the hard work. Or he says he wants something done with the military. He'll go to one of his generals. He knows who to tap on the shoulder to get the work done. Mary Trump has an interesting scene in her book where she goes. She's helping him. He asked her to do a project for him with him. And she goes in there and he never talks about the project. And she says, all the time I was ever in his office, I've seen him on the telephone talking to people, but I really don't see anything that he does. He doesn't work. I remember that. One last point, you guys, for us to address is the title of the show. The center of our discussion theoretically, religion and terrorism, a strange connection. What do you mean by that, Jean? Let's assume that we take a very broad view of what religion means, but how does that get to terrorism? And are we observing that now? Well, the word strange is important here because what we're looking at really is not religion in general, but the strange aspects of religion. In other words, there's a huge controversy going on in America today between scholars and people who consider themselves cult experts. They're not scholars. They present themselves as scholars, but they're not scholars. And drive scholars to distraction because everything you see, if a new group appears like Jonestown, Omishin Rikyo, Solar Temple, whatever, CSA, the first word you get about these people is they're bizarre. They're strange. That's my meat. That's where I go. To decode what they're about, and there's always a logic to it. It may be a very emotional logic. It may be a very strange logic, but it is presented as a religious imperative. And that's important because one of the most well-known people in the field of the study of religion, Houston Smith, who died a few years ago. He was the guy who did the LSD experiments with Timothy Leary. He said at the latter part of his life that he really believed that religion was the most impactful factor in human history. And this was in his lecture on jihadism. And he may be right because people become so committed to it. So the strange connection between religion and terrorism is when you get into a part of religion that includes the end of the world and what happens after that. You have to destroy the world in order to recreate it because it has declined so badly that it cannot be repaired.  So what lifts them out of despair is a belief when somebody comes along and says, I understand this. This is what's going on. The end of the world is coming soon. We have a role to play as the hand of God, and we are going to rebuild the world, a better world, for our community as we define it. That's what makes it dangerous. Has that ever worked? It has changed. What? Has that ever worked? Well, what do you mean by it works? Again, what Gene described is Lincoln and Sherman marching through the south. The battle of him of the republic. You can't get much more religious or Christian than that. And the argument was that violence was necessary to destroy tyranny. And reconstruction would have been the building of the new world. So did it work? Well, it worked up until a bullet at Forrest Theater. We've got to come back because there's so much in what Gene said, which is so helpful. And the great scholar, she says things that raise really important questions. Yes, it may be millenialism, but what is driving these people is also a sense of martyrdom. And not all religions like Judaism does not believe in martyrdom. So we have a kind of Christ complex going on. And at least as a European historian, I would say this at least goes back to Calvinism, where you had an obligation not to obey, but an obligation to disobey. So I think I hope Gene can come back. There's a lot. There's terrorism as expressions of religion or understood in a religious way. But there are also religions in which the potential for terrorism is built into their religious understanding. That's slightly different. I mean, religions that believe in martyrdom, in which weapons are easily accessible, is a very dangerous. I mean, it's one of the reasons that at least one person is called these folks, the American Taliban. I remember a commander. The religion you're referring to in America specifically, and we don't have time to go into it now, but everyone should know about it. It's called Christian identity. Yes. It's a basic heresy. Yes. No, let's let's let's chat about this. And I think that goes back to another fatal flaw of the founding parents, which was not just to allow weapons, but to allow for religion to be a segregated concept, which gets the kind of protection that other behavior does not. And that's a that's a deep existentialist issue. The UN is guilty of that. People study genocide are guilty of that. The founder is a constitutional guilty of that. Right. Why is my religion and my religious institution more important than my body? And why is it better than a Christian woman, but not a woman? And that's going to open up a whole lot. But I find that as the existential crisis, that somehow religion is carved out as a separate sphere that gets separate protection from other human behavior. And it may be, as Gene said, that the professor is correct. Whether or not we like it, the concept of religion has been so reified. It's surrounded in gold. You can't you can't touch it. And so like all societies, we have a real problem with atheism. Most modern societies really cannot understand atheism. All right. So that should open up enough for next week. Let me just ask one more thing.  And you think of these things and study these things and write these things. All the time. All the time. And you're trying to make sense of, you know, you're testing these ideas as against the reality around us. It can't be disconnected. So you have to test these concepts and see what they mean today to you. But it strikes me that the things you've been studying, reading, talking, writing about are now. Okay. We are living in history. Yes. And the history is has the possibility of affecting us more than anything that we've ever seen in our lifetimes before. That must change your perception, Gene. You're you're you're living in the history you're thinking about. And it couldn't have a profound effect on your personal life. Want to talk about it for one minute? Yes, I'm very attracted to the idea of religion and ideology and violence because I was born during World War II. And my father went to the South Pacific. And I remember that time and I remember after that time and how impactful I actually remember listening to Franklin Delano Roosevelt on the radio. And of course, when I was a young person, just at a very vulnerable age, the Vietnam War came along and impacted my generation. I don't think we ever ever resolved that issue. It's still with us today as Peter brought out a lot of the extreme right ideology of Stephen Bannon. The fourth turning revolves around what happened in the 60s and they want to produce something counter distinctive to that. So yes, and I'm very, very impacted by what's going on today. But the need to understand it is paramount. And that's what led me to it, not just that I had prepared in a field history of religions, which is not very well known. And in nativist millennialism that applied to that was applicable to what was going on today and has been very a very productive framework for understanding what's going on around us. Thank you, Gene. Thank you, Peter. You want to respond to that. And do that. I want to thank Gene and ask her to come back. She's very busy. I'd like her to come back. And if we could talk a little bit about the Christian identity and how that might be connected, especially in a global world, you know, Norway and Hungary, there may be certainly the link between Christianity and identity remains very strong in Europe. We could talk about that. And I think it might be if we could get a few other people to talk about this question of the unresolved Vietnam War, not necessarily from a military point of view, but it seems to me there were still dealing with many of those issues. Well, we'll talk about it later. There's a lot. Thank you, Peter. Thank you very much. And Gene Rosenfeld, thank you so much for joining us today. Very interesting discussion, one which we can have again. And I suggest it will be more and more relevant as we go forward. Everybody be safe. Take care. Get your vaccines.


and cut income taxes by almost 25%. And today, we're enjoying one of the longest economic expansions in history. Mortgage and auto loan rates are down. Inflation is plummeted from more than 12% to only 1.8%. And we've created over 11 and 1 half million new jobs. I could tell that it was really working when they stopped calling us Reaganomics. 30% below his feet. This is leave home without it. We don't have a deficit because we're taxed too little. And the leaders of the other party is just as apparent when it comes to judicial appointments. Well, the Massachusetts will be deciding who our judges are. As a judiciary committee, headed by Senator Strong-Burman, has been talking about political differences and all. Reminds me of a story. Find out when you get my age. Everything reminds you of a story. It was a democratic fundraiser in a downtown hotel. And when they came out of the fundraiser, there was a kid with some problems. And it was telling them, buy a Democrat public. Buy a Democrat public. Two weeks later, the Republicans held the fundraiser in the same place. When they came out, the same kid was there. With the public. Buy a Republican public. Buy a Republican public. Kid says now they got their eyes on it. They have the finest weapons and equipment that we can produce to move ahead with our strategic defense against ballistic missiles, SDI, the Soviet Union, from a position of strength. And it was SDI that brought the Soviet Union to the bargaining table. And let me pledge to you, our goal is to keep America strong, to save the West from nuclear, neutral nuclear terror. SDI is America's insurance policy to protect us from accidents or something that men like Edward, who might come about for a Qaddafi, or just in case the Soviets don't eat their side of a bargain. This is great, because the same people who announced only Cruel Out in Afghanistan last month are saying, trust us, an arms control this month. They didn't pull anyone out, just as many there could always work. Phony bookkeeping won't end the war. Remember? They can't bring troops in one month and announce troop withdrawal the next. They can't talk peace and regulate and wage war in Kabul. So I have a message to the Soviets. Pull back in Afghanistan and move forward on arms control. It was us, me with the baton and the band and the break. When we started down the street and the band was playing, and I was pumping the baton, and suddenly that Marshall rode back down the line of parades, see that everything was coming along all right. And pretty soon, I thought the music was beginning to sound faint. And I sneaked a look back. Marshall had caught up with the parade just in time to turn the whole band to the right, down the intersection where they were supposed to go. And I was drawn up the street all by myself. I tell that.


Okay. Okay guys. I Oh, there's another thing dead. What's this? Cups! Oh my god! Giant thing! No! It didn't found out who I was! Run! Run! Run! Okay, there's so many allosaurs, this is great. Because if I die, I lose all my progress. And I don't like that. This is a buffet. Yeah, I was gonna say, 100%. Although I don't see many dead bodies, because I think the majority of people here are just jubies. Like the ones who are adult are like, Yeah, I'm just gonna... I'm just gonna not buy it. Just in case. I just want to experience what this is. Although, I need to collect... I need to collect mushrooms, guys. Where are the mushrooms? All the flowers. I need the flowers. Let me see the flowers. I found the flowers. Well, I can do this. Is it F? Yes, it is F. Oh no, F's pick up. Q's collect. That's it. Hello! I knew that was gonna happen. I knew there was gonna be one dude who's like, Right, I'm watching the stream. Is this one? Get him. Go get him. Oh god. How am I gonna die? Oh no, I think they scared him away. Good, good, good. I've just gotta be vigilant. Oh, there's a megalania here too. My pet peeve!   They always kill me. I don't know why. I just love it. I good at it. I will read it in a second.  The other source just like on me. They're like, we will protect you at all costs. I want to find pop-ups. Where is he? There he is.  Oh, he did.  We're up one bar. That's good, that's good. Wow, this is definitely not what I had in mind when I was like, oh, let's stream Path of Titans. It's just like, I can't do, hey! A spider soul finally made it. Hello, Ed Bois. Hey dude. The thing is right, if I leave the crowd, I get sniped by somebody. So, I, okay. I kinda need to stay in here. Or else I will just instantly get picked off, which is quite interesting. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't think the admins are very happy. They're like, God damn it, they're breaking all of our rules. I'm sorry, I did try. But look at this, I can't help it. There's so many of them. This is absolutely crazy. Like, look at this, man. I'm done. Look at this. This is nuts. I kinda love it though. I kinda love how bonkers this is. Right, we need to head for somewhere, guys. Yeah, I drink the salt water, yes. That would be a terrible idea. Should we go south this way? Hold on, hold on, we need this music. There we go, there we go. Hold on, we need to run to this music. Oh, let's stop by a log. Hold on, here we go, here we go. All the way, there it is. It's brilliant, I love it. Oh my God. I mean, that's all I want to do, right? That's all anybody wants to do who plays these games.  It's beautiful. Maybe I will make it. End of shadow. Hey, James, we've been following you for years. From 15 to 21, I believe and I believe. And, thank you for believing. I love your content.  Oh, thank you. Well, I think we all have that side of us, don't we?  Deep and brooding. Hold on, I need to see, am I thirsty? I'm okay. So, I need to meet up with Grove members at Young Grove and select 40 Amanitya. Well, I'll keep an eye out if I can see those mushrooms but I don't know if I'm going to find any if I'm honest. Look at this. Look at this. When I was a kid, right? And I like dinosaurs. I was the weird one. Now look at all of us. We're all weirdos. Never in my life would I have thought. Now look at us. We're glorious. That's all raw. That's raw. Let's break the headphones of everybody. Yeah! Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm stuck! Jesus! Help! Help! Look at dinosaur sails. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. Oh wait, I thought this was the Isle. I made it out of that. Oh my god. I find like the best thing to do in life is to be lighthearted and take things as, you know, not as serious. That's what 30 years of living on this planet has taught me. Why is everybody holding meat? Are they bringing meat for me in case I get hungry? Or are they just taking snacks? Damn that.  Did I do something? Did I do a mission? Oh I did! I found Green Hills. I found Sonic the Hedgehog. Tiger nuts. Oh for god's sake. Always with the tiger nuts. Finding there's loads of milk cat mushrooms. God, it's like a Harry Potter potion, isn't it? Find the, find the boomslang skin in the milk cat mushroom. Mushrooms. Right, we need, oh! Oh! Is this fresh water? Is this fresh water? I bet it's salt, isn't it?  You're a... I don't get it. Spino is Jack. He's huge. Don't mess with spinos. You'll know. Not in the next video, but I may have already recorded another video. Cause I'm having so much fun playing a Path of Titans at the moment that I've already got two videos ready to go. Although they take forever to edit. Literally. I probably spent too much time. No! Megalania, you're underneath my feet! Wait, that's not as big as a Megalania can get, is it?  Surely not. As Malcolm said, life finds a way. It damn right does! Wait, what happened here? Wait, did another baby just have to bite the dust? Please note that mixpacking is not allowed. Oh god, the admins know about this live stream now. I'm pretty sure everybody here knows that mixpacking is not allowed. They're just doing it because of the stream. I'm wondering, how do people know it's me though? How do they discern me between the crowd? They're the only like, slightly green They all turn round when I turn round. I think because there's large carnivores here every now and again they're like, which one's not beaver? Eat that one. Go to global. Oh god, should I? Oh god. Don't want to go to global? Oh, then I go to global. Bro, it's half the server with beaver. I have no idea what you're talking about. Wait, which one is it? Is it this one? No. No, it's not that one. I mean, no. Yeah. Okay, we'll give it that one. Yay, we can drink! Look at this game, it's gorgeous. We just have to stay in one position and then it won't look like Swiss cheese. It'll look good quality, right? I don't know. You guys, I love you. Like I said, I could never have imagined I remember being in school and I was the weird one for liking dinosaurs and stuff. Oh god, can we not drink anymore? Yeah, I remember being the weird one. Or like, you know, it was weird. And then I just kind of like didn't, you know, talk about dinosaurs because I was like, oh god. That would be the weird one. But it wasn't until YouTube that I was like, hold on a minute. Are there people like dinosaurs? Oh my god! Let's cross the stream guys! Let's swim! Islander, check discord. Oh god, oh god. The owner of this server's gone contact with me. Okay, I might be naughty. I just wanted to play a little bit. This won't be forever. Hold on. So, McSpugger's not allowed, but we can turn your stream into an event to make it more official. You're more than welcome to stream on our server and I truly appreciate it, however. Oh, that's nice of him. Hey, we're not getting told off. Woo, or kind of. Maybe, just a little bit.  I want to take from the corpse. Yes! I have my own meat chunk. Yay! Okay, I guess there's an event now. We've made an official gaming Beaver event. On an unofficial gaming Beaver server. Oh my god, there's so many things. Ew! You've got lots of virtual bodyguards. I have way too many. Actually, never enough. One of them is holding a grub, actually. Can we see the grub? Bring for the grub bearer. Somebody has a grub. There he is. He's got a bleeding head. Look at him. He has a grub. Look at him. Look at him and his grub. Big old boys. So big. Grub. Right, okay, we are two and a half bars through adolescent. There's a giant Argentinosaurus. Guys, we must see. Megalania, why'd you bite me? Damn it, I know it was you. You got Venom.  Look at him. Oh god, oh god. I'd say stay out of his way. He's hitting things. Oh god. Oh no. This is the police, I think. Wait, am I bleeding? Oh no, it's Venom. It's draining my stamp.  He looks like the only one who's trying to play by the rules. Oh yeah, he's like tail slapping and everything. Whoopsie daisies.  That's what we'll do. Oi! Don't nibble at me. You're nibbling. Oh god, what is this? For the remaining of Game and Beaver's stream it will be an event. I'm assuming that's what that says. I can see my name in there. You see, I've always said this especially about the aisle. It's like you guys want me to live stream the aisle but you don't really. You like my videos but this is live streaming turns into... It's fun though. It's just a different experience. That's all. Beaver died, IRL, rest in peace. Did I? Raptor plays again with the suit. You guys, man. I always got picked on in school for liking dinosaurs but then I saw your channel and you always are helping me each time you upload Love You Beaves. Beaver's Sam. I'm assuming that's supposed to say. Oh, you could jump. I forget you could jump. Let me over, man. There's a car now here. Anyone who has a passion for something is kind of easy game for anyone. Kids are mean and if they're not taught right, it's like to fit in, you pick on the kid that's different, right? That's just survival instinct, I think. Kids are a lot harsher than adults because adults are supposed to not do that. You're supposed to have more morals. Or have learned by then? That's not necessarily always true. I've got a single quest. Guys, can you get some quests? Actually, you're not part of my crew so you can't. That Megalane is still trying to do it. It's brilliant. I love it. You can't play on Steam. That's- oh god, try Seratops. Oh god, try Seratops. Hello? He's like, what have we just stumbled upon? Imagine if they don't know about me or anything. I'm like, what is this? They're like, they are breaking rules! Sorry, we'll go past you. I promise we'll be fine. I like this. This is like, this could be a classroom. Everyone could take a rock and sit down. The try Seratops have joined us now. What is going on? This is brilliant. What are we going to learn about today, guys? We're going to learn about friendship. Friendship is magic. No, we're not! Well done, everybody. Well done. You listened to rule and reason. There is order inside chaos. I thought that nobody would do it. Oh, look, a little crocodile. Kill him. No, don't. Don't. Don't kill him.  Wait, okay. A group disbanded? No! Did somebody die? I'm a bit worried now. They come bearing gifts! Can I have a fish? I'd like a fish, please. He gave it to me. Oh my God, I have a fish! Yes! Brilliant. Oh my God. I'm never going to let go of it. It's brilliant. Look at the try Seratops. Okay. Ah! Who hit me there? If you're not careful, I'll run off the cliff. But to be fair, when you die on the server, you only lose 30% of your growth, so you don't lose everything. Which is good. Islander, have a good stream. Try not to break my server. Yeah, so everybody in the chat were on Islander's server on Path of Titans. Everybody try and join it all at once. It'll break no one. Please don't. Stegoso! Hold on. I want to chase the Stegoso. Come here, buddy. He's like, oh no, no, no, no, no. Ow! Seratoso, stop it. Hey, buddy! He must be like, oh no! Don't attack the Stegoso. I just want to run into him. Where should we head for? Hold on. Actually, let's keep heading left. We'll keep heading left. That looks cool. Hold on. We need to do this again. There we go. Keep running, guys. Let's go. It's the best song in the world, this. Hey, look! It's the Giga! Oh, wait. Is that Argentinosaurus alive? Please don't hurt me. Don't hurt me! He's like, what the heck's going on? I wonder if we could all take on the Argentinosaurus. I would like to do that, but I would also like to get the Argentinosaurus's permission because I'm sure that takes absolutely ages and I don't want to be that guy. Let's keep going. Can you keep up with me? Entering Whistling Columns! Everybody wait. Oh, look at this. It's brilliant. Damn Seratosaurus, I knew it! Oh my God, everyone just killed him. I was like, I had a feeling.  I was like, you know what? Everyone's been nice here. Okay, how long will it take people to find me is the question. Who will be the first person to find me? Oh, wow. How did you even do that? What even are you? Indominus Dog God. Well done. How did you do that? That was impressive. I'm literally just spawned. Wow, hello group. Hi, hello there. Hey, another one! Do you want to join? Yeah! Doosh Dog, for God's sake. All right, it's just us three. Three little Allosaurus babies. Wait, what? Another one joined? Is there another? Oh, is that the really big Allo? Okay, so we've got our group. We've got one, two. Well, I say we've got our group. Just wait until everyone else finds out where we are. I wish I kept my group. Do you want to join the group? Oh, because he can just teleport to me, can't he? Where is he? Where is the server admin? Oh, there he is. He's like an adult Allo. Can you grow me back to where I was? Wow, I was a lot... Oh! That's a bit much. What did you make me? What am I now? I'm an adult, aren't I? Sleepies. Aww. There we go. Yes! Everyone off to bed. Okay, hold on. I haven't changed my stats and abilities. So I have a front limb attack. See, this is also what the Isle doesn't have. And that's like different stats and techniques and stuff. Ow! Aye! Aye! Who's biting us? Is it that tiny little thing? Oh, it's the tiny Dialo. Kill him! Not alive! Yeah, that's words. Oh, at least I can't be killed as easy now. Okay, what does my front limb attack look like? Oh, it takes a while. I need coins though. I don't have many coins. I have only 50 coins. Look at all the cool skins I could have. Ooh, that's a good one. I like that skin. Can I rotate? Where was it? That's such a cool skin! Okay, if developers are listening to this live stream, please saturate the market with different skins, please. I mean, there's already quite a few there, but don't keep on adding, because then it makes skins less special. Oh, hey, Turkey. Okay, he's doing universal... I'm friendly thing, which is to teabag. If anyone teabags in a game, as long as it's not over your dead body, they're a friend. I mean, we've been streaming for an hour. I thought this would be a little bit different. I thought it would be more in-kin or in-keeping with my regular Isle content or Pathetitans content, but once I started live streaming, well... I mean, everyone joined in it. You can't really play the game as normal anymore. I like being underwater too. One thing that this place... Oh god, I've run out of stamp. Oops. One thing that this Pathetitans doesn't have over the Isle is like the interactive water. But, I mean, really, it's great in the way it looks anyway. Maybe that's just me, but the water doesn't have to be that interactive. It's cool. But if it's gonna fry PCs or make it harder for other people to run the game, then I'd rather it just look like this. There's other things to work on, right? It looks good though. The water in the eye looks good. Wait, what is... Is that a sea turtle? How did you get that? I've never seen one of those before. Wait, I want to see. I want to see the sea turtle. What is this? How did you get a turtle? Now it is the Isle. Oh my god. Don't run into me, dammit. Oh, it's gone now. Oh, you're holding it. Can I hold the turtle? I want the turtle. Give me turtle. Oh my god. Get the guy who's got the turtle. Give me the turtle, dammit. Give me. Oh god, it's happening. He's running away with it. Nice hustle tons of fun. The two peas up there. You'll never hit me. What are you doing? Oh, those guys are still doing the late read. Wait, I think... Who is it? Where'd he go? Is he dead? Is too damn dark in here. Oh. Did you just spawn in? That Argentinosaurus just appeared out of nowhere. Imagine just spawning in and be like, Oh, there's another soul behind me. Oh, okay. Dammit, where even are we? In this world. Oh, we're all the way up north. Right, okay. See this? These are like sulfur ponds. Hot springs, right? You know what we can do with hot springs? We can drink the water. How does that work? I have no idea, but it does. That's good, that's good, that's good. Another turtle? Is that the same dude? Yeah. Are you going to drop the turtle? You're going to drop the turtle? No way. Did you drop the turtle? What's the matter?  He's running away again. Goddammit. You know what? I don't want the turtle. I don't want it. It's like, yeah, you could be. I've got a turtle. I don't care. Yes, look at us go. We are so huge. Wait, am I almost an adult? Or am I sub-adult? Oh, I'm almost a sub-adult. Oh, cool, cool, cool. Okay, what's the full damage like in this game? Is it bad? Or can we walk over this way? I don't want to risk it. I've got too many flashbacks of the isle. Up to the Hermosol? Nope. Are we okay? Okay, the isles? Oh, right. Right, yeah, that would have been like a broken leg for sure in the isle. It's just a tiny bit. Fallen inch. Oh, he's going to try and attack. He's going to try to dive bomb and attack. Get him. He's on the floor. Get him. Oh, well done. Well done, Dilo. Well done. You tried. Coward! At least it's not as bad as Night in the Isle, for instance. Like it's just, that is pitch black and you cannot see anything. This is okay. I can live with this to an extent. I prefer it was just like always a little bit. You go to sunset and then it would come back up. That would be nice too. Can we do this bit? I think we can probably like run over here, right? Come on then.  I'll bite you. I'll bite you.  I call hacks. All the splishies. But I don't know how we get past this mountain. Unless we can pass through it. Is there a cave? I want to get all the way to... Wait, where are we? Oh, we're in the middle now. Sweet. I want to get to Crater. Okay, let's see if we can get to Crater. So actually if we go left, let's go to Crater.  Oh, you are. Bless you. Jesus, that's a weird noise. Keep running, guys. We'll make it to Crater. Crater's where all the normal players probably are.  It's the most annoying we could be as possible. We just need to get across this bit of water. I think this is a little bridge. Are we close now? We'll focus on player. Yes. Yes. Okay, so we need to go back over and then to the left. Got you. Okay, so we're going to go this way. Crossfailed. Crossfailed. Oh, my God. That guy's got Aeropimers. What a legend. How'd you catch that? How'd you even hold that? I didn't realize that Aeropimers in this game. Dude, that's so cool. He's like, yes, I have cool fish. Nice, huh? All right, all right. First it's turtles, then it's Aeropimers. Showing off all the trophies now. Oh, I shouldn't have said where I was going. Because now everyone's going to be there, aren't they? Okay, everyone head to the, everyone head to the trailer. Come on. Right, I saw that. Dripto, dripto. You dare, son? I'm sorry.  You bit me. Now you must pay the price. I'm even hurting him. Oh, don't run into the Therizinosaurus. I'll do. I'll teach you. Oh no, now he's being laid into. Oh God, almost drowned. Megalania. Or whatever you are. Are you an Allosau? Or a Suarezau? Kill dripto over there. He's the what? Yeah, he's almost dead. Terri Bear. Yay, dripto left.  I'm now a sub adult. Look at me. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, there's Islander. There's one of the server admins. You see that bird up there? Yeah, that's him. He's just sort of watching. We've been expecting you. Whoa, that guy's got a manta ray now? Where is he getting these things from? What? What on earth? So crater is where like apexes go to just like do nothing and just to have fights every now and again. It appears. Wow. Yeah, like off the surface here. There's so many. Hello, little baby. Hello, little baby. There's like a little galamimo. So austere raptor. Gonna get you. Gonna get you. Gonna get you. Kill him.   He like lagged. How did that driptop get up there? What's it doing? Hold on. This is the best mechanic about this game. I can be like a fierce carnival, but I can hold flowers. Can I have the manta ray? Are you got turtles as well? I want the manta ray. Can I have it please? Ask really nice. Wait, it's that little Aliso's got it. You lit. I've got the manta ray. Oh, this is brilliant. Now I can actually play this. There we go. Run with me. Chase the manta ray. Looks like it's flopping its wings. It looks brilliant. Woo-hoo. It's doing like a little dance. All right, all right, all right, all right. Somebody get the manta ray. Go on. Somebody collect it. I mean, go. Go get the manta ray. Who's gonna get it? Who's gonna get the manta ray? Kill the manta ray holder. Kill him now. Get it. Oh yeah, when somebody's tiny and they've got the manta ray, it just looks like a manta ray. It just looks like it's flopping its wings. I think. The curse of the manta ray. The curse. Let's be coordinated now, guys. Okay, we're gonna play a little game. All right. Right, the name of the game is... You've got to kill me. Right.  Right, okay. So, I don't know what prize you win.  Okay, that's the prize. Dialo. Dialo's coming. Dialo's coming. Dialo.  Dude, I might turn around. I might turn around. Okay, Stam's good. Stam's good. Stam's good. What if I just turned around, huh? Oh, God, the aloes. Oh, God, this are the aloes. Oh, no.  You didn't get to kill me.  You all lose. I mean, this stream was a complete success. I mean, maybe we'll do the owl next time. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. I do like Path of Tines. Anyway, guys, thank you so much for tuning in. And until next time, I'll see you cuties later. Bye-bye. And now we're gonna stop this stream, but it might not stop. I don't know. Hey.


Meantime, the Nigerian Guild of Editors, NGE has congratulated all journalists in Nigeria and across the world for keeping faith with the tenets of the profession despite numerous challenges. The Guild urges media owners, the private sector and the government to provide special protection for journalists as most of them are often neglected and exposed by the sundry challenges that not only endanger their ability to discharge their duties but also affect their lives, culminating in some cases to untimely death. In a statement signed by the President Mosna Issa, the Guild aligned with the UN and all the world bodies in calling for the release of all journalists in detention. It says in Nigeria several journalists have suffered harassment, some detained arbitrarily while some were murdered in cold blood by unknown assailants. The World Press Freedom Day was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in December 1993 following the recommendation of UNESCO's General Conference.


When we looked at the Ethernet passive optical networks, we looked at them as a mechanism through which Ethernet was being considered as the first mile or last mile technology. Now there are efforts world over to increase the data rate. In that regard, the next generation network compatible passive optical networks are the next generation passive optical networks. The emphasis here is to increase the data rate both in the upstream as well as the downstream. So we'd look at the background for NG passive optical networks, we'd look at the data rate and the architecture recommendations. First of all, NG pawns over E pawns are meant to increase higher and higher data rates. This is actually attributed to the efforts that have taken place both at the ITU and the IEEE. Both of these organisations have tried to increase the data rate of the latest technology to the predecessor by a certain multiplying factor. As a thumb rule, ITU has been emphasising the latest technology to be at least four times to be its predecessor. In this case, the next generation pawns are supposed to be four times higher data rate as compared to the pre-synchronous digital hierarchy and the synchronous digital hierarchy based optical broadband networks. IEEE however recommends a data rate increase of 10. For instance, we've seen that to happen in Ethernet, 1 base T, 10 base T and 1000 base F. The data rates for the next generation passive optical networks as recommended by the ITU are 10 Gbps and 2.48 Gbps both upstream, both downstream and upstream respectively. Just compare this to the G pawns where the data rate was 2.488 Gbps on the downstream and 1.244 Gbps on the upstream. So we see that they have kept the factor of four, multiplying factor of four intact. Likewise, for the even advanced version of NG pawn known as NG pawn 2, the emphasis is to have data rates of 40 Gbps and there's a variant of it known as the G.989 series. We won't talk much about it, we'll look at it in subsequent detail. Now when we look at the architecture of these NG pawns, the overall speed gain is attained through certainly an increase in the utilization of wavelengths because after all fiber optic communication systems are based on wavelength division multiplexing. So on the downstream, the band of 1.578 micrometers is utilized, likewise on the upstream the 1270 nanometers wavelengths are utilized. So the isolation of these two upstream and downstream wavelengths into distinct non-overlapping bands allows a very high increase in the data rates. The additional feature of the next generation pawns is that these passive optical networks allow backward compatibility not only to G pawns but also to the traditional services such as the E1, T1 and the TDM based services. The distance that can be established between the passive splitter and the aggregator on the OLT side can go up to 60 kilometers.


Here is a mystery that will keep you guessing. Trans-American Airlines have lost three of their very latest high-speed air mail planes under very mysterious circumstances. In each case, the pilot, flying over a very dangerous country reported motor trouble and was forced to save his life with his parachute. Upon locating the wreckage, airline and postal authorities discovered a very valuable shipment of bonds and securities to be missing. The Department of Justice has assigned Miss Irene Delroy, the suburb girl operator, and her assistant Fitzgerald to the case. The mysterious crashes have also attracted the attention of Jimmy Gifford, roving newspaper reporter, an old friend of Miss Delroy. The finger of suspicion seems to point to Andy Andrews, the cracked pilot of Trans-American Airlines, who was piloting each ship. Ernest Powers, general manager of Trans-American, has ordered the westbound passenger ship to land at Salt Flats, an emergency landing field so that Miss Delroy, Fitzgerald and Gifford can investigate the passengers, one of whom they believe to be implicated in the robberies. The special plane bearing the trio is just landing at Salt Flats. He's coming in pretty high, if you ask me. Don't worry about that, Fitz. You'll have enough to worry about when you get on the ground. Can you see the westbound plane down there, Miss Delroy? Yes, but it will be the hangar. I hope this pilot knows the field. It don't look none too good. Stop worrying, Fitz. He's leveling up now. Three points. Clean as a whistle. I'm glad that turned out all right. Don't forget, Sergeant. They say any landing you can walk away from is a good one. You're telling me? Hey, I knew a guy in France once during the war. I'm afraid we won't have time for that, Fitz. No, ma'am. He's a lot to do when we taxi over to that ship. Did you get the descriptions from the radio man back at the airport? You mean the guy who had gassed him and looted the filing cabinet? Yes, Fitz. Sure, I got it. We can't miss him. He's got a scar over his left eye. Dark complexion? A little guy. Who are they? He'll be easy this spot. Do you think the man we're after had a hand in those crashes, I think? I don't know, Jimmy. But I do know we're not going to overlook any evidence. I should say not. You know, that guy had a reason for looting them filing cases, even if he did only take the air company's operation schedule. Did it ever occur to you that he might have taken something else, Fitz? You were power told, is it? Power might not have told all the truth. What are you getting at? I'll explain later. Here we are at the hangar. Yeah, and there's a passenger plane waiting for us over there. See? Open the door, Gifford. Right, Sergeant. Hey, who's this fellow running over this way? It's probably the airport manager. He'll want to call his patch of rough ground in the airport. Mr. Roy. Yeah? I'm Lars, the soft flesh radio operator. We've been holding 610 for you. Good. Any of the passengers objecting? All of them, ma'am. They've been howling their heads off, going to sue the company and everything. They don't realize how serious this matter is. Have you allowed anyone to leave the ship? No, ma'am. Mr. Powers was very emphatic about that. We had a lot of trouble with one of them. He insisted on getting off. Said we had no right to hold him. What does he look like? A little dark shrimp.  He insisted we had no right to hold the ship. Oh, yeah? Oh, we'll see about that. Where is he? Not so fast, Sergeant. How many passengers on the westbound, Lawrence? Eight, ma'am. We're carrying a light payload tonight. Any other dark, infected men aboard? Only three men aboard, ma'am. Five women passengers heading for a convention of women's clubs somewhere. Oh. They're plenty hot. I don't doubt it. What do the other two men look like? They both big men. A fighter, kid something or other, and his manager. Over six feet, I'd say. Probably some fighter in his shoes getting together for a set up somewhere. They won't be your men, Irene. No, ma'am. But that little guy answers to the description. He's the guy we're after, sure as shooken. May we use your radio room for a few minutes, Mr. Lawrence? Sure, ma'am. It's kind of messed up. I live out here by myself most of the time. Oh, it'll be all right, I'm sure. Fitz. Yes, ma'am? You go with this gentleman and get the suspect. Yes, ma'am. Need any help, Sergeant? Or what? Sorry, Sergeant. I must have had someone else in mind. You shouldn't tease Fitz that way, Jimmy. He's really quite capable. Let's walk over to the shack. You think this fellow will turn out to be the guy that stole the trans-American operation schedule? He certainly answers the description. Well, how about the pilot? Andrews. He couldn't have had a hand in the Jimmy. He was with us. That's right. Well, then maybe he is. The only thing I'm hoping right now is that Andrews gets the Eastbound Mail plane through OK. Why? I haven't told anyone but you, Jimmy, that Andrews was carrying $60,000 in his mail shipment tonight. Gee, that's right. Boy, it would be tough to lose that. Oh, I'm just hoping he'll get through all right. It's a terrible risk, Jimmy, but I had to do it. Why? Well, to draw the criminal out into the open. That shipment was made with the greatest secrecy. You and Fitz and I were the only ones beside the bank officials to know about it. You figure if there's an attempt to steal it, it'll give you a more definite line on the criminal. I'd rather see it get through safely, but if it is taken, you can rest assured it'll eliminate a lot of things that are worrying me now. Here's the house. We'll go on in. Not a bad little place to live. But I need to be stuck out here in one of these radio shanks. Rather lonely life, I'd imagine. Just the place for a fellow who's been unlucky and loved to come and forget. You know, I'll be taking one of these jobs unless you break down and agree to marry me. There you go, proposing again, Jimmy. You'll catch me off my guard one of these days. Well, don't waste any time and don't give me none of your facts, though, either. We want to ask you some questions and you're going to answer them. Here he is, Mr. Delroy. So you're the dame that's responsible for me being taken off of that ship. I'll have you know. You won't have us know nothing. One more yappa to you, and I'm going to put this fist on your throat. Nice work, Sergeant. You were detained by Department of Justice orders. What's your name? Pirelli. Joe Pirelli. What do you do, Mr. Pirelli? What's it to you? Want me to pop him, ma'am? Now, that won't be necessary, Sergeant. Mr. Pirelli is an intelligent man. This is serious business, Mr. Pirelli. Unless you answer my questions, I'll have to order your arrest on a charge of grand fest. Well, what do you want to know? What is your business? I work for the Skelly Glass Company. We make beer bottles. What were you doing in the operations office of this airline tonight? What office is it? Listen, Mr. Pirelli, we have the testimony of the radio operator back at Metropolitan Airport that you were seen in the general offices of that company tonight shortly before the ship took off. That's a lie. We won't discuss that. But I'm inclined to believe that it might be the truth that you'd be more willing to answer our questions. I'm answering your questions. I wasn't in no office. What time did you arrive at the airport tonight? 10.30. And the westbound left at 11.10, right, Jimmy? That's right, Irene. Well, what are they? What were you doing between 10.30 and 11.10? Nothing much. Went over to the lunch stand and got a sandwich. And then? Oh, just sat around waiting. That's all. There's nothing wrong in that. Ah, listen, I've stood enough of you. I've got an important call to make in the city tomorrow. I'm not going to miss it, see? You'll miss more than one appointment unless we can get a satisfactory story from you. Where did Pips go? Back to the ship for something. Get him for me, will you, Jimmy? Sure. Oh, here he comes now with a suitcase. Oh, yes. Find anything, Pips? Nothing much. Hey, this suitcase belonged to you, Pirelli. Sure. My name is on the claim check. It's a pretty nice suitcase, isn't it? What do you mean by that? I don't believe I ever saw one just like it. How do you open it, Pirelli? Oh, what business is that of yours? Oh, nothing, especially. I'd just like to see what's inside. That's all. Well, you've no search warrant to give you that authority. We don't need no warrant, see? When we want to open your suitcase, we'll open it. There's nothing in that suitcase that will interest you. Oh, no. Listen, Pirelli, I opened that bag out at the ship. I found out that your name is Morgan and not Pirelli. And what's more, I found these in the lining. What's in those envelopes, Pips? The operation schedules. The operation schedules? Yeah, the same one this guy stole from the trans-American office. Oh, that's a lie. I don't know nothing about them papers. Let me see those papers, Pidge. Yes, ma'am. Here they are, ma'am. Mm-hmm. They're the schedules, all right. What were you doing with these papers, Pirelli? His name's Morgan, ma'am. It's all over his clothing. I found his bank book, too. That makes no difference right now, Sergeant. I want to know what you intended to do with these schedules. I told you I don't know nothing about them. Oh, yeah? Well, how come I find them hidden in the lining of your suitcase? If they were there, I didn't know anything about it. Listen, Morgan, you're in this thing up to your ears. We got a description of you as the guy we're after.  Sergeant, Sergeant, look here. What is it, ma'am? This route map that I found in the schedules. Look. There is a marked in red pencil there, isn't it? Yes, but do you know where that cross is located? No, ma'am. Look. This red cross is right on the route Andrews is flying east of this very moment, right over Devil's Canyon. What's more, look at this notation. There's 655 will be over the canyon at 11 PM. Quick. What time is it, Jimmy? We've got to save Andrews. Get him to turn back before it's too late. It's 11 now, Irene. Get Lawrence to fieldman here quick. We've got to try to reach Andrews by radio. Get him to turn back. Hurry. Yeah, he's just outside. I'll get him. You think that someone knew about the money shipment and Andrews plane tonight? There's no doubt about it. Oh, I do wish it would hurry. Oh, he and Lawrence are coming now. Come on, come on, hurry. Miss Delroy wants you to get Andrews right away. Our next schedule isn't until 11 10, ma'am. We can't wait for schedule. Break in right now. Stop all traffic. It may mean saving his life. Yes, ma'am. I'll see if I can get him right now. All flats calling Andrews in 655. All flats to Andrews in 655. Go ahead. Andrews to salt flat. 655 to salt flat. Go ahead. He may be in time yet. Tell him to turn right back. Tell him to land at the nearest emergency field. Salt flats to Andrews. Miss Delroy says turn back to nearest emergency field. It's urgent. Go ahead. Andrews to salt flat. Everything wasn't fine. Tell Miss Delroy I'm going on through. Go ahead. Tell him he can't do that. Tell him it means his life. Yes, ma'am. Salt flats to Andrews. Miss Delroy says turn back regardless. It's a matter of life and death. Turn back and land. Go ahead. Andrews to salt flat. OK, running back. Tell Miss Delroy. Go on. What's the matter? Salt flats to Andrews. What's wrong, Andy? Go ahead. My motor's just tough. I have plenty of altitude. I've tried to turn it down on the canyon. I think I can make it OK. Salt flats. Salt flats. I can keep. He's gone again. Try to get him back. Go on, hurry. Salt flats to Andrews. What's the matter, Andy? Go ahead. No instruments, Delroy. I was afraid to that fit. Quick, Jimmy. We're leaving for Devil Canyon. Andrews is being forced down. We've got to stay there for shipments.