taking any and all excuses to hit play because she can't be honest Just like oh, no, look chat told me to I got it. Sorry. Oh, I can't it's I can't do that I need my subs and my monies I mean He's he's just milking the exposure. Yeah. Oh, yeah totally. Yeah This person is literally they're They're gonna make a video by me. They're gonna be like and then they pause in the middle of my video And then they went on like a tangent about saying poggers and I should win. I don't care about authors First off with the hard R. Wow, but I don't really care. Um, it's kind of The least of your issues is the use of the term poggers. I promise you young lady We will not hold that against you denims. However, we will hold several things against you Honestly, I give them an f for react content I feel like I feel like he's grading his son's react.  Yeah, like she isn't a react you failed it It's like it doesn't like a zero out of ten. It's not even the thing at that point almost You've just failed at being a react Streamer if you're not even there Actually, he's like Hasan three acts get a d-minus I just don't know if Hasan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively and if it did I don't know how severely I just don't have access to that kind of information How would it impact How would it impact you negatively the views that could have gone to the video Instead of him very simple denims very it's like There is a second aspect to it as well. You might actually get Hasan fans watching you that could be negative Yeah, yeah, you might get a Hasan fan. You know, that's bad. They'll tear you away from the inside Put the cat on the mic shut up I was like I am so sorry for my owner. She's very special.  I am so sorry. Yes Huh If you're on seriously, was I watching someone said yes, you do you can check your metrics So that doesn't tell you what hypothetically could have happened And you can't always correlate anything that happens with your metric So right there's a tab for um multi-verse and it'll show you how jay is doing Oh, nice. That's how that's how it's a really cool feature.  Exactly, of course twit See, here's my point. Here's my point about like how like I think youtube reacts to youtube content Is probably it can be negative, but like if you're already on twit, you're not even on youtube You know what I mean what so you so I'll help you because she is Scrambling this point what she means is twitch viewers and YouTube viewers are separate communities and separate viewer. They're like people who don't have much crossover That's the point. She's going to try and make.  I am someone who frequents twitch and youtube. I know rags You've mainly just you gun for for youtube. I think uh dev. You're both, right?  Like this is insane. It is insane A copacopia of cope a cornucopia of cope No copacopia A copa cabana of cope This videos find weapons grade copium weapons grade Industrial strength weapon of mass cope Like there are occasions where there are videos, but I feel like it's those are videos that are like already really popular Hi info thumb wars It does he think that like Does he think that like those 40 000 people that are watching his son could have been an additional 40 000 viewers for his video Because that's on how that works at all. Does it need to be one to one for that to matter? They literally said I do not know Why is that so contentious to denims? Cheek because as a twitch streamer she could never say I don't know He has to know all the things in the description.  There's no reason to um jay's talking about his son as an example of a streamer who does this Unethical thing.  Oh doesn't even link to his son. What jay has linked to as people who have contributed to the video Also Hasan not giving jay credit.  I think this is genuinely just like a drama farm drama A drama llama I'm not asking you to get angry on tom scars behalf I'm not asking you to get angry on my behalf either. I'm doing fine I am incredibly lucky to be able to work youtube as my job I just don't know if Hasan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively and if it did I don't know how severely I just don't have access to the I feel nothing but bad for jay for putting in all this effort to be a civil calm and chill as possible and it means nothing stepped on it That kind of information stepped on it twisted their foot and threw it in the garbage These were all the caveats that were put in there that really In in a in an ideal farewell, you wouldn't need to put in all these caveats No, they were put in anyway Just in case and yet Yeah, because jay is projecting his goodness and purity onto other people and it is not You know, I can totally picture jay being like ah there it is and I've you know, it's a tight I've accounted for it.  My dad's black. So that means everyone will love me, right? Everybody kills you But what I do know is that if by doing this his hand had taken literally every Future potential viewer from that video and as a result it was literally never watched again ever I would still be doing absolutely fine I'm not trying to tell you some kind of sub story here about just how hard my life is I think this is genuinely just like a drama form It's in a shock.  All right. All right. It's time for me to go. Uh, I'll say my father's white and my dad's black God damn it Oh my god So I do appreciate I'm sorry we didn't get through the whole thing, but I'll make sure to watch back the rest of it later. Oh, yeah, you got to stay up You got to stay up to date on the lore for next week Is the third is the third part coming next week? Yes Whether it's her or Hassan I'm in if you want me then too. You're welcome to come back same facet. Um, also this, uh This stream has made me misogynist. Good night. Oh, no Oh, no, there he goes. We can't defend women while he's here. Uh, he left so I guess there's no point in even trying All right, let's uh, yeah now that he's calm we can finally get through these videos a little faster Finally, yeah jabber jaw over here is gone Making twist of character Hassan offer to financially compensate me for the video of To be fair financially compensate those like two pretty big words back to back So that's what she's having she's confused. Yeah, you well You know what? I'm just gonna have a rolling back just a little bit. Why don't you let you guys Play it until I hit pause. All right. Just enjoy this. Okay, thank me for the video of my Wow, wow. Wow. Oh my copium.  There it is. No shot, dude No shot Hassan. Honestly Hassan should compensate me Hassan If in a shocking twist of character Hassan offered to financially compensate me for the video of mine He free booted. I wouldn't take his money. What is happening? Yo Um, oh, I can't wait to see what happens when she presses play again to be fair This is the best thing she does.  I know he owes me money I know he owes me this is embarrassing. Okay guys. Let's raise up like a couple hundred dollars to give to jay in in response to You know me stealing the content because now 400 people are not going to give him views Mine he free booted. I wouldn't take his money. However. Oh, he said it wouldn't do I'm sorry Okay, okay, okay I apologize. This is streamer brain. This is streamer brain. There we go. Okay I think she did all right there.  I'm Good for you danim's you got a point Everyone will leave and they won't come back and watch the stream I'm sorry. I'm sorry jay. I'm sorry for For meming about your sentence. I apologize. I'm sorry. Okay. Wow. Does that I'm sorry.  You're going to find an opportunity to describe her that way a little later. Don't worry about it You can kind of go crazy. All exposure is good exposure or something.  Go for it.  Yeah, um not even I mean not even yeah jay is pretty chill. It's all by degrees like annoyed. Yeah He believes this is jay at like maximum and I'm maximum Yeah Okay, this might be this might be as angry as jay can actually get I don't know He's uh, he's a he's a level-headed It's But of a gun son. I don't even know what I'm doing And I would be more pissed off if when a reactor free boosted my content They hadn't even taken the tiniest piece of minimal effort to just acknowledge the original creator in any way Completely taking the work that they just used to entertain their audience for granted With no thought given to the fact that it was made by another person who has a hair past a freckle Yes, so this is what she was mimicking looking at the time because she's bored Yeah, yeah, what time it's it's a hair past a freckle, but I think no, I don't know No, that's No And I just have I I don't know. Yeah, maybe I don't know. It's it's a thing. It's fine. It's fine Yes, dehumanizing content creators videos What I'm actually going to roll it back because I I made this video and I don't know how she came to What the hell is happening? Why did she just say that? The original creator in any way completely taking the work that they just used to entertain their audience for granted With no thought given to the fact that it was made by another person. Yeah, so this is what yes Dehumanizing content creators The reality is content creators are not people and they should be treated like garbage. Sorry. This is a meme, right? She's taken what Jay said and cranked it up to the top notch like Jay is Hello, another person was involved in this and then she's like, yes, that's what we're doing We're dehumanizing content creators. Aren't we that's what we do Like she's annoyed that Jay is Moving in that direction, but Jay's right. So what's your counter? Yeah You are certainly devaluing the work that they do by doing this Well, so to take advantage of their labor at no cost yourself and all the benefits yourself is kind of treating them like a You know free labor for you, right? With with how they throw around the word dehumanizing it absolutely fits their super broad almost worthless definition I think so and I I'm not seeing a counter just memes. Oh, you know Okay, this person on the screen. Yeah as an empath when Hassan is hungry. I'm hungry. Yeah Twitch chatter empaths enemies. Uh, we care. That's true Yeah, and that's actually true. Okay Hassan's chair watching an entire small creators video could make their channel successful. What are they talking about? Yeah, I don't know and yet Hey, he would he would could Yeah, it's not. Yeah, it doesn't violate any intrinsic law of reality. You know, I suppose it could happen But it doesn't seem to Hmm. We don't we don't acknowledge those times. We try to we don't talk about those times We are Video title Out of it. So no one even knows who made the video Jay, no, how does Jay know Hassan didn't tell chat what the video was? Well, I'm assuming Jay watched the whole video Genuinely impressed that she did that So the chat is like, how could Jay have known that Hassan didn't definitely share the video? And instead of doing what I would have expected Denim's to do could be like, yeah It shows how low our bar for her is she in food from watching this that Jay likely watched the whole stream that Hassan did And it's like, whoa Nice Oh, I mean, I guess it makes sense her chat would have to be dumber than her to watch her content. So Some of them. I don't know. Maybe they're all she almost banned remember that one. Yeah, Wade He was obviously new He hadn't typed any messages before then he was like, wait, what? Yeah He stumbled upon and just landed here. I hope Wade made it out of there God speeder and that or the whole vaude and that it didn't happen What just say that just make it like a two you could just make a two minute video and say tbh Hassan I was just upset that you didn't really give me credit tbh Don't say that's a valid just that's a valid Jay's point goes well beyond Hassan, but never mind Well, it's a broader topic. Why do people get so stuck in like these interpersonal things when it's really not about that at all It's about spinning it out into a broader conversation. Yeah, this is a thing that people do This is a thing that happens. We just had jinx on the screen Used as an example It's pretty clear the track here Hassan did something that jade Took issue with and it becomes a broader topic, which is people who do this in general But it's always so fixated on these weird interpersonal things I feel like that says more about the person who says that rather than the true nature of the response Discussion I would be upset if someone watched my content or someone re-uploaded my content essentially and didn't give me any credit at all You know what I mean? That I think is valid. I think that's valid You're just going to ask for mods to like post links or whatever and I know people are saying he did or whatever and like What I'm saying is like I think that that's the only valid point so far that he's made only valid Point is that you should only valid point Only the only one is you should credit the person.  How do I never realize that? Oh, do you mean Well, yeah, how when two people say the same thing you say, yeah, he says jinx That's why that's why his name is so jinx Imagine it was performance odd all along and we just didn't appreciate it But he's waited how long it would take to get taken down Made in this entire video. Okay Let me steal his son's content. I steal his son's content all the time.  We could move right along.  Interesting. You say that denims Interesting. You say that the last clip we will see in this arc next week You just have to remember denim said this Okay, a socialist can buy whatever they want so long as it's the fruits of their own labor So long as wealth wasn't achieved by exploiting other people's labor Hang on a second Now we all understand the point j made I'm gonna assume all of fucking chat understood the point j just made Let's see if she does What? This is painful This hurts. I need to message like a video sas that I know would be like This video sas is making you guys look bad Hey, this video sas does not They're not sending their best Are they saying Hasan reacting to videos as exploitation? I don't know Wait, is that what they're saying? There you go. You really didn't know what j point was Isn't that incredible? A lot of people in chat would just what surely they knew but they were just faking it, right? Or like they knew that they had the right answer But because she didn't know they doubted themselves. Well, some of them might literally not have seen what was on screens. They're listening Like isn't this your Don't you talk about these issues like it's your job. How do you not see the parallel there? It's incredible Uh, the she's talked about these issues as for you just said like with several people several debate formats She didn't understand what j was saying. How? How how is that even possible?  That's what you do for a living Do that What? Oh, no, I just realized no You want to know how you want to know how you know, this isn't true Because i'm watching the same content and I don't have 40 000 viewers.  Yeah, I mean what's it being um wow good job He did that this was becoming dangerously close to an interaction that would have benefited both of us instead of just him Even jinx knew to shout out the video. He was reacting to this is a crazy amount of just taking other people's work for granted No, i'm gonna be honest. I do that too.  Why would you say that? Why are you relished being a bad person? It's so weird that there was never a point in efab Where um like chat or a creator complained that we don't let people's ads run or descriptions of their future videos run But we just tend to Yeah, it just happened because we can turn it into content. It's fun. It's interesting There's things to say about it. Everyone's ad is different It's kind of insight into the creator in a way how they actually do it but like Man to just say like, you know what?  This this immoral thing, you know like Oh Okay, I guess we will I I don't get this It used to be that thing and I don't know You'd see it that you know the bad boy like he was I'm gonna do the wrong thing Aren't I great because I'm breaking all the rules and you grew up this like takes it a step further It's almost like like relishing in the fact that you do bad things and just you don't even have to tell anyone You could get away with it But just decide not only am I going to give up the jig on myself so to speak I'm just gonna be happy and laugh about it like oh All right, I do it too. Who who is that? Is that not wonderful? Oh Shouldn't have put the credit first. I'll get this attitude. Yeah, I think when people see the credit They assume the video is over The video is over when it stops you knit with When it quits because there's no more left to play But I saw credits which means film over Well, and also like what what does the word credits even mean?  I don't care. I'm not even I'm just gonna be like yes Name the lie. It could Yeah, it could it could happen.      It's it's just gold every time gets them all got Hasan irrelevant and denims By the way, this is in jay's video jay shows this You know what we said she was a zombie You get that impression Oh I don't understand why why he has these positions Because he doesn't want this shit taken. He's explained to me 17 times.   It's incredible. What do you what is what's it? Just a fever dream the last x amount of minutes you spent reacting to this. Do you remember what happened? You were there. I saw you. No. No. No. She was thinking remember she wasn't listening She was thinking the origin of all this shit, right?  So you'll be fine and he was like Yeah I was like, oh What do you mean? I was just like, yeah, I watched the irrelevant one. I was like that was a disaster It was like someone else reacted to it denims and I was like, oh god. How did that go then?  It's fine to do that if you have permission, but it's not if you don't What's amazing is jay's he has to explain this as if one is instructing a child as to how to behave Yeah, right like well, you can't take something if you don't have permission Permission is when the person says that it's okay for you know, it's like a child I'm not trying to tell you some kind of sub-story here about just how hard my life is if in a shocking twist of character Hasan offered to financially compensate me for the video of mine. He free-booted. I wouldn't take his money However, when this kind of thing is done completely without permission and without knowing enough about the original creator You run the risk of free-boosing work from a creator who is struggling So much of the criticism is so spite driven and it just makes me not want to like take the video seriously You know spite driven. I think that's why that complains in there. It's so so hateful So normal chill No spite I mean like I said, it's almost like frustratingly charitable.  Oh my god. You take your job too seriously.   Do you want to know what this this person would never make a video on me? You want to know what? Do I want to know what why you want to know why? You've hook lined and sinkered me. I you've pulled me in. I need to know Why would he not make a video on you denims? I need to know what makes you special No, don't leave me hanging. I must rewind to just look at the Connection between your mouth and brain. It's just we've only watched 20 minutes. Oh, thank god Do you want to know what this this person would never make a video on me? You want to know what? You want to know why?   We'll watch anybody clearly.   It's trashed. This is like not good, dude. This is not good. It's very good To make these judgments It is a very good video It is very well Reasoned and well argued and it's so good faith and it is just annoying and yet And yet look at how uncharitably you've interpreted every single point It's cloud chasing spite driven If you had two brain cells you'd figure out that when Hassan said that it's a flex to have two toilets together He meant something that he never said man The problem is you have to consider optics whenever you make any content at all ever tell us about Make Sure, your optics. Tell us about optics. Mrs. Oh, yes Make your bed miss optics. Tell me about Hey, look, all right. I look she hasn't read She hasn't Jordan Peterson's book is somewhere Her room or even that she should So maybe one day and she's only 51 dollars to the backpack guys She's 51 to the irl. Maybe that's an actual this is like irl. Maybe that's like a brand or something irl backpacks unlimited irl It is an all-in-one hd bond. Oh, it's a oh, it's the irl backpack is an all-in-one hd bonded video streaming solution allowing for untethered broadcasts of up to 12 hours to facebook live twitch youtube wowsa and more and Quality video streams without a large crew lots of equipment or steep learning curve It lets online broadcasters of all sizes Livestream hd video content directly to any online video provider From anywhere. So that's what it is. All right, no that thing solved We thought it might have been an irl backpack, but All right Look based Because like currently the optics on this video. They just straight up look like She's like maybe if I get money for an irl backpack.  You would have to be dimmed to not get I don't think it's in I wouldn't I wouldn't call it an improvement. Anyway, it's more just like wow You have to wait for a sea of fools that just can't understand and like have to infer intense They don't want to understand Wow, I yeah, because this is you do this you do this so you can't agree with the video You can't you're not allowed to well, I mean if you want to be intellectually consistent you can't um I'm mad and salty. So even if even if jay is not mad and he's not salty at all even a little bit It doesn't matter because that's how it's coming off Okay But okay, no it really isn't you have a warped Just I guess you have this weird lens that you look maybe you get some mascara in your eyes or something I don't know. You're not seeing clearly. This is not normal. Your perception of other people here is not normal It's probably not even healthy I'm very confused if she's concluded all this because we watched it all happen. I still don't get it Well, I mean even if jay was mad and salty. How so what he's every right to be well Yeah, so you need to know a lesson about optics. Okay, such Okay, explain to me optics. Oh, I will make you read through the medium of denims being like bitter Also, give me two seconds. I have to go like find something and so this person does not like shit on me and get really mauled on me Uh, I'm gonna put music instead Okay I don't know why people don't just She didn't want to play jay's video while being gone because jay would be mad at her for that when it's like You should do it because it's the right thing to do Not because of a consequence. It's because they they're allergic to a principle. They're allergic to a virtue They it's it just not isn't compatible with them With jay is so furious and and raging throughout this video that I can understand her fear And she's just like I wouldn't want to do anything to upset the mighty jay Of course jay is furious. Look. I mean that's just a normal colored light Yeah, jays skin That frog that frog in the background is is the real reflection of how jay feels That frog is hilarious. I like that frog. Look at him. He's so grumpy You could have a sitcom about him, but we won't because we got the sitcom about the bird That could be a crow but could also be the crow's friend. It could be a crow's well Doesn't need to be a crow.  You don't get the writing credit Well, I'll let you actually help me with it. I look all right I don't know if I'm gonna go that far but hey look at least the co-story credit Um, I say this but if I do follow through with this, I probably won't do that But hey, I'll mention it. You know every down then. I don't know. I haven't we this idea is still in its early days It's not it's not quite yet formed To be crafted to be molded to be molded to be yes to be molded We have fun here on e-fab Steel man.   So therefore it's fine. What you do that? What? So a lot of them have said that several times a lot of them have said that Now, um, it's basically irrelevant. Unfortunately, I guess I when I made this video I hoped that the resolution behind if you could read that comment And I don't know if any of you guys can open it up and read it in another page because I'm stuck down at like I'm not the biggest son Fan, but I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat so I don't feel Like it's that man if he does this Yeah, so uh Jay responded to it by addressing the fact that it's appealing to a lot of people doing the same thing And she's saying that's like not steel manning That's that's what it that that's the literal it's the argument being made Yeah That's all there's no manning of any kind involved. It's also an argument It's an argument irrelevant made it's an argument Hassan made so I don't know what she's talking about Well, and how's it not I mean if someone made the argument It's by definition not a straw man because that's the argument. It's not a straw man. It is the argument. Yes It is it is a man because remember there's a man the story I'm pretty sure this is because the story behind the straw man has looked at me I have defeated the knight But he's made of straw as opposed to the real knight standing off in the corner like hello I'm here to fight I can believe that people connect I I can I can believe that people can connect when they hear straw man They think oh like someone who doesn't have a brain because you know wizard of us That's yeah, that's that's a fair interpretation Because interestingly steel man, it's like the implication then would be that it's stronger than the knight And it's like well, not technically if it stays still like I guess that's still easier It's not a no heart Oh my god, we'll do the this the scariest of things. Um, anyway, she's certain that jay has done a bad Everybody has to do it all all streamers anyone who streams for enough hours in a day has to get up Has to take a break stop staring at their monitors for a little bit get some water You're appealing to it being widespread again. I don't know why Yeah, and first off, that's true. Yes, you don't have to some people can legit do it And wow champions, of course the rest of dbt, but still, you know What's dbt that's called commit deep vein from oh did I say dbt dbt deep vein thrombosis I think you said dbt. I just don't know what that is. Oh, we'll get dbt deep vein thrombosis Oh, I said dtf Yeah, deep Deep throat.  You know deep vein thrombosis deep vein thrombosis So That this comment is not a steel man and now she's agreeing with the comment As if it's the argument that she's saying it's not a real argument Exactly, it's legitimately interesting to see what what what form the argument takes as it passes through like like The comment and then the commentary on it and then her watching that commentary Like it's a pinball and a machine like it enters it ends right back up It's her first brain cell and she says usually one word or so gets the second brain cell and then a sentence maybe I'm gonna get to the last brain cell usually. She says what? And I guess that counts as commentary in this world etch go pee get food That's why all the streamers do it and instead of steel manning this commentator Like this this person's argument being like, okay, I understand what your perspective is But you have to understand that like it's not fair to the person who makes the video instead He's he's just saying like well, no everybody's doing it. So it must be okay. What he said That's that's what What do you think what do you think those words mean? Well, she just said those symbols are letters and when combined to have words shared understandings She makes an additional point that to be fair was mostly the same point But like she's such a strange person Okay, and it's like you're not even trying to make a decent argument and it's so fucking frustrating I don't understand why some of these comments are even in this video Like one of the comments was like I understand why he has to do that It's because he has to go pee and eat and whatever and he wants to at least try to entertain That's a dumb comment. That's why it's in the video. It's like, why did you put that on there?    I assume it's not a problem Yes, the british are still at least at the moment mostly white. So until the time the tide shift We can make fun of them. Those are the rules as I understand them because it's not like Anyone else has made fun of A kind of our relevant had any like kind of like being british. She's I think she did it before right? Yeah, she made fun of jay for being british already Well, isn't isn't it like a common thing in internet politics circle?   Oh, you're right. Um, yes. Well, I mean, I'm not but Yes, that's right. I am green I mean, I like to call brit bongers proto americans Proto americans, I guess From a certain point of view Video shows they have no idea of how streaming works like they should leave their whiny baby with nothing happening. Yeah What? So she's just equated chat to a whiny baby. You cannot leave them on their own Cat is that's great. Thanks. Hey chat.  I don't even think of our chat like that IRL backpack friend She says it so quickly and is like, yeah, that's true.  I mean don't bite the hand that feeds you. Be lucky you have any at all Listen, maybe we got this wrong. She's negging the chat. Okay, presumably. Yes. Uh, I But like that's a she's using that as a legitimate excuse like you can't leave a baby on its own So you can't leave chow on its own so you have to use other people's videos It's like why what is your logic? I have to buy toys for the baby though. I don't the analogy doesn't work.  It's a bunch of adults presumably Presumably for her content might be babies Why are we reading comments and like arguing against comments? I can help you out He's taking general upvoted comments And once that he sees a lot around reads them out as the example and then addresses it So that that argument is addressed doesn't really matter if it comes from comments or a streamer saying it About getting the argument out and sorted There's a lot of stupid arguments that get made in relation to this that for some reason a lot of people find compelling I think 28 Because of people like you daddams you're telling everyone in your chat that all these arguments are pretty compelling Unfortunately, and so they actually believe it Okay Okay, but to switch streamers versus youtubers gonna become the next thing I mean, I think the twitch streamers will win. We have more power youtubers without an ila power What do you have if you don't take our shit?  How do you win? What does it even mean to win that you get to react to whatever you want? I don't know that you can defeat the feeling people have that this isn't fair I assume that's what she's talking about like If they were like, uh-huh fog champ. Oh, you know what? I'm convinced that feeling that I have that I've been wronged here It's just gone So just vanishes if there was an idea of youtube fighting for the side of You should transform content ethically versus twitch's side of I should be able to steal.  I I also like that as well like more door and Exactly Well, I mean youtube isn't much more than a platform, isn't it then twitch As far as twitch has all the capabilities The sorry youtube has all the capabilities of twitch and more Yeah, well video is plus live But also, I mean if jay or any other youtuber whose content was being stolen All they have to do is they just have to contact twitch And get them to take it down. Well, yeah, you're right. She's already Exactly, yeah, so I mean how does twitch win this? Yeah, this river seems to flow only one direction. We've figured out twitch loses it like several different ways Why also I'm gonna be honest if dev dev I'm very sorry dev I did not mean to say that if denim thinks that her Level of content is something that's even remotely respectable. I'm sorry, but I virtually guarantee that every youtuber who puts in the effort and time to Make content and to research and edit and stuff can probably stream at your level or better And man if youtube is actually coordinated to make aware all of the companies that are getting this shit stolen by you Uh who come crashing down We have more what do you think she meant more power?  We have more power You know, I mean we have to deal with harassment live on stream. We have to deal with harassment live on the stream This is like higher power emotional mental Fortitude, maybe is that what she's trying to she is mental and emotional That's true.  They don't even have to read their comment section. Okay simple as You don't have to What are you talking about?  Jesus Christ.  Now you can go out the teeth You're more bad. I don't have that filter. No you're getting watched by a streamer than Gordon Ramsay having this multi-million dollar show watched on stream Uh, you know how that means you're bad Not better jay's more angry than Gordon Ramsay is all the stuff they're doing and then laughs.   It's silly Why Why There are a few things also how long should it be? Oh Too bad, you can do most of the talking while you're away.  You know what I mean?   And if all of these things You know what? When I first saw a draft of this video I told jay you might want to cut that one out because it's going to be used as an excuse to ignore your whole point And jay was like, what do you mean?  This is my job Ignoring all of the good points you made even though that one's kind of sad tongue-in-cheek Uh, it will give them an hour and jay was I think preferred to keep it for the the comedic value as well Is the fact that it's a good point Yeah, it's kind of difficult point When people are interpreting this and like as bad faith as possible, they're going to twist everything that way So you're end up using all of your arguments I don't like I wouldn't blame jay for any keeping any of the things that they that's ended up being kept in this at all I I think it's it's only that You have these Convultures tearing it for anything they can use and twist and it's so annoying All seem like they're too much effort then Sucks to be you take some pride in your work.  I don't know I had a favorite quote of hers before this one is now the favorite quote that is the best thing you'll ever hear her say Is wonderful.  You don't get to just take something someone else made What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know What do you think it means try steel god forbid steel man it What does it mean to have pride in your work I've never experienced that I don't know what it is I thought it was like I thought it was like that self-evident level of just you know what it means because the words are just it's so I It's like let's say it's like jump. What does jump mean? I don't know It's it's just it's jumping.  Like I don't Praving pride in you. This is this is the result of a a horrific Lost battle for someone's soul where they have to Admit openly. They don't know what it means to have pride in your work They've made it this far through life. This person's what 24 20 25 doesn't matter because I knew what that meant when I was like 10 Right. This is an adult who has a job apply quotes liberally and they don't know What having pride in your work means? Who say how how I don't how do you make it this far without knowing what that is? Surely she has heard that before it's a phrase that everyone has heard before Take pride in your work and I guess she heard it and It blocked it out or it was never said to her for some reason Or she didn't think it applied to anything that was related to I I don't know Here we are. Here we are. She's like 25 or whatever She doesn't know what that means My homie really said just end stream Hey guys, I want to go pee so I'm gonna see you guys later.  I'm expecting a period Or just more to that sentence because that's not enough for me to work with She she poses this like jay would have no answer. Like yeah, we're now what jay Huh? No, what ruined i'm like tell me more. You know That's totally fine. He makes the most sense. Well, that's nice to see isn't it? I mean, I understand sweet dude My man said react harder. Oh, so I have like 30 minutes of his son's response to work within my editing room That's what you said That's literally what you said you literally said I don't like the way that you reacted to my content And he said, okay, you don't like the way that I react. I reacted to your content That's fine. I won't watch your content anymore. He literally did say react harder cat to come back This is so where's the cat literally so cringe, dude She's watched that much and she's still concluding at this point. The jay's point is react harder That's it so cringe So cringe dude, so cringe, dude Um, but that's only the first portion of denims Oh no Don't get too scared by the rest of this possibly go Oh god, this this is such an adventure to come Oh, is this just is this the same we haven't yet to experience man-made horrors beyond yeah, basically I was hoping to get this into one video, but it like froze every time I tried to edit it that way Uh, I split it to two. I'm not sure why but yeah, uh the hasam one because you're your video editing software couldn't handle the denseness Of denim and it's a built-in feature of vegas. It's a it's a user safety protocol algorithm Yes, like we've detected we've detected a and of not a what's it called a Abnormal yeah, like an abnormal Yeah, in the time space stupidity flux drive Time space continuum fabric Due to our safety user safety protocols, which you agreed to in our terms of service paragraph 78 page 6 We are now shutting down your license has been revoked. You will thank us like Um, uh to be fair as well. This is she is finally starting to get mad at jay by the way. This is this is almost like Where it cuts in huh awesome great. Well, you do at a pause point Let me step over just a moment and I will be right back and just just a minute just a minute Okay, so while rax is away. Let's find another random video to just watch and not comment on Rax away Let's just play a clip of a movie or something. What's your impression of denim so far? Uh Braindead I think she's okay. I think she's trying to be female hassan. She sounds like him She talks very similar to the way he talks. She makes very similar moronic arguments the way hassan does Yeah, I think you're on point There's a weird ecosystem where a lot of them are trying to just get to his Station if you will or at least Experience its light It's just so sad Beam your light upon me hassan. Let's me grow.  It is depressing. The only thing I could think of is that I've interacted with a lot of People younger than me a lot of zoomers and they they talk very similar to the way hassan talks and I just go Poorly Yes poorly Poorly and stupidly and vapidly Their diction is like a work of fiction Oh Sound like dr. Evil saying that for some reason. It is depressive how they are expressive Yes It is shit Things that they can explain react content to a twitch streamer who Their primary source of income is twitch streaming react stuff Wow, and they think that they can explain to a twitch streamer this Yeah, it's sad that we know how to do your job better than you do. Isn't that Don't you feel ashamed of yourself and for some reason she's really hopping on this split between twitch and youtube Like it's this these dramatically different areas of these are the ultimate tribalists. It shouldn't surprise you It's got to be teams. We got to come up with teams and I'm on his songs Jay and fringin metal regularly stream on twitch.   Yeah You know it's people making videos Some people do streams more some people make like video stuff more and that's it.  So yes, I will tell you to not do that. You take the advice for free I'm gonna I'm gonna woman sprain. I'm gonna twitch sprain. Oh god Content, okay. Okay. I'm gonna twitch plane Okay, you want to know why this video is bad here.  No No, this is important. There's a super cut here. Okay.  What a baby.  So I don't feel like it's that bad that he does this I watch his son pretty frequently and I honestly think it's because he was eating lmao Content quality usually takes a nose dive for that half an hour He's usually good about crediting channels and sharing his thoughts throughout a lot of the time He's leaving or eating because he literally streams for 10 plus hours a day And he's got to do it sometime and the chat needs to be entertained in the meantime Anyone who streams for enough hours in a day has to get up has to take a break Stop staring at their monitors for a little bit get some water stretch go pee get food That's why all the streamers do it Lull these comments. Why don't you guys start a twitch and react your way?  I reacted to your content. That's fine. I won't watch your content anymore How about just telling him not to do that instead of pulling this cringe shit? That was so cringe. Okay. This is so current. This is literally so cringe, dude You're not allowed to watch any youtube videos unless you react the exact way the creator wants you to the rules of the internet So his son reacted and he was like, well, you got the reaction wrong.  And honestly, I give them an f for react content. I feel like I feel like he's grading his son's reacts Like he's like his son's reacts get a d minus Jay's entire channel revolves around him making content that only reacts to other people's content or analyzes it There's no difference between what jay is doing here and what he's complaining about his son doing Jay's pathetically drama baiting over something that in essence would require him to delete 90% of his channel's videos If he was serious about not using other people's content What if he had watched so jay had watched someone's content? They said I didn't like the way that you reacted about this Then what? Lowell just react harder. Hey jay react harder. My man said react harder You literally said I don't like the way that you reacted to my content And he said okay, you don't like the way that I react. I reacted to your content. That's fine I won't watch your content anymore He literally did say react harder This video is bad because you're taking the criticisms of morons who spend five minutes of their life typing a hate comment to you Can any of you figure out what my point is?  I feel like it's just I This is an incredible lack of Awareness on your part. I I don't even say I'm I've lost losing the ability to speak and form words Her stupidity is contagious I think so.   So now she's like embarrassed and trying to cover it up You know how sometimes you maybe Think of so let's take this with movies, right? Sometimes we watch a movie After years and years and years and years and we can't quite remember what we thought or said about it the first time Right, but it has it's been years. Maybe a decade or more since we've seen a movie, right? No perspective totally changed and and we're like sort of new people, you know by then That's her but with seconds in between stages Like it's it's like rewatching a movie again and giving a perspective and isolation As if you were a new person. I see Well, how they say how goldfish have a three second memory I think that explains a lot. She she can't remember anything that she's said in the past about a video that she's It might take is I'm willing to believe that she's completely forgotten that she said a lot of what was in those comments It's like they say was it it takes seven years for you to to shed all yourselves and regrow the entire body seven seconds Seven seconds her brain has completely shed out. We've moved on Every thought she has it's not connected to previous thoughts Everyone is every one of her thoughts is an island. It exists in isolation And any connection between previous thoughts is incidental and accidental. Maybe she's really like evolved here Okay, we're thinking in this confounds of limited like linear time And she's just beyond that every moment. It's just the individual eternity of that. She has benjamin button of the brain It's like a you know in tlj when rey is like situation for answers that she finds the mirror Like it's like daddams is like yj. Why would you respond to the comments of who would care about responding to these Who do these comments even come from that she looks into the wall and there's a mirror and she's like And then she doesn't get it It's all these ears here What are you trying to say?  She wouldn't understand the point I agree I don't think she would understand the point She would say like what and then there would be silence and then she'd say I don't know what to tell you And then she's like, it would be true. It would be true I should say someone explain to these video essayists Okay, how to craft a good argument because they don't understand Just what I mean about how like in terms of formats like streaming versus video creation It's like the video creator people they're gonna they're gonna beat you because they they look at stuff They look back and they compare statements.  Yeah, generally there's an underlying Person sure to say who makes all these comments, which means that there's some kind of like consistency Generally when you react to things but here it's just like Man, it's all over the place.  I had to watch two denim streams and a denim. Oh, no one for each hand They we haven't even gotten to stream two from Denim's yet Wait, there's a stream two to this. Uh, yeah, it's the stream where she talks to Jay They they talk they talk and I've got it in here the important parts of it I cut it right down, but I'll give you all context when we get there. Don't worry.   Like like what? How could that confuse any rational person?  It's like, I don't know like a Like a two out of 10 Yeah, I'm thinking two. Yeah He could be way nicer. I suppose but we're getting to like Ned Flanders levels of like not Yeah, you'd have to think about how it could be nicer But yeah, there's probably a world where it could be nicer.  Oh my god.  I want to dress like some criticisms that I've seen a lot of So without further oh, right. Yeah, I should probably so this is another super cut I'm just gonna let it play. This is Denim's advice on what Jay should do and then You know, I just play some clips that have nothing to do with what she's saying at all And it's distinctly different from just letting someone else's content players You cook eat and occasionally make vague or vacuous comments Whoa, look at how dumb this person is. Oh my god. And look at how dumb my haters are What you were supposed to do was okay I want to dress like some criticisms that I've seen a lot of So without further ado, I'll sit down pour myself a nice refreshing glass of beans and go over Some of the arguments that I made in favor of this kind of reaction The first criticism that I get a lot is react harder Lowell just react harder. Hey Jay react harder. My man said react harder And it has more to do with the fact that I think that walking away from the computer is bad Instead of just react harder Summing up the criticism as react harder does make it sound unreasonable because saying react harder would be unreasonable But summing it up as Contribute something would be a lot more accurate. My man said contribute something man Make your reaction stream a meaningfully different experience to watching the original video. It's not just a matter of react I'm imagining Hasan with this level of oratory skill And it's bizarre. My brain doesn't like it. It's not right.  You're like bad-fating like hardcore So if it wasn't clear, he did everything she told him to do already and she's seen all of it But yeah, your brain doesn't work properly I think she just hears like the buzzwords that other breadtubers say bad faith Social intuition draw man. She's kind of like regurgitates it without fully understanding amazing react harder my man said react harder He literally did say react harder What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know It's like have you guys ever brushed your teeth and then drink orange juice? Like that, but it's like that but in my mind every time it's not painful Thoroughly unpleasant I mean Instead of saying like oh like this could be true You make fun of him for it or something like which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you Well jay is the ableist for making fun of hasan for saying something that could interpret easily as ableist It's amazing. It's how did you do that? What road of logic did you just go down because I didn't follow goodness Shouldn't be a bed behind you should be a trampoline for all the other clowns in that circus you live in I feel like it's it's gotta be like uh It's gotta be I don't know. Yeah Like someone who has a disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense Um, I'm not sure what part of this messy weird house has made hasan conclude Yes, only a disabled could have caused this It's so funny. It's really well done. She shuffles in and shakes. It's so funny I fight for the underclass Which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you And then people would have taken this so seriously because people like people who are good faith and genuinely feel a certain way People like people who are good faith and feel a certain way Why I hate you anyway Or just a certain way People like a certain way just one know that one as long as it's certain to some extent.   Yeah, I don't I don't understand. Why did you go into chat?  It makes me what he what do you think he actually did wrong? It's juicier than that. Okay. She just outlined what she thinks should have been in earlier points of video Right, shouldn't just assume someone is okay with their content being used as filler If a part of your work relies on you uploading other people's content, then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise you're just Reuploading other people's content Unless you have explicit permission to use something as filler content It's fine to do that if you have permission But it's not if you don't rip. He said all this already.  Oh, it seems so obvious Oh, man. Gosh.   Come on Come on Wow, what do you mean?  I don't know Tina bottle, dude She feels like a song wanted to not be streaming anymore But they don't want to lose those stream dollars like outside of the camera being on him How is any different than him just watching you to be all stream it just rose me the wrong way like how do you Think of your viewers to just stream your break Hey, what am I supposed to do die? Like I don't understand Son reacts to someone's suggestion that he could die Well, listen, this is silly. I son is just not good at making arguments because he's not a debate.  Can we also just point out tweedle dub just said tweedle d doesn't know how to make arguments Yeah, wow. Yeah, sorry. That that was lost on me for a second there.  People say he's a variety or something or he's just Oh, yeah, I know I just I don't I don't buy that I mean, didn't he do an interview recently where he talked about how he forged out the political community on twitch? Yes, you don't get you don't get to take credit for something you didn't do and then walk about I don't know if he says this but people in the people definitely say that about him And I don't I just I don't buy it used to debate people all the time. He did Yeah, but everybody Stop now the only person who did it is destiny and now he's banned off of twitch So that space is probably going to wither away Because none of the larger people in that space the one that talks a smaller.   I'm done I'm not a debate bro. Yeah, because you're right.  Yeah um Yeah, just on the topic of uh, you know defense force for Hassan as well I like that. This was the one that broke it. She couldn't even bother defending this one when you when he's like this one What do you want me to do die? She's like, yeah, I can't There is a line. It's very low, but it's you've hit the line. I'm sorry Bro, that's not the only statement that he should have said there is I lose viewers when I leave and I don't put See He shouldn't have said what am I supposed to do die? He should have said what am I supposed to do lose viewers? Yes Brilliant I don't wrongly.  Hassan, let me replace it with this great one I'll give you a ringer.  I don't mean to be mean to chat Chat does not know what oh, yeah I'm putting this in here just because she just said chat wants the thing and that's why I've got to do it Also chat doesn't know what they want because yeah, we have to obey chat and all of their demands This chat that does not know what they want.  They want you to watch their videos. Please record your answer and send it to me Would you be okay with it if a streamer played one of your videos in full on their stream with Now we went through this with our elephant. I'm just gonna give us a quick reminder Jay was prompted by Hassan by Hassan claiming Most youtubers love that this happens So Jay is like is that true and asks a bunch of random youtubers that he has dms with that is why this happened Saying that you're really adding anything. No, no, no, I would not yes No Well, I mean I could kind of do with a like I wouldn't say no I don't think I would be okay with the streamer playing one of my videos in its entirety without even really adding to it If they give me a shout out and try to send people my way then sure, but we're really doing anecdotes Most other uh content creators on youtube and all around don't give a shit if you watch the videos Or they like it. They literally like it. They want you to watch their videos That's what we're doing now. You're gonna ask your friends Like it's brain rot for the lot of them. They just can't understand why Jay is doing this They just cut they just they've lost the memory of her. She was watching Hassan say that I remember I remember seeing a meme that was explaining all of the logical fallacies and one of the memes that I saw Was about anecdotal. I remember that It was next to straw manning and next to appeal to authority And I'm just gonna throw well, I'm jumping ahead. I guess in the but people do this. They just throw out People don't understand these fallacies. I heard this word right They use them, but they don't understand them. So for instance A lot of people throw straw man around very liberally But if you are responding to an argument that exists and is written down that someone has actually said There's no straw man. That is a point that is being addressed Fringy, why are you gaslighting them? That sounds like an ad hominem to me rags Ad hominem is another one that people throw around a lot too. Yeah, all of these are everywhere all over the internet Because ad hominem is a fun one because if you say Uh, this is why your argument is bad.  Therefore your arguments cannot be good Like that's what it means to use an ad hominem calling someone stupid. It's not an ad hominem.  I'm just describing her That's just a slippery slope fallacy. Okay guys.  Oh Yeah, got to the gaps once again.  Is that an appeal to authority? Omega law authority No evidence whatsoever that he was like he just said most youtubers like it It's like, oh, have you done like a broad sweeping survey or study that's analyzed the effects of what you do And how many people like it. Why is that not an anecdote? Well, it's not even an anecdote.  He has no He has nothing to support that claim Yeah, seriously And this whole repetitive cycle of drama on youtube would grind to the halt and I'd have to fill the rest of my days with Anything else like Were probably yes, if they were to credit me that person is based What why would you say that the person who made a joke about how if things were different I might have to work He says he's he's based That's in line with the character It's in line with the character No, I guess the socials would know about expenses. That's fine. It was like a bias question Or whatever with the lore um randomly selected from people I have open dms with yeah And also it's kind of silly because it's like obviously you're gonna like Your friends are probably gonna have similar opinions to you for starters Literally several people said that they were fine with it in that selection On this like I left him in there Yeah, Jay I was like I think it was three people who outright said yes, and then there was some people who said Yes, if blah blah blah blah um all relevant I said this basically the same thing that this is It's bias because the cherry picking and bias. Yeah The people who you know, which doesn't actually count as shit, but uh, They would have to be yeah, this doesn't work for this opinion It just doesn't it doesn't there doesn't seem to be any correlation between people that I would have as friends And people who have this opinion on this content thingy of preference of theirs. There's no There's a there's a correlation between like oh Maybe people who like a misanthrope who just like hates people. Yeah, probably won't be friends with them, right? But this is It's it's not relevant. Yeah, you don't just drawn the bias other than well, you know them Jay So they'll agree with you. Oh Okay, second of all, um Uh, what is it called? Uh, the anecdote seems valid in this case in different types of channels. So what would you prefer? Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, it was a leading question. The question should have been Is a leading where in what circumstances would you be okay with a streamer watching your content? So the reason why it's not a leading question what Jay said versus what she's just done Which is insufficient if I said to you guys right now Uh, are you okay with a streamer watching a video in Like what what circumstances you okay with that in you should be like, well I would describe something Hassan definitely didn't do I mean, this is kind of the problem with that question a lot of us would just describe like oh Well, you know, they they play it and they mentioned who I am. I guess or shown and they they I mean it's up to them how much they want to react. I I suppose You know Involved in the question is not the point of asking the question which is are you okay with someone With zero credit showing your video in its entirety to their audience That is the important substance of the question. That's not priming anyone for anything Which is it's fine because that is an accurate representation of what happened It's not like you're trying to you're not misrepresenting events in the question to get them to answer a certain way That's what happened what she's talking about would have to require me to go Are you guys with uh, okay with someone very Evaly uploading your video to their stream without crediting you at all in a very malicious way Like you you wouldn't be okay with that. Would you? Like uh, you may have directed me to one answer there But if i'm just like are you okay with this He's just like well, yeah, I mean how how neutral can you get at asking that question I don't understand what you want from jay jay is trying to figure out if what Hassan said has any truth to it at all Or she's just fucking bullshit I know if they answered it and it would just be a longer way of saying Oh, so basically everyone is against what Hassan did it wouldn't help her point It just make the video longer and the problem for jay is that Had the question denim suggested been asked a lot of people would have asked answered in such a way that jay is like Okay, but I need to know specifically if you're okay with what Hassan has done Like you may not have answered the question enough for me to infer what your response to the you know I mean, this is like so it's just insufficient. Yeah, I would have said so they all said this. Let's see how many match with what Hassan did.  You'd be like well any yeah, sure They go you okay with it if they don't react at all.  I guess I should have phrased it a bit differently That would have been a non-leading question That you would have actually had people be able to answer completely in in their entirety You could have had people answer in their entirety She's just complaining about how this was too long and needs to be edited Yeah, we need to ask a non-leading question sitch, okay Oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot. Oh, dude. I watched smiling friends the first episode. I really didn't like it Oh I know it's her job to help this guy everything, but I think this guy's a lost cause He's obviously made up his mind. Why don't we just cut her losses and get out of here?  Oh, yeah, by the way, she has finished jay's video now So we're we're gonna be oh, yeah This goes a little further than our relevance video.  I what? She has no idea what she's talking about Let's do a poll Would you have watched this video if I hadn't streamed it?  There's no way.  She already forgot what she said Okay, fair enough. Obviously I primed you guys and stuff. So like there is that one problem It's useless. All right. All right. Okay. There's that one. They're going to twitch because they want a curator They don't want to watch videos. They want to watch someone curate videos for them So they probably don't even get most of their content off of youtube, right? I This this is this is what the part she's just the point She's at and trying to justify all of this this view is out They desperately want a curator to find videos for them Man, he's how pathetic are you chat? This isn't true There's just a bunch of poor wretched sinners out there who need someone to lead them to the light and I will Feel when to show them away and all they have to do is give me all their possessions and cut their ties with their family I imagine most of the people who love watching Hassan and watch Hassan for multiple hours a day Don't when they end when Hassan ends streamer Hassan hasn't started stream yet They don't go to youtube and try and pick out videos that they think Hassan might I mean like Hassan literally tries to promote his youtube Through his twitch with highlights of his twitch to watch on youtube You follow?  Of course, there's crossover. It's crazy that she would be upset. It's just yes.  I'm gonna talk to the person who made oh, so this is stream 2 welcome bed still unmade That Hassan rant video The reaction con I don't like it's bothering me, you know Like it's just it's bothering me when you have guests over when you have company coming over Then you you make the bed and you sort of tidy up the house But this is gonna be this is a free rags Piece of the piece of this is a golden nugget that you could Keep in your mind space, right? Whenever you have people coming over whether it's a lady friend or a or a boy Or in any one of your homies or your parents, right? Don't clean it all the way, right clean it 80% of the way, right? So it's not perfect so that it looks organically clean You want to give the impression that it's always like this. I'm just a generally tidy clean person Not I have cleaned up so much. There is no way anyone would believe that the house is always In this kind of sterile state. No, no, no, no clean it 80% Like so no one complaints everyone's like, oh, hey, this is a really nice place But they could tell that you didn't necessarily go to insane degrees to have to clean because it's always clean and tidy. Okay So that's so like clean up the whole place, but like leave the bed for example Yeah, oh, yeah, but if they're coming into your bedroom Like if if you have potentially thousands of people staring into your bedroom Definitely don't make the bed.  Don't worry about it It's fine. What is pride in your work anyway? Oh, I don't know Content video and I'm gonna talk to him and I'm gonna be like I want to talk. I want to chat. I want to do the thing and I think uh, chud's gonna like host it or something You don't know So I Unfortunately was like I better watch everything up to the discussion with jay to make sure I don't miss any Like prep or context or anything that might come up Unfortunately for me that means I had to watch a denim stream And now you guys have to know why do you do this to the smaller? Don't worry. I've I've shortened it significantly And you'll understand why very quickly This is a new one you didn't even realize it was new And That's true I really got to make sure i'm giving a lot of commentaries Because jay could be watching right now Okay Oh boy, what if jay's watching you?  Yep right now No, you clean. No, what?  This is what it means to be a react streamer covering stuff like hell's kitchen and stuff like that This is this is the job And the thing is you got things to say you can talk about hell's kitchen I would know i've watched a lot of hell's kitchen.  You know what? In hell's kitchen sometimes they do the same challenge, but they do it later You know they do that sometimes I thought that's what all chefs do you feed a lot of people Well, so the the format of hell's kitchen is uh, basically that uh, each episode will begin with a challenge of some sort The test some aspect of the contestants culinary skills Like certain when you get a certain style of food Yeah, yeah So it'll be like you need to replicate this based on only what you've tasted or you need to create something with only these ingredients Or you only have x amount of time to do something Uh, you you need to use certain ingredient and if you win then you get some really cool prize Like you get to go to a spa and if you lose you have to do some like menial work around The kitchen and then the second half of the episode will be The service where you get kind of the main content you're there for with hell's kitchen Which is gun ramsey yelling at contestants as he's trying to serve food And then you have uh, you have uh, the Elimination and then someone leaves or maybe there'll be a twist where they switch the teams.  You're out Um, that's hell's kitchen That is hell's kitchen pretty much for the last 20 years at this point So one of the chat was like wait, so this is the stuff she was saying people get annoyed that she pauses on it's like yes And yet they want us to believe they are watching it for her not for the tv That's master ship. No, it's hell's kitchen. So those are the two things they do it to Oh, yeah, right. Yeah They tried to do it with other tv shows and they got slapped but they're getting away with this one A bunch of people Will different chefs be judging different foods or something Oh, yeah, it's table side. I'm so pepegy What does that mean Is that a witch lingo? Is it zoomer speak? I know pepegy. I know pepega But I don't know pepegy. I don't know what that is Pepe, how do how do you spell it? Pepegy We got I don't pepegy is someone on twitch, but I I don't I don't know. I don't know what I don't know the zoomer speak. I don't understand these words Maybe dev could have saved us, but he's he's gone now. So we have to fight it alone What Well, yeah, like there's there's no confusion here, right? She's just stealing this Oh Nobody that's like so we're just pressing on right? Yeah Why why would you be like I have hives everywhere and I was so itchy You're you're speaking with food in your mouth Take pride in your work. What does that mean? Oh, she got some laughs dude, okay, okay, okay, okay um I think I'm rooting the most for ryan Right now. I think I'm rooting the most for ryan right now Yeah, this is what I mean So I remember there was a season I think it was season 12 the chef who won that season was called scott and I I remember in that season that that was kind of this It was almost a clutch victory because earlier on he wasn't particularly strong But as the season progressed, uh, he started to find more of a voice. He became more He he he just got a better understanding of what he needed to do to compete and And I guess if if I was watching that season, why would you not try to make more long-winded observation? I no not long-winded. Why wouldn't you try to make more thorough observations about what's going on instead of just I kind of want them to win. Why don't you talk about why? Why don't you talk about like what aspects of them as a chef are really interesting or strong Compared to the competitors. Why do you like the show? What about the format? Yeah, exactly. What would you like to see in the future? Because you know the appealing thing to me about hell's kitchen the reason why I like it a lot more than uh Uh, well, I mean, I like a lot of Gordon Ramsay's cooking shows But uh, the reason why I like hell's kitchen a lot more than master chef is because we get to see Them working on uh, the line which I think is uh more interesting than just To me personally more interesting than watching them just do the standard competition stuff with master chef But then again, I really like master chef Canada um Master chef Canada is really cool There's just so many things that you can talk about with these shows I know it's reality television, but there's you can you can you can talk more than this Especially since you this is your job This is what you do This is your life. I don't understand why you have nothing to contribute. I mean the chat is saying don't pause Uh, well, yeah, because I just want to watch the show That's it. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. Obviously. I've edited this in such a way that you ain't enjoying that episode Good luck with that. No No, we're not doing that.  Yeah, it's the golden triangle.  It's the What's it's the Elephant's foot triangle. I don't know. What's what's an unwanted medal? Other than ours No, it's not I don't do that. Yeah, it was uh Unwanted what's a metal people don't like I don't know rusted metal lead. Yeah, it's it's the rusty Because a lead triangle. It's I don't know I She actually gave them a shot. They were like, yeah, I go for some shots Yeah, yeah, that's what we do in restaurants.  Yeah, yeah, man.  You can spare some to keep them happy Cots send them. You're not gonna give any offer any shots to chat, huh? Huh? Also the way they they drink that tequila like it was water, bro. That's How do you know bro?  There's no point Yeah I can just watch it Only getting in the way there is no point to her.   That guy doesn't look like an average dude What? What's wrong with looking like an average dude so loud She's sipping so hard, dude.  An average looking dude bringing, come on Oh, no No Could you imagine if efab movies ran this way? Yeah guys we made a super cut and all the reactions were Yeah, but there you go It could you imagine like we're watching Shawshank redemption and then When Andy's like get busy living or get busy dying instead of having a full blown conversation about how meaningful that statement is Even everything that happens in the story and probably in life. Yeah, that we just said true And that and then we just played for like another 10 minutes And the next time that we speak is when he goes to the bank with all of the warden's money That's just like ha ha wow based pog champ. Could you imagine? Like whatever Zod said, where did you learn how to fight on a farm? Why was that guy like talking as if he was posting on twitter This oh my keyboard is awesome. Let me see I don't know this guy Oh, this this guy who's like super mad. You're this far into your stream. You realize your keyboard isn't even working Because she doesn't need it. He doesn't need As long as the monitor's on she don't give a Why was he no, he looks mad about it, dude Dude No, he doesn't he's mid blink. He looks mad. He's like, yeah It's not fair. Do you know what blinking is like damn? He's he's like he's got so much chatter energy He has like the twitter energy where it's like that's a whole new sentence or whatever Or whatever where it's like, oh Twitter's the only place where you can say I like pancakes and you'll get people saying like Oh, so you hate waffles like He ironically would say that that's what you would say She did that to jay.  It's one of those things man. I'm pretty good faith, all right. I'm like jay I'm just trying to picture myself because when I was watching twitch streams a lot back But just before I started streaming on twitch and stuff Um, the the value was in the commentary for a lot of game like like it's like oh, I like seeing them play maris sunshine Or whatever, but I'm only staying when it's the person who's adding to it that I'm interested in This I would like this is a fucking joke, right?  He's like you think beef doesn't have finesse. It's like What? I mean, no, that's not what I Okay Okay, I have to pee though, so so now I I couldn't be asked to put you guys through any more of that that that is an experience of what history Is this gonna be is this is this is political commentary on twitch, isn't it though? I gotta go and i'm gonna play content from like a news organization So The idea is that she's not got long before speaking to jay at this point But there is something she needs to do box video. There is something she needs to go do so she's making sure chats Okay, I'll be right back. Okay chat All right, here you go. Here's some here's some fox By the way as a result of editing this Because I was gonna cut the second she comes back And I just like I'll let it play this video is quite interesting it it goes over what uh Just how much influence movie like creation and theaters had on each other as time has gone on in terms of how much control They have a distribution relationship. Yeah, uh, they sort of need each other, especially early on And she just steals it Did you get a copyright strike when you made this video?  Oh, yes. If you do what she's doing. Yes, you get struck. This is what is happening right here Is a is a reupload of a video that was made by a different organization. Yep It's The editing A lot of people in chat are shitting on vox. It's like whatever you think of vox This is like a this is a this is a video like that's been edited and researched and they've talked to people They've done they've done work here.  This is unrelated to politics Well enough we've covered some of their media stuff that was bad Seems to be uh About media. Yeah, this is about um, this video like I said Like a pinion though. It's it's just like a history or something. Yeah Yeah, it's it would be hard for this video to be bad as long as they're doing the basic stuff of research and present presentation Um, I think currently from wrong chat But it was a efap like 10 or 11 where we covered a vox video that said the x-men universe has the best continuity out of all universes Holy crap It's pretty funny. How do you say that? Especially back then dude. That's like 2018. They said that Yeah, because I only got worse Man look at that Let's finish the video Six minutes played without her there.  Oh, I don't know how his son does it where he washes the videos on his phone You ready for a Freudian slip here it comes. Oh boy. Oh, he's gone.   That is smart though. That is smart I should start pretending like I do that or actually start doing it, dude I should start pretending like I do that interesting Interesting, you know why she said that right so that she has the excuse. It's like no, I watched it. Yeah I told her yeah Unfortunately now I kind of can't believe whether if you say it doesn't even matter But like if you if you did how am I meant to know that that wasn't you pretending I love it.   Yeah That's kind of neat to shame that they're not going to get reimbursed in any way She linked the channel or the video as well Well, so the reason why this is I think is annoying me a bit is because you know how like a lot of people who Like do what denim stars will talk about man mainstream media worthless not like me The online political commentator But then they get so much of their content from cnn and fox and stuff Like they get so much of their content from these news organizations That actually do the reporting and get the footage and get the people that they need to speak to It's got a kind of comfort somewhere stream and talk about how great they are Even though they wouldn't be able to do the work that they do without this It's kind of annoying. Yeah, it's like shooting on the electric company Like the band Uh, if they want never but the people who provide electricity to your home.  They probably don't even work eight hours a day like I do Oh imagine What seemed to be the next time? Can you please just end the stream? Can you please just end the stream their most powerful? Man, you know what I was so good faith not like jay so bad Again, that was one of what it's like six suggestions from jay But no, we'll we'll make fun of that one because it's apparently the most absurd one only enough Fuck it, whatever So here we are chud logic is hosting jay and denims and they're going to have a conversation now I cut out a lot of this, uh, but I have kept very interesting parts Friendly conversation, which is a derivative change of pace for this channel. So that's good.  Yeah Yeah, no, I completely understand and I'm very sympathetic to your positions. I'm very You bitch That doesn't feel very honest Act stabbing Damn, it makes me angry We're so the the thought that comes to mind is a good old quote from star wars episode three revenge of the sif from Anarchy Skywalker Well, I didn't I was gonna leave it up to people's imaginations, but She's a sif. Okay, it's clear.  She's pal petite I understand why you chat against me Jay just said when I saw that someone had left their chair like that was crazy to me and she was like, oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, totally. I completely understand. Let's compare That statement had the position that you did.  So Let's talk about it. It's also very much. I'm say something. Thank you. This is coming off really salty I'm waiting for him to finish his point before I go any further because I have so many opinions And I'm trying to hold them so so he can finish his point Because I am mulch and coping and mulch and cope and mulch So that doesn't sound like you agree at all. Actually It sounds like you're angry sounds like you're not very sympathetic to that position actually Because like before the stream, that's what she was doing Yeah, of course you hopped on to that. That's what got me upset of him But even suggesting that it's strange to leave but then tells him to his face. Oh, I agree with you I totally totally Are we in the debate where I need? Oh, yeah, I I agree I was doing that right before I came on mocking you as I did it, but oh, I definitely agree line, bitch No, I completely understand and I'm very sympathetic to your position and stuff like I understand why you had the position Snake snake we agree on the positions because like I think You were talking about the um, I was not expecting that. Yeah, I honestly I thought maybe there would be more Back Even the video like by the time I finished the video I was like, huh, like I should really be more careful and like I should try not to watch content Uh on my stream is filler content She just did like 10 seconds ago Not only is she still doing it moments before she said that But I don't remember her saying that at the end of finishing jay's video.   Because he has a he has a patron named jabeen Wow, wow, you're literally skipping the credits Well now that I don't have to watch that video on their youtube channel way to steal their views Yeah, I'm so sorry. I stole 400 views from them now instead of having 50,000 views.  Hey man, no snowflake things that's responsible for him. Put their channel name on screen put it on screen Put it show the channel name Denims Yeah, dude. I hope you want to make a video on this That was her reaction to the end of the video not oh man I need to introspect about when I steal people's content.  So I think that One argument is just sitting there. You know, oh, yeah, he's slab of the table.  It's not people someone the chat said x it's not x. It's it's uh, it's not x. It's um, it's it's y Yeah, for lie. We're not doubting. We're just calling her a liar Yeah, this is not a press x to doubt moment here I'm glad to hear One argument that Assan makes and I don't need to answer for Assan's points But it's just interesting just to you know generate a bit of chat about overly But like this idea that someone streams for a long time in a day Therefore they're justified in using filler content. Like what what what are our thoughts on that sort of point?   I need to get out of here And also inconsistent with what you did in the stream prior to this conversation where you played it Uh, when you left and then you played that vox video for six out of the seven minutes That it was its length like have we ever come across an example and across all of efab?  You are just lying.     What are our thoughts on that sort of point? Wait a minute. Why does she think ad block for youtubers is bad? Um, they don't make money from ads. I mean Right.  So they make no money from ads on your platform Is excluded from that? No, they don't even get the ad from you watching it and stealing it At least what someone has an ad blocker they get the view it still helps in the outlook She's getting money at that point.   That's neat Mm-hmm. What was jay aware of her previous stream on this?   It's like sometimes it's like maybe you were too nice, man.  Well, this is why we're here. Very well, but I'll do it Dude, this all this all existed right? But now when you get someone to put it together and show someone in the chronological order, it's like Oh, wow.   So I've taken like polls in my community and like the majority By the way, the ad block conversation is its own thing And we can have that later that it's a separate issue, you know, that that's it's a whole it's a whole another Similar but different animal and I know she's not ready for a conversation about ad block She ain't ready for that People said that they literally wouldn't watch hell's kitchen unless I was trimming it And it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm reacting hard enough You know, I'm sure if you click on a random part in the video, I might not be saying anything sure whatever You Absolutely fuck you because I might not be saying anything when you literally leave It's the same reason you watch shows with your friends you want to watch it with other people Right and actually this is I think maybe my only disagreement that you had jay The only only disagreement So maybe we'll get a little bit of blood sports.   You know what that like that? The whole point of it is that it puts like youtube videos on your home page that you're going to enjoy So what is the what's the difference there? What's that? What is that twitch streamer providing that the audience member couldn't get for themselves by literally just going to youtube So I think the videos that field of them.  It's like jay you were wrong This is a thing and then jay's like, oh well youtube does that anyway and she's like no, I agree I agree completely now talk about video You're going to talk about the video game example that I addressed on stream And then proceeds to explain what it is exactly it's like Okay, you can do yourself and then there's also the aspect of like skill and so video games I think are great or whatever, but I think the more important part or whatever was the like you can't there's no point of watching something a second time You already watched it. Maybe what if you're where are you going? What is this?  What's going on? She she wandered off like twice She wandered onto something that wasn't important when she was done with it. She wandered onto something else. This is like What Crazy, I feel like jay at this point would have just been like I feel like I've missed the point I don't know But can you answer the question You're watching it with some other people or something or it's been a long time You might rewatch the video, but once you watch the video one place It's pretty unlikely that you're going to go back and watch it again So I understand this perspective And this is just my opinion. I think that like People who are watching content on twitch curated twitch content on twitch Aren't necessarily people that would be watching content on youtube She used to say they wouldn't now. She's saying they aren't necessarily people which is like true Because you can't beat that she said she's one of those people. Yeah, and then who knows what else is coming next You never know. I almost think it keeps on streamed on youtube I would agree with you It's possible that it's on watching my content hurt me and it's possible that like I've missed out on this or whatever. Um, I just I just disagree. I think I don't I don't think that you are I I don't think that and maybe maybe I'm this is my opinion because I'm a react streamer or whatever But I'm not sure most honest thing. She said in a long time Maybe I only agree with this because I am also Hasan. It's like, yeah You gotta validate the guy on top so that everyone beneath him is sort of yeah I I can only go based on the polls that I took It doesn't feel like people who watch content on twitch necessarily would watch that content on youtube Personally, I'm really huge youtube watcher I just don't I disagree with your opinion on this but I don't what part of that What part of that to disagree with I feel like I just went through it all like step by step Well, what part do you think that I am missing that?   I don't I don't actually understand the point of this other than I think she wanted to try and come across as like hyper reasonable I don't understand Wait, how is she further away from her backpack than when she started? No, she's not oh, that's to the backpack. Okay. Yeah, that's to that She made three dollars since then since that stream the original someone heard this and they took their money back. They're like, no Like it. I don't want her out in public streaming I want her next to her roommate bed I'm because I mean I just went through like I I lined out the argument from like a to b to c to d And and then always I was like your opinion is the the opposite. I just I don't If there's overlap and they catch it on the streamer's Channel first before they catch the actual youtube video, then they're probably not going to watch the youtube video, right? Sure, but I already agreed with this I just don't know if Hassan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively I'm sure you guys remember this And if it did what Jay just said was the negative comes in when Hassan viewing it takes away views on my youtube And then she says yeah, I never disagreed with that. I don't know how severely I just don't have access to that kind of information. This one is Jay saying. I'm not sure if there's a negative I can't know that and now look at her reaction How would it impact? How would it impact you negatively? the fog Sure, I but I already agreed with this huh If you're on twitch see here's my point. There's my point about like how like I think youtube reacts to oh Well, we'll notice here the bed is on the right and in the debate the bed is on the left Oh my god These are two different p this is the mirror universe version of her taking over Who didn't remember all the things that the other version said? That's why that explains it all it's all coming together. You see it does make sense after all Ha this streamer does have good writing Boom curious how how she would deal with seeing herself present opinions that contradict so close to each other Like I wonder if she would see that and be like those on me. They're not me. I don't know what I don't know how she'd CGI I YouTube content is probably it can be negative But like if you're already on twitch, you're not even on youtube. You know what I mean? So you were never if it was youtube it would be a negative But if it's a son on twitch and you on youtube then it's not even though she agrees that it is Don't worry about it. If they're on a different platform.  How do you know? Sure I'm getting a little confused here guys. I don't understand what I pointed anymore.  Like I have to click my my all my moving my arm the click is just I'm desperate to show that I provide some service Please. Oh, I'm definitely earning my my folly. I can't That's so embarrassing if you're saying that my job description is to save people Clicking and moving their wrists, you know an inch and it's insulting to your audience Totally as they should not be happy that she's making this. They don't know what they want But I know what they want of going and scrolling through youtube and clicking on recommend it's they want a streamer Yeah, like I mean you have you ever scroll through youtube for a while and not found a single video that you want to watch Really? um Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, um, listen, thank you both for coming on and that's it because she doesn't disagree with anything else She just concedes everything.  Get out of here. Get back to my own check. Um, don't worry about I suppose it's not blood sports. I'm sure Abandoned video. It's trashed. This is like not good, dude. This is not good Um, yeah, just that was that was me throwing in a clip of what she'd said about that video But compared to now, which is just like, oh, I agree with you. Yeah, because remember not good that that most of it was Just worthless and it was only the last couple of minutes.  I don't I don't think it was a very uh controversial opinion People had a good time anyway. Okay, and um, I'll uh, I'm gonna gonna bounce. I'll catch you later. Okay. All right. Bye Hey, my boy. Thanks. Bye. Bye I think he seemed to get a little bit lost in the sauce. How long was their conversation like I want to say half hour 40 minutes something like that Um, but a lot of it was just really short like semantically just getting around Some small thing and then being like oh, so we agree. Yes It was just like pointless. We agree move. Yeah, move on. See the main things I want to highlight was that she felt back on basically all of her opinions Jesus, but Will she go back on them again? Oh, no. Oh my goodness gracious Not over Because the reason I know this information is because for a while. I literally didn't understand why people watched me Which is fair You know what I mean? Like I'm very hard on myself. It's because you're pretty so I You're hard on yourself and you're hard on your content.  I don't know. Oh, it's the thing Okay, cool. I'm I'm probably gonna make a video about this. It's like way more Compact because I actually have a lot of opinions about it.   I doesn't justify it Do that because Or sorry, sorry, sorry, I don't think it actually adds any value for a streamer to be a curator of sorts However, it doesn't change the fact that people watch streams because their favorite streamer is a curator You can't what would you do if you came to the realization That your role on the internet your job what you do Doesn't have any value I feel like that'd be a very That'd be quite the come to jesus moment in your mind.  I should be like wow you think that about the stuff that you're doing exactly I'd be like what happened. Are you okay? Like that didn't even register to me that she because like who's saying that?  I'd feel bad if what I do didn't provide any value That definitely did I would worry me. I'd be like, what am I doing with my life?  I don't need to mean to chat Chat does not know what they want. Okay So yeah, like there's plenty of times I don't know why everyone was feigning ignorance as if like the algorithm always pushes you really good content That you're always not what jay said They said you ask j Uh, have you ever scrolled through all of youtube recommended and not found a single video that works for you? And jay was like no Which is not the same as oh, so they always provide like all the videos that recommended a good for you.  That is so yeah, like there's plenty of times I don't know why everyone was feigning ignorance as if like the algorithm always pushes you really good content That you'll always love it's like Yeah, like I mean You have you ever scrolled through youtube for a while and not found a single video that you want to watch Really? Really I mean though she's like And it just makes a video Editing it's great I do want to say that while I didn't like the video She made her bed. She did make the bed. She made her bed. She made her bed Harassment towards jay at all. So please be cool. Don't do that. I agree with denims.  There's no reason to go anywhere nothing else you could do Yeah, thank you. Okay, cool. So why did I hate the majority of this video two primary reasons A the content looked incredibly spite driven with terrible optics b the content was repetitive So the main gripes for the video spite driven I believe and it was boring Wow, this is probably a pretty good video then if that's all you got Wait, this is she's making this video after she talked to jay. Yeah, right and and said I don't disagree with you on anything substantive except the point about uh Whatever the fuck they talked about briefly where jay got really confused long boring and took way too long to get to the point section jay's video Even if it wasn't up until the final section of the video the majority of it is just jay talking about how much he Absolutely disliked as son using his content as filler content filler content in this context Meaning content that's being used for when a streamer is eating or is going to be walking away from the stream and not not going to be there jay talks about these frustrations in The most deranged manner in my the most deranged manner. So this is probably the best time to say What what was it worth it jay? The most deranged jay. Yeah, you're These people don't deserve it. They don't deserve it They don't deserve it jay has been described as most deranged White driven and most deranged. There is none other More deranged than jay. He is the apex deranged Nice Tumble exhibit feel like it's gotta be like uh, I don't know like someone who has a disability or something, right? Um, I'm not sure what part of this messy weird house has made his son conclude. Hmm.    Oh, I think they actually do talk about the the disabled comment briefly But the fact is all that happens is jay just does what I've done in this video It's like so he said the thing and she's like, oh, yeah, but yeah Oh, I think she actually pulls the card that uh, he was responding to one in chat and jay said well Uh, that definitely wasn't clear with the context But maybe and I'm like, I'm not willing to say maybe I'm almost certain that from the context You can tell that Hassan was not responding to chat He was just saying it right as an example of like who he believes probably lived there because he's an idiot Hassan had come back to stream and seen chat Making assumptions about the homeowner because the house was so messy to which he proceeded to say It's possible that the homeowner could be disabled Really hitching her wagon of this argument. Yeah, she's tried this so many times Just so I can watch it run but each to their own a Very not I feel like it's it's gotta be like uh, it's gotta be I don't know like someone who has a disability or something right like it doesn't make any sense And I don't really think it's a controversial opinion at all Like all this shit she keeps adding to what he said is so annoying It's like even saying any of the shit that you're adding stop it The thing that someone who's physically disabled wouldn't have the same abilities to keep their house clean And I also don't think it's too controversial to say that someone with So here we're seeing the uh the the limitations of Recording yourself when you're like right next to the microphone The microphone is in front of you. Yeah, what's your in full?  Why what are you doing? What are you doing here? I don't know. That's how you use it. I'm pretty sure I well because if you had it further away, you wouldn't have to talk in a tone That is so low that it comes across as incredibly unnatural Yeah, this sounds like a person speaking quietly. That is then after the fact bumped up in volume Doesn't sound natural guys. I'm I'm fringy. Welcome to I'm talking about today I'm going to be talking about like this video made by gents like that's not my voice You know, that's not that's not the that's not the volume that I speak at normally But it sounds really awkward.  Yeah Don't be so don't try and be so performative that it takes away from A natural way Yeah We haven't talked about it, but we've talked about it before you get rid of all the All those sounds when you move further away from the microphone Do it all the time in editing.  It's neurotypical neurodivergent, right? These are the Yeah Why why why are these the terms now because implying that someone isn't normal is offensive? We have to come up special Neuro so it's neurodivergent is okay, right these typical and atypical is like normal abnormal Well atypical exactly divergent means not normal It means that it diverges from the mean Yeah So I don't I don't know that there's any way that you can have a term that describes something that is atypical Without it necessarily describing it as atypical The fact that you need to categorize it as something in and of itself means that it's All right, whatever shimbo like me could think of jay instead Just assumes that hassan is being ableist for really asking that the homeowner Well, I mean you would know what it you would know what it means to assume things right like when you assumed This was all bad faith and spike driven and and and the like you just said It is a bad move to have just assumed that hassan was being ableist. Can you think of anybody who assumed anybody was being ableist? No, I can't think of it And it was evident the moment that like hassan said that like it's possible This person has a disability instead of saying like oh like this could be true You make fun of him for it or something like which is very strange and also like low-key kind of ableist of you But this isn't the only time jay does this this happens a few times in the videos jay apparently Decided to do a stream sort of mocking or satirizing Hissan's reaction to his video Previewed here. Yeah, is it be similar to jack's films. I went live to satirize You're just putting it across the whole video If we start at the entrance you're greeted by a minion's brand doormat that's really no home is complete without sure But I think we might have found the toilet soda culprit here I know that jay actually has valid points and wants something that's actually actionable However, the first time I watched this all I could think Holy fuck. This is so incredibly cringe It wasn't cringe when hassan did it but What at what point does it become cringe?  She finds too cringe. I just don't even get it It's just funny It's absurd. It's funny I thought she was criticizing jay for being ableist in this segment No, the reason this segment is playing is a different reason.   That's got nothing to do Never what jay's point was but okay out of hassan and that's why he made the video Even though jay states that they made the video for entirely different reasons the other big She knows the true reason part of this video that feels incredibly spite driven lacking Charitability and super low effort is what i would like to call the reading youtube comments section So let's talk about that first point. Yeah, what was that? I don't know what that was. This is our edited video This is what people do when you this is it's just edits for their own sake I guess does she think that like everybody in the audience would be like, oh my god, he read comments Oh, wow. Oh my goodness gracious. I hope he don't no more. No more. I can't look Reading comments It tastes awful And why jay has decided to take any youtube commentators seriously listen, okay I Do not care about youtube. Hey comments if you are We will find out about that In two seconds writing a youtube comment about why you dislike someone or something so much I do not value or respect your opinion. It's okay. We make a video though Wow Yeah, you can make a whole video and edit it. That's fine, but to type something out in a comment section Ugh, I don't care. That's that would be the weird thing to do the video thing is the normal thing to do Oh, yeah, but type just typing out something with your keyboard that they remembered to plug on That that's I guess it's funny. What if Hassan typed in the comment saying wow, this is pretty bad video denims I might have believed that you don't you wouldn't care about that. Oh, I don't care. It's a youtube comment Well, if she said if you spend more than five seconds writing a hate comment So as long as you wrote that in under five seconds, you'll be fine Okay, right Every single sigma.    It's like wow So you got really mad over something that was pretty innocuous Um, you betrayed your principal by shitting on someone because that's not sure how many people are familiar with that quote I can't remember where the quote comes from but it's keep hating your life working class Andy It's a very interesting thing to say as a purported socialist, but I but Well, remember that remember we had that quote I remember when uh, someone in his chat is like, dude, I work in retail and you're saying all retail workers hate their lives I do not hate my life and then it's on bansum yeah, like Banned for not hating his life, you know what? No, I mean that you don't want that's that's pretty sigma right getting really mad It's something that in one of his chat has said and they're batting them and yelling at them We no reason and it is so agonizing Do you want to know why it's agonizing because those people aren't worth the time What you well depends if they say something that's correct If they say something that's correct it might be worth hating their advice I mean, why can't you just expand this to everyone you disagree with isn't worth the time You could if you wanted to of course, she's with the time a youtube comment is literally what the line is Apparently it's a whole video about it. You could make a stream responding to that person But if that person is a youtube commenter who's commenting to you directly about your work, then you Ignore it.  We're mentioning so much about this because you know It would be nice to look at maybe the comments on her video about jay now I say this because i'm gonna ask you all Don't go look there is a section in this video that will address all of that and it is quite Oh, we don't want spoilers. No spoilers No spoilers in this three. They are never worth it now to my next never worth it never It absolutely boggles my mind that jay decided to react to youtube comments and not even attempt to try and steel Man any of them exhibit a i'm not the biggest to saan fan But I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat So I don't feel like it's that bad that he does this everyone's doing it. So it's okay That's what they say. Yeah, I think it's bad that everyone's doing this But also this is literally just an appeal to popularity fallacy. Um Next nailed it.  Yeah, they managed to almost perfectly make exactly what jay had mentioned Instead of making an actual attempt to try and engage with this comment Then you do it instead. Tell me what they mean. She did earlier. Remember she was like, oh, what they mean is that the streamer does this because they need to eat And it's like we'll know because the way that the argument is formed.  It's wrong I Will react content on some level seems to come off as spite driven instead jay takes this straw man For no reason straw man. It's the literal interpretation. Are you supposed to do with that? And so yeah, if that's not where your point is be a better commenter back to point a Why are you spending any time at all on youtube comments? If you're not even gonna try and glean something of value from them because you already told me There's nothing of value in them.  What in the world?  What are you? What are you crazy? It's crazy Just give me money for not working Care about principles and morals and values and producing a good show so, um Denim's does not speak for all streamers nor ever should that be a position she fails We've got plenty of streamers who will stop their stream when they feel they have to deal with life stuff Ever and this is what I mean when I say it's completely reasonable That people who watch this viewed it as a clout sharking bitter Don't try to justify the interpretation that you want She's just called herself completely reasonable Oh, I'm sorry. How did how did you get clout shark from him suggesting maybe end your stream if you need to eat food How's that? Okay Video telling streamers to end their stream Insanity when they need downtime And then saying yeah downtime means not streaming.  You're not working. You're having downtime. These are two different things You want a double dip? You want them both? I want to get money from you But I want to not do anything You want to be paid for not working And that that's not the way the world is nor should it be that way Just use an afk screen dude these people they find that like sacrilegious like how dare you suggest an afk screen.  What if you can guess the point I'm making here? She says too much our relevance says not enough It's like you can't win Here it is. Okay, is this it Oh, here we go. Thank you chatter I am here for investigative purposes. Okay. I'm a journalist. I'm a political journalist. All right I'm here for investigative purposes. All right. I need to make sure that the content stays untainted So don't tell me to react harder.   This goes on for 11 minutes This goes on for 11 minutes Oh, no Turn off right now if you're interested in purchasing it and I think that there's two main problems with this A it detracts from the video a lot. It makes the video about his personal grievances with hasan instead of A video about the general state of react content on twitch and the second problem is just I think it's unnecessary It adds absolutely nothing to the video You don't think that your job is necessary. You don't think your job is necessary You think that you have a valueless job So I don't care what you have to say about whether his video has a purpose or not Get a life the opening of jay's video is all about there being a problem with react Styles and it started on youtube at one point got crushed and now it's building up on twitch. It's like the whole intro And then Use asan as an example you complete that section and jay gives him like a Almost scores the reaction and then he's like why is this bad and he explains why and then looks at counter arguments to that Like the video is very structured He can't tell though. You just know what that looks like Boring I didn't want to watch it and I was forced to watch it and it just ends up coming off As an unintentionally petty So what was jay's point in total hassan ended up not even spending two minutes talking as he let my 14 minute video play in full He's very clearly leaning on my video to entertain his audience for him in this situation This is the downtime He has no choice but to take because of his choice to stream for 13 hours a day jinks definitely did worse in the matter of Actually adding something to the content But neither of them have done well at all jinx the very least did shout out the original video and put a Link to it in his description. It's even right at the top of his description So you don't have to click show more to see it good stuff link to the original video is in the description If you just want to see some random It adds absolutely nothing to the video It's very boring. I didn't want to watch it and I was forced to watch it And it just ends up coming off as an unintentionally petty Jay's so chill. I just disagree. He's so chill. Jay's Now there is some genuinely good stuff in this video like really good stuff in this video But you have to get to the very end of it, which I did for you guys Like the while you watch the video. Thank you so much for watching a video for me to give me this Shit, this is just crapped out commentary on it. I like you so much I'll correct you Richard So glad that you did that for me a streamer can do is to show The content creator and the video title on screen and post the link in chat after watching it It really just isn't that much of a hassle to give credit where credit is due Especially when you're using it as entertainment for your stream. All right, cool. Yay That was a really nice short little section. Great now moving on to the depressing category Category two filler content Okay, so one of the more interesting distinctions made in this video is about the Comedy chasm between Jay and her. I know right. It's not fair They shouldn't even be attempting comedy. She's just putting in sound effects randomly. It's fun though It's fun This is like draining my life force. Why why did you why are we watching this? It's just no don't let it drain your life force. That's how she that's how she wins She convinces you that you need someone to click next on the video. No, no, you're you're right.  I got you fam. That is interesting. She's both vapid and dense at the same time I know how does that possible? I think like the life force gets sucked in and just gets consumed and repelled out as a message of come here for sustenance and then it's never provided She is the energy vampire from uh, what we do in the shadows. We found her Additional react content and filler content Traditional react content aka content that's transformative or add something to the video because of the reactions versus filler content Aka content that streamers use when they need to take a break to use the bathroom or get food Now, why do I think that this is a worthwhile distinction? Because the complaint of this video is not simply React harder as so many people have made it out to be He literally did say react harder The complaint is more so react At all and I think it's incredibly fair for a content creator to not want their content kind of incredible that she said that You said it out loud. Yeah, a lot of them just never seem to address that they constantly run to react harder instead of react at all Is she complaining that jay is making more than one point in a video? He's definitely gonna try and explain how jay did everything wrong To be used as filler content and I think it gets to the heart of the problem This is something that all streamers or at least all big streamers do Eventually if you're going to be streaming for five six seven eight nine ten hours You're going to need downtime for most no not five hours. Certainly or even six. I'd say we're up to eight That's not even that's not even true at that point.  Yeah, why not?  Why stop there? What about when you're sleeping at night? What what about then? Yeah, why don't you drop viewers at night when you're sleeping? Well, why why shouldn't I give me a principle give me any reason? Why I can't just have someone else's video play as filler in between when I'm in front of the webcam Why why stop there? Why stop at that? Why can't I do it while I'm sleeping?  Yeah, what if he rags takes like a really quick naps off an hour naps every hour Wakes up every half an hour. That was a good video guys. Here's the next one. Yep Going on to entertain chat. Does that mean it's okay to use filler content without people's permission? No That's not what I'm saying. No, okay. What I am saying is I think it's fucked up That streamers essentially steal content and use it as back Interesting Okay, don't want to entertain chat. However, however, I also recognize it's probably never going to stop Happening. Oh, it's going to stop honey.  You don't know what it's like. You're not ready for that.   So I guess my find hell's kitchen Bad to do I can tell you that is a bad thing to do.  Yeah, so it's about what can I get away with not what's right?  It's what can I get away with? This is that toxic horrible attitude that it's like I was talking last week about the the beer commercial stuff And and yeah, it's the exact same thing It's this is the opposite mentality and it's going to come down like a ton of bricks And if it doesn't it'll be a miracle if for whatever reason these massive companies just allow twitch streamers to make twitch money By just streaming their content I'm shocked. It's gone on this long. I don't know never should have gotten this far. It's unreal that it did and I'll point Yeah, I don't know why I just think that if jade's video was structured a bit better And maybe some of these positives were put in the front of the video People might have been more convinced that there is a real problem And that the video isn't just a complaint about react harder But the only people who had a problem with this are crazy people. This is jade's video is a litmus test for reasonability Yes Because of the way it is structured. Yeah, that's exactly what happened Now when I cover other people's work like this, there are a few kinds of etiquette that I feel it's important to stick to basically Don't take the piss in a reaction video the reactor should still be adding stuff and creating content of their own Otherwise, what's the point of watching their reaction over the original? This is what she was talking about the distinction between filler and React content video the content that the reactor creates should be at least different enough from the original work That they have created something of their own Right at the beginning Do these people think that filler content as they call it is a commercial break No, no, no, it's it's almost like you're looking at it backwards She's saying that we have a piece of content and we can use it as filler or we can transform it That's what she's saying And obviously our issue with them is when they use it as filler, which is that they just put it on and they walk off or eat or whatever um That's what she means when she's refers to this filler content I just I'm baffled by the fact that jay like You know preloads the video with all the stuff she wants and she just doesn't fucking remember this So stupid I just think that if jay's video was structured a bit better and maybe some of these positives were put in the front of the video People might have been more convinced that there is a real problem and that the video isn't just a complaint about react harder I think jay makes this crucial mistake of trying to compare jinx a react youtuber to hasan a react streamer For those who haven't watched jay's video There's like 10 minutes dedicated to explaining the react meta on youtube many years ago And he uses the example of jinx and compares it to the modern twitch streamers That react to content today like hasan and I think it's a fundamentally flawed analogy I would like to try to argue that people who watch react content on twitch Are separate from the group of people that watch react content on youtube I'm arguing this based on two very except for the times are the same people Twitch chat versus youtube comments I know for a fact that my viewing pleasure of a stream is greatly increased by the quality and humor Of a live chat that I can read and participate in You can't listen to chat chat doesn't even know what the fuck they want And while yes, there are some really funny streamers on twitch. I'd argue some of these chats Might be equally as funny if not funnier than the streamer most of the time And I think other viewers would agree that having a live chat completely changes the viewing experience Usually for the better. There just simply isn't anything like this in a youtube react video What about live chat or premiere chat? Yeah, exactly Do you do you think she doesn't know how youtube works? Do you think she doesn't know about those? Because they're relatively new the thing we're doing right now.  She doesn't know you exist. So should we be shocked? She's she's just to the left of you on screen. She doesn't even know about you.  What what was the metric that you decided youtube comments suck and twitch chat is great I'm sure there's no bias here I could stream whereas I'd argue that a youtube comment section 99.99% of the time adds absolutely nothing to the original youtube react video and your twitch stream does She's genuinely wrong if you look at Like especially after a decent amount of time the top paragraph level comments underneath basically any video on youtube A lot of it will usually add to the topic or have a correction or an appreciation about what the video is done The idea That it adds nothing while twitch chat on the other hand. Oh twitch chat just the best Everyone knows twitch chat changes the whole video experience I absolutely value the comments on youtube videos. I will I will read them as I listen to the video I will click on a video and I will get what people are saying what they think about it If I mean I read our comments all the time.  She has no idea what she's talking about.  Okay, but boy, she confident about it I have a brilliant idea. We should open our own movie theater We don't pay the studios for any of the movies. We just steal them.  Oh, yeah, and then when we get sued we say but the chat Transforms the movie experience your honor. It's different The one thing you're missing is every once in a while a thing comes up big animation with fireworks that says, you know Like like Sniper ghost 333 has subscribed and then someone's voice just goes uh Sniper goes 333 Thank you Thank you so much there, no, in the middle of the tear jerking scene where like the main characters love interest is dying You hear the robot voice say oh well, oh well 111111 Hey, don't forget the little pepe faces bouncing around like Like oh, yes, we need that to gotta have those those are great You see and then you've transformed a bit. I could totally see a courtroom in like you've ruined the video. I guess Transforming right And again, I want to be clear I am also chat don't panic too much. We are 46 28 into a 53 56 video So it's almost over you get in there seven minutes ish No way saying that chat alone can make the content transformative I am only saying that chat can help push people to choosing to watch content on twitch Rather than watching the content by themselves.  Go away She just argued accidentally for how this is bad. She just said like twitch chat We'll make it so that people will choose to watch the video through a streamer than on its own Yeah, so okay fine point you want to be make yeah, she's just added a point to our team Thank you for that one We'll pop that in our hospital Thanks, I'm glad you put your nice dress on to make a point for us. That's really kind of you Presentation there is very good Moving on to point number two react streamers acting as curators. This is not a point Go ahead one thing that you do when you edit videos She doesn't know this because she doesn't know anything about YouTube But if you're going to type out in text factor number two then don't say point number two Yeah, you want your your words in the text to match somewhat You know, it's generally generally something but I'm not a twitch streamer. So maybe they do it different I was gonna say would you know weirdo? Yeah, you just do YouTube. You don't know anything. Essentially. I want to argue That viewers are actively choosing to watch content on twitch instead of YouTube for a variety of reasons I for one know that the YouTube algorithm has a terrible habit of not showing you stuff outside of your usual viewing habit I must get really annoying The way that her right she's got those big-ass fake eyebrows, right? The way that the right one Her right It's the bottom of her hair all the time. Yeah, you see like it really bug because I've got long hair I know it's it can be very annoying to have long hair sometimes But with those brows con every time you it's rubbing against your own hair right now You have to feel that you know, it's happening. You mean eyelashes, right my brows Yeah, yeah eyelashes my bad my bad her eyebrows are legit totally But her eyelashes the one they're the ones going up and down, right?  I don't need you Natural eyelashes whenever you stop maybe blinking a couple times per second. You don't want to lift off You know you want to you want to that's true You don't want to generate lifts and accidentally float away and appear as Hassan might appear with an empty chair Maybe that's why her bed is constantly unmade she makes it here But she ends up lifting off and flying back so much and landing on the bed that it gets messed up That's gotta be it just the sheer wind force from her eye with lashes. Just knock all the sheets off. Yeah, the cat gets blown around I can't count the number of times that content creators I found through twitch I would have never found through YouTube because it's so drastically different from the content that I habitually consume on YouTube Or how about when you're scrolling It's so interesting that she's so sure of that when she couldn't possibly know Yeah, it's like all right you you said it and she said that like recommended will only really give you stuff You're interested in ever things like outside of that. That's new. It's like. Sorry. That's not true Recommended sometimes throw stuff in there where I'm like, what is that?  This is all so irrelevant.   Yeah, this was two parts of one video. My heart just dropped No You got a whole week to recharge save for you chat. Don't worry. I'm streaming for 12 hours tomorrow. I have to know Nothing looks interesting or you're feeling too lazy to keep looking for something that does look interesting Or when you just want like a 10 minute video So you can have something while you're eating but instead YouTube is literally only recommending you three hour videos about why Rebecca sugar is a fascist But that's wrong. That's not what YouTube's doing.  That's not no that is not indicative of reality. You are lying that is not true This is why I went to it was like no and then she was like, okay being unreasonable I pretty much exclusively only watch YouTube stuff through Recommendeds it's very rare that I go to something specifically just because my recommendations are numerous and it I mean I know myself pretty well.  Twitch stream that doesn't even make sense. What if you watch a desperate to give herself value? Oh, I know right look at let's just pretend for a second. I'm just doing my stream I'm like guys.   I'm out It's like, oh whoops me as a curator. I've not I've not done a good job there.   Yes And I want to be clear I'm not saying that this adds value to the content at all I am only arguing that these are reasons why people actively choose to go to twitch dude I could make a whole list of reasons why people do this doesn't change the fact that it's bullshit. Yes Over YouTube and I want to illustrate that by pointing out something very important viewers are Incredibly lazy and yes, that means you whichever stream has a chat that is currently watching this. Yes, you know Hey, you've out chat. How you doing?  It's like, oh I don't know. I don't know what she's saying No one is free from sin Companies will literally dump thousands of dollars if not millions of dollars to make their platforms as User-friendly as possible. Yes, you know what Twitter only dropped thousands of dollars on this one Why would you say of course they spend millions of dollars? Making it as user-friendly as possible. Does she mean as intuitive and smooth and fast? Well, sorry, I mean you guys will and try very hard to make that you UI as It's not to account for laziness. It's just to give you the quickest and easiest and most efficient experience Well, it's not really about laziness It's it's much more so about people's capacity to understand the functionality of their platform I remember there was a bit in Silicon Valley that was talking about this where they tested their program with developers and all the developers Fucking loved it But of course they did because developers are familiar with the technology But then when it was introduced to regular people that had no idea how to use it.   That's a great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you If someone primarily watches content on YouTube, there are less steps for them to take to watch your specific content on YouTube They've already overcome the first hurdle, which is making their way to YouTube calm Whereas someone who watches content Jesus Christ, man making their way to YouTube calm the big first step You're like, are we babies?  Primarily on twitch is way less likely to have gone to YouTube and looked for your content to watch Let's say in a hypothetical where a streamer uploads their reaction to let's say a prank video and their reaction adds a total of 30 seconds to the runtime now a random YouTube user looks up epic prank video and what do they see they see two videos The first is Ex-QC reacts to epic prank and the second is the original video epic prank The unfortunate reality is that if the viewer likes ex-QC even a little bit They're always going to click on the reaction video and what I always that that's actually a breeze That's a big claim to make they will always even if they like him a little bit But if we can be clear here, first of all, I don't agree with it. Secondly, this helps us a lot Yeah, it does because I highlights the problem Which is that people don't get traction from this what you do because they never get the traction because I'd rather watch Ex-QC react to it. Well, yeah, just saying like new Kenobi trailer.  Well, I was gonna find out so I can't remember this anymore I don't know what to say the original video and that to me feels like really true Stolen viewership in the example. I'm highlighting this user has already overcome two major hurdles and finding your content They're already on the website. You create content YouTube and they're already looking at content that you may Ah, so the point will be that on Twitch They're not doing either of those things. So it's fine. It's okay to steal on Twitch as long as it's from a different platform Yeah It's okay for me to watch it because it is less likely that they would have found it organically. Is that the point? Yep, so I can artificially steal it. It's got it's nothing to do the action itself For them. It's about transforming the content.  It's like again comes back to the hold. You have no pride You have no shame. You just at all none of that's ticking in there. I guess Literally stealing shit, but it's like yeah But if if we had those two universes running where she reacts to Jay's content and Jay's views go up by like one because of that And then it would have gone up by zero because of it had she never reacted.   I don't care I that is another world that I'm not part of and don't care to be a part of react content Twitch are probably not the same category of people who are going to actively look for your specific content on Plus this isn't your decision to make she has no idea She's already admitted. This is a might not necessarily all these words to me. I have no idea Remember in the safety of this vague Possibility when Jay said I have no idea for sure. She disagreed but now in this video She's saying I don't know. It's like G