Welcome everybody to the PCP guys. It's time. We addressed the elephant in the room Which one? Dumbo get out of here Dumbo. It's like your film was racist That's the best guy ever joining it won't pay me back the $20.  This is the last time.  We've got Tommy Oliver.  It's spoken about in hushed language around the campfire in the wee hours of the mourn Wondering what is it? When is it coming? Is it even real? Well folks today? We're going to reveal all I've been really excited to talk about this topic for a while Like it's no secret that the PCP has been like a cagey mess recently And I really want to try and be open as possible.  That's me. I know guys This is all great But we have to say first of all this episode is coming out in the context of when this comes out We are two weeks into our current rad com 3 arena Kickstarter Everybody please this is the most important thing if you're a patron You know and you only got so much money allocate those funds to the Kickstarter because we need that thing to go Oh, man, I'm a red cross like a mini prototype of what everything I would discuss here Y'all don't need to all y'all need to say is if you pledge $50 you get a t-shirt. It's a good t-shirt Yeah, don't don't make don't pledge too many though because then I have to make all of them by hand I'm a weak-willed little boy. He's weaving But they'll be they'll be handcrafted with love each and every one of them put Tom They'll be a randomized Like still from the gift that is the logo of arm retrieval.  They must be up to something special That's what you're gonna look like if you wear these t-shirts You may have come to Anthrocon alone and friendless every year up to this point in your life But if you strut in there wearing a rad con three t-shirt, let me just say your life's gonna change That's all by the way if for those who don't know rad con is a gathering of us if you didn't understand We didn't mention that at all Click the link to the kickstart link in the description to the Kickstarter read everything It's big. It's gonna be exciting. We've done rad con one and two. Of course. It's great And everybody on this episode right now is going to be there Advertising method of like pretending we're extremely desperate but in like a ski like we're all trying to like jokingly Manipulate people into buying the shirts. That's the advertising strategy. Isn't that how advertising works in general.  It's just a ski V monster mix that that's all that we aren't talking about It's the worst parts of real-life advertising and internet advertising combined into an amorphous beast Reason we're doing this episode today can we actually talk about the actual The Urban Dictionary definition of PCPH Right now I'm doing it right now. It's loading slower. I did actually find that already a place that seems to get further and further Way as human scientific knowledge improves about a hundred years ago Third flying airplanes it wasn't there so it moved right above the atmosphere Finally we send people in the outer space into the moon. It wasn't there either. So now PCP HQ is past Pluto somewhere What is this? Yeah, we gotta get there.  First of all, here's the definition of PCP Oh, also known as angel dust probably the scariest of all drugs was used as a horse tranquilizer Makes the user hallucinate because extremely violent and not feel anything I gotta I gotta say that it's a little ironic that we would name our show after what initially started as a horse tranquilizer Oh My god, holy shit, how is this?  That's that's rad con. That's rad con three real talk real talk How unlikely do you think it is for a PCP fan to get a college degree? I know I know they're they're out there doing like we encourage people to drop out I Someone asked me about college I would absolutely tell them not to go unless they're going into a certain specific Yeah, I would never tell anyone to not go to college. I'm always I'm very consistent on this point have a plan Whatever you know man If you need to go to college the numbers prove that it's it's increasingly a waste of time and money Well, then I think do the nut I've been real hard on college a lot in my life, but recently I've started to rethink that I think I've wasted my entire life doing this instead of actually going to college and getting a degree and I've been I keep myself every single night for that for the past we're forgetting the real reason We don't want anybody who watches the PCB to go to colleges so they can use that money instead to fund PCP HQ That's right One last thing here guys listen to the definition of just the word headquarters from Urban Dictionary aka HQ One a central place for a group or organization.  That's how I'm way. Oh, that's that's exactly it. That was the plan That's what we're gonna do that those two definitions are like what we want the PCP HQ to be and what it's inevitably going to All right guys, let's let's get it. Yeah, let's talk about the basic broad concepts like what is the PCP HQ? Let's start there for all the uninitiated Okay, so the PCP HQ just to go over the bear facts is you should check out our patreon page We talk a little bit about it on there, but what it is is it is the the Magical dream realm place that we all imagine of the members of the PCP being able to live in Proximity and then come to the HQ to work together to make our collaborative projects Similar to what happens with the the ride-con stuff Of course, that's a different animal because we all gather Ultimate goal is basically to make the red-letter media set up because those guys are a bunch of like 35 year old filmmaker buddies who have a similar sense of humor and style So they all moved into the same place and rented out a studio and that allowed them to make much higher quality products And what's typical on YouTube and since we all like to be quality over quantity type of guys as much as we can YouTube kind of necessitates you to fucking just churn shit out, but like, you know Red-letter media has got like a real fucking successful patreon and real healthy view counts off of like putting out a video once every couple of weeks You know because they can really go all in on making the quality maximized And we think we are people with like strong enough Personalities in chemistry to carry a show obviously we can do this show But like this shows growth potential is nothing compared to what could be if we could raise our production quality and really attract people to this this motley Underground niche crew, you know, so again and in layman's terms PCP HQ is all of the PCP members living in proximity aka like in the same city and having some sort of space where they can record You know studio type stuff and do new I couldn't do over the internet real quick I don't even want to give people the impression that like because whatever we say that red-letter media stuff I feel like people imagine it's just gonna be the plebe in the weave or like other half in the bag You know ripoff or like a fucking best of the worst ripoff shows But I also think of it as like all right You know like when Seth Rogan and James Franco and they've got like all their friends and they all just live in Hollywood So they make movies together just because they all live in the same place and they're all comedians like that's also what I see PCP HQ as it's like well what any random funny idea that we just can't do by ourselves And we need like one other funny guy to be nearby like it's real convenient to have some stuff like that for say if you've Seen the collabs that me and Nate did when I went to your house. Yeah, I'll talk to work. I do it It's just like yeah, it's like a little four minute comedy video But like the way it's filmed and the idea of it like it couldn't have been done without both of us being there And like this specific combination of senses of humor even body type, you know, like it's yeah Into the joke of that video, you know, so it's like something that couldn't have happened with either of us alone Yeah, one of the big strengths of having the HQ is gonna be able to like increase the ability to make spontaneous spontaneous content because like if we have an idea you can just do it as opposed to me like well I want to do this idea with Digi. I got to track them down We got a plan on time we actually do something together and blah blah blah like it's just like you want to do it Man, yeah, we'll come on over and then that's it you sirs don't understand How much the fourth dimension adds to content like like the ability to be in the same room of something Someone automatically alters how the content flows. I even though like like I don't think I act any differently Online than I do offline. It's inevitable that just that just is the case It just is the case. I don't know how to stop it It just is the case and I think you know in all the Deagle nation types you know digital links and like here and all the sort of stuff like there I think I I think I have a certain flow in my you know natural Unscripted live action sort of stuff that I just can't replicate online because that's you know, it's just hard not in front of people I can't gauge things. So just being live action will really benefit like all of us and I mean just look at the Reaction of people to the lectures at PCP lectures That's the biggest proof. I think that it's there Look at those.  You can only have that sort of stuff in person I think there could be no debate that there's a lot of content that we can only make in that situation And and here's my main pitch to people people don't always think about this But if you want to Make your if you want to find yourself in a place where you're making like interesting or unique content You have to set yourself up in a position where you can succeed doing it. So like we could You know continue to like slave away on like projects just doing exactly what we're doing forever You know we could always do that But like the amazing thing to me is I like to think back to a moment in the Kingdom Hearts lecture that I never ever could have Planned I never would have thought to write this joke But the way it just emerged from this you know emergent gameplay of the lecture of playing off the people in the audience Was amazing and it was when when Jeff asked the question when I was talking about like nominate and in raucous and sore I had like they're all the same person and He just said like Nate so okay or mr.   I think there's another another tangible benefit Is because we're talking about like all this extra content we can do But I think another good thing to point out is that even the base PCP will increase dramatically in quality because so much of like Conversation and like interaction is non-verbal.  It's the energy when you're on the computer. It's too easy to like oh look to the side What's that bag of pretzels doing there look to the side? Oh, there's that glass of milk that I haven't taken downstairs now it has mold all over the top of it Yeah, well you're in person you can't do that You have to keep focus on the person you're talking to and it creates a you know a more natural Dynamic conversation It's like it's like when we did t-bap like like all the energy in t-bap was because we were doing it live And I remember like when we didn't live in this great Like we didn't want to keep doing t-bap because it wouldn't be the same to record it.  So that's all squared away That's all you know obvious that that's all incredible But here's the thing that also like like you know the PCP is about content, right?  I hope please. I Definitely want to hang out with everyone more. Yeah Do do like like, you know Let's play is it but not like for a video Just just having a place to go and be like, yeah, what are you working on?   What do you think? Yeah, you can all influence our content as it's being developed Cuz there's one thing that I've had like ideas and I've been told by like digi at least That I could send like my scripts to people to see what they think but it's it's I don't know It never really feels right to send a script that I'm working on even when I'm stuck to anybody but when I'm like I'm Because it's like it's more in the delivery and stuff Dude it is a thousand times. Let me tell you this is something I've gotten personally because I've been living with with my fiance now because she left her job to work for me and like Reading a script out loud to somebody else like you could just ask them like is that the right word? Like is that the word I wanted, you know or like is that funny and then they can go without yeah That was funny. You know like you watch them. You can see them laugh, and you're like, okay That's funny.  I don't want to feel I don't want to like make it sound like just give us money And this will happen like real fast I want to add just a little bit of a damper to this whole fun Conversation just to say this is a long-term goal that we're all working on and obviously if we're talking about the lives of like At least six people here that have to be like, you know financially economically You know housing situation has to be resolved and all that stuff takes like a lot of money and a lot of effort So in no way are we saying this like just get us to like right now on the PCP? Patron we say like give us five grand I think it's like per episode that we release and like we will start to make PCP HQ Yeah, it will not like officially be fully realized. We're definitely not going cuz like we're doing a Kickstarter for the Radcon 3 And that's like a temporary like oh, I want to meet up We want to jump together and just do some stuff and like make more content to like impress you all but like the actual getting over and everybody getting situated and you know ordering a studio that would never be like That won't be crown funded. It will just be like when we all have Enough money in order to support ourselves. We have income that we can rely on that's when it will happen We just need you know to bolster our own and and the PCP you know that it makes perfect sense It takes five thousand dollars to fund PC for to fund Radcon and that's for a week So if we release a video every week, and it's five thousand a video then that means it's a Radcon every week Keep in mind that this entire podcast is speculative and not at all like a promise Real murmurings of this nationalist ethnosnate ethnosnate live on air Yeah, well one of the main reasons we decided even to do this episode is like we've been talking we because we haven't had sat down and had a Super constructive conversation about this anyways. It's just it's just as much for us You guys are bothering me with this it's too far out is no real look I'm moving to Boston in June That's happening. So PCP HQ starts June 1st when I moved to Boston Until two PCP guys whoever shows up after me.   It's a it's it's on a spectrum like I have always Expected that me and Nate are probably gonna be the first ones to meet up because I'm I'm definitely moving Nate's probably gonna be ready to move before too long If we are all if we're all going to wherever Tom already is then he'll be there So I'm thinking like you know there's we don't have to wait for everybody else to show up before we start making videos You know like whoever's available is gonna be the initial crew of making like the live-action content Everybody else is gonna still probably be in the audio only version You know and like I expect that to basically exist until everybody shows up, you know And it'll be like all right.  What is the PCP to everyone else? Here I'll say I'll say what I perceive the PC to be to be to me Sort of like a weekly world war like with each member being like a mighty empire like each rich and culture in their own Right banding together to duke it out intellectually and physically each Sunday to appease our Suzerain 15,000 fold no should definitely mean identity should be appealed like should be appearing on these podcasts like the PCP is like supplementary material to all of our individual content that doesn't say the PCP kind of important All right, I'm gonna go ahead and make a promise right now when PCP HQ happens If there is a live-action version of the PCP in any form physical fighting will be a part of it It has to it has to end with blood physical violence will definitely be be a sponsored content of the PCP I mean another tangible benefit. I mean it's kind of it's kind of part of this whole situation But like right now Gibb does in fact live in another country and if PCP HQ can form and become like a stable actual sort of business model Then we could get visas for Gibb to come work and live. Oh, yeah as a employee That's the biggest financial goal Like the reason that PCP HQ needs like the reason we need a kicker the reason we need a patreon for it You know like why does it have to be a patreon goal with me and Nate could just move into the same place? Anyways, it's because we can't do that with someone like hippo who's you know, not even from this country Like we need to have a real stable foundation for someone like him to come over, right? Yeah, it's not because I looked into it a lot of times and checked and stuff And there's like two main ways I could get into the US Well three if I'm if I'm illegal But like two is like one is like marrying someone from this country Yeah, and the other one is being hired by and by a company And if the PCP can become like a literal like LLC company thing I think that would be an avenue that I could like it like you can hire me in I could be on Shows and be like ha ha and then I can have a house Gibb what if we kickstart Gibbon munchies wedding, you know I know dude.   That's like Real question remember that movie now I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry or whatever it was about like Two guys like okay. Why? What was the problem exactly? Why can't you just marry like is there do you have to like prove you like love them or something? Like why doesn't that just work? That was the conceit of the movie. I don't know if that's true in reality Yeah, I'm real curious. I've never heard of like people get shotgun married all the time So yeah, or maybe they I think it was because they had to be married specifically for some kind of grant That they were trying to get or some ride.  I just won't tell anybody in my family that I'm technically married to a man I will just never married to a man. You're married to a god Like we'll just it'll just be munchy and the detail there will be no further details Let's just say I found God I became a christian every gender at once Respond to what I said by the way What is the PCP to everyone? I can answer. Oh, right? Yeah, the PCP is basically a virus or no More more accurate would be to say a a Paramecia or a single-celled organism with many nuclei and these nuclei inside control the main body and Stretch it and squish it However, they see fit with the goal of expanding and assimilating more and more into the entity as a whole Like we're all working independently, but we're all working to the shared goal of getting our big fucking blob body as big as it can get Yeah, I'm all about my blob body getting bigger We're just a big old blob. We're absolutely filled with goop Related with it. Does anyone else share my adjustics my justice league interpretation of the PCP? I forget the world war. I don't remember. I don't get it to the justice league at all Powers or like yeah, yeah, but you Nations. Yeah, what I see it as is what is has always been Like sans podcast is just a group of internet creators who are like intellectually cool and fun And I don't hate them and they like me as well. So that's good and we can all make each other grow Our penis is big because we like each other so much, you know, this has changed over time But I certainly still think of the PCP when you know I I had the idea to start doing the podcast and the reason for it was because I just wanted to talk to you guys and if Not for the podcast that simply would not happen. Yeah, and you know it had and now it's actually making some money Which is very nice and all these other things about wanting to move in together. It's helping facilitate that goal so to me it's an excuse to continue talking to my friends continue collaborating with the very few content creators online or some of them that I respect and Yeah, it's just it's just a dream of like you are the guys that I want to work with and I do and I hope to continue to Do so in new ways in the future and this is a unifying element I do not put a I mean I love just talking at length as obviously because I just like loved doing the PCP in general So for me, it's just a great way to just dump a bunch of bullshit every week In a podcast and shit But other than that, it's a great unifying element with people who I respect and want to work with Yeah, that's what it is for me The PCP is like a combination of both a collaborative and competitive effort Because like we come together and we're all friends we hang out We talk shit and we just make a collaborative product, which is great And it's an excuse to talk with all you guys But at the same time the PCP is an enterprise is also a way for me to like keep tabs on what everybody is doing and It kind of keeps me motivated because like I've talked before about how I feel like I have to earn my place here So I definitely feel like there's like a bar that needs to be bet and that kind of helps keep me working Harder than I might buy myself. I might like lose motivation. Can I just put out this spot on that? Okay, go ahead go ahead. Yeah, I've definitely felt like other groups of friends or people are not They I don't it's it they're not like hard on me enough like they don't they just say yeah, that's great And like the Brody's like the Brody's it's it's this group is like one part everything I said before but then another part It is yeah, it is competitive It's like we're always trying to one-up each other and we get annoyed when one of us is like the most popular digi And we Always been above but the rest of us are like vying for second Did you we all made a snow idol of him and murdered him It's like it's it's good to have competition.  Nobody's even 30 yet Most artists don't even really become big until they're 30s, you know, hello. I see us as a I see us as a group of people with an insane amount of potential because everyone in here is so creative And has been doing it for such a long time that they've kind of proven themselves No one in here is like a flake.      I want to tour maybe I can work with the game grumps and do this shit Yeah, I'm so impressed by these people Fucking they made a visual novel, you know like these are the kind of things that if we I think at our group If we all lived in one area, and we didn't have the monetary concern of like I need constant videos That's the kind of shit we would come up with I mean I'm assuming we all have like a big project like it's somewhere in our minds that no constraints we do I know I do Like I can't But right now I just got myself up to a point where I'm allowed to make like one video a month on the main channel And that's enough for me to make something pretty big But I've never been able to like oh I had to disappear for six months to make this piece of art So, you know like in we all know, you know our buddy the endless one did that I don't know how well that worked out for him financially But like if that's how we got horseshoe finale is dude had to disappear for six months and make that thing because that's That's why that's why it's a masterpiece is that it had that much time and some are Kind of focus right exactly. There's a concept called deep work, which it's a concept I've been reading up about because deep web. Yeah, the deep the deep web But like deep work it's it's when because there it was interesting was reading this book and was talking about how like social Media is destroying people's attention spans and it's actually like making Making it more difficult for creators to do what's called deep work Which is when you just spend like three four or five six hours at a row without any inter interactions or interruptions just working on something That's how I make all my videos Majority of like good work comes that's like um, oh, there's there's a talk by um, oh god One of the one of the Monty Python guys Who's the big please? Yeah, John Cleese John Cleese. Yeah, there's a talk by John Cleese about like the Like creative mode and like and how like you need like time to like let your mind enter the creative mode or something Sounds similar and they were talking about how like with multi-tasking and stuff Like when you like no one can actually multitask like your brain can't do it You just do tasks switching and the interesting thing was like your brain when you switch tasks You don't immediately just stop doing the other thing.  Yeah, just the main PCP patreon, you know does include language saying like if we hit 5,000 goals PCP HQ will become real now like we'll start to make it when we have the money personally to do it We will do it and it depends on whether we Individually get big or the PCP allows us like we get an income from that, right, right, but it's not gonna be like yeah We're not gonna fund it directly Speaking of that Nate about specific things that we don't people get all riled up about Let's talk about specific things that will rile people up. I think we've all talked about the general broad stuff I think it's time to get in the nitty-gritty like what exactly we plan to do like Yeah, yeah, let me let me give you my general vision of what I see when PCP HQ becomes real in my mind I see and this is just me other people might disagree and this will all be figured out in time when this sure it starts to become real But in my world there is a core unifying show perhaps weekly That is something akin to a half-in-the-bag style show like live-action people sitting down talking about thing They want to talk about with probably I don't know I imagined some sort of we Agua style editing it'll depend on like who the editor is and what the workflow becomes for that sort of thing Um and so and that's like the main core content on the channel and then aside from that probably just like Relative or content that's currently relevant to whatever's going on so for example something like the podcast me and digi did about Like the Aromanga sensei like I imagined things along those lines appearing on there as well Maybe live-action maybe not and I I do get inspired by a lot of what red-letter media does in terms of they'll just make like random videos Like science man explains like transformer genesis or your terminated like whatever it is all that kind of shit like that That's the handboy winter war sort of thing Well, that's the kind of stuff that it helps to have the studio set up for because like exactly they created It's a different type of video But like all they really had to do is swap out a few assets and like they already have the lighting They already have the big cameras like everything is ready to go just swap out the basic props of like the set and For us even just working individually I'm sure this is true for all of you because we all fucking work in our bedrooms They have to set up your whole fucking setup every time you want to record anything, you know see that honestly When I dream of PCB HQ the number one thing I dream of considering I literally have to like construct my set every time I set up having a studio room where I just go flip some switches, and I'm ready to record that is my dream That is my dream.  That's one thing I dream of in the meantime.   They will be new shows available That's kind of where the conversation ended and there was no like fit like actual show like yeah Sure, there would be a show if we were all together But uh when we're talking about moving and putting people's lives on the line It's better to have an actual show planned instead of just saying there will be a show eventually Yeah, I mean so yeah I think the reason it's sort of vague when we initially came up with it was it's just it will Be us talking about media like we do well But there's like two of us instead of one or maybe just one like that the reason Like I I mean I don't do we agile with style things, but I could but I'm just like not that good on camera generally and I have a really bad place to record but like um I Doing like edited review things only really works with me when it's something that I already have a history with and I can sort of explain and and and and do all that sort of like big editing long-form stuff And if I wanted to do that for like my channel to get you know talk about new games and and get like new Viewers and whatever like it would be way easier if I could just have somebody there and we say yeah We played this game. This is what we think about it and that would be the show But it would be great because it's like It's it's just t-bap, but with a video game Yeah, yeah I've I've I've turned my nose up a bit at Red Letter Media before but I've been watching it a bunch lately and Thinking about it in terms of like like what if like what if the PCP had like a similar setup and I don't know It's just really great. It's really exciting. Right, right There you go.  It would just yeah They did and it would just be it's so much better than it would be if it was audio only Mm-hmm Like if they couldn't do they couldn't do like any of the shit They do if they didn't have like a studio at the very least their meme potential like to their big memes on TV Just posting Red Letter Media, you know like gifts and images and stuff Like they are they're kind of a cultural phenomenon in their own small way Big cult fan base, you know, like a grown-up version of what we got, you know But I think the reason that it's been so nonspecific is that for me I usually base the projects I do on what is at my disposal So like the way I see it again if it was only gonna be me and Nate for a few months I would just invent a show that is for me and Nate and is meant to last a few months You know until we get the next guy or like if it or designed to go on until it needs to be replaced or unless it's super Successful in which case we just keep doing that show even after PCP That's my thinking as well. Yeah, so like they basically for me It's just like all right. Who do I have what equipment do we have right now? What space do we have you know if if me and Nate both move to the same place and we can't yet afford or Justify the expense of a studio space. We might just do something in a home studio But with both of us, you know, but there's a lot of potential there Yeah, I think that's why it's been so nonspecific But I just want to have the ability to if there is an idea to do it like again with the otaku workout training video And I realized that a lot of the stuff that I tend to cite as like what I want to be able to do more of is not Necessarily like the most popular videos we do like obviously I think all of us have been our most successful when we're critiquing popular media more so than like just trying to carry something on the strength of like our personas I think that There's a lot more room to explore what we can do with that Whenever we do make a weird video like that like a comedy video There's a crowd of people who's like this is my favorite thing you've ever made and I'm like I agree with that crowd The passionate fans are the ones who will throw their money at you. They're the ones. They're the ones we should be worried about I mean we should we should care about their opinion and not the and not the fairweather people who are just interested in The popular thing we might be talking about I I got a show idea. All right, because like we've got all these like vague things like just Personalities put them together and talk about something. That's that's that's all good We can make a billion different types of those sort of shows, but here's here's a specific one It'll be we go.  This is a project. I came up with and I think it is literally the best idea of all time It is a podcast. I mean, it'd probably be live action if we if we get this shit together but it is a a a Like regular maybe weekly style show where we are learning Japanese beginning with the fundamentals and like every week We'll make a new lesson learning more stuff And the point of this is that one day when many episodes are made This will simply be a fun youtube playlist podcast where you can just watch and if you like practice and do the lessons along the way You will just learn Japanese as well. Is that not the greatest idea? It's like our machine for Japanese culture There will and there will also be a competitive element to it and like lots of lots of dunking on each other Like that's going to be integral. You know, I love that idea. Get dunked on bro. Yes Megaman it will be playing the entire time I'm gonna get on a train of thought and bin. I think I think you'll be interested in this So please chime in whenever you feel necessary I am not a video person. I do not create videos as my main thing. Of course, you know The main thing I do now, you know, like like that people see not behind the curtain is videos But you know, I don't perceive myself to be that I am a draw person first and foremost and in my heart And so it like, you know, if I were to go to psphq, well, of course, I would benefit from studios and stuff such as that That's not the main thing that I would be doing Is, you know creating new types of the main I have I have types of videos that I would like to do I would like to do a cooking show. I like to do literal fighting. I want I want to literally record fights That's not a joke or a meme. I want to do that.  That would be that would be a huge influence. That would be a huge rush I I totally imagine being in the same room as one of those people and just like we are both just drawing together Like we're not like being like, oh fair. Check out this draw. Check out this panel. How do you think about that?  I got it Let me pitch a show to you for when pcbhq happens and you and the draw boys all get together Draw erotic comics and whoever achieves the biggest boner for the audience is the winner. What do you think?  Let me tell you.  I'm totally on board with you muchy because like I think just being around because there's I I live in a vacuum. All right. I have no friends.   That's the main theme here.   The best commentary on media is to make better media yourself Very true My brain this this imagery of like The video like all of us drawing on the on the bottom of the screen Like you can see the backs of our monitors and are like pasty white faces Illuminated by the screens and then above of us is like like a recording of what we're drawing And it's just like 10 hours of like complete silence of us drawing And then above those as there's a there's a gauge for how self-conscious the artist is betraying And with the more self-conscious they get the lower a noose from the ceiling Down towards them Yes, wonderful And just to just to get just to get really real just to get really really really dark and real You know, please tommy holla first gonna be living in a car soon And his main source of income is the pcp. So if you pay enough to the pcp tom might live You might you might I didn't I didn't want to go there. I won't put any pressure on anybody, but uh, yeah That seems to be what's in the cards.   I know what the story is going to be and now that I know 3d my long-term goal And I'm going to announce it and I'm trying to hold myself to it. I'm going to learn all this year Okay, please Don't do that. Please Tom take it from me. Don't announce your comics before they're done. Please.   It's going great I still I still want to see your sketches, man.  I'll eat batteries I mean if you want I wasn't I wasn't Anticipating that but hey picture of the investor grader, which is like a great that's against much of space that he's like Drying against daily It's just investigable with Nate sunglasses on It's like that scenario before but instead of a noose. It's just a cheese grader Coming closer and closer.  I mean what else is there to say anyone got any other specific ideas that want to share or anything? We covered a lot of ground here. Uh the pcp olympics. We'll try we'll do the long jump We'll do the monkey bars. Well guys, you know Here's here's a literal thing that I would like to make part of canon to like force me to do it It's always been my dream since I played final fantasy 8 and zeal, uh like level one zeal Um did a thing in final fantasy 8 where he did 100 pull-ups before the game even started It has always been my dream to do 100 pull-ups just like zeal and final fantasy 8 and also to run up I think it's like 64 flights of stairs just like cloud and sheenra hq Uh at the beginning of final fantasy 7 those are my true fitness goals for my life if I can achieve those You just need to find a tall building to do that second one. I'll get tired though. It takes a lot of energy though No, one of the cold opens of the live action pcp Well, you just do will be you doing 100 pull-ups and then you just the show like you just like gain like All right, that would be the pcp podcast for a bunch of internet creators here today I will do that and 100 pull-ups is not even unattainable your average person can do it if they just work out and That's that's how you know You succeeded native you can do 100 pull-ups before the show and then immediately start and not be winded or anything Well, I'll be winded, but yeah, you got it. You got to get better, dude And so you got to be not be winded. So you can immediately start my record right now in high school was 50 How does the pcp hq help you with this at all? Oh, well because I want to set this fitness goal and I kind of have some idea of like a fitness show In some way. I mean, I don't know exactly. I plan to be a hashtag fit boy by the time of Of of hq so so we can do a fitness show together Okay, there you go.  I can finally achieve my my ultimate goal I can't wait. I can't wait By the way, uh, this is not a new show But I want to fully illustrate that stealing your dad's food was easy would be way better if it was in person Imagine filming it in a car Like imagine filming it with a dashboard cam. Oh, yeah By the way, by the way digi, uh, I play to do p. Uh, so your dad live, uh at radcon three and I have a costume Oh Like uh, the the the the the munchie that you see depicted on On the the like, you know the thumbnail is an outfit that I have in real life Now I've obtained it. I will be wearing it. I will wear a costume as well All right. Yeah, so so yeah, just imagine there's no echo and you can see us eating the food Instantly triple is good instantly It would be incredibly would be great. Yeah, like even if we just made the same content it would just be better like it would just be better done live and uh, and then like In addition to that like the fact that it opens up more opportunities for new things Uh Okay, two things here. First of all, bin. I remember you and not unreasonably here But I remember you being very poo poo of the pcphq idea Has anything changed for you? Um, if I was poo poo about it, it was probably well I mean because like me and me and digi and divu all live together when we were kind of calling it PCphq for a while, but we didn't really do anything because like I don't know it wasn't Everyone's doing their own shit, you know, you have to really plan something. Yeah, we were doing our own thing and like I don't know So I just I don't think that was what it was gonna be Like that that we called it hq sometimes at the time But in hindsight that was not pcphq like the the idea of what it actually is I think is still cool and um If I was poo poo about it, it was probably just because I didn't think it was gonna happen Um, but if it did um, hey Mom's the word Excellent. Okay. Okay. Let's continue talking about, you know, exactly what shows we're planning to do But also as well, I would like to talk about uh Where this thing will be held where we think like like if there is even a time frame like we touch about this digi Digi spoiled this conversation topic. But yeah, let's let okay for a while as hardcore pcp fans will know We were thinking that atlanta georgia would be pcphq But uh, but uh, that may have changed After after a meet-up that all the pcb guys did in boston famously documented on twitter where I wore a basket on my head My jacket is a scarf and in a homestuck t-shirt only in a freezing boston weather as a gift by the way Yeah, yeah, it's the place where we did a basket. I thought it was like an actual hat. No, that was that was a basket I thought you had a fez Uh, please see twitter to compare the physiques of andrew hussey and munchie. Who would win? Please, please Uh, yeah All right, so so so yeah, uh, I I guess I'll describe it the way I I like like my The way I interpreted pcphq and the change from atlanta to boston I From the very inception of the idea pcphq was like I'm ready to fling myself wherever this may be Whenever it may be 100% like like instantly when pcphq is settled I will I will migrate there like fucking moths to a flame and then uh, you know It was shaping up to be atlanta for various reasons And so I uh, you know, like, you know, I want to see where I will be living I want to see what it's like. I want to go to atlanta and then I went to atlanta to see ben And which was a great trip and from when I saw atlanta. It was awful. It was the worst thing I've ever seen my entire life It was dirty. It was mucky.  I mean every level it was repulsive I would no wonder bend lids there Um, I hated it.  There were very little homeless people You could actually walk places which which to a west coaster is very strange We know it actually walked to a location to location.  And so I In this boston meetup that happened during christmas I launched because because I knew that uh, Nate and digi were the high profile targets I had to assassinate jfk style in order to get my whim of a pcphq in boston So I set out I I divided and conquered and I set out to to convert digi to my hellish religion And I went on a three-day hard sell to try and get him to move to boston I was curious about this story because it just seemed one day digi was all of a sudden really into boston And I knew there was some involvement here, but yeah, go on. I want to know the details here Did digi how well did this work?    Well, that's your convenient for me. That was always my particular, uh, Favorite place since my family lives like an hour away So I think I was always resistant to checking out Boston because you guys had suggested it but I had always kind of thought that a everyone was just suggesting it for convenience and uh, be That it I didn't realize it's as big a city as it was like I didn't realize Boston's like huge You didn't realize Boston was amazing. It's like well, I relatively speaking.  I've never played it Well, uh, Boston, I think in my head boss. I like my vision of Boston is like, uh tea party like We did do that my vision of Boston was like a very flat place where everything's a tea shop All this stuff Ben described to me about like living in Boston He's like, oh, I take the train all the time and I go to hipster coffee shops and like that's You know, the Boston party wasn't actually a tea party.  I was like, yeah It looks cool though. It's apparently tinder daily explained it What was he tinder dating too? This is my vision of Ben going around Boston. It's just like No, he's like in his fifties.  Well, you got me there You just barely made the list But for the record though, I uh, don't even care if we end up in Boston or not I will go anywhere because I have I have dedicated my entire being to becoming financially independent So I can do whatever is necessary to achieve my goals in life. So I will do whatever I have to do Catch my cold. I will go anywhere. I I just would prefer it to be Boston because Atlanta was gross Sure. I yeah, I haven't been to like Austin, Texas the best I think because I kind of I'm still holding a dream a candle for a dream because I want to work with side live with side forever But also besides that like the anime like voice acting industry is there and I've always had a little bit of a dream You know ever since I was a kid to maybe get into that voice carry, bro Oh, yes In the digi bro's anime adaptation And you know what people keep telling me that I'm just like my voice is great and everyone keeps complimenting And I'm like, you know what? People have convinced me. Maybe I am okay at this.  Yeah, that's yeah, all that shit's great Yeah, that's the dream. All right. Do we want to move on to questions? I picked out Like five Conclusive statements. I've heard I've heard that boston is quite an english Styled city because it was like one of the first ones. Yep. Yep. Yeah, and they made it. It is not designed very well Yeah, which is why I would like it. It would be like, oh, there's I remember this sort of thing I remember being lost and confused.   Uh, what is the time frame? Do we think I think did you say you're gonna be moving in may? I my lease goes up at the end of may so june 1st. I gotta be out of here. So uh, Yeah, there you go and boston's real convenient because it's a six hour drive as opposed to the 18 hour drive that it would take to get to atlanta It's closer to people uh closer to families. So, you know, it's it's it's also convenient for me That's cool. I will I will say and I don't I don't want to like shit on anybody's prayer But I will say the only the only negative thing about boston that we'll probably have to like consider is that if we do the bonus I mean Depending on depending on who we can get there at the right time the right place by scheming it could be a good thing But um, no if we do like a legitimate business with a pcp I know that business taxes in the state are very high compared to you know I specifically talked to my dad about this and I mean my dad's not like a genius She doesn't know business stuff across the world, but he was saying that the the taxes there are relatively similar to neighboring states at least I don't know whatever I mean all these things will have to be accounted for the northeast is a relatively expensive area to live in in general I think compared to the south, but it's you pay for like you pay for what you get It's quality. Yeah, it's a good place to live, you know, so it's like worth it. Um All right. Well, it's true. Anyway, all right. We're burnt out.  This is what we're at least for me This is what I'm working towards. This is the goal in my life These are what like pcp hq is what all of my actions and and and and you know inspiration is leading towards This is my motivation is getting pcp hq off the ground and meeting up with you guys and being real life friends in real life To like so I can improve my artistic and personal, uh, you know life That's what I want with all my fucking heart I have as you guys know and no one outside knows because I rarely talk about it in public I spend so much time devoted to pcp issues and trying to work out problems and organize everything For the sake of making this come true and keeping everyone in contact Really like the the whole point of making the pcp was so that I could stay in contact with you guys So I could coldly and calculately use your artistic merits to you know make my life better That's exactly like at the end of the day. There's a great utilitarian reason for us all to hang out that like I want to make the best art possible And I want it to be not only the best but like I want it to be profitable and yeah, I see these as These people I'm speaking to as creative voices who like are not only capable of putting out not Better things than I can in some ways, you know like you guys all have skills I don't have some of you are funnier than me some of you are better editors Some of you have more creative ideas, you know or some of you can just draw and I can't even do that So like having you all around like obviously fills in gaps in what I'm capable of and so Like let's say I want to make a video that the strength is uh in the charisma of the host Maybe I'm gonna ghost write a script for Nate. I don't know You know, there's a lot of possibilities in the future Maybe half the pcp fades into the background the other half becomes the popular people and we just go straight for you guys You know like whoever's got the prettiest face and becomes famous like I'm down to make this happen However, it's gonna happen, you know Imagine the munchie and nate pretty boy show. Yeah, I want that The two most conventionally attractive pcp members there are Hey, man, it's all I'm saying is it's big boy season lazy ladies Get you I'm just saying that like when you look at the when you look at the game grumps or red letter media Like they've got guys on the payroll who aren't in all the videos, you know They like red led media's got josh. He's always behind the camera in those other videos You know, he's always there, but like he's occasionally I would give anything to look at red letter media's like financial breakdown How they operate behind the scenes god and the game grumps too.  You you read textbooks don't you? That's what yeah, yeah, I really should just like google and stuff But yeah, man, I want to cultivate all this So I'm capable of making my dreams real because I accept responsibility for making these things happen in my life No one's going to give it to me. I gotta I gotta make it happen Let's go talk to jeff for like hours. Yeah, he just had a shill properly. It's true.   It was not easy You guys need to ask better questions Told you please always Uh, first one's from banksinator. He asks do you think there's enough time left in your life to achieve all of your goals? Slash try everything you want to do. I'm gonna add on to this. Let's let's let's say without the singularity Like without the singularity, let's say none of us gets to put our brains in computers Do we have enough time left in our life to achieve all our goals? I'm 17 years old Well, I don't know how big your goals are. I mean, maybe you want it to be like a Mozart and it might already be too late for that I could he still be alive? Could he still be alive? Okay. I'm sorry. Go on.  I'm just gonna be like, I don't care anymore, you know Or it's definitely too late. Um Too late to become a porn actor You know I'm engaged now and uh, and I'm in my late 20s. So I don't know about that I can never be A very serious conversation I can never be any kind of athlete not that I particularly want to but I Well, yeah, that's that's the thing though.  It hasn't really hasn't really worked out I'm really stuck, you know, and I'm kind of feeling like if I don't get into tennis in the next couple years I'm probably just gonna shelf that, you know, so like that's the kind of the way I look at it You could be a tcphq tennis court. That's that's a stretch If you have if you have a kid you could you could be a tennis dad and just beat them because I I'd be doing my my hero scooby 1961 a disservice if I didn't say you can get fit at any age at least up to 60 Oh, no, no, I'm not saying I can't get fit. I'm just saying I don't do I don't like actually want to go play tennis like Yeah, okay. I enjoy the idea of it, but then I go out and do it and I'm like, well That was I guess that was the thing and we're gonna do this tomorrow Like how long is appropriate between tennis sessions like how how after how many days Do you say oh, this isn't a thing? I'm really doing actively anymore Like do you have to do it once a week in order to say like oh, I play tennis sometimes in my spare time or like is once a month enough You know, is it like bowling you do it once a year and then you're like, oh, I don't bowl Well, it's a spectrum and and you can say it at any point on the spectrum But everyone above it who does it more than you will laugh at you But you'll be legit to anyone lower than any that's true in any uh Did I did you I was gonna ask you, uh, how is the um porn manga going dude?    I think He's kind of right. Yeah, you confused. You confused the the causal order in which those things occur Because one listens to digi videos one develops The reason you start driving this is that video Like like ben does not have this skill the skill is contained within the podcast Listen to the podcast you channel the skill right? That's how it works. That's how it works Oh, it's like it's like in final fantasy nine when you equip weapons you gain skill points And then once you've equipped that weapon for long enough you've unlocked that skill That's what digi's podcasts are like just listen to them and you'll be unlocking skills at no time That's what you think that's what you think did you know a japanese shrine and he like channels spirits Whenever it turns on music video and the flavor of the video is how good he is at art that Okay I'm just holding to the whims. I've been holding to the whims Okay, someone is good at math. Confirm for me like Wait, wait, wait, never mind. Hold on. It'd be a hundred 120 hours, right? Like if it was two hours every day for 30 days, it's 120 hours of drawing practice I think that would be enough to tell if you wanted to keep doing it or not, you know Yeah, that's 62 hours a day.  So you're drawing multiple things a day every day You're trying out different poses and I drew some some pretty Daftly decent porn.   He's gonna start with the drill in the cut and then work backwards That's my my I mean most of the way I draw is just like I just envision something and I try to recreate it in in art You know, I got sure I I study a lot like I When I look at pictures, I like try to study how they did it, you know, like I'm I'm someone who thinks about art I just have not practiced it, you know, I haven't tried to do it and like Because it's frustrating to be bad at something like it's frustrating to draw and suck And like but if you see progress that it alleviates some of that frustration You think like oh well the stuff I made at the end of the month the stuff better than the stuff I made at the beginning Does that make me feel good enough to keep going or do I feel like I don't actually enjoy this enough to make it worth making this slow progress because I'm gonna have to do this For years if I want to be good I think our art boys here would say you got to stick to the fundamentals. Did you stick to the fundamentals?  Oh, yeah, and I mean I've been doing like, you know I did stick figure comics my whole childhood. I've done I've took every kind of design class like I know all I know the art basics. It's just uh, yeah Did she probably that didn't involve any art at all But yeah, I mean I think that the main the place I'm at right now is the place where you need to practice a lot to have anything Competent come out, you know, and so to me it made sense Well, I don't know why I'm trying to justify this so hard. Let's just move on to the next Okay, so the point is didn't you suck start he'll never be good and let me also just throw out That I always wanted to be a scientist and one who uncovers the truths of the world to get back to the actual question here About things that we'll never end up doing I in my heart of hearts We'll always hate myself for like being a guy who's like kind of like commenting on stuff instead of actually just making the tangible stuff And maybe one day that'll change I hope that'll change one day. It's time for a question that only you and maybe I can actually answer From horse power asks, how do I become more disciplined? Oh, okay, that is an interesting whip yourself on the back Okay, here's literally what I did like like things like Mia Maffova and uh, like we agua require Discipline to get done as well as like fitness stuff. Here's what you do Except look at yourself study your behavior patterns. This is what I did recognize your massive personality flaws and how you have failed at everything You've ever tried to do just recognize what's going wrong and then just Structure your life in such a way that you cannot Not do the thing like so you completely go around these weaknesses like for me Whenever there's like I've got a long deadline and I've got like a month to do it. I just won't do it I will fail and I always have my whole life So instead the fix was that to this was to recognize the times when I did manage to get things done And the answer was extremely clear Deadlines deadlines would allowed me to make tbap happen. I mean, you know ben was involved. Just mean like it helped me It was true for both of us Of course be creative with your deadlines by the way because like my for instance I have a let's say The two weeks review a podcast I do for my patrons which comes out every Tuesday on well It's two alternating podcasts But they come out on Tuesday right at the start of the day like midnight Tuesday So I haven't written on my schedule like Tuesday do this podcast, but it's supposed to come out at 12 You know so really the deadline should be the week before It should be like do next week's podcast by this Tuesday PCP is recorded a week in advance for instance, you know like the deadline for pcp to be recorded is saturday And then the release is is eight days later So like I just think that's really important to achieving discipline is to make sure your deadlines are as immediate as possible like and if you think you can do with project in three days Set your deadline for three days and then try to get it done in those three days. Yeah, I I've had a problem with this because I Did like a month last year of a video every day and posting the video was the deadline Like I had to get it up before the end or like if it was like an hour like 10 minutes later Then that's fine.  How do I like give a deadline for two days instead of one day?  You have to do it. I yeah, I mean I could do that. It's just The the videos like I want them to come out weekly and I want to make them faster than one per week Which is and if I it doesn't work like that like if nobody sees that I finished it It doesn't feel like I have a deadline I think uh, unfortunately like the the reality of being disciplined is you just have to hold yourself to a high standard because like if if you are letting It be the social standing and everything like you just said Nate like the problem is you have to care enough about that Like I have a lot of daily shows that come out late all the time Like you know or like weekly or none of my shows ever come out on time It's what I'm getting at everything's fucking late and it's because people just expect it from me at this point So like I've just got a low standard of like per being me Like I don't I don't hold myself to a high enough standard to have discipline It's basically what I'm saying. But you you there is a social clout to doing that Like people have more or less respect for you for it or trust in you and like, you know, that's the thing That's the thing you have to have something to lose if you don't do it I mean whatever that is for you like right now with we agua We had was been kind of slipping later and later and like I just kind of like missed a week recently When it was just like I was just too big like I couldn't do it and I didn't even bother to announce it I was just like whatever. I'll just like get it out when it comes out And you know like this is me sinking into a bad pattern that I want to avoid And really the way to fix it is what I've been trying to do to like limit How much work I actually have to get done and you know like make the video shorter because they're way too long They used to be like the most popular we agua by far That's like 150,000 views or something and like it was like the easiest one to make I only talked for like five minutes about the actual topic and now I'm doing like half an hour Just like on the base top before I even do the other shit like what am I even doing? You got to recognize these things and calibrate yourself. You've got to take responsibility I also think people need to look out for the pitfall of the I missed one and now I don't care anymore Such as like if this is a big thing for the gym.  I'm working out pretty regularly But for me, I'm trying to fix my diet and like I'm doing calorie counting every day and like when I miss a day with that It's so easy to just like get out of the swing of it. But yeah, I mean this whole thing is yeah I couldn't agree more. You gotta you gotta keep the momentum going keep the ball rolling And I think it's also about like understanding who you are and like setting realistic expectation Because like if you shoot for the moon right out of the gate going from like zero to a hundred You're never gonna let yourself down everything begins by understanding who you are and what you need in order to succeed You have to like one of the things that I that I just changed recently It's like I had a schedule for the last couple months where like I had like Monday I do something Tuesday do something else because I have a bunch of things I want to get done And I just I can't switch tasks like that like I'm super unit task Like I have to just get one thing done Because if I don't if I if I because I had like okay I'll do a drawing on Monday and that'll do 3d Tuesday and Wednesday and then I'll do a video on Thursday I'm like none of those things would get done in those one days I'd start something the next day start something else and so the next day I'd still be thinking about the task I didn't finish the day before so my attention just got divided and nothing got done So like this month. I'm just like fuck it like I'm just doing one thing until it's a done like yeah, even if Ideally like I'd get these exact same amount of stuff done but just because I'm Not worried about something else now and just focusing on the one thing like it has a better chance And here's and a very good point And here's the thing that a lot of people miss about this whole process Be trying to do this be trying to stick to a schedule and then after some time a month a couple months six months a year Look back at what you accomplished doing things the way you've been doing And really think about if it's getting you where you want to go You have to reassess and decide like that's exactly what I did before me in math I recognize this is not getting me where I want to go. I have to change things And it's been a great success. So I recommend it's hard. It's hard to change It's hard to change even if you want to but you just got to put your priorities in order and decide like What's the most important thing for you? You know Like doing things the way you've been doing them or or something else that you need to change something in order to get to Tom on something similar to what you just said. Let me explain to you guys the enemy of Alligators like this is this is the reason gators taking so long.   Oh, hey, can you can you make a thing for my Kickstarter? And I'll be like, yes, of course I would love that with all of my heart and then I can be like, well, okay I'm not working on investigating right now, but I'm doing this really cool epic thing for the walls my friends And so I can justify it to myself like oh, I'm not getting this work done. I'm getting other work done But that's how most of my vlogs come to be actually Yeah, all everything that's not investigator is worthless. It's much. Yeah. I'm so sorry This you know, this is a great point and it's like god.  I lost track of my thought All right.     What am I gonna do man?   It's 10 luck 20 skill 15 percent concentrated power Oh boy Reason to remember the name Oh, that's beautiful and inspirational.  That's what everyone everyone shits on skim milk. Everyone says.   I can't it's too much. It's too much I don't want that. I don't want that. I feel the same way. My favorite flavored milk is benzane And and and all of you on the inside will know what that means. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes.  That's what it is All right Last question that I have from the patron discord if you didn't know that's where they come from We get our questions from people give us money and we answer their questions if they're not Procrastinators Which is rare cyprus asks Realistically for how much money would you have gay sex with the celebrity of your choice on camera? Your oh on camera. Why there's a lot of factors there changes this question It does here's the thing for me.  That's that's fair point. I'll do it for pennies on the Pick your poison everybody.  I don't I mean, oh, he's the right way to answer this to pick like the most effeminate guy You can think of is that like the right way to go?  I mean, that's the thing. I'm already financially solvent. So it's really not much of a motive I mean, I'm sure maybe for like a billion dollars.   I don't know if you want to go That guy, what is it? Are you pitching or catching in this scenario?  Oh boy. All right now, please Oh guys here make the great TV That that question gave me a red land injection and now I can't think I straight So here I'm gonna ask you guys an even better question a legendary question You will pray to this question day and day out at night How can our viewers support this show and the dream of achieving pcphq? How can they do that? Well, let me tell you what the number one way to do is right now head over on to kick starter people Radcon three arena link in the description.  The radcons are our demos.   It's a fact now. We have to make a video called undertale two I just released it a whole show of like downplaying it be like I don't want to make any promises like Undertale two I promise we will make the most financially successful video game that has ever been made Third stretch goal $9,002 toby fox comes to radcon three Guys, we should make some sort of undertale skit where I play torio That's a fantastic idea and then you fuck everyone because that's what my that's what she does in my in my head Okay, but seriously the link in the description people the Kickstarter, please fund it as of recording We are 50 percent like 51 or 52 funded We need money if you want to see the pcp grow and go to the future stuff Of course go to patreon.com slash the procrastinators But for the meantime at this moment the best thing you can do to support the show in our future endeavors together Is go to our Kickstarter and fund radcon three You will It is your duty to support this because this is because supporting radcon is the only way this will get done Because radcons are what this is all built, right? It's all a prototype to see what it's like to be in person This this is the light blood. This is what it's good.   What will you guys do which I think is a great question It's the kickstarter fails Well, there's a bunch of ways if the kickstarter fails, we will be very embarrassed But we will soldier on as always we'll keep doing what we're doing if we fund it We're just gonna blame the fans because it's the fans. You didn't give us money. So it's their fault You should just blame arm retrieval uh con the go fummy for siphoning all the hardcore fans away. Yeah, very true. Um The the point is it it could fail And if so you guys have the ability to hold us accountable by immediately unpledging, you know I I want you to hold us accountable to what if it fails.  I mean that's that's that's the case all the time Like I would expect if we started putting out like consistently shitty episodes. We'd lose all of our Patrons like that's not how it works. Very true. 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Okay, we're back. We're live 12 o'clock rock with this new show creative contributions My guest is Julian Gorbach from the school of journalism at UH Manoa We're gonna talk about his book. He's writing or has written about a guy named Ben Hecht. It's rarely interesting It's gonna be a biography of Ben Hecht who was a Jewish fellow who wrote plays and got to be a militant Zionist he's often spoken of today as a Shakespeare of Hollywood the films industry The film industry's most legendary screenwriter in those days back in the 30s I guess he's perhaps more important as the man who broke the silence in America about the Nazi slaughter of European Jews Beginning in the late 1930s. He became a lone voice in the wilderness Rebelling against his Jewish movie studio bosses when they refused to make films about the Nazi persecution While the American press remained oblivious to the reports that surfaced early in World War two of a German extermination plan Hecht launched a massive one-man publicity campaign that mobilized public pressure on the Roosevelt administration For an allied rescue program Then after the war this former Chicago crime reporter and gangster movie writer Ben Hecht became notorious Shocking and out raging people across the world by partnering with a real gangster Mickey Cohen, you know that name to arm the Jews in Palestine and calling for a terrorism in the fight for a Jewish state in those days Many now look back upon Hecht as a hero for his efforts at rescue But his support for Jewish militants made him infamous in his time The tough Jew a biography of Ben Hecht is the story of how Hecht earned admiration as a humanitarian and vilification as an extremist at this pivotal moment in history It's about the origin is beliefs in his varied experiences in the American media and about the consequences of all that our guest Like Ben Hecht our guest Julian Gorbach spend most of his years as a daily newspaper reporter on the police beat That's gonna be interesting to talk to him. He covered drive-by shootings and murder trials He published an investigative series on killings that remain unsolved because gangs had intimidated Witnesses into silence this courage there as a freelancer He contributed to the Boston Phoenix the timeout New York the San Francisco Bay Guardian and the New Orleans Gambit among other publications. He covered Hurricane Katrina for the Boston Globe He earned a doctorate in media history from the University of Missouri School of Journalism And he's now an assistant professor at the School of Communications the journalism program at the University of Hawaii at Manoa We are honored to have you have you here Julian. Thanks for coming down Fabulous my pleasure. Yeah, so why did you write a biography about Ben Hecht? I didn't know really very much about him at the beginning I mean, I knew him mostly because I knew he had written this Comedy called the front page where some people say is the best comedy ever written for the American stage Like Tennessee Williams Said that it had uncorceded American theater And what what time frame are we talking that came out in 1927? But it's been made and remade over and over and over again your guests the probably the most likely Thing that your guests or version of it your guests would have seen would have been his girl Friday with Kerry Grant Which is you know a hilarious version of it directed by Howard Hawks that was made in Like 41 I think But it's been made it was made into a movie by Billy Wilder in the early 70s With Jack Lemon and and it's a it you know to put it simply it created the image of the Fast-talking cynical reporter with the fedora yanked down over his head and the cigarette butter in his mouth and the flasco Whiskey, you know that image. Yeah, I'm kind of had more than today. Don't you think so somewhat They were a cynical breed and they they were not your New York Times reporter This was the the Chicago journalist It was tough and I wanted the scoop as far as uplifting the the public or enlightening the public that that was They were too cynical. Well, but you know stopping at that point just for a moment seems to me that Journalism, you know is a critical part of democracy. It's a critical part of the history of our country Yeah, and we see that in relief now, you know with Donald Trump trying to bypass the media and go directly to the public It's all very kind of threat and then the failure of print press journalism economically. This is all very threatening to in my view to our to our Democracy, yeah, but in those days This Chicago brand as opposed to the say the New York Times brand, which is at a higher level. All right It it was important for us to get to the bottom of what was going on It was a competition for the scoop. It was that hard-driving cynicism You know that that informed the public don't you think? Well, it was an argument about Two visions of journalism the New York Times was the respectable liberal enlightened vision that that Was kind of faithful to Thomas Jefferson's vision that the press should inform and engage the public and The Chicago journalist didn't give it a wit about trying to inform and engage I mean, they just didn't believe the public was smart enough to get it That the public really cared. I mean you have to realize like when the front page came out Al Capone was ruling Chicago He was ruling the politicians and he was and it didn't matter what the newspapers published as far as Scoops about corruption or whatever. It didn't seem to change the politics. So there was an argument between the two at the time a lot of editors had gotten together because they thought Journalism was getting out of control and so they tried to create a rule book the association of newspaper editors tried to say look we need to be objective and Maybe we should license journalists Maybe let journalists should be licensed the way doctors or lawyers are licensing means the government has to make a judge Right. Oh, that's that's so they stop back from that But they did that that's when they did draft a code of ethics it's when journalism schools were developed and everything and The Chicago brand was kind of this old school that had developed in the early 20th century of Fighting there were there's something like 12 different newspapers in Chicago and they're all fighting for circulation They literally got violent and that's a whole story I tell in the book of the way that the thugs who ended up the Capone thugs used to beat up Newspaper dealers on the street So the they got their training as thugs and they were first on the payroll of newspapers in a bloody newspaper war boy before Before they became Capone's gunmen with the passage of the Volstead Act that the prohibition in 1919 and that by that time the newspaper reporters of that era graduated to like heck They had started coming from Chicago to New York writing plays about gangsters for for Broadway And then starting with heck writing movies about gangsters for Hollywood when movies went to talk and Which was right around 1927 so he started in Chicago Sort of like you I guess well as a crime reporter. Yeah, sort of like you I guess yeah Well, I started as a crime reporter. I didn't start in Chicago. I'm from Boston, but I could tell yeah But he you know was it was it's important today because My my book is about a cynicism that hacked out about the public and about the nature of mankind It's a cynicism about human beings that he learned both from being a newspaper reporter in Chicago And from being a crime reporter and seeing the darkest side of human beings on death row you know from interviewing killers and psychopaths and and and from interviewing corrupt Stoogey politicians and It's a story of where cynicism will take you Into international politics through the rise of Nazism into the establishment of the state of Israel and You know, it's a it's a two-sided story because on the one hand Hect had a very deep understanding of our problems in American society and in our world civilization He was right about a lot of it, but if you entirely surrender yourself to cynicism Where does that ultimately take you? What do you become? Oh, yeah, well, but you know query whether going from Chicago crime reporting to writing plays for Broadway is an expression of cynicism and Query also whether writing plays in broad making going from writing plays in Broadway to being a Zionist in Israel at the time of You know, perhaps the most idealistic Metamorphosis of you know of what was going on in the holy land into the state of Israel Yeah, that was very that was very idealistic. Don't you think especially after the war? So is that cynicism or is that just metamorphosis? Well, you know Hect was was an idealist when it came to art and storytelling and individual people when it came to politics and People as masses he was intensely cynical and and actually in order to be a classic liberal in the sense that that you and I might be You have to have a certain amount of idealism about people collectively and about our politics because you have to believe in things like the government of the people and The the notion that it's possible for the press or the media like the TV. He didn't believe that.  Yes It was more that he thought that when you look globally at people as like if you look at them as ants on an anthill collectively That they're driven to a large extent by really scary primordial passions that those are always latent in us I mean, I guess a lot of people understand it as the Hobbesian view It's the view that that people have certain ugly prejudices certain impulses towards violence And you just have to poke it with a stick and it'll come out I don't think like what what's happened with donald trump over the last Year or so would surprise him at all in fact The thing that made Hacked such a strong voice when the nazis were rising to power was that before anyone else saw it He saw where this was going. He wrote an incredibly horrifying vivid short story describing the extermination of the jews in 1938 When this was beyond the imagination and the germans hadn't even started their extermination program No, it wasn't it wasn't even a plan yet. It wasn't even a nazi policy yet The policy then was to make germany juden rein which meant rid of jews. Yeah In fact at the time there was kind of an upside down world where the germans were trying to push jews out of europe And the british and the americans and everything were trying to keep them in here See this is a bit upside down, you know, all those were strange and ugly days. Yes. Yeah So that that's somewhere along the line. There was a metamorphosis with him Don't you think I mean because instead of you know doing crime or doing, you know, what he was doing about gangsterism Now he's talking about If not saving the world then saving global jewelry, isn't he? He's talking about stopping the nazis from what, you know, he perceived they would be doing Well, I think with the rise of nazism he he did have a couple of transformations But you have to ask yourself whether those were complete reversals or whether those were part of an evolution because of course as a journalist and and even as an artist Politics was beneath him to be actively engaged to be an activist was Something he didn't ever want to sell his hands with And at the same time He wasn't much of a jew. I mean he he was a I guess he called second generation jews parents had come here from Eastern europe And he he said it and one of his Many writings and memoirs that he spoke yiddish until the age of eight or nine, but he essentially Yeah, he essentially he grew up in wisconsin and in rural wisconsin in the midwest and this sort of Yeah, I mean he the the family had moved when he was very young From the lower east side and from the the jewish ghetto to the rural wisconsin He'd had this very idyllic american upbringing Very midwestern and he'd forgotten about being jewish. He didn't think it was important and so two two transformations really with the rise of Nazism one was He suddenly started to realize he was a jew and that it mattered being a jew in america and second of all He he decided that he didn't want to be a do nothing see nothing newspaper net as he put it in one of his plays That he he felt that he gets to a point where people of conscience have to act I love that that goes for everyone all of us every single one We have to see our conscience and act. Let's take a short break and ruminate on that We'll come back in one minute julian goreback from the school of journalism at uh minoa Aloha, my name is jacine espiritu and i co-host hawaii farmers series with matthew johnson of oahu fresh We talk about hawaii's local farmers and their supporters in order to have a Vibrant and sustainable local food system Farmers are always the foundation, but there's so many other people Involved in the community that help support those farmers So we bring those folks onto our show every thursday at 4 p.m We get their backstory their history find out a little more about them And we find out why they love what they do and their perspective and their advice on how we can continue to have A dynamic and vibrant and sustainable local food system So we again we broadcast live every thursday at 4 p.m And you can also catch us on thinktex youtube channel as well as alelo 54 So we hope you tune in and join us. Thank you Okay, we're back. We're live with julian goreback of the school of journal program and journalism at the school of communications at uh minoa assistant professor there and he's Been writing a book about ben hecht and you really need to know about ben hecht for many reasons But what you said a little while ago before the break was that he didn't want to sully himself ben hecht Didn't want to sully himself with having opinions or showing through opinions That that that's a matter of journalistic ethics or the ethics of the time, isn't it Well, he didn't want to sully himself with being actively engaged in politics up to a certain point That's beyond just showing opinions. That's actually Interfering with with the course of actually be involved in history Yeah, going journalists would watch history report on history, but not be involved in history Yeah, even the opinion-writing journalists A lot of times stopped short of actually getting in the middle of the riot or whatever Parade yeah, and he he he crossed that line as far as the the the line you're talking about between opinion and What we call objectivity in journalism He just never believed In the notion of objectivity, which is a flawed notion if you think about it I mean, it's the idea that That when you report on things You can somehow be above a point of view a personal point of view and that you're not You know that you somehow rise above that it's it's not a very philosophically sound position You know what I agree with you everybody who reports Everybody who's you want to put in the ambit of journalism has a message has a view and it comes out if you watch It always comes out. There's always there You spoke before about the Hobbesian view of the world The cynicism and all that as opposed to John Locke versus Hobbes whether yeah My view of the world by the way is the mammalian view of the world Is that everybody is a mammal right and everyone is driven by what drives mammals? And a lot of that is biochemistry over which we have no control at all Yeah, and it makes us do things regardless of our you know sense of Sense of civilization. Yeah, sometimes that simply doesn't prevail and we have plenty of proof about that Heck might argue that there's a little bit of the reptile mixed in Thank you The reptilian theory. Yeah, I mean that you know One thing that might be unclear to viewers that they're hearing me jump between His career in journalism and then his his career and as a writer and in Hollywood And then somehow how he gets mixed up in Zionism Is how all this is connected and I think what's been lost a little bit to to Contemporary readers and one of the things that I hope really comes through in the book Is there is a fundamental argument still going on about the ideals of the enlightenment So to a lot of people in hex generation the rise of nazism Was was proof that a lot of the ideals of thomas jefferson or whether you want to talk about the french philosophers Was was flawed Because in order to believe in things like the government of the people or really any of the age of reason stuff You have to first of all have a fundamental optimism about human nature And you secondly have to believe that reason will actually make people more tolerant And and and make people better at arguing things Whereas you know if you read uh the romantic view, which is sort of the opposite of the enlightenment view It's well reason will get you a machine to build a frankenstein You know reason will get you the technology to build a machine gun or an atom bomb Um, it won't necessarily make you an enlightened human being and as far as the enlightenment of human beings We've talked about that so so this fundamental disagreement about human nature and the role of reason Uh flows through Whether you're talking about his view of journalism or his view of What the jews needed to do to build a jewish state like the the more liberal jews You know, what's the holocaust that happened The more liberal jews want to do appeal to the united nations and take this kind of nonviolent political approach to You know, please let us have a state, you know vote on it as an international community And the the the militant zionist that hecht was a part of so screw that We're going to bomb and shoot the british out of out of palestine And then if the arabs come after us we'll we'll you know fight them off too There were a number of people who held that view in that time I don't I doubt it was the majority of prevailing group, but uh, these were those were tough times It wasn't entirely clear. It wasn't at all clear that there would be a state of israel. Yeah, there were two You know in israel's dna. There were two major groups vying for power One was under the leadership of nach and bagan, which was the ergun, which was an armed force and the other was uh, david ben gorean who ended up being israel's first prime minister and You know, he they of course had the haganah, which eventually became the israeli defense forces And uh, and so there were that that that contest between those two groups eventually came to bloodshed in an incident in 1948 Called between two groups of jews between two groups of jews in the middle of the arab israeli war There was an exchange of fire in an incident With a ship that that hecht's money had an armship that hecht's money had funded um, which was an ergun ship that was about to land on the coast of israel and the the david ben gorean ordered the is the brand new israeli defense forces to fire on the ship and it killed 20 of hecht's friends and associates and from that moment on and this is in the middle of the israeli war from that moment on Hecht turned his back on israel And really because because they fired on the ship because they killed some of the people who are his friends Have to turn you off But you know, I mean i'm just taking us back to that point in time. This is 1948 This was right after the war and and memories of what happened in in war saw in the ghetto and in the extermination camps are Fresh and i mean i think there were a lot of young jews who had survived that time Through wit and through violence that otherwise they would not have survived And i think there must have been a substantial contingent of people who Remember they used to say this never again We're not going to be you know killed We're not going to be marginalized abused harassed and killed ever again And so that that was that was the credo of the time right and i'm i'm guessing that's what he saw in it He he was among those who were saying we're not going to let this happen again Well, so there were there were two there's two never again There's the david ben gorean never again Which is let's establish a united nations. Let's create a united nations convention on genocide Let's introduce this term into the english language called human rights and let's let's introduce an idea called international law and let's establish a united nations so that if a country goes out to to Conduct a genocide like in a lepo or or you know or in the Balkans or anywhere else that there's a international force that will collectively reimpose civilization basic human rights and and their idea of never the Never again is hey the great democracies beat the nazis You know the human rights and and civilization won in that battle Well, the never again to the urgun and and to ben hecht was No, the nazis killed six million jews. The nazis essentially wiped out European jewelry the the the international community and the great democracies failed the jews And so never again means never again. Are we going to trust human conscience? To to stop a genocide or just to stop that's more the cynical view, isn't it? Yeah, it's it's who what rules is it the rule of law or the rule of the gun Survival, you know, but that's where he had to be but you know what I get out of this And really until today I hadn't thought about it or known much about it But he started out as a reporter. He started out on the street He started out observing and reporting on human conduct and you know in the raw form Yeah, and he takes that now. He's sort of sensitized He takes that to larger issues issues that can write more than a story about crime on the street Now he's going to write a play in Broadway and he's going to try to get his message There's always a message, right? Yeah, he's trying to get his message out to larger groups of people because he understands At that time that writing a play would do that would get his message out Perhaps, you know, in the in the pre-television world Even when radio is, you know, still in an infancy that was the way you got your message out So now he's like globally aware Now he's looking at the Nazis in the 30s. He's got a sense of awareness This man had a sense of awareness and ultimately that drew him into being active You know an active militant Zionist Isn't that part of what happened here with him? Well, I mean two things about it one is that actually while he was a crime reporter while he was a young man in 1919 He was sent by the chicago daily news to germany Right in the aftermath of world war one And one of the things he witnessed was the the german government at the time machine gunning Either hundreds or thousands of people to death at a place called moabit prison And so What he in his memoirs what he describes is that he had kind of a jolly cynical view of the The hijinks in chicago all the corruption and and the crime and everything When he was a reporter in chicago But when he went to germany in 1919 He saw the same criminality On a government level Right exactly instant in the way that al capone would take over basically chicago municipal affairs You would have a criminal a gangster and organized criminal government And so when he saw both the allies and the nazis of the world war two era he saw global criminal activity And he he was deeply deeply cynical about the roosevelt administration and the british Which he held responsible for the massacre of jews He was trying to press them To have an allied rescue program and he saw Their failure to have an allied program to try and do something as anti-semitism As as aiding and abetting the greatest crime in history And and as far as his publicity campaign At the moment when a small group of activists from palestine came in 1941 and recruited him to their cause Right at the at 1941 at this crucial moment. He was the highest paid writer in hollywood He had incredible power in the media and he also had that cynicism that we're talking about about He didn't turn to muckraking or to investigative journalism. He turned to these big glitzy Propaganda efforts if you will to use his all the hollywood celebrities that that weren't in movies that were About the nazis because the the jews of hollywood were afraid to make those movies But to do these massive He was in a hurry to get his message out. Yeah, and really he had decided that he needed to do that We don't have much time left and i'd like you to read the part of the book That you chose to read to our audience today. Could you do that? Sure And I I should uh, I should say that this This is about the legacy of of to large extent of the israel that we see today and and and there's a broader implication I think in terms of american politics in the whole world, but uh I said hex remarkable polemics helped shape the public debate about what lessons to draw from the war On the one side were the humanists the mainstream zionists Who envisioned the jewish state as a liberal democracy and put faith in diplomacy Multilateralism and international law On the other side were hectic in the air gun who believed that jews could rely on and could be judged by No one but themselves the liberals saw the war as a victory of their ideology over fascism With the birth of the united nations the vote for partition the nuremberg trials the first declaration on human rights and a convention on genocide The 1940s were formative years for international law and jews could point to these achievements as assurances of their basic rights But conversely hectic in the air gun read the war as confirmation that the jews could not survive By the rules the world made for them While the mainstream zionists trusted in the united states and britain Hex faction maintained that even the world's great democracies had failed the jews in their hour of need Thus while both sides vowed never again, they disagreed about how to guarantee that vow The liberal zionists believed in the rule of international law while hectic in the air gun believed in the rule of the gun Very interesting provocative. You've done a lot of work on this. This is a great book How can i get the book? Well, uh, i'm just submitting the manuscript to uh, indiana university press So they're not we haven't signed a contract. They're not under obligation yet to publish it But uh, we've come along this far. They they want them the manuscript and I think it probably takes about a year To go through all the edits and everything we'll wait. We got to see this book This is an important book and relevant in our time. Yeah, thank you, julian goreback really appreciate you coming Thank you for inviting me. That was awesome


Hi and welcome to the session. I'm Kanika and I'm going to help you to solve the following question. The question says the diameter of the base of coal is 10.5 centimeters and its land height is 10.8 meters. Find its curve surface area. Before solving this question, we should know that what is meant by a right circular coal. The solid generated by the rotation of a right angled triangle about one of the sides containing the right angle is called a right circular cone. So if we have right angled triangle at A and if we generate this triangle about OA then it generates a cone like this. OA is called the vertex of the core and you can see that base of this cone is circular. Radius of this cone is AB. Length OA is called the height of the core and this that is OB is known as land height of the core. So we usually denote height by edge, land height by L and radius by R. Now we should know the formula for finding the curve surface area of a cone. Curve surface area of a cone is equal to pi RL where R is the radius of the cone and L is the slant height of the cone. And remember that L squared is equal to H squared plus R squared. So in the order of this is the key idea in this question. Now begin with the solution. In the question we are given that diameter of the base of the cone is 10.5 centimeter. This means this whole portion is equal to 10.5 centimeters. Our diameter is equal to 10.5 centimeters therefore radius is equal to 10.5 by 2 centimeters and this is equal to 105 by 20 centimeters. It is given to us that its slant height is 10 centimeters. This is given as 10 centimeters. Now we have to determine the curve surface area of this cone. We know that curve surface area is equal to pi RL. So substitute the value of pi R and L in this. Pi is equal to 22 by 7. R is equal to 105 by 20 centimeters. L is equal to 10 centimeters. On cancelling 105 by 7 we get 50. On cancelling 10 by 20 we get 1 by 2. And on cancelling 22 by 2 we get 11. Now 11 into 15 is 165. So curve surface area of a cone is 165 centimeters square. Hence our required answer is 165 centimeters square. I hope you understood the question and enjoy the session. Bye and take care.