The first person that I get to introduce is a great pleasure, a colleague of mine, Dave Lounsbury, who's the Chief Technical Officer for the Open Group. I'm not used to spelling it out, I just usually say CTO. As CTO, Dave ensures that the people in IT resources at the Open Group are effectively used to implement the organization's strategy and mission, including the Open Group's proven processes for collaboration and certification, both within the organization and in support of a third-party consortia. In this presentation, Dave will give a brief overview of the Open Group vision, how standards enable the digital-first enterprise, the principles by which the Open Group will develop such standards, an update on progress on key work products, and a roadmap of future activities. So over to you, Dave. Great, thank you very much, Steve, for that intro. Yeah, it has been a while, my hair is quite white. So I want to talk a little bit today about what the Open Group means to be digital and how we recognize the change in industry direction that you've heard from many of our other speakers, and we'll hear again from our speakers this afternoon, and I want to talk about how we've reacted to that through the development of standards. Start with one of our first standards, the DP Box standards, and then talk about the lessons we've learned organizationally and how we're building on that to move towards a portfolio of open digital standards for digital-first enterprises. So we hear the word digital thrown around a lot, and a lot of people have different definitions of it, and a lot of people are confused by this term digital transformation. And you're not alone in being confused. Confusion is rooted in focusing on the transformation itself, you know, how do I get from A to B, or technologies labeled as digital, some like smack it, technologies, and not so much on what it takes to be a sustainable digital enterprise. And to do this, you really need to look beyond this immediate transformation to what competencies and processes you need to operate that sustainable digital enterprise. Transformation is just how you get there, it's the as is from the 2B. Now this is widely recognized, as Andra said, this is a transformation that has been going on for a long time, and we're starting to get good industry guidance on how that change is happening. People are looking beyond simply applying our past incremental architecture approaches and program management strategies to reorienting organizations through the delivery of value through digital technology. This is something Mckinsey calls the great accelerator. As Andra mentioned, you know, we're all being forced to be digital in our delivery of goods and services. And you see the quote here from the book that was written by Jeannie Ross, Cynthia Beath and Martin Mocker, that we're business is now taking a look beyond their past enterprise architectures and really asking themselves, what do we need to do to be a digital first organization.  And those things have changed the way we interact with our customers. And now these other other guidance, as I think is as exemplified by our design for digital book is that you're the reorientation to not confuse this this progress and digitization with the transformation of your business model from a mixed delivery mode to one where the delivery of goods and services digitally is your primary way of doing business. This is what I've heard Jeannie Ross say many times, ask what is the Uber moment in your in your industry. Now, of course, the open group members recognize this, and we're reshaping our standards to address the needs of these digital first enterprises. We're working to coordinate the activities of the forms and work groups to produce a coherent and cohesive set of standards to address this, this digital change, and give you the guidance you need to sustainably operate a digital first enterprises. I'll talk about the specifics in a bit, but I first want to talk about what's motivated us for this. And then we'll go in and look at some of our existing and upcoming open digital standards. So what motivates us now, you see my white hair here. And of course, what my generation always does is we blame the millennials, but the millennials here are really the digital natives. These are people who have grown up with digital access, and they expect to interact with your enterprise digitally, even if it's only doing a web search to check your reputation on their social networks. And these people are really showing us the way to the digital future. You know that and the acceleration of COVID, which people have mentioned, this was happening already in the, your organization's ability to satisfy this, this mode of interaction and satisfy the, the digital natives desire to conveniently look up and access your product and services that's, that convenience is going to outweigh any loyalty they have to your product, service or brand. You know, you don't really control the buying agenda with these customers the way you might have in the past. That's a big challenge. Now, there's no reason we can't meet this challenge. We have abundant computing and network resources and nobody lacks a technical means to meet the expectation of these digital natives. Now many companies are in the midst of reorganizing themselves to do this, and a lot of them are struggling to do that. And so this is where the standards and practices defined by the open group come in. What we need is the models for creating and growing a digital enterprise and digitally savvy workforce that has the knowledge to turn these abundant computing resources into the actual value for the digital customer. I want to emphasize this workforce point, the ability to train and manage a digital workforce is likely to be a key differentiator in your ability to run a digital first enterprise. There's a strong correlation between enterprises who have successfully made transformations to a digital first orientation and the companies that are making investments in the digital workforce retraining for all their employees. We heard yesterday from Fidelity, they talked about their 20% Tuesday, a day that's dedicated to employee reeducation for this new digital model. So obviously we need to retrain people and they need a knowledge base to do that from, and this knowledge needs to be captured in such a way that it can be used by staff at all levels. This is not just a C-level transformation. The other thing to keep in mind is, as every business person should, that if you succeed in your business, someone other than you is going to be doing the work over time, right? You may start it, but then you'll delegate it and it'll be handed off. So we need to arm the people you're delegating to with the knowledge they need to succeed in the digital world. Now we do have to, of course, recognize the fact that digital's rapid rise was fueled by a lot of technological advances, you know, these new approaches to interacting with your customers and then enable or, like, digital, excuse me, social, mobile, cloud computing that provides us that abundant computing resources, big data and advanced analytics and now increasingly internet of things and artificial intelligence. You need a business framework to make sense of all these things. You're just going to end up chasing the shiny toys and not really making that digital transition. What role does the open group play? Well, we're a standards body as you heard earlier today. We make standards and guides. We enable, we produce training materials and create training ecosystems and we create programs so that practitioners and services can be certified so that you know they're following these standards and best practices. Given that, we're all Agile people, so we ask ourselves what's the job to be done? What do we need to make these kinds of standards happen? So we want to gather the best practices for digital success from across the industry and we want to make sure that these are rooted in the dual enablers of lean and Agile. Now, the open group does this. For those of you who are members, you're very familiar with this. We do it through open participation and development of consensus positions and then we use that to produce the relevant and usable content. And as I said earlier, back that with training and certification programs. And this, of course, enables the individuals who have taken that training and have gotten certified to succeed at digital activities.  We might ask ourselves, well, don't we have plenty of standards that we can use for digital? Well, there's a lot we can learn from. There's a lot of industry past practice that's provided a strong foundation that's gotten us this far. But we always need to filter this past practice through the lens of a digital first delivery model. And not all guidance is going to pass that test. Some of it is not rooted in that, that Agile and learning environment that we heard about earlier. Some of it is very prescriptive in terms of you have to go exactly right to left. That it actually, we need to think about whether it lacks community involvement, whether it's kept up to date or not. So these are things we want to learn from, but not necessarily replicate. So the open group tackled this problem. We formed our digital practitioner work group several years ago now. And I'll let you read the vision here. But it's basically, how do we gather that information? How do we understand what it means to be digital? And how do we make that provide that digital customer experience that Andrash mentioned in the previous presentation? So we've started with this digital practitioner work group. We've got several other forums participating. We heard about, well, I'll get to that later. So it's an idea that is spreading throughout the open group. And of course, where we want to start was, what are our definitions? Andrash has stolen my thunder a bit here. He's shown some of these definitions, but they're good ones here. We have the definitions of getting back to that cartoon. We actually do have a definition for what it means to be digital. And we draw the distinction between a digital enterprise that delivers value through digital means or mediates their physical goods and services through digital means. And we separate that from the digitalization, that incremental improvement of our processes that improve our ability to service those customers. A digital transformation is something where we reform the business model of the organization towards becoming a digital enterprise. And that's supported by digital technology. We've got one I want to hint at here, a digital product. The definition that's coming soon, being developed by our IT for IT forum. So you can join with them, if you're open group members, to help shape that definition. First output of this group was the digital practitioner body of knowledge standard. This is an attempt to create a truly open consensus framework for what matters and what people should know to be digital. There's a lot of books, blogs, videos, conferences, everything you can imagine. There's a lot of volume, and the variety of this information tends to be a little overwhelming. So we've taken that, we've abstracted those best practices. We developed it actually using open source and DevOps approaches. And what we've done is we've curated the most credible current information on a comprehensive and well-organized set of topics with a digital practitioner. It's organized in kind of a unique way. Typically, when you see standards, you see either a life cycle approach that you go from plan, build, run, or left to right. Or you get a stack approach that you have different layers of things that you do, each one depending on the other. And one of the things that we strongly recognize when we see companies going through their digital experience is that you start small and you grow. There's case studies, and I'll cite those from the MIT CISR. That says a transition for digital is best done through an innovation approach. You start small and you bring the learning and success models back to the parent organization. We also wanted to stay away from this left to right and waterfall thinking that's characterized a lot of past practices and really focus on what you need to know when you need to know it at your current stage of evolution, instead of having to figure it out from scale-free guidance. And this replicates what you see in industry where organizations tend to cluster at certain points of growth in their life cycle. And so we really wanted to structure our guidance around that, ask ourselves, what's the simplest thing that could possibly work at your current stage of evolution, and how can we prepare people to take the next step in their evolution? And you'll see here the four key, what we call, context that we've done this in, the individual founder, where you have a small startup activity, whether embedded in an enterprise or in the garage. We talk about building the team to grow the organization. At some point, one team is too big to manage, so you talk about the team of teams approach. And then at some point, you get to the idea you've got lots of teams and you've got to worry about your organizational continuity and governance for the long term. That's the organizational structure of the DPBoc. And you can see here that structure and what we call the 12 competency areas inside the DPBoc, the digital fundamentals at the founder level, the digital fundamentals of how you actually deliver value digitally, what infrastructure you need to do that and what you need to think about to deliver your first digital application.  You've got multiple iterations for a product and you need to think about how that gets run. The team needs to figure out how to work. There have to be work styles and you have to manage the activities of the team and how they get their work done and how you measure them, how you hold them accountable to use the CISR term. And of course, there's a certain amount of operations management, you've got products to deliver, you've got to think about workflow schedules and things like that, so you get core management activities. When you get to the point where you've got multiple teams involved, you really need to think about organizational issues, things like organization and culture. You need to divide your financial resources among the teams and make bets for which one of those teams is going to succeed, so you need to think about your portfolio and how you invest in it. And you need to think about cross-team coordination because there's going to be activities that will span team boundaries. And finally, as that team of teams culture succeeds, you need to think about the ongoing, enduring enterprise concerns, governance, risk, security, compliance audits, things like that. You need to treat your information as an asset. You need to have a robust enterprise architecture that can accommodate a learning environment. So that's the whirlwind tour of the DP BOC. Now, as I said, we backed that up with a certification and training ecosystem for your digital workforce. You can learn more about this at this URL here, opengroup.org slash certification slash DP BOC. And that's been the foundation of our digital thinking here at the open group. We haven't stopped there. In any learning organization, you need to capture what you've learned and start having it influence the rest of your organization, move to that team of teams level. And so what did we learn? And how do we apply this to other standards? Though we've developed a vision, what we call the digital first enterprise. And this is I'll let you read it here, very close to the open group vision, but helping the businesses create value for their customers using digital and agile ways of working. And we're doing that through developing a set of standards that can be used together to accelerate the adoption of digital practices in an organization. This vision is guided by a set of principles. And now this is a published document of the open group. You can see the link down here in the bottom, where the first step we've done is to codify these principles. And these cover things like the business principle. What are the business objectives you want to get for your open digital standards? Things like consistency that you provide a continuum of guidance for people who are coming into this new digital world and that you make sure that you bring along the practitioners who are fluent in other practices and can have them quickly adopt the digital practices as well. We want to talk about what a digital standard should say about digital practices. I've mentioned earlier the assumptions of lean and agile. It's fundamental that you have a learning organization, that you use iteration as a way of exploring your customer requirements and deliver value incrementally. If you're going to do that incrementally, you need to have continuous delivery and you need to be efficient at doing that. We've talked already about things like the emergence model that you need to be prepared to grow in an organization. We also want our standards to talk about how they can navigate scaling boundaries as they're coming from a more traditional organization that's been successful for years. How do they start to retool themselves so that they can adopt some of these new digital ways of working? And finally, we want there to be a very high quality set of standards. We want there to be a consistent terminology. We want there to be these standards to be easily navigable and easily discoverable. Remember that digital native I talked about earlier? If they can't find their way, if they're in the workforce and they can't find their way through these standards, they're not going to move on. They're going to look for other materials. So we need to make sure that our standards live up to the expectations of our digital consumers. Now, the open groups forms are responding strongly to this vision. I've talked about the standards that are already there, DP Box standard. I'll say a few more words about our open agile architecture standard. Our IT for IT standard, which has been a reference architecture for delivering IT technology products, is reorienting itself towards this digital vision, and in particular, looking towards the management of digital delivery and digital products. And of course, we just heard about our zero trust and our security standards, things like zero trust and the OTTF, which are essential for having trustable components. Our forms, like I said, are already working together on this. We're starting to map content between these things. I'll give some examples in just a second. We've done a rigid structure for our digital work. It's very complex to coordinate. And we're going to take that lean approach that we advocate for developing consistency and cohesiveness amongst our standards. So let me dive into some of those examples from the last few minutes here. Our most recent big publication in this area has been the open agile architecture standards. And you can see the publication number here. It's a truly excellent document. It underpins how you architect an organization to be digital and operate at scale in an iterative way. It emphasizes the iteration for learning from the marketplace. We want to have it based on a product architecture vision so you can quickly innovate your product and learn from that market feedback. We want it to be based on a business operating model that is scalable. And that will be underpinned by modular and reusable software components. And finally, one that's very important in any agile organization, how you reshape your organization such that the communication among and the feedback from the marketplace flows quickly to the people who can affect it. Agile organization also, of course, has an operating model that learns and scales from this. And you see here the key parts of that, the feedback from the customer, the product architecture, the agile strategy, driving a set of products that you iterate and redesign to make sure that you're always meeting the needs of the customer. And that's underpinned by knowledgeable digital workforce automation to deliver quickly reusable software assets and a good and secure sourcing mechanism. Let me move on to IT for IT. We said IT for IT has always provided a solid foundation for how you go from your strategy, your business strategy, to developing software, to fulfilling that software in the marketplace and operating that successfully. As you heard yesterday from Jan Strobe, that's already been being used to manage the flow of digital products. And learning from this and taking on board the IT, the digital principles, they're in the process of updating its standard. And you're going to see this idea of the service model backbone being migrated to a new version with towards a digital product backbone in the V3 version. There's already a preview of this that you can take a look at. This is the white paper, why business and IT have to co-create strategy in the digital enterprise. And you can see here already that adaptation from the digital lifecycle management to digital product management. And to give you a little preview of what's going on there, you can see here the classic IT for IT plan, build, deliver, and run ideas now being overlaid with those feedback paths where an organization constantly iterates at all levels in order to take the feedback from the marketplace and feed it all the way back, not into just product development, but all the way back to its strategy and portfolio management. That reorientation towards customer facing, customer feedback, and learning is very important. So last but never least, the Togaf library has vast amounts of information on best practices in the enterprise and how to do architecture for business at all scales. And our architecture forum is working to make that knowledge accessible to the digital practitioners and the architects that are supporting digital enterprises at all scales and driving those digital transformations. So this document is currently in company review for those members of the open group or in the audience. I'd urge you to take a look at this and please give us your comments. So we've talked about our digital vision and how some of our standards fit. I'm going to build this out all the way. There are many places where our standards apply in building out a digital transfer, in supporting a digital transformation. You'll see them here. We've got a lot of activity going along across a lot of forums. And we've got a long road ahead of us. We've got things that we want to do and we'd like you all to join with us here, having a consistent terminology, being able to talk about how you manage people and bring people along, how we modularize the documents that I mentioned earlier, and of course, continual improvement to make our standards specific. So that's a whirlwind overview of what we're doing in our digital vision here. Again, please join us. If you want to learn more, I'll point you to our very good digital enterprise web page and there's some very good YouTube videos on that explore this in a little bit more depth.


A commitment to extend all necessary support to individuals impacted by the incident occurring on Wednesday, September 7, 2023, has been issued by Acting Chief Fire Officer Mr. Dutney Downs. In a statement reflecting the commitment of officers to preserve the safety of nationals, Mr. Downs reaffirmed the continued commitment of officers to maintaining the highest standards of professional service. The Senator of Fire Service wishes to reassure the public that the organization maintains the highest level of professionalism among its emergency vehicle drivers, including ambulance drivers. With the critical nature of calls undertaken by the department, every second counts. Emergency response officers remain dedicated to the safe transportation of members of the public to and from medical facilities. According to the Acting Chief, the St. Lucia Fire Service holds several chapters of its Emergency Vehicle Operator course per year, with two sessions being completed within recent weeks. The 40-hour courses were conducted from the 14th to the 18th and 24th to the 25th of August 2023. No new undertaking the Emergency Vehicle Operator's course, EVOC, has formed part of the training curriculum of the St. Lucia Fire Service for several years. The Emergency Vehicle Operator course has been administered by the St. Lucia Fire Service for the past five years, commencing in 2018. Officers continue to be engaged in training through the support of the United States Agency for International Development, USAID, which is in alignment with stringent international standards. In 2022, in excess of 15,000 ambulance calls were recorded by the St. Lucia Fire Service. In that year, only one accident involving emergency responders was recorded. Maintaining the safety of members of the public while delivering care remains of significant importance to all officers. The safety record of the department remains almost unblemished and is a standard accorded the highest priority on a day-to-day basis. An investigation to determine the cause of the incident, which occurred on Wednesday, September 6, has been launched and remains ongoing. Providing an update on the officers affected, the Acting Fire Chief also addressed the potential impact of the incident on its ability to serve the public. The loss of the ambulance will present some challenges to the response rendered due to the impact on resources. However, the government of St. Lucia has approved the purchase of four new ambulances. This is expected to improve the response extended to members of the public. Two officers of the St. Lucia Fire Service, the driver and attendant on board, have been discharged and are recuperating. Mr Downs also revealed that engagement of the individuals affected by Wednesday's incident was swift, with assurances of support extended on site. Immediately after the rescue operations were conducted on Wednesday morning, I spoke with the tenant and the individual responsible for the home impacted. I conveyed that the St. Lucia Fire Service is committed through its insurance agents to ensure that the property is restored to its original state. 45 minutes after the rescue operation concluded, the insurance adjuster arrived on site. He was accompanied by the Deputy Chief Fire Officer, Mr Thomas John. Earlier today, I also spoke with the individual who was accompanying the patient and assured her that the department remains fully committed to provide any support necessary. The Minister for Home Affairs, along with the management and staff of the Department of Home Affairs and St. Lucia Fire Service, extends sincere condolences to the family and friends of the deceased and empathy to the family impacted. From the Department of Home Affairs, I am Keebertallium reporting.


Career Exploration You might be feeling nervous about picking a college program and that's normal. It's a big decision But it's also possible that you're nervous because you aren't quite ready to pick a program This video is going to discuss two theories of career development This will help to take some of the pressure off and disprove any misconceptions you might have Specifically the idea that you need to decide right now what you're gonna do for your entire life First off, let's break down Donald super's career development model There are five stages to this model, but the one we're gonna look at is exploration This stage usually occurs between the age of 15 and 24. So right around the time you're starting to really think about your future Uncertainty is extremely common at this point. So don't worry if you're feeling a bit directionless or questioning what lies ahead in The exploration stage. It's important to do just that Explore let your interests questions and curiosities guide you take a class Volunteer or shadow workers in different fields Maybe you'll love cooking building or working with kids, but you won't know until you try After you've had a chance to dabble in a few different areas, you'll become more self-aware Which is to say you'll get a stronger idea of what you want to do The second model that may help you relax a bit is John Comboldt's model of planned happenstance Despite what you see in media or expectations that you might feel are being placed on you Career paths are not a straight line These days relatively few people train for a job get that job and then work in that field until retirement In this sense uncertainty is actually a gift It allows you to be open and flexible embracing new opportunities as they arise The fact is you could do everything right and still find yourself switching careers due to unpredictable shifts in the labor market Like technological advances. We live in a changing world and managing career shifts is just a fact of professional life now This might sound scary, but when you don't have a set path, it's easy to say yes to exciting new opportunities as they come up Planned happenstance ultimately is about welcoming the unexpected so embrace your uncertainty and enjoy the exploration process You're not on anyone's timeline, but your own so really get a feel for different career options Figure out what you enjoy and take it from there


We don't want fake news.  Am I against Iverrecton? I wouldn't say 99% of my callings are. Oh! No, clothing's not essential.   Yeah! We're about to see who's killing people. Okay. Um, there-there is no virus. You said there is no virus?  Hello, folks. I am here with the international DJ known as Grifter 160, the host of the Cole James Cash Show. The co-host of Log Off already means morning news correspondent, folks. It's Cole James Cash. Cole, welcome to the program. It's been-it's been a couple of years, Mike. How's it going? I'm doing okay. How are you?  Canadians apparently want to see that up here, you know? So we-we get into that. Yeah. So basically, you attended this rally.  I just-I'm-I'm going to be perfectly honest. My perception of Canadians is that they're just wonderful people because, I mean, when you live in America, almost anything feels like it's better and preferable, but this kind of destroyed my view of Canadians.  Because some of these clips that we're about to show people is mind-boggling. So what was this? Okay, so what this was was this is a-which, first of all, you need-which you need to understand about Canada is, okay, I'm-I'm American. I'm from Oakland, okay? My wife-my wife is from up here in Sudbury, okay? And then, of course, my good friend, brother Q, formerly known as Andre Domiz, he stays out in Toronto.  Uh, you know, that guy, I don't like nobody, especially white people, but he says, let me just know I want to talk to him. So that's a good sign. That makes you feel so honored. Yeah, that makes you feel honored. That's a great sign. So with that said, I went to London, Ontario to attend the Back the Blue Freedom Rally, I think it's called. Um, now Back the Blue is because of this individual named Chris Sky. I have a tough time with his last name. It's a-it's a very-it's an Italian last name, you know? I don't want to butcher it, you know? Um, I don't know if you noticed, but when you look at Michelle Fiorre, you know, look at my home co-host, Antonia Nicola, Italians are in right now. So Chris Sky, okay? He started this Back the Blue rally similar to like, you know, America's Back the Blue, but it's for, allegedly, to raise money for cops who don't want to get vaccinated and want to fight the lawsuit.  Um, a very rich real estate developer. I guess him and his dad are beefing, I don't know. My partner Karim would have more insight on that. You can have her on, you know, when you get the chance because she can break it down even more than me. I'm giving you the American point of view, which if you know the American point of view, I'm giving you, you know, watered down, whatever it is that I see. But with that said, he's like his dad, he's suing his dad right now, you know, for whatever reason. And this guy's been on this anti-mask hype for about a year, year and a half. His wife, a woman named Jenny Sky, I guess she's a former escort from Miami, you know, nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, bringing this, you know, he's, he's larping this like, you know, you saw the footage and what will show the don't tread on me flags, the we want freedom type stuff. Now, as you saw in the footage, I'm American.   So I'm just like thinking, okay, you know, I think I'm gonna need to get out there and ask some questions and see what's going on, because what you're essentially seeing is there's a party called the PPC. PPC is sort of the alt-right, you know, right to conservative. There would be, you know, you have the new Democratic Party and the liberals, which is basically, you know, if AOC and the squad had their own party, it'd be the NDP. What I mean by that is, is like, okay, they're slightly more progressive. I'm not one to demonize the squad, but she is my favorite though. That's my girl. You know why? Because she sticks to 313 Detroit and what's going on in Palestine, and she don't speak on nothing else, because she's focused on that. And I respect that a lot, but I have no hate for the squad or anything like that. But the NDP sort of would reflect what the squad would be if they could have their own party. The liberals is like genuinely like the Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, right? And we don't vote for prime minister. What you do is they literally, when we were deciding to vote, I was shocked.  They don't even give you a name, ballots, no down ballot, nothing like who you voting for. So we wrote in our, well, we wanted to win, not Everelli. Okay, she's a part of the NDP. I thought she had some decent progressive, whatever. And that's it. Like, and whoever has the party majority, that's they, that party picks their prime minister. So as cool as my man, Jagmeet, AKA swag meet sing. Okay, cool. I'm, if he was American, he'd be that dude, because he is that dude. But does he has some neoliberal aspects to him? Yeah. They don't do this like superstar, like put them on every magazine. Trudeau isn't popping like that to where they do that. They don't hero worship our people like that. They don't have cool names like swag meet. That tells you how polarized I'm as far left as you can possibly get and I still do it. So going back to Chris Sky developing a cult of personality for Canadians for politicians, it's not easy to do. And he was able to do it because Chris guy has a bigoted racist. Think of Mike Sernovich.  You know, shout out to Big Burger. You know, and shout out to my father, Sam Cedar. I don't know if you know that's my dad. He's my uncle. That's your uncle. No, no, you can ask Sam himself. You can ask Sam himself. Ask Jamie Peck. They know. Sam will tell you himself that I am his son. With that said, I wouldn't be shocked that was your uncle because that glasses them glasses. But yeah, like the guys like that, like like a Sernovich character, these guys understand that, okay, these kind of he was kind of rocking with the PPC, you know, which is a far right party that is gaining traction. Okay, they have like 800,000 something votes up from just a I forgot how many thousand from 2019. So just because they're nicer up here about it in Canada, those same white grievances exist. And you saw in my footage, the type of racism and things like that, that you see outright. The thing is about, yeah, good. Yeah, I was going to say, so there's a couple of moments in particular where I was genuinely concerned for your safety. And it felt like what you'd expect from America. And you said this a couple of times just without the guns. But aside from that, there's also the stupidity that you see at these really weird QAnon anti-vax rallies. So I'm glad that you gave us the context for some of this, because I think that people I made sense here, I hope I what I said, no, I think that was that was really a perfect primer, because people don't necessarily understand the dynamic in Canada. We're all kind of self-absorbed here. And hopefully so this affects us. The parliamentary system is so much better. But look at what I said. We don't vote for Prime Minister. I just voted for one person. They don't even give you a ballot. It's just write this, write that in, write it in. Yeah, that's it. I know it's going to question if this is real or not. You know, like as an American, we're beat down with that. So the idea that a simple system that works. Well, and this is what's so strange to me. Cool. Seeing the people that you interviewed want what we have here in America is baffling to me. But without further ado, I want to get to this first clip. So this is what I prepared. This is just a really quick. This is kind of the craziest moments. I just want people to get a small taste of what you dealt with here. And then I'll kind of pick your brain about this. So here's the first clip. It's a couple of clips that I threw together. This board said clothing is not essential. Remember clothing is not essential. This is what you get.   Yeah.  But he is. Okay. That's all I needed. So what does info wars mean to you? First of all, at info wars.com, the website, all the alternate media, all the news, and that you don't hear on CNN. Okay. Everything you don't hear on CNN. So what are we not hearing? Oh my god, where do you start? The vaccines are killing people. Okay. There is no virus. You said there is no virus?  I don't even know where to start. What's your name? Sundra? Sundra. Yellow. That sounds like Saturday morning cartoon hero type scene. Yeah. Sundra was really nice. Yeah. You actually had a great conversation with her, but I just loved your comment about the Saturday morning cartoon because it was so spot on. Here's what's weird. This isn't America, Cole. No. This isn't in America. This is in Canada. So you see info wars. You see the conspiratorial mindset and it's not as prevalent in Canada, but it still is a thing that is growing. And I feel like what we do, we kind of rub off on the worst of Canada. So there were a couple of moments throughout the course of this event. You had some really solid conversations with people and I think that you were incredibly nice to them. So there was no reason for them to be fearful of you, but they were very, very angry that you were there. So here's one clip that I wanted to play. I don't know what this lady had against you, but if you can break it down for me and maybe psychoanalyze her, please do, because this was really weird to me. Okay.  That vibe is what I got from her. What was your vibe? Okay. So that, okay. So that woman right there is a huge supportive Chris guy and my partner, I don't know if you saw, you know, I don't know if you saw her, my partner Karima, she's the one who was doing this first and I'm the one who started joining her on this because she's like, this type of Gonzo guerrilla journalism that we're doing, let's say, Molly Konger and them types do. No one else does it up here. So she was the only one. So I literally went down there, like my first time, what's wrong? I was like, let me do this with you. Because I know how to do this. I know how to cover this. I got you. You know, like I used to always complain about Twitch streamers or streamers, YouTubers I won't name, like y'all don't even leave the house man. There's a front line right there. So it doesn't matter if I'm up here in Canada, Mike, I had to go out there and because I know how to maneuver these. So basically when I got there, she saw me with Karima. So, you know, she'd already identified the idea.  I'm with, you know, I'm getting this footage for a mean CV as well as TYT. Shout out to Ray Vana and Jeff Waldorf. You know, I was on both of their shows showing the footage, et cetera. Yeah. Big shout out to Jeff too, because, you know, Jeff, you know why Jeff doesn't get harassed? Because he does no hot takes whatever everything he does is measured and hey, this is what happened in news. Here's why you should go further left. So big shout out to Jeff. But with that said, she just, I don't know if you notice all the people around our age might, you know, I'm about to return 39, but people that were, you know, mid 20s, late 20s, early 30s, you know, they were all really reasonable. And this woman right here, it's just you'll notice the people who are closest to this guy. Like I said, think about Trump and the cult of personality. Yeah. Only I can do this. I have to do it all. I have to sell this and this and this. And that's what this individual Chris Sky.  You can't progress without me. So she's only acting on that. You see what I'm saying? She's just right. Interesting. I have to get to this because she comes back later with a bullhorn and she finds you. And so I want to play the rest of this clip because I mean, out of out of all of the people who I felt like were genuine, genuine threats to you, she probably wasn't a threat, but she was the most outraged at your presence there. So I'm going to let them, let them see this and see what you had to deal with. So that lady was really angry with you, but there was this one moment with this guy and he, I got really like weird vibes from him and I was genuinely worried for your safety here. So let me, let me play this clip and there's the lady again, of course. And I'm going to be here. So as long as it's legally permitted for me to be here, then I'm going to be here. I'm as welcome here as you, as this is public land.  I'm just going to get on here. Listen to our freedom for once. What was that? Don't bring your American stuff over here.  No, that's, so she's simping for Chris Guy again, but I wanted to ask you about that. So this is what confused me. So these are people who are larping as Americans. I think that's a really good way to put it. Because they're just throwing around freedom every other word. Right. But yet he's angry that you're bringing this American stuff here. I just, I'm, I'm confused. It seems like a contradiction and he just genuinely, like I think he wanted to physically attack you, but he, it took everything to hold it in. What is your take on that? Okay. My take is this now, Mike, you know, I've been around a couple of years now.  I'll ask you, Mike, did I not explain that on the debate streams and things like that? This is how I carry myself. So, you know, I brought that energy right there. I'm going to do what I'm going to do because it's important. And if you're going to stand in the way of that, then we'll have to have a further discussion about it. So whether or not he felt like he wanted to do something. I'm, it's just two of us, two, three of us out there. If he wanted to do something, it would have been done. So if he had that, if he, if that was really in his heart to be that way, he would have done it and it's not any, it's not, you know what I mean? Yeah. And that's the best way I could put it in all honesty. And as an outsider who wasn't there, I feel like they were mad that you weren't intimidated by them. Yeah. I think that they expected you to kind of feel unwelcome, but you didn't really back down.  You were literally just there filming and having conversations with people and they didn't like that they weren't able to intimidate you. So we'll watch the rest of this, but there's another portion. I hope I answered that question. I hope I was able to answer that. No, you did. Absolutely. No, because this is, this is really, this is fascinating to me. So we'll play this off. And then I have another clip that I definitely want to ask you about. Yeah. Yeah, I just, yeah. So the clip that I really wanted to ask you about is as scary as that lady was, I think that there was just a little bit of irrationality there.  I'm here just to ask you some questions. Hold on, you see Chris Guy right there, Jason? Right, that's this guy. What you're seeing that black, the brother right there, that's the bodyguard. And I had to scope that out right away. What you're going to see here is now see, he doesn't know that I know, but he's going to move to my blind. Now you might be wondering like, you know, what else contributes to me not being scared is because literally Karima is a lawyer for the crown.  You know what I mean?  Do you really want to touch an independent journalist from MeanCV and a lawyer from the crown whose coverings? Do you really want to take it to that level?  Because I mean, Mike, we have the power to make that headline with the people we know, because that's what happened, if that's what would have happened. But I shouldn't say we have the power, but it's like, yo, I could pass this off to five journalists. I was assaulted by the anti-mask rally. I'm just an innocent American journalist, you know? Do you want that headline? It's a choice to whether you want to do that or not. You see what I'm saying? Here's one thing that really is perplexing to me is that, and this is a generalization about right-wingers in America, and I'm sure it extends to these people, the LARPers, but they often say, well, you know, these lefties, they don't want debates, they don't want to express ideas.  I am. I told them. But you still, you weren't disrespectful at all. I watched everything that was filmed. Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. No, you were, okay. There were moments where I don't know how you held your composure, but you were incredibly polite. And for them to be this hostile, as we're going to see from this clip, it was really astounding. And of course, we can't play all of the footage of this event, but you were, you were very, very polite with these people. And they just, they wanted nothing to do with you. Just asking questions. You can always repost it on your Twitter because I put the whole thing up on my YouTube. So, you know, you can always post. Okay, okay. Yeah, you can always, if people want to see the whole thing, just repost it on Twitter so that people can see it all. I'll link to it down below for those watching on YouTube. And if you're on Meantz TV, you'll have to check out the Twitter for Cole. But let's go ahead and watch this woman who confronted you and was very, very adamant that you leave because you disagree. We are the people of the real world. We are the people, yeah. We are the people. We're here for freedom. What are you here for? I got you, man. You know, I got the sign. You know, I got the sign on me. Now, you see how the bodyguard was in my blind spot? Yeah, yeah. But I know he's there. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. I know he's there and I don't care. Okay. We are here for freedom. Now, if you remove the context, I would just assume this is in Mississippi. Yeah. We are the people, freedom. So, it's really, it's a little bit, I feel bad that Americans are rubbing off on Canadians in this way. I mean, it's not necessarily surprising because America has such a huge influence on the world. But to know that, you know, Americans have this much of a cultural sway over Canadians, it is a little bit depressing. And we'll get to the guy who had that sign in a second here. But I do want to show people that even the weirdest, bizarre little subcults that we have, it does exist in Canada. So, for example, we have a lot of people who are adamant that the COVID vaccines don't work, but there's an alternate cure. And we're going to see that here.  What's wrong with you?   It's to do this type of thing, when you're going to walk into this type of hornet's nest, this is where me being, you know, me joking about me being a smiling, tall, handsome guy, I have to turn the charm on all the way. Because, you know, I'll be honest, too. It came to a point where hilariously, I turned down an anti-masker. I was like, I'm married. Okay, I can't, you know, like...  Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, I did. I turned down an anti-masker.  Right, right. Because if I'm not out there with any black bloc, I'm not a part of any political movement here in Canada. I'm plugged into folks, don't disname that. But I'm not a part of any official movement. I'm there literally representing the news. So I have to do similar to, I had to do similar to what, I forget the guy's name, the Irishman, who goes to the MAGA rallies. Jordan Klepper, who goes to the MAGA rallies. Right, right. John Oliver, I studied John Oliver for about a decade ago. I'm like, what do they do?  You know? And so it makes it easier. Like I said, when you make people laugh and things like that, I'm sanitizing what I think are sick individuals who really, really, really are looking for something to believe in. And it's a few people taking advantage of individuals who, if you look, these people are lonely, Mike. These people are lonely and nobody who has fulfillment in their life engages in something like this. If you like, there's just no way, it doesn't matter how much money you have or don't have, as most of these people have money. I'm sorry. Well, these are not like working poor types. And there's an argument to be made that look, if you have a mandate, you've got to address the inequality of positions that led to the outbreaks in the first place before you force people. I do get that. But that's not what these individuals are saying. It becomes, Satan is going to overtake your DNA. Okay? And yeah, like what you see from true news and all that, like it's hilarious. I used to watch right wing watch because I thought it was hilarious. Now it's become, well, this is the playbook. So when I go out to these rallies, I'm like, I'm here in out, I'm near upstate New York, near Toronto, et cetera. And I've got to hear this. That playbook is being used here. And so look, like I said, you look at ivermectin, then also you look at the damage that I can go ahead and say it, the Jimmy tort door types are doing. It's having a direct effect on the health and mental wellbeing of people across the border. So that ignorance, we're exporting it. Yeah, that's perfectly put. We are exporting ignorance. And this is a photograph from the boot that the ivermectin sisters had set up. I don't know if they're sisters, but that's what I'm calling them. And also you had this lady, she kind of came in and whispered about you. I don't know what she said. You couldn't really make it out, but she was just letting that person know I think that you were fake news. But I think that your approach is good because you've been to enough of these to where you know what approach to have. So if you come with the humor and the charm, I think that you disarmed them and they think, okay, I might not necessarily like what you're doing, but at least you're approaching me as a human being with respect. So I feel like you did it in a really respectful way. And that kind of shows through with this confrontation with this guy. Who I mean, clearly I think that this guy is, he's bored. I think that he, That's what I felt too, you know? I think he just, he wants to make friends. And that's why he showed up here. Like I said, these people are lonely. I'm being serious. I think so too. They are. No, I think you're absolutely spot on about that. I think that they're lonely. And they're like, honestly, part of this whole, these weird QAnon anti-vax clicks that are forming, I think part of it has to do with people just finding some social circle that believes in them. It's like, okay, this person believes in my cookie view. It's kind of what we get from DSA meetings or from our own leftist social groups. That's what I got from them. Absolutely. Right. Right. So I think that we're seeing that here. And so trying to understand their mentality, just asking them basic questions about why they're here, why they believe what they're doing. I think this guy, honestly, I don't think he even believes in anything. I think that his whole shtick is that he told a joke to one of his friends. They laughed and he thought, I'm going to put it on a sign. I'm going to like show up. And you can kind of see that here, but let's watch and see what happens when you kind of explain how maybe this sounds a little bit homophobic, just a tiny bit. So let's take a look at this. So you're wearing a mask and staying six feet from people, something because your government told you to.  I'm a straight person in the back of the keynote.  What would be wrong with that? Fuck, man. It's still a joke. I mean, hold on. Everybody has a choice. You got a choice. You got a choice for you. You got a choice.  Yes, I do. I do. Exactly. You don't do. So I'm just trying to get some clarification. You just kind of put it into perspective. I got you. Okay. So I have to be honest. You know, I believe in a better society over the individual. That's just me. But this sign is kind of funny. Regardless if I disagree with it. This was like a debatable sign. They told you to drink a gallon of gasoline or something like that. That way don't have to be like a homophobic thing. If they told you to drink a gallon of gasoline. See, that guy got it. That guy got it. Yeah, he got it. And you actually ended up having a pretty substantive conversation with that guy. It's way that like one of the biggest dressed weirdos, like the just aesthetically speaking, the weirdest person there. You ended up having a pretty solid conversation with. And I think you even told him that at one point. But these guys were all younger though. They were way more willing to understand and engage. And if you notice like the boomer to the left of me, you know, like I said, he looked like one of the typical trucker Americans with the glasses on. And like that's what I'm saying. Like these guys, they were willing to talk.  The malice wasn't there talking to this guy. Either of them. Yeah. You can tell which people were genuinely just distraught, which people were kind of just there because they wanted something to do and which people were really like they were angry and you can you can almost see them seething at the fact that you were there. And there's there's one moment that I wanted to show because we talk about like LARPing, Canadians LARPing as Americans. You saw a don't tread on me sign there and you ask this guy about it. And I have part of the conversation that I want to play here. Sure. Kitchener? Yeah. Kitchener with this flag? Well, what motivates you from Kitchener to have this flag? Now this guy's just don't try to buy our freedoms and money. We're just being we're just being railroaded by by the government. I understand often say no more. Man, were you trying to get my picture? Go ahead, I'm right here. No, no, I got you. I got you. I'm a tall handsome guy. You can get my smile. I'm good. Yes. So that was really interesting to me what he said there. He said that it's amazing how in Canada they roll over for the government more. He's talking about their implementation of vaccine mandates, their lockdown protocols. So can you kind of explain to me the sentiment that they expressed along those lines because it seems like they really look up to their American counterparts who are fighting the COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates.  Sorry to cut you off, but I got to tell you this. Feel free. They talk about you rolled over for the government. You know these individuals and this I did not get you this footage because I did it most at the 9-11 rally in Toronto. Nobody knew about the vaccine mandate of 1885 that took place and the riot that took place in Quebec. So this is what happened. There was a vaccine, you know, vaccine mandate, 1885 because of smallpox outbreaks, et cetera. And you remember I told you about the income inequality and things like that.  Like it was a for real quarantine, right? And what ended up happening was that there was a riot. The chief of police was stoned and stabbed. They broke police windows. And the reason why was because again, they had a mandate but were not addressing the inequity in income inequities that took place. But nonetheless, the mandate happened, Mike. It happened. It was, you know, they got, you know, smallpox was reduced and that was that.  Well, last time I looked in Quebec, they was beaten down police and destroying police stations. So who rolling over?  Now keep in mind, imagine a country with free healthcare.   I will escort you to the border. I'll say, you know me, I will take you to America. Mike, I told you, I had, you know, I had a couple surgeries, stayed in the hospital seven days, had no insurance. I'd only been here for a month with my wife, right? We had to pay X amount up front. Only for five months later, they said, okay, yeah. You know, I got an extension here and things like that. Here, take the money. I thought it was a bill. We thought it was a bill. I'm like, why, I will eat, what? You know, and the idea that, you know, we don't have freedom. We don't have like this and that. Don't tread on me.  This is a British LLC. I don't know if you ever see the footage when I'm like, I have a $20 bill. I'm like, the Queen is on this money. So explain to me where the freedom is going to come from. You know, they literally give money for the royal family, the oil, everything. People don't know. Canada is basically a British protectorate, you know? Karima, who I said is a lawyer who you've got to have on this show because she could give you so much. They literally wear robes and stuff like that to court. They literally, she's literally a lawyer of the crown. When it comes to police, it's like, yeah, protecting and serving the crown.  Do you remember when I told that guy that? I told him, you know?  We love slavery and racism so much and money so much. We fought over that. Okay? We fought over it. So I got to give the founding fathers credit for that. It's like, hey, at least y'all were about the action you were talking about as far as, you know, hey, can we hold this money from slavery, please? I can respect that. But don't come up here talking about freedom and this and that and the other when, you know, oh, we rolled over for the government force vaccinations. Okay, how about you start choosing your own health plan and how much it's going to cost? Then you can talk to me about, you know, freedom and that lack of things. Like they do so much for their people here. But America, I don't know if you know, Mike, the reason why we don't have universal health care is because the idea that, you know, after smallpox and things like that, the idea that black people would be in good health was not a good look politically in DC. So they said no to it. That's why how dedicated we are to our racism. And I read that in the New York Times, fake news, extraordinary. You know, I mean, it goes back to the New Deal where people of color were excluded from the New Deal as good as that was, not everyone benefited from it. So it is that like when you explain this, it is fascinating to think about how anyone in Canada would want what we have here. Because I mean, that's not to say that Canada is a utopia.  It needs to be more comprehensive. But it's still you get a bare minimum level of support that is just not given to us here in America. So to want that in any way, shape, or form is very strange. The last clip that I want to share from this is with the conversation that you had with the guy with all the spikes on, where he tries to explain that he's not anti-vax per se. He just isn't vaccinated and doesn't want the mandates. But overall, you kind of had a better take away from this guy because unlike everyone else, he can burst with you. Yeah. Yeah. So just being able to talk to someone, it really does make a huge difference, even if you don't agree. So let's let's take a look at that. Okay. I got mandates. You know, what if my mom's died?  You know, I'm not an anti-vaxer. And I'm a mandate man because I see the way things are going. I've been quiet this whole time and I don't like the way things are going. So you're anti-mandating, not anti-vax, correct? Yeah. You can take the vaccine, you know, by all means. I don't think you want to. Let me be honest with you. This is one of the most reasonable conversations I've had since I got here. I appreciate it. Okay. All right. All right. I'll let you have it right quick. Yeah. I don't want my hands in on you, buddy. Yeah. That was a bold move, Cole, with the spikes on his hands. Very risky.  But no, I mean, he talked to you. So that makes him kind of above a lot of the people, going back to the lady who was screaming at you with the bullhorn and the guy who was trying to intimidate you. So it does make a difference. But at the same time, it's still frustrating because, you know, he brought up this point, this circumstance where what if he has to bury his mom and he can't get on a plane because he's not vaccinated?  So it's like, I'm frustrated that that's the most reasonable person there. But at the same time, just having the willingness to talk, that does make me respect him, especially watching all of the footage. Like it was about 40, 45 minutes long. So watching all of it, seeing him, it's like, okay, normally I would be very angry with you because what you said was stupid. But you talked to Cole like a Cuban, so I respect it. So what's your takeaways overall? You went to this event. Give us the overall takeaway. How do you feel compared to, let's say, an American rally that you've attended? What I feel is that, I'll give you an example. Justin Trudeau, okay, seemingly a nice guy, this and that and the other. On one hand, you know, he plays the game politically. On the other hand, you know, let's say you had the residential schools, things like that, you know, First Nations being frustrated, and he's actively fighting them in court, not to give them money. Then he has a debate the other day with Jagmeet Singh and he's like, oh yeah, you know, Jagmeet's like, hey, you're taking residential school kids to go. Oh, no, I'm not. Now, think about this. Liberals, the party, liberal party here, don't make nobody happy with stuff like that.  Now, going back the other direction, you have Doug Ford, the conservative.  Same deal, just does enough to not be hated because he wants to be liked, you know? So you have the liberals and conservatives doing honestly not much, right? Then you have the NDP, some people mess with that. Do you see how you could go from supporting the NDP, which is the left party, instantly into supporting the PPC, which is an alt-right party? Do you see how instantly that happens? I mean, it's when you feel like the conservatives and liberals aren't doing anything, you're going to go to where you think you're going to be results. And you know what? Up here, it's not even just white people. You have, what you have is people in wellness, people of color in wellness and things like that, saying like, hey, do you remember what they did historically to our people in the vaccine?  And that's why, you know, you would see, like I said, not this rally, but no source of this rally, but the Toronto rally, yo, I was getting attacked by other black people there. You know, I was getting attacked, like my buddy Karima was getting attacked by other Asians there.   At the end of the day, the only thing I can always argue with folks of color is, or what white people is, I want you to name one instance where any government in North America harmed white people as a whole, not on some class type stuff, but like harmed white people as a whole, experimented on white people and they harmed white people as a whole, that's just not going to happen, you know. The whole reason why these vaccines are free in America and things like that is because capitalism requires labor, and if that labor is going to be killed off, they need someone to do that work, so they're only acting good faith to continue their bad faith, to continue the bad faith of capitalism. Even the good deeds are hidden behind bad faith reasoning, and so I sort of try to explain that because obviously I'm a freaking communist, but it doesn't matter what I call myself, all that matters is the actions and the results of those actions, and that's really all I care about. With that said, Mike, that's my takeaway is when you have premiers and politicians who aren't listening to the people, this is what you get even in Canada. Like I said, the pipeline from voting for the far left MDP to the far right PPC, it's the same as, well, I voted for Bernie, but I'm going for Trump now because you see why, and I'm not justifying it at all because I'm sorry, I'm a black man, you know, I speak Spanish, et cetera, like, you know, black, Latin, whatever, I never use the word Latin next, I don't even like using the word Latin, et cetera. I don't think anybody does. Point is, no, but the point in saying this is I see it, I'm seeing it, when you have, when you take away, you know, because I hate the way when they say working class it always means white folks, et cetera, but I think Canada, which is a majority white country with First Nations, right, with First Nations, you'll see First Nations folks who rock with the PPC for whatever, God knows whatever reason, you know, you'll see First Nations folks who say F to NDP because of, you know, there's a woman named Mumalak Makaka from the Northern Territories who felt mistreated by the NDP, who felt that Jagme allowed her to be bullied, et cetera, keep in mind, none of it, that Northern Territory, the average age is 26, Mike, 26 years old, okay?  Now, I'm not an expert in Canadian politics, obviously, but the trend is the same, you know, you've got to deliver, you've got to deliver. Justin Trudeau just cut off the CERB, which is the 2000 a month. My wife didn't work for damn near a year, but was able to get that 2000 a month, like, I can't believe they're getting two grand a month. Anyway, Mike, she didn't work for a year. It's inconceivable to me. Yeah, all she had to do was apply, that was it. She just applied, next day it was there, right? And it's like, they're canceling that. It's like, okay, why are you canceling that? People still need help. People are still, like I said, the vaccine mandates and the maneuvering around that, so you're going to cut it off? And how does that do anyone any favors? It's the same deal. I mean, Mike, we need all these things in reconciliation, this net, and Joe Biden is like allowing mansion and everyone else, you know, you think about mansion and cinema, there's always been a mansion in cinema. If it wasn't them two, it'd be Lieberman and these other clowns, right? So it's like, Biden has, I gotta be honest, after seeing what Trump did, Biden has the power to make it look ugly if you don't do what he says. And then they don't, then they don't. So you have two trends where you have voters not getting what they feel they want, so they're just going to say, screw it, I'm broke anyway, what difference does it make? So you get non-participation, multiplied by white grievance equals what you're seeing right now. That's the best way I could put it in perspective as an American looking at this. Yeah, and that's a great closer. What this footage showed to me is that, or confirmed rather, is that it doesn't matter where you are, what country you're in. Whenever there's a situation where the government isn't delivering adequately, where there's desperation, you're going to see that become a breeding ground for radicalization. You're going to see people be susceptible to conspiratorial thinking. And when you let that fester for too long, it gets worse and worse and worse and eventually it gets so big that it consumes the entire political system. I mean, for the first time in 90 years in America, once again, we're questioning how many people are turning against democracy because of 2020. And it goes beyond that, just lack of participation. So yeah, this is really fascinating and I'm really thankful for you for giving me this footage. But don't leave without though, because we have something that we need to talk about. Yeah, I was going to say, you're bringing a little bit of tea with you that you have for my viewers. Now, I'm going to preface anything you say by saying that I'm absolutely a simp for Hassan.  So without further ado, take it away, Cole.  You know, when I got in a debate with another debate bro and kind of threatened that individual, Hassan understood why I did that. That was actually the last time I spoke to him, because I DMed him about that. He's like, yeah, Michael says you're cool. And I'm like, yeah, Hassan's always been a good dude. And I also want to say, you know, Andre rocks with Hassan. He's been on a show, et cetera. Like, this isn't, this is all jokes. But is it though? Because according to Cenk Yuga, who spoke to my good friend, who I mentor the young up-and-coming Ravenna, shout out to Ravenna from TYT, says that Hassan played a basketball game with Dave Rubin. And that Dave Rubin crossed him up, i.e. he did a crossover and or took him to the rec so bad that Hassan's back injuries that he complains about are literally from Dave Rubin. I mean, you know, as the kids would say, sounds like Dave Rubin blew Hassan back out. Now, when asked, now, formally known as Andre Dubin's Brother Q, now when Hassan asked Q to come on and talk about, you know, when the riots were happening, you know, Hassan's always looked at Q to, you know, give him a good perspective, you know, things like that, right?  And the streets are saying that you got crossed up by Dave Rubin. Hassan replied, now you know the number one money-making political streamer in our ecosystem, don't just be replying. He replied with something like, oh, I didn't get, you know, but we did play. We did play now. Shout out to Marcus of Left Link Vets, Black Man. Me, Black Man Q, Black Man. When we see that, oh, so a game took place, but you're not saying what happened in the Black community, that's a, that's cause for response. Okay. Now I'm not saying Hassan doesn't care about Black issues. I mean, I literally covered a three-part series about how in Tennessee they're jailing those kids, they were jailing these kids for made-up crimes, et cetera. But right now this is a basketball issue. This supersedes that as a Black issue. Okay, Hassan. All right, like this is the number one issue in Black America as far as Twitch right now. Dave Rubin crossing anyone up. First of all, apparently Dave Rubin is six feet tall. Dave Rubin is six feet tall. I was like, okay, so he can ball. Apparently Dave Rubin can ball. We need a fact check on this. I, I refuse to believe anything about Dave Rubin. Now, this is according to his uncle, Cheng Yunger, this is corroborated by Ray Bono, but listen to me, Mike, I have contacted one of the upper echelon, the face of TYT. I will or not reveal who they are. And I texted. I said, hey, you know, Hassan, blah, blah, blah, this and that. Like, do you think you can come on? You know, they were like, even if it's just for 15 minutes, I am busy, but I will pull up. I will pull up. I was like, so I've been tweeting Hassan, Q tweeted Hassan, this and that, and he's not replying. Now it's okay to ask Black people to come on his show, this and that and the other to cover it. We good with that, right? That's cool. I told you, Hassan always been cool, right? But when Black people asked to come on Black shows to talk about, hey, did you get crossed up by Dave Rubin? Let me say something. If Dave Rubin crossed me up, I'm committing a flagrant foul on that court right then and there. I am not allowing high level ideas to do me dirty like that on the court. That's not going to happen. And I'm just thinking, shout out to my friend, Michael Brooks, RIP, shout out to my father, Sam Cedar. I got to be honest, Mike, if, you know, he's not going to respond.  Maybe you can have them ask, hey, can you guys ask Hassan, why won't you come on long off already? Our non-politics show that I have with Andre Domingues and Nia Kola. Shout out to Nia Kola, my economist at Queer Money, Queer Underscore Money. One of your first supporters, Mike, as I told you, with that said, y'all need to tweet Hassan and ask, when are you going to come and answer Andre Domingues and Nicole James Cash about black issues like you getting crossed up by Dave Rubin? All we want them to do is come on, you know? All we want them to do is come on and answer these questions. Mark is from that playing. Vets wants to know too.  Rayvana can cooperate. And one of the main members of TYT is willing to come on.  You know how Drake be doing this? You know, like your guest on songs. That's the Drake stimulus. This is a Hassan stimulus right here. Okay, I'm done.  Like this is this is incredible. The digging that you did to uncover the details. I mean, Mike, I literally I literally have teamed with Brooke Minkowski on this anti-mass stuff. Shout out to Brooke Minkowski, one of the best debunkers in the world in America. And I told her about this. She's like, what's this happened? You know, the real Mike, thank you being humanist report. Means to thank you for covering the real issue. This isn't about Hassan and all the money he make in the mansion. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because when you step on that court, Hassan, it's just you. Okay, it's just you.  That's all you got to do. Honestly, if if him going on your show stops him from getting roasted, I honestly would make the case that this is good for the left overall. Like, we have to bury this story. And if you're actually threatening to release this story, this could hurt the left. I mean, you know, I mean, we're not trying to expand on it, but we need him there. We need him to show up. If you could just ask your fans to ask him, you know, I'm just the innocent American immigrant with questions. Okay, folks. No, you know what, Cole, you don't get to play that. When you're trying to give Dave Rubin credibility, Dave Rubin, this is serious. Every day he ignores us. It gives Dave Rubin the credibility. You're right. You're right.  The thought of Dave Rubin, like, actually one-upping anyone on anything, it does honestly hurt me and sends me to a dark place. So I want it to be wrong, but I suspect that is true. But I would love for Hasan to go on your program. Thank you. And debunk this. I absolutely unequivocally endorse this because, Hasan, we have to bury this story. It can't, I mean, Cole's not bluffing. Cole's going to release the tapes. Is there tapes?  Shanky never lied. You know, Shanky never lied, you know? This is serious. This is a serious situation. And I'm, either way, either way, I hope that the best outcome is what happens. And that is to protect the left by never giving Dave Rubin a win. So Hasan was on their program. I didn't realize from the perspective that, yes, it is harming the left. The entire left. The entire left. Yes. You can't let these things linger, you know? Oh my God. You can't let these things linger. Mike, thank you so much, man. Everything we could have said, all the political stuff I could have covered. This was, this is the real issue. Thank you so much, Mike Graham. Why isn't anybody else talking about this? I feel like this is kind of a big thing that a lot of people, would you, would you, let me just ask, because you're basically, you're, you're, you're on the ground now.  Yes. Would this make me a journalist for covering this? Do I get to graduate from commentator to journalist for covering this? This is pollitzer level. This is pollitzer level revelations here. Because like I said, you have the face.  And then you have Ravenna from TYT.  Like, like, is Hassan afraid? Did he leave TYT because of what happened with Dave Rubin? We don't know. We can only ask him. How quickly the left wants to eat their own? I know. How quickly the left will eat their own. We're trying to, I said Marcus. We're part of the problem. Marcus, don't do it to him, please. Let's just wait. And Marcus like, okay. All right.  Only time will tell when you come on. We'll call. Thank you so much for coming on and giving me almost an hour of your time. Before you leave, please tell the people where they can find you, what you do, how they can support you. Okay. So you can also find me November 19th at Wonderville, Brooklyn. I will be headlining. That's out in Bushwick. I will be headlining for House of Feelings Records. I represent footwork slash juke slash ghetto house. I will be playing a set there. You can find me at at grifter 160. I also have a serious YouTube show, the Cole James Cash show. You can find me at youtube slash youtube.com slash ghetto news network. Shout out to Mean TV. They actually own that URL. They just nice enough not to take it from me yet. And then finally, my main, I am on Twitch with Andre Domis and my beautiful co-hosts and an economist, which I know Mike will be having on this program to discuss jobs and the trends of those. Because if she can explain it to me, Mike, she going below your mind. With that said, quit at queer money. The show's called log off already. You can catch us on Twitch 10 p.m. to 2 a.m. And then of course before that, our sister show Rayvana TTV, you know, like I said, that's our sister show right there. It's like from 8 p.m. to 2 a.m. We run that. We run 8 p.m. to 2 a.m. on Twitch.   Okay. Who's your favorite artist? Oh, did you know NSYNC outsold them? Did they run, did they run rap? No, they didn't. Okay. Stop looking at the numbers. Okay. All right. All right. That's, that's what I do. Like, oh, I'll put it like this. People will be like, oh, you don't have that many Twitter followers. How many followers did Jesus have? So long as I have more than 12, I am righteous. Okay. Stop looking at the numbers.  You know what? I think that that's indisputable. Jesus had 12 disciples. Yeah. Yeah. If you got more than 12, you good, Mike. Yeah. Yeah. We can do this. You know, that, that, that says you good. And like I said, thank you for having me.  Mike, you've already got your invite extended whenever you're ready next week. We got whatever you're free. If you don't want to talk politics, and you're ready to get into who was sleeping with who, who was DM and who over ID. Oh, God. Non-political figures. Okay.  I played a quip of Bober going off on Alec Baldwin because, hey, unsafe working conditions. I wanted to hear what Bober had to say. Yeah. Yeah. Before we leave, I have to ask to see your Rick and Morty shirt real quick. Oh, this is my wife's. Oh, it's your wife's shirt? Yeah. Okay.  So I'm stealing my wife's clothes. There you go. Probably stealing her panties too.  It's not exactly. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Yeah. You know, she's going to love that you love the shirt. I like, I like Rick and Morty. She likes it. We know it's problematic. But so is Michelle Fiore and Megan McCain. And I love them too. Thank you, Mike. Well, thank you so much, Cole.