President Bahari approves $8.5 million for evacuation of Nigerians from Ukraine. And the Senate approves financial autonomy for local governments in the country. This is Plus Politics. I'm Mary Anacron. President Mohammed Bahari has approved $8.5 million for the evacuation of Nigerians from Ukraine. About 5,000 Nigerian students have been affected by the ongoing war in Eastern European countries. The Nigerian government had expressed desires to evacuate its citizens in Ukraine. Well, joining us to discuss this is Public Affairs Analyst Sonny Ubi-Madukah and former Special Advisor to the River State Govna Upanabo, Inc. Tariah. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you, Mary Anacron. Great. Good evening, Nigeria. The biggest question on everybody's mind is why did it have to take so long for the Nigerian government to decide on evacuation of some Nigerians? I'm going to start with Ubi-Madukah. I mean, you've worked in government, so you'd try to help us understand why government had to drag its fit on this matter. Well, a lot of course. It doesn't come as a surprise because we have a government that is listless when it comes to the work of Nigerians, you know. I mean, I have this material, for example, to give to both of them my assumption. A government that claims half of the lives of Nigerians, even within the country. So, as countries like Ghana, back with them, I think the last question, even yesterday, and we are talking of back with Nigerians from Ukraine today, and the President is just approving it. I will tell you the vast list of human lives, especially in this country. We have a government that is all sensitive to the flight of Nigerians, and that is just the reason. Otherwise, one cannot part of why. Look at when Russia-Ukrainian War started. It's about a week now, and this is when the President is approving the money for the evacuation. And the Minister for Estonal Affairs hardly says that the evacuation was commenced today. Notwithstanding the danger that these Nigerian citizens and students are facing abroad, notwithstanding their flight. So, everything is just treated with levity, especially what it has to do with Nigerian lives by this very government. It doesn't come as a surprise to a lot of us. It doesn't come as a surprise to a lot of us. We don't act. We will act. And this is one government that is known for its bilateria. In every state, even look at the electoral act. In every state, you know, the President has said he cannot wait for 2023 to exit office. So he is actually hired physically, intellectually, mentally. The man is just hired. And that is affecting governments in the country. He said it. You know what the global says? That he just cannot wait for 2023. So, the man is hired mentally, physically, psychologically, everything. He is hired. And so, governance means nothing to him anymore. Interesting. Let me come to you, Dr. Madhika. It's interesting that Upanabur seems to be blaming the government's feet dragging on Mr. President. But then Mr. President is just one person. Yes, he is the commander-in-chief, but then we do have legislators. These are people who supposedly are representing the interests of the average Nigerian. And he took them this long to also come up with ideas on how to push Mr. President to get to give a nod for the evacuation in the first instance. So, can we solely place this blame at the feet of Mr. President only? Yeah, I think Tara had just said it. The entirety of whatever we are going through is right on the President's table. The President is our father. So, as the father of a nation, every of your citizens matters. And unfortunately, this is only the country that the President doesn't care. Because now he has jetted out to UK for two weeks, whatever you call it, medical checkup.  As a father, you're supposed to have empathy. This is a time that instead of you traveling, why don't you get these physicians back to this country? And I was looking at the President when he was going. There was nothing that showed that this father is going to lose some of his children abroad. You see, it's unfortunate. Look at it this way. We are proving 8.5 million right now. This money wouldn't have been up to this if we had been proactive. But just like Tara said, we're always reacting to issues. This war didn't start today. There was notice. Many countries were doing something. America evacuated. A lot of countries evacuated. What happened to a country called Nigeria? In fact, it was even appalling that the Minister of the Islamic State said that it is not the government's priority or responsibility to evacuate. That to me is insensitive. At the time your children are trapped and you are bringing in issues that shouldn't, what is the average value? What is the value of an average Nigerian to this government? So if you look at it, I'm still wondering, I'm still waiting because let me tell you. Believe it, this government is like saying, like I said before, it's like saying that tomorrow we are going to the moon. You know, this government has always come on line three. They said about the problem with no one is happening today. I think we're having connection issues there with you, Dr. Madoka. We'll try again to see if we can connect with you. But back to you, Apunabot, there are claims that there are some Nigerians who didn't want to go anywhere. They didn't want to come back to Nigeria. And there are still people who still do not want to be evacuated to Nigeria. Some are saying, look, you know what? Send us to Russia. In fact, we hear that about 150 of them are looking to be evacuated into Russia instead of coming back to Nigeria. So could it also be that people would rather go to Poland or neighboring countries other than Nigeria, maybe because of reasons personally, I mean best known to them? And again, why would people not want to come home to Nigeria? Because most of these people are students. It has to do with the truth. It has to do with the best known to them. It has to do with the best known to Nigeria from the world. What could be those reasons? There is defundancy. There is diffidence in the system. You know, a lot of people have lost, not just because they don't like Nigeria. It's because it's the reality. There is so much hunger. The country has to speak right now is rather less. Now you can imagine other countries have been evacuated. They've made something effort to evacuate the citizens. What does that mean to Nigeria? The ambassador in Ukraine told them that they must have to defend themselves.  It was after the criticism that they had to reject that criticism. So in such a country where there is no hope, if you come back to this, a lot of them don't have hope. If we expand this system, they won't have traveled abroad to Ukraine. What they're going to do in Ukraine? Not even in America, not even in Britain. Not even in Canada, but in Ukraine. Most of them have left this country out of constraint. So what are they coming back here to do? They have to be in terms of leadership style, leadership parameters. It is better than Nigeria. If they are not segregated again, I tell you they'll have a better life in Russia. Because here, what I come back to, no life. Most of them can't even pay their fees. They can't even see it. It's frustrating living in this country. Very frustrating living in this country. Are you saying that Nigerians would rather die in a war-torn country or a country that is about to face war than come home to a peaceful country where there's no war? Relatively peaceful. Relatively peaceful. Russia is not war-torn. I was making reference to Ukraine, not necessarily Russia. Ukraine is war-torn, but not Russia. Ukraine is war-torn, but not Russia. And because there are so many places in Russia, I don't think Russia has this method. If you think of Russia, they are just trying to defend their country. I don't think they are being brave in Russia. I don't think so. So they are outing. They are also outing for polarity. They are outing for Hungary, for Romania, and so on. Yes, they are also leaving Ukraine. But the truth is, those who are even resistant, those who say they want to wait and observe what's going on, I say so because they don't get lost confidence in Nigeria. Most of them don't want to come back. And it is simple, like I said, poverty level, apart from the poverty level, there's condensate. You know, when there is hope, there's life. So a lot of them know what they come back here to do. And if they leave, they could survive it. They don't want to come back to Nigeria, and most of them, because if they come back, they will not be able to go back. So they don't want to find themselves in that situation. So let us remain here. Because we strongly believe that again, one might not test that, especially with the intervention of foreign countries, the one might not. So let us remain here. Rather than go back to our childhood, by going back to Nigeria, I will refuse anything to this country anymore, or any other country. You don't know how a lot of them will left the country. You know, difficult ways. So they want to remain there. They don't want to come back here. Okay. Let me go back to Dr. Madukah. I hope that we have Dr. Madukah back. Let's cast our minds back to some of the things that have happened over the years in terms of Nigerians in other countries. We've seen cases of Nigerians being killed in other countries. I mean, we had the issues of xenophobia in South Africa. We saw that young lady that was killed in a prison in, I can't remember the country now. We've seen several cases. We've seen a Nigerian official, a director in our public service, who died in a hotel room in South Africa. And till today, we're yet to uncover how that woman died in that hotel room, even though the pointers showed that she was killed, not like she went to sleep and then she didn't wake up. We've seen several cases where Nigerians could have been saved, but half the time, we always show up last minute or as an afterthought. And many people are also saying that this situation in Ukraine was an afterthought. I mean, yesterday, if I'm not mistaken, former member of the National Assembly, Ben Moriburz, had said, we have so many millionaires in this country and billionaires, why can't they send aircrafts to those countries to evacuate these Nigerians? I mean, and I'm guessing that these Nigerians would want to go to any other country, they're choosing. I mean, Ukraine is bordered by a lot of these countries. But I want to ask, how did we get to a point, because both of you seem to be in agreement that this particular government is not necessarily placing value on Nigerian lives, but can we say that, can we say any different about other governments that we've had, I mean, as opposed to this government of President Mohammed al-Buhari, or are we just giving a dog a bad name? Well, if you start from 1970s, you discover that Nigeria is, that was when we... Dr. Kamadika. Okay. I think that we're having issues with your connection. Giant Obama. I think we're having... Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Okay, I can hear you now. Can you hear me now? Okay. It's not working. Apologies, we have to go back to open up, open up. I think I heard you trying to come in there, but go ahead. Oh, so sorry. Can you hear me? Okay, let me change my... Let me change my... All right. Open up. Just go ahead. Maria, what was the question? If we are just trying to identify this government or it's a Nigerian system. Yes. It's a Nigerian pattern. Is that what you're trying to say? Yes. Well, when... I will not say Nigeria, the Nigerian government has always been so effective in the discharge of its duties, but if you have to make a comparison, I think this is the worst. And in the opening statement, or in the opening statement of the Second World War, when you said, why do we have to blame the president when you have the National Assembly? The president is the one that will give to go ahead. The National Assembly cannot. It is always in the back of the National Assembly. If there's two cities up of the president to order, because what it has to do with the release of funds for the couple. But what it has to do with humanitarian... If it's based on humanitarian grounds, there was this epic that is in the past, in South Africa. That is also... I've also been engaged to do... to carry out the same function that is on humanitarian grounds. And you talked of Ben Bruce saying, we have billionaires. What about Ben Bruce? What role did he play? Is he a billionaire? Do you categorize him as a billionaire? Is he a billionaire? That is it. That is it. No, no, no. Whether he is a billionaire or not, the question is, what role did he play other than criticizing the billionaires? Exactly. Can you not talk to a billionaire to play a role? What role did he play? How does he not contribute? Because these players are going to buy fuel. So what was his contribution?   They are not just... I don't know what else he did in South Africa. They have to be commanded. So it is not just to sit down and castigate a billionaire. What is the best thing from becoming a billionaire? Okay. What role did he play? Okay. What role did he play? What is his contribution? Can you hear me now? I think the doctor is back. Let's listen to what the doctor has to say. Go ahead. Yes. I started in 1970 and 1980s. Nigeria benefited from what you called the giant of Africa. You mentioned South Africa. You mentioned other countries. Recently, last year, or two years ago, Ghana demolished our embassy. Ghana hoarded our people, our children, I don't think that that happened in Ghana. It happened in one of the Francophone countries where we were... It's in Ghana. It's in Ghana. Well, I think in the DRC, one of those Francophone countries, our embassy was also sacked. Yes. But go ahead. It's in Ghana. It happened in Ghana, too. So what I'm saying is that the leadership today has messed up Nigeria. We want nothing again before the Committee of Nations. And that is why the Nigerians are being treated the way they are treated, even in that place. You can't treat a country that... I didn't hear South Africa complaining. If you watch, most of the complain are Nigeria, Kemerun, and probably Niger, Republic, or whatever. Your country is dependent, or the value of your country is dependent on the leadership. Today, as Jostara said, no Nigeria is worth dying to this country because there's nothing that you can say, this is what government is doing. They did the pyramid rise in Abuja. Where are the rise in human homes, in houses? So these are the issues. We have government that doesn't care much about the value of an average Nigerian. And that is why these young boys are living. They're not living because they love it. As I can tell you, as of the 1970s and 80s, most Germans, most Eukaryans, most Americans, they were coming to Nigeria to study. And we have the best of academics. What happened? Because we have leaders who are selfish, self-centered, greedy. And unfortunately, Africa is just there as a continent, not adding value to the world, economy or whatever. To be Africa is a liability because they've not found their potential in their safe work. If you're already complete, it's still believing Africans. So until we come to the position whereby we can sit down and say, African, what do you do? And how do we do that? Maybe that's what I can tell you. Let me just give you some few things I just thought about that African can do. Africa can come up with a common currency. That is what they can start with. They can come up with a common economic block. We have 1.3 billion Africans. And we have a big market that we can use to even... But we have the AU, and I mean, we have the ECOWAS. How productive have those blocks been, whether they be economic or not?  I'm talking about the ECOWAS, which is for West Africa, and the AU, which is, you know, for all the African countries. Before we even consider a national, unifying currency, how unified are we as Africans? I was just seeing... I've seen a lot of messages on social media about how black people, black Africans, are treated in countries like Mozambique, in Mauritius, in Tanzania, when they arrive, as opposed to people who have a different color of skin. So really, I don't know how getting a joint currency or forming another block other than what we have is going to solve our problems. I'm wondering. Let me, let me come. You see, what is happening today is the Europeans, you know, trying to see how they can cover up themselves. Africa, we have AU. AU was there when America invaded Libya. What did they do? Today, the only time you know of ECOWAS is when there's a coup, nothing else. So that is where I'm saying that we must have another thing, our think tank, that will give us an idea of what really Africa represents. Africa to me today is just there. AU, nothing. Do you know as to what has happened to our children? AU is supposed to come out and talk off, and talk off against racism. That is now the opium of what we are seeing in this Russia-Ukrainian war. It is racist. We have seen it. But what are AU doing? They are keeping mute. They don't know that these children are African children. This is a time for them to come out and defend these African children. But where are they? So these are the problems. We need to go back to drawing board and know why do we have ECOWAS, why do we have AU? Is it just because we are a continent? No. There must be economic viability of every economic bloc. There must be. And that is where I said we need to realize what actually Africa is. Because today Africa is nowhere. And that is where our children are being treated as barriers, as slaves, as nothing. Okay. Open up. In the community, where by every persons are looking and seeing. I'm sorry. Again, I think we're having little issues with your connection, Dr. But let me come back to Ponaba because we do not have too much time. Dr. has already said the pace on the issue of racism. We saw videos. This morning I saw a video of a Nigerian woman if I'm not mistaken. On the BBC, recanting her experience at one of the borders, I think in Poland where they said to her no black people.  So only Ukrainians were allowed to go on the buses. They were allowed to gain entry. You would see people with white skin climbing over the fence and nobody would stop them. But if a black person was pushing forward they would push back. And when we keep talking about these issues of racism, I go back to what I said to him. Africans are being also profiled by Africans. In the African continent or on the African continent.  I mean I've also had stories of people saying that even our Nigerian embassy was asking us to show our COVID results to be able to get any attention whatsoever. So how do we even defeat the problems that is us as Africa? How do we deal with ourselves before we can even turn to the man on another continent? I can hear you. We are consumed in the various smoke with bell store. It's all about perception. The question is how is your own president of fellow Africans treating you? How do you see your own president of fellow Africans? How do you expect the world to respect you? Unfortunately most Nigerians of this country let me not say most. Let's say about 50% get involved in illegal activity. Can't even work with a genderized eye. Because you are crime in every society and so they want to reduce it because they want to work really. But your own ambassador is asking for your COVID status. He said that if crocodiles could eat their own eggs what can you not do to them? How and when will Africa be able to stand tall among the committee of states across the world? How? When? The more we talk about these things the more we have these kinds of conversations. It seems to me as that point where the world is and we are still trying to play catch up how soon can we get to that point with the situation of things on the ground right now? It will be a fleeting illusion if we don't get a leadership paradigm right. Nigeria was once respected worldwide representing to the minister to what have you. Most of these Nigerians living in the country is as a result of economic acts from see acts of blessed memory. Who wants to school abroad? Who wants to school there? That is the problem where I have to do first and foremost with leadership. Once you get leadership right you're going to get there. I'm not a leader. Sorry. We have just a minute. Quickly doctor. Let me just add to what he said we need to have a long-term strategic planning process in Nigeria or Africa. There's none. As of today we have all this one year budgeting system. It doesn't work anymore. China has 50 years. America has 20 years. If we keep on paying our budget with a percentage it doesn't work. Apologies. What are you looking for? I just said leadership. If you don't get the leadership we will all keep on going around the same corner. Our leadership is too I don't even know what you call leadership because they are not leaders. Let me now add the most important one your security architecture. That's one of the things that will give you power worldwide. What do you have? We don't even have any to manufacture common guns. We have been arrested instead of encouraging them. So this is the issue. What can you do? What can you do? If you are there I will deal with you. Did you see how all of us stayed like chickens? We have to go. I want to thank you gentlemen we are out of time. We want to say thank you for being part of the conversation. We want to say thank you we have to go now. Thank you. Thank you very much. We will take a short break. Stay with us.


Hi everybody, Joe for Jasper's CaseBreaks.com. Happy Monday coming at you with another wax party giveaway break. This time, two boxes of 2020, 2021, Panin Select Basketball, FOTL, first off the line. A lot of exclusive stuff in here that I guess the Ultra Rare, first Zebra exclusive, but that's his hobby. I don't know what the, oh, I guess the Autograph 30 or less, or first off the line parallel of 15 or less. Those are the exclusives that we're looking for. An all-card ship. Big thanks to this group for getting in. Appreciate it. All 30 teams are in. Let's roll it. Let's randomize names and teams. 10 the hard way, five out of five. And they'll be different dice roll for the wax party giveaway. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and 10th and final time. After 10, we've got Brenton down to Jimmy. Five out of five. 10 the hard way. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and good luck. 10th and final time. After 10, we've got OKC down to Charlotte. All right. So Brenton with the OKC Thunder, Sean Maddock with the Wizards. Dave with the Magic. Brandon with the Blazers. Eric with the Pelicans. Tim with the Kings. Danny with my Lakers. Dave with the Gris. Joe with the Celtics. Dave with the Heat. Brian with the Cavs. Adrian with the Hawks. Russell with the Spurs. Dave with the Pacers. Josh with the Knicks. Logan with your Jazz. There you go, Logan, with the spot that you won. Brian with the Warriors. Joseph with the Rockets. Peter with the Clippers. Scott with the Nets. Jose with the Suns. Evan with the Timberwolves. Robert with the Raptors. Brian with the Bulls. Dean with the Milwaukee. Corey with Dallas. Steve Burch with Detroit. Brenton with Denver. Brian Gray with the Philadelphia 76ers. And Jimmy, Charlotte with the Hornets. Nice. We're going to pause the video just for a moment after I sort by column B. And we're going to pause the video when we come back. We're going to see if there's any trades. Then we'll have the breaks. Tick around. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back, everybody. A lot of trade chatter, but in the end no deals were done here on Monday the 17th. First off the line, two box. There's two right there. Random team break number one. Make some bots, Danny. Don't worry about it. We'll take care of it. We'll clean them up. All right. Here it is. Got the first off the line sticker right there with the first off the line exclusive autographs and parallel. Let me refresh my memory on that. What was it again? The autographs are 30. The first offline autos are 30 and less. And there's a parallel of 15 or less in each box along with any of the other stuff. Oh, nice, Oliver. Back from SoFi. So it took you, what, three hours to get out of the parking lot? You just got home? Didn't the game end like three hours ago? Apparently it's a nightmare getting out of there. Oh, a buddy had car problems. That might have been a blessing, Oliver. It might have been a blessing. You should be able to beat a lot of that traffic. Yeah, that's something they got to, that's something that SoFi has got to figure out. All right, first box. Good luck. There's precious Achua. Three out of five. Wow. For the heat. Dave Rob won that spot, got randomized the Miami Heat. That's pretty sharp. Dave, all aboard the Big Hit Express. Yeah, Rams did look pretty strong. I was on the Rams tonight, happy about that. Anthony Davis should be back soonish, I hope. Lakers could use him. We got Carl Anthony Towns, 174 out of 299. That'll be for the T-Wolves. That'll be for Evan. All car chip, of course. There are a lot of different levels in each of these cards. You got Daniel Arturo, Concourse Silver for the Clip Show, Clippers. There's Cole Anthony. And Aaron Naismith, 11 out of 15. There's your autograph right there. That is for Joe Vent and the Boston Celtics. Is that tried to trade, couldn't trade Mojo? Yeah, the Celtics up for trade. Tried to trade, couldn't trade Mojo. 11 out of 15. That's Cole Anthony for Orlando. That's for Dave Rob. He's been playing well. We've got Sadiq Bay. That's Scope Parallel. Not numbered, but it's Premier level. We've got a tie-dye die cut. PJ Washington. Nice to 25. Charlotte, Jimmy. PJ Washington, pretty good ball player. 5 out of 25. Silver Deer and Fox. And Zach Levine, 146 out of 149 in-flight autograph. I think he's banged up a little bit, but him and the Bulls playing great hoops. Brian Frank with the Bulls. And we've got Anthony Edwards for Evan and the T Wolves. Premier level. And a Cole Anthony Silver. He's having a good season too. Dave with the Magic. Concourse level. Silver. Nicola Jokic, 63 out of 75. Lime Green. That is for Denver. That's going to be for Brenton. And we've got a Miles Turner rally. Not numbered, but that'll be for the Pacers. Dave Rob. You know, if you've never tried to trade, couldn't trade Mojo. Kobe White and Patrick Williams. All right. Nice start. Next box. We'll find some Lamellos on this side, which would be pretty nice. We've got to find more of the select first off the line, which has been pretty awesome. Of course, many other first off the line. It does not say three autos on the box. Five cards per pack. 12 packs per box. Find three autographs or memorabilia cards. So we've got two memorabilias and one auto. That's how they generally do it. So you got the, oh, the two autos and then the rally. We're hoping, hopefully we'll find the right Hornet and this Colin Sexton, Terence Davis. And we've got a Doug Christie in-flight autograph for the Kings. Tim with Sacramento. I'm sure Oliver has some good Doug Christie stories. Oliver, do you have any good Doug Christie stories? And another autograph back to back. Zeke Najee. Rookie Otto for Denver. That's going to be for Brenton. Rookie James Weisman here for the Warriors. Brian Gray. Nick Richard. Silver. There's a Lamello. And that might be the shorter printed version of Lamello. Now that's the court side edition. Let's see if we can find some more. D'Angelo Russell, 154 out of 299. And Andre Drummond. This is Lakers edition of Andre Drummond. That'll go to, go to Danny. D'Angelo Russell, 154 out of 299.  Miles Turner to 175 for Dave and the Pacers. Kovdanovich. We've got a Silver Naismith. And what do we have here behind Brandon Clark? A Carmelo Anthony. 8 out of 15. Courtside. First off the line exclusive. We're out of 15. 8 out of 15 for Portland. Brandon Johns with the Trail Blazers. This Tyrese Maxi for the Sixers. That's going to be for Brian Gray. We got a Kemba. 129 out of 149. White parallel. And we've got a 12 out of 30. Trey Jones for the Spurs. Nice. Two color patch and autograph for San Antonio. That's going to go to Russell. And the Spurs. Pretty big card stock here too. Maybe in a 180 top loader. Nice. There you go, gang. Denia Vija on the back. Rudy Gobert. That's the break. Appreciate everybody getting to this two box. First off the line select break. But wait, there's more. This is a wax party break. When you randomize your names top two or in the party, chance to win some nice wax. You're guaranteed to win some boxes. It's just a matter of what box is going to be.  You're going to guarantee something. All right. Big thanks to this group once again for getting it on the action. Let's roll it. Randomize that list of names. Top two after 10. Four to six, 10 times. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and 10th and final time after 10. Deep breath. Good luck. Big thanks to everybody right here. But Brian Gray, you're in that close but no cigar spot. That's a pretty terrible spot there. But hey, thank you for getting in. Thanks to everybody. Remember, there's a lot of, I think we've got like, I think we're halfway through, pretty close to halfway through. About 30 more breaks to go. So a lot more opportunities to try again if you'd like. 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Not for a single moment. Television is about content and content is about stories and people have been telling stories for about 500,000 years. So it's not going to go away. Of course, there will be new ways, additional ways of delivering the content to the viewer, but the basic idea of a television program is going to be with us in perpetuity. I'm sure of it. I think the future of television is essentially about cooperative technologies, using the tools of IT and higher quality to provide a better experience. It's still telling a story, it's still the same thing as we have, except of course there's a greater degree of involvement by the viewer in result, particularly in things like interactivity. First of all, you have the systems that allow you to experience the television or the radio signal better. They are to do with image quality and sound quality. You have that on one side and on the other side, all the things that information technology is bringing. And this is things like the personalization and so on, use of the cloud, use of voice activation. The voice activation will become more sophisticated, perhaps with the human avatars on the screen. So I think personally that the real future of television can be summed up as giving television more of a human face. 5G may well become very popular with the public because it's high data rate, low cost. And if it does, then broadcasts will need to be brought to 5G receivers. So what we need now technically is a system 5G broadcast that will allow broadcasts to be received on new 5G receivers. There's a way to go yet, but the idea is there. In addition to that, of course, we have all of the systems of combining broadcasting and broadband, the hybrid broadcast broadband systems, and all of these are going to interact and work together. The higher the sound and the vision quality, the more involved you feel in the program. The more you remember about it, and eventually given things are the same, the longer you will watch the program for. So there is a major benefit in having higher image and sound quality. That's on one side and that's a benefit for the viewer and listener. On the other side, in terms of information technologies, you've got all the benefits of personalization. There is an epithet now which is the technology is content and content is technology. The thesis is that these two are becoming indispensably interconnected. That in order to be successful in television and future, you will have to both master the creativity of program making and the use of technology. For example, a lot of content now comes to us via internet and if it does, the content provider can know exactly who's watching what all the time. So he has a lot of data, this is big data sometimes called, and they can use this to shape the program, shape the future of the program.


Hello people of the internet, my name is Johnny and welcome to a very different type of video today. So not only is this a reaction video, it's also over an hour long and let me explain why. So today I reacted to the fan games at Freddy's Two Summer Showcase event. Which if you don't know what that is, it's basically like a Nintendo Direct but for a bunch of FNAF fan games. There's a whole bunch of games in there. I think it was like up to 30 games. You got Ultra Custom Night, Chompers, and of course the big surprise at the end, Jolly's Freakin' Four. And so I watched it live with you guys over on my Twitch channel. If you're not following the Twitch, I highly recommend doing so. I also recommend hitting the subscribe button and the like button because I'm coming back boys. I still have so many videos to do. I still got to talk about FNAF Plus. I still got to talk about all the FNAF news. And also it's my channel's four year anniversary today. So thank you guys so much for being here for four freaking years. That's absolutely insane. So hopefully you guys enjoyed my reaction. Again, it's an hour long.  Welcome to the fan games at Freddy's Summer Showcase. Before the event starts, we just want to remind you that donate is in the description below. Wait, is this a fundraiser? Wait, is this a charity thing? Sit back and enjoy a few scares. Relax and enjoy. People on YouTube, make sure you donate, link down below. Ports and service. Might be a bit quiet. I'll boost up the volume a little bit. What's that saying? Entry something. Uh, looks like some Fredbear model. Ah, his head is ripped off like with a bunny in the deep darkness. I see Freddy. Oh, is this a... I should have examined the games. I recognize that Freddy though. Something dangerous awakens. Golden memory answer. Hi, friend. Bit twitchy there. Ended a searching for you. I really hate when they're like behind the window door. It's creepy. The system. Hi guys. Hold sure, if you're watching this, is there any copyrighted music? Hi. Oh wait, I played this game, didn't I? Oh, I played the first game. It was fun. The music is a bomb. Go to the game area. Oh, dude, it's three-year-old. Mini game is cute. Don't miss this opportunity. Yo, what's, how's it going, man? Golden memory two. That looks hype. Creepy, I hear rain. Hey, buddy. Ash. I'm gonna call you that. What's up, Ash? How we doing, Ash? Ooh, VHS tape. These haven't died yet. Wonderland Entertainment. Gen 2 model showcase. Herald waters. Model 1A, thin. If it's a shark. Oh, hello, buddy. What big ears you have. Randall. Hey, buddy. Pali. Woman. Oh, hi, you're not creepy.  Product demonstration. Hi, friend. Nice backdrop you got there. Some spooky tweez. What's gonna happen? Hey, you don't look so good. Hey, you might be missing your face. Your entire head, actually. Me with... Oh, don't do this. Why are they missing their body parts? Okay, that shot is creepy. I'll give you that. That shot was creepy. Hi, friend. You're looking somewhere? Oh, hey. What game is this? A window.   Okay. That's enough of that, then. I'm getting Fnac2 vibes. Feet. Oh, hi, friend. Your endo teeth are so not appealing. You don't have to have that many. Oh, it was Wonderland. That makes sense. I should have put the two and two together. That was creepy, dude. That endo skeleton's terrifying. Hello, hello. Uh, see, I could be a phone guy. I wanted to record a message for you. Hey, Will. It's Henry. It's been a while since the last how to talk with you. What was it? 2016? Man, time flies. I think it was... It was right after Dad died, right? With Dad? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds about right. FNCF Dad? I'm sorry for how I treated you back there. It wasn't right.  I know this is years overdue for me to say this, but yeah. Anyway, with the recent events with Fat Bear Entertainment, I just wanted to check in on you, make sure you're doing safe. Because, I mean, legal battles are everywhere.  Who left the pizza out on the... Oh, hi, Chica. Oh, hi, Chica. Restaurants being under safe. And mirrors waving around every corner.  It's not good for the company's image. I'm doing my best to hold the fort down. I know you're managing the... What was the last of the past pizzeria in Seattle? No, Olivia. Olivia. Did you say Olivia or not? Olivia. I'm planning on possibly coming up there in about two weeks. The country? See what you're doing. Maybe we can grab a beer like old times. Hell yeah, brother, let's get some beer. I just wanted to check in on you. See what you're doing.  Bitter man. Ad time. Not no ads right now. 2022, next year. Okay. Quite interesting. Hey, guys. Lovely seeing you guys again for an F2 establishment. What's behind door number one? I don't like that it opened. It actually opened. Golden Freddy. Whoa, hello. Yo. I can stare at you all day. How about it, models? Maybe. It's definitely the FNAF 2 place of the Foxy Plushie. Just arrived. Five more nights. Yo, wait, like five minutes at Freddy's? Is this FNAF? It is. That's main goo. It's totally FNAF. We're your friends. Well, I don't know about that. Parasocial relationships. I'm not the biggest fan of. I did see Wither Bonnie and a fixed mango. Hi, but that is creepy. I'll show you why. You got Twitch Prime that you can show me? Five minutes at Freddy's? A golden past. Interesting. So it's like FNAF 2. Hey, Wither Freddy. How are we doing, Bonnie? Out after the stream? Well, shoot. I guess we know what we're doing for Fan Game Friday. On Wither's, perhaps? I don't know. It looked like they were with it. Looks insane. Excuse me, T-Jock VODs. What is this? Hey, Blue Foxy. The man killed by something. Follow the project. Wait, what was the project? TBE. Man killed by robots. Interesting. Who's my game? Oh, Blue Eyes. Interesting. Did look cool. I love the free roam. Oh my gosh, what is everything of clocks? Goddamn ticking is going to try being insane. Cookies. Hi, Chica. You look friendly. Why do I want the chicas have gigantic mouths? Yeah, total march. Hello? Who are you? Hi, Freddy. You're going to jump scare me. I know you are. I'm ready. Five nights at Freddy's. Ponds of the night. Like pond stars. I love that show. These games are all looking really cool. Hey, guys. Ghost games, the team presents. A five nights at Freddy's fame game. That area looks very shiny. Oh, hello. Welcome. Help wanted. I was insured safety. Hey, buddy, why are you torching so much? It's unsafe. When is it ever safe? Hi. I love the idea of them just standing there and twitching slightly. Hi. Cover the darkness of this place before the darkness consumes me. We need you on the table. Coming soon. Yeah, the designs were really good. Yeah, I love the idea of them just standing there and slightly twitching a little bit. It's creepy. CX games. Parkour. Hey, you. Me. Are you after a good time out? You're just bored and have nothing better to do?  Well, come on down to Fawzi's Fazbear. Because we've got it all. Games, food, rides, the work. What the hell's that? And there ain't quite anything just like Fawzi Fazbear and his friends. Hey, man. Benny the bunny and Chelsea the chicken in person as they perform a wonderful show just for you. And who knows? Maybe you'll see some other fun faces pop up as well. It's fun for the whole family. And don't just take our word for it. I thought the games were pretty cool. The view from the Ferris wheel is amazing. A Ferris wheel on a pizzeria? So what are you waiting for?  You're located right here in New Harmony. Just call 1-888-FazFazbear to book. I'll be seeing you very soon. Disclaimer, Fazbear Entertainment is not responsible to damage the property or person and cannot guarantee gas safety. I feel like that should be a, you know, guaranteed. Hello, hello. How many phone guys are going to be in this goddamn event? We'll be seeing you Monday. Don't be waiting.  Oh, that was the attack of the robots. If we don't get to ride a Ferris wheel. I love the designs. They were creepy. Oh, it's not over. Hello. What are you doing, friend? Why does the scene cool? Because it is cool.  One thing you see here is not finalized. What an author presents. My bedroom. Based off the Fazbear Fred's concept. I love me some Fazbear Fred fan games. Haven't gotten many good ones. Different stories. Different stories for each story. Which story? I'm just kind of seeing a house. It's a cool house. Who's that? It is a hand. Ooh, is that Foxy? I love this mechanic. I would say that a night vision camera. Tales from the pizzeria. Break it. Out now. Oh, shoot. Oh, that's the game page. Now my dance with me. No, that wasn't Ballora. I love the idea of having to use that camera though. To only be able to see with the night vision. I love that. A lot of VHS. What are you doing on the ground, dude?   I'm back here again. I have to find out what happened. I need to remember. He's got amnesia. Well, well, well. If it isn't Vince himself. What are you doing here, V? I could ask you the same thing, Vince. It's been a long time since I've last seen you. And do you know what it means when I see you face to face? It means you're trying to remember. I can't let you do that, Vince. There's a reason you forgot and I'm sticking with that reason. Oh my God, he has a gun. Get out of my way now. See, I never did quite understand you, Vince. First, it's you chugging down a bottle of beer a day to forget it's behind my mic. I can't read. No, you don't get it, V? I don't want to remember. I never did. Violence. How do they call land? Oh, this is the GK. You buy the fan games at Freddy's. A night with GK and Tomasai. Ooh, I see that circular cursor. Ten o'clock. Hi, I don't like that. Mona Lisa, copyrighted material.  Hi, friend. 2022? I'm not a fan of the guns, though. Violence? I'll be honest, not my thing. Are you a fan of scary games? This is Ultra Custom Night. Frickin' totem panic? Yeah, this is Ultra Custom Night. It has to be. It just has to be. If you're a fan of scary games, I can recognize it immediately. Good God. You know, I haven't played this game since it had, like, 500 characters. I don't know how many it has right now, but good God. It has Undertale. All of these here. Frickin' Burys or H2. That's just... Vent system. Who are you? Who are you? Cain God is wish. Golden Freddy. Doofus again. What is happening? I never know what's happening. I can see the Pop-Go's trading codes. Good God. No shock. And modding support? What? How do you mod it? Game's just gonna keep going on and on and on. It's never gonna end. Who's that? Who's that? CoinCord presents a contract. That race! I already love it. The rules of the game are simple. So here's the deal. Four locking contestants have been chosen to put into their own separate court. Showbiz? Yeah, that's why I love it. They're disposal. Things have provided control panel. Pretty simple, right? Keep the robot maniacs away.  I'm a sucker for showbiz pizza. All right, contestants. Rock-a-fire explosion. Doesn't sound like I'm having a fun time in the rat race. Hey, buddy. Oh my God. It's giving me a seizure, but I love it. I'm sealing you dummies. He's an angry piggy. I love that. Those designs, dude. Those designs. Those designs. Hey, your lights out, mate. Hey. How many animatronics does it take to change a light bulb? Is this the same trailer? I see you off to the right. Ooh, who's this? Hey, is that somebody? That's totally somebody. Yes, it was. Springtrap? Oh, this is creepy. Hey, buddy. Officer Hopps from Zootopia? I love the animation. Wait. I love your eyes. That was a really cool eye design. Meet the black bunny. Hello. I'm Johnny blocks. Meet the mod. Hello. I'm Johnny blocks. Things are subject to change. The original location. Week one coming soon. You got Junior Ned, Willy, honey. I love these eye designs. They look so cool. Disclaimer, the trailer is for a fan game, and it's not made for profit. Oh, this is the flappy flamingo game. You can't fit through there. No, you can't fit through. You can't. Dude, you are too thick. Your cake is too large. You can't fit through. Did you learn?   It looked awesome.  My favorite team! Oh, it's Teletubbies. I don't like the Teletubbies. At least there was a poster of them. They're creepy Teletubbies. Is it Teletubbies? Yes, it must be. Who's lurking in the shadows? I can smell you. Apparently nobody was lurking in the shadows. Okay, good talk. I Poe. I think Poe's the red one. Welcome to Puppy Land. Let's go. You got Tinky Wimpy. You got Dixie. You got Lala. You got Poe. Oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. Greetings valued customers. We at Fazbear Entertainment value a fun and exciting experience above all else. Okay. That being said even Freddy and his friends make mistakes. No. We know you are all excited for this special show and we are sorry that we couldn't deliver. Now we understand that you may have some questions. Such as, why can't we have the show? What is taking so long? And what are you hiding in that back room? Fazbear Entertainment is not legally obligated to answer that last question. But we do have some answers. As it turns out, Freddy, did you know that you can't look up while sticking out your tongue? Along with being flexible with our employees. Fazbear Entertainment is 100% healthy and non-legal work environment after all. Wait, is this actually living doing something? Maybe wondering why we're giving this message in the first place. We can show you that Fazbear Entertainment is not taking the route. Ultra, if I get a copyright strike because of you, I'm suing you. That performance is still coming. And when it does, you will be happier than ever after the wait. Goddammit. So stay prepared and be ready to smile. I can't mute it. Because he's talking. For now, enjoy this random selection of images from within the upcoming restaurant. Ooh, promo images. Hey, Freddy. You look creepy. Nice suit. Nice top hat. Watch out for the web floor.  I can see some drawings. You can see a little plant here. Plants from foliage. Some monitors. A cup. Back of their head. Interesting. Got some wires. Why have they spent so long on images that have like nothing? And when it comes to things that have things in it, it goes by in 0.2 seconds. What's that Morse code? See what I mean? That sounded a bit like Morse. High voltage. Don't go near there. Yeah, I called it. I'm so big brain. Hello, Chica. I see your cupcake down there with your buck teeth. I do like this Chica though. Very stylized. I love it. I can't really hear what that said. Ooh, how was that? Lefty? Looks a bit like Lefty. Mixed with the Ringmaster Foxy. That looks cool. Foxy. Ooh, that is... Oh, Fast Bear Tycoon. Oh, cool. We promised better trailer at some point in the future.  Okay, and by Jake... Oh, here we go! Jake on this you, buddy. This you! Creepy Endo. Oh, go. To the Fun Lions. Ooh, Foxy looks like Tycoon though.  You look kind of creepy. Excuse me, did you drop a bomb on me? There's no choice. Nothing else works. Monk. Hi, you know, you don't have to be a humanoid animatronic. That's just creepy. Yo, wait guys, that's the voice line. Hi, I see you. I have an Aero horn? Get out of here. Interesting camera layout. Just like a Chuck E. Cheese Dining Room. Ooh, I don't like that they walk around like that. And, uh, yeah, it's a simple as that. I'll see you tomorrow. Have a good night. See you tomorrow. I'll try. Very difficult, seeing as these guys are... Correct me if I'm wrong here, boys. Might try and kill me. They just might. That was supposed to say Black Screen, my favorite. Oh boy. I wouldn't go near there. Just saying. Ooh, it's a 3D mascot. How long? Nobody's going to want to sit outside right now. They're going in through the back door? All right, here we go. Yeah, graphics are insane right now. Yeah, atmosphere. Are you a dude?  Oh, it might be a cut out. Oh, dude, I don't like this. I don't like just walking around in silence. What do I pick up? A bop? Ooh. Sus. What's the radio being? Ooh, I see them. Out to the left. Okay, you don't have to get that detailed. It's a little girl you're talking about, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.  Why would he say this? The radio, that's horrible. Hi, Foxy. Ooh, Fredbear Plushie. Who was that, a 3D plushie? I picked it up. That ain't no Freddy Fazbear. I didn't like that. Okay. Shadows Awaken. That was creepy. Also, Chica looking fine as hell. Page out now. Here we go. Ooh, here it is. Banana Splits. Is it a custom night? Only custom night? Hi, you are not what I was expecting to see in a game of that style. Ah, yes, green. I like green. Giggle at me? Oh, was that the girl that took the spare parts of the animatronics? It's okay. 821. FNAF 2 trailer remake. Interesting. Lego FNAF! Oh, let me guess. I made a bad career choice. Thank you for that one Minecraft villager. Oh, wait.  The song is copyrighted. I hope that there's no voice lines because the song is copyrighted. I'll just do the music myself. Unfortunately, the first couple of FNAF trailers all have copyrighted music. But I love this. I wish it wasn't a remake of the game. I wish it was more of what the Lego games are like. But I'll take it. It looks funny as hell. Yeah, you better put on that mask, dude. Oh, Jump Scare? That looks so funny. Oh, I love that. Is this a Nintendo thing? Yes! Yes! I love this. Oh, I love this. This is funny. I love when people do something like this. I love this so much. I love the dilly-dallying. He looks like the Vector. Oh, I love this. Thank you. You guys are amazing. Oh, that was amazing. I want to do something like that one time. A Johnny Block's Direct. Is this Thomas? No! That's your Topham hat! Yes! This is big boy stuff right now. Oh yeah, this is big boy time. It's a long graphic warning. Almost as long as their five minute break. Developed by i5. Is this live action? No? Dude, that looks insane. Is this liquid physics? Oh, we got a big day ahead of you? What you got? You got a mighty fine establishment. This is the graphic warning. Do not smoke kids. Yes, interesting. You don't look so good. You might want to get that checked out by a doctor. What's that say? I can't read what that says. That was FNAF, bro! It looked like the new Saw movie. Okay! Here we go. Orville and Mr. Hippo, they're having so much fun. Can't he get it too? The toy robot. Let's have a look. What attraction are we going to now? Cute artwork. Good shot of boobage. They know what we want. Dreadbear, my man. It's insane. I loved that. I'll be honest. I found when Mark and all those guys played it, I found something kind of confusing. But holy crap, I'm so excited for that. We have two minutes left. I think it would be cool to end it with power out. Hear that music? Who's that? Who's that snack over there? Eh? Chica. Hi, Chica. God, you look terrifying. On that arcade machine? It's Ham Boys. Not quite sure what I was looking at there. Is that a foxy head? Can't tell. Oh no, that's the cupcake. It's the cupcake. Did you see him? The cupcake. A Freddy Fallon? Eh? Oh, that's the prize area? Okay. I see you. I see you walking. I am walking here. I thought I turned those off. But thank you. What the heck? No, no, no, no. You did not do that to the cupcake. You did not do that to the cupcake. You did not do that to the cupcake. They did that to the cupcake. This is VR. This is a brand new FNAF VR game. A fan game, of course, but I am so down for any VR fan game. Was that a cigar in my hand? Oh, you're creepy. Go away, please.  I use my powers. Get over here. What is that? Why am I throwing plushies everywhere? Hi, you're terrified. Hope one and two to the truth. I will say I hope that this effect is for the trailer and isn't in the game.  Ooh, I don't like them walking in front of me. This is creepy. Sub-Zero Remastered. Okay. Demo out now? Well, sure, boys. I guess I know what game we'll play. Yeah, the only thing I don't like is that weird static. Like, you know? Like, I could barely see. So I hope that that was for the trailer. We still have more? How? Oh, chompers, that's right. Hello?  The song was not over. I do like that it has a spoon and a fork. That's funny. When it turns into a fanatic game. I'm excited to see this. Yup, there it is. You're still terrifying? Hey, chomper. How are we doing, mate? A lady. Get away from my door. I need to go in there, dude. I must go in there. That's where I go in. Chompers. That's amazing. That looks so good. That animation was awesome. I saw like a little sneak peek of that trailer and, dude, it looks so good. I know it's been difficult. This line of work certainly isn't the easiest or the prettiest. But we have a new lead on the Juniors investigation. Juniors? We just need to know if mentally you're up for the challenge. Dude, that looks insane. Coming out should be able to get the test. Why are you all so creepy? That is insane. We've been chasing this investigation non-stop. I know, but trust me, this is it. Chica's haunted. We need to go back. He'll get like fingers crawling on his face. 20, 21. Jolly! It's Jolly. Dude. It's time, boys. It's fricking time, boys. Here it is. Is this the fourth one? Wait. Hey, Springtrap. The freak you doing in here, dude? We have a city to burn. I think something hit the ceiling. I might want to leave. Jolly 4, baby.  Coming soon. Oh my god. Jolly 4. Interesting. That's it. That was awesome. Thanks.


Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Stepping Up, I'm your host, Daniel Dubois. This week, we continue to feature young people, here and abroad who continue to defy the odds, walk to their own rhythm and win. Gillian Avril is a well-known creative, carnival mass maker and designer who also has interest in innovative technology. Recently he won the Entrepreneurship World Cup competition with his augmented reality app called Engage. I got the chance to meet him and get to know a little bit more about him and his work. So let's take a look at the first interview. I'm going to allow him to introduce himself officially and let us know about his app, Engage. Hi, my name is Gillian Avril, like Daniel said, founder of Engage, a tech-based business which focuses on emerging and innovative technologies, basically to enhance an advanced person's day-to-day life. So it's all started basically with myself, our heart condition, and I used to collapse a lot. But I found a way that if I collapsed that the EMTs of persons would have an idea as to who I am, who I was, and I came up with this idea of creating something called a meditag. And that has been on the, down to the low key for some time now. I introduced the concept of it in 2018, I took part in the inaugural Get in the Ring, I did not win that year. Last year I came back in Get in the Ring and then I came up with a new idea. So it is an augmented reality app. So the idea of it was basically to take any static image and overlay video or anything that you want on it. So let's say you have a corporate brand, like your logo of your T-shirt, and you now want to have a social campaign against it, someone would download the app and then they could look at your T-shirt or any brand that you have and video can play from that. And that idea, one of the judges, and I won, I went off to Berlin, represent St. Lucia, and even there now, persons are blown away by the idea of it and the possibilities of it. I met a couple investors, they said, you know, they love the idea, but let's really get back a little bit. Let us not broaden it to everybody and every single thing that there is under the sun, let us focus on particular industries. So it was, let's look at either tourism, let's look at education, let's look at travel and tourism, so it's fine to do it. So I decided, you know, what is the best thing back in St. Lucia this morning time and education was a critical thing. I felt that, you know, the first was now to go digital in education. So I started speaking at the Ministry of Education to see how best now we can look to see, to start augmenting some of the school books, to supplement the living at schools. And they love the idea of it and we started working on it. But then COVID came in and that just basically stopped everything. But maybe in me, I would not let COVID stop me. So right away, I kept into an overdrive and started thinking of ulterior businesses. And because of the COVID situation where persons were limited to travel and I was like, hey, how can now, persons coming to St. Lucia and display the COVID information without having all these papers and all these documents. And I said, my meditax. So I decided to incorporate what persons would need to travel into my meditax. And then I presented that at two business competitions. I did not win one. And the other one was the Intervention World Cup. And I actually went in from, I think, 100 something local participants to 30. And then to the top 10, then to become the winner. And then I went into represent St. Lucia internationally. Well, I couldn't travel because of COVID situation. Everything was done virtually. And because of that, I got into the top out of 160 applicants. I went on to top 200. And then I became a global finalist, top 100. And then I became the top 10 in my category at IDF. So this is what it has been. That's awesome. I'm interested to understand how easy was it for you to access the technology when I have people talk about an app. I'm guessing it's programming and software engineering and stuff like that. So talk about how easy was it for you to build your platform and the actual app. Well, let's go for last year. Last year, I had basically zero ideas. I have a computer background. I have a background in computer maintenance and system engineering, as well as electrical installation. I knew nothing about programming. I'm more of the hardware side of things. But then I was like, you know what? Let me think about it in this competition. I'm going to bridge this idea. I have no clue whatsoever how I'm going to create the app. But I said, you know what? Let me just burn the bridge behind me, force myself to learn how to do this. And then I spent nights, day in, day out with my girlfriend at my side with the name programming. And I actually came up with the whole concept of how to do the augmented reality app. The other one, which is the meditation component. Now, this one is beyond me. So I actually have two persons out of the US. My sister-in-law and a close friend who are actually programmers. Everyone is programming. They deal with cyber security and data protection, which is because of this, the nature of this business is pushes medical information. Data protection is one of the critical things that we have to look at. So this was beyond my scope. So I brought them in. So this aspect, they're going to be handling it. And a team of software developers for this. So I'm just basically with this one guiding what is required. Because the standards for the US and the standards for signature completely different. So I'm going to try to balance it off where there's a sort of middle line between the two. Because we also have to consider that persons are leaving from the US, the UK, where the protocols of data protection are different from ours. But at the same time, they come to Senusia. But you still have to protect persons that who's to say that Hacker can't come from the US, come to Senusia because we have lower protocols and steal that information and go back and sell it. So we have to think of that line, all of these things.  So it was out of my hands. I said, you know what, I don't want to take this on. We need to have standards like the US. So let the US developers handle this. And that was the best thing. In terms of access financially, was it a cheap feat or was it something that you? So since you say everybody within the family have the skills, was it easier for you to be able to pursue better standards and access? Well, the phase that we are currently, we can, we have at the prototype level. So this came at no cost for now. But we are actually making presentations to the Ministry of Health. We've done two presentations to the Ministry of Health and we're looking at the third one because this project to actually implement if we have to do this on this island-wide scale is very costly. And this is what we're hoping to have discussions with. Hopefully, if I'm the prime source, the cabinet would be happy to see how best for financing for this project because this is no luck, especially the COVID situation we have right now. For contact tracing, we need to put a proper system in place. It's not just just an easy app to implement. You now have to consider COVID right now and what may come after COVID. And you need to have, make sure that all holds, all gaps are filled because you don't want to have a system in place. You spend, let's say, $300,000 on a system and you could only cover 40% of persons. A person, let's say spend a million dollars and you could cover all bases. So this is the balancing act right now.  Because you know that every one person who has COVID, they can transmit it to so many more persons in a short span of time. So to cover all bases, you'd have to spend money to get this.  And it definitely seems like this technology can be blended into the effort, the effort, sorry, of the Ministry of Health and the other persons that the stakeholders are directly responsible for that. Do you think that before COVID, that your idea would have probably been different or? Initially it was because, funny enough, the week before COVID actually hit, I had a meeting with the Ministry of Health with one person, Mr. Kalex at the Ministry for the implementation of many tags for as a case of emergency. So like I indicated, if I collapse, the EMT would come in and they'd need to know who I was. Now, we have high-prone and some diabetes on the island, high-potential to have you. So it is not just for me personally, but for everybody, because they narrowed out the health management system and it's really for the healthcare facilities, which is the hospitals, the health centers. But what happens before that, before you actually get to the health facility, how does an EMT know who you are or the medication you're on? Who's your doctor? Who to contact? What you're allergic to? They don't have that information. To me, before they used to have, I remember my dad used to have, no, not even that, little in, I think on the ID card or they have little cards that they carry in their wallet to say what blood type they are. I can't remember what it was. You don't see these things again. Health card, yes. So the idea is basically to digitize all of this and make it quick and more accessible because the amount of information you can have on the card and what you can put on my device is something completely different. Or even the medical research that I have is just one or two lines of engraving. But once you tap it, it puts up information. You can actually click a button. It'll send a text message or a call to the health care facility to let them know who you are, who's coming in. So it's modernizing, digitizing the whole process of everything. Well, I can tell you for sure, you're preaching at the right time because I know Ministry of Health for almost all the past three years been doing a lot of innovation and revamping their systems from the community level so you could go into the community. Because the idea is they want more people to go within the community to access health care. So anywhere you go, you just type in your name and your whole history is there from doctors and even your personal information too. So I think it's a question time. So you said type in. So even that too, trying to limit the whole process. That's time consuming to type. You basically tap it and it will pull up the person's information right there. Tap it on your phone. It's, well, the app can be on the phone but we have also readers and devices that can be put at the various places. So that you could just pick up. Yes. So even at the aspect of the contact tracing, the idea is to basically issue a card like this, hopefully to every solution, opposed to an app because we also have to consider the elderly. Persons in different walks of life, the industries that they in, they may not have a smartphone, a high-end smartphone. Do you now say that you're gonna put an app into place and then now that only certain persons in the population who have access to it, what's about the other persons? So that's what I'm talking about, the gaps. But having something like this where everybody can have a card and then wherever business play that you enter, especially the neighbour situation, you enter me, neighbour student, St. Peter. They would know who you are when you enter. So when you speak of the foresight, so even you have a business place where you might have a presence of persons theft. Now that person's are checking in before you enter the business place, do you really think that you want to steal in a business place when you just give them at the entry point, your name, your contact information, where you live, all of that? So all of these things that we're considering and it's not just. Yeah, but not everywhere. So just so I go to a store, I want to. I guess in the fact of the whole COVID situation. Tristan, right now, this is what? The same way you have to sanitize your hands right now, we're hoping that this might be something that becomes a standard process that, because you need to contact Tristan. You have no idea who's in a business place at the same time you are. And Dr. Belmar talked yesterday that there's one case where we might be talking and somebody might be talking elsewhere, but we completely have no idea but both of us end up with COVID at the same time. We're in the same vicinity. So you might be checking for myself and yourself, but what's about the persons around you? How do you know who's in the business place or the subject as yourself? So this is what we're hoping to do. A post to pen and paper where you can, yes, you have pen and paper, but who's to say that what happens to that pen and paper at the end of the day? Yeah. Well, boy. All your information is down in the book. What is that book at the end of the day? Yeah, we have a lot of little things we could change. Exactly. So that's where my thing comes in, where it's- Because even to enter the ministry now, you still have to write your name and stuff. And you can see who's there before you. You could see the person's name, the contact number, where they live all of these things. That's not safe. In this day and age, see me take a picture, I know all your information. A post to my card where it's encrypted what I have you, all of that, all that fear that you would have. It's gone. So I want to move away a little bit from, you know, the whole technology and, you know, I have to pay attention to try and understand it. But I know your story, Gillan. I know that he's an entrepreneur that has tried several projects. And, you know, there's no shame in that because any millionaire or billionaire talk about, they've probably had 10 or 20 ideas and all you need is one of them to go through. And I'm happy to say that it feels as though like you're on the cusp of something good. And you continue, especially I'm getting international acclaim for your work. My question to you now is to share it first in terms of your personal work. Let's talk about Gillan. Let's talk about you and your decision to be, to choose this life. Because a lot of people don't understand being an entrepreneur is a life walk that you choose. And so speak to that.  I see a lot of my friends I went to school with, they had jobs, we had basic same education, they have jobs. And I'm like, that could be you. You know, you don't have to be the way you are right now. You know, the simplest nest would have you. But at the same time, the freely excitement, the passion that I have for this, I can't see myself in an office job like everybody else start to see. It's been tough. Like you rightly said, there have been several projects along the way. But timing is a critical thing. One of the issues that I've had with this journey is, I've become with an idea. Brilliant idea. Excellent. But the climate in century is not right for it.  Then five years down the road, the very idea that you had, that you've basically shelved, is now the hottest thing on the market right now. So that is one of the things that I had to deal with throughout, you know. It's been hard. Been a little bit ahead of your time. That's the problem that I've always had. Personally, it's said to me that, hey, your thinking is not for sandwiches. Consider living sandwiches. They tend to have been at very low points and have been like, why the hell am I in sandwiches?  Why am I still doing this? So do you think that the getting the ring and the entrepreneurship world cup was really that thing that gave you a different edge? I wouldn't say it's just that. It's been the entire process, the entire journey. Because one of the things for me is, I've basically, like I said in someone yesterday, I've worked with every single one of these agencies that deals with entrepreneurship and trying to push young persons forward. I've worked with basically all of them. A lot of the programs, I've been a part of it. And that now has brought me recognition around in some circles in the entrepreneurship and business sector here. Supposed to know me, they know what I bring to the table. They don't expect of me. If they have training for mentorship for young persons, they'd call me. One of the first ones they'd call is me.  And again, in my thinking process, I can meet entrepreneurs, different walks of life and be some of their businesses and probably link them and help them guide them as to how to bring their business forward. So is the gift on the goods? It is, it's a gift on the goods. I love every minute of it. I mean, there are times where like I said, you just want to give up, but I don't believe in giving up. Every, I wouldn't say my businesses have failed. They've been stepping stones, learning processes. You know, we say fail, but you know, it's something you go through the thing, you try and it just didn't work out. But then you learn so much from going through the process, what to do differently and stuff like that. And I think being an entrepreneur and especially thinking about in terms of technology and innovation, we do support the entrepreneur, but when it comes to technology for some reason, like I know some of the people who have apps and stuff, the thrust is not really there and the support network for that specific field is probably not there. So I'm happy that you were able to really flesh it out and have an app that's actually working. I think one of the things is it's not understood. Technology is not understood down there. And the person's quicker gravity towards a brick-and-mortar business opposed to online. So I think COVID has just changed that mentality. Now, persons now understand the power of a cell phone and what it can do for you and how it can operate because persons who never wanted to use WhatsApp and that kind of thing before, that's how they were transacting. All meetings now, persons who used to travel, zoom. So that kind of thing. So it now, persons are seeing the importance of technology and what it can do so. And stepping up. Yep. So now to step up to the plate right now and say, hey, let's make use of what we have right now. And so persons like myself and other entrepreneurs, because one of the things that you rightly said, there's not a group. And I spent months trying to go through Instagram, Facebook trying to find what local entrepreneurs that they are, what can we do? And I found one or two. I actually wanted to groups starting right now that is directly focused towards technology. I think Chai Tech is one of them that they actually focus on persons in the app world and software development and that is what they're about. So slowly but surely it's been recognized. Other countries like Barbados and Trinidad and it's been for years, they've been pushing it. But here now, again, we're always slow to thing where it's been catch up. Now, with COVID has now made everyone see that there's a need for stuff like this. And embracing the technology.  Just let's say you should know a little, what is it that you wanted to know about you, your journey and how to reach out to you should anybody see this program and feel that they can line with you in terms of their objectives and probably spin off and do something new? Well, I'm open to meeting with everybody and anybody. I mean, for the past few weeks when the pictures posted that I won, I've had persons messaging me nonstop and I've been welcoming that. I mean, persons wanting to know about the business, what it's about, where I've been, where I plan to go. Is it just for St. Lucia? I've gotten contacts with persons with, again with the competition, persons asking me, hey, can we implement this in other countries? I'm just a teenager around the world, what have you. But for me, priority center right now, I mean, I can't go and establish elsewhere until I know that my home is secure. So I'm welcoming all persons who want to work with me to actually build this program. Because one of the things that, if this, or when this rolls out, I should say, if when this rolls out, it's going to be an island-wide thing. We need persons from all Knicks and Cranies to actually get this going because paramount is our health and safety. So this is what our focus right now for Engage is getting a COVID-19 response up and going. For both persons with medical conditions and persons without medical conditions that wherever we go on the island, you have an idea as to who you are, where you're from, and how to contact you. And for persons who keep safe. That's the most critical thing for me right now. Well, Gilan, all the best. Thank you very much for reaching out and being a part of the show. And all the best and continue to step up. Next. Coronavirus? I am worried Gaza is only old people dying from that. Hold up. Being young does not mean being safe. Yes, it's true that the elderly are at higher risk, but anyone can get the virus. The effect is even worse if you have a chronic condition like hypertension, heart disease, lung disease, and diabetes or weakness in your immune system. If you are living with these conditions, be extra careful. Wash your hands with soap and water. Use hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol when hand washing is not possible. Avoid touching your face. Take steps to boost your immunity through proper nutrition, exercise, rest, and take your medication as prescribed. Limit being around people who have flu symptoms, even close family members. Our health is in our hands. Together through simple actions, we can stop the spread of coronavirus. This message was brought to you by the Bureau of Health Education of the Ministry of Health and Wellness. Welcome back. Stepping Up has really gotten to feature some outstanding St. Lucians who have the most interesting stories and backgrounds. What we can take away from these stories is the fact that they never give up and continue to work until they realize their dreams. I hope that features like these touches you and inspires you to do the same. So thank you very much, Gilland, and continue Stepping Up. Now it's time for Linkup. Carol Victor is a young St. Lucian living and working in Taiwan for the past seven years. When he was successful at attaining a scholarship to study economics, his love for the arts and performance was never left behind. As a matter of fact, he's now a very well-known performing artist in Taiwan, performing in Mandarin and English. Let's take in the interview to get to know more about this very young outstanding St. Lucian living in Taiwan today. Hello, Carol, and I wish I could have greeted you in Chinese, but... Well, I can teach you. It's very simple. Ni hao. Ni hao? Like that? How are you, Carol? I'm doing great. I'm doing fantastic. It's been an interesting year. It's been a tough year. But with perseverance and with the right vision, everything is really coming into fall. So I'm great. I'm fantastic. It's pretty late right now because the time is over and the time difference. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But I just want to say to be here and to be able to share part of my journey and my experience and to link up with you, Daniel, again, it's been a while. I know. I know. I miss you a lot. It was hard seeing you go. How long have you been in Taiwan now? Wow, I've been in Taiwan for seven years. Seven years, seven years. And that's what we had to talk about. So let's talk about the journey to Taiwan. My first question for you. Let us know a little bit about you before you left for Taiwan. Before I left for Taiwan, I just left South Africa and I had worked for one year at NTN GIS. I worked in broadcasting, which is where you are right now. So it's really nice. I've worked with some of my former colleagues. That time I was also on the music scene and performed at the Jazz Festival, the side stage. I had also won the U-Fest that we had at that time and I had just started a band we had called ASAP. Just musical prodigies, the likes of Dwight Florence, Isman Lovens and a few others. So it was just really starting the musical journey and I had just been propped out and taken out from Senusia to start in Taiwan.  And I mean, in the pursuit of education, I felt at that time I had left my dreams of music and performing arts behind to pursue my degree. But luckily, I think Taiwan was an opportunity for something even bigger and even better in terms of the opportunities in performing arts and music and so forth. So that was my journey before coming to Taiwan. What did you study when you went to Taiwan? Yeah, so I studied economics. I did a bachelor's in economics. The degree is a long program for four years and also study one year of Chinese because as you know, Senusia in Taiwan has diplomatic relations. So in my year, I bought, it's about like 18 students who got scholarships, medical as well as other areas of scholarships in Taiwan. So I was a beneficiary of that. And really a great blessing because Taiwan has been a great ally to Senusia. As you've seen, even during the COVID crisis, we benefited from a lot of masks and PPPs and all this other stuff. So, you know, we've been good friends in the East. Yes, it's nice. And I'm sure you feel that by now because of how long the diplomatic relations have been on, there's a small Senusian community, I am sure in Taiwan, that can keep you very busy. Yeah, definitely.  In fact, just last weekend, today's the day we had a Shunekwio River Lime. Yes, yeah. Because there's actually a bigger community in the south of Taiwan, a lot of students there. So we had a Shunekwio Lime, I think they were cooking, you know, for beyond one pot kind of stuff. I didn't have a chance to go because I was busy, but definitely there is a Senusian community here and it's great. And the longer we stay here, I think the more permanent and the more we make our presence felt in Taiwan. So it's great. Just like the Senusian communities you have in Canada and the UK and the US, we have a great Senusian community here in Taiwan. Nice. I followed your journey very closely, Carol, because you know, you always used to show us the little things that you were doing. And you know, in terms of the whole music landscape, I remember you used to do little gigs and you know, you started very small. I guess you had your own band. Let us know what was your first opportunity and how really, what really started your work in the performing arts as a well-known singer over there? In Taiwan, right? In Taiwan, yeah. Yes, it was very interesting because as you know, I came in as a student and you know, in every country they have strict laws regarding you know, your visas and what you can and cannot do. So when I got offered the chance to perform in Taiwan, I was very skeptical and very wary. Next lady, Potty. You know, but I did go through the legal channels and I got an agency and then I started performing at weddings, at different wedding gigs. But even before that, I think I took part in a few school activities, like maybe a singing competition at school or some other singing guitar club or some other club. Because I think the passion for music followed me everywhere I went and I had to express that. So, but professionally, it was working with that company and selling doing gigs, doing events and doing like for big companies like BMW and Mars and all these big corporate events. That was really the beginning, the start of that. And it would give me a chance, I think that time I was like, oh, actually maybe I can continue my musical journey because for me, I thought I'd left the music behind to pursue my degree in economics. So I think that was the start of that epiphany. Like I can do this moment. Nice. I know that you want a very big competition over there, national competition actually. So let's talk a little bit about that. So yes, this competition is before was huge. I took part, I think out of maybe, because just like the big shows like in the UK and the US, like The Voice and America's Got Talent, et cetera, it's one of the biggest singing competitions in Asia. And I took part and I mean, when I started a competition, I was like, just to get a little publicity feel, but I never thought I'd make it all the way to the finals of the competition. It was a six month journey, six months of filming and performing and so forth. And out of 3,000 people and then down to the finals, I came six out of the final seven. And it was a life changing experience because when I came to Taiwan seven, seven years ago, there was not a lot of, I think, visibility for people of color in Taiwan.  And fast forward to seven years later, when you're in the trains and the MRT and you have a poster, you're facing a poster, you're facing a billboard and people are stopping you in the streets and asking for pictures and then you have fans all over the place. Autographs. Oh my God, it's so real. It was really, it was really crazy. It was really life changing. And that was, I think, a game changer for everything in terms of the focus on the music, in terms of recognizing the opportunity that you have, your skills and your talent to do that. Because I mean, volume and size matters. So, Senlusha is a lot of talent. It's amazing people, amazing producers, but we are small market. So, anywhere else you find yourself in the world, whether this is the UK or the US or Taiwan or China, a bigger market means more, more income, more followers, more celebrity, more et cetera. So, I think it's really an opportunity to grow and to expand that. And I'm pretty fortunate for that. So Carol, you know fast forward, you won the show, you've been, I've seen you done a lot of collaborations with some major artists over there. Let us know what you do now. What's your daily routine like? You know, are you working? Are you still at school? What's the update? All right, so it's been two years since I graduated and back then I decided to just focus fully on the music. Because economics, all these things, this really was my, just music was really my passion. So, on my daily routine right now, I'm working on my album that's coming out in January next year, January 3rd, just around the New Year's. I'm also working for a lot of other artists I'm producing for other artists of some foreigners as well as some Taiwanese, because especially there is, there's a market for an English speaker because Taiwanese ones actually reached a international market. I'm also, I teach singing lessons as well. And songwriter, I'm working for company, I also write for other artists. And I also teach English as well. So it's full all around the clock, busy, busy schedule. There's my days, but luckily for me, my days are most times afternoon to evening. So, luckily I'm not a morning person. I was never a morning person. And then when the day goes, you can go and go and go. Some people are like that for sure. Yeah, so that's what I've been up to in the past. For the past few months. Also a lot of TV shows, TV performances, and then working with different companies doing different events. But in Taiwan, we've really, really been lucky in Taiwan because we never actually had a lockdown. We never actually had to stop working, stay at home. So we were able to continue to go to work, continue to perform. And obviously there was a slowdown because people lost their jobs, there's not much income. And companies are not hosting parties and events. But very, very fortunate to still be performing and still be singing and bringing smiles to people's faces. Because especially in a time where it will look like, I mean, when you think back to April, May, June, like the world was like, wow, it's like the world was like. Yeah, you don't know what to expect next or what's next, you know? Definitely, definitely. So it's good now to be back on stage and to be performing and to be just singing and doing what I love. In terms of the cultural, the cultural aspect, that I think has been something I do with pride because even when I was a student, I was president of the Students Association and we hosted many different activities. We had a masquerade performance. We had cultural performances. Were you Mary Ascent? Well, we didn't get the Mary Ascent. We had the Lashabless. What were you, Carol, or you just organized it? I was directing, I was just directing. Okay. And then we had introducing our local dishes and local food to the Taiwanese audience. And as of, was it two years ago, myself and Brinee said if you remember Brinee Springer, she's actually a secretary working in the embassy in Taiwan. And we had a chance to perform at an international arts festival where there were at least, I think eight countries from around the world performing at that festival and were able to present and represent Sinusha. So that was a really, that was a really good opportunity as it was a chance to show what Sinusha is and we're using our Creole. We had, well, because it's... I didn't imagine, you'll probably do how much things. I just didn't imagine. Well, Carol, I want to say thank you for your ambassadorship. You know, from the outside looking in, I still feel like because of, you know, how small we are, we still kind of probably fathom the amount of success that you've been able to attain as a young Sinusha and working over there. And you know, getting to win that national, what you call that singing competition. So my next question for you is, what's next, what's the next step? What's next for Carol Victor on the long stream of things? The long stream of things. Well, I think the next big thing was really trying to take this on the international level. I think the advantage of actually speaking and singing in English and Chinese gives me a big audience. So I want to reach the Chinese audience. I think I probably moved to China, maybe in the few years to come because that's where there's a bigger market there. So trying to reach Chinese audiences all over. My plan for the next two years would be a Carol concert in Hong Kong, in Singapore, in Shanghai. You know, that's really the goal in the next three years. That's what I want to do. So for now it's making the music, the music that sticks to people like and finding a way to hit both markets, both English. Because for me, I cannot neglect the English part because English comes to me naturally. And then Creole less and less because I haven't been able to sing. Sorry, I'm a little over there. But we're still here. And so that's the plan. That's the plan in the next two, three years to have retorring the world. That's really international, international, international. That's what we want to do. Finally take Sen Lusha on the international stage because I mean, especially in Taiwan, like people still don't know what Sen Lusha is or where Sen Lusha is.  It's every time when I'm introducing myself, it's like, huh? Oh, oh. So, you know, just like Rihanna, people know I'm Barbados because of Rihanna. I hope that you know Sen Lusha because of Carol. Yeah, and I want to be like, you know, I knew him, right? He's my friend. I know him.  So I think it's an interesting story that you're able to go to Taiwan and bring you, it does able to be your authentic self and you're still able to shine and get into leadership roles. And being on a mainstream artist over there right now. So, you know, congratulations. So anyone inspired by your story, any Sen Lusha in thinking about going to Taiwan, what is it that you have to say? What's the message?  Don't ever stop believing because what you have now may seem small. When you're reusing back at the cultural center, you know, reusing until midnight, taking all these buses back home for Tinde and masquerade master all these shows. I would have never thought where this journey would end or where this journey would take me. So just continue harnessing your talent, continue building, continue believing and being an inspiration to other people. Because I think there's solutions all over the world in the UK and Canada, in the US, you have Johan Duterville in the US as well. And we all started small and all we needed was an opportunity to go big. And I think for us, our heart is still at home. We still want to come back and then to build Sen Lusha because I have business plans for Sen Lusha. I have to be ready. I can't even ask you. You want to do it all. You know, you want to do it all. You want to do it all. Just continue working hard and pushing because you just never know where it'll take you. And the sky, you know what people say, the sky is the limit. You're like, I'm looking at all the babies in Canada. But really, the sky is the limit. And whatever you believe is possible. Just keep on pushing. And don't let the haters stop.    But that's not the case. That's not the case. You have to continue pushing and continue dreaming and working hard. And that's my message. Well, Mr. Victor, thank you so much for joining us.  You know, you shouldn't say on camera what time it is or what date it is. But thank you so much for chilling with me today and just reaching out and being so open. And, you know, on all the best, thank you for stepping up, rerouting for you. And let's continue being you and continue being great, Carol. And I'm rooting for you too. I follow the show. I'm a fan as well. Oh, thank you. And I'm impressed of all that you've been doing as well. Yeah, trying to blend it all. Thank you very much, Carol. That's it for this week's installment of Stepping Up. Don't forget to send me an email at steppingup758.gmail.com if you or someone you know wants to be featured on the show. I'm your host, Daniel Dubois. Thank you so much for joining us. See you next time. Keep safe and don't forget to keep Stepping Up.