ime she doesn't seem bothered by all this so where were you hidden so how are we getting out and now you can do some character stuff that's the binding element these two kids i've heard that in a long time yeah and joe's still very that is the jaded element of him struggling whenever nice things happen he's like nah nah they got people posted all around the inside perimeter we get close we get caught you can't remember what like toy or something that's from i want to say that it's slightly familiar i i know that kind of toy yeah which is pretty pretty clever i like that is it done with magnetism i can't remember yeah they're magnetic filings that are drawn yeah to the surface with the pen that's your bridge over the river also um it's just with saying i think the actors for henry sound pretty good so far yes yeah you notice anything strange about the city no infected where are they infected yeah they're infected faggot drove them underground 15 years ago and never let them come back up the fedra guy that i worked with told me that it's clean completely clean they cleared it out all of it like three years ago okay maybe there's one you see like proud of him the little head of you like no no no good you ran into a clicker two of them and you're still alive you're the right people if it's bad down there if it's the best option that's your great plan no that's my dicey as fuck plan no that's the problem yeah you can't stay here they're going to help us escape seeing it feels to me like joe would find it so much easier to fuck this guy over if it was just him and not this other kid with him because it makes it much difficult to treat this these people as non-genuine they probably are showing that age they're joe as well man he's tired where she left it i'm not sure from that expression if he knew and he was just like yeah i know you put it in your fucking pocket i know you didn't listen to me she seems pretty happy to be told to pull it out yeah plan is good plan is good we've been down here two seconds we don't know anything that's kind of a pessimistic point your life forward this is just you and your daughter i promise someone i'd look after be ready to run because most of this hasn't been like the game so far all right that's quite different the thing is we got the sewers sequence i guess is that this is what we'll be doing instead it's similar enough yeah pretty spoopy down there and almost in there man doesn't surprise me at all i think joel is generally protective of children i think a lot of people just naturally would be well i think if someone wanted to say like well there's some people who aren't it's like well joel obviously it makes sense that he would be he's been a father but yeah you're right a lot of people at base are anyway i heard about places like this people went underground after a nice set built settlements what happened to them maybe they didn't follow the rules and they all got infected that's straight out of the game that picture number five six eleven uh so cool your survive fuck yeah man keep it down we're not out yet oh come on can we just rest here for a while wouldn't be so bad to wait the light out a bit safe from shadows when we pop back out on the other side makes it the same so take down same with a coat come on watch the back did you see that let's keep it down buddy okay yeah it makes sense it's not very jagged now is it what's what i mean i don't understand like if someone hadn't even played the game they would be like this joel guy man he's like a he's like a downer in every environment it's like yes he is that's that's who he is nothing is ever safe nothing is ever you like look at that collaborating to take care of him i shouldn't have said what i said it seems kind of cruel to send a whole army after you for that sam he uh got sick there was one drug that worked and it belonged to fedra it's gonna take something big the leader of the resistance movement in Kansas City and captain's brother well that's probably why she's in charge yeah yeah and why she has a man that kind of like man and that's why she's ruthless and that's why everybody is the way that they are this guy apparently was fucking great i am the bad guy because i did a bad guy thing man almost like you guys should have waited a little bit could you imagine dealing some significant damage on behalf of one person joel could you do that it's pretty good as a seed to set up to light her on yeah it's just they're just doing the work they're supposed to the whole season is going to build up all with all these different environments and characters doing the different choices and then he's gonna have his this is kind of the last of us too in microcosm this story i like that sack was a violence well i mean she's abby and henry is joel why are you talking to him this room seemed so big michael told me that this wasn't a room at all it's the big wooden box so that nothing could get inside of he said as long as we were together we would be safe he was so beautiful i never was he would be horrified by the things i've done and if you've come to tell me that michael wouldn't want me to hurt henry that he would want me to forgive your brother was a great man we all loved him the last time i saw him alive he told me to forgive and what did he get for that where is the justice in that what is the point of that he didn't change anything you did i can't believe it we've got everything yeah this is very well done this is everything she's clearly everything we needed she relied on her whole life so her brother her brother took care of her brother made her feel like a good person he was taken from her now he's gone and so she'll do anything to get revenge on him even though that's not what the brother would want and she understands the context she does she's choosing this and it's gonna fucking backfire at it more or less on board anyway because they all liked him and they did like him he was a decent leader or whatever for the morale probably the personnel but she's the one that actually made change happen but it's the the often the dichotomy right the principled idealist and then the the realist yeah who makes things happen we and yeah that was just you needed only one scene to do it for her and that was that was it that's everything about her now we have it was real awkward now that saying like you know her being the leader here previous episode wasn't about her it was a setup now it's about her isn't it that's how it works yeah this scenario looks similar oh this looks like something yeah well we're going away oh me what is a huge state it can fit two more people yeah each state maybe we just call this one a success and say our father wills no i don't change this mind trust me this is how he goes he's like no oh wait never ever ever happening and then i'm like i'm gonna ask you a million more times at me yep my foot yeah there it is the sniper that sounds like the sound effect of nearly getting detected you hear that yeah oh yeah i know what you mean yeah they're like it's a shame about this bright-ass moon it is very bright isn't it stay here what get out fucking sniper what do we do did you see where somewhere down the street stay here what if you don't move he's not gonna hit you right now y'all stay here no before you start i need you guys to keep him busy i'm gonna go around try to get in the house through the back and then i'll take him out i'm gonna go around and see if i can't get the angle if you go out there he's gonna kill you it's dark and he has shit aim nobody's gonna kill me then he's gonna kill us okay hey be careful you trust me this is one to one with the game right yeah you go around the side to ambush me was during the day in the game that's the only difference yeah yeah man it is very bright yeah this is a bit this is bright it's very bright wow yeah the moon can be like yeah most full moon tonight can be bright sure but like come on well it's just a common thing in shows and movies right where like it's you blue shift it or this is a bit different well you commit like support dick and make it so you can't see shit yeah yeah well it would actually be night but they put a very high wattage light way up on sticks let it over to me and stay up here for another hour that's all you have to do please don't do it well i had to do that would be hardened again oh he was and you would have called them by now right probably yeah that's how they do it okay nice because yeah they're gonna have i was wondering if you were just a lone old man sitting up there i was actually gonna say why the fuck is there in a lone old man it was like oh he's a fucking oh here we go he's gotta get him in the face i'm glad he's missing though because people do mess instead of just getting you know oh and he's hard damn we're both taking right with your team take the time with this one yeah yeah there you go that's that's the way you do a payoff like that yeah panic shots and then like okay breathe jeez oh shit man all we missed it now is it obvious all these i'd say who is that gonna be the rumble that wakes him up or maybe is this unrelated to the the little hole they had back in that other place i guess that was just evidence that they're underground yeah i don't see how anything else would save them it would have to be a hoarder zombies i'll come out just let the kids go sorry the girl is with a man who killed brian and well fans with you you don't understand but i do i know why you did what you did he's just a fucking kid kids die henry they die all the time he's worth everything man i wouldn't relevant to holy shit yeah get ready to take him and run yes do it it ends the way it ends oh that'd be a hole i wonder if he's realizing what this is i'm wondering yeah if joll knows what this is i think they all sort of realize what yeah oh boy oh fucking boy oh dude awesome oh and look at that it's actually the amount of bullets is making a difference but there's just so many of them yep and once they scatter around it gets harder and harder and now you're just gonna get people getting picked off in it oh he's looking stressed out but i have tight aim now yeah where's that bloater though yeah well it's crazy to write because every person they kill by biting then turns into one right eventually right well how quick is it if they killed them they're dead and i think it depends on where they're bitten oh yeah oh oh damn look at that christ i think he was going for a sidearm there as well oh that's his head off yet why you gotta why you gotta do that oh look at that man he's selling that fear can't stand there she can that was pretty neat geez we're gonna really confident aren't we yeah those are some close shots i guess they're literally closer at least oh and yeah she's good someone's gonna eat you lady water's coming all right and there you have it hi all complete story finished that is the point being made that's what you get bye well that's it for them really does a great job of showing just how fearsome they are you know how how bad it is when they show up yeah and it looked like they were starting to run over to they just go back to Kansas City right and there's gonna be plenty more people to eat there it's gonna get overrun okay yeah seems like the big thing as well that makes them super threatening here is that they're more organized whereas in the original there's no like seeming like yeah which seems to be the network idea which which helps i think i think it helps make them more threatening because it's not about just randomly bumping into them and then you get in trouble it seems more so like there's a potential to be overrun what's that comic book say endure and survive endure and survive that she's really yeah it's not great look i don't know exactly how i'm getting to wyoming i'm probably walking but last i heard he was in wyoming we get there we find him we find the fireflies you know if you want to eat yeah yeah what are you saying to me sounds like a good plan man yeah i think it'd be nice for something to have a friend i'll tell him in the morning uh silence springy sector one five taken stock of all the food we found today i see and how are we doing on canned peaches did henry send you no i would henry send me to make sure i'm not fucking up some out i'd say we all did pretty good back there especially you can you hear me it's everything all right everything's fine well have a good night how is it that you're never scared who says that i'm not what are you scared of let's see scorpions are pretty creepy being by myself i'm scared of ending up alone what about you those things out there what if the people are still inside what if they're trapped in there without any control of their body scared of that happening to me okay first of all we're team now okay we're gonna help each other out and second they might still look like people but that person is not in there anymore my blood is medicine henry says that they've moved on that they're with their families like in heaven do you think that's true i go back and forth i'd like to believe it but you don't i guess not me neither serious talk i almost forgot if he doesn't know about it you can't take it away all right i'm pooped i'll see you tomorrow i guess that's impression she may have gotten from the fireflies oh not on the palm you're doing the thing i mean this worst thing that's just fucking mixing blood right now which is a general no no everyone that is a general no no yeah if you get anyone's blood in you you need to uh get medical attention immediately bsi body substance isolation unfortunately this is something she may have concluded because she's not from like fireflies obviously deliberately didn't tell you much at all about how she's holding the cure or maybe she knows it's bs and she's just trying to make him feel better in the moment no i think she genuinely believes this may help yeah remember they they only told her the nature of her importance right before they handed her off to joe and so they may have just said like your blood is the key to the cure that's probably why she thinks this should work and then of course the first thing she did when he showed her was look over the other room because if joe finds out he will shoot this kid so he'll stay awake with him to make sure he's immune too right that smells good morning where's sam i let him sleep in for once oh well if you wanted to join us you can go wake his ass up shit he's turning screw it gotta get you all right are you okay oh my god sam sam easy easy i'm gonna get that gun for me okay oh okay okay easy is it your fault this is nobody's fault henry it's all your fault henry henry no yeah that hit pretty much as hard as it does in the game which was west off they go to Wyoming well that was a really good episode i like that a lot i don't know i guess it's five and around now was there anything that we asked for that wasn't in there that was basically everything that we expected and wanted and maybe a little bit more as well in a few places it's it's it is becoming increasingly clear with each successive episode what we're building up to thematically like all of the seeds are being planted with all of these stories very deliberately that lady she was just perfectly characterized she's yeah she's doing the thing where you when you decide there are no choices in the world there are only um what happens as a result of this other thing like you make yourself an object in the world is i think the philosophy behind it and that's what she is as a character she's decided when she talked to her with henry right i know why you did what you did is to save your kid but you know fuck you maybe a kid should die why did my brother die like how does that how does that work fuck you you die now that's that's just it's the dominoes and it's how everything fucking works in this universe a lot of the time at the core there's some good decision that was made or at least a decision that was bad it was made for good reasons and there's like yeah well repercussion is i fucking kill you now actually okay heart take i think this is the last of us two done properly this episode uh-oh careful yeah kind of uh you know the how it you know the whole self-destruction element and you know it can lead to the you know because this was what they kind of tried to do with the uh the wlf and the the other guys right you're part of they were embroiled in the fighting that they collapsed we're in this case it was a bit different than that because we've got like you've got like this very fundamentally personal conflict that is kind of like playing out here but then it'll like in the face of the existential threat there's a choice before you you're going to let this go and like work together uh or are you not going to do that and then we see what happens in her case one of the hold on to it so she died one of the larger gaps in the last of us two as far as i'm concerned always was that we never got to see abby address the reasons that joel did what he did part of the reason that happened is because the writers went familiar with the reason why joel did what he did well they they hadn't figured it out they weren't or they changed their mind they were they changed it um got about them in the interim if fucked everything she is hyper familiar with what he did and why and she's like now you die and your kid dies that's what happens next that's what i think was missing for abby the only problem is as soon as you do that it turns them into a villain that's what they are at this point well an antagonistic yeah especially to uh to you know our our team right think about it henry's choice is i i essentially get this guy killed in exchange for saving my brother it's like that's a really tough thing that all of us would have difficulty and that's that's part of the bigger point of a lot of the hard choices made in the last universe whose is it's done there's nothing you gain by killing them anymore but i have to that's what i'm doing it's what happens what you did it places their family in the role of villain a villain whose logic you understand but a villain nonetheless and what did they do to it they had her strung out right till the end trying to get a vengeance and it got her killed it got everyone killed and it got everybody killed and it's going to destroy that whole city yeah all because she desperately deserved she couldn't let it go because her brother was right and they didn't listen to him the brother had to figure it out he got it he know that um and i guess in a certain sense you'd be like well i guess it's really sad then that henry having to make this choice i guess ultimately led to this and it's like yeah i guess it is really sad that that's that's what happens but that's what happened in the story we are building up with all of these stories perspectives on like the choices that characters can make in the apocalypse like the difficult choices about what people choose to value and how they choose to conduct themselves and it's so clearly deliberate especially after this episode it's so clear what they're building up to like now especially with having that change where ellie knows that um that sam got bit and that she made something of an effort that she thought she could do at the time to try and save him and then it doesn't work instead of in the game she didn't know and then it was a surprise it's it's like you're kind of sowing the seeds a bit more of her really being motivated to uh to save everyone make this cure happen to save people because in this instance you tried and it didn't work not that the game didn't have that as an element i guess it's just that this scene really like brings it to the forefront which of course and then of course still having the same stuff with joel right that this experience is going to be the thing that is like the big push to pass ellie off to to uh to tommy yeah because enough enough dealing with this it's so fucking hard having to meet people care about them watch them die and then they die struggle to trust whether or not you should all this stuff like joel man peter pascale is such a good job this episode of convincing me he's fucking strung out this is so much to do with yes it looks really exhausted emotionally emotionally exhausted yeah he's just and by the way god damn they did some great work with henry and sam there one episode yes that's one episode they did an actual job it's kind of it's just it's a different journey but it's the same format idea of giving them a lot of focus for one whole episode they we get this start middle and end and then how their story feeds into the story of joel and ellie i love this this raw human shit happening where you might i think uh when when people watch a tv show they might try and like break it down logically in in an erroneous way i would go as far as saying this same thing happens in the game but basically when they burst in and ellie's being attacked by uh sam zombie so to speak and joel is immediately like fuck i need my gun and then henry's like fuck no you're not shooting my brother it's like he's look like and it takes him just a bit and then he ends up shooting him himself like because it's and there's that moment of dick of like starting to realize what's happened right it was like the heat of the moment the the choice and then takes him a little bit of time to realize oh yeah it's just like uh i can't do this like i can't i can't like i can't do this it was his one job and he failed that's how he would feel about it right it's the same for so many characters that's how they feel it fucking drives them that sam was the most important person in his life i mean and look at the choices he made to save sam and then sam dies you know that weighs on him too right he made the choice and even says what did i do like in that moment i killed sam sort of thing which applies on multiple levels it's really good storytelling um there's just no no uh no other way i'd happily give this episode excellent as a as a title for um quality this was really strong there's a couple of problems i'd say but um well it's generally fucked up right of like non-stop headshots like the joe was pulling off yeah i would have prepared some illnesses in that sequence yeah get really good when it comes to when it comes to character it's it's really really really tight this episode was really strong by way of character we got so much and it's rags said i'm glad he said it first but like yeah i feel feel pretty vindicated yes you're kidding me i mean kind of i mean like i said there's five now yeah now we're five there's a lot of our expectations about what this episode was going to be were realized and particularly with regard to uh it's cathleen right there yeah cathleen i mean what doesn't make sense about her at this point yeah exactly we got it we we figured it out we we had well they even gave us the so her brother in the role on a personable and social level and bound everybody probably gave her morale she's the one that came up with the plans and executed them likely because she's much more ruthless the commentary is that the characters were two halves of a whole that's what that's like yes and then when he was lost when he died the only thing that was left was the vengeance the ruthlessness no forgiveness no mercy and look what it did compassion and then the consequences that everything gets destroyed because there are some pretty present themes in the last of us about like the interpersonal relationships but then of course more of the challenges right of life well how much is one person's life worth to somebody what are they willing to do does it mean you know are they willing to commit to saving one person's life when they know that that may well you know endanger or cause greater harm to a larger number of people like those sorts of things but in the case of her right it's a good reflection of of like what that path led to it leads to destruction not just of her but everybody it's everywhere like why did that the emergence whole fucking happened it's like well because Joel shot the shit out of the driver and they crashed why did that happen because he's protecting Ellie more than fucking anything right now why is that happening because they're trying to attack them lot for having killed the brother that she loved more than anything why they're doing that it's like well Henry killed the brother technically speaking because he tried to protect the one thing that matters to him more than anything it all comes back to that two cycles of violence but way more effective that's what i mean i'm sorry this just this is what they were going for maybe if they have time now and they can reformat and rethink everything they can redraw and re-figure out and actually create a last of us three that functions i mean this is the thing i mean how do i not have some level of confidence after seeing these five episodes no that's you're wrong more it could my i will forever be worried about episode nine but yep i'm really not that worried about the next set of episodes they could fall out of course yeah in the same way in the same way they set the mark quite high well they yeah i mean yeah i'm just happily invested it's just this is just a gosh darn good show at this point i'm enjoying watching it it's a very good show it's becoming more and more difficult to talk during it to actually be able to do this into a video paying attention paying attention and and becoming immersed in the story yeah and the journeys of its characters you know what getting a little bit tired of seeing this around it's got to stop oh all right so here we go how do we judge how good acting is all right it's it's tough as we've talked about before how it could be a little bit subjective but a lot of the time there seems to be general agreement on the best and worst that's something to start with i think there's probably three major things right like one um well the general is convincing you of the emotion they're feeling right that's the easy sort of thing the thing is yes what can what can we get closer to maybe being able to prove because me believing in emotion is really down to me a lot of the time rather than like individuals i mean so their ability to pull off different people right like Pedro Pascal i think has proven this with all the characters we've seen him play yeah there's that kind of range then there's the range of how many emotions and states of being can you pull off within a single character anyway and then i think the third one which is often one that a lot of actors don't get to show off because of the writing or the direction but how do you perform under great pressure having to perform something extreme yeah extreme so Bella Ramsey has been shot on forever for being really shit in the show they gotta stop they have to stop yeah the first two episodes i was pretty mad but i think they finally gave her she she really has proven that she could be a great character yeah episodes uh episodes four and five so really if i was to go with those three formats right i can't say to what she's like playing other characters because this is the only character i've seen her play okay like uh well i've seen her play um goanna mormont i think for like five seconds in game of thrones i don't think that counts for much but you know like the beginning of this episode where she says uh it's a weird fucking tone man that's just the way he sounds he has an asshole voice Joe tell him he's okay she's doing stressed and assertive there i would say you could say disbelief and frustration when he he doesn't do what she says everything is great dude fuck and so she has to sell those like emotional states then you go um she's done like rage in episode one people from fedra you hear me let me out are you gonna pay mother when she killed the guy like shocked stunned when when uh cathleen was just eating like that was that was a shit ton of shock the camera hung on uh ellie for a bit there i think it's just she's watching someone getting eaten alive of course playful and like childlike stuff she's done with sam in this episode and then a lot of the playful stuff she's done with joel it'll still be stationary when she was like tearing up behind the wall and when she's talking about with joel about the life she's taken and stuff you could call that like that's like kind of portray vulnerable and like haunted shaken what we talked about how she's uh assertive and sticks up for herself with the whole so don't blame me for something that isn't my fault like i said it's sort of like emotional maturity but also being able to portray someone who isn't gonna allow herself to be sort of trampled over which i think a lot of people said was like a trait they were hoping to see ultimately i'd say that that's a pretty big selection of range of different emotions but then you've also got like the absolute shock and horror from um that ending sequence i think that was it for me after seeing that final scene she's she's she's solid now i actually like her as ellie oh yeah i think so it's weird because you are right in the sense that we can all pretty much align on who the great actors are and who the terrible actors are the big area across the spectrum yeah in the middle it gets kind of gray but i think the broad swath of actors it's generally agreed upon which ones are good and bad even though there doesn't seem to be any sort of super hard criteria you know are they able to convince people most of the time are they able to emotionally move people most of the time are they able to make you forget it's an actor playing a role most of the time seems to sort of be what is you know the thing that unites us on that the term acting is funny to me because when it's done right it's not really an act in a way like the emotions are real they usually a lot of actors pulled from a less than it's making the real thing in an in an artificial way in a sense yeah you'll have a lot of actors who unearth something from their past like the saddest moment in their life and they'll bring that energy into it like i've been on film sets where i've observed i saw this one day i saw this actor he was stood in the corner of a hallway and he was like crying like he's like really sobbing i could see his shoulders kind of moving around i'm like is that guy okay and everyone's like dude just leave him alone he's he's amping himself up for the scene he needs to get into this headspace and it's like oh okay that's there that was his process i feel like that's some people aren't they don't quite need to do that where they have to go into the corner of a room and and just block themselves off from everybody some people are better at channeling that negative energy some some people can do it quite quickly um everyone has their own process but the emotions are real when the job is done right i think that the there will be one or maybe a selection of a couple of moments in that final sequence but especially that last reaction she has to um a lot of this show they seem to be playing with a lot of like how humans react is complicated to a lot of things but um the fact that she goes to like scream but it cuts off because it's like the gunshot plus the friend of yours committing suicide but simultaneously it's all over and they did that with the zombies too at the end when it was all rowdy and there's the lights and they were screaming and everything and they just cuts to him in the hotel and it's just dead quiet i imagine to help with that scene like you think usually like if the camera is not on you then they wouldn't have to set up certain things like whatever the camera is not seeing they probably had the guy who played henry there falling down even though he wasn't being filmed just so the actress could better put himself in the situation where she's observing somebody kill themselves to be a bit different if somebody with a script was standing there instead it's like okay now cry ellie yeah they probably actually had henry falling down pretending he's dead well yeah she just stays at the body because we just went from what was a pretty good environment to everything falling apart entirely yeah the night before things were great i mean we i have this friend who's my age close enough we've got some traveling companions we are able to you know none of us are hurt things are like legitimately really looking up like this is probably the best thing that's happened in a long time all things considered i know yeah pedro askels great in the episode same for as we said henry sam and uh i think kathleen was pretty good as well the actress for her yeah absolutely yeah didn't get a lot of her but i was convinced in her her villain origin scene yeah that was good yeah and we needed it so thanks for that like this for me feels like the whole episode was just filled with stuff we needed just tell her the story i'm pretty strong as a so to speak half season finale i guess i'm a fan and i guess six seven eight nine we shall see we are past the halfway mark yeah that's right we are the majority of the story at least by slim margin and yeah so far so good in fact just saying so far so good might be a little unfair it's been like the last few episodes have been pretty great yeah i've been very very pleased to the point where before we started an episode i'm like all right i'm ready to see what happens next well i'm excited this episode already at this point oh yeah looking forward to seeing it every week well three was the favorite for me then four and now five so and now it's probably five yeah we imagine six six will come back down probably we'll well that'll be the uh probably the tommy episode yes yeah which uh i guess the yeah i guess the question will be how much of a tommy's story because they've got the the change here right where tommy's got his own sort of troubles and problems going on seemingly and i guess the question will be i wonder if we're going to see any of that uh that backstory that tommy is not so fond of of his time with joe during the uh the intervening years because he did not he does not like that time i imagine episode six they'll bring back the teaser i can maybe maybe yeah maybe we'll see like the direct aftermath of uh sarah's death like what joe's looking like for those first few days maybe we'll jump ahead a bit more the teaser slot really comes in handy with anything that it's like such a large time jump that it would it would be weird if they're all like connected together back to back without that buffer of the title sequence like that flashback to jakarta it's good to have the teaser slot for a scene like that but you don't know yeah it's a good for a cold open it's good for a uh thing that is markedly different from you know what the main story is or a different time like you said yeah so i can see them bringing back the teaser for a flashback with joe and tommy and then title sequence back to the present well and i guess the question is as well is are we going to see tommy's time with the fireflies we're going to have ellie and riley presumably we've got uh that's got to be coming eventually and then of course you've got the david stuff there's a lot left uh for them there's a lot left and i feel like they've uh they've sown a lot of seeds they've done a lot of good work so far now they got to bring it home they got a they got a now the landing stick the landing one um it's crazy to be the thing that we're going to be watching episode what like eight-ish around when mando starts the contrast we're going to have like he's going to be like i would like to buy some cheese and spare some blue space cheese i can bring you in this is the way it's going to be such a stark contrast between this is the thing guys we've got to say for the good when it comes because we're gonna the sludge begins eventually you know the sludge is it's starting up real soon ant-man and then back into the sludge the sludge shower and laurian yeah well it's because yeah because the beginning of the year has been pretty solid by way of media from video games and you know television and films it's been it's been really good and i guess it's more broadly it's like how to know guys maybe give the show a little bit of credit it's very clear there's a lot of trust issues with naughty dog and neil druckman projects that's why this is happening yeah and but um we're here to judge it for what it is not for who made it yep it's what we always do and so far so good as as free said is an understatement so yeah so far so great in the game sam doesn't show ellie his wound and it like you're saying fringy it's a surprise when she wakes up in this version he shows her and she would she be so sure about her blood being the cure there on the wound that she would be comfortable sleeping in that room she wasn't comfortable sleeping in that room she promised to stay awake with him and she fell asleep that's right she wasn't the chair wasn't she yeah you look at the way she was sitting she didn't intend to fall asleep but that's just what happens right you close your eyes briefly and then you're asleep but uh it's also yeah you just have to believe she was sort of naive enough to think that it's as simple as a blood transfer and she can cure a person or the very least maybe right that she's gonna at least try something even though it's obviously probably not gonna work yeah it is naivety in that case like that's fine i was just curious about it well exactly what was going through ellie's head what she was writers thinking there we can all agree that she would try it i think we've been character for her to try it and then she was gonna keep an eye on him and if things got worse do something but obviously and and you know i think the reason why he didn't try to attack her earlier is the is the idea that he's actually deaf so he's just sitting there with no necessary interaction oh well because in the game it was uh he was standing by the window um but that was because ellie wasn't in the room with him but yeah i think it's just she didn't mean to fall asleep yeah of course yeah and then i can see that yeah great episode i mean fuck i was riveted man like i'm uh give me and we didn't see infected for a while but now they came back with a force and when they were all they're all running out of the ground like that it's like oh shoot i figure people will like this episode for that the army of zombies faces the soldiers we got a nice bloater kill poor whatever his name is getting his head torn off that was cool yeah which is you know it always sounds weird but that's neat that they gave him that role he got to do a couple things oh yeah Tommy's yeah Tommy's VA and uh i'm pretty sure that uh Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson meant to be in it too and we haven't seen them yet so we've still got more oh and i think i'm not sure if no one north has a role as well they bring people back why they just well you have to this is the thing guys you kind of have to assume there's probably neils doing probably i'm just like hey well they were you know they were part of the game so can we give him something in any case and that's episode five yep thanks for watching everybody yeah here we go goodbye bye bye what'd you bring me welcome to eFap tv the last of us season one episode six it is how are you all how are you all feeling about that after this one we will be two thirds through two thousand the way through yeah closer to the end and the beginning episodes only enough we know what payoffs we're heading for except rags only knows about mainly one of them right at the end but there's a couple in between that you'll find interesting but yeah we just got done with that fifth episode oh boy what a ride wow episode five wasn't that a tv episode show oh my goodness and that's one of the episodes of all time without further ado let's get right into common showcase shall we here we go Kathleen kids die all the time that one infected little girl and i took that personally surprising we didn't point that out a lot of people felt that way they're like how did you not make that connection it's like oh yeah i guess so yeah i suppose that is a connection books about you know kids die all the time wherever the fuck and then a kid killed her possibly because she was listening and was offended dangerous children are dangerous That's the point of the the episode right every murderer was once a child destroy all children I keep wondering if I should read these in an annoying nasally voice to like straw man the person writing it coming Endure and survive Do chad voice Endure and survive is how I watch this tv series Because I want season one to be a faithful adaptation and season two to be the opposite I'm sick right now and that kind of helped with my chad It did kind of help. It made it a little bit bassier or a little bit more texture. I think this is an interesting observation, isn't it? yes Very I think this is going to be something that uh, if I beds of referencing Till the end of time in the adaptation argument because a lot of people do not want season two to be accurate to the source Now if being accurate to the source is good, that means you have to fix your system up a little bit That's right. We on the other hand as I've said several times I like comparing but uh because this show is different to the game It is it's different enough to be warranted as saying different even though in a lot There's a lot of similar beats. Yeah It is similar and it is different and it's fun to talk about whether or not that change seems better or worse Or fit better or fit worse with what they currently have or what they might have in future Oh moller. That's an easy discussion. I'll tell you what it is. All right. It wasn't like the game So it's bad See we we took care of that real nice and easy. That wasn't hard at all Well, you know, I think someone else well They'll be saying the opposite if they actually went against season two in or rather game two in season two Imagine there was no bigot sandwich. What if they get rid of the bigot sandwich everybody? Would you be happy about that or sad? I would be very sad because I would want to see how this bigot sandwich compares to Tunnel's bigot sandwich. I think that's fair. Not only did Joel turn over in his sleep He also didn't get any sleep the prior night and also climbed a whole bunch of stairs. I bet he'd be out like a rock I did forget to mention that when uh responding to the comments last time He'd also been awake for two nights that when you were awake for longer. It makes you more tired at uh, I think that's a science thing. I can confirm that we checked more awake more tired Biology facts you'll die of sleep deprivation before you starve to death I'm a bit disappointed the crew didn't talk about how ellie fell asleep when sam asked her to stay away Can has to live with that guilt that she left sam alone as implied by the i'm sorry at the end We actually didn't really talk about the i'm sorry at all And there's a couple of things to say about it that I kind of regret that we didn't but you know what? That's just a reality a lot of things happen really quickly and comments like this can help us open up a conversation That maybe we didn't have but most of it I would say is you know, sorry. She couldn't save him Sorry didn't work out. Sorry that uh, he died alone almost Sorry that in a way that their meeting kind of caused his death in a way Certainly that it led there and I think she would see it that way at least somewhat. Sorry. It all ended up this way Yeah, um Lighten with subtext that sorry is seen by joel and he stares at it quite a bit and you wonder if maybe it's the There's a bit of an implication there of you know Sorry all the efforts she made to bind them together and the the attempts to open joel up What did it lead to like pretty intense heartache? That was uh, that was rough what happened at the end with those two Something I can't remember if we did talk about it, but I certainly would have liked us to the le sees this as a Failed attempt to save someone from a horrible fate and thus it will likely Egg her on to the position of wanting to save people Meanwhile, it'll do the opposite for joel. You'll see this is like That was that you It's it's not worthwhile to do this because everything is doomed anyway It all falls apart all the effort we put in this appointment We nearly died like several times, you know and for what to have some friends to have some fun moments Like is that really worth it? You might even say at that point that ellie would be Further to the degree of chipping away at herself to help other people while joel will be like never Sacrifice anything about ourselves for other people. We're the most important family first that sort of angle So if that's what they're building toward that is a good step toward it and that is all I think nailed with just The I'm sorry on that little pad. So, um, yeah collapse show. Good job. Good point of discussion But uh, sometimes things slip through the cracks in the flow of we do we try We try yeah like that. Hey the comments can pick us up sometimes. So thank you for that That's why comment showcases here The only magic critique I have of this episode is joel not checking everyone for bites as soon as they made it safely To the hotel at the end everything I've been shown so far tells me that he wouldn't risk skipping that Especially after seeing everyone grapple with zombies I'm not going to say that like the person who wrote this is necessarily not applying that to the game But I imagine it would also apply to the game, right? Um, yeah, and so if we skip that conversation that it's it's uh, he does the same mistakes in the game Then it relies strictly on what we've seen in this show We've I don't think ever seen him check anyone for bites not even tass after they had separate encounters I think that you could argue he trusted her he trusts ellie and that he would trust even henry and sam Probably everybody understands what happens and you could think that they would Be willing to disclose that Yeah, like it might it might have been something he doesn't think about necessarily the thing about it is If he had said like when they get to the hotel They all sit down and then he pulls his gun up and they're like, well, what the fuck? And he says show me your arms and legs right now. I don't think that would be out of character But I'd be surprised and be like, oh shit. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess you could yeah All right, and I suppose you could say part of it is that if he's gonna make them Show us to whether or not they've been bitten then they're gonna expect that of ellie, right?  So that's um, I think I could believe both but I can understand Uh, this being brought up especially without careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. I think that I find it fitting That they give og tommy's voice actor the bloater's signature kill. Yeah, I thought it was kind of neat I think we sat at the time.   They still show up But it's kind of in the background a bit blown out as well But yeah, I mean, it's yeah that it is kind of funny though It's like, oh yay the bloater ripped someone's head off Like everybody wanted to see that The backstory for henry really made his scene with sam and how they ended up hit hard henry was a rat for a terribly heinous group and got what's if ace brothers killed And basically I should in a ton of extra suffering for people around him to save his brother And seeing him process that and then make the last decision is just fucking heavy good stuff Yes, that that's basically would be my praise for this is the change right like he's not yeah That's not how it goes in the game They came in with a group of people and they all got killed except for henry and sam who Escaped and then joel and ellie bump into them. They survived together henry's a bit different He's like a hardened survivor. He's kind of like joel and uh, i'm I guess kind of like ellie They're very much reflections while in this it was a little bit different and they're playing on different aspects of the Character journeys that they're going to be going through right like the fact that henry made a choice to have other people Suffer in favor of his brother and then he described it as i'm a bad guy because I did a bad guy thing Like who do you think we're talking about?  He can't deal with it. It is incredibly rough scene An extra layer added on top of something that is already like obviously tragic But to add that extra element of the other things that are going to be weighing on henry as well That is a I basically agree like the back story Makes it a heavier heavier scene than it already was. I think so too It's a very sensitively written scene In the game as well as this at like there's so much going on in that one instance in that one character's head I mean also the mocap actor but the guy in the show That's that's a very hard thing to do. They did it quite well You completely ignored the bit in the game where jules says and just so we're clear about back there It was either him or me That's his acknowledgement and thanks to ellie that she was right ellie even says you're welcome in response So the edit was to prove the point which was the initial reaction And then I showed the rifle part to prove that Against the comment that was provided. He doesn't trust it with guns still and that's why he's angry I showed that point to be like no, he does now that that's that's definitely come through And so then we talked about how it's a subtextual sort of thing to grab from the scene where he's angry at her That he is happy that she saved his life So I don't know why you've brought this up is basically my conclusion It's like we already said that's what's happening in that scene We just said that it's uh way more overt because it happens straight away in the show The part that's missing in the game as far as I'm concerned at this point is the um Didn't want you to have to do that because um, I did show the clip as well of when he says, uh, Trust her with the guns from now on I don't think you would draw from that that he Doesn't think that what she did was the right thing fun enough I was going to put it in but I couldn't find an example But I saw plenty of people saying which is the opposite criticism of this that what you're criticizing it for being too subtle now it's like, uh I think there's a fine line between having characters say the thing versus not say the thing Which is better when one could be implied one could not but I don't think you can even draw out of the scene Necessarily that he feels bad that she had to kill someone this line just so we're clear It was either him or me to me is him saying you made the right choice Which I already said you can get from the fact that he starts having to have guns straight away after that Scenario the part that's missing is the uh the guilt of a literal little girl having to end a life Because joel wasn't fast enough or quick enough or good enough against the enemy Which I think is a really cool angle to take Yeah, I agree. The the acknowledgement really is the gun being handed over Yeah, I think if anything you don't need him to say just so we're clear It was either him or me if we we already have that trust me. I'm pretty familiar with the game I'm not trying to lie about it Like or ignore it. I still I don't know about uh john and free but I still think the game is better right now Out of the two. Yeah, I I agree with that. I'm not sure yet. I'm a fan of the show But uh the game is better. I think yeah, I think the game is better It'll depend definitely on how it ends to answer the question. I think that's the problem right now This is it's not complete yet It was very considerate of the child clicker to ignore the rules of clickers in order to kill kathleen Right up there with the hey, you wrapped it from Jurassic park lost world Ninja zombie from the resident evil films Um, I assume they mean the kathleen was silent and staying still and the clicker jumped on it Despite not having any vision. There's someone who's edited this episode several times as I do with all of them before that happens The zombie is is obviously chasing. I assumed anyway. Ali exists the one from the car So it got up to where ali was and then I think you hear kathleen say stop or hey Right after that the clicker is crawling toward her You see it in the background just before ali points it out and then just before it gets so you can see it As far as I'm concerned the clickers have a lot of stimulus in terms of noise It doesn't necessarily mean they'll be drawn to any particular one. They'll just go for one It might work this way in the game, right? Say you're staying still and you're three meters away from an infected and then you like stamp on the floor It'll look over you walk over to and if it gets within range, it'll just attack you as though This is the last area. I heard the noise from I will go for this area I think that happens in episode two that they jump on joe when you that's just the way that the clickers Work is is that they'll just be standing around and then sound it's like oh sound I'm gonna go to the sound and then of course if you're like running around then They'll just follow where that running is coming from kathleen made noise If you want to argue she's not making as much noise as I guess the gunfire in the background or whatever It's like at that point. I think clickers can react to whatever noise is their preference I don't know that it say they had like noise at 10 20 and 30. I don't know that they always go for 30 Yeah, do they have to go for the loudest noise or do they just stick with the one they had first or the one that Seems to be closest to them. Perhaps it was only partially turned and some parts of the eyes were not covered in Mushroom tissue yet. No, I'm pretty sure it was fully a clicker Yeah, same like it. So hold on when this guy says rules of the clickers He's talking about the blindness thing. Yeah, he's saying The implication is that kathleen shouldn't have been attacked because she wasn't making any noise But like I said, she does shout. Yeah, I don't see the issue there really Neither do I so the next up is maybe the rioters just needed it to kill a character who is standing still I mean a whole crowd of people making more noise She did make a noise and I don't think that they've said the rules are as long as there's a louder noise That means that the clicker will go for that. It'll never go for any random noise It'll always be the loudest noise. In fact, that seems like it'd be really weird because at that point Wouldn't they all go to the same place?  Why would you give up what you're doing to go get the really? It's so much like that needs to be like a recognition that the infected in the last of us There's like some semblance of behavior There's like an objective that the that any individual infected has which is essentially to create more infected I think it's safe to say that you could have your fictional Species thing the only ever chase the loudest noise, but that's not what we're dealing with in this They don't just chase the loudest noise. That's not what we've seen It's especially complicated when they've added in the element of almost like a hive mind Kind of working that too. Yeah that it can pursue different objectives in a sense Not only is it about loud noises here, but like she's speaking English to somebody like I don't think anyone else in that scene in that instance is like speaking in Sentences not that to say that like the clickers can understand English or whatever, but they're probably Honing in on sounds that don't sound like other clickers just going raw Yeah, no, it's a great point if if they were distracted only by sound and surely they'd start hitting each other Right, it doesn't really affect the outcome though.  You could have just said you disagree that that could have been your rationale It's the only explanation that tlj shills all I would say it responds easily is like you're just the opposite Yeah, I don't know what I meant to do with a comment like that. It's like I disagree I think that we're trying to apply the standards that we've always applied and developed over, you know Many discussions about media just trying to apply it here. You just disagree with the conclusion, which is fine But like yeah, I always find it really weird when it's like, ah losing their way I'm just trying to like talk about the show Or not I think I just think it's good this language by the way that they are creepily like tlj shills, which is terrifying Are you okay, my dude? It's terrifying to you that we've been talking about the show this way by tlj shills They've just been person advocating for thing. I don't like that's all which you're allowed to do Ultimately, it's about like the arguments, right? Like should be conclusion. Hopefully, but yeah, you're right We've had plenty of controversial hated and loved things over the past five years. Yeah feels weird that tlj is the only reference you got Like he's brave Without some blind manner a fair number of you you guys disagree to this on mando season two We are not forgetting that one. Okay Yeah, that was so no mando. Shit. It always was As obviously a bit of an outsider to the The community and everything like maybe i'm missing something here But I don't know why he's throwing the last jedi in there when uh when the last jedi was coming out It was like a very fraction.  It wasn't like a film where there were a lot of people who were like in the middle Like it was just fine. It was a very polarizing film and Conversations that people were having in defense of that film were often very frustrating because the arguments were confusing and weird and seemingly Inconsistent a lot of the time and bizarre. I guess that's what's being applied here that the arguments that we're putting forth For why we're doing the show is solid. I will say it's like hyper illogical some of it's disappointing because uh We can clear it up. I just never thought we'd have to right so take for example And uh, if you're familiar enough with the film, john, you'll remember but the opening of tlj the the first order have arrived The heroes are escaping. They're all onto the radis.  I can't remember how long but you hit the ship, right? You destroy that and then you recharge and then you hit the base on the planet That seems to be the most reasonable thing to do to annihilate your enemy and hux chooses the opposite He goes to the base and he kills nothing and then but by the time they recharge po destroys the ship And so they can't and obviously the criticism is wow if he had gone for the ship It would have been over over the end of the movie, right?   It just doesn't explain the behavior If he was arrogant surely you would just go for the ship It's like we can get him because arrogance almost implies like you think you you're able to do something when you can't actually And so if the argument is like he thought he could take them up both outs Who went for the base first like yeah, but why wouldn't you go for the ship first?    Yeah, he was arrogant.  He's like fire anyway.  Yeah Um, but they didn't do that of course And so yeah, you get I think that's the angle that people are going for and she's like, yeah These aren't the same arguments But I guess that's our job is to now clarify that and um, I just hope you're not getting terrified By us praising the show. I wouldn't want that to happen. Yeah Hey, you know, maybe he's actually quivering under the table right now. You know, hope he's okay Don't worry in a fetal position walking back and forth Don't worry. We recently covered ant man in the wasp and said that was pretty poopy. There you go back to normal See, you'll be all right. Oh, yeah What bothers me about Kathleen in this episode, this is still chad by the way Specifically is that they give us a scene that humanizes her and grounds her realistically Parentheses her brother is kinder than her and she knows it But then it flips and it's revealed that she knew the whole time why Henry did it Yet she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider if she killed Henry anyway She could have looked conflicted But decide she has to kill him because she doesn't know how else to make the pain go away But they only Not do this They not only do this. I don't know what They even make her doable down Duple No, sorry double down.  This is a weird comment I'm not entirely sure but I wanted to make sure it was covered The first thing I thought was interesting is she never has a moment to at least waver on the decision or consider it That's exactly what she does when she pulls the gun on him. She waivers She's yeah, he does actually a bit and also she can she's considered it for a long time It seems like he's done a lot of considering about it And I guess he was saying like if only she had killed him then she could have looked conflicted It's like well, she looked conflicted anyway She was conflicted but she was gonna commit to it because she sees it as a um a domino effect You killed my brother.  That's how it works I'm not sure what the end is there says um Is he has ties to Henry justifies his kids die all the time yet leaves her entire town vulnerable to kill for one person I'm not She definitely did not want that to happen that is a result of her mistakes I think when she says that about like knowing why Henry did it like it's Henry is Hidden behind the car at that point and she's just trying to get him out. So she's also quicker to gun down She's also partially making a point. I think it's somewhat fair.  Yeah for sure In isolation kids die all the time therefore It's okay for kids to die is not a good argument But it's not quite what she's saying the entire point is that she knows it's irrational and there's no point But revenge is her number one priority. So yeah, she is very irrational And she seems to have a pretty strong awareness of it but has decided that she's committing to it sort of thing It's not the plausibility and rationality. I know why she's doing it It just makes the scene trying to humanize her pointless and was a wasted potential character beat That could have been added to that bedroom scene plausibility and rationality It's like those you got from that scene. That's what that scene did It told us exactly why everything works the way that it does told us why she's in charge Told us who she was to her brother told her who her brother was to her Told her why she's gonna do this and it gave us an awareness that she knows the options She's aware that she could spare him, but she won't yeah, I don't know I really don't know what the confusion is. It's very clear. I'm not sure either Yeah, I included that one because I was like I find this really interesting I feel like it did all the things it was supposed to do Which takes us to the episode itself y'all excited Yeah, you know I miss all modoc avatars I'm sorry associated directly so many years of watching Game of Thrones No teaser for this one No, yeah, we thought maybe they're doing bad They've stopped doing those Yes, that's a shame though. If we were to guess the structure the Riley episode That's gonna have to be do you think next time or the time after that? I'm not sure I'm trying to think of because uh We've got probably you could argue probably four or five episodes worth of game left And they're gonna have to crush it a little bit. Yeah, so um, I think they've been making good time It's surprising when you go through like the game footage So to speak how much of the sequences are like defending yourself against random encounters Which this game doesn't uh, this show doesn't really have to do a lot of the time the action scenes There's a very specifically happening to prove some kind of point. Yeah or develop a very like wider plot. Here we go Three months later. All right, that's a three month jump There I don't think that's how it's pronounced. I think it is my bits Yeah, is this Joel wait, they don't this probably isn't it might be I don't know I don't think they're gonna be stopping in a cabin at any point. Are they unless they just came across one I don't know. I guess I'll down here for a bit. Oh crossbow. Yeah, it's probably not Joe if that was a crossbow Who this Tommy man? Oh new guy. Oh no secret Asian man That's kind of neat And the gun That never you just someone passing through take the gun out two fingers only put it out of reach Why did you shoot him? The gun's all the way over there. He didn't hurt me by the way. Yeah, I got eyes Okay, you made him soup. Yeah, I did It's cold Well, I ain't seen him.  He's got a girl with him. Can I come down? No Who's his little cycle never mind her you got a map why you lost?  Yeah, I like these two That's charming, aren't they they feel like they probably married the whole lives or whatever Not bad to have some levity here after the last scene.  I didn't want to You've come this far and you know, it's out there. So you haven't heard the name tommy. Nope What about the fireflies we get those in the summer not the bugs the people Oh god, what is this infection done? The best way west. Yeah Go east here. That's true. It is a globe.   Okay, okay No, no, but are you because just a reminder that you're dead. I'm fucked.  She's got a rabbit. It's gonna be easy whoever plays the rabbit. It's doing really good It's very convincingly dead. Yeah totally bought into the character The whole like the head bobbing back and forth and it's like I don't know if that's a cg or if They actually acted actually did it because it's painful It'll start it's too close to dark caves along the river. We'll set up camp there crossing the morning. Good starving We should have stolen two rabbits. We can get our own rabbits.  Together a bit at this time of year in this part of the country Roars in and why are men I I don't actually know I don't know if it's north enough. Maybe it is I'm just not sure localized and entirely within your cave. Yes May I see it? No, you're on fire. You're plenty warm You should spit it through the fire and light her on fire and then it explodes Kills all of the everything. You know, you're not gonna wipe it. Let's how you get cuties Stupid child would appreciate alcohol So I've been thinking now because it does taste nasty. Let's say we find the fireflies. It all works then what? Like what do we do? Well, it's a we okay fine. Whatever you You can do anything you want. I wonder what this episode's gonna be about. Where are you going? What are you doing? Maybe An old farmhouse some land come back to see these guys. Sheep. He's Welsh. I would raise sheep They're quiet and do what they're told Yeah, yeah, okay. I like the idea that he's been thinking about that dark or else to look but up I read everything I could in the school library. Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Jim Lovell Do you know who my favorite is?  I knew he was infected. I rubbed some of my blood into his bite I know I know it was stupid, but I I wanted to save him. I like how he like almost said something more complicated than that Yeah, she says they can do it.    It's like Yeah, cheap ranches on the moon Especially eat I will I don't know how she tried to save it.  That's not how science works I woke up early We were passed out so I took second watch. You gotta wake me up if that happens You can't do things like this, but I can I just did check my six I looked for tracks. I found the high ground and I kept watch Like you taught me to all of this so far by the way not in the game No, this is all new and it's pretty good I like a lot of it all of it is chipping away at the big old wall between them. Yeah a bridge Wow, it's like they went to a place where it had snowed in everything No, this is cga. I think I guess they are getting pretty good at it You can see how the snow Yeah, some of the scenes the snow doesn't quite track onto the trees where they're trying to yeah A little wibbly wobbly, yeah snowing uh earlier on in the show than it was in the game, right? Tommy's stuff was in autumn and then when it was uh, well I guess I'm gonna say because rags doesn't know we get so close to it now We'll probably not say anymore. Well, it seems like they've condensed condensed that together They made it all occur around about the same time. I'm learning how to whistle. You don't know how to whistle Did it sound like I know how to whistle?  Talon whatever You should teach me how to hunt Oh get a handle of shooting Not so sure about the dressing What's the dressing the part we take the guts out? Is that really the kind of person that would be grossed out by guts? I can't remember. I guess not, right? Probably not, let's go see Yeah, yeah, but who's in this? Is it the dam? Yeah, so that made electricity? Don't ask me, I don't have a clue She's mending it this time I would have believed you Hydroelectric coal It moves stuff with the water, turns motors or whatever and makes electrics Motors like MoDoc Yeah Machine only trying What if this is the river of death? Um Or Ralph Way too many rivers of death Yeah, why can't there be rivers of life or just just very apathetic rivers? Water is the life giver, they do say. Do you know there's water in all kinds of things like Ribena? You guys have Ribena in America? I don't know. I don't know if that's Earlier This is uh, this is bad Maybe We're looking for any trouble. We're just passing through Drop the gun This be Tommy's gang Gang of mesh fish This is the horse gang.   Like, I guess so, yeah I guess, yeah, dogs are immune Be chill, doggo, man's best friend Wow, I love the the way it checked there, it was like an actual Let me have a look at the check Like I said, just move on Now her Oh, he he don't smell that immune blood The dog's like, yeah, she's infected but she's immune Oh, okay And then they're like, oh my god, a talking dog What are you doing out here?  Yeah, I can believe it It's been 20 years plus now Just, well, in the game it's the dam Which is trying to be repaired So that they can power their local town We do see this place from a distance at this point in the game But we don't know Yeah, that's right Okay You know what this means? This could be the return of bigot sandwiches It could This is where the Last of Us 2 starts Tommy!     Oh my god, is that Dita?    He doesn't realize Because that's Maria Yeah Family, actually This is Maria Be nice there, she's sort of Runs things around here Ma'am, thanks for not blowing my head off Would have been embarrassing Considering you're my brother-in-law We all got to get wrangled up at some point Oh, how do you solve a problem? I get it Yeah, Joel, congrats Dude, that was pretty well done in Tim's Just like, I don't like this lady, but it could go And it's like, I can't, it's like, oh It's always Christmas in Jackson Could you imagine that you wouldn't have a lot of raiders If you're out in the middle of Wyoming?    She's fine All right Oh Damn I can't remember what does he say Tess died to in the game That I don't talk about Tess I don't think that Yeah, I don't think so either I don't remember So you know where they might be? These fireflies? No, they got a base down at the University of Eastern Colorado The uni It is severely fucked up between here and there I made it across the country The two of us can make it from here to Colorado I'm not going What, because your wife won't let you? No Is that why you stopped messaging me back?  Those things that you judged me for How did those things to keep us alive? We murdered people And I don't judge you for it We survived the only way we knew how There were other ways Trying to find you these last few months I'm gonna be a father Man, think of the layers of conflict that adds Yeah Does that come up in the games at all? Does he ever have a kid? Yeah, I'm scared to death No, I don't think so I mean, this conversation is different as well It was a lot more heated in the game In fact, he even says it wasn't worth surviving Like, that was his perspective Well, they almost come to blows as well, don't they?  We're under attack Just because life stopped for you Doesn't mean it has to stop for me Go grab some supplies And be out of your hair in the morning Yeah, because we're probably not gonna do A big Raider encounter in this episode It's gonna be characters talking Characters talking Characters talking Which is fine with me Yep, yep We got lots more to do No, we need an obligatory zombie kill In every episode, like The Walking Dead I'm wondering actually Are they gonna make a change?   Look, I'm not gonna ask I don't think so No, I don't think so But there are clearly things She Tommy did it too Are you worried about him? Tommy was following Joel The way you are now Wow, Joel's fault again Thrown under the bus The only people who can betray us Are the ones we trust You know, come on Grab your super fuckin' eggplant coat Where are we going? The movies We're gonna go watch a movie Watch a flick, a film Wow, but on Star Wars Dippin' Kern in a movie Tonight's show is The Last Jedi Y'all at the hook or what? This ride to the university Is it a suicide mission? No Well, it's dangerous Prepare and do what you do It's quite the crew you got here They're the good men This place gives them a second chance Gives us a whole second chance You've had people go that way and come back All of them What is this? She's immune So why'd you leave Boston? I bet on quite the adventure, little brother And I reckon he's got something to do with that girl She got infected, but she didn't get sick Tell me, I saw her get bit myself That was months ago Months From the beginning Hey, that's cool That looked like it was deliberate Like he was choosing between Anakin and telling everybody And getting a quarantine Or to trust Joel and then explain He's got everything to do with that little girl Well, go on then She's immune Mune to what?   I'm supposed to deliver to the fireflies Well, I figured they're your boys You've finished the job You collect the whole damn payment I haven't seen a firefly in years That you know where they are I saw a man kill his own brother To save her Well, I just watched And today I thought that dog was gonna tear her apart I couldn't move Now I'm not asking for much, Tommy I just want some simple gear Enough to set me on my way No matter what was Lately there are these moments Where the fear comes up out of nowhere And my heart feels like it stopped What makes you think I'd do this for you? This isn't for me Tommy, this is for your damn cause My cause is my family now And I have dreams What kind of dreams?  To make up for the things we did You want some gear?     It's the same thing every time It's not his fault that Sarah was killed But he feels that way But he has a perception about it Yeah, exactly Like what really could he have done To avoid that situation? It's like, I mean... It's not his fault, Tess died Yeah, but nevertheless And so it's just giving him this trauma Where he's convinced that he cannot take care of her He's not good enough to do it Really interesting change That is an interesting change And I like it Yeah, man, that performance too Pretty excellent Yes, it is very excellent Good point, so I agree I'm very happy with Tommy's actor as well I think he's doing a great job too Yeah, he's good Try and remain as spoiler-free as possible But when it gets to a desperate part of this storyline The old Joel will come back Yeah Right Yeah, that's awesome It'll be very satisfying to watch as that's the way they go with this Especially to show him so vulnerable with his brother But then when you challenge or threaten things he loves I could totally imagine something else will happen And it's funny how they use that line About like the map detail matching up On those two people that they found in the cabin Because that's such like It's a great setup Part of that Yeah I really hope they use that I can't imagine they wouldn't It's such a good scene Yeah, Ellie Oh, look at that set design That's like right out of the game Yeah Yeah And that dialogue is too Is this really all they had to worry about? Boys Is this really all they had to worry about? Boys Movies Movies Deciding which shirt goes with which skirt Deciding which shirt goes with which skirt It's bizarre Get up We're leaving And if I say no It's bizarre Listen Why are you here? You even realize what your life means? Huh? Running off like that, putting yourself at risk?  If you're gonna ditch me, ditch me Well, I guess we're both disappointed with each other then What do you want from me? Admit that you wanted to get rid of me the whole time What exactly did you hear?  That I'm gonna end up like Sam? I can't get infected I made this decision for your own good You'll be way better off with Tommy I can take care of myself How many close calls have we had?  Of course I do Then what are you so afraid of? I'm not her, you know What? Maria told me about Sarah Ellie?   Neither I didn't know The capitalist versus the communist Pretty much Houses, doors, that kind of thing We were called contractors It's a contractor That probably is the name of a movie actually A contractor Almost certainly Yeah Yeah Yeah Everybody loves contractors Ah Love making contractors for doing all my contracting Look at these silhouettes It's called a turnover Like an apple turnover But if you make it to the garden I feel like the show is emphasized more than the game Probably could like how quiet things would be a lot of the time The game has plenty of quiet moments But there are so much quiet moments of just There's nobody around There's not many people in the world at this point I just want to once again appreciate the The will they crafted in this show It's really cool Yeah Man things seem pretty chill and happy Be sucky if something bad happened Yeah right and then the episode ended No they wouldn't They wouldn't It'd be a real shame wouldn't it What does that mean?  What do you want to do? So I've been thinking Mm-hmm I don't want a sheep ranch actually I mean if the deal is I can do anything That's the deal Right when I was a kid I used to want to be a singer When I was a kid I wanted to be a singer Why is that funny?    Yeah a whole mess of them Firefly Here we go So how come the zombies didn't infect the buildings And have zombie buildings? That's true Yeah Living buildings like an antem man in the wasp No Maybe we should go back and ask the monkeys for directions Monkeys are intelligent Yeah we're monkeys right? No we're apes You're great apes No that's right humans are great apes So such thing as an ape You're thinking of eight Which is the Or great apes And also the number eight I suppose That too That too It's all monkeys Monkey monkey monkey Return to the monkey Reject biomedical facilities Return to the monkey Was this some kind of apocalypse?  I know the city Is it far? It ain't close I'm in a horseback What? Fireflies? Get down And there we see a raider Devoid of any individual personality And help bent on being aggressive And rude at the back Avoid the species at all costs I do like that you can kind of hear the mute It's the sound effects of like The video game of getting detected Surely they'll be waiting at your horse for you to come back right? Well it depends if they saw the horse yeah I mean you know You want to get out of here as quickly as possible Expressions on both of them Because they both know what it means Like not a Oh no you've been stabbed more of a Shit Joel open your eyes Open your eyes Joel you gotta get up Fuck I'm going What the fuck I'm gonna do A little cliffy hanger Gotta see what happens to Joel So what I was referring to Was um something of an issue I take with uh The last of his game Is the Joel falls I think it's like three meters or something On to rebar and it goes through his whole body And it shows a pool of blood forming That is fucking fast He looks like he's losing shit tons of blood And it's gone like right through his whole body And it's really hard to believe that he survives it It's kind of It's a Serious injury This one is also Serious But it's not quite as crazy Yeah this one I find is easier to believe Uh that he can survive this one Yes like you can survive this But you'll also yeah pass out from some That he's in a he's in a bunch of trouble And also the fact that the fight happens It's like yep gotcha Oh that adrenaline's wearing off Yeah Ah Yep uh though I guess somebody might say that it's like Man pretty shit timing That like when you were there You had that little group of raiders show up Yeah same same thing as the game These are these are normal storytelling issues You usually get with a lot of just People showing up at the the times that are optimal To facilitate conflict and drama Yeah Yeah and you could even say lucky it was just the one That followed them in attacks instead of attracting the Like if it was all four at the same time They'd have been dead Yeah and after he falls on the thing The game still makes you play as him for a little bit And it's very He bleeds for a long time Well it's just a slow walking sequence Which is always fun Right but it really gives you the sensation as a player That he is in a super bad shape Yeah yeah yeah And I will say like a benefit you get with the sequences Seeing Ellie do a lot of the work you usually do And you know Joel having to just desperately watch And I think there's a point where she almost dies And he has to just watch it But you know I just take out a guy Though the one thing I remember is she kills a lot of people In that sequence Because the kill count in the show is a lot less But again an encounter with like four people is really Scary and dangerous Whereas in the game four people it's like that's like Nothing that says barely anybody You know But yeah I don't know what can I say I like a lot of these adaptation changes I think a lot of this makes sense to the show I still think their performances are They've proven themselves really well both of them I feel like at this point it's just a massive cope To pretend like that they're not They're not doing really well And so is the performance Yeah I think so This is clearly is clearly good I don't know I just feel like yeah if you're not given this a chance And if you're just saying it's bad Or saying oh Joel's not acting Or that all the changes are bad changes Or it's not like the game Then I don't know I just I feel like There's a lot of stuff worthy of you know Praise here Well it's no walking dead But I suppose it's all right No walking dead It's no army of the dead But I imagine people may be scared By the fact that we've got Over Last of Us 2 references in this episode It's like we all know it's on the way We know it's coming It will come But I mean surely I guess If it's gonna get set up If it's gonna happen right If it's gonna happen Look how many changes we've made to Last of Us 1 And there was no reason for them to change it In terms of pleasing the audience So to speak So I think that there's a good chance It'll change The Last of Us 2 And if you've got several other creatives Working on the show they might be like Oh hey you know Neil Probably not gonna have this this this Happen because that doesn't make as much sense There's a possibility that'll happen And there's a possibility that through changes That it'll it'll be better But the thing is we I don't think we're gonna be dealing with The Last of Us 2 Before this season ends It's not They haven't got time Not substantially I don't think so Because now we only have episodes 7, 8 and 9 And so it's like we know that The Last One's Gonna be all about the Fireflies We know that we've got the One of them is gonna be a full flashback Which to be honest with you I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next one I think that's the next one The next one might be the appropriate one Actually yeah I in fact In fact I'm thinking about where episode Where the LA storyline Like where the logical end point is Is an episode and it seems like You wouldn't do that And then have the flashback And then yeah the next episode Gotta be gotta be the LA backstory Yeah and if you make 80% of it The LA backstory that Basically has you understand How much she's lost in her life And how much she cares about people And then you end it with The knowledge that she's managed to Repair Joel so to speak And then set up maybe a couple things That was gonna be about in episode 8 And you do episode 8 And there's a payoff in that That I'm very much looking forward To how they're gonna do And then we will all be stressed out Waiting for episode 9 The whole world over That's gonna be a distressed for one For sure But as for this one It just goes like another really solid episode Yeah I mean and there's so many changes Cause like I was gonna say Those two guys we met At the beginning they were fun I liked them and uh Yes yeah I liked them too A little bit of levity Just people out in the middle uh Yeah it's people out there When the guy gets in and she Gives a look It's like uh an implication Of someone's in here And he recognized that But it's too late anyway Cause Joel just immediately says Drop the gun But I like he says Why didn't you shoot him And she just goes The gun's all the way over there And like they seem mostly chill And fun Like you said They've set up the map thing Which I think was a really good choice A lot of smart carefully considered Decisions in regard to Introducing elements from the second game And condensing things The first game The seasons Are quite important Cause it kind of serves as the narrative Framework Of the whole thing Like you have these four Big distinct chapters That are separated by seasons But here we just kind of skipped over The autumn season Just the season Like obviously the events that happen In autumn In the game That's like the whole Finding Tommy at the damn Thing Which is not the Jackson camp Or is it? They don't go to Jackson Like Jackson is off in the distance But they don't go back That don't spend any time there Right But they take the opportunity here to set up The Jackson location Which I thought was a great idea Why not get that out of the way The story more cohesive Cause they know the last two is on the way But we'll have to judge it when it arrives Yeah Like I said There are tweaks That I consider improvements here and there Not including when I limited to the rebar But also just I find the sequence with him and Tommy Especially that they have several conversations To be more convincing I guess Yeah I still like it in the game And I still This is the thing I simultaneously am like Petra Pascal is playing the character Joel Yes But they are different Joels That's not a problem This Joel feels more haggard by life Nothing's working quite like it used to He's getting on And he's so fucking tired Of all of the shit he's had to go through While the game Joel Feels more like I've been through so much It's made me like a terminator It's very compelling to watch Especially when It gets the point of threatening people That he loves And he expresses love in a very Sort of limited more manner While this Joel feels like he's more open to Being vulnerable about his emotions They're slightly different men But I very much enjoy both characters quite a bit Yeah I like that he's more likeable here In the game he In this part He comes off as a real jerk Well you know who's a bit of a jerk In the game at this part Which I'm kind of glad they cut was Ellie finds out That he's planning on leaving her here Or at least palming her off to Tommy And she runs off Now because it's a video game You go after her And you have to fight like scores of bandits Between where she was with you And where she went And like It's a game right So you kill them all And you're like fun game stuff Now cutscene again That's emotional character stuff But it's like yes But that is an event that took place That means that that's what it is Like Ellie How the fuck did you get past all these guys And secondly We all just nearly died Getting back to you Because you ran off Because you're having a temper tantrum That is fucked up And I think like He even brings that up And she's like Oh I guess we both disappointed in each other And it's like Okay And the fact that they're even there Not many bandits I don't have to deal with Ellie doing that On a whim And causing that amount of danger And you know trouble And then Them coming back And this change makes it so well that's gone Like I said the The rebar going through him When I show the clip You'll see how intense it is And the amount of blood loss Wow look at all that blood Look at it Oh my goodness there's so much Look at how much blood there is My good And of course That's when he's been stabbed And then he gets yanked off The rebar Which is gonna tear that wound even more I'm just saying I love the last of us All right But I think even when I was streaming it I was like I don't know if you would have survived this But okie dokie While in this show The woody's got I can very easily believe That he can be patched up I can believe he can survive through that Yeah He'll need to rest a bit And this is kind of what I'm getting at In terms of improvements There are definitely flaws And definitely changes That we've highlighted before as well That are bad I just hope people can accept That there are at least I feel like that one's categorical In terms of an improvement But have you considered an argument That I'm not aware of But you might find Well of course We'll have a comment showcase next time And see if people have other ideas About what was taken away Slash added Through this episode But I was quite happy with this one as well I think five is still my fave But I really like this one Yeah this one I don't think this one's top and five But that's ok It's just laying down More groundwork for It feels like again We're being very deliberate In terms of laying down the groundwork For the choice that Joel's going to be making In the finale As you mentioned earlier In the whole thing of like Just the perception of Jackson Versus what Jackson actually is Based on the accounts of the old couple Feels like that I think you even signaled it It's like ooh It's like yeah It's an interesting one About the nature of perspective Which is going to be relevant In terms of Joel's choice It just makes me a little bit less terrified About what's going to happen In the finale I think I think it's going to be hard for them To fuck up the flashback episode And then they have a really great blueprint For the Cannibal episode And it's all down We said it's all down to that last one I feel like the rest of it Is pretty easy sailing for them Yeah and it may well be That the finale makes or breaks it But I guess I get the impression That it's been thought through And you look back And this is something That you really do have to consider Now I've been made aware Of a lot what's going on with Picard For those who don't know For those who are completely unaware Picard season one and two Are horrible stains on existence And Picard season three Looks like From the very mouth of Gary From NerdRotic From Drinker From Robert Meyer Burnett From Dave Cullen From several others That the new season is actually good That it's worth seeing Which sounds insane right Like imagine you had a trilogy From the offices of Disney And someone said Well the Rise of Skywalker is actually excellent You'd be like What? For real? Like how? Just how? You're following on from continuity But they've seen I think I'm not sure if all four of them have But the four of them have seen a lot Of the season While there's only one episode out I've seen a lot of people Sort of reviewing episode one And saying like I'm out Because they clearly haven't changed X, Y, Z They clearly haven't led to this, this, that They've done this, this, this And it's interesting Because I happen to know A couple of things that are going to happen And a couple of things that people are like Oh, they haven't done this So I'm out And it's like oh Give them, give them Hang on Patience And I think it was either episode three or four Coverage where I was like Fuck it Hang on Let this season do whatever the hell it's gonna do I don't mean that with the last of us now Isn't it interesting to look back After seeing this much And to be like You know Joel and Ellie don't have enough time together You'd be like No they do Especially after these three episodes And then it's like uh You know Frank and Bill They had way too much focus And it's like in retrospect it's like The longer the season goes on The less amount of time They'll have taken up in the season Relatively speaking And like when you take it as a package I know you watch them episodes by episode So you're only gonna have these opinions right And it's like well then You're gonna have to acknowledge Once you watch it as a whole thing And revise it as a Yeah it's gonna have to be revised When you say you've only seen three episodes And thus a whole third of the show Being devoted to two characters Aren't the main ones as a problem It's like I guess it would be Under those very specific filters But you know we were never gonna see them again I think like we spent time with um Bill And like we spent time with Henry and Sam We're probably gonna get a bit of time With like David and his gang Yes Um And probably Marlene and the fireflies This is where I mean I am This let's just put it this way This episode didn't surprise me Other than the um The change with that conversation with Tommy right But a lot of it doesn't surprise me But I'm I'm willing I'm expecting surprises When we get to uh The Cannibal episode and the last one In terms of like Every single line is gonna be so important We'll get there when we get there I guess How long now until the show is just over Is it three weeks Well it'll be three weeks yeah Yeah Three episodes three weeks Been a fun ride That's right I hope it doesn't end with me saying Well I don't recommend this I hope not I hope not But so far so good It's something that if they manage to maintain it To this level by the time we hit the end I would happily recommend it to a lot of people Um it's a good way to consume the story of the last of us If you're not into playing games at all But hey maybe this will usher in the death Of the superheroes dominating everything It's the era of the video game adaptation Thoughtin with something like this Moving on with years of war God of war Tomb Raider Get us that Dead Space TV show do it It would be really good Lots of stuff you could do with it In any case That's episode six Thanks for watching folks Yeah we're getting there And we will see you next time Yeah see you later everybody Bye bye Bye bye Hello and welcome The last of us Episode seven Out of nine We got so close We got so close Is that something they confirmed That there was originally 10 And they squished two into one Was that something that I don't know Some shows now like to do that It used to be that they were 13 episodes Then it got to 10 And now some people do like Eight or nine Back in my day Back in my day It was like 22 episodes a season Oh the good old days And it's funny because there would be More what people call filler But the fact is If it was good filler It would add to the connections All the characters have Well I guess what happened was that HBO and stuff was kind of like And British shows I suppose to some extent Kind of set the idea on people's minds Of like less episodes means better Which is kind of a logical thing Right it's like well You're not stretched to stay More concentrated You have more time for episode Yeah more concentrated But thanks to a lot of these Bad Disney and Marvel shows Less episodes are starting to feel Correlated with the worst quality For some reason Well yeah there's loads of filler This is kind of funny I went straight to talking about filler Which kind of implies you're right About like the perception of it all When there are shows we've watched That are 22 per season That have way more plot Way more quality Oh well Oh yeah I believe I read that the premiere episode Was originally split into two And then HBO told them to Combine them into one Because they were afraid not enough People would stick around after Where the first episode was originally Supposed to end Right They wanted to get Put in more Joe Lanelli Joe Lanelli Yeah Yeah They wanted to get them going On their journey like outside the zone For the end of the premiere As far as I know The numbers have gone up With the more of the shows come out It'll be really curious to see The conversation again About the big decision Joe's Going to make at the end Be it now in TV format Obviously pending Exactly what changes they may or may not make Still be quite interesting Potentially I believe before we even talk about Preamble for what this episode may be We should probably do a wonderful Our epic Comment showcase Comment showcase Here it is Is that the right theme tune? John did it John got it It's all right We made it It's a great theme tune It's very catchy Oh wait Showcase We did it Here we go Regarding the rule of the clickers I guess the eFap crew are not aware that in both games The clickers you can use echolocation When they click Meaning even if you're completely still and silent If the clicker faces your direction and starts clicking It immediately detects you Or well Takes three seconds to find you If you're in 10 or so meters away If a child clicker is looking at Kathleen And Kathleen's completely silent The child clicker will attack Kathleen By the logic of the game That is something we didn't mention at all Which is kind of bizarre to me Because we all know this Or at least I'm pretty sure me, John and Fringy Would definitely know this Having played the game so much We just never used the word echolocation at all When we're talking about it I don't know why I could have sworn we've talked about this in earlier episodes Like episode one or two I thought that we had mentioned it Yes The whole thing with the clickers is that their eyes Are covered by the cordyceps And consequently they need to use echolocation In order to find enemies The obvious thing In the game being that You know when they each fill a different slot The runners can see you So you have to worry about line of sight With the clickers it's much more about Yeah they're yeah Clickers are a lot stronger But with clickers because I can't see It's much more a game of sound Because they even had like the focus mode Where it was about Detecting like how loud you are So you need to like sneak and sort of crouch Walk around the place And it means that yeah Like if clickers see you Like if you're in the line of sight You might be okay If you're moving slowly enough And quietly enough But it's true I don't know why we didn't mention it It's just another reason why It's alright That that clicker attacks Kathleen Okay Yeah Yeah Yet another reason There you go Mention now I find it funny Haha How the show glosses over the fact that Tommy going radio silent Thanks to his wife is what drove Joel To go on the journey in the first place Dude created a domino effect That got tests killed And loads of other people killed Was the goal with the initial car parts To get a car to get to Tommy Was that the idea? So in terms of trying to figure out the timeline I think it was I think so Yeah In which case yes I think that the episode had a job to do And it didn't which was address The fact that he went radio silent on someone Who desperately relies on it And will take drastic action When he doesn't hear from him And the reason seems to be We stay radio silent to avoid attracting anyone here It's like that's great and everything But I'm your brother And you owe me more than that Like the that didn't happen I don't think But there had to be some other option At Tommy's disposal to uh I guess If not he needs to have that moment Where he's like I'm fucking I'm sorry I'm just like Yeah It'd be worth all to have it And I guess it's this comment I think this comment overplays How much of that is on Tommy Um it would be cool to have that Be said to him And see what he says back Sort of thing though at least Right Because he probably would be like Well how how can you put that on me Like how could I possibly know about all of this Well yeah and um Part of what happens in the episode Is that Joel talks about how it's like It's why you left me isn't it Which is I guess how he now sees the radio situation Not one of like negligence But one of like I This is my chance to get yeah abandoned Yeah It's half and half for me I think it would have been cooler To maybe have it be a bit more of it Be like uh you know I searched for you I did everything to find you Then he's like I didn't ask you for anything Or something like that You know Well it's some drama It's a role for drama So worthwhile Alrighty Fringy Fringy Tommy says I have to do this For the greater good Because he believes in the cause of the fireflies In the game Tommy sees how concerned Joel is For Ellie's safety After the attack on the den And suddenly understands what Joel meant By saying Tommy I need this He needs his brother to save him From the possibility of reliving Sarah's death If something was to happen to Ellie Yeah but I'm pretty sure we talked about this in prior episodes I know what the game is doing I think they're trying to imply that you Made it seem as though Tommy's like 90% of his motivation Is for the greater good As opposed to other more personal motivations Okay well so to clarify Because I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before The whole big relevant part with the Henry and Sam plot In the game Is that that is like the moment that kind of reinforces In Joel's mind I need to offload Ellie Like I don't want to be dealing with this anymore It just gives him more of a thrust to be like Well Tommy you knew the fireflies You were connected to all of that You can do it I mean obviously there is that whole notion that Tommy Is you know concerned about Joel and everything Right because yeah in the scene that plays out When he sees that I think Tommy says God damn it like I need to talk to you Maria And then they have the big argument and then they go off So yeah in the game it is definitely more than Just because he believes in the cause of the fireflies But I still say that statement bears out true right He says I have to do this for the greater good Like that is part of why he said it Yeah I think I would concede it's the primary It seems to be anyway I think it is the main one Because there's the connection to the fireflies While in the show Of course there was much more about the personal connection The fireflies are not very relevant at all Which I think I would guess was the point That I was trying to get at Am I doing Chad here or the Well actually kind of voice Why don't you just switch between them But it won't matter what the comet is before we read it Don't know why they made Tommy a father Why would you want to go on a mission With a kid on the way He was willing to do it And he is going to go on an even more dangerous one In season two Ellie provides the possibility to cure the infection So helping her is helping his kid in the long run That's exactly it They will add more depth to his character Because leaving Maria and his kid Both would be an even bigger decision That he will have to make Plus seeing Ellie kill a pregnant Mel And seeing a pregnant Dina Would be an even bigger psychological hit for him Well I have not thought of those things So that is interesting The first thing we say when they show that happen is We comment on like potential story potency And that's what that decision is They've done that Because it's going to create more layers Moving forward And so the only problem you might think it highlights is Well then why would he go anywhere He's got to protect his wife and kid right And it's easy justifications You just have to have the character believe That this is going to be the most beneficial decision To his wife and kid Yep People have gone on dangerous missions And done dangerous things And have fought for dangerous causes If they even if they have kids Or have kids on their way Joel wants him to go Is that he believes that he can handle This sort of back and forth mission to where he's going While Joel's not sure he can And there's a lot of reasons to believe that One psychologically But there's also just He knows the terrain Like he knows the area I do find it a bit of a shame That they cut the escape So short after Joel gets stabbed Versus the game With how close Ellie comes to dying A couple of times during the sequence in the game It's basically show Joel's worst fears Almost playing out right in front of him And it would tie well into his actions From here on in her defense Probably the one thing I think that was complicated I would have liked maybe to have kept somehow Is that I quite like the imagery of him Bleeding out Fading out of consciousness Watching her Narrowly survive an attack Because as I've just said However we'll say We're going to be getting something Pretty strong like this In episode eight I would imagine I think she's fine to fair number of people During that when they're walking back to the horse Whereas obviously the show is much more low Scaled down, yeah For sure Very much scaled down Which probably plays out more logically In a live action show Yeah it can have more of a punch potentially too When you scale certain things down I thought it was common knowledge To never pull out anything that has punctured your body Don't pull out guys More as David Attenborough accent is top notch Also I have no experience or knowledge of this at all But wouldn't pulling the knife Or whatever had stabbed Joel out to make things worse I thought you were meant to leave things in Until there's a safe way to remove them Slash to prevent blood loss It just seems strange to me How he randomly removed the object And then he bleeding suddenly got so much worse Like why would you do that? In the game it obviously made sense Because he was impaled on something But this is so different I prefer the rebar over being stabbed There's an actual reason to take it out He is pinned with it As for the stab in the show He shouldn't have pulled it out It's basic medical aid To not take something out if you can Try and stabilize it say By wrapping it tightly to you To keep it from moving around And leaving it in Gives you a higher chance Of not bleeding out Oh no I got stabbed by a thing I should totally pull this out And let myself bleed like crap Wouldn't that be a smart move? No! No it wouldn't Stop doing this At least in the game He was stuck on something So he had no choice So let's talk about this I was playing atomic heart And I had people back and forth Think a big bunch about this We got some experience maybe On this with rags here About wounds But then there's also our basic knowledge When it comes to these sorts of events The reason we didn't comment on it Apparently is that the four of us Had a similar perspective on this Which was that Joel in shock Pulled something out that he thought Was going to be a lot shallower Than it actually was And you do that in that environment To immediately prevent any possible infection Or at least further infection Than it's already there Because it's an old piece of wood That's stuck in him It's really bad if it gets into your Insides so to speak I don't think Especially judging from his reaction That he thought it was anywhere near as deep As it ended up being It was the snapped-off handle of a wooden bat Right? Yep, that's right Okay, yeah And there's just a really long shard of it That was inside And he didn't think it was Of course, the fact that he didn't Feel it clearly That's the thing, I didn't Adrenaline That's how I took it when I watched it I was like, oh, fuck He, like, obviously he was hoping That was not as bad as it actually was As we sit around watching this In the comfort of our own homes On our chairs, in our houses And we're not pumping, you know Full of adrenaline And we're not stressed out And we're not in intense pain And we have not just killed someone with our hands It's easy to look at someone else And criticize the decisions that they make In those kinds of moments He was obviously in a very stressful situation So him doing that I think it If you survive this long In a post-apocalypse You probably would have come to understand The whole concept of, you know Like leaving something in Because you don't want to bleed out I just think the fact that What it actually happens to you And you're in that situation I think that's a good argument Yeah, I think the whole And you look down and it's I mean, when it's When you look down and it's in you You might not be thinking about that You might think like, oh, shit, this thing's in me I have people fighting over it in chat And one person said The whole fucking point is You're supposed to wait until you're in a safe place Before you yank it out So that you can Bought out the to come blood And then someone else said no The whole fucking point of not pulling it out Is that you can get to hospital Where they can sort you out Because you're already gonna be set for antibiotics They'll take care of it This will does not have that This will doesn't even necessarily have Necessary safe places So just like they're being chased by bandits But him pulling it out Has reason behind it And he's in shock Oh, and what does it look like If you're on a horse that's galloping And you've got a giant chunk of wood stuck in your gut That's another thing that happened So someone in chat said Obviously you shouldn't have pulled it out Because having a wound just open Like that on the horse Is gonna crush an open bubble And then someone said How is it better with the wood in That he's on the horse Yeah, bouncing up and down While the horse is running I feel like the reality is There are no great choices here It's not what to do All the question is Can you believe he would make that decision In that moment of my answers? Yes, I don't really have a problem Absolutely, I could Yeah If you're in a situation like that And you're with him And he pulls that out And you got to get on that horse You want to be holding something And putting a lot of pressure on there And you want to keep that You know, kind of still And you want to make sure That you can kind of Sort of seal it back up as best as you can You don't want it to just Have blood flowing everywhere Because that's not good And yeah, I still think it's I'm sorry, it's just Even if we counted this strictly As a flaw that he pulled it out I would still count it better As the game Because the game When he just should have been dead Just throwing this comment Into the wild Because A Haven't seen a comment Bringing it up B I'm curious And would like to explore And dive deep And C Why not? At 3340 Where the dog is sniffing out For infection It gives Ellie the pass Mahler and rags briefly infer That it's because of her immunity I think it is a reasonable interpretation to make Ellie's immunity From what I understand Is rare and special So there may be effects We don't know about Having said that Does it seem convenient or lucky That her immunity has this effect? There might even be an argument That it is plot armor On top of that The system the posse uses To search for infected Seems a bit contrived as well They have guns And they clearly don't mind Using up their bullets Or making noise Since the guy says Quote Last chance for a bullet Why not order the duo To strip to check for bites I think the series may have ended If that happened Perhaps this moment with the dog Was meant to set up part Of the later emotional conversation Between Joel and Tommy Where Joel feared Ellie Would be ripped up However I do wonder If it was worth the cost Of having the dog Is there a way to write the scene Where the tension Could still be present But still have something more logical Than a dog search I don't really take any issue with it I don't have any issue with it at all So we know that the time it takes Between getting bit And someone turning into an infected Is at the most Like if they get bit on like the ankle or something It's gonna be like what 12 hours Pretty quick So the Something like that Yeah, that noise is gonna be a day Probably not There's not gonna be a lot of time It's a very quick onset For this kind of an infection If they have a dog who's doing it Dogs are really good At this sort of thing And if they have a dog who's doing it Then they have experience doing this in the past And they believe the dog to be pretty accurate And it's shown itself to be pretty accurate And I think it's a matter of what it's actually smelling It's probably smelling the wound itself When it's smelling people Because again It's not like this is a long process If you've been bit by it The bite and the wound leave some kind of a An odor that's on the outside of the body Because of you know the bite And that's what the dog is probably smelling But Ellie's wounds have been healed for months And I don't think that the presence of this Whatever it is in the blood We don't have any reason to think that it's Perceptively different to you know Regular blood Especially when it's inside of her Maybe if Ellie had big open wounds But you know even then I doubt it Because the wounds wouldn't be like Infection bites or anything really here Pretty sure the commentary even says like Well yeah I mean you know It's science fiction right Like whatever the immunity is It may just manifest in a way That means that she's immune from The dog noticing I suppose it really is the question of Is it that unreasonable or ridiculous That they would use a dog to search I don't think it's unreasonable I mean would you use a dog now right If it works And even compared to stripping them Like I would rather use the dog The dog is pretty cool Yeah I feel like the dog is better The dog can just instantly Especially if it has a reliable track record I mean we use dogs now right To search for things Yeah we do Not pretty good And it truly is Up to the writer It is a bit of a winner It's truly up to the writer Whether or not dogs can sense it in Things slash Whether or not the dogs are even immune to the The virus they've obviously chosen One of two options on both of those And then we look at what we got Which is that we got the tension with Joel Being really you know Scared about what was gonna happen To then feed into the scene with Tommy One scene I dislike in this episode Is with the sniffing doggo If Ellie has traces of virus left From fighting off infected Why did it get super friendly Conversely if she isn't a carrier Why did it approach her so much more antagonistically Than Joel I get it That's how the show creates dispels Tension but doesn't make much sense To me within the show Well you can easily headcanon The dog thought it smelled something Maybe But then didn't Maybe it could have just been Just that's how the dog was feeling In that moment With no real clue The dog made its choice That you know she was cool And we don't know what the traces of this virus Would if at all smell like Yeah I mean I can't see this being contradictory It's just some choices made to have the scene Get a bit more tension That doesn't contradict anything I like in the scene where Joel is teaching Ellie How to shoot His main critique is that she keeps flinching Then when he takes the gun and shoots the dummy He doesn't flinch But she still does Even though she's not the one with the gun To show that Yeah she is flinching And Joel does know what he's talking about It shows his experience with the weapon That he can recognize someone else's shortcomings With it and try to teach them Knowing how to do something And then knowing how to do it so well That you can teach it to others Around two totally different levels I just thought that was neat There's a couple of neat things that happen in relation to that on the show Also a couple flaws here and there But hey, you point them out where you can Speaking of fun fact Around the time Joel and Ellie crossed the bridge in this episode It is possible to spot the filming crew in the corner Really? I double-checked Unless this is true I figured you would The big wide shot where they're heading across the bridge Oh yeah, wow, look at that Yeah, right, see that? Look at that, there they are They're right down there There's that bottom left there Just a big crowd of people It's like, oh that's all good All right Hey, Joel and Ellie, look, survival It's a bird's-eye view, right?  Or what are we doing?  Like I could totally see that happening It'd be really fun Well, I do largely agree with you guys As analysis of the series It does feel like you guys have given Way more grace to projects You want to be good And much more critical life of things You want to suck What do you mean want to be good and want to suck? That's not a thing for us We take everything as it comes We want everything to be good So yeah, ideally if everything could that be nice But I'm pretty sure you guys can just look At the way we talked about this show Before it came out We were not that optimistic No, we shout on it quite a bit And we were through memes about The Last Miss 2 We were actually quite optimistic honestly About what the show was going to be But I feel like at this point It's basically won us over By being pretty consistently quality I will never stop referencing How in Batwoman The second they gave us a good scene We all shut the fuck up and then praised it Yes, that's right The scene with Luke and that guy Yeah, I have referenced it before and again Like how do you think that happens If all we're looking to do is clown on a show The goal is not to be bad faith In that coverage Like ever Yeah, like we want good stuff I don't like these sorts of observations Of like, oh, you guys are just giving this one So much leeway It's like, man, I really don't feel like That's the case Make better arguments That's all I'm going to keep saying back to this Well, make some arguments Make an argument at all I think is what I want Instead of just saying it Yeah, because obviously all we have to say In response is, oh, no you I think that you guys go way too harsh On things you don't like And you're way nicer to things you do like In, you know, opposite to us, I guess I wondered this about Batwoman And the Resident Evil movies You don't need to wonder about those You're okay I guess the thing is that Batwoman's an interesting one Because it's like So when you go to watch Batwoman You know it's going to suck, right? It's like, yeah We're 99.9% confident And yet we still point out If we think it's doing good at anything Yeah, because they have that one good scene That's right One good scene in two seasons I think they've had instances of acting In moments where we've been like Oh, that looked okay You know, like choreography maybe But most of the time, yes Yeah, because obviously we expect it to be bad And we expect that that badness is going to be really funny And worthwhile to point out and observe But I mean, if a good scene shows up If something is commendable Then it ought to be commended If you feel that way Then you'll have to prove it Provide a similar point that they let pass In things they like But to the opposite In things they don't like The Last of Us 2 versus God of War Ragnarok When they talk about how the games Emotionally manipulate you Using the death of a dog So I'm hoping that the commenter is pointing out It's like, that's an example The problem is it's like Am I meant to read that as a thing Where we let it pass and Ragnarok But criticize it in the last of us two Yes, 100% I think the point there Is that if you have a bias in favor Of God of War Ragnarok And so they allowed a manipulative set We did, Fringy We talked about it for so fucking long We talked about our coverage And we talked about it in response to the Synthetic Man video Who made the same point about The Last of Us We got to speedrun it a little bit Because this is the thing It's our job We got to explain this stuff People apparently didn't understand So we got to do it again The purpose in The Last of Us 2 And how killing a dog Was supposed to achieve something In terms of writing It's like, what happened?    Continuity?   Do you remember the controversy over that too?    The effort I don't know, I feel like it's still in the bias of you Like I don't know what to say Like you just don't recognize What these are I'd say that first and foremost Like you should be able to look at basically anything Including things that suck And try to be able to like Present good faith understanding Of what the objectives you can gleam From like what's happening in a scene And then to explain you know Why you don't think it works Or anything like that I feel like that needs to apply here What are they trying to do here Beyond just make me feel sad Even to downplay Like making you feel sad Like it's valid to try and extract Some emotions from you as a player or a viewer Yeah, I don't know Like that's kind of hilarious That would even be sad We talked about this in the stream This is what I'm saying It's annoying but acceptable When someone says I think that scene sucked Explain to me why it's more meaningful Than I think it is Like okay But to do it after we've explained this Twice Come on And to them not only bring To bring it up and say Ah see this is an example of EFAP's biases Because they like God of War Ragnarok So Why do you think we like it Yeah I know it's Well it's just like I don't know what's the difference Between letting it slide And having a reason for it Like in your In your view Watching the comment section Slowly turned against the panel with each episode Has been an interesting experience I would say as someone who keeps an eye on the comments It's been flowing in all different directions at all times They have ignored Many things They would have otherwise called out And have called out in many different shows Such as They've been so effing effusive In their praise for the show That when Molly said he still prefers the game Parentheses at the beginning of the video It sounded like a lie Lol Like going on and on About how your hot wife's twin sister Is just to turn around and say But I still prefer you Lalalalalalala sounds disingenuous. So they're unhappy because they don't believe me when I say I prefer the video game. Here's the problem that Mola's going to face. We're talking about the show.  You know, while we're going through the show, we're watching the show. But watch my stream on the last of us. I'll tell you everything I like about it in there. I feel like it's so obvious. We're talking about the show. We're not talking about the game as much right now. So like Mola can't lay out all of the arguments like from beginning to end of the reasons why he prefers the game to the show at any given moment. I have a preference for the Joel with a tougher wall that's being broken down. Instead of him being his wall is softer to begin with. I prefer it being harder to begin with. Again, that's just a preference. There's not I don't think it makes a character better or worse. I prefer Joel and Ellie's performance in the game to the to the show. The show they've had to sort of convince me while in the in the game. I was into it straight away. So and that I think I could argue more than just a preference. I prefer how the story is paced in the game than the show. I'm fine with the show's pacing. I just think the games is better. I'd have to go into more detail to be able to argue that, but I can't right now. I prefer the amount of time I spend with Ellie and Joel in the game. And the fact that it's a game is kind of the benefit it gets here, which is a little bit unfair, but hey, that's just the reality of mediums. I get to survive as Ellie and Joel in all of the gameplay. And so it like it can almost run subconsciously in my mind that they've spent a lot of time together and been through a lot of things together. And that can help me bind them in my own mind as well. There's things that happen in the show that don't happen in the game. Like I'm pretty sure Joel doesn't barter with one soldier that just so happens to be the one he bumps into that night. I'm pretty sure that's a change that we were against. Joel's like aim bar in episode five. Was it the that's not that's not something any, but everyone pointed that out. I was like, yep, that's not good. Joel like didn't take anywhere near the amount of resources from Frank and bills that everyone was thought to be reasonable. I can't think of many arguments against the fact that he's like you only took the rifle and that was it. Is that really weird? At least that's all I think we you took some tins, but it's just like you think you would have taken more than that. Did they ever try to even distract the clickers in episode two? I think that was something I was I was highlighting as like because you get to do it in the games all the time. It's kind of fun. It just seems like something if you're familiar with clickers which they are, they should know to try throw a anything across the other side of the room sort of thing. It doesn't even get referenced. Um, when Tommy for some reason ditches them in episode one when he really didn't need to right? That's that's that's just a gargling worse change. Yeah, that was I remember that we felt that the scene as a played out with Joel being confronted by the soldier just played out in a way that seemed a little awkward. Then, uh, then it's in the game. Yeah. Yeah, and some place and the slope and everything like it just didn't flow as much. We just talked about earlier how it would have been better to have addressed the the whole like he didn't talk to him on the radio anymore.  Joel didn't take anything in that building, right? When he when it was loads of guns and ammo on the floor and he didn't take any of it.  Like I don't know if necessarily I want to say all of these things, but I don't think these things happen in in the game. Do you remember when they replayed the the the clip of Sarah? Yeah, yeah, that was that was a bit embarrassing. Don't need to do that. Joel didn't take the shotgun that he got off that kid that he killed. It's just because there's so many of these things that have been listed as part of. Yeah, well, there you go. All of those things. I'm pretty sure I either consider to be non-existent or better in the game and then the funny part is I didn't need all those references. I don't think because I've already highlighted the primary draw of this story is those two main characters. And I think the performances and the relationship are superior in the game. I need to see this through to the end to be able to say if I think that definitively. But the thing is I don't think that it's like this wide gap b