Everybody forced here hoping 2023 finest baseball hobby eight box case number eight random teams the results are on your screen you can find the Demo on the website anytime. There's also a link in chat currently So let's quickly bottom of the page From the website. Let's get started. I'm Nicholas. It's up Holsch Look everybody Recap the color of the autos at the end for y'all It's no Andy Dalton one of one or that you see that the other night we pull the Saints Andy Dalton one of one like Laundry tag out of Chronicles the same night Kyle pulled a Baker Rams one of one laundry tag on personal I was like what is happening around here? Those are true one of one cards right there How many other Baker may feel the ram's long as you're gonna pull. Yeah, dude Vaughn's still broken from the other night It's a flubbing the flubber mention. I can't believe next time breaking with Donnie I'm putting flubber on the thumbnail Spencer steer.  I'm gonna find some odds on it. 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Welcome to this special Zoom event coming to you from the A&U Meet the Author series and organised by the wonderful Colin Steele. Thanks for all you do for our great city, Colin. I'm Alex Sloan and grateful to be broadcasting you from Canberra, not a whole country, a country that was never ceded. And I'd like to acknowledge Indigenous people past and present and thank them for their ongoing custodianship of this land. It really is my pleasure to be speaking with fellow Canberra and writer and social researcher Hugh McKay about not just one, but two books, one a novel and one nonfiction. They're not written as a pair, but deliciously they have some crossover themes, particularly that question, who am I? What am I and what makes me? The nonfiction book The Inner Self is a book about the way we hide from the truth about ourselves both as individuals and as human beings, and it describes the psychological freedom of knowing who we really are and argues, Hugh beautifully argues that our capacity for love is the very essence of our humanity. In the novel A Question of Love, which is actually Hugh's eighth novel, it's what he calls a real book. This novel explores the state of a marriage between Richard and architect and Freya a violinist. And in some ways it's like a case study of some of the themes which Hugh has explored in The Inner Self, things like denial, projection, guilt, ambition, inhibitions. And it has a really unusual structure, adapting the musical theme and variations format to the written word. Hugh is a choral singer and he has very much looked to Bach's variations for this novel, which I think is a great beautiful thing to do a work of art. Hugh, OK, a joy to be speaking to you. And to you, Alex, thank you very much. Congratulations on both these books. As I said, they're not written as a pair. No, it's not written as a pair. In fact, the novel was drafted about four years ago, but because of the unusual structure which I was determined to get right, it took quite a long time to get it right. And by the time I was happy with it, I was on the brink of starting work on The Nonfiction, The Inner Self. And my rather astute publisher said, hang on, these two kind of fit together. Why don't we hold the novel back and bring it out at the same time as The Nonfiction, because it is a bit like a case study of a couple who are both hiding from themselves and from each other in some ways. So they literally came out on the same day, which was a brave decision, I hope, not courageous in the yes, minister. No, because in the novel, you go back again and again on the variations of a husband coming home, so the rich should come home to Freya's back. And you get the perspectives from both of them, from both Richard and Freya, which, I guess, what happens in any relationship. Yes, yes, and with each homecoming, with each variation on the theme, the idea is that we peel away a few more layers of the relationship and of the individuals, particularly Richard, who is the one who's more hidden at the beginning, and I hope less hidden by the end. But it's a bit like jazz. I mean, a jazz musician establishes the theme and then goes off into all these improvisations and then restates the theme at the end. So in fact, the last chapter of the book is almost identical, spot the difference, almost identical to the first chapter. But I hope by the time a reader gets to the last chapter, they're reading it in a completely different way because now they've got insights into both these individuals, some of their family, their professional lives and their relationship. I think you've really nailed it. It's really clever. I'll come back to it, but let's begin with go to the nonfiction, which is the inner self, the joy of discovering who we really are. You say you started writing this after writing the novel. Was there a catalyst for this nonfiction work? I'm not sure whether it's a catalyst. I mean, as usual with these things, it evolves in discussions that go on with my publisher, Ingrid Olson, continuously about other things that might be written. But I think maybe the catalyst was age. I think, I mean, I'm at the end of my active career as a social researcher and I've spent all my working life trying to understand and interpret and explain what's been going on in Australian society for very interesting 50 years of Australian society. But it's all been about society, external reality, identity in the sense of the outer shell that we show to each other. And I guess I felt before I was finished, I wanted to get right back to my core discipline of psychology and say, well, all that external stuff is true when people talk about their personal identity. It's true to say that that's an external construct that you can't discover your identity from looking inside yourself. Identity, as the word implies, is all about how we identify each other, how we tell the difference between Alex and Hugh. There are all kinds of ways of telling that, but our identity is about difference. And I thought, well, now what happens when we get to a point, which many people do around the middle of their lives, I mean, the classic midlife crisis is often about this very thing, of realising that how we appear to each other, that the kind of superficial differences between us, the external visible differences, conceal something else, that there is an inner sense of who I am, which is not always or easily revealed to other people and it doesn't always line up and this is what the middle half crisis is all about. It doesn't line up with my appearance. What was it all for? What's it all about? Most of us get to that question quite a few times, but I love it that, in fact, if there was someone that was a catalyst, it was an actor. I so relate to Emma Thompson. She's the same age as me and had a daughter at the same age as me. We both had a daughter at 40. So I so relate to this, but what's the story about Emma Thompson? Well, she's possibly my favourite actor and when she was on the brink of her 60th birthday, so it was a bit later than the normal trigger point for people, although it could be your 80th birthday, but on the brink of her 60th birthday, she suddenly had this sense of who am I really? She said she started taking away all the masks from her face, all the roles that she'd had, mother, wife, actor, public celebrity, all of those things. Take all that away and what are you left with, which led to the question, who am I really? Which she said, and I think many of our audience can probably relate to this, until that point she had always thought it was a boring question. Who am I really? Let's go on a weekend retreat to find ourselves. She didn't have any time for any of that, but suddenly she found it the most riveting question of all because she realised that all those masks she'd been wearing were not the whole story. An important part of the story, I'm not for a moment saying that the external stuff, the identity, the way we distinguish between you and me, is important. Of course, it's critically important in our social lives, but what Emma Thompson was describing, which is what I'm dealing with in the book, was there's something underneath all that, there's something behind all that, something that Robert Berezin, an American psychiatrist, that I've quoted a few times in the book, describes as the authentic being, and he says we all sooner or later have a sense of the authentic being, which is not always, in fact, often not the same as the image of ourselves we project. And as you talked about being 80, Emma Thompson at 60 started to say, actually, I find this question really fascinating. Does it take a milestone or even trauma, pain, retrenchment? Does it take something like that for us to kind of really knuckle down and go, okay, who are we? I mean, there are some young people who come to this because they seem wise beyond their years. You know, there are adolescents, there are young adults in their 20s who are exploring the idea of the self as different from the identity, the external social identity, but more typically, I think it does need a trigger. And that trigger is often a critical birthday. For some people, it's the birth of the first child. For some people it is a life-threatening illness or a relationship breakdown or a retrenchment. I think in 2020, for many people, the trigger has been the pandemic. I think one of the, I mean, the pandemic is a dreadful thing from a health point of view and from an economic point of view, but we can see that the upside is many of us have been forced into a position where a bit of introspection was about all we had left to do. An opportunity to do what we might not have done yet, which was use some of this time to reflect on what really matters to me, what's important, what kind of person do I really want to become and who is the real me? What's important, particularly, and I suppose the questions coming out of COVID-19 will be, what do we want the world to be? We are throwing up great big things. In the end, it doesn't matter how much money or how much fame, we're all having to stay at home and pull together, we hope, to get through this. I think it's probably come back to that we're a biological unit on this living planet. Maybe we start to think about that. That edges us very close to the core message of the book, in fact, Alex, because, yes, the coronavirus does not distinguish between the young and the old, the rich, the poor, the Buddhists, the Hindus, I mean, a pandemic. Yes, any disease is a reminder of the fact that we are a single species. Certainly, it affects different people in different ways, but invading us, there's no selection process that coronavirus is not triaging us and saying, oh, Alex looks like a juicy specimen to invade, not at all. It's humans. And that's the beginning of a serious realization about what it means to be me, what the inner self is about, when we go deeply into ourselves we discover something that seems a bit like a paradox that we discover something that is actually not unique like our externally constructed identity, but we discover our common humanity. We get this blinding insight. I think of it as our personal moment of enlightenment when it dawns on us that we are indivisibly part of a particular species with particular characteristics. You've chosen a quote from Danish philosopher Sorin Kierkegaard at the front of your book, Hugh. And the quote is, the deepest form of despair is to choose to be another than oneself. Yes, yes. Yes, I love that quote. Because I think many of us, until we come to this moment of enlightenment, this moment of insight about who we really are, do live with a peculiar kind of despair that was his word, it's a kind of despair that arises from being inauthentic. And I don't think until we come to a deeper understanding of the inner self, I don't think we understand where that despair comes from, which is why people often say, and I feel vaguely restless, and I feel there must be more to life than this. I don't know, I'm just out of sorts. I feel lethargic. People say I'm a bit hard to get to know my partner seems irritated with me a lot of the time. We don't understand where this comes from, but I think where it does come from is that we are not being authentically ourselves and other people pick that up. So this, and in this book, you then talk about the top 20 hiding places. Explain what these are. Yes, yes. I said when we go deeply inside ourselves and discover that we are essentially human, that we're part of a species, that's the biggest single, and I think the most inspiring truth about us as well. And I said that's not unique. But what is unique is how we respond to even a half-formed sense of that truth about ourselves. Now, in order to explain that, I need to take one step back. When you look at what it means to be human, what it means to belong to a social species, which is what humans are, where we're hopeless in isolation, we absolutely need families, neighbourhoods, groups, communities, workplace, colleagues, choirs, football teams. We are naturally sociable. That's our nature. Not all the time, we need solitude and isolation as well, but our character as a species is that we're social. And so our health, including our mental health, depends upon belonging to groups, communities, neighbourhoods, et cetera, that are functioning. How do they function? They function when enough of us understand that it's our duty as humans to promote social harmony. And how do we promote social harmony? There's a long answer to your question. Sorry, Alec. How do we promote social harmony? Well, we do it by treating each other always and without exception, kindly and respectfully, because we are fellow humans, because we are all part of this one thing called humanity. But that's a very demanding responsibility that's laid on us for being human. I'm born to love. I'm born to be compassionate. I'm born to be kind to you, whether I like you or not, whether I agree with your politics or not. You and I are in this together. We're humans. We're part of the same community. We've got to treat each other with the respect and the kindness, the compassion that's due to us. Now, of course, we find that sometimes we really need demand. So it's not surprising that we hide from it. And we find all kinds of clever ways of ducking our responsibility to be compassionate. In the book, I use the metaphor of a kind of personal solar system, where I say, think of yourself as being like a solar system. The sun at your center is love, is your capacity for compassion, your capacity to show this kind of kindness towards other people. And you have planets revolving around that sun, which are your distinct characteristics. And because they're rotating like real planets, our metaphorical planets are constantly providing the dark side as they rotate in and out of the light. Or if you want to put it more simply, any light cast shadows, including our capacity for love, which is the light at the center of our lives. So there are plenty of shadows on offer when we decide that we don't want to be kind. In fact, we feel quite indifferent towards something.  We don't want to be selfless because at this moment, we've got some ambition that we want to satisfy. Don't want to treat this person with respect because I feel contempt towards them. All those things are very human responses, but they all deny our true nature. So in the book, I've listed what I'd rather trickily called the Top 20. I'm sure some readers will say, well, I could give you another 20, mate. But these are my Top 20, reflecting on all the people I've ever known and all the hiding I've ever done and watched other people do. But they are places where... And some of them seem like a strange thing to call a hiding place because some of them we get praised for. And some of them, of course, are not hiding places. Some people use busyness as a hiding place, but some people are just busy and there's nothing they can do about it. They wish they weren't so busy. There's no hiding place for them. Yeah, the busy one is great. It's a bit of a mantra in Australia. How are you going, busy? It's a pat on the back. If you're busy, you've got meaning. It's become a badge we wear. The switch is on or off.  But that's a classic example of... When you're busy, if you're using busyness as a hiding place, it's a very clever hiding place because people won't criticise you for being busy. They'll praise you for being busy. Don't disturb daddy. He's busy. Oh, I couldn't come to that. I'm busy. He's busy. I couldn't respond to your email immediately. I was a bit busy. Well, that's a great way to absolve ourselves of the responsibility from looking inside and seeing whether this is the authentic me or whether my busyness is a hiding place not just from my authentic self, but from other people around me. It's a great insulator. It's a great barrier to social cohesion. I've been thinking about this queue and I thought, yes, that the busy one is something. And if you do the barbecue test, you say you're busy. But if someone came back and went...  So if I came back to the person and said, well, actually, I'm fighting addiction with alcohol. And I then went into a long kind of description of my addiction to alcohol. Whether or not my fellow Australian or fellow human being wants to hear that, that's the other thing. Do they really want us out of our hiding places? You've just gone on mute, thank you for a minute. No, they don't want to hear it, but we need to hear it ourselves. No one else wants to know about your hiding places, Alex. I was going to list them all off. This is private information. I've written to my smartphone here. It's a secret between you and your inner self. Although when I say no one wants to know about it, of course, our nearest and dearest often do know this about us. There are plenty of close relationships, partners, friends, colleagues, where people know that we're hiding. They're probably not prepared to say to us, I think you're hiding from yourself, but often other people pick it up even before we do and they understand that we're using some of these strategies like relentless ambition or an addiction or our busyness or our devotion to work or our nostalgia or our materialism. All of these are classic hiding places and it is sometimes obvious to other people that there's something a bit neurotic about this, but I'm actually, you know, I'm so nostalgic I seem to prefer the past to the present. So what am I hiding from? Well, the answer, of course, in that case, I think nostalgia is one of the slipperyest of the hiding places. The answer in that case is I'm probably hiding from the uncomfortable knowledge that I'm not truly myself now and I think that I preferred the self I used to be back in that era that I pretend to prefer the fifties. How wonderful were the fifties? I was there. Great, great, great time for women and little of colour. Time for domestic violence, crime, both fatalities, yeah, oh yes. I got to your hiding place fatalism. It is what it is. And this has been borne out. I mean, President Trump has just said that exact thing when asked, was pressed about their response, the US response to COVID-19. It is what it is. I think I'll scream the next time I hear that, but I won't have to wait long to scream because we're saying it all the time.  Now, sometimes that's a very wise and sensible response to what's happening. If you've been diagnosed with a terminal illness and you know it's just a matter of months, it's very appropriate to say, well, it is what it is. If you've been retrenched, well, it is what it is. But that's only half the story, isn't it? We want to say, we want to hear, it is what it is and here's my response. It is what it is and here's what I'm going to do about it. I fear that it's become such a popular little saying that instead of it being the beginning of a statement about how I'm going to address the situation I'm in, it's just like throwing up your hands in a fatalistic way and say, well, there's nothing I can do about it beyond my control, go with the flow. That's the way it is. And that leads to fatalism, nihilism, and disengagement. I mean, if we lived by the it is what it is philosophy, we wouldn't be much use to the enrichment of our neighbourhood or the enlightenment of our kids or anything else. We'd just be people who shrug and say it is what it is. It's a very dangerous cliche. Another great one is victimhood. And I think particularly in times like this with conspiracy theories really getting around, looking around for someone to blame, they must be the problem. It's a huge one. It's a great discussion in your book. Yes. Well, victimhood is a classic hiding place. Now, again, I have to say it's not always a hiding place. I mean, some people have been so brutally victimised in one way or another that they do actually feel like victims because they are. And the only way for us to respond to them is with compassion and kindness and as much support as we can muster to try and help them heal the wounds. But when people play the victim, in the way that you've just described, when people think it's always someone else's fault, don't blame me. Look at the child.  When people play the victim, what they are doing is hiding from their responsibility to be compassionate, kind, loving people. I mean, victimhood, I think a good way to think about victimhood is an abdication of responsibility. But also, I think, sadly, rather pathetically in a way, it's a sign of something that runs very deep in all of us, which is our desire to be heard, our desire to be noticed, our desire to be taken seriously. That's perhaps the most profound of all the human desires. And the tragedy is that sometimes people feel they're not being taken seriously, they're not being acknowledged or noticed or listened to and only by playing the victim can they get a bit of attention or a bit of sympathy. So sometimes, as with all these hiding places, I mean, this is not a book that attacks people for hiding. It's a book that really reminds us that often other people hiding is something we can do something about that we can help them, ease them out of their hiding place, say, hey, you're hiding, but by reassuring them that we love them as they are, that they can be more authentic, more transparent and we're not going to die of fright. Because you've incorporated your beautiful social research that you've done over many, many years where you've met with people and you've heard their stories and you've got the story of Dennis and Sasha and Dennis's smartphone addiction, which did really ring a bell with me, Hugh. I'm afraid. But that is a fantastic one.  Same applies to you. He doesn't like it. He confiscates his phone for a week and it's a dramatic little story which has a very happy ending, I should assure, of potential readers. But of course, that's an example. Social technology has become a classic hiding place because something, when you turn that phone on, and some people, of course, never turn it off, but when you look at that phone, something is always happening.  And he eventually saw the truth of what she was saying. But that is the temptation. When you've got something that's coming at you all the time, there's always something on that screen. There are always more messages and if there aren't more messages, there's something you can scroll through the history of messages or just check what someone's Facebook post would have. It's a place of constant activity and stimulation. And that, of course, is very dangerous when it comes to the inner journey, when it comes to keeping in touch with our inner life because that's a very external kind of activity and can act as a great insulator between us and the inner self. And I suppose, you know, to stay with Dennis's addiction to his phone, the online world social media, and that is where a lot of people turn to to be either comforted and there's a lot of beautiful things that you can get on social media. And then there is the outrage and the anger and the nastiness. Do you not start to despair? You remain quite optimistic, don't you, Hugh, about this time in our history and us realising what we're doing to ourselves? Yes. Yes, I do because I think the history of the humans, well, partly because of what I've been saying about our core quality, the essential human quality, which is compassion because the species needs that in order to survive. So we have a history of bringing ourselves back from the brink of chaos. When it looks as though we've lost our capacity for compassion, we find it again, whether that was due to wars or other terrible things we've done to each other. And I think this madness with information technology and particularly social media and particularly the dark side of social media, the whole trolling phenomenon and so on, I think that's so bad for us that it's eventually going to dawn on us that for us and for our children or our grandchildren, this is a deeply unhealthy expression of the darkness that's in all of us, but it's only there because the light cast the shadow and we better get back into the light. And we usually do, and I think we will again, I think we'll... I mean, there was a time when people thought reading was the work of the day. The printed word was the work of the people burying their nose in a book. They were disconnecting from their families and there was a time when television was regarded as something that was taking us away from our inner life and our relationships. Of course, that was true. There was a time. I was around when that happened, when television entered our lives and everyone went mad about television and invited neighbors in to come and watch I Love Lucy, et cetera. And, you know, television was a kind of magical thing that we worship rather in the way we're now worshiping information technology, but we moved beyond that. Television is now parked in the corner and it flickers away or, you know, we take out of it what we want rather as we take out of the fridge what we want. We don't think isn't the fridge a miracle, but the smartphone is still a miracle, but we'll incorporate it into saying alive in the next generation or two. But I suppose it's giving voice to the ugliest sides of us. You know, the things that would have perhaps been set out of the side of the mouth down at the pub or wherever actually get now sent. There is an example of the wonderful Magda Zhabansky doing the health promotion for, you know, we send our love to people in isolation in Melbourne, you know, if you're talking about how much we'd love to gather together and if you're joining us from Melbourne we're sending our love and we know the death toll there is terrible but the numbers are getting better. But Magda, making a beautiful health ad and then getting the most revolting trolling online, it makes you despair. Well, it makes you despair. Yes, that's that's incredibly, well, it's unkind for a start worse than worse than unkind. It's loathsome, but it's there and it's there because all of us have dark stuff within us. But as you say, the phenomenon of the internet and social media allows us to unleash this anonymously. It must be said on a very large stage. Now that that's bringing out the worst in us, but I think because it is so ugly because it is such a nasty demonstration of the dark stuff that's in all of us, we are eventually as a society going to find a way to control that to encourage people to put all that stuff back on the leash. If that was left uncontrolled life would become intolerable.  So the internet social media has provided us with a place where we can both hide and shout. Now, I don't think that's the way of the future. I don't think the species is going to turn darker as a result of that because that isn't how the species... I mean, if we actually transported all of that into our actual social lives into the way we behave with our colleagues or in a cure at the coffee shop or at the checkout in the supermarket or something, life would become unsustainable. We would descend into chaos and that's not the kind of species we are. So it's a very, very ugly phase we're going through but I think it's a phase. And beautifully, Hugh, you have dipped into many of our great thinkers and philosophers throughout history for this book, The Inner Self. A friend of mine who's studying Foucault at the moment said, oh, are hiding places, is that a Christian concept? Well, not at all. I don't... I mean, I personally came out of the Christian tradition as a kid, as a young adult. I think this is an almost universal. There's a point in which I quote everyone from Marcus Aurelius to Iris Murdoch and Philip Larkin all saying roughly the same thing about the essence of humanity being love and the proposition that the dark side of us, the hiding places, are a response to the demands of love. I mean, that's... it feels like my take on everything I've learned over the years from observing people, from reading, thinking, etc. I don't think it's specifically Christian, although I suppose it's true that every religious tradition is, even though the religions become corrupted by their own institutional power and we know all sorts of horrible things are done in the name of religion. In fact, religion and science are two of the... one are bracketed together, one of the hiding places I mentioned on my list. But more fundamentally, the purpose of religion, the reason why religion has evolved through human history and the role of all the major religions is to promote compassion. That's what they try to do. They try to get us to live better, to live more kindly, more lovingly, etc. So it wouldn't be... the idea that when we hide from love or the demands of love, this can bring out the worst in us would not be any more Christian than it would be Buddhist or Muslim or Hindu. In my novel, and I noticed in an interview you did in the camera times, you go, this is what I call a real book. Which and this is your eighth novel. A question of love. I must say, I think just to put it in perspective, my novels have been comprehensively ignored by the reading couple. Not by me and I notice there's a crossover character in this book that comes from Telling the Dream. Yes. Link on the Hunter makes a return appearance. But why tell me about the importance of a novel for you and the importance of this novel. A question of love. This is the story of the marriage between Richard and Freya that we see looked at again and again and again to finally reveal what's going on. Look, I think this all starts in childhood. I was one of those people for whom books were a hiding place. I always have my nose in a book and that hasn't stopped. And I always preferred reading fiction and as I grew into my early adulthood and since I always felt that to get to the real truth about human nature, to get to understand how it really is for people and to try and explain why people behave the way they behave, even as a student of psychology I would say a psychology textbook will give you a framework for thinking about it but it won't be anything like as revealing as the great novels. Go to literature to find out what makes humans tick. I really believe that which is why I made that somewhat facetious remark in that interview about when my first book was published, a book called Reinventing Australia which was a kind of compendium of a whole lot of my research at that point. Didn't feel like a real book. I didn't feel like a genuine author. I just felt like it was another research report just multiplied up a bit and it wasn't until my first novel was published I thought now I'm actually a writer. But my readers disagree. They think that the nonfiction is what I do. But I have enormous faith in my own fiction. I mean I do take it very seriously and this latest book, The Question of Love, perhaps more seriously than any of its predecessors because this was when I decided I was just, I wasn't there's not going to be no car chasers, no murders, no skydiving. This was going to be a really intimate forensic exploration of what it is actually like when two people are in an intimate relationship. I mean it was kind of like a researcher's dream that I was going to be a fly on the wall in the home of Richard and Freya and I was going to know everything that was going on and of course all my professional life that's what I wished. But I interviewed someone at great length or I've listened to friends and neighbours in a group discussion. We got to the end of the conversation and I walked out and got into my car and driven home and thought that was fantastic but how much more is there? What's the rest of the story? I'm sure in your broadcasting career you must often have felt at the end of an interview but I need two more hours to get my lessons in this. So this book was really my attempt to say okay no holds barred, we're going to get right inside this. And one of the features of it which some readers may find slightly puzzling early on, I hope the point of it becomes clear as we go, is that Richard and Freya rather look as though they wouldn't work. So this was a partnership that would not be very successful. They're so different and he's so creative about so much of himself and his background and the death of his mother and all kinds of things that we only learn as we go along. And that's one of the things I've tried to demonstrate in this novel that no one who isn't actually inside a relationship can understand a relationship. That there are many marriages, partnerships where you say how on earth do they, how come they're still together after 30 years? It's a very improbable thing. And you can read this and say there's a lot of stuff about Richard I'd find too annoying. Why does Freya put up with this? And the answer about human nature and it's to do with the inner self. The answer about human nature is we often put up with all kinds of things because we do love someone. We probably love them and therefore become improbably tolerant. And that's what's so beautiful about this book. I mean he comes home and says every night when he walks in, home is the sailor home from the sea and the Hunter home from the hill. I looked it up and actually I heard Robert Louis Stevenson reading this requiem and I won't give away. I won't give it away here why he says this. But yeah, Freya has no idea why he's saying this. Yes, and that is actually an example of the fact that on one of his homecomings we get inside Freya's head when he's saying this and she's saying to herself don't say it. But I've actually always thought that as I read this book I've always thought that when tragically relationships break up and everyone has an opinion and I've always thought no one knows what's going on between them and it's no business and it's you can never know what's going on in a relationship. So anyway, by the end of the book for reasons we don't need to explore, Freya becomes so sympathetic to this nightly recital that she almost wants to join in. But characteristic of humans again she won't join in because she thinks that might embarrass Richard even at the end when they know so much, we know so much about both of them. There's still this tendency to be restrained and to hold things back. But I do think one of the well, one of the pleasures of writing that novel and I hope one of the pleasures of reading it is that getting such an intimate glimpse into someone else's relationship is very clarifying for our own. You say that underlying all our reasons from ourselves is our reluctance to face the question what will be required of me if I get to the core of who I am. It could be quite devastating once I get there. That's right. I think there are two things that restrain people from the inward journey. That's one of them that, you know, well, you know, when I find out what's going to happen next and of course what's going to happen next is I will realise that I need to become a more compassionate person in my dealings with everyone from a partner to a stranger on a bus. The other thing that inhibits people, I think and I've so often heard people say this that they think they'd rather not know what's inside. They fear the dark stuff as though there would only be dark stuff and as though they hadn't realised that it's only dark because there's light and there's contrast within all of us. But those are the two great inhibitors. Now Q, I think we've got a lot of questions. We've got quite a few questions and I want everyone to get their questions to Q while I'm talking to him and just let me have a look at them. What are the ways to discover your true self? Meditation? Asking others how they see us? Have you got any other suggestions? Yes, meditation is demonstrably a wonderful way of doing it. But I think introspection even without the formal structure of meditation I think running a movie in your head of the day and looking at yourself introspectively and saying now was that me? Did I let myself down? Did I let other people down? Was I less compassionate than I could have been? Just reflecting almost as a daily discipline on that is going to get us very quickly.  Some people seek the advice of a counsellor or a psychotherapist to help them on this process. Have a drink there of good cold camera water. It comes naturally chilled, which we love. Alan Spira has got a couple here. I think what does he mean when he talks of the inner self? Is it just a more virtuous form of ourselves or does it transcend our identities? It certainly transcends our identity. It's interesting that the word virtuous has come up. I wouldn't have said that and yet of course compassion is associated with other virtues. We become courageous. We become tolerant. We become kind etc. Because we are driven by compassion as our core characteristic I certainly think once we are enlightened in the sense that I've been describing it once we have a sense of the inner self we are bound to be nicer people. I mean you can't make this discovery about yourself and easily set it aside. We do sometimes set it aside. Sometimes as with our morality sometimes we know what is the right thing to do but for various reasons we're not going to do it. We're going to do what we want to do which we know is not the right thing to do but it satisfies some other desire. Well it can be like that in being true to ourselves but I think once we've got a glimmer of understanding that the human core quality is compassion it's a bit hard to set it aside because we know what we're doing when we set it aside when we hide from it is we are actually diminishing ourselves we are becoming less truly human. A question from Natalie Hugh how do we resolve the dilemma that our external identities which are often based on the characteristics we share with specific groups sometimes block our ability to identify with all people who share our inner reality as a single human race. Yeah, what a wonderful question that really does go to the heart of the identity problem. I mean we've gone mad over identity it's an overworked thing now we're endlessly agonising about the Australian national identity and we've got identity politics with all kinds of groups wanting to assert their identity and their difference and their need for special treatment and so on. Some of those groups of course do need special treatment I'm not denying that but the obsession with identity masks our common humanity and that I think is the point of the question we can identify so strongly with a group whether a political, ethnic religious, professional or some other group that that seems as though that's who we really are and it's very easy then to think of people not in that group as other, alien, inferior all that sort of stuff go a little deeper recognise that anything to do with our identity even if it is our ethnicity even if it is our gender even if it is our core religious beliefs whatever it is that all the shell that we present to distinguish between us and others and behind it and beneath it there is a deeper human truth that has nothing to do with gender nothing to do with ethnicity I mean if you think of the soul that's a rather mystical way of thinking about this I mean self and soul almost interchangeable terms but it would be crazy to think of soul having a gender or soul having ethnicity we're talking about the essence of the human being and it does transcend a very good word that the questioner used it transcends all of that stuff and takes us to a more universal connection that's very nice here all that rubbish that we go through of gender wars and racism just as you say when it comes to soul a question from Ray which says hi Hugh I love your optimism the dark side of social media attacks and the dark side of humans generally in shouting at each other and holding firm on prejudices do you think we are now seeing the consequences of that unfold in the worst way currently in the United States they are ripping themselves apart we get some of that here too Ray what do you think Hugh yes we are seeing a very nasty example of it in the US but there are other countries around the world where we're also seeing some pretty nasty examples of it and as you say Alex let's not be too enthusiastic about pointing the finger let's acknowledge that in Australian society we've still got a great deal of work to do the dark side is expressed most confidently when it's expressed anonymously and it will be a wonderful thing and techno wiz will be able to develop the answer to this anonymity on the internet will give way to transparency so we'll know who you are and once that happens people will be much less inclined to foment all this hatred and prejudice and lies and rubbish conspiracy theories etc that's dark and our moral and cultural landscape yes America is in a terrible mess and it's not all Donald Trump's fault but lots of countries are in a terrible mess and lots of streets and neighbourhoods in Australia are in a mess though they're in less of a mess now than they were before the pandemic I think a lot of us have rediscovered that the people we live near are a very particular responsibility for our reservoir of compassion when we saw a young 26-year-old woman of colour chased out of Australia but daring to have an opinion which she took down but the story of Gassman is one of our great disgraces it breaks my heart what happened to that beautiful incredibly smart Australian was chased out Amy Chan one other thing about all this hatred and dark stuff one of the favourite human hiding places is projection and projection is where we project stuff in us negative nasty stuff on to other people and a lot of what goes on in the darkness of social media is people projecting blaming others criticising attacking others for things that they half obviously know are in themselves Amy has asked the question the writer Nais Nien once said there are many ways to be free one of them is to transcend reality by imagination as I try to do could novel writing be another example of creating a hiding place for oneself 10 out of 10 Amy of course it could so isn't it good that I write both most of what I write is non-fiction look I'm absolutely prepared to admit that I love getting off into the business of writing fiction it is the work of imagination and to some extent imagination fantasy is an escape from reality but it can also help to clarify reality as long as we remember to come back actually Alan is back asking what your favourite and most influential novels have you got a sort of when you say they reveal you find novels and I agree with you they reveal so much about the human character for me it's a really long list of all the novels of Iris Murdoch all the novels of Anthony Powell all the novels of George Ward most of the novels of Julian Barnes plus some of the some of the greats from the past many of the novels of Charles Dickens I'm sure the case that novels that survive novels that become classics become classics because we see ourselves in the mirror that they hold up to human existence I remember and I think it's actually 25 years since Colin Firth burst and dived into the pond as Mr Darcy but I remember a friend who by the way does not occur in the novel and he dived onto a mattress apparently but anyway I remember a friend going he was a male going I can't watch this this is too emotionally violent for me in terms of pride and prejudice and the kind of observations about human nature and it's true I mean I thought later that's actually you know you can crush it I should have outed the novels of Jane Austen because there's a long, long list Tanya we work we work on a house we work on the garden we work out but it's seen as self-indulgent if we work on our inner cells why is it not given more priority it's a great question it is working on the house working on the garden working on all that stuff that's all identity building it's all about the shell choosing our job choosing our partner choosing what sort of car we'll drive how we'll talk what we'll wear what sort of garden we'll have all identity building and mostly the first half of our lives is devoted to that I don't think that going inside triggered by the sort of thing we were discussing earlier is hard work at all I think once we begin to introspect about what it means to be human about what kind of person I would like to be in the world what I'd like people to say about me after I've gone it's pretty easy to see where that's going to lead us the hard work of course comes in trying to deal with our tendency to hide from that that's the challenge finding the inner self I think is not hard living in a way that's true to it that is the hard work it's work that's typically associated with the second half of life when people get better and better at it it's one reason why there's this famous you curve about life satisfaction which shows generally speaking we reach the point of least life satisfaction around about our 40s and middle years and then it climbs and climbs and climbs by the time you're 80 you're feeling a lot more satisfaction than when you were 40 and I think that's typically to do with the fact that you have paid less attention to the outer shell become more closely in touch with who you are and be more prepared to live as if that is who you are I think this might be the final question and it's from Tanita Hugh, how do we reconcile the tension between finding true to our inner compassionate self and the constant cultural pressure to strive, compete and improve ourselves a pressure that tends to accompany a belief that we are less than and we should and could be hmm well it is a wonderful question to end on and that's that goes right to the core of this point we were just discussing that all the social pressures are about burnishing our outer shell it's all about buy this stuff go on this holiday even write this book do something to distinguish yourself to make your mark to let people identify you at some point and I do think that age is a big factor in this I do think it becomes easier and easier as we move beyond our 40s into our 50s and 60s to say I see through all that stuff I don't have to I'm not going to be charged by the car I drive I'm not going to be I can remember when we got a new kitchen and we expected everyone to think more warmly of us because we had a new kitchen admiring my new kitchen is like admiring me complete nonsense eventually we realise it's nonsense but it does take a long time Carl Jung said up till then it's just research and I think there's some truth in that too Kim McKay of course I'd like to talk to you a lot longer but we know it's hard on zoom and we thank you so much if you've tuned in this evening so what I want you to do is go and buy many many multiple copies of A Question of Love and The Inner Self and you take it instead of wine I'm sorry for people in Melbourne just order it online multiple copies and think this is what I'm going to take when we're finally out of lockdown because it will happen but Hugh congratulations I think you just keep getting better and better actually so I look forward to the next books congratulations thank you very much for hosting this I really appreciate it oh no I value our friendship enormously my thanks to Pam Lurandis for basically bringing this all together and getting Hugh and I on to zoom so thanks so much Pam and to Colin Steele and the ANU for running this event and really contributing to our cultural life in such a big way by talking about The Inner Self our hiding places talking about reading about books I say with great intent go safely and with love look for that love the one we're all capable of the one we're all born to do and don't be frightened of it I think that's my message from Hugh McCay Hugh did you want to sign off in any way no I endorse that 100% one thing I didn't say but perhaps I do need to say as a footnote to that comment Alex is that the sort of compassion that characterizes human beings has actually got nothing to do with emotion we don't have to feel love, affection towards someone in order to treat them kindly and respectfully we do that just because they're humans not because we like them Hugh McCay and the books are called The Inner Self and A Question of Love one novel, one nonfiction you will enjoy them immensely thanks so much everyone enjoy your evening


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A couple of years ago, if you said you were into AI, most people simply roll their eyes and think you're some weird tech freak. Nowadays, chat GPT is a household name, and even your grandma has heard of AI. As data scientists, we're pretty close to AI. It's part of our job. However, the rate of research and funding is going makes it quite hard to keep up. It seems like every week, some big tech companies got a new fancy transform model, which they're claiming trumps their competition. Let's be honest, none of us have time to read several research papers a week. Even if we did, a lot of times the language is quite complex and very difficult to understand, which makes for quite a dry read. In this video, I want to explain the ways I keep up to date with all the latest on-goings in AI as a data scientist. Obviously, everyone has their preferences, but I've found these methods quite frictionless and very easy to get my daily AI dose without being too overwhelmed. The easiest way to keep up with all the latest in AI is to follow some of the big names on Twitter or X. For example, I follow people such as Dimus Asabasis, Andrew Erng, Andrew Kapafi and Sam Altman. Obviously, you don't have to follow all these people, but follow a handful that are the big leaders and you should be up to date with most things going on. If anything big happens in the industry, you best believe these people will probably tweeting about it, so you find it very hard to miss. You can also utilize platforms such as X or Twitter for more educational content. For example, I followed Data Science Fact and it does exactly what it says on the tin. It basically tweets a couple of tweets a day on some interesting things in data science and statistics and it's quite refreshing to log on to an app and learn something new that can be applied in your day job. Many of the big tech companies have tech blogs where they publish work which is a bit more industrial and less research focused and it's also in a more digestible manner. The ones I mainly follow are Spotify, Meta, DeepMind and Airbnb. Obviously, there's many others, but I find these ones have the most applicable blogs to my job and they're also posted most frequently. The one I like the most was DeepMind's AlphaTensor blog. This blog delves into their reinforcement learning algorithm which discovered new ways to multiply matrices. The blog post pretty much covered all the main bits and all the main theory I needed to know. Obviously, it missed some of the fine-grained details but to be honest, I'm not a researcher so I just want to get the main insight how they did the problem, how they solved it and not worry too much about all the intricate mathematical details that the research paper may show. Tech blogs are useful but I don't really tell you what's going on with all the business scandals inside the AI. For that, I really like to use newsletters because they literally deliver the news of AI to you. My go-to newsletter is a rundown AI. You get one newsletter Monday to Friday with two to three of the biggest AI stories happening that day or that week. It takes a maximum of me five minutes to read per day and it really keeps me up to date with everything going on, particularly on that business side, like I said. There are also several other newsletters such as TLDR AI, Morning Tech Broome and The Batch. Obviously, just find one you like and make sure you read it. I find this best to have one newsletter that you read often than having 10 which don't open a tool and simply clog your inbox. YouTube is probably the one of the best sources online for any form of educational or entertainment content that you're after. However, I will recommend four channels to you that in my opinion will cover all your bases from tech tutorials to the breaking news. Like I said, you don't have to follow every single channel. These four suffice. The first one is Two Minute Papers. It basically says where it doesn't attend. It publishes two videos a week which are basically breakdowns of big research papers that were released that week. I really like the animations and it's very clear explanation. The second one is Fireship. Fireship is kind of like a staple in the YouTube tech community and it does videos from tech tutorials to breaking news. What I really like about it is that it throws in a lot of humor in there so it makes for a quite entertaining watch. If you are understanding research papers and all the mathematics and theory behind it, then Neonik killed your channels for you. He breaks down papers and all these new research topics in such a digestible way using old school style or pen and paper. So I definitely recommend if you're looking for a deep dive into journal papers and what they really mean and what the results are really impacting in the industry. And finally, needless to say, most of you have probably heard of this channel and that is Lex Freeman's channel slash podcast. This podcast originally started off as the artificial intelligence podcast, nowadays it's a bit more diverse than it gets on but at as high it's still very much a computer science and tech driven podcast and most of the guests come from that industry. To really learn about all this cutting edge technology, you really need to apply it and one way to do that is take courses. For example, LLMs and GPTs are all the rage right now and I want to learn more about them, particularly the theoretical side and how the algorithm actually generates predictions. To do this I took Andrew Kapafi's neural networks zero to hero course which basically we went from understanding how neural nets work to building our own chat GPT ride the end or GPT transformer. Finally, the last way to keep up the date of all the latest technology and research and arguably the hardest way is to document your learning. It is often said that you only remember 10% of what you read but 95% of what you teach. This is the main reason why I started my blog. It wasn't necessarily to teach others but to become a better data scientist myself and find gaps in my knowledge which I don't know existed. I can't tell you the number of times where I started a blog and I realized I'm missing this bit or I don't understand this bit quite right and then I delve into these small intricacies and small nuances inside these theories to really get a better understanding and that really slenderifies everything I know about data science and see how things hang together. Obviously, like I said, there's quite a lot of effort and more effort than simply reading some tweets but it's by far the most beneficial way of learning and also keeping up to date and being a real expert in the field. Being a data scientist means continual learning so it's very important to stay up to date with all the latest goings on in the industry to ensure that your tech stack is sharp. It's very difficult to keep up with everything but you don't have to. Just being aware of the lay of the land is sufficient and then you can dive deeper into the topics you're interested in. If you enjoyed this video and want to see more videos like this on this channel then make sure you click the like and subscribe button and I'll see you in the next one.


on the world-famous Golden Road. This trip's gonna be a little bit different than some of my trips that you've seen in the past, because I think I'm gonna have a little bit higher level of comfort than I'm used to. I didn't bring the wood floor. I didn't bring my pop-up tent. Didn't bring a lot of that stuff, because I'm gonna be staying inside with running water, heat, and indoor plumbing. Pretty excited about this trip. We are gonna be targeting several different species of fish on several different bodies of water. First and foremost, we're looking for cusk. As you know, if you watch my channel, my favorite fish, and maybe favorite thing to eat, ah, partridge is up there too, rough grouse partridge. But I guess right up there with that would be the cusk, otherwise known as the baby. Targeting some burbats, hopefully I'll be getting my PB burbats, which is around five pounds now. I guess I never really put a scale on one. But I could tell by looking at one what my biggest one is. There are some big ones up here. We will also be fishing for lake trout, otherwise known as togue here in Maine. And Max, I think, has the togue fever, where he's looking for big togue. I know that from talking to him in the past. He's willing to set up for three or four or five days just for one or two flags if it's the right ones. Also fishing for splake, which is the GMO of Maine fisheries. Also fishing for native brook trout. And we might even put a little tear down on the salmon. Chazunkook Lake, otherwise pronounced as uncooked cheese lake has a no limit on salmon under 16 inches. Apparently there's a lot of them in here and they want to try to thin the numbers down. So there's no limit on those. I eat a few salmon a year. They're good eatin'. So maybe I'll keep a couple of those. Ripigenus dam, otherwise pronounced as ripoganus dam or ripoganyus dam, first built in the middle 1800s. I think it was 1853 by the login companies to kind of hold back some water for the log drive so they get these logs down to the mills. Later rebuilt in 1915, 1916 by great Northern paper company at a mill in Ocket, which was one of the largest companies in the world at the time. They built this dam at 704 foot long and 92 foot high. It's the largest dam ever built in the world that is completely privately funded and privately owned. When they built that dam, it created ripogenus lake, otherwise known as ripogenus or rip for short, caribou lake, moose pond. I think it backs all the way up into deer pond. The dam was used for loggin' mostly and the log drives to get the logs down to the great Northern paper company mill and even some down into Bangor, down the Penobscot River, in the shadows of Mount Cattadin, otherwise known as Cattadin. Max and his wife recently purchased the Rip Dam Sporting Camps and have done a pile of work on them and they're getting them set up to house sports like myself for ice fishing, moose hunting, deer hunting, partridge hunting, hiking, and just general exploring up here. Perfect location. It's 35 miles, I think, up the Golden Road from Mill in Ocket. Now the Golden Road, Rip Dam had a sluice way put in for the logs to go down for the log drives and they drove logs over the sluice and that dam till about 1971 when they transferred over to this road that I'm on right now, the Golden Road. And then they stopped driving logs down the river and just started bringing them into the mill by truck. As you can see guys, I'm super excited for this trip. I love, I actually love fishing for all types of fish as you've seen on my channel. I don't care if it's a little bitty smelt or if it's a giant pike or lake trout and this trip is a cold water species trip, a lot of native fish not stocked, which I really do prefer. Weather for this trip is up and down. It looks like we're gonna get some decent days warm up into the 30s during the days, not too brutally cold at night. This morning it was 13 below zero in Jefferson, where I'm from and it's been a weird winter. We've had like a week or so ago, maybe a couple of weeks ago, it was 65 degrees and we've had a couple of rain days and it looks like it might be coming to an end, which I hate, I love ice fishing season. Did you want me to throw that for you? Oh yeah. Do you want me to throw that? Come here. I can't mask on right now. Come here. What's up buddy? How's it going? Good, good to see ya. You got your slippers on too. I got my driving slippers on. Yeah. What do you think? I think we're gonna, we're gonna kill it. Yeah. So I think we're gonna do a little fish in the day. Oh yeah. Nice. Yeah. Good. Good day for, at least a wind ain't blowing. I know, it looks like we got a good week ahead of us, weather was. And tomorrow's supposed to be nice. I think we're on 30. Nice. But Sunday looks a little iffy, rain. All right. Getting loaded up here, do a little casking. Got a new set of 20 inch jack traps. I got the big bob flags on them so they show up pretty good and they're reflective even at night. And the four inch spools, which I like that a lot. You get a lot of line on those. And the nice part about them is they fit pretty well. Right in my, right in my baby box. You ready to catch some cask? You want me to throw that stick for you? Oh, did you want me to throw that stick? What am I supposed to do with this stick? Ready? Go get it. You never know he's seven years old. He is? Yeah.  I know. What do you think, bud? What are we going to do today? I think we're going to put some nice fish on the ice. All right. That's a plan. Go for a cask. Yes. Beautiful, cask nuggets tonight. Yeah, absolutely. Our check that's been here all year, that's efficient. What's up, bud? What's happened? What do you think? Welcome to the humble abode. Look at this, huh? There isn't a sofa in here. That's awesome. What a shack. Yeah? How big is this thing? 8 by 12. Perfect. Plenty of room to hang out. Oh, yeah. Got a couple of holes in the floor, huh? Yeah. That's a bummer. I know. It's going to be a shame sitting in here jigging. Yeah. Sweet. What do you want to do? I want some rifle, I want some crash. Okay. That's a pretty terrible view over there, huh? It's awful. I'm not looking for that. We're close. Don't want the batteries hitting. Maybe right here. Think I'm through. I think we got her. Got her. Got him. You want to keep these guys alive or you want to kill them? Because I got a bucket. Oh, it's a perch. See, what's he doing out here? All right, we're on the board. Holy, look at the stripes on him. The Canadians count the stripes and they're like a seven striper's good. This guy's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, maybe 10. What's that right there coming in on the bottom? That's a nice gask. There's a 10 striper guys and he's not even bigger than my hand. 10 stripes, that's crazy. So that might be a school of yellers. Oh, look at him, he's on me. Is he? Look, see? Oh yeah. Can you deem? Come on, buddy. Oh, okay, these might be smelts with yellows in on them, eat them. Oh my God, look at those perches driving those smelt. I'm on the one right above you, see that? Yeah. He's about to hit. See that? You can actually see him hit. Heals like another yellow. Might be whitey. Yellow. Yeah, these yellows are just destroying that school of a smelt. Got him. Little guy. There's a jack smelt. Cool, we'll keep him. But when a gask comes in, he should show up really big and red. There you go. There's a gask. A gask? Nice. Do you want me to land them or anything? Oh. Still in the hole? Nope. Oh, there he goes. Look, do you see him just tear through? Look, that's him going to the bottom. He just tore through everything. Oh, look, look at that screen. You can hardly even see the water column. Trouble is, I don't know what is what on that screen. I don't have a clue where my jig is. I don't have a clue like, which ones are smelt, which ones are purge. I don't know. It's just a whole lot of something out there. I don't really care. I'll catch anything. That feels smelty. That feels smelty. Yep. Oh, geez. That's a perfect size for bait tomorrow. Yes, it is. All right, guys, you are not watching a rerun. I'm actually still jigging smelt here in Maine. That's a little jack smelt right there. I'm here with Max. We, the screen is lit up more than a Christmas tree.  It's crazy there. I think it's smelt eaten baby smelt and yellow purge eaten baby smelt that every once in a while, we'll watch a cast swim through the bottom. Max had one, I think pretty close to top side and it popped off right at the bottom of the hole. So that's a good sign. They are here. Holy cow, is that you? Yeah. I'm Joe. Hi, I'm Danny. Danny, nice to meet you. Look at the size of that dinosaur. Congratulations, what a giant. Oh, that's huge. Oh my goodness. This is one of the other ones. Just, holy cow.  Oh my God, you guys are getting me way too excited. I gotta go video this flag. Hopefully it's one of those, but I'll be right back. No, I didn't even show you. Well, congratulations on that fish. Thank you. If I got one half that size, I would freak out. Yeah, we'll be. Oh, it'll get me. It'll smell. I sent it to my brother. Yeah. Like you guys, maybe you'll see this video after. And if I get one half that size, I would freak out. Yeah, we kept the first one I had and I was like, that's a big cast and then we caught that one. And I'm like, this one looks rigid now. If you eat fish, you have to try those. They are the best eating fish. Yeah, I don't eat a lot of fish. We gave it away a bit. See, Max, you like what had it. It's way better than it had it. Yeah, I've had it before. That's not bad. What was I speaking to? I'm speaking to you too. Tell the kids, I said hi. I'll catch these all day. Well, okay. Wait, what is that? Mummy chub. What is that? Mummy chub. What? What is that? It's a mummy chub.  It's a bait. What? What? It's a what? I'm telling you, it's a mummy chub. What is a mummy chub? Is it a chub? Yeah, it's a smart one. It doesn't look like the chubs I catch. No. The chamberlain chain. Good bait. Is it? Yeah. Let me show the viewers. The viewers are gonna be like, what's a mummy chub?  So guys, that's a mummy chub. It's not like the chubs I usually catch, but it's good bait, so we're gonna use it. Mummy chub. I brought the scoop this time. I don't know if it's gonna help us or not. Makes you wet. Somebody home? I can't tell you yet, it's small. Yeah? Maybe it's just a bait. No fight, it's gotta be just a bait. Just a bait. Feels like there's a head shake though. I mean, there's no weight to it. Oh, it's a whitey. Hey perch, he ate that big jack smelt. You worth keeping? Yeah. It's off to the side. Somebody's home? Small whitey? What? Now, is that what you're calling a big one? Yeah, that's a big one, look at that. That's trophy size right there. Master angler. Yeah. That is actually the smallest I've ever seen in my life. And look at that, you took that sucker, but you must have been hungry. That sucker's bigger than him. Nice, jigging the jack smelt. You got a stave and cask, Danny. Nice one, Danny. This giant. It's not even your biggest. No, no, it's not, but it's still pretty good. Oh yeah, that'd be my biggest. That is giant. Wow, it's over 30, I'd have to say, right? Yeah. That's definitely 30 inches. Oh yeah, that's over six pounds, I'd say. Buddy. Did they give you a good fight? Not really. It got caught up on the hole a little bit, so I thought I was going to lose it. And when I pulled it up, I barely had it hooked in the corner of its mouth. Nice, what did it eat? It ate a shiner. A live shiner? Yeah. You guys are doing really well in the live bait. Yeah, this is the only one we caught so far. So this has got a measuring device up to 26. So it's, oh yeah, it's 30. Yeah. You would have. That's pretty good. Ah yeah, congratulations, that's really good. That's phenomenal. Nice, do you want to warm up? No, I'm good. I just wanted to come over and show you guys. Well, thank you so much for showing us. He's like a huge fan of your videos and I've only seen one from the other day. So he said that you liked casks. So he's like, go show them. I love casks. They're actually my favorite out of everything. Yeah, nice. Yeah, and especially big ones. Yeah, I'll let you guys back. Thank you guys so much, congratulations. Thank you. Smell it, huh? Swimming around it, tell you what I'm saying. I think it is.  Yeah, decent size too. These are pretty good jack smells. Do guys come up and catch these smell? Some of the old timers do, but not many. Geez. Not many people do it anymore. Not many people fish anymore. Oh man, all right. Semi-high flyer. It's all perspective. Right? Yeah, if I was shorter, I'd call that a really high flyer. Looks like we got some activity. Really? Yeah, something small. Feels like a really small bourbon. Getting a little bigger, but not much. God, he's got enough line out. I know. There we go. Caught up to him. Yeah, can't tell if it's a bourbon. Feels bourbon-y. Yep, bourbon-y. They're getting bigger. Yeah, we're working our way out. We got to catch a lot of these to get to 10 pounds. Well, look at this, it's got a really cool spot on it. Look at this spot on his back right there. Yeah, that's cool. Bourbon-y.  And they are pretty in this lake, aren't they? Just one up. Perfect. It's somebody's home. Think I left the scooper back in that hole. Looking good, huh? Man, I'm on fire. Oh, brown belly. Yeah, he was getting all set up. Yeah. There's a little bit of weight there. Oh, yeah. There's some weight there. Yeah. This ain't no small fry. It ain't big, but he's head shaking at least. Might be filayable. Yeah, this one's got sort of a filay on him, I think. He's not big, but two pounder, maybe. Found the three quarters. Getting bigger. Oh, we can get a filay off him. Oh, he's got lock spots on him, huh? No, they're a little bit different color over here. Coss Nuggets. Tell you one thing, they've got strong jaws. Seared-looking fish, but they taste good. But pretty certainly uglier. Anything is in life, the better it tastes. That looks like dinner to me. It is dinner. Good tonight. Got this, got a white perch. I'd say we're living like kings, wouldn't you, bud? Absolutely. Look where we are. Show them you've got a stick. Maximus, the man, the myth, the legend himself. Look at this bird. Boston down here. I know, right in on you. Yeah. You ready? Look at this bird. I can't believe you're over here. This is great. Oh, yeah. Love it up here. Beautiful. And the finest table fair, swimming in the waters in northern Maine. I just put one of the sleds. Did you, good one? Eater sauce. Yep. I'd call it a good one. I like this one. Rocks, I've been watching this all year. You like it? I do, I think, but it's hot. You've got to have big trails in the problem. Like, the only person I like, I don't want to see another guy in it because I'm not social. Look at that, look at that, that's a big, come on. He might have been. Oh, look at him turn. What are you missing? He's that big, huge, long red thing. Oh, that's him? Yeah. Dude, I'm all iced up. I can't even get my jig to drop in this ice. That's a big stave-in card. Maybe I don't, maybe I honestly don't think that hole is big enough. I was going to go down to steal one. Where did the ladle start? He's not that big. Is your ladle? It's right outside. You got him, baby. That's why I jigged it just right. He feels all right for a cast. I think I got him jabbed pretty good. Is he good? Oh, he's not getting a couple three pounds. Is he coming backwards or? You let me know if I can do anything. A couple times. Is he an eater? Yeah, he's a sport. He'll eat. He'll eat, he'll eat. That's not a cost-negative. Cost-negative, baby. Is he just jibbing off? Oh, yeah, you've just seen him on the long story. Oh, I'm dragging that. He snatched. Yeah, David was trying to steal it from me. I got called Operation Game Thief. You get him on my jig, too? No, no, I'm on. You got the phone number for Operation Game Thief. I was going to call Davey in. Trying to steal my cask. Nice. Pretty brutal out here. Yeah, it is. It's real. Yeah, it's definitely real. Let me see. I don't know if I brought the scoop or not. No scoop. Are you good? If you want me to run back, get it. I will. Fight through it, bud. Fight through it. Yeah? Oh, yeah. Good one? You want me to kick that hole? Nah, you ain't got one. Tiny? Yeah. I left my tweezers in there. All right, another little guy. This downright rude out here. Get there, bud. We're getting right, man. Nice, babe. Steven, babe. No, we don't want riffraff in here. This is my good friend, Trap and Joe, Joe Holland. Hey, what's up? How are you? My lady, Shona. I've heard so much about you. The one is? The one on TV. Nice to meet you. You too. Let me check your eyes. Can you see? I had one. I had one. You must be blind. I don't know. I'm just kidding. I love them. He's something. I'll tell you. He's sure he is. I feel like you're a public too, huh? I see you in my garage. Yeah, that was awesome. Oh, you have a big one. Look at David. Look, look, look. He's on again. Looked out, looked out. Looked out. That's a big one. He just kept fricking going. He didn't even stop. We haven't seen that guy yet. Oh, he turned around. He's not coming back. Now why? What's the matter with that guy? He hit bottom. Did you see that one, Max? That was a good one. Right, he's right in my face. You got him, David. Yeah. Ha-ha. And a ball. Oh, let me know if I've got to clean that hole anymore. We've got to clean that hole a little bit more. Does that need it? Yeah. He's bored a lot. Yeah, I don't think so. Wait, look big on that guy. Yeah. Well, what do you figure he is? He's over 16 inches. Yeah. Just about breed in size. Yeah. All in the pop-up on that. That was awesome. I like that rod. Yeah, that thing's a bit... It's so easy to get help. Hold him up for the camera. The little fella. Yeah, just a little guy. We'll let him go and get bigger. They're pretty long. They don't drop in the snow. Yeah, they are. The camel on them is unbelievable. They really are. I love the colors. Nice. Good job, bud. Here's what I do. I missed the hole. I go to the camp. Good job, buddy. My normal size. Oh, man. This is average. Yeah. Six-year-old. Another day in the life. What is that? Oh, dude, this is probably... That's the biggest one you saw. Yeah, that's my seventh one, that size. How was that? One more? That is good.   You're going to chew them, you know. Max, you see this dog? When you get him up, throw him the hole there. You got to go over and... What do I do? Keep going. Is it in the hole? Yeah. Oh, it won't fit. Wait, wait, don't pull the hole. We got to make a bigger hole. No, he's coming. No, where's that? He's coming. Nice. Good job. I did that. That's your first fish? Yeah, ever. Showing a nice work. Good job. The hole's froze up. The hole froze up on it. You're going to get it. I see a thing coming forward on it. I hit the seal. I feel like I'm on YouTube. I was on this side. Nice job, Shawna. All right, you're going to be on YouTube. Yeah, you're famous. YouTube. Ooh, gotcha. You got your second one, too. He deserved it. Yeah, he did. Nice. What do you think, Shawna? Good night fishing. So cool. You liking it? Nice, you got your first fish tonight. I did. That was awesome. Give me a good fight? Well, I don't know. I guess so. I've never done it before, so... It was a good fight. We'll call it a good fight.  That was the fight of my life. There you go. I like the way you look at it. What's that thing weigh, David? 5.6. 5.66. Almost six pounds. Yeah. Nice. That's what you're after. Yeah, over five and a half. Beautiful. 5.6. That'll eat pretty good. Loins on that. Well, guys, we are starting to pack it up out here. I just picked up my traps. I had three traps out. One didn't have bait. The second had a cusk just sitting there on it. Didn't pull any line out. Just a little guy. And the third just wasn't doing too well. Yeah, no excuses for that third one. Should have had a fish on it. You know, if it was mine, I would have had it. If it was yours, they all would have had a fish on it. So we're packing up. We're going to leave Shawna and Davy out here. But we're probably going to take the electronics. Sorry. So good. So good. We're all loaded up. Quick and easy. And we're going to head back to the ranch and get something to eat for dinner. Those cusks might be too frozen for the night. I don't know. Yeah. We'll see. Oh, it's tomorrow. Yeah, that's right. Cool. Let's go. Good job, buddy. Actually, I didn't count. How many have we had? I got one at the end. So I think we ended up with 13. 13? Yeah. 13 cusk. Pretty awesome day. Pretty awesome afternoon. Yeah, afternoon. You didn't get out here until noontime. Yeah, I think it was like 1.32 when we got set up. Yeah? We're running a little late today. Sorry about that. But I got my biggest cusk ever and we got two other really nice-sized eaters. Yeah? So three. That's a great day. Yeah? Great job. All right, let's get after it. Hey, man. Absolutely. All right. Eating some good burgers tonight. Max, thanks for cooking that up. Yeah. They look pretty good. We got off the lake a little after 10 p.m. Yep. I had three degrees Fahrenheit in the truck. Balmy. Yeah, it was balmy. Balmy with that wind. It's probably close to 11 now, right? Yeah, it's got to be close to 11 now. 11.15. Yeah, so we're hitting the middle of 11.15. So we'll see what time we get on the water tomorrow. But tune in tomorrow, guys. Should be a great day. We're going after lakers. Yeah, we're going after some lake trucks tomorrow. Ultra clear water. Yes. Underwater camera. The works. Panoptics, live scope. Okay, we're going to have fun tomorrow, guys. Tune in for that one. Hope you like this episode. We'll look at the camps and stuff maybe tomorrow or one of the days. Yeah, we'll get to it eventually. Yeah, we'll talk about the camps tomorrow too. So tune in for tomorrow's episode. Should be a good one. Thanks for tuning in for the days.