g about. Yeah, but like with flag it was starting to get uh, we could have done something more clever I especially with how much they focused on the cigarette in that scene I was expecting something like he was gonna spit it with his Well, I don't know like what was I was I guess I was expecting something clever And that didn't happen. No, they just That the tie-up they do a move and it's it's even more frustrating because The people in the front have a camera on this room and they only notice something's happening when john scene is about to kill them And so it's too late Which is insane. They should see it immediately. They should have heard it Oh, also that shotgun blast. It like makes like a clean hole that john scene could just like fit it in higher Yeah, I know we were watching that. I was like no Isn't it like almost a perfect circle too? It's like someone took a laser weapon and melted a hole through it Yeah shotguns don't work that way. Sorry, hollywood Someone said he's driving really Like he's not gonna notice anything because he's driving.  He's got a he's got a passenger I don't know people in the front. I don't know what you're talking about mauler I'm always oblivious to people in the back seat of my car getting kicked as I'm driving. Was there a was there I I will I'll defend it a little bit I think that the since it's like a prisoner transport There's going to be a sturdy wall between the drivers and the the back area Isn't there like a like a thick glass window or like there's a wall there that he has to blast through silly as that is Well, I'm not yeah, I'm not basing the whole argument and he would have heard it I'm I'm still on the point of the visuals. He would have recognized. Anyway, this screen is pretty high def considering Like you're not missing that. Yeah, that's pretty enough.   Yeah, you're right. Yeah Um, so he shoots one of them and that guy Fall slips down into his seat and falls onto the gas So this car's going full speed now and then John Cena puts his arm through the hole and Rams the guy up into the like the ceiling of the of the car Uh roof rather and and until his head is basically just like mush And then the car keeps going until it smacks into like a big truck thing and then they barrel roll all the way down I'm a hill And uh, then they get out on yeah, like all of them are human.    I mean i'm Did we say at the beginning when we were like, I don't think there is one beach A little bit in the beach now the beach doesn't like they're all entertaining, but none of them work Yeah, they're entertaining. Yeah, yeah logistically. I'm pretty sure every single one of them We'll have comments for every one of them. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, unfortunately some especially this next one, right? Well, oh, yeah, we may yeah, we may as well just keep it going So they're like right off to yotenheim and then rick flag is like well No, because we just found out from those police officers in that truck just now Which almost feels like the whole reason this happened that harley's still alive and we got to go get it Um And we I think it's gonna be an eave. Have we have to go in harley? We were like no Because well, you can clearly I think a bloodsport even says that it's uh rick flag wants this And there's no point in trying to argue with him when he wants something this much He says something like there's no point in pulling the rag out of his mouth or something. I don't know if that's a phrase Because apparently like they they consider he considers like harley a friend.  You're like, okay It has nothing to do with information that she has or that like there were like her tracker slash like detonator doesn't work Like they couldn't kill her so they need to get her out to make sure that she doesn't spill anything That's it's nothing like that. It's completely. We need to get her because we care about her and it's like And that's the thing like I can believe it if these two were incredibly good friends that he would be like Guys, I'm gonna go get her. You don't have to come with me But I'd really appreciate it and you can have you can have the sort of back and forth But um, I don't believe they have that connection at all Yeah, I don't yeah, um, but the film I wish they let her died Sorry I wish they let her die. Oh, I mean, yeah I guess that's a spoiler for anybody who didn't know I think it would be funnier It would be funnier, right? If uh, they just didn't go to rescue her and then Maybe she gets out on her own and then she meets up with them later And they're just kind of confused because they they just kind of like left her for dead because the mission is more important than Going on this uh diversion to to rescue harley And so there's there might be like an awkward moment there What if what if the line was that she was like you chose the mission over me? I guess and then you could be like we weren't going to save you anyway That could it could have been really funny. Um, there's there's a lot of stuff that they could have done there Yeah, yeah, and to them. Yeah Yeah, it's a good thing that they ended up rescuing her anyways, right? It was a it was very important for them to Do this little detour that you could consider out of character for them Oh, and someone's just suggested in channel I think you could have this as a solution so the guards in the in the van could have said Um, I don't know what you guys are doing here, but believe me You'll give it up eventually just like your friend or something that would be like, oh wait, we're who we're like harley She may have she's she's holding tight for now It's surprised how much that woman can take but She's gonna give up the plan eventually and they could both like they could look around be like we have to get it because She's gonna give away everything better That's way better.  Yeah. No, you're right.   Oh, it's so Do you want to like rewind through the scene so that we can just Well, yeah, it's one quick thing.   Oh Gonna hurt Now believe it or not, this is actually the best part of this entire scene because it just gets worse Well, you're correct in the uh the way she if we accept all the stuff that just happened Here grabbing the key off him and using it. Is this something that she apparently did? Like yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah, I was but that is and if you remember I think in the recording It was brought up as a potential issue But I think I think me and rag said like oh, I can believe that like I'm pretty sure I've seen someone do that before Oh Yeah, yeah Well, yeah, that's the like that's the thing with Harley Quinn If you're we're still kind of baffled as to what her power is other than incredible plot convenience But that's the kind of thing that I can believe if she does that stuff and she's super nimble like a contortionist Um and that kind of plays into her character to a degree that I can believe it's the other weird mega strength stuff that That I just can't buy well Like her being able to actually do it. Um in real life is like It's it's always nice to see people being able to do their own stunts like that because it makes it makes it a lot more believable Um So of course knowing that margo robbie can do that is like all right. This is definitely not an issue then Of course, I don't believe that margo robbie let alone anyone Can walk out there with two pistols absolutely not in stand in the middle of basically an intersection of several hallways and people will just Charge in and not like bother taking any cover. Maybe peeking around the corner. See what's going on They'll just keep running towards her with their guns Which are are things that I think are good at at long range with Mentioning for context right like what happens next for people who don't know is He kills like 50 people or something It's ridiculous She just goes through the whole place and shoots them all down And I've seen loads people praise this scene and I'm genuinely curious Why is it literally just because you watch tally kill people is that it? Like what is there to it makes no sense to even compliment her as like a gun like a marksman or anything It's like where the fuck would that have come from and secondly she's not doing anything impressive It's spinning around shooting It got the whole flower thing going on for the blood, you know, that looks pretty doesn't that's like the only thing I kind of liked rest of it was yeah Yeah, like in a better film that could be like, you know, that is like you would have like holly vision Where you know her perception of reality is quite different and you would have something like Oh when she kills people, they just explode into flowers and that would be something interesting But again, like all the holly stuff in this film Um, there are there are points where I'm like, okay I can see Where that could be like a character where you could do stuff with that character Like she may maybe she has trust issues and the whole friendship with rick Is like her coming to like because there's a moment where she sees rick and she's like really touched that someone would Be selfless for her and I'm just like wow, there's maybe something you could have done with that But they don't really explore it and that's kind of just a lot of the holly stuff For me is that there's points where I can see where it could have gone.  Oh, sorry. Oh, no go ahead and finish Oh, well my notes here are basically enemy soldiers don't seem to know how to aim their guns until the plot requires character deaths Well, and this is really apparent here. So someone in chat said she's either invincible or the soldiers are worse shots than stormtroopers Here's the thing about that that would require them to shoot their guns Yeah, yeah At least the stormtroopers they shoot their guns has like a meta power her power is the power which would be interesting for the dceu almost if you had a a The her they're someone who superpower was like a meta level power They had incredible luck or like they acknowledged they Not only go too far into the Deadpool territory But that that could be an interesting kind of idea where it's even alluded to And it's never like maybe questions are asked about it, but never answered I mean incredibly lucky person like that's their power Well, isn't that a character in That is a domino. Yeah, I've never I've never seen No, no, that's that's the interesting connection. I guess Yeah, that that could be interesting. There's a lot of stuff It'll be dceu is so is really wacky and it's clearly not taking itself so seriously And You you could do something interesting with harley because we're still kind of wondering What is her power level what it and who is she?  That could be funny.      You don't have to opt for a knife We'll think of all the hollywood fights where getting the gun is the focus of you know, what people are You know what we're trying to do. Yeah, isn't that in extraction? Isn't that what David harbour and christen with are fighting over? Yeah, I think that happens in that fight. Yeah Which and yeah, and that fight happens to be really intense and there's actual stakes involved Yeah, extraction is worth a watch for those who haven't heard of say it, but yeah extraction is it is worth a watch There's impressive stuff in there.  You got it. I was gonna say by the way She actually does pick up the assault rifles or what I think we were like. Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, she did it Yeah, okay Then again assault rifles and then there were 50 people in the hallway who all had guns But then also didn't shoot so they all died because she killed them first And while we're on the subject because Because of the music choice for the scene. I highly recommend you guys check out nobody It's this bob odin quirk action movie and it's features the same song, but it's actually really good So I've seen it. I wanted to give that a watch. Yeah, we should do that at some point. Um, I I endorse it It's up there with extraction for me.  My brain never goes to javelin first.   Fuck's sake firing shots actually in her direction It's like, how are you missing? She's got a javelin Funny story when I first watched this I didn't notice that the javelin was already there I thought that she imagined the javelin into existence Like it just it was like it just comes out of thin air because it shines Like as like a video game weapon spawn basically That's on me it was there the whole time apparently but Mola's british mind goes to septifist. Is that a british thing or is that just me flumpin? I don't know Aceptors british It's not even to be fair. Wait, what did you call a scepter? Well, it's the thing the javelin is not even close to a scepter It's just something I'm saying because the you could say they're similar in in form I suppose Roughly well a scepter is closer to a javelin than a chicken, you know Yeah Even a chicken scepter is closer to a javelin than an actual chicken Someone in chat said even that would be better. Like if it suddenly revealed her power was javelin summoning, which is incredibly That's Harley Quinn the gal that can summon javelins anywhere. Yeah her um her focus on Not only just getting but keeping this javelin with her um, it's never Explained why she does that? Well, I guess she keeps saying like how they play off the javelin death at the beginning I don't know why we should care because it's not played off as a thing that she actually does care about She feels played off as a joke. She does say at one point. She's waiting But god or whoever to tell her why she has this javelin Yeah, I'm not saying it's good That's just verbally that that's just verbalizing what she's doing I guess It's something, you know So then of all the things right after she's about to leave well before she's about to leave Um, the suicide squad run past here. It's this awkward thing. We pointed out. We were watching it Blood sport peers around the corner to check if anyone's there Clearly sees a taxi and Harley quitter there and then just starts running like past them Just like what was the point in checking there's someone there like what? What are you doing? I guess you can say like well, he's checking for police or something. He's like, okay And it's super convenient timing as well because it's what gets Harley out of the car and meets up with them If oh, yeah knows what it was happened or if she's drove away Convenient as hell There's a there's a lot of that and so yeah, we get the They reunite but before that we see them prepping the plan and um somebody that hit me And I'm not even 100 of the third time viewing it. I'm not 100 sure if it's a joke But I fight it funny as fuck when they talk about where everyone's in positions This like the Sebastian has got the numbers on who's inside or where things are Polkadot man is keeping an eye on the traffic to let anyone know this coming King shark is looking at a bird They ask a peacemaker What's going on at least like I've got a view of the audio one in there. Say the word. I'll take her out He really he really is committed to peace He will kill any man woman or child to achieve it Yeah, it connects to that previous line and it's funny, but you're like, holy crap Like he is 100 serious and he would have gone well Yeah, you could say you could generate a more serious scenario with his point of view Uh, theoretically You guys are also overlooking. I think that's what I like because from his yeah Because from his point of view it is so serious and yeah, that's what makes it work You guys are also overlooking. Um when nanaway is like bird.  It's just like man. You did that pretty quickly and She keeps a jab right because it's a useful weapon not as useful as an m4 Yeah, it's it's amazing the the power of writing witty dialogue exchanges between these characters Yeah, well they say this about literally fucking just in uh in discussions with people if you are funny It'll make people want to be around you more Because they enjoy their time being around you and if these people are all funny Then when we see them we will think of the times we have laughed and be like Yay, I would like to spend more time with these people and that's aside from all of their um What's endearing about them in their histories That's just strictly just having witty Writing good dialogue.  I swear to god. It gets you to like people real quick Not just about oh, they came from this place and they had this happen.  Thank you very much for the very speedy new pfp. Um, you just dumped um Yeah, this call. Yeah. I love it. Gorgeous Um Yeah, someone else I do like about this though is when when they hug and he's trying to like pat her on the back He's got his guns. He's just patting her on the back with his gun Which Just uh works. Uh, yeah, uh, you know, they were about to be engaged the plan. She's actually here So they can just uh move on I guess which Um, is there is there anything else before I go to the next team because I am I'm going through a little fast. I guess I just I feel like I might have missed stuff. I don't know I know Don't think we yeah carry on Very well We have what might be my favorite chapter Sort of thing I like a lot of them But this one is like a combination of like lots of scrap metal on a rooftop at a particular angle. I think it was my favorite too. Yeah Yeah Which is really cool It seemed to be more incorporated into the actual environment more than any of the other ones. Yeah, this um Some of these haven't looked practical like some of it has to have been CGI But this was like it has to have been practical, right? No, I I mean I had to assume it's CGI, but it looks like it could be practical, which is the important Yeah, I would have assumed that it was practical, which I don't know I assumed all of them a CGI to be honest every single one Yeah, um some of them are my question, but yeah, it's possible. They all are Um at this point in the film, it's really good Yeah, um, we were definitely in the position of like Man, this is bizarre because we're having so much fun.  Yes You know, I was tempted to bring it up someone earlier I'd said one of the issues with Harley is there's no one to play uh, no one for her to play off of But that's this and it's still bad Yeah, the best you've got is like rick flag going no don't listen to what she just said You know, like oh, that's that's great We're really uh, oof It is this is cringe. This is actual cringe Maybe margo robbie thought that these would just be harley lines and nobody like told her no It, uh, I just wanted to mention quick as well.  He's still here. He's helping them out. No, that's the best I want to make sure milton is mentioned. Yeah, I would get I would give Mid hilton hilton I would give hitler a high five.  That is our plan It's like, oh That's great also Also, they don't seem particularly interested in like interrogating information out of this guy who's been working on the project for 30 years They got to save that before they get into yodenheim itself. So that it'll be more dramatic um I guess I they have no reason to think anything other than they're going there to destroy data But I think I agree with you and that you'd think at least one person would be curious enough to be like What is the data anyway? What is all of this about? He's a wealth of knowledge. Yeah, I think that's relatively sure Uh, obviously they're more focused on just getting the job done. So it's like a it's a toss-up But I think that someone probably would have asked that I probably would have been like, hey um Let's scan on here. But yeah, uh, they're just explaining how everything's gonna work and Harley just makes jokes I'm trying to think of like one of them is she's they literally speaking and she's walking in the background She says I am walking back and forth so like As as I was watching this, um, you know the term flanderization Yes Yes Go ahead. Yes. I don't know what it is. You have to explain it Well, Molly, can you explain it? You can probably explain it better than I can.  He's a really good person sort of thing as the seasons go on He starts to lose a lot of the elements that make him a full person and instead repeat what everybody enjoys as his peaks Which is like, oh when he says silly words when he does like hyper religious things When he, um, you know awkwardly Succeeds despite all odds like these are things I like about Ned Flanders And then that's all they do with them until it gets reduced and reduced and reduced until you're almost a caricature of what the character was This actually happened with Britta in the community as far as I'm concerned a couple of other because Britta Like Britta was word for uh, this sucks or this is bad And then that just became like her becoming this incredibly flat character And yeah, with like Ned Flanders you look back from where he is now. It's like could you imagine hurricane netty like could you Yeah, could you see that happening and and believe that when it totally makes sense? So then I'm looking at the scene with Harley and um, it's funny because it's not only such a painful contrast between Like the previous scene with her hugging Rick and also Her having that moment where she's talking to the guy She just shot because he announced that he wanted to kill children. But also, um, even like B-Tas like I think that B-Tas Harley Quinn is is a perfectly fine character. And um, I'm looking at this. It's like These people don't know how to write Harley Quinn. They don't they don't seem to understand her Personality what makes her a good character sound like adaptation almost I mean, I mean But I also mentioned it it's inconsistent with what we saw in previous scenes. It's just the character is just reduced to a a very Just I don't know two-dimensional stereotype basically and they're trying to do it for laughs and it's just it's not funny It's it's kind of like if your Batman is just someone who runs around going. I'm Batman. I'm Batman Then he just punched someone. You know, it's like it's a little bit like that Yeah, the basis for Harley's character and a lot of stories tends to be the Joker They tried doing that in the first Suicide Squad movie then they abandoned that for Birds of Prey and now It's like they don't really know what to do with her anymore. I would say that broadly I would say that broadly what's happened with Harley Quinn and like everything is that they're trying to divorce her from Joker and just have her be like her own thing Because of the baggage that is associated with The relationship that they have which is very abusive. And so that's really that's like Kind of awkward to try and make that a funny Like action-adventure kind of thing. So I think they've been trying to like completely divorce her from Joker But like she was conceived as dependent on that character So it's like you need to find a way to move her into becoming like independent Yeah, it's gonna make her her own thing. She has to be a thing There's not and she's practically Somebody said they can't they absolutely could you absolutely can I was literally right about to say that as we were watching this and kind of as we finished She comes across as this We've had her for three movies now and i'm getting blank slate vibes from her still The bag of character traits is enormous. We can pull literally fucking anything apply it to her give her a storyline relating to it This is not hard And this is like this is why birds of prey is so pathetic at attempting to flesh her out Evan and I when we finished our run through of batman the animated series, which is I meant by b-tas for those that aren't looking at chat Um, the last episode that we watched was mad love and mad love is a good episode that fleshes out Her character really really well.  He is trying desperately to salvage But I don't think he's trying desperately to save it. I don't think yeah, because I think that I can see I can see like a story that you could do here even with the character that you've been presented I feel like The problem is that we need to be willing to actually be very critical of uh, Harley Quinn And I don't know that that's what people want And so that seems to be informing the writing because like I feel like your story has to wow I think muller will kind of know what I'm thinking about in terms of like this concept But you know, she she was a victim of joker and now and like maybe But now she's like almost she's damaged goods and it's like so where do you go from there?  And you feel like how much accountability does she have versus how much is beyond her control? Yeah, and you feel like maybe you've got an opportunity here to tell a story of Maybe in the first third to a half she is open and honest about how she's been Ruined and torn apart by joker And the rest of the storyline is going to be about how not only is she going to build herself back up But that she sees a lot of what she's done in her past as not just joker This is also stuff she enjoys. Yes, and she needs to address that in some way Well, I think it's I think it's the meaningful way of like making it so that it's she's not defined by Joker in twofold And that she's not defined by the damage that was done to her by him But also that some of the bad things that she did that's like that was her It was her decision when she is with him or without him. That's not what makes her who she is We can have this so much we can do but we spend the majority of her time in this Indulging in other stuff And now Talking about it more it's like man, you you couldn't you really can like make something out of this Absolutely That's true like we're eight years into this franchise and we've finally gotten something that is worthwhile like I mean It's never too late.  That's an embarrassment if this is the limitation she has Why would somebody say not to yeah, well because the implication from that is that this is harley quinn She is comic accurate.  I'd be like, well, what a shit character that is No, we She's missing a lot of the substance from the comics though that I I don't know a I don't know shit about the comics I just know where she originally came from be tasked where she was a decent character for much of the time that we Yeah, well from from my from my memory. I didn't have much criticisms of harley quinn as I do for like That version of mr. Freeze That's she isn't given much material some of those earlier episodes is the thing She's mainly just there to be the sidekick. They kind of introduced the whole abusive relationship and sort of like later seasons But still she's pretty functional mad love was really good mad love's a really good episode Everyone should watch mad love and see what harley quinn can be like, you know when she meets her full potential When I saw the trailer for this movie the scene that we got of harley We need to skip over it, but we could go back just a little bit to Dote on it because it's a relevant I suppose Um the scene where she's she has escaped and then she comes across our our heroes if you will Trying to like save about to save her, but she saved herself And her reaction there like was genuinely good and interesting Yeah, and in isolation that gave me a lot of hope and interest with what we would See of harley quinn and what would be done with her as a character And what a damn shame that it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. Yeah, you pretty much had the full context You already needed and yeah, that was it It's a weird isolated thing that happens that leads nowhere and essentially comes from nowhere And I don't I don't think that the issue is margo robbie's casting. I think that she can be a good harley quinn Absolutely, it's definitely not a issue without cost She is entirely right thing every time and I thought james could be the one to fix her up But I I'm sorry. He just didn't It feels like james was almost fanboying over the fact that he could use harley quinn Which I think might be what contributed to this like he was like, oh my god I got the keys to harley quinn. Oh my god And then he wasn't as ultra critical about how she was introduced into this story As she was about these more unknown as he was about the more unknown characters, which Might be what happened here if I had to guess Well, it feels like he liked the version of harley quinn that we got in birds of prey But that version sucks that character sucks We got more of her here and it's like you got you have this like Otherwise really fun and entertaining movie with a shitty plot But you know, you've got otherwise great cast of characters and then they just like it's like they they surgically inserted This this implant from this horrible pile of garbage Um And It's just it's so out of place That's all I really have to say about it People's only like maybe he wasn't allowed to do much with the character as far as I know he had full freedom Yep, yeah, like I said, I honestly think maybe he might have been a little afraid to change her up too much Because there are definitely a lot of people who love harley quinn by margaret I don't know what they love. I don't know what it is that they like about her Right. I think it is the same thing that people like unironically about alice Like the people who actually like alice because there's a lot of the similar problems She's just so quirky and fun when she's on the green.  So unusual and that is valuable on its own. He's unusual. Yeah, like a lot of the a lot of the performances. She's crazy Well I'm a rent man. Just they can do anything they need to do Yeah Damn shame. Well, there's there's more harley quinn in this film to come. We will probably try and do some kind of like Uh character discussion, I guess like for each one And uh, that was we pretty much already done harley now But like there's a few extra bits we could talk about because in fairness my favorite harley moment is yet to come And I can't remember. I don't know if you guys know what I'm referring to. I know what it is I don't remember I don't know if it was I think south ball points it out in the efat movies recording But we'll get there so We got uh, the we're gonna do the plan yotenheim is surrounded by gods We're gonna go in with our little truck with the thinker driving the thinker will look at them be like I'm the thinker. I'm allowed in here and that's it You won't you won't need to worry about anything else Uh, and then it's like well, what about the cameras? They might spot us. It's like the rats will destroy all the cameras And you'd think that if the rats destroy the cameras, which makes sense to me Um, because I can chew all the wires and stuff wouldn't they be a high alert thing like oh our cameras are down Make sure you check everything now because we we need to make sure all the cameras go down then Unless they just I now I think it was the front gate one that they did and the rest didn't seem to go off But I am going off memory. I'm not it might have just been because we only I think we only see the one Well, that's the one side. I think still works. Yeah It's more than you wouldn't panic the one at the front gate.  This camera went out Well, yeah, it just I depending on the person, you know send Like sent some people there or I'll mark it down to tell the tech guys later or I'll go back to reading my I don't know good housekeeping magazine or whatever. Yes Um, and then we finish we come to There's a lot of things that happen It's maybe I think you could pick for most bizarre moment But like this one baffles me the most out of everything. Honestly. Yeah, this one confused us when we watched it I wasn't really sure it was happening if this was supposed to be and Because we we have that's the weird stylization stuff for the Text and things that are clearly not in universe. It's just to present information to us in style And originally I thought that's what it was. Well, it's with let's just get it clear what we're talking about and then we'll So this image I've got for you right now that is you see that doorway.  Whatever What do we do mystery machine now? Let's let's talk about it from like let's just pretend for a second that everyone in the area goes blind And so you can walk through it's like well, that's incredibly convenient if something like that were to happen But the thing is What they chose to make happen isn't just convenient. It just doesn't match up with anything that I know Like about life. I don't yeah I don't know how what happens in or out of reality This is a bizarre one as you can see from here because I just want to make it clear this area that i'm putting my case around That's where we're about to go Right and you could just from your eye here. You're just like well this this whole place looks pretty clear of you It's like this is going to be tough to uh, you know deal with Um, and if you remember from the trailer if anyone's seen it They're stepping out of like a van and it's raining and holly says It's like angels are splooging all over us.   That's it. It's it's like Storm from the x-men stopped by and gave them a hand I think but if she put it to this level then they're all blind if they try and open their eyes out there Yeah, I'm I'm wondering during the filming like was this a real thing a real effect that they were doing Or was this something they did in post can the actors see good? It's weird. So we as you guys will see in months to come potentially.  So what's happening? Is this the introduction to a new superhero that we don't know about arriving? It's the Milton's ability Yeah Really illustrate that this is this is dead.    No, this is before the climax has even begun Well, this this is what the sun does guys. It's just like, uh I don't know and you say it's for the trailer shot. It's like true But it's also for the plot it allows them to get past the initial set of guards and they can surprise attack the next set This is incredibly helpful for them. Um bloodsport even says it'll provide great cover when she comments on it And it's like yes, it will because this isn't real This isn't something that happened I and again, I don't know what their plan was if this didn't happen Um, I don't know how this is occurring. Well, this is I'm baffled the kind of stuff where I'm like Doesn't the average movie go and not go like what the hell what is happening here? Yeah, I don't How do you follow this like smoke grenades or something like that? That could have worked like they throw them out like of the truck and then it just goes everywhere Like that could create a smoke screen. Is is this the um the closest that we get to something like style over substance in this film Well, this is the the most egregious instance of that uh potentially. Yeah, um What do you think? Um, so yeah They push on over and all the gods can't see them coming. They're like, oh, what's what's going on here? It's so bright. Ah, and then they all get killed. Um The notable kill being king shark Uh, you would have seen in the trailer where he tears a man in two pieces and a lightning strike is in the background I think well, it's all right.  Yeah, and yeah, uh, we just got more guards being retarded Uh piece maker manages to cut through like six of them with a sword They all have guns and they just don't they just don't they just die Um, it's straight out of the Mandalorian. Yeah, it's just boring at this point It's like, can you work a little bit harder? Please come on Please remember what you have in your hands right now There you go.  Oh, yeah But a horrible way to go. Oh, yeah It kind of looks like a starfish, you know, and they'll let it does cut to a piece Make a rabid thing his face into the ice cat.  It's just a little broken.  You know is that? Oh, they just get thinking to do that anyway So, yeah, um that that so we're in this big building Lucky there's no guards in it, which is what I assumed at first because I was confused It turns out there are lots of guards in it. They just they're all sleeping right now And someone is about to realize this is all happening in like two minutes um Again plot is just in tatters because like if they had people in the building ready with guns The security of any kind they probably all would have died um So it's just it's just lucky that it's all empty and that the people who are actually in there to be able to stop them uh Only activate a little later. Yeah, it all works out. It's great So we split up two groups or three groups. I think there's um People setting explosives upstairs. Some people setting them a bit downstairs until they join them upstairs and then another group with going with thinker Um down to where the data is mainly stored um Everybody's pretty much on board with just doing their stuff We get some get some looks from uh old peacemaker toward the thinker and rick flag And uh, we know that the police or the security are on their way So it's a bit to be concerned about but you know things are moving forward And we get an interaction between king shark and peacemaker that I think everybody loves where King shark makes a little peacemaker out of uh, I don't know what to call it explosive clay stuff, you know Yeah, and and um I think I forgot the dialogue, but it's it's like uh He's like anything like me Actually, that's actually it's kind of cute or something like that like The door. Oh, it's really nice. It's really nice. Yeah, that's really very nice Oh, it's uh, plastic Plastic is the the whole explosive clay. Yeah Yeah, king shark obviously considers them all friends and uh John Cena is trying to get on with his work and so Uh, yeah, everyone's setting their explosives and I think we I can't remember what we cut to next. I'm just sort of waiting for obviously yeah king shark notices that um peacemaker's disappeared But uh, you'll just we'll we'll carry on doing that explosive setting And oh, yeah, so uh after that happens, of course the president and all of his men are going to be made aware of the situation and um Something incredibly distracting happens. No need to point it out But uh, that'll be a Big booba lady That's gonna be a funny moment Yeah Someone was in the middle of the of a sentence and then she comes along and then they're like, uh Completely forgot what they were saying Uh, yeah, so we've got loads of the military are on the way Which is just yeah, and the the rebels notice them will leave and so they're gonna try and take over the uh the area Yeah, it seems to be about like 10 rebels left.  That's what I was thinking during this. I was like, man Well, maybe a bit maybe 20. I don't I don't know So, um, we got rick flag rat catcher two and the thinker that go all the way to the base of yotenheim and we get another scene that um It again just it felt a little clunky. It's not a delivery from peter capaldi. He's doing great It's just the dialogue itself is a little like man You really wanted to get every piece of information about this sort of Design this area and everything out, didn't you? um It's revealed that thinker has been working with this thing for 30 years to the point of You know sacrificing people to it to get uh the starfish Bigger and to study it and he said earlier in the film that he was looking into how he can control human beings um And yeah, and when you get here this the staro has its Well extensions of itself like begging to be set free and uh It says like he's tortured us for ages and I just love this look That thinker does because it feels to me that he's just a full-on villain.   America.  That's not good That's what I would actually call bad.   I fully agree. I fully agree. I'm not criticizing it I'm trying to emphasize how upsetting this is for him that you know, he was okay with What waller does in the first movie and this is too far so um And so as you can see on screen piece maker pulls a gun on him says give up the hard drive because if you release that information It'll essentially just be chaos Uh, we'll never be able to get like a reasonable piece back if the whole world's aware of what america's done here And he said sometimes keeping the peace involves Like making some really harsh decisions even taking the life of a hero like you sir So give it man and slow Our our initial context of his Things that we assume are jokes. It's like this is very meaningful beliefs that he has This is who he is It's like the it's it's you know, it's a great example of just this dichotomy We've got two people who believe that they're right Who believe that they're right for reasonable reasons Uh, and one of them has somebody has to give like there's it's a just a complete impasse here something One of these guys has to lose Um Yeah, and and ultimately to the peacekeeper this sorry maker. You're right. That is just you does feel right Doesn't it peacekeeper funny? I think I I play um I play a lot of apex legends and there's a gun on that called the peacekeeper and so that's often kind of I'm around that a lot for me. It's a fast scape. There's a whole faction called the peacekeepers Farscape too.  This is so awkward because of copyright.  What are they doing? Like, why haven't we seen them? Um, I was so engaged with this drama that I completely forgot we haven't seen anything that they're up to Yeah, thank you Again, uh, I'm gonna just play this because I just want to make a clear hope What's happening? Experimented on children They experimented on children, right? Which it's it that's what he's stressing not that it's a giant monster set to potentially destroy the world Not that all these people have been torn to shreds and tortured um And the response to that from Peacemaker is nobody saying what they did was right Which is his principled position is that there is less peace if we release that hard drive I'm not saying that it's good that they're getting away with what they've done Um, I feel like that's a big thing that really helps Yeah absolutely him calling calling saggy hero Really really he really wants him to hand over the hard drive because he doesn't know how to do this Exactly, we've got the peacemaker. It's like it's it's it's a matter of pragmatism. It's like well It's it's the greater good. That's basically his or at least he believes that this is the greater good Yeah, and uh, and then we get a double down So that's probably the best thing I've seen from rick flag and all of every dc stuff just Yeah, this is great. Like this scene is great. I really really like this interaction He doesn't want them to get away with it. They could have easily gone peacemaker totally bad All the way villainous cranked it all the way in one direction But there's really a lot of you totally believe that this guy's a real person you um, yeah What's funny is his delivery of that line reminds me of jesse from breaking bad He he can't keep getting away with it. That's it's literally the same thing. Joe like yeah Joe kineman is is projecting that The like of all the things about it that are so heinous They experimented on children. They don't get to get away with this. It's done Yeah, um And that should worry anybody because that means we're dealing with two people who principally will not allow the other one to succeed Um, yeah, so you already know like what's about to happen And so the the rubble gets too extreme And it begins to cave in the whole area and something I noticed only on I think my third watch through I was talking to rags at the time.   Unfortunately, the rubble falls too fast and they both Get hit by it And uh, we yeah, we go to cut to black we come back and the glass Sort of shielding if you will that kept starro in its area um Is blown open And the thinker is pretty much immediately dragged off to a very grisly death Where he is torn in half and tossed at a wall so hard. He splatters into pieces Um Which by the way, he's one of the worst people in all of this so it's not a surprise Yeah, of course.  So good job Well, I mean in terms of villains.  Yeah um, of course ratcatchers watching it happen and um starro starts to try and break out and for a moment does actually attempt to uh catch her But a sebastian clues her into a little hole She can probably crawl through and much like a rat she escapes through the tiniest of of areas to her to her own safety Um And then yeah, so you what that's the by the way, I almost understated it the way that he dies Thinker we splat him on the wall and the camera moves into the room that he splattered on it It's it's where rick and um Please keep maker are and they're slowly waking up So the thing is knowing everything from that prior scene and they both got knocked out by rubble But they get him back up or you know temporarily inconvenienced um You you you wonder like what because I remember when I was watching it I was just like are they both committed right now to killing each other Because um, I didn't even catch rick pulling the gun on my first watch through obviously Uh, but the thing is There's there's a lot of things at stake is is kind of where I'm going with this We've got the giant starfish about to be released. We've we've got like all the data probably needs Destructing and stuff.  Um, and that's gonna decide a lot of what happens here So he wakes up first a peacemaker any spots that rick's got a bit of debris pulling out of his uh like his gut And then they both note that the hard drive Is where it is and so they both jump for it and we get what is a shot that everybody Everybody's complimenting this shot amazing.  It looks really great. This looks great. It looks. Yeah Honestly, they might have used the fish eye lens everybody even down to like the five to ten minute reviews Nobody's failed to mention that shot.  It's really incredible um And yeah, so the thing is they're both getting for the hard drive They're both pushing each other punching each other until it starts to get really hard hitting like throwing rick into like this It looks like some kind of like seed supplier thing.   I give up it's like no both of these men believe that this is the correct thing to do Like absolutely. There's nothing else to it.  Uh, oh, yeah This is not something he's having trouble with in terms of his conscience Um, yeah the thing is they smashed some porcelain And so there's shards of porcelain around and uh Good ol peacemaker manages to grab one And this is john senor. So his arms are strong And he just plows the shard into his heart and uh They make sure you don't miss that as a fact Uh, i'm gonna have to keep copyright cover on i'm sorry guys, but it would be nice if this was viewable when it Fucking ends the stream, you know Um, I think I think this is almost a call back to the first film as well because they very explicitly show the heart Being stabbed in the whole conflict with him was the enchantress the last film under surrounding her heart Um, so I wonder if that was intentional Um, yeah, maybe I I imagine they're going for the heart because it's in this scenario. It's the instakill might have no doubt like no doubt This is this is death. Yeah, it's yeah, he's gone. Um, and so crazy enough. Yeah, phenomenally enough felt really sad about this Yeah, yeah, yeah I really liked rick flag. They really They recovered him. Yeah in that last in the prior 10 minutes or so Like I said, it was it was like halfway through the film I was starting to feel for him and then when he made his speech like this is unacceptable They've experimented on children. We have to do everything we can to get this out like And then he's fighting someone to the death to do it. I was like man. I like rick flag Yeah, and and then yeah And even what's interesting is like rick flag was just trying to to choke peacemaker to death Um, and seemed he was like really Really committed to it peacemaker does this in self defense essentially And you look at his face. He feels terrible about it. Oh, yeah It was clear. He's not happy about this. He liked rick flag It's I just I really like this character He has a clear set of principles, but he also has the sort of Conflicting feeling about what he has to do to abide by those principles And I'm really looking forward to the peacemaker show. It's like give me an entire show following this character. He's gonna be Right.  We've done it with You know directors writers actors. We're talking about the craft here Really impressed with his acting throughout this film. I thought he was great Yeah I'm purely about and yet this was an actor This reaction because we haven't even gotten to what I think is the best part of the scene just yet But this reaction to knowing he's one and the rick's dead Just like really sad and you you you feel the fact that he didn't want to kill him.  I love it. Um It's a good one. And so, uh, we get the formula line which in finesse This is one of the best death lines in anything ever.    What is this piece worth if it means that abiding by Hiding all of this and doing these things It's great. And yeah kind of perfect peacemaker.  It's one of my favorite payoffs I'm gonna and you know what I'm gonna skip ahead with super chat. Let's just come through to contrast that hot take You all are insane. This movie is terrible. What are you saying? I think you've watched too much garbage The barometer is broken I don't want I really don't want It to be understated that this is like really good character writing excellent content This is when this is when you're this is when you're doing very well If you can have a line really good Surrounded by a bad plot You like yeah, we like the describe plenty of bad so far. We're just like putting out some good material Yeah, so like the plot will comparable like the issues of the plot compromise the payoff But the payoff is still there and the character work is still there And they can be appreciated for like Yeah, I wish that the plot was better and it could have Uh bolstered the payoff here more But um Payoff is still good. Well, uh Another comment a bad movie can go ahead just so with with the super chat Although all we need to do because no argument is being made is go hot take. You're insane. The movie is actually okay Like what are you saying? Yeah, the movie is is Terrible, but like that's his position probably but just be like I think you've watched Uh too much garbage to the point where you can't tell the difference anymore and that your barometer is broken Like proving super chat's point cow in what way? Please back up your statements. Well, I mean it's just we've been through this a lot of times the effects out You've got to make arguments guys not even like the super chat didn't have an argument either It just what we've been doing for the past 10 minutes describing What we've been given as their values in history and how that's proven in stressful situations pushing their principles to maximum Make an argument about how this is terrible or shut up Like I feel like we've done a pretty decent job at explaining why this is good and I've been going into a fair amount of detail about it. Yeah Well, I guess the problem is like because I saw a chat earlier that said like a bad movie can have good characters The the problem is if the characters are good, that's worth a lot Like that that really helped push you up Usually the problem is that like a bad plot will typically have adverse effects on the characters I'm not being talking about endgame a lot But a clear example of this is they wanted their road trip through time And in order to have that road trip through time They needed the characters to make a lot of really stupid decisions True And that's that's where like the plot compromises the characters because they'll be smart and they're stupid They're meant to be responsible and they're very irresponsible all in pursuit of these scenes that they wanted Whereas here, it's like the plot is really bad But the characters are always acting in ways that make sense given what we know about them And that's worth a lot even if the plot is forked In this case, it's talking about really good work here Really good work in terms of character Characters acting consistently with their established motivations traits strengths and weaknesses Doesn't come from a vacuum. It does take talent to write that in even if The writer isn't so talented when it comes to writing the plot and connecting a to b I'm I'm so confused. Nobody's making arguments. They're just complaining like efap They're just ignoring what they've said about other movies now. It's out of character Tell us what's out of character first Example again, it'll be really helpful You can make the point of like this is the issue, but please attach the argument Like well because because someone said um, you have no idea what you're saying Someone said no you is my second favorite efap argument after you're just wrong So the super chat said you're just wrong So I said no you back to it because what else am I supposed to do? Claim claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence It's basically swap swap evidence for argument If you just say something without an argument, then yeah get out of here like a mo bmb studios What a joke. Oh, I I mean, I'm sure he has an argument. He just didn't put it in the super chat Sorry, I don't have a hundred dollars to tell you why you're gushing over trash. You can just put them down in the chat Yeah Why would you spend two super chats not telling us anything? Yeah, I don't yeah, you yeah, you What so okay? Fringy did it just now fringy just did he said what's wrong with the forcing the time plot Is it made everyone stupid and you'd be like what's the arguments like so there's a million things They could have done that was superior to that option Done. Oh that could probably fit in a one dollar super chat like it's you're fine. You'll be fine um I mean during the mission impossible e-fap. I didn't have to super chat every single thing We're also meeting chat.  So this is a point This is really lopsided because we just spent All that time talking about both of these characters and why this happened Why it was important the how it has to end with one of them dying and it does and what it means to both of them No, no Moller movies trash in your gay lol.  Amanda waller is a joke gets randomly knocked out Why not blown the heads not random? We haven't gotten to that. Yeah, make an argument what we're talking about Yeah Right you said this before you knew whether or not we agreed with you on this point.  We're building it up. We're building up the tapestry, right? We're getting there. Yeah, um Let's go with rat lady. She couldn't start off with the super move in what context for which Which circumstance are you talking about? Yeah, yeah We're not well. Yeah, we're nobody We told you this we're making these arguments assuming we don't agree with them Like I thought the whole pro why are we focusing on this scene where that's what the conversation was about I want to know why this scene doesn't work Yeah, actually, that'll be the thing talk about why this scene doesn't work or else I assume you agree and then i'm not sure why you would be upset about the commentary Yeah, like you super chatted in this specific scene meaning that By implication your problem is with our praise of this scene, right? So why aren't you focusing on this scene? This is the thing we've already listed many significant issues with this film. So if we want to just do that we can But we're specifically okay. All right. We'll move on then. No, you've just said no You don't want to do it. All right, or not an issue with this thing not the scene. Okay, awesome So I don't even know why why was that right then? Okay, okay. So if there's not an issue with the scene, why did you super chat us saying That we're crazy and this movie is terrible if you agree with our assessment of the scene Well, I'm fine to move on at this point. Yeah, so I might if Like yeah, I just wanted to make sure we roll on the same page to at least sub degree. It's like, I guess we are Because I just came into the chat you just came into the chat. So you didn't even know what we would wait. No Just How do you know what all I heard where your initial takes at the beginning? Wait, like hours ago or right in any case that doesn't you can't you can't say that you don't even know what our points were They're moving on All right This uh Could easily be considered a contrivance of I suppose so that this this this area has several hallways Ratcatcher has made her way around escaping staro and she ended up seeing Uh what peacemaker has done to a flag.  He's right behind her. He has a gun So theoretically there's just no way she should be able to escape this she pulls her rat Uh device out as well. Um after realizing the whole place is coming down But it's too late. He's already caught up with it, which is reasonable.    You don't have to kill me And I'm not even saying it from like a funny I guess you could say it's funny from other movies perspectives because they don't That they oftentimes don't consider the options, but yeah, this is this is quite serious for peacemaker because it's a girl pleading for her life.  I i'm so ready to see this character like in his show And in addition to that he like that show is being written by james gun Yeah, so it's like hopefully he's being hands off to a shitty writer that doesn't know how to handle him It's like nah, I I have trust in james gun to handle this character now Um, yeah, and he says i'm sorry kid and then we cut to eight minutes earlier Did not see the shot go off because again, there are some people in chat There's one or two of them who literally are running on what we're saying as the storyline They don't actually know what happens and I just i'm doing it for those guys out there. Okay Cut to eight minutes earlier The other half of the team.   Let's find out We got um, they go to the higher levels and they're planting explosives in each one Um, and as they go into the next room with milton, of course, he's there. He's carrying a bag of uh The explosives with him We have king shark is distracted. He finds an aquarium um So I I don't know much about aquariums.  You know what I mean What were these fish as well? Were these like from star or something like the? Oh, well They're experiments, right? Everything's experimental here. So you're supposed to believe these are just so they are they're apparently a uh Like a species called clay racks Because I looked up the soundtrack for the scene and it's titled king shark and the clay racks Oh, all right. So they're actually real. No, they're not real. No, they're wait those things They just No, they they have Dude, if those things were real, we would have heard about them like holy I would have a fish tank full of them.  It's great. Don't put your hand in there. They're such awesome little creatures Yeah, I love they they form together to you know imitate what the form of uh of king shark arrow Or oh, is it supposed to be a king shark? I thought it was like just an arrow like they were they were pointing upwards from the job I think it was just Okay, I think they were forming a king shark shape because it's trying to get to him as new dumb friends It starts running around laughing Yeah, a wonderful scene for king shark. He's just enjoying having friends. I'm so happy for him I'm so happy for him He's so happy with life I felt more for king shark than any character the dce you except for like the best characters in this film By the way, can I just compliment how great the the CGI looks on king shark throughout this entire movie? There isn't yet There isn't one shot where I thought it looked fake or digital or like computerized or whatever. It's just it It looks really good We haven't talked about it as well, but like weasel really Yeah He looks scarily I think like they focused they focused on making weasel as ugly as he did Like just in case the CGI didn't come out. Well, like weasel looks weird. He looks ugly. Yeah, that's the point Yeah Um, I was gonna say look at that. Look at that smile. Look at him. Yeah Oh, he's so happy Okay, particularly when he looks out of the the truck, I would pull it up I don't lose my place in the movie and vlc is a bit touched with that When they zoom very close to him, he looks fantastic the detail on his skin like it's Something else they're getting real good at that. Um So yeah, when you compare it to like black widow, it's like man What's going on?  Oh god security And um, they shoot milton No S and chat Down goes milton A funny thing, right? I only actually noticed milton when they were um Breaking into the into the place.   Oh, yeah Because he's the guy who he's been here for a while.  It's just like You I think polka dot man stands up like out of cover just goes you are joking right now This is this is the exchange I was talking about and when when I said that harley gets a few lines That are actually kind of funny Because it's part of an exchange that's really funny and I think you swap her out with 80 character here And it works. Yeah, it works. Yeah, but also like it actually kind of makes sense for harley for this character to be saying what she's saying in the scene um Yeah, it's like, you know, milton's a very specific name I feel like I'd remember if we met someone called milton, which again feels very relatable.  You don't catch it that often around these parts. I'd imagine also so not to mention She's not the type that would really pay attention to the The guy following them named milton And I don't think if she's even personally met milton like they just Picked her up right before arriving to yotenheim. So yeah, he's not really quick. So it's like it's just makes a lot of sense Yeah, um, and I think that this was the moment Where the actor playing polka dot man finally became an actor to me instead of the weird looking guy who turns up in movies sometimes Um, still don't know his name. Sorry about that.  He's so upset about that Yeah, I I totally sympathize and they don't understand because they're just like, well, I mean who's milton And then yeah, let's pull his leg. Wasn't he back on the truck? Why did he come here? This is the funny thing, right? Like this is what what we do all the time. Like, oh, no Not that poor random dude that we barely know.  Yeah It's one of this great love affair in milton star. I liked him from the beginning And yeah, uh, it's just a nice bit for polka dot man as well because He's like he's like one of this great big love affair happened for milton then and he's like I liked him from the beginning like like there's no You don't have to have a reason to like the guy.  He's a good guy. He's looking out for milton. Yes, he really is It's just so funny to think about it. It's just he just saw these guys kill some some people and when we first see him It's like yeah, I'll hang around.  Well, what's funny is I didn't notice milton at all until Of course, he dies and then I rewatched the last night and yeah milton is there the whole time Um, there's a lot of layers to this joke that works just really really well um But yeah, uh, so more security arrive and um almost by uh, I guess you could say like like muscle memory In a way just reacting polka dot man fires polka dots at them.  Yeah Absolutely phenomenal plot armor once again, uh Because they show them getting tackled out of the way and it's just like shut up Like that's not gonna do it Um, so yeah, of course now we know the context for why the bombs went off early um And the the aquarium above breaks and all the water comes down into the room they're in Uh with king shark and the what did you call them clean access dry racks Fly racks.  Yeah, look, he's with all his friends everybody It's gonna be great. He's so happy. Yeah. Oh jeez. No Uh, I'll play that much because of copyright and then uh, yeah So We got to explain why so like hit them jumping on to him is like, oh man Like, you know, the thing is this guy. He's a tank. So like a fish, you know, we're not really worried about it But I can show you this If if chat if you're looking close. He's got one on his face. Look at that Oh Blood is going everywhere Yeah, we were like see him get hurt for this character We were so when when he found friends Like and not even like friends in 78 quotation marks just that he was happy that he thought he found friends We were we shared in his happiness. We are so on board with just None of a um making it out. Okay. This particular moment terrifying This was yeah, this is never been more tense in a film ever in my life than at this moment When you see like piranha like creatures swarm a character and you see just blood gushing everywhere That's never a good sign. So we were uh, you know, just uh, just to make it clear So we have a guy whose main arc has been about trying to find friends And so he finds these little things and it's like, oh look they're friends. They're like my buddies And then they freaking attack him at the first opportunity. It's like man.  Yeah, so Imagine this experience happening to a child Yeah, what is he thinking and you know just to just to make it clear, you know, batman be superman when like You know, batman's about to like skewer superman And like it's meant to be oh I cared much much more much more about king shark's fate Just considerably more than the fate of superman in that scene or Basically in any of the other films up until this point.  Please. Please. Please. Please. Jesus christ Yeah, this is so unfair.  I love him. He's funny. He's he's endearing You know that semester solos voices Doing a lot for this character as well.  I know they exist out there.  It's just a shock. We will explain in full when we get to talking about these characters till the end Exactly what makes them so endearing. All right, just for anybody out there who's confused I think a lot of people feel for the shock in chat. So it's uh Won't need a lot of explaining but we'll definitely do it because I have lots to say on all of them but um portion of the building is blown up and so It tilts and we get a split second shot of this I yeah, they just swam through all that. It's like, wow I'm trying to save him. Well, I was just gonna say this is actually my favorite moment for harley quinn in all three movies. Yeah Well, yeah Yeah, I love oh, yeah, but it doesn't make any sense that they could go through the water with those fish everywhere, man I don't care. I'm just glad that she's trying to help king shark.  Her character is if her character was given that chance with her the plot being as it is I mean, that's a yeah characters doing what it's doing. Um, yeah This is the thing that you said I pointed out, right? Like Yes, this is like the most likable I'm not sure You I'm not 100% sure I caught it when I was watching it But you I think you repeated that she was trying to help king shark and it's just like that's enough for me to be like All right Where she just goes out of her way to try saving someone that's like so rare or with her character in any of these The dawn's light shineth upon her.    Um And he just he just sinks into himself It's just heartbreaking seeing him get hurt.   There's like just a tiny bit of relief like okay. He's like he's covering his face.  There's no way. There's no way the volley doesn't Yeah, it's more than I thought it was actually on one of these shots if I could just get it again the exterior one It's like 30 to 50 like So close It's insane Not one person scores ahead. He's so dead. Yeah. Look at the sparks. There was this right next to his head Look at that shot.  Yeah, if you have it Yeah, all those guys are astronomical that they would all miss Yeah, that is also some people are just curious about his armor. So we don't know At any point in this movie if his arm is good enough to block bullets It's uh, yeah, all we know is his helmet can block a hit to concrete or at least absorb it So like but Harley on the other hand. Yeah, Harley's just dead Also, even if you were hitting you had armor you could potentially fall off He's like holding like by just the slightest of grips if he falls the nuts it as well So very lucky that was there from the grab on too Well, well, so unless unless your armor is made of something like vibranium, right? Which can absorb all kinds of kinetic energy um Bullets when they hit armor We'll still like have a sort of like uh like a it'll knock you around So this would have knocked him down and he would have fallen to his death. Well. Yeah, sure Um, I just don't I don't even if you would ask me is his suit entirely bulletproof. I've been like, I don't think so I just I didn't think it was um, they don't show any sparks when this is happening on his suit Yeah, he just doesn't get hit to my understanding.  Yeah, I mean my answer is I don't know Yeah, I I can't Yeah, I would I would just say that it looks like he wasn't hit because there's just no Bark or clip or or scratch or anything. He's just and you can see them appearing around him, but not on him He's a lucky boy Um, and yeah, uh, apparently someone needed clarification. Yeah, so king shock. This is if official definitive information He's immune to bullets. He's strong enough to deflect bullets Um, and so earlier like I said, it doesn't really matter if he was using stun or lethal rounds king shock would have survived them and someone's Trying to tell me that bullets don't have much power to knock you around So what I mean by that is he's dangling off of this ledge here and if he gets hit by into those bullets, they're still Uh, you know, they're still kinetic energy. They're still concussive impact to them We should be seeing some shot and you're wearing a bulletproof vest.   Because that's theoretically possible, I assume that if It's themselves aren't sure but Because I check for these things and this is the jet the first first time they ever appeared in any of the dcu stuff. So Yeah, guess they're just teeth It's very powerful teeth. Well, the thing that when you invent a fantasy creature All we can do is people think that's a stretch. It's just like what do you want me to do? It's made up. It's like saying nanotech's a stretch. It's just like it is a stretch It just is But like we're being told in a sci-fi environment. Is it something they invented? The important thing is that it's just internally consistent doesn't break something else and it doesn't really as far as I can tell You rank it in like a power level It's like so if those things ever buy anything in future and fail to cut through and it's something that's weaker than king shark Then we would be like so that's fucked Um, and yeah, there's got to be something to this like with physics and how bullets work versus Sharp like knives or whatever. There's got to be something um To in terms of how they apply their force and their penetration.  He's okay. He's getting back into it guys. He's he's not dead Gonna be all right And in fact, he's pretty chill after he's gnawing on the guy's head I was half expecting him to like just rip through all these guys Yeah, uh Like by himself and I would have liked that but then he just kills one dude and is just gnawing on his head Like an apple and I was all right with that too. It's fine. It was a would have preferred full carnage Um, yes, yeah, then we get a cool moment But again logistically confusing They start to tilt more than ever and that is when they get their opportunity to start running up the other side We were like, yeah, this is like the worst. Okay. Is the least leverage you've ever had Yeah, it's not even a struggle to stand up.  Her leaps are hilarious.  She does like 30 foot jumps. It's like, how do you do this without superpowers? That is so strange. Yeah, that's uh, that is ridiculous And so I'm sure that someone else's already brought this up and I apologize if I just wasn't paying attention, but like they uh, it wasn't that steep when they were struggling and then it's getting steeper and steeper That incline and they're able to run up it easily. Like really? Okay, it's called a plot slope. It's as steep as the plot needs it to be So polka dot man lands on a secure bit of debris. Um, she climbs up after she's got a javelin in the wall and gets it out Unfortunately the debris that um good old blood sport is on is not reliable And he falls and he activates his grapple And uh slams into a wall and loses his helmet.  Yeah. Um, but this and this plot armor that takes me out of honestly everything in this sort of stuff, but um In terms of just being like so they should be dead They should be dead But this one was one of the most like jarring in terms of me being invested him his his grapple hook breaking I care about him quite a bit blood sport And I know that despite the plot armor this movie anyone can still die at any point as soon as james gun decides it So i'm still worried about him And so his grapple breaks and he falls significantly far enough that I now know As as as how gravity works. He has to be saved in some way shape or form that isn't just landing But he lands And he just lads and he's like, oh a few and i was like, what the That was very high It's like four stories and it's like that would definitely break your legs or you would not be standing up to not if you Oh, you're dead.   I just we'll move on to the next one. Don't worry So When when um when this started happening I was like is he going to flatten peacemaker? Is he about to like is this rubble that So all of yeah, all of us didn't say it, but we all had the same concern Which is he starts falling level by level by level with a platform underneath him growing, you know by one platform every every level And so probably like which is insane that that happens.  I was just I don't blame you. Yeah, it looks it looks like looty tunes and tom and jerry here like It's that exterior shot that does it for me where you just see the floor Falling down Yeah, and then I was worried like oh Is he actually gonna flatten peacemaker and save ratcatcher?  That was the nightmare scenario that we none of us None of us said because we were all just paying attention because we knew that that that sort of confrontation is coming But so he's just falling and falling and we like you could picture the frame of peacemaker just getting flattened And that could be it but um no he lands peacemaker sees him And uh, this is one of the moments of all he has zero context for why any of this has taken place But he sees peacemaker is aiming a gun at ratcatcher too And I think you know which side bloodsport's gonna take by in-stage And uh peacemaker knows that too. So they both take aim and shoot at the exact same time And um, I guess I'll try and let it play here and uh, then we can have a chat about it Oh boy. Oh, well. Yeah, give us a sec.   So I feel like a better version of a scene And I can't give full specifics is like if uh, if there's like a door or a doorway or something and We know that bloodsport is established to be in this exact area Um, I could see him just simply rounding the corner and Happening upon them in this room like no matter How we change the scene bloodsport has to happen upon peacemaker and ratcatcher too There are solutions for all of this.  It's the part that takes a while It's the part you have to wrestle with for a while to get all this stuff working Or you could just have him fall through a bazillion fucking floors Right to the exact confrontation that we would all like to see and see what happens And you could just do that I guess. Um, could you do that? So, yeah, a scene should be over the top to work. It is a masterpiece of excess. I disagree That's just okay, so anyway, um Now both of these guys at the top of their game That's how they've been described and they said they aim for the center My take on this scene Talk ball about it if you want the way this makes sense to me and I said this is in the recording straight away It's just like this makes so much sense to me. I believe they both aim For the center of the eye like between the two eyes the bullets connect nanotech piercing beats The the bullet he's got there whatever rags. What kind of bullets that is the cold Thing the the nanotech bullet. No the other one Is that a holo point 45? a holo point 45 Um, and so it smacks through because they're both hyper accurate Which means they're both going to shoot pretty much the exact same direction if they're uh It's just gonna be dead on is my point And then the clash of the bullet is enough to put the nanotech bullet off By a slight margin putting it into a peacemaker's neck um Unless you would argue that they both aim for each other's guns to try and destroy them and disarm them and that it was just successful Um, but that seems to be the best explanation for me to make this payoff happen Is that they both tried to kill each other by shooting both of each other directly between the eyes the bullets clash One of them is victorious as Was said as in their opening lines to each other And then it just puts it off course enough that it goes into peacemaker's neck Um, but I think it's 357 actually Thoughts know it's 50 automatic right right that they established that because he's got a deagle Which means it shoots either 50 or a 357, but I think he says 50 right or was that no, I'm thinking of the movie you showed me uh, uh, yeah, uh So I probably 50 or a 357.  Yeah, and he says, uh Um, how and he says smaller bullets, which is what He's keeper told him in the beginning. It was a nice little, uh, setup payoff Especially with nano tech bullets. It makes sense that those would likely be smaller um Meme just posted it's all good. I'll take my apology at a month when y'all come to your senses So we are Uh, 20 minutes away from the end of this movie and there's nothing we've said so far that I think requires clarification in terms of pros and cons So, you know, let me know Not to mention that we've gone over a lot of problems like we're a lot of them I think we're being very fair here or not just gushing about this I'm I'm still like torn because there's there's more good in this movie that I remembered and I definitely I want it to be more distant from the rest of the dceu in terms of like ratings Well, it's hard because this plot we're at the point of so many payoffs that I think just give it a Sec, we'll we'll have all chats about that in a second, but I was just gonna say what it So what's everyone thinking about this particular payoff? What do you think so? I think um, I think we talked about earlier how like there's meant to be this sort of Not a direct mirror, but like that rat catcher, you know kind of reminds him of his daughter I think it's like a pretty clear parallel here in terms of like what he values um In terms of this situation because yeah, like you said he has no context for this But he immediately commits to this decision and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that he would do this I think it's a cool payoff. It's a shame how we got there But um Thoroughly in character for both of them. There's no problems there.  I'm just like what would happen. Let's see And it'd be like, I mean, it's none of their fault that this is the plot It's not really like what can we say about them? It's just it's just uh Someone's asked about like about wouldn't wouldn't peacemaker be dead And I think all I'd say is like, I don't know people have survived Like being shot even shot in the neck maker did it's it's pretty clear that he died this scene Well, yeah, peacemaker's definitely dead. Oh, I I guess that's one we could skip forward on if you guys want to There's no real reason not to Earlier we mentioned a movie called extraction we did and extraction has a similar thing happen Um, well, um, it's it's ambiguous as to whether Tyler Tyler takes more damage than a peacemaker does, right? He's shot. Is it three times or two times? Um He's shot once but the sniper and then another time in the neck by the yeah, and then he falls into the into the water Um, it's by a much bigger bullet. It looks this looks that's thing. This looks like a tinier bullet It it probably gets slowed down a bit by the there's a the thing that works against this is that a lot of blood's coming out Yeah He's also not getting medical attention immediately and none of that southpaw.  Oh, yeah It is very contrived that he is alive. Yeah So I like Tyler rake a lot and I will watch extraction too. I'm hoping it's a prequel if it's a sequel I'm gonna be a bit bummed out what I thought we're talking about piece. Well, but I'm I'm I'm trying to like just sort of drop parallel here. Um, Uh, I it's like with peacemaker I'll be are we just gonna let the cat out of the bag about Whether or not he survives this is that is that already basically I think so. Yeah There's no reason to hide that one. Um piece maker does is in a hospital by the end of this film. Um He's getting a show. That's a sequel to this. Yeah Uh The thing all we needed to determine was is it possible that he could have survived this and everyone in chat Feels the need to tell me that people have been shot and survived. It's like I am aware of this I five everybody. I am very aware of this. Do you know how likely that is? And that means no, John Cena is incredibly lucky And what what's that you all the very if you get shot and live It's likely because you get medical attention pretty quickly But something like this where you lose that much blood You're left for dead for that long and in the building that's crumbling is just I don't Have gotten out of there the big thing is that star where it came out of here like that Yeah, well to be honest with you that might actually be more of a problem than I previously realized because Let's just get these shots It looks like he pops out where John Cena's body was Yeah, so you've been you've been shot in the neck and then a kaiju fucking 9 11's the building that you're You're in so 11 11 it flies into the building More like it's more of a reverse sign 11 because it flies out of the building So it's just this is how I'm how I'm feeling about both this in extraction too Like I like the character and I'll be happy to see more of him But plot wise this is bullshit. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, if you compare those two shots I think John Cena is dead very dead This is obliterated There's nothing he's doing about that He's He's squibs There's no yeah, there's no way this is worse than I thought it was like he's dead. Yeah Or giblets. We went from in extreme unlikely hood to no, that's just a hole now Yeah, that's impossibility He is a puddle of blood like he is what we saw happen to Peter Capaldi. That just happened to John Cena Yeah Agents on the island that they didn't tell him about and they just happened to pull his body away before star got out and That's split second Well, I mean, you know, it's not a plot hole Maybe when he got flung a piece of debris got lodged in his neck to like seal the wound I fell onto a mattress Yes, it was no it was it was the air mattress crew from Sherlock remember that. Oh, yeah, that was That was a great little little meme Yeah, that's the plot hole.  This is highlighting precisely like the main issue with this film plot is absurd But like this doesn't hurt peacemaker as a character And he's he's as you said with any games there are times where it does There are times where they force characters to make stupid decisions in order to make certain plot things happen But this movie's been pretty lucky, dare I say in the all of these prop problems for the most part I don't I don't know. Uh, you haven't finished the film yet.  I don't know. He has a gun on someone He chooses to close the distance and that's how he dies.  Yeah, um, especially if we got that like, you know, several times We'd be like so peacekeepers done maker is done Um, so, yeah, starro erupts from the building giant starfish and it's very much a moment, um He gets out of there the everyone sort of managed to make room for it, but it frees frames of it just says suicide squad versus starro Which is fun. It's cool. It's just a cool job. Yeah crazy starfish Streaming there's um, I was I was on smud cast once just one thing quick The human body can take much more than most people think of it has protective systems people can also suddenly die Because that's how shitty the human body can be twofold. It's it's really twofold. Some people survive Incredibly dangerous things and other people die over very spontaneous combustion Like with action movies, um It is just a kind of like a convention of the genre now that the action hero is going to have a A slightly bigger health bar at the very least But there's limits to this um What's funny is I was on I was on uh smud cast when I found out about the existence of starro like from the comics, um And I thought that was intensely amusing and so to actually see starro in a live action film uh like this is uh Oh, man.  We are not the comic people Okay, so this is this is gonna maybe offend even you but it's just so funny to me Some people are very upset with how poorly they've adapted starro Because starro is supposed to be much stronger than this and he's supposed to be a justice league enemy Not a suicide squad enemy.  Let's see king shark king shark is doesn't have a childlike brain in the comics So he is quote unquote assassinated in this adaptation I'll do you want some better. I don't care Yeah None of these characters almost none of these characters are consistent with the comics We don't care. They're good characters in their own right adaptation I'm sorry that your giant starfish from space called starro wasn't treated more reverently. Well, the funny thing is right I'm just gonna be starro with this.  He's kind of a top tier dceu villain He's a top tier dceu villain. He's better than steppin wolf. He's better than he's better than lex luther He's better than zon. He's better than all of these guys. Well, this is all the worst starro in this film.  However, he doesn't have the World breaking shit that max lord has either but he also there is that final line that we get from We'll get there and I was gonna say I'm not gonna spoil it. I'm thinking about max lord is if you remember when we were watching it We got lost on max lord around like early third act. We didn't know what he was doing At first and then yeah, he fell off a cliff Well, and then there's been lines of dialogue that starro has spoken through the people that he's possessed with like the mini starfish um that You know shows a bit of this again This is a a monster that has been or an alien rather Um an alien that's been held prisoner in this yotenheim lab for 30 years and has been tortured by the thinker It's like this is a kind of tragic force of nature that we're dealing with here um And the way that he speaks through people is uh very haunting.  Yeah Yeah, what if it was a female starfish? Starly And here's the thing right you can still see Oh, sorry. Oh, uh, so in this no, no, no Oh, yeah, so um in this you can still see why starro is a good justice league villain even if um by necessity of this group He might be a bit weaker because you can see a he's got all the he's already a big kaiju So that's already like a worthy team threat But b he's got the whole mind controlling innocent people thing which would Introduce interesting conflicts. So the core components of starro to me are still there.  Zack snider chose not to use starro. So bringing in starro now Um, you kind of have to make these concessions if you still want to play in this shitty god forsaken necrotic universe Let's let's go through. Let's examine. Okay. So rags only cares what chocolate starfish is not true clean your butt Rags complains about amazon lord of the rings. Just say the source material doesn't matter All right, so this is what's called applying your rules equally to everything. That's why that's what that's why we call it God forbid a standard, right? If amazon lord of the rings Doesn't adhere to the source material, but it is in and of itself good Then we will say exactly the same Darn thing that we say for everything else. It is good and it is a bad adaptation Is that will be that and it will not change because we are consistent You could make that argument for any book or comic to movie and we often do. Thank you Shining is a horrible adaptation. That's still a good movie. Hey, hey evan batman the animated series Its version of the joker is terrible and i'll tell you why because in the comics He doesn't have a girlfriend named harley quinn Damn Yeah, exactly or that he's not adhering like he's not adhering to the fifties comics where he was all goofy This is the problem with using comics. Is there arbitrary since like there's so many different comics and iterations of characters So there's no consistency really yeah so The big one for me and i feel like i have to bring this up every time A lot of people like hill house holding a hill house people lots of big fans that hold in the hill house All's great. It's good. It's good. All's good.   There's a lot of 2s and 3s and 1s.  This is a common sentiment Holding a hill house practically spat on these source material.   So it must be awesome. Yeah, I feel like What the hell No climb as to whether it's a good or bad thing to be different. It is a neutral thing It could either be good or bad Yeah, you could be different and be good and different or be terrible Just go something is the same as something else or different than something else that in and of itself isn't enough to work with Yeah, see that's our point that it's actually irrelevant whether it's different Like that's the point I mean it inherently will be different to an effect because like if you're adapting a book or a comic Like you're changing the media form. So you're gonna there's going to be certain changes that you make Yeah Can I can I can I really like something that you you sent me a while back the the idea of Take lord of the rings, right? We have the same peter jackson movie trilogy But in the 1800s there was a comic book called lord of the rings and Everything is the same except that the fellowship are all women of varying histories and saurons also a woman And saruman's also a woman Okay, now peter jackson comes along and makes this film series But it's exactly the same as we see it the fellows like the characters are not women. They're men So that's not faithful to this suppose this hypothetical like version of lord of the rings.    They're not gonna say lord the rings is bad now They might say it's disrespectful and it's built on a really shitty history, but they're still phenomenal movies and phenomenal books I'm sorry the existence of a comic book that is entirely different wouldn't change a thing in terms of how much people love those stories Yeah, I don't I don't give it Hollywood what I don't I'd say it's the opposite of turning We don't give a shit about like what came first Yeah To clarify the point in case people were confused Imagine the lord of the rings the book and then lord of the rings the films that came out by peter jackson And we're like, oh man, it's amazing and a great adaptation Then imagine there's a secret history that the lord of the rings the books was actually based on a hidden comic from like a hundred years prior Does all of that content retroactively become bad because you discovered that it's a bad adaptation The answer is no Yeah, we we've said it before the secret history is real An analogy Yeah, so hypotheticals aren't real. That's part of what a hypothetical is Jesus Why god damn James things quality and it's adaptation accuracy. Those are two different things Just you're just gonna have to accept that I don't know how much more simple this could be because lord of the rings is like super beloved So what if I just said the book lord of the rings? It's the matrix you read it It's like so this is just the matrix. How did you peter jackson?   They're fucked. They're gone.  It needs to it. It's its own thing. Well, yeah, we just eventually appreciate It's such a remind people of what we do here Yeah That's a hypothetical that changes the order of things. That's a cheat. No, no, no, no, no, no So the the point is that like If you How can something change in quality based on the existence of something else? Well, wait, I can help you it's like from before it It's almost like their argument is you've retroactively invented this thing So the the results would would have been different because that didn't happen You know what did happen the hillhouse one and look what happened. It's praised. I'm sorry. This happens People don't always read the source and so they can't criticize the adaptation They just watch it and assume if a whole generation of people watch the movies without realizing There's any books for lord of the rings.  I watched the movie It's like oh the the movie is amazing. I'm gonna read the book and then I read a book and it's different It's like, ah the movie's bad now. It's like that's just not how how is that possible? How was that in any way a system that can work? and then Like I don't you want an adaptation to be better than the source material and would that not therefore necessitate change In least no, I want it to be no We're already highlighting There's like 17 arguments that destroy the adaptation thing is a standard because of what you've just highlighted A bad comic should it be adapted faithfully and then does it become good content? Because it was adapted faithfully from a bad comic You are defending legalized theft and vandalization moller Well, it's the thing I'm I'm not against that as a possibility. I think that we should be consistent call hillhouse of vandalization then Exactly, but it's a great story. It's a great piece of content. Yeah vandalization or not. Yeah I mean if we but the problem is that I get the impression that the person who said that would not accept that statement of It's fantastic vandalization. Maybe but it's fantastic Like there is a want for it to be like, well, no, it's not good because it's a bad adaptation I just I don't think that that's if that's not what you want That's a totally different story and that's totally fine because people have preferences There's a bit of a difference between projecting that preference onto the quality of the story itself That's entirely all of this comes back to staro should have been stronger like should he have been Should he yes, that's a that's an interesting word should ought Um someone highlighted by the way, and I'm just showing it now uh the Smoke that comes from the two guns of these characters Uh I think on blood sports It's uh, I don't I dare I say this it's more normal. I don't really know what's normal for smoking part of a gun um, but peacemakers I showed it briefly that I want to get a better shot for people. Yeah. Oh, that's huge Well, it not only is it huge. Oh my good god kind of looks like an eagle Oh Yeah, that's kind of if I could just show it again.  He's shooting Just a stack on a real desert eagle because it can't shoot through everything, but it's still pretty good He shoots through most things Well, you see blood sport shot through a bullet that came out of a gun that can shoot through anything That's pretty impressive. I missed it again.  Look at that Yeah, that seems very deliberate I like it. Oh, yeah Yeah That's awesome. That's cool. Wow Freedom That's what that is. It's a neat little small detail man. Talk about a neat thing. Yeah, good good shout from chat Yeah, I never noticed that and I saw someone with a sad face and chest saying I really want to know what happens next because we were like They follow the storyline through this Like like the bar scene in this movie and then that person in chat is king shark sitting in the van Oh, come on. It's okay chat. All right. Yeah for those out there. Let us let us continue the staro gets out Yeah, and releases as was shown prior in the movie the uh, like little staros Let her know before that you gotta highlight they they unload on with guns all over him to shoot He's a yeah, he seems to be immune to bullets Yes, his entire body his his arms his eye his body just bulletproof completely bulletproof that one Yes, just want to point that out. No. Yeah, that's good. It's fair.  It's uh, yeah, you get there are like thousands And at one point rat catch two puts her mask on and so This little thing these things tear your flesh apart and apparently just gives up. It's like, uh, you've got a mask on don't mind Like oh, man, literally It's a it's a metaphor for corona Just put a mask on put the mask on So she puts that on and it fails and then she tells our team.  That is it. I feel like that's just the obvious thing to do is to cover your mouth once you see Yeah, absolutely.  Jesus Christ?  Oh, you're so lucky. That's the only time that staro does that right? That's the only time that he spams like the the mini stars when he could have done that throughout the entire third act. It's like Yes, um There's nothing to really give away why he didn't keep especially when he was attacked by the suicide squad at soon after I don't know if it's on some kind of timer. He generates offspring over. Well, not offspring. Whatever these things are considered um But there is At least in this moment, they all survive that mysteriously Um, but suarez is down the military leader, which means the remaining military people are now in charge And because again these guys are apparently hyper retarded.  Uh, do we know the current situation with superman?  We do not know no clue Um, it's so that's a lot a lot of people say he is for the sake of this It will to help the movie sure you could say he's in the icu but that is incredibly convenient that he's apparently still in there and uh, I guess he's just indefinitely in there because how long ago was blood sport put in prison for that Well, think about it, right? Superman recovered from the kryptonite fart gas rather quickly And he was cut by a kryptonite spear and he recovered from that fairly quickly as well But I guess it depends where the bullet Hit him or where how do you know where it got in and how do you perform? Well, I actually how would you perform surgery on him and I actually said this in a call But like this could make for a really interesting movie But like what if he was shot? And I don't know if people are aware that he draws power from the sun in the dc universe yet But what if like the doctors the government and everyone they gather him and they take him inside to work on him So he he's not got the sun to help him recover quickly And so he's like in a an extended state of unconsciousness while the kryptonite bullet is still in there and And then the government are considering whether or not they want to remove it You know, there's there's a story that story. Yeah, he's he seems to be incapacitated Is that for better or worse? well, so Or because they because they can't Operate on him. I guess or they don't know how he just has to naturally heal. So that takes a while I don't know. This is all up in the air. Yeah, we got nothing for it. Well, we got nothing. We don't know This is an I don't know territory Rags question like how you could operate on him, but they still have the kryptonite spear, don't they? So if batman has the spear and he knows that superman isn't the icu then surely he would Like bring the spear over and maybe if that just even if you could even if you have that Seems like it would just hurt him even more I wouldn't be surprised if normal stuff operate on him works better on him when he's under the influence of kryptonite as well Right, like there's a chance of scalpel might work when he's got kryptonite Maybe he could be because he's an alien and maybe they just know he's stable So they don't want to fuck around with him. This thing.   So this is the thing. Um, I think it's fair Relatively to rule out batman. So I'm not sure you can get you're in time Um to have seen him but the others I would rule out batman Well, because you'll have like a bat, you know, plain whatever, but uh, I don't know that's enough And I don't know wonder woman doing a standard flight is enough to get here in time I I think shazam should be able to get here in time probably Flash definitely that's a similar even here's about it. Well, if you're taking a nap if you're just yeah, yeah if they're asleep, obviously Yeah, I mean This is in central america and it's daytime. It'd be a daytime in america. So you're probably awake Probably but even even if you were awake if you're not watching the news that much Because this is like 20 minutes. Yeah, it does. That's the one thing the movie has going for is this conflict starting starts and stops relatively quickly But there is a concern That uh, this would alert some people Um, they would they would know after the fact But I'm totally fine with the idea that no one is either close enough or aware enough soon enough that they would be able to Get here You know what I actually think would be kind of funny is if like after star was defeated Zachary Levi's shazam shows up. Yeah, and he's like, oh gosh, you know Oh, you guys have already gotten this taken care of and it would fit for shazam. I guess to act that way I'm feeling my superman superman had to fight side by side with a person who put him in the icu Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah. Oh nice. Yeah. Yeah um So, yeah, uh, it seems like starro kind of Let some go. It's like this is my world or this is my city or whatever He says it's a suicide squad and then walks away without crushing them And so I'm fine. Well, so this is the thing Um, you might as a as a as a viewer of this film be like star. Why aren't you killing them? But like you could infer that starro could easily Believe and kind of know to a degree that they're the reason he's released Yeah, and they are Um, maybe it's just like look you don't bother me. I don't bother you Maybe Yeah, just if you think about all of this from starro's perspective All these weirdos show up the building breaks. My captor is Delivered under me so I could kill him and get my revenge These army guys you don't seem to be friends with them Well, especially if it gets the knowledge of the people it takes over it would know that the suicide squad did actually release him Yes, um technically Yes, as far as the people yeah as far as the uh El Salvadorans, were they conquista marista? Um conquistadors ultimultesi A corto multis The the falconese people. Yeah, they just as far as their Yeah, the the suicide squad showed up to release starro or break him out or something. Who knows but yeah Which is fine. Yeah, I'm fine two clarifications that are worthwhile So first why does starro send a star to possess ratcatcher 2 and the rest of them if he's chill with them?  I think this deserves dialogue I think I Yeah, he could be like I appreciate what you've done, but that's where it like, you know, this is the last chance you have Especially with final line. I feel like as much as I really like it It sort of means that it deserves more dialogue with if you know Yeah, i'm really kind of I like it and i'm also asked in the questions. Yeah. Yeah Forgot to mention, um, if superman had been able to show up He could have sent starro into space Well, that's a shame, isn't it? Yeah That's the thing I restored him to equilibrium. Well, that was uh, that's to be discussed It's like someone might ask like wait. Well, so why is starro doing this?  That's the thing If you remember all of he's been tortured for three decades or something.  Um Where are you It's uh, it's basically the the suicide squad are like now what? And um, they ask waller like well, they tell waller first of all what's happening And she doesn't really seem to be that surprised. She's kind of just like well, you know Um, and then they're like suggesting that they try and do something about it And she says if anything the white house will consider fomenting a hostile environment in a developing nation a positive development Which is not true at all. I don't know like this this This specific context.  I wouldn't stop at that city. Just fyi I mean, I would further believe the us would just be like launch a nuke.   Um I still think that other governments governments would be like we should probably do something about that starfish I feel like the easy one is you know, us has never had particularly great relationships with cuba If cuba was being destroyed by a giant alien starfish I feel like they'd want to do something about it before it gets to miami. Yeah, I think of what it could do for Yeah, they'd be like, yeah, we could send it could improve foreign relations by saving them from the giant starfish Secondly, it's taking human prisoners as like it's like You know assimilating them. That is a terrifying prospect to any government.   It's like superman.  It's not up to waller. It's not up to her The justice league will stop it Well, eventually tell the man that lowest lane is in that area Tell tell superman that he can destroy as much as he wants to to kill this thing and he'll be like, all right I'm on it. Yeah Now let me get to eat it Yeah, and this is the wall is Seemingly high up in the government, but she's still beholden to like people in the pentagon from the first movie So that means yeah, there's going to be someone who outclasses her Someone's got to pay the bills or she is Yeah Is the is the eye because like you can't argue that she's not telling anybody it's the well It's on the news. So the government are going to be away not to say by the way I'm not sure the government would have scrambled anything to get here within the time that it takes to kill it And so that's fine for a plot view.  Yeah, I don't believe that Yeah, I think it'd be funny if uh staro just like Wandered into the ocean and it just sank and then it started fighting aquaman and all the kingdoms that are down the ocean Giant starfish destroys aquaman's lances. Yeah, that'd be great It takes takes down the rest of the crab kingdom that was not killed by aquaman um So the suicide squad decides to leave and then blood sport has a bit of a change of heart And he's like, oh fuck's sake.  Yeah, okay. If she kills me for this fine. Like I I can't not do it Uh on a principled level.   Just like stab the sort of Yay And then he's like we're go friends He's going to join them too And then Harley has a realization about the the javelin And uh, polka dot man goes with them as well.   No moller. She gets randomly knocked out. Remember? So this is wit I I was gonna say I didn't want to go ahead of it ahead of time, but why would someone call that random? That's that's bizarre That's something that they call that at least twice set up Yeah, and and they're explicit like these they say like these lackeys of hers are like when this Is limits. Oh boy.  We have to do everything. We kind of help them It's like yay, of course, they knocked waller out.  So might as well try shooting at it, right? Yeah, we've already seen that it's immune uh to regular blows with with trying and yeah And he has this this whole seed where he's Attaching pieces and pieces of the nanotech is slowly building up the gun and I just want to say Uh, when we were watching this movie Capital opinions was not a fan of the the nanotech stuff. What this seed happened. I was like, no, I love it You know, it's it's that it's the kind of uh transforming technology like an iron man or like the transformers movies Like the first transformers movie is is fun to watch because of all the little moving parts and iron man as well has has that little I don't know. It's aesthetically pleasing to look at in Um blood sports gun has the same sort of thing going for it. Yeah And uh, I actually saw uh, because this is obviously an isolated vision of this on youtube just the clip of it And um, so what are the colors to say in the spinning end is apparently like a thing for weaponry where it'll It'll help with the kickback and knockback and stuff as a form of a gyrosphere gyroscope or something I don't know if you know anything about this rags. I I don't know anything about it, but maybe That is apparently it's not it's not just style is apparently reasoning involved with that even even if it's that's not real I can at least buy that even in like at least in a internal comic book logic sort of sense Yeah, you could probably invent any kind of reason sci-fi wise for why that's doing that.  He starts giving everybody he does a captain america moment from avengers Where's um, except he wasn't prompted by Iron Man. He just went he says Harley go high uh King shock start trying to eat it And polka dot man.   Go high That must be it. That's all I can gather. Harley's Harley's wire jumps too is uh, oh, yeah, that's another epic wire jump Um, all right Yeah, here we go I'll just get it get it right So that's one of my favorite deliveries Interest album is fantastic throughout this movie, but uh, yeah, he's really good. And yeah, just The polka dot man's face.   Oh destroying built Um, oh, it's it's honestly a really good payoff Yeah, so polka dot man Gets his courage up and attacks his mother Breaks off a leg which in reality is one of staros Uh, what are they called on a starfish one of its things 10 leg leg Schloss And it's screaming and we get a payoff for polka dot man. He shouts i'm a superhero which is You know, that's what his mom wanted. That's what all this happened for and he actually does care about people So he's not a guy who vomits polka dots and has to struggle in prison and stuff He's a guy who actually is oh my god starfish arms are called rays Oh, I didn't know that look at what? Rays so ray. I didn't know okay But yeah, yeah, he uh, he destroys evil monsters. He cares about random people He seems to be a he is a superhero to me. He likes milton. Yeah. Yeah And uh, so the dc used first superhero. Yes, and then this happens Um Oh, yeah rip and um, just get full. I feel exactly the same way as blood sport Just yeah, he's gone Um And there's a question the question is how do they not see staro coming into well, so it's more of um They have constant plot armor and then star decided i'm gonna kill you now Yeah, um Because last time I tried to hit blood sport. They did notice it. I'm gonna give it to to polka dot man He wasn't looking he was he was looking at his leader saying i'm a superhero. I'm a motherfucking super and then Be proud of me. Well, it's staro must have like moved very quickly and silently. I guess I'm not sure how far away he was Uh, because if you look at the next shot, it looks like he leaned over staro. So Um, yeah Sad face, uh, it's one of those death rows thinking about could we not have kept him alive?  I don't know if It's fine to disclose. We can talk about that a little bit later. Well, something that doesn't happen I should be all right. Well, no, that's the point, isn't it? If you if you say what could have happened then that confirms that didn't happen in this version So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna just put a pin in that then so just So yeah staro's like doing a roar of I guess celebration for killing polka dot man and grabbing king shark and toss him into a building And then uh, we get what's pretty cool scene. I wish you were a little bit longer Sorry, I'm ignoring the Harley plot armor scene.  You should be dead again. But whatever your harlequin She's fine or about it.  Yeah, I like it Um, I wish you were a little longer because it was really cool to see that he has a I like it when characters have a sword on back up Rather than their primary when they do jobs like what blood sports are doing because there's gonna be a time where that might come in Super handy like it did there and uh, I can believe he would carry a retractable sword basically sure But yeah, and then rat catcher tries to do something she's drawing way too much attention And so staro goes to wipe her out and he tackles her out of the way to save her And then well, it's just throughout the scene really got some crazy levels of plot armor because There's a lot. This is much like that other scene earlier two modes to go on first consistency we spend a good five minutes of Probably around that of staro not crushing these two When he probably should and would Um, yes, he's got a he's got a minion saying this city is mine to them. I don't know if that's staro trying to say go away Yeah, like rather than just crushing areos being very unclear with exactly what he wants considering that it can talk to them So it's like you'd think you'd try to be a little bit more clear or even have a dialogue with them but it just doesn't yeah, and then rat catches Free long enough to essentially pull in every rat that's likely on this island Yeah, that's a lot of rats. Um, like good god It's a lot of rats Holy Yeah, um, they'll that's gotta be like hundreds of thousands, right? If not nearly like look a lot of rats I wouldn't be able to estimate it properly because there's just too many like Um, but of course they crawl it all over bloodspot. He's losing his mind But uh rat catches got her arm over him and they start crawling all the way up staro And um, I think we get this is where it sort of cuts in she's uh, she's tearing up And we get a we get a quick thing on what she's thinking about which is her dad And I love this. I love this so much. I think everybody loves the line. Uh, so we we cut to them just being together and uh Basically she asks him why rats assuming you have many options and uh He says that uh rats are like the most despised and lowliest of creatures in the world And so if they have purpose then so do we all It's a really great one. It's the one line that taika waititi gets in the whole movie. He nails it. There's only one. Yeah This is the thing. I like his work.   Um, I'm I am now to believe that this javelin is A form of a fantasy javelin like it's got a sharpness to it. That's not like a normal javelin Yeah, it is a special javelin from a guy called javelin. So I'm fine with it being special Remember like her tech to control rats is insane like that And so it's just like, yeah, can you believe that this is a special javelin? And I think maybe the second question comes in of well, but wouldn't it have been nice to have had that line in there somewhere? So I'm going to be like, why'd you use a javelin? He's like, this is a very special javelin can cut through anything That that literally It depends on how you execute that line But yeah every day javelin I mean, it looks just like this is the thing There's literally nothing implying that it isn't until this scene when it all of a sudden becomes magic So it's like that was my problem. I was like, wait a minute. If you rewatch the movie knowing it's the sharpest javelin ever Nothing changes True enough. I get well sharpest Not normal not well. Yeah, again fantasy javelin. It's the sharpest javelin's ever been because it's From nowhere She got it from a super villain super hero who is javelin I can buy that it implies his javelin is a special one because it's the only one he's got and he it's his namesake True enough I'm settled on it until they give me a reason not to think that that's the case It's a special javelin until they say no, it's just a regular javelin.  But you don't think any of this other stuff is a stretch because it's a bulletproof Alien is the thing and like the javelin was never set up as being that way.  I don't know what that is. Uh, the nano tech We do plus. Yeah Yeah, like I If if someone was like it's bulletproof, so it should should be javelin proof I just be like I think it is javelin proof, but that's a special javelin for what I gather Regular javelin proof. Oh my goodness.  Are you ready? Are you ready for this?   Yeah I don't know for me I don't know questionable. It's no less absurd than all of the other stuff. We're presented with in fact It's one of the more believable. I never said those things weren't absurd is the thing I never said that you said it was even sir. If you want to get pedantic He didn't say you said that we can do it. We can do it. But don't try to out pedantic me Little something would have been nice. It's like early on I really don't think it would have taken that much to explain you have to agree They made a big deal out of this javelin like it was okay. Yeah, okay. I've got I've got guys. I've got I've got the fix here This is javelin. He's got my bag. No I would highly advise not getting killed by him. His javelin pierces anything We're not talking about something that's insignificant here. This literally defeats the villain. So it's like this is pretty What I was like, so hold on I want to I want to address the joke thing because we had the whole thing with a peacemaker a lot of the time his stuff was jokes But it was meaningful just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not relevant or meaningful Also, what killed starro was a combination of polka dot man the rats the javelin and Bloodsport's leadership, so Yeah, but the javelin's what allows the rats into the eye. They would have that's pretty much what I just said This is a special is clearly a special javelin. I think it's obviously a special javelin And looking at the larger universe, there is a precedent for magical objects being able to cut through Um, you know obscenely Um dense material like Wonder Woman's sword for example Katana's blade. I'm pretty sure was stronger than Actually, I want to push back even harder.  Yeah, but the rats like get into the eye Is the thing they like go into the blood vessel? Well, yeah, but So so wait, so you're saying that like we we then give the wind to the javelin rather than the rats I mean it's a team effort That's that's that's my primary position is it's it's all of them working together Which I think it's great if rats don't enter starro's eye like yeah, I mean I guess Harley could try to cut through the veins of the eyes with the javelin She drops the javelin as soon as she enters. Unfortunately. You could see the rats come done it when they went up there I don't know Well, that's the thing.  I understand that you said rats, which is plural, but we need to emphasize the plurality of these rats And the location of these rats they're inside their brain I'm gonna if y'all haven't played it. It's pretty decent game a plague tale innocence There's a lot of rats in that game. It's it's pretty good. It's it's not it's not gonna Not gonna blow you away with puzzles or anything like that, but it's it's a fun playthrough with very gorgeous. Um, It's a nice game to kind of go through So we'll for scale though on the rats thing like a million ants versus you Like those million ants stand a really good chance Yeah, then someone goes how embarrassing for you you died to ants like well I don't know why anybody would say it's embarrassing to die to ants if there were enough of them And in the right place if there's a thousand ants inside your brain. I feel like that's a you dead Hey Free endgame story hinges on a single rat how embarrassing that was maybe maybe the dceu takes place in a parallel universe To the mcu and rat catcher guide of the rat They're all good rats. Maybe yeah, she guided the rat to get them. Oh, man. I I'm not even sure if that's In the script. There's so much wrong with that movie What you haven't got the rat in the in the script this year the I've got it I've got it in my notes, but I'm not sure if I put it into the script. You're gonna say that one's a Fucking for I don't even so sad when I saw that in the cinema.  That's the timeline. We're oh, no Jesus Christ We've almost been going for six hours Oh, my god It's taking us a while It's taking us a while I didn't I honestly if you'd asked me to guess the time I would have said three that that really went quick I'm flies when you're having fun. Well, that's the thing. I do have a lot of fun with this movie. So Yeah, yeah Um staro staro dead That's Yeah, I mentioned about the stars and it's like oh man. Yeah, like staro kind of he uh, he did not get a good run in his life He's he's kind of it's kind of just that last moment of like, oh man Way to make us feel pretty bad about all this. You just wanted to go around in space. Why couldn't you've been left alone? Yeah, it's it's a tragic situation like yeah, I feel bad for star But at the same time he did have to be taken down Yep for well, that's what yeah, that's the tragic part about it's like it's really unfortunate But like we you can't exist in this world Yeah Well, that's the tragedy. Well, if superman were able to show up He could potentially carried staro to space as I mentioned before that's uh All the type and save people that's not his repertoire That's true. He would never take pity on this on this alien that you know is Taking to earth against as well. He would never ever take pity on something like that. He wouldn't sympathize with Any life form like that? Nope Someone said his seven guys referring to us and every single one of them missed that p.m Meaning peacemaker said he was on a side mission from waller and it had nothing to do with his character development And he didn't make the decision based on beliefs wrong Very very wrong Yeah, that's wrong. Um He has taken orders from waller saying that you can't let this day to leave this room But he says when pushed when pressured about the children It's not about waller anymore about you've got to keep the peace at all costs And this will keep more peace than it won't to uh maintain this hard drive We didn't mention it because it's just not as important compared to what he believes in But i'm afraid in fact you can argue that waller Yeah, you could argue that waller chose him because yeah He knew she knew that he would keep his end of the bargain because of his underlying belief structure. Absolutely. They're interests aligned. Yeah Yeah, he says waller charged people making sure none of this data leaves this area.  Yes What they did with the kid it's not about waller's charge at that point He's making an argument of just ethically. Can you really let this happen? They killed children experimented on and then he's just like Sometimes you have to make some great sacrifices to keep the peace It's really good In case we haven't made that clear So our team hook back up. They're all okay There's there's a bit of ban to this with mentioning. Um, it's a little bit.  The blood blood sport is told waller that if she kills any of them Um, or does anything to his daughter? He'll release the hard drive online um So they're free and they can't be attacked or whatever and she's agreed Is there a reason why waller doesn't just push the button on all of them right because you'll release Why would you take that chance if they're released the hard drive? You're in a lot of like if they're dead Did they like upload it to make it automatic or something? So just all you got to do is think a little creatively here So we don't know how much time has passed between staro dropping dead and him talking to waller Um, and wall is awake by the way So we could infer it's been a decent chunk of time since she was hit with a golf club and stuff All he has to do is get to a working computer upload it to a friend And then tell them if you find out any of us are dead or my daughter goes to prison release this I guess They don't not I guess they kind of frame it like it's around the same time I mean that that's the thing is that's what you do Like he doesn't say it explicitly and obviously he doesn't need to say it explicitly, but Well, the helicopter to pick them up arrives right after so like I think this has to have been a significant chunk of time all right Significant enough that he could set up something and it could just be the automatic thing of like I need to press this button every 24 hours And if I'm dead, I can't so and and ultimately Wall has been knocked out. She doesn't know what they were capable of doing. Why risk that? Yeah It's not worth it. Just let them live Yeah, it's super risky because they can Or because they can block mail you if you got if they got that then who knows what they could do Basically, you lose all your leverage. So yeah with those people specifically I like do you think that trumps the release of the hard like what do you mean? Like if you were in the room with wall already said they've got black and they've got coverage of you now It's just like yes, they do that's the idea. They have something that I think would destroy the u.s. If it was released So yes, they have leverage over me Um, and that's the situation both ways, I guess It's gonna be a matter of seeing how wall may play this in future. I don't know Mm-hmm Did I was was someone saying no there? I couldn't tell. Oh, no I was I was saying no in response to what Evan was saying Okay, um The suicide squad holds all the cards now basically Yeah, and and it was particularly smart move on blood sports part And it makes me really happy that he's no longer a puppet for someone else and I want to see him do his own thing I don't know if I'll see blood sport again, but I want to um Yeah, or blood sport. Yeah, and so he says like This is a good outcome. We saved the city and we've got blah blah blah But she's sad and he's like, I know rick was your friend. He was mine too But like this is this is the outcome we gotta have and I'm just sitting there like Man, I actually believe the friendship between rick and blood sport more Than I do harley and rick like even from that one moment where they're laughing together That was enough for me to believe their friendship more than anything I've seen for rick and harley Yeah, uh, if they were going for something between those two they did not convince me They shouldn't shouldn't have split them up They shouldn't let them have their own little adventure together where they can talk about stuff and tell us We're tight now.  I know you can do it You got a straight man who's gunning for his principles about making sure the worst things in the world stay under put And she's just crazy. It's like there's plenty we can do with this Absolutely, and you can make it so that she actually cares about him because he saves her life a couple times or whatever um Yeah, and then she's like I can be your friend and he's like, nah, so I don't even buy Smart man a smart man. Absolutely.  Yeah, all these journeys And the movie ends on the shot that I think sums sums up the movie in general a good rat Yeah um Yeah, and I guess probably uh, so it it almost cuts to credits, right? At least I think you think it is So it's the suicide squad. Yes. And so we're like, that's it for the movie But then suddenly Look who it is Oh my god So much this probably bumped that this is a talk about a good move Let me actually say when we watch the beach scene when they said when we said like weasel was killed off immediately We were like, I I don't know how to feel about this. I don't really like that because uh, I didn't really say I didn't like it Yeah, they made us really like it for the weasel immediately killed them off and we were kind of like We were kind of reluctant to get into the movie at that point because we weren't we weren't sure what they were doing But this this like lifted up our spirits even more than it all they already were like Yeah, ah and Yeah, it's my the chair My viewing my