Now let's go through a few more operations on files, some very basics of how we can use files and manipulate files and especially text files because a lot of things in Linux are based around text files. Let's consider the LS command. When we run the command it displays some output on the screen. In this case the list of files are directories. Let's go into the vertnet directory, ls-l to show the output. It shows us details about those four items inside the directory, bin, data, readme.txt and source. In this case when I run a command the output is displayed on the screen. One useful thing is to instead of send the output to the screen, send the output of a command into another file. And this is called redirection. And a simple way to do it is you run the command and we add the greater than sign to say take the output of that command and put it inside a file and let's put it in a file in the upper directory called ls-out.txt. So the idea here is to run this command instead of print the output of the command on the screen instead save it to a file and that file is going to be called ls-out.txt and the file is going to be in the directory above the current one. Nothing is printed on the screen, but if we go up a directory we see we now have a file called ls-out.txt. We open that in our text editor or in our text viewer less in this case. I just want to view the output and we see it's the output of the ls. So this is redirection. We redirect the output of a command into a file. When we use a single greater than sign it overwrites what's already in that file if that file actually exists. So if we did that again we quit ls and we go into vertnet and we ls without the minus l option into the same output file. The greater than sign means overwrite this file whatever was there before will be deleted. And you can do ls-output file and we see what was in there before is gone. It's been updated with a new information. If you want to not overwrite but append or concatenate you can use two greater than signs. Currently the file contains the output of the ls and now we're going to add the output of the ls-l into that same file. And we see the output of the first command here and the output of the second command here. So that's very useful for redirecting output of commands into files so you can save the output and process it later. There are other forms of redirection like taking the contents of a file and using as an input to a command using the less than sign and a few others. Often we want to search through the contents of files. So I know my, let's go back into our own directory. We can view the output of ls-out using cat that displays the entire file without breaking the screen. Sometimes we want to search through the contents of a file and search for a string in that file. And one simple way to do that is to use a command called grep where we want to grep a particular string. Let's say I want to find all the lines inside that file which contain read and I want to search the file ls-out.txt. And what grep does is search is through that ls-out.txt file line by line and prints out all the lines that contain the string read. So if you're searching for a particular string inside a file grep is a quick way to do that. One thing that we can do is combine commands as well. So here we did a grep and we got the output two lines. What if we want to take those output and let's combine a command and see the output of a particular two commands combined. Let's explain. One of the common networking commands in Linux is to show your interface configuration which we will see in another topic. And the command is called ifconfig. And it shows the configuration of different interfaces. And one of the interfaces I want and because in this case it shows a lot of information across the multiple pages, ETH0, ETH1, many lines, LO. I want to grab all of the lines in that output which mention an internet address, an inet ADDR. And if we browse through we see there's this line with an inet address, this line. And I want to display them on the screen just those three lines. What I can do is run ifconfig and instead of taking the output and putting it on the screen, I will redirect or pipe the output of that command into another command, in this case grep. And search for any string that has inet ADDR. So the process here is that we'll run ifconfig, it will produce some text output. We will not show that on the screen, instead we'll use that text output as input to the next command grep. So really what the grep will do will search through the output of ifconfig for this particular string. And we see the result is it shows those three lines on the screen. So that's a way of combining commands and it's using this bar, vertical bar operator which is called a pipe. Take the output of one command and use it as the input to the second command. To finish this example then we could take the output of that and redirect to a file. Nothing shown on the screen but we now have a file called addresses.txt. We can view that which is simply those three lines of inet addresses. So we've seen a quick example of searching through a file with grep. We've seen redirection using a greater than character and a pipe. One other useful command in some cases is echo. Echo simply displays something on the screen. We can echo something into a file if we like. Echo displays a string on the screen or into a file if we use redirection. In Linux we often operate on text files so it's useful to know some of the simple commands for manipulating files.


Welcome to Longmont Voices and Vision, a project of Longmont Public Media. In the midst of the darkest period in our lives, when we're bombarded 24 hours a day with news of the coronavirus and the human and economic carnage it's causing in our society, we're challenged to cope with our fears and anxieties, we're remaining hopeful about what lies on the other side of this crisis. This project presents an opportunity for Longmont residents to share with others how they're adjusting to new realities of social distancing and the kind of future they hope to experience on the other side of the crisis. I'm Tim Waters, host of these conversations in a Longmont Public Media Volunteer. In this series, I'll be asking Longmont residents, many of them your friends and neighbors, three questions. What are you doing to get through this crisis? Even though we cannot be together right now, how are we staying connected to friends and families? And what's the future you are hoping to see and experience on the other side of this crisis? I hope you'll stay with this series and enjoy listening to your friends and neighbors and learn from them how they're getting through and what they're looking forward to in a new reality on the other side. Kathleen McGoy, thank you for lending your voice and your vision to this Longmont Voices and Vision Project. To get started, tell us a little bit about who you are, who you are in your background, what you're doing. Thank you. Thanks for having me on this interview. My name is Kathleen McGoy and currently I'm the Executive Director of a nonprofit in Longmont called Longmont Community Justice Partnership. We offer restorative justice as an alternative to the criminal justice system here in partnership with police. So with that background, you know I'm going to ask you three questions. The first of the three questions is in this unprecedented moment in human history that we're in right now. How are you getting through? Great question. So at this point for me and the whole staff at LCJP Longmont Community Justice Partnership, we are really tied very closely to the values and principles of restorative practices, which really comes down to relationship. So in restorative justice, we look at what can we do when relationships have been harmed? How can we repair those relationships? But there's much more to it than just the repair that happens after crime. Restorative values and principles can also be applied to promoting healthy relationships, building healthy relationships on the front end. So as an agency as soon as the virus, the pandemic broke out, we started thinking, you know, what tools do we already have so that we could support people who are feeling isolation and anxiety and uncertainty. And fortunately, our tools can be adapted to connect people virtually and online. So one of the things that I mean, I would say we're doing two main things as an agency right now. One of them is we can continue accepting cases from police. When crime takes place, we can still move forward with the restorative justice process, but we've just shifted the whole thing to digital platforms. So we're utilizing our volunteers as facilitators to bring together victims and offenders, police officers and community representatives to look at what needs to be done to make things right. And the second thing that we're doing is proactively offering circles that are just relationship building circles. We call them connection circles. Every Friday we have an appointment that volunteers, LCJP volunteers can plug into, and it's just a time where a question is asked, and each volunteer is each participant is asked to give their answer. And in both of those settings, what we're finding is that people are so grateful to have this opportunity to tell their story, to be heard, and to be able to find empathy and validation in shared experiences, even when we're physically separated. Well, that's a nice segue to my second question. And then in a moment of unprecedented physical separation and social distancing that we've never experienced in any of our lifetimes. How are you staying connected with family and friends? I am just on a lot of video conference calls and phone calls. I have friends in contacts, both within the restorative justice community and other networks that I know of where people are really becoming very collaborative. So for example, in restorative justice, I just am in touch with a European forum of restorative justice practitioners who's asking, hey, can we get on a zoom call because countries throughout Europe are actually considering how they can offer restorative practices to their communities on an online platform. So that's something that is has always been important for LCJP and me personally to make sure that we are sharing our resources sharing our successes so that others can use these tools and now we're just doing that in a different way instead of you know maybe meeting in person or talking about how to connect in person. We're just really using the same tools, but in a virtual way to promote connection and any sort of resilience building is really what it comes down to at this time. So again, that's a nice segue to my my third and last question resilience is a way to kind of spring into this next question and that is, it's safe to assume I believe that whatever was normal before this pandemic won't be normal after the pandemic that what there will be a new normal. Whatever that new normal is is one we're going to help to create together so for you. What's the preferred future. What would you like that new normal. What would you like to see and experience in that new normal. Yeah, I think one of the greatest lessons that that we all globally could take away from this whole experience is one the power of what's possible when we are united in our efforts. And with that the realization that we are all so connected, despite imagined barriers or separations between us that really when it comes to a crisis like this, that the only way for us to get through it is to connect and rely on each other and realize that we have a very shared human experience. So what I would love to see whenever you know whatever the new normal entails is more prioritizing of collaboration sharing generosity. So people sort of letting down their guard based on our sovereign national borders or our perceived cultural differences and really opening up the lines of communication and realizing that especially for our planet. The, the potential of the human race surviving really relies on how we come together to address the earth and how we care, not just for humans but also the natural elements of of the planet so I, I mean, you know, because of my work, I think there's these really we have these tools that we could already use to promote equal voice and kind of dissolve these notions of there's one truth or one person is more right than the other. I actually spoke to the Boulder High School Women's Empowerment Club yesterday, and they were telling me how in their club, they've learned that they can all have different opinions on issues. But what they practice is listening respectfully to different opinions and not trying to prove that the club has to have one, one position that they all get behind and I said you know this is this is the answer you all are doing this informally as a club that how can we really learn to listen to each other and accept that we have different perspectives and different truths and still brainstorm solutions that are mutually beneficial and and ultimately going to be good for future generations. So, lots to think about. Kathleen McGoy thank you so much for your willingness to participate in this project.  Thank you so much Tim I appreciate it. Scott Converse. Thank you for lending your voice and your vision to the Longmont Voices and Vision Project. Thank you. Each of these interviews have started with a little bit of information about the interviewee. So, you know, when people watch this over time, it'll be good to know who they're hearing from. So tell us about Scott Converse. Well, I grew up in Longmont, graduated from high school from here, went off into business land, worked for a bunch of large corporations and did some startup companies and retired probably coming up on 10 years now. When I retired, I moved back here to be near my family and we started some stuff like Tinker Mill which is a makerspace here in town so I was the original founder of that and when the Times call left Longmont, they're building, we started the Longmont Observer, which is a nonprofit newsroom here in town. And about three or four months ago, we made a bid on the Cable Access, PIG, Public Access Education Government TV, contract with the city and surprise won that. So we are now running Longmont Public Media and that's what I've been doing now. I'm the general manager of Longmont Public Media and still for the time being the publisher of the Longmont Observer. And we're connecting these interviews because Longmont Public Media exists in one that contracts. Yeah, that's the truth today. And this is one of those contributions. So thanks for your contributions, the many contributions to the community as well as this particular project and that Longmont Public Media LPM supports this kind of record we're establishing an outreach to the community. So on the record, you know I've been asking people three questions in these interviews. The first is in this time of really unprecedented physical distancing and social or physical isolation and social distancing. How are you getting through what is this unique time in our history. Well, yeah, it's kind of weird. I'm an introvert by nature so in a way it's kind of fun from from just being able to isolate nobody thinks it's weird. I kind of like my alone time but at the same time, we spent a lot of time doing things out in the community and that has been very strange and dealing with this has been very odd. We as you know, took over the Carnegie building, the old library building, and when we took this contract on and that had become really quite a hub of activity and a lot of it social, because it's a media maker space it's open to the public it's available to anybody who wants to join and wants to start using equipment and studios and learning how to create media. And that stopping kind of so abruptly was sort of a shock. And it, I had not felt lonely in a while and that was, I felt, I felt lonely the last couple weeks and it's been sort of strange I really miss the interactivity of having that space so dealing with it really, you know, things like this. There are awful lot of zoom and Webex and Google Hangout meetings going on. You know, that's one place that we spend time but it's really it's been very weird and kind of disorienting, I guess is the best word for it. Before when I had a choice of when I wanted to be alone and when I wanted to go do stuff.  It's a very strange feeling it's it feels constrained really does. Well, your reference to all the zoom meetings really kind of segue to the second question. None of us have ever experienced the isolation and the kind of disconnections that we're experiencing now. So we're all trying to find ways to stay connected to family and friends. So what's that look like for you how are you staying connected to family and friends. This is one way we're doing it now. So we do a fair amount of this Google Hangouts is actually really good for just one on one quick stuff you just do it very quickly you can do it on your phone your iPad your computer.  It is it is a useful tool, even though it has some weird things about it that are not so good. And texting do lots of texting with people and obviously phone calls I do a lot more check ins. I've been getting phone calls from people that I haven't heard from in a long time which is very interesting like are you okay. Do you need anything. A lot of that going on and I do it with people to a lot you know is there can I help. I think that it's in an interesting way it's actually brought us all closer together in some ways. And it's surprising to me, and in a good way. I mean I've heard from people that I haven't heard from any literally years. You know you see him on social media and there's like that ethereal connection that's not really real. And then out of the blue now in the last few weeks I've gotten calls from a couple dozen people that like people I worked with an Apple computer 25 years ago and stuff like that it's just very surprising to me and actually kind of good in a way it's bringing us together. One of the things I've certainly heard through these interviews is that while we're disconnected in so many ways the conditions have brought us together in other ways that are equally unprecedented as as the isolation. The third of my three questions is really based on the assumption that whatever was normal before the pandemic. There's going to be a new normal. There's going to be a new normal out of this. There'll be another side or another side of this pandemic in whatever the new normal is. The assumption is it's likely going to be different. Life will be different for all of us. So the question really is what would you like to see in that new normal. What's your preferred future. What would you like to see and help create on the other side of the pandemic. The initial thought was to go into the dystopian view of what could what it could be like. But I would rather not think of that and I would rather try to build something which I do believe we can do. I think that the way to do that really is to start caring for each other a little more. I think that there have been a lot of realizations of shortfalls and shortcomings in our general societal structure that probably need to be addressed on a national scale. Things like healthcare you know when you've got 20 million people who all of a sudden don't have a job which is tied to their healthcare. During a pandemic you got to think about is this a good approach you know stuff like that that's very important. So really taking how do we take care of the people that we're left out here and there are a lot of people that were left out. So I think that I think that that realization with a lot more people is is becoming much more real and I think that you'll see a lot of changes along those lines in terms of what we can do locally. I think that better communications I mean what we're doing with LPM is creating like part of the information infrastructure of our community making it much more open and available to people. This is a perfect example. This is something that would not have happened with the old regime and the old way of doing things. And we want to enable this kind of stuff. And I think this pandemic has actually made that more likely to happen the fact that you see for instance the late night TV shows host guys. This is what they're doing for their shows they're doing from their house literally their houses where their kids running around in the background. I mean that talk about people connecting while being remote. I think you'll see a lot more than and that's something that that the media world does specialize in and I think people also are understanding the importance of engaging with medium so using it more but also stuff like distance learning. I think you're going to see a lot more education happening not like this exactly but you're going to see a lot more people realize that they can go to college this way they can you know if if somebody is sick they can stay home and still finish school this way. There's all kinds of stuff that people are realizing that very much that changed in a big way because of this isolation that we've been forced to go into. So I think you're going to see some really good stuff happen there. I do want to see our cities get better at communicating what's going on and to engage more. I do know that like for instance our city council last night I heard that there's a was it an 8 million dollar shortfall was that the number 8.5. 15.3 million as of this morning 15.3 million dollar shortfall. That's a big number that's something that people are going to go what does that mean to me so what so I'd like to know what does that mean and what is the city going to do and how can we help. I would like very much to help in terms of getting the city back on its feet. And I think that more people are going to be interested in doing that than they were before, especially when they see services that the city used to be able to do and afford, not be able to do an afford anymore like Harold was saying our city manager last night that Boulder and I think was it loose filler Lafayette and started off. It started laying off employees city employees which you know surprised me. I have heard from teachers in school districts who are afraid of the same kind of thing. Although I think it's less likely because property taxes didn't go away. Although property taxes will probably drop with valuations now so you know who knows. So we'll see what happens there. That's a lot. And it fits into some of the other patterns we've been hearing in. I hope residents not only on this interview but will have a chance to kind of absorb those perspectives and those aspirations across the interviews of their friends and neighbors who have been part of this project. So thanks to along my public media for supporting it. Thanks to you for your contribution. And when we can all re engage face to face. I'll look forward to to our past continuing to cross out on a regular basis. Thanks guys.  Thanks. Gordon and Pam Pedro. Thank you for lending your voices and your vision to this project to get started. Why don't you just tell us a little bit about who you are. I'm Gordon. I'm a retired 17 year old white guy. And I've had the privilege of basically following the distance guidelines that the health departments have been putting out and continue to do so. I'm Pam and married to Gordon obviously I'm a retired therapist here in town and I'm involved in recovery cafe, which is informing a lot of what I'm thinking about right now. Yeah. Well one day hopefully when people have all learned about recovery cafe, and that will have grown into the kind of asset in this community that that we know it has the potential to be insured. Folks will recognize immediately and Gordon I'm not going to let you off the hook without acknowledging your, your 20 years of service to this community as our city manager so whoever watches this one day has to appreciate that as well. Well, three questions that I'm going to post you. The first of those is, in this time that's unprecedented in any of our lives. People are trying to figure out and how to make sense and how to get through and my question you is how are you getting through this time of unprecedented. Well, I'll start I think we've really been trying to stay connected with friends and family. We've gotten really good at rummy cube and puzzles. We've been checking in with our older friends, especially those who live alone at our widowed. I'm getting some exercise. I'm really enjoying doing some reading and writing and thinking about you. You know, I would add that in order for me to stay centered. I have to have exercise so I begin my day early in the morning with five to 10 mile hike, and that starts my day off most of the time. And in addition to what Pam does. I am involved with a couple of small groups of people who think and discuss things and so we are engaged in various ways of sharing articles and ideas, and then we get together and talk on zoom once the ball. So in a, in a time that we've never experienced in terms of the physical separations and social distancing. Now we're all expected to honor.  When we come to love zoom, we really have to use that in some FaceTime our son knows how to include all of us in a FaceTime chat and so we've been doing trying to do that on a regular basis for our kids. I belong to a group of about seven friends who are on a text thread, and we just check in all day long with each other someone will send a joke someone else will say can you guys pray for me and fall the part right now that kind of thing. There are four younger women that I mentor that are in different states, said we're still staying in touch through either zoom or phone calls on on a bi weekly basis. The other day we had a couple drive into our driveway and they sat in your car and we stood on the lawn and just visited for a while. I think we're still learning how to creatively connect. I got lots of that involved in more phone calls and normal because usually my way of communicating with sitting in coffee shops, or in a small bar and having a beer and talking with folks. So now it's more needing to connect on phone. We do have a situation where a couple of my friends are really compromised physically. So they, but they want to get together. So they have large backyards we go separate by 10 feet sitting in the backyard in the sunshine and we just have conversations because they would like to have those conversations. Well, it's safe to assume, I think that whatever, whatever we settle into as normal on the other side of this pandemic, life is going to be different. Whatever the new normal is will be unlike what normal was before. So the third question is, what would you like that new normal to be what would you like to see an experience what your preferred future, as we move forward to whatever new normal is. Well, we kind of agreed to go that I go first on this when I have given so much thought I love this question to him. Thank you. Because I first realized that I've got some realizations that are, they're not new but they're deeper to me right now and some some increased hopes. Going with your greatest hopes rather than greatest fears that they kind of fun to think about. I think so let me just talk my realizations have been, I've been surprised at how much I'm enjoying the simplicity of this life. Just the being home and spending time together and being in the yard and having time during the day to really call the people I want to call or do the things I want to do. I'm finding that I can live with a lot less as we've been forced to look at what's essential. And what isn't essential even as I've needed to order some things just thinking how essential is this and having that be a part of my paradigm that it hasn't been before. Another realization that I've had that's really hit me is, as I am sheltered in this safe home and as I'm washing my hands several times a day in my own sink. Going to bed in my own bed, having food delivered to our home because I have an internet and I can order it. I think I've become more and more aware of how privileged I am. And that has increased my awareness of the vulnerability of the people who don't have those things in our world in our community around the world.  Our elderly friends who are on fixed incomes who don't know how to use the internet. And I think that as I said my recovery cafe involvement has now put faces and names and stories behind some of these precious people. And I've been realizing that in our most prosperous time in decades we have totally failed this vulnerable population. And I think they suffer in prosperity and they they're in despair when a crisis like this comes. So I think my best hope, the hope that I, and mine's really ethereal like you said I don't have specific, but that as a nation and a state and a community. We can recognize and reprioritize where we're putting our energy. As you think have been fears and hopes Tim I've often thought about first and second things that if we prioritize those things that need to be first, and then focus on the second things we get it all. If we prioritize second things first we often don't get either and I think my hope come November is that we can begin to prioritize the vulnerable in our in our world in our communities, because when they're taking care of them we're free to prioritize what we need to improve the world for the rest of us. And so I think that's going to be a passion that I have as we come out of this is to fight more for the vulnerable and at the risk of sounding political starting to do that in November. A lot of what Pam said is very similar to my thinking the group that I'm the groups that I talked with. We are all basically in the same privilege category. We all have houses, we have the ability to distance ourselves because we don't have to go on the front line and work at a third job or something where we have to interact with artistly feel safe or not. We can wash our clothes and our hands and we can do all those safe things that is a privilege that means and means means that people do not have in this country. And so, I'm hoping we don't lose this opportunity that we have now come together and recognize collectively how we're all in this boat together. And if we don't all succeed, then in a way we all fail but we know which group always fails more than the rest of us. Going there with this recognition of the privilege that we have. I'm going to become a passionate advocate for those who are marginalized. And I just think that any of our society that does not have health care can get education for their children or themselves. They don't have a home and don't have the ability to actually deal with society. They are marginalized and I don't want to see them there from this point forward and I think collectively we should do something about that. Thank you. Congratulations for sure. And thanks for sharing those and who you are and how you're getting through this pandemic. Gordon and Pam Pedro, thanks for lending your voices and your vision to this project. They say take care of yourselves and your family. Thank you.


Govna Babajite, son-in-law of Lagos State, has inaugurated a six-member panel of inquiry to investigate the cause of the collapse of the 21-story building in Iqoi. He also signed an executive bill to give legal back into the panel. During their period of sit-in, the panel will be chaired by Toyin Ayinde, the president of the National Institute of Town Planners. He urged the panel to be professional and factual in their findings in order to give closure to the families of those who lost their lives in the incident. Joining us to discuss this is Niyi Babade, an international journalist. Good evening. Thank you very much for joining us, sir. Thank you for having me on the programme. So I started the conversation yesterday with regards to the panel of inquiry, interesting personalities. It has Mr Toyin Ayinde is the president, Nigerian Institute of Town Planners. Dr Akintilo Idris Adelike, a structural engineer, has an architect, has Mrs Bumi Ibrahim and a couple of others. Interesting profile, you know, across board. But my question, you know, which I started yesterday was, should this be a situation where we are setting up a panel or should this be a criminal investigation? Well, I am happy you said something now that I really liked. Must we wait till, where were all these people, I mean, all these professionals when the building was being erected, where were they? Why weren't they consulted? Why was their opinion, I mean, nobody asked them for their professional advice then. Why must we wait till after life has been wasted? That is the definition of Nigeria. I always say something, anytime I'm talking on any forum, that Nigeria, we do things, we are so peculiar. I don't know why. We do things that the ways is never done elsewhere in the world. Right. Thank God, so we have all these people. How come we cut corners? How come we bypass professionals like this to do things the Nigeria way? You know, it starts from the way where you see, I live on the island. When I was given the time to come, I left my home around five to make a seven-thirty appointment. I'm sure this is because of the training I've got in the past, working, holding thoughts for an international organization in Africa for several years, right? Normally, I would have said, oh, Nigeria time I should be there, but I now used to be waiting for me, or the studio would be waiting for me. You see, we need, there are fundamental issues that we need to address before we can move forward. I can bet it with you. At the end of, we have both people, I'm quoting now, both people who will ask questions. I can bet it with you that after the governor set up all these professionals to investigate the course of the building, you will see, we won't have the outcome. I'm not causing neither. I'm just saying, at the end of the day, the results, the report, the communique, the whatever, the cover with, we might not hear about it anymore. We might hear about it, but the story might be doctored because this is Nigeria. I was reading something just now, as if the person who sent it to me knew I was coming for a program. He said, at the seven day when God was wrestling, devil sneaks to create African leaders. And you say, sorry, it's not funny that when God was wrestling at the seven day, devil sneaks to create African leaders and their class captain is in Nigeria. Well, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. And the reason, you know, all these questions will come up. And I also was saying to myself earlier that I think one of the challenges that Nigerians have, I don't know if you would agree, is that aside government, that we as a people don't really value the Nigerian life. And the reason I'm saying that is if we did, if we saw that every single person, you know, this is close to 40 now, as at last count, who has lost their life in this incident, if every single one of those lives did matter, we would not be in an environment where a panel is set up to wait for 30 days for, you know, results. We would instead be asking that every single detail of what happened leading up to the event on Monday and being investigated. And that includes, and I've said this over, that that includes the search and rescue efforts and the lackluster attitude of search and rescue efforts. Let me tell you one thing again. Nigeria is the only country where that added, that who, yeah, he would place the Piper, dictate the tune, this, you will remember the issue of Oga at the top. Right, the issue of Oga at the top came in when the guy was haxed, what is your website? He was pinned, he was probably was thinking, oh, if I give my website or office website out, my Oga at the top might get upset. Look, I thank God, I don't think, even when I'm coming again to the next world, I want to be a journalist, a foreign journalist, not a Nigerian journalist. No, no, no, I don't want to be the Nigerian journalist. I see my contemporaries, I see how the slant of their story and I say, oh, because he's giving you, the Brown envelope is appreciating you, you don't tell it the way it is, which is sickening. In those days, journalists, journalists were, after the reverence during the Church of England, in those days, the next person that were expected and believe had the love of the people that are trustworthy were the journalists. But now, the things are really, really changing. Why am I saying all this? If at this stage, the panel were given, they were set up and by tomorrow, look at the scenario surrounding the whole thing, the place had been sealed before by government official. But because of our own way of doing things, our ways of doing it the crooked way, somebody went and go to the highest authority who unsealed the place and life continues and now see what we got, right? That is the Nigerian trend. You just said it. The cheapest thing to waste in Nigeria is life because it has no value to nobody. The cheapest thing to waste in Nigeria is life.  That's how they waste life here, right? I, sorry, I keep referring to journalism. You know, in international journalism, if you are not sent on outside environment course, which I attended several times outside London, as for sure, you are not allowed to go to cover what you call it, student riots or two people fighting on the street, right? Your organization will be liable if anything happened to you. Here in Nigeria, they will send you to war front because they believe it should be where it's getting the salary.  So that's how wasteful life can be on this side of the device, right? So whatever I, you remember, was to be called to the black people of South Africa where the black police were used against the black. It said, black man, you are your own. Nigerians, you are your own. So you don't believe or trust that this panel, the six-member panel, will be able to? I give kudos to this panel, professionals to the call, intellectuals, people of high repute, but will they be given free hand to operate? Wouldn't there be one announcement from Abuja saying, ah, that's all we're talking about here? But also, can a criminal investigation be going on side by side with the panel? And unfortunately, we're in a country where if the governor himself or the president or the IGP doesn't give a go ahead for an investigation, the police really can't ignore it and act like it didn't happen. So would you expect that in a system that works, they don't need to wait to be told to resume or to begin a criminal investigation into this matter while the governor sets up whatever the matter is to set up? My dear brother, the people, the panel are only to investigate the cost of the collapse, right? Why? Was it due to a substandard product that would be used or what do you call it in Nigeria? Should it short change thing that we all do? Or there are no body on that panel who is going to be investigating, who is going to be investigating criminal investigation? Right? If you want to bring in criminal investigation, you bring the likes of the DSS, we don't have FBI in Nigeria, the likes of the police and what have you, then we know that, yeah. But this is just like we're patching what is unpatchable. And this is a pity. This is what has been happening in Nigeria subsequently. Put, say it anywhere. I will tell you, I'm not predicting them. You will see, at the end of the day, the people will start and they will go back and say, this is what we find out. And somebody will say, okay, thank you. Collect the report, take pictures and put the picture out to the public for Rabu Raoza. So they say, oh, they're doing well. But the main thing, the main thing they were asked to do, they may, you will discover that at the end of the day, you will see that nothing will come out of it. I can bet it will do. I'm so sorry, saying all these things, right? You know, I'm saying sorry, saying all these things. But this is what we know. This is what I've been, I saw the investigative journalism. So you should know that. I know how we are, who we are and what we are. How do you think that the people of Lagos can put pressure on the government to ensure that there is a criminal investigation into this or that the panel doesn't waste Lagosian's time for the next 30 days and eventually nobody gets to pay for, or answer for these debts? Unfortunately, the owner of the building died with the building. That is one reason why criminal investigation will be dropped and has to go down the drain as part of, that is one major schemes. But if we are a nation, the Nigerian nation that are supposed to learn, from past problems or atrocities and what a view, we shouldn't find ourselves in this situation. Look at all the story. Oh, he got approval for eight-story building. Later, he got approval for 15-story building. Somebody has to lose his job because he said, no, it was also 15-story building. But now he went to 80, now he's now 21, and somebody has to lose his job. That is the kind of justice you get in the society where, like I said, he will dictates the tune, I mean, he will pace the pipe and dictates the tune. That's the Nigerian society. And if we continue like this, if we continue like this, there are fundamental issues, there are fundamental problems that we are ignoring just for the sake of, oh, no, it's not, oh, I don't know, I was, somebody said something when they said, they were taking the Anglican, I did not assist them because I have no Anglican. They came to take the Catholic, I did not come out because I was not a Catholic, they went and took the Presbyterian, I did not show it to them because I was not part of the Presbyterian. Now, they've taken all those people away, they've come to take me, who now will fight my cause. They're forgetting that they, okay, look, the government of my state, by the former government of my state, I of Ioshe, was hoping on Okada, right? If Dorin is tenured as the governor of Iquiti State, if we are just this little power, the regional power from Iquiti, to say, no, this has, must not be this, we must do this the way I see it overseas that I travel to virtually every other week, he wouldn't have been hoping on bike when there was traffic, there would have been solutions to Nigerian problem. We will all come back, we will all come back to our sheets, to whatever we do now. So I don't think, just like I said, I wish the panel good, I wish them good deliberation, I wish them good results, but I can bet it will do my profile. Those people are not here, they are not being appointed or whatever to do criminal investigation, they are just to give reasons why the building collapse. So we forget criminal, nobody will get any justice anywhere, you and I know that, we are all Nigerians, we are all Nigerians. Yes, well, I would understand what he, you know we are Nigerians. But it shouldn't be that way, and if you've been following the story, the video clips that you see every day, you see family members crying, you see people weeping and hoping that they would find some glimmer of hope. You remember, I flew in from England to cover the, was it the Soso-Liso or? Soso-Liso, I think it was Soso-Liso, one of the, yeah, that crashed.  Said he told his boss, are we reasonable? Who are we? Who are we? And we want to continue like this. All we want to do is, oh, to come to see my fleet of cars, my houses and all that stuff, forgetting that human life matters a lot. There are one million or one people there, out there, that can not even afford the meal. All the, I was coming now, I said, I was simple, do you know, sorry, I'm saying this, I'm being, I'm feeling somehow, I remain on the mainland, anytime I don't have anything because of traffic, I don't come this way. Today, when I got to Victoria Island and I saw the kinds of buildings you guys have, I've been feeling myself, I've been feeling, I told my children they should not come to, I'm fortunately, my children, I thought they won't come to Nigeria, they don't need to come and say anything because there's nothing to see. Now I know that I am Mr. Fulish. I can say categorically to Nigerian, I remain Mr. Fulish. What I saw today, the kind of buildings that I saw today, I remember at the point I raised up my head and I was counting floors and I was counting up to 30 floors and I said, me, I should just go and sleep somewhere. Hopefully, and of course I'm gonna wrap up with, saying that I hope that this is a wake up call for the Lagos State government to ensure that they look across all the approvals that have been given in the last five years for high rise buildings across Lagos because from what we've seen, it's possible to beat the system and continue building the people here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.  Absolutely. With this, yeah, with this panel, then we know that, yeah, we are at it. But if we say, okay, those who want to say, the sand was not too thick enough or the cement was not the proper one, here we go again. All right, that's where we will, of course, we'll end the discussion for now. Thank you for staying with us. Of course, as we've just been speaking with me, Baba Day is an international journalist. We'll take a short break and when we return, I'll be giving my take. My take today is centered around the value of the Nigerian life. This particular perspective has been spoken about millions of times, but we still don't seem to get it. When we start to actually place value on the Nigerian life, then we will begin to question certain levels of incompetence and stop ignoring the failures of government in areas that are always overlooked. Certain things we don't complain about and it's really because it's the Nigerian way and we don't know how to demand competence always. If we value the Nigerian life, we would speak louder about the things like the standard operating procedures for set and rescue Nigeria. On this day in 2012, it was on record that 63 people died from flooding in certain states in Nigeria. To date, no one was questioned and now we're doing the same thing with the set and rescue at Iqoi. Whose failure was responsible for the delay in equipment getting to Gerard Road? Are we using the right equipment in searching for survivors? Is the use of excavators alone best practice? Should there be any minute that passes where work is put on hold? And why don't we even have air lifting equipment? There's no helicopters. There's no helicopters at all. Nobody's asking these questions simply because there's no punishment for incompetence when it comes to the Nigerian life and we must do better. That's my take. Thanks for joining us. Plus, Politics Returns on a Monday at 7 p.m. I am Osao Gie, Oghbama. Have a great night.


and those who identify as women plus non-binary and allies. First, I'd like to acknowledge that while we may use language referring to gender in the binary of men and women, there is a spectrum of gender that includes non-binary folks. There are a multitude of nuanced experiences that we may not be able to adequately address in this session, but we are on the path to creating a more inclusive and welcoming environment for everyone in tech. Today, we have some speakers who are sharing their tech journeys with you. These are the stories of strong and accomplished women in open source. Some of the things we asked our speakers were, how did you get to this point in your career? What do you think the challenges were that you faced that were related to gender inequity in tech? And who has inspired you? And now allow me to play the video of our wonderful speakers sharing their insights. Hi, my name is Maria Cruz. I'm a program manager in the Google open source programs office. And I'm here to share a little bit about my experience. My name is Gina Jorgensen. I am a senior director within Google. And I work in Google Cloud Marketing. I'm Aish Sundar. And I lead Engprod for Google Kubernetes Engine. And I've been in the tech space for about 15-plus years now. And I've had a remarkable journey working both internally as part of different companies and also upstream in Kubernetes space.  I was born and raised in Argentina. I graduated from college with a BA in communications with an emphasis in journalism. And after that, I studied for a year in Berlin in the European College of Bureau of Arts, which is now the Park College Berlin. And upon returning to Argentina, I started working in a marketing startup. And after that, I moved on to work in the third sector, working in the nonprofit arm of an oil company, YPS. I entered the open source sector in 2013 when I joined Wikimedia Argentina as a communications manager. Wikimedia Argentina is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. And they focus on promoting Wikipedia at the local level. And then in 2014, I joined the Wikimedia Foundation and moved to San Francisco in 2015. And then in 2019, I started working as a contractor for a Google open source programs office. And in February 2020, I became a permanent employee working in community engagement for cloud-native projects. And my way into technology was pretty unconventional. I was in business school and was at an event as part of one of our entrepreneurship events that we were having at the business school. And I was talking to one of my professor's husbands who was at Microsoft and happened to be one of the founders of something called Windows NT. And he asked me a question about what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I think I probably had the only 30 seconds of clarity I've ever had in my entire life, which was that I wanted to work in accessible technology. Fast forward a couple of weeks, and I had 12 interviews at Microsoft. And I ended up with a job offer in the developer division working on a Windows embedded operating system. And at that point, honestly, I didn't know the difference between an Intel chip and a potato chip. And when they made me the offer, I said, hey, I am really going to need a technical mentor if I'm going to be successful here at Microsoft. And I started on a Monday. And on a Tuesday, I had a technical mentor who I met with three times a week. And I did that for many, many years. And he's still a mentor of mine today. But my way into technology was very, very different and unconventional compared to most people who had a computer science background or an engineering background. My background was in law. And I decided that I wanted to go into accessible technology. And then that's how I ended up there. So again, pretty unconventional. I spent 19 years at Microsoft. And about five months ago, I joined Google. And also, historically in my career, I've had a number of different disciplines that I've been part of, whether that was in the developer organization, whether that was in mergers and acquisitions, or business management. And my last three years, I spent actually in engineering designing our online cloud marketplaces. I started in tech about 15 years ago. Funnily enough, tech wasn't my first choice. Back in the days, I wanted to go more into medicine. But as luck and life would have it, things took one direction, another. And computer and tech was my second interest or love. And I started going into that space. I've been working in multiple companies throughout. And connecting the dots now, looking backward from where I came and where I am right now, I know that each job has taught me something different. I've learned a lot of different skills from each place that I worked in. And that has gone a long way in making me who I am today. I would love to share some of those with you folks. My first job out of college was in, with Thompson Rogers, a long time back. It was an amazing experience because that's the first time I started into the tech industry, started learning what it meant to work as part of a technical team towards a product. But the biggest learning I would say that I took from that experience was more around how to build a work family, how to go about working together as a team. It's not just what you do, but how you do that also matters. So that's something I learned a lot from working in my first job. And then from there, I moved on to work in Microsoft for a few years. The biggest learning there in my career was around how to work hard and also play harder, which I still carry on till this day in my team. We all work a lot and work hard towards the impactful deliverables that we are all driving. But at the same time, we have a lot of fun while doing it at the job and even outside of the job. And then after a couple of years, few years in Microsoft, I moved to Google, which was a phenomenal experience. I started off as part of Google Photos even before it was Google Photos. And I had the incredible experience of being part of like a startup world within Google. And the first thing that struck me at that point was how open Google was. I was able to work with people across different disciplines, be it Eng, Eng productivity, UX, program management, product management, and across different hierarchical levels without having any boundaries. And as a woman in a big work environment and as a part of an underrepresented community, it was extremely empowering for me to be part of a really fast-paced upcoming product and make a huge impact and difference there. And from there, a few years down the line, I moved to Cloud, which is where I am right now within Google. And I would say it's been the most enriching experience and the most growth I've had both professionally and personally in my career. I opened up a lot of doors around learning to manage a team, built a diverse and a thriving team, and contribute towards cutting-edge technology that we work on today. And Cloud is the place where I got introduced to open source as well, Kubernetes. And I had a wonderful opportunity to contribute upstream where I met a lot of awesome allies, mentors, and peers who I still get inspired from and had a great opportunity to collaborate and contribute upstream as well. When I moved to the US, I thought I would continue to grow on the path that I had set for myself, but instead it pretty much felt like I was starting from scratch. A lot of this had to do with not knowing how professional ladders were designing the organization that I was joining and also what titles meant in terms of independent execution and professional levels. I also learned about race and racial equity in the US.  And I became acquainted with a particular persona that I describe as the white man working tech. And I think of this display of a personality as opposed to this person's actual abilities and knowledge. For example, I realized that some white men will speak with confidence about issues they are not familiar with. And they are also able to draw from others ideas that they present as their own. They are in other occasions, they are also able to anticipate what is the right thing to say based on the response they are getting from the audience when they are presenting something. So as a speaker of English as a second language, it took me some time to understand that people can lie, pretend and manipulate you when they are speaking in English. Maybe people who studied other languages can relate to this. When you study a second language, everything that comes in that language is perceived as being better, higher quality and even more professional. In this sense, I had to decolonize my mind. And I quickly realized that people can be loudmouth and falsifiers in English as well as in Spanish. And after I decoupled these concepts and I decolonized myself, I realized it's not just white men. And this is where I think gender theory can bring a lot of light to this concept. We have a tendency to associate traits like collaborative, conciliatory, flexible, inclusive with women and traits like aggressive, individualistic and competitive with men. When in reality people from all genders can carry these qualities. I have worked with women who are aggressive in their pursuits as most men can be. And I have worked with men who are collaborative and inclusive like usually women are. And I made an emphasis in these definitions of gender as a social construct and gender performativity because I think this can speak volumes to any work environment, but in particular to tech. Tech is a very competitive industry. It moves fast and it's hard to break into. And this may explain why some people become aggressive and individualistic and adopt other personality traits to survive. I'm particularly interested in Judith Butler because her study of phenomenology and feminist theory describes how social agents constitute social reality through language, gesture and all manner of symbolic social gain. In other words, phenomenology describes how our acts and our words can shape the reality that we live in. What challenges have I faced and have I faced as a result of gender inequality? And I would say that I've been pretty fortunate. I've had a lot of amazing incredible female and male mentors and leaders who I've been able to work for and work with and who have been my champions and who have been my cheerleaders and who have helped me along the way, especially in times when they saw things in me that I didn't see in myself. And they really helped me just figure out what experiences I wanted and where I could provide value. And one of the biggest challenges I faced not having a technical background going into technology was that I wasn't technical at the time. And I also wasn't the smartest person in the room. There's tons of brilliant, brilliant people in technology.  I do know I'm the most hardworking. And so I put that into every practice, every problem I was trying to solve, every business challenge, every technical challenge I was ever trying to solve. I worked super, super, super hard to become the subject matter expert in it. And I did that by talking to customers and being really fanatical about what the user experience was, what data we had, and then trying to formulate an opinion based on a whole bunch of different factors and data points. And that was really challenging. The second challenge for me that I think we all face, a number of people face is how do you establish boundaries Before children, I did not have any boundaries. I worked endlessly. I loved working. I still love working, but I loved working because it felt like a puzzle I was trying to solve. Every problem that I didn't understand right away, it was just like trying to solve a puzzle and I love that. But I didn't have any boundaries. And when I had children, I learned quickly that I had to start establishing some boundaries about my work and my professional life. And having boundaries, establishing them when you had them before and then sticking to them. And that's really challenging at every, every phase in your career, whether you're the most junior person or the most senior person, having boundaries and sticking to them. And I found that there were times that people didn't respect my boundaries and I was trying really hard to maintain them. And there were other times people were really respectful. And I found out in most instances when you had a boundary that was known, people respected them. But it was up to you to maintain it. And that was something that I consistently was challenged with, right? To go from no boundaries at all, to actually having some that created a sense of normalcy in my life. I would love to also talk about a few instances, especially in upstream, in Kubernetes community, where I've really had a lot of growing experience as well. This was like back when I started leading the Kubernetes 1.13 release. I, again, one thing led to another and I was nominated to lead the release for Kubernetes. It was an amazing experience in my life where I had to work through, persist through multiple roadblocks and learn a lot to be able to stay effective and lead the release through success. This was, again, as a release leader, I had to wear multiple hats. It was not just learning the technical side of things and working with people who are veterans in the area, but also being able to influence others without authority, being able to foresee risk factors to the release and mitigate them, motivate a 20% release team and take them all in a unified direction, interact with multiple SIGs and prioritize the feature and put the release front and center. There were so many different hats and skills that I had to learn. Looking back, I would say that was one of the best experiences in my life. It was one of those few times where I really thrived in my career and I felt that taught me a lot along the way as well. We can choose to reproduce the violence that oppresses us or we can choose to create something different. So if I can let you to live with anything from this talk today is the fact that we create the context that we're working every day. We do it in the way we communicate, the way we involve others and the way we behave ourselves. So how can we make this a space that everybody can enjoy? How can we build our sense of being based on collaboration and compassion instead of violence and aggression? I learned two very, very important lessons as a kid. One from my mom and one from my dad and my mom taught me always how to stand up for other people and she always believed in you need to walk a mile and somebody else's shoes before you ever judge. And my dad said that's super important but the most important thing you can do is learn to stand up for yourself and I realized I really would struggle to stand up for other people if I couldn't first stand up for myself. And so, how do you support one another? First, you've got to learn to support yourself. Any negative talk, any of these feelings that you're an imposter or whatnot you've got to let that go. That's energy not just completely wasted, right? It goes into a space that doesn't help you. It doesn't catapult you forward. And I was talking to a friend of mine and they were doing the same thing. They were just telling me all the reasons why they were beating themselves up about this thing that they were thinking through. And I remember saying, if I came to you with the same problem, you would support me. You'd be my biggest advocate. You'd be my biggest cheerleader. Why are you talking to yourself this way? And she was kind of taken aback and stunned and I was like, you've got to be your best advocate. Learn to stand up for yourself that you're capable of. And so then coming to the point of how do you support one another? When you can stand up for yourself, you can actually know, like show up in a room and it kind of comes back to like, how are you present and how do you show up in your everyday life personally and professionally? Are you show up and thinking about a million other things or are you showing up and giving attention to the thing that's happening in the moment? Being present, you recognize so many things that you wouldn't have recognized if you were multitasking. You recognize what it's your turn to speak. You recognize what it's your turn to present. You recognize what somebody may have had a bad day. You recognize body language. You recognize tone. You recognize the feeling in the room. You recognize things you never would have recognized otherwise. And so the way in which you can best support another person is you show up and you be present. And when you see things that don't feel right, that don't sound right, that don't look right, you can speak up and you can speak up in private. You can speak up in person. You can speak up in the whatever way in which you're capable of in that moment. But it gives you the opportunity not only to recognize that something is off, but then take action against it. And for me, whether it's racial inequality, gender inequality, whatever the inequality is, the way to make everyone feel like their voice is heard and to be seen in the world is that you actually see them. And you can only see somebody when you're focused on them in that minute and present in that very moment in time, not thinking about the past, not obsessing about what's happening in the future, you're there. And that to me is the best way you can show up and support people because you'll begin to start to recognize things that you may not otherwise have seen. Finally, how can we all support one another? There are multiple ways. I spoke about it a little bit. Try to speak up for yourself. Let your work do the talking and make sure you take advantage of the opportunities. And for folks on the other side who can actually help make sure you pull up folks. Identify people who don't talk much, who are soft spoken, but still have the potential and try to pull them up. It could be as simple as asking folks to lead a meeting, take on more leadership position, ask for their opinions and reviews and design reviews or project reviews. Or it can also be something as simple as, not simple, but something as critical as hiring a diverse team, bringing more people from different vectors in the society, be it genders, be it different ethnicity background, roles and responsibilities. Build a diverse team that can work, grow and thrive together. That way you're actually giving more space for all other voices to be heard. And when you see something, say something. Support one another, make sure that we stand up for each other and I'm sure that will go a long way in building a great team, great product and a great company as well. Thank you for coming to this talk. I hope this question is inspiring to you, to me, and I'll see you next time. Thank you so much for having us. I'm so honored to be a part of this panel and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your event. Thank you. Thanks a lot for hearing out what I have to say. We hope you enjoyed the talk that our speakers had and now we're going to reflect a little bit on what they had to say with their interactive activity. So I will share my screen. You can use a phone, your laptop. You can use a tablet, whatever device you have and go to slido.com and enter that code. I'll drop a link in our chat. You can also go there and it'll take you directly to our activity. So I'll give everyone a moment just to get there. All right. So where is everyone joining from?  See Netherlands, Barcelona, Toronto, Munich, Sweden, Romania. Oh, we have some California in here too. Philippines, Buenos Aires, all right. And how did these stories make you all feel? Were they encouraging? Were they inspiring? Motivated? Ported? Hopeful? Itchy for the solution. I like that one. Remarkable. I'm glad to see it inspiring on the top of the list here. What words come to mind when you think of a leader? Operations, sporting, strong, mentor, confident, compassionate, supportive. That's been a trend so far. So if you're reflecting on that, let's break down some notions. When you thought of those words, when you thought of who you imagined as a leader and you started building that up in your head, did you think of someone who was a man, someone who was a woman, someone who was gendered non-binary, or did you not have a stereotype at all? I've done this activity before where a lot of the participants selected a man because typically when they thought of CEOs for companies or the way that they had been introduced to technology and leadership, most CEOs and high-rank executives were men. But the truth is that all of us in this room have the ability to be leaders, and these stories should inspire you and provide some insight on just different qualities that we can impart within ourselves and on others to be able to embody being a leader. Who is your biggest role model? It could be a specific person, someone who's a celebrity, someone in your life. Mine is my mom also. It seems like moms have been pretty inspirational here. And what have your experiences been like in the workplace? Do you feel like you've generally had challenges that you've had supportive experiences mixed, challenging and rewarding, struggling as women, sexism, respected, supported, included, mostly challenging and now supportive, had challenges as women? It seems like we've had a mixed level of experiences here. That means we have a lot of work to do still so that everyone can have a positive experience. And think of your own experiences in the workplace. Everything that you just mentioned, things that you were thinking of, what comes to mind when you think about what an ally should be? Should an ally be someone who gives you a seat at the table? Should they be someone who helped uplift you, someone who listens, an inclusive ally, a supportive ally, someone who lifts you up, respectful, interested in your story that's very important, gives feedback, creates a safe environment, someone you can talk to? These are all really important things that you should look for when you're trying to find an ally or be an ally to someone else. Now, what are some ways that you want to be supported? It can be specific, it can be something generic, it can be based on a real experience that you had recently, mentor support, clear pathways for growth, constructive feedback, mental health support, yes, included in decision-making, alignment. I encourage you, everything that you're saying here, to start advocating for yourself. Find an ally, find a mentor, find someone who will be a sponsor for you, and have them advocate for you in the different ways that you want to be supported. This is how we build allyship, this is how we support others and be allies for them. So this was our last question, and before we drop off, I know we are almost at time, but if anyone has a question, I'd like to give them a moment to ask. 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Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering Dell Technologies World 2019. Brought to you by Dell Technologies and its ecosystem partners. Hello everyone, welcome back to theCUBE's live coverage here in Las Vegas for Dell Technology World 2019. I'm John Furrier, your host of theCUBE with Dave Vellante, co-host with Dave. Great keynote, day one of three days. Great event, got two more days of coverage. Our next guest is Jeff Clark, vice chairman of Dell Technology, master of ceremonies on stage with Michael Dell. Great to see you again, CUBE alumni, welcome back. Thanks for having me. So you're pretty busy, I know you're super scheduled up, so thanks for spending the time to come on. My pleasure, looking forward to it. So talk, break down what's going on here, because a lot of slew of announcements, some game changing announcements, some new partnerships with Microsoft in the kind of the end user area, pretty positive once competing with VMware now tied in. Dell Technologies under the covers of the full portfolio of services, massive macroeconomic tailwind around people repressing their infrastructure for the cloud. You guys are in good position. Oh, I think we are, thanks for having us. You know, to me, the biggest takeaway from this morning's keynote is the level of integration and alignment across Dell Technologies and all of its assets. And we built upon that and gave two very specific examples. Pat and I talked about on the PC side, trying to address the needs of this new digital native workforce that's coming in to bear with no boundaries of how they wanna work, where they wanna work, and how to modernize the PC experience. And we introduced Dell Technologies Unified Workspace. And then the second announcement, which we're really excited about, is the alignment of our company around the Dell Technologies cloud. And the fact that we announced the component of a platform where VCF is integrated onto our VxRail products, and you can deploy that on-prem as a solution today. And then we talked about building on VMware's announcement late last year around project dimension, bringing project dimension into a reality, a data center as a service of the VMware cloud on Dell EMC, a data center as a service backed by Dell Technologies. And then we expanded upon that with Azure services on VMware. So a pretty busy morning for us. Yeah, project dimension, I want to ask you real quick about. I always said that that's a fantasy kind of project because it was so radical and early on when you think about it, but it makes so much sense when you think as a service with software as a service, why wouldn't you want to have the cube as a service? Data center, and everything is becoming a service and that's now clear, but it's hard to do. That is an interesting product. I think that's certainly an edge product. You guys can see that clearly, but what's going to be the impact of customers because this is now kind of easier, easier to manage when you think about deploying a data center. There's a couple of things I think are underway. One is workloads are migrating back to on-prem. And those workloads come out of a public cloud, so the cloud operating model is something customers are familiar with. Now with our data center as a service product, we have a cloud operating model that drives consistency and ultimately provides an operational hub from the edge to the private cloud reaching out to the public cloud. Then you can get that as a specific product, build out your own or this managed service as you just referred to. And we think that's a pretty compelling proposition to help customers, particularly in smaller deployments, whether it's on the edge, remote location, remote office. And it's a service fully backed by us, single price. And we think it has a huge advantage in the marketplace to help customers deal with fewer vendors or manufacturers to get a single solution from one, from the hardware, to the software, to the service and the support. So you talked about alignment across Dell Technologies. You were clear in the analyst discussion today as to what your primary go-to-market is with regard to VMware on Dell. I did, Dave. That was clear and appreciate the concise clarity answer. You also talked about barriers to integrating that you've removed. In some respects, you do a lot of things, and one of them is you're a fixer. What were some of those barriers and what does that hold for the future in terms of momentum? Well, I think the first barrier that I encountered when I began leading the ISG team, we fundamentally weren't aligned with VMware. We had a strategy, they had a strategy and while we worked both for Dell Technologies, we saw the world differently. And Pat and I recognized that early on and are working together, and we began to wrestle with that. And, well, and honestly, Michael and I expected us to get that resolved and we subsequently did. So now we have alignment. We have the same strategy that we're deploying with the same common vision, how to make IT easier and simpler in this data era that we're in today. And then we built a technical framework of where we're gonna collaborate. And quite honestly, we had to teach our teams how to collaborate, what collaborate meant. It wasn't you met once a month and each went off in their corner, then came back and said, look what I did, look what I did. And maybe we had two different answers. We forced an operating cadence and mechanism where Pat and I get with the team on regularly scheduled meetings, essentially every other week and drive technical collaboration across five key domains that we care about. That we think are most valuable to our customers and we're leading by example and breaking down every barrier from go to market, to operational, to technical, who tests what, how do you define what the requirements are, what customers are we targeting and align the teams along those vectors. I want to, one follow up if I may, I don't know if we got time on time, but I want to ask you about the client business. I want to get you on record on this. Very important part of your business is it's almost half of the business revenue. It's a lower margin business, but it's critical that you hold serve in the client business because it absorbs a lot of corporate overhead. I wonder if you could talk about the importance of the client business to Dell Technologies and enabling your ability to do all these other things that you want to do. Well, you talked about the financial components of why the PC business or client business is important to us, but let's not forget, customers want an end in solution and one end of that solution is what's on the edge of the network and the PC is still the primary productivity machine in business. I don't see that changing. So the ability to start from there and then migrate across our stack to the core, to the cloud, as you've heard us talk about that, is a difference maker, a differentiator from us over every one of our competitors today who may have this component, this component or this component, we're in a unique position to bring that together. Then we can bring differentiated value by linking the seven assets of Dell Technologies together in a highly integrated way. We talked this morning about SecureWorks, Workspace One from VMware, RPCs, and then our total service offering around ProSupport and ProDeploy that stitches that together in a very differentiated way. That's what customers want and we're able to do that and that has components of the entire enterprise, per se. Jeff, I want to give you thoughts on the customer situation. Obviously, one of the keynote customers was Bank of America and I like how the CTO, how she said this. It's not how we got here, it's how we go forward and this is really the digital transformation reality. The rules have changed a bit, certainly there's some tech that's coming to the table, it's going to be good for customers, but as you look at the trends and pretty clear what we're seeing, you've got developers and you've got operators. You kind of compartmentalize the different roles within the corporation. That seems to be the big ones within IT and operations and then the workloads are the result of the developers that have to run on the operation. So it seems that you guys have a clear view that you want to make that infrastructure be operationally consistent. That was one of the messages. Spot on. How are customers talking to you about this? Because one anecdotal thing is Google, for instance, has their own cloud for their own search and everything else. They have SREs, Site Reliability Engineers, which kind of validates this notion that operations is highly critical with developers for those now multitude of workloads because Edge is going to spawn huge amount of applications, we think. More workloads, small and big. So existing workloads, new workloads are coming. How do you guys see the operation pieces? I think this is a real key point. But I think in simple terms, customers are asking us to help them drive out complexity in their operations, help simplify it so they can actually invest more in the types of technologies, the application, the development of things that differentiate their business. So if you believe that to be the basis which we do, then driving out complexity, having a consistent level of automation, a consistent operational model, a hub to be able to move workloads across any of those environments, we think is a real advantage, and it will lower their cost. They will have consistent infrastructure, a consistent software management stack, management orchestration and automation. We think that's exactly what they're asking for, and the reality is we believe we're on the, we just announced the ability to do it. And if you get the developers get revenue on top of it, so cost savings and revenue. On the customer conversations, could you like stack rank the pattern of issues that come up that they're concerned about that they're solving? Opportunities that are challenges today, opportunities tomorrow, what are some of the areas that are popping up to the top of those conversations? Cloud strategy, security, how to do DevOps, Edge, and how to deal with all of this data. We've got a question from the crowd. Ask Jeff about sustainable innovation and Dell's work in transforming electronic waste into jewelry? I didn't know about that. And ocean plastic and the laptop packaging that I did know about, but I think the question came from somebody who works from you, maybe. Maybe so. That's a good question. That sounds like a softball to me. You make a jewelry. We've been on the forefront of what we call the circular economy, where you reuse materials that you introduced in the marketplace in new forms. Whether that's wheat straw, the byproduct of harvesting wheat and turning that into packaging. We announced that CES 15 months ago, recycling printed circuit boards, extracting the gold and creating and providing that gold, in this case to a jeweler who made jewelry at a recycled printed circuit boards. Our commitment to use recycled plastics and to take all these plastic bottles and do something with the material. We have a high percentage of our products today that are built on recycled plastics. We have many examples, wonderful choices of PCs in front of you as carbon fiber in it, using the carbon fiber in the product is actually a waste out of the automotive industry that we reuse to build out this product. So we have a long tradition and something that's very important to us, a building sustainable products recycling materials to be able to do that across our entire portfolio. Jeff, thanks for coming on theCUBE. I know you're tight on schedule, appreciate the time. Final question, I'll give you the final word. What's the most important story here at Dell Technology World this week, in your opinion? Dell Technologies has a breadth of unique hardware, software and services capability and like anybody else across our seven strategically aligned businesses that will help ultimately make customers' lives easier, simpler and reduce complexity in their environments. And the numbers are showing that financial performance is looking good. Congratulations. Thanks, thanks for having me. Jeff Clark, Vice Chairman of Dell Technologies here inside theCUBE, breaking it down, sharing his insight and commentary on the announcements and the event here, Dell Technologies. Stay with us for more live coverage, day one of three days of two CUBE sets here on the ground floor at Dell Tech World. We'll be right back.


Well, here's the last set of news like a top story in crypto and bring out a bite-sized pieces today. Just as the title suggested, Cardano is being delisted. I'm going to tell you what is going on, and I think we're going to talk about it a little bit about the reasoning behind why this is all happening right now. So we'll take a look at that. Also, we're going to take a look at why it revolves around all utility. I'll just take a look at Oasis Protocol and Facebook Meta as they kind of join together. I think this is going to be big. I don't know why this project hasn't exploded already. And lastly, we'll talk about 50% off just by using a specific crypto for the different shopping you're going to do around Christmas time. So we'll take a look at all those things. But first, let's take a look at what's going on in the market. So today, hey, besides that delisting thing, everything's looking pretty good as far as the market in general. So we've got a total market cap of 2.6 trillion. Not so bad. I'll take it. I don't know if we're going to hit this 96,000 or whatever it was from plan B, but hey, what are you going to do? 57,390 for the Bitcoin price. And if we just take a look at it, I mean, sentiment is around, you know, 50-50. We're using trade the chain for sentiment analysis. And yeah, over the last 24 hours, I mean, it's been kind of sideways. I mean, 6% up for Binance Coin, I suppose. So not too bad. 10% down for Avalanche. Ouchie. And I will tell you, there's been some rumblings about Avalanche, how good it's been doing, but also because more people are using it, the network gets a little bit more congested. So people are kind of finding that out. 20% up for Crypto.com. It's going to break in the top 10 at some point, I swear. And then things just going pretty good, a little bit sideways. And for me, when I woke up today, it was down much more. And I was just like, man, but yeah, I looked at my overall portfolio and there were some pretty good things. When I take a look at like some different parts of it that I think are doing pretty darn good. And when I take a look at this, it's all my Metaverse plays, Metaverse and gaming. So the central land was up at this, at this point at 6%. And then also we had a sandbox was up like 30%. An engine coin was up by under 10%. So again, don't sleep too much on these Metaverse plays. It's kind of like it balances things out. As you see the cryptocurrency type part where the old school blue chippers kind of just fall down a little bit. But then this Metaverse play and the play turn goes up. So it's like a teeter totter. I'm kind of liking how things are looking in that aspect. And then also people have been asking me about, hey, are you worried about these dips, especially what's going on? Well, I mean, yeah, I'm a little bit concerned myself. I don't like dips. I wish it would just go forever, but it doesn't work like that. And just like a recap, I'm sure you've seen these things around the YouTubes. In November, this was in 2017, if we take a look at it here, corrections are pretty deep. I mean, usually when they happen, 30 to 40%. And the last one, this one that says 2410, 30.3%, that was in November of 2017. It was a pretty sizeable correction. And then, but after that, everything just blasted up. So don't discount the fact that there's going to be bumps going along the way. It's okay. It's going to be all right. We're not traditional markets. If you don't like the price, just change, just wait a little bit. It'll change. So that's what we have going on in the market itself. Let's just get into today's one of the big stories that I'd like to talk about, which is Cardano being delisted. So Ada, I like Ada. I mean, down here, you can see that I'm talking about DNews, the DNews pool, and I'd be able to stake it and whatnot. So what the heck is going on here? Well, this came to my attention. Actually, it came to my attention from two people. One was a subscriber that said, Hey, I got this email from Etoro. And the next one was James from Invest Answers. And he put this on his Patreon. And yes, I'm a member of his Patreon. It's fantastic. If you can get in, you should get in. But he linked to this one, Etoro to delist Cardano and Tron for US customers due to regulatory issues. Here's what's going on. And it says here, according to Etoro, the decision is solely due to business-related reasons, citing the evolving crypto regulatory environment. Okay. For holders of tokens, Etoro say that US customers would be able to sell their holdings in exchange for the dollar. Then it goes on to some other tangent. It gets kind of boring. I'm not going to even bother with that part. So here's the thing. When James was talking about this, he's right. I mean, it's not the greatest optics for what is going on. I mean, in all honesty, Ada being delisted will probably play a little bit of a part as far as price action. I don't know if it's going to go down a ton or just a little bit like 0.5%. I have no idea. But again, you have to think of it as why did they do it? Well, they did it. It's all related to the Howie test and having to do things with, is it a utility? Is it not a utility? Is it a security? What's going on? How is it all working? And remind you, the Howie test is from 1933. So I don't know how they're actually able to put that into this context. I mean, maybe Genzo's got a super secret way. I have no idea. But that is what is going on in this space. And when I think about it, I mean, here's the deal. People are going to sell at some point and some people are going to buy it. The question is, how many people are going to buy more on this news as opposed to the other way around? Optics isn't great. I will tell you that. But if it is all about utility, I want to remind you of some things before we go on. So first of all, what separates Cardano from all the other different projects out there?  Some people love Cardano and everything in the middle. Let's take some emotions out of it for a second. First of all, I'll play the devil's advocate and say, yes, we don't have a decentralized exchange. Yes, the smart contracts aren't perfect right now. And yes, they need to do upgrades with the language as far as Plutus. The thing is though, you have to remember, if we're just talking about utility, which is what I kind of think things are going on here, there may be other aspects of why Itoro delisted, but I think if something has to do with utility, there are still these things called NFTs and they are pretty big on Cardano. If you don't know, I've been minting NFTs for a while now on Cardano, super cheap and super easy, just like this one at Cardano Combat. They gave me this one to give away. So follow me at newsasset and I'll give you one of these NFTs from Cardano Combat. So and that's just that one. You've also got Ada Ape. He's got his own Wild Warriors and those types of things. There's a plethora of different NFTs you can be minted on top of the fact that if we're talking about the metaverse, you'll take a look at Cornucopia. I will link that in the description. This is a metaverse island. And of course, to get around, you're going to need Cardano to buy NFTs and do things around the game, which is all going to be based on Ada and Cardano. That's a little bit of utility for there. On top of that, you're also going to have these little mini games inside the Cornucopia's game. And what are you going to use? Probably the in-game token, but also a little bit of Ada to go around. I'm going to need Ada. You're going to need Ada. That's what we call utility. Also, don't forget that Sunday Swap has just gotten done with selecting their state pool operators. First of all, thanks everybody for voting for me. Unfortunately, we did not get in that top 30 spot. We were in number 40. Not because of the amount of votes, mind you, we had the seventh most amount of votes for to be a state pool operator, DNews be a state pool operator. That didn't matter because they went by the amount of Ada in those wallets that we're voting, which whatever. I'm not going to get into it in this video, but sure. But Sunday Swap is doing their ISPO, their state pool, or their initial state pool offering. And they've already done some transactions, as far as DeFi. What are you going to need to make that run? You guessed it. It's going to be Cardano on top of the fact of WorldMobile, which they are trying to connect the unconnected in places like Tanzania and different places in Sub-Saharan Africa, where they're going to build the infrastructure and then base their economy based on Cardano. And then also, we'll take a look at, this is funny, even just this was on November, this was yesterday. They're putting out a blimp, a WorldMobile blimp for the infrastructure to, from what it looks like for as far as like connection and the space as far as Wi-Fi or telecommunications, excuse me. And of course, what do they need for the actual monetary funds based on Cardano in the blockchain? So again, why they did this as far as eToro is anybody's guess, but this is where we're at as far as what's going on. You are free to play it either way you want. I'm interested to see what you have to say in the comment section and try to keep a little bit of emotions out of it. Good luck. And then let me know what you think about that in the comment section. Let's move on to our next piece. And, well, you tell you already talked about Oasis. Oasis and Facebook meta. So this was actually pointed out to me on Twitter and I just totally perused over and I thought this was a pretty big deal, but no one's talking about it. So Oasis protocol inks a partnership with meta to facilitate AI computing applications. I'm like, tell me more. So this one blockchain startup Oasis protocol announced a new alliance with the artificial intelligence unit of meta platforms, NASDAQ, Facebook or FB with both geared to develop the capabilities and applications of AI computing. So when I first read this, I'm like, okay, well, who really cares? Because I mean, if they're working with meta, it's probably going to be pretty closed off and just going to be their own like little private blockchain or whatnot. But here's where it gets interesting. So they scroll down here. Oasis protocol brandishes a privacy enabled blockchain platform for open finance and a reasonable data economy. As a layer one blockchain network Oasis permits anyone to build on its secure protocol. However, privacy enabled blockchain platform. So I'm like, hmm, if anybody needs help with privacy and losing data, it definitely is Facebook or I guess we can call it meta now. And then that just happened November 18th, mind you. So I was like, well, what did the price do? Not much in all honesty. So this is Oasis protocol rose 41 cents.  That's how I found their website. And on CoinGecko, it's the market cap is 604 million. And in seven days, I mean, okay, 28 cents. Now it's at 40 cents. So I guess I mean, did pretty good. Excuse me. But I mean, not to where you would see like this is like astronomical as it's working with Facebook. Now I know there's a lot of things, a lot of more happenings coming on the pipe. But to me, I will probably be doing a deep dive in this project and see exactly where it is. And right now I think it's in the low 100s or between 100 and 200. So definitely something to watch. Let me just think about that in the comment section. And lastly, we'll take a look at 50% off. Everybody likes to save money. Nobody doesn't, I think. And this real quick, it's from Shopping.io. I covered this in our video a couple days ago about the Bitcoin decks and the video I'll link at the very end. And really all it really comes down to is you go to Shopping.io. I'll put the link in the description, of course.  I had no idea that was a thing crypto Tuesday mega sale. And then you can sign up and anything that you want to buy, whether it be from Amazon, eBay, Walmart or Home Depot. I'm sure a lot of you have those in your areas. Then you can take up to 50% off. And see what I'm talking about. I'm not going to be a dead horse. Just watch this video link in the description. And that is it for today. So look, I know it was actually a little short today. We actually shortened up things today. And I know people are pretty, they're going to see this story about Ada and Cardano being delisted and really get bent out of shape. And some will be like, eh, whatever. But in all honesty, as everything comes down the pipe, and we'll see how it all goes.  And that's why Ethereum got a pass because it wasn't because Ethereum had so much utility. If you ever read the book, The Invisible Machine, it talks about how the way that they bypass everything as they talk to their lawyers. And their lawyers said, yes, if you want to get around the SEC and the securities, make sure it's a utility. So we're going to just drive home the fact that Ethereum is all about gas and what it can do. It's the same thing, I think with Cardano. Now, there may be something else coming out. And there's going to be some price action, but let's see how it all works out. I think the long run, as you've seen, things going to be okay. All right. So that's it. So look, if you liked today's video, I found a little entertainment and education. Give it a thumbs up, give it a like. Also consider subscribing. A lot of things we talk about are time sensitive, especially these next two or three months. So that's it for today. Thanks so much for watching. I appreciate it. And I'll see you on the next one.


Alright Trevor, you sure we got all the West Point Pillows? We have them all. Excellent. Alright, one last thing. We need a status update on the 2015 Get There Goat. It's in the previously disclosed location. Excuse me, I need to take this. Get back with you later. This is not an exercise. The time has come for an epic battle. General Kasselin has his forces in place to defeat Mabus and Vice Admiral Carter. All Jedi's must assemble. You've got mail. I cannot believe that man is my father. There we go. Knock it off. We'll settle this in Philly.