Welcome back to Senate Education on February 16th. We're now shifting our conversation to vaccinations in schools. Dr. Levine, Secretary of French, great to have both of you with us. As the committee on education, we thought it a priority to have a conversation around vaccinations. What does it look like going back to school after the summer? What should we be thinking about now? I'm thinking two things, certainly around. And we also have the chair of health and welfare and usually a majority of that committee here as well, which is great and a huge help to this conversation. So let me frame it up with two things. Number one, the COVID piece, COVID vaccination mandates, whether or not we should do that. I do that. I'm also wondering if you might in your comments mention if other states, I did a quick Google search look like maybe California and Louisiana were doing it, but I could be wrong. The other piece is actually a bill in center Alliance committee that I have and I'm just, and we don't need to really jump into this but just know because it's actually it's really in center Alliance jurisdiction, not this committees, but at some point even later I'd love to just talk about the assumption but today let's talk just about COVID. So with that, for is yours. Easy topics, easy topics. Yeah, good afternoon Dan for Secretary of Education, maybe, since I started with a health prompt this would be more appropriate for Dr Levine to begin this time. Hi, Mark Levine, Commissioner of Health. I'm trying to respond to what you just put into a big package. Yeah. This isn't my day by the way Dr Levine I'm really not knocking it out of the park so you'll have to have to just bear with me. I'm sorry. This could be my last day here. The first day I come back to the state house could be my last. But I think you know what I'm getting at. Thank you. So, let me start with a little history. Because obviously we do have some vaccines that are required for the K through 12 levels. Okay, and normally we're quite cautious about that we are in our normal course of business we usually await expert guideline setting and don't just go out there on our own so to speak. So whether we're talking FDA advisory committee on immunization practice ASAP or CDC. But our history with the current required vaccines is we're pretty consistently around the 95% range. So very successful with students and all those grades. And there's a report coming out in four to six weeks that will be the most recent years experience which should again be at the same high level. Normally, just to give you an idea of process, we would have a tremendous amount of stakeholder engagement. We at the Department of Health would look at all of the science. We would come to our own conclusion. We would get the input from our pediatric colleagues at a AP and the pediatric infectious disease community input as well. And then we would have a commission advisory council you've heard about and talked about previously within Vermont. And we would want them to deliberate as well because their charge is to make formal recommendations to me as the commissioner of health. We would then have to engage in a rule change process and obviously that would involve some public inquiry input as well. That becomes part of that process. I certainly have to justify, if you will, if I could use that term, why Vermont should jump out ahead of any of these other national expert guideline setting bodies or panels or ASAP. Did you want me to address some specific items about COVID that explain why this didn't happen yesterday. Sure. Okay. So, obviously, we know that there's a paucity of severe outcomes in our children. That's been very consistent. And even though the news headlines when people over dramatize things during Omicron has been more pediatric hospitalizations than ever. It's probably true because there were more cases of Omicron than ever everywhere around the country. But that doesn't mean kids were having worse outcomes. It just means a very low rate of severe outcome was magnified by the large number of people afflicted by getting the virus. As you know, the vaccine has been available to our adolescents for some time this year, but the five to 11 has been the most recent, and they are very recent. And the zero to four of course, is still pending and not on the agenda for the FDA's advisory panel yet because the data is really not ready. And our own experience in Vermont is quite good right now. We are up to a 65% rate in our five to 11 age group. We're well in the 70s and the adolescents. And in that 65%, 54% of what we would term fully vaccinated, meaning both doses, and 6% have received one dose. Uptake has been steadily increasing. And we don't actually know the final landing point yet, because it continues to be a moving target. So all of that is advisory to us right now, if you will, and we are watching the data closely. We're aware that we have abundant testing capabilities in schools. Nurses can do symptomatic testing of children who become symptomatic at school. And so we have a lot of windows into understanding the impact of both vaccination and the disease on our pediatric population. And so that's sort of way of the land as it is right now. I'm trying to remember all the things you mentioned in your preamble. If I've covered them all I didn't cover the other states, but I'll let Secretary. So are you recommending as the state's chief medical officer that as we move back are you thinking about getting to the point where next fall as we're starting to talk to constituents and others that the state of Vermont would mandate COVID vaccines for students. So are we thinking about it we think about a lot of things all of the time. Yes, so so this is in the, this is a possibility. Oh, absolutely it's in the realm of possibility but it's not something we are thinking about today as something that my gosh, we need to make a quick decision on this. You're starting to sound like a politician, you're really. But you know, I do believe that the data is supporting a more. What's the word. I don't want to say we're sitting on our heels but a more to live a more deliberate stance. Okay, because it is a moving target and we are having great success and knock on wood. The experience and kids in our state has been wonderful. We have not had the level of serious outcome sometimes it only takes one or two bad outcomes to generate, you know, sufficient energy enthusiasm, alarm in the public and even in state health officials to want to do something. It would have to take a lot of really bad outcomes now because things have been really going very well with regard to our children and with regard to our ability to keep our schools open and keep in person education going. And that's getting better all the time. So we need to keep thinking about this unquestionably, but we don't need to think about it in an urgent manner at this time. So what would the process be to get to that point. I know that there's a there's a council so what sorts of. If I were talking to a constituent the deliberations. This is, I know you, you're not, you don't make decisions on your, you know, you have a team of folks, and tell us a little bit about that council and how it needs and they give recommendations to you, etc. Absolutely. So the council just had its first meeting. Okay, for the last somewhere under two years, it's supposed to meet annually, but with the pandemic it didn't have its meeting a year ago. The meeting was mostly operational I would label it. But understanding what the future agenda could hold. The council's charge is essentially to make recommendations to the commissioner of health regarding vaccination schedules for students K through 12. And it is advisory in that regard it makes a recommendation. Obviously would get some of the same input I get from my own department, because we would have members of our immunization program on the council and available to the council, so that all of the important data regarding other vaccines and their performance in a required versus non required stance would come to light. And their understanding of the up to date data on this vaccine would come to light as well so that they could use that in their deliberations. We would also seek as much input as we could from those federal and national bodies, whether they be in the government, meaning FDA CDC ASAP, or whether they be in the more professional organization like infectious disease Society of America, a AP for the pediatricians academic home, etc. So, a lot of pieces going into the hopper to enable us to come to a reasoned conclusion, regarding what we wanted to do. I hope that answers that. So, so when I think the other question I would have is how, how often does the group meet. And I'm not and the only reason I'm asking is I'm trying to get a sense of would. It doesn't sound as though you would anticipate it being February that a mandate for vaccinations would would for COVID vaccinations would happen before the end of the school year it would be perhaps it's more to the fall. And that's what I would think. Okay, certainly we want the council to meet again, just to do its usual work, which would be to know this report that's coming out in four to six weeks to be able to review that understand where we are with the traditional vaccine schedule, and how Vermont schools are doing with it and how Vermonters are doing with it. So we want that input for sure. One would think it beyond belief if COVID wasn't at least on the agenda, as an item for them to begin to have a discourse on, even if it wasn't as formal as having 1000 pieces of input and testimony. Yeah. I apologize if you've already said this what percentage of our students, you know, K through 12 are vaccinated that are at, please on on COVID, COVID, COVID. So for K through 12, I mean it gave you a 65% for five to 11 age. You're now asking five to 17 which I do have somewhere give me a second. It doesn't have to happen right now. I gave a 70% for the adolescents. So, well in the 70s, yeah. So about roughly 65% of the kids that are in schools right now, something like that are vaccinated. Yeah, let me get you a precise. Absolutely. Yeah, no. So, as the discussion is going on and you're very definitely going to be listening to CDC as well, I would think. And kids are kids are different from what we've seen happen in adults. But I can't help but ask my health and welfare question which is around the next booster shot, and what you're learning about that because that will, that'll affect adults and it'll affect children, ultimately, but I'm just, is there any. I think that I, when I read it just all over Robin Hood's barn but what, what, what are you getting out of the information about the next shot for people. So you're referring in a sense to the fourth shot, as opposed to. Yeah. Okay. So just so everybody's clear. Center for the mRNA vaccine. The words fully vaccinated now include the two shot series. We look at fully protected and up to date as it being a three shot series that third shot sometimes called a booster but I believe that's actually not what it is it's just part of your initial series to get your immunity up to par. The general lines is now referring to yet a fourth shot and at one interval that would occur. So the CDC just came out in the last week or so with more formal recommendations again because they changed the interval dosing for immunocompromised people, which gave them another opportunity to review it again for the gender. I don't know how these things happen right now. Right now the general public third dose is listed as five months, whereas previously it was at six months. So that's changed. So foreshadowing of yet another dose. And I think part of that is because of the fact that Omicron is now so much on the retreat throughout the country at different way different places different rates that it's no longer as serious a consideration for giving people yet another shot. So what's going to happen is people are going to do studies and continue to follow immunity levels, mainly by neutralizing antibody levels of vex in their bloodstream to see how much waning occurs in individual people over time. The second thing that will occur is there will be more whole genome sequencing than ever before, so that if another variant comes along will help hopefully have the lead time to do the laboratory experiments to know if current vaccines will still be effective or if they'll be what's a new invasion on the part of the next variant form to the vaccines that exist, but there's been no talk about a fourth dose yet and everyone from Dr Fauci to the CDC director everyone down has been very cautious about saying we don't believe the data shows this is needed at this time. And we're just going to have to wait and be patient, but to make sure everybody on the call understands if you are at all immunocompromised. All of those individuals should have a fourth shot. And that's very clear in the newest iteration of the guidelines and the interval for that happening has moved even closer to after basically a month or more after the third dose of your vaccine you're eligible already for a booster. So that's a different population makes up a few percent of the total population. So what as kids are the kids who are vaccinated. What are you hearing about the their transmission of the virus even though they may be vaccinated. I mean our kids are kids the little carriers that people had been talking about early on. I think with Omicron that's proving to be more true that it was earlier on, to be honest. But the reality is, yes, I mean they every human being has been more susceptible to nasal infection with Omicron is the portal of entry, and potentially being able to transmit to others. And I don't believe prior to Omicron it was as dramatic as that. Thank you. So you're personally. Thank you. I don't want to go into too many questions if we were also going to hear some kind of presentation from Secretary French, or are we just all questions today. Well, this is a, this is a good conversation do you want to just go ahead and ask it in. Yeah. I know it's just about this definition of vaccine and unvaxxed or vaccinated and vaccinated because I just want to make sure I have that clear like when I look at the Department of Health website when it says, you know you have a lot of nice graphs about you know, vaccinated and vaccinated. That's the two shots because what you when I heard I think I heard you say just want to make sure I get this right that vaccinated is two shots even though fully protected is two shots in the booster. Right. We show it both ways now. Okay. So, and that just went live actually so you can go on the vaccine dashboard, and it will show who's gotten boosted, as well as who's just gotten the full series. So but fully vaccinated is two shots. Are you saying it's the three. No, we haven't verged from the national definition. We've just brought in the amount of data we're providing. And then, yeah, that's that's helpful. I think I did see a graph on VT digger that did break it out like that which was helpful and then. So, somebody that has just one shot. Do they fall on the unvaccinated or the vaccinated pot. They fall in the categories have received at least one dose. Okay, that's another category between you and me. It was worthless for them to get vaccinated. Well, the two of you and everybody listening throughout the United States. But it is true one dose one doses and not going to really help anybody in this age of Omicron and beyond. So I don't want to appear non compassionate because there may be people who said, my adverse reaction was so severe that I cannot get another dose of this, and I have to respect that and then. And also trying to tie your comments and in a purchase with Senate Alliance just keep in mind that the five to 11 year age range only gets two doses at this point. That's all that's been authorized under the way. But if I if I see a graph that says, these are the unvaccinated that that that's pop that is including the single. No unvaccinated means nothing. Okay. Hopefully, as we get more data and we can break it out like you said you just, you just done that. Okay, I have other questions but we can go on. Okay. So just for clarification. So when Senator per six was talking so am I I have as an adult, I have my booster. Is that considered fully vaccinated or is just the two shots considered fully vaccinated. Okay, that's the national definition for the national definition. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Until it changes until it changes. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Anything else for Dr Levine at this point, he's going to be with us for a little bit, because we have questions please center personally. I have another question is probably more productive being and that is on the vaccine schedule. Is there a time, have we ever taken off a vaccine off the schedule like, I don't know, polio or something probably at one point was required and isn't. The advisory council, he said that's their normal work they looked at the schedule. And then there's a third time where, you know, if the disease isn't around or if, like, we're at 99% vaccine does it come off that requirement. So, so I don't know if it has anything to do with the advisory council but certainly smallpox would fall in that category that because that's now considered a pretty much eradicated disease. It's a pretty rare phenomenon. And we certainly would never go with just the Vermont immunization advisory council recommendation on that we would hope they were bringing it to our attention, because we hadn't gotten there yet. And everybody in the healthcare world was saying, we don't need this vaccine anymore. Dr. Levine, Secretary French. Thanks for being with us. Any comments related to responses to some of the questions you've heard or anything additional thoughts that Dr. Levine left out or anything at all. Certainly, as Secretary of Education I am a member of the advisory council so I think you know you've heard from Dr. Levine that the function of the advisory council is just that to advise the Department of Health and it has a statutory purpose that predates coven. We certainly have this on our radar to address the coven issue. We did have a meeting recently it was largely an organizational meeting we still have pediatric member that needs to be appointed by the governor previous member had retired fairly recently. And Dr. Levine has the authority to appoint several members as he mentioned, largely, most likely from his staff and immunization expertise from the health department so that council, you know will be constituted, and we'll begin working on this issue in the coming weeks and months. And other than that your comment about what's going around nationally, you know I too am an observer of some of that so it is what I'm seeing right now is largely just political activity, certainly at the state level. You mentioned Louisiana I think you know Louisiana is a good example where they had a legislative committee recommend not to mandate the vaccine I believe the governor vetoed that and then put put coven on the mandatory list under his own authority or whatever they've delegated the governor. Then we see a lot of districts also that's another level of activity so it's not just state level activity so there's activity around school districts themselves particularly some of the larger urban school districts are taking that up I think that's really how the ball got rolling in California and LA and Oakland were in San Diego we're thinking about that. So we've seen that level of activity and then there's what I observe another layer of activity that's focused on athletics specifically so we've seen school districts around the country mandate vaccination for athletes for as a condition of participation and winter sports and so forth so again largely my from an anthropological perspective I would suggest it's largely political activity at this point. But we are, we are connected through our national organizations and I think that's one of the things we've leveraged and you know Dr Levine and I've been a lot of the meetings together and work closely on various issues related to schools. So we do leverage our national organizations and so we're tied into those conversations as they emerge. But, you know, we're very pleased at this point with the level of uptake and vaccination at our schools as you know we're we're endeavoring to do some reporting on that information. It's, you know, it's again always challenging when we're doing these data tasks that rely on joint agency cooperation and coordination because we, we have pretty substantial data protections and privacy protections and acted in our various agencies so when we work with those boundaries that can be challenging but I think in a good way. So, we are working on that I think it is, as we come through the amicron surge we're very interested in focusing on those ecosystems those school districts that haven't achieved higher vaccination rates I think it's a good proxy for operational stability going forward and we'll likely see other variants will will continue to have cases in schools and that'll come and go on a cyclical basis. And we think often about those lower vaccination rates and some districts and ecosystems contributing to more instability so we want to think about what we can do to support them, certainly to improve their vaccination but just to ensure that we can keep those schools open for those kids center lines, you have your hand up. I mean as you're going through the discussion with the advisory group. And from your, your perspective in AOE. One of the things of course that we've always been concerned about is ensuring that there's plenty of time for notice. Regardless of what's going on out here in the real world terms of the, the virus or not the virus I mean it makes it so difficult I appreciate that but have you set kind of a time in your own mind. After what, where the decision has to be made about whatever conditions should be in place. When kids and teachers go back to school in the fall night now I also know there's summer school after school stuff going on, you know, so it's continuous but I think parents are looking for the day the door reopens in the fall so do you have kind of a timeline that you're putting in place you're thinking about, and you're muted. Really, I just. I haven't thought actually directly about the specific issue because so much of it is dependent on the science, you know as Dr Levine described there's multiple layers of, and I think again appropriately multiple layers of scientific review that need to occur. I can just fall back on my experience leading school districts that you know in August August is always a busy month for schools that's where a lot of we see a lot of enrollments up until the last week or so before school starts. So I would think you know certainly the best case scenario would be if there was some requirement like this coming down in August if not early August would be useful to allow people to make those decisions but again. I just intersected that sort of let's say my experience reference with the practical aspects of how long it's to take to stand up vaccination clinics and how long it's take to get people fully vaccinated you know what would that look like. So I haven't done any of that calculus yet. I guess I'm thinking, in particular about notifying parents, you know what, how much time does it take to get the notice out to folks so we don't run into some of the issues that we've seen, you know, with the reopening of school. Not all those questions. Well it is, you know, back to sort of the observations and the lessons learned nationally I think that's precisely, you know, part some of the problems we've seen, you know where I think California announced a certain date and they found out that would exclude a large number of students from Los Angeles from being able to attend school so you know those things have to the operational aspects have to be factored into that decision making. So I would, you know, if we think about sort of the ideal of doting parents, letting parents know in the summer in advance of the fall that would be sort of a best case scenario but what's proposed, you know, propelling people forward in the case of California for example I'm sure as a sense of urgency over the public health requirements so conceivably these kinds of decisions can be made mid year. And then it's then it really does become a function of logistics and ensuring people have access and are motivated and have the right communications and so forth so again hard to predict how this would play out. But we do, you know, I would just reflect and say we have the appropriate structures in place as a state to make sense of these decisions that we've been fortunate to have so many different experts weighing in. We have been very generous with our time throughout our management of the pandemic whether it be the infectious disease docs at UVM or the pediatric experts that we have. Everyone's really, you know, chipped in to contribute to the safety of our school so I think we're poised to, to make sense of this and to be proactive as we have throughout the pandemic. But it's not clear to me yet what shape that decision making will take or what trajectory it would have. Thank you. I'll try to slip in two questions. One is about the, I heard from the governor's press conference on Tuesday about the masks and how that relates to vaccine so I haven't read the article so maybe you can just update me because I think I saw 80% vaccine and, and that's related to the mask so maybe just update us on that thinking and policy and if that's settled or still something to think about and the other just question I have that you too probably can or anybody maybe here can remind me we don't have it mandates anywhere else like this state employees are, are encouraged to get vaccinated but if you don't get vaccinated you can test and still go to work if I'm correct. Am I correct that there is no absolute mandate for vaccine anywhere that the state has done I know the feds have their mandate for like certain fed workers but my correct that we don't have any mandates in the state for vaccines. Well start off with just an update from the press conference so to speak and we had a policy mechanism of call it this 80% threshold that we had written into our guidance back in a August. We did go live in September, a totally different moment in time sort of pre Delta, you know, and we were intending, and I think appropriately seeking to leverage our, what has emerged as a national leader in terms of school level vaccination. And also wanted to, you know, encouraged to provide incentive to that so the challenge was lauding our accomplishment because we still have a lot of work to do and we really those last mile issues so to speak in terms of vaccination are some of the harder ones. And we did create that mechanism and then put it on delay I think at least three times because you know that we started getting into the Delta context we weren't weren't satisfied that that was an appropriate decision and it was in January. We were dealing with Omicron that we delayed it again and said it would go live February 28. Then we certainly suspected, I think you know that Omicron would have that steep sort of Omicron curve and the steep decline. And that's more or less played out as we predicted in that regard but 28th was essentially picked out, you know, it's the other side of student vacation February vacation so it's let's go with that is sort of the next milestone and if we need to will delay it again. So what we announced on Tuesday was that we're not going to delay it again so it goes operational, but I think more to the point. You know that the idea of the threshold was something we had inherited I was inherited we created back in August in a different moment of time so we felt it's a useful tool. We've talked about it enough we've delayed enough let's start. But what we've been thinking more about is just the general trends that we're on it's not so much a specific threshold. You know as I said at the press conference we see Connecticut Massachusetts Rhode Island, not, not surprisingly states that entered the Omicron surge earlier than Vermont and exited earlier than Vermont, making decisions to remove mass now. Rhode Island's a little later in March 4. So we were signaling that we're on this, we're on this sort of glide slope if you will towards we'll call it more endemic management and I think the real my takeaway on that is that schools will no longer need separate mitigation requirements than the broader mitigation requirements and there's no special reason that schools need protection and we had to have those special reasons before because we had a large number of the population namely students that weren't eligible for vaccination so we erected a multi layer response to keep them safe and also education as a policy priority. As we, as we're contemplating the sort of the post Omicron environment and I think you know Dr Levine would agree that it's accelerated our thinking, you know, about endemic and where we're heading and certainly there will be variance they will come and go will continue to have cases in schools and so forth. But my observation, largely with vaccination is that we've, in spite of these fluctuations we've since the beginning of the year we've, and since last spring, we've been on this trajectory of continually driving down the risks from the virus you know it's vaccine has been a significant contributing factor in that trajectory, but we have the new treatments coming online and so forth so that you know, as in spite of the cyclical experience the schools have experienced directly on a daily basis. In the background spin this this movement of vaccination that's really driving down the risk so we're at that point where we can contemplate, removing some of those measures and this is where we start to. And this is where everyone is intersecting the risk from mass relative to an educational perspective versus the health perspective and we have growing understanding that that mass are causing some anxiety if you will there's certainly they interfere with some of the instructional opportunities inside of schools we have, we have schools in the state that still haven't enabled music this winter because they've been fearful of that and mass. Masking with musical instruments we spent a lot of time on that last winter is really kind of tricky. But any rate, we don't feel it's necessary now but we still have schools doing those things so we have to kind of move down this trajectory of weaning people off those types of mitigation self homegrown mitigation and so what we announced on Tuesday is like we're going to we're going to do the 80% we've talked about enough we just think it's a good way to get people moving in that direction. We're behind the other new England states a little bit but at some point and not too distant future it's likely we're going to recommend a removal of mass altogether. It still would be a local option so school districts would have the option to keep the mass in place and I think we'll see a lot of individual decision making which I think is great and Dr Levine I think would agree. That's that's kind of where this is heading is like each of us has to do that risk assessment and we also have to think about the people next to us and a respectful and kind way you know that someone sitting next to you doesn't have a mask on it doesn't mean bad things you know they're they're doing that own risk, their own risk assessment, but you know increasingly we just have to acknowledge in Vermont our schools are incredibly safe and I made the point on Tuesday, I don't know, you know which schools in the world are safer than Vermont and we do our higher vaccination rates and so forth and our strict adherence to our mitigation measures. So we need to have the courage to make that next step but it's it is a we prefer to take a phased approach to the 80% sort of like a toe in the water. But that that decisions coming soon and we want to give folks enough notice to start thinking about those things and starting to work towards a personal and organizational level of acceptance that it's okay. You can do it so. Did I hear that we have a list of where everybody is like we know there are some schools that are over 80%. Yeah, that's what we're working on now is alluding to we have we took. We're working on some joint agreements between our agencies to take the immunization registry information and intersect that with the enrollment data so when when students children were getting vaccinated they, they were not required to disclose the data that they attended so we had no way to sort of do that match our first attempt to this started before the holiday we were asking nurses to identify the percentage of students that are vaccinated in their school by going into the registry. And that we only got about a 50% response rate to that because the nurses were just, you know, buried with contact tracing and everything else and so we had to think about another way to do it. I mean, the school year we thought of doing it this way to but we didn't have accurate enrollment information the enrollment information doesn't. The reporting deadline isn't October 1 and then we go through a big cleanup process so it's only recently that we have stable enrollment information from October one, which is, you know, outdated but at least it's stable. We're trying to do that match right now I think you know again our interest was to prepare for the sort of next level policy iteration where we want to focus in on specific districts and schools to find out what supports would be useful to them. If they had lower vaccination rates it wasn't so much to think about the what can we do to raise those vaccination rates so certainly we are interested in that, but it's also to acknowledge you know again this idea of organ or operational stability that those districts that have lower vaccination rates, we should prepare for them having difficulty staying open during times of surge so we want to figure out what supports are necessary to enable them to keep schools open for kids. There are questions for Dr. Levine, Secretary French. I could answer the second question that Senator Perk attack. We don't have an absolute mandate for state employees but we have a requirement that state employees be vaccinated but it has an off ramp. So if they so choose to remain unvaccinated they don't lose their job. They are. They must attest to their status and to the fact that they will have testing performed on a regular basis, which is usually occurring at their side of work for most people. So they don't have to travel a lot to get that done. So what percentage of state workers have been vaccinated? Yes, today I heard the number was 94%. Thanks. Senator Campion. Yeah. Could I share my screen for a second to answer the question I could answer previously. Absolutely. Daphne will grant permission. There you go. Hopefully people can see something. Yeah. Okay, so these are publicly available slides that are on the DFR website. And this is the most recent week. We don't show all of these at every press conference because the press conference would be even longer than they currently are. But this shows the remarkable performance of our youth and really reflective of their parents of course as well with regard to vaccine in the age groups you requested. So this is five to 17 so K through 12 essentially. And you can see the robust rate that we are way ahead of the majority of the nation at 676.3% starting vaccination. And then we move to fully vaccinated, meaning they've gotten two doses. Almost. Well it is two thirds essentially. Again, way ahead. And then for those eligible for a booster, which means age 12 to 1734.5%. And then finally, we get where we are with our vaccination progress. If you look at the juniors and seniors in high school, if I could characterize this bar graph, a bit more broadly than perhaps I should, we're up at around 80%. Everybody in the middle and early high school years, 75%. And of course our newest population, lower than those two. But this is really, you know, substantial progress. Dr. Lee, would you go just back to that the slide that mentioned the 34%. I missed. Is that 34% have gotten the second shot. No, no, I'm sorry. Third, third shot. Yes. Okay. Right. Okay. Well, these numbers are, yeah, this is really, really good news. You don't, you know, I think of a like a lot of 18 year olds as being seniors, while you cut it off at 17. It has to do with the EUA that came out and what age range. Okay. Everything before was 18 and older. I was going to add some commentary from, that's okay, Senator Purchick's question, you know, about state. And I would just say, I think that, you know, we have as Dr. Levine described that state requirement, and that's, I think useful to think about in terms of not so much as a state requirement, but an employer employee sort of association. We have that playing out in school districts as well. There have been several school districts have explored that by leveraging their employer employee relationship to require a vaccination. But I, you know, I just make the observation on our student vaccination data. We, and draw the distinction between staff vaccination versus student vaccination because we have a high degree of staff vaccination in the state well over 90% we suspect. And we think that's very consistent, you know, regardless of if you're in Canaan, or, you know, and will stand at the rate is very high. The vaccination rate, on the other hand, varies considerably. We know that already, just in the patterns of the county basis and so forth and we suspect that will play out the school level. But it's interesting to note, if you think about Vermont's population and where the density of our population exists, it exists in Chittenden County, which tends to be a more progressive, I'll say political area I'm providing political commentary. That's great. You think about Chittenden County being more progressive and perhaps more interested in mitigation measures. And that's precisely where a lot of our population is concentrated so it shouldn't surprise folks that we have a state level rate that's considerably higher and if you compare perhaps to a southern New England state. A lot of their densely populated urban centers are are really tough nuts to crack relative to vaccination right so they have distrust people of color distrust of government and so forth. There are some advantages in our regard but we we have this other Vermont as well as you get out in the rural landscape. And that's where you know we I call it the last mile to borrow the metaphor from broadband. We have to get down to those small very small economies of scale to push a needle on vaccination. That's a good one to push the needle on vaccination. We have a lot of work to do in the landscape and it doesn't really result, you know, and, you know, take a batch of vaccine up to Canaan, it isn't necessarily an efficient way you know there isn't a large number of people there to do that. But those are the kinds of issues we have to address and sort of the next level that's why it's important that we maintain the momentum, because we, it is pretty amazing how high rate we've been able to achieve but we still have a lot of, a lot of work to do in the landscape and to keep that momentum moving is important. Great. And I completely support and agree with everything Secretary French just said, and we have maintained school based clinics and community clinics throughout the state. So these opportunities have been ongoing. Based on whatever data we now have to analyze about the student vaccination rates in some of these settings we may need to adapt strategies again to, to meet the need. And just in sort of tying in the slides we just viewed. We are doing remarkably in Vermont. I think if there's anything I showed you it's the fact that most of the country is not doing remarkably yet with the uptake in our youth. And we are doing remarkably. So I fully support and will continue having the kinds of conversations we're having today. But you can see that we are still so far out in front that we don't want to prematurely make any decisions that with time, the state may arrive at the destination. Anyways, without enforcement, if you will, of a mandate kind of level, because we're just seeing the growth in this continue to occur.  And I wonder if it also if you see an adult sometimes that people go for the two and then, you know, the third it's just not happening is, is there some some sort of anecdotal info or scientific info on that.  Why I guess I'm wondering, and that's the million dollar question it's it's hard to understand. Now data that I just presented to the state this week shows that at least in a CDC study that was just performed. The likelihood of a serious not a serious but a systemic adverse reaction from the third shot is less than that from the second shot. So that should be reassuring to people who are worried that oh I didn't do so well with the first and the second. I don't even want to try the third, because it turned out the data would argue against that. So that was very pleasing to see at any rate and hopefully people will take notice of that. There seem to be the sense of urgency that people had when they first got vaccinated. And as part of pandemic fatigue it's part of learning to live with the virus and understanding what we've all been through.  I'm not exactly rushing to get that booster shot, at least that final third of the group that needs to. And you know, this is really what's required when people talk about herd or community levels of immunity. They really want to be immune that level with the current virus and its current iteration. And it's unfortunate that we just can't have that same sense of urgency applied now but that's my interpretation. Secretary French, I think was going to say something as well. Yeah, I was just going to just a anecdotal observation of the sort of intensity or the need for communication around that particularly with school employees wasn't there for boosters like we saw with the initial shots, for whatever reason. But we know school staff have participated in that we did have. And if you remember when we first launched vaccination for school staff, there was a large number of school staff in Vermont that received the J&J vaccine. So we did see a lot of interest when that information was coming out around the booster. What do you do if you've had J&J. We did see a lot of interest on the part of teachers and staff around that question. But my general impression is a lot less interest in the booster. I don't see the level of activity that we saw with the initial vaccine series. Thank you. Any final. Yes. Thank you. I hear from constituents about adverse effects from the vaccines and reference to some database of adverse effects for vaccines. I'm assuming you get this question every once in a while. Dr. Levine so I just wonder what what you, you know, what's the what's the response to that what do you recommend we say to our constituents that are worried about about that. Yeah, if by once in a while you mean every week. Yes. The database is called VAERS, which is vaccine adverse event reporting system. It goes to the CDC. It's a publicly available database. I think more practitioners put the data in then the public but the public still can. Anything that you could remotely construe as an adverse reaction to the vaccine, no matter when it occurred in terms of time after the vaccine can be put in that system. So it is a broad net that's being cast by having that system. It does get analyzed by CDC, and that's where we learned a lot about myocarditis, which is one of the more serious, obviously adverse effects, even though it's quite rare. But that's where the data, one of the places the data came from to help support an understanding and a warning about myocarditis, but generally, most of the people who raise the questions regarding that system want to undermine it. In a way, because they basically want to say believe everything in the system. And if you do, it means at least 15 people in Vermont have died because they got the vaccine, which of course is not true, or we would be really on top of that. But this stuff does go through vetting by the CDC and further follow up an analysis so that we can actually know rates of bad, really bad outcomes. And the system shouldn't be viewed as this is the truth just because it went into the system. It's what really the analysis of what went into the system is that counts. So, and again, not to discount that people have adverse reactions, but the majority of the adverse reactions are either local reactions to the shot, or they're what we call systemic reactions that any shot might give you like fatigue or chills or fever, or what So, really hard to understand that not every reaction is one that we should take note of and warn people to never get the vaccine. Thank you both very much. It's very helpful appreciate the full hour that you were able to give us. It means a lot. And we also appreciate everything the two of you continue to do. Okay, I think we'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you appreciate the support. Committee we have right. Yeah, thank you doctor rights and democracy. Today is their advocacy day. We'll take a little break just quick stretch come back at four o'clock, and we will pick up with them. Thanks.


Efallai y gallwn y gallwn cygon iawn i chi. Rydym yn fydd y cymuned hwn y gallwn ei wneud. A'r Ysgrannu Cymru wedi gwahanol ym y Critwch Hôl impartiaeth yng Nghymru i'ch bethau i'r Ffynosach Ddodd, yr Ysgrannu Cymru, ddod yn bwysig ym liydiadau adroddau i sicrhau hynny o ysgrannu iawn. Wrth gwrs, mae'n gweithio'r pwyntau lle ni, y gallwn cy�� ymlaenogau ac yn ceisio pa'r cyfan. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'r canadwyr ac ar deng. The question for us was what can we do in Scotland? So the committee came to a majority view that we will make a recommendation to government that we should lift the ban on prisoner voting rights in Scotland in order to move forward with that society that looks at rehabilitation. We look forward to having a response from the Scottish Government on the recommendations from the committee's report and we look forward to continuing as this conversation because as we said in the report this is majority view of the committee. It's not yet a conclusion and when we reach that conclusion hopefully our recommendations gyda ni'n gwneud o'r rhaid o'r ffordd yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru.


They always try and escape. No, no! Get back in! Hey! Get back in! Get back in! So four of my daughters are in school right now, which makes mornings a tad wild. Now I'll be honest, I do not love cooking breakfast. So I love having things in the freezer that I can pull out, microwave in 60 seconds. So that's what I'm going to show you today. Now I've been throwing a few hints here and there that we have chickens. Why? We got them in April and they are finally starting to lay eggs. Now I thought chickens laid eggs in the morning, which is not necessarily true. Ours come in the afternoon, but I'll tell you what. We're getting about four eggs a day right now, which can add up rather quickly when you don't eat eggs every single day. So I'm excited to take all these eggs and make them into freezer meal breakfasts. All right, let's jump into it. The first recipe is our bagel breakfast sandwich. All you need is some cheddar cheese, some eggs, some ham, and of course, some bagels. Now the instructions tell you that you can cook an egg in a mug. If you're going to do that, I try and find a bigger mug that's about the same size as my bagel. But if you're going to make a lot of these, I would just scramble a ton of eggs and just use scrambled eggs. So I'm going to do it in a mug just to show you. So you're going to spray it with nonstick cooking spray. I'm going to crack my egg into the bottom, crush up the yolk, give it a little stir, and we're going to cook it for 60 seconds in the microwave. While that's cooking, I'm going to get the rest ready. I'm going to open up my bagel. Then onto each bagel, I'm going to add a piece of cheese. If you have thicker ham, get thicker ham. This is pretty thin, so I'm doing two pieces. Then we're just going to plop the egg right on. Easy. Easy peasy. Just word of warning, your egg will explode. So don't forget to paper towel off top of your egg.  So I'll just put it right in the middle so there's no bagel showing. It will freeze a lot better this way. Then I like to keep them all together and just put them into a freezer meal bag.  You might need to go get a little bit more, but usually a minute is good. The next recipe I'm making is breakfast potatoes. Now we're roasting these. You can actually freeze them after you roast them. For this recipe, you need six red potatoes. If you want to make bacon, you can. I like using bacon pieces because I'm lazy. Then you have olive oil, shredded cheddar cheese, some garlic salt, and then some salt and pepper. I'm going to first cover my cookie sheet with foil. Then I'm going to chop the potatoes into bite size pieces. Once you're in chopping the potatoes, just pour them right onto your pan. Next, you're just going to drizzle some olive oil on top of the potatoes and then mix them all around. I'm using my fingers because I don't want to cut bowls in the foil. Next, we're going to season the potatoes with garlic salt and a little bit of other salt and some pepper. Then again, I'm just going to mix these with my fingers. You're going to be flavorful. Lots of flavor. Right now, you're just going to add your bacon. We're not going to add the cheese quite yet. I'll show you what I'm going to do with that. Right, we're going to cook these at 400 degrees for about 20 to 25 minutes.  Now, the one thing I love about this is that you can take out a few. You can take out all of them and just heat them up in the microwave. Now, with the cheese part, go ahead and put the cheese on right before you microwave them and it'll be all nice and cheesy potatoes. The next recipe is turkey sausage sliders. For this recipe, you need some biscuits. It calls for five eggs, but we're going to use six because they're kind of small. I don't know if you can see this. They're pretty little. Then we have some lean turkey sausage and some cheddar cheese. First, you're going to bake your biscuits by what it says on your package instructions. Now, while that's cooking, you're going to get everything else ready. So this is my turkey sausage. Now, the original recipe says to cut this into 10, but I only have eight biscuits. So we're going to cut this into eight slices. Okay, I'm just going to heat up a skillet and then just put these little guys on.  Then when you're done, I am going to add a little bit of garlic salt. I love garlic salt and eggs. We're going to whisk these all together and then scramble them up. All right, eggs are ready. Sausage is all cooked. Biscuits are cooling. Now, we're just going to put it together.  We're going to just use half of it because we don't need that much cheese on there. Just a little bit of eggs, a little bit of sausage and there you go. Look at how fun that is. Now, before you wrap these in foil, make sure they're all the way cooled down because you don't want them to be soggy. Now, the best way to heat them up, you can heat them up in the microwave or I like to do it in the air fryer so you get a little bit of a crispy biscuit. And this one's my lunch. That is good. Thank you so much for joining me today. If you want more freezer meal breakfast ideas, I got more for you. Oh, thank you. Right up there. All right, guys. I'll see you later.


Pandivh replies Senate President Lawan on his comment on restructuring saying Presidency must return to the South and on the issue of Kaduna protest APC Governors tell NLC to return to the negotiating table and stop flexing muscles. This is cross politics and I am Mary Anna Cohen. The Pan-90 Delta 4 in Pandivh has condemned the anti-restructuring comments made by the Senate President Ahmed Lawan. It said the Senate President's dismissal of the position taken by the 17 southern state governors across party lines were disgraceful. The group also insisted that the presidency must return to southern Nigeria after President Mohammed al-Buhari completes his tenure in 2023. And while speaking on the refusal of the government to sack the Minister of Communications Issa Pan-Tami, the prelate of the Methodist Church of Nigeria Samuel Uche has faltered the lukewarm approach by Mr. President saying a hidden ethnic supremacy agenda exists. Well joining me to discuss this is Ola Lekon Ighe. He is a social commentator and Ken Robinson is the National Public Publicity Secretary of Pandivh. Thank you very much for joining us gentlemen. Thank you so much for having us again on the program thank you. Great I'll start with you Mr. Robinson because Pandivh seems to be in the forefront of this. The most important thing that was highlighted in the statement that you put out is the fact that the South needs to be or the presidency needs to be zoned to the south of the country and my question is why? Yes thank you so much. Pandivh had a general assembly on on on the 17th that's on Monday and the general assembly is the highest decision-making body of our decision-making organ of our organization and far-reaching decisions were made and the Niger Delta position was clearly stated and one of the issues we came out with was that the presidency must return to the South in 2023. There is some kind of on written agreement but in the parties constitution some of them are clearly stated that power rotation is captured in the constitution of some of the parties and so after eight years of the not an and in the person of President Muhammad Uwari being president of the country power should return to the South. Now our position is that where it goes in the South is not the matter at this time whether it is south-west south east or the south-south is not a matter at this time but for fairness equity and justice and in the spirit of oneness and to give a sense of belonging to all Nigerians power must return to the North and we are saying that it is irrational and unreasonable for anybody for anybody anybody at all from the northern part of the country whether it be north east north west or north central to consider and taking over from President Muhammad Uwari and it will be completely unacceptable we have said it is non-negotiable and it will totally unacceptable for anybody outside of the southern part of the country to to to become president of Nigeria in 2023. That's our position. I know that you're not necessarily a politician per se but I want to push you because you're coming up with this idea of Opandif is saying that the South must have that presidency after come 2023 but I'm curious if we were to point to the South let's for example say well we're giving power was zoning and rotating power to the South. Who are the people in the South that would unanimously say well we're going to either give it to the southeast or the south-west or maybe the south-south do you think that there's that unity or purpose in the South because of course yes the southern governors have come out for the first time in a long time to stand against the issue of insecurity across the country but when it comes down to party politics can we really say that there will be unity of purpose or will there not be a division of sorts when it's time if the if parties political parties decide that they're going to give you the South's southerners an opportunity to choose your president. Are we sure that there's going to be that unity of purpose as we're still hearing it in your voices right now? Politics, Opandif is not a political organization. Opandif is an organization that projects and protects the interests of the Niger Delta people but as you know more than I do everything centers around politics in Nigeria and politics is about the distribution and control of wealth who gets what what goes where and so we are saying that the issue at this very moment is not whether it will be south-west south-east or south-south but let me let me say that there is a new awakening a kind of a new realization that these cannot continue the way they have gone on in this country forever in perpetuity. These must change and and you can see the change that is happening that there are there are realignments going on people are beginning to realize that look we need to work together and that together we are stronger and and that's demonstrated by the meeting of the southern governors on the 11th of May where they put aside party nucleonations and party preferences and came together and spoke the mind of the people of southern Nigeria as a body as one people not whether APCPDP or any other party and I'm sure that that spirit and that that that new realization will go forward and and we will produce a Nigerian president that will be president of all Nigerians not the president of a section and in every section of the southern Nigeria whether it's south east south west or south south we have Nigerians people with capacity capability and the mentality to become to to to to become president of Nigeria not president of south west or south east or south south and that's what we say we want to give to Nigeria someone that will be the president of Nigeria not the kind of presidency that we see today that is lopsided and skewed against a section of the country in favor of a particular section we must move away from that that that situation okay let me go to you Olalekongi just following up on what he has said that Pandev and several other people are pushing for you know zoning of the presidency to come to the south south now I remember vividly a few months ago I interviewed the deputy publicity secretary of the People's Democratic Party when the party members in a dough state were pushing that the presidency be zoned to the south south and I was asking if the PDP had any plans for 2023 to zone their presidency to the south south and he said no that they that everybody should throw their hats into the ring I also haven't heard the APC screaming at the top of their voices that they are zoning the presidential primaries or giving it to the south south or even the south in its entirety so again I'm asking how feasible is this push for zoning in to the southern part of the country whether it be south south west southeast or south south yeah politics is again remember and it's all about positioning it's all about bridge period it's all about appeal it's all about connection it's all about making people really ordinarily the presidency should be returning to the south in 2023 without the northern part of Nigeria producing Nigerian presidency for eight years and it's only natural that comes to the southern part of Nigeria whether it will be south east south south or south west remains debatable the most important thing is zoning to the southern part of Nigeria to have a Nigerian presidency and the south cannot begin to put itself in order if they can put the house in order and oh we did win okay now let's talk about the reasons behind the zoning yes you have said that ordinarily but I mean like you also said it's politics and it's a gain then like I've said the PDP has said outrightly that every hat should be thrown into the ring so it could be it could be anybody that emerges in and that person may not necessarily be from the south but do you think that maybe pandaf is being a bit too emotional because of what's happening in the country because of the insecurity or maybe because of how people perceive Mr President's handling of the you know the issues that the country is facing and that's why the south is agitating for what they're agitating and if there be any pointers to people that we would want to front or political parties might want to front who are those people remember in the south there's always that division when it comes down to it to pick who should represent us then we remember where that person is from or that that the person is not truly maybe in Ida Delton or truly a south isner how do they blur those lines well I think it's for the start to determine the southern part of Nigeria as enormous human resource that can occupy the presidency of Nigeria whether be any person of any nationality we have the resource we have the material we have the humanity we have people who are competent enough to be this country we have former governor so much senator former assembly member or whatever they may come from the south has the enormous capacity to produce the Nigerian presidency remember we are not talking of the president of the south we are talking of the president that will rule the entire Nigeria's federation so the material that they allow the political parties to zone their presidency whatever to any part of Nigeria if PDP is saying look every part of Nigeria should throw its ass into the ring no problem that's out of view connection that's out of view bridge that's out to appeal to people it's left for people who are members of southern part of Nigeria or in PDP to appeal to the generality of the party to say look look at our track record look at what we have done for you can you please bring this to the south it's also for the people in APC they're not as the president as at the presidency for eight years president Muhammad Bari is a member of APC so it's also for members of APC it's from the southern part to also appeal to everybody you know across the divide to say look you've got a presidency for eight years why don't you give it to us to let us have a fair share of what is going on and to be fair to some leaders of APC and particularly the governor of Zulum and some other APC members have said look power most of the animals go to the south in 2023 so it's for people from the southern part of Nigeria to continue to build bridges ahead of 2023 appeal to the generality of the party and also remember power is not given freely it is negotiated it is battle for so they must also put a out in order please grant us this desire to have presidency for the southern instruction then allow the political parties to go through their the membership of the parties go to the party primary and whereby they imagine the rest of Nigeria will vote for such a person all right let me go back to uh Mr Ken Robinson Mr Robinson Pandev again has spoken about Mr President's handling you called it lukewarm to borrow your words and of course you seem not to be okay with how the president has handled the issue of the security now the president as we speak is in France having a meeting with other african leaders with the French president Emmanuel Macron but a lot of people have criticized the fact that he was quick to jet set to France to talk about issues other than what is happening in his backyard and of course the president also spoke recently about what's happening in Israel and Palestine but yes we do have an issue in Nigeria and the president has spoken on he spoke on the the the heels of easel featurey and he did say that he was going to put an end to banditry but what what else must the president do to show Nigerians that he's responding to our cry well let me borrow your word by saying that we have issues in our backyard and we are more concerned about issues that are in the other countries but what happened said that let let let us restate our position that the greatest problem of Nigeria today is the way and manner the affairs of state have been conducted that's the greatest problem nepotism is the greatest challenge we have there is general disaffection people are not happy there is anger there is anger in the land and when those situations exist people may do things that ordinarily they would not want to do so so the the first thing that Nigerian government president want to do is not uh soliciting for assistance from outside the country what is correcting the errors in the country that are the root causes of some of its challenges we have for instance and we'll continue to say this in a country of such a diversity we have 17 top appointments heads of top military paramilitary intelligence agencies in the country that are consigned with the security of the country 14 of them are from one section of the country only three are from the south south east south south and southwest some states in some certain parts of the country the northern part of the country as two of those kind of offices and you want people to be happy that kind of a situation and you think that the security will be right i say this with all sense of responsibility i'm sorry i'm gonna have to go right on to we are great governance is andro de nigeria i'm sorry to talk over you but i want to play the devil's advocate here that is not the making of the president is it because um i've i've spoken to a former service chief before and he did say something in the you know in the line of um you know we do not have as many people from the south you know in those ranks especially the highest of the ranks that can be picked and chosen immediately when they need somebody to be made a service chief we do have them but not in the numbers that you have uh in the north so could that also be that maybe we do not have many people in those you know um regiments and that's why we're unable to have them in those positions at the time when we need them and you know how it is you cannot really pick somebody from under to be the head of any security or armed force because you know this is how i'm sorry but we also ask that we also do not have people that could be empty of npa we also do not have anybody in the south of nigeria that could be empty of nimasa you see there has been a systematic elimination of our people in some of those organizations and those agencies and it is deliberate to put us um in the disadvantage position to to achieve aside in in nimasa recently didn't we so why was the change taking why were why were we changed and then somebody from kano or kaduna was replaced by replaced somebody from river state and then the person from kano or kaduna was retained in npa these these are the the inconsistencies and imbalances that are causing this affection on the country people are not satisfied with how uh we are running this country and we have again and again called on mr president to make changes make amendments in our runs affairs of state in appointments at various levels in government and federal agencies ministries and departments you know but but they are not listening and we will continue to have these issues nobody can salvage nigeria for us nigerians will have to salvage this country the people carrying out some of these activities in some parts of the country are not foreigners though we understand some of the bandits are from outside the country but some of the activities the persons who are who are terrorizing lives in in the creeks of the niger delta they are not from kemeron they are not from nigeria republic they are nigerians people were dissatisfied people were angry people were unemployed and so government needs to sit up and address these issues france united states uk can do their best but they won't solve our problems look at somalia it's it's been on nobody's been able to solve the problem look at afghanistan it's been on let us not allow nigeria to degenerate to those those states and it's important that these people should listen and act okay well i like um i'm going to throw the question to you uh as you know we all live in nigeria the issues that we're facing are numerous uh it started as you know pockets of violence but then it has metamorphosed into a hydroheaded monster and which has also created a playing field for all so even people who are criminal just criminals in nature have taken up arms and become you know have been named under unknown gunmen and so all kinds of things are happening in the country um why do you think that it took mr president so long to deal with this situation and now that we have a full blown problem what is still stopping mr president from speaking because there are people who've asked that mr president speak and address the people allay their fears but he has not done that there have been also people who have called for mr president's impeachment because of his inability in their words to handle the situation what do you think the challenge is well i think it's to first of all admit that the security architecture of nigeria has called it's been coming really how much have we invested into security architecture in nigeria a lot of money in the last 10 20 years how much have we invested in security security is not just about the email thing what about the or putting um i city into security and how much are we spending on security really the next obvious question is are we spending enough on security my answer is absolutely no we should be spending less than 25 30 40 percent of nigeria's gdp our gdp as are today is put at about 500 billion dollars it means minimum that we should be spending on security every year should be about 50 billion to about 100 billion how much is united states that is also secured spending on security how much is israel how much is united kingdom how much is france how much is jenny how much check how much they spend on security every year they know that nigeria is not even anywhere near security i doubt that we're up to one million policemen in nigeria it is the responsibility of nigeria police to ensure internal security when last they do you could be put into the nigeria police when last did by adams software for nigeria police how many police have function as a police station have functional cctv in nigeria how many police stations even have national data crime date how many police stations in nigeria have forensic department well equipped forensic department to help us analyze crime situations there are a whole lot of things that we need to look at otherwise even if we let another president in 2023 if we don't gently change the way and manner we can do security architecture in nigeria we will not achieve any results and there's no doubt about that say for the governors nigeria police may have collapsed remember that it is no state governors who buy operational vehicles for police buy bulletproof for voley some have even gone to the extent of trying to acquire guns for police some have built police stations for police not too long ago some security personnel were killed in reverse it it is the reverse the government that has brought about about 280 million to give to the families of the disease how much as police itself have been able to bring that how much as the nigeria army be able to bring that how much as the cost of being able to bring that for each own personnel so what are the kind of time we need to urgently secure security architecture we need to look at the issue of state police in much more decent societies where we all love to copy the united kingdom the united states in france in germany in italy we have we have metropolitan police they have even devolved beyond the level of state for example we have what is called london metropolitan police is restricted strictly to the city of london yeah we have the janisburg metropolitan police is restricted so why don't we have legos metropolitan police why don't we have protaco metropolitan police why don't we have aba metropolitan police because the more you keep security closer to the people the better you're able to know what is going on within this is a lot like the governors the the southern governors forum and of course the pdp governors forum i think just yesterday had asked that we the the president devolve the police force they've asked that he's he signed an executive order so that they can actually have state policing and this is just almost in line with what you're saying but it seems like it's rocket science it seems like it's never going to happen because it became a blame game of sorts where the apc is blaming the pdp you were here for 16 years you didn't do it why do you want us to do it but then the pdp saying well apc you used this to campaign against us in 2015 saying that you wanted to devolve the police and bring some form of restructuring why haven't you done it so and i had a guest yesterday who perceived or seemed to say that none of the people on either sides of the divide seem to really want to do what's right by nigerians because they're politicizing the issue instead of doing what the people need to be done yes can you hear me i can hear you yeah i think what's important is not to also continue to a portion blame is to look at the reality of what is on ground each state has its own peculiarity the amount of police needed in riverside might not be the same number of police listed in the kitty state because different kinds of crimes are committed in different in all manner of state so you must allow the states to tell the police to the needs of that particular state let go for example we need by far more police than than than far aside so you can see how the state police you call me because the police with the state we determine how many policemen they need how much worth of equipment are they going to buy how much worth of neighborhood safety code can they bring up how much worth of local government can be even police because security is particular to every state and that's why we must evolve if we have been doing the same thing since 1960 when we got independence and he's not giving us a different result he means that we need to change we just have to find a way going forward we need to spend more at i'm sure uh from right because i got united states spends more united states of america spend more than 500 billion dollars on security last year alone that is a nation that is well secure with the best of technology with the best of training with the best of technology 500 billion on security how much has nigerian spent in the last 10 years on security adapted us up to 10 trillion and 10 trillion is less than 10 billion years dollars or probably a little more than 10 billion dollars so you begin to understand that look we need to reject our security architecture our borders are so poor how do we police the border how do we get the best of technology the niger immigration service how many functional helicopters do they have the niger custom service how many functional helicopters do they have the nigeria police how many functional helicopters do they have we need to bring all of our base to the table and ensure that we have security because without security there's really no need for us to have the nation because everything will grant to us and that's why niger is hemorrhaging at the moment okay thank you very much let me go finally to you mr ken Robinson before we go the method is prelate had knocked mr president calling him a fuller knee president and said that what we have is a fuller knee presidency in fact he also said that the approach of the presidency to handling the isa pandemic issue and you know allegations of him being tied to terrorists is deplorable he also spoke about those he suggested that the president is a one-sided president and and that's why nigeria is facing what it is facing now i'm asking this question because in the midst of all of the insecurity that we're having we're also having ethnic tensions i'm sure you are aware because you read the papers of what sunday boho had said some days ago that an assault on ipop is an assault on the european nation even though a lot of people have kicked against it but there there are people who are saying something obviously has made room for these ethnic tensions that we've always had which have been an undertone of sorts to become so loud and emboldened in today's nigeria but how do we how do we make sure that it doesn't become a bigger problem going forward it's the mitzvah ideas bits are very up statements concerning insecurity the country and and nigeria is spending on security but we will continue to emphasize that there is a root cause of these these problems there is growing or increasing agitations for separation and we see that increasing there is the media belt movement there is the odudua movement of course there is a prayer friend movement pandef as an organization believes in the unity of nigeria but we are insisting that nigeria must be a country of justice equity and fairness and that is what is missing today in this country it is missing the the catholic priest is right the tendencies of being a sectional president are obvious they are very obvious in every sector you see we cited the situation in the military and paramilitary you you see what's going on in in the oil sector and in every every critical sector of the public service this this this tendencies and biases and inconsistencies and lopsided net is there that this president favors a particular area of this country and so people are disaffected people feel that they are not being considered part of nigeria and you see people from the south being moved from offices you know in very disgraceful manner and and treated as if they are not nigerians as if they are foreigners this country belongs to all of us the niger delta people we have contributed so much to the development of this country and we are saying that this attitude cannot continue okay all right is the is the is the beginning of pollution for the problems in nigeria okay well ken robinson is our pandev and olala konighe is the social commentator thank you very much gentlemen wonderful conversation thank you so much for this opportunity thank you we appreciate all right well we'll take a short break and when we return we hear what the abc governors have to say about the rift going on between the kaduna state governor naster al-rafai and the nlc stay tuned we'll be right back


Hi everyone, Joe for jaskiescasebreaks.com coming at you with 2022 Panini Chronicles football draft picks edition Three box break pick your team number four and if you bought at least a couple of all those instructions there and bought at least two teams You'll get an entry and then we'll randomize all the entries and give away a box. In fact, we're gonna select that box right now First off big. Thanks everybody here for making it happen Here on Sunday the 24th Will with that double last-bought mojo got the Steelers and Titans All right now there's four boxes right here. We're gonna select a die We'll select that we'll just go one two three four if I roll a five or a six We'll just roll again and that'll be the giveaway box Three one two three so that'll be the three box that we're giving away Hope set sorry new to this anything breaking today No Nothing breaking today Of course, we're breaking today everything. We're gonna break everything. This is the website jaskiescasebreaks.com that sells out We'll do it easy. All right. We got Jalen Tolbert Leading things off and that is 71 out of 75 Jalen Tolbert I've memorized this rookie class yet No, you know what? I loaded up the wrong checklist This is for regular Chronicles. There's Chronicles draft picks. There we go. There we go. Cowboys wide receiver Jalen Tolbert That's gonna go to Bulldog Fen and Dallas That Isaiah Spiller to 49 And we got a redemption here and I'm pretty sure That all card ship in this yeah all card ship and there's a qualm Barclay I thought that would might have been a hit and slipped around Hopefully he has a nice here this year say qualm Barclay This Josh Allen three out of 99 and a Justin Ross spectra card That is 53 out of 75. Sorry Justin throwing them around here. There's Kenny Pickett He didn't have to go too far Kyler Murray got a nice extension And there's Aiden Hutchinson full coverage full coverage relic Going to the Lions Detroit with that one. That'll be for Adam. We got a Jack Sanborn autograph origins autograph 60 out of 149 and that'll be for Chicago. That's gonna go to Nico and the Bears All right, and the redemption is gonna be Derek Stingley Jr. in flight signatures and that will be a Houston Texan a Cornerback for the Texans Ken with Houston Fox two of three Juice is asking if I'm prepared to open this immaculate football. I'm always prepared. I am always prepared Are you prepared? Usually a lot of nice stuff in first off the line We got a Lamar Jackson nice 25 out of 25 Lamar Jackson could have a big ear this year and there is a full coverage Chris Olavae Chris Olavae, I'm blanking on where this receiver went. He could be could be a big name this year a Lot of interesting Saints. That's right. We went to the Saints That's gonna be for Bulldog fan will with that one a lot of interesting receiver names out there in the NFL this year And out of LSU there's Damon Clark Damon Clark is a Dallas cowboy. That's gonna go to will where there's a will there's a way and We got a Bailey zap In-flight autograph. That's what that redemption is gonna look like Bailey zap is a Pat riot a Patriot going to Karen and her Patriots 28 out of 75 It's like an on-card autograph to an S Troy Palamalo to 149 Steelers and we got Devante price Jersey and autograph Nice impeccable design there That's 65 out of 199 and the price is right for the Colts Colts That'll be for Jerry Kieran Williams to 99 and There's Kyler Murray in that spectra design always looks sharp and there is a rated rookie card Will be Gwillis All right third and final box. Good luck Remember to get all these non national breaks off the board in the next tonight and tomorrow We'll be at the national starting Wednesday, and we only have the national only breaks to do Well, it's clean up the site if you want to help me out help clean up the site And that could pave the way for all those fun national related breaks big promo involved in that too check out the details Jasper's case breaks calm. All right third and final box. Good luck. We got Jeremiah moon He is a raven a purple bird Ryan with the Ravens And from a gator to a raven. It's a Kenny picket rated rookie hollow It'd be interesting to see how he does this season. There's a Troy Aigman to 149 Josh Allen spectra card. I Think this draft class is gonna be really It's gonna be interesting maybe a little more of a slow burner. I think With quarterbacks topping the draft in recent years Those are kind of the obvious like Guys to chase and guys to root for in the hobby But this year might be a little bit of a slow burner. That might be a good thing Drake London full coverage Drake London went to Atlanta London to Atlanta I'm gonna be for will you've got Pierre strong junior college ticket autograph That's a patriot for Karen. That's to 149 Another redemption he guesses on that for bragging rights There's 40 out of 149 David Bell 77 out of 99 that is Dak Prescott. Nice. I think yeah bulldog fan With Dak Prescott Mississippi State Bulldog fan. There you go. It's nice. It's old college gear. All right. No guesses on the redemption Well, it's gonna be It's gonna be Khalil Shakir in the zone signatures red clear Shakir is a Buffalo Bill Buffalo Tim With the Buffalo Bills there you have it ladies and gentlemen nice three box break in the books Let's see who's gonna win the fourth box. So let's flip back to the list here Now remember if you read the instructions, you got to buy at least two teams to get one entry four teams two entries So on and so forth. So let's alphabetize your names by first name Adam got to that's an entry Jerry got to That's an entry John only got one Karen got to that's an entry Ken. You got three to count for the promo. That's an entry Kyle McNiko bought six teams. That's three entries Ryan Stewart got two teams. That's an entry Tim got four teams. That's two entries and Will got a lot of teams will got eight teams. That's four entries Very high barrier. Just hit us up on support if you go to the website jasky's case race calm bottom left-hand corner There should be a either if you're on a mobile device an orange circle with a question mark or Or on the main site, it'll just say I think support at the bottom left click that give us all your information and Our team will take a look at that and make sure all your stuff goes to the right place All right, so let me just spot check this again Adam Jerry not John. Yes, Karen. Yes Not Kyle not max. Yes, Nico Ryan Tim and will All right, so name on top gets the box. Let's roll it randomize it one and a five six times one two three four five and six and final time After six there you go Nico. Congrats to you Box go on your way. We'll ship this to you sealed if you choose to open it and you get something awesome Definitely, let us know. I'm Joe for jasky's case rakes calm. I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye. Bye


Biden administration completely kills the it's a private company, so it's not censorship argument. And what's surely the biggest, imagine the outrage if Trump had done that moment to date. The Biden administration has admitted that it is giving Facebook a list of accounts to censor for spreading disinformation about COVID-19. We've increased disinformation research and tracking, Press Secretary Jen Sackie told the press on Thursday. Within the Surgeon General's office, we're flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation. We're working with doctors and medical professionals to connect medical experts with people who are popular with their audiences with accurate information and boost trusted content. So we're helping get trusted content out there. Sackie told the White House Press Corps that the administration has a list of accounts who produce most of the anti-vaccine information on Facebook, which civil libertarians are decrying as an obviously authoritarian government overreach. The Biden administration is telling Facebook which posts it regards as problematic so Facebook can remove them, Glenn Greenwald said on Twitter in response to the news. This is the Union of Corporate and State Power, one of the classic hallmarks of fascism, that the people who spent five years babbling about fascism support. If you don't find it deeply disturbing that the White House is flagging internet content that they deem problematic to their Facebook allies for removal, then you are definitely an authoritarian, Greenwald said. No other information is needed about you to know that. There is no circumstance, none, in which it's acceptable for the White House or any other agency of the government to be providing lists to Facebook of problematic content that it once removed. Yet that's exactly what Saki says they're doing. The White House is admitting that they're compiling lists of people who they claim are posting content they regard as problematic and that constitute misinformation and are demanding Facebook remove them. This is authoritarianism. The most common argument you'll hear from those who support monopolistic social media giants controlling speech on their platforms is that these are private corporations, not the government, so it doesn't count as censorship. Whenever you object to Silicon Valley oligarchs exerting total control over the political speech of billions of people, mainstream liberals instantly transform into an army of iron rands defending the private property rights of those companies. The fact that these platforms are inseparably interwoven with the highest branches of the U.S. federal government kills such arguments stone dead. And if you were paying attention, that argument was already dead. All of these online platforms use censorship and algorithm manipulation to hide undesirable political speech from the mainstream public and direct collaboration with government and government-tied institutions. In 2017, Senator Dianne Feinstein threatened social media platforms that alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election means they need to start utilizing more censorship or else face consequences, saying, you created these platforms and they are being misused and you have to be the ones to do something about it, or we will. That same year, representatives from top internet platforms were brought before Congress and told they needed to adopt a mission statement expressing their commitment to prevent the fermenting of discord because civil wars don't start with gunshots, they start with words. In the lead up to the 2020 election, online platforms were openly coordinating with U.S. government agencies to censor speech believed to compromise election integrity. Facebook, the largest social media platform in the world where a third of Americans regularly get their news, openly enlists the government and Plutocrat-funded imperialist narrative management firm the Atlantic Council to help it determine what content to censor and what to boost. Facebook has stated that if its fact checkers like the Atlantic Council deem a page or domain guilty of spreading false information, it will dramatically reduce the distribution of all their page-level or domain-level content on Facebook. Google, for its part, has been financially intertwined with U.S. intelligence agencies since its very inception where it received research grants from the CIA and NSA. It pours massive amounts of money into federal lobbying and D.C. think tanks, has a cozy relationship with the NSA and has been a military intelligence contractor from the beginning. Americans deserve to know what extent the federal government works with social media companies, former congressman Justin Amash said on Twitter in response to Sackie's incendiary admission. Is there any quid pro quo? The First Amendment exists to keep the government from controlling what Americans hear. Free societies counter misinformation with information, not bans. Democrats have summoned tech executives to the Congress at least four times in the past year Greenwald responded to Amash. The last time, they repeatedly and explicitly threatened regulatory and other legal punishment if they don't start censoring more. The content dems regard as disinformation or hate speech. In a corporatist system of government where there is no separation between corporate power and state power, corporate censorship is state censorship. The actual government as it actually exists is censoring speech, not just of its own people, but people around the world. If US law had placed as much emphasis on the separation of corporation and state as it has on the separation of church and state, the country would look unrecognizably different from what we see today. Only infantile narcissists and power-worshipping bootlickers want the most powerful government on earth controlling what people are allowed to say to each other about a virus response which affects everybody, and only those with no sense of self-preservation and trust worldwide human speech to an alliance of government agencies and powerful tech plutocrats. We cannot keep heading in this direction.