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14th about a steel day 2017 on Tom Merritt beyond the new Patrick's out here that's all the friends you're gonna get on Tom Merritt Shannon Morse alongside how are you Ms. Morse Madam Morse rather than Morse now you just you can call me Miss Morse I like that or Mrs. I guess it would be ah man I'm married I forgot oh no hey how's it going good good we are going to be talking encryption today Australia is making they're the latest nation to make a push towards forcing encryption and math to work for law enforcement which means Len Peralta is going to have a higher challenge again I'm gonna try the best I can it's gonna be very interesting yes we have another story we have another story I think might give you some inspiration well hopefully hopefully I can mash these stories together and make something happen we'll see what happens I think you're gonna do it let's let's check in on a few other tech things you should know about Google has added a feature to Google Play music called new release radio which chooses new songs based on your listening history it's their Discover Weekly Spotify has Discover Weekly well now Google Play music has new release radio the feature has been available for Samsung users actually for a while but it's now available for everybody and by everybody whether you pay for Google Play music or not you can use the free tier of Google Play music and still listen to this new release radio station I tried this it was terrible I tried it too and I was so excited because I'm a Google Play music subscriber I have been curating my playlist there and playing things for a long time and I'm like ah whereas Spotify never gets me because I never use it this is gonna work great and it was not it was not very good yet mine was totally off like the first three songs were great and then everything after that it was just like you love rap and hip-hop and I was like no I really don't like nothing against it but down boats all over the place sorry well maybe that's all it takes just takes a little down voting at first to get a good one but but yeah what encourages me the most about this is that it shows the Google is still taking Google Play music seriously and they're not abandoning it abandoning it and yeah which is great because I use it pretty much every day while I'm concentrating on stuff at work so I was like good on you keep on doing this and hopefully if I downvote and upvote things like very constantly and consistently it'll just figure it out fingers crossed we'll see so called dark web marketplace alpha bay went offline without explanation a week ago Thursday the Walth Street Journal reported Canadian police seized its servers in Quebec and that was one of alpha Bay's alleged administrators and that one of alpha Bay's alleged administrators Alexandria Cazes was found dead from an apparent suicide in a Bangkok jail sale Alphabet alpha Bay was bringing in an estimated $600 to $800,000 a day sellers first went to Hanza which then closed its doors to new business starting Thursday another alternative dream market was having issues staying online and validating logins on Thursday there is no clear explanation for how law enforcement were able to bring down alpha Bay so you know a lot of people are looking at first of all this is impressive right yeah this is you know a big operation and a lot of people are very interested in how they were able to identify where those servers were who those administrators were because all of these dark place dark websites use tour which is you know if you can break through tour they want to know my guess is they didn't break through tour they had other ways of finding it out well it is like public knowledge that there are some exit nodes on tour that are like affiliated with agencies or governments or whatever it might be so maybe they used one of those but that's a very very low percentage of the tour exit nodes that could even possibly be used in that stance and I feel like for a dark web server they they would probably know better though those and not use those I would better so I feel like that was probably not the case in this one but I'm extremely curious about this especially since you know the leader what he was just found dead in his jail cell from an apparent suicide like I don't know I have a lot of skepticism when it comes to things like this it's it's hard to say if you are someone who has this much against you internationally and your servers have been caught and you are in jail in Thailand that is that is not a good prospects that could lead someone to contemplate suicide very legitimately on the other hand I know what you're saying which is if you're that person and some people would rather make an example of you extra judicially that they could also make it look like you had committed suicide so I don't think you could say that either way on the technology side of it though silk web or silk road sorry went went away and a lot of people wondered what was going to fill its gap and alpha bay rose to fill its gap eventually the fact that all of these other sites aren't filling the gap yet doesn't mean that we now have a clean dark web does it no absolutely not there's always going to be a predecessor wherever it might end up being if it's on the dark web or somewhere else in the tech wild so this isn't something new it's just a it's like an ongoing story to the dark web of what happens whenever you deal with these kind of sites because you know there's always going to be an outlet for these kind of criminals to do the things that they're doing as long as there's a demand yeah going to be someone who figures out a marketplace for it yep in a response to us senator ron widen acting u.s customs and border protection commissioner kevin mackalene and clarified the customs agents may search devices at the border for any reason no warrant necessary but they may not search data stored solely in the cloud so by that i would assume it means if the data is mirrored on your device they can look at it but if but they can't make you give the give your dropbox password or something travelers may refuse to give passwords for devices but they may lose their device the device can be seized in those cases and if you're not a citizen of the united states you may be refused the right of entry uh which can be refused for any reason as well mackalene and said the agents are searching for things like child pornography threats to national security which is why they have this wide latitude right of course they're they're always going to use the the child pornography threats to national security as the reasons for i mean the threats to national security is real and child pornography exists yes my guess is that they they weren't using this wide latitude 10 15 years ago and child pornography existed then too i don't know it seems like a a loaded thing to throw out there because a lot of people go oh well i don't i don't want to encourage that yeah exactly none of us do yeah we also want to protect our identities and protect our privacy and security so where is that middle ground when it falls into this kind of works for our main discussion story as well exactly and and it is an odd case at the border where you you have different rights for citizens of the united states then you have for non-citizens of the united states and when you're at the border you're no longer in the united states right uh so should citizens have different border search rights than non-citizens is the debate anyway uh we could go down a whole rat hole on that which is less about technology but but this is something to know if you're crossing the u.s border right and you're concerned about you know an unscriptulous agent seeing your data and you have no criminal reason to hide it you can maybe remove data off your device and keep it in the cloud and that's that's a way to feel like you're not going to get spied upon that's probably what i would do if if i was an international citizen coming into the u.s i would probably um upload everything to the cloud in an encrypted fashion like i love spider out because they're all about encryption and then i would wipe my phone data completely if they wanted me to hand it over that would be another thing i would probably bring in a lawyer because i'm very much against giving people my devices leaving them out of my hands uh but i would definitely wipe the device completely and start brand new and if they want a password to a white device that's perfectly fine yeah and a lot of people have recommended that if you are concerned about this and again we're not trying to encourage criminals but you you just may not feel comfortable exposing your data to these searches you might want to wipe your device keep your data in the cloud and then put some data on there have a few innocent emails on there put a few apps on there cat pictures because if it's a clean if it's an entirely clean device that can raise suspicions uh whereas if you if you have a device that looks like it's used it just doesn't have anything interesting on it that that's more likely to not raise an eyebrow yeah and this is very important for people like uh journalists it's very important for the information security friends that i have who carry with them very important secure uh details about companies or wherever they might be working and they can't share that information with just anybody so it's it's a lot of people criminals that get affected by things like this it's a lot of you know legit moral people uh you know there was the case of the nasa contractor who was worried because he is not allowed to expose his data he needed to carry that data to south america for a project uh and he got caught in a situation where the customs people wanted to see his phone and he's like but i'm not supposed to let you see my phone like you you you don't have clearance this is high level confidential information on this phone uh so situations like that you can just avoid the problem uh in the ways we're talking about good times good times with customs uh microsoft launched an ios app called seeing al or is that a i seeing a i a i that describes pictures taken by the phone's camera to help visually impaired users it can also read text scan documents and recognize people it can also estimate distance from things and read items from apps the app is available in canada india hong kong new zealand singapore and the us to start this i used this this morning um it's a really cool idea and as far as like faces uh and stuff and really clear objects like my dog it did well cool some other things like i pointed it at the towel rack in my shower and it's like that's a red shower curtain i'm like no it's not and and to be clear the the that recognition the object recognition from a picture it says as soon as you launch it this is in beta don't rely on this to navigate your world it's not ready for that yet we're still testing it it's it's here to kind of demonstrate what's possible uh and they mark it clearly beta in the app itself but it's still pretty cool when it does work oh it's awesome um i was able i got to see a demo of one of these being used by a visually impaired guy and he was able to point it at things that were sitting on a table and it would describe to him like oh this is a spaceship model craft and it was just so cool that he was able to describe the world around him and not have any issues figuring it out of course it is going to still mess up like you said since it is in beta but um i think this is one of those things that can learn over time and that can develop and uh really really help people that would need it the most all right i see you're currently trying to try the scene i'm going to see what it i'm going to point it at my mixer my keyboard and my ipad let's see what it feels like that might confuse it i wonder what it's seeing oh it didn't talk why i did i have not had the volume up it seems to be indoor keyboard computer it says it didn't get mixer but that's a tough one yeah that's not bad though let me see what it does with this i don't know why i can't hear it it's a live demo oh man screenshot of a computer well it's not screenshot but it is the display so yeah this call is being answered yeah it spoke out loud earlier today i don't know why oh i had that's why here i'm gonna do it one more time seen beta seen beta processing a screenshot of a computer there we go oh that's cool yeah so so that you can just hear what it's what it's seeing yeah all right corpus christy texas man did something we've all done he left his phone in the truck by accident he's just doing his work phones out in the truck you know i'm trying not to leave my phone out there either but sometimes you just forget anyways doing some work renovating a bank and at some point in the uh course of his renovations he crawled into one of the atm vaults and got stuck with no way to call out he began shouting at people as they were withdrawing cash to no avail no everyone thought it was a prank they're like there's nobody in the atm so he finally began writing notes and shoving them out of the receipt slot of the atm one note read please help i'm stuck in here and i don't have my phone please call my boss and then add the phone number after two hours police came thinking themselves it was a hoax until they kicked in the door freeing the man oh man i should so not laugh because i know poor guy got stuck in a vault that would be so scary i used to work at a bank and we had atm vaults probably similar to what he got stuck in and those things once they're locked they're locked for good you have to have a way they're a vault you know though how in the world do they kick in the door geez well that's the part that i that caught my eye too like well wait a minute how the police get it like obviously there's a security there's a security feature there if you could just kick in the door but i maybe they kicked in a different door than the vault door i don't know i'm curious about that part too but it's not so much a technology story except in the fact that involves an atm but i'm sure we'll hear plenty about atms in the next two weeks since def con is coming up so that'll be fun oh he was in the vault room poodle puncher says so so he was stuck he the door locked to the room maybe that door isn't as secure as the actual vaults that secures secure the money that's a good okay good clear anyway it is hat friday if you're watching the video version of dts and and and uh solidarity with our poor corpus christy worker got himself stuck i am wearing a houston astros hat circa 2005 houston astros world series appearance very nice uh folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to dailytech headlines dot com you also get it as a flash briefing on the amazon echo in the u.s and on the anchor app at anchor dot fm all right australian prime minister malcolm turnbull announced a proposed law that would compel companies to help law enforcement agencies intercept and read encrypted messages sent by suspects attorney general george brandis believes it might be possible to decode encrypted messages without building in a back door that sounds good the proposal would be introduced in parliament when it reconvenes in august so allow me if you will shannon to guide you through the rhetoric here okay i'm ready uh so a couple of facts first of all australian federal police say that encrypted communications that are monitored by law enforcement has increased from three percent to fifty five percent in a few years more people use an encryption that's i mean except for the criminals that's a good trend we want people using encryption more often but unfortunately the criminals are using it too and in fact uh the australian surveillance and intelligence organization says that encryption is used in 90 percent of its priority cases which kind of makes sense you know the people that most don't want to get caught or most likely to use encryption so malcolm turnbull says yesterday tell me if you can disagree with any of this shannon we cannot allow the internet to be used as a place for terrorists and child molesters and people who peddle child pornography and drug traffickers to hide in the dark i don't know that sounds horrible i don't want that either do you agree yeah now the laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only laws that apply in australia is the law of australia can i just give him a slow clap for that one i just i appreciate the uh the attempt there let me explain let me explain his next quote that we have from these aren't all said in exactly the same order but they're pretty close i'm not a cryptographer oh really i would not have known i'm not a cryptographer but what we are seeking to do is to secure their assistance they have to face up to their responsibility they can't just you know wash their hands of it and say it's got nothing to do with them 100 agree with malcolm turnbull uh tech companies should not wash their hands of responsibility they they shouldn't say it has nothing to do with them shannon do you think that's what's happening that's a tough call that's a really tough call there well let me let me tell you he's got one more quote from malcolm turnbull there's a culture particularly in the united states crazy americans a very libertarian culture which is quite anti-government in the tech sector we need to say with one voice to silicon valley and its emulators all right you've devised these great platforms now you've got to help us to ensure that the rule of law prevails he's painting a picture that facebook google amazon apple microsoft are not cooperating that the government comes with a reasonable request with a warrant and says we need to get this information and the tech companies are resisting is that what's happening not entirely true um i if i recall correctly from terms of services with several of the online companies that we've seen they will hand over information if they receive a warrant yeah and in in multiple countries not just in the united states and facebook is very clear about this they they even said in response to this story we cooperate with all awful requests that we can right here's what is happening and this is what's getting what they're pushing out this fog over there is end-to-end encryption where whatsapp but one example or signal don't hold the key to decrypt the communication and so we've seen this play out in brazil with whatsapp in particular where the court says you have to decrypt this message and whatsapp says we can't we don't hold the key to it the customer does that's the way it works and the court accuses whatsapp of not cooperating well whatsapp can't cooperate right so we've also seen in the united states a bill constructed to say aha well you're not going to be allowed to create a system where you can't cooperate you're going to have to build in back doors and everybody says well we don't want to build backdoors into encryption that weakens encryption for everybody right exactly attorney general george brandis of australia says hey come on guys well malcom's a little crazy over there what we are he didn't say that he said quote what we are proposing to do if we can't get the voluntary cooperation we're seeking is to extend the existing law that says to individuals citizens and the companies that in certain certain circumstances you have an obligation to insist law enforcement if it is within your power to do so my guess is facebook and everybody are fine with that well we don't propose to require backdoors says attorney general brandis as they are sometimes called though there is a debate of course about what is or is not a backdoor if there are encryption keys then those encryption keys have to be put at the disposal of the authorities now shannon i'm going to say what it sounds like he might be saying here is all we're saying is if you have the encryption keys the law is going to force you to cooperate with law enforcement you know but we're not going to we're not going to put a backdoor in there we're just going to say if you have the encryption keys hand them over but he also goes on to say that there's a debate on what a backdoor actually is yeah that's concerning so why would he why would he include that little bit of a quote there if they're not intending to include some kind of backdoor if they're not trying to legalize backdoors in some way or shape maybe we should return to malcolm turnbull who says a backdoor is typically a flaw in a software program that perhaps the you know the developer of the software program is not aware of and that somebody who knows about it can exploit so we're not talking about that we're talking about lawful access so they want to legalize backdoors well in this torture logic that we're following they're saying oh no a backdoor is a flaw and a flaw is something you didn't mean to be in there and we're not saying people have to put things in that they don't mean to which of course would make sense because you can't legally force people to put things in that they don't mean to so he's saying nothing he's saying nothing at all and it's it's still vague it's still intentionally my guess vague what they're asking for they're saying you have to comply with law enforcement all the tech companies say well we do when we can they're saying we're not going to ask you to put backdoors but we call backdoor something else so what do they mean and until we see the text of the law we can't really know so there's a few ways that they could go about getting warranted decrypted information off of devices either they would have to install something on the phones because most of the applications that they're talking about here encrypt locally before they actually ship out the information to whoever your destined person contact is going to be or they would have to put something into the code of the application other than that currently as far as our public knowledge is there's not a way for these companies to decrypt the information on their end so even if they want to get all these companies on their side like yeah we'll give you the information all they can give them is the public key and you can't do anything with a public key unless you have the private key as well and unless you have those physical devices in hand that have those private keys on them you can't really do anything to decrypt them as far as what we have in our technological capabilities to this day uh that you know public knowledge knows so so what you're saying is it's either got to be a backdoor or a keylogger basically or something like that yeah they're gonna like come in and hand you a warrant to take your phone away because if they have your phone in hand yeah they can totally see what you've written on there as long as they can break into your your phone itself and open them up yeah they can totally see what's going on there unless unless all of that is encrypted and stored right right in which case and that's what i that's what apple has been fighting to preserve yeah here's the problem a lot of these other quotes talk about hey we've always been able to see conversations telephone companies have always cooperated with us on that and tech companies need to also and i really do believe that while there are other motivations and other things going on causing the fog of misunderstanding i also think that malcolm turnbull is not lying when he says he's not a cryptographer and he doesn't understand i think a lot of people don't understand that the way encryption works is meant to be unbreakable right it's not like the telephone company where they're like hey you know that would be a lot of extra work to put in a tap for you we don't want to and they're like well we're going to write a law that makes you all right fine we'll cooperate no it's not like that it's we have designed the software with math and you have to have uh two prime numbers that factor into a large number and then if you don't know what those prime numbers are you can't figure out the factors of that large number because it's computationally intensive and no one can like that's just the way it works you can't put a wanted poster out for the prime factors of a large number and say they're breaking the law in australia for being prime factors of large numbers turn them in yeah and eventually we will begin to see those things happen we have seen them in the past a quantum computing for example has the ability to figure out those prime numbers break it down reverse engineer that encryption and be able to decrypt information but even then the time it takes is so long will the governments want to sit down and wait that long and it's so expensive for this quantum computing technology and as these things increase in ability for decryption encryption also gets stronger so we're seeing a battle it's kind of like watching a tennis match where where encrypted technologies are getting stronger and quantum computing is getting even stronger so so who who wins in this situation i want to protect my security i'm not a criminal i'm not doing anything bad i just don't want random people reading my text messages to my husband about what we're having for dinner like i don't i don't want them to know it they don't need to know but when it comes to of course we have criminals on the other side like how to we how do we protect ourselves while also allowing them to find the criminals as fast as possible because i want them to do that too but not at my expense years ago new york times did a story and it showed that uh members of a terrorist organization were using true crypt at the time uh there there what is no organization behind true crypt it's it's open source and what organization there was has dissolved probably because of pressure to build in back doors and there's plenty of math out there that is that you can't stop from being used to encrypt things and if you put in back doors into whatsapp most of the terrorists will just stop using whatsapp now granted there will be some that aren't very good at being criminals who will use the things with the back door and you'll be able to catch a few of those but is that worth catching a few of those who may make other mistakes if they're making those mistakes worth undermining the security of everyone else because once that back door can be used by the company it can also be used by nefarious people who figure out how to get into it and if you don't believe they can figure out how to get into it you haven't been paying attention to every security breach at every large bank and other otherwise secure company that's been it's true i mean look at the ransomware issues that we've been having for the past two months all of those came from the nsa exploits being leaked and then those leaks being used to develop new products that were used to create ransomware that affected companies all over the world those were affecting companies that didn't even shouldn't have even been attacked in the first place so we have these issues that are happening like what if a hospital gets ransomware what if somebody dies because of that you know you can't create these you can't create something behind closed doors and assume that nobody else is going to be able to get a hold of it and that ransomware is actually a really really interesting example of what we're talking about i think there's an underlying suspicion amongst politicians that these tech companies know how to decrypt this stuff no encryption is that good they've got a secret way somewhere that they just don't want to do well you should use your secret way and show and the fact of the matter is no if that was the case ransomware would not be a problem they would just come out and go oh yeah well we actually do know how to break that encryption turns out that math is math and when when you again i hate to keep harping on this point but when you multiply two prime numbers and get a large number it's really hard to do that in reverse it's just really hard right now till quantum computers come along like shannon said and then there'll be another new way to use the quantum computers to create encryption like that's just the way it works and that's a new reality that we have to deal with which is why i think it's causing so much consternation because i'm not saying this because i want criminals to be protected i'm just saying this because i want us to be protected and i think breaking encryption leaves us more vulnerable to criminals than than leaving encryption strong yeah absolutely i agree with you well that's boring no man it just gets me on a tangent i know i know i know i'm going forever forever and talking about this stuff i agree and i have fun talking to you i'm kidding about agreement being boring i think it's important to get people to understand this so if you're out there and you're still skeptical about this and you're like wait a minute but what about this please email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com we would love to talk about this more not only here but but over on threat wire and yeah five as well right oh yeah i talk about this stuff like weekly almost daily so you could even tweet me at snubs like i'm more than happy to discuss this stuff with anybody who's interested in more so it's a it's a very touchy and passionate subject that i'm involved with yeah gpeg says they do have it because they can kill your cell phone like they did with the note note seven boy did they backdoor that phone no they didn't killing the note seven meant you could stop it from being used it didn't mean you could decrypt it those are two different things stopping a phone from being used is fairly easy you you can send out a signal it says hey you're not we're going to change the firmware so you can't use it that doesn't mean they could read what was on the phone right so those are those are two separate things shnago says my argument against backdoors is simple if you have a single key that can unlock every back account in the country it will be the most valuable number in the world and there's zero percent chance it'll be kept secret oh yeah well put and thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com thanks to everybody who maintains that subreddit and thanks to everybody who participates in our chat at diamondclub.tv during the show one last email before we're out of here a message of the day comes from Devin who says hey tom hope you're doing well i've been following your podcast since the mollywood era of buzz out loud in top five days and i wanted to write in and give you a unique perspective on how your show has impacted me in 2012 i went through some very personal traumatic situations and before i knew it i was heavily debilitated by an anxiety disorder that had flared up like never before including horrific panic attacks i wasn't eating well sleep was virtually non-existent for weeks for around a month i wasn't able to drive alone or work and even leaving my house took courage i also went into a milder but still very real deep depression while all of this was happening one of my few places of daily refuge was your podcast it provided comfort and normalcy when it felt like the world was very unsteady it helped me feel connected to current events without the bombardment of negativity the traditional cable news outlets can sometimes bring i know that i'm not alone in this perspective as many with anxiety or depression actively seek safer ways to stay engaged with the outside world please don't underestimate your podcast ability to help people get through tough times it can be much more than just a tech update to some people after some counseling developing coping techniques and a time on medication i am now better than ever i recently drove through heavy city traffic this situation has also given me the ability to better speak into people's lives who are going through similar issues thanks and love the show debon aw that's gonna make me cry that's so sweet it's so sweet and i asked devan's permission uh he said it was fine use his first name and it was fine to read this uh because i've had anxiety attacks too not as serious as what devan describes but having a touchstone mine mine is my dogs uh really does help you get through that and so the fact that we may have been that for devan uh is is an honor to us and it does speak to why we do this show yeah is is and why shannon does the shows that she does in addition as well as we we want to be a voice that is positive and constructive absolutely that's awesome that's so good to hear and we want to have art that's positive and constructive and entertaining and that's why we asked len peralta on fridays to illustrate the show len what do you got well you know um that was a great email by the way i just have to say i was really that's really great to hear you don't get to hear that very often so i was really uh incredible uh but for me as far as the art goes uh i wanted to do a little with a little mashup here of two of the main stories the main story of course with uh malcom turnbull and then that story about that poor guy that got caught in the atm uh i couldn't let that go without doing a little bit of drawing around that so the uh the drawing is malcom turnbull inside of an atm passing out a note to our own shannon morris saying please help i'm stuck in here and i don't know how decryption works please call my mom so so there you go you know it's uh i wasn't smart enough to put together a really great uh a piece of art for the main story because it's very complicated i love your wizard of oz take at the poor guy stuck at the atm yeah that's great you know plus it's like a 1980s era atm the terminal stuff like that so those atms were extremely hackable back in the day well and you know but but i'm also very easy to get locked in according to malcom turnbull so uh so yeah so this is that we can break that guy out of the atm by golly we can break encryption even though they're totally unrelated i love it that's so great you by the question the big question is do you take the note uh shannon i think i would because in my heart i i like to help people so yeah what would you do would you call please decryption so i would probably take it and like write what's your phone can i call you let me link you to my youtube where i explain decryption he's like sure please let me out of here first i probably would now that's good to hear um yeah so this is my online store right now uh lend for all store dot com it's the front page and uh also if you're one of my patreon backers uh patreon.com for slash len you'll be able to see me draw some art for our own time merit this week uh drew uh his dog's ray and soyer yeah check it out we got a uh possible uh cover of a book in the future i don't know that's awesome very cool let's see uh so yeah check that out lend peralta store dot com folks and uh thanks everybody for being here with us shannon uh of course we've mentioned it a couple times but tech thing at te k t h i n g dot com hack five dot or anything else going on you want to tell people about um those are the biggest things i've been working on we are like down to the wire right now getting ready for def con which happens in about a week and a half right now so we are packing up all of our inventory we're gonna have a booth there so if anybody out there is going to def con make sure to follow our sun social networks and everything so darin and i can keep you informed of meetups that we plan to do or anything like that um otherwise i've been working on my own personal channel so if you haven't subscribed it's youtube.com slash shannon morse just like my name is felled and i've just been traveling and sharing videos about travel and uh lifestyle hacks and some motivational things that i've learned from my 30 years being on this planet but uh yeah it's a lot of fun so it gives me kind of an outlet outside of technology to uh talk about my life go check it out youtube.com slash shannon morse morse and since so many folks liked our net neutrality history episode on wednesday uh thanks for everybody who gave us feedback about that i made a text version freely available up on patreon as my weekly column normally that columns made available to the associate producer level backers but for this one it's available to anyone you can just go to patreon.com slash dtns and get it we'll have a link in the show notes as well if you'd like a text version of the history of net neutrality and you can share that you're free to cut and paste it and spread it around the internet if you want uh patreon.com slash dtns our email addresses feedback at dailytechnewshow.com we're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m eastern 20 30 utc at alpha geek radio.com and diamondclub.tv or at facebook.com slash daily tech news show on our website is dailytechnewshow.com back on monday with miz veronica belmont talk to you then show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com i hope you have enjoyed this program you know it's funny um undermined said but shannon you won't be able to call him until he gets out because his car his phone is in the truck that's right oh poor guy oh poor guy i love that art that's good i know what he just you've done it right you've left i panic when i do that oh yeah i'm like oh my god i've done it i've left it in the car that's horrible the only time i didn't feel like that is when i was in tahiti and i turned off my phone for the whole week for my honeymoon that was like three years ago i should probably then i wouldn't want it stolen but yeah yeah do you know do you know the phone numbers of uh anyone outside i know i lean's phone number yeah i know my phone number because i don't know my i don't know my own i don't know anyone's i know my own phone number i know my dad's i'm sure my dad can figure i don't even know my mom's anymore because she moved and she got a new phone number in the post iphone or in the post phone era yeah i don't know everybody's phone number my kids i don't know the phone numbers you're on your own if you lose your phone yep you are she's done them off with a t-shirt that says that i was wondering about that like if you if you go to jail and they give you the one phone call do you have to have somebody's phone number memorized or can you like what if i just call it one nine hundred i just checked my cell phone i mean some can see it as a waste of a phone call but i don't know who would you call a one nine hundred number i could get top get those and not even like the lewd ones but just like you know the fortune teller's like so what do you think am i gonna get out of this it's like your future is very cloudy all right cloudy it is uh titles that's a terrible segue just takes a little down quotes australia outlaws math uh wanted prime numbers dash really deeds done on the dark web australia wants a back door without a back door he's if there's an extra i in australia that's why it looks so weird to me google releases new release radio alphabegos dark cloud is too high for us customs well these are silver blades what's the title link oh showbot dot tv s h o w b o t dot tv maybe i don't oh maybe not i was gonna say maybe the australia with an extra i was because it's a five eyes country he's trying to put five eyes into spelling australia lol seeing a i leads the blind i kind of like the case of australia versus math i like that too that's a good that's a very it's a very um what was that kids teen or a young adult series when i was a good um in second cycle in your brown uh yeah and the case of australia versus the math i like that one that's my fave i'm gonna upload it any others that catch your eye roger uh not not really all right we decrypt in the land down under we decrypt in the oh wait wait this is actually pretty good crocodile done decryption and there's also back doors this is a prime number now back doors australian for internet back doors australian for internet oh poor australia poor ossees they're not poor they do oh i mean now i just mean they this this is the kind of thing that gives them a bad rap well there's plenty of things that gives them a bad rap oh i know i'm not saying it's the only thing i'm just sympathizing if i were australian right now i would not love this story i'm just saying hey by the way here's a little thing i don't know if you knew this or not you know the show uh the movie um finding nemo takes place in australia right uh the um there's like a little thing the guy the guy they're looking for is named p sherman there there was members p p sherman that's where he's being held where nemo is being held the reason why it's p sherman is because there were a lot of filipinos working on that production oh and that's how they said fisherman no kidding oh yeah because the f becomes a p a lot of times p sherman yeah like cafe instead of cafe wait so wait like they're working on the movie i think they were working around and wherever they were they were at there were a lot of filipinos working within that production and they would pronounce fisherman is p sherman p sherman p sherman which is why yeah it's a little piece of trivia that i have filipino trivia panoy wisdom little panoy wisdom that's the name of my uh cover band actually panoy wisdom they're opening up for a terrible cherry this and uh and and by cover band he means he just does whatever uh hot karaoke hits are popular in the philippines this week yeah the tagalog songs yeah tag along tag along tag along songs they get away with saying it that way right and next up san capo punta free balls are you hello hello for everyone hello you know what it depends on who makes it because that stuff can be amazing or just gross yeah right right it's like these beans haven't even been cooked yet and you stick them in here really by your love and now debbie gibson didn't go on but not forgotten you know i didn't realize this but i was reading somewhere like they're like philippine philippino entertainers are huge oh yeah ships like like they make up a huge percentage of the entertainers are bored cruise ships because i don't know maybe they work super cheap and they work long hours and they're good at it sounds about right well and and eileen's uh eileen's dad is a nuclear engineer he does he does autocad designing of like kumay but he also kills a karaoke but he also kills a car but he got a job that makes him go to like las vegas and rino and we're like did you really get a job or are you just wanting to go to all the casinos no really work you know and it's funny because it's it's it's weird you do that land because they have like you know really obvious accents where they just talk to you but as soon as they start singing it does it either disappears or something happens oh yeah like what happened what happened i remember thinking like all these bands from england in the 80s and like why don't they sound english do do accents go away when people sing and i was like no they're just trying to sound american because that way they have a better chance of getting on the radio well you know there's a debate on that whether or not that's true because um it some say it's it's subconscious because it might be yeah that people tend to but other people have said that certain words are actually easier to enunciate when you're singing that might be true but i just know that these days there's a lot more people that sound english when they sing than there used to be because it's not as big of a deal well it depends like i listen to a lot of new wave when i was a a kid so depeche mode or azure they all sounded british to me sure well yeah i think you're i think you're proving my point more niche bands that didn't worry about radio play were more likely to sound british right depeche mode got huge rotation and they are more popular in the u.s than they were in britain but that's not my point my point was depeche mode didn't start out with like how do we get on the radio right they didn't really hit it until the late eighties uh yeah with a violator enjoy the silence was their first real breakout hit i would say unless you want to count i don't consider them a band that was trying to be radio friendly they just they got popular well they are popular on college radio we played them a lot yeah yeah totally they were popular all over i i normally go with the popularity of how quickly a song ends up as being a soundtrack in the tv show right like an example of a pop a pop star uh who has a thick english accent is lily alan i mean she sounds british well and i i don't even know exactly which english accent is appropriate to identify her but yeah it still freaks me out when i hear actors who i think are american have the have the british accent like tom holland right yeah yeah like what that dude is british what or um or um rick from walking dead uh british ginger lincoln yeah he's british isn't he yes it's like so he brings bacon in our chat room says everyone sounds english when they sing therefore i don't have an accent i what i notice is the reverse for example um westley from uh buffy the vampire slayer like he's in the show he's british but he's like he's he's american but he's spent all he went to oxford and i guess he just picked up the accent as oh as he went along but also like spike you know he's from modesto ha that's only reason i know him not personally but uh um let me say did you did you hang out when you guys it's it's weird because you know some do really well but other ones like who's the guy from house the guy who plays oh yeah um you lord yeah he is he he doesn't recognize it but it's kind of weird when you listen to it because it's almost too neutral all right well yeah and the guy who played journey man on that short-lived show and then he was on gray's anatomy for a lot longer when he was on journey man i was like where is his accent from because they were supposedly in san francisco but he sounded kind of boston but kind of minnesota and it's because he was english and then by the time he got to gray's anatomy i think he had he had smoothed it out just picked the region just different air well i think it's like when we do english accents in america a lot of times people from england will go like okay there were six different accents in what you just heard there was cockney and northumberland and scottish hello my idea yeah now it just sounds like you're not wanting to swallow something you're eating yeah by the way accents uh if you guys watch the new gong show at all yet oh right i saw you tweeting about that yes wait so this is this is a new new gong show because there was a reboot in the 90s no this is a new new gong show on abc uh rebooted by will Arnett he's the executive producer uh so the uh the host of the show is a guy by the name of tommy maitland but he is not really he's british right but it's not really a real guy it's sort of like a tony clifton sort of thing i don't want to give it away because i because it's out there if you check on the web who he is but um he's wearing makeup he looks really really like a different guy but he looks a little bit off but he but he's doing this incredible british accent like spot on british accent and you would not even know who that actor was if you if someone didn't tell you it's really really well done and that actor is len paroled it is that's my side job you got me what the heck if you could do a really good like just standard bbc english accent and then just drop in some like to go like lingo slang i guess he got through i think it would be hilarious well what i'll say about this gong show the actor who's playing it's i i was like there's something not right with this guy like when you look at him it's like there's he looks fake like his three arms or something no his face look i guess he's definitely wearing makeup he's in disguise so i'm like well what the what's going on with this guy so um when i finally find out who it was who the actor was i was like oh so it's kind of neat to watch the show looking for this actor within this character uh it's really cool because he's got he masks it with this incredible british accent and um it's it's pretty fantastic it actually makes the show a lot well the show is pretty funny anyway but it's it's really fun to watch so if you get a chance go to hulu or whatever watch the gong show watch the new one find abc and see if you can figure out without going to the web see you can figure out who that actor is well i have to go to the web because i don't know the show you're talking about so it uh it's called it's called the gong show it's on it's on abc the gong show on abc some nights at some time yeah something happens check local listings for show time well you know it's on demand i mean i was like oh good it's on like nobody knows what stuff's on yeah i know unless it's game of thrones or something huge that everybody cares about like what is this game of thrones you're talking about oh it's a it's a tabletop game i haven't heard about it is it yeah yeah it's really good i haven't played it exactly the same time on sunday nights are you looking it up now well i'm trying to find a clip from the gong show all i get are interviews oh are we boring you shannon no i'm trying to figure out some stuff with facebook oh boy that's a that's a whole case of worms it's work related i promise i don't have to explain it kind of resembles that guy what's his name um not rick maranis who's that guy from uh you know the the great white north on sc tv dave thomas no so no rick rick maranis is the other guy yeah rick maranis and and and dave thomas oh no no no i'm not thinking that guy i'm thinking of the um on snl he did uh uh gromp gromley you know the guy with uh ed grimley ed grimley uh martin short martin short that's it remember when he did that character that that talk show character glick in jim yeah right no yeah but this is he looks a lot less this this tommy matlin looks a lot like benny hill sort of oh that's a bad that's a bad visage like i started i i was mentioning an episode of benny hill to my wife and had to go to youtube to show her that i realized how bad it was how bad that show was incredibly sexist and blatantly racist that show it's not a good show it's just the funny parts are when he's being he's chasing people around to that music that's the only funny part well that's the iconic part that's the stuff that everyone remembers do do do do do i remember there was an episode where he uh benny hill portrayed uh bae barrakas from the a team they did like a little bit a teams get really bad really yes like all the way with the you know by the way for hat for hat friday i was this close to putting on the spider man thing but i didn't think i could draw with him that would have been great it wouldn't really difficult yeah but people would have only seen the upper half it needs the full i know i would have had to get in the suit right oh man eric eric on twitter just now wrote high primes and misdemeanors oh so what are we going with then oh no it's already posted we went we went with the case of australia versus versus math not the math although maybe that should versus the math that kind of funny too that kind of funny too i get funny it is so funny hey here's another trivia question oh what did you know that mario and louis g had a dad what well i would have seemed like the video game or the cartoon uh well he's in he's in the canon of mario uh that's that's that's a pretty big canon to fit yeah but he's only he's he's only he's he's only seen i mean if you look up mario's parents it's it actually creates more questions than answers about how mario was born but his name is papa mario what which is kind of weird do you have a long form birth certificate you have to yeah so wait i what i don't understand is is the world they inhabit the world of the peach kingdom or did they magically get there through the plumbing right i think they are because well what's the are they from the movie well i'm going canon no i'm going i think it is oh i'm going with the uh the kids show with captain louis albano right right as uh mario and they were like ostensibly in new york and they would jump in and they would be in the peach kingdom yeah yeah no i think they were real world um real world plumbers but they had a dad named papa which why papa mario why wouldn't his name be like giuseppe well it's like mario senior one like papa murphy's or papa john's papa john papa john's take this john's in the house take this plunger and bake it and then the plunge judge our toilet i guess he's a plumber he's a plumber they deal with listen those sewer pipes aren't clean i'm amazed their outfit stay as clean as i was thinking i was my word my brain went was like they're horrible stereotypes what kind of part of the stereotype involves italians carrying plungers do you remember just regular mario brothers yes that yeah i used to play a knockoff called toy bizarre on the commodore 64 i loved it oh yeah uh that's when you could do stuff like that and people wouldn't go eat crazy all right ladies and gents and others thank you for joining us we will be back to not tomorrow monday get ready get ready for the weekend man get ready for the weekend


What's up Elementor fans? All right, we got something new. Elementor has just released a new feature. It's the multi-steps form and this one came as a request from you. You guys voted on it through a poll that was done on the Facebook group. So for the last night, I spent several hours and today as well trying to learn the ins and outs of this, like what are the possibilities that this new multi-step feature adds? What can be done and how can this improve our websites that we built?  What's up everyone? I'm Jeffrey from Lightbox and this is Building Businesses with Elementor. This is where we focus on growing your web design business and elevating your Elementor skills. All right, so let's dive in. In this video, we're going to just give a quick look into how the multi-step feature works. First, really quick, let me break down and explain. A multi-step form is a different type of form where you would fill out one piece of information and click the next button and you would take your users on a journey through the contact form. It could also have applied conditional logic to it, which means you could have one question and then the next answer would depend on that question. Really quick, let me give you an example and show you. So here is your traditional contact form right here and you can see there's a lot of questions. There's a lot of things to fill out and what happens most of the time when you have a contact form like this with a lot of different inputs, your users will start to fill it out but they won't finish it. You're going to lose a lot of leads by having too long of a form but then you see a form like this. It's less intimidating. It gives a different user interaction because it gives you micro interactions which is good for UI and I'll show you how it works real quick. So this one right here says to put our name, let's add our name, select on next. What's the business name? Lightbox. How many employees do we have? Six to ten. What services are we looking for? Let's say UI, UX. What's our current URL? Now I'm just doing this real fast. Don't worry, we're going to go through this step by step on how to build a form like this. It's just an example to show how it works. All right, and then let's leave a message, let's just say message here. Next and then let's leave an email. Let me leave a fake one and then you would click send. So that is the experience of filling out a contact form like this right here but in a step by step type of style. Let's go ahead and build one of these and I'm sure after this video once we've built one of these and once I've shown exactly how everything works, then you'll be able to be good to go. You'll be able to add this to your website. So the first step you're going to want to take when building a form like this, a multi-step form is take time to plan it out. Don't just build it on the whim. You got to really think about it because a multi-step form is meant to increase conversions but if used wrong, you can actually harm the conversions and make things worse for your website. Now when I started building the first form practicing around with it, I was trying to just make input fills and step by step as I was building it and I saw wait this isn't working, it's not making sense. So instead I took a step back and I thought about what I want to say and what the end goal was. So first think about what is the goal to this on our form that we're creating right here. The end goal is collecting the email and getting enough information where we could schedule a meeting for a potential client. So what I did is and what I suggest to do let's take a look right here. Here we go and so right here I wrote out all the steps. So before building the form, take time to write it out. That way you have everything there you could add a little bit of strategy to it like really think about how you want this to work and that way when you're building the form it makes it so much easy because you already have the layout done. So on our form right here what we're going to do is step number one is we're going to ask for their name but we're going to give a cool little personal message. I'm going to say let's start by getting to know each other. What's your name? And then I put in right here text field because that's what we're going to use for this. The second one is what's your business name? Again the text field and this is important for us to know when we're scheduling an appointment with a new client. This way we could do research before the interview. I could take a look on LinkedIn, Facebook and get to know the company before our first consultation meeting. Third one how many employees are in your organization and for here we're going to use a drop down selection to make it a little bit easier that way they don't have to manually put in and think about how many. We're going to give them a selection like one to five, six to ten, eleven to twenty something like that just to make it easy. And again this is an important question to ask your clients to find out before a consultation call and before giving a price on your project because the size of the company does make a big difference on the quotes, the prices and the scope of work. Next one is going to be what services are you looking for and again we're going to use a drop down selection. And this one will add like you know web design, web development, e-commerce, branding, UI, UX. You guys add whatever your main services are. They might be a website maintenance, SEO, whatever it is that you use. Go ahead and add that here. The next one is what is your current website URL and we'll leave it. This one will leave optional and we do that because maybe some people might not have a URL or a website yet. And again text field and then right here can you tell us more about your project and we'll make this optional too. They don't have to fill it in but we'll use the text area and that's basically like the big box where usually the message is at. And then the last one and here is our goal actually let me fix that should be seven. This is our goal right here. We want to get their email once they complete this give us our email we got the lead and now we can schedule them for a meeting. So I just left a cool little message here we're ready to schedule a free consultation leave your email and we'll send an invitation link and then we'll use the email fill and that's it. So we're set up to go right here. Let me move this back over to the side and we will keep this side by side because I want to use it as a reference why I am building the page. Let's go to the section you're going to add things that we're going to add something right here and everything is going to be done in the form you know at first when I saw multi step form coming out I was looking for a new widget but it's not a new widget it's inside the original form widget it just got more options added to it now so let's go ahead and just type it up and everything kind of looks the same you will see right here you're going to see step settings we'll get into those in a second but I want to start with the input fields and how this works right here so first go ahead and click on the form go to form fields and what's a race all these right here would start fresh start clean and we got our first text area and that's the type right here text type you'll see here we added already our types here so we have already identified what types are going to use the first one is going to be named but we're going to add our own message to this so copy that let's go to the label paste that into the label take out the placeholder I don't want the placeholder on this one and it is going to be required next step is add a new item right here and this is where the multi step comes in on type right here go to the drop down and you'll see the new option right here for step so select step and you'll see it looks kind of funny right here you got this one popped up at the top I think this is just because the whole form has changed but on here this is for your multi step right there you'll see label you can go ahead and give it you can go ahead and label it so we're just going to call this one step one you can call whatever you want but you see right there it's already popping up in fact this is actually step two we need to go back up here to add step one there we go and you see you can put in the text you could add your own message for each step of the way I mean it's brilliant what Elementor has done they have thought things out so much when it comes to their forms I think the form widget for Elementor is by far it's definitely my favorite for any type of contact form building in fact for the last two years I don't think I've used another contact form plugin because it's just so awesome okay anyways let's go back okay so next one next item we got another text filled and you see how this comes into play it makes it so much easier once we have this set up because now we just copy and paste it put that in there and then again next one we're going to add a step so you see what we're doing right here is we add a field add a step add a field add a step and that's what we're going to do each time now if you want to have two questions inside the step you could go ahead and add two questions you can see right here we got two questions next okay let me fill something out and you see then we could add two questions right there all right and we're going to call this one step three I got fat fingers so you're going to see me making a lot of typing mistakes it is what it is all right again I forgot to make this required let's make sure this is required right here let's go ahead and add the next item this one's going to be a drop down selection how many employees in your organization so let's copy and paste that add the label here right here instead of text though we're going to make this select and all the select right here let's go ahead and put one through five six through 10 11 through 20 20 through 50 and then let's do 50 plus and this right here will give us a good idea the size of the company that is trying to reach out to you all right let's make this required so the next one right here let's add another step let's go ahead and label this it's going to be step four next one add a field that's going to be what services are you looking for and this is also going to be a drop down selection so let's make it select and we'll say right here web design UI UX branding web development and we'll say e-commerce I spelled this wrong let me correct that all right now we got our select right there let's add another step and we'll call this one step five let's add another field was your current website URL optional this is easy it is just a text field and it's not uh well let's go back here I forgot to hit require this one is not required since it is optional let's add a step add another field the next one is going to be this one's going to be a text area so that one's going to be this is going to be where they could just give us more information on their project so select right here text area go ahead and give it that label and on the rules I like to set it to eight I like to give good spacing inside my message boxes makes it easier for the user to use all right and then we just got one more step and we didn't give this one a label yet so step six and then this one's going to be step seven and the last one's going to be for the email let's copy and paste this in there and then this one is required all right let's go ahead and make it large like our input sizes to be large make the buttons large as well all right so we got everything set up I mean we need to style it up right here but let's go ahead and take a look at it so we got our multi-step let's see how it works and we could see it is working right now okay so let's go back and let's take a look at a few more things now we got more options that we could set to style this up and to get it just right for you so the next set of options that they came up with right here you're going to see there are the step settings from here now you got all these different options the first one is none and what the step settings do is they basically give you the options of what we could put up here above your form so you can leave it none keep it clean and simple you can add text right here which just shows the labels that you put in there you could add icons right here now if you want to change these icons what you could do is go back to your form fields go back into your step your step feel and right here you could you could select the icon you want to use first you click on there and you could go and use your regular font awesome icons or you could upload your own svg I only got one svg let me upload this just to show you and you see you could go ahead and upload it there or you can leave no icon the next option is going to be numbers and this one's pretty easy I like this one it's clean it's simple it's not overwhelming and it's easy to follow along and then this one this one's pretty cool right here I'm pretty sure I think this one's going to be used the most and that's going to be the progress bar and it shows you step by step like the progress I like this one I think if I were to use the one I'd probably start off with the progress bar and then you could combine numbers and text and again the step one step two step three and so on what you see you could customize each one of these and put your own label on them or the icon and text so what I want to do here let me just keep it simple stick with the numbers I think numbers and progress bar are probably the cleanest ones or even just none might also be clean too and give a good experience this is the basics right here of building the multi-step form but the potential for it goes way further real quick I'm going to show you something we're not going to go deep into this because this is going to take its own video probably a couple videos on this but that's going to be on the conditional logic that you could apply so real quick let me show you what else it could do and this is for those that are more advanced and that dig stuff like conditional logic let's go back to one of the form fields and let's take a look at one of the step fields here you're going to see we know we have the content we already saw it we could do a lot inside here we could give it a label we could change the text on the previous and next button we could change the icon or upload our own icon but here's what else we could do right here on the condition so right here you have different options you got one always visible this is set by default this basically has no conditional logic to it next one you can do show if and here's where you could add your conditions and hide and then you could also add multiple conditions we're not going to get into this because this definitely is more of the advanced side and it should be it should have its own video or else it's just going to get super complicated in this video we get too long nobody wants to sit and watch a super long video just to see how to make a contact form work but if you are interested in this we will be dropping that video soon as well that's going to be the next one right after this and basically what conditional logic does on a form like this you could ask a question like how many employees does your organization have and depending on the number what say they select one to five then they get asked a certain question but if they select like 11 to 20 they get asked a different question because maybe that question might be suited for a small business so they say one to five that means they have a small business so the next question is now we want to take them down a route take them down the whole flow for a small business but if they say they have more employees we want to take them now down for a different lane for a larger organization and well conditional logic if basically if you use type form type form is a great example of conditional logic and I'm excited for this because we actually got a project coming up where we're going to have to build a conditional form so this is perfect timing for the new project we have coming up let's go ahead and end this by styling up our form and running a test just to make sure everything is working and showing you how this form should work after somebody submits it so style it up let's go over to our style and we'll go from top to bottom you'll also see down here on the bottom there is a new option added but still let's start at the top so the first one right here you'll see on the column nothing really happens right there but if you were to go to the next right there where you have two buttons this is where you'll see the column working so make sure to set the column right there to space out those two buttons I'd like to leave it at 20 I just like 20 pixels it's nice and even uh same thing with the road gap let me leave it at 20 so we keep everything uh consistent and clean label let's go ahead and get the label some spacing as well I'll throw this at 22 text color we could just leave everything as it is let's change the size of our label because that's very small I'll make it at 20 that's good all right and HTML fill well we don't have any of that so let's go down to fill now and fill that's going to be styling the text inside here so let me add our business name lightbox there we go uh you could change your color uh the font size I'm also going to make this 20 keep everything nice and consistent but this is all up to you however you want to style and design yours in fact I want to make the fill just a little bit smaller I like the big question because one is easy to read in fact let me make this a little bit bigger I like the big text on this I think big text is nice and easy to read all right and then the fill 18 pixels that looks good all right we'll leave the colors as it is uh the border color let me change that I want to make a very light border color and border radius I'm going to use two pixels to give it a cleaner look let's go down to our buttons and style up those uh again let's go ahead and make these at 20 make it easy to read for this one uh and here's pretty interesting right here you'll see it has the next and submit button the submit is the sand the very last button so we could style up each one of these individually for the next and submit let's keep these at red okay our red color but then we could also change the previous button so let's make the previous button maybe a darker color we want the I guess the brighter one to help push people forward that's our goal right there let's make the border radius at two I like to keep our border radiuses even throughout the site like everywhere so our content our input field is two pixels we'll make our buttons too as well and then other areas where we add buttons I like to keep them all the same but here are the steps this is the one we want to style up right here so typography uh you see we can make our text bigger and smaller and this would be to let me go back here and add text and numbers so let's go back to our step settings right here and add numbers and text right there go back here and what you're going to see right here your options are going to change right here based on what you put on your settings so if you put a progress bar here we're going to have different options for you inside the style section for the steps first let's look at the numbers and the text right here so we could also make the spacing here oh let's add a little bit more spacing that looks that's all right we got the padding so that's the padding around the numbers then we could also change the colors of the text here to the dividers which are these lines right here you can make them thicker or lighter or even remove them and we could make shorten up their gap a little bit all right let me move that to 20 20 is a magic number I like sticking with consistent numbers but if you see now let's go ahead and change this around I want to put a progress bar so I think a lot of people will be using the progress bar there we go now let's go back here to steps and you'll see we got different options right here you got the percentage so we could change the color of the percentage and the size let's make this a little bit bigger not too big I like the thin look right there keep it at 14 let me give it a 700 letter spacing and let's change the color on this all right and now right here as well we could change the color to the number section keep it on the red and then the background color in the background is going to be this dark color here we could actually make this lighter so you could play around with this and find the colors that works best for you you could also change the height and the border radius which this border radius looks kind of cool at 100 we're not going to put this at two like the others because well you know what let's put that too let's keep it consistent throughout the board all right cool let's go ahead and save that take a look at it here we go start by what's your name Jeffrey all right what's our business name it's Lightbox how many employees are in our organization we have six to ten all right what services are we looking for let's say uiux and our current website pslightbox.co and tell something about your project let's say looking to improve conversions click on next and now we got to leave our email I'm going to use a fake one right here email at email.com god imagine if somebody really had this as their email email email.com they must get so many emails all right I know they get a whole lot from me and go ahead click send and there we go our contact form has been sent so real quick let's go ahead and take a look and show you what it will look like when the successful step-by-step form is finished by a customer and here is what I got inside my mailbox and you can see that it's very detailed it shows exactly what step the answers came in it says what the question was as well as their answer and this now gives me all the information that I need to follow up on the sleeve it's a great way to improve your conversions one of the things that I see that this feature right here can really help out with is more conversions the thing is here here's a challenge with contact forms and I'm not sure if you're aware of this yet if you add too many fields and real quick I'm going to show you an example of too many fields now this is an older client we rebuilt their website this was I'm putting the client on blast I probably shouldn't be doing this but this is an example of a contact form that is just like overwhelming right here and you see they want to collect all this information right here they want all the information of you your location they want all this feedback right here is basically a questionnaire and on top of it then the capture I mean a capture enough is annoying but all this right here and once I saw this on the website I saw instantly the client was probably losing 90% of themselves and it was hard for them to see that the thing is I ran lots of tests and I've done lots of studies as we do a lot of UX and UI and conversion optimizations with what we do and part of web design is solving problems and improving website uh website usability uh being able to help the client achieve their goal and here's a crazy thing like if your contact forms say it's very simple it could just be name uh name email message you're still going to get people starting to fill it out but not hit that send button sometimes it's 50% even on a simple form I see simple forms with very few fills still only perform at 50% but now if you want to get more information and a lot of the times we want to get more we want to know like how to engage with a client when they reach out to us uh how do we you know uh keep track of what people are looking for how did they find us so all these questions that we want to get from them we can't just put them in our contact forms without risking losing cells and conversions so a step by step form helps out with that because it makes the the experience a whole lot easier because uh just like you saw in the beginning of the video when you see a contact form that big with all the stuff to fill in that's work nobody wants to go to your website and start to do a lot of work but when you have just something small and it's step by step and it's an easy experience it makes it enjoyable and you're able to collect all that data so I really really love this tool I'm excited that elements were did this I mean elements were like look I'm a fan you already know that I got a channel based on it but uh this one right here is a very big one it is an important one you guys voted for it and I really hope that it could be used by you in a way that could really help your business if you have any questions drop them in the comments we're going to be digging deeper into it this is just a surface view of it to help you get started but we will be making a couple more videos on it we're going to dig down into uh the conditional logic on it and I'm sure there's more things I'm going to discover as well and as I do I'm going to share with you and if you have questions about it reach out to me uh go ahead and put it in the comments here and don't forget to subscribe we're a new channel we can use the support I got big plans putting out a lot of videos a lot of things to help out uh whether it comes to elements or tutorials or learning how to design better by using design fundamentals and principles and just building better websites as well as helping out with web designer businesses that's it for this uh video thank you


I am here with head coach, Harrison, our old partner of the Stevenson men's volleyball team. After Stevenson loses today against MIT, final line scorers of MIT 25-19 in the first set, MIT 25-21 in the second set, and MIT 25-20 in the third set. First off, Jason, overall thoughts on the match? Yeah, it was a tough one today. Just felt like we couldn't get going. There were moments where we were playing really well and just kind of put it together for a full set and a full match, unfortunately. Yeah, and in the first set, momentum pretty much shifted over to MIT. What changes were made in between the first and second set? Yeah, so we got a couple of different guys going in there. And I think Doug Hines did a good job coming in the second set, kind of calming to see a little bit as a setter. Tanner Locke, a freshman guy, he got in there as well, did a good job, and even into the third set, Brian Pharrell got a chance to go in there. He did a good job passing. So I was happy to see a couple of guys get a chance to go in and make a difference. And we worked to keep putting sets together. You know, this is a talented volleyball team. It's just all of us getting going in the same direction at the same time. Yeah, lastly, the message in the third set, what was that message like? Yeah, it was just going out and going after it, right? Backs against the wall and down 2-0. It's all about just being gutsy and going for it. You know, we talked to them a lot about being aggressive and playing our type of volleyball to the end, you know. And they did a good job of pushing there. They made the real effort to get after it. So, lots of good stuff and lots of stuff to learn from today. Yes, exactly.  What are you expecting out of that? Yeah, I'm expecting them to be pretty fired up. We have a really competitive bunch. You know, I know they're kind of feeling the weight of being 0-3 to start the year and really itching to get that win. So, they come in and work hard every day and I'm expecting the same thing coming up here on Monday. Yes, exactly. Thank you so much, Coach. Yeah, I appreciate it. Appreciate the time. And that's all for now. Once again, Stevenson, this morning against MIT, they're going to play Rowanoke College next Friday night at 7 p.m. Thank you so much.