And we are live for everyone. Welcome to the Google summer of code weekly meeting. Today, we have a Action items and sit up on the next steps. I said that the jsoc program Yeah, I've had to mute you because there was some background noise Yep So we have several people on the call Jsoc mentors or cut means and potential students today. We'll have a Q&A and again The main agenda would be to just agree how we With the next phase. Okay. So this is my screen Yes So long story short yesterday They were announced once by Google and all JSOC organizations have been announced and Jenkins is one of the organizations in the Google summer of code this year Again, this is the biggest JSOC ever there are something like 206 organizations participating this year if I recall correctly and you may see that there is quite a number of organizations including various Yeah, most open source projects, but also organizations some other Umbrella organizations. So yeah, JSOC is going to be pretty big this year and yeah, it's great that we participate So congrats again to all mentors students or convenience and whoever participated in the clip work. I Believe that we are ready to do so Yep, if you take a look at the code, you may see that all the documentation is in place We have a pretty long list of project ideas which are ready for processing So we are ready to the next phase and the next phase for us is to actually just work together in order to Get applications in place. So yeah, you may see that there is JSOC timeline application period starts in March so we have about one month before students can apply and we should use these months in order to promote our projects to communicate with students to review whatever questions may be help them with their design work Yeah, and whatever communications are needed. So it's the most important part of phase And after that they will be still some time when students apply So March 25th is when the gates open But usually students have the proposal that are three before this date because they use the Community to get more reviews So there we start More time we have And after lines is when the period actually ends. It's a deadline for applications So all students will submit applications by this time Um, and then the organization will be processing these applications the application process Yeah, we will describe this facility and the mentor meetings, but yeah What will happen next on May 6th? They will be announcement for accepted projects So, yeah, there will be projects mentor teams announced And then community bonding and coding will start. So yeah, this is the plan And yeah, now we are here. So yeah It may seem that there is a lot of time So yeah, you may say that it's some one months before the application starts But effectively it's only one month Because there is a lot of work to do there Even if you have all project ideas published, there may be more project ideas incoming Then maybe most students questions And I hope this year we will have a lot of traffic Coming to the organization because we have a lot more project ideas than we had in the previous year so This is the current plan Regarding the communications and regarding the organization is something I propose to discuss today So we can discuss how we organize office hours for the next month how we organize Meeting chat discussions whether we need any additional activities. And yeah, it's a topic for discussion today So if you have any questions, we can start from there Or I can bring some raise. What is our plan of the brief discussion with Martin and Jeff yesterday? Am I still online? Yeah, okay But yes, I'm just letting people who have questions ask of them Okay So it seems there is no questions So how the communications will happen? I this week we will have a blog post on LinkedIn sayo I mean in order to announce our participation in the program and yeah, we will also invite Momenters and most students to join the discussions So we might have more applications coming in We will have the same in the menu please In the menu please And also at sick meetings and governance meetings So yeah, if you guys go to any special interest group meetings and Jenkins feel free to Reference Jason there and say everyone that we accepted so I just want visibility wouldn't hurt And yeah, actually this is communications which are going to happen on project level But what we also need is communication happening on project level. So we Advise all mentors and mentor teams to reach out to their potential audience. So if you have a personal blog or if you have Some communications Is potentially interested people in charts or whatever Please feel free to also talk about google summary of code and about your projects specifically Because yeah, it's not enough to just a bit projects published today. It's also required to promote these projects if you want to get more communications And yeah, you start the more feedback you get and the more interested students you get Okay, so yeah effectively this this is what I wanted to communicate about this topic I think we can just go straight to questions So yeah, you have a number of first students and mentors on the call Although we have some documentation on the website If you have any questions, maybe we should start from discussing them before going to other agenda items again Any questions? So do we have any first year gsoc participants on the call? I guess May be me sark but here A lot of people have participated in the gsoc a few times before if I recall correctly I I did gsoc last time as a student Yeah, so this time planning to be Hopefully you're mentored and I've actually passed out of call it so as it is I'm not even eligible to be a student anymore actually so last year I did gsoc under incf It's an organization on in the domain of digital biology Thanks Thank you Rock your microphone doesn't seem to be working. We've heard some background noise, but Yeah, do you hear you talking? It happens so yes Speaking of noise in the channels, etc video meetings are just a part of communications we have The advice is to keep the most of communications in guitar or in mailing please because in such case we have a track of these communications which we can reference So we will be having this meeting. It's not as a main communication channel But there's an additional communication channel for all kinds of additional ad hoc questions and discussions so yep If you have any specific questions it's better to start from asking in guitar All the projects have their own guitar channels or maybe jsoc seek the guitar if there is no channel assigned And yeah, then my name, please and we've needed Sync up meetings like these ones Yeah, so I would Yeah, so hi everyone. I am Nisa Aksha and I am interested in advanced build discard plugin for G7 2019 as a student and I am currently, you know working on this project. So I would just risk So I would just you know, means request martins are like if possible that to make a separate guitar You know a separate guitar chat room, you know means for this project so that Means we can have all the chats, you know, it's related to this project with the knowledge at a This one specific place only So you want to have a separate chat for that? Why don't we use external robot space manager chat for this project? Yeah, sure. Yeah, so Yeah, so actually, uh, we can use that as Some part of that project is also included in these As discarding the builds from the action of a space plugin So I think uh, yes, we can use that Chat room for this project. Yeah, I'm just thinking Another a number of uh projects related to Build discarders But right now we don't have final decision how the Implementation would look like whether it would be a separate plugin or a number of other plugins So for me, it's a bit preliminary to create a new guitar chat For plug in which may not exist But yeah, so what would be your opinion martin? There's lots of discussions surrounding Build discard and they're not specific to the external workspace manager so We created a lot of traffic in the jsoc Sig get a room Is it possible to create a generic get third chat which is not attached to a particular plugin just a Under the jenkins organization and then Link the plugin later It should be possible nowadays. So if you let me know what is The Room name you would like to have I can create chat for you Okay, I think just build build discard Would be generic enough but you probably So we can actually create the chat for built discarders plugin, but yeah Yeah, I accept the plugin name has not been finalized Um, yeah, what about just jsoc advanced build discarder or something like that? So, okay, put jsoc as a prefix and then uh, yeah This chat can be renamed later. The renaming guitar charts is more difficult than creating new ones So if it helps I will just create such a channel Yeah, I think it does Uh, yeah, thank you Okay, just second table screen share Okay So let's go to our guitar Yeah, I have admin permission so I can so something like jsoc Do you discover Yes Okay Okay, let's uh Okay, so yeah, I've just created the chat for you Uh, but yeah, Martina, would you be able to update project ideas so that the link is corrected? Yes, okay So yeah, I think it Could be a good temporary solution and then once The projects are announced and the monster that she's created probably the chat can be renamed Okay, but does this anything else about this project? And yes, so like just I only like I have one request that uh, like I know Just working on some code base and some ideas and some implementation. So like, uh, uh, if possible There could be one special meeting for this where, uh, you know, I can just, uh, you know Present my this implementation part and the idea part so that uh I can get a good feedback from the mentors and what can be more added or You know something like that And I also know a few of the doubts in the Implementation part that how can we do this and I have this idea and then what can be done with this and all that So if possible, you know Martin sir and if you are the Mentors for this Project can help me out Yeah, I think you should Discuss it with mentors. So you just start the discussion and If you have any ideas if you have a project application draft Then you just Send it for review How we were doing in previous years. We had project applications in google documents as well so that It was possible to share these documents and to review them together Okay. Yeah, sure. So like I'll just Uh, you know put my doubts and the questions of the implementation and some idea part in this chat room So that it could help me in, you know, citing my proposals So, um, so Nisar, if it helps you what I can do is Maybe I'll send you my last year's proposal Which was selected. So You might be able to get like a rough idea of how to structure The proposal maybe because it was a proposal for a completely different organization In a different domain, but you might get an idea of how to structure the proposal. Is that okay Oleg and Martin? Yeah, that's perfectly fine. You are more than welcome to share any materials related to GSOC We also wanted to study from our other organizations So If you have any experience any advice just do that and you probably we should run a separate session with former GSOC students We have a number of former GSOC students participating as mentors this year So maybe we could have a session with These former students share their own experience Uh, yeah, sure enough. Thanks. It would be uh, great help for me and so actually, uh I was asking, you know for, uh, uh, you know for You know So actually I was asking for a discussion for, you know, my implementation and ideas so that, you know, uh Like if we can have a meeting, uh, so at that time we can have, uh Better and a healthy discussion rather than in the chat. So like I was just asking for a separate meeting for an hour Uh, at any time, okay, uh, okay, sir. So I'm just trying to understand. So What you're trying to say is that you're working on something related to the code base So you're not talking about a discussion about how to write a proposal but more about Discussion related to the code base That is related to the plugin Okay. Yes. So, uh, So, so I think uh, nissar Uh, I think martin and you maybe both of you can decide what time is mutually suitable for both of you Um, because anytime works for me. So I'll just join the call According to what you and martin Thing is a suitable time for both of you Yeah, so like only, you know, just I want to, uh, share the work done till now and I want to just, you know I have a discussion on, uh ideas and the code base and what can be changed in the decision that so, uh, like if possible, uh A meeting can be arranged. Yeah, so, uh Uh martin, sir Uh can, you know, just, uh Set a time and I think it would be fine with me to Yeah Yeah, um, I can set up some public office hours to specifically discuss the build discarder Uh, yeah, thank you. So it would be a great help for me So, yeah, let's take it offline. Uh, because yeah, there are other topics to discuss but Yeah In such cases just pink mentors say in the chat And try to organize what you need because it would be the best approach if You can't reach out to mentors due to whatever reason don't hesitate to pink or that means in the chat and we will Help you to get these things organized Yeah, sure. Thank you So, yeah Any other questions to discuss right now? Uh, hello. Hi, my name is uh, we need Hi So All right, if you remember, I just missed you a week ago. So I just had a discussion with my mentor So we are like we have both are agreed for the design of the proposal for polling docker You may just plug in thing. So like Do you want me to just draft a proposal with design or You like you guys will create a new project or a repository like we decided to start with a new plugin and As there is was there was one plugin for Docker notification plugin. So once the webhook URL notifies this docker plugin, it automatically Rebuilds the image from the base. So, however, uh, as we as I told in my last Weekly meetings also I was able to find the apis which were giving me the last updated date of the Image and that version or the latest image. So I'll be knowing Like is it the old or the what was the latest time when it was modified? So we'll directly integrate it with again with docker notification plugin. We were thinking but From Jenkins point of view, uh, and user will just go with one plugin, right? So that thing i'm still confused because I'll just download one plugin, but the other plugin how should if I want to integrate it with internally So he should have that plugin also, right? Well, I'm a bit lost So In Jenkins, if you have a plugin you can depend on another plugin and then if you install one plugin All its dependencies will be installed But yeah, depending on the implementation and may dependencies may be optional or mandatory So you can declare an optional dependency and for example declare an extension point Which will operate only when the required plugin is installed So it's not mandatory to have strong dependencies in all cases This is about the plugin dependencies Regarding the architecture design and mentor discussions. Yeah, unfortunately I don't have a track of this discussion But yeah, my proposal there would be to actually agree with mentors and start drafting a project idea And if you need more feedback, maybe pinging some people if I recall correctly This probably uses the default meter channel, right? Or does it use the yes, yes, yes, uh, we uh, You guys have suggested to use the default docker channel for this project, but I was uh, Me and uh, justin has had a discussion We have had a call day regarding this project and we both were On the same page regarding the project like what level of like the proposal even describes that we should check for the security vulnerability as well So there was one project open source project called clear, which does the security vulnerability checking on the image whenever we run it So I've seen quite a lot, but depending on the timeline and as I keep Start working on it. I can know what are the Like challenges will be involved in this so I couldn't give a commitment of security vulnerability is Canning would I can deliver for this plugin? So that was the thing I told he was like, yes, that might take a while to complete it. So he also agreed with that So that's it. So uh, like do you suggest me to go only with the Good design and a good proposal or else you want me to just create a base of the plugin So how do you want me to? Like apply like what work should I do on that proposal especially? Oh, it's better to discuss with mentors really. So both approaches mainly work currently Yeah, we have Modern moments and this time should be used by students to prepare good proposals So this is the main objective There is no objective to complete JSOC project during this time frame because it would be a bit odd If you need to do some prototyping and experiments in order to Make decisions how would you approach particular task? It's something what is welcome The same if you want to do some more contributions to explore the idea It's also something which would be welcome. But yeah, the main outcome for the next month is project proposal And this is what would be the focus So my suggestion just do whatever you need to create a project proposal And yeah, if you have some time to hack something Imperial your modern welcome Okay, that makes more sense. Okay. Thanks. Thank you So, yeah, there is no strict requirement in Jenkins organization to write any code Before your project gets accepted so yeah, it Generally, it's a good advice to explore the area to try contributing something because it may help you to create a good quality proposal But yeah, there is no strict requirement to do a lot of coding before the coding period starts Okay, if that's the case, I'll try doing some poc regarding the project so that we can Analyze till what extent we can complete the plugin I'll just do a poc Yeah Thank you. Okay. Um, thank you Um, if there is no other questions, I think we should Talk a bit about the framework. So how we organize meetings in order to make them Efficient and to make them comfortable for students for mentors Because yeah, now we have a lot of people on the call and yeah, I'm not sure whether The meeting can search format is comfortable and yeah, let's discuss how we would like to approach that Okay, so we are just So how we used to approach in the previous years we had separate Office hours for mentors and separate office hours for students, which were 20 sessions Yeah, so I just wrote down what we had in the previous years And the question would be are we fine with this approach or would we like to make changes there? So the office hours, um, are they are they recorded? Uh, as well I don't think it's ultimately unnecessary But yeah, we can record them Yeah So If there is a need we can record them Okay, um, I think when the office hours have a demonstration for example on Such presentations we did in the past with regards to plugin development or how to how to do extension points and so on Those are useful because they can be Reused in the future But if they're just general q&a About the current state and where we're at and just General questions from students on the process Those don't really need to be recorded. I don't think Yeah, so Few weeks ago. We agreed that we record all sessions But the reason was that we were switching between channels Google hangout and hangouts in air And a google hangout has a its own issues with permission management, which we hit continuously So yeah, that's why we agreed that we want to record all meetings But yeah, it's just a utility solution in order to go to all meeting surrounding smoothly so Yeah, if we we can still record the meetings, but we cannot We can keep recordings Unlisted by default And then we can publish recordings if something is needed Okay Would it make sense? Yeah By default So yeah regarding meetings A lot. Yeah, last year we had meetings in two time zones I think that we should keep doing that this year as well And we are taking the current or card mean availability. I believe that I will be covering this time zone I guess that Jeff Doesn't stay awake for long because he wakes up early So I would say that this meeting would be around 8 a.m. UTC Something like that and us you we could just move the meeting a bit later So now we have a meeting at 3 p.m. But yeah, maybe we could have it at 4 p.m. UTC or so So that that would work for me What about others? Yeah, I will send the doodle in order to schedule a particular session starting from the next week But yeah, I'm just pulling approximately 10 frames Okay, so that three. I'm just I just want to know that 4 p.m. UTC in my time zone It's One hour after this one Yeah Or we can just keep running it is this as office hours I'm just concerned that it's a bit too early for west coast Okay, let's try to accommodate the west coast Yeah, so my preference would be to have meetings a few hours later, but yeah, I'm not sure how others are available We usually have meetings at something like 6 p.m. UTC So just second This is a Jenkins calendar. It's not much helpful in this format, but we Okay, so this is what we have now so there are not that many meetings So we could say for example, we do a meeting on Monday or Tuesday around 8 a.m. UTC The time is in my local times on its UTC plus one And for example, there is project meeting. So maybe we could use this time slot Or so before the Jenkins project meeting So we can use this time slot As a student office hours since it is known to students at this time Yeah, so we can keep this Meeting as a general sync up but So I was actually thinking about having another slot for koin a and keeping this slot for status in cups Okay, but here we can adjust So yeah, if there are other preferences, we can just Yeah, I think it makes sense to just start to doodle And yeah Then we're taking the feedback from there. We can agree with would be the meeting slots um, okay, um, so so so that's Wait that we need to add one office hour time slot Okay, I'm confused So you would try to have one for us The americas and we try to have a time slot for asia pacific europe Yeah, right So have two of them now We want to keep the current one For sync up and questions if there's time and then have another office hours and the other one needs to be More friendly to The americas right Or we can say that the current slot is okay for americas But yeah, we already got some feedback from students so that it's not comfortable that it's too early Okay So if we want to create a new office hours, that's more comfortable moving it by one Moving it by one hour. Okay. So atm utc 3 p.m utc 3 p.m utc is It's already the current office hours No, it happens that's 2 p.m utc now two three oh Yeah, so it would be one hour later It is one hour good than Good enough If it's only just one hour Maybe it should be two Okay, okay. I'm confused. Oh leg has to how many office hours Then I will create a doodle. So what I want is to actually have three meetings a week Okay, so two full students quali and one for mentors and orchard means So this is what I propose Okay So for example, we can keep the current slot as sync up for mentors and orchard means And we create separate slots for Q&A One approach another approach we say that for example, this slot is okay for americas Or we can just reschedule all three slots and that's it Okay Why don't we keep the current one? for For the mentors and orchard means And create a tool for students Yeah, this is one of the options so, yeah I think that the action I can use to just create a doodle And then yeah, we start from there So we can keep this slot for projects in cup jsoc I seek meeting as it was originally announced And we create separate office hours for me Does it work for you martin? Separate office hours for I missed the word questions and answers Q&A, okay And What about the meeting we said we would have With just the orchard means and mentors without students Yeah, we keep the current time slots for example Okay Okay, so the time slot we're using right now Would no longer be for students Yes, something like that Okay, or maybe we just split it 30 minutes for public discussion and 30 minutes for private discussion. Okay So, yeah, let's probably take it offline But yeah, I think we really need to do something about Q&A here for americas to make to make it a bit later Okay Yeah, okay, let's take it offline Let's use the mailing list or something just to announce our intent and then Decide how the doodles are created and what What what meetings they are exactly? Okay, sorry if I confused you Okay, uh regarding the rest Yeah, so there was a topic today about Um session for gsoc students For former gsoc students to share their experience So I think No need to discuss it today But yeah, maybe we have could have such session closer to the application deadline Maybe in one month or so Yeah, that makes sense Let's say Approximately a march 25th or so The 25th march is Monday. So yeah, I can just put it here So yeah, but we don't forget So it's not an immediate need And yeah regarding the jsoc calendar. So I was presenting this calendar today already Yeah, so it's a standard Jenkins calendar and I will be putting Uh Events there for example application designs and other milestones But a question mostly for students Do you want to have the same Jenkins calendar? Or would you like to have a separate calendar specifically for gsoc events? So the bonus that you can just edit To your google account and then you will be able to browse your personal meetings and the jsoc meetings on the same page and doesn't matter I'm not sure it matters much Okay So yeah, I think we just do as we do and then if there is some feedback then we will adjust Right. Yeah, I'm not sure how many people use google calendars, but yeah, they're pretty useful sometimes Yeah, they are very useful I thought google was publishing its own ics file for calendars Yeah They do But uh, obviously it won't include to drink specific meetings That is correct. Yeah, so the advantage of having a separate calendar for jsoc that we Can Grant all mentors or and orca means access to this calendar so that They can put their own meetings like projects in cops or whatever So that's why I was thinking about the separate calendar because jenkins calendar only a few people have access to it Yeah, I think it makes sense. Yeah We could we can have a just specific jenkins jsoc calendar and The calendar that is displayed on the jenkins.io website. That's the jenkins calendar, but can we have Our own calendar or can we overlay on top of this one? How? Well It's possible to add meetings to two calendars as one of the options Or just duplicate the meetings This is also possible So, yeah, if you want a separate view for example on jsoc landing page to have a calendar embedded like On the page you presented. It's totally what we can do But if you want to add meetings to two calendars, it's less trivial But I can see how we can do that in the worst case it would be just the duplication of calendar events Okay Okay, let's not over Let's not overdo it Okay, so what I propose to do now we create public calendar Give access to all orchard means And yeah, we start from there and then if somebody has feedback, we just Address this feedback Okay Yeah, this works Okay Yep So do we have any other topics to discuss any questions any concerns Any proposals whatever I'm reading the minutes from yesterday's Mentor meeting. I don't see anything that we haven't talked about already Um, just need to implement these meets. Yeah, I mean this year we're so ahead of We're so prepared that We don't have many questions all our proposed all our project ideas are ready and they're all up online and they've been reviewed and So when we come to this meeting now, it's more relaxed than last year Which is good, which is good Yeah, I guess so though we can offer people to propose new project ideas But yeah Right now, I guess that nobody on this call wants to propose more project ideas Yeah, unless students want to work on their own projects, which is totally possible We if somebody wants to work on a specific project Just let us know you'll try to help you a bit Okay Okay, then if there is no other topics, I'll just Just have a nice evening and yeah, let's Yeah, let's schedule all doodles today's a whole so that by the end of the week we have Some fun regarding the meeting date Okay, so the action item for the calendar and setting up the doodle is on Is on who? Yeah, I can do that or if you want Martin, you can do that Okay, so I probably I have time to do this probably a couple days from now, but not Like Saturday Is that too late? So yeah, I'll try to do it today then Okay Okay I might have time in the evening, but Yep My evenings are booked on Wednesdays and Thursdays Okay, so yeah, I think we will just try to do that if it doesn't work. Okay. Let's in couple later Mm-hmm. Okay All right Okay, so yeah Thanks everybody for your time And yeah, I think that the main approach is to have less meetings and more conversations in the chat So yeah, let's try to move for discussions. So there as much as possible Okay Okay, sounds good. All right Okay. Bye everyone. Bye Bye


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Welcome to this powering Africa debate coming to you live from Davos, where the World Economic Forum annual meeting 2017 is currently in session. Over the next hour, we're going to look at the best ways to close Africa's power gap. Joining me to take this discussion further, I have Cyril Ramaphosa, Deputy President of the Republic of South Africa. We're joined by Akun Rumi Adashina, President of the African Development Bank. Rachel Kite, who's Special Representative of the Secretary-General and the Chief Executive of the UN Sustainable Energy for All. And we're joined by Eliko Dangorte, President and Chief Executive of Dangosi Industries. Thank you all very much for joining me. We know the task at hand is an enormous one. And the stat out there is that we can see economic growth in Africa increasing by some 30% if we close Africa's energy gap. And that is by 2040. Usually, we come to the end of this discussion and we ask the panelists for the most important point, the takeaway. When I'm going to turn this discussion on its head, and I'm going to start by asking you what we need to discuss over the next hour to make closing that energy gap in Africa a reality. Mr. Deputy President, if you could set the agenda for what is going to become, ladies and gentlemen, a working group here on the stage in Davos. It is quite clear that the issue of energy on the African continent is the one big issue that can change the economies of Africa. And if we're looking to have either industrialization, meaningful economic growth without energy, that is a pipe dream. We can only, as Africans, get real meaningful growth if we go into power Africa, roll out energy infrastructure throughout the African continent, and increase the megawatts output that we currently have. We need to do that so that we can empower our people, our economies. And we need to do that in a very smart way. In the past, we've just relied on governments to power our various countries. And we now need to start looking at how we can bring in the private sector to partner with government, but also how we can bring in the private sector itself to do it on an independent basis. We have seen from South Africa how effective it is to bring in the private sector to set up independent power generation. And we've been able to attract up to $194 billion in investments, meaningful investments that has brought about more than 2,500 megawatts of power. And we're looking to doing more and more of that. And when the private sector is given the opportunity to generate power independently, they grab the opportunity because they can raise the funding. They can, through their various networks, bring about technologies. And we've done it effectively in South Africa, particularly on renewable energy. And this, I believe, is the future for Africa because it's much cheaper. We can go for hydro, we can go for wind, and we can go for solar. And that is what we've done in South Africa. And we've realized great benefits. And we're now going to be moving to other generations as well. We're going to spend some more time examining the IPP example in South Africa and the success that is as a world-class model of renewable energy. President Adesheena, it was on the stage in January 2016 that you launched the New Deal on Energy for Africa, a transformative partnership on energy. You've moved very quickly over the last 12 month period. You put forward a strategy to the board, agreed that there was going to be more investment in energy across the African continent. You set up an entire vice presidency complex, the only multilateral institution to do so for power because of the gravitas of the situation. You've got 12 projects currently underway, all from IPPs through to transforming the utilities. This is your agenda now, the next 12 months. What do you want to see happening? Well, first and foremost, let me say I need to hire you also for the power complex because you seem to understand it very well. We can chat after the session. Well, let me say that I'm proudly African and I'm very optimistic about Africa's economic growth and future and prospects. But none of that can actually happen unless we deal with the structural problem of lack of power in Africa. If you don't have power, you can light up homes. Kids can't go to school. You can't drive industries. You can't be competitive in almost anything. So for me, the most important thing is really to light up and power Africa. Lights are fine, but you need base load power to drive industries all across Africa. And that's why, as you said, that was right here last year. We launched a new deal on energy for Africa. The goal is it's really big and it's got to be big because I'm tired of Africa being in the dark. And we decided as a bank that we're going to focus in $12 billion on the power sector over the next five years. But as the deputy president was saying, it's not just the government that's going to do that. It's that we've got to leverage the private sector. So we expect to leverage anything between $45 and $50 billion from the private sector and the likes of Aliko and others that are investing massively in this sector. The agenda, if I will say four things. First is that we've got to get the private sector into the energy space big time. Because if you look at how much is being spent on the energy today in Africa, it's probably about, it's grown from about $22 billion in 2014 to $35 billion by 2015. Private sector is only $2.5 billion in 2014, but $7 billion, it's about 3.5 times by 2015, is got to go a lot more. So that's the first thing that we've got to do. The second thing we've got to do is to really make sure that we do reforms of the entire energy sector. The energy sector can be the cash cow for government to just say, look, it's all by governments. We did that mistake with mobile phones, landlines, and look at where we are right now with mobile phones.  And I would say that's big. The third one is if investors like Aliko are going to make an investment in anything and others are going to make investment, it's going to pay off.  And finally is that it's going to take government, and I'm glad the deputy president is here, it's going to take all multilateral finance institutions that can do risk a lot of investments, and it's going to take the private sector to bring in a lot of the things and others so that Rachel, my twin sister here, that we are working to get on renewable energy. As deputy president, I think the message for me for African leaders is that if you're going to stay in power, then give power. Give. People need to get power because the citizens are absolutely tired of being in the dark. So I think there's a public agenda, a political agenda, a private sector agenda, and how we do risk investments. We're going to pick up on cost reflective tariff and then we're going to go back to the resolution in the discussion, because no matter how big the opportunity, if investors can't make money, then they're not going to venture into that space. Rachel, you were appointed as CEO of the U.N. Sustainable Energy for all. You took up the position in January 2016. You made a statement at that point saying that technology in this space is having a revolution all by itself. Policy is stuck or nascent, and the financial revolution in this space has to play catch up with the other two. Twelve months down the line, is that still true? Yeah, I think so. I think that we've, and actually Africa is the crucible of a lot of the innovation in this space, in particular in the space of providing electricity off the grid, mini-grids, solar home systems, different technologies with different business models, building off the success that Africa has built in mobile payments and mobile money. So it is interesting that a lot of the rest of the world is looking at, in particular, some of the work that's going on in East Africa and saying, okay, this shows us that it is technologically feasible to provide affordable, reliable, clean power to people who've never had it before. And when you think about rounding that problem out, it's more than 600 million Africans without access to reliable, affordable, clean power. That's not just, as Akene said, that's not just get them a lamp and get them a cell phone charger. That's getting them the productive demand so that they can start the businesses, so that they can grow their businesses, and so that big industries and manufacturing and industrialization takes place too. When you think of the size of the opportunity of more than 600 million people who don't have it now, who need to have it, who want to have it, that's the healthcare systems and the education systems they can't reliably depend upon. That's the businesses that have never been started. It's also the super-efficient radios, televisions, fans, cook stoves, lighting, water pumps, motors, that an economically productive Africa is going to want to have access to. That's a manufacturing opportunity for Africa, for India, for China, for everybody. If we can take the technology that makes this power now affordable and applicable in these situations, the finances there need, there are lots of barriers to that finance flowing, but we can talk about those. If the policy environment was benign and treated clean power and fossil fuel power a little bit more equitably and recognize that the gap will be closed speedily for some parts of those who don't have it by using an integrated approach, both strengthening the grid and extending it, but also underneath the power lines and beyond the power lines using off-grid solutions, this is a global goal that can be met and it needs to be met as soon as possible. The 1.1 billion people in the world that don't have access to clean energy, 620 million of those live in Africa, so there's the enormity of the problem when it comes to the African continent. Talking about finance flowing, Mr. Aliko Dungorte, big investments, so 12 billion dollars into Nigerian oil refinery and huge plans for gas pipelines across West Africa. Talk to me about the timing of your investment, particularly in the Nigerian oil and gas sector. We're going to talk a bit about the economic environment that Nigeria is experiencing at the moment, which as we know, a technical recession is upon that territory. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. I think the problem that we have, normally sometimes it is lack of credible master plan and also a competent regulator. Today you are right, in West Africa we shouldn't really have any issues about having power, most especially because Nigeria has abundant gas. There's gas in abundance where, you know, but the issue is how to get that gas off the ground. And one of the things that we're doing really is building a subsea gas pipeline from the Niger Delta to Lagos and also to be connected to the West African gas pipeline. That will free up something like about 3 billion of gas. 3 billion of gas will give you 12,000 megas of power. Today the biggest issue that we have in Nigeria is to do with using the generators that were actually fixed in the last seven, eight years, maybe nine years by General Electric and Siemens and Co. They are there, but we don't have gas to operate them. And the only way for us to have the gas is actually, you know, to do something very innovative. Today we have those plants that are not working. Even those that are working, the old ones, they are not getting enough gas because of vandalization of gas pipeline, this or whatever, you know, a lot of other issues. So when we finish our gas pipeline, what that will do is to open up the this, you know, I mean we are doing some of it about 900 million will be owned by us, but the rest we are going to transport to other people. There are a lot of fields that they have gas, but they are firing most of the gas up in the air because I mean there's actually no transportation. So we are creating that corridor to transport the gas. And when you look at it today in West Africa, we should really have any problem about generating power. The issue is that we have abundance of gas. We have no coal in Nigeria, which we are not using at all. We just converted, well, we put up coal plants in all our cement plant to reduce reliance on gas because the gas is not available most of the time because of infrastructure. So I think with that, you can see that we as, I mean we do have it in West Africa, we have the West African power full. And that can actually, you know, give power to Niger, give power even up to Cameroon and other areas. So with that, it is actually going to pre-off, but I've heard you talking about financing. Financing is not an issue really. If I have a credible project today, I go to the likes of ADB, you know, IFC and coal. The financing is there. Our south, Dengote and Blackstone have already promised and put up an agreement which we say will provide $5 billion to generate power. But, you know, we need also the governments to really move very fast. Power issue in Africa is a very serious issue. You have heard what President Aditya said that for people who really want to remain in power, they must provide power. So going forward, I think elections are going to be about power. And I think we've already got the closing statement for this debate later in the session. Sure. Again, Alika, before we move on, there are news reports coming out of Nigeria that you are having significant trouble with the transmission lines on the national grid. Sunday night, the 15th of January, 2017, there's a power crisis in Nigeria that is substantial as we speak in that there is minimal electricity being generated from the grid right now. Are those media reports being overly dramatic, or is the situation, and I'm sure you've heard from your plants on the ground, so is the situation dire in Nigeria today? I think it's more to do with the gas supply. There was a systems collapse and, you know, sometimes when you give more power than it is needed you have those issues. But mind you it is what I call before lack of planning. You know, we in business, the private sector, will do all our plans to be ready before going to the likes of ADB and make sure that yes, we know what we are saying, and they will also check. Normally in government, they don't have those kind of plants. You know, especially if they are spending their own money, they are not going for debt. But it's not an overly dramatic situation, just from a news flow perspective in Nigeria today? No, I mean in Nigeria, really, there are other areas where they have put up a brand new, under the Nigerian independent power plan, you know, they have a lot of areas. For example, if you go to areas like Abuja or a place called Chalawa in Kano, these areas alone they have 2,500 megas that could actually be evacuated. But the problem is the majority of the power is being generated in the Niger Delta and be transported in the other parts of the country. Why it shouldn't be evacuated? I see President Adishina wants to come in here. In the case of Nigeria you have a particular risk which is concentration of relying on Tamil power. I think with gas, and with the big problems that you have with the gas pandalism and all that, that is quite difficult. I think it's very important for Nigeria to diversify that energy mix. That's why the African Development Bank is investing a lot in the north of Nigeria. I mentioned also coal, but coal if you're going to do it, do a clean coal. I went to Japan and I went to the Isoco power plant in Japan and I sat down and I saw this power plant. I didn't know I wasn't a power plant. I thought I wasn't a hotel. That's how good the technology is today. But on Nigeria, the African Development Bank is going to provide about $200 million to support the Nigerian bulk electric trader to be able to address that liquidity problem. But as Aliko also said, even if you've got all that right, the transmission network has to be totally changed. You need smart grids, you need to totally change that transmission network, and we are committed to working with Nigeria. President Adishina, I want to bring you back to South Africa because the African Development Bank was a very important part of South Africa because the African Development Bank was also instrumental in rallying to support ESCEM with a syndicated loan of $965 million. With Kigali, Mr Deputy President, you stated that South Africa had experienced headwinds in the energy sector 2014-2015 and that was receding. You said shortly South Africa would be able to fully power its energy sector. I'm going to look back at statements that have been made and track progress. What is the biggest breakthrough over the last six-month period in South Africa's energy sector? Well, as you correctly say, we encountered headwinds when it came to energy generation and it was largely due to the fact that our power stations were old and had aged and we hadn't paid enough attention to repairing them but in the meantime we had started building three new power stations but they were taking too long to come into operation. So there was an 18-month period where we really had problems but then the government then took the bet in its teeth and decided that it is going to resolve this problem. Set up a war room which the President asked me to head and in doing so we were able to get right down to the power stations to resolve the problems. Today we have gone over the blackouts. South Africa does not have blackouts any longer. The mines are operating, the factories are operating, the homes have electricity and we now have excess power and we now also going to have more excess power when the three power stations come fully into operation which will give us another 8,000 megawatts. But looking forward, this brings me to the energy mix issue. It is important for countries to have a very good mix of their energy generation and not to rely on one only. Currently most of our energy, the base load is powered by fossil fuels but we moving yes towards clean coal generation as well but the other thing is we moving more and more towards renewable. And in time we are going to go more into nuclear. We already have nuclear which generates about 2,000 but we want to get more nuclear so that will give us a very good mix but other important thing that we now lurching onto is to have regional integration. We almost finalizing an agreement with the DRC to integrate it from the great inga which will bring hydro energy but not only for South Africa but for a number of neighboring countries. And if we have not already gone to the bank, we will be knocking on the door. We will be going to the bank for more money so that we can power the great inga. The bank is already there. Wonderful. I just want to follow up on that point that we have got to really develop regional power markets. And to do that you have to focus also on regional power projects. And I can't think of any regional power project more important than the great inga. You have got 44,000 megawatt sitting out there and that is enough to light up and power most of Africa actually. So what the African Development Bank has done is that we have provided for project preparation facility for the grand inga. The world bank has pulled out of that project. Is that a concern? My job as president of African Development Bank is to take a good bet on Africa at all times. And to light up and power Africa we have got hydro. Are the potentials immense? You look at just solar. We are talking of 11 terawatts of power. You look at hydro 350 gigawatts of power which grand inga included. You are looking at the geothermal which we are developing quite a lot now about 15 gigawatts and look at wind, 115 gigawatts. And so what we really have to do is Aliko is correct. We are investing heavily on project preparation to get many of those projects to bankability. We are putting in 100 million dollars into that. We are investing 1,000 megawatts of which 4,500 is the grand inga. I mean the inga 3 which will now Gentlemen I have to interrupt you. I am so sorry president. Everybody out there is waiting for me to ask you for the time horizon on inga dam. You walked yourselves into this discussion. I have to get that answer. Well it's been long time in the making. It's a multiple government type of project which has taken quite a long time. You needed to nest it all into shape and form and now the bank is now involved. And this is the bank that does not play politics and you don't have to run for elections or anything like that. The last time I checked. So he is taking a big and a great bet on Africa and so he is going to finance. The timeline actually as we speak there are those that have actually bid it for the inga 3. That bid process is almost completed. There are two people at firms that have done that and I think in the next one year you see a fast move on that as soon as think and settle politically in that area. But I do want to say something that's very important. Even if we get as we get the grand inga the inga 3 right the critical challenge is going to be that the power transmission line goes through many countries. It's really who is going to pay for the power and how are you going to finance that? And so one area where the bank is going to come in is that the bank will support the countries to float power purchase bonds that will allow them to be able as long as they do cost reflective tariff to be able to pay for that power as it passes through their country. That makes it bankable right not just in terms of off-take and the issue of power mix and I want to emphasize that. Aliko also mentioned that. I think as we look at renewable energy there's a lot that is going on right now that is exciting. You take a look at M-Copper in Kenya. You take a look at Power Hive in Kenya. You take a look at Mobisol that is actually doing quite a lot. I know you used to me interrupting you but we need to tell people what M-Copper is. M-Copper is an amazing organization that is connecting 250,000 people households actually to household solar PV systems and say pay as you go system so it works very well and so the decision we made in the African Development Bank is look I don't want I don't like pilots I don't like small things African is big things and it is fast that we need to take connecting 250,000 households a year to how do we reach 75 million households and the business model that we have developed which everybody to mutualize is if we can take M-Copper and all the others to do 10 times what they are currently doing right you get a 2.5 million and then you replicate that in 30. I know Rachel has set in on many strategy sessions. She's making inroads here. I understand but let me finish that point which is if you do it in 30 countries you reach 75 million people so the point I'm making is we've got to go to scale. We've got to set up the financing structures that manage things at scale and to do risk the renewable energy sector because the cost is still quite high and the risk is quite high. So let's get really specific okay so I completely agree with the opportunity and as I said before the innovations coming out of Africa but the truth of the matter is today that we can sit here and we can name the five, six companies that are really breaking through at commercial level providing these off-grid renewable solutions and the truth of the matter is that we need not six but 600 right. This is a market of 610 620 million Africans who don't just need a light, don't just need a fan, they need enough to have productive economic participation. That is a massive opportunity so everybody's tuned into the right program and you're all in the right room here in Davos. So what do we need to do? We need to drop some real money on really understanding the market dynamic for that segment of the population. So what will rural Mozambicans pay for what? What's the price point and how many of them are? I mean there's a lot of money out there and we need some grant money just to go down on that because otherwise each one of these six companies is going to have to go and do its own marketing information country by country which is going to go do the marketing information. Secondly, these companies will tell you that they can't get sufficient access to low cost local currency financing and of course the Africa Development Bank and others are working on it but there's an awful lot of money sitting in African banks given over the last few years for on lending to SMEs that hasn't been moving for all kinds of different reasons. So there's plenty for government to do to start unwinding why those banks aren't lending to start getting that going to take more risk and there's a lot of solutions that are being seen in different countries in Rwanda in Kenya and South Africa that need to go to scale. So let's get the market information right, let's get the access to finance. The equity and the long term debt are there but they're expensive still and then we need to see a lot of these companies grow and they need to be complimenting the big utilities the government owned, the big central grid connected because we need both the big grid connected and this off-grid market to grow at the same time. Our experience has been the money is there in the local market and in fact our complaint with the renewable power production is that quite a big chunk of that money has come from the local market rather than as direct investment from outside we would have preferred much bigger contribution from outside. This really revolves around the bankability of the project the project is innovatively well structured and it's bankable banks in the local market can fund it, there is always money there. But let me move on to another one where this I have to take the debate back so this is your and my first experience on stage together. I think it should be a pleasant one so I'm not being rude by it. No you're not being rude yes. But Mr. Dangoche has signal that he wants to come in here. Deputy President I think yes you are right there is money in the local banks but if you really look at it the interest rates are high that's number one. Number two also he said yes they can actually borrow out there. If you go and borrow money in Africa in some countries we don't have a stable currency and it is very dangerous for you to go and borrow money in dollars while your own generating your own generating machine is in Quatcha. So yes so it won't really work so all what you need to do government they need to really look at okay fine how do we support the power this is because with power it is a win-win situation wherever you go and double your power even you are internally generated funds that's government revenue will increase because you will now put a lot of people at work but what they need to do is to make sure that they make the either foreign exchange available but it is much better if I'm going to invest in Nigeria I would like to put my NERA first and then buy dollars so that I have the risk that currency and then I can now go and be charging in local currency so I'm coming back to you on innovation financing models and I want to come back to innovative financing models because I think the private sector at times they tend to sit on their laurels and don't go forward to government on an unsolicited basis with really innovative and winning ideas and my challenge would be if you are in the private sector go to government with really great ideas innovative smart ideas put them on the table and if they are not acceptable bring in another one and another one until you win because that's how governments work so you don't win at the same first take Yes, it is very difficult Yes, it is with us as entrepreneurs you have hundreds of things that you want to do Yes a lot of things why you are taking them to government they have lots of documents sitting there without them even checking so really it is not easy for an entrepreneur to keep presenting things and they don't really understand so contractors they can do so I'm going to get you back I think we've got to bring this debate back but I do want to just put some scenario in there if you go into websites and you look for projects that are being executed across the African continent in the power space planning phase, planning phase planning phase, planning phase bankability was the key word that we spoke about a minute ago so those ideas are coming forward but how do you get them to bankable so well they are actually not just in planning phase they are actually being funded if you take for example the case of Rwanda we did a lot of financing for geothermal in Rwanda we helped to create takeover bankability development company of Kenya which is a very innovative thing you go to the case of Morocco which is the new roughly 500 megawatts which is the largest concentrated solar power actually in the world that we funded so there's a lot of things actually being funded but two points I want to make to what the deputy president was saying earlier renewable energy you see for renewable energy we still have to understand that it's very difficult for those that are there to promote us to get access to long term debt for what they are doing and so as a bank we decided that the best way to do that is to create what we call a facility for energy inclusion which is a $500 million facility and I want to thank Rachel for all providing $600,000 for us technical preparation facility but that's $500 million that will go into those that have small projects less than 30 megawatts that you need access to financing for to be able to finance them to take that to scale those are the off grid solutions but secondly is that we can't just talk in terms of megawatts and megawatts or gigawatts at the end of the day there has to be access and there has to be affordability so energy access is fundamental and for us as a bank we think that to promote a lot of the energy access for people the last mile connection is very key and so we provide a significant financing to Cote d'Ivoire for example to connect to 250 communities to get access to electricity we did the same thing for Kenya with 1.5 million persons connected to last mile to get access to electricity so I think we've got to combine both of these things very very well but at the end of the day I think we need really as Aliko you can see the exchange between we've got to really get the government and the private sector together to really deal with how we do the massive reform of the energy sector because there is no constraint you were saying on capital side but we want to make sure that the policy the legal the regulatory environment the pricing issue gets set Africa has waited for too long for us to make the wrong decisions the room appreciates mine is a tough job five minutes left of this panel discussion and you can see this is why we have these four people in this room because they are at the heart of solving the energy crisis across the African continent but we've mentioned East Africa repeatedly I'd like to bring in now President Uhuru Kenyatta of the Republic of Kenya and get his thoughts on privatization in the power sector Kenya took a decision that our sector was going to operate on commercially based matter whereby we would bring private sector initiatives into the industry and we have seen it working superbly if we can focus on energy as we are doing for example in Kenya because what is our greatest challenge our greatest challenge is to create jobs we're not going to create jobs if we can't industrialize we're not going to industrialize power we then went out and did major reforms to our entire energy sector in 1997 and passed all the necessary legislation that actually opened up the generation part of the industry and through that commercialized our own generation entity and made it to start operating on a commercial basis in order to attract private sector we needed to first of all establish that we had proven reserves of geothermal so our GDC as we called it went out ahead and started doing the key exploration and this we invested in as a government we have been able to attract up to about let's say 30% of our now of our energy requirements are pumped into the system private sector 30% of their energy requirements are pumped into the system by the private sector let's talk about the independent producer project in South Africa this world class example what made that come together well what made that come together was a decision by government that government could not do it alone and in fact that we needed to bring in new technologies and those who had reached for technology were the private sector and we set up a special unit in the Ministry of Energy which would set out the policy and thereafter which would evaluate all these proposals that had to come and we had a huge number of proposals that came in because suddenly the private sector realized that government were serious about increasing our energy supply in the country and that we wanted to move towards renewable energy and smart energy for that matter and when that happened proposals came in and they were properly evaluated and we have a very good robust regulator as well so government policy was the real engine in getting this done but the private sector played a key role as well in sharpening the government's capability in this regard as well so I think we've come out really strong on renewable energies Rachel, if you have policy certainty will everything else follow? Is that what we're learning from the South African example here? It certainly helps so policy can be an accelerator because if it sends that clear long term signal, if it is open and transparent and fair and the terms are clear and if you engage the private sector to make sure that you're building something then it really helps and I think what's extraordinary is that good news doesn't travel as fast as bad news and what you really need is the energy teams across ministries in every African country to understand what the government did from the policy leadership from the top of the South African government from the leadership of the deputy president making it happen, the sort of delivery unit mentality of going around are you on track, have you done what you need to do, are you on the right table, what help do you need and then building out from that then you saw through clear power purchase agreements, you saw the participation of the private sector, you saw different financing and different capital coming in there were other interesting things going on in South Africa at that time that affected its investment climate but even with notwithstanding that they were able to attract billions of dollars of foreign direct investment and generate domestic investment into this so that lesson needs to be understood by every African team really Aliko, you want to take D'Angoti Industries to a hundred billion dollar company you've stated that as an intention, looking at policy, looking at where you're investing and the oil and gas environment where do you see additional policy stability across Africa to expand your oil and gas assets I think most of the policy, the most important one is actually the one in the power sector and in the same in one single location today we are doing about 920 megas of power that is to power our 3 million tons of fertilizer, urea and ammonia and also to power our 650,000 barrels per day of primary energy was also the petrochemical complex and what we did was actually we worked with GE to give us engines that can actually work with anything whether it is fuel water is the only thing that we will not be able to do is water so with that we have security but if you are talking about expanding what we need is pure clear policy direction because what we really don't like as investors in Africa is that you give a policy why yes this is the policy sometimes government will even say come and invest and I will give you this tax holiday I will give you this I will give you that the moment that you start the business as an entrepreneur you take the risk if things turn out well then second third year now the government will say let me remove this tax holiday but that is not in your plan I mean it is just like us in Nigeria for example we have a policy to encourage local indigents to get into upstream of oil and gas and I think they need to give them all sorts of encouragement to make sure that yes we do diversify into the oil and gas because by 2015 Nigeria should be pumping out about 4 million barrels a day but today we are still at 2.2 policy certainty we hearing it over and over again on this discussion President Adesina of the 12 task groups that you have set up within the vice presidency complex that is pushing the power agenda is there one of those projects that is focusing specifically on reform from a policy perspective absolutely I mean the vice president for power is here and he delivers so you can be sure that we will deliver on all the things that we are working on we have one of the departments that we have is on energy statistics policies and regulations to the point that it has been made because we really believe that structurally to change that sector we have to get the policies right the government has to be right the senate system has to be right and we must really base decisions not on politics but on evidence so evidence based policies is quite critical that's why for us as a bank as part of our policy based operations to countries last year alone we did even while we were developing all of this we did 1.7 billion dollars of investment in the power sector and a big part of that was with energy sector reforms like in Nigeria with Algeria that you will have multi-air tariff orders that addresses the point that Aliko is making and also that us will also look and assess properly the kind of risk that private investors face and use a lot more the partial risk guarantees for us to be able to deal with obligations of government not being met there are political risks that have to be addressed but even private sector to private sector transactions how you do risk that with partial equity guarantees are all the things that we have and the short answer to that is that we are looking at a holistic approach with financial solutions innovative financial solutions to the energy sector within the African development bank Mr. Deputy President you made a very strong statement at West Africa in Kigali about the fact that you could open a business in Kigali in 3 hours you spoke of South Africa putting forward a one stop investment shop as an investor in the 6 billion dollar wind industry in South Africa I would come to you to that department not necessarily to you sir but to your department and you would give me an end to end solution that was 6 months ago where are we in the pipeline the independent power production is an easy one because we as I said set up a unit in the department of energy so that's a simple one every license every regulatory provision is resolved there almost in no time because the unit is geared up to deal with foreign investors, local investors to sort out all the difficulties that any investor could have at local government level, provincial government with water with everything so they do that apart from that we've also set up a one stop shop at the national level and we're duplicating it now at the provincial level at the provincial level we've got those being set up I've got Mr. Zigalala here who is the MEC of economic affairs in Quasulunatal he has set one up and it's working very well and at a national level investors come they present whatever proposal they want immediately all the various disciplines in government have combined the various ministries they've combined to assist that investor within a short space of time and this I think is the thing that governments in Africa should do I just want to say that I really just like Rachel also commend the deputy president and the South African government for what they've done on the IPP procurement system in Africa we just have to work in and scale it up and so from the African Development Bank we made a decision to work with several countries where these similar conditions can be to take that IPP procurement platform for renewable energy to support things all across Africa so welcome let's bring in another voice into this discussion again from East Africa and that is president Paul Kagami president of the Republic of Rwanda even if we have problems or we want to have problems or we are interested in those problems more than having electricity why don't we separate these two let's continue having our problems but let's allow our citizens to have electricity so is the speed at which we are moving the right one I think there is progress but there needs to be made more progress than probably we are making I think this is where the argument is so we need to find some ways of some ways of accelerating what we are doing but if you look at these resources and then look at the needs the needs can also be divided according to how we are going to invest writing homes writing even streets writing hospitals schools and so on this may not need the kind of best load power you can use solar different kinds of great solutions but if you are powering industries if you are talking about and separating rural areas and urban areas where the industries are located then that will dictate the mix as well I do just want to open to the audience at this stage we have 10 minutes left of our debate any burning questions I will take 3 I will take you sir Thank you very much for this panel excellent panel from Nigeria, my name is Tonya Kose we invested close to 1 billion dollars in the power sector purchasing generation and distribution assets and since then we have seen the collapse of that entire thing on the policy my question is if as a Nigerian investing in my country at that level if we were able to succeed because of policy why would others invest in the continent if we cannot do it and then secondly what's the panel going to do for investors like us to encourage us to keep investing even in the continent where policies continue to change every day quick response, who would like to take that I'm only going to give one response from the panel I will I think first it's great that you are making those investments but I can tell you that the reforming policies take time but don't forget though 30% of all the business and regulatory reforms made globally last year were made in Sub-Saharan Africa so progress is actually being made what we can do at the African Development Bank is as part of our new complex on power we can support countries better now and remember as you said we are the first and the only multilateral development bank that would devote an entire vice president to the specific complex just to the issue of power so I think there's a lot of help that we can provide for you in making that but I've also said that for Nigeria obviously Nigeria will be a big giant economic power if it gets the power thing right and I think for us it's one of our biggest priority is how we work with the government to get the policy and the regulatory environment right and to solve that liquidity problem that is actually creating a big problem within that value chain for power and just a small addition to what President Adishina said I think in Nigeria really we have to have a major revolution where I think we need to have prepared meters a lot of people got into power business thinking that it was going to be like mobile where in 2000 we had only 500,000 lines and by 2015 Nigeria has over 127 million lines so you cannot be chasing customers to come and pay their bills it's just not possible in Africa so you need to really transform where you have enough prepared meters where yes you pay what you want to consume unless we change that it's just not going to happen because there must be money in the basket where everybody will be paid the distribution company will be paid the generation company will be paid and also the distribution company will be paid cost-effective tariffs also the people who are supplying gas should be paid but if people are not being paid then there's no way you can have new investors we've got four minutes left Rachel a quick one and then we want to take a quick statement we produce heat maps of who's doing well, who's moving fast who's not doing so well, who's not moving so fast looking at the investment climate the level playing field for different energy sources looking at where the need is, where the access gaps are who's got the greatest energy productivity in their economy and the answer is that in every region of the world there are countries that are making quick progress and doing well and there are countries that are standing still and there are countries that right next to each other are showing that how you can do it and how you can't do it and the question I think for the continent is right, this is a multi-multi trillion dollar opportunity for business all the evidence is that when you get it right the investment flows and we have to start a race to the top coming please thank you very much, my name is Hindu I'm coming from Chad and just to say that to develop Africa we need the clean energy this is the only pathway that Africa do not have the choice with this environmental crisis around the world you can ensure the full and effective participation of the peoples because we are not talking about the leaders we are talking about the population of Africa and this participation and clean energy need to do not violate other rights who are right to the land and who are right to the waters and to ensure that these peoples are taking the account of man and woman equality thank you for that statement and thank goodness we have more conversations beyond Davos we lead up to the World Economic Forum in Africa which also makes it possible for me to double-shake on all the promises that you've made on this stage today another comment and then we're going to go to our clothes good evening, my name is Uluwashi I'm from Abuja and my question is this we know that from your conversations there is finance and there is some capacity to generate power but the problem is access to power, that last mile delivery so what are the panelists doing or development bank or government or private sector to solve that problem of access because some people can actually afford to pay for power but they just don't have that access can I jump in here because we don't have time to go through the panel but let's go and look at the solutions like in copper the off-grid solutions 400,000 homes have been connected since it went commercial in 2012 500 additional homes are being connected on a daily basis it's a solar solution with a battery that has a mobile phone charger a radio and three lights you can now get, that's the 8 watt version you can also get a 20 watt version which gives you digital television as well we've spoken extensively about off-grid solutions the 500 million dollar fund that President Adishina and the African Development Bank have put in place particularly for the renewable space and for that entrepreneur so we are out of time but we're taking this conversation forward into West Africa could we end to stay in power you have to provide power thank you very much and just very quickly we've got one minute on policy certainty, that's the other element that I'm going to push you all on as we get into West Africa policy certainty, once you have the regulation in place, the rest will follow Mr. Deputy President do I have your commitment sir we have our commitment and I think policy certainty is going to be a developing process in Africa various countries are going to be learning from each other and if a country is, you know, lagging behind on policy certainty it will be overtaken by others so they will learn together as we move on commitment on policy certainty absolutely and that's why the African Development Bank will be launching this year what's called the Africa Investment Forum it's not going to be a talk shop at all that was for investments, transactional so that we can get help to sit in the room get private investors in the room make the deals happen and then deal with the policy and regulatory things that constrain investment so we're going to be on front end of this this year Rachel Kite, I want your commitment a complete commitment helping unpick where the synapses are missing or there's blocks in the policy the perversities are and also helping tell the stories of what's working Mr. Aliko Dangoete what's your commitment we'll keep convincing various governments to actually to be mindful about inconsistency in terms of policies once there's consistency of policies there will be a lot of more investments coming up thank you very much for joining us for this live debate coming to you from Davos where the World Economic Forum annual meeting 2017 is currently in session thank you


Ladies and gentlemen, we took you now by transcription, behind the scenes of a police headquarters in a great American city where under the cold glaring lights will pass before us the innocent, the vagrant, the thief, the murderer. This is the lineup. That might be fun. That would be a good idea. Well, sir, you invited me to attend this. No, no, this is fine. Hey, this is quite a setup. I never knew what the lineup really was. Well, will it be many men up there on the stage? No, about 14. Really? My goodness. I'm sure it's a nice job. Well, that is not all he does. He does this in addition to his regular duties. Oh, man, have your attention, please. I guess it wouldn't make much sense to take a place and just introduce prisoners. That was a budget we had, I don't know. I'll explain the lineup to you. Each of the suspects you'll see will be numbered. I'll call out the number, their name and charge. If you have any questions or identifications, please remember the number assigned to the prisoner as I call his name. You're sure? Not too sure. The suspects have him held. I'll certainly be positive on that, help me out. I'll have to get it back to you as long as I live. Well, it's all right. Well, it's all right. All right. Okay, keep it moving right over here at the end of the stage. Come on, boys. Come on.   Straight out to the screen, that's it. Now when I call out your number, step out. Keep facing front to talk up so everybody can hear you.  I want to talk to them from the right. I don't know what we're talking about. Okay, look at one. Fast and robbery. Okay, James, where do you live? The Roman House. Where? 114 1219 Street. What kind of work do you do? I'm a bricklayer. I work on the construction jobs. Where do you work? I ain't working. I'm in jail. Where do you work before you're picked up? I don't know. Joking for the construction company. How long do you work for? Three days. Why do you leave? Couldn't make any money. They never give us no overtime. You want a car? Yeah. What car? 36, surely. Hey, your number two. Where do you think you're going? They're going. They're going nowhere. Are you kidding? Get back in line. I'm just tired of standing still. Get back in line and stay there. Okay. I get nervous when I got to stay in one place. I'll be quiet. Okay. I'm quiet. He hates me because I move. All right. Back it off. Yesterday. Let's see. Where was I? Things like this hasn't happened before. Yeah. Come on. All right. Number one and two were picked up together. They've been given every big trouble. 36, surely. Okay. It hasn't happened before.  Blue 51 O's will do. Wait till you get it. I didn't get it. Me had it. Who's Lee? Me. I'm Lee. Never mind. Leave willard number two. Okay, stand and step back. Number two, Lee willard robbery. Step out, Lee.  Where do you live, Lee? 114 South 90 East in 10th St. What do you work? I ain't working right now. kind of between jobs when you do work what do you do yeah i've been a carpet you know the crowbar almost all companies on crowbar how come you have a crowbar with your last night oh i don't know i usually have it with me hanging on your belt under your top coat sure that's a good place to catch you know anything about a liquor store that was broken into is lilin and first last night oh i can't say that you own a car i was picked up in one that isn't what i asked you do you own a car yeah and what guy the 41 dodge where is it up in Oregon i let my girlfriend use it where'd you get the 51 Osmo baby we'll pick up it well that's a long story so cut it down i'll be glad to listen i lived up in Oregon you see it's important man you know oh my gosh i'm gonna see you for a minute you'll get me you'll get me you'll get me you'll get me you'll get me you'll get me nice to meet you my friend sure thing with you real nice to meet you so i think it's a nice way to talk to him what's up asher safety drugs to our 23rd and flasks in this held up just one person did the job woman got excited and shot the cashier dr gerson doesn't think there's much hope for him they get a good description of it well the clerics buddy recognize him no where's the clerk now out at the drugstore in the liquor department right over there this girl comes walking by and you know when you think you met somebody before you kind of smile and speak well she gives me a real cold stare are you positive you've seen her before whoa yeah 95 sure oh where was it you saw her before while i was on garden grow live it's the same day and i'm pretty sure it is she was a stripper in a nightclub how long ago was this all about a year and a half ago what was her name well i don't know what her real name was they call her babs or brunette bombshell did anyone see how she got away from here yeah and he works in the candy department it's up front right by the door he said she ran out and jumped in a blue 47 for two play he didn't get the license number or anything it gets really excited when something happens well we'd like to blame him watch out he's excited too yeah well uh we'd like you to come down to headquarters with us mr well see if you can find a picture in the mug file she may have a previous record oh sure i'd be glad to i guess the manager let me off i think he will we'll talk to him you stick with the well save i'll pick carger up and take her on out of the blue grotto tell me i'm lieutenant gaffrey the sergeant carger what do you want from me i ain't got nothing we want some information on somebody we think used to work for you know oh well that's different come on back to the office great grad to help well a nice day ain't it sure is yeah i wish i had time to play golf or something like that you know they ought to build a golf course with fuzz lights so people like me with school hours could play the game it's not a bad idea well sit down fellas uh how about a drink let me know thanks you love it okay fellas what can i do for you about a year and a half ago you had a stripper working for you she was called babs they blew that bombshell remember hmm can't say that i do you're in a half ago huh you know well you know i i hire a lot of them names got to work and now or wouldn't you pay a roll record showing well sure fellas i ain't got nothing to hide let's see a year and a half ago and that would be uh october 1950 through january 51 yeah that's right i got the record right here what you do no we i'm not sure she's done anything where you uh think she's about to do something here see you take these follow me buddy with the first name barbara i don't keep any description of the girls this must be something big excuse me boss i gotta call out here for the service oh thanks barbara yes i just climbed up dr kov cashier at the brook brook do you have a family yeah thanks for to ruselli the girl we're looking for held up a drug stolen and killed a cashier what do you know well it don't surprise me too much like i said there are a funny bunch of these strippers well nothing here then clean as a whistle okay pey yes that's all we can do here thanks mr ruselli yeah okay if you don't mind a suggestion i i just got a great idea why don't you check with my booking agent now where is he over on 14th street 743 cherry gold nice guy he knows every sibling town new grotto centers that's also oh yeah nice good friend of mine what kind of talent you do well we're looking for information right now i'm lieutenant guffrey the sergeant cargo police department oh wow we'd like some information on a girl that builds herself is fab the brunette bombshell wow sounds like a stripper yeah that's right he worked the blue grotto about a year and a half ago well it was a big turnover on that kind of an accident that's something of a plow yeah take care right yeah the half ago uh this should be right up in front here i've only been in business this town a little over two years they do tricks thinks it's great size of stages are nice but we couldn't get six eight for an hour on it's one time look at this south washington i had a booking for down in san diego the yellow power she wouldn't go never heard from her said i'm jerry miss millen no bobber can yeah i'm a bad she used to be more than me why we like to get in touch with it was she in purple we think so i hadn't seen it for four or five months not if you got married oh do you know where she lived yeah i guess he still lives in same place he and go had an apartment over on the west side of town but this is the second i got it in my address spoke yeah here it is 1022 west panel in apartment four well thanks miss mcmillan you know she's working i don't think so i don't really know well or uh what's her name now hey make it go the same how'd you car go all right sit down gentlemen thank you is your wife in miss aames no she isn't why you were expecting what's going on here i don't expect this oh how's that well i haven't seen bobber for three months she left me a month after the marriage just up left packed up took the car left what kind of a car it's a forward cope blue yeah well how'd you know what's the matter's bobbing trouble i'm afraid so miss aames what you do we think she held up a drug store kill the cash in what oh she wouldn't you want anything like that looks like she did well she was a little mixed up but she wouldn't want anything like that you know where we can get a hold of it no i don't use the car registered in your name yeah you know the license number yeah i got right here in my key ring it's four z two seven y three may we use your phone please who should i have to get a check on it right but the car is registered to me it won't have her address on the registration well that's all right we'll put out a bulletin on it that car license renewals for last month uh you renew the license i know well she must have renewed it then she may have given a change of address all right i just can't believe that bobber mixed up in something like this once in a while she'd do some funny things but something what do you mean funny mr hain well i don't know one day things be great and then maybe the next day she'd be down on the dumps she never seemed to be in it too well she had a lot i couldn't i don't know i think it made it was me yeah just a second abed yeah there's a new address on it six twenty seven east lucas okay tell rosson to call quine and asha have a meet us there and half an arm they'll find a check with the records and see if there's a one on it uh when would she get these headaches mr hain i don't know in particular time we should get them and she'd take the car and go for a ride when she came back she'd be okay what bobber said did you ever go with her when she did this yeah she wouldn't let me you never know where she was in no well i'm okay mr hain thanks a lot well i should hope you followed her wrong i still don't think bob would do anything like you followed sardar i never could understand some of the things you did but i sure don't think she'd kill anybody i hope she's still here now check with identification there's no record or a one out on us barbara kane or a barbara hain i didn't think the one thing you cover the front asher gets the rear speak now go in car isn't around so keep your eyes open for a blue 1947 fort coup she's a blue net five foot seven and she should come up let her go in all right ladders it was loads read now let's check the girl first exactly the upper crust this is rain yeah what do you want and we're police officers i didn't call you we'd like some information on barbara hain compartment eight what's the matter did you do something you know where she is no did you say go out today i never pay attention to what goes on around here i'm just a manager i ain't no cop well we checked and she isn't in a room we'd like your passkey please what's for you guys are supposed to go in her room what do you want from her what did you do we think she held up a drugstore no freedom if you're with her we think so how about that a criminal living here you get away with much not much but she's shot and killed the cashier oh my goodness wait in my husband he did he never did like her could we have your passkey mrs read please well i just need things like that would be all right wait a second i think she's moved out yeah i got it they uh can't there be any shooting not unless she starts it what are you going to do wait nor a partner hope she comes back oh my goodness i'd stay inside the apartment let's just read just in case there is trouble don't you worry i will all right let's go here oh my goodness wait in my husband here's it okay lock it oh she'll have to use a king's boot okay you take the bathroom i'll start in here well here nice and dirty uh stop to go with it i think we're forgotten yeah what do you want who are you police mrs hain please what do you want from me where were you this morning why what's right of you we have the right where were you this morning i don't get it where were you this morning i went for a ride is anybody with you no nobody was with me what kind of a car did you go for a ride in my car what is this a joke no this isn't a joke mrs hain's when you went for a ride were you in the neighborhood of 23rd and swanson no i went to the beach which beach cypress cove what kind of a car do you drive forward what year 1947 what model coupe color blue what's all this about anything did you need anybody at the beach no i don't have to put up with this one from here you drove straight to cypress cove yes did you go out swatham yes if you think i'm gonna put up with your you said a little while ago that you weren't in the neighborhood of 23rd and swatham i got soaked to the beach and went out swatham did you stop anywhere all the way no you didn't stop on a drug store no i told you i didn't stop anymore you said you were in the neighborhood of 23rd and swatham too your car would seem leaving the safety drugstore 23rd and swatham somebody made a mistake i'm not any trouble i don't i i haven't done anything okay have it your way let's go down to the station let's go the station of robbery and murder but you must be off your walker you mean i'm under arrest that's right you're under arrest get the blue grotto mrs hain no much the blue grotto well you have any entertainment business i was a dancer for a while this is crazy what are you guys after why don't you tell us what you really did today leave me alone i don't steal while i get a headache i didn't do anything so let me go home well if you have a lot of headaches maybe you ought to go see a doctor well then is this the woman you saw in the store this morning yeah yeah that's her all right you want to tell us about it now with the things okay all right and i did it got the money get a stenographer coin