Hello people of the internet, my name is Johnny and welcome back to another reaction video and it feels so nice to be back at the desk, sinned down with you guys reacting to some videos and today I'm going to be reacting to Darko's explanation of Five Nights at Freddy's VR Help Wanted which if you have not seen my playthrough of the game I highly recommend you go see it. It is super super cool and I love that game's bits. So I don't know what else to say here. Well I guess while I'm here I might as well announce that I am currently walking on a Help Wanted theory of my own. It's gonna take a while to make because I'm still writing the script at the moment and then after that I gotta record, I gotta make the video and then I gotta post it so it won't be up soon but hopefully it'll you know I'm trying to get it done as fast as I can because yeah loads of people are just releasing their theories so I want to try and get mine out there as well before Scott comes and confirms some things or if he denies some things which by the way I just realized nope this way I have not put the boxes back up. You may be wondering why the monopoly boxes aren't there that's because I actually had to use them to make my tripod high enough so you guys can see my face during the Help Wanted videos they're actually like my tripod is on my desk and on the desk is all the boxes and on the boxes are the tripod because I had to make it tall enough so you guys could see my face while I'm standing up so that's why they're not there they will be back soon but once you know I'm just right now I gotta make sure am I done with Help Wanted which is no the answer is no because I still have to get all of the achievements and the rest of the stuff in the prize counter and then I have a few other ideas but for now I'm just gonna leave it at that reacting to Darko's explanation of Help Wanted I've got a theory of my own I'm currently walking on and we are not done with Help Wanted but we have gotten the ending so if you haven't seen the ending you should probably go watch a video on it because I'm sure that Darko's video is going to explain it and it's gonna contain lots of spoilers however this video is also 50 minutes long which is a lot longer than what I thought it was gonna be I thought it was gonna be like 20 minutes at the most it's actually more than double that so let's not waste any more time and let's react to Darko's explanation of Five Nights at Freddy's VR Help Wanted here we go sup man feels so good to watch Darko oh he made it on his break potentially a theory video because I don't really do those because I never want to give you guys a straight point uh with Five Nights at Freddy's especially this one by the way because things get really complicated oh my god yes ideas for you to think about to make so complicated judgment on the tapes the ending everything fairly obvious there are some things that you can decide what you think I'm gonna talk about the tapes and I'm gonna talk talk about the backstory of the game and let's just go with it okay oh yeah I'm holding my microphone because I am on holiday and it's not gonna be like a normal video so you'll probably hear background noise obviously I'm in a different atmosphere different room um but yeah so I could never record on vacations Scott put some key little details hidden in the website so Scott always does this but for this game there was a really important ones that now make sense remember Jeremy don't listen to the lies we let some with him and remember Jeremy we now know who Jeremy is in the game again I'm gonna talk about it but we let something inside again you will is now explained and I'll talk about my nose but I'll talk about it in a minute as soon as we start the game hey he's got footage for it as well that's awesome we've hand unit aka basically the commentator of the game the reason why this game was created was to make a laugh and a gag about all of the issues that happen with freddy fuzzbaer's pizzeria okay all the back history there's the closing of the first one animatronics being possessed all of this was just rumors it was all lies don't don't listen to those hey um because you shouldn't listen to them because it was just a joke you know they're just rumors so that's why we've made this game because it's funny and you know you can experience all those fake rumors and lies in this virtual reality game I just realized this I know I'm not supposed to really give my opinion in this video but I just realized in fnaf2 phone guy mentions rumors and speculations I wonder if that was put in by scott in this universe to hint towards the motors and all that stuff because if so and who knows maybe this is a coincidence but if so then he has planned this about the games existing in the universe at least in the same universe for years what November 2014 is when fnaf2 came out and if he truly did have that idea all the way back then he has been planning that for over four years which is just crazy I think we can make some money too and advertise freddy fuzzbaer's pizzeria and get some merch money that's basically why they did it guys so fuzzbaer entertainment made this virtual reality game I bought much to make money but to cover up all of the history to do with freddy fuzzbaer's pizzeria because all of these bad rumors and negative rumors about the company are obviously going to affect the company let's say that donald's for example I shouldn't be laughing but that that face though obviously people are going to be talking about it all over the world and some people are not going to go again and buy stuff from McDonald's kind of what happened with them the moon man situation I guess but we all know it's just a lie the biggest thing that fuzzbaer entertainment say it's not true unless there's any evidence that's been found and you know it's been accepted as evidence to go against fuzzbaer entertainment the thing is about all of this in the past history guys is that there's never been enough evidence to convict fuzzbaer entertainment of doing all this bad stuff that's what they use it for you know to say guys there wasn't enough evidence to say this about us just to forget it was just bad rumors they are a very sneaky company I don't want a little bit more later on with that because it does get interesting a fuzzbaer entertainment have tried to do this cover up before but it failed and we'll talk about that in a minute with the tapes so fuzzbaer entertainment made these levels at minigames all fictional according to them so you can experience the rumors a very interesting quote that hand unit says is accidental digital consciousness transference consciousness your mind gets transferred into the game or reverse so something in the game gets transferred into your okay remember that so let's go back I know what it's talking about but I'm gonna let him explain it who made the game in the first place the game was made by silver parasol games remember I remember seeing this stuff all over reddit and I was super confused because at the time I thought it was and remember I was trying to stay away from spoils and all that stuff because I wanted to experience the game myself I thought it was another game company that actually worked on IRL help wanted like lions gate and steel wool studios but apparently and doc was gonna explain it this was a made-up game company to exist in the fnaf universe that was going to make this game but it's very complicated doc is going to explain it I don't know why I'm trying to explain it myself but at the start when you open up the game and you see silver parasol that's a fake company in real life that company doesn't exist in the real world it exists in the law of the game in the freddy fazbear universe silver parasol games was the first people to come on board and make this game interestingly as well guys is that scott had a plan to make a website this he said on reddit and scott changed his mind about it what i'm trying to say is that this game is fictional and it's really really cool that they decided to do that like actually say that silver parasol made the game and scott was actually gonna make a website to go into it a little bit more this is where a type girl comes in type girl works for silver parasol guys jeremy works for silver parasol games and dial is the boss of silver parasol games okay he seems to be the main guy so was that tanya's work for him and fazbear entertainment as tanya tape girl to cover up the rumors of the past okay pretty straightforward now guys when i talk about the types i'm actually gonna talk about in my own order okay at the start of the game we collect tapes and if you flip the nightmare box you get to listen to those tapes in a secret tape room that she created she created this tape room and she says that the tapes are not in order hello can you hear me whoa what is that background that's awesome this room isn't a mistake i had to hide these logs away from the core gameplay files in a place that only a beta tester would look and in a place where the files could be protected i just really really hope that the next development team finds this before the game is released to the public too late game is some kind of malicious code in it that we haven't been able to fully contain or even understand for that matter we're over budget and out of time but that's not the reason that we're shutting down listen i have to keep this short so the file size will be small enough to fly under the radar there are more they may not be in order so i've done a little bit of listening and tried to put them in a little bit of a timeline for you guys okay so first bearing to something i want to try to do myself to make the VR game i wanted to come up with because at the end of the day guys they're in trouble right now if you think about it we've got all these rumors going on about the past all the past rumors coming into place now and they have to make this game as quick as possible or they're gonna just go bankrupt and collapse okay and obviously the boss of fuzzbear entertainment doesn't want that to happen and we don't know who the boss is at the moment because we're pretty confident that this game is set after five nights at freddy's seat so william afton is dead henry's dead okay and henry used to be the owner um we think of fuzzbear entertainment but now he's dead so all of the spirits are dead now it's over okay everybody's dead but it's like fuzzbear entertainment is still not finished okay even though henry has died and everything's gone it seems like somebody has took over fuzzbear entertainment to try and reclaim it back and try and build it back up again and try and get rid of all the past rumors and start and they want it done quickly they want the speed for the game to come out so people just forget about the past a fresh new start and to get lots of money okay so to speed up the process they actually give silver parasol games some old database chips um that they found they were old like type girl said the drawers have been emptied out someone was here i don't think it was friend cleaning either no there was plastic on the floor yeah the mask is gone definitely here during the night it had to have been the client i mean they sent us that stuff in the first place with no explanation told us to scan it said it would expedite the process so we wouldn't need to program any pathfinding ourselves it was a budget thing i guess it was just junk circuit fours and things like that look pretty old somehow though there was usable code on some of it it seemed to take hold by itself things started changing but then he started appearing he said these circuit boards are really important guys because fuzzbear entertainment sent them to silver parasol to speed up the process of the game okay because they could scan the circuit boards which had data on apparently that could be infused with the game to make the experience work so let's say there was a circuit board on the finaf one blueprints of the animatronics or blueprints of the building and it speeds up the process because they can scan the the chips and everything and it's then transferred into the game it's pretty simple and fictional but you get the idea um it's remember guys this is like not real life okay it's sci-fi so they scan the chips and then that data is transferred to the game and it speeds up the process of the game so they don't have to make things because it's already there that would be nice in real life though they actually make a big mistake so scanning the circuit boards actually works but type girl says that something else got inside it's like the game drew it in it's like the circuit boards drew itself into the game and that was obviously glitch trap or hair or spring bonnie however you want to call him but i'm gonna call him glitch trap for now so glitch trap has got himself into the game now like a virus he's inside the game and we know who glitch trap is obviously yeah glitch trap is william afton okay but what i'm saying is is it the spirit of william afton or is it like a darkness of william afton's past okay so william afton is now dead we know that okay he got burnt alive and that leads to ultimate custom night when he's in hell and he's getting tortured by the spirits constantly for eternity is it that william afton spirit has come back and he's in the game now or is it like i'm gonna try and reference something to you guys kind of like harry potter okay so the horcrux is so voldemort splits his soul into different objects and i don't know it seems like a bit of a stretch inside an object like tom riddle's diary had a part of voldemort inside it but it was its own entity okay it wasn't voldemort it wasn't the real voldemort it was just like a part of his past it could be something like that where the chip database had a part of william afton's past like a dark entity that has been transferred into the game another reference could be star wars okay so dark vaders helmet and anakin skywalker turns to the light side he's now a good spirit but the darkness is still inside dark vaders helmet you know do you know what i mean so my question is now does this take place after or before custom night and i get what uh doc was trying to reference here is that afton may have like split some of his soul and some of it went to custom night and some of it may have gone over to help wanted but i don't know i feel like that seemed like a bit of a stretch and would honestly come out of nowhere because we haven't really seen that at all we've seen stuff involving souls and melting them together in the fourth closet and closet and all that stuff but i feel like splitting souls across different games i don't know how i feel about that in the finance universe honestly i feel like it would just come out of nowhere so but again that is just my opinion obviously um doc has his opinion i have my opinion i'm totally fine with his opinion i think it's very interesting but i just don't i feel like it just would come out of nowhere honestly so again i'm not hating on lewis but i am allowed to have my own opinions so even though william afton spirit has gone there could still be a dark entity inside the database or it could be william afton spirit but we don't know that yet and to notice that something's wrong with the game now was jeremy jeremy was the first tester of five nights of freddy's help wanted okay jeremy was the first tester in silver parasol games to test the game and it seems like it wasn't called finafiar help wanted in in the real world in this game law it was the freddy fuzzbear virtual experience so jeremy's testing the game he notices something's there he warns the company about this he tells dale about it like okay something's wrong here something's been transferred into the game and it's weird it doesn't belong in the game we need to stop we need to get rid of it or we need to stop dale doesn't listen to him yeah and he can't he demands unfortunately it's pretty hard you know would you believe jeremy i don't know it's i'd have to see it for myself honestly you're making a game and somebody comes over and says um there's something that's been transferred in the game we need to stop development now what would your reaction be so nobody listens to jeremy and he keeps testing the game and then things get more and more more and more more more more more worse for jeremy a lot worse for him um so he keeps testing the game and it seems like he starts to go insane tight girl describes going through um the workplace in the morning doesn't think anybody's there the supply rooms lights are on i came in early that morning no one else was there at least that's what i thought the supply room was lit i didn't even notice me standing in the testing room as i walked past the supply room was so bright glowing from all the way down the hall she walks past the testing room and jeremy's there inside um talking to somebody when nobody else is in the room so obviously jeremy is interacting with glitch trap now yeah talking with him started to talk which again if you remember at the start of the video i talk about digital consciousness about to happen and that seems to be happening with jeremy now so after day's gone by um when type girl witnesses what's happened uh nothing bad so far uh jeremy again tries to warn dial for about an hour in his office constantly asking him to stop development something's wrong here now jeremy's pale it looks like he hasn't eaten in days something is really probably hasn't he talks about nightmares he's been having at home real real nightmares not like oh hey fusion um i've had a nightmare last night um of a clown chasing me real nightmares where jeremy describes everything what's happened in that nightmare terrified of what's happened like they were real and that's completely different than a dream jeremy complained of nightmares when he came in this morning he wasn't talking about it like someone telling a friend about his dreams though he was pale looked like he hadn't eaten in days he spent an hour talking in dale's office but it didn't look like he was given much sympathy when he came out he went directly back to the testing room he doesn't even jump anymore nothing scares him he just stands there like he's talking to someone he's been in there sometimes he walks from side to side so long we were told to leave him alone i knew i was in line to do the testing next they'd been prepping me for it i guess they knew that jeremy would need to be replaced soon again dale doesn't listen and demands him to carry on testing with the guy and now jeremy's completely gone okay he doesn't get jumped scared anymore by the jump scares he's just a completely dead person but still he's still talking to glitch trap now could still talking to him and communicating with glitch trap so again type girl goes back in the morning just like a normal day and again the supply closet is there still um with the lights on again and while she's walking down she notices a halloween mask on the floor with like black ink attached to it there was something that looked like a halloween mask that i was a bit confused about i didn't understand ink must have spilled it was only then that i heard a shuffle from the testing room and realized jeremy must be there i went back and peered in the window i couldn't see his face he had the visor covering his head he had ink spilled on himself as well the front of his shirt looked black in the dark one i'm guessing it's not ink but i don't think he knew i was there we don't know what this blank black ink is um but again she goes to the testing room this time she sees jeremy with the vr heads head set on but again with black ink all across his chest it was dark so we don't know what this ink is because it's dark it could have been blood it could have literally been ink it could have been remnant it could have been anything um but i don't think i was there i'm assuming guys that it was blood um in the dark room so jeremy's bleeding um and a very specific thing that type girl talks about is a paper guillotine have you ever heard of a guillotine paper slicer it sounds made up i've got one of those piece of office equipment i didn't even know we had one in the supply room i guess the more common at businesses that do a lot of graphic design work i remember seeing one when i was still in school and even then i knew how dangerous it looked i was always afraid of me showing up that seems so silly now jeremy used to do design work i guess that's how he knew it was there this paper guillotine was in the supply closet interestingly the supply closet lights were on okay you get in the idea she also mentions that jeremy uh was a design person who worked with guillotines plenty of times and she says oh i guess that's why jeremy knew where it was or i guess that's why jeremy used it the really really interesting part in the guillotine guys and again it seems to be what jeremy used for something and we're thinking a little bit laggy is bleeding and because he used it on himself because of glitch trap so when she's talking about the guillotine is this me am i laggy when she's talking about the guillotine she says jeremy knew where it was that's why jeremy knew where it was so it's clearly showing that type girl knew what happened to jeremy that jeremy used the guillotine for something okay in the future so because of all this going on there we go it's back um you know seeing how jeremy is they try and find a way to fire him you can always tell him when a company is getting ready to fire someone they start giving out written warnings for silly things making sure to build a paper trail and make a case for firing things that normally no one would care about suddenly become grave offenses all worthy of being written and documented i guess it works because it also encourages a person to quit rather than be scrutinized so heavily i think jeremy was too far gone to consider that option though the thing about it is that i don't think they were going to fire him because of anything he was doing wrong they just knew he'd seen something they needed to discredit him he was trying to tell them about um how companies try and find little details about the worker you know oh they smell oh he was foul older odor and tampering with him electronics all those little tiny points build up and then i've got a case to say well you've done this and this and this and this you're fired and that's what she describes okay but she says jeremy is too far gone to quit them because she said oh but he can just quit usually when that happens i just quit instead of getting the backlash from you know being fired too into it jeremy is too far gone now because jeremy is too far insane literally jeremy is too far gone to quit himself because his his mind's just completely gone now because of glitch bonny slowly possessing in slowly to control so after this type girl describes um dial on the phone about a lawsuit okay now this is where we kind of know what happened to jeremy so type girl says something very very gotta remember some of these tapes it could have been any lawsuit okay absolutely anything but this specific detail tells us that the lawsuit is because of what happened to jeremy i heard a pretty heated conversation this morning between dale our manager and someone else on the line it really feels like this project is in trouble and no small part because of the lawsuit i'm sure there has to be a lawsuit there's no way there isn't it happened in this building just a few doors down for me i think it's something jeremy tried to tell us something was wrong but as a dev team we all just saw it as a challenge to find the problem wasn't fixed there's something wrong i have to go at oh no there has to be a lawsuit it happened a few doors from my office obvious okay something happened in that workplace and we know something happened because of what she's been telling us about jeremy it's either guys that jeremy did get fired and is doing a lawsuit against dale because of the abuse of what he's gone through or he's died just thought of something here and i know i i always keep involving myself in this conversation but i feel like as these things come to me it's important to address them here's my my mini theory i guess the reason why the the main protagonist in fnaf 2 is named jeremy is to link him it's to link the jeremy that worked in parallel games with these make-believe tales that are the games themselves so then jeremy will seem to be wrapped up in all of this you know fantasy and sci-fi uh video game franchise about the real events that people will think oh it was just jeremy he's an insane person or something like that and they won't think of oh the company and or the game is weird and creepy and all that stuff it's jeremy specifically that's that's my little my small little theory one of the two but we doubt now what happened okay another idea is that jeremy's mind has been transferred into the game and the person who is in the prison room could be jeremy trapped yes the secret ending at the end it seems pretty obvious guys that he died okay all these quotes remember jeremy in the game it says remember jeremy it seems obvious that jeremy to remember the original him before he got he killed himself okay so who driven into insanity glitch trap was trying to possess jeremy he won he beat glitch trap and he managed to you know stop him that would explain why glitch trap is still in the game when we play it because if he had gone through to jeremy then he wouldn't be at the game he would have left like tape girl says glitch trap glitch trap wants to escape the game through the person plugged in so i think that is what it is jeremy stopped the process before it was fully complete and that's why we still see glitch trap in the game a little bit he stopped glitch trap possessing him by killing himself okay that was the only thing he could do he was too far gone and it's it was the last resort for jeremy and we know that glitch trap didn't possess fully possess him and win because he's still in the game when we're in the game that's exactly what i said so he obviously look at me guys i can be a few missed um either because jeremy was too strong willed and then he got fired and or he got killed and it it is guys he has he's he's killed himself okay i know it's a really really deep uh thing to talk about especially for finnaf which is all about killing someone actually in the game well i guess we could kind of say that henry killed himself but henry used baby to kill himself so um that's still suicide i guess but i some people don't really count it as that but yeah it's even for finnaf this is a pretty dark subject a character literally killing themselves so pretty dark pretty gruesome kind of gory but that's that's how you tell the story you got to make it interesting did um if he did get fired type girl wouldn't have said it happened a few doors next to me he killed himself in the testing room to stop glitch trap possessing him that's why glitch trap is still in the game because he hasn't possessed somebody you right a little bit later on because that does happen in the game i've showed you guys what happens when glitch trap tries to merge with us so because of this law is going on silver parasol games silver parasol they've had enough what happened to jeremy has put a stop to their development and they want to get rid of the game as quickly as possible and they pass it on selling it to another company for them to work on finish scott games what happens guys for a start in the game we are playing as a beta test staff for this other company okay that's what happens i'll go into more detail oh that may be a bit clever maybe that's why some things in the game aren't in there yet i know scott's made a post about showtime and how that's not going to be implemented but he did say that he has um an idea that he wants to use that button for and also the button on the bottom of the exotic butters basket maybe that's why they're not in the game yet is because we are literally as the player iol are playing what is supposed to be a beta version of a game maybe that maybe that's why again small mini theories tell i want to keep focusing on this bit but before that happens type girl still has a few days left to continue the work of what jeremy was doing so they're selling the they're selling the game to another company but they have to look like everything's fine so type girl gets asked by dale to test the game for a few more days to look like everything's fine everything's under control i was told i had three days to finish jeremy's work but i know it's just passing the time they don't really expect me to do anything it's just to keep up appearances until the buyout is complete we have to look like we have to there's another potential development studio that wants to pick up from here wonder who that is to convince my better judgment i'm going to do my best to see what's here make notes of it and try to isolate where this thing is hiding at least then the next person that does this will have a chance of getting rid of it now because of what fazbear entertainment did by sending them a bunch of data by his circuit boards from the past they actually did a boo boo okay it's a really bad thing not only they did an oopsie the virus glitch trap into the game they also had hidden emails leaked which type girl found out about okay and this is where things go really deep and crazy they lied to us they lied to all of us they told us that the whole point of this vr game was to undo the bad pr done by a rogue indie game developer who supposedly made up a bunch of crazy stories that tarnish the brand but that's not true at all in their haste to develop this vr game and clear their name they sent us some things they don't think they intended us to see such as a hard drive containing emails between fazbear entertainment and a certain indie developer fazbear entertainment hired the game developer those indie games were designed to conceal and make light of what happened this isn't just like how you can hear taco in the background like gasping you can tell he took this straight from his recording because you can just hear him going oh it's an elaborate cover-up a campaign to discredit everything so we've talked about fazbear entertainment trying to make a vr game to cover up all the past they've done this before guys with an indie developer who made a bunch of games who could that be the story of five nights at freddy's okay an indie developer that's really interesting right i'm again i'm not going to go into too much like detail because it's really really confusing because we could say that scott so fazbear entertainment paid for an indie developer in the past to make a game about the stories just like they're done now but those games actually made things a lot more worse okay so these games are about the murders and all the back story and all the law okay about the story but that actually made fazbear entertainment a lot worse because people played those games and thought oh we need to ask questions about this fazbear entertainment wanted to just wait a second the back story it was it's just all fun it's all fake rumors don't worry it's a game but people wanted to know more about this and investigations started to come to fazbear entertainment so they stopped it they completely stopped the indie developer making the games because people you know investigated now what was going on and the fnaf vr game was to discredit everything now so they followed the indie developer and now they're making a vr game about the games as well that it was all game section it was all just for fun it was all fake rumors they were all lies okay and they lied at the start they say oh this indie developer is crazy these were all lies don't worry about him don't worry about this indie developer play this game and you'll have a lot of fun and it's all fake don't worry do you know what i mean so fazbear entertainment are pretty indecisive of what they want to do with that with their business so yeah guys at first this is all after everything by the looks of things so after f6 definitely everything pretty sure it's all it's all alive don't worry let's hire an indie developer to make some games about all this let's get some money as well at the same time you know people aren't going to overreact to it they're just games but people do just it's just game so they lose business so they get rid of the indie developer say he's a lawyer we didn't pay him to make these he's just a lawyer this is all fake and then they cover up everything we'll try to with the vr game okay and type girl finds out he says it was all a lie it's all lies we've been deceived here okay i know it's complicated by the way don't worry but i'll explain like i'm five summary at the end so now type girl has three days to just play the game and just see what happens okay remember at this point type girl still hasn't seen glitch trap anywhere okay she does when she first starts testing the game type girl is playing five nights at freddy's one and she sees glitch trap down the hallway i saw it for the first time today there was a character i could make out who it was standing at the end of the hall i thought it was just bugged out so i made a note of it and kept playing but then i was looking in the window and not like chica or bonnie would it was like it was actually looking in the window seeing what i was doing that's kind of what they do though she describes it as not as bonnie is chica doesn't look like bonnie and chica to me he's just staring at me watching me this this shouldn't be in the game and that's exactly the character what jeremy was talking about and she instantly knew that's it that's what i need to get rid of that's the virus that's glitch trap that's what killed jeremy i need to sort this out and get rid of him as soon as possible and she tries to she makes the logs okay i'm pretty sure type girl knew she didn't have enough time to get rid of this creature i think so too man she only had a few days but she knew that when the game is sent to the other company the beta tester of that other company us will kill it for her okay or at least hide it or just try to do something because she hasn't got enough time here so she makes these tapes for us she starts off you know talking about what's been going on about the story about her company silver parasol games and what happened to jeremy while doing that she had to make the logs hidden enough for nobody else to see what's going on okay so when dale's looking through the game to see if everything's fine she wanted to keep the logs hidden so he couldn't see or anybody could see what was going on so she made the logs hidden and safe so small enough so they go under the radar if you were a virus in a game and you felt vulnerable would you go into the safest part of the game files you would okay that's exactly what glitch trap does okay glitch trap transfers himself from the game into the log files in the game that she has created and she says that he attached it to the tapes okay and she knew type girl's a smart girl okay today was my last day of beta testing and the anomaly that i've been seeing is nowhere to be found but after inspecting some of the files it seems that it's attached itself to these logs my logs that can't be an accident so now i have to make a choice do i leave these logs here for you to find or do i try to purge this thing myself by destroying the logs i've chosen the ladder she knew straight away what glitch trap did it they're hidden the safe he's fine okay but that actually went to her advantage now and she simply had the idea to delete the logs oh he's in the he's in the logs now i can delete them sadly she couldn't do that she couldn't delete the logs because she made the logs so he didn't and protected that she couldn't do it herself she can't even do it herself to store these logs apart from the game i effectively gave this thing a safe place to hide itself it's in here now i may not be able to delete it but i might be able to do something else now that it's attached itself but what she could do guys was split apart the log files okay instead of just one file that's why he's all glitchy she split the file into 16 parts i ran a fragmentation program on the area of memory that was storing these logs for you i effectively broke the files into pieces and broke the anomaly along with it that means that you won't have my warnings to guide you but hopefully it also means that this anomaly this virus or whatever it is will remain broken and unable to do more damage 16 tiny little pieces of glitch trap and now in the game okay we're safe glitch truck can't do anything now okay glitch trap is now split apart just like the horcruxies guys okay here we go again ah here we go again that's why again i'm thinking of these things as i go along and i'm sorry i interrupt so much but again they're just kind of come to my mind and i have to say them that's why when we get all the logs um he finally appears behind the desk reaches out his hand and then we have the option of fuser with him see it all starts to make sense once you really think about it and have an expert such as louis he would help you feel it i happen to jeremy is never gonna happen now because glitch trap is completely destroyed basically you try and possess somebody when you've only got a no basically that's basically it guys okay just see a floating hand type girl did okay the thing is guys we collected the types yep what happened when we collected each type see i told you guys i'm i'm i'm a true theorist stronger more visible and more powerful we actually rebuild glitch trap to his final form and what does he try to do when we've got all the tapes he tries to possess us he tries to again we're straight from his videos we actually fail to flip the switch and kill him which i'll talk about in a minute we turn into glitch trap okay we fuse with him and we look at our hands and we've got glitch trap hand glitch traps hands and that's because he's took control of us now it's a metaphor obviously we're not possessed by glitch trap now but in the game law if that person in the game law if that happened to them they'd be possessed okay so when i failed to kill glitch trap and i was on stage then i would now be possessed by glitch trap right now okay in my video you would have saw me being possessed by glitch trap okay glitch trap won i would have no really weird sight and he could have done whatever he wanted at that point okay so really interesting um he tries to like on stage consuming us and then we hear him okay we lost but that obviously doesn't happen because type girl tells us a way to kill him this the last type that we get to get to that point tells us a way to kill him yeah there is a way to kill it it wants to that's a really cool background yep that is then use the disconnect switch that i've embedded by the main stage let it approach you let it begin to merge with you play the music and flip the switch that will cause a hard restart of the game and flush the memory effectively killing it i hope i don't know when it will come for you and then we go into a door we play the music aka the stage and a metronic performance button and we flip the switch and press the reset button and that gets rid of him and that's what we do we get rid of him it seems like there's no over ending to this game people have gone into the game files and everything and it there's no over ending okay at that point guys glitch trap glitch trap has been erased and he's been turned into a plushie the plushie can't do anything okay the plushie is a plushie in the game can't kill us it can't harm us that's it glitch trap has been deleted from the game and what's replaced him is a spring bonnie plushie okay and that's basically talk about when we actually kill him that we're in that room and which i'm really confused about by the way yeah i can't explain myself really no clue have many interpretations of that little cut scene i think the thing to really take away actually you can see it right here is the scratch marks and all like the hand prints on it we were clearly trying to escape this place um what this place says i have no clue um but who knows matpat is currently walking out of theory about it maybe he'll find out what it means because you know he's freaking matpat he's got to answer everything smaller shown gaming but yeah we're obviously trying to get out of here it spring trap shusses shushes us and then goes into the darkness we could be the player at that point us in that room and we're in a locked room guys okay and it looks like we're on the inside because you can clearly see on the wall there's hand scrape marks on the wall like other people have been trapped there before and he opens it tells us to shush and then walks away i really don't feel like we we are that person okay i feel like again it's another past experience when somebody's memory uh maybe jeremy uh maybe one of the past children like i said the game's been scanned um with old chips and old memories and old data okay that could have just been another experience this could even be the safe one who knows the whole mini games are just scanned experiences from chipboards and that pizza party game where we get a lord by him is just an experience okay um hand unit says when we stuffed in a freddy seat on stage that that's the end of the game that was the last experience it was just all a bit of fun that was designed to be in the game as a rumor experience something that we can like play and be entertained and scared by it was just a mini game but i don't think it was meant to be the way it is that mini game yes i think that mini game was intentional but what's interesting is that glitch trap actually exits that mini game and he's dancing around yeah you know the party room turning in so it does seem like um glitch trap has got more control of this game than any of the other characters so we can actually get out the mini game and dance around and stuff it's pretty complicated basically um but yeah he's a virus at the end of the day he can do what he wants so yeah that pizza party game was just an experience like all of the other ones okay um i'm not going to talk too much about it because it's what the rumors are you get lord by um spring bonnie the gut the spring bonnie costume and a kid gets murdered and stuffed into a freddy suit those were the rumors from the past games rumors we know though we know that actually happened remember that that did legit happen um but for fazbear entertainment are obviously trying to cover it up it's actually a pretty simple story if you get rid of all the complicated parts like the the safe room prison thing and some other stuff like the ending it would have been a really nice ending if we actually see glitch trap die that would have been awesome oh my god confused here because we sport in a safe room and then we leave them leave the prison room and then he's as a plushy it would have been that's why i was so confused in my playthrough explode or you know we see him in pain and you know glitch you know snap fade away that's what i would want to see because i still don't know if he's dead or not and i don't think many of you guys do either because we haven't seen him die but i got no clue it's turning to a glitchy spring bonnie plushy and that's it so i actually don't think the ending's done yet i think steel wall they are updating it to dlc in the future oh my god i'm gonna buy that thing right away continues the story what's gonna happen okay i don't think i don't think he's dead yet i still think there's some form of him in the game maybe like crushed inside that bonnie plushy and we've got to find a way to destroy it in the future for future updates and that's basically here's my thoughts um about the bonnie plushy i know we're almost done and i'm still talking staying in there um i think the reason why the spring bonnie plushy even exists is we still have all the tapes like those aren't destroyed and because glist trap is linked to the tapes and because they're still there he is still present in the game but because we've you know rebooted the game flip the switch and the music and all that stuff he doesn't he's not as powerful as he used to be so he's gone but since he's still attached to the tapes he's still there but because he's lost basically all of his power he is condensed down into the spring bonnie plushy it's kind of what doc was saying um but just adding in adding in the tapes because i do think the tapes and glitch trap are connected so much they really are connected so much because ever since the the very start of the game when we human beings in real life boot up help wanted and we get our first tape he is he's there he's already there that's because he was linked to it in the past before we humans were able to play help wanted so ever since we have been able to play help wanted he's been there and since the tapes are still there at the very end a little bit of glitch trap is also still remaining some of our interesting questions for you guys to think about before i end it is if tape girl wanted the tapes to be hidden why are they around the location very easily to pick up you see one you pick it up why are they not hidden they're not hidden guys they're all over the game she could have just put them in a folder somewhere never to be seen by the player it's interesting how she didn't want people to get the tapes to put him back together but the same time the tapes around the location that i can't answer i think guys my opinion on that is that glitch trap is in the tape files and i think glitch trap intentionally put those tapes around that's that's not bad i like that i do like that for him to possess us because you know he gets his final form he's back together that makes sense i like that he wins but obviously that doesn't happen so i'm going to do one final summary in detail and explain i can't pay attention to summarize cornell notes so you guys just get a basic idea on what this story's about okay this game takes place after five nights at freddy's six when all of the animatronics and spring trap and everybody's dead including henry everything's gone there's no more is what we thought fazbear entertainment is still a business and it's still active somebody's still we're in the company they want to keep the company running now as a fresh new start probably brand new fresh start everybody's gone henry's gone it's over with let's start the company again let's hire an indie developer to make a bunch of games about what's happened that goes wrong people get curious what's happened in the past why were the kids murdered are these actually true or is it a game it adds a negative issue for fazbear entertainment to deal with and the business starts to struggle really really bad they panic so they decide to get a vr game made by silver parasol games to discredit everything including those past games and lie and say this indie developer is a liar nothing happened none of it's true and then the vr game is made to cover that all or because the business is failing really really bad now and it's best go bankrupt they decide to speed up the process for silver parasol games by sending them the data chips that they've found in the old locations and stuff like that and and they give them the data chips and the company can easily scan the data chips to speed up the process because they have lots of they have the animatronic blueprints the location blueprints like memories of the locations all that jazz or in the chips to be then transferred into the game to speed things up a lot faster but doing that actually reveals what i just said about the company hiring an indie developer to make these games beforehand and the vr game was made to discredit everything but they also had the virus the negativity virus the darkness of glitch trap aka William Afton whether it's William Afton's full spirit or just a dark piece of him it's William Afton's virus inside the game now the virus tries to communicate with the first tester of the game which was Jeremy he succeeds in doing that over time and making him you know crazy doing weird things around the company been wearing these headphones for a long time masks and all that jazz but eventually glitch trap fails and Jeremy kills himself because he's too far gone glitch traps about to possess him and do some really bad things in the real world in this lore okay imagine the things what glitch trap would do well possessing somebody glitch trap needs to get out to escape the game and do more bad things this is like this is probably worse than William after this is like the virus the the darkest part of William Afton in full form now imagine what he would do around the world just start killing people and killing kids you know so it Jeremy does not want that to happen start i think you mean continue he doesn't actually kill um glitch trap by doing that though glitch trap is still in the game type girl finds out about this tries to kill it but fails to do so makes the logs glitch trap goes into the logs because it's a safe place because it's hidden and it's safe and it can't be removed from the game now but instead that's actually type girl's advantage because she fragments the log files into 16 different pieces splitting glitch trap i gotta go shut up my dogs oh my god we have less than two minutes left they can't just be quiet for two more minutes splitting glitch trap apart so he can't do anything anymore however when the game is sent to this other company is what we are now we're the bait to test her in yay yay us we bring him back to his full form he tries to possess us he fails in doing so because type girl tells us how to kill him dirt dirt dirt fish bash Bosch he's dead okay all we think he's dead so far we don't know what's gonna happen next but i do feel like he's not dead yet and we've got to do something else in the future dlc maybe and that's basically a summary of five nights of freddy's vr health wanted yay let me know what you guys think about the full story of this let me know if you agree or disagree and remember what i said about the tapes being around the location did glitch trap purposely that that is a very good question to forge him down there to forge him all together or and do you think this is the ending as well do you think we killed him or do you think we haven't killed him no there's gonna be more i think there's gonna be more let me know what you think about the summary thank you so much for the support it took me a while to do all this research i appreciate it louis this was awesome but i do it for you guys okay lots of love thanks love you and i'll see you all next oh god my camera died i can't hear me though guys love you see you all next time what is that why is it suggesting cute and this has got to be from years and years ago why why happy pride month or pride day pride month i think i think it's the whole month yeah my brother wrote that on there um he was like don't forget to say that like yeah i won't so um gay rights anyways back to help wanted summary obviously this was a long video to react to in this video my video is probably gonna be longer a little bit longer maybe like 10 minutes i'd be surprised if it's over actually i wouldn't be surprised if it's over an hour seeing as how much i'm gonna be talking now and how much i talked during the video but yeah this was awesome honestly louis is such a great guy i've been watching him for a long time now i've always looked up to him i still do clearly and it's just amazing to have him do this while he's on vacation remember that guys louis is on vacation he's spent the last week and a half i guess grinding help wanted and now he's on vacation and he's still doing work for us his community which is just so so nice and he's such a great guy honestly anyways i'm gonna stop stop complimenting him and move on to um the help wanted theories and all that stuff i love this i love this video so much i love it so much it's gonna save me so much research time when i come to write my theories but i am working on theory like i said at the start of the video it's not about i mean it's kind of about that but after watching this video i do think i'm gonna try and create a video of my own explaining my thoughts on what louis was talking about but i'm gonna do it in my way like he said he didn't make that a theory video he used facts and when there wasn't definite answer he he told us like hey there's not an answer yet but in my video because it'll be a theory video it'll be under the name of the finnaf theories that i'm doing i will put out what i think it is of course i'll say you know it doesn't say this but what i think it means is this so like for example what he used at the end why are the tapes scattered around everywhere i of course like i said didn't have an answer but louis's guess is a pretty good one so i'll say that because like well you know louis had a great idea there so it it'll be like that sort of thing it's super dark i should turn on my lights i didn't really help at all but anyways again this video is absolutely incredible i highly highly suggest you watch it um especially if you are confused about the the lore of help wanted which if you're watching this video and hear me hear me say that then you should already know what it's about seeing as hopefully you'll watch the entire thing um and if you didn't what's wrong with you you've kind of just skipped the end who does that you're you're a really weird person yeah this video amazing i cannot wait for more people to make more theories i can't wait to see matpat make his theories about the game because you know he he's freaking matpat you know he knows a lot of stuff about fnaf and now that i'm done with the game and i have seen all the endings i'm gonna go through and watch other people's reactions because it's always fun to watch that i actually um just finished recording a video with my brother of him playing help wanted so hopefully that should be up in the next few days maybe i'm not sure yeah this video i love it so much it had such great evidence and even though it was long i feel so so happy i i feel like it was meant to be longer because doc explained everything in in great detail like honestly he did a fantastic phenomenal job describing all the tapes glitch trap um dale germy all those people it's just it's crazy the amount of research and work he did into this video and i'm so glad glad i'm so glad that he made it and it's just again help wanted such a great game i know i've had loads of talks about in the past in my full playthrough of it you know saying oh it's such a great game you know no wonder why it's the best selling vr game on steam which by the way it is go look it up which is such a great title for fnaf game to hold because again 2014 we had no idea was going to be this big and seeing it now it's really really awesome and i love it so much i love the series so much i love doc so much i love you guys so much scott and lions gate and steel wall amazing people amazing game and i love it so much anyways i think i've rambled on long enough this video um doc those videos link down below go watch it by yourself so you don't have to listen to me talk over it the entire time but hopefully guys did enjoy my reaction to it and look forward to my theories on how wanted coming hopefully pretty soon so thank everyone so much for watching and i will see you all on the flip side goodbye


other's and sisters, please bow your heads, for God saves. Together there would be no mighty river, and just so is every voice important in a river of song. So I would like to have all of you now, blend your voices together, and join us in this grand old hymn. Shall we gather at the river, friends and neighbors? The Lord has spoken to me concerning this gathering of on the roadies and back crats, gathered here since it sang in hallelujah, that he is going to call me home. Obviously you're not ready, if you were ready you wouldn't need these tinman jammies and billies and swaggies singing all this perpetual time. Falling through time, seeking to reach our eternal destination, but it is not an easy journey.  I laid my larynx with the liquors of the Lord of darkness. I sucked down the satanic smokes of sin and I popped the bills and powders of perdition. I gave one morning after a horrible night, I gazed up to the cloud of my pure confusion, and he thought he saw a little angel, a beautiful little angel, like a little bird, that's wingsome angel, sank into my heart and took a look there and I say no to everything, Contra a Lipton's tea experiment gum, the whole shot, friends of angels, you know, when you drink whiskey, you're just doing the work of the devil, and what are the wages going to be this, the wages of sin or death, are you going to wait for wages like, can I say no, or even in these fierce battles for the devil's own eternal damnation, oh would you drink beer for Jesus, drink. Get so high that you stagger into the light of the Lord. I say, friends and neighbors, we would all be far better off if you took all the whiskey, and all the wine, and all the beer, and it's the sin.


Hey, it's Christian the work commander guy. We are back with another episode of digital nomad cribs today You can see behind me the beach of Salulita, Mexico It's about a three hour direct flight from Denver So really not too hard to get to and you're gonna get some of those cool features You get flying halfway around the world, but not far from home So we're gonna give you tour the villa check out the town a little bit And we'll break down how you can completely change your life or business with one small decision Let's get it. My name is Christian and I've gone from a broke pizza delivery driver to making millions of dollars online We're working from 25 countries over six different continents This series digital nomad cribs is about what home looks like when you can work from anywhere in the world Keep watching to see how and where I live while learning more about how to start grow and scale a work from anywhere online Business or visit digital nomad.com to start your work from anywhere journey today Salulita actually started as a coconut palm ranch Where coconut oil was produced, but in the 1940s coconut production declined considerably and the locals resorted to agriculture and fishing In about 1965 the highway started to come through here and tourism began According to local legend, Salulita was formed more than 5,000 years ago by the gods of the waves Who specifically created Salulita as a place where the waves were perfect. Alright, so we're outside our villa You can see there's the hammock where I do my reading before book club and we're just walking up the stairs and in the door So we're gonna come up from there after we park our golf cart We'll show you more about that later and walk through these doors right here So when we come in the house, you're gonna notice it's a big wide open living area It's a little bit weird took me about a day to get used to and after that I loved it So we got a big nice open kitchen here. It just opens right up to this expansive living room And then you've got kind of this 70 style sunken couch over here a little blend of the past in Mexico on one Not a bad place to do some work there not quite as good as the outside, which you'll see in a second But you can see it's nice and big and open in here And what's cool about that is that all these windows open directly to the ocean So when you step out of your bedroom in the morning, you just got that full ocean view now It was up to me had knocked out this whole wall to floor to ceiling glass windows But this is a really good start and we're gonna walk out on that terrace in just a second You gotta watch out. There's a bunch of stone stairs in here and when it's dark you can't really tell what's going on So there's two stairs over there last night. I stepped on in the dark and thought there's only one thing I'm gonna broke my knee cap in there But here's the master bed You know a little small bed We've got two people But it's cool because it kind of opens up to the rest of the house here A nice fan up there because there is no air conditioning, but it gets pretty cool here at night. So not a big deal And then we're just gonna step out into here And so you can see this ocean view from the master bedroom from basically the whole house And we're gonna go to bedroom number two This bedroom is a little smaller really just using it for the suitcase room right now You know, which it's nice to have some space to put your stuff and spread out But there's a little closet in here But the cool thing about this room is if you walk up to the windows, you know It's a little smaller than the master bedroom, but it looks out directly at the ocean so you can see that from here and then there's another bathroom here, which is really cool because You come in here and take a shower As you can see in those shots And when you go to the sink to brush your teeth You're just looking right out the window at the ocean So just a good vibe all around when you wake up in the morning, you can get your coffee and Just walk right out onto this terrace And life is good. I mean, how can you go wrong waking up to the ocean like this? There's something so powerful about hearing the waves When you wake up now we come out here The whole ocean view you can see Sayulita Beach down there. If you go a little bit south Playa de los Muertos It's next to a cemetery. That's why it's called Beach of the Dead Like jungle houses up there on the hill. You can see with little zoom and then we'll come over here and we've got the Coffee slash work slash reading table where you can sit out here in the morning Enjoy some coffee look over the beach and life is good So that's it for the villa pretty affordable to live here. It's not Bali level cheaper anything But we are in Mexico. So a lot cheaper than being in the US. There is amazing Mexican food All over town. So you could just eat for days in Sayulita and still not experience at all Everybody here drives their own golf cart. So let's go jump in the cart and take a look around Being in Sayulita is like being in a completely different world than being back in Denver And all it took was a couple of clicks on my keyboard to book the ticket and a few hours on a flight to be here But I did have to break my routine So it was a good reminder that in life and in business a completely new reality is only a couple of clicks away If you're feeling stuck Or you've been in the same place for too long and you want things to be different but they're not Book a plane ticket join a coaching program or go to a live event It will show you a different world and could be the stepping stone to a new reality One thing is for sure It will show you something different than what you have now And if you don't do something different, you'll keep getting what you've got So that's it for another episode of digital nomad cribs. We're here in Sayulita Mexico if you're thinking about coming to check it out our north of Puerto Vallarta Totally worth the trip highly recommend you get a golf cart like everybody else in town so that you can explore very easily It's a small town so you can walk if you want and it gets pretty hot in the middle of the day And then of course get out to the beach enjoy it. It's all for today. See you on the next one Starting and scaling a business is hard enough as it is. You don't have to do it alone Learn how to use the power of marketing to build a life You don't need a vacation from and join the wfa family at digital nomad.com


Wow, these are cushy. Excellent. Thanks, Laura. As Laura mentioned, my name is Rob Morgus. I'm a policy analyst with the Cyber Security Initiative at New America. I'm joined today by an excellent group of folks. We're going to talk about a few things, Russia, China, amongst them, but then also some allied strategies. And what all of that really means for the US is they potentially look to devise a new international strategy for cyberspace. Directly next to me here is Graham Webster. He is the author of the US-China Weekly Newsletter. If you're even remotely interested in US-China issues, you should be on that newsletter, so catch them after the show and make sure that you jump on that. He's a senior fellow for US-China Relations at Yale Law School, where he focuses on all aspects of the US-China relationship, not just cyber, but they do a lot of track-to stuff with China as well. Next to him is Jackie Kerr. She's a post-doc research fellow at the Center for Global Security Research at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in California. And next to her is Elaine Korzak, who is a cybersecurity fellow at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, formerly known as the Monterey Institute. We're going to start with Jackie. So we've seen Russian actors become more and more assertive via cyberspace in the last couple of decades. How has that practice evolved and how does it comport with strategic doctrine and what you've been seeing coming out of Russia lately? Sure, thanks, Rob. So Russia over the last decade and a half has dramatically changed their approach to cyberspace both domestically and internationally. We've witnessed something of a learning curve and evolution of strategy. And since the second half of the 2000s, you've especially seen a lot of very dramatic changes both internationally and domestically. On the domestic side, Russia in the 2000s stood out as a regime that, despite cracking down on independent media and freedom of expression, seemed to be allowing the internet to flourish and develop without as much censorship as in countries like China, for example. But that has started to change, especially since the 2011-2012 protest movement. But even before that, in the late 2000s, you saw increased aggressive behavior against neighboring countries in cyberspace by Russia. The hacking attacks and DDoS attacks against Estonia, Lithuania, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, and most recently a number of different cyber attacks towards Ukraine and the DNC hack with which we're also familiar. Things to note about these activities are that they vary in type. You don't just see what our thought of as conventional hacking attacks or cyber attacks that are focused on data or networks or computers on physical damage. You also see attacks which are focused more on control and manipulation of information and public discourse. And you see these mixed and matched in a variety of ways. And so you have everything from DDoS attacks on particular groups at particular moments to block access to important information, both domestically and internationally, to spread of viral media, propaganda videos, and things like propagandistic media internationally targeted at particular audiences. This fits with several lines of Russian strategic thought both about domestic policy and political stability and about international security and military doctrine. So on the one hand, you've had since 2000 Russia's information security doctrine, which has continued to evolve and the most recent version of was published this past fall, this past December, which has always been seen as a counterpoint to the American and allies position on cybersecurity internationally because it is defined as part of security, concern and security risk, things which are on the content layer of the internet, including media and it flows of information and in the most recent iteration of the doctrine much more explicitly than previously. And this doctrine is in line with the recent crackdown and redefinition of legal categories to legitimize the blocking of certain categories of information online, the development of a block list and various takedown orders and mechanisms domestically. But it also is in line with the attitude towards internet sovereignty and domestic control over the internet that Russia has espoused abroad. And at the same time, the recent turn to aggression in cyberspace internationally has built on traditions in Russian military doctrine going back to the Cold War era, attitudes towards reflexive control and maskerovka that depend on psychological manipulation and deception. But it's taken to a new level and the 2013 Gerasimov doctrine, an article that was written by the chief of the general staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Valery Gerasimov, develops this and has then been built upon in recent years by other theoreticians. It conceives of cybersecurity in a way where it is part of a broader military doctrine where in order to respond towards fears and concerns of Western encirclement and potential destabilization of the domestic political regime that was exemplified by the Arab Spring and colored revolutions in neighboring states, the idea is to use new means of achieving political and strategic goals that mix non-military and military measures and exploit the vulnerabilities of opponents, sometimes opponents which in terms of traditional military forces are more powerful, finding their societal vulnerabilities, not just their military vulnerabilities, using the information spaces and using cognitive psychological forms of influence. This includes both media and information and it also includes cyber attacks all at the same time sometimes as kinetic attacks and it relies as I said on deception and manipulation of opinion as well as actual use of force and one of the goals being to actually minimize the use of force necessary in order to achieve strategic ends by changing the attitudes and political situation in opponent countries. So we've seen several trends happening at once both domestically and internationally in Russia's posture towards cybersecurity and the internet and it's important to realize to what extent they're intertwined with each other even though we sometimes think of these as separate spheres of activity. Thanks, Jackie, that's great and provides a lot of insight into the way that the Russian state in particular is sort of thinking about the evolving nature of information security, cyber security and sort of the mesh of the two. Graham, you're a China guy and we just heard from Jackie about how Russia is thinking about things. We know that China just released a new strategy. What are some of the things that stick out to you in that both sort of internationally and domestically? Yeah, well thanks. Looking at China's cyberspace strategy both in cyber security and other areas I think it's important to start with a focus on what are the interests that the Chinese government is after here. It's classic, you'll hear it in any domain but there's a concern for domestic stability. There's a concern for national defense and there's a concern for development and the economy which feeds into both of these. I think the first day of this month the Chinese government released a new international strategy for cooperation in cyberspace. I wanna note a couple of interesting things there. It's a long document and very rich but in the military strategic area there's this interesting tension. Without naming any particular state the document seems to call out the United States by saying that the tendency of militarization and deterrence build up in cyberspace is not conducive to international security and strategic mutual trust. We've all seen a focus on deterrence and trying to find workable models of deterrence in the United States. Here you have the Chinese report hoping that we wouldn't do that. But at the same time while saying that militarization and deterrence are not a good idea the document announces that there will be an expedited development of a cyber force quote to prevent major cyber crisis, safeguard cyberspace security and maintain national security and social stability. So there's a desire to both de-secure ties and also build up forces. That's part of a long transition. Various cyberspace capabilities have existed in the Chinese military for a long time at the very end of 2015 there was a reorganization in the PLA that integrated some capabilities under the strategic support force but we don't really know exactly how that's gonna turn out. I wanna emphasize and some of this is common with Russia but there's an element of the conversation that is where cyber security is really a domestic focus and here is gonna be some of the bigger challenges for the United States and other countries internationally in coming years and this is the focus on secure and controllable internet infrastructure, IT products that would be purchased by different parts of the government and the party apparatus and we've had a progression of different laws and regulations, the 2015 national security law, the 2015 counter-terrorism law and the 2016 cyber security law all passed after drafts were out there, comment periods were had, some disagreements and lobbying on the part of the international community was there but out of that progression there's something that's a live ball right now which is that the cyber security law and the national security law both give the Chinese government the responsibility to review certain IT products for security and controllability when it comes to purchases by key entities and the rules to review these things and setting up the organization that'll do the reviews came out for review, for public comment, I mean earlier this year the comment period has ended and we haven't seen the next draft yet but these are going to cause serious challenges for international firms who want to sell their products this is a major concern for US industry and for IT companies around the world and you might hear from Chinese sources that these reviews are really targeted on a very narrow set of clients it would really only be the most the highest security consciousness elements of the government but this isn't quite so clear because the definitions always have an et cetera this type of core thing, that type of core thing and other security priorities these are just some of the things that are out there integrated pursuit of the interests across the domestic and international and I think there's going to be a role for US government and industry and engaging and pushing back on some of these things and adapting to others It's great Graham, thanks Elaine let's pivot quickly to talk about the ally some allies and what they're doing I'm thinking specifically UK and Germany how they're organizing both to meet these threats and then also to sort of build up their cyber defenses more generally quickly if we can go through that at a high level and I'm curious to hear from all of you starting with Elaine what all of this sort of means for the way that the US sort of forges forward internationally and their engagements with both allies and with potential adversaries Sure Rob, so just a quick note first on the UK and the German strategies so we've seen that most of them most of the European countries are going into their second or third iteration of their national strategy so in the case of the United Kingdom for example they had a strategy out 2009, 2011 and now in the late half of 2016 they have the third iteration very similar in Germany 2011 they had their first strategy out and now November 2016 they announced the next iteration of that unfortunately that's not out in English yet so it's the German language document that I've been working with and there it's interesting to see the evolution of the thinking so the strategies before were more broad a little bit more vague but now we see it's sort of it's a very more concrete and discreet set of catalogs or set of issues that these national cybersecurity strategies target so with that to dive into the issues in contrast to what my colleagues on Russia and China said there are a lot of issues that are very similar to the debates in the US so the main questions or topics that are covered in the cybersecurity strategies are about the securing of government networks it's about securing critical infrastructure it's about economic espionage so it's a lot about there's a big emphasis on the driver of ICTs for economic development and for countries to keep their economic competitiveness overall but also in the IT security sector so for example according to some statistics Germany has the fourth largest IT security sector so they're very keen on preserving that competitive edge and evolving that there are also the sort of good old quandaries of government industry corporation and information sharing that also play very prominently in allied strategies we also see cybercrime as a major issue that needs to be addressed and also workforce development how to build the skill set and the number of employees that these economies and countries will need in the future now that having said that so there's a lot of similarities but there's also a couple of quirky things or new things that have come out in the latest two iterations and that is on the one hand there is more openness about talking about offensive capabilities so this goes back to the militarization issue that has been mentioned by both my colleagues that countries such as Germany which may be surprising to most are much more comfortable and just putting it out there in their strategy but it comes with a caveat both countries the UK and Germany very much emphasize that their use will be in conformity with national and international norms so this goes back to for those of you who've been in the conversation with Marina Kalliorand and Sean Knuck about the international norms debate so they're very adamant they specifically and explicitly put this in their national strategies that they find international law to be applicable now two more quick things one is encryption is mentioned in both and I'd be happy to talk more about this later there is a very interesting German approach for encryption, security through encryption and security despite encryption now the UK, same way has mentioned cryptographic capabilities a sovereign cryptographic capabilities in their national strategy so it's gonna be interesting for the US to see when that back door debate or the going dark debate is no longer just in the US, held predominantly in the US but other countries are actually pushing forward with their own national solutions on this how this will affect the debate in the US and the last point is that there is a more general liking towards regulation so I was surprised the British strategy from 2016 was quite blunt in saying in 2011 we very much trusted in market forces and some light government incentives to get this thing going and now five years later we look at it and it just plainly didn't work so be prepared if required there's gonna be regulation I mean same thing in Germany there's much more awareness or awareness for regulation the possibilities just to enact regulation so there's gonna be also a thing that's gonna impact US policymaking in this area that European countries are much less allergic to the word regulation and to the activity of regulation which might put some US companies in a tight spot Great, Jackie and Graham I think we'll go Jackie and then Graham what do you make of the US's approach and Elaine feel free to chime in from the German and the UK perspective what do you make of the approaches when it comes to dealing with your country of expertise so in Jackie the case of Russia how has US strategy and how has US diplomatic relationships and diplomatic efforts gone vis-a-vis Russia and are we on the right track are there things that we should change same to you Graham Badly, well so one thing that's important to note is that there's been this long-standing debate or contest on the international stage over what the discussion should be about norms and legal frameworks and Russia along with China has supported the position of framework of information security and internet sovereignty and the US and allies have pushed back against this and conceptually the idea of information security has stood at odds with the US approach and that of our allies which has focused more on critical infrastructure protection protection against vulnerabilities protection from economic espionage and attacks on networks and data and computers but not so much on the content of the internet or information manipulation in ways that could affect media or public sphere development and the DNC hack and there are other incidents too but that's the particularly noticeable one it would appear the public reaction and the government reaction to it was driven particularly by the political ramifications of the spread of information online and through the media not by the actual hack itself and so in some ways this would seem to justify the point of countries that have supported an idea of information security and that it's seen as aggressive if a country does something that spreads information we don't want spread on in the content of our media and internet and of course the correct reaction to that could vary is the correct reaction to a seed defeat in the conceptual battle between whether we should be talking about norms of information security versus cyber security or is the correct reaction to that one of going back to the basics and thinking about other possible alternatives for how to think about that things that have come out of that discussion and that set of issues include the discussion of fake news and of online viral propaganda and terrorist recruiting and various other forms of online extremism and it's very important to be careful how we talk about these things realizing that these topics of discussion the notion of online extremism as a concept has been used as a justification for censorship in a number of countries including both Russia and China and how do we discuss this in a way which is nuanced and takes into account both sides of this issue and one thing that seems really important for that is to take into account the positions of various stakeholders and while we have many multi-stakeholder forums and events that occur domestically and internationally there is a risk of tech companies as platforms taking a go-it-yourself approach of developing technological solutions to things like fake news without consulting or involving other actors and representatives of civil society and the media that should be involved in that kind of discussion about those categories. So quickly I'm just gonna jump in just so we get Graham and Elaine a chance to talk. Do we meet them halfway? Do we have to restructure the way that we approach these adversaries? What's the best way to approach China at this point, Graham? Well, I'd say there was some limited success in the Obama administration. There was a lot of effort put into addressing the very real concerns that many companies and policymakers had in this country about state-sponsored cyber espionage and stealing of commercial secrets. So much effort was put into that that, and this resulted in a parallel statement by both presidents, renouncing this stuff, something that went on and was endorsed more widely. But that meant that the cybersecurity and cyberspace policy agenda between the two governments, at least at the highest level, was fairly limited. So I would sort of suggest that what needs to be done is to continue on to engagement on further issues. I think there's a tendency of some people to believe that discussing cyber norms, international cyber norms between the US and China, with the US and Russia is not productive. Well, it may be very tough, but I think it's important to continue and keep that open. And the last thing I'll say is that there are challenges that in the US-China context will face both countries and where these two countries have unusual leverage in addressing them. And those include new cybersecurity challenges worldwide based on issues like Internet of Things security. As new technologies come online that are being developed and manufactured heavily in the United States and China, there's reason that at the industry level, there could be cooperation on addressing these challenges. And then both countries face non-state actor cybersecurity threats. It's not one versus the other. There are a lot of other things to worry about collectively. So we're gonna go to questions from the audience here just in just a second. So if you could stick your hand up and get the mic runners poised and ready to field those questions. But before we do that, I wanna go to Elaine. You're an international lawyer. You've been involved in the international norms processes. Do you feel like they're working? Do you feel like it's the right track? Do we need to restructure the way that we're thinking about it? Or do we, same question basically, do we continue to stay the course? The million dollar question. I would echo what Graham said that fundamentally I think the UN has a value in just providing a venue for discussion. And that discussion must be had somewhere. Although I understand that a lot of people and a lot of actors and stakeholders are frustrated with the very slow movement in that debate. But I'm always reminded of just generally the UN only gets so far as the member states want it to go. So in the end of the day, if it's the irreconcilable differences and interests and opinions of the member states, and of course the discussion is not gonna have a major breakthrough anytime soon. But I think there's still, to echo Graham, there's still value in continuing that. At least having the channels open for debate. But I think ultimately we're sort of stuck in the here now and the next two years, three years, maybe you know what's happening after the GG. But I think the more interesting question is far more long term. Because right now it's still a very isolated, it's a very elite, if I may use the word, discussion. It's only very few countries that it can afford to talk about cybersecurity in the first place, but then talk about norms in cybersecurity and how international law applies. And if we think about the World Bank report that's half the world's population, so four billion plus are still to come online, then 20 years, 30 years down the road, that's where international law and the norms are gonna be shaped. So then for me it's rather to be more proactive down the road to try to shape the discussion that's gonna come after and to try to shape the opinions and the viewpoints and interests of all those countries in the middle that right now don't have a voice in that very small UN process to sort of swing them to our way to view things. And if you buy into- The swing states one might say. Harden? The swing states one might say. Yes, the swing states one might say. So I'm gonna do something a little different. I'm gonna take two or three questions all at once here. Should we have them out there? So let's go to Ted over there. And then I think I saw a hand in the back middle as well. Or not. Ted Johnson here, a fellow at New America. So my question is the future of cyberspace. I'm curious if you think it's going to become more of a Westphalian model where it's carved up and the nations sort of have established borders in cyberspace or if it'll be more like the open ocean where it's sort of a global commons, anyone with a boat can sail as long as you sort of adhere to an understood set of norms that the international community agrees to. Okay, so let's take the two right here then as well and then we'll answer all of them together. So I'm interested in part whether or not there is an appropriate conversation to be had about who are we and who are they. Is here a lot of policy makers who are basically saying we're under attack by them. And because we're under attack by them, we have to respond. But like 90% of critical infrastructure is owned by the private sector, which governs a very interesting outcome. And who are we? And I wonder whether or not different countries have ways of thinking about that and how that governs the American response in return. Yeah, on that note, what kind of international pressure do you see to share cybersecurity vulnerabilities? Like, you know, commercial software, intelligence agent, you know, recent documents indicate the CIA has been keeping some of the secrets. I assume other nations do the same. What kind of pressure has there been to, that you've seen to share more of those vulnerabilities? Okay, so we'll answer those three. Are we gonna see fragmentation? Are we gonna see a Westphalian system? Are we already seeing that? Who is the we versus they? Critical infrastructure, providers in particular. And has there been any movement on vulnerability sharing and coordinating that? Let's start with Graham, because I know you have thoughts especially on the first one. Okay, yeah, thanks. You know, my view is that in a sense, we're already in a hybrid situation. The sovereignty that states enjoy by virtue of international law and norms is does exist when it comes to the network infrastructure and the way people interact with networks domestically. And I think the disagreement really comes not with whether sovereignty exists. It's whether it's how it gets exercised and the sort of the general US view although there's quite a lot of diversity among different interests in this country would be that cyberspace should be kept as a more borderless, more commons based thing. And both China and Russia have national priorities to exercise sovereignty more extremely. I think that the debate is not whether there's sovereignty, it's about how to use it. I don't know anything about vulnerability sharing in the Chinese context. It's possible that this is a discussion and I just don't know it, but I will confess to not knowing. And on we and they, I agree with the point that I feel I try to be very careful to say the Chinese government, not China and the United States, not we. But I don't have a real great insight on that other than that I think Chinese internet companies sometimes have a different interest from their regulators and they'll tell you about it in private. Jackie. Right, so on the Westphalian versus global commons I think to some extent we're already in more of a Westphalian internet than we were 10 years or 15 years ago. And it's not, but it's not perfect. It's not equally Westphalian everywhere you go. So some states have created more Westphalian style control over the internet within their territory than others. Russia and China being examples of this versus to some extent the US and Europe are more towards the global commons model into the spectrum. But then it's also important to distinguish between layers of the internet involved. And a lot of the sovereignty exertion we've seen up until this point has been especially on the content layer of the internet. But increasingly those things get tied together with some of the protocol layers and technical layers and there's a real risk of that leading to more fragmentation in coming years. Especially with things like the going dark debate which we've seen play out in other countries already to a certain extent Russia and China both have recent laws that put more constrictions on the use of encryption in Russia's case require the sharing of keys. And so as we see more involvement of the technical layer of the internet in these efforts to control the political use and media use of the internet domestically this could have more of a fragmenting effect. I think probably the most important thing in the context of the multi-stakeholder aspects of internet governance is to do the best we can to and I'll come back to the use of we in a second to continue to build resilience to the technical layers of the internet globally so that it can withstand those efforts to exert sovereignty over the content. And that will be a challenge. In terms of the we and they I completely agree with your point. I think probably it's very difficult to be in the space and not occasionally lapse into usage of it in a way which you yourself be critical of and it's very important to be cognizant of who you're talking about. I've myself made it a habit of bouncing back and forth between locations that in Silicon Valley and closer to Washington and also have talked to people in the private sector in places like Russia and you see often quite a bit of tension between the private sector and the government and it's important to understand that they're not always coming from the same page and that there are many different stakeholders involved besides national governments and in terms of the vulnerabilities I know more about that domestically in the US than I do in Russia. It's an interesting question and I think there's certainly something going on on that side but it's not something that the information about which is readily available in the Russian case. Yeah. Elaine. So to the first question West Failing Ocean I'd agree with Graham and Jackie that sovereignty in the West Failing System is already to a certain extent here and we live in it now but I would also say that's nothing new. I think it's playing out in cyberspace but it's the same debate that we have in the good old physical world with different with countries exercising sovereignty to different degrees and there's international debates around humanitarian intervention where does sovereignty start and where does it end or the good old debate about human rights and cultural diversity and local differences. So that's something I think that we have lived with for decades and that pops up in all other kinds of contexts so now we see it popping up in the cybersecurity context but one aspect I wanted to point out is we talk about governments asserting sovereignty and trying to assert sovereignty in cyberspace but I think a key player in this is also companies the big multinational companies and platform providers so we see this in Germany for example where the government is trying to exert sovereignty and through their free speech sort of limits online harassment libel all those things and they're having a hard time because the main providers such as Facebook are playing in a different playing field so to speak so we have this state perspective that we always pivot back to when we talk about sovereignty and the Westphalian system but one of the complicating factors perhaps sometimes even more important for certain countries are private companies in this context. Third question on cybersecurity vulnerabilities an interesting aspect in the GGE 2015 report that I was very curious about there was this sentence on the governments across the world should responsibly disclose vulnerabilities now that didn't get any attention whatsoever and I was always curious how that got in there because that seemed like a very quirky thing to agree on so long answer to short-winded no I don't have much insight into it but there's been it's been picked up internationally signal intent yeah there's been intent signal yeah so I'm curious where that's gonna go or if it's not gonna go anywhere and then to the S2 who are we I agree with everything that's been said before that there's a lot of nuance out there but for the sake of things or making arguments we usually just tend to put things in binaries and black or white or not but even in the like-minded camp if you want to take that the West I mean there's a question of what is the West and who is the West but even if you look at the national strategies there's actually there's there are a lot of nuances and differences that matter. Well I think we're out of time and I know I learned a lot I hope you all did as well join me in thanking these three


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