Since last time I came to, up over here, yeah. We on fire, we'll be live lit, lit. It's a unique hustle, big, big, big. Check, check, check it, it's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. No money modes, by the way, and we create content every damn day. Man, hey, make sure you got like, subscribe to the channel. Man, make sure you, hey, look at that membership. Try to get on board with membership. Make sure you check out our Patreon as well. Make sure you tap any of the boss talk one-on-one on all streaming platforms, my guy. Check it, man. We got a guy here today. We don't need no introduction. This is the second time on the show. It's been almost two years since he been on Boss Talk one-on-one. We had very, we had just started. We were jumping off with it. And Flex and Fab came through the building, came in and shut it down. What's up, baby? What's up, brother? I'm here. I'm happy to be here. You see how I turned it up? He turned it down. Damn! I'm excited, man, I'm excited, man. I'm excited, man. I'm happy to be here, brother. I'm so excited, man. I'm here, brother. When you came last time, I was so excited about the Zatoban thing. I don't even know if you guys still rocking. Y'all still talking? Yeah, and hell, yeah. Shout out to Zay, man. Shout out to everybody, family down there in Atlanta, man. They got a lot of stuff going on. I ended up having a bunch of stuff going on. Kind of like you said, we probably damned there two years since we last came over here. So I kind of picked up a little bit more emotion, you know what I'm saying? And they ended up having that stuff going on. And it's kind of like, I go to Atlanta or they hit me when they need something down here. It's always love. It's always family. I think you was in a situation last time. I want to say, were you under a deal or something last time? Nah. You independent. You don't have no deals, no ties, no nothing. Nothing. So it's just you. Don't give me. Back in the day, it's just me, myself. Y'all don't know about today. How you going to talk with me? Oh man, you got to go watch the first episode. Yeah. You got to go watch the first episode. It was hard. It was hard. It was hard.  That's Money Moses. What is it? Money Moses. Okay, bro. I'm fab, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm a flex of fab. Good to meet you. But yeah, not long story short, bro. Like I feel like if I remember it correctly, you know what I'm saying? There's receipts that we can go check the first episode if I tell it wrong.  Right.  But it was like a live, like, like a live stream. Right.  I'm like, yeah, right. Like, right. Like whatever. And then my manager caught me. He's like, bros, they just caught me. Like we going to Atlanta. I'm like, okay. And ever since then it was just like, like, come on, let's go. Like, you know what I'm saying? We got a video together and everything. Which is live. Music, we did, we did a bunch of music, bro.  When you're ready to start getting into music, start putting projects together.  You know, it's ready. He taught, from the time you were here, he started answering my DMs. He taught DMing back. He got to ask me about artists though. I was like, man, I need to do the interview with him.  You know what I'm saying? Especially Zay coming from like the area he came from and all the people he came up with. And like, you know what I'm saying? They always trying to find the new next like talent that's kind of bubbling and kind of trying to get in on it. And let's see what can come from it. You know what I'm saying? Like they just real life, just love work down there working at the crazy down there. That's why I really got along with them so much though. Cause like nine times out of 10, it's like, okay, you invite somebody on the show and me and you already did an episode. We can chop it up like this. We ain't spoke in how long we pick it up right back where we left off. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like somebody else maybe come in here and can't do that. You know what I'm saying? So like when I go out there with Zay, it's like, bro, like I know you're used to working with like Future and Gucci and all these people and like, and like whatever, right? I'm like, bro, I'm going to go over there and I'm going to give the same energy. I'm going to pick that up right where they left it too. So when we did that first day, I met Zay. I mean, bro, like I said, bro, you can go look at the first episode.  We went over there, y'all, y'all pulled up on him and actually did the video in his hood, right? In the hood. I don't know if it was his shit, but we did it. We did it in zone three for sure. In zone three. For sure.  I ain't from Atlanta and nothing. I'm not claiming no size down to that level.   Like, bro, Zaynum changed my life, bro. Real time, bro. Zaynum changed my life, bro. I don't know if I even feel that's comfortable to say it last time, what I just did. Yeah, they changed your life. Bro, them boys changed my life, bro. I ain't lying, bro.     I mean, other people's attention on me and stuff like that and kind of like, everybody was scared to touch me though. Did nobody want to touch the kid with the painted nails and the funny hair and the this and the that and right? And like, I had, bro, when Zayn, when Zayn, like it was, it was like, okay, there'll be DJs that play my song, okay, for sure. There'll be like radio kind of got my song on the radio.  You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about like, nobody want to put me on their shows, the radio, 97 on the beat, but shout out to them. You know, like I said, shout out to, I'm talking about everybody up there though, not just the DJs, but I'm talking about Cruz, Mark, Jesse. That's my boy. Mark and Jesse ain't even there in no mode. That was a program. That was a program. Yeah, bro, yes, bro, that's what I'm saying. Like everything has changed since the last time we talked. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Cruz be over here. He come on boss talk. Hey, bro, Cruz is real one, bro. Yeah, I love that guy. I love that guy. Shout out to Cruz, bro. I love him to death. I tell him, I've never failed to remind him every time I see him. Let me ask you this, like you've seen Big X the plug, he actually.  I want to touch on that. But I was finna say basically is like all that to say that like when Zaynem brought me out to Atlanta, bro, when everybody had, I did the shows with them, frat shows, everything, everything was popping for me, boom, videos, whatever, right? Then I came back to the city and that's when it was finally like, oh, fab, we love you, bro. Like, why aren't you coming out more often?  You know what I'm saying? But you always had to leave the city first. It's not to not be your. You're right, you're right. Once you do that, then you'll see them all alone. I'm saying it was with him though. He's the one that did that for me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so. So I was going to ask you about just Big X the plug and just the movement. Like, you know, as far as the music being in Dallas has been kind of, you know, it's been few and far between, but like, who are you seeing that you feel like it's got the motion outside of Big X?  I don't know him or nothing, you know what I'm saying? I've never met him. I don't know like. He been on Boss Talk. Okay, yeah, no. Bro, I been, hey man, let's put a pause on that.  I ain't got a lot. Like, I been seeing like, like I'm seeing y'all had Chico Bean on this hoe. He was just here. Yeah, y'all had the dude Carlos. Yeah. Bro, man, y'all had Ice Tea on this hoe. Bro, what y'all going crazy though? Yeah, I'm seeing the shotgun. Okay, I'm getting twisted. Jody Breeze, like we ain't well.  Blood roll, yeah. We a keep going round and round. I see y'all had, then y'all have Devin Haney pops. Yeah, sir. Bill Haney, yeah, yeah, and a bunch, and just a little bit more. I just wanted to watch the audio. You seen the fights last night? Man. I'm getting it.  But obviously I watched the, who was it? It was Sprint. Obviously, Earthspins, man. Come on, bro.   And I didn't know, obviously it's the new generation. You know what I'm saying? I'm watching growing up, like I'm a little boy watching like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather and shit, but I'm little.   And I'm looking at them. I'm like, bro, I didn't know Terrence Crawford. This man got shot in his head. He did. And drove his self to the hospital. Yeah, yeah.  I'm not fighting you on, bro. But Earthspins flipped the call like 20 times. I don't know, bro. It looked, it looked, I don't know, man. I don't know Earthspins. I don't know Crawford. I don't know them boys, you know what I'm saying? But that, that, I mean, I was excited to watch it. I'm like, you know, he's from the city, bro.  And then I'm like, oh man, that's crazy.   So like it's family, you know what I'm saying? Like I feel like on the right day, y'all walk in here and he's in here and I'll meet him. We're at the tattoo shop or the barbershop. You know what I'm saying? But I just haven't. Yeah, I've never seen him either. I mean, I've never met him. I shot him out a lot of times on Boss Talk 101.  Like you, I get, you know, Rick Ross, like my pictures, Birdman, show love to Boss Talk 101. I've seen that. Yo, I've been wanting to have a talk to Birdman. It's all kind of like, like I can keep going, man. Like I say, I see he 40. Like everybody like Boss Talk 101 from outside of the city, a lot of time, be legit, shout out to Money Bee, Lazy Bone, like all these cats, man, they rock with Boss Talk 101 to be showing love. But then it's certain times, like other people that's kind of, sometimes you can't see the picture from being in the picture. We showed a lot of love to a lot of people in the city and we just really, you know, like I said, a lot of times it's hard to get them to believe in you. And then a lot of times it's conflict. Cause they feel like other people, they indebted to them because they may have been rocking with them and somebody had been saying, being one that's not, I'm not from the music game. I'm a nigga that came from nothing. So when you get it out the mud and, you know, nobody knew you at first, then these other niggas kind of try to, you know what I'm saying? They try to try to understand how to, you know, they don't understand how to deal with me, to be honest with you. When you look at a person that, you look at that wall, it was here when you came. I'm a nigga that I never needed nobody to make nothing happen.  You know what I'm saying? Nah, bro, I'm just crazy, bro. Cause I, you know, I feel like me and you got along real well. Oh, look, I called you after that. We both agreed on that though. You know what I'm saying?  I'm a good person. We can sit down and talk, right?  A lot of the stuff from like trials and tribulations and maybe even like you just said, like more leaning towards like, my dog, everything I did was what I did for myself. And like, like it's like, you're right.   Like, that was long talk. It's crazy. And I'm like, okay. Your picture over there wasn't over there last time. Oh, for real? Oh, I should have seen it. Yeah, nigga, stop playing. Oh, that's hard. See, that's hard. I'm like, I feel like I'm- People see it every time and ask about it too. They really ask about that picture. See, bro, see that what I'm saying? Like, like it's like- I know before you went big like this. Bro, see that's, bro, see what's crazy is like, like, I feel exactly like what you said, bro. Like what you're saying, bro is like, like there's nowhere I can go or can't go that's like, I come in and, and, and bro, you know what type of person I am, bro. I come in here and I didn't walk right by them. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to- How you doing? You know what I'm saying? Like I come in here late.  Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I apologize. How y'all doing? Whole time, it don't matter where I'm at, bro. I never fail, bro. Barber shop, tattoo shop, club, strip club. If I'm, if I'm at my homeboy's spot and he got some hoes over, like, Hey, how you doing? I'm my name Fab. I know who you are. Yeah. What? I'm like, what? I've never seen you in my life. Right?  Whole time I leave and somebody called me. Bro, everybody was in here. Geet, cause you came in here. Yeah. I'm like, whoa, whoa, like how? Like I didn't know that at all. Like, you know what I'm saying? Show it in your face. Yeah.  You know what I'm saying? And it's like, it's like, damn, that's crazy. Like you really, you know, it's cliche, right? Like you really don't know who's watching, right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? We're watching today, watching. Exactly. Like that is cliche, but it's like, at the end of the day, it's like, I feel like, bro, like, like, like you said, bro, I'm, I'm, I'm this type of person, but I really came from where I came from, bro. I'm like, I did what I did to get where I'm at. So I took the losses and I took them like a man. And you know what I'm saying? And I, and I took the L's and I ain't cry about it. I kept moving. Yeah, I wouldn't have known that I took no L's if I ain't say, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's it.  Since you were here, like we went down to New Orleans. We did Mr. Servant. We did KL. We did Shirani. We did a little soldier slim, soldier slims family.  We went to Chicago, did Larry Hoover, Junior. I've been seeing you move around. I go everywhere, man. I don't play, I'm a grown man.  Like, I just feel like that's the way you got to be when it's just me. Like I move around like that anyway. So now I just additive to, you know what I'm saying? Just to sit down with the right people and really just show love to the people while I'm there. That's all I be doing. Nah, bro. I feel like that's the name of the game, though. Like I feel like for, for, I don't know, I'm just so, like me as an artist, you know what I'm saying? I feel like it's important, especially for like y'all for a podcast, for an interview, for like a, like a channel. You know what I'm saying? Like it's important to touch the city, bro. Like, like no matter where you are, you know what I'm saying? Like I'll go to Chicago LA. Yeah, I don't know, right? I'm anywhere. And I'm like, okay, well where, you know what I'm saying? Where the strip club at? Where the little house at? Where the strippers at? Let me meet one of these little girls. Let me, let me come out to the hood and Gil go get one of these little chicken spots. It's like I'm not tripping up there. I feel like, bro, like, I don't know. I feel like that's important, bro. A lot of people don't, don't like, a lot of people just seem to overlook that. You feel me? Like overlook that. Like it's been so many times I've been up in the club or with a DJ in the booth or whatever, right? And they're like, man, fair, bro. Like you always come back and show us love, bro. We play your music. We've been playing your music the first day. And you always still pull up, bro.  Oh, that's over there right now.  Talk to this girl if you didn't play my music. Like, you know what I'm saying? Hold time. After I'm with her for a week, two weeks, she gonna say, I used to love when they played your song. Damn, I didn't even know you. I didn't even know you knew I made music. Now I gotta go. Now it's burnt, now it's burnt out. Now I gotta, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, that's neither here nor there. I gotta ask you about, I'll get you on that part. I gotta ask you about, uh, uh, six, nine. Would you ever make music boosted with mad about that, man? Would you ever make music with six, nine because of the predicament of street code? Man, bro. Codex Black did it, bro.   I'm like, bro, what I think happened is like, like, Tekashi, six, nine is known for like, obviously like trolling and, and, and getting people's, you know, riled up and comments going on Instagram and whatever, right?  Bro, this was supposed to happen, bro. It wasn't supposed to be Kodak or necessarily, you know, Busey or Gucci or NBA Youngboy or anybody that's one of these type of guys, right? It could have been anyone. That's a normal move for Tekashi, six, nine, right? It's like football, it's like soccer, it's like basketball. It's like, okay. Yeah, bro, it's like, it's like, like, okay. It's a mind game, man. You take the blueprint of what that press guy is finna play like for these last four games and we know what he gonna throw this time, right? Bro, Tekashi, six, nine, that's not, that's not out the water for him. He, he, he beefing with Ann Well cause now he with his baby mama and man, come on, bro, like that was supposed to be a man and then they snitched and then this happened and now he beefing, now you with the baby mama. Like he was beefing with juice, like this is a common pattern is what I'm saying. Beefing with Jay Prince, he did all kind of things. Yeah, bro, this is a common pattern for Tekashi, six, nine, right? Now he does this on Kodak Black. But what I'm saying is involving Kodak is like, this is an outlandish move for Kodak Black though. Exactly. You feel me? He usually wouldn't do that. So what I'm saying is like, it had to be someone like him though. It had to be Kodak or YB or Gucci or Boosie, applies. It had to be someone like that, like a real like, I'm a gangster and I'm street cold. It had to be somebody like that. To do a feature with him. To do a feature with him. Because whoever did that, we're talking about it right now. So they know how to make the noise.  Bro, them folks got paid money, bro. Them folks got paid a million, I mean, I don't know. They said a million, they said a million tickets. I won there, I won in them conversations. I see the ticket. A wax showing the check, right? All I'm saying bro, all I'm saying long story short is like that was a regular move for Takashi, but it was a crazy, it was a motherfucking outlandish move for Kodak and for that, thank you so much. For that to be done, it's like, bro, we're talking about it right now. He got paid a whole bunch of money, bro. He got people debating him now. Bro, did you see the video? Yeah. Y'all saw the video? I did, I don't think it was an outlandish move, bro. I wanna ask you about that. I was finna say, bro, fam, bro, Kodak came in there with a hoodie and shorts on.  You're doing a multi-million dollar video budget, whatever the case is, that you know finna go viral, that you know finna, whatever, right? And the girl on the song too.  Oh yeah. It don't matter what me and you think. Let's go.  You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?  I used to put that work in way before when you done all that craziness. But I will say.  He rich, he rich, he can get your attention. That's what I'm talking about. I will say though. Don't put that up there, she a trip.  I'm trying to, I'm trying to. He's over here, it's right here. You got two cameras. Three photo cameras on you. Boom, that my thumbnail. Yeah, so the one thing I can say, man, is you, like, you gotta look at it. When you, don't you start chewing that ice, you can't do that when they're biking for you. Oh yeah, oh. That's crazy. I took that nigga to ice, man. I got ice, I don't chew it. It's all right, it's all right. Okay, so. I forgot I had this one over here. That's when you feel comfortable, bro. That's when you feel comfortable. Yeah, it's cool over here, man. That's my guy right there. But you gotta understand, man, like, since you left here, man, you had a lot of stuff to happen. Like, you know, was it, what's the boy name that got killed? Then he was in take off. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And then, you got all kind of different things that been transpiring, man. Boots actually went to jail. There was a lot of stuff that was happening, bro.  A lot of stuff that was going on. Like, how do you keep yourself, you know, grounded and not in the midst of trouble? Like, how are you staying, staying out the way?    So like, I don't know, but I just feel like I've been really awesome. Like, I'm not dealing with nothing that ain't for me. You know what I'm saying? I'm not, I'm not trying to insert myself into nothing that don't want me to be there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm really just like doing whatever, whatever works for me. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, if you want me to come do the podcast, bro, I'm more than grateful and I'm gonna come do it. You want me to date booking me at the club? I'm gonna go do it. Give me a free bottle. I'm gonna go take the bottle.  I'll give it to my little brother or something. You know what I'm saying? I'll do whatever I need to do. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of like, bro, I've just been trying to like, not really just value opinions. Like, yeah, y'all ain't paying my bills, dawg. Like I'm, you know what I'm saying?  If y'all can't help me with that, then really, what are we talking about? You asking me about why I'm posting this on Instagram? Like Instagram, like, you know what I'm saying?  I am a real person. I am a real human being. Even even girls, bro. Like, oh, why are you posting these hoes? What? Like, bro, what?   Bro, I don't know, bro. It's just like. It's crazy.  And I hear that artist they saying, you know what I'm saying? But do you really feel that hit value? Like when you look at a Memphis or when you look at a, whether it be a California or a New York, like, where is this? When they come to Dallas or Houston, where is the music at, man? Is the music losing its essence? Bro, and I can tell you in Dallas. This is, I know where you going. What, I want to, I want to hear with you. Mother Moses. I got you. The reason why you actually don't hear it in Dallas like this, because people don't stand behind each other. It's like they gonna always throw hate to the other man. So I mean, I don't know why they do it. They just do it. Just like last night when Earl Spence lost. Why everybody started talking down on him? He don't lost one fight in his whole life. Right, right, right, right. Just one fight. And the whole city talking down like, why? I'm like, y'all was sitting before the fight, y'all was sitting here throwing, hey, these the best fight in the world, this and that. Now, as soon as they leave, everybody talking down on him. Now it's like. That's how Dallas is. Dallas is like that. I don't know if I want to come here. I don't know if I want to be here.  When he lost, y'all posted support on him. Now he on you. I guarantee he won't come. I wouldn't even want to come back. I will say I ain't gonna lie cause what you saying is real true, bro. I don't know. Like I just said, I don't know where Earl Spence from. You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. He from Oak Cliff. Now they say he's from New York, but he moved to Dallas and he been in Oak Cliff ever since then. Okay. All right. Well, you know what I'm saying? So if you're from Oak Cliff, if you're from Oak Cliff, that's cool point is what I'm trying to say is like, like I will say, like the hit factor thing that you're saying, I feel like I don't have an answer for that. Cause then it, I, I'm even in question then, you know what I'm saying? So me, big X, Tay, Beazie, Fred, we're all in question though. I can't answer that, you know what I'm saying? So with that, with that being said though, I will agree on the fact of like, like, bro, Dallas is just real big, bro. First and foremost, right? DFW, Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Grave, Vine, whatever, whatever, right?  Yeah. No, it's not. It's Houston. Houston is the fourth biggest city. Okay. In the, in the, in the U.S.  Yeah, but it's just structure, bro. Like you can't even bring people together for even, I can't put a flex and fab, a big extra plug, a yellow BZ and a D'Roll on the same song. And a Post Malone. Ain't nobody, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. People not coming together or in a big tub. It's sad, but everybody think they're on there in their own little zone and they don't have no unity. And that's the problem. And then you will never, you know, something that Farrakhan said when he was saying them speeches back in the day, it makes so much sense. He say, our unity is more powerful than an atomic bomb. It is. But the unity is not in their market. It's not. So when you look at the people, that's why they don't have a lot of power. I'm trying to, I'm trying to tell you. Dallas supported Dallas. It wouldn't even need nobody. I'm trying to tell you what I, what I think, what I think, cause only from my, I can only speak from my experience, right?  I feel like I'm active in my community. I'm active where I'm from. I did a school drive. I'm tapped, we did a block party the other day. I didn't even get to go. You know what I'm saying? We did a problem active where I'm from. You know what I'm saying? Mode three was out there and, you know what I'm saying? May God rest his soul. You know what I'm saying?  That's where I'm from, right? So with that being said, it's like, why is, I just feel like, bro, it's so many sides on the same side.  How come me and three, we was talking about the streets that are five minutes away from each other. But in our hood, that's two different sides. And so me and three got along with some people that knew each other, but me and him never met, or you know what I'm saying? Or why BZ and them and Earth spends them, they get together and walk each other out to the fights and stuff like that.  But you know what I'm saying? They don't got songs or something, right? I'm just saying, like, it's bro, it's so big and you're right, like, bro, you get some popping, bro. I feel like personally, then like I said, I'm done name dropping and shit, right?  Here's the thing. I'll be the first one to admit that. I'm gonna tell you something. Right now, Big X got the club that got the song we from Texas. But he the only one on it. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. He the only one on it. Like, you know how many people they could have did something came together with a remix and put the main hitters on there and made their song so big but they too busy trying to figure out a way to harness everything on their own and it's just no unity. You know, it's funny. Did you know about the hurricane relief song we did? No. Going on your phone right now or later, whenever y'all want to, right? On Spotify, Apple Music, whatever.   And we did a song that all the proceeds was going to the thing. It was zero, it was his play, right?   It was zero, the row, me, Paul Wall, Slim, Flip, Beezie, Freddie, Kiki and then some Houston dudes that I didn't really know, I didn't know them. You know what I'm saying? It was like probably some TSF dudes. I didn't know them at all, right? But from Dallas, it was Jamee, D'Roll, Beezie and Freddie. And it was all of us on the song. The song ain't good. The song ain't, you know what I'm saying? Nobody was kinda like, everybody was, no one was like famous. That's a really good personality. You know what I'm saying? That's a really good personality.  Everybody got like faux bars, bro. Like nobody was ready. Me, Beezie, Freddie, we was just kind of like just barely met each other. Well, they knew each other, but I just met them. They just met me. D'Roll's kinda like D'Roll's already D'Roll. Who put it together? Good old D'Roll. Zero. He put it all of his people put it together. Yeah, man, they put it together. I like that.  Like I said, bro, it's not good. I love it. It's not a fucking, it'd probably be about 10 minutes long, bro.  Let me just say this. The point is they stand together though, bro. Kiki just did a song that had Trap on it. It had Kiki on his newest 25 summers. He had Trap Boy on it. He had What's the Boy from Waco. Hot boy to be on it. Hot boy West.   He is, bro. And that break me sad, bro.   I told Gio I was coming here today. Whatever it up. No, it's outside the Gio though, man. It's outside the Gio. That's the first one I brought you here. Boy, man. You know Gio. He do all my videos, man. He do all my- Welcome. Yeah, man. That's my brother, bro, real talk. Anyway, I seen him do West shit, bro. Like, and I just started just keeping up with it, bro.  Like, I feel like- The lady got locked up. Yeah, man. It broke my heart cause he was just popping, bro. Like, he was live, bro. He was just like- Now D300, like, he had all these people on that track. Like, look, Kiki and them, they get it right. They come in, they try to put people together on their tracks and try to bring the people together. See, I also think though, like, I feel like we're missing, like a, excuse me, I feel like we're kind of overlooking the fact that it's like, bro, Zero called. Kiki can call. Maybe even Pawaw can call. Slim can- You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like- Do Roe can call. Flex and Fam can call. I feel like I'm trying- You have your- Win! I feel like I've tried- You tried to put a massive- No, I've never done- I've never tried doing like that. That's what I said! But I've definitely, I've definitely tried to reach out to people. You should try. You know what I'm saying? You know what, I will try. And you can call me, I'll help you. I'm gonna- We leave here. You know how little Kiki ended up rocking with, with Wes? With Wes? Yeah.  He called me and I linked them up. There you go. And you've definitely called me before saying people have asked about me. Yeah, yeah.  You know what I'm saying? That's my flaw. Also, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm also a asshole and I don't really care about what the next person's saying, but it's also, I feel like, like, when I first, I feel like I got a lot of, I'm jaded from when I first started.  I feel like I'm still jaded from that. And I feel like I'm even stunning my own, not stunning my own growth, but I haven't noticed my own growth. Like when you get a dog. Yeah. You get a dog and you're playing with it every day and you're, it's a puppy and it's cute.   And you're like, what do you mean? But you see it every day. You feed it every day and you play with it every day and you take a bath every day. I ain't seen it in two months. The dog big now in my eyes, right?  I feel like, like Brojus did Nike. Really? You seen that? I thought that's where y'all got that picture. Brojus did, are you joking? Man, what? Look at this. You just did Nike. I'm on Tom Square and everything. What you doing with Nike? I did, they had some new shoes coming.  You ain't seen that? No. Dog, I don't even know what to say. Let me see it, let me see it. We gon' stop this real quick. Hold on, wait, I'll put the phone out of the water. I don't know what to say. I got to see this, bro. I got to see this. They called my manager, bro. They said, look. You did it in New York? I did it here. Oh, you did it here? Here, on my little sister, we took my photo shoot. We did it at Big Mama's on Forest Lane, Nardelia. I swear to God. Let me see this, man. Look, this picture just on my Instagram, right? That's where those pictures came from. That's crazy. I still stay on there. Wow. Where you from? Yeah, I'm not from there. I stay in that area. Where you from? Loser. Loser. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's hard. Yes, bro. That's pictures I just posted on my Instagram, right? But like... How they came out with it yet? They didn't care. Yeah, but I was trying to show you, look. I put a reel together. Let me see it. Let me see it. Hold on, let's see it.  Cause I was already, they published it, I want to say, last month or two months ago.    Yes, bro. Yeah, they... And they read it out to you. They reached out, bro.  We want Fab part of the campaign. How's Paco doing? He good, bro. He's still managing. Who else? He still be helping with Power? Yeah, he helps Power. He helped with Tom, but it's really just me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom got other people involved, too. Paul obviously got his people involved. You know what I'm saying? Gou, I be talking to Gou.  Shout out to them boys, shout out to Gou and Paul. Okay, what about Post Malone? Last time you had met Post Malone, didn't you? I ain't went to a show, yeah. Yeah, I went to a show.  So we went to the show and it wasn't nothing like, it's not my boy or nothing, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, just me. But let me ask you this, would you ever do anything with like the Tom Tom's? No, I would do anything with anybody. The big tugs, you know what I'm saying?  Well, first of all, I love Tom and Tug of Death. I love Tom and Tug of Death. Fat Bees is throwing him in there, too? Well, yes, bro. That was crazy. I seen him at, I was doing a feature for somebody just randomly and Paco ended up coming with me on like just one, it was a random day.  And Fat Bees was at the studio that day and we just chatted, bro, I love them boys, bro. Like, that's Paco people who put him on. How I can't love them too, you know what I'm saying?  With that being said, my phone's going crazy. I be at home all day doing nothing, bro. No one wants to say anything to me.  I would do anything with anybody. Tom, Tuck, DeRoe, Beazy, Freddy, Tate, Big X, Splurge. I'm calling out everybody, bro.  Like, bro, I don't have no like, like bad blood. I don't have no, no hate in my body, bro. I don't hate nobody, bro. I don't, I don't, I don't love nobody, bro. I don't know them. I don't know anybody I just named right now. You know what I'm saying? All y'all done did y'all own things. Yeah, yeah, I know Tom and Tuck.  You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying?  Those are the only people like I know in real life, though. You know what I'm saying? Everybody else has always been high and bi. Everybody else has always been, oh, we must be on the same lineup. What's up, bro? I see you love, keep doing your thing, see you next week. Right? Like maybe I see, I don't know, trackboy Freddy in the bar or something. What's up, brother? You good? You hell? Yeah, I bet. Right? Like that's it. That's it. I don't know these boys. You know what I'm saying? I don't know anybody. Like I never got a chance. Huh? It's business, though. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.  No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying this like if it's up to me, bro, like I'll give features on my projects. I'll do features for other people. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't be chipping, bro.   They take it too serious, bro. Do you know when they get mad or somebody talk down on them, bro? Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying they take it serious. I don't know what they think or anything. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying like in the music business is what I mean. You know what I'm saying? Cause even my extension go for it.  You know what I'm saying?  That's who I really been working with lately. You know what I'm saying?  Like this ain't supposed to be no, bro, we don't work at Walmart. We not clocking in and taking cigarette breaks and tell, you know what I'm saying? We don't work at Autozone, bro. Like this supposed to be fun, bro. I don't, I don't try to take myself too serious, bro. It was one point where I did.  I don't paint my hair no more, bro. I'm a, I'm a fucking, this where I'm from it, right? That's not even who I am first. Second of all, it's like, like, like, dawg, what we doing this for?  I'm gonna be like, yeah, go, or tell my partner like, well, you better hurry up or I'll go, you know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying?  Like, I'll tell you the truth, bro, I'll tell you the truth, bro, I'm hurt, bro. Why? You know what I'm saying? Like in my heart, in my mind, in my life of traumas and stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like relationships or growing up, childhood, whatever. Like I'm hurt, I'm hurt, bro. You know what I'm saying? But then I'm gonna be the blessed one.  And that's what I'm getting at.  Alexander McQueen, I see y'all there. Yeah man, come on, come on. I gotta show him this. I know, I know you do, I see the watch too.  Come in and be like, man, bro, I feel good. I'm happy to be here. You feel me?  No, bro. Like I'm coming here and I'm having fun. Bro, you like- As you should. Like you said, like we was supposed to come in here and do this stuff earlier. Like I admit it's my fault, you know what I'm saying? I done had a long night. Bro, you follow me on Instagram. You see what I like doing, bro. I'm young, bro. I'm handsome, bro. I'm popular, bro.    You're in the streets, huh? Yeah, you're in the streets. I am, bro. I am, bro.  I'm not hiding no more, bro. I'm not- Oh no, bro, I'm cool, bro. No, bro, I'm not cool, bro. You know what? Let me tell you something. I have a theory, bro, that I've been dealing with in my mind for a long time, bro, that goes on with what you just- what you mean you were talking about, about like, artists that, you know, takes us too seriously and kind of just like, business is business, right? I'm a big believer on business is business, but at the same time, bro, like, I'm not afraid to be myself. You feel yourself in business? Yeah, bro. That's what I'm saying.  Or pretend that I'm not the way that I actually am, like, no, bro, like, if I'm sitting up in the crib and we chillin' and we smokin' a blend or we eatin' some food, I'm gonna say, bro, eat, bro. Man, I gotta take a shit real quick for a bit, right? Like, what? Well, like, you know what I'm saying? That's cool, like, I'll be right back. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, whatever, like, oh, bro, hey, bro, it's a whole outside. I'm finna go duck off real quick and come back in a little bit. Like, right, like, like, I'm not finna, like, sit here and pretend, bro. Like, I'm done puttin' on a- Let me tell you something, man. We love you, period. Thank you, bro. You my guy. So I don't even care nothin' about none of that.  Yeah, bro, and I appreciate that. That's all that really mattered to me. I appreciate that, bro, cause like, like, it's been, it's been a lot of times where, like, I needed, I needed, you know, like I see it, like, in my life, like, maybe it was popcorn, maybe it was, like, different producers I was workin' with, my boy A.Z. just got signed, shout out A.Z. Shout out A.Z. You know what I'm sayin'? I needed someone that, at that moment, you know what I'm sayin'? Where sometimes my battery run out. Yeah. And sometimes, like I said, the dark times do catch up, you know what I'm sayin'? And when I'm at home and the party's over and the bottles are gone and the hose done left and your man went home to his kids or his girlfriend or, and you just sittin' at home by yourself and it's three in the morning, you sittin' there and you're, like, down, like. You gotta really look at it really out. You know what I'm sayin'? You know what I'm sayin'? And it's kinda like, it remind me of, see it's like, not what I do for myself cause that's gonna be you and me and everybody at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I come here and I feel loved and it's fun and if I drink, we'll be takin' shots right now. You know what I'm sayin'? Or we'll be, whatever, but it's like. What made you stop drinkin' like? Man, bro. Tell a real story.  I'm on, man, we gon' post this part so y'all can see this part, but I ain't gon' lie, bro. I caught a DWI. It was tough. And I'm on Papers, bro. You know what I'm sayin'? It was tough. And that's the harsh reality of it. Like, it's a thing that you now know that you gotta take extra precautions. Like. I was crashin' out too, though. I ain't gon' lie. So that might've been a net to save you. It was. So I'm crazy, right? It was. I was actin' crazy. I was goin' a little too hard. Yeah.  Quirk coming up. Let's just go, let's just take this.  And let's just get this one last, trying to chase that final, right? Mm-hmm.  And the thing is, man, like I said, you blessed, man.  How important is God, man? I think it's important. You can't see it right now. I just got this done. Like, I got the fuckin' jack. I don't want to do all that, but it's wrapped up right now. I just, I think, I think, like, I talk to God every day. You know what I'm sayin'? I talk to God every day.  And I ask for nothing. Like I said, I got St. Jude right here. You know what I'm sayin'? And it's kinda like, you know, patron of the lost. But it's something because people don't realize that, like, your mind, you think so much. Like your mind is going like that. Everybody's mind. The things that we think a lot of times don't even get spoken because we're thinking so fast. And sometimes when you think something else jumps up that's more important than that and you bypass that thought, but your mind, the battle starts with the mind. It do. Meaning you talked about the three o'clock in the morning like that's when the harsh reality kicks in. I gotta deal with me now. Ain't nobody here to talk to. Ain't no way to shadow this whole situation. So that's why I asked you about God because when you can't talk to nobody else, man. And I got this tat on my back to say, trust no one but God. That's who I trust. See, and what's crazy is like, I hear a lot of stuff like that, right? Only God can judge me, trust no one but God. Stuff like that. And like I said, I never always encourage, I want to hear what that means to you. And I want to hear how it's helped you and stuff. Play something that you got to meditate on. See, most people can't tap into their spiritualism because you have to stop like you just said during that three o'clock in the morning time and you have to meditate. Meditation is good, but you have to read. I read what I believe in. I believe in the Word of God. So I'll meditate in that. I'll sit sometime and read. I'll sit sometime and meditate on what I've read before. And then those deep thoughts and those deep longings for God, I tap into a place where I can't explain. Right. You see what I'm saying? I do. But you can't do that if you're not, you have to have a clear mind. You have to have peace. You have to stop all of, you got to push everything out the way. You got to let some things fall back. See, and what's crazy is like, okay, I, like I said, I hear about a lot of, you know, things and stuff like that, which, which like to me is, is like, okay, that's what that means to you. I got this, excuse me. I got this St. Jude. It's like, you know, St. Jude's hospital, all this type of stuff, patron of the lost, all this type of stuff. Right. When I feel like I'm like four or five in the morning, three in the morning sitting at home, and I do feel lost and I sit down and I, and I think and I'm like, okay, well, well, all I need is the rededication. I'm not lost. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I promise you, I swear to God, I'll tell you, I'll tell everybody to listen to this stuff. Like I pray, bro, and I ask for the same things every single time, bro. It's just give me clear mind, a piece of mind, clear thoughts, strength and dedication and motivation to keep going and doing what I'm doing. Cause what I'm doing, it may not, like I said, it's like having a puppy. Like, like it may not see, I may not be able to see it cause I got my tunnel vision on and I'm writing like this and to everybody else, they see what I'm doing and it's great. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes it ain't, it ain't about what you do for yourself, it's what you do for everybody else.   I believe there's power in what you say, you put things into existence. And I had to, I had to realize, I had to learn that like, on top of speaking something to existence and stuff like that, it's like, like your environment, right? Your environment, your surroundings and stuff like that. People, whether it's a situation, a person, a relationship, whatever, I was in a relationship with me and you met. You know what I'm saying? And as much as I was painting a picture of how great it was or whatever, it's kind of like, we had to let that stuff go. You know what I'm saying? I had to let it go and I had to move on with my life, right? So with that being said, it's like drinking and whatever and I stopped drinking and stuff. Like I said, I was crashing out. I got in trouble. I caught whatever the case is, right? It's like, but I felt like, like I was back, I'm back now in charge of my life. Like I'm not running away from nothing, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm not hiding from nothing.    I'm over with it.  I'm in the club. I'm understanding better. I'm pulling better holds. I'm talking better. I smell better. You know what I'm saying? Just think about, think of it like this, Flix. If you ever need anything, you know what I'm saying? You can always pick up the phone and call me. Your number don't change, bro.  You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Same. I believe it. That means, so just hit me up, man. I don't care what time of the day it is or night, man. I'm always here for conversation, man. So don't ever think, if it ain't never too late and ain't never too early, it's always right on time. Hit my line, bro. I appreciate that, bro. I do. And like I always tell y'all, like I'm always grateful. Like I don't take opportunities for granted and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm always grateful and I'm always appreciative to even being y'all's thoughts. Man, you always invited. You know what I'm saying? You always invited, though. You could have came back five months ago, a year ago. I called you. Yeah.  We locked all the way in. So it don't matter. And I appreciate that, bro. Real talk, man. A lot of people come through. It'd be like, man, some people stop calling me. I talked to one preacher. I was like, man, we're going to come on the show. You got all them people on there now. You don't need me. It ain't about that. Yeah. You changing on me. I ain't changing on you. Right.  I'm still here with it. She started, right? You know what I'm saying? Same on Tuesday, bro. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Because I be trying to give people to come back to ones that like people need to hear from Flex and Fab. People need to hear from Money Moses. People need to hear from Monsters and Preachers and the people that have been through here. To show this a real deal, man. We got love for you, baby. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate it, man. Man, thank you for coming on the show. We're going to shut this thing down, man. Hey, we love you, Flex and Fab. This is just the start of many. He coming back. This guy right here. Go listen to this music, man. Go check out his vibe, man. You'll see him. You'll see Zay Tobin on the track with him. You'll see a lot of times he did different moves over the years. He ain't new to this. He's true to this, man. Check it, man. Go, go.  I've been working with Happy Perez a lot. I'm working. I'm dropping all year. I've been dropping all year. And I'm dropping a... When is this coming out? This is coming out probably within a little week or so. A week or so? Okay, I'm going to just say I'm dropping a mixtape in August. Okay. I don't know when this episode's coming out, but by the time you come out, maybe it'll be out, baby. There you go. Right? But I'm dropping a mixtape in August. I'm back. I'm a mixtape fan. I don't know mixtape wheezy. Well, let's do it. I'm here. How can people get a hold of David trying to reach out? Flex and fab on every single platform, Spotify, Apple Music, Instagram, Twitter, same handle everywhere. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the boss is shown.


Okay, so this is the Bookmap Platform Details webinar. Risk disclaimer, trading equities and futures involve substantial risk of loss, and it's not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not indicative of future results. If you are new here to Bookmap, go to bookmap.com and you can download Bookmap for a free trial for 14 days and see if you like it. You're here in this webinar now. I can answer your questions here and I go through any of the features and components, and then we will also take a look at the order flow, just a bit, because this webinar is much more about understanding what Bookmap is showing you and what some of the features are, how to use the actual software. The next webinar that we have in about a half hour, that is very specifically about the order flow and understanding, looking for opportunities in the order flow based on what we very objectively see here in the visualization in Bookmap. So first steps, first understand what it is you're looking at here in Bookmap and then get comfortable with the features and the components of the software. And then secondly, start applying it to the order flow. Now to get to that second step, you will need to be in trial or be a current customer. That's to support those who are beyond just the platform details. All right guys, so let's take a look here. This is where you can find Bookmap. Let's go to the home page up here. Click on the explore. There's a few intro videos here, they're very short. Might wanna start with those to see what you're looking at in Bookmap. And then let's go down to connectivity. You will need a data provider. Bookmap is a true platform just like any other platform out there like TradeStation or NinjaTrader. It's, you can directly connect your data provider or broker or account to Bookmap, okay? And if you have the advanced Bookmap version you can actually trade from Bookmap which is a nice advantage. So these are the methods for connecting. Let me know if you have any questions here. We also, you can see we have NinjaTrader here and trading technologies as well as interactive brokers. These all, the connections between all of these three are through the API with the platforms. So there's a little bit of a combination. Sometimes we can go through the platforms, API like NinjaTrader, or you can just connect directly to your data feed like IQ feed, CQG, Rhythmic, et cetera, right? Okay, let's go down a little bit further. Here's the pricing information. There are two versions of Bookmap, basic and advanced. 49 per month and 99 per month are billed quarterly. The difference between the two, I mentioned here already, the ability to trade right from the Bookmap chart and that's a nice advantage I can get into that and explain why because we show the heat map.  So that's a really nice advantage. It's right there in the chart so take advantage of it if you are subscribed to that advanced version. The other aspects here, differences are the add-on indicators, okay? Now these add-on indicators are a little different than your traditional indicators, okay? These are much more geared about the order flow, okay? So ask any questions here, happy to answer. You can see there's a couple other versions here now. It's just the basic and advanced here but it's packaged with DX feed, okay? Now DX feed is something unique. We've partnered with dev experts and it is for US equities only. It is not for futures, okay? So you will only use that for US equities now. We offer multiple connectivity. So you can be connected to DX feed for your US equities as well as your data feed for the futures, okay? And this is just a package deal between the two. If you have the basic or advanced you can still get DX feed. I just need to subscribe to it as an add-on. Okay, then once you do log in you'll come into the Bookmap portal. You can find the link here and this will allow you to access a lot of the education features and support here. If you wanna follow us on Twitter, okay? It's at bookmap underscore pro. All sorts of good stuff, retweets from other professional traders and just up-to-date information about Bookmap. Then you can also follow us here or subscribe to our YouTube channel. Let me just go through basically the YouTube channel. Features and components would be your first step. Just get an overview of what Bookmap is and just go through a few of these. Go through as many as you like but this is the beginning here to understand what the features and components are and then next step would probably be watch some of these order flow video snippets. These videos here cover the phenomena that Bookmap uncovers in the order flow. And this is much more like the content we go over during the trial period or the current customers. We're looking at the order flow. So start with a few of these maybe. Get an idea of what Bookmap is showing you and how to use it, okay? And then there's some selected webinars here. So all the webinars are recorded but there's just some selections here if you just want an overview of what the advanced are for example, you can watch a few of these and get a feel for it. And then we have Features Trader 71 down here is professional traders and using a Bookmap for quite a while now and you can watch some of these videos to see how he uses it. Okay, well let's jump into Bookmap and take a look here. And like I said, I see some new faces in here just reaching out welcome. I've reached out to a few of you already via email. This is the time to answer any of your questions. Go through anything basically regarding the features functionality, whatever it is. Just let me know, happy to help you here. Okay, let's see, let's start off here and we'll just look at the ES. We looked at the ES yesterday and had some good insight especially on the order flow, advanced order flow webinar at 11 Eastern. We remain bullish and we saw the move to the upside. What's going on today? All right, well, let's take a look here and you can see the 930 open nice move to the upside still bullish. We've actually come down and tested the low here but we rejected and came right back into the range so far. Now it is downtrending in this downtrend here this is kind of like a big sideways. Well, I don't know, it looks like a bull flag but it's also still downtrending here so we need to see them step up in the limit order book. We wanna see some support here. Anyway, I'm getting a little ahead of myself here. Let's start off. What are we looking at here in book map and how can you relate to what it's displaying here and then we'll get into how to read it. So I'm gonna do that by starting with a very simple candlestick chart. We're gonna turn off everything else here, the volume, the indicators and the heat map. Here's a five minute candlestick chart. Now, we can see the move to the upside here and we can see this kind of nibbling away on the downside and just breach the low here or test the low and then right back into the middle of the range. Now, the candlestick chart, we've been all reading candlestick charts for quite a while and we can start to understand the pressure in the market here just by the wicks and the body but it's really giving you only four data points. Open, high, low and close of a five minute period. There is a lot of data that is missing here and that kind of data is critical to making excellent financial trading decisions. So for example, where are the traders? Where's the volume? Where did they commit? We have no idea here. We have a volume sub chart. We know that there's volume on this candle here and we can see a little bit of volume over in this area here but that's about it. There's really not much else to gather from looking at this. So let's say you go long here. Well, it's kind of a pot shot. You don't know and you're making financial trading decisions on limited data and that's the problem here. So we're just gonna switch on the best bid and offer and we're already gonna see an advantage here and we can start to understand some of the microstructures just by looking at historical best bid and offer. The green line is the historical best bid and the red is the best offer. This is the current market here as you can see with the dashed lines and this is the last traded volume here. I'll get into that in just a minute. Why is this an advantage? Well, now we can start to understand a little bit of the microstructure of what occurred here. So for example, look at the microstructure up here. We saw the initial move to the upside. Little bit of sideways action, breakdown, come right back up and test that microstructure and that's where we didn't accept. That's where we sold off. We're gonna see this in the order flow and book map and you're gonna see an advantage here. So we'll cover it as I continue to add more information on. So let's take a look at the volume. I'm gonna turn on the volume dots and here we go and I can already see the selling down here and here. So we're gonna go over the order flow here, the tape, reading the tape here. So what are these dots showing me? You can see the pie display of the dot with green and red. It gives you the overall shape of the delta of the volume. So that one dot here, for example, this one, shows that there's more selling than buying here. Now let me click on the hand tool, hover over this dot and we're gonna zoom in very quickly without using the zoom in and zoom out tools here. We're just gonna use our center mouse wheel and zoom right in. Note how that dot now, that was pretty big in size which represented lots of trades is now being broken up into several dots. So and I continue to zoom in here and here's what really occurred at down at millisecond level. Look at the trading activity here. So quite a lot of action. I can see in my column, my data columns over here, there's 291 contracts that traded here within less than a second. So I'm sorry, let's see here, 4307. Yeah, 4307. So you can see how quickly and the size is going through here in the S&P, it's a pretty amazing instrument but we can continue to zoom in here as well. And we can actually, we have unlimited zoom in book map. You can continue to zoom in and look at the timeline now. We're down looking at billions of seconds. We're down at nanosecond level. Now, and this is one event here that took place as you can see within this chart range for a volume of three. I know that precise data and that's what book map is showing you is very objectively showing you the data and then how to read that data is really up to you but that's what we cover in the learning process of the order flow in the next webinar. So anyway, let's zoom out now and you can see these are aggressive cells here. Someone hit the market sell button, they took liquidity off of the best bid and the transaction took place. And it's marked here with the dot. Okay, an aggressive buy would be a green dot here on the best offer and we'll see some of those here, right? Okay, as I zoom out, note now, we're still down at millisecond level and you can see just, you know, these are hundreds of trades. Let's zoom out a little bit more and a bit more and now I have the overall shape of what occurred here within the five second period between these two vertical dotted lines. Okay, so we have every single event that took place if you wanna see that detail. As I zoom out, we still capture that detail but display it in an overall kind of aggregated view but the detail is still there. So you can still take a look and let's continue to zoom out and then this is what really occurred, okay? Now we have a much better understanding of what took place here, okay? So this is just the traded volume, right? And the nice cluster of volume up here hovered for a while looking for maybe, you know, continuation to the upside but look how these guys, these buyers up in these areas here. Are now trapped because look at the selling that took place and this is what's lacking in that candlestick chart. We see this nice little microstructural range here. You don't see it in the candlestick and then you can see right here is where we had the flip, okay? Right here is where the sellers took control and they broke down below the swing here. We see a retest, where do we retest to? Right to basically kind of a POC or point of control, a high volume node of this area here, okay? And it failed and it continued to the downside, okay? All of that is lacking here in that candlestick chart, okay? That's the kind of insight that you're getting here just by looking at the traded volume in book map. Now, for those of you guys who are trading from footprint charts, looking at volume profiles as well, you're gonna miss a lot of this action here.  With book map though, you're getting the retest and you're getting two retests of that area here, okay? So you're getting much more insight because we have that unlimited zoom. You can continue to zoom in here and see all the detail, all right? So that's the advantage that you get over a footprint chart by looking at book map. Okay, now that's just the traded data. Let's take a look here at the current market, okay? And now when we go to the current market, we start to access the dome. We wanna understand where the liquidity is in the market, okay? And this is your dome here in book map, okay? This is the COB column, the current order book, all right? And you can see the liquidity at these price levels, okay? So here's your best bid and offer here, okay? Here's your depth on the offer and your depth on the bid. And this is the lit book, okay? This is the current book right now in the S&P, okay? This window here is the same current book. It's just displayed graphically, okay? And this is the last traded volume. Now, what's great about the dome is you can see the liquidity, okay? You see the depth of market, okay? And this is insightful because you wanna know where larger traders are lined up and if they mean business, they wanna trade here, well, then we're gonna be heading up to 2490 to test that area because there's almost 1700 contracts up here, all right? And that's good. However, the problem here with this dome is it's fleeting. As soon as these numbers change and they're changing, you can see them changing now. They're changing all the time. So what was the liquidity previously? You'd have to remember it. You don't know, that has now been updated and you have no record of what previously occurred, okay? And that's a problem because you don't have that advantage of understanding what really unfolded in the auction, right? It's the action that took place outside of the traded volume here and that's what we're gonna access here, okay? So I'm gonna turn on the heat map, okay? This is how we display that historical depth of market, okay? So this is your dome, that's a historical. And let me explain here, all right? So for example, this 2490, 1572 contracts here, okay? This is the brightest area right now in the book, okay? This, the heat map is a graphical representation of the liquidity in the book. So brighter areas are more liquidity, okay? Here they are on the bid at 87 and a quarter. And these are the two highest areas in the book at the moment. Now, you can adjust for that with the heat map, contrast configurations here. We can bring up the brightness, we can bring down the large size. I mean, you can see that we can really look at a lot of detail. It's up to you. What view helps you the most? And your trading methods, okay? For me, I just like to kind of see an overview. I like to see some of the liquidity here that is a little bit lower, but I wanna see where the majority of the larger players are, okay? Where they're providing liquidity. And you can see we're channeling between those two areas right now, okay? So in the live book, when these numbers change here, you'll see the heat map change, okay? Now where it gets interesting is to the left of this vertical white line here. All of this data is captured and then projected onto the chart, okay? Historically. So now we can read how this auction unfolded. Look how these guys up here, they pulled their liquidity last moment here on the offer, okay? These striations in the, let me zoom in just a little bit. These striations in the map, for example, let's just look at this one here, okay? This is the adding and pulling of liquidity, okay? So in fact, we can use the data tip tool. We can hover over these areas and I can show you exactly what was here on the ask. You get the date, the time, and then what was on the ask at this price level, okay? So this shade of gray represented at this time, 1269 contracts, okay? And then it got darker. So they actually pulled 20, okay? And that's what that represents here, okay? And it went down to 1249, okay, 1250, okay? So where this gets interesting is starting to ascertain the intent of these traders in the auction. So these guys up here, they didn't really want to trade because they pulled their liquidity as price came up toward them, all right? And you can see that we came up into this area and then fell back down and then they jumped back in, right? So they really didn't want to trade and now they're just holding their place in line here at this price level because they may make their decision to trade later but they want to be the first in line. It's a FIFO market, first in, first out, okay? Now let's read the behavior here and you can see that actually they got pretty aggressive here. As price started to move away, they actually lowered their offer down to this 2490 level, a couple of ticks and then they're even one tick lower than that right now, okay? So still we need to, when price comes up toward them is what we really want to measure but we can see that they're getting a little more aggressive, right? And this is bearish, okay? So the intent in the auction is showing bearish activity. That's some nice insight here, okay? That would be rather challenging to get from the dome, right? So that's how Bookmap can help you understand what's going on here in the auction and look at these guys down here at 87 and a quarter. They're staying in the book. It's the same number basically, we're looking at 1300 contracts and something. Now we're up at 14, so actually adding in a little bit here. So they're starting to get interested, okay? Now we need to see what occurs when we come down into this area, okay? And to me, it actually looks like, well, just reading a little bit of the order flow. Let me take the candlesticks off for a moment here and let's just jump in and start to read some of the order flow like we do in the advanced analysis webinar, all right? So we're channeling between these two high areas of liquidity. They are getting more aggressive. We've read that in the intent and these guys down here, they're staying right in the book, okay? And actually they're adding into it, okay? But what about the other areas around it, okay? They're not raising the bid, they're not getting more aggressive, they're just staying here, okay? So when we see activity like that, this is like a target, okay? The market's attracted to this area. It's understood, it's digested this information. It knows that there are buyers here in the auction. Now, if we see some more aggressive traders jump in here and start to front run this 87 and a quarter or 87 and a half or 88, that's gonna skew the auction, okay? Let's not get technical about this, just think of it like a farmer's market or like an auction for an automobile. And think of buyers and sellers. This is where the market is being made, okay? The majority of it is down here at 87 and a quarter, all right? Market knows it can trade there. It's already digested that, okay? No, it can find sellers up here at 2490. And but without analogy, think of what if there were other, you know, buyers that got a little impatient down here and they started to bid up, okay? And with large size, what would that mean in an auction? You would mean there's interest and they might start to bid up the price and price might start to react and move away from it. It will be repelled by that auction, okay? And that would be new information. And we'll see a skew here unfold and we can read it, right? But and then we might get a flip or a change in the order flow and then we have maybe, we break to a new level and we have volume and acceptance in that new level, all right? So the important thing here is that, we can read the intent of the traders, okay? And we also see the commitment of those traders with the traded volume, okay? So in fact, we were, well, we read the order flow over here and we can see the, you know, more trading taking place here kind of at a lower low. Be honest, it is rather difficult to read in this area here because it's just kind of sideways and there we actually just kind of went sideways but I also see nice cluster here, okay? Yeah, this is not the easiest to read. This is a little bit clearer here at this point. Nice volume down here. What kind of volume? Selling volume, okay? Look at the retest up here. What kind of volume up here? Well, it's very little and the aggressive buying here is tiny compared to what occurred down here. So the market can come down here again and it knows it can trade here and it has price discovery to the downside and that's what's unfolded here, okay? And now we might get a flip of that right now in fact because look what's occurring here, okay? I see more aggressive buying starting to take place up outside of this little micro range, okay? Up into above this 2489, right? And what kind of volume is it? There's a little bit more aggressive buying here, okay? That bodes well for price discovery to up into this 2490 area here, okay? So we'll see if we get a retest of that here. And then where would we be going? Well, areas of liquidity. First 2490 and these guys might step back in here at this 90 and a half, all right? So anyway, that's some of the process that we go through and once you guys have gotten familiar with the software, what it offers, understanding, right clicking in some of these columns to be able to change the different types of data that you're looking at and you can look at volume, trade counter, quotes counter. You can format each column into many different ways. Basically a very, very configurable any way that you want really for the dome and the volume and other data types, okay? There's many features as well here under studies configuration. Play around with these, ask questions, watch some of the features and components videos and then I would recommend giving it a shot, giving it a trial, it's 14 days and see if this is something that works for you, all right? All right guys, well thanks for coming and we'll see you in the next webinar if you're in trial. Okay, bye-bye.


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All right, so let's get started. And, well, this, I remember the last in-person meeting I've been to in North America was the Wasm Summit at Google campus. And this is the first post-pandemic conference, in-person conference. I went to Asia in the middle and attended a bunch of conferences. This is the first one in the US. That's so glad to be back. And finally, I see everyone face-to-face. Well, so let's dive right into it, what we are talking about. And the first is why. Why do we need to manage WebAssembly in Kubernetes tools? And this is a picture I often use for, I like to use this. I didn't draw that. IBM OpenWisks drew it. And they talk about the evolution of cloud or server-side technologies. So it starts from bare metal. And I still remember the days when data centers have your own dedicated servers. You do the iris scan or do the fingerprint scan to go there. And you can actually find where your software is on those servers. That provides, use hardware to isolate software. It's by the level of abstraction. And then virtual machine come along. And it becomes cloud. And it becomes containers. And now we are at the new age of deploying functions. You know, I think, as Ralph had said, and Liam had said earlier today, that this represents a new level of abstraction. It's the abstraction, the separation from infrastructure code to the business logic code, which is something that people on the server side on the back end has always strived to. So I think to have the infrastructure completely abstracted the way and for developers to only write functions is one of the major step forward. So I think this is one of the big, the context of my talk. So we have this mask and said, serverless, why do we do serverless? We want to make servers great again. So I have this here. And if you guys want it, I have quite a few. So everyone wants it when they get it. So we want to do serverless. The reason we want to do serverless is to make server side programming or back end programming easier. However, there is still a dark cloud on the horizon, so to speak. Is that to say, people say, today, most serverless functions or function as a service functions are implemented using what we call micro-VM or Dockerlike containers. So you are essentially running the function inside an inside application container. And just to think about the work you have to go through to run a function. So the function is 1020 line of JavaScript code. You have to start Docker or the micro-VM and start operating system in it, start Node.js, and run 10 lines of code, and then shut it all down. It's not a very effective way of using system resources. And so here are two graphs. Again, those are not mine. Those are what people have done the measurements. When Datadog presented this graph to say, half of lambda functions finish less than 800 milliseconds. My reaction is, really half of the lambda functions took more than 800 milliseconds. It seems very long. It seems 0.0 second. If you are into the JAMstack application paradigm, that's all of the same. You'd think each web page would have 10, 20 different microservices on the back end. And if each one of them takes a second, it's a very long time. So even with what we call mega-cloud in supersized data centers, we are still facing the problem of code start and things like that. And that spells problem for having the serverless paradigm available everywhere on the network's edge and on edge devices. So even in today's mega data center, we have problems. So what we want is a lighter application container or something that is significantly smaller and faster than Docker-like application containers to run those lightweight functions. So we don't have to go through all the process of starting Docker, operating system, starting Node.js, and run everything. So maybe the answer is WebAssembly. That's why we are here. That's why we have a cloud-native bosom data. Could WebAssembly become a container? So at the time, there's talk on the internet to say, maybe WebAssembly is going to be replacing Docker or become the next Docker. But it's probably not because WebAssembly as of today or maybe for a long time wouldn't provide the same kind of developer experience that Docker would give you, which is to give you an operating system, and you can do whatever you want in there. However, what we think is more likely to happen is to have WebAssembly running side by side with Docker. So you would have, for lack of a better word, a service mesh or something like that. That's something that is managed by, say, Kubernetes or some other framework. And it can start Docker for some workload, and it can start WebAssembly for some other workload. It depends on what kind of workload you have and where do you want to deploy it. So this is the main focus of the talk, is to use WebAssembly as a container. Use WebAssembly itself as a container. But not to replace Docker, but to go where Docker cannot go, or Docker is too heavy to go. So I want to tell you a little bit about what is the framework or what is the shameless plug for the project I'm involved in. It's called Wasm Edge. It's a WebAssembly runtime that is optimized for cloud-native applications. And I want to talk a little bit about why it makes Wasm Edge such a good fit for microservices or as a serverless container. So one of the key features it has LVM based AOT, so it's one of the fastest, I wouldn't say it's the fastest, because there are different workloads, different VMs, different characteristics. But in a lot of benchmarks, we come up top. So it's one of the fastest WebAssembly VMs on the market with AOT compilation. And we do custom extensions, because when you talk about things like you want to run it as a microservice, you need networking capabilities inside the VM. So to have network socket support is a must-have. To have asynchronous polling is a must-have, although WebAssembly doesn't have multisread yet. But so does JavaScript. JavaScript doesn't have multisread either, right? So, but JavaScript support asynchronous as we already experienced from Node.js find out that that is appropriate for a lot of use cases. So have a synchronous polling and have things like AI inference, like a quad to TensorFlow, and to have database connectors and things of that nature. And one of the other things that we put a lot of focus on is to provide first-class JavaScript support. I think we are reaching a consensus from multiple talks today, from the Shopify talk, and it's that we want to compile the JavaScript runtime into WebAssembly and then run JavaScript inside that runtime. And people keep asking, why? Why do you do that? Isn't JavaScript already in some kind of runtime using Node.js and V8 design for that? Yes, it is. You can run it in V8, but V8 is never designed as a container, right?  So the role of WebAssembly is, WebAssembly plus a JavaScript runtime replaces the Docker plus operating system plus Node.js plus V8, right? So that's so. And by having a lightweight JavaScript implementation, by the way, the work we have done so far is also based on QuickJS, because QuickJS is easy to understand JavaScript implementation. We can provide ways for WebAssembly to supplement JavaScript, meaning that we could have JavaScript APIs but implemented in Rust, right? So in a JavaScript application, you may want to do something like image processing, but instead of using interpreted JavaScript to process the image, you could have a Rust function on the back end to provide this functionality pretty much the same way you use C++ functions to extend V8, right? So, you know, so we, so WebAssembly provides a lot of those JavaScript support. We are gonna give you a link later in the talk, you know, to talk about those. And then there's management features, which is the focus of the remainder of the talk, is that we made WebAssembly OCI compliance runtime, meaning that it can be managed by SystemD and C-group FS. You know, meaning at the process level, you can allocate resources to it. And there was also an excellent question earlier today, is to do we have finally, you know, more finely-grained, you know, resource allocation for WebAssembly runtime, because WebAssembly runtime are lighter, so you may not want to, you know, just provide, you know, resources as a process level. You may want to provide resources at a threat level, right? You know, this is a page we borrowed from the blockchain people, which is what they call gas meters, right? You know, that's, essentially, you give each WebAssembly opcode or instruction a gas value, and then say, when you start this VM, I would allocate, say, a million gas, and then, you know, then it would compute how many instructions it went through after it's exhausted all the gas, it stops, right? You know, so you can even get people to pay you based on gas, they can pre-buy those gas as credit, and then, you know, and they use that. You know, this, we have this, we have this gas support building to our C API, Go API and Rust API. I believe WasmTime also have it. You know, it's, if you look into their Rust API, they actually have something called, I forgot the name, they didn't call it gas, but it's a very similar concept. So those are some of the unique features that what I would say, that's made Wasm Edge, you know, appropriate VM for cloud native applications. Well, I skipped the use cases, so we can go right to how, you know, how we do that, how we make a WebAssembly workload run side by side with Docker workload in Kubernetes cluster, right? We have three approaches, and some of, you know, I would be focused, I would mostly focus on number one because this is the approach that we took. The other two approaches is one that you have heard from the end group. They have a WebAssembly runtime that manages, I think the last time they told me it's 500,000 machines, 500,000 machines in their data center, right? You know, that's, and they use container DCM. And then there's the excellent work Microsoft have done with Crosslet, you know, but the way we did it is that we have, we made our entire runtime compliant with OCI. So what does it mean? So what does, what is OCI compliant runtime? So this is, I think, you know, all of you are very familiar with this graph, right? You know, that you have Docker and Kubernetes at the top, and then you have a container runtime interface, it's CRI. And underneath that, you have different runtimes. And it all goes down to a couple of, you know, a container runtimes called Run-C, typically Run-C, C-RUN, you know, that's, and from those binary applications actually start the container, right? It's, this approach is actually not unique to us. You know, a lot of people have done it. You know, so there's Run-C, which is a goal-based container runtime, it's called means Run container.    You know, so some of them are application containers, some of them are not, and run application containers in different places. So the work that we have done is to, is to fork C-RUN and we, you know, and we are trying to merge it upstream, but still in the process of that, right? You know, so, so the work on our side is mostly done. It's, we call this tool C-RUN-W, and there's a GitHub link there. So it's based on C-RUN, but it has some logic in it to detect whether we are running a Docker container or we are running a WebAssembly image. If it's a WebAssembly image, it's load the, you use the OCI interface to load the WebAssembly image and then run it. And so it's C-RUN-W means based on C-RUN, but runs WebAssembly, right? So it's, like I said, it utilizes the CRIO and Kubernetes extensible architecture. You know, Kubernetes and CRIO are both set up to allow you to add your own customer runtimes. So instead of using C-RUN, we replace the C-RUN binary with our build here. That allows, you know, that's because this is a dropping C-RUN replacement. It runs Docker containers just like C-RUN does, and it's also runs WebAssembly. So it allows us to run Docker and WebAssembly side by side in the same cluster environment.  So it's with all the Docker semantics would work. You can pull the image and then you can start and you can run, right? You know, so that's, and it supports the resource allocations through C-Google FFS and the system D. There's a video, which I don't think we should play it here, but you know, it goes through the whole process because as we know, anything related to Docker and Kubernetes take a long time to demo.  So, you know, but I walk through the main steps here. So from the first part, you can see this is to create a Docker image. The Docker image has no operating system. It just has a WebAssembly file. That is the OCI compliant, so to speak, OCI compliant WebAssembly application that being packaged in the container format and can be stored and pulled from the Docker Hub, right? So we publish to Docker Hub. And then we use the CRIO command line tool. It's CRI, CRI CTL. And we can pull that from the, well, before we get to this step, we have already replaced the C-ROM binary in the CRI, in our CRIO installation with our build of the C-ROM W binary, right? You know, so there's a slash being slash C-ROM. And we replace that binary with the binary that we have built to make it aware of the different type of container images. So we can just do things the way that you normally would do with Docker images. You can pull them and you can run them. You can create a pod and then you can run them. And it would just start the container. It would run that WebAssembly application. That WebAssembly application happens to be a WASI application that they read something from the command line and then generate some output, print out through the command line. And you can see all the results in the logs, right? You know, so that's a easy way to test it, right?  So now we go to the next step. We want to build, you know, we want to use this modified CIO to build a Kubernetes cluster. However, in order to do that, we need a WebAssembly application that is long running, meaning that we need a WebAssembly application that's in itself act as a microservice. There's no Docker around it. There's no Docker or another host application around it. That WebAssembly application, when you start, it should listen to the network and respond to the network. And that requires us to support the WASI socket specification. And the WASI socket specification, as I understand it, has been fairly slow. So, you know, different teams have come up with different ways to do it. You know, that's what we did as well. That's a growth out of necessity. That's because we need to have this run in a Kubernetes environment. So we must have a microservice that can listen to the HTTP network. So we have, so I'm going to demonstrate two ways to do it. The first is just to use our Rust API. And because this is not a W3C standard, so we can't just use the standard Rust API to create network connection or socket yet. We have to, as you can see, we have to import WASIM edge WASI socket for the TCP listeners and TCP stream and things of that nature. But once you have it, the main application becomes fairly simple. You know, this looks just like, you know, how would you write a web server in Rust, right?  And the function that doesn't work is called handle client. And the code is here, you know, this, those screenshots are the entire application. You know, the entire application just have this much code, right? You know, so if you look at the handle client, it basically, you know, gets the input HTTP and pass out, you know, decoded and pass out different elements from it. And then it generates a response. And this response is basically just to echo back the body, right? You know, so if the post request has a body and then, you know, from the command line, from the command line that you run the server, it would just echo back the command, it would just echo it back. So that's a very simple Rust-based HTTP server that runs inside WASIM edge. And that allows us to have a long running WASIM edge instance that can be managed by Kubernetes, can be started by our modified version of CRON, right? CRON W. And then the second way to do it, it's probably what most people would do. And as I think we heard it again and again today that people want to use JavaScript, especially Java developers, and especially web developers, they want to use JavaScript. So the way we did is that in our, in the JavaScript runtime that runs inside WASIM edge, we used, like I just said, we can use Rust to implement JavaScript APIs. So meaning that we can define a JavaScript API that is available to JavaScript developers. But when the JavaScript program calls it, it actually calls the underlying Rust program to execute it, all inside of WASIM edge, right? You know, so taking that, you know, Rust-based SDK, we can make it into a JavaScript API called HTTP server. So this, so all the Rust code becomes this couple lines of JavaScript code. And so it's just a started HTTP server. And then, you know, and for the sake of simplicity, I'm showing it as a blocking example, right? You know, so it's just an infinite loop. It keeps getting the request, and once you get the request, it sped out the body. And it's in the, yeah, so, but I also said, there's another work that we did with WASI is to support asynchronous polling. So we can do that in a way that is asynchronous, both using JavaScript, async, or using Rust futures. So both of those are supported as well. But, you know, here we are, you know, showing a very simple JavaScript example. That's only, I'd say, less than 10 lines of code, 10 lines of code. You know, that's, and it starts a container as, you know, it's, this experience goes very similar to, it strongly reminds me of the old days of Java, right? You know, that's when you have a JVM. You use JVM to do an application server. You do exactly this, right?  You know, that's, so we are, we are evolving towards that stage at WebAssembly as well, so. So on Kubernetes, once we have the CRIO setup and the C-RUN in CRIO setup, and also the, the WebAssembly-based microservices, that's the long running setup, we can now set up Kubernetes, and it's become really simple, you know, you just, in a standard Kubernetes setup, you can pass the argument, say the container runtime, right? You put container runtime as a remote and then point it to CRIO. Or in Minicube, you know, that's probably easier to do. You just say, you know, container runtime CRIO, and then it would find the CRIO, the modified CRIO runtime on the pod machine, and then start it, and then use that to go to Docker Hub or to go to an image repository to get the WebAssembly image and run it, right?   You know, that's, so they would predict that and put that on the box, right? You know, and from those boxes, they can act as a distributed CDN and serve a lot of clients, but that box essentially only has a cell phone chip in it. It has an ARM 7 chip in it. So, before WebAssembly, they used to run Docker on it, and this device can run four dockers, and they serve four big enterprise customers, you know, something of that nature, right? So, now they can, with WebAssembly, they can run a lot more. So, you know, so there are CDN network testing, and there's, you know, there are other, you know, cloud providers that does sidecar runtime, you know, that's managed by Kubernetes and doing service mesh using the work that we have done. So, well, so then, the first approach is our approach, right? And then the second approach, really, is run wasmaps as container Dshams. That's what one of the previous talk has, you know, has talked about, right? You know, there's, you know, that's Ali and, and, and financial, so I'll skip over that. And then the third approach, which I saw also was very, very interesting is the cross-led approach. Obviously, we have experts here, you know, people who have developed that, you know, so I wouldn't assume my ignorance, you know, so if you have questions about cross-led, you know, so you can ask the experts. So beyond Kubernetes, you know, that's, so we now have a way to run what I would say wasm workload in a Docker-like fashion, in a Kubernetes-like cluster, you know, that's a, so beyond the regular Kubernetes, what are the other use cases? There are, obviously, there are quite a few Kubernetes variations for edge computing and I think all three, there's four. The top three are all in CNCFs today, you know, those are all what they call Kubernetes for the edge, right? Cubed edge, super edge, open-yell.  So that's one of the areas that we thought our approach could be really interesting because that's, because underneath of them, they all use C wrong or wrong C, you know, now we change that to C wrong W. And then, of course, there are, you know, service mesh. In service mesh, there are two strong use cases. One is just to use the WebAssembly runtime or the WebAssembly application as a sidecar application, you know, so the WebAssembly provide microservices itself, right, you know, so we have examples that we have done with Dapper, you know, that's, you know, there's KStudy published that on InfoQ and you can look at that and, you know, there's multiple ways to do it, how to integrate that into the sidecar, right? You know, that's, you can have a host application that use sidecar SDK or you have, you know, wasm edge application running by itself. And then, of course, there are, you know, there's active collaboration that we want to pursue are, you know, those sidecar runtimes that managed by Kubernetes, you know, natively managed by Kubernetes like LinkerD, right? You know, those are the things that we are, you know, we are very actively looking at, try to integrate. Then, on service mesh, there's other side of the story, which is the traffic proxy, you know? So, in the service mesh, you have those sidecars, but then you have proxies to direct traffic to the sidecars, right? And there is a growing trend, I think, started from Envoy is to have, is to make a web assembly into a scripting language for the proxy replacing Lua, right?  So, this is also a very interesting area that we find, you know, that's, it's not directly related to Kubernetes, but it's tangentially related, right? Then, of course, you know, as earlier speakers has also spoke to, you know, there's also a growing need to run web assembly directly on devices. That's, you know, that's where web assembly become really interesting because there's different implementation of web assembly, they all have different characteristics. Some of them are really small. That's, like I said earlier, talking about running web assembly on camera, right? You know, but for larger systems, that's increasingly popular, for instance, autonomous cars or smart factories, that's, they all have not regular Linux, but real-time Linux operating systems, and they all need containers. I think Wind River, you know, as a VxWorks guys published something called VxWorks containers, I think a couple of months ago, and they were talking about using container technology in fighter jets, right? I have seen Toyota using containers in their, using Docker containers in their next-generation cars. Just think about it, using Docker in cars. You know, that's Docker controlling something as vital as autonomous driving, right? You know, that's, you know, in my opinion, this is not a good fit. You know, there's a much better fit, which is, you know, that's to have a much more abstract and lighter runtime that's based on web assembly. So on that ground, we work with a project, also a Linux foundation project called CELFOR, and that's a formally verified real-time micro-carnal system. And it's, I think it's being adopted by quite a few, you know, autonomous driving companies, and, you know, electric car companies. CELFOR is based in Australia, and, you know, it's users, a lot of them are in Asia. And the US military as well, they have to put it on the drones and, you know, things like that.  This is another use case, you know, that's, so it's not directly related to Kubernetes, but that's also something, when you run it in a real-time operating system, you also need an orchestration solution. And is Kubernetes gonna be, or a modified version of Kubernetes, or something else would be part of the solution. It's also something that we are very interested in exploring. Yeah, so then, I think I pretty much covered that.  You know, when data comes in, we want to react to it. You know, like Connor just said, right? You do create a reactor framework.  Maybe that's the way, you know, maybe that's the orchestration solution for a lot of those applications. So, yeah, that's, I think I'm right on time, yeah. So, if there's any questions, yeah. Hi, everybody, so we're back here. Are there any questions before we move on to the lightning talk? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, the upstream is C wrong. So, we want to merge back to C wrong. However, as you might imagine, it needs convincing, right? You know, because, you know, we need to tell, we need to tell the C wrong developers why you need to support WebAssembly. So, and we are trying to talk to them, try to, you know, that's why we come to meetings like this, right? You know, try to get consensus. Make sure that's on. So, we're gonna go ahead and have Oscar come up, but while we do that, because Oscar, go ahead, while we do that, while we're here, let's ask one or two more questions. On the virtual stream, you may get cut off, I'm not really sure. But, so there was another question over here. Right, so the question is, how would a developer take advantage of the custom extensions that we bake into WebAssembly Edge? So, for all the extensions that we have, we must first have a Rust SDK, then we attempt to have a JavaScript SDK as well. So, for developers, you know, that's, in a way it breaks the compatibility with Rust, with WebAssembly, because once they use our Rust SDK to build application and compile into Rust, it would not work on another runtime, because the other runtime doesn't have the host functions. But that's also why we are here, that's why we want to standardize it, right? You know, that's all. Okay, well, thank you very much. Go ahead and unplug, and we'll.