love that thumbnail.  Hi, my name is Jamie Higginbotham. This is Lighting Off Steam. If this is your very first Lighting Off Steam, know that this is not one of our normal, highly produced shows where there's like a script and everything. This is just us hanging out for a while for however long makes sense. These happen randomly at any day of the week at any time. And so this is something that you're kind of interested in and you just want to hang out and talk about science, technology, engineering, and arts and math. Then make sure to subscribe and hit that notification bell on YouTube because yeah. Yeah. And who's it? Joel1234. Love hanging out for a while. Me too. Mark. Hello. Steph. Hello. Welcome to another Lighting Off Steam. It's great to see everyone. It's going to be, I think, fun. And I will say that I have had an eventful week and I expect it to be more eventful. Hello, Jeff. Hello, Terence. Hello, Thomas. And so, yeah, I'm a little bit stressed out and I really, literally wanted to let off some steam and so I thought it'd be fun to just kind of hang out. I thought I would kind of like clarify where the shows are at really quick and then I also wanted to talk about Space Launch System. Hello, Ajax. Space Launch System because I learned something about Space Launch System for there or specifically about SLS communities, I guess. So about the shows, we're trying to do a Lighting Off Steam once per week. Ideally, Jeff, I can't wait till Starship flies either. Ideally with different hosts so you get to like talk with all of us. Maybe it'll just be a casual conversation like this. Maybe it'll be like games. Like, it could be anything that they want to do. Like, I want to have like, I think it'd be fun to just play like space board games with people. It's almost kind of like a Will Fuyten's board game show but like space themed. So that's Lighting Off Steam. Again, once per week, random times and days that way, no matter where you are in the world, hopefully at least one of them lines up for you. Then we've got Space News. We try to do those once per week. This week I actually canceled Space News, which you probably figured out by now. And I canceled it because I didn't really see really great compelling stories that we could do in a good way.  So I opted to kill Space News this week. We will hopefully come back next week, although frankly my schedule is to get a bit like, it's a bit hectic. So we'll see. And then there's the interview show, which that's kind of been the staple of tomorrow slash this week cast for a number of years. And it's never really landed very well. And so I've been contemplating the idea of killing the interview show. I don't think that's where I am anymore. I might move it to monthly instead. I'm not sure yet. I'm making no decisions. But I'm kind of in a, you know, it's the least, it's the most expensive thing we produce by a large margin is one of the least popular things that we produce by a pretty large margin. And it doesn't, it just doesn't get the positive anything that the news and letting off steam seem to get. So if we're putting all this money and effort into our interview shows, one would argue why. One thing that's keeping me on board is that I don't mind a good loss leader. And I think that they are important. And I think it is nice to be able to go back to someone like Peter Beck. We had Peter back on before they had ever flown the electron rocket and being able to listen to kind of some of that vision and bring them back from time to time and listen to how things progress. So we get an idea is almost kind of these historic moments captured. And I think there is, I think there is something to be said for that. So I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not going to really do anything in 2019. I'm going to sit on it for a while and see what makes sense. But just so you know what's going through my head, I learned something about SLS. So yeah, you guys have already started talking about SLS. And so Jeff says, I think SLS needs to be canceled and you space that super heavy. So here's the thing. So here's what I found out. I found out there is a space launch system subreddit that is like legit and active, which I don't know why I didn't know that. And I don't know why I didn't consider that. And I'm not entirely sure why this is the case, but that kind of blew my mind. I was like, Oh my gosh, there's an active thriving community over space launch system. That got me to thinking about SLS and like what it is and why someone would be excited about it. Because to me, it's not exciting. It's very old technology that was kind of forced down everyone's throat by Congress. So it was interesting to see kind of that side of it. And I was kind of reading, I don't think I can ever post on the space launch system subreddit. I'm pretty sure I will burst into flames and the subreddit will also burst into flames if that were to happen. But some interesting things that were kind of brought up consider like there's like even in our chat here, right? There was talk about like what just use super heavy, right? Use SpaceX. Why do we need space launch system at all? First off, there's something to be said for redundancy of provider. Hi, Lisa. So having space launch system and SpaceX and Blue Origin, so if something happens to one of those rockets, we still have super super heavy lift capability into space. That seems smart and important to me, right? Not just having one. The thing is, do you need three? Would we be okay with just SpaceX and just Blue Origin? So I mean, we'll get a good idea as to how far Jeff says solid rocket booster is not very good for the ozone layer. You know, I'm not sure any of these rockets are really great for the environment when you think about it, right? Like we could, you could make that argument a multitude of different ways. I'm not sure. Chris says, hi, Jamie from Minnesota. I am originally from Minnesota. In fact, Space Vacance started in Minnesota. We were recently up at the Minnesota State Fair, which was a lot of fun. Jules says the solid rocket boosters could be replaced and hello, Harry Stranger, and thank you for being a member. So I'm not sure the solid rocket boosters can be replaced in that they are mandated by Congress. Are they not? Right? So like, that's, that's a thing that they're required to use legally. And that's part of my gripe with the Space Launch System is the engineers didn't design it, Congress designed it, and Congress doesn't know how to design a rocket, as proven by it having solid rocket motors. And actually, I'm not anti solid rocket motors. I really am not. I think there is a time and a place for SRBs. And I am actually not saying that they don't belong on Space Launch System. What I am saying is that it is the job of the engineer to make that determination and not the job of some external factor trying to save jobs to make that determination. And that's my big gripe with using solids there. Maybe it is the best thing. And maybe it does make sense for that rocket. Yeah, and Jules 1234 said there's also there to help keep an industry for the tech of our ICBMs. That makes sense. Steph says redundancy is fine, but distribute the resources a bit better. Right now, SLS, it's $2 billion a year while Starship gets zero. Yeah. So I think that's my other gripe with the Space Launch System. It is so over budget. It is so behind the times. And it seems like a series of missteps from Boeing. If we want to continue with Space Launch System, I am of the opinion that it should be awarded to new people. Take it out of going like they clearly can't manage it. They clearly can't deal with it. Give it to someone else. That is way easier said than done. Right. I mean, they've already done the tooling, which is the big expensive part. Like you can't just give it to another body, but we also shouldn't just let the company take advantage of you that way. Yeah. Yeah. Who was it? Was it Steph that just said, if you want actual redundancy, don't funnel everything into one rocket? Yeah. I mean, that's not wrong either. It would be nice if blue or SpaceX or someone else was received a little bit of funding to figure that out. Oh, and Mark, that's a good point. Some NASA contractors appear to be trying to kill the Lunar Gateway, which kind of makes sense a little bit because if you don't have the Lunar Gateway, all of a sudden you need a bigger SLS, right? So that big, huge cash cow that you already have the contract for becomes an even bigger cash cow. I'm not a fan of that. I mean, interesting, right? I could be wrong, but interesting. If you do like the Space Launch System and you are interested in it, I will say that the Space Launch System subreddit was really well done. They thought about a lot of stuff. There was a bit of hating on Starship and a lot of distrust there, I would say. I don't think that's founded, but when you think about what Space Launch System is and when you think about where it's been and where it's going, that's kind of all you can stand on really at that point.  I suppose they've been metal. That's not fair. That's not fair. That's not fair. It's funny, but it's not fair. It's a little fair, but it's not a lot fair. And yeah, that was, I was thinking about SLS today while I was wiring up gear and hurting my hands and doing stuff. Fun fact, you can usually tell how stressed I am. And if you ever have access to a SpaceX and you get to see the video control room, you can see my level of stress based on how clean the room is. If the room is nice and pristine, that means that everything's good, systems are working as expected, and I had a moment to go through and clean everything up. However, if it's a lot like right now, it's a disaster zone in there and it's glass on two walls, so it's hard to hide. And yeah, Lisa says, when are you going to clean up the cables in Station 204? If you think that looks bad, you should see the video control room at X right now. It's like an equipment explosion. There's gear scattered everywhere. And yeah, I'm pulling out all stops and facing this way. And Carrie Ann came down. Say hi. Hi. There she is. I might be able to con her on camera later. She says maybe. The title said Jamie and Carrie Ann. She says that's my fault. Lisa says, I bet Raphis, please. He actually hasn't seen it yet. He won't. It will get cleaned up hopefully soon. It's like I have shipment dates, right? I need to send all of this stuff down to Boca and I got to do it by a certain time, otherwise it's not going to make it there in time. Or we're going to have to spend an absurd amount of money on like overnight shipping. So trying to get it done. I like my deadline was today and it wasn't done. So my next deadline is tomorrow by 11 a.m. Pacific and that's not going to happen either. So this is fun. I'll be working all weekend. Yay. It is pretty cool though. I will say that like I can see it coming together in my mind's eye and I can see how all of this is going to like link and it is like, how do I, I have to be very careful when I'm talking about stuff like this. I'll just say that I've left myself the flexibility to do, flexibility to do anything that we might need last minute and it's pretty cool to have that flexibility because now that I've built it this one time, I get to keep it. Your cargo? Oh, thank you. There was a software update for my car. Also, I have shoot. So yeah, my car needs a software update and I have shoes that require a software update. So that's normal human things. I am excited for tomorrow because tomorrow I get my new Apple watch with the always on display, which would be nice. And I will get my new iPhone with the better camera, which you know, as a video nerd, very cool. And I was excited for slow fees. And that will be the first and last time I use that word. Let's see here. Jeff says, Elon will beat everyone in a rocket design with an awesome team. First off, thanks. Although I didn't really design the rocket. May not be untrue. I'm still not sure. Like I go back and forth on Blue Origin. I'm always like, you know, don't underestimate Blue Origin. And then I talk to people who like kind of work over Blue Origin and they're like, but you know, who knows? I do believe they're going to build it. They're just like, they just take a while. Let's see here. Chris says, Jamie, another idea for what if you add a roving correspond to the interview show, like Rod Pyle or something. And they could bring something new and cool to each show. I think my big gripe with the interview show is that I've asked for years now that it not be a high produced, like show. I want it to be, I think my exact words to everyone are, I want it to be as if you're out having a drink with friends and talking about space, right? A lot more like this. I want it to be a casual and fun conversation where we're just geeking out together and having a good time. That's what the interview show should be. And I asked for that and everyone goes, oh yeah, that makes sense. That's a good idea. And then for some reason, and I can't put my finger on there. It might be that I'm intimidating. That could be it. It could be that there's a certain stature that the set gives us or something. I don't know what it is. As soon as the hosts and the guests show up, it just becomes like this. Everyone just kind of like stiffens up and like goes into like interview mode. Having said that, these last couple of weeks, I think Jared has knocked it out of the park. Like that Marco interview was probably one of my favorite shows. It's definitely my top five ever. I really enjoyed it. I thought it went into a great level of technical detail. I told great stories. It wasn't quite the same as drinking, you know, having drinks and just nerding out over space, but they were definitely nerding out over space. And that's what I want. Like I just want to geek out over space and have fun. I don't understand why we can't quite get that. So yeah, let's hear what else we got. Jewel, we don't have to hate on SLS or New Glenn to Love Starship. Very true. Very true. And actually any super heavy-lift rocket is awesome. Anything that expands our region of the cosmos is a good thing. Jeff says when I was in Los Angeles, I went to Hawthorne and saw the first booster return to earth. I mean, I think you saw the first booster that did return to earth. They didn't. Yeah. Ming says Ben slash Jamie didn't recognize you for a second. Look great. Thank you very much. I've lost a great deal of weight over the last six months. These last few pounds are much harder. They just won't go. This is terrible. Let's see here. I have a name says Jared is doing a great job with the interviews. Yeah, I completely agree. I think he's been doing really, really well. He's been stepping up quite a bit. Like he's been making it happen. And yeah, Jewel 1234 mostly intermittent fasting and hitting the gym. Yeah. So eating right. So making sure that I, you know, not just watch the calories and carbs and whatnot, but like be aware of what I'm putting in my body. No more sugary drinks like no soda. This is bubbly. So the zero across the board for calories and sugars and whatnot. Lots of green things on my plate now. Lots of fish now with the now that can eat fish. I've actually lost lost my fish allergy. So I can eat fish. I can have shrimp. I can have what we tested. We tested shrimp and lobster oyster. We've not touched the caviar, right? Cause that's there doesn't seem like, you know, like what are you doing? I know, but I'm tempted to bring this over and show everyone what you're doing, but I feel like you'd kill me. I will describe what is going on. So she's giggling because I look, so Carrie Anne came home and went upstairs and nicely grabbed your laundry or my laundry. Thanks for that. Uh, her laundry only and her laundry only. And so then she got in like, she got kind of ready for night. And then she came down here and I can't entirely see what she's doing, but her feet are in case in pink plastic things right now. No, give me that. Give me that.  It says baby foot for soft and smooth. Are you like doing a waxing exfoliating thing for your feet? Yes. Yes, she is. Uh, well, you know what we go? Here's the funny thing. Also, is Lisa there? Yes, she is. She bought this for me. Oh, Carrie Anne said that Lisa bought this for her. So you could blame her. I mean, will I be attending Elon's presentation on the 28th? That is one way to word what I will be doing. Sure. Yeah. But I will definitely be present on the 28th. Yep. Is it called milky foot? That one's baby foot. Oh, baby foot.  Yeah. Taking pills for that. Well, this is inappropriate on the bottom. Oh, well, I mean, you can see how that might look inappropriate. Her feet. There you go. This is what she's doing. Just like so. Neat. So, yeah. Gavin says, well done, Jamie. I've lost the equivalent to 37 pounds, which is 17 kilograms. I don't agree with the last few kilograms. I want to lose much harder. Yeah, I'm down 50 pounds, just over 50 pounds. And I think it's 51 pounds since I started. I don't know what the conversion metric is. I should, but yeah. Chris said I enjoyed watching the interview. Ming, any technical snafus, you know, where to cast a blame? Yeah. I'll tell you, Boca is a challenging place to broadcast from. So we'll make it happen, but no, it's because for many reasons that I won't go into, but it's challenging. Let's just say it's challenging from a technical standpoint. It's very technically challenging and very stressful. And I will be very excited. I'm excited for the 28th, but I'm more excited for the 29th. Jewel just asked Tim Dodd, am I right? Yeah, no, we cannot have that. Lisa says, you think Boca is hard. Try the middle of nowhere, New Zealand. Yeah. Might be harder. So, yeah, I have certain challenges that you probably aren't aware of and might become aware of on the presentation day, or if I do my job well, you won't be aware of them. So we'll see. I'm not going to tell you in advance. I'd like to see how well I'm able to mask some of these things. Oh, that's a good point. Trace says 55 pounds or 23 kilograms is a full bag on an international flight. I've lost a full bag. You've lost luggage. I've lost, I've literally lost luggage. I've lost luggage. That's amazing. That's amazing. Ming still love how Elon deflected the earth to earth presentation starting playing twice with the mountain background. Yeah. Yeah. Someday when I'm no longer employed at SpaceX, I have some fun stories with things like that. Terrence thinks I should be on Steam. I'm on Steam. That's what this is. Let's see what else. I think I mentioned iPhones tomorrow, which I'm really excited about. An Apple Watch. I'm actually, yeah.  There won't be rocket exhaust. Oh, I see. Catching up. We were talking about, I get it. So solid boosters going through atmosphere versus like keralocks, methylocks, hydrolox. Well, hydrolox, technically speaking, I suppose a hydrolox engine would not be bad for the environment because water, right? As long as there's no solid boosters, just the hydrolox engine, it should just be making water. Flashy lights, that's fun. Wicked interviews time of day. So I'm talking less live and I'm talking more on demand, right? You look at the on demand viewership of our interviews and they're abysmal. So even if we doubled our live viewership, I don't think that would impact our on demand viewership. Lisa asked, if I could pick any three people to interview, who would I pick? Do they have to be alive? I'm not even sure. I don't actually know what the answer. Let's see here. Steve Jobs would be fun, but I think Johnny Ive might be more fun. I would say Steve Wozniak, but I actually have like I've been, I didn't do the interview proper, but I was part of an interview with Steve Wozniak and he's neat, but so in space, so I don't know if I can pick only three. So in space, I think especially SpaceX. Okay, number one person I want to get is freaking Jeff Bezos from Blue Origin because right, like I've tried for years to get Bezos and I think I just want to, I just want to get his vision of the future and like get an idea as to what they're working on and get an update as to what they're working on. It'd be really awesome. The next person I would like is actually Gwen Shotwell from SpaceX because I think she has an incredible vision. I think she's very well spoken and I think she's the lifeblood of SpaceX. I think she doesn't get nearly enough credit. Everyone kind of thinks of SpaceX and Elon, but like she's the secret sauce there and I would really like to, like if I didn't have any restrictions, I just think that'd be a really great interview. We've, I've talked to Peter Beck. I like Peter Beck. If I hadn't talked to Peter Beck, he'd be on my list. Actually, who else would I want? Again, I would add Johnny Ogg into the list just because I think talking about design and like some of those decisions would be good. You got anyone? Hopefully that's a pretty solid list. Actually getting Tori Bruno back on might be fun. I like him because he's just a genuine human, right? He's just genuinely, I'm not a huge fan. Actually, I think I want to bring on Tori Bruno and beat him up over a smart reuse of their architecture. Like I think smart is the dumbest thing ever. I don't, I don't like smart and I would love an opportunity to just kind of beat him up over smart or be convinced the other way, right? Why am I being dumb, right? One of the, like, I could be wrong. Like, that's how things work. But yeah, Tori's just a fun individual. I think he'd be a lot of fun to bring back on. We've had him on before. Jewel1234, we're talking about the interview show. Could it be done more effectively offline when it's more convenient for more interviewees? I mean, maybe, but like they're just really long shows and I just don't think they're compelling. I just don't think they're compelling, right? So I think the news is compelling. I think letting off steam like a, like a format like this can be kind of fun and quasi compelling. This is definitely a watch once or kind of skip through kind of format, but you know, it's fun. It's community driven. It's not something you'd normally get. Hello, Richard from Chicago, who will watch the replay soon. So there you go. And Lisa says, yeah, to the, could we just record on demand? It lose a little bit of the magic. I think part of the magic of the interviews are the interview shows is you can join in live and that gives you an opportunity to ask your questions. So like we get Jeff Bezos on the air, for example. How often do you have a chance to ask your questions about aerospace to Jeff Bezos? Probably not very often. So there's no guarantee your question is going to make it to air, but at least now you have a chance. You have an opportunity to ask intelligent questions of these guests. And we do push the intelligent questions to a moderated host room. Fun little thing. If you actually, instead of going to the YouTube chat room, if you go to chat.tmro.tv and you chat in that room, it's all the same stuff. You actually see all the YouTube stuff, but you can also see like color codes. And anytime you see one of those things turn blue, that indicates that we have promoted your comment to the host's moderated room. So the hosts can see it on a TV now. Anytime it turns green, you'll see it show up on the lower third banner at the bottom. So you see it turn green. And then a few seconds later, you see it appear on the screen. And anytime it turns red, you've actually generated a full screen graphic of your comment. And the host will probably be talking about it soon. No guarantee they'll talk about it, but usually that's kind of a moment where the control room was like, hey, this is what we're talking about next sort of thing. Mark says larger panel during the interviews might engage more points of view and keep conversations more dynamic. You know, we've tried those two. We've tried those two. We've tried larger panels and everything seems to get stuck at around three to six thousand views somewhere in there. Hello, Simon. And thank you for being a member on YouTube and from Australia. Yeah. And Simon says not caught us live before. And that's why we do letting off steam on different days at different times. So no matter where you are in the world, hopefully at least one of these shows will line up with your schedule so you can do it. So this is the evening in the US. This is not a normal time for us. It's actually pretty late for anyone on the east coast in the US. It would be just just before 11 o'clock, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's like 1054 p.m. Eastern time. So pretty late for Eastern time. Medium for, I guess, us here. Ryan has a senator that forced SLS on NASA. Yeah, that's a thing. Chad Anderson from Space Angels says, Simon, actually, Space Angels Network is a good one in that they might be able to bring on like, like I just think partnering up with them to get good guests or like the name of the show is tomorrow, right? So I like having some of that really forward-looking stuff that you just don't get elsewhere, like way out there. Like I enjoy having some of that stuff this three, five, 10 years out, 20 years out. I think that's okay. And a lot of people are like, oh, that's so far in the future. That's who we are, right? That's what tomorrow is. Like you can get, I'm saying like a lot apparently, you can get, I just noticed myself doing that. You can get history, space history on a multitude of channels. And I'm not saying we should ignore space history, but I don't think we should focus on it because you can get it in a bunch of places. You can get current space stuff also in a bunch of places, but like going, going, you know, one, three, five, 10, I don't want to go so far in the future where we're 100 years, but kind of like, where is this industry actually leading? Like realistic future stuff. And yeah, what they might course correct a little bit, but again, bringing it on Rocket Lab years before they had ever flown. Is that true? Years or year? I think it's years, plural, before they'd ever flown and talking with them and then bringing them on again after they had first flown and then after they've learned, learned some lessons, bring them on again and see how that story changes. See how everything kind of flows and what it took for them to get from scrappy startup to successful launching 100 times a year vision fulfilled kind of thing. Yeah, Lisa says years. We had him in the 2014-15-ish era and the first flight was 2017. Harry says, I've started posting interviews to the NASA spaceflight forums. I'm hoping to bring more community members. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Other things you guys can probably do to help guys in Dallas gender it posting it to Reddit. So I used to post these shows to slash r slash SpaceX back in the day and the community got all huffy puffy over that. And so we stopped. And even when we have SpaceX stories, we still don't post to anywhere on slash r slash SpaceX. We don't post a SpaceX lounge. We don't do any of it because people are like, I don't understand. So especially since I think it was coming from me, the content creator, it feels like they've changed a little bit because you see some Tim Dodd the everyday astronaut stuff up there. Like why it's okay for him to post but not us. I don't know. But I don't know. Also, like we're different and I'm not sure we're different in a good way. So like Tim Dodd does these really great deep dives. And you know, we kind of don't. But like, I don't see us doing a deep dive live. And maybe that's our problem. Maybe we shouldn't be, I don't know. Mark says I like the space tether interview. I'm not, I'm not saying our interview shows are bad. I'm saying that they're not sticky and no one seems to care. And if they're the most expensive thing we do and the hardest thing to produce and take the most amount of time, why in the world are we doing it? Wicked does have a good point is because Tim Dodd does SpaceX, SpaceX, SpaceX and SpaceX, SpaceX content and we don't because the market is bigger than just SpaceX. SpaceX has a lot of stuff. I'm not downplaying what they do. However, they're not going to be the only players in space. Space is huge, literally. And so Blue Origin is going to have a place in space. Virgin Galactic will have a much smaller place. Virgin Orbit, Rocket Lab, all of these companies and even companies that we don't even know about yet. Those are kind of the exciting ones, right? The ones that have a vision that we haven't even considered a new take on these ideas. Who's the next SpaceX, right? That's who we're looking for. And that's what excites me. And that's what I try to get towards. And it seems like, and maybe I'm just, maybe I'm wrong, but like, it seems like not very many people care. And so then I just, I like the course correct once in a while. And I'm not saying that we should necessarily kill them. I have thought of that. I'm just thinking that maybe we pull backwards from them a little bit.  Maybe we do them bi-weekly. I don't know. Lisa says we're establishing a quite a good relationship with JPL. And oh man, those JPLers, they are always amazing. I love JPL hands down my favorite NASA Center. They are just what they do is incredible. Richard says, I think the focus on things under development and planning now gives an insight into what will be coming to pass in the not too distant future. I agree. And that's why I think it's important to focus on these things. Like, but like one step just a little bit further than you're probably used to, like not what's coming out in the next five years, because it was coming out in the next five years, and you're really down that pipeline. You're really far down that pipeline already. I'm talking about stuff that in the very beginning parts of the pipeline, which means you're probably decade, maybe two out sometimes. Simon asks, how do we find these new companies? Do they reach out to tomorrow? Wouldn't that be nice? That made my life a lot easier. First off, Lisa's amazing. That's how we find these people. Lisa's amazing. She goes to conferences. She knows everyone. She has this like knack for finding interesting people. That's how we find people's. We use Lisa's superpowers to find guests and bring them into the show. Prior to that, we use my superpowers, which are not very good and not nearly as good as Lisa's. And I would just look for companies that I thought sounded interesting and just kind of poke around and just see who is on, like who is kind of new. And yeah, that's how we find people. I have a name says I want to know what blue has on the books 10 for 10 years from now. Me too. That's why I want to bring Jeff Bezos on this show. I cannot tell you how hard I've tried. Yeah. Eduardo says interviews are a very unique point of view from a player. And over time are very interesting like with Rocket Lab. Yeah, I agree. I do agree. But like, do we need to do one per week? Is there value in that? Or should we do one per month? And then double down on news and letting off steam, something like this where you can join, you know, just have a casual conversation. Just geek out over space. Let's geek out over space. Let's be nerds. Amtrak 1007 says, without the ideas that tomorrow explorers, the other content creators wouldn't have anything to talk about, the fringe ideas is what makes this channel distinctive and unique. Yes, but it also does not make it popular. Now, she's singing from the musical Wicked. That's okay, because I'm not all about the numbers. So setting expectations here, I don't need to have 100,000 viewers or 200 or a million. What's important to me is having a very great community and bigger numbers does not mean better community. In fact, sometimes it means the community suffers because of it. So I'm not all about the numbers. I'm about strategic and sustainable growth that benefits the community as a whole. And so I think we've been doing okay there, but you can even see when we get these influxes, like you can see a negative influence come in. That's just very bad. And it's not different. Thinking differently is fine. We welcome that as long as you debate the idea, not the person, but these are just not great humans that come in. And then we have to have this long, it's just myself and the other moderators, just like perma ban, perma ban, perma ban, perma ban, perma ban. And so, yeah. So I mean, again, it's not all about the numbers. It's about creating quality community and quality content, I think. I think in the long run, that's the sustainable thing. And while I am writing about numbers right now, I will say there have been other people who've come along before Space Big Cash slash tomorrow, and they've all fallen. I think the only one who hasn't is NASA Edge, right? They've all fallen except for NASA Edge. So nothing's to say that we're not on the right track because frankly, we're still here and most of them aren't. So maybe we are doing something right or maybe I just refuse to give up and should have given up a long time ago and I'm just an idiot, but I'm still not going to give up because that's just not what I do. Wicked says interviews were more popular when they were more about the details and less about the people. What I'm trying to say is that interviews need to be more like will and less will and less normal. I'm not sure I understand the reference. However, that is an untrue statement based on analytics. Simon says the 1000 Truefans concept is valid here. Actually, I don't know what that is. I may have to look that up.  No, no, no, I'm not. Hang on. I don't interpret what I said to be bashing on Tim Dodd the everyday astronaut. That is not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is we will sometimes have influx of people. Sometimes it's because of Tim Dodd. Sometimes it's not like that. It happens on its own. Generally speaking, during those influxes, regardless of where it comes from, we have to do a huge calling to make sure that the community can survive and the community quality doesn't go down.  We're just not going to. And you're allowed to think differently.  I don't care. Say that all day long. But don't attack. Don't make personal attacks on other people. The moment you start doing personal attacks, that that's not okay. Oh, let's see here. Rick V says moving interviews to the ad hoc and simpler letting off steam format. One thing I have considered for interviews is getting them out of the studio and moving them literally to a science bar. Like one of those bars that has a science theme like wavelength brewery. And I think that would be interesting because then any other events that they have down there, we could also live stream. So when someone goes down and does like a 20 minute presentation, we could just go live and just be like, Hey, here's a cool thing that happened happening at wavelength. But then also we could literally sit around a table and have a conversation over a literal beer. Like I don't have a problem drinking alcohol. I mean, the showtime would have to change. We're not drinking beer at 10am or 11am Saturday morning. That's just not a thing. But yeah, I think that would be fun. Lisa says honestly, we could do it easily from wavelength. Yeah, and actually we know them. We can make it happen.  Okay, in between an hour. Thanks. Uh, yeah. Um, yeah. So maybe that is what I do in 2020. Like maybe, maybe what we do is we get everything out of the studio. Oh, Christmas special. Uh, Lisa, you meant winter solstice special. So a winter solstice special from wavelength might be a good idea. And that could be a good test to see if we could do this. Excuse me, moving forward. And then we just convert station 204 to an on-demand only format and maybe move a good chunk of the gear down to wavelength. And then maybe they could get additional use out of it, right? I don't know. I think it might be fun. I know that the moment I change anything, everyone's going to complain for a while. Like I cannot tell you how often like I change things like, for example, I took the show that would used to be three segments in the show and I split it into their individual segments. The immediate hate that I received from the entire community was fierce and again immediate.  I got to stop changing the show. I don't know what I'm doing. The show is not as good anymore. And then slowly people, I think started to realize, actually, no, it's a little bit having the news not be part of the interview makes a lot more sense. And now that we've got lighting off steamer, we can just sit here and chat. I think people are like, oh, I think I get this now. I think like I don't want to put words in people's mouths. But yeah, now that they're used to it, everyone's okay with it again. So now if I go and go, you know, we're going to change the interview show. We're going to put it into a bar. The immediate hatred I will receive because we made a change. Oh, we've made a change.  You were doing great before. Now I hate it. I refuse to watch ever again. I have people that basically say who were excited. And I'm not kidding. We have people that were excited that we were getting fewer viewers for certain episodes because they wanted to see us fail because they didn't like that I had made changes. I kid you not. So oh, an Apollo 8 anniversary party. That's a great idea. Yeah. Lisa says, if we don't need the studio, we can get rid of that rent. Yeah. So for those who don't know, our rent and bandwidth costs every month are $3,000 for station 204 plus the bandwidth. Mark says, if you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. You know what?  I am not afraid of change. I embrace it. And I think that you're either growing or dying.  What did you say? I'm a tomato, apparently. And it's important to me to always be looking for how we can improve and how we can do better and never stagnate and always, you know, just be a little bit better. Every show should be a little bit better than the one prior to prior to it. That's my thought process at least, like, but I haven't, you know, that is not how most people think, including my cast and crew. And so kind of constantly try to instill that of like, no, if this becomes normal, if we have processes in place that you can rinse and repeat that we're probably doing it wrong. But you should always be challenging and moving and trying something new, always trying to improve, always. And that doesn't mean adding more policy. It means adding more things that could break, adding more things that add risk. And you know what? Most of the risk and most of the things that could break will in fact break. But once in a while, you're going to get something that's really amazing, really amazing.  Anyhow, let's see here, what do we got here? Jewel 1-2-3-4 says about 204. Actually, I think isn't there a lot of tree pity. Cameron says, hate change? Yeah, most people do. Most people do. You are in the norm on that one. I'm the weird one. I'm the weird one. Average Art says, keep up the good stuff and watching some of the shuttle program will continue to do so. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for, oh yeah, I just realized I was wearing a red shirt to, I was wearing a red shirt in my control room today.  Well, we weren't watching. It's all allowed. It's fine. Oh, I'll see what other space nerdy things. I can't really talk about X too much because it's just, also I got so much of it right now that I just don't like anything other than that. I wish Blue Origin was a little further along, like it'd be really cool to see like some, some active competition there. But you know, at least we're starting to see some stuff from other things. Virgin Orbit's exciting, I think.  And it seems like, from what I've been able to gather, it seems like once they hit the ground, they're just going to hit the ground running. And normally you would see like, you'd see a first rocket launch. Hello, Gavin Smith. Welcome.  This is not our normal space nerdy show.  Our normal interview shows are a lot more produced. We also have a new show every week, which is way more produced. But yeah, welcome. Everyone's welcoming. Yeah, welcome. Welcome to tomorrow. Yeah, I think Virgin Orbit, like, normally you see like a first rocket launch, right? And we'll call it experimental rocket 001. And they launch it, success or failure doesn't matter. They launch it, they go back and they review all the engineering data. Again, success or failure is irrelevant. And they go, Okay, cool, we're going to take that data and we're going to build rocket 002. And the delta between one and two is a while, a long while. And from what Will Pomerance talked about on the last show where he was on 1222, something like that. It sounds like they've got a bunch of stuff in the pipeline. So they'll launch their first rocket and then basically be like, cool, a few tweaks. Here's number two. Here's number three. Here's number four. I think that's going to be really different and really cool. And I think once they start launching, regardless of the status of that first rocket, I don't think that matters. I think there's still going to be a launch rapidly right after that. And that's exciting. At least it said 1226. So if anyone's interested. Oh, Relativity Space did a liquid oxygen turbopump test. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Relativity, they're the one 3D printing everything, right? Top and bottom? Yeah. That's actually pretty neat. As long as they can keep up with the man, right? Because 3D printing stuff takes one unit of forever. And if you're 3D printing the entire rocket, like, is that a year print? Imagine going file print and then you got to wait a year for it to finish. I'm not saying it takes a year, but just imagine that for a moment. Like, I don't know what they're doing to speed that process up. Maybe you speed it up by just getting more 3D printers, or more likely it's like one printer is doing one component, another printer is doing another component, and they have to combine and age those components. That's a real word. Somewhere else. Go back on the chat. Space Laney Lanny. I hope I pronounced that right. Trevor Noah talked about Gateway Space Hotel for 2025 on Daily Show. I've doubted that this is actually feasible. Couldn't find much more information on how they're funded, what are your thoughts? The Gateway, that's the Gateway project, right? They're funded through a lottery system. And actually, we've had them on the show talking about how they're going to fund everything. If someone, I can't really get into searching right now because of how this is set up. But if someone wouldn't mind just searching for, I think it was this year, I think it was Orbit 12 where we talked to get, might have been Orbit 11. But you can go back and we've got like a full hour long interview talking to the Gateway Foundation about what their space station is, how they're going to fund it, and all that other fun jazz. Wicked says, relatively the space's 3D printer is just a robot arm with a welder attached, not difficult to scale production. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That might be oversimplifying it a little bit, but at the same time, no, you're probably not wrong. Oh, at least this is, it might have been Orbit 10 when we had Gateway on. Cameron says, news like what we've been reporting has been much slower this year. I disagree. I think news has been like, this is the first week since we started news. I think we started in February. Oh my goodness, you guys should see the before and after picture I create. I'll tell you that story in a second. I think we started in February. And I, other than like needing to skip news for like my day job, kind of getting in the way or like being out of out of the state, we've had this is, I think the first show we've ever canceled 1127. Thank you. I have a name. Gateway foundation was on 1127. We cover how they get funded, what they're doing. It's like an hour-long interview. It's really interesting. So when we're done here, if you want to go back, just search YouTube for orbit 11.27. You'll find it could be like the top hit. Oh, I lost my train of thought. Anyhow. Oh yeah, news. This, I think the first time we actually had to cancel news, simply because we didn't have compelling stories to talk about that we could tell in a compelling way. There were a couple of really good stories, but like, I couldn't piece it together, like I couldn't produce a good show. This first time, like it's been, it's been really great. Richard's workshop says, companies planning to bring in revenue beyond current sources are interesting as they could spur further investment in space, infrastructure, mining, powers, allies, tourism, etc. Yeah, I think we haven't thought of the business plans for living and working in space yet, because you can't do it. And so there's not, like there isn't a transportation system to get humans en masse up to space, but once we have said system, be it on Starship or New Armstrong or a New Glenn or whichever one they're going to send humans up on, I suppose technically both, but whatever. Whatever that might be, I think we're going to see some really new innovative business plans come out of some of these things. Space hotels are the low hanging fruit, but I think there's going to be a lot more stuff that's end up being pretty cool. That's going to be very exciting. And we're probably 20, 30 years away from a good chunk of that, but the fact that we're working towards it is good. Let's see here. I wonder, oh, the before and after. So I will have to post this on Twitter or somewhere. My Twitter is GLTC short for galactic because galactic is too long for Twitter. Well, the whole thing. GLTC princess. So go follow me on Twitter and I will post this. I was doing news and the directory that I was working in was just filled with all of the post processed media, all of the rendered stuff from the beginning of news from the very first news episode, I believe, or at least near the beginning. And I was like, oh, this is annoying, but I need to do some media management. So I deleted some of the low res proxy stuff and then I was like, all right, I'm going to move a good chunk of these files off of my local system in the cloud storage. So we have a backup of it. So I did that and I grabbed a bunch of files and I inadvertently on Mac OS hit the space bar, which opened up quick law, a quick look on the very first clip, which was the oldest clip in the directory. And it happened to be space news. And with the original space news, space news, I space news, I'm not sure how to pluralize that. I was the host. And I was a lot heavier. And I had a beard because I was trying to compensate the things. And poorly, mind you, I was trying to compensate poorly. And I popped up on my own screen and I gasped at myself. And then I went to that, like the stuff that we had just shot with me in in scene. And I did a compare and contrast. And it was, it was pretty dramatic. And so I created that Photoshop file. And we'll wait, we'll wait another like 612 months and do another like I'll try to do the same thing on set in the same general pose. And yeah, it's a dramatic change. Just physically, you can see it in my face. I'm less dead. I'm less dead in the eyes. It's still an awkward pose. But yeah, I think you wicked for the link. What else we got? Space newsies. But I'm getting, yeah, I'm getting notifications of people following me. Thank you for all. Like I said, I'll add it sometime soon. And then at carry on, there's another one you may want to follow. She's my beautiful, lovely, wonderful and talented wife. Are you just feet still in the phone for the future? She has to keep her feet in that thing for an hour. She has 25 minutes less. She's not coming on camera. That's not gonna be a thing. I can't move. But you can bring the camera here. You want to say hi to everyone? We're going on an adventure, everyone. We're bringing the camera to carry in. Everyone ready to say hi to carry in? Making a mess. All right. All right. And we're getting dizzy. We're going around. We're walking backwards. Say hi. Hi. Alfred greetings from Melbourne, Australia. Mark, hang on, Mark. That's not fair.  And my new Galactic Princess account is brand new. And Ben Credible have been around for like ever. Ever. Although I still think that Jamezing is a pretty good one too. Jamezing is pretty good. So I might switch to Jamezing. Yeah. Yeah. I might do that. Hello. So we were talking about SLS. How's your day? I know. You were right over there. It's not like I couldn't hear you. You want to know how things are? Yeah, things. They're good. We've got a lot of Australians. I suppose that makes sense from the time zone. Yeah. Eastern time zone is not going to be a thing. No, not really. Jamezing is better. All right. All right. Hang on. Take that and talk to people. I'm sorry. Hi. Hi. Actually, I don't know where I'm looking on this thing. It's right here. It's here. There. Hi. How are you? I don't know where to put you at all. So, hi. This is a thing. I don't know. We're so cute. Oh, we're something. Oh, Jewel1234 is Eastern. Andy is from the UK. Hi. Hi. Richard's Workshop. Putting a whole lot of extra letters in my name, but that's fine, too. Norway. Oh, good gods. What are you doing up at 5.22 AM? Oh, man. Argentina. Man. Yeah. I'm really impressed. I'm falling asleep, and it's only like 8.30 PM my time. Should I do it like that, or should I add the I instead of the S? I think you should add the I. Central. Nice. Nice. Romania. Nice. Arizona. Good. Okay, that feels more normal. It doesn't look as good. It doesn't look as good. Having coffee. That's great. Hi, Lisa. Texas. Goodness gracious. Oh, coffee. That's what I do for living. So, that also very much so interesting. Hey, you got a verification code for Twitter. Do you need that? Could just pop it up on your screen. Yeah, 1.30 in the afternoon is really decent. That's totally normal. It's like a regular time period of the day. Wow. Hi from South Texas. I forgot what it was like to do to waste time on it. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Hard, right? Sorry. I just figured I should probably grab that username before somebody else is like, yeah. So, I know. Oh, it's amazing. Oh, yeah. Sweet and too early or late. Yeah, no, probably. That's kind of funny. Lisa, maybe you should grow your own. Not in our garden here. Oh, nice. Hi from Diamond Bar. Yeah. You are right up the road. Where's Diamond Bar? Right up the road. Let me show you. Is it literally up the road?  Diamond Bar. City in California. Los Angeles County. So, here's 57. Yep. Right? Where are we? Oh, you're literally right up the road. Yeah, you're right up 57. Lisa lives in tomorrow. Not untrue. Not untrue. Yeah. That's kind of funny. Yeah. I'm a barista. I'm a barista supervisor, I guess, technically. So, I make a lot of coffee. That's my life. Which is funny because I can't have any. It is funny. Wait, hang on. Hold again. Sorry. I'm holding again. Hi. Just yes.  We even have a lot of Disney coffee is life. Disney art. Ah! Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I know. My bad. Only good things will happen when you do that. Yeah. Obviously. All right. Get back. Okay. All yours. I can't. Like the video nerd in me can. Right. That's really quick. Oh, that's fine. So, what were the last? It's tricky because you have to like scroll, like put all that stuff over there, but you have to scroll on this side.   Sorry. So, for those who don't know, this is her pastime. This is, what is this? It's emoji blitz. It's emoji blitz. I just got whatever it is. She got four gems all the time. This is what she, so she's typing and this phone is just sitting by her side. We should just kind of look over about. Yeah. Do a bunch. Do that. Yeah. I have lost them. Wait. Thank you. Yeah. We both lost them. Yeah. We've both been doing intermittent fasting, eating right, and working out a star star. Star star. Well, which means we haven't done that in a while. Yeah, we're supposed to. We are supposed to, but we haven't done that in a long time. Mark's been playing way too much Minecraft lately. What's going on with the rest of the crew? A little bit of everything, I think. Everyone seems to be doing pretty well. Jates, I'm seeing an event on the 28th. That's gonna be pretty cool. That's gonna be really cool. A little bit jealous. Like, yeah, everyone's kind of been involved and around.  But one of the drugs I'm taking kind of makes my absorption of sodium more difficult. So I crave salt something fierce. And right now, all I want is a Campbell's chicken noodle soup because that's just like super salty. FPV reviews. What future events are you each most excited about? I'll let you go first. I, generally speaking, I'm excited to see any humans flying from American soil, whether that's SpaceX, whether that's Blue Origin, whether that's NASA, like Virgin, anybody. I think that's the thing I'm most excited about. Apparently, some of the little escape zipline things have been tested recently and that sounds like that went really well. So that's cool. Hello, Canada. Hello, all of Canada. For me, I would say the Mark 1 test. That's the one I'm most excited about, like, imminently because it's kind of precursor to humans anyway. Yeah, but I like that one right now. Yeah, that's that's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah. Alan says this format is great. Thank you. Jonathan asked, do you find if you're sharing your intermittent fasting schedule? Yeah, no problem. So for me, I'm on what's known as a 16-8 schedule. So 16 hours of fasting and eight hours of food, a food window every day, just eight hours of nothing but eating. So I, my window closes at 3 p.m. So, you know, I can then I can have breakfast and lunch, but I really can't have it dinner. Right. And then, and then once per week, I do a 24-hour fast. And I usually do that on a Monday. So because I'm on Saturday and Sunday, I don't not fast, but I also don't necessarily follow the lemon line. Yeah, we break diet, something fierce on those days. Yeah, we go to a restaurant called Snooze in the morning. It's amazing. It's amazing. We go usually Saturday and Sunday. Although this Sunday, I can't because I have to do electrolysis on this side. Um, uh, someone moderate hang on. I think I can do that from here. I love. Just kill them. Just nuke them. Cool. It's wicked. Wicked. That's not really a surprise. Let's see here. What else we got?  Oh, yeah, I suppose. Yeah. Uh, FED with, well, Ben credible gone. So that's not, that's not going to be a thing. So Ben credible. Those accounts are all, I'm not going to get rid of them, but they're not going to, they're not going to go anywhere. So Galactic Princess or Jemezine. I do like Jemezine. That's kind of fun. Um, it seems kind of me, I don't know. We'll see. I have it just in case I need it. What else we got? The food show. Does anyone know if a lowly person like me will be able to question it, ask a question at the Starship presentation or do you need some kind of pass? Actually, I have no idea. Uh, FPV reviews also miss a space bike. Yes, the space bike did leave industry. Um, he sounds like he might be coming back, but he won't be coming back tomorrow. I have a name. Commercial Crew is going to be so exciting. I'm, uh, it's taking so long in a good way. Um, I'm not sure in a good way, it's quite right, but I agree. Commercial Crew is going to be amazingly exciting. And, uh, yeah, yeah, I'm excited for that. Alan, can you tell us a little bit about how it is working for company X? I mean, not really to be frank. Like it's everything you already know. It's very hard work. It's very rewarding work. Um, they demand the best of the best and they don't want anything less than you're all really. And, uh, that suits me just fine. That's just, that's how it sure does. Yeah. I mean, that's just what I do. So, uh, yeah. I mean, is what it is. Somebody asked for coffee tips. It depends on, on what kind of coffee tips you're looking for. What kind of coffee do you like or do you not like coffee? That's a whole other thing. Jonathan said, uh, glad that you lost weight on purpose for a little bit. Thought I was sick. Yeah. And I do, uh, I did get quite a few people emailing me saying, because I didn't, I didn't come out. I don't believe, I don't want to word this. My transition is not important to the show. It should not become the central, I don't want to become the focus of the show. I don't want it to become a thing. It's just happening. And so I just was like, you know what, I'm just going to, I didn't want to be on camera. Um, I didn't see a really great way to avoid it. So I was just like, all right, I get, I'll do this and I'm just going to, I'm just going to be me and I'm not going to apologize for it. I'm not going to explain it. And, uh, so that's what I did. And some people reached out going, are you okay? I went, oh, I didn't, I didn't think of that. So, sorry. Um, so I think. But the answer to that is yes. I am. I'm doing great. I'm doing better now than I have in decades. Okay.  FNB reviewers, what's the most interesting and surprising thing about being a barista? Uh, how completely incompetent people are. Hey, I'm sitting right here. Aw, no, like I have literally watched people fill their cup with drip coffee and then try to put sugar in it and stir it. Actually, they put milk in it first and stir it. Get it everywhere. Get upset about that. Pour some out and then put sugar in it as if it's going to dissolve after you've already like lowered the temperature of the coffee. Like put the sugar in first, then put some coffee in, then like swirl it around so you melt the sugar. So then you got that. Then put some more coffee in, but not all the way to the top and then put milk in it. And then your life is going to be a lot easier. That was the hardest thing for me was giving up sugar. I was so addicted to sugar. Like it was not a great three or so weeks, I would say. Yeah, I was a delight to be around. So Scotty says, hi Jamie and Carrie Ann, I'm on my break at work, so I only have... I guess that's it. I actually don't drink any coffee anymore, but I have in the past liked iced coffee, absolutely. Mark is going back to being a Bachelor of Science now that my daughter is in school. Given that my passion is tech and engineering, what programs would be best to segue into aerospace industry? Well, you know, the industry is changing a little bit. So I mean, there are literally aerospace engineering programs. But like we're going to need all of the things in space sometime soon. So find something that you just love and you're good at. And I would say focus on that and then try to find an angle into space. I love and good and good at, or at least... I love and good at. I love and good, not words. Obviously. I think I'm mediocre enough at a video to be accepted at SpaceX, like live streaming and live video. Actually, I say that jokingly, but then like I do things. I'm like, actually, that's pretty cool. And then I get excited over how some of these things come together at like no cost. And I'm like, and I don't like to pat myself in the back very often, but like some of this bokeh stuff, if you knew what I was doing and it didn't cost us a dime, like it's pretty cool. And no one will ever know but me. Literally no one will know but me. But it's still pretty cool. Let's see here. Oh yeah, OpenX is a good idea. FPVReview says Lisa is awesome. Alan, is it possible to tour company X? Kind of, but not really. So in order to tour company X, you have to be a close relative to an employee. That's pretty much it. So tours have really been locked down at this point. There are times where like sometimes schools can get in or there are other weird little like one-off kind of things, but those are the exception, not the rule. Understand company X is an active rocket production factory. So like when people are touring around, it can be disruptive to building, you know, rockets. And so they really clamp down on a lot of that. And it's quite difficult to bring people in, not certainly not possible, but under eight minutes or eight minutes. Hang on. Did you show them your feet? No, why would I show them my feet? Well, I'm going to. Oh, I almost dropped gross and disgusting right now. Yeah, you're welcome. Is that on the camera? I don't know. Yeah, it's kind of. Yeah, like that's happening there. That's happening. Those are my feet. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's Lisa's fault. It's Lisa's fault. You broke everything. I broke everything. I get to go into work late, a little bit late tomorrow, which is fun. I have to go in early tomorrow. FPVReviews could have lived without that. I know, me too. Sorry. Yeah, I have to be there by six tomorrow. Terrence asks if I feel the difference. Yes. Yes. Between. Also, I can just do this. More specific. Oh, yeah, that's a really good idea. Let's go there. Definitely keep moving it. That's what's helping me.  But I love you. There you go. I'll post it on my Twitter account. This is a good one too. Oh, man. If you're squeamish needles, look away now. One more time. If you get squeamish with needles, look away now. This is electrolysis. This is what I need to do when I do galvanic. There are 32 needles in my face. Yeah, it looks like two different people, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what they're doing there is they put 32 needles in my face, one on each hair, and then they electrocute each hair. They electrocute each hair for approximately five minutes, all 32 at the same time. And then once they're done electrocuting my hair, so what's happened is it's literally doing electrolysis, so the elements are splitting apart, and that process creates lye, which kills essentially the root or the cell of the hair. Once that's dead, they go in and they rip the hairs out one at a time. Yeah, Kevin, we're done. No worries. Yeah, we won't show it again. They rip the hairs out one at a time, which is not pleasant either, and we do that for three hours once per week for a year. Oh yeah, my hairline is still not good, so I really don't like talking about this stuff, but we're going to I guess for now. I'll give you like five minutes of it. So there's something called FFS, which is facial feminization surgery, and what you have to do is adjust the hairline, right? So women have a more of a U-shaped hairline, and men have an M-shaped hairline, so they're going to pull this piece of my hairline forward, right, down in here, so they literally basically pull the scalp down, and then this bone will be smoothed out. This will be smoothed out and lifted up slightly.  They're going to pull the nose in slightly and smooth it out, and they're going to lift, women have less of a gap between the top of the nose and the top of the lip, so they're going to lift this up, and we're going to be like that. It's not going to be like that. Fortunately, and I was almost insulted when he said this, but I was like, I actually worked on my paper, he's like, you have a really weak jaw, so I don't think we are really weak chin, so we don't have to do anything there. I was like, hey, and I'm like, actually, that that's all right. It's fine. I'm not worried about it. Yeah, so hopefully that will be in under a year. I'll be able to do some of that. The thing is they can't move my hair far enough. Yeah, it would be painful. They can't move my hair far enough forward, so they'll also do transplants to do that.  That's a good question. I can't decide if I should leave them in, in wondering. I mean, I said it. No, he's not going to have his tongue done. Not going to have my tongue done. CDR, CD-Roy? Yeah. Oh my God. The science and beyond biology behind all of this is amazing. Yeah, really amazing. So the first thing that was really interesting to me was to transition FPV reviews, listen, to transition genders, all you really need is a little itty-bitty pill that you take like once a day. And the code that runs the male part of my body basically stops running. And then the female code, which we all have, we all have male and female, begins to run. And so then my body goes, oh, you're missing those parts. I'll go ahead and build those parts. And so it does. And so, yeah, like... Yeah, it's been really interesting. Yeah. I think we've both been learning like a lot. It is different like my mental... I'll call it energy, I guess, is different now. In social situations, I'm definitely more scatterbrained. Is that a fair assessment? Sometimes. Yeah. But for work stuff, I'm able to focus on tasks better. Right? So I can really hone in and like I get less distracted, I think, for work stuff. It's fine. I wouldn't be here if I was upset about it. You're welcome, Kevin. I hope that helped. But yeah, the science and biology behind all of it is amazing. And then like all of the surgery stuff is really quite incredible in what they can do. Here's the really amazing thing. Yes. So the hairline stuff and the bone stuff and all that fun jazz, you don't have to stay in the hospital. You release the same day because I'm not doing my job. Release the same day and the pain medication is nothing more than regular old pile and all. I can return to work within a couple of days or a week. Probably closer to a week. But I should look fairly normally able to go out with a couple of days. That's really fantastic. So yeah, it's so amazing. I'm gonna try not to focus on this because I don't... Yeah. It's why I'm not going on camera because like I'm getting really awkward now. You're always awkward. I'm getting more awkward. Oh yeah, and cheek implants. I forgot, cheek implants. Yeah, which I am seriously considering. Really? You want cheek implants? Yeah. Okay.  Yeah. So yeah, here's that. Give you guys about 15 more minutes I think and then we'll end. Is that all right? Sure. You have 27 seconds left on your feet. I know. They better be like super soft. No, they're not not initially. Wait, what? This sounds terrible. Didn't you see the box? No, I did not read the box at all.  Oh, Scott, topic for show amateur radio satellites and or moon balance. That's actually a really good idea. Yeah. See, it sluffs off after one week. After one week? And then after two weeks you have baby soft feet. Yeah. Why don't you look at this thing at all? See? Oh my god, that's terrible. What? Jonathan, what's the hardest part of my job? Predicting what people want without being told what they want or having limited data to work with. Yeah. That tracks, right? Yeah. That's difficult because you have this limited data set and you have to infer a lot out of that limited data set and you're like, you never can. It's just impossible. Yeah. My feet are gonna start feeling, I know. It doesn't like never a good time. So I was like, I'm just gonna do it now. It's fine. And this is just to like help soften the foot or get rid of all that? It gets rid of the dead skin and stuff. All right. Feedbag sounds like a hoax. I know, but this is like, I don't, I'm really ticklish and so I really didn't want to pedicure. And so that's kind of what this is. Kevin F, would you consider adding arrivals to Earth, Moon and Mars departures on the new show? Oh, you know, maybe. We do arrive, we do arrive. I don't know why she's talking. We do arrivals now as part of the segment. So like you'll see Earth and we did a lunar arrival last week or two weeks ago. So we do them in the segments. We just don't have it on the upcoming graph, our upcoming graphic. And that's because that graphic is driven by Launch Library, which doesn't really have arrivals in it. So it's from a technical standpoint that gets challenging because like trying to look all of that up every week is going to be, news is already hugely time consuming. Like it, it takes more effort to make one 10 minute news episode than it does one, one hour. Is that a fair statement? Because it takes like all day. Yeah. It takes about the same amount of effort as the live show, but it's radically less time like reduced time. So take that for whatever it's worth. Alan asks, if I'm involved directly with the launch broadcast, you could say that. Yeah. That would be a good way to describe what I do. Yep. I think directly would be an understatement. I mean, we won an Emmy. Thanks. Yeah, LOS in two weeks is our carry-ons feet solved. I see. Oh, that's a great question. But FPV reviews, oh yeah, I'm way happier. Like I'm just, I wasn't unhappy before, but like, no, because I'm amazing. And I'm amazing. Oh, that's terrible. I'm starting to hate it already. Yeah, right. That means I'm winning. That means I'm winning. Yeah. Yeah, CD. So like, CD Roy 1224, I was getting ready to be like no more live shows, no more interview shows. And then that Mark show happened and I was like, this is amazing. I love this. And you know what, even if it doesn't have a lot of viewership, I love this. Like this show brought a smile to my face. We are the original couple. We're the space big cast couple. Yeah, we are. Actually, in this way too, I was sitting on the side. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this kind of, this does remind me a lot of like space big cast, doesn't it? And welcome to space big cast. My name is Benjamin Higginbotham. This is uh, space big cast live episode, episode, epic. So epic. So two is here be yeah. Oh, no, be like, yeah, I think we started that in season two, epic. So four. There we go. There we go. There we go. So gross. My name is Benjamin Higginbotham with me as always is my beautiful, lovely, wonderful and talented wife, Carrie Ann. That's true. Now I do it as Jamie. Yep. I don't understand it like what you mean. You called yourself Benjamin Higginbotham. I don't because that's what I would have said. I know. I am Jamazing. I'm just Carrie Ann. That's all of you. I figured you guys would like a throwback. Carrie Ann is fine. Because you like a throwback. That's that's going way back. Yes. Yes. Ben is Jamie now. Ta-da. Ta-da. Yeah. FEV reviews still has not caught on. I thought I gave enough data as to what was happening there. Okay, there we go. So the one thing, the one thing that I have not been doing on air and I don't practice in front of Carrie Ann or really anyone is the voice stuff because the voice stuff is very incongruent right now and it looks and sounds weird. So like this will not be my voice someday in the future, but like it is right now and it will be for a while. Probably another, probably sometime around the FFS when I'll start to, because it's not, you can't really like slowly move, right? It's one or the other. So, you know, men speak from here, women speak from like up over here. So you have to move, like I have to remove the timber from my voice and literally move it up and forward and that's hard to do. Like it takes a while. This is true, but Ben really was the evil twin. It's always the evil twin who doesn't admit to being the evil twin. That's how you know. Jonathan, if we go to Wavelength soon, yeah, give everyone a heads up. I think I really like the idea of doing a broadcast like an interview from Wavelength and he's sitting down and having a beer and just like the evil twin was born on the 29th. To be fair, Jamie does have brothers who are twins. They're just not Jamie's twins. Correct. There was a question about singing. I don't know how I do this. Just scroll. Will I be able to sing? I couldn't sing before. I don't know why I'd be able to sing now. Oh yeah. So the Dear Moon project, they're planning on bringing artists and whatnot. Would we be able to participate in the stream? I will probably be running that official stream. That's what I do. Right? I mean, I try to not just out and out say it, but like I work at Company X. I move live photons around. Like... I work at Company X. Yeah. I make coffee. Yeah, wicked. If not fired by then. 50-50. We'll see how the 28th goes. Oh wow. Yeah. I'm all like, all of this stuff is really great. It didn't cost anything at all. It just fails. Right, same thing. Stream of bits, stream of beers. That's what, yeah. That's why we can't really talk about SpaceX at all, because then it sounds like it's an official stance of the company, which is not. So, we're always on to it. I do a little one, two, three, four. I can't wait for the 28th. I can't wait for the 29th. I'm going to sleep all day that day. Yeah, you is. All right. Like six more minutes. So get your really great questions in now. Lisa's coming back for Thanksgiving, so you might be able to see her on camera again. Lisa, I think you're going to be here when my parents are here. Just FYI. I'm going to go to Disneyland because this is the thing we do. You can even see some of the cat redistribution in my face already. You were talking to my mom. Okay, that's just weird. You probably talk to my mom more than I do then. That's a really hard question. So, the question is, can we please get a live shot of fuel tanks in the streams? No, you cannot. That is not my decision. Remember, there are other aspects at play for a lot of this stuff. Favorite Disney attraction, 8B1? Hyperspace Mountain. I was just going to whisper it in your ear. I agree. Hyperspace Mountain. Oh, no, no, no. Mission space. Mission space. Hyperspace Mountain. Mission space. Orange line. I haven't been on the new one. That's awesome. Cool. So, Hyperspace Mountain. We disagree on this. That's not in a Walt Disney world as better than Space Mountain. But she's about how that is not nearly as good. Same. Usually she starts clapping. If we go to, if we're talking about like all Disney, Everest is pretty amazing. Everest is pretty amazing. Although, I still think mission space is better. Do we have any outstanding collectibles models that aren't original? No, no. Oh, no. Is that us? That's because we've got four minutes left. FPV reviews tomorrow. Sun is becoming tomorrow's steam. It's getting to orbit that issue. I'm afraid of heights. But I'm not really in the cosmos. You're constantly falling. That sounds terrible. I suppose. Oh, no, our internet's probably done. All right, let me see if, hang on. Are we still dead? We're still dead. I don't know if we died. Resolution is low, apparently. Oh, no. Adrian, if you're on a tour, could you meet up and say hi? Unfortunately, unlikely, because the area I work in, it's not an area that we'll be able to get to. However, you happen to get a tour and you come by the coffee bar. I'm most likely going to be there. Alive, but at 140p. That's gross. That's gross. Yeah. All right. We have two minutes left. We'll do two minutes at 140p. Awesome questions. Two minute rapid fire of questions. Ready, go. Are we in a tunnel now? No. That's interesting. I've got to wait for the delay. I know. Stradalunch, yes or no? Yes. No. Most ideal city to live in and tomorrowland. What is this? 1990? No. What is company X? Rocket company that ends in X. Are we in a simulation? Not that I know of, but how do we know? Voyager, TNG, TNG. Oh, TNG. Rubber, humans in space? Both. The space company? Yes. That's not a question. Wicked was answering. Any company is on the edge of remotely operating robots for space use? I mean, besides us? Well, there's the Russian one. Country, I suppose, Russia. No on yes and on on. Nosbury farm, yes or no? No. The best attraction in Nosbury farm is the exit. Favorite Disney park is Epcot.  Favorite Disney park is Epcot. Orville or Reddenbocker? Well, I'll have to say Orville because of the baro space. I don't know. Favorite food? Go. Asian. Anything salty? Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese. What is the answer to the ultimate question? 42. Cheetos, fingers for life or taste buds in your feet? What? I don't know. Cheetos, fingers for life or taste buds in your feet? I would say Cheetos, fingers for life. Yeah, Cheetos, fingers for life. Because I would be like, yeah. Orville, Star Trek, Orville. Further to Fargo or by train? I don't know. Let's hear. Remote control, not robotic needs, human pilot. Orville, Star Trek, Orville, obviously. Best movie ever? Fight Club. 2001, Space Odyssey. Walk to work or carry your lunch? Walk to work. Spock or Kirk? Oh, Spock. Favorite interplanetary perp? Giggity. Favorite payload on Falcon 9 so far? Cheese. Cheese. Dragon. Favorite Disney character? Me. Warp or Hive? Warp. I'm going to go with Warp because of Star Trek, but Hyperdrive sounds cooler. Okay.  Favorite tomorrow host? This one. Aw, this one. No. Yeah, that one. Rock, paper, scissors, paper. Oh, ready? Ready? Lost or apprentice lost? Ready? Yeah. Paper. Favorite launch vehicle? Starship. Anyone that goes up. Best pizza in Anaheim? No idea. Naples. Oh yeah, yeah, Naples. Favorite TNG GS9 crossover? Wasn't there only one? Oh, no, no, no, no. TNG. That's TOS you're thinking of. Oh yeah. So TNG GS9 did a couple crossovers. We'll say the first one. Thought on Robert Bigelow complaining about Russian space trash hitting the space trash. That's funny. That's my thought. That's funny. Better shapes. Shapes. Shapes. All right. Duh. That was easy. I think that was it. Oh my goodness. We'll start our little work. Oh yeah. Yeah, I'm super excited for it. Fear of holodex. 1 to 10. 10. Those things cripple everything. 10. I don't know why I still allow them. Favorite astronaut? Victor Glover. You got a little fun? No, I know. Thank you, everyone. I hope you guys had fun. I'll be out at night. And like I said, we'll try to do these like once a week or so. I think Jared has a plan to do something pretty cool. It's a little bit different than this kind of format. I know Lisa's been planning some stuff. And like I said, I think I want to do like a board game or something. Just kind of like, we got Scott Tronson's game that we could like play in front of everyone awkwardly. So yeah, it was fun just to hang.  And we'll see you guys next week. Okay, goodbye.