Hello and welcome to Tofa TV. My name's Patrick Ridge. I'm here with a special guest for a bit of a special transfer show, and it's Sam Fonsecfam joined by from the All Things Alvala podcast. Sam, how are you doing and thanks for agreeing to come on and speak to us. No, thanks to him by glad to be here. Obviously there's the transfer sort of room that's been going around and also we've got the game, the friendly this weekend. So a lot of things to talk about. But yeah, thank you for inviting me and I'm sure we'll have a great one. Yeah, I'm just first things first, Sam.  How did that come about before we got on to the transfer and how long you've been doing that, how long has the podcast been up? So, people get confused my accent, obviously, because it's quite, quite British, but my family migrated over my dad when he was 15. And so he's half Portuguese, and my mum is half Irish, but my mum was never into football whereas my dad football mad. So that's how I grew up as a sporting fan. And he does watch English football as well, but I just can't do two clubs. I have all emotionally invested in one club. So that's how it came about. And the actual podcast elements started probably on, say, 2017, just an idea that me and another one of my friends from America actually Steff had the idea of just, you know, we were quite, might be quite a big club. We have quite a lot of foreign fans, English speaking fans, especially with like people like Ronaldo coming from the club that he's obviously got a lot of fan base in sort of Asia and Africa and some other like English speaking countries. So we were trying to sort of promote that demographic because there is quite a lot of people who don't speak Portuguese to sort of connect with sporting and obviously with cases like this as well with transfers and obviously a lot of sporting players going on to join clubs over Europe. So that gives us a good insight and gives us a profile of players. But yeah, it's been been a difficult few seasons, especially the last two, but we did win the league in 2021, which is the first in my lifetime anyway that I got to watch. So I'm hoping we can sort of get back to get back on track to that sort of success. Yeah, so as you said, they're sporting a huge club out there and definitely one of the big three in Portugal obviously and it was good to see them have such success in 2021 in the league and maybe you obviously didn't manage to replicate the last two years. So always have such, well, like you mentioned in Aldo, but such young talents are very famous academy, I suppose such a big catchment area as well obviously competing with Benficar in Lisbon. And yeah, we're on to talk about one of those academy prospects and one of those players that came out no way yesterday really, didn't it? For Bittier Romano dropped to a bombshell a bit and I think for Evertonians, it's a nice surprise to see a player that they haven't been, there haven't been a lot of links with, like the club have just missed out on signing Elbil Altori, who was from Almeria, who was a priority target, but the interest had been there for a while and it was well known and then this kind of just came out entirely out of my field. Now, I'll be honest, I mean, I'm a football journalist, a sports journalist, I never heard of him. I'll be totally honest, like I've watched as much Portuguese football as I'd like, so when I have watched it, maybe I've seen him play and it's just not ring a bell. So you do that thing, don't you? You jump on the YouTube highlights, you go on, you know, the stats pages and I work with Optus so I can get a lot of stats with him. From what I saw very quickly, it seemed well physically, he's got a lot of attributes that may be a suit to the Premier League, but technically he's definitely not the finished product and you wouldn't expect so at 19, but then I saw yourself tweeting and a few other sporting fans and just thought, yeah, it'd be good to get your opinion on him as someone who's obviously dedicated to the club and clearly an expert on it. So I'm, I would say I'm a bit of a harsh critic, because obviously, like you said, he's 19. It was his first professional season last year. I had to give a bit of backstory. What had happened is we went into last season with two registered strikers. Well, one really, which was Paulinho, who I've got the jersey behind me there, is one of my favourite sport players at the moment.   That's not his role. So we went into the season with Paulinho as the main striker and a winger turn striker called Jovan Cabral. And what happened is Paulinho got injured in January and Jovan was injured for most of the season. So we sort of went to the panic stations. There's no striker. We didn't have any money to spend in January window. So we looked to the B team, and then we see that there's between two strikers, which is Jimmy T, of course, and Rodrigo Ribeiro.  And everyone thought it'd be Rodrigo Ribeiro come up because he made his debut against Man City the season before, even though it was like a, we lost five in one aggregate, of course, it's still a massive step for a manager of tape to put in such a young player in that game. So all signs pointed to be Rodrigo Ribeiro. And then a lot of people were surprised when it was actually Timothy who called up because he didn't have the prolific goal scoring for the B team and he didn't seem up the finished product. Whereas Rodrigo Ribeiro obviously isn't as well. He had the, he's sort of the more sporting sort of striker that we were looking for. So what happened is that Jimmy, he had six months left in his contract. Ruben Amrym, who is our manager, said, if you sign an extension, you'll be the backup striker. We won't sign another striker and you'll be, you'll be second. So the contract was signed and I think he made his debut against Benfica away in the stadium of the Loos, which of course, big, like pushing into the deep end. He didn't score, but he had this one opportunity. The ball went through on goal. I believe it was one-one. He had a chance to make it two-one and score. And unfortunately he hit it over the bar, but due to experience everything, that's sort of, sort of what you expect. So then he sort of played a few games here and there. That started while Pauline was injured and I believe he scored three times, including one against Porto as well, which was, was very good. And even after that Porto game, the Porto manager, Sergio Contesau, went over to Chimete and just said, look, you're, you're fantastic. He played well, very well, well done. And coming from Sergio Contesau is, is quite a big compliment for such a young player. But when I say I'm harsh critic, it is because of everything in between. He doesn't have the best technical ability. His first touch is, is pretty bad. He, but he is, he is so raw and it's not his fault, obviously, because he was sort of pushed into it. But from what I've seen the last two years, especially from the academy, Nuno Mendez was 18 and became a solid left back and was great at everything. I think Guzzano and Nassio, same age, came in very good sense back even a few like years, like Mateus Nuno's technical ability from our academy, but still young age and came in, was good straight away. And it was always my opinion that I do think Chimete will be good, but I didn't want him out sporting. I wanted him to develop maybe either in like a mid table team, or just maybe in the B team. To be honest, it has come out of nowhere, but the last few weeks, there was reported interest of record, which is the sort of the number one sort of sporting was for Bournemouth and Chimete. It was going to be 20 million apparently was the, the fee that was going to take it. And then, as you said out of nowhere for Britsie Romano says that the deal in principle was agreed and it's just left to the player. So it definitely has come out of nowhere and I think Everton fans will have to be patient. He is not the finished product. He's very raw. People have compared him to Dominic Carver-Lewin before he joined and I don't have my expert knowledge on that. So that's, that's could be a good comparison, but I think Everton fans have to be patient. He's not the finished product, but he's got the potential definitely to get there. Yeah, I think, I think that's the big thing for Everton is, is that patience and I mentioned Elbil Al Torre earlier on and I think he's a player who Everton want to forwards and they want a younger one and they want a more experienced one. But I think in Elbil Al Torre, they'd have maybe got, I think he's 21, 22, they'd have got a player that has two years of experiencing one of the top five European leagues playing and scoring, not scoring tons, but playing every week, week and week out. So they'd have maybe been able to think, right, well, okay, it kind of ticks two boxes, whereas I think with Shimiti it would definitely be a case of he's coming in, you know, Everton have sold Ellie Sims this summer and rightly so he's gone to Coventry and really I think he's the comparable situation, the probably comparable level of player as well in their own rights and he's one of those that. But even with that transfer to Coventry, sorry to interrupt, it was like so your craze went from Coventry to Sporting, Sims has gone from Everton Sport and then Chimiti has gone to Everton. So is that big transfer triangle, the domino effect, which is quite interesting to see. It is, it is. And it's one of those that maybe in an ideal world Everton have been able to pay the 15 million and then say we'll loan him out to that, you know, we'll loan him out to the championship or we'll even leave him at sporting for you and see how he develops. I guess it's needs must for Everton and the need of forward in and I think from the reported package it's about 15 million euros in terms of an initial fee. And I imagine the down payment will be pretty small, which is crucial for Everton's finances. It's made one of those. Let's get him in now and at least we've got a player there, but I would hope from what I've seen that he's definitely not the only one to come in. So what you've said there definitely backs that up. Just in terms of his, you've said there you're harsh, great, great. In terms of his physicality and his size and his stature, you know, I've read that his stats look pretty decent in the air, but you know, not expecting the world of him. Do you think he's a fit for the Premier League or a shawndy system and a more direct approach? Maybe not right now, but do you think he has the attributes to at least like take those boxes in a few years down the line and then the rest of it is about nurturing his technical ability really? Yeah, most definitely. I mean, we've shawndythed to receive players like Chris Wood, for example, be like a mainstay and Ashley Barnes, wherever he can reach that level in the Premier League. I'm not sure, but the skill set is definitely similar. And I think underdyth could probably mold him to be a player like that. But it is a risky deal for you because I know Everton's finances aren't the greatest at the moment, so it could end up backfiring. But it seems to me that I think in terms of a long-term project, Chimity is a good one to have because I think you can know that, Chim, but it depends with Everton's management recently with the amount of managers they've had, Benitez, Ancelotti and now Sean Dyche, Frank Lampard. Like I said, patience is required. So if you're going to make him a Sean Dyche strike, then obviously Sean Dyche has to see out the tenure in Everton and I don't know if that's going to happen. I mean, from what I've seen of Everton in the transfer market in last season, I hope you don't mind me saying that it was a difficult season for you and it has been for the last sort of two seasons. So like I said, patience is the key word here. But with Chimity, I think it's good that Everton have gone for a project, whereas, you know, Mulpay came in last year and obviously the replacement, you've not got a replacement for Ray Charleston and that was obviously a big miss for you. So it's good to see that Everton have gone for sort of a project player instead of just spending, I guess, on the finished product and I guess if you give the time, it will be, I think will be a good result for you, but it is going to be a big gamble on such a raw prospect. No, I think, yeah, I think most realistic fans would say the same thing and don't worry, there's no harsh critics to Everton, the Neftonians definitely and the club deserve it and it has been a mess and, you know, you mentioned earlier about how you got to January with a few injuries and no strikers and no strikers in. We can definitely emphasise with that and, you know, we actually had to bring Ellie Sims back from a loan that was going perfectly well to then try and plug him in. I mentioned to me to get in front in at the deep end against Benfica. Ellie Sims started two games last season and they were away at Anfield and away at Old Trafford, so it's one of them. I just see it as being a very similar situation, obviously not a similar player, but maybe one that physically suits Dyche better and one that we can nurture and I just hope he's been able to give that time and yeah, he maybe is a move that buys Everton time in the sense of like, okay, they've got the young project player in now. Now it's like, let's see if a more experience for a bit of a stopgap becomes available because it's just the thing with Calvert Llewyan. There's no better player probably for Chimiti to learn off than Calvert Llewyan when you do look at Calvert Llewyan's development from, he was a 1.5 million punt for the academy and then from Needs Must and bad management, ironically, he became the number one striker and then Calvert Llewyan obviously nurtured him into this goal poacher and this big target man player that I suppose if Chimiti can learn off him, there's a real pathway there, but obviously Calvert Llewyan's injury issues have been a cause of Everton's concerns for the last two years. Well, that's great on Chimiti and I think he echoes a lot of what's being said by people who have watched him and you're the expert on this, so we'll just touch a bit maybe on the fee that has been reported. Do you think at 50 million euros to 20 million is the reported fee with a bit of sell-on? Do you reckon sporting would be happy with that? Do you reckon that's a fair fee for the talent and what do you expect sporting to do with that money? So in terms of sporting side of things, I think it's a fantastic deal. I think he only paid 20 plus games last season, obviously his first professional season, well half season really to get 15 million for half a season of a season that ended up in I think three or four goals. Of course, that's a great deal, I think. Obviously there was always that what if Chimiti becomes that sort of star level and gets the value, gets the goals, you think, oh well maybe sport should have held on for a bit longer, but I think here and now without the benefit of hindsight that I think it's a great deal. For Everton, I don't know if it's a good deal for Everton. Like I said, if they see it through, they see the project through then good, but Chimiti has to do a lot of the hard work himself. There's so much for the environment and everything else, but if he doesn't work for it then it's basically, it has to be down to him. But I think where you said he can learn off-cover at Lewy and he didn't have that at sporting, obviously I love Pauline but not a good striker. We had makeshift strikers before that. And obviously our academy is very good and has made great players, but I think learning in the Premier League will probably be good for him and whether Everton have bought him in to be a part of the matchday squad or maybe go out on loan somewhere, be a part of the academy. I think, I think I would say 50-50 for Everton because obviously it is a gamble, but the gamble can be worth the reward for sporting. I think even if we look back at this maybe in five years time and Chimiti does that, it's going to be good. I think here and now it's a good deal and whether we're going to reinvest it, I don't know. So, Jochres was our main signing record signing 24 million altogether. I think it was with the instalments here and there and in pre-season he's looked absolutely incredible. The positions we're looking for to sort of finish the transfer window is a number six to replace Manoio Garte, who left to PSG, and we need a right back because we've only got one registered right back at the moment and that is Ricardo Sgaio who, let's just say, splits opinion in the sporting fan base, but I think the next target for sporting is a six. We've been linked to a guy out in Serie L which I'm not even going to try and pronounce his name because it's Norwegian set in the fielder. Apparently it's a sort of done deal. I guess it's waiting on the Chimiti deal to be completed before we actually go and spend the money. Then it's just the right back who unfortunately we've not had any links recently. So I guess it's sort of one that waiting to see, but definitely I think the six is the first one in. Yeah, and it would be interesting on Saturday over so we mentioned earlier that the teams play each other and it would be like, you know, Chimiti will come over with the squad. I saw someone tweet that, yeah, Everton have been able to save on the jet. It's coming up. Just keep him up there after the friendly. We can do one half for sporting and one half for Everton, who knows. But Giochraves, you mentioned him there. Everton were heavily linked with him. They did actually extensively scout him last summer and think even maybe not inquired but offered. Last summer, Frank Lampard was demanding Premier League experience for a striker, which again probably the wrong route to go down when you end up with Neil Mopey, but Giochraves was definitely there. And then he had this kind of stellar season at Coventry and he is a player that I watched. I think, you know what, that there was doubts over him, but I think he is a good player and I do think Everton should have gone for him. But again, it's just the money you mentioned there, 24 million in installments. Everton just don't have that money. And so you say he's been looking really good in preseason. Everton fans will get to see him in the flesh at good as some more than likely on Saturday. Do you think he's going to be before we touch on Saturdays again? Do you think he's going to be a real staff spot in this year? Yeah, and I mean the price tag is definitely going to weigh heavy. Pauline was our most record signing with, I think it was 17 million euros altogether. And I would say that fee is way heavy on him. Like I said, good player, not a good striker and the goal return hasn't been the best, but he did score the winning goal to give us the title. So I guess he sort of made the feedback by one winning us league and obviously getting us into Champions League gives us a bit of money as well. So probably paid for the fee itself. But Yocrez, again, in preseason, it's great. He has a lot of expectations on him from the sporting fan base at least. And of course the management spending that much on a player for the Portuguese League is quite unforeseen unless you're Benfica who somehow have unlimited funds. But with Porto and Sporting, I think 24 million is probably like the most expensive out of them two clubs. But I think Yocrez would have been a great sign of Everton. And I know he was linked to West Ham and he had a whole bunch of clubs that were interested. Portuguese media reported that Brighton had a buyback clause on him, which they activated just before he went. But apparently he chose Sporting over Brighton. I don't know how true that is. Obviously he's just journalists and reports, but he seems to love the project. And he said so in interviews and Ruben Ambrun has spoken highly of training. Although there was one report about a week ago that said he arrived overweight and that he wasn't fit. And then the game after two days after he scored. So I don't know whether that to be true or maybe just newspapers trying to sell, of course. But he's looking good. And I think hopefully fingers crossed he can stay fit. And it looks like he's going to be a number one strike with Paul. Probably coming off the bench unless there's a formation change in there somewhere. But at the moment, I've been really impressed with him. And I guess it's up to him to continue to form. But from what I've seen from him, looking incredible, looking 24 million could actually look like a bargain deal at the end of the day. Well, yeah, I look forward to seeing him play on Saturday. And yeah, fine, we'll touch on that game. It's always the last few pre-seasons because of COVID and everything. And then coming off even a truncated pre-season last year because of the World Cup. The season started so early in August. It feels like it's felt like this is the first pre-season in a while that's been a proper pre-season. At least from an Everton's perspective, I don't know what sporting have necessarily been doing. Everton have been just really staying at home. They went and did a training camp in the Alps. But then they're staying around the UK and playing a few championship and league one teams. And then they're finishing with the final week before the season starts against a big European team. For a few years in a row, it was a Spanish side. You know, Valencia, Villarreal, Sevilla, and now it's sporting. So I think the last time we played sporting would have been 2010, 2009, 2010, and that didn't end well. I think Everton had gone, Everton was controlling the first leg in a Europe League last 16 match, I think, or last 32 when it might have been then.  Mathias Fernandez, yeah. I absolutely loved him at the time. It was like that was the number 10, the archetypal number 10 was all in vogue, wasn't it? He was a brilliant player. And then you were sporting battered everything in the second leg. So what do you expect for Saturday? Obviously, I know it's friendly. Do you think it's sporting pretty much geared up, ready for the season now? Ruben Armourim, obviously a really highly, really coach. What can Everton's expect on Saturday? Expect to see. So pre-season for us has gone very well. The last pre-season game was actually sort of one of the pre-season trophies called the Fire Violins in English, which is just an homage to five of our legends that played, I think, between the 1940s and 50s. And we ended up beating Villarreal 3-0. So obviously Villarreal, very good team in Spain. So it was a great result. And there's been a few other results. We've had really good results against foreign teams, but teams that are also quite well in Europe. So Sporting Training Camp was in the Algarve, and it has been for the last four or five years. And I guess it's been a transitional formation period, because Ruben Armourim is trying to test different formations. I think last year we finished fourth, and for a team of our calibre was not good enough. We finished below Braga. We finished below Benfica and Porto, as much as it pays me to say the norm for sporting. So I guess that, as much as I want to finish above them, it makes sense to finish below, especially Benfica, the amount they spent and Porto, just a good team overall. But finishes in fourth below Braga meant some things had to change, and hence some sales. Ygarte pretty much funded our transfer window, because we didn't get into the Champions League, got into the Europa League. And we've made record sales with Ygarte and Chamity going out. I'm sure there's a few others that I'm missing off the top of my head as well, but it's really obvious. But there's been a few players that have gone out. We've got a few sort of back payments from having still-on-fesa players like Gonzalo Plata and a few others as well. So we've made a lot of money. We spent the majority of it apart from, like I said, we need that six coming in. But in terms of the overall game against Everton, I think we'll look to continue our good pre-season form. I believe we're undefeating in pre-season. So I think that continues. Obviously, I will not be able to go to the game as I'm on holiday the day after, which is really annoying how they have to schedule it like that. But I know a lot of my friends are going to Goodersham Park and travelling down. And I've never been to that side of England, but I've heard Everton has a passion that I saw. I want to say, I don't know if it was last season or the year before when you were battling relegation and you had the team welcome, like the flares and things. I want to say that was maybe two seasons ago. Yeah, it was. Well, they tried it last year as well at the start of last year and it just didn't really click again. But yeah, the end of 2021-22, which yeah, probably the most euphoria should be the wrong word. But you know, the unity that the club had and the fans had. But there's very much, yeah, Everton have been a mess. But yeah, the fans is pretty much the best thing they've got. So yeah, I mean, maybe not exactly the same for a pre-season friendly, but definitely, yeah, definitely have that atmosphere and yeah, the blue smoke and everything. It was pretty memorable just for the wrong reasons, really. Yeah, of course. But I remember that game pretty well. Was it with Charleston scoring the goal that pretty much kept you safe? I think it might have been Calvallun. Calvallun, yeah, the Crystal Palace game, yeah. That was it, yeah. So I mean, I'm looking for a good game. I think it'll still be a competitive game. You've known it's pre-season. This is, I think, both teams last game before the new season starts. So it'll be interesting to see. The way sport is always incredible for sporting. I was lucky enough to be at the Arsenal game last year where we won penalties and that was incredible. I've decided that I hate penalty shootouts after being in that crowd. I've never felt so sick or so nervous at the same time. But yeah, there's a way sport for sporting has always been amazing. So I'm hoping that even though it is a pre-season, we sort of bring that away day like match atmosphere to good as soon. I'm sure your fans will do the same as well. Really? Yeah, look forward to it. And hopefully, hopefully, Sam, we'll get your meteor over the line, I guess. And thanks again for speaking through it. I think from Evan's point of view, it would just be nice to get that striker in and boost the fans. But yeah, definitely patience needed. And it does appear that it's definitely not a done deal by all the talk. It's that Everton and sporting have agreed a feast. Sporting obviously open to selling him. And now it may be even having that hard task of persuading the player who maybe doesn't want to join. But if it's been made clear, you know, Gokorez is the first choice. Paulino, the second choice maybe. That pathway isn't going to be there for him at sporting. And that will twist his arm. But it'll be interesting to see. And yeah, let's hope for a good injury free game on Saturday. Yeah, most definitely. Bit of intensity, but nothing too intense. Let's put it that way. Well, thanks for joining me, Sam. Where can people follow you on social media? And how can people tune into the podcast? So the podcast handle on all sorts of things videos at 80 alfalars, which is short for all things. If you want to follow me personally, it's at south on second on Twitter. And my name is there. You can see. But yeah, if you anyone, if you have any questions, DMs feel free to DM me or the podcast account. DMs are open. So feel free to ask them questions. We'll be happy to answer as many as we can. Really. And thanks a lot for joining us, Sam. Thank you for the invite. Thank you very much.


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No, yeah the verge reports that is 15 000 employees It is 15 000 employees, uh I talked to some people within uber yesterday And uh, this is fairly consistent with what uh, you are are hearing from inside I mean a lot of people believe that not only here's here's a lot of what I think the general public did not see is that uh calinic over the last few months has effectively went into the public square of uber's uh, uh hq in san francisco and literally just Got hit with the hair whip by any employee that wanted to hit him in these town hall meetings Asking him tough questions as he repeated over and over. I want to do better. I want to do better. I want to do better Uh beyond that and a bunker mentality that they feel was eventually preached by uh the the board I think that it's it's understandable For these employees to say well, hey, this guy brought us to this point Why are we going away from it because outsiders want that to happen? Yeah, yeah, uh and and the board are always considered outsiders by employees That's just the way of things because the board doesn't walk around Doing town hall meetings and and talking to people every day. So they even though they aren't technically outsiders They definitely feel like outsiders Now here are some more top stories facebook has launched a new feature in india that lets users choose to prevent others from sending Sharing or downloading their profile picture. It also stops strangers from tagging themselves in a profile image Protective profile images will have a blue border and on android screenshots of the picture will not be allowed where possible It's been a problem in india that people will screenshot profile pictures and then Use them in ways that from the just not approved to the harassing And this is an effort by facebook to combat that I'm kind of surprised this hasn't happened earlier I've had friends of mine that have had their pictures scraped and put into different profiles where people are presenting themselves not as The people whose picture they've stolen but other people who would like to pretend that they are Uh the the in this case a lady that uh that they stole the pictures from It seems like kind of a no-brainer feature But you know, I'm sure it's probably on some long list of things to eventually get to and india finally gave them The reason to push that to the top Yeah, I mean what you're talking about is pervasive around the world But it's not the worst abuse just stealing a picture and pretending to be somebody else There's a lot of other things going on. We don't know if facebook has any plans to bring this outside of india Uh, but it is something that a lot of people have been hoping would be implemented there Recode report sources tell it tesla Yes tesla the auto manufacturer Is in talks with music labors labels over launching a streaming service to be bundled with its cars Meanwhile, apple's deal with music labels for apple musics expires at the end of june Bloomberg reports that its sources say apple is trying to get a reduction of the 58 Royalty rate in exchange for a guarantee of subscriber growth so streaming remember A year ago, maybe two years ago The the the tone of the debate was streaming services are ripping us off They're undermining artists and and the record labels were trotting out as many artists They could convince to do it to hammer away against streaming services these streaming services they they don't pay enough we get Tense a hundredths of a cent per song. It's it's nothing. It's horrible until The streaming services finally reached scale Uh at which point the record labels are saying well, yeah, I mean if you can guarantee this many subscribers We'll cut that rate no problem that that that rate that we said was usurious a year ago forget. We'll make it lower. It's fine. It's fine Yeah, that was only if you were going to be a growing company. Oh, well now Well, we'll step right this way mr. Apple mr. Spotify. Oh mr. Musk is so good to see you I hear you have a birthday coming up. What if you started some music streaming we could could we interested in doing that? uh, all right real quick tesla As its own roll your own music streaming service a lot of people kind of gave this a big fat On twitter when the report broke uh I kind of think it's it's it's sort of brilliant that In my household, we already have two music Streaming services in spotify and apple music if I was really rich. I'd probably have one for uh One whose name escapes me just so I could get their album exclusives for rihanna Beyonce and jz, but Uh, if you buy a tesla, why shouldn't it come with a streaming music service as well that you don't have to hook up your phone for I'll tell you why because now I have to manage another service I don't want that I just want the service I use to be available in my car And if I switch services, I don't want to have to switch cars to make it work Yeah, but I guess the idea is it works if it's even easier Right, and I guess Is it yeah, I mean like we know how it's gonna be implemented Just give me access to the music service I have right now Make it easy you can do that But don't create a new service that I gotta sign it I know it's free. I know it came with the car But now I have to manage more playlists and move things over Wait, where did I add that song? Was it in the car or was it all my music service on my phone? No, I don't like that at all All right, I feel like you're being a curmudgeon two corrections number one jz Uh, the the music service that jz has bought into is title and number two Uh, just to correct that that uber story. Uh, we are getting uh pushback that it's Uh 15 000 employees 1000 signatures. That's what I said. Yeah, and I think I confused you and everyone else thousand signatures Yes, out of 15 000 employees There we go Just to be clear you asked me 15 000. I thought you were meaning the employees Yeah, no, no, no, so yeah 1000 signatures 15 000 employees just in case everybody's confused Good. Have we put that to rest? All right, it's rest Waymo added a filing to its trade secrets lawsuit against uber accusing the ride hailing company of contempt As part of the case's discovery process uber revealed on june 5th That back in march of 2016 anthony levandowski told then ceo travis kalinick That levandowski had five disks of google information uber says calinick told levandowski you leave that stuff at home Uh, that uber did not want the information Don't bring it to uber levandowski told uber the disks have been destroyed and uber says it never knew what was on them Could have been copies of windows 3.1 as far as they know No idea what it is waymo claims that the delayed disclosure of the conversation However, still violates judge william alsop's order to turn over any information related to google When the case was first put into court earlier this year We were talking earlier today About exactly how relevant this story is considering that calinick is the former ceo and levandowski is a former employee of uber You see calinick's still a board member though Former ceo. Yeah And levandowski is is former everything. Yes. All right levandowski is on a permanent leave Considering how many how many problems he brought to that company. I feel like everybody all 15,000 employees Is uh address of their address books off their phone You seem to believe that this still is Uh, a bigger thing than than now people are making uh making out of it The media is making out of it because it is so vital to uber's future. Yeah, I think it shows That some people Have an interest in telling a salacious story about travis calinick And when that story is no longer interesting that part they're part of their interest in this goes away But to be honest the importance here is that Waymo the alphabet company could shut down uber's ability to research autonomous cars Uh, it's it's possible now. It's not a foregone conclusion And even if waymo wins the case they could win it in such a way that uber still is able to continue with their research But this is an existential threat to uber's future It doesn't affect what they do right now The existential threat to what they do right now is the entire missing C-level organization and the 14 member committee that's running, uh, the company So it I think this is incredibly significant the case is incredibly significant to uber's future This particular revelation Is interesting it's interesting that this conversation happened whether this ends up playing Significantly in the eventual decision of the case. I doubt plot twist all five disks Were aol copies with over 15,000 free hours I got these I got these 15 free hours from aol that I you know, I picked up a google They're they're google's disk.  Hold on That again Google glass received a firmware and companion smartphone app update the first update for the app send september 2014 How young we were the my glass companion app now let's users hook up bluetooth devices Like keyboards and mice to the glass headsets glass is still used by many Enterprise settings Yeah glass never went away Uh, what happened is there was a nice public implosion and google backed far away from What had turned into a press nightmare around it but there were companies that had deployed it into factory settings and enterprise settings and They have continued to use it and work with google on it since that time There's a team dedicated to just that and I'm not surprised that they would say at some point Well, you know a lot of these enterprise companies have developed their own apps for interacting with it But we need to update the app for these other companies. So let's do that I don't know that this means google glass is alive any more than I personally believe google glass was ever totally dead Okay, we got this is another thing Because I I said when they began refocusing google glass for enterprise that this was indeed google glass receding from Most public consciousness and yes, it is safe to say that google glass Is not dead in the same way that rick springfield is still touring throughout the united states And europe you can go to your county fair and you can see rick springfield perform if Want google glass you can still get it you can still use it at a very specific setting But otherwise google glass is dead for all intents and purposes All right, you forced my hand and my apologies to those who watched the twitch stream with me adjusted earlier today But the better comparison is steve largent former seahawks quarterback and eventually head of the ctia Who went from pop? You know sports star Sure enterprise stalwart. That's exactly what google google glass is following the largent plan Oh stop it You are insulting steve largent if you are comparing his contribution to the enterprise world of america to that of google glass Apologize to steve largent He was in that position for 11 years Listen, i'll apologize to steve largent for calling him a quarterback when i believe that he was in fact a wide receiver But i will not apologize for that comparison You should you owe steve largent an apology and i won't stop until i won't I'm resting now. All right. I've already run out of steve. All right fine Uh, but all you want who knew we would be talking about google glass this week, though. Huh? How about that? uh Chinese bicycle sharing company mo bike has set up a subsidiary in fukuoka japan With plans to begin service there later in the year mo bike has launched service in singapore and manchester in the uk as part of its expansion outside china uh, so this is Uh, this is the company to watch. I don't do this often enough I sort of talk about a company several times and figure like you'll catch on you'll you'll get that this is interesting like with line I was talking about line for years I think mo bike is is one of those companies to keep an eye on that they are going to become Quite a lot bigger than you would expect from a bike sharing company because there's tons of bike sharing companies And tons of different ways of doing bike sharing around the world, but mo bike seems to have cracked the code on this So you are saying that this is your tom merit lead pipe lock of the century that mo bike Yeah, mo bike is my is my one to watch Yeah Uh, what what is it about it that that you feel so confident that uh, it has something that the others don't Uh, the ability to create high customer satisfaction And the ability to figure out markets to move into Before people start talking about why you haven't moved into markets. They're ahead of the game and It's it's just typical that if a company doesn't come out of the silicon valley bubble it often gets overlooked Do you think it's limited to places that have a certain kind of bicycle culture though? Obviously china and and and singapore and and even the uk which does not is is its own Uh, uh, you know very specific way of getting around like the a bike is is worth more or less Yeah, no, it's limited to the majority of the surface of the earth where people Are part of bike culture. You're right Uh, not going to play well in texas true calm down. Well, I mean, you know tell that to to lance Except for austin, right Uh, man, I'll tell you what I'll tell everything's we started talking about steve largett. He's got like A confident side of tom A while Uh mo bike Keep an eye on but no, I think this is fascinating and I think it'll be interesting to see Like all right can you know, and they're they're not picking tokyo in london I mean singapore singapore you don't go to singapore without going to singapore because that's all there is there And it's going to get hell of a bike culture and it's you know, very close To where mo bike came up in china. So that makes a lot of sense trying well Secondary markets in japan and the uk is very interesting. Singapore is also rich Which is yeah for sure element is that it is both tiny and rich Which may may not be mo bikes best play Uh, because this is for You know, maybe somebody's like a ride hailing service is too rich for my blood, but a bike hailing service bike sharing service Yeah, I can get on board with that Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines in each day about five minutes is all you need Go subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com You can also get it as a flash briefing on your amazon echo and in the anchor app At anchor dot fm. I've been getting lots of cool calls from people on the anchor app, which is kind of a fun thing Yeah, that is a look at our top stories Except Facebook has changed its mission. Justin. Yeah Old mission statement making the world more open and connected New mission statement closing all down No, that's that's not it at all Facebook said, you know making the world more open and connected was good But it had some downsides that we didn't anticipate As far as people isolating themselves even while they're connected etc etc So the new mission statement is give people the power to build community And bring the world closer together. They say it's not it's not enough to just open it up And and make the connection available. You've got to encourage people to get along with each other So their goal is to help 1 billion people join meaningful Communities facebook chief product officer chris cox told tech crunch We're getting to a size where it's worth really taking a careful look At what are all the things that we can do to make social media the greatest force for good possible Now this is interesting and we're going to take this in a in a little bit of a different direction but before we do Facebook is now seen as a company responsible for your social welfare and i'm not saying they're getting a pass They're planning your criticisms of facebook still out there But the old five years ago of like i hate facebook tone has mellowed considerably and facebook mark zuckerberg in particular doing a lot to say hey, no folks. We really want to improve And it feels like people are Receptive to that And part of that as we're going to get into in a second is him trying to take more Active responsibility to his own image personally knowing that that means something as it reflects on his company But there is no doubt that facebook was chased in by the 2016 election And specifically their initial response that they didn't really feel like they had much to do with the outcome That was slapped back uh on and said that no you you know exactly that these Fake news things are spreading and that that you could have done more you could have uh help algorithmically or more specifically helped shape a better discourse in The american democracy and then of course extrapolate that to around the world However, exactly go with the however However Let's focus on zuckerberg The man and his uh shaping of himself as a ceo because You know before he was uh Having his fun little yearly challenges about learning mandarin and only eating what he killed and uh on the Jarvisization of his own house taking a tour to meet the people Or to meet the people uh to meet local newspaper writers in mississippi or alabama. I can't remember doing things that If let's assume that he is not trying to set up a run for president He is certainly doing things that politicians do to bring forth his humanity Put that on display. So the only thing he is judged on is not Just the the output of this larger organization that he is tied to Before that The uh next web writes he bore A closer than passing resemblance to another founder and ceo who has had A less exciting week, right tom. Yeah, brian clark on the next web Wrote an article called mark zuckerberg was travis kolanik before we ever knew the name Now some of the comparisons are a little bit strained in my uh in my opinion, but I think clark has a point zucker the mid 2000s was bro culture of the mid 2000s He played fast and loose with rules the criticism of facebook at the time was they didn't have enough women working there Uh that they moved fast and broke things and that you you had to play along with their rough culture to get along They had plenty of pr disasters in their day. They had legal trouble They have been accused of stealing intellectual property, uh the winklevoss twins and held up as an emblem of what's wrong with tech I think it's easy to forget with the zuckerberg makeover that he used to be considered somewhat of an impending disaster And what clark gets absolutely right is the difference between zuck and kolanik is that zuck got advice from bill gates steve jobs And was willing to let sharyl sandberg come in as coo and provide a stabilizing and helpful influence Here's what I don't want this to devolve into uh Because I think it is a harmful an actively harmful element for people that Uh are are following tech news that care about tech news but Can easily get trapped in what I believe to be lazy narratives because I don't think that mark zuckerberg is the same person as travis Kalanik, I think that they are their own people that have their own pluses and minuses that what they share is What happens when a tech company in silicon valley? uh facebook in uh, you know the south bay and and kalanik in san francisco drawing from the same pool of people Explodes and some of that stuff is uh a symptom of of organizations larger than them As in the gender imbalance and not to say that silicon valley companies can't do better To help remedy that but part of it is a larger culture that's that it goes as far as a public school education and Colleges of higher learning not turning out the same amount of women in these very important fields as they should all that being said when faced with similar issues mark zuckerberg took a different path than than travis uh, kalanik and I don't I don't feel comfortable saying That the reasons why they made the decisions that they did are because Of them reflecting inside of themselves Instead of they were facing vastly different challenges Uh, uh, kalanik for uber to survive It had to be aggressive and fight it had to move fast and break things To be the company that it was now you can do that more responsibly as the board has obviously made the decision uh But zuckerberg did not face that necessarily he did he did not face the idea that every single day He had to make decisions on how to defy city and state governments because of what they felt to be unjust restrictive laws well Sure, maybe although you could argue that in europe facebook has done just that uh, I I think for me the the difference between them is that it's It's tempting to want to say it's the system that's wrong. It's the person that's wrong and it's both uh, the system At in tech does allow for this to happen Don't forget facebook was started because zuckerberg and his friends wanted to look at pictures of girls In college. All right, so this is not a pure intention beginning. Uh, I'm not condemning it either I'm not saying anything one way or another But I'm saying is that this started out of what people often call bro culture It started facebook started right out of that Mark zuckerberg is a different guy than travis kalanick and The advisors around him were different. Does the system allow for these mistakes? Yes, but it takes the people to make the mistakes and so Maybe the system could be modified a little to help people not make those mistakes But if you have the right person with the right personality, he'll convince anybody to do anything And I think that's kind of what you're seeing Sure And I do think it's safe to say that we're not seeing the whole story And and that would probably be an argument by both these people is that a lot of the decisions that we see that are portrayed through the The lenses that we see them are from their perspective distorted if not unfair and uh, uh, these decisions are not for example There is a large thought inside of uber that it is not that that the altruistic idea of of uber has crossed the line and finally it's time for us to get uh, You know a responsible ceo in here because we need to be a more responsible company is a justification for You want to know what this is going to hurt the ipo? So we just need you to get out of here travis so we can so we can move this ipo along on Again when you look at facebook what happened is concerned people stepped in and said let's help you get better What happened at uber was uh, people ignored a problem until it was really bad and then said You know what we're just going to throw the baby out with the bathroom What there was also the idea with uber that uh, they uber felt From as I understand it, uh, uh, calinic felt kind of burned by the fact that he'd we like uber Got different kinds of investors because people thought that his business model wasn't workable That that you couldn't break the tax unions that it was going to be a gigantic money pit and ultimately he was going to fail so There's an element inside of him that says well, then what the hell do you guys know? I built the fastest growing company of all time Yeah, I did it by does it give you a blank check to do whatever you want Uh, but maybe you should After a leave of absence, you know give the ceo a chance to say, okay Let's see what let's see what you can do Uh, and and and I I think we touched on this yesterday, but I think it underlies a a lack of faith in the business model and a Sort of a secondary concern that was there all along and has nothing to do with any of these controversies That says, you know what? Maybe we should just change the helm And this gives us a chance to justify it You know it it it's a very complex Issue and and it's one that I always Personally and this is not me, you know lecturing anybody, but I just know for me trying to understand these stories Is I always want to be open to the idea that I don't know everything and this is not simply about A toxic founders culture, uh, I think that very much it does have to do With an element of gender imbalance, uh I mean What if I if I may I think what you're saying is all of these are problems that need to be fixed But that isn't the only story going well at very least need to be understood before before we we You know as we do in celebrity culture because again these people are celebrities. There's a reason why Mark Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg doesn't want to go to a random house in in Ohio and sit down for meatloaf dinner Like I'm sure he could think of another thing that he would like to do on that day Why does he do it because he wants to be thought of better? So his company who he feels Uh a tremendous leadership for Will not be felt worse about because they feel bad because in in large part people feel bad about him And that's the problem that callinic did find himself in is all of a sudden when He's yelling at an uber driver No matter how much He feels ah that was surreptitiously recorded and they really kind of took things out of Context and at least i'm writing in my own service and i'm not taking some other cab or ensuring that people aren't recording me I don't have a private driver At the end of the day people tied that video to The the the sexual harassment letters to every other story he became the symptom That or the root cause of all these other symptoms Uh and he let his personal pr Effect the company and that is a part if not the full story of why he is no longer to see Hey, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you can spit stories and vote on him a daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Uh a bunch of quick messages the day do appreciate it when you guys, uh have good concise thoughts A jason from hardly any sunshine minnesota says hey guys you're mentioned about amazon blocking competitors websites It was a patent that would allow that uh in in locations Made me think of our local grocery store switching to satellite radio to prevent ads from the competing chain Blaring in the produce section nothing new under the sun says jason my least least favorite kind of articles ever is let's find patent filings and assign Narratives to them Russell says on yesterday's show you and petrick We're discussing the possibility that twitter could monetize things like superlikes or something similar letting people promote their feeds in other Ways we run a fairly robust twitter feed for our business and think that we could certainly take advantage of something like this to promote clients projects Etc at the individual level it might not work as well, but for a business the cost might be relatively smaller I'll tell you what sounds like a decent way Jupe says ola and good day from the tropical heat in the netherlands As you shortly discussed uber in the railroad era Go watch hell on wheels from amc. Also my suggestion for cord killers contest Yeah, so the uber of the railroad era is apparently the narrative in hell on wheels which takes place in the 19th century There we go big shout out to common And then on wednesday show scott was trying to identify an apt comparison to the current general perceptions of lift versus uber And paul and springfield virginia would like to suggest target and walmart Oh nice Yeah, I guess target being lift walmart being over well walmart walmart Yeah, I mean Although I don't know whenever we get into these these apple just kind of things. It's always Uh, it my my my reaction is always yeah Wait, I mean it's an analogy, right? You can't push it too far Uh, but thank you just robber young as always for joining us what you got going on to tell folks about Well next week. I'm going to talk to you all about my upcoming kickstarter. Uh, wait. No, I won't I'll be already gone during Nurtacular so this week. 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I'm a mo bicky man from a mo bicky zucker bro the prezzy Adapt on no offense though Uh mered explains mo bike tom stop it class number went away No more service silos I like cars as a service but justin asked tom to stop tom won't apologize I do like I we did this with patrick one day. I like these descriptive titles as potential ideas Well, there's also the one with the 90s references That uh, there's just itself a 90s reference to friends. That's amazing Well, right now, uh, justin asked tom to stop tom won't apologize and facebook's new model hashtag portal to heaven Hashtag heaven portal or oh Justin asked tom's done at the top I don't always enjoy flawed CEOs I like to have a colonic We did have an uber title yesterday. So it would be kind of nice to to change it up an uber it, uh to non-uberant Generally some old francisco franco is still dead Yeah, that happens You know, that's one thing that's 100 you can be sure of when someone's dead. They stay dead I wouldn't say that That's fine It's wager on it I had a friend named shelly all top Who had whose heart had stopped and she was legally dead and then she came back When she was a child I thought my dad was dead for 13 years Oh It's just lost in the supermarket Got me lost in a super Motoring tom musk's music Uh I really I really like either justin asked time to stop tom on apologize or the one with the 90s references I I've kind of split between those very two myself Nobody will write a steve large in one which I would have immediately thrown my full and unconditional Even if it had one fun One vote if it was just the one with the steve large in reference but I've run out of patience for someone to do it So I would say either the one with the 90s reference or I'm gonna go i'm gonna go justin asked tom to stop just tom won't apologize for two reasons First reason being I really want to encourage this style of headline where we just describe Because I think that could be our want the one with uh meme But second secondly Uh, I also think that the 90s references don't deliver. We didn't make enough of them Yeah In the episode so I'm I'm with it. I'm with it. All right Justin asked tom to stop you should make a vote apologize Make a mental note drop in more 90s references Oh, yeah Throw in a few more smash mouth It's hell not only two My problem is as much as limin thinks I make them I make them unintentionally. I didn't listen to a lot of uh Mainstream music in the 90s mainstream music I'm sure our local music in the 90s. I remember listening to a lot of jesus jones Really a lot of jesus jones was there that much to listen to No, it was just constant constantly like on looping Or what do they call it row heavy rotation That's the bucket Then there is also the kitchens of distinction And bunch of other really annoying british bands There are a lot the 90s There's republic, uh, there's a lot of one hit wonders that rolled in and out That's right. I remember the 90s Dad and that guy from savage garden With that jacket That leather jacket that seems so popular in the 90s tvz gone Because lunchman is his dreams have been crushed because he he had the one with the 90s references as the title submission Which does have the most votes? And tvz gone says it's difficult when you have the one with the most votes But this show like america is not truly a democracy I am the guy who points out your 90s references Nice I'm gonna try to make more 20s references So like what what what would be what would be a sweet 20s reference like flapper jokes Yeah flappers and Like that gin maybe yeah, well, yeah, yeah prohibition stuff, right, right I'm gonna pop off a few real sweet teapot dome scandal cracks What a f scott fits gerald Also thrown liberally of the use of brother.  No, it was the term brother was used a lot back then. Well, let me tell you brother It's just the way you enunciated brother. Can you spare a dime? Although that's 30s, but yeah, same area roughly I mean I think I think hulk hogan might have ruined that term because every time you hear brother you might just hear hulk hogan It's like uh macho man randy savage. You can't Help but think that you need to eat some prunes when you hear anything said by that man. Yeah Always say everything twice. Yeah, always say everything twice Yeah And finish with oh, yeah Yeah Then I think I think of that and I also think of um Chewing tobacco like skull Because that was big in the 90s in my college in my community jc Oh, really? Yeah, just a lot of guys chew in a couple of girls to chew Skull was pretty popular in my high school You get the uh, you get the little circular outline your back pocket Yep, because he was a little canister there and red man Maybe we did every man.  What was the thing? What was the thing? What was the uh like Baseball players used to do like amphetamines. Was it greenies? Yes, Sarah, but why does that make me think of daryl porter? He his drug of choice was cocaine, but yeah, oh, um Who was it on the cardinals that was accused of greenies? Now I can't remember p rose no Tony scott, maybe uh, I don't want to say that for sure just in case Tony It was apparently a fairly pervasive thing. I was One of the best I would say the best wrestling podcast that's out there is something to wrestle with Bruce pritchard Who is a former wwe talent executive and writer for years and years and years and years And uh, he was talking about a discussion. He had with uh an mlb Executive for a similar amount of time and how especially in the 70s especially in the 70s and 80s The the drugs that the athletes and the performers and wrestling were using were effectively the same because they had a lot of the same road schedule uh, and it was You know the same kind of uh, you know cocaine and and amphetamines like the trucker pills basically In the morning to get you up and to keep you going, uh, maybe right before the show or the game and then Booze and pot and everything and pills to wind you down. You had to put you down ludes no ludes Without ludes. I mean unless you're you're really trying to party All right, I I know nothing about the off-camera lifestyle of Big name baseball players or professional wrestlers professional wrestlers either one Uh, yeah, I mean all of me All I know is what what I've been told to on the podcast Did you have did you ever have a hankering as a in your younger days to be like a A w w f or w w like groupie. We're not groupie, but like you were just working That uh group is really better. No, you know, I had a friend of mine that uh, uh Went through a few interviews to become a writer Because they do a lot of hiring for writers out of the new york stand-up scene And uh, so he got wind of it and wound up getting a few uh a few levels in to the interview process but uh It it it's it's I've known of you people that have worked there Almost universally It's it might not be the best place in the world to work It's it's a far better place to watch Than to work from from what I hear just because it's uh It's a grueling schedule and it's a mom-and-pop business and uh and ultimately Still it's still a mom-pop It's a publicly traded company, but there is one man who makes all the decisions and uh that I can't remember how much of this story I can tell but There was a I know people that worked on a a television show that uh the wwe was commissioning for their network And they were told very specifically That uh, they wanted one thing right they wanted uh They they wanted this very very specific bill of goods And so they went and they shot it and it was great. The first cut was Awesome it was everything that any wrestling fan could want It was exactly what they asked for they went every step of the of of the way They were like, hey, are you sure you want us to show this? Are you sure you want us to show that all they got back was yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes They put together they're so proud of it. They submit it and uh, unfortunately, there's one man that Was not on board with those those decisions and the people that gave them the yeses all the way along the All along the way all of a sudden changed their mind when the man upstairs said that he was not down with those decisions and The entire thing was spiked and redone Uh from from from that point on and at that point they were like, all right, this is Turns out the rumors were true.  Yeah Yeah, I think everyone has a similar story in whatever field out there and I think that's probably one of the more so is it what they is it kind of goes in line with the whole thing It's like you don't really want to meet your ears Oh, yeah. Oh for sure and and let alone I think it's it's if we are to combine and braid cliches. It is uh braid. I love that braid cliches You don't want to meet your heroes and you don't want to know how the sausage is made, right?  I'm all right. Uh Thanks everybody for watching or listening and we will speak to you again soon Indeed actually


For more than 30 years, W-beam guardrails have been one of the most common types of guardrails used on our nation's roadways. Strong post W-beam guardrails are versatile systems that can be used in many types of situations. Every state uses some type of W-beam guardrail system in its state standards. The typical strong post guardrail consists of a 10 or 12 gauge W-beam. You can use 6x9 steel posts, or 6x8 inch wood posts and block outs, and an appropriate terminal. Strong post W-beam guardrails have been shown to be effective for small cars, mid-sized cars, and large cars. Unfortunately these systems are not nearly as effective for larger vehicles like the school bus. The center of gravity of the bus is much higher than the barrier. Instead of being redirected by the barrier, the bus simply rolls over onto it. Containing larger vehicles like school buses, inter-city buses, single unit trucks, and tractor trailer trucks has become increasingly important on some roadways. A need for higher performance guardrails that would safely redirect both typical passenger cars as well as trucks and buses was the motivation behind the development of the Thrive-Beam Guardrails. Thrive-Beam is similar to W-beam, but there are several differences. The W-beam has two corrugations. The Thrive-Beam has three. W-beam is 12 and a quarter inches deep. But Thrive-Beam is 20 inches deep because of the extra corrugation. The standard Thrive-Beam barrier, called the G9 Guardrail in the Roadside Design Guide, was developed to improve the performance of the strong post guardrail systems. Normally, the top of the W-beam on a typical strong post system is 27 inches above the ground. The top of the Thrive-Beam can be placed 32 inches above the ground because it is 8 inches deeper. The G9 system extends 3 inches lower and 5 inches higher than the normal G4 W-beam Guardrail. The higher mounting height of the Thrive-Beam was expected to make the system more effective than the W-beam in collisions with large vehicles. Here we see some of the results of that testing. Like W-beam systems, the Thrive-Beam Guardrail performs well in impacts with typical passenger cars. Unfortunately, the G9 Guardrail performed little better than the strong post W-beam Guardrail in this school bus collision. The bus still rolled over. This performance was not at all acceptable. The modified Thrive-Beam was developed specifically to provide better performance in large vehicle impacts while also performing well for passenger vehicles. The primary difference between the modified and the standard Thrive-Beam systems is the shape of the blockout. The purpose of Guardrail blockouts is to keep the vehicle wheels from contacting the Guardrail post. The modified Thrive-Beam blockout is much deeper than the typical blockout and it has a unique notch at the bottom. During an impact, this notch closes up causing the Thrive-Beam to remain nearly vertical as the post rotates in the soil. The modified Thrive-Beam Guardrail, while performing well in large and small car tests, provides drastically improved performance with larger vehicles like this school bus, as well as this 32,000 pound coach bus. Even after this severe test, this bus was still operational. These crash tests show the modified Thrive-Beam can contain and redirect a much wider range of vehicles than either the standard Thrive-Beam or W-Beam Guardrail systems. The modified Thrive-Beam will safely contain and redirect cars weighing less than 2000 pounds, as well as large coach buses weighing more than 32,000 pounds. Using safe crash-tested terminals and transitions is as important with the modified Thrive-Beam as any other Guardrail system. Any standard W-Beam terminal can be used as an in-treatment by using a transition W-Beam element to splice the Thrive-Beam to a W-Beam. Some accidents with Guardrails result in spearing and overturning. The chance of these types of accidents can be greatly reduced by using crash-tested terminals and transitions. Once the transition to a W-Beam is made, a breakaway cable terminal, CAT, ET2000, or any other W-Beam terminal can be used. This same transition element can be used to provide transitions to upstream and downstream W-Beam Guardrails and bridge rails. The sentry Guardrail terminal can be attached directly to the modified Thrive-Beam since it uses Thrive-Beam fender panels. Improved performance alone is not adequate justification for spending more money on roadside hardware. Highway departments always have many needs and too few resources. In several demonstration projects, the modified Thrive-Beam system costs between $25 and $30 per linear foot. Only a few dollars more per foot than the standard Thrive-Beam barrier while offering substantially better performance. This cost will probably decrease as the modified Thrive-Beam becomes a more popular alternative. If there's a good chance of a larger vehicle collision, the reduction in maintenance cost may be significant. In this test, 156 feet of W-Beam Guardrail were destroyed and would need to be completely replaced. The cost of repairing this damaged Guardrail would be about $1900. The same impact conditions with the modified Thrive-Beam resulted in damage to only 50 feet of Guardrail. The cost to repair the Guardrail after this collision would be less than $1200, $700 less than the repair cost for the W-Beam Guardrail. Many of the posts were not seriously damaged and could probably be reused, resulting in even greater savings. The modified Thrive-Beam Guardrail can also tolerate many nuisance hits without any adverse effect on the system's performance. This collision with a small car only bent six of the blockout tabs and displaced the posts a little more than one inch. The bent tabs were repaired using an automobile bumper jack and hammer. For sites where accidents occur frequently, the reduced maintenance cost of the modified Thrive-Beam will often offset the higher installation cost. The modified Thrive-Beam Guardrail can be integrated into standards that already make use of a strong post W-Beam Guardrail system. It is certainly not appropriate for every location where a W-Beam Guardrail might be used. But for locations with significant truck traffic or locations that are frequently struck, the reduction in maintenance cost and the improved performance make the modified Thrive-Beam an attractive alternative to traditional W-Beam Guardrails.


Next time you're here with me, you should be thinking about us, all right? We're here with the National Youth Council, talking emancipation, not the long, heavy drawn out emancipation, we want you to understand what it means to you, young people, what it meant to the older community, and what it could mean to the future generation. So now we're on technology, a while ago we talked about pop culture and they tie into each other because young people are based on a phone, you on your device every day, social media is everywhere and especially as the celebrations happened, I must say if we're talking honestly and plainly all before this year, this year I think was the grandest display of emancipation, celebrations that we've seen but years before I clicked the TV, I see something on a sitting channel, I say and then I switch, you understand? Because that's nothing to do with me, I say I say my great-great-great-great-great grand go through the slavery, I have to go through it again this year. And that's why you should get into when it comes to pop culture, I mean it's how you package something. Exactly. If we already realizing that young people are just into pop culture, we all over social media, TikTok and all of that, just utilize those platforms. That's why I was saying why we compromising, why it have to be meeting the middle, don't meet in the middle. You know that young people already on social media, why does it have to be all will do some on social media. That's where we are, we're not about to... I would say that was the issue before. Yeah. So a lot of information not being passed down because people felt like they have to stick to the traditional way. I was taught it, so I'll teach it to you in that manner. However, we were not really utilizing what the young people were into. Thank you. So if we're realizing people are into social media, let's get them there. I could draw an example. Jason Joseph Bachelors. He does a lot of social media work in his teachings of the Creole language. That is amazing. Let us support something like that even more and make it even fresher to get to the Gen Zs. Why isn't there a younger face doing that? Well, there is a younger face. There's two things, a pair of sisters. Okay, so I forgot the name, but they're from Mekwudabini. They're actually doing a project together with Tikwizians of the community. There we go. One of the best things for me and Joshua, you mentioned the Creole language earlier. Is that Kweol dictionary? Like to me, that's what we've been needing for a long time. How many young people know that? No, people not. I mean, it's nice if you're on the traditional field, you go to the library or wherever you get it. Who goes to the library? Okay, I'm not going to lie. If you go to one, it's not the library. I don't think that's the part we're going to talk about. But I have the idea of having to sell emancipation, having to market it to people, young people. I think we need to get past that as well. We are emancipated and we're also living through that. Let's use these opportunities just to push more development in our own industries. Let's let that be a flag mark or rather the headline of what we're doing. Rather than to keep it about our remembrance, let's bask in what we can do and what we are doing. Let's push the boundaries on the sake of emancipation rather than saying, come with us. Let's remember Creole. Let's remember even if you're doing that and you relate that, you relate the parts that can strengthen the people now. I think that's what people embrace the most. So let us give it a message that adds fire to us. That's how young people want to say like, yeah, we emancipated. In truth, we don't really need to bask in what we already have as much as what we can do with this so-called freedom. Let's take up the space and let's do more in the space. Now, I like that you brought that up because that's a problem that I kind of have. We kind of mistake our history, our culture as black people as being slavery. Where, I mean, we need to raise a consciousness of it because especially Senusha as a young society, we need to understand where we just recently came from. But at the same time, we need to understand that we could create culture because it's an ever-evolving thing. It's not just stagnant in the stage of you had chains and shackles and you would be turned and this, that, and the other. So we could market it and actually that's the part of pop culture, we join people in the content creators. So it's how culture creates. I was thinking that too because if you look at, I know, well, so far, you only hit on the point that it has not been brought to technology. Our social media will enough. But if you look at what we actually do, a lot of the trending TikToks are those that give you the history lessons. You're like, for true, that happened because you never knew that was going on. Like, did you know all of these different TikToks?  Yes. Now, the other thing to, you can't forget what's going on in the community. Yeah, but realistically, yeah. Yeah, just not, it's in the industry. All right, in light of emancipation, let's create a project, let's fund a project as a government. Let's put some money aside and let's take a venture on behalf of emancipation. Why not do that instead? Because then we add into our infrastructure. We're showing young people, there's a possibility. Let's take you into a field. Let's do it for fun on behalf of emancipation. Not for fun, not for me. Are you saying it's not sense, like, but you... A field, field? You allowing someone or somebody who is prepared to explore a project, you basically can launch a project or you can do something in light of emancipation. That could be just on the basis that now we overturn it into the technological sphere. Let's take up some presence. Let's do something in light of that. I'm just saying that let it be somewhat of an inspiration and impetus to do something. Yeah, I concur with what Edison says, but the fact that you say government, we know nothing in Saint Lucia ever happens on time, nothing in Saint Lucia ever produces on time. I would never really rely on the government to really have... Absolutely. And we barely have no private sector. You have to rely on yourself, man. All right, even if you're an entrepreneur, it doesn't matter. There's an infrastructure already in place. There are loans being taken every month to pay every government worker salary. I'm just saying the basic infrastructure is your governmental structure. You have private sector, but does the private sector care enough to check on your own cultural... I'm not just a... But we barely even have a private sector to do anything by tourism. But I'm just saying, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there. I feel like government is being... We'll get to government. Not even that, but it goes to social media. It goes to social media. All right. No, but I'm saying that it relates to social media. In terms of the check, in terms of the technology and doing things that are trending, one example I can give you also, every Good Friday, I watch The Passion of Christ, all right? And every time I see Jesus kneel on the cross, I just say, I just promise Jesus I'll never see Him again. Right? Because I watch it and I feel it. You know what I'm saying? I just cry for Jesus. I'm not just doing that. You know what I'm saying? I eat it, so I'm making the promise one time.  You know what I'm saying? A little sin, not a big sin. But it's still a sin. It's still a sin. No sin only to sin. But yeah, you've got to hear that. So after... So that's just a really good example. If you focus on something only happening one day, you make a decision about it.  My thing with Emancipation Celebration is why only keep it to a small period? Because yeah, we teach you about things. We teach you about that. When is the only time you hear about these things? When is the time you hear about liberating stories? I feel like this is sort of a calendar of events. Exactly. And I also have this calendar of events. Okay, it's not just August 1st and then we come. Yes. And then we're back to the same thing. But that goes also with the continuation of government. We have a YouTube page, we have a social media presence, but it's not really, you know, we don't have any traction.  There's always going to be money allocated to these things. It's always, always, every year there will be some sort of allocation towards national celebration. So here it is, here it is. Because I want you to tighten to what you're about to say. Yeah. Because you're talking about governmental support and tapping into that for sure. Do you think everybody gets to benefit from these opportunities? Or do you see some kind of privilege in the way that people, certain people get to access these opportunities? Okay. Because it's good to suggest it, but who benefits from it? It's who you know. Exactly. If the goal is an overall community benefit. And like I said, there's always going to be resources, whatever you want to call it. Resources allocated to celebration. We're celebrating things, yeah, yeah. Just to remember it in all honesty, but every year is a celebration. However, just to pull into something that could be action-oriented, that maybe a community could benefit from. Maybe you could look at ways to time more and more people as you increase the stakes. You increase the benefit, the effort is increased. And overall you create something that could lead towards whether it's a technological step you're trying to make that you see there's a space for. But there's always something to be done in the same industries we're discussing. However, I don't think that all the effort should really be put on the straight up remembrance. Let's go back into it. Let's open up this box. However, all of the advancements are beautiful. I think Creole should be taught just the same. I thought one wasn't taught by my mother. That's right. Freedom turned the science in. That's enough of that. They're restricting me.  That's right. Let me go. Let my people go. But you get it out to the community. You inflate these things. You do these things as we go along. But for the celebrations, let's make it exciting. Because there's a reason why young people are not really looking forward. It's like what's really going to happen at that point? Like how are they going to tie in? How are they going to become and relate and step into a space? Now when you want to create experiences of grandeur that can bring that stuff about, you're going to want to stimulate a benefit. And that's what I'm saying. Let's launch these projects. Let's create a cultural amusement park. Let's do something like that. Let's do something cool. Because at the end of the day, nobody cares for the same old, same old. As much as we do appreciate the billboards, even though we cannot have bronze. But, but people are saying we cannot have bronze. A celebration or whatever. I say it's good. But I just got, I'm not saying whatever we do. Not the power. At least an equal effort into creating a space that's cool, that people can now step into and that can be a platform. We can open up something. That's awesome. I mean, I love all of that. But when we always try to get people to fall back on government, government, government. We've seen, because, you know, the topic is we're on social media and, you know, pop culture and all those things. Nobody's, none of these influencers are really going to the government and say, hey, help me out with this. I'm trying to make a little TikTok. These people are taking their own, they are taking it up for themselves to say, okay, this is what I'm passionate about. I'm heading on social media and I'm doing this because I want to educate the masses. I want to create a fun experience virtually. I want to do this. I want to do that. I feel like we can also look at some things as simple as that as highly impactful. You know, they can, they can pretty much achieve the same thing. I mean, time after time we see that many young people come up with proposals and so on. We send it out. I mean, let's really not always go around the conversation of waiting for the government, the government. What are you doing as a young person to celebrate emancipation? What are you doing to, to teach? You know, what are you doing to ensure that we're moving forward? The same things that you were not taught that you maybe had to teach yourself. What are you doing to pass that information down? Okay. You know, if we keep, I agree. I think that's, I think that's stimulating a lot of option level because now you're calling on people who feel like they're liberated or they're in those spaces to do more, to share more, which is still good. It's still good. As opposed to just saying, let's talk about Cezanne Descartes. Let's talk about, as much as we love that, but I don't really want to sit down and, and recollect with you as much as I might want to share and use that as a conduit to do more. And I think that's what we've been talking about. I mean, it's in the packaging of the, you know, this one wants to do much more. Definitely the packaging. I feel like it's the first year that we've gone from talking to doing. That we've had from one day to an entire calendar of events. That this, we're actually here sitting here, having this discussion where it's already hard enough to get young people interested in a discussion like this. So this is a major strive forward, though it is a little step. It is something that has never been tried before. I also think that right now, like you're saying, Edison, emancipation needs to be on us on young people. It cannot just be because you see how things have changed over the years. So before it would usually, it was probably your great grandmother sitting outside another moonlight, because you didn't have lights, you know? Sitting under the moonlight, giving you a story about the Gages and the larger bless or what their great-grands had to go through. And they were giving you the story in that way. Nobody's sitting outside right now to listen to these stories. No, we have stories. However, you know it. But we could always bring these stories to the technology. Exactly. So bring it there. In our own creative way. I don't know. Like this one. Who? That's true. Documentaries. Remember which in the generation watches documentaries? A lot of people. Again, it's not what you do, but how you do it. When I say documentary, I'm not talking about this thing. I mean, no. Yeah, and make it source and make it controversial. Because okay, people spend hours watching serial killer documentaries. Yeah, just things interesting. I'm sure you're judging. Are you judging? I'm not judging. You might say that's why I'm saying it. Are you? Just back on topic. I mean, okay. We're trying to shave for fun. My friend Francis will be tuning into pre-skillage live of the Nabingi, of celebrations, 21 days of Nabingi. That was pre-skillage, right? And to go away? Yeah, but basically it's just an entrepreneur.  But is he waiting for government? No, he's not. He's not. He dropped the bridge down. He has products. They're going to go on. He is in collaboration with the government on certain degrees, but there you have a cultural eminence. We have 21 days that wasn't last year. Yeah. What has happened in this year? So we see how it happens and we see it in real time. When we come back, I want us to talk colorism. I want to talk privilege, you know? Because these are very important topics and things we all know about. And that's the conversations you have with your friends in private and you'll never want to say it on the platforms, but you'll know it's where MemeXa is staying in. MemeXa was brought to you by the St. Louisian National Youth Council in collaboration with the Cultural Development Foundation. Division creative.


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