Okay welcome and hope you're ready to dive deeper into the subject of faith once again so we will pray and then we can begin. Let me just pray. Heavenly Father we thank you for giving us this occasion and opportunity to understand what you want us to know about faith. Father we pray that the truth of your word will be Lord engraved on our hearts, in such a way that Lord it will become the anchor of our lives oh God. Father we thank you once again for the power of your word Lord. We commit each one of us into your hands. We pray for Lord understanding by the Holy Spirit of God that Father we will be able to apply these truths into our lives and see Lord your wonderful works.  We were at chapter 3 where we started learning about the teaching of Jesus regarding faith and we said a couple of things. We understood how the truth of God's word is established and in the Bible we also see that the word of God is established in the heavens in the psalms says that which means that the word of God is unshakable. Times may change, situations may change, circumstances may change but one thing which will not change is the what is the one thing that won't change the word of God. Heaven and earth will pass away but God's word will never pass away. So it is the truth of God's word which is already established and which is unshakable. So we saw in the last class how even though our experience can change, isn't it? Our experience in faith may change because we are growing in our faith. So sometimes we see that we have the fulfillment of the promises but sometimes maybe the prayer we prayed did not receive an answer but that doesn't mean I have to alter or change the word of God. So that is something we should never do because our experience can be positive, our experience can also be negative but my experience should change on the basis of the word of God. Okay, I should not change the word of God on the basis of my experience. If that happens that's incorrect because I am trying to change what should never be changed, the standard of God's word. So even in our faith journey we may find sometimes that we receive answers immediately, sometimes we may not receive answers immediately or the results may even be opposite. But does the truth change? Does God's word change? It doesn't. So maybe there is something with regard to the way I am going about my faith which has to change.  So never change the truth of God's word, instead begin to trust God to raise your experience to the level of the truth. Understood? So that is something that we discussed and then we also talked about the fact that when we carry faith in our hearts all things are possible. God does things that are unusual, miraculous, supernatural because the Bible says with God all things are possible. So we must allow for the impossible in our lives through faith. If there is no faith then we only go about life in a very calculated, logical, practical way where there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with it. That's the right way to live but because we are believers and because we believe in the truth of God's word the Bible teaches us that God is the God of impossibilities. So it gives us the opportunity. Each one of us we can just live our lives the way we think in our finite mind but it gives us the opportunity because we are believers that we can apply faith and the outcome of our lives, the outcome of our life journey can be very different because so many things can happen with God. Who would have thought that Ruth who is she has nobody but she is now in the lineage of Jesus Christ. That's almost an impossibility. So as you think about the life of different people, David, Shepherd boy, musician, worshipper, who would have thought that he will be the next chosen king but it happened. Things like this we don't even imagine the Bible says in Ephesians 3 20 the things that we've not imagined, we've not thought that which we've not considered God is able to do those things and not just that like if you look at scriptures like 1 Corinthians 2 verse 8 9 you know that passage it says no I has seen no year has heard no mind has conceived the things that God has prepared for those who love him. So it's just saying that there are all these special and wonderful things that we can walk into that God can you know do in our lives when we apply faith. When there is no faith we won't be able to see those things but if we apply faith the impossible can take place. I'm just reminded of William Carey William Carey as you know he is called. I have you heard of his name anybody here? Yes William Carey. There's also one of the photographs that we put up of William Carey. He's known as the father of modern missions and his life story is something that we must all study. A famous quote that he made is expect great things from God and attempt great things for God. Expect great things from God attempt great things for God. Now he was missionary to India and if you study about his life you know that he was instrumental in preaching the gospel he was instrumental in social reforms. Social reforms means there were a lot of practices at that time which were harming the society but he also involved himself in social reforms and not just that he was into propagating the word of God so he spent a lot of his time learning Indian languages okay and I don't even know the exact number of the Indian languages that he learned but one of the primary languages that he learned was Sanskrit. Can you imagine a foreigner coming those days settling down here and learning many Indian languages you know Bengali so many other you know Hindi so many languages and not just that translating the Bible into those languages. Does that sound almost impossible? Yeah back in those days you know you don't even have Google translator nothing so he would have rarely had to work hard to study the languages I mean who imagined you know Sanskrit for a foreigner but he did that so many Bible translations happened during his time because he did it through the life of one man okay this is unimaginable you know that somebody during those times would make the effort to learn new languages rewrite translate the Bible so that the Bible will be available to common man so I'm just talking about the impossibilities through our lives so I'm not saying that all of us have to you know translate the Bible each of our journey is different but we have to open up to the possibility from where does this come faith in God because the word of God says with God nothing shall be impossible okay there are so many such stories you know if you study the story of Ida Skudder the Christian CMC the the hospital right in in Vellore which exists today and which is very renowned in the country of India it was started by a lady known as Ida Skudder she came down to India and she was so moved by the the condition of people she was not even a medical student but she trusted God she said you know what I want to do something in the area of medicine so she goes back to her place and applies to study medicine can you imagine what a resolve in their heart she's not even a student of medicine goes back studies medicine and comes back to start clinics to help people and today everyone talks about CMC it's a you know like in Asia it's one of the most renowned institutions where people travel from all over the country to go for their medical checkups to go for their you know consult consultations but how is it possible one lady who thought this can happen but what does it need to do these things or step into the impossibilities of God faith otherwise rationally if you think about it very rationally we'll just come to the conclusion it's too much you can't do this I mean who can do this how can I do this my lifetime I'm already you know I already did something else now who will go back study medicine all over again but faith will help us trust in a God who does the impossible okay so there are stories like this of many people who just had faith in God and they did something the way William Carey said expect great things from God attempt great things for God but this can only happen if we have our faith in the God who does the impossible because that is who he is but another very important point which we shared last time is you know faith is important the power of faith is important however faith is powerful because of the God in whom we have faith so just faith itself does not you know it's not powerful on its own another example is you know these days we have so many so many concepts philosophy philosophies where people teach us self like motivation isn't it there are teachings that say if you believe in yourself you can do whatever you want to do or you know if you believe in yourself the universe will will accept you so there are all these teachings people have faith in these concepts I'm talking about faith we are all talking about faith and we are saying faith is so powerful we should have faith now what about this kind of faith where we just believe I can believe anything I want to believe okay I can believe anything isn't it but is that okay because faith is powerful so can I believe anything that I want yes okay so some are saying yes I can believe anything I want anyone says the opposite of that yes what okay so yeah Akhil is saying no because everything may not necessarily be true isn't it for example just an example I can believe that you know I'm six foot five inches tall I just believe it but is it is it true but faith is powerful right so let me believe what's the problem all of you are laughing at me so you see the thing is faith cannot just hang in the air it has to rest on something I can't just believe whatever I like to believe because faith is powerful there is power in faith faith can move mountains let me believe it doesn't work because without God without the truth of God's word faith is nothing you know what I mean so there is a support or an anchor to the faith which we have and that is what God says if God has said it in his word I can believe it then yes if I believe that I you know for example if I believe I am blessed okay maybe I don't have one rupee in my pocket but I am believing that I am blessed is that okay okay more heads are shaking positively so yes I can why but why can I believe that I don't have one rupee in my pocket or maybe for the international student one dollar in my pocket it's okay to believe that I'm blessed why okay blessings need not be monetary or financial always that's true yes any other reason why it's okay to believe that way okay get through it says God will provide okay so yeah now I may not have but later I may have so God will provide any other reason why everyone agrees right it's okay for me to believe that way why is it okay to believe that way okay so the reason why we can believe that way is because the word of God says so okay every Sunday we hold the Bible up in the air and we make the declaration this is God's word this is God speaking to me I am who God says I am you know I'm blessed healed saved delivered redeemed prosperous triumphant how can you say all this how can we say all this because it is in the word of God so if I believe what the word says then my faith is valid but if I believe whatever I like it's nowhere close to the word it won't work because faith as a force is only powerful because of God and his word okay but without that if I just take the principle of faith and try to apply it it does not work maybe it may work a little bit because it's somewhat you know like positive thinking when you think positive about yourself it's helpful okay to some extent even that is biblical so it may work but you can't stretch it to the extreme or to the maximum so faith as such is powerful because of God because of God's word okay now if we are clear about that we can go on to the next point these are all teachings of Jesus okay that we can have faith in God we can believe God for the impossible faith is powerful if we can believe right scripture says all things are possible but when it says all things are possible let's understand that all doesn't mean random all it's got to be in line with the word of God only then it is possible now let's look at the next truth here which says we will receive according to our faith we've already touched all this but you know I'm just going over it again so we said that as much as we believe God can do for us so we are limited by our faith so if we believe little we'll get little but if we believe more we'll get more from God so it's important to increase my capacity to believe or increase my faith so when my faith rises up I can receive so much more from God okay so if I want to receive from God what should I work on I want to receive from God okay I want to fulfill the purpose of God for my life I want to do everything that God has called me to do what should I work on is there something I should work on faith I need to work on my faith okay maybe right now I'm struggling I'm falling it's too difficult it's not happening I'm not seeing the results don't worry as long as we are working on faith sooner or later that stability will come when we are able to believe and then once we are able to believe how much faith do we need as big as Mount Everest God made it so easy for us he's saying don't even worry I'm not even asking you build your faith so big yeah you can build it that big but even if you have faith as small as a mustard seed what are you believing God for small right this much you're believing you can move Mount Everest okay faith is not that big but little faith can move the big mountain so that's what God is asking us for so we will receive according to our faith so I've said this earlier always check faith level how much is it you know how much how much does my tank show is it half is it full or am I running on reserve no faith but still you know how we try to manage riding our bikes on reserve I hope Lord please let it not stop but don't do that all the time I understand sometimes we are on reserve but we can't be on reserve all the time our faith tank always needs to be full keep it full work on it to be full okay next point we said is our will and desire is involved in the exercise of faith so when we talk about faith we said that desire what do I want from God that matters God does not go against our will or our desire think about this Jesus was born okay through whom Mary Jesus was born through Mary so the messenger angel comes to her Gabriel and says you will bear the Son of God everything and she says how can this be and all that conversation happens finally what does she say be it unto me according to your word okay let it be to me let this happen in my life as God has spoken so her willingness is there to go ahead with what God wants to do in her life imagine if Mary would have said that day hey I'm sorry find someone else okay sorry God I'm busy I have other things going on this is too big for me I can't handle it I can't believe it how can you do this find someone else you see God will not work contrary to our will and desire sometimes he is sovereign we use the word sovereign we discuss that right sovereign means God can do whatever he wants to do but generally what does he do he wants our will so if I don't cooperate with God if I don't if I say I don't want it God that's not my desire faith will not work so my mind my will my desire very important so again I need to check my will what do I want where is my heart my heart should be where God you know God is indicating I want you to desire these things but it has to come from me you understand so Jesus taught this he himself said you know you that you would receive let it be to you as you desire so I'm just reading the words of Jesus we've given some scriptures but I'm not going to go through it he said let it be to you as you desire what do you want me to do for you want is what God I want I want to be well I want to be healed I want to be blessed I want to be victorious we all want these things right so when we want or when we desire it's actually helpful because faith can work when we desire for the good things the right things now if we desire for other things it won't work because we are desiring outside of the word of God but as long as faith is concerned God wants my will I should say okay yes God you do it I agree with you even I want you to do this then faith will work okay so will and desire are very important for the working of faith and that is why sometimes God has to we say right prepare my heart prepare our hearts maybe my heart's desire is something else but as I am praying as I'm waiting in the presence of the Lord as I am studying the word of God what happens my heart starts to change like that garden of Gethsemane where Jesus suddenly he said because of his pain Lord take this cup away from me but as he is praying as he is submitting to the Father finally his heart changed and what did he say not that it changed but you know he he kind of submitted to what God was saying he said okay God not my will yours be done so Jesus started desiring what the Father wanted that's when things started moving so the same is true in our lives my desires matter so we don't really find you know that God can do much when we are in disagreement think about Jonah God told him hey I want you to go to Nineveh and I want you to preach but here's a preacher who's running away he's saying okay I'll just hide God won't find me I don't know what he was thinking how can you hide from God wherever he was God found him he didn't have the desire God wanted something he wanted something else but finally thank God you know he said okay God you know fine I'll go but you know Jonah has a different case God had to kind of work on him a little bit for him to even come to that place of desiring so we do I mean that is exception sometimes that happens but in general the promises of God are very much delightful to our hearts okay the psalmist also writes about it in the he says God I love your promises I love your word I love your law because when God says something it's usually connected to our hearts and we rejoice in what God wants us to do okay but the thing is to have that desire there are things that are taking away the desire to really get rid of those things so desire matters so last time we said what if we don't desire and we say okay let God do whatever he wants to do generally it doesn't work like that okay we must desire and we must ask we must pray even for prayer this is how it is we can say right God already knows everything why am I wasting half an hour every day or one hour every day telling God my list God you know everything okay you do what you want to do prayer is only one minute if you pray like that but that's not how Jesus taught us to pray he said what do you want you tell me I want to know what is your desire so when we tell God our desire it's the way he has designed and we begin to see God working in that situation okay fine so our desire is very important now let's move on we'll go to point number four here faith is key to seeing God's glory manifested okay faith is key to seeing God's glory manifested so it basically means that what is glory anyone what is the meaning of the word glory glory any idea sister making God yes sister optimum of its kind of its kind of its kind of its kind yeah okay sure okay optimum of its kind okay um in the context of God what would be glory in the context of God so we say right God's glory blessings honor fear fear favor fame okay fame okay okay fine God's fame so did you mean God's fame nani okay God's fame what is God's glory miracles okay God's glory miracles dig dignity dignity okay dignity of God okay dignity of God praise and thanks okay okay fine so um some it all the answers are somewhere there okay but uh uh you're kind of faith praise praising okay okay sure so anyway I know where you're coming from and what you're trying to say so let me just share in a very simple way what the glory of God means the glory of God means the um you know it is basically who God is and what he does so glory is who is God and what he does okay or um knowing God for the person that he is and what he brings for example this this is not a close example but for our understanding if we go to a doctor what will be um what can he do for us yeah he'll advise us for our health he will guide us for better health so from a doctor you will get health right hopefully uh if you if we go to let's say a computer um technician or engineer what will we get some solutions for the computer because when the person comes the computer engineer comes they they know about computer so they will help us with regard to computer now if we call a sound engineer they will help us with the mic with the audio if you call a musician they will help us with the music so when each of these people come they bring what they carry isn't it and they give what they carry who they are what they do now think about God who is God the nature of God okay the names of God the purpose of God he is Almighty God I shared about a few professions and what those people can do but God is you know greater than all of these people so when he comes what can we expect everything that God brings isn't it God brings his power God brings like you know Asapu just said he said miracles why because that's who he is if he comes he'll come with miracles if he comes he'll come with power he'll come with healing he'll come with deliverance he'll come with breakthrough he'll come with truth right he'll come with peace he'll come with joy so you see that is the glory of God who God is everything that God is I can expect God you do who you are so we we when we develop our understanding about God our expectation from God rises if we don't know who God is then we don't expect much because we don't know what he carries who he is all about we have no understanding but when we develop the understanding then our expectation starts to rise and we say oh he can heal okay God I believe that you can heal so when he comes I expect God I know you will bring healing I know you will bring your goodness I know you will bring your favor because this is who God is God carries all these things so glory of God is who God is and what he does because of who he is understood so that's what we say like even when we worship when the presence of God comes and a heightened presence of God is known as glory sometimes so that glory in that glory what happens miracles happen healing of the heart happens lives are changed we receive peace we receive direction we receive God's wisdom how is all this happening because God has come and he is manifesting manifesting means presenting or giving his glory that's who he is so he has to give what he is all about so that is what God's glory is so faith is key to seeing God's glory manifested so when we believe that God can do according to who he is then things take place so the scripture given here is from John chapter 11 verse 40 where Jesus told those sisters who you know Lazarus had died so he had gone after Lazarus was in the grave but he tells one of the sisters he says did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God so what do I need to see the glory of God faith if I have faith in my heart it is like you know it's like it pulls or another word you can use it it makes a demand on the glory of God God is there God is everywhere right and God is there for all of us but we see in let's say mark chapter 5 in a crowd so many people were there and one lady came and she touched the hem of Jesus garment hem of Jesus garment is the edge right of his cloth she touched him a lot of people were touching him but the power of God flowed out only when she touched the hem of his garment what is the difference faith yes because her heart carried faith and what did faith do when she touched God with faith the power flowed out understood same thing happens in our lives when we touch God with faith power will start to flow but if we are just you know no faith okay I have to pray I have to worship I have to read the Bible if there's no faith nothing will flow are you all getting what I'm trying to say yeah so faith is like you know we say faith pulls God has all the blessings but when I have faith like that lady it drew or it it brought out the healing virtue of God it touched her body and the Bible says she was healed immediately the fountain of blood dried up immediately immediately how faith that's what Jesus is saying if you believe you will see the glory of God so we must approach God with faith in our hearts and the faith that we carry will present or it will manifest the glory of God so why is God's glory not manifesting in my life we may ask that question don't worry just keep moving with faith it will manifest because Jesus told he only said if you believe you will see the glory of God so carry faith in your hearts to receive from God um the next point here says when things go from bad to worse only believe and we have discussed this in contrary situations in very difficult situations we must carry faith in our hearts okay and you know we've all been through so many such situations in our own lives there are many testimonies that you know we can all share from here there are two incidents given in the lives of Jairus whose daughter died and when the daughter died people said don't even bother Jesus don't waste his time because the situation is hopeless now she was sick earlier there was some hope to raise her but now she's dead she can't come back to life and similarly Lazarus he was in the tomb uh but in those moments is when Jesus invited the family members to believe he said don't worry let them say whatever they want to say but you believe do you believe don't be afraid just believe right and when we do believe we see that as I told you earlier faith will pull draw demand present the glory of God because um the manifestation will come when we believe in our hearts okay so even when situations are really bad we can believe okay I was just thinking whether I should share or not but maybe I will share so this is a personal experience which I have had and this is when um okay my mother went home to be with the Lord but before she did there were a couple of years that she was quite ill because suddenly she was diagnosed with the final stage of cancer and it all happened in a few days so it was very like devastating for us as a family to go through these things so one particular thing that happened is um the the doctors found out that it had affected her bones and the way the bones uh kind of you know like what you say uh because of the progress of the disease uh the the chest bones had changed their shape so even when you breathe right uh you can't you your lungs don't expand like you can't keep the air inside so it was a very critical situation and they said that even if we you know there's so many details to the whole story like we give her the medication or um I see you all the equipment it is not going to help because the chest just can't expand so we just give two days right so if you want to spend time with her you can spend time and you know you it's something like that so anyway the the story goes like she lived you know a couple of years beyond that so a miracle happened that's what I'm trying to tell you so when we heard this okay so you remember all this gyrus Lazarus and also that the time was like that for us because all the reports around us are saying that not more than two days because nothing can help medicine cannot help the machines cannot help right but something amazing god did uh what he did was that uh uh you know we we all pray together and we we just like trusted that god you can do a miracle so even when the doctors came and told me uh she won't survive more than two days somewhere within me right I respect the doctors I honor what they're saying and I admit the facts yeah it's true what you're saying is true but faith in my heart I I thought to myself I didn't tell anybody but I thought to myself Jesus can still heal you know she will live I don't care what they're saying because she's going to live I know it so that confidence I can't explain it in words but I know that that is faith right I've experienced it in one of the toughest situations uh that I've ever had to walk through and the long story is that we just asked my mom to make a declaration there is a declaration in the book of Ezekiel because it it has to do with bones okay so there's a scripture it says oh e bones hear the word of the lord god will cause breath and spirit to enter you and you shall live so there is a declaration of you know the spirit of god working on the bones so one good thing is she was able to speak and she had a little bit of memory so we told her repeat after me right say this verse come on start saying it start saying it and she never stopped saying it she kept saying it and saying it and saying it but the miracle that happened is without any medication at that point without any machines her her oxygen saturation started rising it just started rising and the pulmonologists came and all the doctors came and they're looking at each other they're like there's no reason how this can rise because we didn't do anything to help her improve it but the saturation levels went up went back to normal okay and uh in a few days they discharged us okay there were other issues like you know um she still needed to take long term oxygen so many things were there but the point is something like this when you're hope there's no hope right it's so true that jesus you know the word of god speaks to us and says you can you you can and it is possible do you believe if you believe you will see the glory of god and for me it's that experience i can never get it out of my head because that day we believed right and she lived for you know quite some time after that and even up until you know she passed away it was fairly okay the the life that she lived and everything some of the things that she wanted to see happen it was possible so uh even if we come into a circumstance or a situation where it feels like this is the end you can't go past this what does faith in your heart tell you listen to the faith in your heart right and proclaim what that word says so the fact may be either they can't be healed they can't live you have a few days whatever whatever whatever that's okay but what does faith say the faith says jahore rafa is my healer amen by the stripes of jesus i'm healed my body is a temple of the holy spirit so begin to make declarations begin to say okay fine your facts we accept it but the faith in my heart says this will happen amen so i just want to encourage you i and you know the the reason i'm sharing is not to prove oh i have great faith or anything but you know there are times when i've not had great faith but everyday life whatever we are talking about is for everyday life isn't it so apply it and say god help us lord to build our faith that we may be able to walk in these things so even when situations go from bad to us we can still trust in the lord and see we can see the results of our faith um let's quickly move on to the next point here where jesus taught us that faith is released through the words spoken out of a believing heart you remember i shared um the incident about the victory jesus cursed the victory right mark chapter 11 he cursed the victory next day when the disciples came that side they saw the victory and they were shocked they were like oh my goodness the tree actually died jesus told jesus spoke to the victory and the tree actually died so when we speak it's a way of releasing our faith and things take place things happen so we that's why jesus said if you believe in your heart and don't doubt you speak to the mountain what are you doing releasing your faith then what will happen the mountain will move right or the mountain can be you know um uprooted and cast into the sea whatever but what's the point what you believe you've got to speak it and those things take place so how do we release our faith we have to speak it okay that's the manner in which we can see the glory of god or the power of god so let's do one thing we will probably stop here let's take a small break come back and then pick up from the top section of page 32 uh let's come back at 10 o'clock okay we'll stop for now thank you


was invested in the USRV to fight in the Vietnam War and serve for 30 years. 1997, this included a time with the US specific demand. At the Australian New Zealand Development Committee, there's a sponsor, which I've quite seen with a perspective on the history of threats or the same threats in our region. Having worked closely with him for many years, in 2003, he became Chief of Staff of the Secretary of State Colin Powell and was responsible for airing power's speech to the UN where he made up the claim to be evidence of weapons of press destruction in Iraq. Colonel Ferguson subsequently became critic of the Iraq War, the lies that launched it and the US foreign policy move broadly. In 2009, he was the recipient of the Sam Adams Board for Integrity and Intelligence. He has for some years now been a Defence and National Security Analyst, Academic and, more recently, a Senior Fellow at Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. Thank you for your time, Colonel Ferguson, particularly as it's the middle of the night in Virginia. Good to be with you. Thank you all for your work and all your powers. Probably the most expected American competition at this time. It's a moment of great disappointment to hear him present what many believe to be fabricated evidence to the UN of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. You said that the war would have gone ahead any way having purchased it, so that nevertheless he was used to legitimise the war that destroyed the nation. You were both men who had risen through the ranks of the establishment. How is it that you were both unable to get to the truth, particularly when others like Scott Ritter and Eric Funier were providing advice contradicting the CIA's conclusion, and so many CIA whistleblowers had revealed its history of lying, and what would you have done differently now? Well, first of all, Scott Ritter and people like him had no entree into the US administration, certainly not into George W. Bush's administration, guarded zealously by its vice president Richard Cheney. So we didn't even hear those voices. They were not offered to us. And a lot of people don't understand how cloistered a Secretary of State or a Secretary of Defense or indeed a president is, and surrounded by their lackeys as it were, who keep them informed in a way that they wish them to be informed. And breaking out of that is difficult. Now, Powell had an extensive network of people on the outside as it were, and he consulted that network a lot of times. So we knew there was controversy over whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction, but even someone like Hans Blitz admitted that there might be, and so did the entire apparatus surrounding 16 then US intelligence entities and France and Israel and Germany, whom we didn't find out until late in the summer of that year that they had been cherry picked, so to speak, by George Tenet, the director of central intelligence. People don't understand sometimes that other countries, in order to get our national technical means, mostly satellites and NSA intercepts, in order to get access to that, they have to be pretty much willing to give us whatever we want when we want it, and so they sometimes go beyond that and give us more than we want, and sometimes it's not the most valid intelligence in the world they're trying to maintain the relationship. That might be thought about with Australia in terms of the submarine deal as it were too, but it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to get to the truth, and people also forget, particularly in my country, and I'm not making excuses here, but they forget that all the members of the United States Congress had accepted the October 2002 national intelligence estimate, which was pretty firm on weapons of mass destruction. They all accepted it with one or two who let us know that they were doubtful about it. Of course, many of them became doubtful about it after they were approved no WMD, but that didn't do any good at that particular time. They all accepted that national intelligence estimate, and Powell's presentation at the United Nations was based principally and primarily on that NIE. So it was a difficult time for us, a difficult time to sort things out. Powell tried, and I'll give you one concrete example. He grabbed me one day, the first time he'd ever done that. He physically grabbed me and pushed me into a room off the spaces where we were working, closed the door, and he said, we're alone in here, right? And I said, well, it is the CIA boss, and he didn't even smile. He just began to talk to me in a very strong way, saying he wanted to pull all the business about torture, his phrase, out of his presentation. And what he meant was essentially the most powerful element for a domestic audience, the Saddam Hussein's connections with Al Qaeda right after 9-11. I said, good, let's do it. He looked rather surprised. I think he thought I was going to object. I didn't. I thought it stunk. I thought it was terrible stuff. It didn't have any concreteness to it. It was all circumstantial. So we took it all out. Well, George Tenet and John McLaughlin, the two primary intelligence people there, discovered we'd done that, and we went back into rehearsal that afternoon, and Tenet tells Powell, we've just learned. This is almost a direct quote. I was sitting to Powell's left. We've just learned from an interrogation of a high-level Al Qaeda operative of significant contacts between the Muqabarat, the Iraqi secret police, and Al Qaeda to include training Al Qaeda operatives in how to use chemical and biological weapons. Powell turned to me and said to LW, put it back in. And we put arguably the most powerful element with the domestic audience, at least, back into the presentation about Sodom's connections with Al Qaeda. It was totally false. We later learned four or five months later that it was Shekel Libby that he was tortured in Egypt when he revealed this information and that within weeks of the torture ceasing, he recanted and said he would have done anything to stop the torture. The DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, actually put a burn notice out on that intelligence, but we were not told that. Not making excuses, but we were surrounded by the U.S. intelligence community and they made sure that Powell fought that Sodom is saying very likely did have weapons of mass destruction. As to his resigning, it would have made no difference. Condi Rice would have become Secretary of State. There would have been a week in the press and that would have been it and Powell would have been a footnote to history and we would have gone on to war. It would have been a lot more comfortable for me because I would have rather been a footnote to history than complicit the way I was. Talk about the U.S. foreign policy more generally and the way that it's executed. You said that when we want to go to war with someone, we invent the reason. The general justification presented for interventions has been the defense of democratic values. How have you described the whole of the United States in the world since the end of World War II? What's been its motivation in the Middle East and in Europe with respect to Russia? The United States has always been an imperial power whether it was domestically against its own indigenous peoples, something Australia will understand, or later really starting very vividly with the incursion into Mexico you could say, which U.S. grant our major general during our own civil war called a travesty. But starting prominently overseas with the Spanish American War and from that time on we have been an imperial power par excellence across the globe and at the end of the Cold War all checks on that imperial interregnum if you will were released. There was no one in the world who could check the United States of America anymore and therefore both political parties with some differences which we can get into I think that's significant today especially for Australia have been embarked on that imperial writ. Our security and foreign policy today is to secure the imperial writ. It's to make sure the United States has no challengers in the world. If you read the national security strategy we put out in George W. Bush's administration you will see that we say no one will challenge us and we're perfectly prepared to use military power to stop that challenge from coming and many of the neoconservatives who crafted much of this strategy will tell you that if they see someone in the world who even looks like, even vaguely looks like they might challenge US power locally, regionally or internationally we're going to take them out and usually we're going to use military power to do that. Now that imperium is coming to some screeching halt in some ways right now because we can't feel the forces that we need to enforce it and by that I mean the all volunteer force concept is falling apart. We can't find young people to serve in the military. That's the end of it. Very difficult times right now for the army in particular but for the other services too. So what do we do? We look for surrogates in the world to help us and the latest surrogate of course is Zelinsky at Ukraine where we're bleeding Ukrainians in order to maintain American hegemony over Europe in part in order to make our defense contractors incredibly wealthy. They already were but they're getting even more obscenely wealthy and to keep the war going and to build a new Cold War environment not just with Russia which is quite adequately done now. Thank you very much to the elimination of the last vestige of nuclear arms control in the world a very dangerous situation but also with China and in the process forcing an axis to develop between China and Russia. This is extremely dangerous and it makes you think that the US leadership has lost its mind from time to time and I'm one of those who would contend that but it is extremely dangerous and the imperial writ is not being enhanced by it. It's being put in great jeopardy by it. Whether or not anyone will realize that at time is a huge question. Can I just ask you to comment briefly on several world leaders because the current theme has been the demonization of leaders that the United States started by. Sometimes not entirely unbounded but always very specifically targeted. What's your assessment of Putin and Xi, Sergey Lavrov and Wang Yi? Well I have in a way known Sergey Lavrov and Wang Yi even more directly since with the one Wang Yi Richard Haas and I had policy planning talks with him in China in Beijing in 2000 the summer of 2001 before 9-11 and I knew Sergey Lavrov if you will through Colin Powell who would tell me many times what a fine diplomat he was and I know Wang Yi was a fine diplomat too, still is of course been promoted to state council rank which is sort of between the foreign ministry and the Politburo very powerful position. Americans need to listen to Sergey Lavrov more often sometimes he gets a little bit outside of himself as a diplomat if you will but I don't blame him in these times when no one's listening to him particularly in Washington. He tells the truth most of the time, he works for Mother Russia he doesn't work for Vladimir Putin except that he happens to be there as the leader and Wang Yi's the same with regard to China. They are very accomplished diplomats, two of the most accomplished diplomats in the world and they often tell things that Americans need to hear such as what the real motivation behind Russia's invasion of Ukraine on 24 February was. We had as much to do with that, we were as responsible for that as anyone with complicity from other people in Europe and the Minsk Accords were as I think it was Angela Merkel recently said we didn't intend to follow those accords we were just building time for Ukraine to arm so it could stand off if Russia did anything or perhaps contemplating doing something itself. So to disregard two of the best diplomats in the world and not listen to them is another indicator that the imperial realm of America now does not wish to do diplomacy at all. All it wishes to do is exert its writ through its military power I call it bombs bullets and bad heads rather than words in the world. That's become the way the empire operates and the rest of the world just suffers from that. And so that almost arrived at the point where the senior figures and the figure are putting into the public that all China is inevitable as far as the China's threat to Taiwan's democracy and it's largely invasion of Taiwan and its threat to the navigation routes to freedom of the sea. What's the real reason for the mutual war between the nuclear power and the United States and China? I think the United States and China are on a course as many people my friend John Mirshimer at the University of Chicago most prominently have pointed out toward war because of the United States. I don't think Xi Jinping, I don't think China in general I'm fairly confident the strategic party school the central party school where some of the best thought in China takes place particularly on strategy, won't war. China has already replaced the United States of America the empire economically. It is no longer waiting to replace us it has replaced us in purchasing power parity it is the number one economy in the world you won't hear Washington saying that admitting it and in terms of its manufacturing base it dwarfs us. Now remember in 1945 the United States had 51% of the world's gross domestic product, yes 51%. We made 54,000 airplanes in a single year we had more ships than you could count in the heavens stars it was incredible what we were in 1945 we no longer are that. We have shrunk our manufacturing base we have exported it to China for example and so China is the number one economy in the world and they have already established their hegemony over their region they are contested sometimes economically and financially by Japan a little by South Korea but both of those powers are trading with China as is most of the rest of the world. So US hegemony is gone from Northeast Asia and from that realm of the Pacific and we just won't admit it the Chinese know that and they're frustrated by the fact that there's no recognition of that would they if we played it right if we really were diplomatic geniuses and our foreign and security policies sought some sort of condominium with China maybe that's too strong a word people don't like to hear that word condominium two superpowers doing something in the world together but if we're looking at the threats that we're confronting climate change being the prominent one and nuclear weapons being as deadly and right in our face maybe condominium is what we need maybe what we need is sharing of power with China in that region in particular trying to reestablish our hegemony over that region of the world which is what the deal with AUKUS is all about is trying to get back in an area that China has more or less usurped and that's the way we look at it China looks at it as her natural actions as a fellow superpower if you will a near peer power is what we call it no it's a superpower and we're a superpower still we're fading but we're still a superpower particularly as long as we have 6,000 or so nuclear warheads at hand so this is a business of the United States not understanding the changes in the world not wanting to understand the changes not wanting those changes and therefore fighting it and it's going to bring all of its allies that it can into that fight and Taiwan is the battleground in many respects the fact that we have taken what was strategic ambiguity and had worked for more than 40 years that is to say we recognize there was only one China and China agreed that because we did that they would not use force to reunify with Taiwan that's the simplicity of that agreement and we have now put it out as strategic clarity we will defend Taiwan and by the way we'll bring the Kiwis and the Aussies and the Japanese and the Koreans and anybody else that wants into that fight in it kicking and screaming if necessary that's our strategy now it is ultimately a disaster in the making because any war with China whether it be over Taiwan a fracas in the South China Sea over the Philippines whatever it might be that devolved into a real shooting war would be a nuclear war bye bye human race I'm trying to look at the point that China that the Kiwis is going to make China where even China is going to be and I'd like to for a moment to talk about more and again just being extremely effective and being this participation in that is in all this distrust condemnation of the FSC or the KGB but despite the tendency of many CIA followers some of which could still readily be found on YouTube though that may not be the case in the future with respect to assassinations, lies, planting false narratives and trust in the media there's little recognition of how we are doomed what about years on the roll of a fourth estate whose responsibility is to hold power to account in more recent times the media in the United States I call it the mainstream media and by that I mean the New York Times the Washington Post similar newspapers across the country Los Angeles Times for example has joined the war mongering I frankly don't pay a whole lot of attention to them anymore I get most of my news from what are called social media in general and I have sources other than that still in the government and elsewhere and across the globe I get as much of my intelligence from Germany for example as I do from the United States probably more from Germany and other countries in Europe that's a shame because the media is supposed to be as you well know that which speaks truth to power and that which informs a democratic public what its government is doing in their name well our media does not do that anymore the New York Times is a disgrace for example during the Iraq war you're probably aware of this we had an actual situation where Dick Cheney the vice president would call the New York Times and give them quote raw intelligence unquote on Saddam Hussein and other issues too and then the New York Times would above the full front page right side the next morning publish that as if it were sacrosanct intelligence and then Dick Cheney would go out and give a speech and quote the New York Times as the source of his intelligence incredible complicity between one of the best papers supposedly in the United States and the vice president of the United States and why for war it's almost like William Randolph Hearst in the so-called yellow press you let me know where you want to war and I'll get it for you that's the way the press operates today and no place is that more vivid than Ukraine it's a shame as I said because we have no really qualified voice that is in the mainstream media telling the American people the truth the truth about their own government the truth about the situation in Ukraine most prominently and the truth that they don't even understand how to report on about nuclear weapons we have dismantled we, the empire have dismantled the ABM treaty, the INF treaty the conventional forces in Europe treaty the open skies treaty and now because of our acrimony with Moscow the new start treaty we have no nuclear weapons arm control were left in the world and we have nine nuclear weapons states and more aborning even South Korea as new president is talking about having his own indigenous nuclear weapon capability so we are embarked on an extremely dangerous course right now not only with this courting of China and Russia, its major enemies but also by divesting ourselves of all the controls we so carefully built up of the Cold War on nuclear weapons. And the media is complicit in all this. Australia is an enthusiastic participant in the US war. So now, leaders have not resourced by the problem using big-file and diplomacy to review China. It started appearing quite suddenly around five years ago. I'd like to ask you to comment briefly on your assessment of the war and the submarine deal. How well did we do for a start? What developments did I learn from our further integration into the US war machine? And what are the dangers to Australia and the Asia's region? I think I would sum it up much the way your former Prime Minister, Paul Keating, did recently. And if I can, I'm going to quote from him. He said, from a clear sovereignty capable of execution by Australia over a French conventionally powered submarine to sovereignty subordained to the whim and caprice of the US administration. That's where we are now, unquote. That's exactly true. And just think for a moment about the latter part of that remark, the whim of the US administration.  But that's what we had in the White House. Then one of the first things he did was abrogate a treaty-like enforced agreement that the previous administration had negotiated, painstakingly negotiated. I'm talking about, of course, the nuclear agreement with Iran, the joint comprehensive plan of action. He abrogated it overnight. What foreign government would want to deal with this country now when that sort of thing happens? The whim, as Paul Keating said, of an American administration. Well, you saw it from 2016 to 2020 and there's no guarantee at all that you're not going to see it again. In fact, I suspect the Republicans and a candidate not unlike Trump, except he's smarter, might be in the White House after that. That might be some really hard times for a person like Zelinski, for example, because I know there's a strain in my party that wants that over with and done with because it's such a drain on the coffers of the United States. So Paul Keating is right. And let's look at the agreement from another perspective, too. Right now, many of the experts in the United States, like Evan Feigenbaum at the Carnegie Endowment and others whom he had on the panel the other day representing everything from AEI to the State Department to the Defense Department say it's all about, AUKUS is really all about technology sharing because we have such a hard time largely because of ITAR, the International Trade and Arms Agreement, regulations. We want to loosen some of these things, and particularly with our friends like Australia, understandable, and Japan, Korea, others ultimately, especially in Northeast Asia, so that technology can be shared without all the problems associated. What that means is people make more money in the merchants of war, merchants of death complex. But, you know, no one cares about that anymore. Lockheed Martin's one of the richest companies in the world now and the largest defense contractor in the world, and their executives get billions and billions of dollars while their flow workers get a pittance, typical American predatory capitalism. But that's what it's all about in many respects. And then the other huge aspect of it, which I hope Australia will take very much into consideration, is bringing more and more people into this ambit, into the place where, for example, in this case, you can make ships for us or Japan or Britain can make ships for us because we can't convince our Congress to make ships for us themselves. And so we get others to do it for us and to become our surrogates in region. Now, I was the Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea desks officer back in 1984 for US Pacific Command. And I watched how Australia, New Zealand in particular, Papua New Guinea to a certain extent, but Australia and New Zealand operated in terms of maintaining as much of a position of distance from America as they could while still being a competent and reliable ally. And I was amazed at how well they did that. And I thought that would probably be the way Australian and New Zealand always operated, whether it was David Lange or in New Zealand, you know, no nuclear weapons will call on a port in New Zealand, or whether it was something like the Australian capacity to be our ally in places like Vietnam, for example, or in places like Iraq. Hold your nose and go do what the, I won't say master, but what the superpower says. I had a lot of respect for Australia and New Zealand. Now it looks as if it's more like being a lackey. And so I think Keating is right when he says this is not a position Australia should be in. And let's just face it for a moment. China, as I understand it, and as the statistics show me, is the number one trading partner for Australia. China is the number one trading partner for a lot of other countries in the world, too. Why would one want to alienate the number one trading partner? And why would Australia think that China was intent on coming down and wreaking havoc in its country? It isn't. China might exercise, because of the strength and power of its economy, some inordinate pressure from time to time. But I think Australia can deal with that. I think all the countries can deal with that, including my own, if it would just wake up and smell the roses. But that's not what we want to do. We want a new Cold War and we want to reestablish our hegemony over that portion of Asia, which, as I said, China has made clear. It is the hegemon now. If you've seen its fishing fleet, most of the boats armed arrayed in the South China Sea as they do from time to time. And it's not the whole fleet. It's just a portion of it. And you look at it and you think they have that many ships and they're all armed. Let me tell you, the Filipinos realized that when they tried to fish off some of those disputed reefs in the South China Sea. Those boats showed up. That's intimidation a bit, but we can handle that. If we stay together, we can handle that. And we can confront that when it happens. It's not going to happen very far afield, though, in my estimation, because China has no reason to sail a battle group, for example, in the Gulf of Mexico. I sometimes wish they would, just to see what Washington would say. Let's say Corpus Christi or Galveston or someplace like that suddenly wakes up one morning and there's a Chinese battle fleet 15 miles offshore and it lingers and stays. Whoa, what would the empire do about that? And yet China would be in its perfect right under international law to do that. We do it all the time to them. Why not a little, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But we don't want to look at it that way. We don't want to look at it from the top of our mountain upon which no challenger must show his feet at the bottom. Otherwise we'll smack them with military power and now we want Australia to help us smack them.  Basically what Australia should do is operate on its own self interest like every other country in the world. We're cooperating where cooperation helps like climate change and nuclear weapons and getting them back under control again. Economically and financially, perhaps, maybe corporate wise, market wise. But in terms of sealing off the Pacific as a US fiefdom with its slaves coming along beside it, that's not the way we should be operating. And I would help. I would think Australia would want to help get the United States as much as possible out of this stature. Out of this security and foreign policy that demands bombs, bullets and bayonets rather than words and diplomacy. We need our allies to help us with that. I think we are going to see some major help in that regard coming from countries like Germany and France and other continental European powers who are fed up with the United States through Ukraine and other means trying to reestablish its economic and other hegemony over Europe. Because that's a lot of what Ukraine is about. We feel we're losing that hegemony. Look at the EU. 740 million people. And it should include the Russians with a GDP roughly the equivalent of our own, some $22-23 trillion. If they could get their political act together, there's the key. If they could get their political and security act together, they'd probably throw us out. And we'd have to operate on our own in our own realm. That's one reason we're in Ukraine to try and stop that, to reestablish significant U.S. hegemony, security, foreign policy, economic over the EU. They're going to figure that out. Germany's going to figure that out. I think the Bundestag is figuring that out right now. They don't know what to do about it yet and they can't get their political act together, the EU as a whole. But if they do, then the transatlantic link as we know it is gone. In 1989, Colin Powell looked at me at U.S. Forces Command in Atlanta, Georgia. I was a fresh caught Lieutenant Colonel by him. And he said, Larry, do you know what's going to happen when Cole and Mita are on and Thatcher and Major and other leaders in Europe whose feet are in World War II are gone? We're going to separate. He's right. And maybe that's a good thing. Maybe everybody should be operating on the basis of condominium, collaboration, cooperation, comedy. If we don't, we're all going to get thrust off of this planet just like the dinosaurs died.  That's an appropriate name for that. Thank you. Even with the audio problems. Thank you. Take care.


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We give you the tunnel of love in a scenic railway in the world. How many good looking? Two tickets. Now listen, Tom, is this really necessary? What's the matter with you?  Well, I just don't like these things. That's all I never had. Don't be silly. It's no worse than riding to a stick up in a prowl car. Yeah, well, I never liked that either. Go on, go on, get in. Oh, no, not in the last seat. That is definitely up. Okay, okay. So we'll ride in the last seat the next time when you're over your stage fright. You'll ride in the last seat the next time. For me, this is strictly a one-shot proposition and don't expect anything different. Everybody got their safety belt buckled? Okay, folks, you're on. Tom, are we still alive? What can't you tell? All right, folks, who's gonna ride again? What do you say, Benny? Wanna try it again?  Come on, come on, it'll do you good. Don't tell me. This thing is a menace to health and sanity. What did I tell you? Look, there's a guy passed out back there. Come on, come on, snap out of it. Hey, come on, get up, mister. Hey, somebody give me a hand with this guy. Yeah, yeah, I'll help you. All right, you get his legs. I'll take his head. Oh, I don't know why guys ride this thing if they're gonna pull a fade out. This guy didn't pull any fade out. Yeah, well, he ain't exactly the life of the party. You're right there, pal. He's dead. He's what? He's dead. Oh, I better call a boss. All right, folks, just have to step outside the gates, please. I'm sorry, everybody out, please. Go on, everybody out. What's the matter, Johnny? A guy passed out. The man there says he's dead. Oh, every season, it's something. Please, folks, outside the gates, please. All right, stand back there. Stand back, everybody. What's the matter, Terry? That guy just died on his. Yeah, how come? I don't know. This man here looked him over. How do you know he's dead? You a doctor? No officer, but it's not too hard to tell. Where is he? Back in her last seat.  Sure. Come on, break it up now, will you? This the guy? Yeah. Looks like it must have been heart failure. It doesn't look to me like heart failure. Say, who are you? Dwyer's a name-time Dwyer. Yeah? Well, hey, I never seen this dead guy. He never bought a ticket for me. That's right. He never had a ticket. You mean he rode for free? How could he? He rode for free, all right. Say, how come you know so much about this? Me? Oh, I'm just kind of nosy. Hey, you. Yeah? Do you remember seeing this man get on the car? How do I know they get on?  I just work here. Don't you remember that my friend and I were going to get in that last seat and then we didn't? Hey, that's right. Hey, who's this? Ben Duffy's a friend of mine. Yeah? Yeah. Now listen, my friend and I were the last ones to get in that car. We were going to take the last seat and then we didn't. Then the car pulled out and when it pulled out, that last seat was empty. Hey, that's right. 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Now cause of death has not yet been determined. But all of you might be needed as witnesses, though we want to know where to get a hold of you. All these people have been identified and left locations where they can be reached. Yes, sir. Alan, that's all. You can go now. Oh, uh, Chief Haynes. Well, I'd like to ask a couple of questions. Are these the two fellows you told me about, Johnson? Yes, sir.  Well, that's my business. By the way, Chief Haynes, haven't we met somewhere before? Not that I know of. What do you want to ask about? Well, for one thing, you said just now that the cause of death had not yet been determined. That's right. The man was blue in the face and apoplectic, but there were no marks of violence on the body. The coroner's working on it now. Maybe the coroner should look at the man's neck. At what? At his neck. Listen, you're no doctor and neither am I. The coroner of the city knows his business. Okay, Haynes, okay. I just thought I might save him a little time. Well, you're wasting my time. If you think I'm going to give you an inside track so that you can go to this poor man's family with some sales talk that you can help him get some kind of illegal action. Oh, he's got a family, has he? Yeah, he's got a family. Now get out of here. Mm-hmm. And his name is Richard Elliston Brighton, and he's a professor of psychology. And he comes from Chicago, right? So you went through his pockets before my men got there. Now did I say that? Listen to me, young fella, you know entirely too much about this case for your own good. You're from Chicago too, aren't you? That's right. What are you doing here? On a vacation visiting my friend here. Well, you better take it. Oh, hello, doctor. What about it? Uh, murder. He was strangled. Strangled? Mm-hmm. We got a good look at him. We found a thin red mark around his neck. He was strangled with something like picture wire. Now, isn't that a funny way for a middle-aged professor to be knocked off? Yeah. Funny way for anybody to be knocked off. And isn't that a funny thing for a professor of psychology with a family and all to be way out here all alone so far from home, hanging around an amusement park? No funnier than what you're doing, hanging around here. And that's quite a coincidence, by the way, Mr. Tom Dwyer of Chicago. Chicago's a big place, chiefains. Lots of people live there. Say, chief, what I think of it here is the stuff we took out of his pockets and nothing much, wallet and a few things, and, oops, got something there. I got it. Hand it over, Dwyer. Well, well, well. Souvenir postcard. Sheila Kennedy, Ocean City. Hey, she's quite a cutie too. I said hand it over. It's material evidence. Sure, sure, sure. Here you are. One of the local tent show girls I take it. Know anything about her, chief?  Take my advice and keep your nose out of this. Come on, Tom, this isn't doing you any good. Yeah, that's right, Ben. And anyway, we got a date with a lady. Lovely, they're luscious. They're delightful and they're derrick. The most gorgeous girls. Hey, uh, bud, can we go in now? Yeah, what did she say? What's that? I said, can we go in now? Oh, yeah. Okay, fellas, down there, the second door. I told her about you and she says it's okay. Thanks. Make it snappy. She goes out on a couple of nights. They're lovely, they're room of her own. Sheila must be all right. Hey, I thought you said this was business. It is. Wait out here, will you, Ben? Oh, so when it's dames, I wait outside. I said this was business. Maybe we've both been missing something. How did you know I came from Chicago? You'd never have got in if you hadn't pulled out. It was a good guess, wasn't it? Well, I don't know you and I don't want to know you, so beat it. No, look, Sheila, I didn't come here to cause you any trouble.  Sheila, a man was murdered in the amusement park tonight. Murder? Well, hadn't you heard? Everybody has, but I didn't know it was... It was from Chicago too.  My picture? That's right. So what? There must be 50,000 old goats from one end of this country to the other with my picture in their pockets. They sell them at the show. How do you know how old he was? I don't. I was only... Professor Brighton didn't come around in the last two or three days to talk to you about anything, did he, Sheila? No, I don't even know what you're talking about. You got no right to question me. You know what I think, Sheila? I don't know and I don't care. I think you're in a tough spot and you'd like to be out of it. Only you don't know quite how. Well, what if I am? Maybe I can help you. Nobody can help me. This is murder, Sheila. That's not so good. What's your angle in all this? I wouldn't kid you. I'm a private detective. I make my living in things like this. Aside from that, and as a general rule, I... I just don't like murder. Listen, mister, what'd you say your name was? Dwyer. Tom, do you? All right. I don't know why, but you seem like a nice guy. I am. Will you know me better? Might have been nice with that. Keep out of this. It's for your own good. You'll get nothing but grief. What kind of grief? The worst kind there is. You saw what happened to the professor. Poor guy. Get out of the amusement park. Get out of Ocean City and stay out. Thanks, Sheila. Maybe you're right. I know I'm right. But I'm in kind of deep already. Is there anything particular I should look out for? Come on, Sheila. You're on. Okay. Listen, Tom, just remember, that rollercoaster isn't the only one-way ride to nowhere around here. One-way ride to nowhere. Yeah. What did she mean by that? Was it tip-off, then? Maybe. One-way ride to nowhere. That's what the professor got all right for free, but how? He was dumped on. I still say how. Well, that little problem doesn't bother me, but... Hey, listen. You hear that? Yeah. One-way ride to nowhere. Come on. Hey, I think it's around there to the right. Yeah. Bulletproof automobile. Huh? Where? I can't show next to the rollercoaster. Take it easy now. Okay, but... Then you're worrying me sometimes. Did you know this thing was here? Well, it wasn't here last week. How am I supposed to know what you want? If you tell a guy something once in a while, it wouldn't... Boy, you never heard of Wires McGuire either. No? Skip it. Guy's going in his routine again. Inside you will see the actual bulletproof automobile in which the famous Jarvis gang sped from the scene of the $400,000 Springfield mail robbery, the most daring hold up in modern times. Now, this is the very limousine in which they were pursued for 50 miles. Three of them died. The fourth became a raving maniac on that last fatal one-way ride to nowhere. Benny. Benny, now I know I'm right. Is this what you came down here for? Not exactly, but there's been some funny talk lately about this mail robbery job in some funny place. I still don't get it. There were four guys in on that. Three of them dead and the others in the bug house. That kind of closes the books, don't it? I gave you a little tip, Benny. They never found the money. And the insurance company's got a standing offer of a 10% reward. 40,000 bucks. Step right over, gents. The original bulletproof automobile. Okay, maybe we'll let that. How much? Two bits, in peace. Yeah, yeah. Step right inside, gentlemen. Now the car that you see before you... You don't have much business, do you? And what are you? A couple of public accountants? No offense. It just seems too bad. It's a small exhibit. You're telling me that he's against tax down here? They don't appreciate nothing. That must be pretty hard. Judging what the public would go for? Yeah. I thought this motor automobile would be a sensation. It's a modern, you know. And my brother found a junkyard in Indiana. Cops must have sold it at auction or something. Look, would you really like to give it to this heap? Like to. Don't worry, I already have. Yeah? Listen, brother, the minute I found out that I had to take you, I went out and found me a sucker, but quick. How did you find it? Well, I didn't exactly find it. He found it. He's making some sort of a collection for some cops museum. Capone's bulletproof car, Dillinger's artillery. You know, I got my price, though. Well, that's not too bad, Benny. Oh, yeah, I heard it. What's too bad about it? Well, I'll tell you the truth. We're making sort of a collection ourselves for a big New York exhibit there. I thought maybe we could do a little business. Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. I just closed the deal tonight. If you'd only come around just a couple hours ago in a year. Well, you suppose this man you sold the car to would be re-interested in selling at the right price? Yeah, I don't know. It cost you plenty, though. Confidentially, he paid me a thousand bucks cash. Hmm. Well, where could we find this guy? He should be here any minute. He's gonna pick up the papers and things.  I was just gonna knock off anyway. Well, thanks.  I was a guy supposed to know this crazy business. Well, here you are.  That's all right, Ryan. Sit down, make yourself at home. Hey, hey, what's that? Oh, them roller coasters. The tunnel goes right under the floor here.  Yeah, I can imagine. That door over there must open up right where the tunnel comes out, huh? I guess it does it there though. I never looked. It's all nailed up. Hey, there used to be another wing on this building in the old days, wasn't there? That was the door to it. It might have been. Yeah, I guess it was. Say, does this Mr. uh. The guy I saw the car to and McGuire. McGuire. Oh, does he have a sort of a business manager with him or anybody like that? We've had a couple of guys with him once in a while. I really didn't pay no attention.  In a notch, you know.  Oh, here he is now. I don't. Hello, Mr. McGuire. We was just talking about you. Yeah? Who are you? Me and these two gentlemen. They wanted to see you about. Was this the guy that came to see you, Sheila? I don't know. Sure, I am. Sheila, come on. Tell him. Well, I guess that's him. Okay. You can run along to the hotel, honey. Headless. Please don't. Who would like I tell you? How do you stay here with me? Okay. I got all your papers and things, Mr. McGuire. Everything's here in this amp. Thanks. And what do you two fellas want to see me about? Just a little business proposition. My name's Tom Dwyer and this is Ben Duffy. Hiya, Mr. McGuire. Here's McGuire. Pleased to meet you. You can beat it now forever. We'll take care of everything. Okay. Well, it's a lot. So long. Watch the door, Harry. Now, what's your proposition? Well, I understand you bought Ferrari's car. That's right. You interested in used cars? Some used cars. How interested? Enough to make an offer. Your friend here being on the deal? No, he just came along for the ride. Well, I got a partner. Well, where do we find him? We don't. He'd have to come here. And we'd have to send somebody after him. Somebody like your friend. Okay. Now, listen, Tom, I don't... What's his name and how does my friend find it? Name is Johnson George Johnson. He's a 2854 Drexel Boulevard. Just tell him I sent you. Tom, I don't think I ought to leave. Take it easy. While you're out, I... I wish you'd do something for me. First. What?  It won't be out of your way. Your mail? Yeah, that's right. Do that first. I'm expecting a very important special delivery. And I want you to stop by the Jefferson Hotel where I'm staying. And ask for a bellhop named Ted Martin. He takes care of all my stuff. The Jefferson? That's right. And be sure to see Ted Martin. He's the only one who can help you. So ask him first for me and hurry back then. Ted Martin and Jeff... Well, okay. You want me to go, Ed? No, you're still here. Now that he's out of the way, what do you know? Enough?  You're gonna talk? Why not? I know, for instance, why you bought that car. I think you know too much... Let me handle this. Keep talking, bright boy. I'm not for that Springfield nail job. Nobody ever found the money. Four hundred thousand bucks is a lot of lettuce. And you think it's still somewhere in that car? If you figured out all by yourself or did you get a tip when you were in the federal pen along with Duke Jarvis? You know any more cute answers, bright boy? Sure. I come from Chicago.  I told you knew too much. On account you got a reputation of being very handy, disposing of troublesome guys with a length of picture wire twisted around the neck. Any idea what you just taught yourself in for, bright boy? I know what I'll talk you in for if you don't play ball. Well, what do you think of that? I think we're wasting time. Listen, McGuire, I not only know how you kill Professor Brighton, I know why. Sure you do, bright boy. Sure you do. You think I'm kidding, huh? Professor Brighton was a psychiatrist. They used to call him into the federal pen to examine guys who were wacky. They called him in to examine Duke Jarvis. Duke was the last of the Jarvis gang, the rest were all killed in the hold-up. He was wacky, all right. So wacky he let stuff about the money being still hidden in the car. So, when the professor heard about the car showing up he thought he could pick up a piece of change for a guy only you caught up with him first, huh? You got it all figured out, haven't you? Yeah. All but one thing. I don't think you're smart enough to have pulled this all by yourself. I think you do have a partner. I tell you we're wasting time here. No, we're not. Now listen, bright boy, who are you working for? What difference is that, McGuire? Palanty. Don't you think I want to know who else is in on this? What do you say, bright boy? There's nobody I'm working on. Cover him, Harry. Okay. You better talk, bright boy. There's nothing to say. Who else knows about this? Nobody.  Watch him, Harry. I think he's coming out of it again. Yeah, this ain't getting us no place. Suppose his pal comes back. He'll never come back. By the time he finds out there ain't no such guy as George Johnson. Take a look, Harry. It's me. It's Chief Haynes, Ed. Okay, open up. Hey, I thought I told you. How did he get here? He walked in. He knows plenty. How much? It worked. We've been trying to sweat out of him who he's working for. Haynes, I know where I've seen you before. Your picture. You were a guard at the federal pen when Jarvis McGuire were there. That's how you heard about the money. When McGuire came down here, he had to play ball because you were chief of police here. He's got the gold, McGuire. Yeah, I know. So we give him the business and dump him out of the side store there into the roller coaster like we did the prep.  You can't get away with two jobs like that the same night. So what do we do? Anything. Dump them in the bay. Make it look like an accident or anything. Hey, that's an idea. Don't try to get fancy about it this time. But you just gave me quite an idea, Haynes. Quite a good idea. The fastest and the fanciest roller coaster landing open. Keep that hat down over his face and hold him up straight. I got him. What seat do we want? What's the difference? The car's almost empty anyway. Get him in. Take the middle one. All right. I got your safety belt. Keep that belt loose. Okay everybody, you're on. Here we go. Going into the tunnel now. Tie his hands and feet while we're in the dark. Yeah, I'm doing it now. Got the sash weights on him? Yeah, around him. We're out now. Watch him. Hey, what was that? What's the difference? Hang on him. We're starting up. We're coming to the top. You know what to do, Harry? Yeah. When you hit the bottom of the zip over the bay. Okay. I'll yell. We both heave together. He'll go down into that bay and sink like a... Okay, McGuire.  Put them up. Tommy, you okay? Yeah, sure. What do you think you're doing here? The Federal Pinch, McGuire. I'm Ted Martin, Department of Justice. Staying at the Jefferson Hotel. Get it, McGuire? Hey, Tom, you ought to get to a dock. No, no. I gotta get down to the police. Hey, Ted. Ted, listen. Never mind about these guys. Get Haynes, Chief of Police. I've got a couple of men down there already, Tom. When you phoned, I figured you might get mixed up with him. We've had our eye on the Chief for quite a while. Well, I'll see you later. Well, thanks, Ted. Hey, you were taking an awful chance, Tom, playing so cagey. I had to be sure first. If that dame hadn't stuck around and tipped us off, we just about made it when the car went through the tunnel. That, uh, Sheila dame, huh? Uh-huh. Say, Ben, I, uh, I think I got a date with a lady. Oh, so what do I do? Well, I'll tell you. Here's a dime advance out of your $20,000 reward. Go take a ride on the roller coaster. And so closes the one-way ride to nowhere, starring Alan Ladd, tonight's tale of a spin. 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