Hello and welcome to Mini super chat catch up for episode two five one Right after the end of oystery Wow, it was about how we were wrong about modern art. Remember it was very riveting. That's Jackson Pollock was present for that stream. Yeah, he was right And so yeah, we're gonna we're gonna read out what's been sent and give you some answers I guess if the questions if they just statements, and you know, we'll just acknowledge them Yeah, well the knowledge the statements or disagree with them for example, it's too damn hot I guess it depends where you are It's hot around here. It's still pretty warm and hold where I'm at It's starting to get chilly starting to get chilly here It makes it feel like Thanksgiving and Halloween came by really quick Because the summer was so hot for so long I do feel like Halloween came by pretty quick And I also am gradually the more years go by believing the November's a myth and it just goes from October to December and there's just a couple days in November, you know It's like, oh, you know, some people might when you hit like halfway through November You're like, it's only been like two days with the hell. It's like, yeah No, it's about to be gone. December's on the way. That works Starting your sixth year with a banger, aren't we? Oh, we knew you guys would love it Just love it Yeah, I think that was a good one. I really enjoyed this one Lot to talk about lot to discuss a lot of things that make you think Yeah, we had random film talk on which was Yes, it was You know if random is finally on now the real fapping begins Yeah, we got to get them on again Rush sorry watch rush hour one then two but then watch new police story It feels like the dark sequel to rush hour two the dubbed vision was funny I don't think I ever saw rush hour three I don't I don't think I saw that one as far as I'm aware they are considered to get worse as they go along I remember liking all three of them. I Like the first two.  That'll be it That's so that we have to be there's a lot of buddy cop movies. I feel like it would be Hard to I feel like I'd want to comprise it of one per series, you know, so like one lethal weapon film one rush hour film What are the ones would be interesting?  That movie is really funny.     Yeah, I guess that would work right that's buddy cop that's buddy cop Yeah, well bag and will ferrell Try not to be all hard on old Ethan I think a lot of it is exaggerated for goofs.     All right from John Fabra, right? And it says the quotes from Dave Filoti 11 a b y Also high rags and Fringy and oh Random Phil talk. Yeah Super happy to see random film talk here was going to ask if you boys had seen his videos. I Have are among my favorites. He does an excellent job He says certain things that are bad are bad, and you know what that's enough for me Hmm, but he also do it delves deep but not too deep to wake up a Balrog or anything Would want to do that It's on YouTube YouTube Jackie has some good acting moments, and it's a bit funny then watch. Oh I guess they're talking about the the police story thing and they said then watch rush hour three Also, mr. Nice guy one bring repo for that one Harrow dog I'm looking at it again. Just seeing if it's nice. Thank you He's saying hello to you rags at the end. That's what I mean I think so that that was the part I think and I go hello to you the rest of your messages basically Indiciferable though, but I do appreciate it. Thank you a soka wasn't even good in the clone wars But she at least had a personality then from a clip. So I've seen she clearly does yeah And then she became boring, but it's like no see she's enlightened.   He's definitely not wooden.  Well, the thing is I haven't seen a movie, but he's probably pretty good at it Like that's sure. Yeah. I might actually be curious to see that we should do Video game movies that just sort of that one is between the two eras that one it feels like Yeah, well, yeah, because the cast was Michael fast-bender Jeremy Irons and Marion What's the name the you know inception was? Yeah, she was in it too. And it's like wow, okay, like that's that's a decent cause a lot of people and Then nobody watched it because that was kind of when assassins create everybody was starting to get bored of it Meanwhile if it came out today, I wonder if it would do better or worse. I don't know I'm not sure something that I I wonder if it's just me like being oblivious to it But I feel like Ubisoft games are just not I feel like I just don't hear or see like they don't seem like they're a huge part of The gaming world, you know like they exist there and they're still making games But it just seems like people aren't that interested in what they're doing like far cry six How haven't you know how much people talk about that the new Assassin's Creed game? No, yeah five fucker fives the last one anyone talked about and it was pretty good Yeah, but I don't know anything about six. No one. Yeah Even if it had What's his name? Gus What's it? What's his actor's name? Jean Jean-Carlo Esposito I always mess it up Jean-Carlo Esposito, right? Jean-Carlo Esposito Is that how you pronounce it? I think so because he's partially Italian right so it's Esposito. I have never heard him say it so I don't know How does Ghostbusters compared to other classics like Alien Predator Jurassic Park etc It's one of the greatest comedies ever made like Because it has a really really interesting and binding story. That's a really great vehicle for all kinds of very clever writing for jokes to come through Would you say that you would put it on the same level as those films or would it be just a hair below them? Alien Predator Jurassic Park I'd need to rewatch it to decide because it's probably Considering it's about ghosts there's probably a lot of criticisms I'd have in terms of the ghosts could clearly have won but don't sort of thing Yeah, Ghostbusters is a great movie But I mean it's I always wonder if it's like yeah, but I mean aliens you know Jurassic Park these are like your your all-time Goats Well, I mean you know Ghostbusters is considered one of the greatest movies of all time by a lot of people It's one of the goats of all time That's that's true It's been a while since I've watched it That'd be worth rewatching. How did what what about what it it's been a while since I've seen Ghostbusters 2 as well How do people feel about that one? Typically considered worse than the first one but the fight over just how good it is I guess So when's the next anime discussion may I suggest Ellen Elkin I think for its huge plot high rags Hello Probo don't hold your breath for the next anime discussion But hold your feet Glad to see random film talk enjoyers videos high-fringing rags and mohler rip race Yes rest in peace race Stevenson gone way too early and You know not to be selfish, but man he was gonna I was gonna really enjoy him potentially like going forward with Balon cuz I just liked his performance a lot, but now obviously it's gonna be Recast if not, you know who knows maybe Balon's gone forever. We don't actually have any idea what style I don't know if they're gonna do anything with a season 2 anyway If that's like a guarantee, but he was much harder this show He was the best part of that show and while that isn't a high bar. He still was the best so oh Yeah, well, I just felt like he was imbuing the script with way more than was actually present You know what he said like I like the idea of it, you know the but the not what it truly was in relation to like the Jedi That's such a moment of like please keep talking please It's like no that like Dave would be like that's all of it. That's the study like no That's a story. That's a character Why don't let him you know you've got him. Why don't give him more material Thoughts on Ghostbusters afterlife is it to me like TFA? I haven't seen it No, I haven't either They are making a sequel. The thing about it was drink a Gary and several others saw it People who I think like Ghostbusters more than I do and they they came back. They were like yeah Yeah, you know well, I think that's kind of that was the impression I got is like obviously 2016 was miserable And that this one was way more normal, but not that interesting And I think that if 2016 didn't exist and this one came out in its place people be like yeah, it wasn't very good Yeah, I mean again. Yeah, Ghostbusters is like kind of uniquely quality You know people say lighting in a bottle and I believe it like it was a collection of artists all at once that you're fucking difficult to get again But I wouldn't mind checking out at some point You know again the first film was like an original idea, you know for a movie compared to well We own the Ghostbusters IP might as well do something with it, you know Like it's a very a very different sort of motivation for creation Did you know that in Tolkien's lore Galadriel's daughter marries Elrond given she isn't mentioned in Rings of Power either She isn't born yet creepy Elrond and printing on a baby or Galadriel abandoned her child to hunt Sauron either way yikes It's only at the very end of Rings of Power that Galadriel even mentions Kelleborn, which is like weird that she's like oh That's my husband. I haven't seen him since he left to go to war.  She just like randomly brings it up to Theo Bear in mind she has a tempest It is within her So funny when season two rolls around it's like all right If you if you insist I can't believe something so expensive and I'm like so The Rings project can just inspire absolutely nothing out of people.  Oh, this is rushed. Oh, they're doing that now Yeah, that house the dragon where we just silently staring at it. It's like Then like flash one image of one character going like ah, we're like, are they gonna die Lord long bone of oh long bong sorry of mubesington abbey. They're any good chance for Kung-Fan Of Peter Jackson's long Kong when there's less going on to be a movie fab for the ages PS So well wags these screeches for a good boy. Ah, hello. That's not a bad idea. Honestly We are we talking about some arcs back there? And I think that the the long Kong arc could be something where we just watched Long Kong ten times in a row and Yeah, let's go on I think If there's anything that helps get this gay actor Michael. Oh now they've changed it to gay actor Makoto Shruggles Through a three-day shrugless. Yeah, 12 hour shift gauntlet. It's e-fab. Love the massives. Well good I'm glad gay actor Makoto shrugless likes Like see fab more gactors than I than I thought existed Wow I mean, we don't even have that many actors setting super chats But of the few that there are at least two of them a gay and They want to make sure everyone knows that Ben Holy jump and crispy critters people like to talk about media droughts, but I'm over here suffering from a media flood So many video games coming out. I want to play not enough money not enough time It's been a great year for video games.  That's just ignoring the bad ones though Well, no, what that's what I'm saying is that this has been a distinctly good year. You said consistently good. Oh Wait, sorry Now I'm confused what I was saying is that this year was like a distinctly good year for video games Yeah, I can kind of agree with that but not consistently good I want in terms of every single game that's come out this year like maybe if we're going by I assume we are triple a Well, I guess it's kind of interesting because the caveats are like, yeah golem Yeah, which would be Actually Diablo 4 is like kind of a big old sort of like asterisk. I don't like to Yeah, but you got to remember that a lot of people think that that's one for the list of how great this year's been Well, it doesn't matter No, I know but I don't you were listing based on you right now everyone. Oh, yeah, of course, of course Because when you think about the list for this year, it's like well, we have resident evil Ford dead space Super Mario Bros. Wanda tears of the kingdom Baldur's Gate 3 which I haven't played but metroid dread this year No, that was that was 2021. Oh Sorry, that's yeah, that's what And then three five to six was cool Mario RPG's gonna be this year either remastered That's coming out at some time that I will not say because that will reveal Well, I've just I've just made it clear that it's not out yet, so Yes, but but by the time by the time this is out it will absolutely definitely be out That makes sense. That's fair Um, yeah, it's it's just like I would never want to make a grand claim about the quality of video games in the year without Acknowledging we've had some noticeably stinky games that came out this year Well, I guess um cuz usually the the types of like the the all-time great years for video games of stuff like 2001 2007 in which they would have been stinky games as well, of course, of course It's just that you know in 2001 It's like that was the year of that was the year of Grand Theft Auto 3 Jack and Daxter Damn good time for my brain to fight Metal Gear Solid 2 Silent Hill 2 Halo combat evolved. Oh Damn, that would have been the year of wait the GameCube came out in 2001 didn't it? Or my mix not I think I think my brother's melee came out in 2001, right?  Yes, it did come out in 2001. Yeah, there's what I mean 2001 was one of like the old-time great years And then 2007 was filled with filled with pretty important games Super Mario Galaxy BioShock Call of Duty 4 Halo 3 Again good time now the brain fight there's more but yeah, there's usually every every generation There's one notable like really great year And I said, I don't think any of us can make a claim on this but as far as I'm aware This is the year that cyberpunk got fixed as well Nothing but very good comments about cyberpunk Thing is that when it comes to when you look at a lot of prior generations for like the the all-time great years for video games They usually kind of represents what that generation often in terms of like a difference from the last one It's like 2001 all those sorts of games. It's like yeah, those were games that weren't possible on Nintendo 64 or PlayStation one like that was very much emblematic of yeah We're in the this new generation same flight 2007 But the differences between the generations of consoles at least have become a lot more Oh, there was a lot more Starfield as well wasn't there which kind of sank Oh, yeah, I just I didn't hear much about it really It just seemed from what I saw is way too generic boring Yeah, nothing special about it didn't seem like it had like really any polish to it RPG it's like damn man like this is the best that you could do after all this time like it's all it's almost like Guys, you realize that like Skyrim isn't the standard for what can be accomplished in open world RPGs anymore Well, and then we go boulders gate 3 comes out and people like Doing nothing, but fucking Raven about it like I heard about it so many times at this point that All this gate 3 seems like a really important game because it was a genre that was constantly we were constantly told could not succeed Which is like a very gamey game RPG. Yeah, like an old-school character RPG And not only was it turn-based one too. Yeah, and not only was it successful It was considerably more successful than like any other RPG that's come out this year And everyone talked about it was raised to high heaven. It was like insane it was nuts and It's been interesting that again other genres that we had been told for a while could not succeed of like, you know Third-person survival horror games. I mean while dead space and Resident Evil 4, you know Resident Evil 4 I guess you say more like an action game, but still It's yeah, and then meanwhile, right like modern warfare 3 it kind of comes out And is representative of like the decay of all of Judy is a series and live service games But at the same time it's probably gonna make a lot of money. So yeah, probably It's been a great year with an asterisk for sure Conjuring universe eFap arc when Conjuring you know Yeah, that is a really good idea Whenever you guys say it like that people like oh, that's the what they're doing. So keep doing that because then it throws everyone off Are we doing it or are we not now you'll never know it was a I think it was the last eFap stream There was like three different. Ah, so it's obvious now that you're doing that for next Halloween.  I'll do it again I Regs hello, have any of you tried ultra kill? Yes, not that games cool. I think they've added new levels since I played it. So I should give it another shot It's a really cool like retro arcade shooter Like in this style of a PlayStation one like a late 90s video game is that is that do we say that's 32 bit? Basically, is that is that what we call that art style? Not actually sure. I don't know what But it's a yeah, it's a cool video game Super fast-paced really fun cool visuals. Yeah, that's good I was looking at a highlight and I thought it was so funny because we've told us for whenever you see Like us in EFAP and then something happens and you have a reaction and then you from the past has the exact same reaction It says oh, yeah, yeah I'm consistently written character Ben Shapiro saying that he'd played quake and like me from now be from there But both like what the fake big Ben Shapiro played quake like it just feels wrong Makes sense doesn't it because I mean how old is he? Isn't he like approaching 40? I mean he would have been the right age Oh, yeah, but I picture him in the same way. I do like I already mean like in play video games or something all the quake would be like I don't want to play That's uh that game is Well, I guess like between quake and doom which one's more uh heathenistic Why it's the thing I'd assume both of them would be out, uh, but I guess probably do Because quake has a lot of hellish while quake is like More lovecraftian you're killing the demons. So, you know like you're many things. It's a pretty It's it's got a good message You couldn't separate it that way there you go You'd be fine the doom was one of the many of the Things that were like, ah, it's a satan game playing that will make you like the satans Even though you're killing them Uh, also new one piece Shockingly decent at least compared to other anime adaptations Yeah, it's uh, it's good. It's good. I I like that show Hmm I like the sets. I like that they built all of these cool sets. Yeah Uh, if they do go through it, then there will be a universe in the star wars multiverse with the clones of a man or women somehow I'm not sure what that that feels like it was a response to something Lady clone like if they did like a what-if scenario, but all of the storm trooper Well, I'm not the storm troopers the clone troopers were our ladies I mean that'll be tough to make sense if you have you can get clone any one unit You're gonna want like the biggest fastest strongest most loyal, right? I guess what they're all pointing out is can you create like female clones derived from uh from a good old jango fat I mean, I guess But you know, yeah, I guess it is up to the rider Miling friends season one is on dvd Also on blu-ray and I have it I have to buy two of them because apparently metal can't get it and join many That's uh, that's cruel. That is leaving the Germans out come on Hey, uh, I've learned from rick and morty. We're not russian. We're just just let them do whatever they want Let it let it not even become Too culturally significant. Okay Well, rick and morty feels like it's now I just don't hear people talk about anymore like it No one does. Yeah, it's just kind of dead done But they're locked in for several more seasons the absolute of noxygen that was spreading across the whole world when the uh The the the season three premiere was was coming now It was enormous That was the height and now it's just like it's another show that's on that you don't hear much about Yeah, do you think statistically there was someone who lived to an old age and liked the taste of every different kind of food they ever ate Maybe probably I think no right because Well, I don't know. It might depend on if some flavors are necessarily like opposed to one another Well, I guess technically you could like them both right suppose Yeah, I think you could could I'm thinking of a guy who likes rare and well done steak at the same time What does that look like? I mean, it's probably like What rags are saying and jim's just this is uh, I'm trying to think of like a Like oh, I love me some spicy food, but I also love me some, you know, not spicy at all food Anyway, yeah, I wonder if there are flavors where it's just the way that your body Interacts with those flavors is you have to like one or the other I'm not sure Uh Maybe glad you're watching a soka, but please listen to the Thrawn trilogy audiobooks So you can understand just how bad Filoni butchered him and why the fans actually like him We did we did take the that's how we operated We we went with and as from what I can tell people mostly agree with this Who have read the books that he is tywin in the star wars universe and it's like, okay I've got it Understand he's going to be making decisions that are well ahead of the the enemies. He's going to be calm He's going to be authoritative. He's going to be kind of intimidating But at the same time, you know, scarily reasonable sometimes making decisions are like that doesn't sound super evil And it's like, yeah, we got to think ahead. Why is he doing that? That sort of stuff and obviously what we got was hugely embarrassing. So Yeah, I was gonna say I planned blue dutch vandal and I'll be completely honest like he was super embarrassing whether or not we would have read those books Oh, yeah Uh new order is still top dog in machine games iteration on good ol wolfy or walley Wolfy stone. Oh, right, right, right Uh, he is hoping number three is better Are they making I thought they're making a because they're making an indiana jones game I think that's what they're working on at the moment. So I don't just in time too You got a bank on that jones. Yeah, you really do strike while the iron's hot, you know I guess it's going to be an xbox exclusive.   It might be worthwhile to have an interactive division. What with video games being increasingly popular Yeah, chinzo.   It's like damn guys You shouldn't just be at it for the long haul, you know Hi rags Hello I'm Nazi fraggin actor Michael fracas, and I'd like you to know you'd like to know your opinion on wolfie the old blood not new blood Oh, I the old blood. I never played that one Oh, that was the uh dlc, right? For the first one the first one. I didn't play it. Um, I haven't played it either. No, I didn't play it Uh, do you think randy newman sat was hired for tom toy story because he was sounds like tom hanks if he was singing Like that sounds the same I said all about that So I don't think so, but baby This is a very talented composer They're very lucky to have him. Um, those films have great soundtracks toy story monster zinc god damn Uh, when I super chatted asking if you've got a smoke none of you massives replied got gum leon is sad right now Got any gum Got any gum I haven't had gum in a while Yeah, it can be good. I'd come today.  Yeah Um, yeah, I'm we're gonna get him back That's right Um Greetings all my massives. It is I vince the plumber. Have you guys seen the movie training day? And if so, what do you think of it after rewatching it? I would say it's a pretty damn solid script high rags and happy saturday Hello, I don't think I've seen training day I've always I've always meant to never did Yeah, oh, I've all three of us not seen it. Okay. Whoops. There you go. That's one for the Get on to that one. Yeah, I've heard I've heard good things about that film Um Thoughts on as sawing out over pronouns in starfield molla. Why do you hang out with those embarrassing culture warriors when you don't engage in that crap? I hang out with loads of people who have completely different points of view than I do We're doing a lot lately actually Yeah, when I'm on adam and sitch's stream, most of the time is spent arguing when I'm on uh, destiny streams It's almost exclusively there to argue I'm on star wars theory stream.  I don't align with this. Um Yeah, I always thought we were pretty clear on this like this barely anybody we won't speak to um with exceptions included like I don't know if if movibob wanted to speak to us.   Do you know about this this this and it's like this right so this this is the trope here This is what this writer has said. This is what this interview is It's like do you understand why they would make that statement now without realizing that it doesn't sound as Straight forward to someone who has like zero context and that goes on both ends. I just um I'm more interested in the people themselves necessarily And uh, I think I think as and gary and I don't know if you include drinker in this Uh like super chat point of view But I think they all have really strong insights on stuff that they're incredibly passionate about which is What I'm there for I love honesty as well Um as long as they don't threaten Kill me or want me dead in general.   But um, you know, I find the opposite with a lot of these people including the lads I'm with right now We don't agree on everything. Do we? Yeah, we do. What do you do?  Maybe that's very possible for the case but not necessarily Well, well, but it's definitely something to think about Uh, hey mass It was I watched a couple of movies that the past couple of days being uncut gems Which is a movie that slipped past us. We intended to see that so many times. That was 2019 ish Right. Something like that. Looks good though. It was Or at least I've heard good things about it. Yeah, I kept getting recommended We were like, oh, can I watch it? Can I watch it? Can I watch it? Can I watch it? I think there was even a day where we were like here it comes and they were like, oh busy with something Oh, no mind. It just slipped away It was pretty good in bruge.  That's uh, yeah a top tier movie Oh, that's a great movie. Oh and look they said seven psychopaths. It was also really great. Yeah Yeah, those two I adore together Uh thoughts on them. Okay, so uncut gems not seen in bruge is Funny as all hell while also being incredibly uh, moving in terms of like a character study sort of it's a really great film to point to in terms of uh, the balance of comedy and drama and doing it expertly when it's a very very difficult thing to do And very meaningful drama very heavy drama And I'm pretty sure In bruge was the movie that turned me on carlin farrell. I used to think he was just meh, but um When I saw him in that I was like shit, man Like uh, I mean he's excellent in that movie. Yeah, the scene in like the park and stuff There's there's a couple in there that he does a really really good job with and I buy him completely And then of course brennan cleason's just awesome because he always is It's true.  I was very happy when I knew he was in the movie because I was like yay more of him Uh seven psychopaths is One of the most fun I've had with a movie that's kind of meta That like the main character writing the movie as and a lot of the comments he has about movie making is reflected in the movie itself It's a very interesting and unique film.    Uh, I easy recommendations for both of them Yeah, uh, that'll be one on our rewatch list eventually. No doubt about it Amongst other things because there's a lot of good movies that we haven't seen yet Also play little nightmares high rags mubles and fronk old Hello, Lou and uh, yeah at some point For little nightmares is neat Regarding my 250 super chat the giant pinecone bayblade boss was from armored core six I would recommend I played Or I guess I would recommend I played a lot of dark souls Or de ass it that could be a couple of games and this challenged me in a way dark souls or elden ring hasn't in a while Okay, it probably does. Yeah Okay, fair enough Hi, I wasn't able to send a super chat on the anniversary. So better late than never. Thank you for all the great work lads Thank you very much. Absolutely. Thanks very much Isn't this the boyfriend of the chick that brought down super mega with her essay allegations He's involved with that in some way, but I'm not exactly certain I think he's just I think he just knows someone involved, but I'm not certain what the extent actually is Um Not exactly botacelli's primi Primavera, is it? Um, yeah prima primavera I'm I don't recognize that very well. I'm afraid Um, hey, let me get a picture of it picture. Um Oh, it's gonna be of it for you. You will you will recognize it You'll recognize it when you see it. Yeah, let me just show you real quick I think it's also called the Is it the rape of persephone or? Copy image I think this is Am I thinking of a different one? No persephone. That was a statue. Ah, yeah, I'm getting confused But I think it depicts like a similar story Ah, this whole thing Yeah And everything from when you look at these old paintings It's interesting to look at all this stuff because everything is just steeped in symbolism From the things that they're wearing and their colors to What they're carrying with them and what they're referring Referencing there's just so much going on now you remind me wasn't in the video I said the venus one was kind of lame.  Oh, what's this?  Oh, yeah, it's it's unironically a really important element that's like subtly central to the discussion of that video which was If the only thing that's meaningful about art is what it means or what it's referring to Then what is the point of the art? Why do art? Yeah, why not just tell the story? Why not just tell the context where where does that? Where do you get to the point where you no longer need to make a statue or paint a picture? It may as well not be a statue or a picture or whatever. It may as well just be an arrow that points to where the text is It's kind of like when the uh, when we watch a movie and the themes are really shittily executed Like you didn't have to at that point. It's like, why'd you make the movie?  You're like, oh, yeah That's kind of what I was thinking about it, but you know put into better words Which is fine. I don't there's a set. I'm always on board with finding out what the artist's intentions were on a thing Yeah, sometimes it gives me really interesting like the way that uh, Ethan is online sort of that was his name, right? That's the youtube, right? Yes The way he built it up was like if if you don't have law well What's the point? Yeah, you just you can't just appreciate something for what it is You can't just wow, that's a beautiful painting and I can appreciate the skill that it took to create this Yes, the lame part is that he thinks he's evolved when he's gone backwards backwards He's gone backwards.  Most of it now is based on somebody else's It sucks When your agency is the huge part of the process of sharing art be the bold motherfucker that says Blade Runner is bad. Don't be the cuck that says I watched it until I liked it Until I had the correct opinion.  Yeah dispenses the farts into a little glass like an uh, and then you can smell it like in South Park Have any of you seen Uh North Sakai of the valley of the wind No, I've not I've not seen that I have not seen that Uh, just finished it and thought it was really damn good yoinkie splonky Isn't that the uh ghibli one? It could be um, um, there's plenty of movies of those that I have not seen yet and I would like to see them Oh, I I google it to make google it to make sure the cast is Shia LaBeouf is in it. Patrick Stewart Mark Hamill Me wow didn't know and apparently I think in their latest movie um Robert Pattinson is playing a character and from what I've seen is he's doing a really good job He's like you can answer that question because someone said he was wild in it. What does that mean rags? What's he doing? Uh, he he is voice acting a stork character and his voice is really good and I really like his performance a lot But I actually want to know what it is though. So if you're being sarcastic I'm not being sarcastic. Why would what why would I ever? You know me. I wouldn't be sarcastic about something like this. This is serious stuff. He posts us That's what he it. No, you could you could literally just uh google it and check and you could probably just Type in Robert Pattinson anime stork and then you'll get it I would rather type out people and it was really good I saw the I saw the twitter posts of people saying wow Robert Pattinson's really going ham uh in his voice acting Roll and then they showed like clips from it or the trailer or something people are saying that on like twitter or something Then it definitely means that he's doing a good performance because one of the big things that people have been complaining about fairly So I would say Is like getting celebrity voice actors, but then they don't do voice acting. They're just like yeah, they just be themselves Yeah Well, like have you guys seen the Garfield trailer? No, I haven't I have not Chris Pratt as our Garfield Is it you know I don't know. I feel like bill Murray. I don't know. I I feel like I feel like he kind of fit That's Garfield a little bit, you know Sure I'm not the thing was I was never in that I didn't see much Garfield stuff. I just knew he was a cat The like lasagna that's it He likes lasagna and he hates Mondays and he's he's lazy and manipulative Um, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's it's just that he he definitely sounds like chris pratt. All right That's that's how it goes and samuelo jackson is playing garfield's dad Okay That could be fun. He's a big is he gonna say meow there fucker I don't know about that The art style of the film looks really cool. It, uh, it definitely looks like the garfield, uh, comics translated to 3d Like we're playing, uh, john Uh, I think nicolas uh No, no Beast what's his name nicolas who who hold? Holds.  Um, let me remind myself He's beast. Who is this person? Beast Well, I don't know for existing east. Have you have you seen none of the uh, the x-men the newer x-men movies? I have but a long time ago. All right. Uh, what else has he been in? Uh, skins for british people renfield the great warm bodies the menu mad max fury road Yeah, because he was in the menu and yes, he was I like to see none of his movies Damn I've seen fury road, but it's been so long. I don't like to remember anything about it. I don't have a fire guitar but he was the uh, he was the guy that basically went along on a on a max's adventure He looks like, um, he looks like benedict cumberbatch's stunt double I don't think that they look even remotely alike Well, I agree to disagree Yeah, see we disagree on something Yeah, and you you agree to be wrong basically I agree to allow you to be incorrect and That's all right. We live in a we live in a world where I live and yeah If I was movie bob, I wouldn't let you get away with it, but You let me get away with it. I wouldn't let you get away with it if I was movie bob Let me get away with it.  I need to grab a drink. I'll be right back. You don't you spanky Yep They've got a quote here that I just I love because I assume he said it. I just can't quite remember but From just right I wouldn't just like the movie more. It would be a tangibly better movie Wait, what was the context of that? I don't know, but it's in quotations. They say it's just right and I could totally buy it because that's what people do We probably pointed that out at the time You can't say that a thing is anything other than your opinion, but that you can also say I wouldn't just like it more It would be tangibly better Yeah, what the fuck does that mean?   I don't know if that beetle was slippery, but he was a that was that's a that's an underrated family guy Joke the beetle probably gets ads together saying good You said before which you're very fond of that joke It's a good one.  That's right And part of what makes that joke good is that he never came back.  There is there is graphic design In a textbook like that the fact that the you know The fact that there was a decision made to put in paragraphs Because it would be easier to read and easier to understand and communicate Information you got to understand we here on e-fap have an incredibly broad definition of art Yeah, and then we come clamping down on oh whether or not it's good Yes, I I think that's just a better conversation to have than defining whether or not a thing is or is an art Um rags car repair manual art or not Our repair manual is it art? Yes, he went with yes. All right Um it though it though I would would want some clarification as to like what part of it or Because I I'll I'll typically side with yes that something is but maybe if you had a more specific inquiry regarding it They haven't gotten any more specific Then I would I would assume so, um I Probably but I you might be able to Make a you might be able to make a car or any really like technical purely technical manual In a way where the only expression that happens is maybe Very subconscious Which might straddle the line, but generally Here's a clarifying question that might help Would you technical art like illustrations of I don't know like a human skeleton or Yeah, I was yeah, absolutely Uh, I guess what would you say you because obviously the purpose of that technical art is for you know Very specific real world practical purposes rather than to evoke specific feelings out of you But what would you say would be that why why would you be more hesitant about the manual compared to Technical art putting to one side the terminology. I'm using Um, I think that for me, I don't think the evocation of feelings or the attempt to do so is what makes something art I think it's simply Expression be it consciously or sufficiently subconsciously Uh in some sort of an action or or or act of creation so I am I'm wondering if there is a way for you to Make a technical manual in such a way that Like it is purely objective and there is no element of your personal acts of expression in order to You know to to get across information Or to make things like diagrams or explanations and I don't know If that's possible maybe but I don't know It seems like your perspective is inherently going to stem through in the way that you choose to communicate information because you believe it's better The loan be considered like sufficient creative expression that in and of itself potentially I because to To explain I like a math to explain mathematics, right? Could you write a math book that wasn't art? Um, I don't know that that's possible I I don't know because math is um, it's so It but here's what I'll here's what I'll come in with because obviously programming coding That's a technical process mathematical process But there's absolutely art to like good code Yeah, yeah, um, it's a code It's something you construct and there's a there can be elements of cleanliness or messiness to it and I just I'm I side with all these things being art I'm just wondering if there is a way to truly construct these things in a way where there is no Elements of the person's I come home and I'm like fringy. I've opened the fridge, uh, which which which shelf is the is the flea man top or bottom Then he says top I assume what he just did isn't any form of art But I don't know if you can see but then if we Upgrade to fringy is uh unable to speak and so he draws the word top on a post-it note and shows me it I Don't know if we agree if that was our not and then he's unable to write words and he does a drawing of the top shelf instead It's like well, that's art What if I uh, what if I like tap dance and then point to the uh to the top shelf That's kind of where I'm going with it. It's like where is the line between expressing Really like a creative nature or just you know, very tactile like information that's got no You know relevance to a particular flavor I'm interested in bringing up because I know we talked about it briefly the whole if you drop a camera And it takes a picture and then you look at it and you really like the picture whether or not that's art And I think we disagreed on that one. I think rags don't know for that one, right? I'm on That one Yeah, like I say it has to be it has to be conscious or sufficiently subconscious and I don't think it matches any of those things Would could someone make the case that it is sufficiently subconscious By virtue of the fact that you had the camera with you in the first place and we're intending to create art No, like because that because that's not the uh, that that's uh That might have been something that helps to add to the logical necessities of how it came about But I wouldn't call those things. Um I don't think that would make it but surely the extreme question to ask him is like What if there was a photo that was you know, beloved by the whole world and you thought was incredible But then we all found out that it was actually the the photographer wasn't even in the room when it was taken He then the camera fell off his table All right, um, like would you then I confidently say that that is not art anymore Oh, yeah, because I've I've always at least as far as I know I I held the distinction between something being art and being able to draw artistic meaning or quality or things like that out of it I think those two things are very very often intertwined but not necessarily Um, here's a question in terms of intentionality. How do you how do we square away? Like mistakes as part of the creative process? um I think subconscious would be right answer for that one sort of right? Yeah, typically. Yeah Um, okay. Well, here's a hypothetical. Let's say I pull up. I don't know. I pull up a blank canvas And I intend to paint something like I don't know I intend to paint the Mona Lisa and then I make a brush stroke and as soon as I do it I'm like, oh fuck. That's a mistake. And then I'm like, oh my god.  I throw my paintbrush at the the canvas and then I'm like, oh my god. This is perfect All right, pass it back over to the right. Is that what? I don't know That's to me. I consider that analogous with dropping the camera If so, yeah, I'm leaning towards no, but a part of it. It just it can just depend on different elements I don't know. It's uh, yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one. I don't think so though Okay, um, but a lot of it really does get down to Super nitty gritty like what thoughts they were having at that particular time and their intentions and how that linked with Like what they did and because all we're doing is finding just like we're never We're finding the borderline, isn't it?  It's weird, but hey such as uh, I remember one point on this stream people saying jackson pollock wasn't an artist, which like come on No, he is he's an artist. He just he just an artist who got away with it. Uh, well, it's just he Got away with it. Very interesting. Honestly, that's it. I just don't find it very interesting Yeah, but for me, he was uh, he was dealing with depression anxiety and addiction I mean, hey, look He worked he made the stuff he wanted to make, you know, that's that's whatever You know, I'm yeah, I'm glad we live in a society where he can do that I don't find it that hard to just say like, yeah What he made stand by what we said at the time were there not two images one was called Hell and the other was called like the devil or some shit. We were like Yes, fainter or something.    Oh, yeah, and I feel like they'd be You know, like you think about more of the I guess what people would typically think of abstract paintings, right? They're kind of like the the cubes and and circles and all of those sort of shapes like across the canvas some of those ones The like even there there's more intentionality um more That you can um I said on the stream I am willing to be proven completely wrong But my assessment from seeing him actually paint uh pollock. I was just like I am uniquely unimpressed. I'm afraid I just feel like Like yeah, he did something that was different It's like sure, but I don't know that's never gonna be as impressive to me as somebody who did something that was technically complicated You know if you saw a completely let's say gray canvas and then uh, that's that alone to me I'm just like and then you show me the creation of it is a guy who only ever did Like an inch of a line down at a time and filled the entire thing without any of them overlapping by hand I'd be like, holy fuck. That's impressive. It was difficult and that would take ages Um, so I'd be like that's kind of what I'm getting at. I'd be like, okay on a craft level Yeah, what he did was kind of impressive actually, um, but like it created an image that I don't care about at all But you know, but is that yeah, but with pollock.  That's fun. I guess Yeah, I mean he's under the poster child of like, okay, dude Say pal Yeah, all right All right, uh, I think there's gonna be a couple of these kinds of questions on the way now Uh, is when people see mother Teresa in their loud soup and art No Well, I mean I get If I take a picture of it the picture becomes the art Yeah In the same way that if you snake a picture of a mountain the mountain itself is an art But the picture of the mountain is art. Yeah Yeah, that's how I would yeah, right. I'd happily define it that way I agree like I would need to find nature as art nature is beautiful But it's not art because well, I don't think it was created by anybody The thing to realize eventually is that um art becomes a useless definition If we start including anything that makes you feel something which is what a lot of people go with Which yeah, like that's for as broad as our definition is at that point.  We'll be like, he's not an artist. He's a destroyer. Yeah, he is an artist I just don't like what he makes. Yeah, I don't find that hard to say I feel like people disagree on the more because like to me I remember it's something I think I mentioned on the stream But if you're like a cleaner, I don't know if you're like a janitor You're like scruffy and there's like a specific process that you go about Like that you figured out a way to inject some amount of creativity and passion into the work that you do And happily consider that process to be like art I think that's totally fine. I think like a workflow can be art Um, well someone's here said uh an electricians pipe bending is that art? The work that an electric electrician does could absolutely be considered You guys have seen like city.  They're like, whoa Exactly And because like do people think that building PCs can be art. I think it is like cable management Exactly, exactly. Yep. I'd happily say that I don't I don't want to restrict artistry to things that people always conventionally think of as artistry I want to I want to accept and appreciate that there was artistry in there's artistry in like Yeah, there's artistry in like trades. There's artistry in being a waitress What makes good rat though Well, that's that's a more complicated question Usually you get a scale by like the potentiality of the craft and then just who's at the top Who's at the bottom and then where does everyone else fit? It's it's a distinctly a human made framing Why and it it's hard for it not to be relative as well Yeah, like, you know, if there was just like I'm trying to think of You know, like it just take basketball if we met an alien species that were all Like the shortest in this species is 10 foot. It's like well, then Yeah, they're all going to be the best basketball players compared to humans The kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king, right? And so at that point it's like, well, that's not fair. We do have we we would then as we do as humans we create Glasses we feel like you can't have What's the point in having humans versus the the globs if we're just gonna lose every single time The humans versus the globs, of course Hello mingler frisbee and rabbi Hi Thank y'all for well existing you've granted me many knowledge schleams and I have a question. How did you all choose your channel names? There's really no story behind it unfortunately if you were looking for something meaningful or deep I just thought it was a fun little short name for a dog and I just went with it Mine is not meaningful or deep, but it's I don't know makes more sense. I guess in terms of just it's a nerd thing I like Darth Maul when I was super young and then I called myself Darth Maul And then that was like that's a lame name Darth Maulah. That's still lame lose the Darth Maulah that works. There we go And it's stuck ever since Yeah, like mine sama. I there's no like meaningful interesting story now Well, all right We nailed it. Whoo Uh, the mountains are his handy work and the skies proclaim his glory All right, so come out like that gives everything. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, we are counting a claim That is certainly a our counting of the definition of art would mean that all of nature is ours It was made by god, but obviously we you ain't gonna find that here Yeah, and if you want to you have to establish that like that's real So, uh, yeah quite an interesting claim that you have there though Well, I guess it's kind of it's kind of interesting, right? Because if you believe that god is like a person Who has a capacity for creativity and makes these kinds of choices then? Yeah, I guess you probably have to accept that the universe is art Maybe a bit of a curveball or not would be But a like a baby be considered art if two people intentionally create Life, I don't know. Is this get a bit weirded that there's an answer to a question like that Like our dog breeds art That one I think is easier to answer than the human one but Because like there is actual craft going in genetically into well I say this as if that's not happening with humans somewhat as well. There is some of that already Isn't crisper like what it's called I think that's the one that's called right the genetically engineering people. Yeah Gadica that's a that's a really interesting movie that I haven't seen in a very long time that I think I want to watch I don't think that's what it's called To each their own Well, uh, there you go then Is filling in a medical form at a doctor's office and art Uh, I don't know if you draw like a smiley face on it.  They celebrate the art of the skill And also just like those things are often just gorgeous Yes Well, yeah, exactly people would have to accept it as artistry to like, um blades and and guns Modern cars have to sacrifice aesthetic for mileage lots of sharp lines or bold features create a lot of drag The fuel economy is important to buyers Okay, that's cool I don't even know if I don't even know if they're trying to say like that as a contradiction to The concept of cars being art rather than a challenge artists have to overcome in the same vein You know like directors. It's like I want that shot. It's like every medium to get that shot We're gonna have to you know, do this do that do this do that And I don't even think the budget can handle it Do you know about like the famously most expensive shot of all time? Uh, no, no, I don't think maybe I've heard about this would Hang on It's uh, it's funnily enough. It's something I remember. I remember being told it and then I think patrick willams did a video on it Um, I can't find it for now, but it's a movie where they wanted to get the sun at the right position And an airplane flying At the right point to it So you can imagine the amount of things they had to get right in order to uh And it cost a bajillion well not a lot of money. Um, and it's just like it's a gorgeous shot But it's like Fucking hell, you know careful and it's like well We got we got we got art to do buddy Yep You know that sort of thing and in the same vein Yeah, it's like you can't let this car have any less fuel efficiency than x and then you're like, okay But I really want this, you know design on it. So how do we solve that problem? All right, I think the reason why is I just remember that during the stream people were saying things like a car isn't art or um Or like just a number of things weren't art like that was popping up constantly during the stream Which is fine if you feel that way, but yeah, I definitely Like clearly it is like you're gonna encounter all kinds of problems If you make that claim you're gonna have contradictions floating up everywhere Well, well, I think the reason why it's annoying is because people would be like Well, sure a Ferrari is art, but not like a Honda Civic Um, that's kind of the thing that annoys me and it's like no it all is you have it has to all be Because once you start drawing the line of when it's sufficiently interesting enough to you aesthetically That then that becomes odd. It's like That's just seems like a flimsy uh standard. Yeah Uh random film talk congrats on making it onto eFat my dude Yeah Really condomium Yeah, I was My definition for art is a conscious mind expressing through a creative medium What is a creative medium would be my first question? I mean, that's a that's a decent concise definition. I think so, yeah Yeah, that's a pretty good definition I think that the the the thing is is that when I the creative medium part is the one where i'm wondering like what that means Any all sorts of things I'm sure the person saying this would probably have creative medium pretty broad like The better question would be what does it not include?  It was it hit his chest and it was like it shot the fart out That was the perfect sounding fart as well You know what it means It's like you're focusing all of your muscle tension up there.   Who knows it'd be funny if it was he was crafting each individual What it's like Jesus Christ, yeah It's taken a while He's got infinite time and do you think god uses ai for it? He's like, I don't want to make all the snowflakes. We'll just uh, you know He created a little algorithm to take care of just the weather patterns It'll be so funny if he was like, it's not ai. It's magic And it's like magic that replicates the snowflakes so that you don't have to in a bit of different images. He's like, yeah, so not ai Magic's different. It's yeah, exactly. It's god powers This is not a super chat modern art is rubbish Not all of it lots of it's really cool. No, yeah Like I said, I want to try and leave the door wide open for some really subversive and crazy art that makes me go Whoa, that's super cool because you got the thing and the thing and the thing Not for banana on the wall. No, that's um, or the toilet Or it's just a toilet Uh, sitting on pies can be art as can be seen on medical soul season two squat cobbler Or american pie. Oh, he wasn't really sitting on it He was uh doing something with it though autistic. Are there pies in american pie? Yes, there's a oh my goodness I assume you haven't seen the movie No Because it's uh american pie is famous for its pie scene Oh, it's been a long time since I watched that movie. Did you watch did you watch any of the sequels? I think so There were a few sequels. I remember yeah, I dropped off at some point I know they did like a newer one with like a lot of cast members coming back, right? Yes, but I I didn't see that Can conversations be art? Hmm. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I don't know how it couldn't be Yeah a lot of expression in conversation Because it's the interesting thing, right? How do you square away? For instance, like any any book that is like a dialogue An account of a dialogue, you know real or fictional Um, is it once you write it down that it becomes the art? But surely it would have to be the art, you know when it's being expressed If there's especially there's creative intent behind the words being used and how they're said enunciated Yeah, I probably wouldn't go that direction for Explaining it because you could go the root of the mountain and then the photo of the mountain And the photo makes it the art rather than the mountain itself But with conversation you don't need to go to an art form You can just be like well, we're trying to get the other people to understand what we're saying through our own choices of expression, right? Yes Uh Given the Time stone was part of the snap could it have been designed to account for secondary deaths? i.e. it kills a pilot because all the passengers were part of the 50% also high rags Hello, that's something for the writers to tell us.  It'd be like I don't know how you write that in a way that's satisfying, you know I Not only do I think that there's no way to account for it I think that the way that the film plays it out is kind of acknowledging that that's absolutely not what's happening Then it's like we are going to accept all of the consequences Including the deaths that happened during that intervening in those intervening years um The reality is that there's no like easy answer But I mean they might have chosen like The worst possible way of going about it of just bringing everybody back without telling anybody and just like letting everybody fend for themselves in the aftermath And the motivation was not a matter of trying to figure out what was actually going to be best for everybody It was the tony wanted to protect himself Um to the to the exclusion of everybody else Which is not great Yes Bringy bringing up the red painted canvas reminded me of a part in dear devil season one when fisk bought rabbit in a snowstorm How does that sort of instance register in the conversation of art to y'all? Oh, what um kingpins big painting that he's always looking at Yeah, rabbit in a snowstorm is obviously an implication of what you're looking at would be mainly white Yes, well the the thing with uh the thing with uh fisk was that That one was uh that was that was very very very very very personal stemming from his uh history Something to do with his dad, right? He was because yes, that's right Um, well the thing that he said about the painting is that it makes him not feel alone That's uh, that's what he values about it, which is really interesting Makes you think because dead devil is a good show and the reboot's probably not going to be as good Yeah, uh, just to Have a look like this is funny enough. This is from a screen rant Um in gaining possession of rabbit in a snowstorm kingpin is taking control of his narrative The powerless kingpin feels in his childhood echoes throughout the development in his adulthood And the trauma sticks to his soul like tar when he recalls mart Murdering his father to save his mother from his abuse the painting helps explain kingpin's mcu backstory Reminds him of his decision to become the man he is in that moment and In buying it serves a reminder to bring him back to the fork in the path where he swore not to be cruel for the sake of cruelty like his father The rabbit in a snowstorm painting also serves as a metaphor for the clean slate in kingpin's future life The painting starts out as a reminder for kingpin of the horrible memory of his first murder Yelp mingled with the resolve to not become the type of man his father was however upon acquiring it from a venessa its meaning changes The blank walls association with the painting is slowly etched out of his mind and instead of his Trauma the painting serves as a fresh canvas one of which he can put a new life Doesn't blood get splattered on it At some point. Yeah Yeah, there's plenty to to draw from it's not just a white picture. You know, like but even then you can Get as we also were talking about on the stream you can get all kinds of anything out of anything Yeah, you can because it's kind of the nature of like this is what we're talking about when it comes to like The subjective experience of people derive from art that's gonna vary That's has to vary because people have different preferences and different life experiences And that's going to inform the stories that it's it's the reason why you can watch the film and go Yeah, that's a great film But like does not very interesting to me compared to a film where it's like, yeah, I know it's I know it's super flawed But like it's really personal like the story that it tells Kind of speaks to me in a very personal unique way another way remember saw three when uh your jigsaw is dropped uh Billy or whatever's tricycle on the floor to symbolize the bike that was hit Uh by the sun so that's supposed to be like a moment for the main character to see and be like, oh jeez you know remembering it understanding it and Meanwhile, all of us were just imagining like the little puppet was just you know Cycle of the log and he slipped and fell that he was like You help me up, please Which is a fun game here is a funnier interpretation Mm-hmm, and the director was probably like why you why can't you take take things seriously? God I can but not your movie Maybe one day Uh Bad art doesn't awaken any emotions. Not true Yeah, that's not true.  Like well, I guess the interesting thing is the you know, like the notion of apathy right when art gets nothing out of you In a certain sense that can be worse than if it really pissed you off. I agree with that But the obviously I wouldn't take any further than myself. I'd just be like, yeah Almost the point where I'm like, I'm ill equipped to discuss this one because I felt nothing Yeah, yeah True you didn't even say belch I didn't The art of the day is reflective of the culture's nature and values mod not is reflective of just how shallow and controlled our society is Uh, okay. Um, all right, and it's too too broad for me like I don't like that Is it just like the simple narrative for why I don't know Uh couldn't snap I've taken secondary deaths into account. I dust the pilot. Oh, that's the same one that they said could have I could have you would have to Had to be in the movie. Yeah, you that would have to be in the movie I can believe that it has the power to do that but that would have to be in the movie Like I said a quarter of the planes just dropped out of the sky and everyone on them died And the one that they really don't like to talk about is just What happens if you're a guy and your whole family gets snapped and then you don't know the misery and then he kills himself And then his family comes back.   Oh, yeah. Yeah, your nurses Collapse of society in general. Yeah, half the world leaders half of their synods Yeah Could you imagine line of succession, you know in terms of hey, man It would have made for a really interesting time, but oh well.  It's not crazy Uh, Jeremy John said Rosario Dawson was more Ahsoka in Daredevil than she is in Ahsoka in the Ahsoka show Um, yes, his recent video is pure gold. Yeah, Jeremy John. It's a lot of fun stuff and uh, he's on point a lot of time He's the um, he's the good chris duckman essentially Pretty much they they sit on two sides of a coin, I guess Um Wolfbane has sent so many super chats for a long kong watch fap. Come on lads give the guy and other fap fans what we want It'd be one for the ages. Oh, yeah, when there's less going on Yeah Yes, it'll happen definitely happen You'll see it one day long kong and you'll all celebrate from the hilltops to the lowest valleys Uh, it'll be screements everywhere because it'll be world peace at that point. I think Yeah, I think so I think so But why hurry, you know, yeah, you don't want to rush something like that. Um happy 251st anniversary cheers to another five years Cheers Yeah, would you consider language art? Uh The actual language that's an interesting question because obviously the the way that language is employed is absolutely art but the language itself That's a really interesting one Yeah stuff, um, I don't know I don't know that's that's where i'm at on that one. I don't know It would take a while to like break apart I guess the construction of it Do anything rags What was the question? Is language an art form? I mean, I'm a of course Lot language is like the way we express ourselves No, the So like when you create a language When you almost certainly how could you do that without expressing the way that you You know kind of are whether it's Tolkien's languages or anything like that Oh, see that's easier to me actually like Tolkien making one feels I guess, um, I mean how could you I mean How could you make a you know create a language that that in the words that you choose and select for thing in the rules of grammar That you have as part of that language Not come from your experiences and what you feel works best or is most interesting Um, you wouldn't be rags. That's a oh did you not think it was I was on I don't know. Um, I think yeah I think it's absolutely Wait, so maybe the thing to help clarifies obviously like written Language is art, but what about like the actual language itself like the word the is that art The word the in and of itself like the concept of the range to give My half of that was going to be that um When I when you talk about like, you know, if I'm making a new language And I'm like what's going to be the word for water and I'm like, um, I don't know draft And it's like is that art that me deciding to choose those noises when I haven't You know, I mean like to me that's a lot more different than describing what the water feels to me in English, you know Maybe but by saying language, it's not just like a word, right? It's the whole thing It's the whole package of all of those things combined and how they Are chosen and why they are chosen Well, it kind of comes back to what I was talking about with the top shelf thing where I'm using a sound to signify Very very definitive just information. I'm not using it necessarily to be like, I want to know how I want you to know how I feel Well, yeah, because like for instance, if you said how are you going for me? And I said Is that art I mean, it's you expressing yourself. Oh, yeah, that's probably yeah That is yeah, I think like any response you have to how are you feeling would be More than likely. Oh, okay. What what if I was just what if unprompted I just said You're still expressing yourself Okay So what if I sneezed? Um It's potentially art, but not necessarily Okay, so sneezing is potentially art, but definitely is I think so. Yeah, okay Because a sneeze is a physical reaction to an internal stimulus, right? I guess when you hear the top shelf bomb shelf thing captured this better because the It's you expressing something, but it's so sterile of like your actual Interest and thoughts and feelings that it I think it breaches the line like it no longer becomes expression because you're just It's like top shelf. That's where the thing you want is Is it art when you say hey, can I get a quarter pound of a cheese? See that I don't know why we're moving away from my example that one feels a little bit more complicated If you always answered your top shelf inquiry in that way Is that like your your your personality of Like just how you express yourself when you are answering questions That is like that that that's your personality. That's the way that you speak and the way that you communicate your ideas and answers and Give people information Well, I suppose we'd agree then at that point that anything you say would be Under that I could be I'm leaning towards that unless something changes my mind, but I think I'm going to go with that for now I think that language in particular in the way that you express yourself even flatly And in the most utilitarian way possible is still a way for you to you know, it is still how you are expressing yourself You are deciding to do that as opposed to other ways But yeah, I uh Is the way some things are more expressive than well, I think is the way that you walk art um I don't Probably mostly not you have but it can be well If somebody says that, you know, you do the chat walk versus the virgin walk I was gonna say I feel like we are conscious of expression of your Yeah, are we how we look when we walk on me? Yeah, I think sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't it depends It depends on the person and what they're you know, their thoughts are as they walk If it is truly a totally automated process, then it might not be art at all Well, but then what about speech we want to push it then in terms of it being automated like What does it mean if somebody walks the virgin walk and they're not standing up straight with their shoulders back? That is an expression of something to do with them Whether or not I think it's more Subconscious or not it expresses something about that person. Yeah, I said it can be Well, I feel like it has to be it would have to be on that way Maybe The I think that language is a step above that Why The the selection of specific words phrases their inflection. I think it's more of a it's more of a conscious process um The idea of you speaking without even thinking that you're speaking I don't know if that happens in the way that you just walking is a mostly automated Process of I want to go over there Now the legs essentially I think you should make the reverse argument and be like you're in the middle of a game And you say for fuck's sake and then someone says what and you go, huh? Yeah, but that's definitely art though Yeah, okay, but like if i'm gonna get up from my chair or walk from one place to another I feel like that's more conscious decisions than me saying for fuck's sake in a game Uh, the decision of getting up in the way that you do that. I think are different. Um So I don't know it depends. I guess where you draw the line, which I'm not exactly sure If somebody had just read like 12 rules for life and every time that they got up for like the next week They were doing it very consciously of holding their shoulders back You would say that that's art, but the guy who's just So it's art because he's thinking more about The way that he's walking I do think that there should I think that there's a threshold of how Sufficiently subconscious it is or conscious it is that isn't necessarily met by every action that your body takes Is a drunken ramble is that art? Yes. Yeah, it has to be Okay By okay, um Like even if they don't remember at the following day, I'd say like that should be piled in with everything that's you Yeah So that would be adhering to the idea that anything that you say would be art in terms of an expression of language Well, I'm I'm kind of with rags on the whole intentionality aspect. It's just that um Because I think you want to be even further potentially with how like saying for fuck's sake in a game It's like that's built on a lot of things and there's a reason you're expressing that that way even if you didn't even realize you'd said it Oh, yeah, you can express yourself in ways that you don't really Pay much attention to or maybe you do it so much that it's not even I mean it's like the Like sometimes when I used to have to drive to work I guess you would just I just suddenly would realize that I had arrived at work and was Parking the car Even though I couldn't it's like I went on complete and total autopilot Um But I would still say that like the way that I drive is still uh an element of expression Isn't there a study that said like shouting? You know swaywards or whatever has like been scientifically shown to reduce pain when you like hit your foot on something or whatever Yes, that is true. Um It is it's essentially it's like a like a mild natural anesthetic A lot of time to scream instead of to try and be quiet and hold it in Well, yeah, it's like you know the simpsons remember in harm out with a angry dad When uh, if he him holding it in almost got him killed It's like that You remember that episode right where he had like the lumps popping up on his neck because he was repressed anger Yeah, because he's trying to uh, wasn't it something he's getting in trouble for being too overly angry?  I didn't I thought it was for real. Okay And someone else tells me no it is real The clickbait is and if you look into it They're making fun of the fact that this is old news that they stopped having him strangled bar a while ago Oh, it's like do you see what I mean? Like yeah, that's kind of fascinating, but I mean it just brings us back to oh, okay So you have retired the joke exactly. I was like wow that's fascinating. It's like it was clickbait that it was clickbait Yeah, kind of because I mean at the end of the day they've retired the joke Presumably for the reason that Homer said in that clip which again is hilarious is like times have changed Yes, because in the 90s it was socially acceptable to strangle your child I didn't realize that um It could ever be seen as anything. I thought that was the joke. That's the whole shocking and funny But because it's a cartoon and that's goofy And it's because it's so excessive that it's it's funny It was always it was always a bad thing that Homer did It was never a thing that was more or more socially acceptable because it was the 90s The whole point of the simpsons is that they are a dysfunctional family That's the point of the show is that they're not totally functional that they've got problems It's like you go for so long that you forget what the show was about in the first place Which I guess yeah, that probably does happen when you do it for like 30 years Yeah, interesting journey and it just makes me Constantly distrust everything I read like up both ends um Art is like being special where everyone else is special I don't know exactly what they mean Is that a criticism of how low the bar is for what constitutes? Like that's fine I'm fine. I feel like people misuse syndrome because art doesn't mean I have to respect The people who misuse it probably do I would say art isn't special like a broad category in the same way that fucking carpentry isn't I mean it is It's special compared to other crafts, but art is also special as a You know category of human activity. I suppose I said special to special in that sense. Yeah I mean it doesn't seem the other animals except for maybe elephants do it Yeah, all in the same thing. There's just lots of things that we do That wouldn't be considered art necessarily. We're trying to go over them today. This is gonna be a long catch-up video Chat what if you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday? Oh my goodness Asking the hard questions interesting um The blocky hard edge style of architecture rags speaks of is called brutalism It was developed under Stalin in the ussr for maximum efficiency and to quash individualistic expression. It's a sigh up Okay, but like brutalist architecture can be interesting We love brutalist architecture in certain fantasy environments or sci-fi environments specifically because it can evoke specific like feelings or Yeah, exactly in contrast to other buildings, perhaps and Like art deco for instance, which is like the opposite of hyper extravagant Well, yeah and something like almost cartoonish if you had like a fucking street where a bunch of people lived and like the guy who was Really strict annoying lame and whatever he had like a visibly brutalistic house or something compared to everyone else You know, there are times where this this sort of work is really appreciated I got a little bit bored when people have the complete overreaction to like any kind of like modern minimalistic architecture We should all return to the architecture of like 19th century europe It's like I like it too, but like I do like my variety I do I think that's what we should always strive for is we want variety rather than One style What I'd like to see is that people feel like they can essentially make the thing that they think is interesting Rather than everything being one type of way one way or the other minimalist or like I guess traditional classical Because like yeah, I like I like my gothic architecture, but if everything was gothic architecture, I'll probably get bored of it eventually If everything was Art Deco, I really like Art Deco, but every if every building was like that it kind of is like, oh, okay Variety is the spice of life or whatever Yeah The money the money i'm giving you is art I know yeah The message certainly is All right, I agree I'm sitting in a forest by a lake right now on fungus Uh in and I'm so seeing art right now Sitting in did someone make the fungus Hmm, that's kind of interesting. You know how we we would agree. I assume that um a completed dish by chef ramsey For example would be art in in in a form That wasn't the case for some reason, but anyway, I can tell you they're fucking wrong I assume we would then Categorize if someone picked up that plate and threw it on the ground smashed whenever we Has that now changed from his art to theirs? His has been destroyed and they've made new new art Maybe yeah I assume that's how that works Well, you know in mr.  Bean's mother now His chin must be modern art because I can't stop staring in horror and pondering why All right I mean that's kind of a good thing right the any anything you make you think so much You know you want you want more time in the world spent pondering upon its Mysteries That's right. What about naturally beautiful people or animals? No, uh People would agree that like makeup is art. I'd agree with that that uh estheticians. Absolutely And photos of animals Yeah, but just having a face because genetics made you that way. That's not art But the way but what you do with that is yeah the way that you style your hair wear makeup Shave your facial hair stuff like that. That's absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. That's art Uh in the greek world the definition of art was the application of practical wisdom This could mean architecture sculpture painting etc. Etc Yeah, that's the wisdom It's interesting Well, that's one of those things especially though where you'd be like There'd be so much thinking behind that and so much to explain and develop it that they want to in as short a phrase as possible, right? Well, it's kind of the challenge of trying to summarize it in a short way because there's always like room to have a conversation about it Right like any of the normal inspirational quotes It's like we're sure but we we could talk about this a bit more, you know Even if even if it's a gory able there's there's stuff to unpack You have four twelve packs of soda to bring in they are the kind with Perforations that you push in to create a handle Your pride your pride prevents you from making two trips. One has one end partly opened. How do you carry them in? You can carry them with only one. I actually did this today I went to the store and I bought some beer and it was a twelve pack and There were a twelve case and it's in the cardboard box and it has the little perforations That you can use to carry it typically they're on the sides Um so that you could either carry it with both hands by sticking your fingers in the perforations And then the handles are you know emergent from the holes that you've created Or you could just use one of your hands and just carry it. It's not that heavy. It's just a twelve case of beer So this is literally something I've done today. You can just carry it with one hand You don't need to use two hands for it. There you go You solved his problem nice and right. There you go. That's right And for those who might be curious the beer that I got it was a variety pack of sam Adams Like octoberfest stuff Um, in fact actually I have a pic I took a picture. I went there to get some stuff for myself and my dad He's really keen on those kinds of beers So Let me open I took a picture and said hey, should I bring this over for you? um Let me go to my photos. It had Flannel flannel fest, which is a Munich dunkel. It has octoberfest, which is hardy and smooth It was samuel adams jack-o pumpkin ale. I bet that tastes pretty good And then there's hoppy lager, which is dry hopped golden lager So it looks like there's going to be three of each of those four Um, and I'm um hoping they turn out pretty well. It sounds like the kind of stuff that I would like as well Um, by the way that uh, that shiner holiday cheer stuff is pretty Pretty good. They make an excellent variety pack that literally is so some variety packs like um They're like the one I just described. It's 12 bottles. There's four Uh different varieties that are of which there are three each But the shiner one which was like a holiday variety pack It went all the way there were 12 individual kinds in there one each and that now that's a proper variety pack Right, that's a mmm. You could have done like six types of two each, but now don't know they went all the way 12 individual flavors Good on you shiner. Good on you I went to the MoMA yesterday and there was a lot of great stuff there the MoMA I'm not that familiar. New Zealand one not. Oh, right I thought the MoMA was like an actual Building called creature. Well something like that. Yeah But that makes sense. Okay Is bell dolphins bathwater art? Hmm In a way, yeah She bowled it and sold it. What it's it's mixology Mixology That's the thing that happened Yep The a fire extinguisher is amazing odd. It's a perfected technology easy to spot easy to use, but you won't accidentally use it and effective Um, a lot of those things don't have to do with it being art, but I would agree that it is art Well, yeah, like a fire hydrant as a as a thing, right? You know the old classic fire hydrant That's like that's definitely kind of like the same as the uh, you know the the uh the telephone You know london telephone, uh Uh Box that's that's like uh booth Yeah, booth for a second. I'm like, is it a box or is it a booth like not knowing? Oh, yeah, I guess Made tremendously I was about to say because yeah, you got the phone boxes But then you have phone booths and it's like the red one you're saying it's like, yeah Is that a box or booth? I think that would be a booth, but I'm not sure you've It's a reason why because I remember someone that people again You can tell I'm still annoyed about this like a light a light post is an odd It's like come on some of these like old, you know, there are many Yeah, many kinds of light posts Yeah, and obviously they are made to be displayed publicly So a lot of them will be done with that in mind We got to have light posts. We might as well have them look nice because it makes our Yeah, because it makes our town or city look better Or we'll put some things on them so that like banners can be draped from them that kind of thing Mm-hmm Can a moment in time be art after you appreciate all the random variables that go into something happening And the realization of its impact on the world would that then create an emotional response equaling art? It would not be art But they can absolutely you can draw things from them. Yeah, absolutely 100% Oh, yeah, I mean you draw things from life, even if it's not an art But what's interesting is how they ended that question with would it then create an emotional response equaling art Which is a strange question.   That's that's that's this is kind of what we're trying to get at the the art is almost a term to just describe An event I guess or an action it's not like to describe it as something doesn't mean it's necessarily positive It's yeah, because when you say like an art work um I hate to say but like Hannibal Lecter is often considered an artist in like the fiction that he's a part of But I mean it obviously he's a serial killer like it's it's Yeah, this stuff comes with it's it's it's um, I think that once you get enough of these questions answered You start to like see a broader picture for art, but also you see its edges If that makes sense you're like that's as far as it goes. It doesn't actually stop eventually And then you refocus on the um, let's actually talk about How you know good they are within the craft that they are I suppose the the If you want to talk about whether or not you consider it to be moral they can be art.  That's repulsive and they're absolutely entitled to that perspective Uh Jackson Pollock died drunk driving while cheating on his wife. There's no way that man wasn't an artist But is that meant to be I don't understand like artists are often tortured and stuff I Maybe yeah I mean, it's a meme tortured artist guy, you know, you know, it's literally a perk in rimworld is a baxter is a trait You can have his tortured artist. Oh really? Yeah And you would do that to them. Yep. Oh, yeah Part of the story if they could fix Maybe yeah, it's like a whenever someone has a mental breakdown They have like a 50 chance of coming out of the breakdown with uh, uh, a creativity inspiration Oh, there you go Yeah Um, hey any alternative way to give you guys money other than super chats Uh stream labs, I guess is the other one. Um, we tend to do a catch up for them as in blocks as well I'm trying to think of any other uh, we each have patreons. I know, uh That's not yeah, that doesn't count as youtube, of course So, uh, I believe myself and rags have subscribe stars that are active. Yes. Okay. Um And it would that be it. I guess every time we have a um, you know, uh some kind of merchandise run Which we're trying to make sure we get at least like once per year So the if people want to support that way that they have their opportunity But we'll try and change it up every time in terms of the thing it is Um, or if it's a similar thing a different version of that thing So hopefully one of them works also any plans in maybe bringing the guy from pitch meeting into efap If he wanted to if he wants to yeah, you bet Speaking of art, I'm at a storytelling festival today. So I'll have to watch this later. I hope you have fun Oh, thank you. Uh, yeah, I did have hope you have fun and we sure did sure did Sure do love fun pretty smart director It's Is me masturbating on camera for other people are I mean, yeah, you're certainly expressing yourself Um, that one's kind of an easy one because there's so many I mean, isn't that just porn which is an art form? That is that it would be good to find that difficult to To swallow I guess it's just when you say it like that. It's funny. I'm just you sitting there recording yourself wanking. Yeah, that's the thing Uh being told what to think or feel about an art piece is gatekeeping art itself is conveying emotions and Just as same words can spark different reactions.  That's not how that works But offering a perspective is totally chill Yeah, yeah, of course and and people may judge you based on the perspective that you come away Like if you watch a really tragic scene in a movie and you're cackling Yeah, people will judge you for that. Yeah, and they're welcome to judge you But the step of the line a bit when they say that they must control how you think you're like Oh, yeah, it's like, uh, come on Uh, would you consider the mix or form slash function a form of art? For example, many medical gurneys are made so that every part that causes movement is red Um, so when we're talking about like the that would have been designed and likely, you know I guess because gurneys are old now, but However, it was designed would have been done in a very artistic form. I would imagine Yep So it's hard not to include stuff like that. Yeah Um Check out the secret art of dr. Seuss really intriguing The secret art of dr. Seuss Oh, we like art. We like secret art too Uh, why a phone call audio quality still crap?  I was like, I don't know Yeah, my phone's not old either. It's like two years old or whatever. Just like why why is why I guess It's got to be the technology that it all runs through, right? I guess so Fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it Someone who does like some or not. Ethan has the most vapid takes ever Like did he just copy them from a college art critiques editorial? You can see what happened.  Yeah, like in a surprising kind of way.   Well, yeah, it's that not part of the law You know if you wanted to say that your favorite movie was like, I don't know fucking spider-man 2 If I walked up Michelangelo's david and then I started to basically read off the major points of its wikipedia page Which I imagine is quite long And I said to like that that was what inspires me so much about this statue And then someone said like so not really the statue more so the effect it had on culture and I'd be like, yeah That's fair.   No, I guess it's normal Mario Kart 8 is actually an allegory for socialism nice And why is it good It's an allegory. It's not the actual thing rags I don't know about that. It's a hyper competitive You know, it's a hyper competitive game where you got all of the characters now including funky kong And diddy kong finally and uh, and pauline You know right my man funky kong. He don't believe in no socialism. Okay No, it's true kong is a chill dude. He doesn't believe in he he believes in having a good time and Hell, yeah, that's my ideal political system. What do you think? Having a good time Do you think mario is very interested in politics? Yes He's he's desperately trying to maintain the man on the salini. Yeah Every single game he's trying to fix up the monarchy from falling apart Bowser's trying to destroy the monarchy He definitely thinks about the wrong Monarchy because bowser is a monarch. He's the king of the coopers Dang, yeah, but so really it's not too much. It's too monarchy.  Well, well If you'd played super mario flim flam flim you'd know that mario did not find bowser attractive, so I think that was just him playing hard to get he didn't want to wear He didn't want to he wants to play his cards close to his chest Who's the tywin of the mario world? wallowigie Yeah, I thought you were gonna say that he just doesn't let anyone know when opens up his mouth.  Not like spreading out to the super smash brothers or anything none and I because I feel like you know, like, uh, link that would probably be captain america, right? uh What if you imagine like Mario, but I think smash brothers is a avengers Yeah, I don't know. I feel like the fact that link is mostly like quiet and he just does the right thing all the time That should weigh into it. They're not one to one That like link is kind of like your straightforward noble hero, which feels like yeah, yeah, I can see it. Yeah I would imagine because I guess the funny thing is when you think about them in terms of importance It's like so is mario iron man Uh, in terms of I guess you compare it to like their marvel movies. It's like, I guess he would have to be um I don't know. I don't feel I don't feel like mario would be captain america But at the same time, I don't feel like uh samus is black widow. I feel like she uh, I feel like she would occupy a different role And and who what about fox maybe fox is captain america.  He's basically saying I could do this all day What about captain falcon come on show me show me your moves Falcon come on. That seems more like A bit more uh, you know bullsy and uh cocky Yeah, exactly. Maybe he's Tony Stark. Maybe What happened to him? Did he nearly get blown up and then he's got a little like magnet on his chest to keep the shrapnel from getting to his chest We still haven't figured out because I was thinking that uh Oh wait, well, maybe there's too many problems with this but like, you know Like iron man is like I guess samus Uh, they they're so different though as characters. That's totally different. We got to do more than the suit, right? Yeah, because obviously there's a suit but like but remember samus also. She's not like a regular person She's got chozo dna and woman. That's true No, she's that she's genetically enhanced. So I know like she's a woman Hey, iron man gets genetically enhanced in certain comic stories Oh in comics, I'm sure but but uh, but they've got different back. They've got totally different Well, yeah, no that they're just not even remotely just because I got a suit of armor doesn't mean that I put them as uh Okay, but like fucking fox and captain america are completely different too Um, they're both they're both like the Very sort of archetypal heroic leaders um Yeah, okay, but like aragorn and thid and are completely different too. That's true. Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, I guess Well, I guess the thing is if you had to choose between link and fox as being uh Captain america, who do you think who do you think better suits the role? I think I would edge toward link myself You wouldn't yeah, I feel like link would express a lot of what captain america would he just doesn't speak He just doesn't say it keeps it to himself. He says it with his actions Is curbie is curbie Thor? I think that that works Um, especially uh, not earlier Thor later Thor because curbie's cute and fun, you know, uh Thor it's I hate to say this was like Love and thunder Thor might be the closest to curbie. Unfortunately I think that might be an insult to curbie though No, it's an insult to pass Thor that films Thor that films Thor is pretty consistent. It's an insult to me He's a clown man, right?  He's the one who essentially sets into motion the events that save the day every time Um, because curbie kind of has inflated importance in super smash brothers, but that's okay Uh, wow. Yeah, exactly. See I intended that Whenever I like that. Yeah, what about I was quick enough to catch it. Who's Hawkeye?  Where's that going? Kong is a scientist Yeah, no, they're really he loves bananas. Donkey kong is incredibly chill Um, he's actually yeah, he's not like rage monster I think all we're getting all we're discovering is that the kong has a rage monster inside of the nintendo character Is it not very analogous at all with the avengers as I uh, and yet you are forced to connect them So you just got it, you know, sometimes you just got a pick Yeah, I guess sorry.   I wonder who would be metanite? Man, they they made a Falcon, how did they manage? How did they manage to make uh metanite so unbalanced in uh in in brawl?  I love that game, but holy shit Bear tell you what I was distracted by now Okay, yeah, I mean, I feel like we've we've we've drawn as much blood from this stone Um, what are we just more stones to draw? So there's um, there's a documentary on robocop And uh, I knew about this, but I just got reminded of it because I just saw something to do with it But basically they're about to start a scene and there's this guy who's um helping him out some kind of stage hand or whatever He's walking up to, um peter weller And he's holding his gun and he's ready to give it to him and he's also got loads of Oreos in his hand and uh There was this thing and it got said on other documentaries, okay That apparently peter weller wanted to get so into character He wanted to be referred to as robocop by People on set including like robo and um, he took it seriously and this is i'm not gonna say this is true This is what i've heard from different accounts and so this guy is walking up to him and uh Uh, peter turns to him and says robo wants an Oreo And apparently the guy was like peter i'm not i'm not playing that game like you have to say peter wants an Oreo not not robo He just said peter wants an Oreo Robo wants an Oreo you kept saying robo And then uh, they would like they just like wouldn't stop the scene apparently and then the The director of or whoever had authority at the time said like can you please give robo an Oreo? And the guy the guy apparently stuffed all the Oreos into his face to prevent peter weller from having any of them That's how the story goes and in the documentary it then cuts to peter weller who then says i have no fucking clue what you're talking about I don't know or am i just not remembering Robo wants an Oreo Because people interpret art they say it's political most of the stuff i make i don't have a statement not hard to think the same for other artists Well the problem is is an artwork political When it's got a fair interpretation or when the artist intended for it to be political or both or neither I assume we would settle on it doesn't matter what the artist said or intended Well in terms of whether or not you could say or derive some political meaning from it If uh the story went and there was explicit like the problem with capitalism is and then labels a lot of like Criticism known to it and then in the story they change to a different system based on that and then other problems come in Based on that and then the villains are personified versions of those systems and they clash and blah blah And then you find out it was all made by a randomized like person throwing darts at a board didn't even know what these words meant I wasn't trying to make something political.  I mean, I guess it's the whole monkeys of the typewriter, right? Yeah, which is another interesting one to think about in terms of uh Sort of artwork that wouldn't knowing something like that about your fate if if prestige was made by monkeys of typewriters to be like Okay They managed to create an incredible film. Yeah, good job monkeys Yeah, it was the best of times. It was the blast of times What is such a simple joke, but it's hilarious Finger painting is the new tool of the alt right Finger painting. Oh, they're up to something That was the thing in the uh in the video right of where they got finger paintings and then We're comparing it to jackson pollock or trying to convince people that it was monnard or something monstrous Hmm, I can't believe how often I heard this same speech about art being political It always came after people why I watched come back from college. Yeah, because it's another enlightening thing But it's so boring. It's just like, yeah I know a lot is political. It's like, yep, you're cool.  All right. Now. Let's move along.   Yeah Oh my god, I just discovered nihilism for the first time in my life as a man in my late 40s One must ask himself the vital question. What are the politics of bob the builder? capitalist He's getting paid for this work again doing it for free. He's a good builder. Yeah, he's doing paid for the work But he's it's probably like ethical capitalism. Honestly. Absolutely Bob would never take advantage of his workers Extension, uh, machines. Do they get paid? I don't know. Maybe they care not for money Maybe they're maybe they're just they don't like they're taken care of and they don't have any desires Imagine, I don't know Bots didn't want money.  I like film I thought it was overly long Film good paste poorly I guess having eyes is right-wing propaganda now Yep, I'm happy to have eyes Did you guys hear about his live stream of super mega and all that drama? He had to take it down to save face No, clue. Don't know exactly what his involvement is with that. No No clue Of any of you seen Maggie Mae fish's Zach Snyder videos It may take it may make a funny efap since none of you are Snyder fans and Maggie's literally insane She thinks the zombie outbreak in dawn of the dead was caused by muslims What that's interesting I don't even remember what the course was in that film. Was it like um Experiment on animals gone wrong for each of them. I don't know and I don't care. I don't care about I don't care about that movie.  Oh wait. Sorry. I'm mixing up with army of the dead I haven't seen that movie. I'll be the dead. I haven't seen dawn of the dead. Oh, okay I might be one. I don't think I've seen it either That might be one to um do a back-to-back with the original and his remake because his remake wasn't poorly received people kind of liked it I think But that was uh, that was early in his uh filmography. What's his first movie? Well the key For ringing is the you know who wrote it. It was written by James Gunn. Yeah Interesting in it Uh, I'm surprised somebody somebody's there. Someone's finally covering this wode of snob He's a bit obnoxious ain't he have a fun stream nice stream and high rags Tell him. Yeah, you want those knob? Yeah When someone tells you you're wrong about one of the most broadest like selections of art ever you're in for a pretentious time Like it's you know, because you'd be like, well, wouldn't you say that he was wrong about modern art? I'd be like not entirely. He's like it's incomplete. He's got a journey to go on But i'm glad he's out of phase one which is looks at it and goes thumb up or down You know, you might have passed that one Yeah Good day to you chaps been watching for a couple years, but I missed 250 also top three favorite characters from full metal alchemist brotherhood Oh, this will be for me and rex. I remember an alphabet Uh, well, it's been so long. I don't actually have I haven't retained all that much of it I know the um the armstrongs are both up there for me brother and sister. I thought they were both pretty awesome I'm just um What's the name of the mace hues? I'm going to avoid saying Yeah, he's his name. Yeah. Yeah, I know super super likable character and then King bradley was pretty badass and I am obviously very happy with which sin he was representative of um Those are the ones that come to mind quickly outside of why am I forgetting his name?  Um, yeah, that'd probably be the selection though I'm obviously there's a lot of characters in that show that are pretty awesome So don't take that to mean anything other than they're the ones that come to mind But uh, that'll be one to rewatch at some point Yeah, I wouldn't mind rewatching that at all. Yeah, I might do that I think fringy would be particularly uh moved by one of its more famous episodes Okay, I would be keen on yeah rewatching it because it's like I've said so much of it It's just left my mind because it was so long ago. You know Uh, is ratatouille modern rat? Yes, it is modern rat. It's very good rat. Yeah. Oh yum In all fairness george lucas was a tryhard You know what to make of that Sure, I guess uh Yeah, all right. Yeah, that's a good thing and in a lot of ways Oh my god, am I dreaming random and efab best day ever? Hell, yeah Hello fringy and rags Hey Hello to you Is it more important for the next sonic movie to have shadow being edgy and using a gun or to have rouge Have massive bat titties and generous cleavage I think it's way more important for shadow to have a gun and be edgy. Oh, yeah Absolutely. Yeah, like rouge is whatever but like shadow. That's where it's at Yeah, you guys think that when we make fun of him that it would mean we wouldn't want to see 10 movies of shadow The hedgehog shooting his gun.  No, no, no, there's nothing polite about no. No He uses light profanity That's right. Like what the hell or well, yeah, I need to hear that Dang No, damn. He says damn. Oh, he does say damn.  Like I might be able to accept and acknowledge that to be fair Maybe that was a bad example because if he did make a good point, I'd want to acknowledge that but whether or not I guess let's put it this way if he Put out a series of movies and he was going to do a kickstart and I wouldn't fucking support it and be like why because it's politics And it's like yes Even evil evil terrible horrible person like if it was presented as well I mean you could watch two movies one of them is his and one of them is another movie It's like well, I probably would rather watch the other movie Yeah, it's like even if well, it's like would you rather if we accepted this scenario? It's like you can watch the new movie bob movie or ryan johnson's movie. I'd be like well ryan johnson.  So that's nice Yeah, people posted on the subreddit recently and well, I say recently it's it's every week Um more like just tweets of him telling everyone to kill themselves who are critical of disney What what what is his problem? I can't tell you the answer to that question because um, I was it was uh, I was talked about I think by adam and sitch that um It could have been someone else as well.  He said something like 75 percent Oh, yeah, it's probably more than that. Yeah Well, I mean it would get us to Mars with our max suits. So there's that You know try not to be selfish for five seconds. Maybe Yeah, I'll work on it. I don't steal his halloween. Okay Oh wouldn't dream of it Uh This charlatan is lying about the prega you video the host provides examples of impressionists. He thinks are good like Uh vango and renoir. He's guilty of the exact things. He's accusing prega you of That's something that we discovered watching the video was that this guy basically is a caricature of the thing that he's criticizing.  He's just Which I mean that's that's quite an accomplishment when prega you isn't it like it's a think tank Yeah, it's a conservative Is to essentially propagate conservative ideals like Like as as in that it that is its goal like almost openly basically Yeah, and meanwhile he was being like more Propaganda stick Yeah, yeah To the point where he was like see look at this guy's this conservatives guys are at shit And I'm like we're just sitting there looking at how cool and amazing it was he's like Oh, you it's just it's conservative. So you have to hate it because you're tribe Pretty much High as a rock to a string now there's art Maybe Fire rags hire random film talk never no never Hi ragatouni Hello to you David statue is important for the paragon debate and carved out of a rock deemed impossible To use stood in Florence's defender of the city center. That's law. No one cares Yeah Oh, sorry wait. No, he does can so that would be amazing now. Oh my god The statue is now 10 out of 10. Nice.  Like, okay, so bad art, right? He's like, you know, just neutral. He's only care. Okay. And then we just present him made up law And then he's like, whoa, this is actually amazing. Okay.  I don't like That point of view at all even though I'm totally accepting of listening to the artist Interpretation of the work is just You hope That you can detect at least more than one percent of that law from the actual work Because uh, everyone can look at the thing from you know, uh An image to film to whatever And then have it explained quote-unquote and then look at it for the second time be like, oh, I see Oh, I missed that. I didn't see that. Oh, yeah. Fuck. I wasn't listening to this scene So, you know, I missed that and it's like, yeah, that's totally fine happens to everyone Yeah, it happens and it's okay. It's fine. You're not like a perfect robot On that topic famed efap manager j retweeted a tweet for the other day saying the toilet in the room was art because it pissed people off for a long time I wouldn't agree. That's why it would be art Yeah, I would Because at that point If nobody reacted to it, then it's not art. Does that make it not art? Yeah, which is not we don't want to be using that definition What do I mean? Like when you come up with these strange like ways of categorized like think of the negatives of them as well And I don't I don't mean the downside. I mean the opposite. Sorry like the inverse of your statement. Think about it because It'll often it'll stress the scale. It'll let you know whether or not it's got a few holes in it, I guess Uh, would you guys consider humans art also hi cat? Hi, no They came to our bodybuilding that bodybuilding is art Well, and what about genetic manipulation? That could be art Yes, that's art All right Artistic quality is determined primarily by greater cohesion the parts coming together for a whole and all else being equal greater complexity I'd say this is a mode in which quality is often assessed But the problem of course is that you can have Artworks that could be scoring low in those environments, but the people who feel incredibly moved by them Um, say like a film that's got like a particularly bad script, but an incredible performance We would probably try and split those up and celebrate what crafts we think are working at the time But a lot of people would come away just saying like no the movie's amazing Um because of those like an individual element working to surpass that's that would be the concept of more than the sum of its parts I imagine um Or More than the detriment of its parts. I don't know, but I I see what you're saying is kind of what I'm getting at The profound stupidity of this so-called youtube artist argument is so bewildering It must be ascribed to higher education. He has to have gone to college to so boldly say so something something so stupid I think he's just he's completely and totally captured by just tribal politics I just wish he informs everything that he says I wish he had friends that could uh challenge him on some of the stuff that he'd come up with because there's so many holes Um like he hasn't given this any actual thought he wants you to think otherwise, but He really hasn't given any of this any thought whatsoever No one's asked him any questions about this stuff You guys need to see meat canyons new video on xqc one of the funniest damn videos i've ever seen If that many perhaps check out the thumbnail. Yeah, we we loved it. It's great. Yes, it's it's great again I'll take your eyes. I'll do it again chat Someone's trying to steal my treasure chat.  Is that the idea like is are you memeing because you know how Simpler than that which is like oh money that validates me as a person. Oh, I wonder if it is that simple Well, like but I mean yeah, good luck with that, dude um Question for your funny art discussion. Is it art to decide all the parameters to force an ai to generate an image according to your vision? uh Wait like say that one more time just so I kind of have a You decide all of the parameters that force an ai to generate an image according to your vision um I still don't necessarily think so. I still think it's the it's still the ai if it's doing it all It's a yes for me. I'm picturing the sully here. For example in Monsters Inc. Oh that yeah, I get yeah, okay. I could see that. So yeah, I could see that sort of thing being a yeah uh, there are there are Things that could apply to what they've just said that I might consider a no But I mean for the broadness of the question I'd I'd uh, I'd lean on yes than no I just got here.  Well, you know, just like to have some fat lesbians in life and just a variety of their best, you know Um, I don't think I agree with everything he said, but I just looked up robert flawsak He's a visual artist and his work seems really good It is very good. Yeah This dude is the definition of gender fluid Well, I am still not familiar enough with what that means myself I know you mainly focus on writing but as an aspiring editor I wondered what your opinion is on walter murch's rule of six your editing tips I give rule of six editing tips Yeah, I don't quite know what that is alter Oh, it fills in nice Hmm Merch's six rules of editing consist of emotion story rhythm I trace two dimensional plane of screen and three dimensional space of action interesting Makes sense that somebody would have tried to uh, you know, put this all into it out and write down. Yeah, simple rules Yeah, yeah, just to read one of them, right cut for emotion Let's begin with the first rule emotion accounting for over 50 of what makes a great cut What does merch mean by emotion good rule of thumb for understanding this to ask yourself How will this cut affect the audience emotionally at this point? Not necessarily that you have to make them feel sad at one cut or happy at another This rule has more to do with what the film feels like the tone of it Are your cuts working in the right emotional tone or feel for what you're going for overall? Yeah, this sound I mean, sure. Um, it goes into way more depth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably solid I've not heard of this before but I wouldn't mind looking into it. I suppose um And then they're asking like do we have editing tips? It's uh, it's complicated When you make a youtube video that's reviewing something I'd argue The rules quote-unquote or the recommendations for editing are very complicated It can Um, what I I don't mean to imply even for a second that they're more complicated than editing for a movie What I mean is that um a movie's sort of advice can be so different compared to a youtube video And then that's per video and that's per creator because everyone has a different style Everyone probably has different rules You know and like recommendations like one of the ones we have of course is just like, you know Use your visuals to your advantage make them match what you're saying make them. Um, almost Accentuate what you're saying and you could even have subtext through visuals and well That was like a more straightforward rule of thumb for me. It's the I I pretty much exclusively sync cuts on um On the end of a sentence or on like a logical break point in a sentence like on like a syllable I don't like to cut like mid words But if I do yeah like on a strong syllable otherwise it will be Based on the beginning or end of a sentence or a comma. That's pretty much how I always cut visuals So that'd be one thing I do. It just feels right. Um, but that's kind of the thing It's kind of hard to describe feel in terms of something that you're achieving with uh with um With that medium. Yeah Another thing as well is probably I don't know that that those nostalgia critic like Pauses that he has when he delivers a joke I'd say like man trim the fat as much as you can In terms of like making sure that there's not too many gaps between the price. You didn't go with uh feloni as the example there Oh, we're sure but that I guess if we're talking about video editing compared to if you're cutting together a film There's plenty of reasons why you might want to have a long pause, but you know When you're just showing redundant information at that point it might be worth considered whether or not you need this shot um In your paint right to get rid of brushstrokes Okay. Yeah, I suppose so. Yeah, if the paint was really thin. Yeah, like you wouldn't have brushstrokes if you painted like milk Wait, I thought the left didn't see color Oh Oh, no that's offensive. They do the art in modern art is in the bs spun to sell it Well, uh There's good modern art like there is there is actually good modern art. That's interesting I don't know how you define it because good old wikipedia defines modern art beginning in the 1860s Which I imagine that when people think of modern art They probably aren't thinking of like vinson van go or like a lot of the impressionists of the late 19th century No, um, and I think technically anything that's like post. Yeah, like post the 60s or 70s. That's post modern art, isn't it? Like if you want to get into the more stricter definitions of these terms Kind of in the same way that people think that all like older sounding music is classical when they're actually differences classical is a very specific era And then you've got like the romantic era and you know and such there's good modern art. All right. Geez. Absolutely is. Yeah Wait, I thought oh no wait, let me read that one I understand how you can be impressed by the technical ability required to make a big perfectly white painting But that feels like you're not taking talking about art, but skill like the videos of people who do their jobs really fast This is well, it's complicated when it comes to when talking about that Like there's an immense amount that you could talk about of the technical skill like for example in cinematography Even if it's a film that doesn't really do anything for you personally And when you think about what we appreciate about skill It's usually going to be the knowledge in our head now that that person has lived a life where they've honed this That they're focusing to a point of using all of their like muscle to Perfectly represent like the thing they're trying to achieve There's a lot of them that is happening to make that and has happened to make what they're doing Like we are separating out skill there when it's like well I mean what is the appreciation of skill if not the appreciation of that person and the life they've lived and what they can do Like the form of them watching them express themselves. We're impressed with how they can do it Ever wanted to kill a skeleton by picking one up and hitting another one with it Well in boulders gate three you can and more some very good rat wow I rags and screeches for the good good frog. Hello, and thank you.  Sorry speculation into what they mean Or there is oh, yeah, that's like a worthwhile one in terms of you know The point of what happens if somebody creates a piece of art They didn't write down what they intended and they died as soon as they finished it Is that art to this guy less valuable inherently because of that What does he do with an artist that puts it right in front of him that he says oh, what does this mean they go? I'll tell on you. I'm not telling you I think he like pokes. I'm like, come on. Come on. Tell me what it meant to think Come on Oh, no mayonnaise golem. You can't glass stones in a throw house What mayonnaise golem? Golem not golem What was that noise that was golem. Oh, okay It didn't come out that way, but that's fine. Oh, all right. Well Petition to add happy fringy. Look at him emote for when something wholesome is on the screen Oh, that's a good idea. You should do that one. We have fringy gnar. So yeah, we could probably swap that out Let him cook guys we did we let him cook way too long It went bad Who let this bad cook? Yeah, there you go cooking was a mistake Fun teenage mutant ninja turtles fact the cg teenage mutant ninja turtles show Is the only time splinter named them specifically after his fave artists every other version is a coincidence Coincidence that they're named after all the famous artists Well, I guess if you write it in that it's a coincidence. It's a coincidence. I guess technically yeah, um Interesting though, I don't know why they just wouldn't be like yeah, that's what it's about Oh, no, his straw man is fighting back. That's always the funniest when they lose Yeah That's I'm just imagining it now straw man with a sword. Yeah balls on him stabs everybody's like You should look up Robert floor jack's art He's got other pieces that this guy didn't pick that are really cool The ones he did pick are really cool. Yeah, we were pretty happy with some of the ones he did pick I think we did look into him though, didn't we? Yeah, I went around browsing some of his stuff. Yeah Uh, the lefty youtubers are still mad that charlie defended idub's old content.   Oh, no saying mean things But he was also he had really great breakdowns of how they were doing things unethically But oh well that era is dead Using art in reference to the grouping of painting drawing and sculptures as distinct from other media while it is Confusing its normal part of how language is used. I don't see the problem Oh, I don't care then. Um, if you think that I don't even agree. Um, and you probably don't either I don't I don't think this person would agree with it at all Not even close you would say that by that definition then films is an art What was music would be excluded from that too, right performance art as well like yeah Well, we would just ask like what broad term do you have for the like art games and everything you're just mentioning Like what what is the term for them or do you agree with rogie? But then Also, they ended that with I don't see the problem. It's like why not Yeah, it presents a really obvious and lame problem, which is the It excludes a huge amount of creative expression by that definition.   It's like I'm guessing they didn't count until they did count Yeah, exactly Because that's kind of let's just skip the part where the video games don't count Well, yeah, because roger eve. It's like, yeah films count but video games don't skip back a hundred years Oh, yeah films. This isn't real. This isn't like a drama photography doesn't count real Yeah, so why don't we just cut to the chase? You know, well, so that was actually what I was gonna say It's like a sculpture counts, but not a photo of a sculpture And this is like if you count the photo of the sculpture, sure But not a film of the sculpture is like, okay film the sculpture counts But not the video game where you could push the sculpture over like, okay Uh, I hate to break it to you, but many artists are alcoholics AJD drug addicts see all of music Oh, I think he's saying that to the video. Maybe I don't know. But yeah, obviously I was Not like of artists being flawed people Yeah, we know there that's a common understanding a lot of people, you know fuel their artwork through their lives their experiences and stuff Um, I say that just to make sure the door is open that there are some people who create art in a very Monotonous and uninspired way. They're just like meh put that there, but that there there we go done Which is like You know, it's not not art. It's just oftentimes Um, you as an audience member you can kind of feel it. It's basically a modern mcu. It's just soulless, you know so No, so Also, Bob Ross did paint a face and it's good Wow, I'm not surprised at all that he's talented at painting faces wikipedia states that Terence P. Minogue Composed the film's score and that Robert Florzak credited as Robert Hawke provided vocals for original songs Does it be about raw? I think On floor's okay website It states Robert Florzak composed and performed the songs showcased in the film and with minogue composed the film's score cool okay I said the drunk driving thing is a joke. I didn't think he'd actually insult concade for being an alcoholic while praising Pollock for the same Yeah, that was that was really weird It's weird. This is it literally is like having all of your thoughts Compartmentalized on their own islands that in no way intersect.  I guess um Like the way it sort of works in his mind if he was to try and justify it would be like You can see Pollock's pain in his work. You can't see any of it in concades or something like that Maybe you can well, that's the thing. I think that it's that's that'll be a boldest fuck claim You know, I don't I think it's way more interesting when you have concade painting scenes that he paints like these very Serene homely calm cozy intimate Appealing and then knowing the you know story behind it like that kind of contrast is more interesting than me I don't know about I don't know if I'd say that I guess it's like it could be interesting But at the same time it could yeah, because if it's using the Pollock example It's like no he was like a drunk whatever and then I look at the paintings and I'm like yep Well, well, yeah, I don't know I I guess I guess we're talking about Jackson Pollock, but I mean obviously Vincent van Gogh is kind of like the Yeah, if yeah, obviously if we're talking about different people. Yeah, it would be different but talking about these two It was black lines until he spilled some mustard on it You don't know it was mustard. It could have just been yellow paint Yeah, that's right I get the overwhelming impression that mr. Microphone stand here would rather talk about his culture war enemies than art from a neutral or nuanced perspective many such cases Yeah, he's not alone in doing that the people do that from all walks of life is just that video kind of Did a really good job of preventing presenting a bad case for the title He's criticizing Kincaid for being wildly appealing is the ideal art something no one likes That's another metric. I don't like You know like oh, I like that you never heard of it. Wow. Well, just that gotcha.  Oh good. There you go. I think that's a plus right to become artistic Yeah, that's you know, you don't have to but Sola sands wants to join the call to add context to his video. We had him on for a full episode We learned a bit about kinkade as well Yeah, story If only he knew there were six trillion boxes in that warehouse I remember the warehouse part. That was funny because charlie nailed it, didn't he? Yeah, he did. Oh, so funny um Six million cubic inches of air is contained within these boxes within that a synagogue It is what I believe. I know that I think this is art And that's what make it was is to be is do Random film talk. I thought it was only a matter of time before he joined you dumbo's for another fab cool beans Hey, you should also play ddlc sometime Maybe we will Epic find that is hilarious to pretentious to do basic research much well done. Yeah, that was a funny part of the stream Get Sola sands on or don't I'm not a cop. Well, we did This a face is some off some way frantically searching for his burden Why he's looking for it. He's looking for a rock to push. Yeah Speaking of an go see the film loving Vincent There or no, wait, it's not the one I saw I saw the one that had willem de fauna. That was a that was an interesting movie He played Vincent van Gogh Was that uh, do you remember the name or That's what I mean. I wonder if that's what it was called. I can't remember what it was called I just know it was a willem de fauna and he played Vincent van Gogh. Are you fair enough To be fair only jackson paulet could exactly made the accidental pattern which he created at the exact time and place that he did it in I guess Gonna miss seven faps this year because of the af Air forces, I guess also since we were robbed of an st st4 fap Stranger things for maybe season four. Uh, we should compensate with an overall stranger things fap this great year I don't I know.   Old art has a random skull Oh, they got random in quotations. I guess because they're saying that there's more to gain from older art That's not explained Yeah, the more that you can glean from it without having additional information I think so, yeah Uh, even if you were influenced to dislike modern art if the art was good you would likely change your mind You can have meaning and still do good work I guess you could say you could lack meaning and still do good work as well Yeah, that's possible Um, prager you found a loves family guy big seth green fan Okay, what Dennis prager really likes family guy does he that's funny if true That is kind of funny if that's true Ringbow, what's your favorite australian movie just watched young einstein again pretty great Ridiculous fun puppies in a pie get saved also nor What is my favorite australian movie? Um I Really really like Gallipoli. It's been a while since i've watched it, but I really like Gallipoli. Um I need to rewatch it I'm getting annoyed because I feel like there's an obvious one as well But I'm like forgetting at the moment like that's a looting man Then I'll be annoyed when I remember it later, but yeah Gallipoli is a Gallipoli is um, that's a really good movie All right Has he brought up the fact that art is expensive so that rich people can store value into a tradable object like how nfts work All right. Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure he talks about that. Yeah, I think he talked about it Yeah, because pretty much any video seemingly about art Like art in museums has to bring that up. Well the uh philosophy tube one did right? Yes, about how it's like a Money storage for the wealthy, but that's not much of it is to do with the art itself Uh, that's some good rat my dude. I agree. Yeah, sure I love starry night. What if knowing it's his view from the asylum made me like it less then what bold man? Um, well, I guess I like I guess it's an interesting one