you're looking at how a cell is the smallest unit in a body and just like that you know a cell group if you would say it's a small unit in the in the church in the body of Christ and and it is very effective as a as a model as a as a discipleship model right because we're talking about discipleship we're talking about how one can follow the Lord effectively and how we also looked at the path of a believer from being a disciple to coming to a place of being from from from a believer to coming to a place of a disciple to a place of being a minister and to come to the place of being leaders by raising up leaders themselves raising up ministers themselves so we we saw that path now that path can be effectively done in a small group ministry so so that is what that is why that is a whole objective of this course right to find out okay to study more about this model of small group ministry and how can we do it right so today let's look at you know some of these churches which have in the past which has started what is called you know what you can call as a cell church right so their entire ministry the was was focused like you know sometimes we this is how we can look at it no sometimes we say okay we are a church this is the innovation of the church and cell group is part of it you know it's something that we do on the site you know to help believers fellowship to build the sense of community etc. it's something that it's one of the program one of the many programs of the church whereas you know these churches that we know a couple of churches that we're gonna look at they they started and they followed you know cell group model for ministry in the sense that everything that they did whether it's whether it was outreach whether it was discipleship and everything that they did study they did through the cell groups it's not like they did not meet you know as a church because these are big churches they did meet on you know on Sundays they had their times of worship and you know time of time in the world and all that they did meet but a lot of things happened some of the you know fundamental things happened through the cell group to the small groups so that is what we're going to look at let me just share the screen okay so that's what you see so so these are some examples of cell churches okay the first one is the yoido full gospel church in Seoul Korea now you know I think most of us know about this church we've heard so much about it you know one of the largest churches in the world started by Paul young you know David young you show so he started it in 1958 now so he was actually you know ministering he had a big vision and he was you know doing a lot of hard work in terms of meeting people praying for them sharing the gospel and and he was doing this you know all by himself and and a few others helping so he was doing this but he was literally was you know he became so exhausted in ministry tired and and that is when you know he was inspired and God led him to start start what is what we call now a cell groups so this scripture 18 so Exodus 18 and verse 21 you shall select from all the people able men such as fear God men of truth hating cowardice this and place such over them to be rulers of thousands rulers of hundreds rulers of fifties and rulers of tens so so this is something that he started you know initially with the women and then it did spread so so these were small groups and they were meeting regularly for prayer so he was training the leaders and who would again you know who would minister to the people in the cells so rather than him visiting Paul Young Joe himself visiting let's say 10 families or six other families now in the cell group today let's say for example there are six families that are meeting you know like say 12 people or maybe 15 people now instead of him being the pastor meeting each one of these families and you know trying to disciple them trying to build them up he would train one person who will be the cell group leader and that leader would in turn lead others in turn disciple others right in the cell group so so this is what he did and he started and and the cell groups grew the church grew to around you know at that time it was on 750 thousand and definitely today it's it's definitely more than that they have around 65,000 cell groups so just imagine the size of that right 65,000 cell groups so a cell group in which there would be prayer a cell group in which there would be study of God's word there would be fellowship there would be worship there would be outreach you know everything would be happening there in the cell group which will be meeting there right and all the cell groups are connected back to the church that's the most important thing you know it's not a individual in you know a Bible study it's or it's not a group that is meeting to do something else which is apart from what the church is church's vision is right they are in line with the vision of the church because the cell group leader is is again trained and there's an impartation and and leading that's coming from the pastor to the cell group leader and the cell group leader is in turn accountable you know back to the church church's leadership and they continue to minister to the others right so so that even though the church grew to such huge numbers because of the cell model of a ministry you know people still would feel connected to the church right people would feel that they would belong to the church it's no more you know I'm not just a spectator who's coming on a Sunday just coming and visiting and watching something and going back but I'm an integral part of the church because I'm an integral part of the cell group right so this is something that we read about your full gospel church the other church is in the international charismatic mission in in Columbia pastor sees a Caesar castellanos right so similarly groups of 12 like the cell group would have 12 and 12 people and and these cell groups would would be involved in evangelism these cell groups would be involved in discipleship and everything right so so we see that they were quite successful models of discipleship like we saw a lot of good things happen when the church gathers together as a whole as a congregation the Lord you know pose out a spirit and when we worship together the the the manifest presence of God the release of the gives everything that we that we enjoy and receive you know a lot of answers and everything well it it has its purpose and a lot of good things happen but also we see that there are certain things that cannot happen in the sense suppose I have a question and which I need to be answered now I cannot do it in that church service I have to do it you know on my own I may not be able to discuss certain things I may not be able to share certain things I may not be able to you know of course prayer we we know that that can happen right they could be prayer leaders and you could go and get prayed for or pray for others now that could happen but this kind of you know detailed study this kind of training in the gifts all that will happen effectively in a smaller group right so so this is the cell model or the cell group model with these churches seem to have pioneered of course we see in the book of acts and that was what they brought in you know to they have ministry and they said okay this is something that we're going to be serious about this is something that is going to be at the forefront of our ministry it's not like one of the programs of the church but this it is the program or the main thing in the church right we're going to you know encourage people to be part of cell groups because you know cell group is an important part so so this is something as these are some of the other churches that have also you know put in put in place what we call as a G 12 of group of 12 model which is exactly what is followed by the international Christian mission of pastor sees a castle on us castle in us in Columbia right charismatic mission sorry so now we need to understand that while these are very effective models that is the G 12 principle of cell group ministry these are quite effective model now there is no perfect church okay it's not church which is every church is a work in progress every church is a work in progress and so so we we cannot say that you know it is it is perfect now it has its challenges every church has a challenge and the other thing is that sorry that you know people are different you know wherever the church is like even in in our own like in India if you see the church in the city will be different from the church in maybe a village or a rural setting simply because of the kind of people the kind of habits or the kind of you know schedules that they might have you know like in a city like let's say Bangalore where travel is is going to take time you know the distance might be let's say 10 kilometers 15 kilometers but it's going to take a lot of time to reach from point a to point b because of the traffic right so for the church to get together very often as a big congregation it's difficult so these are some of the challenges and of course you know that well people might be people are busy people are you know they have different you know time schedules maybe people are working at nights all these challenges are there and all all these let's say characteristics are there which are different from maybe in a rural setting you know which could be different where you know the weather the pace of life is different well they do have certain other you know challenges and so on but you know so these are these are these are things which are different and also if you take other nations you know sir like you know that in India people work okay let's say five days sometimes six days or you know like six and a half days a week right so that's the kind of schedule people might have and maybe in other certain other countries people could be working maybe it's very strictly nine to five and then you finish on a Friday and Saturday completely free etc so so for that church and for the cell groups in that particular church in that country you know things are a little different so so the thing is you know we cannot say that every like cell church is perfect and it's perfectly executing you know that model of ministry because simply because there are variables there are different things different factors in each of these churches each of these places okay so we need to understand that okay so the question is okay will this cell church concept of the small group ministry will it work in in you know we might have that question okay it might work there but will it work here okay can I you know knowing how the people are in my town in my village in my city can it work right that is the question especially if you're thinking of a city and will people meet will people get together you know people are busy etc right so the thing is that here are some things to some points to think about right will it work okay the answer is yes because regardless of you know whatever culture whatever place we are from we have been wired we have been designed for relationship for fellowship for community now we might you know some of us might be more open for that or we might enjoy it more but then some of us would say okay I do need fellowship but then I want it in small doses right I can't spend more time but then the fact is that each one of us as human beings we are designed to have fellowship with God first and foremost and to have fellowship with other people right second thing is well people are hospitable and people do visit others in homes and you know it it also helps the unsaved people suppose you a person is curious about the faith is you know is not yet has not yet made a commitment to follow it is a safe place right it is a safe place for them to come and explore no suppose you have you know a time for people who are not yet made a decision to come and explore the faith and ask questions about that right about the faith about Jesus so this is would be a safe this would be a safe place a home where they can come visit ask questions maybe they're meeting as friends maybe they're meeting as colleagues but just to find out just to have a discussion about the faith and to ask questions right so these are some some things some reasons why well it would work okay now some reality or some challenges real challenges are these right people work long hours people work long hours sometimes you know 11 hours 12 hours in a city so would would people still be willing right and sometimes you can you know the reasoning is that people work odd hour I mean odd times you know like some I know some some people in my family who work you know from 2 a.m. onwards 2 a.m. till about 1 p.m. it's or sometimes a night shift you know typically call centers BPO's they work on a different shift so will this work you know will sell groups work well the answer is yes it's just that as a church we need to we need to be a little flexible and see how you know maybe have a cell group which has people who are working on shifts right you have a cell group where the cell group leader and everyone is is is working on a night shift maybe and so they would they would meet in a different time they would meet at maybe 3 in the afternoon or 4 in the afternoon where somebody who's on a day shift or a regular 9 to 6 9 to 7 kind of a timing they would not be able to you know actually be part of that life group but a but a person who's working on a in a call center well it's a time that they are free so yeah we can overcome these challenges by by actually having a cell group which will take care of that take care of the timing take care of the long hours etc right and the and the fact is that we would have definitely have the congregation meeting on Sundays you know we're not when a cell group does not mean that only cell group meetings and no you know coming together as a large body so well people yes people do enjoy being part of the Sunday celebration or maybe other meetings so we are not saying that you know those are discontinued we will continue a cell group a cell model church will continue to have that but additionally you know this would be the main thing cell group cell church cell groups would be a lot of emphasis a lot of importance would be given to what happens in cell groups another quest thing that people could say is that okay there would be people have their own ministries maybe people have their own schedules and they don't want to get involved right and they don't want to get involved in maybe ministry they don't want to get involved in church they just want to do the bare minimum well it yes there will be many like that okay or there will be some there will be many like that but they just need to be taught they need to know from God's word that serving in the body of Christ it could be different ways is actually God's plan for the believer this is God's design the local church is God's design to be serving as a member in the body of Christ is God's it's God's plan is God's design so the thing is to to teach people that like over a period of time just to teach the congregation so once they know okay this is something that God wants from my life from me and this is something which is good for me where I can receive from others ministering to me and where I can also grow and use whatever gifts of grace that God has put in my life I can use it to strengthen others to minister to others to serve others right so I need to come to that place of understanding like I remember meeting so many so many people you know over a period of many years who who you know I'm just meeting that person and then I'm saying asking them you know so where do you worship you know are you new to church and then they say no no we been coming for years then I'm like oh really so sorry and I didn't know that you were coming for many years and then they say no it's just that when pastor prayers at last prayer I'm I just get up and go you know I don't stay back I don't fellowship I I don't do any of that I just I just leave immediately so that's why you don't see me I'm also not involved in anything right so there are many who who are like that in in in a church so so they just need to be taught that the importance of the local church and what God can do through them in them when they are connected to the local church right and which also means that being part of a cell group and so on right okay fine so let's look at this the you know what we're just calling it the APC 12 cell model because it's it's something that we're doing in at APC so so it is for it is it is formed around that G12 model it's adapted from that G12 model of it's national charismatic mission of fast to see the castle and us and so it just it's adapted it's not the same thing it's changed a little bit it's it's flexible so just calling it that okay so let's look at the cell group model okay so first of all you know it's not we just need to understand that you know the cell group is not what we call as a you know home home group meeting or even commonly used term you know like a care cell like where it could be like a mini church service you know if you look at a care cell or if you look at you know house prayer meeting it can be like mini church service you know there'll be worship at the beginning it'll be somebody preaching everybody listening and then prayer and so on so this is not that okay so when we say cell groups something different happens we would you know there would be worship there would be prayer and so on but there is a difference so we look at that so this is what we need to understand so one cell group leader is responsible for discipling okay or it could be a couple you know if it's a married couple and they are taking they are going to be leaders so it's a couple and there could be six other couples you know let's say if it's a cell group for married people so it could be a couple taking care of six other couples so so in effect you have about 12 plus to 14 people in the cell groups right or if it's only single people individuals then it's about 12 plus the leader okay now this number 12 you know we've keeping it a little flexible you know it could be less than 12 it could be a little over 12 maybe maximum of 15 but the reason we want to keep it at that is so that the discipling process can be effective okay see what happens is if it's going to be just like another church service then again there is no personal connect by that I mean you know there is no one-to-one interaction there is no personal fellowship because people still feel would feel a little lost people still feel that you know it's their needs are not being you know addressed or they may have questions and maybe they you know they won't have an opportunity because the group is very big so opportunity to have that addressed so so the thing is intentionally it's it's 12 okay the second one is that you're committed to one cell group or you know the group that is led by one cell group leader you know or a couple who are leading so so in the sense that the the the church member is not going from one cell group to another cell group to another cell group you know every time you know every week not attending different service I want to see what's happening there or I want to see what's happening there well you're having the person is free actually but in a but there's recommendation or the suggestion is that okay you be part of one cell group you can be committed to one cell group now this could be the one that is maybe convenient for you to go or maybe maybe you feel that okay this is this is a place where you belong so you go to one cell group you be committed to one cell group and you grow in that cell group you serve in that cell group okay so so from the point of the cell group leader so the cell group leader is connecting with this small group of people okay it 12 and it's with this group of 12 so the several leader is also you know getting to know each of them knows their life knows their testimony and also if they able to minister to them at an individual level if they need if they need help should they have questions should they have challenges the cell group leaders able to minister and also you know take them minister take them to a place of maturity spiritual maturity Christlikeness right so that's so that also happens so so what happens is that over a period of time let's say from this 12 there are three or four people who are who have come to a place of maturity they are they are they're ready they are they're mature they've grown in the understanding they've grown in character and they are they have come to a place of of ministering right they've come to a place of being leaders themselves then the cell group the cell group leader encourages them and also there's another step which is the potential cell group potential cell group leaders from that group like who desire who have the ability and the desire to become cell group leaders they get trained right by the by the pastor they get trained the short training and how to be cell group leaders what to do what not to do etc and they start some groups of their own with 12 other people okay so it's six other couples or 12 other people sometimes it's a mix of married people and single people so which is fine so this is something that happens right so so there's one leader or a one leader couple and you know so these are some features that we need to understand there's one leader or one leader couple who are leading six or six other couples or you know 12 others so that number again is intentionally kept like that so that people can grow so that people can you know have effective fellowship so the numbers kept that way so that it doesn't really become too big so there is no personal time with each other right so it's a small that's why we call it a small group it's intentionally kept that way then the other feature that we see is that they are growing they are maturing they are committed to that one cell group you know there could be reasons why you know they might say okay I'm not able to be part of this life group maybe I've moved to another house which is not in the same area which is another area which is fine you know you find another cell group in the area and you be part of that so here now we see that they're committed to one cell group so week after week or you know once in two weeks they're going to the same cell group they're growing okay so that's when you know there is there is quality fellowship right so they are knowing they're getting to know they are they're growing in the word of God they're growing in their gifts and so on in the use of the gifts and everything happens there they're committed to one cell group so what happens when they grow to maturity well now they go get trained and go start their own cell groups so they could if they want to be part of this cell group or attend the cell group and then have their own if they have the time some people have the time saying okay I'll attend the cell group okay and I'll lead my own cell group so one you know one day I attend this cell group that I'm part of which has another cell group leader but on another day I am leading my cell group for which I'm the cell group leader so so all the cell group leaders and a pointing of leaders and training of leaders it does it happens in a orderly manner right so the cell group leader might suggest to the pastor saying okay he has this person we feel that no he or she has grown and it's good to be a leader so so then you know suggest and then the pastor also observes and talks and says okay why don't we know why don't you get trained and after that it's that the training is not you know it's a long term long drawn thing but just to make sure that the basics are in place the fundamentals are understood and also the vision of the cell church is firm so people don't start something and do something on their own and you know well there is a lot of you know flexibility a lot of creative things but the big vision a big picture is that it is a model for discipleship that's something that that should not change so yeah okay so all that happens right so then the goal of this this cell group model or cell church model it's to make disciples okay so we looked at the Great Commission we saw the logic is a saying therefore go and make disciples we so we learned a few things from there right we said okay it's not just to win believers but to make disciples we know that making disciples is a process because we looked at how the Lord Jesus made disciples like he shows them he was with them he you know they serve together they spend time together etc so it's a process of making disciples we need to understand that right the cell group meeting is one of the ways to facilitate that process okay so a lot of discipling person involvement it takes place between the cell group leader and the members outside of the cell group meeting okay the cell group meeting might happen on a let's say it happens every Friday every Friday night the cell group meets okay so during the cell group meeting also there is a lot of you know things that are happening there's a lot of discussion there's a lot of question answers there's a lot of sharing personal testimonies all that happens and outside of that right when the cell group leader meets people or maybe gives a call and talks to people in the cell group that also is part of the discipling making process right okay so then okay some information about cell groups they could either meet weekly or once in two weeks okay and so what happens if people let's say I have 12 people in my cell group and each of them at various points have grown to be cell group leaders and now started their own cell groups okay so maybe they're not able to attend the cell group meeting which which I'm having but they are now grown to start their own life groups their own cell groups so all the 12 are starting their own life to cell groups they've moved out so now I'm free to take on 12 more I'm free to take on 12 other people to be part of this so that I can continue that same process bring them up to a level where they can start their own cell groups so this whole process continues okay now some might want to attend and have their own cell groups which is fine which is okay but if they don't want to that is also okay okay so there's no false sense of commitment so which means that even during the course of these meetings this vision or this methodology needs to be shared with people in the cell group saying okay hey this is what we'd like to do you know at some point in time when you're ready you can start your own cell groups it's not necessary that you need to be part of it when you when you start your own cell group well if you're welcome to but it's not necessary but this is what we'd like to do over a period of time everybody grows up to start their own cell group so so you see you know let's say there are 12 people and each start their groups of 12 you see how many people are being disciple okay I think that's what we see in this you know you let's say you have one with 12 and each of the 12 if they have their own groups of 12 you see how the how effectively you're able to disciple others well as a single person you know this yellow dot that you see here as a as a person maybe able to do 12 or maximum you know 15 but then if the other 12 are able to do the same thing to others then you see 12 into 12 144 you know is a number or the number of people who are actually being disciple right so actively intentionally being discipled to follow Christ and the same path of from being disciples to leaders disciple minister to leader right so then it becomes it results in a strong church a church that is you know based on the word the church that is committed a church that is where the everyone is accountable right where the challenges that they face you know there are there are people to pray for them they are able to you know whatever their challenges are they have been they're able to help them whatever the needs are they're able to help so all this happens when we have this kind of a model if it's working well you need to make sure that it's working well so that's the thing okay here are some differences between cell between that cell group model and a care cell okay so in the cell group model that goal is discipleship so that's the first thing it goal is disciple making okay whereas in a care cell it could be evangelism it could also be fellowship right so it could be like people are saying okay hey there is this meeting that is happening why don't you come so you know you could be inviting colleagues from office you could be inviting other family members and saying okay there is this meeting in this people's home in this person's house would you like to come would you like to attend so it can be you know it will be a way to share the gospel right so primarily that's the that's the thing which is happening that's the emphasis every time people gather together there is a the gospel being shared and you know that happens and secondly it's also a time of fellowship you know people are meeting catching up talking to one another and all it's all good things right but you see the difference right in the cell group model the cell leader's responsibility is to disciple the cell members develop them as leaders and equip them to make to become disciple makers so that's the focus right so how can I disciple them effectively how can I grow these people effectively now that will be the that is what is going on in the cell leader's mind okay so the cell leader does things in order to in order to equip the others he does things to minister to them of course there is also you know taking care of needs and solving with problems and etc praying interceding etc but the thing is always the big picture is always how can I equip you to be a leader you know so so that you can grow in order to disciple others right so how can you follow the lord effectively so that you can come to a place of leading others effectively to follow the lord right so that's the difference so here if it's a care cell the the leader's responsibility is to conduct the meeting you know the cell meeting making sure they might have different speakers like they might have some you know they might invite different people to speak in the cell a care cell meeting and others come to listen so that you know the cell leader is responsible either for sharing himself or herself or sharing the word or making arrangements so that others will share okay so it is not again you know I just want to emphasize that these are good things that are happening you know it is a good thing but that is it is not you know the vision of the cell church so that we need to know the difference right okay so here in a cell church each person is committed to one cell group when we say cell leader we are effectively saying that they're part of that cell group they're committed to that cell group okay whereas in a care cell you can visit any care cell so it's just that on a venice day or on a friday you visit a care cell you be part of it right well here each cell grows up to 12 each person starts their own cell while continuing to remain part of the original cell if they want to right but here when the numbers increase they become two groups let's say the group becomes you know 20 or 30 then they start you know they start becoming two groups and you know the group divides itself to accommodate more and more people here every person eventually will become a cell group leader and lead others and disciple 12 others whereas here in a care cell well the person can attend for various reasons you know I want to maybe have this time of fellowship I want to be there with other believers during the week and not really think about equipping oneself to become a leader okay so one need not necessarily become a leader when it comes to a care cell so that's you know that's the basic difference some of the main differences that we see for the apc-12 cell group model of cell church and then when you compare it with the care cell model right okay so why why 12 people well we we see in scripture certain examples of 12 disciples 12 tribes etc you know the way God governs we see you know several scriptures but you know it is you're not going you know too deep into that but when we see look at 12 well there is scriptural evidence and also practically it's it's a workable thing right so it's a workable thing in the sense that you're able to meet you're able to it's a manageable workable number of people right which one individual can take care of okay so so that's why it is 12 okay so we'll take a break and then probably you might have some questions we'll take take some time to answer questions and then we'll look at what happens in a cell group meeting okay okay so we'll we'll take a break right


Hi, I'm Brooke Lesowski with CalTV Sports, reporting from UC Berkeley's Memorial Stadium. Today, I will sit down with rugby player Robert Paylor as he reflects on his inspirational story that all started on a day in his athletic career that would change his life drastically.  It wasn't until high school when he found his true passion for rugby, which ultimately landed him at UC Berkeley, playing for a top tier program. Just a few weeks ago, the team won its 33rd national championship title since the National Collegiate Championships for Rugby began in 1980. Yeah, just coming in here, putting in the work every day, it's a very high performance environment and the best player is going to play, so it's very competitive. A year and a half ago, the young sophomore kitted up and entered his first national championship game, knowing this game he would remember forever. However, the reasons for it being remembered turned out not to be what he anticipated. So to kind of just get right into it, May 6th, 2017, it was a big, big day to say the least. Yeah. It was a championship game. Could you kind of take me through what you remember from that day?  And I was one of the bigger guys, so I needed to be able to drive this thing in. And as I'm pushing, I get a couple of guys in from the side, which you're not supposed to do, and an opposing player wrapped me around the head in a headlock pinning my chin to my chest. And when I hit the ground, my face pressed to my chest, ruptured the disc in between my C-56 and I was completely paralyzed from the neck down. I couldn't move anything. I couldn't feel anything. It was terrifying. And after we did some imaging, the doctor said, Robert, you're probably never going to walk again. You're probably never going to move your hands. So what was going on through your mind when you were being told all these? It's pretty hard to explain that terror, you know, you feel in your bones when you're going through something like this.  You know, I was playing rugby, hit the ground, closed my eyes, and when I opened them, it was like a completely different life. But in a situation like that, it's kind of a survival mode. It's like, what do I got to do next that's going to get me better? That was just kind of the mindset is what's the next most important thing for me to do right now? So it sounds like you do have a really positive outlook on the next step and just progressing like that. That's awesome. A month after suffering a severe spinal cord injury and surviving surgery, pneumonia, and various processes trying to get him to eat on his own again, the determined Cal rugby player was admitted into Craig Hospital in Denver, Colorado, where he would do extensive amounts of rehabilitation in hopes to get himself back on his feet. So I can't even imagine being in the position that you are in. But just how is it that you are so hopeful once you are being told all this news about your paralysis and then possibly not even being able to walk again? Like, like, what is it that got you through that undoubtedly hard time in your life? I called my religious advisor just asking for some advice, asking for some prayers, and he said, Robert, what happened to you is bad, really bad. And there's a lot of things that you're not going to be able to control.   So day one, that was what was going through my head is I need to control my mindset. And, you know, it's that I was probably not going to walk again. But I said, there's a chance my chances are bad. They're probably 3% or less. But I got it, you know, and they just said the more work you put in, the better your outcomes are going to be. And once I started putting in the work and I could just wiggle a toe or wiggle a finger or eventually pick up a cup and walk and stand. There's no turning back now. I've put in so much and I've gotten so much out of this. And I continue to get so much that there's just no option but to continue to go. After 11 months of extremely taxing work, Robert Paylor defies all odds and walked out of Craig Hospital. This past August, just over a year after the incident, Robert, with the help of family, friends and teammates, moved back to Berkeley. Today, he joins his fellow classmates in completing the rest of his undergraduate degree. So this semester, not only did you return back to UC Berkeley being a student going back to school full time, but you are also in a top 10 business program, Pod's Business School. Could you tell me a little bit about your transition into this academic life? Very rigorous academic life after being away from school for so long. Yeah, just thrilled, totally thrilled. I was not in the business school before I had my injury. So this is something that was totally new to me, something I was very excited to walk into. And yeah, it's just it's what I want to study. It's what I want to do. And it's what I want to continue to work on postgraduate, post-graduating. And yeah, I'm just loving it. You know, very prestigious school. It's just an honor to be able to talk to people and say, yeah, I'm in the high school of business and just knowing what comes with that. Total honor. Does kind of have a title to it, doesn't it? It's got to ring to it. Yeah. Unlike the rest of his classmates, when Robert leaves the classroom, it's not time for a break. Rather, it's time to get back to work as he continues doing his rehabilitation using Cal's facilities. So I understand and have even witnessed you working out here in the high performance center. How often do you do that and how has your rehab been like since you've been back in Berkeley? It's been steady and amazing, the progress that's been happening. You know, at first we were kind of a little worried that coming back to Berkeley not being in a therapy environment that my progress would kind of slow down, but quite the opposite. I've been working out three to four days a week with our associate head coach and our strength and conditioning coach. A lot of measurable goals that were hitting just this last Saturday. I walked 800 yards straight all on my own. Yeah, yeah, up on my feet, standing with Walker. Yeah, but yeah, my power. And yeah, I mean, when I got here, I think I could get about 200 yards at the beginning of the semester. So just after a couple of months, I'm multiply that by four. That's about a half mile now that I'm going. So earlier this football season, half time of the Oregon game, you were recognized in front of the entire stands for not only what you have been through in your inspirational story, but also your perseverance to walk again.  Could you take me back to that moment and what you were feeling at this time? Yeah, you know, I do a lot of walking. I walk almost every single day, but this was different.  All eyeballs on me and just an amazing moment. Had a little bit of nerves. You know, I don't want to screw that up, but it all ended up working perfectly. Probably one of the most memorable moments in Memorial Stadium. There's that. That's amazing. So I know you're a religious man, as I am myself. So I'm curious as to why you think God may have put this in your life and what lessons may you have learned or gained from this experience? Yeah, so something I kind of struggled with first is being religious and knowing that God is all powerful. How is this a part of my plan? Right. So all that bad stuff that's happened, that's not God. All the good stuff that happened, the love shown to me through all these people, the progress I've been making, just my ability to stay positive and have a good mindset surrounded by just so many amazing people. That's God. That's God working in my life. Well, thank you for joining me here today, Robert. Yeah, of course.  Yeah. All right. One, two, three. Go Bears! It truly is a miracle to see Robert Paylor not only walking, but to witness in person the amount of faith and positive outlook he has on life. Robert Paylor truly does have a heart of gold and brain-like Berkeley. Thanks for watching, and once again, I am Brooke Lasowski with CalTV Sports. Have a great Thanksgiving and Go Bears.


Court ordered Trump to pay $454 million to file a appeal he decided to negotiate. The New York Appeals Court has ordered Donald Trump to pay $454.2 million if he intends to file a counter-appeal in a civil lawsuit for financial fraud. However, his lawyers have stated that Trump has decided to negotiate and has offered only $100 million according to CNN. According to Trump's lawyers, he wants to appeal the decision made by New York Judge Arthur N. Goron on February 16, which, among other things, prohibits the former president from holding executive positions in any New York state company or taking out loans from banks registered in his state for three years. However, to file an appeal, a bond in the full amount awarded by the court must be posted within a month. Otherwise, the New York State Attorney General's office has the right to collect these funds at any time. In the lawsuit filed by New York Attorney General Letitia James, which led to Judge N. Goron's decision, Trump and his family business were accused of inflating his net worth by $3.6 billion annually for 10 years to deceive banks and obtain better loan terms. The judge did not revoke Trump's business licenses which, according to some experts, could have effectively ended his business empire. However, he imposed a fine of $354.9 million on Trump and, last week, this amount including a crude interest reached $454.2 million. Trump's lawyers stated that a $100 million bond, as well as ongoing oversight of the Trump organization by a court-appointed observer, would be more than sufficient to secure the court's decision. Donald Trump faces over 90 criminal charges in several cases, including the payment of $130,000 to pawn actress Stormy Daniels, an attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, unlawful disclosure of classified information after leaving office and more. On February 16, 2024, a New York court ordered Donald Trump to pay over $350 million. He was found guilty of deliberate financial fraud over 10 years. The judge also prohibited Trump from holding executive positions or direct to ships in any New York corporation for three years. Additionally, Trump may face civil liability for the actions of participants in the January 6, 2021 capital riot. Russia developed a new weapon to shoot down U.S. and European missiles. The Russian military conducted tests of the S-500 Prometheus air defense system, which they claim is capable of shooting down hypersonic targets, reports Defense Express. Supposedly, during these tests, the S-500 system demonstrated the ability to shoot down hypersonic aerial targets. As an example, they cite prospective Western hypersonic missiles, combat units of intercontinental ballistic missiles or guided warheads, as well as short-range ballistic missiles. Russia claims that such capabilities of the S-500 were supposedly confirmed during the launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile from the Tula nuclear-powered submarine of the Russian Northern Fleet, which was launched in the Laptev Sea. Russian authorities attribute the successful destruction of targets to powerful radars, electronic computing systems, and highly maneuverable anti-aircraft missiles. Among publicly available information, it is noted that the Russian anti-aircraft missile system is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems, which are expected to apply the principle of separate resolution of tasks for the destruction of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. As early as 2021, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov claimed that the S-500 system was allegedly in serial production. There are also plans to develop a naval version of the promising S-500 anti-aircraft missile system, including for installation on the Storm aircraft carrier project. Previously, a representative of the Defense Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Major General Vadim Skibitsky, stated that during the war, Russia transferred air defense systems from the Far East and the Northern region to Moscow and the occupied Crimea. However, the power of defense does not always correspond to the aggressor's statements. The representative of the military intelligence reported that the most powerful complex they have in service is the S-400, but even it is not entirely perfect. There are cases when their equipment fails. The well-known Panzea also misses our aircraft, which ultimately reach their targets, he added. Russians constructed 30 kilometer defense line with 2,000 railway cars. The Russians built a 30 kilometer line of defense from more than 2,000 railway cars. This was reported by Deep State Analytical Community. The continuous construction stretches along the branch line from the railway station in Olenivka to Volnovaka and has about 2,100 wagons of various types. It is reported that the construction of this massive defensive line began in July 2023. For its construction, apparently, rolling stock was used stolen from the temporarily occupied territories. Such a defensive structure, which in fact represents a solid wall, is a very serious obstacle in the way of advancing troops. Given that some sections of the railway track are built with a high roadbed, such a defensive line is a full-fledged defensive shaft. It is possible to overcome it only after large-scale engineering works, disengagement of wagons, removal from tracks, or movement to another place. However, these engineering works will be accompanied by the counteraction of the Russians. In addition to problems for Ukrainian troops, such a line of defense also creates problems for the Russians themselves. Logistics for advanced positions can be difficult due to an obstacle. In addition, such a barrier creates an obstacle to maneuver. This is a very specific engineering structure, the effectiveness of which is difficult to assess. The idea is clear, an obstacle to the advancement of the defense forces. It can be considered as a separate line of defense because it is extremely difficult to damage, move or blow up a 30 kilometer mass of metal, and the movement of equipment through such a blockage without breaking through the corridor is impossible, writes the Deep State team. This is not the first time the Russians have built huge engineering barriers as part of a full-scale Russian-Ukrainian war. In April 2023, it became known that the Russians built a solid 70 kilometer anti-tank ditch in Zaporizia, which stretched from the village of Semenivka to the village of Marinovka.


I don't want to be my tendency especially on these new boots and they're super narrow the tendency is all your weight Comes to the outside of your foot so as soon as you're going to stall. I'm already falling away I've already lost it before I even tried So focus on good foundation then I'm trying to get it in that pocket and I'm basically curling my toes up to the sky I'm almost curling my toes towards my shin and I might get a pocket between my toes and my shin and And the ball just sitting in here But I have to have that hard flex in the beginning is probably gonna be awkward for you to flex your foot that hard So I would just recommend If you're super beginner just start like this even with your foot on the ground your heel on the ground Put it in that pocket there Just with your hand and just stay there and just flex just try to keep it there as long as you can Okay, then when you get comfortable you can come off the ground like this and then next step is actually Moving the ball and stalling you get started with a bounce and a stall And I would definitely recommend Going with both feet. This is actually a really good Skill or a really good drill to improve the strength in your weaker foot Just doing a basic foot stall with your weak foot a lot of people would really struggle with this on their weaker side but If you're a progressive soccer player, no weak feet you always use both Next I would go into an ankle stall.  So again, maybe start with a bounce. Maybe maybe just start like this And it's a little tricky depending on the angle But it's all the timing with this one. You're trying to clap clap your knees together at the right time From both sides. So it's a little bit timing and kind of and watch how I'm kind of like Watching the bowl as it comes here Almost I'm almost like getting out of the way here And as it lands just clapping bringing my knees together not too hard if you're too hard Let's see If you're too hard, it's it's gonna pop out. Okay, so it's like a subtle it's like a soft A soft absorption several different ways as you'll see in this video Next I'm doing a head stall. Okay, so a head stall and it's tough again with all these start With the ball in your hand super beginner and just place it there But most players will struggle with this Let me do a bit Most players will struggle with this because they don't actually face vertical enough Even when they're doing like basic headers If you're struggling with this skill You're probably going forward too much or backwards too much. You have to find that proper Angle of the neck so you're straight up to the sky And then it's all about the little adjustments as the ball moves both not gonna stay perfectly still So I have to adjust my head Give you a better example and that I have to adjust my head and move with it in the rotate or the The court control to stay under the ball As the ball moves Okay, so as it moves I'll move with it after a certain point You're pretty good at keeping it still. I feel the ball. I feel it running away So I try to move with it and stay underneath it But again, just start with the hands and then over time and you can that's tough And I don't want you to think that when I'm doing these in the video. I'm nailing it every single time I'm making mistakes all the time You're gonna make mistakes in the beginning biggest thing with Any skill whether it's freestyle tricks or shooting technique Any new skill that you're trying you're going to make mistakes. Don't expect yourself to be good when you just started Mistakes are part of it. Just don't allow yourself to get frustrated if you can control Anger and frustration you will improve much faster So many kids will try a few times with young players Any age get frustrated right away give up never improve go on to something they're good at Rather than trying to get better at things that they're not good at You want to struggle. Challenge is good. Challenge is what makes you better So just compose yourself. No frustration. No anger. Just analyze if I'm always screwing up Just don't screw up in the same way Okay, so if I'm always doing let's say for example this head stall if I'm always doing this and the ball always falls forward I'm gonna say I'm not gonna allow it to fall forward at anything. I'm gonna make it Fall backwards Do different mistakes don't allow yourself to do the same mistake again and again analyze the failure analyze the technique Try to improve it and you'll improve faster But just keep calm keep playing. Have fun with the ball. It's all good So we actually missed one there skip one Which was this next call so I'm cuffing it Between my shoulder blades now like super beginner would be I would say like a really flex the arms and especially Like if you're a young player or you don't have any muscle definition in your back You're really gonna have to overemphasize the squeeze of the shoulder blades because I'm making a pocket in here And in here I'm making a pocket so if I don't have a Muscle definition in my back It's gonna be a bit tougher and I really have to overemphasize that for me. I can I'm pretty casual with it. I can I don't have to flex too much But if I really want to keep it up there, I should do a little more of a flex there But I'm keeping it in that pocket there Back of the neck flexing flexing the head back a bit The head's not straight like this. It's flex back shoulder blades or back like that I added a few basic juggling Tricks the other ones are more stalls these are tricks while juggling And the first one was like a heel touch. Okay, so I'm just hitting the ball With the heel on top of that most players will struggle with this because It's the flex of the foot in the timing and they're not actually hitting here I'm basically hitting on like the hard part of my boot Like this part the very back of the boot not the not the inside Not the definitely not the studs And a very advanced skill is like where they cradle it right in here But if you're here, I'm popping it off the edge and honestly What you really want to become good at is The set of the skill. So what I mean by that is when it's time to do the trick If this touch right here isn't good isn't where you want to go Then you're always going to struggle because you're going to have to adjust your body positioning So really focus when you're about to do that skill really focus on this touch The touch before the skill put it exactly where you want just with a little more focus A little more of a delicate touch Okay, but I'm just hitting there reaching around hitting with that sole Next I did a jester I don't know what you call it. We always call it a jester, but like a court jester For some reason and then my set's no good Okay, so it's like here I'm popping the ball I'm going around it and I'm kidding. I'm going around it boom Hitting with the foot that I actually set it with with this one And I'm jumping in the air try with both feet always truck both feet especially from the beginning Don't wait for 10 years of doing 10 years of playing soccer playing football then decide to improve your weak foot do it from the beginning I've never had I've never had bad feet because never had a weak foot Maybe my left wasn't as good as my right for a while now they're both the same my weaker foot might even be better than my Strong foot in many ways because I always do skills drills with both feet last year. We did it was around the world And I'll do a full tutorial on this one because I know everyone Always asked about this skill Okay, but I'm just putting my foot around the ball. I'm kicking it I'm putting my foot around the ball Keeping it up getting back to it Before the ball hits the ground Left foot better and I didn't do that way for this one, but So the reason most players struggle with this one is because You have to understand it's it's two motions in one A lot of players when they start out They're kicking the ball up just like a juggling test. They're kicking it up and then I'm kicking it and then I'm trying to put my foot around. It's never gonna happen You have to do it in one motion. So I'm actually The touch is more like this. It's not a normal juggle touch It's like a freestyle juggle They would call it like freestyle jugglers Freestyle jugglers usually juggle something like this with no spin So they can perform tricks better when you have spin on the ball It's tougher to do a lot of skills But when you're doing that around the world touch use that freestyle juggler Touch at the same time. So you're not kicking it and then going It's at the same time picking up and I'm already starting my circle in that motion Same time Okay, so it's a touch and a circle at the same time And then I just get back to it before the ball hits the ground Those are some beginner freestyle juggling tricks member tricks Are cool at the end of the day. It's about winning games scoring goals Making titles defending keeping possession


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Welcome back everyone, live coverage here at theCUBE in Las Vegas for VMware Explore 2023, our 13th year theCUBE coverage of VMware's conference, formerly VMworld, I didn't say it at all today, Rob. Rob Stretches, my co-host, I'm John Furrier, our next guest, Brad Parks, CUBE alumni, good friend theCUBE, also the chief product office of Morpheus data, great solution, the timing of what we've talked about before in theCUBE is now prime time, the inflection point of the hockey stick of multi-cloud, as multiple environments come together in cloud-native, perfect tailwind for you and your business. Congratulations, great to see you. Yeah, nice to see you, timing is everything. Is there like a swear jar for like, every time you say VMworld, you have to add a thing or not? I did it twice yesterday. Muscle memory, yeah. It will always be a VMworld to us, right? Yeah, we do so many interviews on theCUBE, but on the intro, it's like, okay, we're live here at VMworld, oh, damn, I find that. Anyway, love the colors here, I got to say, VMware Explore's colors are popping, great on the photos here with the artwork. We got the blue shirt memo. Great, great stuff. Well, let's get into Morpheus. So a lot of action. Obviously, multi-cloud's been percolating and sauteing around as an industry direction. Everyone's got multiple things. They're not always working together at all. And as customers realize that the clouds have their agenda and everyone vendors have their agenda, that they have to kind of lean in a little bit. And that's something that we've observed and all the insight is now seeing it, but now everyone's trying to realize that, you know, to make stuff run, it's hard. Okay, but there's now new things coming to the table. This is something that you're involved in. Give us the update on Morpheus data, where you guys are obviously on the floor, we put your booth. What's going on with you guys? What's the current state of Morpheus? Yeah, we've grown probably 40, 50% year-over-year over the last several years. And I think one of the best things for our business has been the ever-increasing complexity of IT. We're still trying to solve the same problem 25, 35 years later. But now, like IT was supposed to get simpler, you got VMware, new TNX, Microsoft, you got Terraform, you got Ansible, you got OpenShift or Rancher. Like there's a poor platform operations, platform engineering person in the middle of the enterprise who's trying to string all that together. And that's where we fit. And I think why we've had the success is, like a joke sometimes our engineering co-founders, a people pleaser, and just wants everyone to get along because there's a need for an abstraction and an integration point to take all those technologies and just help the customer move faster with less inefficiency. It's actually that people pleases a good angle because that's actually the operational model. They got to work together. And it's hard. What's the big problem that you're solving? Because again, there are a lot of blockers that are mostly either some sort of industry or some sort of infrastructure or product. Are there blockers that you guys are taking away or what has to happen next for the kind of the hockey stick inflection point for multi-environment environments to work and run? Yeah, for sure. I haven't changed my stick in a few years, but I think what's led to a lot of that growth is now enterprises are realizing that. All right, I've done cloud-enabled technologies in my HCI and my integrated converged infrastructure. The real problem as IT, I need to enable the business. I need my developers, my product teams to move faster. I don't want IT to be a bottleneck. So enabling developer self-service is the core of our DNA. So we integrate all those technologies I mentioned so that IT can deliver a unified API, a service portal, a Terraform provider. So Dev gets what they want on demand while IT, finance and security get to secretly put guardrails around everything and then everyone gets along. Yeah, I think what's interesting is, and I love the multi-cloud-ness of this explorer. I almost said it. Now that it's in my head, but when I look at multi-cloud, I now have asked some of the people from VMware about this is that when they mean multi-cloud, they mean AVS, VMC and things of that age. VMware on X. Yeah, which is fair, very fair. And I think it's a good control plane from their perspective of ESX and vSphere being everywhere. But one of the things that I think is interesting is, and one of the hard parts is networking and bringing it all together and all the different pieces that go, hey, I have ALB and ELBs in addition to having a VM running SQL or something of that that I brought up into VMC for that matter. Is that what you're seeing is that customers are really looking for you to have, their apps are spanning not just or not contained only in VMC. They're also using the AWS components as well. Absolutely, and I mean, and where our wheelhouse is that Fortune 2000, big, messy, heterogeneous enterprise and even kind of not just individual apps. I like talking to people who have forest problems. I often use the analogy like leaves, trees and forests, right? There'll be a product team who has an affinity for VMware. They love it. That's where that workload needs to run. That same company will do an acquisition and that's a Google company or there's a product group that's big fans of AWS but when it comes to that provisioning experience, the governance, cost management, that's a forest problem. You shouldn't be doing that differently across every environment. So let those teams use the tools they want but don't reinvent the wheel or try and skill everybody up on everything. There's a need for that abstraction layer and that's really, I think what has led to that is that's how we reduce complexity. And the consequence of not doing what your model is, keeping the old way is slow, takes people's time but you got to chase after everything. Someone has to like make sure rules of engagement or things are in line, you're constantly chasing. You've got to chase it and then skills gaps. We were all joking, we all have kids in college. I'm just going to tell my daughter like go be an automation engineer who knows VMware and AWS and you'll print money because there just aren't enough smart people who get that platform engineering automation. And so being an abstraction, okay, do one API, one control point and we'll handle all the interdependencies. Brad, I want to ask you something. We've been riffing on the cube on this topic and I think you're perfect to kind of contribute to it. We were saying the following, developers open source, you see KubeCon, CNCF, we love the momentum in cloud native. Developers pretty much have become the de facto body with their choice. You see selections of code, someone says, hey, I got a better product. Well, if they don't adopt it, then the world is voted. The collective intelligence of developers weighed in and people figure it out, okay, it's a better product based on my crowd and not just friends. So check, love that. Now the platform engineering world is booming. Rob and I have been observing and talking about since KubeCon of publicly, like this group is kind of the SRE got rid of that SRE word, okay, that's Google, site reliant, what does that mean? But platform engineers kind of become that job, hardcore engineer, infrastructure, play together. I got a lot of stuff, abstractions coming. They seem to be the folks that are going to be looking at this hard. And our thesis is that this group of people will be the de facto standards bodies. What they like will probably decide who gets to be in that role managing that abstraction because it's so important. What's your reaction to that? Do you have a comment? Is that true? Are we just overthinking it? What's your vision? I mean, if developers can make sure it's at the coding level, there might be an opportunity with open source and open conversations to, what's your take? I mean, that's actually how we came to be. We were created by a team of 25 of the top 1% developers on the planet who had one IT guy to go modernize applications and dozens of companies. They were doing platform engineering and platform operations before it was cool. We productized that and became a company. That role, if I fast forward seven years, now there's a head of platform whose job it is to enable those development teams. But there aren't enough talented people to hand carve CICD pipelines and build that. So that platform layer you're spot on, that's the new IT, right? I mean, we love our storage guys, the inware people, but solving that platform problem. Cloud is IT. Cloud and platform. Yes, yes. Rob, this is what I was saying. CoopCon, what's your take on it? Yeah, I think that's exactly the right way to think about it is that platform engineering has subsumed a lot of those other roles. And I think you kind of mentioned this a little bit earlier, but it really is an ecosystem. I mean, you guys have a lot of partners.  I did just spend our office. Yeah, I was going to say, I've even been one of those when I was at Zerto. We did integration with you guys or you actually did integration with us. And so you do it with a lot of different pieces around there. How does that go over from your ecosystem and then what are you seeing from like the VMware ecosystem as you're here? Yeah, I think one of the big pieces, we talked about IT being complex and platform being the center of all these, trying to grab all these vines. And so whether it's us plus VMware or us plus Terraform or Ansible or ServiceNow, our job is to help be that self leveling cement for that platform team bring everybody into the party so you can automate the handoffs and just eliminate the technical debt, which means you have to have an ecosystem. So we actually spent the last year and a half building a plugin framework that lets people play together. And now we've got Oracle, we've got NutanaX, we've got Cohesity, we've got people doing their own Morpheus plugins. And it's truly what separates a tool from a platform. So we have a platform. You have to have a successful ecosystem. Oh, absolutely. To be a platform without ecosystem is not a platform. For sure. Okay, so let's take it one step further. How do you guys, because any part of Ansible automation, that's awesome. What's the risk for platforms when you see moves like AshiCorp with their license change in the middle of the game, which I think is disingenuous in nature, in my opinion, making a rule change in ports. Okay, fourth inning, we're going to play Polo. Wait, what, wait, wrong game. Like what are you talking about? So, I mean, they did it weird. I didn't like how they did that just for the record. But people do change licenses. Are you impacted by that? Yeah, we can take that concept of abstraction technically and also apply that to your vendor relationships or anything else, I think. And technically. Did you guys have a relationship with Terraform? Yeah, we actually have a lot of companies who use us as their front end for some Terraform because you need to spin up a VPC or a network or something else, but you also need to run an Ansible playbook and push a CI record into service now. So we fill those gaps. And so for Terraform specifically, we can tie into the provider. We weren't impacted. Oh, you were not impacted on the license. Yeah, we don't manage it. We don't embed it. We don't require it. We just make it better. And we do all the things that it doesn't do by tying the pieces together.  So you're still using the free version of Terraform. We don't use it. Customer, let's pick an example. Customer installs it. They're running it. You go into your Morpheus settings. You're like, yep, there's where I'm at. Here's my Git repo. You need us to automate running that and then spinning up a VM and doing the lifecycle management of that application. That's where we come in. So you're not impacted. You're not even working when the customers are. You're cool. We love it. We have our own provider. There's a rich provider ecosystem. The IP in that is the providers. I mean, the core, it's not that many lines of code. I mean, it's great. It's fantastic. The provider ecosystem is where a lot of the work and the value is. So we want to use it. And now that VMware has got this chapter closing with the original, I call the original VMware. I mean, Historic Company, I call them the Mount Rushmore of tech industries. Virtualization impact is going to well document. Jensen on stage, really. Hat tip to, you know, the little gesture, kind of a hat tip to Ragu's was a personal kind of a nice vibe. But now you have the Broadcom era coming in, which we're expecting. We announced yesterday in the queue, we think it's going to be a $5 billion cut coming and they're going to it's Dave three and give two back to the ecosystem. So nice math there in favor of Broadcom, but that's their, they're shrewd their business. They're very clear. They're not, look at Broadcom has been very clear about what they're going to do. Some people chose not to listen to it, but they've done everything they said they're going to do. Even in numbers, Dave Vellante tracks us down. I love his analysis of Dave. Dave nailed this from day one, but Broadcom hasn't changed anything. He said, we're going to buy VMware. We're going to just make it efficient. Get the numbers in line with how we do business, which means they have to perform. I think you'll see them amp up their business units and they're going to go all in. How does that impact the ecosystem and you specifically, do you have a vision on that? Yeah. We've all seen Jerry McGuire right? Great movie. Like our little company had a very big day. Like was one is like when, when Broadcom made that announcement, it was a very big day for us. Like we love VM. I have nearly a million VMs under management. We've won best of VMworld at this show twice. We have deep, deep integration with VMware. But the amount of CIOs, heads of procurement who've come to us today. I remember we talked to you a year ago. Are you remind me, you can help us blueprint and provision into VMware today and you love it. Might be KVM tomorrow and might be cloud native AWS the next day. Like is that, is that what you do? Like that's what we do. So I think it is an ecosystem play. All the boats are going to rise. Broadcom is going to continue to be a powerful force in the industry, but then again, it just shines a light on the need for an abstraction layer and something that can pull the pieces together. That's a good, I want to ask that on customer question. You don't mind because this comes up a lot in our conversation on our analyst review around relevance. VMware was the most relevant brand for many, many years. And, you know, when you look at the cloud spend, we have data that shows that in some cases in the big accounts, you know, Amazon is getting $100 for every dollar VMware, I guess. Which means that's an extreme example. Those are numbers we heard from the joint customers. In some cases it might be different. But what it means is the attention and the enthusiasm is not on VMware. That's on cloud. That's what the spend is. But VMware's got to get back on the game. They are still relevant, but they're at the risk of mind share relevance. What can they do with their partners to bring that back? I think, I mean, one of the things VMware did fantastic for many years was develop and maintain the ecosystem, right? You'd go to a VMAG or you'd go to hands on labs and it was all about everybody working together. I mean, I really, truly love VMware. A lot of our friends are there. If Broadcom doesn't keep the ecosystem going, I think they're gonna have a challenge because, yeah, like we started, IT's complex. We all have to play together and we can all solve customer problems if we do that right. Yeah, I think, again, they have to undo. And I think VMware has started to do some of it, undo what happened during the EMC and Dell years where it became a more insular closed system. I mean, we were briefly talking about how I even had examples where I was building hands on labs. We built a hands on lab and then we were told, oh, we're not having partners in the hands on lab. And this year, I mean, right now, they literally have five partners and it's just the hyperscalers. So I think, again, I look at the same way that if Broadcom doesn't really embrace the ecosystem, it's going to be tough. I mean, I've said on theCUBE publicly here on this show and before, and Dave and I were riffing when he asked me about what I think Broadcom's going to do. If they're motivated by numbers, which they are, and I think they're going to be true to the brand. They're going to give people some chance to run. I don't think it's going to be as bad as people think. There'll be some cuts, trim the fat, whatever you want to call it in business. But when you look at the numbers, they have to get results. Results are licensed renewals. So when you look at licensed, so you got to look at how many licensed are out there. They got vSphere, they got the core products. But if they have shelfware out there, not installed, you can't charge a license for something that's not installed. And the customer could say, you know what, we're not going to renew that anymore. It's like a domain name when I don't, I don't use it anymore. I'm not going to renew that. I've parked that for a while. You know how to let that go. They got to get their stuff in. I would be focused 100% of my energy on getting my partners engaged in more stuff.  And then the pricing strategy comes in, but initially more surface area of pricing options, the more renewals you get. I think one of the things we hear from a lot of customers is, yeah, there's so much stuff in my ELA, right? And I pay for it and I got my value, but I don't use it all.  They said, well, free isn't free just because it's in your ELA. If it takes an army of services people and a bunch of work and you're not really using it, is it a thing? It's Schrodinger's license model. I guess it doesn't exist. So for us, we want to help pull the pieces together, get sticky, provide value to customers so that they can get back to the business of innovation and getting those developers doing what they do. Brad Parks, Chief President of Morpheus Data here in theCUBE, great to have you on. Thanks for taking the time to riff with us and share the story. For the last minute that we have, give a plug for the company. What are you working on? Are you hiring? What's the pitch? Give a plug for Morpheus for the folks watching. Yeah, so again, we're that platform and kind of three lanes I see evolving for us. We work with all the infrastructure providers, right? The Delves and the Lenovo's and the HPEs and we help make their stuff better. We work with the services companies, the Accentures, the Deloids, the others, and then we work with the adjacent software companies. So keep an eye on kind of the middle of all those paths coming together. All right, Brad Parks here in theCUBE, always bringing the A game. Of course, day two of three days of wall-to-wall coverage. Lot more, we got two sets. Dave Vellante's on the other set. I'm here with Rob Strecham, John Furrier. Stay with us for more after this short break.