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Anyhow, I was hanging around the shooting gallery in one of those Broadway penny arcades that night, one of those places where you can play a game of chess, get your fortune told, have 10 shots at Hitler, all 15 cents. And I was alone as usual, thinking the dull, drab, dreary things a guy thinks about when he's alone. And suddenly an old man standing next to me said, Ah, well, my aim is not what it used to be. Oh, uh, got a match, my boy? Match? Oh, sure, here. Oh, thank you. You haven't by any chance got a cigarette to go with that match, have you, son? Of course, here, take one. Thanks again. You know, with cigarettes so scarce nowadays, the only way a gentleman gets a smoke is to buy him himself. Yep. Thank you, thank you. Ah, it's madder, kid.  Oh, nothing. Oh, come on. Face up to old Horace, I'm Beatrice Barefax without the girdle. Well, I'm just fed up with this town, that's all. There's nothing wrong with this town, kid. Like all of the town? Except the one you grew up in. Well, I suppose you're right. You know what you need is a little diversion. Oh, here, my man. Load these guns up again, will you? Yes, sir, both guns, champ.  Okay. You know, I think perhaps I've got just the right medicine for your homesickness, young fellow. Oh, what's that? A girl. A girl? Yes, don't tell me you've never heard of them. I haven't, bless me. I don't want to be the one to tell you. No, that's not that. Here you are, sir. That'll be two bucks. Two dollars? That's right, chum. There's a wire on it in case you haven't heard. Ammunition's kind of hard to get nowadays. Oh, well, as a matter of fact, it's a little dark in here and my eyes aren't what they used to be, so perhaps I'll simply forget them. No, no, no. Here's the money. Go on. Go ahead, Pop. Shoot.  Did I say my eyes? No, no, no. No, thanks. As I was saying, son, I have a splendid idea. Now, tomorrow, being the Sabbath, my wife and I are bound for Minna Wonka on a peaceful little fishing expedition. If you care to accompany us, there is a faint chance, just a faint chance, mind you, that I might round up a beautiful young lady who will make it a foursome. Well, wouldn't that be too much trouble? Not at all, son. Meet me here tomorrow at nine. What do you say? Gee, that... Well, that's swell, except... Except what? Oh, do you mind if I shoot first? Go ahead. Except that I've never been fishing before in my life. Don't worry about it. Hey! Hey, your eyes aren't too bad. Oh, with a fish, the big thing is not so much your experience as your bait. The idea of not being alone again on Sunday is what excited me. I didn't give much thought to the girl until I saw her.  First you see the tiny grey silhouette in the distance and then the figure seems to spring to light. Each curve runs into place and finally you see the smooth oval face and the long, law-burn hair dancing in the breeze. Before you know it, you're in a trance, that's all. That must have been what happened to me when I first saw a jolly, because I don't remember much of anything until I heard myself saying... Oh, hey! What's that? A worm, Philly. You can't fish without a worm. Do I have to? Well, of course. As captain of this boat, I promise to bring in more fish than horrors. I order you to put that worm on the hook. No, it shakes. Rather gracefully, don't you think? Kind of reminds me of a shimmy queen in a burlesque show. Oh. There! Now you did it. Easy was me. Now drop your line in the water. Okay. Well, where's the fish? Patience, lad, patience. The fish hasn't had a chance to read your business yet. Well, if they could only see your jolly, I doubt if they'd bother with my line at all. Oh, your line isn't bad, Eddie. This is so bad at all. I guess in the next few hours, I told her just about all I could remember about myself, about wanting to be an actor and leaving home and coming to this town and this appointment and how I decided to go home while I still had some money left and how lonely I was, how terribly lonely I was. And before she left that night, she wouldn't let me take her home. I made a day for the next night. It's funny how quick you can get to feel that way about somebody when you're lonely. We met in the Aster Lobby and after we talked for a while. Well, for a slow starter, you certainly caught on in the back straight. No, no, no. Please don't laugh. Joly, I'm pretty serious. But what? About you. How about me? Joly, look. Look, I was planning to go home today. I had the ticket in my pocket and this morning I turned it in. Oh. Look, I still want to go home, Joly. But I want you to go with me. You want what? I... I want you to marry me. Joly? I heard. Well? You want an answer now? Yes. It's no, Eddie. Oh, I... I'm sorry. Well, is there somebody else? No, it isn't that, Eddie. There isn't anything you could possibly imagine. There isn't even that I don't love you because maybe I do. Joly! But you see, Eddie, I was going to ask you something tonight too and it doesn't stack up very well against what you asked me. Joly, what? What? Oh, I know, it's silly. We've only known each other for 48 hours and it shouldn't matter, but... Oh, it doesn't matter anyway, no. Joly, you've got to tell me. It's just an old, old story, Eddie. Such an old story that you probably wouldn't even believe it. That's the trouble. Look, I believe anything you told me. It's about my mother out west and how I support her and how she needs an operation. I was going to ask you for $1,000. Is that all? That's enough. Oh, Joly, why did you put me through such a cold sweat for a little thing like that? It's pretty complicated, Eddie. Oh, what's complicated about it? Look, Joly, look, here's a ring. It's all I've got right now, but I wish you'd wear it. Oh, it's beautiful. An old Samoan chief gave it to me when I was in Tahiti. Go ahead, look inside. The Eddie Lewis from Question Mall. Yeah, I had that engraved in it when I got back to the States. I never did know the old guy's name. Will you wear it? Eddie, I'll meet you here tomorrow for lunch. And if I'm wearing the ring, third finger left hand. You will know that I do. All right. Joly. Yes? Do you want the money now? No, Eddie, no. Not now. The next day I was there waiting for her way ahead of time again, but this time she was late. After a half hour, I began to get worried. Then I began to get scared. And after a full hour gone by, and she still hadn't shown up, I was half crazy. Then I felt a hand on my arm and a voice peaking over my shoulder. You waiting for somebody? That's right. A lady? Yeah, what about it? Was your name the Eddie Lewis? Yes. Say, what do you know about the fact that I'm... We found your name written in lipstick in the back of a bathroom door up on the 10th floor. After it, it said, asked a lobby one o'clock, so we sort of put two and two together. You see, I'm from headquarters, Eddie. What? I'm a detective. Detective? Listen, if you know anything about Joly Andrews, I was supposed to meet her here about an hour ago, and she hasn't... been wearing this ring by any chance? That's right, that's my ring. Where is she? She's down at the city morgue, Eddie. She's dead. For Suspense, Roma Wines are bringing you as star Mr. Dane Clark, whom you have heard in the first act of A Guy Gets Lonely, a radio play by Don Paul Nathanson, which is Roma Wines' presentation tonight of Suspense. Between the acts of suspense, this is Truman Bradley for Roma Wines. Gracious hostess, internationally known on entertaining, Elsa Maxwell's suggestions are always worthwhile. Spring is here, and nature is again bursting into life. 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And now Roma Wines bring back to our Hollywood soundstage Dane Clark as Eddie in A Guy Gets Lonely. A play well calculated to keep you in suspense. My mind was going round like a merry-go-round. Having an old mooch like Horace walk up out of a clear sky and introduce you to a girl like Jorley. Proposing to her after only 48 hours and then having a cop come along and tell you she's dead. They took me down to headquarters and I was there all day answering questions and trying to dope out what had happened myself. I even told them how she'd asked me for $1,000, but they didn't pay much attention to anything I said. A simple case of suicide and that's that. But it couldn't be! Jorley wouldn't commit suicide? You recognized her, didn't you? Well, I... Well, what? People don't look quite the same after they've fallen ten stories on a concrete side. But you recognized her? Yes, yes, I recognized her. But why does she write my name on the inside of that door? How do I know what women think about before they jump out the window? I'm not Mr. Anthony. Well, look, maybe somebody followed her. Maybe somebody tried to force the door. There wasn't any lock on the door. Then it would have been that much easier. Maybe somebody... Look, Eddie, just what are you trying to make out of this? I don't know! All I know is it couldn't have been as simple as this. You wouldn't be thinking about murder, would you? Maybe. Now, Eddie, this sort of thing happens all the time. Look, I'll draw you a picture. A friendless girl meets guy. They start going together and she asks him for money. He doesn't give. The next day she... Look, I told you... I'm doing that talking. She asks him for money and he doesn't give. See, the next day she writes his name on the handiest plain white surface and... Boom. Now, how does that look to you? All right, all right. But what about Horace? Have you tried to trace him? Yes, sure, sure. We tried to find Horace. Only we didn't. Mainly on account of he doesn't exist, if you ask me.  You don't have to go that far to explain how a man meets a girl nowadays, Eddie. Look, he did introduce us. He was an old man, white-haired, with an ass-shooting dog. Eddie has a hobby of introducing guys to beautiful girls that nobody knows where he lives. And the only time you ever met him was in the Penny Arcade, that's so busy they wouldn't remember George Washington being in there. That and the time you were seen together by a couple of lake trout. I'll cut it out, will you, son? All right, go on home, Eddie. You've towned just yet, though, if I were you. All right. And, uh, Eddie. Yeah. I wouldn't push that murder theory too far either. Why? Because you know who's the only possible suspect for murder? That's right. You. First, I didn't know what to do or what to think. I didn't blame the cops. From where they sat, it just didn't make any sense any other way. And then all at once I knew what I was going to do. First I moved to another hotel just in case. And then I started growing a full beard and I dyed it black. And my hair, too, you see, I'm a natural blond, so it turned out pretty good. Good enough to pass off for a night anyway.  And I got some different clothes and then I was ready. I began haunting that shooting gallery because I figured the old man had a system. But after about three weeks I had about giving up hope. When one Saturday night I walked into a little place off Times Square and I saw him. My heart was jumping through hoops, but I just sort of moseyed around, tried to look as down in the mouth as I could, kept my face out of the light. I felt pretty safe with the beard, so I went over and I stood next to him. Well, my aim seems to be off tonight. Oh, pardon me. Do you have a match? I reckon I do. Sure, here you are. Oh, thank you. My boy. Would you like to try your skill at the shooting gallery? Perhaps a little wager? Oh, no, thanks. I've just about had enough shooting to last me a lifetime. I've just come back from two years in the South Pacific. So that's where you got the beard?  I promised my kinfolk I'd let them see it before I shaved it off. I'm not so sure I would shave it off. It's mightily becoming clear. Thank you, thank you. Where are your folks? Uh, Texas.  I sure do miss it. Kind of lonely, huh? Oh, you all can say that again, mister. Well, son, if you'd forgive an old man for sticking his nose in somebody's business where he's got no call to. Shakespearex, no. What's on your mind? I think I know just the medicine for you. Well, what's that? A girl. That was it. That's what I've been waiting for. I thought of taking the old devil out in the alley and sweating it out right then and there. And I thought, no. No, there'll be a girl and I want to have a talk with that girl. In the meantime, the old man was going on about that fishing trip. If you care to join us, my boy, I think I can promise you a very pleasant afternoon. Well, I reckon I couldn't do that. Perhaps if you can make it tomorrow night. Well, now that might be arranged. Where would you like to have us meet you? Why couldn't you just sort of give me the young lady's phone number? Tell her I was fixing the phone. I'm afraid you see this particular young lady doesn't have a phone. Don't think I'm not downright grateful, mister, or that I wouldn't enjoy your company. But you'd rather be alone. Shucks. No, don't get me wrong. I'm no wolf and nothing like that. But, well, when a fella has his first date with a gal in more than two years, maybe you can understand what that means. I think maybe I get the general idea, son. Well, I'll tell her to look for a handsome Texan with a beard. Can you be here tomorrow night at, say, eight o'clock? Oh, I calculate her sure can. Well, then, my boy, you've got yourself a date. The next night I was there in plenty of time. I had plans for that girl, lots of plans. As I got around toward eight o'clock, I kept looking toward the street entrance, but somehow I must have missed her because the next thing on you, there was somebody standing beside me and I heard a voice. Hello there. I'm Joyce Arlen. It seemed as though minutes went by before I was able to say a word. But hadn't been dark where I was sitting, she couldn't have but helped to see that something was wrong because the girl was Jorley, my Jorley, who was supposed to be dead, the Jorley that I'd seen at myself, at the slayer but the city morgue. Then somehow, somehow, I managed to pull myself together and start talking. You're Johnny Farrell, aren't you? That's right. I was sure mighty nice of you to come. Oh, that's all right. I wasn't doing anything. Is there anything in particular you'd like to do now? No, nothing in particular. I thought maybe you'd like to go dancing or something like that, only I... Only what? Well, I discovered a terrible thing just before he got here, Miss... Ma'am. You can call me Joyce. You see, I left my wallet up in my hotel room. Oh.  And I suppose while we're up there, I can look over your actions. Oh, no, ma'am. I ain't that kind of honest, I'm not. But if you don't want to go... Oh, what's the difference? Come on, let's go. You always keep it this dark in here? Well, there's a couple of bulbs burned out. I told them to have them fixed. Oh, well, never mind. Where's that wallet? In the closet there in my other suit. Say, Joyce. Would you mind if I stepped in here and sort of slicked up a little before he went out? Oh, no. Go right ahead. I went into the bathroom and got out my razor. My plans were still the same. I excused myself a minute before we came upstairs and I made the phone call that I'd planned to. There was a couple of little extra flourishes to be added on now that I hadn't figured on before. First, I shaved off my beard. Then I went to work on the hair dye with some rubbing alcohol. It came out pretty easy. I was almost ready when I heard her voice in the next room. Tommy! Yes? You mean you reckon you don't want to go out with me? Oh, well, it doesn't kill Johnny, but... Well, what is it? No, no, I won't. What is it? Oh, but Joyce, I'm all ready to go now. Well... Only first I thought maybe we'd better have a little more light on this subject. I thought you said you didn't have any... Hello, Jorley. Eddie. That's right. Eddie, I thought you... You thought I'd never catch up with you. All right, Jorley. All right, give. What? Come on, talk and talk fast. Who was that other girl, the one they thought was you, the one who was dead? Well, she was my sister. Sister? What happened to her? I don't know. What kind of a racket are you and the old man running anyway? Well, Horace is... He's my father, Eddie. He's my stepfather anyway. Oh, that's nice. It's very nice. It keeps it all in the family, huh? No, Eddie, you could think anything you want to. Nothing could be quite bad enough. Please believe me. I wasn't playing any games with you. No? That's why I sent Evelyn that day, my sister. I gave her your ring so you'd know she really came from me. I just couldn't face her myself. Face me with what? With what Horace and I had planned to do. Do you? The old shakedown, huh? I guess so. Evelyn was horrified anyway when she got wind of it. She was a funny girl. She belonged to one of those religious sects and she said we'd have to atone for our sins and be punished. I know. Maybe a better start from the beginning. Well, that's about all. We were awfully hard up and Mother really was sick. And I'd borrowed some money once from a man I'd met. I paid it back that time, but it gave Horace ideas. He whittled and threatened and said, oh, Mother, might die. Well, I had a couple of pretty raw deals pulled on me out here and I just didn't care anymore, I guess. That is, till I met you. And so you sent your sister to me to confess all and she jumped out of the window instead. Is that what you think happened? I don't know. Then why did you tell me what you knew then? Well, it wouldn't have brought Evelyn back to life.  Yes, but you went right back at it again. Horace said if he'd had just a little money, he'd go away. He'd leave us alone and go back east. And I was supposed to be the next victim, as Johnny Farrell with a ranch in Texas. No, Eddie, no. Not after I met you. No. No. You were before, were you? Eddie, maybe if he knew a little more about what a girl is up against in this town, you'd understand. Telegram. Telegram.  Horace! Why, you won't... Oh, don't try anything foolish. I'm quite expert with this little gun as you may recall, my boy. I suggest we close the door and have a nice quiet talk just between ourselves. That's better. So in spite of all my admonitions, you still persist in this confessional mood, do you, my dear? Horace, what are you going to do? You young people may not see it quite my way, but I'm an old man and I don't fancy the notion of spending my remaining years behind bars. Quite a penalty for extortion, you know? You're telling me. And so I'm afraid there's going to be a little accident up here, something like the accident that happened to poor Evelyn.  Well, technically, yes. I did assist her through that window after she insisted on making a scene. Why, you... Evelyn was always excitable, you know. Really not quite normal, I'm afraid. Oh, Horace, you're mad. My dear, I want you to write a little note. See, there's paper and pen over there on the desk, and you will say, darling, forgive me, but it will be best this way for both of us. Can sign your name.   Oh, yes, these old eyes can still tell love, wouldn't they see? Jolly, look, don't do it, don't do it.  Horace, will you promise then? Call us I will. That's it, my dear. Write it down just as I told you. There's only one thing wrong with all this, Horace. You want to know what it is? Naturally. I've already called the police. They're waiting for me in the lobby right now. And if I'm not down there in about five minutes, they'll be up here. Oh, dear, this is embarrassing, isn't it? Isn't it? I think perhaps you'd better get on that telephone, my boy. Give directions for the officers to go away immediately. Say that you no longer have any need of them. Well, all right. Hello? Hello, Desk? You know those two men who were waiting in the lobby for me? Well, tell them, don't they get up here as fast as they can? Horace, no! Jolly, why you won't... Jolly, Jolly, are you all right? I think so. It's only my shoulder. Oh, darling, you shouldn't have gotten in the way. I'd rather have had it been me than you. Look, I'll call a doctor. What's going on here? We heard a shot. Look, there's the man who's responsible for the suicide of Jolly Andrews.  He killed her. It wasn't Jolly Andrews. That's Jolly Andrews over here. What are you talking about? Hello, hello, hello? I've got to get a doctor. Wait a minute, will you? Hello?  Look, that isn't Jolly Andrews. That's Jolly Andrews over there. You're not making sense, man. Look, fella, look. I met this guy at a hotel. Yeah?  Yeah, yeah. And then she was in a slab, and she was dead only. She's not dead. She's wonderful. We're going to get married, see? I love her. And then Horace and I were in the shooting gallery. Then I met him, and I dyed my hair, and I made a fake Texas accent, see?  Suspense. Before our star returns to the microphone, let me say a word for Roma Wines, the sponsor of suspense. Elsa Maxwell is known the world over for her great charm as a hostess. Now, here's a brief message from this noted authority. It is always a gracious act of hospitality to serve a glass of distinguished Roma wine. I suggest you try Roma California Toque, a wine of unusual versatility, enjoyable any time, before or after meals. I serve it frequently with dessert or coffee. 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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, once again. And first of all, I'm deeply grateful to Jackie and Deep Shikha because they've joined us here tonight for the Small Business Awards and the Entrepreneur's Show. So Jackie is, in fact, meant to fly outside India in a matter of about 40 minutes. So we're going to have to make this short and quick and want to understand really about the work that they're doing. We've been watching their work for such a long time. And their father's work as well and their company, which is Pooja Entertainment. So I'm going to start with you from there. So even as youngsters, I'm sure your exposure to movies and your exposure to how movies were made was very high. So how have you seen Pooja Entertainment growing? And what is it that you are doing to make Pooja Entertainment the world company with the kind of work that you are doing? So let's start with you, Jackie. Firstly, thank you. Thank you so much for having me, everyone. And so I would like to say business that our idols is our dad. My dad used to sell sari on the footpath in Calcutta. That's where he started from. So business is, I guess, in our blood. And business is worship. Work is worship. That's what we've learned all our lives. I remember when we were young, we reached Bombay from Calcutta. And we were standing outside Uncle Amit's house with candy floss on Sunday. And when we made Bademiya Chhotemiya and we told him that, he didn't believe it. So a lot of people feel that, you know, it's been going on for generations, there's nothing like that. So and Pooja Entertainment, basically the main boss is my mother. She is Pooja. And the inspiration for my dad to start this company was Pooja. So that's why Pooja Entertainment. And if you see the new logo of Pooja Entertainment, it's red color and it started with one man and inspiration, one woman, which is my mom. And the new logo has all of us now holding hands and the team has grown. So that's the journey of Pooja Entertainment. The new journey, the breakdown of applause, ladies and gentlemen. My job, my job since past four, five years is mainly primarily to creatively grow the company in a way where we can do more films, you know, we can do better films. And the whole dream of ours is, dad made 45 films, the aim is to make the next 40 films in the next five to seven years. That's the aim and that's the dream. That's certainly a good aim to have in Masha Allah. We love to see all those movies and we look forward to them. I can dance also. So, you know, now I understand that you are currently and we've all loved Varemia Chotemia in its first sort of version. And, you know, we've danced on all the songs ourselves. And now you're making a franchise of it and you're making... This is also a very good story.  So what is it? I said, dad makes Varemia Chotemia 2. And so he said, two actors have to bring together is like having two girlfriends at the same time. It's impossible.  How did you do it? And that's where the journey started and we worked day and night, day and night, day and night. No, but I want to say that when we were sitting in that room and brainstorming on this, my dad said, I can't do it. Jackie, if you can do it, you know, come back to me with it. And he actually came back, convincing Akshay Sir and Tiger to do the film. And when is it likely to come out? Next, Eid 2024. Okay, so ladies and gentlemen, we've got another new franchise coming up and I think we're all looking forward to watching it. And of course, there is Ganpat also that you're doing with Amitabh Bachchan. That's Mr. Bachchan. There's Tiger, Shroff, Krithi Sanand. And what is that about? Is it a remake or is it something that you're suffering? So, you know, my sister and me have been working very hard and we have five films coming up in the next 10 months. And we would proudly want to say that they are all original films. So even if you're using the title, but we're just using the title, but we are making a brand new film out of it. So, yeah, we are going to serve old wine in a new bottle, but all original films. So Deep Shikha, not just Jackie, but I see that you are also doing a lot of new films by yourself. So, you know, we make all our films together, a film made on coal mines. And it's India's first successful coal mine rescue firm. And, you know, Kala Pathar ke baad, there's nothing really made in this space which is highlighting this. And that's what made us go for this racy mission and this story. Q&A, you know, Abhijay, I don't know if everyone's seen with Ocean Gate when the Titan got lost. There were just four people on the Titan and there was only 17 hours of oxygen. And I know everybody was glued to their social media to understand are they alive is something happening. And I think that's the feeling you get when you see so many miners actually stuck down there and how it's a real story inspired by Sardar Jaswant Singh Gillji and how, you know, he managed to get them out of the coal mines. So that's the story. And they're always incredibly, you know, they make you sad, but also part, they also inspire you a lot about the work that needs to be done in our society. So I think we do need movies like those which truly inspire us to do much better work and improve our businesses in one sense to make them more people friendly, which sometimes we forget in everyday life. But I would like to add, you know, what is amazing for me, you know, for female entrepreneurs especially, is that she was managing her kids. She was on set. My dad's not an easy man. He's a task master and a senior. So yeah, it was it was a tough one for her to pull off the production. It was her first production and she gave it her all. And I've got the opportunity to see the edit. And I think it's one of the films which Pooja Entertainment will be really proud about. And do you also plan to release these movies on OTT first or how will it work? It's all coming on theater first. Theater first. Cinema, cinema, cinema. You all go to the theater and watch the film first. So, you know, I know that both of you are also doing a lot of work on the animation space wherein you're making a lot of animated content. So, you know, probably as audience, we're all very used to watching western animation. And of course, while Chhota Bheem and everybody, we got a bit tuned to India, but I still feel it's a wide open market, you know, a lot has been done on the animation side. So, what is the big opportunity that you saw there? So, I think Pooja Groups now has an arm called DB Films and Animation. And we're all collectively working to take Indian stories, whether it's, you know, I mean, we see the Avengers of the world and Spider-Man and Superman. So, I'm like, you know, 10,000 earlier, we had the original superheroes, our sub-trishis, you know, we're not talking enough about them, our mythology, we're talking about the mythical worlds, teleportation. There are so many things in India that have come out of it. You know, everything that we can't do in the live-action space, now we've all decided to do that in the animation space. So, I think that's something that we want to tap upon. And the industry is growing ferociously. From 2021 to 22, it's grown 25%. By 2025, I think it's, they're expecting 62 billion growth in that sector by 2025. So, I think it's a strategic decision to take our stories and proudly present them to the global audience. Sure.   And in future, what are you planning to do in that direction? So, we launched our trailer on the Metaverse. See, the whole idea is that we feel that, you know, media and technology will go hand in hand. As technology is going to grow, you will need some kind of media or content to back it, either in the form of tutorial or in the form of usage. So, I feel that they will go hand in hand. And if they will go hand in hand, we want to be one of the first players, you know, to walk that path. But I also want to say what he's saying, expanding on that, is that we're always looking for ways to get the Gen Z in. But the Gen Alpha, like my kids are now eight and nine, they are living in virtual realities through these gaming stuff. So, if we are not going to serve them things the way they want, you know, they're not going to be consuming a lot of it. So, I think constantly, Jack, Dad, they're always like, tell us ways of how we can do it. And that's how we sort of decided to take a step forward and create our own metaverse for Pooja. So, while we're on the subject of technology, I know both of you are also very excited about startups. So, Jackie, I know that you've done a couple of your own startups, just music. And then you also have White Canvas, which are very digitally empowered businesses. So, you know, how did your interest in startups on the other side, other than the production side also come to develop? And you know, what is it that you're planning to do in space? You know, I just said that earlier that someone told me that it was, I'm just going blank, but a very big economist told me that, told someone, they went on a college summit and the child asked that economist that, sir, how do I become rich? So, he said that you want to be rich or you want to be wealthy. So, he said, what's the difference? He said, if you want to be rich, you should work very hard, you know, either do a job, you know, open a shop or work. And you'll be rich if you work hard. But if you want to be wealthy, you want to be a shareholder. So, I said, everyone wants to be wealthy, at least I want to be. And I want to, you know, finally take the family legacy further ahead in a big way, in whatever capacity I can. And I felt that, you know, start investing in startups, whatever I believe in. So, just music, what I started four years back because I'm a dancer, I like music. It started off initially as a music company and we did some interesting, we're doing some interesting music, but off late, since past one year we've diversified, we've changed it to just group and we have six verticals, there's just music, there's just kids, so there's animated content, musical content for zero to eight, which is edutainment music, like Baby Shark, the song. Then there is Just Originals, which is for branded content and editorial content, Just Life, which is live concerts, then there's Just Puja, this is mainly for my mom, but for devotional and meditational content and so on and so forth. So, that's what Just Group is all about and there's White Canvas, then there is D2C Commerce, a D2C brand which I've invested in, there's a brand called Ahikoza. So, there are four, five brands. And you plan to do more investment? Yeah, if I make more money, I would love to do. Yeah, more well. I would love to do. Well, for anybody who's looking to raise capital, you know who's door to knock right now. Deep Shikha, you also launched a D2C skincare brand and how did that come to happen? It's so different from movies. I think when I turned to mother, my son had multiple skin allergies and at that time in 2016, there wasn't much available in the natural and organic space and that's how I ventured into love organically and that's how the brand came about. We were essentially a luxury space market, you know, just selling online and sort of understanding that space. But now this year, we're planning to do some big tie ups and take it offline, take it to brick mortar stores and sort of make wellness, which is I think it's everyone's right to good skincare, good wellness and we want to take that to the tier twos and tier threes and fours of India. So that's what we intend to do. And I think it's a big opportunity right now with the kind of space he's doing D2C commerce and then you're doing D2C brand. So I think that's what happens. He's also part of mine. He's the investor in mine as well. Charity begins at home. I have done nothing. Truly knock on his doors.  So you know, one thing both of you and independently can share, one thing that you feel that you've learned from him and truly remains with you all the time when you're taking any business decisions. I think one thing I've learned, I learn from him every day actually. But one thing I've learned from him is never depend on anyone. Never, never, of course, we need to have a team. We need to have a structure. We need to have an organization. But back of the head, no one in the system should ever feel that if I'm not here, then this won't work. They should always have that fear in the head that the promoter is capable of doing everything. You've said it with the voice of a small business owner. I think for me, I've always learned because he's always told me to believe in my dreams. Because I'm always a little like, should I do it, can I? And he always says that if you set your heart and mind to it and if you think you're capable of doing it, you will. You know, he's the kind of man no matter where he is. Today, if he sees the driver is not here, half an hour is enough.  But he's like reaching that position, reaching on that time is more important than anything else. So make sure that you believe in where you're going and do it with all your heart. I know I think it's the blessings of our parents that always stay with us and you know, make us. There's also a film I want to make on his life. I've already registered a title, it's called Tycoon. Wow. That's a big thought and you know, it's, you know, they give us their blessings and in turn, I think this is the best, although the smallest thing I think we can do to make them feel special and to bring their story to the rest of the world. So thank you very much. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you very much Deep Shikhar. Pleasure talking to you.


So Dave says, suppose Captain Koch is in the teleprompter about to be beamed up to the enterprise. The teleprompter disassembles Koch atom by atom and sends the information, not the atoms, back to the enterprise, with the atoms in the ship assembled into Captain Koch. Does the transported Koch have the same consciousness as the original? I'm so glad you asked that. Never step into a transporter. It's your death. No. To create somebody with the same molecular structure as you is not to create you. Just imagine that the transporter works this way. It scans you, leaves you alone, and creates on the enterprise a duplicative view. And somebody then punches that you in the face. You're not going to feel anything. You are not just a description of you.  So, no. Absolutely no. It is not the same consciousness. Do not step into a transporter. That's terrible. I mean, of all the sci-fi, you know, inventions, given how much I travel, the one that I am more than any is the transporter. Oh, yeah. But we're going to have something like that. But it won't work that way. It won't work that way. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran Book Show. If you'd like to support the show, we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. You get value from listening. You get value from watching. Show your appreciation. You can do that by going to iranbrookshow.com.  Also, if you'd like to see the Iran Book Show grow, please consider sharing our content and, of course, subscribe. Press that little bell button right down there on YouTube so that you get an announcement when we go live. And for those of you who are already subscribers and those of you who are already supporters of the show, thank you. I very much appreciate it.


Tech of Hawaii, civil engagement lives here. Welcome back to the Cyber Underground. I'm your host Dave Stevens, also known as Dave the Cyber Guy and I'm here with Andrew, the security guy. Welcome Andrew. Hey everybody. We got some guests here today. Stanley and Tim, they're gonna introduce themselves from Hawaii High Tech Support or Tech Support? Hawaii Tech Support. Hawaii Tech Support. And the reason we got you guys on the show today is we're gonna be starting to talk about why is it important to trust your tech support? There's some things we need to talk about with tech support because it's a matter of trust.  It's all in the cloud. And you guys have the privilege of helping those people out without harming their data or harvesting their data and they gotta know who to trust and why to trust. So let's start with you. And you are the CEO of your own company now? Yes. How did you start? How did you get here and start this company? Absolutely. So the company started in 2004. I was in California prior to working in IT, the early days, first.com. Northern? Southern? Southern. Southern, okay. And then I went to school out there, computer science, and... Where'd you go? UCLA. UCLA computer science, whoa. Yeah, so. Serious. I grew up here after living there for a while. I decided to come home and be back part of this community. Good for you. No more contributing to the brain drain. How to bring back from UCLA. Absolutely. Seriously. So Stanley Lau, right? CEO. And how did you decide to do tech support as a business model? Yeah, so in terms of what we do right now, we actually, the tech support, it's so varied in terms of what we do. I think the name itself kind of just, it doesn't really pigeonhole us, but it really, when you think of tech support, you think kind of low level L1 type services, but the services that we provide actually span all IT needs in a business. Right, when you do tech support, you think running cable, hook up my printer. Yeah, or call, pick up a phone and call, but that's not all that we do. Right. But it's just the name has stuck and it's actually, you know, one of the, in terms of Google searches. Friendly name. Friendly name. Yeah, it comes right up. Yeah, great keywords, yeah. So, Tim. Yeah. Tim Ames, you are the CTO, the Chief Technology Officer. Yeah. And did you lose a bet? You had to hire him, or? No. No. I brought him a big gun. Yeah, you brought him a big gun. Yeah, actually, so I have a little bit different history than Stan. He went through the IT, he went through the commercial side. I came up through the Department of Defense side. Oh, yeah. So I was 10 years active duty Marine Corps, got out, came over to Hawaii. Yes, right on. All right. Came over to Hawaii, joined the Hawaii Army National Guard. I actually retired a couple years ago as a chief warrant officer. From the National Guard. Yes.  That's all right, thanks. And yeah, so I did a stint with the financial industry. So I was the director of information security for a $4 billion financial institution. Wanted to come back to Hawaii, to bring some of my experiences that I learned abroad back to Hawaii. And you know, my wife's from here. So we're here forever. Good for you. Yeah. No, I love to see that, especially from the DOD side, when people get out of the service, we try to encourage them to make the transition to civilian life and keep their skill set here. That kind of motivation, that dedication, that discipline, and all that skill that you have. And then people move back home. We want them to stay here. Sure. So what do you guys do? What's the crux of how you perform business on a day to day? I know tech support is that huge umbrella. Everything from, do you help people with their OS upgrades at companies all the way down to, hey, I can't get in my email today? Yeah, so we're actually a little more focused. We're business B2B only. So the only service businesses. But the core of what we do is, in the industry we're MSP managed service provider. So we're basically outsourced IT for businesses. We handle everything from help desk support all the way through implementation, security, everything IT related in a company. So for small businesses, it's massively important to save on costs, right? And this kind of thing could save you a lot of money rather than have two or three of the tech guys on site all the time, right? Well, not only save on costs, but it increases your band strength. So if you hire a guy, hire a couple guys that may have good specialty in sysadmin, you know, they might know their Windows products. They might have a good web developer. When it comes to, when it comes to doing networking, networking security, some of the more esoteric needs and requirements of a business in the technology sector, that's where we come into play. So we do have that bench strength. We have security experts. We have network experts. We have Windows and Linux experts and- Could be a real help because some companies will do Cisco, other Palo Alto networks, in other words, Fortinet or they might have a mix of it and you don't have one guy that knows them all, right? So they call you guys, you might have a channel to each one of them. Absolutely. You don't want to depend on things like TALOS and stuff to take care of every little problem. So what else do you provide? Email service, the phone support, I think it's probably really important, right? Do you do 24-7 phone support? Yeah, we do. So we actually work with, we have a 200 person helped us team. 200 people. Right, that's actually part of a partner group that we do. And so we are able to offer the 24-7 support to our customers. Out of the islands or you do a rotational around the world? Yeah. It's a little bit of a hybrid model. Yeah, okay. So you have call centers at different places, yeah. I know Microsoft moved to that model now. You can call, you get Nova Scotia or you get something in the Dakotas or you might get Chennai India and it's just wherever it's daylight. You know, someone's working on- Yeah, it's following the sun. Following the sun? It's a good model because, you know, your issue is always being handed off to somebody that's awake and, you know. You're not working with that midnight shift, you know. The guys that aren't really happy to be there, yeah. Can I help you? I've had those guys before. So you work with, what other countries do you work with? Where are your call centers? Yep, so can I know? Actually, they're primarily in the US. In the US? East Coast. East Coast centers, yeah. So I've never been to the East Coast. You guys been to the East Coast? Do you must have gone over there somewhere? Yeah, I've been in DC, Boston. Different mindset. Sure. But now that you're back here, the similarities and differences you see in your business model now, versus East Coast versus the Hawaii customer? I think, so one of the biggest differences, I think, is that people think that Hawaii is technologically behind. No. Where that's not absolutely, absolutely not the case. Is that true? That's what people think about it? Probably. I think that's something, you know, Ethernet was invented at UH. And you know. That's right, a low on it. That's right. But, you know, when it comes to like businesses and like the, we don't have a lot of huge corporations. We don't have a lot of those, you know, 20 billion dollar corporations, but we do have a lot of small, medium sized businesses that need that kind of, you know, enterprise support that you don't get unless you have the big IT teams. So I think that's probably been the biggest difference is that you don't have a lot of big IT teams and a lot of these core businesses, but what you have is you have a lot of smaller teams that are, you know, more dynamic and unfortunately what people get into a company over here and they don't move around a lot, which is good for the company, but at the same time, if you're not training that employee, if they're not growing with the technology, it becomes kind of like a stagnation. So that's a mainland thing, right? Every two and a half to three years you're moving between companies and you pick up a massive amount of experience in enterprise environments in different company sets, right, different business models, different programming models, and yeah, and people out here tend to stay with the job five, 10 years, so you need to train them more. Which is, do you guys train also? Absolutely, that's one of our partners, yeah? All right, you do security training, user training, what do you do? What kind of training? So there's a few different fronts. You mentioned the primary goal for us is customer service is big, so we focus on that in addition to the technical training. We have different tracks that we go through at different platforms, so that's something that, like you mentioned here, we try, you know, as a business owner, I think it's tough to retain really good people and that's one of the things that we really need to focus on is to be able to get people motivated and trained up. Tremendous is difficult to hold on to people, especially because it's so expensive to live out here, and if someone offers you a job for, say, 20k more a year, you have to go. It's not like you can stay, right? And you can't keep raising everybody's pay to keep them, so what do you do to motivate people to stay on board? Can I ask about how many businesses you serve right now? Yeah, so right now we're at about 80 companies. 80 companies. Locally. And so, like Tim was saying, because Hawaii, the mix of business really is, we're primarily small business driven here, so that's the core of our business. We're finding that there is a large market for what we do, but I think Andrew knows as well, it's a great marketplace for small businesses and it's a good focus for us. So I know if small businesses are watching right now, they're probably asking, do I have to pay thousands up front, or can I just do a per phone call model, or a per visit model, or how do I get involved? If I'm a small business Sam, I just opened up my liquor store, and now I have a POS, now I have some other kind of computer equipment in the shop and I want to remote in and have some security cameras. So I call Andrew for the security cameras, but I call you guys for tech support. How do you handle that? So it's really going in and doing an assessment. That's step one. It's to say, look, these are all the disparate systems that you've brought in over time, and we want to make those, you want to coalesce those into a good business solution for you, and then we want to get it baselined. You know, we want to get that security patching done. We want to get you up to the current operating system. We want to get you up to your, you know, current hardware systems that you need. So that's the initial outlier of money. So let's go back for just a second. You said we want to baseline it. So for our viewers out there, you want to baseline of something because you're looking for anomaly detections. Correct. If I'm using this amount of bandwidth through the day, but all of a sudden I've got this huge spike to a whole bunch of websites I've never been to before, that's an anomaly. You can say, hey, set up an alarm, right? And call you guys. Yeah, so before we even bring on a customer, what we want to do is bring them up to a good patch level, you know, make sure all the security patches are applied. Make sure that they have the right authentication model, you know, so that people are locked in. That's not just for operating systems, right? You're already talking about electronic applications, and applications, and your network devices, all have to be patched. Oh, even on the physical security devices, the camera systems, I mean, if those just go left unpatched, those firmwares need to be patched as well. Big problem, right? Yeah, that's a huge problem. And then patching them because sometimes they're air-gapped. What?  And, you know, escalation of privilege for services and applications is a problem.  And that, you know, if you get something, some malware anchored in their escalation of privilege makes it fairly easy to move around, especially if it's a network running across one switch, right? You can kind of see everything all of a sudden. Life gets easy for a hacker, and I think there's a lot of vulnerability that, you know, when the services that they're bringing, the small businesses' owners are interested in their own business, and they just don't have time to take care of their IT environment. Classic business problem.  So calling you guys, that's a good way to spend a little bit of money and solve a big problem. Yeah, making it preventive, too. So once we get somebody to that baseline level, we want to build them into a kind of a preventive maintenance model, so that instead of calling us when something breaks, we'll keep it for breaking, you know? So we'll do the patches monthly, we'll do the, we'll keep control of your disk sizing, so if you start to run out of space, or if your power supplies start to fail, before those fail, you know, in the middle of the day and bring down productivity, we'll say, hey, look, we're getting these alerts, we're getting these errors. Let's bring you down on Saturday night, 2 a.m., we'll switch it out, and then you won't lose any productivity. Make sure they're doing backups, right? Oh my gosh. They all think they're doing backups. I mean, if they find out they call you, we were doing backups, but the little sand drive died a year ago, we didn't know. Right, right, right. Or whatever, right? Like, no one checks the backup, no one ever tries to restore them to make sure that. Yeah, that's a key. That's good. You gotta go through the plan to make sure the plan works, otherwise it's not a real plan. And so many people don't test their backups, so it's just an overriding of this bad data over and over and over again, and you never know if it's gonna work. Until you need it. Until you need it, then you know it doesn't work, right? That's a terrible thing, and I know a lot of people will hook up their backup drive to the main computer, and they'll just leave it in there. And then they get rid of it with ransomware, and of course that's a network to drive, so of course your backups are not. Even from a physical perspective, I mean, we live in Hawaii. We have elements to worry about, rain, water, ocean, it's all there. So if you have all your stuff in one spot, and you get flooded in that one spot, no offsite backup, you lost the hole. That's right, you guys utilize the cloud a little bit more now, right? Absolutely. Do you recommend this to Amazon or Azure? Google, do you use Google? We're agnostic, we actually use... Good for you, I like that. We use what works for the customer, what works for the business case. AWS has really good product with Glacier. That's Amazon Web Services? Yes, and Glacier is the slow product. Long-term storage. So if you need it back, it could take anywhere from 30 minutes to six hours, depending on where it's stored and how it's stored. So it has its purpose? Yeah, but it's cheap. But it's super inexpensive. Super cheap. It's like a penny a meg or something. Yeah, it's a really, it's a good deal. Whether or not you use the S3 was a simple storage service and it's just immediate. It's basically on your hard drive as fast as your internet speed is. Absolutely. We have to take a quick break, pay some bills. Not that we pay bills. We'll be right back. Until then, stay safe. Aloha, my name is Mark Shklav. I am the host of Think Tech Hawaii's Law Across the Sea. Law Across the Sea comes on every other Monday at 11 a.m. Please join us. I like to bring in guests that talk about all types of things that come across the sea to Hawaii. Not just law, love, people, ideas, history. Please join us for Law Across the Sea, Allah. Good afternoon, my name is Howard Wigg. I am the proud host of Code Green, a program on Think Tech Hawaii. We show at three o'clock in the afternoon every other Monday. My guests are specialists both from here and the mainland on energy efficiency, which means you do more for less electricity and you're generally safer and more comfortable while you're keeping dollars in your pocket. Welcome back to the Cyber Underground. Let's do the second half of the show. We've already been introduced to Andrew, the security guy. Tim Ames and Slandly Lau from Hawaii Tech Support and they've been great in telling us their business model, how they came to start the company and what they usually do for customers and how they help customers get done what they need to get done. So they don't have to run a business and be their own tech support. So that's a drag. A lot of value there. Right, if you're not an IT person but you want to, you know, if you got to mix Rick's shirts or SIGsane, you don't want to concentrate on the computer. You want to do your art, right? Well, let's talk about something else that happened on the 28th. We got an alert, but we already knew that. You guys being in the business. This alert came out from the United States computer emergency readiness team. Cert. I always want to say response team. I don't know why. Anyway, US Cert, the blanket emails that come out to all of us nerds and it said, hey, beware of tech support fraud. Let's talk about tech support fraud and how people can fall for it because I have family members who have fallen for it. And it sounds pretty believable, especially when they go to a website and you get that pop up. You're confused in fact to please call this number right away and you get somebody on the other end in line that sounds just like tech support. Usually from another country and they help you through it and they always say, well, we need to take control by remote. Would you install this little utility for us? How do we know it's you guys versus the bad guys? Yeah. My recommendation is we're never going to ask you for your password. We're never going to ask you for your information. If you get a call from us and this can be manipulated so you might get a call that says it's from us that can be manipulated. But if you get a call from us we're not going to ask you for your information. We're calling you. We should know who you are. We should also know things about you that only you should know. So there should be some kind of, you know. Like what? I saw you at Trudan last night. Remember? Hi. Well, and that's a public honor. That's a lot of public relationships. That's a lot of older scientists. But for your home customers, for your home customers that's what I'd be more concerned about because with our business customers we already have relationships. If they call us they know who they're talking to. We already have that relationship. But your home customers would get the pop ups or get these drive by downloads where they go to a website and malicious code gets installed, you know, JavaScript, cross site script get installed in their web browser. They're going to get a notification on their screen that says this is Microsoft tech support call this number. Now this is even worse because by the time they're calling that number they're already all in. You know what I mean? Yeah, because they clicked it. They're the ones initiating the call. So this becomes even worse. They call the number. The person on the other end is really good. These guys are really good customer support. I want them on my help though. That's how good they are. They're smooth. They're good talkers. They can talk the least technical person through opening up a remote session. Patient. That is a skill to translate geek to human, right? I mean, that is a serious skill. Social engineers. Yeah, you don't get out of school and you have all this knowledge and then you can describe to your CEO why you need a new firewall. You need to be able to play to your audience, right? They're just training academies. They're training them to do that. Absolutely. Wow. You know who owns them. Dave owns them most of them. He's the only guy who ran some of his own family. You know who owns them most of them. That hasn't happened in a while. I mean, I never did that. I listened to an actual staged call recently. And it's amazing what they'll tell you. So there was a university in New York. They set up, had their CS students or ICS students call these companies and entertain a situation. And it's amazing what these tech support guys, and this call went to India. And I think it's upwards of 80% of these phony, helped us scams come from India. And so if you listen to it, the guys are so good. They're so patient. And the way they lure you in, they start talking about, if you start saying, my computer's, oh, it's getting old. It's about two, three years old. Responses, no, that's not old at all. We can get this working. It'll be five or six times faster than when you first had the problem. So they're so smooth. Yeah, and they're leveraging people without a lot of computer knowledge from the get-go, right? Or they wouldn't have gone in there. So, and they're trained. I mean, they make a lot of money for every bot they can create, right? They're trying to own that PC, and then they sell off thousands of them at a time. Well, let's talk about that. You're making a bot net. Yeah, it's a business, sure. So you zombify a computer. You turn it into a zombie. That's a piece of a bot net. So when you want to attack a big target, when you want to break some serious code, you can use that processing power, that internet power, from all the computers that you've compromised, and the people that are compromised might not even know it. Yeah, well, there's a tiny amount of cryptocurrency on it, if nothing else, while it's waiting to be used for something else. Right.  How many of them are owned right now if we looked on Shodan, you know, 750,000, I don't know. Is that Shodan.org? .io. .io. Shodan. S-H-O-D-A-N. Yeah, and then you can go look and see who's advertising what size botnets I mean, there's guys that will reach 60,000 bots for, you know, something per hour or something per, that usually 15 minute increments, right? I mean, it's all in the dark. A lot of that stuff's got to be driving your business, right? How do you, what do you monitor on a daily basis to make sure you're on top of these kinds of situations? Now you got US cert, we have InfraGuard, which is FBI and civilian sector together. Oh, what else do you monitor? So IC3, which is the internet computer crime center, which is the one that actually came out with the, you know, the advisory for the US cert. Right. DHS, the Department of Homeland Security has a lot of advisories, but yeah, InfraGuard and US certs are, those are the big ones. Every once in a while, NSA will put something out, yeah? Yeah, sure. Every once in a while. But they look closer to the best for NSA. More DOD those guys, yeah. They just, they usually backing up DHS, which is their mouthpiece, which is good. You know, they all work together, so. In none of the alerts in the past, I'd say five years, with the exception of when the FBI tools or the NSA tools got leaked out, none of them have ever been really to, like, oh, that's blowing my mind, you know, none of them have really caught me by surprise. So. Yeah, Mariah was a big one. Yeah. Yeah, that was one of those tools, yeah. Right, and it's, it's, it's hitting, it's hitting hard again, too, with the ransom, the petia virus and, you know, it's. So ransomware, this is a great one, right? You guys have to have a response team for ransomware. You have to have this, right? What do you do? I called you up.  Help. Yeah. What's your first response? It's. Assessment. Yeah. I isolate, you know, so the first thing. You don't get the empathy first. I just lost soul story. Yeah. So I've dealt with ransomware several times, and in my experience, it's really comes down to a business decision. If you're coming to us for the first time and saying we've been exposed to ransomware and they've got all our shared files, they've got all of our business data, I'm going to ask, well, have you, do you guys have the backup? Do you guys have shadow copy? Now a lot of these ransomware's will disable the shadow copy feature in Windows first before they start encrypting. And then there's a delay. And then, yeah. And then so you can't even get to the, you know, those old automatic copies. If you don't have a good backup solution and you get hit with ransomware, there's not much you can do because a lot of them are encrypted with RSA type encryption, which is, you know, DoD string level encryption. Yeah, encryption's good. You just can't encrypt it. Do you tell them ever to, I know there's a slim chance if you keep the power on, you can get into main memory and the key might still be there. Do you guys ever been, do you ever try that? Yeah, so what they'll do is, the way RSA works is it uses the private and public key. So it'll encrypt with the public key and then you'd have to have that private key to unencrypt it. So even with the public key, you wouldn't actually be able to reverse engineer it most of the time. I haven't ever had success with having it powered on. I don't know anybody that's had that success. I just read the article on my desk. That was a neat theory, but I've never heard of anyone be able to do it. And the only real success I've had in recovery from ransomware is either restoring from backup to where you're gonna lose at least a little bit of data from when the ransomware attack hit to when your last backup dataset was. Right, just that gap, yeah. Or in the FBI doesn't recommend this, but it becomes business decision, pay the ransom. Pay the ransom. Aren't you taking a chance though? They don't have to give you the key. They don't have to, but you know what? It's their business model at stake then. I haven't seen anybody pay the ransom and not get the key back yet. And that's just my own experience. I can't say that that's true all across the board. I've heard stories, but when you pay the ransom it behooves them to give you the key because otherwise if people aren't trusting that they'll get the key then they'll let them pay the ransom. It's a business model. And you gotta click home through their network and clean it up for what's been like. Absolutely, yeah. Just because now you're back working. Right. It doesn't mean they didn't drop socks in there. Yeah, right, right, right. Something that looks different, but it's the same guy. Now, do you guys report this to the FBI? It should be reported to the FBI. All these things should be from the consumer level, from the home level, it should be reported to the FTC as well. So if you're falling for these tech scams, the Federal Trade Commission is actually the people that they're the consumer protection. They handle phone systems and stuff. Yeah, FTC. That's the FCC, yeah. Oh sorry, FTC Federal Trade. Right, so they're the consumer protection arm of the government.  That happens and that's when you pull in the FBI level assets. You can actually go in, if you make the payment via cryptocurrency, Bitcoin 99% of the time it's Bitcoin or Bitcoin. So if you make that payment, payment you can actually track the transaction and you know where that transaction ends up. So if the FBI has a list of wallets that are being used for these transactions, they may be able to do something with Interpol. Yeah, the biggest problem is if it's in Ukraine or North Korea. Yeah, something like that, you'll never get it back. North Korea. They're very money driven now. So yeah, I think the FBI is biggest, I'm not gonna speak for them, but I've heard what they've said that they're working with Interpol and these other agencies. They're trying to bust up these rings, but that's not gonna stop these onesie-tosies people from going onto the dark web ordering exploit kit and just doing it, you know. It's getting too easy, right? The kids are, there's what, 10,000 new people a day coming online, right, they got access. They're living in, they're making a buck a day as they're living wage and if they can double or triple that with just a little bit of ransomware, they carry, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a new movie. I think we're actually gonna go to this ready player one. I think we're all gonna be there. With the final couple seconds, we have about 30 seconds left in the show. I want you guys to talk up your business. Tell us what you do, why should we go to you? How do we save money with you? Tell us who you are. Sure, so in terms of IT, small businesses, we really help companies with their technology.  Security is a very, very big thing and Tim can talk more about the security aspect of that as well, if you wanna. So yeah, we're actually, we have a really good package together with Security Incident Event Management where we aggregate all the data going in and out of your network. It's affordable, it works from a small business all the way up to enterprise level businesses and it's 24 hour, 24 seven, you know, the security operations center, monitoring the stuff that's going in and out of your network so that when we stop things before they happen, hopefully that's our intent, is to make the system secure so that ransomware, when you click on it, it doesn't do anything. That's the answer. That's the ultimate model right there. Thanks for being on the show, you guys. And hopefully we'll get you guys back. And on that show, we'll start drinking again. Yeah. Thanks for being on the show. Okay, thanks everybody for joining us here on the Cyber Underground. Join us next week, until then. Stay safe.


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