But let's talk about what governance is needed around citizen development. What does that actually mean? I mean, let's, I realize we're trying to do short videos here, but let's just drag us into a 45 minute webinar, like what's going on here? I think the depth of charge went off. Yeah. So what does governance mean in a citizen development world? That's a damn good question. Yeah. So I spent a lot of time answering this question actually with a lot of my clients. I think what ends up happening is they call and they say, I have X problem. We go in, we try to fix it. And the very first thing is, okay, well, who's doing what, what decisions have you made? What administrative configurations have you decided on? And they're like, oh, well, we're just, you know, all kind of siloed and doing our own thing. And I think one of the big things that we don't think about now that we thought about before is that before every application to some degree had some sense of ownership. We had the exchange guy and the AD guy and the SharePoint guy and everybody kind of was the king of their castle. And so they made those decisions. And in the more mature organizations that I've been in, there were steering committees where those decisions rolled up to governance committees where they made decisions about applications and security and things like that. And I think when we start talking about the cloud, that becomes a lot, a lot more blurry because those roles have kind of shifted around and different people are doing different things and security has changed. And so the first thing that I do with people is basically I have kind of, I have a document that where I've just basically compiled, here's all the different parts and pieces to Office 365. What decisions are you making around those? Are you making decisions? Are you being proactive in what you're doing as opposed to just kind of using things as they're thrown at you?  What are you allowing them to do? What are you not allowing them to do? And is all of that documented? So I mean, I think governance is the idea of understanding what do you have? What are you choosing to do and why? And are you documenting all of that more than anything? And then after that, it gets into details. Well, I think the next piece of that is, because there's a lot of organizations that go through the trouble of documenting. Like setting up those guide rails, those guard rails. But then how are they actively disseminating that information? And as it changes, as people are working within that system over time, what's the level of transparency and the level of communication that's happening? That's where I've seen where companies have struggled the most. It's not in starting out the right direction. It's maintaining that. It's more of the transparency, the conversation, the communication, that aspect of governance, which is so critical, especially around your citizen development strategy. Yeah. I want to tag team on what Sharon said because one of the big clients I worked for was supposed to be six months, ended up being six years. So I guess I liked what I was doing. But I started out, they would come to me with what they wanted.  And they give me, nobody ever really talked about the business requirements. They saw something shiny. They saw a webinar or they saw somebody present something or like, ooh, I want this, right? And I built it for them. And it was, be really clunky because it really didn't fit. And then after, it's like, okay, what are you trying to do? After they find, they explain to me what they were trying to accomplish. I stopped them right away when they said, I need you to build me this. And my first question is like, what's your problem? Not what's your problem? What's your problem? That's a comment I ask every customer. Like, what's your problem? Yeah, because often what they know is all that they've been exposed to, but like you and I, all of us, we're exposed to a whole lot more. We know a lot about the different capabilities and what the, like you said, the guardrails are, what the pros and the cons are of using different tools for different things. And just because I think planners, the shiny tool in the drawer, doesn't mean that's the best solution for them. So they, it's like, no, if you're wanting XYZ, then you need to use Project Online. Or if you are just needing to track some tasks, you can use a SharePoint list for that. We don't, if you're wanting to do sub tasks and things like that. So there's a lot of discussion that needs to happen with those people before you start fixing what they think they want or creating what they think they want without all the information. I love that task one, Sherry, because I one time gave a session at a conference of what task management tool to use for what? In Office 365, I never gave it again because, oh my God, the audience questions. But, I've done that session multiple times. It's one of the ones, I enjoy doing it, but it's like there's something new and it's changing and evolving constantly. So yeah. It's my tip Tuesday series right now is all on task management. We're starting planner Tuesday, just makes sense. Good on you. But I think to Christian's question originally, and Sherry kind of touched on this, in terms of governance in the citizen development world, two things. One, wait too fast. People jump to technology for governance. On governance can mean actual human guidance. Yes. Like technology is not always a solution and that has, you have to pair it together because technologies, people are gonna find their way around your technology limits no matter what you do and they're not gonna understand them. The second thing is I don't think people, I don't think end users understand what being a citizen developer means. I think John in HR, having an Excel spreadsheet that he started in 2015 and now has become 10,000 lines long with a record of every person that's been hired and just pulling this example out of nowhere, but this is now a business critical Excel spreadsheet and is John a citizen developer? Does John know he's a citizen developer? That's a fact. Yeah. So I did add, I added some links into this spreadsheet, Christian, around the Microsoft maturity model. I'm just gonna do a big plug for that right now because I feel like if you're curious about governance at a very high level and especially how the Microsoft community sees governance, the Microsoft maturity model is fantastic. I was introduced to it for a while back. I think by Christian originally and now I participate in that team and I help them, but essentially the idea is saying, where are we and how can we be better? And what are we doing and what are the things that we can improve within our organization to be more mature in our practices? And governance is just such a big word in terms of well, are we doing this and are we doing that and what decisions are we making? But more importantly, where are we when we talk about citizen development? What are we doing for our community? What are we doing to help them and how can we mature that to a point that we're getting the most out of it? We're optimizing the opportunity. And I think the Microsoft maturity model, in my opinion, does a fantastic job of saying, let's kind of step back and look at this from an optimization maturity level and then let's apply that to the applications. And a lot of times what we find is that it's not, like Max said, it's not about the applications, it's not about the technology, it's about the people, it's about the process, it's about the culture that underlies all of this more than it is the technology. But how are we optimizing those things so that the technology is being used in the way it's supposed to be being used and being, how are we getting the most value out of it? Yeah, that's it. I find that governance for Power Platform is not something you buy. It's less about the tool and it's more about the mentoring and the advocacy. Then it is the control from that traditional IT view that we may have had from many years ago where we lock everything down and prevent people from doing things. It's not about preventing, it's about enabling, hopefully with the right safeguards in place. So interesting topic. I could not agree more. If you're turning something off saying, you know what, if somebody comes to me and they have a need for it, we'll turn it on, then I can come to you.  They won't know it exists. Yep. Well, one of the things to the earlier topic about building solutions, somebody that just needs something to work today and they go and build something, never intending for it to be an enterprise, a company-wide solution, we're looking for that. But the mistake that's made, and we saw this through for those of us that come up through the SharePoint ranks with SharePoint solutions, and there's a reason why Microsoft has moved away from that messaging of SharePoint is not a Swiss Army knife. You should not be building all these other solutions where there are point solutions that even Microsoft has as well as third parties that are specific around there. There's things that it's meant to do and things that it does very well, but you shouldn't just go build everything within it. Can you build an issue tracking solution on top of SharePoint? Like you can, and depends on the scale that you want for that, or, hey, there's a Microsoft list template for the lightweight that just does that. But one thing that I'd even started seeing work within my own organization now is where there is part of the governance process, like, you know, citizen developers go and create things. And even within teams, there's a process of like, I went and I requested, and it's an immediate turnaround time. I'm provisioning as part of our provisioning process for a new team, but there's purpose. It asks me a bunch of questions around it. And then at time intervals, IT reaches back out and says, is this still active? Is this still the purpose? Is this the right people involved? And so as part of that governance process, they're going back and checking, and that's where it fits into the citizen developer as well. It's fine to go and build these solutions, but there should be natural checkpoints after 30 days, then after six months, or whatever it is that you build into it, where you're going back and having a conversation is this still the intended purpose, or do we need to do something else around this? Is this being adopted more broadly and do we need to be looking at building a more scalable, supportable enterprise-wide solution? And it comes back to, it's not about the technology, it's about having the conversations and building that, and to some degree, and this has been my experience, historically, it's the consistency in having those conversations. People then build trust, well, they know that, hey, I can go do something on the fly today because I need it. No one's gonna stop me from doing that within the guardrails, the security compliance guardrails, but they'll come back and check with me, because I've already been, I've been with my company for a year now, with that point, one year, and I've had a couple things I went and created early on where they came back as part of that process and was that still needed? It's like, no, I forgot that I created that asset, yes, we can archive, that we can retire that thing. It was great to see that, and I have more trust in the process now, having seen that work. I mean, I've seen that. Well, I think the keyword you said was sustainability, because you can build this stuff and it has to be, if that person leaves who built it, then that's where, Sharon, you're not in your head because that's where we usually get called into fixed stuff because it broke after the person that created it left, and nobody knew how they did it. I'll go back a couple of years after I built a solution and go, how the heck did I do that? I don't remember how I did it. So, let's just well document it. It comes back to the importance of overall architecture and enterprise architecture and enterprise requirements management and analysis, which I think is a little bit considered a luxury good in our world. And when the economy kind of goes down, I think architecture and analysis and BAs are probably a lot of times the first people to be cut because they don't consider them essential, but truthfully, when we think about modern architecture, I think they're becoming more and more important to long-term sustainability. So, one of my favorite stories, you said BAs, one of my favorite stories is, I went to visit a federal customer a few years ago, we did an all day workshop, they brought in their SharePoint admin, their Exchange admin, they had 10 different admins in the room, and then the CTO came in and out a couple of times, and they had one person for marketing and communications. And we went through the day, we documented all this stuff, and they constantly reminded us of the whole do more with less mantra that has become the IT cornerstone for how not to do, but we're going to do IT. And I sat down with the CTO on the way out, I'm like talking about your lessons learned, what did you take away from this? He went, so two years ago, we got rid of all of our BAs. And they were just looking now at rolling out M365 to a group of scientists from the age of college to 90 who won't retire. And he's just like, the number one takeaway is I have to go back and hire BAs. Like, how can I support this? How can I be a mission enabler if I don't have people who can sit down and do requirements analysis and figure out how do those requirements meet the technology? You mentioned BAs and I could go off for an hour on just that conversation. And the SDLC comes full circle. Right. So I started my career as a BA, so a technical writer and BA, so that's where I started 30 years ago. But I'd say on the other end of the customer journey that just like we need BAs at the front end of that process and throughout, but it really at the front end of that, you know, success on the backend is essentially like the flip side of the BA. It's at the end of that. And when you look at the customer relationship and you look at retention and, you know, and all those facts, you know, having customer success, it's so many businesses and Microsoft included is recognizing how important that role really is. Just to clarify, when you say BA, we're talking about business analysts and not how that acronym can be used for anything. Correct. Business analysts, yes. Business analysts in general. And a lot of times business analysts go by other titles such as architects, solution architect, data analyst, but essentially, yeah, that kind of architecture analyst role I think in general is coming back. Yeah, the person who can translate between the business need and the technological capability. Patrick. So what you're saying is for good governance and good maturity, companies really need to understand what their full investment into technology is. And it's not just a matter of hiring a bunch of devs and admins to click buttons, that there's actually more to it. Right. It's funny. Governance is really about having shared understanding and agreeing on a path forward, a plan. Yeah, that's what it's saying. Yeah, are we recording? Is this ready to go yet or?


Thanks to a quick tip from listener Ben this week You can use three fingers to swipe to the left to undo and You can use three fingers to swipe to the white to swipe to the white Swipe to the white mr. Fudd swipe to the right to redo Tips more tips like this today on Mackie gab 946 for Monday September 12th 2022 books and welcome to Mackie gab 946 The show where you send in your tips. 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I'm Dave Hamilton And here in Fairfield, Connecticut Not having yet purchased the new phone, but I probably will This is Jonathan On the golden tag from corn, Deutschland Afternoon gents pilot Pete here Dave great minds think alike because when you're asking Jonathan if he had a quick tip to start the show and he said man You said well, I've got one. That's exactly what I was thinking of going there three fingers swipe And I was gonna add to it. Yeah, you can go to the right to redo left I do right redo. It's a cool tip I bet there's more. I bet there are more. Yeah, I bet there are more in fact I have a quick tip from Jeff that That is well it also involves swiping, but it's a little bit different Says you probably know that if you enter a number incorrectly in the iPhone calculator You can press C to cancel and re-enter the correct number But did you know that you can simply erase a digit from the number? You are currently entering by swiping left or right on the actual number. You are entering at the time Save typing in re-typing the whole number if it's long because it's usually only the last digit that you fat fingered Of course, you may want to remind listeners that rotating the iPhone sideways into landscape mode Converts the iPhone calculator into a full scientific calculator. So that's two quick tips in one and we were hitting three Three three things for for many of us. I is I always forget I didn't know about the swiping about any of the swiping we've talked about the three fingers the one finger any of that I did know about the scientific calculator, but I always forget that. So I love the reminder. So thank you, Jeff It'd be nice if it was a graphing calculator. I bet there's an app for that. There it is. Yeah, of course. Yeah, plenty plenty of them No, it's cool that um This came up one time with one of the games that I'm still playing though Some people are not anymore, but in Pokemon go there was actually One situation were in order to evolve the creature. You had to turn the phone upside down Seriously, yeah, that's pretty cool. Huh? I mean sometimes to evolve something it puts a little question mark next to it Saying well, I'm not gonna tell you exactly what you need to do That's fascinating. I like that Like that's that whole let me it's some creativity. I like it All right, that's pretty good um Fun fun fun. I'm trying to think if I have anything interesting like that to share I don't so uh, I'm going to go to steve who has his own sort of PSA to share with us He says following up on your hdmi cable discussion recently I upgraded my apple tv remote to the latest steve remote after upgrading the remote periodically lost its connection to the apple tv device They would connect and disconnect at least three or four times per hour. Oh, okay. That's bad He says I called apple support assuming I had a faulty remote However, after being escalated to a senior engineer, they told me that the problem was likely an unshielded hdmi cable They recommended a shielded hdmi cable which I installed and the problems have not come back since So the moral of the story is hdmi cable speed isn't the only issue you can have Shielding can impact performance too I didn't even know That like I've never seen that distinction when buying hdmi cables Yeah, I had no idea that's cool Yeah, I I don't know why so I you know, I I think to my the audio world that I live in and most uh, it's so like buying like quarter inch cables, which would be like a guitar cable For example, that's what it would look like that, you know the the thicker headphone jack But a monophonic cable and I and this would this would go with stereo cables too, but uh for instruments for instrument cables like that And patching things together you would get a shielded cable because because of issues like this You don't want your guitar picking up, uh, you know the the uh, you know the local radio station and have a spinal tap moment However, if you are using That same type of cable or that those same connectors I should say to connect a powered amplifier to a speaker and you're running More juice across the cable. It's likely to heat up and the shielding can melt So for speakers you would use an unshielded cable I can't imagine a world where you would need an hdmi cable to be unshielded for heat reasons So I so I I don't know why an hdmi cable would need to be unshielded is what i'm trying to say But evidently they exist money Cheaper Yeah, cheaper to build unshielded right fair sure Yeah, yeah And then you wish pay me now or pay me later then you got to go buy a shielded one Pay me now and pay me later. Yeah, they're exactly. Yeah, I got those cables you recommended, Dave Um, okay, I think it's working.  Um, it'll come up and say analog And I'm like no So they're both analog and digital inputs for uh for audio and for whatever reason it thinks that there's something hooked up To the analog ports, which there's not so I don't know I reset it again and now it seems to be Better, but I like it. Cool Interesting. Well, it's awesome to me like john has an excuse to go out and buy an all new home theater system From the ground up. I think well, I did identify a newer Um Sony tuner that explicitly supports ER the one that I have now. I think just does regular arc and maybe that's the problem I don't know. Well, let's have that conversation as part of our mackey keb home theater zoom Which is happening on sunday night The sunday night after this releases we record on fridays So for anybody in the live chat at live dot mackey keb.com. It's not It's sunday the 18th at 4 30 p.m So sunday afternoon for some of us sunday morning for some late sunday night for others, but and if you're hearing this just now Go hop in your time machine go back to last night and So, yeah, we sunday Was I not supposed to release the time machine? No, not yet pete. That's our one more thing. No, that's fine So, yeah, yeah, it's like that's a good conversation to have because the question the real question is do you even need Uh an avr like is that the is that the best way to go? And then that's that questions like this will be discussed It'll be fun. Uh, we'll meet in discord, but we will do it as a zoom hangout because Uh discord seems to limit it to 25 video participants and last time we had a lot more than that Some people were upset because we didn't realize you were being excluded It is not our goal to exclude anyone. In fact, it's quite the opposite. We are so inclusive here. We welcome android and windows users It's true. It's a safe place for everybody uh greg has greg scott something that He was having a weird issue Where his apps were routinely being asked Or routinely asking him to reauthenticate their security preferences full disk access things like that and he thought it was uh default folder causing this trouble and thankfully that's what he thought because he started working with john goto the the the proprietor of st. Clair software and the developer of many things including default folder and john's a smart dude and pointed greg in the right direction of Issuing a terminal command that sort of wipes out that database. It forces you to do it for each app one more time But when that database gets corrupted, that's often the issue is wipe it out and and let that happen again And so he gave us the terminal command. He shared that with us and that is uh, This is typed out in the show notes for uh, macchicab 946 You can go to macchicab.com and go to 946 or you can go to mgg.fm slash 946 and it'll bring you right there But the command just for anybody following along is sudo Tcc util reset all and the all I evidently has to have a capital a Who knows why but uh, but well that that command is is on the web You can just go copy and paste it. You don't have to remember it, but um, but yeah So I had no idea about that command. Did you guys know anything about it? I did i've seen t tcc util once or twice, but yeah, I did not know that specifically So that's great. It's fantastic. 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I don't believe it's going to solve james's problem because I think he's tried it but But that would be for me that would be step one. Well, that would be As long as step zero is make a backup then that would be step one step two Uh or attempt to would be I would build a smart mailbox to filter to that date range and see what it comes up with You can then filter even further down by you know sender and and that way it can encompass messages from all mailboxes You this may or may not work because you're saying that search doesn't find these duplicate messages And so I don't know What the functionality the smart mailbox is going to use to like whatever's keeping search from seeing it Would it also keep smart mailboxes from seeing it? I don't know but we try to answer these questions with the If I were there, here's what I would try next approach and that's what I would try next What do you uh do john do you have any anything that you would try next? um For whatever call in onyx. There are two different options for rebuilding the mail database. Okay, try both of them Fair unfortunately like the version of onyx. I have on here is Old so I can't tell you exactly but it's in there somewhere last last I look I highly recommend using mac updater Because that way it you if you let that run all the time then it will tell you when you know I I probably run mac updater once a week on all of my max And it's for exactly this reason right like if it's an app I use every day It will tell me when I launch it that it needs an update and then I do the update and everything's fine But for the apps that I use, you know, once in a blue moon kind of thing like onyx I want it to be up to date when I go to run it and mac updater sort of keeps me up to date So to speak I it's I love that software. It's one of my favorite apps Which is kind of crazy to say but anyway back to the mail question. Pete. Yeah, yeah, so I think uh speaking of updating I think clean my mac will also Help you update your keep keep you up to date on your programs. I'm wondering. I'm assuming he's using imap So I'm wondering if changing clients may help Oh So you're okay, so let's Let's let's unpack that a little bit. I like this idea If his archive mailbox is in he has put things in if all of these folders exist on imap Then yes checking the server for them and seeing what you know, are these dupes on the server or are they just some In your client. Yeah, some ghost in your client kind of thing because if that's if every if it truly is an imap Like if it's an issue with your local cache from the imap server then Really just deleting The the mailbox entirely from your mac and re adding it would force it to rethink with that imap database And that might be another solution here Yeah Yeah, it but if they are in on my mac folders, then obviously that doesn't that doesn't help us but But then I'm wondering that idea. Yeah. Yeah, and then the other thing I wonder then is even maybe possibly changing clients I know there's a free client out there called thunderbird, which I've used in the past and I don't know why I'm not on it now I have found it giving to give me more granular control than mac mail Um, and I'm wondering if there's any other clients out there that are worth of darn I know that there's uh, there's paid sir. I forget the name of the paid service And I'm pretty sure you use it Okay, uh No, do you not use a paid service about the smartly, uh, sort your mail I I do but it wouldn't that wouldn't be I use sandbox to to keep my inboxes and all of my mailbox That's what I was thinking of managed and and it's don't get me wrong. It's great I couldn't like I don't want to even consider having to like run my life without it But that wouldn't that wouldn't be something to help in this. It wouldn't help fix this. Yeah. Yeah, but there is spark Uh, which is a paid mail mac os mail app But yeah, if you're just going to try it for the sake of trying it thunderbirds free and and very well supported It's from the the mozilla foundation the people that make firefox. So um, yeah, it's a it if I weren't going to use my issue with using non First party mail clients aka not apple mail Is I am reliant on the developer to keep? Their client up to date for the operating systems that I'm running and and that was the issue I ran into in the past, right? Like I used udora. I used mail smith and those things were like they were Not as they were not kept as up to date as I would like them before they were end of life If that makes sense and mail smith might not have even been end of life But I you know, there there were these these sort of diminishing returns on those apps Before they actually were just like, yeah, hey, you shouldn't be using this anymore And and so that's when I'm when I think it was when mac os 10 Like the os 10 the the og os 10 Which I think was called mac os 10 came out that I moved to mail app and haven't looked back Uh, and I've been happy about that But if I were going to if something happened with mail app that just made it untenable for me Uh thunderbird would be the first thing I'd look at simply because it is cross platform And because of that kept up to date with everything because it's through the mozilla foundation So I it's it's not a smaller development company Where if they decide this isn't you know a profitable thing It's tough to be a profitable mac mail client is I guess what I'm trying to say here Because apples is so functional for so many people and Despite them making it more difficult. It really still is quite extensible And so there's third-party extensions that can add on to mail app and all that So it's tough to be in the business of of competing with free and included with the operating system Yeah, yeah, you'd have to offer something really compelling To to convince us to switch And for some people that's just a different user experience, right? Like they don't like the way mac mail app does they do like the way spark does it and that's enough like they're in And I guess if you're on all imap all the time Then switching mail clients isn't quite as big of a deal as it was in the past Right because yeah, you're having to migrate everything over to a new client. It's already there for you. It's kind of already there. Yeah yeah, so You know, but still it's hard to compete with with free and included and guaranteed to be up to date Right. There's there's zero chance that when I install ventura my mail client is going to be uh, You know, I've got to wait for an update a compatibility update like it's baked in it's it's already there. Yeah So that's it's a hard it's a hard thing Yeah, because there are some features in third-party mail clients that I look at and I'm like, uh, that would be good But I don't know. I don't know I do so much of my life in email, right? Yeah, because sadly we all do by the hundreds of males in my Yeah, exactly Nay thousands nay thousands. Yeah, exactly exactly. Yeah All right. Well Shall we um Shall we move on to listener john? Yeah, sure. Let's talk frog Let's talk um For folks that have the apple card. I've learned some things I wasn't aware of that listeners made like to know I had a questionable charge show up on my apple card I get a notification for every charge that shows up on my watch I went to the wallet into the section for the apple card scrolling down I find a transaction when I clicked on the right pointer. I saw it was done at 3 a.m. When I was asleep At the bottom is a link to report an issue which I could contest the charge or just indicate I didn't recognize the vendor which is what applied to me Now here's where the neat stuff starts when I clicked to report the issue I was taken to the messages app where a message reported that someone would be right and with me From the apple team at goldman sex In about a minute someone joined the conversation And they confirmed that I still had my card and hadn't loaned it to anyone We'll have to issue you a new number. Great. I'm thinking now I've had to do this before with other cards and always get the you'll receive your new card in the 7 to 10 business days Yep um Within 10 seconds she texted okay, you have a new number and it's in your phone iphone's wallet along with a new cv number Uh, I was stunned now. I understand why there is no number on the card Uh, she also added you might want to consider going to the apple card in your wallet Click on the icon for the card in the upper right corner And then turn on advanced fraud protection This will allow us to change your cv code from time to time Further preventing the use of your card and even your card information is stolen Finally, she added that they would go ahead and show I was contesting the charge I didn't know about any of this, but I thought it was pretty cool um I'll add one cool thing that I've run into and then you guys can chime in here. I'm sure you guys got uh follow-ups here um So I decided to get a new discoverer card Uh, this is actually probably kind of relevant. So I decided to get a new Discover card you can get a custom background. Um, not all cards are for this But they offer it. I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of bored with the background on my current one So I picked a new one And which one did you pick inquiring minds one if we're going to take this tangent I want to go all the way. Which one did you pick? Uh, the old one I had was a tape cassette. Yep But the new one I picked is a boombox Ah, nice. All right um So anyways, but here was the thing within I think within A day or well, I got an email from them saying yeah, we got your order from the new card But then when I looked at my wallet the background had changed on it, Dave Oh in in your apple wallet. Yes Before I got the the physical card, right, right. Oh, that was neat So, uh, so I think this is relevant because I think If your card is in your apple wallet things like this may be able to happen with other cards Or I guess the story is I've seen things happen to things in the wallet before I got the physical card That resolved whatever issue I had sure What what I'm curious what other things if you can remember what other things you've seen because your wallet doesn't have um I guess it would have your actual card number. Yeah, because I've seen I had to have one of my card numbers replaced And I saw it change in my wallet before I got the new card. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah Yeah Oh, yeah, interesting fun. I like it. Yeah. Yes. And then we have a note here. I think it's from uh, our friend brian, but um You can freeze a card temporarily also Um and a lot of cards or their apps will allow you to do that as well Yeah, at least I know discover does you just say, you know, shut it off Yeah, and then if somebody has especially your physical card, um, it won't work And they'll get in trouble Yeah And and a reminder that you can share with family and limit spending apple offers all of that now things they did not offer when they When the card first came out, so I should use my I have almost never used my apple card um, largely because Most of my technology purchases are our business expenses And so I want to run those through the business and there is no apple card for business yet I don't know that there ever will be uh, that's not a that's not That wasn't a a you know, sub tweeted apple. It's just a reality of things I don't know that it makes sense for them to offer that but um But there there are like there are benefits to it The rewards programs there are pretty good. So yeah, yeah, interesting What do you Pete? What you got some thoughts on this? What you guys stole all my thunder, uh, except for one thing Yeah, no, no worries. No, that's great stuff Yeah, one you can you can share with people that are in your family you can so my daughter's away at college and so she has I have shared with her and then and Like you said, you can limit the spending if you if you need to or want to fortunately She's not a spendthrift so I'm good with that. Yeah, but the she did misplace her card last week. She was at the Oh, no, I don't have it I'm just going to acknowledge Pete's in Germany and uh while his connection has been fantastic during the show there are going to be moments like this. So Share that again you you got up to the point where you had said your daughter's not a spendthrift and things were fine and and and then That's when that's where you begin to lose yours. Yeah But uh, but you can you can limit their spending to you know, whatever you set 25 a month a hundred a month What have you and then the same thing with the uh Uh, you can you can lock the card. She misplaced her card. I was able to lock it She texted me back said hey I found the card and then on freeze it. So you're good to go Amazing, but I did have one other experience that I found really good You know the whole seven to ten business days. I thought oh, I'm in for this When my son and I drove to florida to take him to camp I gave him the card to pay for something and he forgot to give it back to me And then he went to camp and three days later. I had forgotten. I'd loaned him the apple card And so I'm like, uh, it's gone. I've misplaced it. I looked everywhere called apple called goldman sacks and They fed x'd me a new card To my non-home address once they verified who I was and I'd sure all that I I said, you know, I kind of need it before I drive home Which gave them two weeks to get it to me and they fed x'd me ahead at the next day in hand I was like, wow, so they are Not trying to turn this into an apple card commercial No, I'm I'm glad to hear that because that's one of the things I I've You know We all have our reasons for being loyal to the the banks and service providers that we used in general, right And and one of them that keeps me loyal to both american express and city bank Which is the companies that I've used for my credit most of my credit cards for most of my adult life are Things exactly like that where once I once I've convinced them. I'm the dave hamilton I say I am Then you know, I've had the amix overnight me a card to a hotel Without without even a flinch, you know And so I I like knowing that If I make that phone call That it's going to end in success and I'm glad to hear that that's true with the apple card as well I mean, it's not surprising, right? It's not apple doing this. It's goldman sacks doing this They're in the business of doing this. They've been doing this for a long time far longer than their deal with apple So that's good to hear. That's great And and just as the side note the part of their benefit is is the cash back, right?  Just pay for it with that and Okay, so this this is going to show my ignorance, which I'm happy to do this the whole point of the show is learning Uh, I I as I said, I don't use my apple card enough to even know what that experience is like When you get cash back for your For your apple card purchases that goes into your apple pay cash Bucket, yes, is that right? Yes it does and then for those of you on video, right? You know, there it is It comes up and and There it is. So you can see my balance, you know, I got almost 200 dollars in my apple cash right now I've never put money in there. It's just amazing. It just shows up. So when I you know, if I'm at best buy it I want that hundred dollar thing. I could go do it now and All right, you know, okay. Yeah, it's nice. It's it's way to spend money with without feeling like you're spending money Yeah, it's yours. See now now I want an apple business card so that that it can fuel cash To any account I choose and it may or may not be a personal one I would check with my accountant before reporting or not reporting that on my taxes, of course, and I advise you all to do the same That's all I have to say about that Now by default though, I don't think The apple cash card is included in your wallet, right? Oh, I think it is the apple pay cash I think that's I think it is just because I never went and got it Yeah, it just showed up one time. Oh the fact the first time we were uh, I was with a friend We were scuba diving on a trip and he I said, you know, just Venmo me the money He goes, I can't do that. What's your phone number? He gave it to me I gave it to him and he sent it his apple cash and then my card appeared. I got okay Yeah, no, that's that's there in the wallet. I think by default what what makes you think it wasn't maybe maybe I mean Maybe there's a good reason. No, I think probably when I got my apple card to probably put it in there for me It's not linked but you don't need an apple I know all three of us have apple cards, but you don't need an apple card to have apple cash in your wallet Like the two are the two are unrelated because I like I pay the woman who cuts my hair with apple pay cash and she loves it because For the same reason you love having your sort of found money there She's like, oh, yeah, if my kids need, you know, five bucks ten bucks I can you know, I know that I've got some money that's just sort of floating there and I can send it to them It's like, yeah, it's good Yeah, and I believe you can use that as a debit card. I think it's actually a discovered debit card I think that's right. That's correct. Yeah, I think that's I think yeah Did they change from discover? I there's something in my you know murky memory banks that says that they they changed I think you can even look at that card details Uh, oh, yeah, uh, so this is visa visa debit now visa debit. Yeah Yeah, gold murky memory banks. I wonder if you it doesn't it, you know, my pin comes up as I won't say what it is, but I know what I think ours is the same Pete. I I'm Seeing the same thing on our pins as being it's all great else like you can't change. Okay. All right. Yeah Well, that's not mine. Nope. That's dave That's daves. Yeah. Yeah, so here we are sharing our pin numbers like it's nothing. Yeah, there you go and The other thing I will add just briefly on there talking about the cards is you hit the You go into your apple wallet and you touch on the card So it comes up if you scroll down you see all your spending but in the top right There's three dots and that's where you get into the granular Control over sharing it with somebody locking a card Um finding what your available credit is That sort of thing. So that's how you get there It's the three dots up there once you've got your card And if you need to see your account number right next to it There's a little icon of a credit card that says one two three You touch on that and you can see your card number to give to somebody But as john said if you allow them to change that Don't give that number to somebody that's going to be a recurring payment because it isn't going to work forever They're going to change it. Well, that may not be true. Pete. Oh, okay. Good point. Yeah, good point My american express when that number changes my recurring bills keep hitting and they are because because what they do and Even amazon does this like I still am billing A credit card number that's like too old for all of my amazon purchases or most of them anyway And uh, and it's because what they do is when you put your card number in they go get a token From the bank and they don't store your card number. They store that token that only allows amazon to make purchases, right? So it's it's a whole lot more. It's kind of like like, uh Two-factor authentication is the wrong thing. Maybe like security is amazing, but I know what you mean. Yeah The question doesn't work anywhere else. It's how it works when we uh When you sign up for mac geek app premium, which I'm actually we're gonna talk a little bit about that later in the show But it's the same thing we get a token from you that we can you know charge recurring payments to if you give us permission to do that Uh, but uh, but yeah, yeah that way we don't have your number But also we don't need you to update it if your card number changes. So yeah, it's pretty good All right John while we're on the subject of these cards and such I think donna had a nice tip for us. Yeah Uh, yeah, and actually two tips. All right even better Uh, so yeah, so uh, she sent her the thing saying here's a special offer I thought you might want to share from your listeners get six percent cash back At night with apple pay through october 15th um Yeah, so that's that's it. So uh, and they have all if you go to the main apple card page in the fine print you will see these Okay, um, and what else do we see here? Uh, plus unlimited three percent daily cash back. Yeah, that's um And they kind of mentioned it here, but here's my question. Dave How did she find out about this?  So I now turned it on so I can learn about these There's two other choices apps music tv and more and I get those and then apple news newsletter. Okay So this is in iphone settings app. Is that right? 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All right, I mean until I started changing things on my own but um I mean the first thing that I noticed uh, that was different Is there's now a spotlight search field on Your home screen Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah, um Now I can um Now I but I did find something that was different and I think very clever dav if I can just Give you this mini little tip So first off we'll link to an article if you want to find out what's in ios 16 There's apah has an article that lists all of the new features, but this one wasn't listed dav so um So I got a bogus message in my messages um, you know I think everybody gets these it's like oh your amazon is deactivated click on this link and it's not an amazon link So you know i'm like oh man um, here's what happened though. So I got one of these dav And I went to delete it and then I got a dialogue saying You can report this conversation as junk by sending it to a horizon and apple From your phone number like that's a that's a horizon feature. I don't think that's an ios 16 feature I could be wrong about the thing is the thing is I got a dialogue Asking me if I wanted to report it normally you have to do this manually and you can Are they normally you text to uh spam or something like that? No, no No, this is this has been there for a long time the report junk button. This is not ios 16 This must just be It must be new to you for the first time. I don't oh maybe it is all ever seeing it when I deleted a bogus text Interesting. Okay. So yeah, warren in the chat room is saying that this is ios 16 I thought that message had been there for a long time Maybe not. All right. All right. Yeah, thank thank you for that then. Sorry about that my uh Here it is interesting. Yeah, it's not coming up. I'm on 15 still. I didn't do the beta and it's not I'm only offered a chance to delete it. Um, that'd be great. Yeah, so it must be using machine learning Um to look at the text of it and say, okay, that's not right Right, right. Yeah. Well, no, it's I think it's looking and seeing that this is a number that's not in your contacts And that's I yeah, I don't think it's I don't think there's machine learning happening there I think it's it's just because it even says This sender is not in your contact list report junk Like that's that's the the dialogue and and I and that's really all it is because I've had that from other people too Where it's like, oh, yeah, I know this is so let let me take us down a rabbit hole with a question then Yeah, because here's what I frequently do I I will when I get a text like that that I don't want or a phone call Telling me that you know car warranties out of date or what have you I will then I will block that number Or I will block that sender, but I will also add them to my block sender's Contact which has hundreds of of numbers in there. I'm wondering if I ought to delete that block sender's contact So that it come up as not being In my contacts Oh, I see what you're well, I mean, yeah, I've created a contact called block senders which has hundreds of numbers and email addresses sure thing and So that if they do call back they come up as block sender spam risk that sort of thing But why wouldn't you just add that to your blocked contacts? Yeah, like there is a blocked contacts list that you can add things to I wonder if I I would I thought I created it, but maybe I add them in my contacts list. I have a a contact named block senders and I think that's Yeah, blocked senders and it's hundreds of emails or phone numbers and a few emails Did I create that or did Apple create that at some point now that there's another question That I to which I do not have the answer however Is it in your contacts list? Yeah, see here. I'll go into here. It's I'll show it on the video. But yeah, that's one of my contacts blocked senders And it has literally More even more numbers than emails, but I do emails as well because someone will sometimes from an email No, no, that's that's something you created Because the block contacts is if you go into settings phone And iOS settings to follow the protocols iOS settings for iPhone settings is really we should say phone blocked contacts Then you can add numbers there And you can do the same with a mail. Yeah Yeah, so and that's not new to ios 16. All right, so we found one feature that's new to ios 16 Let's keep moving here because I think there's some bigger ones that the one I've been using and quite frankly like the most is the the customizable home screen So for those of you who have Apple watches the user experience of this will be very very Similar to how you customize your watch faces You you just pull up your home screen you tap long on it and Then you get not only can you customize a home screen, but you can have multiple home screens And as an aside you can have them chosen by different focus modes And when you go into customize you get the ability to add widgets now Hopefully starting monday we'll start seeing some third-party apps that can also populate these widgets But I've been using Apple's widgets. I can change what the time looks like But I can also set different little Pieces of information to be up there. So on on my main home screen I have the weather up on the left and it's just the current weather Which is nice to have updated all the time and then on the right I've actually chosen to have the this kind of mini stock price widget Mainly because I have a business interest in another thing where the price of bitcoin Actually kind of matters the business isn't really based on bitcoin, but it's a long story But anyway, I I like to know what the the current price of bitcoin is because I have to look it up every now and then And it's nice to just have it on my home screen and so boom. That's right where it is and it's it's great But you can have your activity rings there. You can have home settings. So you can turn your lights on and off You can have different time zones. You can have your calendar stuff And then hopefully you can have your battery statuses And hopefully other apps start adding things there soon, too. So yeah, I've got a question Yeah, man, please so so you said the focus mode can change your home screen Yeah, can you in geolocation or geofencing change your home screen or If not, I suppose can you geofence or geolocate your focus mode? Like when you get in the car and automatically drive that that'll change to driving You're right. Yeah, so let me let me go to automations here so i'm going to create a personal automation in the shortcuts app And I am going to say when I arrive at this address, you know, because that way it knows I'm home at any time range Uh, I can add an action Can I change the focus mode? Yes, I can set focus So there you go. Can I change my lock screen? I don't uh Set orientation lock set water lock No, I can't so it would be a double thing You set a focus mode based on a location and then have that lock screen tied to a focus mode. And so yes, you can I love shortcuts. Yeah, super easy That's I yeah the thing I love about it is you don't have to know what you don't know Right, you can just go into automation You start creating a new one You're like, can I trigger a thing based on this and you can just look through the list of triggers And oh, it's like, oh, look you can do that great. Okay, great And then all right, what what actions can I do? Well, you look through the list of actions and you can obviously filter it down like I just did But um, but yeah, I I love Do you use shortcuts a bunch Pete? Is that a thing or automations? I should say yeah automations Yeah, I'm more and more I am and there was actually one and of course I can't think of what it is now that uh, you guys discussed Probably a year or so ago and I've never gotten it to work and I keep meaning to ask you about it So I have to figure out what it is and Sure. Yeah. Um, we uh Yeah, we have we have we have a show where we actually answer questions. Just yeah, only there's a way to Feedback at mackey gab dot com Yes I think all the way from germany. Yeah feedback mackey gab dot com Yeah, there's only one thing I didn't like about the home screen So there's also a whole bunch of other things you can do. I guess you can cycle through photos You can do uh emojis and we should say lock screen. I kept saying home screen to john, but it's yeah, it's locked No, it's fine. It's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so Keep going. Sorry. The only thing I didn't like is that as far as I can tell you can only add two widgets If you try to add another one, it's like nope That's correct. Yeah. Yeah, you well, you can add yeah two I don't know if you can add one big one or two little ones, but but yes, I've I've done the two little ones thing Yeah, I would I would like more it typical apple thing, right? They they they roll out a feature Put up, you know hard boundaries See how people use it Expand the boundaries next year, etc. etc. So yeah, and I do like getting notifications on the bottom Yes, yes, I think that's a nicer way of doing it. Um, I I agree Um, I like so there's there's new features in both mail and messages that I've been enjoying more so Mail out of the gate than messages and the the thing I like the most in mail The newest feature that I like the most is delayed send. This is something I've used on my mac with a um With a third-party plug-in for a while, but if you go into settings mail And I'm gonna find it here to make sure I send everybody to the right spot But if you go to settings mail, I believe it's in yeah, it's all the way at the bottom of your mail settings on iphone you can Set an undo send delay And so I've got mine set at 30 seconds and it's amazing right because yet you click send And it waits 30 seconds before it actually leaves your device And you can set it to 10 20 or 30 on my mac I have it set to two minutes by the way. I would like a higher number here on my mac or on my iphone This has been sorry go ahead john Well, no, I think you're mixing features here. Uh, are you talking send later or undo send? I'm talking the undo send Okay, I thought you were talking about send later. Okay, right You can you can send you can set a message to send in a scheduled send in the future No, this is undo send where every message I send is now and I had to to choose this by default It's off I chose 30 seconds And I can't tell you how many times over the past couple of years that I've been doing this on my mac It has saved my butt because I'll you know reply to an email Hit send and then it's like oh wait. I should have asked about this or oh I should have like it happens all the time It it I and I know it happens to all of us right you send an email and you're like oh I forgot to add a thing or I forgot to whatever or Maybe that wasn't the best way to say that and so go ahead. Yeah to get a bit personal um Yeah, sometimes mostly with family and that's all I'm gonna say um There may be an email that you want to write But delete it when you're done because sure sending it Can result in turmoil Sure, absolutely say I received one or two emails in the past where I'm like, yeah, you probably shouldn't have sent that through email We probably should have done this another way. Yeah voice is good. Exactly. No, that's right I will often Do that where I will I will use email to compose my thoughts But in those instances what I do is make sure that there is no recipient listed on the message Um and that way if I accidentally hit send it's not going anywhere dangerous. So yeah, yeah So that which brings me to a feature that I've wanted for years And I thought yeah, I'll get her I find somebody to help me write an app and make a million bucks with it But sure it's delay send on it.  So and let it sit in apple system So your phone doesn't have to be online. That's interesting. I've I've I've had that exact same thought process to be honest However, it is usually followed up by If that person whomever they might be has not yet learned What do not disturb is and how to use it? This is a fine opportunity to encourage them to do so There you go. Wake up. It's 3 a.m. Yeah, I mean I do not disturb I used to feel bad about that years and years ago And even when do not disturb was in its infancy like, you know, just after it had rolled out But now I mean this has been a feature for years on every device android iphone, you know, it's it's so it's like I kind of expect that people manage their do not disturb settings like right now Uh, if my family's trying to text me I have no idea because I have a focus mode for podcasting that that keeps that Interruption from happening and it's fine Like I've learned how to manage my life to let my phone do what I want Not what it and everybody else that knows the number bonds You know Like I mean you have to do that in today's world and I and I that's one of the things I really love about apples, you know Focus mode feature because it syncs to all my devices and it really speaks to that It's like I get to take control of all of the things that are out of my control If that makes sense like these push notifications and all that stuff. They're They're other people or companies or engines That are attempting to get my attention Some of them that I want to get my attention just not right then and it's I I love the focus modes I I which which again takes me to another question that's supposed to an emergency Dave has notification silence. Do you want to notify? Anyway, can I get through to you when you are in your podcast mode and don't want to be disturbed? It's an emergency. I'm bleeding to death. I need you to help now We'll yeah, my favorites. My favorites can blast through if they want. Oh, got you. There you go All right, but but when to to be extremely anal and specific You are actually in the Podcast focus mode so you can get through to me anytime I am in podcast focus mode It's it's just there's four people on that list and two of them are here And the other two are my co-hosts for gig gap and business brain. So, you know Yeah, and the good news is I'm not bleeding to death. I that was just an example I understand. Yes, right. I'm glad And I found the ss of the the backing up just to close the loop on the shortcut It was ssh to restart my mac. It's talking with tokens and keys and All sorts of things that I don't want to call it Yeah, choose an ssh key and authentication and very and I can't see him to get through to it to just ssh into my mac and restart it from promote but interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, what seemed simple up front drove me nuts for a couple hours and I went out a heck with it I'll ask Dave later and I keep So you've officially been asked Okay. Yeah, we can go through that. Absolutely John one feature that of iowa 16 that you might like and really fit fits into our Our penultimate chat was That the the daily cash hub Which helps you learn how to earn daily cash with your Apple card You can view the lifetime daily cash you've received track your progress towards offers and find the latest bonus daily cash merchants So you're gonna want to like I think daily cash hub in iowa 16 is going to be a john f brawn favorite So what where where is that? Well, I don't know. I'm just reading about it john So I would I mean but let's let's go to apple wallet because that's where I presume it would be and I if I'm wrong I'm you know, it's just how it is See my guess would it be back in the id where earlier we were talking about uh, how to John had the tip about how to sign up for the Emails and such I would have thought it would have been in there under your id and then The phone numbers at email I did find it. So I'm happy to share where it actually is we can all stop guessing Uh, it is in wallet you go to your apple card and then the way I got there was in the upper right corner There's three dots in a circle hit that and choose daily cash And then it shows me, you know, how much cash I've received So I've received uh, $54 and 13 cents in in daily cash lifetime here I'm sure that that pales in comparison to some of you Uh, and then I can then there's all sorts of things I can earn at ace hardware and it just lists all the current offers Uh, and I can I can tap on the ones that matter to me and it teaches me about them. So yeah, there you go Soon to be a john f brawn favorite I like the home app if you you if you use home kit to manage anything in your house the the way you can customize and lay that out is um much better And I think I mentioned on the show carplay. I I like the enhancements, especially the maps in carplay It's just it's a whole lot more robust, which is great. So I'm I'm I'm appreciating that they've got those, you know, fueling reminders and things like that. So It's all good. Um, I did have one problem and it's interesting I've been running the the you know, the ios 16 betas on my daily driver phone for I guess about a month now And I even had them, you know, it was what I was running when we were traveling to dallas for podcast movement Never had a problem. I installed what I believe is well the the current latest, which I believe is the golden master and Likely is the release version that we're all going to get on monday And siri stopped working. I could say hey s lady and It would like show me that it was going to answer and then it would just stop and go back to whatever the heck it was doing and I could like nothing that sometimes She would actually listen to me and then she she'd say after a little bit one moment, you know And then still working on it and this would be for things like hey s lady What time is it not things that require a whole lot of cloud interaction, right? You know and uh And so I started looking into this and I went into settings ios settings siri and search I turned listen for hey s lady off and then back on that did not solve it But I share my path in case any of you run into it And I I don't I'm not convinced it was one thing that solved that it might have been a couple things And then the other thing that I did and I did this after reading a how-to geek article Is I changed the language from us english to uk english And once it finished doing all of its downloads that it had to do siri worked again and then I changed it back to us english and siri still works again so Uh either just changing the language or changing the language and toggling hey s lady on and off I had to go back through the training process when I turned hey s lady back on where it makes you say You know, what's the weather? What's the time? You know several like five phrases or something But uh, but that's that's how I fixed. Hey siri. Sorry Uh, hang on. I gotta make sure all my devices aren't waking up here Um And if anybody runs into that problem either with the beta or not like these were instructions on how to fix it from You know a year ago or something. It wasn't related to ios 16 But uh something in my life broke that I don't know if it was the installation of the latest gm Or if it was just something else, but yeah Strange that if if I was gonna have a problem it it didn't happen with earlier betas it happened with the With the release beta so You know there you go now one question for you. Yeah, man. How do you un beta your device? Oh, man, you have to uh completely wipe it clean. You got to go into dfu mode And and start from scratch Um, and if you have a backup from from ios 15 you could restore to that But otherwise you you know if your backup is from ios 16 And that's the latest that's the that oldest one you have then you can't restore from the backup Yeah All right, I mean it's yeah now removing the profile won't undo it No, removing the profile the pro all the profile does is keeps you up to date with future Versions it will check the beta Update track on apple servers as opposed to the non beta update track for new versions that are newer than what you have So if you install the beta and then remove the beta profile While ios 15 is for example still the current one It will check and we'll say no you have a newer version than than the update track So you're you know, there's nothing to install So if you if yeah, if you're running the beta you should have the profile installed But like on on monday, I will make sure that I am running You know once everything is released and people start posting the the build number on twitter Uh, I will match that with the build number. I have which is ios version 16.0 20 a 362 And presuming that 20 a 362 is the the final release Then I will remove the beta profile and then just let my phone update to you know 16.1 As a release version whenever that comes out Okay, all right, so that's All right, so at some point I should get rid of that Yes, yeah, so so so that changes its awareness of The release version versus the beta version. Is that right release? Yeah, essentially think of it is and I don't know if it is but here's a good way to think of it There are the servers that that update the the that push beta updates to your phone And there are the servers that push release updates to your phone and the profile Chooses which of those servers it's looking at Right. I mean, I don't I that's probably technically incorrect, but it's a decent way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah Yeah Uh, but but to to Warren in the chat room points out if let's say you're on the beta profile and you leave it on the beta profile If apple pushes 16.1 to the release servers, you're not looking at the release servers You're looking at the beta servers and so you wouldn't get 16.1 You would it would just be like, yeah, I'm getting the latest thing from the ios 16.0 Update, you know beta servers and so I'm not going to get anything else. So yeah, you you probably do want to remove the profile Or I think you would need to install and I somebody Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think once like 16.0 is released There's no more updates that come On that channel. I think you would have to install the profile for 16.1 But I'm not I it's been so long since I've stayed on a beta profile after release that I don't know So I could be 100 percent incorrect about that. So Just be be aware. I highly recommend turning off automatic updates I do automatic downloads, but not automatic updates for software updates during the beta especially because I just want to know Yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, so porthos john in the in the live chat corrects me the profile continues into the beta channel for all ios 16 beta updates not just 16.0 Beta updates. So you would get the 16.1 betas So you probably yeah once you confirm that you're on the release version Then assuming you don't want to stay on the beta channel then turn that off. You remove that profile But yeah remove like rolling back to ios 15 That's a major undertaking Yeah, no, you don't want to do that. That's correct. Yes Correct And apple's always been pretty strict about that not letting you go back to any Previous regardless of whether you're beta or not if you're on 15 you aren't going back to 14 Correct unless you've stored it somehow Yeah, you got to have the whole like tiny umbrella server and all that crazy stuff You know when new yorker magazine asked mark zuckerberg how he gets his news He said the one news source he definitely follows a tech meme for four years now The tech meme ride home podcast has been silicon valley's favorite tech news source The podcast has become so successful in fact that it launched a venture fund where the listeners to the show Are the limited partners in the fund the tech me ride home is like tldr as a service It's not just the latest headlines from the world of tech It's also the context around the latest news of the day It's all the top stories the top posts and tweets and conversations about those stories as well as the behind the scenes analysis Gas who have come on to lend their expertise include andreason horowitz is christ dixon bloomberg's apple rumor k mark german and the folks at tech meme are online all day reading everything so they can catch you up So listen to the one podcast anyone who's anyone in silicon valley listens to every single day Search your podcast app now for ride home and subscribe to the tech meme ride home podcast All right, uh, I want to talk a little about a little bit of uh, macchicab business here if if we can because we've we've been uh Well, there's lots of things that go on here. We mentioned our premium program pretty regularly Uh, and thank our premium supporters sort of Generally, and if you want to learn more about it, you can go to macchicab.com slash premium but the premium program Was started because many of you wanted to support us directly And you found creative ways of doing that before we created a channel to do that for you Or to channel for you to do that And when we first did that channel we started doing We wanted to offer something extra for all of you That wanted to support us directly and so our answer to that was we were doing a couple of extra episodes a month That were that were behind the paywall effectively and after I don't know about a year a year and a half of that Many in fact, I would say most of you premium folks pointed out That this is not What you had in mind You did not want to hide the content from the people who weren't supporting us In fact it both sort of Helping the the community Was one aspect of it and the other aspect was You're the premium listeners your questions were only being shared with other premium listeners And that doesn't help anyone especially not you because if someone if you know One of the three of us doesn't know the answer but someone in the community does well Then we're not getting that hive mind thing that that is sort of the The the juice that makes mac ekeb as special as it is So we took those away and what we realized in that process was that Was something that is now being called value for value in this whole podcasting 2.0 ecosystem where we're putting the content out there And allowing you to decide If you want to contribute something for it and if so how much you would like to contribute for it So we've been doing this value for value thing for a very long time And we did not invent it you invented it you told us that this is what you wanted Told us to just keep doing the show that we're doing don't get distracted by this other stuff In fact, you even said don't worry about like the gifts and all that No, we're sending you this as thanks not for something In addition and it took us a while to wrap our heads around that but but we've learned that that's it And so we we pour our efforts and and our our funds and all of that into creating the best show that we can for you So I wanted to explain what premium is I do want to take a minute and and do something that We should be doing regularly, but we have not been recently and I apologize for that I want to thank the recent contributors to mac e-gab premium And I will I will do it efficiently, but I am very happy to do it So since the beginning of this month and I can't go back since we did this last because otherwise it would just take far too long And I apologize for that Since the beginning of this month, we have had contributions from Tony Lawrence Robert Cain Jason Archibald Matt Comer Jeff Smith Bruce Williamson Eric Vesselberg I think i'm saying that right jonathan white Robert Plime Plimeyer Okay, I've read that name a million times in in email and I've never had to pronounce it And I didn't ever realize they were too wise. So Robert Plimeyer Jon Stanton Jr. Daniel Carroll Anthony Beard Paul Matthias Mark Rigo Frank Adade Drake Zintgraf Joe Barrett Barry Falk Pier Teemo Anderson and James Cox. Thank you.  They will I promise we will we will resume doing this um We are also going to be adding other paths And and and one of the main benefits that you do get as a premium listener is the the the premium at mackeakab.com address Right because folks send into that all the time and uh, we do prioritize those emails, although we also And and most succeeded that succeeded this our goal is every week to get through 100 of the email that comes in And we we almost always do they don't include it all in the show obviously But uh, but we do get through all the all the email, which is great Uh, but we do appreciate you premium folks. And so premium at mackeakab.com is open to everyone who is a Current let's say current supporter and it's up to you What current means, you know, if if you are someone who you know contributes once a month Which you can do on an automated basis or once every six months Which you can do on an automated basis or you contribute on your own schedule Whatever that schedule is if if if in your mind that's current then please use the premium at mackeakab.com address That's it's you know, I'll say it's the honor system, but really it's the value for value system and and I like it There are two paths that we are likely to add shortly here to this again, none of these are mandatory They are just meant to lower the friction points And so whatever works for you is what we're going to add or it's what what you should use and you certainly Shouldn't feel obligated to use more than one of these again less That's what you want to do. It really is your choice. One of them is apple subscriptions We have Avoided this for a very long time because apple's whole subscription model is not built on this value for value thing It's built on the let's provide something extra for the people who pay thing It apple doesn't get the value for value thing that that y'all created They they seem to think that well, you need to offer something extra and it's like I get why you would think that We thought that too and we were wrong and I literally said these things to them When I was hit podcast movement, I had a meeting with them and asked about this and and they were like I'm like who decides how much Like how can a customer decide how much to pay and they're like, oh, no, no, no You get to decide how much they pay like I don't want to decide how much they pay It's not up to me. What it's worth to them. I this doesn't fit What are you thinking, you know, and and there were other things in the by the time I finished my 15 minute conversation with them the four other people that were meeting with apple in the room had turned into spectators for the conversation I was having with apple because it was obvious that Podcasters understand their audiences better than apple understands podcasters audiences and and I'm you know, I tend to be Convincing and loud sometimes so anyway We that said despite all of its limitations We are going to start offering apple subscriptions and and quite frankly There is only one reason we've decided to do this because it makes it so much easier for so many of you To contribute a apple already has your credit card. We spent a good chunk of the episode talking about that for different reasons and b It you know, it allows you to consolidate your Spending in one place so you can see it and all of that So if you want to do that within the next month that will go live and and it will be out there There's probably not going to be a whole lot extra there. Although I think what we're going to do And quite frankly It's because it makes our lives simpler is we're going to push episodes out early when possible there We record on fridays. We release on mondays I push everything up on friday afternoons and then it just automatically happens with wordpress scheduling it out on mondays I can't do that with apple system So i'm going to push it out and release it right away And so it will be out a little bit earlier and that way apple can say Oh, you're doing something extra that kind of I mean I think if you figured out the URLs for what an episode mp3 file looks like you could probably download them early I don't know if I've ever said that on the show before but I know some of you have figured it out It's fine.  It's it's complete. We don't change it. So, you know, there's that And then the other thing that we are working diligently on in fact My son lucas and I spent a good chunk of the day yesterday working on a lot of this is podcasting 2.0 is true value for value thing which currently you have to use podcast apps that support it and it allows you to Support in two ways Again with the right app and our feed has to support it and it doesn't yet because we have to set up all kinds of things which we're working on But it allows you to Stream it's all bitcoin payments That happen and that's just because that's sort of the simplest way to do this Now I I see podcasting 2.0 value for value evolving into fiat currency and and all of that And I have some ideas about how we might actually be able to participate in that evolution But for now it's all it's all cryptocurrency specifically bitcoin. You can stream satoshis which are fractions of a bitcoin to Us when you listen if you want again all all voluntary or You can also send what they call boostograms Which are fixed amounts for one time fixed amount thing you might hear a segment that you're like Oh, that was amazing. I want to send a boostogram or any of that We'll talk more about that once we've actually rolled that out, but but that's what's kind of in the uh In the hopper here. Oh, I talked for a lot John you and I have had these conversations. Pete. I think actually some of this is new to you Uh, but uh, but john do you have anything to add to what I was saying there? Nope Thanks Almost offering Offering multiple ways for people to give us money is good. Yeah Well, it and it's I mean it's I yeah, I I mean I I don't like treating it dismissively like that I it this this means a lot to me anyway That that there are those of you who choose to support us and we're trying to make it as easy for you to do that as possible um, it's it's It's really not a joke. It means a lot to us. Let me get Dave, you know I I hadn't really thought about it very much, but when you first started the premium thing I I had been with you guys a little bit. It's like, okay. You're offering something extra and you know, it's But it never occurred to me until you just said it that no That's not why they're support. They're supporting it because they're trying to promote the show and make it bigger Anyway, they like the show. They like what's going on. They want it to go out to more people. They want Uh, and like you said that and they want answers from Other people that that may not be premium supporters. Um, so that's that's what they're getting for it And that's awesome. And and the fact that the support the show is so widely listened to and supported is Is awesome. You guys have created something really special here Well, you're part of it too, Pete and yeah, and I'm I'm thrilled to be a part of it Let me add and and people have written in and and especially during the pandemic when I was I was gone for a while so to speak Um, uh, but people never forgot me in the emails. No, no, never. No, yeah Yeah, exactly. No, it it's it's It yeah, I it's same it is an honor to be able to do this Yeah, it was it was the evolution of the premium program I think we're the I realized for the first time that the show isn't about us It's about all of you and and that was a shift and obviously a good shift because It's good for us to be aware of the fact of our jobs here It's it, you know, we are we are the stewards of this community for sure because Because that's but that's our job and that's the beginning and end of our job Now sometimes we can be the ones to provide answers to your questions. We do have some troubleshooting skills I mean, that's where all of this started But a lot of you out there also have good troubleshooting skills And the reality is no matter how good any one of us is we are so much better together Because we can't know everything. There's no way. I mean how many times in this episode Have I said something that has immediately been proven Incorrect, right? You know, I've made an assumption. It's like, oh, nope wrong Hey, it's happened to all three of us all throughout the episode, right? It's but that's the beauty of this is it's not it's not about any one of us It's not even about the three of us. It's about all of us and that I love that so and to that end We've been making some changes as I'm sure you've heard to the intro of the show I just wanted to acknowledge this we've had some emails back and forth with you folks with some of you about this And the idea is As new people listen We want them to understand what they're going to get right away Uh, I think it's it's rob walch from libson and a dear friend who's who's been a friend for a very long time It says and is fond of saying The most important content you've ever created is the first 30 seconds of your most recent show And it makes a lot of sense, right? You know, because that's the thing that anyone knew is going to is going to listen to now We don't just want to prioritize the new people We want everybody to get value and that's why you heard today was a little bit more on this evolutionary path Uh, all it's funny. My initial intent was to provide the entirety of a quick tip like we did today As the cold opened to the episode Uh It wasn't until I got emails from you folks that I realized we had not done that Uh, the closest we ever got was when I sky it was shared skylar My daughter's tip about like moving messages around and copying them from things, but that wasn't in the cold open That was like right in the intro when we were saying our you know, where we're from or whatever Uh, the last couple of weeks we've teased an upcoming tip. That is not our intention But it is what happened and and I can get I I totally get how that is Uh, you know annoying, right? We want to provide value not entice you to get value later, right? It's I'm going to provide value now and hopefully that entices you to want more Right and so that's why we we put that quick tip from ben in the cold open of the show today And and that was it right like we didn't have to revisit it because the entirety of it was shared So, uh, we endeavor to keep doing that. It's not going to be easy though Um, but you know, that's okay. It's our job I don't know. What do you think john? I think in And I won't be a wise guy this time. Thank you. Um Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to be dismissive um um There was one session that I went to and It really it did open my eyes and I think it's a tangent to this maybe but it was a group of Uh professional podcasters And what they did was play the first 30 seconds and show the uh copy For each podcast and then ask the audience. Do you know what this podcast is about and there was Most of them you kind of got an inkling But like there was one where nobody raised their hand because there was absolutely no way within the first 30 seconds Or it just wasn't said. I mean Ours, I think is a little different. I mean you you have an idea through the title Then it has something to do with max though. We talk about other things, right? Um But but I just thought it was it was an interesting exercise In that yeah, so so but it backs up the the first 30 seconds are Important for a number of reasons and one is that people know what they're getting themselves into. Yeah, exactly So there that's um, I don't want to take too much more time on this And it there's a reason I I put it at the end of the episode here so that we could just you know Have a conversation about it, but um, you know what I'm gonna do For as as thanks for listening to all of this Of course, please send us your feedback about any of this to feedback at mackeykev.com Or if you're a premium supporter and again, that's your definition through any channel in whatever period of time Works for you, then you are correct. You are a premium supporter So you can send to premium at mackeykev.com But I do want to share A cool stuff found that I found recently because I really like this thing And it is the anchor g an prime 615 usb power strip And this thing's interesting. It's um It's got Well, it's it's got two ac outlets three prong ac outlets one usb a port two usb c ports it is uh 65 watts total and um if you If you look if you're watching the video You can see that the cable Is much longer than it appears because it's also got this it like baked into it. It's really you got to just see it It's hard to describe, but it has a a a roll away extension cord which would be super helpful in hotel rooms and things like that where you are You know often stuck with things and smartly wisely the Plug at the end of the extension cord is a right angle plug So it would fit behind a bed or a desk or all of those pesky little places And uh and then when you're done with it It just kind of rolls away and you throw the whole thing into your travel bag and you're good to go It's I'm impressed with this thing It's 70 bucks on amazon today Who knows what it'll be when you go to buy because that's how those things are But it is available like you can get it delivered It's not one of these things that doesn't exist anymore and all of that. So this is the uh, The anchor g a n prime 65 watt charging station two usbc two ac outlets three prongs and one usb a so that's uh That's my addition for for cool stuff found it. I know We're long on time, but it is a cool thing and I wanted to share it and you know Add a little bit more value at the end here. So With that I think it's uh, I think it's time to bring the band in Oh those guys those guys. Yeah, that's nice weather outside. They don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, where you are consolidated came to my house again I submitted a support ticket to fix a pesky issue I'm having they texted me yesterday saying they were coming today But I could reply number one to tell them I needed to reschedule I did that And then the the reply I got was to call them and I did that and they said they were going to come on Monday I asked if we could change that to Tuesday. They said yes And uh, evidently they came while we were recording the show here today. So that's that's cool That's cool. Send it to my house. I still don't have service here That's the thing is like I like I really like that. They're super responsive But I need to be able to communicate with you Like I can't just sit around Anyway Thanks for hanging out with us. Uh, if you need more of that Pilot Pete guy you can go listen to his other show. So there I was dot us or just look for so there I was upon your Yeah, favorite podcast app Yeah, man We'll show up We got the former commanding officer of the uss Nimitz on the most recent show episode 17 Fascinating guy to talk to in fact, he's gonna be two shows because we spent so long with us It's awesome stuff. Yeah Cool. Thanks for that. Thank you for all your support Of course. Yeah, that's I mean, yeah I know I know the audience There is a there is a not insignificant segment of this audience that is loving that show for sure They are and they've been writing to me. It's been awesome. I'm thrilled. Thank you In fact, we put one of one of these listeners listen to my show and one of the guests from a couple weeks ago He and my guests were in the FBI together and they had lost track of each other. They're now back to each other So amazing. I love it. Yeah Uh Yeah, see we are we are but stewards Cash fly is someone who deserves a lot of stuff. Thanks for being the steward that gets our audio from us to you So thanks to cash fly.  We've got some stickers. We've got some other things there and more come in Fun stuff. Thanks for hanging out with us everybody To see you next time I think it's your turn to share advice I've got some advice Don't Don't get caught