Hello, everyone. So this is, I just saw the Yakto, they just did a bird as of a feather. I think it worked out pretty well for them. So hopefully we'll have success as well with the virtual buff. So me and Stefano wanted to have a place where people talk about risk five here at the meta linux conference. So just wanted to stop start off with mentioning the other risk five related content that's happening here at ELC. So tomorrow I'm going to give a talk about linux on open source hardware, which we're going to touch on here. Then Kirsta Sanovich, who is the professor at UC Berkeley that was behind creating this project.  So you'll get a good overview of them. And Kim's going to talk about the state of software development tools on Wednesday. And then Calista Redman, who's the head of risk five international, which is the nonprofit that governs risk five is going to have an expert session on Thursday. But also have lots of meetups going on, which right now are virtual, but Munich and the area were both last week, I believe. So you can go to risk five.org local and check out what meetups are going on there. So risk five is a new instruction set architecture that was created about 10 years ago by a team at UC Berkeley. They were doing computer architecture research and they wanted an instruction set they could use to do that. They didn't want to deal with licensing commercial ISAs. It's risk five because it's the fifth risk instruction set to come out of Berkeley. Two great talks. One is instruction sets want to be free. And this is from David Patterson, who was the co-creator of the original risk back in the early 80s. And then you'll see this on Wednesday, the kind of state of the union risk five. A couple of times a year. So you can always check out the latest one on YouTube. Kind of gives it over what risk five is in the ecosystem. Real quick, just kind of to go over it for people that aren't familiar with ISA. This is a talk from a new Patel at the Linux LCA back in 2020, which is probably one of the last conferences that happened. So the idea behind risk five is that it's a new ISA, clean slate and extensible. So everything that was learned over the years from doing computer architecture research at Berkeley, they put that into making this ISA. An idea here is it goes from 32 bits, small microcontrollers all the way up to supercomputers here. So it's one instruction set that can span all those different use cases. And also the idea here of different privilege levels. So we have machine mode which is where the firmware runs bootloader and then operating system runs in supervisor mode. And then above that, there's user space. There's also an extension for hypervisor that's being worked on right now. So I mentioned it's extensible. And the one of the ways that works is it's not just one ISA, it's a set of ISAs. And the key thing here is the base one is a 32 bit integer ISA. And that's frozen that'll never change. So if you were to compile for that, but right now it would still work in 20 years on some fancy 128 bit risk five computer. So the idea here is there's extensions that then get ratified and frozen. And you'll kind of see like these, it's kind of a soup of letters and numbers. So each of these different extensions has a different letter. For purposes of Linux, we're generally talking about RV 64 GC, which means they can do integer, multiply, atomics, and float. I think that's it. But so you'll find out more of that if you check out the keynote on Wednesday. And this was from Tisha's slide from LCA 2020. And to kind of give you an overview here of what is the ecosystem for software on risk five. So we have support now in a lot of things. And we're going to go through that real quick here. Has anyone raised their hand or said anything yet? Still fine. So final questions? So this is another slide from Tisha's presentation. Hopefully a few of the people will be able to jump in here and speak up. So the basic idea here is we have our normal SOC ROM, and then that goes into M mode, which could be U boot. And then we have open SBI, which is this supervisory interface, and then go into U boot and then finally boot up into Linux. So kind of a normal boot flow. But one of the terms you might not be familiar with, especially if you're coming from ARM, is SBI. So SBI is the supervisor binary interface. So there's this privilege spec. So one of the extensions for risk five is a privilege spec, and that defines basically you're going to have an operating system like we're familiar with, like Linux.  So it kind of sits there between the OS and the hardware. And this came out of the Unix platform specification working group. So you can, as an individual, join the risk five international organization, and then you can join these email lists that talk about the Unix platform specification. So this has kind of come out of work that they're doing. And in particular, so SBI is a specification, and then there's open SBI, which is an implementation, which you'll see is very common in most of the different platforms that we're going to talk about. And one of the things that just happened was UEFI support. There's a patch series now on the Linux risk five mailing list. So it's coming along to have that kind of generic UEFI support in UBoot and an open SBI, and then in the Linux kernel as well. So Linux distributions. And I hope he's going to be on here. David works on the Fedora port and has a lot of knowledge. So if he is on here, hopefully he can give us some insights. But basically both Fedora and Debian have ports. Suse is working on it as well now. And then Yachto and Open Embedded support it. And I think Ken will probably talk some more about that on Wednesday in his talk. And there's also support in Buildroot as well. So we're a little short on the hardware side right now, but the software support is really coming together. And because risk fives are relatively new thing, we don't have a lot of hardware out there that we can run, especially operating systems on. So QEMU is a great way that development has been done with the Linux kernel support and getting the distros running. So if you don't have any hardware, you can on your PC try this stuff out with QEMU. So I think it was maybe three ELCs ago, 2017 maybe, that Sci-Fi was one of the sponsors. We were in Portland and they had a bunch of these boards there. So this is a really exciting board. It has four 64-bit risk five cores. This board was pretty expensive. It was $1,000. It was available in limited quantities because Sci-Fi is not a company that's making chips. They design cores that then other companies might use. So this is probably the best board that's out there, though it's pretty hard to get inexpensive. But when you have this with the whole setup here with some additional FPGA expansion cards, you can actually have a full Linux desktop running here. And if David's able to join, he can maybe talk about it. He has one of these setups where he's working on the Fedora port. So the lower end version is this board here, which has a processor called the Kendrite K210. And this is something that's been in the works for a while. Back in last year at Linux Plumbers, Demi and Lamal from Western Digital talked about experiments they were doing to get Linux running on this. So this is a dual core 64-bit risk five processor at 400 megahertz, which is actually pretty nice. The downside here is it only has eight megabytes of memory, which is pretty limiting. It also does have an MMU. They implemented a spec, which was too old for it to be supported in Linux. So work was done to essentially allow it to be supported with no MMU and with M mode, which is machine mode instead of supervisor mode on risk five. And with Linux 5.8 kernel, the full support is going to be there. So pretty much all you can do, the only thing you can do right now with it is you can, Damian has build root with busybox, you can run on it. But in order to do anything more, we need something called FDpick support or an analog in risk five. This is what ARM does on those no MMU systems where you can run Linux. Basically allows you to use shared libraries. So without shared libraries, we run out of space very quickly. So that work is still ongoing. So I asked on the list recently, it doesn't look like there's anything new right now. The other cool thing is Uboot. There's a patch series that adds support for that that was just posted for one of those sidepeed boards with the Kendra K210 chip. Now, one of the things I'm quite excited about that was not quite here yet. So there's an organization called the open hardware group that's working with different companies like NXP. And I think there's a couple other silicon labs maybe. So the really interesting thing here is they basically took one of the IMX processors like an IMX6 or something like that. And they took out the ARM core and they're dropping in a 64 bit risk five core. But we have the rest of sort of peripherals that everyone is used to in likes on the IMX series, including the Vivante GPU. So it should be supported with open source driver. So this is really exciting. However, it's not going to tape out until the end of this year. And it's just a test project. So maybe in 2021, we'll see a product come out from NXP or someone else that you could actually buy and build the board around. Now, I have one glaring thing missing here, which since it's live, I'll just go to there. So microchip has a similar to like a xylene sink. They have an FPGA with a hard risk five core called the Polar Fire SOC. And that should have been in there. So this just launched or this just showed up yet last week on crowd supply, which is a site that you can essentially crowdfund new boards on. So this is pretty exciting. This is a think quad core risk five processor. But this board is going to be probably at least half the price of the side five board. And this chip here, the Polar Fire SOC, you'll be able to buy in distribution. So we'll probably see later this year or next year, series of different boards that were using this SOC. So there is an FPGA, but the key thing to focus on here is it has four hards, E6 silicon risk five cores. So we did have one question just about how we're coming along in terms of consumer uptake. So the Polar Fire is a good example of, you know, some of the folks that are certainly currently starting to spin chips with risk five, but really just head over to our member site and look at the folks that are joining specifically at the at the premier level. The premier level members are really the ones you're going to look to in terms of when I see a new board coming out, who's it going to be coming from? So that's a good indicator. But also in general, I think we're seeing a lot more and we hope to see a few sub $500 boards in the next year. Yeah. And just a quick reminder for everyone, if you go to risk five dot or you can find all that information. Let me flip back to the slides here. So one of the other options that we have because it's been taking a while for companies to make hard SOCs chips that we can we can use in boards. So one of the other options is to use FPGAs. So Megan Wachs from Sci-Fi gave an interesting talk about this last year, last November. And I'll talk a little bit more about this in my talk tomorrow. But one of the neat things that's happened with FPGAs recently is there's now open source tool chains for them, which is great. Because their proprietary tools were massive. And this is a really nice thing that's happening in the FPGA world. And the cool thing we can do is we now have a open source tool chain that can run on a part called the lattice ECP five, which is capable capable enough for us to be able to run Linux on it. So we can have Linux running on a soft core inside the FPGA using only free software tools. One of the boards that you can get if you want to play around with this is called the ULX 3S. That's out of a hacker space in Croatia on crowd supply. And then another really nice board that I'm quite excited about is this little tiny board called the orange crab. And this has the ECP five that you can put a soft core in and has 128 megabytes of DDR RAM. So it's enough for us to do some interesting things with Linux on the board. One thing to note. Yeah, another quick question just about regarding risk five and things like the Beagle board project. So I think what you're getting at is a much cheaper than $500 board. I can't speak to what Texas Instruments may or may not be doing. But I can say that we're hoping to see some sub $100 boards that are capable of running Linux come out next year. Yes, yeah. So one of my hopes is to get a $100 board out there, sub $100 board. And for one road and route to do that is both of these boards here with these FPGAs, they're about $100. Though the one downside to that is with the soft cores only going to run maybe 50 megahertz, 100 megahertz on a really nice FPGA. So above that you're really limited with the soft cores. What we really need is SoCs. So the Polar Fire SoC for microchips can be exciting because it has an FPGA in it. I think it's going to probably not be cheap enough necessarily to get sort of a Beagle Boner Raspberry Pi price. I'm also hopeful that a company like Kendrite might come out with a more capable SoC with external memory because that Kendrite chip would be really nice if it has external memory interface. So I think 2021, we'll probably see some nice options out there. And then the Open Harbor Groups test chip, you know, if that goes according to plan, I think we could see an NXP product that would be available in distribution. But if you don't have any hardware at all and you don't want to run QEMU, another thing you try out is Renode. This is from AntMicro. It's open source, essentially emulator. It allows you to choose from a list of different boards and essentially run them, emulate it on your computer. So this is me running Renode to emulate the sci-fi on Leashboard. So that board that was $1,000, you can emulate it on your computer.  So it's a nice way to do things if you don't have hardware. One of the last things I wanted to talk about here, unless anyone else has spoken up yet, is kind of what's going on with the Linux kernel with the RIS 5 support. So the best resource I would say is if you hop on the Linux kernel mailing list for the RIS 5 architecture, you can go through the archives there on lore. But some of the things that have been added recently are EVPF, which is exciting because everyone loves EVPF. Also KGDB, Kexec and KDump, which help with debugging, VDSO support, which helps with optimizing, being able to check the time, system time. Syscaller, which is basically a security fuzzer. And then one of the other things was being able to build with clang instead of GCC. And then there's other things that are upcoming like the UFI support. There's been some work on the interrupt controllers. This one is a core level interruptor support that's on the sci-fi board. There's also a hypervisor spec that's in the works for RIS 5. And there is work being done to have it integrated with KVM. There's also support being worked on to basically improve the performance measurement PMU and in-perf so we can start getting that performance data that we're used to on other architectures. And then also CPU frequency driver support and the sci-fi board. And a great thing to check out was last week at the Munich RIS 5 meetup, Bjorn Topol gave a really great talk about what's missing in the RIS 5 Linux kernel. And he goes through here. Let me just show you real quick here. He goes through here and lists a bunch of things that are marked as to-do and things that you could work on if you were interested in jumping in and helping out with stuff. And as he says, that'll keep you busy during the summer. So highly recommend checking out the slides from this talk. And the video should be posted this week, so in the next day or two. And I think that is the end of the slides. Have we had anyone else jump on here? Just a quick question about the Google doc. Yeah, so we'll share the slides after the presentation. Actually, I can paste that into the, here we go. RIS 5 GPOs. Oh, yeah. So Alistair there in the chat, he is a person from Western's usual that does the QMU RIS 5 support. I'm not sure what that means by GPIOs, maybe emulating them. But there is a GPIO mockup driver that I think would be able to work. I'm not sure. Though there should be a way for people to jump in here and talk if they want to. I don't know who else is joining. Oh, Ateesh is in here. Yeah. So Ateesh is in here. He's one of the main Linux kernel developers. He's at Western Digital. Alistair is the first person working on QMU. So are we able to let people talk? Did have a quick, we had a question about, is there a RIS 5 equivalent to Arms Trust Zone? And the answer is yes. There is actually a working group currently called the Trusted Execution Group, TEE Group. And they're working on, I believe, I'm trying to remember the version of the spec they're on. So yeah, this short answer that is yes, there is a group that's currently working on that. I know that I've been trying to get a FPGA based demo of Trusted Execution Environment capable core running with the group for the IETF that does hackathons on a protocol called TEEP. So now I'll put those links in here. And I think my, I did get pushed real quick to try and get this up there, which if it did, I'll drop this link in the chat as well. Oh, I guess I did something wrong. Oh, anyways. So anyone want to ask a question with voice? I think we can do that. Yeah, if anyone wants to make a comment or question, I believe you can raise your hand and we can give you audio capabilities or just post the question up and we'll ask it here. Maybe, there we go. Yeah, well, Karim mentioned there about the open source implementation. So yeah, one of the things I guess maybe I should have clarified is so RISC-5 itself is just an open source instructions that architecture ISA and the implementations of that can be both proprietary and open source. So just because you see RISC-5 doesn't mean that it's an open source design, but there are a lot. So some of the original ones for out of Berkeley are Rocket and Boom with 2.0s. So those, those are being used for the basis of commercial designs. I think the CY-5 stuff is based on Rocket or Boom, I think. And the open Harbor group stuff, the open HW group stuff, the core V that one I showed you that looked kind of like an NXPIMX. That one is based on core out of ETH Zurich called Pulp. It's from the Pulp team there and that one's called Ariane. So a lot of the SSEs that we're seeing be commercialized both in the microcontrollers and in the like the application processors are based on some of these open source implementations. I know for people that are into hardware design, the Berkeley ones I think are based on the Stetskala language chisel, which I, some people may or may not like. All of the ETH Zurich stuff is system verilog and that's what open Harbor group is doing, system verilog, because they believe it'll be easier to get the SSEs built on and verified that way. Oh, what do we have here? Some other questions? Drew, do you happen to, when you click on raise hand, can you give Alejandro access to the mic? Let me see here. Oh, yes. Yes. Oh, there we are. Hi, hello. Well, thank you, Drew and Stefano for the session. So I have a question. I was aware of the changes in the Linux kernel for support to Rigs 5 but it's a surprise for me to know about this no MMU support for Rigs 5 in Linux kernel. So I don't know if I got it right and this is maybe a desire or if something that is happening and if that is the case, I think this is related to the unification project that was active some years ago and I think it's not active anymore or at least I'm not, I don't have any news about it. So what if you can comment about it? Thank you. Yeah, so the support's actually there now in 5.8. So when 5.8's released, the first part of the Kendrye K210 support was in 5.7. So now after 5.8, it'll be fully supported. Maybe if one of the other, someone from Western Digital wants to jump in, but I believe the issue with the Kendrye K210 part is they do have an MMU but the implemented aspect that was a little bit older than what Linux supports. So we basically have to treat it as not having an MMU. So there's no MMU and then there's also machinevote versus s-mode. So given that the Kendrye part doesn't have much memory, it's just running Linux kernel in machine mode, which means that we just have one address space. We don't have virtual memory or any that sort of stuff. And then the downside there is essentially you can only really run like one busy box session and then you don't really have much RAM to do anything else, which is why the idea of no MMU support coming up for user space. So the idea is that with ARM, there's a way called the FB pick of being able to have on a user space without any MMU in the system, they can share memory better. So that's something that that may happen there to make it more useful. But for right now for, you know, it's $13 and you can actually have a real RISC-5 system that's running Linux at 400 MHz. So it's an interesting thing to play around with until we get better SOCs. So we're actually running out of time here, but we did have a quick question about Renode. I'm not sure, Drew, if you happen to know anything about Renode emulators and if they include things like the host machines, Nick, I haven't played around with Renode enough. Yeah, it's quite sophisticated. You can, you should be able to do most things with it. The Antmicro people put a lot of work into it and also the idea of being able to do co-development where you're both, some of the parts are actually in hardware and some of the parts are being emulated in software. So it's quite, it's quite like going on there. So Android, hello, John in Korean. So I don't believe Android is anywhere near being supported. The main reason is I don't think the Java support's very good right now. I could be corrected and Ken might have more interest to that, but I've not heard of anyone working on Android yet. And about the open implementations, of course, SWIR from Western Digital is one of the big ones for the microcontroller class. And that's all open. That's part of the, let's see, other non-profit, the other open hardware group. They steward the SWIR. Anyways, the LogiBone. Yeah, I think that Java's going to be a big issue to that needs to get running well before we can have Android. The LogiBone was a cape for the BeagleBone. Someone just made kind of a new version of that with the ECB-5, which is kind of interesting. Oh, you were thinking about Chip's Alliance. Chip's Alliance, yes. So Chip's Alliance, if you check out Chip's Alliance, they have SWIRV and several other cores. So like the three main things you should look at is RIS 5 International, open hardware group, and Chip's Alliance. A lot of the projects are falling under those umbrellas. I think we have to wrap it up. I'm getting a message that we're near the end of our time. We're already gone over. I'll put the mailing lists for Google groups in the chat for folks. Those are open mailing lists to everybody, so feel free to post on there if you have additional questions or always welcome to reach out to me directly as well. So thanks everybody and thank you very much, Drew, for all your work here with the slides. Thanks.


In this lesson, we see the class working on a reading task. The homework for this class was for students to bring in pictures with examples of technology. They talk about them to prepare for the reading. Next, the teacher shows students how to make a graphic organizer to help them check their understanding of the reading. Good morning. Good morning. Today we are reading a story about technology. Talk about your pictures at your tables. Thank you for sharing your pictures. Do you like using technology? Mariam? Yes, I take my phone everywhere. Ah, me too. Anybody else? Julia? I love computers and I like to code. Some people do not have computers or internet. Vanuatu is a country in the South Pacific. Many people in Vanuatu do not have internet. In today's story, students in the United States want to help students in Vanuatu. Do you want to learn about this? I do. Let's start reading. Then we will make pictures to help us understand. But first, let's look at the name of the story. Mimi, please read the name. Library in a box helps students. Thanks. Now, Mariam, what do you see in the picture? I see a box. It looks like plastic. Yes, the library is in that box. How? Let's read the story, but first let's learn some new words. Mariam, please read the first word. Connect to join two or more things together. Good. Group reading. The students read the story aloud or silently in their groups. They learn that the solar spell machine holds information from the internet on memory cards. Any mobile device can connect to it without wires. Solar spell gets its power from the sun. Let's make a picture to help us understand solar spell. First, I want to show the internet in a picture. Hmm, how can I do it? Show us in it. Yes. And what can you find on the internet? What helps you learn? Mariam? Books. Good. So let's put that in our picture. Draw this on your paper. This goes on a memory card. And where do they put the card? They put the cards into the solar spell machine. Yes. Okay, now in your groups, keep going. What happens next? Draw more pictures. Sorry, I'm late. What are we doing? Who wants to tell her you can do it as a group? Okay, Jamie and Mariam. This is solar spell. It's a library in a box. So now the students invent you have to like you learn with solar spell. Thanks. So what about making a picture like this? Does it help you understand the story? How? The story is a little difficult. The picture helps me understand. Yes. Are there other times you use pictures in this way? Jamie. We need to look at pictures of new furniture. The pictures show us how to make the furniture. Yes, I use those pictures, too. Summary. The teacher uses one student's late arrival as an opportunity for other students to summarize the story using their graphic organizers. Graphic organizers are especially helpful because the story or article discusses complex ideas or processes. Join us for Unit 5. Role plays.


Mainghi for that riveting conversation. I hope you've learned something about people living with autism, the autism spectrum, and everything in between. Once again, thank you so very much for keeping it here. Why in the morning at 554 Facebook, Y254 channel on Twitter, Y254 underscore channel on Instagram. We're also on threads, ha ha, Y254 channel. We're on TikTok too. We're on YouTube just in case you missed an interview or just want to see it one more time. Y254 channel. My name is Valetine. I've come back with my previous families, the ones that we were laughing with. Now we were about to get down to serious, serious business. But again, for the sake of protocol, Y254 introduced themselves one more time. Hi guys. Hi. So it's gonna cost a minute. So I'm going to introduce yourself to the people one more time. I am Kelly Ket. You can find me on all social media platforms via Pierre Lamour, which is a French word meaning the rock of love. Remember you're an international rock day. Rock day. So yeah, that's something. Yes. And there you are. I'm Shalya Mone. You can find me on all social media platforms at Shelly May 652. All right. So previously we've been laughing at people to make fun of two morning egos, drinking it very, very funny. And now we're going to talk about, there was one video actually in particular that summarized what we're about to talk about today. And the question is, it's a long word. But in short, we're just trying to say people having etiquette during, you know, just visiting. My first question, which was the last thing we just discussed. Does it depend on the gender? Yes, it does. Why isn't it the same? But at the same time, you think the same thing? Yes. And then someone randomly said that But it depends.  So you don't intrude and start critiquing my way of doing this. But I guess here you're also right. It has something to do with the closeness. Okay. Cutting across generally before we specify to gender. First of all, in case we can have a very first thing is there has to be communication between the two of us. Like we have to agree upon you coming. Like in case to me agree, you're coming. Don't come empty-handed. Like you have to bring something. What is your kind of something? Is it food? Is it, you know, what kind of gift would you like your guest to come with? Anything, just an appreciation gesture, heart of flowers, maybe a drink, groceries, anything that you think will, I will accept or will be helpful. All right, let's go back to that first. Taking a whole week, come on to me agreeing today. That's a one day, it's enough. And one day, that is it. Don't overstay. Maybe my budget in the court will be sustained for that two days. And then we'll have to overstay. The next time, I'll think about it, we'll invite Stena. So you want to burn? Yes, in the turn of Kabisa. Okay, we'll do that next time. I mean, don't overstay. I do Yeah, frequency matter. It does. I think there's even a verse in the Bible that says don't overstay. You're welcome. You're a host and I think it's true. Yes, but I'm not wrong. Yeah, frequency, unless come on is something, it's an emergency. But you could just lay on the car for six weeks, or maybe one week, you could stay for some hours, ten or eight, that is okay. But you could just lay on the car for a whole day, ten or cash for a whole day. Hey, I have some work to do. Sure, sure. Do we still, okay, not even still, are we a culture that does things like house warming? Maybe the people I get along with most to have a good time, small conversation, you let it last, however you decide as the host. Hey, I think it's picking up. Then keeping in mind, we are a religious nation. So we believe in Kuomba and Yumba before Kuhamiya. So I think house warming is picking up. So house warming like nowadays, it's kind of religious, but say me, I met a youths back here. So some of them are going to say, I do what, it's like, I don't know, I saw me. Anyway, to kind of, to kind of, to soonga, to soonga. Se must. Se must. Do you have to tell your relatives when you move? As in a must, what do you imagine? My closest and come on is idea. Of course, what I do is plan, what I do is plan. But two years ago, why, why should I inform you? I don't think I might not. My closest, like my dad, my mom, my sisters, even when I was a child, and very close people to me, even automatically when I was a child. But when you come back and you ask, do you know, no, no, I agree with her. People who are so close to you, I think also the distance matters. Come up and say again, and your friends are nearby. I think it will be wise to inform you. Hey, how does this one spend their time? What do you do on the weekends? Do you have a special, I imagine if I let people infringe my privacy, that when I say, I end up to the extent of asking my neighbor, eh, I don't know what to do. My boyfriend is asking the children to upload it. Eh, wait, that's not heart stopping for you. I am too confident. Of course, it's a red flag. First of all, I don't even know what to upload. Like, how do they mass-circuit? I don't know, I don't have any details.  Like, don't go around asking and snooping. I'm on the other side. So, that's already something in etiquette. You've come to see me, not the caretaker. Alright, so, vicinity. Walk me through that. How far is too far? No kind of sitting room. Don't snoop around in other rooms. I'm looking for my childhood photos. Wow, now you're in a class, Ghani. Thank you. Thank you so much. When I was sitting in the past, I didn't know what to do. When I was sitting, I didn't know what to do. I should just find you very cool. Sunspots. Timing. How important is timing? Can I be coming any time in the morning? After sunrise? I'm at lunch, PSO, I'm on my mark. I'm at that time, bye. Is the timing okay? Time in a depend. How close are we? I'm saying how close, I mean. Maybe I'm the best, I don't know what to do. But there is this visit. Once in a while. I expect people to come and see me. Imagine I'm sitting in the middle of a forest. I'm sitting in the middle of a forest. I'm just a tattoo seeker. Seeker can expect the timing is very important. It depends on who you are. Time to eat, Masa, Masa. Time to eat, Pika. Of course, if you invite me, I'll ask for a budget. But randomly, Peter, Tuzaku and I will go to lunch. Don't worry. Time is very important. It's very important. I know you have a budget. That's okay. Of course, if you invite me, I'll ask for a budget. But if you invite me randomly, I'll ask for a budget. Check on time. Check on that. You want to tell me something? Traditionally, I think the procedure, most people who follow, you wake up, you get ready, you go to work.  Then from there, now you're free. So I don't think morning hours is very appropriate. Maybe after noon, early evening, late at night, that is also not very appropriate. So yes, timing does matter. But it also depends on your agreement. Yes. Let's say close yours as friends. I'm getting married. I'm getting married. I'm trying to get food. I'm not going to go to the balcony. What's this? The procedure that you're going through is very important. I'm not going to go. I'm going to work. I'm going to work. See you. You're talking to me, not his cobweb. He's like... I'm going to say, okay, so what is the appropriate etiquette for that? What do you expect your guests to do? What do you want? First of all, I think Yes, you're a visitor, but at least try to keep yourself engaged. At least pretend. Do you need any help? I think that way that way you'll be familiarised and then taking you through your process and then you'll know when you serve him or her. No, not at all. I'm not going to be hospitable now. Like you can't expect I mean, but that's hospitable. Even if I'm the host, try. Just try. Yes, let's say, I'm going to work. That procedure is very important. But, I think it's important to have the capacity to have a room in the kitchen. I think it's important to have the space to have a room to rest, and if you don't have anything to do you can just leave it all behind when you're done. That's the time you're going to get back to work. There's no time for you to be extra. Yes. That's the idea I want to share. Just on this forum, different panelists. I have pet peeves when it comes to doing things I like. For example, when I pick up. So actually, I have an image, but it's really... I love where we sit. You just want to see what's going to happen. The magic that is happening in here. But I said, where we sit, instead of... you just want to see what's going to happen. The magic that is happening in here. But instead of... instead of, you just want to see what's going to happen. So... Stop laughing. Stop laughing. Stop laughing. Stop laughing. How do you deal with such a guest? First thing. I think I will prepare the norm if I go to a house and sing. I will pick up and listen to what's going to happen. Actually, you will adapt to that.  Not that you are not in a good mood to give me a lift. I am in a good mood to give you a lift. I will do it on my own. It will... you will see that your host will still feel it. You try to adopt to whatever you can. You just watch what you can and try as much as possible. You try to get it in a good way. What do you think? If my guest does that, I can use your name. First of all, I'll correct him or her because that is not Katya's at all. It is very unethical. You don't just do that. And after that, we're rude. But at least I've taught you something again. Lessons on the way. Lessons on the way. Lessons on the way. Lessons on the way. I'll give you a real life example. There are times when I want to say a family gathering. Because there are many of us. Not just nuclear, but extended. I don't know if it's true.  At least if you don't want to eat with me.   As in you must at least show you're doing something there.  I don't know if it's true or not. I don't have a name because I don't know how to promote. But just imagine a fast food vendor. She's a posh posh woman. And she's on a boat. And she's an excuse. She doesn't want to eat musk. She doesn't want to eat musk. She doesn't want to eat musk. She doesn't want to eat musk. We don't do such things. How do you do it? What if you were the host? Now all may prepare your food and love. And you know you did it well.  Try to come and eat with me. Live, live. We have a small picnic outside there. What would you do? I would like to say, Of course I would like to invite you to a class. I'm waiting for you at the moment. But of course I would like to invite you next time. I would invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you to a bit slow class. Sit down and be involved. It's very simple. I will host you. I will invite you. Just stay. But next time. No. Yes sir. Yes sir. No. In the meantime, what you did was not right. I felt bad. You prepared this food with love. For example, maybe when they act that way, you tend to overthink. Maybe you will say, I don't know how to cook. The food is not prepared well. I'm a citizen of Italy. So I will just tell you, if you want to invite me next time, I don't invite you. But at least I will take that lesson again. But if you're not ready, I would like to invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you. I would like to invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you. If you're not ready, I would like to invite you. I'm talking very bad every time. There are some hands and legs that are on the water. That's great. What you are eating, how do you eat? What are some things that costs you money? What are some things that costs your life? Miscal infiatment, I will prepare something that will be comfortable for me, I will search for it, but now in a situation where there is no one, I will ask them to prepare for you, I will prepare and then I will ask them to prepare, it's time now to serve, they will say no, I don't take this it's already midnight and they will come to pick me up I will tell them to eat I will tell them to eat in such cases, like he or she didn't tell me prior I can excuse him or her to eat food but it is also very important for that communication beforehand so that we can prepare in a good time so communication here is must key very key let me bring forward as something I had I want to tell you a story, I want to tell you a story, but I am scared social media has told me that there is a lot of pink in street reds so it's important for me to tell you a story I want to tell you a story, it's important for me to tell you a story it's important for me to tell you a story so imagine if I told you to come, I will tell you a story it's important for me to tell you a story as in just in the kitchen, when the two of you are together you come back and you will know that you are not alone and you will know that you are not alone and that is the budget you have to pay the budget to have lunch you have to pay the budget to have lunch you have to pay the budget to have lunch so what's next? what do you start doing? you will eat a soul who does that? you shouldn't take control of someone's house when you are a guest it's not going to be clean if it's not done with soap if it's not done with soap, it's supposed to be clean if it's not done with soap, it's supposed to be clean don't just take over the kitchen and the house but maybe she asked to help she asked to help and she said, what's the worst that can happen? in that scenario you will have to pay the budget to have lunch you will have to pay the budget to have lunch unless it's not done with soap it's not going to be the same procedure if it's not done with soap, anything can happen then I will try I will try to talk to her talk to her I will try it's not going to be the same procedure it's not going to be the same procedure there is nothing going to happen there is nothing going to happen I will go to the toilet I will go to the toilet and then I will go to the toilet but I will not go to the toilet everything nothing at all I will try it's the same thing next time I'll try she has a son Okay, all right. It's very interesting. I do not think I would have that same kind of patience, but again, I think I'm a little bit like you, me now again. Please don't say. Watch out to Kutane Okunje, not in my private space, kindly. Yeah, that is my my sanctity. Remember, you can interact with us at White Fight 4 on Facebook or anywhere else. Still at White Fight 4 or White Fight 4 channel. Yes, speaking of, we've talked about frequency. Let's talk about a guest whom we invite. Amma, again, communication is key. So you've talked about it. Anakujya Satoflani. Hey. In fact, I'm sure you're going to say, I'm a woman. At her mind. The worst. So in that case. Hey. I didn't expect the whole nursery of people at me. So in that case, just come. We do your thing. And then came at least a step. What would you do? Me, me, I think my initial reaction would be, I was just living by the way. When I shared it. So I think it's our drop-up. Because how dare you come with a buggy. And today, I'm going to teach her plants. I'm going to teach her a new pending. No. One's a story. What if the same scenario. But we're going to have groceries. Maybe we're going to have, maybe, you know. At a game, you know. But there are two things that can be agreed upon. And we're going to have food. What do you do? I'm going to have food. I'm going to have food. I'm going to have food. Very nice. Welcome. Just in case I'm going to talk to you. For just these hours. I will welcome you. I'm going to tell you. If you want to know what the three of you are up to. It's a game to dig into groups. I'm going to tell you. To dig into groups. I'm going to tell you. That's my son. I'm going to tell you. I will tolerate you because of the groceries. I'm going to tell you. Do you make a plan out of it? You're welcome. I will tell you. You're welcome. We're talking about gifts. The people who bring gifts do they get to come more often. The frequency. And it's ... You feel like you will shy away from the man I can say I can excuse the one who comes with gifts because then again heart will come like he or she didn't communicate when your gift it tends to warm your heart so you are more welcoming towards this person so yes, I'd say they can come more frequently what do you think? come and say gifts, pain or any gifts Gani if you have a gift you can come more frequently but then if you have a vibe like you are around I'm just feeling everything is okay so come and say gifts do you have any manners? yes, I have but if you have a vibe if you have a gift you can come to your fridge you can make a two tray or a smart one and you can share your breakfast I have gifts you want a gift? gifts in the house gifts in the house I will welcome you frequently you can come and say gifts in the house three hours the other day yes, I'm okay there are times when you tweet that there is an economy if you want to come and eat you can come and visit you can eat two good vibes and you can share stories so if you want to come to Nardes you just have to come with something why? I don't know when I visit and if you want to come you can come and visit and you can come and expect me I can come because of the hospitality you can come and eat and you can just come with something yes, I understand I'm a kid but if you want to support whatever I have I can come and help and you can come and eat for a whole week I'm smart but I'm an architect I can come and eat for a whole week I can come and eat I can come and eat I can come with something however small it is I can come and buy and I can teach I can come and eat and do something and you can come and try even at the hospital and you can come see the men are doing well but I don't know they will say I'm smart you're a bombastic I don't know I want to say but I won't tell you so you can come and eat and come with something something to do after something. I like that. So that just in case I bring something you might not like. So I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. You don't know what to do. But if you don't know what to do, you can't do anything. Oh, you're wise. You're very wise. All right, now that we've taken a couple of general situations, now we split them into two. The boy childs and the girl childs. Twentyn and timing. The girl childs to me say, I'm not going to communicate and I'm not going to do anything. I don't have any privilege. I say, maybe I'm going to take an outing. I'm going to take some 2 AMs of the morning. I'm going to take one. I'm going to take two. Before I take one, I'm going to take two. No. Why though? I'm going to ask you.  You know, when you're two, you're not going to take one. But for the boy child it's different. There's just so much involved. Number one, how are your children? And then number two, I think a lot can happen even if you're friends. So I think that timing is also very important. I'm sure you'll understand. I'm telling you the truth. I'm going to let you know that Bali, yours is the closest house. One thing, you'll be up to this time. Right? You'll be late. You'll be at 2 a.m. You'll be at 5 p.m. It's all over. Two more hours. You'll be at 5 p.m. I'll be at 2 p.m. before 6 p.m. That's... I'll be at 3 p.m. I'll be at 3 p.m. To the world. I'm not saying I'll be at 3 p.m. I'm sad. That's too early. For girls' child, I'll be at 6 p.m. Imagine two girls at home, sitting together, going to the bathroom, going to the kitchen, doing the gates. The second, they'll open the door and I'll be at the house. I'll go to the bathroom and I'll be at the house. I'll be at the kitchen. It'll be safe. I'll be at the kitchen and I'll be at the house. I'll be at the kitchen. You know what I mean? It's because of the unsafe pekiake. It's not that easy. That's so vulnerable! I'm sorry, I was trying to make you two AM guys. We're not in the same place. I've done two AMs in the past. If we're doing the trek again, we're done. So, I think I'll pass to them one at a time. Frequency. So, I think I'll pass to them one at a time. One thing. So, I think I'll pass to them one at a time. So, I think I'll pass to them one at a time. You see, for the girl child, personally, I feel like we have a lot to talk about. There's girls who can interact with boys freely. So, then it also depends with the person involved. But I don't think it is very ethical. You have no bad intentions. I feel like men, I usually go get us. I feel like I'll pass to them. There's something. I feel I'll pass to them one at a time. Yes. But I think I'll pass to them one at a time. Let's say for three days, one day, one Wednesday, one Saturday. Rolls and to the heavens. So, I'll pass to them one by one. I'll pass to them one by one, maybe another day. Two cages, maybe one day, two days. And I promise if you ever have had a shape or so, your door is open. And if you ever have a shape or so, your door is open. So, I think I'll pass to them one day. Let's say your door is open. I'm a waysie. I'm not a pain for you. Why are you the only neighbour you have? When they come to Mnezah, Mnezah unke unke, maybe I'm family. So what are the families you have to both? Some have a sister. They may destroy everything. A sister may say, you had an intention or you had nothing. That's how I feel about you. I feel like we can play a conversation, where we would drink tea, where we would sit, where we'd sit, you know what I mean, what do you think, do you think it would be good? If it's economy is hard for everyone, so I'll just tell you, please don't come and ask for little things from me. So you want him to ask for big things? What do you want? I want him to stop coming. I escaped by mistake. She took me to her friend's house. And then in return, I took her to her friend's house for company. That is awkward. We just want to be my friends. I came to her friend's house and asked her if she was okay with it. And she said, yeah, that's it. I told her that she is okay with it. I asked her if she was okay with it. She said that she was okay with it. But she didn't complain. Although she was okay with it. She complained very conveniently. She asked me to give her something. I told her that she was okay with it. It's basically a random superhero vibe. She told me that she was okay with it. To some extent. She can't come and fix him. I told her that she was okay with it. That's the way I can say, I am an independent woman. I can fix my bow. I can fix my bow. You know he is a man to fix your bow. That is... I don't need to... I am independent woman. I can fix my bow. I can fix my bow. I can fix my bow. I can fix my bow. You know what to ever try to fix it. That's how I can say that. That's the way I can say that. Wow. Wow. Oh my gosh, please do interact with us. The conversation, the hashtag is WCWDerekontheboychild So what if he's... So, what if I'm going to give up on a gift? Ah, I'm going to talk outside. And the last time I went to Miami, I said, Oh, thank you.  And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I noticed that you like a lot of boom.  Like, time has gifts.   Hey! Yeah, yeah. You are attacking. And a lot of stories, please discuss time. There is a question mark.   You know to give to me at a gift lay or she can't cash home. I couldn't fix it But yes, we're going in. I'm gonna sit down with Tisha. Okay. Let's go. I'll take Hey Okay, so we have two different world views and I'm liking this conversation Okay, wait out to Mongia gives to Mongia frequency Oh, so our boys children allowed to spend them more than a night Simple You knew very well He's still there in the night time Stop best I Why children, why children, why children? Okay, alright, alright. Mr. Kikuku, where's the fare number one? and to me of fair. Just postpone from her. Postpone. You're coming? We have a lot of hosts. We have some expenses, one, two, three. Hey! That is Abana. You are Miss Agal Child. We will be forever sixteen. Okay. Let's talk about a boy child. It's so interesting to hear how different it is when hosting girls child versus when hosting girls child. I don't know if the opposite is true. I think it's a good idea to host a boy child. I don't know if it's true, but I'm not sure if it's true. I hope it's true. Okay. That's a great question. I don't know if it's true or not. Just for a while. I'm chill too. And this is a while. I don't know if it's true or not. In case of anything, although you're friends. Again, you said something very important. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't know if it's true or not. But I think it's a change. Well, it's an expect gift. I don't know if it's true or not. That's me, Usha Panga. Usha Panga stayed without my knowledge. It was better not to stay. I said that I would stay for the next three hours. I don't know if it's true or not. The ground remains the same. I don't know if it's true or not. I would stay for the next three hours.  I was planning to leave. I'm traveling over the place. I'll find a place. I'll find a place. Oh, that's one. I'm going to talk somewhere. I'm going to talk somewhere. I said right away, there won't be a neighbor. I have traveled. What would you do? I don't have a gift. I don't have communication. I don't have staying for long. simple. Now, you don't even know how it happened, but for some reason, there's a toothbrush in the house. Your face is, even if you open it up, it's a toothbrush. You don't even know how to wear it. You don't even know how to wear it. Now, I don't even know how to wear it. But for some reason, it's a harm. It's a harm to you. You don't even know how to wear it. You don't even know how to wear it. Because if you go to the house, you don't understand how to wear it. What are you up to? Either he is breaking into my house or I'm going to draw him. Two options. I'm going to plan something. Someone would be very Racoon.  I'm going to occupy my house. I'm going to sit in the car. I'm going to sit in the same position. I'm going to sit in the same position. I'm going to brush my teeth. I'm going to brush my teeth. You're going to do it. You're going to do it. That is care check. Immediately. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. You're going to do it. I'm going to have a conversation with you. Unless we had communicated. But you're going to do it. You're going to communicate later. You assume that you're going to do everything. You're going to communicate with me. Nothing comes to you. We talked about timing and how to do it. But going to work and have a conversation with Nis7 through Bandasike. Starting today since you're using Rodee. What if you're close to his job. As soon as he gets ready to have a pee. Maybe he will get excited now. He's going to do it. He's going to erzählt. I can always speak P canceran te.) Maybe he'll get excited. And then, you just assume at a, at a particular time at lunch, you have something and then you're ready to jump over. So that you save these yours. And then you're going to have to save the economy. And then you're going to have to pay the rent.  And target your lunch. No. You're not even biased, are you? Almost treated a police, you tell her. We'll call a police. Where boy to... What do you do when you have a girlfriend? Ah, where? Do you go to work here, my boy, like when you're eating breakfast? No? Don't make us age faster than we are supposed to. We are still the big girls. We are still children. Each human wants to be independent. I don't think most women now want to get married. So you want to give me wife duties beforehand. That is unacceptable. Oh, no, Nabi. And I assume, like, this lunch hour, I'm not going to work. I'm just going to make it and then I'm going to pick it up at this time. Because I'm going to pick it up at the end of the day. No. In fact, she's... I think it's rare. You're lunchtime. I know Nyanza could do a little bit of cooking. She could do a little bit of caring. And without notice, so you're the worst thing you can do. Without notice, you just bump in. You assume, you keep out the redness hour. Just eat, go back. You know, children's home, I mean... I will try that. I've changed lunch hour. I'm cooking already. It's not that frequent. You make it a habit. In fact, I make a routine. Time... 12.59 on the door to come along. Hi. Oh, no. I'm going to have a toothbrush. In that sandal. And crocs. Oh, you're lunchtime. 4 p.m. 4 p.m. You know what? Me, Pia, I keep myself busy. As a smart lady I am. I find another place. Okay. We've been trying to deal with things that visitors do that are unwanted, are pet peeves. But what if, come on again, you're not going to go to jail all the time? To sit with the boys out there. What if, come on again, you're not going to go to jail? You're going to have manners. You're not going to be embarrassed. You're not going to have time to talk. You're not going to have time to come. You're not going to communicate. However, do. You're not going to have gifts. And you want this person to be visiting. How do you go about that? That's, that's now a visitor. Oh! I'm going to tell you about others. I'm going to tell you about others. Now this is, who's the sendo visitor? You keep his etiquette as a helper. Like on top notch. I will overdo it. I'm going to chill. The man is going to be on top. You are clean. What? There is a man who is very sensitive. He is very sensitive to the skin of the skin. And all I could do is, that's why he keeps doing that. When he is on top, I'm going to say, how do you go about that? Just calm. What are the gifts? I mean, this is the number one. This is the best number one. The best number one. What are the gifts? frequent. Frequent sphere.  I'm a good visitor. I'm going to see a good friend, and I'll invite them to come. We're really good women. We're really good women. I love your gift. I'll send you a letter, so you can make a surprise. You can have it when you're at home. I'll give you one. What's the name of the place? Now the Wi-Fi password. Fast one. Oh, I like it. Fast one. Fast one. I will come and tell you something. Do you know what? Do you know what? Do you know what? You can watch me on TV. Do you know what? You can watch me on TV. Do you know what? You can sit down and watch me on the TV. Do you know what? I was in the house. That is another thing. Who are you? I'm a child. I'm a woman. I'm a woman. I will sacrifice myself. I'm trying to do it. I'm a woman. I'm not going to ask you to do that. I'll let you. That's the demands. Yes, that's it. First of all, I won't even feel safe. Already you are giving me controlling abusive vibes.  You are talking and you are harming. No. Okay, now the time is about to end. It's a wonderful time. I hope you still have time to interact with us. I'm sure even if we may you succeed the time that we have, but at the minute a little to nowhere come and check it out, check it out. I'm at work right now for Facebook and all those lovely things. I'll remind you again. Yes, just now. But final words you guys. Keep tuning in to Y254 and I hope you've enjoyed the conversation. Remember, you can follow me at Pirilamo and all social media platforms. Okay. Mine is to give an appreciation to this. You've been so hospitable to us. And I hope to meet you again soon. We are both from the state. You have not. You have been such a wonderful guest. Let me give a shout out there. My dad, my sister Pia, my mom Pia, and then all comrades, some were at school. And Salimia, I'm a Q-Watch Pia. And you can follow me at Salimia 652 on all social media platforms. Thank you. Sorry, continue. Someone Nick from Muranga. Thank you. Bye. Thank you, Lisa.  But who aren't talking about boyfriends? It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. Cabras, you have put it correctly. You're going to have a beautiful, a beautiful morning between a couple. If you're taking me out. I think you'll have some curious about the situation. So I've tried to learn. For a while, I appreciate you, Malaysia's Tash, who ate too much. She ate too much. Kayala says, I'm going to present you with a keyboard. I'm going to turn it on. Karis Babakke says good morning. Bungoma Icon says good morning. MC Edwin Kipkorir says good morning from Eldorit. Jay Moilke says good morning. Prince Lovey says a new fan. I'm watching you guys. Thank you for watching so much. We appreciate you. Remember, you can always interact with us any time of the day. Don't worry. Thank you for allowing me into your home. Thank you for letting me host you. It's been phenomenal. I appreciate you, but in the meantime, have a good day and be safe. Okay, bye-bye.


We have to go to a referendum. If it goes through, if these people will not be objected in any way, there has been said already the report has used over 20 million and now if we have to vote billions, I mean if we have to move on, Rayla says it will go to less than two billions and the IBC says it will be more than 10 billions. What's your stand? Both of them are lying to us because one or another, they have a stake in that referendum. Someone wants to make money. That referendum, like I said, it's for two things, political formations and making money. Now they need to be honest enough and tell us the real reason but they won't because they'll tell you for Kenya to be safe, Rayla has to be somewhere, Guru has to be somewhere. And that, to be honest, you see, I was telling a friend of mine the other day, these people, they will talk about empowering the youth, they'll never do because they need the youth to throw stones. They need the youth when they're going for a rally, you know when they go for rallies and they post photos and they're happy about the crowd, I feel sad because that is the number of unemployment. When you call for a rally on Tuesday or Wednesday, let's say tomorrow, Hurupak, it will be packed to the brim and they'll enjoy it but for a young person that shows the lack of employment. Now, when they talk about empowering you and I via a referendum, that is a lie because they come from the school of thought, use them to control them. They will impoverish you so they come and give 500 shillings and tomorrow you'll demonstrate for them but you'll never see their sons and daughters. While you're demonstrating their sons and daughters are busy either like Kallonza, your son is in Iyala, your daughter will be in Poland, so you will be the full demonstrating. So I would like to urge the youth, that document has nothing to do with you and I, let us be honest, that's number one. And for you to wait to be liberated, it will never happen because the best liberations out of the mind, where you believe that you can solve your own issues, believe you me the only person who can save the other youth is the youth themselves. This old folk, you know this is what they say in English, old dogs can never learn new tricks. These are a group of people who came via Waikin 92, most of them, you know, that's where they started and they have gotten to a full circle of their politics.  The issue is objective, the issue is people centric leadership and the youth should rise up and be counted. That is my state. I think there is something important that the youth need to understand. That when we will be going into the referendum, the only thing that will be in the referendum, the constitutional question that will touch on the youth is something that is being called the youth commission. And what is in that amendment is a set of, you know, functions of that commission. And Nuri had already mentioned that these will be people appointed by the president. But those functions that are proposed to be amended in the constitution or to be included in the constitution are already present in the National Youth Council. In fact, if you read section 4 of the National Youth Council Act, it is more robust, it is more expensive than what is being proposed. So this is just a camouflage, it is just something that should lower the youth so that when you are told that this referendum is about you, you would rush and think that there is something there for you, but really there is nothing. If we are serious about engaging the youth and I must touch on inclusivity versus inclusion. I think what we must focus on is inclusivity and not inclusion. In as much as inclusion is the end product of inclusivity. We must look at making sure that youth are included in government. We should not be reduced to talking about unemployment. So after you employed, then what? If you have a bad economy, then it does not matter that you have a good job. I think then we must move from the youth being reduced to jobs and making sure that you have a business that is running. Let us have youth being engaged in how the economy of this country is run, in how the management of their affairs of this nation are run. And that cannot be done by giving youth jobs or making sure that they are employed. In fact, if we focus on employment, then we will be turning ourselves into the problem of the middle class in this country where you are comfortable with an 8 to 5 job and nothing else bothers you. So I think the youth need to arise and engage fully, not just in matters of employment, engage. We need to see youth talking about because we have graduates of economics and finance. Let us look at how these proposed amendments are going to be costed. What will it cost the country if we go this direction? Let us look at policies of government, not just touching on youth. The youth must engage in matters of agriculture, they must engage in matters of health, in matters of education. So I think we need to expand this youth engagement and let it be inclusivity and not just inclusion based on employment. Nadine, with this proposal being said, we might go for a referendum come 2021, actually early 2021. Do you think as a country following that we have been in a pandemic, everyone is crying whether they have no money? Of course there are those who have made money out of this, but truly speaking as a nation, are we ready to go for a referendum? That just shows the insensitive nature that we have with the politicians we have. These are examples. These guys, they forget the most important things right now. People have been retrenched. People have no homes. You are having demolitions left, right and center in the middle of a pandemic. But they will tell you that it is not a must.  That's a hoax. That shows you they are out of touch with reality and clearly they don't know what the people need. Most people if you work here and ask someone, what would you rather have? Food on the table or BBI referendum. They will choose food any other day. Because that document is just like, you know we had so many documents. Why haven't we ever implemented that TGRC document? Why? When you talk about historical issues, focus on them. Solve that. You know if you want to solve everything, have a holistic document. As you said, be sincere in what you are trying to say. We have had so many historical issues and problems that are not solved by a prime minister, deputy prime minister or an imperial president because that is where we are going. And you know what they forget, those who are part and parcel of the BBI. You know in law we say when you form in a law or making legislation, make one that is harsh for your worst opponent. So that when they are there it is hard for them to even implement it. But now when you are making something so sweet, imagine how the deputy president feels right now that he feels secluded, him and his group. Now imagine him as an imperial president. Would Rayla rejoice that? And now they are saying we are going to have an office of leader of opposition. Imagine president Ruto financing office of Rayla Molo Dinga to disturb him. Would that happen? There is something Hilary just before we proceed to the next issue. There is an agency. There seems to be an agency among the political class to get us to a referendum as fast as possible. I really wish that this agency would be transferred to some of the recommendations in the BBI report because Nudina has mentioned the TJRC report. When you look at the recommendations under land matters, they have mentioned Ndungu land report and the TJRC report. I really wish Senior Rengo would also be giving us timelines on when the TJRC report would be implemented. We would be happy as a country if they told us that by February 2021 the TJRC report would be implemented. Then Ndungu land report would be a reality, a full reality under this constitution. So I think when we want to judge the intents of the political class we look at where they are directing their agency and the agency is being directed at changing the structure of government. It has nothing to do with these other bits that they have attached to their real intentions. Before we conclude now that we have mentioned the gray areas and the misgivings of the document that people feel like they need to be amended. If I am now going the way of the deputy president, if it has been to be voted in, what is good about it? Because we always have the good on the other side. What's the good about this document? The good thing is that we've had the so-called pieces, they call it. What do I mean? If there was no handshake between Uhuru and Raila, Marega would never have complained like he did. That's a fact. But other than that, there is nothing. I'll tell you for a fact, there is nothing. The whole document is just a vacuum. A voluminous 204 pages that has some blank pages if you check. There are some blank pages. So the document, and with due respect to those who formulated that, they couldn't do better. That is shallow beyond shallow. If you do that during a graduate in law, if someone's project you ask him, you'd fail. Because you have not solved anything. You've raised questions with no answers or implementation mechanisms. So what I'd say the only good thing with the handshake is the peace. We no longer have Monday Manu Tuesday or Monday or Friday. People can, okay, you can work. You can try and, for lack of a better word, hustle here and there and campaign like Marega campaign. And that is nothing. Honestly, there is nothing. And I will say this, that we have not really experienced peace. What we have experienced is calm. There was a sense of political calm. And that does not translate to peace. If these politicians decided today to go back to their factory settings, this country will not be a peaceful country. So I think what we achieved was just a sense of calm. And now that you're talking about what is good and what is bad in this report, I think I will restate what I began with when we were beginning the show. That the only thing that this report has excelled at is taking an accurate medical history of this nation and correctly identifying the symptoms that we are facing. But it suffers an acute misdiagnosis. The thing it suffers is a dangerous misprescription because the things that are being prescribed do not match the symptoms, do not match the medical history. And I think when we're talking about medical terms, that means that you're almost killing a patient because if the symptoms do not match the diagnosis and if the diagnosis does not match the prescription, then it is akin to killing the patient. So I think the things that are touted as good, they appear good, but those things are blinding us from the real issues. And the real issue is that we have a failed government. And if we do not stick to the ball, if our eyes are not on the ball that this government has failed in doing several things, then we will rush through this process and say this BBI report is good and the succeeding government, which unfortunately will have this same women and men, which is about to use gentlemen, but I don't think that fits their profile. These are the same people who will be in the succeeding government. So if we do not point out the deficiencies of government, then we will think that this BBI report would have solved issues, but it will just be a cosmetic repair and we know what happens to make up when it rains heavily. So another eritorik question, as you give us your final comments gentlemen, I will begin with you Nudin, the elephant in the room, has this BBI responded to it because it was all about inclusion, the top leadership, that was the biggest thing then, they added up what we have been told from the youth, from the women and what have you, as you give us your final recommendations. For me I will say this and I will be clear about it. These laws that they want to make will affect the youth of this country. You have the advantage of time. These guys are living on what Zafarkum call Star 1, 4, 4 hush balance. They are here to come and go. Now you must wake up and decide what you feel will represent you better. Laws that are meant to hinder your progress say no to. Now what do I mean? You have been told to read the document. Go ahead and read it. Challenge this document. It's high time the young men and women, let us move from Twitter aunts, Instagram, Facebook to reality. I like a quote by Dedankimati. He said the way to freedom is not easy.  The youth of Kenya should be ready to sacrifice. Now my question to you as a young man, are you ready to sacrifice for your betterment? Because the economic freedom you are looking for will never be handed over to you. The doors you want opened, you have to break them down because they will never be opened. And what do I mean? Stand for what interests you and the country at large, but not what the politician says is good for you. We've heard a scenario where they said Baba Mesoma Katiba 2010 to Petishe. Now they are saying to Mesoma Ikosawa to Petishe. And then they'll wake up for two years and say you know what, we forgot something, let's change this. It's high time we know what really matters and stand for it. Now that this is a youth centric show, I really want to plead with the youth of this country as my brother has mentioned, that we really need to be awakened. We should not just support political factions for the sake of it or for the sake of our tribal inclinations. We must interrogate issues, we must interrogate policies and for the sake of this referendum because it's going to come. They have told us that whether we like it or not, it's going to come. So because it is here with us, we must interrogate this document and the impending constitutional amendments with very sober minds. And I will challenge you and Ram to come up with a program. If it is weekly, then that will be fine. Where we analyze specific items under the constitutional amendments and tear them into bits and digest them so that the youth of this country can understand what it actually means to support or to oppose this impending referendum.  I think if the youth of this country decide that they're going to pass these amendments, then let it be because they have considered that it is actually beneficial to them. So I want to exhort the youth of this country to make sure that we are not swayed because this constitution that we are planning to change is for posterity. We do not enact constitution just to change them nearly two or three years down the line. We enact them and indeed our preambo states that we are giving this constitution to ourselves and to posterity. So we must look at not just ourselves 50 years down the line but even our grandchildren. Alright, thank you so much gentlemen for coming and speaking to young people, our audience out there and of course everyone else who has been watching. And back home thank you so much for keeping us company. They have been my guest tonight Philip Mwangali leadership and governance consultant Nudin Kagai, political and governance expert. Thank you so much. I was sitting in for Ram Agoko hopefully next week who will be with him here with more matters of politics and what is happening around us. My name is Dereva Hillary. Thank you so much for being part of us. Have yourself a very good night.