Welcome to another in my series of a series on independent bookstores of San Diego Today I'm talking with Craig Maxwell of Maxwell's house of books is 82 85 La Mesa Boulevard in La Mesa, California Which he runs with his cat of Warsaw. So I think we may just have heard in the background there And my employer to be exact Okay, well the Some kind of working relationship and the cats do not generally welcomes uh, the The website is maxwells house of books calm There's also a facebook page, but it's got too many numbers for me to say but i'll have i'll have this stuff in the description So hi craig Hello, and we start by telling telling us a bit about about your bookstore well My bookstore is the fulfillment of a long-standing dream Owning my own used bookstore We've been in business close to 20 years now And prior to that I had I had worked for some time at Adams avenue used bookstore and The fulfillment of a long-standing dream I'd always wanted to have a bookstore. Am I coming through okay? Yes, you are okay All right, we're gonna turn it up just a little bit and I had worked in the used business before owning my own shop We've been here now about 20 years that prior to this I worked at Adams avenue bookstore and My grandfather owned a big bookstore downtown warm brocks book house He started that store in the 30s and so I'd like to think that bookselling runs in the in the blood So what kind of what kind of books do you carry? So i'm a general bookstore. We have everything from scholarly and academic Topics to just general reading. We have a lot of mysteries and science fiction paperbacks, too But our specialty is in In in academic and scholarly hardcover titles university presses We have a lot of philosophy fair amount of science literary criticism A lot of poetry history world history american history constitutional theory and law Etc. So that that's our specialty Oh, is it um, is it all used or used and new or or what? It it's all used really the only new books we have in the store are To fulfill requests for very popular titles from say students like 1984 or Brave New World We never seem to have enough of those on hand and so we order a stock of those New from Ingram periodically just to have them on hand What's it like, um You know, uh, you know for uh a few years ago everyone was was panicking about the the death of the independent bookstore The more recently there's been sort of more optimism that maybe They're coming back The pandemic has probably I think Oh, how's that gone? Both the Of amazon and the plague of Okay, well amazon has been the real the real plight on the second hand bookstore industry I was in the business before The advent of e-sales and so I remember what it was like to own a store or work for a store That had a regular clientele coming into the shop And buying books and looking for their favorite favorite titles and calling the store constantly to see if we had the Kinds of books they were looking for on hand And we would draw of course, uh a lot of locals Into the shop And but people from abroad too People from los angeles other parts of california and even even other parts of the country Would come and visit your shop to see if they could find the book they were looking for now Of course most of that is gone Uh and that was all due to amazon amazon killed the usebook business But in addition to that burden The latest pandemic of course is has put a strain on the walk-in Bookselling industry. We're still able to sell quite a few books online and the irony in all this may be that People's reluctance to go outside and buy Might mean that they're sitting in front of their computers and ordering more things. We've noticed No real decline in online sales, but the walk-in business has been slow So have you any particular strategy for Trying to deal with the you know with the amazon threat. I know that some people have talked to have Have talked about trying to provide some kind of services that a local usebook store can Provide that amazon can't so easily, um If you've got anything Along those lines You know, I'm a real leadite and so I I wouldn't know how to approach that Well, for example, they have um, some of them have had uh, like, um I've hosted uh, author talks in their Yeah, bookstores and or or reading groups or or things like that I've read about some of those those ventures and they sound like good ideas to me I have not participated in many of them We do have very occasional readings in the store And We have made contacts with regular buyers abroad Who have been good enough to give us their email addresses and so we're able to call them and and tell them about The arrivals of New inventory that might interest them if you want to donate them, but I haven't been especially innovative in that You know, I hate to admit this But we we have We've been selling on amazon of necessity and as much as I resent what they've done to the business Uh Using them has been Essential we we try to emphasize sales on smaller sites like uh, Biblio and ab books a little bit more and that's probably where we sell more of our better books But I would say Again, regretfully somewhat guiltily The bulk of our material goes out the the mail in Or through amazon Yeah, well, I've sold some things on amazon too Although amazon's getting sort of less and less friendly to independent sellers on amazon in various ways as well Oh, yes, no doubt They they are about as impersonal A leviathan as they could be, you know, and they're very hard to deal with Well, that's one advantage that um, you know that indy bookstores have over amazon is that um you know, if you've got a problem with amazon trying to Contact someone and get some kind of coherent resolution of it is you know is a bureaucratic Nightmare, it's virtually impossible.  Uh, you know, I was I was able to you know get a hold of you pretty quickly Getting a hold of you whoever the the equivalent would be at amazon with someone who could fix the problem Would be a Where I ordered something From uh, I can't remember whether it was amazon or morons and noble But they kept sending me the wrong thing and they kept sending it back Again, there's something that's unlike yeah, the indy book store where Some there's some conscious human who Who has some understanding of what's going on Yeah, yeah, it's dealing with them whether you're dealing with them as a buyer or a seller can Can be an experience ranging anywhere from disappointment To to inadvertent comedy, you know, it's it's almost impossible to find anyone to talk to um, and it it kind of reminds me of the the uh Some of the scenes in the mel brooks movie silent movie with the engulf and devour a corporation You know, that's that's my nickname for amazon, you know, it's It says this gigantic Impersonal behemoth, you know that we that won't talk to us as sellers and you know from the stories I've heard from buyers is every bit is bad Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, I've I've ordered a lot of things from amazon but uh, you know Where I live there aren't a lot of you know, there's not much in the way of independent bookstores where I live uh, so I Yeah, well, I guess I can order online very much Of course, that uh amazon tends to you know, have a good, you know, the better price point for um For ordering at least you've got the amazon prime, which I I can best I do um, but uh You know if I lived where there were more independent bookstores, I I would like to think that I would uh, I would patronize them more because Uh, you know, I like living in a place over there where they have them and yeah And so it's uh, you know, it's a perfectly self-interested thing to uh, uh, you know to stop there and try to keep them Going yeah, and I don't doubt you'd be one of those people and there are some others like you still The people that I remember back in the day when I worked at Adams Avenue bookstore who would come into the shop once or twice a week Not for anything In particular, but just to browse Uh, that was a regular part of the book business. They were names you knew and they were people who Over time became friends That has mostly disappeared, but there are still a few And I I get some of the old timers in the shop who will come in and just wander through the stacks Pick up small arm loads of books that they never intended Uh on encountering or buying But they just come into browse and that's I think as you were saying earlier One of those experiences that's possible in a physical store That uh, is not physical certainly not possible on amazon and not even possible In, you know, the countless In-home in garage Stores that people are running now as strictly online businesses You can't see their stuff Shoppers and browsers and to me that's that's the use And with you know with amazon, you know, sometimes you can look inside the book Uh online, although sometimes they'll show you a different Different edition from the one that you actually are interested in and see you think well I don't know whether you know this one looks like that one and sometimes you click on it and they actually get you the wrong book because um Yeah you Yeah, and and even there, you know, a lot of files that they have to semi-coordinate so And there's no human involved in doing it Well, they're human Right and you know, although You know, we all grew up hearing the the phrase you can't judge a book by its cover Although that may be strictly speaking true You can kind of a cover can arouse your interest Just the physicality of a book can pique your interest, you know an interesting old binding Or or some interesting cover art on a more recent book that has a dust jacket things like that can make you think I wonder what this is and and you wind up picking up three or four books like that and walking out with them. Well You know as a used bookseller, uh as someone with a physical store Uh That really warms my heart. I love to see people do that and to me that is the book business Not all this online selling that we do is a matter of necessity Uh, you know, even making you know deals with the devil like amazon in order to survive I I sure as hell wish I I could tell him to go to hell But um, but I can't You know, they've they've set the terms of of the survival of the modern bookseller and really I know very few very few who have been able to wean themselves away from from amazon People like larry McMurtry who have made a fortune writing Or other people there's one here in town. Uh, I know who runs a bookstore almost as a hobby They have other means of income and so they don't depend on amazon and and they don't use them Some of them don't sell online at all, but again that that's uh That's something I can't indulge Yeah, and um, you know, of course on amazon sometimes in the older book They just don't have any cover image at all and just have sort of a A blank rectangle Yeah, or or even worse. They give you what they call a stock image Which is a generic picture of a book that may not be the book you're expecting And a lot of people who order books are wanting to buy the book That that they bought originally years ago and you wind up with disappointed customers if they don't think that they've You know gotten gotten the exact book even if it's down to the correct pagination Or the correct illustrator for the book And sometimes I want to know whether you know, there'll be some reprint of some old book And I want to know whether this this reprint, you know, has copies of the original pages or whether it's been scanned With new text and if you can't open it Sometimes the description will tell you but often it won't and exactly and some of the you know, and some of those The scan jobs are very sloppy And you know, some yes, you know, some there's some places just sort of churns these things out So they scan them, but then no one really looks at it after it's been scanned and sometimes you get gibberish or Sometimes you get I remember one book that had a whole bunch of end note Numbers but they'd left out the actual end note uh um I remember I remember getting one book where I don't know what happened, but just all the pages were just scrambled It was just total chaos and oh my gosh about another time um because they you know, and the these You know, these places they're sort of the You know, they're the the book printer is equivalent of amazon only worse. I think Uh, and they just they just turn out these reprints and often they'll slap a copyright on them even if they're You know from the 18th century or something they'll just oh, yes They'll just do it and then uh, you know aggressively copyright troll anyone who wants to Who wants to sell a you know a more authentic version of it? So You know, they're there are sharks in these waters Oh, yes, even even Even book selling waters publishing waters you'd expect the the breed to be entirely benign They're not They're businessmen and jeff bezos proved that above all, you know, uh, it's for some people it's all about making money Yeah, whereas um, you know, I mean, you know, I'm all for making money, but you know uh, you know, there's something about you know You know just the the physical books a lot of people have predicted the physical books They're gonna go away and they're just gonna have the electronic books, but I don't think it's gonna happen I mean, I'll have you know, it'll happen with some people will be happy to go with the you know with the kindle or whatever but For me at least there's no substitute for having the the physical book. I mean having an electronic version can be useful, too doing um sometimes it's nice to have both because if you're uh, if you're You know, if you're searching for a particular word or phrase it might be better to have the Okay, just remembering, you know, what the page looked like that you're looking for then it's actually easier to find things up in the physical book right I was asked a number Years ago fairly regularly whether I thought uh, ebooks would replace Uh physical books and you know, and I I have never doubted the physical book Would survive but I've never been more confident of that than I am now. Uh, and uh I would say my My confidence has been both bolstered most of all by young readers because you know Old farts like me, you know Are still relatively enthralled with digital technology to the extent that we're interested in it Uh, it's something new to us. We remember a world that didn't have it And and so, you know, I think when I hear people my age and I'm nearly 60 talking about uh, you know, the conveniences or the ease of downloading books Uh, I have to kind of laugh because To kids this is nothing. Uh, they can do this in their sleep and The way kids respond to physical books in the store now Uh is is a response that I used to see years ago From older buyers. They're entranced by physical books by the beauty By the fact that they actually own something that no one can ever take a take back and You know, that's that's downloading a book is really leasing a title You never really own anything But they like the idea of having a physical object that has an appearance and aesthetic And they're they're crazy about books some of them and that really bolsters my confidence for the future and it's not going to suddenly vanish because uh, you know, because the You know, the publishing company suddenly decides to change the the rights on it. So just, you know pages will go blank. Yeah Uh, which can happen with with amazon and places like that Oddly, I find that some of my students Are not that expert with online stuff. They are not They're not okay. There's a lot of things I'm familiar with they often they don't know about google books, for example Okay, which surprised me And they don't know about the internet archive archive.org I'm saying, you know, when website website dies, they have no idea what to do next So I don't know whether that's something specific what my students are not but they Not all of them are some of them, of course, are very tech savvy, but Not all of them are of course one thing that They're all becoming pretty good at at zoom because Since we've had to teach a lot of courses online You know, we're doing it all through zoom and so they're getting yeah, they're getting used to that So In person in the fall, I reckon given that the The way Yeah I'm sure some of their Talent, you know has been honed by this latest pan by the necessities of the pandemic and you know schooling at home But thanks, right But some of them are Are awfully good. Yeah in my experience limited experience. There's virtually no problem I've ever had that I haven't been able to solve by turning to someone You know 30 years 40 years my junior and saying help Oh, yeah, they'll just walk me right through it, you know Experts and yes, but they do do like web design and on the side as a right, yes but but the The miracle of digital technology is has worn off on them And I think most of them are are more interested in physical books I don't I don't have any doubt at all that the physical book will survive Indefinitely, I don't think there will be any shortage of interest in books Going into the future. I sometimes worry more generally about Lack of readers It does seem to me that a significant significant number of people are being wooed away from From physical books and and the discipline It is sort of a discipline of reading by using their thumbs and texting people and you know Watching videos online and youtube etc etc That that is an issue, but But but I know I know enough young readers to be helpful Yeah, um Yeah, and I I don't think that the physical book is gonna is going to go away either In the uh Of course the experience of going into an actual bookstore Especially a used bookstore because used bookstores often have sort of more unpredictable Content, of course, I knew a really good new bookstore will too But a lot of new bookstores are just all gonna have the same stuff again. I have like the latest best sellers and so on um Whereas a used bookstore is going to have um, you know unpredictable things and You know, you're wandering down the aisles and to see something that You might not have um You might not have known to search for on amazon Uh, I mean amazon's algorithm is it's pretty good at suggesting You know things that might complement your interests usually all the sometimes it goes nuts But you know, it's you know, it's not really going to know what kind of it's going to catch your eye and I've discovered So many things just wandering around in in used bookstores And just question it's a whole environment of it. I remember one time um Uh, I was visiting a chicago with my girlfriend at the time and She said do you need to go to a bookstore like? bathroom Not that she wasn't a bookstore type too, but she was not quite as manic as I was Yeah Yeah I think I think you've touched on something there, you know, I have a number of subjects in the store That rarely sell And yet I I think that in order to be a real bookstore I need to have them And and so, you know, I I beef up on literary criticism on drama On on any number of subjects that uh, you know Are not exactly flying out the front door and that we only get requests for occasionally and that when you sell mostly sell online to scholars in in london or berlin or in china or russia But I feel like dammit This is a subject that to be a real bookstore. I have to have And i'm not going to get rid of it to make more space for paperback mysteries even though I make a lot more money off of them Uh, so there are holdouts like us and and you know, I'm I'm as committed to Uh perpetuating the the legitimate used bookstore experience as I am selling books Yeah, on a related note this is about libraries rather than bookstores. Well, when I was in grad school there was some trustee of the university who went into the Library and started making a fuss saying well, look, there are a lot of these books that haven't been checked out in You know 20 years We should get rid of any book that hasn't been checked out in the last 20 years Um, thankfully, you know sainter heads prevailed um, but you know Instead of asking, you know, how many how often has this book been checked out in the last 20 years? Yeah, what he should have asked himself was was uh, you know, how often Um, how often does a book that hasn't been checked out in the last 20 years Get checked out and that would be a much higher Uh, and of course also people don't check out everything they read They might uh, you know, they might read it in the library or look up some particular thing in the library So the idea the idea that someone like that should be a trustee of a Of universities, uh, you know, it was depressing It is Disheartening to say the least So much of the idea, I don't know what I've done in You know in university libraries has been looking at stuff that nobody had checked out for For 20 years or longer of because I had some you know weird arcane interest and something and uh If they just, you know, reduce it to like whatever everyone was doing it would drastically Reduce the value of Yeah, yeah I am More pleased to have customers come in the store and go to those sections that rarely sell and and and buy Find the things that they're looking for or find things that they didn't expect and And be excited about what they found Then I am Selling a box load of more popular stuff. I I think this is wonderful You know, here's that one guy that one gal who's who's you know, been hoping to find a store like mine It has say a big literary criticism section And they'll they'll buy a fair amount of it Uh, well that pleases me because I think that's something I need to have You know the only shake the only drama we ever sell Is is Shakespeare for students But I have a full theater section, of course And um You know, I I wouldn't consider not having uh, and when that occasional Uh drama aficionado comes in the shop and finds what they're after May it makes me happy. That's why we're here a little bit depressing that the only You know drama that students are being assigned to Shakespeare not everything in Shakespeare, but you know Not that I not that I love uh Shakespeare less, but you know, there's a lot of other drama Uh, sure as well that you know, were I teaching drama? I would I would want to assign Uh all kinds of stuff um Uh, you know right now although, you know, although I teach philosophy right now I'm teaching a Nietzsche and modern literature course and we need to teach Middle-Incubosity Development here and that's sort of I don't get to do that course very often. So that's sort of Delight to me wonderful Yeah, we have a big philosophy section in the store and you know We have the mainstays, you know the kinds of philosophers like Descartes and Hume and Kierkegaard and Nietzsche who are assigned But we have a lot of other thinkers too obscure continental Uh Thinkers obscure analytic Uh thinkers uh in obscure Even more obscure texts that uh, you know one in a million Uh would be interested in but we have them and and they're on the shelf for that one again that one devotee You know who's looking for the kind of stuff we carry. So And you know, it's difficult to keep the section stocked especially with used material because You know, it's hard to find good collections of philosophy Uh, but uh, but when I do it, it just pleases me greatly because I I have made an A point of carrying Uh more philosophy than the average use bookstore Well, again, another question I'm teaching right now is early modern philosophy and what we're doing a lot of the standards You know Descartes and Locke and so forth. I'm also As I always do my my reading lists are nightmares for my students I'm very Lots of reading, uh, but I'm also, you know, giving them, uh, you know, much more obscure things like, um this This piece on unfree will by Arthur Collins. No one ever reads Um, but a lot of these guys were responding to each other Uh, and if you you know, if you're only you're only getting part of the conversation if you just reading only the big names and not little bits of The other people right conversation with them Uh, you know, so I stick in a lot of these Uh, you know these more obscure thinkers, you know, not always at the same link. There's the longer ones Although sometimes right sometimes the fewer thinkers think are like really worth paying attention to I stick them in um, but uh you know, um Because you know because it's uh, you know because it's the um Uh, you know 17th and 18th century. Uh, it's pretty easy to find online Copyright free versions at least of this text that are in English um That uh, you know that kind of sign so I haven't I haven't assigned the physical copies because a lot of them are just Some of these things are just out of print. Um, like the Collins book. I think it's out of print. Um, uh, and it's uh um He's taking Locke's theory of free will and then he's doing something with it the block probably would not have liked But he's uh, but you know, it shows how how these people are picking up on some idea and then developing and so forth as a I want to give the feeling that there's a whole conversation. It wasn't just that there were these titans marching across the landscape um And uh, you know, but all these people were responding to each other and And uh part of an intellectual community Certainly Well, let's see, um Don't know, but I have any other questions. You have any other final comments or uh only Thank you to you for your interest in the business and Uh, and for your willingness to to do the interview and you know, I hope you have some luck and gain some exposure with it Uh, again, sometimes this is a hard business to be in but it's it's never not gratifying it's I look forward to every day here and uh, I love what we do and and um, you know, it wouldn't um wouldn't amount to much in the in the grand scheme of of Business goings on in the united states anymore the usebook business doesn't count for much in the eyes of most people But I'm so it's heartening to see someone like yourself take an interest in it I really thank you. I mean one reason I got started doing this is you know, being a displaced san diego and I you know, joy, uh, you know, some of his nostalgia reasons looking at uh travel videos about san diego But they never see anything about bookstores. They talk about beaches and restaurants and shopping malls things and you know, a lot of it's fine But uh, you know, I think a lot of people don't really realize that the san diego area has much of an Bookstores scene. They think it was sort of an anti-intellectual beach-oriented place and so I wanted to You know, I wanted to do the series and also find out a bit more myself about what some of the Yeah, the bookstores are and since I you know, since I can't visit personally both because of the pandemic and because I'm a thousand miles away Uh, you know the uh, you know, advantage of zoom is I can uh do this and um you know Hopefully sometime when I get uh, you know get back to the area. I can actually visit some of these places in person Terrific. Well, you know Yeah, well, I'd love to meet you and chat a little bit more in person I think you're right about people's impression of san diego as being mostly about you know girls surfing in the beach and parties but And it is all that but uh, but at san diego was actually on the map for used booksellers and and buyers It was an outstanding used book town in the day Um shops like my grandfather's which was the biggest in san diego for many years Um shops like joe. I was a kid. There was a place downtown called this is like in the 70s called Herwig or something like that. Does that joe herwigs? joe herwigs joe Was one of our best booksellers uh, joe started out as an employee of my grandfather Uh at warmbrocks Yeah, and eventually took off and founded his own shop. It was just around the corner from warmbrocks Uh, it was a a three-story store as well These were back in the days when you could afford those kinds of rents in a downtown district and when downtown districts were still real shopping mechas for people in big cities And uh, he was an outstanding bookseller I remember that yeah, we we would call him and say do you have and we just like give like the first couple words of the title and you say yes Oh, and he knew where it was. He knew exactly what it was and where it was and Yeah, oh joe must have had a kind of photographic memory because and did something that A lot of books booksellers don't do anymore.  They knew what they had Today my god, I I'm hard pressed to know what I have anymore because I'm never in the stacks I spend all time on my time either cataloging books finding books or wrapping books to mail One of my favorite jobs when I was in college as a work study student was was being a A shelver and checker in the libraries. I'd be The books appointed also going down the um, you know to see that all the books were in the right Places and moving them to where they ought to be if they if they weren't in their in their correct Yes, either Library of Congress or Dewey Decimal order because that's right That library was in the course of transitioning from Dewey Decimal to Library of Congress So some sections were under one and some were under another Yeah Yeah, I I worked in the library uh at my high school too And I think it was the only thing I ever did that I liked I had a Very undistinguished career in high school, but I love to read and I liked being in the library and And so yeah, I had that same taste that you did and it it's been with me a lifetime Yeah, well also in the course of doing that. I also that was also another way I discovered Books that I was interested in I might not have discovered This and um When I'd leave my shift I'd often be checking out some of the books I'd been shelving Okay, well, anyway, thanks a lot. Uh, this has been fun. I um, I hope that uh, you know that the Pandemic restrictions and and soon and you'll have more people Backing a store and although as I said this, you know, it's not like my channel has a huge viewership Particularly huge viewership in San Diego. So I hope that it helps a little bit Bring your store to the attention of someone or other Yeah, thank you Most appreciated Been a lot of fun. Thanks, Roger. Bye. Bye. Bye


Yeah, it's an old trailer Wow It has some people we like in it though I'll be the judge for that It's a Molly Allam film So it has Mohanl Cool And Taboo Yay! Been a while since we've seen Taboo Whom we love Yep And we think she, I mean if you had to rank She'd be number one in terms of just An actor Yeah In terms of actress She would be, I mean in my experience you probably Will disagree because you know more actresses In India In India, I, she would be like the Like here we have Meryl Streep is looked at As the actress that like all the other Actresses and actresses look at I would think it's the living legend is Taboo, as far as like living legend to be Kind of like how Nasseridin Shah is the male Living legend The living legend Yeah, yeah, a living legend I would say that absolutely Taboo Would be up there For me, she's the preeminent female actress in India Absolutely She's phenomenal But it's called Kapapani Kapalapani Yeah, so I like that It also has Amish Puri And then here's the synopsis In English it means black water It's a 96 Indian Molly Allam language It's like a historical period drama Remember how many times we would say it And we were like that's not even pronounced it What did we say? We used to say Malalyam Malalyam Malalyam Malalyam Malalyalam Versus Malalyalam Yes, that's what it was Anyway, it's a film is co-written and directed By Priya Darshan said in 1915 Its focus is on the lives of Indian Freedom fighters incarcerated in prison During the British Raj Cool It has those two actors so you know Yep Here we go Thank you Sumya And I know it's not the original trailer But that was a good re-edit of the film Really good re-edit Old trailer Yeah And I think that was probably their name Whoever actually edited it Into whatever trailer it is currently But for an old film I mean That was a good trailer for being an old film Really was That would be one of the better ones for sure Yeah It looked really interesting It looked intensive at moments And then it switched to Really pretty beautiful What do you expect? It's gonna have the love story part of it But I mean I'm gonna be honest It's never easy watching somebody lick Somebody's boots No That is Extremely degrading Yeah Obviously I had some of them Somebody do something like that To me as a server It didn't make me lick their shoes But it was a moment Of total condescension And What did they make you do? Wipe their shoes Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah They didn't make me do it I chose to do it And did it in the spirit of You think you're making me do this right now But I'm doing it And I know that even though I am the one in a position of servant I'm the king in this relationship Because you are the one Who's acting like a fool But you still did it Yeah, I did So did he Well, they were probably gonna kill him though Yeah I just No I vividly remember it I remember thinking Wow Which of the two of us here It's like being wealthy It's like I'm wealthier Than a lot of people I know Who have millions of dollars Yeah My quality of life My You know Because wealth isn't about How much money you make And It's like One of my favorite lines is like They can lock me up in prison But they can't stop my Happiness from breaking up You know Yeah So yeah I want to see this Because I guarantee It's gonna be one of those It'll be hard to watch Because we're gonna see British Do crappy acting And do crappy things to Indians That's gonna be hard to watch I would like to It looks good So yeah, you tell us if this is good I don't know what our next Molly Olive film is gonna be No, but like What I just had the thought We need to get at some point This is not a We need to mother India Right? Yeah We go through classics all the time Yeah There's so many to choose from But there's multiple Fahad Fasil movies that we need to watch There's that Yeah, but classic Molly Olive Like we just did Classic Tamil Yeah But we did do The whole Mahana one Oh, that's true That we didn't fully understand Was that early 2000s though? I think that was 90s I believe Okay It may have been I could be wrong Yeah, for me it's gotta be Like pre 2000s To really enter To start to enter the realm Of the classics of Indian cinema Don't you think? Yeah, but Does How many languages does Taboo speak? I think If I'm not mistaken She's done at least She does at least Three or four languages Like honestly She does Hindi films Yeah I wanna say That she's done Tamil In Telugu But I don't know that That's for sure Yeah But that's the case With so many actors in India So many of them do at least Two languages At least Wouldn't it be wonderful To talk to Taboo? Uh, yeah It would No, this is not foreshadowing I assume everybody Anytime we do anything now Everybody's like I know It's that interview coming It's like we can't It's not like impressive That we actually got it Right now it's just like Oh, I knew this was coming Yeah Really? It would be an honor To talk to Taboo Yes Um, sorry I'm trying to find the One that we watched I think it was in the 90s The room temperature May have been in the 90s Ha Fair night 90 degrees Celsius Is pretty darn hot I do On the subject of white people Um What's his name? Probably the best white actor In India that we haven't Got to explore yet His name is um What is his name? Um I don't know We're talking classic actor Like Tom Alter Uh Lagann No, we have yet to Oh We have yet to be explored Into Tom Alter Who was the guy that we liked In Land of Asante? Um Remember?  Like Change


This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network The NBA draft is tonight, but the NBA made sure it was in the headlines last night as well all throughout the night Well, I was asleep so rude So we're gonna break down the Kristoff's poor zingus trade by talking to Austin Swain for today getting his initial Feedback on that trade for the Celtics Grizzlies and Wizards that will talks in UFC in Jacksonville And I'll close things out by talking in NASCAR in Nashville all coming up here today on the show This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire calm My name is Jim Saunas. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire Joint here as mentioned by Austin Swain check them out on Twitter at a swing three you can find his work over at number fire And a common Austin the NBA is back And it was all for like a week or so announcing its presence with authority last night. How are you doing today? I'm doing good. I think that the NBA offseason is actually the unofficial fifth big sport We have the big four sports that the NBA offseason might be its own sport and adventure But you do UFC and you do NASCAR so I feel like you snubbed those sports me from the fifth slot there That's right. It when it's you and I doing this show together We can put NASCAR at five and nobody can can argue with us. It's the big two of UFC and NASCAR Matter that's my opinion, you know NBA can fight for third if it wants but you know, it's it's the USC and NASCAR show here I thought you were bringing me on to laugh at me because the Clippers were part of the trade yesterday Then they said, you know what get the Clippers package out of here I thought the Clippers were getting an insane deal for that kind of made sense And then we got this monster trade overnight while we were all sleeping. So you were not awake for this either. I Saw it just actually as I was going to bed. I was like, oh, that's nice Then went over to go to bed. I had a couple hours behind you here in Denver So I woke up to push notifications one being like nine hours before saying that the prosaengist trade is off And then there was one five hours before I woke up saying it was back on and I was like very confused So it took like a lot of digging going through different timelines Just trying to figure it all out. We're gonna piece together that trade for you here in a second We'll talk about the implications of that and then talk about some USC and then NASCAR later on the first day Reminder to make sure you're subscribed to the covering the spread podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts also Do not forget that all these shows do go up on the Fandal YouTube page as well And the Fandal TV plus apps if you want to watch covering the spread the video version check it out on YouTube or on the Fandal TV plus app for Amazon Fire TVs Apple TV and Roku as well Can get all these shows right over there Let's start things off Austin by talking about that trade last night If you miss the details of it nor trying to piece things together post waking up aka me Kristoff's poor zing is going to Boston along with the 25th overall pick tonight in a 2024 first Marcus smart is going to Memphis Tyus Jones. Shout out Minnesota Danilo Galanari Mike Mascala going to Washington along with the 35th pick for tonight the movement in the betting markets here The Celtics were five to one. They're now down to plus 460 a fan dual sportsbook They are the favorites to win the NBA finals next year. You got the grids is going 26 to 1 23 to 1 so Austin What's your initial takeaway from the straight here with Kristoff's poor zing is going to Boston? Yes, certainly. I think it does start with the Celtics just as it appears Fandal sportsbook Went ahead of mates the Celtics the favorites already and you you almost kind of go down a rabbit hole of all the different things that Kristoff's poor zing is such a multi-talented Faceted big consistent outside knockdown shooter can score in the post can protect the rim without sacrificing offense Which is such a rare skill in the NBA this days and he had a huge bounce back season with Washington where he was actually very healthy I think he had a freaking injury for a little bit But other than that he was pretty healthy compared to seasons prior So this is a huge deal for Boston and by the way They didn't really give up a lot of their collective assets to do it because they were a little crowded in their backcourt as well Couldn't really get Malcolm Brogdon very many minutes so they go ahead and deal Marcus smart to Memphis and I think people's are In large saying that Memphis lost this trade because they gave they gave up couple first-round picks They gave up Tyus Jones, and then they only got Marcus smart in return I see this as kind of they were forced into doing this because of the Dylan Brooks Shenanigans they they're not bringing Dylan Brooks back So they needed that wing defensive presence and now you have two former defensive player of the years Marcus smart Jaren Jackson like that is a nightmare to deal with In the playoffs in a playoff setting and smart is a much more consistent knockdown shooter than Dylan Brooks was so they basically Upgraded that spot you could argue that they paid too much in picks But these teams at least Memphis and Boston are so good that the picks are gonna be pretty non-negotiable So I think those two teams made out well, and you know, Washington's on this quest to the bottom Which is exactly what you want the NBA you don't want to be stuck in the middle you either want to get a guy like Victor when Benyama by being bad enough and That's the thing you have to remember with this trade for Washington is San Antonio Bottomed out last year gave away to Jean-Té Murray for pennies on the dollar the reason why so they could put themselves in position To get a star so I like this trade for all T3 teams I do believe Boston should be favored I Boston was very close to winning the title this year They got through that game seven then they would have hosted Denver for four games and who knows what would have happened So I think it's a good morning to be a Celtics fan now that you ended up with for zingus anyway now plus 460 is a pretty short number and It's a long time until the NBA Finals. There are a lot of other teams that could potentially be in contention Do you think that number is fair? You said that they should be the favorites. Do you think that plus 460? Fully accounts for that number Yeah, I certainly do I I would not bet this number personally because they're a lot of different paths Boston could take now It would not stun me in the least Boston could theoretically flip Jalen Brown to Portland tonight for the number three overall pick or whatever they'd want to do Because now they've got money moving down the road whether they want to extend Kristaps for zingus to a large closer to max size Contract because they're not going to be able to keep him Tatum and Jalen Brown. So the boss. I don't think Boston is a hundred percent set on stone of what they're doing Right this second for the future. So I wouldn't bet the Celtics at plus 460 right this second Yeah, but assuming those three stay on paper. That's what I'm looking at. I prefer Boston to Denver I think Phoenix I definitely need we need to see what they do with the rest of this offseason because their roster is thin Right now after that Bradley Beale trade And then also, you know, we'll see what the Lakers will see what Milwaukee does so this market still very much moving through free agency And free agency still to come the NBA draft tonight We may see more Domino's fall there as well So still a lot of a lot left to be decided in the NBA But Brandon or Austin does think that the Celtics deserve to be the favorites in the NBA for the NBA finals as of right now Let's talk about the USC because we got a pretty fun card coming up this weekend Austin The main event is Ilya to pariah taking on Josh and then right now to pariah is pretty heavy favorite over at Fandall's sportsbook money line there is minus 390 Josh and that is plus 280 What's your breakdown of this fight Austin any value see right now at Fandall's sportsbook? So that there's a slippery slope that I can get into with UFC when I give advice to people looking to bet UFC for the first time I'm showing value up to minus 550 here on Ilya to pariah But there is one if there's one thing that I do not regularly do in a sport where limbs break often It's pick up pennies in front of a bulldozer That's what I would call laying here minus 350 with to pariah in the event of injury or something like that And you might ask yourself, you know, why do we have such a lopsided main event theoretically? UFC made events are supposed to be the most competitive high-profile fights here But when you look at this matchup Josh Emmett, he's just not projected to compete on the map when grappling that Ilya to pariah In his last fight goes and dominates a guy in Bryce Mitchell the former boogeyman of this division grappling Nobody saw that outcome to pariah by submission Was well over 10 to 1 in that fight to pariah showed those skills And then Emmett in his last fight was just submitted by a guy who is less potent in that specific element in Yaya Rodriguez Rodriguez kind of a dynamic striker more of a well-rounded guy But to pariah is specifically a better grappler and you know, these are high-level fights But when I look at Josh Emmett, he tours me in June of 2020 and then he's had long recovery come back I don't think he's got the same gear, which is really sad You know, we see this with athletes and a lot of other sports negative 73 striking differential in three fights since His knockdown rate has dropped point six zero percentage points He really needs a knockout punch in this fight given all the danger. He's gonna face on the mat He's not a particularly efficient striker just a 37% striking accuracy He needs the bomb and I don't think he's got it and that's why why you see to pariah is such a heavy favorite here Okay, so minus 390 is a number where you're showing value, but not gonna bet that are there any places you want to take advantage of the mismatch here Or do you think it's kind of just to stay away because the markets are fully encapsulating the lopsided nature of this one So if I end up on a side in this fight You also see that the round props under two and a half is is juiced pretty significantly as well Expecting an early finish from to pariah I would probably look at to pariah by submission for a method of victory I it's a plus 150 or at least it was when I checked yesterday I've got a closer to minus 110 given the canyon that I mentioned grappling You talked about how Emma and his last fight was submitted by a less potent grappler to pariah Very aggressive. He actually leads the card in submission attempts for 15 minutes at 3.2 So he's not one of those guys that will kind of waffle around it to pariah is very aggressive in that domain I just the only path to failure for that would be if to pariah tries to proof is striking Against a guy in Josh Hammett that's done and accomplished a lot in featherweight and maybe a little bit less dangerous as I mentioned than perception Okay, so if you were to dive into this match would be on the to pariah by submission Which is plus 160 right now fangirls sports But but a lot of other fights on this card Austin when you look elsewhere on the card for Saturday Which bets are standing out to you starting off with money lines over at fangirls sportsbook? So a couple of underdogs that I absolutely love this week The first one a little bit shorter of a number Jillian Robertson was sitting around plus 100 Even money. She's on the prelim card and she's actually the UFC record holder for early stoppages at women's flyweight She's now competing at straw weight 10 pounds lighter. So she's a lot larger than most of the girls in this weight class She's gonna have a four inch reach advantage here significant power advantage is here So I'm a I got laughed at this on a laughed at for this on Twitter, but I'm projecting the best striking efficiency of her career It's not something she's overly comfortable with but when you have an advantage in reach when you have an advantage in power It's easier to get more comfortable in I even up on the ground This is a stalemate between Tabitha Ricci a black belt Jillian Robertson has a ton of submissions on her record Ricci's best win to this point was over 40 year old Jessica Ponae earlier this year. Whereas Jillian Robertson's been in there with Title challengers at flyweight like Miranda Maverick Tiger Santos She's been in there with a bunch of other girls in that division She and when you look at Tabitha Ricci, she had a negative 32 striking differential at distance to a fighter who went one and four in UFC so she's got a lot to prove her level of competition hasn't been very strong Robertson's has at flyweight She's just now transitioning down to straw weight She was dominant in her debut and when skill is limited in a lower level fight like this size matters the savage Jillian Roberts She's got more of it. I'd put her closer to minus 150 here. So I love the price that I'm getting Okay, that is for Ricci versus Robertson on the pre-lims for Saturday Robertson Moneyline plus 102 That's the first one Austin likes you mentioned there's a second Moneyline So like that one of the dog as well. Who else do you like here for a Saturday's card? So Jim I'm gonna guess that you have some people that like NFL football that tune into your show How about this story for you up on the main card? Austin Lane former Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end He's actually the second highest drafted NFL player ever today view in UFC. I Absolutely love hit this spot for him. He resides in Jacksonville still this is UFC Jacksonville Promoted to the main card earlier. I'm guessing it's not because they're expecting Austin Lane to get knocked out In Justin Tafa has been around longer. He has more experience in UFC But it's not exactly high-level experience. His three wins have come over guys that are just five and seven against all others He's got a negative point eight nine striking success rate very poor 49% striking defense at heavyweight striking defense very important to heavyweight Jim Those are heavy punches coming back your way and his is not very good Whereas you look at Lane through two appearances on the contender series plus 2.36 striking success rate He's much more athletic. He's still got that same exact body and frame that he had when he was playing in the NFL And it's just unbelievable athleticism and he showed more wrestling on the regional scene He is a better more well-rounded fighter assuming that he can take Tafa's mammoth punch And Tafa's got a lot of power, but a minus 186 price tag or at least that's what it was yesterday That was that's a long pay price to pay for power I will take skill with the former NFL player in Austin Lane. Yeah, Lane is plus 144 I now fandals sports, but I think the most interesting or Compelling thing here is not the fact that he was a former Jags player, but he fell he spells the name a US TEN we have you on your tin Austin a US T. I and we have Austin Cass on he is a US T I and I have not seen a US T EN and so I feel like we need to find a way to get Austin Lane on the show To hopefully complete the Austin triumph rip because I guess you could do on or why and why and is probably like a 2023 kind of thing, but like there are a lot of different spellings I thought we need to add an e to the profile here to TON Austin Matthews Toronto Maple Leafs star. I don't think you'll come on our podcast. He's probably That might be too aspirational Let me see here, are there any if I type into Google a US T yn Austin Gillette or Austin wiener wiener looks like they may be a Architect so we'll work on it. We'll get the why we'll try to complete everything here So we'll work on that but the money lines Austin likes more important than spellings of names He like Austin Lane plus 144 and Jillian Roberts and a plus one or two as far as money lines any prop stand out to you These were just up this morning So not a ton of turn a ton turn around time there, but anything you like right now Fandall So we got props at least on the main card in the featured prelim So the big fights we still got some props on Fandall sportsbook here on Thursday morning I am looking to the main card with Brendan Allen taking on Bruno Silva and Brendan Allen's pretty sizable favorite in this fight And you don't often see a exact method of victory as shortest plus 175 in a fight this close But Brendan Allen by submission. I don't hate laying this price even though it is pretty low It's closer to minus 105 for me when you look Allen in consecutive fights now has already become the first person in UFC to submit Chris Jotko and Andre Muniz Muniz is a guy that is a world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner Okay, he won championships worldwide and Brendan Allen submitted him. It was a giant shock You talk about north of 20 to 1 nobody saw him winning that fight that particular way Whereas Bruno Silva on the other side here He's already been submitted in UFC by someone else Gerald Mirchart And he now has six pro losses by submission to zero wins and when I see that on a fighter's record What that tells me they're not comfortable grappling and I think that could be the case with Silva Even when you look at how his UFC crew has played out a lot of favorable matchups against strikers He's now got this shot toward the rankings But Brendan Allen can do a little bit of both Allen averages 1.60 Submission attempts per 15 minutes not one of these ground guys that just happens to get lucky and go into one He's aggressive just like we talked about with Taporia I don't know if Silva's grappling is up to a UFC ranked caliber level when he was submitted by Mirchart You look at the fight. He's very uncomfortable Brendan Allen is a great submission practitioner I think this price is short for very good reason. Okay, the number is plus 175 right now for Allen to win by submission That is over at Fandal sportsbook for Brendan Allen versus Bruno Silva over on the main card What are the props you like in for Saturday Austin? Sure? And so um, let's take it Let's take a little bit of a dart plus 450 is a little bit longer of a dart here But I do like it the value that I get on it. I'm looking at Neil Magney He's taken on Phil row in the featured prelims. So this one will be right before transitions over to ABC and Neil Magney's a veteran been around the block a long long time Maybe you're not even a die-hard UFC fan You've heard Neil Magney because he's just been in big fights for a long long time and he's not really a potent finisher Just a 40.7% pro finishing rate But that's kind of dinged by a long career in UFC. He's been fighting tougher guys He didn't get a lot of easy matchups early in his career before he joined the promotion I think this is a great matchup for him to find one here So Jim if you scroll down, I'm looking at the double chance odds Which are essentially on fandom sportsbook IU access and inside the distance bet I like Neil Magney by knockout or submission if there's a disqualification this bet would be void But I like him by knockout or submission Which is an inside the distance because I have Phil row rated as his second easiest matchup in his last 19 fights 19 is a long time in the UFC The only one lower was an aging Robbie Waller back in 2020 Phil rose been fine at his level But that level is not this ranked level that Magney's been fighting at Phil rose first two UFC wins have been cut He lost by by decision to Gabe Green who's one and three against everyone else in UFC and then in his last fight He had a negative 47 striking differential But finds a miracle come from behind knockout of Nico Price Not only is Magney more historically durable than price, but he's also a lot better just in general and Magney just submitted Daniel Rodriguez Two fights ago Phil row has a 52% takedown defense so you can get him on the ground But I also wouldn't rule out just him overwhelming Phil row in a striking match There are levels to mixed martial arts Neil Magney's been fighting top five guys recently if he's lost Phil row hasn't been anywhere close. So I see this is a wildly Lopsided matchup. These guys kind of have similar frames similar styles So I think that's why UFC made this bout But I love Neil Magney is a favorite here and I love his inside the distance prop when he could be just a lot better Yeah, the double chance market Neil Magney by knockout or submission is plus 450 over at Fandall sportsbook He's 35 years old so a lot younger than I would have thought honestly based on the number of fights He's had and when you've been watching him It seems like to you there hasn't been enough falloff to concern you at all It seems like he's still chugging along well No, so the you know the recent stoppages were to Gilbert Burns top five guys I've got rock mana of top five guy a lot of welterweights in the world We're taking those same losses They've gotten everyone else and the interesting thing here Magney with all that experience is 35 Phil rose 32 with four UFC So it's not a huge age gap It's not this guy that is right in the smack dab middle of his prime Phil rose a little bit up there So he's also not evolving as much between camps typically veteran fighters It's kind of like NASCAR drivers where you kind of hit this saturation point in evolving your talent And then it's just how long your prime lasts from there 30 to 39. I can tell you that pretty exactly But yes, anyway, that's not related at all But okay, so the bets Austin likes for USC on Saturday to Jillian Robertson moneyline plus one or two Austin Lane moneyline plus 144 Brennan Allen by submission plus 175 and Neil Magney By or by knockout or submission at plus 450 Austin, I appreciate the time as always Enjoy the NBA draft tonight. Enjoy USC on Saturday. I'm looking forward to talking to you once again here soon on the show Sounds good. Yeah, I'll see you soon. All right. 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He was great in Gateway. He won Charlotte, which is also using the same package and Dover and Gateway did as well So he's checked a lot of key boxes Blaney's always been fantastic in Bristol, which is another concrete track So if you can get him longer than 9 to 1 I would take that right now Even if you were to force me to to bet a Vanduul right now I would take Blaney over Hamlin Blaney at 9 to 1 Hamlin 7 to 1 But I think the best value will come after practice. So my betting guy later today on a number fire I'll be talking about Blaney at 9 to 1 but I Think you know, I would shop around to see which in your Blaney out if it's 10 to 1 that's fine by me But I think that overall being on Blaney is going to be the right way to lean for this race As far as top 10 bets go not seeing a whole lot right now over at Fanduul sports, but closest one I got to you is Chris Busher. Busher is plus 270. I believe yeah 270 a Fanduul sportsbook I think I'm gonna hold off on top 10s until post practice too. So for right now It's just Blaney with the 9 to 1 is being the best value again shop around see if you can get 10 to 1 As far as the Xfinity series goes I am very close to showing value in Justin Allgaier He's plus 350 a Fanduul sportsbook and plot odds of that are 22.2 percent Whereas I've all got 21.9 percent.  So I can't get there personally I'm not gonna take a bad value He is close though. If you can get longer than plus 350 Allgaier destroys concrete He won Nashville last year He was runner-up to Kyle Busch the year before that so if you can get 4 to 1 on Allgaier I would take that for sure Haven't seen that as of right now. So to me kind of a stay away in the outright markets for the Xfinity series If I'm looking for bets in the Xfinity series I would look at top five markets elsewhere. That's three top five values I'm seeing our Austin Hill plus 150 Chandler Smith at plus 350 and Daniel Hamrick at plus 750. Hill is a guy We've talked a lot about on the show this year. We've been on his top five markets several times And it was okay here last year. He had a seventh place average running position in Nashville in 2022 So that's fine. But if you look at his form this year, it's been fantastic specifically the one that helped me get over the hump a lot was Dover where Hill had a third place average running position there So ran really well the entire race that to me was encouraging showing he can handle concrete He also finished third in Bristol last year another concrete track The concrete numbers for Hill in the truck series were not as great But he has improved as an overall driver a lot since then So I have Hill at 48% for a top five his implied odds at plus 150 or 40% So I'll take that for sure if you can get Hill at 12 to 1 or longer to win I would also consider that but the top five that my preferred route for betting Austin Hill Other ones as mentioned Chandler Smith at plus 350 Smith 29% for me versus 22% implied odds. He ran really well Bristol when he was in the truck series. So That's a good concrete track Dover not as great for him, but also not terrible. So Smith has been great overall this year. I've been very impressed with him colleague I think it's been underrated. I wound up taking their top five bets pretty often It's not been bad to me by any means. So I think Smith at plus 350 does make sense based on I think college being a bit underrated and the fact that Smith ran well at Bristol in the truck series as far as his teammate Daniel Hemric again plus 750 for a top five Hemric I think his form is better than you'd think he came out really fast in Charlotte And I thought that he'd run well in that race, but had some issues pretty early on I think that he was actually kind of live to win that race at one point early on Really good car there at Charlotte. He's historically run well in both Bristol and Dover in the XINITY series We haven't seen Hemric be as good at Nashville But thinking back to last year Colleague was in a massive rut at this point in the season and I think they acknowledge it as being like a thing where they didn't have The parts to keep up. They picked up over the summer. They've been pretty good to open up this year. So I've got Hemric at 21% for a top five his implied odds are 12% I'm going to take that so it for the XINITY series top five bets I like or Austin Hill plus 150 Chandler Smith at plus 350 and Daniel Hemric At plus 750 as far as the truck series goes I actually do show a tiny bit of value here on Grant Enfinger He is currently plus 750 at Vandals sportsbook to win this race the implied odds there are 11.8% I have Enfinger at 12.7% That's not enough me to take it especially because Enfinger doesn't tend to be super super fast in practice So might be able to get a better a better number on him post qualifying So Enfinger is the first guy on my radar for a win I do like Enfinger top five. He's plus 120 there whereas I'm at 50% So for a top five bet I prefer Enfinger over the outright at least as of right now the longer shot top fives are Chase Purdy at plus 650 and Jake Garcia at plus 750 and The reason why I'm on those guys is that there are no Xfinity or cup series drivers in this field because they're banned With this being a unique race for the truck series So that opens up a lot of value for the regulars who may not typically compete to push for Higher upside markets than we typically be looking into than that the outrides for Purdy 40 to one for this race Jake Garcia 50 to one I do show value there, but I think the top five markets are the better ones for them Both these guys are in really good equipment with Chase Purdy at Cowbush Motorsports Garcia's with McEnally Hilgman So he's teammates of Christian Ekkes was shown upside on intermediate tracks this year Purdy finished fifth a gateway So we've seen him do it on an intermediate track already and now again potentially a thinner field Garcia finished top 10 in Kansas Vegas and gateway and again easier field here I have both these guys at 20% for a top five Purdy's implied odds are 15% Garcia's implied odds are 13% So it is a leap of faith because these guys are pretty an experience They've not shown a ton of upside yet this year and I think that for them a top five is an upside market So I'll take it Purdy again is plus 650 for a top five and we've got Garcia at that Plus 750 I think both those good beds in addition to Grand Endfinger who is plus 120 for a top five this week So not seeing a lot of outrides for right now, but hopefully things can open up after practice We can dive in there instead That is all that we have here for today on covering the spread once again a big Thank you to Austin Swain for swinging by breaking down his thoughts on the Kristoff's Porzingis trade along with USC for this weekend check out Austin on Twitter at a swing free and I believe there will be a Podcast up for the DFS side of things on the number five or daily fantasy podcast feed talking about UFC as well If you've got any questions for me, I am on Twitter at Jim Sonnis J. 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