I believe that black people are capable. I don't believe that black people are utterly dependent on the government or people of goodwill. I believe that black people are absolutely capable. I saw a pretty good interview, and I thought, you know what, this merits some discussion. It would bench appear who is not a Christian, who is Jewish, who is conservative that a lot of Christians wish were a Christian. Obviously, we wish you were a Christian because we just want more Christians. But he's interviewing Dr. Vody Buckham, and he's talking really about just being a man, but they delve on some other topics as well. And so I want to deal with what's happening here. And listen, it's unfortunate that one group is getting kind of lambasted for being the face of a lot of what's wrong in terms of criminality in America, but let's just call it what it is. We're going to be honest. We're going to be serious. Now, is it just blacks who are, especially young blacks, who are involved in crime at this rate or that's growing? Well, Hispanics are involved to whites, and all the numbers are growing up. But unfortunately, a population percentage of, between 13 and 18%, depending on who you ask, that is involved in so much crime and chaos, that just can't be. And there's a way to fix that. There is a way to fix that, but it's whether we are willing to do so. I personally believe, this is me, that you do have to be a little bit heavy-handed on certain things, because if you are, then you immediately instill in the people, at least a better chance of doing so, that this sort of behavior or bad behavior will not be tolerated. But if you give them a slap on the wrist, especially as teenagers, because what they're learning is that if you just treat them like kids and give them a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance, a fifth chance, well, then by the time he's committed his first murder, we will have known that this kid has got a five-mile-long rap sheet. And we can't do that.  No one has made them feel any sort of punishment for it. When you look at this and you see, you see what's happening, and these are young kids, these are kids after they've been caught. Still in cars, driving around, you see them being caught, and then they're in court, and then they have some friends show up. Chaos in court, the young defendants cursing and carrying on with little regard for the law, the teens charged with the crimes, not the only ones causing a ruckus. Freeze, I can feel it back! A Broward County courtroom. Now, this young lady, she feels like it's okay to go, and just now, the lady that was there, the young girl, she's a girl, is causing a chaos, free-sowing, I don't know who she said, free-free-sowing-so, and then she wants to dance and this and that or what have you. Well, okay, Missy, tell me what we're gonna do. You're getting handcuffed. Now, this is what I would do, this is just me, because a judge should make a judgment call, and he should do so for the right reasons. In this case, you see this child is going down the wrong road. So what do you do? Obviously, this is gonna speak to parenting or lack thereof. Certainly a lack of respect for authority, but then maybe even a lack of a father for there. I don't know if her father's at home, if he is. Brother, if you are, you're not doing a good job. If you're not there, you certainly aren't doing a good enough job. Into a circus Tuesday, what was supposed to be a serious situation was met with laughing, smiling, kicking, cursing, and outbursts. Just one day after police say 14 suspects led them on a multi-city chase.  The end result, more individuals being taken into custody. I'm gonna get the cameras off. Hush your mouth, I said it.  They're already accused of stealing cars and running from police. Also, the four suspects are wanted for crimes in Broward Palm Beach and Martin County's ****. It started Monday evening when police say 14 stole this blue car at Lighthouse Point, then ditched it in Lauderdale Lakes, took off across this field and stole another car, police say. The suspects were caught, but the antics continued Tuesday in the courtroom when their friends were belligerent, then refused to leave. In the end, several more were arrested. So what do you do? I don't think that you can take it lightly because you know what the next step is. The next step one, they'll keep doing the same thing. You give them a night in jail. You give them a few days in jail or in juvenile. You give them a slap on the wrist. Well, that's not a big deal for them. That's not a big deal. If the punishment doesn't cause you to retreat within the punishment, it wasn't swift enough, wasn't strong enough. That's just, this is what it is. It used to be that you didn't need to give that much punishment for young kids. It used to be that way, but now, I don't have a problem with it, with them being sent to a place that's overcrowded. If it's overcrowded, fine. You caused it. You're adding to the overcrowded end because it's miserable for you. Well, maybe that'll be another reason for you to not do whatever it is that you did to go back. Because guys, it's not a far stretch to see that these kids become a disaster for society. That it's not hard to see if these kids are involved in drugs, selling drugs, using drugs, murder be on the scene, all sorts of things, but you can stop it now. Unfortunately, the parents aren't doing so, and that's where we are. Now, Vodibachem had his interview with Ben. Thought it was a good, I thought it was a good interview, and so let's just go ahead and delve into it because it relates to what we're talking about. You know, when Jesus, in one of his parables, talks about the parable of the talents, right? And you have the owner who gives, you know, different talents to different workers, right? There's one, and then, you know, there's two, and then there's five. He comes back, and one of them has done better with his talents than the others. Now, what he's talking about is this issue that we see where we are trying to make society kind of be fair, not fair in opportunity, but fair in output. So we want equal output instead of equal input. Listen, you have the right, you can choose to do this and that, but we should not determine that because you have failed or a particular segment of society isn't performing at the same level as another segment or the majority of population, well, then we need to fix that. Well, no, no, as a matter of fact, and so what he's talking about is that the fact that that's not even biblical, and he's using the parable of the talents. We'll go to that passage just a little bit, but he's using the parable of the talents to show that that's not how Christians ought to think. Chaos in court, the young defendant. And he doesn't take from the one who did poorly or take from the one who did well and give to the one who did poorly. He actually takes away from the one who did poorly and gives it to the one who does well. I refer to that parable because it really flies in the face of the idea that the Christian attitude ought to be equal outcomes. Nothing could be further from the truth. When it comes to it. Now, let's go to that passage. This is in Matthew 25, 14.  Notice that according to his own ability, the one with one wasn't given five. Why? Because the one with one could not handle five. We're gonna see that in a second. The one with two, you got what you could handle. The one with five, you deserve the most because you can handle the most. And he says, each according to his own ability and when he went on his journey, immediately the one who had received the five talents, you know the story, went and traded them and gained five more in the same manner. The one who had two did the same thing, but he who received the one talent went away and dug a hole in the ground and he had his master's money. And then we know the story comes back and he rewards the first two, one with the five, the one with the two, the one with the one who did absolutely nothing on what he was given. He didn't go and do like Bodhi was saying. He didn't take from the five and give to the one. No, or from the two and give to the one. He took from the one who had the least amount who wasn't even good with that and took that and gave to the one with the most. And so this idea of this equal distribution so forth, well, that flies in the face of what the Bible's teaching. And so that's the problem. And I'm glad he's made that case. That was one of the things that when we used to have our financial seminars, one of the things we talked about, there are some people who just can't handle enough they haven't been taught to and don't really honestly sounds bad but don't really deserve it. You don't have a right to wealth. You don't have a right to success. You don't have a right to be handed something because someone else has it. That doesn't mean that you're supposed to have it. The thing is though, as long as you have the ability, the space to go and perform. And can I be honest guys, if anyone says different, they're lying. Black people in America, Hispanic people in America and white folks, we have the same opportunity. Is it equal? No, some people live in California. Some people live in Iowa. Some people live in New Mexico. Some people live in Tennessee. Are the opportunities from state to state the same? No, they're not. But you have an opportunity nonetheless. Well, but my father wasn't there or we grew up poor. So what? So what? At some point in time, the excuses have to leave. If you haven't figured out, help is not on the way. There's no one coming to the rescue, whoever you are. If you are speaking as a whole for black folks, help it on the way. If you're speaking as a whole for women, help is not on the way. If you're speaking for Hispanics, help is not on the way. If you're speaking for your poor, be you poor black, white, Hispanic, whatever, help is not on the way. All the help that you're gonna get, you have. And you don't need anymore. All you need is, I've got a buddy of mine who, he was in the last live stream chat. I didn't say anything about what he is. He's doing his own business. And I don't mean to put his business out there. Hope he forgives me. He's probably on the plane now, going to see his fiance. But he told me that he's working and he's got a pickup truck. He does construction work. It's his business. It's not a big business, but he's trying to grow. He's working a lot of hours. He's down in the Houston area. And you all know what kind of temperatures we have here in Texas. And he's working and his AC is out. But you know what he's doing? Working anyway. I'm gonna push this baby, I'm gonna work as hard as I can to build something. That's what it's supposed to be. And I've seen black folks do it. I've seen white. I've seen a lot of people do it. But I've seen a lot of people who don't do it, complain about not having, because they didn't do what they needed to do, but complain because they don't have what they want. There's a problem, because there's always somebody that's gonna be there to pat them on the back and say, it's okay, I understand your plight. Let me help you. Which is really what I think social justice is very into. Obviously social justice has an individual component. There are people who believe that every individual should come out evenly, which essentially amounts to communism. But it seems like in today's day and age, it's more about group redistributive justice. It could be myriad reasons that we have those kinds of disparities. And not all of them are things that we need to do something about, right? Now I wanna deal with what he's talking about. Vody says that there's a lot of different reasons why, particularly black folks, don't have the same sort of level of success or the same amount of things that others, it's there could be a myriad of reasons. But what do you think about that? Is slavery, is the stench of slavery, is the residue of Jim Crow and racism in America? There was racism, there was institutional racism at some point in time it was. Now, do I think that there is institutionalized racism? Now, I don't think so. Do I think that there are racist people in America? Sure, of course. Let's just put it on the table. There are racist people in America.   So what? So what? I can't think of the one thing that a racist person has done to stop me from doing what I wanna do. I can't think now. Can a racist person be in a position to where they hinder what I'm doing? Sure, so can a non-racist person?  Sure, can't stop me though. Can't stop me. What about a person who's blind and can't see what I look like? Yes, there's obstacles, all sorts of things. So I'm not bothered by that. I don't think that anything that I've ever gotten in my life, either good or bad, I could blame on anybody but myself. Going to school, getting a job, so forth. That was me. Everything that I've done was me, even to the bad. That was me. White man, that's it, me to jail. That was all me. So I think that's a problem, but his point is there's a myriad of reasons. And personally, I kinda think that the last of those reasons, the least of those reasons, happens to be racism, particularly slavery. Yeah, but Cory, people didn't have, you don't have that legacy of people coming out with land and so forth, families being able to leave. Well, okay, fine, fine. You can make the point that someone white may have had another wealthy white person and leave them some land and stuff like that. Well, first of all, all white folks aren't wealthy and they don't have it to leave to everybody. Secondly, most money is new money. Most millionaires are new. They're not legacy millionaires. In other words, most millionaires did not inherit their money.  You can, listen, I know millionaires who were landscapers and built their, I know millionaires who have that. I've got a buddy of mine, a buddy of mine. Listen guys, out of prison, does heating and air conditioning made enough to where he can start doing his own thing and now he has his own business and he travels a lot. He's got a bad jacket, in other words, prison, but he's also got to work at it. And so he's making it.  What else you need? And we go to, he's done well for himself without complaining. And so whatever the reasons are, are they valid? Are any of them valid? That's the question. I mean, Austrians make great violins, right? I mean, that just, thank God for that, right? We don't just say, hey, you guys, you know, stop making so many violins and we're gonna make, no, we just say, hey, they're good at that. You know, most people are not as good at that as they are. Praise God for that. Let's go get violins from them. But this idea that somehow any kind of disparity among groups is just sort of a de facto injustice, that's hugely problematic. And how do you think that that's impacted, particularly black Americans? So this has obviously come up in the context of multiple groups, but most prominently in the United States, the issue that the Biden administration has taken up is the idea that black Americans have been left behind by the system. And now we have to have systems that are put in place to redress this. You see? Okay, before we go, does, when people, now Ben's not making that point, but when people say that they've been left behind by the system and we've got to use the system to put in place things to kind of help them, do you all agree? See, I believe this, when a person is so, so, and especially if they don't know you, but they're so benevolent and willing to help you, doesn't that usually mean that there's something coming with that? For example, if I say that you vote for me, I'll do this for you.  What do I have, what do I have to give you in return? Nothing, just your loyalty without a question. You gotta give me your loyalty, no questions asked. Okay, no. Because we see what that's got in us, but should the system be set up to do for people? That's the question Ben is getting at, as well as voting is gonna address this as well. On a more specific level, in California, in Illinois, there are places that are actively talking now about, for example, slavery reparations to make up for the injustices of the past. How do you deal with that? Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things. Number one, if there are individuals who've been put upon, if there's been injustice, then there should be legal redress for that injustice. However, my family, you know, I have this nice wholesome German name, right? My family was slaves. My family's been in America since, as far as I can tell, around the early to mid 1700s. So if we were talking about, you know, at the end of slavery, saying and doing something at the end of slavery for those members of my family who experienced that, then I'm, yeah, I'm all with you. So if we could give something to the people that were immediately affected, in other words, to the slaves, but his point is, well, how do we figure out who's been affected? Because everybody black that's here doesn't have a lineage here in America. There are second, third, fourth, fifth generation blacks who, their parents came from some other part of the world, came from the Caribbean, came, well, but they were slaves there, well, they weren't our slaves. There were some white people whose families, who has a lineage of slavery. Well, they were slaves, but this person married that person and so forth, and so now through the ranks, well, now they don't look black anymore. So what do you do? What about the people who are not from this country? That's the question. So how do you make this fit? How do you figure this out? That's a hard one. But then what about also the blacks who, well, yeah, it wasn't a whole lot, but there was some blacks who owned slaves. Do we have to go and now make them give restitution? Well, no, we're gonna make the government do so. You wait a minute, the government that's already in debt, we're gonna make the government, okay, okay. But talking about that now, I think it's inappropriate for a number of reasons, number one, because how do we determine who and what those individuals are? But number two, there have been a lot of legal redresses over the years. I think thirdly. Hold on, now, what he's talking about here, if I understand him correctly, he didn't go into detail on this, but where he's getting at is that you'd have things like such as affirmative action and so forth. Now, I've never thought that affirmative action was ever the right way to go. I thought that even as a, I remember we used to have in our little social studies classes, civics classes growing up, we would talk about these things, and I was never, never a fan of it. It made no sense then. Because when you go back and look at blacks, as you see blacks making their greatest gains, there was no affirmative action at the time. There was no affirmative action at the time. I've got to address this. I've got to address this. Patrick says that the police are the biggest gains. Really, you think the police are the biggest gains? Are there some problems with the police? Sure, because there are human beings inside the police forces, and so you're gonna have some problems. But do you think they're the biggest gains? I don't, I would have to disagree. I think the biggest gains are gains. Listen, the first time, the second or third time that you have encounters with gangs, you recognize first of all, when you get in the midst of a gang and they've turned their attention on you, do you know who you want now? You want some police? You want some police, you want some blue love now at that moment. Now all of a sudden blue lives matter when the gangs are turned towards you.  They need to go. There's no if ands, buts about it. Don't have a private, listen, if I wouldn't go to their hood and say it, but I'd say it, listen, you need to go.  So I wouldn't say they're the biggest gangs. Have there been some problems with police officers? Sure, but they've been a problem with everybody else too. There are issues in the black community, for example, that we know contribute to some of the disparities. For example, when you have almost 75% of black children born on a wedlock. And we know that regardless of a person's ethnicity, there are consequences to that. There are consequences in terms of incarceration, in terms of dropout rates, in terms of drugs, alcohol, violence, you know, and all these sorts of things. Well, if we know that those things are there, my big problem with the social justice crowd is if everything goes back to social justice, then there are some things that ought to be addressed that don't get addressed. Now, his point is about how we address, but let me just, let me, speaking of addressing, let me address this person.   Somebody, Corey and Vody, you spelled Vody wrong, by the way, both sound like raccoons. So you called me a coon, that, listen, okay.   Not the reason why I can't get anywhere. It's the reason why you can't get anywhere. So no, what have I said that was wrong so far? And I don't know if you've been banned. I hope they haven't banned you, whatever feeling so. But what did I say? What has been said thus far, that's wrong. By the way, I'm not sure how old you are. I know how young you sound. But what's the problem that's been stated so far? Because this is what we used to say in the 80s, in the 70s, in the 60s. Previously, this is how we used to believe as black folks. Someone coming around wanting to make use of black folks. No, you got to go. I don't need you. Can you tell me if a white man said, come here boy.   Because a man is not looking for someone else to always help them.  Let me help you out. Let me fill this application for you. Is that what you want? It's not what I want. If I'm in the competition with somebody, let's say I'm getting ready to race somebody. I'm so much better than you. I'm going to give you a head start. I don't want a head start. I don't want a head start at all.  I want to beat you. I don't need you to give me any sort of advantage because the reason why you're giving me some sort of advantage, some sort of help is because you look down on me and you think that I cannot do it unless you help me. What I need for you to do, Mr. Person, is to kindly move aside. I'm going to ask you to move aside for my benefit. No, sir, no sir, as they say in the South, no sir. I'm asking you to move aside so you don't get ran over because I'm not stopping at what I'm doing.  I don't need you to help me. You can't do anything for me. You can slow me down.  You are literally part of the problem.  If you're white, well then you just proved my point. But what was raccoon, what was coonish about that? Holding black folks to a standard, expecting that black folks can do it? Really? No, sir, let's be honest. In Jesus' name, I'm just gonna be honest with you. But if you're black, you sound like you sold us out. That's what it sounds like. It really, and that's part of the problem. You and everyone else that wants to fix stuff up for you. Can I ask you a question? I'm wondering, do you have a license? Or is that too difficult, that too racist to get? See, we're gonna keep having these problems and folks are gonna keep saying these are the issues, but you never deal with it. You never deal with it, and so consequently, you'll sell that lie to your children. You'll sell that lie to anyone else that will listen, and they don't make it anywhere. They can't do for themselves. So you help to create foster generation of young black people who don't know how to be independent. Because we blame the wrong cause. So how do you think that message has been received? One is that people feel actually empowered by that message because it suggests that they actually have more in their hands than they thought they did. It's not sort of shadowing a various forces that are out to get them. Most of these decisions are actually things that you can do in your own personal life. There's no shadowy historic force that's forcing you to impregnate a girl and take off.  So some people seem energized by that. Other people seem enervated by that. They almost seem empowered by the message that society is discriminating against them. It gives them a sense of purpose. It gives them some things to direct their opposition to. How do you think the message is? So he's asking this little message about really what Vodia is saying and what most blacks used to say all the time this issue of self-empowerment like every other community in America does. Look at every other community in America that's thriving. They're looking to themselves, either as a community or just by themselves, period. But there are those that this argument is bothersome because what they'd rather hear is the excuses and that somebody's got to come help. That's what they'd rather hear. It's infuriated them to hear that. Which is actual. I usually get eye rolls and here we go again with the victim blaming. I usually get people who will accuse me of being out of touch. Of course, here I am and obviously, I don't know what it's like to have some of those kind of disadvantages. And those people obviously don't know me. By the way, Vodia, like myself, from the hood. He was born in South Central Los Angeles. He's from the hood, born to a teenage mother. So he knows what it's like. I know what it's like. So it's almost like folks think that if you say something like this that you must have grew up on the right side of tracks. Well, no, no, no. If the right side of tracks is my side of town, then I guess so. But no, my side of town, my side of tracks had a whole lot of graffiti, had a whole lot of litter and so forth. Had a whole lot of crime and gangs. And so if that's what you mean by the right side of tracks, then I guess so. Who I am or where I'm from because I very much know what it's like to have those kinds of disadvantages. But I don't worry about that. I don't worry about how people take that as much as I worry about doing something about the problems that exist. I believe that black people are capable. I don't believe that black people are utterly dependent on the government or people of goodwill. I believe that black people are absolutely capable. People who- I'm gonna come back to that in a second, but let me just go to this. Because it's incumbent upon everybody in your own community to take care of your community, but it's also incumbent upon you to take care of and provide for your own family, for your own household. Let me just read this, because I think this applies. This is the first Timothy 5.8. He says that, but if anyone does not provide for his own, his own. Now, that can be locally or just kind of in close proximity, but he says, especially for those of his household, especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. He has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. So if you are able-bodied, you've got the ability to go out and work. You got two feet, two hands, or you know what, one foot, one hand, but you can still go out and work, then you are required to do so, especially if you name the name of Christ. We've got too many people that don't do so.  That's a problem. And that's what we're seeing happening by and large in many places in our community. There is no reason. And by the way, by the way, let me just say this also, the place that you live in, the community that you live in, if it's a lot of crime and drugs, you don't owe that community anything to keep it real and stay there. Don't leave, don't forget where you came from. No, if it's bad leave. If it's bad leave, get out of there. Go to some place where you can raise your children safely in a good environment where other folks have some sense.  Leave. Amen. But I wanna play what he just said because I think that needs to be stated. Accused me of being out of touch. Of course, here I am and obviously, I don't know what it's like to have some of those kind of disadvantages. And those people obviously don't know me, who I am or where I'm from because I very much know what it's like to have those kinds of disadvantages. But I don't worry about that. I don't worry about how people take that as much as I worry about doing something about the problems that exist. I believe that black people are capable. I don't believe that black people are utterly dependent on the government or people of goodwill. I believe that black people are absolutely capable. I was raised by a single black mother who was absolutely capable, who did everything that she could do to see to it that I had advantages that she didn't have. The vast majority of people who grow up in those circumstances don't end up at the same sort of conclusion that you do politically or with regard to values. Now he's asking, he's gonna ask me, how did you get to your conclusion? How did you develop this? And listen to what he says, how he came to his conclusion, how he looks at life. How did you end up with this set of values? You know, there was a long and winding road. You know, when I was younger, I would have been more in the sort of black nationalist vein. If you think about Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, I would have been more on the Malcolm X black power side. But I came to faith late in life. I never heard the gospel until I was in university. I was raised by a single teenage Buddhist mother in South Central Los Angeles. And so that was kind of my faith reference point. And I heard about Christ, I heard about Christianity and I believed the gospel. I believed in Christ as my Lord and Savior. And it changed my life. Well, amen, amen. One, amen to what you're saying too. Am I the only one? It can't be me. And I think it needs to be said. Am I the only one that's just saying, Vody, just go ahead and just get rid of that up top. Just go ahead and listen, let go, let God. That's what's out of the point though. But what he said, absolutely. It's hard to imagine a person being a Christian, but feeling defeated like that. I have to turn around and question your faith. I've got to question your faith if you claim to know the one true God. And you feel defeated. You claim to know the one true God who has your back, that he's more than the world against you.   Now don't run to God and just, what was me Lord? No, that's the part, that's the disconnect that I have. If you are in Christ, one, you should have a work ethic because if you're reading your Bible, you can gain a lot of life, learn a lot of life lessons just by reading God's word. You really can't. The book isn't just there just to put your coffee on it. So I think that's amazing that he said that. I'm glad he said that. I expected him to have said that, but those of us that are making excuses, can you say that? And slowly it began to change my worldview as well. And then looking at the scriptures and being serious about what it meant to be a follower of Christ. Now there's a passage, I've gotta cover this passage. I gotta cover this passage, John 8. We always go to John 8, 36, but let's go to 35 first. The slave does not remain in the house forever. The sun does remain forever. And so if the sun makes you free, you will be free indeed.   You've had an encounter with the Lord and this is your mentality? Blaming everything and everybody, you can't get ahead for whatever reason. Y'all do realize, I don't know if y'all know this or not, but do you know that there were people that were oppressed that had prejudicial people that come at them in Jesus' day, they had slaves. Yep, they had a lot of legal prostitution. They had a lot of the same things that we have. They have disenfranchised people. They had a lot of poor people.  So he wasn't unaware of these things. And you know Jesus still didn't come and say, you know what, let me leave the campaign. Let me leave the march. No, because in him, you can be free. Now, obviously we're speaking spiritually, but at the same time, if you're free spiritually, shouldn't your mind also be free too? And stop thinking about the same ways other people who are in bondage, into sin, spiritually speaking, should you think the same what they think? No, you should not. You just absolutely should not.  And then of course, you know, through my education and other things, I think through being a student of history, that just began to change my worldview as well and becoming aware of in some instances, you know, nefarious actors who benefit greatly from convincing black people and others that our problems are from outside. So again, it was a process. Part of that process was when I got old enough to find a little trouble, and this is before I even became a Christian, my mother shipped me out and got on a Greyhound bus for three days and went from Los Angeles, California to Beaufort, South Carolina and lived for about a year with her oldest brother who was a retired drill instructor in the Marine Corps. He had done 22 years in the Marines, two tours in Vietnam. His first time having a man in the house and it was a life-altering experience. He was a man's man. He was self-reliant, you know, taught me how to hunt and fish and, you know, everything else. So I wanna address this. Sean Schelf says, Corey, you are so simplistic in your analysis. Okay. How come people that think like me tend to do well? I'm not saying everybody, but they tend to. So explain, help me understand how complex and complicated this is. What, tell me what am I missing? Tell me what am I, I'm just glossing over. Thank you, David, if I'm a superstar. I appreciate that, but tell me. Tell me where I'm wrong. Tell me, tell me where you're right. Tell me what we should be looking at. Tell me where we should find help. Tell me what we can do to fix this, where we don't have kids running in these stores and looting and so forth. Listen, it used to be, folks used to have a common decency to loot whenever there was a riot. Now they just go and just loot just because. Yeah, you know what?   Surely you have thought this through and you have a ready-made response because I don't see anything wrong with what he said or what I'm saying. So I just need, yes, the common decency to wait. It's supposed to at least wait till there's less nighttime and there's some fires burning. There's a good riot going on. Now they don't need that. Let's go loot the place no matter what. So help me out. I would love to hear. Someone says, Corey, can you please speak on the gang glamorization of the culture? We glamorize the wrong stuff. We do.  Who's the white? Now, Hispanics, they have this problem too, but who's the white artist? Where you got the women twerking, where you got the guys, the men talking about selling drugs and shooting somebody and killing somebody and this and that, this gang murder culture. Where? We don't see this like in other groups like we see in our society, with black folks. So tell me, I think what's happening is, I think what has happened is there are some people who don't wanna offend someone else. I think it's okay.  I know there's some folks that wanna make you feel bad because you call it out, because they're doing, listen, call it out. Call it out.  Call it out, let them call you Karen.  But wrong is wrong. Yeah, gang culture's pretty bad in Mexico, but. They promised us 40 acres in the mule we are owed a debt. Well, you know what, we wouldn't be owed a debt if we weren't sold in slavery in the first place, which would be your sold in slavery by other blacks. I'm not making light of, but man, let's just be honest. You're not getting that 40 acres. You're not getting that. You're not getting any of those things, but you've got to be, listen, you know what you have? You know what you have?  You've got an opportunity to go to school and get education. You've got an opportunity to get a job. You can go to college. Now, sometimes college isn't worth it, but you got all these opportunities. I say go and take advantage of those opportunities. If you have exhausted all of your opportunities and white folks have put their feet in your way at every turn, well then you got something to gripe about. I don't think we're gonna see that. I don't think we're gonna see that. I haven't seen it. I've seen white and black folks get in my way. Can I be honest with you? Which race do you think I've seen in my way most of the time? Come on, black folks, in the chat.  Come on, tell the truth. Shame the devil. Let's be honest. Sometimes we get in our own way and sometimes we have that mentality because if they see you trying to do well, other folks, they get bothered. Now there's haters in every group.  You might wanna get some new friends. If I got friends, if I have friends who talk negatively about what I'm doing, you're not my friend. You got to go, bye. Hey listen, I gotta take care of something. I'll talk with you later. I can't deal with it. One thing that I just absolutely loathe is a negative spirit. I cannot stand it. I cannot stand it. I told him. You have to be careful when you say this.   Kill myself. What do you mean? I mean, you're not just complaining.   The point is not to go kill yourself. The point is, do something about it. Really, really more to the point.  If you're not gonna do anything about it, I'm not gonna do it for you. That, it bothers me. I cannot, listen, complaining bothers me. I don't know what to do other than move away from those people because they are a drain on you. By the way, does Sean ever tell me why I was simplistic? Let me type in Sean, because I would like to know before we leave. I need to know. No, ever since then he hadn't said anything. So, okay, but you made a, you can know the one true guy and still be raped, murdered, tortured, robbed and imprisoned. So I gotta do the white folks. Because the person that's doing this is someone, most cases, someone that looks like you. And then the one that's doing it in most cases in our society tends to be folks that have my color. So my point is, I think Vody's point is, away with the excuses and just get moving, get to do something. Take responsibility. And if there are people in the community that don't want to take responsibility, if there are people in the community that you need to move, well then move them. Get rid of this anti-snitch mentality. Deal with the problems. That way your problems won't deal with you. So anyway, I thought that was a good conversation. I would recommend that you guys go and watch the rest of this. But more to the point, take a stand, be responsible. All you can do is all you can do, well then be responsible at home. Make sure the kids around you understand. Teach them to have a work ethic. Teach them how to be responsible at home. If you pull something out, put it up. That's your responsibility. Don't increase my burden. Don't do that.  That carries forward in life. If they give you an assignment in school, do the assignment, ask for extra credit. If you got a bill to pay, pay the bill. When should you pay it? Well, pay it before they ask for you to pay it. Don't create a lot of extra debt.  That's how you do that. Why? Because that's the successful ingredient that works. It's prescribed by the Bible if you know the Lord Jesus and you don't do this, well then something is wrong. Amen.


Thank you. Thank you very much everyone. It's pretty cool to be here. I've only ever done this talk online because of the last two years so it's actually good to see faces for the first time. So yeah, I'm here today to talk to you about the Mayflower Autonomous Ship. It's a really cool project that's been going on for about two years now, oh actually it's been going on for way longer but two years just for me, and it's a collaboration between IBM and an organisation called Promare. So just get out of the way, I'm just here because I think it's really cool, I think people might want to know about it, so all of my opinions are my own etc etc. So just quickly about me, so maker, IoT enthusiast, I worked a lot on the Eclipse projects for the MQTT PAHO clients. I work for IBM Research so there's this amazing house down near Winchester in Southampton called IBM Hursley. It's one of the biggest software labs in the UK for IBM and it's basically where our IBM research team works to solve problems for people where there aren't solutions yet, so typically people will come to us going, I've got this problem, everyone says it can't be done, can't find an off the shelf solution for it, and we go, ah we'll do it, and we usually figure out a way somehow, and that's usually by reaching into some of the really cool work that our colleagues in research have done and bringing it into the real world. As part of that I work at Wimbledon, IBM have got a 30 year plus partnership with the tournament there so we tend to do all of the statistics and stats capture, getting it out to the website, your TV graphics and all that kind of cool stuff, and then finally the Mayflower Autonomous Ship, which has pretty much taken up most of my time for the last two years. So what is this thing? It's a fully autonomous, cruel-less, full-sized ship capable of independently traversing oceans, which is a really, really important thing. The background from where this came about was about five, six years ago, Plymouth Town Council were looking for a way to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the original Mayflower making its way from Plymouth in the UK to Plymouth in the United States with the pilgrims, and they were thinking oh you know maybe we'll just build a replica or something, and there's this guy in the room called Brett who owns a company that makes submarines, which it's just such a cool thing, and he went no no no no no, we don't do that. We're going to make a ship that's looking forward to the next 400 years. We're going to look at the future of marine technology, its autonomy, and you know really try and do some good in the world, some you know ocean science and things like that as well. So it's kind of broken into these two parts. You've got the AI captain, which has been done by a company called Marine AI in IBM Automation, and that's sort of making a ship that can you know completely with a human on the loop, but not in the loop, get from one side of the ocean to the other, and then the other part of that is the science payload. So we've got to have a reason for crossing oceans, and in this case it's to do really important ocean research. So we've got loads of experiments and sensors packed on board, and being able to do all of that science with that and humans in the loop is a really important thing too. So you can see here is the, this is the Mayflower, this was when it was off on its first voyage. It's a 15 meter long trim around about six meters wide. It can travel about up to six or seven knots at full speed, and it's, I think it looks great. The designer is a bit of a fan of Star Trek, so if you get the spaceship feel that's where that's from. It's aluminium, so really lightweight, and it's got a really cool hybrid electric drive system, so it can use its solar panels and its batteries during the day, but then it's got a biodiesel generator that it uses when it's in rough waters and at night time and things like that. And for navigation it's got AIS, radar, GNSS, and it's got six cameras mounted on its mast to give it a really good view of the world around it so that it can pick out obstacles in its way, identify them and then move around them. This is all done with the air captain, which I'll get into in a little bit, but I'll just give you an idea of what we've actually done so far. So this isn't actually our first time across Atlantic. It's out there now in the sea. You can see on the map it's sort of on its way up to Halifax. This is sort of version 2.5 of the journey. Originally we were going to be going from Plymouth in the UK to Plymouth in the US. Slightly changed to Washington because we had some events that we wanted to get it down there for, and then unfortunately we had a few technical glitches along the way where we had to take a little diversion to the Azores. I think the team just wanted a holiday for a couple of days, but we'll never know. So they had to go down and change something in the charging circuit and then it's on its way up and then we've diverted to Halifax because just for a number of reasons it's been quite a long way. We want to get it to land quite soon. There's an experiment that we'll really appreciate being in that particular part of the ocean, which I'll get to later. And there's some really rough seas coming up and we've got rough winds here, but it's getting pretty rough out in the Atlantic for the Mayflower as well. So that's where I was this morning when I had these slides prepared and then I get this WhatsApp from a colleague. Why does something have to keep happening? It turns out there was a ship on its way to meet it. This is the Endeavour, which is an American research vessel. It was going out to meet it and then suddenly we're just watching on the webcams and suddenly they come right up to it, they hook on and they start escorting it. As it turns out, this was completely intentional. Basically it's gotten so far into the journey where the sea state is just too rough for it and they were there anyway so they thought, well, why not? Let's just escort it all the way back to port. So that's where it is at the moment. If you've been following, for everyone else who's not been following, head to mas400.com and you'll get all of the details there. So I speak about this AI captain. I'll go over that really briefly. Having a way of autonomously navigating the oceans is really important. At the moment you've got to have a really highly trained crew who can do that and if you watched the talk last night about the oil rig, you'll know that having a really good sort of autonomous system is really important, especially when it's turned on or off. For this, we really wanted to prove out all of the different steps technology to make something that was really, really safe and reliable. So the AI captain is built up of a number of different steps. So we've got our sort of data fusion layer which takes the camera footage. So we're using a machine learning model that's been trained on millions of images of pretty much anything you could find at sea and stuff you wouldn't expect as well. So pictures of tankers, oil rigs, not that we should find any out there. Flotsam and Jetsam. It's quite a lot of rubbish out in the ocean and we don't want to bump into that as well as paddle borders because around Plymouth where we've been training it, people just like to sort of float out into the Plymouth Sound and get in the way of us. So we've got all of that image data which we can analyse. We've got AIS so we know what ships are reporting to be around us which is really important. And then we've got radar as well and we need radar and camera footage as well because not every ship follows the rules and broadcasts their location, especially fishermen. They like to hide where they are when they're getting their fish so we've got to rely on radar and cameras as well to know exactly what's out there. So once we've fused all of that data together we also take a feed from the weather company so we know what the sea state's likely to be like in the future. And we then put that into sort of the main part of the air captain which is basically a really, really sophisticated rules engine. It's a piece of IBM technology called ODM and it usually is being used to decide whether someone can afford a mortgage or something and they flipped it on there on its head and they taught it what's called the Colregs which is basically the rules of the road for the sea. So when you learn to drive a car you know exactly how you should be driving. There's the same set of rules for if you are at sea saying you know how do you pass other vessels at sea? What happens if you're heading towards each other? You know do you go to starboard or to port? Whose responsibility is that? It depends on the type of vessel as well. So we taught it all of those rules really about how to behave when it sees other vessels. It's then got a second system which has been trained on something called SOLAS which is Safety of Life at Sea and that's another set of rules which sort of it's kind of like what a really wise captain would do and it allows you to sort of have a bit more autonomy around the gray areas of you know what happens when you're expecting to do something and the other vessel should go to starboard but doesn't. How do you respond to that? How do you do it in a safe way? It's a safety of life at sea. That's the main priority. We're an autonomous vessel so our priority is to basically stay away from any other ships as much as we can. Once it's been through that whole system it's been optimised. We've worked out exactly where we are and where we're going. The outcome of that is a heading and a speed and that's basically how the ship operates. It's just continually going like that. So that's the AI captain but what are we going to do with the ship? So I mentioned we're doing lots of science. If you look at the cutaway of this ship there's actually a really small bit in the middle you can just about see. It's about three metre long by one metre by one metre void and that's our science payload bay. Now if you were to look at a real big research vessel like the RSS David Attenborough or the James Cook they're massive. They're hugely expensive you know in the hundreds of millions they're crewed by a hugely capable crew. You've got all those scientists on board as well doing huge amounts of work and that's really important at sea but when you've got smaller experiments that have to go out into sort of difficult spots of sea sorry or spend maybe really really long times out there you don't want to force a crew or a load of scientists to go out at sea for a long period of time. Sea is really dangerous unless you really need to be out in the Atlantic you really don't want to go there and so reducing the risk to human life and also improving the comfort to those humans is a really really important you know sort of benefit as well as it comes down to cost you know these big research vessels that we have are massive they cost a huge amount of money to run and you really want to prioritise them for the science they they're best suited for rather than sending them out to sort of very remote areas and wasting large amounts of money fueling them up and sending them out for a long period of time. So if you've got a small ship that's autonomous and you can automate the science on board that's perfect you just send out to where it needs to go it goes along captures the data comes back you can have a small fleet of these they could go out to all kinds of places they could all link together and track data that way so that's kind of where we're going with this that's the whole ethos of why we're trying to condense all the science down and automate it. So I'll give you a quick summary now of all of the different experiments that we've got on board and these are being done usually with IBM and then a number of partner universities around the UK on board so for instance here we go we've got a whale population experiment so tracking whales is notoriously quite difficult they're never where you expect them to be and you know tracking them down can be quite difficult so we wanted in a way sort of almost passively monitoring them you know if you could put a system on a ship and that ship just happened to be passing you know in a particular area and you were able to hear those whales you'd be able to say I've heard some right whales and they're over here but how do you know what kind of you know whale they are actually or what kind of marine mammal are they or even what kind of marine creature making noise are they so this is where a lot of the work we've been doing is it's taking a hydrophone mounted on the underside of the ship and we've trained it with hundreds and hundreds of hours of already recorded whale song and dolphin noises and all kinds of other things and we're building up a massive machine learning model that can autonomously basically go ah yep that's the right whale I heard that and we can clip out that audio and send it off to the research team in Plymouth and a number of other places like the Jupiter Foundation so this has been a really interesting one because putting a hydrophone on the underside of a ship doesn't work particularly well especially when the ship is blasting along at seven knots because you tend to hear basically the sound of you getting dragged underwater so we've been doing a huge amount of work on filtering out that ambient noise of the the water being dragged along the underside of the ship and we think we're making pretty good progress there we're hoping we should have about a terabyte's worth of data by the end of our current voyage from the UK to to the Americas of the moment which should be available in the next couple of weeks hopefully and actually this is from our voyage last year so hopefully you can just see some dolphins just sort of on the port side of the ship just coming through the water there I don't know how clear that is for you but this was this was really a nice thing to see because they sort of attracted to ships generally and so we were just out there or it was on that out there on its own and they're just sort of they came come up aside and follow us along for a while and we saw this happened again on our voyage this time round too which is really nice so hopefully we'll get some some good footage of those as well and then also the audio of them if we can get the audio of them making their vocalisations underwater as well as seeing them above water I think that'll be be quite special so another experiment this is ocean chemistry and this is a really cool one because it's a a really nice reuse of technology so IBM Research in Zero came up with this thing called HyperTaste it's a digital tongue so you can train it to detect the chemical sort of fingerprint of liquids so typically being used to identify you know is this a real Scotch whiskey or you know is maybe a faked perfume or something and with the Helper Plymouth University they flipped it on its head a little bit and now have built this really awesome pumping mechanism that's on the Mayflower Township itself and that is basically tasting the seawater every 15 minutes and it's looking for the concentrations of dissolved carbonates in the seawater now they help us understand the rate of ocean acidification in different parts of the ocean so we're hoping that as we've passed along and we've actually done sort of a nice sort of up and down and then back up motion across the Atlantic we might get some interesting differences in the data to track how and where and what rate the ocean is sort of getting acidified which is all related to to climate change this was really difficult one because typically you can see the the actual sensor itself is you know in that picture there it's sitting on a nice glass of water so building this into a system where you can automatically you know suck water out of the ocean put all of the different testing fluids through and the cleaning fluids through require quite a lot of work it was basically one student's phd to sit there and build this entire pumping mechanism and build all of the complex steps so that if it got itself into a confusing state it could sort itself back out and just carry on on its own all of that data is then passed to another machine learning model which will hopefully give us all the data we've got our open ocean wave energy experiment so this is really cool so this is looking at if you have video footage of waves coming at you so in this case we're you know waves coming at the ship and you've got a really good inertial measurement unit in the ship it's like an accelerometer on your phone so it knows how the ship's behaving in the water can you match up the wave crashing into the bow of the ship with then the ship lifting up and going over it because if you can do that you know the weight size and dynamics of the ship itself you know how much energy was in that wave that just crashed into you which is really important to say looking at you know predicting the amount of damage that coastal infrastructure might take if you're looking at you know how fast is this cliff going to degrade or maybe this oil rig how much damage that's going to take or even maybe if you're looking to put a tidal energy harvesting system somewhere you know working out where's the best spot along a coastline to do that so this is all data collection at the moment we're just collecting that data and then team in Liverpool are going to be looking through this data and hopefully starting to build that machine learning model for future voyages and then we've got our open ocean tide and sea level and this is something that I never considered until I heard it so obviously it's really easy to measure the tides around the UK or any coastline you have a big stick you put it in the water and you see the water go up and down you can measure how high the tide is and we've got really good models on the coast to know exactly you know at x o'clock it's going to be three meter high tide in the open ocean it's a little bit different the the moon the gravity from the moon will suck the water up on the ocean so it is much higher in places and much lower in other places but there isn't a very easy way to measure that and a lot of the gnss navigation systems because you're rocking around on the ocean quite a lot don't give you a very accurate reading of meters above theoretical sea level with the the model that the earth is that we have so this is using uh actually it's some off the shelf gnss receivers that you can get if you want to do a real-time kinematics these things are great plugged into our ars reply and they're sitting there and they're measuring the really accurate readings between each other and then they will be compared so they're actually mounted on the uh sort of near the uh front of the the mayflower and then sort of off to the side as well so we've got a nice triangle pattern and they'll be used to track how the ship is in the water and then also the height of it as well um and this is just you know really useful data to be collecting about our earth you know i'm sure most of us have all heard the phrase of you know we know more about space around the earth than we do the oceans and this is you know it's one of those things we're trying to understand so those are just some of the experiments we've got on the on the ship at the moment we've also got a host of other sort of what we call wet sensors so things like a a CTD fluorometer uh oxygen sensors temperature sensors and they're all mounted on the underside of the ship measuring the water uh we've got a depth sensor as well um we didn't quite read the documentation on that so that worked that's been working absolutely perfectly but we panicked because the data feed we get was going great great great we're getting all these numbers we're going oh brilliant we know how low the surface of the uh the sea floor is underneath the mayflower and then it just went to zero and we went hmm that's a bit odd and after a while we realised it's because the mayflower had gone over the continental shelf and uh we'd reached our maximum rating on the depth sensor the depth sensor was working absolutely fine uh but we just we just didn't realise that zero meant in or too far not too low uh so yeah that's a bit of fun um so how are we doing all of this uh some of these you know as you can see it's a raspberry pi in a box um or it's a hydrophone uh but a lot of it's using you know we're trying to use machine learning for some of these experiments we're trying to store all of the data we're trying to monitor it we're trying to optimise when it runs as well so we had to look around building uh what we call sort of our science at the edge box or our science pod um which we started basically in June 2020 uh in the middle of a pandemic so uh we didn't have much to go on we had to sort of scrounge around what we could uh ordering stuff offline off the internet trying to get things together um and we basically ended up with this which is a suitcase full of raspberry pies um which i'm actually quite proud of even though it does look very messy on the inside so we've got four raspberry pi four bs uh we've got a little small mini ups uh a little switch uh about 12 terabytes worth of ssd storage uh and then we've got our our hydrophone receiver and an rimu in there and stuff and that's basically all mounted inside a peli case uh and it sits inside the main flower actually you know it's really tiny takes up about that much space which we had to make sure of because some of the other experiments like hypothesis are much much bigger um the the brief we were given was basically it's going to get knocked around we're probably going to stand on it it might get wet so try and make something that's going to survive all that and that's kind of where we ended up with with the sort of you know bunch of wires and stuff in a peli case um you can see i don't know whether that's too too clear on there but um you can see a sort of rough system diagram of how we how we built everything uh the the rough idea of this was that uh we were told you know if there was something would go wrong which you know in cases it did they would cut power to us the ship had to make sure that all times the ai captain uh was the thing in charge and if they were going oh we've got to you know start shutting systems off we were probably one of the first to go and that's fair enough you've got to you've got to maintain the safety of the ship so we had to make sure that when we got that hey you're being turned off signal we could safely shut down all of the experiments close all of the files make sure all that was saved away nicely and then sit there and safely shut the whole system down but sometimes we just wouldn't get that at all so that's why we have this timely for UPS there it's not to keep us running for hours and hours it gives us about 20 minutes to shut the whole pod down and put ourselves into a nice safe state we learned a lot about raspberry pies during this including how to build watchdogs to watch the raspberry pies which are watching each other to make sure that if you get yourself into a bit of a weird power state it all still carries on and you know you can you can start the whole thing up again but the great thing about this was that you know we get these data feeds we've got most of the compute work is happening in that box we're doing all of the machine learning running all of our models saving all of the data and we get a very very small bit of satellite bandwidth to send back the status of how all of this stuff is going so what you're looking at here is just a an update on you know the status of the experiments it's the temperature on inside the pod it's a little bit warm it's fine the CPUs how they're going and you can see there in the top left some of our experiments go from on to off quite a lot and it was something we realised halfway through we're recording loads of camera footage and then we realised well when it's dark you can't see very much at all you can see a perfect picture of the ship because it shows up lovely in the infrared but you can't see any of the waves you can't see anything about it so you know looking at turning off some experiments when you don't need them really important save data looking at where you are as well we're travelling across the Atlantic which means we're slowly passing through all those time zones so we're using the location of the ship to work out you know where are we when does the sun rise when does it set let's use that as a basis for all of this this kind of stuff um it's all built pretty much on open source um there's some you know the experiments themselves will be running on code written by the universities and IBM but everything supporting this box is basically node red got python grafana influx db running on raspberry pies um and we've you know a lot of the stuff we've done we're sort of looking at open sourcing and giving back you know in some of the node red nodes that we've had to build for this um and you know it's one of those great things where you can whilst you're sitting on a very cold dock in Plymouth on a February day and they go hey we're going to change where this sensor is you can just drag a node across the screen and boom it's gone you've not tried node red it's fantastic give it a go um so I'll sort of finish off I've got about eight minutes left to talk about data feed so as I mentioned we've got all of these open data feeds the ship is um out there in the Atlantic it's got statcom we're feeding that back to an mqtt server which is open for anybody to access it's at mqtt.mas400.com and on that you can get all kinds of stuff you can see the status of the ship itself so where it is how fast it's going what direction it's heading in how some of the solar panels are performing the batteries and all that kind of stuff you can look at the science experiments see what's running when it's running how it's running uh see the health of health of all the sort of the experiments and the the pod itself as well um and it's as I said it's open for anybody to access to so there's a documentation page that you can go to uh where we've listed exactly how all of this stuff works um and we've you know quite a few people have started building stuff over the past couple of months so we've got some you know really great models so if you look on the top it's a small mayflower on a uh turntable that will always point in the direction that the actual ship's going and it lights up in in that respect we've got a Twitter bot which is reporting uh where where it is and it's progressed from the UK to the US people have built maps for us and all kinds of things um and you can you know it you could probably get from nothing to something in about 20 minutes we should have probably done a workshop on this but we didn't didn't quite have time um so overall I'd say this has been about two years worth of work where are we going to go next the ship's going to get to the US in the next couple of days probably uh it's going to get to Canada because Halifax um whilst we're going through we're going to be listening to all of the whales uh hopefully because lots of right whales up there and then we'll be getting to Halifax and we'll be offloading all of the uh the rich data feeds as well so we've got all those lights of light data feeds uh the rich data feeds will be coming soon after so that'll be all of the video all of the sensor data from the um uh wet sensors on the underside of the ship that will all be open we're going to make sure that everybody can get access to that so if you want to look at you know plotting the temperature of the seawater across the Atlantic Ocean you can do that if you want to look at the oxygen concentration you can do that and then once all of the uh research teams have found their results and things like that they will all be put open as well um you can also uh go to mas 400.com which I think I mentioned and watch all of the live webcam so you can just literally see what's happening with the ship see how it's getting on uh and what it's doing and uh currently there's a sort of another ship hanging in front of it ominously as they slowly get towards Halifax so looking a bit further into the future it's going to spend some time uh probably going up and down the US coast uh we'll still be capturing data as we're there um and we'll be popping into quite a few ports along the way to let people go and see it so if you happen to be on the east coast of the US in the next 12 months um you might even be able to you know go and see the ship itself which will be quite cool and then looking even for a further future um we're looking at you know there's going to be different versions of these boats potentially in the ocean doing different things so maybe there will be a specific boat that will be doing a particular job maybe doing replacing a role that we you know we currently have ships that will go out to certain uh science boys every single week or month to corroborate the data that those science boys are collecting we can automate that and do in a ship um what I'd love to see is having a fleet of ships uh I think having a whole fleet of these uh ships going out and coordinating amongst each other um to capture data especially if you're trying to do triangulation say if you're trying to look for whales and things like that you've got one audio source that's not quite enough you know maybe you can do it with uh with more um so that's that's probably sort of uh the where the the the the near future of this is going to be um but generally we're trying to be as open as possible about it I think the the last word that I got which was literally on whatsapp about half an hour ago uh was uh because of the weather out there it's it's on its route to Halifax and yeah they've it's been fantastic to give you an idea of how this has been running uh we have a team who are working down in Plymouth who have been watching all of the same data feeds that you or I do so uh if you go you know look at the webcams you can see all of that stuff and they're sitting there watching it maybe with a bit more data and they can see the ship on its way up there but they've had someone sat there for 24 hours a day for the last month or so uh since about 27th of April just keeping an eye on it and making sure that everything's okay um which has been you know quite a tough job for them and they've they've been doing you know even over weekends and bank holidays and stuff like that um so I think they're all looking forward to having it a good rest which is definitely well deserved um so I think I'm actually a little bit early but I think is that okay that's fine um thank you everyone for coming I've this is a lot of people so uh I'm really happy that everyone was was interested in hearing about this I'm around for the rest of the weekend so if you want to ask questions you want to do something uh come and ask me um if you want to know exactly where the where the ship is in its progress and you've got a decked phone you can find out by calling 555 4014 um uh so you know why not um but yeah otherwise thank you very much