From San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering Day2IQ. Brought to you by Day2IQ. Hey, welcome back, everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're in downtown San Francisco at the Day2IQ headquarters. They used to be called Mesosphere. They rebranded the company. They've got a much bigger focus than just Mesos and supporting Mesos. So we're here to get the story really. Talk about, you know, enterprise's journey to cloud native and we're excited to have our first because he's Brian Kenyon, the chief strategy officer. Brian, great to see you. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So Day2IQ, I'm going to get it eventually by the end of the day. Interesting name. What does Day2IQ mean? Why did you guys rebrand the company? Yeah, absolutely. So we were formerly known as Mesosphere and the technology that we founded the company on was an open source package called Mesos. So the name naturally had a very close tie with Mesos and Mesosphere. So as we looked to rebrand the company and really enter the market with some of the changes we've seen in the evolution of cloud native, we focused on where customers were having trouble. Where they were focused on operations, how they were going to take these concepts and these great ideas that were pervasive in the concept of cloud native and make them institutionalized and operationalized inside their companies. And what we found was, you know, day zeros when you played around and tested things and day one is when you got it installed and stood up. But day two is when you really focused on the operations. How do I make this enterprise ready? How do I make this fit my business? All of that happened on day two and after. And so we saw that as a pretty natural way to focus our energy and focus our market penetration on day two. And you also expanded beyond just kind of the Mesos ecosystem into some other areas. And containers and Kubernetes, also data. So you guys are taking a little broader approach than maybe the company had at the original launch. Yeah, absolutely. And you've heard from one of our founders already and you spoke to our head of engineering. So I'm the newest of those, right? I joined in February, so I'm just, you know, almost 10 months in. So when I joined, I spent a lot of time meeting with our customers, talking to partners, talking to other folks and vendors in the space. And what we saw was there was a massive shift happening from where cloud native started maybe three, four, five years ago to where it is today. And one of the biggest changes has been around the emergence of Kubernetes, which has turned into a de facto standard for containers and cloud native. And so as we've evolved and moved into this day two IQ name, as we've started focusing on meeting our customer, we've obviously taken on a bigger stance inside the Kubernetes community and Kubernetes product line. Right. So what did you see?  You've been strategy and security for years and years and years. What did you see in this opportunity with this small startup to get you to leave, you know, kind of a safe, comfortable, pretty standard corporate job and to jump in back into this. Nobody's ever said security's safe, so that's awesome. Well, safe certainly in terms of job security.  It is. So what did you see? I saw the future is really what I saw. When you really took a step back and you looked at where compute was going and how organizations were starting to adopt new application methodologies, new application architectures, it was very clear that cloud had taken on a big portion of that. And the concept of cloud native and open source technologies was becoming more and more prominent. Right. So when we looked at this, not only do we see a unique opportunity with the cloud native space, but if you fast forward a couple years, customers are going to be coming back around and starting to have conversations around security. How do I secure this? How do my SISOs and my operational folks in security understand this and how do they really, you know, start to apply the same controls and visibility to it? So it was a unique opportunity to get in and focus on where the future of our industry is going. Right. So it's an interesting thing with open source and open source specifically in the enterprise. I think my favorite open source quote is, yeah, it's free like a puppy. You know, it's not free and you need support and you need training and you need a lot of help. So, you know, when you guys work with enterprises and they're, you know, incorporating more and more open source into their technology stack, what are some of the challenges that you guys are coming in to help them to actually get beyond, you know, a simple free download and the latest cool version to actually running in production. Heavy duty loads, really important workloads. Yeah, one of the biggest shortfalls we see is obviously expertise, right? So there's a massive amount of innovation and capability that can be, it can really be captured through open source software. The challenge is it's all community-based. So folks contribute code, they sign it in, it's available for everybody to use, but how long is that code updated for? How long is it maintained? How do new features get added? And what you see is you see a huge spike in interest and enthusiasm. And then just like every other hype cycle, you get to a trough of disillusionment where people move on to the next thing and the next thing in the open source community. And so organizations who wanna leverage that innovation, wanna focus their operations around open source, either for cost savings or time to market, find themselves a couple of years later looking at code that's been abandoned, projects that aren't maintained anymore. We saw this in security with things like open SSL, right? One of the largest SSL libraries used across entire security landscape, there were two people in the world maintaining that code. And so when a massive security vulnerability hit, organizations were scrambling. We wanna stop that now for organizations that wanna use open source. We, day two IQ, wanna bring our innovation, our expertise to bring that open source to the customers and make sure that it's enterprise ready, it's enterprise supported, and it's enterprise scalable. Right. So you guys have basically three market offerings, if I understand right. You've got a solution set where you're taking the core software and building solutions around it. You've got services, professional services to get it in, get it up, and probably support it.  In that case. Exactly. And then training, is that right? So those are how you're basically enterprise hardening an open source kernel to get to a great solution for the customer. Yeah, but I'd also add in their services. So whether it's advisory services, implementation services, or just kind of more traditional, our focus is really about meeting the customer where they need us. And if you look at cloud and cloud native today, almost every customer across the globe is at a different evolution or a different maturity in that journey. And so somewhere at the very beginning where they're learning, others are more towards the end where they're focused on operations and how do I streamline this? How do I hire the right folks? So we've taken a product services support and training strategy that allows us to meet our customers where they are in their cloud native journey and assures us that we can provide the right level of expertise regardless of where they are. Right. What's been the biggest hole of all the challenges that you see when people are getting started? What's some of the biggest challenges that you just see over and over and over again that you know you're going to get walking in the door? Over and over, you see training as just a constant across the entire industry. No matter where a customer is in their evolution or their journey, they're constantly having to train whether they're hiring and then training folks on the new way of developing or they're taking developers who have been building code and building applications and virtual machines or old monoliths for years that they want to train to this new paradigm. Training is a huge constant. The other piece is people are looking to rationalize their infrastructure. And so services, we are in a very services led industry right now where we can come in and help customers get stock of where are we today and where do we want to go long term and then put them on a plan, put them on a program or a path where they can achieve those outcomes but do it in a way that's not disruptive or adds friction to business. Because the complexity just continues to increase.  So kind of this, you know, kind of real aggressive embracing of hybrid and this real embracing of complex setups where you can partition your workload based on where you think that workload should run today is really gaining hold. So the complexity is only going up, not going down. It is, you're absolutely right. And I'll tell you what you just brought up is a great example of why the complexity is growing up. On-prem is a massively different, materially different environment than the clouds. The clouds are built on margin, right? They're built on if I take the same server and do this over and over again, I get repeatability, I get consistency, I get a very finite platform. If you look at how on-prem is, the traditional data center, you buy some servers from Dell, some servers from HP, storage from EMC, storage from HP, you got all different types of hardware and software in there. So fixing that on-prem cloud is hard and the clouds are struggling with this because the concept of taking their very clean vanilla infrastructure and bringing that to the traditional on-premise is failing. That's where we shine. That's where we've built. That's where Mesosphere got their initial start was taking the cloud concept and bring it to the traditional data center. So we're helping clouds extend now by being that on-prem piece that speaks seamlessly with the clouds that our customers choose to use. So I think too, initially, the cloud was seen as a way to save money and we've seen that evolve over time. It's really much more about speed and agility in your development cycles and getting new products to market. The customers grunk that? Are they still kind of wrestling with the cost savings and this is kind of an alternative way to buy, compute and networking and capacity or are they really moving fast because of the speed and the competitive threats? So I think it's interesting and it varies but I will tell you just from my lens, I'll say that a lot of customers are confused. They went to the cloud initially because they believed they wanted to be out of the data center game. It was easier for Amazon or Microsoft or Google to manage the data center than it was for their own IT teams. And so they shifted infrastructure up there and then what they saw was the promises of hyper scaling, the promises of this elasticity or your application grows as more users show up. They never realized that because those applications were built under a different premise, under a different architecture and don't leverage the cloud native capabilities. So you're seeing a shift of people who moved infrastructure or applications to the cloud to get out of the data center or now saying, okay, I'm kind of locked in but where do I get my operational efficiency? Where do I get my hyper scaling? How do I get that? And now you're starting to see that shift from just using the clouds as infrastructure to more moving towards microservices, containers and some of the things that Day 2 IQ helps with. Right, right. It's pretty funny too, right? Because the apps used to have to be built for the infrastructure in which you were going to deploy them. That's now flipped upside down, right? Now the app, the infrastructure needs to support the app comes first, the infrastructure, second. So having an architecture, you got to have the new architecture. As you said, you just can't simply flip the functionality of an old architecture into a new paradigm. And then expect you're going to get the same outcomes. Right, right. All right, so before I let you go, I want to get your perspective specifically on security because again, you were in the security space for a long time, security's a hot space. Everyone says security has to be baked in everywhere. It can't be the castle and moat anymore. So with your security hat on it, as you kind of see these migrations and you see these new deployments and you see this move to cloud native, what do you think about from security? Are people baking it in enough? Are they thinking about it in the right way? Is it just such a fundamental shift that they need to think about security and really baking it in from the bottom to the top? They absolutely do. And I'll tell you what the scariest thing is, is if I go through my CISO networks and talk to folks who are on that side of the fence, they're not even educated to this cloud native space yet. They don't really understand how it's happening and how it's evolving and what that means. So there's a huge education that needs to happen in security. But these things need to be bolted on from the beginning. I'll give you an example. Some of the value that comes from operating cloud native is that your ability to push code and push changes is very agile and quick. So it's encouraged in a cloud native type of architecture that a company can make 100, 200, 300 code changes a day. When I grew up, you'd make those monthly, quarterly, because you had a whole bunch of testing. Well, now they push code multiple times a day. If you don't have your security team in lockstep with those developers and operation staff, how quickly can you get out of compliance? How quickly can you erode your security posture? These are all questions that have to be answered and we're just at the very earliest stages of getting there. We didn't even talk about IoT and edge devices. Absolutely. Which opens up a whole different kind of threat surface. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, Brian, well, thanks for taking a few minutes. Good luck on the journey and I hope things go super for you here. Thanks for having me. All right. He's Brian. I'm Jeff. You're watching theCUBE. We're at day two headquarters, day two IQ headquarters in downtown San Francisco. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.


Good afternoon. Let me get all the correct makes here. Good afternoon. Good to see you both. Good to talk You're on a short Irish tour where you were to come from Litrum. Is it come from Kerrygallon? Okay, we're in Kerrygallon last night. It's one of those places where you just don't expect it And you think it's just the village hall there, but in it is the most beautiful little theater 150 seater plush seats great sound great light. I mean full professional theater And I love that about Ireland is you know in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, you get something great. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely and Whatever about the venue if the venue isn't great, then you just create something great there. Oh sure Right, tell tell me a little bit about yourself thank you described as that the Godfather of alternative country music in the UK and It sort of picking at the Troubled soul of country music for years That's as rich pickings there. They're sure are. Yeah, anybody who knows country music knows that Well, Harlan Howard one of the great country songwriters said that it's three chords and the truth But the truth is the important bit about country music is it tells the truth? And and if you think of any activity in human life, there's a country song about it Doesn't matter what it absolutely doesn't matter what there'll always be a song and I love that about country And the dark side. Yes country music is a lot darker than people give it credit for you know They think rock and roll is the big rebel music music or it was But country sticks the knife in deeper True country rather than sort of some of the stuff that we get the Absolutely John true country real country. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a Say traditional I was brought up on George Jones. I mean I was Brought into country by a man called Grand Parsons and he loved George And it took me ten years to get past George Jones. Nobody, you know, I I never got to earn It's time never got to Willie Nelson never got to All the great singers because George ruled He's the absolute king Okay, I'm just Break off a little bit and chat to Noel Noel How have you how did you get in touch with hanker? Where did your music association first begin? Well, it was very organic I was playing a show in Norwich in East Anglia Where Hank can be found now and again And he he was invited down to play a couple of songs and he spotted I had a Dobro and invited me up to play and Here we are Yeah, very organic. Well, that's much organic more organic than that I'm sorry, I'm just I'm just being distracted there and anyhow Tell me hank about The messages because there's a donny goal. This is the there's a big donny call connection Yes, and that's one of the reasons we're playing in glinty's tomorrow night is because Senon Sen and Brennan is a great guitar player and bazooki player plays with Keela He's from maize from further south. He's from Bondoran And then the great Denise Boyle who's a wonderful fiddle player And again, I'm lucky enough wants to play with me and you gather up the finest I do man. I don't I don't know how I really it's a mystery to me Yeah, well no more than all here the finest seem to be attracted to you hank Yeah, well Denise when I first heard her not only can she play traditional, but she can play country too She can do those lovely double-stop things, you know And I immediately warned her and luckily she warned to me too. So we did a week to her last year And then this year because of this new album that Noel and I have done because it is only a duo album It's just the two of us And there's loads of blandishments of people saying oh, I'll come and pay a bit of drums We know no, it's a duo. I will put some bass on for you. No Noel plays bass. It's a duo So This time we're doing the tour just to introduce it. It's not yet released But we want to start the process because it's been a long time since I really played Ireland seriously So I'm definitely yesterday's news So how do I stir them up and get these records in the shops? Live live dates no better dates. That's just yeah, I mean that hasn't changed a lot of things have changed But you just cannot be connect and connect in plain life. No, that's how you shift CDs and CDs anyhow, that's for sure and we have to say to that. This is Noel Dashwood's first time in Ireland ever. Oh, what a place. It's always this sunny. Is it? Oh, yeah, absolutely Yeah, how did you miss out until now? Not a clue. I don't know. But I'm very glad I'm very grateful I can't believe I've never been here, especially as a musician. It feels different. I don't know what it is But something feels different. I feel like I'm not the first and also having red hair and being called Noel I feel like I fit in way more here But you'll be back. Oh, I think so if anyone's listening you need a Dobro player. I'm available That's good. And you're you're well through the tour is the Highlands is the Highlands date the the last in the tour It's the last day in that tour in that tour and listen, I must say also as well We mentioned Denise and we mentioned Senon, but we didn't mention Fiona Maria Fitzpatrick Okay, who's a lovely singer and she's from Cavern and she's organized the tour largely and So we need the folks out there in Highland radio land to know about Fiona Maria Okay, as they know about Senon and they know about Denise because the message is a really good band Well, yeah, I mean the album the two of you, but this is a this is a full full band experience Yeah, and no we're saying last night, you know some of these things now where we're getting little vocals coming in from the messages Oh, we're getting some lovely arrangements are just beginning to grow Organically it's transatlantic, isn't it because they open the show with three numbers and do a couple of nice fiddle tunes and Fiona plays a great bar on and doesn't she I think it's a good show. I kind of want to be at the show Yeah, so now when you've reached the peak now, and it's really coming together the tour is over But there's one more date. There's one more date and that is tomorrow night in Glentys in the Highlands Hotel And then and then there's the album you're gonna be promoting the album after that I presume the album's coming out when it's coming up first of December So we're planning we would love to come back in the early spring and do another promotional date And maybe we take in as well as the places we played already Yes, because this time he started in Clifton in the Arts Festival. Yes, we played in in Galway Monro We played in Port Leish in Straboli and Then last night in Carygallon in later.  You've been on Hell Radio. You mentioned the album So so so really you can you know you use your time then and in other in other parts of the territory next time round and No, I'll be leading the way because you will actually I love to know to McGrory's in Kaldaf Which is a great venue. Maybe when you're back in the spring. Yes I look forward to coming back up on in the show. Okay. Well, yeah, so you're you're obviously well familiar with Ireland and Donegal I'm half Scottish John, you know, so I'm halfway there Tell us about the the track that we're about to play way of the world Well, the world is just a cynical little song about how watch out You think it's okay, and it's nice and sunny, but it's just about to rain on you Listen for those want to go along the stuff, you know, they can pay it I presume you can pay at the door. There's still some places other things. Yeah tomorrow night done in Glent East at the Highlands Hotel and Thank you both very much for taking a wee bit of time out because I appreciate it You know played last night and playing against morning. So Hank Wangford and Noel Dashwood. Thank you very much So this is taken from the album, which isn't out isn't released isn't released yet, but it will be okay Okay, and it'll be on vinyl too for you folks out there Yeah, that's well, that's brilliant, but it'll also be eventually on Spotify. Oh, it'll be on Spotify Of course like all my other stuff is already on spotting line. Yeah, okay as we play it But this is actually from CD and I cannot remember the last time that I played something off CD But this is a way of the world. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Thank you, John


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Yeah, like Roseanne took place in St. Louis where we're all like Roseanne takes place in St. Louis and it's like yeah, but you never see there was There was the one show with Lonnie Anderson and Linda Carter where they were like they were both married to the same PI who died and they took over his Lonnie Anderson from WKRP and Linda Carter and they played like this one was the old spouse and one was the new spouse and they just took over his own private investigative agency It was a great thing because it would took place in San Francisco that and crazy like a fox There's the only reason to watch those two shows because they took place in San Francisco I am I want to go back because I'm fascinated by this idea Scott of Instead of doing spin-off movies from old shows Do dark prequels to old to old comedies like I want to see a cheers movie that tells the story of Sam Malone's fall from grace. Sure. Why not? They used to do this on TV with him Opening the bar. Yeah, they used to go the other direction. Yeah Lou Grant was a good example of that. Yeah. Yeah was like a serious drama every week and it came out of a laugh track comedy Trapper John md similar sort of ish kind of yeah, so I it's no one's ever really Alice doesn't live here anymore Those are those are examples of them doing the dark movie and then spinning off a light tv show So instead of making the light tv show into a spoof comedy, which is what they tend to do Do do like a dark gritty movie version of it. That'd be that would go. How would that work? How would you how would you do something like hill street blues though? Would that's not it? That's a horrible example. Yeah, you don't do that because it's already doing that Whatever don't pick the dark and gritty shows. Those aren't gonna work. You gotta you gotta pick shows like cheers Yeah, they have to be silly so you can House, how would full house start? Oh, that's a good full house is good Big bang theory the only way I'd watch it actually if you did this idea if it was a horror movie If it was a horror movie became a sitcom, I would totally watch it Yeah, I'm here. Big bang theory is just like an out of control like professor or something Yeah, I like it. Is it like a slasher experience they all had in uh undergrad And they just came together to live together as roommates and became a sitcom Yeah, ready to go Yeah Let's do it Uh, miss lane if you would do the honors, please I would And three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for wednesday july 25th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom merrick and from studio feline I am scooter lane from From studio the plague is gone. Finally. I'm scott johnson And of course, uh with us our producer roger chang Hello, how are all of you? We are good. We have a request for a t-shirt. Uh scooter Oh, which scooter do you know? I mean I mean scooter lane, of course. Okay Uh, what's that tom read fishler on twitter asked for a i'm a friend of scooter lane t-shirt. That's not bad I love it We'll see if we can we can figure that out sell some teas. Let's start however with a few tech things you should know Tuesday we reported that facebook hong kong limited had registered a subsidiary in china However, shortly after the registration was reported the online listing in the government database disappeared A source tells the new york times that approval was indeed withdrawn supposedly the cyberspace administration of china Was not consulted by local officials who initially approved the registration And I get that back. I think oops, uh blockchain company tron I love their name so much has acquired the bit torrent file sharing company tron founder justin sun says tron is now quote The largest decentralized internet ecosystem in the world formerly played by bruce box lightner Uh bit torrent says it has no plan to change its products or services or start mining cryptocurrency yet Yet. No, he didn't say yet. I said yet Uh cert cc sent out a security advisory regarding a bluetooth vulnerability discovered by scientists from the israel Institute of technology leor neumann and elie beham discovered it pairing devices do not sufficiently validate elliptic curve Parameters used to generate public keys during a diffie helman key exchange And if that doesn't make sense, do you don't worry what you need to know Is an attacker in range of two devices with the bug and both devices have to have the bug Could get the encryption key and recover data sent between the two devices During an otherwise secure connection apple broadcom intel and qualcom have all deployed fixes for the vulnerability So make sure you update your os's as they get pushed out the bluetooth special interest group has also updated the specification for bluetooth as well Um, so there's no evidence that this was done in the wild. Um, but it was a pretty significant vulnerability All right, let's talk a little bit more about chat scott. Well chat. Tom as you know is a big deal and Finally valve's getting involved Valve launched steam chat to all of its users on tuesday. It was impossible to miss it popped right up and made itself known It's an upgrade to the platform's built-in chat function with new features similar to what you see in something like discord It includes the ability to create voice and text channel support for embedded videos pictures And tweets of course and the ability to invite someone with a link Uh, I see this as a continued effort by everyone else in the entire video game sphere To create slack slash discord like features In the wake of something is as successful or as uh growth written as discord So not shocked by this blizzard's done it with their uh service and with the battle knight launcher That was a big deal for them a few months ago Makes perfect sense for the biggest pc platform in the world to do it I don't know how much traction this gets it'd be nice if they had some video conferencing features There's a few questions I have about it, but overall Uh, you know, I guess i'm a little surprised. It's this been this long coming. It's about time It's a perceptual thing though Um, I mean there's no reason you couldn't switch to using this instead of discord right now Everybody just needs to download the software and install it and you can use it for any game, right? It's just even more convenient if you're playing a game that's through steam And so many games are part of steam as it is right But a lot of people I don't think are going to switch from discord to this Because they're like well, I I don't want to use my game library for that When chat first showed up in steam. It was a nice add-on like oh, I can I can say hi to somebody while i'm in game Whether valve can get people to shift the behavior of discord Which is i'm using this to talk to my fellow gaming friends whether i'm playing or not I don't know. Yeah, it's also important to note here Uh, discord's made a recent push the other direction So their their new landing page when you launch discord is no longer your list of friends or your private messages And then off to the ride is your big mess of servers I mean the whole thing's still kind of a mess if i'm being honest I don't think discord's got great ui But you know it works and people use it. So there you go They've established themselves as a huge platform and instead what they've done is reached more toward gaming So their gaming page that you now land on let you launch games from within that space now Sometimes those games or games you're playing on steam sometimes are on u play sometimes are in other services But the idea is that your friends have all explicitly said yes, i'm playing world of warcraft or yes I'm playing assassin's creed brotherhood or whatever it is and you can now connect That way so they made a step closer to steam I actually think that that means something I think the the long tail on this is discord makes a play and there are plenty of others doing this So it's going to be a very competitive space, but they make a play Toward becoming a front end for gaming now whether that's a full blown store or not I don't know that's a long way from where they're at right now I don't think it has to be a store to be successful Yeah, it doesn't yeah, it could be though and that's where this is gets interesting because they don't really have a monetization Method right now. They're not making a bunch of money So that could be their way to do it They've got the hearts and minds like this is actually kind of a big deal for them So that to me is a bigger news than steam saying hey, we're expanding our chat platform I my question is Because I started using discord here on dtns because we have a discord channel and then I have another channel for another show and The gaming part of it is i'm not utilizing at all, but it's a great chat platform For voice and text so does steam care about Expanding beyond the gaming community at all or do they feel like they're Just sort of keeping up with these other platforms to keep their gaming community happy and not going somewhere else The second thing I think I mean, I don't think they I don't think they think that they're gonna suddenly Uh become skype or anything to that in that regard But they do want to be able to say hey, we've got those features here There's no reason to go anywhere else what they don't want is people leaving the platform and there's other stuff coming up out of 10 cent in china and others where they're launching new services that are Genuine competitors to steam for the first time in a very long time and line just acquired a game studio And and started and is going to merge it into a subsidiary called line games A lot of these messaging apps like we chat are trying to become a game platform themselves Yeah, and the biggest just to finish this up the biggest Game in the world right now fortnight is part of epic epic has a launcher Suddenly epic is now faced with this question. Do we now we that we have the biggest most looked at everyday platform Do we go beyond what this is and they could like that and they're owned by 10 cent or have a huge portion of them Are so that could change everything so it that is a really fascinating segment of the games market right now And it's going to be really fun to watch Moving on to keys security keys google announced it will start selling its own and tighten security keys Which is actually kind of a nice A follow-up to our conversation yesterday the keys which provide universal second factor Auth similar to ubiki are available either in usb or bluetooth versions to google cloud customers Now and eventually selling to the public later google also introduced context aware access that lets administrators Define information like an ip address or a time of day to help identify the users on their network Yeah, it's almost as if google pr decided to uh push the story about google authenticator being used at google yesterday So they could get two days out of the story when they announced that they were coming with their own Interesting timing isn't it and i was like oh isn't that oh it's google's own Oh good yes, but it is interesting that google's getting into selling these things Especially because at the conference where they announced this ubiki is an exhibitor ubico I mean is an exhibitor showing up their ubikis and now ubico is like Trying to say well, we think ours are still better because x y and z and google is not not working with ubico You can still use a ubico key on your google account But but yeah, it's uh the the big difference is ubico uses nfc, which they feel is more secure than bluetooth They don't think bluetooth is reliable, especially because the key has to have a battery to work if you're using bluetooth All right google also announced the edge tensor processing unit ai chip and cloud iot edge software The asik chip can execute machine learning models under space and power constraints It's it's less than the size of a penny like it's tiny So it can go into these internet of things devices It's basically a stripped-down version of the cloud tpu is used to train machine learning models The cloud tpu's still create the model and then the edge tpu has just enough computation to execute it Without having to wait for the cloud servers, which have to obey the speed of light Here we are again speed of light being a consideration in lag like oh Well, if we can train the model and then have the model execute on these edge units, then that'll be Uh more responsive than if they have to go to the cloud and back again all the time Like amazon and microsoft systems currently do the edge software will handle that interaction with the server So they're basically taking the the tensor platform Uh the tensor framework and and creating an edge mod version of that as well Edge tpu will come in a development kit available in october It's kind of like a raspberry pi module situation And they just want developers to figure this out to to play with it and find uses for it Now to keep in mind microsoft has iot applications and devices They've been partnering with companies like qualcom amazon web services has iot related software services and its own operating system for edge devices Every time microsoft opens their mouth. They say intelligent cloud. It feels like uh, so or intelligent edge I mean, uh, we made a big deal about that is like this is the next buzzword You're gonna hear him say it a lot so This is this is the the new battleground and google with this move wants to own the entire ai stack They're like you'll use our tpu cloud service for your training your machine learning models And then you'll have our edge processors in your devices and everything will come from us and you'll be happy That's what nice Well, let's hope we will be I love this stuff because uh I don't understand it hardly at all like I feel like the the the entire cloud computing movement Is a thing that is just ripping over ahead like an actual cloud and i'm trying to make a shape I look at it go. What shape is it? Is that an elephant today? I don't know maybe but Well, I assume you use adobe creative cloud I understand the cloud benefit i'm getting from all this stuff Absolutely know I could benefit i'm getting however the the the nooks and crannies nuts and bolts very confusing to me I love that they're going to put these out and just let people go nuts with them And I like tom's comparison to like raspberry pi it immediately makes me go Oh creative people are going to come up with cool ideas and new ways to do this and And I love that so as dumb as I am about cloud computing and its actual functionality I'm stoked about I think you're smart about cloud computing. It's the edge that that you're you're like What the edge of a cloud hold on what's that about right? Yeah Also, when I hear internet of things i'm like, what do I have? I don't have a smart fridge. Oh, what do I have? What can I you will but I will right once they start putting these tpu's and sensors Fridge at the speed of light right? I'm ready Uh, the packaging for microsoft's adaptive controller you guys may have seen this at e3 and other uh events or in places that they've shown it Is also accessible just like the controller itself the controller has two large programmable buttons and 19 jacks for accessibility accessories Which is an enormous number of jacks to be honest. Uh, the package includes loops Uh multiple access points hinges levers ribbons Make it easy to unpack Uh, we're looking at animation right now that roger's showing for those who are listening via audio only Even if you're someone who uses teeth to open things seems like you could probably do that the adaptive controller Is $100 and arrives in september and is currently my number one pick for my favorite giant corporate Uh cool product Thing right now. I love that they made this there's going to be a billion uses for it outside of even just the accessibility market but then thinking in these ways And quite literally thinking outside of the xbox Is great and I love it and I applaud them for it Well and and and you may you may laugh about opening a package with your teeth If you're not aware that that is a standard procedure for people in certain situations and it's it's it's not it's not a joke It's like, oh, yeah, no, I'm able to open things with my teeth if they're not a blister pack Uh, and and this is decidedly not uh, you can open this In multiple ways and that's what accessibility is about is not just The controller itself but making the entire experience of purchasing it on an accessible website To opening it to using it Uh accessible and I that's what I love most about this is microsoft showing that They're they really are trying to think about accessibility all the way through the product Friends that I have at e3 who got hands on with this thing the other nice thing to hear is that it's It's actually nice like it's a well-made product. This isn't just some weird Half baked olive leaf to say look at us We're super inclusive. Look at our cool ideas to help those who can't help themselves or whatever and And just kind of create a pr stunt. It's not that at all. It's a really nice piece of hardware I feel like it's just the beginning of what could be some cool stuff coming out of microsoft I hope it encourages other companies to do the same like this just rad top to bottom and it makes me I don't know just really For me personally brings out a huge amount of respect for a company that's often perceived as a little cold and And uh, you know dismissive and and I think that's a really good move for them Yeah, it's clever marketing, but it's also something that you don't see very often Um, uh, you know a real nod to people who have accessibility Needs and limitations. It's really cool. Yeah All right mozilla program manager chris peterson highlighted an issue with youtube's recent redesign that caused it to run slow in browsers Except for chrome The redesign relies on a depreciated api that is only our deprecated Somebody actually corrected me the last time I got that wrong deprecated api that's only implemented in chrome specifically The solution is to force youtube to run its classic mode firefox users can download the youtube classic extension safari and edge users need to use something called tamper monkey and a user script Yeah, you they don't make it easy to force classic mode So you have to do these workarounds, but classic mode doesn't use this api and even this api even this deprecated api Uh will run fine in newer versions of the script package that chrome runs But chrome doesn't run those newer versions They run polymer 1.0 polymer 2.0 or polymer 3.0 in youtube Would mean that this would be not a problem in firefox or safari So we talked about this a little on this morning stream This morning scott, but it's my belief that you know chrome and youtube are not all sitting together hatching a plan The youtube people want as many people watching videos as possible They don't want this to be a problem in the browsers But i'm guessing it's it's sort of an internal blind spot where they were all Using chrome and not paying enough attention to the impact of this And there's probably a lot of work that needs to be done to put polymer 2 or polymer 3 into youtube And so now they're like well, you know, we've got so many things on our plate. Where do we prioritize fixing this? Especially if the majority of their users are from chrome, which they probably are Yeah, and a fix in the form of a of a plugin is kind of a bummer not really my favorite way to pass It's a work around a and fix. Yeah, I guess yeah It's not even really a fix you're you're basically running more code to fix a code problem But I would really like them to fix this because I just think it looks bad And I know that you know, I agree with you this morning This isn't like them to sit around going ah, we've made it harder to use other browsers for google product Now youtube wants you to be able to view youtube wherever you are on whatever device you're on At any time of the day you want to do this and I saw this problem with firefox and it's super ticked me off And uh notice that chrome was running it just fine So just from an appearance standpoint or whatever go in there tweak this thing fix it and everybody's happy Yeah, uh the nuns used to call this a sin of omission not a sin of commission They didn't intend to make it not work in chrome. They just didn't think about it not working in other browsers They really come from nuns. I didn't know that. Yeah, and catechism when I was a kid I know we talk about sins of omission versus sins of commission and how they're both sins Just because it didn't come in. What's the worst one? That was the point they're not you you don't get out like well, it's just a sin of omission.  It was a little harsher back Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day at about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com Now breaking right before the show youtube is expanding its virtual reality app to support samsung's gear vr devices and Adding a new feature that lets users watch a video together and chat Well, sarah that sounds very similar to something facebook has announced or at least widely released as well Yeah, and yeah, very good timing. Uh, can't imagine that these companies know what the other companies are doing So, yeah, uh news from this morning facebook has a new Feature which was actually in beta. So limited beta possibly have used before called watch party started as what facebook called experimental tool They introduced it back in january. They talked about it at f8 for facebook group members to watch videos together now Once a few people have joined it kind of works the way a lot of these third party apps has worked before There's somebody who's the host they can load up videos into a queue if you are viewing it You can suggest videos for the queue the host can Designate co-host to you know kind of help we could all be in there kind of putting our our queue together and It's interesting because facebook live is not dissimilar to this but that's live streaming This is videos that people are watching on facebook already and facebook's trying to Figure out how to get us all to watch it together. It's kind of playing dj with videos, I guess Yeah, but also the idea that Whatever you're watching is in sync with whoever's watching it with you and you're talking about it as if you're in the living room together Again, this all sounds familiar. You know, I've heard this so many times. In fact, I was doing a I was doing a search online Uh this morning to be like what came before watch party watch party sounds very familiar to me weren't there a lot of other you know, there are there's a gaze which is a An app I don't use it but it's you know, the whole idea is watch videos with people who are far away from you and then there's uh Together tube which is only youtube's that people can watch together same idea They all kind of work the same right where there's a chat and there's a video in sync option watch together is well known It's always um in a slideshow articles about this stuff And then there's a chrome extension, which is called Netflix party, which is interesting because tom you mentioned when we were talking about the story this morning Wouldn't it be great if netflix did this? Yeah, and I couldn't remember if it was a netflix experiment Uh, because sometimes they do those hackathons and they they come up with this stuff And it never really hits hits people but I must have run across this extension before because There there's two things going on one is the constant need of companies to want us to watch things together There was a a feature in blu-ray that would let you do this There was a feature in xbox that would let you do this and it never seems to catch on But the watch party the reason why I brought up the dj Analogy is it's not just we'll sit and watch a movie together It's there's a host who's like let me play these cool viral videos and we can all talk about them together Kind of feel to it Right didn't xbox. I thought for a while microsoft is experimenting with some kind of Yep, that's what I just said. Was that the one you were talking about? I think I mentioned xbox along with blu-ray I missed I missed that. Yeah, I never actually got to participate in that but I I don't think that's still a thing. I think that's done now Well, facebook has been experimenting with a lot more original content. It's watch feature Obviously is you know, uh, it's similarly named to watch party and facebook doesn't necessarily that's a little bit different Right because they're content partners. This is like if I'm just kind of throw out something on my timeline Maybe if I if facebook could make it advantageous for all of us to get together Watch it spend more time on the network that of course facebook would then You know be able to say oh people are spending more time. We like this then of course they're going to add this option I like this option. I would like us all to watch something and have like a really easy way to watch it together I don't think these things ever catch on because they're only fun for a while And so they always make good demos They make good betas because the beta period is short enough that people don't get tired of it But they don't last people love it. Try it a couple times have some fun But it doesn't become a regular thing eventually.  I just want a while I don't want to have to go show up for the watch party Like I just don't think it it has long lividness Through it not livid but something like that. Well, so the you know, they launched it in january and did a little testing We are now, uh, they're now rolling it out to all facebook groups Obviously some facebook groups have more uh enthusiastic members than others But I think it really depends on yeah How much is that person who's kind of owning this experience? Using facebook already is that where their network is I can see this working really well for Certain celebrities and people of interest but not my profile I've got a pretty active facebook group for our tadpool people And I could see this being really well handled there And I'd actually say that this is maybe the best application For this sort of thing because groups are inherently already a thing In theory that you joined in good standing and that it's sort of a shared Already they're shared ideology. It's not just some rando room full of people You don't know who are there to troll you and So that already feels better to me. I've used big screen vr before both on the uh oculus go and um the vibe And that's a sort of you can call also create private rooms But that's sort of a drop-in drop out of randos watching youtube videos and it can get rough in there. So Uh, I actually think this is probably the best The best place for it at least as a platform to then expand and do more I'm gonna put my prediction out right now that this does not catch on Uh again because again so many people have tried this there is a limited market for it It will always be popular at first with a group because it's novel and new But it's not something people want to do for a long time What people do want to do for a long time is watch a live stream Whether it's somebody talking while they play a video game or or just uh, or just live You know live streaming their life and chatting with folks That is compelling people like to do that. I don't know that they like even if there's a celebrity host To continually go have someone play videos for them As much maybe they just haven't hit on the right formula of of the person who really knows how to put together a good Playlist and that'll happen and this will hit off or maybe you're right there Maybe it's with celebrities Whereas you have enough churn in the audience that even if one person doesn't keep doing it every day for a long time People keep showing up because it's such a vast audience But I just I just don't believe this this ends up making a difference for facebook I also don't think movies are a good thing. I think that's boring and dumb and weird for that format Uh, unless it's because you don't interact when you watch a movie in a theater You don't I mean there's something to being around other people But you don't want to sit there and chat with them while you're watching Well, no, but somebody the whole point is that some people do like let's say you're watching I don't know a movie you've seen 50 times. It's like your favorite kids movie Like you don't necessarily need to be there silently not chatting that might be the fun of it Could be there are you know, there there are instances where I think this would be fun But yeah, tom, you're right. Is it every thursday? How do you like keep up the momentum of this? Yeah, like I could watch fail videos with my friends all day But I I think there's just a limited appeal whereas the one streaming to many method of say twitch or whatever That also seems a little crazy on some level Like if you go back 10 years and say hey people are gonna sit and watch by the hundreds of thousands somebody play a video game And comment on his play You would have maybe said sure whatever. Well, I'll believe it when I see it Well, that's happening. That's the thing people are into it. So maybe we're wrong on this or there's some curve We don't see But I just don't know man just seems like a weird I I couldn't do it for very long I don't think the more I read about it the more I'm like, yeah, uh live streaming That's you know people watching a thing that someone's hosting Like that that's what works. I don't think we need to reinvent it. 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He says he is from uh, oh so renee orland of florida had a few thoughts on physical security keys uh from our google story yesterday that was more about google employees than a google product Uh, but he said speaking as an air force communication system troop for well over a decade This is exactly the same thing that the dod has been doing for about uh, 15 years works great Every employee gets an id card known as a common access card has a security chip installed into it with pki certificates They can be used for network access computer stuff email logging into dod websites You just insert your card into a reader and enter your pin easy He called me scooter scooter though wondered about the issue of people losing those cards And if that's just a huge hassle happens when you have around three million employees It's going to keep happening the old card is easily invalidated New one can be issued and then he said ps and I think this is for you tom go comes Oh man, uh sergeant Jenkins. I was I was with you right there till the end Uh, then you lost me on that Last slide actually emailed him back saying pretty much the exact same thing, but this is great. This is great info Thank you sir. Yeah, absolutely. We also got another quick email from brian who wrote in on our topic about Uh nudity on facebook Uh, um and religious It was the it was the rubors piece of artwork that was used in an ad And a flanders museum's ad was banned because it had this classic piece of art in it that showed jesus without a top On so brian says well imagine my confusion when I heard that pwe herman was an accomplished painter I didn't know took a minute to realize that scooter was talking about a work of art by Flemish artist peter paul rubens Not paul rubens. This is what happens when you trust me to write your article for you and I forget peter I did not remember that was pwe herman's name So good work brian and sorry for the confusion that is definitely that would have been a really different spin on that story We are friends enough with the flamish artists that we just call him paul That's that's why yeah, it's paul rub Yeah Uh speaking of uh Gojo, I don't know. I tried to do that on the fly. That was too hard. Scott johnson What's been going on since we saw you this time last week? That's what threw me off earlier because I used to my nickname of growing up a scooter. So, uh, Seriously thrown by that Hey, there's a lot going on All kinds of stuff. I don't even know where to begin So I won't I'll just tell people to go to frogpants.com and keep an eye on things There's always something going on. 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I didn't miss that disappointing report It's all over for watch party About watch party Uh, yeah, this this is an oversight Facebook slump 7% after the social network reported lower than expected quarterly revenue and monthly active users months after the social network became into world in a scandal Monthly active users rose to 2.23 billion falling short of a consensus estimate of 2.25 billion looks like uh, they were The these earnings came out 11 minutes ago. So I don't think yeah, it wouldn't yeah, we'll but like And weren't people just freaking out. I swear it was yesterday. They were just talking Well, I guess it had been last quarter but they were talking about how impressed they were with the numbers despite The controversial hearings and everything else. Well, yeah a three months ago when their last quarterly report came out Yeah, but I mean the headline. I hate headlines Well, but I think that was more focused on user growth because the whole story was People no longer trust facebook. They're all leaving and then it's like, yeah, they really weren't they weren't exactly Yeah, also Impacts to advertising and things like that don't happen fast because there are contracts and plans and and so you you're more likely to see An impact from all of the hearings and stuff six months later, which is about now, right? So I'm not shocked by that Uh, oh qualcomm says it's dropping its offer to acquire nxp too. It's just taken too long Yeah, but they'll owe two billion if they do they have to pay the breakup fee Two billion. I wish I had two billion Well, I'm sure you do I would take you I do too AMC fully reinstates chris hardwick as talking dead host Oh, so many things breaking. I have so many thoughts about that, but it's just I don't know too personal. You know, yeah, like personal stuff.  Um, no, uh, also I want to say to scooter x Uh, we value you in the community. We're glad you're around And to the rest of the community, please don't ping scooter x every time we call sarah scooter Oh dear scooter scooter x. I'm so sorry It's like I was kind of gonna just go back to sarah You know like haha, that was a joke, but It seems to have been picking up steam. It caught on quick. All of my emails are addressed to scooter And I I love that so I'm like, all right, maybe we keep it Whether steam there's chat YouTube oh like where there's no fire. Yeah having your discord on steam Facing the same thing on facebook Well, I don't get that one I think you're looking at the same thing on facebook Facing the same thing Um, just well facebook's watch party have long lividness but too long liv id livid They do like where they're steamed. There's chat I wish that was a bigger story, but I guess it's pretty big. We could we could probably use that Because it is clever Yeah, I don't chat with a lot of people and I chatted with two people once team Fridge at the speed of light What will it do youtube sin of omission Scooter lane and scooter johnson I mean scooter x scott just happened to be named scooter or nicknamed scooter when he was younger Took him the entire show to mention that and then there's me. Yeah scoot cube Sounded this is a good company. I'm gonna do it in the pre show He's talking about muppets and scooter was a cool muppet. All right That's what that's who I think of Producer he was the one that got everyone for google in line In the last movie scooter worked for google or the movie before the last and then they hired him a way to work For kermit again Really? Oh, you mean for the tv series? I am not in the loop on these I don't remember. Oh the the recent one were Not the new new one, but the one right before it So this last one had ricky draves in it the one before that had dude from freaks and geeks in it Yeah, are the I mean, I know that like great muppet caper and muppets take men had and then like the old stuff Is it still funny? Are these movies still funny and adorable in the same way? I thought the one before last was I didn't see the last one and I actually kind of liked the show I thought that format was pretty fun But I don't think it's on now, right? It's bummed me out I just want muppets in my life. That's all I Probably irrationally want to name the show youtube sin of omission But I can be overruled to where there's steam. There's chat They're both. Oh, well, well as I started that sentence. They both had the same number of votes, but Yeah, I accidentally clicked on it. Oh, that was you. Okay I will you guys break that tie um All right, uh rock paper scissors. I'd go with steam. We talk about youtube more than steam Teen steam it is we talk about youtube more than steam I mean just in Yeah, like in a headline someone might be like, oh steam Oh, oh, we we mentioned youtube more often in a headline than steam. I get it. I thought you were saying on the show We talked about it more. No Um, slow Ready ready spice alarm. We could totally do something with elissa malana on steam I will say going back to muppets that Because I watched so much muppet show and sesame street like probably longer than any other kid It was really a big part of my life when jim henson died I can't listen to kermit Even though the kermit voice has been the kermit voice for a really long time I can only listen to the old version because it's not close enough for me to like Not feel it's it's really weird. It's not there. I kind of agree. It's really hard. However Uh, I I make allowances for that christmas carol thing they did It's my favorite thing and it's post jim henson's passing and which really bums me out, but I can I mean, they did a fine job at getting a very similar voice, but you can tell It's not the same. I always could tell early jim henson kermit versus later jim henson kermit too But I guess that's not as not as Profound it, you know what I mean like you still know it's jim henson even if he sounds a little Slight slightly different technology couldn't they replicate his voice using? Yeah Yeah, man. Wait, what is this technology you speak of?  So scott, I'll just keep sending you utah vc stories. I'm sure yeah, I like those That guy really does feel like somebody I would like bump into at a cosco. He's so utah everything about him. Really? Yeah, it's hard to explain, but he's just got that Hey guys, I just graduated by you and I'm gonna get second round of funding on my it's just so When I worked at tech crunch one of the writers the senior writers was sarah burr and she grew up in salt lake city And she was always talking about like there's actually a really cool tech scene there You have to you know, seek it out a little bit more than silicon valley, but there's a lot going on Yeah, there's a ton going on. There's all kinds of weird startups. I mean, we're We were famous for word perfect starting here and novell and all that that's kind of old school But these days there's a lot of weird new tech and and then offices for like everybody Intel microsoft adobe. They've got big campuses here for stuff um, I don't know what they all do but Well, I know the adobe one is mostly um Connected to like their van their evangelist stuff that I guess veronic is working on now. Yeah. Oh, we could say that now good Oh, I think we can't she started Yeah I saw an announcement So yeah, I think I knew she was going there a long time ago And I couldn't say anything about it for the longest time so I haven't but I guess I now it's you and your movies and your veronica news Uh, but yeah, she's a adobe evangelist That's awesome. Yeah, it means that she uh, she wears, you know, the the gown and then she stands at a podium Yep Photoshop Have you have you seen the changes to photoshop? Uh, no, that's not what she does. That's excellent and she is able to be based out of tempsisco. Yeah Yeah, absolutely, which is great. She's also, uh, still working on the audiobook for gallium We were supposed to do it Do another recording session And it and her new adobe friends took her out for drinks On her first day Uh-oh No, it was not it wasn't like that. It was more like oh, I forgot that Her first day was a monday and we were supposed to record on a tuesday and then the tuesday ended up or something like that Anyway, because she had been in orientation She did they didn't get a chance to take her out for welcome drinks until the same day they were supposed to record Anyway, we're recording on sat on saturday, so it's all good.  That's how it starts tom. We've all seen this come before That's great. That's awesome. Yeah I'm pleased for her, but that's also part of the explanation of her not doing dts stuff Is she can't really do both of those? Yeah, it's to evangelize Well, if anyone hasn't caught up on irl lately, it's one of my favorite podcasts Veronica hosts it and I think she's gonna keep doing that And it just it's just a really good show well produced subjects are good guests are good I'm I'm you know, I mean she's always been super capable, but I'm like this is a really cool project I think they frontload them too so she can get them done and a big huge chunk and not have to worry about Although although depending on the episode, you know, sometimes they're very timely, you know, it'll come out on wednesday And I'm like, oh, yeah, that was yesterday's story. So they're you know inserting things when they can so that's good That's good Yeah, they do a great job with that Really good really good podcast and Veronica is just so pleasant to listen to Ain't she just she really is That's why I wanted to do my audio book. Yeah. Um, yeah Very offended just for the record, but okay. Hey, I've got other books Eventually you'll come to me if you're not if you're not kidding. I will uh, I will come out I will take you up on that I'll read your book. I just don't I don't know. I mean I think it um Some people have a better Audio book voice than other people. I don't know what those parameters are but you know it when you hear it I'm not sure if I have that I bet you think you do probably depends on the book Yeah Uh, yeah, well that that was the other thing is uh, the the main character and most of the supporting characters in gallium are female So that makes it easier. I didn't that's why I didn't want to read the book because I'm like Me but you're not using a bunch of voices No, Veronica's still reading all the male parts too It was just the like 70 of the characters are women in gallium. So I'm like that Let's have a woman. Yeah, you wouldn't be like like, hi You're like feeling. Oh, this is not working out Of course. Hi. Is this a woman's voice? It all sounds like Mickey Mouse. Oh As it happens, it's uh, uh, who's the guy that does all the steam king, um, dark tower books, uh George gweed all It all yeah, he'll do he'll do the female voices here and there and it's oh, yeah No, there's plenty of yeah, it happens all the time, right? It's just not great It depends and and There's you know, if the book only has a couple of characters that you have to cross over That's one thing. Yeah I mean has there been any audiobook that has a bunch of characters like a lot where they're all Different voices try well. Yeah a lot of a lot of readers There's two different ways to to approach it from what I've seen as a as a listener Which is there's the will Wheaton way where he slightly alters his voice and he's such a good actor that he can He can make it work. Uh, but he doesn't try to do voices, right? But then there are other people who full on like I've got the rough voice for the minor No, I'm talking about different people.  I just haven't really heard any. Yeah after on, uh, I was the voice of the new york times Uh, leola port was the voice of arse technica Felicia day was the voice of a reporter who blogged Uh, and then there was you know, there was a I think it was um Oh, what's his name john hodgeman? Uh, did the voice of these amazon reviews that were part of the book like great Huge cat Yeah, uh, world war z was like that the original book adaptation. All right. Yeah. Yeah Well, because nothing would stop you right? I guess just most people are like if you get one good voice Just get it over with because otherwise you're yeah, you're doing like an animated movie with you know microphones and people together and stuff I feel like I enjoy them more when it's one good voice because Then it's it's back down to it just becomes my internal voice. So Back down to me and my imagination and less about me. Oh, that's alan alda in the role of whatever And once I'm into a book if it's a male reader doing a female voice or vice versa It doesn't stick out to me anymore Like it never it never hits me. So I you know, I I like if they vary the tone Maybe even the accent a little bit depending But I don't need them to like To all be entirely different voices Well, yeah, because you don't do that in your mind really I don't know Maybe we do a little bit but when I'm reading I'm not trying to do voices for myself I'm just reading, you know, you kind of want it to just be simple so that you escape from Right, you know you get into the story I think I prefer reading Over audio these days. I go back and forth It really depends on when you ask me I um I prefer reading too But I get so tired It's like I only really have time right before bed and reading a book is like I might as well take an ambient I mean that is absolutely where I am like I I prefer audio books simply because I will get more books read That way Even though I like reading text, but I fall asleep that If I start reading I get I strain because I have bad vision. Well, aren't you special? Yeah, special enough. I can't get Also in your car and there's just so many ways where I can you know get caught up on stuff Not just audio books, but audio stuff in general But I do love a good book You know with self-driving cars you can just kind of kick back and read the old-fashioned ways here Well, I don't think that's true roger. I think you should have two hands on the wheel still no No, he's talking about level five autonomy Or the train or the plane or or someone else driving the automobile I like one of those people that are on the left that like needs to backseat like Like I don't think you're going the right way. I might want to make a turn here I like that. You got plane train and automobile in one sentence in that order I like that movie. I love that movie. It's like spherical So good movie. I don't even have to it doesn't even have to be Thanksgiving or the holidays for me to watch that Maybe I'll watch it. Well, it's fun because john candy sometimes just like he was irksome to me The comedy was like, uh, he's the annoying guy always But in that movie it works so well because steve martin does that whole like I roll my life thing. Yeah, really well Yeah, I like me I like people like me and I like The people who watch our videos and thank them for watching. Hope you had a lovely time We're going to wrap up our video now, but if you're an audio listener, stay tuned. There's more to come Bye video people


Okay, so let's do another one of these specific rotation problems. This one we're actually finding the observed rotation. It says, calculate the observed rotation of a solution of 0.5245 grams of S1-amino-1-phenyl-ethane diluted to a volume of 10.0 mls with methanol at 20 degrees Celsius using the D-line of a sodium lamp and a 1.00 decimeter tube. Specific rotation of this material is negative 30.0 degrees. Okay, so let's figure out what the observed rotation is. So how do we do this? Y'all, what's the first step we need to do? Formulate. The formula. Y'all remember the formula? Yeah. So what is it? So this is called specific rotation, right? Equals what? Observe. Divide. Divide. Path length. Concentration. Concentration. Okay, this time we're looking for observed though, right? So we're going to have to rearrange this equation to solve one. Okay? So I'm just going to rearrange it. Observed equals alpha D or specific rotation times path length times concentration. Okay, so now it's, well, no, we don't have the concentration yet, right? So we've got to figure that. Okay, so let's go over here to figure out what the concentration of our compound is. So, and we want that concentration in grams per mil. So we've got those units already. So that's nice. 5245 grams per 10.0 mils. Oh, I guess I don't need to. So we have concentration. We have path length. We have observed rotation. So our specific rotation. So <IP_ADDRESS>.245 grams per mil. Like that. Negative 1.5.6. I'm sorry? Negative. Oh, you've already solved it. Okay, wonderful. Now let's solve it together. So what do we got? Negative 30 times 1 times 0.05245. And what did you say? Yeah, so how many safe things though? Only three. Okay, so negative 1.57 degrees. So that's the observed rotation. Is everybody okay with doing that one? Okay, wonderful. Questions before I kill it? No. Questions? You sure? All right.