Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's going on Tom? How you doing? Hello friends. How's it going? It's going pretty well tonight. We are going to be discussing This the Mad King Rises we're gonna be doing our review of book four of the dawn bringers and This is and I finally get to weigh in yeah, like I finally get to weigh in on On on FEC like I didn't get to be here for the show. Thanks, Vince But you're gonna hear my thoughts on FEC tonight. So you could have been here. Hey shush Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna talk about the book tonight Break it down. It's an interesting book. It's kind of very different than the rest of them have been We'll get into it, but first of course as always the news How about that rumor engine? Yeah, how about you bang around to your mic more? Yeah, it's a gross thing. I don't want to look at I don't know what it is. I mean Is it really that bad? Yeah, your sound got weird. Why did your sound get weird? Your sound was fine. What did you do? How about now is it any better? Yes, and stop hitting whatever's near your microphone on your laptop just stop They're there there may have been magic cards on it.  I'm so like Okay, that's fine Yeah, it looks great. I I'm interested at least Like yes, it's gross. There are gross things. It's maybe it looks fleshy obviously It's a little bit veiny There's some ripping and tearing going on I think on that skin not sure what's going on there. It looks interesting Calm saying sure you have my attention Gw neat next next thing. Okay, they're good. I got that gross picture out of here All right Okay What let's let's talk about the next news item I mean, there's not really any other news other than the cities of Sigmar FEC like spearhead boxes sure That's why I've got which we knew this was coming, right? So spearhead for those that don't know 40k had something similar there. It's kind of like Vanguard only hypothetically they are balanced against one another So they're similar equivalent points or or something and they're meant to be kind of played out of the box or out of the gate Why this is relevant is because Gw did this with 40k was it combat patrol? Yeah combat patrol, correct. Yeah 40k is combat patrol And what's interesting is that like You guys have heard me talk about my excitement regarding the The The storm The magazine thing storm the magazine hatchet hatchet storm ringer magazine For aos Well, what they're doing is they've just announced for 40k a combat patrol version where basically every month You're getting one of these combat patrols in addition to the other stuff in the magazine For 40k and so rather than being focused on like two armies with some supplemental sprinklings like they have been the last two seasons Um, what hatchet is doing is that basically every month you're getting a different combat patrol And so you're getting a like chunks of a bunch of different armies Um, and so we can only assume in two years two and a half years. We'll see something similar for aos So, yeah, it's exciting Yeah, I mean Bronomates that have we had spearhead confirmed as aos combat patrol We're all just assuming it. I mean, we're all just assuming it but like it doesn't this isn't a logical leap one combat patrol was meant to be the The pre con commander mtg equivalent for Uh, 40k where you could just pick up this box. They could direct you to the box They find the one that looks like it has pretty pictures to you Which one looks cool Take that paint that played against your friends who have the same box and it's going to be a relatively balanced experience Right, that was the promise now. How much it delivered on that? That's you know, whatever But I mean it's fine Like again, when you're all new players, it doesn't matter It's you're all just getting stuff wrong most of the game is decided by your dumb play mistakes Not the points in the box. Okay Like I could hand a new magic player my most powerful commander deck and then whip them with my weakest one Okay, it's not of course That's just not how the world works like so it doesn't matter how it like these need to be roughly balanced not precisely balanced, okay Yeah, yeah, uh So the key is an introductory play product like that's the big deal here. It's like that's the actual that matters Yeah, yes, and that stuff's really important because the reality is they they have just lacked Uh, this sort of a thing I didn't have my light on I apologize everyone Um, they didn't they've just lacked this This product and there hasn't been an easy on-road. So, you know, will it manifest as sort of a full-fledged combat patrol? Probably Where they're all meant to be played against each other But even if it doesn't it's still an easier on-road the idea is these are playable boxes My real hope is that whatever the rules are with this or whatever the rules are with With like playing at lower points and in 4.0 that it's actually playable that the game is playable at a lower points value That's the actual thing I want to see so yeah You're saying generating a relatively balanced play experience. Yeah, because right now I don't think the game really works below 1500 points. I think that's pretty much where the game actually functions Like if you play a thousand points, it works when you're playing doubles All right, which there's actually 2000 on the table, right? Exactly Um, like aos works fine at 1500. It's fine But that's because that's just close enough to the 2000 you're still basically playing the army. You just don't have all the toys Right, right.  So I guess time will tell All right, cool I think that's really all the news this week. It is a It is a very light news week and that's fine. Hey, that's okay Uh, very good. So Let's uh Let's move on. Let's talk about some pick of the week Tom What do you want to share with everybody? Uh What have I been watching this week? It's so funny like you you had to know this was coming I know, um, I just I I blanked on it. Uh, let's see. Um Uh Doom and darkness has had a couple videos. He's actually like back and he's making some videos He's in the chat as a matter of fact. See what he is in the chat So Two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago.  And then did a not scientific assessment of the responses of that scientific, um And it was a wonderful like it was a wonderful poll to the community because he got like 100 some responses like robust engagement, you know Reflections and one of the fascinating things about it was that In general most people voiced they love aos But all of the complaints almost always center around two things the ghb And battle tactics and grand threads. Yep amazing like Um, and so I I don't think that are anyways, I found the video interesting I found the video was certainly in alignment with what where we've been at or what we've been feeling Uh, just to watch the the community respond similarly. So I say that just to say, um, go check it out It's a great video. It's always good to see doom making content Agreed completely Uh for myself, my pick of the week is going to be our good old buddy. Hey woe specifically the rebroadcast of hey woe's twitch streams. Hey woe plus there is a specific video link down below It's actually part three in an ongoing series And it's part three of god knows how many parts probably something like five or six is what it'll end up being But that is the hey woe's hot takes Uh, so he polled basically people on twitter and in discord and everything like that for the hottest of hot takes And then sjrk put them all together in a preso for him to sort of react to And Boy oh boy, is there a lot of fun discussion in that like it's it's some of them aren't That hot some of them are quite tepid it takes But nonetheless, it's some of them are are fiery lava. So all in all just great Hey woe is very good at reacting to those sorts of things. So, uh, do check it out It is linked down below Uh, and and just a lot of fun. Tom. I think you really like it if you haven't watched it yet I haven't I participated in the thread. So I am sure that he is responding to one of my hot takes in there What was your hot take? Uh, I have to go look. I don't remember it was it was probably like, uh Uh It was a long it was it was along the painting meta because it stirred up a bunch of of of folks on Twitter, um that Uh, I think it was along the lines of the the hobby aspect of the game like painting in soft scores, maybe are are essential to the character of The type of community that we have and to remove. Yes. I remember this. I remember this rip the heart out of the community Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah But but hopefully hopefully we'll So it's definitely on there and it definitely stirred up some folks, uh on on Well, there was already many hot takes in the opposite direction of people talking about how they're they're Painting you shouldn't have to paint and all this stuff like people trying to absolve themselves from sin Uh Okay, so voidspark 77 vince ventrell any tips on scratch building a fusel Make or make make megaware the dude with the the guy with the gun in the crow's nest the ogre Yeah, uh, I've got the ogre I want to use and I just need the crow's nest to attach to him I mean sure you scratch build it. It's simple as like a big the pvc sort of like Pipes you can get basically or something like that to make the piece of wood Score it up build the crow's nest out of similar plastic art or something like you can get plastic art pipes You can get plastic art stuff like that make it into shape throw shields and stuff all over it to make it look You know like throw uh cities of sigmar shields all over it Put a little flag in the middle stand any random cities of sigmar gunner in it There you go good to go. Nope. That's wrong answer. You buy an iron blaster. Let's start there No, that's he's asking. He has an ogre. He just he's asking for how to do this thing And then you use you use the chariot as as the howda on top Um because it has little walls and everything so you could build that and then you just get like a rifleman There you go done Hobby hobby cheating with tom that completely would not work in any way shape or form what you've just described Okay, because he has the little reins and so he could like be holding on the backpack. You just gotta readjust the arms. It'd be great I know somebody in our audience is going to do that what I've just described and it's going to be amazing Uh bruno says the chat was kind of mad about tom's take nice He must have reviewed it on the most recent live show, but it hasn't tripped over to hey, well Oh, I'm sure I am sure that uh people Or whatever so yeah, very nice delightful Uh, yeah, happy valentine's day everybody Uh, it is indeed um, okay Uh, cool very good. Well, let's talk about some hobby time. Shall we? Tom what you've been working on man. What's been on your desk? Um, I have a commission that I'm working on right now As I'm waiting for all the rest of my fec to get mailed to me, um, namely Gormane and uh usher on and all the the rest of uh those kits that are coming So, um, draw it drops. I believe this um This saturday, right Is when that and that when that so it should be shipping soon is the answer So i'm working on some uh some commission Last saturday, but okay, sure Yeah, whatever Uh, it should it should be showing up in my mailbox soon. I don't know when it'll be fine. Um So, uh, yeah, i'm excited about that. I'm waiting for uh, I am waiting for The rest of my fec stuff and then I need to figure out what my new list is good But all of that is kind of on hold as we've awaited For those who are playing Warhammer weekly bingo streamer aos bingo as we're waiting on the war scroll Um, I haven't been able like I recognize that fec is likely to be changing some And so uh, the list that I have been running. I'm not, uh, you know, I recognize I will not be able to continue to run at the events Yeah, I suppose that's a news item. We didn't mention is Uh day 543 still waiting on that battle scroll, but you know, that's that's fine um, I suppose it will it will Like a wizard it will it's neither late nor early. I guess it arrives when it's ready.  It is definitely late And they need to deliver it soon. That's all I mean, how long did gandalf take to get back to the shire after he was like Hey, keep it secret. Keep it safe. That was like four years. I'm just saying yeah, he was late A lot happened at that time. What happened if he had gotten there earlier? Then they definitely wouldn't have to worry about the Nazgul in the ring right to chasing him down. That's all i'm saying I guess it would have been a different story Uh, so I I mean I have to imagine it's any day now Usually if these things fall of suit it will be tomorrow morning Because they always drop at the day after our show What i'll say is this They literally said on facebook it's dropping this week when somebody brought it up on monday Like they said they said it on facebook in a response. It is coming this week Yeah So now whether we can believe them or not. That's a whole another You know, that's a whole other thing but um It's yes, it is supposed to be dropping this week sure Well, I suppose we'll we'll all read it tomorrow and determine it together and Not be able to talk about it until next week as is usually the case um, all right cool My hobby time has been a couple different things. So first off i'm going to do it I'm going to share a picture with everybody thought it was rather in in line with tonight So this is my, uh Usher on he's up on screen. So this was my most recent video Uh, this is him painted here and all done with his conversion to stand him more upright Uh, as a king should be not hunched over like some weird little weird little goblin Uh Lots of people in the comments of the video Couldn't believe I didn't like the sculpt Yep, I didn't Like I like the sculpt. I just don't like the composition of it.  There's lots of things about it I don't like that. I don't think came out very well, but it was still fun to do and I learned a lot um And you know, I like you know, if people like the normal sculpt I'm not going to yuck there. Yeah, I'm like go ahead like the normal one Um, you're you're free too. I'm not telling you what to like or dislike uh, but I I I just I I prefer the art where he's big and up and rearing and stuff like that and so I um Yeah, I decided to change it. So that's been part of my my project to finish that up and then obviously the video came out this week um so you know uh In the end, I want people to Be empowered to make their sculpts their own And if they don't like them then I want them to feel like it's okay You can change them because it is doable even Huge crazy re sculpts like this Which was like huge parts of this model just didn't exist And I had to like cut it from whole cloth Like his entire back is completely sculpted all of the center of his torso is completely sculpted The entire backs of his legs like none of that stuff exists on because when he's all hunched none of it is actually there Yeah, so yeah, I I just wouldn't have done that Uh, sure. I mean my point was to pick something truly insane for everybody to try to like show Uh That like you really can do these things right like it's it's you you can um And to give people the techniques to change things if they want to by picking the most Outrageous conversion I possibly ever could right like I mean this is truly as crazy as one could possibly get Uh, so I look forward to building him as he's supposed to be Which is fine. Again, if you like the base one, I'm I'm here for you, man I'm glad that they delivered something you like. That's good. That's a good thing. It's awesome to have things you enjoy I'm just saying I didn't because I didn't like the composition That's all but anyway Uh You know, I'm not I'm not trying to Yuck anyone's young, but this is a fun project I like how he came out ultimately and it's neat to have plus the fun part about converting And this is neat to have the only version of a thing Also, I put the little guy on there to catch the little guy down by there as a little attendant I've got a little bit down there too Because he like once I took away that guy's tactical rock Um, he fit like perfectly onto the stairs like it's his exact stance is like foot foot acts They all met the three stairs in a row and I was like What is this with the hand of fate right? um Yeah, I mean like it was it was So I wanted to give him plus once he stands up There's just like his base was way too big for him once he's standing Because when he's all hunched his cloak is all spread out like he's taking up a ton of this base Right. Yeah Yeah, but once like I once I got him up off the base It was just like way too much base for way too little guy when it was just his two little feats On it so I had to get somebody else on there to kind of break it up um So there you go, uh, plus that guy is kind of trash and I would never use him anyway So I didn't mind using that model, uh as just like base adornment. So that's fine amazing Uh, so there you go. My other hobby time once I finished that guy up Uh has been spent on this fellow right here. Yeah, I don't have a picture of him yet But it's he's right here. It's the new tomb king guy From the old world box set. I really like this new tomb king and although you're not going to be able to see it I'm working on a bunch of that's the new foot the new fucking. Yeah. Yeah, you can put him on the big dragon, but I'm not um Yeah, this guy's pretty cool and I just uh, I wanted to work on my non-metallic copper And so I got out a bunch of paints and Messed around and found a recipe I quite like And then I decided to do all of it in non-metallic copper and like really high quality stuff because the best way you can fix the thing Is or learn a thing or practice a thing or whatever you want to say you get better at a thing Uh, it's just by doing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again And that's certainly what this guy will require because there's a lot of little metal on him right now I have like his weapon done the top of his head and stuff like that. So that'll be a video in the future at some point. So Look for that Cool. So that's been my hobby time very very busy. It's good to be back home and actually able to uh to work on some hobby over the weekend and such Uh, okay cool Uh, I that's that's as good as it's gonna get Charles. Like I can't like if I push it up here It's just gonna get blasted by this light. That's right here, man I'm not I'm not not showing it because I'm scared of showing you something because this is nothing That's what's gonna happen, man Um, so at any rate Uh Hey Tom Did you know that the mad king is rising? Have you heard about that? Yeah, I heard about this guy I have heard heard of the good news. Have you heard the good news of usher on? Uh, yeah So Don bringers book for The mad king rises by the way if you haven't hit like yet hit like hit like for our crazy little friend here Our newest entry in the in the more Tark Uh In the more Tark group Uh, whatever you think of him. He has a cool entry in the story. I'll say that Uh, so Um, let's talk overview This is a Well, not yet.  Everybody's very excited. We'll get there when we get there You could talk about the book overview first Okay, so First off, this is a death focused fully death focused on bringers book. Okay Um, this really didn't introduce Uh As much new content as some of the other books for like matched play Uh But it did introduce six new regiments of renown Which I hate And one new army of renown, which I love Uh, and that's not anything about these regiments of renown I just hate regiments of renown in general I just because I don't like Taking 700 points of some other army in my army. That's it. I wipe I'm interested in armies for those armies I hate soup.  So I just so are you telling me That that we better be prepared because Like what happens if that's the new ally system? Like are you just going to be disappointed for the next edition? I just won't use them.  I just don't like it in general I'm making a statement about me me vins does not if I play an army I want to play that army and that should always be the best way to play that army competitively Is is not with allies not with allies If taking some other army in your army ever makes it better, they've messed up period full stop That's it If you want to make a fun choice Right because it's like your narrative that this thing is with this thing cool.  That's a very simple principle right So, uh Like I I don't know how else more simply to put it Um, and and every time we get these there ends up being something in there that's broken That's what it comes down to Um, there ends up being and like that's why I'd love allies to go away too because they're always allies are never used unless they're bent Right, that's it So like outside of a few interesting coalition cases where like The sort of the chaos god armies bringing in S2D units or whatever fine, right? Like I'm okay with that kind of stuff because those really are one army like at many points in time Those have just been literally one book Yeah, yeah So this is just like rx used to do that But like rando having this x joined y and z showing up here, you know, I just I hate it. I hate it okay, uh, but Even though this is a little lighter on match play On the nice side, there's actually some really cool stuff in here. For example, tom There is new triumphant treachery expansion in here with four new battle plans And a special triumphant treachery game that's actually meant to have a like a gm Like like there has to be a fifth person. Who's the game master? Who is negash?  It's cool It's fun little thing I don't know you're gonna have to have five people at the club to pull it off But still seems like a cool thing like I'm glad they did this kind of stuff The regular tnt is is good My only my only regret about the regular triumphant treachery and we'll talk a little bit more about it later on Is that there's only four battle plans? I think we should have went to a full six So there you go Um, and there's also a good size path to glory section, which will be Which we will not be talking about but if you're into it, it's here So there you go Peppo says so you're saying you didn't like cron spine being the best choice for multiple armies and multiple points You got it pepo. You know me Boy, excuse me.  So that's the book overview tom Now, uh Rule of cool war gaming, but vince is that a game issue or the player base issue Certain players not being able to control themselves and only using bent units or invent ways. It's the game issue It's the game issue people follow incentives Okay, if you set up your any system if you create incentives That incents people toward bad behavior. They will they will Conduct themselves. They will do a Okay, not all not every time but on the whole you will raise the percentage of bad behavior That is true for all systems in life and game systems in particular Okay, especially game systems Where the stakes are much lower Where there isn't really any moral or ethical reasoning Not to do it other than you don't want to be a jerk to your friends Right and the social contract is all that's stopping you Yeah So, you know Yeah, if if if it incents you toward bad behavior, like it takes quite a powerful um Contradictory force to then act against that like incredibly powerful social pressures Have to be there to act against that And in general those just aren't there. It's something as diffuse and large as As as like a war game played at this scale. So There you go Any any thoughts tom from you on the high level of everything? Uh, no, I mean, I think in general I agree with your assessment Um That you know like people will often like lean towards the You know the weakest design so to say. Yep. I mean water will flow towards the cracks, right? It will find the cracks. Yep Yeah, and that's not player's faults like to be very clear like that's just simply That's how things work Yep Yes, exactly pepo. Yeah, that's exactly right. Uh, okay cool Hey everybody, guess what? It's story time. That's right. Everybody. It's story time. Gotcha. You thought we were gonna do it We're gonna do it. It's story time Story time story time settle in while vince poorly explains to you the story that happens in book four Of dawn bringers. I've got my notes right here. I'm ready to go Let's do it So book four the mad king rises. What's going on here? Okay well We pick up with our two beaten broken dawn bringer crusades tom you remember one of them Uh is going through guy ran and one of them is going to oxy and both have encountered Many challenges along the way. Both are are hurting. Okay We're gonna start in guy ran this time Okay Now if you remember tom our brave guy ranian Crusade they have escaped the destruction of fort garthus the hands of broad and the mega gargants Right through the help of some storm cast and sylvaneth All right, they made their way north and they ran afoul Of some nergal forces and they fought some war clan stuff, right? All sorts of things happening And only through their combined Sort of the the allies and you know draka showed up and all this other stuff Did they survive all of this right now as we begin our story though Um We you know there the sylvaneth they're they're gone.  Okay They're like the hunt continues. We must go We've we've fulfilled our role in this story and now it is time for us to leave and so Belfinos hops off on his little bug Okay, that checked out. They have fulfilled their purpose Yeah, they've fulfilled their story purpose And he's like I must go now for I have no more point in this story and the rest of storm cast we're all like, all right Peace we out. Uh, I don't worry though. I'm sure you'll meet more of us soon.  What is it with cults? And these humans, okay? It's so it is a thing. Yes. Why do I why do my focus suddenly get weird? um I don't know what's going on there. Okay, so at any rate the um They took a bunch of the that that crusade with them Okay who all went and like joined the the Wild hunt and they're out now like just hopping around doing crazy stuff. Okay, that's Dobbing themselves with blood and wearing furs and just stuff like that. So they so it's weakened As one does yep sure Now importantly this particular thing if you remember is led by a woman named marshal thorian And she comes from like a long order of of jade mages right who were who were deeply connected to the sylvaneth And at the end of the last story she had like awoken some of her power and it started transmuting her Okay, like she's changing Okay So she's become known as the dame of leaves All right, that's that's because she's you know green and humans are not very creative So that was the best name they could they could come up sure On short order if somebody started calling me like the duke of leaves. I'd be like go back you got to find that's That's a first take try try it again try harder. Okay. We can do better. Okay If they called me the dame of leaves, I'd be pretty down with that That sounds pretty dope if it was referring to me, but for this character we can do better. Okay She seems in she's an interesting character I like it's funny because as usual A few of these characters they don't get a lot of screen time, but they actually come out pretty interesting So anyways, they're marching forward. They're leaving behind verity or whatever the big plane they're on with all the forests and stuff And they're marching for the neck Which the funniest thing in the world tom is when you read the story They say the neck Like 5 000 times. Okay. They're in the neck. The neck was confusing. The neck had them. They were lost in the neck and i'm like Boy, I wish we hadn't named it that now, huh? So now we have to see that in print 500 times that sounds really dumb anyways, they marched for the neck And at the root of the neck you might call it the collar Okay At the collar They they run into a giant bone wall Like a big giant wall Basically, they run into that piece of terrain That the studio built for obr that everybody wishes they would make and like every time they use an article They're like is that the new piece of obr terrain coming at so dope and it's like nope Nope, that's just the people in the studio Doing a cool thing that will never be released Stop it dash your hopes against the rocks now. Okay. Why do they hate it? Yeah, but they run into that you know what i'm talking about tom that i do I do i would i would be the first in line to buy it. I know exactly what you're talking about So it's like huge and long right it runs like it runs as i said, it's a collar runs the whole length of the neck You might call it like the turtle neck perhaps Okay, so they're wearing a bone turtle neck Sure, and check out.   So if you just feel like here's where you want to settle We'll we'll we'll keep you safe from the north and in 100 years We'll collect our first top first time but you get 100 years to build your city up I would have just been like, you know what this dude sounds like a pretty good offer This has been a pretty crappy trip. Let's just call it here guys. What do you think this seems good? This seems good. Like yeah, why not? Let's go. Okay. I'm pretty sure this is where sigmar was telling us to go all right Amazing because they don't they're not walking anywhere in particular.  I cannot get behind any of the humans because what they are doing is dumb They are consistently the only people with no idea what's going on Okay, they're just wandering through the wilderness surprised at every turn Never a clue as to what magical ephemera is around them And bewitching them and breaking their minds like every other paragraph is like Then they were uh Then they were bewitched by this then they were led astray by this then they were Turned mad by this it's every five seconds something okay and Like everybody who shows up in the story to help them's like here's what's really going on.  So none of it surprises you Right like they're all gods and monsters But you have kryptonite and every and you know artificial shark repellent and everything else you could ever want, right? like humans are resourceful and smart and and Clever right and and outthink all their opponents, but here they're the dumbest ones Okay, so there's no reason for them to survive. Basically. They're all just being there. You're watching people slowly die To for no good purpose Okay, that's it That's the story. Okay.  Yeah by book four It's Shocking that this is still going on. Okay, but it is At any rate Back to the bone legion guy who makes a perfectly reasonable offer, right?  We got to keep going through this. There's I mean, there's They'll never even pay it, right? Like that's not everybody dead by the time the first tithe was collected, right? Yeah, say what everybody? Everyone could be dead, but they're I mean they may as well just settle down there But they're like no because there's bad things behind us And it's like yeah, but you could just turn all your guns to them and set up a supply line and then You know reinforce like this is classically how in war you actually expand your terrain You don't just literally send a column of troops marching into the wilderness in some direction until they're ground to dust That's not actually how you expand and take terrain, right? Like lots of People in history have have through war expanded their terrain it happens and it's not in the anyway like what's happening here Okay At any rate So they shoot the wall That's it like they have guns. It's a wall.  That's a great quote verus. Give me back my legions. Yes indeed. What a what a great quote Absolutely correct and so at any rate um They basically all then charge through the wall and leave the obr behind and the obr is like Darn you We'll get you next time kids. Okay So there you go Okay, so that happens there Uh Meanwhile up in the rafters.   How does it get separated?  How would that occur? What are you guys doing? Okay So but they do they get separated all over the place Like they're just now they now a bunch of them don't know where the other parts of the army are So now they're all split up into like five different armies. Okay Okay now We need to pause here as they're making their way through the neck to a cutaway scene tom, okay And that is to our our new girl Sekar the uh the vampire lady with the big hat snake. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Yep So she's meeting with gormane the judge Yep, okay And so what makes him special what makes gormane special is he's fully aware of what's going on Like he's not actually under the delusion like he doesn't walk around deluded like the rest of the flesh eater courts do Okay, like he is so he's wearing that wig Willingly knowingly intentionally. He knows exactly what's happening. He knows what he is. He know like yes He is not deluded. Okay. Like He doesn't have the delusion He's just like very sensible and sort of uh, like he's he's completely Over this whole thing like he's fun.   Perhaps we should do this and this like he's fully deluded Right. Yeah Yep, and you can tell gourmain is just like this guy this guy And so he's cutting a deal with secar to basically that's where the wine is coming from Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. So he's funneling that out of the summer king's court onto ships That are helmed by nefarada's new lami and vampire captains But manned by like ghoul crew Under under their control Okay Yep And So they're talking and they're talking about their deal And basically both of them are like very frustrated with usheron Because of the way he vacillates between sort of normative. Yeah. Yeah Like gourmain just like because he's kind of over this dude Like his lord is is very fickle because he will vacillate between sort of rampaging madness and ferocity and like A sort of pallid lucidity where he's still trying to be quite noble and almost is like Into his own delusion, right? Okay And so they're like talking about it and they're like, you know, whatever this all seems a problem A bunch of the new lamians are at this court. So she's there. Sekar's there with a bunch of her vampire Coterie from nefarada's court, right? Okay, so that's that's all being said, right? We just get a nice illicit with the two of them talking and it is fun because he just sounds Exhausted every time he talks Gourmain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's just like like everything is just like Fine, you know, like that's his general tone, which is amazing. Yeah Okay, uh Bruno says if a lady shows up with that hat with that hat to y'all shop I would put something weird on my head as well. Yeah, that's a good point They both got weird head dresses So just like it's like the meeting of the weird headdress people never trust a death person with a weird head dress They're all they're all conspiring It checks out Okay So Back to our humans. They're traveling in the neck and sort of the main force with thorium Like I said, remember there's like four other forces that have been separated off, right? Yep The main force kind of pops out and They're like and they're and they find they run into astria sulp, right?  This has been set up. She's she's been heading for this same castle Right. Yeah, because she's trying to find the secret of how to fix the The degradation of stormcast on the reforging and she believes that the summer king has information on this Okay But I love how they just keep bumping into to stormcast.   No harm shall come to you within these walls That's crap And So like this is a weird vampire monster bedecked in entrails saying this right Sure sure to be clear Yep, and thorian and astrea are like Sure, what choice do we have? I guess we're just gonna do this So they're like, all right, let's go. Let's bring our entire forces in the castle and have lunch I can I can imagine nothing going wrong here continue. Yep so Uh Exactly said tom has the enthusiasm of someone stuck on the phone with their grandma amazing All right So they go in and they sit down and they all have to sit in like very specific positions Everybody has very specific places at the table tom, right?  They're all these like they're all this huge feast hall And they sit astrea right at the head of the table Okay Yep, not at the head but like at the Near the head of the table you get it like she's the first seat beside the head of the table.  Just don't look at this dude. You're not gonna be able to handle this.  And so they don't see him as like that What's on the screen right now? That's like this big hawking monster.   Yeah, sure. Why not? Okay So, I mean that's what you get when you're immortal Right when you're like whatever if this goes wrong, I'll just become a lightning bolt. I guess whatever All right, you could be a much more bold detective She's like, yeah, that's fine. I'll I'll check it out. We'll see we'll see where this goes I mean, you all are definitely dead, but like I'm just going to become a lightning bolt, right? So I guess whatever So she starts engaging him in conversation And she's asking him about the somber paladin and stuff like that, right? And he's like He's acting. He's very much in Uh Like she's like putting him in memory of his old self. He's like, yes, I I do remember noble lady I once went by such a name in the old days and she's like pressing him and pressing him on like There was this legend of a noble knight who cared for his people and shepherded souls the dead And though he was a fearsome warrior He looked after his people both living and dead, right?  And he like stands up and he's like, I have I doth have a proclamation, right? Because he's gonna like apparently talk about it meanwhile Sekar is like, all right, well, I can't handle this this idiot's lucid We got it.  Okay All of the ghouls because their lord has been shot Just go ham right Now Importantly, this doesn't work out for sekar how she thinks Because as soon as this goes this happens sideways. Yeah The ghouls all start ripping her attendance limb from limb Okay, like the new lobby and vampires are treated no differently from the humans to the ghouls. They are all uh Enemies of the of the court now. Okay So she's like she looks around to try to find gourmet and he's gone.  She's also a dummy. Yes, brightly happily And she's like, oh that tricky usher on. Well, he is a mortar. I guess he's clever Okay, sure. I mean when the bar is this low Okay In the land of the blind tom the one-eyed man is king, right? So at any rate um the So she bounces she like fleas she's like, oh, don't worry when I got here I explored this whole place attendance There are catacombs in the whole mountain beneath us. Remember it's a castle on top of mountain, right? And like all castles on top of mountains. It's riven through with with catacombs and tunnels beneath it I'm sure we can go there. There won't be ghouls there because You know reasons Okay narrator tom there were many ghouls there Amazing, okay, so they kill everybody else. She's with And so she has to have her like snake friend You know like her little snake friend that she travels around with who is a god, right? Until it like whatever whatever. It's too dumb for story to share, but it was a god.  And then she finishes him off And then it's literally just her alone and she's like well that went south And she just like bounces she like turns into bats or whatever and flies away That's it amazing, okay Meanwhile because you got three different things now happening in this fight, right?    I'm fine.   I'm a mortar. It's two bullets Like really really lady two bullets It doesn't matter how silver they are I'm one of the chosen. I am a mortar. Look at me. I'm 16 feet tall Okay And so yeah, he's fine and he's like, uh, all of it was my ploys. I am the king of masks I wear many masks and she's like, I don't think you wear them all. I think they wear you and he's like Nah, I'm rubber your glue or whatever. And I don't know like this.  He just kills them all Including astrea Right Yep And But he did have like she saw the books she wanted There like she actually saw the book she was looking for she goes to go for him He turns around grabs her and eats her Slowly so she doesn't go and turn into lightning immediately Okay Cool. Yeah, it's pretty grotesque honestly Uh, and like Yeah, I mean and then eventually she turns into lightning and Cracks back away, right, but she doesn't she saw the books but couldn't get at him theoretically Who knows I don't know if maybe she grabbed one of her two of them before she left maybe Because I think they're like possessions go with them. So I'm not sure I don't know how it works Maybe she got him. Maybe they didn't she kind of left that kind of got left open to interpretation.  You can pass through our walls. Don't tarry though or we'll eat you But otherwise we're cool. We're gonna call this one evensie stevensies Our healers will look after your wounded Uh, and she's like no And she's like, all right fine.  There's a couple little uh, little sort of uh ends on this one So first of all that castle was built by sky titans the one that that usher on has taken on Which I didn't know what I was going to say is so lessons here Don't go to weird castles Uh, you may get eaten I mean sure taking that offer from the from the obr guy That was the this whole thing was just like you should have taken that offer um The the castle was originally owned by sky titans, which was cool Like intelligent civilized giants mega mega dragons Um, which is neat that we didn't I don't know if we've actually ever mentioned sky titans in the The aos lore before they're an old world concept, but I don't know if you ever mention them here Um, the wall is being rebuilt Because usher on command because uh, sorry catacross demands it Um, all of the vampires who are the captains of the fleet Get torn apart by the ghouls who all instantly set upon their captains Okay, and then they take over the ships themselves. So there's like all the ships that are transporting the blood wine mutiny at once Okay, and they basically cut nefarada out of the deal uh, and then Two of the the other like splinters just get basically destroyed Lost by other things in the neck One of them comes out completely unscathed because it found Perfect pristine magical waters it was able to drink from and they can't really remember anything about it, but they're all fine now I'm sure that's okay. Nothing could ever be I'm sure nothing wrong is going to come from delusion inducing Yeah, so so she meets back up with the like shreds of her forces And That's it Robert said sky titans are mentioned as the creators of iron blasters. Yeah, yeah, but that was in the old world That's where they that they they took the iron blasts like iron blasters those cannons are sky titan cannons They just took them and repurposed them like that's it. That's a that's an old world piece of lore Because the ogre's basically killed out the sky titans in the in the old world Uh, so that's everything in gyrann Uh, so we now have the gyrannian crusade in shambles completely separated from any hope of ever getting anywhere back Because it can't go through the neck. It can't go back through the wall. It can't go back through forkardus Like what's the end of this road for them? What what do they hope I find here? I have no idea. I don't know either Like they don't have ships so they can't just like found a coastal city and then sail back Like I don't know what I don't know what the end of this road is besides just destruction So anyways, that's where they're at clearly know like clear end game. Yeah Okay, actually story time. Tommy ready. That's right. There's still more I'll go quicker through this one because this one was honestly the most the main thrust in this was Was legitimately like the gyrannian story was way bigger. The oxy and story almost nothing happens Okay, we pick up an oxy with corgis coal Who's who hears that vandices coming? The hammer hand is how they refer to her And he's like very well, then let us build a pyre and he starts dragging bodies And he's like I want a pyre so big and bright. He will find me from easier Right, so like call is trying to spark a showdown between he and vandices.  It's just you know, he's he's like He's seeing some movements Uh, dr. Doom tactical genius that he has or whatever, right? And so he to to preserve his holdings He's going into ultra defensive mode against a foe that has not yet revealed itself or whatever Uh, the most interesting scene in this book tom was like a one paragraph aside Okay, that has nothing to do with the story So manfred is killing a bunch of uh of bone reapers of osseac bone reapers And he gets down off as his big cat And He like no just pulled back like they're just they're they're not getting pulled back to the a points Hades, they're just like holding their existing territory and oxy in other places across all realms by the buy This is not just I should I said in oxy, but it's across all realms They they do mention that it's across all holdings the obr hold. They've all been taken off of offense and put on defense okay At any rate manfred is Rating uh one of arcans strongholds Okay, he's like well arcans not here and gone right now So i'm gonna go loot this dude's castle We'll get his stuff. He's like he's literally that the meme of the dude coming around the tree doing this. Yeah, exactly just like i'm about to Screw buddy screw buddy about to get all up in that booty, right?  He just gives up so Manfred weaker than rats. You heard it here first got him Okay Wow Yeah, so they don't explain it in any way like what was ultimately in there. It's obviously just a teaser for something I mean It's teased is obvious Scaven are coming Yeah, they make mention of a lot of the rats being dead, which is weird, but sure um All right So then we pick up dead. They've been are coming. Yeah Then we pick up with the main story and we actually pick up in media res With the oxy story and we pick up from luka vie's perspective remember her And mother of nightmares I mean, yeah, she's the head of the oven gory, right? Yes. Yes. Okay So she wakes up to can this is called the dawn bringers crusade, right? Uh-huh But luka vie is now our point of view character for this part of the story. Okay.  Yeah But here's the long and short of what's going on.  Okay Yep, I agree continue Randomly Sometime back she got she broached prince vorderize honor Okay, like she did something that violated vorderize honor I remember vorderize the head of the castelai Right. Yep, and he he gets around through the crimson keep Which teleports around the world around the planes, right? And so he was like my honor must be met beast And she's like fine. We'll have a showdown And so it turns out that the crimson keep like nobody knows where the crimson keep goes It just randomly pops around even they don't know where it's going to be next Except tom luckily Once every 107 years Way too long way too long of a time.  Okay Once every 107 years it pops up in this one particular spot all the time Okay, and so they decide that's where they're going to have their fight Yeah Okay, okay now tom wouldn't you believe it? Where do you think the dawn bringer crusade happened to be at that exact moment? Where the cat where the castle pops into existence?  It's like you're psychic, right? It's basically I have to write these things They they're they're basically like at the foothills of the mountains where the keep shows up And so they're marching by and remember neve and the black talons are still with them at this point, right? Yep And they sense all the vampires And they're like, well, we can't have vampires in our back. Let's go attack them. We'll clean out that nest right and So sheet neve takes a group of the dawn bringers like a crusade Goes off attacks the vampires kills a whole bunch of them wakes up lukavai lukas like what are you doing? I'm very angry bar and she goes and kills a whole bunch of people because it's just people getting killed like in mass Yeah, by these things And then she sees that they have one of the aquilists with them, you know what that you don't I mean You know a little floating thing you got in that terrain box. Yeah. Yep Yep Apparently this entire crusade has one of these things that's like actually the their main source of water Okay, I mean at least they provided us that rationale sure Like the size of this crusade there's an I don't care how much water this one thing is producing. It's not happening at any rate um So they she runs up cast a ritual turns it to blood pollutes the the aquifer Right, and then she just leaves She's like, okay.  You shouldn't have went and attacked them You polluted our water.  Their main source of water is now polluted. So Hardcore water rationing goes into effect. They start mar. They keep marching everybody's thirsty. Everybody's angry and There's a new leader that run that that comes to the fold named uh named thongest smold The name of a hero tom clearly Clearly thongest smold begins like he's the leader of the same people Okay, who are like your cult is dumb. Stop stealing the wheels off everybody. This has no purpose We need to go back to hammerhole Okay Finally someone with with just you know, that's rational. Yes. Yes This has failed Let's Stop it.  So now you have this splinter of that left, okay Yep And Zanes just like We're gonna fast forward. Yeah like Two bucks to the end and we'll find out that all of the dawn spirit bringer crusades failed except that dude Where they like stumbled on to a paradise, you know, because they're like one will fail one will succeed Like everybody gets wiped out with this dude who was like i'm out Yeah, yeah, so he leaves here's here's Zanastra's brilliant idea. She's like, okay Well, look the crimson keep appears in that place Because it's a nexus of a bunch of magical power So if we go there we can take that nexus of magical power and use it to purify all of our Water used to purify that necklace. Okay So she marches all of them the remaining people back around in a circle Back to these two realm gates basically on the mountain There's two realm gates there and then the crimson keep like this in the city. It was right above it She marches up into it and what comes out a bunch of ghosts Because all the people who lived in the city the keep the crimson keeps gone because only stays there for a day It only stays in any one location for 24 hours So it's gone.  We keep getting apocalypse and we don't know why Just leave Okay, and they're like no we're gonna take your magic.   Okay terrible Simply terrible Uh, so that's the end of that and that's literally the end of that story. That's it. That's all that happens Okay Like truly the oxy side Nothing happens. They get nowhere. They make no progress Uh, they do give you a thing where like um Thorgas smold nobody knows where his people are. They're just they're just They're they're like the missing legion. Nobody knows where they are Okay, and I'm like, well, I hope they're doing fine because they're the smart ones Um, there's a little thing with callus and toll still investigating and they're like I could put you and and the the the weird blind lady with the cat In that in that group of weirdos. Yeah, you know i'm talking about Yep She's like, well, I hear we're releasing with the next book. Maybe we can talk to A canite who has a lot of hair in her face and doesn't follow marathi And so like, okay, sure. So basically yeah, she's just like We should go talk to the character on the front of the next book Good idea hashtag foreshadowing.   What are you doing?  And he's like, ah, there's no need for your people anymore We will be taking over this blood game.  Basically, he likes the idea He thinks we should keep selling his madness in in hammer hall And so but he doesn't need nefi to be involved in this in any way shape or form and he outmaneuvered her The basic plot is he out? Yeah There you go. That's story time Wow, um I I mean the crusade is like this is just Lackluster That's my summary with regard to the actual story that's supposed to be being told which is the crusade It's like a thin veil for like here's fec now Yeah, yeah, it's watch all of these things we want to introduce into the world Kill everything kill the humans. That's it Uh Rocomet, so who won the duel vorderai or luca vai? I have no idea because they don't tell you that's not in the story Cool Cool, but they literally just be like she leaves And that's it They mentioned that a big group of blood knights got left behind Like when the crimson keep teleported after the fight and the blood knights were like All right.   It was just nothing it was At least the guy ranian story was like Kind of fun because you have these like funny characters bouncing around like kormane and stuff, you know and like Thorian is kind of an interesting character because she's like she is she's not a zealot or anything She's just trying to do best by her people.  She is actually like a relatively intelligent character She's just like she is put upon by the sycophaean impossible task, right? um And so like Yeah, that's that's that's what happens Nothing is basically what happens Tom we had a one pound shot going out of a two pound cannon here Like there's just there is not enough story for five or six books, right? That's what's coming down to Yep Okay, story time Let's move on here we go Uh, let's move on to pop Triumphant treachery Wanted to talk a little bit about this um, yeah, so There are full rules for triumphant treachery. Like it's not just new Battle plans. It does have the full triumphant treachery rules updated for third edition. It's pretty cool Like legitimately. I like this set of rules. I don't remember how different it is I'd have to go back and compare and contrast to the original Like so but it does it is that this is the one with like the shared like 50 command points total for the whole Each player has 50 cps for the whole game you just start with a big pile of 50 And you can spend a lot of bunch of different stuff doing ploys Doing your normal command points, you know, like it it all comes you can trade them to people, right? Like buy people off all that's in play, right? Like all the politics is here. You can buy people off have them not attack you, you know Do all sorts of different things, right? So all that's still there The battle plans are really cool There is four of them. Um, there's like the deployment is fun. There's like easy reserves for all players You don't have to have everything on the table all at once which is cool in a game Like in a normal table with four people. So it's not too packed in there, right? um The victory conditions are like a mix of kill points and objectives constantly The list of ploys are broken up by phase where you can spend your cp To do fun ploys and stuff Um, they're really cool. Like I it's a good list of ploys. It's actually like a Uh, like a pretty good long two page list of these things. Um, so they're fun Um, you don't have the uh, secret objective points, which I think you had the 2017 Uh, was part of how you scored your victory points in the 2017 version. Um That's not that's not present here It's just like there are objectives the objectives vary a lot. Actually, they're not just like it's two points on a field They're interesting. Like there are some are random some show up some are mobile. Like it's it's cool. They're they're quite varied Um, but it's just that and kill points those two things together Basically create uh, like you get one victory point for every 100 points you kill is what it comes down to Okay The game mastered version, which is like a like a sort of Like it's it's still trying for treachery, but it's sort of a separate play mode. Um is um A simpler battle plan But the trick is Nagash owns all your coins. Like he has all the coins hidden behind a screen So he knows how many cp each of you have So you're like blind betting your cp like you can pay somebody off But unless you have like keep very careful track, you don't know how many everybody has as they like you can remember at first But like quickly it's going to become untrackable as as coins are trading amongst players And the GM is like handing them out and moving and stuff like that and making decisions. That sort of thing, right? So, um, but that's just it's kind of a big free-for-all Um, you can Alan said how many points do you bring for trying for treachery? It varies you can you can play very points amounts You know like thousand two thousand points, but it's pretty cool.  Like it's the the maps are good. I like there's no battle tactics Obviously, you're just playing the game. You're using the fun plays. You're you know backstabbing people politicking with people. I mean It's cool Like have you gotten a game in by chance? No, I have not gotten a game in of the the new trimer treachery. I do want to try this at some point um Yeah, yeah, it is it is fully fleshed out Keith. Yes Like everything is here. It has the full The full end-to-end run like I said truly my only complaint with it is that you only got four battle plans instead of six Um, I would have loved to see a full six battle plans like I I don't know why we only got four, but you know all in all that's a pretty minor thing you could you could easily just like Make some variant scenarios, right? Well, I mean, it's likely Like there is an aspect of it where it is likely just Like exploratory Yeah I agree. Um But it's cool. Like if it's something that's ever interested in you interested you in any way To have this kind of triumphant treachery multiplayer experience. This book does give you everything you need to do it Uh, that's cool. Nice. Yeah So I I like that they rewrote the rules. It's full 3.0. It's full version of the game. Everything's included Bang bang. It's a good night of fun with you and your friends. So I'm here for it Uh, I'd say I I would I would highly recommend it. This comes with my enthusiastic stamp of approval Um, because it seems like really well designed and really nice. So yeah, good stuff All right, tom with that that short interlude over Uh on t&t Uh, let's talk about rules We're finally here. Hey, if you haven't hit like yet hit like for story time subscribe Do all those things everybody hit the things that make dings hit them buttons. It's cool. Be cool Be cool All right, so here we go First off tom we're gonna do the army of renown. I am excited about this army, tom I have not been this excited about an army of renown in a while I got I got I'm gonna I'm like I think I'm gonna build this army job Okay, which army this army the science of new new lamia. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the the bats and the bats and wolves and Yeah, this arm is terrible I am very excited about it. Okay This is just because you want 10 foot vampires. Yes I like painting.  Yeah This army is like yo dog. I heard you liked solo foot heroes We got you. All right. So what is the science of new lamia? Well, this is sekar's force So, uh, we'll talk about her in just a moment. We'll we'll actually look at her scroll Um, but you can only have the following units in your army dire wolves fel bats and vampire heroes with a wounds characteristic Of 12 or less That do not have a sub faction keyword Amazing amazing indeed Uh, okay So tom This is not actually a big list Okay, okay Uh, now what does that mean you can actually have? Well, obviously dire wolves and fel bats are self-explanatory Right. Yep. Yep. Okay What other options besides and then vampire lords, obviously we've got our vampire lord on foot right um and we um Or vampire heroes, sorry to be clear um We have ito cat cat cat chisar Or whatever his name is Um, he's legal because he does not have a um, he does not have a uh A keyword to him Interesting Oh, kato etch is our sorry. That's how you say is nato. Correct. Kato as as it as a chair as a chair Sure, kato But he is a vampire hero and he does not have any sub faction beyond So like ravelords Um, so that's cool Yeah Yeah, I like kato a lot. Yeah, absolutely. Um, sadly a lot of the fun ones that I would want to play um, like critza or lady anika or stuff like that all the interesting other foot vampires they are all um Vircos obviously. Yeah, right Yeah, but um, there is Um, a couple others that actually don't have word or don't have keywords Okay So do you know who prince duval is tom? Yeah, I do. Yeah, he's the the the The underworld's that's um Yep, the underworld's unit, which by the way, I love that unit. Like I think it's a great little uh Foot unit of vampires. Yep. He does not have a sub faction keyword Um, have you looked at his spell? He's really good. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool Right. Yep. Uh, but there's another one There's actually another really interesting one tom and I was surprised that this one did not have when I was looking through There's trying to build this There was another one that does not have a sub faction keyword and this actually surprised me. Okay Okay, uh, and that is the vengorian lord So not lukabye because she's a generic the generic vengorian lord. Yeah, the generic vengorian lord Is not does not have the oven gory keyword. He is just again vampire hero. So yeah, he is also a legal take because he only 10 woods so He fits in there Obviously everybody else like radicar and all of that, you know, they're all for your coast But that's your that's your list of options as far as vampires go So that's cool. Like that's actually kind of a fun little List of options in prince. So you'd have the underworld's warband. You'd have kato You'd have a vengorian lord and then some vampire lords on foot, right? Yeah, yeah, totally. So pretty cool Like I thought that was actually kind of a fun little List, honestly. Yeah Yeah, I like it I mean I think it is an interesting list That could be fun to paint up and put on the table Obviously, I don't know that it would be competitive, but I think it'd be fun Sure There is technically one other unit here That does work. Okay. Okay. I don't think I'd want it in my army, but there is one other one and and yes the I I guess technically, I don't know if it's one or two I don't know how to count it But the coven throne and the blood seeker palinquin Are both 12 wound models That don't have a type. So the the cut. Yes, exactly Like joshua and teagriff and both got here as well Because you can have them out. You just can't have more than 12 wounds Part of my problem with those is they're just both really really bad But technically they are valid for this so Um, yeah, so you could use them. Sure Yep I guess there you go. Those are your so Blood seeker palinquin coven throne regular vampire lord on foot Uh Cato Vangorian lord prince jubal. That's your legal list of people Okay Yeah, um So pretty cool So what do you get? All right all your vampire lord units gain the battlefield role So that specifically would be cato and Your regular vampire lords on foot and prince jubal. I think I'll have the actual vampire lord keyword the other ones. I don't think do Let me look here real quick. I don't know if the I don't know if the stupid palinquins do no They don't have the vampire lord keyword Okay You get a six up ward, of course You can pick three friendly summable units holy within 12 inches of your of one of your heroes Um, you can heal up to three wounds or return a number of slain models So that's obviously going to be your wolves and your bats, right? Uh, and you can get four total if you're, um Within other heroes, so that's fine. You can't pick the same ability more than once You get a new spell called grave call You pick one friendly science and you allow me a summable unit holy within range You can add d3 models to that unit which can take it above its starting size Pretty cool spell. So like getting d3 extra dire wolves because that's what you're going to use it on right um, and then The bock and all of blood you have like an ogre rule here where you're either blood thirsty or empowered So you either get plus one to attack If you're within three inches of an enemy or plus one to cast if you're more than three inches away I actually quite like that some of those units like the vengorian lord with plus one attack is actually pretty interesting Maybe even the coven throne could be you could do something. I don't know I mean plus one attack is a good good ability because it's to the whole profile Right tip to make the whole melee profile. I should say Okay, uh and then Uh demised by design you get these plots Okay at the start of your hero phase you can say that you're trying to attempt a plot Which we'll talk about in a second You have to tell your opponent which one you're doing and you can't do the same You can't attempt the same plot more than once per battle And if you complete the plot you get the the ability for the rest of the battle. So what are these plots? Okay, so you got four of them all right So uh thomic realignment you pick one friendly wizard It has to successfully cast two spells this hero phase that are not unbound Which gives you plus one to casting for the rest of the game You can pick one friendly unit and if it destroys an enemy unit that started the turn with five or more models You get one to the attacks characteristic of that unit's melee weapons for the rest of the game pretty pretty potent pretty cool Um a worthy vintage you pick one friendly unit. It must destroy an enemy hero or monster You get one to save rolls just period to all your saves for the rest that uh for the rest of the game And then the queen's prize you pick one friendly unit and it it must be contesting an objective you control That was controlled by your opponent at the start of your turn. So take an objective from somebody Basically do a bunch of the old easier battle tactics Okay And if you do so you get a cool reward and then that would make you count as double on objectives So pretty cool And then obviously I didn't say it but you can have sekkar in the army as well I didn't mention her but like duh. She's gonna be in the army. It's her army Of course Which I like her.  So I guess you can't Give this to sekkar if you make her your general or whatever Which is weird. I hate when they do these special armies Then don't write in the like unique also Thing what's the point of this if you're not doing that? So that's fine. But at the end of your movement phase, you can pick one destroyed friendly signs And let me assemble a unit or a die on a three up a replacement unit with half of the model from the destroyed unit Is added to your army the unit has to be set up to only within 12 of the general and more than three inch From line of units it cannot attempt to charge or make a pile and move in the same turn. So okay And you know standard stuff you get a much much weaker more balanced version of the dumb thing that the regular Soulblight can do Uh, and then because it only works on wolves and bats This is your only two options in this army not zombies and skeletons And it only works in your movement phase not in the enemy's turn Uh, and they still can't attempt to charge Uh, you get an artifact that gives you a five up ward while you're within three inches of a summonable unit Okay, fine, and then you have a grand strat and some battle tactics those exist Cool Good stuff Yeah, I like this one tom.   So cool It seems good to me Yeah, that's the army. What do you think of it overall like legitimately? I don't think this is competitive But what do you think? No? No, I would agree with that. I don't think that is competitive. I still think it would be fun though Like I think that it would be an interesting opportunity and I think that there could be a lot of Just fun play there It is an interesting It Like I like the it's funny as it sounds with as junk of a unit as they are Like, you know, like you think like oh, it's a limited army because it's just a bunch of like Stupid battle line and then, you know, you know, because it's not the standard what I would say battle line necessarily like you can't do like large units of it or whatever But I like all of those things I like bats. I like wolves, right? Those are actually really interesting techie battle line units Yep And so if you're wanting like vampires, uh, right now have a really good ability and hunger, right? So I think that they're like it's a good chassis to build something on Even if it's generally going to be in the weaker space Yeah, like I think something like launchy on the boat could do some heavy work in that army. Oh, sure Yeah, the boatman. Um, yeah the boatman just because he can ferry your Your vampire lords around wherever they need to be for combat Um, like he could pick up and drop off Um, kato or whoever right like deliver them into combat And so I think that there could be some fun, you know tech tech stuff there Again, it's not going to be like highly competitive, but I think it would be interesting Again, I agree. I like I need to paint up some more wolves. I don't have quite enough wolves because I want to do a couple units of wolves um But like I just think this would be a fun thing to put together so Uh, I might like just kind of erently work on this. I've got the the secar box set So I'll probably just crack that open get that painted. I think she's a cool model. Um, I don't love her hat, but she's neat Um, yeah, you're accidental. Um, you're accidental salt like rave lards or Yep, yep. Yep. You didn't get me a death thing. Tom. You got me knights You got me pertonian knights. You could have grabbed me a death thing You asked for me to grab something and I grabbed you something. I appreciate it All right, uh, you're a good man charlie brown. Um, okay So now let's talk regiments. Oh, sorry. Let's talk secar for a second because we do have her Sorry, then we'll talk the regiments. Yep.  Yeah, exactly.  I'm sorry everybody. Um, She is 160 points and, um, Obviously she trips everything sort of, uh, in the army. So that's cool and, uh, She, um, She has a little snake. She can use her that can use this little maw Which is not a hugely good ability honestly It once a game it does this thing And it can do some mortal wounds to everybody around her in a in a small radius And then she loses her she can only be hit on a five or six, which is a very potent ability. Um She does have a heck of a spell though. Um death's construction Yeah Basically she is casting five of six in range of 18 if successfully cast pick one enemy Unit within range and visible to the caster until your next hero phase that unit cannot pick this unit Or friendly units wholly within six inches of this unit as the target of spells prayers abilities or shooting attacks. So pretty cool She can basically make it so her and everybody near her can't be targeted by one enemy unit So that's fun Yeah, she's 160 points. So it's fine. Okay Uh, all right. Now let's talk about the actual Regiments of her now Okay Nefarada's royal echelon This is nefarada Five black knights 10 skeletons 10 skeletons All of these can only be taken By not their army So like all regiments, right like you can't take this in an sbg army So you have to have a death general And it can't be and you cannot have the soul by grave lords faction and then you can take this Okay, and that's going to be true for all of these going all the way along and Her royal echelon everybody shows up with a six of ward because they're undead Once her battle at the end of your battle shock phase if uh If I love how they say if the nefarada in this regiment of renown is on the battlefield It's a weird way to say that. I mean, I know that's what it is But like if nefi got it You can replace the battle tactic you picked at the start of your hero phase With a different eligible battle tactic if you do so you must pick a battle tactic that has not already been completed pretty good You can you can actually pick one tom that you tried and failed Yep Uh, this is a stupid ability like well Like I know that people are like making a big deal out of this. Sure uh, but The assumption is if you're picking one that you've already failed then you've already dropped points Of course, so it doesn't matter. You're not picking when you've already failed You're picking a different one that you actually like midway through the turn They've accomplished. Yeah, and you set yourself up like you just like what this does is it makes sure You get your second battle tactic or you get your battle tactic in the turn Because what you're actually doing is like well, I'll try for this one Which may not happen because of some bad role But I'll have in my pocket You know the the uh Intimidate the enemy Yep, right where I'm just out of my deployment zone. So I'm going to get that one automatically Right, but I don't have to burn that automatic one if I get the one that That's there So you can always just ride with the easy one as an ace up your sleeve Until you accidentally through some fluke of fate drop a battle tactic and then Ta-da you didn't you swap to it. Yeah Yep Right. I mean, that's how you're actually using this Yep It just makes sure that you definitely go five for five So that's that's good news for I mean, who would run this though? Again, it's like what 600 700 points of an army nefarada's mortar is 600 points Yep, so I mean, so who's running this? Maybe fec probably not um Maybe I mean, your only options are knight haunt fec and an obi an obi are Yeah, um I mean knight haunt wouldn't be terrible If I was a knight haunt, I think I'd take this Over the other ones Uh, I mean Again understanding. I hate these and don't think they should be taken. Yeah, but like from a personal level Like separating my own will from it. I think this is absolutely a straight upgrade for your knight haunt Because it gives you another option. It gives you it gives you a big monster Yep, it gives you another option to shut off ward saves Yep Because that's the third ability and it gives you battle tactic stuff Which is actually kind of hard to go five for five in knight haunt. They're like the one death army That's actually yeah somewhat hard to do this Yeah, and I mean it's giving you black knights are great screens um death rattle are also decent screens and um I don't know. I mean it it it's fine It's fine I think it could be part of an of a pretty competitive knight haunt list. That's what I'll say It's fine is what I would say. Okay. Um Yeah Yeah I don't mean it It's probably the most interesting one Okay It's probably the most competitive one Yeah, and here's the thing tom as always It's the cheapest one Of course Of course like of course it is Just like with endless spells any time we get a new jank ability that's gonna like like this opens up corner shooting angle shooting Weird play right? It's got weird new abilities in it that we haven't seen in the game so far So why not put it the cheapest thing? Of course every time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they may just not know how to point it. Sure Uh, all right next up the summer king's entourage Uh, usher on 10 crypt guard and three morbeg knights Uh, so ward of six up Add one of the attacks characteristic of melee weapons used by Units in this regiment of renown while they're wholly within 12 inches of usher on In this regiment of renown real good ability Yeah And Summon deluded throngs the anti-movement phase of usher on in this regiment Uh, it's not on the battlefield You can pick one serfs or knights unit in this regiment of renown It's been destroyed and add a replacement unit identical to that unit in your army Replacement units must be set up fully within six inches of the battlefield edge and more than nine inches from all enemy units He's destroyed unit can only be replaced once so he can replace the grip guard once he can replace the Morbeg knights once So pretty cool Uh, obviously this one. Oh by the way points wise Uh, this one is 670 points But you do get big papa ushi in it who is a powerhouse piece on his own Yep, and he's he's very survivable. He is indeed I mean like honestly He doesn't super need His army To be good. So first of all he's showing up as a war master general Even in this whatever army you've put it in Okay The He can't use his epicenter of delusion in this army. Yeah Because he only gets that in a flesh eater courts army. Okay Yep Which means he's not gaining noble deep points either right because he doesn't have access to that thing correct.   So like he's still bringing all of that to the table Um, I don't know. It's this is actually a pretty interesting combination to me Uh Because of just how potent usher on is a piece Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with that. Um I don't have my book here. I'd want to look at The crypt guard and their plus one ward if that's only flesh eater court units Oh, what do the what do the crypt guard actually saying you're saying? Yeah Because that could be really I mean if they're if they're like if it's friendly units I'm assuming they got the rule But if it's friendly units they could actually augment the ward saved then of other death Uh, I will say I legitimately don't know and I mean, I would assume that they didn't make that mistake when writing the but um If they didn't that could be a real interesting Um, the worst roles aren't on the website anymore Yeah, I don't think like they're not in the I don't think they're in the app yet either They're not Yeah, and I don't have my fec book at hand. So I can't Uh Yeah, I can't say anyways we can move on and all uh, That's fine. Either way, I think this one's interesting. It's probably most interesting I mean again, I hate to say it, but it's probably most interesting in night haunt Um, just because it gives you like night haunts has problems, right?  Okay, there you go. Um is the wording. So yeah, so that is accurate Although that I mean that does mean that they are bringing it obviously to to usher on Yes, um in this even even with the weird spacing. Yep The stern east garrison Sure, why not take a shot of that Okay, so the stern east garrison is manfred 10 grave guard three fell bats three fell bats Okay, cool. Yep Everybody gets a water six up. Everybody gets plus one attacks Uh, add one to the attacks here just weapons used by units in this regiment around that were set up in the same turn Okay So when you're set up you get plus one attacks and then at the start of your hero phase You can pick one unit in this regiment or now that is more than three inches from all of my units Remove that unit from the battlefield and set it up again more than six inches From all item units that unit cannot move in the following movement phase.  Is they're slow. They're slow. That's right. You know what the best thing about this thing is Teleporting them and then giving them six inch charges with plus one attacks Yeah Yeah, this is like This is real good. Sure Sure. Um, I mean, I would definitely feel this What do you so this one's 630 points by the way Um, what do you put in this in? night on Okay, just night on or you can't say anything else. Um Oh, I would put it in fec. Absolutely The problem with heavy or not Yeah, the problem with fec is that you don't have good screen throwaway units Like you just don't have them in fec at all Because everything is like a bajillion points. Everything's 140 or more generally And that's for like 130 for a three wound, you know, our three model unit 140 for a 10 model unit and then other than otherwise 160 And so those bats are wonderful mobility objective grabbers and screens like if you need them to And the fact that you could do that with them and then have the Um, have the the Grave guard is this like teleporting alpha army Our alpha like support unit is delightful Um, and manford's nothing to joke at right like manford has wonderful tools. Yes. He's a very tricky piece. Absolutely He doesn't do his automatic teleport out of combat anymore. He would not get his war master in this in your other forces um, because his war master is is Uh pinned on being in a sole blight grave lords army. They don't always use the same wording template for this Usurans, they don't use that wording. It's just usurans is always a A general no war master. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas manfred specifically says if he's in a sole blight grave lords army I don't know why well that That doesn't matter to me like that wouldn't hurt my feelings like he would still be able to do his job And again in either a night haunt or a um, you know, actually I really like him in an army because Um, this thing because it brings mortal wounds Into your fec army and that's something that you don't have Uh, oh, yeah, you're saying through the grave guard choppy chops. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also through manford's spell He has a pretty good pretty good mortal wound spell. It's fine. I mean, it's okay. Yeah, sure But I mean, he's generally less afraid to be up and in the mix, right? Like he right, right Yeah, hunger does a lot of work. Sure. Indeed. Sure Do yeah, um Yes, he does. Yes, he does. Um, yeah, I quite like, uh, both uh, or I like I quite like, um His more than I think I like nefrotas Even though nefrotas is like powerful from the tactic standpoint Um, I really like what he's doing And I like what this like how this augments some of the weaknesses we find at epi Sure, I get that Yeah, I mean being able to just hurl those 10 dudes in the combat depending on how you pick your fights They they there might not be a counter punch that comes and hits them right, um And the key is the only thing that's like stopping their teleport is Being within three inches of an enemy unit, right? So if they'd murder a unit Yeah, and like nobody comes to reprise them You just do it again Yeah, right And it doesn't like there's no distance. He could be, you know, manford could be on the other side of the table And he can flip them around. There's no there's no distance for that, right? Right and if you don't like here's the reality is that's fine Let's say they get bogged down in the combat Manford can teleport anywhere and engage at six inches Sure. Yeah, and like he's not a terrible combat beast, right? Yeah, he can do that to himself. Yes Absolutely. Yeah So pretty cool stuff. Meanwhile, you just use the bats to like screen off and make sure that like you don't actually get charged Yeah, because the bats are so fast, right? You just like run them into a position where they're they're actually charged Well, they're like move in charge of a lot of people from coming and getting in Yes, they can charge block And they can go grab objectives lightly started objectives. Sure. Absolutely Yeah, I like that one a lot. Okay The litch's hand Uh arc and the black mortar of sacrament to more guest Archi to more guest harbingers So, uh, you get four of the the angel guys. Okay, cool. Cool Yeah, the things that are already a problem in the meta go on Sure. Well, you can get four of them. This is the most expensive one at 750 points Yeah, okay Yep Everybody here gets a six up ward And then you can roll a dice each time a friendly unit in this regiment of renown is affected by a spell Cast by an enemy unit or the abilities of an endless spell summoned by an enemy unit on a two plus Ignore the effect of that spell or the effects of that endless spells abilities on that unit pretty cool. So, uh Hey Do you like null myriad but wish you could have it in other other people's armies? Now you have magic proof murder machines that also shut off commands if they're Near you Pretty good because that's what more guys do.  These guys are really scary um So, yeah, it's funny when I look at this. I'm like, hmm.  That sounds great. Yeah Well, you remember with like the morgas archive. They also can give them they also can end up tripping into strike first Yeah, um, if they charge on an eight plus Uh, both of these guys just shut off all commands if they're within three inches of the unit like the unit Cannot receive commands in any phase Yeah, yeah And so like If the enemy doesn't have a lot of shooting These guys are going to do some dirty business because they can't get brought down by magic They're more than a match for most things in melee So pretty good Pretty pretty good I agree. There's another one where like I could easily see it slipping into knight haunt very easily I could see it slipping into um What I want to say into into fec um I'm legitimately not even like I'm legitimately of the mind that you might even be able to build a sole blight list Where the where this thing is is attractive to some degree depending on what you're what else is in your list Um, just because you might be able to like Swarm and then shut off commands and just like use that to win your sort of attrition game more quickly Yeah, and uh funny story, um the knight haunt debuffs on Uh wood if you're reducing armor would apply to these guys that Funny story. I mean, I think these dudes rock in knight haunt. There is no doubt This is like super super duper good in knight haunt Um Yeah So there you go Okay, cool. Yeah Uh sions of the necropolis Cachacros more tarka than necropolis three immortus guard three immortus guard It's a war to six up enemy models that have a wound's characteristic of three or less Cannot contest objectives while they're within six inches of any models in this regiment of renown Can can we talk about the fact that oh, I guess multiple Let's say can we talk about the fact that obr got multiple ones of these but I guess so lighted too Well, they have two two two bosses. I know so I know that's that's how it works Uh Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say about this one except It's strong and full of very strong units Like This one is 750 points, so it's tied with archon for you know, they're it's tied for the most expensive Both of the bone daddy ones are expensive Uh, you know, these guys sure they shield for catacross not that it matters very much, but um These guys have the fight twice thing on them the immortus guard do Yeah, okay You know, they're three up base save making Three attacks at three threes minus two two Yeah, they're a pretty solid Unit and catacross is obviously a house Now again What is he actually getting here?  Yep, right. Yep The uh His heel his like heel other units that he can do is not limited to him being in a obr army Fascinating Um, he just gets to do it Uh, so that's cool Um He what what's the wording on it? Is a lot of wording, but in your hero phase you can pick up to three friendly oscarc bone reaper's units only within blah blah blah Yeah And it's if it's if it's an immortus guard unit, which it is Then you heal the thing and so on and so forth. It's the new wording potentially whatever like blah blah blah Uh, he brings his plus one attack Command ability for his For his guys. It would only affect his guys, but it's there um And he can also use his like plus one to hit plus one to save commands still like neither of those were there He still gets his spy master.  Yeah Now the downside is that's a bunch of dudes walking around the board at five inches Yeah Right, but I mean the discount is is real here, right? Like he alone is normally 500 points And so you're literally getting one of those Uh, uh, immortals guards basically free. Sure. Sure And like that bulwark is really strong Against some of us. It's only enemy models But it is within six inches Which is what matters because if they're sitting, you know in the if they're in the near the middle of the objective Yeah, it doesn't matter that it's models because they've now hit the entire radius You know, that's the problem with like everybody like I was all excited about the brute ability to shut off one and two wound capture for models But it's only within three everybody just Moves away from them and then still caps the thing Right. Yeah The difference between that ability at six inches and three inches and also that ability being on three wound models instead of just one or two is huge Yeah There are like a decent number of armies where this just shuts off these guys Floating around just shut off your ability to capture and these are not easy models to lift Yeah, it's interesting. Um, I wonder if Like how much of a nightmare or something like this would be in like a souplight zombie army Mm-hmm Because you're already just bodies and meat Yeah, sure 100% and souplight Zombies skeletons dire wolves. I take any of it You just surround these guys with summable units and sit them near the center of objectives Okay, can your vampire army take one? Can the army of renown Take a regiment of renown of a different army I think so Hmm Because the I think so let me look at the rules for regiments. I think the answer is yes Because technically these would be considered allies and I don't think that you can bring in allies in a regiment or an army of renown, right? Or do these replace are these separate from allies? I'm trying to find the specific rules For the regiments, I mean No, they replace allies. They like you don't have an allies list with yes, I understand that but like I wonder if um The way the wording may be of like your army may only contain X numbers of units may restrict it from including these types of things. Exactly. That's that's what I'm not sure about Yeah Here we go. Okay Regiments of renown allies uh depending on general's keyword Uh, all units in the regiment gain that they have to your regiment army if there's a value Wow, you have to be in the battalion I mean, there's nothing in these core rules here that says you can't That's interesting You just like the sas to satisfy the criteria You couldn't take either of the spg ones, right? Because you are still the the science of new law I'm still a uh an spg army. So boy. Yeah. Yeah So you but you could take this one or the whatever the obr The two obr ones the fec one or the knight haul one. I think That's interesting just from like an objective holding standpoint. Sure Like yes objective holding is a problem with for bats and Like wolves to a lesser degree, but when you throw something like this in the mix with a bunch of foot vamps Might be an interesting uh alternative I agree Okay Uh, and then lastly the sorrow mourn choir Uh, so this one is 630 points This is lady oliander 10 dread scythe heritans four banshees four banshees Uh, you get a six upward in addition You can retreat and still charge in the same turn You ignore modifiers positive and negative for stay rolls attacks that blah blah blah. You're ethereal. Okay. Got it. Yep Yep, you're an ethereal knight haul unit check on that And then harvesters of sorrow in the battle shock phase enemy units Uh cannot issue or receive commands while they're within three inches of any units in this regiment or now In addition, if you make an unmodified charge roll of eight plus for unit in this regiment or now The strike first applies the fact applies to that unit until the end of the turn Which normally I would be pretty hot on the difference is it's real hard to remove the morgast It is not real hard to remove four banshees Or 10 dread scythe heritans.  I'm sorry. Go ahead Right. No, that's true. Um, what I would say is that I like I'm not as hot on Like if you'll remember, uh, heritans do debuff To wound right like they do bring a wound debuff with them and Honestly, if we didn't have primal dice, I would be like way more hot on banshees Um, because it provides um a potential solution to things like the croak croak nato And stuff like that because it's a bite at those additional the you know above and beyond unbinds Yep, uh to shut the spell off completely Um, which is an interesting, you know, if it's hitting any of the units in that range um And so I like I would be way more interested in this as a supplementary Like you set of units uh, if it If it was not If we were not in primal dice world. Sure. Sure No, that's fair Because the the spell eater ability of the banshees is just it's just a friendly unit nearby so like that that That spell eating works for no matter who they who you would bring this you like army into Um and and uh Olander has some decent moral wounds, right? Like she has what she can do some more wins So I don't hate her that like her that as a tool for her um Yeah I I just don't know. What do you put this in? Like what what army wants this time? That's my question zombies I don't know man. I don't think I want to dilute my my soul play with this. Like I'm not sure what I'm getting I'd rather have more summonable units. I can call back if I'm not going to get something hardcore that like They can like I can picture the obr one because those ridiculous monsters Like sitting in the middle of You know a wall of of resummonable flesh Making it so basically all the objectives are just like capture proof To many enemies Yep, uh is like pretty strong Uh these girls I like okay I so the irony the irony being like Uh the gas here it can actually just be purchased for 180 points as allies Just buy two you like just buy add two units of banshee That's the thing that's interesting to me The like olander is fine I don't know that she's really bringing anything to another army. Although, you know what actually now that I think about it Let me double check this real quick. I can actually think of a use of her. Okay Let me verify this Yep Oh, nope Never mind Um what I was going to say is her grief stricken spell was like a minus one plus one hit to hit And if it was a generic plus one to hit I was going to say it could be a wonderful boon in fec Who's like on four pluses a lot of four pluses. Yeah Yeah, and so I was like maybe maybe her plus one to hit spell could actually solve that problem But it only affects knight haunt you right right the plus one to hit Um and in light of that it's trash. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it's the loser I really yeah, I just I Funny knight haunt not doing so well adding knight haunt into another army Still not doing so well. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's it's not complicated, right? And her war master obviously doesn't function if you add her to, um Uh It's other or a death armies either. Yeah, exactly Exactly All right. Well, there you go. And that's like all the rules. That's that's them's the rules Um, I think it's a pretty fun wacky army of renown It's kind of that honestly, it's the kind of armies for now. I'd like to see Like I just kind of like stuff like that um I I think that Armies of renown will let you go in really weird directions and play really strange Games with your with your army construction are like the point of that thing Uh more than anything else So just can I answer a question real quick? Allen Wesley said but you can't bring extra allies with I understand that My point is don't bring don't get this. Yeah, just bring just take banshees as allies Right. Just spend 180 points of allies and you get the most of the gas that's out of this Without the additional 400 points of trash. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yep. Yep. Good clarification Okay, good. Well, there you go everybody. Hey, that's dawn bringers four Uh a story of continued a slow continued death march into pointlessness for our protagonists as we Meet some wacky characters along the way In the vast wastelands that are apparently teaming with random allies we keep bumping into And a really cool triumphant treachery section and some interesting options in the rules That I think we will see people utilizing for sure So this will be this will be real interesting to see people Like I'm gonna be watching do people try these things out? There we go Uh Bronu said I feel we still need tom's more general opinion on fec. All right, tom I'm gonna give you two minutes here at the end. Give me your general opinion on fec right now Can I make an observation before I go into general opinion on that? Sure Uh the night haunt one was 6 30 6 30. Yeah, correct Funny story where obr was gaining a free 250 point unit. Yeah, sure You're paying more You're paying 30 points more for the regiment than it would be to buy these individual units out huh These units added up are 600 points and is 6 30 for the regiment. Well, that feels weird. Okay So it feels like a miss. Yeah, that definitely feels like a miss It like this regiment should be 450 points not 6 30, right? Yeah, sorry. Anyways, okay. Yeah, let's talk about uh generic fec What I'll say is this I think it's really strong. I think that there's a lot of good options Right now. I think that um particularly the arch region is maybe a little bit undercosted As it currently exists But I think that it is an amazingly versatile army That if you don't remove pieces Strategically and in the order that they need to be removed you're going to end up um Like fighting a losing battle against Against Just bodies as they put things back on the table Um, I've ran this in two events already. Uh, both of the events had cleared me using the new book ahead of time I didn't use models that hadn't been released. I take that back I did use one model that hadn't been released. I used core main in my one-day air I did my I did a one-day rtt You know 14 15 or 14 people I think And I won that with my fec 2000 points and then vince and I went to holy wars And it doubles event took a thousand, you know a thousand points. Um, I think there's a you know We had a 500 point sideboard And uh, we took second. So, um, I think fec is really strong I think usher on is an interesting piece. Um, Uh, depending on where points go, I think that it is going to be quite, um It's very possible to run armies without is what I would Sure. Um Uh about the noble deeds, uh point handbrake. Um Like noble deeds in general I think on your abhorrence, it's usually pretty easy to get them through either casting or praying or sitting in the chair And I think on your courtiers, it's often really hard to get them for because they Just don't make points very easily It was one of the things that I warned people about like when everybody is losing their mom out like, oh You know, like the general task master and you're going to be putting tons of units, you know Tons of models back in the units and Not fully. Um, the challenge that you have is that earning points on courtiers is actually like remarkably difficult Unless you're using either the horror hero or the vargulf if the vargulf is going into To its offer if he can find the right targets, he can get him. He can get himself to six pretty fast Yeah, if he finds the right target until auto six And actually the horror hero reliably gets to six for me He's a five attack hero if two of those attacks wound He jumps immediately to six, right? Um, and so he's a wonderful Like I ran him in my one-day air list and I loved him I loved him loved him loved him because the um, the crypt flares are wonderful delivery tools for him Initially, I wasn't as warm on crypt flares until I ran a big pack of six of them at the one at the holy wars And um, and they could do some work. Um, I mean vince you got to basically play alongside him for two days What were your thoughts on fec just watched him in action? Yeah, they're fine. I mean certainly if the crypt flair core ta manages to pull off his his kill and turns on their two damage Um, they become like way scarier though as we saw in multiple games That is sometimes tough to pull off just because you don't have the targets. He can actually kill with his little four shooting attacks Um, you know, it ends up Incentivizing you to use like you're all out of tack in a weird way because you end up using it on the four attacks Just to try to pray to get one wound through because mathematically it does work out better Um, you know, you weren't dumping a bunch to refill models You were generally though able to recall units off your abhorrent if you needed to always always and and actually for the rgt That's what I found more than anything. Like I ran Um, and just literally like he lived on the throne like I deployed him on that throne at the beginning of the game In my 2000 point games and he never moved. He never moved. He never did anything. He just sat on that throne And because like he was never a threat. He was way out of the way So in order to go after him you'd have to commit to him and in general There was no actual like tactical play for that because of where I would often put the throne And that wasn't my grandstrap. So there was just no never any like reason to really chase him down Um, and so the consequence was I always had him by generally turn three He was always on six 60 points and ready to bring a unit back So I always had a unit ready to be brought back by turn three without like without worrying about anybody else's point investigators Which was like a huge boom um so, uh Yeah, I mean what I would say is uh, brinew it it's the feeding frenzy is fine What to me was the bigger deal? Is the four plus to hit? Like having a bunch of your units all on four plus is like really crippling like it's really really difficult for that arm and so it's something that It's something that I don't Like I I think that the army against some matchups, especially that can like broadcast large auras of mag one to hit Um, I think it's going to be a problem. Like I think fec will struggle to punch through those armies Um, that said, uh throwing a fully buffed horror unit at like I feel competent just throwing a fully buffed horror unit at anything Um, like I threw a fully buffed horror unit at uh at a broad at the top of one And with his full up war his full words and everything and Um, and he and they tore it down like they they were supplemented from first some from some mortal wounds From some more beg that came in right? but But they put broad in the ground at the top of one. So I really really like Uh, uh horrors right now where they're at. Um, and so But that's really swinging if I'm depending on rolling them rolling ones and weight and letting You know again anyways 50 approximately against four plus save that unit will do 56 to 58 damage Um, and so it's it's it's you know, it's fairly it's fairly reliable. Um Yeah, uh That's where that's how I feel about uh fec. I think it's strong. I think it's not it's not broken I think it definitely has some counters. Um, I'm interested to see uh potential some potential uh gristle gore lists When points inevitably come down on the monsters because they definitely need to come down on the monsters. Sure Um, there are 50 or more points over over costed right now So when that happens, I think that there could be some interesting lists that we'll see uh out there in the meta But yeah, that's where I'm at Nice very good. 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