Order first item on our agenda is public comment And so this is comment that is for items that is not already on our Existing agenda. It's something that would be an addition We always have time for public comment See you know comments. This is for something. That's not on the agenda. Yes, sir, and your name My name's Betsy race Betsy, what would you like to tell us? I would like to thank you for coming to the Meeting in East Randolph and having a special meeting with the architect And showing your support all of you being there For the community hall, obviously, it's an amazing awesome project I've had a meeting since then with Trini and we've with the commit and also with the committee and we've come up with a plan going forward And I want to tell you a couple of the pieces that we want to be able to discuss with you on your next agenda Is this appropriate place to do it? I think if it's not gonna be too long. Yeah, no, it won't be long Parking was something that came up at the meeting and we have Got in contact with two owners. One of them is interested in Working out something for us to have parking so that's something we need to discuss with the select board The other thing is We're going to be going through all the options that were in the proposals estimates and bringing to you What as a committee we think we can support and help move forward and So we'll need some time for that and then It looks like are we going to be hiring in our next engineer and I We have two avenues for that and we want to discuss that with you Can we get on the agenda for next month I Don't see why not Okay, it's not not what I don't put items directly on the agenda It's usually the chair of the time manager, but I don't see why that would be a problem One more thing. I want all of you boys to know. Sorry. It's my age All of the select board to know is that's a sign for welcome to East Randolph is on its way up And we the firemen were there and helped With getting a framework in and we've got a little bit more to do and it should go up in a couple weeks should be finished And we'll invite you to it for that historical moment Thank you for your comment. Thanks for taking the time to be with us this evening and With that, there's no other public comment. We won't move on to approval of the agenda I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. So moved second Favors And move on to our public hearing this is our best of dog and With do we still not have Milo here? Usually when we do such a hearing we'll start out with a report from the animal control officer I can fill in the outline in terms of how we get here Milo has some other Interactivity that she'd be better able to describe but I can at least sort of set the stage as to how we get here So we received a report This would be a dog attacking another dog on Maple Street We received this last week setting in motion the hearing process that's outlined for us in the ordinance and in statute And so we've we've got that report we sent a letter to the dog's owner notifying them of this event when the hearing would be Set this up. And so it goes the specific incident reported to us in the email occurred around 8 a.m. On the 30th of July a Dog bit another dog on the leg And we was reported that the the other dog required some emergency care and stitches My dog was walking one dog came off a property Or came really close to the edge of a property and get the other dog We've also had other people supply us with materials before the hearing what you had in your packets included something from the postmaster About incidents that he had involving a dog at the property we heard Today from the dog's owners you have that in terms of their perspective and what they've done And then we heard from two other folks in the area about Instances that they described with the dog biting I believe in each case in one case there was a bite on a Person I'm reading this right. Yes on a person in this was but this occurred Real quick from the email dates Looks like April of 2021 And been reported at that time through the methods that get to us at least and some other concerns that are It's ongoing Trevor for me. I may interrupt you from a moment. So we have the complaint which Instigated this hearing right and we have other now reports of previous incidents But is it my understanding is that none of those incidents were reported to the town until Right now not that I'm aware of no that's come up through the hearing process that we've been evaded It's kicking off What you guys do per the ordinance and statute So so these other reference these other incidents that you're referring to Are or have been described Since this hearing has been announced. Yes. Yeah, and that's when all this has come in. Yep So similar to when we did one in June. We had the primary Complaints that you were considering and some other people provided context for their encounters during the hearing And so folks have submitted that stuff In lieu of or instead of or in addition to participating tonight Or any of these Ones that we have now older than your tenure here. I The one where somebody got bit would be about concurrent to when I arrived and then I think the Postmaster's one might actually predate me based on the conversation. I had with him and what he wrote down So that's before April of 21 And I guess he reported it There's a postal service process for reporting these types of things, but that doesn't tie in in any way to what we do so we wouldn't Wouldn't have known it wouldn't necessarily have kicked off our process to ours starts with a formal written complaint It's sort of how it's structured. I can be handwritten email and And are we we certain that this is all these instance are referring to the same? I think it might be as part of the conversation drilling at that a little bit So I'm just reference a dog some reference a dog by name. So it might be figuring out With the formal complaint Which of the dogs, you know just verifying that I believe there's a dog named Jack's and somebody can correct me If I'm wrong from getting the dog named Trump Through this on the fly a little bit. So yeah And then the other ones don't always reference which dog or even provide a description. So we just a dog at the property I think that's everything that's you've been given I would encourage you at this point to try to To get any context or incident specific stuff or dog owner specific stuff I think we've got everyone here represented in some form Maybe goes through that part of the process to try to draw out Any questions you might have unless or until we get maybe Milo. I just texted her son. Okay Okay So would it be appropriate at this time to see if there's an Additional verbal testimony people. Yeah, I think the way to maybe structure and it follows what we did in June would be at this point If Abigail pumps is anywhere here or online right there. Okay? That's our complainant. So we usually start there have them provide a description Of what happened answer any questions you might have and then we go to the dogs owners Usually, I don't know where the teams in the back row there So then there'd be questions for them and at that point you could open up to anybody else who might be in there and wants to provide Some sort of statement or testimony is the way it's described in the ordinance and other places And then you could do a question section That's really just for you to drill out anything that you have remaining and at that point figure out if you're ready to Deliberate and decide on an action Thank you So the incident didn't happen to me It happened to Brian, so I wrote the complaint on Brian, so he might be a better person Everything that you just read was accurate 8 a.m. on July 30th. We were out for a walk. We were on the road or the sidewalk both the dog and I and Small brown dog I assume his name is Jax from my sense came running across the yard onto the sidewalk and Aggressively was aggressively postured and then I pulled on my dog Pull him away and Jax reached out and bit him on his back leg It was biting through the skin and drawing blood and that point I Was shouting and yelling at Jax and Yelling to the people in the house who I couldn't see And Leaning over my dog to where this other dog was biting my dog As I got close he let go and backed off and we moved into the street and away from him I waited there in the street and No one came to the door. No one came out We moved them back towards our house. We definitely need to go to the vet. That's our dog's name and and As we moved out of sight of the house, I heard the door open came back and said Excuse me. Hello.   I'm paraphrasing. I don't know her exact words, but that was Essence of what she said. I don't remember the rest of our conversation. It was very amenable And then we did go to the vet for emergency proceedings about an hour and a half later He needed three staples and Had to be subdued for that and We sent the bill to candy and she promptly paid it That's about the essence of our experience In terms of that I didn't see the incident As soon as I was aware that Jax was barking I came out and Brian was at the edge of our property And by the edge Sidewalk goes below the street, but that's where it was the edge of our property and we discussed it I apologize profusely. I told him that we were going to be moving Jax to the back So this wouldn't happen because he was very protective of dogs walking going on the sidewalk. That's true We have an electric fence That's maybe 12 to 15 feet from the sidewalk that he had never gone through until he made And it happened I think was a gentleman next to Brian there was the first time it ever happened I thought maybe the battery was was had gone, but the battery still tested. I put a new battery in And everything was okay until until this happened. I believe that in my anxiety over Jax getting out and taking off them taking off the Collars several times and trying to test it around I might have lengthened Lengthened the collar because for the dog watch Technician came on Monday. He said it was it was losing so that perhaps Jax wasn't getting wasn't getting a shot So it was a real shock a real shock to both of us after a year and a half of no issues for him to To get out.  He's from New York And we ride this Monday couldn't get here sooner and he has he's put two lines in the backyard and We've also purchased a heavy-duty collar for Jax Which instead of like zapping him like most of these collars do it really hurts him But he said that they just don't go through that In the event that the worst happened and he did go through it We still have the line we still have the line of flight pole in the line at the at the sidewalk. So It's very difficult to imagine that he would get out. They can't see that the road from where they are It's just a behind the house where the line is and it's a double line that they have kind of goes in a loop So if he went out through one go through the other But Jax doesn't like pain He's never until I say it until his collar man male puncture. He's never never tested it That's why this was so shocking to me. I feel horrible about it We've done what we can you know, it's I wish we could just immediately have gotten the guy here to fix everything But but it takes a while. He's He lost his partner and he's doing it by himself. So it took a while to get him yet But he's we went through everything We've tested everything. He's taught me how to make sure that the thing is tight enough And as I say it had been working and I think I probably loosened it I was so panicky after the first time and I think it was May That I was taking it off I was testing it and I was fooling around with the transformer in the garage, which I think made it worse So We are where we're at I you know, so they'll stay in the backyard. They'll stay in the backyard. They can't even see the street I'm really sorry all this happened. It wasn't something that we were casual about Jax was a rescue from South Carolina we the the biting came last spring after we first gotten them and And I don't even know that he was angry when he did it I was seemed like he was just trying to get attention. He bit me a couple times never broke the skin It was more like a puppy nip But he was still a puppy and we've broken him of that habit We've had people in our working at our house since Mother's Day.  We were able to stop that I don't know how to stop the dog the dogs on the sidewalk Which though for us the only possible solution was to make sure that they could never leave the backyard So did you say you you got Jax this past spring? A year in March 21 or something And we had to wait a month to get the invisible fencing so we got away from me a couple times In March and April of 21 You know, he's the best dog and Anyway, but when we saw we've got that saw And they're as they say quite shocking that he's he's left but it's my knowledge after Jax On this one you got out a couple a couple days later when I was taking the reshuffle in the house and the door wasn't quite closed So anyway, I think we're on top of it I don't think it's gonna happen again if it did then obviously we have to consider Whether we're gonna keep Jax in the village or not, you know, but he's certainly safe with people and If he doesn't see the dogs walking on the sidewalk, he should be okay It's not that if Lucy's not around he doesn't do this Lucy is a sweet beagle who barks and she barks if Jax has bonded It's like his mother and he bonded with me So, you know with Jax if Lucy barks and Jax gets upset.  She's a beagle. Yeah, but she doesn't live at your house. Yeah. Yeah She does a second. Yes. Oh, it's a set. Let's see it. She's like six and Jax, you know Has bonded with her and if Lucy barks Jax gets upset, you know We've got a bar collar for Lucy thinking in while that worked and Jax didn't get upset But then the if-nail function did it but several times just buzzed Lucy even when she wasn't doing anything So we could continue using it But that's the source of it, you know Anyway, I think this will work We have a very strong very strong fence That they're not going to get through I'm really sorry it happened. I told them I'm sorry. I tried to reach out to them on Messenger, but I didn't get a response So I told me I'm clear So you're saying that since you've had this work done and this technician at your home that from from that point on The dogs are both dogs are only let out through the back door, right? and they're basically they're they're Enclosed in the backyard space, which is completely surrounded. Yes, and that They're they can't get to the front yard anymore where there's been issues in the past Nope Any other comment from this public just real quick Hey, when Pat had asked me about the timing I went back and looked at the postmaster He described it as about a year ago so we can say probably summer of last year, so it would have Been within my tenure, but was reported through the postal services process for the stuff It was reported he said he reported it through there. They have an internal process, but it wasn't reported From town to us through that process. There's no necessarily contact now Yeah Rescued year ago Was very abused and all that and she's real Friendly and my wife and I were out and would walk down the hospital We would come up with it And then we because I mean anything to it But because we had heard that the mailbox had to be moved to the outside the street because it attacked Postman We heard from the neighbor across the street that She was bit nipped by him and that he broke through the Defense, so we always become the damn Wiggett Street and go across near Robin's house and walk on the other side of the street because we knew that sometimes he could break through Now we're found out why and it makes sense But it was we would know that and when Jack come around we always talked to him my dog loved him We would see him on the side fence because he has fences up the side and and and the Lucy is a really sweet dog and so that Whenever Jack would run back and forth in the driveway and bark and really mean the hair on the back of his neck was standing up so knowing that he did break through and Bit of Robin and we were told that Fit the postman. That's why the mailbox had to be moved from the house to the street and Knowing all you know the different things that has happened. We walked on the other side of the street that particular night Maybe it was one of the nights when the collar was loose but we were coming up Wiggett Street and my wife and I were walking is he on the leash and Jacks and Jack came around and got out on to Wiggett Street That's what really scared us because he came around and grabbed my dog on the block right on the back side and I yelled screen to yell back and Made him go back into the house And then this king came out and she says oh it never happened before and I said You did say that you said it never happened before but yet I knew that it got the mailman and I know it broke and we've got Of Robin so that's what really made us upset and so There was a stick laying there and I picked up the stick and Mrs. King said to me it's not helping that dog yelling that he was a stick me and I said I was trying to protect him in case He came back after easy myself on the white I wanted something to be able to it was just a small stick of the way in her yard But that's the thing that happened She didn't say if it was any bill that she would take care of it But if my concern was I know that there's a little there's a neighbor next door who walks her Son and I was so afraid that it got out and hit and Attack this two-year-old. It was I was worried about a child and and my dog is okay, but it's Will not walk down that street now We have to go through the parking lot at the hospital and she keeps looking down there and she's scared She's afraid it keeps looking over there and will not walk down a maple Street anymore She's afraid and then after Lincoln got attacked and that maybe when the collar wasn't put on There was a lady who her mother just passed her name is Jenny Jenny Carpenter her mother just passed a couple of days ago and she's dealing with the funeral today That's why she couldn't be here, but her little dog named Jelly bean got attacked after this one happened and happened to Lincoln So really scared me that a child was going to be attacked You know because I know that it went after Robin and it went after the mailman. So that was my concern You don't let me get when you're in when your incident was I Robin thinks it was in the middle of June. We think it was June It was the first time that he broke through the fence If I might say when he got Robin was the first in the first weeks after we got him over a year and a half So we're talking a year ago, June. Yes, he got Robin. He didn't break the skin, but he nipped her And we the fence wasn't even up here. We were just we've just gotten them And that's when that happened and the postmaster was last was last I think late spring early summer And he was still like occasionally nipping people which he doesn't do anymore But but he did but as I say it was never angry when he did it he just Was like he was getting attention but because of that we moved, you know We moved the the post off the boys box down with the road. So really wouldn't have to deal with it Nobody else coming on our lawn is has ever had a problem In the last year And now let me tell you we've had we've had everybody Working on our house and it hasn't been an issue, but it's true He's gonna it was the first time that he got out with the fence was with the gentleman over there and And he did with with Lincoln and he did with the with Jenny Carpenter Didn't bite the dog But he did he was I'm sure very scary when he ran out like that, but the dog was okay. Nothing didn't happen And the day was about two days before the dog watch people able to come here So, you know usually when he's out I'm around Even an eye on things Yeah, but At two points that there was another incident where I heard that this lady had two dogs and it came out That one went back came back and bit another dog. I don't know who it was But that was probably me that he didn't bite my dogs. He didn't bite came out. He did not bite my dogs No, okay. No, were you gonna talk to me? Oh, I was okay. All right And that was and the other thing I want to say is that we are dog lovers. I don't want to see the dog I don't want any of that happen in there have to get rid of it as long as It sounds like the fence is cool But if you know if had if need be maybe a leash because our dog is always on a leash You know even in our driveway and we sit out there while she's out there because you know Look for somebody driving the driveway. My wife's really Really can protect it. Well fact you've been that today our cats got cancer as well.  Can you get a little doll it's just Can you hear comment up in neck? Other comment from the public what I'm wondering if there's any other comment from the public So I just want to say Um, you know, I'm sorry It's awful, and I'm sorry that you guys are going through with this job. That's awful, too. Um, I I've had so many dogs run at me before like it's really honestly not uncommon So I don't want you guys to feel like Japs is an anomaly or something. It happens a lot But I think that it can oftentimes be really stressful for it's ears and scare to live in such a high-populated area And that, you know having so many people and dogs walking by might be too much for Japs And maybe he would be happier in a more viral environment. I know that's hard to think about But he seems like he's probably a really sweet dog And but there's a lot of a lot of traffic on people street Well, the people walking don't bother him Cars don't bother him It's a dog walking mostly on our side of the street And if Lucy is there, if Lucy is there bar too. Yes, and we have a lot of dogs Yeah, we do there's a lot of dogs I mean, I'm going to say I've had dogs run out of electric fences. Yeah a lot of times Yes, that's why we got the heavy-duty the heavy-duty Collar which he didn't want to sell us because he's very strong But that's why we did that. Yeah I think the hard part is as long as the collar was working. He'd never gone through. Yeah I think the hard part is though when a dog's really focused on something even with a shock If they're really focused, they'll go and You know I Just would think that maybe for Japs sake you guys should think about maybe trying to find a normal home for him. I Know it's hard But yeah, and then as far as the board, I mean Maybe it's a little bit off topic, but I don't feel safe electric fences in town limits. I Have Lots of places I walk by where there's electric fences and dogs come right to the edge and they bark and they look like they want to get at you and It makes me pretty nervous because it takes a slit second for them to run through that fence You know even and I have two dogs We're very very friendly, but I also worry about how they would react to another dog Coming up running at us and if they engage and decide that they need to protect themselves on me And we have a three dogfight or a four dog fight It could be it could be really dangerous And Luckily, maybe I'll talk about it.  I think you just came out when he ran to you So But I'm afraid if he had bit one of my dogs that My two very powerful dogs versus 20 pound Jax it would have put my dogs in a pretty bad situation too so What was your I'm sorry and catch the name just for the hearing if you could Megan okay Sir any other I'd like to also In the same vein as what Megan was saying that Even if Jax can't be re-homed Moved to a more rural location there's still visibility between the backyard and Wiggett Street and When Jax was in the front yard running back and forth it was Clear that he was agitated that he was Aggressive as he was running back and forth even if he wasn't able to cross the line when the fence was active And working for him It was provoking anxiety in the dog And so having him not be exposed to that would be the best thing for Jax and ways to have him not be exposed to that would be I mean obviously re-homing him is a sad thought for someone who's bonded with him the best one possibility Short of that making it so that he cannot see people or dogs that would provoke his anxiety It would be that next level. Like a solid fence like a solid fence or a visual fence and A vision blocking fence along Wiggett Street and along that back corner where that last Edge of your property is would reduce his anxiety make him less aggressive and help to Not provoke that response in Jax I also would like for there to be something physical that would keep him from moving from the backyard to the front yard It's for safety's sake and my point is it got a beautiful yard It's a huge backyard and I was hoping that There would be a fence from the corner of their home some beautiful home beautiful yard Have a fence from the corner of their house over to Wiggett Street from the corner of the house over to doctor of Ken Boris house because I think it's fenced in every other place and That might be a good idea if you didn't see us But even if it was a fence that you couldn't get through Because I'm still concerned that if we walk well my dog will no longer walk down Maple Street She is petrified. So we have to cut through South Street when we go around the hospital She keeps looking back and she's scared. Hopefully someday she'll get over it, but but if He can break maybe he can't break through this one, but if he does Who knows, you know, it could hurt another dog or a child That's it. Thank you. Is there any other comment from the public? May I? Yeah Everyone has mentioned I'm questioning your home Everyone has mentioned management techniques and they're always a great idea. I was wondering I If you are willing or interested in training, please reach out to me I am I am very willing and hopefully to assist with the dog if you really so I just wanted to because training can help put one more barrier up so that this does not be deep as And we don't have to talk about the whole meaning. It doesn't get to that Thank you See seeing no additional comment from the public I would entertain a motion to go into the group session I think if you guys are agree, we'll just for the crowd here the crowd online if the four of us So yeah, so just for the public to understand what we're doing in situations like these the board is has the authority to enter into what's called a deliberative session where we can have a private conversation and sort of talk amongst ourselves about what we think are the appropriate remedies to the issue at hand and then we will come back and And announce our decision and take a vote. I believe in in public when we're done I don't think this is going to be a terribly long Session so if people want to wait that'd be great, but no one's under under any obligation to stay either so with that We'll go to your office. Yeah So we'll call the meeting back to order Before I forget I just I'd like to thank everybody who's here. I've had a comment to So just say how appreciative I am of the very sort of calm constructive and Low-key conversation that we're having because these things often can be very emotional for a lot for good reasons But we're we're keeping a very calm and that's really wonderful really really helps So thank you all for for for being that way for us so we we have come out of our deliberative session and What I'm going to do is I'm going to describe sort of our use the word remedy for lack of a better term and and then Once we get that sort of set in as as we described in our meeting We will have a formal vote on that remedy And then we'll conclude our hearing So what we just what we did on discussed was that? As as as some people mentioned in in in our previous discussion We are not a hundred percent convinced that We'll come to sure Confident that electric fence is going to keep the dog out a hundred percent of the time So so we would like you to Install a fence And that fence can be as big or as small as as you need it to be in terms of the area It does it goes around but we would like you to put in a fence from the place in the backyard where you release the dogs So that they haven't enclosed physically enclosed area We'd like that fence to be four feet high But and besides that it's it's really up to you what what that fence looks like in terms of Materials in terms of whether you can see through it or not is really your your call, but we think that given the our discomfort with having an electric fence knowing that dogs can run through them at least in rare instances and Given the history of the dog with with with its aggressive behavior towards other dogs We feel like we have to have a new closed area. That's physically separated from the public and And so then the timing of that is also up to you, but between now and when the fence is installed You will need to keep the dogs on leashes when they're outside Is there any did I cover everything you did? and The time is up to them to a certain extent, right? That's right. So you you you you couldn't Put in the fence, you know at at your discretion in terms of the timing But but until the fence is in place you need to keep the dogs on leashes and so I guess I entertain a motion to Move that for me to say up to to move that description. Yeah, move that motion Second you have that description down well Trevor. Yep All in favor hi motion passes and And I feel obligated to just also say that This is this is about this there there are when we go through this process there are There's actions that the board can take to ensure the safety of the public from from dogs That have the history of biting And we are now and we are now operating under the authority that we have Given a first incident if there is a second incident We have a lot more latitude in terms of what we can do and It's and it's not It's not places that we want to go so I'm very hopeful that Won't be seeing you again in front of the select board and with that we will conclude our public hearing Do we need to have a vote to come out of this hearing or we're just done? I think you just closed as the chair you just closed the hearing and Okay, so the here here is closed and we'll move on to the next time in our agenda Thank you all for coming to this part of the meeting. You are welcome to stay for the rest of our meeting We have all sorts of exciting things to talk about if you feel like you need to go we won't be terribly insulted Okay, we'll move on to the consent calendar Motion to approve can have one correction. Yes Line 59 on July 14th minutes, I think there should be a second there and then the ball Okay, see you guys tonight. Thank you for coming Okay. Yeah, there should be a second there and a ball. Yep With that one correction that's very Close you're close you scrutinized it. Okay. I just made the motion Okay, so we're good now. Yes Was there a motion? I might have missed it. I made the motion. I second any second at all favor. Hi. Hi motion passes Move on to our business part of our meeting Instead of saying property tax rates for the school year 23 Good Dennis with us. I think he's Dennis is on board representing the Lister's and is I'll take the quick run through That's kind of the worksheet that we use to separate So you'll notice that the first thing we do is we take the About to be raised by taxes for the general fund Which is the general the highway and the library that number comes directly from the amount that was voted on budgets for at the last time meeting and Then we add in all of the special appropriations that were voted on to come up with a number that we need to raise Budget and we divide that by the Grand list and that's how we get the municipal tax We do a similar thing with the police district tax rate We take the amount that was voted on at town meeting to be raised by taxes and divide that by the police district grand list and come up with that rate and Then we have a third one which is the local agreement tax rate this one's a little harder to understand but We raise money to pay education taxes for a couple of different reasons one the town Randolph has voted for several years to make the Randolph senior center tax exempt and we have the authority to Not tax them from municipal taxes, but we still have they still have to pay the education tax So we have to raise the money from the rest of the town to pay the education tax So we take their assessed value and their grandest value of $1555 times the non the resident rate to come up with that figure Which is $2,400 And then the veterans Folks that are found eligible for a veteran's deduction Automatically get a $10,000 tax exemption from the state For the education portion, and we do the same Randolph years ago has voted to increase that to $40,000 which is the max you can do So the additional $30,000 that we tax exempt the state doesn't so we have to raise the education tax for the $30,000 on those properties at the residential rate Just so you know we had 34 eligible properties This last year, I think we had 32 year before The folks had an exemption for so that amount We have to raise in taxes is 15,700 So those are the three different tax rates That the list here's in the assessor are proposing be established Then there's a couple more sheets. They're just for your information. There's a summary of The FY 2020 tax rates Does it break down between the homestead if you're living in your house and playing as your homestead as opposed to a non-residential use? both for the town and the police district and then the last page is a comparison of The tax rates for the last this year as opposed to the last three years If you have any questions And result is the total taxes down a little bit for everybody Part of that's because the legislature put more money in And it's also with the with the education tax part We're under a new formula, right? It is here and so that formula was beneficial to our district in terms of how the change From last year happened sometimes have seen an increase, but we actually saw a small decrease to me That's it You gotta pay the bills right now does the math I'll move to approve the Tax rates as presented by the listors for fiscal year 2023. I'll second that Thank you Dennis You like to or me I can do a little bit. Yeah, you do a little bit. Yeah, this was added by request. I think Here you got a similar set of calls as we've had before the the crux of the concern It seems to be in a section of Main Street between Say the little green gazebo area headed up Toward merchants row but really in front of sort of the I guess be the northern end of that block toward the gazebo where people are It appears that people who live in the apartments above some of those buildings are parking in the front in those public spaces Overnight for extended durations, whatever it might be Those are intended to be more cyclical in nature and those tenants are supposed to be parking in some other areas Such on the other side of that building block or you've got the town lot not too far away either For which there aren't those time related concerns and so some of the merchants on that have raised that concern with us And what it really boils down to we've we've At one point I think a sheriff deputy went up and knocked on doors and asked him to to move their vehicles that had been there for a while One of the things that highlighted for us and this came up a little bit with the public assembly conversation last time is that we've got Some of our ordinances are dated and they hinder enforcement in this case. It would be cleaner to update the ordinance clarify What's supposed to be in that area for how long make the signage match? And then it makes a little easier for the sheriffs folks to enforce that ordinance to maybe gain better compliance So really the takeaway at the simplest level is to get into that ordinance updated I think there are references to Randolph Village fire department. There might be a few other I mean Sorry Maybe a few others that would be worth cleaning up to and the signage in the New ordinances are a little inconsistent in their timeline. So it's just that kind of cleanup puts us in a better spot to maybe enforce The rules that we've already intended to have in place That should hopefully alleviate some of that in addition to Trying to continue some of the communication pieces that have already happened such as they we got to get these folks to park Where they need to or where they're supposed to I should say there is parking for these units elsewhere Because I understand I don't know if I missed anything You know the merchants are Struggling, you know Saturday morning, you know Hair appointments and things like that people are having to park further up the street to walk down to the barber shop or the beauty salon and so it's it's a you know, it's a problem and You know, they they have made efforts apparently on their own to ask People to you know, not park there during that period of time But that's they just smile at them walk away So I think we don't have enough teeth in the ordinance right now to be able to tell somebody but we need to get that kind of Stuff in there so that no different than a winter, you know parking band and stuff like that You know, you tow a few people a couple times and after that they pay attention So I think we need to get this cleaned up and support the merchants here and get this thing buttoned up Are the complaints that you've heard overnight complaints during the day?  Yeah, you know, they're not shopping great It could be somebody that's there overnight blustering the day. Yeah, I think that's what's going on It's the tenants is what they we all believe it's you know It's the majority of the tenants that are in those spaces above those units Get out a way to write the ordinance to discourage this so we can yeah, and you know whether we You know the conversation came up also about you know, well, maybe we need to have parking here, you know I'm I'm not you know I think the parking meters left because the merchants didn't want parking meters years ago, but they felt it discouraged You know business but now maybe that parking meters might be appropriate and then somebody You know wanted to validate a parking there's a lot of digital stuff now that you can do the parking meters I think could benefit the businesses. So I don't know Yeah, try what you want to try. I'm agreeable to start with the ordinances and Tell a few people some research and see what works for other places. Yeah, I'm sure we're not the only no The alleged it's having this kind of issue. No, this is a This is a continual push-pull Yeah, I mean Montpelier has parking meters Woodstock has parking meters You know, I mean I know that for a fact and I think that you know There's other communities that put all these new high-tech parking years in So maybe that's the solution you can go on an app and if somebody wants to validate your parking You can do it and bang it's over and they can still you know, that might be a benefit to their business. I don't know but Trevor said he could get us some information about the cost of those type of things and Montpelier just went through this So using that household connection. It's the combination of the newer smart meters class I think they use a park mobile app. The meters have a little number on them So somebody going into the beauty salon say it could go in and say I'm at you know meter Or you can take a picture of them in meter 1163 Okay, well, we just added your appointments for an hour and we just added an hour to that Nobody has to go back out to the meter. They could do it. Oh, that's an interesting because the whole point of the meters from an app Really, it's not about collecting money. It's about it's about keeping people from parking there longer Unnecessary amount so that they're not in the way of And the more we tend to some of those digital the easier it'll make it actually on the accounting end too We don't need somebody to go and empty the meters Maybe as frequently and there's some things that if you did go that route with our current footprint. It might be a little easier Because of some of the tech otherwise We're gonna hit a chemo safety vest in a bucket Other duties as assigned So the area I'm talking about too is basically Main Street and probably merchants row and not across the tracks That doesn't seem to be an issue over there. It's basically Main Street. Yeah, and we're sure it makes sense. So Yeah, the ordinance certainly is the thing we can do In relatively quickly now it's kind of a nice time if you're gonna get under the hood of the parking ordinance We can maybe do some of the winter parking clean up some other things Hit them all at once by the time you get through presuming everything goes relatively smoothly The ordinance will be effective just in time To be truly useful during a winter parking situation too, so it's Probably on the right edge of the wave So we look forward to continuing this conversation. Yeah Do we have some points from the winter? from the winter we've had a little push pull it's less from the merchants then and more from Town crew town crew really in terms of the cleanup stuff and and that's a little clearer in terms of the capacity to tell and And the different options you can get to that and we did remove some vehicles last winter and These were some folks that were fairly chronic in this and That was the deterrent Moving forward so it Didn't take it lightly, but it certainly did work So that we think we can look at some kind of ordinance proposal next meeting. Yeah. Yeah, we can maybe look at proven Yeah All right, so let's move on update on request to formally name Randolph Union high school access road We said we would loop back around on this phone and we are we still have to figure out some of the E9 and 1 and addressing types of concerns and just clarify the process since it's Not a private drive in the sense. We've always thought of it. It's not a public access And it's just creating the time and space to be able to Answer some of those questions. So we didn't make it as far as we'd hoped but Yeah, we are still I was thinking some more about this whole situation and it seems like it Because I just you know drive by there all the time and it seems like I could see where it would be actually Functional to have like a street name where you turn into where the parking lots are there. Yeah, so that you can give directions But I'm wondering if if the street really could just be from 66 from Central Street to the start of the parking lot and so it's like a 200 foot long Street But that's one of the questions to clarify is or does it continue around and come back out on Forestry? Yeah, because the original interpretation that was going to continue around and come back out And if you did that there were some parcels that you wouldn't think that would get renumbered would suddenly be on the new road Renumbered as I understood the 91 It just seems like we would we would get all the things we want by having just be a really short stretch without any of the negative Complexities, yeah, and we were thinking even it might even have to be as short as what to the where the maintenance barn is So they may have to Readdress, you know the the blue building that sits behind the supervisor But that's all Yeah, like no Serious like like slightly that's the remedy just long enough so that it's a street and that's and that's it So it doesn't affect anything else Yeah, yeah, I mean if we can make it three inches long that would be fine Maybe I have a feeling there might be some minimum. That's bigger than that I think I don't know what the what the statute is. Well MUTC just the signage rules keep changing to get bigger So we may want we have to go Yeah, the road start needs to be longer than the sign It's not a public street and Not in the sense that it's a town Owned or maintained or state owner maintained It's public in the sense that it serves the school public access private access. So it's a private access to public facility These things cleaned up years ago Huh, I mean why we didn't we do that when we built the road? Okay, nobody thought of that Someone even think of it. This is where the buses are going It's never too late to have a good idea. All right update from the energy committee. Mr. Der I'm suspecting. That's why you're here. That is why I'm here But first I'd like to say how impressed I were with the dog owners and how considerate and thoughtful they were and The selects for a response so well done But that's not why I'm here The energy committee was here but nine months ago And unlike the first time We sent you You have it A week ago Because treating said one day is not enough I like the size of the font too. Yeah, I increase the font. I do this without my glasses. It's good So from that meeting From top Tom Ayers Said we would like an education event around the climate Solution Act Climate action plan ultimately leading to the laws that were passed and Not passed so on June 4th Because of COVID we had a zoom meeting which actually worked out Better Pat was there For it and we had senator perchlich from the Transportation Committee Senate talk about Transportation of course And he actually appreciated being invited to talk about And and then we had senator McDonald to talk about energy and In particular the clean Energy standard that failed by one vote From passing it was very controversial. I haven't figured it out. Yes And the other thing We took away from that first meeting is that The select board is interested in saving money on energy and town buildings and reducing use of fossil fuels Which takes us to Where we're going we work particularly with the Bethel energy Committee which has the support of their Of their select board Also or connect well we've just recently and They say said we were particularly with Rochester and so We're we're beginning to pull Rochester in it and then always the standard Brain tree and Brookfield and I've talked to all of the leaders of those they're all Interested, but we haven't had a meeting We brought other reasons we could have but we didn't and at some point in time we want to get The new energy coordinator from two rivers Steven Bauer Has left for a different job. They've hired two new people, but they always figured out what to do exactly With them yet, but eventually we will get one. We don't know what that will be So what we want to do is get Well, I'll tell you what I would ask of this like a board the town manager named three Energy-related projects you would like to see see die an easy one like the fluorescent Light drop in LEDs a medium one like some town building you would want Considered and a monster one which I take is Chandler That is going to be so expensive so complicated But there are grants big big grants out there and I've spent a lot of time finding out where the where those grants are and We've talked to a lot of other people about that Grants And it's really teamwork's job to write the great that is their job. That's what they get money from the state to write those Grants and so On the status of h518 which is particularly Relevant youth of youth folks It's it's got several names it's the energy Resiliency zone or something like that Act and it passed But it's now up in a one of the departments of Vermont the Supplies Department of Public Services or something similar to that and they're trying to figure out how to Implement and then the money comes but we want to get a head start on that We can we can bring in efficiency from on trying to walk through and you get 90% What you get so when that money comes forward, you know, we want to go With you with the town and get moving on this and then we want And do this with all the towns, you know I'm sure other towns will have different priorities on what they want done and and and analyze and And then at some point we'll talk to your representative This will probably take a few months Hopefully the last and then report back to the respective towns, you know, what our findings are great especially like the three levels of project yeah, yeah sees Most people will tell you there's a lot of money out there, but There's a lot of projects big projects out of them So whoever is in there first like a particularly big one like Chandler He's going to get the lion's share of money Chandler being energy efficient, there's two things I see here. Okay, so Chandler trying to get Chandler energy efficient. I think is an official thing for everybody in the community And then we sit on a landfill down here, which is a preferred site for solar So in my mind, we ought to be using that to do this over here So however you guys can put that together Would be wonderful. So that could be your big project Because you've got 80 some odd acres down the landfill and I think the majority of it is suited for solar so It seems like there's enough solar panels there to create enough electricity to offset and that's where we want to get to But we just want to start a project for now This is this it has to go on for three four or five years It's really a long that's why I want the easy one, you know up up front yesterday there was a meeting at VTC it's still called VTC by VCRD and They had a panel up there and there is a man from Not Monterey. Anyhow, he had gone through all of this an example of their accomplishment they needed a Montgomery Montgomery they needed a 50 million dollar new subject system They got 13 million out of it out of grants by knowing What they're doing basically and I want to look to those kind of folks and have we hired a new energy Yep started Monday, what's his name? Mark Rossobo. Yeah, right there. I think he's still on That this all sounds really really promising. Yes Exciting. Yeah. So next up on our agenda is to consider the grant application from the Kimball library for the annual interlibrary loan Courier subsidy Application I said application twice there. Can I have 10 more seconds? Yes. Can I have a follow-up question for Gary? This is the report in the Herald After the June 4th I Education event We've got a draft RFP done but with Steven coming over to join us his in room and joining Woodstock as a staffer and We're a multitude of vacancies. It's That's as far as we've got. Yeah, so it's we're still looking to doing that. We have a draft it mentions And there's some flexibility in it But it mentions at least the town office the library and we could either insert Chandler If we wanted to do that level the other big energy user we have is the wastewater treatment facility So we thought actually we might do the audit based around those other buildings The Chandler to be its own animal with its own pathway Kim will be in part of the other Yeah, yeah, so we could do all those three together Okay But it's really a matter of just swapping I'm out the scope is roughly the same either way It just might be a different type of evaluation historic performance space versus Whatever type of plant sequential batch reactor, whatever that is But it's different different needs and uses We get some butts and seats we get them trained out Turn that one back on and can keep them there and keep them Yeah, we're gonna duct tape mark. Don't worry about the duct tape in your office We're gonna duct tape people with your seats from now on. I thought we're just gonna lock the doors Alrighty, right by very grand. I think Amy's on right Amy. I thought I saw you. Yeah, I'm here. Hey mark. Welcome to the Town team. I had no idea you've been hired. So Well, thank you Nice to see you Do you want me to wax poetic about how important this grant is or is the select one happy to go ahead and approve our application? Annually for the past So it's pretty much the same thing we've done in the past right nothing new Perfect, so I'll make a motion to Move forward with this green application Second, I'll just pause and say the only problem is that tree is not here to complain About the size of the ground Overhead and stuff. So I feel like I have to do that Because she's not here But I propose that you also move to approve acceptance of the grant so I don't need to take up more of your time I'm acceptance along with so make the motion to be approval of the application Acceptance. Oh, absolutely. Now. We're doing it one shot. Okay. I'm gonna second that one to pop. Thanks for correcting me on that Okay, we have a motion a second all in favor. I Thank you, Amy. Thanks, Amy Formalizing the paving bid award. This is as we sent the analysis back Before June and it was right went away But we tried to take the three different bits that we got make them as equivalent as possible Come for the recommendation for awards. You've got the list of candidates in the packet. It's Quite a bit of linear footage of paving will be doing in multiple areas throughout town It's all inch and a half shim and overlay pike industries after doing that analysis They were the apparent low bidder coming out of it Took a little process took a look at the outcomes try to make everything equivalent still looks like it's pike We've got a not to exceed motion of 455 Their bedsheets indicated 452 our analysis showed 434 435 ish Part of the reason for that is we might because it's staffing capacity and other issues We want to make sure we can get Earl Street in there And then we also may need their help if they can reset some of those storm water risers and other things that we may Not have the human capacity to do at the moment that allows us some we able to do that That still fits within where we thought we'd be in terms of the initial response And so it's just formalizing what you've already seen and the idea we've already had and if We keep moving forward. We should see mid-september to late September as the As the actual project day where we'd see people in town And start paving and we'll try to do our best with some of them being high-trafford carriers Do our best with notice advance once we get a schedule and in Main Street's really the big the big one but I always chuckle when this happens because We're here, you know, you just hear people complaining about the roads But they also complain about it when they come to pay the roads And then after we pay we get the speeding complaints exactly Can't have it all but yeah, so this is this is quite a few in two sections East Bethel Earl Main Maple Prince Salisbury School in South Pleasant, so it covers quite a bit next year. I want to Yeah Trevor what caused the the waves in the Main Street just the big trucks? I think it's a combination of yeah traffic over the years General wear and tear usually the writing is travel patterns plus travel weights travel volumes all those things kind of coming Thaws spring thaw freestyle cycles that we studied tires. Yeah, I don't remember No me either, but it's but it's been a while. So it's starting to wear and break down You know it's so that under structure I think in the springtime is when you've got a majority that happening But also there I notice there's a lot of set of tire rats Yeah, you've got you can see where you're down through at least one layer and headed into in some places And doing it we won't certainly save enough to offset any of the costs to do what we're doing But this gets us a good way to having a great surface to maintain until the state does it in Could be about five years out where there's a larger one that they might do that's the useful life of this type of treatment type Gonna make it a lot easier to plow to salt to sweep Right now with that rutting and you know how to do that can't sweep while you can't salt You know basically it melts and then pools and then you've got a refreeze issue and So this should really on all those roads, but in Main Street particular really facilitates and Some safer ride quality in addition to a smoother Experience for folks. It sounds like there's really nothing we can do differently I don't know if you I'm not even sure if you took it all up change the sub base change the mix I don't know we're not in the long run. I don't know that you get there Yeah, I mean when it's other towns are experiencing the same thing in their high-traffic arrays, and I see it all the time And what's what's this section of South Pleasant Street is this length cover? This would essentially come from Main Street down whatever that lineage linear footage to be down I think about where maple comes out maybe or where there's a pavement seam just beyond it So before it really turns into Beanville Just like crest of the hill maybe yeah, I think it's really bad through there. Yeah, I think it gets just past Yeah, fair of you right fair of you. Yeah, I was the one I couldn't think yeah No, it's pretty pretty bad down through there. I'd say hit that with the truck Yes Yeah, okay, okay I'll move to approve the bed from pike for painting Ramsey after many years of Diligent and faithful service has decided not to continue as the town's representative to the two rivers out of quichy regional commission So she is stepping away from that role Chris Sargent who'd expressed interest at some other point prior Has expressed interest in filling in you've got application materials from him Currently without a representative as a result that Ramsey ended up her last meeting was the last one T-Rork had Maybe done an announcement asking for candidates or not No, these are just people. We knew we're interested. There have been prior conversations So if you wanted to stick a pin in it so we could do that we can I just think I kind of should ask if there's anybody interested make it public that they were position I'm sorry. I was actually looking at you work. This is letter. Yeah Okay, I was I just think if we haven't at Ramsey just recently resigned and we haven't made it known that she's resigned And I just think we should you know open it up to the public at large and Just for a month and see if anybody steps up and said oh, I'd like to do that pretty unlikely, but And it's all sense of fairness right and I I would ordinarily agree with you right off. Mm-hmm However, have you seen Chris's letter? I know Chris It's hard to imagine you used to work there, right? So yeah, yeah, I mean I'm I'm just saying it's like I'm fine with anything you we all agree to do Okay If you're willing to relent slightly Yeah, no problem. I'm just saying the wrinkle whether we have had a procedure in the past So I'm just saying you know should we keep that or not The wrinkle tonight is because there's three of you all three of you have to agree on everything in order for it to Be balanced I'll move to approve Chris sergeant as To the rivers out of Coochie region planning Commission member sure also I can favor the administrator With Mark joining the team as of Monday There is no longer a need for an interim zoning administrator Saddened as that interim Really sad I do I feel I feel all torn up and Mark has done a great job already jumping in and trying to grab some of these pieces This role, you know when Josh had it they've been combined. They're combined for now So we're just essentially making that formal that piece of the duties So recommendation is there is to point Mark as the zoning administrator. I'm certainly there to to help out we were talking today about a subdivision-related question that came in for example, so For whatever it's worth and whatever I picked up it's certainly there and available But this restores us to that and then there's a little plug in there, too I think one of the things to talk about during the budget process both with the committee and with the board is Should those roles be kept together should we come up with some other kind of framework for the zoning piece in particular? So that the economic development piece can focus on economic and community development activities the things that Can take up a line share the time and maybe the zoning can go into some other form There are different ways we could end up slicing that out everything from When I found a part time like a 20-hour zoning mister I think that's the hardest avenue to walk in terms of actually filling a position. Yeah We could look at a shared Full-time zoning administrator. We know we've got some Naming towns that have their own sort of part-time situations. I haven't talked to them We also know that Norwich for example is in a similar boat. So there might be other creative Collaborations out there where we make one full-time slot, but it's shared between two communities Or we could also take that zoning administrator and either plug it into a planning and zoning administrator that sometimes have or we could Talked about sort of a code enforcement official. I think Heartland has this Position where it's the zoning piece, but we combine a few other things, you know with it from E9 and 1 to zone to sign officer to Even maybe make them a deputy or a full-health officer if you want to so then this person Does all of the regulatory pieces? I could see the advantage of that in the chain and that would actually I think if I had to Put in the the initial early plug that might be the model that Fits our needs the best and really could jump us ahead if we could find somebody to fill it Jump us ahead in terms of the provision of service and and how to answer The stuff that comes in in an effective manner. So it's just a little plug We've got some time to think through those things obviously, but I think if we were to look at sort of how we're constructed Taking that off. It maximizes what we can get out of both pieces That's similar to what we had when we had Marty here. Yeah, Marty was you know town engineer slash zoning administrator But Marty was part-time and Marty was part-time correct. So this is that kind of filled that really well convenient Yeah, so this would be an expansion of our labor force potentially. Yeah, but I probably fill some needed areas not well I'm right. Yeah needed for sure, but you know, it's it's always about money Yeah, well, so that's just a decision tax rate just went down There you go necessarily being expansion from what we used to know You mean before before Marty with Marty with Marty. No, I'm saying but Marty was a part-time employee, right? We're talking about a full-time position But handling some other duties. So I don't know. Yeah, maybe so I think it's I'm not saying it's a deal breaker I'm just pointing out that it's it's you know, it's we would be considering enlarging the town staff by Small no, I mean initially you'd had some reservations about economic development is only being the same person Yeah, you still have those same ones. Yeah. Yeah Trevor was I Think alluding to that I think it's a little bit. It does help that your advocate and your regulator or split apart Yeah, in small towns, you don't always have that much. Yeah, I'm just cuz you don't have the body You don't have the depth but I do know I you know from previous conversations I've had with Josh, you know prior to his departure, you know zoning was You know was hampering his ability to meet the needs of the economic development side of things and you know Some of that was you know ability to write grants and you know do that kind of stuff for us that we need it So, you know, that was really stretching him thin it's so it's a little bit like I Most think of zoning is like this flood event, you know, it's gonna happen every so often So it'll be really quiet and fit inside a nice little box And so you can focus on the other activities and then when the rain event occurs and the water overwhelms Becomes what you do for that week or whatever it is and then that cycle repeats itself. So over the course of the year It's maybe not a ton of hours. It's just you can't ever fully predict the flow like I got back from the week away and It was relatively quiet the week before when I got back there were seven applications in the queue A lot of questions and a lot of questions and it was yeah And then the week after there, I don't think anybody submitted anything or we have one new application one question So, you know So it's really about it's a little bit about splitting those two pieces a little bit about trying to maximize everybody's ability So that if we want we really want to commit to that community and economic development Position to make the most of it. Let's set that person free to do that. I really do think it would improve our level of Service overall if we can combine some of these other things That don't always have a home or have a pseudo volunteer or whatever it is Junkyard ordinance even if it's just somebody to intake that work through that. I mean, yeah, some of these things that all fit So but that's a future plug for now. We want to bestow upon markers what we're asking this prestigious Wonderful honor. Is it a three year or five? They're usually three. Yeah, and as a start now would start. Yeah, yeah They don't run on the annual calendar with the others. They start at the time of appointment I'll move to a point mark salvo as our zoning industry Second on paper. Hi motion passes congratulations mark Appointment of health officer and deputy health officer. So yeah, really what you're doing is recommending appointment There's come up at the end of September since we had capability to get on this agenda Figure we do that now so in the court from all the other ones Mission and health points town health officer and the deputy health officer you recommend Those people to them and then you're part of the local board of health along with them. Should we ever have to convene under that? Under that framework That's new to me. I did not know we had a local board of health. Yeah, it's the select board plus the town health officer Wonder when the last time of the meeting of the local It would have been could have conceivably been something Now you have a problem property where you've got garbage Vermin those types of things that might be where you pull the board of health together Because the actions that would fit Didn't go down So we need to do traffic it would just be both Melissa and Bob are willing to continue to serve And so if you're willing to recommend them the motion that's requested is to recommend the reappointment or the appointment We've got some Forms that may have already gone around. Yeah That then go to the Department of Health should you make the motion Someone would like to make a motion Sure, I'll make the motion to recommend to a point We had who Melissa scolera inscribirate and Bob Preci is okay. I would make a motion to do that Second all in favor. Hi motion passes manager's report. So is my favorite part So beyond what's written there's going to be I think we put the notice out Installation of the murals going to happen Sunday On Main Street, so we put our little notice we're close off those parking spaces by the Xebo to help facilitate Safe installation and use of equipment and all that What time are you closing that we're going to try to close it at 8 p.m. On Saturday So that way it's available Sunday morning when folks might get there at 6 o'clock with a lift I'll be able to unload the lift. Yep. You yes We've got to communicate with the sheriff's department so that they're aware So flyers plans to put notes on the doors for anybody who might be parked in there that Shouldn't meet a harken back to that earlier conversation And then Marks here with us We're setting up a second interview hopefully for next week for that recreation Directors position and we're still working to fill those finance roles and until then that'll probably be where I start to dig in in addition to The regular duties as we know the number of jobs down Thankfully, but we're still still a few of them and Kim has been helping out with the accounts payable piece Cynthia from Nemricks has been a lifesaver And it's done really wonderful work and we're catching up, but You'll turn it as budget season is around the corner I'm just gonna hang on To that having had to complete it last year when Cliff left. It's a budding capital budging I'll just hang on to that stay with the budget committee Through the cycle even if we hire someone new just have them ride shotgun Yeah, great because for better or worse right now and the institutional knowledge And you are it yeah, so so we'll dig in there and I Think was there anything else happening? I think that's it Apparently we have potholes around town too Yeah, do we have money to fix those we do we do and we've been doing and we're gonna rent a roller some of the challenge We've had as we took our old 1983 roller Yeah horse-drawn roller We had an old roller and some of the areas that we're trying to fix It's a little bit easier to kind of cut them out do some more extensive patching They're really deep and so to try to hand-temp these we found is just first of all, it's not very efficient and Sort of have to moderate work. Well, you must have to think of it like professional athletes What's your what's your workload? How many games in a row do you play before you have to sit? So we found it was easier and more effective with the roller to do that We've had an issue with now three pumps and we're in a bit of an argument with the the supplier of those pumps They've ended up failing relatively the last one only made it. I think it was less than three hours They've been metal shavings. It's just been a very difficult Situation we've priced out everything from new ones But I think we're gonna rent one build something into the budget But that'll allow us to finish kind of a pothole program now and then the idea would be to See if we can rent it again in the spring when we come out of winter and some of the patchwork hasn't held And go around and do those again some of the areas we're getting a lot of the calls or feedback on will be addressed through the paving program And so that's the paving program is gonna hit the majority of those bet. Don't forget Hall Street. That's the other paving program And then the guys are also right now up on Howard Hill finishing up that grants and aid project That we got roll over from last year. I don't know if you've been up there. It's looking yeah For nice stone-line ditching a little bit of widening. We've done some ledge removal some Burma mora. Yeah And so We'll finish up with that do a few other of those while we still have the excavator and and a few of those other tools And so they've been trying to dig in on some of that a Little bit more. We got winter sand. I think tucked away already or we're really close It looks like it's what it seems to be in a better place I was gonna say it's by all accounts. It's the type of thing it should be. Yeah, it's getting there. Yeah, absolutely They've made good progress. Yeah, excellent. Yeah Next on our agenda is executive session. Yeah, we had to the real estate one just be a real quick one on a topic We've had a few other times and Make a motion to go into executive session We need to word this in a particular way I think because of the real estate You got to do the finding that it's necessary and then the motion to enter First one would be that it's necessary prudent and premature general public knowledge would place the town at disadvantage Exactly what you said Yes