but we spent about seven hours with him I suppose in total because we had breakfast, played around the golf, did a shoot and had a spot of lunch but um he was I felt like I was having trouble saying it. James how are you sir? Hello how good this is good to meet you Chris. Yes absolutely wonderful mate thank you so much for coming on the the bought the t-shirt podcast what can I say I'm I'm I'm a little bit blown away with your not just your talent but also your portfolio. Oh thank you so much never get bored of hearing people say nice things about you. Yes well I also need to thank you for getting back to me because um for our friends at home originally I contacted James because I was trying to get in touch with Mikey Carroll who people will remember was the lottery millionaire and um it's stories like Mikey's I would just I would just love to chat to him about and uh as a result of that you got back to me and when I when I flicked to your website it was like oh my god this guy is not just an absolutely outstanding photographer but you've also met um some incredibly I don't like to use the word famous but yeah let's just use it incredibly famous um faces James. Yeah I don't know how I got here really but it's funny you say Mikey Carroll because um I forgot more about that shoot and then the guy I did the shoot with is a he's now a quite a well-known writer in Los Angeles a guy called Jeff Mesh and another friend Jamie Fullerton we all went up to do that shoot for Loaded Magazine I don't know if you remember that magazine yeah I think I think I've been in I think I've been in loaded. Oh were you okay so you're aware of it it was a bit of a thing wasn't it for a long time but we spent two days with Mikey Carroll up on the fence and he's he's a he's a he's mental and it's just like somebody gave this young lad was it four and a half million quid or something and he just went and bought a massive house with a massive bit of land and started banger racing in the back garden motor bikes in his kitchen just seven-day-long booze and drug parties like the neighbour from hell you know but yeah I forgot all about it and then you emailed me about it and then I think you emailed me through my idea I didn't get a chance to get back to it but um yeah I don't know where he is now I think I think he's a bin man now I think he lost all his money and he's working on the bins yes I remember somebody saying back in the day Mikey I think when he lost all his money someone said Mikey's never happier sat in the front of the bin van with his canisteria you know going about the going about the bin bin round and um the thing that the thing that gets me or intrigues me or engages me I should say is like you know this guy like many people bought a lottery ticket it just by sheer happenstance and they beat the odds to win not just one million but I think it was several million wasn't it and he just went a bit wild and you know it's I'm always kind of like I'm a little bit like I like to stand up for the anti-hero you know when society got always doing this and he's doing that it's like well so what what do you expect what what you know he's not he hasn't put himself forward as the UN at UN ambassador or something he's just a young lad it's yeah he was nice to us I mean this is the funny thing about some of the people I shoot that people that have these quite strong opinions about them and they think oh what is that person like and you have to be honest and say it's nice it's all right I mean I don't think I want to become best buddies with him but like you can't he looked after us he bought us dinner you know bought some beers he was pleasant polite and everything else but you know oh clearly the guy wouldn't make the best neighbour in the country um yeah it's funny funny that no you you wouldn't want him servicing your BMW would you I remember the GSXR 750 I think it was sat in his kitchen and he didn't start up because he'd already ruined his kitchen floor he'd been doing the burn acts in his kitchen all his GSXR and you think oh god mighty some bad decision making going on here I'm just looking for your photo of him is it is it in your portraits oh I think um well I didn't send you I don't mean to send you one now no I'm just I just I'm going to try and get it up on your website if you can point me to which if you go to my website if you go to um I do it myself actually I'm here now I'm I'm is that Brandon Brandon Brandon block yeah it's great as well all the stashing um bottles over his head for that photoshoot if you go to my website you go to archive at the top the bottom left hand corner okay I'm going to bring up our viewers in so they know what we're talking about here and Brandon Brandon if you're watching this hello brother I love Brandon but yeah so everybody loves Brandon block and they should do because he's just such a bloody nice guy is world needs and he's also giving out a lot to to you know the community at the moment he does a lot of live coaching and he puts his you know his experiences to good use so we were going to archive wasn't it yeah and if you go to if you go to um all galleries and then you have a search box and at the top if you just search for Michael you should bring it bring up some images in them um you're making me um you're making me spell stuff like live on the um right let's have a look we've got a michael it should bring up it bring up some actors called Michael yeah is it the has he got the skull in front of him is it that yeah that's in his um that was in his hallway or his landing oh here we go there's him with the gsxr and there's him with yes there's our boy Mikey if you ever get to watch this or if somebody knows Mikey that can put us in touch would absolutely dearly love to um host you on the podcast Mikey unless you unless you're fed up with fed up with all of this celebrity kind of stuff but um yes uh but i'm just a guy that you can't help feeling out a soft spot for if you've ever been um you know if you've ever kind of what can i say lived side lived life on the other side of the fence it's hard to know where you i don't know how old he was he was about 19 wasn't he when he won that money and you think he was just allowed from the fence that you know working past that and someone just thrust three million quid in his pocket i mean what would you do really yeah exactly and um you know he did what what so many thousands if not hundreds of thousands of britains do every week which is buy a lottery ticket and then when he won yeah the very said people that bought you know bought said lottery ticket and just turn around and rip the guy to bits um i'm not saying his behavior probably didn't um you know have a have a thing there but like oh my god who cares about some guy at the other end of the country that races cars in his garden on a saturday night and and um a lot of people would be like wow i wish i wish i could afford to do that well you know aren't they maybe you think of all these pop stars and like these millions but they had managers and agents and minders and everything so it's all keep them on the straight and narrow he had no one he just had a big bank balance and then all of a sudden you could live like a rock star yes no one to tell him to stop or when to stop or how to stop or yeah right let's just get back to us because um i wanted to start off on a bit of a um i don't want to say controversial subject it's not controversial it's just a very hidden subject and i had the same chat with robbie williams when he was on the podcast and if i can just pick a photo don't don't don't oh here we go oh hang on there we go samie allow jackson no more no less is it it is yeah and um if i've got this right we're going to throw off a lot of our audience now but but i think a lot of people know what i'm getting at this is the oh hang on let's get the picture up for everyone um there we go now let's just put our cars on the table friends at home yes this could just be an innocent photo we we we get that but what we see a lot with celebrities in their photographs is them doing the masonic symbolism so that the all seeing eye you know the the i don't even know what this one is whether it's meant to be the pyramid or or or this kind of thing and and just i was looking at this website here earlier that explains the cultic symbols and this v sign apparently there's an awful lot more to it um it goes down to the masonic nor look the masonic and nostic law of opposites similar to the the black and white checkerboard that's in the masonic lodges um this is the doctrine of bringing order out of chaos reconciling the two opposites evil and good the v sign is also a sign of the horned god of witchcraft often called pan or baphomet the androgynous goat god sorry james i've gone slightly off on one there to explain it but for those people who do have their eyes open this symbology you you you can't miss it in fact if you just type into a search engine celebrities illuminati symbology you get thousands of pictures exactly like this and either we're led to believe that celebrities um the only thing that they do in their day is walk around covering up one eye or it you know or shove in their um hand inside there you know inside their jack just just randomly which is i can honestly say in 51 years on the planet i've never felt the need to put my hand inside my my jacket but for people listening i wonder what the hell this guy's going on about i'm talking about the masonic symbolism it's a masonic sign it it all um it's all esoteric language that the person in the street just wouldn't get or wouldn't wouldn't understand there's obviously a whole lot more of it but what i wanted to ask you james is what the hell is going on and as a photographer at what point are you told or is it suggested or you know where does it come about that right james we want you photos you know photographing gargar next week and we want this and we want this um we want a you know a checkerboard in the background we want you know or we want some devils horns what can you shed any light on it mate whatsoever i mean i'm very honest that that samiel jackson's shoot it came as a bit of a surprise to me because i shut him and it's a golf course went worth quite a famous golf club in Surrey it was because he wanted to play around the golf before the shoot so we ended up shooting in the clubhouse and we were stuck in his tiny little room probably not much bigger than the room i'm in now which is really hard to shoot in because you can't play with lights or anything so he struggled i thought what am i going to do and he just started doing these things with his hands i thought that's quite cool i didn't ask him to he just started doing it but then it's interesting and i didn't think anything of it i just thought oh he's just he's given me something you know rather than just sit there and stare at me which would have been hard work he's he's tried he's kind of given me some poses and he's made it interesting but a few years later i did the shoot with alex james you know the um texan talk show host yeah very much he spent a day with him in austin and he mentioned it to me about that symbol with because he'd obviously checked me out before we went over that to do the shoot and he started talking about i don't know what he's on about and i've been listening to alex james a bit fun you know he's an interesting guy isn't he i think before he got big he was like i just found him on some podcast channel somewhere you know to me it was interesting he was a crazy american streaming about the government but um yeah and then he started pointing out oh you look at lady gaga is that insane you look at all these other guys gaga's famous for isn't she all these kind of hand symbols and yeah it's an interesting i don't know i mean it's who knows it makes great pictures that's something you have to consider oh the okay side but there's all this because you can then if you're a photography you've got a choice you think well you can do this and it doesn't mean much it's hard you know since you start bringing the hands into the face it it suddenly becomes an interesting portrait and it's hands and faces are the two big sort of there's a language here going on that most of the public misses we've got our dear uh prince harry who apparently wants the whole world to know or all his three masonic buddies to know that he's a mason because he just is always shoving his hand uh you know in his jacket it's it goes as high as the vatican doesn't it it's it's just all pervasive there's the this one this um it's it's just an incredible life that this stuff goes on and that the vast majority of people will will just never see it james oh god yeah and the level we all live at compared to the level the knife i've done a few sheets with prince harry been around him a little bit um because some of the events i've been to and then the machine yeah that one so well it's again it looks a little bit like a sort of goat or something isn't it kind of you know they're kind of supposed to place it you know but yeah there's a machine around these people it's hard to um fathom to be honest and you step into it you step out but i think you know it but you don't you know what's going on but yes i've i've done my digging i'm well i i think um since certain events that happened 20 years ago i think everyone i'm not going to say that the the key words here james because we get we get in trouble but certain events that that kind of woke the world up 20 years or certainly work at woke a lot of us up to the fact that the reality we'd been born into and have been indoctrinated into us wasn't the reality of of the world and so and so for 20 years i've had a vested interest in this i believe in truth love light empathy um i believe human beings are essentially good and what i what i've sort of god look at it i'm sorry i'm just you can't see this james but i'm just flicking through the internet here and you know bill clinton was a big one wasn't he was always talking about the light the light for friends at home as in the lightbringers the illuminati the light will shine on a new day and all this kind of stuff angela merkel there i mean she ever done a press conference where she's not not not doing well tony pear does that does that a fair amount too doesn't he yeah and then you've got jz he's calling his is calling his albums after like the levels of masonry and all this kind of stuff yes um yes they're all out of it anyway what i was going to say is let's get back to us um yeah after 20 years of study all i can see is that what there's many talented people in the world right you've met a lot of them right but there are literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that are talented enough to sign a record deal tomorrow i know them one of my best friends jess is incredibly talented me she's just as good as you know i don't even know the names guys because i don't watch mainstream stuff but i don't know if it's rita aura or you know my friend could get a record deal tomorrow right you've got all these people desperate to get signed up in the music business or the film industry but there's like a a ceiling and people that have talent tend to be talented also tend to have quite a lot of childhood trauma an emotional baggage and a desperate need to be loved right to be acknowledged and i'll hold my hand up and say that's that's why i started writing it's like i wanted my fucking five minutes of fame you know i didn't want to be a nobody i didn't want to be just looked at as a you know someone that battled addiction or and all the horrible words that society use about people like myself um and so you've got this ceiling where the talent is abundant on the planet but they they get to this glass ceiling and then the the guys above it so you're you're you know your producers directors record company executives all this kind of thing can then cherry pick from these hundreds of thousands of people and they look at them and they say right which one of these is going to sign the pact the faustian pact as in you sign up with with lucifer we are going to make you rich right you are going to you know you're going to have everything you're going to have the three swimming pools the 12 messades the big house you're going to be on every you know you're going to be doing the super bowl halftime event you're going to be doing the brit awards you're going to be doing and and you see it you just see how it happens right but along with that wait didn't billy i'd all do the super bowl halftime event at the weekend who had that happen i think from from what's come across my screen again like i'm never going to watch that i it's always a satanic ritual it just is um it's not a fan of it it's back in generation x days and some of the early solo stuff i thought bloody hell he must be retired and sitting in a you know a hammock with his margarita by an eye of just watching the earth well part of the the faustian pact is is they they give you a taste of celebrity and all the riches and the adoration and the screaming fast then they put you back down again so they put you in a state of wanting massive longing to get that fame back then when they bring you back up they say right sign here and of course most people go oh can you get my career back yep and and there's all kinds of other deep dark stuff attached to it such as um allegedly sacrifice you have to sacrifice somebody you love when you look at the amount of celebrities that have lost a loved one it's this plausible you know it's like this this this seems a bit plausible um and the other thing you have to be public you humiliated every now and again so you'll see a celebrity just going off the rails and you think i just bloody celebrities are all you know taking drugs or whatever but no and apparently it's part of this pact is is this is what you you know this is what you have to do so probably gone on a bit there james apologies but but like i'm never going to get the chance to ask a professional photographer like is there any pressure put put on you no i mean to be honest with you most of those most of the the sheets that i've done i've had complete creative freedom with unless there's an agent sat there who often says no you can't do that you can't do this but it's usually what you can't do not telling you what to do if you see what i mean um and you know in terms of locations i mean one of the magazines i used to work for a lot was an uncle q magazine again it died this year it's a little shame because it's such a brilliant magazine um the magazines are dying off but uh they used to pick locations that would be a thing they'd have a picture editor or an art director but you know they're i can't think of any agenda involved it was just right let's do it let's do a shoot with a chippy sort of thing um because there's a shot you're talking about checker there's a um a famous chippy in london old old street i think it is i don't think it is no it's got a big black and white check floor i was thinking about this when you were talking about this earlier i was thinking cranky was a check floor something that i should have noticed is a band called little dragon um but uh swedish sort of electronic about but mostly mostly i get to choose what goes on i often get told the location but when they get to the location i'm in charge i would say but but then like you say the samuel jackson shoot the guy just started putting his hands over his face you know as long as you can it was good as a photography you're like oh this is brilliant i'm getting something out of this but i've seen pictures of ian brand do something similar and ian brand's one of the most i don't know if you know much about him well i'm going to shoot him again but i wanted to talk to you about him because he's an absolute legend um let james let's not talk about the current situation i think everybody knows what we're talking about i think everyone's aware that um you know there are some views out there that are saying that everything's not what it seems i think that's that's fair to say yeah you get ripped off of youtube for expressing those views don't you yes you know we're it's um it it's as a content creator it's pretty unfair that all you're doing is is is telling a narrative and these these um platforms come in and slap you with all kinds of punitive or restrictive measures we could say um i checked his chat the other day he was the last man to get out of if i say a certain building or let's think the two buildings he was the last man to get out alive the three buildings yeah well yeah now actually four if you if we include washington right i'm not going to say his testimony because again we're just going to get the video we'll just get banned but um you know this is a man worth listening to and yet when i spoke to him we just got an immediate like 18 year old restriction slapped on a it's like what what you know my my channel set is 16 years old anyway well what we're saying that that that that 16 years aren't allowed to know this man's he experienced his truth but sorry we're getting slightly slide track sorry i'm very good at sidetracking myself james but what i wanted to say is yeah um ian brown is massively speaking out about what's going on yeah his twitter accounts fascinating yeah he has to suffer the wrath of thousands upon thousands of very unenlightened people every day that are attacking him when all he's trying to do is save our freaking children you know to save what's fascinating about that is that everybody wants him to just tell the line i want my rock stars to be controversial i want my rock stars to be able to say stuff like that and not not just become these you know machines of the sort of the industry do you know what i mean i want people to have controversial views that's what how rock calling rock indy whatever you want to say is but you know give them for having an opinion that's not popular yeah exactly and the other chap um lead singer of the verve ashcroft yeah richard ashcroft he's now independent isn't he i believe and he's come out with some tracks in which he talks about then and they a little bit like um um reflecting back to michael jackson when he used to say you know all about them in in in in his songs and um yeah i i think it's just refreshing and then you you get the absolute muppet puppets like lady gargar that will just and madonna that just tow this satanic line just to keep just to keep themselves yeah it's you know wasn't lady gargar and going to the u n last year oh they all get these which is fascinating to me they get they get these puppet positions in which they have to spin the narrative and i'm again i'm not not talking to anyone like specific here but um you know you've got yeah you've got to support the u n you've got to support the world health organization narrative and and if you do that you will remain in the public eye it's it's it's um like i kind of get it but it it it's like this james if i lost my career tomorrow all my youtube and then my writing would suffer and i'd go back to you know probably having to have like i could look myself in the mirror and say chris you're a fucking legend you know you are a genuine hero in society i'm not bigger myself up here james it's just i've got a son he needs to know that his daddy is is a you know a real hero i was gonna say real man i don't want to upset people but like he's a warrior he's a fighter he does what's right he's not afraid he's not going to go out in public and be told how he's you know got to got to behave and under false under you know completely false narrative and and these celebrities they're the other way they're cowards they will just keep you know keep spinning these lies and supporting the these these lying narratives just so they get their five minutes of fame on stage what you know three times a year or whatever it is and appear in this magazine or that and and ah who am i to judge other people mate but i'm just saying if anyone listened to this it's that ian browns of the world unless you're gonna tell unless you're you're gonna tell me unless you're gonna tell me something different that that have woken up and the only thing i did a shoot with ian brown i'm a massive fan the only thing i did was quite funny it's funny it's not anything sinister he knows in one of the harry potter films wasn't he he had a very brief cameo and we recreated that shot if you if you know harry potter countries i see like our kids have seen the films he's sort of stirring a cup of tea using his finger was a wand to move the spoon reading a copy of um steven hawkins a brief history of time and space so we recreated that in an old cafe in chiswick he was brilliant he's a lovely guy yes if anybody anybody listening knows ian could you please put us in touch because i he's a hero of mine you know for what he's saying on twitter at the moment he's just you know it takes a brave enlightened person to just stand out from the crowd and do what's right um yeah we i'm just looking for his picture here where would i find here we go i've got him here we go folks look christen technology i am your man there we go what a legend um yeah he's a it's that's the great thing about my job sometimes i get to meet people like ian brown who i've visited music since i was a you know 18 years old and then you can't hang out with it without coffees for two or three hours it's such a treat well you've you've had the experience that i've had but you've had it even more so and that's that that i started the podcast changes so i could speak to incredible people you know people that have sort of done stuff with their lives and um you know you even more so it i don't know but it's um it's funny i don't know how you could you were in the army for a while right so you probably traveled the world i imagine with that and then continued that adventure but certainly i started off wanting to be a war photographer that was my um that's what got me into into photography when i was 18 and i thought like you know i used to watch these used to read the independent when it was a good newspaper i mean it's it's trash now but if you believe or not i used to be a really really good newspaper and it was independent and i used to see some of the photography from people like david ashton does and all that i think i want to do that but it never happened i ended up getting stared towards sports more than anything else being quite a sort of sporty person um but yeah it's funny how your life takes you sort of meandering turns doesn't it you know you've got to keep it sort of going in one direction with you end up where you end up with a little kind of weird little turns in your in your back really the mirror it's where you go it is interesting um i sorry i wanted to continue down that thread but i do need to ask you have you ever seen the documentary um it's called something like which way to the front line i don't think so oh it was um again i'm just going to do a quick search um it was about these war journalists um one in particular sorry folks if you're hearing me loud typing i don't now there we go yeah which way to the front line what an incredible documentary it was recommended to me by a former royal marines friend of mine um good friend of my matty um that's matty elliot for for the people that are aware he's done a lot of my um shoots on my my adventures um and it's the story of tim heverington oh right yeah he spent time i think it was in restrepo which was a an outpost in afghanistan um he he spent time there was sebastian junger again another famous very famous journalist and writer who wrote the book the perfect storm plus plus a lot of other stuff and yeah it was just about um so if i can get a picture up here because tim was shot wasn't he i remember rightly yes there there he is sorry i'm just getting the picture centered quite close yeah he he these guys were a bit they're kind of all crazy these war journalists i think they're quite famous for partying taking lots of drugs putting themselves in extreme danger laughing it all off and and i guess kind of thinking it's never going to happen to me yeah and sadly with tim after an outstanding career where he photographed war in its rawness um he i think he just got shot dead one day yeah i heard all these stories that he started um i hope i'm right when i say i'm not speaking out of school but he became sponsored by lyca and so he started using lyca cameras and it meant he had to get a little closer because lyca didn't didn't have the big 300 nor lenses that he worked might have had access to use nip on or so he was always kind of pushing it a bit and there was also there's a weird time where i think there was a time when um journalists and photographers were almost immune people didn't see them as targets i think that all changed around Afghanistan didn't it but and where they started seeing the the media as a target and they started taking out rather than seeing a press fest and ignoring it they'd see a press fest as a target it flipped around that time and lots more journalists were being shot and photographers too sadly for both journalists but yeah but you can go back to some vietnam days lots of the media were almost immune you still have to know yeah who was the chap that was it the son of eril flinn that was the famous photographer in vietnam or at least one obviously there were many but um i think he was the like a descendant of eril flinn um i'm just gonna god i'm glad i got my search engine up today i've i've really needed it um uh yeah shorn flinn that was the chap's name i didn't know that yeah there's this iconic picture of him he embedded with um let's have a look he embedded with troops i think in vietnam i'm showing a picture now he's parachuting and he's taking a photo of himself and when i um when i did my skydiving course i tucked my camera in my top top pocket one time and after i pulled my pulled my shoot i took the camera and i i've got photos like i've got a photo a bit a bit similar similar to this um i can't remember it's an eril flinn remains of eril flinn's son found so i'm guessing that he came a cropper at some point um shorn leslie flinn was an american actor and freelance photojournalist best known for his coverage of the vietnam war um the only child of australian american actor eril flinn there we go wow didn't know that he disappeared on the 6th of april 1970 age 28 um on highway one in cambodia wow so he used to embed with the special forces units and yes it's that thing isn't it that that you know you kind of don't think it's going to happen to you but on the one hand we need war journalists or we you know the war needs to be sort of chronicled um then there's the holiday there's something to say about a lot of this that um often people military personnel detours and they'll do one or two and they'll maybe find the less front line position but sometimes war is on the front line for decades decade after decade they're just finding another another hotspot to get to see it's driving pencil must driving pencil yeah it must become a massive adrenaline rush mustn't it going back to normality for them is like a serviceman that's been in war going back to normality it just it just doesn't quite cut the cut the mustard yeah yeah a lot of um readjustment to do but let's let's go back to your outstanding images james um let's have a look at this one um um here we go we're looking at mr jevese again i like ricky too for his outspoken ways is he a bit of a scamp is it fair to say um he's hard work not not for the wrong reasons but probably for the right reasons it's just um it's like dealing with children he's just he's just i've shot him both times with carl pilkinson and steven merchant and it's just to those like herbing cats but he's brilliant and i love him and he's friendly and he's he's polite and you then you consider how big he's become you know he's gotta be the best paid comedian maybe they should that wasn't baby chappelle might be higher paid but ricky must be out there with the most famous comedians on the planet mustn't you um but harris absolutely harris and we that was shot for you the idiot abroad idiot abroad and yes well we did the promo shots for that um for the american audience so it went out to science channel but um yeah great fun but he's fantastic too because he calls that lots of stuff doesn't he when he's doing his golden globes hosting the kind of yeah he's kind of those americans on there um you know on on tenterhooks yeah um there's a rumor going on it's going to be at the oscule i mean i think i'll probably be the best night's tv of the year we did but i think it's fair to say though that he's also done his fair share of the old um oh is it wow i there's a fine line isn't there between coincidence and you know oh my god it's just bloody blatant now you there's no um you know there's no sort of there's no sort of deny you know if you if you consistently in every bloody other photo you do you're doing this stuff that's it's kind of like um what's that law what's the law that you've got to employ um oh um what's the solution is probably the right solution yeah that that that kind of thing i can't somebody if you're listening put it in the comments what's that law is it not not murphy's law the other one isn't it it's like if it looks like a a chicken it walks like a chicken and it's like it's probably a chicken um yeah i can't yeah i know what you mean but uh yes and and and ricky no disrespect i'm just saying uh let me i'm just going to have a little look what about so uh michael palin what's um it's it's funny i've never asked you the other day it's a really probably the nicest person you photographed i'll have to say michael palin it's just a really nice gentleman um again i mean it's i think we shot that for his sahara series comes out that's 15 years ago now wasn't it probably when he just come over he had his brilliant gig didn't he you're just going on these incredible travel shows around the world but um yeah a great guy just uh yeah he's certainly lived a life hasn't he yeah and he's sort of he's kind of how you i think you want your tv personalities to be you know he doesn't doesn't seem to have an ego doesn't seem to have a he's an educated guy he just seems to be well raised i would say but um very accommodating yeah so i'm going to get his oh for some reason i if i double click it it jumps for two pictures so i'm going to try and remember not to do that yeah there he is our montipython because i can't see it on my end so is it the shot he's slightly leaning to one side like this i don't know the one do you can you if i say something like that does that trigger your memory like immediately as a photographer yeah that was the shot because i mean it's the same as a content provider you've got to get the right image for your videos or whatever or your thumbnails and i think you it is a bit like a photograph in your photographic memory it's like yes that was the one no there are certain frames and i think that was um one of the more sensible ones because we had him we had him with a shirt off and we'd cut a bit of wood a big piece of plywood and cut us off a circle a semi-circle on the end so he could put his head into it so it's only his head was poking out then we surrounded him with sand build a sand so it looked like his head was poking out the desert and superimposed it onto a desert background oh sorry for our friends at home i didn't um put that one up on the screen there we go let's let's see who else we've got well we've got low we could we could talk all day couldn't we oh key flint is it is it not yeah key flint you know how i said i was so not so lucky to shoot ian brown i put key flint in the same same category it's an even artist i enjoyed so much growing up it's still doomed to this day you know i still play it you need to especially if i'm going for a run it's perfect isn't it but um yeah it's a shame about key isn't it because he's clearly struggled towards the end and had all sorts of problems but yeah what a shame but what i liked about him was he wasn't just a fake he was a proper renegade isn't he that we shy and racing bikes at cabwell park and he won the race yeah i saw your um in your wonderful magazines i saw some of the pictures um do you want to just explain james to our friends at home what what what what the magazines are about or where would they buy them if that's still possible um well union is on a sort of break at the moment a because we can't travel to shoot another one because we can't get to the states but volto is my personal thing it's just the way of me publishing there's work that i felt never really got used properly so it's got sheets with doll trump in there and key flint and yeah he's just it's unbelievable that the guy can be a massive presence in music and then when endurance races on a motorbike amazing isn't it yeah he's a star he really was he could ride he could really ride i was um i was really surprised james because the last i heard he taken to gardening you know quit the drug the the rock and roll and druggy lifestyle and and he he'd taken up gardening and i've got like massive respect when i hear things like that i think well you know just the guys found peace and happiness and then when i heard that actually know that you know um that wasn't the case um yeah quite quite sad isn't it yeah and it's hard to get your head around isn't it because you thought yeah everything didn't it if you think about it from a basic standpoint yeah incredible success adulation you know it's talented money wealth and it's funny isn't it it doesn't not enough is it some people it's not it's not all about that you know no i mean i think they um that's the stuff that they have to get over and put behind them because it's all about ego isn't it when you live that you know you're you're living in your ego when it's all about money fame and celebrity and adoration and that's never you know that's just never going to end well and i think i think some of these um uh celebrities get over that and they reject it and they walk away if indeed they they haven't signed signed this this this pact because if you sign the pact you're never allowed to walk away allegedly right i'm only yeah i feel like keith had walked away from it a little bit because you know how um well something that's that begs the question and i'm not trying to be disrespectful to this wonderful man's memory at all but one of the things about walking away is it ain't gonna end well for you right you you you're gonna be one of these guys that managed is to shoot themselves in the back of their head or or or i'm friends i'm not trying to be conspiratorial i'm just saying this this is the you know this is like the buzz i think we said in the right you know this is the one of the theories and it it it may well just have been he was a a tormented man and and his demons got the better of him and yeah do you know i think a lot of artists are tormented people because i haven't met a few they're um they're all thought can be a little bit unhinged you know because there's a certain um drive isn't it to want to want fame and to want to be in front of people because it's my worst nightmare to be on stage and have people screaming at me my worst nightmare to be recognised in the street but some people i'm not saying it's him because i don't think that's what the prodigy were ever about they were a punk band essentially in the in the track kind of genre but um but you know i didn't see if you get his hands dirty you know he wasn't just a bit of a diva he was a proper bloke that didn't mind going out and smashing his head against a tarmac at 80 hours an hour if it went wrong that that day yes yes so i'm just um trying to i'm not really good at multitasking james but i'm acutely aware that there's stuff um um there's stuff i wanted to to to to bring up um what let's just ask a silly cliche question who was like your favourite who's been the the best experience to photograph Keith would be one of them for sure just because i just be just chatted all day about bikes i left other bikes out of passion for motorcycles since i'm a teenager um do you know it's funny because sometimes it's people you just bump into on random kind of story shoots you know you just meet nice people but i mean yeah Ian Brown was great fun very nice um somebody else saw a shop Lincoln Park do you remember the rock band yes massive in the sort of 90s and 2000s sadly chest that died didn't he right two years ago as well he committed suicide quite a few of our portfolio committed suicide which is quite a horrible thing to say um yeah they were great fun likes a bit of fruity so i could have a good chat about that i can play be playing football against them in a fiver side sorry james was he the chap that committed suicide was yeah that's he was linked with um exposing certain things about Hollywood as well just a beddington so there's never a beddington yeah so i'm not ever since the dance scene landed i've never been much up on uh on sort of other other um other music sorry i was just getting some folk there's a there's a guy for anyone that's interested in this um this symbolism stuff that we've talked about there's there's a wonderful channel by a chap called Jeremiah Cohen he's on youtube and i've tried to get him on the podcast because he's massively um this is his channel by the way folks if i think you can see it um hang on he talks about the hollywood coven and what you've got to do to stay famous Jeremiah Cohen there he is um it was actually him that did the video he did a video on ricky javais and ricky if you're watching no i'm not suggesting anything it's just many of us have answers because we're we're parents and this stuff is just it just gets weird and it's not stuff um it's not stuff i really you know any parent would really want in their children's lives it just gets so here we go yeah gosh it's um it's like a smorgasbord of of um oh we've got we've got to go for this gentleman especially in the the current climate oh what was it like meeting president trump hit myself in trouble here because everybody wants me to say he was a monster i just i just give you a heads up james um a lot of our subscribers think the guy was a force for good um well i'm i'm pretty apolitical and i think i'm not a fan of any political party if i'm very honest i'm quite old-fashioned sort of liberal in a way i just believe in personal liberty and personal responsibility for me old-fashioned but um anyway he hadn't this was about a week before he normally threw his hat into the room to become the nominee for the republican party so i wasn't aware of any of these political ambitions at this point but um but we spent about seven hours within my suppose in total because it was we had breakfast played around the golf did a shoot at that spot of lunch but um he was i felt like i was having trouble saying it he was a nice bloke to hang out with for the day funny constantly cracking jokes um polite asked me about my kids asked me about my life you know asked me about where i lived you know and you don't always get that when you folks brought people with that financial standing in fame you know they often they just want you out of the way they want to do the shoot and then you're the photographer there the star but he was um very engaging so when he became this little figure of hate so quickly after winning the american election in was it 2016 i just thought oh it's not the bloke that i met did you think it's funny we're kind of change and i had to keep explaining this when people are asking what he was like and i thought because it's awkward because i'm not gonna lie he wasn't horrible he was very nice in fact seem to remember him being quite chatty and he's unusual when you meet people they say he was that famous um so yeah kind of say hey they've got disappointing people sometimes when i say that but no we're um here james we're just about the truth it's just that simple and and and we must speak our truths in life and it a lot of people um would say that he was a good man and that right from the start of his presidency and i just point out to people listening i don't vote right i'm i'm well aware that the world is controlled by an elite bunch of sociopaths that control every single political figure whether like directly by direct means or or indirect means um so please don't like count me as a trump supporter or a biden voter i just don't do any of that kind of stuff right i like my freedom politics is just a system of oppression it keeps us all enslaved by and into this phony notion that because we've got a red party and a blue that we that we live in democracy it's i would say it's utter nonsense but looking like from the outside in it did appear that president trump was prepared to rock the boat that he was prepared to ask you know to challenge the factors that were not making america as great as he believed it could be and it also seemed right from the outset um even before he became president when barric obama openly laughed at him in in a public forum it was some big you know big speakers convention i don't know if it was a an after dinner speech where you know but he publicly humiliated this man and president trump came good he he he he he got in you know he he got into power and from that moment it just seemed like there was a media campaign to destroy the guy right playing on all people's emotions bringing race into it bringing disability you know and when you look at his presidency he there wasn't the that he didn't cause the mass mutilation in the world that that his predecessors did you know he certainly wasn't a warmonger or a puppet for the warmongers like both bushes were and like obama was with his um allegedly um more there were more bombings or drone strikes under obama than than than i think going going back to vietnam right you know the amount of ordinance that was that were dropped on underdeveloped countries um and so what i'm trying to say james is no please be honest about the guy because we we you know we need it we need to hear that that the the alternates narrative or can we call it the the true narrative and personally speaking i think the world's in an incredibly dark place i think that although donald trump might have been a bit you know possibly rough around the edges which there's a military person we're not really bothered about that you know um but i think that he saw this great evil in the world and he tactfully as possible tried to instigate a plan to address it and the vicious backlash that he got even leading up to this election which you know i'm just going to say kind of the result beggars belief i think shenanigans is probably the word um and yeah i think there was such as a vicious backlash against him because the powers that be you know all all related to all you know all kind of interrelated to the stuff we've been talking about they just set out to you know to destroy him and make sure that this you know possible force for good in the world i'd say possible you know i'm never going to know the truth am i but to make sure that he didn't get a second term and to instill somebody um that would just continue this this to implement the agenda of this what i call the sociopaths you know this these these these people that just control the whole goddamn show um and uh yeah james sorry i'm just i just think we need we need to be saying our truths because it's it's it's it kind of it guts me to think that the children now they're not going to have the privileges that we did they're not going to be able to travel freely they're not going to have um free free choice it's all heading towards the direction of of you know things i think everyone knows the things that we're on about but words like you know digital passports and and health passports and all this kind of stuff forced on them when essentially we're free human beings we have the right to travel you know where the hell we want under universal law and now we're being hemmed into this you know this very dark um dark agenda and um and yeah we we we need to speak out of it so i i i think you're very brave saying the truth and if you're saying he was a good guy like i don't know he was a good guy i could say it was nice to he was nice to me i mean i think i don't like him as a president in that i think it was great to have an independent to break up this this um kind of left right big paradox paradigm sorry that he seemed to have but i just thought he was a bit of a blunt tool wasn't he for quite an instrument job he said the wrong things he he wasn't very good at his own pi i'm a bit i could say i don't have any love for any politicians really i find the whole thing a bit of a to choose my words a bit of a sham i don't have any love i don't i don't have any love for him and the same way i don't have any love for any of them really but um he was pleasant on the day and like i say he was probably didn't he was nice he was just friendly um this is why i'm really quite quite tipped around it's because i don't want to be seen as somebody who's like a trump supporter because i'm not i don't have much stocking a lot of stuff he's he the way he conducted himself was unfortunate but then i could say that about any politician really this is why i'm quite ambivalent about it really because you know i spent a day with Tony Blair once back in about 1997 um i know and it's funny to contrast these two experiences because okay Tony Blair's the tractors now but he was the sort of the toast of london for a long time wasn't he but he was horrible man to be in the company for five or six that's just more than five or six hours i think i was there from nine a.m until nine p.m um shadowing back in 96 maybe 97 can't think that i was there but um yet he was considered to be a very successful prime minister by a lot of people but i always saw him as a bit of a nasty piece of work after spending a few hours in his company so it's yeah it's a tricky one i i don't know i don't know if you can judge somebody's character as well by spending a few hours in uh in that company you know because you can have a bad day can't you and people can think oh what a dick you know he was horrible and you think well maybe that day his dog died or something and then you had to get up and do a photo shoot and didn't want to do it and got told he had to do it i don't know it's um it's tricky to judge somebody on a slice of tiny slice of spending time with them um who knows you know it's Trump's a funny thing i wonder how we'll look back on it in 10 years time as a society i mean people kind of see it all differently i don't know it's it's it's it's a hard one to see with him because people get so emotional about it just evoking that isn't it we won't be looking back we've been dumb down to such an extent our critical thinking skills have been removed and we'll be even more controlled by these monsters um and that's it isn't it like if we had the ability to look back and reflect we would have looked at the vietnam war and we would have looked at the second world war and the first and we'd be like right let let let's not be doing that stuff again right let's let's look at the precursors to all this let's look at the motivations behind them let's look at the amount of money and power that are garnered by certain individuals in society off the back of these conflicts right it's it's it's just nothing short of evil right but of course we don't we don't look back the next generation comes along they're even a bit more dumb down than the next because it's um donald trump um and i think there's there's a lesson there to be learned that we we we shouldn't feel hesitant or embarrassed to just say our truths in life and i'm also james like a slight apology to you mate i am well aware that um i'm using this podcast as a kind of a voice so to speak but it's just because i'm so passionate about life i think i'm one of the very few people on the planet that that that really see the kind of holistic picture of what what is happening to us as a as a human race um i might be completely completely wrong but um what i'm trying to say is it's it's all good credit to you mate it's all it's all good good credit to you for bringing well if you hadn't taken these pictures we wouldn't be having this conversation would we true true i think the internet i think it's a west country thing i think i've seen the cows going past i'm sorry they must be trumping all over the internet cables whereabouts are you and well without like you know compromising yourself are you sort of you know exit away or i'm in bath okay all right i i thought bath was um more i'm just looking at my map up here not that it really shows bath but it does show the uk um yeah i wouldn't have said bath was west country or dare you yeah i but for someone who's traveled to 87 countries on all seven continents my geography is really bad i think we consider ourselves west country here um yeah i lost a share summer sat yeah that area okay bath is not my my girlfriend spends a lot of time but well she used to we we had relatives up there um everybody keeps dying so if everybody if you're watching this please just just like stop dying right you you're ruining the narrative but um yeah she spent a lot of time up there it's a place i think i've been once in my life um once i get north of summer sat i i just think i'm like you know i'm from the south like from devon so i think like i'm in scotland when we go past one everyone's everyone just becomes like really friendly and and speaks with these these funny accents they all sound like the angry boot neck who i who was on my podcast the other day matt much love to you mate no no disrespect man um come on let let uh let let's get into some of these pictures and and and friends at home we're gonna stop all the you know the alternative talk now and um and just just have a look at these cracking images so oh mr vinnie jones yeah i like vinnie i i cannot i've shot him i think when i first started shooting sports i'm getting loads of praise for all the pitch desks i used to shoot premier league matches and then we'd syndicate pitchers acts for all the sports desks and the sun and the star and then mail and the whatever telegraph and um i'm looking at this lovely shot of vinnie jones sort of monstering matt latiziae and the dale and south hampton yeah he's a brilliant footballer and i think i shot him a few times after that at little kind of press events and he was he's he wouldn't mess with him he wouldn't mess with him but he's nice to you if you're nice to him sort of thing but i think the shot i can't see what you're looking at but i think the shot you're looking at it's him within toleport is it yes and unfortunately james he's pointing at you not me that's the end of 2019 that one up in up near lot lomond on an ad shoot for a bike manufacturer who's doing a this quite a cool or mini horror film but yeah i like him i like him a lot really because i think he's a straight talker and he um he treats you know you treat him i think that's quite a nice quality of life he won't take any nonsense but he's nice to him he's nice back it's quite a nice weight and style and it's you know i've got full respect for the guy not just because he's a legend and let's be honest i like men's men i just i just do i just i mean i love i love everybody that's so i've probably probably been a bit of a hypocrite but i i i've got a bit particular passion for men that just get out and smash it and like i'm not afraid to like be bloody men and and and we're all being made to be ashamed to be men these days again partly a gender of the sociopaths which we weren't going to talk about so but but you know vinny he came to um acting fame in in was it lock stock and two smoking barrels hence hence this amazing image of him and bloody good credit to the guy you know he went out to make it in hollywood and he's he's um he's got in all kinds of productions and even more credit again he started the hollywood football team um and and and on a on a sort of slightly sadder note he's lost his his wife hasn't he yeah i didn't realize but she was sick at the time of me taking that doing that shoot it was a two day shoot we did um and when you when you look back and you know that he was going through that you think how he handled that bloody well because you know he probably could have cancelled that and walked away from it but he turned up a professional he'd have a chat with him he loves talking like dogs and shooting and shotguns you know that's what he's into you know it's just an interesting guy really um he also does right out of that so he also loves androids which is another thing i quite like so he's a hey i like it james i look forward to the day where i can just drive bloody landrovers around my ranch and shoot shit you know shoot dinner just like like i'll be the podcasting equivalent of hunter s thompson yes so vini yeah i'm um yeah i'm going to be honest a bit of a legend in my life for for me and i i like i like to select my legends you know you've got to have some kind of compass bearing um yeah you have and um to go through the loss of a partner yeah and then come out the others jeez it's just it's it's beyond belief but at least people like vini show that it's possible yeah yeah and that life goes on and that's it you know that is it life goes on um well yeah if you're into landrovers that's a client of mine i didn't send you any picks there's more of a commercial thing but that's his company in um near near froome and Somerset do the most amazing renovations of old classic defenders and just land in the bolt shoot the engine down and reaps spray everything cleaner but brand new 25 year old defenders they are absolutely amazing but they do cost a lot so that's the downside yeah well well let's chat about this after the podcast because i um i'm i'm i really like documentary kind of stuff and this stuff we're working on a documentary at the moment we're going to um track the import of cocaine into the uk from from where it lands in spain when it when it comes up from um i'm i guess i'm you know i'm gonna be honest i don't even know where it lands in spain but i just a lot that comes across from morocco doesn't it yeah it it it does but but when you think morocco you immediately think hashish you know it's going to be hashish but i'm wondering how it gets from south america to that part but probably we bumped into a driver across the sahara about 10 years ago did it twice in an old crappy old car and you meet people on the way because she stopped off at all the places all the over the overlanders are stopping you know the guys doing it in their army trucks might not they got challenged these guys and it did get my mind thinking about this because they were saying there's a route a lot of them come in to not morocco they're coming to the country down there sort of morotania or something like that and then they they can just buy their way up to the spanish to um to the sorry to the north moroccan coast and that's how they find their way into europe it's the easiest way to get into europe from south america because they go straight from south america to spain it's a big gamble you're going to get busted and lose everything whereas they can get into something get into west africa a lot easier a lot less risk and then just uh of course of course straight across to west africa made of bribes exactly yeah you've got your route it's all yes of course and the route there's a road there now but to get from you used to have to go across the actual desert to get from morotania but from i think it's no act shop which is a capital up to the border with western sahara you know that's sort of southern morocco so you see there's no man you just cross in the desert there's no police there there's nothing there's a few tumbleweeds and a couple of a couple of diaries with towels on there it's but um there's a road there now it's i reckon it must probably be easier for these guys now yeah to get to get the product up but yeah so by all means yes speaks to me about landrovers afterwards because that's that sounds like it can make a fascinating uh mini documentary i'm going to go to this this chat james hang on where are we look at that one of my all-time heroes lou faringo no more no less yeah again he's a funny one meeting thinking we shot him for union magazine you know the little project he just let us come and visit him in santimomica he's just sat in his gym for about two hours and he just chatted away to us with a photo shoot he's still massive by the way huge um yeah it's funny he's a bit of an icon maybe of our generation i think if you chat away with somebody in their teenage years they won't look who he is anymore for our friends at home lou faringo was the incredible hulk the original 70s or was it 80s tv series he was also the art i'm not going to say arch rival it's not the right word but arch competitor to arnold swatzenegger back in the the the the um the bodybuilding gays back in california on on um in gold's gym and all this kind of legendary bodybuilding history and there's a famous clip in um pumping iron which was arnold swatzenegger's classic documentary where he goes up to louie and and he's just intimidating him gives what arnold did a lot was just intimidate people not not not not in a like a sick way or anything just like he'd go up to them before competition and go oh look so louie you're not your muscles not looking so big at the moment yeah all right i didn't profess to do impressions guys come on you've got a podcast like just just what more do you want that was quite good it's quite good louie faringo your muscles aren't as big as i should be i still love this star baby i'm getting worse at james aren't i the funny thing is i was showing my son he's tense and um incredible whole clips a couple of weeks ago he thought it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen did he compare it you know the the old 70s one to the marvel ones now you look at you think well how could we find that interesting so the effects were shocking really weren't they when you get back to nice but this time this was so good in in in in the 70s and 80s you just the fact that i can't remember was it david banner he's this tormented man he's the he's the wrong side of a scientific experiment every time he gets angry he goes green and big right i think everyone everybody i don't need to explain that narrative right even young people even my five-year-old knows the incredible hope story right but that bit where he's changing the car wheel and he slips and he graces his knuckle or whatever and then suddenly you see the eyes i think we all fit in that sometimes and he's gonna turn he's gonna turn it's he's when when when my son has a whoopsy right not a whoopsy that sounds like like he's peed on the carpet or something no what i meant is what you know when he when he has a moment like i look at my girlfriend i'm like jen he's hulking out he's hulking out he's hulking out he's don't it's a great it's a great strategy to shut him up actually it's amazing i'm not sure it was funny because he had this massive um bronze hulk bust in his gym i said oh can you get a shot you're holding that and he kind of reached up and plucked it off his really high shelf and he goes do you mind holding it for a second when i just he goes and moves some weights out and he gave me this massive bronze bust with one hand this is like they must have weighed about 25 kilos he's just handed it over yeah strength on a different level yeah i just queued up a portrait there and i'm just going to go back to it because we were talking about louis while i was looking at um um oh yes this gentleman ron jeremy yes my gosh really that wasn't we didn't plan on that shoot we just bumped into him we were covering a um have you ever heard you know what a juggalo is a what sorry a juggalo it's a kind of subculture in america where these people dress up as clients oh right no i i don't think so i thought i had but but maybe not you were started off by a band called the insane client posse back in the 90s it grew into this massive subculture and um they have a festival every year in i think it's in kentucky or something like that so we went to it we just bumped into ron jeremy there he said can we just do a quick interview um and he just sat there i think he was pushing his new um he had a bottle of rum i called ron ron jeremy he was following that so but he's he's kind of personally on grata now isn't he's been in trouble for all sorts of weirdness over the last year well let's just explain to to our younger audience so like who the hell is this guy um he was a massive porn star in the 70s he was he was kind of like um instrumental in in the in the original let's call it the the upsurge of of pornography and this was a guy when whenever you made a reference to porn in the 80s you used to add used to tag ron jeremy's name into it so it's like yeah he's he's hung like ron jeremy and it was famous that ron jeremy had a big big 12 inch dick or something but he says he's not a tractor man isn't he it's like it's the hedgehog face to call him yeah i mean i i think back in the day no disrespect ron if you ever get to to watch this but i think you were a bit more of a handsome starling than than than you possibly are now it's hey come on sailor v it's it's the same for all of us but i think back then you you know you didn't necessarily have to be like massively good looking to be a porn star you just had to be like a bit big and buff and and um you know have the gear down down below and never equipment never thought i'd be having this conversation well that that sheet i mean i think i shot about 10 frames in the back of a trailer at a backstage at the festival and it was just um oh ron jeremy i'm gonna see him again in my life probably so there we go did he give you any tips tips on your love life well weirdly the writer who i was with had met him a few times there was just chatting away because you know it's like wearing little circles you're moving sometimes oh done it again a double clip sorry what about this gentleman simon peg oh yeah i forgot i did that shoot and then somebody reminded me about five five or six months ago it's when you know that show spaced remember that comedy show quite off the wall i this was after i stopped if it was been in the last 20 years i i haven't watched mainstream at all it might even have been the 90s but around 2000 ish it's when comedy was still a bit avant-garde you know it's just it wasn't being censored it could people you could say how you could have stereotypes you could say certain things it's good shows based and i'll shut the whole cast because him and um i forget there's some other well-known actors or comedic or pack they have been in shows like hop fuzz and shawn are the dead and all those kind of things though yeah yeah i saw i saw uh the is it this one there's a group there's a group photo of him and um and his co-stars what was what's his it's going to hate me for saying this but i'm going to use the term sidekick um i've got no names no what'd he call i know the guy he's in hot fuzz isn't he yes yeah and and and he's a legendary out he's he's bloody brilliant i'm just cool apologies if you ever get to watch this it's just i i've got no memory i i'd party for was it 30 years every day now now i've just got enough memory to run a podcast and that's about it but um oh my girlfriend would um nick frost yes nick sorry nick my gosh there we are just just going to the search engine and you've rested nick frost yeah absolutely brilliant actor um obviously he is because he's made all the the the series isn't he and and the what was up what was the vampire one the oh shawn the dead he was in are they're all in them though no zombie what am i talking about vampire zombie sorry shawn the dead yeah and jessica hinds is the girl she's in all those films as well it's not all of them but she pops up and quite a few of the projects and mark heap quite a little gaggle of some friends that they stick together so yeah yes um hang on i'm just going to go back so simon peg yes um did he try and borrow any money off you why'd you ask i just got i got an email from him in the other day and he he was just he wanted to borrow a tenner and i just had to say simon listen mate come on just because i'm uh i'm in the limelight now i'm not i'm you're not you and i would get a control of your finances simon or just just ask somebody else really when we did do that shoot i think it's before he got really big to be honest because it was in a tiny little flat i've been um oh someone like it was up in north islington it wasn't a big place it was his place so it's kind of funny when you see them and they're living normal lives he's hit the Hollywood big time now isn't he yes he's done incredibly well he's done britain proud as an actor and so is this gentleman isn't he ronnie ronnie osullivan look at that what a shot oh yeah yeah ronnie too somebody speaks his mind is that isn't he yeah well he's down to earth isn't he he's no no nonsense guy he's seen a lot of um excuse my french but shit in his life you know that his his doubts been been banged up isn't he and and and he's he's just come come out of it for he's never let himself down he's never he's never been rude or offensive um other than what we all are because we you know we'll we'll have a moment every now and again and as a snooker player i mean is he not the best in the in the world that we've ever known i've got to be honest chris i don't follow snooker that much um yeah just just just say yes then james yeah but you know it's a funny world isn't it snooker because it seems so so it's a quite civilized sport when you see it on tv yeah when you combine snooker halls quite seedy places aren't they sometimes quite um well it's weirdness going on in them it's the hours these guys have to put into practice isn't it it's not if you could just rock up and play a tournament and win it and go home and you know drink a bottle of champagne brilliant but actually what you don't see behind here is 12 hours of practice every single day of their lives you know it's amazing they just hang out in those snooker halls all day every day it's not just i did a shoot years ago in Vegas on a pool hustler so we were hanging around in these pool halls and again it's the same thing like bizarre characters you see coming and going in the corner just they're all night because they're 24 hours these places they don't they don't close yes i'm guessing they'll become home from home so um to friends at home don't hate me because i'm scrolling past your favorite celebrity you know like chris why don't you talk about this guy like bradley wiggins i saw there i mean my god that guy's got a story but what about what about this chap chris evans again chris evans i've shot him is it really is it the picture of him with the um tea sticking out his mouth yeah it looked uh i'll be honest i thought it was a rolly but now you've said that it's a gulf tea i can see what it is yeah it was it's supposed to be a bit of a copy of a michael cayne portrait shot by david bailey i don't know if you remember there's a famous shot of michael cayne we thought we'd do it with them for sevens because of the glasses he looks is he wearing glasses in that picture i can't see i can't see yes yeah um we shot that and it was back in his drinking days when we went to the pub after a pint it's funny he just didn't want us to leave he wanted us to be either drive back to bath we're thinking that somewhere in barkshire um yeah he could have stayed there all day and all night if he wanted to just get hammered with chris evans but it wasn't to be yeah chris has had an interesting career i mean he's he was like massively massively popular wasn't he early 90s with his late night show or his early evening show what what was it called again don't forget what there was a big breakfast wasn't there yeah the big breakfast so it was don't forget your toothbrush then it was the i'm not sure if it's one of the same ones but whether he used to drill a hole into the each guest got given a drill and they had to drill a hole into the desk so this desk as the series went on friends if you know which one we're talking about put it in the comments right um but then of course he went out of favor didn't he massively and you just didn't hear from him we started hanging out with um gaza didn't he went through a phase of drinking with gaza and jimmy five bellies remember yeah gaza jimmy five bellies and the um the other chap um it became a bit of a kind of drinking gang yeah i think that's when his career tailed off a little bit he went to virgin radio i think seems to remember after that yeah went to virgin and then i'm just gonna say this i i feel for people that like end up their careers at the bbc because it just means you're a company man and and and and uh uh you got to put out narratives like the the one that we're seeing at the moment and that that's nothing to be proud you know again it's just this doing it to to stay in the limelight and to get the kudos and it it's uh uh i spoke i spoke to a bbc journalist the other day and we're chris why are you always hammering us i say because i love my freaking son and he comes before you guys do with your lying bloody cheating sculpt the weird thing is though my two kids they're 14 and 10 they don't watch any tv any all in youtube they watch their favorite youtube is all so i do wonder what the future is these big networks if kids aren't watching it now i mean does that mean that when they grow up their viewership's just kind of be gone i it's just they're just not interested in watching the bbc or itv or channel four or you know so this gets a tricky future ahead for these these big broadcasters yes youtube just comes with its own set of um questions for a parent and problems and things that you've got to negotiate you know my son my son um you know my son watches a lot of youtube he's he's very young but we're kind of like my my the best part of my childhood was when i got to about 14 and i moved in with my dad right and there were no rules i could go when i want come back when i want i was always if you went out with your mates even on a school night i'll be the last one home and i tell you what it wasn't just brilliant especially that i'd come from living with my mom and a stepfather that was a bit of a mentalist so it was it was like freedom for me but even at that young age i just loved that freedom i love just and by freedom like my dad was treating me like an adult and and there were no like you know there were no like phony restrictions on me that just didn't really make sense that just when my parents said i've got to make you be in bed by 10 o'clock so i'm gonna do that too it was none of that and um so with our son we've tried to take a the line of like i want him to be educated you know i want him to kind of you find his way around a tablet because this is the life that they're gonna live right i don't i don't want him to be a technical biff he's like dad how do i blooming how do i i do get into settings it's you know i want him to be teaching me that stuff right because i don't want him to struggle in life i want him to get out and have stuff like yeah yeah it's just easy you just do it like this right yeah you want to scroll through this blah blah blah blah but of course off the back of giving someone a tablet early they get the children's youtube and it's it's not always good in fact he likes sorts youtube on our big tally because i think he gets more of an adult content and by that i mean these american teenagers that are just all multimillionaires now because they correctly yeah they mean yeah but i do sit him down and explain to him that i'll say son you know these kids that they're very they live a very um uh what's the word you know not spoiled lifestyle but they're very lucky you know and what are they doing they're they're going into a shop they're spending thousands of dollars on plastic crap then they're taking it into the beautiful wilderness smashing it all up right because none of them have got any technical skills they've never had you know their dad's never shown them how to use a saw and a hammer and an axe like like like my generation were to or many of my generation were to and instead they go out and try and build these contraptions that are just utter shit like masking tape and and all of that sun ends up in the ocean all that plastic ends up in the ocean killing the beautiful fish and why just to make a 30 minute youtube video that that makes these guys millionaires and well yeah not sure i was not sure how we got into youtube from your wonderful photography but um okay let's go to these guys oh uh what have we got here is it rod stewart is that ronnie wood ronnie wood and um what's he called kenny jones kenny jones of course yes so the faces that did a get together last summer last summer very hell year last year doesn't even count anymore does it 2019 because i just written last year um yeah it's 2019 you're gonna get together gig sort of come back to charity things so i was lucky enough to go and shoot their portrait after the uh after the concert we know the three remaining members of that fan again i don't know how many people watching this know who the faces are they know what your age demographic is but they're a pretty big deal in that time oh oh huge um yes i mean that before our time probably but kind of rolling stones before them really weren't they but yeah the faces was it the small faces they were called or was it the faces i can't know the faces and i think they became the small faces didn't they they were like a mod a mod band weren't they yeah yeah yeah these bands sort of changed their names over the years like jesson aeroplane and jesson starship and but they are they they morphed around a little bit james listen i i could look at your photos forever i think i think let's see what our audience response is to this this this video because i bet a lot of them are like why don't you ask him about that celebrity christ um but no i it would be rude not to finish off with talking about your story um and i think what it would be great to ask you is how how did you get into all this um and also how has the technology gone because i think i mentioned to you earlier like this thing here my blooming samson you can record 4k video you can take images that are just out of this world and then edit them on the phone to make them look even more out of this world and um yeah it's an interesting landscape isn't it well it's amazing when you think about your smartphone and when i was working down the south coast during um sports we we kind of what i say i want i want to take credit for it by using it one of the photographers i work with simon created this thing it was like a sort of um tank with a kettle element shoved in the bottom so it heats up the developer the chemicals so when you shot film you could brush back to your car kind of get a big bag out the hand in his bags or kind of sealed he could load your film up into these spools you could develop it in these things in the boot of your car this was kind of kind of groundbreaking stuff and then within 25 minutes you could have the film developed fixed and dried and then you could rush back into the sports to the ground to stadium you can scan it through this big scanner that attached to your mac so within an hour in theory after the match you could get all the pictures developed and wired off to the picture desks and then you think now what you're doing is taking a picture going share it's gone and it's better quality it's amazing isn't it i'm only talking 25 years ago we were doing this you know maybe 26 but yeah it's unthinkable technology you have now that how times have have changed yes it amazes me how we ever managed to capture an image in the old days when you had the old the little camera that you went yeah i know when you sent the film off to be developed they they they send you a free film with in the return envelope and you had what either 24 or 36 shots depending on which which film you bought well sometimes as well 12 yeah and you and you had to you have to get it right so you know i went on a well i've traveled a lot but i've been in new york as a 19 year old first sort of big holiday having dinner on windows on the world on top of the world trade center and seeing Rockefeller plaza and and the big the big famous um the the big famous toy shop and all the things to do in new york and yeah when i look at those pictures now i'm just so glad i got what i got but i know that if i was to do that trip again every photo wouldn't just be one right yeah that's good it would be oh hang on no no let's do that again right hang on oh oh god i cut cut the guy's legs i'll hang on go back a bit back a bit right that's right okay yeah that's and you don't even delete them now do you you keep all of them and you yeah it's funny you say about new york when you were night what year was that because new york was a dump in those days wasn't it you look back to the sort of early 90s so i don't know how old you are chris then i first went to new york for some mates on holiday in 1993 but for two weeks yeah i think i was there in in not just there in 90 or 91 i think it was people will say well why are you going to new york because it was a bit of a byword for it was a dangerous city wasn't it in those days yeah you wouldn't cross the bridge into brooklyn but that looking over your shoulder in a few minutes whereas now you cross the brooklyn bridge it's it's like hipster though isn't it but most cameras again it's all those little 120 um what are they called the little 12 for a photographic well they're called the tiny ones bear in mind they were revolutionary at the time because until then people used to have things like sort of stuff like this right end of the 1950s yeah you know and you just have to sit there and you focus it on the side and set your aperture and everything so the those um little insomatic cameras were kind of made it easy in a way so only how it changes so quickly if you look at the exponential rise are we going to be in 20 years time you know we're going to have cameras in our eyes or we're just going to have a visor on all the time just taking pictures and recording everything let's get into the point of being quite freaky really isn't it how much we're recording do you ever get to this situation james where you've taken you know let's just say i don't know how many you take i mean maybe a hundred snaps of your subject have i am i supposed to say snaps is that that's fine graph finely crafted photographs okay so you're taking like a hundred shots and is it ever like ah damn i just didn't get the one i just didn't get that one can happen can happen yeah but then sometimes it wasn't that long ago i was shooting on medium format cameras where you have 10 frames to roll and if you only have three backs the back is where you had a pre-loaded roll of film really if you only have 10 minutes you only have three backs you only shoot 30 frames and that'd be a rush because it's quick you know and it's um yeah it's easy sometimes you can overshoot and by overshooting you're not really getting into it you know you just flash flash flash flash so it's it depends depends on the person you're shooting as well because sometimes they don't want to be there you could shoot all day and you wouldn't get anything to do with this and then you get someone who's happy to try and give you because you know how like an interview you said before the podcast you said you want to get you want people to open up and give you something well that's what a portrait's like really isn't it you know someone just puts on their game face and just does this what do you get you know all you can hope to get from that is a well-lit picture whereas you want to try and and coke something out of them and that's that's where it's hard it really is is that's is it is it annoying that any Tom Dick and Harry these days you know if they've got a smart phone can say take photographs but you think you know what I mean you know that you can take a photo on that phone and then you can enter it in a competition and and and there's you and I well know there's like a massive amount more to photography than just go and click and you know but is that a sort of you know doesn't really clash with my world about really you know because lots of photography is right place right time isn't it so if you happen to be in the middle of a Berlin winter market Christmas market when a truck goes down it you've got the video footage you've got the pictures that's the best camera in the world isn't it because it's the one that's taking pictures at the right time when you happen to be looking over the um summer set levels when the you know because you're up walking the dog when the clouds all though just there aren't you right place right time I don't really do that sort of work so it's never really bothered me because most of my work is quite considered set up you know you go to a place at a certain time you get 10 minutes for the person you get an hour or you get you know you're covering an event like a festival or you're hanging out with some cult members in some sort of religious compound somewhere you know it's a different sort of thing really are you are you allowed to say who's been the biggest like idiot that you've had to work with yeah other than yes I can um Bruce Forsythe I have to say it really really horrible yeah just a tricky guy hey let's talk bad about the dead come on that's he was just rude I don't mind saying it because he's not with us anymore but I mean he wasn't very nice to me and he wasn't very nice to his wife either and that's the fun thing that annoyed me the most um do you think that's because he came from that generation where they're just their egos were just played to they you know I don't know I mean he was a big name wasn't he for so many years he never really knew what it's like to not to not be a celebrity yeah and that must be a real danger when you achieve that level of fame but um if anyone's at Thorin like from Eric Merley he was a big tv star wasn't he a proper Saturday night host of all the big game shows and talent shows and all new name it um yeah he was just a bit of a prickly guy I didn't you know unnecessarily rude to his wife and to me and the journalist too there aren't many most people are professional I would say I've come across some um nothing doing more repotage you start to come across some odd people doing doing what doing what I'm doing the repotage you know when you're covering stories or covering you come across but you then you deliberately seek them out because they're odd so I don't you go into it with full knowledge that someone's going to be a bit tricky yeah I mean what about the voodoo stuff you've covered that is just that's another side of life oh santeria yeah yeah can I just it just sorry to interject again with the old you know what's going on in the world stuff but you know if people think that all this symbolism stuff is like there's no place for it it's weird it's just conspiracy hang on we we got to remember there's people that practice voodoo in the world it's the fastest growing religion is voodoo black magic um yeah I was we were told that the fastest growing religion in LA was santeria would you like you say it's voodoo by another name really isn't it it's it's it's a kind of African religions crossed with a bit of Catholicism came out of um Cuba mostly but with a West African influence Dominican Republic around there um yeah that's weird it's very odd you don't you know so um what was the chap like that you photographed it was a chap wasn't it yeah two guys who ran a I don't know what you call it like a it's not not called a church it's not called a temple I forgot my name there but the funny thing was it was very popular with celebrities this religion so lots of celebrities trying you'd be buying your way in you buy you buy favors from the spirits you buy ceremonies you buy potions and they're supposed to do certain things of sorts I mean I don't believe in anything like that but it's a funny thing that it seems to be um popular amongst the Hollywood elite the santeria um place whatever you want to call it they're they're all going to be into you know they're into their cabala aren't they and they're blooming masonry and and I'll tell you what for anybody listening freedom it's just way more valuable just be yourself yeah it don't need to buy into anybody else's potion just be yourself it's such a it's so rewarding to live and know that nobody's got a handle on you you don't belong to this church if you I'm I'm not talking about you know people that that use the wonderful story of Jesus Christ as a sort of guideline in their life you know I I probably well I certainly do too but I just mean I'm not member of any church any cult any any just the cult of youtube but it's funny though when you look at it if you break it down we're all primates again the day aren't we and we have semi-programmed behavior that we form hierarchical structures we form little tribal groups that's kind of what religions are in a way isn't it we kind of find our place to these hierarchical structures we look at to a leader to tell us what to think and what to do so when you look at Santeria it's all part of a feeling of belonging and a feeling of you you're part of this tribe of tribe of santeria and it's the same for the church of Scientology isn't it it's the same for all these things it's people seeking out meaning seeking out a sense of belonging and then they program to be hierarchical everything's hierarchical from a family structure up to a business to a government to a school you name it you look at any institution it's hierarchical so we do and then but if you are not of that mindset it's quite tricky to live isn't it if you're not so if you can recognize these hierarchical structures and you don't want to be part of one life doesn't really work for you that well there's it's a tricky yeah I'm surreptitious I mean it might surprise people to learn but I've been involved in one two three I've been involved in four four cults now right people immediately vision me with like dressing a white sheet and chanting some devil stuff or so I mean no it it if you want to use the the the the definition of what constitutes a cult so I was brought I was brought up you know in in in the church right again I mean no disrespect to anybody out there but the the very much operate along along the principles of like you're either with us or or you're sort of not that's just a very terrible analogy folks it's going to get me in trouble I can see it but but yeah you know the church and then of course I was involved in the military which again is a kind of what you're going to leave oh don't leave mate no don't there's nothing out there for you you just you know you know it people listeners are going to go what the miniatures are called this guy's an idiot it's like no dude like learn learn what you know learn look I don't mean like it's I don't even know what I mean but the there was that and then um I was involved in network marketing believe it or not a network marketing again very much has this influence this cult like influencing some more than others some not not all network markets in some are just genuine like opportunities right but I spent time with people from a company called amway and oh my god you've never met such indoctrination such false hopes sold to these these these individuals right and then finally I actually was in um was in an organization in Norway when I did my volunteer work so when I worked in Mozambique and I I drove journalists to Africa and back um the organization in in Scandinavia was like a massive cult um they actually had not so much for those of us that were just volunteering but the core group within this organization that managed everything was literally run along the lines of a cult you know they had a comm communal money um if if anybody ever broke the rules the rest of the the team would get around them and just be like right you've done this and you've done what have you got to say are you sorry are you sorry and like they would batter you into you went yeah yeah like I'm I'm sorry guys all and okay right now now you can come back it was like like the life of Brian or something it was um but uh yes so um we are funny aren't we as human animals we're just so susceptible to these influences in our lives and I think you could you could stick a hundred people strangers on a desert island and within a year they'd form little groups gowns here and as the hundred group the groups would grow and they'd probably end up flying as well yeah and what one group would uh be wearing their underpants on their face and so they didn't infect others with this uh all right let's not go there but yes what a crazy species we are you know we should just live and let live we're like stand back and look in because when you take a really broad view on what's happening and what's happened in the past is a pattern you can see God you know we're not always right often the majority of people are very very wrong and get things wrong all the time and it's the it's I'm not saying well I don't know any names but still often it's the brave soul he speaks up it is right it might he might not even be recognised for it get acknowledgement it might be the wave that comes after you know it's it's that um people don't like to put their head above the parapet do they have the problem get shot at get shot at James listen this has been just one of the most fascinating chats I've had in my life absolutely amazing James thank you so much thank you I've got a feeling like we're gonna chat again um what how can people hire your services or commission you what how does all this work um my website jamescheedle.com look below the video folks I'm going to put a link to James's website or if you're listening on iTunes just um you'll find James I'm sure in a in a search engine we did have a youtube channel ourselves but you know how you're saying how it's a tricky platform you gave up on it because everything's getting taken down all the time did you look I don't know it's called union features we have union magazine actually we would just shoot video at some of our stories but because I I I I did you quite as a terror some of it some of it's just basic reporting but some of it so we just gave up it was just we put all this effort into doing these videos and traveling to the states or wherever we'd go and then you get back and you put it up and it's just gone taken down for two days later so you know but yes um we did come some pretty tricky subjects mind you um you know this is the thing you know did any does anything ever good come from censorship it's I I'm gonna say I I I you know there's a difference between having rules you know people abusing other people I mean that's not good people hurting children or animals you know that that shouldn't be put up with but people just having freedom of speech as as as adults when that starts getting censored you you know you're you're you're living under totalitarianism and it's not going to be good and some people hint hint try to like what warn us about this um I'm I'm the same I'm a free speech absolutist I don't mean anything that's insightful but I think the best way to beat bad ideas is with good ideas I don't think you beat bad ideas by by signixing the person saying it I think you just no yeah but you put in a problem away for a later date that's all you do bad ideas don't go away by censorship any good ideas to to Trump that's what I think no pun intended so James just stay on the line so I can thank you properly um just want to put a big shout out uh and dedicate this podcast to Ian Brown just a living legend for for standing out standing out putting himself in the in the firing line so to speak but just an absolute legend and I want to thank you personally to our friends at home um could you please put in the comments which of the celebrities that we didn't look at would you have wanted us to talk about um and why and massive love to you all you're all legends thank you for supporting the podcast and we'll see you next time guys