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Sometimes they republish old articles But it brought up an exercise that I've actually done in the past And I haven't done a long time or forgot about what's that one guy that writes for them It's his last name like thibbidao the bow or yeah smart dude Yeah, I really like to tip it out and I think he was the author of it But it was a bicep exercise. All right, so let me explain so people know what I'm talking about So obviously the bicep flexes the elbow. So we know that right curl But a lot of people don't realize that the bicep supernates the hand too So this is a offset cable curl.  Have you seen have you seen? I don't know if there's a name for it either where you where you just grab the dumbbell one side it Yeah on one side more So you have to kind of to try and keep it level and balanced right throws a little bit more of that That squeeze on the wrist pronation. Oh, yeah, so I was messing around I do a little bit of that with the cable Yeah, the squeeze is I've never done it with a cable the squeeze isn't so you just basically you take the handle And instead of grabbing the actual handle you grab like the canvas part that attaches the handle So it's like this and then the cable comes out on the pinky side, right? Okay, so it's like if I curl it without supinating it would be a hammer curl, right?  Are you going back to a neutral grip? Yes, okay, so you go back to a neutral grip and then you and I supinate on the way up Okay, but that extra resistance at the top especially at the very very top You can't go very heavy. Yeah. Have you seen Chris Duffin's like dumbbell. It's like three pronged Oh, yeah And it's interesting kind of like the same concept as those those uh almost those bells that you put your right, right? Yeah, somewhat like that and it gives like this totally different loading sort of on the top in the back of the arm Like so it has sort of like an asymmetrical asymmetrical kind of a load to it. It looked interesting I I thought it looks like you could actually because it has like three if I'm That's the one that has like three three different handles Yeah, it's three different handles. So I think you can grab like in it. You can grab on it on the outside You've seen those bells before I were you the bell is like it looks like a big metal Like boxing glove or something. Yeah. Yeah, so but it's like a mega man So his His gives you that weight distribution there But then also in other places too because you grab in like three different, you know what those his I don't know. Did he yeah, I think he came out of those. He had that and then the the shoulder rock. There you go it's called the Caillou bell But it's kind of spelled with q bell q bell. Yeah q bell You know what that reminds me of the way he spelled it It reminds me of hoggin does like a lot of people don't realize hoggin does american brand american brand that tried to look foreign Yeah, like we're gonna make it look like it's some foreign. You charge all the money put some oom la's on there You're ready to go. Yeah I mean doubles the sales. Yeah, you know, it's do you can charge more expensive? This is engineering from norway, so let me just see how he has his yeah interesting You know a lot of people don't I mean we never really think about this, right? Because we're used to dumbbells barbells and cables But where the weight is loaded like for example, here's another great exercise Because kettlebells have specific exercises But sometimes if you adapt kettlebells to bodybuilding exercises, you get a very different feel sure For example kettlebell flies with the weight on the outside of your hand And then you bring it down and the weight obviously the way that it's distributed you get more tension Higher I love the pull of that. You know this it really like enhances that stretch portion of the lift Well or even shoulder presses, which I think you normally always do show You rarely and I mean when you have the kettlebell resting on the back of the wrist It helps pull you in that that natural position that you should be in right because everybody's kind of forward And so if you have a dumbbell It's everyone's gonna have this tendency to press forward whereas the weights distributed on the back It kind of has this natural pull you back which puts you in a I think a better line I remember years ago, dude working out in a neighbor's garage We had a neighbor who let's see I was 15 maybe and he was it is 50s, but he used the body build back in the day And you know we we knew each other and he knew that I started working out and I was really into it And so he goes oh, you should you know come lift in my garage or whatever I went in his garage and he had the most old school weights I've ever seen He had dumbbells where the the ends of them were round Like the ones you see in cartoons. Oh, really?  Yes. That's what those were his dumbbells amazing and they were so Weird, right? Yeah, but also cool. No, I love those like you know the cartoons We got the the bomb that's just like has like a little wick, you know, it's always like this cannonball thing Did you notice the lift speaking of cartoons? Did you know what an anvil was when you watch cartoons? Or did you think dude the anvil was always come from the sky Smashing people I remember the first time I actually saw an anvil I was on a job with my dad and there was an anvil there and I looked at it and then it dawned on me That's what they're throwing in the cartoon. What are they? What are they primarily used for? Hammering shaping metal. Oh, I thought it was always a counterweight. No, it's a blacksmith blacksmith Yes, so they they form and fashion like uh, I don't know what kind of metal. Oh, yeah, you're right Horseshoes Yeah horseshoes Yeah, old tools are really cool. I also thought it was used as a counter way You know Mike the original reason for Mike great grandfather was a blacksmith in Montana. Really? Yeah. Wow Interesting, so he'd like horseshoe. I guess so. Yeah. Oh, that's really cool. I didn't know him That was a very specialized skill back in the day one that you pass on to your kids and and so on That is really really. Have you ever seen a horse kit shoot? You see that on tv Now they drive the nails like into their like into their foot. It looks so like it looks like it hurts It does it doesn't hurt him. I my dad had an old level So, you know the the current levels that most people use it's got the little bubble in the middle You know the little thing with water and there's a bubble. Isn't that mercury for a while? I don't know But I know it's I don't know right, but we know what that looks like and then they now they use lasers and stuff My dad had one that had a hanging pendulum So they call that a plum line. Yeah, it's like a plum line and then he talked about what was that for leveling Okay, and then he talked about The how they would level big big big big floors And the way they would do it is I'm gonna butcher this is they would fill a tube with water And half water half air and then they'd line the this tuba they put the tube all the way across the floor And use the water level as a way to level the entire I don't know Oh, so you could see how the water set so that was there's more to it I'm sure is that because we didn't have like level I mean we had levels back when your dad was doing so like that It was it just we didn't have the that's the way they would do big big floors when he was a kid And yeah, so there's the plum line right there. Oh, yeah, yeah So like a lot of the stuff is ancient Uh technology like the romans they made aqueducts that brought water from the alps All the way down to Rome zero plumbing and it was all through balance. It was all through gravity All the way up from up there to and some of them to this day still bring water And the Romans had it down they were they were pretty pretty ahead of their time You wonder who's smarter us who like our like our era, you know that builds upon Is stuff like this or the first person to come up with that? Well, that's the thing think of the think of the mind focus Yeah, think of the mind you had to have when you're like building a building or you're putting together building a house back Then you need straight lines like how do I like and you have no you didn't have the Come on from scratch Yeah, and and create something like that If you ever go to Rome and you get a tour of the coliseum, they'll explain like how uh, they they used to have They would be able to produce shade in there They could fill it with thousands of people and get thousands of people out within like 40 minutes or something like that They could flood it with water for for mock naval battles. Yeah, I mean it's all like wild Are you guys watching the speaking of like technology and building and stuff like that? Are you guys staying up on the like the 3d printing on houses and stuff? You know, there's more and more of these communities that are really yeah Yeah, no last I saw was I think it was in Mexico. They're starting to kind of like try to make more affordable housing I want to say it's in three us states now. Maybe Doug can fact check me. I think that's what I saw I was watching I was actually talking to My my mom's husband and her were up here up visiting And we were just talking about random stuff like that We're just talking about the housing market this night and I said, you know One of the things that I think is really interesting as we're seeing this rapid growth in Or the price of the house just get keep going and going and getting crazy At the same time, we're also, you know getting more advanced with these 3d printing houses and right now they can print like a whole house for like 10 grand That's crazy.  I think it's like a concrete. It is well It's like a type of concrete, but they you it's it's pliable for like the first 24 hours So it like because right now so, I mean and here's the thing right so they have to and I don't know what the like right now It's probably not realistic and feasible to do this a bunch right. We're at this still the early stages Because I mean just setting up the 3d printer Is like an ordeal right because if the 3d printer is on and think about you're building a house out on some dirt And like it has to be so perfectly level or just think about that what would do the house So in order to to 3d print an entire house that you have to it'll turn into tim burton house Yeah, so it's still it still looks a little You know wonky and a little ugly, but I mean it's there. There it is. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly it people Okay People really doff serve. I had a client that was really into this tech This was maybe five years ago no longer eight years ago And he was explaining to me how 3d printing is going to completely change everything completely Now obviously the tech has to get there, but imagine if you look how close it is already. Oh, yeah And now that's on a track. That's a huge machine. Imagine when these are mobile machines communicating with each other And they're driving around and 3d printing Shit for yeah, imagine when you you'll be able to just okay get 100 acres and download the plan Yeah, download the plan and just go all sudden, you know, 500 houses get built on that And then provide housing for like super dirty, you know that they also can 3d print Like tissues they'll 3d print cells so they could start so and they're talking about in the future How they'll be able to 3d print organs based off of your cells right so they could print you a heart a liver You know, whatever Officer or another one is where they'll be able to 3d print drugs So on a molecular level they'll be able to create the cool stuff your own, you know, have you seen that before done I haven't yeah, isn't that cool super cool.  I'm like, oh, yeah No, we're 3d printing houses now Yeah, and I mean obviously that the 3d printer works around the clock So once you start it and set it you everyone goes home and it just thing just keeps building I started paying attention because there was like this competition where A few of these companies were trying to get the contract for mars. Oh, I saw that. Did you see that? I did Yeah, so they were all competing to try and see which was the most efficient and could withstand the most You know crazy elemental forces and everything. Yeah, because you can't make a mistake Like one mistake and you're done.  I mean was it like they would they would smash it with something like like some kind of like I don't know if it's a crane was like dropping something on top of the house To see how much pressure it would take before the thing broke And there's like two that stood out and then one got the contract So what'll be interesting to me is what this does to like a regular house, right? So when this happens and this has got to be Five maybe 10 years out tops before this is realistic before this can be right now It is definitely not going to be up to the standard of a custom house that's built for you by hand But so do you think that it will just create this crate? Like that'll become like like they have a house that's built by hand It'll be still really really expensive or you can go like no or do you think it'll bring them closer together? Where it'll bring the house built by hand way down. Okay. Look at cars, right? So cars a lot of mass produced cars are automated But the really expensive ones, right? You go buy a ferrari. What's one of the selling handmade hand crafted hand stitched All that stuff. Yeah, but mass production is all you know through machines So I would imagine that it would be mass production of homes that especially high density housing Yeah, that they'll just print high denser. That's what I'm saying. So you think that they'll still be so it'll still be a huge discrepancy in price It's not kind of just because it now will have hundreds or thousands more affordable homes for people It doesn't mean that that the the ferrari price will come down. It'll still stay up there because it's it's hand That's what I think That's would be neat. I mean imagine that I just I see this and I think you know Especially being in california with the the homeless crisis, you know, I think that Imagine if we could just have a find somewhere where we could build a hundred of these suckers Get rid of the bureaucracy first. I don't know Why you got a poop on my face? I want to be all I want to be all positive. I love innovation, bro apparently are uh, yeah for government So I wanted to give some kudos to Andrew. Well two things first. He won a bet this morning So he did so he's a younger generation, right? So he's he's compared to us.  So I come out and I'm like, if you know what movie this is, I'll give you five bucks Didn't realize the freaking movie I On the shirt, but if I cover the name here and you see that which I mean you guys remember Amity, I don't think I would have got that if it didn't say jaws right on But I like Andrew.  Hey, do you know what this is great written right there? Also, I want to give him kudos because uh, Andrew being part of the executive team yesterday was part of his first heated You know, I was like a level five. I think we discussed it Yeah, you know, I want to say this one thing I appreciate about uh about you guys a lot is that we can have those conversations and they're still productive And people don't feel like they can't share how they feel or whatever And that was his first one that he was a part of and you know as we're doing our thing I'm sure he's sitting back there like I can see him in the court I can see him in the corner of my eye like a couple times. Go. Am I should I get up and leave? Or she said Am I supposed to be in here over one of these or whatever you sit back down?  It's gotten to level 10 before Just so you know, well that the truth is I mean, that's the one thing that I've actually always loved about this team It's why we've worked. Uh, I think it and it's we've made it I think one of the number one things when I talk to somebody about this business now What we seven almost eight years or whatever we've been doing this together is they go, there's four of you guys I know how to get along. Yeah, how does that work like who decides what and this You know, that's but and that used to happen a lot We have that's been a long time since we actually have had like a yeah back and forth and but I love it I mean, I really do and I love that Nobody takes that stuff personal like it's not it's never about I'm mad at you you're mad at me or anybody's mad at each other It's like, dude, let's get better. I want to win.   Yeah Like that's I mean, I it's a mark Cuban and you know, there's a lot of people that that that operate that way And I think that we do and I really appreciate that the root is You know and trust that everybody's goal is the same, right? Although maybe there's different opinions on what's gonna get there Ultimately what matters most is the goal, right? I think this is even the secret to like a successful marriage If you look at old couples who've been together for a long time exactly. I was thinking about when you just said that Yeah, like, you know new couples often have to figure this out Then at some point when you've been together a long time You trust that you both on the same page and it's less personal It's more like yeah, I'm mad and I disagree But I trust that we're both on the same page We all do that so we can all fire at each other But I know that you know Adam's just not being it's not Adam just being mean or just than just being whatever It's like, okay, we all have the same goal. I'm whatever a lot He's so whatever today Speaking of whatever dude, did you did you take your pure this morning because yesterday Wouldn't you have your brain for that you haven't had that in a long time No, wait was no it was two days ago because it was Wednesday You know, it's funny. I didn't say I'm sharp today I didn't say anything to you after you did it But I actually had that like a week or two I think I actually mentioned you guys that I was having like cloudiness And I noticed the same thing too. So that's really interesting to happen to you right after It could be a little bit of the sleep. It could be this and that but I dude I I swear every time though if I'm like intentional about uh, you know Like hydrating and then getting pure before I even do the podcast I'm so much sharper. Yeah, and I kind of brought that up tongue-in-cheek like, you know, some Some bit of a commercial opportunity, but like it's real like it's one of those things where I'm like It became you know between me having coffee Obviously, we all know how addicted I am But that's one of those things that like helps me at least stay sharper and my memory recalls better Yeah, you know what it reminds me of I know the brain is not like a Really like a computer. It's obviously far more complex and different But it reminds me of when you go to open a program and your computer And it just freezes for a second. It's like that's happened to me where I'm I'm thinking of something There's like a lag. Yes. I'm like, huh? And then all of a sudden it's like your brain's like, all right We're gonna here comes the the little hourglass thing or the you know what the the move is what Justin did Which is just to say it like if the past I would I would freeze Yes, and just lock up and then I remember I used to do a coughing attack like that Would get me out of it I didn't know that's what you did Yes, you do remember remember when we were on the one the well, you didn't know that's a good move Well, it was right. So remember when we were uh, I should have thought that remember when we were touring down Honey, who's texting you right now? Oh, oh Oh man, we were in uh la this is actually this was when sal and I went down to la by ourselves. Oh, yeah That's right. I remember now we were doing a little tour right of like Podcasts and it was early days And we're just doing a lot of them and we we've got to a luke story that's who was interviewing us And yeah, if you've been around long enough, you you could probably go back and have heard this But I was like, yeah mid-thought and I lost it and then They gave me water and stuff, but it was really I I fucking lost my train of thought Completely lost my train of thought and no idea where I was going. You're brilliant. I'll say something I just get stuck there like oh god Can I just tell you how impressed I remember that specifically because I thought for sure Because we went and got him water and everything I drank the water and then we were all good And then afterwards on my down that sucks that you started coughing is like I didn't because I forgot what I was to say I remember I remember going.  That's really smart.  I'll just I'm going somewhere. I'm gonna talk about something Take a laugh. Where are you going? But the move is actually really where you did which is just like man I just lost my train of thought and then one of us know to insert and come right away You guys normally like, you know take over and hammer me about it and it becomes this whole thing But like yeah, I was like I've learned to just address the fact of what's going on like real time That way it just doesn't make it is crazy awkward.  I have a crazy awkward conversation for you guys or just a topic to talk about So Katrina sent us to me. This is in our backyard here. Los gatos. I don't know if anybody's listen what saw the news yesterday for This mom is 47 or not a mom 47 year old lady Los gatos lady And she now lives in Idaho, but they're they're they're coming after her right now Because she was using snapchat to lure teenage kids to her place like 14 to 17 years old And encouraging them to get drunk and drink and have sex and I saw this it was in los gatos Yes, it was in los gatos like she was just putting them together Yes, so it started with her just like, you know talking and I actually didn't see what she looked like I'm assuming she was probably an attractive lady and she was like flirting with them and getting them enticing them Come to house letting them know that they can drink underage and stuff like that And then bringing them condoms and stuff and encouraging them to have it was worse than that There was a part where there was a girl and she was like really drunk and she had and she brought a Multiple she an understudy of just lane max. Well, what's happening dude?   No, this is an evil 14 to 16 This is an evil person that did evil or just weird and twisted like just That's her right there. Oh, there's I haven't seen her yet. Can I tell you something right now? She looks like a person that would do that I mean, I don't know. I just look at her face right now.  Let's help with that She's definitely suspect right vicki. What are you doing? You know what I'm saying? If you keep your hair like that your suspect is fucked, right? Wow. Yeah, isn't that crazy? I don't know the picture of the house. I don't know if you can see her house, dude But it looks like she had like a mansion. So it looked like she had this bad. Oh, is that her house? Yeah, it looks like oh, that's not the way she's in prison.  Look at her. This all just happens.  This just happened.  She's evil and you know, what's weird I feel like more and more picture I saw yeah, well lost gatos is that's lost gatos high school, dude I've never been there. Yeah, I work my studio was in lost gatos. So I worked there for about 16 years. Okay, isn't that crazy though, dude So it seems like more and more these predators are women I never remember reading about women being predators, but I read about this teacher Who had this teenage student of hers? She preferred form fallatio on them. I read another one that was sleeping with the student and It's more and more. It's the it's women that are doing this at these ages Yeah, and maybe that's not new. Maybe just now it's easier to catch somebody. I doubt that was reported. Yeah, it's gonna say I'm probably not reported if you're a 15 year old boy and your hot older teacher is trying to get you to do things like I mean, let's be honest.  So of course And that's probably so right I would think that this has always happened But because the way social media is and and the way kids can gossip virtually now I think that that's stuff like this probably surfaces pretty quick and I don't even remember What I don't know if you read on the article or not or you did because you read it sounds like How she got caught. I don't even know.  Yeah She's crazy. Yeah, it sounds like she's just a little a little twisted. Was she married or what was her husband? No, I don't think she was married, but I just saw that in that while Yeah, it was super wild dude that I would I would beat the lady if this was my kid that went over there I'm sorry to say that but holy cow, man.  Anyway, it's making me angry I got a funny article to bring up. I'm gonna change the energy a little bit They did a study that showed Justin. You're gonna love this I got something that Justin will love too. Really? Yeah, November 9th, uh, Evan Essence is coming to San Jose I'm special, I'm there or I'm gonna say already front row tickets. Evan Essence is good, bro. I'm with you on that I don't I mean you just I know you'll get caught rolling your window down singing it out loud I love it when I get in his car sometimes, you know, the radio turns on automatic whatever You know the funny part about that with Justin is it's it's one extreme or the other It's either death metal like where it's like Or it's like Evan Essence, we'll see rocky from living sacrifices or guitarists. I feel like somewhat vindicated Evan Essence is good. Yeah, I like that. No, no, I agree too. So I got another one for you. So this is a study Uh, that was done on class clowns Okay, like people have according to science Wait, were you now were were you guys admitted? Are you guys class clowns? Were you in school? I was I was probably one of the class clowns YouTube yeah, I'm Justin for sure right for sure. Yeah, I mean, that's the only time I got sent the principal Yes, yeah, same here.  So we I had a journalism class And the teacher was a hater. She was such a Whatever she was just a mean person and wasn't paying attention Would show up late to class all the time big lady, right? Well, anyway, she showed up 10 minutes late or 15 minutes of class like she would often do which was annoying And she would come in super flustered Again big lady So she came in and just would burst the door open because she was like she burst the door open She's wearing this big red shirt And I said, oh, yeah Oh Wow, wow I got sent to the principal That's mean, dude. That's bad. I got a that class. Oh, yeah She like if she didn't get it at first and then she got it We did the last time I got sent to the principal's office that I remember was uh in our chemistry class And uh, you know in in in chemistry you guys remember there was always like videos It was for us like once a week There was like a video that we'd watch and I uh, this was like the the era of universal remotes started having So I had bought a universal remote and I'd be in the back of the classroom and I would change the channel So he would he would put it on and then he'd go sit down and then I would change the channel Go quick and then he'd go back up and do it about five times of doing that before he realized somebody was out There and changed the channel. I got I got busted for that. There's so many of them. I can't talk about Yeah, I'll talk to you guys later Can't make the podcast. Yeah, but one of them was like and and two now in today's climate and everything like especially like Oh my god, I had one of them. I was just so bored and we were sitting in class and we had to read like It wasn't hamlet.   Yeah, they'll ask a question So what's the answer to you know number 45 sal You know and catch me off guard thinking that I wouldn't know well I always knew so so I was talking with some some girl Teachers like well sal. So what do you think about blah blah blah thinking I wouldn't know So I stand up and I give a great answer and she looks at me like oh and I said you can't mess with me son kicked out So So according to scientists that class clown from seventh grade may have been the brightest kid in the room It turns out that humor ability and overall intelligence are tightly linked in middle school age children according to research published in the international journal Of humor research So the quote is we were particularly interested in the quality of humor made by children But evaluated by adults Parents and teachers should be aware that if their children or students frequently make good quality humor It is highly likely that they have extraordinary Intelligence so I have a theory on that. I have a theory on that right you have if you're in class and you Are the class clown It's not like you have this opportunity to write jokes and like you get the floor to say something You have to be quick Of course and witty So you have to piggyback off something the teacher said and then you throw something out there or that another kid said And so I think it just it just highlights the the quick wittiness of a kid at that age to be able to do that And that part of the brain if you're developing that that early already how much that that favors you as you get older Yeah, I think part of it too is like the kid's like not getting stimulated enough too And it's creating their own opportunities to kind of like, you know entertain themselves In a sense because that's what happened a lot of times. I'm just like dude. I'm so bored so bored like I have to do something here I have to draw, you know, uh, you know fallacies in the sky. Wow. Yeah. Yeah It was it was painful for me high school was so painful so freaking boring and so you do that But you know what along those lines comedians some of the best comedians in the world If you really break down what they're doing and what they're saying and how they're delivering what they're delivering Oh, yeah, they're highly it's a it's a very specialized Form of intelligence and I'll tell you what especially here's your evidence right here Especially in men if you ask a hundred women What qualities they find most humor desirable or attractive in man humor's number one sense of humor's always Almost always at the top or top three And so that goes to show you how valuable it is and then you think well, why is this so valuable? We're social creatures And humor breaks tension. It brings bonds people together It's also a very effective way of communicating difficult subjects, which is one thing that can be like Dave Chappelle He I know he's under fire by you know people right now But the guy's so intelligent with delivering highly sensitive information doesn't in such a very smart way That I mean you requires a really a really high level of intelligence Yeah, it just takes a different perspective and it makes you think You know makes you like address something from a different Angle, which I I appreciate. Oh, I think women are just smart too They know that the first 30 years even if you're sexy and got the body and you lay it down in the bedroom Like that's the first 30 years.  It looks good Can I just say right now this is going to be like probably my new favorite What for the last like 10 years hold on I gotta ask a question. Yeah, would you did you need to have watched doom before? Read the book. No, we're gonna complete. No, you could be somebody just totally oblivious Yeah, and it's not like they didn't the first one where they smashed like Three bucks and one and and tried to like tell this like really long elaborate story and condensed the amount of time They took their time with the pacing was really good Um, it was like phenomenal graphics like so you have to see it in 3d. We saw it in 3d Uh, and there's just like depth of scope.  I don't want to ruin it But like they have these the technology in it is something I've never seen before really, uh with uh They're almost like dragonfly helicopters dude. It's so sick That's all I'm gonna say and then um, just the overall Uh story the way that it was all played out like it was believable the actors were really good I'd have none of the good things to say. Is this an edible movie or is this a movie? Yeah, dude Because I was always explaining it. I'm like 3d. He's really is there a non edible movie. How about that? I don't know. That's it. That's an even better You have to really think like clearly. Wow. So that you now you've been going to the theater I haven't been to the theater in years. Neither have I. Yeah, you know, and I I try to support it. I know it's like, uh, They're like some people are scared to do that But like I I just want it to exist still because it's such a different experience especially for something like that that's like Such an epic scale like that you need to be able to sit on a big-ass screen and watch it And have like that now. Do you have to wear a mask during the whole movie? No.  I mean does everybody come in wearing a mask or what do you see right now? I mean some do because like in Santa Cruz like that's been lifted So so the businesses get to choose whether or not they like enforce that So yeah, Santa Cruz actually like I'll give them You know some probably like they they'd crack down again for a while But now that it's open again in terms of that So because they've done a pretty good job of keeping the numbers low Well speaking of things that are fun with edibles, uh, gaming, right? Uh, I it's exciting to see Felix Gray Going after the gaming market. Have you seen that they're now putting their blue block or it makes so much sense in game stop? Yeah, now I stop best buy target. They're starting to get out to make okay So I this is something that I try to enforce with my son when he plays video games same because you're on there On the screen for hours That's not going to be good for your eyes, especially if it's right before bed And I I would even I'm going to make a bet here or I'm going to make a prediction that they're going to tie this to better performance in video games Sure So in other words because high and high coordination But if your eyes start to fatigue because of the blue light that'll start to decrease your performance If they start to sign on these high level players and gamers Watch it be used as a way to improve endurance In performance, you know, it would be fun and actually it would be great for Felix Gray to get this from us if you could convince your son to actually almost do like a Uh, you know a week where he's like, okay, let him go, you know, let him do like, you know Four hour days of like he would love this. I know right I think he would love this to do this.  Yeah, dad. No problem. Yeah Have him do that for like a week no glasses and then actually do that and then have him report back The things that he noticed Dude, I swear to god that kid if if I let him I if I let him do it, it would be bell to bell It would be, you know, 9 a.m To freaking midnight. I know I have no idea. I have no idea how I'm gonna handle that Like I know you guys are already in that world So you guys are have you kind of set your boundaries? And I'm so torn on that because I I didn't get regulated, but I also Like to go outside as much as I like to play video games And it wasn't as fully immersive as it is now, right? Well, okay, so I'll tell you what I'm experiencing. So and I saw this firsthand with some clients of mine first So I had some clients very close. I was very close with them and their son And very good people. They were they homeschooled their kid. They were big in that whole movement or whatever and part of their Philosophy was this unschooling thing where the kid drives the curriculum And if they're into something you try to encourage them to learn through it And so their son was super into video games And he would just he would he would just mash out on them and just be on them all the time And I remember they were kind of like, oh man, I don't know like what are we gonna do about this? And should we allow them to continue and I remember personally thinking like no, you got to get them off Like it's way too much. Well, what ended up happening is the kid turned 16 17 and naturally started to want to hang out with friends. Anyway, today the kid is an adult He's got his own podcast. He's a personal trainer.  Yeah, he's making plans all the time Yeah, and he's doing that himself. Yeah, I think well, it's just kind of funny because I've noticed Like my son's sales ability has gone up tremendously What?    What does this do? He's like, you know, like he's our dad I have to ask you a question. I want to work on my spatial abstract abilities. Do you have any idea how I could do that? Yeah, I kind of think of a way well the worst part is I don't know code Right, so I don't like he could be right and I'm like totally like, yeah, whatever Look, you know talk about I don't know Yeah, but that's I would think as a parent That's one of the hard parts for you guys to say no to because talk about a Valuable skill for a kid, you know coming up right now in the world that we live in now you so it's like And if that's developing that while he's also getting while he's also having fun with his friends It's like, ah, man, how do I it's you know, it always changes when I was a kid My dad had issues with me. I used to watch a lot of tv and then I would read the encyclopedia. You guys know this I know it's whatever weird combo. Yeah, I know Anyway, uh, but I would do this and he would get upset because he's like, why aren't you Why aren't you playing why aren't you going outside? You know the kids would come knock on the door from the neighbors Which I don't want to hang out with them because they were done But whatever they'd knock on the door and I tell my mom tell him I'm not here because I was reading, you know the letter, you know q in the In the encyclopedia and so my dad used to be like a little bit like what's going on sounds a big q in a high fray Oh, yeah, that's what he was before it was even popular started it. You started He's the guy behind the whole thing. Hey, little did he know all these skills would come coming handy when I started a podcast Years later, you know say that's where all your snapple facts come from Well, I know we we played like crazy too Like I there was times where uh, I'd have friends over and we would we would like We would literally only come out of the room to like go to the bathroom or you know get pizza And I mean, I remember there'd been like so does All along the window seals or anything by the end of the weekend We probably drank like two 24 packs between me and my two friends I mean, we definitely were not doing stuff ideal for you. Well, yeah 12 to 13 You're just trying to see how long he'll let you stay. Yeah. Yeah, that was like half the goal I was like, I can do it. Dude speaking of soda. Did you hear about the guy who died? Because he drank One and a half liters of coca-cola Within an hour and he died from it. Did you hear about this? No, okay So I read the title of the article and I thought how how would he die from drinking right one and a half liters of Coke? I mean it's a decent amount And I thought how would you die from that? So I thought did he did he drown his cells from too much fluid? Because you could do that with water, right if you drink too much water in a full two liter Yeah, it's not even that and I'm like what when they sell those to ampm now as like a single It's like a double gold. Do you want to know what happened?  So you burp or whatever. Yeah, it got the gas got locked it got trapped in his uh, I think a small intestines And it wasn't wasn't releasing. He had lots of pain couldn't figure out what the hell was going on Went to the hospital because he started getting really like something's wrong with me And because of the gas trapped in his small intestines. It was blocking oxygen from getting to his liver So when he finally got to the hospital the doctors are trying to figure out what's going on Then they realize. Oh, it's this gas that's trapped. They tried to release the gas But by that point it was too late and he went into liver failure and died Yes, dude. This is a true story. I just read this so over the last night.  I didn't even know like it happened I mean, I'm like worried for Justin Oh, I push it out, dude Yeah, that's bad better out than in is my motto I read something the other day about uh, kelong's get in a like a five million dollar class action lawsuit over like one of their like strawberry apple flavors Uh, not tasting enough like strawberry apple and having too much of a pear ingredient How crazy is that? Hold on a second. So they got sued so looking up dug to get so I can get my fruit my fruit right So basically i've been missing out on how much basically it was like one of those like Like strudel things or whatever that kelong's makes, you know, and then it had a flavor like strawberry or what? I don't remember the actual flavor, but it was like a combo strawberry apple or some bullshit Hopefully dug will find it by the time i'm done And and the the the actual flavoring Didn't have enough of the fruit that it's it's advertised as and had the taste of another Now, you know class action lawsuit basically as a lawyer these freaking leeches that go through Like what can we do with lawsuit on to make the strawberry pop tarts that don't have enough berries?   What do you think's gonna be in there? It's Paste and sugar paste i'm gonna sue pop tarts because it doesn't pop when i eat it with coloring.  Oh, yeah, this doesn't have strawberry.  And then like and it's like if you retaliate, you know, you go right to the courtroom.  I think sometimes I think that we're meant to Be challenged and when life is easy We thought we have to find Shit we have to find things to be upset with that other one the teacher who got fired for Doing like an like an indian chant, you know, they were she was like reading a book They were like like a history class or something and she was like doing like that And like doing that with the kids like telling a story and fired And that was wow gone wow But that's even I mean that's more so than like what you were talking about with the skeleton thing That's a halloween. Yeah, but all of it.   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So probably early 30s Some sports people reach their peak in their 20s like, you know, if you're looking at a combat sport You don't see too many high level combat artists that are you know, or athletes that are you know Over the age of 34 it starts to kind of decline. But you know, what's funny about this question is your genetic potential Changes based off of your circumstances in the context of your life, right? So what is your genetic potential when you're lacking sleep? What is your genetic potential when your programming's off? What is your genetic potential when absolutely everything's perfect? And that's what people want to think of they think of Genetic potential as being what's the absolute furthest I could take my body When everything is perfect now, we've been working out for a long time Let me ask you guys a question when in your life has every absolutely every aspect of your life been perfect For developing your physique. Yeah, that's why this question is kind of one of those Yeah, well, I mean the closest I ever was there was that that three year run of competing If I where I could say like I was really checking most all the boxes But even then you could definitely go in there and pick apart things that I could have optimized or done better To continue so yeah, I don't think it's funny because I know a lot of people probably have Reached close to their genetic potential because you've been training for 10 15 years consistently without really having too much off And so you've probably reached kind of the peak of how much total Lean body mass maybe if we're just talking purely muscle But as far as optimizing your overall health performance longevity, you know muscle body fat percentage I mean there's always so much room to continue to improve everywhere Yeah, it's a hard thing to kind of pinpoint because for me it was always like what I was doing was then transferring out to sports performance And so like and I was only playing sports up till college and then that was it, you know So I didn't really have a good gauge of like when that sort of declined although my last year I did feel a bit of A bit of a decline, but that was mainly due to circumstances and me and my consistency Kind of leading up into the season with that but like in terms of like the weight room I've had I've it's been all over the place like I felt like the last, you know Five years have been some of my best years of lifting now when we get a question like this What do you guys think spurs this like what do you think? Why do you think this person is out? I mean we're totally speculating. I know me when I used to really wonder this Is I wanted to know what I could accomplish like what's my limit? How far can I take my oh, you know, I think I remember thinking this and I think that when you hit a really hard plateau People start asking because they're wondering like oh, this maybe this is it for me. You know, I've already added so much muscle I've been training for five plus years or whatever You know, I'm curious to know am I maybe I'm reaching my genetic potential right now This is a trap. I mean, I mean speak personally speaking my my pr's and my lifts happened in my Early to mid 30s. I would say it's when I hit like some of my heaviest lifts But let me tell you why this is a trap if you're always Training for the end result You're going to be disappointed at some point because at some point You get older at some point you can't possibly get stronger Otherwise we'd have seven-year-olds, you know dead lifting five thousand pounds or whatever at some point Things are going to decline. How do you stay consistent? Yeah, the way you you stay consistent is you enjoy the process You have to enjoy the the workout for the workout itself. Otherwise you're screwed because You're gonna get stuck in a situation where you're like, oh my god My body now is going backwards because I'm thinking of it like this It's like a a professional athlete asking, you know, where when I'm when am I gonna max out at getting better Like at some point if you're a pro, okay, you're probably at Towards the top, but you don't ever stop practicing and trying to get better and improving every aspect And there's different metrics there though, too Like say it's not the physicality, but like your game smarts Like put you ahead of everybody else because of the time that in the reps you've put in and So I just think that it's it's all based off of what you're sort of determining this because For me it would be like if I read this question And it would probably be like my 20s because like I didn't think about anything, you know And then all of a sudden, you know, I was at my peak and then, you know Everything I did built muscle and then it just sort of like taper I had to then really pay attention to what I was doing And if you look at studies, I mean actually I read this the other day. It's interesting. I read It was an article. Oh, maybe I saved it. But anyway, it talked about The peak age for different Uh abilities like the best age for learning new languages I think was seven or something like that, right? The peak age for earning potential for men 48 So 48 generally and I wasn't that cool Because the peak age for now that makes sense We're gonna be able to pay you any more Even if we do better, you're tapped I think the peak age for like winning a Nobel Peace Prize was like 60 something or whatever Anyway, it's it's all very interesting. But there's a lot of factors that go into it. You you said something very interesting, right Who's that the quarterback that's like in his 40s, Tom Brady? Yeah, and he was just crushing right and how old is he? Still is still is crushing. Yeah, he's in his 40s Right. Now, is it because physically he's Probably is he more is he faster than he was when he was no, definitely. He's more efficient and he's smarter He's wiser I should say, right? No, it's a great analogy because I definitely know that I've probably seen like the most muscle and I may never even ever get to that point again in my life But even today, uh, the things that what I improve on is I less effort and I can achieve Similar or better things than I was able to achieve when I was 20 something So even if I like can say that I've seen the most muscle mass or reached the genetic potential of how much muscle my body can carry I've gotten smarter and wiser about how I get there And and and it's taken less effort to maintain a physique that I was Hammering myself for in the my 20s trying to reach so there's other parts that you continue to get better at Even even if you've reached your max muscle, you know how to quickly adjust on the fly You know to stay ahead of these plateaus or you know aches and pains like there's just there's a lot more playbooks that you've acquired Uh, you know to navigate through all that. Yeah. Well, here's a good example The a man's generally speaking a man's testosterone, right the anabolic hormone testosterone peaks at about 18 It's rare to find an 18 year old that will build more muscle than a 29 year old Right if they both same training Experience and a lot of stuff 29 year old typically will build more muscle than 18 year old So there's a lot more that goes into this than just Hormone levels and physical whatever or there's there's your wisdom and your application But again, yeah, this is a trap Because at some point father time is going to slap you in the face And if you're constant if you're so focused and obsessed with the end result You will be in a whole world of pain.  I can't get any faster I can't get any buffer. I can't look any better no matter what I do my body ages You have to at some point just love the process for the process itself. Otherwise, you're gonna be totally screwed agreed Next question is from christa marie c. Can you over consume protein? Yeah, of course.  It's less likely To overeat protein than it is to overeat carbohydrates and fats and especially the combination Of carbohydrates and fats which typically if you throw salt on top of that, that's like the magic You know trio So but that being said, yeah, you can eat too much protein and forget the fat gain For some people eating too much protein leads to constipation and digestive issues as well in which case And that's more individualized, right?  Yeah, that's an individual thing too But yes, if you have issues with gout or not your body not getting rid of uric acid Then yeah, your protein limit is going to be lower than someone who doesn't have those issues Yeah, I never really I never had any problems with anybody who was eating whole foods And wasn't in the like the body building space in this case Unless you had a special condition like that So I've dealt with gout and I've had clients that have issues with just digestion period And so then everything is kind of an exception to the rule But for the majority it most people under consume protein And if they were eating whole foods it was a problem The times where I saw it was when you with competitors because competitors look at protein And they throw shakes on top of it Oh, yeah, so, you know, they're having three shakes and two bars on top of, you know, two pounds of beef in the day Every day and they're trying to get, you know, 300 400 grams of protein thinking it's like this magical macronutrient And then you see their their digestion get fucked up from that and you see them issues with and their stools all fucked up So that's the only time I really dealt with it. Most people Don't get enough protein intake. So the messaging tends to be like more and more and more But yeah, of course, there's a threshold and there's a too much I will say this though. It's it's harder to over consume protein way hard I mean think of it this way I could easily sit down and eat 100 grams of carbs and I wouldn't even blink right 100 grams of fat I could do that too 100 grams of protein put 100 grams of lean whole food protein in frame like how much chicken breast would that be Adam? Yeah, that's like 6 12 you're over a pound you're pounding Almost a pound and a half of chicken just pure chicken breast like try eating that at a thing sure Good luck. Like that's one of the reasons why people lose weight on like carnivore diets Is it just crushes your appetite? Yeah, it's really hard to just consume that many calories from only that Yeah, I wouldn't worry about over for the most part. I don't worry about over consuming protein Now, I know there's people that will say Too much protein can elevate mTOR and that can lead to cancer and this and that Context matters a lot in a pro cancer environment Carbohydrates sugars and proteins can feed cancer just because cancer is cells In a healthy context, you're fine mTOR is not bad Unless you have cancer that's active in which case. Yes, you do want to depress mTOR But if you don't have cancer you can elevate mTOR You'll just build more muscle and have better performance So I wouldn't worry too much about that and definitely not too much about over consuming protein That's I mean in my for as long as I've worked with people I don't know.  You're already getting 150 grams through Whole Foods.  You can you can cut out all that Next question is from Kony Chua Is it normal to progress on some lifts but regress on others at the same time? If not, what could be the problem? Of course you can but it's not as common Usually really to regress while progressing Yeah, I would say it's more common to progress on one and not regress on another one But it's less common for my like Oh, oh my god I'm so much stronger my overhead press and then I go squat and my squat went way down because usually If you're stronger that means that overall there's a good environment doesn't mean you can get stronger at everything Oh, I can give you an example. Well, okay. So progress and regress Less likely to progress and and stay the same very very very common But even could potentially regress depending on you do it and an example that I see all the time is Let's say you this is a new lift for you Maybe you've never really deadlifted consistently and so you start doing it And what's great about that is your the gains and the progress is like because it's you're you're learning the movement So there's this amazing like learning curve of just constantly seeing yourself level up level up level up And you could be seeing that while also Diet not being ideal sleep not being ideal And you may not be doing on the lifts that you've been doing forever So maybe you've been bench pressing forever, right? But you've never deadlifted consistently in your life till you start listening to mine Like these guys always talk about deadlifting. I'm going to start doing it So you start doing it and you're like man, I'm getting good and good at deadlifting But man, my bench is either staying the same or I even had a bad week and got worse Well, when you in this is where the context matters is if you are learning a new movement Sometimes you will see even progress in that lift Even when all other things are shitty like your diet's kind of off your sleep isn't well It's because the deadlift is so new and you're improving on the movement every single time But then it's starting to affect the other things that you've already gotten pretty good at and so you regress in that area So in a situation like that that makes sense, you would be surprised Yeah, the reason why I would say it's not as common except for that's a really good example that you gave adam Is because when you're regressing On lifts, let's say you're over trained or you know, you're overdoing a lift or you're lacking sleep Typically, it's a systemic thing. You'll notice it all over like I'm just weaker overall Now you could definitely over train a movement Cause some problems and other movements not so much and still improve, but that's more rare So I would say in this particular case, it's probably either what adam saying or The lift that you're regressing in you may need to look at your programming Like okay, here's a good example deadlifts and squats, right? If you're you could you could your deadlifts could go up But maybe the way you're programming your workouts is that your deadlifts are now affecting your squat because I deadlift the day before Yeah, I squat so my oh my deadlift one at 50 pounds Then you go to squat and your posterior chain is fried and your squat goes down Well, I mean and I've definitely noticed this in terms of like the time length in between of when I haven't Been practicing one of the major lifts like so there was there was a period where I didn't bench For a substantial amount of time because I was like so focused on getting better at pull-ups getting better at pulling movements And and then going back. I definitely went down substantially In terms of performing my bench press with it was just because I wasn't Stimulating that that that muscle group I used to like it But it was just it was a time-length thing and it really came back pretty quickly But it was to see that sort of take on You know progression with with my ability to to pull up was substantial And then I definitely fell off on bench this question actually highlights a really cool strategy That I used to do because we talked about this right when you're in a caloric deficit You're trying to do like a cut like a really hard cut Like one of the hardest parts is the the mental hurdle right because you get weaker in everything So one of the strategies I used to do on cuts since I'd be I was doing it so frequently Is I would actually pick up a a new exercise that I wasn't doing like I hadn't done in a really long time Like example of one that comes to mind right away And was during when we were competing it was during when we were writing programs And the circus press was just not like a common exercise that I had done in the past And I'm in a and I'm in a major cut and I'm getting weaker on everything, you know Because I'm cutting drastically consistently for weeks for a show And so I'm watching my bench go down. I'm watching my deadlift go down But then all of a sudden I introduced the circus press consistently into my routine And I'm actually getting stronger Every week and so it actually would be and I would actually try and focus on that and not let the other things Fuck with me because I know that I'd already kind of max that out and I'm watching that so I I like this question for that reason because it this could happen And I always think that a lot of what we we do with you know training to get in really good shape A lot of it's this this mental warfare that you're constantly playing playing all the time And a strategy that helped me was when I know that I'm in a caloric deficit And I know I'm cutting consistently and I know I'm going to get weaker It's inevitable is actually reintroducing movements that I don't do frequently into my routine So I have like a win so I can be like, oh cool That's just to happen to me when I cut and I'd be cutting and then I'm like wow I could do more pull-ups and I realized because I'm lighter Next question is from lore pat what is your take on certain vegetables being toxic toxic Is it bs or would we be better off not eating certain types? It has been going around that vegetables have natural defense mechanisms to protect themselves But because of that they can be harmful all right, so natural insecticides So there's some truth to this, but it's also been exaggerated So I'm going to give you a an analogy or another example that is going to sound ridiculous, but it isn't Would you eat a cow while it's alive?  Would that be safe?  We kill it? Okay Plants can't kick you. They can't bite you. They can't run away. So they produce toxins to Just just to keep animals from eating them or to demotivate animals from eating them So what do we do to those plants? We cook them. We grind them. We boil them. Okay So this is true, but also humans have adapted to be able to process vegetables and foods so they can eat them For example, eat a raw potato.    Then you eat it and you're okay So I get what they're saying with this and yes some of the toxins remain and What I'm not talking about are the highly sensitive individuals Who obviously have autoimmune issues that are whole or that are going on like Michaela Peterson was a great example She had some autoimmune reactions and so all of these plants were causing reactions in her but most people If you cook vegetables or you process them like if you grab a wheat out of the ground and chew on it You're going to you're going to shred your body But if you mash it up and grind it and then cook it Then most people or a lot of people I should say can can eat the sweet So it is there's some truth to this message, but what they've done is they've kind of twisted it And it's just not true and here's you'll always hear this message Talked a lot about in the you know keto and carnivore space So if you're a pro all meat diet, then you're going to highlight this all the time as like But the I do think there are people though And I do like something that paul says as because I found this interesting because I'd never thought about this And looked at like what vegetables I've actually never tried to eliminate Certain vegetables in my diet wondering if maybe it's causing some of my autoimmune issues until listening to paul talk about this exact topic And one of the things that he said that I found interesting was I thought well I'm not going to get rid of all vegetables because I want to keep some stuff in there And I don't I obviously don't think that it's from all of these vegetables but maybe it could be from some some outliers and Your body it's easier for your body to digest Flowering parts of vegetables versus like the stem. Yeah, because the the plants protect Certain parts of it more Than others and it wants the fruits like the offering. That's right here. Yeah the the animals come by they they nab that and then it's like Exactly.  So maybe looking at that and going like, okay What what vegetables are like flower have flower and there's truth to this like we don't need to cook and boil our fruit In order to eat it. You can eat a fruit raw. I can eat an apple raw. I can eat a strawberry raw Um asparagus. I'm sure if I just eat the tip raw I'll be I'll be a little better off than if I eat the the bottom part or whatever But that's why we cook and process. It's it's look. Here's the deal It's why we cook meat too. Could I eat raw meat? You can eat raw meat. Why do humans? Cook meat it allows our body it cooking meat actually it's part of the digestion It partially digest the food Unlocks a lot of the nutrients and scientists evolutionary scientists Strongly believe this is one of the reasons why our brains got so big. We were able to cook This super and yes, me. This is true now meat is the most nutrient dense food On the planet if you're living in the wild You're not you're probably not going to survive just eating plants It's not going to happen You have to figure out how to grow and your own plants and create the right combination You're going to die unless you catch some meat and then you're probably going to survive Not to mention plus it lowers the risk factor with like, uh, you know, certain bacterias and parasites that you could get From the raw meat. So it's like it's just one of those things we we hacked and figured out Dude, I figured out for myself. Look, I have gut issues. Okay. I figured out for myself That lots of vegetables help with my gut issues, but I have to cook them really well You guys have seen how I eat them, right? I boil the crap out of them Then I can eat them and they actually help my digestion if I eat raw vegetables Sometimes they can bother me, but I mean we've been processing foods Forever just like we do with meat just like I said like the same example would be You know eating an animal while it's alive very dangerous, but I got to kill it and cook it now I can eat it plants, you know This is why the raw vegan movement to me is very interesting because they're taking out that element And I know some people can get away with it But I don't know if you ever tried to eat lots and lots of raw vegetables It'll it'll wreck your gut very quickly. You're talking about having trapped gas dude Now that doesn't mean too though that there's not value in somebody who is dealing with autoimmune issues And they've tried different things to eliminate and they can't get the bottom it and there and they've been that's why I this this conversation does need to be had and I think it's important because You don't think vegetables just like I'm sure Doug probably didn't think avocado was you know Causing issues with his skin and stuff like that. You think it's a healthy food. Everyone talks about just super food It's so it's so great for us So if you have this really good diet And avocado is a part of that or asparagus is a part of that and it's just you don't think you think of it as a Health food you don't think that it's possibly flaring up my psoriasis or causing my other auto immune stuff I have going on And so if you're trying to get to the bottom of that And then you hear a message like this like hey not a bad strategy to potentially eliminate that Veg a vegetable that you eat all the time that could be Do dealing doing that if you're an average person and you're healthy and you don't have any auto immune issues Then this means nothing to you. Yeah, and you know what? You're right because we also we always need to consider because generally speaking we can list foods by More or less healthy depending on the nutrients and what they provide us But you can't ignore your individual body cannot do that like I've had I have had to learn this lesson with clients Over and over to the point where I finally gave in and said everybody's different and I remember having a client that It was meat Meat did not make them feel good. I think you share a banana one, right? I had a client avocado over here I mean these are foods that you consider very healthy. That's right spinach. That's right And at one point I remember thinking dairy. Oh dairy's bad. We're not meant to drink milk But you look at the literature and you look at when people don't have intolerances dairy and you realize It's one of the healthiest foods ever unless you react to it like I do I can't have dairy, right?  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