Hello, everybody. Welcome to a very special bonus episode of Esoteric Atlanta. Normally on this channel, if you're new to this channel, we normally do stories, French stories and weird topics that you don't see on other channels. But today, we have our second live interview with one of my friends, Cindy, who I've had the pleasure of knowing for like six, seven years now. And Cindy, in my opinion, is a spiritual guru. I don't know if she would call herself that, but I think she is. Cindy, the spiritual life definitely picked her because of her lineage. And Cindy is a yoga teacher, but she's so much more than a yoga teacher. For those who know a little bit about my background from this channel, I am trained in one particular lineage of yoga or spiritual theory, whereas Cindy is kind of the master of all traits. And she can combine a lot of different schools and different thoughts into one comprehensive outlook on the world around us and this matrix that our spiritual beings find ourselves in. And as we enter into this new timeline with the age of Aquarius, I know a lot of people are starting to realize that we are so much more than we thought we were in the age of Pisces. And so welcome, Cindy, to Esoteric Atlanta. Thank you for having me. I can't believe it's been six years already. But it keeps Martin on. So Cindy, Peruvian American, and she has her, obviously her roots in Peru. And also aren't you a little Irish too? Don't you have a little bit of Irish in you as well? I'm like, yeah, can't you tell? It's like maybe 2% or 3% or something like that. It's not a whole lot. When I got my DNA test back, I was like, what, Irish? Okay. Well, Ireland is such a very magical place as well. And so I was like, well, that makes sense. She's Peruvian and Irish. There you go. It's like the perfect combination. So why don't you tell people a little bit about your background? And I know you come from a really cool lineage. And so of Peruvian women, especially. So give our audience a little bit about you. Well, I was born in Peru. There's my cat in the background. Knew something good was going on over here. He's like, hmm, I'm checking this out. I was born in Peru, but I came here to America when I was about three and a half to four years old. And so I was pretty much raised in America. But I go back to visit Peru pretty frequently. I still have a lot of family there. And I was born in Lima in the city of Peru. But I have a lot of that Andean American tradition within my heritage, within my blood. And also being from Peru, since they were conquered by the Spaniards and all that stuff, there's a lot of Portugal and Spain. And kind of that part that comes in as well, which I also feel, I feel at that Portugal, Spain, France, Southern Europe influence. We were talking before about Mary Magdalene. And that's kind of where she lived and where she came from. And I feel a certain connection to her just from that part of my own background. So basically, I feel like I'm just like this big melting pot of places and lineages and the heritage is that, you know, most of all, within my bloodline is that the Andean tradition. And I started exploring those shamanic roots more, like more actively, probably around my late 20s. Because see, I grew up Catholic, like any good Peruvian, Latina American. So Catholic is what I grew up and, you know, all the way up through high school. And it was when I entered college, when I started to explore other different things. And that's also where, you know, I started to first feel that connection with like the Mother Mary. And of course, Mary Magdalene, there is well, even though of course, you know, she's talked about in a different kind of way within the Catholic tradition. So I have this utter fascination still to this day with big old churches and the old graveyards. So there's some of that that's we've done as well. And then my, I started yoga also, going on that path probably around my late 20s. And I started more with, and I think it was important to get anchored in, you know, traditional yoga is very much anchored in light, golden light in the stention and higher consciousness and all these things. And I think that that was an important base and an important anchor for me to have. And for me to continue to have, especially as you start to explore all the other different like realms and more colorful realms of like shamanism or the path of the goddess or the red path or, or any of the more colorful paths, because they can be very distracting to the ego. Let's put it that way. So to be able to have something like a, like a base in yoga to come back to and remember, okay, you know, I need, why I'm doing this and why I'm here so that when you go off into exploring all the other different realms, especially when you're talking about us going into the age of Aquarius and how people are now interested, I mean, they want to explore all these other different, and the thing is, I think it's more available to us now than it used to be. That's a lot more available. Like when I started off, I had to look through the yellow pages just to find a yoga class. And now, you know what I mean? I mean, I really did. And so now we're in this age of so much information being out there and some of it's good. And then, you know, you start to go into these other, other thoughts, you know, other ways of thinking or ways of believing. And you don't always know what where it's going to lead. If it is this, this is good, is bad. And in other words, just there's so much information available out there this day that, you know, I think it takes a certain amount of discernment to recognize, all right, this is, this is okay. This is good. Maybe this isn't so great. And the age of Aquarius, I think is definitely we're going into it with so much information. Yeah, it's really quite, I mean, I've noticed that on this channel a lot, whenever, because I've talked to you, we've talked about the missing gospels, just, just the two of us and after class or something. And I've, we've been discussing that here on this channel a lot. And it's amazing how, you know, after when the, those gospels were written around the time right after Jesus died, the Mary's Gospel, Thomas's Gospels, Philip Gospel, and they all kind of got banned and lost these real inner knowing or gnosis, very spiritual tantric, as we talked about on Sunday, at the last Sunday at your studio, that they were taken away during the age of Pisces. And as we turn the corner now into a new timeline, all this stuff is coming back up again. It's like the earth, earth kind of vomited it back up again from the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nag Kamadi Library, all this stuff was being rediscovered, these ancient teachings that people want to label as new age, but they're not new, they've been around for so long, and we're only now rediscovering it. And I think too, because you, Cindy's also like a shamanistic healer too, on top of teaching yoga.  And you can definitely tell that that's something that you inherited as well as studied for yourself. There's like this magic ingredients in you. There's these elements that create, like I said, the spiritual life picked you. I don't know if you picked the spiritual life, it kind of picked you. And, and I think as we enter into the age of Aquarius, people are going to be looking more, we're realizing now that we can't just put band-aids on top of things that we have to actively be involved in our own healing to find that inner balance. And I would love for you to speak more on that as well, because you are very powerful when it comes to assisting people in their own journey inward into their own healing. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Well, I mean, we all have access to a certain amount of energy and power, because we're all, you know, I truly do believe that we're all truly powerful, sovereign beings. And we're just like these fractals of the universe. And we contain everything that we need. And it's just a matter of going in there and truly accessing it. And I feel that even just as a healer, an energy healer, that that's that's part of what I try to help people with too, is just being able to lift the veils of misinformation or miscomprehension that they might have about themselves. Yes, you know, coming out of the age of Pisces, when the veil was really, really thick. And for us to be just covered up in misbeliefs, you know, those old holding patterns and belief systems that are old. I mean, they're old and they're ancient. When I do this healing kind of a work, it's not just that you're healing within this lifetime, but it's also you're healing within past lifetimes and whatever you hold inside of you that was passed down from your ancestors. And I feel like right now we're really stepping into not only healing for ourselves, but healing for our ancestors, the ones that have come before us.  And being able to to lift that, especially in people who are interested in this kind of stuff. Because I feel I still till this day feel a little protective of it. Right. Okay, who am I going to talk to about this because there's there's still a sense of that inside of me. Okay, it's like how how are people going to receive this without it being, you know, being people coming at you with the with the with the stakes and everything like this. In other words, that is very much still in people. And I think part of the those who are interested into in this kind of work, we're having to move past all of the misinformation and all of that trauma. And as a healer, that's part of what I do as well. Yeah, I am. I feel you know, this is partly from my lineage to more of a like I work within the realms of the shadow for people. In other words, I can help people drop into that subconscious space within side of them that holds on this old trauma. For those that might not quite understand what the shadow is. I know a lot of people that like myself who worked with our own shadow, we understand what that is. But for those who are completely new to this type of spiritual healing, can you give like a layman's explanation of what somebody's shadow would be? It's basically whatever we put down in the subconscious and we chose to forget. That is the realm of the shadow. I think Paul Young is the one who coined the term the shadow. And it's, you know, it's a big part of psychological work and psychological studies as well. But I also believe that we store that within our bodies. So part of what I'm able to do is access it within somebody's bodies, the body holds and contains everything that we've ever experienced in within this lifetime or other lifetimes. And we also hold the patterns of our ancestors, the people who came before us and all that stuff. So we are, if you will, like an Akashic record of our own history and the history of our ancestors and our relatives. So with that, I can work through the body and very often access to the places where, and usually what'll happen if we disassociate parts and we fragment ourselves and we put them into this shadowy realm. And it's usually, again, things like trauma or things that, you know, perhaps we've just chosen to forget, aspects of ourselves that we decided were inappropriate. You know, I can't show this, this is inappropriate. I'm going to be highly judged by this. So we fragment ourselves. But it doesn't completely just go away, even though we would love sometimes perhaps for that thing just to completely disappear and go away. It never does. It stores still within you. So it's a matter of being able to go in and find where we've hidden those places within ourselves and then to reintegrate it so that you can become a whole again. So the purpose is to be able to delve within where we've hidden and all those crevices within our minds and our bodies and our hearts and in our energetic space and pull them back up and integrate it within yourself again and becoming whole. That's the purpose behind it. And of course, all that stuff also, it causes physical pain, which is one of the first telltale signs that there's something going on that's out of alignment within yourself. So, I mean, the body, as you know, through your practice of yoga, it's an amazing, it's an amazing thing. It's an amazing creation that we have. It's a DPS. It's our modern. Yes. Yes. And you're right. Because I know from my study of yoga, we have three karmas that we're always working through. And for those who are new, karma basically is just your work. It's just cause and effect. That's all it is. And we have our own personal karma stuff that we have to work through in this life and stuff from our past lives. We also have our ancestral karma that we're cleaning up. And we also have our collective karma, the greater consciousness of the earth, which right now again, we're all going through that moving from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius, where it just, the door doesn't just open and all of a sudden you're at it. It's like we're going through that birth canal right now, which is why things are so hectic and crazy is because the matrix as we know it is shifting and we're being born anew. I saw today that there's like seven planets in Aquarius right now. And the last time that this happened, astrologically, we were leaving the Dark Ages. The plague was ending and we were entering into the Renaissance. So if that gives you guys any type of idea looking back, of course, well, we might have been there in that time, but as a different identity. So that gives you any idea of like what we're moving into, we're moving into a beautiful time. But man, going through that birth canal can be very painful. And a lot of times spiritual work is painful. It takes a lot, you can't go around the hard stuff, you got to go through it. And I know because Cindy is a her classes are awesome. Cindy's always in my classes on Sunday. I love it. But she's also an incredible yoga teacher and explained to people like when you teach, when we talk about how the body holds information and can give us that information of what we're holding back, can you explain like what is a common pain you see as a teacher or as a healer, you know, what part of the body and what is it typically like if someone has a shoulder pain, that there is no injury? Is there a certain spot in the body that can correlate to a different type of like energetic thought like sorrow or anger? Or is it different for different people? What have you experienced as a healer and as a teacher? Well, one, it does depend to what side of the shoulder is, as you know, the left side of the body is considered the more feminine side and the right side is the more masculine side. So the side of the shoulder that you're experiencing the pain that can make a difference. And, you know, a lot of times shoulder stuff is also directly related to what's going on here in the heart area. And that is a big point. There's two main places that I often find people have stuff going on. It's usually in the heart, because that's usually it's the most powerful part of us, but it's also the most vulnerable and it's the one that we protect. And then the throat, the throat is huge. Most people have things going on and you're about being able to communicate or, you know, express themselves or be authentic and express their truth and all that stuff. So if the heart is in protective mode and if our throat is in protective mode, we go into this way of holding ourselves in our bodies and then people start to get things like frozen shoulders or sense of their shoulders aren't aligned well. If they start to reach around and do things, let's say with shoulders hunched over like this, then you can start to create things like rotator cuffed tears and things like that. But so shoulders are often related to the throat and the heart. And another place is very much like the womb and the root area. The sacral area and the root area of the body are also to, because we know the hips, obviously they can hold a lot. It's a big huge joint and it holds all of, it holds a lot of shame and even some guilt. Guilt also comes up here into your core, but shame especially and a feeling of not being safe. That very much carries through in the hip area, in the legs, in the knees. So if you're, you're in general are not feeling very safe or very secure or always feeling kind of like this existential dread, like you don't belong here, which is a common thing among, you know, folks who experience this thing, you just don't feel like you belong here, you know, belong on this planet. Like those kind of things, but that like carries through into the legs is when you feel like you're always having to escape. So, and then of course in the womb area is, and I'm talking about, you know, for both men and women being able to express emotions. We don't know how to express emotions very well here in the West. I think we're just now starting to figure out, but I mean, we just don't know how.  I can't handle it. Right. You know, the technology can't handle it. Yeah. And so, so that area, the womb area, the sacral area are also very common places to hold stuff. Yeah. It's interesting.  And when you do teach it, you always want to stay up on information, but I heard someone say people will sometimes get like a tight jaw because it's like they're taking stuff on the chin. They're not communicating and they don't feel like they just got to like take it. And so you see like the locked jaw is coming, not necessarily from clenching down the mouth, not to speak, but like you're actually taking a beating because you don't feel like you can stand up for yourself. And I think that for men and women, but no women, especially throughout the ages, as they've talked about, have been shut down a lot. And we're having to now work through that and come into a new world. And, you know, with the missing Gospels, we've been looking at the gospel of the Holy 12. And Jesus in that gospel doesn't say God the Father. He says, my father, mother, he always includes that feminine energy in that source that we call God is not just masculine, but is also feminine as well. And that joint balance of father, mother, in that, in that. And I think for men, too, the sensitiveness, not being able to express emotion, because men also carry feminine energy as well, and not being able to express that. Right. And so, yeah, you're right. It comes out in both men and women. And again, that's one of the hardest things about going down a spiritual path is having to actually go down the path to open up pandas and look through all of this stuff. If somebody were to come to you and say, like, I really want to start a spiritual practice, what would your advice be to them? Would you tell them to dive in at first? Or would you tell them to, like, start doing yoga classes first and slowly integrate into it? What would your advice be to someone, a beginner? I would say probably, you know, yoga is always a good place to start. But then to also just really pay attention to, because there's so many different paths that are out there, and certain ones are going to hit home to certain people better than it is other. Like, yoga works for some people, but yoga doesn't work for everybody. So it's also a matter of being able to really tune in and pay attention to see what kind of things that you're attracted to. But I would say, you know, definitely start just by paying attention. You know, first and foremost, just paying attention to yourself and paying attention to just really becoming embodied again. I would say that that would be step number one is to really in yoga is a way to do that. But to come back down into your body and to not be afraid to look at what's here. It's like you're you talk about we have to go through it. So anything that you can do to bring you back down into this space, that instead of just being in your head and worrying or anxiety or whatever that goes on here, anything that's going to bring you back into yourself and into your body, it's a it's a great way to start. You hear often, sometimes people who start a practice like yoga because it's the awesome of practice anyways, it's a physical practice. And they come in because they want to, you know, tone their glutes or they want awesome abs or they want like these great biceps and they want to look cute in their jeans and then their bathing suits. And I say, you know, that's a great place to start because what that will do is it'll bring you back in body. Yeah. And then once you get into your body that way, then then things will begin to reveal itself. Beyond the glutes and in this sitting into your skinny jeans and all that. Yeah, totally. Totally. Vanity pills sometimes. Well, that's why the old days in India, they would, you see these old reels and pictures of like Krishmacharya, Iyengarh, Pratapya Joyce out there in the public doing these crazy asanas, these beautiful, and us for those don't know, asana means posture, the yoga posture that you see on the, you know, it's on Instagram today as we, they didn't have Instagram then, but it was because they were trying to attract people into their yoga school by luring to their vanity. Being like, I do that. I want to put my leg behind my head like that. And so that would lure them into this yoga school to start this journey that they would actually use the vanity of ego to get. Yeah, trick. You have to like trick the ego sometimes. You got to find a way to go through it. Sometimes the ego is so in the forefront that you got to kind of trick it. To pull the rest and pull along like a leash. I know. Yeah. And now we have Instagram. So you see it everywhere, which sometimes could be a bad thing. And I always tell students like, listen, anybody can look good for an Instagram picture. When you see somebody really practice through their full practice, that's where you see all the mistakes and you see all the, um, the heaviness a person can carry within themselves. And that as a teacher, I know, and you probably know this too, you do see people come in, they might appear to have a beautiful practice, but you can see the heaviness inside of them. You can see them actually working through stuff that they're not even, maybe even aware of at that time. And it's, it's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful thing. And Cindy, you're also into ballet and you got me into doing ballet skills as well to help my practice. How has ballet inspired you or helped you along? How has that type of movement helped you in your spiritual journey or helped each other people along their spiritual journey? Well, I love the fluidity of dance, the fluidity of movement within the body. And it goes very much along with, um, like this goddess path that we're talking about too. Like the goddess path is, you know, often considered the, it depends on who you talk to, but it can be considered like the left-hand path or the, the poison path because, but, um, in a good way, a good kind of poison. Um, or because it's so quick, it acts so quick because it is a practice of being in body where as let's say you, you do something that's, you know, like more traditional or like a more traditional yoga practice, like a traditional, uh, Buddhist practice that depends, depends on what lineage of Buddhism you follow. But sometimes that's about transcending the body. Like the body can be something that gets in the way. Like the, the body is, um, it's, it can be distracting. Your desires are distracting. And there's a good point to that because there's, there's, it's always a matter of balance. Um, so that's kind of more, but that's also more like the patriarchy path and it's a, it's a path of ascension. Well, the goddess path is more of a passive decension. It's working through the body to be able to find your, your peace or your awakening or your enlightenment. So in other words, the body is not something that you need to transcend. The body is something that you can work through to be able to, to find, um, find that wholeness in that we're, that we're talking about. And yeah, so that's also, it can be considered like a dangerous path because once you start to, to, to go there, you can be easily distracted. All right. That's why it's also considered kind of the poison path. And if you think about it, like for instance, um, giving birth, like giving, uh, like actually giving physical birth, like a woman who gives physical birth, it can be a moment of complete transcendence, a very primal, very like, um, intuitive moment that can awaken so many things inside of you, but it's also bloody and there's a good chance of death. That's, that's like the poison path, you know what I mean? Fire beware. Um, it's quick in the way it works. So the doses, you have to make sure that you take it within the, the right doses. That's important. Right. That's a really good advice. You know, back to like ballet and stuff. It just feels very, like, like a way of just coming back and understanding and getting the feeling, getting to, to know the body and what's being held in there and the fluidity and the music and it's, it's sensual. There's a sensuality to it. Absolutely. So when somebody comes to your yoga classes, say they do, uh, Cindy, we're also just for you guys to know, I'm going to put all the links to Cindy's social media. I'm going to put the website up to her yoga school in Marietta, Marietta is in the greater Atlanta area. It's a suburb of Atlanta. And Cindy also offers with her classes with all of her teachers. Um, besides my class, I think my class is the only one that doesn't have a zoom option, but, um, cause I like to get in there and adjust people, but, um, there's a zoom option for people because I know I have people from all over the world watching right now. And we got, we have, we have community members all over Europe and Asia and Australia. And so if, um, you guys want to practice with Cindy, you can go to the website and you can actually log on to her zoom classes and she'll see you on the screen and she'll see you there. Now of course we are in the Eastern time zone. So make sure that you, you check that before you sign into her class because it will be a different time than your time. If you're not on our time zone, but if someone were to sign up for one of your classes, what would they get, what would they expect from your classes? What, what should they expect if it's an intermediate class or beginner class or all levels class? Like how, how do you typically set up your classes for people? There usually is a theme that we started. I usually have a theme for the week. What has been my theme this week? I can't even think about it right now. But there is usually a theme that we're working toward and then, uh, like a heart theme. And the practice usually revolves around that somehow, some way. So if, let, let, let's say we are focusing on, on the heart, opening the heart, then we might be more emphasized on back bends or, you know, opening up the chest. And I'm also, I love alignment. Um, and I love teaching alignment. And that's, uh, that's the way I was trained through yoga. And it was very therapeutic for my own body to understand that. So there'll be alignment based on, I'm also, um, more like my classes aren't in the restorative classes or the gentle classes, which is, I mean, there's nothing wrong with, I mean, we do have at the studio other teachers who teach the more restorative and gentle classes, nothing wrong with that at all whatsoever, but you won't get that in my class. You know, in my class, you're going to sweat and get into the new class. Yeah. I like to focus on strength in particular, particularly, you know, I think it's really important that we become stable and feel strong and empowered and sovereign in our bodies first. Um, and trying to establish that, uh, within just with it. Cause when you physically feel that way, it affects you on every level mentally, emotionally, absolutely. And I am going to, I'll tell you guys, though, if you, I'm going to put Cindy social media down below as well. And you do put on your social media every week, you put what theme you're working through students. And so you can, if you follow Cindy on her social media accounts, you'll be able to see, it's like she constantly is keeping the homework going for you. So that the work you do in the class with her doesn't just stay in the class, but you can actually use that and take that out into your life and continue to work on that, that area that she has given you as the teacher. Now, for your, um, healing sessions that are separate from, um, from the yoga, people can also contact you from elsewhere as well. Right. Yes. I mean, that is my true specialty. Because it is, it is such a mishmash of everything that, that as, as a yoga teacher, um, as a, a Reiki master, um, I don't know if you know this or not, but I was also certified hit in the therapist for a little while. I'm not certified anymore, but I was trained in that. And in the, um, my, the, my teacher who did that, he was very woo woo. And as part of that program, he also taught us how to like release entities from people and force, you know, the things that can get attached to people. So it's a combination of that. And also, of course, the shaman is the shamanistic aspect is really comes through. So, um, usually with the, you'd be surprised if I bring out a rattle or feather and crystals and stones and so it's a, it's really even hard to just like on the page, it's like a soul alchemy kind of Reiki session, but it's not really, it's just a combination of everything that I've learned and put together. So it's just a highly intuitive process that just goes in, you know, we go in and just delve in and um, I do, uh, do them online. I mean, mostly I have the yoga studio space. So most of the time I do them in person. I'm a feeler and a knower. So even if I'm watching you on screen, it's a, it's a matter of, you know, like me still trying to like feel in to your, to your, to your space to see like where, where the things are, what, what's going on in there. And then being able to excavate it and dig it out. But I mean, I do feel like that, that is my truest specialty than probably more of my higher calling. And I will say, cause you've, you've done a session with me before and it's, it's, it's magical and intense at the same time. And she does, Cindy does pull out everything. And it's one of the most incredible experiences you'll ever have. You might be a little exhausted afterwards. Um, but that's formal. That's good because you've, even though she's the one performing the ritual on you, you're the one doing the work, whether you realize it or not. Absolutely. You have to do the work. That's the only way it would work. If it was me pulling the stuff out of you, then it wouldn't last. But that's not the way things are supposed to be done. I don't feel anyways, you know, for something to really take in the last, you've got to do it yourself. Oh, for sure. For sure. And something fun will end on because I know a lot of my, my, my people who watch this channel, we were all a little weird. And I think Cindy would proudly fit in that, in that group with us. We talk a lot about aliens about extraterrestrials and how a lot of people have DNA that's mixed in with some ET DNA. And you've told me that you can kind of see that on people. Do you want to get into that a little bit? Well, I was doing in July was when the landscape portal opened. I felt this strong calling to do light body activations on people. And I've never done such a thing before. It was just like, okay, just go out and start doing them. I'm like, okay, let's see what this makes us. And especially then, you could see where certain, like certain people are, in other words, your tribe, it could, there were so many that were from the alien realm. Some were from the fae realm. Some were just like very like earthy. Some were from like the Egyptian and the Atlantean realm, which Atlantean often times go back to aliens anyways. But it's amazing how many different things are out there. And they're, and some of them are very beautiful.  And then how a lot of the things that are here on earth are a reflection of things that are out in the cosmic world. Like in other words, there's certain, for instance, like certain insect beings that are just reflection of these alien insect beings that are out there. As above. Exactly. So there's a lot of things like that that you begin to see and realize how big the world, not the world, but how big the universe, the multiverse actually is.  Yeah. Yeah. You've actually talked about multiverses on this channel as well, too, like all these different things that we, and this is all coming with the age of Aquarius where we're going to have to like unlearn some things and relearn them the way that the truth actually is. And the truth is often stranger than fiction. So that's why it's so fun. So again, what days do you teach, Cindy, at Sacred Garden? What are your days? For yoga, I teach on Monday nights at 5.30. Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 10 a.m. These are Eastern Standard and Fridays at 5.30 and then that's Saturday at 10 a.m.  I also have, with a friend of mine, we run a mystery school where we go into the realms of, like the first part of the mystery school, we call it initiation. And that's where we go into the realm of the earth and studying the elements of the earth, like, you know, fire, water, earth and air. And we spend a good amount of time like that. That first part is just about getting acquainted with the earth. Then the second part of the course is called calibration. Calibration. Then we go out into the cosmic forces with the seven main planetary influences that are out there. And again, as above so below, they're just a reflection of you, like the energy of the sun is a representation of your own light and radiance that's in you. And you can use the sun, like if you forgot, because we forget. That's why all this is here, is to help us to remember. So if you forget, the sun, if you like reconnect with the sun in this kind of a way and start to embody and bring in the energy of the sun, it will awaken that part of you again.  And again, it's just another tool and another resource for you to use to help to awaken and to help for you to remember who you really are, that you're not going through this process alone. You have so much out here and within to take you to guide you through. You don't have to go through any of it alone.  Yeah, we are our essence. I actually read this morning, somebody posted, if we could just remember that our main job is spiritual and not human, it would change the way we live. We all live our lives, you know, that spirituality isn't just church on Sundays or the yoga class once a week, it's a 24 hour seven day a week being that we're in and we're just here as humans to learn more lessons. And I think I do personally believe that as we enter the age of Aquarius, we are shifting into more understanding that about ourselves and that we're not what our ancestors maybe thought we were. We're more than that. We're transcending to what we really are capable of as spiritual beings and not just a human body with a deadline that we got to get to know. So that is like the realm of magic like true magic is being able to create these relationships with these unseen forces or forces that we normally don't pay attention to and recognize how again how vast we actually are.  You get on an airplane and you look down at the earth from below. Well, you're like, wow, that's so small, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's just exactly. You're right. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's part of it is that recognizing the things that really don't matter as much or they don't need to. But we make such a big deal, a big fuss out of things that aren't that aren't worth our attention. Right. And that's what we're here to do, too, is to help to break those old chains, old habit or those old ways of thinking or perceiving that old framework of being that old framework, that Piscian old framework, breaking it down on some of this new new way. Yeah, absolutely. It's exciting. And this new thing that's emerging, we don't even know what that looks like yet, you know. And I think that's why people are terrified, too, because we've talked about that before. We see it in yoga all the time. It's like human beings, we would rather sometimes be stuck in trauma that we recognize instead of moving to something better that we don't recognize. Heck yeah, that's probably 80% of the population. Yeah. At least. Yes. We would just rather stay in that awful place, but we know the audience. We know it. Then move into something that we don't know, but could be beautiful. That's the samskara. That's what we have to keep repeating. Stuff over and over and over again. And for people who don't understand that, it's like how many times in your life have you had to go through the same mistake before you actually realize you're in control and you can stop that habit? You can stop that. So that's kind of the more layman term of what samskara actually is. So Cindy, you are a sacred garden yoga. She's her yoga studio. Again, that's in Marietta. And with Cindy's permission, I have, we taped her practicing in my class last Sunday. It's on time lapse. I was going to put that at the end of this video. So people, if that's okay with you. So people kind of see the studio. It's beautiful studio. She has great teachers. All the teachers there are all almost specialized in a different theory of yoga. I'm a strong guy. You have I ain guard. You have on usara. There's different forms of yoga at her school at her yoga school, which is why I call it a yoga school because there's different teachers. And again, you guys can look on the website and you can join any of her teachers classes too. If you see a restorative class you want to take. If you have questions for Cindy, I guess info at sacred garden yoga.com is the email. Yeah, absolutely. I have my own personal website too. It's Cindy Ola, Cindy Ola.com, I think. And it's on the sacred garden yoga website too, but it also goes in to explain some of the other things like the energy work and the energy healings and the mystery school and all that other realm as well. Awesome. And yes, and if you have questions about if you've never done yoga before and you want to talk to Cindy, I'm sure they can email you as well and ask you what classes would be better for people. And her yoga school is beautiful, beautiful, beautiful for your in the Atlanta area. I would highly suggest looking at the schedule and stopping by and taking a class. Give Cindy a follow on social media. Again, even if you just follow her, you'll learn so much from her post and it'll give you a good starting place to start doing your self investigation over the topics that she brings up and talks about. And is there anything you want to add that we didn't cover? No, I think that's good. I would say, well, if you're in the Atlanta area, you have to check out Bryce's classes too. Don't forget about yourself. Just be aware. My class, so for those who don't know, the ashtanga method that I teach, the asana, the sequence of asana or postures that I teach, I don't create. It's a set series that all ashtanga people teach all around the world. And so with that being said, it's very different from what you might find in another class where the teacher kind of has the freedom to be creative and work through different things. And ashtanga does have the reputation of being kind of brutal. But Cindy's a tough sport. She comes every Sunday religiously and she has got a beautiful strong practice. Everybody, all my students at Sacred Garden have very strong, beautiful, beautiful practices and all the teachers there. It's a very warm and welcoming yoga school and everybody there is just really trying to work on themselves. And so all, all levels are welcome and wanted at that yoga school. So, so please make sure you check that out. And I guess, yeah. So thank you so much, Cindy. This is awesome. We'll have to do this again, perhaps with your partner that you do the mystery school with. Maybe we can set up another interview and do with her as well. And Yeah. Yeah, so much to talk about all the time. Yeah.  We're just going straight into this new, this new age, Rom Doss, who is a, I know, Cindy knows Rom Doss for those who don't know of him. He was a great spiritual teacher. He passed away right before the fun began. He passed away in 2019, but he used to say, we're all just walking each other home. We're all just walking each other home. And that's one thing that I'm glad we're kind of leaving this world of dogmatic religion that divides people. And as we've said on this channel, even the, and as Cindy and I have spoken about, even I grew up Protestant, she grew up Catholic, even within the Christian faith, when we look back at the missing Gospels, we see that Christianity itself was not divisive like it is now. It was very much about gnosis or inner knowledge and self-work and that light inside of us that they call themselves the sons of light, the Essenes that obviously moved off to different lineages. And now we're coming home to that where we're unifying and we're going into this brave new world, all walking each other home together. So yes, if you guys are interested, please contact Cindy. You also are welcome to contact me if you have questions. And thank you so much, Cindy. Tell your husband and your son. I said, hello. Her son is an awesome piano player. I see the piano right here. Very, very talented. You can tell Cindy is his mother because he has the flair for the talent and she's constantly posting videos. So and yeah, we'll have you back. We'll have you back on the show. And we'll do it anytime, anytime. And I will see you Sunday tomorrow. And in my class, yes. For Ash Tonga. So all right. Well, thank you guys so much. And Cindy, I will talk to you soon. All right. Thank you. Bye.


So good evening. I hope you've had a nice lunch. So my name is Anastasis It's a Greek name. It's a little bit weird. So just tolerate me for that. I work at CERN and I'm going to do something a little bit strange today. I'm not going to speak a lot about CERN we're going to speak about OpenStack most of the time and I'm going also to tell you a little bit of my story how things started for me with OpenStack and how I First opposed to the problem about booting. I don't know if anybody of you had ever experienced problems problems with when when they try to To boot a very big infrastructure and you have a lot of requests at the same time anyone had problems scaling booting with Glantz Okay, I hope I can give you an answer today for you so When I first came came at CERN they told me that I will work with OpenStack and This specific machine here, which is quite amazing Kind of machinery. It's like more Star Wars stuff. So I was very very excited about that and When I first saw it that my first question was okay, how many data this thing is producing and I got my Answer pretty fast because they told me one of the remarkable things about those machines that they are producing a lot of data And when I say a lot, I mean almost 40 terabytes per second Which is a tremendous big number. I mean not that the scaling of any big company I think not even Google can handle those big some amount of data. So My question again was okay. So what do we do here? I mean, how do we manage all these things? and This is a pipeline of how We are able to do that and in the very very beginning We are using electronics FPGAs and stuff like that to filter most of our data and to reduce the 40 terabytes per second to Almost 300 gigabytes per second and then we have in the middle You see we have a complex of clusters to be able to do even more filtering about the data And then we propagate all the interesting information that we found on on a big Network of computers we call it the grid which is a distributed Which is a distributed alliance let's say of a lot of data centers around the world and The grid is where the analysis is taking place So we have the filtering in our in our site and then we propagate the interesting data to be analyzed inside the grid so To be able to filter The amount of data of course we need a very strong complex and this is the heart of this complex We call it the HLT the high-level trigger, which is a big and very strong infrastructure just by numbers we have almost 1,300 nodes and Almost 15,000 of course on those machines and a lot of RAM and a lot of disks and And just from perspective there is a nice benchmarking that we use at least in the physics world We call it HEP spec 06. I don't know if anywhere ever so that benchmark No, okay, one or two people. Okay, so our our cluster it scores on 199 95k and Just from the perspective that tier zero you see and all tier one are The data centers around the world that combine together are helping for the analysis, so only now side we have a very very strong We have a very very strong infrastructure to do our job and Then my question was okay if we need so much CPU intensive code to run your infrastructure. Why do we need the cloud on top of that? And and I got a very nice email that had that had no notes had no Words inside not even a subject and it was just this image and this image was telling me that If you see how the lines are going, this is the amount of data we extract depending of the days So there are some gaps between where this infrastructure is not working at all so the idea was Let's do something to fill those gaps to be able to do something useful between The situation when we don't aggregate data data from the LHC and this is why This is why we built A cloud around that this is why we need it open stack because We had somehow to be able to serve this infrastructure to two completely different groups of people On the one side we have the people that they are aggregating the data They are filtering the data and on the other side we have the people that they are analyzing the data so Using cloud and virtual and virtual machines was the best way to go those two people Those two groups wouldn't interfere one to another. They are isolated and They could both work very nicely So We set it up grizzly open stack back then two years ago and We could only deploy the basic services all the needed services like Nova Glance the Keystone and the Nova API is around and The reason is that we didn't want to interfere too much with infrastructure because for those key services We had to dedicate machines on that we had to extract them from their main purpose to run on the Data filtering and there would be dedicated to only to the cloud so We we were not allowed to use that many dedicated machines and we also Wanted we wanted to be sure but that everything works properly and we use chorusing for that and all the other service like Rabbit MQ and Maria DB. They're working in a failover mode but also the reason that we Used all these services with a lot of Instances is not only to be sure that everything works and to be redundant is also about scaling and when you have and when you have a lot of requests and you want massively to boot already your infrastructure at The less time as possible you need somehow to handle all this quest because as I said, this is a cloud that is Running in in only some hours and you have to not spend time on starting your starting your virtual machines or spending too much time on things that they are not about computing so Just in one minute. You will have a great amount of requests to boot up everything So you need to handle that the schedulers the APIs everything must to be in multiple instances. So all these requests can be propagated correctly So we ended up in Situation like this one on the first side. You can see Just for controllers. These are our special machines that we have our core services there and On the middle we have the gland service with Two instances the Maria DB which is dedicated smaller small dedicated clustered with three machines and On the all the other remaining machines are just the Nova Hypervisors nothing else. They they just have the virtual machines there also about the networking All of our machines they have only one giga pps link because what we care the most is The the computation and not that much the network traffic So they have regular ethernet with one giga pps link and they are connected to two networks So on the one of the downside We have the network that all the information for opens that are passing through and on the other side is where the virtual machines are Connected to the outside world to communicate with the internet or whatever other needs are necessary So when we boot it and we did our first test We ended up in a case like this one so on The left side you see the number of the virtual machines that they are booted every minute and on the x-axis is Are the minutes so when we asked for all when we asked for almost the 400 machines to boot instantly We had to wait almost two hours to have it done. So it wasn't a very good demo and This is where we start actually thinking what's what's the problem what what's going on behind and how we can solve it of course, the problem is the massive booting nothing else and the major Problem is how you propagate your images to the to the virtual machines So we made a small list about what should be our Target and how we can solve the problems one by one So there is a trick in this whole story, which is the Nova Kass Which is where the Nova when you ask for an image Nova is storing your image if you want to reuse it for later on But the problem was with us that this image is changing frequently So on the one hand we were very happy that we found that on the other side It was a very helpful so networking again a bottleneck for the same against situation Maybe one or two runs would be okay between one or two three days Because we could use the same bit the same image But afterwards you have to change it again, and maybe you will lose your whole day just waiting to propagate your images and Also as I said again We are not very allowed to play with a lot of different tools to do what we want to do So the first thing we thought it was okay Let's revise there's review a little bit what what booting is and how open stack is working This is a very simplistic approach of course. I'm sorry for my graphics. I'm not you know very special on that and On the very left side We have the request that we have in a regular user asking for a virtual machine Then the request is going through the API standard Way to do it.  This is a very nice diagram I think this is the correct way to do it when you have distributed systems I don't know if someone disagrees or agrees with me, but I think it's it's the obvious at least way to do it the question is what happens if you have a lot of requests and If you have a lot of users and a lot of it's a machine that must be booted at the same time so the situation becomes something like this and I changed a little bit the colors want to be more obvious So the API because it's quite a simple role to play Well, not very easy, but still easier than the scheduler It should be loaded but not that much Then you have your scheduler that is going to play a bigger role because you have to communicate the database pick the right hypervisors run some queries underneath to pick your hypervisors So it's going to be much more loaded and this is why we have it on four instances in our case and Then you have your hypervisors, but your hypervisors are distributed By definition so no big change there whatever had to do in one request that have to do the same for 1,000 requests On the other side you have glance that is going to kneel from this whole work load because has to serve simultaneously However requests you have so this is not really Working if you have just of course one instance of glance not something Not to distribute it system to do something different. This is just you know the simple approach So I think that you would agree with me that boot makes time And this is why we had the diagram that was linear almost we had to serial serially serve the images one by one and In our case that we run in a certain first action. This is a tremendous big problem I mean we have to solve that and I think that You will agree that is not only us that we serve that we have in That that we are in a certain for structure But I think even big companies that they want to serve Virtual machines to their users They don't want to spend time on waiting for the virtual machine to boot because this is times spent time is money And so on of course there are solutions for that problem the obvious ones Having a distributed file system. I mean I think this is the way that most of the people are dealing with it with this problem The other is if you use an object storage like Swift again, that was the recommended at least the solutions some time back and Well, the obvious and simple solution for students like me at least is okay. Let's have a lot of glances everywhere and let's boot from there But it's not that simple to do that. This needs a fair amount of complexity to actually be able to handle all that and Okay, maybe a lot of glance instances is not that a big deal but working with self or working with other Distributed file system of object storage is it needs quite an amount of knowledge and sysadmin skills to be able to organize all this stuff and Also for if you have a lot of glances on the other side You need somehow to invent your own way to handle and sync all of them together Because if you add one image on one, you need somehow to propagate these changes to the others So we need you need to do something And again just to be sure that we are on the same page We have a massive infrastructure short time to go to to boot everything to be able to to give CPU power to our users, but on the other hand, we have very limited permissions and Very little manpower actually to do all this stuff So the questions arises and is how can we improve it? How how can we exploit the Nova case in our? Advantage because it's it's a nice feature how maybe can we reduce the image size somehow and Of course the biggest question of all is how can we distribute it in a better way without too much overhead of? our administration So our answers on that we're starting from top to bottom for The Nova cast we said that we said that if we know the image that we want to serve We can just push it there before the request comes before the request comes through So this is a little bit the case like big organizations that they have an ocean They call it golden images. I don't know if anyone heard about that So when you have an image that is very very common and you know a lot of your users They're going to use it you just drop it there By default so when a request comes nothing of all this is needed your your your machine is just boot it up instantly For the image size we said that we had some problems there because we are not really sure for What kind of image we're going to get from our users? Because the users are completely different organization out of our scope with just serving them So we said can we compress the image and I'm going to give you some really nice Numbers later on about the compression and the last thing is that How we are going to distribute the image and we said The simple way the simple thing to do is maybe we could use some regular HTTP proxies squid. I don't know. You know squid heard about that It's a very old-fashioned way to to do HTTP things at least before not So we said we have some proxies around maybe can we explode them in our need to be faster on the distribution So our first test was something like this. We said Okay, we're going to set up an HTTP server regular Apache server on the glance side So whenever you have a user that is adding a new Image on your on their behalf we're going to take that we're going to add it on this Apache server Of course, we're going to we're going to compress it And then we are going to set up for squid service on those special machines. We have Maybe even more because as I said we have some other extra machines that they're dedicated to our needs And then the only thing that we need to do is actually go to the machines We already know the image that we want to precast and let's just initialize that we get and Magically, yeah, it works So this is a little bit more about the workflow how actually it works You have your user that is adding the new image on glance regular nothing changed I mean the users they never understand what's what's going on in this case They we have a cron behind that is just checking the file system very simple stuff and We take the image we compress it with gzip Regular stuff again. We save it on the regular folder of Apache server and we Apache server just magically sees it and on the other side We have the Nova compute we initialize we get and the way that we do that is In our case M collective, you know the M collect is a distributed tool to propagate commands So we just initialize it initialize it with one command. Please fetch my image everywhere and The we get is been initialized it we get the image we uncompress it on the fly and I'm going to go a little bit more into that We store it on a temporary In a temporary folder because this may react a little bit strange with Nova and when the image is ready We go we just copy it inside The Novacast some black magic about SHA one naming stuff about Nova and Everything works as should be as I said then one interesting thing is about compressing and What we used it was just a regular gzip command take the image compress it and It's really interesting. Just look at the first line the size we had an image that was 1.3 gigabytes That is one of our examples Not the best one, but not the worst one and And only by compressing with the gzip is going from 1.3 gigabytes to almost 400 megabytes which is Divided by four. It's a big game What is also is interesting is that we tried some other ways to compress it What if someone wants to do the same thing should also Should always think about the ratio between zip time and unzip time because the zip time is something that you You shouldn't care that much how long you should take because it's only it's paid only once on the other hand The unzip time is paid from every Nova compute So you must be sure that your unzip time is really fast if you have a problem if you have a problem with your networking on the other hand if you have a very fast Networking and you're okay with a propagation. Maybe you can go in ever even bigger numbers and Win a little bit from the size so it depends You have to find your use case So from only From from the example we had by this we tried to play again and Can someone imagine what was the result? It was instant All right, of course, I'm cheating a little bit here because I'm not telling you how much time we needed to propagate the image but I'm not actually cheating because the propagation time was just the first line that is down So the propagation time was only some minutes and then we got the request and everything boot it Instantly because it's the everything started from from cast from the cast We also tried the same we also tried to measure the amount of time we need for a bigger installation and This is an example about Almost 1,000 machines more or less and this is the time you need only to propagate the image Not to boot because we don't really care its instant So I don't include it on this diagram is only to give the command to the M collective to give me Give me the image on the Nova and in the very very beginning you see that we have some some Sorry, this is in seconds not in minutes So we have some seconds that nothing happening because the images have been Propagated from the glance itself to the squid services So you need some time all your squid service to be sure that they have the image cast and then when they have it They start, you know giving it also to to the next To to the servers one more trick that we did it was It's not everything here is not ideal a squid is not made actually to do things like that It needs some proper configuration to be able to do it So when we actually do a widget on from our Hypervisors we add a small random delay So not all of the hypervisors Simultaneously start asking for the same image, but this delay is between seconds is if I remember correctly is between Sorry zero to 20 seconds. So It's getting by random So the last numbers that we We we gathered about all our infrastructure in our case was if you go with You know the down way just the normal stuff one glance that is serving or your infrastructure And if you want to do a massive boot Because if you have one glance server and you have sparsely Situations like that. Maybe it works really nicely, but if you want to do a massive boot. No So in the first case we have With no squid and without compression and we are almost to four hours with one thousand two hundred machines If we go only with compression Just by compressing your memory much we go from almost to four hours to one hour Which is a big difference only by adding one feature on the other side If we don't have a compression and go with only with a squid we see we have half an hour So only by care taking care of your network This is the big the big deal to do the networking correctly to be able to propagate your image And of course if you add both tricks you go in less than two minutes as the title at least suggests So that was something that shocked us a lot on how you can Do simple stuff with simple tools because squid and some Apache 7 one command in M collective it Gain us a lot of time To be able to serve our users So we came up with some suggestions on how we would like to see from the community bug And that we would expect to be done and the first thing is that Maybe Nova should think to support arbitrary proxies they already rely on On on regular HTTP requests to get your your images from glance and It would be nice just to have one parameter in the config file Please take this through this proxy. I mean it would be quite easy I think to to be done and also would serve some purposes at least in our case and Also the nice thing about proxies that you reuse known technology to a lot of at least old Administrators and you can play a lot with the topologies you can have multiple levels of your squids to do your magic and The good thing is that your whole propagation is going through a tree So instead of having you know and things to serve you have actually log and steps to to go through which is It's a big speed up On the other hand, we would like to see the compression Just even even if not the user be able to do that Maybe that the administrator would be able to configure the glance to store the images compressed because not of all the users they use Correct formats to do things like that because maybe you have a user that is just storing a raw image So why you should be bothered to to store all this? Maybe you can just compress it and take some megabytes back from that So again the workflow nearby about how We were thinking to do that By the way, do we have people that they are from the novice side that they're committers there? No, okay, because this idea about the image compression was suggested during the Google summer of code last summer and Well, it was not accepted. So I just Another idea that came up that is not exactly in our case, but still interesting to be Explored it would be if Nova was able to To be aware of its cast and when I say aware What we were thinking is that is this when the user asked for a VM and The image is cast in one hypervisor and then they might the VM is been destroyed when you ask again for the same image There is a probability that The request is going to go to the same hypervisor. So why not reuse the same hypervisor that the image is already cast inside and do the things much much faster, so We're thinking something like this you have Nova that is reporting back to database and I don't know if you are aware about Regular open-stack scheduler filters that they pretty much do the same thing. They just have all the information about your Hypervisors and they are filtering on some attributes. So we just want to add one more attribute about which image I have so When the request comes to the scheduler would be able to understand what's going on So about the conclusion for all these things we are very happy that we actually made it work and I think more happy are the physicists on the other side. Also if someone was in the first day and saw the Presentation about CERN the physicists are the physicists are quite demanding people So for more for from four hours that we Our dummy example was needed to do the work. We just need 10 minutes to do that now right now and I think the biggest point here is that we did all this dark magic and all this hack with Solid technologies is not all custom-made custom scripts that has to be rewritten from scratch Yeah, we use solid technologies to do that. I think this was the the best thing and What we think is That there is even more space for improvement and there are some corner cases like ours that can be Easily fit it in the community because I think not all of you have the same problem as we have I think no one knows the whole infrastructure to be booted at once But even if we have a little bit exotic needs It's not very hard to be to be fixed and to be able We to be able to to satisfy them So any questions? Sorry Yeah, yeah, that was one other thing that I wanted to add in my presentation, but my supervisor didn't want to So yeah, we're thinking to to do this with Torrents and Actually, it's a remarkable idea in my opinion. The problem is it's really hard to do it You need You need to think a lot of things about the topology of your infrastructure because everything has to pass some Routers routers. Sorry. So you need to know where where are your acts? You need to know a lot of stuff So it's a little bit hard how you're going to do it and the worst thing is how you're going to give it to the users to Be able to manage that but I totally agree that with a little bit of work. This can be done It should be really really nice Yeah, so When we actually booted all this stuff, it was some versions ago so in grizzly all this stuff are not supported and also, I'm I think this Is not actually pre-cassing in the very new versions. I think it's about You able to cast the image on the glance site So you still have to redistribute it some way and leave your bottleneck is on glance You still have the same thing also the new glance They they if I remember correctly, they start doing a middleware. So I'm not really professional about a professional about the glance side They have a middleware to take care about all these things But still not supporting our version. So somehow we had to hack all this way back The good thing about this, you know dirty hack Let's say is that it's supported in any kind of version because it's completely external to to open stack Yeah, sorry. I didn't hear you. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I I agree This was just, you know a simple illustration about how you can win only by doing a very simple compression You can even use not streaming algorithms You can go even you know to more sophisticated compression in the very end and have even bigger gains or what you need So depends on your case. It was okay for us. We said, okay, just jizz it Other questions No, no, just no I Squid was working It was fine no, no, no, it's when Most of the times is working manually because When the user is actually when I say manually when the user is inserting The image, you know more or less how much time you want to start the propagation So you give a small time window between those cases and you say, okay now this is cast Go on, take the image anymore Okay So, thank you very much