840 here and I've got a peaceful easy feeling and I know that you won't let me down so I'm already standing on the ground so you know that Adam that Eagles song I've got a peaceful easy feeling so there's some some profound lyrics in this song I found out a long time ago what a woman can do to your soul or but she can't take you any way you don't already know how to go so people often want to blame a book for sending them off course or people may want to blame a podcast for sending them off course people may want to blame alcohol or cocaine for sending them off course but alcohol is not going to send you anywhere you don't want to go and a book's not going to send you anywhere that you don't want to go so if you're a Christian you can read Charles Darwin's origin of species and it's not going to do anything to your Christianity unless you're looking for a way out to escape your Christianity now I don't actually smoke anything I just use use this slide for visual effects so you can also read Bertrand Russell's book why I'm not a Christian and if you're intent on saying a Christian you're not going to deviate right a book's not going to take you anywhere you don't want to go alcohol generally speaking it's not going to take you anywhere you don't want to go YouTube is not going to take you anywhere you don't want to go all right so a book a YouTube video a podcast it can it can do things to your soul but it's not going to take you anywhere that you don't already know where to go so I love those I love those lyrics I was talking about these topics with a friend in 12 step recovery today and I pointed out there's this book you know rabbit the limits of Orthodox theology and there was this one Orthodox rabbi who was the head rabbi at a Jewish day school in Dallas and he read this book and it started him on a journey to atheism but he only went on a journey to atheism because he wanted to go on that journey that that book didn't didn't send him off into atheism without him having any choice for himself all right so a woman can do things to your soul a book can do things to your soul a film can do things to your soul but it's not going to take you anywhere you don't want to go so there used to be this kind of hypodermic needle theory of information that if you just got in a shot with with some information that it would just you know completely transform you and you can also call this like the zombie bite theory of information so if I tell you to go out and read a certain book and and that book sends you off course in life that book didn't send you off course in life it's simply unleashed what was latent in you took what was latent in you and made it explicit it released that energy into the world so YouTube is widely blamed for radicalizing people and there are two Penn State political scientists Kevin Munger Joseph Phillips who've been studying YouTube politics and the spread of extremist content on YouTube and they they panned this theory that people become radicalized through YouTube because you don't watch a YouTube video and become a zombie so he writes in the current narrative YouTube audiences are at risk of far-right radicalization hey Bernard how's that night shift working out for you it just sounds like hell the current narrative is that YouTube audiences are at risk of far-right radicalization because YouTube's algorithm is designed to maximize the company's profits via increased audience time and increasing people's audience time on the platform leads them to watching more far-right videos but this isn't true you know the algorithm on YouTube does not lead users down a rabbit hole into which they become trapped all right YouTube can do things to your soul but it's not going to take you anywhere you don't already know how to go or want to go all right you're not forced to watch hours of alternative media content you don't automatically become hardened opponents of liberal democratic values and mainstream knowledge production institutions so this notion that YouTube radicalizes people it's just an unfortunate update of widespread thinking in the 1930s and 40s of the hypodermic needle model of media effects so now you can call the zombie bite model of YouTube radicalization so you know people who watch some you know right-wing YouTube videos they become infected and then the infection spreads and it's bogus I got off doing night shifts Wednesday going back on day shift March 10 okay well what did it do to your soul if a far-right content on YouTube is uniquely powerful zombifying people after a single exposure liberal democracy is in a very dark place indeed fortunately the evidence says otherwise there's no reason to believe that the YouTube algorithm has a noteworthy effect on the audience for all right content a random walk algorithm beginning on an alt light video taking five steps randomly selecting one of the 10 recommended videos only be recommended video from the alt right approximately one out of every 1700 trips so for a random walk at beginning at a control video from the mainstream media the probability is so small that it's difficult to see on the graph it's certainly no more common than one out of every 10,000 trips so while viewers of less extreme videos may indeed have been recommended more extreme videos that doesn't necessarily mean that they are enchanted by it but some people do get deeply into hateful and fringy content but YouTube did not create that audience YouTube simply makes content creation so easy that fringe political actors can tap into an existing base of disaffected individuals who are already alienated from the mainstream so there's this thinking in in England very widespread thinking in England that alcohol has these these you know magical effects on people that particularly the English seem to believe in the magical effects of alcohol but you can find you know hordes of young men in England congregating gambling drinking large amounts of alcohol at a sporting event without getting into any fights or causing any trouble at all and where do they do this they do this is at races at horse races now you put them in a different context such as a soccer match and on a Saturday night binge and they'll engage in conduct completely different from their conduct at the horse races and if you ask them why you know why do you behave one way at a soccer match and on a Saturday night binge but a very different way at the the race as well everyone knows you don't cause trouble at the races or it's just a fact right it's just an unspoken rule that everybody obeys so this is really a matter of expectation that where young males are treated as responsible decorous adults they will generally behave as such where young males are treated like children criminals or wild beasts they conduct themselves accordingly so it's just interesting how people want to blame you know everything but people's own choices the the island races so the English and the Japanese tend to be very polite but in England anyway they have this this belief in the magical effects of alcohol to to shed their inhibitions so generally the English are regarded as fairly reserved which foreigners regard as cold or standoffish but the English make a very big distinction between friends and acquaintances and between friends and close friends so it's not that English are cold or incapable of being open and expressive this is Kate Fox in a great book watching the English it's just that the English find it more difficult than other cultures to be uninhibited among people we do not know well and so it takes the English longer to get to know people well enough to shed our inhibitions so the English ascribe so many magical powers to alcoholism it's amazing that anyone ever has sex in England without alcohol so there's some universal rules about alcohol and drinking places so in all cultures alcohol is used as a symbolic punctuation mark to define to facilitate and to enhance the transition from one social state or context to another so alcohol plays a vital role range from major life cycles rites of passage such as births coming of age marriage death to the daily transition from work time to play time to home time so alcohol is a symbolic vehicle for the work to play transition because it's associated exclusively with play with recreation fun festivities spontaneity and relaxation and it is regarded as antithetical to work so there's there's a there's a saying in the in the talmud that you can see someone's character through how they handle their alcohol how they handle how they handle their money and how they handle their temper but people who turn very nasty under the effects of alcohol that nastiness is just barely under the surface all right and and so alcohol simply becomes an opportunity an excuse to unleash what what they really want to unleash so just like a woman can do things to your soul and alcohol can do things to your soul but alcohol and a woman and a book and a podcast can't take you any way you don't already know where you want to go yeah in vino veritas right in it removes inhibitions so it reveals who you are so there are happy drunks a lot of drunk people are very happy because these are people who are fundamentally happy look at tom brady those videos of tom brady the tamper tamper bay buccaneers quarterback after he won the super bowl and he got really drunk when tamper bay celebrated the victory but he was a happy drunk because at his core tom brady is a happy person people who are nasty drunks that means at core they're nasty people all right so alcohol simply removes some of the inhibitions going online releases inhibitions people will say things in this kind of context that they will be less likely to say face to face but i'm not a completely different person here than i am when i walk outside and talk to friends it's just that this space creates a little less inhibition but uh going online or having a drink it will affect my soul but it won't take me any place that i don't want to go what about gender reveal parties i've never been to a gender reveal party so elliot you're in san francisco you probably go to a lot of gender reveal parties progressive conservative says i'm a happy drunk but my ex was a very unhappy drunk and she turned out to be quite nasty yeah alcohol will reveal who you are just like what happens to you when you lose your tamper will often be quite an insight into your character or what you do with your money so if you cheat with your money you know cheating is probably integral to who you are if you're generous and responsible with your money then generosity and responsibility probably very much who you are okay i like this twitter account by rolf deegan he's a science writer on psychology neuroscience and evolution and uh he he looks at the latest academic studies and pulls out the bits that are the most interesting so apparently in the absence of stresses so stresses are things like family kids people tend to tend to lead fairly dull lives so research documents the pernicious effects of daily stresses on well-being but often ignored in these studies are people reporting no stresses okay people who report no stresses are generally older male unmarried less likely to work less likely to provide or receive emotional support or experience positive daily events they reported higher levels of effective well-being and fuel chronic health conditions but they had lower levels of cognitive functioning the only type of activity they reported with more frequency was watching tv so daily stresses are a proxy to engagement in social activities the daily stresses are known to increase reports of negative emotions but these negative emotions motivate people to challenge their views to challenge the way they live to challenge their own opinions and to change their lives so this promotes healthy cognitive functioning mr fort how many live streams do you do uh it varies so typically i'll do a live stream around three p.m uh weekdays until about five p.m california time and then occasionally i'll throw down an extra one earlier in the day so it just just depends on my schedule so these these morning live streams here from los angeles are quite unpredictable it's just that i may read something i may have you know a few few spare minutes and because i have a mentor in one of my 12 set programs who i was talking to about the effects of say of a book or a podcast or a movie on someone's personality i had that great conversation and he quoted in response this eagle song i've got a peaceful easy feeling and i just love this line i found out a long time ago what a woman can do to your soul so other people can profoundly affect us but she can't take you any way you don't already know how to go right so a book can change our soul a movie can change our soul music can change our soul church can change our soul but it's not going to take you anywhere you don't want to go so you can see all the advertising in the world but if you've had firsthand experience with the product it's not going to shift you if you're a committed republican all the political advertising in the world it's not going to make you a democrat if you're a committed democrat all the political advertising in the world all the news reports in the world all the marketing in the world's not going to shift your basic politics so if you've had great experiences with diapepsy okay all the advertising in the world's not going to shift you if you've had bad experience with diapepsy all the advertising in the world's not going to shift you once you have a firsthand experience with something all all the advertising in the world is not going to shift you so what advertising and marketing can do is is that they can incrementally move you over a notch. So instead of being a passive supporter, you can become a more active supporter or more active consumer of something.  Or if you have no experience with a product and you see it might meet a need, you'll give it a try. But if you try a product based on a TV ad and you have a bad experience with the product, all the ads in the world are not gonna change you. So this goes back to a theme of this show that people are not born gullible. We did not evolve to be gullible. We were not born yesterday. The quote, the title of that great book by Hugo Mercier. So advertising, marketing, rhetoric, propaganda, news media has much less of an effect on people than is popularly understood. So I do live streams with Rev Doovid in the afternoon periodically. So there's no rhyme or reason. I'd say probably averaged one a week. I probably average, yeah, I like Jonathan Hyde. I'm a big fan of Jonathan Hyde. So I probably average about an hour a week with Doovid but it's absolutely episodic. There's no rhyme or reason. So some weeks I might have Rev Doovid on three times in the afternoon and then other weeks not have him on at all. So it's just entirely episodic. There's no rhyme, reason or schedule to bring Doovid on. It's just when he's got something he wants to talk about, I've got something I want to talk about with Doovid. And a lot of my other guests are just, it's just simply periodic.  Every time I do a major live stream. So this, I'm just talking to my iPhone so I can't send any invites. But every time I do a regular live stream I send invites to about a dozen people. And then whether they respond and come on the show depends I guess on their schedule, how intensely they feel about the topics I'm discussing on the stream.  Luke does as many live streams as Sir Shem demands. A boomer gave me a not my president T-shirt with a picture of Biden behind the circle and slash I cringed. Why did so many safety valuing well to do New York is nevertheless support Democrats 100% of the time. Oh, because everyone in their profession does because everyone in their schooling does because it's what is aesthetically expected is what's socially expected. And most of people's political predispositions are genetic.  Okay, Rolf Deegan here. He's quoting various studies. Although high self-control is usually deemed desirable people prefer to socialize with others with low self-control. Like people generally speaking prefer to watch live streamers with less self-control. Like people with less self-control on a live stream are more authentic, emotionally authentic. They're more interesting, they're more provocative, they hold your attention more. So we like to hang out with people with lower levels of self-control even though we prize high self-control with ourselves. I was watching your old streams you did with alt-right figures from 2017, 2018. What do you think has changed since that time? Well, the biggest change is that prior to that time the alt-right were regarded as merry pranksters. And after that time, the alt-right has become regarded as Nazis. On the one hand, they were just like this amusing circus. And then after the shootings, the alt-right became seen as like heinous Nazis. So how am I celebrating Purim? I'm reading the McGillar.  Maybe I should drink until I become a work Democrat. I don't drink alcohol. They can still vote their interests and pretend they do not. Look, political differences aren't primarily just because people see the world differently. It's primarily because people experience the world differently and that's from their genetics. So the reason that people are on the left or on the right is because they experience the world differently. We don't see the world as it is. We see the world as we are. Yeah, Luke Streams are engaging because he has low self-control and at any moment he can whip out his didgeridoo. Yeah, I'm keeping a diary with all my peak didgeridoo experiences. So ever since I went on the wagon with no FAP in June, 2013, now I just keep a diary where I write down my peak didgeridoo experiences. Bernard says he's waiting for three books by delicious tacos to arrive. Bernard says he read the novel, Whatever, by Huelback. Some weeks ago I found it a good read. I haven't read any novels by Huelback. I'm not sure if I can handle much more darkness in my life. I got pretty much unfollowed everyone on Twitter who's bitter. So people I follow on Twitter are either emotionally neutral or joyous. Now, I know if it enrages, it engages, but I don't want the toxicity that comes with that. Populations of whites that were solidly Republican a few generations ago, now solidly Democrat. And you cannot say that their genetics have changed.  So that's interesting, populations of whites. So it used to be that Republicans were the party of the country club and the managerial class. Now the managerial class is increasingly Democratic and the working class used to vote for the left wing party. Now in the industrialized nations, the working class increasingly votes for right wing parties. So yeah, genetics matter most in how one approaches authority. What am I doing to fight male toxicity? I am attending my 12 step meetings. Do I follow a cowboy? No, but some of the videos I've seen is very funny. Hunter gatherers burn the same number of daily calories as sedentary office workers in industrialized populations. Oh, okay, Elliot. What am I doing to fight systemic racism? Nothing, it doesn't exist. So Elliot Blatt, this is for you. Meta analysis of all sorts of academic studies shows low calorie sweetness help you to lose weight. Wow, I think I'll have a nice caffeine free diet Pepsi. So consumption of low calorie sweeteners versus sugar shows that they decrease body weight and they decrease daily energy intake. Beyond the effect, a reduced sugar intake, there is no meaningful post-ingestive effect on energy balance. There was no difference in the effect on body weight between studies in which participants were blinded versus not blinded. Okay, so you wanna lose weight? Go for the sugar-free options. I love a diet Pepsi. I used to be lonely. I used to not know who was my crowd, but then I joined the Pepsi generation. And now I have a community wherever I go and it's young and it's hip and it's filled with life. Don't you wanna join the Pepsi generation? Most people can't tell the difference between a Coke and a Pepsi. Water is better, water is boring. Aren't you tired of being lonely?  Come on. Making your world, making your way in the world today, it takes everything you've got. Taking a break from all your worries sure would help a lot. Wouldn't you like to get away? All those lights, nights when you've got no lights, the check is in the mail and your little angel hung the cat up by its tail and your third fiance didn't show.  You wanna be where you can see our troubles are all the same.  That's with the Pepsi generation. Luke has silk sheets to lay on and silk sheets to play on. Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead. The morning's looking bright and your shrink ran off to Europe and didn't even write and your husband wants to be a girl.    So cold and so refreshing and so good. Not just taste good, it's also good for you. Like this, what is it? What is this thing that people have against sugar substitutes? Like low calorie sweeteners. People just widespread derision and hatred for sugar substitutes and there's like very little backing for this. There's probably been no food product that has been more studied as to its safety and effectiveness than things like saccharine, like sugar substitutes. And it's about as safe as you can get. I mean, yeah, possibly you could drink 20 of these a day and it may not be so great for you. But to have a couple of diet sodas a day, it's safe. But people just have this bug in their bonnet. Oh, it's gotta be natural. Now you gotta drink the real sugar, the real orange juice, no.  You wanna have a body like mine? You think I got a body like mine by eating sugar? No, I got this beautiful body. Okay, I got this beautiful body by drinking diet Pepsi and crystal light. Crystal light, very low calories. Okay, so crystal light, traditional classic orange. I mean, that's how I got a body like this.  How's diet cooked for your teeth? Not so good, but look at my teeth. Do my teeth look like they're suffering from my diet drinks? Do you see a lot of problems with my teeth here? Do you think one or two diet sodas are just reeking havoc on my teeth? Is this, are these the teeth of someone who's suffering from one or two diet sodas a day? Is this a body that's suffering from one or two diet sodas a day? I mean, look at this, look at this. Look, the opportunity cost. You could be drinking organic conch or grape juice. That is filled with sugar and high calories. These teeth look like those of a privileged white man. There's artificial sweetness. There's no food that has been studied more intensely than artificial sweetness. And they're as safe as safe can be. I don't know why people don't trust them. It's just been exhaustively studied for decades and decades. Nothing has been more exhaustively studied than artificial sweetness.  Join the Pepsi generation. Like I found friends, I found community, I found a way of life. Pepsi generation's where it's at, bro. You can't trust those studies on artificial way. They're peer reviewed, bro. This diet Pepsi, it's so refreshing. It's so good. They've just been studies upon studies upon studies upon studies upon studies for decades. Like if they weren't safe, these soda companies would have been sued out of existence. Peer review doesn't matter if the peer suck. That is true. That's a great point. In this one beautiful eight ounce can of diet Pepsi, you know how many calories are in this? Zero, zip, zero, zilch. So cold and refreshing. And it joins me to a whole community of people, to a whole generation with a happy positive outlook on life, the Pepsi generation.  No, Elliot, but I really think you should study that. And please report back. Have I read the Republic of Science by Michael Polanyi? No. Pepsi is for racists, exactly. But there's a whole big, beautiful generation drinking Pepsi. The nicest, kindest, finest people I met belong to the Pepsi generation. Believe me. Shocking news from the Academy. Men regret more having missed out on opportunities for casual sex. Women regret more having jumped at them. Both sexes fail to act upon the lesson. Shocking news. Internationally highly respected German psychology professor Hans Ulrich Wittchen falls off the pedestal in a swamp of misconduct and data manipulation. Study, superiority in recognizing faces is associated with a superiority in recognizing voices. Shocking. Social media use for news is positively linked to uncivil political discussion and to unfriending. So using social media for news significantly directly increases users' likelihood of engaging in uncivil political discussions and in unfriending. Uncivil discussions lead to social media unfriending and social media companies, when they release news via social media, it tends to be much more emotionally dark. Okay, I'm not a big, I don't have a lot of fear of crowds. Like a lot of people think, oh, crowds, crowds are dangerous. Crowds can get whipped up into frenzies. Dr. Pep is not better than Diet Pepsi. People tend to overestimate the intensity of a crowd's average emotion. Ah, both left and right-leaning news organizations expressed more negative than positive effect on Twitter. And these gloomy posts spread further than favorable ones. So if you're enraged, you'll engage on social media. Political-like-mindedness does not seem to play a major role in tight building for most Facebook users. Sociosexuality, the willingness to engage in casual sex can be read from men's, but not from women's facial shape. Sexual boredom is a bigger problem for men and for narcissists. Advice-giving breeds overconfidence in the advisors. So unlike judgments made in private, advice contacts invoke strategic social concerns that increase overconfidence in advice. So advice professionals express more overconfidence than private decision makers. The prevalence of overconfident advice is that advice seekers fail to hold advisors accountable for their overconfidence. Overconfidence is not driven by self-deception or a sincere desire to be helpful. It reflects strategic self-promotion. Many real-world advice contacts present advisors with motives to project confidence to an audience. These motives result in advisors strategically employing overconfidence as a means of self-promoting their expertise. That's why almost everyone on a live stream or on social media giving advice, certainly those who do it in a professional context to earn a living tend to dramatically have way more confidence in their own abilities than is warranted. So with social media providing more avenues for advice professionals to self-promote their expertise, punishing their overconfident claims is unlikely to override their tendency to be strategically overconfident. It depends on the crowd, does it not? Yes. Oh, Curious Gazelle threw down a question and then retracted it. Oh, Brick Lane. So Brick Lane, yes, Brick Lane, 2007 film. It was haunting. So it takes place in London after the 9-11 attacks and tells the story of Nazanine and grows up in rural India. And she's sent to the United Kingdom to marry a much older guy who she does not love. And so she raises two daughters. Her life is not pleasant. She does not love her husband. And but she is submissive to him for the sake of peace and for the sake of her children. And then she begins an affair with a guy who turns out to be a terrorist. Yes, Brick Lane. That's the movie. What do I do for exercise? I go for walks. I have a morning exercise routine. What was that called when you just rest on your arms and your feet? Come on. You know, I'm just like resting here like this. It's supposed to be good for your core. I do that, planks. Yeah, I do planks every morning. Yeah, live stream when I get my COVID-19. Ah, so Curious Gazelle, have you seen Brick Lane? Yeah, it surprised me. And then I've got an exercise bike. I like to ride my bike while watching movies, TV shows, documentary, sports. Okay, what's the biggest single factor that drives people to becoming incels? Lack of flirting capacity, according to one study. Conservatives are less inclined to accept harmful actions for the greater good than liberals. Weakening belief in free will fails to have the downstream effects on people's worldviews that have been made popular. That we found little evidence of manipulating free will belief has any downstream consequences on attitudes, behavior, or cognition. This brings into question prior claims of a causal relationship between belief in free will and behavior thoughts and attitudes. Confronting individuals with anti-free will viewpoints might not have as strong consequences as previously assumed. Biological age rather than chronological age seems to be the critical risk factor for COVID. So advanced age and comorbidity do not appear to justify a lone COVID-19 related mortality. So there is a well-established surrogate marker of biological age, frailty. So what's the difference between biological age and chronological age? Okay. So chronological age is the number of years a person has been alive while biological age refers to how old a person seems. So biological age also referred to as physiological age takes many lifestyle factors into consideration including diet, exercise, and sleeping habits. Yeah, I guess I did enjoy Brick Lane. It surprised me. Robert, I think things are mostly going well. I have nothing bad to say about anyone or anything. I am content with my lot in life. I support what most good people support. Large scale study corroborates that the vast majority of Americans consume relatively moderate media diets making a mockery of the elitist caricature of ideologues in echo chambers. So most people across the political spectrum have moderate media diets. Browsing for news about politics is a rare activity no more than seven to 9% of total web visits to news site was to pages with hard news. Republican and Democrat media diets have about a 65% overlap in 2015, a 50% overlap in 2016. So contrary to diet predictions that Americans would use the internet to cocoon themselves into mutually exclusive echo chambers leading to polarization of attitudes and irreconcilable factual beliefs and instead find a pattern of overlap in people's media consumption patterns. Up to 90% of terrorists showed some type of leaking of their intentions prior to the attacks.  Like you have to kind of whip yourself up into a fury or a frenzy, frenzy before you do something really horrible or heinous. So there are certain warning signs of stress on a person's face and in their voice. They might be gearing up to do something really bad. Twitter professionals tend to perceive accounts that disagree with their side as social bots. Oh, people tend not to admit to themselves that they value their own right to free speech more than they value the right of others to free speech. People generally condone the telling of lies and they even want to be lied to if it prevents unnecessary harm. That causes my understanding of reality. Most people indulge in between two and four passions. Most psychological benefits from a passion derived from one's favorite and second favorite activity. Strangers to ourselves. People are not good at knowing themselves. Like self ratings of internal neutral traits such as anxiety and self-esteem were better than friends ratings at predicting behavior. The friends ratings of evaluative traits such as intelligence and creativity were better than self ratings. Close others are often better than the self at predicting the very desirable or undesirable outcomes such as college GPA, relationship dissolution, psychopathology. Both sexes were more committed to a relationship with an attractive partner. Why are many sex differences larger and wealthier more gender egalitarian countries? Because sexually selected traits tend to decay in unfavorable environments. Oh, this is good. The comfort of strangers. Even very subtle interactions with strangers your short-term happiness. So this may be one reason why a lot of people are unhappy with under lockdowns. We need other people. So most of our interactions with strangers are benign and most of these interactions enhance our wellbeing. So even a smile, a nod, hi, how are you with strangers tends to make us feel better. So places where it's easier to meet strangers and form new relationships are associated with greater feelings of wellbeing. So yeah, I feel that in Los Angeles, California that it's fairly easy to meet strangers and that makes me happy. People I noticed in California tend to be pretty outgoing, happy, friendly. So just greeting a stranger, smiling, nodding, brief conversations, considerably boost our happiness levels. How do I feel about mental health revisionism when looking at historical figures including someone as recent as Henry Kissinger? I'm sure it can be done well and it can be done badly. So I guess it depends on how well it's done and how accurate it is. I find that sleep is becoming more important to my overall health. I used to go without when I was younger that doesn't work anymore. Now I do notice I need less sleep in my 50s than I needed in my teens, 20s and 30s. But I think, yeah, getting more sleep is probably the single easiest, most dramatic one thing you can do to improve your health. So I never stopped trying little improvements to my sleep. So I'm always allowed to new things to do to improve the quality of my sleep. And that's it for right now. Talk to you guys later.


Hi, I'm Matthew coast head dating coach and founder of commitment connection calm and in this video We're going to talk about how to make him fall in love with you So if you don't understand how love works with a man Getting a guy to fall in love will end up being based solely on chance and luck However, if you do know how men fall in love and then it'll be a lot easier for you To connect with a guy in the right way and guide him towards falling in love with you very quickly So most women learn habits when they're children about that that kind of stop them from connecting with a man in a way that makes him fall in love and and Sometimes it even just pushes him away altogether and so learning how to Connect with a guy in the right way Is something that if you didn't learn it from you know a role model or someone when you're growing up It's something that that you know, you're just gonna have to learn now so the key to a Man falling in love with a woman key to a guy falling in love with you is developing a deep Emotional connection with him And so what does this mean? It means that You go beyond the physical level a lot of women focus solely on physical attraction, but Physical attraction only lasts through Typically the sexual encounter and a lot of times guys will end up pulling away or disappearing after sex If you don't connect with him on a deeper level and connect with his heart so there are four kind of pillars here for Creating that deep emotional connection that'll make a man fall in love with you and here they are The first one is making him feel like he's a man around you One of the biggest mistakes that a lot of women make these days is they try to compete with men to be the man at the Relationship and men want to feel like men they want to feel like they can be your man And if you don't let him feel that way around you He'll end up leaving you and going out and trying to find a woman who he feels like he can be the man for So that's the first one is is making him feel like he can be a man around you And you know there's a lot of different ways to do that and one is just letting him bleed letting him Showing him that you appreciate him for doing Manly things like pursuing you or you know doing gentlemanly things like opening doors for you and that kind of stuff And just you know complimenting him or appreciating him for that Another the second thing that you need to do here is making him feel sexually desirable now This is incredibly important and it's something that a lot of people don't understand is that men Get sexual validation from women and Kind of like the one about feeling like he's a man around you if he doesn't feel Sexually validated from you he'll end up going and finding someone that he can feel sexually desirable around validated around and so You know the best way to make him feel sexually desirable is to Is to Tell him how attractive he is when he does things that you'd like so telling him that he's hot or telling him that you You know really like the way that his you know butt fits in his jeans Just you know telling him little things like that can can go a really long way to Connecting with his heart and making him feel like you're somebody that he can open up and fall in love with The third thing is giving him space before he needs it You know a lot of guys it's natural for guys to pull away sometimes And if you give him space before He pulls away It'll dramatically reduce the amount of time that he needs to kind of go off and do his thing and you know Go into his man cave or whatever. He's gonna go do and so if you give him space beforehand He'll appreciate you for it. Whereas if you when he kind of pulls away if you Try to connect with him when he does that it'll only push him further away And so the last thing that you really need to do here is show him that you're on the same team You know like we talked about before a lot of women compete with men a lot of women Fight with men they Kind of bash men a lot You know, it's it's kind of popular in our society right now to bash men And so if you show a guy that you're on his team You're you're a part of his support system that you're in this with him together it can go a really really long way to Making him feel safe around you and opening him up and making him feel like He can fall in love with you And so that's it for this video if you want more information on how to attract mr. Right into a committed Lasting relationship make sure you go to my website at commitment connection calm and take my quiz I'm Matthew coast and I'll speak with you again soon


Right. Hi, everyone. Welcome to a very special live episode of 420 Grams, brought to you by NewsClick. Now, many of you who are active viewers or regular viewers of this very popular sports show, 420 Grams, may be wondering what is this random woman doing on the episode today. For somebody who does not really follow a lot of Indian sports specifically, Indian football, this, I think, there can't be a better opportunity for me to learn more about what is going on right now with this FIFA ban of the All India Football Federation. Let me quickly introduce myself before we get into the topic today. My name is Priyatta Rajvasi, and I am an independent journalist. I have recently started my own YouTube channel where I primarily do news shows, explainers, ground reports, interviews, primarily on politics and national affairs. But I've started to venture into sports, focusing more on women in sports. I also do a live session or a live news session on a platform called Glance Live. And incidentally, today, I had Siddhant Anay, who, of course, you all know from 420 Grams. He was the guest on my show today. And we, of course, discussed this FIFA ban of the AIFF. And that is exactly what we are going to be discussing on this program as well. Let me quickly introduce our panel today, our really amazing panel today. Sharda Ugra, of course, is someone who I consider one of India's best sports writers and sports journalist. She has been on my show as well, and we have had discussions on various sports topics. And of course, you know Siddhant Anay, who is a journalist with news click, and of course, the creator of 420 Grams as well. Now what does this ban, this FIFA ban of the AIFF mean for Indian football? Was this ban a long time coming? What is it going to mean for Indian football specifically? Also this upcoming under 17 Women's World Cup, which India was supposed to host in October this year, as the ban stands, unfortunately, India will not be able to host this very important tournament. What does this, is this also an opportunity for the AIFF to finally get their house in order? We all know that arguably over the last several years, when it comes to the administration of the AIFF, it has been in turmoil. So let me start with you, Sharda. The FIFA in their suspension, they say that it is the undue influence from third parties that is the reason that they have banned the AIFF. Now, given the fact that the Supreme Court dictated from May 18th, where Supreme Court actually removed Rafaul Patel as the president of AIFF, and then set up this committee of administrators to govern or to run the AIFF, that according to FIFA's statutes is textbook violation or textbook example of interference of third parties. Given that, do you think this ban was a long time coming? Hi Priyadha, thanks for having me here. And I've been very remiss with you on many of your shows. So thank you again, and I'm putting my hand up. The ban that the FIFA has imposed on the AIFF, it's almost like a threat in a way against any court action, every time you say third party, you assume that it will not involve what are national, wider national institutions like the Supreme Court, is the AIFF sort of an independent diplomatic body? Does it have its own, is it in a country by its health and it has its own diplomatic court? That's what a lot of sports organizations try to do. And FIFA's ban has come about, there are many sort of complicated little gossipy bits and pieces that are there as to how this came about. But FIFA's ban is basically trying to stop the Supreme Court of India, which is the top court in the country, from saying that Indian football is badly organized and this is our step to amend it because we've had a petition before us about it. And that's where we are now. So it's pretty much a bullying tactic in a way and to sort of pretend that FIFA is this great organization with massive excellent governance principles and therefore they are sort of trying to tell the Indian Supreme Court how to do its business in sports. It's a bit much, but I think we expected it was coming. We didn't know the timing. It came suddenly on Monday night, I think. And that's why everyone was thrown off because its impact has been quite damaging on the football players and the football teams and the football structures that are there in the country. The season is just beginning at some point. It's begun virtually. So that's what I asked. We'll come to the implications of this ban, but Siddharth, why do you think that this took, why didn't FIFA immediately ban AIFF if it was about third party interference? Because the Supreme Court of India came in May this year, right? It has been a couple of months since this dictate has come into place. What has happened in these few months that you think was the reason that FIFA finally banned AIFF? Okay, first of all, welcome to 420 grams, Piyata. It's good to have you here and talking about the subject because it's something that we've been talking about consistently, I think for over a decade in various shapes and forms and various sorts of either cases of litigation or cases of elections or other kinds of functionings of the democratic process that is supposedly governing these kind of federations, right? The FIFA ban as such at this time comes, I think, particularly because it's a question of flexing as much muscle as possible. There is an upcoming tournament. Unfortunately, the tournament is one that plays host to perhaps the most fins in the marketing world of global football, which is young girls, right? They are in terms of at least the money spinning cycle that football is, these are the least involved. And yet they are the ones who will immediately suffer the brunt of this ban. If this tournament is either rescheduled again because it's already been rescheduled once because of the pandemic like we were discussing earlier. But more than that for a generation of I think Indian girls who have been kind of brought into a very nascent stage system, very early sort of introduction to how organized sport and football happens. For them, it'll be another major blow and we don't know how things will proceed after that because the minute you start flexing muscle then the other side also wants to flex its own. So if you're taking on the government of India or the Supreme Court of India in some shape, you're threatening to take away a tournament that this country has pledged its taxpayers' money to kind of support, to host, et cetera, et cetera. Because let's face it, not many nations are currently up for, let's say. Spending the money that it takes to host 16 teams from various nations with perhaps limited revenues from let's say television audiences or advertising money and such like. So the timing of it is extremely, extremely unfortunate. I think all parties could have held off for a couple of months. The electoral process as decided by Laxada was likely saying the Supreme Court of India which is the supreme judicial body in this land and is supposed to function according to the laws of this land. The member, yes, FIFA is an international organization but those associations in India that are members of FIFA both directly and indirectly are very much based here. They are registered with the registrar of societies, et cetera, et cetera. So the laws of India and how perhaps the people of India want sport to be governed, particularly in this case the contentious issue is the inclusion of athletes in the actual governing process, right? Voting rights for those who have participated in that sport at a high level because presumably these guys understand best what is required for the sport to grow, right? Yeah. That goes beyond the ambit of an organization that is based on politics and administration. So the timing of it also is- Right, and I also don't want to focus on what exactly has been the problem within the AIFF. Now, for the benefit of our viewers who might not really be very well informed about what exactly has been the problem going on for so many months or arguably years, shall I if I can, if you could just throw some light on what has been the functioning issues within AIFF and when did this problem with FIFA begin? The problems of the AIFF have been there for, like Siddhan said, for over a decade almost, but the ones that came into notice recently are fundamentally about the fact that they did not stage any elections for their national body, for their president and the executive council and all of that for the last two years. So what has happened is that the incumbent president Praful Patil had served a term of 12 years, sort of three, four year terms, and that was it. He had to step down and step aside, but they didn't have elections using maybe COVID as a reason for holding off the elections. That was the first one. And then the fact that they needed their constitution to be aligned to what is the sports code. Now, the sports code in itself belongs to 2011. It was set up to try and bring national sports federations into some kind of pattern of transparency, accountability, having elections because it's tax payer money that they use. So these guys had run on the train of the sports ministry and our taxes for decades. And then the sports code came in. They wanted to make this a bill, this thing by law, but because that couldn't happen, the court said, okay, let this sports code be the basis on which we will now go ahead. And this is where the AIFF is at the moment. It's basically, why didn't you have elections? Why didn't you take on the, adopt the new constitution that includes as the committee of administrators have said, 50% of the voting members have to be former players of a particular standing. And then that was scaled out to 25%. So those are the fundamental issues that are there. But whenever any organization, any sports organization is asked to rework its constitution to sort of use basic best practices in governance, the first thing that gets challenged by the people in power or those who have these posts is the tenure limit and the age and the limit on your age as to how old you can be to hold office. And that's the first thing. So no one's looking at the sport behind it. No one's looking at things that genuinely may be contentious and may have been done in a almost without that much knowledge of how football is supposed to be governed on the ground. All those kind of issues get set aside. Everyone looks at age and tenure limitations. That's all that these guys focus on. And now voting rights is the other issue in contested. They don't want people from the outside athletes to have the right to vote, right? Because then it means that the football players who I must say here are the far more independent minded than any other sports people in the country. They have the most agency fundamentally than any other athletes. You are restraining their right to themselves old office in a way to sort of step in and say, I can do this. I can do this better. Whether they can or they can't, it's different. We don't know. But that's what the issue is. It's about power holding on to power despite the fact that you have done crazy things and terrible things during your tenure of how many ever tournaments. You can't dare to let go. The other thing, you were talking about Piyata, the timing of it, right? And that was a surprising thing of it also. Sure, there could have been a ban in place long, long ago. 2017 actually is when this committee of administrators was actually put into place. So, if there was to be a ban, then we could have done it at the same time because at the same time, the foundation of the third party interference was at the same time, right? It has happened at this stage when FIFA all along has been communicating to us. They sent a team, a joint delegation of the FIFA and the Asian Football Confederation visited India, spoke to all the people involved, right? State associations, COA, et cetera, et cetera. Over the last few days, this conversation has now shifted to one directly between FIFA, it seems, and the government on the other side, which is the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports. And essentially even the court today, in its wisdom, has pretty much said that we now hand over this process to, we'll see what happens on Monday. So, and we'll talk again about the subject. But largely, the priority is to host. Monday is when the Supreme Court is going to hear this issue again, yeah. Yeah. Monday is when the Supreme Court will hear it again. Before that, 19th is the last date for filing of nominations for the post of President of the All-India Football Federation. So, by Monday, we shall have a lot more information than we currently have. But what we do know for a fact is that essentially, again, because the narrative has also been better and rightly so, there's no disputing that narrative. There is a World Cup for undisputed women that is happening and that should happen. We all wanted it to happen, right? But so, what they are saying essentially is that in order to host that event, you have taken the decision so far, the court time, the COA has worked, the recommendations from different experts, you have to do all of that. You go back to where it was in 2017, 2014, or the system before that, on the basis of that, you make an election, you elect a body, and then that body can then decide if any of these changes that are suggested, for example, Sharda was talking about bringing the constitution in line with the national sports court, which includes this very important subject of 25%, or some kind of representation for athletes themselves. I would argue it should go even a step further of creating a players council and recognizing official players unions, right? Because those are the bodies that we have seen now evidence of this around the world. In the United States, the players union of, and the United States is a capitalist country that believes it is the leader of the free world, right? So there's no theoretical curtailment of anyone's rights there. So there, the players unions of the men and women have come together to argue or negotiate for a payment settlement that is fair and on equal terms, right? That is a sign of some kind of progress in the system. Here the minute we make steps towards progress, we are threatened by these kinds of bands and such like, right? Which are not even interested. There's no, in all of the communications from FIFA to the AFL, there is no vision of who takes charge, what the plan should be, et cetera, et cetera. The only thing is that elections should be conducted what in what it regards as an independent manner, right? So independent means proper. I just interrupt here Priyadha because you know, look at the cynicism of this that they have put an election that has to be held at in X period of time as priority over a tournament that has to be held, right? And then we cannot bear for this election to be in any way different from what we wanted to be. That's the AFL slash FIFA and that is pretty much the same sort of people on the same side as against the fact that you could actually have held the women's at the 17 World Cup. But because I did want to, I did in fact want to come to that, Onishada because now how is this ban going to work specifically when we talk about this under 17 women's World Cup that India was supposed to host? Is there any information on where this, if not in India, where is this going to be held? Is there any information, any information from FIFA about that? What is the future of this tournament going to be? There doesn't seem to be any information about it. There doesn't seem to be any, literally it's like a bargaining, it's like a negotiating chip and saying this is what we're going to do. Like Siddhant was saying, it's not a high priority tournament, it's not a big money owner. So you can move it whenever you want from this month to that month to that month to this, when you are the other. The other thing that was very unfortunate because they would never do this with men's tournaments or they would never do this with the Qatar World Cup. There is an Indian women's football team, Gokul and Kerala FC that is in Tashkent has to take part in an AFC Asian Football Confederation club championship, like a champion's league amongst the best women's clubs in Asia in that championship. And they are stuck because they don't know whether they can play their first match on the 23rd that's next week. They have no idea that the club chairman is sending out a message to the Prime Minister, he's sending out letters saying, please sort this out, please sort that. This is like the immediate thing that's right ahead. But it's like these people, they don't care. This is literally collateral damage for them. Doesn't matter. You don't play a tournament, we don't care. So that shows you what you say, the neath of the sports administrators of this country, Indian football, that the neath shows every day. People who are going to be worst affected by this right now at least are the women's football heroes. Yeah, absolutely. And they don't care. These guys really don't care. That's why you're seeing it like this. And I could go on, in every sport you'll see this playing itself out. There's no, this is nothing new that we're seeing. It's just a repeated pattern over and over. So if you could talk about how this ban is going to work, we, yeah, we of course spoke about these two tournaments, but how is this ban going to work? How is it going to impact Indian football, you know, as a whole? Siddhant, I think. Honestly, it can have a two-way impact. One is that we can put our heads together, get our act together and figure out an actual roadmap, a plan that works for everyone. Unfortunately, all of this fight, we can blame one person and two people and how they voted and all of that. By the way, before we end this show, I would also like to do a quick, to the extent of the information we have, clarifications of all the rumors and other fake news slash misinformation that is going around on this subject, because it is, it's not like, you know, a lot of people say a lot of things on Twitter and not all of them are true. But anyway, going back, sorry, I have a completely lost track once again. Yeah, how is this ban going to work? And it's caused the impact on Indian football? In the short term, if we make use of this ban as time to restructure, to figure out, like even now, the process that is in place, right? So elections are going ahead, right? As far as the mandate of the committee of administrators is concerned, the Supreme Court has given them an order. The order is that you have to make an election before the date. Those dates are within FIFA-stipulated guidelines. So, which means that we are all on the same page, right? Among the litigants in this case is everyone who is involved, right, except the players. So, state associations are involved, right? The AFF is involved, FSDL is involved as the commercial partner, and of course, the Union of India is involved as... So, with the involvement and acceptance of all parties and lawyers on all parties had agreed, that's why the timing is so problematic, because on the 3rd of August, everyone has agreed that what we will do is we will agree on an electoral college, right? These are the people who will elect the executive committee. That committee will be elected. So, you will have met FIFA's requirements of having an elected body in place. Now, that elected body will be an interim body, which will then take a call on whether this constitution is something we can adopt. It is in the benefit of football or not. If it is, and we all agree, which we are currently saying that we all agree, right? Then that is adopted and new elections take place according to what is stipulated in that constitution. It's fairly simple, right? Everyone had said done and dusted. Then suddenly boom comes a time at the stroke of the midnight hour, right? Yeah. It's a bit shite off. So, unfortunately, what all of the parties involved in this entire process have let on is that they are just using it as a game to achieve their own end goals, which is to determine who has power over this entire case, right? Yeah. And in the immediate future, yes. The women's team, both Gokulam Kerala, who are in Uzbekistan and need to play AFC Cup games, for which, by the way, many of those players are signed for that club, right? Women's football in India, let's be truthful and honest here, right? It's not professional. The contracts that are offered to these players to come and attend for an entire season, okay, maybe they are given support and I'm not criticizing the Gokulam project. I'm just saying that it is not a living wage. You cannot make a career out of playing these tournaments year in, year out by any stretch, right? They are doing it because it gives them the opportunity to play against some of the better countries, better teams in Asia. And go as athletes and as people and all of those, all of the reasons why we are supposed to hold sport to some kind of standard, right? So that completely being destroyed, taken away from them as with these young girls who are meant to represent India at the under 70 World Cup and just 15 other countries who have been preparing for these climatic conditions to travel all the way from wherever they are, et cetera, et cetera. So- Absolutely and given the urgency of this, Sharda, do you think that this ban can be lifted sooner than later or do you think that it is going to be like a long haul sort of a scenario? It depends on what the intention is. I think that it's a suspension first of all, it's not like a proper ban ban in that sense. It's a suspension. It can be changed whenever someone makes up their mind to just write a letter and say, okay, fine. This is what we sorted out and we'll do. Whether it'll happen or not within time for the under 17 World Cup, Women's World Cup, that we don't know because of the fact that the courts got into it and there's a hearing and there's a date and you get into that cycle of sort of legal ranking. I mean, if I may just remind everyone watching that the BCCI case took about two years or three years and they're still trying, they haven't still sorted it out. We are now in from 2014 to now, yeah. It's about seven years, eight years. And they're still stuck, but cricket is going on. So in that sense, if there is an intention to get this underway and for FIFA to kind of say that, okay, let's not sort of crush this tournament. I don't think, actually, now I'm thinking about it. I don't think anyone has even realized that this tournament was there. When all this shenanigans are going on, nails are flying and phone calls are there and people are reaching up to their buddies in higher places. I don't think they even realized this event was happening in October. That's like eight weeks away or eight or 10 weeks away. I don't think it struck them. And now they think, oh, how do we sort this out? This is a little bit of a mess. We can manage with Gokulam Kerala. They can set them to one side, but the great national project of women's empowerment of the under 17 workup, it's like looking at you like some really bad, it's a bad look. So maybe- Yeah, it is a bad look. It will go ahead. I think that they will just feel embarrassed enough to have a go ahead and sort of maybe slide past a few things and see what happened. That's my guess. So that, what do you think? They didn't think- No, absolutely. I mean, and I would even suggest like at this stage, whatever happens on Monday, there's literally nothing stopping the honorable Supreme Court from saying that, okay, we repeat all of this, right? You want to do it a certain way you do it and let them do it how they want to do it and let the World Cup be hosted. And there's nothing stopping from litigants will always exist, right? There will always be people who will have different sides and different stakes in football. It's massive and has a very, very diverse range of stakeholders. So these possibilities to re-engage with the subject of what will happen with the wider thing always can exist later. And I think as a, at the stage we're at right now because, you know, those are the schemes. Yeah, what? Whoever is at fault for all of this, right? Whether it's the COA that has been sitting on rebuilding this constitution since 2017 and has done no work for five years, right? That is also a legitimate argument that no one will refute to ask for extensions on time. I mean, a little bit of no offense to anyone, I'm sure. But a little bit of a lack of, you know, you're dealing with sport after all, a little bit of movement more than the usual might be necessary and kind of pertinent. But okay, what's happened has happened. But why hasn't this happened yet? That, you know, that is at the end of the day that's the question, right? Because no one is interested in doing it. Basically, the existing electorate, if the deciding load is in everyone's interest, if the status is under their control, then why would they move the status? That is essentially it. And it took so long, Priyatta, for this to be really the interest of the sport. The interest of the sport is not the end game, I guess, right now. Not at all. You can just be, you can see, I mean, you can see it through the way this has gone. There are many, so I'm sorry to interrupt Sharda, but there are many instances over the past, let's say 10 years since the AFF has had a commercial partner, right? That many key decisions of the Federation were not taken for footballing reasons, but were taken for commercial reasons, right? Whatever they might be, whether it's a broadcasting schedule, the schedule of the IPL elections in the country, 100 reasons, right? At none of those stages, let's look at the women's team. Since we are talking about how much we care about women's sport all of a sudden, right? We hosted the AFC Asian Cup for women. It was the first time in a long time that India was competing at that level. We had a realistic chance of qualifying for the World Cup. It would have been the first India team to have done that, right? What happened instead, we had a bio-bubble bridge as the host nation. That's the level of care we extended to our team. No other team was impacted by COVID-19 in that tournament. Only India, which had its own hotel, separate arrangements and was the host nation so taking care of itself, I'm guessing, right? The IWL was postponed time and again during the pandemic, even though two men's leagues happened multiple times in bio-secure bubbles, right? This is despite FIFA releasing tranches of money that were meant specifically for women's sport to continue to function and be supported, right? So this is a track record of, let's say, the federation that controls football in India. At none of these stages, right? Did anyone jump in and say, that there's something wrong here? Somebody else needs to come in. The court has taken, let's say, not so much over through petitioners taken cognitions of, that they are not going there. And there's a plan in place for the country, right? A template for all sports federations to function in India. So who is the third party that is interfering? Is it FIFA or is it the court? These are some of the questions that we need to be asking also as fans, as participants in this process and as, you know, especially as people who consume this circus of football. Like Sharda is likely saying, nobody is bothered really about this tournament happening, right? One week ago, the same organization that has banned us has done an event where one of their global ambassadors has traveled all the way to New Delhi to launch tickets for this tournament. One week ago. You didn't know what was going on, right? Third party interference. No, no, no. This is horribly cynical. It's horribly cynical. And I need to realise that all this can be seen through. It's not over a veil of opacity, the fog of war in which they operate. Yeah, given the, you know, situation, the dire situation right now, I think that, you know, having representation of players is actually quite important. It makes a lot of sense. Whether it makes sense or not, we are not debating what the law is, right? If the law of the land, if the national sports court says that there should be clear representation, then that's it. End of story. Why should anyone, right? If the government of India, when today the United States makes a statement saying, oh, India is taking a convenient stance on the Russia-Ukraine conflict. And the Minister of External Affairs comes out and says, we have the right to have an independent and sovereign foreign policy, right? We make interest in the benefits of paraphrasing policy, right? So similarly, why should a national sports federation, a federation whose responsibility it is to run football in this country, give that to someone else, right? Or even like, sure, we can have conversations, we can have dialogue. If he has best practices, let us see those best practices, right? If I know... Sharda, what is the reasoning for this? Sharda, what is the reasoning for this, you know, for them to not want the player representation? Insecurity, fundamentally, you know, because these organizations, state associations, they are very old-standing sort of people that are there. Well, meaning people, you know, I'm not saying that they're all evil geniuses. Some of them are well-meaning, some of them do great work in the states in which they work. To have someone else come in, will they be better? Will they shout out to me to who I am, what I do? That's what seems to really get people shaken up. When this whole discussion was happening about how many players are we going to get on the executive council that they're going to have a vote, people started talking about, let Baichang Bhutya stand as president, you know, that kind of thing. Now you're seeing in the example of cricket, they're having even a very highly regarded athlete as your president, doesn't mean that you'll push towards greater governance, but the point is at least give that a chance, you know? It is almost like you're saying, wait, this is our Dukan and nobody else can be in charge of this Dukan. Nobody else can come in and say we can run this Dukan. It's a sports governance people that ministers, politicians, bureaucrats, that whole business people, that whole sort of coterie in that sense. And they don't want players to come because I think Siddhant's point about the player unions getting a say and getting a voice and getting a vote is hugely important in sport. In India, you don't have player unions. The footballers I think are the only ones that have- And they're usually impactful as well, yeah. Absolutely, the footballers I think are the only ones that have some kind of a union that is able to argue about rights or you know, about some money for players that are having injuries or whatever it is. By the way, these are, and we are supposed to, so that is also a violation of some kind of FIFA code. Because for example, in the case of football, FIFA Pro is the world union that represents professional football players, right? Everywhere, yeah, everywhere, yeah. And it is part of a national association's responsibilities. It's not written in the statutes, but there's some understanding between FIFA Pro and FIFA that this is the official union and they are sort of recognized as legitimate and real. So therefore, each of the member nations should also have a representative council of voting because at the end of the day, in their labour, you're making profit or whatever you're making, whatever system you're making, whatever you're doing, right? So they need to be, I think, voiced and... At the end of the day, it is the players only, right? It's getting impacted. Yeah, that's all right. So many players we approach to talk on this show, not so many, but a few, right? Rightly so, either they are still playing or they have their coaches or they are somehow in different ways associated with the sport, right? Now, when the case is so complicatedly litigious, right, and you have so many sides to the story, everyone is quite naturally and expectedly confused. So players are unwilling even though we might have a union, right? Unwilling to say that this is what is best for the well-being of the players on whose side you are building this sport, whether they are men or women. They are not even able to say anything. Yeah, so at the end, I want to give you the opportunity, right? At the end, I don't want to give you the opportunity of debunking some of the misinformation that you were talking about that is right on social media, if you want to talk about that. No, actually, if there are any questions, we can take them. But otherwise, I mean, the thing, there is one bit of chatter that I saw about Rafaul Patel and him voting against India at FIFA being the equivalent of India's ambassador to the UN voting against India on a resolution. That is not what happened and that's not how the system works. This unanimous ban or suspension, which, by the way, are the same thing, because a suspension in effect means that you are banned from participating in anything, so it's a ban. This suspension was decided on unanimously by the Bureau of the Council of FIFA. The Bureau of the Council consists of seven people as far as the statutes of FIFA are concerned. That is the president, this is de facto, right? The president and the president of the six other confederations, so the AFC, Konka Gav, Konnabol, Gav, etc. Those seven people form the Bureau. So because Rafaul Patel is not the president of the AFC, he's not a de facto member and because he has a conflict of interest anyway, he could not have been nominated by the AFC as the voting member. So it's not that he went to FIFA and voted against his own team, but no doubt the matter has been brought to attention and FIFA is taking action, again, not so motto because it has been brought to the notice of FIFA by people who are members of FIFA in some way or the other, that is their job. They are mandated to step FIFA, if someone is harassing us in our house, then they will tell us the rent of your house, won't they? So that's what's happening basically. Yeah, also very quickly, I've written about this that the current world of football is going to be played in Qatar. Right, now they are very contentious, they are being held for in the European winter for the first time, whatever. Obviously there is a third party involved when Qatar won the right to stage the World Cup, it's not just the Qatar Football Association, it's the entire Qatari government, it's the royal family. So what are you talking about third party events? Same for everyone, Barack Obama endorsed the US's campaign for that very same World Cup and that's why America was so angry and an investigation was launched into corruption. The Department of Justice was left in arms that he didn't give America, how did he give Qatar? How is this possible? This is not fair. Yeah, exactly. Final thoughts Sharda and Bhai Chung Bhutia after this news of the ban came to light. On his social media he said that of course his ban is very very unfortunate but he said that this is finally an opportunity for the AIFF to finally get things in order, finally get their house in order. Do you agree with that? It is, what they will do with this opportunity I don't know, whether they will just use it to sort of fortify their defences for the future that's what the cynic in me is looking at saying that this is what they are going to try and do because I think because Indian sports and sports federation are in such a legal bind now that everyone is fighting for their turf. So I think they will still try and protect their turf and they will try and gloss over a lot of things. I mean if it could be revolutionized and a new person could take over who is, no one is a messiah in sports administration but someone with a little bit more, almost with football and focus rather than their own position then it will be a big deal. And as for what Biting has said you are just saying let's hope what he wants happens and comes true and that there is a change but I am telling you the cynic in me is just shaking my head and saying these guys are uncrushable, they absolutely shameless. Don't say that Sharda, be skeptical but avoid the cynicism. Final thoughts. Yeah, you know, final thoughts. My spot is dealing with Saurav Ganguly as BCC chief, what are you saying? No, no, actually it's just an idea thing, I mean we were talking about this earlier in the afternoon also that even with the Indian Olympic Association there is nothing like that. Yesterday Delhi High Court heard a few things which even takes this conversation forward. So it deals with now the entire Olympic fraternity as such. So now the Commonwealth Games are over and everyone has celebrated India's performance and 60 plus medals etc. So it's important and time to talk about it. That house is in as much of a mess and so if the Delhi High Court for example is following the precedent set by the Supreme Court of India in issuing the kind of instructions it's essentially appointed the same process over committee of administrators to relook at the constitution, hold fresh elections and start the process again. Two of the members of that committee of administrators are former chief election commissioner Dr. S. Vaikureshi and retired Justice Anil Gavi. The very same who are on the committee. You would just say that you would be the same people because they would be busy. You would want them to focus on one sport rather than on the right. But Shaila the point is the same in the understanding of the structure and the court. The modalities of the functioning of the sport no doubt would be different but you are not writing a handbook for how sport is being run. You are just writing a constitution based on which this body is to be elected and the longest actually part of the constitution itself is the process of those elections. How it will end, what will be the electoral college, it goes into several parts. Whereas the statement that the interest of the players is done in one line. It doesn't require several parts and several articles etc. So these are some of the questions that I hope and people are saying on the chat that Akash Bainerji and Dhruv Rathee I assume these are the world famous YouTubers of our planet are talking about the subject. Hopefully they have also done a bit of research and they are figuring out what actually is going on and just a knee-jerk reaction to like India must be un-banned because we must also question what are the wider forces at least. So Siddharth we can end our discussion right? We can I think unless there are any questions. Now I am using myself just banned politicians. Come on Siddharth how do you see the accountability of FSDR for this crisis? That is a question. I think it's fundamental actually this entire process has started from the signing of that master rights agreement. We were around covering the same beat in 2010 when it was happening, 2011 when it was happening and the same discussions were held then that there are ways in which these are done even if one is saying that you have to establish some kind of Sarkari model. Because actually he was saying that at this time this Sarkari model should have been everything should be private like shiny, bright and coming from the west. So you should go from a private model which has been made by football leagues in the world whether it be English League or Spanish League etc. All of these leagues already have established a way of functioning in which there is some semblance of all of at least the participants being on the same table. Here we are creating a structure, the base of our structure is that one person owns the entire ship. Now when that person decides that it changes their mind, what happens then? That's where we are starting. Now that person is unsure whether to open up this world and allow the rest to come in or to try and keep the arc pristine. And so there are lots of conversations around money should come in, investment should come in all of these things should happen. No one is denying the force of history. But you are saying you are taking best practices based on FIFA statutes and how leagues are on the world function. Then please tell me which other league is owned by a single entity and where the broadcaster which is the prime source of revenue. So how do you tell us in the IPL if the broadcaster owns the league how did we earn 18,000, 50,000 crores? Exactly, exactly. There are many flaws in the IPL but it's franchise model of funding and all that seems to be the one that is most efficient and the most profitable in that sense. We are able to make it work. It's copied from how things are done. From the US model that after 5 years you will get so much and now there's money coming in and so on. The football one is just bizarre. It also doesn't work. We have seen how much people have tried to develop. In Delhi there are dozens of football clubs, more in fact. How many of them get counter fan base and ISL team started here. How many people attended those games? More people attended North East United games. Let me ask you both a question and it comes to Indian football. Is it too much money or too less money? There is no such thing as too much money in Indian sport in that sense. Outside of cricket actually there is no such thing as too much money in anything. But you would just want there is too little expertise and there is too little professionalism in the administration of Indian football. That is my two sentence. I think too much too soon. We went very quickly from having nothing at all and I am not saying this from a super silly point of view. But overnight the budgets of clubs to exist and to play. Why does a club start? Because it is allowed to participate in competitions I am assuming. It has its own members. There are members of other clubs. They play against each other. That is the very purpose of a football club. Now if you put a condition on that that you will only be able to play when you give us 10 crore or 100 crore rupees or 100 rupees of fees. So automatically you are excluding a ton of people. And that is not the case. And Priyathu this creation of this league what it did also at the same time what happened very slowly was almost a decimation of leagues across the country states, smaller levels.  I think our fans should not forget. Our fans I am saying like we have hordes of them. As in 420 all the loyal viewers and listeners and readers we were a country that was competitive in Asian football in the 60s and then through the first half of the 70s. And professionalism so we had the structures, we had cultures you had this happening but this has been decimated and you brought this little nice bubblegum sort of model and you put switched on television and said let's football. So that's what happened. Absolutely. And we barely qualified for the Asia Cup as well. That is another long story. You summed it up. These things need to be looked at in a broader context and beyond just emotionality. Because otherwise if anyone wants to do what they are doing let them carry on it's fine. Might as well have all leagues everywhere. I think and again maybe I am overstepping but for most broadcasters as well as organizers having sports events in a bio bubble is a dream. Provided there is no life threatening virus outside of course. If you were to take the virus out of the equation these guys would have all events in controlled environments because the variables reduce that much and it makes life so much easier. So in any case, the money is coming from your TV by and large. And Manchester United has as many fans as England but to get to that stage first there has to be a connect between all the people involved in the sport and in India that opportunity is still very limited to pockets. So until then this idea of having big leagues is great and no doubt there has to be a national league but reality has to come into play in terms of where we are and what can be a more sustainable model not what can be a model image only billionaires can afford to put teams in. Yeah, yeah. Let's end on that note Siddhan, what do you think? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I want to thank all of our viewers who are watching our live discussion. Thank you so much for taking our time and doing that. Thank you so much Sharda. Thank you so much Siddhan for having me on the show as well and it has been very, very informative very, very insightful this discussion. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for being the same voice and the moderation on the session. Much, much, much needed. Thank you very much. At very short notice as well. So really happy to have you here. And for our loyal fans like Sharda said we'll be back guys with some kind of something sometime soon. Some kind of something sometime soon. That's a classic 420 grand sort of slogan. Some kind of something sometime soon. Yeah, some kind of something. Yeah. Thank you everyone. Thank you guys. Stay safe. Thank you.