Recording in progress. We're normally a couple hundred thousand pounds today. We're at 6700 today. Well, but we're back to treating everything within state permit requirements. Which we obviously couldn't for a while and neither could anyone else in the area. And really, in working on the FEMA part of it and beginning that it's really Winooski street. There were a couple culverts, some issues and watchouts. Nothing that wasn't fixed quickly. So that's all good. I've also already confirmed with FEMA that the towns that longed us labor and equipment that we can claim. And send them a check. So that's, they weren't looking for that, but if the federal government will pay for it, I think it's a rational reasonable thing to get to that. And thanks to all the volunteers and those like for members that are reading that effort, because it's really turned from a missable effort into. Your effort. Yeah. I just, Tom, do you want to just name the municipalities publicly? I know we've done it before. Yeah, among the many folks who deserve things that are offered time and equipment with no expectation and return. Short Stowe gave us a brand new beefy four inch water pump, which helped a lot. Saving the burns at the wastewater plant. St. Albans gave us the back truck and I believe three and a half days of labor to go with it. Good question. Thank you. Thank you. And that's all for one and can give us their truck in a day of labor. And I forget, I believe Burlington also finished in pumping out. Yeah, or four year to Burlington. I'll start. Thank you again. We're going to hear stuff around about the word and getting word out. It's just made a huge difference the way that we're able to communicate public works comes the library. And we're not happy. We have to gosh because libraries, then you'll find they're offering a place to be that help assist people who need which is both port and shared port application support, but they wouldn't get somewhere else. So, like, I think the term that takes the village is water break, and I don't know if that's on my mind. And then an update is that we've sort of turned and pivoted from large scales, many hands on the ground in as many areas as possible efforts to now holding in on individual items, household people who really need help. So we're toning down the big all call for all hands on death and turning into more specific crews going to specific location for tasks and people who need help. So while that's happening, there will still be someone whether it's literally go less than myself, Kane other volunteers here in the steel room, we expect through Friday so that folks can come in if they need it. So there's ways to get in touch, whether it's water break, help at gmail.com that we're coming in here in person. Just because we're not sending lots of people, I don't want folks to think there isn't help. So that's the message I can get out. I want that message to get out. There's something we can't do as volunteers that need professional help. We've got lists of professional experts who are offering either volunteer services, consultation or help just connect you with a professional, whether it's a contractor, plumber, etc. So we'll do our best to do as much as possible before that, you know. And I'm not saying that I didn't order a list, though. I don't think you're missing anything. I just wanted to add that the resolve of our volunteers when finishing a project and as we began to pivot, to being smaller groups for specific households, when the volunteers said, what should we do next? We said, well, we've been fielding calls from other towns, and they were like, OK, and drove to the other towns to help people in surrounding areas. I thought that was absolutely incredible that they just spent an entire day working in Waterbury when we said, OK, go home. They said, no. And they went and helped somebody else. The volunteers in this town have really blown me away. It's just incredible to see our kind of company together like this. And the last thing I would say just to say out loud, there is still a form. So as of the beginning of this meeting, we have a thousand responses. And then just to highlight how many folks, again, the vast majority of that folks offering help. We also know and we've said it before, but to say it again, the folks are processing and understanding this event and the impact and the needs over time. So if you haven't reached out for help and realize you really do need help, we still would love to hear from you and try and help connect you to resources online. The little it's in a lovely. We now have banners on our municipal website, waterburybt.com. So it's linked there. You can go to bit.ly slash Waterbury help complete that form. You can also leave a voicemail to the Google suite.<PHONE_NUMBER> and we will get a transcript of those voicemails. Again, just try to match folks to resources. As was said, there is drop in hours at the library. And again, those are included in that resource document. And again, we just say like looking at serving folks. We haven't reached Waterbury, those who still need help. And like Kana, we've been to also looking at how we can share that wealth of resources and volunteers willing to help Waterbury across the state because we recognize there's widespread need. So connecting to other municipalities and groups during this work, looking out for process reviews to help stand it up and also getting those contacts so that we can spread resources we don't need to other places. And thank you. Do we need in the community more of the flood bucket case? We've got a bunch on the red cross today. So I know there are like five pallets in Mary. I don't want to take that into consideration. No, I thought we needed what we have, but thank you. OK, I was just going to be in Mary on how I'm staying.  Anyone has sub-punkts? The nd.ly slash Waterbury Help, we could use a few more. We've been matchmaking throughout the day. That and the other thing. Yeah, we do have some still coming, but they take it. I don't remember inviting him. And how about the demand from the surrounding towns like Ducksbury, this corner on Moortown and certainly as well? Yeah, I drove up to Ducksbury in Moortown. Was it yesterday? Did I do that? I did that yesterday. And Moortown, the residents are a little corner of Moortown here. We're happy to see us. They didn't really need anything. They were pumping out their own basements. They didn't have major damage. Visiting Ducksbury was a little that one. River Road and Ducksbury got a lot hit a lot harder than I think. We were at the town of Ducksbury or the state of Umbrella. There was a moment in the flood where Ducksbury River Road didn't exist. And so I visited with some residents on that road. There was a community above the home park who were very frustrated with their situation. I contacted their rep and walked it with their rep. Their select board visited the site as well. So I think with the combined efforts of our town, their state rep and their select board, that problem is going to be doubled.  They are in state of Ducksbury. Yeah, we fielded a couple calls for middle sex. And a few days ago, right after the flood started receding, we started receiving calls from middle sex and we finally were able to get crews out there today and they were still mucking out. They were bad off. Their town just doesn't have the same resources and volunteer strength that our town has had in this time. And we were more than happy to turn our attention when we could to helping them out. And what I've heard, the update that I got was one house getting dug out. There were three major impacts on one household and one house is getting dug out. Another house is unfortunately probably a lost cause. And then somebody's property, they lost their garage, but otherwise their house is okay. They're mucking out right now. That's my update for the middle sex. And how about the other way? We have one house in Bolton that actually reached out that we're working to offer help to. We've called back a couple times and haven't reached out. Other than that, we haven't had others reach out. And the other two households in the water? We're doing great. They're really in shape there and they've had awesome volunteers out there. Today, there were just a couple houses left with literally like cleaning off the stuff. Cleaning stuff that got dirty. They'll probably be another round of like helping move a couple things in or pick up any leftover trash. But it's really clear and the houses overall are doing really great. A lot of our main areas just have a couple, you know, follow up things like people are waiting for the humidifiers to finish before they can move stuff back in. Those are those kind of like specific crews will call in when it's time. And then moving to humidifiers, et cetera, from one house to the other, that kind of thing as we go. Let's talk with Madeline Drake about spraying for mold. Oh, thank you. Update. Oh, sorry. You can go. I didn't mean that. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. The idea that I have is that we've connected with the superintendent of our woods. Yes, I saw that. Okay, perfect. And he's putting us in touch with the sales manager who has some of those supplies as they use in the school, he's having her back from right yet. Right. They give me a heads up that we'll probably take until tomorrow to hear back from him. You know, but he might be very happy to loan any equipment and expertise. But because one week connected, we'll learn more about what they have to put in both sprayers and also some real industrial fans. So we're thinking about getting us started. Yeah, as soon as soon as I can connect, but we'll need his he's also going to offer in front of the timing of like where to start and how long. That'll and Drake and I both have the sprayers and some mold X. Oh, I think this is just our side of the bold line up a hill. Oh, the road was a wash the hill going up there. The road washed out. I still made the track and I knocked on the first house door and I was like, Hey, you guys made your road seems washed out. And he said, No, it just looks like that. So no flooding packs, but a conversation separately. Yes, a little steep dirt roads. Yeah, I tend to look like that. Yeah. OK, great. Any other reports? I had a may ask a question of you, folks. There was one resident who called late this afternoon about advice using a professional cleaning company like serve pro. Do you have any experience that you'd like to share with him? They're good, but expensive. OK, well, that was part of his question was whether it was, you know, financially professional. Well, they're very they're one of the most expensive, you know, remediation companies. If you have something like a spill boiler and oil, you may need them. Otherwise, you may not. OK, I feel like that sounds like something the other environmental companies do environmental assessments can do some of that work. And they're all not, you know, when you get to these big companies, they're all not inexpensive, right?  But then ask for an estimate before you buy. So also be careful who you go to, because if you go to, you know, Billy Bob service, you know, you may kind of get the, you know, you may still point out having old problems. Yeah, yeah. His questions went a little deeper, but I think I'll go over him tomorrow with the girls and see if we can come up with a with a response for him, or I'll just put him in touch on Waterbury help. Great, thanks. Yeah, Chris, moving forward, is there any. Ideas on what discussions maybe talk about there as far as after Irene, there was discussion about mitigation. You're here for the frequency of what she seems to be coming around. You know, we exhausted several different avenues. We've no sense of being a dead horse twice, but I'm just wondering to all the members, mindset and the rest of the town. What are we anticipating for the future? And how are we going to keep walking the same path? We've discussed not entirely altogether, but we're between Tom, I assume, other than them, you know, staff, select board and other volunteers. And we would have been continually keeping a running list of things you've done well, things you haven't done well, things, questions we have on the will be more than one degree that you have soon between the department and select board and, you know, what we volunteer. So in terms of what is the plan, I don't know. We're going to get through the emergency part and then start planning those meetings, but we haven't actually taken notes so that we don't forget everything that's happened on the past week. And just, I guess, to speak more broadly about mitigation, I think candidly, it's a theme that's being discussed in the state as a whole and various communities. I mean, as many are familiar with it, it's been a patchwork of impacts across the state and what communities were hit. And that's due to a variety of factors. But one thing that's being said is that some mitigations and efforts to make flooding less severely impact communities have worked. So understanding what those are, both here and Waterbury and other people is certainly of interest. I would say, candidly, we're in the more active response phase still, while we are really down volunteers, we're still at the running all day, mucking all these things, but again, we certainly have a running list of things. Again, I was not in this community during our review, but certainly folks that said, you know, the difference between basement flooding and first floor flooding and the proportion that we had in this community, you know, some of the amounts of difference in floodplain levels, like could help to make that difference. And the fact that we're sitting here a week later in the position we are in, some are saying couldn't partly due to that. So I would say, personally, as a select member, certainly we want to further any other efforts. And we know there have been barriers in the past. Certainly Tom said one piece is saying, this is a friendly reminder that this, you know, was considered a hundred year flood that happened in closer decade. And is that a way to read up folks interest, you know, whether they were willing or not, certainly, you know, some sort of way but yes, I would say not active deep dive yet, but certainly on the way down. I'll toss this out back. After I read, they talked about taking the field across the river and extracting 300,000 cubic yards of material out of the cost of $700.00. And I thought about it there. I hate to say this, but the ball field is quite, quite a bit. Is there a possibility that some of this area would be large across that? Yeah, you know, I didn't read the whole hydrological study, but the part that I did read was that the recommendation was to remove part of Harvey Farm to allow that to flood. As far as I know, the owners were informed and resisted quite strongly and did not allow that to happen. I moved to revisit that. Yes. I was involved in that process with emergency management and the owners were not going to allow it to happen. And I think it's time that the state, the better government, do it like, I'm going to give a name. There's a public good, it's an easy argument, but that's beyond what I'm trying to do. Okay, I'm going to officially open the public session now. I've already done it, but yes, I'd like to offer one more. Could you come up and stay in there on time? Sure. My name is Kurt Shepard, and I live out on Jenny Dave's Road. And we're on the west side. We were on Island Blue Storm. Bustly gestion, I think it's regrettable that the Colbert at Farsfield was not upgraded when the state rebuilt the road. That Colbert is clearly undersized. I think that there's a good argument now that that profile should be 3D higher. And that would be, you know, a worthy project for the state so that we don't have isolated sections in town as frequently as they are occurring. So for 13 years, and this is my fourth 100 year. And specifically, the route to has been cut there. I'm sorry, sir. Route two has been cut off by floodwater. So it was cut off in two of those four. I was not able to get home. Yeah. Thank you. But it's an example of, I think, Chris's point, sorry, more about we should use this as an opportunity to figure out where our weak spots are, and we should consider resilient to see something that we have to achieve, not just aspire to. The new C Street Ridge needs to have double the span. And it's 100 years old. We have similar situations. And so I frankly think it's a statement that needs to step up on some of this. It's hoping to increase the time right here. Okay. Hi, I'm Molly Watbury-Center. I just want to say the folks who are in here rollin' up your sleeves every day are appreciated. And I know it's not easy, and I'm finding myself with a little bit of too much to be back in it like I was after I read. But I know that you are appreciated and it's not easy. And thank you for doing the work. You're doing really appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, Lisa. We just had a couple of questions and I figure if I had these questions, other people in the community might have come too. What are the numbers that we see in the buildings around that town? That's OK. That's one. That's where the crash has anybody checked in with the post office? I had a reader ask me this afternoon, what is the post office going to start re-delivering mail? I was on my way to my house, but I hadn't gotten any mail. So I don't know if we were aware that there's some inconsistency right now as far as mail books that you've already made that I've not heard of. That it's still just like a message for someone. Might explain that guy not getting his tax bill yet. And the last thing to the point that Cain mentioned before I want to work to Moortown. I heard yesterday from some folks in Moortown on the River Road, which is over 100 B and you made the first hard left. And that's parallel to room two.  And they were on an island over there. I heard from them yesterday there's a lot of work being tonight and they were hoping to get to that meeting tonight to see if they can get some resources. But they said they really need help getting rid of wet soggy things. They said they're on their own. They haven't had any dumpsters. They could use volunteers. So there's a bunch of houses there and they're trying to clean out and they have piles of stuff and they could use a hand. And they were hoping they're here and there to support the benefit of the debt. But I guess their village can get much impact. So it hasn't been much of a response to them. But that's what one neighbor there were there. It seems to be in need, but that may not be much attention. I know the problem. I do. Right. Lisa, I'll connect with you after the. I'm thinking of you. That's fine. I know some of you in the neighborhood as well. OK. Do we want to answer at least this question about the numbers? Yeah, it's just big, big address numbers with that really cute little address. The number of doors that are hard to find by the back of truck and volunteer. So it's just for easy help to get there without driving around. So someone asked me, does that does that place need help? Should I go? Very fine. OK, so can you speak to whether they were those signs were donated or we build for them? I just if it were donated, I wanted to acknowledge. I don't remember and we'll find out. Yeah. I can't remember if they donated or paid. I'm not sure I just wanted to. Oh, we appreciate them. I can send. I think they were not they were like not even really open. And we said this is in the works. You can do it. In like zero minutes. So regardless of whether it is. Yeah, very helpful. Yeah. I want to keep mine. That's nice. And the post office. I'm happy to go down there in the morning and see if there's an issue. Apparently there is. I think it's a staffing issue that they were having. Because sometimes people don't work there. Come from other places. I went a day or two after. And there was one person there. And she was like, ah, it's because we don't get there. Or there. I think it's a staffing issue, but hopefully. It's not better. I'll go away and just. See what the current status is. Yeah. Any other questions on the public at this time. Let's see any questions up over a year. More here. Okay. Next thing on the agenda is permission to apply for grant funds related to implementing portions of the parks study. Get this one on the select board agenda. Mostly because the. The final presentation of the park study. We'll be doing a little bit. We'll be doing a little bit of that. Committee meeting. Once more. So we're hopeful that capacity. First meeting. I was at the base of the park study. You want to potentially adopted. But it's great opportunity came out. It's true building in general services. And there's a few categories, but. I'm interested in the communities. Sorry, the recreational facilities category. And. Even though the park studies not formally adopted, I don't believe that. The map of the. None is called course. With which now then. So looking at that map, there's. Accessible pass that are outlined. And on the right side of the ball field, there's a. A nature trail. Right. The park around the ball field should also be accessible. To make a room. Just a thought, but. We don't have formal numbers yet. It's a matching grant, but in talking to Bill Walker formally, we're thinking. This product would be $34,000. We would propose to. It's a fairly wet area. So we need to do a little bit of work to get a base there. Couldn't just go over the grass. It's a matching grant. The applications are doing early September. And it's only about five weeks after the apply. That you want to fund for us. We would. Firm up the numbers internally apply for the grant. And then it's awarded. We could incorporate that. Up to a certain level. Yeah. Up to what we think it will cost. Okay. So we can get the grant pay for half of it. Do you. We have 900,000 here. But that's the total amount of funding. So you're not going to apply for that. No, there's not a limit. And prior year boards or some. Larger project costs in the board. Sometimes it proves a lot and sometimes a little. So we would apply for the maximum. We could just half of the project costs. Okay. There's also some. Some discussion about. The improvements to. The playground, but I don't really fundamentally understand what it is. We might see to incorporate a little bit of that. As I see group work into that. Not on this study. Which doesn't give us a lot of specific. In that particular issue. Right. I move. To apply for this grant. Community. All right. We moved and seconded any further discussion. We'll leave it up on the table. I'm just saying out loud that this. ADA accessible path. The soccer field. That's the portion of this part that we're talking about. With this. Any further discussion. Hearing none. I'll never say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Any abstentions. You have permission to apply for the grant. And have some field users would like to write letters of support. I think you can submit up to three. Let's not do until September 12th. Next. We have a dog bite here. Right. To a couple of instances. See. A testimony from the. You have permission to apply for the grant. And perhaps some field users would like to write letters of support. I think you can submit up to three. Let's not do until September 12th. Next, we have a dog bite here. Okay. Just morning from the. Control officer. Okay. Yeah, Ariel, if you could just follow up on that. Yes. Hi. Yeah. Sorry. The audio quality kind of is a little in and out. So I'll do my best. And nudge me if I missed anything that said. So there were two incidents. It's, you know, some neighbors that all live in a similar area. So. So I think we should be, we should be able to get to other dogs. So the two neighbors with those dogs to file a report. And you know, I submitted, I think everybody from this. Like we should have had a chance to see the. Right up on the incident. Is that correct? Okay. Yes. Sorry. I need verbal confirmation because I can't see. You so. All right. Perfect verbal confirmation. We've all read the reports. You know, reading through things. You can kind of see what happens. The, the first incident is, you know, an introduction that went awry between neighbor dogs. The second one was a gate that was left open. You know, I believe that there's no such thing as a bad dog. And that this dog just, you know, a couple of different situations things can get triggered by, you know, territorial disputes or whatever. So I put in there my recommendation is that. You know, the owner has started to do fence reinforcements, things like that. I think those are great. I think those should continue back off. Turn my video back off or yours. Okay. Yeah. So my suggestion is that the dog in question just be muscled when he's outside. It's feels to me like a good compromise so that the dog can still enjoy his time outside. It's not her. It's us. No, it's us. Okay. I can turn off my. Okay. Tell me if I should do anything or not. You're good area. I'll just keep talking. Yeah. So I submitted my report. It's my recommendation that the dog be muscled when outside, which is a good compromise to ensure that, you know, he should be supervised and contained in the fence or however other ways. And then should something happen, like a gate be left open again, you know, if he gets out and he's muscled, I think that would be a good compromise. I think that would be a good compromise. So if there can be any further incidents, it would just be, you know, a loose dog that can be caught. So that is kind of my suggestion and talking through the incidents and I've talked to, you know, everyone on either side.  And happy to answer any questions or provide additional information. There were some photos and some other documentation that was available. They saw photos. They don't want you to share them. Yeah. Yes, please. Yeah. I had one question. I was wondering if a runner would be as effective as a muzzle. Yeah, I have had my dog get attacked by a dog that was on a runner and one runner, one end of the runner came undone. And the dog was essentially unleashed as the end game. So personally, I would suggest that something like a muzzle is just like a backup plan in case, for example, the gate is left open. Amy sent along pictures that I'm not sure if those have been passed on or not of fence reinforcements and it's now, I think it's a six foot stockade fence. Amy is in person and could share more information. But in my mind, you know, a six foot stockade fence is going to contain pretty much all dogs.  And those pictures I didn't have to circulate. So. Okay. They were. Yeah, they were in an email from Tom that, or an email from Amy that I forwarded to Tom that maybe they just didn't pass lunch. It's a six foot fence. I can share pictures of it. I can share pictures of it. I can share pictures of it. I can share pictures of it. Amy is there and can probably show you the pictures on her phone too. Any other questions. Yeah. It's really the process because a couple of different things. Including the flood that happened since the last time we talked about this. So my question is what the, what the need is from the select board tonight. Are we listening and approving the requirements? Is that the goal is like, what was the ask from us before I know what questions. Yeah. Yeah. So the way that the ordinance is written, essentially I don't have any enforcement power along these lines in town. I can just kind of mediate conflicts. Neighbor to neighbor and, you know, the victims have a right to request a hearing and within seven days, which then things did get pushed back with the flood. So we're a little over the seven days. But we did get that to get the request for the hearing from the victims. Yes. She can't do it. I can. There's a stop. Your audio is not good enough. We're going to ask Tom to clarify. There's a statute which gives a select board very long powers. And there's your local ordinance and your local ordinance. It allows the victim to request a hearing. So then it's victim centered. I think it's appropriate. And so really what you're charged with here under the laws, ensuring public safety and taking whatever steps you need necessary. So yeah, under the ordinance, your powers are broad to the point where you can, you can overdo it. And if I could just interject. My thought was that we would take testimony during the public session and then have time to deliver it during the executive session and come up with a statement. Go ahead. So my questions, I might lay out a couple in a row. And in the writing, we have muzzle and or restrained at all times because. Muzzle training can take weeks at minimum months. And the doggy squad side. So if he's not trained, then the or restraining would mean on a leash. Help by a human, which is a good option. So I just want to clarify that that and or is good. And also so that we all understand. Muzzle training can take months. You don't just put a muzzle on a dog. It can super traumatize them. So I don't know whether he's trained or not. So I just want to go with that. Also. And the dog owner is here. We want to ask her. Yeah. Name and address for the record. I'm just first is, I guess what I'm also not sure is whether the recommendations were told to you and read upon. No. Okay. So, so the recommendation that we see is that Chester be muzzled and or restrained at all times when outside. So I just want to go with that. So I just want to go with that. I just want to go with that. I just want to go with that. And the dog owner is here. We want to ask her. Yeah. Come up. Name and address for the record. And you be sharp 39. So she. I just first is, I guess what I'm also not sure is whether. That's what she said. And it's said in the end. There's no time limit. Or what happened. It's all. I'm curious if. Chester. And I'm curious if you all. Got my right out of that. I don't think so, and we apologize Amy.  So if you send it to Yeah, I think I had an awareness that you sent something, but I just didn't follow up to get it So maybe you can just restate that Sure, the overall thing that happened of the quote first incident was with So my house has a stockade fence a six-foot stockade. So No Like no was three quarters of my yard and then I had like a yellow.  Maybe they couldn't bark Etc. So we said we could try it and I brought Chester Into Tracy's yard, which is owned by Jordan and Joe And we need to talk about you know sometimes dogs unleashed and all the dogs dogs I'll figure it out, but when we open the fence up with buggy Chester were like black and Chester is bigger We fold them apart Chester off of up, but by that time Chester had that box shoulder So my partner Mike took Chester away I went in with Tracy and Kim and buck into Tracy's apartment to get a full flock and water What Tracy called the vet and we said we've got to take him to the vet can take him to the vet Do you need my credit card and she said no she's had one and then I shared my number with Tracy Tracy should be Kim's and then we texted through the day and evening about How it was what can I do? He stayed the night I of course paid for the vet bill and that day also called the dog trainer Recommended by my vet Emily Crawford But so what could have been dogs meeting and going okay didn't okay, it wasn't okay and I haven't introduced Chester to another dog since until he's ready, but that was scary and an unfortunate event and was really crappy um, sorry for the minutes, but uh I also feel the second thing that happened. Thank you with buddy was That it's George and Carol's sweet dog too. They the sweetest happiest dog buddy who Lives on Locust Harris, which is I believe that's their road. That's an easement to remind property to the backyards So they always George walks buddies several times a day and we always love to see them and The day before this was a couple weeks ago. My son had friends over in the backyard They were playing and like we're gonna ball.  So Chester saw George and buddy Bart and and nothing the gate was adjourned when he went out and he messed with buddy Mike came out of the house. He had a little Chester and Chester pulled it back to Mike, but he had bit buddy's ear So I was at work my partner Mike came and told me what happened people first he checked in with Chester Excuse me with George and buddy and a vet had happened to be there So she checked buddy over and found the bite on his ear And George said he was going to go back and clean it up and check in and Mike my partner let me know if he has to go to the vet We've got you like whatever needs happened. So Later that night Mike went back over because I was still at work at pro pig and The the synopsis from there was that his ear seemed to be okay But they were going to keep pointing on it and see what happened So we checked in with them over the next couple of days cried and apologized and we ripped down that fence that has a gate and put up Continue to socket fence and that's the pictures that I have there um one thing I forgot to mention is after this happened with Kim and like Tracy's yard is I put a bunch of the hardware for that day and we got um Stakes and chicken wire to put like a two-foot buffer So the dogs couldn't nose up to the fence and get each other going So that two-foot buffer now is around my whole yard as well um So we have a little bit of an alpha class going on and yeah, Chester has not been on walks With me and we are outside in the backyard Um, but then that's where they spend their time in the big fence in area Or they spend the time inside We have a latch gate like one of those swing shop baby gates next to our driveway But that's not where anything has happened anyway And we've put um, there's chicken wire around my porch too. Not that he could squeeze from it But that's only like this far but that way The dogs he or Bentley my little dogs don't have their faces through it and maybe still work but um Yeah, and he's enrolled we have him enrolled in dog school So we are working with the dog trainer um and really working on triggers and keeping him in and you know Like I said, unfortunately It didn't go well Introducing him to Bach but All the other stinking dogs that we've been to dog parks who hasn't played with he's been on his back So that's why we were like, okay Like my text to cam which I had here also include like I would never ever suggested that it would have been Okay, uh where she said, I know, you know If I bad and it was troublesome, but thank you for your help and your attendance and I know basically I know you care about whatever so for that we've Try to mitigate the problem by taking the gateway that I think got out of And put up a six foot fence And then another two foot fence inside So let the dogs don't mess with each other And it's one dog in school Um, yeah, any questions from the board? Hi, my name is Jordan. I own the property that this has happened on. Um, but uh, if you could come forward So I used to say fortunately and I'm sorry to take too long this time We've got higher priorities however safety and all my property is one of my highest um I am a property owner. I have a tenant. Um, I rent saying it's a Pet friendly place. Um, I bought your property and I was due for I do also spend a good Time in my backyard and I get growled that through the fence and this has happened in the last year since I moved there Um, you have fixed part of the fence However, the other side where you said nothing has happened yet But nothing happened until something happens Um, but they gate to the porch is about three feet tall Um, and then that white fence also has a kennel door. It looks like it's kind of broken and there's a kennel where the sitting up gets it Okay, I hear you but the dogs aren't They don't have a collar on so if they got out of the yard god forbid No one has identification as to who this dog is and who owns it They are outside without your supervision So I would be most comfortable with us considering a dog with us considering and children with me considering renting to other people on this property I feel much more comfortable until proven otherwise with this dog that there is much more secure Things in place that are Obviously escalated to this bit because I want security And I'd be happy one of the things that is dismayed to me is that That my neighbors came here and didn't come to me for a speaker. So we try to We did I'm on choke process and I'm a little uncomfortable. I just want to make sure Do we speak to them I don't know what the process is Check and see Yeah, you're addressing us. Sure. So sorry. Um, I would like a greater assurance That this doesn't ever happen again Two strikes and I feel like that they happened in a matter of a few weeks I will you know, I don't believe any dog is a bad dog But I believe we as owners have the responsibility to take action and be proactive And understand the potential that an animal has Um, I worked one and one with a trainer with my dog. I've been farmer for years I believe that there's much more that we have the responsibility with our livestock or animals that we need to Really ensure I believe that a gate seems high and tall but that's until of course It jumped. Um, I had a husky jump a seven foot fence to have a shin dig with a neighbor's dog And we had nine puppies out of it. So we didn't know that could happen until it happened and I just Um, we've seen the impossible happen more than once this week So, uh, what restraints would you feel come forth? I will one I think the dog should be identifiable should it get out So it needs a collar even if it's in the yard we've proven that the dog can get out Um, and two I do believe that a muzzle if it's going to be a chance Um that or the owner needs to be outside any second that the dog is outside The dog will run it'll be fast and before you know it. It's an old man walking a dog who Could have gotten knocked over I don't feel comfortable ranking a property and not telling people about What's going on in the neighborhood and that hinders me as a property owner and a rancher Um, thanks Jordan, I appreciate it anything any other questions from the board for jordan Yes Uh, yeah, actually you can Appreciate your testimony Kim huff. Um, I live on railroad street. My sister is Jordan's tenant who lives Her property above us Amy's property and I had my dog buck there. He was the dog. It was a tank I just want to know that Amy was very good when my dog got attacked. She was very compassionate She didn't pay the bill. She was very good about it. And that's why I made no complaints at that time because I felt like steps are being taken She certainly was not intentional by any means. She certainly didn't bring her dog I don't know. I hope to detect your dog and her it's a really bad. That was not her intention Um, however after the second one Made me really nervous because not only did the attack radicals dog But my uncle was in his 80s Is could be unsteady on his feet. He's george. Yeah, he could have knocked him over. He could have hurt him And it's called an accident accidents can happen more than once if the gate got left open once What's to say that gate's not gonna get left open again? And that dog's gonna get out. It's an accident accidents happen more than once My concern is that yes a gate will get left open and that is a path which many children travel to school Many people walk their dogs people walk children and strollers with dogs What if that dog were to attack a dog while someone is pushing a stroller the baby in the stroller? There's so many scenarios that could go so badly And it would not be her intention. I know that that's not who Amy is at all as a person. They don't believe But I do believe that just fixing a fence Is not going to solve this problem because like we said an accident is an accident and accidents can happen more than once So that gate kids could become a repliant might not even be our own kids, but somebody else leaves it open So I just feel like there needs to be more of a fence in this situation For everyone's safety and god forbid I had been my dog that he had got a second time because I walked my dog By there's he had been my dog. I wouldn't be at this meeting right now. I'd probably be in jail That's an honest fact Thank goodness for that. Yeah That's like my child Questions from the board Yes, Alyssa I would love to hear from ariel just if there's any other options you considered prior to this recommendation Yeah, I mean, I think um All of those recommendations that have kind of been discussed make sense I um wasn't really aware that the dogs are out in the yard without a collar And I think that's an easy fix is just put on some identification when they're outside and I agree Having a person to supervise continue with training and Work on muscle training so that you know that way you could get out to walk the dog out in the community once again in that You know, I would hope that the dog can be trained and get back to that point. I think um You're working with the trainer. You're aiming is working with the trainer, which is fantastic and I think um just continuing to take those steps to make sure that the dog gets socialized and You know, hopefully we can reevaluate and in time uh, you know, these things won't be necessary but um until then I think just some identification restraint and working towards um Yeah, ensuring that the dog That no accidents can happen and you know making sure that fences and things like that are maintained as the cure Do you have a recommendation in terms of how much time it would take before we re-evaluated? Oh, that is a great question. Um, I don't know. I don't know exactly like what the timeline is I mean, I think all dogs have different timelines with training but um, I think someone said like six months to at least reevaluate if that makes sense or I'm not sure if others feel differently. I don't have a great recommendation on a timeline. Unfortunately You have no requirement to reevaluate a great decision Yeah, but we may want to Yeah, so along Robert's question. All right. I'm wondering. I know that There's a lot going on so time-wise this might be a heavy lift I don't have time for right this this week, but thinking about if there are resources to look back like In other cases. I don't know this is a thing. I don't know like but can we look at other cases and say That they've been reevaluated in six months nine months a year or have you just to kind of see what maybe precedent there is to help guide us on that? I don't have I mean, I can try and look like beyond the waterbury community. I don't have access to any past Waterbury dog cases that Karen maybe maybe you do and we could look at that but I think carlis said she had three It was the town clerk Yeah, there isn't a lot of precedents in this town it seems like for these so I have enough information that anyone else feel like we need any more information on this I did want to ask If I may please uh, Amy, how old is chest? And just to add the gate in question gone The gate that was a yard is ripped out and gone and that's the six foot fence now So is there a gate to open and close from the from Your can you get into your six foot fence from anywhere except from for the house? You can't get anywhere. There's a porch. That's from my house. So I'm asking if you are If I don't open your front door, I can't get in that My side door on my driveway is where we enter the my desk You set up three steps on the deck and you off the deck into the fenced in yard And there's a three foot gate and then there's a side broken another white ticket fence There's two other access points that are not six foot fences that are not private into the home This is not accurate what she's saying So I don't have a photo so I'm gonna end the That conversation because I don't feel like I know the answer without Mike And I also An idea could also be is Having like having the dog trainer have reports or something that I can share with y'all about I don't know if that's helpful or not, but Any other questions concerning this dog bite issue it's like tom gore has a question Tom Well, just to let you know Does the fence go all the way Around your yard Amy that six foot fence All the way around the yard and then we have a rock wall and hedges After bushes and a bunch of junk in the yard And then it goes around the side where there's some picket Gates, but the gate can't open because it's broken and then we read We put metal and stuff on the outside of that too as reinforcement of the gate That gate can't open you have to just go next to my porch I Cheryl if you don't mind can you use the chat box and I'll read your note because the audio is impossible It's not your fault It's not me this time Yeah, Cheryl, I don't know if you had a question. I apologize for just having a lot of trouble hearing you You can give it one more try if you'd like and Michelle got standing in this issue Uh, she's not a neighboring property. She she probably uses stow street perhaps on foot Oh, here we go. Just making sure because the property also adjoins my parents Does she have a particular question? Um, thanks All right, I think everyone feel like we've got enough information on us to deliberate Okay, thank you very much. I understand it's a difficult issue for everyone involved And we'll try to make the best decision we can to ensure the safety of everyone in the community Um, I'm oh you with roger. Oh, Cheryl had a question about the fence height Six feet Cheryl is the fence height and it still remains a little unclear if it goes all the way around the house Yes I'm not sure you do but I really don't think you do You can be a member of organization And go from the select board, you're not you're not receiving any benefit. You're not receiving any money. You're being rotate. In fact, it's the opposite You can recuse yourself certainly can make you uncomfortable, but I don't think I think requirements for future so Okay, or obligation I would actually welcome your participation if you choose not to vote on The final resolution I would be glad to participate because I know a lot about the relationship matter of fact I'm on the parks committee for the rogery, so Because of my Knowledge, you know, I'm probably I'm staying from voting. Yeah All right, would you like introducing Yes, I'm Alan Lewis. All right I'm a rotary general department and What I'm doing is Bringing for you and now I have an understanding that That is proof We spent quite a bit of time going over the details the assignments and essentially before I do this on appears former president I was involved in the discussions and now are you is our president president We've got two So before I begin what I want to do is we practice briefly on the back page. It says that's been a 40 years ago I think 83 a rotary club To those who are the word the park was built and What's identified here on that page are most of the things that are already finance and provided the manpower To build right from the beginning so many of you might not have been around back And don't know anything about the origin of the park, but a rotary club dedicated as remember the most important Not just a certain so this is We also created a cultural arts program And we raised funds for others to start exceeding that cultural arts program basically the responsibility of living in the community council for the year to give out three years in the park and that's grown from All right, pass it on there. There's a first first concert that we had On the 23rd of May Since grown to as many as 13 concerts during the season right now this year So I just want to go back the history is a rotary club made a commitment back then and We decided that we did not want to build a Responsibility of creating something which would in the long term be a maintenance issue So our club I raised well here is something on cooperation with the village and you thought we had a big statement here Basically as the town's We felt it would be appropriate to since The village edit no longer exists And he thought uh in the representatives three of the representatives of new but we dealt with with the village all the time We want to make sure that we started off on the way to track And so what this memorandum is it's a paper copy of the handshake. It's not illegal not But it's saying to New the town that we would like to continue the relationship we had in the past with the Village many many years and then the most recent years And and with that We've identified also things that the town has done for us that down the park and other just us but And by doing that It sort of sets out the responsibility So the if we see some work going on down the park And it's not part of the stuff that we're supposed to do here It will be questions It's a town see something going on down the park that it also Will come to us and say Over the years we've done some some maintenance and some upgrading to the place to be seen all around every shepherds that is The newest president So Harry dedicated his president's project to basically upgrading So anyway, we reflected his evil railings with code compliant railings the normal ones that we have rather code the most of the The upgraded the led we've upgraded to led the lamp posts that we do a full-time post install fencing on the gardens Replace the county once Install street lights on The rotary way side, which is the very which is the railroad station side lights The maple trees we had the canopy cut up so that You could see the railroad station better from south main street. That was a major undertaking as far as basically another And cable a lot of those Trunks so that they don't split off because those type of maple trees You see the split so there are cables up there and some of those And I think well, that's just some of the things. Yeah anyway, so what I'm here today Uh, there's to bring to you the MOU that we've been talking about. Uh, that's a common set of chances of yours Uh, run out those chairman of the board president of the times the full pacifist Who then basically we're asking you to join with us in this handshake and continue for as long as we can understanding that uh, you know on either side there may be some changes there may be some things that fall apart Happen For some reason, uh, we can't get to Uh We know it's going to cost quality $50 Yeah, you can't take it down So what we say is As far as conscious in the park is concerned We used to have concerts with Uh, serving ice cream and part of the Ben and Jerry's I'm serving what they call friends ice cream. This is the big boxes of seconds And we'll have that up until I think Four years ago, maybe The relationship with Ben and Jerry's fell apart And I think those ice cream Uh And I'm passing around a slightly revised version that I hope just gave to me a few minutes ago Okay The comment I had over email with Al was The first one was the money where his mlu Uh, gave a limit of $5,000 and I suggested that That might change over time. So let's just add more flexible language. Uh, so it doesn't say It doesn't it isn't limited to $5,000 More money Oh, I have no one It says Up to $5,000 or greater amount if agree Danny's correct on the first page it says $5,000 without bringing to the town's attention that we needed 90% When we did this with a village, we actually stood across We stood across But we didn't we didn't go ahead and do it and then send your bell All right, so the maintenance is routine maintenance. We're talking about So that So section 13 should read It's said not to have seen $5,000 but up to $5,000 or a greater amount if agreed upon by the town Now with the other language in section 19 and I think we're fine And frankly If you look at the last page It's about the town of Wolverine eight-term and I understand It can be changed at any time By the town or the room And then the the only other change that Was proposed from the record and I was sent out was Um item 20 under town responsibility for standard that was not there before Uh, that's just something that we can announce. I thought that's just more realize it Which is managing event reservation requests and approval and posting improved events On town property Yeah, so and as I understand you're basically codifying the agreement the handshake agreement that you had with eFUD and the village before them for several years Tom's assessment is that you've been saving the town $20,000 to $30,000 every year And service to the community particularly at rusted park or park not to mention Let me just be clear that $20,000 to $30,000 is it's just a maintenance They work they do at the park never mind the fund raising they do the paper things at the bands So it's really a lot more in totality To begin that All right, Mike. I'm happy to do that. It's it's a service project something that has been within our capability And uh, frankly going back to the original commitment. We did not offer Management for the municipality Having to take care of these facilities Uh, my experience over many many towns across the state when I was working as a statement point was that Our recreation facilities work things such as this attention sometimes And we want to make sure that that wasn't an issue So We'll certainly appreciate it Many years and continue to do Especially being a localarian and being on the parks committee. I know there's a lot of consternation The mlu. I really encourage the mlu By rogery because I think it's really important that relationships are kind of spelled out And I think one of the concerns was should rogery as I'll say a lot of our parents are getting older Can we continue to do this? That's one of the reasons why you know, they would want to have a provision You know, not that they they're going to go away from doing this But you know, there may be a point in time that rogery just doesn't have the ability But I think in the interim, this is a really good document that I think it's important that it's there and it's not something to say. Oh, you're going to do this This is just, you know, kind of trying to spell out some of my You know responsibilities and I think it's a real forward step. I think it's proof of rogery Mike, thank you for your leadership on this Al and Ariel Alyssa I would move to approve the memorandum of understanding between the rogery club Of water gray and town of water gray regarding rosty parker park with Thanks to the rogery club for their over 40 years of management and service to the community and authorize the municipal manager to sign the agreement I was revised All right All right, we have Moved and seconded any further discussion Hearing none all in favor say hi Any opposed Any abstentions? Okay, we have one abstention Very good question I'm going to first announce I'm sorry, I'm so tired. Thank you for your patience. I'll be in a little bit earlier today Cam, do you take reservations for the park or is that going to the rec department? Um, actually, there's many of us in the office right now that can do reservations for the park through the my rec website So when it was a village park, it had that extra layer of checking with eFUD, but now it just seems like Free wheel and we say oh, you want to use the park? Well, but not when you did when you discuss schedule of fees next month if that happens that park Specifically doesn't have a fee attached to it and that should be looked at it should be treated like all the other parks in my opinion Just a question. I'll get to you again. So do you have any issue with that? That we might charge a fee as we do Yeah, that's a fair that's a fair enough My question were any of you at the july 31st concert with andro van sound as good as it I literally also Yes, I've seen really I've seen several times. I have. Are they awesome? Yeah Yes Also that Is At a parade out main street and they have a big ceremony there with him and it's all on all on and everybody that Anyway, so that's going to go on Well, I'd like to hear just one more time When we when we established a sign up for the user department One of the things that we did was develop a protocol for signing up Which basically made a commitment that any individual Who represented the group You get their name the contact information And what what that project what that event is about The village trustees used to review that because there were occasions where there were events that were not appropriate necessarily and they wanted to to weigh in on it and And that would be the case not just for us but for everybody But having that sheet That they have to sign that will authorize what we said that would mean one thing You leave the park for your mouth. Are you talking to us? I'm trying to keep it clean Even after some of the events that were not involved in or will remembers The passing by they will go out there and pick up stuff Same thing with the restrooms. So If if they're obligated to leave it the way they found it I'm going to go a long ways for us and a long ways for the town and the glacier So And I gave drama gave you earlier A copy of certain rules that we the village had passed the rules for the use of the park Um, we upgraded those based on some minor changes that we've had over the years and incidents that we've had over the years But we do need some signs in that park Identifying the rules the rusty part of park is different cannot grow different than the park So there are certain things in those rules Something very simple flowing objects around for example, the riding spikes in the vent It's really important for safety and also maintenance prevention because we've got gloves broken because people are firing Basically kids firing football in the park back and forth. That's something gonna happen and it's not great But that's a $500 So anyway little things like that I'll talk to myself I think noise noise in that part Do you have uh, uh, recommended rules, uh, you could uh, I've given up It's on that's already All right, all right. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it All right Take care of ordinance Since the last meeting this was advertised in front court form We didn't get one comment Part of it was there was a correction. There was there was one place in the first document where We still refer to the tree committee and says the tree board And the second the second part of the comment was simply then the person Question the size of the board and wonder how we arrived at seven I think seven is a portable number Not a consistent program that needs reports necessarily so I didn't see the need to Recommend any change there Did they have a another number that they preferred it did not they were just wondering why we got to seven Someone's right Otherwise there's no other changes from from the prior meeting So if the slack board was interested in the tree ordinance, you could adopt it tonight and then the legal processes again to Folks that advertise it and waiting to see if there's any sort of something Yeah Okay, um That's what I remember from our last game feels like a many years ago after this week There was a ton of work for them this morning That's right Like and it's been draft and redraft and I think it's many work and that's sure probably close to a year. Yeah Yeah, and so there were only two comments which means that the public has had time to view it It seems to have to do another draft Yeah So I just have a question I don't want to snark Gary do you want to come up? So my question really is Is there any Real enforcement Because quite honestly, there's a lot of ordinances in Waterbury that aren't enforced Mainly a lot of part importance that are not Are they do have an impact on public safety? So I'm one of those people that why have a rule if you're not going to enforce it So I I think this is important and I support it because my wife and I go out for walks when it's not raining And she's not working overtime at night and you have to dodge trees So I think it's important to To trim those cut those But the the homeowners already know that they're So is the is there It's a little late, but is there a mechanism to have the town go to it and then invoice the owners To recoup the cost of that labor Yes, there is so that's specified in state law. It's not a part of this ordinance But this doesn't mean it's negated by adoption of this ordinance Perfect Mike our enforcement officers That's pretty like it's free one. Yeah, our tree warden is the enforcement officer as I understand it he's the Not exactly so if there was Well, the tree warden is tree warden The tree warden wouldn't have the power to put a fine in place that would fall to the select board Presumably that's the recommendation of free warden. Okay That's it really I just When I get smack in the face because I'm not paying attention where I'm walking It's In my wife doesn't it's shorter, but it's frustrating that The the trees and the branches are literally in front of people's houses And they don't terminal. So I don't think the town should do it without being You're pooping that cost right and we are again. We already have ordinances that we don't enforce I I'm just not a fan of passing ordinances just to pass That's okay Thank you I had a question just immediately and um, I read the graph because I have some questions with my own trees. Um If this is Accepted if there's somebody that is it the tree warden that I would call for advice because I'm like, I don't know if this is like a power company saying or I don't know because it's I'm allowed to do this because it's not a town easement But it's still kind of on my property, but I think the town owns this through easement Free warden. That's the right person. Okay Because I'd like to take some of the I mean like Somebody to give me advice on how to do that safely. But there's some things that I think we aren't getting closer to The I just wanted to say that I'm Stuart Whitney. I'm the member of the tree committee. I wrote this ordinance. Um, so I'm here If there's anything I can answer and if that was snarky, um, I I I want him to try it better I Think I think the state the state statues Are what we depend on to enforce The they could be ordinance. Um, it's not the town doesn't necessarily have to you know disciples do they can just Read the ordinance isn't and This tree care ordinance only has a partial Of those ordinances mentioned that there's a whole bunch that have been left out for prayers The select board and the tree warden are To go to do all and and jane brown is Out in the corner. She's the chair of the committee King, uh, I just wanted to say how appreciative I am You know for myself here that you wrote this so that we didn't have to And it's I've read it. I've read the draft and I I like its simplicity. I like it's like, you know, hazardous tree description. That's it All of it's simple great job Alyssa and tony review. You don't have any concerns about maintenance in terms of the contract requirement things like that at the time Of course Starting There's no way If you wouldn't learn just addressing us No, I'm just telling that uh, I've been in turn to get the towns my department to address the many many lives hanging on roadside When those are ripped off mirrors The power company has a lot of the work Like It's on our website I can tell it We also We're trying to get Celia from the highway department as the deputy tree ward to work in in conjunction with us to Help All right He could get a smaller car I'm sorry, uh, yeah jane I just want to say I want to thank steward because he put so much work in on this Steve law speech also before he retired Uh, was a big partner in this and steve was A co-chair with me of the tree committee now. I'm the chair of the tree committee We don't want to have a statue just to have I mean I am an ordinance just to have an ordinance we We really um worked closely with urban forestry program for the state of vermont And as you can see in there according to state law That was in the last few years has come around to defining all of these responsibilities Um vsa is all listed in the ordinance. So, um, you know, we take it fairly seriously We've been doing a number of the things that are are in the In the list, um On here for responsibilities Uh, we've been applying for grants. We've been But there are some things we haven't really been doing. We haven't had an annual arbor day free celebration Which would be kind of a fun Thing and we probably could do more to educate the community We've applied for funds to do an emerald ashore Uh plan and that's referenced in here Um, I think that we could do more to do upgrade our shade tree inventory to be more aware of maintenance and planning needs in the town As well as where there are opportunities to do new tree planting we this this This ordinance would kind of compel us to be as a tree committee Which would probably be renamed the tree board, which is what other towns have I think to be more organized and more, um Responsible in these in these, um five areas or six areas Which I think would be a To the town so Thank you Thank you Jen. Appreciate all your service on this Uh came Am I making a motion? I move to adopt the tree care ordinance as drafted Second all right Most has been moved and seconded uh any further discussion like Yeah, um Jean and Stuart you have a full board of seven and That's maintaining seven members Well, we do have seven members currently And it is it has been problematic keeping people on board I mean, so But we don't have trouble getting new numbers, but it fluctuates from time to time And and in a given meeting or event that we hold Um, it's it's rare that all seven members are able to attend So it's not It's not The other reason I asked that I know some other boards Especially larger boards that they hit a little down with, um You know quarrels and stuff when they have Numbers like that It's up to you, you know, do you think that's an appropriate number? I'm not going to check me guess We don't have any problems with that Retreat Any further discussion or motion hearing none all of their say hi hi any post any abstentions All right, the tree ordinance is passed. Thank you. Thank you Thank you very much. I think we'll be changing our name for the tree board Let's say as a formality. Do you want emotions about effect or no? Yes, I would like that Okay Town of Waterbury tree care ordinance, I moved to rename the Waterbury tree committee the Waterbury tree board as Thank you Moves and seconded any further discussion Hearing none all of their say hi Any post any abstentions It is now the Waterbury tree board Not like a little word, but with full word That is good. Yes, it's dimensional now Dimensional lumber Thank you. All right. Thank you Speaking for the trees We haven't had to worry about watering the trees this year. Thank you Uh We draft chartered and just before I do that for the record It's been eaten immediately before this The zoom crashed a few times lost its connection. Mm-hmm. I don't know what's going on here Leave that fiber out there be screaming fast We should be having issues. Yeah, I've been texting Bob to let him know that it's weak signal Okay, but you guys are you guys are all you're attached to a different wi-fi network I shouldn't be having problems. I should be the only one on this network. So that's more alarming Tom good Push would desire to Separate the categories of taxes and the local option tax. It's one simple question that goes to the voters on three categories The voters could say yes or no, so that would cover the sales from the meals and the beverages You could separate those but I Don't think you should but frankly, I don't think they're All that separate and distinct anymore Especially meals from the sample of beverages. It's meals and alcohol beverages so often put together Is that why you did that? I did have a question about that because usually you have rooms and meals tats and then there's tats on alcoholic beverages, but you had Meals and alcoholic beverages Together and then rooms They should The 600 is really firm No, the numbers were broken out correctly, uh, I thought uh, but they just the way you have written it. Yeah, I see that. Let's see that now. Okay Um I will say that the proposed article for the For the local option tax is exactly what we requested Short sweet And I'm again as appreciative as appreciative as I was for the the tree ordinance being Straight to the point. I really appreciate the scripting straight to the point So, uh, I agree. I mean, I think it's uh, well written will be exception Um, the What I think, uh, we'd be interested in doing is getting this out to the community for, you know, uh, some comment, uh, and then, uh, identify a time when the community can vote on it And then I was um been delayed I was requested But they, uh, I think they invited me and mark fryer Okay, no conversation in front of them or Probably conversation forget that not a subcommittee in front of them, and I forget the name of the committee Then I guess water gray area development committee the functions as the town side not Committee Uh, I don't know if we need emotion on this at this point, uh, any further All right, yes responsibilities That was a little bit of a right Um, and it's gonna it's been a little bit of time on the phone with jim barlow. Who's going to be a mess It's in a lot of town charters and everyone is a little bit different and to some extent, there's no right answer here The I think the the manager Higher point disciplining new all town employees is what you were looking for and came up with the planning director Um subject to the personnel rules, which we've adopted So I think that's straightforward and easy enough the second one is more interesting and a little more difficult to codify Um many town charters have some language related to the manager Fixed in compensation and benefits and it's phrased a little bit differently in all of them And we came up with the language With compensation ranges and schedule benefits approved by the select board because the select board historically adopts benefit package and compensation ranges can be thought of as a number of different ways, but essentially it logically means that If the budget for a position it's a budget for I think about last fall Bill was still the manager. I was here. He came before you and said we need to increase wages for our department employees to retain people We're within budget because we had a vacancy Um It essentially limits my ability to some extent to to give someone a far above standard raise without checking in with the select I think that's reasonable Um And then we had talked about the last time we talked about charters for the third sentence we had talked about Hiring the hiring process, especially around department heads Really the third and fourth sentence. So the third sentence essentially says Chattarino the size can hire the summer rec staff not me Which is totally fine But I have the discretion to say yes or none of that and to do it myself The fourth sentence we talked about before still actually just passed a charter where The manager checks in with the select board and the select board has a five or seven days to get back to them The more I thought about that and talked it through with Jim Barlow I just concluded that's a little bit awkward and I think keep the language simple Um You approve the hire The form of approval can be However, we want and however formal or informal we want to do it depending on the hire and the manager in the board at the time But I don't think we need to specify an exact process. It's about a relationship Oh But we you would need our approval before the hires come to us Before department head correct I don't have any problems with this This is very The planning commission is leaving as we speak and I'm just hoping no more zoning administrative recommendations needed from that That points out the awkwardness because the planning commission Recommends to the zoning administrator, but really the zoning administrator works with the drb So the different board gets a roll in the iron process by wall Yeah Well, I think that's That's I think I think you're a hundred percent correct. I know people form a dfc person. It was very awkward where you know the line Yeah Do we have to make a motion on this? Did we find that out? Um, depends what you want to do You want to simply engage in a more public conversation and move towards a vote That was my intention Um, I think uh, we'd want to get this out uh for more public comment. We've already mentioned conversation with The committee at rw So In between them might My recommendation at least would be to have some sort of a public meeting Before some kind of a four account meeting habit voted on final I think it actually voted on Charter has to be approved a town meeting right it can be a special town meeting and If you wait until March, you're missing the legislative session So yeah, my advice would be to schedule a Essentially a public meeting to discuss a charter special Some point in August And then work towards a public vote The special town meeting in November because the legislative session starts early This year You think that everything going on August is an appropriate time, you know There's a lot going on in our community Around Wonder if we're going to have Appropriated attention maybe if we delayed it into the fall That would be more appropriate. So What's the Karen can you remind me? What's the warning timeline? I think it's 30 days. So if we had a special town meeting First Tuesday in November We have up to we have 30 days before so we have early October so really if we're Doesn't have to be the beginning of August, but if we're going to have a couple months Of comment, you'd want to start pretty soon. Yeah Great week, you know And the reason I suggest Sooner rather than later because the legislature has to approve with the governor has to sign it It would take the state it takes the state tax department two or four quarters to implement it. So If you if you miss the session and you effectively miss a year, so even if you Follow the schedule who does that line if you're looking at Cash in the bank in 2025 So delay the few months really could mean 2026 So the last week of august would be six weeks from now That's the all Bear in mind, I'm not going to be here I'm gone in august the entire month Two weeks And that's fine, but I just won't be here to lend like administrative help to to it. That's all Um Yeah, yeah, it's just what people do. I mean, I think it's a fair point. I think possibly is real And at a prior meeting, we had a policy About this so I can go in front of work for him and other places Advertise the meeting advertise the policies and the revenues and the things could be funded for this I'm also wondering tom if it's something you can take on or one of us should but a layperson explanation of why one might want to do this I guess I would just say as someone who lives in the nerdy municipal world A memo on a town charter is a thing I might read and understand But I guess I would just say to me fortunately is incredibly straightforward language But it would be like here's the one page of what we're proposing and here's essentially the explanation of how it Differs or is a modification from current practices, which in many cases it is not as codification of existing practices but I think having a Lay language explanation of that might be a useful tool in public outreach Right just explaining of like, you know a man, you know Why do I operate some of the general laws of the state of Vermont? Maybe they'll shuffle it. Um, and so, you know, this is Following that and further specifying where it varies That would be awesome. Thank you so much Follow up on those I think I I ever seen I'm sure some of you may have also received those same emails For any of some concerns about because they probably saw the Charter, you know listed on You know tonight's meeting again, so you know There are going to be you know people are going to want to know, you know Everyone when there are new taxes, you know, there are concerns and I know people have expressed the whole issue that we're a You know recreation You know to have more more taxes on, you know You know, this is going to be a lot on the recreation sector. You know, it's going to be there I think there's a concern I think there will be and for me that would be Reason to have a public meeting earlier rather than later Uh, so I was going to suggest uh, I think we have a meeting scheduled for the 21st of august Why not do it at one of our scheduled meetings? Tremendous amount going on in august But we don't know So steve has I believe finalized the final committee meeting I believe that is august Third he just had me put it on the calendar So the first Select board meeting on the 7th could be the hope baby Final presentation Awesome Okay And then we wouldn't move the There was some discussion of moving our next meeting to the 31st if recovery efforts indicated that we weren't going to need to meet earlier rather than later. We'll be three weeks from tonight but Sensing that maybe we don't and we can just go with the regular schedule me on the 7th How long we'll be missing the services of our town clerk. Yes. Hi. This is not Christian, but I won't be here on the 7th. It's okay. I'll watch the recording but I just Do you got to participate from over there or no, I Yeah, so I'm coming Yes, I'm very excited Um, but it's okay. I'm not I think we should have a day And I'll you know watch afterward assuming technology works Well orca might be here for that Last may be the one to suggest additional meetings I wonder about the prudence of scheduling a meeting for the 31st that we cancel Instead of later needing to struggle to find a meeting date prior to august 7th For some reason in case there was some sort of emergent meeting But if the board thinks we're good, then I will not be the lone tab Well that the space is open that night anyway, so it's not like I could always be a special meeting Yeah, it's not putting anybody out to have it that day If all things remain the same It's sort of lost me. What do you propose it? I was just saying we should pencil it in and our metaphorical calendars in best case we could erase it As opposed to needing to scramble late, but I am a meeting enthusiast All instead of yeah Karen has future calendars saved already, so they're not even metaphorical Okay, uh, why don't we touch on that at the end of the night then sure We're okay with the plan going forward with the charter We don't need a motion Okay Okay update on crushed stone supply So last Monday morning at 10 a.m. I was in a I'm gonna be a little bit A bunch of folks from the State Department of Forest and Parks and they do You didn't ask the times that they that they adopt and This was put on their agenda by Julie Moore who's the Who's that of a and r and my request to have this conversation was interesting meeting because as I was as I was talking That role was rapidly filling in and it was dry when I started and repeat deep when I ended so I was Trying to concentrate at the same time. I was throwing pencils at the wall. What are you saying? Oh, is there What's going on here? But it was turned out to be a pretty lengthy and good conversation You know what I what I said was there's no there's no talent or desire at this point to Do any blasting the government just being able to use to try to submit Uh What he had taken a sample and it's got the got the right qualities that we could good sub base For the roads and we certainly need it They they asked a lot of questions one team was around that everyone all the neighboring towns are hurting from the close of the molten pit and and You know, are we also Can't we also quickly get in form some interest will bring a little with four or five neighboring towns to Explore something I said no that that's not an easy proposition I think in their minds they were suggesting that we band together and hire No geologists or some form of engineer to find suitable sites in the area So nobody can't just do that and agree to split the cost because we have to agree about using the material in the end Otherwise, we're just paying for you know, duck's berries So it's a more complicated proposition. You gotta think through the whole thing Now it's in theory A lot of money and time invested for no gain So it can be difficult. We talked about that We spent some time on the history of the property They asked about neighbor concerns I met with the most obedient neighbor who Really indicated to me he didn't have a major issue with this. There was a couple rocks that were of importance to the guy behind Gwen Anderson. Oh, good. There were a couple couple rocks up there that were some meaning to him. But aside from that, he really didn't Really didn't see a huge challenge with it a huge problem. And I think he appreciated the fact that we have a conversation There's a neighbor behind it who I believe it's a second home But I talked about that now and speaking with You know a contractor who crushes they don't want to come and do a little bit here a little bit there There need to be a schedule that would work with the neighbors and work with the contract contract We want to bring their equipment and do we're all And that could also happen at a time when the parking lot for About that So I you know, we thought it was reasonably workable to come up with a time frame and a schedule that could work for everyone there They asked about what they said is We talked about the need about whether or not the town would be to own the land and I said my desire wasn't to own the land because With the town and by the land from the state forest, we'd have to do a land spot Pretty workable value and that's complex. I said so our desire would be to lease the land and ultimately give it to you and I talked about how There's already parking overflow challenges. So you would have a flat site and we're done right next to your parking lot I thought that was well received there were a couple questions and people asked about sharing in the supply And I said in essence, I don't think anything is off the table at this point But the economics have to work for us. So if you're going to take The percent what's crushed that might not work financially so Anything is possible. We just want access to the stone, but it's got to work for both parties, obviously um Talked a little bit about Some of the e-fug land nearby that that funds a state parcel and how that could in theory be be part of a land spot That involves a whole other board Um But they they raised that they're they're all well aware of what the photo land said about the state parcel and that's an interest in it Now the other issue that was raised that wasn't an issue for us before So To the old site has I walked through it. Um the other week Everyone seemed to agree that it's not a by then it's a hard rock bottom. It's just sort of overflowing water Um I don't think anywhere when I walk through it and my boots never got They didn't work on close to go over the boots just some frogs and it's like that there But on the map, there is a stream that flows down the mountain through the edge of the site I didn't find it. I didn't see it. Um the wardrobe You know said there's a there's a culvert nearby, but it's really a seasonal stream, but they talked about how Some work could be done there to enhance that stream and that they would actually like that Um So I thought they were they were receptive. The door certainly was not closed I think they liked the fact that there could be some overflow parking for underground Didn't appear to be a a wetlands issue according to anyone's According to anyone in the conversation. So Um, you know, the next step is to just keep talking with them and and if they're interested in this it would go in there Management plan for that chunk of safe forest So try to push forward with leasing that property And any closer ideas to how much Crushed down That would generate for us over the years I spent quite a bit of time with the worker of estimating and looking at past budgets and it's it's really tough to do because Sometimes the invoices we get aren't that specific it we both we both you're all the invoices and that will say, you know 10 yards of material, but it won't specify Necessary what material it was so To our best estimate with the average in terms of material and and trucking Between material and labor 60 60 thousand dollars as a town tax pair of money Um, so it's it's poking at it. That's 60,000 a year 60,000 a year. So It's now that is just material that we buy directly and that's just that just labor that We use to haul it or contract out that doesn't include if we decide we're going to rebuild a thousand feet of Gravel road somewhere and contract that entire piece out. So that's our our direct But in doing the math with the closure of the bolt and pit um Those costs close to double well You know depending on where you're going from you're you're going from 10 miles to 25 miles through material Um, and you know, we're talking Staff that aren't free and trust that I might get three or four miles a gallon empty and two to three full Yeah So it's uh, and the biggest hit is just the labor time to to haul it all Probably Do we have to go all the way to hindsburg or is there a little step? Uh, And the material we get some from richman, but generally it's um self-barry Yeah, well um when I Mosey down over to bepsburg yesterday, uh, I didn't notice quite a bit of crushed granite mixed in with their gravel on the dirt roads I was like well if they're getting it This is an issue that's been keeping me up at night. Um, I don't know who they're getting that from but if if there is some sort of substance some other sort of rock that we can mix gravel with To stretch our gravel supply. I think that's something that should definitely be going to do Mm-hmm Yeah, there was uh, the town of boltons sent out a message to all the slight boards around in this area Kingston dutchbury More town in us asking basically the same question with the uh, bolton pit closing I think I probably could answer your question there about the granite. Um, McCulloch Their supply their pit out in the south very is running short This is Their pit is running short gravel. So we're actually buying granite And The bigger concern that I have one of the concerns that I have is that The storm for the one who just had The enormous amount of washouts that some towns have received water very bad for not those resources Talking to the McCulloch's They told me about some of the tips that they have that are you know on their way Insight One of the things that I would convey to the agency and after resources in the world and was at the meeting is that we can't continue to grow these towns and produce more and more infrastructure Without some form of ability to maintain it in the future And unless they're willing to Allow no avenues of resources such as sweet road quarry It's going to become more environmental impact alone Um more and more desperate as time goes on because you won't be able to have the resources to maintain maintaining the infrastructure that created and it's amazing just how much resources every town uses on a yearly basis It's wasted aggro in that sort of quarry on sweet road Talking to the McCulloch about that one. Well Crushing the bigger aggro to get the five-inch minus and such to use for some base as opposed to the three-quarter inch That rock is so hard. I suspect that you were to crush it down to three-quarter inch or inch and a quarter That's so hard like I didn't talk in a lot of theaters Right people experience that over too when they were when they turned it to dirt My question I guess becomes The farther out we have to look for gravel And the farther we need to be farther down More cost-effective just to pay for roads like how many years till it's more cost effective to make a road I don't know That's just before I mean, you know our grab little river road we're paving That was paved years before so there's a pretty reasonable sub base there that we can put a code on But areas that have never been paved The best I can tell you is Probably a dozen years ago. I worked on a project where we paved a gravel road And at the time we built the sub base the right way. It was a million mile 12 years ago No place where there was no shortage of local materials on much cheaper land where you can get them. So I don't know two three million a mile to cable Looked out the right way and david make others can probably comment more but it's it's an awful lot of money. Let's put it that way Also, you're just going to ask if there's next action steps here from this Evening very much. I appreciate the update and their willingness of chris raising this and I know Many years being a champion of this And tom being able to be in the meeting and provide updates It seems promising that they're willing to consider it and entertain it and i'm just wondering if there's anything else you need This evening or so it was just an update just an update nothing this evening. Thank you Move forward allocation of arpa funding tom you appear in a memo for us. Uh, can you just go to Yes, um, it's a little bit of Accounting A wash and and flood fatigue, but the short version is we have about 200,000 dollars of arpa funds that are Uncommitted from the town's perspective You've got 40 16 thousand dollars spent 445 committed in the balances that that 270 years so What i'm requesting you do is simply uh Approved an accounting and you will remove the arpa funds out into the general fund and that will Reimburse the town's general fund for some general governmental expenses, which is one of the improved categories And that doesn't mean the arpa funds are so much on it just means that from the from a reporting perspective the arpa funds are from an entirely committed non-extent And i've seen in the short term With that whole undesignated fund that was that that would increase because of us emotion Oh, my only question is the 200,000 on reappraisal. We've discussed that that seems to be something Beautiful legislative action and Studies and capacity constraints around contractors in the city is that funding we should Well, I guess you haven't outlined the general fund spending plan for it I guess my only concern is do you have any concerns with that being spent within the arpa timeline because right now we're Coming for it through that So we will likely come back Do a subsequent amendment. I've also got The senior center doesn't have a final number the town bridges may come in a little bit less You know down's true. I think it's gonna request our hundred thousand dollars In the spring when I hope they're there, but they may not be Um, you're saying with the end one service that's a pretty quickly developing project that's positive So, yeah, there will be a final amendment. Uh, there may be two amendments We just were impacted by an unforeseen whether disturbance that may affect the economy of the town Some businesses Overstructure So And I know what should help is just before this the ethode board Approved it's in essence for me to engage in some of the businesses directly impacted by the flood directly meaning they were wet And offer some short term interest short term long zero interest Mm-hmm, but you don't have a lot of funds left and that's fun to you. Yeah, you know, maybe a couple hundred Um, we we also talked about ethode has an old Fund they call the property management fund that used to be managed the parks And there's about 150 there and so maybe that could be liquidated To increase it depending on the business demand, but my pitch to ethode was You know, these businesses have insurance policies these businesses may have female reimbursement all that takes time So maybe we can help them get over the gap So if I gave us the park, they didn't give us the maintenance money that they had saved to They did it. That's correct Somebody was asleep at the wheel Ah It's too early, but at the same time, I think if we're offering businesses interest free money I think the men will be high And the board the e-fund board didn't authorize me to sign agreements. I'm going to go back to them with some specifics in general work who want to tie to You know some short term loss of business And they do you expect to get a certain amount back from female or insurance policy? The bridge the net would all come out of the e-fund not correct But as of tonight and just asking us to be classified the alpha funds as outlined below They have a motion to that effect by slowly Start start a paragraph okay, um I moved to transfer alpha funding awarded to the town of water break for eligible uses in this total amount of 278,963 Dollars and 73 cents as outlined pay for 2023 expenses for general government granular pay Fire Department regular pay and general government work pay. So that's what I needed to hit Second Okay, the motion has been moved and seconded any further discussion We are none all in favor say hi Me opposed any expenses The funds have been reclassified and we'll discuss this going forward Um All right, uh next meeting agenda And we had talked about moving us till 31st then we talked about keeping it on the 7th Anyway There is one notable asset that we would have on 31st, which is the large town clerk That's I think what I heard earlier was that the suggestion was to add it Yeah My question is would if we moved it would the update your presentation be ready by 31st? Not the way I understand now So then I seemed like we should not move it Should leave it then the question is do we want to have one on the books just in case we need a general emergency Update meeting and then we can't flip or ask Aaron's ad rooms open Schedule meeting if we need one Okay, I can always put a placeholder on the calendar Kane then Tom, I was going to say we could schedule one We could fill it with all this stuff in the parking lot And then if we need to add stuff Those things are been parked there for a long time Yeah, you have a reasonable point Tom you're out of color Just scheduling meeting on the 31st On the parking lot and I think keep the meeting simple Because I think the whole baby presentation on the 7th could take up an hour But I was thinking for the 31st We could have it be free warden Wasi could that would be an opportunity for wasi to not be on the capital project Schedule fees because a lot of that's recreation and fields and kind of rain is out I don't have any you know, I think in general Those I don't think you show their minor things Those were the items on my list Can we say that we've talked about gravel supply? So that's I do think if we can change the the genre but not the subject on um house Because of our recent events, yeah, um, we should just make sure that we're updated on all of that Let me just call that housing Yeah, I like framing that job about yeah. Yeah, because we can do a housing update because of the test force meeting on Thursday I'm sorry, so you want to call what housing people or just Housing update and remove that from the parking lot on house people In light of current events, I do wonder about some sort of debrief lessons learned Yeah, no, I was just thinking of a like assessment of where we're at I did things to know while it's relatively fresher in There's the Google document about sort of long term lessons. Yeah Resiliency we just talked about again, I'm not saying we're gonna have an action item, but at least a preliminary conversation Because after I read we had The word st. Leo's all Had a whole major meeting about resiliency What plans and I think we did some of them, but I don't think we did a lot of them 22 actions in a report. Like it's a great report. You can read it. Yeah, and I think we actually know I'm checking right now see if that's sharing the whole select board, but it would be a good one to That report? I don't think it's The new one that where we started writing taking notes But and for reference, I'm running it's called a readout report I don't know what that offering stands for and they were done all across the state after I read it. Yeah 22 items I I believe yeah the montan action came cool Well, this is for the 31st, right? Yeah, I think so. Yes, all these are really It's happening. Sorry We're meeting 31st and the 7th and the 21st We used to take sums up now Well, I'll remind you you missed you didn't have two meetings in july, right? Because we didn't meet the week of the That's right. We missed one in july So but now we're having we're having two That's a good that's a good stink. I remind you Yeah So you didn't give deputy tree warden wassy housing update and emergency management review debriefing And then hopefully I'll have minutes We go to work. Do you want rhodesalta? No, we're not ready for rhodesalta I just she hates you and hired and on her first day was a Massive historic catastrophe and has no name but it weren't work. Yeah, we had Um, yeah, we I just like I put her in one of my updates. Yeah, thank you. I just wear the day after she was higher We had I started doing what updates every day and the first day we had a recreation update That recreation was going to be back because they've been off for bed And that they were going to be going to um Brookside with the middle school because the church is flooded and there's something else and then at the end of Is it and this information comes Our new recreation director who's had her on monday as dachro and her first day she started monday And I said I put her I put her name with her I could have put her face in there too, but we'll catch up with her and I and I did Did mention you the other day? Yeah, so yeah, it's been Thank you You said you're gonna be doing a meeting in the morning but no more tomorrow or like every The rest of this week humans will be in this building through Friday and it will be assessed so It'll be some combination of liz elisa and myself and then rotating volunteers Whoa, what's gonna happen? Wow My idea you remember uh said to me as it was on the phone with this yesterday and said I haven't got the newsletter yet Where's the newsletter? I said i'm still working on it. I got it as soon as I can and then she asked Me going out to have my daughter and she said well, who was going to do the news Pennsylvania and I'm getting grief for my He left last Tuesday doesn't we file pictures and then he'll be back tomorrow So I'm going to put him in charge and anything that happens with several photos You One of the fees for future meaning just so you know, you don't miss this So the eFUD board would like a joint meeting They talked about giving the some of the employees who are in the thick of things a little reward Yeah They wanted to do that As a group they wanted to do it. They didn't want to do it for eFUD employees without Yeah, yeah, did they have a proposed on? Not of a setting setting meetings A resiliency brainstorm there's a resiliency angle to that That's a great idea. I'll put that to that Okay, let me know because I have to be warned as a joint meeting Yeah I left him on that chair Okay, thank you All right, thanks So, uh, Karen, Tom and I will uh Attach to some times to these agenda items and rough out the agenda on friday Um Do we need to move into executive session at this point? Oh, well, there's a dog bite. Yeah, we do. We deliberate the dog bite and bubble. We don't need that. You do not have to And you also the nice thing about derivative session Is that you could adjourn and have conversations over email that you normally couldn't use so they're essentially open meeting law Doesn't apply to your email at that point or Three of you can read over coffee and talk about it. It's a special thing. It's like it's your development Frequent I would suggest in this case Doesn't strike me as highly controversial You might want to just do it Celebrate yeah Especially since it's um, it's don't happen that often fortunately And There's there's There've been two bites, but it's been some time And there was some time between the bites so you don't have necessarily the vicious dog on the loose right that did something yesterday So I just think it's it's not necessarily something you can't comment on as you choose to Okay, um I'll start Just to be clear we're in open session Yes, I mean if if people Would feel more comfortable Uh, yeah going to executive session. Anyways, uh, we can do it there Anyone have a drother either way Okay, all right, let's go forward. I was concerned that the the dog is outside without identification As well And that's an easy thing to insist on And we heard from two residents that are concerned about public safety in the name of us With apparently some reason so let's say some immediate issue Taken on I was A bit concerned about requiring a muscle because as Danny mentioned it does traumatize the dog But if it's like it has to be fully supervised or restrained And then we can and with the goal of All like then you have to It's like the trainer to give updates and say, you know, I think I've done six weeks or eight weeks or whatever but That's a lot of follow-up and it's okay for safety, but You know cannot be left alone in the backyard And cannot be unrestrained in public or just shouldn't be in public. Like, you know, she's not going on lots, obviously but um fully supervised or restrained in the backyard, but Yeah, I would not Recommend anyone It's cool. Um, the other thing is I don't feel comfortable making a decision tonight about anything like with the backyard Like having to have a dog on a leash in hand in her backyard without going to see the fence. It didn't understand the fence conversation so if our if it's like Well, I'm so tired So I guess like the idea was like are we are we requiring her to have her dog in her backyard with the fence closed on a leash? And if that's the recommendation and rather us look go look at the fence and see like can that dog get out of that fence? Is it literally closed in with a six foot fence when you go gate? And then with enforcement and if it's fully supervised, you know, that that's a different conversation Okay I did I made it though And usually I don't When I'm listening people talk to the distraction for this thing but um, yeah She says the property is the way it is now. She changed it. She's got six foot fences spanning the whole property or whatever. We haven't seen it With the amount of pure hypotheticals that the accusing parties were lobbying at her Like what if it bites a kid? I had a husky that's jumped over seven foot fence. These are all hypotheticals doesn't yes two dogs were attacked This is a problem and we dealt with but it's just it felt like it was wasting our time for them to try and like Pull out our heart strings about What if this happens? What if this happens? What if this happens? They didn't those aren't things that have happened She's put up the fence if she's Willing to train the dog. I feel like she's taken more steps than we would have taken at this point, right? so If she's if she's built the fence the way she says she has we should absolutely not Oh Approve muzzling a dog under any circumstances if she also has a giant fence No way for the dog to jump over how big she said it was 30 pounds. I don't think she needs to have the dog Restraint in the backyard of the king Yeah, and that's why well why I asked eric all about putting it on a runner Because I think you know for me, that's a pretty reasonable compromise if If there is some way, I mean It didn't seem like that stock gate fence is 100% honestly But I haven't been there to take a look. Maybe that's part of what we need to do But if there is some possibility of that dog getting out Then putting it on a runner in the yard seem like a reasonable solution I've been in this situation more not neighbors or whatnot, but Deb was out in the woods walking our dog and Guy walking his a cheetah pit bull mix attacked our dog and He's lucky.  What was your dog attack my My wife I probably would not be sitting here very calmly This is this is where I'm going I do think I think Don't control very seriously. I think I agree I Amy was trying to be responsible by doing the fence and then an inner fence But I do think one I don't think it's unreasonable that it should be not on on some sort of a run And always be supervised with with with past history of you know, you know violence then maybe You know in five years or something. It's still a young dog You know once it's gone through training and stuff like that, maybe we could revisit, you know, the situation After that dog is you know, deep branch state of urges here. Okay Yeah Just one more comment because we're still I was Like It's pretty vicious Not a good time to be had but I You know I still think a dog can be rehabilitated. You know, it's not yeah, they're not just killing machines Especially the big scary ones. They're not just killing machines Dogs get too rough dogs get territorial those behaviors can't be taken out So I just I don't want to go I don't want to get in the business of punishing dog owners or the dogs Um, I think rungs are incredibly restrictive, but if the dog needs it for the time being then the dog needs to But I also I don't have anything against pickles what I was Maybe I just want to understand Most specifically what we're requiring and that's what I was trying to get from aria The muzzled and overstrained It's something We're at the labs a long time ago, but I'm not a current dog owner of just the and what it overlaps is How it overlaps with our current shot on the book So like my understanding is all dogs in downtown water reaching her back I understand I did but just that's what I want to outline really clearly It's actually like the information that I need to understand is what where Required so add all time to an outside so so the difference given this Circumstance and what we've taken tested and known me on is that it's including Restrained for muzzlin in like private property from a public health perspective Are are we considering a run restraint though? Arielle did not I guess that's just my question I don't understand like what protocol we're calling for and what Um, we're saying that we need that and then I also just feel like we It would be ingredient to not have a conversation about the follow-up And I assume aria would be the one mediating complaints But for the conversations about ordinances just want to have that conversation about who's doing the follow-up if there's Uh, yeah, I think we are talking about having a restraint In the backyard And or Personal restraint, uh, and I would I don't know why Arielle does not consider a run a restraint because one of our previous dog Animal patrol officers did require me to put up a run for my dog Did she did she say that or did she say that it came off? Yeah, she had an experience Can we get it checked and make sure it's secure so that it's up to standard What I mean is that that's what we should do so it's not like fully tied on a clothing line, you know, like make sure it's done well I also think a restraint in a fence backyard is a very different scenario than a general Right like a run for a dog in your open backyard in a run for a dog in a fully enclosed Backyard or something are very different in my mind Well, so just to me it's an ultimate of a human sitting with a leash restrained in my backyard in a Not human run thing in my fully fenced backyard, but fully fenced backyard is a condition a baseline condition But I just want to see out loud again. I think it's important to articulate in just what we're requiring because It's not I think that is restrained outside at all times, but I don't know I guess right Framing Yeah Would anyone be interested in going and taking a look at the Backyard and say, you know, how I'll secure that fence against video it Bring me I know All right, and then So I'm not so sure we need to come up with a Defined solution tonight, but as Donald suggested with the email On this particular issue and then come up with a Deliverative statement. Yeah, so I as a formality would move to enter a deliberative session For the purpose of further discussion of the animal control hearing on 7 13 23 Which my assumption is then gives us the we would do whatever and get back to the involved parties 7 31 7 13 I mean, oh gosh Oh, sorry, you wanted a date of when we were giving them the things. Sorry. I was misunderstanding I well, first of all, I said the hearing so I could just start over Dog bite hearing on July 17th Um to come up with a solution that we can communicate to the involved parties. No later then I lost it She's got a little off derailed at the beginning Yeah, I think we're good. Uh, so we have motion Move the second in any further discussion Hearing none all there is a aye. Aye. Any opposed abstentions? All right, we'll stay in deliberative session until the 31st at which time we'll uh, deliver a statement on this situation Yeah, I mean, I don't even need a particular video Walk up there myself, but uh, yeah, what I'd really like to be your assessment is to have security.  I think we all get that but the the issue here is Um, can we immediately require the collar? Oh Uh, I think the issue where you have a statement immediately saying that all the dog must have a collar every time Well, I guess we are because we're Well, it's not a wall in here in the fenced in backyard I would think I hindered the tag so that the dog can have it all I guess so it is weird to get Now back checking out it's weird to be one person if you're suddenly getting the parameters to the dog Not necessarily I think just say, you know immediately We want to have that dog because it's a it's a public safety issue And until further notice that dog can be uh on the loose in that backyard. Well, anyway, if it is the if it is the town Well, then it's not us that's your statement. It's just important the town rule I read the dog ordinance in a while We can we can just I'm pretty sure that dog's supposed to have a collar with his tag Yes, the dog's license I haven't read the dog ordinance I've read it recently. I don't know that piece, but I think that is in the ordinance Or I think it's at least in blood because the whole point is if they get off private property So I think it says your dog has your dog has to wear it's tags at all times. Yeah. Yeah, and that might even be state You just put broad statement. I'm just to remind everyone Yeah, we can we do have other things going on this time. Um, so Can I have a motion on? issuing a mandate that the dog be where it's Collar with its identification at all times I move to require the dependent dog Chester to Wear a dog collar with his tags on at all times. Okay. I guess we'd probably direct it to Amy Sharpe And I can I'll write her a letter Okay, uh Do you need clarification on the one motion? No, I don't think so. I just need a second. Okay. That's why There we are it's been moved and seconded all they were say hi Any post any abstentions? Okay. Thank you Um, and then Tom if you wouldn't mind also mentioning we're going to deliberate on the restraint issue And Yeah, all right Okay, um, and did you say you had a Executive session? Yes. So I'll go get my folder But in the meantime, if you want to make the the two motions you have to make in the state of Vermont So the first would be the specific timing that premature general public knowledge We could at least probably involve as substantial disadvantage, but the second motion will be The purpose of Three words So Wait, can you so move that? No, I have to Oh, but Bart Mike said so moved I always like that Premature public knowledge of litigation involving the town of Waterbury. We've clearly placed the town at a substantial disadvantage Should I have a second second all there to say hi. Hi. Any post any exceptions? All right And then The session The move in seconded all there to say hi Opposed any extensions. All right now