ommunity special then it ends i'm just kidding i i follow them all through every jan karam beautiful jan yeah i write about her i think she was a precursor to the hot chicks doing comedy i mean she i won't name names she knew right on saturday night live or a producer and said hey could i be on it because you're too beautiful you're too beautiful and then finally she said well what about tina fey and and that's so she a precursor to the sarah silverman amy schumer hot chicks or jan never owns her hotness she never you know talked about you know bodily functions with semen and you know i'm not saying that's all they do but you know i'm saying i gotta talk about sex no she was like girly but she was really beautiful and she still is so remember vanda michael's yes i just thought i'd bring her up yeah she was more like a vampy kind of well vanda vamp no she was yes she was a very sexy lady but yeah but women in the 80s were more like kind of like mini poll risers you know the you know punch punch you know um riser was punch punch we think well we all that 80s kind of new york roll up your sleeves and call riser yeah he's called a pound stone yeah i don't know go ahead no i think it's odd that like we think of it as such an advantage to be a beautiful woman in comedy but at the same time i think sarah silverman might have been one of the most attractive women who ever lived and she never got a movie and she was amazing she's got movies she never started a movie at the peak of her life recently hotness well i'll tell you about no i and this is what i think about sarah silverman very very very attractive but she's attractive where she makes you think one of us could be with her even though we never could you know i know she has an accessibility i don't believe she's like this like what's her name who's that woman um the black lady and whose line is it anyway um aisha tylett is gorgeous but it's not an accessibility like there's a wall of sarah what makes you think you could have sarah silver nothing in the world i know you know i'm talking about an accessibility you make her laugh you get the impression if you make her laugh enough she'll love you even though you know i mean just the word just just accessibility uh what's her name the whose line is it lady she doesn't there's a wall she's not to me you know what i'm saying there's a not a flirty with sarah silverman but like like amy schumer um yeah so jan was a precursor to beautiful women being comedians but she never really made it like those people did okay but this is exciting yes and and i interviewed you wow this is so long ago on mother's day and you only gave me a few minutes because you're in your car you're in jersey but uh this last year yeah i think it was mother's day that would be like a year ago yeah it took a while and what did i say did i give you any insight yeah um i like the thing about what's wrong with being afraid of success we talked about that earlier in the show well that's about all the insight you gave me i'm trying to you know pump you up but earlier i was talking to mark normand about fear of success waiting in the wings to go on and saying to yourself wow this is this is too much pressure i can't handle it and fear of success i think is a rational response to realizing the pressures that success is going to bring you well and interviewing for this uh book a lot of things i didn't realize i didn't realize the bay in the eighties was i thought only new york city's comedy boom the eighties was where there was more gigs and comedians where you could almost effortlessly make a living i didn't know in the bay they were like rock stars we were rock stars and like bob rubin and and some of them were in a comfort zone where they they were you know like almost race to the rafters and where it was hard because in the bay they were these rock stars then they had to come to los angeles to hollywood and figure out how to package that to show biz the package was special about you and it wasn't about being creative as it was in the bay it was more like and a lot of them couldn't do that like warren you know some of them could yes the the the tension in san francisco and that's over by the way there's no they don't encourage young comedians in san francisco really no it stopped but at the time in the eighties early nineties you were taught to be a star you had to fall in san francisco yeah you were you were encouraged to develop a follow kind of like now with social media like you had to be funny and then you have had a following like bob rubin yes and you had to nurture your following and you're right then you'd go to new york in la and you'd have your ass handed to you because nobody knew who you were and you weren't getting free laughs but some people like ellen she was from the bay yeah well originally from new orleans but she she made her name in the bay area and whoopie made her name in the bay area and dana carvey and jake and i'm thinking a lot of and then they moved to la and they had their first round of star making in san francisco was kind of like the minor well dana carvey was yeah so they knew how to do it right others came down and couldn't deploy or there was some that a great guy who i just met a few years ago jeff bolt who was on a young comedian special was he on your young no no no yeah very funny guy but he was on an earlier one and he was there he was making like 50 000 a year doing some advertising voiceovers and he had a kid and goes why do i have to go to sam uh to hollywood so there were people that never uh came to hollywood from the bay that was they didn't need to because at the time wall street had not bought up all the local radio and television stations and advertising agencies nobody realizes it i think they're beginning to realize that wall street has just sucked all the commerce into the tip of manhattan really oh yeah oh yeah so yeah there was one guy there was a time when i lived in san francisco and all the radio stations all the advertising agencies all the television stations were locally owned and the newspapers were locally owned so there was real competition there was real money plus in the bay they a lot of these guys were big stars on this radio show alex uh bennett he was like uh like a stern kind of guy so they were in such a cushy yeah their followings they'd go on alex bennett i was on the alex bennett show and yeah i mean if there was a i would be recognized wow it was weird so what was it like when you first came to hollywood from or did you go to new york after i went to hollywood mm-hmm but i went as a writer as a stand-up i had been doing stand-up for about 12 years and i got as good as i was going to get what year we're talking 94 i got you were getting tv spots around then right i was doing a lot of cable access shows there was all like mtv and a and e but i couldn't break through to like hbo i couldn't get on you did a one night stand though did you i don't know i did uh commie central presents i was gonna say i know i saw you on tv in the 90s yeah yeah i was on tv a lot in the 90s but it was all the low rent tv and i was told not to do it i was told to save myself for the tonight show and i said these are the only people who are putting me on tv i'm gonna do i decided i'm gonna do every tv show and get so comfortable on tv that if i ever was hard to turn down even at the improv right and the truth is i mean as someone who is watching stand up as a kid in that time i don't remember who i saw in the tonight show and who i saw an evening at the improv but you know something um i'm not sure if you want to tell your age but when i tell people about my book many people 30 or younger had no idea what these hbo young comedian specials were you're evening at the evening at the improv i sound like an old guy people don't know their history but you would think if you're a comedian you'd want to see people starting out on these evening at the improv so those old kind of you know if you could find them don't judge my age by my face okay judge it by the fact that i can't sit here without a heating pad and not be an intense pain because of all the nautilus how deep are we into the show i want to say something about being jewish how deep are we into this show okay and then we had mark normand on you know what's your last name stolar what's your last name cyrus okay what's my last name feldman who's got the the jewish last name you okay i gotta carry the weight for my entire religion we had mark normand right and you're talking about how he loves the jews he's not a jew he wishes he was a jew and you walk in dave cyrus walks in the jew uh-huh with the persian last name now i feel wrong i should the complaint i should the complain now i'm hot alex can i have some a c please yeah this is what i'm talking about yes i gotta act like the the Gentile i have to act like the guy from connecticut because my last name is feldman cyrus walks in in the middle of the show with ben gay breaking a ben gay yeah three pillows yeah heating pad heating pad i can't that was my great grandmother's i can't move my neck yes and and this little part of me is thinking not in front of the gentile then i run into fred stoller i really do have a cold hang on i run into fred stoller as we're saying about a mark normand the first thing out of your mouth is i can't shake your hand i got a cold being nice where can i get and i can't where can i get the chicken soup where can i get chicken soup don't get too close to me and then you walk into the studio it's so drafty in here and i know by the way i have a problem with your friend i won't mention the name but you start bringing up the friend and i'm thinking i don't get to act that way let me hang on for one second i don't get to act that way because my last name is feldman i would love to walk into the studio let me say complain but i can't no let me you guys have your gentile last names and you get to be jews very idea that you think you'd pass for a second with a gentile last name let me say my defense my act my persona was never like a kindler like oh the jews here on your territory uh i work with kindler and he he mocks me when i was on mark maren like oh the annoying nebis show you know like kindler and i really don't reference being jewish i didn't go oh yeah it was a skinny guy they hit me i'm jewish that's me kindler but no but you know i'm saying kindler is so but you guys walk into a room and ju it up no i'm neurotic in a different way like my mother when i talk about my mother yes they go she's a typical jewish neurotic one no she's some other pathology it's not that i i think i'm neurotic but it's not the jewish cliche i'm not saying kindler's cliche i can't think about the you know i'm saying i'm not the jewish like like jackie mason oh i'm not running for trump he doesn't like israel oh that's my impression of a jew his parents pearl and morris pearl and morris you deserve that is pretty jewish yeah you deserve an anglicized last name if your mother and father the jews hated i grew up in sheepshead bay in brooklyn me too really sheepshead bay on brag street uh brown street wow right by the bell parkway yeah and um they use i didn't know jews or a minority we had no education because we i see minorities everywhere and they never liked us because we weren't observant jews so don't play with freddy he eats comets and uh and and they would always be racist small minded but two days a year they dress up and i never like that hypocrisely like we're good jews and you guys are so we had a house fire and the house not burned to the ground but burnt your house fire we had a house fire when i was your house caught on fire yes electric fire did you have menorahs no an electric fire you always hear about christmas tree fires never had menorah fires so the rabbi says to us now maybe you should go to temple and start praying and my father goes no everyone else in the block should pray and thank god it wasn't them and uh so i always tell them morris i never liked this exclusivity like everywhere it is us against them the goyim the schvitzes the schvitzes so i don't go oh we're persecuted i'm the jew here the only time i ever ran into anti-semitism was in san antonio um at a comedy club they screamed out where'd you get your nose job jew and uh so no i'm not like when he's go oh we're persecuted i never i don't have that that's the that's the motto of san antonio yeah where'd you get your nose job jew but uh man i i talked about kindler on mark maren you know what i should do uh alex maybe i should we should call tom sharpling and result my feud with uh kindler i'm pitching tom sharpling ideas on your podcast who do you feud with lately because you do have feuds a lot of people think of you as a nebish but you you have a lot of rage inside of you well i people think they could bully me because you know i have this persona so i don't when people bully me i i push back what about when norm bullies you um i figured something about norm mcdonnell people think he's drunk he's lures you know what i think it is he will tell you things offstage but he's very diplomatic he'll be here yeah that guy's gray uh oh yeah um um so i think he's he's very smart where he doesn't he's not like me like a schmuck says things kindler goes yeah kindler is great he goes kindler like um yeah does that make sense so you travel with norm not anymore did you have a falling out no but um what was the name of your cat who passed away michael i because of you have come up with a theory about cats how old was michael left to be 18 wow and and and you loved michael um i'm i hate to i don't hate to say that's the sadly that's the best closest relationship i ever had with anything parents um except for alex i i'm doing shtick you know like i'm being so lame i'm making fun of killer it's like no no no no is there if i ask you about michael because i sure he's been he's been gone about two years or maybe more where did you find michael well when i wrote on uh sidefield uh there was the you know the radford lot so in the days when larry said don't bother doing anything but but i wanted to show up to get my last six checks i'd go for walks and do you remember there was that there was a place across i play pinball do you remember there was a like a little bar not a bar like a weird shack kind of thing and then i there was a place called rusties that had pat pet adoption so and i i never had cats growing up i never got them i thought they were like squirrels but then a cat showed up at my place and was rolling in his back i don't know i don't know cats could be great but then let me he showed up at your place he would just like maybe he was lost or a neighborhood cat he i'd open the door he'd come in roll on his back this is michael no it was another cat i go i don't know cats were amazing like this cat i said but then the cat stopped showing up maybe the uh was lost or um whatever maybe he was on to you yeah so so then i said i think i want to get a cat because when i wrote on seinfeld i saved the money to get off the road i hated the road and said i want to stay in town now and try to be a character actor so i said not so then i remember the place rusties and they had uh uh foster days and um so uh and everyone's sitting there with their cat and i i didn't know which one to pick you know you know and one woman actually i looked her up and her name she was a playboy she was an apocalypse now as one of the playboy playmates she was uh i forgot synthia wood syndy woods i wish i could email her and say thank you for the best 18 years of my life best pussy i ever got yes yes i did it i went for the pussy yes so um she goes this one is so exceptional i'm thinking of keeping him so i trusted her and uh he would leap into my arms to be held kissing me and now i'm an insane cat lover i'm staying with rena who has two cats was he named michael when you got him or did you name him michael well um if you read my kindle single um now i'm not saying that when i uh you're gonna mock but when i came to i went through a thing when i auditioned for the first uh 1980 no not he's not rodney kindles uh kindles rodney kindle rodney young comedian special i uh rodney because you're too low-key okay and i went through a funk and um i remember i went with this comedian a guy mike eagan you a great guy you probably never heard of him sounds familiar he was he just was a new york philly guy and and he had a like a 13-year-old son who was so in you know from a past marriage and dad are you gonna be on that cable but it was public access and and it hit me if you have a kid you don't come home i'm a piece of shit rodney doesn't want me i don't know how you are your kids you have to hold it in and and your kids excited for any little victory you have so then i had an imaginary son and his name is michael and he when i moved to la michael would be proud of me and this is very what he was like was he a real imagination i wasn't that psychotic where i'd give him cereal you know and wipe his face and put him on the toilet well you don't do that with 13 year olds but uh i i i came up with the inner child concept before they did it i were you really i wasn't that pathological where but you did have an imaginary yes name michael and then my cat was called but i wanted were you doing it as a joke or did you actually talk to an imaginary no i again it wasn't that psychotic where i would talk to him in the street but i remember you know just when i did the tonight show i remember thinking my son's proud of me i i had to do this so i didn't beat myself like my mother would come home it's almost over you know my mother never understood about being strong for your children i'm gonna die who's gonna go first me and marris marris make sure you like it it's your last car what if marris goes i don't know how to do things so i i didn't know that your mother and father were named pearl and morris you're gonna move to sweden and marry the first blonde i really wish now that triumph's dad was named morris and not sydney because that's so much more so i'm you know now you know what i did with my kids this is true did you come home i'm a piece of shit my jokes didn't get worked you used tonight today or no i always come home and say fred stuller's a piece of shit no i this is true i had an imaginary son and an imaginary daughter because my daughter you didn't like it was terrible you know my daughter had an imaginary friend get out of here you're not mocking me no i swear to god this is true my daughter had an imaginary friend and i thought it was really cute so i and my daughter was like three at the time i said well i have an imaginary daughter her name is donna and so donna would come in and we would and then donna became perfect so then oh i had to live up to it so i'd go donna doesn't have a temper tantrum and i did it as such a joke that my daughter by the time she was seven was getting it comparing me to donna yeah she would get a knife and stab yeah donna and then my son had you know imaginary friend so i he i had an imaginary son named don so there was don and donna you know i remember about your son hang up one second hang up one second so as the years went on and my kids became more depraved i think i say more depressed more depressed i they would be in the back seat talking about don and donna it got to the point where they invented a storyline with their friends where don had impregnated donna oh my god i had to go i go where's donna now they're like 16 and 18 oh donna went away dad we maybe it's good i never had real kids they and their friends had this whole scenario where don just the idea the daughter and you taught your kids to believe that their imaginary friend in a miscarriage fantastic it was pretty funny what were you gonna say what about my son what i remember is um i used to bump into you a lot at the farmer's market but also walking to the pan pacific park and i think you were uh he was playing little league yours coach yeah and you went you went his freddy you go fart for him and he did like did you teach him to do that he was always loaded and he would just tell him to do it yeah he had this gift gift then he discovered girls he hung out with comedy writers and comedians and he would come up to the wherever it doesn't seem like a david feldman sensibility would come in from the time he was like six months old he would crawl into a writing room find the candy and then when he was by the time he was three he could go look everybody i can fart and it would make a fit with both hands you know and he'd fart and everybody is doing stand-up now and headlining and you open for him with that well his name as a stand-up was frankie lane really i made up this imaginary see i feel not so crazy he's saying this i used to tell everybody that he was frankie lane america's youngest political satyrist this one he was eight years old so i used to crack chef garland i think what's going on i can't play with you jeff i'm taking frankie lane out to the improv he's auditioning for the tonight show the thing is you made this out of loneliness he had kids to take care yes i know these things up or just to to not beat myself up so much to be strong and have someone be proud of me and all that stuff i'm sorry his name was ralphie lane i apologize ralphie lane thank you not frankie lane frankie lane was a singer they're on the 101 near monterey as we would head up to san francisco to visit grandma and grandpa there'd be a road called ralphie lane on the 101 heading north and i always thought that's a great name for a stand-up and then i would turn to my son and say he was like six at the time you're ralphie lane america's youngest political satyrist wow that's great it became this running fiction i mean it's too bad you didn't go all the way and do it a lot of dads did which was just feed their nine-year-olds all their failed stand-up bits because it works when a child does it i mean you've seen that that's how that's how i did not know i did not know you did a thing called fell though the clown someone just told me yeah well you did your same act as dressed as a clown did you know this yes we've talked about that it's his email right that's right i didn't put it together that you i didn't think oh he literally was a clown so yeah i wore a clown suit for a while no but like for it works for your act though because your act is just so depressing yeah and dark that having just like a failed clown do it the hardest the funny hardest i ever made warren thomas laugh we were working a club and i was in a clown suit drinking drunk and fighting with my then girlfriend soon to be my ex-wife soon to be my ex-wife and we're going and i'm in a clown suit and then i turned to warren holding a shot of jack daniels i can't control this woman and he just started cracking up because i'm this unshaven clown ozo right wig red nose holding a shot of jack daniels totally unaware that i'm in the clown suit complaining about my girlfriend he just anyway he did so many stories of warren and he's well one of the things he he was always on but he was generous meaning he made you funny or he he you know he wasn't like a guy with a wall up just doing shtick he really brought you along and went with your bits warren could do two i'll shut up but there are two things that i remember one was dana carvey and one was warren thomas this is how funny these two guys are i remember watching on saturday night live carcenio yeah yes sure dana carvey as carcenio yeah it was and i started laughing so hard in a way that i had never laughed before and i remember thinking oh this must be what it feels like to be a woman being entered i i swear to god that was i had this reaction when i was going oh my god this must be like he was that the comedy was so invasive oh once someone i interviewed for this said warren was like almost a killer yes like he was an assassin yes like he'd see you're laughing and then he'd go more and more like right up to your face he wanted you to like almost like kill you warren warren that i was gonna say about warren that was dana on tv dana you know dana could do it to strangers on tv yes you know dana says like maybe it's true that dana was the best ever to do saturday night live that may have he may be that's a great point and so what warren would do is he would riff in your face yes and you would drop to your knees yes he would stand over you yep keep going riffing and you'd be curled up yes laughing and like an assassin like an assassin you know you know robin you know robin wouldn't do that pro groups proops wouldn't do that but warren would stand over you and you'd just go down you would you would walk into a room and there'd be somebody down laughing yes he would take you down but again the sad part is he couldn't translate that to you know that's why i brought up dana first because dana can yes he couldn't translate that to where america could see that and you know all that stuff but um no i i was good to i i guess it's what it's like being a good host i got out of my head talking to people made friends made some not friends one guy won't say his name was like my kenny banya episode you know the seinfeld one of course that happened to me real guy bruce smirnoff gave me the money suit and demanded a meal for it and that was based on hang on for one second bruce smirnoff is our miami bureau chief now oh so in real life tell us about bruce smirnoff he gave you what happened your story he gave you what happened was there used to be a place the beveley connection and a starbucks and sure and one time i saw him he goes what's my suit of you i don't know i didn't ever have a suit he goes i have muscle i've been working out he goes i got a new armani suit doesn't fit me i'll give it to you an all right and a money suit he would say it was a thousand dollars i don't want to get into another lawsuit but i found that for someone it was on the closeout rack for 200 you know he goes you take me for a meal you know the story really happens we went to jerry's deli and jerry's deli hang on for one second if you listen to last week's show yes bruce smirnoff is on he references the episode yes and we talk about jerry's deli yes go ahead so he you know he says i'm just gonna have the soup save the meal he got soup and a soda can't like 20 bucks so then he'd call me up he go i'm at jerry's want to meet me so he'd have the soup and soda skip saving the meal and uh i i pitched it to larry he's crazy he goes uh because jerry's more sort of he would say the first time soup doesn't count so so what happened was then um you know i wrote the episode off it and uh then i got you know it was an ass back to seinfeld and then bruce goes i want to reel me a lot just jerry's because you know you made money you wrote an episode and everything did you already pay for two soups at jerry's at this point he said he wouldn't let you pay for him no no i paid for them but his his contention was uh you know you made more money because you wrote an episode you made money i gave you also gloves he goes i don't want he goes jerry's you gave me but because finally we had a jerry's meal but he goes uh i want like a real meal like and i'm such a nabish i go let me just get this over with i know just get it or whatever i i you know i i can't say no so i had just got fired from seinfeld and he's sitting there like it you know it was on uh i can't think of an example the late brad gray um you know like on paramount where i didn't i never went to a restaurant like this everything's a la carte and he's he's wiping his hand i got a coffee i'll get soup and uh and he's and i'm sitting out of my head down i hardly had anything that he's getting a dessert and you know so he went to town so in in in doing this research for this uh kindle single thing one comic um i don't know if he'd have the sense of humor as bruce would have at it but he you know he was in the scene so we met at um place in malibu called nobo uh it's expensive uh oh yeah what's it called nobu so he goes i'll take it easy that's sushi sushi he said i'll take it easy i'll just have appetizers it came to $70 so then he goes i just thought of other information so we meet it and for waffles you know so then i pay you know again so then who are you having this i i i'll tell you off maybe because you're doing this as research for seinfeld no no no no no this for his book this was for the recent book when i was i see i was okay i i i i didn't mind i paid for every one for the you know i'd pick up their meal because they're giving me information and um three of them were very menci they go freddy and freddy i'm not letting you because they're multimillionaires rick mesina mark brazil and dav rath they go they you know dav rath is a multimillion well he he manages so many people pete holmes and uh i can't think of the list but i don't know he's he does well yes yes yes very he took care of warren yes yes yes he was very he when warren got sick he was instrumental and yes maintained warren's health very generous and with me so this other guy texted someone that led to an interview for my book he goes you know i i want a real meal at nobo's not just the appetizers i go you're just like any bag yet this way he goes i go you're just like anybody he goes you benefited i should benefit wow so then i i kind of been estranged from him because other annoying things so i i do you keep up with bruce murnoff no because he's in he's in florida and i see as a trump supporter is he a trump maybe he's not i don't know you got to cut him out of your life yeah because i would see i would see on facebook he's so funny he is very funny right isn't he one of the funniest people yeah isn't he the great i mean he's he he yes he is he did at one man show and he just is cadence like uh i got a nose job you know why pussy you know you know just like i like he just even though it's that old school cadence it's uh i'm not going to go there you know yeah we all know that comic and i could see how they could be a trump supporter that comic who nickle in dimes everything and not even like money wise that like pat nozwell tells a great story in his book about how he was featuring for some comic and the comic had like a fit because the clock radio in the features room had more features than the clock radio in the headliners room and he switched them and then left him like a page written out in hand about how the reason why he needed to do this well when i work with tom kenney who you know he's making up that we had a fight but when on an animation show he did no you came on the show about three years ago and you were pissed off at tom kenney because oh he would always say i'm a working man i'm like what he got three and it come an hour late every session and charm everyone i i envy him because he's charming no he's a great guy i was just he's of course he's a great guy but nobody in the history of the world ever said a bad word about tom kenney i just except for you so so he'd always say you can't be a right wing and funny and i disagree with tom kenney but i disagree because this is why i disagree even though i'm not right wing is comedy's based on fear and i was once watching boxing which i'm not into with these very successful comedy writers and one of them it was it was so sick and he goes the black guys they they have everything they have the big dicks and they get the women and they beat us up and it's so a lot of people it's fear-based and and like though you know i mean so a lot of comedians are fear-based and fear is they're going to take us things are going to you know what i mean so that's why i think you live the right wing as i have a smart like you i think of the word um tenants is um fear and it's like oh you know i mean does that make sense what i'm saying yeah i agree with you let's say let's say hate i think that hate is what makes comedy so funny and who's more hateful than a trump so or they're fear-based you know like trump is funny i disagree no but it's pretty fun but well you know i'm saying that they're they're fear of uh they're gonna get us you know uh they're gonna take our stuff they're gonna beat us up uh you know i'm like gilbert would do bits like oh a jew and a black guy in an elevator and then black guy gets off you know i mean i'm scared it's a jew you never hear that so it's funny but it's more like based on that kind of fear of the taking our money beating us up you know he started with gilbert what was he like when he started out ah probably the least likely guy you think would be married with two kids but um and the most beautiful wife and the most beautiful kids did you know him before he started doing the voice yeah he oh he didn't have that voice originally no no he was he would annihilate a room where i i i couldn't go up i go i'm just doing stupid jokes he would do he yeah he did i i ala stuff the most you know he was on the gene dominion set in life because he would just do it was almost i almost think maybe sc t re ripped it off because like humphrey bogard is woody allen and this sc tv did that stuff and gilbert would do jerry seinfeld talking to david bruh or gavin mcleod talking to uh um tony who's that guy um jamie lee curtis uh tony curtis how you doing gavin how you doing tony or woody allen his taxi driver so he did brilliant annihilated you know i mean brilliant you know i i'm not too uh good with the sores were brilliant a lot but then he became that guy enacting and screaming you know i when i did stand up um i was pathologically shy and my persona because who i was my head would be down and i'd make nooses with the mic stand because i couldn't look at them that became my character for a while was it real or put on it was real i i was pathologically trying to go ahead go ahead so gilbert i think can't look at the audience so really sorry and closing his eyes and waving his arms you know so i think it came out of uh i will tell you as long as we're talking about bodily functions mm-hmm okay alex brazil no relation to mark brazil mm-hmm took me to see gilbert carolines about a year ago uh and i didn't know how funny gilbert was going to be live that's i had the same thing like i as a kid i knew him as the guy from problem child i knew him as this character actor you see all the time and you see standing like oh my god you thought he was just going to do like a you know just a cheap character version he's a fucking genius i he would depress me actually not that it was envious but i i go what am i doing like it was just it was yes and hang on for one second so i i just want to share this because it's irrelevant and self-indulgent at one point i started to laugh so hard remember i said dana yeah this is what feels like to be entered every orifice opened up i i i thought oh my god i almost shit myself thank god i'm regular and i take care of myself and i'm a vegetarian because i would have just emptied everything into my pants yeah i had i never understood what it what they meant by oh i laughed so hard i shit myself until i saw gilbert godford yeah i was like that as a kid with jenny rich jenny yeah i you know it's a 12 13 he was a genius you know something was 10 years rich jenny was 10 years amazing but there's this fashion that thought he was hacky you know i don't get that i don't either i'll tell you what that close your computer i was just seeing what time it is um the faction with jenny they were the purists who didn't like robin in that jenny knew how to take a premise that was kind of in the ether and then get every piece of meat off the bone on a premise that is believable the way he would keep going that appeared to be kind of generic but that was his genius he was he was accessible not hacky no he was i used to open for rich i was very close to him and i once slept over i was locked out of my house in brooklyn i lived there and uh yeah in canarsia somewhere he was he was a kind kind man so brilliant so funny and very anal he was just i would write with him and he didn't do a volume business he would fixate and just keep fixing but i said he was the opp polar opposite of warren thomas so warren would be riffing and and you think right now you just said do that on stage what did i say rich would do things like uh if you're not using i don't mean stealing but like right can i do something with that i could put that he was a shark when i guess a shark yes he was a he was an amazing writer and to the point where like you would catch him if you really knew his act you would catch him slipping written things into like interviews which a lot of people did but like he would you could just see like this that's where he was comfortable he was comfortable saying things that he knew he was ready for bruce smirnoff has the greatest story about his wake that i have to ask him to tell next week okay tell bruce you know thank you does he know he knows about the suit as he asked for another meal what does he know about what smirnoff knows about the seinfeld episode i brought him into audition for kenny banya i thought give him a shot who and he came in and the problem sometimes is that um you i we were we larry david wasn't looking for bruce smirnoff the guy who i got it was great steve heightner he goes i didn't get to be me someone else was better being me than me an irish guy with muscles but how could larry not love bruce smirnoff because i think he was trying too hard to bruce up his bruseness when we weren't look we get gonna keep seeing we when they weren't looking for seinfeld bruce is one of the funniest people in the world but as you know some of the funniest people don't translate to acting what about his one-man show great the funniest right i had yeah yeah yeah the thing with the nazis and uh he had a following nazi did you have a falling out with bruce no why are you saying that i just want to make sure i'm going with your your thing about how funny his one man show was no i i again i think when steve heightner auditioned for banya he wasn't going i studied bruce smirnoff he brought this annoying you know you know the kenny banya character was pretty good what steve heightner did brought him back a lot yeah yeah so they weren't looking for bruce smirnoff is what i'm saying even though was based on him larry loved what steve heightner brought to it he was it was a very like consummate seinfeld character the way he did banya right you know there's that seinfeld that was one of the shows that just had such a recognizable tone that he really did hit that i could see how you know right bruce smirnoff was like it's like a vandy kenner who's funny even though i'm what i'm saying i'm just being stupid but kenner's funny but you know that that is not as a definitive seinfeld you know i'm saying yeah persona so you're back in new york for how long till friday when'd you get here uh crazy late saturday night the plane was delayed four hours and um i got here saturday and uh did you see pearl no she's in florida good for her we're in florida coconut creek do you know what that is i don't know why i know coconut creek oh it's there for lauderdale there's definitely a wrestler who as a child was introduced as being from coconut creek florida that's the only reason i if you're lucky we get to go to two jays it's a jewish deli place you go down and visitor i do let's just say uh not as much as you would think i would but uh from all this stuff but i'm do i i i i had to do this trip actually i got a new cat so when i talk what's his name i you know i got a cat that was already named so i'm keeping it as luna she's funny i like luna i at first i unfairly compared it to mitchell not the imaginary son but the mitchell the cat and now i fallen in love and i'm very fortunate because i got a great cat sitter who's staying at my place do you think it's healthy for humans to give human names to cats i don't i think you give a cat like a name like bingo i actually agree with that because i named my cat angela because i was mad that my friend named his dog stacey and i thought that would somehow get back at him oh and i'm an idiot because it was he's like oh that's cute angela and i'm like well that was a complete waste of time the ultimate revenge my ex-wife is the kindest person in the world she's the animal lover you have a lot of animals yeah except to me she's the kind person her one vice was we would name an animal and she would give it a horrible nickname that was abusive if we had a cat that was named ginger and the cat was fat and we would call it fatty we had a dog named ugly stinky she was kind to all animals is kind to all animals except for that way well i dated this woman who would say she had six cats and she goes i know swatis f at you don't have to spell fat the cat doesn't know and even if it did you know i mean if i could spell oh man relaxing isn't it yes david um we're going to wrap it up yes yes time to go well this guy i you're real cool at first i was nervous oh thank you know but i and i i'm not just saying this but i didn't know you did the triumph writing some of the best writing yes it is some of the uh yeah and i i i didn't felt i know i used to see triumph on obviously conan did he do always that laughing like like he's cracking up before he even does a triumph like it's not a put on that's because a lot of times he hasn't read it until he's about to say it really though that's not a put on oh i don't know his part of his persona not at all i've seen it because i love it i real quick just say one of the happiest moments of my life and this is right after getting fired from snl so i'm in a very vulnerable state and i'm it's my first day on set with triumph where i actually see the dog and i'm gonna guess you felt so good that you crack robert smigel up well it's not well yes but the joke it's the way that like i'm watching him like a hawk and he's about he's starting to do the shtick and i see him reading through the paper and he just stops and starts laughing to himself and then collects himself and and then i and i hear it's the first time i'm here in one of my jokes but isn't that his mouth a brilliant happy accident that that it looks like it's something he's deliberately doing for the you know i'm saying like look at the weight scale it's because there's so many writers that he doesn't he may have read it once and forgot about it and then he's reading for the first time and it was my it was a joke we didn't even use it was in the whole uh journalist see now uh now it's a negative for me because i thought it's a brilliant uh tech he came up with can try no he's just unprofessional uh that's um that's great what you guys have done i miss black wolf oh what a great guy what a what an interesting man what wait we may miss him easy we haven't done a show in a while i miss you black you worried me absolutely what happened well all right thank you so much thank you oh what's the name i i ripped up my i ripped up your intro let me plug your this was a lot of fun it's great thank you so much it's like it's like being back in LA yeah but without Steven Allen green i'm gonna see george calphi tomorrow i used to bump into him when i tell him i said hello and billard kowsky i don't know if you know that what's calphi doing you know he's so happy we'll talk afterwards he's so happy to be out of the madness yeah he was a sweet man is he still is hey my sign filled your author fred stoller has a new book it's a kindle single it's all about his young comedian special and his special friends so pick it up on kindle it's called five minutes pick it up on amazon pick it up on amazon pick it up five minutes to kill it's a dollar ninety nine i mean you could blow that kind of money on uber a kid in an imaginary son you know or in the you know so spend the money on thank you so much thank you dave syris how do people follow you on twitter oh you got a dave syris that's like virus sir us and uh or just you know you tube brick stone if you want to just see a bunch of the crap i've done i'll never talked about that that's not a big deal we should talk about that someday thank you guys very fun coming up committee and bruce smirnoff for only five dollars a month you can gain access to all our premium content plus you'll be supporting this important show please go to david feldman show dot com hit the go premium button and sign up we accept all major credit cards if you already are a subscriber and you forgot the password please hit the contact button and tell me you forgot the password and i will send it to you also hit the contact button and let me know what you're thinking i answer all my emails you're listening to the david feldman radio program you said pathetic hump time now for our miami bureau chief let's go to miami where bruce smirnoff is standing by hi david earlier in the show we had fred stohler on the program i love fred and he said you gave him a seinfeld episode of course i want to hear your version of that story well before i tell the story i think fred is one of the few people i gave financial excuse me advice to and i think he followed it i think he's you know because he makes a nice living he's in like a million things and i said put it away put you know a segment of your money away and i think he really got into that so fortunately for him i think he's going to retire very uh famous and very wealthy so that's a good story good now the bad one so in i think i started lifting weights in uh i was really skinny and i think around 89 i started doing heavy duty weightlifting and i i outgrew my suits did he talk anything about it did he say yes yes okay so i had these two nice armani suits that i bought and um and i and i had to give him away because i was now like a 42 long where i used to be a 40 long and i it's very hard to find people our size so i knew fred was tall and skinny i mean he's not wasn't known to be one to dress up but but still i didn't want to give him to good will because they were too good to give away so i called him up i said look i got two suits want to get rid of them i'll give them to you it's that simple and he goes all right fine and i and and i give them to him and they're black suits and they're very nice and he goes what can i do to pay i go i don't want anything i just want to make sure they go to you know you rather than some homeless guy that's going to urinate in the month first 20 minutes and he puts it on so he says he goes how about i buy you a meal i said fine you can buy me a meal so that that that's the deal and i and and um i think like about five days later he calls me and remember i told you last show about watching larry hagman's liver get flown in to sign i because we were at jerry's telling well it was like we used to sit at the same place i used to always like to sit right in the front so he calls me goes on they were they were flying the liver and fresh for jerry's yeah it was in one of those you know lunch buckets where they pour the ice and they had the surgery at all the they had all the media trucks there so i don't believe it was the same time i think that larry hagman's liver was later but so this has got to be like 19 i don't know let's say 91 92 and fred calls me meet me at jerry's though it's 11 o'clock at night i go i know i hang out late so i show up there and he goes i want to buy you your dinner and i go that's very nice of you but i ate already it's 11 o'clock at night i'll tell you what i'll do i'm gonna have a bowl of soup but i don't want this to count as my meal i mean i wanted to give you this stuff for free but you insisted on doing something so you want to buy me a meal this is not a meal this is 11 o'clock at night this is not the hours that you buy somebody dinner so this is like you're throwing this in and that's it you know i mean i didn't care but of the laws the you know whatever the rules of buying somebody dinner this was way out of and it just i just said it it was like a matter of fact thing i think i had mushroom and barley could have mozzarella soup don't remember it was not a big deal and so about three years later he's riding on seinfeld and i get this call from mark schwarz i think his name was and i went to be you with him and he became like a giant casting director and he was the casting director for seinfeld and they want me to read for this part and they go this was created like kind about you which you're at your your adventure with fred stoller and i read the script and you know it's like word for word you know i'm going hey look at me i'm pumped you know because i was showing them how big my my biceps got and i couldn't fit into the suit and the whole and so i am very excited i went and i read and i read with them i read with mark schwarz and larry david it was pretty powerful and i was a little nervous but i mean all i had to do was be me and i was and they did not give me the part they gave it to steve heitner who became banyan on the show and he got like 13 reoccurring episodes so i'm very happy for him because steve steve is very funny heitner and he's been in a lot of movies and he's had he's had himself a great career and you really have to know how to act you know this being to stand up is one thing acting you know it does require something else so i don't have it i don't harbor any bad things i wish i had gotten the role it would have been phenomenal but that was just one of those things but yes that's true story so you actually auditioned to play me and they reject they gave my part to steve heitner because he was a better me than i was and that's yes if you want to look at it that way that's the horror but i try not to because i'm not addicted to any medication or pills and if i think too much about these things it could cause that so you just kind of laugh it off and we go on to the next horse what was the story with carol o'connor oh that's such a long one you want to i forget you know we didn't talk about that one did we boy you must be really excited the way you just eased me and that was like a tom mccann shoehorn and you just you just had that in a back you want that you want that 11 minute juicy story um i mean i could do that i could tell you some other time some other time that's okay so yeah what happened uh how's miami do you miss los angeles no i miss all my friends and uh i go i go back occasionally like i told you i work for don casino productions and an agency that books cruise ships and we're we're very popular and high agency it's very nice working for them because i get treated with a lot of respect uh from all the artists but we do a showcase at the ice house now we've done two years in a row so i get to come back and i gotta tell you left in 2001 and the traffic is even worse than it was in 2000 just when you thought it couldn't get any worse it's horrible even with the subway which i i was not there for i know it opened up from downtown i think to western avenue or vermont where does it go somewhere and then it goes up vermont up to hollywood blvd so i never i haven't seen that because i usually stay in pasadena when we do the thing at the ice house but yeah uh i don't miss la but i miss my friends you miss la you don't live there anymore do i don't live there anymore i find manhattan to be godless it's all so transactional it's hard to have real friends in manhattan but that's not true that's just a phase i'm going through yeah and you live on like the upper east side i lived in new york i went from la to new york for two years i think we talked about this when i went to brooklyn and the thing about all my friends were the comics you know at all the clubs and everything and no one i had this really cool place in the bay ridge brooklyn and i wanted to have like guys over for thanksgiving i couldn't get if i was giving away gold bouillon i couldn't get anybody to come to brooklyn i mean maybe now they go to like uh what is it that area that they built under the bridge you know the where the jews live what williamsburg and all the hipster areas but you couldn't get anybody to come to bay ridge i go please i'm getting a turkey i mean i got great pies and cakes i i can't go to brooklyn i can't i can't go to brooklyn i mean it's a subway ride you know but no so i understand that but yes manhattan i was too old i was um when i moved to new york you got to you got to be full of piss and vinegar to take the subways and schlep with the hot coat when it's cold out and then you get in the subway and you start to sweat all that stuff yeah yeah yeah okay where were we what were you were talking about miami and what's going on in miami nothing there's nothing going on here this is where people come to retire and and then they eventually die you know this is it i mean it's like this is the almost the end and the end there's nothing there's nothing prior to that there's good restaurants there's uh well i mean but again is it's half true because when you say miami i don't live in my i live in delray beach so i'm 38 miles from there when you talk about miami you're talking about south beach yes very exciting it's very spanish it's very cuban oriented you are almost in another country if you're young you like to dance you want to stay out late it's wild it's incredible they they uh i'm reading books now about what miami was like in the 70s miami beach in the 70s and it was a horror show and then when the mario letos were let out of um out of cuba castro emptied his mental institutions and his jails in 1980 uh because he was able to hoodwink jimmy carter into letting them out and they and you're talking about 100 000 or so hardcore mental patients and criminals going into like a 10 block area so it was really uh just a horror zone but then they've cleaned it up and it's become spectacular great great now let me tell let's go back to show business because i mean i don't want you to i don't want to divert anything i have good stories i just a carol o'connor thing i got to like wind myself up without that we'll do we'll do carol o'connor next time right but like i wanted to tell a story about because i imagine i'm getting some emails from people who listen to this on your podcast and they're very uh complimentary and i imagine a lot of them are artists so i wanted to talk about you know some weird things i've seen in my career being as i said a fly on the wall so i was friends with bud robinson who you remember bud he handled doc severance and a lot of famous um uh acts and bud and i were friends and bud freedman i know it's weird to tell a story with two buds but there's bud freedman who owned the improv and his his wife alex and we were all we're all very why don't we say bud freedman and then bud light okay bud freedman and bud light so bud light uh had a great apartment on alt alone in west hollywood and he used to entertain a very fancy place and a lot of famous people living in the building so whatever it was one night bud had us over for dinner and we're sitting at his dining room table this is 1981 and i'm gonna say it's about january of 81 i'm 25 years old so i'm a kid and i'm innocent i i don't know the cd side or the downside or the weird side i started to experience it but this is one of the things i experienced so the doorman comes and says regis wants to come up and we'll go oh regis is coming and they're gonna go who's regis regis philben i go wait me regis philben i remember that name uh it was on local news in la and then i think joey bishop had a show going up against carson and he was the psychic so i go oh i'd love to meet this guy and in walks this very handsome he's only about i did i tell you this story no the door opens up and in walks very handsome man and these people were all bud romson bud light bud freedman the everybody was like 50 years old i'm 25 and in comes regis and he was about 50 years old and he sits down at the table and they introduce me and you know we were talking for about two minutes and then all of a sudden he starts to cry regis and i mean crying to wear very you know sobbing and his body was shaking and he's saying my life is over it's all over i had an audition it didn't come through and and it's all over for me and i've never you know we all think these things but we and we all have sadness but i've never seen a grown-up cry like this and and it was it was it was very sad to see this and and i watched bud and bud freedman try to comfort him and alex too you know doing every hey read you know riding high in april shot down in may you never know why where life is gonna and he was just no this is it and it was just so so impactful to see this and i got to tell you for you show business people living about four months later where he thought this was the end of his world he got that morning show and need i tell you how famous he became and how you know popular he was and i i was there for like a very bad moment of his career but thank god it was just temporary and whenever people say my career is over i'm never going to get an opportunity again i always tell these these stories are very inspirational you know it's inspirational but but he's amazing he might be the greatest broadcaster whoever did it that's right right right and this could have been two hours of his life that were just you know i mean i'm i just happened to be in this man's worst two hours of and i and but but i had never met him before so this is how i meet him at the bottom and then and then look where he is now he you know he was supposed to be down here with don rickles just like a month ago but don you know it passed away but you know still still vibrant still performing still like one of the greatest uh tv personalities of all time yeah still looks great and he got rejected he was given another opportunity and he made it work because he wanted it i mean if you react that way if you're crying in front of friends about being rejected this guy obviously wanted it more than anybody else isn't that a key component of success wanting it that badly that you would break down and cry over losing an audition don't know no i mean the wanting it real badly is one thing i think i think almost everybody who's in the business wants it real badly but it's the execution i mean i always use jerry seinfeld as an example i mean i never hung out with him but the people that i know that hang out with him to talk about his work habits and that they were they were like you know they were incredible where you know no fooling around no kibitzing with people just go home do the writing uh woody allen the same thing these people just sit down and they don't do anything until they get the work done and a lot of people are bs's and i guess i have to say i was one of them where i wanted to be real popular and famous but i don't know if i actually applied myself i have to you know i have to say that then they're then they're people who don't apply themselves i mean rickles didn't apply himself he wasn't sitting working he just went on stage and did it correct correct yeah yeah well he probably had the balls you know where he could insult people like that where that was you know i you can't like i say i can sit and try to break these things down i always try to blame myself and and find out what where was where did i lack and i know i'm not a great writer i'm a good comic and stuff but i would sit down i would say i'm gonna sit for five hours and i'm gonna write jokes and you know within minutes my mind was wandering and i couldn't focus you're a real writer so do you have that problem when you sit can you sit for three four five hours yeah but i'm not writing stand-up stand-up is conversation all my great jokes for stand-up are through conversation then there's the mechanics of writing jokes but that's for other people in tv where it's stand-up has to be authentic you can't force authenticity right onto the page although i i don't know i i there's a process for stand-up well some of these some of these stand-ups they're not authentic they're at all but they're you know they're clever they're observational it's so amazing when you talk about stand-up it encompasses everything you know who who were some when i worked at the improv and i would see uh these people come in it was a guy michael collier remember him mm-hmm and that guy charlie i can't remember his name but he was on saturday night live charles tricer no no black guy he used to these were all right yeah and he died young but these these and then there was another guy these black guys who were street performers these these guys were not writers they were just they were they're trying to street perform to get money i think it's called but but what are they busking sir but but what are they both busking yeah and these guys would come to the improv because they would did something they were on some show something happened where they got they got a lot of attention and the whole industry would come to watch them and you know you knew that room was like full of like a quarter of heavy hitters people that could just okay anything and that's enough to scare anybody out of their shoes but these guys because they were so used to performing on on the streets and nothing nothing through them they would shine and they got everything so yeah so writing their writing ability i don't know what their writing ability was but certainly their fear factor was zero zero right charlie barnett charlie barnett charlie barnett yeah yeah yeah yeah rick of vealist do you remember that uh-huh yeah so so when i started in boston uh in 1975 rick of vealist was in new york but he would come up excuse me and hang out in boston and we would do these gong shows him teddy bergeron does that mean ring a bell i v vii the roman soldiers falling in right teddy's one of the greatest yeah very very sick right now i'll have an update hopefully soon but i stay in touch with him because i started with teddy this is 1975 when there was nobody doing comedy but rick of vealist would come up from new york and he was another one of these the first time i met rick it was on a subway in boston and i didn't know him and i just heard somebody he used to do red fox wolfman jack and he would just walk up and down the street cars and you know get money from people because he would just so spot on and very smiley so he didn't he didn't scare people at all and then he showed up on the comedy scene and and uh and he he lit up the room he was just great again no no writing ability but just an amazing presence and a great mimic well red fox and wolfman jack are the same voice yeah yeah yeah yeah he did have a very raspy word but he was just super i mean he would we would there was no place to perform in 1976 77 the the comedy connection didn't really start until late 70s maybe 78 i can't remember i think like 78 so we would just go to coffee houses and we would go to these things called gong shows they were very popular and they would be held at this restaurant chain around boston called ground round the ground round and what they would do is they'd have a house band and the house band would give you the symbol so you'd put the symbol to like three drunken people in the audience and they would be the they would be the judges and they would um and they would you know they had this drumstick where they would hit the gong if they didn't like you and it would be me teddy rick of vealus and then various people singing and all this stuff and and i used to get gonged i would say hi i'm bruce smirnoff bang gone you sometimes would have to you know take buses to get to these gong shows who take so long and i'd get gonged within just saying my name so i never went but teddy and rick of vealus were superstars he used to rotate of who would win one or the other would always win when are you going on your next cruise ship did i lose you are you there oh i'm sorry i turned my my speaker down did you you heard all that yes of course when when is your next cruise i don't go out till october okay good so we should do this once a week okay i'm getting very positive feedback wonderful your stories are great and it cheers me up good tell me off the air are we off the air no no no tell me one more story and then we'll wrap it up okay so i wanted to just show you the ups and downs of life because show business has obviously a lot a lot of downs that we don't see but we when we see the ups it's sensational but i i'm working in atlantic city nine i believe it's 1991 and i'm in this i'm in a review show called swing swing swing which is singers and dancers i come out in the middle and i do 10 minutes while the dancers are resting backstage that's a funny story that's what but that's another day but the reason i want to tell the story is at night i would leave my show and i'd go over to one of the hotels and there was a singer named sonny avarona and he was like a man in his uh mid fifties and he was like a crooner and a jazz guy like a very very very influenced by sinatra and i would go and watch his show and i introduced myself to him because i was in this review show for like six weeks so i would go there every night and i became friendly with him and he was a man who had like a motor automotive business in philadelphia transmission something like so he had a successful life as this man in the automotive business but this was his passion in life and he would say oh koo koo kray whatever and it was really cool and he had a following from philadelphia and these people would come and then sometimes he would ask me to get up and do five minutes so i would get up and tell jokes and i felt really cool because it was that you know it was a real uh it was a mafia crowd basically is what i'm trying to say it was like a real gangster it was really cool and so right near the end of my gig was in may and he goes hey kid come over here i said what he goes you're not going to believe this but i i didn't want to tell anybody until tonight and he and he goes um the new york times has been following me for a few weeks and they're writing a front page article about me going from the automotive business to now having my own room in atlantic city i went congratulate front page new york times sunday section of the cal you know whatever it's called the arts and leisure i said that's phanta and i congratulate him and then i left on that sunday and he died that night so the article came out the the next day and he died i mean he was dead before the article came out isn't that weird what what did he die of like a heart attack you can look it up sunny avarona a v a r o n a and you'll you'll read him his bio his his obituary i think you can still find the article but yeah i mean you talk about you're going to be on the front page of the arts and entertainment arts what is it called sunday style yeah whatever arts and entertainment of the new york times and you died the night before and it was just natural cause he just you know he was he you know whatever he must have smoked whatever it was and i just always remember that you know he got he got the break and he wasn't around to reap the benefits of it so there's your ironing yeah do you ever feel you get what you want uh i don't know what do you mean by that where you get to a place in your career that you probably wanted to die not to no no not that no but i'm talking about instead of regretting what could have been do you ever say actually this isn't so bad it was kismet i was i was supposed to yeah i mean i say that all the time but i don't believe it no i mean you know i mean i deal with where i'm at and believe me i live a great life it's enviable i understand that but to me it was you know like um avi was at this thing last night i guess melbroke's carl riner dick van dyke they were giving some some lecture in la and avi put a little bit of a clip of it up on on facebook today i mean i i know this sounds weird sitting in my underwear here in delray beach florida but i mean i i wanted to be one of those people i thought i you know i really thought i was cut in the cloth because you know you just all comics feel that way what did you think when you moved to los angeles what did you think was gonna happen well i i thought i was gonna get a a sitcom like everybody else that was 1978 when i moved i really have a great look i'm still funny i have a funny you know look um but i never put in the time and i don't know how to act did you play it out i mean did you play it out did you say all right i'm gonna get a sitcom and from the sitcom i didn't have to when i came out there i got all this stuff thrown at me immediately because of my look so you know mitzi i you know discovered me having coffee with the michael walters next to the comedy store and i hadn't even tried to get on at the comedy store she wanted me on stage and i an agent got with me immediately and sent me out for tv shows and then i got that archie bunker show thing i got all this stuff but it all it all imploded because i had no ability i mean i had the look but i wasn't developed so you had the look you that's interesting so you had the look you come out to la and they immediately start immediately because you're the new face it's a good face and uh but then how long had you been doing stand-up when you came to well technically since 1975 but in boston you had no place to go on and like i said sometimes i would i would go on stage and i would be booed off or gonged off within moments so you were a baby you moved to la as a baby 22 on my 22nd birthday yeah 20 you're 22 and 22 and i'm getting these parts and auditions and they're actually giving me the parts but then i don't know what i'm doing so i'm you know that that comes the archie bunker thing and i'm i'm i'm failing miserably and then once you fail then you get labeled so i'd say by 24 i was labeled whatever you know done not good can't act can't isn't funny blah blah blah good look but that's it so then i stayed in la and i was able to cobble together a real live act and then went on the road i did everything ass backwards and then when i got really good i almost had a second you know with that one man show that we talked about one of your episodes so i almost was able to turn it on its tail but i was not able to so uh yeah if you there was a definite detriment to going to los angeles before you're ready too much too soon way way too much too soon yep yep and then when you get pronounced done as you know you're done you know you're cooked is that is that really true or is it or is it psychological well it didn't stop me from trying to develop but it shut all the doors i couldn't you know i couldn't get agents i went to all these fancy uh acting classes and um you know i tried to i tried to turn everything around but again i i couldn't what was the happiest moment during that period i would say i guess it was when i was able to take all the failures of of my career in los angeles and then turn it into the one man show and then have a patch theater you know granted it was a 55 seat theater but every night you know every night i performed the show it was standing room only some nights i had to put people you know on the stage we had to put chairs on there and killing just killing and i'd have celebrities coming uh to the show and uh it would be so exciting to have people come up to me go you know i used to see you hang out at the improv i mean you seem like a nice guy but i never took you seriously i never watched you perform but you know now i think you're terrific and that was that was very nice one time i get this guy come up to me i had um you remember uh danny robinson that's bud's son danny robinson came to see my show he's with a pa and all these people came to see me this one particular night after the la times article and they come out after the end of the show and they're they're shaking my hand and going this was really good and all of a sudden this man about 60 years old he pushes them all aside a man who like had authority i didn't know who he was but he just bled authority from his pours and he pushed danny robinson away bernie young was there uh rosy o donnell's a guy and pushed him off to the side he goes i'm cy susman i'm with william maris are you represented by anybody cy susman did you know cy susman no i love the name though he had the name yeah i'm cy susman did you have a toupee please tell me how to toupee nobody had thinning hair he goes i'm cy susman i'm with william maris who represents the show and i just uh i kind of angled my way away from danny and away from bernie and i just went uh nobody he goes just jeff which is know about this show i went i i really don't know i've been calling his okay i know jeff i'm having i am calling tomorrow we are going to handle you across the board i want this show i want you as an actor and i want you as a stand-up and then if he had said i also want to go to the palm right now and have a 12 pound lobster i would have said absolutely let's get in the car so that was one of the highest highs because just the whole that whole moment and then i go home and of course i couldn't sleep but he told me to call jeff which is you know in the morning i waited i waited till like 10 30 so the the guy would have his morning coffee and i call william maris jeff which is please bruce smirnoff sorry jeff which is office i go hi uh it's bruce smirnoff size sussman told me to call jeff which size sussman and she goes one moment please and two seconds it goes by hey bruce it's jeff hi jeff i go listen i am totally uh clued in on your show i have it written down send someone from the office to come down and see it but i gotta tell you one thing size sussman is our projectionist i go absolutely he projects all the projects that come to william morris he goes no no you don't understand size sussman how do we project her i'm screwed i'm screwed i came i walked up on my sister's wall i said oh my god oh i oh that's oh that was a bad day oh it's not a bad day oh my god and he oh is that funny size sussman size sussman and the happiest moment while you were in the thick of it in your early 20s i'd have to say when the la times article uh came out you know because i knew it was coming out thursday calendar sunday calendar is the biggest size sussman uh thursday calendar is uh is also very big so i i waited until what is that called the bulldog is that the first the first it comes out about two thirty three o'clock in the morning this is back in 1990 uh right the bulldog dish and i guess reading that are i don't know there were a lot once that once things were going well with the show i had a lot of meetings at networks well but that's that was the review of your show it was an article about my show i'm talking about no i'm talking about the thick of the 22 year old bruce murnoff coming to la well that's the archie bonker story you know i mean i'm asking for the happiest moment well the happiest moment is when i got the part you know i mean highs are always accompanied by lows in many in my career so that's we'll talk about that next week okay can you imagine being a child actor you were 22 23 when things go really wrong in hollywood and they always do and you look into the abyss and you have to summon up the courage to go on right i mean it if you come to hollywood anybody who comes to hollywood does not leave unscathed because you're chasing something you need something you want but it just isn't right for the most part right yeah yeah yeah i mean but the only thing i can say is that i listened to i guess throughout my life i listened to people like you and i discussing so when you listen rationally to people talk like this you know there has to be lows before there's highs and then when there's highs there has to be lows it's just a cycle of life and some of the acting classes i was in they always warn you i mean this is this is i think what did get me through the carol o'connor thing was that they always said stuff happens and you can't you can't uh let it get to you so uh that's how i was able to write the one man show is that i just absorbed all these horrible stories it happened to me i just figured that they happened to everybody so i would tell them on the road you know 1987 i would tell them to a comic in the middle of phoenix arizona in a dunk and donuts and they would go no this never happened to me none of these things that you're talking about and then i realized maybe i had something special but yeah i just assumed that everybody went through that childhood stars a lot of them when they hit a certain look at look at spanky and all the little rascals the kids that we grew up watching as little you know we just thought they were eternal stars but when these people hit 1314 they were done they're done luckily the the only good thing about being a child actor is is your body changes and you're unrecognizable so your fame disappears and you can get on with your life supposedly if you can accept except for jackie cooper he was he survived at all right i guess a few more but he he was able to uh he as his body changed he was fine right right how about being 40 and famous everybody knows who you are and you're doing something that sucks and everybody's seeing it and you know it sucks and you know that you walk into a room and everybody knows that you're on something on some show that sucks that it's about to be canceled yeah that's got to be really hard i can't put myself in that position so i'll have to go along with you on that don't you think that's very isolating don't you think it makes you very hard on the inside i guess when you're getting out of your Mercedes you know and going into the palm maybe you know maybe uh you're twitching but you're still getting out of your Mercedes and going into the palm you know i mean i i don't know i mean how many good things on t first of all it's subjective anyway but how many things that uh you're very critical i'm very critical how many shows do you watch on tv i watch none i watch fargo you know that's it i think i fargo in the narcos those are the only two things i watch on tv i think it's better now i think it's better now it's phenomenal now it's fantastic it's unbelievable i'm talking about mental health for famous people i think that if you're an actor and you're on a show that sucks and nobody's watching it it's less of a humiliation because if nobody's watching it nobody knows about it because they give me an example give me a show that you you thought sucked i would say if you were i don't want to name names i'm not ilia kazan the point i'm making is in the 70s and the 80s up until about 2005 you could be famous and you'd get on a big network show and you would fail publicly now even tim allen his show just got canceled last man standing on abc did you know it was on no no i didn't know it was i didn't know it was on until i heard it was canceled i think that's a healthier way for actors to become famous because you know there was a time when we knew who the stars were now you're less likely to be humiliated from your failure i don't know if i could handle i don't think i'm capable i don't think i have the constitution to suddenly become famous have it taken away from me which always happens and then have to fight for it back and then have it taken away from me and fight for it back these movie stars that's it's schizoid it's manic depression one year you're you have a hit movie the next year it's a flop and you i don't know how they do it well they if they're if they're smart you take your money and you don't pee it away and you invest it and there's other things in life i mean there's there's people you watch a movie that you really like and you go wonder whatever happened to that actor and of course we google it and you see the guy you know you watch you can look at his whole resume and then you see he fell out around whatever 1999 but then you see bottom winery or he you know guys racing cars and these people have great life they have good investments and they live a good life randolph scott what he had a good life yeah afterwards yeah don't put your kids into show business never absolutely it's so bad so i see it down here you see it on facebook people dress their kids up and they they encourage them to do and i just go boy what what are they what are they doing they have no idea what the what they're getting their kid involved with especially if the kid gets any kind of modicum of success then you've really you've really uh uh set off the kid a woman and her husband called me yeah about two years ago and they had at the time a 12 year old son who was acting and funny and saying they wanted me to help and i knew i wasn't gonna do it but i took the call and i listened for 20 minutes and we really think he's gonna make it and we want to move now because he's 12 and he's still cute and i listened and i said i'm not interested but i'll give you some advice i'll give you some really good advice and think oh yeah yeah what is it i said get a job yep you get the job let him be a kid but but he's so temper but go get a job you know it's their pimps is what they are their pimps yeah yeah i mean well they're living their they're living vicariously through the child and um they i don't think they they understand what what can happen period their their their pimps bruce mernoff is our miami bureau chief we'll check in with you next week thank you very much david j Elvis Weinstein Weinstein or Weinstein Weinstein Weinstein but i answered it both frankly you're not one of those people who say yeah who correct i'm not a corrector now nobody wins nobody really wins that situation albert einstein i guess i i guess albert einstein sounds better than albert einstein i did in fact when i changed my when i added the Elvis when i joined the writer's guild i considered j einstein Weinstein as as a pronunciation guide well there's a josh Weinstein i don't know what she is but i've actually had lunch with him and i've met him a few times from the simpsons yes he's the reason i'm j albert he beat me by like months into the guild really okay yeah i worked with his brother oh really uh Jacob Jacob Weinstein or steen he he's a corrector yeah it's just yeah it's not cool it's not cool i gotta say he really is and it's it's like caroline ray is another person yeah who corrects you i guess i guess melbrook solved that with young frankenstein frankenstein that whole thing you know well once you see that i thought you have to stop correcting so j Elvis Weinstein i got it right right he nailed it how'd you pick Elvis um it was i well i picked an e because it made my initial spell jew oh i didn't know that yeah uh and it was Elvis Costello which i was pretty infatuated with at like 22 which is what i did so okay you're a minnesota jew i am a minnesota jew you're an al franken thomas freedman from the new york times uh yeah same summer same this park yeah they're a special type of jew and the cone brothers too that's right that's right they're a special type of jew all of whom are great except my rabbi i had a rabbi from that area who turned out to be okay anyway jail this was what i had some rabbis from that area i i didn't approve them fully myself and that's the great thing about being jewish you don't get molested by your rabbi because you're allowed to tell a rabbi to go f himself that's right there's no it's built in it's not easy to be a jew it isn't but built into the system is the guy who has a direct contact to god is full of crap and and you're taught that at an early age he's just a teacher and don't right don't be infatuated with him and you have every right to argue with him anyway we're difficult people perhaps even an obligation uh my god yes well i don't want to do the talk about being jewish because i bet you've covered that on the show we yeah and it's interesting i for years i never talked about it my father always said your last name is feldman you don't need to talk about being jewish the audience doesn't care and the jews don't want to be identified with you so just and so my stand-up act i don't talk about being jewish but on the podcast it's the you know it's just it comes up it's a flow it's part of being it's part of the flow of being a jew yes you talk about being a jew at times well let me introduce you j Elvis Weinstein is the director of i want i want to kill i need you to kill i need you to kill i need you to kill it's more emphatic yes i need you to kill it's a documentary about comedy in asia yes and which will be coming out via the company comedy dynamics very soon that's exciting it is yes i need you to kill he was a writer producer on freaks and geeks he appears on my good friend mark Thompson's podcast the edge that's right you also appeared on mystery science theater you dropped out of college to go work on mystery science theater i did i was one of the original guys on that the original gumball machine guy with frank conif and here's how i learned that you broke your mother's heart that you dropped out of the university to minnesota to go work on mystery science theater here's how i found out there's a new podcast that everybody will love it's a part of the show briz family it's produced by show briz studios thought spiral it is hosted by j elvis weinstein andy kindler and andy kindler more importantly i was gonna say and andy kindler but i figured i'd go andy kindler if he was like a 60s talk show uh sidekick that's how they'd introduce it it's great it's a great thank you thought spiral i listened to both test episodes there are two test episodes available on itunes thought spiral by the way the running gag is going to be they're all test episodes but that's the title of every show i compare it i don't smoke dope but to me it's like being high and listening to two friends talk where i'm so stoned i can't move my lips i'm just gonna listen to my two buddies make nonsense that's pretty good i guess that's pretty good for the first two episodes you know i'd like i'd like it to get a little more formed but not much because it's andy it's andy kindler who i call a bumblebee i think that's pretty that's a pretty good image because a bumblebee they can't explain how a bumblebee flies they actually asked exactly and i don't understand how andy kindler is is i mean i love him no i've actually described him his uh his show his act as greater than the sum of its parts the andy should not fly not only does he do references that only i get sure well at least that's the trick he's like mary tyler more you know every guy thought they were the only one who thought mary tyler more was sexy well that's that was the trick to mystery science theater too is everyone thought that that reference how only us me and that robot puppet know that reference right and mary tyler more took place in in minneapolis also yes full circle there you go but andy takes it a further step by biting every hand that can feed him like wrinkles and if he's feeding himself he'll bite his own hand how did you meet andy kindler you know we honestly we can't remember but we have so many common friends it's you know it's 20 plus years ago now that that had happened mm-hmm so i think it was probably at maybe chris bliss's house or just one of our common friends houses i think and is andy a social animal andy is not i don't his nature isn't to be a social animal he's i think he's a hermit who when he forced into a social situation becomes a social animal and how do you force him into a social situation um you schedule a set for him it's kind of like me yeah i think it's like most comics i don't i don't think most comics are social animals for the most part why is that um well because i think we always feel like the other person isn't going to be interesting enough for us oh was that too honest uh i oh well because it's either i'm not going to be interesting enough for them or they won't be interesting enough for me but that's kind of interesting that you would lead off with that i i'm always like reluctant to go to parties yeah well i have i have big social anxiety myself me too and cocktail parties are are the absolute worst situation for me because it's all small talk and you never get to a real conversation and something about that like makes my nervous system go into overdrive are there any parties where you're relaxed if it's a part if it's a small part like dinner parties are great if it's a table full of people i basically know already then i'm very happy you know but if it's if it's a room full of strangers i would much rather be in front of them with a mic than among them with a drink do you mind if i repeat a story that you haven't heard but my listeners have sure okay before Passover especially if it goes that direction instead of the other one okay before Passover i was hanging out with Gilbert Godfrey right uh and he was and by the way this story goes nowhere it's just insight into who i am so Gilbert and i are sitting there with his amazing wife they were talking about trying to get john davidson on the show do you remember john davidson the singer good-looking guy son of a preacher man actually was the son of a preacher man and Gilbert i remember mostly from god that's incredible and from his daytime talk show right very pure and innocent yes so Gilbert was saying he was having trouble booking john davidson for Gilbert's amazing podcast i said why don't you call him up and say i'll only ask you about the beverly hills supper club you're too young to laugh at that of course i'm i'm sorry and let me assure you let me assure you that what i said was absolutely horrid it was horrible terrible disgusting evil and Gilbert loses it he loses it and he's like i and you know for me to you know have Gilbert losing it over something i said there you go and his beautiful wife didn't get it because she's innocent and beautiful and young and we explained it to her and then of course she loses it and Gilbert loses it and Gilbert goes off to a satyr i don't want to he has a magical show business satyr okay so i have to go to my satyr and i'm driving with my sister and some other people i said i have to go to a satyr now and behave and i can't talk about the beverly hills supper club fire with anybody and Gilbert gets to sit with 20 people and do beverly hills supper club references and i just have to smile and answer questions and that's what happened i had to go for you know the jewish inquisition right what are you doing a giant letdown how's your marriage why'd you get a divorce that kind of thing so are we only comfortable around Gilbert godfreed i think it's other comics i think no specifically Gilbert godfreed though well you know i don't if i hear that Gilbert's now comfortable with himself which is a whole different dynamic i remember meeting Gilbert godfreed i just started hanging out with Gilbert seriously and i would just gravitate to him whenever there was a party like fugl saying we have a party or something at the fryer's club he didn't really know me and i would just glom on to him i think that's smart yeah smart moves so social anxiety yeah i heard a rumor that you live next door to andy not next door but with like a few blocks and he comes by in the middle of the afternoon to borrow a cup of obscure references right absolutely so do you hang with him well as much as he'll hang you know it's uh it's not it's it's now i hang with him once a week which is part of my devious plot but since he moved in like a couple years ago and we only saw each other slightly more than when he lived across town but i also started going we really need to do something together we live too close to not yeah his temper this is one of the things people don't realize the police are always coming out to his house right absolutely for he's reporting himself domestic self-abuse and he's always fighting with the neighbors the tree is too big the figs are falling into my backyard it's clogging my gutters right isn't he yeah i think he would probably blame his gutters first and then and then probably rebel against that you know so where do you see thought spiral going do you see live shows do you see getting more political what we're kind of veering away from the political right now just because it's we're a it's too much choir preaching and there's just there's better people doing that right now who who established a format to their show and things like that and is very political and he's very political and so am i but if it's it's just wait it's an off ramp from fun a lot of the time so for now where it's it's more just uh i can't it's you know how like when you've you've had him as a guest many times i'm sure and i know you had him recently so and the trick when you're having as a guest which i've done on my other show too is you let him go so the trick on this show for me is to run alongside him and not let him go you know and try you know and try to keep up and try to you know go oh we got a there's a cliff coming up let's go right um but otherwise you know it's pure andy uh huh and what have you discovered about doing your own podcast that you didn't know before for example how hard was the license to get the test was was pretty tough right the podcasting license it was really yeah it was hard it was hard but i studied i studied and studied see i'm i'm in yes and i'm always yes and it's yes andy is what it's we should have called it yeah i would say jews are not good at improv because of the yes and exactly no if there were if it were no but we'd be okay no you're wrong you're wrong why don't you and andy try to do that as an episode the no but improv where you just deny every premise and what can we look forward to on thought spiral uh every monday we'll be coming out we've got a new one coming out monday test show number three and um and i think you know you can look forward to us uh just getting better you know i can't really promise anything other than you know we've got 60 plus years of showbiz under our belt in this show so we're gonna want to steer towards better i don't know if you need to be better i think well that's very nice i think it's authenticity truth and honesty and it's already there well thank you that's uh that's what i want mostly but uh you know i also want less of uh what would i what was i just saying you know that's not a great moment i think when people listen to podcasts they just want a human being they want an interesting human being who is just giving them the the truth i have a theory about certain types of podcasts and why i think your podcast is going to be great you want to know why i definitely do okay most people are isolated including me most people are desperately alone like me most people are starving for human contact intellectual stimulation and friends we're a very lonely people the americans we're very lonely when you listen to two close friends talking it's reminiscent of our childhood it's reminiscent of our older brother talking to his cool friend and you know i'll keep my mouth shut let me just come into your room i won't say anything all right and that's what a podcast is that's what your podcast is it's the two cool older brothers who are letting you in to the bedroom so you can just hear them talk about stuff and wow we will never get a nicer description than that thank you really yeah i love that and that's all a podcast has to be i kind of agree yeah it's a vibe i don't i'm being serious i don't have that so i have to work a lot harder i'm serious i i'm not cool and i'm not endearing you guys just have this cool banter your friends it's a great car it's a great car ride that's what people are looking for in a podcast it's also a medium in and of itself it it when i started i was thinking okay well this is an extension my radio show no it's different it's it is it's personal and it is what it is right it's a podcast don't try to make it anything other than what it is i'm not giving you advice by the way i'm just giving my like no i'll take it as advice but i i also will take it as affirmation that i kind of agree i don't i don't believe that a podcast is just a radio show with different distribution i think it's a different animal uh-huh and again i i'm not trying i there's i'm haunted by my appearance on mark maren i was i think his third guest yeah i was very condescending to him because i had been doing a podcast for maybe three months longer than he was so i was just giving him advice so and then of course i sound ridiculous because i'm eating his dust i remember when i was doing stand-up as a i started when i was a teenager and there was a go on the road with these guys who were just the most grizzled old veterans and you you go well how long have you been doing and they'd be like four years right right it at the beginning i'm still locked into that when i see will durst or bobby slayton right but when i was starting at they had been doing it maybe four years longer than i had they they were they were seniors and i was durst was one of my early grizzled veterans yeah and now we're peers it changes right i'll tell you the advice that i'm giving myself okay so i don't want to sound ridiculous because a man in my position cannot afford to sound ridiculous jack waltz godfather my advice to myself is what i told my son and my daughters at their bar and bart whatever their myths is right stay exactly the way you are right now you're perfect oh thank you don't change well there's it's kindler how much can change really i make mistakes on this show when i when i change when i forget what the show is or i get ahead of my skis as they say right just be yourself don't change i will take that advice to heart alex brazil who is your producer you're with show briz studios right sure we have this we have the saying back to zero we always go it's time to reset back to zero what got us here and that's so remember your first couple of episodes because you're gonna stray from that and it may be a mistake i'm not giving advice i don't want to sound patronizing yeah i honestly don't i can't see a straying too far from what it is because i can't ever see any infrastructure developing it's always going to be andy coming over at nine o'clock monday night and i'm sitting down and him leaving a little after ten that's heaven that's why i listened but the the thought of being you know i'm in new york i miss la and the thought of hearing you two talk it's it's you know i wish it were in smell of vision so i could get the pheromones the comedy pheromones that are are you married i am my life goes to bed when andy comes over by the way andy has almost as annoying a laugh as i do almost as annoying he has well he has he has his his his uh showy laugh and his silent laugh yeah he's got that staccato uh teletype laugh that i love that i kind of have and it's just saying i think that's funny i think that's funny i think that's funny i think that's funny hey yeah so in if you're in a relationship my advice is and this is this is i'll give you advice from a from a failed marriage yeah i was about i was when you said i'm gonna give you advice i was thinking the last time i saw you in person when you were in town for your your divorce proceedings the best way to maintain a relationship is remember what got you into that relationship working for greg canir is that how you met yeah she was uh i was a writer on his uh talk show and she was his assistant talk soup uh well i worked on talk soup but this was later on nbc i love talk soup oh his late night show after conan right yeah i was the head writer in the second year but i was a staff writer the first year yeah you know he's somebody you should never underestimate you underestimate greg canir at your own peril that guy i when he was in sabrina by the way he was great in the remake of sabrina and i remember thinking all right come on really greg canir is going to be an actor he's a great actor yeah but he grew into it i was working for him when he did sabrina and you know i knew all those moves that he used in that movie but he since grew into being a genuinely great actor and autofocus yeah how great a movie that's bob crane one right have have you seen that i did yeah do you remember autofocus yeah it was sort of like the banality of sexuality it's one of the great movie it is the one of the great hollywood movies what's the ben afleck movie about george reeves superman i don't know that a great double feature is yeah similar stories yeah kind of dark dark same darkness different eras i think i think he was so overlooked for autofocus if you want a great depressing movie rent autofocus it's the story of bob crane from hogan's heroes who was an innocent and became very successful got caught up in the world of early porn a video pioneer a video pioneer thought spiral every monday on itunes j elvis wine stein thank you so much for joining us thank you it was fun right now this now we're doing the post what we do on my show is a wrap-up after the interview where i'll tell you what you did right and what you did wrong okay good i'm kidding we don't i'm here i'm still in yes and oh okay okay stay on the line we're going to stop it stay on 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