Today, I'm announcing a major step we're taking to reduce one of the biggest obstacles you face, the so-called equivalency determinations. Under current U.S. tax rules, every time you give a grant to a foreign civil society organization, you have to prove that the organization would qualify as a tax exempt one if it operated in our own country. And that process, as I don't need to tell you, can cost as much as $10,000 in legal fees. And each foundation must go through this process on your own, even if the grantee has already been qualified by another foundation. That's just redundant, and it serves no real purpose. And although it's not specifically addressed in the new rules, this change will clear the way for foundations to set up organizations that can serve as repositories of this determination, meaning this would only need to be done one time. That moment in 2012 was pivotal. Hillary Clinton was de facto blessing the operation of an equivalency determination repository, which was something that had really been in the works for years. And by that, I mean active advocacy, collaboration, investment, all toward that goal. So it was a remarkable moment. But it's a story better told by the people who were there and who made it happen. NGO Source is a repository for equivalency determinations, which are a kind of legal opinion on whether a foreign organization to the U.S. and NGO meets the requirements of a U.S. 501C3 public benefit organization. When I first heard about the NGO repository project, it was actually from Daniel Benharen, the founder of TechSoup. He had had a conversation with Gavin Claybaugh, the program officer at the Charles Stewart Mock Foundation. And Gavin had told him about this interesting RFP that he thought being familiar with our work might be something that we should respond to or consider responding to. We had just started the global network and we had a mission, which was to provide software products and hardware to organizations through a network of cooperating partners. And the energy level in the room was incredible from the beginning. And I think it was a perception that we could do more than that, you know, that we had capacity and geographic reach that was remarkable. And then this RFP just appeared. And we said, we can do that. So I've been at the Ford Foundation 24 years and I think it was about 15 to 20 years ago that we first heard the idea about a shared repository. I guess one initial thought was, how come no one thought of this earlier? Skepticism, I'd say. I'd seen a lot of, you know, these kinds of gatherings of professionals in the sector. We'd talk about it, we'd nash our teeth, we'd, you know, dream about possibilities. But, you know, then they wouldn't necessarily go anywhere. And this one, it was the right combination of players and people, enough of us who had had enough with the status quo. Why don't we really think about how we can really change this for the better and make something that allows us all to rely on somebody else's determination? The vision was really, really clear. Honestly, when I first heard the concept, I was like, well, of course we should do this. Like, you know, why wouldn't we try to do this? One thing people don't realize about the early days of NGO source is that we were building something we weren't actually sure we'd be able to launch. So we had to go in and have many meetings with Treasury, the IRS, the State Department to tell them that this is a safe and sound service. It is, there's demand for it from all of these foundations who are part of the council, the governing council of it. But it wasn't, we weren't sure. The biggest challenge of the project, which was four years in the making, was the regulatory approval. Because if you don't have regulatory approval, you can't really have a repository. You could have a service, but you wouldn't be able to have something with a reusable asset that everyone could leverage. Go talk to the state and make the case of why this is going to help with soft diplomacy, with helping to increase funding from private funders to civil society organizations outside the U.S. We made a number of arguments to talk about why this was important, you know, why we believed the, you know, guidance was necessary, and ultimately it was successful. And that was the game changer when that guidance came out and we knew we could rely on it. And I remember just sitting in that breakout session and thinking, if this really comes to fruition, if this gets approved, this is going to be a game changer for international grant making. The key advocates for NGO Source came from within the grants administration departments of many of our largest international grant makers and foundations. They were absolutely 100% critical in securing the investment within their organizations to really allow NGO Source to launch. And it was not a small investment. It was seven figures. I think from my point of view, it's a really interesting collaboration also internally at our foundation because it brought together the technology piece from a different fraction officer, like how would you actually set up the website, get a database. So I think that was really unique for me is that it was people with all these different disciplines coming together. And then it was not only that, but doing it across different funders and NGOs that support the field. One of the things that was wonderful in the early days right after the launch was having such an active advisory council that was such a big asset to us in the early days and getting it off the ground. There was a shared problem that everybody wanted to solve. And that really drove the continuation of this collaboration to NGO Source. I think that that's been one of the things that differentiates NGO Source from the alternatives for doing equivalency determinations is right from the start. We were working with our partner organizations who were able to support NGOs in time zone and in language. The fact that you have partners that work in country and can help with translation and that you have FAQs that give a lot of information to explain things to clients, to donors. We thought about what it would mean in those early days if NGO Source really was successful. What would it mean to scale? And the vision I always had was this would be a place that NGOs would want to be in this database because it would be a reliable place for grand tours to actually come in and almost check and see had there been some kind of vetting process done on legitimacy of an organization. That was the magic. That's what we were all hoping we'd get to is that organizations outside of the U.S. would start to see those efficiencies by not having to do this multiple times. And what has been really incredible to see is that more and more when we reach out and tell grantee organizations or prospective grantee organizations that we want to do this, they already know what it is and they know the benefits of it. Any kind of challenges that would ever come up or like a special request for assistance, the NGO Source team was always very accommodating and very proactive, which is just in this day and age where we're so used to not being able to get in touch with a human being with any kind of service provider. It's just it's been a pleasure having a partner. We appreciate the service delivery and sort of the very special customized approach. Once you build trust with the organization and then you are at a point where like, you know what? I'll ask my colleagues in the U.S. so obviously there's the time difference, but in the evening I'm sure we will receive feedback. And then you receive that feedback over the years NGO Source has always had all these brilliant colleagues that at all times they're always on hand to support us. The expertise on being really up to date with all of the changes in nonprofit tax law across so many different countries and knowing really the ins and outs and I think for our foundation it allows us to sort of free up our resources for really focusing on the legal and technical compliance related aspects for each grant. In the 25 years I've been working in philanthropy, there are a lot of things I'm really proud of and the work that I've done, but helping to get NGO Source conceived and off the ground is really at the top of the list for me. I was looking at our stats on our beautiful NGO Source dashboard and our map that shows the EDs really does touch almost every corner of the world. We're almost at 500, so 63 different countries. We've been able to facilitate ED grant making through NGO Source, so thank you. You sleep very peacefully to know that I've made so much impact, you know, to some organizations out there. I'm so excited about the future of NGO Source. It's been successful and it's great to look back on the 10 years since the launch and see just kind of remember how inspiring it all was and now, you know, compare that to the results. Ultimately, NGO Source was the product of so many critical people and organizations that it's just impossible to do them all justice here and the collaboration continues which is what I'm so excited about. From our global partners and NGOs to our members, supporters of thought partners, they're all what brought us here. And together, we have a future full of possibility. In fact, we're only just getting started. NGO Source team, are you ready for the next 10 years?


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Hi everybody, Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com coming at you with jaspys 12 box big rookie hunting a basketball mixer It's a random team break. We got the Nick cam right over here. We are properly social distance here It's an arm length and there's another arm length the way and you can see the camera pointing right to the boxes of the break And so he's gonna help pack stack right there wheel the cart over meat contactless delivery of the cards It's gonna be great a lot of excellent boxes here ladies and gentlemen And just like the title says a chance to hunt for some big rookies Zion Ja Luka Trey Tatum Shea Kawaii ad clay Kobe white RJ Rui Many more all car all card ship Look at that all card ship as well. There you go If people don't care about all cards shipping or not All right, big. Thanks everybody right here who bought into the spot straight up really appreciate it Ben with that last bot mojo star next to his name and thanks to the thanks to the people who joined those Cellopak breaks those optic cellopak breaks to win spots. So congrats to you All 30 teams are in Let's roll it. Let's randomize it a full 12 times six and a six and 12th and final time After 12 times we've got Derek E Down to Joe a 12 times for the teams 10 11 and 12th and final time After 12 times we've got the Orlando magic Down to my Lakers Ladies and gentlemen, I hope everyone's staying clean and safe out there. We originally thought that with the with the pandemic That it was gonna hurt basketball sales, but Prices for like prices for these boxes alone have been steadily increasing And even like the top rookies those like Zion prices have still been increasing people have been giving us feedback saying You know, we can't put stuff on eBay fast enough, especially for the big bigger names and even the intermediate names, too So I guess I guess it's working a lot of people at home looking to spend on something Big thanks to all of these folks here Derek with the magic Marissa with the Hornets William with the Sixers Matthew with the Sons Ben with the Bucks Thomas with the Pistons Ryan with the Thunder Thomas R with the Bulls the X-Line with the Hawks Ryan with the Wizards Kevin with the Pacers Asa with the Cavs Aaron with the Spurs Ben last spot mojo Sacramento Kings Jesse with the Heat Jason Oh with the Raptors Tim with the Trailblazers Adam with the Jazz Mike Tower with the Nuggets Matthew S with the Mavs Matthew G with the Grizz Matthew S Different Matthew S to Matthew S is Matt Silverstein right here with the Celtics Derek M with the Clippers Ryan with the Rockets Derek M with the T-Wolves Rick with the Nets Thomas K with the Pells Nicholas with the Knicks The X-Line with the Warriors and Joe you got my Lakers So now let's get all this on One screen here Let's sort by column B By team and are there any trades trade at your own risk folks. Remember all the different years here Got 12 13 right here. We got some 17 18 A couple 18 19s and uh in a few 1920s looks like a good mix Let me know if there's any trades I'll also drop the uh can view link For those of you watching live that'll open up that google document that google sheet So if you want to look at your teams again there So we'll give it a 30 seconds or so for for trades Oh, and while you're if you're not in this break and you don't feel like watching this basketball mixer go visit, uh Go visit Ted who's a dolphins fan you can talk Talk to him about that. There's a record. Hi viewers At Jasper's breaks is our instagram and twitter follow us there on on both but at Jasper's breaks on instagram We're live streaming right now Ted is the host there And you can get personal breaks on the other website which you can see in the chat jasper's.com Jasper's case breaks.com will have the case breaks, obviously And that'll that'll be us and then on instagram is jasper's.com. You can also buy Stuff for curbside pickup But today's special thing is that we've got some special jasper's football baseball basketball hit packs On there and they're seem seem to be selling out like hotcakes First come first serve you got to be present to uh to watch and pick your packs And those will probably go pretty quickly today. So get into the action. All right looks like no trades. So let's Close the trade window twc. Let's print. Let's rip Okay Okay, there you go All right, let's switch screens out here so you can still see the nick cam above my head Right there so you can see him ripping This is a this is a blaster right here. All right Good luck everybody and the special thing here all card ship. Oh, actually, let me show you the The official list again So hot off the presses There you go our 12 box big rookie hunting Basketball mixer. So thanks for going hunting with us Appreciate it. Here we go Chandler Parsons, Juwan Evans Delon Wright, Terrence Ferguson rated rookie Laurie Markin and rated rookie. That's pretty nice Thomas Bryant and Ivan Rabb is your rated rookie autograph There you go We've got Demontus Sabonis to 193 We'll sleeve and topple it all those a little bit later Gordon Bell How the Saul To 50 and a nice BAM out of bio rated rookie Miami heat so the Ivan Rabb goes to the gris that'll be for Matt Garner and Jesse T Has the heat Frank Jackson rated rookie Donovan Mitchell rated rookie nice Not a hollow just a regular one, but still a nice one for Adam Kelly Yeah, let's let's find some some Tatum's too There's Frank Tillichina number to 155 some patent Sterling Brown Semi-ojal a All right, that was the first box Remember all card ship ladies and gentlemen All right, so we're still still in 1718 artist Gilmore John Collins Tillichina Oh not numbered, but it's like a different parallel here Draymond Green Laurie Markin and again Jordan Bell rated rookie parallel Dwayne Bacon Jonathan Isaac rated rookie There's Tillichina again that one is numbered 85 all card ship though, so sorry Jared Allen if you see me miss or slide past a uh A numbered card or something like that Caleb Swanigan hollow Then don't worry and everything you see Will be shipped So by his Harris Thomas Bryant Carimo Duelgebar Isaiah Thomas Hollow and Rudy Gay. All right, let's go to a move to it. This is a current prison blaster here Romeo Langford Silver Marvin Bagley The hit in here is Jimmy Butler Sensational rally for the heat Jesse Got a green drew holiday Kauai Ben Simmons Luca Donchich here Justin James rookie silver Justin James goes to the Kings and Mavs is Matthew What should we do next? What's this here? It's a pro prism We've got some court Kings back here Tenders Tenders All right, so this is prism from uh, this is current prism 1920 Here's Michael Bridges to 75 Faller out Anthony Davis Miss Turner Dwayne Bacon to 125 Luck of the lottery Darius Garland Miles Bridges those uh That bubble pattern's not numbered This should be numbered it is Andre Drummond to 175 Pistons Hachimura rookie card for Ryan Westbrook silver Zion Williamson fireworks with that bubble pattern Nice There you go first Zion card for uh, Thomas Thomas K with the pelicans Every every one of these count and we've got goga batadze fast break rookie autographs for the Pacers that'll be for kevin Den Smith jr to 125 TJ Washington We're remarking in Nice LeBron James And another PG this time an audit. No, just this time a different variation All right, they're still pretty cool though Marissa with both of those pj washington's LeBron Lakers goes to joe andreason Think these base LeBron James has still been selling for like 30 40 50 bucks and get a silver over a hundred dollars Somewhere around there marcus all I don't know prices seem to be changing all the time And we've got a dylan windler silver For the calves asa for the Cavaliers Jared culver and luka dodgich We've got some donner's optic basketball current year 1920 called folds yokich No name luka samanich Jamal Murray Montrez-Harrell And a redemption my house donovan mitchell and cody martin redemption The redemption is going to go to It's charles barkley wow signature series purple charles barkley um hard 49 well we've got to look up what What addition is this? groupbreakchecklist.com help us out here Let's go 2019 Donner's optic basketball There we go barkley signature series Parallel card 49 phoenix suns edition. Let me flip screens really quick There it is right there phoenix suns edition Donner's optic basketball charles barkley signature series card 49 phoenix suns Nice Plenty of time to redeem it Phoenix suns matthew hedges with the phoenix suns And that's a spot that he won In one of our mini breaks to get into this big break He won a spot nice Contenders Which side right side is up upside down? Maybe this this way. I don't know I'm just Just roll with it They're all going to be Like this, huh? All right, you got a cracked ice Dwight Howard And your autograph is going to be up and coming Lonnie Walker 53 out of 199 San Antonio Spurs that'll be for Aaron K There's nicola batum The autograph right there That's the auto looks like kevin hueter 102 out of 199 It is up and coming autograph for the hawks the x-line Miles bridges rookie of the year contenders We got Gorn draguage for the heat to 199 There you go. LeBron James Blake Griffin All right next one That's for Joe and the Lakers court Kings We got Justin Jackson Autograph nice. He's got a cool auto fresh paint auto For the Sacramento Kings a level three That's 57 out of 100 for the Sacramento Kings. Ben last spot mojo This Jared Allen looks like a art nouveau relic Two-color jersey for the Nets rick serrano There's the number right there one out of 10 nice low number two Dennis Schroeder Pascal Siakam And it looks like katie kevin durant Warriors edition Nice. I like these boxed hoppers. These are pretty cool Look at our work to panoramics All right, that'll be for the x-line and the warriors. We've got some totally certified Got some more Donner's optic basketball box of crown royale Kobe packs and this older set right here. Oh, this must be timeless treasures And then we'll close out with this choice box right here, which should be pretty awesome All right. Good luck everybody. We're breezing through this break Thanks everyone for getting in. There's la cvr And we've got rookie roll called den smith jr Really started off hot In his dallas career and I thought he was going to be the next big rookie to chase but tailed off a little bit and then kind of sent to Nick's purgatory I'll go to the Mavs. It's still Mavs edition from Matthew You got Jonathan Isaac to 25 We've got totally certified Doug McDermott fabric of the game relic And that is I can't really read that six out of 60 out of 99 That'll be for okay. See that's going to go to ryan 60 out of 99 John Collins delvedova Registered mail deandre jordan It's jordan pool rated rookie. These aren't numbered. They will ship everything ships in this break the brandon clark to 85 Rated rookie auto for the gris. That's going to go to matthew g Save that hotchie. We're not a hollow hotchie moora, but another one for ryan That's lebron to all those lebron james carrying some good good weight some good value It's no name. Kendrick now has been playing well until the season was put on pause but The no-name aspect of the misprint right there actually gives a little boost as well in value Jesse with the heat and joe andreason with another lebron for the lakers Why does Doug McDermott go to okc? Isn't that what his jersey was? Oh, sorry Goes to the nicks That'll be for nicholas don't doesn't matter The shipping team doesn't listen to the videos when they ship stuff They're going to go by the card in the list I could say the zion goes to the heat But our shipping team will make sure it goes to the pelicans are good They go by this and they go by the list Anyway, that good eye though that goes to the nicks. I just saw orange and I was just like, okay, see It's 95 de marie carol. No, no, it was my mistake Jordan It should go to nobody says silver scene cody martin Hornets If there was a hype around McDermott out of college Marissa with the hornets on that one, there's taco fall rated rookie Lucas a monarch not not as desirable as uh Kendrick none, but he also got the misprint no name on his on his card Cody martin rated rookie to 50 Let's save the second-year donchishes as well paul pierce rain makers Got a hollow gary harris All right. Okay Let's keep going some decent stuff here nothing earth shattering just yet Some old crown reale There's joe engels right here 78 out of 99 Let's just leave these out because these are a little more fragile The LeBron James is the pennies choice award die cut to 75 And that's calves edition going to asa We got an autograph for the hornet 77 out of 99 Marissa Todd with the charlotte hornets It's the michael kid grilled gill crest 77 out of 99 The relic is trevor riza rockets edition to 249 It'll be for ryan ryan herald That's more right here All kobe cards from the kobe pack goes to the lakers of course joe andreason with that one missus guy Occasionally these can be num serial numbered or even uh Or even autographed. I think we probably open dozens of there hundreds of these packs Over the years over the last five six years. We've been doing this And I think we've only seen like one auto Uh, there is jeff. I mean we don't have like a whole We don't have like a hole. It's basically nick Maybe one other person There's kemba walker Glass well, unfortunately these paninis been weird about accepting those expired redemptions, but We'll send it to charlotte maybe you can uh Maybe you can convince them marissa all right Torneke shingalia Is your glass rookie autograph? And that kemba would be really cool though That's for the brooklyn nets 365 out of 499 There's a kevin durant All-star rally 51 out of 149 Tony well if you watch the video, Tony You should be able to see I should I probably do say the name of the person who got it uh this kd Thunder edition of kd That'll be going to ryan. There's another lebron james right here, too jeff are you Are you asking because you were curious are you asking because you have a customer service related question? If so, you can shoot us an email jaspy's case breaks at gmail.com. All right 2018 2019 choice Drew holiday rookie Jerome robinson And a dairies miles redscope autograph Clippers Derek melanson with that one you also get the silver Jerome robinson There's the alec burke To 88 That is for the jazz adam kelly the jabari parker for the bulls thomas r To 88 the josh jackson I guess tricolor Ricky rubio and malcolm brogdon. Dang. I thought there was going to be A monster in there, but alas no But there you have it ladies and gentlemen big thanks nick for helping move this break along. This is a breeze With his help That was our 12 box big rookie hunting basketball mixer nothing too huge this time But I appreciate everybody trying get into the next one on jaspy's case breaks.com and i'm joe. I'll break that with you. Bye. Bye


The one thing that hurts the narcissist You could argue that there are many things that hurt the narcissist But if you look at it closely It all comes back to one thing There is only one thing that hurts the narcissist There is only one thing that causes them pain and distress And that one thing is rejection The dismissing or refusing of their proposal or idea The refusal to accept, approve or support something The refusal to give them attention and adoration The refusal to give them love or kindness When you say no to the narcissist When you don't let them get their way When you go no contact When you move on with your own life and find someone else All of these things hurt the narcissist But they're all different forms of rejection Rejection is the one thing that hurts the narcissist And it is also the one thing that will empower you But it will cause a narcissistic injury Because they are very afraid of rejection Which is why they will usually try to love bomb you Before they ask you for something They will act nice They will be very supportive of you Because they're expecting something from you in return They're expecting you to repay their kindness Narcissists are very arrogant and entitled They believe that they are inherently deserving Of privileges and special treatment They see you as an object that exists to serve them They believe that you're there to make their lives easier So you should do whatever they want But if you need anything from them They're not going to be there for you But why does rejection bother them so much? Why does it hurt them? Why does it get under their skin? The reason why rejection hurts the narcissist Is because they have no inner sense of value So they need to get their value from outside of them This is their narcissistic supply They attach themselves to people Because they're trying to fill this void that is inside of them They're seeking an external sense of value A source of stability and security To conceal their inner sense of inadequacy Which is why many of them are attention whores They need constant attention and admiration They need compliments and praise They need a big house They need an expensive car They need the perfect partner They need to have the top job They need to have lots of money Because it feeds them It gives them that external sense of value But they also get that external sense of value By devaluing someone Making them feel small Making them feel inadequate The narcissist finds pleasure in doing that Because it gives them a sense of control It makes them feel like they're better than you The narcissist targeted you for a reason They targeted you because they thought they could get supply from you Which is why they often target empaths They target people who are kind and generous People who are going to help them People who they can use to get that external sense of value Because that's all they care about They have no interest in giving you anything They're just trying to get something from you Maybe you're physically attractive Maybe you have good connections Maybe you have a lot of money This feeds the beast It makes them feel like there's something special or important Because they can't connect to you on a deeper level They lack empathy They lack the ability to share your feelings and experiences So they can't truly care about you They only care about what you can do for them But as long as you're bringing value to them They will keep you around If you're not bringing value to them They won't have any use for you But they may still keep you around Just to use you as their emotional punching bag But if you beat them to the punch and you discard them You are cutting off their supply You are taking away their external sense of value Which will cause a narcissistic injury Where they will revert and deflate back to the frightened child state Because something happened to them in their childhood They experienced some form of abuse or neglect Which left them stunted at the emotional development of a child So when you reject the narcissist And it triggers a narcissistic injury It causes them to experience those unresolved traumas all over again And it triggers narcissistic rage Where they will have a temper tantrum They will shout and scream at you They will intimidate you They will lie They will make false accusations They will start a smear campaign They will try to turn everyone against you They will make threats They will make threats They will stalk and harass you Because rejection is the one thing that hurts the narcissist It is the one thing they don't want to experience So if you reject the narcissist It's the worst thing that you could do to them Because you're taking away their narcissistic supply So they will go after you They will try to punish you They will try to get revenge Because they feel entitled to it They feel like it's their right But rejecting the narcissist is definitely the right thing to do It won't be a pleasant experience But it's worse to continue to have them in your life Thank you for watching Hope this video ends up with you Please like, comment, share and subscribe If you would like to donate My PayPal link is in the video description Coaching inquiries You can email me at coaching.naxify.uk Thank you for watching and I'll talk to you soon


Mr. Ropodop Ciccio, I believe the correction in the Western economies is just beginning. Indeed, Mr. Ropodop Markets having worst month of the year Crypto dropping real estate is stagnant because of rates bonds are dropping regional banks are at risk Personal credit at historic low fiat at historic low in terms of buying power, etc China, Japan and Europe looking shaky at best with oil going back up I believe it will lead to great buying opportunities. Yeah, but let it play out. Let it play out not only that All the stuff you're saying war war war right the The only response really centralized power has to this kind of chaos that they created war war war more Centralization devastation, right?  I have no idea.  I said in Canada one of the mantras one of the Programming as they did with people is They would tell people never talk religion or politics in a social setting and dinner dinner table or anything like this So for decades, they've been telling people don't talk politics or religion with people, right?  What this world is about to a certain degree, right?  But beyond the material is the spiritual discussion.   Don't talk spirituality. Don't talk politics So don't talk about the two most important things in humans for humanity, right? And as soon as Something like this comes along people are completely oblivious in the Western world in Canada anyway as to what the real game is at play Right and the person I was talking to last night Well, I mentioned to them. I said look in Canada people are Majority of people believe the government think the government cares for them in third-world countries Second-world countries even first-world countries where people understand what government is. They know that government lies Government doesn't even rats us about them bureaucrats or bureaucrats politicians or politicians. They are not They are playing a role. They don't care about me and you and the community in general, right?   Two comedians had a lot to say about this George Carlin said it straight up He didn't he said I don't believe a word that government states And that's the way you should be you shouldn't believe a single word government states. You should Double-check yourself and Bill Hicks put it incredibly brilliant when he's talking about drugs, right? He had a little little sketch where he said If the news is supposed to be the news How come everything in the news about drugs is bad if the news is the news Then shouldn't they at least cover two sides of the story? because drugs You know aren't all bad He's like I've had some bad times on drugs, but have some amazing times on drugs, right?   But if the news is the news, how come they're only talking about the bad Where's the good side of this thing, right? And if you think drugs are all bad then you should take everybody should take all the music that they listen to all the rock and roll you listen to Beatles Rolling Stones, Zeppelin, Deep Purple Well rushed in due to much drugs, but a lot of the other bands rock bands or any other musicians and flushed them down the toilet because a lot of that amazing music was Created under the influence of drugs that's including scientific discoveries, right?


Welcome to Barbell Logic Rewind. You're listening to Barbell Logic Podcast. I'm Matt Reynolds. I'm here with my cohort, Scott Hambrick. Scottism, Hambrick. And we're here with his dad, Frog, which is what everybody calls him, which means it's the easiest first question I've ever had in my life, which is, what's your real name? What's your real first name? William. William. So mine. Right. So, yep. I'm Thomas. He's Scott. OK, right. Middle names.  Absolutely not. You went by William? No, I did not. What did you go by? Well, I had uncles named Bill. OK, right. Grandpa named Bill.  Right. So they call me Tom. Not Billy Tom. They do that sometimes in Oklahoma. Oh, they do that. Does it throw two of those together? No, they call me Tom because that was my grandfather on my mother's side. So I was named after my dad's dad and my mom's dad. And how long did Tom last before Frog took over? 11 years. OK. Yeah, I was told you were a kid. I was told sixth grade. Yeah, I think so about right. So what's the story? How'd you become Frog? Well, my little sister had a neighbor and they had a music class and they had to go find a song, get the words to it, learn it, and sing it in music class. OK. And she got Froggy went according. So my my sister told her says he's got that in a songbook.  So I go down there and help her with it.  And then her daddy and her daddy went to call me. And then I had an older brother and she had older brothers. So that was it.  I said, OK. Did you like it? I didn't care. They fed me. There's a lot of toms. It was that Cecil. Who was that? Wiley Berry. Wiley. Yeah. Wiley and Ruthie. So by the time you're 15, 16, you're frog to everybody. No, I go back to Tom. Oh, you do? Yes. OK. So then when do you go back to Frog for the second time? When I come back to Tals area. OK. So you went to off to school where? Over a little town over by the state line called Calcord. And you were how long? Well, it was my ninth grade. OK. So by the time you're 14 years old. At Christmas, we moved.  When you were young? When I was 10. When you were 10.  So you were born. In 1946. Wait a minute. Were you? I was hatched, really. So we thought 1946 for that's all I knew, right? And then dad went and saw his Uncle Joe about five, six years ago. And Uncle Joe had a letter that my grandpa sent him. It's dated February 1945. That's correct.  His name is William Thomas. So do you think that was a typo? Or do you think he wrote that down wrong? Or do you think you were born in 45? And I think I was actually born in 45. Because they said I was mature for my age. You were always the big kid. So you went 70, 68 years thinking it was 46. No, that's because a public record for me and my signing up for the draft and social security numbers and what I was registered to go to go to school. So that was the birth date. Right. And then Uncle Joe was like, here's this whole brown letter. Yeah, here I got something for you there. And you had no idea when you got that letter. Oh, are you saying me? You did know? Or no. No clue. I kind of, in the back, back of my mind, I'd say, maybe I'm a year older than I thought. It said, well, I distinctly remember that being mentioned like 1947, something like that. OK, yeah. When I first started remembering she had, sure. But so you were born in Compton. Born in Compton. Compton, California. I know some other guys that were born in Compton. Well, they don't look like frog. Well, the whole deal was back then it was a bedroom community for Lockheed Martin. Right. OK. OK. And and all the black people were in Watts. Yep. Long Beach line was next to it was Hispanic. OK. And then the integration started. Your dad worked for Lockheed or? He worked for McDonald Douglas and got loaned out during World War Two. OK. The Lockheed Martin, because he was a structural aircraft mechanic. OK. So he goes overseas to Africa and Egypt and all this stuff. Yeah. And then he comes back and made you. And then he goes to Lockheed. And it really comes back to Tulsa to Douglas. And they sent him back to Lockheed out in Long Beach. And then that kind of went south, kind of ugly thing. And sure. So anyway, he signed on the Time and Energy Commission. So he goes out to Marshall Islands when they're testing the A bomb. So they go out and fly the airplane, drop the bomb, come back. Well, and they check the airplane for structural damage, you know, when the pilots live to get them back. Sure. So if the plane got back, you had to go check it. It's like Noah's in and out the dove. So that comes back as good news. So that's what he did. What do you remember about your dad, especially before your mom passed? What was he like? He was gone. Travel all the time. Divorced. Right. Right. Gone. So you lived with mom. Yeah. Dad worked. Dad supported you guys still from his work. Yes. Yeah. Mom would lose the checks. She'd get hammered on four roses, go hide the checks. Four roses, not as quality whiskey back then as it is. And then couldn't find them.  So mom struggled. Mom was a strong. No, no, she didn't really struggle. Well, I just mean she just get ahold of me. It's in another check. Right. Sure. So, you know, he didn't duck his responsibility for us at all. And then so you mentioned a younger sister. You got any other siblings? Oh, yeah. Yeah. How many held? I got a sister brothers, right? One brother, he passed away four years ago. Older than you. Two years. OK. I had a sister, half sister that passed away. That was 19 years older, 18, 18, 19 years older. OK. It was your dad's. No, it was your mom's mom. Mom's baby girl. And she always introduced her as her niece. Interesting, because she had her so young. Oh, I imagine, I guess, you know, they said she was 36 when she passed, but she was actually over 46. Oh, wow. So. And pregnant. You guys are like Cuban defectors. They just lie about their age. You realize that all of the Little League teams you ever played on, they're now forfeiting their trophies. Got to put it at once. They realize that frogs out there pitching. He's 17 years old. He's throwing up 72 miles an hour at these 12 year old kids. I got a I had a sister that was two years younger than me. That passed. And then I've got a little sister that's four years younger than me. OK, so you got. So was that four? What do you got for four? And then my aunt may the half sister. And then, yeah, then Aunt May, the half sister. So then your mom passed at 10. Is that what you said? You were 10 years old. Yeah. What can I ask? What happened there? We went horseback riding. So we go down in the ditch there in L.A. where, you know, you could get horses and ride and had all the riprap and stuff. And so we go down to go horseback riding. So everybody gets a horse. And my little sister was four years younger than me at the time. So six, six, something like that.  The guy picks up my little sister to hand it to her and she blows up and goes to screaming and yelling and kicking and kick the horse. The horse went to Bucking.  Oh, my God. Broker ribs punctured her lungs and she refused to stay in the hospital because there are four of us at home. So she comes home suffocated. Oh, my goodness. That's actually passed. So yeah, yeah, punctured lung, probably swollen. So wow, wow.  I would think I don't think she even would remember. Sure. So, yeah, sure. And we didn't run it up or up the flagpole either. You're 10.  Mom, dad are divorced. Dad's working and traveling all the time. You live with mom. You who do you live with my sister? My sister, my who's she almost 20 years older than you. Yeah, she comes from Colorado. She was awesome. She come from Colorado down for the funeral and stuff. Her and my dad talk. So we get on airplane, go to Colorado Springs.  Well, you guys flew out there. She came to the. Yes, I did not know that. Is that first time on an airplane? Yeah, you can remember. Can you remember it? What it was like being on an airplane in like 1950. Yes, I'm 54. Right. Yeah, I hated it. Did you hate it? Yeah, yeah, we we got over the Rocky somewhere headed for Denver or whatever we hit an air pocket and it just. Oh, sure. And terrifying. Yeah. So that I've flown thousands and thousands of hours since then. But that first trip sucked. Right.   Yes. Yeah, like next day, probably, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, we stayed. She had a sister named Jesse. So we went and stayed with Aunt Jesse for less than a week, something like that. Was that June's mom? Yeah. And then ended up in Colorado Springs. Aunt May told me that when they all when those Hambert kids all showed up that they were feral children. Feral, he's not in the neighbors. They could shoot you like hogs, huh? So you don't go play with a wild dog. Your mama didn't teach you that. I know that's why you got to shoot them. That's what I said.  Well, she had rules.  She could be even before you. But there was no question, you know, that what she was trying to do was right. Sure. And I realized, you know, when she said, this is what I want you to do, it better happen. Yeah. Well, you could tell like the second you said her name a minute ago, he said she was awesome.  So he was, let's say, belligerent, you know, sure. Negative and all that. But he he kind of and he was how old? Two years older than me. He's 12. Yeah. So gosh, he's right in the middle of the worst time of your life anyway, right, where it's well, another deal is we get out there. This is a great story.  Normal kids get checkups. Right. That's not any that weird. Yeah. But, you know, us and that was weird for you never before. Yeah.  His name was named after my dad, Grady. And wait a minute, who was your dad named after? A blue nose mule. Yeah. We'll get that a minute. So anyway, he goes and has a we go have our check up instead. We'll find out he's got a hernia. So they said, well, we got to fix that.  And then when he gets through having his hernia fixed, he discovered they'd also circumcised. He was a mad dude. They were feral. It was. It was a cut. It was for health reasons, she said. Yeah, good. That's great. I concur. That's a good move.  A year. So you're 11. Where you go from there? My dad came back from the Marshall Islands. He went down and bought a 54 Mercury Monterey. So does in it. And we come to Catoosa here, but Tulsa. But that's where his mom and dad lived. OK, brothers and all them nearest inland port in the United States, the port of Catoosa. It wasn't there yet. Oh, it wasn't. No. Oh, no, no, no. There was a waterway. Well, there was just one. There was just one bridge across the Bergus River. OK, yeah. And that was just 10 years after the ferry went away. So that's that's 56 that you move there somewhere there and started going to school, Catoosa public school. Right. And dad is raising your dad. Have a wife at this time or girlfriend or anybody? Sort of, kind of, maybe. Don't keep buying. Yeah. So he bought. So he called this person and she was still in California. So she throws all of her stuff in there. Fifty four forward to the hard top with a continental kid and her two red eddy kids. And here she come.  So where they went? Never heard of them again. Wow. But my mom was married probably four times four to five. Dad was married three to four. Everybody's trying to find us another parent. We didn't need a parent. We were a feral. Right. I mean, we really looked after each other. Sure. You joke about the feral, but you had a lot of street smarts. You guys obviously were raised in a way that you were kind of in survival mode for years. Right. Oh, yeah. Even pomegranates and. Oh, yeah, we still pomegranates and guavas and all that stuff. Yeah, oranges and right. Life was good. Yeah. So anyway, I ended up in Colorado Springs, so they enroll me in school and I go down there and talk to them. They want to send me back two years. But you go back to Colorado Springs. No, just went with the first trip. OK, they want to accept you back. So, you know, they're going to enroll us in school there. Sure. So we go down there and they say, well, you're coming out of California when I set you back two years. Oh, this was fifth grade.  I don't want to do that. Sure. And they already, you're older than all the fifth graders. So they're like, listen, you're six. You're already 12. You got to go back and be with the third graders. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. It's amazing that the administration would even look at you and say, yeah, we should put you with a bunch of seven year olds. Like, listen, man, can you imagine the level of bully that you could be? So anyway, we went over, what do you know? Well, I knew how to color.  I could finger paint. I could print my name. Well, that's it. And I had this wonderful lady. Her name was Myzenbach, which was going to be my teacher. And I said, I'd like to try to make it. She said, I'll tell you what. You give me an hour every morning before school and hour after school to be tutored. And if you make it, you make it. If not, you're going back. Well, I said, I'm in. So when I left there, I knew how to read. I knew how to write longhand. I knew my multiplication tables. I could, you know, I walked in that class and they were doing long division. She said, I said, what's that? Is that Egyptian? So anyway, I had six years or so of education in one.  Right. You know, how to coexist in a like this. That's in an anhyzer. So many people. Their main object is for everybody to love each other. Sure. And education and pay taxes. Yeah, not a lot has changed. But the same. So by the time you came to Catoosa, you had a decent education. You were relatively caught up at that point. I got to where I actually enjoyed math. Yeah. The English kind of pissed me off because they were making a lot more out of it than what it physically was and how it was used, you know, the diagramming sentences or all that other kind of crap. I said, really, what is the reason for this? It's like algebra. They should spend that time teaching people how to do checkbooks, how to manage their money and things like that. Instead of if you got four apples and three oranges and Dickie has one grape and you mash them all up in a big can and you leave it to lay for six months. What do you have? You got something to drink. I was going to say you got prison wine, right? You know. So anyway, now you're back. Now we're caught up and Wiley Berry calls you froggy. And so that's why you were there. That's why you're in Catoosa at sixth grade. Right. Yeah. Yep. So so I have a paddle from sixth grade that one whole side of it has my spankings on it. The other side has a whole class rest of the class. Oh, like tick marks. Yes, like hash marks.  Who swatted you? Mr. Sam's and a guy named Gabe Walters. So J. W. Sam's the first guy they ever gave me swats to really your first your first spanking at school was the same guy that spanked your dad. They weren't actually swats either, buddy. He put the hammer on you. Did he? He was good at it. Yeah. Yeah. Was it good? Did you need it? Or do you look back with disdain? I probably had to come in. Yeah, sure. You know, Mr. Sam's a good guy. Yeah, it's just part of life. You know, sure. You were honoring need to be beat. Got to beat you. So when I got to kindergarten, he was the principal of the elementary school. Well, yeah, I had a few like that. Yeah, I had an algebra teacher, Mr. Hock. Actually, I had him for algebra, in geometry and trig at him three years. And he was my dad's math teacher. My dad went on to be a civil engineer, and it was always interesting. I had a few of those out of Mr. Gould was the history, political science teacher that was also the golf coach. My dad was captain of the golf team in golf. What's that? I know, right? And then listen, we actually, we come from nothing to year. But it's just pasture hockey. So yeah, well, it's weird that the only thing we knew about golf course was to be over and dropped off so you could carry somebody's bag. Yeah, sure. It's a well, even my grandpa, that we didn't we didn't mention it when we interviewed my grandpa, Lynn, but even up till about three years ago, the golf course he played even at 82. Everybody in town calls it the Goat Ranch, right? Because it's not this in the country club. That's not where we're playing. So it's the public course. But we're recording this tonight because he's playing golf tomorrow. Oh, right. Yeah, that's right. So he's right. At some time, he yeah, he figured it out. So yeah, go ahead. How long were you at Catoosa then before you went to Colcord three years? Seven, eight, nine, 60 for three and a half years. Yeah. We went at Christmas in 1960. You're like 15 somewhere in there. Kind of sort of. OK, in that ballpark. Yeah, that's what you're you're worn. Yeah, I know, right? Somewhere in there. We're in the right ballpark, though. You're not driving yet. I mean, not legally. No, but I did go into Arkansas and get my driver's license. You could get a driver's license in Arkansas. You could go to Arkansas and get a driver's license. And then bring it back and it would still count in Oklahoma. Well, what the deal was is we lived on the Oklahoma side at Flint Creek. And we had a Siloam Springs address. So I just go over and I just take the test and stuff. I got a Siloam Springs, Arkansas address. So they give me a driver's license. You was the town you lived in in Oklahoma right on the border, right next to Siloam Springs? Are you why did you have a Siloam Springs? They didn't really live in a town. Well, I understand. But what I'm saying is that the the address of the place you lived in in Oklahoma actually had a Siloam Springs address or you guys had another property. No, no, it was there. You lived on the border basically. Well, yeah, it was seven miles. Right, it was close. OK, got you. So you went into the city town of Siloam Springs. No, we never lived in city. No, you went into the town of Siloam Springs to get your driver's license. So that way, then you could drive with with an Arkansas driver's license in Oklahoma in case there was a problem. When I moved, you know, I came from Arkansas. You still you get your learners permit at 14, which you can't do. I think you have to be 15 and a half or something in Missouri. It's not it. You got away in a while. I think in our yeah, but you could get your driver's license to be a school bus driver at 16. I'm serious. So it's some juniors in high school driving the bus. Yes, yes. That's incredible. Yeah, they go when they were the last stop on the bus and they drop everybody off and park the bus at home and they get up in the morning, go to school, they pick everybody up on the way back. Amazing. Yeah. Can you imagine? They got eight dollars a day. Yeah. Did you do that? No, no. Yeah, I think you can still get what I call a farm to market license or something like that. Right. You can drive to the farmer's co-op right for 14. I think that's well. Yeah, you drive a hay truck and that kind of stuff. So when do you move out and decide I'm tired of being raised by adults? How old are you? Well, I started making my move when I was about 14. But OK, I actually pulled it off when I was probably 16, 15 and a half. So what happened between there, 14 and 16? You started sleeping in other places? Well, no, I done my best to try to help Dad keep his farm. You know, we had cows to milk and hogs to feed and chickens and a lot of chickens. Right. You have that commercial chicken.  They have like 23,000 chickens. Yeah. Tyson. And you fed them with a shovel and a wheelbarrow. Right.  Is that who you sold to or who? No, plus. Plus Oklahoma. Is that Oklahoma company? No, it's Arkansas. Plus O'Gree. OK. OK. And then you leapt out for real 15 and a half, 16 on your own. Yeah. What was that like? Is another day in the adventures? Well, where'd you live? Well, I didn't really live anywhere. I had. I come back at 2 for just a little bit. And then I turned around and went back to where I was going to school because I made my grandpa a promise that I would graduate high school. So I go back over to Calcord and it's during the holiday thing at that particular time. So they always let the gym open so you go play in the gym.  So I just found me a nice place to stay in the gym. Cold outside. It's holidays. You're 16. Yeah. Where else are you going to sleep? Had showers. Yeah. You know, locker room showers. Take a dump. You start sleeping in the gym. Yeah. Wow. Then I got to do that. Then I got discovered two weeks.  How'd you get found? I don't really, really, really know. I think the principal, the guy that I ended up staying with, suspected that I was staying in the gym because, you know, he'd come down early and open up school. You're the first guy at school every day. The last guy to leave, you know, and I think he's seen me coming out of the gym and going in, you know, that kind of thing. So you said it's the guy you started staying with. Is that he took you in and you stayed at his house.  And he feeds you to give you food. Yeah, but I didn't impose on it very much on that. Yeah. You know, he had bird dogs. He had blankets, cows and stuff like that. And I took care of all that kind of stuff for him. Do you guys talk about that? Make a deal or do you just start kind of working and feel like this is what I need to do if he's. Yeah, that's what it was.  I said, I got it. And out in his pasture, I lost my class frame. I thought I'd lost it had been gone.  Well, a year later, I'm out there to go spread some hay and there it laid. So I was, I was, I was golden. So had he taken in other folks or before he had one guy that he had took in probably 20 years earlier for a short period of time because they're I kind of understand that the guy's parents were killed in a car wreck.  So this guy had been principal for decades. Now, he went to principal then he was just a teacher, still in education for decades. Yeah. Over the course of 20 plus years. Well, the only people that were, let's say, had a decent car to drive decent house to live in and decent clothes. They were the school teachers or the superintendent. Yeah. Or a preacher. Really? Everybody else was on the same level. Grubbin. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Times have changed. Well, you get a hundred people in the congregation, 10 points. Well, I live in man. That's true. Everybody's paying 10 points, I suppose. But, well, and I was thinking more teachers. Oh, yeah.  And for Illuminati. What? An alumni dinner. Oh, alumni. Yeah, alumni. Alumni. I don't speak Missouri.  Show me. Right. It's show me. It's show me. Just just about. So anyway, the nice cars, the parking lot and the people that had on dress pants and nice linen church stuff like that at the church with school teachers or the school teachers, even still, even still. Yeah. Yeah. It's poor, poor, poor, poor. There's a poor over there that can't even pay attention. You're making thirty five thousand a year over there. You're that's high life. You're rocking. That's and that's probably what teachers make. Well, the deal is that it worked for the chicken plant. Right. Making twenty one. No. At the chicken plant now. I don't think so. Twenty one thousand a year. Probably not. What county is that? OK, Delaware, Delaware County. Port County and the state. That's crazy. That's beautiful place, though. Sure. Nice folks. Sure.  Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I lived in Northwest Arkansas where I was raised, same sort of thing. Beautiful, you know, right on the White River. Good fishing, good hunting, good people. Nothing, nothing there. And you go back when you're thirty and all your friends are in prison for dealing math or, you know, nobody's done anything. So so you came from this really. I mean, it's it's you've got a rough background growing up, right? You lost your mom at ten and you were feral by your own qualifications, right?   And that's a that's a that's a tough upbringing.  You know, you're a great grandpa and a great dad and and Scott and I hang out all the time and he talks so so high about you. How this work? I mean, how did it work going from this like insane? The cards that you were dealt in life weren't very good. You weren't dealt.  They, you know, their experiences, you know, you can get bitter and mad about a lot of things than I was cheated. No, I wasn't and never felt that way. Never felt that way at 13 at 11. No, you were always just like, here we go. There we go. Next day, myself up by my bootstraps and go to work next day. Yeah, let's go. Yeah. So what was life like after high school? When did you meet your wife? I met her actually probably 1958. OK. And I knew her brothers and I knew who she was because she and my sister were friends. And how close are you guys in age? She's a year younger than I am. OK. In the same high school, you're one of the same high school at the time? No. Well, I'm same same school district, though, right?  OK, so you were done with school after nine. No, I would that's in Catoosa. He left Catoosa. So that you would hitchhike from out at Colcourt back to Catoosa on weekends and stuff like that far away these two times. So 89 miles, 89 miles. OK. So on the weekends, you're coming back to Catoosa occasionally. Yeah, right. And you hitchhike back up here. Is there a highway that goes from 412 go straight from Colcourt to Salon? OK, well, it's 412 now. It was old, old highway. Old Highway 33. OK, got it.   No. So anyway, I'm out of school a year at a high school when I come back because I have a job at a chicken plant and I go where and I'm getting a dollar and a nickel an hour and I'm getting chickens. They're just coming just in.  And the line boss come by, I said, boy, you're sure doing a good job. So and you look and it was like a quarter of a mile to the wall. And here's this guy snaking along the wall, going up there and said, you keep working hard, you can have it. Maybe you can have his job one of these days. I said, what does he make? He said a dollar thirty three an hour is the plant manager. I took my gloves off at that instant. My apron, I said, I'm done.  And I left. Yeah. Oh, and back to Catoosa. Yeah. For good. For good. So you're doing odd jobs around Catoosa around the area. Yeah, you know, I've there's a lot of people work with their hands. You know, carpenters that needed help. And then one of my. Uncle's wife, brother, was a Mason bricklayer. So anyway, he got me in and I was a Mason tender for a while. That was a good flick. And this is like in your mid 20s. No, I'm not. No, not yet. No, early 20s, 20, 20.  I get married at 20. OK, how long did you guys date? Two years, two years. Tell me about your bride. She's awesome. Amazing. She's special. What was it that changed her from this eighth grade little girl that was friends with your sister to you came back and decided this was so.  And I hadn't seen her in three years or something like that. And I look down behind the bleachers and here's this long tall. Good looking gal with black Levi's on. I said, damn. Mom was probably five, nine or 10. I was going to say, she's still long and tall. She's just imagine it's the kind of genetics that makes Scott. Hamburg. So anyway, I go and investigate and I find out it's Mary. So I, you know, I catch her in the gym and we visit a little bit and I catch. I mean, does that mean corner? Yeah, stalk. Well, she had a friend and we went on a double date. My buddy took Mary and I took Brandon.  Let's walk. He said, OK. He married her. Yeah. Yes. Oh, that's so good. So good. So now you're you're in love. You're 20. Well, what point do you join in? Is it the Navy? Where'd you join? I joined the army. The army. When were you? Well, the deal was I go down and I think about joining the army.  Well, I'm about blind in my right eye.  I said, OK, I go. And then my buddy, Jerry, when I he joined the National Guard, I want you to come and join the guard. I said, OK, so I go down there. I joined a guard week later. I get my draft papers.  And so I just do my time in the guard. I spent 15 years in the army guard. And then I one day I heard some guys bitching because the remote in the room, they couldn't find it for the TV. And I was thinking them guys got to be in the Air Force. So that was a full timer for the guard. Full timer for the guy. So you did your two years or whatever was part time in the guard. Six. Oh, six years part time. Yeah. Before you went full time. Right. OK.  So now by this time you're twenty six, twenty somewhere there, twenty five, twenty six.  And then. Seventy two, January one, seventy two. OK. And I was working for Pontiac. Thanks for going real bad. They built these beautiful new Pontiacs in the first year of emissions. They changed camshafts and screwed them up where they wouldn't run. And it was all a brand new product. Nobody had by them. So I went from five hundred bucks every two weeks down to eighty six dollars. I said, I can't do this. Well, the old man had run the maintenance shop for the guard because I had just got out. He came down there and he says, hey, you want to go to work? I said, OK, stand right there. I went and got my truck. We pushed my toolbox over in the back of it. We went out the armory and he says, well, you're not really hard yet. We got to go down and talk to McGee, which was a guy, the Colonel McGee guy. I said, OK, we go down there.  That's what I mean. He said, be here three in the morning. We're going to Norman. I said, OK, so I'm there. We go down to Norman. We go in and talk to some commudging. How much you got to have an hour? And at that time, they before they went federal civil service and I got to have four dollars and a nickel. Oh, God, how many said that's too much money? I said, well, that's what it's going to take. I've got a family feed.   I got to talk to Orville. So Orville went in there and they just have after about two and a half hours, they, oh, man, they agreed. OK, but don't you tell anybody what you what you're drawing? I said, done. Two and a half hours. So I was sweating it for a while. Yeah.   I said, what do you make? He said, two eighty six. Oh, my God, I said, I've got to go. So I was a little kid and I remember Orville. He was awesome. So you're, you know, Beatle Bailey, comic books. Yeah, this sergeant in there is Orville Snorkel. Oh, it is. That's the guy. And I was a little bit kid, a little kid. And that'd be one. That's the same guy. He was a sergeant. He come by today. You got a demeanor similar in everything.  I always kept y'all the best. He gave me a big jaw full of it. And he walked, you know, 30 steps to the back door of the shop, chewing and spitting all the way.  You just take it and throw it out in the parking lot. Oh, my God. It's all he wanted. Just wanted to hit a still a bunch of maple syrup in there. Yeah, just a touch of that balcony. Speaking of to some point, life gets pretty good for you, too. You've you've built a you've got a good marriage. You've got a good job. You're working while I'm standing on the, you know, I'm down at Fort Polk. You know, I've been married a week and I got a deal. You got to go to Fort Polk, a basic training. I go down there and I get my last 20 dollars to the preacher when we got married. Then I call the wife and she says, I bought a trader house. I said, I'm getting with what? I'm getting forty four bucks a lot. You done what? She said, I got it. We're good. I said, oh, yeah. Oh, was she hooking? No, she's getting she's working for early. She's working for a department store, flipping hamburgers stuff. And she kept it running like a back. Yeah, then that's real William Scott was born. You know, they were made for a long time at the time anyway. It was eight or nine years, something like that. Before you had him. Yeah, OK. Didn't want to bring him didn't have nothing. We could feed him or no place, buddy. No, we did the same. I was married. We were married six years. How long were you married for? You had your first. How long was it? Five, three days, three days. And we were married about four months before we had our first. No, just kidding. So anyway, we bought us a lot. Then we moved the trailer up there and then we bought a house and had it moved on there and then we always tried to do. Yeah, I don't think people know what that means. So, you know, they would build an expressway and you could buy a house that was in that right of way. OK, you go in there and jack that thing up and roll out, put an IBM under it and put some axles under it and move it. OK, right. So you'll drive off with it and drove off with it. Right.  So you bought 900 square foot house or something like that. Or yeah, it was 36 but 24. Yeah, I get four grand for it. The guy moved it for 200 bucks and I went to work hooking it up. Yeah. So we we moved out into the Fergus River Bottoms 80 and 80. Yes, that's right. And then they started building an underground house. Yeah. So we lived in it. We moved a trailer out there to live in while you guys built the house.  Yeah. So I got pictures. This man's got up there with a jackhammer. We had this rock about the size of a 1948 short school bus in one corner of it. We had to break it up and move it out till we had room. So we spent a lot of hours on jackhammer. Sure. I want to take you to build it two years. Shit, it was never done, you know. I think when I moved in, yeah, you're right. No, it was longer than that. So we moved out there halfway through my first grade year and we moved in fourth grade, so it took about three and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. It was an underground house, you know, sixteen, fifteen hundred square feet, two car garage house under three foot of dirt. It's got a light, three bedrooms. I'd love to see the electricity bill. It was nothing. It was nothing, I'm sure. Yeah, a little natural gas well on the property. So yeah, he did for gas well on the property. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff you get in Oklahoma. Right. He just drilled the pocket gas out there. And yeah, a little wood stove in there and heated. How did you figure to live really within your means as you as you got older? I mean, that's not something. I mean, look, I did not borrow anything. Yeah, how though? Because everybody that comes from your background does. I had no resources. Nobody had lent it. I had no resources. I mean, that's is that what it is? You didn't you couldn't go down and talk to a loan officer or a bank because you didn't know one to know how to know didn't care. You said I'm just going to work. I mean, that was one of them.   Right. Well, they don't realize I want another home later on where they're going to get the money. Right. For the down payment, it's the equity in our house. Sure. You know, that's you did have a lady. So there's a federal employees credit union here in town. And I remember there was a lady Rosie. Yeah, she's your lady. You could go in there and get some money to go by 12 bundles of plywood to build forms with. Yeah. I could go in there and get a signature loan. Sure. For like up to five grand. Right. For not very much money. Sure. Yeah. You know, so. Right. Right. You know, the bar on $50,000 was out of the question. Oh, hell no. Wouldn't even consider it still wouldn't today. Sure. And I see I got buddies are buying pickups paying $45,000. We see it all the time. Yeah. It's amazing. We sit in well with this crew. We don't do that. No, we were driving over here to the warehouse. We're recording this here in my data storage and we're driving over the warehouse and this new GMC pickups drove by.  You know, sure. You know, GMC pickup when I was a kid, that was rubber floor mats, door crank. That was the bare bones product. Sure. Well, GMC was the truck. It's a better truck, I think. Yeah. But it was a work truck branch of General Motors. It wasn't a half ton chivalry pickup. Sure. It was. It always had leaf springs. It always was the truck that you'd want on a farm to haul hay or work or whatever. They're almost 50 grand. Now they're expensive. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't know when the guy drives in, you know, they like him because they got a pretty grill. Well, I was going to say, it's the, you know, I've got a nice truck that I got for a real cheap price and I bought in cash because I had the cash to buy. I'm not going to go buy it. I'm not going to spend $50,000 on a truck and go put a seven year loan on it. It's crazy. You know, they've got an aversion of borrowing. But by the way, I was raised not as rough as a background as you, but super poor, super south. And my parents didn't teach me this stuff. And I learned from my culture and my family, what you do is you borrow. But that's the thing that was ingrained in me. I've had to beat it out of myself. Like, you know, I was the kid that at 18 went to college and signed up for the credit cards and ran up $5,500 credit card debt. Yeah. But you know, if you're in the right area, you got all these farmers and these guys that they go down to Farm Bureau and they bet on the come. They borrow on the come. They borrow the money to plant the crops. Sure. And I'll pay you back this fall. I need to buy 25 cows. It's been done that way for decades. And so just the habit of borrowing. Once you get it, you can't get out. No, you're was the circle. A slave to the lender. But yes, kid, how they do it. Well, my mom, mom's tighter than a banjo string, man. Right.  Cleaning houses. You've talked about her before. Mom's always had a side hustle. Yeah. So cleaning clean houses. Yeah, mom. So yeah, here's the business lesson from Mary. She cleaned houses because she could do that. You know, she could dump us off at school or get us on the bus or whatever.  And it's like, I don't clean dirty houses. Yeah. Those are bad customers. You know, they don't pay the bill. It's more work than needs to be. I can get a better rate from these people. Yeah. That's a big deal. Yeah. Like picking the customers. Yeah. Yeah. And she had all of them for over 20 years. Yeah. They all died eventually. Yeah. The only way that she lost the customer is if they died of old age. Yeah. Yeah.  Like even, that's what we did for fun. Even when you were feral, you worked. Well, you know, one of mine is Scott's favorite things to do is go cut firewood and split it. Sure. You know, him and his buddies come out and they go out in the woods and kick over trees. So we have something to cut up. Split. You know, we just had a good time. Do you think your, Scott, do you think your, your work ethic is more nature or more nurture? Did you get these work genetics from your mom and dad or did they ingrain it in you? Grow it up. I mean, it wasn't really, I don't know. You know, mom has these three brothers and they're all nuts. Like one of them. That's how. With the work stuff. They're like you work. They work for work's sake.  With like a, with the, yeah. With a hand drill. Yes. He will go dig a hole in Limestone at his house because it's Saturday.  Oh man. You know, and then they're all that way. H bar and a. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't mind it. No, it's what we did. My sister didn't enjoy it that much. Sure. Well, and the question is, was the upbringing the same?  Clearly my sister's a sister. Like electricity. Right. AC DC. Two different things. You know, see, you know, do you actually treat them the same because they're actually different people that you could say, gosh, you don't treat them the same because they're not the same. I don't know what you do. Well, that's like, I would treat a guy different. I would a young lady and then my wife would treat young lady different. She would a young man.  That's what Mary said. You know, pretty good. Yeah, I think both of them think they're the only child.  But it's all good. So what's the, what's the legacy that you want to leave? Well, why would a person want to leave a legacy when they've got somebody like Scott? Well, he is a legacy, right? Yes.  It's about my family. Yep. And everybody loves Mary. Everybody loves Scott. But I don't know about that. Well, you know, it's debatable. And his sister, you know, they are taking care of themselves. Yep. I'm just having a great time. And my wife still lets me own half of everything we've got as long as I act correct. Yeah. You realize it shouldn't have turned out this way, right?  I did not. You broke the cycle of poverty, which I mean, really, really, that's really rare.  And you are responsible for yourself. And the rest of them bastards has all got hobnail boots, and now they're where you out. You got to take care of yourself. You got to find out where you want to go and head that way. You may not end up in that spot. You may deviate over here over there. But, you know, you got to keep putting out of the foot in front. And economics is a big driver in that. And if you borrow it, you don't have that money. Nope. That's not yours. It's not yours. It's theirs. Everything you're working for, that's not yours. That's theirs. I did not like that at all. Yep. That was not my, did not give me a warming fuzzy.  I would do my best. If you left town, I would drive to Missouri and pay you. Right. Sure. Because I just, I've been screwed over a few times. Well, second time, it's shame on me. Sure. First time, shame on you. Sure. Well, there ain't been no shame on me. So, I mean, I've been, been used a couple of times, but that was just one time around. Yep. We're new lesson. Well, that's where the personal responsibility, it seems like it's the, it's one of the primary themes of people that we interview that are successful. They're people that in every scenario, look at through the lens of this is on me. Buck stops here. Well, that's like Scotty. He goes to college, right? Gets out of school and he goes to junior college. He's working, right? And then he goes down to OU. So we say, you need any help or anything? No, I'm good. Okay. Yeah. Well, he gets him a deal in this apartment complex. By the way, no, you don't need anything except, I know the story that you're eating brown beans out of a can. Well, yeah. But you know what I'm saying? But no, I get it. But it's, that's still the attitude. You know, no, I'm going to build this for myself. Me and mom reserve the right to fill up his refrigerator with carbon gas. Sure. But as far as me giving him a hundred or thousand dollars for this, he wouldn't have it. Sure.  Yeah.  And I'll pay that one, right? Yeah. But anyway, he got in this apartment deal. He was painting the vacant apartment. He's got a place to live. And he said, well, God damn, we got to open the pool, but the only people in Oak City, what did he do? He go get some license to do the pools in Norman. He's the only guy in town. Yep. So all these motels have got to pay him to do that.  You know what I'm saying? Great. Here we go. Yep. So anyway, he gets through school and. Kind of. Kind of through school. Kind of. Well, yeah. In most ways. Yeah, you know. All the way to one semester through school. Well, I got what I wanted to do. But I'm super proud of him. Sure. He's, well, you got through it eventually. He got his idea of where he's headed. Sure. And he hadn't looked back. No, no, I can see. When I first met you guys, I didn't see the connection. And I was like, what's that? Well, I was like, that's Scott's dad. That's okay. That's not what I expected. You know, Jack Tank Hill. Why do you think I ought to wear a bomber's cap? And no, I just, you know, I just, you just. You don't talk alike. You don't look a lot alike.  And so it's taken knowing you guys for a few years to, to see the, the passing down of the, of really the core values and the principles of your life, whether you meant to do that on a, or whether you did that, you know, you know, I don't know if you ever sat down with Scott and said, this is why we don't borrow money. And this is why we work like you probably didn't. You just modeled the thing. No, it's the stories.  And then it's a lady got work laid off. Oh yeah. Like we got a guy that went in 401k and he borrowed money to put a fence up. Yeah, right. You know, from his 401k. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. Great idea. No, it was stories like that. You know, so-and-so borrowed money to buy this truck and his wife lost her job and they came and towed his truck off at lunchtime today. Right. You know. And you lose. Hmm. And you like stories. Yep. Put that in your brain. I'm going to store that in there for a while. Yeah. You're like, hmm, don't owe the bank on the truck. And my wife economics has just kept an eye on it and a fist on it. Yeah. She don't turn loose. Yeah. And that's good. That's why I'm where I'm at. All their opinions. I got claw marks on them. Yeah. All right. So then that begs the question. What's the funnest couple of things you spent money on in the last five years? I bought a Winnebago Sprinter camper. Okay. That we had fun with. Yeah. Are you done with it? Did you sell it? I sold it. Got to grow down from Colorado with cash in his fist. And I said, are you shitting me? All right. I'm out. So anyway, we used it three years and mom said, okay, that's enough of that. We'll go stay in Motel if we go somewhere. I said, all right. Okay. So you got to Winnebago.  Like to a real vacation? Like you guys went to Mexico.  No, they wouldn't go. I stole my pay. They actually still didn't go to Mexico. No, you guys went. My wife will not cross the border. You're correct. She will not cross the border. But you had fund building the house we got now. It's what Mary wanted. She drew the plans up. Oh, that's cool. So you got a nice house. Yeah. Right? You got a Lexus SUV I've seen. Yeah. So. About used. About used and in cash. Yep. I'm sure. Yeah. Yep. We've had it, what, five years now? Used cars.  She got 60,000 miles on it. We've had it five years or something like that. Sure. Cars are one of the biggest holes in the bucket, man. Oh, that's like my little. That's like my little Tacoma truck. I mean, they're just dying. I want your truck. We need your truck.  They want to take my truck and take it down to the coast and sell it. Right. At a premium. Right.  Right. To. Right. And I told them, I said, hey, if I want premium dollar out of this, I'll just drive down to Houston and I'll make enough money. I can fly back. Right. Oh, I guess you're not interested, Mr. Ambrick. Yeah, you're right. That's right. And I flew down about Rachel's Lexus. I flew to Dallas and drove it home. Absolutely. Because it was so much cheaper down there than it was in Springfield, Missouri. Bought it in cash. I went to the bank, got a cashier's check, flew one-way ticket down to Dallas, Ubered from the airport to the dealership, handed them the cashier's check and drove the, drove the Lexus home. Hey man, thanks for being on the show. It's been good. Well, it's all been wonderful up to this point. So it's always good to see where my cohort comes from and I like seeing these stories and trying to put these things together. It's like a puzzle. Well, it's like a puzzle where you don't have the box top, you know. And every time I do an interview like this, it like gives me a little glimpse of the box top of the puzzle top. And I can see what the picture is. I can kind of see how the puzzles starts fitting together. And so it makes sense. So thanks for the legacy you've left through your kiddos. Well, I'm proud of them. They're doing me good. Yeah. Your strength training, getting strong. Your wife is too. You guys have bought into the strength training and we didn't even talk about that. But you guys, every time I come over there and matter of fact, as we speak, your wife is over there training with charity. And did you, did you have a perspective from somebody my age? Why would do that? Why would you do that? I want to be able to get up off the floor. Yeah.   Well, yeah. And there's also, you have the balance that goes long with it. It goes long ways. Yep. And you'll feel better. Yep. Yeah, I don't think we said it. So you're either 72 or 73. 75. I'm in my, I'm in my 70s. Yeah. Yes. Well, that's been an hour. I want you to say something. I know I'm really proud of you. You beat all odds. Yep. Nobody's supposed to do it. Well, you help me. Thank you. I can concentrate on raising my family instead of fighting a kid. You know, I mean, that says volumes. Yep. Yep. You know, a lot of people spend their life fighting their kids to keep them out of trouble and all this stuff. Yep. I've been blessed. So. Kind of. Kind of blessed. Because we know the stories about the World Book Encyclopedia's and the. Well, as a world term. And the male issues. Sorry. Well, love you dad. Thanks for doing it. Appreciate it. Thanks, man. Thanks for being on the show. Appreciate it. Keep up to good work. Thanks, brother.