Are we all muted? Yes. So, yeah, in the webinar scenario, yeah, so you've got to be a panelist to be able to speak. Yeah, sorry. It's a measure of draconian control. Yeah. No, I thought about that using the, well, there's some benefits to doing the webinar versus just the meeting capability, which would allow up to, I think, 100 people and we may use that instead. Tell you what, I'm going to reboot and I'll come back in, Christian. Okay. Be back. Excellent. Yeah, so, yeah, apologies for that. You know, that might actually, well, there's good and bad about that. What have you experienced in these huge activities on teams is that you're constantly asking people to mute themselves or just shut the traps because, you know, bounced voices and other things. And so, yeah, we're taking the written word, so sorry about that. Let me see. There's some questions that I always like to look at start off with the Office 365 community that's out on Facebook and see what the dialogue is. I know we had some unanswered questions for folks that were in and there's Joel. Let me, Joel, I'm going to promote you to panelists. There's some questions that came in around the education sector and problems that people were having logging in and accessing their license in teams. I apologize. I don't know the education sector and some of the issues around that. I know that a lot of login issues that really come from, depending on how the licenses were deployed, there's problems if you have multi-tenant logins. So I'm part of multiple guest networks, but I also have multiple tenant logins. So I have a full-fledged member with an email to three different environments. So my own and two partner environments or two client of my environments. And so you've got to be careful that sometimes if you log in, even as a guest into a session, if you are invited into a meeting with on the Microsoft tenant and you access, like if I access via my collab talk, I can still get to that meeting, but it disables a lot of the capabilities. And so if I switch tenants, which is getting easier now, it's far quicker than it was six months ago. But if I move over into that Microsoft guest network, and then I have all the capabilities that are there. So, all right, and so, see Joel has not rejoined.  That's a problem for some folks working from home. How did you know? It was just a guess. Yeah, yeah. So I do have something for you. What I saw on Facebook, I'm like, oh, I've been watching all of these, you know, groups of people that are singing songs in virtual. And I was thinking, you know, some kind of community karaoke. Oh, that sounds as wonderful as it sounds, Joel. Awesome. Well, that's, yeah, I was wondering if Zoom is the right platform or Facebook or maybe the way you're doing it where you're kind of combining both is the way to go. Well, so we did, so with our little family get-togethers every Sunday, so my father-in-law attempted to play guitar and get everybody to sing along to a song. It did not work out. So latency, people that were on phones versus strong connections. And so the Facebook Messenger group, it certainly wasn't a good solution. Maybe we could do that on Teams. Maybe we could do that in Zoom, but the Facebook was not the technology for it. It wasn't as good as Jimmy Fallon's group. No, yeah, I think there was some other prep that happened there. So we have an attendee raising their hand off and on. Oh, Sean, there he is. I see him. Okay, he's rejoining. Joel, are you going to join with video or are you in before? Yeah, I need to find a hat or something. I haven't had much shower this morning. Oh, there's Sean. Yeah, that's why I have my, I feel like this. Joel, so I still have my Sonic's hat that I wear. Very nice. I'm still angry about losing the team. I figured out what's going on with my video last week. Oh, really? Yes. User error, you figured that out. Well, apparently the camera did not like being plugged into a hub. So your sentient camera, yeah, disliked. Skynet didn't appreciate it. And so was registering. It's dissatisfaction with me. Oh, that's great. Well, let's see. Any questions coming through? So, oh, Gene's got a question here. Let me take a look. So question about teams. Hey, Santa Claus. There did it go. How's that? That's awesome. All right, see if you can bring a gift here to Gene's question here. He's got a couple. Question about teams. One thing that is annoying is the fact that you can only see four participants video. If you use teams and education, that is something that is a big issue compared to products like Zoom. Yeah. Yeah, and that's a limitation of the product, unfortunately, right now. Yeah, Gene, that's not so much a question as it is a statement that we all agree with. A Microsoft. I think the Microsoft's heard that one. I just don't know if it's something they've announced or not. They have not that I'm aware of, but yeah, they're working on that issue. Yeah, they're painfully aware, I think, of many of the team shortcomings at this point in time given our wonderful internment destination. Yes, there's anybody who knows how to get a preview of something like that. Have you experienced any of the throttling of features? You talked about reducing the quality of some of the video and some other. I don't know what the other reductions. That was the one that kind of caught my eye. There's any of you guys have seen? I watched a very granular Stephen Fry during the last product meeting we had MVP meeting. Not sure, but other than that, no, I haven't. And I think that was probably a function of bandwidth rather than for his own personal bandwidth rather than product. Yeah, could have been throttling for him, right? Yeah, I think that it's interesting. You see that where you really start to look at the feasibility of something on this scale.  But nothing really prepares you for real life and what happens. Case in point, every time you go to a conference, a physical conference, and on day one, the Wi-Fi is crap, and then they adjust on day two. That happens everywhere. Why are we still experiencing that? Do you think they would learn the lessons of that? It's that off by one order of magnitude problem. We estimated one level and need 10 times that much. It's the promise of 5G as well. It's like, oh yeah, as soon as we get to 5G it'll solve all this. But I think that as well there's a US thing where even though they know that they can give us better bandwidth, they choose not to. And I've got some first-hand experience with, and I'll call them out, cocks. They give me a limited one... And that's the service, not the declaration of what they are. Right, right, good call. They give me one terabyte of data. I've got five, you know, I've got three kids at home who are all the five of us who are all watching and consuming. Even before the lockdown, one terabyte in a household just isn't enough. Like seriously, why do you need to data cap me? And it goes from, it's like 50 bucks a month for my first terabyte. And then for the next 500, they basically, what is it? 5 bucks per 100 gigabytes after that or something crazy like that. So I don't want to have to watch my data seriously. You can't just give me unlimited. To get unlimited, I've got to pay 100 bucks. Not that that translates around the world, but still, it's like double my... I've got to pay double just to get unlimited. It's kind of dumb. Hashtag first world problems. First world problems, totally understand. Yeah. What we have the other discussion here is that, you know, the one... I'm on the western side of the valley. The east side has fiber, no fiber over here. All the new construction and stuff are on this side of things. So I was running the problem. I was paying for, I don't know what the throughput was of that connection, but I was paying like 75 bucks a month for like 40, I think, 50 down. And it was just, it was spotty. And then we also had the metered connection. And I switched over to Comcast Business and I'm now paying 200 bucks a month. But it's over 150 guaranteed SLA and I'm averaging about 180. So it's still not fiber, but until the last two weeks, you know, when we were empty nesters. So just two of us with my wife working out of the home and going to school, it was sufficient for my needs. Well, I'll send you a jug of metamucil.  Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It all seems like it's a ploy to get people to watch TV is what I found. Like, oh, well, I remember one of the ways I switched over to AT&T at one point, because, oh, well, we're going to give you the phone. We're going to give you the... I thought you were talking to coronavirus sponsored by Netflix. Seriously. And they basically said, we'll bundle all that and we'll reduce it by 20 bucks. But then a year later, they jack it all up and you're like, I just want the internet. That's all I've wanted the whole time. Yeah. You don't have to bundle it with all these other things. I don't care about those things.  I got to do the same thing with Cincinnati Bell fiber every year. I've actually set myself a reminder and outlook contact Cincinnati Bell this month because you're going to go up in price next month. And they'll say, oh, yeah, we'll be happy to give you the latest promotion. I'm like, can we do this automatically, please?  No, sir, we need you to call in. Okay, well, I got nothing against you, but sure, we'll do it again next year. Same time? Same day? Right. Right. Put it on his calendar. Yeah. Well, hey, guys, I was just looking through, I'm scrolling through the Office 365 community looking for any questions that have come up. There's obviously a lot of posts, a lot of questions about people that are working from home and best tips or suggestions for teams, for organizations that are, to be careful with my use of the word teams, small T teams, for organizations that are looking at how to stay connected, that kind of stuff. Any other questions, any other product questions that have come up? Gene had that good question. That was something that we've heard frequently. I see Adnan and Steven on as well. Guys, feel free to come join the discussion. Just scroll down in my profile, click on one of the links. Just the bit.ly slash capital MS lowercase community one. But anyway, any other questions that you guys have been seeing? You know, the one that I seem to continue to run into is people who they want to run their virtual events. They're not super comfortable with the team's meeting, but they're also not super comfortable with running it live. And some of that is because of the, it's like with go to meeting and go to webinar, there's a clear divide, hey, this is for meetings, use this for your webinars. But I think in teams, it's not as clear, even though those of us, you know, who've used it a lot, we know that there's that 250 limit on meetings. Most events would be fine using the team's just normal meeting. But knowing when to do it live and knowing when on the live thing, it's going to be complex versus just set it up, have one producer slash speaker, and you're good to go. It's the when you have multiple speakers, the people seem to be kind of flipping out and not knowing how best to manage it. And knowing what all the intricacies are for when it's okay to do a team's live meeting. The live broadcast. I don't know if you have any tips on that, but I've been in events where I'm like, hey, let's do this over teams. And a week before the event, they swap it out and say, no, no, no, we're going to do this on zoom or do it on live live meeting or go to webinar or whatever. And it's like, oh man, there's another missed opportunity where we could have done this on teams, but didn't. Well, and some people, I got this a lot from doing these, setting these up to like, why aren't you doing these inside of teams? It's like, well, the number one reason is that we're also live streaming it. So the idea is to get that bigger audience. And so I had then had a couple of people say, well, then you could go and use this other tool to broadcast to live stream. I said, well, then what's the difference if, if I'm then having three technologies or two technologies where I could just have one that does both things. There's nothing wrong with using the right tool to solve the right problem. And look, we live and breathe inside of teams these days. We do so much of our work inside of that. But for me, and I know that you have the ability to do the broadcast to do the presentation mode, the live meeting capability, which again, there's some, you know, go and get that set up to broadcast. But it's generally teams is generally focused on your network, your tenant, your employees. It has that, that focus to do things for anonymous access and public and that linking with the streaming is like, the technology is not there for Microsoft. It's not what its intended use is for that for teams. I know there's an awareness component to my wife and I were having this conversation. Yesterday, in fact, she, you know, she, like many of the other folks in academia, my wife's a college professor, she teaches psychology and is now in the position of trying to conduct office hours, meetings with her comrades and other folks, virtually. Do they refer to each other that way? Yeah, absolutely. This whole world of video conferencing is almost, it's like a light turned on because they became aware of it out of necessity. And everyone in that category seems to almost automatically gravitate towards Zoom. She just thinks Zoom is so, you know, it does everything she needs it to do and it does it easily. And I said, well, you've got multiple tenants that you belong to. You've got teams access. What about teams? I don't know anything about teams. It's an awareness thing. And though the capabilities may work in many circumstances, like you said, Christian, anybody who wants just to make it work and they don't want to piecemeal a solution together seems to, at least, I've got only one data point to draw on, but I can say with certainty that she and her fellow professors are the same way. They just see Zoom and it does what they need it to do and it works great. Well, here's a great example. So I have, you guys are probably both the worst, so I use Calendly. And why that's great is so that people that rather than having to do the emails back and forth to try and figure out, hey, we need to get together. What's a good time that everything works? It's like, well, it's linked to my entire calendar. So you don't need to come ask me when are you available, Christian, just go in and book the time and it's guaranteed it's available on my calendar. Because I block out time, my travel, all that, I block it out on my calendar so that I remember where I'm going, which is right now nowhere. Those little integration points can make all the difference. Yeah, and I do think that anybody who's watching would as well acknowledge that simplicity and ease of use is so important, especially when you're talking about family and you're trying to get grandpa and grandma on. It's like, if it's that much harder, guess what? It's got to be easy. It's got to be just click the link and it's got to just work the first time. Well, Harjeet makes a great comment and he's on here, might speak up in a second anyway, so he says that's because Zoom is known by the average consumer where Teams is more enterprise focused, which is exactly right. That's what they've gone after. So if Microsoft went and built an integration with Calendly where I could automatically through Calendly, it would schedule on my calendar and as me as the host, a Teams meeting, I would use that in a heartbeat and not use Zoom for that. Microsoft's gone open, but they're not that open yet. And Harjeet, welcome. Yeah, thanks. So yeah, it's true, Zoom is definitely well known by the average consumer. I mean, even non-technical organizations, whether it's an exchange student organization and stuff like that, that's what they use. So they are sending that stuff out. Case in point, because of this whole quarantine and stay-at-home situation, my wife's family, who are also all over the place up in Quebec and Chicago and things like that, they started a Zoom video chat about a week ago and do they know Teams? No, they don't.  It's that's why I do my chats and everything like that. But the average consumer is not going to know that. There's a lot of moving pieces that you have to do to get Teams to work for them, right? Hey, I'm curious, can you make this? I mean, this is, we're on Zoom, right? Can you make us Brady Bunch? So we can, we're not looking at the black screen? We are Brady Bunch. Yeah, they just haven't cut in video. Oh, I see. And I'm probably on the mobile interface. I'm not able to see that. I got to go re-watch the stream to be able to see us, huh? Yep, yep. You're on there. So there's three of us. So if, and there's Sharon. Nice. Good. Classy entrance. Oh yeah. By the way, I was going to show you, see if you recognize this one, Christian. Oh yeah. I was just worried that I, you know, I'm really happy with that design. For those that didn't, don't know what that is. So we just had our, so we re-branded our SharePoint Saturday event here in Utah. And we now called the Microsoft 365 Friday. I like the Churchill. And so moving it to Friday. And so we also tried to create a design. So that was done by Greg's daughter. Put that together. And hey. Sherm Sport Killers. That's another one. That's nice. I say it was my design, but it's not. It was Rackley's brother-in-law who designed that. So that's all I had to do is swipe right. Yeah, Matt comes up with some good wine. Yeah. He does a good job. Well, he's not doing them anymore. So yeah, I saw that one. There's a lot of truth in this. I have no idea where the music is coming from. No, it's not the music. It's the video, the video audio. Video, yeah, and music. Coming in, yeah. Well, yeah. So the, now I forgot my point that I was going to make about that. Oh yeah. So back to the Calum League capability, some of the integration. So I think we're, this is the kind of stuff where we have these specialized requests. We just need to make sure, like I've not gone and logged that. I've not gone on the user voice to see if somebody has made these suggestions. Like right now, fine time is okay. It's very limited. It doesn't really do what I want. And so that, again, that is focused on the enterprise. It's fantastic when you're juggling between, you know, 10 people on like three or four times. And that's a useful problem for the enterprise. Those stuff I need is more of the Calum League. I need it to be able to link to my calendar, allow people to go and auto create a teams meeting based on my availability and be able to share that link out to people. So I don't know if that's something that has been logged, but I'll magically wish it for Microsoft to consider that. Tickle, tickle, tickle. Thank you for the sound effects. Which tab in the browser was that coming through? Well, I think as well, when you talk about something like integration with the Calum League, I can imagine me the power automate people as well, be like, oh, well, you can do that by using this connector or that connector. And yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, that's not the integration we're actually looking for. Yeah, I know there's a way to do it. I just want it to happen easily. I don't want to have to tell my mom or your grandma what to do. Yeah. Hey, grandma, go build this flow. Okay, so any other questions you guys have heard? I don't see anything else posted. I want to know what's happening up north in Canada. I haven't heard from Charm yet. What do you want to know? How's life? Canada still exists. Yeah, there's various reports. And we had a pretty decent Sunday yesterday. And again, there's apparently some people hanging out. Are you talking about just in general, or are you talking about teams? I think they bring it to cannibalism. Life's more interesting. Yeah, life's more interesting with all the stuff, right? Technologies. Where are you at, Charm? Vancouver. Ah, Vancouver, okay. Yeah. Did you guys hear about my story crossing the border just over a week ago? Dangerous manure. Where are you? I live in Vermont. And the border is just about 30 minutes from my house. So my daughter goes to school at McGill in Montreal. Oh, okay.  I'm like, okay. So I drive up to the border and I have my nexus cut, right? No problem.  The border is dead. There's no one there.  Get back. And I go to lane number one. I said, okay. So I'm backed up. Go to lane number one. And the guy says, just giving me all sorts of business, right? Why did you go there? I said, I said, it's nexus. But why? Because I have nexus cut. You have it in your hand, right? So long story short, he says, where are you going and all that stuff? I said, I'm just going across to pick up my daughter. He says, the border is closed. You know the border is closed, right? I said, yeah, I do. But I said, this is essential travel. I'm going to pick up. No, it's not. He says, why isn't your daughter taking a taxi? I said, what do you mean take a taxi? He said, we have never done that.  Then at the last moment, I turn around and I said, by the way, I'm Canadian too. He says, you are? You got your documents. I ripped out my Canadian passport. And he's like, anything to declare? No, it's fine. So that's the only way I got in was because I have dual citizenship, right? So then on my way back, no problem. You know, ripped out my US documents.  I said, yeah, that's really surprising because they're not letting any parents through at all. And then I got flagged on the US side because of my international travels that I was doing in January and February, right? For Microsoft Ignite the Tour. And my last stop wasn't Dubai. And I came up as a health risk or something like that. Quad S, right. They pulled me over. They wouldn't let me go in. That's the biggest designation. Yeah, they give me a mask and then all this stuff.  So they come back after five minutes. All right, you're good to go. By the way, whatever could be 14 days. Yeah. Get coffee, bring a book. The last I've traveled was 30 days before that. Hey, Harjeet, where in Vermont do you live? Milton. It's about 20 minutes north of Burlington. Okay. I used to live in, in fact, spent many years living in Castleton, just Western. Ah, okay, yeah. But that sounds sweet. Well, here is a question that was just asked yesterday over on the 365 community on Facebook. Says, I'm assisting with setting up Microsoft Teams for a medium-sized business. I'm wondering if there's a way to link tasks in notes. So one note to planner. Do I need to add them manually? Or does anyone know of a free meeting agenda meeting and other integrations? Just asking for something. I'm not sure what she's asking for, but. Has anybody done that? Has anybody built any automation to link notes to planner? So chances are somebody's had that need. I've not had it myself, but that's the sort of thing that I can envision. I think the APIs are probably there to do it. Maybe some adventurous admin wrote a PowerShell script to do it. There might be flows to do that, but I'm not aware of anything. You probably have to do a lot of searching. You guys. Yeah, I think that there's, again, I'm looking at, somebody responded to the question and said that there's, hey, you can use flow and there's some out of the box. And I see, I don't see specifically the planner. I see the integration, this example, just into Teams. Well, graph goes into planner, doesn't it? There's a series of graph APIs that touch planner or integrations in front of it. Well, we had a few minutes ago, we had LaVec on the, on the Facebook page. Maybe he's still hanging around and he can come and answer whether he's aware of a specific. Somebody get Eurena, Yena on the horn. She'd know. Yeah. Anybody got the hot phone, the red line to Yena? Speaking of Yena, as the product manager at Microsoft, who is responsible for graph. Yeah, there's, let me see if I can get another person is Brian Jacket. Let me see if I can ping him. He tends to respond on the hot phone, the hot line. I keep saying hot phone. It looks like some of the other responses is that just people are using them, so they're attaching them manually. Somebody else, Jeff, Jill Neff Garnett says, use OneNote with Teams, which is, that's one way of, that's definitely a way to solve the problems is, well, if you're using, you're automatically using OneNote with all of your meetings. Just set that as the default to generate those things and have those inside of Teams. You're still then manually attaching those or go and create a flow, but those artifacts should then be in the system. Probably the messiest part of setting up that solution is that if you are, if you don't create your OneNotes in that centralized location, like in Teams, then it's just, you know, it's going to be very manual every time to go and locate those. The one person I was going to suggest who would know this is Heather Severino. She specializes in OneNote, Office 365 stuff, but she's not here. We'll chat with her tomorrow. She'll be on the tweet jam tomorrow. Okay, so. Yeah, and for those that aren't aware, if you're interested, so there will be a, so another technology that's not a Microsoft technology, Twitter, will be doing a tweet jam tomorrow. So Tuesday, the 31st, it's happening at 9 a.m. Pacific. I don't think I got that one. Birds will be tweeting. It's the digital literacy. Yeah, it's one of those things, where you've got to see the post about it. It's at the end of every month, on the last week of every single month. I've been doing this for, so it's January of 2012. I think I've only missed three or four months in all of those years. We got one today too. Well, the tweet jam, oh yeah, there's a lot of tweet jams going on, but this one on developing a strategy for digital literacy. And so it's over on my blog at Buckley Planet, and you can see the panel and anybody who claims to be an expert and wants to be on the panel and purchase. Oh, whoa.  Yeah, or that, yeah. Hey, just a quick note and aside, Christian, I will not be on tonight's session as well, and it's not because I've got my time zones wrong. I've got a board meeting for the non-profit that I'm part of. Of course. Yeah, we are going to be, anybody that's on this that wants to participate, so it'll be just at, where we move it to, 6 p.m. Pacific. So we, this is the AMIA time, and then we're doing an APAC time later today. 6 p.m. Pacific. I moved it. So I had something for the, that was supposed to be tonight and next week, and it got moved. And so that opened up. I will be on. Okay. Because you moved it. I'm looking at my calendar right now. That's 8 p.m. for you. That's 9 p.m. for me. 9 p.m. for you. That's what I said. See, you did it too. And you set the time. Yeah, it's 9 for me too. Three hours. But, Sean, I was there though. Well, when you set the time, you should be there. In theory, yes. I just couldn't do the math last week or had the time zone off really. I thought it was specific time, and silly me, you're not in specific time. Here's a question. I don't know the answer to. For the Microsoft Teams, the limit to public live events presenters. Is there a limit? So I know the participants is 10,000. Yeah, the participant side. I know that there's 15 wide. Yeah, 15.  That's the software. If you're planning an event and you want to have them all be running as live, basically, 15 is your max. But, I don't know what I'm curious about. If you were to have 15 presenters, like everybody's doing it all in the same meeting, that would be interesting. Interesting is not the word I'd use, Joel, but... Yeah, more than complex. I think I'd be more no BS too. Wait, so according to the Microsoft Docs, says you can have up to 250 presenters, but only 10, the last 10 who spoke, show up in the list. So they must be talking about, they're talking about the regular meetings versus the live productions. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, because that... Yeah, 250 is the meeting one. All right, yep. 250. So multiplex is 10 audio feeds. But yeah, you would want people to go off and on and off of mute, obviously, but... Yeah, mute is, again, your biggest friend. We've been experimenting with live events at my work because of actually today, right now, is the student information day. So usually they come on campus and stuff like that. Now they can't. So they've been... So all these different colleges and departments within the university are doing live events. So we had to go through about a week now with trainings and how to be a producer, how to be a presenter, how to push, things like that. So it's been really, really interesting. And one thing we discovered is that if you try to play a YouTube video inside of a live event, it doesn't push out the sound. You can see the video, but it doesn't do the sound. So you have to use like a third-party sound tool. I think it's the one we use as a voice meter. It's free.  And then you can hear the sound out. So what I did, so I have my mic on a boom. And what I did is I swung it over to the speaker and the quality was not there, but it worked. Well, sometimes low tech rules the day. Hey, Harjeet, I meant to say nice hat. Thanks. We lost Joel in his Santa cap. Joel, you're deliberately off video. Oh, yes. I'm on my... I'm using my phone.  But I can see the background. For some reason, my phone thinks I'm driving. That's interesting. I don't think you can hear me. Anyway, yeah. So there's a button that says, click this to speak, but I'm in safe driving mode and I'm not sure how to turn off safe driving mode in Zoom. Stop driving. Yeah. Seriously. Is that a fake backdrop? Yeah, it is. What do you use it? You don't want to see the rest of it.  I'm sure Hal's is real though. Sitting in a desert sunset. I was wondering as well if you guys could hear that somebody was mowing their lawn. I wasn't sure if that was picking up in the audio. No. Mowing the lawn or car engine. I guess you can mow your lawn in quarantine. Just keep your distance. What do you guys use for custom backgrounds in all these video chats? Like snap camera and stuff like that? Yeah. Yeah. What do you use, Hal? Well, what I used basically was Zoom. They had an ability just to stick in a picture. Oh, they do? And I just, yeah. And I just looked around and found a picture. The video settings, the start stop video and just choose a virtual background is... I'll use Zoom experts. Yep. So I'm just gonna, I'm in San Francisco now. I'm hovering about 20 feet off the ground, but I am here. Yeah. Don't lean back. Christian, is that your personal pick? Or is that like a list of... This is the generic Zoom stuff. I can't talk more right now because I wouldn't be able to breathe. Hang on. Why don't I have that? Why are my eyes bulging? Really, check ahead. That's nice. There we go. In this version, as I answer you, I pound my fist a lot on my desk. Yeah. That's a fantastic background. Best background ever. Yeah. It's right underneath video settings. Choose a virtual background. Oh, there you go. There you are. Perfect. You know where that is? That is in Montreal, actually. It's the convention center. That's very cool. Yeah. And it's really, really cool when you go on a day when... Legos. Every day the sun will hit it and then the shadows inside are colored. I love that. That's incredible. Amazing. Yeah. So many more reasons, sure. Why I'm looking to the north. Yeah, Montreal would be a pretty good choice, actually, to be quite honest. See, any other questions? Just looking at the different locations. While I'm messing with my background image, I'll leave that. Yes, one thing, while you're still digging around there, Christian circling back to Joel's question book, Canada, for a lot of, especially here in British Columbia, I think Ontario is similar in terms of the privacy laws and what governments can and cannot use and go into the cloud. So a lot of them are kind of scrambling now because for some reason, so both provinces are so fairly conservative in terms of going to the cloud. So it's delayed their entries into Office 365. BC has just opened up a little bit, but I think they're still leery about, you know, and unsure about what to use and what they can and can't do and blah, blah, blah. So as Zoom is now taking off as well, as well as Teams, some places are going, well, why don't we use Zoom? It's a little bit easier to get into. The unfortunate thing is that the data is not on Canadian soil. So that presents a problem. So it's something that a lot of organizations don't have to think about. Governments obviously do, and it's something to be aware of. That's one of the key things. Good to know. Well, there's, again, from key differences between Teams and Zoom, and I read about it. I saw that notice about some of the integrations. I heard about that a couple of months back, but just saw it pop up in the news again that there's going to be some kind of integration between the two. But it's the fact that, again, within an enterprise, you're able to then capture, record all of those meetings, which is a fantastic ability to be able to do. If we're having regular weekly meetings to auto-capture that, it automatically goes in and then transcribes it, translates if necessary, and then captures that recording inside the system. So it makes it then a searchable asset within your knowledge base. And so that's something that you don't have with Zoom. You would have to then upload that video over into and then go through that processing so you can automate that with Teams and just say, every time we do one of these sessions, I save it up into my environment. If I'm holding these in Teams, obviously we're using Zoom, so it's not going to work, but upload this video and it goes into that transcription. And I just love that capability to then go and build some of that additional automation and intelligence around that. That's where you're going to start seeing Cortana capabilities. So Cortana as an assistant, a digital assistant, start to pull out and say, hey, 15 minutes into this meeting that you had, it sounds like Sean created a task to be accomplished. Should I create that task and assign it to you or let's assign everything to Joel because of the hat, whatever? I think you can automate that. If Joel wears the hat, if Joel wears the hat, then take this action. Sign him all the tasks. That's pretty clever. I understand why the ball, the hat keeps disappearing, fades into the background. It's the gravity of the situation. We've got 10 more minutes. Any other questions that popped up? Probably everybody about you guys, the areas where I'm seeing the most questions are in the education sector. And that is clearly because with the schools all in lockdown. I find it's a combination of education and government, which is kind of interesting because government as well, there's a lot of confusion or teams is kind of very new to those in government and haven't had a chance to ramp up because it's so new. And others don't even know whether it's released or not. I've seen a lot of people just asking about when does GCC get this feature or that feature? And I think what's challenging for the people who are in enterprise but just don't know that particular set of features and we don't spend our times in that kind of tenant, it's difficult to answer those questions. I don't know if there's a really good, simple place where you can go and just point it, okay, well, this feature or that feature or this tenant. Anyway, being able to let people know what's coming to education, cloud versus government, cloud versus commercial enterprise. There's a lot of confusion. For what it's worth, Joel, I just posted a link in the chat window. And I just shared it over to Facebook as well. Yeah, Office 365 for Education. Lead title on the page is Get Office 365 Free for Your Entire School. It covers the various A plans, what they cost as well as what you get with them. Great. Probably a good starting point. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure there's a similar resource for the government as well. But it's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you. Yeah. Yeah, so besides those questions, which are, I mean, there's a lot of them, anything else that has been popping up recently that you've seen and possibly even answered already for folks. If not, we could also talk about, it was in our last eight minutes. See, just talking about what we're going to talk about just killed two minutes. Good job. No, kind of work from home techniques. I mean, one of the things that I'm trying to do more of, and this kind of goes back to friends that are in the video production service, but it's just to do more video just in general. And so it's just trying to, it's funny. I've been working from home for more than a decade, and yet I still enter meetings with video off. I do a lot of stuff. It has to do with your clothing choice for Christian. You also have to keep in mind the amount of bandwidth the video uses. I mean, we've got, for example, right here, six teams going and... Fair point, how? That gets to be taxing on systems. Yeah, especially folks on mobile. Well, one thing, working from home, a tip for any of our listeners right now is that to create what I've learned and what has been working well for me is the separation of space. So even if you're in a small, confined place, whether it's an apartment or whatever, your bedroom is where you sleep. Your living room and couch is where you go for entertainment or watch TV and stuff, and then so on and so forth. So the separation of space is, I feel like it's important because at first I was like, actually sitting in my living room on a couch and stuff and trying to work from there, but I'm always working all day long. So... Good point. And I feel like I'm being disrespectful to her, as we continue to swap our backgrounds. I see that.  There he is. All right, guys. I will have to hop off and I'll join the tweet gem in a little bit here. Well, the tweet... Oh, yeah, you got the other tweet gem. Well, good luck. Well, let's see. We do have a couple more minutes. I was thinking... I like that idea though of separation. I think that is important. Of course, easy for me. I've got my basement office here. Yeah, so what I've done is that I've calved out a space in my basement too, in a corner. So the walk from upstairs to downstairs is like the walk to work, you know, kind of a thing. So when I need a little break, I go back upstairs. I'm in the kitchen. I'm getting my coffee and stuff like that. It really, really does help separating it out.  So how was traffic on the stairs this morning?  Kids kind of got in the way, but otherwise, pretty clear. One thing that we talked about this last week, it's important to get up and move around a lot more often. I mean, I've got my fruity device that reminds me to get up to breathe and to stand up and that kind of stuff. But obviously with dogs, I'm out walking them, three, four times a day anyway, no matter what the weather is. But I've increased my steps.  It's not just about the physical movement. It's the mental break away from... Obviously, there are some times where I'm completely, you know, immersed in a problem or a document or a conversation and something suddenly you look up and two and a half hours have gone by. But it's important to have those mental breaks. That's one thing I did last week is I ordered a standing desk for my work from home. I was getting tired of sitting down and usually, you know, I work from home like at least once a week.  It's just one day. But at work, I have a standing desk and I never sit from the time I get into the time I leave I'm always standing and I find this, I feel more productive and more, you know, energetic, I guess. Then slouching like this. So I ordered one last week and hopefully it comes in this week. Yeah, one thing I'm going to add to this, and this is along the lines of, you know, mental health and keeping it all together. I'm going to post a link in the chat there. There are various links to it. For those of you who aren't familiar, DBT, Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, is really kind of a, it's a therapy style that really its focus is on mindfulness. And there are lots of different techniques you learn as part of DBT that are beneficial in situations like this where we find ourselves isolated, some more so than others. But for folks who don't have the opportunity to interact with anybody in a household and, you know, video doesn't always work, mindfulness is a great way to just, and the idea is you just anchor yourself in the here and now, kind of come back down to earth. There are various techniques you can do. This has been used for treatment of all sorts of mental disorders, behavioral abnormalities and problems, but just as a technique, set of techniques, they are great to know and taking a mindful moment, you know, every now and then to just anchor in the reality of where you are, what's going on, does a lot of good and can leave you feeling refreshed. You know, people sometimes talk about meditation. This is another set of techniques, not excluding meditation, but, you know, every little bit you can get in your arsenal helps, so. I've got a book I need to talk to your wife about, hang on. Only imagine. It's under my very large, my collection of throw-throw burrito games. Yeah, the kids have been dying to play that recently. Just shifted, but is this? Psychoanalytic diagnosis, who wrote it? So this is a textbook by Nancy McWilliams. Nancy McWilliams. Yeah, longer conversation is this leadership development program that I went through that was built by two friends, one a psychologist, the other one a psychiatrist. The psychologist worked in tech, worked for Boeing for 15 years or so. Interesting. And they went and they created this program. And so it's, you know, around the personality types and the idea of, to your point, though, something that's really big is being present.  And it's just so where it allows you to kind of turn off all of the noise around you. And it can be difficult to do. It definitely is a technique. It's like a muscle, you need to train it and to be able to get there and do that. But anyway, it's fascinating stuff, a longer conversation around this stuff. But it's fascinating. I'm not a big fan of how negative it all sounds, the personality types. You don't want to go into conversation and say, oh yeah, I'm a high-function psychotic. Yeah, that might be alarming. Social circles, yeah. I agree. So I went through months of DBT training. So it's something, you know, I've been immersed in and really believe in. It's helped a lot. I've used some of it with my kids. And it's good stuff. So we ought to have a session on that sometime. Yeah. Well, gentlemen, hey, we're at the hour. And if you're, so for those that are able to join, if you think of questions that we'd like to ask, we'll be back this evening for another round. But thanks, everybody, for participating. All right. Thanks, Christian, for putting these on. Yep. Talk to you later. All right. We're officially underway now. And hello, everybody. So this is the part two. So we're serving a late North America, or Americas, on this Monday evening here, or an early Tuesday in Asia Pacific. But this is the Microsoft Community Office Hours. And myself, Christian Buckley, here, as always, with Sean McDonough, as always. Might as well say that. As always. I guess. Sure. Yeah. Except last week when we had a little bit of a misunderstanding of the complexity of time zones. Yeah. This is true. Yeah. I came on as you guys were signing off. Yeah. So that was great. It's like, why didn't you show up at that point? Two minutes into it. But yeah. Yeah. My work here is done. Excellent. Good job. Yeah. So if you have your questions and would like to join us, then please do so. Otherwise, it's just us talking, and you're going to be bored. Trouble? Probably more trouble than bored. Because I think we've got some interesting things we can always talk about. Yeah. All right. Oh, and I see that there is a way to add the allowed to talk for attendees here. So learning something new every day of how to engage with folks. So you can use if you're joining us via the Zoom. We're also live streaming out on Facebook at a couple of different locations. So I'll be checking there on any questions. But you can post wherever you're finding us. You can post your questions. And we should have some others joining us in as part of the panel. But feel free to ask away. And yeah. Early Tuesday in Ireland as well. So well, good morning to you. That's bright and early in Ireland. Top of the morning to you. So Patrick has a question here. Well, actually first before we start with that. So Sean, why don't you finish up with the from earlier today the question and the answer you found. Yes. We were asked during the earlier session. What about one note and planner? And can. Is there a way to facilitate movement of I think tasks? It was specifically called out as tasks. From one note to planner via the graph API. And I found well actually Brian jacket found. My good buddy Brian jacket. He found the endpoints. They are readily exposed. And we've got a couple of links to help you on your way. As you integrate those with either power automate. Or build a custom solution. Whatever you choose to do. But the data is available through graph. And you can get it out of it. Out of a one note and into planner via graph. Yeah, there's there's a lot of goodness that's going on. Of course, there's announcements around the the future of tasks across all of Microsoft 365. And there's a video that was released. It's out there as in fact, caravanic team move from Microsoft. Part of teams Microsoft teams engineering. Did posted the video to her. I think she put it on her coffee in the cloud channel on YouTube. That was back in I think November October, November. I think it was aligned with Ignite last year. But there's of course a lot of messaging out of Microsoft on what's happening with tasks and the I've blogged about it. We've talked about it a little bit on here. I'm doing sessions on tasks. There's a lot that's available. So there's a more coming this year around tasks. And what we've seen with tasks and teams. And they're leveraging all of the various components that are inside of tasks. So basically you'll be able to see a task. Whether you're creating it, whatever surface you're creating it within. So if you're creating a task, it happens in Outlook or in OneNote or even in Word. Like when you mention and create a task, assign somebody to go and add information to a co-edited document. You'll be able to create a task and it'll be, you'll be able to surface that information in Planner and inside of Teams as well. Intelligent surfacing, yeah. Really cool stuff that's happening. So, yeah. And it's, you know, Graph remains, Microsoft's one solution to rule them all as far as getting access to data in the cloud. Universal API, that's right. Universal API, good way to put it. Well, we've got a couple of questions here, Sean. So we'll dip our toes into these. All right, so Patrick is asking, have you heard any new information about OneNote for iOS getting handwriting recognition? No, I have not. I unfortunately have not either. Yeah, are you talking about like the OCR capability just in, you know, no, I'm not up to speed on that. But if we are not able to answer these questions during the session, if we don't have somebody join who can't answer that, then we will go and, as Sean did, tapped into our good friend, Brian, and try and find the answer. So I will go take a look at, walk through those. Sure thing. Let's see. Patrick, also, is Vizio going to be integrated or is it still out in the cold? I'm still using Vizio. In fact, I'm using Vizio to put together a blog post, not the blog post content itself, but actually some of the blog post content. I'm putting Rewind. So I, Vizio out in the cold, I'm not sure what you mean by that. Vizio is still front and center for the things it's always done. I am building some class diagrams in Vizio right now with a couple of stencils and add-ons. In fact, I can even, well, he said I got these a long time ago. I don't know. They were freely available, but if anybody likes to build UML models, unified modeling language. Nobody likes that.  I do recall that, yes. Yeah, I'm a big UML fan, so Vizio does a good job with it. Vizio itself has the UML capabilities, but it enforces some really hard, you've got to put everything together. The stencils I've got allow you to use UML shapes. And whatnot with no constraints, so you can draw whatever you want. So let me see if I can find that. I think one of the issues too is that people have kind of lost sight of what's happening there, because I believe that the Vizio likes additional licensing. It's not part of, I don't believe it's part of E3. It might be part of E5. Or I don't know what the licensing deal is with Vizio. Honestly, I'm not, I used to be a huge Vizio person prior to Microsoft acquiring the company. And I just, I haven't been over the last few years. I mean, it's still, they've added a lot of really cool stencils. And I remember pushing, this was like what, eight years ago, pushing Vizio to add all of the infrastructural components for like SharePoint.  And when they went and added a bunch of those things, it's really cool. But yeah, Marcy's on there. Marcy is, why don't you just jump in the conversation over here, Marcy? Why are you hanging out on Facebook? Come on. But she's saying, I use Lucidchart to create process flows and then export to Vizio, still use it. Yeah, no, it's still out there. I mean, I've got it. I've got it installed. It's been like a year since I used it. But it's getting a lot more intelligent. In fact, I think it was about two years ago where they were talking about, it was at one of the MVP summits, maybe three years ago, but we were referring to it as Vizio as a service. And I just haven't been following it closely. So I'm just out of the loop and what's been happening with it. Yeah, I mean, I've got Vizio open on my desktop right now. So it is an active user one. Someone's humble bragging there. I've got it on my desktop right now. Got it open on my desktop, rather. Yeah, I pasted a link in the chat to the stencils that I use for UML. And it goes back for various... It goes back to Vizio while it's up to 2013 now and we've got UML 2.5 support. So... You know who Kendall Scott is, right? The UML, Mr. UML. Name rings the bell, but... Yeah, because he wrote a bunch of all the books on UML. Anyway, he's co-author of my third book. Oh. So, anyway, yeah. Name drop. Haven't talked to him in a while, but yeah. In fact, I got in touch with my old editor from that back in my... That was my... For those that don't know what we're talking about. So I had a startup back in the late 90s that we sold to Rational Software in January of 2001. And then they got bought by IBM, I think later that year, like a year later. And all that stuff got rolled. All that fun stuff. So yeah, so I wrote three books in that world. Yeah, good times, good times. All right, let me take a look at other questions on there. So, Patrick is talking about illegal use of licenses on laptops. Yeah, so I don't know what the question is there. I'm kidding, Patrick, yeah. Or maybe, I don't know. Get a five-finger discount on the Visio license. Yeah, and Patrick is saying that he's talking about Visio again. He'd like to be integrated so his kids could use it for diagrams without having to purchase a license. Yeah, again, I don't know the extent of the Visio license is how many devices you could have that on there. I thought it was with most of the Office 365 stuff. I believe it's five installations, five devices, you could have that on. Yeah, I thought it was under the same rules as well. Yeah, but no, I mean, it's the leader in that category of products. It's funny, I just went and did a search in Visio in Office 365 and like the first, of course, there's Visio. No, the first one, two, three, four results I get back are all number one competitor or alternative to Visio. Yeah, so someone's failing at SEO there. I guess, yeah. Any other questions out there? Anything else that's, you have questions about teams, about SharePoint, about any Office products, anything inside of Office 365 that we may or may not be able to answer? Or make fun of. Or make fun of, yeah, talk about our inability to answer things. Because dealing with this, yeah. Yeah, you never know. I'm going to put the link to join the Zoom, if anybody would like to come over. Then there we go, yeah, there it is. Now it's a link. To get it right this time? I did get it right. Thank you, John, for pointing that out. Very good. I got the link right and I was also on time. And you were too this time. I was. You know, I'm not going to just let that drop. No, of course not. Nor should you. Yeah. On day one, here's what Sean did or didn't do. Didn't. Didn't in the alternate reality. Any chance of a Zoom-like magic number sign on to teams? Magic number sign on to teams. I don't know what that means, Patrick, nor do I. What's with the rumor about free teams license for people, tried to get it set up for my parents and got stuck in an endless loop saying, they need to sign up. What am I missing? Yes, Marcy, user error is a complex topic to discuss. What you specifically did wrong, I don't know. But I've heard people having this issue. I don't know the answer to that. Have you seen that or seen any of the responses to it, Sean? No, I haven't. I'm unaware of the situation. People having trouble signing up for free teams? Yeah, apparently. Well, at least Marcy.  Well, yeah, there's your response, I guess. And the McKenzie is sharing with the world that Coronavirus was created by the US government. Thank you. I just showed my kids the John Oliver segment. The most recent one, yeah. You look at my Facebook wall at another time. It's pretty funny. Darkly humorous. Yeah, I love his stuff. And I may not agree with him politically on everything, but I do enjoy people who point out absurdity, stupidity, and other such things. And he is fantastic. There's plenty of that in this segment. So, all right, still waiting. Yeah, so Patrick, if you scroll up, I shared the Bitly link over to it. So, if you join in as an attendee on Zoom, and I can add you as a panelist, is it asking you for, it shouldn't be an ID on there. It should just be click. There you are. Get Reflector out of the way here. John. Hello, John. Hey, what's up? Hey, how's it going? What's going on? Pretty good. How about yourself? Pretty good. We're holding up. Yeah. That's pretty good.  They even had like a, like a hazmat suit out. It was, like, kind of a jammer, man.  A hamster. Yeah. So, yeah. Hazmat suits can be pricey, depending on, you know, level A, level B, level C. Yeah, I'm gonna get rid of that one, so. There we go. So, Patrick, hang on. Hey, Patrick. You're on mute, Patrick. There we go. Got it. There we go. Hey, Patrick. How are you? Doing well. How are you? You're great. Yeah, my question about the team's thing, that whole magic, the meeting ID thing that Zoom uses, it would be nice if we had something like that in Teams. Otherwise, you end up having to drop the link and do an invite. You see what I'm saying? And I don't follow. All right, in Zoom, you have the meeting ID number. Right. You don't have an equivalent to that in Teams. No, you've got to have the link, right. And I guess some people who have difficulty with those links, because whatever they're accessing or the security at their site won't allow links. So, if I give them a meeting ID, they can go in. Gotcha. Yeah, it would be nice to have something like that, but. Yeah, part of it, and we talked about in our session this morning, that's just a little bit different, because it's for, they've not pursued some of the features which are common with anonymous access, like some of the problems that we're having with people jumping on and talking crap in the chat. And so, having, it's a more controlled environment, because it's meant for enterprises, rather than like a webinar and allowing anybody in there. Yeah, social service agency. And we have clients who have cell phones that want to get in on the chat, and they're not part of our enterprise. They're just normal people off the street. And we can't give them, this requires security to get them in on Teams. So, we have to. Yeah, there's, I know that there's extra net solutions that allow different capabilities. There's, I know a lot of requests for Microsoft to provide some simplified access at exactly what you're saying. So, if I could just share a link or anybody can go and log in their environment and use, like in Zoom and use a one meeting password to get into that. Yeah, I mean, there, I've seen the request in there. I don't know if you've seen, if you look to see if it's in user voice. I haven't, as they say, I don't have much control over the actual IT department on our side. You can still go in a couple things. I mean, in user voice, you can see if somebody else has logged it. If not, you can go and create it. It doesn't matter if you're in IT.  If somebody has, You have a Teams client on their phone, wouldn't they? I'm sorry, I missed the first part of the question. They have a Teams client installed on their phone? It doesn't matter what you have it installed. I mean, user voice is independent of that. Oh, okay. If you want to make the request, so. Yeah, I'm working with almost people, low-income people who barely have enough computer skills to use the phone and get on the way. So, the fact that like all, I'm doing 19 different Zooms a week. At the moment, because of our coronavirus thing. Yeah. And, you know, we use Teams internally and I'm having to flip back and forth, flip back to Teams, talk to my team here, and then back to Zoom to communicate it. It's just incredibly frustrating. Yeah, understood. Yeah, no, I agreed. I think there's, that's why you have a lot of, you know, folks that are, sorry, folks that are, have these scenarios where they just need to, you know, quickly and easily add solutions that are looking at these other extranet solutions. You know, Teams is just, it's a little more structured, but that's why I said, I highly recommend you go and make sure that, you know, check out user voice under Teams, just do a search in there, see if anybody has entered something. And if not, if you end up creating one, then share that out there. If there are more, I think it's five or 10 people have responded, like upvoted your user voice, then Microsoft will respond. Okay, good. Yeah, it does, it's a pretty low barrier for them to go in, at least take a look at it. And they'll usually respond back and, dude, they'll take a look at it, and if it is part of a, on the roadmap somewhere, buried, we didn't see it or something, then they'll share that information, or they could come back and say, we have no plans for this item.  Yeah, and then the office licensing thing, did you quite catch what I was after there? Because we've got four people in the house, we've got four more connections externally for school, friends, teachers, what have you, and office is licensed per device. So, you know, we end up with this weird situation where we have to create a fake email ID, buy a license for it, so that devices in the house can have an office copy usable once we hit the limited six licenses. It's quite often we'll have like group projects or whatever for kids, and they'll have their friends over, they'll all be using office, or word, or whatever, and we've got these family licenses that we've created so that we can get ourselves plus the kids on, and get them, everyone working together on a six person license, or actually two six person licenses. It's another one of those slightly weird situations, but this homeschooling with the coronavirus is really pushing numbers on that right now. Right. Yeah. That's one reason Marcy was going to join us with her question about the free teams, and understand, you know, the issue that she's gone through. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy. Maybe she ran off with Charlie Brown. Yes. Social distancing. Exactly. Anyway, well, hey, well, Patrick, thanks for jumping on. Oh, no problem. No problem. No, I've been with Office for Ages. I've still got the standalone version of Teams that they dropped at one point. That seems to have disappeared once they decided to make a part of Office 365. Remember that one? Well, it's always been a cloud service. I'm not sure which. There used to be a downloadable version of Teams. That wasn't specifically tied to Office. You could use to access an enterprise. Standalone. Yeah. Not familiar with that. Yes. Yeah, I've been, you know, we first saw Teams as MVPs. We heard about it and saw it. Well, I guess what the, we officially, we saw it at the launch, but, you know, I've been using it or running my business on Teams since January 1st of about three years ago now. Yeah, it's been a cornerstone after Skype. Oh, the Skype for Business. Don't forget about that. Yes, indeed. Yeah. So I take a Skype for Business. Goes away. Skype goes away and it all gets replaced with Teams. That is the roadmap. Now, the other thing, I have one of those weird domain name connections that they were offering for a while that they sort of since deprecated. When you pay for the office license with advertising eliminated, you pay that 20 bucks or whatever. And in return it also lets you set up a domain name. It was originally aimed at small businesses. And I still got, I hope it stays or otherwise I have to go get a domain name again. Was this a Microsoft offering or third party? Microsoft. You can pay to have ads taken out of Outlook, but you could also set up a domain access. So you could go P-Wingard at red17labs.org. Go register red17labs. Set up the domain information and your email would come into red17labs and go into your email box. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know what the... Have you gotten any communications from Microsoft? I would assume you would. Not recently. At one point they've officially discontinued it, but they kept it for the people that already had it. I had grandfathered in. Yeah, and it's really handy because it means that I can go to sites where I'm required to have a business address and use that. Right. Even though I'm most of the time operating under my own name as a business. So I'm using Hotmail or whatever and the site won't take it. If I go in under red17labs.org it'll take it. Sure. Yeah, I understand that and I'm sure Christian does too. Yeah, this is responding back to a couple other questions. So just apologize to jump it in here, but yeah. So Richard was asking the reasoning for using Zoom versus Teams Live meetings or Teams Live meetings. Those are cons. And as I responded to the back that the reason why we're using Zoom for this is the live streaming. So for doing something like this, we talked about this, hey, why don't we just use Teams and have everybody in there. But one other feature that I like is like we had earlier this morning, we had six people on screen. Six or seven at one time, which you can't do in Teams today. And so being able to have everybody faces up there, but it's really about the live streaming. And why are we live streaming on Facebook is because that's where we see a large amount of the community congregating and to be able to reach people. So rather than doing email and social blasts out to, hey, come join a broadcast of a team live session, a broadcast in which you are limited then the number of people that can co-present. And then we can't have this level interaction that we're having now with people jumping in. So yeah, that's a hard part of your organization. Exactly. Right. Well, and so Richard points out is I did read that Teams is going to add more than four attendees. Yeah. So we're waiting for that. That's been talked about. It's been a highly requested feature that we're just waiting for that. I see Marcy now. Let me let me Marcy and Sherm's here too. Yay. We've had a 16 person zoom up this morning for our bread making seminar. Nice. Bread making. Yeah. There's a lot of talk about making bread. And he actually does the whole process. And then everyone that's zoomed in can see the process for making bread at home. That's awesome. Nice. Yeah. I just do language teaching. We do decluttering, you know, socially relevant client focused seminars and opportunity for these microphones. So we've got Sherman on almost, almost here. And Marcy as well. You can't see my face, right? Why don't we? Correct, Marcy. You can't see your face, Marcy. Ah, come on. It's because I had Teams open, I think. Oh, it's just a little yes. It's not allowing you to use my camera. That was like a Don Knotts response, Marcy. Oh, there it is. I saw you throw the bedroom window. So I think I understand what Patrick was complaining about a minute ago. I can't switch from Teams to Zoom immediately. I don't even know how. Anyway, I think I have to leave and come back. But you could come in through Skype though. The Skype and Zoom work well together. Yeah, that's true. There's always a reboot. Yeah, Marcy's leaving and then come back. I could have gone in on Facebook or on Facebook Live, but it was really weird when I first joined. All of these people who are definitely not into SharePoint joined because I think that when it said I was joined, I was live on Facebook. Everyone got an announcement that I was live on Facebook. And I bet they were so disappointed to watch Christian and Sean. That's generally the response for Sean and I. So we're definitely me. Yeah. That was the best. Okay, I'm going to jump right up. All right. Hey, Sherman. Cat up if that would help. Hey, I think she was starting a Facebook watch party or something. That's what was going on. Yeah, well, that's what happened too. I've got the watch party that's broadcasting over on the Office 365 community. So that's going. It's streaming on my page as well.  So my baby sister just jumped on. Really? Yeah. She's over Midwest somewhere. Family. We've got family. And let's see. And then Marcy will come back. Marcy's awesome. So I'm glad that she'll be on and she'll ask her, pose her question that we've already determined that Sean and I can't answer it. Maybe Sherman can help. Marcy's just west of me. Plenty of social distance between Cincinnati and Indianapolis. Why I'm coming in from Toronto, Ontario. So. Ah, yep, north. Hey, yep. I just wish that you would realize that they give everything in the American place. They go to Amazon. They double it again. And there's the docs. We get reading pretty badly up here. Sherman looks like you're adding. Adding what? I don't know. You tell me. Adding? You're making these minor mouth movements. Oh, no, I think it's, I think it's because, so I only have, I think the whole background thing, like, you see that? That's actually like the lake or something. Actually, that reminds me that new technology that teams and sports have for silencing background noise. Is that going to be part of the family edition or not? Christian, you're on on mute. Yeah, so I was, yeah, that's also, that's forthcoming. Yeah. In fact, there was, I'm trying to think if the, if there was an update, Office 365 update that just said it's forthcoming or there's an article. No, you know what it was? It was a Redmond magazine article. They're talking about some of the features that they're pushing out here in the next. The way they're presenting in that article, if I'm thinking the same one, is it was only for enterprise? I didn't read that. I don't know how they would determine which are enterprise and which are not, but yeah. So I think it licensed us as a family. We've obviously got that figured out somewhere along the line. Yeah. We just have to check the license. That's why I'm interested to hear. And Marcy, are you there? I am here. Still having video issues? Can you hear me? Yeah, it's just, do I want to use a different one? Um, I don't have a different one. Why is it, I don't know. Do you have teams open still? No, um, it's still running in the background. Yeah, that's usually the case with this. It's still running in the background. And then we have to go through this whole thing again. But I want to show you guys this really cool background while I tell this. We'd love to see it. And so here we go one more. How long does it take for teams to shut down? Because I don't want to do it again. So Patrick, we have just given everyone and they understand now what your question about switching or your challenge about switching back and forth between teams and Zoom. So this I would call user error because I have to remember to close it every time. It's generally user error. The other one is not. It is definitely a Microsoft loop. Yeah, but I'll ask the question so you guys can jibber jibber about it while I go out and come back. But so I was trying to, you know, everybody's talking about, teams is free for everyone now in limited capacity. But, you know, people can have teams. And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to qualify. I can't really find anything on it. And so I was like, let's just download it. Got him a new computer was installed. Gave him one of my licenses for office 365. Got him set up. And then I'm like, let's do teams now. And so I download teams and then I they're already signed in. And when I open teams, it says sign, sign up. So I click sign up. That's my only option. And then it takes me, yeah, it takes me to a login. I log them in again. And and almost all of this is remotely. I installed team viewer and then ran out the door. So I was doing most of this remotely. So I don't know if that has anything to do with it. But the it takes me to sign in. I sign in teams opens back up and it says sign up. And then but I look in the top right corner and it says signed in as my dad's name. And I'm like, so I try it again. I click sign up and it takes me to a login again. And we just do, I just was like, I don't know how many times I can do this, but there wasn't any other option. I think that is a case of this new teams features is supposed to drop till April 21st, is it? You may be working on the enterprise version, because I get that same thing when I try to go in myself. Because I don't have a business license of Office 365. I have an E3 license. They have no license for, they have like just a business user license. Marcy, that sounds like basic authentication. Issue. Well, it happened to my sister as well. We were going to all play Uker. We were planning on how to enjoy each other's company. And while we were online, I mean, while we were in quarantine, and this did not work for us. So we're all sad. And now my mom's like, well, do you zoom? And I'm like, are you kidding me, mom? She's like, yeah, it's super easy. Well, I can't wait to tell her this funny story. But maybe I won't have to be her IT person anymore. I'm just kidding. It's been a pleasure. All right. I'm coming out, leaving and coming back. Hi, Sherman. I didn't get to say hi. Hey. Okay. Yeah. The authentication issue with teams and being part of, you know, multiple organizations with multiple IDs, that is something that teams just does not do well. And these days, many people work for many different organizations and have different IDs. So if Zoom handles that. Look at our own business plus an enterprise that we're contracted to. That's quite often common. Yeah. So I know that. Redmond's aware of it. Hey, there's Marcy. I know they're aware of it in Redmond. And I want to say like two or three summits ago, MVP summits ago, we were told that they were working on a solution to like federate. But we still do not have a viable solution other than to sign out or to kind of co-opt both the team's client as well as the web interface with incognito modes and Chrome, different Chrome profiles. I don't want incognito mode. Right. Yeah. I don't blame you. You know, so I had an interesting issue. It was a inadvertently resolved doing something else. But what it was. So as I mentioned, I was used started using teams and running my company on it day one three years ago. So shortly after launch. And so I had not guest access, but I had full access to three. So my own tenant and two other tenants. So I had emails for these two customers and would log in as an employee into those environments.  And there's something that happened and it was when they enabled the guest access. But essentially it I was logged into one of my customer tenants in the electron desktop application. And it essentially it burned in the credentials for that login. And from there going forward would only allow me on both mobile and desktop versions. I could only log in to that customer. So I couldn't get into my own environment except through the browser. At the time there was not parity between the capabilities. Long story short is that hat that it went on for about a year. And I did multiple calls to Microsoft trying to root it out. And it was reinstalling stuff and it couldn't figure out. And it was actually a conversation with Michael Noel. So a fellow MVP who talked about seeing this issue that it was an Azure AD issue. And so I it was frustrated by long phone calls with with Microsoft support and even having premium support going through that. But there was a entirely different issue where support was going through and they essentially reset my profile and cleared like the Azure AD like whatever was cashed to whatever stored there kind of reset everything up. And it restarted it. And it has fit and it fixed the problem. So in Michael basically confirmed he says yeah there's just something that's cashed on your ad against your Azure AD that's causing that problem. I'm not saying that that issue that's what is being experienced in this that you know in some of these scenarios. But it's just one thing that you should go and look into. You know so you're looking at the Azure level. Hal just dropped a link in the. Hal's on here. Hal you can talk. He's he's muted. He's muted but he dropped the link in the there. Yeah hi you hear me. Yeah Hal. Yeah we hear you. Okay very good that link is something that I ran across early today. I think I've still got it which is a way to clear the Microsoft clean teams client cash. Which is I had a problem. Great image too. Yeah and so in my scenario like I ran through that that didn't solve the problem that I'm talking about. But there we go. But it could it could solve others. Other issues. Yeah I'm going to hold on to this one Hal. Thanks. Yeah well that's something that I've got to kind of try because I have I have kind of issues with this. I've got a company client which means I've got a company login and rolling shore address. Also for half of the stuff that I do with Microsoft teams the various teams channels that are coming up for Excel or PowerPoint or what have you. Those have my atlive.com address. And therein lies the problem because while I'm I'm part the the the rolling shore address is part of the of the my Microsoft Glit guest tenants. Only those channels teams that have that address as part of them show up. Which means like for example the summit I had to log in as a tv wizard well the the live that anyway I had to use that account and The channels that are assigned that showed up the summit showed up but none of that it shows up in the other tenant so I'm constantly hoping to come up with Trying to change tenant tenants and I've got one issue right now and one of my browsers where I say log me out of the of the of the business business tenant and it logs out and I what do you want to log in and I said no matter what I do I run up against an issue that that I'm that whatever that that login is not part of the business clients guest list or accepted list and it just dumps me out so yeah it's yeah it's the how that's it like in fact it got brought up at MVP this is like we've all been experiencing this is like I have my old Microsoft ID and then I have my company and I have my email that I've been using for the last you know three and a half years and and they're they're different and Microsoft you know needs to give people the ability to tie them together we are one in the same and so I'll get invitations to participate in various teams activities and other stuff and Microsoft official communications will send things because my Microsoft you know MVP award is tied to my Microsoft ID which I don't use for anything except for those things that Microsoft sends me to and so half the times and I'll click on a link and I'm guessing like is it to me is it to my Microsoft ID you know and and I'll I'll have to log out or occasionally ask people can you please resend that invite so I can actually get in it's my work email not my Microsoft ID yeah so there's just that that's that federation that they need to enable us to do and I've got an equally interesting thing there's one Microsoft site I go into there will not take my ID because it's hotmail.ca rather than hotmail.com the .ca only existed for like three months before Microsoft scrapped it and I've got one of them but I there's certain US Microsoft sites I can't get into with it annoying you can't even log into a hotmail.com I like I kind of like Sean's okay no um how about that does that show up facing the right way yeah yeah it does even though it looks wrong when you're looking at it Marcy on your own screen I think I'm going to have to steal that idea because some of our social client conversations will be in hands play that they might get a chuckle out of it no I don't well anyway before they run out of um non-essential items on amazon this is this plus that backdrop is 1299 are those like the felt ones that you could have like a felt board behind you or it came with a stick I'm supposed to put them on sticks oh yeah and um it just came in the mail and it's it's sitting on my counter um but I have all sorts of plans for all the I ordered a lot of backdrops I I figured we'd be in quarantine for a while what you're gonna be have the time what you need to do is on your desk you need to have a like a series a series of buttons but as you push the button the oh no you're not gonna go do sign the creamer thing from the side oh my gosh I could actually rig something I could totally rig something yeah it had it has to come with like a senate that has it like boom booya all right marcus with creamer guy that has all the buttons he's always funny to watch yeah so let's see if there's any any other questions uh let's see uh so Richard so back over on the community the watch party Richard asks um well kind of follow up to the question of why we're using zoom again uh yeah we're we're not doing this to mock microsoft with teams I get most of the day I'm on teams doing everything uh you know community related activities all of our user group sessions are within teams we're using both the live live meeting in my view that's pointing to Sherman this guy's nuts yeah um but the um yeah uh but no we're the the reason why we're doing this on zoom is because we are doing the live stream so we're just trying to reach that that broader audience and and and one of the reasons why there's a lot of requests from microsoft to provide anonymous access and other capabilities to to essentially make teams enable it to be a uh is that is that an actual cat there Marcy is there a delay yeah uh sorry I I'm not that big of a question yeah there is but where is your camera how where can you see well this because I was over I'm over on the watch party I'm what was looking the lay is between the ears yeah it is an actual cat okay all right there we go this is how he just wants me to hold him so relaxed yeah very nice don't feel too bad my cat sleeps on my chest with her back paws around either side of my face I wake up with a bad case of cat butt yeah wow yeah anyway so so long story short um we're using um so microsoft is under has heard the requests about doing some of the more webinar type capability it's it's not the the the use cases that they built teams around which is more for the enterprise but recognizing this like we were talking about in fact um that you know Patrick joined us and was asking questions around saying hey there's still scenarios where people don't have uh you know full licenses or any license of this but I need to involve them in these things how do I not even part your organization right so that you know whether they're in or out of the organization doesn't matter I need to occasionally pull people in by email I need it to have that that you know ease of use as you do using zoom or go to meeting or any of these other you know external tools or or so don't hand me a business team process right so they so they they're they're aware of those uh of those requirements but I'm not aware of the request that Richard's other half of that question is is live streaming on the team's roadmap no not that I'm aware of um and so their recommendation of course they have their uh streaming technology is there's mixer I don't use it so is that there's mixer it is more of a gaming right but people have used mixer or v mix or twitch or other things where they're able to go and do things within teams and invite people into teams and then do the live streaming or uh what's the restream is one like Darrell Webster part of the regarding 365 team um out of Auckland so he's a big restream you're getting off into territory I don't know yeah so that you're actually able to do live stream um you know synchronize live streams on multiple platforms which here we're just doing out on facebook so I you know we might move to doing that so that we can do things within teams for the people that are you know participating like this panel and then just let everybody else uh you consume that uh that that stream via youtube and facebook or twitter all right so we've got just a couple more minutes any other parting shots um so Sean you're you were talking about your next uh gigs in Reno and you're appearing on stage in Reno in Vegas is that right uh sure the post quarantine world's going to be so different because this is what we'll expect now that's right well you know that's that's a great point like it'll be interesting to see the effects of this period however long it takes a weather more organizations um like I interviewed uh with with a company with a couple companies funny I've been collaboration tech since the late 90s and yet most of the companies I worked for did not have work from home policies they wouldn't allow it I even the time I was with Microsoft it was like pulling teeth to be able to be able to work from home one or two days this was a topic this morning too yeah yeah we were talking about yeah I just want to be able to jerk that leash well it'd just be interesting to see if companies that because they were forced into this scenario whether they'll then because we know it won't just go snap back to normal that it'll be this effect this long-term effect on hey we're going to have to reduce the number of in-person activities around this and be more flexible for the roles that are able to uh work from home if not full time at least part time and so I think it's going to be you'll boon to these areas that you're Microsoft and and various competitors that are in this space well before this happened Ontario was having a big debate over having two distance education courses added to the curriculum and I think that the base now been solved yeah my wife's in education and she's a college professor and she is now forced to hold office hours online she's been meeting with students through zoom typically she had a department meeting today where her comrades got together with her and they all discussed situation so I think we're going to see a lot of changes stick the biggest problem is you're now always on and always available and she's actually started saying you know I am not available after 10 p.m. till 9 a.m. kind of thing well that gets down to the personal boundaries issue sending that yeah we talked about this this morning too yeah it is so critical to do that too like we talked about in our session this morning of uh just you know like uh I love how you've seen some people that have blogged about and tweeted about setting up the smart lights like if it's red around the door on the outside of the office door don't come in I'm on your broadcast you have that letter I like that yeah a few people have done it so Sean's got it as well I'm gonna set that up that's this is actually I know it the the color's off but it's red right now yeah so I've got my little my little flick my smart button here which I have set up it does two controls so one uh hooked up to my phone it'll you'll cross the room I can snap a picture I never use it and the other the other the other thing that it does if you hold the button down it makes fart noises which is so useful it's so many scenarios I thought about I could always rewire the take a picture feature to turn the light red or green I'm not giving up that other feature though yeah no that's a keeper that's a keeper though yeah did you did you already do it what did you push that button no I'd like to hear it what are you saying what did you hear who told you no uh and we're out of time we're just and we'll have to cut there we should all look really offended after he does it and somebody asks a viral did I say all the time teams smell vision smell vision oh geez yeah I don't I don't see a lot of people angling for that feature it's not in user voice the smell realize they need it yet yeah so don't want that blown at me I think people do realize that they don't need that so well thanks everybody for participating we like and uh for those that uh you're wondering what we're doing here again well this is every monday so we'd be back at two times so both from a pacific time frame it's uh eight a.m and six p.m and so we'll be back next monday so hopefully if you've got save up your questions come and ask and thanks for everybody for being on the panel and joining us as well yeah and you'll sign me out because they don't know how to sign in on this one yeah I'll shut it all down thank you all right thanks a lot everybody see you later bye thanks take care everyone


and welcome back to History and Philosophy of Science and Medicine. I'm Matt Brown. Today, we're going to be talking about Paul Fireabend and his book Against Method. We're going to be talking a little bit about what the scientific method is, or if there is such a thing. We're also going to talk about the Galileo case and the Copernican Revolution to some degree. Now, a little bit first about Paul Fireabend. Fireabend was born in 1924 in Vienna. Growing up, as a young man, his academic interests were in physics and astronomy. But he was also quite interested in theater and in music. And he reportedly had a great singing voice and spent a lot of his young life trying to figure out if his direction was going to be scientific or artistic. And in the end, of course, as we know, he ended up in Philosophy of Science, which perhaps is a middle ground. Now, while Fireabend was a college student, the Nazis rose to power in Germany. And after the German occupation of Austria, Fireabend was drafted into the Nazi work service. Fireabend subsequently ended up, during World War II, volunteering for officer school, not on his own account because he had any particular ideological or even nationalistic commitment to the German cause, but simply because he thought officer school would take so long that the war would be over by the time he had graduated. That's not what happened. And he did see fighting. He fought on the German side on the Eastern front. That is against Russia. And he was wounded in battle. Shot, a bullet lodged in his spine. He was temporarily paralyzed and permanently disabled by the wound. He ended up, as I said, pursuing graduate work in philosophy. So he worked in Philosophy of Science and Philosophy of Physics. Originally, he was very much influenced by the work of Ludwig Wittgenstein and Karl Popper. Ended up working with Popper in England at the London School of Economics for a while, and then spent much of his career at the University of California at Berkeley, as well as taking appointments in various European universities as well. So let's talk a little bit about this book, Against Method, which is what you read the first several chapters of for today. Against Method was originally conceived of as a dialogue volume. So Fireobin had written a long essay called Against Method, an outline of an anarchistic theory of knowledge in 1970. And on the basis of that, a friend of his, another philosopher of science and follower of Karl Popper named Imre Lackatoche, wrote to him and said, you have such interesting, strange ideas. Let's write a debate volume. So Fireobin would write a section Against Method, against the notion of a scientific method, and Lackatoche would write a section for Method, in favor of the scientific method, and they would publish it as for and against scientific method. Now, unfortunately, in the midst of writing this, Lackatoche died, his part was not completed. And as a result, Fireobin ended up publishing against Method as a solo volume. And it became his most defining work. The original version came out in 1975. He published a second edition in 1987. And the final third edition he published in 1993. And then a few years ago, they reprinted the book in a fourth edition with an introduction by Ian Hacking. So the book, it has this kind of, it takes a kind of extreme side, in part because it was supposed to be paired with an alternative view. It is dialogical in nature. Some of you have pointed out there's this long confusing footnotes in the book, but I think they're in part an attempt to kind of fill in the dialogue a little bit. Also, they're a result of the multiple stages of revision and Fireobin's own somewhat eccentric writing style, which involves a kind of non-linear thinking as well as very many references to things that the audience might not have been familiar with. So it required a little bit of explanation. So that's sort of the origin of the book. In the book, he takes the position that there is no common structure to the various things that we call science or the sciences. There is no one single scientific method at work. And the writing style or the argument style of the book has two parts. On the one hand, it is historical. So Fireobin integrates history and into the philosophy of science to make this argument that there is no single scientific method. And it also has an abstract philosophical element to it. So he argues normatively speaking against the idea of any binding scientific method. The famous phrase from the book, anything goes, is a kind of tongue and cheek expression of this view where he says, look, if you want a single principle that can govern all of science, there's only one principle that could possibly satisfy you and be true to science and not restrict science from doing what it needs to do. And that's the principle, anything goes, right? Not that he's literally recommending anything goes, rather he's recommending a kind of open-ended methodological pluralism about science. Now, the, let me say a little bit more about the historical side of the method here or the historical side of the argument here. Fireobin doesn't just think you can conclude from the basis of some historical thing that scientists have done, that that's a good way to do science. No, that argument doesn't work for him. Instead, what he does is he takes cases that anyone he thinks would agree, any sort of defender of the scientific method would agree, are cases of exemplary science and action. And he says, look, these violate the method that you wanna defend, right? And that's why Fireobin thinks the history actually has some bite on a philosophical account. It says, look, if you had your way methodologically speaking, you would rule out these important landmark achievements in science. And the one he talks about the most in the book is the case of Galileo. In order to make this case, he makes kind of two, in this first part, there are two big lines of argument he runs. So nothing could seem less controversial in terms of the scientific method than the idea that, look, new scientific theories should be consistent with the past results, right? With well-established results. He takes this in two directions. He says, on the one hand, it might mean that new theory needs to be, in some broad sense, logically consistent with prior well-confirmed scientific theories. So scientific theories with lots of evidence behind them. And number two, that new theories need to be consistent with well-established facts, with well-established observational or experimental results, right? He says, he asks, what would the opposite of those, what would a method that violated those principles look like? And he calls that method counter-induction or counter-inductive method. So a counter-inductive method would either posit new ideas that are logically inconsistent with well-established theories, or it would posit theories that are inconsistent with established scientific results, right? And his argument is that this counter-inductive method is exemplified by the things that Galileo does in his work. Now, you might think, well, you know, how dare Fireobin try to impugn the reputation of Galileo? Galileo is a key figure in the scientific revolution, but that's not Fireobin's point at all. Fireobin doesn't mean to say that Galileo's work is suspect or problematic. Rather, he's attempting to show that by the lights of a theory of scientific method, by the kind of what he calls rationalist account of how science works, Galileo would be so impugned, Galileo would be so impugned by such a method. He agrees with you that Galileo is in fact a good scientist, and therefore he thinks this provides us an argument that you too ought to accept, any defender of scientific method ought to accept, that these methodological rules or restrictions are suspect, right? And so that's the purpose of that kind of historical argument. Now, you might think that's pretty problematic, right? Because Fireobin is saying, you know, in order to make progress, like we see in the Galileo case, science needs to proceed without these methodological restrictions. But what kind of concept of progress are you gonna assume if you don't think that science has to be consistent with what's come before, right? This is like the Kuhn problem, where you have radical change from one paradigm to the next. But instead of happening, you know, in these rare occasions of scientific revolutions, it's happening all the time, constantly in science. Well, Fireobin does have a couple of things to say about this. On the one hand, he tells us, look, I'm not gonna give you a theory of progress. Use whatever theory of progress you're already committed to. The point I'm making is that according to your theory of progress, probably cases like Galileo are cases of making forward motion. That is, they're cases of progress. On your own account, to make that progress, we had to proceed in that case counter-inductively, right? So that's one thing he says. And I think we can see this as a kind of imminent or internal critique, right? He's not so much propounding his own new philosophical method or philosophical system. He's going within the assumptions of the views he's criticizing and using the commitments there. On the other hand, he does, in a few places, say some things that maybe indicate what his own view would be. And it seems there, when he's thinking about scientific progress, he's not so much thinking about an abstract notion of progress of knowledge, the growth of our knowledge. He's really thinking about scientific progress being linked to human progress, right? To the growth of our human capacities. He's not so much thinking about progress as narrowly defined scientific progress. He's thinking about progress as human progress, as improvement in human capabilities, in human knowledge, consciousness, and the betterment of society, perhaps. So those are some of the key ideas I want you to take away from the book Against Method and the first seven chapters or so. And of course, we'll continue the discussion as he develops the example of Galileo further and starts to unpack some further consequences of his argument and address some further considerations next week. If you have any questions about what I've said today, please or comments or concerns, please raise them in our discussion forum or on Discord or leave a comment here on the video. I look forward to continuing the conversation with you and I will see you next week.


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