Why should you watch Cemetery Man? One of the biggest reasons is that it's a different take on the whole zombie myth. It almost sucks you in thinking that it's going to be using the same tropes from Romero movies, right? If you get bit, well, after a certain amount of time you turn back into a zombie. Bit doesn't mean you're going to turn happening at this one particular little cemetery, and it's just like an isolated incident, and it's just a man's job to take care of it.


Today we put two fan favorite rarities to the test. In this corner we have the Ghost Rare Packs and the challenger, the Ultimate Rare Packs. Who will win? We'll have to find out. What's up guys, we're back with another epic video. Today we are battling 20 Ghosts From The Past 2 versus 20 OTS. These contain Ghost Rares, these contain Ultimate Rares. Let me know in the comments who's gonna win. And speaking of winning, one of you guys is gonna win the giveaway and the giveaway will involve every card we pull today. All you have to do is like this video, be subscribed, turn on notifications, let me know in the comments who will win Ghosts or Ultimate. If you guys remember last time we did one of these, we pulled a Ghost Rare, two of them actually. So you might want to enter this giveaway. All right, let's start the opening off. The challenger, Ultimate Rares, they think they can beat up on Ghost Rares.  I mean, you're wrong, but I'll prove it to you in this video. So let's see what we can do with the challenger. This is you guys in the comments. Destiny Hero Dashard, that's a good card. Just got a Secret Rare though. So the Super Rare is probably not worth as much, but still a nice printing of that card. Let's do Ghosts from the past two. The real set. Can we pull another Ghost Rares? We got Comedy. We got the Fossil Machine Skull Convoy and we've got Ghost Trick, Jiangxi. All right, all right. It's cool, but not much of count there. Let's see what Ultimate Rare packs can do. Who will win the battle? Will we pull Nolzee? Will we pull a Ghost? Which will we pull first? Ogdoidic Token. All right, all right. Very cool, but not what we're looking for. We're looking for something insane. Something epic. What will be in this pack? Rise of the Mega Monarch. That's worth like around $1. So, I mean, it's something. It's counting toward the scoreboard. All right, next one we have the Ultimate Rare pack. OTS-18. Will we pull something amazing so far? Nothing has been pulled amazing. Ghost your break. And, Vandernite's a Break Sword. That one is not gonna be counting. That's about 20, 30 cents. Not too crazy there. That's all right though. It's still a pretty good card. OTS usually has almost always good Super Rares. Let's see what we can get in Ghosts from the past two. Fossil Warriors Skull Knight. I thought this was a good card the entire time we opened all those cases. Turns out it's still not a bad card. It's just not worth that much. It was worth like 14 bucks out of Brothers of Legend. That's why I thought it was good. Or sorry, Battles of Legend before they changed the name. Disney or Celestial. Cool. Ooh, and a Quagar Hercules. Very nice. Okay, not the TP-1 version, but still pretty sick. Let's see what Ghosts from the past two can respond with. Right now, it's pretty close in the low scoring range. Let's see what the next one can be. Ghost Trick Mary, all right, the Vampire Sucker and the Vampire Takeover. So far, not the most eventful opening. For sure. Let's see if we can pull something cool. Ghost Trick Angel Mischief. We've got the Tanga, who's good at it, that guy. And the Token Collector, I think it's up to like four or five bucks again. So still pretty good. Very nice super version. Better than that common version on the other ones. Vampire Sorcerer. Let's get a Ghost Trick. Infernity Pawns, so far. No one has proved themselves to be the best. Number 97, Gurglion. That might be over a buck. It was around a dollar last time I saw. Okay, okay. Looking cool, looking cool. But we're really, we're saving it for the end. You know, we want it to be a little dramatic. Same cantation, we've got the Retainer and the Baby Sarasaurus. Man, I love the foil on this. Look how shiny it is. It's kind of like a Go-Shirt. It's gray and then it's super rainbow-y right there. Pretty nice, super rare. I like it. Plus, Love Dinos. Very cool. Next pack, Yang Zing. Advanced Virtual Art. We've got the DDD, Destiny King, Zero Laplace. All right, he's the Laplace, but he's not very good. Come on. Come on. Tang, Tangnask, I don't know how to say that. That wasn't even close. Quaggar Hercules again. All right, another Super Rare. There's a Super in every pack, so it doesn't mean that much. Let's see what we can do. Can we, so this pack has all Commons of Supers. This is all Ultras and Ghosts, so it's kind of interesting. Mystical Sand. I feel like I haven't seen that in a while. We saw it so much at the beginning. Kind of chilled out a little bit. Let's see what OTS can do for us. The Gnoll Vig and the Agadouidic Token. So far, 40 packs. Out of these 40 packs, there really has not been much at all. This has been pretty tame in terms of the pulls. Tatsunekro, number 97 Drogoblion again. Okay, and like Ghost from the Past too. I think Hawk Fiberax was down like three, four bucks. So like really, and a Luba was down to 15 or 14, so everything's pretty low right now.  Ultimate Rare. Wow, it's centered, of course. The one I'm giving away is centered. The back is pretty, pretty indented, but yes, this is gonna be going to one of you guys. Make sure you enter the giveaway. And speaking of giveaways, go check out the community tab because I have announced them recently. Tons of different, you know, giveaways like two or three weeks worth. Wow, that's a big boost for the Ultimate Rare. So maybe you guys in the comments aren't completely dumb. What am I kidding? All right, yeah, you guys, no, I'm just kidding. All right, next one. Okay, now that I'm insulting my audience for no reason, I love you guys, I'm just kidding. You know what, I'm just a little salty that you guys are beating me, okay? Cause I consider most of you guys on the Ultimate Rare train. Some of you guys agree with me on the Ghost Shares though. So you guys are on my team and we are getting beat right now. Wow, Fusion Destiny, best one. So that's pretty good. That's pretty good. We've got the Lera, we got the Vision Hero increase. Wow, this Ghost From The Past 2 is a let down right now. It is not good. We have not pulled anything good so far. Destiny Hero, Celestial, the Phantom Knights, Kagamusha Knight, all right, cool card. Not really worth too much though, but still a nice print if you play Phantom Knights. The Super Wrist from OTS are just so clean. Sandwich and Skull Knight again, all right. We're pulling all the bad cards out of this play. I definitely picked the wrong display. Diverge, Vampire Familiar, and a Dasher. That's another good one. If you guys missed the other day when you pulled an awesome card at the Ghost From The Past 2, go check out that blister opening I did the other day. Oh, and an Ultimate Rare. Oh, and the Red Eyes! Let's go, what an opening! Also, we opened Magician's Force First Edition and stuff like that, so definitely worth watching. Rookie Warden Lady, we've got the Dramaturg of Despia. That's a good card. And then the Mardell. I think Dramaturg is like the best card in that pack. That's funny. Okay, all right, it's been cool. It's been cool. The Ultimate Rare might be winning a little bit, but Token Collector, wow, they're dominating right now. They're probably like 100 bucks in value and Ghost From The Past 2 is at like $2. $2, come on, fallen sanctuary. That's how I feel. The ghosts have fallen from grace. They've become unclutched, which with the new ratios, I figured they have a better chance, but even with the crazy ratios of pulling a lot more sometimes than one per case, still not enough to beat one out of 16, 17 Ultimate Rear. So I think that ratio is just too hard to beat. Protector of the Agents of Moon. Okay, yeah, because at this point, it's a beat down. It's not even close.  I don't know. We got the Monju, we got the Imkantation and the Contaxi. All right, yeah, this is not close. This is not close. Let's go. Let's see if we can change that. Sinet, Domain, Ghost Rig Mary. All right, Despian Tragedy. That's one of the good cards. By good, I mean a dollar. Maybe it might even be a dollar anymore, but that is a very good one. I sold out of mine pretty quick. Got a Monju, 10,000 ants, Vampire Retainer. Contaxi, another nice one.  And it's like, wait, I'm giving it away. Who cares? I still want to pull a ghost because it'll be awesome. I'll pull Reptia Egg and Shallow Vampire. And also it's really fun sometimes to pull all these crazy cards and give them away because then people get super hyped about it. So it's kind of fun. Diverge and Insecta Picafalina. Okay, they're pulling bad cards now. This is your chance ghost from the past two. Picafalina's being pulled. It's telling you that you have a chance. We got the Tinney Spirit, Shathana. We got the Vampire Kingdom. We got the number 97 Dragooblion. That's a play set of those. A play set of Dragooblion. That's not what we're looking for. Only a few packs left in this. This is not that close. Like this is pretty bad. This is pretty bad. We got the Phantomites of Silent Boots. We got the Vampire Retainer. And we've got Kwegar Huckilies. Okay, come on ghost from the past. I believe in you. You can do this. You can change everything here. You can make it so that we win this thing. Advanced Ritual Art. We got the Ghostric So Cute Boss. All right, Galaxy Salt. That's a good card. I mean, it's not a ghost, but it's definitely good. It's like a couple bucks, maybe even three bucks at this point. Which yeah, you're like three bucks. Not gonna matter when you have a Fusion Destiny. That is true. That is true. We got the Tan. Ghostric Break and Token Collector. That's like three or four of those. And that's like one of the best Superhuman Pull. That's definitely not helping. That's better than the Galaxy Soldier, which is the best pull they have. Okay, Ghostrim. Here we go. Quintet, that's worth a buck. Nice. Mathemic. Dark Alligator. No, Destiny and Tragedy. Okay, so we got a couple of good ones in there, but they're not good enough. They're not gonna lead the comeback. We need a Ghostrim. We got another pack. One pack of OTS. One pack of Ghost from the past too. Here we go. Vampire Retainer. Implicantation Pensaplume. And... Kagemushanite. All right, another super rare there, but that's fine. This Ghost from the past too is gonna make a comeback right now. Basically we need like red eyes. We need blue eyes. We need dark magician girl. That might be the only ones that win it at this point. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if anything else is, you know, over a hundred bucks at this point. Let's see. Tini Spirit Ashuna. We've got the Larrajay, the God of Archery. Agent of Wisdom, Mercury. Is it the, wait, that's two. Okay, so it's not this one. Oh! Spoilers, it's a link. That means it can't be anything. Deco Tiger Heat Soul. That's at least a good card. I mean, we're not gonna complain about that. 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I enjoy the opportunity to return to Ann Arbor and I want to thank especially Deborah Horner in making this date happen. I know that this went back and forth and back and forth and it you know like getting pregnant it's never the right time but okay we made it happen and I want to thank to all of the University of Michigan scholars at the Ford School at the Ross School in the Economics Department at the RSQE and other parts of the University for the help that they've extended to me since I joined Mayor Duggan's administration two years ago. I've made a number of new friends, some of them I see around and I've been able to reconnect with others which has been great. All of you have willingly helped when I reached out and I've had terrific efforts for more than 10 interns working for me and several of them are in the audience. I've received policy presentations on several property tax issues from two separate groups of students who've come through Professor Gerber and Professor Durer and I am shamelessly exploiting for another year master's accounting students who are coming to me from Professor Shakespeare and I'll say a little more about that later. So from my point of view my alma mater has not disappointed and on the behalf of Detroit's taxpayers I thank you all. My comments are in three parts and I want to leave plenty of time for questions and I can probably stay a little longer to do that. First I want to talk about the fiscal federalism context within which Detroit's future is going to be determined. Second the challenge to Detroit in achieving fiscal sustainability in its recovery and third in broadly presenting the mayor's vision for where the city is headed I present a challenge to all of you particularly those embarking on a career to focus on the exciting public policy laboratory that's just down the road from here. Okay federalism in the municipal context as you all know we have a system of dual sovereignty in this country the responsibilities not expressly designated to the federal government by the Constitution belong to the states and the state government's constitutional roles are to ensure that public services are provided fairly efficiently and equitably across jurisdictions. Over time through home rule arrangements the states devolved responsibilities to slews of local governments, counties, cities, school districts and so on. I'm going to use local government cities municipalities interchangeably today. The division of responsibilities the services mandated and the taxes allowed to these local governments are determined by the states and they vary widely across the country. So the states make the rules that's the great variety that's American federal structure well so much for the civics I'm an economist so let's look at the economics that's a system that we call fiscal federalism where bluntly cities like Detroit are at the bottom of the food chain even with the sustained economic recovery and lower unemployment the federal government and most states face serious structural funding gaps into the foreseeable future presenting a major risk for local governments because fiscal stress runs downhill from the heights of Capitol Hill down to state capitals and down to city halls counties and school districts so Detroit is not alone in experiencing fiscal distress even if it's unique as the largest municipality ever filing for chapter 9 bankruptcy. So let's start at the top in this food chain and excuse me my nose is running another memory of Ann Arbor the charming weather starting at the top the federal government is in retrenchment just a quick walk down memory lane for you the great recession had a devastating impact on the federal budget revenues plunged federal spending rows to provide unemployment compensation and other assistance these automatic stabilizers were helped along by tax cuts and a large stimulus package without the fiscal stimulus the great recession would have been far worse and many including myself and I suspect some in this room believe that further stimulus was required at the time but the result of the greatest recession was that from fiscal year 2007 to fiscal year 2009 the federal budget deficit climbed from 1% of GDP to 10% of GDP but now with improved economic and budget outlooks the federal deficit has fallen it's hovering in the range of about 3% of GDP but as two national commissions have made clear even with normal economic growth the federal budget is on an unsustainable path over the long term debt will rise faster than the economy can grow and there's wide agreement that failure to take corrective action will eventually have serious consequences for the country but the actions are unpopular although the proposals of both national commissions differed in some details really the basic arithmetic drove them to similar solutions there's only so many ways to cut this down slow the growth of the health care entitlements get social security into long-term balance use tax reform to get more revenue by broadening the base and lowering the rates and cap the growth of discretionary federal spending both commissions back loaded the changes to avoid derailing a fragile economy at the time but washington's political gridlock has prevented action on a grand bargain to implement them so instead we got cuts and freezes in just in the discretionary programs and those with the hardest hit and sequestration another walk down memory lane sequestration in 2013 levied more than five billion dollars of cuts on to the states which most of them passed down to the localities since these were largely federal safety net programs whatever track the federal government takes to address its own long-term fiscal problems it's going to intensify the funding problems of states and their local governments states and cities will feel intense pressure to fill the spending gaps and if any serious federal if there's any serious federal tax base broadening especially if it eliminates the deductions for state and local taxes it's going to make it more difficult for the states to increase revenues and state and local governments by the way are in even worse shape and that's where the bulk of government activity occurs in this country about 15 percent of our economy roughly two and a half trillion dollars of output employing about 19 million people state and local government it's where we educate our kids where we maintain public safety and health and where we implement the social safety net states today are more vulnerable to the business cycles but unlike the federal government states have mandatory balanced budget requirements making their actions pro cyclical in bad times state governments and local governments cut spending and raise taxes and in good times they do the reverse they increase spending and cut taxes the great recession led to deep cuts in state and local government jobs much deeper than any recession in the last five decades that's teaching you a little history folks this was a much deeper recession at the state and local level than anything that had happened post world war two even with the federal stimulus states and cities budgets acted as a headwind against economic recovery and they're continuing to do so private employment which fell immediately and sharply in the recession about eight percent in two years has recovered as you well know as you hear it in the headlines private employers added 15.3 million dollar million jobs since February 2010 that's on average about 194,000 a month but total employment in this country has lagged behind because of cuts in public payrolls more than eight years after the great recession state and local government employment still has not recovered at the end of September last month September 2016 state and local government employment was 2.2 percent below where it had been at the peak this is unprecedented and it represents eight years of lost public services by teachers librarians cops firefighters social workers while the country's population and our needs continue to grow slow economic growth low global energy prices and stock market volatility have delayed real recovery and tax revenues needed to hire those state and local workers state receipts fell off the cliff during the financial crisis about 150 billion in real dollars in 2009 and revival has been slow and patchy depending very much on the particular state and locality wasn't really until the end of fiscal 2013 that inflation adjusted state tax revenues surpassed the level they had reached five years earlier and that was due largely largely to temporary tax hikes the great recession didn't create the structural budget problems of state and local governments but it sure did reveal them and there is perhaps no better example than Detroit unless perhaps you're from Illinois during the recession it was my privilege to work closely with the state budget crisis task force which was chaired by Paul Volcker the former chairman of the Federal Reserve and Richard ravage the former lieutenant governor of New York the task force concluded unambiguously that the existing trajectory of state fiscal practice spending taxation and budgeting can't be sustained states are sacrificing for the future they're sacrificing the future for today for example mandated dollars going to Medicaid and pension crowds out spending on education state aid for K to 12 schools has been declining as a share of state spending since 2008 significant cuts to higher education with access quality and student performance are at risk and I think that's the world in which you know very well the capital needs for critical infrastructure to repair and replace aging pipes roads and bridges have been postponed due to immediate spending pressures and the ability to borrow for long-term capital needs and short-term cash flow has been threatened by improper borrowing for current operations this state of affairs is enabled by weak rules and learned bad fiscal behavior so here I want to tell you a little story the task force demonstrated the gimmicks that states use to present an illusion of balance to meet their constitutionally required balanced budgets for most states a balanced budget is measured by whether there's any cash left in the general fund in the last day of the fiscal year that's it that simple we examined six big states California Illinois New Jersey New York Texas and Virginia spanning a wide variety all six used whatever it took to meet that goal of having cash in the till on the last day of the fiscal year some stops funding pensions some sold assets some issued official debt some levied temporary quote-unquote taxes that's a big one for Illinois they all informally borrowed by not paying their bills that is stiffing their vendors and their employees by robbing dedicated accounts for transportation the environment charities of the arts and transferring that cash to the general fund by cutting and delaying payments to local governments and to schools and universities for a number of them this behavior wasn't new and it continues into today are you listening Illinois and New Jersey in particular and I suspect Texas reliance on these gimmicks indicates growing fiscal stress it may also lead voters to believe that they can continue to have the necessary services they expect without higher taxes you can find the reports at www.statebudgetcrisis.org and since the this task force ended the pew the Pew Foundation's been following up on this work and you can find their ongoing efforts at pewtruss.org all of this work is pertinent to Detroit and to Michigan so let me go on to Detroit this is the environment that I've just described the much broader picture in which Detroit has to survive since exiting bankruptcy in December 2014 it was a quick process only 17 months after filing for bankruptcy and that may be give some the impression that things can now return to business as usual but it's not that simple there are strict reporting budgeting and oversight standards that have been written both into state law and into the bankruptcies plan of adjustment which is formally what a bankrupt bankruptcy court imposes at the end that are going to govern Detroit's fiscal reality and behavior in the next 40 years and very strictly until 2024 virtually nothing about Detroit's financing and budgeting will be the same as before and folks that's a really good outcome bankruptcy opened up a world of opportunity although at a considerable cost to city workers and retirees it cut 7.2 billion dollars of ongoing costs from the city's budget of which 5.5 billion was unfunded pensions and retiree health benefits it provided 1.4 billion in capital for investment in infrastructure and revitalization initiatives through fiscal 2023 it preserved the Detroit Institute of Arts and Bell Isle key civic attractions it set up a new CFO and chief financial officer and chief information officer to bring state of the art technology and systems improvements to city government much needed and fifth it established a financial review commission to provide otherwise known as a control board to provide ongoing financial supervision and strategic guidance to the city now these last two governance and institutional changes make Detroit's fiscal recovery much more focused on the long term and on structural changes than city government has ever been around here for example the budget is now part of a multi-year financial plan and that utility is already evident post bankruptcy the city has budgeted and managed rigorously to generate annual budget surpluses to fund new spending needs that include capital investment and pension payments with this behavior the city's produced two years of audited surpluses that is better than balanced budgets the city will generate these budget surpluses into the future by continuing to use conservative revenue estimates and to control expenditure growth the revenue estimating process is supported by semi-annual consensus revenue meeting forecasting meetings in place by law since 2014 where outside experts including the University of Michigan's George Fulton who's sitting right here have validated the conservative approach the city's taking the city has not been budgeting the annual surpluses it's been generating in the same year that they're realized but rather waiting until the surpluses recognized in the annual audit treating it as an unallocated fund balance to be allocated to the competing one-time spending needs for example the city already has set aside surpluses to support capital projects and blight removal in this fiscal year we're in 2017 and to increase support for its long-term pension obligations the city also has a general fund reserve greater than the 5% requirement that's in law now in fiscal 2017 which is what the city's in the city has budgeted another surplus after the audited results following the close of the year on June 30th 2017 Detroit should achieve the goal of three years of consecutive budget balance which will send the state oversight board into dormancy this has been a prime political objective you can imagine for Detroit's elected officials governance to has entered a new era not only having this control board on top of it but there is a revised city charter and a new city council that's now elected by districts and that's made a difference before I accepted the job this job working for the mayor the council invited me to work with them and join them at a port Huron retreat they had in mid 2014 where they were educating themselves and preparing for what life was going to be post bankruptcy post emergency manager Detroit has a strong mayor form of government that probably means a lot more to you than it might mean to some other people those of you who are in political science and the mayor and the council now seem to have a pretty good working relationship some of that's been formed by necessity right and it necessities drives a lot of a lot of good things actually but until this year Detroit was operating under budgets put in place by the emergency manager remember him Kevin or in January the city began a new that what I would call the new normal of what their budgeting is going to be under the new mayor under the new newly formed different city council the mayor proposed the budget the council held hearings like they're supposed to and they passed a balanced multi-year financial plan the process worked yeah it worked and the control board was watching and they all knew budget politics is always challenging they're always going to be jockeying and we're headed into 2017 which is a budget year so who knows what may happen but so far this is a very different relationship Detroiters tell me I'm not from Detroit but Detroiters tell me it's a very different relationship right now between the council and the mayor and may it be that way fiscal sustainability for Detroit ultimately requires being able to budget for necessary ongoing expenses with the confidence that there's a stream of revenue to support that spending let me take you through some rough figures folks Detroit collects a bit over a billion dollars annually in general revenue that's the size of the budget the single largest tax revenue is the income tax at about 250 million state revenue sharing delivers just under 200 million casino taxes provide just under 170 million and the property taxes the caboose prior to a new appraisal system coming in at about 100 to 115 million all of Detroit's tax rates are at their maximum so that option isn't available for a city of 677 thousand residents roughly with a 40% poverty rate the city has a limited and for the moment weak tax base Detroit is a small open economy business takes place throughout the region including inside the city's boundaries outside the city limits some companies have city locations some do not more but more residents work outside the city limits than inside actually almost two-thirds of Detroiters commute out this raises huge problems when trying to collect taxes based on business activity within the city limits the city of Detroit collects in business income tax only about 25 million dollars a year that that should shock you it shocked me when I saw it and I have to say it shocked professors professor Shakespeare the accounting genius the tax rate was doubled about three or four years ago and the revenue barely increased a pretty clear indicator of rampant tax evasion and I want to thank professor Shakespeare she hears Kathy Shakespeare here said she might be if she's not okay I can understand it from the Ross business school for being shocked when I gave her this information and then for helping us in trying to do something about it last year her she had a team of masters accounting students as to estimated the size of this tax gap that exists in Detroit and helped to strategize on how to tackle it and she's preparing another group next term to help our auditors by investigating the typical accounting ploys that different types of businesses have been using to evade Detroit's business income tax so if we're only collecting 25 million from businesses and we've got a hundred sorry 250 million in income tax collections the rest might be coming must be coming from some place else folks it's coming from people right workers the bulk of our income tax from working individuals and unregretably for years both resident and non-resident workers have blatantly evaded the tax as well and the city has been unfortunately not very effective in enforcing compliance but as of last January the city income tax this city went into partnership with the state and the city income tax is being collected by the state which brings electronic filing quicker processing a larger much larger enforcement staff and more sophisticated techniques in every way but that's not going to be enough because Michigan's municipal income tax is seriously outdated the law as it now stands and it was enacted in 1964 only requires employee withholding by businesses with establishments and I quote within the city in 1964 85% of Detroit residents worked in Detroit today only 37% of them do and that's the difference the largest source of personal income tax revenue that we are missing today is from Detroit residents who by the way have a tax rate of 2.4 percent as opposed to the non-residents at 1.2 percent because these folks are working outside the city their employers are not required by law to withhold so Detroit doesn't get our rightful tax revenue their employers by the way withhold for federal and state taxes but not for Detroit taxes I have to say I've never heard of anything like this I I come from New York and I we collect everywhere everyone withholds for everything withholding some major collection tool for income tax everywhere it's universally required everywhere why it's not here beats me this year tells you a story with e-filing there were about a hundred thousand more is a great number a hundred thousand more Detroit personal income tax filers for 2015 than there were for 2014 is that great news right great news unfortunately it hasn't been matched by a lot more revenue well the bulk of Detroit's personal income tax revenue does come through employer withholding that's largely from city-based businesses whose employees are mostly non-residents paying at 1.2 percent and not from the residents commuting out as I just told you the mayor has strongly supported a bill in Lansing for universal withholding by employers all the cities around the state are supporting it so far it hasn't passed if universal withholding had been in place for 2015 we would already have collected an additional 10 to 25 million dollars instead the state is running around chasing after people to get the money by sending letters until city income tax withholding is modernized to match the reality of where people work the city-state income tax partnership that we've signed on to with the state in which the state really wants and views as a way of helping Detroit that partnership is going to be held hostage to collecting from residents who when they're notified they owe tax face a sticker shock of coming up with a lump sum payment in addition to being unfair to workers the ex and expensive and inefficient for the tax collector this outmoded tax means that our income tax revenue is not likely to reflect the city's improved economy over the long term and that's what worries me and that's what this discussion about fiscal stability is about this is our largest revenue all right and it's really weak and one of the reasons it's weak is this bluntly speaking the largest risks I see to destroy to do that to Detroit's fiscal sustainability are in Lansing the state of Michigan is critical to Detroit's long-term fiscal viability universal withholding which I just talked about would fix our largest revenue source that's not the only fix we need from Lansing revenue sharing is our second largest revenue and it faces its own risks and is completely outside the city's control the state has decimated the funding diverting it into balancing the state's general fund you'll notice that several other states do the same thing or many states do the same thing according to the census Michigan was one of only four states where there was a decline in municipal revenues from state sources over the period 2002 to 2012 so I can't opine on how or whether the legislature and governor are going to address this are they going to increase local sharing I don't know will a recent lawsuit that's been brought by a number of local governments generate legislative action before the court mandates it will the courts mandate it I don't know but my experience from the fiscal crises I have participated in and solutions I have participated in in New York City in Washington DC tell me that the state of Michigan is going to have to step up with more at some point so let me get to a brighter side foundations and private donors have committed almost four hundred and fifty million dollars over twenty years as part of the bankruptcy plan of adjustment along with the state to minimize the pension cuts to city government retirees and to safeguard the artwork at the Detroit Institute of Arts that was Michigan's version of the grand bargain and that grand bargain happened chief judge Rosen who mediated this at the time called the city quote service delivery and solvent which is a phrase I'd never heard before but I thought was poetic service delivery and solven only a judge could say that I think maybe an economist would come up with that and the ten-year plan of adjustment to 2023 sets aside some funds for a number of projects and improvements in basic services in Detroit like police and fire in a way formally recognizing that the deterioration in basic public administration was one of the reasons for the bankruptcy and since the exit from bankruptcy foundations have invested a further eighty million dollars into joint initiatives with the city of Detroit so where is that stuff going well it's going according to the mayor's vision and the mayor's strategy for sustainable recovery focuses on attracting and retaining residents creating new jobs and employing more Detroiters so let me take you through a little bit of the residential strategy and the neighborhood revitalization neighborhoods are being stabilized Detroit has the nation's most aggressive blight removal program there are 80,000 potentially blighted structures we've determined that 40,000 can be salvaged 10,000 have already been demolished and 8300 are slated are slated for demolition in the next two years at the same time more than 650 homes have been or are now being rehabbed this makes a dramatic difference folks in both the appearance and the morale in neighborhoods there is two now regular garbage collection don't laugh but there wasn't there's regular garbage collection there are park cleanups and graffiti removal the streets are lit with the installation of 65,000 new LED state-of-the-art fixtures and there's a lot more buses with new drivers and they're operating at full schedule for the first time in 10 years in Detroit and that deserves an applause let me tell you you may never you may never ride a Detroit bus but if you do it's going to be a lot better than than you ever imagined the city's huge it's 136 square miles but it's missing people so the strategy is to rebuild density in areas by investing to support the existing population and attract new residents and businesses into what can be thriving neighborhoods that can't be everywhere you have to start where there are cores of really good structures and and active active communities building off of existing blight initiatives strong community involvement in these neighborhoods is going to identify areas that could be converted into greenways linking together commercial and residential areas beautifying the living spaces and making them more practical for a growing community and a big focus of this is what new housing there's going to be and what the new housing is going to look like because there's going to be mixed income and affordable housing throughout the city ensuring that the recovery will be inclusive and that those who have remained in Detroit benefit from the resurgence the commitment to protect what is affordable now and in new developments speaks not only to having a lot of pricing variety around the city but also to a commitment to social justice housing development will fill in vacant neighborhood spaces by restoring what is structurally sound in the inventory of housing that the land bank has and then filling in the spaces around that with newly built apartment buildings some of them duplexes some of them anchor townhouses some of them courtyard and garden type apartments a whole lot of variety this is called making a mixed community work the city's capital strategy which is going to be submitted to the city council tomorrow that's where I go from here to make sure that's working it's going to support these efforts with housing funds but also new and restored parks and recreation areas repaired streets and sidewalks improved water pipes and drainage systems environmental green infrastructure and landscaped commercial strips for local businesses plan transportation investments are going to include new bike paths and expanded public bus routes the new light rail queue line which opens in 2017 which is going up and down woodward and the dequinder cut a pedestrian path for hiking and walk just general walking between the riverfront and eastern market in addition to this kind of development there are also issues of job creation private sector job opportunities of course are being encouraged while downtown and midtown are well on their way to recovery the recovery has to include the Detroiters who live in neighborhoods largely left untouched by downtown by the downtown and midtown boom active economic development programs are targeting specific industries and sectors Detroit has of course a locational advantage of being in this region which is an auto industry focused region and we can combine that with the ability to amass large parcels of land for industrial use so much of that that's one strategy it's focused on auto industry largely software and small manufacturing for support into that industry because people can locate plants on this new land the Detroit economic growth corporation has a wonderful program called Motor City Match which is funded by federal dollars which links small business owners and building owners to develop neighborhood business most of which is minority and women owned they really they take an entrepreneur who's got an idea and they find a landlord who's got the space and they marry those two hand in hand with this kind of economic development though is a focus on workforce development because this is about employing people who live in the city of Detroit and the city estimates that there are almost 200,000 Detroiters with a basic skills and support gap skills and support gap that prevents them from participating in regular work that gap runs the gamut of these people don't have any job experience they have literacy problems they may have a criminal record they have no degree or no certification for a specific job or skill they have no access to transportation many of them they have no available child or elder care that's the whole gamut of problems that have been assessed and the city is focusing on closing that gap whatever it takes including getting employers focused on how they can help improve the workforce skills of Detroit or so they most closely match the needs of today's economy and improve the rate of hiring in these specific companies much of what I've just run through other places of course take for granted but it does provide a realistic starting point for growth in Detroit but it doesn't guarantee that recovery is going to be sustainable unless I be seen as painting an overly rosy picture let me be the first to say that still there are too many homicides and gun crimes insurance and other costs are high in Detroit compared to the rest of the region and the school system is a national disgrace here I do not let Lansing off the hook either having said all that cities and their economies populated by people are by definition organic they evolve at the end of the day cities are social organizations where outcomes are determined by human behavior and one element that conditions that human behavior is our mindset many including the mayor have a growth mindset I don't know if you've ever seen Mayor Duggan but he's kind of a Detroit version of the Energizer bunny the guy does not stop and he's everywhere everywhere around Detroit he knows every block he's been everywhere and he goes to New York and talks to the bankers and he goes to Washington and gets after federal money this guy is on a mission and he's a man with a mission who is very accountability driven and that's how he runs the administration and he has a growth mindset he ran for election saying he was going to grow the population of the city of Detroit no one believes it it's going to happen slowly it's happening you can see the changes around you just can't measure it quite yet most of the capital that's flowing in and the developers who are placing their stakes offer that new mindset the challenge now is to have the future mindset focused on educating the kids training the workers and choosing the types and quality of city services that the citizens need in a real economy well I'm going to end on a further positive note as you all know one of the hottest areas in economics these days is behavioral economics we've actually drawn on some of its insights in designing part of a tax compliance strategy thanks to Ben Meiselman's doing as one of his economics PhD thesis essays on that may you get the job of your life out of it Ben anyone who has watched the ways in which neighborhood groups and community organizations have pitched in to fill the gaps left by inadequate government services in Detroit will recognize that there has been a palpable change in Detroiters mindset since the onset of the crisis and based on what the audience brings up when the mayor holds his neighborhood meetings now expectations and involvement in Detroit have really risen and I take that to be a major change in the mindset I came to as an outsider to Detroit a little more than two years ago and I'll soon be gone back to New York I wasn't part of the failure here and I wasn't part of the bankruptcy for a short time I've had a small part in the recovery and that has been exhilarating for me exhausting yes but exhilarating look let's face it this is going to take time Detroit suffered a multi-generational decline and full recovery is going to take multiple generations it's also going to require folks the continued application of intelligent public policy sound familiar is that why you're here intelligent public policy and this place the University of Michigan has the opportunity to introduce state-of-the-art practices in almost any field of public policy and down the road is a fallow field for you led street lighting mobile health units smartphone based on street parking meters and internet-based bus arrival times have been implemented in the last two years and that's just the tip of the iceberg there's a lot more work to be done and a lot of room for great ideas not least with the school system which I haven't been able to talk about in which the city has not yet taken on but knows it's going to have to at the moment Detroit is one of the most happening places in the country I have evidence of that at least the number of people I've run into in New York and here who have forsaken Williamsburg for Detroit you can be part of that Detroit offers you the opportunity to face what may be the best challenge of your life particularly those of you embarking on a career to focus on the rich laboratory public policy laboratory that's just down the road I hope some of you do I did such a thing when I came to New York in 1975 at the depths of New York City's fiscal crisis I have no regrets and I wish it for some of you I hope so thank you seize the moment and thank you


And we are live. All right, everybody, what is going on? I know this is the last minute. A little news breaking news, right? Her news flash breaking news, Muppet News Flash. It's sad with Mailchimp's customer journey. And, you know, I don't want to make light of the situation. And it's not a show to make light of the situation. It's basically so me and parents are talking and what we're finding is this has become a very polarized debate, right? We're not going to give our opinions about this because we want to remain neutral on this. I think it's important to hear what the fans have to say. We'll look at the Facebook feed. We'll look at the Twitter feed. We'll look at the YouTube feed and we'll read the questions. Perrin, what do you want to start with? Maybe we'll respond to some of your comments. So about 60 to 90 minutes ago, Dave Mustaine and Megadeth released the following. We are informing our fans that David Ellison is no longer playing with Megadeth and that we are officially parting ways with him. We do not take this decision lightly. While we do not know every detail of what occurred with an already strained relationship, what has already been revealed now is enough to make working together impossible moving forward. We look forward to seeing our fans on the road this summer and we cannot wait to share our brand new music with the world. It is almost complete. Dave Mustaine, Megadeth, May 24th, 2021. So short and to the point. Yeah. Yeah. And again, to emphasize to everybody that we're not here to tell the world what we think about the situation because there's not enough information. And I could tell everybody this. I've met Dave Dave Ellison many, many times. He was always nice to me. So you can only judge people right on how they treat you. So all I can say is always a nice person always made time for me. A lot of interviews with the guy I spoke to David Mustaine. Dave Mustaine, another really nice guy, very smart, very intellectual. So they've always treated people on the show here very well and nice, both parties. So we're not going to get into what we think. We're going to read out what you think because this has become a very polarized parting of ways. Yeah, and when Jimmy says polarized, I mean, just looking at our comments on Facebook or if you look around at a lot of the other popular metal sites, people are commenting and the comments really range from. Well, you know, no duh. I knew that was coming to how can Dave Mustaine be so disloyal to his brother?  So those are really the two extremes and everything in between. And, you know, a couple of things, you know, if you look at the statement, first of all, it does not say Dave Ellison was fired. It says they're parting ways. So that would lend one to believe that there was discussion, negotiation, an arrangement made that left both parties in such a way that, you know, they could walk away, hopefully with not this becoming a whole legal mess. Because, of course, we've had legal messes between two Dave's in the past. And then I guess the other thing that a lot of people are speculating about is the fact that Dave Mustaine put in the statement with an already strained relationship. And that could mean their discussions about what recently transpired. That could mean, you know, musical differences. That could just mean, you know, and we all know this. And guys, you know, it's like not every band are best friends. You know, sometimes they start off that way and it kind of disintegrates. Sometimes they were never to begin with and they kind of, you know, lived lives on tour, but then lived separate lives, not on tour. So, you know, there's a few little things in there that people are talking about. And, you know, look, I guess when we do our Sunday panel shows, I'm the business guy. So from a business standpoint, you know, what's the old saying? I think it's in the Jerry McGuire movie, right? This isn't show friends, it's show business. And it is possible to be friends with a person, but to no longer want to be in business with them or to think that it's just no longer in your best interests to be in business with them. Dave Ellison has not been accused, has not been charged with a crime. As far as we know, there's no court case pending. There's just the court of public opinion. And then on top of that, there's whatever was brewing, whatever the already strained relationship Dave Mustaine was referring to. And that was enough for the two parties to say, yeah, it's probably better. We don't do business together anymore. And I'm sure we'll hear more about this, you know, in the coming days and weeks. Yeah. You know what? And we, again, we have to start with this with a, with the pretense that we don't know what's going on. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes. We don't know what has happened or what hasn't happened. We just know what we see on the news. And we're not here to sensationalize it or to insult anyone or to hurt someone. We're not debating it in any way. We're not here to debate this. We're not to debate what he did was right or wrong. We're here to just read your reaction to the, it's big.  They're one of the biggest heavy metal bands in the world, I would say. I would say Megadeth are probably one of the 10 biggest metal bands in the world at the moment, you know, maybe top 20 of all time. Again, these lists are all subjective, but they're important. There's, you know, they've produced very important music over the years, very important albums and very, and they're very important figures. So when a key member is no longer in the band, people have feelings about it. And like I said, if you, if you read some of the comments that we've seen from various parts of the internet, some people are indignant that Dave Elfson is no longer in the band. And some people are like, well, you know, it's always kind of been a Dave Mustaine solo project anyway under the moniker Megadeth, or at least it has been for a long time. So I guess your opinion might be influenced by how you feel about Dave Elfson's relative importance to the music that Megadeth produces and their live show.  You know, if it was the right decision or the wrong decision, it doesn't matter, it's still sad. And I think that's why the internet's on fire right now, because it's, you know, it hurts fans regardless of whatever happened, you know, behind the scenes. So I'm going to read some comments and you could read some comments. So here and we'll go with the YouTube comments first because these guys have priority because they're we're on YouTube, right? Some dude says I can see both sides of this from Elfson and the bands. But dude, people in general need to be way more self-aware. Then they are currently you're a public figure in a high profile band. That's a fair enough statement. He is in a high profile band and, you know, he should have been very careful, right? You want to read one? Yeah, so I'll read our friend Bretts on the Facebook page. So the already strained relationship and quotation marks speaks volumes. I hope he's innocent. I hope she wasn't underage. But if she was, throw the book at him again. This is your all entitled to your opinion. If not, I hope he doesn't lose too much.  So, you know, Bretts. We won't go there yet. We won't go there yet. We'll talk about that after. But yeah, so I mean, this is a little bit of the strained relationship speaks volumes, you know, hope the person was of age. But here's the important thing. Again, David Elfson has not been accused of a crime. He's not been arrested. So let's assume she was of age. I guess the feeling in the Megadeth camp is still that, you know, a lot of people have seen that footage and it's perhaps embarrassing to the brand slash band. And maybe that's part of the reason that the management or Dave Mustaine feels like it's it's best if the person who tarnished the image of the brand is no longer there. And again, pure pure speculation, you know, yeah, let's let's put that in parentheses, speculation, right? We don't want to speculate on things we don't know. Dillinger Fanon says totally support Mustaine's decision. Austin Barr says for the question is who is going to replace Dave. Well, we're not going to get there yet, but he's saying James Newsted. The body isn't it's still warm. Let's not go there just yet, right? Maybe we could talk about this at the end of this conversation. But John Fisher saying very sad on YouTube, Lucha saying, seriously, I believe there's much more to the story than we know. And Lucha, I would agree with you. There is probably a lot more to the story than we know. And that's why we can't we could speculate, but let's not over speculate and let's, you know, let's all bring the hammer down, you know? You want polarizing? I got a polarizing one. Go ahead. So we got our friend, Anna, right? Anna, I believe, is in France. Anna from the rock dance theater, who often corresponds with us.  Megadeth is nothing without David Ellison. Good luck, David Mustaine, on your solo cover band. Gross. So we've talked about polarizing statements. So there is a very strong statement in support of Dave Ellison. Obviously, his contributions are relative importance to Megadeth.  Well, let's let's go. And I saw another comment by Diana, who comments a lot. And I'm going to read her statement because now we're going on the other side of the spectrum, right? And I can't find it now. Oh, here it is. Here we go. And you know what? We're looking at all sides of the spectrum. We're not sort of saying one side is right and one side is wrong. We're just reading what the fans are saying, right? And it's very, very polarizing because at the heart of it, we're all Megadeth fans. And we don't like to see this craziness. Diana saying fantastic. And along with him, all the in. I think she's right.  Of course, they could still express their love for this guy in private. Kudos to Dave Mustaine for giving an example and making the metal scene safe. And then that's afterwards.  And, you know, and I think it's, you know, and here are two female fans and female followers of ours. And I think it's very important. I'm glad we're kind of, you know, provide running a female perspective here as well. So you have Anna and Diana on different sides of the spectrum. One kind of applauding this Dave Mustaine for his strength of character in doing this and the other kind of vilifying Dave Mustaine for cutting loose his brother, you know, if that is what happened. Yeah. So Dennis goes Dennis's parents says, and this is an interesting statement, which a lot of fans have been also expressing. Far worse men have done far worse things in the name of metal. He didn't burn down a church. Not sure it's a fireable offense. Classless. Yes. So again, based on the information that we know. That is a statement that he's making. And we're not here again. I just want to emphasize we're not here to trash anyone's side.  And they want to express themselves. And this is the vehicle or the conduit to express themselves. And let me say in a business context, yeah, everything is a fireable offense. So I'm going to assume it's common knowledge that when Dave Ellison returned to the band, he was no longer a partner in Megadeth. He was an employee of Megadeth, much like Dirk is on drums. And much like Kiko is on guitar. You know, perhaps he got a better wage because he was a classic member and nobody really knows that. But he was not a partner in a band. He was an employee. So when you're an employee, you can be fired from anything from playing too many bad notes to your personality, to actions that you did or didn't take.  Absolutely. And those both ways, right? So I mean, a person could be fired for cause. A person could be fired without cause. And depending how the company is letting the person go, maybe there's a check that changes hands and maybe there isn't. And maybe there's a lawsuit that ensues or a labor board that steps in. And again, you know, this is this is metal. We can't go to the speculation too much because at the end of the day, we don't know, right? And what we don't know, you know, but I agree with you. I agree with you that companies, if they let somebody go, they better let somebody go with a lot of sort of evidence or else that employee will seek. Some sort of financial compensation, unless there was an agreement. Yeah, or that compensation could have been offered up front and the individual could look at it and say, yeah, you know what? Maybe better to take the short route and just end this now than take the long road. Because, you know, the thing is when you take the long road, often the only ones who win are the lawyers. So, yeah, you know, so. But but here's here's the point now here.  Now, here's here's. And this is probably the reason why we're actually doing the show today. If it was sort of like one sided and everybody was saying, good on Dave or bad on David, there's nothing to talk about. But no, no, no, no. The point is, is this actually going to hurt mega death? Or is this going to actually sometimes you think you're doing something because you think it's going to help the band, but this might actually deter people. And I wouldn't want that. I mean, I wouldn't want that. I want the band to be successful. And I don't want any bad things, people doing bad stuff morally. You know, I like people to be morally right. But at the end of the day, will this hurt the band or help the band? You know, yeah, whatever happened. Here's another good point. Oscar saying, what happens with all the endorsers? That's a good question. I would say, you know, Dave Elfson, as an example, probably has an individual contract with the companies he endorses. And obviously the attraction for those companies is to be able to say Dave Elfson of mega death, although Dave Elfson, even outside of mega death, is a well known name. So I would say, you know, any any company and forget Dave Elfson. You know, we've seen this with professional athletes. We've seen this sort of thing, you know, what with many different kinds of people with celebrities, Hollywood actors.  So, you know, we've seen this. So I mean, look, look at this. Here's another one. And I'm going to read all comments from all the spectrum because I'm not going to play one side here, right? We're going to remain neutral. E.J. says, how would you feel if your daughter was groomed by Elfson? OK, and I'm just reading that statement because it's one of many statements that are on the Internet. But then there's another statement that says, John Katsuta says, mega, this is my favorite band out of the big four. I really hate all of this. This current lineup, in my opinion, was the best one since the Rust and Peace. Then there's other people who don't want to know about people's personal lives, right? It's kind of like I just want to know about music. And that's all I really want to know about. Please stop with all this. What happened? You and I discussed it the day it happened. And we said, look, we don't want to. We don't really. We don't want to talk about this. We don't care. And we don't want to talk about this.  It's important in life in general. But I'm just saying that we're talking about music and we try to stick to music. And in this special case, I think just to sort of give the voice to all the fans and the hurt from the fans, the people on both sides of the spectrum. Yeah, I got a good comment here on Facebook. So we have Mariano, Views is F and gossip. Alpsen pays the ultimate price. He made a terrible mistake and Mustaine made another mistake. Where's the friendship?  Very sad moment. So I think there's an implication there. Does an employer, does a friend, does a friend have a responsibility to help a friend? Let's say, you know, Dave Alpsen had an alcohol addiction. Let's face it, guys at Megadeth over the years have had drug and alcohol addictions. And they weren't necessarily kicked out of the band for them. Hell, the leader of the band had some very important addictions and the career was put on hold and then got going again. So I guess that's, you know, Mariano is kind of disimplying. You know, again, is this should this be more about friendship and should there be some sensitivity to maybe help the guy and not cut him loose? But that's where, again, we don't know what we don't know.  And should we be the ones judging them on what they do in their personal life? OK, Hector on Twitter saying this kind of behavior always been unacceptable. And nowadays, even more, they're about to restart the live concert circuit. And anyone knows that keeping him would be a PR nightmare. And always the band most of the time, been Dave, Dave Mustaini means with the current hard guns, they will be OK.  It's tough to get make it today, right? It's tough to sustain yourself financially. So we're just cutting them loose. I asked the people out there, is that rock and roll? I mean, a lot of people are saying, you know, it's not rock and roll. Right. So we just got a comment about political correctness, all right. So, you know, one of your brethren, I would say Mario Sacrivos. By Zahn, a heavy metal band, one of the biggest at that, giving into political correctness. That's what it feels like to me. So, you know, I guess in metal, we have a feeling that metal has always been non about non conformity. We don't conform. We're different. We're outsiders from society. So, Mario's doesn't feel so great that, you know, it's on the surface. It might seem like Megadeth has, you know, caved in to being politically correct. Here's a good one. And here's a kind of question I've been sort of like talking to people about. And if this was Motley Crue, would anybody even blink? Right? Well, a member of Motley Crue, right? A member of Motley Crue killed somebody, right? That's right. He found guilty in a court of law of killing somebody. But they're packing up the rena's and... Yeah. And then after paying a hefty fine and doing a very small amount of jail time, was back on the road with people celebrating Vince's back. You know, so and that's and it's it's interesting that you bring it up, Jimmy, because you're right. Like, do we do we have a double standard or is it just that that was in 1984? And now we're in 2021. That's a good point. Or is it about expectations? Now, one guy is considered like Tommy, let's take Tommy Lee as an example. You think he would do that all the time, right? He probably does that. He's got some videos out, right? You know what I mean? But that's his thing, right? To be the bad boy. And we expect it. So we're OK with it. Whereas David Ellison, we have a higher expectation. Projects. He's a pastor. You know, he speaks eloquently and, you know, and it's maybe it's the expectation that is is is what's sort of driving that inconsistency. Melissa, he says, seems to me this is and this is from a woman perspective, which is important. Melissa, it seems to me this is a matter for him and his wife as long as she was overage and consented. That's a that's a good point, too.   Again, if you work as a salesman for a company and all of a sudden something that you've done in your life is known and people might not want to buy from you anymore. Does the company then have a difficult decision because they like you, they even love you, they've known you for years. But at the end of the day, if their job is to sell whatever and they think you're going to have a hard time doing that because everyone knows about this thing, then what? You know, and not, you know, so yes, for sure, on a personal level, it's between Dave's choices or between Dave and his wife and his family. But everything does impact everything else. The reality is we live in this, you know, social media world where in the past, if you did something like this, unless you killed somebody, no one knew about it. And now you do something like this and everybody knows about it. And you factor in the cancel culture, people, which makes it even more larger, right?  We're all accountable for our actions. So, you know, every action has a reaction. So if I do something, a lot of people might like it and continue to support me, but a lot of other people might not like it and decide not to support me. And I guess whichever side is bigger is almost going to determine my fate. And that's kind of just the way it is. All right. Musique says, I'm honestly shocked, never thought this would be the outcome. And there's a lot of people like that, too. And I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the outcome. And again, I get the morality of it all. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it. But we all hope, you know, deep inside, you know, that there wouldn't the band wouldn't suffer because of it. They have a new album they're working on, you know, everybody's tour dates just announced, two days just announced. So it's kind of it's a blow. I guess the question for the people out there is, are you anxious to see Megadeth without Dave Ellison there? David Ellison, you know, that well, I'm a ticket holder. So I can answer that question for you because I haven't bought a ticket yet. Yeah. Well, I bought a ticket a long time ago. I'm sitting on the fence here and I decided to hold on to that ticket. And then when they announced the new date, which they just did a couple of weeks ago, topped it over with my other half. Yeah, we want to go to the show. So I decided to go and I will say this doesn't change my mind. And again, this kind of leads us to the thing. Like is Dave Mustaine is Megadeth Dave Mustaine or is Megadeth Megadeth? And for me, of course, I enjoy Dave Ellison in Megadeth. But I've seen I've seen so many versions of Megadeth. Like I've seen them with James Macdonald on base. I've seen them James Lemenzo on base. You know, I won't not go to the show because of this. I'll I'll still go to the show. I wish it was Dave Ellison, the originator of that amazing piece sells riff playing it. But if it's somebody else, that's OK, too. It's still a good night out. So it doesn't change my decision. On Twitter, here's an issue one from here. We flip a Twitter one here.  Officer Friendly says, wonder what an already strained relationship really means. And that's that's that was I wouldn't say cryptic. But I would say that was, you know, I'm assuming because of the whole battle with the name and, you know, sort of mending the fences, coming back, you know, there was a bitter lawsuit, guys. I mean, that's the thing. Right. Yeah. When I mean, Dave Ellison came back to the band after a bitter lawsuit between the two Dave's and, you know, it's hard to know. Sometimes, you know, the lawsuit gets settled and they shook hands and became friends again, or was part of the settlement that Dave had to be back in the band. And guys, you know, doing this with the metal voice and other kind of, you know, freelance journalism stuff I've done. It's one thing I learned over the years is again, bands are not always best friends. You know, I can name you very, very well known bands who they hug on stage. They they interact on stage as if, you know, they babysit each other's kids, but they travel on separate buses, stay in separate hotels and really only see each other when they get on stage. And I have no idea if that's the way it is in Megadeth or not. But I can just tell you there are some very big bands that see each other at soundcheck, see each other, perhaps they pass each other in catering and they see each other on stage. But when it comes to travel, they, you know, one likes to go to this kind of restaurant, one likes to go to that kind of restaurant. One likes to stay in the hotel on off days and read. And the other one likes to go hiking or sing around the city or play golf.  And thank you very much. I thought they were like pirates and Vikings. No, and we all thought that when we were younger, we all thought that when we were younger, but like, you know, and they probably thought like that too. When they're younger, then they got old and bitter. Yeah, and that's the way it is, right? That's the way it is. All right, here we go. Michael Green on Twitter, then internet, social media, people wanting to profit our ruthless and don't care about wrecking people's lives. Should he have done it? No, but having said that Dave Mustain has to protect the band and the brand. You know, there's a lot of truth to that. That's kind of why I was very reluctant to sort of post. And I mean, okay, I don't want to contradict myself because we're doing this now, but it's kind of like it's ended now. You know what I mean? There's a conclusion to this. And that's kind of what this is about. I didn't want to feed the fire of and judge whoever, mega death or Ellison, I don't find it's appropriate to talk about people's lives, you know, privately. I don't think that's our place. And I get it. Some people do and that's fine, but I just don't feel like what we do at the metal voice, everybody is to judge people in their personal lives if they're right or wrong, right? It's not us to decide. That's kind of why I want to keep the topic to the fans and what they think and how they feel. Yeah, Jimmy, I will say, you know, if it was going to happen better that it happens soon than happens in six months, because it's never a good feeling for fans or for the people involved to be left kind of twisting in the wind, not sure what's going to happen. So for better or worse, you know, in business, they kind of teach you right, wrong or indifferent, gather your facts, make a decision quickly. Maybe it's the right decision. Maybe time will reveal that it was the wrong decision, but you've got to kind of the fairest thing to do for everybody is to make a decision fairly quickly and not let it linger for a month for six months, you know, like I'd much rather this happened now than everyone bought their tickets, the shows are a week away from happening. And then it's, oh, by the way, David Ellison isn't going to be on tour. And then a lot of people who bought tickets feel duped because they didn't know what they were getting. I remember there was a Motley Crew Greatest Hits tour on one of their many, many reunions back in the early 2000s. And, you know, on the Greatest Hits album, it was the four of them, Tommy Lee, and then on the day tickets were going on sale, they announced Tommy Lee wouldn't be doing the tour. And Samantha Maloney from Holt would be doing the tour. And a lot of people were pissed. And back then there wasn't an option to get a refund.  So, you know, you're kind of stiffed. So at least here, anyone who's buying a ticket to see Megatheft this summer or fall knows. And I think you know what, I agree with you. It's good that there's a conclusion to this because maybe if there's a conclusion to this, it could all be sort of put aside and let whoever needs to heal heal and whoever needs to be sort of whatever, put the pasture, put the pasture or whatever, just just get it over with. So Sirion saying David, David shouldn't have been fired for something they did in their personal lives unless they killed someone or something big like that.  Not Tommy Lee, Vince Neil, sorry, Vince Neil, excuse me. You know, and he got away with it. You know, he did some community work, maybe spent a little time in jail, but and it was OK. The fans, you know, turn around and they go see more shows by Motley Crue, right? Because it's expected of that. Yeah. Well, here, you know, with that one, it was a weird thing where in order for Vince Neil to come up with the money needed to pay the families of the victims because not only did Razzle die in that crash, but two relatively young people were left with very bad injuries and on the top of serving jail time, Vince Neil had to pay restitution to those people. But in order to be able to pay restitution, he had to work. So it was found that instead of letting Vince Neil rot in jail, let him go back to work. So at least these people will get the money they need to look after their unfortunately paralyzed loved ones for the rest of their lives.  So I mean, it's again, it's interesting. You brought it up before because, you know, Vince Neil killed his friend, manslaughter, not on purpose, but unintentionally killed his friend and devastated the lives of two other families and was out after 30 days after writing some checks, you know?  And in this day of social media, if it's if it's here, it's everywhere, you know, you know what? Matthew, you know, Matthew Liu has been around forever as a friend and all.  This was their 1994 Voodoo Lounge t-shirt.  You know what? Here's my answer to that. It's not, that's a moral and legal question that we shouldn't sort of like jump into. Different times. It's just different times and things have sort of evolved, we shall say, right? And that's all I'm going to say to that. Like, I mean, I'm the only ones to, right? For some bands, the sex, drugs and rock and roll image is a draw and it will help you sell more. But maybe for other bands, sex, drugs and rock and roll, maybe as you get older is maybe not the image you want to portray. So, like, I get, I mean, and that sounds weird to me.  Like, that was a long time ago and different rules start coming in and things change and, you know, more rights of people and the protection of children and things evolve. You know, things evolve.  And look, the owner and whatever, right? Look, let's not kid ourselves. Dave Mustaine is now a fairly religious person himself.  And again, I just bring you back to a regular company.   But, you know, sometimes the boss is like, look, I just can't look at you and across the table at a meeting every day. And I don't know, maybe that's the case here. Maybe Dave Mustaine, again, he talks about the previous strained relationship. Maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back for him, you know? So... Well, maybe there's other stuff that we're going on that we're not even, you know, we're not pre-materials. Again, maybe musical direction. Maybe Dave Ellison is coming up with something. And this is a comment here from James McClain who's saying, and a lot of people are saying this, it's sort of like a brother ship or sister ship or brother ship and so, not cool, support your bandmate. A lot of people say, look, we're brothers here, you know, like we're bandmates. We've gone through thick and thin and if we don't have friendship, what do we have in life, right? But where's the line? You know, the rain has to stop someplace, right? Like, so like, where does the rain stop? I'm just saying it's a fair point. It's a fair point to throw out there, right? You know, like life is not only about business, right? It's about supporting your friends, especially if something went wrong in your personal life, right? Yeah, but what if they're not friends? That's the point, like the point is, I think Dave is kind of eluding to that in the statement. Like maybe they're not really friends, which is sad. Maybe they're not. And we don't know that so we can't, you know, make that call, right? Violeta saying, if we're out there cancelling people for sexual misconduct with other adults, then every last rock solid planet would be out of a job. That's a good point too. And I have a similar one here. Todd, this is standard operating procedure for Hollywood and nobody seems to care. So why act like it's a big deal now? Then it becomes a selective thing. Are we being selective over one crowd, over another, right? So many different angles. And again, we're not here to judge. I'm gonna say this over and over again. Not here to judge. We're here to read your comments and how you feel, okay? Let me see, if this was 20 years ago, it would be different. Yes, it would be, Chick Eastwater says, if this was 20 years ago, it would be different. Yes, it would be different. But if you go back a hundred years ago, a lot of things were different too. If you go back 200 years ago, a lot of things. Yeah, you might have been executed or something. That's right, that's right.  Not the good kind, the bad kind, right? No trial, just know it's like all of them, you know? Yeah, that's right. I mean, we've become at a very protective of our children age. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, we want to protect our children. We want to protect people who are vulnerable. And yes, the girl did come out and say that, you know, it was with her consent. We don't know the whole story, but just saying that we're in an age where we have more protection of our children. Whereas a hundred years ago they didn't, right? So I guess the next question, Jimmy, and I'd be curious to get people's opinions on this, is Megadeth Dave Mustaine? Or is Megadeth Dave Mustaine and Dave Elfson? Or is Megadeth Dave Mustaine, Dave Elfson and the guitar drum combo they have at the time? What is Megadeth? Well, Megadeth, we don't know what Megadeth is because it's evolved so much over time, right? Would you be offended if somebody said that Megadeth is Dave Mustaine and everything else is inconsequential? Does that offend you? So we're basically saying Kiko is- Well, one thing's for sure. One thing's for sure, Perry. Let's just eliminate here. One thing for sure, Mustaine is Megadeth, right? That's one of the key ingredients. And I agree with you. No Megadeth, no Mustaine, no Megadeth. I mean, that's, we know, that we know. Now, then there's a better Megadeth and a sort of lighter Megadeth, right? So you're saying that Dave Elfson can't come up with Elfson's Megadeth, like KK's Priest. We can't have, we can't have Elfson's Megadeth. That's not gonna work. You know what, I don't, like, if he doesn't own the trademark, and again, I don't know the ins and outs of this, but if he doesn't own the trademark, then I would see a very difficult, you know, spot where he's in. You could say maybe the former bass player of Megadeth. Elfson's MD, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, and here, Sirion saying, like Lemmy was always Motorhead, right? Yeah, you take away Lemmy who sings and plays bass. I mean, there is no Motorhead, but I could see people thinking, hmm, maybe we should continue Motorhead, you know? Because they'd be that far-fetched. I tend to agree with you. And I'd say, you know, but I would say, you know, the original Megadeth with Chris Pollan and Garse Emelson, that felt like a band. Yeah. And then that one album of Jeff Young and Chuck Bieler, that didn't feel so much like a band. But then when they got Marty Friedman and Nick Menza and they had some continuity there, that felt like a band. But I feel ever since Nick Menza and Marty Friedman left the band, I felt it was a project after that.  There's been so, there's been a lot of people through the band, particularly after the Hayedas, which would make a person say, yeah, the one constant is Dave Mustaine. So- You know, this is, it seems to be more of a, like if I was to look this from a demographic perspective, it seems to affect fathers with daughters, right? Because we want to protect our daughters. It seems to protect women who have been taken advantage of. They feel very strongly about this. Those are the people who are sort of like, look at this more seriously. You know what I mean? I have a daughter. I have a daughter. I have a 14-year-old daughter, right? That's right, that's right. So it kind of hits home to me a little bit, that if like, you know, if I came home and, you know, but my daughter's 14, she's not 19, and we don't know this girl says she was 19s, you know, at first it was reported 17. That's why it kind of like, I don't want to go there because we don't know, right? We don't know. We don't know the details. We don't know the details. You don't really know.  It's like, and you talked about this before. Who do we replace him with? Well, I mean, we just announced like the news or the news was just announced. The people, we're all fans, right? Everyone's a fan. Jason used to be a replacement. Like, guys, this hasn't, this hasn't- But the great, but I will say on Blabbermouth and on our site and on a few different places, people are already throwing in. Wouldn't it be great if they got Jason Newstead in the band? And wouldn't it be great if James Lemenzo came back? And no, no, I think they should get this party. So there's already that speculate.  Who might, you know, who might play on it? Who might play on the album? I'm going to go to Blabbermouth right now, okay? And I'm going to look at some comments here and just I'll look for some, you know, some interesting comments looking forward for his solo stuff. All right, fair enough, Ellison, solo stuff, right? Well, Ellison didn't put out a covers album, you know, not too long ago, which as far as covers albums goes quite good, frankly. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to say something. I don't like the cheap shots. I don't like the cheap shots towards David Ellison. You know, he may have done something wrong. I just don't like the ridicule and the cheap shots. No, I agree. I like the person a lot. Like, and I said this from the get go, if he's guilty of anything, it's not being very careful, what you can say was kind of stupid. And, you know, that's advice for anybody. More so some in the public eye, but you know, with this world that we live in where your every move is captured, you know, we all need to protect ourselves and we all need to be smart and we all need to assume that someone's watching all the time. So, you know, maybe don't do things that you wouldn't be proud if it got out in the public. I mean, you know what happens in our bedrooms and behind closed doors is behind closed doors, but once you kind of film it and hit send to somebody, you no longer control it, you know, and so not a wise decision in the world that we live in because things can be transported around the world. But, you know, cheap shots, I'm sure nobody feels worse about this than David Ellison. I'm sure he's sorry he's embarrassed himself. I'm sure he's sorry he's embarrassed- Heard his wife. His wife, his children. You know, his ministry. So, you know, it's a sad situation, you know? And I hope people are- Look, and morally, I don't condone what he did. Don't get me wrong. I just- Yeah, we don't know what he did. I'm just not a fan of cheap shots. That's all. Yeah.  State the facts. That's cool. Say what it is. Say what happened. That's good. You know, if there's a legal aspect to it, great. Say it, but the cheap shots, I don't know. It's just kind of go overboard. I don't know. When I get it, I know it's the internet and things fly fast and people want to make jokes and I'm all for jokes, but sometimes it goes a little too far, maybe. But maybe that's just me and two each his own. Two each his own, right? What else comments you got there? Queen Bodisha Arradiant says, I cancel, cancel culture, you know? You know, that's another tricky one. It's strange because everybody that I meet, they're really not for cancel culture, but it seems that cancel culture is sort of taking over. Someone's doing this. Who's doing this? I mean, who's the leaders of this cancel culture? Jimmy, we always had cancel, you know, cancel culture is just a catchy name that we've come up with. This has always existed, right? Michael Jackson endorsed his Coke and Michael Jackson does or doesn't do something. So Coke decides to fire him. The people who agree that Coke fired him are like, yay, I'm gonna drink more Coke. The Michael Jackson fans who are standing by him who don't like that Coke fired him are like, I'm never drinking Coke again. This has always existed. We've now put it in a nice little package and we call it cancel culture, but accountability and accountability for your accountability exists, right? If a company decides to not do business of somebody anymore, I will either applaud that and support them. But if I think they canceled someone wrongly, I will cancel them. I will hold them accountable for holding that person accountable. So I don't know, like, I think cancel culture has just become like a thing we like to, a saying we like to use, but it's always- I blame the media. I blame the media. Well, you're not far off- The media I don't listen to. That's the media I don't blame. I'm not all the media. I like some media. Don't get me wrong. Eric, Victoria's is saying, I think it's a good statement here. If Mustaine used this story as a reason to kick him out instead of dealing with the strain relationship he had with Junior, then he has become a wimp. Well, we'll be sad. So to your point, was this sort of the last straw? Sort of like there was something else brewing in the background? Could have been anything. And this is kind of like, okay, you're out. You know, that could be something else too. Again, speculation. Complete speculation. I agree with Jimmy, the media is evil and criminal. That's Gary. Thank you very much for agreeing with me. I don't think all media is evil.  A lot of people think that today's media is evil. I can tell you for a fact that media has been evil since media began. There has always been companies buying ads for newspapers and those companies buying those full page ads, well, they wanted something in return. And we didn't think that something was going on, but something was going on. And a good friend of mine once told me in the media, we put the ads before we used to put the stories. So if you had an ad for cars, then you'd have a story about cars. Look, media with an agenda is evil. But there is good media out there and there are good reporters out there. Look, if we're media, I guess we're a form of media, we're doing our best today to stay balanced. If this was just Perrin and Jimmy having a conversation off camera, I might have a very strong opinion and Jimmy might have a very strong opinion, but we just wanna report this very important news that happened today. And we wanna kind of explore both sides of the equation because to Jimmy's point before that it's 50-50. If you look at comments, it's really, I've actually never seen a story where it's not leaning one way or the other. It's 95% of the people are not supporting Miss Dane, 95% of the people are not supporting Alpsen. It's really 50-50 in terms of was this the right thing to do. It's amazing because back in the day, I guess this would be like an extra, extra. We had all about it. It would be a second edition newspaper during the day that, you know, but now the internet do digest news so quickly. It's so, we consume it so fast. Tomorrow there could be another ripple. Tomorrow Dave Alpsen could come out with a statement and then Dave Miss Dane could counter that statement. And then like this, you know, again, this is their, the story is breaking, but it might not be, it might not be finished unfolding. So there could be twists and turns in the road, you know? And here's a good point, Queen Bodisha saying, how come virtually all the media is owned by the same companies?  Yes, there probably was a time when there was a private guy, you know, on his printing press, but then he needed ads. And then the companies that he would put the ads for, they would have an agenda and he would have to sort of modify his paper for that agenda. If something can be monetized, it will be, you know? So that's the reality is this, if like, if rich, powerful people can figure out how to make a buck up of something, they're gonna do it. So yeah, look here in Canada, all the TV stations, radio stations are owned by two mega companies. Two mega corporations own pretty much every radio station and television station in Canada.  No, you know, they're not. I mean, but I guess this is a whole media debate we could have. Yeah, that's another show, everybody. That's a whole other show. But just everybody knows since the beginning of the printing press, there's always been agendas in some fashion or another, just faster now. Howling Fang says, cancer culture is really just censorship of people that some other people simply don't like. Well, then what's the definition of who, what are the lines of what are you allowed to censor and what aren't you allowed to censor? So what does censorship really mean at the end of the day, right? Is should everything be allowed? Should certain things be allowed and who decides what should be allowed? Yeah, I got a guy. Again, I'm gonna keep taking a session with cancel culture or like it's always existed. Accountability is always existed.  It's like, you know, action reaction. A person does something, public opinion forms an opinion. And again, it all comes, you talked about sponsors and stuff. What influences everything is, will people buy more or less of our product because of what this person said or did? Because if they think they'll buy as much or more product because what this person did, nothing's gonna happen to them. But if someone thinks that they're gonna buy less of our product because then yeah, they're going to get canceled. But that's just, basically, if you endorse a product, you didn't do a very good job if people no longer wanna buy that product. So you're fired. And then there's the, and here's a Louis, Cypher, a Louis Cypher, a Lucifer, right? He's married with kids and also a pastor. So yeah, there's victims there. And that's probably the victims, the kids and the wife. And I feel bad and it's not right. It's not fair, you know? But we don't know what their marriage is like or not. So it's very different. Again, they can have an open marriage.  Again, you know, not society's rules aren't every couple's rules as an example, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got like, oh my God, now we got Jason Neustead is making a lot of gains here. We should get Jason Neustead back to join Megadeth. I would think, and I'm gonna throw this out there now and I don't wanna talk about this, but if Megadeth is gonna pull this off, right? They're gonna need somewhat of a big name, right? To sort of counter this polarization of the fans to ensure that it's a successful tour. They're not just gonna bring nobody in. You know, hey, I'd like to audition for Megadeth. I think it's gonna have to be. Look, I'm not sure.  They were respected names in metal from Soilwork and from Angra, but they weren't like these big names like Jason Neustead from Metallica would be, right? So they didn't go that route, although there wasn't all this fanfare, you know? So I don't know. Like the thing is, if you bring in a really big name, if you bring in a Jason Neustead, that person's gonna expect to get paid more than a small name, but is Megadeth gonna sell more tickets? Will the attendance suddenly go from 14,000 instead of 10,000 because Jason Neustead is the bass player? And I'm not so sure of that.  They went with Kiko and with Dirk and get an amazingly solid player, great stage presence, energy. If the person is well-known, okay. But I just think they're gonna try and make the best musical decision possible. And I don't know. Pure balltas from Accept, I'm seeing all kinds of names here. They're all some names, everybody. Then I see Geddy Lee. Look, I've seen some people- I don't think Geddy Lee's gonna do the gig. I've heard some people, a couple of people lobbying for James Lomendo to come back. And I don't think that would be a bad choice. I really liked James when he was in the band. You know, everyone knows James is the guy from White Lion, but then he did Black Label Society and he did Megadeth. Rex Brown, who's Rex Brown? Do you know Rex Brown? From Pantera. Oh, it's from Pantera. Okay, okay. See, I don't really follow Pantera, I guess. Yeah, well, I had a say on him on it. I didn't even know he was available. What? Tom Herrera from Slayer, Tom from Slayer. Oh my God, this. Look, it's gonna have to be, it's not gonna be one of the older guys. It's gonna be one of the sort of like mid-range, user butler, come on. Everybody's just throwing out names. Geddy Lee is approaching 70. Steve Harris, you know, he's probably about 60-something. Well, but let's look. Wolfgang, Wolfgang. It needs to be a thrash basis, right? Let's be realistic. It needs to be a thrash, heavy metal basis, right? So. I'm seeing Paul McCarty. What do you think Paul McCarty is in or out? Oh, Ron McGoverni from, you know. Yeah, I don't think Ron's played in a long time. Look, I'll give you an interesting name. Greg Christian, who used to be in Testament has kind of been off to the side for a little while. So I would think that vein, right? Think of Testament. Think of Exodus. Gene Simmons makes sense, I like that. Think of, so you know, would Greg Christian, formerly of Testament, make sense? Would James Lemenzo, who used to be in Megadeth, make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there a third drover, brother? We don't know about it. You might like to try. You know what I'm saying? You could always play bass. Len could always play bass. Michael Anthony, do you play bass, Jimmy? Do I slap in the bass? You don't like to play a little bass. Play a little, but not to the level of... Any other band. When the bassist is named, we'll have to do a whole other show just to kind of talk about it. Nicky Six, yeah, that's not gonna work. Nicky Six does even play bass, Nicky Six. You gotta be able to play more than one string to be in Megadeth. That's right, that's right. Okay, so. All right, so I think we're gonna wrap it up here. Let's wrap it up. So everybody, you can keep leaving your comments if you like, once the show's done. And again, this is not to ridicule or make fun of a very sort of stressful situation for the band and for David Ellison. The great guys in Megadeth, good person, David Ellison, I'm not gonna knock the guy. And what he's done is his thing to deal with, with his family, and I don't wanna poke fun at that. And... We saw the passion of all the comments, and we just wanted to give a forum for people to kind of talk about that. Exactly. That's what we wanted to do here today. And I know that this is hard for the Megadeth fans because they want a united Megadeth, not a separated Megadeth, all right? It's never fun when the parents divorce, you know? That's right, all right. So next up is the hockey game tonight. What's going on with the hockey game? Montreal and Toronto playing for the first time in 42 years in the playoffs. Best of seven series tied 1-1. Okay. Game three tonight at 7 p.m. Montreal time. So how's this working now with the pandemic? Once they win, let's say Montreal wins, then what? Well, there's a Canadian division. So whoever wins this would play the winner of Winnipeg Edmonton. And then the winner of that, then we need to see, because then there'll be three American semi-finalists. So by that time, will we be able to travel and will fans be able to attend? Or would the Canadian team have to kind of go to the US, put themselves in a bubble and play the American teams and not have any home games? So is there gonna be like a final Stanley Cup of all the NHL teams? Yeah, there's gonna be a Stanley Cup. Or is it just gonna be Canada and that's the end of it? No, no, no. Once the Canadian division champion is crowned, there's three American divisions and the four division winners will be in the semi-finals. So the Stanley Cup will be awarded the way it normally is. Kind of with this co-op thing, I kind of lost track of what's going on, not really watching the games. It's kind of just pretending like I'm watching, but I'm not. But the city of Montreal will come to a standstill in about two hours. That's right, that's right. All right, so good luck to Montreal Canadians or the Toronto Maple Leafs. I have a lot of friends there too. So have yourself a great Sunday, everybody. Bye, Barry. Thanks, cool.