Welcome to the Monday, March the 7th, 2022 meeting of the Montpelier Design and Review Committee. I will let members and staff, are you on there? I just had a big one. Oh, okay. So the people watching from home didn't just say they think the public would know. We'll let members and staff introduce themselves. Benjamin Cheen, member. Meredith Crandall, staff. Steve Everett, member. Martha Smersky, member. Ms. Pritchett, member. And we may see Eric, but at the moment he's not here. I will let Meredith review the remote meeting procedures and process. All right. Since all of our people on remotely are members, I try and keep this fairly brief. But this will help anybody who's watching via Orca understand how to get on the meeting. Here we go. All right. So for anyone that is viewing tonight's Design and Review Committee meeting via Orca Media, you can decide to participate in the meeting by getting on via the Zoom platform through either via or telephone access options. 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I'm going to hand the meeting back over to Steve. Do I hear a motion from any of the members to approve the agenda? So moved. And I'll second it. This is Martha. All in favor of the agenda, speak your names. Ben. Steve. Martha. Okay. Unless anyone has anything else to add at the moment, we can go to the application for the evening 4-4 Langdon Street. Come on up. Ben Neal Spistro. Come up to the table. And just remember to try and speak into the microphone as closely as you can. And I tried to, you can move it maybe closer to the middle if you want. You don't really need to do that. That's there. So it's easier for you to see people who are on remotely versus transit. Go ahead and describe your amended application for us. The application is going to include hanging art on the river side of the building, as opposed to the front. And the new light fixtures. I believe that. Oh, and the. The menu, the menu board sign. On the front display case. Well, it doesn't really count as a sign for our sign regulations. But it's a menu board. So they can put your menu out and do the occasional flyers for events, but it's out. I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Is the menu board for actual in menu or for events? It will hold both the calendar, the monthly calendar for events and our menu. Okay. So free if anybody needs me to share any parts of the updated application. I can put those up. And as I was reading through the text, the decision. To remove the awning based on engineering. Yeah, I was a little remiss in speaking for her at the last meeting. She did want to get some estimates from. The plan. So the plan was to remove the lights and the windows. And as we suspected, it was just too much. We just got those last week. So that will be coming down. Like I. Yes. I'm just waiting for a little less icy weather to put the ladders up there. Yep. Yep. So, so the lights. Or this is proposed. The lights in front of the building. The conduit that's shown along the facade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The lights are the lights already up. Yes, they are already already up. Yes. So. So the ones on the very front of the building. We're there for. The new ones that got put up are the ones just on the corner over the sign. And the next to those. So they were here before and got a permit. For. To get approved and said that they could put in solar pan solar lights there. And the solar lights didn't work. So they installed these other ones. Conduit. And are coming back now to get approval for those lights. I see. Thank you. Could you just put a picture up for us to just to refresh our memories? Of course. Thank you. And. So the conduit that was already there when we. Least the building is the same conduit that our electrician bought and used. To install the new lighting. I just didn't have a chance to paint it. The color of the building. Because of the time of year. So that will take place. To hide the conduit. Standing out. So this is some of the new conduit here. And it goes up and then goes behind the sign to get up to the lights. That's the existing. Yeah. This is existing conduit. To the lights on either side of the entryway door. It actually goes. And goes over the front. Yeah. Because there's a light over this window. I'll just scroll to that. So it stopped. Here. Right. Yeah. It stopped at this light and they've added this along with the lights. And then they've added this little black. Holders. Yeah. But they continued the same line of conduit there and then up. In here. But that'll all get painted once it's. Warm and dry. So they did these. Lights. I might. I'll need some. I may need some details in the bulbs you're putting in there. We'll have to go back and forth on which bulbs you put in. I know it calls for 60 watt. It doesn't tell me what lumens. So. We may go back and forth a little bit. Outside of here to get it within the right lumen allowance and the warm white. Yeah. So we'll just. Yeah. I don't think you gave me the info on the bulb. That info on the. On the. It seems as though the conduit maybe could be. That's visible if it were. Tucked up under the. Cap above the window there, the blue trim that projects out. Then it wouldn't be right across the front of that. Um. Facing piece in the window, but. I don't know. I mean the window, the conduit on the left is already there. So maybe it would be hard to move it up. I don't know. The whole light. Pardon me. Do you have to move the light itself? Uh-huh. The conduit. It's just kind of a shame that it just comes right across that trim piece. Um, instead of, you know, kind of being hidden along the edge. I liked. The other, I guess is why we decided to go with. The same plane as the other. We wanted to keep it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I can understand that. Right though. It would have been nice if they had done that to begin with. What. Yeah. One other question about the, the artwork. Um, they were in the notes. They were, it was commenting that they would be hung with appropriate fasteners for minimal damage to the building. They're also undercover. Is that shark supposedly undercover as well? No, the cut, the, uh, the, uh, the deck railing, the bottom railing is totally exposed. So the, the dragon. And the, but you wouldn't have to fasten anything to the actual, you could wrap around the railing to keep it there versus, versus drill into it. No, I meant the, the shark and the picture is that undercover. So ice doesn't come down. Oh, the ice. Actually I was, the ice does not come down on the railing. The, that deck is, um, further over the river than the top deck and the Eve. So the icicles actually fall onto the decking, not the railing. Okay. And then notes said that the art is undercover, but the shark goes like it's out. Beyond the, yeah, that, that, I don't know why it says that. That's that whole deck railing is exposed. So, but the other two pieces will be undercover. The dragon and the squid. Yes. Squid. Squid. Yeah. No, that's an octopus. You're right. Yeah. I got in trouble. Squid on the inside. Whatever it's, it's our, you can call it whatever you like. It's the artist. Who is the artist? That's Aaron. And the pictures are not great. This was just kind of cut out. Put on. Well, the dragon. Mounted in a way that it might spin and move. Well, you know, I was wondering about maybe wrapping the dragon on the, around the metal bracing. Oh, huh. That knee brace. It could look coil. Yes. Instead of actually attached to the building. Yeah. What we were talking to Meredith about earlier was proposing maybe getting permission. To attach artwork on certain areas of that. Side of the building. Yeah. Anywhere that would make sense. The three pictures representing it right now, maybe. All that ever goes up there, but if we did want to put something else say under the deck. Is that, can we bring that picture up again? Is there. I just, I needed to. Yeah, yeah. Signing on. No, that's fine. I think there's even a better picture of the under deck. This is the one you're talking about. Yeah. But there's another picture that that's fine. Yeah. So basically any of the wall under top deck. So the first taught the top here. Yeah. So if you go under that. No, no under the, the, the actual bottom of the. Yes. There you go. There you go. Yeah. Right. Right. So. Yes. So that wall. The wall up the stairs and then the lower railing is really the only place that we would consider putting anything. The way it appears now that it looks like the shark is hanging over the river. Yeah. So the shark would be attached to that railing and it would appear. That's, that's the way it would look like it's. Hanging off of. Off of the railing. Does it jut out enough to be over the river? Yes, it is over there. It would be over the river. Hi, this is Eric. I just joined the meeting. I had trouble with zoom. Sorry. Yeah. The application is broken into two parts because of the. The first part is the art sculptures hanging from the building. And the two new railings. Are they are the railings shown in the. Continued application. Give me a second. I might be able to. Circulated to everybody before. Yeah. Here's a good picture. All right. Can people see this? Yeah. So there's the railings. Shorter handrails here and then the metal handrails. Here. Those are the railings and those were. Perfectly fine with the building inspector. And. When we looked at it before, I don't think anybody had any issues, but we just had, we had Ben and Steve and Eric. These are probably a little fresh for Liz and Martha. And Meredith, what is that that's on top of it? Is that the awning? That's not going to be. Correct. So that awning won't be there at all. Yeah, that won't be there at all. Okay. So right now it's discussion of the art and these railings. And I can also. Get a little somewhere in here we have that's what the shark, where the shark is hanging now, right? Yes. So that's, you can get a little sense of how far it sticks out from a wall. How big it is. Okay. And hold on. There's. The octopus now inside. Are there side handles? Yeah. I have, I'll show you why I had that many of them. And that's when it occurred to me, I've got enough to make eight tentacles. Yeah. And then that's where the dragon is now. No. Oh.  But it's going to go with the proposing to put it on the side of the building, but that just gives you a little up close look what it looks like. I'm not very heavy either. So it's. So yeah, the application is for artwork. And then the railings that I showed you on the front, but this first. And. So the, so I had to break it out into two different criteria sheets. So we had, I have pulled a different criteria sheet. Because lighting has its own criteria to look at. And so the lighting and the menu board are going to be another run through of criteria. If that's okay. It just seemed easier than making. One where some criteria applied and some didn't seem a little confusing. Otherwise. On the menu board. Did you consider putting it on this. Right under the bent nail sign rather than in the middle of the clap boarding. Do you mean on the blue trim? Exactly. Um. It may be a little large. It may. Stick out past. Yeah. And I mean, it's not a. I could make it so it only sticks out on one side. It just would not be even on the, on the trim board. If it is larger than the trim board. It is larger than the trim board. Seems to be a little. Yeah. It'd be close. Um, but yes, that's doable. It just, uh, we'd rather that than say a no to it all together. I just have some concern that this very historical building is getting very cluttered. I'll keep in mind everything was taken down off the front. So there is nothing left. On the front of the building. This, this would be the only thing and it's strictly business related. Uh, let me think if I've got. About one second, let me go to. You have the front from the old packet. Side. No, I don't think I have a. Wide view of the front. To show you. Um, Yeah. The front is going to have. The. Windows. Right. You've got the big windows. And this. And. The. Lighting in this sign. Yeah. And the lighting is over the sign. There is no lighting for this menu board. Um, no. Yeah. There's, I mean, there's a light here that was already approved before they had their business over this window lights on either side of the door and then another light over here. I'm not sure they can. Fit too many more lights on the building and meet our max. They'd have to start taking lights off, I think. I know, but. My point would be that if you put it under the bent nail sign, it would get the effect of the light without having to use another lighting fixture. Yeah. I'm sure that. There would be some light thrown on that sign. For sure. You thought of mounting. Could you thought of mounting the menu board underneath to the right side of the doorway under the light that's there. I. Again, it's too big. It's too big. I didn't. Ideally, we're out of a nice house. Sorry. This is making people dizzy. Uh, It's not the full. Well, I mean, that's not the full. I mean, that would. Yeah. It might fit. It won't fit there because I held it up. I know. Well, it may be slightly wider than the. The trim board here. But the casing on the outside of the door. It gives you additional width before you actually get to the doorway itself. Is it going to fit though between the railing and the. Light. Actually probably not. Yeah. Because I don't. This one does not show the railing. So I didn't know how much room. Yeah. This is the, here's the top of the railing and there's a light. I don't think it's going to fit in there. It could fit. It could go on the side of the railing. You know what I mean? Um, Then it would just be a matter of if there's enough room. Yeah. I'm not on the committee, but isn't that thing going to make people stop in the doorway to read it. And block the entry. It also is not very symmetrical. If you don't have something on the other side, but. I don't have a problem with the current location that you're proposing. And I also believe that it would get. Basically the same amount of light. From the light fixture above in its current location as it would, if you moved it two and a half feet over to the right. Is that the height? It's going to be modded at. Yeah. Roughly, you know, I, I level it may not be the exact inch. But. Head level, average head level. Sure. We have to be able to get in there pretty easily to change the calendar. So. Yeah. It might, I would say the top of it would probably be right where the flagpole holder is on the blue. If you can see that. So maybe down one. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Probably. How are you going to attach that? Um. Sign. Uh, or four wood screws on each. Each. Each. Each corner. So, so you won't be damaging the clavits at all. Other than just the size of the whole of the screw. Right. Okay. Thank you. So to that end, it would be, um, if you can move that screw to the thicker part of the clavits, so you're not going through the thin part of the clavits, it would be less likely to split that. Sure. And I can pre-drill. All that stuff. Yeah. The other thing you may want to use as a small spacer. Just to keep it away from the clavits or rain doesn't collect behind it and leave a lot of space. Great idea. Yeah. I have a question about the, um, hand railings. Are they installed already? Yeah. Just thinking of, you know, like a kind of modern looking considering the age of the building, but. Um, Well, that, uh, railing itself or actually handicap railings. Uh-huh. That was required. I'm not sure the required.  Very dangerous. Uh-huh. I could sleep. Not a. Do any committee members have any other comments, questions or suggestions regarding the art sculptures. And the railings. I do this. There appears to be some sort of an art sculpture over the awning. Now I understand the awning is not going to be there anymore. Is that art sculpture still there? Nothing for art on the front of the building anymore. And. Won't be unless. You know, Something changes in your minds. That we're. Okay to do that. The awning. Um, Martha, the awning. That has the art sort of built into it. Um. Needs a building permit. And the, the, uh, Building inspector wasn't willing to. Provide that without, um, An engineer's. Okay. And outside engineer approving it. Um, so they're going to remove that. Which includes. The art on top of the awning. I've already taken the dragonfly off the top. That's gone. Yeah. So only the awning remains. Yep. And so the, And the awning will come down once the, The weather cooperates with that. Okay. If they want to put a different awning up, They'll need to work with Chris and our office again.  The handrails. The handrails. The handrails. The handrails. In front of the building, There are just the handrails. We'd like to have the display case. And then the conduit for the lights. That's all that's on the front. Yeah. And the lights. No, no art. Yeah. Yeah. No art at all. It's a one way street. Can't help but see it. When you were approaching the building from Langdon street. Anyway. The art. Oh yeah. On the right side, It's a one way street. If you're going down that street. Absolutely. That's why your suggestion of it hanging on that side. It makes total sense. And that's a lot of foot traffic comes from that side too. Yeah. But on your comment about the art on the front of the dragonflies. This is one of those reasons why I was hoping maybe we could approve more spaces on this side. I would like to hang the dragonfly. Yeah. Somewhere. Maybe under the deck. Behind say the octopus on that wall. But you know, as an artist, I get inspired and these, these ideas come into my head. Randomly. So it's hard to do this every time with those ideas. So it would just be nice to have an approval for. Any or all of the spaces on the side of this building that we're talking about. You know, I think it would be nice to have this new pieces come in old pieces come off. It would just save. A lot of time. Unfortunately, this is one of those things where our design regulations. Probably need some work for the public art idea of. Potentially approving, you know, locations for similarly sized art to be switched out with similar. In the way. If you keep adding too many things, then it becomes cluttered. And you don't want it to look.  I think you could, you know, you could swap out pieces, but if you start adding too many more pieces than one, one of the issues in the criteria is. Is covering up architectural features of the building. If you have the piece of the three pieces now, it's fairly reasonable. If you start adding too many more pieces, you're going to start running into covering up. Features of the building itself, which are important in the neighborhood. I know it'd be nice to do that and understand why you want to do it, but I don't see how we can do. We can approve something that we don't really know what it is. We've always, you know, been pretty sure about what things are going to turn out to be. Yeah, my, my only comment on that is. And the picture is small, but right now you're looking at. Garbage cans and propane tanks. So. I just, I just would like anything to take your eye away from that in my mind would be a good thing. But you know, we get used to looking at things and we, we forget that it's actually an eyesore already.  That's why I'd like to hang things on that railing Eric, because that shark is actually much bigger than the picture looks like. And I would like it to be back further to actually hide most of the propane tanks. You wouldn't even see that. I think that would be great because that the, the shark does look small on the, on the. In this rendering. I think putting it down. On the. Right in there. Yep. Right where Meredith is pointing would be fine. I thought I would go and that's, I wasn't in touch with our graphic designer. She did this for us. I think it would be great. I think it would be great. Yeah. That's where I was imagining it going. We could give you a choice on that one. I would think. Now, what about anything under the deck over the, the propane tanks and the garbage cans. So in addition to the octopus, you mean. So the octopus is actually hanging from the upper deck, not on the walls. So the wall space under the deck is, it's still. I think it would be hard maybe. To see it. If you have. The octopus and the shark right there. Well, again, and they're not exactly. I'm pretty good at. Space. Making the space for pieces. And my, my artwork is very colorful. Some of it. So it would. I don't know if there's room underneath the bottom, you know, the, the first floor deck. Hanging over the river. For example, the dragonfly. Probably. In there. That's, that's what I'm thinking. Go. Specifically. Yeah. So that piece. I could attach to the wall itself. Yeah. Yep. So it would be flat against the wall, like a, like a fly on a wall kind of thing. Yes. Exactly. Would that not crowded too much by having the shark, the octopus and the. Dragonfly crammed into that one space. Well, again, if you can imagine the shark all the way to the end of the deck, hiding the propane tanks. The octopus is actually going to be turned over. The other way. The other way. And it could also be put further to the end of the deck. And then the dragonfly could actually live in the first. Yep. Right there. The first square. I might look really nice. Where you have the dragon. On the wall. Absolutely. And that's what I mean. So you can interchange certain pieces and put the dragon down below because the dragon. Is also very shiny and colorful in it.  That's what I mean. I would just like to be able to interchange pieces, new pieces with old, if you approve certain areas. That would be the. Best case scenario for us. So sort of like a sign plan, but for art. So they have the same general. Sizes and locations. We also, we don't really, we don't have that in there. So it's. The only issue would be. They could, I'm not sure if there's a way they could get administrative approval for something they wanted to swap out that we haven't seen yet. Or yeah, I mean, that's the, would the, would the be needing to look at things or fast. I don't, I don't know. Well, but they, but they are how they're fast. And I mean, there are a lot of. And again, a lot of it has to do with the criteria. You know, there's a lot of compatibility issues with. The neighborhood. And then in adjacent properties, you know, there's a lot of compatibility issues with. The neighborhood and adjacent properties and, and again, it's hard to get blanket approval for just putting up anything. I mean, even the artwork that's, even though it's temporary artwork that it's gone on the buildings has come for approval. Well, Stephen. So just to blanket. We have this article that just came out. Art culture is an integral part of Montclair's identity. From signs, murals to sculptors art intertwines with Montclair's historical architecture. So I hear what you're saying, but there are people are already trying to tie the two together and make this work for Montclair. And so there's already precedent set.  You know, again, it's all relative. There's certain people that think that's beautiful. That's great. But there is one saying precedent and an argument to that. Yes. And, and, but it's not necessarily a blanket that you can hang anything you want. Sure. Coming for approval. That's what I'm saying. If you want to, if you want approval, not those four pieces and a balanced basis on that side of the building, that doesn't cover architectural features. That's fine. But I don't think we can get blanket approval for anything you've decided to come up with. That you want to hang up. I agree. Completely agree with you, Steve. Understand Montclair's is doing a lot of art things, but we've been very careful about where they're placed on the building. So they don't interfere with the interpretation of the building. I think one could argue that that's what's happening here that by sort of. Keeping all the art on one side of the building away from the front of the building and away from Elm Street and taking this facade and saying, okay, this is. Truthfully, a pretty ugly part of this building and make making an effort to sort of. Say, okay, great. This is a spot to be able to put up that art feels like a similar argument that. We are. Saying, okay, we've left all the other pieces of this building that are historical and important alone. But we're saying. This is a spot that. Can be actually. Made more attractive and better. Than not looking at the propane tanks looking at the garbage cans or looking at the compressors for the heat pumps that like. Sure, there's, there's some spaces for this. So. I guess I see it as. We are maintaining that sort of control over where this art is being placed. While also getting some flexibility to the artist who is. Kind of do his best for the nice building and trying to sort of meet our codes. So. That's, I see that argument a different way. I really, I really appreciate. Moving the art, the proposal to move the art around to this side of the building. I think that's it. That works really well. Right. And I think, you know, we have our. A lot. On the river side of buildings. In my failure. So I think it really ties in with that. The existing art that we have right now. On the other side of the bridge are those cables across with little flags on. Right. Right. And out of the cross or ever. There's that. Springy fingers. Device. That's it. Hangs out. Right. Right. In the river. And there's a device. That's it. Hangs out over the river. I don't know how to. What to call it. Yeah. I think that's fine. I think that is. Again. I don't have any issue with, you know, changing some stuff out, but again, if there is a way that we can condition it on administrative approval rather than to go through another whole process. To change the art out. Is that a possibility? I think that's, if that's, I think the committee can put that in as a condition. Okay. I think that's great. Oh, the great way to handle it. Okay. Yeah. That, that it's, it can, with administrative. Authorizing administrative review of switching out. So it's still be an administrative permit. Right. It's still be an administrative design review if you're putting. Switching out art pieces in the same general space. General size. Right. Similar, similar attachment. Yes. So again, we do we give. Approve the addition of the, of the. And whatever arrangement you want to make. Of the four pieces you have now, including the dragonfly. So that it doesn't cover up architectural features. Clap words and the lower railing are fine. But again, not covering up like window trim or corner boards. Maybe we could identify what we consider. The architectural features on this side, such as the window trim and the corner board. It's basically everything, but the clappers. And of course, architectural features, the, the poles. They are angled up that support the upper deck wouldn't be considered a historical architectural feature. So again, you're just not covering up. When to trim corner boards, when to trim or trim corner boards, but placing it like the, like the. Dragon here is just, there's clappers behind it. But again, if you, depending on how that's mounted, if it's spaced off the wall, I mean, as you go by it, you see the clappers behind it anyway. So I, uh, pertaining to that specifically, I could also spiral that. Dragon around one of those metal supports to not even be an issue. That would look very, look very cool in my opinion also. But again, that's either under the deck or. And again, that could be spiral around one of the metal posts, but not one of the. Corner right posts on the metal pieces on the deck itself. Yes. And again, the idea is to have the art there so that people see it. And again, hiding some of the utility stuff, but not again, not covering up any of the historical architectural components. Absolutely. And if, you know, whether it's me or some other zoning administrator is like, uh, I don't know. If they're not comfortable with it, then it would come back to DRC for specific items. But. So just to be clear, are we talking about the whole side of the building that is not architectural? Any of the clop board areas is pretty much up for grabs. Okay. I just want to. I think up to up to four pieces. Is that what you guys are talking about? Yes. Yeah. Up to four pieces. Okay. Others. We don't want to see 12 pieces there. I mean, you're covering up the whole side of the building. I think the idea is to have some art that you notice and compliments the building rather than the tracks. Okay, that's fair. Sure. Okay. I think that's doable. Well, it can be traded out. Sure. Any other comments, questions or suggestions regarding the sculptures. Uh, and the railings. I see no hands. Okay. So I have to go through the criteria. Um, I'm going to go through the criteria. Um, Number one, exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing buildings should be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building or other properties in the district. Uh, the removal of historic materials or alteration of features and spaces that characterize as an historic property shall be avoided. construction techniques or examples of craftsmanship. They characterize an historic building, shall be preserved. There are no deteriorated features for this. So we can skip the rest of that. Any treatments that cause damage to historic materials, including but not limited to chemical or physical treatments such as sandblasting shall not be approved. So the railings and the artwork, given the other conditions that we talked about are acceptable. Existing buildings shall be recognized as a physical record of their time, place, and use. Any new development shall be differentiated from the old, but shall respect and be compatible with the massing size scale, architectural features, detailing, and overall character of the primary historic building and nearby historic properties. Acceptable. Alterations to buildings called for by public safety, accessibility, and fire codes shall be designed to maintain the character of the construction materials and features to the maximum extent feasible, acceptable. Architectural features, including but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights, and tabulator, trim, and other forms of molding or character defining detailing prevailing on the existing building shall be considered in any alteration of a building. And again, with the placement, as we discussed of the art, so it doesn't cover any of the features other than the clapboards, is acceptable. Aren't they, they're allowed to cover the railings? No. The lower railings. Does the lower railing with the shark attached so that it's on the outside of the railing? Yep. And again, back behind, it's a trade-off and in the backside covering the tanks is a good trade-off. Yeah. So again, the approval is for the four pieces, current pieces of artwork. And again, in locations that don't cover character defining details of the building other than the clapboards and again, the railing for the shark in the back. And any changes, and again, would be subject to administrative approval. You don't have to go through this whole process again. I was gonna ask you what the difference is. I'm not exactly sure what that means. It would be a permit downstairs. We would just say, yep, you meet the designer of you. You run a car. Just send me a picture of... Bring a picture in and show up downstairs and find Meredith and... Okay. Do you wanna switch something out? As long as it's not too over the top, you're fine. It's all pretty similar, right? I mean, I do have some much bigger pieces, but I would never try to... Again, I'm sorry. I was gonna say a 12-foot elephant might not fit anywhere there. I think it's a penguin boat.  So that I probably wouldn't... I wouldn't try so much. I promise. Only things that make sense. And based on those conditions, do I hear a vote from the members? All in favor, say Subikir names. Ben. Liz. This is Martha. I'm a hesitant, okay. What did she say? She's a hesitant, okay. Is Eric still there? Yeah, Eric. What do you say on the art and the railing? You're muted, Eric. One thing I think it came up just in the conversation about the scale and size ought to be put in whatever the administrative approval part. Okay, now that we can add that. Yep, I'm good with it, I think. Okay, and I say yes as well again with the conditions for any change out of the pieces other than the four that are currently on board. So that portion is approved. And we can go on to the second portion of the application, which is for the lights and the menu board. Does anyone have any comments, questions, or suggestions before we go through the criteria there? Well, I would still rather see the menu board on the side trim on the blue part of the painted area. On the corner board? Yeah. I would prefer that, but I'm good either way if it doesn't fit on the corner board. We can give them an option of putting it in either place unless there's a strong feeling about one place or the other. My only feeling is I don't want it to overhang the corner board. If it's too big for the corner board, I think it's gonna look kind of funny. Otherwise, I'm totally fine with it on the corner board. Is the signboard already made? The glass front purchase, yeah. I didn't get artistic with that, if that's what you mean. That was just a buy. I think it looks kind of crowded on the corner board myself. I don't mind it on the clavards as long as it doesn't do any damage to the clavards other than the screw holes. Actually, the color of the frame around it is more compatible with the clavards than it is the corner board. Anyway, the height of it, you probably should mount it so that, like you said, probably about a five foot height to the center. That's a fairly standard for readability. So five feet is somewhere right in here. That's all we need. Which is five, six, six. But it's also readable for somebody who's six, four. Right. Two, so that's a standard closet height for a closet, right, five feet. So from the center. You don't want somebody too short if it's high. You don't want somebody who's too short. It's straining to read it. Five feet from the ground. Yeah, so the center. And again, that's just a ballpark. It doesn't have to be exact. Any other comments regarding the lights and the new menu board? I'm sad about the conduit, but I don't believe it. I believe it predated their moves and I don't know what else to do about it. I'm not clear about the dates of the conduit. Is there anything clear about when the conduit for the lights over the windows were installed. And the other stretch of it that goes up the side of the building goes across and up the corner board. That's new. Yep. So from the, because you missed that part of the discussion, Eric. Yeah. Hold on one second. I'll do a quick gut time because there's nothing else. So this is existing old conduit stretches across and goes to this light. And these lights were already installed by the prior business owner. And maybe even before sweet Melissa's. It's not 100% clear from the permit record. And then this conduit was just added by the applicants at the same, so trying to continue the same line of the old stuff. And they'll be painting this all to match what's behind it once it gets warm enough again. I think the whole conduit installation is poor, but I don't have any problems with the addition. Yep. I think that's where Ben was at too. And I am happy to come up with something much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye artistically if you'd rather. I'm sure I can do a better job than just conduit, but that would be something, again, artistic on the front of the building. So you'd have to decide what you'd rather look at, I guess. Oh, a whole line of snakes, that would work. It doesn't even have to be animal related Eric. It could simply be abstract or whatever. Well, it could look like a ribbon blowing in the wind. I could make something really nice that doesn't really have any animal attachments. That's an option for sure. Well, happy to say. Well, the other thing to remember also is that painting an already painted surface doesn't come through design review. So you can always play with that idea. They're going to get painted. Yeah. I'm just not sure paint alone would cover what you are unhappy about. You work it into something else on the building. But then you've already got everything painted. So in a way that I will blend in much better. It will blend in much better. Well, not the new part so much, but the old part is just a sloppy installation to begin with. That's even worse. This at least is straight. Well, you need a nice bend there and the bend from the light to up above from right in there is just like you had an extension cord or something. Yeah, I mean, I think they should have tucked it underneath the window hoods or the painted hood. What about this? Meredith just gave me an idea. What if I make it look like vines? I could paint, binary and flowers, make it look like it's supposed to be like that, Eric. You know, kind of like a vine doesn't have right form. Blooming flowers, vines and leaves. Give it some thought, let me know. I think anything you add to it is going to make it look even more obtrusive. Okay, that's fine. I agree with Steve. Yeah, we make it even more obvious. Okay, well, that's fine. I mean, in new construction or in a renovation, a thorough renovation, all that wiring would have been inside the walls, the exterior walls, and then you would have drilled through just for the box and the cover for the light and there wouldn't have been any of that showing, but. You were dealt a hand that was already there. In a building you don't know. Yes. So I think at this point, I think just painting it, I mean, you certainly notice the conduit when you get up close and looking at it at this angle, paint it in from a distance that might fade away a little bit. On the other side of the road, it's a little harder to notice when it's painting. Again, any other comments since there's not much we can do about the existing, pre-existing conduit? No. Okay, and again, a lot of it has to do with the fact that you inherited some of the installation. Exterior number one, again, exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing buildings should be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building or other properties in the district. The removal of the start materials that's not applicable character defining features, finishes and construction techniques or examples of craftsmanship. The character as an historic building shall be preserved. And again, no deteriorated features. Any treatments that cause damage to start materials including the not limited chemical or physical treatments such as hand vicing are not approved. The application for the lighting and the menu board are acceptable. Existing buildings shall be recognized as a physical record of their time, place and use. Any new developments shall be differentiated from the old but shall respect and be compatible with the massing size scale, architectural features detailing an overall character of the primary historic building and nearby historic properties. Again, acceptable. Architectural features including but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights, and tabulator trim and other forms of molding or character defining detailing prevailing on the existing building shall be considered in the alteration of a building. That's acceptable. Outdoor lighting fixtures, the structural design of outdoor lighting fixtures shall be compatible with the architectural design and function of the building and compatible with the neighborhood. Acceptable. All in favor of the applications. Speak your names. When I say something, Steve, I think there ought to be a note that the reason we're accepting that conduit is because it was of the prior installation. And we certainly don't want to match that workmanship. Yes. I think that was critical in my, you know, if the current applicant had put all that up, I would be voting no. We wouldn't have. He's writing now. What I'm thinking about when I make suggestions like this is precedent. If somebody comes in and they, well, they put that stuff on the outside of the building, you know, that got a permit. I don't want any more of it. And we've already seen that in other circumstances. Before we get too far away from it on the menu board, I'm persuaded by the argument that it would blend more to be near the clapboards because of the color of the frame. That is a persuasive point. Okay. So I can see it on the clapboarding area. We can just, I mean, accept that with the current application, which is for the proposed location. I have to make any, I mean, we just, That's fine with me. Seems to be the preferred location, again, based on compatibility of the trend. What's one of the things about this, the sculpture and the menu board are easily reversible. Yes. So that if somebody wants to put it back the way it was, that's fine. It's easy. It is. We said the acceptance of the conduit for the electrical lighting is based on the fact that there's precedent due to the existing conduit, which has been in place for years before the current addition of the new lights. Very good. Thank you, Steve. So again, everybody in favor, speak your names. Ben. Martha. Liz. And Steve. So it's approved. And I need to finish writing that one on. Okay. I can sign that. Okay. If you'd like. Yep. So we'll put your signatures on these. You have a pen? Yep. Okay. And Steve's going to be writing about that. Okay. And again, basically, and I was going to say that it's proof of the four current pieces spaced on the building. So again, it doesn't cover, according to the criteria, it doesn't cover any of the architectural features. And then again, any changes can be administratively approved just by walking into the office with a picture and proposal of patients. Is it? We can be excused. You can be excused. Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate it. Thank you for coming back. Absolutely. And making the changes. I thank you. I apologize. Last time I was under the COVID cloud. So I wasn't feeling so well. So thank you for coming back. And good luck with your projects as spring weather comes around. And hopefully things get busy again. Well, a couple of weeks. Now is there still the exterior glass? There is. I left them in for the insulating property. Oh, okay. I was wondering. Now I would actually like to try to take them out and store them somewhere so we can put them back and store them in. You guys aren't going to need to take them out. We don't have the suction cups to hold on to. We don't have the suction cups to hold on to. Thank you. Good luck. Anybody had a chance to look at the meeting minutes from February 22nd? Yeah. I'll make a motion to accept them the way they are. Was that a second? Yes. Liz. Okay. All in favor of the minutes to speak your names. Martha. Liz. Ben. Eric Staines because he wasn't there. And Steve. So the minutes are approved by four votes. Does anyone have anything else to add at this point? Nope. Then do I hear a motion to adjourn? So moved. And I'll second it. This is Martha. Okay. All in favor, speak your names. Eric. Martha. Liz. Ben and Steve. Meeting is adjourned.


YouTube team keep it clean YouTube team keep it clean what's going on the same grave in here with another video Shout out to my aunt. She made this fire mask for me She made another one too that y'all are really really gonna like but I show that to y'all in another video But anyway in this video We all know him especially us Ravens fans Broncos fans are familiar with him too. Really everybody in the NFL knows who this guy is He's probably the most handsome QB in the league Yeah, even better than Brady, but anyway Joe Flacco Joe Flacco has had Quite the career He obviously spent the majority of it with the Baltimore Ravens in which his first five years They they rival really the best five years that anybody could have the especially being your first five years in the league Just consistent winning the teams around him were great. He was just surrounded by amazing this Especially on defense offense. Yes some parts here and there, but I'm First five years nothing but winning nothing but winning and in each of the first five years They won at least one playoff game They were AFC championship appearances and then of course the fifth year topped it all off Topped it all off and they ended up winning the Super Bowl then of course Joe Flacco. He he set the market He reset the market at quarterback and he got his 120 million dollar deal Six-year deal, which of course they would revisit Within three years and they did just that and then they did reconstruction and then he got paid again And he not once but twice became the highest paid QB in the league Then later on with his years with the Baltimore Ravens things started to get a little bit shaky and it's one of those situations where We all know how it goes. Um, of course Share Cheryl Pete. She just talked about in the previous video When you pay your quarterback when you pay him market value whether they deserve it or not Whether you feel like they are that guy or not when you pay your quarterback market value It it takes away a lot around them and you can't build the super teams that you've had before Because you got to pay your quarterback market value and they do take up a large chunk of the salary cap space So once Joe Flacco once he did that it wasn't like the Ravens still couldn't put together teams they can still put together some teams now, but Things just changed and I think the Ravens their perception of him or what they really wanted him to be Was the quarterback that can carry this team the quarterback that can elevate the guys around him the quarterback that can make his receivers that much better and I almost think when they did that. I think maybe Ozzy knew some in company I I think maybe it was sort of like a pride thing like hey We paid this guy this money because we know that he can do it We know that he can carry this team We know that he can get this job done and even if they didn't fully believe that I feel like the contract may have sort of Almost forced their hand a little bit or they may have forced their own hand by giving him the contract And I am not one of the people who feels like Joe Flacco That he shouldn't have got the contract. I completely understand why they gave him the deal. He had just won the Super Bowl he had just he had literally just won the Super Bowl and You don't you don't get rid of the quarterback that won you the Super Bowl And I know there's some people that oh, it was a defense. It was a defense. Trust me Joe Flacco had plenty to do with them getting that Super Bowl But then again, like I said in the years following that he got a little bit shaky with the team I think they only made the playoffs like one time After that with Joe Flacco for the seasons that he was a starter for the entire season because they made it in 2014 and then that was it That was it So Into Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson was drafted at the end of the first round in 2018 And then Joe Flacco he got a hip injury and I think it was week nine against the Pittsburgh Steelers And then there was the bi-week and then after that it was a Lamar Jackson show and the Ravens never looked back on Joe Flacco He remained on the bench and then eventually they traded them to the Denver Broncos Once they traded them to the Denver Broncos he became the starter there They had drew lock there as a backup. The Joe Flacco was the guy he quality veteran Plenty of experience played in literally every single type of game played in literally every single type of weather And they knew who they were getting in one Joe Flacco but then He got a neck injury, which I I was a little bit skeptical of initially when it first came out that his neck was injured because It was a coincidence that Joe Flacco's neck got injured after he started Not even bad mouthing but really telling the truth about Broncos coaching staff that they just they weren't getting it done They weren't really putting them in positions to win So I just thought it was some phantom injury because they all of a sudden put him on injury reserve right after that And then they put in drew lock for the rest of the year But then he did have recently he had surgery and they said he should be good to go around like August September So right before the season starts Joe Flacco should be straight. But the question is Where's he gonna land? Where's he gonna end up? Who is Joe Flacco going to play for and that's a really good question Because I don't think he's done. I think if Joe Flacco was done I think he would have he would have already put in his retirement papers. I think he would have been like, yeah That's a wrap. I that's enough for me But um The for him he has some slim pickings right now. He has some very slim pickings Um, of course and I didn't I never thought he was gonna go there But the door is pretty much shut on him going to the Seahawks since they just resigned Geno Smith Like not even an hour ago, but one of the teams that Caught my eye because of my guy ace buggy shout out to him check out his YouTube channel to his ace buggy He's a bingles fan. It was Cincinnati And he was the one that actually brought this up and I was thinking wow that is actually it actually makes sense If Joe Flacco were to go to the bingles as a backup because that's that's what it's looking like He's gonna be now is a backup He does have some some chance of being a starter somewhere But again pickings are very very slim Like he could the only place I could see him going to compete for a starting job Um, I know the Bears got like 80 quarterbacks there. So that would be one The Bears the The dolphins but they have Ryan Fitzpatrick So they got their veteran guy and somebody that already knows the system So I feel like it would be no point in bringing in one Joe Flacco But then the Patriots The Patriots That could be one too that could be a sneaky one because I know they got Brian Hoya We know they got stitum, but Flacco him going to the Patriots. It's it's like it's like a no-lose situation So win-win situation Well, not necessarily win-win because they who knows how many games they will win, but it's There will be no pressure and not saying that Joe Flacco can't take the pressure because he's been through all kinds of pressure in his career, but um if he was to go to New England Then he's in a situation great coaching staff, obviously Do they have the best weapons? No But he's used to that when he was with the Ravens But if they could just get him a few more pieces a few pieces because they got the defense already They got the defense they got the coaching staff and that makes a big difference But if you could just have a decent offense, you just you never know you never know And you know this guy was something about them playoffs man when it comes to them playoffs Flacco Just he turns into a different animal So New England could be somewhere he could go, but that's the only place that I could see him have a legitimate shot to actually be a starter Only New England and then it will still be hard there because you're still like I said you have stittum in Hoya So you would have to compete with both of those guys. What do England keep three quarterbacks? Who knows? But um as far as where he could go to be a backup Some places that I could see The Jets they do love former Ravens The bingles and the Jaguars The Jaguars, I think the Jaguars could be a good I know they drafted a quarterback like in the sixth round I believe but I think the Jaguars could be a good spot for him to land as a backup, but and then the Raiders too the Raiders as well, but other than that I just I Don't see much opportunity for me and I'm not sure what what the Giants have behind there second-year quarterback, but they just did this it's not much room out there for So because I mean you got Cam Newton still sitting out there Andy Dalton I mean he was only on a he was only on free in free agency for two days and he got signed like that, but um It's getting slim pickings man teams roster's are filling up to 90 and obviously if somebody were to bring Joe Flacco along They could obviously cut somebody and then put them on but It's getting slim out there man So with Joe Flacco The situation that he he may have to wait for the situation to become available and again, unfortunately worst part about football injuries, but They injuries have created jobs injuries have created Hall of Famous Andries have created opportunities. We see it every single year man Starting guy he's playing whether he's playing good whether he's playing bad He gets hurt boom insert backup guy takes over the league happens all the time all the time And I say that Joe Flacco take over the league, but That looks like the best the best path for him right now would be to come in as a backup so I Know just something I was thinking about wanted to share what y'all run about y'all see how y'all felt about it So y'all let me know in the comment section where you think Joe Flacco's actually gonna end up team keeping clean I appreciate y'all. I love y'all and I'm out You


Facebook is, uh, Heather Bellini is one of my absolute favorite analysts. I really like her. She's been completely level-headed throughout whatever storm has come, and her piece about Facebook really does make it clear that the concerns that were raised in the previous quarter, which were about ad load, may be mitigated by the fact that there's a lot of video. Video is the way to be able to have ads that aren't that intrusive, but certainly people are willing to watch. Now you layer on another piece this morning, a Callum piece about how, I'm not sure exactly which firm. I shouldn't say that. But there was a theory that is being put out, which is that Snap is losing business pretty rapidly to Instagram. That is something I believe to be true. I reiterate that Moffat Nathan's price target of $11 on Snap may actually be cogent here in the end after the $711 million share lockup expires.


What's up guys and welcome to one take today. We're talking about dark season 3 episode 7 titled between the time This video will of course have spoilers through episode 7 But I have not yet watched the finale to season 3 So no spoilers for episode 8 before we jump into it Just a quick reminder to hit that like button hit the subscribe button And of course the bell icons that get notified the next time we go live let's get into the episode But first I'm Gil and I'm here with my brother Daniel. Hey, thank you for having me I brought Daniel on because this is a complex show dealing with all sorts of crazy science and Daniel You majored in what physics and neuroscience so we have a genius with us today So he's gonna help break down the episode Overall, I thought this was another great episode It filled in a lot of gaps in the timeline stuff that we'd heard about but hadn't seen first-hand yet And it was a complicated episode in one sense because it jumped around a lot But in another sense it was actually sort of a straightforward episode Because it was just going through the motions getting us to the place where we know where we end up to me It felt like a series of short glimpses into these awesome little movies Which was good in one sense but also tough because I wish we could have spent more time in some of these scenarios The relationship between Noah and Elizabeth the friendship between Jonas and Noah that's very short-lived and Bartosh and Celia I feel like we got enough from each of these to feel the impact of the story and Buy everything that we saw but I wanted more Daniel, what did you think of the episode you agree with all that anything you'd add? Yeah, I completely agree like I think there were a lot of things I would have loved to get more time with I think one thing I mentioned especially during the episode was right like basically Jonas's transition right from Jonas to Adam Yeah, like we understand like how it happened, but it felt like we could have spent a lot more time Like right this was an eight episode season so was season two season one was ten episodes I think the season could have benefited from a couple more, but that's sort of like complaining that it was so good I wish we could have had more of it By the way, I want to mention at the top of this video that last episode or my review of last episode Episode 6 I was wrong I made a mistake when I talked about the multiple martyrs because of course you have Eva you have middle-aged Marta but in the previous episode we had three young martyrs running around there was the one that was trapped in the cage with Adam there was the one scrambling around hours before the apocalypse in 2019 and there was the one with the scar that killed Jonas I thought that all three of them were the same person from different points in the timeline Turns out I was wrong about that But we're gonna circle back to that at the end of this video when we revisit the Marta that's currently trapped with Adam With that, let's jump into the recap the episode began in the prime world in 1974 or we assume it's the prime world I think we had no reason to think that it's the alternate world nevertheless.  I thought that Adam ended the world and this was going to be some weird Well that reality got destroyed, but let's check in on another reality then it turned out we cut to HG townhouse Maybe recording a video or almost teaching a class or something wondering if you had the same reaction I did I don't think I didn't start running with this idea that like reality ended and this was some explanation of another reality I did just think it was like really cool right and it kind of broke the norm of how the show usually starts out Right, right and just briefly Schrodinger's cat is Essentially a thought experiment where a cat is in a box with some radioactive material that could kill the cat and Until we open the box to see whether or not the cat is alive. It exists in both states Simultaneously kind of like how Jonas both was killed and continues to exist simultaneously as townhouse is giving his narration about multiple realities We look at a moment. We've now seen multiple times 2020 prime world where the apocalypse is about to hit Marta has just perished and Jonas gets rescued by Marta from the alternate world If you recall in the last episode Magnus and Francisca came from the future Grabbed Alt Marta and recruited her to Adam's cause. They told her you need to go Rescue Jonas and bring him to your world. So she's about to do exactly that except this time Bartos shows up from the alternate world and stops her from going in He says Adam lied to you. He makes the apocalypse happen, but I know the origin I know how it's all connected come with me. We have a split screen We're on one side Marta goes in and rescues Jonas and on the other side. She doesn't instead She goes with Bartos. At this point I almost laugh every time one of the characters says so and so lied to you Because this happens so many times Adam tells you something. No, he was lying. No It tells you something. No, Claudia tells you something and no, she was lying So we've seen it so many times We had to get in at least one more before the series wraps up going back to townhouse He visits the grave for his son his daughter-in-law and his granddaughter We see their names Merrick Sonya and Charlotte the narration goes on about how we all have a desire to turn back time and Reverse death. So this is motivation for townhouse to start building a time machine And over the narration we hear a person is able to pursue a goal No matter how unattainable it may seem over the course of an entire lifetime No resistance no obstacles great enough to stop one from pursuing one's will and this Distinguishes us from animals who only have short-term desires first off when I heard this narration I found that super motivating until the next line later in the episode a man can do what he wills But he cannot will what he wills which I thought was a pretty brilliant line and it essentially explains the Jonas Adam transition because Jonas keeps looking at Adam this villain thinking I'll never do what he does and the fact of the matter is if Jonas doesn't want to be Adam He doesn't have to be but eventually he will want to be Adam And he will want to do the things that Adam does you can do what you will but you can't will what you will Anyway townhouse is building a time machine We have a montage of him building and building this began in 1974 and then the next time the clock shows up before we transition it says 1986 about 12 years goes by while he's building this time machine He's made a lot of progress on the machine townhouse goes to turn it on and a sort of fiery globe appears in the middle of it This whole sequence in the episode is pretty confusing because we're watching townhouse Build a time machine Whereas in season two in season one we saw Claudia deliver blueprints to townhouse We saw Jonas bring him a time machine So he didn't build his own time machine My thought was that this could be before these cycles all started Presumably before this ever-repeating cycle that we watched in seasons one and two There had to be a time where townhouse wrote the book a journey through time where he built his own time machine Then at the end of the cycle somebody took the knowledge of that time machine They took the book Claudia Jonas got involved They brought it back to the beginning to the point where townhouse didn't have to build a time machine to begin with And thus the cycle began the bootstrap paradox came into play Perhaps what we're seeing here is before this whole cyclical thing started This is the first cycle so to speak townhouse is building the machine himself Maybe this is the true origin. We keep talking about finding the origin point I think right here we're getting a glimpse of it But luckily we don't have to wait long to find out because i'm assuming this will be resolved in the final episode That's all we see of townhouse in this episode from there we cut to 1890 where Jonas is still working on the god particle machine He gets zapped in the arm which leaves a pretty bad burn And I think that gives us a little glimpse into how he's going to eventually look like adam These sorts of burns and disfigurements Bartosz gets frustrated. He starts yelling at Jonas We've been here for two years. He accuses Jonas of not wanting to stop the apocalypse Jonas says this is bigger than us. This is bigger than the apocalypse When the portal opens we can find the origin and destroy it That is paradise Bartosz says he doesn't want paradise. He just wants to get out of here Bartosz leaves he goes for a walk and in the woods We see sylvia arrive from the future. She changes into 1800s garb And then a love story begins and one thing this show is great at is showing Two characters meet and just communicating the feelings on their faces When one gets a crush on the other for example the first time elizabeth and noa met I could just tell something was happening there or the first time charlotte and peter meet And then this moment where Bartosz meets sylvia for the first time You can just see the connection form in their faces And this was one of those stories where I would have loved to have spent more time with it the bartosz sylvia love story Anyway fast forward from 1890 about 14 years to 1904 Bartosz and sylvia are together and she gives birth to a baby that they named hano Which we know is actually noa at that point Bartosz's face I thought I saw a change in his expression because I think this is the moment where he realizes He is moving along the predetermined path that he saw so many years earlier or technically many years in the future But I think that bartosz knows the name hano tauber And he knows that this baby is noa and he realizes that this is the beginning of sykmundis And from that point forward we don't really see bartosz fight with Jonas again And I think he's essentially resigned himself to the life that he knows He's going to lead and he becomes like everybody else a sort of tragic figure because he knows this baby is going to become noa And spend his entire life Dedicated to the sykmundis cause We fast forward again from 1904 to 1910 Where sylvia gives birth to noa's sister and she dies during childbirth The woman who assisted in the birth when bartosz shows up She tells bartosz that sylvia wanted to name the baby agnes And at the mention of the name agnes bartosz Looks at hano looks at noa and he again has that look of realization on his face And I think it's just him again reflecting that he's along this predetermined path fast forward one year to 1911 and Bartosz gets a visit from hannah Hannah arrives with her and igan's child who we know will grow up to be sylvia She has the same scar on her face And hannah sees bartosz who brings her to meet with Jonas And at this moment watching the episode I had to reflect On how crazy it is how far we've come from where we started at the beginning of all this They were in high school. We watched marta perform in the ari adnei play. There were Antics in high school. They were smoking pot and now hannah has traveled back in time to 1911 with a child Who will eventually grow up to get with bartosz who will give birth to noa, etc It's just crazy to look at where we've ended up Anyway, bartosz escorts hannah to meet with her son on the way there He warns hannah that Jonas has changed traveling has left its mark As soon as we heard that I knew that what we were about to see Was going to be a prototype adam or a Jonas that looks a lot more like adam than he does Jonas We cut to adam staring at the painting of hell that we often see him staring at and daniel You're a neuroscience major. I've got to think that constantly staring at images of torture and suffering Probably not great for the psyche. Yeah, probably not super healthy. Okay. That's what I thought and I'm glad to have the validation So like I said when he turns he looks like a young adam now He has all the facial disfigurements hannah introduces Jonas to his sister Silja and Jonas asks, how did you find us? Then hannah reveals that an old woman showed up on her doorstep a woman named Eva And she said that she knew you were here and that you were looking for me And hannah says you were right. I ruined everything, but I'm here now Then Jonas asks Bartos to prepare their chambers for a moment when he said chamber I worried that it was some kind of a place where they were going to be held captive But in the 1800s vernacular chambers means bedroom or something along those lines After Jonas sends hannah away We have a moment where the camera focuses on his face And it looks like his eyes are getting a little teary to me So even though he has the hardened adam exterior I do think he still has feelings Which he's just sort of stifling and trying to bottle up that night hannah is asleep in the same room as silja And Jonas walks into the room Then tells hannah who just woke up that he needs to get all the pieces in place But silja doesn't belong here and neither do you Then he kills hannah by in the worst way possible. I feel like one of the worst ways Not even choking her but just smothering her with his bare hands So he kills hannah and then takes silja away Presumably to send her to the future. We know that we see silja in the 2050s She's the one that welcomes Jonas to the future at the end of season one Now seeing adam seeing Jonas kill his own mother You would think it would be an emotionally devastating thing to see But honestly at this point in the series and everything we're seeing Things are so bleak. It kind of felt like sure just pile on one more tragedy And I was kind of just numb to it not a criticism of the show But just how i'm feeling at this point seeing these events play out. Yeah like in comparison I think when cat arena was killed by her mother last episode. I think like that was way more emotionally devastating. I thought Than than Jonas killing his mother. Yeah, I completely agree with that And I think when we were following the cat's arena storyline We hadn't yet floored it into bleak dark territory So those things still had an emotional impact later in the episode. We fast forward to 1920 But before we talk about that let's talk about 2021 Jonas has now been in the future working on the god particle for about a year Noah and Elizabeth have been together for about a year We see the two of them digging through the tunnels But of course they hit a dead end because the time tunnel is no longer active Elizabeth asks Noah to tell her about paradise So Noah tells her that paradise is a place that is Free of pain and suffering everything we've ever done is forgotten there Any pain we've ever felt is erased and all the dead live adam will keep his promise the passage will open I love this aspect of their relationship. It reminded me a lot of of mice and men Where the two main characters one of them always asks the other to tell them about the big farm They're going to own one day, but you also know that this is doomed They're not going to get to this paradise at least not in this cycle So it's very touching every time Noah tells Elizabeth about this But at the same time it's heartbreaking Because you know that Noah is incorrect We fast forward two years to 2023 Jonas is still working with claudia on the god particle machine And they are continuing to have no luck claudia tries to give Jonas a pep talk. It doesn't work Jonas says I can't do this anymore He goes home to hang himself from the same beam that michael hanged himself from years earlier But as Jonas hangs there young Noah shows up and cuts the rope preventing Jonas from dying Noah explains that because Jonas exists in the future He cannot die Noah hands Jonas the gun who tries to shoot himself several times But the gun won't fire then Noah takes it shoots in the gun fires Just fine proving his point that time will essentially protect Jonas from dying Because he exists in the future and that can't be changed Noah then informs Jonas that he and elizabeth found the passage He brings Jonas there and just like with elizabeth shows that it leads to a dead end But Noah tells Jonas the passage will open again adam i eu Will fulfill your promise of paradise and then he reminds Jonas that Adam said the two of us will become friends before you betray me something we heard back in season two Now when Jonas was hanging there Daniel, I'm wondering did you think for a second? There was a possibility he would actually die Yeah, I I thought there was a chance just because the show has done a lot of things to really confuse us Right, right. Like I thought it was possible. All right, something's gonna happen here. That's gonna seem like a paradox Yeah, I thought we were going to see another reality splitting type of situation Jonas hangs dies another Jonas walks in or something crazy, but that's not what happened Thank god too because this was going to get really confusing By the way, just wanted to take a quick break to remind you if you're enjoying this video Please go ahead and hit that like button hit the subscribe button and hit the bell icon So you get notified the next time we do a video back to the show fast forward 17 years to 2040 Noah and Jonas are now middle-aged They're still working with claudia on the machine and continuing to have no luck that night We see Jonas and Noah are now friends as adam promised Noah asks Why do you think the machine isn't working? Maybe claudia doesn't want it to work and he asks Jonas. Why do you trust her? Jonas responds with why do you trust adam? He lied. There is no paradise I know you think i'm going to become adam, but I won't the portal works. Everything will repeat But if I can travel back, I can change everything my older self tried it before we saw that But this time is different. We changed the components of the passage And I think here he's referring to when Jonas and claudia Went to the passage back in season two and he told her that we'll change a grain of sand and with it the world Meaning at this point Jonas thinks they changed something in the passage So on this iteration of the cycle things will change. They'll be able to unravel the knot Noah replies claudia told you that right? What do you really know about her? She disappears for days How does she know the things that she knows? She's hiding something. We can't trust her I hope you know that and of course we know that claudia is meeting with her other self from the alternate world And that's how she knows the things she knows and that's where she's disappearing to I loved the back and forth here because this is a question I've had in the back of my mind throughout the three seasons Characters seem to trust other characters implicitly With very little reason to do so and they'll flip loyalties like that Adam sends Jonas on a mission to save me kill.  I've got to stop trusting people Eva kills him So I just liked seeing someone explicitly call out We both trust two different people and neither of us can really justify Why I've chosen to put my trust in Adam or why I've chosen to put my trust in claudia And you've chosen to put your trust in Adam Then elizabeth calls noa inside and we see that she's older But she still has both eyes in good shape Then speaking of claudia claudia meets with the other claudia from the alternate world And this other claudia tells our claudia Jonas doesn't know the other worlds exists. She confirms that that's still the case And she basically says keep doing what you're doing You keep them not alive here in your world and all do the same on my world But our claudia is not happy She says that she remembers what her older self told her way back when if everything goes right Regina will live and she says that my older self could not have meant This that she continues to live in suffering Meaning right now regina does get to live but in an endless not in an endless loop Where she suffers from cancer and then gets killed by tront then suffers from cancer Then it gets killed by tront. So yes, she gets to live, but it's an awful life claudia says there must be a way to untie the knot without destroying all life within it So regina can live then she kills the other claudia She says that neither eva nor adam know the path but i'll find it in my world or yours Throughout the series. I've always found it a mystery. What is claudia's motivation? Whose side is she on is she on anybody's side? And I think here We finally get a good understanding of her motivation. She's gone rogue. She's not working with adam or eva She wants to find the middle ground where she gets to save everybody from the time knot and give them a truly happy world without wiping everybody from existence Also after seeing the back and forth between noa and jonis Which just reminds us of all these characters that are pawns in a big chess game Always under someone else's thumb. It felt really good to see somebody finally at least seemingly break free I loved seeing claudia shoot her alternate self and break free from those shackles and I now trust claudia I think she's on the side of good and if there's any hope of a happy ending to the series or even a bitter sweet ending I think it'll be thanks to claudia. So I I think initially I felt that same way about claudia when we saw that scene But I also want to like keep in mind like it just flashed back to me that she also did kill egon Right and not necessarily intentionally, but she killed her father right to like protect the secret of the nuclear power plant And that that just makes me think that who knows how pure her motivations really are going to be But we also know she regrets that because she visited the younger egon and essentially Apologized for what's going to happen to him in 30 years. Yeah, so Yeah, we can't obviously in this series You will nine times out of 10 go wrong trusting anybody But with one episode left I am just praying for a somewhat happy ending. So maybe I'm being foolish Anyway, after killing the other claudia our claudia takes her spherical time travel and world travel device Takes her jacket changes her hairstyle and then it heads to eva's lair in the other world Our claudia pretends to be the other claudia when our claudia goes to see eva in the other world eva hands her the time machine blueprints and tells her to give it to Our claudia not knowing that this is our claudia But tells her to give our claudia the time machine blueprints So she can give them to hg tonhouse Something that we saw her do last season from there fast forwarding to 2041 We see elizabeth is clearly not in the best of moods. She asks noa to tell her about paradise again And as he does that and by the way before we even get to the next scene and what happens next My heart was already sinking a little bit like it does every time Elizabeth wants to hear about paradise But as my heart sank we then see elizabeth and charlotte show up from the future In an earlier episode this season. We saw adam send elizabeth and charlotte into the god particle So now we learn where they were going while elizabeth and noa are outside the older elizabeth with charlotte's help Go inside and steal elizabeth's baby, which is a baby charlotte And they grab the four charlotte pocket watch from an earlier episode We know that a couple of peculiar women Brought baby charlotte to hg townhouse in the past and he went on to raise her as her grandfather So now it's confirmed charlotte and older elizabeth Were those peculiar women that will now deliver baby charlotte and the pocket watch to a younger townhouse So as I said my heart sank when elizabeth wanted to hear about paradise again And then it continued to sink until it crashed to the floor and shattered This was probably the standout moment of the episode for me because seeing elizabeth Rob a baby from her younger self knowing what she's about to put her younger self through And getting to hold the child that she spent so little time with you see her heart break And then moments later her younger self has to walk in and see that her baby is missing So it's just a one two punch of tragedy and awfulness So noa and elizabeth go back inside to see that baby charlotte is missing noa Furious runs to jonas and he thinks that this is the betrayal adam told him about he said Jonas and noa will become friends until jonas betrays noa So noa thinks this is the betrayal He demands to know where the baby is where they took charlotte Jonas says he doesn't know and I think in this moment He truly doesn't know and then noa ominously says I wish you all the suffering in the world and then leaves and by the way What a line to use on somebody i'm going to look for the opportunity in my life to say to somebody I wish you all the suffering in the world daniel Noa returns to elizabeth and promises. I will find her. I will bring her back. I promise I will And this is a callback to last season when noa finally meets a grown-up charlotte He tells her I promised your mother. I would bring you back one day So now we're seeing the moment when he actually made that promise So he makes a promise to elizabeth then he picks up the trichetra notebook and leaves And so not only does elizabeth lose her daughter at that point her baby She also is basically losing noa like he's he's I mean he's basically gone for the rest of her life Yeah, as far as we know actually yes, because then we know he ends up getting killed by agnes So just tragedy on top of tragedy So he picks up the notebook He leaves and then we see him in 1920 the year before jonas will arrive noa goes to the inn where jonas stayed And says he's traveled a long way then a young noa welcomes him and prepares chambers for this older noa From there noa visits adam who is now fully adam He's no longer the prototype young adam and after noa felt betrayed by jonas and left the cause adam is able to win Noa back. He says to noa. You think I took charlotte from you. I didn't you were right about claudia She lied to all of us and then he points out that the trichetra notebook You're carrying is missing some pages claudia took those pages You need to find them then you can find charlotte and ultimately paradise back in season two We see noa kill claudia He finds the missing pages on her and that's when he learns that police chief charlotte is his daughter grown up After adam tells noa about the missing pages He tells noa that helga will help you find your paradise Give him a bible and sends him off to the future where he'll become the Priest noa that we saw in seasons one and two Before noa parts however adam says life occurs in cycles Sunrise sunset again and again, but this will be the last time This will be the final cycle. We go back to 2052 We see that claudia has grown into the older claudia that we know She's still working with the older jonis But they've finally stabilized the god particle and it's time for jonis to go back in time On his mission the one that we saw when he was still the stranger character back in seasons one and two Older claudia tells jonis that he needs to take the broken time machine the one that we saw last episode He needs to take it to hg townhouse who will be able to repair it Then he can use the machine to destroy the passage and with it the knot But this time you will succeed now. I assume in this moment that claudia is lying to jonis She's sending him back, but she knows that he will fail He'll destroy the passage, but it's not going to unravel the knot. Did you read it the same way that I did? Well, I guess i'm not sure what claudia's motivations are at this point Because who was it that when they they switched something in the barrel, right? They said they changed your greatest sand they'll change the universe Was that claudia's idea or jonis's that was jonis's idea given to him by older claudia And then he was passing it on to younger claudia. Yeah, so I guess i'm i'm not sure if that's a lie or not My my impression right now Is that older claudia has a plan to truly unravel the knot? But in order to do it the cycle does need to happen one more time So she is sending jonis back to fail intentionally But after that she can enact her plan We'll get to it in a minute, but we see her show up and talk to adam at the end of the episode So I think that's essentially we've gone through the whole cycle and hey i'm back Here is the real ending to the plan So I think she's lying to jonis when she says you'll be able to Destroy the knot by closing the package But where I think she's telling the truth is that right before he leaves she says jonis You must never lose hope and I think that's her cryptic way of saying I can't tell you all the details I can't tell you the real plan But I want to tell you that I am on the side of good. There is hope at the end of this There's a light at the end of the tunnel after jonis leaves We see claudia rip the pages out of the trichetra notebook Then we go into one of dark's best montages. I think we essentially see that when jonis goes back in time We get a full repeat of all the key events from the series. I thought it was a very emotional montage We won't go through it beat by beat But I'll shout out what I thought were a few of the best moments in the montage First when middle-aged jonis goes back to his younger self's room When he needs to right follow the signal on the map while there he looks kind of somberly at his younger self Just thinking about the hell that that young jonis is about to go through Then we see jonis looking at his younger self at the lake with marta another heartbreaking moment Then there's the moment where middle-aged jonis is saving magnus francisca and bartosh Just before the apocalypse happens. They ask what about marta and it cuts But it doesn't cut to marta getting shot. It cuts to a marta already bleeding already dying All three of those moments I found to be we've seen those moments But I found them to be heartbreaking to relive them knowing this is a endless cycle They've gone through it so many times and I thought this was one of the best montages in the series Then we revisit the moment from the beginning of the episode Where marta from the alternate world was about to grab jonis just as the apocalypse was happening To bring him to her world then bartosh stopped her and here we see where bartosh brings her He brings her to the post-apocalyptic alternate world back to eve's lair in 2052 marta asks why did you bring me here? Bartos says they're the only ones who will save us So he's gone over to eve aside marta says this is all their faults and he says no They are the light then eve walks in and gives marta a speech the same speech that adam gave jonis My whole life. I never thought that this moment could repeat I never thought I could want what she wanted i.e. I never thought that I would become eve And I think this is also a callback or very relevant to the line that townhouse said you can't will what you will Marta says I don't want to become eve But you can't control what you want and eventually what you want Will be the same thing that eve wants eve says 66 years later I understand then she says we bear the same scars and slashes marta's face So we find out how she gets that scar over her eye And eve says this is a memento. So you never forget which side you really belong to And you'll remember that the marta that kills jonis had a fresh scar on her face So this marta here is about to kill jonis Eva says choosing us is choosing life Choosing adam is choosing death And at this point in the episode I started to assume that whatever adam did last episode where he engulfed Marta in that energy ball I assume it didn't work and then we cut to the prime world at 2053 and that's confirmed The energy ball seemingly kills marta, but then adam is confused when he realizes he still exists He looks at his hands and says this can't be Then older claudia shows up and says Hello jonis now I mentioned at the top of the video that last episode when I explained how we have three young martas That all represent marta from different points in the timeline I was wrong about that and the thing that made me realize I was wrong is the marta That adam kills here doesn't have a scar on her face But she is pregnant with jonis's child Which means we have two martas from two Different timelines and then I realized what's going on here in the moments before the apocalypse in 2020 Marta can either grab jonis and bring him to her world or bartosh can stop her to realities One where jonis eventually dies one where he continues to exist. Well, the same is true for marta I think in that moment one marta goes in and rescues jonis Goes on to become the marta that adam engulfs in the energy ball Another marta is stopped by bartosh who goes on to become the scarred marta that kills jonis Did you have that one figured out daniel? No, not at all. Lucky you have me here I was on the edge of my seat listening to that explanation. How's that physics neuroscience degree treating you now So clearly adam's plan didn't work What happens from here? So, you know that i'm optimistic I'm of the opinion that older claudia has a plan She knew that the cycle would repeat again She knew that adam would try to destroy marta and she knew it would fail Now that it's failed she walks in and it's time for the end game So i'm hoping that in this moment She's delivering on her promise to jonis before he left on the final cycle claudia said to him Never lose hope i am hoping That this is the moment where she delivers on that promise and she has some final plan That saves everyone or at least saves some of them Whatever it is. It's at least something other than total oblivion and something other than an endless knot where everybody goes Through the same awful cycle over and over. So i'm hoping for a bittersweet ending What about you daniel any thoughts on how this is all going to wrap up? Yeah, i think i think what you described makes sense I guess i also have a little bit of hope that maybe Eva and marta are are also actually on the side of light Right, i don't think we know for sure that they're as evil as adam Well, i guess it's hard to even say whether adam is evil, right? But but adam's plan of like total oblivion as a solution didn't sound appealing Right, like eva has claimed that she can fix things without oblivion, right? Right. I think so I'm hoping maybe that she's right anyway. Yeah, but i think you're probably right. claudia seems like the most promising for like actually delivering A somewhat good ending right who would have thought the white devil herself is actually a white angel, perhaps I also love how lightly you put it where you're like total oblivion just doesn't sound that appealing I agree. 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Delta Dental says, can you guess this titan? What they really want to know is, can head coach Mike Grable guess this titan on the Mike Grable show? Let's take another look before we need the head coaches guess. I know. I think we're sticking with the old line. That's David Quessenberry. David Quessenberry is the guess, and it is Jeff Swain. Jeff Swain. Tight end. It's Jeff Swain. Kind of looks like Grip Giedler. That was my second guess. Off of Yellowstone. Kind of does. Jeff Swain, important guy to the offense, has caught a lot of balls in recent weeks. Good blocker. Yeah, I mean, he plays a lot of roles for us. He plays on the line of scrimmage. He can play off, plays in the backfield. Unfortunately, I know he'd like to have that one. Get him a touchdown the other day. But just a lot of dirty work. He knows a lot of positions. He's a smart player. And that's not easy duty. Going in there and wrestling with sometimes 280-pound defense events in this league. So Jeff's been a consistent player for us and knows a lot of positions. Kind of represents what you want guys on this team to be. Selfless, tough, available, dependable, all of those things. Yeah, I mean, I think he also is making some corrections and some detail and some techniques and pointed that out to the team and the coaching staff about something that him and I had talked about just on a particular block that I thought could help him. And it actually showed up in the game and just tried to point those things out to the players that taken the details and making corrections and fixing.


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