Greetings and salutations, ladies and gentlemen. Back at you one more game for another episode of The Conspiracy Farm. Unfortunately, I am not riding shotgun with UFC Hall of Famer this evening. He is in the middle of a hectic move. And as taking care of that right now, and he of course will be back with me riding shotgun. But tonight, ladies and gentlemen, to say, I mean, this is truly one of my favorite human beings on the planet. Meeting this man has, you know, literally changed the course of my life and the quality of my life and my understanding of who we are and all of this stuff. He's just a diligent, diligent researcher.  Of course, not literally bleeding. I mean, I just love his research. I love this subject.  He's like, again, awesome researcher, incredible author. He's the author of The Illusion of Us, as well as his most recent work, The Stage of Time, the stage of time.com. Go check it out as well as the host of mastermind discussions. And he's working on a new book with the great Billy Carson, which we're going to talk about here in just a little bit. Matthew LaCroix. You're joining us. How are we doing, sir? It's great to be here, Jeffrey. I love sitting down for these discussions, and let me just say I really appreciate all those incredibly kind things you said.  Well, and I appreciate it. The pleasure is totally mine, and you know, it's quite serendipitous how he came together and, you know, we, we announced your book, The Stage of Time, not too long ago, and I'm sure it's doing well, ladies and gentlemen. If you really want to really have your mind blown, check out the both The Illusion of Us and The Stage of Time.  And, you know, I've said many times and learning a lot of your work, as well as Graham Hancock and Russell Harando Carlson, everything is just getting older and older. And you've really obviously been working. But, you know, talk to us a little bit about what you've been up to. My friend, we haven't talked in a little bit. Yeah, I know we've we've been busy, both of us. Yes, I certainly have had a lot of things happen recently that are pretty exciting for those who don't follow me. Some of this will be all new. And so those who do, some of this will be recent announcements. But some pretty neat things have happened over the last few weeks. I had Billy Carson, another researcher that I work with quite a bit that you also know, who came up to Maine to visit me. And the reason he came up here is because we wanted to discuss a further collaboration. And so Billy came up and we ended up traveling out to this island off of the coast of Portland and sat down and had this great discussion. And that shows up for anyone who's interested. But one of the important things that came out of that meeting was that Billy and Billy Carson, I got to sit down for a good amount of time and really lay out this plan for how we would be able to collaborate. The most effective thing we could do was to write another book. So we will be releasing a book at some point in 2021 that is going to be called The Epic of Humanity. And what we wanted to do here is we wanted to bring the entire story, our story to this compilation where him and I are going to break up each chapter, each right one in this sequential order of understanding this entire story and this path we've gone down. Everything from the ancient influences of these sky gods that the Sumerians called the Anunnaki all the way up into looking at these anomalies of the solar system, submerged cities, ancient texts. This is going to be a compilation that will hopefully preserve an enormous amount of knowledge and information that is in some ways disappearing today. You know, you and I have sat down with Sam Tripoli and talked about places in, you know, in the Middle East, in Syria. Paul Mira, looking at the ancient columns that had these beautiful designed buildings that are all gone. They're destroyed from ISIS coming through. So we can't pretend that all of these important places in these texts are going to remain forever. All it would take is one of these, you know, museums to have some disaster occur and we could lose all of them. So we're going to be putting in here an enormous amount of ancient texts. Yeah, I mean, it is so very interesting and it's kind of interesting, you know, thinking about today, not to go too deep into it, but, you know, discussions of taking down certain statues that we don't like, which essentially equates to erasing history. You know, if you don't like it, again, we can have that discussion if we want to legally and democratically or whatever the term is, have those removed, but put them in a museum somewhere. We can't just lose history because if we've talked about in your work, we see the ramifications of what it's like to lose the history of who we are, where we really came from, because then we wind up creating this other narrative that really doesn't really give us the full understanding, you know, almost like what you're talking about these places that are disappearing, whether it's whether it's Eridu or any of these places, Parasopolis, etc. These things are so very crucial to hold on to. And that's why I love your work and Billy's as well.  And it goes on and on. But again, the removal of history is so, so very dangerous. That's why, you know, you guys doing this work of reviving this information, reviving these civilizations and giving the true understanding through objective research, it's game changing stuff, ladies and gentlemen, it truly is. Thank you, I appreciate that. I appreciate your enthusiasm about this subject. You're always so interested in learning about this, whereas a lot of others will get little pieces of it and they may reject it or they may lose interest eventually and not just not be a very big part of their life, but you always come back and you add another layer of understanding. And I'm I'm always impressed with what you gain because you definitely have amassed a very knowledgeable background of this of these subjects. And I appreciate that because what it is is you nailed it on the head. This isn't about just learning about some dusty past because it's interesting. It has the answers to nearly everything. It is essentially like relearning about this lost part of who we really are, what where are what are places in the in the stars in the universe and what made us who we are because right now we have these this very this very linear and I guess antiquated version of how we perceive ourselves here. And I think I don't I just got through actually finishing up getting down down to the bottom of the first chapter of the new book that we're going to be writing. And I at the end of it, I was just talking about how to me the saddest part when you go through these ancient texts and you learn about, you know, you learn about the myth of Adapa and how it mentions that, you know, he was created as the perfect sentient being that was was essentially the Anunnaki, the greatest among them. But he was even it even actually states that he was in some ways greater than them. And that's that's us. You know, we may have come a long way since them. We may have lost a lot of things. There may have been aspects that we no longer have abilities and certain intellectual things and even longevity of life. But we're still that same being right. And when you read those texts, they talk about this greatness, this this supreme greatness. And that's why there's been such so much conflict and so much deception and darkness here. It's not merely because we're left alone in the middle of some dark corner of the universe, just to fend for ourselves like, you know, a bunch of stray dogs all fighting in a cage. We are like a great theater show for where this incredible being could go. And that's really what we are. We are like this creator being. Think about it this way. Let's say you're sitting out on a in a field and it's a beautiful day and there's no distractions and you come up with an idea just out of nowhere. And you're like, I want to go build that or or make it. And you do it. You're the first one to ever do it. You just created something out of nothing. That's how we're creators. We have the ability to create essentially anything we want and turn into anything we want. And yet we're we're considered and viewed in many ways and conditioned for our entire lifetime that essentially our lives and what we contribute don't really matter.   And but then the person, you know, at the edge of their deathbed is often looking back and, you know, they're really happy about some of their accomplishments. But in some ways they really feel like they didn't do a lot of things they wanted to do. Yeah, they didn't really get pushed intellectually to think way outside the box and perceive the universe. They didn't they didn't get a chance to really get to that higher level themselves. And that's what the ancients tell us that we have fallen from this period of being a great being of, you know, a descendant of some supreme deity being or God, whatever you want to call it, that came here and influenced us. And yet, like you said, the great sadness to me in the tragedy is looking at the state of our world and what we become and them all, most of them not realizing who we really are and how significant we are. Well, and a part of that is, you know, a lot of this social conditioning and you brought up a lot of times, you know, this autopilot that we find ourselves in almost from the time we're adults to the time we die.  Have a house, have a car, have a job.  I mean, I lived in Chicago, people in California, you see the 101 or people do that every day. They wake up to just sit and traffic, go to work, come home, sit before, you know, sit in traffic to come home, maybe chill for an hour or two and just do it over and over and over and over again. That's not the, I mean, that's not life. That's not living life. And I think it's important that we need to find that balance of making a living and living life, because like you said, unfortunately, it's often times once we're at the end, we're like, you know what, that didn't quite do it for me. And we can get into the whole reincarnation process and how we do come back until we get to that certain level. But, you know, in this life we have right now, I think it's so very important that we do find the time to dig deeper and don't malign people like yourself or myself who are digging deeper, who find, who are finding out things about the Anunnaki and deciphering ancient cuneiform that definitely, you know, from your Sumerian Kings list to, like you said, Adapa and all of it. I mean, it just illustrates a whole history and civilization and technology and ways of being that we just have no clue of now, because it's been hid from us deliberately. Yeah, it's such a tragedy to me. And for those who don't know, you know, what are we talking about? What are cuneiform tablets? What are any of these things? There is an entire different side of history that is really not taught in our history books. You know, you get a little blurb about the Sumerians being the first ones that had figured out how to brew beer. And that's literally some of the, I actually went and read one just because I wanted to see it and it mentions things like that. Okay, that's great. You know, they learned how to brew beer and, oh yeah, they knew how to grow agricultural and different types of methods for using rivers to irrigate land and all those things. But we're not told all the other things. Like for instance, they're the first ones to come up with mathematics. They're the first ones to come up with astronomy, but not just having astronomy, they literally completely mapped the entire solar system. There's a cylinder seal called VA 243 that is an exact replica of our entire solar system. So what we're told is that this, this is the first civilization that emerged at the Fertile Crescent and just happened to decide to stop being hunters or gatherers and turn into this sophisticated civilization in every single thing that humanity developed on every single level. And I mean every level from mathematics all the way to having the different laws of a society and how you have commerce, the first currency, learning about our solar system, learning about our earth, learning about everything came from the Sumerians. And the craziest thing is they don't say that they're the ones who came up with it. They tell us this incredible story that goes back so much farther than we've ever been told. And I think that's where this is gonna, this show is gonna go into it first is we're gonna, well, we're gonna answer that question, how far back does it go? And how are we gonna, how can we retell this story correctly? And there's no accident when the Iraq war started, one of the first places that were hit with the libraries of antiquity because I think they know, a lot of these wars we're seeing, especially in Syria and Iraq are archeological wars.  And recently you have comprised an incredible timeline going back 200,000 years. Dip into that forest, hook us up with that timeline that you've been working so hard on. Okay, and just for those who are interested, this timeline that I'm about to go over, in fact, you could go right now and pull it up and look at it while I'm talking, it probably would be very helpful.  That was the number one question I kept getting. All the time when people would email me through my website and various messages, they would ask me, where does this fall? I'm really confused.  And I kept answering so many different people and eventually a couple people started to ask me, you really should make a timeline. And so I spent a couple months really going through all of the evidence and the data that I had from these little hints and clues in places like Uniform Tablets, which we'll go over what those are in a minute and in other kinds of ancient texts and also in using logical analysis of what you said, ice core samples, looking at climate periods, taking basically every factor we can to try to piece together this lost past because what we need to understand, like Jeffrey alluded to is our earth has gone through great cycles of catastrophes when enormous amounts of life have been wiped off the planet. And some people might really have trouble grasping that but we gotta really look at the different time periods with the lens of, okay, this show that I'm on right now talking to Jeffrey is called the Conspiracy Farm. And the reason it's called that is because when you start to look into all of these topics and automatically that term labels you so you're not really allowed to because then the second you even one topic within the umbrella of anything that's conspired to conspiracy, you automatically get thrown into this, this little box of people's perception. And so the first place to start is when you start looking down this road, a lot of people will get these little bits of information that challenge the narrative and they'll reel back because it's a very painful process of you're at this point where you've had this indoctrination your whole life of what's real and what's not and what version of everything exists. And when you see those little moments that crack that fragile understanding, I think it makes a lot of people really afraid. It has to be a certain kind of person who really is strong enough and open-minded enough to be able to accept those ideas or at least ponder them. It's the sign of a really intelligent person to be able to grasp and ponder an idea rather than just accepting it. That's the true sign of someone being an intellect is having the ability to take things that completely challenge their reality and just look at them. Just hold them up in this little window and look at them objectively with nothing else around them and see if they connect them. Don't be afraid of reshaping your reality. What are you afraid of? I think people are afraid of the unknown. And I gotta just fully admit that while I've always been interested in these types of topics, I never went searching for a predetermined narrative because I was already interested. All of this was basically by accident. I just was curious about it. And it led me down a road that completely changed everything in my life. And as Jeffrey was very kind enough to say at the beginning, he knows what that's like as well because once you start to really put these things into perspective, it changes how you view yourself and everything that's happened in the past, right? Without a doubt. I mean, not to use that matrix metaphor because you kind of schooled me on the red pill, but just the analogy of taking something or coming into your mind, understanding something that just changes your whole paradigm and how you see everything. It's powerful stuff, folks, powerful stuff. All right, so let's get into this then. The first place that we need to start is with the oldest text we have. If we wanna try to look at where we take evidence to place where everything begins, we would have to start with what I call the first Sumerians, okay? And that's the difficult concept to wrap our heads around is that most of the ancient cultures around the world that became sophisticated are part of different epics that came and went. So when we, like first off, for instance, let me give you an example. I think it might be the perception is that things like the ancient Egyptians sort of just slowly died out and the monuments they built and the things that they had just got incorporated into cultures and that was sort of how it bled into our story. But it's not really that way at all when the Sphinx was first photographed along with the Great Pyramid of Giza in the 1870s. If you look at those black and white photos, it was completely buried up to its neck in sand, okay? And the pyramids had sand all over them and it was like the ancient, those that period of Egyptians, what I call the dynastic pharaohs, the dynastic Egyptians, the dynasties, these pharaohs that Tutankhamen and Ramses, they were part of a certain time period in Egypt. And that's the entire story we get of Egypt is just this one little glimpse and that glimpse is supposedly around, you know, 4,000 years ago or so, this glimpse of Egypt and that's everything, right? Everything was built by them, that's the entire story, but that's not the story at all. There's a lot of conflicting information that's really coming out for these sites all around the world that is saying, look, that culture that's there that you think of that was existing the most recent, you know, like 4,000 years ago, that's only a culture that inherited that those structures later. They didn't build them though. They're not responsible for building them. And that's how we begin the story of understanding, first of all, that there have been many different periods of time with different sophisticated civilizations that have risen and fallen, but every time they fell, they became less sophisticated over time. And that's where we are now. We're not at the height of our civilization. I would argue that we've still fallen to a point. Look, like everything we just talked about, we live in an incredibly unbalanced world where we have no respect for our world or the universe. People walk around like there's not even anything above them. It blows my mind on a dark night when people are just walking through cities with light pollution, that they don't even perceive themselves in a vast universe with billions of galaxies and star systems. It blows my mind what we exist in now, but that's not what the ancients existed in. They understood, Jeffrey, that we are this incredible conscious being of energy that is connected to everything and that our place is that of experiencing new things and pushing the limits of what's possible and investigating the mysterious and the unknown to find answers. And before we let you go too, I definitely wanna talk to you about why that is and the part that really blew my mind about your work is what they call the eagle versus the serpent and how that war is responsible for the direction of humanity and why we're seeing things the way we are right now. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. And we can definitely touch on those subjects, but the more you get to look at this stuff, the more you look at there's this great divide with how and what the eagle serpent essentially really represents is the mentality that a civilization will take on and who will essentially control that narrative. And the eagle is not at all what we've been told in the serpent and these other symbols like the caduceus and even symbols like the swastika. All of these ancient symbols became corrupted and inverted into their opposite meanings. And we don't wanna go too far down that road because we're gonna try to stay on the timeline. But basically the way you gotta look at it is a civilization can either be based on the acquisition of knowledge and understanding balance and growing on a energetic and conscious level and have this world that grows based on things that are sustainable or it can basically be focused on war and materialism and this fake illusion of a world where the things that they do just sort of disappear because they can't take them with them. You know, like when someone buys everything possible and they fill their garage up and they have all this stuff and they feel really happy and they die. All that stuff just gets thrown in the dump somewhere. And then it's so amazing to me how people have been conditioned into this materialistic viewpoint which really that's what the symbol of the eagle represents is this idea of conquering and war and having this really linear viewpoint of having, it's more of like an overwhelming, masculine type of conquering mentality. And that doesn't get into, I'm not trying to say that it's this that masculine and feminine is bad. It's just you have to have a balance of types of energy. It's always about this balance of energy. And in many ways the serpent represents this higher knowledge balance with the earth, like I mentioned in the stars and those symbols became inverted like a lot of these other ones over time. And that's why this version of history is so difficult to understand because it's just built on the backs of these heroes that we think are heroes but are really just these villains of empires that have controlled and dominated the message. Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to pull you off your timeline. I was gonna, like I said, before we let you go, I meant to say like once your presentation is done. But yeah, I mean, it all plays into the timeline still but because it's the in leal side that's deceiving us and all that, but go ahead brother. Yeah, so let's get back to where we were before we got off there in a tangent. We have to start with the Sumerians because the Sumerians contain the oldest record that we have of the past. And we know that because this type of writing that the writing style they had that eventually became a dead language known as Sumerian cuneiform and later Akkadian that style of writing was never replicated ever again. So if you look at today, how all of our records are digital around paper, it would be very easy just to have some disaster occur and never ever have those again. They'd be gone in just a couple hundred years depending on the type of disaster. But on the other side, this culture was so incredibly sophisticated and they've gone through so many cycles of these catastrophes and we can get into what those are at some point but they understood all of that. And so they etched their records into clay and then baked them into these incredible strong tablets that could withstand incredible fires. And one of the greatest libraries that was ever found was actually found in a Nineveh Iraq called the Ashurbanapal Library in 1849 and that was part of an ancient city that was burned to the ground. It was attacked by Babylon after Ashurbanapal died and they burned the entire city of the ground just like the library of Alexandria in Egypt. But because cuneiform tablets are so strong it can withhold so much trauma and disaster essentially those tablets were remained. Mostly intact. Some of them were definitely damaged but because there was 30,000 of them there was quite a few of them that remained in at least enough of a state where you could translate them. And that's where this whole entire story begins because essentially when George Smith the only, the first serial just basically ever who learned this dead language that had been dead for thousands of years when he first actually got ahold of them in the late 1800s up in Oxford, England he couldn't believe what he was reading because he was reading this entire lost history of humanity and that's where this timeline begins. And some of the tablets that have subsequently come out of that region, this region of the Fertile Crescent where everything began along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. According to these tablets like the Eridu Genesis it states that human civilization began there but not 6,000 years ago. When it's so crazy the volumes of cuneiforms that they found so few have been actually translated. They have so many wherever they are the Vatican or the British Library, wherever it is that still are just waiting to be translated. Can you imagine the information to be extracted from that? Well, that's why it's so easy to understand how this is a conspiracy if you actually have an open mind and you look at it because it's so obvious that these tablets and the information they contain they don't want that to come out because it would completely redesign this narrative of our history. To me it's so ridiculous that this term myth the myth of Atana, the myth of Adapa they gave these names that automatically turned them into something that seems like it's not real but yet all these tablets mentioned very specific cities very specific places in that region that in some cases are still around today. So- They mentioned Atanya just to qualify who that is that's the first king of the post-Aluyian flood world like after the flood came the Deluge the first in the first city of Kish Atanya was the first king of that civilization. If I'm correct. If I'm correct I like that. You are quite the student my friend. I got a good teacher brother. That's correct. And so when you learn about these mythologies it says things like what Jeffrey just said that there was a king named Atana that was called the great architect after the great Deluge and that he was handed down this sceptre from heaven in quotes from the gods to be the architect of the sheep, the new world so he would be their king and he says that Kish was the very first city ever built after this set of disasters that we now can pinpoint in these different time periods that what look like cycles of every 12,000 years destroyed everything in these regions and forced them to start over again and they talk about that. They don't say in just these hypothetical terms like a flood like it's some kind of information metaphor or something like that. That's not what it is at all. There are parables and there are symbolism built in that you have to figure out but there's also a lot of literal truth. There's a lot of things that are meant in a literal way like when it mentions that a city was there in a certain time and ruled by a certain king they're being literal. And so when you take those and you lay them out in a timeline we start to get this completely different version of history and the place you start is with the Sumerian king list and that is another one of these cuneiform tablets that came out of the region of Iraq that points to these great kings of Sumer that was the region was called. Long ago that when you add them all up you get over 200,000 years ago. And that's completely mind blowing considering that our entire story is supposed to only be 6,000 years old. Right. That's the real game changer for me. I mean many things are but the Sumerian kings list where you know it's literally translated that these kings reign and not their lives but their reign was like 20, 30, 40,000 years. Yeah and you know what's amazing I don't know if anyone knows this I don't, I may have only briefly mentioned it but there are a lot of those who have come along and have said they don't believe the ages in the Sumerian king lists and they said they say it's mistranslated except that they don't understand that a Shahr was the type of unit of measurement they used in these time periods and it represented 3,600 years and that number is mentioned in the Audra Hasis but what's amazing about that is the same type of list of different kings is also present in another tablet that most have never heard of called the Iraq king list. Okay I want people to check that out and in the Iraq king list it's only a list of kings from that specific region so it's not as extensive as the Sumerian king list but it's still lists these incredibly long reigns of the kings of Iraq and that city, the ruins that were built over and over again the latest of those ruins is still around today and that's what's so mind blowing about it because all of a sudden these myths become these records of history and if you can separate out where those things belong and then take all the things that are supposed to be literal and all the things that are supposed to mean a certain thing and then try to plot them out you get this incredible story of who we are that like I said in the beginning that takes you on a journey that'll completely redefine everything in your life. Yeah exactly and I don't wanna pull you too much off the civilization but in the understanding of who these people are yes they can manifest into physical beings but ultimately these are during gauging in like multi-dimensional travel they're multi-dimensional beings that's why you say these myths say Inky for example or Odin why do these each incarnations have the trident? Well these are the same myths being repeated if you will but these are the same entities moving in multi-dimensional fashions if I'm correct on that. Yeah but to add on to that before we get that far essentially what we need to understand is that these tablets don't state that it was just these random kings that decided to build cities and rule over them it doesn't say that it actually says things that are so fantastic for people to wrap their heads around that they've been immediately rejected by most of modern academia and that's where this all begins because they really clearly state that there were beings that came here that's what they say and they're not representations of the planets or forces of nature those things do exist in the tablets and that's one of the things I talk about in the first chapter of the new book that we're writing is I mentioned how for instance let's take a tablet like the Code of Hammurabi that came out of Babylon. Hammurabi was a great king of Babylon that ruled during the post-Aluvian time period and he states in it that Anu and Bell call by name me Hammurabi, right? And then at the end he mentions Shemash like ruling over the people like Shemash and if someone was to look into Shemash they would find that Shemash was like was the son essentially, okay? But that doesn't mean that Anu and Bell were planets, no. In fact, Anu and Bell were just different names used Bell was a different name used for Marduk who the city of Babylon was named after and not only that, but when Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon, there's an entire text called in his name, Cyrus the Great who basically says that when he reached Babylon in fear he had this conversation with the god of Babylon known as Bell or Marduk. He had conquered the city and yet his greatest fear was this god that had ruled the city in his name and that's how he named after it. And so these beings get into these great discussions about humanity and how they feel about us and why we were created and how they view us later on and these discussions, the point I'm trying to make here is they're not trying to show like representations of how nature is viewing us and trying to figure out how things are changing over time. They're very specific conversations. They're talking about why we were created and our purpose here and the means for how we were created are so fantastic that they completely make this a very clear literal translation about where we came from and they state that we came from these great creator gods that came here that were ancient, ancient, ancient beings they state that they came here and they decided that because there was too much labor to do to create a civilization and create the infrastructure here, they decided they wanna create another like a laborer like a worker and it states in the Andrahesis and in the Enuma Elish that they essentially took this Neanderthal, Denysovian hominid that was already here that was somewhat compatible and they basically mixed in their DNA and they created this basically like an onanarchy cross of what this primitive hominid was and that's what we are but even though we share most of our DNA with other species on the planet, there's this entire section of our DNA called non-coding DNA that's not shared by any other species on our planet and even though it only represents less than 10% of our DNA, sometimes those small amounts are that have the biggest changes overall, Jeffrey. Talking to Billy a couple years ago, he mentioned something about a gap in our chromosome map like chromosome nine or I forget the number but yeah, it's very interesting. And ladies and gentlemen, if you're like a Christian and kind of having a tough time swallowing some of this, I mean, some of this is even mentioned in religious texts in the book of Genesis, they talk about the Nephilim when giants were on the earth or kind of what you're describing like us doing a little bit of there being some genetic splicing where they say the sons of God basically mated with the daughters of men and that's essentially kind of what you're explaining there. Yeah, it says in Genesis that we were created in their image, it's always plural. It's the problem with that is I'm not an atheist at all just for those who are wondering about that that are religious. I'm very spiritual and I absolutely believe that there's so many signs if you look at the spiral of the golden spiral and all of the different Fibonacci numbers that have been discovered that prove this mathematical formula between an intelligent creator of mathematical properties of our universe. It's clear that all of this is designed. Everything here is designed as like this playground for the different types of dimensions to interact with the physical and non-physical. That's what all of this really is. And it's the idea of, okay, if you're a being that reaches a state of having awareness of its place in the universe and has the ability to make decisions and create things because it's very smart. Imagine what that story could look like if all of these different things were pumped into that timeline to influence that being. And that's what's so incredible about this is that the story of who we are and what we were supposed to be is not where we are now, it's far from it. And that's what makes this so difficult to swallow. Like you said, is because what they're saying basically destroys the entire viewpoint at every single point of what we've been told in every way about like defining consciousness, defining how far back civilizations go, defining what really makes up the universe. Is it just energy or is it just physical changes? And all those things, it's all part of this web that these ancient texts all throughout history are trying to point us in a certain direction and we just need to listen. Well, and a part of that ever-expanding sci-op which goes back centuries, and I really don't mean this disrespectfully, I just think it's something that hinders us from realizing what we're talking about here. I think religion has played a huge role in keeping people fearful and more in that fear, fight or flight mode of, I just think it just keeps people, I like to use the Bruce Lee metaphor. Bruce Lee's like talking about bee water. He was talking about martial arts but he was saying fixed positions solidified, that which was once fluid, fixed positions and fighting. But I think religion does that. It plays a role of kind of keeping us in the box of our thought of like who we are and et cetera. But talking about what we're talking about, it's very hard trying to think those guys to swallow it. But if they can kind of remove that confirmation bias if they will and be able to see this information objectively, it's pretty clear that, you know. But that's the problem, Jeffrey. It's difficult for a lot of people to get to that point to say, okay, I'm gonna look into this objectively and actually put it on in a place where it's being measured, not just being considered for two seconds and then rejected, right? Yeah, absolutely. Because I mean, within certain things, specifically Christianity, like don't ask questions, just be a good Christian. So if you start to question this, you're not being a good Christian and you might even be worshiping the dark arts or sit, you know what I mean? It's like that mind screw, you know, the Psyap that I think a lot of religion manifest, people are scared.  Well, for those people that aren't, you know, that are on the fence about that, well, what we're talking about here, the ancients called the old religion. And it was part of a pure form of spirituality that existed based on the values of the ancient past. And later, a lot of it became rewritten and turned into more of a controlling side, like you said. And it really doesn't allow open-minded thinking. It might have some good principles woven in. And I actually- Without a doubt, without a doubt. And I do not doubt that, you're absolutely right.   Well, the ancients talk all about these different dimensions and these different aspects of our reality. They go into great detail. And getting back into those, you know, why does our timeline go 200,000 years? Is it just the Sumerian King List? Well, one of the things you brought up briefly is the idea that we can look at our genetics and we can look at the changes that we've done as homo sapiens over this time period. And what we see, especially if you look at people like Lloyd Pires' work, he's my favorite person who studies human changes over time. He's pointed out that this 200,000 year period that the Sumerian King List just happens to add up to is when we find these sudden changes that occur in this timeline of us.  And we find that the skeletal structure changes. And so many things change that it literally takes on a form that is very, very different than what we were before. And even though we're walking around basically naked without any hair or anything and we don't have any means to survive here, people just immediately accept that we've just gotten there through these really primitive means. But that's not what the tablets say. So anyway, these beings create us and they want us to be the physical laborers in this reality because they want to exist in these higher dimensions and basically observe humanity and interact with us on these certain levels because that's the whole game for them. And they stayed in all of their tablets. They lower kingship. They lower all the laws and the knowledge for how to create civilizations. And then these great civilizations emerge and they worship these gods. They create temples over them and they talk to them and in all these tablets they mentioned how these kings were talking to them and having discussions in these, and every single time it's like they're chosen to rule over the city because they have a certain kind of bloodline that gets back to like you said where some of these great beings were able to manifest physically here. They were physical beings at times and they slept with the daughters of men which is just what it says in the Bible. It talks about how we essentially, this Nephilim came about because it was this cross between these angels that then became fallen angels like it says in the book of Enoch. That's all the same thing. It's all the same thing. It's these beings that broke, this is what it is. They broke the laws of creation. They call them the bounds of creation. And that's what they actually mentioned in these tablets and in other places such as the Bhagavad Gita and other places, they call it the bounds of creation and you're not supposed to do certain things if you are like a powerful being. You're supposed to leave things alone and let things go the course they're supposed to go and whatever these beings are we have very little information for them other than after they came here. But the name of them is based on the name of our earth. Anu-na-ki, ki-kai meant earth and Anu meant was the one who was in charge of things and essentially Anu-na-ki meant those who from heaven to earth came or those who Anu sent to earth. It's always been about them coming here and every ancient text from every civilization around the world that is old enough to have these records all says the same thing in essentially just different ways. And going along further in the timeline you essentially find out that because of all this information and this knowledge that civilization grew rapidly and turned into a great sophisticated civilization around the world. It's not that there was just these little pockets but I want to give you an example. If people want to study three places that are going to completely blow their mind just three locations on earth that prove all of this. Just look at Kusko, Peru. Look at the Osirion in Abidos, Egypt and then look at Osaka, Japan with the Imperial Palace Wall. If you look at those three locations and you look at the building style of those structures they are completely identical in almost every way. The way that they form the blocks the way that the structures are designed with the technology, the boreholes, the saw cuts like Brian Forester one of my favorite researchers of all time who I've been working with recently like he talks about those things are all evident on these structures and they're all identical and why I mentioned those three locations is not only because the work is identical in sophistication but it's three corners of the world. And that means that that technology and sophistication reached all the way around the world and that's where this timeline starts to get plotted. Well and those things are said to be those megalithic structures are said to have been made with like bronze age tools which is just completely impossible to even almost replicate it to now and let alone however long ago. That's and that's the smoking gun is for anybody who's on the fence about this go look into what's known as the Moe's hardness scale, okay? And go look at the properties of these different tools during different time periods. Now, let's just say for argument's sake that the timeline we've been told in our history books is accurate. What they state about these locations whether or not it's Bar Bar Hill Caves, Allora Caves in India, Osaka, Japan or looking at Petra Jordan and Balbec, Lebanon and all the way over to, you know, all the way to Tombo and Cusco Peru, whatever you wanna do, any of these sites around the world they state that they were built by the Inca or the Egyptians but all of them state one thing. They say they were built using bronze age tools because the timeline we're given has a certain linear progression of advancement and in the time period that they place us if we have this mindset we have now it means that everything was more primitive in the past and it became more advanced later on a very linear view, right? Just this boom and so therefore they would say well if this fell in this time period like we're told then they had these tools available that was as sophisticated as that culture was and all of these sites around the world all fall into the same category that we're told it stated that they had bronze age tools like Jeffrey mentioned. Now, if you look at the Mohs hardness scale and you look at the materials that all of these sophisticated what are known as megalithic civilizations megalithic means very large stones. When they carved all these different places around the world and made these structures it was almost always out of these very, very hard stones like granite or travertine or just these very, very high silica quartz stones that were very, very hard on the Mohs hardness scale way up, right? And those bronze age tools would have been impossible to be able to carve them. It would have been like taking a piece of plastic like we have today or just a very soft metal like aluminum or brass or something and trying to carve like a very hard rock you wouldn't be able to do anything you could just sit on bang on it all day and it wouldn't even, it wouldn't cut at all let alone the precision on these cuts that is so advanced that we can't even do it with our technology today. That's the most mind boggling part of all of this. It's not that they didn't just have bronze age tools they had technologies that we don't have their means of cutting these stones Brian Forrester has pointed out one thing that is impossible to look past. When you go to places in Egypt and Peru around actually Cairo and around the Osirion and in different places around the Great Pyramid you find these bore holes around these ancient sites around the world you find them in Peru as well these holes that are like in Tiwanaku and Pumu Punku perfectly circular through the center of these rocks. Okay, so perfect that it was it's the only way you could do it is if you had like a bore diamond bit bore drill and but the problem is they've brought in expert masons that have gone to these ancient sites and looked at them and they don't even understand how it was possible right to make some of these structures so we're not talking about a civilization that was just had some fun little temples and looked at the stars a lot we're talking about their ability and understanding of our world and energy centers and understanding what really mattered and building these structures that had these energetic purposes that could bring them to probably everything from higher conscious states to connecting to these gods to extend their life and making them live longer when you look at the Osiris tomb in Egypt there's this giant granite box right it's not hollow there's nothing in it but it's this giant tomb that's a box essentially what was the purpose of carving this multi-ton box and then lowering it down to the subterranean cavern with incredibly sophisticated pillars and then placed it there it's an energetic purpose I believe that some of these beings whether or not they're human or non had the ability to literally go into like a stasis like Thoth mentions from Egypt where you could literally go into like a stasis and you can reemerge and we've seen that in a lot of movies reemerge later right and I think that that's really what we're looking at here is completely lost understanding of all these things that were happening in our past that really seemed like they come right out of some floor of the ring so we're science fiction novel right it's almost fantastic to consider well that's like in a modern day when you talk about it they're like oh you've watched too much enter the name and when you said that getting a stasis it reminds me of the opening of the X-Men apocalypse movie just the story of that particular character of apocalypse that was his deal but yeah I think that's where they took it from I think that all a lot of movies have woven in a lot of this ancient stuff into them yeah for various reasons and they all point towards this past history when all these abilities longevity all these different secrets we lost all those gifts we fell down to a lower state and now we're just trying to find our way back yeah and it's interesting going back to what we were mentioned a second ago kind of stories that are in the Bible it's also very interesting that the fall of humanity came from the misrepresentation of the serpent and the tree of good and evil et cetera and because we fell so hard this begatten son had to be brought to save us and all of that stuff I'm a big fan of Billy Carson obviously but I think that messianic kind of thought process is well somebody's gonna save me or something's gonna save me is it can be dangerous because honestly the true gifts and the true savior is within us I mean I don't have to talk corny about it but that's the truth yeah yeah as you mentioned it's actually really interesting in the secret book of John in the Naga Madhi one of the most incredible passages it talks about is the idea that this jealous creator God who we know is named Enlil and Sumer he states that because he was put in charge of these different they were put in charge of these different lots they called them or different dimensions or realms the his was in he was in charge of our physical realm and he mentions how he basically had almost like a hatred towards humanity because he felt they felt threatened at what we could become and his name in the text was Yaldoboth okay and he states that basically they because of that jealousy and that hatred by some of them they cast us down into the lowest form of all energy of matter basically in this lower state of energy that we don't belong in because of that jealousy and that's why we're in a state now where we didn't used to exist that way at all in fact the place that we were gonna go next after talking about the Sumerian king list in the timeline is we were gonna you know get into Atlantis and how that got started yes yeah with that in doubt and well and keeping well before we go into the Atlantis it's just so interesting because you go back to that sibling rivalry which has dictated the path of humanity Enlil versus Inky you watching prepping for this I listened to you and Billy's video talk to me a little bit about some of what you guys read about Ninlil it was a female human being that once you begin you know according with Enlil they were speaking about able to control the fates and to me that to me that read about that the read that their ability to dictate the path of humanity which is like I talk about it all the time this eagle and the serpent thing has been dictating the path of humanity for centuries if not longer talk to me about it and then Lil if you don't mind real quick. Okay so the tablet you're referring to is called Enlil and Sood okay and it's another one of these Mesopotamian tablets that came out of the Iraq area and it talks about how Enlil just great god of the mountain he was known as the mountain of me the temples he had built for him he basically was searching the cosmos and everywhere to find this perfect female consort right that's what it states and everywhere he searched didn't matter he ended up finding that consort as in a human here on earth and her name was Sood essentially and she was the daughter of another of a woman who lived in this region at the time and he essentially goes and asks for this daughter that she's gonna have's hand in marrying him and becoming like a great ruler and now the term that's in there you're referring to that's so incredible to me and it's actually one of the subtitles of one of the chapters in one of the chapters in my book The Stage of Time it's this concept in this term that's used in multiple tablets I think I added up at least three tablets that mention this term and every time I hear it I try to think about it and connect it and what it says is that he basically tells this this female Ninlil that he wants to make her as powerful as him so that she can be an ordainer of destinies okay this is the term that it uses and it uses it in many many places in fact it references these Ononaki or Anuna as they call themselves as the ordainers of destinies but it doesn't just state that it's like some symbolic thing it actually talks about that in the Epic of Gilgamesh specifically where he's Gilgamesh this great king okay of Iraq like we mentioned there are a king list he talks in that about how he got the gods these Ononaki gods connected with him and were having discussions and told him that basically he had greatness in his destiny okay they could basically what it implied when you read the whole tablet all the whole sets of tablets there's actually many tablets that make up the Epic of Gilgamesh and I believe it's the longest set of tablets of all that whole story though what you find out is that Gilgamesh is an ancient bloodline king who was very very tall had this adult lion as a pet was the size of a house cat that's how big he was right it shows images in murals showing that but it states he went on this great journey to find immortality through this great flood hero Zayasudra or Adrahasis but what's so amazing about that is that he says that he was chosen by the gods because they perceive his destiny as being heroic and he's got all this potential and all these other tablets keep mentioning that that the Ononaki the ordainers of destinies and he mentions to this Ninlil that she can become his consort and be an ordainer of destiny as well and what does that mean? Well in the same tablet and in another one also called the Enmakar and the Lord of Arata it mentions that there's these specific types of temples that have these me's M E apostrophe S of magnificence and they call the temples Ianas okay and so I started to like really think about this and to think about what they what they talk about with ordainers of destinies and the only thing that makes any logical sense when you consider any of this is that somehow these beings have the ability to perceive timelines that's the only way that makes sense because when you read about Atlantis being destroyed one of the things that comes up with like Edgar Cayce readings and other places as well is the idea that there were these crystals that had the ability to be incredibly powerful and if used in the wrong way they could destroy have great power and that's it's interesting to me that that name me's apostrophe I ended up finding that I actually learned about that in other places and then when I was reading these tablets I found that again and like I couldn't believe that it was actually saying that in these texts and so I do believe as hard as it may be to accept that you know if every conclusion you've ruled out then whatever remains has to be the most logical thing and that is that somehow these had to be some kind of a crystal technology to perceive things and that really blows my mind to consider that like I got back to the beginning when I said that humanity seems like it's almost like this theater show that's why I called my last book the stage of time it seems like we're on this great stage where we're being observed and we're being influenced by so many different places like you mentioned these symbols eagle and serban all these influences of conquering and war versus other influences of becoming higher conscious beings and connected to the stars it seems like that back and forth and that struggle has come to define us but as we've gone along it's essentially this mentality of war and conquering and the eagle has overtaken our world and brought us to the point we're at today. So deep. I know I can't keep you much longer because I definitely didn't want you to get into your recent finds about Atlantis but you mentioned something about the Andrahasis or the Zayas Sutra again this is another biblical reference to some degree because those stories are essentially the precursors of the story of Noah and the great flood. So yeah. You want me to speak about those? What do you mean by that? Well no I was just saying you brought that up so when people, not a lot of people maybe who haven't listened before aren't familiar with Zayas Sutra aka Andrahasis which is essentially the story of the flood in the Bible with Noah. But definitely jump into your finds on Atlantis man because I find this really really fascinating. Okay so so many people are fascinated by Atlantis. It is the most popular of all the lost civilization material, right? And for good reason. I mean we have some really interesting records from a very credible person, you know? But just to me what's amazing is that there's a lot of ancient texts that have been taken and brought into a lot of religions and are taken in a really serious way, right? But then things like with Plato he's one of the greatest philosophers in history and yet all of his everything he talked about with Atlantis was considered a myth. And it really reminds me of how these tablets were considered as well. It's seemed that a lot of really smart people learned that it'd be very easy just to discredit things if you just called them a myth. And then people wouldn't take them literally. So what I found amazing, what I found amazing Jeffrey is when I started to really look into these stories and reading about them just like how I mentioned in Cuneiform tablets that there's these nuggets that are very literal that have very descriptive purposes, Plato does the same thing. And in two of his most famous writings, the Timmyus and the Cretius, he gives these incredible descriptions of Atlantis. Now how do we know it's not a myth? Well, he says in his writings that he got all this information from Solon who traveled to Egypt in 590 BC. And Solon stayed in Egypt and he learned all about ancient records and he traveled back. And for those who don't know, Solon was an Athenian statesman and poet, okay? And Plato was obviously another Athenian philosopher. So he brought this story back and let's pause it for a second. Where did he bring the story back from? Egypt, where we know that the library of Alexandria was one of the greatest libraries in the world that was burned down by the Romans, the eagle, right? That attacked them and destroyed their entire civilization. Well, it makes sense then that if Solon traveled to Egypt, it would have housed one of the greatest libraries at that time in the world. I think the two greatest libraries in the world that have ever been found are the areas of Egypt. Some of the texts have been burned and they will never get back again. But at least there's other things like the Dead Sea Scrolls and Pyramid Text, which by the way, I include Pyramid Text in the next book. I don't know if anyone's ever even heard of those. They're from Sakara, Egypt. And then essentially that culture that had all those records contained this great story, but it wasn't a story that was from the recent past. It was an ancient story that had been carried down to the Egyptians and they gave great detail to Solon about this civilization they called Atlantis. Now I'm gonna read a couple passages from the Timmyus and Cretius and describe Atlantis and we're gonna have to try to blow through this timeline because we don't have a lot of time left. But we're gonna do the best we can here because I know we sometimes things go off on a different direction. So in the Timmyus and Cretius, Plato gives these really just detailed descriptions about this ancient civilization. And what you find is the descriptions of it mimic a lot of this ancient technology we found in these megalithic civilizations around the world. And therefore really what you conclude when you start looking at it from the timeline of what we have from information is that Atlantis fell into what we think of as these lost civilizations. And I think it emerged after the great Sumerian cities that are talked about in a lot of these tablets became really sophisticated. I think that's really what we're looking at and let's read some of the evidence so we can back that up. Okay. So in, we're gonna start with the Cretius. This is a section that he says and I want people to really think about this because it really blows this open because these ancient texts contain all these secrets. For the ocean there was at that time navigable.  And it was possible for travelers of that time to cross it from the other islands and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them, which encompasses that variable ocean. For all that we have been here lying within the mouth of which we speak is evidently having a narrow entrance, but that yonder is a real ocean and the land surrounding it most rightly be called in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis, there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island and over many of the other islands also in parts of its continent. I mean, that is incredible. I mean, think about it. He mentioned at the end that not only was Atlantis had series of islands, but it could be considered a continent. It was so huge. And that at the end, there were these great and marvelous kings with great power that ruled over the city. It sounds just like something out of a cuneiform tablet, doesn't it, Jeffrey? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I've always been fascinated by Solon's depiction of it because I mean, it's almost one of the only ones that really, of any substance, kind of legitimize and kind of authenticate something. But something, when I talked to Billy a while ago, and I think you even touched on it, I mean, we could think of Atlantis as a continent in the Atlantic Ocean, but Billy said something very, and I think, again, you echoed it. Atlantis was a global, it was like it was a global phenomenon or something global as opposed to any particular localized area. But I do believe there was something there and something you said so many times when you're in Maine. So back in the day, pre-Diluvian, there were miles of ice over where you're at and most of the North American continent and just the northern part of the world. So I mean, anything that might have been there could have easily just been ground down over hundreds of thousands of years of having ice on top of it. Yeah, absolutely. But what I need to, I wanna clarify a few things. I'm not trying to state that Atlantis was just, when it's referred to Atlantis, it was just that place. It was definitely part of an enormous civilization that connected all over the world. I think that what we're talking about is a global civilization that existed around the world already. And we get evidence of that. I'm gonna bring up and we're gonna talk about in a second from the Critias. But it doesn't state that Atlantis was the only civilization at the time. It actually doesn't say that at all. It says that the Mediterranean had a thriving civilizations and so did Atlantis. So we're talking about a world in a way where today, think about how people are connected all around the world but there are empires that exist. I think it's the same thing. Think of Atlantis as like the DC of the Atlantic Ocean. It was like the Washington DC of the Atlantic Ocean. It was like this giant set of circular island land masses and we're gonna read what it says about that. But it states that it basically got destroyed and well, let's get into it and we'll expand on that in a second. So let me expand on a couple things that Plato says in the Critias because in the Critias is really where it gets into some of the hard details, okay? It states that Poseidon carved the mountain where his love dwelt in a palace and enclosed it with three circular motes of increasing width, varying from one to three stadia and separated by rings of land, proportional in size. The Atlanteans then built bridges northward from the mountain making a route to the rest of the island. They dug a great canal to the sea and alongside the bridges carved tunnels into the rings of rocks so that ships could pass into the city around the mountain. They carved docks from the rock walls of the motes. Every passage of the city was guarded by gates and towers and a wall surrounded each ring of the city. The walls were constructed of red, white and black rock. I mean, that to me is completely mind blowing. It's not hypothetical. It's not just talking about this perfect society, this Socratic society. It's talking about a very specific place that Solon found all of these incredible descriptions about in Egypt, okay? Now, I wanna get into something really quick before I read the last passage from the Critias. Go for it. Plato goes on to state that it wasn't, like I mentioned before, he says that Atlantis before it was destroyed was part of an enormous war. Now, a lot of people have asked me, they've been like, you know, Matt, what are the evidence of wars in the past? Well, Plato talks all about this war that existed with Atlantis and that war almost everyone has heard of, okay? And it's called the Titans versus the Olympians. And it makes complete sense if you think about it for a minute. What was the Mediterranean area? What was that civilization that was there? The ancient Greeks. Not the Greeks that we think of, but the ancient Greeks before them. Greece is just, the Greek people in the Greek land, that area, that region is part of an ancient place that connects to megalithic stuff. Like for instance, in the Mediterranean Ocean, there's an island off of, there's a set of islands actually, off of Spain called Menorca, okay? And on those islands are these incredible T-shaped pillars that exactly mimic, in every way, the astronomical temple of Gobekli Tepe over a thousand miles away east in Turkey. The same astronomical temple. And what you find is that all of those cultures around the Mediterranean were all part of one empire. And then this culture of Atlantis that was a continent off of the west of the straits of Gibraltar, I do believe that it was part of that Atlantic ridge area with like the Azores and possibly connecting all the way over to the area of the Bahamas. Maybe we had crust shift and move things around, but it seems like that entire region was part of something that used to be there. But it states that there used to be a continent there and it was a great empire that was the greatest the world had ever seen. It was basically if you think about all the technology that had ever been developed by every culture in this entire 200,000 year timeline, Atlantis had reached the greatest level of sophistication of all. And that's what led to their own destruction as well. It's a glimpse back into looking at our own society because Plato says that this war was between Atlantis and the Mediterranean Greeks and it was called the Titans versus the Olympians. And the Titans were, was Atlantis and the Olympians was the Greeks. Now think about it for a minute. Where is Mount Olympus? Right. It's in Greece, okay? That's the domain of Enlil, okay? That was Enlil on the side of the Greeks. They were the Olympians versus Enki on the side of the Atlantis. But we're a bit mad. Didn't you see the Atlanteans were the ones who became corrupted? That's right. So then why are they on the wrong side? Well, Atlantis became greatly divided. And Thoth tells us that in the Emerald Tablets. He says that Atlantis became completely divided. There was a group there that he says delved into dark magic, black magic and started getting to all kinds of dark black magic and deep energy and all these things that were really completely opposite of their values. And Atlantis became this very divided place. And so what happened was, what happened was Thoth and a lot of the priests of Atlantis they fled before any of the war and any of the, when the Atlantis sunk and disappeared because they knew that the entire, it was all corrupted and they had to preserve all of that ancient knowledge from the past. And that's how Egypt first got started. They, he traveled there and he created what was known as Chem or Kemet, the land of Chem. And that's where he states that he built the pyramids with all this ancient Atlantean technology. So that's where we can place that, Jeffrey, based on this evidence somewhere around 50,000 years ago. When again, we see these structures, Thoth fled to Central America, Mexico area and we see those megalithic structures there where the Emerald Tablets reside or were written. It's so fascinating. Wow. I swear. Yeah. That's a great brain hurt, Matthew. Well, let's get before we get off too far, let's read the last quote that Plato says. And this gives us evidence for what happened to it, okay? Now, after these, when these wars were occurring, Plato states that Atlantis was destroyed from activities that were not related to the war, okay? So even though Atlantis caused its own demise, it was because they used their powers for the wrong reasons and they used these certain types of me's, I believe, like it states, to create as like energy weapons or something, they used it all for dark purposes and they caused basically their own destruction because they were located on the mid-Atlantic ridge. And during this time period, happened to coincide with major earth changes. And so what Plato states is that they essentially destroyed themselves by their own use of energy as well as these earth changes that they may have enhanced or whatever had happened at the time. But this is what he states. But afterwards, there occurred violent earthquakes and floods and in a single day and night of misfortune, all of your warlike men in a body sank into the earth and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable because there is a shoal of mud in the way and this was caused by the subsidence of the island. So he says right there that Atlantis was basically submerged beneath the ocean and the entire civilization was destroyed. Now, the only thing that can do that is when you get tectonic plates that move across each other and one of them goes underneath another one. They go right underneath and they cause incredible friction and earthquakes and violent disasters. And that's exactly what he says. He says afterwards, violent earthquakes and floods. Right, you do that for tens of thousands of years. You're not gonna see much.  But it really is fascinating that all these things are like very clearly discussed by him in these texts and yet we choose to just consider them as myth and nothing at all. And it really blows my mind when I read these and I try to wrap this timeline together. Now quickly, Jeffrey, let's try to get to the end of this if we can. Absolutely, sir. I don't think we're gonna be able to go into detail but think about all of these lost civilizations like the pre-Inca, right? And some of the ones you mentioned up the Mexico, like the early Aztec and the early Maya, we find this construction on the lowest levels that's sophisticated and it gets more primitive as it goes along. And so what we can really do is place any one of those sophisticated structure civilizations around the world that uses a certain level of sophistication. We essentially can place them all before these great catastrophes of the younger dry-ass 12,000 years ago because we know that they were around before them because all of their remnants were destroyed, scattered all over the place. They're always in ruin. And then a culture came later and rebuilt on top of them. And so really what we're talking about is these epics that seem to go, mankind is created 2,000 years ago or around there 200,000 years ago and the city of Eridu is basically considered the biblical Eden. And then basically civilization rose and fall based on great empires fighting and these natural disasters based on the grain solar and changes to our sun and different astronomical things that are occurring. And so we see cycles going up and down and these civilizations are basically all placed where they are in this timeline based on what is said in these tablets and what little bits of evidence we actually have. Like for instance, you mentioned Audra Hasis in the great flood. Well, he talks about that great flood, but which flood? Could it have been another cycle before the younger dry-ass? Yeah, I could definitely accept that, especially when you look at some of the work, Robert Shock and Robert Bevall talking about how the great Sphinx has astronomical connections that may bring another processional cycle even further back. Maybe it's 36,000 years old. We don't really fully know, but we at least know that it falls into this enormous timeline that goes well over 50,000 years in our past and all these later cultures like the Romans and the later Greeks and looking at modern day times, that's just this little tiny little glimpse that really does only go back about 6,000 years from what we're told. Well, but through some of that work, I was gonna bring up Robert Shock and Robert Bevall earlier as well as the late John Anthony West because of being able to study these certain climate cycles, they've been able to see through the geology and the weather erosion or the water erosion on this Sphinx, they were able to push the date back way further than the official date. So I mean, that's some of the awesome research that those guys have done utilizing not just ice core like Randall, but just climate cycles. Yeah, that's what's so fantastic about this kind of work. I love geology, I love studying the climate. I've always had a fascination about that. And so I girly dug into it and just looked into their work and I dug into the data myself. And it's so clear that if you have extreme rainfall on a structure like the enclosure of the Sphinx, that you would have to look for a time period where enough rain was able to fall to create that erosion. It's as simple as that. You just have to have an understanding of different time periods and weather patterns and you can't say that rainfall eroded the enclosure of the Sphinx less than 6,000 years ago, if there's never been a time period where really much rain at all fell. Exactly. So it's very clear. It's not just that we're placing these items there because on this timeline, because it sounds good, we're using all this concrete evidence. I really do believe that points to the fact that we may not know exactly when they were built, but we have a pretty good idea that it was well beyond 12,000 years ago. We know when they weren't, that's for sure. Definitely wasn't 2,500 BC for the Faro Khufu. Exactly, I mean Khufu, the Great Pyramid of Giza is called Khufu's Pyramid by modern academics. All to give Khufu credit for building it, even though Khufu is one of the dynastic Faro's who came thousands of years later and had no part in building that at all. They say that the pyramids were built by those Faro's because there were tombs for them, except there's never been tombs from Faro's ever found in those pyramids. And they were found over 400 miles away in the Valley of the Kings. I mean, it's just lie after lie put on top of each other and then they just put a bandaid over and then tell people that's what they should just believe. And it just doesn't make any sense when you start to look into it. And I think that that's the unfortunate thing, Jeffrey, is that what separates individuals like you and I and a lot of the other ones that study this is that it's not that they go cuckoo and start having this weird mindset. It's that once you start going down this rabbit hole, I really love that term because it's the best way to describe it. Once you start looking, it just keeps going and it connects to more and more things. And that's why individuals that have a much more, a better understanding of this type of information to study this, it almost seems like they're just light distances away from other people that come up on the street because there's that paradigm. There's that moment where people either have taken in just the narrative or they've gone the complete other way. And that's what we're faced with today. Yeah, the confirmation bias. Well, brother, I've kept you longer than I think you said you had time for tonight. Any closing statements, comments? Yeah, actually, thank you so much. I really appreciate these conversations, Jeffrey. You're a fantastic person to talk to. Thank you, sir. And I really do love your enthusiasm and all the kind words and support you give me. I just wanted to make one announcement that I didn't get a chance to at the beginning of the show. There's gonna be a lot of people that are really excited about this. This has been one of the most commonly asked things of me in the last couple of years. And I just want people to know that I am preparing in the next coming weeks. I will be both releasing the second edition of the stage of time, well as the full audio. Nice. That was done professionally of the stage of time and that is over seven hours long. For all those people who say, come on, Matt, I love your book and I don't really read that often. For all those people to have long drives and really prefer audio, you get seven plus hours of all of that. So I hope people enjoy that. I'll be releasing those in conjunction somewhat soon in the future and then updating my website with all the information. That is absolutely awesome. I'm telling you, the stage of time, ladies and gentlemen, a life's work, I'm sure. I mean, it just is that red pill. The information is just so mind blowing. It really goes more in depth than what we've gone into here, thestageoftime.com. Of course, the epic of humanity with him and Billy Carson coming out very soon. Matthew, I so appreciate you, man. I so appreciate that. I mean, I countless hundreds of thousands of hours that you put into doing this because this is what we need, man. We need to break out of the box.  It helps gives me that perspective of not getting so caught up in the moment to moment and realize it makes me, echo your sentiments of who we really are and don't get so caught up in our life situation, but our life is weird, glorious, infinite consciousness with love on our mind. And yeah, I appreciate your work, man. I really appreciate all those kind words. I just wanna just leave off by telling people that I'm very optimistic about our future as much as I put down what we are and what we're doing now. I am really optimistic about our future. There's so many other people like you that are discovering this information and changing on a fundamental level. I'm so proud of so many of the comments that I receive of people that just talk about how they've discussed this with others and blown their mind and completely changed them. And it's just this chain, this cycle of consciousness that's rippling out from our actions and causing this great paradigm change as we lead into this light of Aquarius that the ancients always knew that these cycles have a positive and a negative polarity and we're going into that great time of positivity in the golden age. And I think that it's really an honor to work with individuals like you who we can help to usher in that new age. Well, you know, again, I appreciate you and we're not gonna be a big pat on the bat fest, but it's like we're all works in progress and I'm just indicative of that as well. So finding new information, not creating those confirmation biases where I'm not willing to hear new thoughts, new paradigms has really helped me out. And you know, with the show I do with the nature it can just get dark sometimes. So I thank you so much because I've just, it's helped me create that balance of studying the darkness and kind of being immersed in the darkness while still staying in the light. So I know that might sound corny, but it's helped me more than I can begin to tell you. So it's always awesome to talk to you, sir. Well, thank you so much. I really look forward to the next time too, Jeffrey. Absolutely. Matthew LaCroix, ladies and gentlemen, TheStageOfTime.com, the illusion of us and the upcoming epic of humanity with Billy Carson. Peace and so much love you guys. Stay tuned. As always, there will be more.