From New York City, it's theCUBE. Covering CyberConnect 2017. Brought to you by Centrify and the Institute for Critical Infrastructure Technology. They were testing it. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are here live in New York City for CyberConnect. 2017's CUBE coverage is presented by Centrify as an industry event bringing all the leaders of industry and government together around all the great opportunities to solve the crisis of our generation at cybersecurity. We are Cricket and Lew, Chief DNS Architect and Senior Fellow at Infoblox. Cricket, great to see you again. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you, nice to be back, John. So we're live here and really this is the first inaugural event of CyberConnect. Bringing government and industry together. We saw the retired general on stage talking about some of the history but also the fluid nature. We saw Jim from Aetna talking about how unconventional tactics, and talking about domains and how he was handling email. That's a DNS problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're the DNS guru. DNS has become a big role in this. What is, what's going on here around DNS? Why is it important to CyberConnect? Well, you know, I'll be talking tomorrow about the first anniversary, a little bit later than the first anniversary of the big DDoS attack on Dyn, the DNS hosting provider up in Manchester, New Hampshire. And trying to determine if we've actually learned anything, have we improved our DNS infrastructure in any way in the ensuing year plus? Are we doing anything from a standards standpoint on protecting DNS infrastructure, those sorts of things? And certainly one of the highlight examples was mobile users are masked by the DNS on, say, email, for instance, Jim was pointing that out. I got to ask you because, you know, we heard things like sink-holing addresses, hackers create domain names in the first 48 hours, launch attacks, so there's all kinds of tactical things that are being involved with, say, domain names, for instance. That's part of the critical infrastructure. So the question is, how, and DDoS attacks, DNS service attacks, are coming in in the tens of thousands per day? Yeah, well, that issue that you talked about, in particular, the idea that the bad guys register brand new domain names, domain names that, initially, of course, have no negative reputation associated with them. My friend, Paul Vixie, and his new company, Farsight Security, have been working on that. They have what's called a passive DNS database. Was it in this company again? Farsight, Farsight, yeah.  So they know when a brand new domain name pops up somewhere on the internet because somebody has to resolve it, and they pump all of these brand new domain names into what's called a response policy zone feed. And you can get, for example, different thresholds. I want to see the brand new domain names created over the last 30 minutes or seen over the last 30 minutes. And if you block resolution of those brand new domain names, it turns out you block a tremendous amount of really malicious activity. And then after, say, 30 minutes, if it's a legitimate domain name, it falls off the list, and then you can resolve it. So they're essentially doing DNS signaling as a service for new name registrations because the demand is for software APIs that say, hey, I want to create some policy around some techniques to sinkhole domain address access. Is that what it's, something like that? Yeah, basically this goes hand in hand with this new system response policy zones, which allows you to implement DNS policy, something that we've really never before done with DNS servers. Actually, it's not quite true. There've been proprietary solutions for it, but response policy zones are an open solution. They give you the ability to say, hey, I do want to allow resolution of this domain name, but not this other domain name. And then you can say, all right, all of these brand new domain names for the first 30 minutes of their existence, I don't want to allow people to- It's like a background check for domain names. Yeah, yeah, yeah, or like a wait list, right? Okay, you don't get resolved for the first 30 minutes. That gives the sort of traditional, reputational analyzer so SpamHouse and CERBEL and people like that, a chance to look you over and say, yeah, it's malicious or it's not malicious. So that serves to be run by Paul Vixie, who is the contributor to the DNS protocol. That's right. Right, an enormous contributor, yeah. So we should keep an eye on that. Check it out, Paul Vixie. All right, so DNS is critical infrastructure. We've been talking about that. You and I love to riff about DNS and the role, what's it enabled? I'll say it's ASCII, but I got to ask you all this Unicode stuff about the emoji and the open source really highlights the Unicode phenomenon. Yeah, yeah. What is a hacker potential haven, DNS and Unicode distinction? It's really interesting from a DNS standpoint because we went to a lot of effort within the IETF, the Internet Engineering Task Force, some years ago, back when I was more involved in the IETF. Some people spent a tremendous amount of effort coming up with a way to allow people to use Unicode within domain name so that you could type something into your browser that was in traditional or simplified Chinese or that was in Arabic or was in Hebrew or any number of other scripts and you could type that in and it would be translated into something that we call puny code in the DNS community which is an ASCII equivalent to that. The issue with that though becomes that there are, we would say glyphs, most people I guess would say characters, but there are characters in Unicode that look just like, say, Latin alphabet characters. So there's lowercase a, for example, in Cyrillic. It's not a lowercase a in the Latin alphabet. It's a Cyrillic a, but it looks just like an a. And so it's possible for people to register names, domain names that in their Unicode representation look like, for example, PayPal, which of course has two a's in it, and those two a's could be Cyrillic a's. Not truly the ASCII representation of PayPal which would resolve through the DNS. Exactly. So imagine how subtle an attack that would be if you were able to send out a bunch of email, including links that said www.paypal.com. Yeah, someone's hacked your PayPal account. Click here. Yeah, exactly. And if you eyeballed it, you'd think, well, sure, that's www.paypal.com, but little do you know that it's actually not. So Jim Ruth talked about some applying unconventional methods because the bad guys don't subscribe to the conventional methods, they don't buy into it. He said that they change up their standards, is what I wrote down, but it was maybe, it's their sort of security footprint. 1.5 times a day, how does that apply to sort of your DNS world, is that even, how do you even do that? Well, we're beginning to do more and more with analytics DNS. The passive DNS database that I talked about, more and more big security players, including Infoblox, are collecting passive DNS data, and you can run interesting analytics on that passive DNS data, and you can, in some cases, automatically detect suspicious or malicious behavior. For example, you can say, hey, look, this named IP address mapping is changing really, really rapidly, and that might be an indication of, say, Fast Flux, or you can say, these domain names have really high entropy, the, you know, we did an ngram analysis of the labels of these, and consequence of that, we believe that this resolution of these domain names is actually being used to tunnel data out of an organization or into an organization. So there's some things that you can do with these analytical algorithms in order to suss out suspicious and malicious. And you're doing that in as close to real time as possible, presumably, right? That's right. Okay, and so now everybody's talking about edge, edge computing, edge analytics, how will the edge affect your ability to keep up? Well, you know, the challenge, I think, with doing analytics on passive DNS is that you have to be able to collect that data from a lot of places. The more places that you have, the more sensors that you have collecting passive DNS data, the better. You need to be able to get it out from the edge, from those local recursive DNS servers that are actually responding to the queries that come from, say, your smartphone or your laptop or what have you. If you don't have that kind of data, if you've only got, say, big ISPs, then you may not detect the compromise of somebody's corporate network, for example. I was looking at some stats when I asked the IoT question because you're kind of teasing out kind of the edge of the network and this with mobile and wearables as the general was pointing out is going to create more surface area. But I just also saw a story, I don't know if it was from Google or wherever, but 80% plus roughly websites are going to have SSL, HTBS, and resolving through. And there's reports out here that a lot of the antivirus provisions have been failing because of compromised certificates. And to quote, this is from Research Park and we'll get your reaction to this. Our results show, this is from University of Maryland College Park. Our results show that compromised certificates pose a bigger threat than we previously believed and is not restricted to advanced threats and digitally signed malware was common in the wild well before Stuxnet. And so breaches have been caused by compromising certificates of actual authority. So this brings up the whole, okay, SSL was supposed to be solving this, that's just one problem. They get the certificates well before Stuxnet. So Stuxnet really was kind of going on before Stuxnet. Now you get the edge of the network. Who has the DNS control for these devices? Well, so is it kind of like failing? Is it crumbling? How do we get that trust back? Well, that's a good question. You know, one of the issues that we've had is that at various points, CA's certificate authorities have been conned into issuing certificates for websites that they shouldn't have. For example, hey, generate a cert for me. The Chinese do it all the time. Exactly, I run www.bankofamerica.com. They give it to the wrong guy, he installs it. We have, I think, something like 1500 top level certification authorities. Something crazy like that. Dan Kaminsky had a number in one of his blog posts and it was absolutely ridiculous. The number of different CA's that we trust that are built in to most common browsers like Chrome and Firefox and things like that. We're actually trying to address some of those issues with DNS, so there are two new resource records being introduced to DNS. One is called TLSA. TLSA? TLSA. Yeah, and the other one is called CAA, I think, which always makes me think of the California Automotive Association, but TLSA is basically a way of publishing data in your own zone that says, my cert looks like this. You can say, this is my cert. You can just completely go around the CA and you can say, this is my cert, and then you DNSSEC sign your zone and you're done. Or you can do something short of that and you can say, my cert should look like this and it should have this CA, right? This is my CA. Don't trust any other one. So it's metadata about the cert or the cert itself. Exactly, so that way, if somebody manages to go get a cert for your website, but they get that cert from some untrustworthy CA, I don't know who that would be. Or a compromise. Right, or a compromise CA, nobody will trust it. Nobody who actually looks up the TLSA record because they'll go, oh, okay, I can see that Infobox asserts that their CA is Symantec and this is not a Symantec signed cert, so I'm not going to believe it. And at the same time, this CAA record is designed to be consumed by the CA's themselves and it's a way of saying, say, Infobox can say, hey, we are a customer of Symantec or whomever, Komodo. And then when the cert, when somebody goes to the cert and says, hey, I want to generate a certificate for www.infobox.com, they'll look it up and they'll say, ooh, they're a Symantec customer, I'm not going to do that for you. Yeah, yeah. So it creates trust. Now, how does this impact the edge of the network because the question really is, everyone's on their own mind is, does the internet of things create more trust or does it create more vulnerabilities or how does that balance, I mean, everyone knows it's a surface area, but still, there are technical solutions like what you're talking about. How does this play out in your mind? How does Infobox see it? How do you see it? What's Paul Vixie working on? Does that tie into it? Is this going to be, because out in the hinterlands and the edge of the network and the wild, is it like a DNS server on the device? It could be a sensor, how are they resolving? So what is the protocol for these?  So that's all really good. IoT, I think of as slightly orthogonal to that, IoT is still a real challenge. I mean, there's so many IoT devices out there. I look at IoT, though, and I'll talk about this tomorrow, and actually, I've got a live event on Thursday where I'll talk about it some more with my friend Matt Larson. But- Is that going to be here in New York? Actually, we're broadcasting out of Washington, D.C. Were you streaming that? It is streamed. In fact, it's only streamed, I think- Put a plug in for the URL, Matt Larson. If you go to www.infobox.com, I think it's one of the first things that will slide into your view. All right, so you can put it on your company site, infobox.com, you and Matt Larson. Okay, cool, so Thursday event, check it out. Yeah, it's somewhat embarrassingly called CricketLew Live.  Well, you guys know what you're talking about, it's great. So there's a discussion among certain boards of directors that says, look, we're losing the battles, we're losing the war, we got to shift more on response and at least cover our buts and get sort of our response mechanism in place. What do you advise those boards? What's the right balance between sort of defense, perimeter, core infrastructure and response? Well, I mean, I would certainly advocate as a DNS guy that people instrument their DNS infrastructure to the extent that they can to be able to detect evidence of compromise. And that's a relatively straightforward thing to do and most organizations haven't gone to the trouble to actually plumb their DNS infrastructure into, for example, their SIM infrastructure so they can get query log information, they can use RPCs to flag when a client looks up the domain name of a known command and control server, which is a clear indication of compromise, those sorts of things. I think that's really important, it's a pretty easy win. I do think at this point, we have to kind of resign ourselves to the idea that we have devices on our network that are infected. That game is lost, right? There's no more crunchy outer shell security, it just doesn't really work. So you have to have, you have to have defense in depth, as they say, right? You have to have. And how CERS has been around for such a long time.  So it looks like there's some things happening. That's cool. So I got to ask you, CyberConnect is the first real inaugural event that brings industry and some, obviously government and tech geeks together, it's not Black Hat or ITF or it's not those geeky forums. It's really a business community coming together. What's your take of this event? What's your observations? What are you seeing here? Well, I'm really excited to actually get the opportunity to talk to people who are chiefly security people. I think that's kind of a novelty for me because most of the time, I think I speak to people who are chiefly networking people and in particular, that little niche of networking people who are interested in DNS. Although truth be told, maybe they're not even really interested in DNS. Maybe they just put up with me. Well, the community's been really strong. DNS community has always been organically grown and reliable. But I love the idea of talking about DNS security to a security audience. And hopefully some of the folks that we get to talk to here will come away from it thinking, oh wow. So I didn't even realize that my DNS infrastructure could actually be a security tool for me. It could actually be helpful in any way in detecting compromise. And what about just final question, because I'm going to get a time check here, but operational impact to some of these DNS changes that are coming down from Paul Vixie, you and Matt Larson doing some things together. What's the impact to the customer? And they say, okay, DNS will play a role in how I roll out my architecture. Obviously, I can get new solutions for cyber. IoT's right around the corner. What's the impact to them in your mind operationally? Well, there certainly is some operational impact. For example, if you want to subscribe to RPC feeds, you've got to become a customer of somebody who provides a commercial RPC feed or somebody who provides a free RPC feed. You have to plumb that into your DNS infrastructure. You have to make sure that it continues transferring.  I think one of the, all of that stuff is sort of routine day-to-day stuff. Nothing out of the ordinary. No radical plumbing changes, if you will. Right, but I think one of the big challenges is that in so many of the organizations that I go to visit, the security organization and the networking organization are in different silos and they don't necessarily communicate a lot. So maybe the more difficult operational challenge is just making sure that you have that communication. And that the security guys know the DNS guys, the networking guys, and vice versa, and they cooperate to work on problems. This seems to be the big collaboration theme that's happening here, that it's more of a community model kind of coming together around security. Cricket Loo here, DNS, chief architect of DNS, architect and senior fellow of Infoblox. Obviously a legend in the DNS community among Paul Vixian, amongst the peers. Really that community holding down the floor. Obviously a lot of exploits out there to watch out for. Thanks for your commentary here at the CyberConnect 2017 inaugural event that's theCUBE. We'll be right back with more after this short break.


How many numbers do you have there? Eight. And where did you get eight on over here? Three divided by twenty-four. Twenty-four divided by thirty? Eight, thirty-six. You're right. And how many groups do you have here, Brenda? I have two groups. No, how many groups do you have here? Six. How many groups do you have here? What's your divisor? Three. Three. So you have three groups in your tens right now. You're distributing your tens. How many tens do you have in each group? Eight. So three. Well, actually, can you give me a multiplication sentence to match what you just did? Three times eight. Yes, you have three groups and you put eight discs in each group. So three times eight gives you what? Twenty-four. Twenty-four. So just like you said, Janissa, three, twenty-four divided by three is eight, and so we know eight times three is twenty-four. Go ahead and model on your long equation. So that would be eight. So far on the top we have eighteen. So now, now, eight times eight equals twenty-four, so twenty-four. So what would you do with the twenty-four? You know that three times eight is twenty-four, so what do you need to do now if you've distributed all of your tens? Just go ahead and do that. Twenty-four. That's twenty-four. Zero. So we still have it. And then we bring down our six because we have our six there. So now we can take six away from six. Wait. Where did you get six from though? Well, you've distributed your six ones, so give me a multiplication sentence to match that. Six minus six. Well, multiplication sentence, so how many groups do you have here? Three groups. And you've distributed your six ones, how many ones in each group? Two. Two. So go ahead and write it down on your long division. Now your multiplication sentence will be what? Three times two. Yes, three times two, and three times two gives you what? Six. Six, so that's where you get your six. Don't forget your steps, okay? So six, now what do you need to do? Subtract. Go ahead. Six. So our answer is one hundred and eighty-two. That's the quotient, and you got it.


What's up everyone, Takedown here. Welcome back to another video. Today I'm going to be sharing with you a few video games that I feel should be free for PS Plus in the future. Let's get right into this. So what first is Horizon Zero Dawn? This is a game that I have a lot of co-workers recommending to me. I've described this on the channel before and I've talked about this game on the channel before. But it's just to me since there apparently is a lot to do in the game and it's a really lengthy game. It's just something that I haven't considered because of I don't have too much time these days for a really lengthy game. Apparently there's a lot to do in it and I know it's only $20 or $30 in the store and I do plan on getting it in the future. I really want to play this game. It's just I haven't had time to finish off some of my other games to get time to play a lengthy game. However, I feel if it was free for PS Plus it definitely would be something I could get into and at least I'd be able to download it and play it whenever I had time instead of purchasing it and wanting to play it right away. I could simply download it for free for PS Plus and wait a month or two until I cleaned up the rest of my games and then play it. However, I just don't want to purchase it and have it sit and that's why I just have yet to purchase it. But it definitely for me makes sense for it to be a free PS Plus game in the future. Next up is Project Cars 2. I recently purchased not too long ago the first Project Cars game. It's a lot of fun. I'm really into racing games. It is closed circuit racing which most of the time I'm not a fan of but for this game it's awesome. It doesn't take long to get used to. The mechanics are awesome and it's really simple to play. On top of that I know there's no customization of the game but the career mode is pretty unique. You basically sign a contract with a team and then you can go and race for different racing classes depending on what contract you signed that year. So it has a very unique aspect to it and since I really enjoyed the first Project Cars game I think that it would be fun to have them have Project Cars 2 for free for PS Plus. To me that would be awesome because I'm really enjoying the first one and I feel like once I finish the first one if this was a future free PS Plus game I would be on cloud nine. I really want to play this game and I really even though it is on PlayStation now and I plan on getting PlayStation now I just feel like a lot of people could get into the Project Cars series if it was free for PS Plus. Next up is God of War which is the last God of War that came out. I've never played a God of War game. It's just one of those games that it's not really up my alley. It's not something that I honestly feel like I would enjoy to play. It's not really a game that interests me. However if it was free for PS Plus I would at least make an attempt to play the game and try it out for the first time because it's not something I would want to pay money for but if it was free for PS Plus I would at least make an attempt to play the game and try it out for the first time. Now I've done this with other PS Plus games in the past where I've tried them out and upon downloading them trying them out for the first time I ended up deleting them or I have them sit for a while and I don't play it because it's not really something I'm into and then end up deleting it but I at least make an attempt for most PS Plus games these days. I'll at least download them try them out maybe try them a couple times and if it's just not something I'm into I delete it so if God of War is not something I'm into I would end up deleting it but I would like to try it out for the first time at least and it would be awesome if it was a free game for PS Plus. Next up is Rocket League this is another one that is for PlayStation Now however I just don't have PlayStation Now at the moment I plan on getting it in the future but Rocket League's been around for a few years to me it makes perfect sense to have it free for PS Plus Now because it is one of those games that are really simple but you had a lot of fun and you could play with your friends that's what really appeals to me it is basically soccer with cars I've already looked up the trophy list for this game there is a lot of trophies that I think are easy to get or somewhat easy to get and the platinum looks like it's something that can be attainable so it is something that interests me this game and I think it honestly makes sense for it to be free for PS Plus and the last game on my list is Uncharted 4 this is PlayStation 4's top selling video game of all time so right there they've already made their money for this game so it wouldn't cost them much if they were to give it out for free for PS Plus it makes sense they've already made their money for the game let people have the game for free for PS Plus it's only free for one month and then see what happens from there they've done this in the past before where they've given out free games that are really popular for me this is a game that really interests me because whenever I first got my PS4 it came with the Uncharted Nathan Drake collection which I recently just started playing and the reason for that is because I really want to play Uncharted 4 but I decided because I still have not played Uncharted 3 before I even play Uncharted 3 which I currently own I want to go back and play the first two Uncharted games and then play the third one and then play the fourth one which looks like it's amazing I basically want to play the games in order so recently I've been playing the first Uncharted game I'm almost finished it then I'm gonna play the second one then I'm gonna play the third one which is the first time I've ever played the third one and then I really want to play Uncharted 4 I know right now as I'm recording this video it's free for PS Plus for limited time but I don't know if I'm gonna complete the first three Uncharted games in order and complete them in time to still be able to play Uncharted 4 and finish Uncharted 4 before it is taken off of PS now so I'm really trying to grind out on on the Uncharted games I really want to finish them as fast as I can but I also want to enjoy the games along the way and I don't want to burn myself out by just playing them because that's going to make me not want to play Uncharted 4 but with that being said if it was free for PS Plus which it makes sense why they would do it then I'd be able to just download it and save it and then once I finished the first three Uncharted games which I currently own at that time I could go and play Uncharted 4 whenever I have time to do so and whenever I've completed the previous ones so these are the games that I feel like Sony and PlayStation really should have for free for PS Plus because they're games that a lot of people like and PlayStation has been doing this over the past couple months of they'll have a couple months of really good games and then they'll have a couple months where they're not so good games or games that not a lot of people are interested in and then they go back to games that are really popular once again so I really hope that these are future PS Plus free games but we shall see comment down below what you would like to see free for PS Plus this coming year or in the future and I'm gonna leave this video here please take care peace


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Would you go right in, please? Mr. Armstrong's office. Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry, but he's in the meeting. Won't you come in? Thank you very much. Thanks, sir. Mr. Armstrong? Yes. It's my partner, Frank Smith. My name's Friday. How do you do? Won't you sit down? Thank you very much. Thank you. Would you like a cigarette? Yes, sir. Thank you. Thanks. I have a lighter. As you know, this firm is probably the foremost fine jewelry store in the coast. Yes, sir. I wonder if you'd tell us about the theft. Yes. Well, we discovered it this morning. About what time was that? About 9.45. That's when we missed it. I guess the necklace was taken about 9. Must have been right after we opened. Could you give us a description of the piece, sir? Yes, I have it right here. Got it from the insurance records. Have a drawing of it. We always have that done on high-priced atoms. Mm-hmm. Here you are. Thank you. What value do you place on the necklace? It's in short for $8,000. The firm can't afford to take a loss like that. Could you tell us exactly how it was taken? Yes, I can. It was just after 9. We just opened the front doors. People had started to come in. Lots of shoppers, Christmas, you know. Yes. Well, this one couple came in. I asked to see some of our more expensive necklaces. Henderson brought the tray out of the safe and showed the collection of the people. Henderson? Yes. He's the clerk who was waiting on the people. Oh. I gave him his notice. I had to. It looks to me like carelessness. I wonder if we could talk to him. Yes, all right. Thank you. Miss Courtney, would you have Henderson sent in here, please? Yes, right away. What? No, tell him I'll call later. That's right. Have him leave the number and I'll call back. Right, yes. He'll be right in. All right, thank you. How long has this Henderson been working here? I'd have to check the employment records to be sure. Offhand, I think it's been about five years. Ever since we opened at this location, we used to have a store downtown and we moved out here. What do you work before then? Well, let me see. I think it was someplace up north. San Francisco, I believe. Yes, he worked in a store up there. Had excellent references. He's a good salesman.  Well, I felt it was the only thing to do. If he's getting careless, he has no business working in a store that deals with expensive merchandise. Mm-hmm. Excuse me. Yes? Send him right in. What? No, please tell him to call later. No, I'm not into anyone. No one but Sharon. My wife. Yes, sir. Come in. Do you want to see me, Mr. Armstrong? Yes, come out in, Henderson. These are police officers. Mr. Friday and Mr. Snip. This is Charles Henderson. How are you? Hi. How are you? They'd like to ask you some questions about the theft. Yes, sir. Anything I can do to help? Could you give us a description of the company you waited on? Yeah, I think so. The man was about 35, maybe 40. About how tall was he? Well, maybe 5'11". It might have been six feet. I'd say you weighed about 155 pounds, something like that. Uh-huh. How about his coloring? His complexion. It was light. It looked like you'd been out in the sun, though. His nose was all sunburned. I don't notice it because you don't often see people with sunburns like at this time of the year, you know, December. Uh-huh. How was he dressed, do you remember? He had a gray hat on, gray chalk stripe suit on, flannel blue shirt, maroon tie. Didn't see his shoes. He had on one of those new round collars, though. You know, rounded here on collar points? Uh-huh. Was he clean-shaven? No. No, he had a little mustache, one of those that looks like it's drawn on with an eyebrow pencil. Just a line, you know the kind. Uh-huh. How about the woman? What'd she look like? There's a small woman, five-to-little, about a hundred pounds. Real pretty. She had dark hair and blue eyes, very fair. I noticed it because I thought at the time that maybe she dyed her hair. Uh-huh. Did she have any marks of scars you saw? No. No, I don't think so, no. How was she dressed?  She looked kind of flashy, cheap, you know. I see. Anything about the way they talked and the acts or anything like that? No. Nothing I can remember. Would you remember if either one of them wore glasses maybe? No. The man, though, he had a kind of funny way of talking. What do you mean?  Uh-huh. Could you tell us what happened, what they said when they came in, how they took the jewels? Yes, uh, they came in right after we opened and asked to see something in necklaces. Said they wanted to pay around 5,000. So I brought out the tray, but didn't find anything that they liked. And then I brought out the other tray. They looked at one of the necklaces, a beautiful thing, 8,500.  Yes, I know the one beautiful thing. Excuse me, can I use that ashtray a minute? Oh, thank you. What if you'd go on, please? Oh, sure. Well, I brought out the other tray and showed them the necklaces in it. We both looked for a long time. Then the woman said that she didn't think there was anything there she wanted. Mm-hmm. What was the matter? Didn't they care for our designs? No, it wasn't that, sir. They just didn't see anything they liked. So they moved back to the other tray. Then the woman said she'd found what she wanted. It was a small piece, three diamonds and four small rubies. Did they buy that? No, they said they wanted to think about it. They made a big thing about asking me if I thought that it would be sold before they could make up their minds. Mm-hmm. Well, I told them if they wanted to put a small deposit on it, we could hold it for them. Yeah. Men said he'd rather not do that. He said they'd know by this afternoon. By that time, there were several people in the store, Christmas shoppers, you know. Mm-hmm. Some of them were looking at a display of bracelets we had on the counter. I went over to them to see if there was anything I could do. You know, tell them that I'd get someone to wait on them. I understand. The foolish thing to do, I know that. I'm afraid it was. Yeah, I know now. Well, when I got back, the couple was leaving. They told me they'd be in this afternoon and let me know. Walked out of the store, and I stopped to help a gentleman that came in. When I turned back to the trays, I noticed that the necklace and the more expensive tray was gone. Mm-hmm. Would you be able to give us positive identification of these people if you ever saw them again? Yes, I'm sure I would. Wonder if you can come downtown with us and look at some pictures to see if you can identify the thieves for us. Of course, if Mr. Armstrong has no objection. Not at all. You'd like me to come along too? I don't think that would be necessary right now. If there's anything we need, we can get in touch with you here, can we? Yes, right here at my home. I can give you that number. All right, fine. Okay. Here it is. Thank you, sir. Well, thanks very much. You ready to go? Yes, sir. I'll get my hat. Just a minute, Anderson. Yes, sir. As soon as you get through down there, come on back. Your job's waiting for you. All right, sir. I'd like to come back. Anything I can do to help, just let me know. All right, Mr. Armstrong. Not at all. I'll get my hat and meet you at the door. Right. Have you notified the insurance company of the theft yet, Armstrong? I have a call into them now. I'm expecting an agent from the firm any minute. I sure hope you can recover it. Yes, sir. We'll do the best we can. An $8,000 necklace. How do you think they'll go about disposing of it? Break it up? Well, either that or leave it in one piece. That'll make it kind of hard to unload, won't it? $8,000? Not at their price. 10.37 a.m. We talked to the other people in the store. From them, we got verifying descriptions of the two thieves. 11.32 a.m. Frank and I took the clerk, Charles Henderson, down to the city hall and had him go through the mugbooks. We got out a local and an APB on the pair of thieves, and a description of the stolen necklace was prepared for the Daily Bulletin. The insurance company that underwrote the necklace got in touch with us and said that they were getting out printed circulars to jewelers throughout the country. The victim was unable to make an identification from the mugbooks. We had the MO of the theft run through the staff's office, but when the possibles were checked out, we had no new leads. Further interrogation of the owners and employees of the stores and the immediate vicinity of Armstrong and Schneider failed to turn up anything new. The theft was not a new one. For the past six weeks, there'd been a series of burglaries taking place out on Wilshire Boulevard. Most of them had been exclusive women's stores or jewelry shops. To date, all of them had been articles of small individual value. None that approached the value of the necklace taken from Armstrong and Schneider. In an attempt to apprehend the thieves, unusual avenues of sale of stolen goods had been checked. None of the precautions apparently did any good, but thefts continued. Another two weeks passed. In that time, the thieves hit three times, all in the same general area. The employees of the victimized stores were questioned. From the information we got from them, we could be certain that the suspects were the same ones we were after. On Tuesday, December 29th, Frank and I got back from checking a lead. Well, there's another one that went no place. Yeah, you want to check the book? Yeah, I'll get it. Anything there? Yeah, the call here from Alex Olson. Olson? Yeah. Got a Dunkirk number. You know Olson? No, that name doesn't mean anything to me. Say what it's about. No. It's just a column. It's important. All right. Give me the number, huh? Yeah. Here you go. What is this, 190? Is that a nine? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's a nine. You don't make nines for anything. It's glopy. Yeah, right. Can I speak to Alex? Oh, Alex Olson? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. A hotel? Yeah. Hello? This Olson? Yeah. This is Fry. Police Department. You want me to call you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Sure, I remember, huh? Yeah, sure. We'd like to talk to you. Yeah. Now, we'll come over there. That's right. You want to give me the address? Just a minute. Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Bye. Olson, he works for that carnival.  He says he wants to see us about some burglaries now. Oh, yeah, I remember. He says he's in with the thieves. 1126 a.m. We drove out to the address Olson had given me on the phone. We talked to the desk clerk at the hotel. He said that Olson had just moved in, and that during the time he'd been there, Olson hadn't talked much to any of the other people in the place. The clerk gave us his room number, and Frank and I went up to talk to him. Where is that? Joe Friday. Just a minute. All right. Olson, this is my partner, Frank Smith. Oh, hello. Yeah, I remember you. Sit down. Thanks. You want a drink? No. Thanks. Oh, I gotta have one. What was it you wanted to talk to us about, Olson? Olson? What was it you wanted to talk to us about? Oh. Um, there ain't no where I really get them. Yeah, now let's get to the point, shall we? What's on your mind? Oh, I'll tell you. I don't know why I drink so much. I feel terrible the next day. I always drink too much. All right, now look, Olson, maybe you got a lot of time. We haven't.  I get to the point. You said in the phone that you were in with a gang of thieves we were looking for. Now what about it? What I told you in the phone was true. It's all true. I'm glad to tell you. Get it over. Get it all out in the open. That's what I need to do. Get it all out in the open. You got any breakfast yet? No, I just got up before I called you. Is there any place around here you can get something to eat? Don't make no difference around here. Nobody knows me. I think there's a place down the street right next to the hotel. But what's all this about food? I think you'll feel better if you have something to eat, won't you? No, wait a minute. If you've had enough of that, put it down. I don't want no food. All right, we do. Let's go.  We want to hear what you've got to say. You keep hitting that bottle and neither one of us is going to make it. Come on, pal. We'll buy us some breakfast. You got a coat? It's cold out. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you guys came. I'm glad to get this off my wrist. Wait a minute. Those dresses in there. Woman's clothes. Oh, no. I'm just keeping them for a friend. The label's on some of them here. Come from Madam Wilshire, don't they? You get a gold star. I'll tell you about them. That's part of the deal. You want to tell us now? Well, look, you made a deal about some coffee. Maybe it'll help me find my hands. Are you going to back out now? All right, let's go. We'll come back. You can come back. Take all the time you want to. Look, the dress is over. I got some other stuff you want to see, too. But come on, let's go. Let's walk down now. Let's not take the elevator. It's too nice. It's a murder. And what's this other stuff you wanted to show us, Olson? The jewelry. I got some of it in the dresser. It's cheap stuff. Nothing worth anything. It's cheap. Where'd you get the clothes and jewelry? Oh, Red asking me to keep them for him. Who? Oh, he's the guy you want. He's the one that's engineering the thefts. He's the one. He's a real crumb, big man. He's the one you want. I'd like to see you get it. How many other people working with him? Three others. You know who they are? Sure, sure. I know the whole story. Start, finish. That's the whole thing. I'll tell you, I'll tell you all about it. Oh, let's go out the sideway. All right. Well, where's this coffee shop? Oh, wait a minute. I'm sure you wouldn't like a belt. No, neither do you. Now, let's go. Okay, you're calling it. The restaurant's right down here. Just a couple of doors. You know where this Red is? Yeah, I'll tell you. He's the one you want. How about the woman that works with him? Oh, that's May. Red's not the guy that goes into the store, though. A fellow that works that part of the operation is his brother-in-law. A guy named Hank. But what's her name? May. Well, it's May. Is she the woman in the team? Yeah. Red wouldn't trust anybody else.  You don't believe it. You just ask Red.  It's the place. Yeah. Uh, you're positive. No, I guess you wouldn't. A booth in the back, all right? Yeah. Hey, Joe, it doesn't look like they got service in the booths. What do you want, Olson? Well, it ain't what I want, but I'll settle for a cup of coffee. Joe, that's all right for me. I'll get it and bring it back.  All right. Sit down. All right, now, suppose you start right at the beginning and tell me about it, huh? Who's Red? How do they work the operation? Where can we find him? Tell us everything. All right. Well, first off, Red's real name is Keith Jameson. They call him Red because he's got red hair, figures. Yeah. What's he do for a living? He works for Carney. Most of the year, we're on the road. That's the off-season. So he's laying up in a trailer camp out in the valley. He doesn't do anything regular. He's a steal. Is he one of the owners of this carnival? No, he runs a pitch game. You know, rings and the pigs, if you play real good, you can win a quarters with a slump of five bucks. How about his wife? She travel with the show? Yeah, yeah, she travels. It ain't a regular show. Not Red's party. He's just got a concession. You know, he goes to the show like a leech. He's been thrown out of a dozen Carnies for crooked stuff. His brother-in-law's a dip when we're on the road. Picks pockets in the crowd around Red's place. He's got us all in a lot of trouble. No Carney in the country will have us around anymore. Don't take him long to get wise to it. He's the one that's in on the burglar. He's with Red and his wife, is that it? That's right. He lists his stuff. How about his wife? Where's she fit in? Well, she's the distraction. You know, the one that comes up and asks questions, pulls the clerk away, so Hank can lift his stuff. In case there's any trouble, Hank acts as lumber, too. What do you mean lumber? Well, you know, muscle. He takes care of the guys at the beef. Hey, leave me out with that, all right? Yeah, here. Look at my thumb. Stuff splashed on. Think it's splisted? No, it's good hot coffee in there. Hey, Arles. Oh, thanks. Come on, pass the sugar away. Yeah, here you go. Where do you fit into this, Olson? No place, really. I'm just along for the ride. I think Red figures sometime the axe is going to fall, and he wants my head under it. I usually hold on to the stolen stuff until Red finds a buyer. Does he use a fence? No, he pushes his stuff himself. He usually works on a tip.  Uh-huh. You wanting to cooperate with us all along the line on this thing? Sure, sure. I'll go along with you. You know where the necklace is that they lifted a couple of weeks ago? Yeah, yeah. Red's got it. He's looking for a buyer now. You think you can set up a meet for us? Yeah. If you thought you wanted to buy the piece, it could be done. You set up the meet? Sure. Sure. I want to see you get him. Tell me something. How are you going to come out on this if we pick up Red and the others? What do you want out of it? I got my reasons. I got good reasons. You want to tell us what they are? Sure, I got no reason not to. Give me the sugar again, then. Yeah. You see, Red figures is going to make a sideshow character out of me next season. I'm not going to go that route. Yeah? What do you mean? Oh, you know, the wild man from Borneo is sitting in a pit all day and yelling at the customers. Pitch like that always draws a big crowd. Red figures it'll be good for picking pockets. Yeah. I don't know, by now Red's out of his mind. Yeah. Wild man from Borneo. Even a leopard skin won't help look at me. Only weigh 105 pounds. You are listening to Dragnet, the authentic story of your police force in action. Chesterfield is best for you. Listen to Chesterfield's record. For a full year and two months, a doctor has been making regular examinations of a group of Chesterfield smokers, and he reports no adverse effects to the nose, throat, and sinuses from smoking Chesterfields. Don't you want to try a cigarette with a record like this? Chesterfield. First, with premium quality in both regular and king sides. Chesterfield. First choice with Young America, and that's from a survey of 274 colleges and universities. Try Chesterfields today. Remember, Chesterfield is America's best cigarette buy. 224 p.m. We continue to talk to Alex Olson. He told us what he knew of the operation of the thieves. We went back to his room and searched it thoroughly. We found several pieces of cheap costume jewelry and several of the stolen dresses. Most of the other things in his room were worthless, as far as we knew had not been stolen. We took him down to the city hall and had him checked through R&I. He had an arrest record showing several arrests for being drunk in a public place. We checked the name Keith Red Jamison through the files. There was no record on him. There was no record in the moniker file either. Jamison's brother-in-law and the two women were also checked out, but we found no previous criminal record for either of them. Communications were gotten off to Washington to check the possibility that the suspects might have records in other states. 4.40 p.m. We met in Captain Wisdom's office. Olson told us that he'd arrange a meeting for us with Red. While we listened on an extension phone, he called the suspect and told him that he had a buyer for the necklace. A meet was set up for the following morning at the entrance to Alvera Street. Red said that he'd have the necklace with him at the time. 5.37 p.m. Frank Olson and I drove out to the trailer camp in the valley. We checked the trailer that Red lived in and also the one his brother-in-law had. We got a good look at the car Red would drive to the meet and then we arranged for a stake out on the trailer park. 8.23 p.m. The three of us drove back down to the city hall.  We hadn't got around to that yet. Why? Well, you're doing it's gonna point straight at me.   I don't want that. I gotta be protected. We'll take care of you, don't worry about it. No big deal. You'll take care of me. Well, how? That's what I wanna know. How are you gonna do it? We'll get him before he gets to the meet. There you go in here. Look, tell me. How are you gonna work it? We'll come up with a way.  I'll tell you that right now. He'll spot you a mile away. He comes to cops.  You can't get anywhere near him in those clothes. Don't worry. We won't. He'll be picked up for something else. We'll find a necklace on him if he's got it and he'll never know that's what we're after. How are you gonna work it? How? We'll be in uniform in the traffic car coming in from the valley. That might work, huh, Frank? Yeah, I think so. It's bound to make a mistake when he does. We'll be there. Yeah, that'll do it. You'll never figure out anything to do with that, never. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah, that'll work good. Yeah. Um, you guys wouldn't like it? No, we wouldn't. No booze. Okay. I just noticed the bar across the street. I thought maybe you guys would like to stop there. I'd feel a little better about this if I had a drink. Just a little one. Come on now, bud. Sorry, Alex. I'm gonna take you over to the main jail. You got a what? The time being we gotta hold you. Well, it ain't the jail that bothers me. Not being in jail. It's just that I hear it's pretty rough to get a drink over at the Gray Bar Hotel.  There's no room service there. Yeah, well, it'll all work out for you. I don't know. So I got mixed up in this thing. Seems like I got no choice in anything. It don't seem fair. I got no choice. DA's office will know what you did. It'll be marked down that way. Well, I got no beef with you guys. You better take it easy with the red, though. Is that right? Yeah. Where's the gun? The following morning at 4.30 a.m., Frank and I were dressed in the uniform of traffic officers. We were parked two blocks from the trailer park in a traffic car. The meet with Red was scheduled for 9 a.m. The officers on stake out at the trailer park told us that they'd seen no activity in Red's trailer the night before. From where we were parked, we could keep his car under constant surveillance. At 7.45 a.m., we saw the suspect and his wife come out of the trailer and get into the car. We followed them over to Ventura Boulevard and from there, down Cohinga Pass. We kept far enough behind them so that they'd have less chance of knowing that they were being followed. They turned by the freeway construction point and continued on down Cohinga Boulevard. When they got to the corner of Yucca and Cohinga, they made a mistake. They turned left from the wrong lane of traffic. Well, that's it. You want to hit the siren? Yeah. I got the light. Going straight down. You have to, Joe. Yeah. Pull up behind him, huh? Right. He's pulling over. I'll cover the other side. Watch yourself. Right. What's wrong, officer? I didn't do anything. See your operator's license, please. Sure. It's in my pocket. I'll get it. You want to get out of the car, please? Well, I don't have to get out to show you my driver's license. I'd like to have you get out of the car. Don't argue with him, Rad. Do what he says. What's all this about, anyway? What do you stop me for? You made an illegal left turn back here at Cohinga. Illegal? Oh, you got the wrong guy.  He jumped the light something awful. He's the guy you ought to be after. He's the one, not me. All right, move over to the car. What? Over to the car and I'll put your hands up there. Now, against the car. I don't know what you mean. Now, Jameson, you know what we mean? Jameson, on your feet. What are you doing? You got no right to beat him up like that. Big things are making a left turn. You guys trying to prove. Just wait until the papers get this. We got friends, you know? All right, lady. Take it easy. I won't take it easy.  You got no right to treat a citizen like that. Here, Frank, hold this. Yeah. 38 corks.   What's this, Rad? You leave that alone. That's mine. Doesn't concern you. Neckless, Joe? Yeah. Neckless, what's that prove? You got nothing on us. Write out the ticket for the left turn. Let us go. That's all you got. You got a permit for this gun? No. Neckless is stolen. You know that. I don't know anything about it. I'm not going to say anything until I see a lawyer. Nothing. I knew this would happen. Always knew it about you. You're yellow. You want to take a chance as long as you ain't going to be nailed. So let something go wrong and right away you start screaming for a lawyer. Poor excuse for a man. You took a chance and you're lost.  You got no excuse. None in the world. You got no excuse at all. Not even, lady. Neither of you. The story you have just heard is true. The names were changed to protect the innocent. 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