Okay. All right, so the recording has started. All right, welcome to a very regular edition of the Hyperledger Technical Steering Committee. Everybody is welcome at this meeting and our other working group meetings, and likewise welcome to contribute code. And if anybody's uncertain how to act in any of these settings, you can reference our code of conduct, which is available on the Hyperledger website. Today we've got a, I think a relatively light schedule. We've got an update from Indy first off. And then after that, we've got a continuation of the discussion on the supply chain project proposal. And then a couple updates that I think Tracy has here on some scheduling things and event reminders. Tracy, if you wanna hit those. Okay, sure. So we have some upcoming meetings that we're looking to cancel. Just wanted to bring that up and make sure that everybody was okay with canceling the November 22nd meeting, which is a Thanksgiving holiday in the US as well as the December 20th and 27th for the end of the year holidays. So just wanted to check in, see if there were any objections to that before we actually cancel them from the calendar. I'm fine with those. Do we wanna cancel the one in December when the global forum has a well or do we wanna hold the meeting? Maybe we can all get in a room and switch the one. Good point. We probably don't have any space on the schedule for the meeting. Okay, I can add that to the list as well. It's at 4 p.m. local time. That would be the 13th. If I have my math correct, then December 13th, we would also cancel. Well, I guess it depends what it's up against. I mean, cause it is later in the day there. My distinguished colleague from France said it's 4 p.m. That's right. All right, well, why don't we take it off line? He's bad at it. Oh, I'm French. I'm in Belgium, but I'm French. Why don't we take it offline and then see if there's any wiggle room in the agenda and if TSC members can give maybe some indication over chat of whether they're planning on being in Basel if we've got a quorum there and we've got some time in the schedule, it'd be good to meet face to face. And if not, we'll just, we'll pop that one off the calendar as well. Sounds good. And then just the event reminders that we've had on the agenda, just the APAC hack fest coming up the week of March 4th. We're still working on finalizing those details. And then obviously the Hyperlegical Forum December 12th through the 15th in Basel. All right, well, I think with that, we can jump into the Indie update. I will drop the link into Rocket Chat. And for those unfamiliar, we do usually have a little background chat going in the TSC channel of chat.hyperlegure.org. Okay, and could somebody say again the presenter's name for Indie? It's Sam Kern with the Sovereign Foundation. Hey, Sam. You are welcome to just have people follow along with the link themselves or if you want to present, Tracy can release control and let you present. It's up to you. Yeah, I can share. I'm not going to do a dramatic reading of the entire thing but I want to pull out some highlights. Feel free to use different voices though. I am no Robin Williams, that's for sure. So the full update is here and the link's been posted but I wanted to call out a couple things. We're very happy with our progress. Not with everything in particular but with our overall progress during this period. We have the latest Indie node release rolling out this week. And that's going out now. The BC government is expected to go immediately live with their project so we're pretty excited about that. LibVCX has been contributed by Evernim. This is a verifiable credential library to make it a lot easier to build that on top of the Indie architecture. And then significant work is going into standardizing the agent communication protocol which will help with agent compatibility and all the goals that we have there. So the other thing that I really want to call out is the, well, I'll get there in a second. So yes, anyway, we've had really good involvement recently. Our code base is up to 15,000 commits with 131 unique contributors. Well represented at TPAC and the Hyperledger HackFest and IW or other events that we've been to recently. Lots of interest and good things being received there. Couple of really good things. The BC government in their Von project, the Verifiable Organizations Network has contributed code for a new sub-project under Hyperledger Indie called, that we call Hyperledger Indie Catalyst. And this is a community holder for credentials which helps solve the problem in the supply and demand equation of building supply with otherwise public records anyway. So that's a really interesting project and we're excited about the future of that. The code base being contributed by BCgov is operational and will continue to be tuned and generalized to make it more broadly applicable. This is really useful for any, particularly in government scenarios, but any situation where you have lots of credentials that you wanna make available to a wide group without having to onboard each of those group and each of the suppliers of those individually. So very cool project there and it's been really good to work with them. The other thing that we've been working on is contributing and organizing the work around the Indie Crypto Library. It's been named ERSA and excited about that and the adoption interest and one of our tasks coming up as the work on that library progresses is to now convert all of our projects to use that new shared library. And that's one of the things going on. So issues that we've been addressing and in the progress there, there's been a lot of work around our height, the Hyperledger Indie Project Enhancement documents and the process there. We're still refining that process to try and figure out ways to make it flow a little easier, but it's been sort of a central point for lots of discussions in the community which has been great. And then the coordination calls that we've had between members of different organizations that are contributing has been fantastic. The Indie agents calls particularly active as well as the Indie overlays call dealing with credentials decoration. So really good stuff there. Working on a shared roadmap and bringing members of various organizations into a unified sprint team will continue to help that. We've made a ton of progress in testing Indie Node for scalability and performance. New test tools there that have really let us test this at global scale and we've really had a lot of progress there and feel confident in the scalability that we've been able to demonstrate which is really good. Still more work to do there including some things that we've identified that we can improve. And so that has spawned a ledger 2.0 discussion to sort of round out the scope of the next iteration of that work. It consists of documentation. We haven't made as much progress here as we've hoped and there's a couple of complicated reasons why but we're not giving that one out. In particular, we're focusing on creating both getting started guides and documentation that target various audiences. We have people that are coming into the projects to see what it does and would like a demo. We have people that want to get deep into the development of different components of Indie and producing the right getting started guides and documentation for those various audiences is the current focus on what we're doing there. We have a proof of concept based off of Read the Docs to help organize and make it a little bit easier to publish that documentation there. Learning curve, we've made a lot of progress here but it's not really ready for full publishing and but we should see significant improvement for lowering onboarding very soon. Lots of work in the agent community. The thing to draw out here, there's lots of conversations and things going on which is very good. We have the beginnings of an agent test suite which will allow someone to certify their agent against this Indie agent test suite to verify that the required common levels of functionality are present and working properly. And we're gonna leverage that going forward as we reach a resolution on the protocol discussions and things that we're doing. We haven't made a ton of progress on measuring the size of the community except for the aforementioned in individual contributor counts. We need to begin gathering better analytics and understanding the involvement of the community in different aspects there. So further work that needs to be done there. As far as our build issues, one of the, we've had some challenges synchronizing versions in the various builds mostly because each of the components were building their own copies of the dependent libraries. We're migrating to a plan where each of the builds will use the most recent published library version from the other various projects, which will help synchronize that around. It won't be so dependent on the precise build time but will be locked to those released library versions. And we've had a little bit of struggle there. There's still some of that work that we'd prefer not be directly being done by Evernim that is still because of some of the difficulties there and we're looking to improve that to be able to move off of a different build and continuous infrastructure so that we can make that more consistent in what we're doing. So we've got some details on releases here as well as sort of overall activity and then current plans. There's lots of work around agents. That's a lot less mature than the indie node work is. So there's a lot of stuff that you'll hear but mostly it's because we're trying to figure some of that initial stuff out and an indie node has reached a higher level of stability of course because of that. The overall activity doesn't really represent in our report the amount of effort that's gone into each one the indie node has received an incredible amount of effort but lots of progress in the indie agent world which has been really encouraging actually. I wanna call out, we have a Linux Foundation intern Kuzma that has contributed significant contributions to our ongoing work with reference agents. And yeah, we have some more details in here including links to some of the work that BCGov has been doing and Brigham Young University as well and their ongoing work in the community. But that's my summary. If anyone has any questions I will do my best to provide a first and intelligent answer. Hey, thanks for that update, Sam. I think you guys might win the award for most detailed quarterly reports. I appreciate having all that right up in there. I should mention that the creation of this report was not all my work. I was just voted to present. So there's others inside the Southern Foundation that puts significant work towards the report. Great. I wanted to comment as well that I thought it was very thorough and you set the bar for other projects now which I guess could be a good thing or a bad thing. I did have a question. I chaired a performance and scale working group. So I know personally I would be interested in learning more about the performance side of what you were doing and scalability tests. I don't know if some of that ties back into the testnet discussions we've had in the past as well. And so rather than dive into it here I didn't know if you want to come to a performance or have someone from the team come to a performance and scale working group meeting. There are Tuesdays at 9 a.m. Eastern time. I don't know if that works for anybody or I mean, if people want to get into it here we can but I'll leave that up to Dan to decide. This is, I'm Richard Esplan. I'm a product manager at Evernim and it was my team that was doing the performance and scalability work. And we can have somebody join that. We wrote a number of low testing scripts and it took a while to get scripts that could drive the system as hard as we wanted it. And then we've tuned that. We post our sprint demos on YouTube every two weeks and the last four sprints have had some section where we've reviewed the results and how we got there. So if you're interested that's a good place and I can share that information with you if you want Mark. Thanks, that would be great. Thanks Richard. Tuesday at 9 a.m. Eastern. I can have a representative attend the next one if you'd like. Yeah, I think as we're trying to define work loads and things this would be great to learn from your experiences. And that I think leads for me to a question. You mentioned sprints just now and a little earlier you talked about having separate teams and trying to get them into the same sprint. I wonder if you could say a little bit more on that with just a little bit of more context here that I think is across different projects. I've seen projects try to maintain a single sprint across all contributors and also just have completely independent sprints from separate teams all contributing sort of asynchronously. That's a challenge for all the obvious reasons but it's been difficult in the community to sort of line up work that is dependent on other things. So when we're developing a piece and there's someone's agreed to take on a chunk of work, misalignment of schedules can sometimes delay the future, the work that depends on that by more than just a couple of days, sometimes it's weeks before one sprint finishes and the next one begins. And it draws out the development process. And so that's made it hard. And I doubt we're gonna be able to get to a perfect level of sprint mastery here. But the goal there is to, with some better community planning and goals to be able to make the dependencies a little bit more obvious and that way teams might be able to make minor adjustments if they can in order to fit sort of an overall sprint schedule work. We know that we're not gonna be able to perfectly align with all the contributors but we're hoping that better visibility into the overall plan. And so that people understand what types of work are depending on the pieces they're working on will help coordinate that a little bit better. Mostly it's a speed issue and helping to very clearly know where we are without having a whole lot of unknowns up in the air as we're trying to make plans. Most of the many of the maintainers for the SDK and Andy Noter on the Evernim team at the moment and we're trying to broaden that group so that there's more variability in the cadence but the challenge is that then we've gotta own that code and fix all the bugs to support it. So we're trying to show out the right way to do that. We've tried various models. One is to invite people who we know are implementing something specific into a sprint with us. That happens fairly rarely because people, there's not as many, other organizations aren't dedicating resources over long-term quite the same way we're hoping to change that. But the other approach we've had is accepting pull requests where if it's easy we just work it into the current sprint but if it's a large pull request provides a lot of review we need to get back to them and say we're gonna have to schedule this into the next sprint and that's been something we've struggled with. The Indie agent repository where most that new development is happening, a lot of the new emerging standards, that's actually got maintainers in both British Columbia and Brigham Young University. And it's been fun to see their collaboration together as they've tried to work to get, tried to coordinate across the organization on getting the work done. And they've done some great work but they're both sprinting separately. One's got more of a bigger team than the other and so they're running at different cadences. Everonym is discussed moving to a flow model similar to Kanban in order to not be so rigid on sprinting and be more responsive to the community. Something we're experimenting with on some of our smaller teams and if it works out well we'll probably move that to our Indie team in order to achieve, make that easier. Like Sam said, to reduce that time it takes to be responsive so it's not on strict sprint boundaries. Okay, thanks. That's interesting for all of us operating on different projects with broad and separate teams. Yeah and if you see things that are working we'd love to hear the best practices. I haven't seen, every open source project seems to struggle with this based on where they are in maturity. I know the Southern Foundations looked at encouraging organizations to sponsor developers and if we can get enough organizations to do that then maybe we can pull a team in from across organizations to have people working on a common goal. But the scratch your own itch approach that most open source communities follow it can be hard because everybody's got a different itch at a different time and their own priorities and trying to get those to interlock there's a lot of inefficiency. Okay, any other questions for the Indie team? Just a request from the identity working group. Again, similar to what Mark was talking about we need closer involvement. I know that you guys are heads down building but we would like more input into the document and especially since Indie is the premier identity management system and identity handling system in Hyperledger that would be a great thing to have. Calls every other Wednesday at 12 starting if you start next week then you 12 Eastern. Perfect, we will work to get a representative there. In the ID working group one of the things that we would love to see in the Indie project we have some cross-line organizations like the Diff, the Distributed Identity Foundation that can also participate in some of these things as well. So one of the things that we'd like to do in the future is draw them more into their membership and in the Hyperledger project so that we can coordinate efforts and be able to share stuff there as well. Okay, great. Well, thanks for the update, Sam and others on the Indie team, Richard. Our next item of business here is taking another look at the updated supply chain proposal and if I can flip through all of the too many windows that I have open I can drop that link into chat as well. So it's available, it's also in the agenda. So I guess I'll kind of get the discussion rolling on that. We had feedback two meetings ago from the initial draft of the proposal that largely surrounded scope looking for more detail and then discussion too on where things like application boundaries come in versus platform or framework or SDK or all of the other many words that could be used to describe some of the software. So there's a significant amount of new content in the doc that was posted at the beginning of this week and we had some more follow-up questions and comments from Mick, Hart, Bin and Balois and I think those were all, at least attempted to get addressed before the meeting but with that as a little setup for it, just jump into additional verbal feedback. I guess the main question I had would be, last time we discussed this, is it, you know, I think you've made it clear in the document that this is not an application but there was a question of if we go to the board with this right and see if this is something they wanted or was that am I confused? No, you are not confused. So there is more detail in the document that might not have been apparent from the first reading and I think helps clarify some of that. There's a couple of things that will be going on with the board. One is I expect some communication from the leadership before the next board meeting, clarifying things that might be germane to this proposal and then at the next board meeting, this is an agenda topic, not this project specifically, but the charter so that we have maybe a clear way of understanding that for future proposals and that's about a couple weeks out. Sounds great, thanks. So I'm gonna, I'll go back and just ask my question from last time as well and this has sort of been the focus of most of my comments on the paper on the proposal for it. Can you help me understand where this project ends and where the application begins? When you think about the components, there's lots of nice words like reusable data types and other things like that. How do you see those being constructed in a way that doesn't bleed them into what we consider application space? Yeah, and I think the other proposal contributors are free to chime in here, but the way that I think about it is there's going to be example use cases that inform the design as we do sort of the traditional analysis of what are the data components that are common across these use cases and we look at the applicable standards and so forth that are gonna define what those data structures look like and formats and types and all that. We think about what does an application mean in blockchain? Well, that gets to be a little bit of a philosophical question but one way you could look at it is what's the user surface? So when you've got somebody who's actually trying to transact with the system, they might have a client CLI, they might have a web app that they're interfacing with the system, they might have other backend systems within their company that want to upgrade up with this. And so those things aren't the focus of this project. This project is mostly to help facilitate making those things easier. So if somebody wants to be able to compose a few operations in a supply chain that might say divide up some resource and then re-aggregate that and other components into some new product, those kinds of operations should be clear and straightforward using this set of libraries, set of data types. So, I mean, that's still sounds very generic, right? Maybe a better way to approach this is, Saatu Authority has kind of a sample app that's the trace and tracking with a couple of things related to that. Which of the modules do you expect out of that? Will be part of the platform or which of the modules would you consider sort of sample or demonstration capabilities for this project? I think one concrete example would be the interface for track and trace for the web app of it. We did versions of that that were focused on fisheries and then a more generic one what you could do like airplane park tracking and one of the contributors made the observation that there really wasn't a need to recode those interfaces each time if you had another abstraction. So one of the links that you'll see inside this proposal is to client, let's see if I can find the right words for it. It's the universal client RFC. The RFC is where that universal client is defined but that would be an example of something that's inside this project. This idea of having something that you could easily generate more specific user interfaces with but those specific user interfaces wouldn't be the focus of this project. We might include some as instantiations as examples but those wouldn't be the core goal. More so would be the goal of making it easy to generate those kinds of things. And those changes were put in just late yesterday, right? Cause I haven't, I mean, I looked and saw some of the new links but I haven't had a chance to really review it. So the links went on Monday, yeah. Okay. What is the, again, that seemed to be focused on what's kind of not in. Are you expecting to describe and prescribe data types for things, widgets for components, for composability, for location, for ownership? I mean, but again, I'm just trying to figure out what is if AcmeCorp comes in and uses this, what is it that you're providing and what are they building on it? Clearly the sort of web, you know, the logoed web front end is out of scope. Are they giving you a specification for an asset, for representation of an asset or are you giving it to them? I think you could say that we would give one possible implementation that may conform to existing specifications that they already use in their legacy or current state environments. Like asset definition is something that their PFS systems, if it's like a fixed asset or physical asset that their PFS systems or other types of asset or manufacturing or logistics systems would be managing today. And like there are industry standards for asset frameworks, just as an example, and like implementing those as a protobuf in line with primitive definitions that have also been established as part of this. So like this is how we all agree that we will handle Booleans, for example, would be a service, a potential starting place or as a wholly reusable component in whatever application they are ultimately building. So like defining a data model for asset and then so that everyone who wants to build something that tracks assets in a supply chain doesn't have to rebuild that from scratch, especially if it's grounded in an existing consortium or industry specification is the intent here. I mean, you could like things that I don't know that we're like we're looking at immediately, but we're certainly aware of is like there's a new open data initiative with between Microsoft SAP and I think Adobe, and they're gonna define some core reusable shared data models that are just gonna be open. And so implementing those open data models for things like a customer, just as an example, might be something that could be contributed to a supply chain framework, such that people that wanna deal with customer entities, customer things, customer nouns on a supply chain could just, rather than everyone having to re-implement that, that doesn't make it an application. What that makes it is like an includeable component in whatever app you're building. There are plenty of other industry specs and like the right way to manage the library of conformant nouns will be something that the project will have to consider. So I think another general area, so there was a lot of good specifics in that, but if we think for us what might other projects in Hyperledger wanna be considering, some of the feedback that I heard ahead of this proposal was that when developers come to Hyperledger, there's not a whole lot of individual libraries and reusable components, there's a lot of scaffolding that each of them has to rebuild. I don't think it's too much of an overstatement, but one of the, you know, I think a lot of the experience with coming to one of the platforms is that, all right, there's a very primitive key value pair. You know, that might be instantiating different styles across the different platforms, but there's not a whole lot of higher level data types and models that are already prepared for them. And so this would be, this is one set of areas that would be value provided by this kind of project that here's some scaffolding that you don't have to create when you're going after a supply chain project. It sounds like some of this is sufficiently generic to be useful outside of supply chain when we talk about standards around key value pairs and generic assets, which there definitely is, I think there is a carve out for that within the sort of abstractions that we tend to use when we're working on a blockchain. Yeah, just- That's where that remark leads me, but. Yeah, I don't know if you were reacting to what I was just saying, but what I was saying was that that very most generic key value pair kind of primitive, that's mostly what's available to developers that come to Hyperledger right now. And so this would be an effort to get more scaffolding above that. That makes sense. So as part of the effort of integrating some of the functionality that was part of Composer into Fabric, we're actually going beyond that, right? I mean, we have this notion of transactions and assets that are being developed, but it's all based on, I mean, it's all very generic still, right? It's the define a contract, a transaction, you know, that kind of that level, which is still much lower level than I think what you're talking about. And so I practically speaking, do you guys, can you tell me, I mean, what are the, what are you going to actually produce? I mean, is it just like data format kind of things? Like, you know, what is an asset? What kind of transactions you can have on these assets? And I mean, practically speaking, how do I, you know, if I wanted to use this with Fabric, what do I get really? Yeah, so I think if you wanted to use this with Fabric, there's at least two, actually probably three pieces that come into play. One is the contract libraries will be built at least initially focused on Wasm. I don't know for certain that they would never extend outside of that, but that would be sort of the narrow waste where if Fabric, you understand from talking it, talking with secondhand people speaking with Chris at not this pass hack us, but the one before that there's interest in adopting Wasm interpreter. That would be one place where, you know, if that coupling is there, then you're pretty much good to go. And then the other two things sort of follow from that, that there's the data models, data types, and then potentially this universal client generator. But all of these things, I mean, when you say, even if we implemented a Wasm sheen for Fabric's chain code, I doubt this would be enough to, you know, run whatever a smart contract you guys are developing based on, I don't know what model of chain code or smart contract.  And I don't know how you make that reality. I think that's a very good point. And I think it's definitely relevant to be thinking about Wasm here. I think, I was thinking about this in the context of Borough and one thing that got in my arm with the Ethereum community is they're talking to a subset of, hello, got someone trying to get in? Yeah, I think somebody's got their phone too close to the microphone or something. Oh, right. So, yeah, Ethereum moving over to some form of Wasm, but if you, let's put aside for one moment that we don't have that quite yet, although they've got Saber and Sawtooth. It's interesting here that Fabric's thinking about that. There's two areas where you can imagine putting in a hook for, so there's the layout on within Wasm of certain base structures. There's also, if you look at the way that Wasm integrates with the browser, you get kind of callbacks and you call it a particular address, like a special reserve address. Wasm doesn't make any assumptions about what the layout of the call for that is, but you could imagine, for example, if you had a like packaging function that describes how an asset is packed, you could imagine hooking that in and you could kind of get a collection of sort of supply chain op codes almost, which would be kind of interesting. But I agree that some of this does seem to presuppose that we have a better level of portability between the projects, but it would be nice to have that for sure. Yeah, I think it doesn't necessarily presuppose as much as it helps march us in that direction. These things can be kind of a chicken and the egg problem. So I think that we could look at this project as one way to help move that dialogue forward. Okay, but so then I, you know, I would like to commit it to work on this other than on SOTUS. I'm sorry, could you repeat that? You got air horned. Yeah, I'm sorry. We have some soccer supporters or something in the... I was going to ask, I mean, who is, I mean, who is committing to supporting one more than one platform in this particular project?  And I always have these slides with the Amberida stuff, right? And I talk about all the frameworks. And I say, and then we have this layer of different tools and technologies that are supposed to be platform-independent, framework-independent. And then, you know, when people ask you, you always have to, well, yeah, this only works with fabric. Oh, yeah, this only works with fabric. And this, yeah. So, and I find, you know, this a bit annoying. And I hear you specifically, Dan, I mean, for instance, you quite rightfully, I think, ask people, what are you going to support SOTUS or some other framework? And the reality is we can't force people to do what they don't want to. And I start questioning the approach we have at the TSC level when we endorse these projects that are meant to be platform-independent when they really are not just because even if they could potentially be, in reality, there's nobody who's going to do the work. And you could argue, well, it's a chicken and egg issue, but experience shows that it doesn't really work to put that call before the horse. Unless we have people who say, yeah, I'm actually going to work on making sure they support this other platform too, I don't think we can bet on the fact that is somehow people are going to show up to do the work. Yeah, when I think about that problem, I kind of think from layers underneath with projects like Explorer, when somebody comes to the community, it looks like, all right, here's a tool that is meant by its actual charter and so forth to support all of the platforms and represented that way. I think a different view of that is what's happened with Burrow where sawtooth contributors saw value in having this kind of interpreter and everything that it brings with it. It worked pretty readily to integrate that in. Fabric saw that same value in contributors there and looked to bring that in. So one way we could look at the supply chain project is that, hey, this does seem to have value, well, we're gonna find resources to integrate this on or that's just a project that's waffling around out there that's not worth our time. Yeah, but there's a big difference, right? Because Burrow in and of itself can stand, right? And we have similar now, you have integration with Indy and stuff like this, but it's the same. It doesn't have any dependencies and then we can have these integrations, which I'm sure everybody thinks this is a good thing to have. And I definitely want to keep encouraging this. But this is a different beast because, and again, by the way, my opinion on whether this is in scope or not has not changed. I don't think, I just really don't see this in scope at all. I didn't expect us meaning hyperledger to get into that realm at all. But that put aside, it's a different layer, at least we can agree to that, whether it's in scope or not. It sits on top of something else, it cannot stand on its own. So it's very different from the situation described in the report. Okay, I see Vivin's hand raised. Yeah, just want to step back a little bit here. So, you know, first of all, there is this avoidance of the third rail, which is the application concept. Then there is this whole thing about abstractions, data abstractions, other kinds of abstraction, interaction abstractions, which are generic like many people said, including Silas and R&O. So we have the tension between these two approaches, right? I mean, so the point is that, by taking us example project like supply chain, you might stimulate development in all of those different areas and also on stuff that is using those abstractions to create other primitives that may be reused elsewhere, but also building higher and higher up the stack until you have something that could be reused for, I mean, concentrating purely on the supply chain stuff, for example, there are standards around bills of lading, around various documents that are present in supply chain. Those are well-established standards. Now the primitives that operate on those standards, like for example, the atomic elements that operate in those standards may not be as well-specified, but still, so if something is going to be built layer by layer like this and released as separate libraries, then they could be very useful. As to whether it would interoperate with different DLTs, you know, I have to disagree with Arnold that there are, like Caliper, for example, is attempting to do just that, to interoperate with different ledgers and they have already established some methodology for doing that. Maybe we can learn from that.  And it requires like five months of work in order to get anything useful going. So to have things built on top is always a good thing, especially if it's designed with, you know, wider usability in mind, both in terms of the number of DLTs and also in terms of the use cases. That means not just supply chain, something else like a payment system because some of the supply chain stuff, like, you know, trade finance use cases could benefit payments. So there's a lot to be said for all that, but, you know, again, coming back to the resource issue, you have to think deep and hard about all this but I wouldn't stand in the way of something like this getting incubated, even though, you know, people would say, oh, it doesn't map well with the charter, but the charter is written in 2015 and it's now 2018. So maybe the charter itself needs to be revisited. I don't know. Okay, but that's the boss to decide, right? We're only here to implement it, not to redefine it. Oh, that's not true, I don't know. We have a say in it, too. And we've already done that. Things like Explorer, I think, are another example of things that sort of cross that, are sitting at least right on that edge there. So I don't feel badly about having the discussion here in the TSC. I do think that we're conflating a number of different issues here into one discussion and it might be good to pull these apart a little bit. I think issue number one is, what does the charter really say and what are we supposed to do? Thinking about applications, again, you know, personal opinion, I think that thinking about applications that enable broader use of blockchain in this space and the hyper-legislative role in that is an interesting discussion on one we should have. Whether or not they need to sit as projects in the same vein as Fabric and Sawtooth and Rohan and all the others, that's for the board to decide not me. A second issue that's coming up, I think are the very specific details of the proposal. And again, I will say, I'm not comfortable with the level of specificity in the proposal at this point as to, again, I'd have a hard time saying which parts of that proposal are specific to supply chain and which if I just lifted that text up and said some other application domain would continue to be valid. So I have some very specific issues about the details in the proposal that I'm still not comfortable with. The third issue is one that we come back to over and over again, which is we like to claim cross-platform for these sort of component operations, but it's been very difficult to actually realize that in any real sense. And as Arnaud was pointing out, I think we need to kind of go one of two ways on that. One is is we better make sure that there are commitments ahead of time for any of these things to claim to be cross-platform and make sure that the commitments are there before we start or we just drop that requirement. And if we're going to apply that criteria going forward, we need to also apply that criteria looking backwards and make sure that the rest of the projects that claim and were approved with some assumption of cross-platform are actually demonstrating the commitments to do that. So I'd like us if we possibly can to pull these out in the three separate things because pushing them together, it doesn't feel like we're making much progress in getting any clarity on this. So my request is we focus on the specificity of the product of the proposal because a lot of those other things are separate discussions that are much broader than the proposal and we should tee them up for part of our TOC discussions. Okay, so quick reactions to those. I think for your third point, the commitment from this project is to build everything behind the WASM interface. So anything that's implementing WASM, that's sort of the requirement for this project. It's not intended to be anything sawtooth specific or fabric specific or anything like that. It should all be shielded behind that WASM interface. So then why don't we make this proposal about a generic WASM interpreter comparable to the borough EVM capability? Well, it's more than that though because it's also trying to address those supply chain operations. And then to that specificity, I would ask you to do a look at the additional content that was added. There's links and sometimes people eyes glance over that there's links but there's actually some design documents back in this that I would think are at least as specific if not more specific than other proposals we've seen. So yeah, I think there are some useful, having looked at the RFC that clarifies to me a little bit better what this would be about. I like your breakdown there making terms of the different issues. I think that the idea of it being a generic WASM interpreter would not be quite right. I think WASM standards as the structured output of the project in terms of what tech it actually produces is kind of in the right direction. I might suggest that we could look up one higher level. There's some work on a thing called WebIDL which is an IDL, a la proto-buff IDLs that has some ongoing work that can generate WASM which is a fairly low level structure not entirely an interface you'd want for the level of describing supply chain data types, WebIDL like I say it has integration hooks that can be generated, generated code and has some support in I think some interpreters but you can have generic lists and it's just definition language. And I think that perhaps I also agree that we need to hold projects to account or drop the requirement that they are really cross project. I think asking something like this to own future integrations into projects is probably a bit much. I think there needs to be some organic interest from contributors and community of those projects to do the integration. But I would like to see maybe as this is a somewhat trailblazing proposal and project if the output of this was some form of IDL or maybe flesh out what we mean about WASM then that would be a way of meeting in the middle. So it wouldn't be specific to sawtooth and it would produce some data artifacts that other projects could look to to generalize. So for example, WebIDL, it would be possible to potentially generate EVM code from that. It potentially possible to generate other things. So that seems like maybe a nice compromise. Okay, well, thanks. I think that's a good note to end on. We are out of time here. We'll try to assemble some notes out of this discussion and we will hear everybody next Thursday. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Al.


from 16 countries, the newest, the largest, and the fastest planes in the world take off for Liborje, Paris, France. And one, a silver monoplane flies out of history bound for the same destination, the 1967 Paris Air Show. Welcome to Paris and the Paris Air Show. I'm Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Magli on the United States Air Force. It was 40 years ago that Charles Lindbergh thrilled the world when he raised the curtain on aviation's future. Four decades later, an exact replica of the spirit of St. Louis arrived in Paris where this man, this lone eagle, did more than any other individual to give impetus to the public's overwhelming acceptance of the airplane as a new means of transportation. This plane that kindled aviation's growth had a prominent role in the United States exhibit at the Paris Air Show, where the theme at the U.S. Pavilion was the spirit of Lindbergh, and that's what the Paris Air Show is all about, a display of aviation's yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It's hard to put a label on the Paris Air Show. It's a supermarket for airplanes and equipment. It's a flying circus. But whatever else it is, it's a field day for camera fans. Some airplanes go straight up and down. Some even go backwards.   This is the American Phantom, one of the world's most versatile military jets. Where else will you find Russian rockets, U.S. transports, and French and British advanced projects vying for the attention of thousands of visitors from practically every nation on earth? Probably the proudest display of the host country is a full-scale mock-up of the Concorde, the British French supersonic transport. Under the auspices of the United States Department of Commerce, Eastern Airlines exhibited the world's largest jet airliner, the Douglas DC-8 Super 61. Never before seen in Europe, the 61 is capable of carrying more than 250 passengers. It has a normal range of nearly 6,000 miles and a cruising speed of 580 miles per hour. It took Lindbergh 33 and a half hours to cross the Atlantic. With this airplane, flight time is about six. Over, under, around, and behind all of the displays, you'll find kids interested in absolutely everything. Collectors of all the free literature, wide-eyed as ever. What will their kids be doing 40 years from now? Space is well represented here at Paris in 67. One of the most attention-getting space exhibits was this Russian missile. The experts were surprised at the arrangement of the engines, 20 main thrust chambers plus 12 smaller rockets for steering, the booster that put the first man in orbit back in 1961. American space efforts were well represented by an actual Apollo spacecraft, which was recovered after a successful test flight. The U.S. exhibit also contained the most advanced space projects seen at Paris. Two different space gliders or lifting bodies, and probably astronauts of the future will return to Earth in spacecraft much like these. The French space pavilion contained many interesting exhibits on future satellite projects planned by both France and by the European space organization. From Russia, a display of satellites including the 14-tonne proton and the Vostok manned spacecraft. While rockets and satellites make good static displays, unfortunately they can't be demonstrated in an air show, and flying is what the people came to see. So let's see some flying. Here's an interesting plane. It's a supersonic jet, yet it can stop in mid-air and hover like a helicopter. It's the Hawker Harrier, a British plane that points its jet thrust down for take-off and landing and backward for fast forward flight. An American transport plane that tilts its whole wing up or down to get the same effect. And this is a French fire engine that floats on air. Can you remember when helicopters were just a noisy curiosity? Well now, many generations of helicopters have produced a family of versatile and reliable vehicles that are now playing a very important role in aviation history. The Jolly Green Giants in Vietnam are just a good example of how helicopters and their crews have earned the respects of all pilots around the world. Here in 1927, there was no such thing as a helicopter. Today the sky seems to be full of them. The last day of the air show is for the people, the people of Paris and their friends. They come to Lieberge to witness the grand finale of Fashions of the Air. You can actually feel the enthusiasm of these people. They love the air show, and actually they are the most important part of it. The main attraction at the 67 Air Show are the acrobatic teams. Four countries are represented, and this is the absolute zenith in precision formation flying. Now at exactly 1,402 o'clock, everything else will stop and the Thunderbirds will receive the signal to release breaks, and our show will start. About five Gs apiece. They're both way about a thousand pounds right now. The Italian Air Force, a superb nine-man team flying the Fiat G91s. They're called the tri-colored arrows. The colored smoke that they use is red, white, and green, and this is indicative of their national colors. Red arrows from Great Britain's Royal Air Force, flying the Nat Jet trainer. The Navy's Blue Angels are our counterpart under the Defense Department, and they're one of the finest acrobatic teams in the world today. In France, the host team flying the Fugur Magister. It takes men like these, men with spirit, with purpose, and with vision, to show the way to others. In 40 years, we've progressed from one daring man crossing the ocean to an era in which the jetliner is the first choice of hundreds of millions of travelers each year.


arge we I think we would be remiss if we didn't draw on Soichi's expertise as one of the leading energy geopoliticians I think in Asia so I'm going to ask a question and I think Soichi if you were advising the Japanese government which I'm sure you've done before but today what would you say are the most critical things Japan needs to do to get on a sound energy path where if anywhere in your opinion does Russia fit in as a supplier to not only Japan but the rest of the far east how serious do you think the perception is in Japan that China's bellicosity in the south and east China sees really is a serious issue for people concerned about energy geopolitics in Japan Oh, thank you very much for raising very interesting time question first of all if I were asked to give one specific advice to my government which is I think with my personal capacity though is talking need to restart nuclear reactors as many as and as fast as possible this is no question about it because you know it's just easy why is he sorry no it won't go no second to define we had to find the located on the global map is such a no island country without no domestic hydrocarbon reserves we are completely dependent upon gas and our imports even cold today and what if some some sort of contingency takes place area over the Sierra and communication starting from the straight of homes through Malacca states through South China Sea to East Asia anywhere in that something she has happens you know Japan's lifetime really got cut off all this time of course you know it's easy to to you know conceive this identify the percentage of no that's kind of possibility where we have to be prepared for all sorts of cases as and this is questions especially when it comes to the question of cool or import as regards natural gas the story is a little bit different thanks to US shell revolution Japan's expected to import as much as up to about 20 percent of energy from North America by early 2020s and Japan is also interested in our in the making is taking Alaska projects in my personal analysis of projection told up to the end of 2020s by by 23 Japan can still actually increase its import of energy from North America including US and the can combine up to maybe even 30 percent or so and plus we are importing massive amount of energy from Australia so we you know our gravity of energy import is shifting toward positive side but we cannot expect much the same scenario with regard to cool oil we are bound to depend upon the medium eastern oil for many decades to come unless US decides to export massive amount of good oil this is wonderful for us and for everyone else that's and this is very sensitive and story can be different with regard to the question of Russia well first Russia doesn't have extra capacity to export LNG to the world they have only one project in operation in Sahara it takes many more years to build something new and under the current Asian it takes more and more time and as for the recent big deal of you know Sino Russian gas pipeline contract it's just wonderful it stabilizes the region of global supply demand balance of natural gas and basically Japan is very happy about it I think we


this psychic medium Tony Green we are in line for such an amazing show at least that's what they tell me there's so much do you ever have that moment when there's so much in your head and you know you can't say half of it but you really really want to welcome to my world so much I want to talk about on this show that I can't but if you know you know so our pros go out to everybody in Maui and I believe Portland any place there are fires and let me tell you folks that is not only going on in the US that is going on in other countries surprisingly complete shocker to everyone where these fires are the government couldn't acquire the land unless there was a natural disaster if you know you know yeah that's yeah yeah and just you know just I'm kind of that same note every place that these fires are they've had meetings for 15 minute cities just saying folks pay attention to what's going on around us okay now let's get started I will be taking callers today you can call in you can ask questions about life love career finances please have a specific question ready yep a specific question ready or if you want to connect with a loved one on the other side the call in numbers 845 277 913 when I am here every Monday at noon central and every Wednesday at 7 p.m. so I can get people you know all different like people who are available during the day people who are available during the evening second what would normally say second folks oh you can also join in live on YouTube if you would like to join us live on YouTube you can join in on the chat and ask questions there or connect with loved ones there I'm happy to help you with that I will never reach out to you on any form of social media never ever ever ever the healing on tic-tac today is for defeat not your feet like on the bottom of your legs defeat like if you feel defeated so you can go there and get that healing I am going to start the show with a healing today I have not done this in a bit but I was watching tic-tac this weekend and I saw this woman and she said and it was like one of those light bulb moments that's sent me down a weekend spiral of healing and clearing and I want you to join in the spiral of course I do and what she said is this your relationship and I'm paraphrasing she is really good I wish I knew her name but every time I see her somebody has just put her video on their page and she's really good but she said your relationship probably looks like your life the first four or five years of your life so when you were a child in that first four or five years whatever you dealt with at that time that's probably the way your relationships show up and everybody's going right now right for those of us who don't have stable loving partners so if you dealt with instability or abandonment or your mother had too many children and couldn't care for you or your mother was a father whatever whatever they were going through that's how basically your relationship shows up and then that led me down this big huge spiral of you know we say we want love and we show all of this love to people and we give them love and we say you know people can only love you the way you love but what if what if people are loving you the way you were loved that first the way you purse your perception the way that you saw yourself being loved the first four or five years of your life now bear with me here hold on to your pantaloons because if you don't so if the first four or five years of your life it was chaotic or your parents were very busy or it was instability or your parents just didn't know how to love infants or children or toddlers or there were just hella kids running up in that house like my mom had five like like she was a candy making Pez dispenser like in the big like boom boom boom I mean I don't even I think she was pregnant she got pregnant with one while giving birth to the next I don't even know anymore she just like had five on the goal like I have to have them now or I'll never have them like we can't take a breather in between these kids let's get this done I've got a job to do and it's pop and babies out and you know I was number three so she and my older brother well that's a whole book like his early babyhood is a whole book so a lot of her attention went to that and then right after me she was popping my younger brother so yeah there's that so do my partners represent what that probably looked like and do yours I want to hear put it in the comments if you are on YouTube with me put it in the comments put it in the comments is does this ring does this feel true to anybody else does it ring true for you I want to say hi to everybody on YouTube thank you so much for being here Margaret Amy Terry sale MK thank you for being here Rebecca Jay Francis I'm scrolling back up but I'm not gonna I think I have everybody Heather of course have had Heather Heather of course Heather okay I'm gonna give just a couple of songs and the first song is and they were singing I'm gonna give you the song and then I'm gonna give you the version they were giving me it's writers of the storm writers of the stone into this world we're born something something liars cheaters thieves that's the version they kept singing to me like all night last night I was like oh my god and then okay the next song is any are you okay are you okay any are you okay so any are you okay do you need us to call someone for you now the seriously on a serious note the songs can be a song that somebody you loved on the other side somebody on the other side loved you loved you listen to together it could be the answer to a question the next song is living and I apologize and for all of that bad talent there is a such thing as bad talent it goes beyond new talent to bad talent and there it was so living down on there not letting it go down on none none none none none none none none that song I'm sure they they've got it they know the next song is it's my gosh not again it's from that okay somebody is bringing up again that movie in the heat of the night I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I'm just going to let that lay right there, whoever it is for. You can pick it up. You can pick it up. Yes, heat of the night with our team hunker.  Okay, they're going into movies. And the next movie is that movie with Crockett and Tubbs. Were Crockett and Tubbs in a movie? I feel like they were. I feel like it was that movie that everybody says is a Christmas movie. But it's not a Christmas movie. Is that called Die Hard? Oh, Crockett and Tubbs were in Miami Vice. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Jay Francis. Thank you, thank you. Hey, Frankie, welcome to the show. Okay, and then Die Hard with, I think it's Mel Gibson and that, I don't know the other guy's name. So that movie too. Okay, now I'm gonna give you names of people. This could be your name, it could be their name. It is what it is. If you hear a name and the first name is Paul. Pauline, Paulette, whatever that is, any version of Paul, apparently. The next name is, I didn't even have time to go and give the whole explanation. So I will do that afterwards. The next name is Jennifer. And the next name is, Jimmy, and then the next name is Jerome. And then the next name is Todd. And then we have a Tim. Oh, the boys are coming in today, folks. We got the men showing up. I just needed a break. So I had to be Guadalupe. They are not playing with me today. Guadalupe. Got a dupe. Okay, I'm sorry. Stop. They're telling me to just say the names, Tony. Okay, Marybeth, Sanchez, which I'm going to guess is the last name. Not a first name. That name is Lillian. That name is not leaving my mouth. So you can just walk on by. Marybeth. And then we have, the next name is, sometimes I can't pronounce the name. So I asked them to spell it. And it's A-Y-A-H-A-Y-A-H-A-S-H-A. A-Y-A-H-A-S-H-A. I'm sorry for whatever I did to your name there. I apologize. The next name is Roberto. I kind of like that. I can never roll my tongue unless I'm saying the name seriously. The next name is Cindy or Cynthia. And the next name is Jewel. J-E-W-E-L. And then we have Jewel. And then we have the, okay. June. And then the next name is David. Okay, we're gonna let the names go now. Okay, you guys. I am gonna get right into the show. I'm so excited to get into the show and be with everybody and start answering questions. So happy. Hey, Ann, welcome to the show. Hey, Lisa, welcome to the show. Lethal weapon. It wasn't I heard it was lethal weapon. I don't know. I'm going to, oh, there's one more thing that's coming through. And it's from that Hunger Games, Burning Fire Hunger Games. I actually really like that series. And it is that song again. I know I've had that song before and it's the song, are you, are you coming to the tree? They say I killed them. That song is coming through. And there was one other song coming through this morning. And I'm trying to think of it because it's not the take me to church song, but if it comes through, I'll let you guys know. Hey, Mimi, welcome to the show. Okay, so I'm going to be going back and forth, taking callers on the call log and then coming back and answering questions in YouTube. If you have a question, please post it in YouTube. I will get to it. I'm going to start with the call log. Please have one question. Please do not put me on the spot and say, can I ask another question? Because there are some, a lot of people waiting for a chance to call in. They don't know to call 15 minutes early. And it's really not fair to them. And I don't wanna seem like I'm mean and tell you no, but I'm going to have to start doing that. So please have one specific question and or one specific connection waiting for one specific connection that you would like to connect to. And again, if you do have a lot of questions or you want something a little bit more private, I do sessions that are private, T-O-N-I-G dot info. All the info is in the description of whatever venue you are watching, unless you're watching literally on TV, like Brood Rangers streaming channels, Roku or WSCS or any of their streaming channels, then the info might not be there. So the web address or the place to get all the info for the private sessions is T-O-N-I-G dot I-N-F-O. Okay, we are going to go to the first caller and the first caller is 510. 510, what's your name and where are you calling from? Tamika, I'm calling from California.  Where are you calling from, love? California. Hey, excellent, Tamika, how can I help you today? Okay, my question is regarding the, when do you see me selling down again? And I've been single, I've been divorced for a while, I'm wondering when will I fiddle down again? Okay, so Tamika, thank you so much for asking that and I'm laughing because when you started talking, I instantly heard the song, I got the spirit in me and I cannot sing that, I cannot sing anything but that song instantly came through and it reminded me that I talked about relationship in the beginning and how we get, how things show up and I forgot to do the healing. So let's do the healing or the clearing and the first clearing we're going to do, Tamika. So please bear with me just for a quick second here, is we bring people into our lives that truly know how to love us, to appropriately love us and I get a no, so let's heal, clear, release that, all that caused it and kept it as healed, cleared, released. I get a no, we're gonna heal, clear, release that. Now here's what I'm gonna say, Tamika, in October, if you are invited to a Halloween costume or Halloween no costume party or any Halloween festivities, please go. I feel like there is a very strong potential for you to meet somebody over some kind of pumpkin something whether it's a pumpkin latte, pumpkin bread or just pumpkin picking, I don't know, not my thing. Anytime in October, if you are- Yeah, not my thing. I know, I know, but sometimes we have to get outside of our normal and when they stay anytime in October and maybe you're just someplace and the other person is having a pumpkin latte, maybe there's a pumpkin outside of the place you're sitting at, I don't know. Anytime in October, you are invited any place- Well, I've only had a bad screen years ago so I don't really celebrate that anymore. Oh, I'm so sorry, love. But here's what I wanna say, it doesn't have to be about the Halloween day itself. Okay, it doesn't have to be that exactly. What I can say to you though, and how I will say this is, they're saying anytime during the month of October, so that opens up all of October to you. Second, just because you don't have kids, it doesn't mean you can't decorate a pumpkin and make some pumpkin seeds or it doesn't mean you can't put a scarecrow on your whatever, I don't know, I'm making things up now. But the thing is, you don't have to ban the whole thing and again, it could be that you're someplace where something else is going on, even if you're not partaking in it. The real gist of this, I will say, is you being open out and about during the month of October. I do feel like the person coming in is a little bit big-boned or stocky, it's not a thin person. Okay, now I'm gonna say. Okay, well, what I'm gonna say to you is be open, there's not only one stocky person in the world, you might also- Yeah, I know, I know, I know.  Okay, thank you so much for calling and I'm going to go back on my YouTube chat. Hi, Tony, this is Karen, I'm the person that asked you twice about my upcoming law case, both times you saw it going in favor, I know that things changed. So as I approach it on September 14th, can you tell me how you see it going? I hear good again. Now, Karen, if you would like to call in, the number is<PHONE_NUMBER>, we can get a little bit more in-depth about, like some of the details of the law case or you could schedule, I don't know. What I'm hearing is it's going to go good, only keep a positive outcome in your mind. And I'll do a clearing for you and anybody else going into court or having a legal issue, this is going to come out in our favor, I get a yes, we're going to strengthen that. Anything stopping or blocking a favorable outcome for us has been cleared, healed, released, I get a yes. We're going to strengthen that, bring in all that good, good heavenly energy. Angels will be fighting there with us and for us on the day we'll be in court, let's make sure of that. And remember folks, everybody has two or three angels with them at all times, but direct them, ask them. And please, when you're talking with your angels, don't say it in a way that is, if you want to, like that's like talking to a lazy employee, like, hey, could you move that box if you want to? Nobody ever wants to move a box, okay? So when you're talking to your angels, say, angels, I need XYZ done, just like that. It's not rude, I know it seems rude to those of us who are hyper-vigilant about being to whatever, it's really not. It's like being the owner of a company and having a deadline and the owner, CEO, managers, they know how to direct and dictate and that's the place you need to be on when you need things done. I need this done, thank you. Say thank you, that'll make you feel better, okay? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. If you are on YouTube and you have a question or just a goofy, goofy comment you'd like to share with the world, please post it in, I'm gonna go to the next caller. I think the next caller is 571, 571, what's your name, where are you calling from? Tony, come from Washington, DC, how are you? I'm good, what's your name, love? Vicky. Vicky, excellent, thank you for calling in. How can I help you today? Oh, please do, I have a full-time job but this is the most chaotic place that I've ever been. Do you see a new opportunity coming by way? Yes, and again, end of September beginning of October which doesn't surprise me given the fact that we are nearing the end of August. I feel like throughout the month of September you are really gonna boots on the ground, be sending stuff out. I feel like you're going to find something mid, wait, let me get this correctly. Is she gonna find it in September? No, October. Okay, in September you're gonna be sending a ton of stuff out, send it out. Send out to everybody, send it out. I'm doing as we speak, yes I am. Excellent, make sure you're sending it out private so they know not to connect with your current company. In October, mid-October you are going to find your new position. I feel like though that doesn't mean stop looking now, I feel like you might send something out in September but it doesn't get addressed until October. Whatever it is, I feel like, and I feel like there may be a remote or a travel aspect to this, okay? Whatever it is that you decide to do there may be some kind of remote or travel side to it. I hope that makes sense to you and I hope that that helps you a great deal but I do feel like in October something brand new is gonna come in. It is not going to be as chaotic, it is not going to be as intense is the word I'm getting. It's not going to be as intense at all, okay love? Okay, awesome, thank you so much. I appreciate it, have a good day, thank you. You too and absolutely my pleasure, absolutely. I am, yeah, oh Sal, okay so Sal has a question and it's a statement he's making and I am going to address this although this is one of the things in my head that I was not going to address and before I say what I'm about to say I'm going to say this, just say no. As much as we are capable of doing it the answer will be no non-compliance. Now I'm going to address Sal's question. Hi, Tony, I'm hearing chatter about another lockdown, what do you see? I see that there are going to be a number of attempts, they are going to start making federal employees wear masks again from what I heard and this is not intuitive from what I heard they're going to try to implement the masks again that's the start. They're going to bring this in slow and steady because of course next year is what, the elections and the only way they can get the ballots they need, I have to be so correct, if you know, you know is with mail in and I'm going to say this, I'm just going to say this, I have said this for so long I am going to say it again we need to implement fingerprint voting. Just please carry little fingerprint things in their cars. Everybody has their own individual, oh my throat is going groggy, I might be overstepping here folks. Everybody has a unique fingerprint, everybody's fingerprint can be uploaded, you put your fingerprint in, you get your ballot, if nobody has used your fingerprint so far, you're golden. Now, think of all the people who would not even show up to vote if we had fingerprint voting. It's so simple but they can't win that way and they can't cheat that way, just saying, just saying. I think they're going to try, as it sits right now it will not be successful because we've done a full round of this and everybody saw how it turned out. I don't think as many people will partake but I do think that isn't going to stop them, they may give it the old college try, okay? That is what I'm getting on that Sal, thank you so much for asking. And again, just say no to as much as you can and allow yourself to be in that space where you are in, you're standing in your integrity and what you believe in not allowing for certain things. That's the best way I can say that. Hey, Lainey, I think you pronounce your name Lainey, L-A-Y-N-E, Hazel, I'm just gonna call you Hazel because I love that. Welcome to the show, Lisa, welcome to the show. Okay, I'm going to go to the next caller and I think Lisa, you are the next caller because you have 831 up and Lisa I'm pretty sure you are next. And here we go, 831, 831, what's your name and where are you calling from? Yes, that is me, so my question today is I am considering going, I've been taking care of my mother in hospice and I'm really finding a love for this disciplinary and was going to continue my education. Can you see that? I should. Okay, so Lisa, where are you located, Lisa? Shanta Cruz, California. Excellent, excellent, thank you so much. I just like to know where people are calling from plus then I can feel your energy a little bit more. I can feel the energy just a little bit more. It's an odd thing for me. What I'm getting, Lisa is, and if I'm getting it correctly, you wanna know if you should go back to school. Is that correct? Is that your question? Sure, and yes. Okay, perfect. In the next semester, okay, so here's what I'm getting. I'm gonna ask you one more question and I'm sorry because I know what I'm seeing, but I'm going to ask you something weird. What are you thinking of going back to school for? I'm so sorry, love. No, that's an advanced degree and I'm a vocational nurse now and considering becoming an RN, but I'm looking at hospice as a disciplinary or specialty. Okay, here's what I'm getting and I'm going to say it to you exactly how I'm hearing it and you can do what you really want with this. What I'm getting is you don't need to, but if it makes you feel good or this is what you want, you should do it. Don't do it only with the idea of this one vision. Also have other outcomes that are possible from this. Keep it like a lot of options. Like if I go for an RN, I can do this, but I can also do this, this, this, this, okay? So have a lot of options because I think if you go for this, you're going to want to change the way it looks at the end. Now, let me try to help explain this a little bit better. You might start, you might start a whole organization that is a different type of hospice. Okay. So I know- No, I completely understand. Oh, thank goodness. So here's what I'm going to say to you. I want you to go back with the idea, not only that this is what you can do, but I want you to keep it very open to you being able to start a whole new way or your own either and or. It could be one of these. It could be all of these combined. A whole new way and or whole new type of organization with hospice.  I need you to get this nonprofit, like in a minute, in a minute. Don't start singing spirit. I'm doing so good here. I need you to get it too sweet.  One of my favorite movies. Oh my gosh, I love it. Use this nonprofit also to get grants and funding for you're furthering your education and then grants and funding to figure out how you want to do this organization. Now I'm going to say, even if it ends up not being for hospice, it might have a hospice element but it's going to have these other elements. And I want you to be in a place where you have all the options, okay? So please make sure you are doing the nonprofit, using the nonprofit for federal and state grants for women, for healthcare, for hospice, for education, for whatever it is. And then also, and it's going to take some work, it is. There's a lot of paperwork, but whatever it is what it is. And then keep a very open general, don't pinpoint it, even when filling out the paperwork. Don't pinpoint it down to this one thing, keep it more open in general so that you have options available all the way through. And that's what they have for you, thank you so much. Yeah, too less is what I am ultimately moving forward. Ooh, okay, I hope that that is helpful for you. You are on the right road. It is going to change a little bit as you go through it. I want you to know that it might look this way as you start, but it's going to look, it might change how you want it to operate and or look may change as you move forward, okay, love? Completely understood. Watching my mother through hospice at this time, I've learned a lot and I'm moving towards death doulas like in birth doulas, but with death doulas. So you've hit upon a lot of points for me, thank you. Then thank you so much for that confirmation and them, they're confirming for you and thank you for confirming for me. You're on the right track, stick with it. Kind of keep your, some of your, keep your proprietary information or what you're going to do that hasn't been done before, keep it personal until it's public, until it's up and running, okay? No problem, thank you. And I will say this very quickly, somebody who might already be in a position to take that, believe me, people are always soupin' and soup it up is the way I'll say that, okay, love? I understand, thank you again. You are so welcome, thank you for calling in. Remember everybody, I'm here every Monday at noon central and every Wednesday at 7 p.m. central. If you don't get through today, please do come back. I will try to get to your question and or on the phone or in YouTube. And if you do have a bit of a situation or you wanna keep the content a little bit more private and not have it on TV, radio and every podcast, you can book a private session with me via my website, t-o-n-i-g dot i-n-f-o. If you would like to call in and ask a question or connect with a loved one, and there's a loved one here named Herman, H-E-R-M-A-N. And yeah, and if you would like to call in the numbers<PHONE_NUMBER>, we still have some time left in the show, which means we're going to continue to take questions because I love it and I love it. I don't even like that song, but they keep bringing it through to me. Okay, so Anne wants to know any message from my cousin, TJ. And it's a very quick and simple and easy message. It starts with, I love you, but stop procrastinating.  Heather, I wanna give you your song of the day because I didn't give you a song. And I feel like every time I come on, Heather gets a song and actually, Heather, I'm trying to get this song out of my head so I can make sure it is your actual song. What's Heather's song for the day? La, la, la, la, bamba. I can't even, I don't even, even if they gave me the next words, I couldn't even, I couldn't even, Heather, la, bamba, la, la, la, bamba. And I know what it sounds like next, but I can't say what it sounds like next. So I'm sorry, Heather, I'm gonna go to 860860. What's your name and where are you calling from? Hi, this is Amla from Connecticut. How are you, Tony? I'm good, Amla. How are you? I'm good. So I'm just gonna get to the question. I know you have other colors, but so there's a lot of shifting. I've been meeting a few people and it just did its own thing and I'm elevating, I'm ascending and I just, it's interesting. I just don't know what spirit has in store for me. It just like, well, I'm going one way and then all of a sudden it's another way and it's good. But I'm just wondering when do you feel I'm meeting the committed person? Okay, so Amla, one of the things I'm getting for you and for whatever this is worth for you, there's a couple different elements to this and I don't know how much of it is attached to the rest of it. So I'm gonna give you two or three things and then I'm going to explain my comment. The first thing is there are organizations that you should start doing activities with and those organizations are organizations that are in alignment with what you're going through, like losing vision impaired, thank you spirit, vision impaired where they set up events and meets and get togethers. And I feel like there may be somebody within one of those organizations that you may have the opportunity to be committed to. But the other thing I'm hearing is keep just getting out there not only with those organizations but with other organizations and doing things that call your heart because the right person will be there and will be in a space for you. Now, the one thing I'm hearing for you is timing is everything. And you know what? I'm going to, we get, sometimes, sometimes and I'm like, I hope you heard like near the beginning of the show. Sometimes we get what we want but sometimes we get what we need and other times we get what we're afraid of. So what, yeah, so that could mean so many things like when we're talking about a partner and if we have a fear in our life that we have it resolved and it may not even have to do with the partner but we have this impending doom or this big fear of either finances or health or abuse, whatever it is another narc because we have tons of narcissist in our family and we don't want to date whatever it is whatever this fear is that sometimes we'll get that just so that we can see that we're strong enough to say no to that and then move on to the next thing. I'm like, I feel like there are going to be three to four people coming into your life that are all potential partners but not all of them are, of course, keepers. Two of them are gonna be poo-pooed right away because they're gonna be like no show, no call, no bueno, whatever that means but then there's going to be the next one and it's possible that there are and here's the thing, because I apparently am not being allowed to finish a sentence. The other thing that I'm getting is sometimes you have to start saying no you have to be the one to shut it down sometimes it can't always be or shouldn't always be the other person shutting it down and you don't need like, okay, so this is another spiral moment I had this weekend why did it have to go to this point? Why the first infraction wasn't enough? So when we're in a relationship and when we're in a business setting in a business setting, if this happens we're like, no, done, over, boom, see you. So like when you take your book, Amla and somebody tries to cross that line or doesn't show up the way they're supposed to you're like, uh-uh, no way but when it comes to our personal lives and how we allow people that's exactly what happened how we allow people to treat us and Amla, I will unmute you I just want to get through this not only for you, but for anybody else listening but when it comes to our personal life how we allow people to treat us we let them cross the line and cross the line and we make excuses for them but in the business world if we own a business or we're a manager we would never let employees walk over us like that we would say, okay, here's the rules follow the rules or you're gonna be looking for a new job you're gonna be out on your butt you're not gonna abuse my business you're not gonna abuse my book you're not gonna abuse us and we can easily say no to stand up for our product our job or whatever or if your boss tries to put a ton of work on you like, no, that's not mine whatever it is in a work environment we, most of us, some of us can have the ability to say, no, this isn't acceptable but when it comes to our private life we let people trample on us like we are oceanfront property and it is spring, mother, frickin' break, okay we allow people to come in and set up and go out and use and abuse and we don't hold them accountable and then they walk away and we're like but I was so good to them but I did everything for them yeah, that's called, you know allowing people to use you and why did you, men, women don't respect the person that does the most for them and the best for them they start to lose respect because they personally feel in those cases that that person might not be respecting themselves that they're a pushover that they're doing all this stuff for the other person and that's not the case the people do it out of genuine love but again, are both people loving on the same level now, the first thing that a person does that crosses that boundary should be the last thing and the last time they do that it doesn't need to get to that point where you're trying to collect evidence and prove that you're right the fact that you feel it is all you need and you don't need anything to back it up or justify it if it doesn't feel right, walk it just doesn't feel right you don't, you're not five stealing a cookie from the freaking cookie jar if you're in a situation that doesn't feel right it just doesn't feel right walk, go, get out and don't wait until there are months and years or whatever if it, because I will tell you this from personal experience and everybody I know if it didn't feel right in the beginning it didn't get better later on but if you didn't call it in the beginning or they didn't change once you called it it just kept going in that way it just kept going in that direction and you just kept ending up repeating that cycle and then here you are today going I just don't understand this so sometimes we have to be the person that says no and moves on sometimes we have to be the person that ends it and it's really difficult sometimes for us to end it because we have that never ending hope and belief that if only it were like this or like that and the truth of the matter is if it could be like that it would be like that there's somebody that's already perfect for you you don't need to excuse and accept what is not okay Amla I'm gonna come back to you now okay I hope that was helpful Amla excellent excellent and moving forward it's good for you to say no until it's a good solid practical yes okay sweetie yes yes thank you thank you so much love for calling in I hope this was helpful and I cannot wait to talk with you again remember I'm even here in the evenings Wednesday at 7 p.m. central time so if you need to call back wanna call back please don't hesitate okay I don't want and Amla it's time for you to if you haven't already started your next book it is time for you to do that okay sweetie okay I'm I can't hear you it's very muffled I'm going to let me check something okay I think I have time for one more I'm gonna go to 914 and 914 what's your name and where are you calling from hey Catherine how are you I'm good how can I help you today love I so I hear yes yes no yes yes no yes yes no so two yeses and a no sweetie when are you thinking of traveling September early October as long as you keep it within that timeline you should be okay make sure that your destination is cleared is what I'm hearing I don't know really what that I think I know what that means I wanna go to Italy yeah you're going to Italy yeah I was thinking you know in Italy I just didn't know if I wanted to go to Rome or Sicily or maybe that's such a tough choice oh my gosh I would take either in a heartbeat okay what I'm getting is the sooner you go the better and then also to make sure that where you're going make sure that it is a little bit I just wanna say cleared and good for the travel the way you want to travel okay love and I also wanted to let you know that I I danced to that song you were saying but Annie are you okay the new criminal song all the time so I thought that was for me I love that own it claim it keep it it's your sweetie I love that I love it I love it thank you so much for confirming that for me thank you thank you I love that I love you you are welcome you are so welcome sweetie I'm so grateful that you called in and please have safe fun travels have such safe fun travels okay everybody I wanna remind you I'm here every Monday at noon central and I'm back every Wednesday at 7 p.m. central I do an hour show both times I try to I try to get in an hour each time I take callers on the call line which is<PHONE_NUMBER> and I also answer questions in the chat if you wanna know when I'm coming on hit the button whatever button you're listening on so you can join the show live and I can get to you answer your question help you connect with loved ones I do have a couple more loved ones here that want to say hi before we go and I also am hoping I have times to do where we're gonna meet so where we're gonna meet is a new segment of the show where possibilities of where somebody who's listening might meet a potential partner and the first thing I wanna say I do see a couple of business opportunities for people who are thinking about opening a business and one of them has to do with food and a chef and this is a stand like an actual restaurant but not a big restaurant it's like a how do I describe this?  Is it four couples? I don't know but I see four people meeting and having relationships that start in Vegas. The next thing I'm getting is there's a Gabrielle on the other side, Gabrielle and then there's also a Jacinta Jacinta I do wanna say that there's a message from an angel that is here in the 90 seconds the angel is saying please have faith move forward work with us because we are trying to work with you make sure that you are moving in the direction of faith, hope and love and let's anything stopping or blocking faith, hope and love has been cleared I get a no let's clear that now I want you to know I love each and every one of you I will be back Wednesday at 7 p.m. Central time I look forward to talking with each and every one of you and seeing you again then.