I'm gonna show that first because it'll be amusing You can see all the work everyone's put into making Kylo memes I'll be demanding memes without Wait, so I said wait why part 2 we got a part 2 Bing Bong there we I'm not gonna call it part dose. I'll be hard dose Parto number 020 Yes, hello everyone, how do you do? With the exact same as the previous podcast in terms of a cast so do I even need to do anything other than just move move right on? Let's just get into the video I got you should probably share a watch together like there's a week. It's the same one. Yeah plan. Oh, okay I thought you had to reset your watch together. Yeah tension man. So someone sent a video. I'm playing Oh God, did they actually make it?   Yeah, that one is really good It's this when they get the shading in they Oh my god, I didn't I didn't notice that one where he's looking down at bilbo on the table That's amazing of the drawing one The drawing is still the best Then oh man jaren got some rhino milking memes as well This one which I do not get how they photoshop that so well so quickly especially the cloak part even though it's so arbitrary How did they get that? I know good It's it's ridiculous. It's uncanny how good that is and it it's scary, but I love it Dude a guy just tried to steal a mace during a parliament section in the uk the emergency power one fits perfectly Steal a mace during what? The emergency power one fits perfectly kappa What I mean the kappa is just think of it as a smoking face, but I don't know about the rest The emergency power one fits perfectly. Oh this this means am I behind on the memes? Do I do I not know the kids memes these days? I think I think yeah, he was talking about one of the memes up there, but somebody stole a mace.  This is true. Uh, is everybody in the wash together. We're apparently missing one um, I'm not I'm seeing it Okay, hang on We'll talk about it without you. It's fine. Oh Yeah, I just let me know what's happening Play We'll play it for the audience and then we'll re-explain the entire thing It's like so what he said and it'll take us another 10 hours instead of five What you're saying This is the second week in a row where we had to do a double e-fap spectacular This is all I've done all day by the way I woke up and It was e-fap time and they're like Do a part two at all. You see this is what moller does He has us kind of like we're chained in the basement and we're just desperately like Can we just do anything other than watch him last jedi video was like, no moller treats us like children on kanto but There's a mace in the house of commons to show royal power and authoritize authorit authorization authorization Authorization What are you seeing this all the world all the world all over you air supply music videos instead air I mean, that's like care. I don't even That's what we were watching before the first stream started Oh, that's true. That's true. Yeah, and then you got me all excited And we can watch the official trailer for the avengers too. Well, we could watch youtube rewind I no longer like my own joke, uh But yeah, my chat is jammed right now. It's concerning. Why is internet B. Why is internet B? You know Oh, it's going again. Okay, whatever. Anyway, I end up being brother. Is that working for you guys? Yeah to learn about it Yeah, I'm just making sure it's playing but um a script on december She's starting all the way over from the start of the movie No adding what I think he's gonna make several different points.  I I can hear Yeah, it's rags go All right. Here's what we're gonna do What we gonna do Are you sure you're on the right audio device? Well, there we go Now he's gone rags. No Oh, he's back is okay. Let me know if this works or if it doesn't work Or if things are bad or good it it's fine. It's okay. It's fine. Yes um anyway Okay, so he So let's take it back. This is the beginning of his conclusion. I guess in the lead truth be told I started writing this script on december 16th 2017 and have been adding editing deleting tweaking rewording And otherwise just trying to get this right since then I can't even tell you I was gonna say I had a little bit disappointed if you've been working for that long on it But who am I to judge? I take a who was that other guy that you guys covered. I don't think I was for it. Where that was the plot hole guy Oh, yeah, where he was like I I took this like no He like um, he spent like a year or something making a video like nine re-drafts or whatever I'm sorry, but my favorite one he ever did was williams. So I just jumped right to oh, yeah That's the one most people know, but this is the plot hole guy to me. Yeah That was our first popular e-fab great And then there is those two people that reacted to The other patrick williams one And you have like in j his response to williams plot videos 200 000 plus So that got the Your microphone is poop God damn it. It cut your mic was fine before. Why is it so bad now?  The two parts or something. Hmm anyway, uh He's been tweaking re-wording deleting editing and adding that's what I've been doing in my part one for the tfa series, but They'll be interested to see what you guys think of it when it's out because it's it's just there's so much shit in it um That I've had to carefully word, but I still think I could have worded it even more careful a little early um It's a little bit longer than 40 minutes A little bit written about this movie just kidding. It was a little over 14 000 at its peak But a lot of that was because something would pop into my head and I just add it I found out a lot of the same how did it take you a year to write 14 000 words In the past year Okay, I was gonna say I guess you he's been selectively You know tweaking it as opposed to constantly working on it Oh, okay, I I have been writing a book For a year a little over a year a year in two weeks And it's at like 330 000 words and I've fit youtube scripts a job in college into that I don't know how it took you 14 000 a year to write 14 000 Yeah, but you didn't have to write it to uh be airtight against last jedi haters criticism Yeah, that's true. That's challenging It's it's so challenging. It's impossible It's so challenging. He couldn't achieve it Oh My ideas come to me worded slightly differently a lot. It's under 10 It's under 10 000 now, but still whoa, it's like reset for me. That all happened. Oh my god Did the same thing to me. You okay rags? Good. We're good. Good Okay, it was because something would pop into my head and I just add it I found out that a lot of the same ideas come to me worded slightly differently a lot It's under 10 000 now, but still not everyone will be interested in everything. What are the visuals for here? Um, it's about the last jedi people getting beaten up. It's that movie It's 110k now, but still not everyone will be interested in everything I have to say so I have to put some time everybody's in the description Wow time stamps for 40 minutes.  I wouldn't even thumbs down this video. I would just be like it was me Like a thumbs down is as good as a thumbs up according to the algorithm. Just it's not like I I don't I I don't like it more than I dislike Um rags What did you finish that thought?  Unfortunately, this is the problem isn't fixed. Um, like I said, it might be a sensitivity thing Maybe put the mic closer to your mouth if you can well, that's the thing I've got everything I'm pretty much right in front of it right now and it's turned up pretty high I'd say I'm sorry. Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do.  It hasn't gone wrong now in that entire sentence. You just had oh good I'll stick around we'll tell you if it fucks up right Comment because you think I'm devaluing your opinion as a fan. That's unavoidable. That's not my goal But I know some of you will still feel that way.  I'm not I'm not arrogant or foolish enough to think I'm going to change anyone's opinion Geez value your own the quality of your own thoughts And I have to ask does he consider us arrogant or foolish if we think we could change someone's opinion Uh getting getting back to rhinos when I saw that rhino photoshop I had to stop for a second because I was like wait a second Close right and I was like hold on those things didn't have horns in the movie.  I was like I had to actually stop and be like wait No, that's not the actual thing from the movie I want to know how cinema wins was able to photoshop out their horn For this video Had to go through every frame and take out that horn.  I'm confident in abilities Yeah, I feel like I might change someone's mind on topics I I know that I've I know that I've changed people might really tell me Oh Yeah, I I bet every single one of us in here has done that Moller you and me did it with I hate everything. No, that never happened strike it for a battery No, it it happened. He just refuses to admit it But I know so you won't release the tape and so therefore it is not real I can't it's against the law You really get away with it law-wise, but I'd say out of respect for I hate everything. He's not denied. It took place He's just said that he's not heard good arguments against the film It wouldn't be cool if the guy says he doesn't want to really say it would not be cool to release it Yeah, of course not. Yeah, and there's also like a legal area where Can't record people And release it without their consent in Britain. That's illegal, but you're in america and I don't know how that works Depends on the state.   Know that you're doing the right thing. I'm not hate watching it No, we didn't we didn't go in hate watch, but some of your arguments Really They were Yeah rags you might want to restart now.  I had a burrito or over the now I have a brain sort of Excellent.   I know Yeah, um You know, I I wouldn't take it away from there. There may be people out there who only watch the video to get angry um Yeah, I was only kidding. I didn't I wasn't assuming that he was actually talking about me personally. I was It was a joke. I made a I made a silly voice I support you.   I think he's referring to Kelly Marie Tran getting booed off instagram, which apparently wasn't actually tied Who are getting insults specifically what he's talking about the fact that he's showing her while saying this makes me think That's what he's referring to But before he was talking about hateful comments and um I'm really curious what he gets to with this. Oh wow. Look what he said as well.  Yeah a little bit a little bit.  Never mind. Sorry the majority majority of you that need to hear that message Okay, and I actually agree with this block.    I'm curious why what he means by attack entirely What if someone said to mark hamill? I agree with you the criticisms of luke's character terrible Everybody clap your hands. Oh my you're back. And you actually sound like You're there. Maybe we'll see you're right. You sound exactly like rags Oh, yeah, you can you do sound like rags. Actually. I have noticed that I sound like is what? No, not rags I'm saying rags My human and I sound uncannily similar So who who came first who copied who? Came first It's just Anyway Oh, yeah, you haven't missed anything rags. All he said is oh, I gather you shouldn't be mean to uh To actors and stuff for why you don't like a movie And yeah, the dumb people who do that won't understand A message like that. Anyway, it's just like almost Admitting they're just redundant to say actually funny enough. But hey, yeah, kind of Obviously, yeah, my vision of that would be Don't do it uh It's worth saying just don't do it if if if you can affect even one person out there in a positive manner I suppose it's worth saying so don't do it um Leave the the individuals alone. However, if said individual like let's just say john lumen who worked on this film Tweeted at rags and said I hate your coverage of my movie.  I probably don't have enough of it, but um I mean from what I've seen from mic zero not that I've seen a lot of his stuff He doesn't seem to be that negative towards star wars not like us Yeah, mic zero is cool people saying but uh Strange If you followed me long enough, you're probably seeing me engage with some haters because hey, why not? I'd say 85% of the time we at least end the conversation. They were haters He said that 85% of the time they end it amicably But it's kind of weird that he's calling them haters if if they ended up conversation reasonably That's almost like a bow. It's like they're just haters. They're not really Offer criticism.  I'm assuming Rag is rag is yeah It's everything back to normal from when you I don't know.  What is normal? I'm so sorry I don't know normal is a construct True No matter how angry or how many expletives they call me at the beginning most people are just Like not terrible occasionally. I run across some gems one commenter's excuse was this is the internet Is this your first day on the internet? This is how people are on As in as in arguing with each other and Disagreeing and being passionate about Is he saying the person said it's their excuse for being a dick? It's the internet that is how it is on the internet Yeah I have this opinion. This is my opinion You do get people who are like, I won't respond if you insult Me rags and possibly Wolf logic to whoever else might Agree with this, but like I know I certainly if you throw an insult at or with an argument I'll usually respond if the argument's good.  It barely even exists. I don't know why people are so worried about it on the internet I guess he said excuse. I suppose not any excuse For it being okay Or like it should be acceptable or something but just expectation You should probably not be surprised if you get have it used on you, I suppose Uh If the internet isn't just a collection of information and people interacting with each other however they choose Every comment you type on this video is the internet.   Oh, sorry. It might be a bit after what i'm seeing make it what you want. You wanted to continue being all right.  They pronounce the eye like an e. No, it's sick s i c It is seek it is latin s i k.  Yeah, that's what it's because it comes in the latin adverb sick meaning thus So that does not pronounce the eye as an a they pronounce it as an e sick Seek according to google it depends depends on what pronunciation latin that I No, I'm serious there because I took to you now. We're arguing about latin pronunciation for fuck's sake. Well. Oh, yeah. No, I'm right God first is this water god regs.     So I think my opinion matters more Latin has short and long eye sounds Correct Yeah, that's right Listen learn your conjugation every comment you type on this video is the internet You are currently shaping the internet. So make it what you want. You want to continue being assessable with hate? I mean Is he advocating that we should never insult each other ever Someone in the chat says latin isn't a spoken language Motherfucker you can speak it Well, you can speak parts of it It's not it's not currently like the official language of any country at the Vatican Yeah, everyone speak braille from now on but we we know how latin We know how latin what latin is implied Latin is implied Oh guys, I know how to speak braille if we all get bubble wrap and we just like Pop all the bubbles in the rough shape Here we go. Oh if if it means latin is no longer in use as a mainline language like I can agree with that but it's certainly Able to be spoken. This is what? Whatever See make that your legacy. I guess or you people are typing in braille now. Hey wolf. You could just be not terrible I never thought about that No, I it honestly never crossed my mind. I gotta tell you latin is implied kylo bed Not terrible to the same degree I've witnessed so many threads under my video's turn from cursing and hatred and name-calling and belittling to a polite conversation Just because one person offered the tiniest apology and acknowledgment that the other person is indeed Well, we expect your apology bloody hell for this video Speak cursive just the idea that he's like these people recognize that they're speaking to other people It's like That's good. They should people should do that more. I guess Like for example You can still insult someone while recognizing they are a human being I've actually I have to reference this basically every time but I I insulted wolf In one of my first videos before I met him on the last Jedi It was it. It doesn't mean I was promoting hatred and idiocracy. I just yes. It is no platform for fascists What is this most people are decent tested out for yourself Another person okay dad Subreddit no not all Yeah, I didn't hear any of that right I said it That's what you get for picking on er. I didn't hear any of it. You went a little bit That's okay. I heard destiny subreddit Are you talking about the person destiny or the game destiny?  What are you saying?  Here's what we'll do give me Give me a Second Is is this whole half of the video just gonna be about be nice to people on the internet? Well, so far it's be nice. Yeah, I'm curious where this is gonna go Because I agree with him, but um, I don't want to put like a A gauntlet down and say no insults Does eFap have a sub I we have a There's a subreddit from mauler. I think it's there's no one really there yet, but you can go Hear me Hello Hello Hello Hello. Hi.   I'll do that now Every significant word is what gets blocked out. I'll do that The video gamer o7 says logic Yes Oh, you know what?   I don't know I didn't know that Uh, I don't know the thing about bible reloaded. I didn't know either Uh, I haven't watched I'm not gonna comment on that because I don't know what jake has been up to Or Hugo's been up to as far as blocking anyone. So I'm just not even gonna touch it Fair enough. Uh, this is good. That's really disappointing if that's true because I like those guys I haven't watched them in a while.   I can't even recommend anything because it could be sensitivity. It could be the internet could be Like a faulty connection. I don't even know Rip rags indeed. Uh, this is for rags to support his alcoholism Um on my channel, I'll be doing a film series.  Sorry What one of their latest videos is undoomed is trash.  I was just saying that'll worked. I'm hoping it's very well I will speak at a slower tone in order that all of my words are understood clearly It sounds like text to speech Also, the bible reloaded did turn super regressive and bitchy. I stopped watching them quite a while ago Now they're called Hugo and Jake. I guess they rebranded I feel bad for logic Stay neutral my friend. Stay neutral I'm not I'm not even I'm just not even It's no it's fine. I'm in the same position. I don't know anything about what we knew. We know you're odd Huh You know what? Oh, that's a lame joke that took that was so lame. It took me a while to even understand what you were getting at I still don't get it. That's because you're that's And that's all right. It's it's a that's a math joke from heart kids Um, it's it's for kids who know about numbers And latin Fucking magnets. How do they work?  I Anyway, Alex Barker said he wants to make a series of videos named after me and he said is that okay? So I think critically that's it's fine You welcome to do you my good sir Roses are red. This stems are twisted bend over. Wolfie.  That's a super chat Someone put that to a music like a nice beat and Rags, did you write that?  I have poor grammar. This guy hits down pedophiles and beats them with a hammer I don't have any I did you two even realize you're both speaking at the same time No Roses are red sugars used to sweeten gordon ramsey's dwarf porn star look-a like found dead and badger didn't have heat What Come on put that in the same song That's always part You guys are weird Our red violets are blue if the dna test proves you're my sister. I'll stop sleeping with you.  This comment section will be a great place to do so Be nice is the summary. No, I don't the last Jedi.    Yeah, I don't think I think he's just trying to be a positive guy about the movie And he wants people to be nice to each other and that's fine That is fine.  Well, it's my channel's tagline Liking things is more fun than not More fun liking things is more fun than hate. I don't know I don't know man.  I'm not sure I'd yeah Prefer to like everything Maybe nobody wants to always watch people just being like this is good.  So You know, maybe maybe it's more fun for him. I guess Choosing to like things can also be more fun as in yeah, this movie and I'll take it a step further Choosing to like things can also be more fun. How do you choose to like something? Yeah, that's like choosing to believe something. Well, I think basically what it is is that you say That kind of sucked, but I really want to like it. So I'm going to spend a year writing 14,000 words about why it's good Hey, he lowered it down to 9,000 Ah, no As in yeah, this movie happened as of right now Ray's parents are nobody Snoke is nobody and we could have been hyperspeed ramming ships for like ever I know some of you want this movie to not have happened, but it's in there now man. It's it's canon Why is he saying that like it's Yeah, that's the problem it being it's almost like he's saying admit defeat This movie's terrible and it's real and you're gonna have to just Own up to the fact that it's real and canon and you should choose to like it now Me and wolf wouldn't have responded to it if it wasn't canon. That's the whole reason Like yes, you're right. What does that have to do with is not accounted to anything I'm not the first resistance to disney's authority is futile. You know, he's right Empire receives the four mickey gating reviews when it was released in 1980 I hate this argument empire got mean when it came out. Yeah, but this other movie 40 years ago Well, it's just the idea. It's like this movie is a 10 out of 10 This moves a 5 out of 10 this moves a 0 out of 10 all three of them got bad reviews Which means they're all the same really Like no But I don't hear many people talking about why and I think the main reason was that the trilogy was not complete The same thing will happen with the last Jedi The last Jedi is the end. It's like a duology I am so curious like Like what do they think the third movie in this is going to actually change so That it will recontextualize the last Jedi as a brilliant masterpiece like the empire strikes back The last Jedi closes out like episode six does where everyone's like doing that pose and everyone's like, yeah, we did it Where everyone jumps in the air and it frees frames Yeah If it was the end of episode nine, I would be like, yeah, they're gonna do another trilogy then because this story is tied up now Even though it was a failure story But yeah, it's a duology and it's gonna have a part two point two or some, you know Like that's what episode three is gonna be. Well episode nine. Sorry Once we've moved on to another trilogy the kids watching these movies will immediately accept that astral projection space flying and telepathic conversations are The argument isn't the argument isn't that they can't be the argument is oh god.  Yeah, subscribe star is the patreon alternative that he's using It's Jordan Peterson using it I don't know but um When it but apparently there's because I'm I'm seeing some tweets in another discord like matt christensen He was he was saying He posted the email he got back from patreon and they're clearly worried about losing people and uh christina hoff somers retweeted claire lemon Who was talking about how patreon's clearly worried everybody?  Oh, I guess dip were we live when I told that story? When I explain that maybe I'll put it. I'll put it in a video. Yeah, there you go I'll put in the video Force powers and part of the lore as map hat points it out while theories may have created the fan response Someone watching this movie for the first time even in say five years won't have read any theories and won't be invested in the plot Threads that don't actually occur. That's not it's a straw man Yeah, what happens happens then successful by that logic because if you take one of 100 fan fan theories Then 99 are going to be disappointed Contradict anything either that before when the emperor's actually serious See this is this feels like bad faith to me. He should be fully aware that people don't have a problem with it existing It's contradicting. That's the problem. It's not the fact that it exists Yeah after if you're making if you're in the star wars sphere Surely you've actually listened to people's arguments, right? He's drafted this early Yeah, how did you get this point? I see it brought up a lot in the chat. Who's map pad? That's uh game theory Game theory film theory that guy. Oh, did he get referenced? I have not seen his tlj video, but I think he made the argument that fan theories helped to Ruin the lost Jedi I guess Oh, okay Oh, he could be wrong Luke in the last 10 minutes of the last film I said, whoa, cool. And honestly, I was a little more enthusiastic when Luke force projected himself Thank goodness. Not all the rules have been written. Yeah, but some rules have been written Yeah, there you go Go against old rules It's like we don't have a problem like the rules of chess have changed over time We added like castling and stuff like that. It didn't contradict any old rule Does force projection contradict anything? I um the I don't know anything. It really contradicts the issue that presents is that there's a lot of ways The Jedi could use it to their advantage if it was something they could pull off What I'm willing to forgive is the idea that it takes an extremely powerful potent Jedi, but then again, you're like Man Yoda, you could have done this In the ot to help out Yoda seemed to have his own little special ways of doing things though. I have to say Like that's not good enough. He wanted to win.  Maybe he like maybe he went Uh, when they were drawing up the blueprints for the Death Star and he was just like I'll just put in a little A little ventilation shaft right here and they can see the laser I'm anticipating JJ trying to plug these holes and like this is really bad exposition It's kind of funny because I can imagine Yoda force projecting himself onto the Death Star and like getting lost and he has to like He's wandering around trying to find the throne room and he's looking at little maps on the wall and going up and down elevators I'd like a trooper sees him starts unloading a blaster. They're all going through and he's like, where do I go? Oh Could you not do that? Where's the bathroom? Where go do I? But yeah, like take a tinkle. I must they talk to him at episode died They're like, man, it would be useful if you could use that lightning used back on Luke's Island and then he's like I couldn't do that because that was simply an illusion The building was never burned and I simply made Luke see that through the force and they just have lines like that throughout episode nine It's just well, yeah, but you would just be like He could use that to contradict things in the original. Yeah, you'd be like, why could he make evil people see things then? I don't know. It's just yeah Yeah Though I guess technically this one wasn't a Jedi book somewhere. So Yeah, he's talking about ryan johnson, but that was disney canon. So it doesn't count a disney book. It's like I don't want to reference it. I'll use something else. It's like go ahead This is true because it's in this book. This book is true because it's in this book and this book is true because it's in this book Okay, it's infinite Don't limit the force. Why would you want to do that? How sad would it be? Yeah, because that's what everyone's asking to do limit the force. That's what you've been saying this whole time That's the fairy. That's the fair representation of everything that could happen has already happened It's not what anyone say Yeah, you would think that in your castilian rewrite the however long time You would have been like, let's make sure that the things I'm saying are actually countering things that are being said The force, why would you want to do that? How sad would it be if everything that could happen has already happened?    I think it was like the the people versus george lucas and there was those people Singing that song about george lucas raped my childhood. What? Oh, oh that that's hyperbole Yeah, I agree. Yeah Yeah, but no one thinks that he actually raped their childhood Well, no, obviously, but even in the even in the non-literal sense is Incredibly hyperbole. Yeah, it's hyperbole.  Say what if you invent scenes in the film in order to defend the film you're being a bit hyperbolic Yes, is that really hyperbolic or just um disingenuous? Well, they're exaggerating the film is what I would say or at least the quality I mean, I think it would be disingenuous either way whether or not it's just Understood as being you know and that in a negative light They'd be hyperbolic about the quality of the film. Would you agree with that? I'm not really sure that I would use hyperbolic there But if they have I think that if they have to invent scenes that didn't really exist and try to I think I think it can be hyperbole Yeah, maybe using the wrong context. Hyperbolic refers to the words you're using for description, right? Yeah, so it would be hyperbolic to say The film is incredible, I suppose Or even good. I would actually argue that's exaggerating the film to say it's good as in well made or well crafted Yeah, I think hyperbolic I think hyperbolic would be like this is literally the greatest film ever made type of thing But then that that goes both ways is anyone saying like mean you us aren't saying the last Jedi is the biggest sin man has ever created We're just saying it's a bad film But again, we don't know what he's referring to he just said It's hyperbolic Yeah, it's vague. It's just kind of somebody said something It's it's so it's kind of unclear. Yeah, even in my own comment section. There are some repulsive takes Repulsive you say Like what? I don't know. He's probably referring I would assume he's referring to the stuff like, um I hate that there's women in the film. I mean majorly seems to think people said that as well, so Every time someone even so much as requests the last Jedi, there's at least a couple comments telling them how dumb they are We're not trying to give these people their 15 seconds so you can look for yourself I've already said no one can take the look of the original trilogy away from you.  Oh god people change that doesn't be luke was secretly like this all a lot people change See people get old too guys Change we don't have to explain why or show why or give screen time to why really or put in the effort into showing us how No, you just changed I mean luke was secretly like this all along and i'm not trying to be dismissive These are just some of the immediate thoughts that popped into my head when the outrage began I don't think anyone foresaw how far the outrage would reach Anyway onto the movie I want to start by saying that for me this movie is a statement about our heroes more accurately how we perceive our heroes The legend of luke skywalker outside of the countless books written about luke between return of the jedi in this film We only have the movies Yeah, but those books were like awesome luke.  So now they're not cannons.  We get mopey crappy luke Look at those stories luke discovered jeb bush and lost all hope And the superhero status that luke sweeps the next german elections Was elevated to in the years between his cup The heroes the superhero status luke was elevated to in the years between no, he was pretty much just Doesn't need to be superhero. Just hero. There's a war hero Yeah, and he absolutely was he saved the galaxy. That's you can't understate that He defeated darth fader and the emperor a lot of stories.  He blew up the death star using the superpower also.  Yeah So he actually is a superhero Yeah, because of the jedi. Yeah, well, well, I elevated to in the year where the where the jedi of the ot where they considered superheroes Well, I was about to say everyone has the force now. So maybe that's not even super. That's just normal Yeah, like even wato is like your force tricks don't work on me Like it's an accepted part of the universe Yeah, but I think that they're clearly above Uh, the abilities of a normal human, right? Yeah, like most people aren't in tune enough with the force or whatever to be able All right. Yeah, if you want to if you want to play that way. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's gonna Yeah, there's no need to return to the jedi in this film We only have the movies if you look at those stories and the superhero status that was in the comics No in the tv shows Those are canon There's there is canon outside of the movie there is yeah to in the years between His current attitude is a direct statement against that. He's just a man. He got some really lucky breaks was born into a Oh boy.  He just got some lucky breaks made a lot of choices He worked hard. He loved well. These are all things that aren't related to luck Yowsers Born into a powerful family. Oh, no Listen, listen a powerful family that had nothing to Left him in a desert alone Who's that really fast sprinter uh usain bolt fastest man in the world?  Star Wars considering the sheer large amount of people who don't have it I understand that if you have a guy who's like a super ninja and has like a let's say a Mace on a on a line. He spins around. He was like, whoa, that was amazing. It's like it's superpowers Not quite the same so they literally have telekinesis and mind control and If it wasn't a superpower, what would have been special about the kid like force summoning the broom at the end? Well, this nothing true would have just been some kid like getting the point of this film though that everybody has it No, I don't think so Yeah, but it's Watto may be immune to mind control But that's only because they say the strong minds don't get affected by mind control not because he's a force user I thought it was because of his species I thought his species was immune to the force influence um Maybe again, I I I'm not 100% sure actually uh It says They they're known to be strong willed and resistant to manipulation through the force They are toy darians.  To procreate to keep the species alive, obviously. I well, I mean I don't know ER said that you're a sweetheart mauler.  I doubt he's Watching you he could feel totally welcome here safe from the from the evils, you know We'll be your safe space with people cut from the same cloth.   Yeah slut We are star wars going to chat, you know so we can see that he's alive and well. Yeah Jesus christ, what if they do this to someone and they kill themselves over it?   So how would they react to that? I don't know They get very sensitive whenever anybody does anything quote unquote drastic like leaving instagram They will be very upset. It'll be like your abuse has caused this event So I wonder if they would apply that to themselves or they justify it by saying they were an anti-semite or they were Well, I'll just say oh look one less not see in the world Which is a Possible.  You may or may not come but you know, we've left Get all we are We are your friend Um anyway Powerful family and everyone has been looking to him. Well, he said it best I think what I'm gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down on the whole No one asked him to do that. No one asked him to do that.   So the logic just doesn't fly it doesn't fly with any part of Luke's character It's a part of what's so annoying.  They're like luke is just like he is in our world It's like if he saved the galaxy you would rightfully be placed in a position that with elevation Yeah, what mark hamill loves what luke does to people and how it makes them feel He he gets great satisfaction and joy from knowing that he could change people and make them feel great Yeah, major bucket ate the quote from the ot. I feel like I could take out the whole empire myself Never mind that was who's that from was it wasn't big. Was it who's somebody in um Who's the co-pilot in the uh the hoth battle I believe from with luke. I can't remember the name of the guy But uh, yeah, never mind that A true hero the story is porkens I love he says so of course he wants nothing to do with this like Of course, she wants nothing to do with it. Who could live up to that who could write him to live up to that People in the chat are saying it was dak Oh dak, okay Hey, um, remember that time I had to go to the bathroom No Not really. Yeah, nobody pays attention to your bathroom breaks doggy Um read a few super chats while he's gone at least Figure out where I was Oh, there was there was two donations about buying rags a new microphone. I think he's okay he's um He's he's fixed it now somehow Oh, there we go. So Hey, Moller, have you ever heard of the youtube channel like stories of old? He does psychological evaluations of movies and some of them are really interesting curious for your opinion I have not heard of the channel. I'm afraid I've seen a couple of his videos They good Yeah, I mean I think you would be under the impression Be a little longer on some of them, but I didn't have any issue with them I only saw a couple of them. I can't remember which one's out the top of my head If I looked them up, I could tell you Stories of old This is the same type of shit that hella grito says if the internet was around during the time of the ot then It would have gotten a lot of hate That's why it was, you know, worldwide popular made the most money like that a movie could ever make Why is everyone hated then again? I I suppose I'm a hypocritics like the last year I made money It's like it sure did It sure did. I can't deny that I give this to rags who can buy a new bike as well. Uh Yeah, they posted the The latin thing. I think there's a translation later. You guys are great. I feel like I owe you for hours of entertainment Hopefully we maintain entertaining. Sometimes I hope I'm concerned that maybe people are falling asleep and you know We don't want that unless you actually want to fall asleep to this sort of thing, which You know what to each their own Wherever there's a rhyme or lyric I appear sub guys once there was a man called McBride He fell into an outhouse and died his unfortunate brother fell into another and now they're interred by side by side This is a rhyme Don't I don't know how it's relevant. You know, it's a weird rhyme out of nowhere Yeah, like stories of old is posted a lot about movies. He's uh made a lot of videos on Lord the Rings. I I found he made a video on the gray. He was really short But that's where I remembered him from I think that was the first video from his I saw from him that I saw um Roses are blue so too are limes. Don't you tell me different? I'm colorblind respect my opinion on the visible light spectrum re Oh Let's be honest color is implied Stay on colors and constructs. It's latin for I love y'all wolf and rags and mola. Oh, no love for logics Or a logic What? Star Wars will hate at least he has his cookies. That's true. What what what did I miss something? Um, someone said they gave love to to me rags and wolf and I felt Felt you were named specifically and that was offensive. I see perhaps you should de-platform the person you provided that donation Star Wars logic is implied. Okay fine Star Wars will end with the great reveal that everything that happens in the movie Just two kids playing with action figures expectations unfurtered. That's a possibility To escape the problems of the last Jedi. I'm not saying I would do it, but I'm not saying I wouldn't do it Someone said love for logic is implied Midichlor is introduced as canon and prequels a way to measure the amount of force in somebody They were hated and retconned out of the series I don't know if they were retconned out. They still exist, right? I don't think I'm back. Thanks guys for waiting for me. I think people just stopped ever mentioning them again yeah Any way to fix the last Jedi is to have episode nine start with the last Jedi ending and have someone waking up Yeah, preferably Luke or Finn from his action. What a strange dream Okay, watching this. I'm really happy that I didn't see cinema sins video. I like his general Oh, so it must be cinema wins video. I like his general positivity But you're straw manning and defending a lot of lore problems that should be called out like I said My take on this so far is it's probably the least combative of all the tlg videos we've seen But he's still making a lot of arguments that there are counters for that he's not accounting for That sentence made sense, right? Your silence means that it did excellent. I agree entirely with what you said see Undeniable appraisal, uh, it's true. The only way to fix the last Jedi is to turn out the Jar Jar beings was behind everything from the beginning I agree They didn't take away Luke. I cannot watch ot or PT because of the last Jedi Luke is not the same character Many have one flashback for why yeah, I agree I agree um, yeah, and someone said um You know about being regretful if someone was to take their life because of the shit people say online tall biscuit and stanley got like Shredded by certain people when they died so They were they were encouraged to commit suicide From my point of view the jedi are failures luke. Yeah from my point of view the jedi are failures Great channel. Well, thank you. Uh, how does ray talk with such conviction about luke saving veda when she just found out He wasn't a myth two days ago.  Why not? That's that's the attitude there Uh, really luke's new philosophy in the last Jedi is just ryan johnson trying to make himself look smart But when you actually analyze these lines, they make no sense.  I forgot exactly Yeah, you need to focus on the themes They should have used a different character for this whole hero thing Preferably somebody who was trained by luke skywalker and didn't live up to being a jedi as luke has created this You know idea of what a jedi is if they wanted to do that story You're gonna made that the story after this trilogy. This is the trilogy where our ot heroes Complete their their stories.  Sorry, but mark hamill doesn't get to decide who or what luke becomes as much as I love his honesty Geez, even his lack of ego for letting ryan do what he thought was best and side note killing it in a role He fundamentally disagreed with using the fact that hamill was upset doesn't really mean much to me rip I mean Isn't it like we define whether or not something's right or wrong in a film if an actor says it's right or wrong But we've always stood by the fact that there is insight into luke skywalker from mark hamill undeniably I would imagine nobody knows luke more than he does even more than lucas he has to Mark I wouldn't I don't know if I'd say he's a method actor But he's said several times he wants to get into the mind of the people he's playing He wants to know their history why they do everything and then he can play them better and apparently This guy isn't the one you trust to find out what luke would do so And he's not included the part where mark actually said that he kind of regrets what he says I'm interested that he hasn't included that but hey Fair enough And I'm not going to say that you misunderstood the original trilogy if you came away thinking luke was the optimistic center of the universe He was We all took our own truths away from those films I think we can all agree that hope has been a main theme throughout star wars Leia is always talking about Well, what do you hate hope now rags?  Yeah fair enough Four and now ray and the resistance are the physical embodiment of it physical embodiment of hope Oh, are they is by that does he mean a person who thinks about hope? I don't know Does he mean physical represent? I don't even that was just a weird line fair enough themes I think people were upset by who luke became because he had lost his hope But like I said in my return to the jedi video even he was deceived in the end. Some of you disagree. Huh? All right, see if I easy talking about them the thing he saw in kylo's head Or was he talking about we don't know if he was wrong or not or what exact I mean like We don't know if that was a premonition Or if it was Bullshit created by snook. Yeah, we don't know.  That's the thing Um, yeah, I'm not sure what I was referring to With my interpretation But to me luke had to use the rage of the dark side to beat darth vader He went up to and may have slightly crossed the line the difference being that he turned back But in that moment he learned that the line between light and dark isn't as clear as it seemed Yeah, sorry You can't just extrapolate that scene onto this one and say it totally makes sense This lines up completely. They were completely different situations with completely different new ones I can't believe these people just don't get it. How can you keep making this argument? When there's clearly a totally different situation behind it He tried to regain his hope one more time when he took ben solo in and once what? Is he saying that he was he became disheveled luke immediately after episode six And then he took ben in in hopes to undo that Yeah, I feel like ryan doesn't understand characters. Oh just a little bit Just a little bit Solo in and once again chose a dark path for a split second Ironically seeing his robotic hand holding a lightsaber just like with his father. Uh-huh. I keep Only this time it was too late to turn back the damage was done This time he'd already swung that killing blow as far as kylo was concerned and you really can't blame that on this film What do you mean we can't blame that on the film? It's in the film in the film and the film decided it would be in there the film They chose to have it in there man It's like writing yourself into order is like don't do that This film that's where we were headed after force awakens. I felt confident predicting it Just like master ugoi says one often meets his destiny on the road. He takes to avoid it.  He takes to avoid it.  It's well. It's so wise. It is in it is unhelpful in every way It's weird that he pulling in kung fu panda references and um racket ralph references but fair enough Often closed on ben's dark side allegiance in that moment So at that point he no he didn't because they still Were curious as to whether or not he'd be a good guy in the first one and in this film too after that scene so Even by the film standards They disagree with you. He decided the use of the force was not a good thing and he cut himself off That's why he has no clue what's going on in the galaxy The use of the force was not a good thing. That is not what luke said luke said it doesn't belong to the jedi He cut himself off from the force and that seemed shameful if you remember rey's reaction She was like you cut yourself off of the force and he looks down like Almost like he's been caught masturbating or something And I don't I don't exactly understand why he cut himself off from the force after he makes the argument that the force is for everyone It doesn't belong to the jedi Was it ever established before this that you could cut yourself off from the force apparently it was in one of the games but force unleashed Yeah, so it's Yeah, I'm not too bothered by that But I'd like them to explore it a little bit further than just saying I did it Yeah, like is it a switch that you can turn on and off or what exactly the masturbation was implied Even closed on ben's dark side allegiance in that moment So at that point he decided the use of the force was not a good thing and he cut himself off I love the the use of the force was not a good thing It's the course that I even mean Is the don't use the force isn't that like the force arguably is a tool slash weapon So how you use it would be what defines whether or not it was Good or bad not the existence of it within you. I don't know whatever That's why he has no clue what's going on in the galaxy But I understand that's why he has no clue going on in the galaxy as I agree with that conclusion Luke went into I see why is how did we get here? To this point the use of force is not a good thing. You know what's going in my video What is the use of the force is not a good thing Just vaguely generally Okay Exile because he thought that Jedi weren't helping anything which based on evidence and history They weren't it was a Sith who destroyed the emperor while the last Jedi was being sizzled for sticking to the light side Thanks to a Jedi convincing him to come to the light side Are we just going to ignore those details? I know that's an obtuse interpretation, but no he admits that it's That's not What's the point? It's also very literal hope was no longer a luxury luke could have why? Yeah Do you even mean And I can't blame him for that He failed his sister failed his brother-in-law and best friend and in failing his nephew All these things happened after he you've you've apparently claimed he lost faith Because you said he took in ben as an attempt to try and regain hope By the way, these failures as a result of the writing they're not things that luke had in his repertoire already He didn't have to fail the writers made it so he failed not even jj made it so he failed. This was ryan Yeah, this is pretty fresh. They just made this up Oh, that's why i'm so curious to know what jj had in mind created the new Darth Vader You had created the new Darth Vader if that's not a reason to sideline yourself What is I agree that he would lose faith in himself if he did all those things We're saying those things don't match his character And we didn't see enough of them anyway We saw a 10 second flashback and a couple of lines of exposition But that's just the first two acts of the movie after a chat with yoda and the realization that ray didn't need to Do you see the first two acts? Is he gonna count the fact that there's four acts in this film? I wonder It's uh, it's a very jumbled structure Could be a jedi in the sense that he'd accepted luke found hope again Ray didn't need to be a jedi in the sense that he'd accepted luke found hope again Yeah, one quick chat with yoda and luke completely undoes his 30 year distance from episode six Thanks for waiting 30 years yoda. What a pathetic character That his entire mindset A wise controlled mindset is altered when yoda says the best teacher failure is Wow And whatever He found hope watching her ask the dark side for help as he once did reminded him he didn't need to be afraid of the force Watching her ask the dark side for help What's he talking about? She I guess he thinks that in that sequence she was reaching out to the dark side in order to Give her something Is he talking about when she goes into the hole because he's showing this clip so i'm assuming not Well, but he said I think this is for the next the next thing he says And he literally marches out to face the first order with a lightsaber knowing full well. He's going to die and but there That's not what literally means That's not well Oh boy. Here we go again We don't use this new age bullshit post modernist cultural marx's definition of literal that can mean oh No words no I put my foot down there What if what if you woke up tomorrow and everyone referred to a car as a plane and a plane as a car How long would it take you before you adopt the reverse if everyone disagrees with you? I'm not saying that's a scenario in now, but i'm curious Because I I'd be like why did you relabel these words? Oh well No, exactly I would like that be like like too But eventually you'd have to just change because the whole reason we use languages to communicate with the other people No, I don't have to change What's the children who are wrong? Yeah, let's let's rewind him back a bit there. It's hard to keep track of all of his um What's it? What's a non insulting version of nonsense? Um, idiotic. No, that's I would say I think you already said the insulting I must know no I didn't say yeah, I was Unrelated you didn't say it. You just okay. What was the word that we're looking for idle musings Synonym of nonsense This'll this'll be easy.  Fatuity? I flightiness Fun guys, it's fun. It's it's folly. Obviously Palava. Oh, I'm calling it. I'm afraid your video is constructed of palava. Mr. Cinema wins palava total baloney Sir, this video is folly Stop now poppycock And he literally marches out to face the first order with the boulder dash boulder dash He literally marches out. It's like I mean he Figuratively does because he's not really there He's real enough to cast a shadow and make noise, but not real enough to oh apparently his name is lee. That's awkward considering the other lee Oh, it's maybe it's a thing with leaves Can't trust those leaves man. You can't trust the leaves Knowing full well, he's going to die and by doing something so legendary He sparks the hope that his physical form never could have done physical body that legend in a way that no one had before I can't what What do you mean he never could have before what? He couldn't you see luke couldn't have done anything meaningful or impactful like this I gotta hear it again He didn't need to be afraid of the force and he literally marches out to face the first order I was never afraid of the force anyway, but um Or with a lightsaber knowing full well, he's going to die Who are you talking about whose name was lee majorly?  Yeah, he's called lee cinema Cinema sin sins is jay But he just said his name was lee.  Oh his name is okay. I thought he said my name is lee Lee Okay Oh, sure. I just insulted you. Please don't bad me No, we just we read our chat chat. Don't say that. That's a naughty word, but it is clever It's naughty, but I like it It's the oh tree His physical form could never have sparked the hope that he sparks by doing this this legendary thing Sparks the whole We're not gonna explain how words of these deeds um You know how how they spread across the galaxy so quickly. You don't know how word got out It's so funny to me as well because um You be let's let's pretend for a second We're all in the star wars universe and then they go if you hear the legend of luke skywalker and let's ignore the ot Like what is the legend?  Have you seen those first order walkers?   Why is that inspiring?  He faced them You know, like who was he why? Like he's trying to show that they're not so powerful Like so where's this guy now? You know, he's dead Why is this an inspiring story? anyone I got nothing I need Well a lot of this goes into world building like how much did the first order control? You know galactic image and propaganda and how much do they control communications and how much?  I'd be like, I don't What are you trying to tell me and it's like a ghost went and attacked the first order Is that what you're saying to me right now? Yeah Someone said there is literally no rhino lee baggins Spectral rhinos are still rhinos hashtag neural spectral rhinos Hope that his physical form never could have done. He embodied that legend in a way that no one had before I can't help but love that so much I really feel like anyone who says luke should have actually shown up wasn't paying attention You're supposed to not be combative Wow, sorry Don't do that It's mean I'll keep it.   How long did you write this for because it's bad a year? Oh god Why it's so bad. Why would you contradict yourself like this? He could be could be as much of a legend if he had a real body I mean, that's why you have understood that if you were actually paying attention Bell He wouldn't have been able to do anything if he was really there Uh, the same results would have happened You get shot and murdered or you get shot out and holds the lasers in place and fires them back Or just dissipates them and then kylo comes down and fights him and kylo kills him The scene is exactly the same instead. He was a ghost Or or he just doesn't like he surely there could have been other things he could have done instead of just walking out there Is like hey bitches and luke skywalker No, surely there were other things he could have done during all of that time Like the build up of the empire and all this stuff and maybe what if he what if he showed up and he lifted the rocks?  Yeah. Have luke do it.  Have luke do it Luke show.  He's just like you guys would pay attention He wouldn't be able to do anything if he was really there it's like And it is say so Luke could have moved the rocks and they could have escaped Oh, sorry. He would have taken a second, didn't it? Because I only took a second for us to think of a Counter to what he said. It's like that must be embarrassing. Hey, it took him a year to write this.  Oh, maybe he should have taken two years. That's true. Anything if he was really there I guess the other option was superman luke. I just can't yeah We've gone over this before but for some reason everybody assumes that if you don't like what they did then you expected him You literally fly around And stab everyone with a lightsaber and start shouting yahoo and stuff and I'm amazing And deflect everything. It's just like why does he have to be that? Why is there no in between with you people? Why is that what we want almost seems like you're using our position and exaggerating it to make us look more unreasonable Do they have a word for that in argumentation? I can't remember I don't think so they should someone should yeah I like I like that they could because it's it seems to happen a lot See a way in which luke's showing up and tearing gorilla walk. Why would you why would that be the only thing that he would have had to do? No, nothing else can happen. Yes. Yeah, it's like that's the only thing that could have happened He would have had to go out there and destroyed every single one Even though they don't do that in the movie as it is So I don't even know why he would Think that because that's not what happens in this version. They call it lying They call it lying Film once you make him super Jedi. Where do you go from there? Don't Rewrite the movie with someone else's suggestion and then dishonestly try and conclude from it when you don't even have them there to talk about it Don't bother That's never what star wars has been about as if you understand what star wars has been about Don't get me wrong vaders complete phonage in that hallway is thrilling and I wouldn't trade it for anything But that was less than what I've seen people expecting of luke luke was never supposed to get god mode He's always been a conflicted kid. No, he's not always been a kid and not not everyone is saying he should have god mode That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, this guy looks like a kid to me What kylo? No luke. Oh, right Old sad miserable Uh the verge of death luke. He's always been a conflicted kid. God Hey in the end luke gave up everything to embrace his legend status in a wholly unique way But enough about luke.  Oh, no reasons are terrible. Oh, no one of the main themes No, one of the main that's the thing you can have so many themes the theme of hope the theme of failure The theme of sauerkraut.  You can have a theme for anything you want And you can miss it just mash it and scramble it up in any way you want and somehow it'll still magically all come together It's a little subtle symbolic way logic What I thought you were dead. Thank god. What? How come how come you're next to me now and wolf and mauler on that side Look, I was getting a little lonely and you weren't giving me the attention I need so I was focusing on the video wolf Well, it's important. Hey, I'm important too. You'll be here tonight, but this has there are people watching this I know for them I don't owe them anything This film is failure Almost every plan put in place has at least a piece that fails as if you can't apply that to basically like every film that ever has plans in it As if everything goes perfectly all the time Poe destroys the dreadnought, but every bomber is destroyed How else how could that seed have ended any other way?   Oh, no Yeah, I consider it a weird exchange Yeah, three bombers Or was there how many?  Yeah, think about it They blow up here. You'd think the explosions would be massive Right.   You're right die to save them But through failure, each character grows and changes. How does Holdo grow and change from his failure? He dies Ray grow and change from her failure. How does Paige Tico grow from her failure? How does Finn grow and change from his failure? Well in fairness Paige Tico grew into about a thousand different pieces And she's currently floating around in space somewhere. I don't think of that so much as multiplication as I do division That's true And Asians are Asians are good at math. So it's very important that you get those two right Yeah, wolf I'm sorry Dick, that's okay. Okay. Well in fairness rows go outward Okay, initially Ray came convinced To come back essentially Essentially embraces the dark side What are you talking about? I am legitimately curious. What do you mean by that touching a wall is embracing the dark side? It's a dark wall What are you talking about? To get no answers and then falls into Snoke's trap to then be betrayed by Kylo one last time She'd look it over past in The Force Awakens Kylo, uh, she was hoping he would turn he still kills Snoke, which uh Is undeniably a pro in in the pro con column. That's good. Yeah So as much as he didn't turn to the good side, he got rid of Snoke. So that's a high five I'm sure she's at least happy with that But uh, it's dumb anyway the fact that she wants him to turn when she's supposed to be Extremely angry at him for what he did to hun solo, but apparently that got forgotten over a scene The thing holding her back this ever-present who am I and where do I come from? Which brings me to one of the most hated subversions.  I don't see the you're nothing message as some inclusionist propaganda. What inclusionist propaganda I've never heard it called that Uh, I've never heard that argument I've never ever heard that called inclusionist propaganda. I have no idea where he's pulling this from What does that mean exactly like they're trying to promote that everybody's okay something? Yeah, I guess they're trying to say that this this film is so inclusive That You can Be special Even if you don't come from any place special Anyway, I'll just kick on because I So that's weird when the first star wars was released Luke was the son of a long dead jedi who some old guy spoke highly of farce. He knew it I do I Okay, his parents were nobodies and soon even his adoptive aunt and uncle were dead Luke was a nobody sure he ended up being the son of the most powerful jedi and sith ever But that's not where we started star wars became a story of important bloodlines But that's not what made us relate to luke. He was just a moisture farmer who wanted to join the rebellion. I don't disagree What's your point? I'm glad ray is no one because now we've circled back around to anyone can make a difference The world has been open.    Christ. Yeah, I mean, we'll get around to that later tonight Yeah boy But the message here is like ratatouille is like not everyone can become a famous chef, but a famous chef can come from anywhere Yes Uh, the exact same thing as becoming a jedi is a much better film than the last jedi We don't like ratatouille.  I don't I don't even know how many people are making this argument to be honest I'm not saying no one is but how many people are saying ray should have been a skywalker just because that would be cool Yeah, I mean I kind of and it kind of makes the scope of the universe seem smaller too Everyone's just fucking related to this one family.  How can you hate that message? I've had a lot of the main issues people had with the movie It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the message is. It's if the message is portrayed well in the film Well, he's like, how can you hate that message the message that anyone can make a difference What who who in the world hates that message? Yeah You can have a a message that's good But if it's not portrayed well in the film then people will have an issue with this portrayal It's a little bit of a straw man if you ask me to anyone Make a difference the world has been opened back up. How can you hate that message? I've had a lot of the main issues hasn't been open back up It's just because to me in a way like sure it has in a way, but at the same time It's almost like you're throwing darts at a dartboard It it has this element of just randomness to it Where your success or failure Here's the thing with ray if she doesn't work for it if it's just who she is then what hope do we have? It doesn't matter if we train or not We'll never be as good as that because it's just given to us and taken away from us arbitrarily by some unseen force for lack of a better term But if we see her like I could believe that I could be a luke because you see luke suffer And you see him overcome his obstacles and you see him grow and change and develop and he works hard along the way But how do you see yourself as ray? Yeah, I don't know how anybody empathizes with ray ever. It's like What were you were you born perfect? It's like yes, yes, I won and someone in chat says the force awakens introduce her parents as a plot point I mean, uh, it introduced them as something she was going to be searching for but mas canata did say They don't fucking matter move on Yeah, and then she's like okay And and they could have done something with that like this is why you want to be part of the rebellion There are calls you care about which is something that you can latch on to which comes into the other problem of her motivation, but We even with mas saying that we don't have an explanation for ray's power.  I'm not I'm really not I'm smiling Sadness Smiling with sadness. I'm smiling as a head in his all around me are familiar Faces Well, hey, he he's hoping to change some people's minds while also not being arrogant or foolish enough to try and change people's minds That's makes sense He doesn't think that he can but he's he wrote rewrote this over a year and you didn't pick that one up That's fine.  So it's all fair game. You know, he does it with every one of them It's all it's all fair. Okay. Okay. You look the same thing I did with the prequels Spoiler alert You're not dumb if these things didn't bother you because a lot of them are nothing I don't think whether a plot point bothers you is about your intelligence. I'm not sure I don't know. Yeah, it could just be perception. Then again, I don't know wolf What's the way it up there? Uh Not entirely because you can accept a problem in that, you know, not think it has uh too much bearing Like uh episode three for example, there's a ton of issues But I can ignore a good amount of them because I was like, uh, it's it's not that horrible of a movie You okay when you like deny it It's like singing to himself Um, yes, it's his mating ritual. He does this every night. Oh, no, no, no, no They don't make different noises from my mating ritual. Well, I mean, well, yeah, but you know, I don't Uh, yeah, the the idea of saying like the x doesn't bother me. It's just like, all right then Can anyone hear me? Hello logic. Yes. I'm duct tape to a chair in regs's basement Can someone help me basement, but I'm based Grown oh, hey today, uh Why why why why your stellar space? What what? Uh, Voyager two has entered the space between solar systems today Oh Yeah, I've never met Voyager two. So it launched in 1977 Where is it going?  I think remember it's just going away. It's not gonna hit anything Remember how you just reminded me when There was some kind of argument that got brought up about infinity war about how far they've traveled And uh, we said I I remember saying to you wolf Just some statement about how they were outside.  They're on satans moon or whatever tighten Yeah, because they named the planet the same thing that a moon is already I get I get it But it's just funny. It's like you really think that is just creep like that is his entire species Would that close to it? Well, I well, I don't know you don't name a planet the same thing as a moon That's like right next to us. I feel like you would have crushed our planet early on. Yes titans first moon titan Of the titan system Anyway We already talked about why holdo didn't opoe an explanation just like in real life you haven't Explicit Ask anyone in any branch of the military how opoe would have been treated for questioning a vice admiral the way he does Um, this is well after she's let her entire crew think there's no hope So You can ask any military personnel how a mutiny works. It's an actual thing So here.  I was like, oh, thank christ.       You you have purple hair. You wear a halo and you have a bowl gown And your neck is just absurdly long It's wrong.  No, he's saying it's realistic Sorry, convenient doesn't mean it's not realistic um Convenient to the plot that's interesting. You'd say it's inconvenient to the plot Well inconvenient to po. I don't know whatever it doesn't matter. It doesn't make any sense Exclusive and goodness you have to squint to turn this into an anti-patriarchy Uh No, I don't think you have to squint the fact there's it's undeniable that people associate purple hair with tumblr and stuff like that That's that's definitely part of society right now. I'm not saying that the last Jedi is definitively anti-patriarchy, but uh Why would you have a purple haired character?  I don't know if she's actually jewish. I don't know if she I don't know Hey, man. I'm just saying curly hair big nose I don't know what that has to do with being jewish and I don't know if um The does Judaism exist in the star wars? Probably not Because it was a long time ago And that and the Torah was written a long time ago But uh people did definitely say it was anti-patriarchy. So what I'm trying to say is Well, he said you have to squint I guess I haven't heard that it's anti-patriarchy. I heard it's just anti-men. Yeah Yeah, I've heard that too Haldo could have been a talking pork and the story would have played out the same No, it wouldn't know what even People would have obviously questioned the leadership Who wouldn't have played out the same if it was a pork like now people would have been like, um Who are you? The vice admiral pole glow is taking over You know, it's funny vice admiral pole glow before this movie came out Everyone was telling me that the porgs were like vicious little monsters But all they do is like sob when Chewbacca eats one of them I'd love it if it was like they would be running away, you know, like they'd be trying to get away from I would I would hire a pole govaholdo. Yes. I do agree with that though I yeah, I they probably you can probably pay him like 77 cents for Are you paying him more for a human dollar if he was a he pulled rather than a she pulled That's true. I I predicted an episode nine the porg are going to be is it porg or porg? the But they have a group of multiple a group of multiple porgs Okay, in in episode nine the porgs are gonna be basically like the ewoks. They're gonna be armed And and they're gonna be pissed because Chewie ate one of them Yeah, the entire big arc between them and Chewie gets eaten alive by them at the end It's really yeah, I don't the porg Chewie arc, but maybe I don't know who knows And it's gonna be a message about hope and failure Zoltron and they they form together and they stick together and they create one super porg This is super if in the trailer for episode nine We have an army of porgs and ewoks fighting against armies of wookies. We'll just be like, yeah, that seems reasonable I'm like yeah, sure I'm sure the porn will be great whenever You have to see an anti-patriarchy message Holdo could have been a talking porg and the story would have played out the same Another big issue people have is that the canto bite side quest a little bit more Time but actually makes things worse Yeah, it's down by it is absolutely a waste of time makes things worse It depends what you mean by things I mean every element of this movie it makes the film worse sure But if he's saying like it makes whatever's going on in the film Well, yeah, I guess it does because they accidentally reveal that fucking weird dog thing that's hovering by its bubble butt On the right. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh my god. Whoa Yeah, like go back just like I like I never I never go to here. I'm gonna go to 20 I haven't never seen that. Oh, that's fantastic. That's the point.  First. That's the point. That's what this is I can't see it now. Wait, did he just say it's supposed to waste time? Um, or is he referring to I'm glad they wasted time at canto bite instead of like developing backstories or characters or relationship He said not only a waste of time, but makes another big issue people have is that the canto bite side quest Not only is a waste of time, but actually makes things worse first. That's the point Oh If the point okay, if the point of canto bite was to make the film worse Then I It succeeded with flying colors, man. Yeah, but I thought the theme of the film was failure.   I would be terrified. I would shoot it.  You feel like You're just like no, I no I I I feel like it might make I would much rather that sounds I'd much rather the turkish guy next to it Came up to me instead of it like it floats up behind you Just on your computer. It just slowly runs its hand on your face Oh my god, and you can hear it farting to fill the bag back up because it's It's like those horrible aliens in dead space where you have to go into like the uh I don't remember what this part of the ship is but They make the air toxic and you gotta stomp them to kill them Oh, right. Yeah Yeah, you don't have to stomp them you can shoot them Well, yeah, but it's more it's better to Yeah, it's better to just stomp it Since they don't fight back anyway Someone said it speaks cursive Thank you, Ryan for creating the creepiest alien in the castle So that's the point that's what this middle chapter is supposed to do Plus it was a learning moment for po about I can't believe he's standing by that. It's like it's a waste of time That's the point it's supposed to do. It's like what what? Oh That's That's a win It was a it was a learning moment for po trusting leadership Which yeah, you can say it so vaguely but we've been over how that doesn't make any sense It's like no, no, no, it wasn't pretending to be retarded.  You haven't played mass effect. No Wow, sorry Stop it three. What's wrong with you? Well, with a gas pack Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the little bitty.   Do you have a doctor to patch up my gas bag? I hear quite a lot right now You gotta be ended. You gotta be ended Oh, no a little poop came in Some claws maybe This is this is this is what efab's all about. It's about family Trusting leadership and fin for realizing that there's more going on in the galaxy than just where's ray There's more going on in the galaxy than just where's ray Because that is arc learning that ray isn't the center of the universe like he already knew before he met ray Brass been a straws there lee and not to mention that fin uh learns He if you remember the scene he's like, hey, man, you stole this ship But at least you stole it from the bad guys and you're helping the good guys And then the guy is like there are no bad guys or good guys idiot and then he's like, hmm I'm from there. He becomes super invested in the good guys like, oh It seems like the opposite should have happened, but okay What if telling argument there are no good and bad? That's all in a spectrum. Well good. It is for me I agree with you. It doesn't matter. So I'll be good But more importantly what annoys me is how some seem to completely ignore Essentially the same thing happening in empire. Oh leahan chewy and doing it again so many people do this No It's it's uh, it's called what aboutism When you say this thing isn't another thing therefore this thing isn't bad, but um for one context two not an argument So let's see what the context for this is Prepo go on their own save the world mission and get betrayed and captured creating a situation Where luke has to abandon his training and then loses a hand bad plans failing badly has always been a huge part of star wars Do do we need to say anything about this? I will say that shot of yoda It just reminded me of how much better he in the ot is compared to his cameo in the last Jedi Yeah, I don't know what they did in in the new ones, but his ot puppet for some reason just can't be replicated apparently I wonder what they did with the original ot Yeah, uh Did you guys realize by the way? I thought it was really cool. The last Jedi is essentially the exact same film as indiana jones It has characters They travel to different places Towards the end the bad guys are kind of killed or hurt and the good guys have you know taken some injuries along the way And you do see a couple of shots of different areas and different people and people talk There's a couple of others. There's people wear clothes. That's another one Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah this sand maybe Is there any sand in one of the indian a couple indians beach this beach uncounted bikes Indiana jones that it ripped out my heart uh, there is You see snook has like eyebrows, but they He's got eyebrows someone has eyebrows in indiana jones. I can't think of the character, but they do At least doesn't have a unibrow like quintin. Hey, he's combing that thing. He's he's grooming it out He's getting it out He's grooming his unibrow Version was snook. I genuinely loved when kylo followed through with ending him. That was a great twist Oh, yeah, it was a great twist that the sith apprentice kills the sith lord Yeah, nobody ever see welcome again He's just ignoring the actual argument and I say actual very very intentionally there. It's like it's not it's not The snook died. It's that we don't shit all about snook He says this is though the movies the darth the entire point of the darth bane Books or the force unleashed. I think kotor might have mentioned it The whole point is that the sith kill each other all the time.  I suppose. Yeah I know that in the darth bane books and you got a little bit unleashed with how uh, palpatine wants him to kill duku You know, I can that's that's true And duku also was like we can destroy Yeah, uh, yeah and technically vader does it in the ot if we could destroy the emperor How is kylo killing snook even a twist like it's just an unexpected occurrence But a twist is something that like recontextualizes the previous occurrences in the film, right?  He's like. Oh, he he killed stoke, right? Oh, no ER's legend of horror part four got taken down. Oh, that's two down already and it's not even been a day It's not even been like two hours. Well, it might have been two hours, but Did he did he do it or was it someone else who did it? I doubt he'd have done it those videos have been up for years Yeah, the other one was after years I remember the legend of cora part four you got re-uploaded before but then you managed to get it back on youtube Is it big like would you get this info from just curious? I just saw it in the chat and Hold on i'm looking it up Uh Yeah, it's down that's down Oh, wait, which part part two. No, no wait part four He's gone. It looks like it might have been the re-upload that is still up Part three is uh, legend of horror. I can still see part four. They're all up. Yeah, they're all up one through four up Chat lied then Well, because what happened uh, unless they're talking about what he called the the one about uh re-nigging I forgot what his name is. Yeah, whatever the different the one that isn't about cora, but it's still Yeah, it's still technically cora. It's like the second season I think that's one that he had to re-upload it because I can only see part three of that one It looks like the re-upload is still up on vid me Is it Yeah, because the description says good news viacom. It's a great bag of dicks, but Again, like sorry just to make so clarity He had part one part two part three part four Part four got knocked down for copyright and he re-uploaded it on vid me and then he got it through copyright And part four ended up on youtube as well, but now I can't see it on youtube I can see it I just went through them all part four of Is uh the re-niggings one Yes, oh, yeah, I just saw that I don't know about that. Are you sure because part the part four this up right now is one minute long And it directs you to the the re-upload Really hold on because I I just looked up, um Let me find it again. There's a playlist And yeah, it says 42 minutes 12 seconds. Oh, okay. Well if that video is still up, then yeah, it's fine. I can't see it on his channel, though Yeah, I I don't know. Maybe it was on a different I mean this playlist is isn't by er. It's by somebody else I was gonna say if it's real look either way he'll tweet about it if it's actually happened So we'll get info on that. I'll I'll leave his I've got a second monitor I'll just leave his twitter up so I can see if he tweets out about it while we're doing this And make sure when I when I clicked on it it started playing so I don't know Was it uh, well, it doesn't matter. Like I said, we'll find out the truth, but I'm concerned That uh, if he gets the triple strike then his channel goes and then he's got one Oh man this Just leave er alone guy I mean really he can't make jokes Is that what we're at?  We've been at that for years. Yeah, let's see Why I mean, I know it's been going on for years pisses me off Yeah, it seems like it's gotten way worse recently though It does it kind of does it's like the normal people seem more and more against it But is the people it's like all the strings that just seem more and more for it. The division is getting way more Obvious, you know, I always I was considered myself to the left of politics But like it seems like every year it's like I'm just being shoved far right From the way that people are acting and just like the lines being moved, isn't it? Where the let's say the furthest left the furthest right the line keeps getting pushed further to the right as if No, it's to the left. Sorry. So anything further left of x is right No But yeah, it's like okay. It's like just It's like okay, if you support Stalin and think he's a great guy You're left if you don't then you're all right Yeah, not even right all right, but uh Anyway as weird as the segue that is back on with star wars Huge part of star wars the other big subversion was snoke I genuinely loved when kylo followed through with ending him That was a great twist and i'm really thankful.  You just saw our tlj fist, okay Once he does that we'll be fine, but without kylo claiming his throne I'd already seen his dynamic play out I want something different and i'm sorry just because we live in the age of internet theorizing doesn't make the fact That characters backstories aren't explored the filmmakers problem Who else's problem would it be? When jedi ended and the emperor was dead, how much did you know about him? The emperor and snoke are different characters Did it really matter or was he just a foil? He was the leader of the empire Snoke is the leader of the first order that rose from the ashes of the empire We need to know how that was possible and where he came from How many times do we have to explain this? Not the same thing I'm not saying this film doesn't have problems without perfect solutions It's hard to explain why we've never seen anyone hyperspace ram another ship before even if there has to be a first time for everything Though like off the top of my head That's ridiculous to think that no one in the thousands and thousands of years.  A straw no no no because people use straw man Let's see you've got a plushie Let me change my question to the money out of the working class a tool that cannot be used as a weapon Maybe this this will feed into a point, but can that be answered? I mean, um, it's like the the point is that People will try to militarize Everything and find out how they can gain a strategic Bomb bomb is a tool that's never been used as a weapon What about bullets? We haven't used jared as a weapon yet The only thing I'm gonna say is that you seriously underestimate humanity when you question whether or not they would have tried to weaponize something Like hyperspace. Oh, what do you mean? It ain't just humanity What is it? Well, every other This is about some alien species that just appears human ish. Oh, no, it's it's not just humanity. It's every other species Oh, right. Yeah, um The the idea that they go well, it made difference in Star Wars between Earth humanity and stuff like that is that most character most species most life Doesn't like to weaponize things. That's the major difference like oh Also by Rex Also, hi Rex. Hello. What's that? What's going on here? Um, are you guys doing? Yeah, the the major difference galaxy humans haven't yet developed tools They just sort of found a few things lying around and they just sort of fly around Again with the the nor the fact that it's called star wars the possible Like exposition dump we could get in the next episode. They just go Man a company holder did that has no one ever tried that before and this one goes known as ever tried that before Wow That's amazing that no one's ever tried that before. Yeah, no one's tried that before and they look at the camera No one would have ever imagined the force must have been suppressing their will to try that Until the right time See you're saying it's canon that no one's tried that before like we're being too overt with this They could develop some kind of shield that's based off a hyperspace engine That creates a wormhole that will just make a lightspeed ship pass right by you lightspeed weapons aren't the end all what You just suggest That to counter lightspeed kamikaze's in future We can now develop shields that create a lightspace wormhole that prevent people from being able to kamikaze into you How about We just never do this again. Do you know what I was supposed to address how nobody had done it before though I think that was a He used that as just like a side argument Go back just a little bit like because he said just off the top of my head like just go back Sorry just because we live in the age of internet theorizing doesn't make the fact that characters backstories aren't explored the filmmakers problem When jedi ended and the emperor was dead. How much did you know about him? Did it really matter or was he just a foil?   They go off the top of my head They could develop some kind of shield as an explanation for why nobody's done it before Yeah, he's put though which implies it's a a continuation of the previous thing. He just said which Is the other I don't think I'm not sure he meant for that to happen But yeah with the way you just delivered that and you can't pull off the top of my head thing after saying you wrote this over a year They could develop a shield that makes it so that when you hyperspace through they get warped through you And as some people have already mentioned in chat spat out the other side It's like creating bullets that go through Seven million inches of steel I I'm honestly not seeing how else you're interpreting it though than what I said because like It's hard to explain how nobody's ever come up with the idea to do this before they're off the top of my head They could develop some kind of shield. Well if we go back this thing that hasn't been done before That no one's ever thought of it's um Yeah, it's like if they if they are coming up with a defense for it They are obviously thinking of it being used as a weapon in terms of structure I think he's got point and then addition and then counter to point So It's hard to explain. We've never seen this before. I suppose round on the ship before point Even if it has to be a first time for everything That's a bonus to the point and then though he's applying it to the original point not the bonus even if I think that's what he's doing. The original point was that we've never seen anyone do it before So We've never seen anyone do it before And oh, no, sorry. You're right. You're right.  He shouldn't have began it with though He should have just it should have just been a its own statement got me logic Fucking so weirdo with is better than English than I see I'm still good So this he didn't say anything about it, but I just looked at er's twitter And this Hassan guy who like wrote that article Hassan piker.  Of course Thank i'm pretty sure So for those of you don't know Hassan pikers with the young turks. He is chenkyuger's nephew, I believe So Devin tracy refers to him as uh, brown fabio I don't even say If it wasn't uh, if it wasn't an er Er, uh, steven universe video.   It's like anime or bad anime. I should say They just outclass each other's mechs all the time or something though Yeah, level off the level of my head they could develop I have a better gun now. I have better armor now. Well, I have even better armor the gun now I have a gun better with armor to bob it a bit Yeah, well, I have better armor times infinity times two Oh, yeah, but mine's plus eight Shit build that's based off a hyperspace engine that creates a wormhole that will just make a light speed ship pass right by I can't believe he honestly suggests that Oh, you're gonna charge it You know, I've seen this clip so many times over the course of this video now that I just can't help but ask Why are these tie fighters flying right in front of the shield that the ships are all shooting at? Look how close those explosions are Like it never occurred to me before but he's played this clip so many damn times. It's just like wait a minute Is this That's another problem It's great every time we watch a tlj video. We're finding new things that are wrong with it.  So it's a copyright claim that is down Okay, that's kind of Convenient good news in a weird way like well It's really odd that must be connected, right? This is this weirdly coincidental is what I'm very curious very curious the timing Whatever Light speed weapons aren't the end all someone could also very easily explain that the stars align just right The stars align just the distances were just perfect. Oh come on.  It's not so bad It could have just been one of those one in a million shots You can't repeat That she really just did the stars aligned Wasn't this this was like the the end point of the big brilliant plan to save everyone and get them to this planet Was a one in a million shot That could never be repeated She doesn't even she's not even a jedi Like the idea that you could get the force as a boat is Yeah, maybe she is you don't know. That's true.  It's like, I don't know everything You know all the stuff that needs to happen for this thing And someone just highlighted if it was a one in a million chance why would huck's act so terrified when she turns the ship There's no way they'll be able to crash Yeah, you'd be like it's one in a million shot That has the same chance as a lottery ticket who cares and then it just crashes right into something like for fuck's sake Like well shit, that's a million target That probably can't be repeated with any consistency. I know i'm fixing a genuine problem My point is just that it doesn't have to break star wars What do you mean it doesn't have to in the in the next movie? What will people ask if there's ever another space battle ever for star wars? I don't I love how he doesn't have to break it. It's like your suggestions for fixes are breaking star wars even more It's broken now and it's not like it was never broken to begin with the prequels break things the ot I'm trying to think if the ot breaks anything could you could you call anything that happens in the ot a break? or stretch I think stuff from the first part of turn of the Jedi like in the Doesn't really make sense. It doesn't really break any more.  I don't know. I mean, maybe he got more piloting in between Solo a star wars solo solo story.  I hope so. It'll be so funny. We need an even bigger super weapon It can beat the death galaxy It will be called the boulder dash And then no point in comparing to actual situations where the odds are against them in other parts of the films Because this is something he's invented. He's just said the odds were against hold up, but he's got no tangible Numbers for this it's like why are the why are the odds against them in an asteroid field? It's like because they have to avoid the asteroids. That's pretty straightforward. Why one in a million? Yeah, but to be like why is holder against the odds like I don't know if she just is apparently Yeah, because you know, there's rules about this guy's face. I guess he does not think this is a one in a million chance Someone just needs to break it in the other direction. I'll I'm picturing a guy breaks his arm and someone goes i'll fix it and breaks I Is your okay? It's like that part in the third harry potter where the guy's like don't Sit up like 11 times. Oh, right. Yeah, the noodle arm Yeah, uh, uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah I can't remember his name Is it lupin or was it someone else lupin was uh, I know the guy's name. Oh, no, this is the second movie Come on chat I haven't watched the movies in like two years. Please don't have it. Um, one chat No, no, no, wait, it was the second movie. Yeah, it was in the second movie because it was the dude that they Made lose his memories when they pushed him down the hole. All right.  That's it. That's it kill the roy lockhart Someone's a double tool It was Kenneth Branagh.  Hey man, the lion king is basically just hamlet with animals That's your that's like your opinion man. Oh my god. Are you kidding me? That guy's drawn another picture I'm assuming it's the same guy. I don't know. I'd have to check but uh No way Oh my god That's it.  I was talking about he nailed it perfectly in in the bubble You could like make out a vague face that's screaming or something It's like several captured souls inside the bubble Like from fellowship of the ring when you first see the uh rikai in the mud Yeah, you just see this like face writhing around in it Hello there. Oh my god. He touched you with my salad finger Okay, can we just like promote this guy to like Instamima Bowen dragon Bowen dragon, you win you win. You've made too many incredible drawings to me like e-fap memes as a channel on my discord at this point Meme fap you should have a channel like this on channel to have a ritualist art thing Okay, I'm making note of that meme fap. That's a good idea I'm gonna say that that was my idea of rags. Is that okay? Yeah, I'm gonna steal it from you and future ideas from you as well I'm just gonna steal everything from you. Is that okay? Oh, yeah, that's fine. That's great. All right. Oh my case is not. Oh, there we go uh Oh, no, I think I think my watch together is breaking Again, you guys can still hear me, right? Yeah. Well, it seems to happen whenever my chat's frozen as well It must be because I I don't know looked at the meme It does you can't you can't do that That creature is infesting your computer. It's currently like breathing. It's sacking to your hard drive It's funny because the chat On my stream is connected directly like from obs to the actual source So that's still going but my chat isn't I can't even get my dashboard back up. That's lame Well, we can talk for a bit until my computer catches up because something's wrong So when you said every pause a meme I mean, it's probably just gonna be the name of the channel.   That's true So I'm uh, yeah, I still hasn't loaded back up. That's a bit turning Wartime Cumberdale Are you not familiar with the choice of rusty spoons? No Stop it Now we get to apply that voice to that horrifying little monster Rags, why'd you have to even point it out? Why'd you have to find it? Um, you know what? I can just I'll just read some super chats and and hope by if I reach the head of the Everything kicks back in as soon as my chat starts working. I know that it'll be fixed so um Doop doop do do Uh person a so objectively a plus b equals b plus a you can't argue with that. Yeah person b That's just an argument with ignorance fallacy person a oh no Yeah, this is how I feel sometimes Uh, hope er didn't just get pews channel nuked again. Well, we'll have to see how this unfolds Honestly, it's gonna be interesting because pewdiepie's Possibly going to address it. Who knows? He does seem to address a lot of things that happen. So Um great things tlj nothing. It's not a mess. You can polish the turd the visuals. It's still a turd I agree if you have to turn your brain off to enjoy this film to tlj fans Just forget to turn their brains back on when defending it because it seems that way I don't think I've ever heard of tlj defenders say you can only enjoy this film if you turn your brain off though I don't think they'd admit that because that would be pretty awkward, wouldn't it? um Cinema wins replied to me on his video, but when I pointed out he was misconstruing arguments He didn't reply kotor 2 is great. By the way, played if you haven't I'm gonna get to it one day. I swear disney steele. Yes, kotor um disney steals most of the new lore editions from legends and then puts all the best stuff in the cartoons The movies just don't have the heart in them anymore I agree Ray goes into the dark side head first literally and nothing happens But my friends love this movie one said don't expect a star wars movie That sounds like the quinted logic. It's like that's only a sequel if you interpret it that way It's only the dark side.  This is better than your children What do you have to say to that logic? Why is this all playing again?  They could always give a shot. So like yeah, I don't know. I just I'm just like a debunker Oh, I do like I don't know religion just basically mostly Unlike a fedora tipping 80s with an extremely tall fedora. It's true. Otherwise known as a top hat He's a wonderful sense of humor Black mass code always willing to have a chat, you know, he's not like a hater. He's not one of those guys But don't worry about that. Yeah Yeah, no, I'm totally a hater that Just goes around and and hurls insults at the religious and people who like the last jedi. That's what I am Specific targets for some reasons. Why those are my only two People that I have any problems with In terms of their beliefs. Yep. Yep. That's it. But uh I mean, whatever it's been that was a lot of fun Um, I hope I hope you've had fun as well. We'll have you on some of the time Maybe maybe next time change up the topic something that you uh Have a lot more investment in I don't know Yeah, well, you know I have some investment, but like I don't have I don't have eight hours of things to say so I've been kind of quiet Bullshit Why you hold now is honest Yeah Do you even have the time, you know, like, you know, my office is out here in the living room now And so like I'll have people come to talk to me and then I mute out for a while This is the problem with having having a family Yeah, that is a Against that dude family If I've learned anything from star wars family is about pain failure and betrayal. So Yeah, all the families end up dying. So the last jedi taught me this, okay Very good film. You misunderstand its themes The themes. Yeah, all the themes all the skywalkers are dead It's like all right. Well, anyway, have fun with how much feels bad bad Or that the next uh, you have eight minutes left. So, um That's about three hours left of this hangout. So totally What do you have? Have you got anything new coming up that you could maybe be like Cell I don't know Mmm There you go, I could get there you go, there's a bunch of links three in a row for some reason It makes it so you just see it easier In the future, we'll have to introduce you to the wonders of jared genesis. You'll that sounds fun You'll love him. That sounds like a good time Be a great time. We've never not laughed to you know Having heart attacks while watching a jared video Jared is a very special person and uh, you should definitely have money podcasts on poise wolf Oh, I will you should talk about god with him Oh, yeah, he's a god-believer Oh, okay, so we can talk about both at once. He's one of the god-believer people We can talk about the jesus themes in the last jedi. That should be a good time Please Cool. All right. Well. See you and see you. Goodbye. See you The jared is what a nid Oh, look at me. I'm a guy with top hat.  Yeah, that'll that'll work just fine. All right, but yeah, uh, check out his channel if you want he does Religious debunking videos. I think he's he wants to consider branching out to meteor at some point He's actually said he wouldn't mind making a second channel potentially from it Which would be cool Because I think uh, logic has a lot of interesting perspectives. I've actually he's one of the Earlier channels I ever saw on youtube only enough, which was neat or at least um I Think he was one of the earlier ones when I was looking into like more debate stuff Um, I don't know about you guys, but uh, it's interesting because he's he's just so like classic youtube in a way Before before the dark times Before the ad apocalypse Before the PewDiePie Why we've never seen anyone hyperspace ram another ship before even if there has to be a first All right, what is it supposed to be playing? Yeah, god I'm just gonna make sure I want to make sure that you are here for this My head they could develop some kind of shield that's based off a hyperspace engine I can't get over those high fighters flying right in Then normally that dude they flying so close to the shield itself Yeah, what if they like accidentally like nicked it? I will just make a light speed ship pass right by you light speed weapons aren't the end all Someone could also very easily explain that the stars aligned just right the distances were just perfect And she really just hit a one in a million target that probably can't be repeated with any consistency I know i'm fixing a genuine problem My point is just that it doesn't have to break star wars. Someone just needs to break it in the other direction How that works I'll admit that the slow speed chase leaves a little to be desired And I feel like there were solutions the first order just ignored like send a destroyer ahead at light speed And then have them come back from the We gave this argument I hit everything and he was like yeah, but it doesn't destroy the film. It's like it precisely destroys the film All right, it doesn't destroy the film before this point Well the film does a great job of destroying it in every single scene so this From instead of putting it in space let's put it on a street a very wide and mile long street You're like we can zap forward With to find this one car. That's all we're trying to do. We have 12 cars So and they all have the ability to zap forward at any speed or direction Let's all zap in the exact same position 10 meters behind the car. We're after Yeah, you know how cops today they'll like put down spikes on the road in front of a like speeding car to stop them No, it's globalist propaganda. Oh gotcha Anti-individualism to The other side, but who knows maybe it was just easier to wait them out Why enter into a battle when you can just blow up a dead in the water ship? The intricacies of space Sorry, we need to hear that one again. I missed that. Yeah, I think we need to feel like There were solutions the first order just ignored like send a destroyer ahead at light speed and then have them come back from the other side Who knows maybe it was just easier to wait them out easier to wait them out What?  They kind of lost a lot at the time I was like, what are you doing? Oh, we're just following them at the exact same speed that we're moving And we're just plinking away at them until they eventually run out of fuel Like could if they just sent like one of the smaller star destroyers to hyperspeed right through it No, they all all of those ships move at the exact same speed. That makes complete. They could use hyperspeed No, because Um Just you know because hyper fuel is very expensive What? No It's no a guffin. No, it makes sense. You just don't like it. That's all it is. You just want to live in sin.   Come on guys.  Pick one kind of both Pull an artificial gravity and every sci-fi part of this film have always been wonky.  Does it mean it's not science fiction Why is it that people like to change the genre whenever it benefits their argument benefits them? Yeah, and it's also a kid's film whatever benefits them Yeah, it's just it's for kids. Oh, it's very serious. It has very big They do the same thing with black panther. They're like you don't like fantasy. It's like it's not even really fantasy It's like horrible sci-fi doesn't have rules though as if fantasy doesn't have consistency Yeah, Lord of the Rings has rules. That's fantasy. Lord of the Rings never had good writing boo. Oh, okay Um, yeah, it's one of the commentary tracks rich Evans says while they do the red land meteory system and like um It only ever becomes a children's film when things don't make sense up to that point. It's not a kid's film It's fine. It's you know, it's forever. It's like the second things don't make sense. This is meant for kids That's super serious It is both simultaneously a children's film that doesn't have to make any sense whatsoever and at the same time it is also a very deep and meaningful film that's full of themes And literary, you know, you know sections that are put together in an intricate way to tell a an involved and depthful story Yeah, I'm sure kids will understand the complexity of luke discovering within himself a lack of confidence in his own religion like What does that even mean to them? Hi, that means How strange that the orcs have a word for me. So it really doesn't bother me. We didn't ask if it bothers you It doesn't bother me It's just a friend. It doesn't bother me that the orcs have a word for me device Hey, come on. There's the isengard buffet They have menus for that I just it's like that. He's like Writing it off as if when the writer has to come up with a framing device or a vehicle feel like we have two conversations happening right now Oh, maybe we do We're talking We're talking about the orcs having a word for menu. Oh And you're talking about I mean, they're the same thing really Like yeah, they're both fantasy, right? Yeah, they're both fantasy. They don't have rules Um, yeah, I mean so a buffet would still have like a drink menu Well, that would just be that human meat squeezed into a juice A human meat juice. Would you like a human kebab or human burger? They clank the glasses say looks like meat juices back all the bad you who makes complete sense Too fair squeezing out human meat juice is my idea of a good saturday night, but we don't get too far into that That is wonderful.  That's like your opinion though.    If he was arrogant, he would destroy them as quickly and swiftly as possible in the laugh while he did it And besides the thing is what could happen anything could happen Who knows what unexpected thing could happen and does end up happening If you have the enemy in your palm of your hand, you destroy them you crush them You don't give them chance to have some miracle occur The lose really they also could have made hold those reason for keeping the plan from po more apparent And this could just have maybe been handled differently outside of a slow speed chase I will say that the obsession with fuel being the catalyst for the story is weird as if problems with ships have never come up before I mean, it's a running gag that han couldn't engage the hyperdrive when he needed to R2 was always fixing shields the phantom menace only ends up on tatooine because of some part they needed fuel is just another component Oh, so he's saying like why are you complaining about fuel when we've always had ship things that go wrong? um, I suppose The problem for us is it seems arbitrary like the film was like, yeah, we're running out of fuel now It's like oh, we're out of fuel now Since when and it's like we just are And it isn't like you refuel It's like oh, we're right. We're running out of fuel. We're almost doomed. Not we can get a new part. We can fix it It's mentioned in the main series. I'm really trying not to be dismissive here, but some of these come trying not to be dismissive Plans make it hard The real point I want to convey is that if you want to start picking apart star wars And you want to not be hypocritical about it. You need to go back to the beginning I don't know how much you can say about being not hypocritical there mr. Cinema wins Also When we're talking about the last jedi and you want to say oh, but we're really talking about star wars as a whole is like no No, we're not we're not doing that. We're talking about the last jedi Seems seems like he has a lot of selection of things that are most convenient at the time for explaining how this film works as well You see the thing is you can't even if we Let's say we go with his example and say in episode Three that's what that happens is yeah, if we say it's bad in that that doesn't mean it's not bad here It still could be shit here, too If it doesn't make sense elsewhere that doesn't make make it more sensible here Start with fundamentals things like why would the gunner for these bombers need to be anywhere near the actual turret? He's in a giant glass ball outside of the ship in that same vein They can't remotely control these ships that are about to be destroyed or like since it's Wait, is he presenting? I'm confused. What do you do? Is he is he leading into saying none of this matters? Is that going to be the conclusion? I don't know how to fuel just let it float until it stops not gonna stop Reason is that it's established star wars lore, but no No, no, it's not no The reason is that it's established star wars lore decisions were made early on to look cool instead of being practical That is an a-wing What's the difference? Oh, no, sorry that was an a-wing anna. I think there might have been a b-wing there, too Um, go back go back Bring back trying to mom because if I seriously just saw a b-wing Giant glass ball. I have a ship in that same vein and they can't remotely control these ships that are about to be destroyed Or like since it's out of fuel, just let it float until it stops The reason is that it's established star wars lore decisions It's not the okay. Um, yeah, those are a-wings.  Okay Made early on to look cool over being sifting through my star wars battlefront knowledge trying to figure out Which of these ships are but it's not their looks that is the problem. It's their capability. That's the problem and they use them anyway 90 percent of the shots made by the gunner on the bottom of the falcon make absolutely no sense What is he the shots made by the gunner on the bottom of the falcon make absolutely no sense How what percentage of shots do you think hit their target? What what is he suggesting? I'm confused What does he mean by it doesn't make sense Someone said the arguments are worse than tommy wise those acting I don't what does he say 90 percent of the you can't have bad aim? I don't I don't know if that's his point. I don't know what his point is with that Ablished star wars lore decisions were made early on to look cool over being practical Yeah, but not being as practical as possible doesn't mean that they are actively impractical He's saying the falcons guns are in a horrible shot 90 percent of the shot. They have a screen though. It's not just based on their outside aim Like from what they see it's they got a little screen Shots made by the gunner on the bottom of the falcon make absolutely no sense. Don't Why though I'm I'm genuinely interested and I'm seeing if it doesn't make sense that three type fires would line up as she Crested the ridge. I agree with that, but that's this film Is if he's actually criticizing this film's falcon Not accuracy. Sure. I'll go along with that The ad ads are like the dumbest version of tanks ever They're on wobbly way too tall legs super slow and their heads where they shoot lasers from barely move their Uh, they do exactly what they need to They're they're they're pretty strong. Yeah, they yeah, they definitely have design flaws, but they seem to be effective in the film I suppose that's the question, isn't it like If they achieve what they were designed for then perhaps We should be more lenient with them But to be like all they do that with the bomber it's like at the cost of all of them and not only because they were lucky Every time we've seen at at's use they're used for assaulting a stationary position He's talking about the perspective of the turrets in the falcon when when in the turret their sideways when viewed from outside They're vertical So a An editing inconsistency. Yeah, I'm still not quite following on that one Vulnerable from every direction that is real quick. I hate to do this to you guys, but I actually got Exams tomorrow pretty early.  Why they already they probably already know you're gay what Well regs you and me have already established this over the past several months, but No, we uh Yeah, well, it's it'll be fun because it's my last Foray into college ever Yeah, which well no not necessarily I still got a job, but But it yeah, it'll be nice to not have to do it, but I should probably pass the classes Or exams rather, but yeah, so it's all right hate to do it. You we allow you to leave wolf.  I will disparage you Okay, but I wouldn't do that until you're gone.  Well, absolutely. We would never do that to your face. Good Yeah, of course Oh the chains in the whips are for rags after all Yeah, I don't need them Yeah, well, uh, yeah, I'll see you guys later. See you later See you later chat with you and your creepy photo shops and pictures.  I am sure let's do it Head on this isn't meant to ruin star wars for you. My point is that none of this I don't think anything is meant to ruin it I don't think they make something with the intention of ruining it for you The terrible design of the bombers does matter like a terrible design of things Like a good example would be the guns on top of the dreadnought. They're terrible odd design That's apparently regressive technology wise It does matter because one ship can take them all out Which means that the bombers can come in even though The bombers get shredded by fighters anyway in the surface cannons or It all spirals together Things affect one another none of the capabilities of individual pieces All come together to make excuses for why they need to have this plot happen I can't take him seriously When he's telling us none of this matters when he's just been going over all the arguments for why it's okay It does make sense. It does matter So come on man pick one and the besides the functionality of weaponry will absolutely affect the stakes If a lightsaber just stopped working you don't go. No, it's fine.  Well, these are our capabilities. We have to come up with a plan Yeah, it's nice and simple like episode six.  You don't suddenly go one of the guns doesn't work quite right on the x-wing though That's that doesn't matter because it's like it doesn't change anything whether or not it did. That's the important point Okay Okay Crap matters hate the last Jedi because of tone and style and whatever else but stop with the inconceivables lightsabers make no sense Yeah, they do I mean it doesn't even matter as long as they're consistent Exactly as long as they're consistent Also, do you see that shot? It looks like a hand is touching the saber light there I don't know if it's the same frame for you, but I noticed in a lot of her grips. She holds it really close To the end. I've never So maybe it's just the blur and the quality of the footage and the speed of her motion In addition to defending Kelly Marie Tran, I have nice things to say about ryan But first I can't defend this you basically tattooed please at me on your forehead with that one ryan I've never found much evidence to support it But there seems to be a general consensus that ryan and disney were dismissive of fans who didn't like the film and wrote All complaints off as anti feminism or anti inclusion That's no good if it's true at the same time ryan's human and allowed to have emotional responses when people attack His work and obviously once his cast tell us about your comment section I I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. I'm just like fine fine fine Like ryan's human needs a lot to have emotional responses like who said he wasn't Yeah, but he is very combative And he will not accept criticism as of his work is valid Some friends are being attacked all bets are off But everything I read and watched and listened to from ryan shows me He really is a star wars fan who was trying to make the best movie he could to excite the fan I don't think he's a star wars fan I feel like he was annoyed With how star wars had become entrenched in his own in mind as to what it is I wanted to completely break down all of the things you expect about star wars And yeah, I see this movie and i'm like, why does he hate star wars so much?  I mean possibly a very weird way of showing your fandom though Maybe not please the fans, but he was trying to add to star wars rather than just rehash what we've already seen So thank you for what digging himself For that ryan and even though he was writer director you and I both know that every major decision had to be signed off on We don't know that What is he saying that ryan's not responsible then is that what is that his point? Yeah, even though he's the only credited writer director, it's not like he Is not all his fault that's ridiculous and just it's not like people are saying that there's not additional people who are responsible for the creative decisions However, he is the guy who wrote the script And really that's my biggest problem now that it's clear there was no plan from the beginning Uh, it's clear there was a plan from the beginning and you you made this video a couple days ago So you should know that Daisy Ridley accidentally I say accidentally because I'm sure they didn't want this public but JJ had plans ryan ignored them To be fair there was no plan for the original trilogy and that turned out fine But JJ and disney knew they were making a trilogy and had an opportunity to at least outline I love that he's already counted his own point there as well The fact that there's no plan doesn't mean you should have bad films All right, so explain this whole film Story beats and they didn't or ryan threw them out. There's conflicting information on that. Maybe it's too hard to play this I would not stop you Now he's saying this I thought he just said that he started with nothing and now he's saying he's conflicting. I want to go back Say your information is really is a star wars fan who was trying to make the best movie He could to excite the fans Maybe not please the fans, but he was trying to add to star wars rather than just rehash what we've already seen So thank you So but if anything that just shows And this means that you have to admit he's a failure Because if his plan Is to excite the fans make them excited for star wars Then he's single-handedly Done what no one else has done. I'm sure a cool movie has done to star wars He has ruined it for an insane amount of people I am sure that he would argue as long as he makes one fan excited then he was successful in some way In some way In some way For that ryan and even though he was writer director you and I both know that every major decision had to be signed off on No, and really that's my biggest problem now that it's clear. There was no plan from the beginning shows So, yeah, just keep keep that. I don't know It was it was clear there was no plan from the beginning to be fair There was no plan for the original trilogy and that turned out fine But jj and disney knew they were making a trilogy and had an opportunity to at least outline story beats And they didn't or ryan threw them out. There's conflicting information So he said it's clear.  House The youtubers the youtubers has ruined it it Come on. It's also interesting that everyone kind of glommed on to the bad guys commission Especially when he can't even do it himself It doesn't matter. That's not why we latch on to that. We latch on to it because it's like a microcosm How ryan feels about star wars. It's awful advice and by the way people actually believed it was good advice who liked this film I've said it before but unfortunately Boogie's review of the film. He said it was it was something he kind of wants to live by The idea that you kill your past to get over it. It's like Okay So like, you know people who like this film took this message seriously So don't even start with people like me and rags or people who didn't like the film go in went too far with it I'm assuming his argument is going to be the film condemns this line of thinking but um I wouldn't say so myself He thinks killing daddy and mommy and uncle luke. He will do it, but that's not how that works I'm sorry. What?  He killed snoke. Who's clearly a part of his past and now he's able to be free Yeah, that's sort of film kind of supports that So yeah, i'm gonna have to disagree with you there Lee And the fact that he's so obsessed with killing the past a la allowing the skimsfeeder's approach by letting himself be tricked By his daddy's ship and then not noticing that luke is a projection. Look, I give luke a bunch. I don't know why he would have any particular connection to the millenium falcon Yeah, he said daddy's ship. I assumed it was ray. He was after rather than The ship itself. He does say blow that ship out of this guy, but ray is in the ship. So On top of that, it's still that's a part of how bad kylo's character is but um That doesn't even he's saying like you see and it and it made him lose track of the fact that they were attacking the canons Like you do remember the cannon was successful So his choice to do that didn't affect anything It's the um, it's like thematic versus mechanical Um, even though them thematic element is completely fucked He's just not paying attention to the mechanics of the scene of what actually happens Instead of just interpretive ship and then not noticing that luke is a projection Look, I give luke a bunch of credit But kylo isn't a tuned force user that could have sensed what was going on if he could just calm the force down But he's more obsessed with the past than anything else and then let's look at the evidence Ray keeps the jedi texts luke embraces his own legend even admits he was wrong about some stuff Even the og yeah, so I mean the film is conflicting it shows us that both You should both kill your past and embrace it. It's like, okay All right, thanks The master comes back and teaches luke some stuff about failure some stuff about failure Yeah, I agree.  Is that what we're asking once again Is that something that we're asking for? If you don't agree with his perspective, then you probably want this ridiculous hyperbolic opposite Yes, obviously what do you think he wants to do that? Do you think he can? I'm gonna stop asking rhetorical questions Because I know that you don't tarding questions Jesus I want to see this trilogy play out the same way as the original trilogy. Of course you don't I would have taken that Of what we got. I want to take yeah, I would have taken it I was like I'd rather see this two good things over than one good thing on one terrible thing We don't need kenobi skywalker and solo stories forever. It doesn't take a gene. Why'd you say this like we've had 10 movies with it The ot and that's it Okay, I mean the prequels were technically about anakin skywalker, but I don't I don't think that's fair He brings up the age of the actors. So yeah, this is the original trilogy He has to see the emperor luke invader stand-ins. This story could have played out exactly the same instead They wouldn't behave like this Ryan g And if he changed it that means it's good. He subverted your expectations. Just maybe not in the way you were Expecting why would you even try that? Yeah, I didn't expect it to be this shit Why would you even say that it's like the why not to not to breathe in the beam, but It's almost like the the standard response for defending the last Jedi you just weren't expecting what you wanted Good lord I don't know the way people hate this movie makes me feel like I can't possibly be a real star wars fan It's hard for me to understand because this is what I was expecting this garbage You're expecting this crap Damn well See but he watched a different film to us though because all those issues we've been highlighting they're not things that registered with him He he must have been watching some alternate universes The best way to enable this film's existence is to have a trilogy between this one and the ot that explains all the Shit that happened with the solo and skywalker families Then to drive luke into exile as a result or something like that and bring him back here and then correct all the contradictions And maybe you can get what was intended with this film done consistently, but I mean, we're not there. That's not what we can't Luke walked up to the dark side took a step over to beat his dad And then when the evilest bro in the universe yelled from the freaking far end of the dark side that he should join him He was like, yeah, nah, I'm good Yeah, just reference an old scene somehow that makes your argument for this film better Yeah, I guess yeah, that old stuff was good. So yeah, luke doesn't buy into his own status his own legend That makes what that didn't correlate even a little bit It's like, yeah, he he didn't want to go to the dark side. So luke doesn't buy into his own position as being a jedi It's a little non sequitur. Okay follow at all narrative sense to me and i'm sorry, but i'm thankful He wasn't super optimistic and chipper.   I guess I still just don't get the problem He starts out whiny then he's sad for a bit.  Leave the ot alone. This is embarrassing. Just don't talk about the ot And this is he's sad for a bit.  He's just had a bad case of the sads. He's just sad for a bit Exact character that carried over to the last jedi for me He's not just like back to normal after watching his dad die after he saved his life and then almost kill you What are you arguing for right now that he could be in any emotional state? That none of this affected him or that it It's not like jimmy christmas. I don't I just nephew because Because of his adherence to the light ironically dude goes into exile wants to be left alone Oh, it doesn't we caught that bit and it doesn't make sense part of the problem It makes no sense. That's what so many people have an iss