s money go away.   That's not what this is about. Just like, oh, I want money. But then, his daughter in the distance says, dad, why? Like, oh. Why did you telepunch my dad?  And yeah, so I think you can call that rock bottom. That is about as low as it gets. He owes everything. His mom is dying. His daughter just saw him beat up her own, like, well, the current dad, I guess.   And here comes Detective Man. Like, hey buddy, you had the card, right? My brother had one, too, and he's gone missing. Need some help. And there is what I think would be a pretty important line. We'll try and come back to these as we sort of reach conclusions about what the show is trying to say. But he says, why do you think I'd be useful to you or anyone else? Just like, oh man, he's definitely got them. Now he doesn't even care to the point where he's like, nah, nah, I just made that story up.  Yep. And he commits going back to the squid game.  And as it turns out, a lot of our characters have made the decisions. Yeah, all the ones we've been looking at in this episode are all going back. And they have a nice little edit where they're all sort of in the same position but different locations and stuff. Yeah, cool shot. And the match cuts. Oh, and also something that I literally just noticed as I was skimming through it, as soon as the car pulls up before Gihan and then the door opens, the red light switches to a green light. That has to be on purpose. It's just like Spider-Man. Yeah, just like Spider-Man in that great scene.  In that really awesome movie, yeah. That really great movie, that's right.  I also feel that that movie is relatively good. The best Spider-Man by action film. It sure is good that we got a great Spider-Man movie. Yeah, it's happening. Hey, look, you sent a great off. It's so far. It's all right. It's gonna flip. It's off about Spider-Man again. Why is it called Spider-Man when Spider-Man is coming out? Yo, what's up, Spider-Man?  We did that. We did that. Talking boy. There's an action bathroom of one arm and all of them fall off.  Yeah, there you go. He's killing everybody. There's this incredible meme somebody did where he superimposes Toby McGuire into all of the squid games and he shoots the web into the robot girl's eyes and makes it to the end. I'll have to find him later. I love it.  That one might trip him up. Maybe, yeah. Someone in chat is saying, essentially, why are you talking about Spider-Man? The Eternals is coming out. Something that somebody has definitely said on it. I was talking to my dad the other day and he was asking about stuff we've seen, movies, and things. And I was like, man, I'm so glad to just be done with Marvel, sort of. There's a part of me that's just, I need a break.   As much as we don't have to cover what-if, we've got Hawkeye and Eternals. Eternal Hawkeye and Spider-Man. I know there's stuff coming out, but I'm just like... Next year, there's like five movies and shows. I like this break and I'm not rushing to it. It's a nice little lull for sure. Yeah, you've been having loads of happy meals in Rome. We're enjoying some Korean food for now, but we're going to go back to happy meals soon enough. Yeah. Asian food's great. Asian food is delicious. There's two details left about this episode. And both of them bother me. So I would say we're doing pretty good with episode one and two. It's good stuff, but they show us the one, the Andrew. Yeah. I've got to stop you right there. Someone is saying that I say man weirdly. Do I say man weirdly? It can sound a little bit like you extend the A. Man? Man? Like that? It's now that my mind is thinking about it, I've painted the sample. Man? Man? Is that how I normally say it? I don't know. Of course, because of course it's not weird to me. So, but now that I'm thinking about it. No, it wasn't weird to me either, but now it is. No, it isn't, man. This is what I'm missing the Andrew reference. Okay, so we're calling pickpocketgirlsabioch. She's called Andrew, okay. Her name is Andrew. He was taken to the collective stuff.  Let's do it. She seemingly puts like her collar. I'm doing it right now above her face. That protects her entirely. And that's good enough. Yeah. We need to, we need to look at, like I'll show it to you guys.  Like, yeah, it does. Watch as it, as it flows. It's thick with two C's. I'm going to put. It is a very gaseous gas. This gas. That is a gassy gas if there ever was a gas gas. Well, I will. What I'm, I, they must have borrowed this gas. Look at that. Oh yeah. Yeah, it did. No, that's a gas right there. That is, that is malignant level gas right there. Let me tell you, let me tell you. Let me tell you that's some good gas. Someone in chat said she held her breath dot, dot, dot. Now I'm hoping those dots are cappers because if it was just holding your breath and it was that easy. I was about to say like. I don't know a lot of people. Don't you understand the problem? So it's not, it wouldn't be that that is an impossibility that you can't have gas go into your system by holding your breath. I was like, no, we know that. That means that problem changes into, wait, squid game operators. People just have to hold their breath. That's it. If people know that they get gas the first time, the second time around. Yeah.  You need to have it go for a few minutes. Why don't the driver just hold his mouth shut? Again, to clarify for that particular chatter, whoever they may be. And again, the dot, dot, dot man being your version of capper. So I'll grant you that. I imagine not. Dot, dot, dot is usually I'm annoyed now.  It will fill the car for a while is what I thought the point was. Right. So it's not. Well, there is, it doesn't fill the car for an incredibly long time because they do show him rolling down the windows, letting it clear and then rolling them back up. To be fair that we don't know how long that passage is necessarily. Right. That's true. That's true. Good old montage cuts. No, I think he wouldn't want to wait there incredibly long, you know, dressed in a pink outfit with a car full of drug people. It's at night. It's the windows are rolled up. Maybe they're darkened. You don't know what's going on in there. But no, you're right. That's what happens. So basically the point of this is that she's now awake. It's like, okay. Sure. And this is the thing. If you have little things like this, you're just like, I guess I'll let it go. But I feel as though these may stack as we go. Who knows? And before you can deal with that, you've got Detective Man is following Gi-han having gotten into that van. And apparently. And he's doing a very bad job at it. But the movie don't.   They'll probably tell you, calm down. Look how close he is.   Especially when they're in the more remote area. Yeah, nobody's around.  Now I'm not sure. I mean, you guys, you might be reminded when the remosted Grand Theft Auto comes out, the Spook-O-Meter in the tailing missions. That Spook-O-Meter?  There are lots of movies about this.  It's not hard. And you've got to assume. Well, I don't know.  The same car. Yes, yeah.  Oh, he must also be going to this port at 2.30 in the morning. He must be working for Squid Game like anything. That's the thing. I had a friend I was watching this with who's not on the cast, but was very much loving it. I thought it was great, but that was the first one where he went, what the fuck? And I was like, look, specifically this, this part right here. It comes running straight up where there's no one else, right? That is heavily suspicious. Extremely suspicious. So bad for us. And of course, if anyone needs us to explain it, this is bad because it means that they should be able to account for this and prevent Detective Man from getting any further. Yeah. And you think they'd have some guards posted or something? Well, you could be just having basics. Yeah, you think they would. Yeah, I should use my eyeballs. Now. What? I have heard praise of this from several people that I enjoy the company of saying Detective Man was rewarded for his great intelligence throughout the season tonight. No. Detective Man is a roller coaster of competence. We'll say that. Well, so this is literally like the third or fourth seat or whatever with Detective Man. And we're not doing good. We are, we are lucky and we are reckless. So let's hope it gets better, I guess. But it just keeps going. He keeps following them all the way to the point.  The car that he tails seems to be the lost car that like comes in. Lucky. True. Yeah. I know. Didn't he get he wouldn't get caught in the caravan? Yeah. Imagine if you got caught in the caravan. That's what there is a behind the show. People got to do. Excuse me. This is not your caravan. Can you leave? Try to play it cool. I thought this was a funeral procession. I'm sorry. I was showing solidarity for the deceased. It's really super simple. When I saw this the first time, just this shot here, I was like, no, there has to be guards. Why aren't there guards that would see him? Yeah, one here. Yeah, yeah. That's good.  The guy doesn't look in the mirror. If he did, he's fine. He's hiding behind a little guard station. It looks like a place where guards would be. I'm sorry. It's weird that there isn't. Yeah, it's weird that this guard station is sans guard considering this operation, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Someone said, is that why Drinker isn't here? If you watch Drinker's video, he makes it very clear the detective plot light is not good. Which is a shame because I really want to like detective. I love detective stuff. Yeah. I really, yeah. I like that. That's my favorite genre of anything. I love detective stories. I want this detective to be like, I'm going to really try and get to the bottom of things. I want things to work well for our detective character. I want to call this guy detective fanning and find out how many people in chat will get the reference. Can I just? Oh, are you referring to the actress Dakota Fanning? No. And how she too disappeared? She too is a detective. Wait, I had a quick thought before we get to other things that happened. So I just wanted to look at this shot and just look how awfully he's doing this.  Like if the guy... Yeah, that one was a big oof. Yeah. So frustrating because the thing is, you're in a queue. There's a good chance you are looking around. And if you just looked at the mirror, he's like, oh, there is a guy attaching himself to my car. And you have nothing else to do. Oh, man. Honestly, that would have made you look at the mirror because it would have gone by it. It would have been a decision. Yeah, just in your... Yeah, it's a flash of red light because the brake lights are on too. Yes, Mr. Taco, you are correct. Thank you. Anyway, do you have... What were you going to say, sir? Oh, just... Okay, so let's say the car drives off and he starts tailing them. What happens if he pulls them over?  And what happens then? Wait, are you suggesting that that could have been a thing he could have done? Like, pull them over and just get them pulled? He could have. Yeah. I'm curious to know what would have happened in terms of protecting the integrity of the game. Not that it was necessarily what he definitely should have done, but I want to know what would have happened. You're asking how do they account for this, if that happens?  We'll talk about it. A while. But a while. Yeah, a long time. And it also makes me wonder why the driver is still wearing the mask the entire way he's driving. Um, for similar reasons. It's a little suspicious. Oh, no. I just realized this is the next scene. Yeah. Yeah. Hang on before we go there. Did he already contact the police department chief guy? Oh, that's that's that really annoyed me too. He texts him. Hey, I can't come in today. I'll let you know more details later. Instead of saying I'm going undercover a really important mission I need.  Here's where I am. Yeah, here's where I what the last was. You can find my car as evidence, at least. Yeah, I'll send a picture of this weird line. There are license plates attached to these vehicles. License plates. Yeah. Okay, someone says the police are in on it. That the show is about corruption. I don't know that's established at all. I don't know. They but what the thing is, is that if you are a part of the police and you're about to go on this undercover mission, might be worth while to like let him know. Well, yeah. And Cap's point stands. You still have to account for good cops. Yeah, exactly. Because this is a good cop. So you're going to have to account for this guy. Anyway, at the very least, this is a lucky cop. Oh, yeah. So we have to account for lucky cops. Yeah. The vehicles are all lined up in this ship.  And he's lucky that the side of the car he is on is not being monitored while the others are. They've got just centuries looking. There is so many things to the scene that are kind of broken in terms of luck. We have to go one by one. So the way this works is everyone gets out at the same time, the drivers, and then they are supposed to enter the back of their cars and scan everyone in them to log them into the system, presumably. This is possible because of a chip or because it scans the DNA or something. It's got to be a chip. So Matt, I don't know if it has to. Do you think that it's just, I don't know. Because if it were a chip. It's all in the exact same spot. What would it scan for if not something? Well, they do try two parts. Remember, he tries one side of a neck and then he tries the other side of the neck. I wonder if that's... I'm just curious what it would be detecting to identify them if not something. Also, because this is a fantasy thing, we could argue it's just technology that detects the DNA of a person being scanned and then logs them in. I don't know. Is this a fantasy world? Well, they can have. No, I don't like... Did you see that doll robot? Well, that's just, you know, that... That's pretty high-tech. That can be considered pretty high-tech. High-tech, yeah. Well, and I was going to say, you could have a grounded story with one piece of sci-fi tech. You could do that. Yeah. You could. You could. Christy's kind of does that. I guess it's just not that consequential, really. All I'm saying is... They could have scanned anywhere else. They could have scanned anywhere else. It's not like it's... You know, they just chose these things scanning behind the ear for style or... You're right. They do... Sometimes they scan behind the ear. Sometimes they scan the neck, though. So if it were a chip, it would be really weird if they're placing it in different areas of the body, right? And you have to guess. No chips are mentioned, and there's no scar either. So... I think it's just they scan them, and we have to believe that it detects... And it's not just detecting them and scanning it like it combined. It tags them within the system, right? There's a log. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it has to be a log for it to match. It doesn't really matter whether it's a chip or not, but I just... I assumed it was a chip. Well, so the reason why I probably would have it against it is because that's more evidence to find.   Yeah, I guess... Well, no one knows they have it, but yeah, I know what you're saying. Well, there'd be a... Yeah, it's a... If you chip for, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people, some of them are going to notice a scar or... Especially if they can volunteer out, and then 200 of them are like, we all have chips, we all have the same story. That's very dangerous for this institution. Yeah, the physical evidence would be unwise. Yep, I see what you're saying. Now, all of the side doors open, this is important. They open first so that he can climb in and pretend to be a knocked out person, and then the driver doors open. Now, this is important because had the driver doors open first and they open the side doors themselves, he's fucked. Yeah. But that didn't happen. So then he pretends to just be down and out. Now, this is where it gets a little bit weird because our guy is scanning all the people in this truck, and for some reason, he takes so long that by the time he gets to our dude, it seems like most people are kind of done. This is important again because had he... He doesn't do this, but had he screamed, gone, oh my god, really loud.  And it's pretty reasonable that somebody would do that. Oh, absolutely. I don't know why he doesn't. This is huge. We've got someone who's awake right now and he's not scanning in the system. This is a huge breach. Instead, he just goes...  And it's like... And you can't help it at this point. Even before that, when he comes out from under the van, he slinks from one van to another. And it's like everyone is still in the car. Like they're looking in there. There's people up at the... There's a higher level of people with guns looking down on everything who probably could have seen it. There's people who are sitting in the driver's seats of every van there. They cut to this big shot of all the cars and just one of them is doing this rock back and forth, back and forth. It's like, really? No one's noticing this? Yeah, nobody's noticing. Nobody's noticing.  At least that happened next to the first aid kit. Yay. And then we're supposed to believe, right? Everyone's already gone up to just, you know, we're done. That's the job. It's real quick, actually. You go scan, scan, scan, scan. Done. Everyone's up. You see all these people?  One guy's missing. He manages to strip himself down, the guy down, and then recloth back up, both of them, which I do not want to underestimate how long that would take in a enclosed space. He was wearing a button-down shirt, too. So there's that. Yeah. And just imagine trying to do that inside a van filled with people. Like, you just awkwardly like, none of them wake up because of that.  Well, I can believe that. Yeah, that's fine. And so he then climbs out after it shows that the people have only just made it to the top of the stairs.  Like, no fucking, this isn't hit bad. Like, you can't do that. And I can't undress that fast. And I don't wear clothes. And look at the clothing they're both wearing. These are not the simplest of outfits. Like, you got to do a lot of- Yeah, these are. And so he puts his own ID on the body and tosses him out into the water. Just the moment he lets him go, someone goes, hey, what you doing over there? He's like, oh man, I'm seasick. He's like, okay. And the next- Quick question is why does he dress him and put the ID on him? That's gonna- It's an interesting thing you say there. We can assume he just did it for whatever reason, but it's gonna be relevant in episode six, seven. I have a lot to say about that. Yeah, no, that'll- We'll put a pin in this. He put his clothes and his ID on him, and then he dropped him out. I wonder if that'll be relevant later. We'll think about it. It'll be ready for conversation. Don't worry. Now, if you are hypersuspicious of this circle doing some weird shit, would you not just go, let's have a look at the camera. Let's see what he was doing. And you'll find that he's tossing a body overboard, which is like, what the fuck?  And for good reason. And keeping it all hush-hush. Every, in the room of every one of the staff, there's cameras too.  And that is a good question. And they just let off. They're like, just report to your place. Like a good boy. And I guess there was an earlier shot when we first saw him slinking behind the vans. There were people up on the higher level that had guns, and they were just facing towards the vans standing there.  So we're really not doing great at this point. And this is barely into the detective story. I'm sure it's all over. He's earned his way fully into this with complete horseshit. And it's just, as a viewer, you're like, well, he's in, so there's that. We'll see. I mean, the luck, but also he takes so many insane risks that I don't understand the motive or reasoning for it all. It's not just that it's not just luck. It's that why would he take the time to redress the other body? Well, listen, his heart's in the right place. He wants him to be clothed. I suppose you could argue maybe it's easy. Well, you could just toss the clothes overboard. You don't need to. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know when. I really don't. It'll come in handy, though. It'll come very in handy. So yeah, that storyline, by the way, I was already annoyed with how it was beginning, so I was like, but I thought already that we should be spending the B plot on having one of the members of the Squid Game team, if you will, like one of these guys growing a conscience enough to decide something different. And we could follow one of them on their day to day. So we get an insight on how the back end works. But also I totally agree. And we can do we can intertwine a bit, but I saw someone in chat. I don't know if this is true. Someone in chat mentioned that the detective plot line was added on as a request from Netflix to be able to make the series longer. Man, if that's true, because he barely interacts with the plot line, the main plot line at all. Yeah. If true, you still hope he could do a better job. Oh, absolutely. But I'm just curious if that is true, because, man, it kind of explains a lot. Very interesting. Yeah, I was really hoping I still think it could be very, very interesting if we follow one person who didn't choose to come back and is maybe trying to figure out what's going on with the organization. And instead of a random detective who finds the part, if someone who didn't choose to come back is going to the police and trying to contact other people that were involved. And we see to what extent the Squid Game organization can and how they try to cover everything up. Because you have to assume, because this game is not the first time they've played this game, that this has happened before where people try to report them. So how do they deal with it? I would like to see that. Yeah, you have to have a lot of... Because this is a shockingly massive operation. I don't think that could be understood enough. This is not some small covert...  But this is quite the operation. A lot of people in chat are saying it was confirmed in an interview that he was a last-minute addition to the show, which, holy shit, man. You feel it? That explains a lot. Because we'll be talking about the headboard as we go. I've seen someone say as well, doesn't it make sense that you put the clothing an ID on him so that it's an identified body instead of being something that's just mysterious and strange? Well, when it's your ID... Well, the problem is that if the Squid Game people find us, like, wait, why weren't we told that a cop had snuck on board? Yeah, because if you're supposed to assume from that, that someone tossed him on the board. Also, presumably the Squid Game... I know it's a cop because this is the ID of the cop. Yeah, that's how simple it works. And also, yeah, they wouldn't look the same either, right? If they're ID and they've got the photo. And plus, surely you know who your employees are. Yeah, that's a big thing. I think you would know. Yeah, as much as they do the whole... You don't want them to show their faces to each other, but you know who they are, right? Yeah, there's no way that the higher-ups don't have everyone's details on fire, which we know they do. Absolutely.  Well, for pay. I mean, you... We all saw that. Yeah, I mean, you've got to know who they are. And yeah, they show us the process this time, kind of, so we can understand how they get from A to B. But something, again, that's just kind of like, all right, is that while they're taking the clothes off, Andrew, she pops the knife into a pocket. And then when they put her clothes back on for the Squid Game stuff, she pulls it out of the pocket. And it's like, wow. Man, risky.  But I wasn't impressed by what they showed us. I kind of wish they didn't show it so overtly. When she drops it in, she drops it in. Yeah, you notice when things fall into your pocket of that weight. You feel that, yeah. That wasn't stealthy at all. If they hadn't showed it, and then she just produced it later, I live, left it to the imagination. Like, oh, the pick pocket thief found a way. Okay, I can believe that. Well, how we know something else was smuggled in, I could have believed that she did that. Because the knife is really small. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Instead they show that and it's like, Yeah, that leads us into reawakening. Because, and I think they say that there's a 93% return rate. Pretty high. That is pretty high, yeah.  And Guihon's already there like, hello, buddy. We're back. Hello. What's up, Robin? Oh, no, I haven't got the subtitles going yet on this one.  How am I supposed to know what's happening?  You're not. It's up to your imagination. Almost feels a little bit weird as a show, but I think the viewers at this point are like, I'm ready for some next games. Let's do it, even though it's just horrible. But I guess they're all kind of like, they're a bit more determined now instead of just terrified animals, running around, headless sort of thing. Now they're like, right, we're here to do a job and win. We have chosen to come back. It's, we're in it for, we're in it to win it now. And something interesting happens. They, we see an effort to make teams is starting to happen. And it's like, because Ali and Sungwoo show back up. And I think Guihon is kind of making a joke about it. But he's like, we're an army team. I'll be the sergeant. Sungwoo can be the lieutenant or something like that. Because he's smart. Ali will be our new recruit. And the old man can be like the, he's just the old guy who's been in here for years. The old general man, something like that. It's all, it's just pretty chill and wholesome. And you're like, man, I'm sure nothing bad will happen to any of these people. Yeah. Yeah. I hope nothing bad happens to these people in these games of life and death. It'll be great. Yeah. And they spot the girl. She's like, that's the girl who wanted to see a kid or whatever. The old man is like, do you think she named her kid yet?   Yeah. Sungwoo does not have his glasses this time around.  I have to rely on his like dialogue and stuff. Yeah. And then I think at the same time, interestingly, Thugman is like, hey, Andrew, join our team.  That ain't happening. And she even says, there's a back and forth I found pretty interesting. She explains to his current set of people that they shouldn't be following him because he's in here because he was stealing from all of his minions until he tried to steal from the boss. And that's what got him in trouble. And she said, in a derogatory sense, do you know what everyone would call you? And he was like, what?   Which I found a little confusing. I was just like, huh? Yeah. Wait, that's not what I... I thought she said it slightly differently. I don't know if you have a different subtitles than I did, but... Maybe. What did you gather from it? Because I was a little bit confused by it. Like, I thought the idea was that like in my hometown... In your hometown? You cut out? Yeah. Am I cutting out? Right again. In your hometown? Yeah. Like in North Korea, they would have called you like... I forget. It's like... I forget. I forget. The impression I got was that she was like, oh, in my hometown, we would have called Neri's scum because they're... What? Cut out again?  It's not an important point. Let me reset my Wi-Fi just to... Oh, okay. A lot of people are saying it's a reference to North Korea. Bad people are rebels and revolutionaries and they're communists. Oh, yeah. Honestly, I didn't quite catch what was happening in this scene because the other thing I wanted to talk about that I found interesting was before he can like beat her up, I guess, the other girl cuts in. And I've wondered this whole time, was she doing that to help her out? Or was she doing it because she has her own interests? I'm not 100% sure because it seems like she just accidentally broke up a fight there or was she looking to do that? Either way, she's like, I'll join you. You don't need her because she's super thin. I believe that she was looking for a place to insert herself. She seemed to fit in line with kind of her look and where can I, you know, make myself known? Where can I be? Yeah, with a strong crowd. Let's try Singapore. What's a robot? Is that a robot now or is it just me? Popped us to Singapore. Hopefully that saves the day. Yeah, hopefully. All right. Cap, what were you saying? I don't even remember anymore. It's not crucial. We can keep moving. Yeah. Well, okay. So I was going to say we probably should try and step on the gas a little bit. But yeah, she's like, let me join. And at first he's just like, what can you offer? And she's desperately trying this, that and the other until he's basically like, sex. And then she's like, and then it gets a little bit more threatening until the conversation ends. And it's in retrospect, it's enough that she's probably figuring out at that moment what she's going to need to be doing to survive potentially. While Andrew was just like sitting there like, huh, that was a thing. But I'm fine. This is going to be 24 hours. Nope. Please no way. So they're all lining up and they got themselves what I would call it. Yeah, it's a meal. It's a chill. You got like, I think it's egg rice and a couple of other things. Like, yeah. And this is our character building scene. They start saying like, since we're a team, we should share names. Before we get to that, I have a quick question about why they would give them crappy food on purpose. Well, we get, we can address that when they do. I don't know that this should be considered crappy food. Well, he says that it's cold and so that doesn't affect the nutritional value though. No, no, no, I don't, you know what I mean. Like that they give them cold. It's that's what I mean. It's fine. He said he prefer it hot, but that it's still good food. Okay. We can, we can talk about it more when they start giving them less food. It's just a question I had continue. Mel, what were you going to say you fuck? Well, I'm trying really hard to say something. You got to push past these people again. You got to push past. You got to punch in the face. You got to push them down and never survive in Squid Game. Nope. I would be in that. That would be different.  Right. This is probably the last proper meal they get for the duration of the game. Like they did, but yeah. So don't go into it too much. What, what are they then just again, they're just doing names and stuff and it's pretty chill up until we get the good old fashioned. When do people speak and why? And it'll give you a nice pieces to think about. They're, he's bringing up the past. Each of them is sort of reminiscing about the meals they would get when they were younger. Then he asks Song Wu about it. And like, he just cuts in. He's just like, let's try and stay on the subject. Let's think about what the next game will be. It's like, hmm. Yep. All right. I mean, you can tell he's a little bit down about everything. Okay. Which is pretty reasonable. And yeah. So they obviously figure out, well, if we've been getting red light green light, there's a good chance that we might get more children's games. It's time to think about all those ones and think about how we prepare for them. And I think he splits them up into male and female in terms of listing them and how they might go. The hopscotch, bisso, jibajie, donkatsu, freeze tag. I know freeze tag. Ooh. I know hopscotch. Yes. And yeah. So they're just like speculating on that.  And Sangwoo just cuts in and he's like, listen, all those games are easy to learn and we're going to teach them to you. And then it's, um, Ali takes that very positively. Like, oh, that's great. Thanks, man. While there's a second reading of that when you think about Sangwoo as a character, not necessarily that he's very invested in a person learning and having the best chance. I think it's more so about. We'll teach you so that we win. Yeah. It's important for the team dynamic. Which again, you can see in Sangwoo's face when the old man is like, hey, can I join your team? And he's like, yeah, man, you can be our major or whatever. Sangwoo's face in the background. He's just like, hmm, yeah, it was just strong and healthy people. Like it's always wants to get the best ones. Yeah, it seems apparently best ones. Seems to me that Sangwoo compared to last time is coming in with a much more specific mindset, even just from these little interactions. Like it's already very clear that he's thinking very specifically about how this is going to go. I think you called him a computer basically when we were watching it together. Well, I like to think of him and, uh, him and the protagonist as sort of representative of letting your heart sort of run with it and your mind sort of run with it. And we see the dangers of that in both of these characters. Um, get a little dichotomy as they say. Yeah, wait, I think they're just kicking on. We get a little bit of detective man because he had a key in his clothing that had a number on it. He knows which room belongs to him. And so that's good enough for me. You can fake if you follow everyone going to the respective rooms.  That's that's fine. But, um, yeah, yeah, he gets a look, I think from number 28. He's 29 and it's just like, hmm, is 28 looking at him because he struggled with his key a little bit or is he looking at him for another reason? I imagine we're going to find out. He seemed to be looking at him before he started turning the key and screwed it up. I think the only first watch you're supposed to believe though is just the key, but we will decide. I never bought that. It just seems to like you're going to get suspicion on someone because they had a very minor issue with the key in the lock. Well, that's the, that's what I'm saying. I think it's just to give a viewer a reason for it before they give you the actual reason. Yeah.  Which to me, it's like, you must have a system in place for this, right? Like, surely there's theoretically, you theoretically have 500 people in this room and you know what mammals do. So I don't.  Plus, if this was meant for people to watch, particularly, you don't want to see people just peeing and pooing. Yeah, you don't want to know. Some people do. Some people do. That's true. Some people do like that, like that sort of thing. Not me. Oh, yeah. And we got, uh, talking about the suspicious, right? We got, he gets his meal. Our guy, he awkwardly looks at the camera and then looks back and slowly takes all this stuff without ever looking at it. And I think the thing that made it for me in terms of just, oh, come on. Is that we, we see that someone is staring directly at him, like, I think it's like a big screen. I guess we're supposed to assume it's what he's being stared at is one of the people who is in on it, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's the best faith interpretation. Yeah, but we could talk about how that works.  Wow, Asians are racist. Exactly. And that even if it is, you know, the guy watching at the screen right now is also in on it. Good thing he's the only one that ever looks at it. I don't know why they showed us this. Like if they'd made it so he had his back to the camera at all times, I'd be like, okay, but that right there. It's like, oh man, you can pretty much make out the face now if you know him well enough. It's like, yeah. Yeah. What are you going to do that? It's a cop would be avoiding cameras looking at his face. Well, I mean, that this is the kind of the angle here that's like, and I think at this point in the show, you might be like, so what's his plan? Like, yeah, yeah, we're going to get to that. You might be like that. Also, I think I noticed a small mistake here because I saw something shine. Hang on. Oh, it's an awkward place to find a mistake, but don't worry. You won't see anything. What's supposed to happen here is crazy lady pulls something out of her extra pocket. Let's put it that way. And the thing is before she grabs it, you can see she's holding something in her hand. And that's going to be the thing she pulls out. There you go. She did not dedicate herself to the craft is what we're saying. It's just all good.  We panned up and she's like, oh. So it just comes across as she's putting it in. Like, what are you doing?  And then we have it in the next scene. Where are we all going to come through moves?   And it is like basic stuff. I don't know why they showed her putting it in, her hands in her pants with it. Very unusual editing, but it's a bit of a nitpick. I know it's an editing mistake. I think, Mel, you were open thinking about this, but I think everyone has kind of a similar thought of all the things you could smuggle in. It was cigarettes. Okay, I guess. Hey, listen, it's an addiction. It is. It is. You want to get them ciggies, but a lighter. Once you have the idea to smuggle in cigarettes, shouldn't you go, oh, what else could I smuggle? Exactly. And I even had the thought of like, I know it's disturbing, but surely they would want to check to make sure you're not doing this. You think? Yeah, they'd probably do a cavity search. And this is a lot like a prison in some ways, you know? Yeah. If you were like, no, that would be gross or whatever. It's like, they're killing people. Let's be real. They apparently are surprised that these people have to use the bathroom. So, I mean... It's weird. You get a little gross. Yeah, when you summarize all these bits and bottles, it's like, it is a bit, all right, yeah. But yes, Andrew's plan is to use the knife she had to unscrew a vent, climb up it, and have a look if she can get any details about what's to happen in the future.  Oh yeah. Yeah. You're crawling around in vents. She's got like 30 seconds at most, and it's super risky. I was just like, what could this possibly lead to? I thought you'd just try to escape or just hide and try and find the way out or something, which would be weird because you came back voluntarily. It's weird that you would try and escape, but like right now, but I just don't... Yeah. No camera in the bathroom. And I know, again, people will be like, well, that's a violation of liberty. Let's be honest. Yeah, we wouldn't want to do that. They were rather fine with burning that one guy alive. Yeah. I think they'd be okay with standing and watching you pee. I think, absolutely. I think they would be willing to go in with you and be like, yeah, this is how it works, bitch. Oh yeah. Yeah, stand outside yourself, everything. This story, like, honestly relies on, like, you wouldn't want to come in here because I'm pooping and that's gross. It's like, come on, like... You would, oh boy, there's no toilet roll.  You wouldn't want to see that. It's like, why are we five years old?   Yeah.   What she sees is that they are making something up and involves lots of sugar, like, sugar.  I don't know, like, the automatic assumption is this is the clue for the next game. And I remember when I first saw this, I was like, oh, okay. I guess. Oh, that's a clue for the next game. I had, yeah, I was in the same boat as you. I had no idea this was supposed to be a clue for the next game. Why would it be? Was the first thing that you, yeah, the first room that you can peek in through and they're cooking something. I assume that that's your next meal. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they have to get the food to feed you. I assume that's what this is. It's some mixture that they're going to give you, which technically it is, but not in the way I mean it. Yeah, we got a little bit of tension. Will they be discovered and Guy eventually gets enough to she's seen that and he comes in right too late where they've already put it back up. And he's like, oh, how awkward. Poopy. Oh man, why does it smell like cigarettes in here? And why does it not smell? It doesn't smell at all like poop. It's like, I guess you have really nice smelling poop. There's a distinct lack of poop. And yeah, and yeah, they're all incredibly suspicious.  If they had a camera in there, it's over. They'd be like, you two have cheated. You're out. Yeah. And of course, crawling through a vent is never quiet. Well, yeah. Someone notices it and then someone else like, hey, get back to stirring the sugar. Cause I remember there being an actual misbusters episode where they tried to have you climb through the vents.   You got to remember, right? Adam Jensen has augmentations that like make it so that he can climb through ducks stealthily, but you ain't Robocop, right? You ain't climbing through these vents. Robocop would not climb through vents quietly. That wasn't a good analogy. Yeah, Robocop wouldn't, but I, how familiar? Ah, whatever. Is that right? Have you seen Robocop? No, he doesn't refer to the character Robocop. He's like a robot cop. Adam Jensen is Robocop. If you say Robocop, people will think of Robocop. But also they'll think about all of the other things you just said leading up to that point. And then you get to the words Robocop and they think, oh Robocop. Right, as opposed to all of the other references to explicitly to a different character. Everyone thinks Robocop is his name. Robocop's a neat movie. That's what I think. Also someone saying Adam Jensen is not a cop, so. Yeah, he was. Robocop is, it's in the name. No, he wasn't a cop either. He was the head of security or. No, he was a cop and then he became head of, and then he became a security guard. Okay, fair enough. Anyway, back to Robocop going through vents. That's right. That's a good newsy Robocop. Question I had. So she comes, she comes out of the vent and we get a close-up that indicates that there's a screw. Oh, it's not put all the way in. Which amounts to nothing. And that seems like a setup. I guess it's not through in the bathroom, all right. I guess the reason they showed us that would be like, wow, that was close. Oh, what I thought it was, oh, someone's going to find out.  We would notice is like, well, it is strange that we got a close-up of it. I think. Yeah, like it would be looser and fall. Surely there's an employee for that. Because you'd be like, why would we check it?  I feel like we should probably have an eye on it. Maybe we should just put a lock on it. Lock on it. Maybe we should wash them clean.   So I found this quite amusing. Maybe I'm on a bit of an island with this one. But when he's typing his notes into his phone, this makes you think that if Frodo were in Mordor, he would type Mordor Orcs Lava. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. But like, it just, yeah, it's felt awkward. And he hears a cough, a cough. What, what, what, I don't know. Anyway, you know, it's fine. Move on. That's a loud cough. Yeah. It does sound like he's dying. Help me, help me. I'm done. Who are these pink people? Obviously, we don't know. Wow. Wow. Yeah, never demand.   But so it's definitely, you know, framed like there's something akin to prisoners too. Based on their living conditions. Now it doesn't necessarily mean they're prisoners, but there seems to be an implication that they're not much, they're not thought of much tired by the people running the organization and the competitors themselves. And I'm just, I have a lot of questions about them. Well, that's, that's, that's theme presumably right. That's what? Theme. Okay. So my response is because you're talking about the narrative reasons. I assume they're paid extremely well and they're told if you don't follow the rules, you can be killed. I would assume that is what I would assume. Yes. We will give you lots of money.  That would work for me. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting though, because I wonder what kind of people they get. Not that it's a problem, but I'm very curious what kind of people because unlike the contestants, that have the sort of distance between them and the moral, moral responsibility of all the people that were dying, because at least up until now, they haven't been killing anyone directly, but the people with, you know, the pink people are obviously killing them directly. So I wonder how they've managed to get all these people to do this decade after decade. Yeah. I think it's an issue of, and I guess we're going to have to have that conversation about this whole operation. Yeah. Not sure when, but we will. Okay, we'll call that another planted seed. That's cool to me. Yeah, we'll plant that seed as well.  Talking about the clunk, the two girls come back and we get a song with POV and you just hear the conversation, which is, hey, what did you see? Come on. What did you see? She's like, I'll tell you tomorrow. Why tomorrow? Tell me now. You were up there for really long. What did you see? Hey, what did you see? You must have seen something. Come on. It's like, oh man. Yes, so Song Wu gets the idea that they have seen something useful. In case that wasn't clear. What did you see? What did I just say? A detective man, meanwhile, has woken up for his daily. He has no, this point is so strange. He's just like, what's the plan, bro? I guess you're just going to have to keep pretending to just be one of the baddie. Or I guess just exist here, hopefully. The extent of what they're doing. Just going to have to try and luck out more and more.  But at the same time, you're going to slip up eventually and do you have a plan? Or you're just going to cross that bridge when you come to it? That's probably the idea. Yes. So yeah, she says that what she saw was them melting sugar, or at least that's her theory. And she's like, melting sugar. That's it. And she's like, mm, that's the clue. I had 30 seconds in event. Yeah. You're lucky. I have anything to tell you at all. Yeah. She could have just walked forward so that they could come back. Also, this doesn't lead to anything, them knowing? Yeah, it does. It does. Oh, in terms of, wait, what am I forgetting here? So I'm going to find out because of her. Yeah. How about the sugar? It clues him onto what game it is, which is very important. Oh, I thought the clue was when he, well, he figures it out once he gets in there and then he sees it in person. So you get the shapes plus the melted sugar. That's the two clues. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. I got you. I got you. Um, yeah, he's just doing his thing. Number 28, giving him a weird look. He's just like, number 28. Are you like gay for me? What's going on? I feel we'll have to find out. And they get given there, like a bread and milk. Um, I think Sangwoo gives his bread to Ali and Jihan gives his milk to Ali as well because he's allergic, I think is what he says. Or something he doesn't like normal milk, I think. Just more sharing of them fun things. But there's a character who digs into his bread and finds a note. How very interesting. Oh my goodness. And yeah, I guess we'll find out more about that soon enough.  How exciting. We're finally there. It's only taken us three and a half hours. And so yeah. So for those who just have no context, because they listened to us, because they like listening to us break stuff down, they enter a big old playground with giant versions of like the, I guess a playground stat.  But at this point, a song was already gotten the sugar information from Andrew. And then they see the shape show up. You get a circle, triangle, star and umbrella. Now I'm going to lie. When I first saw this and I was like, if I'm going with a random shape, I don't know. I honestly was like, what about the umbrella? That seems so unusual that maybe that's the correct one. Yeah, so odd and specific. You don't want to pick the umbrella. No, you do not. Really don't. Yeah, a song we realize is what the game is, which is you have to, you get given like a honeycomb candy in the form of a circle, but there's a shape inside it, and you got to break the shape out without damaging it. So the one you want is probably the triangle. So you could give them like a needle to cut it out. Next up probably square. That'd be a good one. I don't think you get a square. So next up triangle, circle, star and umbrella. Star being the worst one. The star is like, it's pretty simple. It's just a lot of time. And then umbrella is like, just the worst. Because it's just, it's not. It's the worst by far. It's so, it's going to get so fragile on the handily part of it. The, yeah, it's going to be tough. So, Joe. Well, hold up, hold up. Wait, is it um, we have to, we have to, is this an umbrella or a parasol? Umbrella. Umbrella? Yep. Because it has the, but I thought the parasol had the hook at the bottom, right? I think umbrella is one that has a hook. Most umbrellas do. Yeah, umbrellas have a hook. Because I, okay, all right. Not to mention, don't umbrellas usually have like the spikies all along the bottom end? Yes, I think so. Oh, I think so. Yeah, parasols don't. Well, parasols fold, don't they? Yeah, but not in that, not with that many spokes, you know. No. I assume you can have different ones. I don't care. Okay, okay, okay, okay, fine. So, uh, Jihan suggests they do it as a team and they all select the same shape. Sangwoo was like, no, no, no, no, we should, we shouldn't put all our eggs in one basket. We should separate, uh, which when we know that he knows what this game is, that's very suspicious. But at the same time, at this point in the show, you might not know like what he, you may, you may still not know what this game is. You can still believe for a second that maybe that's helpful in some way. You don't know yet. But you can tell from his body language that something is up because he's like, I'm a go for the triangle. And then Ali is like the circle reminds him of something from home. I think he says, uh, like the sun or moon circles. And so then it's down to old man and Jihan choosing between and when Jihan says I'll go with the umbrella because I was always losing it. And my mum would get really angry at me. And someone was immediately like, you're going to, you're going to. Okay. And it's like, hmm, it's clear that if the scenario is Jihan or old man ended up with the umbrella, you know which one song we would want to happen. Yeah. He wants the old man to get that umbrella. Yep. Because he's useless to him. I want you to die, old man.  Super awkward. Super like, hmm. And there's a particularly fun shot where they all walk to their respective shapes and Andrew is looking at him from off to the side because she knows that he's just recommended them go to these shapes. Or at least they would, nobody would willingly choose umbrella if he's giving information that he has. So, um, something he's doing something there. And, uh, let's just say that it's not just his own guilt. He's dealing with, he's got a small audience that knows what he did. But, um, he doesn't see that she's looking at them though. But it's just, it's just information she has, you know. And so, yeah, they get their shapes and it wasn't until they literally explained the rules that I was as shocked as Jihan is. I was like, oh, you've got to do that. Because when they were looking at these shapes, I was like, I still don't get it. Yeah, me neither. You just call them Jihan. Jihan. I don't think I would mispronounce both the words at the same time just to say that, but maybe. I will take credit for the joke. Yeah, they just have this shot where the camera does. I don't even, I'm not even sure what this is called, but whether they expand the back with the focus just because he's realizing that, as he says, he's dead. Oh, it's a dolly zoom. That's what it's called.  Yeah, a lot of the characters we're familiar with have triangles, so they're probably going to be right. Oldman has a star, which is a little bit more complex. Same for Crazy Lady and Thug. Then our lad has an umbrella. What's going to happen now? There's no bueno. This is one of those games I'd be curious to play though. I want to see how difficult it is. Yeah. I think I already saw sets for those being sold somewhere. Makes sense. I'd wonder about the whole part about like, do you think it would be better if everyone just had the same shape? It makes it a little bit better in terms of your feeling.  I got that. Meanwhile, if everyone got an umbrella, I feel like that'd be more interesting. Yeah. It does undermine the stated idea that this is sort of equal and fair. Well, well, well, that's a topic.  We should probably delay that one more line. Let's just plant that seed. All I will say is, all these seeds are growing metal. Furnace is complicated. Yeah. You have to go before any of these seeds can be eaten. Yeah. Very upset about this. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, just keep it in mind, the fairness stuff. We will try and come back to all the examples as we get further along. But everyone's doing their dondust to chop through these dastardly honeycomb treats. And I do like the random cuts to just the eagerness of the people with guns, just looking at them with their guns, still just with the radius. It's like, yeah, I know. Okay. I'm still, I'm fine. Leave me alone. Just making sure. Hold on.   And yeah. And I think it's the guy on the slide is the first one to, he fucks up his umbrella. It breaks in half. And I think that that is the moment where you go, I regret coming back here. This is a mistake. Yeah. He's just like, please give me to the shot. It's like, nah, mate. Those is the rules. Badoom. And he has a very dramatic slide down the slide. He crawled all the way up there. That's that. He was like, this is the spot where I'm going to, going to do my thing. And you know what? Him doing that meant someone had to climb up there with him. He'd be like, all right. You got to go climb up and check on the slide guy.  It doesn't even have anything to do with anything. And yeah. I think in reaction to the gunshot surprise, someone breaks their biscuit. They're like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. We just see a couple people get shot. Hoover. Yeah. I like how the old, the old guy, you notice that he kind of like licks the tip of his needle. He's like the first to do that in order to like kind of help him along. Yeah. I think a thug guy does that as well at one point. It makes sense. There's different strategies trying to get through this. And obviously triangle people are getting close to finishing it already just because triangle is to the point where you dig in and then you can snap it off. We even see that happening.  But we enter. It's interesting because circle is kind of deceptively hard. Yes. It seems like a simple shape of it. You can't really snap it. Well, Ali's strategy is snapping small amounts all in a circle over and over and over and over again. It seems to be like approximating it. Yeah. Yeah. No.  This is pretty awkward. I know.  Yeah. It's like, it's right there as well. The show is making sure to show like, no, she's keeping an eye. So she's doing it when he's not looking or something. She's like, I don't know, man. You still need a lot of luck for this and you can't cancel out the sound.   It was like, ah, the mysteries of things. Everyone in chat saying you can smell it. There's cameras all over the place. And there's cameras. Yeah, that's the whole idea. So we've got like five layers of you're not getting away with this. And they do not look kindly on cheating as we discover. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mentioned it's like, you don't smell the burning either. Yeah. So that's not a satisfying cheat, that one.  They just sort of let you do that. Then as we, as we progress, like I said, I think the triangles start winning, which includes Andrew and Sangwoo and the doctor. I'm going to start calling him that just because that's what he is. He's the one that had the note. I think his note said honeycomb, which by the way, wouldn't be anywhere near enough information for someone like me. I'd be like, honeycomb. Yeah, the info, yeah. You think the info should be pick the triangle. Yeah. Yeah. That would be way better than honeycomb. Yeah, yeah. That'd be way better. That way you know that no matter what, pick the triangle, not honeycomb. Because if you, if White Glue was honeycomb and I was looking at shapes, I'd still be like, okay. And I don't get it. Yeah. Ali has successfully gotten his circle out of there as well. Yeah.  He just smiles like, yay. I think this would be a great feeling, but then you sort of turn around. You're like, good luck everyone else. Don't slip on your way out. Yeah. Do not perish. And I think that's kind of the idea is that all of the triangles are going to be getting out pretty quick, which, yeah, you can't help it feel like that doesn't seem fair. Now, lucky for us, we're not going to just get bogged down and bored by the A plot line. Detective man is here to make the plot more interesting. Yeah.  You're supposed to be dealing with bodies. And he's just like, um. He scans them from behind too, which is strange, but I guess that's more sci-fi tech. I guess the suits are lined up with the numbers as well, just not just a mask. Yeah, I could say that, I guess. And so he's like, what are you doing here? And he's like, I'm confused.   I don't know what's happening to you. What are we doing here? And yeah, so this square is like, meet me after this game and we'll talk about your confusion.  No, that's gonna have a great payoff. Yeah, I will keep that in mind, everyone. Finally repercussions. So we see the, I guess, probably the triangles and circles exiting, they've done their job. But at the back is the doctor and he pops off to the left and he gets guided into a completely different room. And I think that alone is like, really?   Man, you must have a lot of people in this institution that are on your side rather than the institution side. Yeah. But okay. I guess they don't count them when they get back into the room. I feel like they did a better job with this later on because it's all dark and everyone's already settled everywhere, I guess. I can believe that more than. But doing it at that point. Yeah, but there's still cameras everywhere. But this point is insane. And just the idea they wouldn't have a constant player count. Imagine the doctor just pops up a triangle. Surely they'd have a constant player count in the room. They'd be like, they should be ex-players. It is incongruent with the current players, you know? Yeah, the guy whose job it is to look at player da-da-da-da-da should be going, wait a second. Well, I guess, so this is the thing that the show has on its side is you're supposed to just believe anybody who would have caught this is a part of the evil team or at least the subversion team. And they're doing what they need to do to prevent anyone from finding out. But I just think that stretch is pretty far the further along we get. And even right now, I think that him moving away at that moment, that's already... They're all on the Oscorp payroll. Yeah. So we've got three minutes left. It ain't going good. He's basically chopped out the top of the umbrella, the easiest part. There's plenty left to go. And before Song Wu leaves, he gives him quite the...  And so it's probably worth wondering at this point. We'll probably address it. Why did Song Wu do that? What is the assumption we're supposed to make as an audience? In terms of the look he gives him? No, why did he not tell him you should go for the triangle? I guess to... Let me see. He probably feels a little threatened. You feel me at this point? Or no. No, like he probably feels a little threatened by Guihon's... The closeness he has to Guihon. The old man. If he's... No, not the old man. His friend. So it's like he's got his friend in the competition and if he can get rid of his friend, the less compelled he is to try and kill him and feel bad about it. You know what I mean? It's like he's afraid that he's got to pull back on his friend in some emotional sense. So it's like if he dies now, me that has to kill him. And I don't got to feel bad about it. So we've got a lot of theories in here and in chat. My take would just fully be that he's just going to not work to help anyone now. Unless of course it demands it through teams. But at the same time, I think it's very fair to assume he was hoping to kill the old man. I would assume so too, based especially with that look he had earlier when the old man was made part of a team essentially. I was just like, oh, he's going to be... antagonist for now, at least. I would have assumed Slugboy is definitely the more of an antagonist right now. Yeah, yeah. Because he's just a bad guy from the beginning. Should have phrased it differently.  The questionable sort of motivated.  And just being calculated, getting rid of as many people as possible. Also, a lot of people are trying to speculate possibilities and whether or not this is inconsistent with his goals. Like, why would you want to erase the people who are likely going to help you? But the thing is, I think Sungwoo has already resigned himself to the point of, I will win this. And this is the way... He asked part of the team. God. Well, I was just going to say, compare him to the first game to now. He's changed quite dramatically in terms of his approach. He's very much quieter. Specifically, all of his dialogue relates to winning, basically. All we have to believe is that he believes that the less people who survive, the better for his situation. But at the same time, I think he was gunning for the old man. I think that's the idea here. Someone said the old man is called Jiro Dreams of Sushi. And what's interesting about that is that I think that the thug's name is Jiro Nightmares of Ass Rape. What? All right. If you get that reference... I definitely don't get that reference. You get 10.  If you get that reference, you get 10 pooch points. If you laugh at it without knowing the reference, you get five pooch points. No, they should get negative pooch points at that point because they're lying to you. They're lying. That's not true. That's not true at all. No, I laughed at the pure absurdity of it. Yeah. See, Lies. Okay. So, Kev, what were you gonna say? Oh, yeah, I wonder... I can get him trying to get rid of the old man, especially if he sees him as a weak link for the team. I wonder why he doesn't say something to our protagonist because you would think that Alliance might... In the sense of... So any recommendation he gives, he'd have to be able to couch it in some other reasoning than the true reasoning because at that point he gives away, he knows the game and he should have been telling them. Yeah. Because maybe he's more analytical and not so creative. I don't know how to say that. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. I think he thinks that we'll go... He probably thought the triangles will pass, the stars will likely pass, the circles will probably pass, the umbrellas are fucked.  It's very possible. But that's the thing, I like this a lot because we get to speculate quite a bit because none of it's explicit. It's interesting. To the person in chat asking if I could say that again in Spanish, unfortunately not. The only Spanish I know is no niños en la canasta. That's the only Spanish I know, so... You're out of luck there, unfortunately. So anyway, our protag realizes, hey, the line that makes the shape is obviously thinner than the rest of it. So if we were to lick it and thus kind of melt all of it, the shape will come out before breaking or melting apart. That kind of makes sense, right? And so he goes ham, licking up a storm. He's going in there. The other people take notice and they start doing it.  The old guy.  Because of course the stars are all mostly making it out too. But Oldman had a star and it becomes clear that he probably would have died if not for the licking advice or, well, help, I guess. Because he doesn't overtly tell anyone to lick, he's just licking and everyone spots it. Yeah, and he's just, oh, those camera angles, just getting all that sweaty licking. Beautiful. Oh yeah, I love that licking, honeycombs. And it's, yeah, because a couple of the people you see licking are all thugs from thugs team that come into play a little later. We saved them as well. Yeah, I like the idea that it just spreads. You see someone doing it and then you do it and then other people see you doing it and it just spreads in a real way. Because you're like, oh, that's a good idea. I'm doing that. Because I imagine there'd be a lot of copy in the situation like this. You're always looking around like, what are other people doing? What are other people doing? People who win.  Tell me how. I licked it, motherfucker. So yeah, Oldman makes it. And right at the last second, Jehan pulls the umbrella out and it functions. I think, man, he makes it in the nick of time. Yeah, that's twice he's made it on the line. Yeah, quite a bit of that. That's kind of his thing. He intact. I think in every single game that happens to him. Not minutes to the second waste. Well, I don't know how Tug of War would count, would it? Well, I guess Tug of War would count. Well, yeah, he almost died. I guess he did almost. I thought we were talking about in terms of the timer. There's no timer on that one. It's just a matter of. There's no timer, but he keeps coming out of the skin of his teeth one way or the other in these games. Last second or almost died. Now, we have yet another part that I am not a fan of because I love that whole bit. Yeah, it's all great.  By the way, part of this isn't weird. Someone realizes they've broken their umbrella and they're hiding it. And so the guy's like, show me because obviously, as soon as you show it, you're dead. So what does he do?  I'm going to tackle you and take your gun, which is something I thought was. I figured that was a possibility for a long time. And I was glad that I saw it sort of run out. But I do wonder why they don't have a better system to prevent it. But something really weird happens and I'll get a freeze frame. Here we go. Can anyone spot the weirdness here? Freeze frame. Freeze frame. Oh, I mean, you need to that doesn't reach anywhere in this place. The guy when he goes to the lady's like, ah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is like, that's not even touching you, mate. That's not even on your skin. Yeah, it's not touching you. And yeah. They probably had it stick out longer just so the audience can see it better. Yeah. If they put it further in, maybe. It's not a long needle. What a strange and specific thing to pull off. If you know what I mean. That is, that would probably be, yeah. To get it in that little hole. But it seems like, hang on, I got to thread this through. Hang on, there we go. Hang on, no old skill. So, yeah, I laughed when I first watched this on my yoke. Because I was like, what? Like, you can see. What is happening? And then if you pay close attention. They have the revolvers and the MP5s. So, dang, I guess ones for killing and the other ones for killing. So, he grabs the pistol. And then, and I want to be very specific here, there are people in chat who know what I'm referencing. He grabs the nearest dude, okay? He doesn't grab someone for any other reason. Then they are the, look at that, nearest dude. That is why he grabs this person. I will not accept any of the lies. It just so happens to be, just so happens to be, the guy who is going to discipline the cop. Yeah, I'm going to bring that up in just a moment. So, he's got him.    Then something else that's kind of weird happens. And I can't remember who I was watching it with that brought this up. It was one of you fuckers. But they all turn around and gun down every other person. Now. I saw that too, yeah. I don't, like a lot of people bring up, it's like, did they check all of their things? Well, the timer went off, right? The logic. Yeah, but the timer went off with Jihan, you know. But they have to check to see if they finished in time. Yeah, you have to check to know that they failed. Yeah, yeah. Maybe they already got checked and they said, Hey, just stand over there. All right. Weird, right? That they would check. I don't think so yet. I feel like this is weird because we saw with Jihan that he's like, look, mine's done on the time. And then the guy's like, all right. And then we saw someone else who's like, I broke mine. And he pulls the gun, but then he gets taken. So everyone else, we have to assume that they were all checked. They failed. And then they're like, stand there, please. We will shoot you in a moment. Like that seems weird. I'll be here. I'll be standing there and running. Yeah. Well, wouldn't the logic be that, like, they would have seen their completed thing by then if they had finished? No. Right. Whoa. Not necessarily. So I'll say it again. And for those in chat who aren't following as well, we see the process for both failing and winning. Winning is they look at your shape and go, nice. We saw with Jihan the timer ends and they see his shape and go, nice. For failure, they see his shape broken. They go, wrong. Boom. So why with like 10 people did they go wrong? Stand there. We'll be back. That doesn't seem quite right. So my assumption is actually that's what I worry about.  Because if they didn't, that's not very fair. That's not fair at all. That would be very unfair of them to do that. So I don't know. I don't know what happened there. I'm not sure. I think best faith analysis is no, no, no. They all failed. You're like, okay. All right. It's just a bit strange with how we sort of run out. All right. Strange is breach in procedure, but okay.  I just don't know why it worked that way. Yeah.  Someone interested. No witnesses for the incident. I don't know. Again, doesn't seem very fair, right? Yeah. And also I'm just like, yeah, because it wasn't then we pulled the mask off. And also let's assume that they saw his face. What are they going to do? Yeah. And this is before the mask is pulled off, by the way, everybody. Also. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know that argument. But yeah. Next up, he says, lose the mask. Fuck. And the guy, which I found kind of interesting. He does just take it off and it's like, but if he knows that this will kill him, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, he's a square or something. Yeah. He's a higher level pink guy. So I thought that he would be like, you know, I know that they'll kill me if I do this. So just shoot me then. Because it's either I get shot or I get shot. So, but no, you just take it straight off. And there's the reveal here of he's pretty young. And I think the guy says, like, what did they do to you? Because yeah, that's an interesting thought, is that if the main, all their foot soldiers are actually just super young, and I guess maybe taken from a young age to be indoctrinated into this system, specifically that's how they can control them. I don't know. Yeah, they're all proficient with weapons, it seems. Extremely loyal. Yeah, I can't wait to get more backstory on this. Oh, yeah. And I think it's a nice touch. Why does he kill himself? Oh, because I think he just sees there's no, there's nothing he can do. Well, then why did he give up the hostage?  I don't know. It actually seemed like, I'm not sure that I would have made a different decision to be honest with you. I don't know. It seemed like he had really strong self-preservation skills until that moment and I'm just confused by it. I assume it's because no one would do that, but.  At least I get to go on my own teams, presumably. I can see how some people would do that. I certainly wouldn't, but that's, I guess that's him. I don't have an issue with it. Yeah, or just kind of randomly shoot at the triangle man just to take a few out before you go, I guess. You could try that. Yeah, well the one thought is that he, he has him as a hostage and they don't immediately shoot both of them, so clearly him having the hostage is working to a degree now, whether he could ever like fully escape is a whole nother thing, but I just don't know why he gives up. I thought there was a level of, he doesn't even like the fact he's doing this with what looks to be a teenager. Yeah, I suppose he does let him go before he knows that. Does he?  And when he sees as a kid, that's when he's like rethinks this. I guess, yeah. Maybe he realizes they're just all kids. Yeah, this is all fucked. Yeah, I suppose. Regardless, shoots himself and then our square there for revealing his face gets shot by the front man. Very unceremoniously. The one thing I did like about this, by the way, is when he shoots himself, the kid doesn't move an inch. Like he's so unfazed by it, because he just presumably seen a lot of death at this point, which is just, yeah. Well, I imagine it's all like, well, he's probably just numb like realize as well, I'm dead too, so. Yeah, that could be as well.  A lot of people like that. There's comments to be made about all of that, I would say.  So, I don't know how to just. So Detective Man, he's wandering about, he walks up to the corpse of the square and then it plays the sound. The seed, it replays him saying, we will, I will talk to you after the game. As if to tell the audience, you see he's safe now, because this is the one who said he wanted to speak to him. It's like, oh my God. Also, how would you determine that? I guess he, that was the only square in there and he knew that that was the one. It wasn't the only square in there. There was another one behind. I guess he had an eye on him the whole time. But why was he allowed to stay in that room if he wasn't supposed to be there? I guess because the guy said, see me after the game is done, I guess. Yeah, but why would he wait? I don't know.  You know, I don't think this makes sense. Well, you know what else doesn't make sense, right? He picks up the square mask and just keeps it.  Promotion!   Like, oh, a square hat's just dropped down.  Yeah, you would think they know how many squares they have and that one of them was just killed and that if they just see another square out and about, it would raise some questions. I would say it should do that to the least. Yeah. I was very disappointed with that payoff what I saw that episode, because I really loved everything over the game, but, yeah. Want in the world, because he picks up the square and I think the show's vibe is like, hey, isn't that cool? He's used his ingenuity to rise through the right. No, no. We did. He was the luckiest. Arguably, he has made his job even harder, because now he has to be the one giving instructions instead of just being told what to do and doing it.  He can just do whatever he wants. Oh, those people are wrong. Very wrong. All of the circles will be like, sir, hello, what are you, like, you're our manager here. Yeah, what should I be doing? Yeah, tell us what to do. You have to organize us. You have to do all these things. Whereas if you're some peon, whatever, you could just do like, oh, just do the thing. Gotcha, I'll do it. I'll just do my simple menial task and that'll be nice and easy for me. And you've got, as people point out, it's like you have an extra square now.  Yeah. How do you not take account for this?  You've lost one shape and gained another. How did this happen? Where didn't die after all? Yay. Man, we should shoot more of our people who just get free labor.   They still just treated him like the front man because of the mask. I changed my clothing. I prefer the pink. Uh, so Dr. Bro is moving through. We get this, this, you could call this explanation. I don't know about that. We see someone see them on the cameras and then he presses some buttons and they are now on a loop of some kind where you can't tell that's what's happening. And I'm assuming he scrubbed the record of them. But this, you don't really throw.  It's too, it's just too, too like, there's no way you get away with this. They have like arcade controls. He basically just pressed B twice and it deleted the footage and replaced it with a loop. And it's like, give them computers at least. No, well, every button is really multiple buttons. You have the press, a double press. You have a press hold to really take what you see multiply by three. Mark Brown told us all about this. What I really don't like is this shot because it's him being like, I hope no one in this room notices. Come on.  He programmed this. Oh yeah, there's another thought about this because, okay, so we will find out. I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, but we will find out that there are people The last of our worries right now. There are people watching that aren't here. And for any of them not to see what just happened, this can't be all live broadcast. So this has to be broadcast out later. So how does that work? How does no one see the disappearing people? Well, yeah, there's someone out there who will have been like, I like this doctor guy. He seems, wait, why does he keep disappearing every time the games? What's that about? Yeah. So many holes. Anyway, back to the good story. Jihan is going back and he's thinking and they replay the scene of Song Wu not giving him the information that he could have and he's definitely not happy about it, but his thought is cut off by the old man being like, hey dude, you saved my life with the licking thing. And then he's like, no, it's just a nice little juxtaposition and we can just sit here happy as audience members like, yay, old man. Yay, licking. I mean what? I'm pro licking. I think that's true. Pro licking.   All right. All right. Ali is like, yay, our team. And Song Wu is like, yes, yes, yes, good, yes.  Super awkward, but understandable. Yeah, and I just think it's cool that Ali is just so happy to see them. It's like, oh. Nice little team we got here. What are we, some site?  Some kind of squid squad. Some kind of squid squad. I like it. Squid squad. Some kind of squid squad. Song Wu suggests that he was wrong for doing the separating. And Jihan gets a choice here and he goes with, ah, it's fine. You couldn't have known. Choosing the umbrella is my call. And then this is just the beginning of Song Wu constantly looking guilty as fuck. Just like throughout the whole season. Yeah. Yeah. So we got winnings to go through. Good stuff, lads. A lot of people got killed. Excellent. High fives all around. Good times. And it's pretty much just like we're in a flow now because everyone sees the cash poor again. Lots of people smiling. Lots of, like, I think Thugman puts his arm around the girl like, ah, yeah. And it's just like, man, I guess we've given up on the horrors of this. We just go with it now. It's like, buddy, buddy, buddy. And then we get the dreaded moment of egg and water. And it's like, hmm, oh, soda.  And then lady is like, hey, if we line up twice, we can get food again. And this is going to cause issues because apparently they only provide enough to give one of each to every person. But there's no rules on how many times you can queue up. So that means someone's going to go hangy, which causes problems. Now, we want to introduce the idea that you are actually allowed to kill people when prior it was implied you couldn't.  And it's just implied don't attack people is kind of this implication. So we need a way to signal to the players that that's a possibility now. So these guys taking some food leads to someone going hungry, leads to them complaining and then knocking the drink out of Thugman's hands until they have a bit of a tussle. And he kicks him because he punches him in the face first, but he's still alive after that. He kicks him in the chest several times and that kills him. Yeah, you're surprised he was killed by that. But I'm like, yeah, it's not impossible. It's just not impossible. I think you should have solved that a bit more. I think you had the broken bottle right there to stab him with.   And then it's like he's dead. And I remember when I first watched, he's been like, really? Damn. Yeah. Yeah, he's gone. And then you realize it's actually very important in the narrative that this happens because they don't chastise anybody. They simply take the body away and drop money into them in the bank, which means there is an alternative. You can kill each other. Yeah, which I think they could have done that better. It's just very clearly setting that up, which, by the way, that's hugely important going forward, obviously. Don't worry, guys. If you just follow the rules, you can make it to the end. It's very easy. Well, so, yeah, I guess that'll be another seed for talking ultimately about how the rules work and what fairness means in this world. But we'll have to get a little further before we talk about that probably. Yep.  He killed them. Boo. But then it's just become clear that that's fine, actually. And so now everyone already starts talking about all this. Tonight's going to be bad, because if you can kill people, the Thugman team is probably going to try and white people out. But before we talk about that, I'm willing to give up the pretense now. There are two plot lines in this show. One of them is really entertaining and interesting.       It could have been really interesting. That could have been our way of how do we as the audience learn about this organization? It's through the detective who's infiltrated this place and he's doing the best he can. Also, we have our other cast of characters who are in the game. I thought originally that was kind of what they were going for, which sort of is the case.      This is bad ass, but in a bad way.  Yeah, really disappointed with the detective. That's good because I'm glad we don't have to push too hard on the detective stuff. Seems a lot of people are already on board with it, but we will explain all of it. Don't worry. Go ahead. I was just kind of ignoring everything that happened with him, like all the inconsistencies.  I was the same on my first watch through. And where it ends up is why I take so much issue with all of it.   Yeah, so we're seeing everyone deal with the good old um, coffins off to the side is a circle who just looped off his mask and he's popping on the square one. And like, how, how are you allowed to do that? How is the system? How? And I think we're supposed to believe, and this is something I've gone for people who like this show, that he's pocketing the circle one and he puts that back on when he needs to go to sleep and stuff. So he just pops on the square one whenever he needs to be authoritative, but nobody notices a thing, even though they have specific amounts of squares and circles in any place at any time. Seems like something you just wouldn't be able to get away with. And it seems like something that not only you couldn't get away with, it's not something that you'd want to try and get away with.  Now you have to know this place. Absolutely. The smart decision.  Nice and easy. Don't rock the boat instead of, yep, I'm gonna be giving the orders. You betcha. Smart decision, I hope I know all of them now.   I should take this as a chance to just be a normal circle. Instead he's like, ah, but take his mask. You're like, ugh.  Anyway, someone's like, hey, you. I think the show thinks it's so clever because he's like, why aren't you doing your job? And he turns around. He's like, you have to have permission to speak to your superiors. Like it's the thing that they say to him when he first did that. And he's like, oh, look at that. He's lending. Like, yeah, okay. I guess you can say that. How we got to this point is the issue. Very much so. The most thing he's done. I don't believe this character is smart enough to do that.  But okay, hello, sir. Yeah. I also find it strange that the whole operation functions smoothly and effortlessly when the circles can't tell the squares anything. You know, I guess it can't be before. You have to wait for the map permission to speak, yeah. I guess. Yeah, it's an odd choice. Especially if a triangle sees a square being really suspicious. And like he wants to go tell another square and just stands in front of him for permission to speak. Maybe they're allowed to say, sir. I don't know. Maybe. Who knows. But yeah, you're able to infer it before they're explicit about it. But Dr. Men is chopping up bodies and getting organs out of them. You know, like what? And the where all does that? Disgustan. That's not kind. Yeah, we'll come back to that in a moment. But yeah, all the groups are speculating on like, so we're all going to die.  We got to group up and fight. And yeah, I think someone was just like, everyone's got to team up, be strong while Oldman is like falling asleep in the background. And so it's like, you know, please help. Jihan offers Andrew a chance to join.  I don't trust anybody here. And then he says, I think he says you don't trust people here. You trust people here because you have to or something like that. Just meaning that if you don't work with someone, you're done so in this place. That's actually probably important for a conversation about theme. I've read an interview or two where the writer-director has talked about that idea specifically that you don't trust people because they're trustworthy. You trust them because you have no better choice. Yeah, which is basically what he says. An interesting thought. Got to trust somebody. Sorry, wait, is like, yeah, I was about to say, he's like, I'm sorry, he feels that way. Well, no, he's talking about in that squid game specifically. I don't know. Oh, yeah, that in that case. All right. Okay. Because well, the director definitely feels that way. You can tell from interviews. The director is very cynical. We can talk about, you know, authorial intent. I was going to say, if he really feels like that about life, that sucks to met plenty of people that are really trustworthy. I'm legit. He needs to find more cool people. Like Santa Claus. Like Santa Claus is really fair about the whole naughty nice thing. You can trust that. Pretty good rules. But yeah, they scan and number 29 or 28, sorry, is in the organ room. And it's like, oh wait, if you guys remember, number 28 was the one that was looking at 29 funny. And then they're like, where's 29? It's like 29 is not showing up. And so I almost want to talk about this when it gets to be a little bit more content. But we'll put a big pin in that. I understand. Yeah. Put an enormous pin in that. The pin is huge. It's a little water that seed. That seed is we're almost fully grown. We are almost to the point where we'll have to talk about this. Yeah, we're just like fruit on that mine. Oh, yes. Well, yeah, just keep that in mind. They pass the doctor an egg. And that's got the clue in it. He's got a little note for the next game. However, they like, just make sure you focus on surviving tonight. And he's like, well, what do you mean? He's like, tonight they're going to weed out the weaklings, which I have questions about that. Might want to hang on to that statement until we talk later about other stuff. Yeah. Okay. And they follow up with saying, it's all a part of the game. It's like, um, this seems like it's doesn't seem like it's probably okay. All right. All right. Present. Okay. And they say, stick with the strongest. That's the only way you'll live. And to me, that's a little bit more overt in terms of maybe a point they want to be trying to make in general. But it's fine. We'll, we'll, we'll let that happen for a moment. We'll come back to it. Gets his note and he gets to join the thug team by giving them that he has the information on the next game, which makes complete sense. Meanwhile, God is so frustrated. Squareman is just walking around seemingly awkwardly away from where other people are going. He doesn't know what the fuck's going on. He's just walking. Which is the same in swimming downstream. Even as a, as a square, like they all have assigned roles they have to do. Yeah. And apparently, because it seems like they're like a strict schedule of everything to get this all done.  What's this look right here? Where he's like, what's going on? Oh, there's a space for me. Okay, I'll go here. It's like, come on. I guess I'll guess this was made just for me. Guess I'll check it out. I guess my designated location is right over there. Apparently his body language, his voice, his lack of any weaponry. Like none of this is a problem.  This is like, God, this is so lame, but fine, I guess. Someone in the chat pointed out how exactly did they get a note inside of a hard boiled egg with a shell on it? Injected it. You can inject notes. I don't know. Maybe they... How did I not think of that? There's that and also the fact that they didn't just tell him. You're absolutely right. I've never understood this whole, we give you these weird, because the clue I assume reads tug of war, right? But you could just be like... Tug of war. Why doesn't the note just say you will have to form a team and play tug of war to win? I understand they've got limited space, but we're literally... It's less evidence and more detailed to just say it to him instead of putting tug of war on a note in an egg.  Yeah. How do you get a note in an egg?  Exactly. If we want to understand, by the fourth game, I believe they just don't tell him and like that's what causes the big problem. So yeah, we'll get there. So that would be why they're done. At least that's why they're not being told straight up by the third game. Now, we get a scene... So there it... We gotta slow it because we'll get to these things, okay? The seeds we have planted are already coming to fruition. We get in there. Because we're almost halfway through now. How scary is that? Only four and a half hours. Oh man. I'm very upset this way. Because I'm really upset we're not doing this on a Saturday now. I've caught the flume, Sam and I. I'm the flume this time around where discord... fucks with it. What do you mean? With the audio coming through. Oh okay, it's just usually in every call there's one flume who doesn't... I haven't noticed anybody yet. I'm with somebody else. I haven't noticed anybody this time. Well, yeah. But anyway, it's probably worth saying that... You might be by the way. I haven't noticed it yet. Oh, everybody in chat. Some people are saying that it's drowning it out. I will keep an ear out for it. What I will say though is very unlikely we're going to be able to do super chats today when we're not even through episode four. Well, yeah. What I was going to say is we're not through episode four yet and plus we're holding off a lot Yeah, lots of discussions. A lot of discussions, yeah. So next we get a scene that I thought was pretty neat. The not necessarily for the wider contacts just for the way the lighting works and just trying to follow the action but then all the things that the individuals do in this scene. Okay, right before we get to that so they decide to start building barricades around their little corners. I don't think they've done that in this. No, that's after that's after fighting. You're right. You're right. I jumped the gun. Everybody at this point is fearful. Something may happen and they're right. People start dying and screaming and stuff. I think they said if anything should happen we should meet up because I don't think everyone's convinced that they'll just be murders but there are specifically Thugman just digging his glass bottle into people. So the flashing lights are happening. It's confusing what's happening with everybody and Thugman immediately goes after good old Andrew. What he doesn't expect is that she's got the knife and so that gives her let's say a fighting chance and I think that's where you would say that's why it was important that she has that knife not just for the vent and the clue but also the fact that she may have died without it. So it's significant as a consequence for her to be able to have it which I don't think they very well justified but that's all right. She's kind of escaping. I think Jihan is noticing it all fall apart and then his like set of beds is pushed down and we get into I don't know that I would claim there's some longer shots in this that are pretty cool despite the fact that it's hard to quite make out everything that's happening because of the flashing but lots of people getting torn to shreds. Terrifying stuff. But there's this moment of like back and forth thing where I think someone goes to hit Jihan and as that's happening and they're pretty successful Ali grabs their weapon and then Sangwoo hits that person when they've lost their weapon and he gets hit away Ali follows up like there's a lot of team work in this bit that's pretty cool. Yeah our lads looking after themselves and yeah the three of them are like we got to find Oldman and Oldman's disappeared don't know what's going on with that. And I think the next significant event is that Andrew walks up to the other that's like yo I would like to join the team now. This is not this is going as great I think she said something like you said to meet here right and Jihan actually pushes her out of the way of Thugman another big big old fight breaks out with lots of people sort of following up for other people until Ali grabs like a big pole and like swigs it back and forth just to separate out a line. It's kind of neat in terms of just like again strength boy.  And I think that's when Oldman gives a speech about please stop fucking killing each other this is horrible we're all gonna die please don't and uh first run through you see frontman notice in that and then he's like okay stop which I think second run through is kind of there's an extra angle there yeah and yeah the lads walk in and the square is like leading them it feels so weird because you know that he has no idea what the fuck he's doing it's just like yeah yeah charge I guess surely he's expected to give orders but he doesn't yeah lucky yeah lucky that this is one of those times where the square doesn't have to fucking say anything at all but this is the one time possibly the one time I can't think of any others where the plots cross over and he simply walks up to Jihan and says hey do you know where this person is by name and then Jihan's like they don't do names here that's it yeah super interesting which is why I can believe this was tacked on by the way yeah just just no consequences but Thugman loses the knife that he took off and drew and I think I don't know if they get a lighter or does she still have that I can't remember well the Thugman gave it back to her as they were walking back from the game so she I don't remember if they do have a smoke they do have a smoke after they have their sexy time so I guess they still have it at this point oh yeah oh you're right you're right I wonder if that was always a backup plan burn the rope to separate the rope that probably would work because they were just I don't know they could fuck up a lot of ways anyway so that happens a lot of people were killed I don't know the exact number um yeah our team is uh I'm pretty sure if there were like a hundred basically like a hundred people left and then it was 80 off to it yeah it was a hundred yeah seven before and then it ended with 80 I guess that's convenient that it's a nice round even number for the next game well well I'm sure that they have plans if you know because half the time this these shenanigans happen it will be an odd number left so they I'm I'm totally fine with the idea that they have plans in case there's not a yeah proper number of people some form of a contingent here yeah um then our team maybe or they just there are reasons or the odd person out just gets to pass well we saw yeah we saw what happens when there's an odd person in Venice yeah that's one of the reasons we'll come back to it um so they're all like yay we survived don't let's share names with each other and um say bioc like I said it is a name that's probably not pronouncing it properly but that's the best I can do damn it uh we're trying fine yeah me alone and um they're all like old man what's your name and spends a decent amount of time trying to remember it but can't and Jihann sort of laughs it off it's like ha I don't even remember where I live sometimes it's chill yeah sometimes I'm stressed out yeah yeah that's a nice thing for him to say he's fucking really good to the old dude this uh yeah you know what they're up to writing stuff like that um but yeah I I think of that point as a viewer you're like oh boy I hope this the brain thing doesn't play into one of the games at some point because that's gonna be tragic as hell I think Mal you literally said that we'll be watching it actually sorry I said it again what did I say that uh you're worried as Alzheimer's is gonna fuck with one of the games it's like yeah yeah yeah maybe well maybe not um so what did chat said this goes nowhere I'm not sure what there's nowhere I'm not sure what they're referring to um anyway the money is is pushed in and um then Oldman and Crazy Lady have the big sacks and I would argue is specifically because she would have realized from episode two three that um that's something he wants and so it's probably good for survival strategy because as soon as they're doing it she's like yo we're gonna last together right me and you and he's like sure so um with with given that a shot I suppose and back to detective man oh yeah that's right he's having himself a little sleep and he's updating his notepad as you do he's got shapes rank mask leader gun massacre riot abetting murder my brother like what the hell these notes are shite he needs a he needs a reminder that that's what he's looking for my brother oh man and these are notes of shit he's seen it's like you haven't seen your brother shut the fuck up but like why not write notes that makes sense to someone who finds them in case you don't make it I don't know so here's the coughing again and he figures hey that could be Morse code and um he has a look at it and it reads out number 29 so the guy coughing is trying to get number 29's attention like okay wonder where that goes I know you all you go guys don't know no I'm curious I'm just as curious as you are really yeah it's about time I think that we prep for this next game yeah 29 and 28 giving themselves looks at each other he's put away his square this time he's putting on the circle like we keep it on I guess I don't know we'll we'll catch up with more on that in future but here comes the shocking anti-feminist moment in this show where the way he says collect men for our team we don't want women or old people oof because um it's like yeah uh song was pretty straightforward he just says look whatever this thing's gonna be it's more than likely better to be a strong guy young to middle age that's just what we want to do it everyone in our current team of which he's not happy about by the way having a man and an old man and a lady he's like everyone go grab a guy I think after oh yeah so they're all they're all sent out to grab the unable bodied person and it's just interesting to see the results but um one of the things he says to Ali before going to do it is hide the fact that you've lost two fingers because it'll make you look weak which is uh a little harsh but potentially true so maybe it's worth it well hey it's good advice if you want them to you know you don't want to look weak so people will join our team yeah I think it's the idea with with song woo it's just like that's a little bit insensitive but it may lead to our victory so it's like it's like the place for sensitivity necessarily not quite no and so I think Ali finds someone relatively quickly and I think it's because do they share religion is that the connective piece that he gets him on I think I'm not sure because uh obviously I think you're right yeah um old man's having no luck at all just like nobody's gonna talk to him about anything obviously which sucks and song woo is like hey dude you can join us and the dude's like yeah if you can bring my wife at he's just like we have too many Whibbid by like oh yeah it's like oof and the fact the fact he says we have too many girls where they have one like he's uh definitely making sure he gets this shit done um you know it's funny to rewatch but uh you guys rubber the religion man the yeah yeah later episodes that's the one I forget yeah that's uh Jihan brings him in on this the rope thing um and yeah and there's a girl who's just chilling out on her own no one's chatting with her and uh Andrew brings her in and so that's essentially our results knowing there that we've got four dudes but we're missing or I say four dudes four people who have been brought in uh but we haven't the old man wouldn't have brought anybody in so like how's it gonna work meanwhile everyone has sought themselves into teams with crazy lady being booted out by thug team because they would rather have nine 10 guys than nine guys and a girl which means who ends up with her I mean it seemed it was kind of nicely done for me because they they were they were all discussing the fact that they died that she just walks into frame like hey it's like oh and um yeah I think song was like I told you to get dudes and um the bonus girl is like I guess I'll leave then and then Jihan's like no no no no stay and it's just representative of the very much dichotomous perspectives right now because you don't want to be that guy but at the same time you're like dude we could die I'm just saying yeah sucks but okay yeah let's just be nice yeah uh and so yeah they get a third girl because they really got no choice and then you find out the game as we've kind of measured already is tug of war which is like oh oh um very cool environment um but this would be an example where you have to have losers the other games you didn't so far yes yeah technically yes this kind of dramatically shifts it in that respect and I think I think uh especially it should shift the idea in people's heads about like what what chance they have of making it to the end if they just follow the rules you know what I mean yeah uh because it's like we're getting into zero some game territory plus so that's uh that will come up actually I think in the next episode so we can talk about it but uh yeah this is a moment of everyone's looking at their teams Thugman's team is just all dudes and then our team is like strong dude strong dude girl girl old man girl is like uh hmm pretty fragile um and so of course in the way they should probably do it we get to see an example game first uh I think it's Thugman team versus just a set of 10 people I don't think we really recognize um this is a pretty high stakes game of tug-of-war I'm assuming you guys will play tug-of-war IRL at some point maybe I have played tug-of-war at some point absolutely um yeah so I said this I can't refuse to freeing or all of you but um this was an incredibly satisfying episode for me because I learned in good old PE strategies for tug-of-war that go well beyond strength I hope these come up because that's going to be the way that they escape this because they're not winning on strength and that's going to be the point I think and um obviously yeah so we first get an example of the team they just get dragged off they have like a gear team sort of thing that chops the the rope and I did wonder at one point like imagine it didn't quite cut it that would be fucking terrible it'd be like holy fuck you guys got a bit of hold on um until we get it reset but yeah I guess they're chained to it they don't have to hold on oh no not those ones the the ones that are pulling on the other side oh yeah the other ones yeah yeah yeah mm-hmm um be stressful but yeah it always chops it so yeah it's fine but um yeah we get our team versus team of dudes um also in the meantime we spot a circle sort of smearing a cross of blood on one of the covens now that we see it later and it's dried really well when you put a dab of blood on a glove and write a cross with it that shit is just probably gonna dry clear when it's that thin on a black box um absolutely yeah but whatever it's fine you know it's a part of the detective plot line so we'll just ignore it for now okay so yeah our teams go up and they're all like shitting on the old dude for being like he's gonna be the reason we lose and then he's like let me tell you the things I know about tug of war and he basically lays out everything I knew about tug of war so I was very satisfied by this meaning yeah and I didn't know this so it was nifty for me to listen to yeah yeah and it all made sense when a listener is like oh yeah yeah I can see that being a thing yeah you uh then he was like yeah that is a thing I was like ah nice so those listening you got you put your strongest guy at the back he's like an anchor then you put um I think he's like progressively stronger as you progress so like then weakest and you put you go to the strongest by the time you hit the end again you need people alternating each side which I think if you look at some of the ways people set up in this they have like seven on one side and then three on the other so it's very much like they're not really thinking about it while our team does it like uh every other one is on each side then there's a when you start you don't uh pull per se or you don't like try to tug it forward to your end you just you just hold your position um yeah you squeeze it under your arms and then pull back and then like stay there and anchor your legs so the and he specifically says because this shit is going to make the enemy confused for frustrated and then they will slip up like inevitably because they're going to be like the fuck and then it's all delivered quite I quite like the way they do all of this like we see all of it unfolding as he's explaining the rules and by the time he reaches the first sort of idea of how this would work we start to already see it tugging so it's just all it's all really lined up really well paced while I guess I should say um and yeah one of them slips and so Jihan lets them all know and they start tugging they're doing real well until we get a problem which is that they recover and this team's raw strength is just not pulling them through and they're starting to lose our team and there's only one thing else I knew about tug of war which is like a a risky tactic but that you walk forward to make the other side fall and then you pull back and I was hoping they'd do it and they did and that's um that's the climax for the episode we see them walk forward and then it cuts what I gotta wonder is the person at the front of the line of the rope like how did he not die from like falling on all of the bodies of his friends you'd think that like the guy in front of the line who's about to die all of everybody else hits the floor but he's got to land on all the bodies right do you mean the one the back would theoretically fall on all the bodies no the guy in the right it would be the front because they're dangling right the guy in the back is hitting the ground first so imagine it's like the guy at the front of the line he's the last to hit the body he'd probably like laying on the bodies and he'd be fine he's not dead if he'd be fine if he's playing yeah but he couldn't survive I would say well if you remember us there's a guy who does survive right and they they take him in for the doctor they just kind of cram him in the box anyway yeah yeah and we've seen that before in episode one even if you're not dead they'll just incinerate you anyway oof yeah so it's a fun life um but yeah uh particularly tension fall which is quite the thing to celebrate for this show considering um where like they would never kill all of the main characters but at the same time you worry for him early sighted oh yeah once again Gihan almost dies oh no he do indeed he get pulled right right off um and yeah and I think this was noticed by several people I've watched this show with but uh right when it's pretty much clear that they're gonna win um because of the progress they've made and that the other other team are gonna lose I think we get a shot of Gihan's face like understanding that is the case and he's not exactly happy no not happy that he's responsible for the deaths of the others pretty much yeah it's right there like once they've knocked them off balance they pull them off he looks genuinely concerned while song we was just like yeah kill them piss on their corpses oh my god yes uh it's pretty rough because in order to win you have to kill all of them and this is the first time that's been more explicitly true and yeah it takes a toll which is good because it should um yeah you can sort of breathe a breath of fresh actually like fuck our team did survive this even though the odds were against them but I feel like they really earned this writing wise yeah mm-hmm and uh just gives you appreciation for Oldman and uh song we because he's the one that mentions this three steps forward thing which gets them through um and we get I think in the elevator Godman is is praying and girl who we've known for very little is like fuck you praying for that was these two that got us through that not God and uh I think she even says like you've sent them to heaven or whatever those people does that make you like she asked a whole bunch of questions where it's just like I don't know he's just praying like just God's dumb you know God's dumb God's dumb God is dumb well so this is the thing I actually would have found it a little bit cringe if not for what we hear from her later uh exactly yeah because uh I have no fucking problem with people praying just leave him alone but at the same time she has very big issues with religion indeed she does and yeah I think most of the team is just like we go home this sucks this has been horrible meanwhile thugman team are all like smiling and laughing they're like yeah we did it we beat the fuck out of those just like God I fucking hate you guys but how a team like how a team like stubble in and thugman team is like what yeah what's up we go again how is Oldman alive how is Gil alive it's it's all they must have cheated that's what it is um yeah we don't actually see the third game happen not like we necessarily need to but hey nah yeah we're seeing more of whatever happened with that blood cross unfold over time I I don't know how to I guess we'll just try and do this as the scenes come up instead of um before we leave this uh room now might be a decent time to bring up the fact that illustrations of the games are on the walls the entire time well we were gonna bring that up at some point um this is the time I think everyone there is kind of verging on dumb for not having noticed because when when they come after tug of war everything's been rearranged yeah I know you mean um I'll do you one even better when I first saw that they were on the walls I thought that was really neat and then I thought about it for longer and I was like actually no someone should have noticed this yes not just now but literally from as early as the start exactly when you had a bed right up against the wall could have seen yeah if anybody was gonna notice it's gonna be song woo he's been paying attention the most somebody has to notice when you're in that room all day yeah I mean what you ain't got much else going on in your life for most of the day so that is such an amazingly bad design choice I think they wanted it to be a neat reveal but it just it just makes me think like oh man someone should have spotted that and some of the diagrams are very clearly the games they're playing yes and the tug of war one never brings it up yeah tug of war one's huge the giveaway just stick figures holding a rope because it's like that's tug of war there's not many much else to interpret there so the so the guy who is operating who um who is like tell me about the game tell me about the game do you think the guys and the master are like is should we tell them should we tell them so that's actually where it creates a more legitimate problem outside of the one we just mentioned I don't know that I believe that they well we're getting there we're very close to that now so we'll get this is actually the thing episode five might be my least favorite episode from I know a lot of people have different picks but I remember as being the one that was kind of shit before episode six and it's there's so much detective plot line in this one there's some good character stuff but oh we're gonna have to talk all about the organs now organs wagons I love me I love I'm pro organ I love organs is there anything else would you yeah that all right no no just I just wanted to publicly express my my like my preference towards I'm pro organ I I really like organs I might even say your pro organ kind of great no ha you're not proven damn all right let's you know I'm from pro organ yes I didn't catch the games on a wall until they were only three people left and that's the thing I think that's fair for us not to notice because we're not in the room yeah we're trying to pay attention to the story and characters we don't live in that room for days because I saw I know are they in the same room than before or are they in a different room I will say it creates a very very frustrating viewing experience when you notice right after the tug of war game and then wonder why none of our smart characters ever bring it up yeah that's fair yeah uh so where was I gonna go is what was I doing I don't even know uh they she's kind of crazy ladies like wow we work so great as a team and then Ali is pointing out you fucking suck you were like no let's not do the plan and he and he's like you were winding like me me me me like that if you guys listen to the dub for this it is cringeworthy you just want to die I don't know who dubs crazy ladies voice but I've seen so many clips of her and it's like oh god please have mercy I I don't think I've wanted a character to die so much in quite some time have you seen Train to Busan yes yes I have there's a guy in that that I assume everybody always wants to die over and over again oh for sure I find her more obnoxious anytime she appears on screen she might be more obnoxious but she's much less of a horrible piss oh yeah don't don't don't get me wrong it's just anytime she appears on screen I go yeah like Darth Vader is a horrible person but I wasn't like yeah I can't wait till this guy dies I'm like more of him more of him more of Vader yeah but Vader's cool he wears black she is no what we're trying to say is she is no Darth Vader I can see that argument I can see that she is not Darth Vader there's a lot there no Darth Vader on our villain tier list she is significantly below Darth Vader I guess I'll go I'll go to bat for a little bit I don't um I'm more interested in the fact I don't hate it though she's clearly um doing everything she can to survive as a person that doesn't have a lot to offer yeah absolutely I don't have an issue with her as a character in that regard I understand fine annoying no she's no Darth Vader poorly written I just can't stand her and I want her to die I think that was the idea pretty much she was yeah there's a good little moment here where they're talking about their plans now and the fucking the god dude is like we should find a weak team and go after them first and she says for a resident priest you sure are bloodthirsty and then he just says everyone's hands are bloody it's like the way to justify it I suppose but yeah everyone getting closer and closer just being cool with killing everyone else I assume that's relevant to the overall point being made so yeah I think they decide they commit to a barricading which makes some sense it's the best thing you can do in this environment I suppose especially in the long fucking room and uh look at that diagram on the wall they're I know I know that's interesting there's no way they wouldn't notice it's impossible specifically I like I'll agree with you like they should have noticed before but now there's literally a tug of war image come on hey guys uh what's this supposed to be um that's what I do like here is is Thugman's like lol I'm we're gonna come kill all of you and then he's like bro you're like teamed up with a whole bunch of people who want to win and you're the strong one don't you think you know and when I was watching this I was just like yeah I'd be worried if I were you also is the stream down oh oh no not like you're a little little hiccup but it's it's all good okay apparently we good all right that's good definitely it's good that we're good a good point being made by Jihan though it's like you should be more concerned and what I think is less said here but very true is that Thugman concludes probably shouldn't week out the weaker one uh weed out the weaker ones because isn't it better to have more red shirts for myself in a sense and I think that's what he concludes is like yes team we could go and kill all of them but then I don't want to split my team in half and start killing that I was like we'll just keep them around so that they can always be the ones that die I think that's the angle but yeah just complicated and and that's the thing that that makes me question why they deliberately the the organization deliberately starts a fight so they'll thin out the weakest like that's their reasoning but uh it doesn't seem like it's an incentive strategy that will definitely thin out the weakest especially if anyone has the idea to kill the stronger contestants and I wonder from an entertainment standpoint like the people watching this as a show in universe are they entertained by everyone killing each other at night or would they be like no no no I want the games someone that I want them yeah I like the games I like them participating in games yeah as there is a lot to talk about that yeah we're getting closer to knowing they don't seem they don't seem to care much for actual gamesmanship and sport but we'll get into that so um I think they're just talking about their shifts and they eventually commit meanwhile oh yeah I think fast forwarding we just have um Songwu and Ali are the first on on shift I think they shift food again good happy lads song food yeah I think they share some history with each other here this is definitely a series of character moments because this this whole episode we're not going to be getting another game I think that's how they try and pace it out I guarantee you it could actually have been that the original series had like game and then episode two getting them back in and then every other episode was a game and then Netflix were like it's gotta be longer than just the six seven episodes whatever that's possible didn't learn from we didn't learn from Chernobyl and it's five episodes yeah yeah midnight mass was seven you know that was great no it was six episodes and a mistake six and some weird thing that happened we don't know we don't talk about it uh so uh yeah like this sequence is I think them explaining to each other their motives because Ali is like need money family flumes um which is interesting to think about in terms of other characters learning about what other people have at stake Evesi says in Pakistan like all of his family are gonna be reliant on uh him being able to make some money uh meanwhile some other people here may not have situations like that and it's something to think about um even Sangwoo's having trouble listening to him say like he's got a one-year-old he's looking out for because Sangwoo's biggest investment I would say is gonna be his mother in case the loan sharks come for here but um ultimately a lot of what he's doing this for is to pay off his own debts because it's something to think about right it's like is it is it more complex is it more important that you survive or the person that's got many people looking after the sort of reliant on them I don't know I imagine that's part of what the point they were making but anyway Mr. 28 guides Mr. 29 into the secret organ place so at this point I think it's we need to explain what the fuck's happening here within the situation within this this company this institution this this underground black market crazy squid game we have a group of workers who are secretly running an organ harvesting operation they have access to many portions of the building they have people on cameras to be able to cover for them they run they're just they're running this operations that already for me was a little bit hard to swallow I know a lot of people I think Gary was like I think this is cool that that's kind of running there and he thinks that that's something that would likely come out of it with all the people that get you know cycled through I just don't know that the security would have ever allowed for this to ever happen yeah especially they I don't know why you would the security is expensive now this is the problem like can I please what I was trying to talk like again as get kind of hello go ahead metal oh yeah well this is your we're yeah no I thought I actually thought I just flew down my my discord shut itself we can hear you you're good especially if they they build this whole thing where they have this mechanical release in the furnaces and everything like how the fuck they built this there they built a good question well they they they built this whole thing behind the fridge as well it's like when so you gotta be careful about the nature of the criticism here because you'll have a lot of people and they will be in chat saying the company knows about this so you've got to criticize it either that they should have been found out or they should never have been allowed to conduct this all right it's one of those two you have to accept one of them a lot of people like well that is you know it's in fairness like like he says he doesn't care if they're selling body parts that's a little bit later in fact that's this episode I think um that does not sit well with me at all same ridiculous I think that does seem a little unprincipled I'll just also say that's a huge it's a huge security issue yeah there's loads of ways information can leak out through that you're literally having them deal with fucking organ people outsiders yeah this is an incredibly incredibly high-risk operation they're doing on top of an incredibly incredibly high-risk organization it is frustrating to say the least um but for those who are a little bit confused how this works people die in the games one or two or three bodies are taken each time put through they put into a furnace a specific one mind you that has a button on it that makes it so that the coffin falls through a contraption that then gets pulled into a secret area it's like part one is already like wait but wouldn't there be evidence that the coffin is I don't know how you I guess you had to build do you have to build it this way this is this doesn't seem like something you can build after the fact you know so that's a big wonder already but then they have the doctor come in and harvest the bodies to take out the organs to store them and it's like wait so this is all reliant on having a doctor among the players what if you didn't have a doctor yep I guess this batch oh I guess we don't get to organ harvest this game cycle tell all our black market organ clients that we just don't have anything I'm sure they'll be fine plus and they're explicit about how like they need to get these things going that's important and it's just like so what do you do if you don't have a doctor I don't get it then you better hope that doctor survives the first game all of the games yeah like ooh sorry harvest is over early guys ooh this is because this is weird back and forth at one point where they're like I think I could do this doesn't look that hard and I've heard on the news that nurses do it as well as doctors you're like what harvesting organs and you really think you could just casually okay they probably need to work once they get where they're going so maybe it's important not to fuck them up can just cut out body parts okay and so they cut them out put them into little bags put those bags into packages that are likely just you know I don't know so there's this I've seen people bring up the there's they there's no way that the organs will get to where they need to be before they go bad quote unquote wouldn't no matter how they don't get straighted by the games either we're gonna talk about that in a moment so the I don't know about all organ time or how long they last I'm not gonna pretend like I do I'd have to do some google in there but I've seen a lot of people saying that what they present in the show is absurd and that the organs would never be useful with the way that they're doing this I don't know it's black I don't know they do actually say at one point that the eyes were useless so I'm assuming that there's high risk here and it might not work out but yeah apparently they're not paid enough or rather there's so much money on the table with this operation that they're really willing to risk their lives to get the money from it I don't know that's just yeah now that's that half of it that's explaining the actual existence of it the people involved include numbers 28 and 29 of all of the people he took control of our detective he took number 29 which means he is now involved in the black market organ transfers just like really wow you're co-inquiting now someone might be saying well what is that a is that convenient to him isn't that just more so just an event in the storyline it doesn't necessarily help him or unhelp him in any particular it's like it gives him access the VIP room full access I might add yeah and that's uh incredibly important for a storyline but yeah we'll return there in a moment um when we go back it seems that the shifts have changed we've got uh Jihan with Oldman and he's um having a bit of a flashback to the riot that would have happened in his workplace but presumably a co-worker slash friend was killed which is obviously this this is kind of informing everything that was alluded to in episode two and I think missed that first time well it's just it's probably what destroyed the relationship with his wife yeah part of it anyway this is a conversation that's a little bit more interesting on a rewatch because of something we know but we'll just go with this for a while hopefully we come through on that as a planted seed but Oldman is very interested in this he's asking him a lot about it um I think he says that he heard about it because the strike was they fired a whole bunch of people at once um and he's Jihan says he was employed there for more than a decade and so they they did a strike and then they were beaten down obviously we don't know any more context than what we were shown sort of in the flashback but he said the job was really important because he had a kid on the way and he couldn't afford to lose the job um and I think yeah Oldman says that like this was big news a lot of people had heard about it but he doesn't look he looks pretty sad when he's describing the story and I think that you can interpret that one way in another way when you rewatch this show um potentially I don't want to say any more than that I'm assuming people who know what I'm talking about might be able to infer something there but uh yeah he's just talking abou