Okay, thank you very much. Good afternoon, students, Highline College students. It is a little bit after two and we thank you for your patience and understanding as we navigate this kind of new normal of virtual zoom conversations. I want to talk a little bit about how it's going to go this afternoon. I'm going to say a few more words and then turn it over to my esteemed colleague, President Mohammed Java, and he will give his welcome and provide some updates and information from our student leadership, our exceptional student leadership. Then I will provide some information and then really open it up for questions. We have questions that have already been submitted so we want to be able to provide information about that, and also answer questions that may come up. President Mohammed speaks. I do want to just recognize Mark Lentini from Academic Affairs for his help and assistance, great assistance in getting this together and also just providing so much assistance to our faculty in terms of our emergency remote teaching and service delivery. Thank you so much for all of your support and many thanks to Mark in his, his area, and also Heather McBean, who is doing double duty within the Office of Administration and the President's Office in terms of her organization and making this possible as well. Our Zoom conversation today is Dr. Emily Lardner is our interim Vice President of Academic Affairs. He's taken the time to join us and Vice President Aaron, Vice President of Student Services Aaron Reeder, who is Vice President as of six weeks today at the college so we're happy to have him. Aaron was part of Highland College some years ago in various capacities and now he's back as Vice President so they along with other folks are going to be able to hopefully answer questions and be able to provide some assistance. And also one thing just to note is that we're going to do our best we can to answer questions, and there might be some questions that might require some additional time in our part. We ask for your understanding patients and grace but we are committed to be able to provide you that information, if not today, immediately after. So, thank you very much in advance. And with that, I will turn it over to Mohammed. Thank you Dr. Mosby and everyone that is here today. Thank you all for coming out and, you know, joining this amazing town hall. Student Government has been closely working with Dr. Mosby and other college leaders to ensure that everyone is doing well that the Highland College community is staying strong. As many of you all know, student government has been reaching out to folks through social media and other communication mediums. Our updates for student government includes for you all to take the survey about commencement 2020. As you all know it's been really difficult navigating through how commencement should happen. I sit on the commencement committee and, you know, the best effort and the best measure to take is, you know, using those survey results, which are strictly for students. So if you haven't taken those surveys, I'm asking that we all do take it. I took that survey. So that includes my report. It's very brief. And if you have any questions, please use the Q&A box. This is a really great time to ask those questions. And if the Q&A box and then we'll definitely be able to chime in and be able to answer some of them. It's going to be here for the entire time to be able to answer questions and provide information. I want to also just take a moment and really thank you all. Thank all the students. We know that this has not been a easy time. It's been extremely challenging time for our college and for every college across the country. And for many different businesses and areas, I know you all are very familiar with our current challenges and surroundings. The institution has really tried to be intentional in our decision making in terms of making sure that our students continue to be served at the highest level possible, knowing that it is very challenging given our current circumstances. We will continue to make decisions and strategize and get input to be able to serve our students and serve all of you. And we want to hear from you and, you know, in terms of these town hall forms and then also, I know a lot of the communication that I've sent out, you know, have people or encouraging people to email ask at highland.edu. That is a web that is an email address that is monitored daily and it's responded to within one to two days from a collection of staff and faculty at the institution where you can get questions asked. Let us know about any issues or different things that's going on and we try to respond as quick as possible. So we know that it's not easy and we don't necessarily have the immediate answers but we will definitely work to try to get that information out to you as soon as possible. But we thank you for your patience and understanding, but we also more importantly for continuing your educational goals. We know that there is a goal in mind and the finish line is in front of you. It might not be this quarter, it might not be this year, but we know that you are making a huge commitment, despite all the challenges that you are currently facing and we're facing within our world. So we want to get you to that point to that finish line. And we will definitely we're committed to doing so. We ask that you continue to do what you need to do. Continue to focus continue to study continue to do whatever you can to get there but also let us know how we can help that path become a little bit smoother along the way. I believe we received a question about financial aid. I could answer that question. Can everyone see the question or the panelists are the only ones who can see the question. If you type in answer, it'll go back to them if you answer live just hit answer live and speak. Okay. Okay, there we go. Would you like to answer. Yes. Yeah, so I believe the question was how do we get in contact with financial aid. This week I had the opportunity to actually help one of my friends in contact with financial aid. So if you're trying to upload a document or form, if you go to financial aid dot Highline dot edu, you could easily upload a document or form from there. Or you could even reach them through email at financial aid at Highline dot edu. And yeah so it's, and they are working hard to get back to students and reply from my understanding. I believe that Oh, can I add to that? Okay, so also hello everyone, all of our wonderful students out there. So I wanted to also just kind of chime in on that as well so you can also reach the financial aid department by calling the main line for the financial aid office which is<PHONE_NUMBER>. Although we are operating from an emergency remote services. We are still answering phones. We've developed a way for all of our programs and services throughout the campus to be able to answer the main line. So if you do contact the main departmental line, you will reach someone there. And we also have on our website a number of virtual zoom lobbies that will provide a zoom link so if you want to connect with the financial aid specialist you can do it that way as well. Great. Okay. Let's see. One thing we have is what are the most important lessons learned so far about teaching online. And I would ask that Dr. Lardner could provide some information about that. It's a great question and there's a question for you students too about what you're learning about learning online. One of the teachers I talked to over the weekend described the most important lessons they were learning like this they said they've never worked so hard. They've also never felt like they could connect with students the way they're able to connect with students teaching virtually. So it's a funny combination of lots and lots and lots of learning how to use the technology, but also using the technology to have personal relationships with students. At our faculty meeting tomorrow we're going to ask faculty to tell us what are the lessons that they're learning about teaching online. And what do we need to do as a college to support them going forward, because we're going to be teaching remotely for at least another quarter. So we need to learn from what is happening right now and see how we can support our faculty as we go on. Thank you. Thank you, Emily. Izzy had a question. Hello Izzy. Regarding the budget health of Highline. Are there going to be any effects or budget cuts going forward with higher and often being one of the first budget cuts being made across the state. Will this be visible at all for students. Thank you. Izzy is a wonderful student and also editor for our newspaper so provides exceptional questions and I've had a privilege of working with Izzy now for almost two years. You know, I will say that budget budget challenges are what's happening not just throughout our system and state but throughout the country and if you are probably seeing articles from across the country institutions are having to make some budgetary decisions, strong budgetary decisions, especially in our four year institutions. Plus, we are currently looking at our budgetary projections for the remainder of this year and then looking at what we're going to receive next year in terms of funding from the state. That's going to require us to be a little conservative and very intentional in terms of our financial responsibility in our budgets. So far we have we have currently put a hold on hires with the exception of essential critical I would say critical hires that are needed so we have positions that we're putting on hold for for some time. Certainly because we want to make sure that we're being fiscally responsible. We're also not, you know, not allowing travel and some other budgetary things to to save on cost. We really don't know to be quite honest with you what the forecast is going to look like we had just met earlier today our executive cabinet which is consists of our executive directors and our vice presidents. So we're talking about the executive leadership of the college and we are in constant communication with one another and discussions about the budgetary and fiscal outlook for the institution. Once we have more specific information and some actions going forward, we will definitely inform the entire institution and the entire institution I mean students as well. We have a lot of information to share at this point because we're just trying to look at the information and try to forecast, but as soon as we get that information and been able to firm that information out we will definitely notify the campus in various ways. So thank you for that question. The question is, are we coming back to Highline in May or September. So, this is a couple of questions we received in advance actually were similar type questions. Currently because of the governor's order, we are not able to do face to face instruction. What we at the institution are calling emergency remote teaching and services delivery, which means that many of our programs and services and instruction is on a online type format. That will continue for the remainder of the quarter. We definitely want to honor what the governor is saying, and even though his, he's going to provide us some guidance come first week of May of what, what our next step is going to be in fairness to students staff and faculty we've continued to have online or that emergency remote teaching and service delivery for the remainder of the quarter. Because we already had done a major shift earlier, because of the governor's directive, we don't want to do a major shift back automatically with it and then have a few weeks left as a quarter. In terms of September. We again are waiting to get some guidance from the governor, but there will be information going out later this week in terms of what how instruction and service delivery is going to be for the summer and for the fall so I would encourage you to check your, your email in the upcoming days where specific information will be coming out. There's another question saying why is a college weekly newspaper, not online. If I was, I was under the impression that it was online. So I can check with our student newspaper and our college newspaper and see if there's just get clarification on that time more than happy to do that and be able to follow up. We do have some other questions that were provided in advance that I'm happy to go over right now and for students, you have questions that are coming up feel free to continue to put them in the Q&A box and we will as a group get to them and respond as soon as possible. One of the questions we received and I'm going to just pop it up on my, my second computer right next to me is what are the current proposed timelines for on campus instruction. Certain criteria are not met in regard to the spread of COVID-19, especially after summer quarter, when experts have indicated we could see a second bell curve and apex in cases and deaths. What is the college planning to do for interior design and drafting design students would be able to screencast and use the schools lab computers and programs remotely from home, if and when we return to campus. The second part of that question I'm going to have Dr. Lardner be able to speak to the first part of that question is pretty much what I, similar to what I had said before. The college is doing everything and planning for our campus to be clean and safe so that when we're able to come back and when I say come back be physically be able to be on campus. We would be able to operate and function. You know, in terms of the possible second round, there's been a lot of COVID, there's been a lot of discussion about that and then there's also been discussion about that, that not happening so there's a lot of information right now. Around COVID that we're also all of us, I think in the country in the world are trying to sort out the institution will be ready to address how, how we can serve our students and how we can be healthy in that in in terms of our decision making in serving students as we continue to get information and directives from the governor, you know, Governor Inslee does provide that information to us and then we will adjust and adhere to those directives. And again, we have an emergency operations unit that meets weekly to discuss everything from social distancing to quote unquote reopening the campus and so physically people can be back on campus. So we definitely keeping that in mind. But again, in terms of when we're going to be able to be back until the governor tells us to until May 4 at least, we are not going to be able to be physically on campus. The governor could extend that he could stop that he could extend it for the remainder of the quarter into June. He could let us know that we could come back but it's really depending on him so when we're back on campus really is always connected with the directive of the governor. And Dr. Larner, if you could speak to that second question, the second part of the question about interior design, I'll reread it for interior design and drafting design students will be able to screencast and use the schools lab computers and programs remotely from home if and when we return to campus. We, it's a that's a hard question we're having we have been having troubles figuring out how to give students access to the sophisticated software that we have specialized software that we have in some of our computer labs. So I don't know the answer to that question we're working on it we're doing the best we can. And whatever we can figure out for this quarter will know better how to do it next quarter but that's a And I'm happy to circle back to the coordinator for that those particular programs to see what we can do with screencasting earlier, we were still struggling to provide students with access to the software they needed in those programs. Thank you. And for the individual again these were submitted without names which is no problem it's anonymous. If a person is on on the zoom call right now listening in that wrote that question, you are more than welcome to email me directly your contact information, and we can make sure that we provide that update to you, as soon as we find out. So you're more than welcome to email me directly. Commencement, there's a couple questions around commencement. We have folks that are excited to graduate and are trying wanting to know, you know, if we are, how are we going to handle graduation is it going to be via zoom or in person and at this point. As Mohammed had said earlier, it encouraging us and there'll be another student remind reminder going out to students about commencement. It's important for people to fill out that survey. And there's options there and then there's also a question to add question to provide information in terms of how to honor our students how to honor our graduates. This is again a very challenging time and different colleges throughout the country are doing very different things. And before we make a decision for our institution, we want to make sure that our student voices are heard. So we again asked that you if you've already completed that survey. Thank you. If you haven't, please complete it. The more information we get the better. And the survey will be up, I believe all week. And again, if you haven't completed it yet, please do so. I know I've been able to check and we've had students so far do it a good number. Of course I want as many people as possible so students you will be getting multiple email reminders this week. So please do that. Thank you. There's a question that came through. I'll jump to that. Will the current. This is an excellent question. Will the current courses in health care be updated in real time for the health lessons being learned in real time. I'm looking at you, Dr. Lartner. Yes, and it's a wonderful idea. If you're in respiratory care, you already are being updated all the time. Faculty are saying that even if they don't mean to they're making references to covert 19 it affects our health care courses it affects all of our courses across the curriculum it has to do with supply chain. It has to do with sociology. It has to do with the psychology of being in quarantine. It has to do with childcare and early learning so this epidemic or pandemic is touching all parts of our lives. And one of the ideas that Dr. Mosby brainstormed is which the we think is exciting is when everyone is allowed back on campus to do a festival of learning so students who are working on in different programs have a chance to talk about what is it. What what about psychology and covert 19. What about ethnic studies and covert 19. What about business technology and covert 19 what are we learning from all these different perspectives about this pandemic that is affecting everyone and of course, health care is stated in the same way it's changing everybody's understanding of health and health care and public health. It's a great question. Here's another one for you, Dr. Lartner, senior area. We have a question how do we return or extend borrowed library books. Great question. My the last time we talked to Jerry venture the director of the library. When you can come on campus you can drop them off at that drop box but for now, we're not worried about collecting the library books and you're not going to be charged for keeping your library books because you can't. You can't bring them back yet so hang on to them until you can when you can. We do want them back and I hope that all the students here. Answer Jerry's email about do you need a book on reserve from the library that was another way the library was trying to reach our students. Since you all can't come in and borrow books. Jerry wanted to know what books can we send to you so I hope you got some books that way for now just hang on to your books and we'll collect them when we can. Thank you. I just want to make sure given that you have time to to to speak or if you want to provide clarification or you want to add so chime in if you want if not it's all good I just want to make sure so that's the you know we got we got a bond together president president president so well I see that there's so many students participants today and I will want to also encourage you all to apply and run for student government offices on the applications are uploaded and cls.highline.edu I will be posting the link in the chat box you could copy and paste it and start the application to run for either vice president president or even any other leadership opportunities at the center for leadership and service. Let me post a link. It's right over here. Are you typing in Mohammed. Oh perfect okay. Yeah, you'll find the elections packet and I'm determined that everyone and every student is qualified to run and help replace us. Thank you. Thank you very much. You know I want to make sure and I hope I did skip over any questions. Was there a software question I'm going to ask mark was there a software question that was asked early at the beginning and I and I accidentally skipped over it or anything or did we answer it. No I think that was the one about the interior design that was the one I saw. Okay, thank you very much thank you just wanted to check. Let's see. This is a question and I'm hoping that our vice presidents can speak to it. We had a student who had to drop a college course last month because of health reasons. And asked would it be possible to retake the course. Next year. I don't know if it's next quarter but next year at no additional cost, because the, because it was a health reason why the course was dropped before. So I would, I mean I would start off by saying within the student services departments, especially with enrollment registration. We do have our appeal process that's in place for students when hardships come up. I certainly would say that this is one of those hardships that you could be able to fill out an appeal for. We are working on trying to figure out the best ways to support our students as we know many of our students are going through a lot during this time. And so, you know, I would say the initial pieces to start there with completing an appeal to just be able to formally submit a document to our enrollment and registration office that just lets them know you have this particular hardship. And, you know, we're trying to work through what's going to be beneficial and how we can start students moving forward. We're always reregister for the course. I think we're just going to be trying to figure out, you know, how can we support those students that, you know, we know funding is a is a concern so I don't have the full answer on that one but I will say at least begin the process of submitting an appeal for the class that you weren't able to complete. And we can go from there. And I don't know. See if I can provide the information on where you can submit that. I'm just trying to pull this up really quickly. So you can connect with our registration office and the contact information. You can go to registration at highline.edu. You can also dial<PHONE_NUMBER>. And you'll be able to connect with someone there that can help with what's getting that started. Great. Aaron, if you don't mind, can you put that in the chat? Sure. I'll take information to be great. And actually, since we're talking about that question brought up, you know, funding. I know we are still putting in place our procedures for cares act but do you mind Aaron just giving a brief overview of the cares act. Since you wrote a very good detailed email last week, you could just share a little information with our students obviously more information is coming but introduction would be wonderful. Thank you. Sure thing. I will, I will attempt my best to do a brief overview without going too far down the down the rabbit hole but the college will be receiving some care. So we have all the cares act funds, which is a coronavirus relief aid that will be coming to the college. And with those funds, there is a portion that is set aside to provide support and emergency resources to our students. Given that information, we have been able to pull together a number of folks from across the campus who do extensive work right now with emergency resources and that group is really working on really trying to build the process that we know is going to be effective and beneficial for our particular student population for you all. And so we're looking at the application process we're looking at what the eligibility criteria. You know, I will say that the funds does come with, you know, some guidelines and parameters that we have to kind of consider while, while building this but we are definitely in the works of working very swiftly with intentionality so that way we can provide the right amount of support for our students and so we know that the this pandemic has been impacting our student body heavily. And so these funds are going to be beneficial we are just really trying to work on the best way to provide the resources to students so more messaging will be coming out. I will say that we're, we're pretty close to almost having our plan fully developed but it's in the making and as soon as we have that plan in place, we will have a full on messaging campaign to go out to our students and be calling and reaching out and emailing so please be on the lookout for that in the weeks to come. And I know there was a question that came through about about the funding and this was from one of our international students and the type of help coming from the funding and right now again as as Vice President reader was talking about. We are looking at all the the rules and policies and ways that we can distribute funding but we're also trying to put together a process for our college in terms of how to assist students. So once we have that finalized we can be able to communicate that to the entire institution and of course our students because we want to make sure that students have the opportunity to not just understand about it but apply for apply for assistance. So thank you very much Aaron. Let's see. Okay. Dear Dr. Mosby, it seems like online studying is going well so far so this pandemic will be a problem for normal academics. Do you all think about a way of visual learning from now on like any plans to, sorry, like any plans to stay ahead of the game, because a lot of older people cannot are not able to struggle to learn this fast technology and how they will succeed. This student indicated that they are worried about the people who don't have access they need or don't know how to use it. And another question, a recommendation that this student provided was when we get back to normal I will encourage our school to keep and make a plan for practicing social distancing guidelines. Throughout our website and on campus so people continue to be aware when we get back that we should not be having close contact with one another. And a recommendation to have new hand washing stations and more places of hand itizers. I hope everyone is staying healthy and happy. So for that individual. Thank you so much for that information. You know, I'm going to break it up into three different, three different areas and say that one of the things that we really struggle with our executive cabinet and our staff and faculty is not because everybody, not everybody has technology. Not everybody has the level of technology so we have been asked every institution across the country to shift from primarily face to face to this different type of instruction and service delivery, almost overnight. And that has been a huge bear for our students to shift in that thinking but it's also been extremely challenging time for our faculty and for our staff. Because this because we're not and we're not an online college if we were, if we all wanted to be at online college we would be at online college where we're not in high line price itself on being able to provide that face to face comfort and care for our students into into one another. So many thanks to to Tim White right in our it s area. For example, for sending out surveys and those students might have received a survey. A few thousand of you responded thank you thank you our staff and faculty was was provided a survey to be able to to get a better understanding of what is needed from technology. So we're not even talking about funding right now but we're just talking about technology because this, this divide that is existing within education is very multi layered. So just from a technology standpoint, we have been able to see what students staff and faculty have needed because we have staff and faculty who are struggling to and don't don't have the resources. So again many thanks to it's a number of people but I will say special thanks to it s and Tim rise area for leading the effort and kind of being the glue from all the different resources on campus to be able to provide equipment to our students so they can come and pick it up in a come up pick it up and leave capacity and for being able to provide equipment to our staff and faculty. So that's one way we've been able to address it and continue to address it in terms of the funding piece. As Vice President reader talked about the cares act will help and assist in addition to emergency funding that we have through foundation and again identifying other areas but knowing that we have a lot more need than the type of funding that we do have so we're constantly trying to make sure and identify resources that can best assist our students and then for our students who do require a little bit more time to to navigate this this remote kind of learning. We have our faculty are ready to assist our staff are ready to assist. Our division chairs that work with the various faculty in our academic units are reaching out to get information from our students to check in and see what's going on. This is another example of us trying to provide him get information from our students. We will be students will be contacted through our Highline cares campaign. Another way to provide information to see how students are doing because we also understand that students aren't necessarily always going to say publicly what they want and I totally get that and I understand that. So we want to make sure we have intimate settings one on one we can get be able to get information and have conversations in terms of how to best assist our students so definitely working on that. In terms of when we get back to normal whatever that looks like we definitely want to practice social distancing guidelines. I think that our, our, our future, it's going to be different. And I think we were going to be mindful and I think things are going to be set up a little differently in terms of how we maneuver how we walk around it's going to be not just on campus but how we go to the store how we go to the park. How, how we exercise. It's really challenging us to think about things differently and to make sure that we're healthy and making sure we're sharing this health health of others. We need to continue practicing some type of social distancing when we're back on campus and our institution has is mindful of that and we'll be working to provide that information for the campus community. And lastly, I will work with our facilities folks on looking at an ordering more hand washing stations and sanitizers I know that that is something that has been. I put that on order that something when this first happened that we have been talking with our facilities crew about currently there's some backlog so we have some challenging challenges with that because everybody's doing that, but long after this ends. We definitely want to increase the safety of our campus so we're going to definitely look at expanding those and getting more of those areas, more of those items on our campus and anything else that comes up can always let my office know you can always send it to ask at Highline.edu. Those are great information so for the individual who sent who sent me this. Thank you very much. Let's see. What is happening to international students now at Highline College. Well our international students, many of our international students have made the decision to want to be with their families. And they, some have had made that option and decided to to leave which makes sense we want to support all the decisions our students make. It's very different from the majority of our students that live at home and come to campus but we do have a collection of students that are not from here and are far away. We have some students who live on campus in the, in our campus housing, and some of them have decided to leave and then we have some that are staying. But we have housing staff that is assisting with the students, providing support as they did before COVID-19 and will will continue to do so. For students who don't have access to laptops or internet what is Highline College planning to do about it. Again, as I said a little earlier. We have the, the surveys that our staff and faculty and our students filled out to assess ones needs. If you have not completed that survey. Please let our office know I don't know if that survey still think the survey still out, we could still send reminder we can do something about that. But Mark also posted a link in the chat that they can go find it. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Tim. So, that is the way that's one of the ways our main way been able to get information, get find out where our students needs are. So I'd encourage every student to complete that survey, even if you have the access, but to fill it out because we just need to know from our campus. What our students need. And then will people visiting the campus have their temperature checked. That's a good question. And right now, we are in discussion to determine what will happen when the campus reopens. You know, for, if anybody sets foot in the campus to have their temperature check that requires a lot of planning. Remember our campus is an open campus. So, you know, in more secure areas walking through getting your temperature check that certain places can be, you know, that can, that's easier to be able to handle. We have to ask ourselves. If that's something that we feel like the institution needs to do but we also want to make sure that we get guidance from the CDC guidance from our respiratory care folks as well. That's going to help guide us, because we also want to make sure that our processes and different things that are in place is to be perceived as helping students and helping staff and faculty. We want to make sure the message is appropriate. So that is part of our planning for a win student for when the campus reopens and if there are extra precautions that we will, we will definitely enforce, we will let folks know prior to when the campus reopens. I would like to add on to the, I think it was a previous questions on students getting the resources they need. The government is currently working on creating a scholarship emergency aid opportunity for students that do need those resources. So we soon hope to release, or at least propose to our student council the relocation of unused funds for students in order to respond to the resources that students need in order to finish this quarter successfully and strong. So what we're trying to do is create a scholarship solely based on Highland College so that would go, it would be money going into your account and then you can use those resources for in order to check out a laptop or anything at Highland College. And I will be sharing, we will be sharing everyone everybody with that information online, as well as all the social media accounts, but yeah, keep an eye on and keep to look out on for those scholarship funds. And it'll be small leadership scholarships that you will be needing to apply for, but we hope to expand and as well as give it to every student that needs it. Thank you, Mohammed. Let's see. That is pretty much all the questions that we received in advance a couple of them were the same were about commencement. And for the participants that we have on right now. Any last questions. The questions by the way have been great. They've been excellent. The ones in advance and the one today, the ones today. There's a gentleman person named Dan and Dan you have asked some very, very, very good questions. Everybody has but you've asked some very good ones you get the gold star for today, let me tell you. But I will say that these questions that you're asking really represent a high level of care and understanding I know that you all care about this college. And that shows definitely in the questions you're asking shows that you're well aware of the many challenges that are affecting all of us. And we really appreciate that because we take these questions back, and your concerns, and we think about what we can do because some things we might have to change. You know, we might have to change immediately. Right and sometimes we think certain things are working, and you all let us know it's not working the way it should, and we will adjust accordingly. I know that we're going to be doing another President's Town Hall check in next month, which is coming up very, very soon, and we'll be doing one in June, as well, right before, right before exams. Also know that you can email ask at highline.edu. With any kind of questions are concerned, you can always contact me directly and email me. You can also if you want to set up a zoom call or you want me to give you a call on the phone or something, you can always contact my office and I'm more than accessible and can have and can make time work so Bottom line is we want to hear from you, whatever way possible, whatever way you feel comfortable, and we are committed to your success. And we are committed to success when this COVID-19 passes us. And I look forward to a time where we can all celebrate on campus to be on campus. One of the things I've told many people so they trust the people on this call they probably tired of me hearing one of my biggest choices president is to be able to walk around our beautiful campus and to just see our wonderful students. The best students in the state and the best students in the country and to be able to walk around and see them. It's always a daily joy that I had so it saddens me that we're not able to do that, but it gives me hope that we will be able to do that in the near future. So, thanking you very much we are pretty much at almost at three o'clock. Thank you so much for your patients. Again, this is, this is learning a lot of new things. It's great. 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they don't go in clusters they're not serious deviation from anything that he's really done before there's a couple of indicators here but they're not that bad but if if 60% of what he's saying is true here we're all we already know that we're just living in terrifying weird times right now when it comes to politics in general which is just the game of politics is about a thousand times more disgusting than everything that's happening in this video I'll just say that that's all I got Mark what do you got yeah so I won't it wasn't because I was looking for anything out of it it wasn't because I was looking for anything out of it and we get discussed on that and closed eye talking I would say that what he's doing there is a virtue signal and I can understand why but I'm just going to cluster those two ideas together and go I think that's virtue signalling and I think the whole kind of flavour of this is him letting us know that if you're going to make up a story go big with it if you're going to start out with a probability which is drug use why not just go that little bit further and that little bit further and that little bit further why not just push it so you've got a really good story and that is you know that's entertainment he says the biggest fraud that ever existed well I don't think he's the biggest fraud that ever existed by any stretch of the imagination we've seen than this in our time but there may be an element there of a desire and something of the grandiose about him wanting to be that biggest fraud ever most of what I'm saying there is really a conjecture but I'm out of spirit to look at his body language anymore Greg what do you got? Mark I'm with you the body language piece of this has been awkward for me because the guy is first of all wonky as hell he's got the thing that you automatically want to jump on and say it's a tale that he's being deceptive what I am looking at more is how he is insulating himself with other things okay number one he had this mother who was he almost insinuated she was saying her son had sex with Barack Obama and then backed away from it now he's saying that I created this video and they took it down and it's gone and you can't find it and they hacked my email and and and there's layers well my first question there there's a ton of questions you could ask okay did you have a copy of it I'd love to see it number one because apparently you have copies of videos from earlier out on your on your YouTube channel chase you've been talking about it where that one go well why do you think they hacked your channel was it you think that was political or is that something in your personal life so there's a lot of reasons to ask questions when a person does this because if they're using transference which is possible I said in the beginning transference makes a lie much harder to to be able to take apart because I'm taking details from another part of my life or from your life and plugging them in I would say when I went through SEAR I used pictures of my brother's children so that I could talk about children didn't have any of my own it's easy because I knew them anyway schools they went to I knew all of that stuff you can tie up an interrogator all day long if you can take details from another story or something else so who who hacked your email account was it really Barack Obama was somebody that you have done something to tried to fraud or do something else don't know and Chase while I'm with you I think he could have cleaned up a bit it might not fit the persona that he needs to come across as this guy so not really sure Scott what do you got yeah I don't think he he's coming on like he doesn't realize he's been hacked he didn't say I was hacked he said they gave out my information they gave are they deleted my video they gave out my emails they're all over the internet he doesn't maybe he does realize he's been hacked but he's not saying that he's saying they're all against me all this whole now he's turned into a political thing where they're coming for me you know he's not afraid anybody's coming for him that way he knows better than that I don't think he's the smartest guy in the world but I think it's obvious when you get hacked and he was hacked somebody just I'm sure it was simple to his I'm sure his passwords by password one two three four something like that you know not smart now you've given away my password so I was just thinking I could change all my like in space balls what was it in space balls that's the kind of combination an idiot would have on his luggage I'd forgotten that movie it was funny that's a great flick man looks okay so you guys covered everything we're seeing lots of disgust in there especially there at the top and he's showing lots of confidence with this as he goes through because he's trying to sell the fact that YouTube gave his video and gave his information away YouTube ain't going to do that I don't care what you've done or who you are and all you're just going to give your stuff up to somebody doesn't work that way they're not going to do that Microsoft doesn't give a hoot about this guy nobody cares about that nobody they're not going to give his email stuff out and start passing around the net no it's just he got hacked you know because he's probably not very smart anyway I'm just bad-mouthing this guy I feel bad about it well I agree with chase lots worse stuff goes on the government I'm just not sure this guy's the guy they were after no he's not a target nobody and the reason that he's he hasn't taken a dirt nap is because they think he's an idiot too you know look at this guy let's know what he's saying it's crazy what he's talking about is they're like no one's going to believe that and I think they're right you know I think Tucker's trying to come on like he's like really tell me about the tell me more about he's not buying that either I don't think anybody is that's just what I think just my opinion God Greg get in there man what's up unless you're going to dive into your camera one of those tape replays what's what was the point at which you decided I'm just going to bring this to the country I'm going to go public well in January of 2008 after having contacted the campaign yet again I had decided you know what screw it I'm just going to make a YouTube video and put it up which I did it wasn't because I was looking for anything out of it in fact if I had even stopped long enough to anticipate the blowback and the consequences of speaking out me being me it probably would not have stopped me it might have slowed me a little bit but it would not have stopped me but I figured if you're going to call him out you can't call him out on part of it and people said well why didn't you just talk about the drug use and leave the sex out and I said because if I said he just used drugs and then you found out later it was drugs and sex you would accuse me of lying because I didn't mention the sex so my an opinion was if you're going to tell the story then you tell the whole story and let the chips fall where they may so that's exactly what I did and so you made a YouTube video by the way I looked for it last night I couldn't find it that's because YouTube gave access to my account to someone shortly after the polygraph test and I was never given access back to it the video was actually deleted are you serious oh yeah, YouTube gave access to the account and the video was deleted Microsoft gave access to my hotmail account and all of my emails were circulating the internet and vacation replies were set up on my email telling people that I was busy giving g*****s and would get back with them when I was done oh yeah man they wanted Obama to be president yep and they wanted me to be the biggest fraud and nutcase that ever existed I gotta ask you I wasn't there I could only assess what you're saying I don't see any obvious motive for you for gain, financial gain and in fact you haven't you've gotten impoverished as a result of it but if I'm a reporter, well I was a reporter at the time I remember thinking well that's an interesting story but it seemed like nobody in the media wanted to follow up with you and some people like Ben Smith at Politico who's a liar and a shill posing as a journalist I re-read the piece last night that he wrote saying oh it's ridiculous, write off the first graph it's ridiculous, these claims I think I have an answer for why a lot of reporters did not want to follow up and I think it would have something to do with what David Axelrod told a old Chicago Sun Times reporter or no, a Chicago Tribune reporter, John Crudson Axelrod had been a reporter in Chicago before he went into politics well John Crudson worked for the Chicago Tribune and John Crudson actually came to Duluth Minnesota and sat down with me and talked with me and John Crudson had told me point blank that before he had flown out that he had spoken to Axelrod and that Axelrod had told him that they were aware of who I was and that it was their intentions to destroy me and that if any reporter had mentioned me to them they would be completely cut off and that outlet would be completely cut off from access to the Obama campaign for the duration of the year so I think that had a lot to do with why reporters didn't bring things up to the campaign because everybody wanted access to, you know, the new savior nobody wanted to be blackballed and denied access to a historic campaign Greg, what do you have? Yeah, this is one of those cases everything he said might be true and can still not be telling the truth meaning they could say that guy we're not going to give you access to the campaign because he's a liar and we don't want any part of that there's all kinds of reasons this could happen but again, there's no smoking gun there's no single piece of body language says a guy's telling a lie when he's talking about people he's talked to ideally this should be the most truthful piece of anything that he does because he's talking about reporters he's talked to he's talking about places that he's tried to leak the information and he's getting blocked I'll just leave it at, there's not a whole lot here and we'll back chase to something you talked about earlier if you desire drama, you'll find drama and if people are desiring drama and he's pushing, he may continue to push in the wrong places and create his own drama again, no smoking gun Scott, what do you got? All right, Tucker's not an idiot he knows why this guy did this he had to go through some trying to figure out why would this guy do this money he's a con, that's what he does that's what he's always done, he sees this going in, he's just running a game trying to get some money from these people that's what I think that's how it looks to me because for all these guys there's money in there somewhere that's how he makes a living that's what he does, do we know what he does for a living? Anybody know? I sure don't know I haven't talked about that so I'm sure he's still out running I don't know if he is or not but I would think someone like that would still be out running cons trying to make money because that's all he's done or what he's done the most of this is the highest he's spoken so far, he sounds almost like a woman his voice is so high at this point, out of all the totally, up to this point, this is the highest he's talked, I think that's a little stress for him there because now he's getting into something where he's got to really sell this thing because he's getting toward the end and it's getting down to why this happened, what happened these people do this to you and then once he hits that part about Axelrod, I'm out I'm out because that's when he starts getting quiet and he starts, we start here fading facts and they're getting the fading facts when someone's talking and as they're talking about they're giving their answer, they get more they get quieter as they go along there toward the end, that happens time and time again in that I think he's, the reason he gets so that chin comes out and that head goes back and he gets so cocky right there is because he's confident in that last answer he's given you what he said, they came and told me they're going to shut me down and you can't do this and everybody's afraid of it no, I don't think that happened at all, I don't believe this guy at all Mark, what do you got? Yeah, look, why don't more people talk to him? I don't know why more people don't have him on their new shows, maybe more will now, the question is why is somebody in a woodshed dressed in a Brooks Brothers suit and a Rolex Datejust why are they talking to him at this point? Tuck us there on a floodplain with lamps that are going to burn the place down he's there in his suit he's there in an odd look, if you're in a woodshed you want to be wearing something like this, you want a decent tool watch not a Datejust, easy to identify by the way, because of the jubilee bracelet and you can see that little glint between the white gold and the steel 1945 that design came about for the 40th anniversary, hence the jubilee bracelet there, so look all of it is beyond the ordinary, so how do we really comprehend beyond the ordinary it is an extraordinary story going on I'll tell you in a little bit what I think it might be all about Chase, what do you got on this one? I will tell you too and you can leave in the comments whether or not you think Mark just made all that crap up just a few seconds ago about the Rolex I know a con when I see one maybe he did, but he's got the right clothing that's how he's dressed right for that interview anyway I think any 13 year old and above in the United States anyway would agree that our politics are now a blend of mob and theater on both sides and I don't see any of this just in my opinion being untrustworthy like it sounds like something that could legitimately happen, I don't see any cluster of deception at all that's all I got I think I'm getting a hunch back I haven't given myself enough head room up there every time I do that I end up leaning forward I don't know what I'm telling you oh wait now we got to take that out one of those tape replays so I got to ask you I wasn't there I could only assess what you're saying but I don't see any obvious motive for you for gain, financial gain you're not going to get rich doing this and in fact you haven't you've gotten impoverished as a result of it but like if I'm a reporter, well I was a reporter at the time I remember thinking well that's an interesting story but it seemed like nobody in the media wanted to follow up with you and some people like Ben Smith think that he wrote saying oh it's ridiculous write off the first graph it's ridiculous these claims I think I have an answer for why a lot of reporters did not want to follow up and I think it would have something to do with what David Axelrod told a old Chicago Sun Times reporter Chicago Tribune reporter John Crudson Axelrod had been a reporter in Chicago before he went into politics John Crudson worked for the Chicago Tribune and John Crudson actually came to Duluth Minnesota and sat down with me and talked with me and John Crudson had told me point blank that before he had flown out that he had spoken to Axelrod and that Axelrod had told him that they were aware of who I was and that it was their intentions to destroy me and that if any reporter had mentioned me to them they would have been completely cut off and that outlet would be completely cut off from access to the Obama campaign for the duration of the year so I think that had a lot to do with why reporters didn't bring things up to the campaign because everybody wanted access to, you know, the new savior nobody wanted to be black bald and denied access to a historic campaign just one more thing All right Mark, how's it looking to you so far at this point? Yeah, look, politics and entertainment bread and puppets, you know the opium of the people, shall we say look, we've got to have a great story this is a great, great story just like anybody else it would be brilliant if it were true it would be awful if it were true I mean that's why it's so compelling it would be, as I've said before allotropic, you wouldn't want to look at it at the same time Marker and his particular agency that he has there knows just how incredible this story might be and I mean incredible in that grand way and also maybe it's not credible as well at the same time for me there's too much against it and the idea of some of it is probable and some of it is a little more improbable in the way that he's telling it I don't think the story as a whole is a thoroughly improbable story I just think the way it's told for me doesn't make this very probable that it happened with this particular individual I'm not saying it's not probable that this kind of thing wouldn't ever happen I'm just saying hasn't happened with this guy here that makes sense Chase, where do you go? so we've had a YouTube channel for going on three years I think and we've had 250 or 200 videos three and a half years and in every video that we've called somebody potentially deceptive we've been able to spot clusters not here it did not happen here and as a professional as a person who calls himself an expert I cannot call this deception because I don't think anybody can show me the reasons to do so I think striking found almost no large clusters indicating deception very minor stress markers I think the big picture here it's just in our little world of misinformation and deception this episode especially shows us that the need to decode and understand human behavior has never been more critical and we're in this place where these skills and human behavior aren't just like cool to have they're becoming almost required to survive because of stuff like this so much disinformation out there Greg? yeah and Chase I agree with you they're not screaming red flags at every turn what I will say however is this they're also not being scrutinized this is I said it in the beginning if a con is looking for a mark and that mark is projecting exactly what they need what do you think is going to happen? it makes it a lot easier if I believe what you say and I'm trying to pull the story out and there are probably a couple of markers in here that make me know that the guy knew what the questions were up front that doesn't make me feel any more comfortable and I agree with you I am the first guy to say politics is the ugliest, dirtiest business on earth and Americans have perfected it so I think that when we watch through it that we're seeing truth that we're seeing any of that while I am a big fan of going box box box box in this case I think we're seeing a lot of trans fronts this guy's probably got a whole lot of stuff behind him and some of this I'm going to tell you is having seen enough people lie through trans fronts to know they can hold up a glass pain makes me feel really uncomfortable I think this is probably one of the few that we probably Chase you brought it up we should say what do we think the percentages are of truth or not and I think that's a great call Scott what do you got? I agree with Chase there aren't a lot of clusters of body language cues that give us the impression he's being deceptive but from a con hunter's perspective which is my perspective in this one I'm seeing or I'm hearing a lot of cues like I've gone over time to time again in here so I don't believe this guy I think he's I think he's a con and I think a con is a con is a con he's a thief and a thief is a thief is a thief and you can say oh people change these guys don't change they do not I've seen a thousand times they don't change this guy hasn't changed you wait and see he'll have another book come out and it'll be an exorbitant prize for it and I would say be soon because he's got to ride this wave of what he's of this interview he just came up with or something he had in the can is ready to go something will come up because he's into this for the money and he's into I don't think this is the last we'll hear from him either I think we'll see him somewhere else or doing something else if we check up on him later I think he'll be in the pokey again because he'll be busted doing something else it's just my opinion he's probably the most innocent guy in the world I don't know but that's just what I think and I think from my perspective I'm going to put in 100% that this is not true what I'm saying happened did not happen you're 100% 100% I'm 100% I'm very confident I'm as confident as I get I think he's being deceptive Mark what do you think? I would reframe the question a little bit that's what we do in politics I would say is it possible that this I don't weasel is it possible that this has happened it's possible it has it's possible it has does this person, does the way this person tells me this story make it probable that it has, no, doesn't make it probable does the way this person tells me this story make it very unprobable that it happened yet it makes it 100% unprobable that this ever happened now, has Barack Obama had gay sex and drugs with somebody in the back of it possibly I don't know, possibly did it happen with this person very very improbable based on his storytelling of this, there's my answer Chase, where you going? I'm just going to give you my percentage of likely deception here the percentage as a whole overall I would put a 23 I'd say 80 and the reason I say 80 is there's a high I agree with Mark, people who are telling you facts stick to the facts they don't start telling ghost stories to add layers to it and he added ghost stories that's when I started thinking he was a fraud in my opinion all right all right fellas, thanks for another good one and we'll see you next time now that we all hate each other no, this is a good one just you Chase we got one I'm glad we got one where we actually could say no, we disagree what was that you just did dude are we doing this or what what are you doing dude bring it we got to finish it up we got to say all right, I got to go take a whiz fellas good afternoon my name is Larry Sinclair I'm a former recreational drug user drug trafficker and I'm a convicted felon for crimes of forgery bad checks and theft by check so what do you got