So, at 6.03 we have a quorum so we can call the meeting to order. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda? I just want to add one thing I'd like to note that we have Jason Neely here as a guest. He is one of the NRTC engineers that has been working with us at least twice a week in person, face-to-face, if you will, electronically, if not more. And he's here tonight and we will be calling on him to talk about our construction scheduling later on in the process. And one other thing I'd like to do, one thing I want to bring out and I really want to just say thank you for the cooperative effort that I've been seeing as we've been working through all of the multiple things that we've been working through here. The spirit of cooperation is just phenomenal and I just wanted to put that out there before we even get started and just give the thank you to all involved because we wouldn't be able to move forward otherwise and I very much appreciate it and notice it. So thank you for that. Is there any public comment? Hearing none, let's move on to the meeting minutes. Jeremy, please. Yeah, just a sec. So motion to approve the July 12, 2022 board meeting minutes as drafted. Second. Motion seconded by Siobhan. Is there any opposition? Any abstention? It's unanimous then. Motion's moved. Thank you. Is our treasurer here? We'd like to have the treasurer's report next. How about if I do the treasurer's report? Why don't you do the treasurer's report, Ray, as chair of the finance committee? Thank you. So on the third report we have on the screen here, hopefully you're seeing expenses and through July there were $432,000 worth of expenses that were paid. So far in August we've paid another $12,500 some odd dollars. Our bank account at the end of July was $3.9 million. The balance through this today is under that $3.9 million. We have some outstanding invoices totaling around $170,000, which will be taken up by the executive committee Thursday night. Questions? Comments? Excellent. Thank you, Ray. Let's move on to the executive director's report. Janiel, if you could just give an update on just pick five of the 50 things, the top five, okay? Oh, three pallets being delivered to our new warehouse on Friday. We have someone accepting those pallets of materials and goodies into our new warehouse. We have an RFP out for marketing. We're interviewing all those firms between Thursday and Tuesday of this week. It's marketing and public engagement. So we're well on our way to doing that. We have construction RFP that's out and we're getting ready to award construction to start as early as October. We have a lot of make ready going on right now. We've been trimming trees and the WEC territory. WEC has been doing that for us and doing pole make ready. Gosh, there's a lot of stuff. We've got the 400 miles of materials ordered and we also have more fiber coming at the end of this month that will be delivered to the WEC territory. So we also, I visited the new spaces today and we have gravel being put down on a new Rawland lot yard in Montpelier picked up the keys. So yeah, we're boots on the ground really getting into operational mode. Any questions for Janiel? Questions are moving forward and moving forward very quickly. This is Henry Janiel. You're doing an amazing job and I'm sure that's only the top of the iceberg and so I'm so glad you're here. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. I also wanted to congratulate David Healy. We are doing incredible with town reachouts in general. We've had a lot of towns commit funds. David Healy was successful in getting $200,000 from Calis last night, which will be matched by VCBB for another $200,000, which means that we now have to borrow or pass on in subscription rates $400,000 less. That is huge. So congratulations and thank you, David, and thank you to everybody who's been doing this amazing reach out to the towns. We're just so lucky to have this commitment from these towns. Thank you. Can I ask what Calis' total payout was? What their total was? David, you're muted. They had $479,000. This is typical of some of the towns that haven't done anything yet. They're sitting on the money and I told them about the September 15 deadline. They went out of their process to make this decision, so I was pretty happy to say the least. Excellent. R.D., I see your hand is up, but you also appear to be on the phone. I'm sorry. Can you hold for a moment? Yes. No. Now you're on mute.  There you go. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, never mind my freezing. Never mind frozen. Do we have MOUs for the towns that have committed funds? Yes. Yes. The answer is every one of the towns who have even shown an interest in committing funds have received MOUs. All right. Are there other questions? David, you have a question, but you're on mute, sir. Blackboard meeting last night. The town has already had the agreement reviewed by a lawyer, and they said they made some changes. They have not seen what they've added to it, but they also promised to send the commitment letter by tomorrow. Fantastic. Excellent. Thank you. Are there other ... Ray, go ahead, please. Monday on the Northfield Select Board has asked me to join the meeting tonight. This is the second meeting, and they're feeling the September 15th deadline. I don't know what we're going to get, if anything, but there's one or more members of the Select Board that are very interested in this. It's not universal. Understood. Other comments, questions for Janiel and the Executive Director's report? Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Janiel. The next item is a budget adjustment, and that is a Jerry Fatfinger mistake. I actually, when I was reading what had passed before, and I saw the budget line item that we approved, I think, two months ago now, for materials and materials management, and in between those two, it said warehouse, and I gleaned over it, didn't see it, was corrected by others. Thank you. I should always be corrected by others. There really is no budget adjustment that needs to be done, because we've already allocated sufficient funds for this budget year to carry our warehousing, which we got a pretty good deal, by the way. So with that, I'd like to move over to Alan, who unfortunately has to do this by phone. Alan, I hope this will be all right for you, but there are some policy recommendations that we'd like to discuss. Right. I think the connection will be okay. I'm working on a battery phone, so we'll see if this works long enough for me to explain the stuff. You sound good. We've got two different documents to consider tonight. One is adoption of a net neutrality policy. The other is adoption of a board delegate attendance rule. Let's start with a net neutrality policy one first. I sent around a short note when I sent out the documents explaining that this is the first of several policies that the policy committee feels should be in place as we approach construction of the network. The policy that we drafted on net neutrality is based on the Vermont net neutrality law, which was passed in 2017, and it was passed in response to the dropping by the FCC of the net neutrality rules that had been put in place during the Obama years, but then when a new commissioner of the FCC came in, the FCC turned in its attitude about net neutrality and the rules got, they weren't exactly eliminated. There were some rule changes made that just made them inoperable. So what the state of Vermont did was to adopt the standards, there were basically three of them that were in the FCC rules and put them in a statute, and I sent that a copy of that around this afternoon because a couple of people had wanted to see the specific language of it. And basically what the state did was they said, okay, here are the standards that we feel Vermont should be following if it wants to be considered net neutral, net neutrality, and it added two more standards as well. So when you look at the policy, the first three things that come up, to that end, CV fiber pledges that it will not and block lawful content, impair to grade lawful internet traffic, and number three, engage in paid prioritization. These were the core FCC regs, the state of Vermont just picked them up and made that the starting point for their particular statute. And then the four and five were things that the state itself came up with and added to the first three standards. So there are basically five different standards that a provider has to meet in order to be able to apply and receive what's called net neutrality certification. The state will certify that the provider is abiding by the state's net neutrality statute, and I think it's the best way for us to come up with a policy that gives us something immediately in return and that we are considered certified when we make application that we are net neutral. So I'll stop talking and see if anybody else in the policy committee wanted to say anything or if we wanted to have a discussion about this generally. Anybody else in the policy committee want to talk to you? Jeremy, Matt has his hand up. I guess I need to call on people for you, Alan, since you can't see. Yeah, sorry about that. Jeremy, please go ahead. R.D. did have his hand up before me. I don't know. R.D.'s hand has been up since before. It is up, Jerry. It is up for this topic. Oh, OK. It didn't go down from the last one, so I'm sorry. I have two devices to manage, if I may. Can you give Alan, can you give an example of reasonable network management? Which part of the policy you're looking at, R.D.? OK. I'm looking at the definition, definition five, reasonable network management. In number one, I cannot give a definition of that and I'm looking at the statute to see if there's any other detail and all it says is blocking lawful content, application services or non-harmful devices subject to reasonable network management. So I think what reasonable network management, what this implies, is that something that has to be done and it blocks lawful content but not out of the desire to do so on a permanent basis but because there is something wrong with the network, it has to be fixed and therefore some content might be unavailable while a repair is made. That's what I'm assuming it is. OK. I think another thing that might fall into that would be something like during very high use times, if we're short on bandwidth, something like YouTube might get throttled to the point where you can't watch a high death video or something along those lines. But that would be something like there are too many people on the network all at once trying to get too much data and that would need to be kind of spread out. So you know, but I think that's what that, the intent of that statement is at any rate. OK. Is there any case law that would help us understand or provide illustrations of reasonable network management? No? OK. OK. That's actually a good question generally because one of the things I did was I started looking at some studies and some reports that have been done about what exactly has been the reality of how net neutrality has worked or hasn't worked and what have the problems been. And the reports that I read basically said there is not enough data or information that's come in generally to come to any conclusions about what kind of a situation we're really in with net neutrality or the lack of net neutrality. And I think that's only been extended since the Biden administration has talked about reinstating the net neutrality rules, but that hasn't happened so far. So as far as I can tell, there hasn't really been much change in what's been happening since the rules were suspended essentially during the Trump administration. And it's very hard to know exactly what the impact has been, if any. Jeremy, you want to take your turn here? Yeah, I just said that it allows us to apply for the net neutrality certification. I think it's a no brainer to do for it. I mean, it's kind of part of statute and I think it should be something to kind of rubber stamp. And then Ray, I just wanted to add on top, another example, R.D. might be somebody who sets up a server farm to serve, say, a game or some other thing that ends up being very popular and receiving a great deal of internet traffic and that having an impact on the broader network itself and us needing to make a decision about that particular instance and saying, OK, well, you have to pay the higher tier business thing or something like that because it's having a significant impact and that's not the tier of service you're paying for that kind of thing. You got it.  Yeah, so just briefly, and that is that you can expect that the law is going to be defined reasonable as the best practice and that best practice will evolve over time and that you have to keep up with that best practice so that it's not going to go to the lowest common denominator as to what is reasonable. It'll go to what is technically in practice at the time and that will that will improve over time. You know, we're going to have 100 gig backbone, right? And so our standards are probably a little bit different from somebody with a 10 gig backbone, but somebody with a 100 gig backbone has the ability to do more right and with more traffic than with others. So that would be my input on that. David Lawrence has his hand up and Ray, you just took yours down. OK, David. Yeah, all I was going to say was that situation with somebody running a server from their home is typically prohibited by the end user consumer agreements and that would be the difference between the business here and all. So, you know, I think that's going to be there's a really well established standard for the way that ISPs handle this. That's a good point. Thank you. So, Alan, let me ask you a question. Are we going to do this by two separate votes, one for each policy? I believe that's appropriate. Yeah, I think we should do that. I can make a motion now to adopt the draft of the net neutrality, the CV fiber net neutrality policy. Second, is that something you could paste in chat? It's pretty straightforward. I move to to approve the draft. CV fiber net neutrality policy. Second. OK. Oh, OK, so that's how the game is played. Interesting. All right. And Alan does not have the ability to do chat at the moment because he's doing everything off of his cell phone. Yeah. OK. Is there any more? I'm sorry. No, I'm fine. I'm fine. Any more discussion on this point? All right, let's vote on the motion. Are there any opposed to the motion seeing none opposed? Any abstention? I don't hear any abstention. The motion passes unanimously. Excellent, excellent work. Thank you, everybody. This is this is extremely important. Alan, would you please continue? Yeah, the next the next document is a what's what is labeled the Board Delegated Tendents Rule. I'll have Ray and or I don't know if Chris Schenck is on the caller on the Zoom call now, but they're the ones Chris and Ray were the ones who who thought of some language that could use the use to address the problem we've been having with delegates or alternates not showing up at meetings very often, some actually not coming for long periods of time. And originally, I think they had thought this could be a policy. And what I suggested to do was to make it into a rule in our rules of procedure CV fiber rules of procedure, because that's really where we have all the all the all the rules about how we operate as an organization, delegate responsibilities and so forth and so on. And they agreed to that and I helped come up with some language that took what they had done and turned it into a rule that has, as you can see an opening paragraph explaining why this is important and how CV fiber is negatively impacted by it and feels we have to take some action. And then there are five different steps that can be taken when absences become habitual. And Ray, do you want to take over from there? Do you want to explain anything about your thinking or generally in the idea of progressive notification or anything else? I'd be happy to. Thanks, Alan. Jeremy has hand up though. So if he's got a question we could address now. Sure. Sure. Or I mean, it's more of a suggestion. I emailed Alan, but then just thought of this recently. So I don't know if you want to talk about it a little bit more and then I can make my suggestion. Or if you want to... Let me go through some stuff here. And then we can do that. First of all, I'm going to start by thanking Jeremy Matt for the actual questions that we see over here. And you may have noticed that this information, the attendance information is in our minutes, in our board minutes. So you can see who's there and who isn't there. But this reflects the last year's worth of attendance by delegates and alternates and how much they are participating. The important part of the delegate and alternate is that they bring to the board meeting information about their particular community. And secondly, all of us have a wealth of experiences that help us inform our decision making, right? And so we miss that. And tonight we just made a quorum, right? We just made a quorum again. So here's an example of anything you see in the red here is below 50% attendance.  And you can see that Williamstown and Woodbury have had zero attendance over the last 14 years. There is low. Williamstown and Woodbury and Roxbury all have high, unserved and underserved people.  One second there. Go ahead. Great. Jeremy, could you go on mute please until you're speaking? Thank you. Okay, go ahead, Ray, sorry. So I wanted you to see the kind of dramatic attendance or lack of attendance by some. This is the language for Section K that Alan was just talking about. And there's five steps here. The first one has to do with the clerk. All of these, except for the last one, are clerk performances, clerk duties, because this is a ministerial kind of thing. This isn't the mayor of CV Fiber talking to the mayor or the chair of some whatever. We don't get to that until the last step. So the first few steps are, first of all, because the boards are not all getting the information about what we're doing, the first step is that all the boards and councils, city councils, get the minutes. So they'll be sent the minutes, which also means the board itself, all the delegates and alternates, including those who aren't in attendance, will get the minutes. So people are getting noticed, at least they're getting the information right about what we're doing. The second one is that delegates who have missed two meetings in a row, the clerk will notify them you've missed two meetings, you haven't been present, and that just point out this rule, because the next one is that when it's the three consecutive meetings, then we notify the select board that your delegates have missed three consecutive meetings, your alternates or whatever. If that still doesn't do it, on the fourth consecutive meeting, the clerk lets the select board and the city council know that the position has been vacated. I mean, constructively, it's been vacated. The person isn't showing up for whatever reason. And this isn't, by the way, to point the figure on anyone, a particular person or anything, or embarrass them. If someone hasn't been there for three or four meetings in a row, they ought to resign, right? They should at least go to the board and resign. The fifth step is that the CB Fibre Chair will request a meeting with the select board or the chair of the select board or the mayor, et cetera, et cetera, and talk about their participation with CB Fibre. Now, we don't have the ability to kick anybody out, okay? People vote to get in and we can't just kick them out. But we do lose the value of their participation if they're not participating. And so that's the language here and Jeremy and Tom have their heads up. So before we go any further about this, this is kind of apropos, I just did a count and I only count 10 people because Seth O'Brien is an alternate from Cabot and RD is the member from Cabot. So we may not actually have a quorum. It kind of rests on who is calling in by phone. I know that one is RD and one is Allen. There are two other people by phone or either of you delegates or alternates. Yeah, this is Dan Susan calling from 2128 on the alternate for Barrie Town. Okay, sounds good, okay. Phew, sorry, it gave me a little bit of a hard time. I don't have a pro of the top. I know, it's, yeah, so I mean, all right. So anyway, I think that this is a great idea. It adds a little bit more workload to me as clerk, but I think that is fine. The suggestion that I had was in addition to having the clerk kind of reach out to the towns to get after towns where neither the alternate nor the delegate has shown up because that's really what I'm tracking. I'm not tracking whether the alternate showed up or whether the delegate showed up. I'm just tracking was Cabot represented yes or no? Was Plainfield represented yes or no? I think a thing that would be, that I think we should add is that the delegates and the alternates from each town will kind of keep tabs on each other. And if the alternate isn't showing up, like for example, the Plainfield alternate has not shown up. This is gonna be the third meeting. I reached out and didn't hear back from him. So I think if I don't hear back, then I'm gonna go to Plainfield and say, hey, I haven't heard from this guy. We need to get a new alternate. And I think that that sort of a procedure should be in there as well, that if the alternate or the delegate noticed that the other person hasn't shown up for a couple of meetings, they reach out and go through sort of the same process, but sort of internal within the town. And that falls on the delegates and the alternates. Let me ask you this, Jeremy, and let me see if I can get this on my screen here. And some reason it's not behaving like this. It's because I've done this and now I need to get this up here. And that is, so here, you notice that the change is a change in paragraph two. The clerk will notify delegates and alternates who have missed two meetings in a row. If you just said we'll notify delegates. You think that- So that's getting into a fair bit of extra work for the clerk then to track not just whether Cabot was represented, but sort of further whether the alternate was there, whether the delegate was there, right? I'm thinking it's sort of like another, a second layer of checking where me as Plainfield Delegate would make sure that the Plainfield alternate is also active and vice versa. Yeah, so the reason I don't think that's the same is that what you said is that whether or not they participated in the meeting, it didn't matter whether it was the delegate or the alternate. Right? For the attendance, it doesn't matter whether it's alternate or delegate, it's just whether that particular town was represented. Can you suggest language? And now you're putting me on the spot. So something- Go on pause and think about something and we'll listen to what Tom has to say, okay? Fair enough. Language. Tom? That was the same, similar point to what I was going to point out, the language there around delegate versus alternate changing. And I think probably best if we revisit this on a future meeting, if we spend some time, I'm just like you're making sure we get this right. But we can have discussion now, I think to help feed into that. And I would say like, there was never an expectation that a delegate must attend every meeting or must attend the majority of meetings. It was that there was representation. And I think we've had delegates in the past who said, look, I'm gonna be gone for four months. Should I drop out or should I just stay on and let the alternate take over for a while? And we've all been kind of okay, well, yeah, let the alternate take over. As long as we can get business done, that's the important thing. I do think it would be nice if we could promote to alternates to attend. Because right now, I mean, if an alternate hasn't attended for a year and then shows up and is expected to make an informed decision on something, that's just doing us all a disservice. So I would in favor of this overall, but I think we should maybe table it to the next discussion or next meeting and maybe clean up some of the language here. But I do like the idea of enforcing a little bit of attendance so that we can get business done. Thanks, Tom, before we get to Linda, Jeremy, sorry, I got to ask you again, could you please go on mute when you're not speaking? Because it's disrupting. Thank you very much. Okay, Linda, your turn. Every town has a CVFiber.net email which should make this whole process a little easier for you, Jeremy. Like Waterbury at CVFiber.net where you could both delegate and alternate receives that email. So it's not a matter of contacting them. That's not the difficulty. And the other point is that I suspect that a lot of the people that aren't showing up are also not checking their emails. It's more the sort of the nuts and bolts of having to go through each of the minutes and say, okay, the alternate from Cabot showed up, but the delegate from Cabot didn't. So I need to parse out whether, so that's what my suggestion is that for the clerk, it's just town by town is more like the clerk will notify the town that they are not being represented and that they need to find representation, that sort of a thing. And then within the town, I don't have a great way to phrase it. I wasn't able to come up with anything as my brain is fried, it's been a very long day. But something along the lines of, alternates and delegates for each town will roughly monitor each other's attendance. And if either is inactive, the other member will go to the board or go to their select board and request a new alternate or delegate be appointed. Jeremy, I think what I was suggesting was exactly what you were saying, Jeremy, is that by using the town, you're not contacting the delegate and alternate directly, you're contacting the two of them through the town at, no, why do you say no? No, because that just pops up. If they are not active, it is popping up, it's gonna just go to their CV Fiber email address. If they're not checking their CV Fiber email address, it doesn't matter if I email, Jerry Diamantidis at cvfiber.net or if I email Berlin at cvfiber.net. Right, they both go to the same place. It's just a matter of, I don't want to get into having to track. Personal email is what you're saying. As a clerk, you have to look up their personal email No, it's nothing to do with the difficulty of contacting them. It's the being counting of having to keep track of for Cabot did the alternate show up, for Cabot did the delegate show up and kind of to, I forget who made the point, but to the point that we should be expected to show up for most, but it's more, you know, is the town being represented? I think that's the biggest point for this one. That's what I would like to see too. Can we allow R.D. to enter the conversation? Cabot's been the whipping boy here. I'm sorry, my apologies R.D. It's all right, it's okay. Cabot doesn't get a lot of notice.  The problem is getting a quorum. I've had the same experience on solid waste districts. They have a difficulty getting a quorum, but the towns that participate are happy with whatever is going down, unless it affects them specifically. I'm not sure that we need to do more than keep select boards copied with our minutes, town clerks copied with our minutes, delegates copied with our minutes. If we experience a significant problem with quorums, at that point, the clerk can make or the chair, the board, can make overtures to the towns whose representation is largely inactive. It's not an impediment to CD fiber's business to have some towns chronically unrepresented. Their unrepresentation and their failure to address their unrepresentation, in my view signifies a sense to what CD fiber is doing. I'm not sure that we need to complexify our rules of procedure to lay an extra onus on the clerk to track these, I say this without disparagement, these delinquencies, they don't necessarily affect the ability of CD fiber to do business, as long as we can get a quorum for each of our meetings. Okay, so I see that Tom wants to re-enter the discussion, please. Tom? I think therein lies the rub, R.D. I mean, we nearly didn't have quorum at this meeting and we need to address that somehow. This is not the first time that we've nearly or even missed having quorum, and we need to make sure that this doesn't keep happening. I guess, so my question at this point would be, I'm not thinking we'll come back to this in the future, but looking down at like steps four and five there, what does that mean procedurally? If we have officially said, okay, we consider this seat vacated, are we legally allowed to continue with only nine people as a quorum or something? Like, is there, are we still stuck until essentially somebody's select board gets another person who does show up to a meeting? I believe we're still stuck because there's an official number of towns and we're stuck with that. I'd like to let Siobhan into the conversation. She hasn't had an answer of input yet. I, where I'm running into concern and I know that Linda has shared this in the past is the towns that are not being represented don't know what's going on. It's not just that they aren't having a voice on the board but the citizens don't know what's going on. Elmore is, well, no, Woodbury, Woodbury I think is the example that Linda has where she's spoken to people from Woodbury who had no idea what's going on with CV5 but they just kind of assume things are toolin' along. They don't get any reports back, they're not getting any information and so Woodbury hasn't been asked for funding for ARPA funds, I think. Well, I think they got an indirect ask from Jerry but that doesn't have the same direct touch as a member going to the select board and saying something and I think that that it's not just us hitting quorum but it's also the people of the town having their voices heard and getting reports back and hearing back on what's going on. I think that that matters in the long run. I guess I'm done. Thanks, thanks, Siobhan.  Because, additional. Additional, okay, Jeremy, go first and then R.D. Ray, I was wondering if I could share my screen to show some of the attendance stuff that I think kind of highlights this. If you notice in the last year, the last time that we had more than three quarters of towns represented was August of last year. Since then we have missed a meeting and that's partly my fault because I wasn't there either but there was one meeting where we did not achieve quorum and we had to quickly call another meeting. There are also these two meetings here where we won more than quorum. This one I haven't put in yet but is going to be 11 out of 21. We need to get this figured out. Point taken, R.D., go ahead, sir. Okay, am I being heard? Yes, please. Good, the ensuring that the people of the town are represented is the responsibility of select boards and city councils. That's not our responsibility. We offer every opportunity for representation and I think that's the responsibility of municipal governments. Perhaps we ought to have another look at our charter and see if we can redefine quorum in such a way that makes it easier for us to do business. I had to face the same problem with a solid waste district to which Cabot belong and the solid waste district was having difficulty getting a quorum together and the problem originates in the charter itself. But I think we're undertaking too much responsibility when we make ourselves responsible for seeing to it that the individual towns are proper, the residents of individual towns are properly represented. That's my point. Well, let me ask a question here. Are there sufficient changes to the policy that the recommendation here that isn't even a motion yet? Is there a sufficient change to make a motion out of this or should, is this something that we're going to table and either bring back in two pieces and do an A and a B because I think we're very close to the A about getting a quorum and then there's B about chasing individual delegates. We do need to move forward because we spent a lot of time on this and maybe folks should attend policy committee meetings and refine it there if that's what needs to happen. I see a number of hands up and I see a number of folks that aren't on mute that aren't talking. So let me go to Tom Fisher, Jeremy and RD and see if we can close this out, please. One thing from consideration of as we move this forward in the policy committee is do we want to also address quorum issues at committees or is that an issue that needs to be addressed? I guess I'll leave that to the chairs of the committees to decide if they think we need to go that far. It purposely wasn't in this item. This was meant to be a very specific item. Jeremy, were you next on that list or is your hand down now? My hand is down now. Okay. RD, why don't you close out this discussion, sir? I would suggest we table this discussion and kick the question back to the policy committee. Alan, you started this? Yeah, I started it. I dropped off, by the way, because I had one phone go out and I had to find another one, so I might drop that again. But is there a motion that's on the floor now? No, sir. Was there a motion to adopt the policy or the rule, rather? The motion for the net neutrality passed and what we're talking about now for the delegate attendance never got to a motion. There have been some challenges made. And now it sounds like RD has made a motion to table. Discussion, is that correct? It was a request. Perhaps it is a motion. It was a suggestion. I don't think we need a motion to table since there's no motion on the table. There's no motion before us. Okay, well, I'll make a motion then. I'll move that we adopt the rule as presented just so we can keep going on this. I second. Okay, Linda seconds. Okay, so... And then the other thing we can do, if we wanna settle this tonight, I could call the question and we could take a vote on this and move forward that way. We can't call the question, right? What's that? We can't call questions. Wasn't that one of the policies? Can't call the vote. Can we do that? And I don't have my stuff in front of me because I have no power. It's just really awful. We do have other business on the agenda and we've spent, I don't know, maybe almost half an hour here. Yeah. Yeah, I thought we can't cut off discussion, but we can call the question. We can call the question. I'm sorry, I didn't hear that already. We can call the question, under Robert's rules, we can call the question, but... Yeah, and I think... Yeah, but I... But I would prefer to offer a motion to table. I think we have a motion already between Alan and myself. Alan's the chair of the policy, I'm the vice chair. There is a motion, and I would move to table the question. I believe that's in order. Yeah, you can do that if you want, and that would mean that we don't discuss this anymore tonight. It's not just any, we're essentially cutting off... But we can bring it up again at the future meeting. I think we will bring it up again. Cut off the table at a future meeting. Right. Jeremy, Matt's seconded RD's request to table. Do we need to take a vote on that request to table? Yes. All right, then let's take a vote on that request to table. I'm gonna... Any opposed to the request to table? Jerry, can I just say why? Can I say why before we do that just to... Sure, Jeremy, go ahead. I think that this is a really good idea. I think it's necessary, but I think that it needs more, needs some refining. Understood. So, so I heard, let's take a vote then because I heard an opposition. Jeremy, help me keep count here because it's very difficult to know who counts as a delegate and who doesn't count as a delegate. Okay, votes to table. Hold on just a sec. I need to get some notes down here.  That would be excellent, please do the roll call. Okay. Would you state the motion, Jerry? I mean, the motion before the board is to table the motion to adopt the policy. That is correct, sir. Thank you. All right, so, sorry, bear with me real quick here. So, Alan Gilbert. No. This is the motion to table. Right, no. So, and you voted no. Okay, correct. David Healy. Yes. David Lawrence. Sorry, I was muted, no. David Lawrence, Jerry Diamantidis. Yes, table. RD. Yes. Ray Pelletier. Well, I'm opposed to solid ways to RD but I'm gonna support the motion to table. Siobhan Paracon. Is that an aye? I am so tired of this policy already. I'm gonna say no. I'm ready. Henry Almastati. Jerry, Matt, I'm gonna vote yes. Linda Gravel. No. You'll notice all the policy people that are on the committee are saying no because we've been through this already three meetings. Well, we have one, two, three, four, no's and one, two, three, four, five, six, eyes. So the eyes have it. I haven't been asked. This table. Oh, right, I'm sorry. Tom. Yes. I'm sorry about that. Yes. And then actually also Dan Sousa also needs to... Yes. But okay, so the motion to table still passes. Somebody's yeses better show up at the policy committee. That's all I can say. Yes, indeed, Linda. Okay, that's what we need to do. This is the place to thumbs up or thumbs down not really the place to develop these. So if you want to put into development please show up at the policy meeting with your suggestions. They can be by email. That would be fine. I just noticed that the people who aren't here didn't vote. Point taken Ray. Thank you. Okay. Geneal, I would like to move on with some update on the communication committee RFPs.  Are we moving forward, sir? No, we're not moving forward. Oh, okay. Thank you. Community communications committee RFPs. Thank you, Geneal, please. We had four very promising responses to our bid for public engagement and marketing. We have those interviews scheduled with the four firms this week and next. We will be reviewing the responses that we receive from those interviews. And our goal is to have a kickoff meeting with our chosen vendor by the 25th of this month. One of the most important things that we're asking our vendors for is how they will integrate with crowdfiber in integrating into our website so that we can get subscribers. Excellent, Geneal, thank you. And this is a very time-consuming activity here for Geneal. Are there any questions for Geneal on how this is moving forward? Okay, thank you. So let's move on to executive committee charter recommendation. I don't know if I have this wording quite right. I'm not sure if I'm handing this over to Ray or if I'm handing this over to Alan. It might be easier to hand it over to Ray because he's got the visual. Well, Ray, will you take this? Yeah, please. So, what I can tell you is that there's an awful lot going on in all the work. You just heard Geneal. You just said that just the tip of the iceberg with regard to what is going on. And what we're looking for is the board adopts policies. The board adopts policies. The executive committee executes those policies. And in so doing, they have to set up guidelines to follow, to implement those policies. And what this motion is about is about establishing what those guidelines are. So that the guidelines describe a set of actions that fulfill policy. And so the motion is that the board approves a change to the executive committee charter to take such actions as appropriate to oversee, manage, and direct the day-to-day operations of CV fiber, including but not limited to the adoption of guidelines to govern CV fiber activities. Any such guidelines shall be distributed to the board when established. So the board will become aware of what the executive committee is doing when it adopts these guidelines. I'm happy to answer any questions for you. What I would tell you is among those, see if I have that here. I sent out by mail the implementation guideline changes. For example, that if the charter changes approved, the executive committee will make these changes. Otherwise, we would be spending our board time going through and explaining what each of these changes are and why we're making these particular changes. And so I put it to you that the executive committee might be in the best position in order to go through all of these kinds of things. So that's the motion. I second. We have a second by RD. Is there additional discussion on this? Motion? It's hard for me to see. I see Tom Fisher. Go ahead, Tom. Sorry, finding the mute button. Ray, I was wondering if you could give an example of where this fits between just doing regular daily business and a whole policy change. Like a hard example. I saw you showed one up there on the screen real quick, but what are- Can I give one? I have one off the top of my head that happened just today. Go for it. We have a new warehouse. Janiel went and got keys made. How many keys and who gets them? Do we want to bring that to the board? That's the day-to-day kind of decisions that we're talking about. So we have guidelines on okay, who's responsible for holding keys for the warehouse as opposed to having this mixed up with policy considerations. And so what the board did however was, first it approved us doing a warehouse lease. It approved the budget line items for a warehouse. And so it improved the things and now what we're doing is we're implementing those things. We're going to put a fence around the yard to make secure for the reels of fiber that we're getting, for example. We're going to set up this warehouse. It's going to have power. It's going to have internet. And we're going to hire some people in order to receive the goods on Friday. And those are just implementing the big decisions that the board has made. I think this makes total sense. I'm wondering if there's a, is there a level that you'd say, ah, that's actually more of a policy decision or area. Where would you find that line? You know, I think maybe kind of gray, but what I would say to you is this, that we will, the executive committee will publish the guidelines to the board. If the board upon reviewing that thinks that we've gone into a policy area, they can bring it up in the next board meeting and we can review it. We can answer the questions. And if we've gone over the line, then we'll fix it. We'll fix it. I like that. Thanks. So we have a motion. We have a second. Is there additional discussion? Let's take a vote then, please. Any opposed to this motion? Any abstention? I hear no, no abstentions, no opposition. The motion, motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much, everybody. This is, this really unt, we had our shoelaces tied together until we had this. Thank you very much. I think that all of the delegates who show up to the meetings should get a copy of the keys. No. No, I do not want a copy of the keys. Okay, so we have two items coming up here that are very important. We, for construction scheduling, we have Jason Neely. I hope he's still here. We have Jason that we're gonna ask to talk for a few minutes about how our construction scheduling moves forward. We also have some financial planning information that is extremely sensitive. And I would also add that our construction scheduling in order to describe it appropriately is extremely sensitive. So we have two items here that we are going to move into executive session over. So I just wanna point that out to folks. And when we move into executive session, I believe we are going to want to ask that Jason Neely, of course, be a part of our executive session, be out of the necessity of the information that he has to share. I don't know who, I think everybody else on the line is either a delegate or an employee and doesn't need, John Walters helps us with our PR if he's still on here. I have a hard time telling who's on and who's not. So is there a motion out there that we move into executive session? Do we have that already? R.D. has his hand up though first. So moved. I so moved. Well, it's in the chat room, Jerry. And so move that we have an executive session discuss records that confidential pursuant to one VSA section 313 alpha six, specifically construction scheduling and financial plans that relate to our strategic planning. And that staff, John Walters, Jason Neely and any delegate or alternates who's required one for our quorum. And also our members of the board to stay on. We will wind up in accordance with one VSA section 313 Bravo. Of course, we're gonna stop recording. What I would add to that, there'll be a motion that comes out of this with regard to financial planning. There's nothing expected for construction scheduling.  Please. Okay. R.D. will send solid waste. All of those folks who doesn't. Okay. So now that we've had that motion, we do require a second at this time. R.D. second. Thank you. Okay. Can't second before the motion R.D. Sorry. So now. I thought he made the motion. All right. We don't need to take a vote on this. We can now just move into executive session. Is that correct? No. No, it's a motion. We need to vote on it. Oh, we do need to vote on my apologies. Any opposed to going into executive session on these issues? Any abstentions on this? No opposition, no abstentions. So it's unanimous. We're going into executive session at 7.08. I am going to stop the recording. I will let you know when that recording has stopped and we will be in executive session. Christian, I will finish the minutes from there and send the notes off to you. So thank you so much. And I will send the video. The recording has stopped. We are now in executive session. Thank you.


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Let's do what we gotta do to make sure Boss talk one-on-one, stay pushing up the way we keep doing, man. Listen, we got a guy here today, don't need no introduction, man. This guy right here, he's one of the guys, man, that I met, man, he'd be on that stage. You know what I'm saying? When you think about all the other guys that have been on that stage, I done seen everybody from Chico Bean, Country Wayne, all of these different comedians, Jesse McDonald, Myron, Cheatin' Ass Myron, my guys, Face On Love, you know what I'm saying? I done seen all of these guys, what's that boy, Huck the comedian, Eddie Griffin. And I ran into JB, man, it had been something real serious and different, man. What's going on with JB? I can't complain, man. JB is awful, man, listen, man, we still on the high from last night. You see, we got the Bubba Dub shirt on. Everybody wearing the Bubba Dub shirt. Shout out to Bubba Dub because last night, I love that new design, the new design night. Last night was serious. Last night, nigga. Man, listen, I was so proud, man, just to be a part of that whole movement, man. You guys smashed it. I remember when I came a while back, when we the first y'all filled up the one in Arlington, and man, you know it was a serious one because that was the first one where I want to say. First full sold out show. And what I loved about it is the fact that Bubba Dub got emotional about it. Correct, and D.A. Ellis, I think he was the one that was pretty much doing the MCing and hosting that night. They not be able to do it on a Sunday.  Everything was totally different. These guys are different, man. To be honest with you, when I had Black Ron on here, he said there are some comedians that, and we ain't gonna say no names, that really don't want to be in the room with certain other comedians because they don't want to lose, they shine because D. Niggas is shining, man, the light is bright. Yes, sir. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank God for having me. Man, and we want to get all the way into it. I want to go all the way into who this guy is, let the people know what's going down. Yes, sir. Yeah, okay, when I listen to your jokes, you talk about country living. Yeah. So, I mean, you're from the country. I'm from the country, the Deep Woods. What part of the country you from? Well, I'm really from Santa Cruz. I was born in Montgomery, Alabama, pretty much. That's where the hospital's at. So, then you got to go on to Montgomery. How far is that from Montgomery? Probably about 35, 40 minutes. Almost out from Montgomery. How country is it? Shit, Niggas still got well water. Niggas still picking peas from for a living. So, it's country, yeah. It's country, man. So, people still do stuff the old fashioned way, you know what I'm saying? But it ain't that country, because when I think about country, I hear about, you said well water, so they don't have no septic coming to their houses? They got septic, some of them do. Some of them still got out of house. Yeah, because that's what I'm saying. Country is when you ain't got that septic running in there. Still got them, still dirt roads in 2023.  Now like so, when you were coming up, man, I know being down in the country like that, what's the main thing that you remember? You know, is that red dirt? Red dirt, like red clay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was different about you coming up, you feel that other people didn't experience? Man, I had love when I grew up. I'm the only boy out of six. Wow. I'm the middle, I'm the third out of six. So, just bro. So, you spoiled rotten.  I just, I ain't gonna say spoiled, but just grew up around love, man. Just learned to meet and love, cause some people grew up all survived, but I can peep that, you know what I'm saying? Being around women, different personalities, I can just peep things when it comes to people trying to get it up on me. Was that he around? No, he had no dad around, but I know my dad, but he wasn't around. He wasn't around? No. When was the first time you met him? I knew my dad up until the age of nine. All of the nine, then he stepped out? Yeah, stepped out. How long did it take for you to see him again after that? Man, my dad is still lying. I better see my dad. I don't live in my life.  So, you know how hard feelings it's just like, once a man gets past a certain age, you can't be dependent, looking for no daddy. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm on. You say it wasn't no hard feelings, but as a kid, though, when, you know, maybe I just watched too much movies, cause I was never placed in that situation when my mom and dad was in the household together. I cannot tell anybody I know exactly how it feels. Now, everything, everything I'm like about my dad is what he showed me, what not to like about him.  Like, ain't nobody. So, as a child, you didn't like him at the time? I didn't like him. I was just like, I thought someone was wrong. Me kind of swindled in the scene, and I just, like about, hold on a minute. See, that's the part I was looking for. It ain't you. It's him.   No, man, I was around my granddad. Don't try to play me, man. I was around my granddad, Cooney, and my uncle's a lot. That's right? I was around my uncle's and my granddad a lot. So, that was a good thing about it too. So, you did have a male figure brown? Yeah, I had a lot of different all type of things. See, that's the part I was looking for because when I started saying that, you know, I watch a lot of movies and I get certain things from movies because when I watch movies and you talk about the father leaving and stuff like that, it shows the child always feeling like it was my fault, why you left. They always feel that type of way. I had a lot of other feelings for my uncle's and my granddad and them too, so. Like, I always had somebody else, so. So, you had the male role models? Yeah, they kept me busy too, doing all type of stuff. I started pouring concrete probably about three years old. Hey! For real. Drank a bit too. Let them tell it. So, when did you really think that you had a funny bone in your body, that you could tell some jokes? I've always been funny, let everybody else tell. I just tell them I just be myself, you know. It come up, it come out, but like really when I really realized it, like I was in the Marine Corps, that he was in the Marines and. Wait a minute, wait a minute.  I was gonna go play ball. I had a full right of Southern Mississippi. Basketball? Football. Football? Yeah, I had a full right. What position? Safety. Were you good? I was pretty decent, yeah, I was pretty alright. I ain't gonna just say that, I let the people that's watching this let them chime in, y'all tell them how it was. I was him, back in my day.  Yeah, I'm like, I'm thinking about the long haul.   You know what I'm saying, no matter anything, I'm gonna see the world. But who you knew that was in the Marines? My whole family. I'm just the first Marine, yeah. So it's like. So they were a military? Yeah, they bladed the trail. I come from a military family. Okay. So they bladed the trail with military, just seeing what I can get, just being in the military. So why Marines over the Army? Just wanted to be different. I had already had, my uncle's already on my Air Force Navy, so I'm like, I just want to be different. I wanted a challenge, so I joined the Marine Corps. Oh, okay. So what's the difference, though, with the Marine? Like, who's tougher? It's kind of like 12 weeks, you only get two phone calls, you let your folks know when you're getting there and let them know when you graduate. Ain't no, in between weekends off, y'all had training. Is one harder training-wise than the other? Yeah, it's like, no days off. Like, they can really beat you up at the Marine Corps, the old Marine Corps anyway. I don't know about the new Marine Corps. I've been out, about 17 years. How long you been in? How long were you in there for? I did eight years then. Eight years? Eight eight years. Why did you come out? I got a little trouble. In the military, I got it. Amin' self-made CNN. What's that? Amin' self-made. Administratively, kicking me out. Well, for what? Being a nigga. What did you do? I got accused of rape, robbing, and kidnap in Japan. Hold on, hold on. In Japan? Hold on, rape, robbing, and kidnap. Yeah, I was 25. How'd that happen? What happened? She was out on a night in Japan in Hiroshima, where they got in the Pearl Harbor, she was in the bomb, she was out being three of the Marines, and one was getting out of the attack in two days.   When she get caught by the police or what not, I get it. And she's a native? Yeah. Local. And she said she was raped, robbing, and kidnap. She gave like 14 different statements. Before it came out, it was a lie. And Marine Corps still tried to prosecute it, but I beat them. I was facing 99 years out of the post-bitter parole. So I'm just gonna live in testimony, man.  And you beat it. Beat it. Wow, did you go before a jury? I went for a whole court martial. Judging everything. They got mad at me because I went to testify against other Marines. I'm like, I can't do that.  I know I broke the rules and broke the curfew, but the other shit, come on, cause. Did all of them get off? All of them beat it. Okay, that's good. Yeah, all of them beat it. Wow. You didn't like. And they still boot you out. Even after you beat it. Yeah, and I was like, they stripped me of my rank and everything. You would think that, as long as you beat it, that you'd be good. It was an international incident.  It's gonna pop up. And you'll go to Japan. Wow. Yeah, man, so. I think the main thing is God already have a plan. Most definitely. We think we walk in and we get doing this and doing that, but God has an ultimate plan that you gonna make it through and get to. For real? And I think a lot of times people put that, that thought in their mind, oh, I'm doing this. I'm gonna go over here. I'm doing that. God is the one controlling the whole thing. So I think that that's something that, so when you go through these trials and tells them he preparing you for something else so that later on in life, you'll be able to talk to and speak to certain situations that may be a cat that been in the military to face some situation. You can tell them, hey, man, don't do this. Or it's a chance you could beat that, man. Don't just fold over for the, you see what I'm saying? That's the stuff that I think a lot of times people don't realize, like you go through something just so that you could help others to get through it as well. You know? Most definitely. So man, that's, that's big. One more question after that is, does that affect you when you come, when you come out into the real world trying to get a job? Does that affect you? I ain't got anywhere. I'm retired now. They think. No, I know, oh, okay. So you didn't have to work again after that. I'm a comeback veteran. I did three tools in Iraq, so. Okay, so they didn't take away all of that.  Even when they boot you out, they still can't take all of that.  So I stay out of the way. I'm on the road doing comedy, doing what I love. Just my favorite, so I ain't know that. Yeah.  You were somewhere and you probably were cracking jokes. Yeah, nigga, you know what I'm saying? Your mama. Rankin'. Your mama this, your mama that. Yeah, your mama, nigga. Yeah. So how did you first get in, know that you had a niche for comedy? I don't know, just being around people. People be joking. They try, they try to joke on me a lot in school. And I keep them off of me. That's how I really learn how to really joke. People try and joke on me, that ain't no, he the little guy we gonna joke on him.  I didn't want to fight. So I had to fight too, so. Yeah, yeah. But after you came out of military, how long did it take you before you jumped into comedy? I jumped right in. As soon as you came back. Somebody had bedded me in LA. I got booed in LA. Oh, okay. What happened? Nigga had bedded me $50. I bet you wouldn't get on the stage. So I was, I ain't got nothing to lose. Yeah, y'all get on stage, get that money. I ain't, everybody in military took my money, my unit. People, I was around. I'll get a funny bra as well.  Boo. What did you say?  You know that. What you drunk? I was drunk as a bitch, man. That was it. I got the $50 though. That was my ride home through the cab. But for real, man, I started in California. How did you feel? I said, damn, I can't believe I got booed.  And went home to Montgomery, Alabama and jumped in the head first. And it got with a comedy crew called Mr. Grimes Comedy Crew. We were doing views like a million a month just on YouTube and world stuff. Wow. You know what I'm saying? The shit, man, that didn't work out like I was going back and forth on the Greyhound to the improv on the open mics. On the Greyhound bus, man, hustling up bread. Not no home to get home. How old were you at that time? About 27, 28. Okay, so you started comedy late? Yeah. Okay. Started late. But there's no age cap on comedy though. You can start comedy anytime. I told him I got myself together, man, Wayne got to work now so I can really focus on comedy now. So I did the back end on the front end. So you started doing your comedy there. Now where's the next place that you end up at? And when you in, where's the next stage you get up on and you know, like, I'm gonna go in and give it a shot? That's the spot we had in Montgomery, Alabama. They tore it down. That was like my gym. I worked out this place called The Owners Box, the seventh floor. Shot of Chimp, man. Every Saturday, we have comedy shows up there. I started as like the guy on the low, on the low guy on the totem pole. Going first, working my way up, then being the headliner and stuff like that to do my own shows at that place, man. They tore that place down, it kinda hurt me a little bit, but I'm like, I'm ready to go do this thing. And then I decided to move to Texas. Wow. And you moved to Texas now. Now let's talk about, cause you have a special relationship with Dionne, right? Dionne Sanders and Junior, you know, Dionne Junior. Yeah, Junior, the boy that I met up in Vegas to try and sell me them clothes. I like him. But anyway, like, now he dealing with the camera. They got him out there. So let's talk about that for a minute. Like, how did you end up, was it because you was a cornerback or how did you end up dealing with Dionne? That's crazy about that. I wind up dealing with Junior, the power of social media. Really? On Twitter. Oh, okay. Yeah, like, Nick was talking about, you know, he's like the hood of Donuts. I don't want to do enough of that in the white box.  You got to trust fun. You know what I'm saying? So I said, yeah, on Twitter.  Oh, I see what they got going on. And I seen the clothing line, like my land name Brad will, I like Pops, but I want to work with Junior. Beal something, beal something together with him, make it strong. Like Pops already got that going. He got this crew. I want to do something with Junior, reached out to him. Hey man, I got my own car, clothes, money hoes and everything, bro. I want to be a part of something great. What's up? I can move to Dallas next week.  Wow. So that's how you end up in there? In Dallas. You reaching out to Dionne Junior? Yup. Started as brand ambassador every time something dropped. I'd buy every color with he had. Out of my pocket. Didn't matter what it was. Wow. Bought everything, you know what I'm saying? Then after that, he's like, your money ain't no good in the most that are being an ambassador. I'm finna make you partner. Wow. I'm round with this thing. But that's so crazy because when you think about a brand ambassador, the ones that I see on Instagram and stuff like that, cause you say you buy all of that out of your pocket, all these brand ambassadors in today's society, they expect to get something for free. I had to work up to that. You understand what I mean? No, but when you see them, they just coming up. Exactly. They just think that that's what brand ambassadors do for the main fact you're saying that. You bought it all. That's totally different. I should have said I can invest, bro, to be invested with. I like that. I'm willing to ask you like, what did you see in Dionne Junior? Being that he's so overshadowed by his father. Meaning his father, you can't get around no lights. I just...  He great. He do it at elite level. For me, Dionne is the best ever to do it, period. But I'm just saying how, what do you see in his son that make you know there's something special there? For one, no cap. His work ethic for one, you know what I'm saying? Like it's hard to be somebody that ain't gonna quit. About like me. And then like she is hard to really give with somebody and somebody genuinely give you a chance. He genuinely gave me a chance. Wow. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't really do that. When you first see him and you meet him and you get up here, what's the conversation like when you first... Oh shit, when I first got here, they had a welcome party for me. What now? When I first got here.  It was his mama's birthday, mama's C birthday, Deionne's birthday. She was lit. We was at the, I don't know if we get the red jacket. Lit, set out and everything. They gave me a shout out and everything.  But the crazy part, somebody busting into my truck the morning before. Okay.  I get that fix, I got the insurance, but they turned it out for them, set it out for them. And they just embraced you. That's God, man. That's favor, man. It felt like family after that. Yeah, we've been family since. Favor ain't fair.  Right. That's being. They did their background check on me too. They told me they did their background. How did they do it? Oh man, I don't know how they did it, but... They knew somebody that knew you, that knew you was good people.  You have to know all of that before you welcome somebody into your family. Wow. And so, and you say, what sticks out to him is he just don't quit. Cause I'm gonna tell you now, and I always tell him this, I told him this when I seen him down there at the club. Cause I ran into him, he wasn't with him. No, not the next time. No, it was me and my wife. It was another time. And I had met him in Vegas, Junior. Yeah, he was at the convention. Yeah. And I told him up there, your daddy is a football player. I can't see how I'm gonna buy clothes from you.  Then fast forward to now and see him still dealing with it from the gold brand and all that stuff. Well off. Well, just standing there being consistent and motivating and driving himself.  Like he's out there with the camera. He figures out a way to be dynamic in whatever source that D on him had got going on. And I think that's powerful, man. That's definitely. I love on kids trying to come up under a shadow when they parents, you know, you see that hip hop to kids. Yeah, hip hop kids. What's the name of that show? Growing up Hollywood or something. Yeah, growing up hip hop or something. Like when you see those kids, a lot of times it's a struggle. I mean, I deal with a lot of different one, like from a little soldier slim. I deal with a shorted low junior.  Or that was famous and stuff. And it's just, you see them in some special in those kids, man, because they having to be out here in the shadows of their parents. Exactly.  I didn't know that other boy was still playing. I think he too old to be in college. Yeah, he a grad. He already out. A grad transfer. He graduated with a grad transfer. What does that mean? You graduate from school, get your degree. Yeah. And you have for your edge ability to play as a graduate. Really? Yeah. So this is the last game? Yeah, yeah. Last year? Yeah. Did you think he gonna take it all away? Yeah, I think so. Going to the NFL? Yeah, good trip. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. He called him one early in his last game. Yeah, I think so.  He's cold. He's cold, so. Yeah. Like I just say, it's always that big old brightening light where you, you know what I'm saying? How do you feel about them? And I'm gonna get off the sandals in a minute, but how do you feel to Colorado? You know, he left Jackson. Keep on rolling. You know what I'm saying? You had to get off down there. Like I said, I won that, so I can't say. You know what I'm saying? It's beautiful to me. Yeah, but. I'd love to see it. Oh yeah, yeah. Like for us going to Colorado and making that transition. Turning everything around and the positivity going on. I love it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I love it. All right. Well, we're gonna get in back into the comedy now, but shout out to them. Let's talk about it. Let's talk. Okay, so after you traveling back and forth, cause you're very motivated. Yes, you came here and you started dealing with that. Once you started dealing with that, did it take away from your comedy because you started to have to try to invest in this brand? I definitely put comedy down for a little bit. Right. People were like, well, you got shots of it, man. I'm doing it. Exactly. Folks on the brand are well off. Got this going, but I do skits in between, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. And in between working with Junior, people would pick me up, put them on their tools. Curb and Claybourne did it for like a year. Then after that, I sat down for a little bit, went on to again. Was that your first tour? No, I did. I did a lot of tours myself. What was your first tour? My first tour was self-funded by myself. Okay. Called Six Drills in Comedy. Yeah, man.  We did that. I ain't have a camera, I had a cell phone.  So I just kept rolling with it and just kept growing the brand. So when did you decide to say, okay, now well off is good. Let me go ahead and go first you to comedy. After me and Junior come to grips with it, it's like, you growing, bro, I'm growing. You know what I'm saying? I see what this doing. I'm like, shoot, bro. I'm still gonna be with you, but I can't be there with you right now. I got still, I got a little my dream too, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna see you at the top. How long ago was that? About three years. Three years ago. I've been a tour of Dub since. Let's talk about that. My boy Bubba Dub. He frequents the show. We was met down in Houston. We was down in New Orleans together. We was together last night. It was my birthday. We was in our New Orleans. Really? You know what? You ain't say nothing. Shit, we were too late.  I got to cut out on your dub. Y'all kick it. We stay too low. Be safe out here. Everybody left. Everybody left. Not because he was saying he was going down to... We went down to the quarter. The ride. That's right. Fresh quarter. Yeah, we didn't do that. We used to that long. He's like, this is it. But I knew y'all would get ride out. I said, get laid, babe. We got to get out of there. We stay too low, y'all.  Otherwise, I'd say, hey, man, it's time to go. And y'all niggas don't care nothin' about it. Nothin' down here in New Orleans. Even be a young boy that I know. Yeah, yeah. So we, I definitely enjoyed that down there. But so, like, you hangin' out with Bubba Dub, how did y'all even end up meeting? Like, what did you... Like, how did y'all link? Me being the cameraman for Junior and everything else. Really? Shootin' the skit. Ain't in it just playin' my part, playin' my role. What kind of skit Bubba Dub doin'? Junior got pulled over in the car with the police right here. Guns, dope, pills, everything.  And I'ma tell them, I'ma tell them the police niggas, you gonna get 40 years. That was him? Yeah, it was him. I said, damn, I'll try my best not to laugh. But that was the skit. And after that, Jackson State thing was transpirin' me.  It was a mutual agreement. We'll see you at the top. Wow. And then you hit up Dub and... Dub hit me up.  Really, Dub? Why he hit me up? Okay. And it was looking for somebody that could hit the road with him that could just up and go and got that holdin' him back. And I emailed Dub probably about four months. Hey, man, I'm a camera guy, whoo-do-whoo-do-whoo-whoo. They ain't get back with me, dude, when they called me.  And he out wantin' to win. I said, I been callin' y'all, nigga, they up. They said, well, we had to sort it out so we wanted. And you the best candidate, when can you start, nigga? Nah! Nah!  Ain't took a break. Ain't took a break. I know, it's just, it's fascinating to see how you guys rollin', man. Like, you guys from city to city, man. Like, I talked to Dub, he's like, man, I'm in Chicago, North Carolina, I'm over here. I'm over here. We got Sis and Maddy and Cleveland. Oh, I and Sis and Maddy and Cleveland. They just come back to back to back comin' up. You see what I'm sayin'? Y'all everywhere, man. Gotta be excited to be movin' like that. Yeah, but I want to talk about the importance of speakin' things into existence, because earlier you were sayin' that when we saw you down there when we were lookin' at, both lookin' at clothes, and this was before you actually did the skit. He, Bubba Dub, did the skit with Junior, right? Yep. And you were talkin' to Ian, you were like, man, yeah, I wanna do somethin' with Bubba Dub. Yeah, so I worked with the nigga Bubba Dub.  And it's very important in speaking what you want into existence, because don't think the skit's not gonna come through.  I damn it did, I was sleepin' in my car at one point. Wow. You know what I'm sayin'? Homeless.  I see you on the thing with Bubba Dub, you damn sure did, didn't it? I don't know. Do you have any children? I don't got no kids. No kids, got no, earlier you were sayin' that you were married before. I'm glad I'm out of that, Dub. It was tough, wasn't it? Ain't gonna say tough, man. She just wanted to write one for me. How long were you married for? Just a few years. Just two years? In one long, in one long. Oh, okay.  Man, I learned a lot from Bubba Dub. I sit around him, just took up everything. Like, when somebody puts you in places and spaces that they ain't gotta have you in, you gotta just really take advantage of that, man. And he showed that in Louisville, Kentucky, you know what I'm sayin'? I wasn't in the room with him in D.L. Hughley, but he said, I got my guy J.B. Yachter, he up next, you know what I'm sayin'? Got, came, looked out there and came and found him. Wow, he is? Yeah, man, yeah. Pretty cool, man. That's pretty cool.  But I ain't killed this time. Wow. Started working alongside with him. And you said you wanted to do business with Bubba Dubb. Why him? There's millions and millions of comedians everywhere. Just, he original. He doin' stuff and been dumbin' forever.  I said, man, it can't be for real. It can't be told to those million damn folks in the live right here today. I said, I like what he got goin' on here from the country just like me. So, just see hand in hand. Just people that doubt you and don't believe me. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah. I said, I wanna work with this guy. Wow. I think that's noble that you guys have figured it out. Like, a lot of people don't. I've watched a lot of comedy shows and a lot of times, you know, the flow, the way y'all flow, you know. It's not boring, it's not, everything is, you know, you anticipating the weight, you know what I mean? But it's a build up. It's a build up. And I just enjoyed, like I said, just sent back relaxin' and lookin' at the progress from the last time I seen y'all to now. You can see. And like I said, all the, wasn't none of the same jokes. It was straight up just a whole different show. Give me a whole new flavor. A whole new flavor.  I like a lot of old comedians. I really don't watch any of the comedians like the new ones. Like what old? Like who? None of them. No, like what old comedians? The old, Rudy Ray Moore, Richard Pryor, Red Fox, Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Them kind of Robin Harris. Yeah, them. Which is your favorite out of all of them? Burning Man. You just had to, why are you trying to tell him? I'm about to say that, Burning Man. Burning Man. That nigga used to talk to you. What's your favorite joke? Burning Man, The Motherfucker Joke.  The Motherfucker Joke. Tell me one. Tell me one. No, it's just, I can't, I can't say that joke. It's just that joke, just.  What's his name? I forgot the name. No, I'm talking about the one that was on the show with y'all. The one that was up for you.  He kept saying the hell, that's what I tell you. He keeps saying it. That ain't from The Motherfucker, man. Yeah. That joke, it can't be duplicated in the crazy part about it. He did it right there on the spot. Just off the dome. Last night, I did a few off the dome people talking to me. Like when I told nigga, I said, I can't tell you that ain't supposed to be up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Just off the dome. Yeah, it ain't supposed to be up here nigga. That was hard, that was hard. Sometimes I prefer those off the dome jokes better than some of the scripted ones. Because I can tell which one, because this other guy who was up there, he did that because somebody's phone started ringing or something like that. He started making a joke on them. But then when it was time for him to come back and go back to his other joke that he already started, he forgot where he stopped. But then the crowd helped him out exactly. But I like that. How hard is it when you go into a room and there ain't many people out there that you doing the show for? And you have to keep that momentum up and that keep your build up up, you know what I mean? You better be ready. Like I tell them. I tell niggas every show, it's a junk out there. I say, for one, they ain't come to see us. They come to see bubble dubs. No niggas ain't scared to tell you that. We ain't come to see, we can't see dubs. They did that night. And before I went on stage, so I'm like, God. They did before they were... Yeah, they did. So I'm like, I did be swinging and fighting the night. Oh, you kids? Wasn't you the next person out there? I'm like, the niggas gonna fight hard, but I gotta fight there every night to prove my love right this motherfucker, man.  The niggas that said, I'm glad you went up to that nigga. I ain't gonna even say that, but you had to been there to see it. Yeah, it definitely was a, it was, it was dope. It was live. I enjoyed it. I know, when I see you go up, I'm excited. Oh yeah. Because I know the whole, you know... You knew about that time? Yeah, no, I just know the history. No, I just know the history. I'm watching the progress, you know what I'm saying?   So I know you with practice and we're going all the time, you just gonna get belt and belted like wine with time. But not only that, is it all of the other people who be on the show don't always be on the show, but you're that one staple that always go everywhere with him. He interchanged with everybody else, but you're always there. Exactly, that's a blessing too. That's a big blessing, man. Like I said, and he saw another day trash, man. What did you say the first time you heard him come up with trash? Like, where was you at and what was you thinking? Man, it was a pandemic. I was with Junior, we was making clothes.  I said, who is that? He said nigga named Bubba, I said, let me see you got that phone. Nigga said, trash.  I gotta work with this nigga. He's gonna do something.  Wow, that's crazy. Like I said, it'd be tough. Got that record skis holding the damn phone, trying not to laugh at the nigga, man. Yeah, yeah. I gotta do one with him. It'd be tough, not to laugh, man.  You've been turning up on the skis here lately. You've been doing a lot more. I just gotta keep up with you. I've been watching your page, like, I would see, I said, man, he gonna, are you gonna look at something and give your analysis?  Oh, yeah. I've been watching you. I say, he finding his way in this world. I gotta care to right now, I'm really doing called a Hoochamane James. Okay. I got that one right there. He been really turning up. You know, he was born here in Dallas, Texas. So I keep everything, play, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You and me, and keep it Texas style with Hoochamane. Wow. That's crazy, man. Like I said, I remember him, he was in some shorts. Yeah, doing a little bit of shorts. I remember them, with them boots. Yeah, Hoochamane. For the cowboy boots or something. Yeah, he had a boot in the joint though. Right. Hoochamane got a whole new one. He got a whole new one, something like that. And that wig and the- And the rings and everything. Yeah. Man, I like it, man. Like I said, you one of them guys that people gotta look out for. How many times do you think a person should post weekly or daily when he dealing with being a comedian? Or content creator. That's not rude.   How hard is that being? Or is that easier? I wouldn't say that's the hard part. The hard part just being consistent. Cause so much is going on.  That's the main part, cause you can post a good skit today and do numbers and you think you can take a day off. Another thing if you're gonna come up and do the same thing. Like you gotta get your spot back. Yeah. Cause like I just keep going. I ain't got no formula. I just keep going and just keep doing it. So I'm gonna hit, some gonna pop. So I'm gonna hit like fishing. Yeah. Some gonna pop. Just keep throwing that thing out there. All the fishing bait, yeah. Just keep going, keep working it. Being a comedian, how important is it to keep your mental space a certain? You gotta have that right. Right.  Me and your girl then just black out. I done did it before. Play it off. What happened? I haven't even bought them one.  But the cry, I didn't know.  Shit. Were you having a bad day or something before? I ain't got a bad day. I wasn't really, really, really what I needed to be. Okay.  They ain't no excuse though, but I went up there and went blank.  I cut my sitting hair.   I ain't playing. I notice you don't do any military jokes. I really don't want to talk about that. I got a whole goddamn book on that though. I know you do. That's why I'm like. I went on to like the big special. I could just talk about that. Okay. Do that really for the military. The USO stuff. I like that. Just really get them that. Just let the weirds see who I am and then show them the military side. Who have you seen outside of Bubba Dog that really have impressed you when it come down and come in on night where y'all went out and you just happen to be on the same card with them? It don't have to be somebody big and be somebody who just doesn't say anybody. It could be somebody big or somebody whatever. That's a good question right there. Shit. With a lot of stages. I know. With a lot of people. I'm glad you laughing like crazy. I'd say that guy from, I forgot the nigga name. He in Jackson though. With glasses. Oh yeah, you can see him. I can't see him but I can't think of his name. He was funny. Funny as hell. He had hosted Chuckles down there for his injection. Okay. Real funny guy. Real funny. Yeah, he's funny. And he ain't rolling.  You don't. He had good engine from the start to the finish of the show. Really? He kept that thing going how it started. That's how that thing. And I value what you saying because I know you see this in and all day light out. That nigga name Marco. Marco? I think. He wear glasses, got a little goatee. Ball hit it.   Got a look. Mine going blank right now. For real. No, because I, for some reason I always feel like, okay, because not all comedians hosts, but some comedians do host other people. And I feel like in order for you to, when you get to practicing hosting, it helps your comedy as well. Do you agree?   You gotta keep the crowd going. You gotta interact with everybody. You gotta know what you're doing. I got a story about that with Bubba Doug. He said, JB, we're gonna switch it up tonight. You ain't performing. You hosting. I had to host, I had to host a Laurel.  I did a good job. When you went out there, when you didn't know how you were gonna do it. That was your first time. What you say? Coming to the stage? Don't even say, we want Bubba Doug. I said, he coming.  Ain't no motherfucking guy right. Just kept it from there. Wow. You kept your jokes rolling in the middle of it. How many people did you bring up?  I bought five people up. Wow. And you made that thing happen. I made it work. What's the hardest city? Laurel was, I said, the hardest hosting. And I had hosted Memphis. We had did Chuckles. That's when that first gave me the chance. I was a cameraman. Yeah.  We're gonna let you host. And I hosted in Chuckles in Memphis. Wow. I went from there, yeah.  I seen everybody there from Yellow Bees, Bay Bay, who else was in there? It was a bunch of people in there. A lot of them, man. But those two stick out to me. It's just something else to see, you know, the city come out for you guys. I see when y'all went in TI, y'all. I see y'all with TL, you know what I'm saying? Who else? Just different play. Oh, Mike Yelps. Yeah, Mike Yelps. Like I see people, you know, y'all link up. You go into these different places. And it's a good thing that all you guys have great chemistry together. It is a difference between the comedians that were old, the older comedians that you just mentioned versus, because they were doing hour, two hour specials. Well, special, man. You remember that?  I don't remember watching, but I just remember listening to him on eight tracks. Yeah, yeah. My granddad and stuff like that. And that's the difference now. You 30 minutes maybe at tops. But the thing with bubble girl, he can do an hour and a half. Then he can go, okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm to the point that I can give you a good solid 45 to an hour. Wow. Yeah, so that's the crazy part about it. Having a good time.  I had a whole lot of more jokes to go. That's all I meant. Courtesy to the other comedians in Florida show. So I gotta cut it short, so. Yeah. Man, I love you guys, man. Like I said, I love you JB. I want you guys to keep killing it like y'all been doing, man. Top three comedians of all time, dead or alive. Top three. Number one. Number two. Ooh, number two. Richard Pry. Number three. Me. Wow, that's hard, man. I love it, man. So man, hey man, how can people get a whole day if they trying to rock out? You can Google me. Jarell Braswell, Big Brass, Comedian JB, The Real J Braswell, BDE boys, Team BDE. Y'all see what it is, man? Anytime y'all coming like Bubba Dub did when he came early and I was able to get it out, did you see when I put the post out just showing that y'all was gonna be at the improv? We appreciate that. If you guys, like when you guys come to town early or whatever, just stop through so I can get something out. So we can put it out there so people can know from our page. Even if you coming through town and doing a show, hit me up. We're gonna rock out at Boss Talk, you know what I'm saying? Cause that's what this for, man. People who really rock with us, man. You know God put us together, look how it happened. In no way and ever we could have wrote that out to happen the way it did. We could have messed that up. We could have. We could have messed that up.  That's right. It's over there.   We would think that I met you and Bubba Dub at two different times. Two different times. And two different places. And at the end of the day, we all still came right back together. And they're crazy. And the love you showed us when we got there. You said, man, that's Boss Talk, man. That's Boss Talk, man. That's Defoe too. That's right, man. He loves us, man.  I know.  That's right, man. That's what y'all talking about. That was so much love. Bleed the game when we noticed it. We talked about that. We got right to the rule and I said, you said I had told him you got the way in Boss Talk got in here. You told him that? Shit, you know. He ain't even done it. You ain't even got the way. Shit, man. Thank you so much, man. We love you, JB. Love y'all, too. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 know what a boss is talk. And we out.