theory and Mola and Ryan Kinnell and the critical drinker and everybody just keep bad into it here yeah and eventually you're starring yeah welcome to the stream guys how you doing we're here with two new gentlemen I hope you guys are excited and we're gonna talk about Star Trek today so sweet lot lot to discuss a lot to discuss but uh yeah the gentlemen gentlemen to my I guess would be my right for you guys is critical drinker and then we got of course Ryan what's up returning hello Ryan hello Mola yeah nice to meet you too I'm seeing you around you know it's been a while since I've been on with Mola you know oh yeah you're a misogynist I heard you know I typically I just let my work speak for itself I don't make videos calling myself one but you know props to you though it really is like that whole meme of like first time it's like collecting fucking Pokemon like I just got blast toys like oh cool cool cool we've had that for a while but that's that's great yeah I know I was telling Mola last night he's like he's like welcome to the club yeah yeah basically the entrance I was like oh nice the club's getting full though it's almost a capacity you know what I mean I guess I'm like away who isn't in the club like damn yeah well it kind of got to that point where it's like anyone who criticize Star Wars in any way is in the club and so that's a lot of people at this point yeah ever growing yeah yeah well we'll see what happens today we're gonna be talking about I honestly I don't even know what is going on in the news today there's no Star Wars real news so let's just well I don't think you guys have done a star grift since you know a big new movie was announced right oh yeah the next step oh man no movie we talked a little bit about this on open bar right shared our thoughts okay I mean cuz that's now what the headlines are right I mean you start off yeah the first 10 or 11 days of 2024 every headline was about Charmino Bay Chinoy about her comments about the movie as like people that didn't pay attention eight months prior when all the stuff was out there anyway and you finally saw some of the talking heads that aren't as engaged with entertainment pick it up and make it go viral yeah then Lucasfilm just happened to decide it was a perfect time to change the narrative change the headlines and announced hey guys aren't you excited for the Mandalorian and Grogu and Grogu sorry from from the same creative team that brought you Mandalorian season three here comes the Mando movie yeah what was you called grongo the Blandalorian and grongo at this point I mean who even cares but like yeah man it's correct me if I'm wrong big movie announcements like this are traditionally made it things like Star Wars Celebration because that's when they line up all their upcoming slate of releases and they could really build up the hype for it and get a good audience this really felt like quick you just get something on social media now like okay yeah yeah there's a Mandalorian movie coming okay sure that's that's totally believable what do you think about it you're more excited for that or the show excitement yeah exciting words okay so I'll be fair on this one right I am on the meta level just from the production side of things it's kind of interesting that they managed to get John Favreau back and that he's doing a movie and yeah we're in any other studio I would say well he's got a good chance of producing something halfway decent here within the context of Disney and the framework that they've created the environment they've created I don't think he's got any chance of producing anything good because I think this will be constrained by all of the usual rules that come with like making anything within the Disney umbrella you know it's gonna have loads of loads of nostalgia baiting it's gonna have loads of crappy humour that probably it doesn't need it's probably gonna have a strong female companion who's gonna be better than better than the mando everything and it's gonna kill it and on a purely conceptual creative level I am so fucking over these two characters I don't care about the Mandalorian I never cared about Grongoo so I'm just gonna go with Muller's name for it now I love it yeah man he was just there's some merchandise that's all he was he's not a character in the normal sense because he doesn't have a personality and the Mandalorian is is done like his character arcs done and he never had much for personality to begin with and I don't even think that a movie is a good setting for him you know he was at his best and this is why season one of the Mandalorian did as well as it doing episodic adventures relatively small low-level self-contained stuff but they finally got their hands on something that was successful and pleased the fans and so they tried to ramp it up and expand it and create this big overarching story that just wasn't supported by the the structure of the show and they're just going to take that to the nth degree with a movie they're going to try and make it big and epic and there's going to be like massive confrontations probably with Thrawn or someone else and it's just it's it's just too much um it's not going to work so yeah that's my extremely long-winded answer to say no I'm not that excited about it let me let me ask something if you were to go and like let's say they were like called you up what would you do to fix it what would you do to write the story like hey here's freaking 20 million we want you to do this story Mando movie for basically I would say no thank you I mean like off the top of my head somewhere cool like like what like where would you want it to go it would have it would have to be to get him back to being a bounty hunter to take on some bounty that that seems initially pretty easy on the surface and it leads them to like a bigger like organized crime ring or something that he has to take down this like a threat to like some local people like maybe make it to some kind of like seven samurai type thing I think there's there's plenty of western influences or sorry you know the western genre particularly that you could draw on with this kind of thing so I'm keep it low level keep making be a bounty hunter again make him be a badass again minimize grogu you kill grogu that's what you do that's how you fix it you kill grogu absolutely because he is kill that little bitch and then they're gonna kill that because he's most stupid like he's a what they have done to him is so retarded because he's overpowered as hell but only when they happen to need him to be he knows how to do this when he happens to know how to need to do this he understands everybody when he needs to understand he's a 50 year old baby who it's dumb it's stupid kill him kill the goblins I would want to kill him I would want the time to be serious I would want this to be a serious adventure and grogu just precludes the possibility of that because he's just there to do dumb goofy cutesy stuff and it just ruins it what's funny from my pov like having any thought about what kind of place we would take it I didn't even entertain grogu being in it I was like no that's not happening I was going to say like it would be cool maybe to enter a world where mando is now relatively well known and celebrated and then he takes on a project that he's overconfident with and not only like fails it miserably maybe loses a bit of his tech gets seriously wounded but also a lot of people die because he doesn't uphold his end of the exchange sort of thing and the movie's just about him being humbled a bit understanding that he's gone way too his his fucking life has been insane he went from being like a nobody bounty hunter to one of the most known and interesting characters in the world collecting items from all the most famous people in the world and just now that like he got over in his head and and he you know bring him down a bit have him go through something that's real difficult instead of fake difficult like where he's crouching and those people are shooting at him just all bouncing off and then someone comes in and says I got your buddy and then they work together that's sort of stuff like I'm bored at this point the light remember we got captured at the end of mando season three that meant nothing because they didn't strip him of his armor they just yeah left him to keep all of it and the grogo saved him in a robo suit I hated that dude that was literally like when what was it Iron Man or no Hulk was in the Hulk with the Hulk buster suit no not yeah yeah yeah I'm like can we just have him like you did in the trailers with actual Hulk like this is so stupid his why are you literally putting down his powers to put him in some mechanical machine when grogu could have probably like and then here's the other thing is that Yoda said for what do you say for 800 years have I trained Jedi when he was 900 so I mean he was a Jedi he was a Jedi master to 100 in so old continuity yeah so then I'm thinking like is grogu about to go through some like Pokemon evolution like into Charmander or something and within you know like the next few years or like what's the deal he was like there's no way he becomes a Jedi master in 50 years from that world 45 they've written they've written themselves into a corner for this character because his entire appeal is predicated on him being cute like he can't speak he just makes these little baby noises and he does goofy things the the moment you try and move him on which they desperately need to do you're right about that they would have to like take him to the next like evolutionary step make him a teenager start to yeah they won't do that though because then he would like immediately loses appeal he wouldn't be cute anymore and he would just be another like Yoda character Yoda light and they can't do anything with him so they're stuck with him this is why I would just get rid of him I would like either have him go off on another adventure or stick him in a fucking food blender or something just get rid of him they have a chance they they separate at the end of season two and you have Mando doing his shit for an X amount of time and then there's that time where he's in need of someone's help and it's like you need a Jedi and it's like oh let's go back and see Grogu and he's fucking grown up and it's a different idea at that point because you're like starting the show off with the baby is a choice but you know like the um wolf and cub stories sort of stuff like you usually have a a a kid that can develop have an arc bring a spark to the person like it's not like it's impossible with a baby but like they've they've run it dry there's nothing else they can do with Grogu and uh ended together they did it way too fast they went through this entire story arc way too fast they rushed through it the the first season the first season of Mandalorian should have been him doing different bounties and accomplishing different missions that you know the underbelly of the world here out in some desert planet here all all around the galaxy yeah all to get more best scar into assemble parts of his armor yeah that's what the whole thing should have been and throughout that you're getting those glimpses you're getting those flashbacks of him as a kid blah blah blah and then maybe by the end of Mando season one then you introduced this new element it's like what does he do season two could be about them and him trying to decide what to do you know rather than rushing through it like they did but then whatever happens at the end when you do hold the Mando season two and the whole journey is about getting him back to the Jedi and getting him back to Luke Skywalker you can't then erase that in one dog shit episode of Book of Boba Fett seven months later yeah you know what I mean that and that is why to me when you go back if you do a rewatch of Mando season two it's it literally means nothing it's just jangling keys a bunch of cameos Mando happens to run into every important person who's still living in the galaxy in a couple of week time period and the journey that they go on Mando's like giving up Grogu after getting attached to him it means nothing yeah so to me if you're going to do a movie I think you have to get rid of Grogu in some way I don't know how you do that but it should just be based on a bounty hunter doing bounty hunter things and you put him in a position of having to choose between some different moral thing hey I need to take care of these guys but what about those innocent people they might get affected pretty simple you've seen that done a million times but it needs to get back to that they did that with season two it was perfect the exit Grogu was with Luke okay he's gonna go be with Luke for like the next however long and then all of a sudden in Boba Fett oh shit he gets ubered back that's where you can 100 tell where the studio got involved and just said well we need him back yeah like he's literally the only piece of merch that sells now right we need to get him back in the show right and it's like dude what the like how was that two years honestly like that was a two-year gap that he was with Luke and it wasn't no it wasn't Favreau has been completely off the mark with everything when in terms of the timeline which is scary because him and Dave Floney are the ones constructing this timeline Dave Floney gives us typical like mush mouth answer well you know it really just depends on what you think it is you know we don't really have any lines dedicated or drawn in the timeline yet right yeah and where in whereas Favreau has said well it's somewhere between two years and zero years basically that he was actually with it is time we know that literally i i know i was really like season three just really shit the bed and it's like completely regressed the story i feel like season three should have been season two and then season two should have been season three like sure there's swap places because the way it ended in season two was perfect that was so dope but how you get my discreet but at least there was like so much story so i mean seeing what's been done with season three what does that make you feel for the movie uh that they're probably going to get back on track and they realize like okay this was a shit absolutely okay look at the time i've spoken to you that you believe the suit he was rushed and that the movie will have more prep but it was i think so i think so and i think that they're gonna be like okay you know however many cooks in the kitchen they had with three favreau was like look if i'm gonna be on this i want full control this is bullshit it took my story and you completely deformed it so here's the thing that i and i heard you know drink you said this too about them getting favreau back favreau was already on board with season four like he had already written all the season four scripts before the writer strike and it was during the strike that they apparently from some of the reports coming out that they decided to be like hey let's just go and do a movie so the idea that favreau was ever out of the door or anything it's just i think a lot of that is just bullshit um from people that are trying to spin a narrative um that he was always going to do mando season four yeah the question is what is this movie and that's something that i don't even know if lucas film understands yet is this movie i don't think season four you know rewritten as a movie is the one rumor that's out there that'd be like the worst of the worst is there's a rumor out there that they're going to do six episodes of season four and then they're going to release the movie as like episode seven and eight culminating in that that would be the worst thing that i don't think there's no way i think season four is going to be uh essentially now they're they're literally in the endgame so if you look at it like this how i see it is they're they started out here with all of the shows and now it's all converging into one thing so season four is like up here and they got to really propel this story to the the focal point the point of the whole thing so they have to do that with mando then they got to do it with isoka season two and then they got to do it with a felonies movie well skeleton crew or whatever oh fuck skeleton well is it is it how dare you is it all going to converge on thron then yes in felonies what i'm hoping not because look if thron is not really that big i was never that crazy about he's like okay he's smart and really intelligent but the way they've made him in the show with like not in the show he is fucking idiot and like not imposing at all like spock would shit on this guy easily and i feel like now that we have the whole peridia thing with what should we call it balan skull and mortis and all that and the father and this there is something that could be done there where we have an overarching villain like something who's even like at the top top beyond the force so that to me is like super interesting our cool we can get into that but with thron and then you know what are they going to do on dathomere who are they going to resurrect they got all these like zombies and shit okay cool fine but there's got to be a bigger plot to this and i think that resides on peridia with balan skull and eventually what i believe will happen there is shin hattie balan asoka and sabine end up coming together they form a team ezra sends a whale and they hop in the whale's mouth they go back to the galaxy that we're at okay you're killing me with this this is what i the thing is i think you're probably right as well but yeah this is what i think this is what there's no then how are they going to get out of there and then he's going to talk to the whales be like then send them there and then they're going to hop in the mouth probably asoka and anakin will have a scene together because now she's open to it and then they'll meet up all this time we've been looking at thron or what he's up to they probably won't even show luke for a bit and then in the end luke could show up hopefully get something with him and then that'll be the end of the show and then we have the mando movie which probably come out after i imagine season two what do you think no no no the mando see the mando movie is going to be the first thing to come out really like man the mando movie is going to come out before asoka season two at least in my opinion okay and then i think you're going to get asoka season two and then you're going to get dav felonis movie now if you there i think there is room for another season of mando lauren or something in there too at some point if they wanted to but there's got to be something else like screw skeleton crew it's irrelevant pretty much but there's got to be one more thing than just mando movie in asoka season two boba fat season two i thought maybe nobody's going to make him not a bitch make him dope make him make him freaking cool you could be like i don't want to rule the respect anyone i don't want to rule he hops in his freaking slave one no we're not calling it the fire spray it's a slave one he hops in there and he just jumps to freaking hyperspace says uh fennec you handle the planet whatever and he goes and does the and then he probably goes i don't like talking anymore yeah no ryan he probably meets up with omega okay no shut up that is the thing and again like it's probably some people obviously a lot of people here probably know but for these guys they probably don't even know who omega is because about 10 000 people watch the bad spam one if you know who omega is spam zero if you think she's intrigued like yeah but i was going to spam two if you don't know omega omega is a female clone who is seems to be force sensitive that appears in the bad batch series thanks to everybody well that's the thing like i think you can guarantee like if you were to take if yeah if you were to do a season two of book of boba fit if there is a female in the galaxy you can pair him up with they will do it they have to it's the rules now right what am i going to do though with a lot of the speculation and it's probably how they're designing stories it looks from why is it always character in place and then character in another place and then place and then character meets other characters barely ever talking about what we're going to put characters through or what characters will learn or where they'll go it's always like as it will go as people not where they'll go as literal locations like if someone sold me is like a soca season two we're going to see thrones going to end up on orison as it stands right now we're going to see luke is going to get involved with the planet that the soak is still i was like you still haven't sold me on anything you've just told me where the people are going what what are the characters doing yeah and i think for my my biggest listen the asoka series was already like the culmination of a bunch of things that i just hate i hate dav filoni storytelling i hate the character of asoka i hate it when they take things from the old expanded universe that they threw in the dumpster and repurpose and bastardize it and do a poorer version of it i hate all of it it was like the the combination of things that i hate the most so i already was probably not going to like it for a soca season two if they're doing mortis and there's been a lot of people speculated about abaloth and a lot of people that have had their luck and a lot of people i didn't even read the books right that are pretending like oh abaloth would be so you don't have any fucking idea what you're talking about you just read a wookapedia article but um if if they were to do that and then like a soca is leading all of this then it's just one more thing that they've taken away from luke skywalker luke skywalker's entire journey and faded the jedi you know learning about abaloth and finding out how to defeat her and going through this with his son ben skywalker it's just one more thing they'll rip from the legacy of luke skywalker and hand to a woman so uh it is what it is that woman of origin is a bastard i mean dare you hey because i mean theory you'll probably know more about this than i but i do get the impression that date feloni desperately wants to make a soca like the center of everything narrative wise is it right yeah it seems to have her just tied into every major event he's yeah she's so yeah she's been killed and reborn you know messiah like yeah and i don't know man i don't know if this character is interesting enough to support it oh that's the one who said so let's just watch the whole season derived around her you know but we she's like the only connection we have to honestly the only connection we have to george lucas like in terms of the original characters because he created her with dave in the clone war so it's like this character is kind of at this point what's that worth considering the sequels did with george's characters oh god nothing he hated them he hated those sequels okay it's it's i know people who literally know him and have like eat dinners with him and shit and that tells you he's very normal he hates them he talks about how he was he wanted to do episode seven so that disney would have to go into his script and continue on eight and nine and but he didn't he's like he regrets it this is what i hear so um i i think that for me when you look at the character of isoka even though i was not a fan of her in clone wars or whatever it was very clear and phelony has even talked about this the difference in opinion he and george had phelony i was always in the athoka lived camp it's no secret that george was in the athoka dives camp right he's been pretty upfront about that and i think there's a reason that george wanted her to die didn't want her to live through all this stuff yeah he wanted isoka and i don't agree with the path but i understand he wanted isoka to be but like show another reason why anakin skywalker was inherently distrustful of the jedi and the way that they ran things because of the way she exited the order because of her separation because he felt like betrayed by them so you can understand that building up to the reasons why anakin would be afraid or worried about what the jedi are and what they mean so it'd be more easy to manipulate with that being said when you decide to keep her alive through that when you decide to make her so important to everything when you make her like when you have her role in revenge of the sith like on mandalore what we got in clone war season seven i think that all of that is just too much it's way too much she's more important than she was ever meant to be and phelony will never ever kill her off he's never ever gonna like erase her he's just gonna keep on giving her more and more shit and it's actually died at the end of season two of isoka we'll be like well what are you doing i would i would throw a party are you kidding me it's not about being happy or sad it's about being confused as what davis up to if he killed he kind of died in the first one so but it's like dying is irrelevant at this point like she she's died three times well lightsaber is clearly don't kill people anymore so we can count them right asoka tano has died three times she died once in the mortis arc in clone wars she died in star wars rebels and was saved through time travel in the world between worlds by esra britcher and then she died again in the asoka series so i wouldn't be surprised if she died but you know she's gonna come back to life but that's the sticky situation i don't get it like so that she was saved now by the daughter which is the embodiment of the light and the daughter died but the daughter follows her around as an owl and so she like a god i guess all right but that's funny out of contact i mean yeah the daughter died to save her she follows her around as an owl being drinker very like disconnected from some of these plot points okay yeah i yeah there's some of that i don't really understand i'm like how how like but then does that mean she's like she can she just can't die at all ever or like was everything in her head where she saw anakin in the world between worlds was she actually there which is she you know it i'm i don't know they that world between worlds seen between her and anakin all that it i said it when it happened i said i think it's meant specifically to be completely ambiguous so they don't have to commit one way or the other and literally let the audience make up their own mind which is um well doesn't the kid hear the lightsabers yeah juuling so Kevin flies that it is happening his mom also is it as well yes his mom who is not force sensitive but that doesn't matter anymore for a second there i thought they were almost implying if you looked over the edge you'd see anakin and isoka fighting like wait what the fuck yeah yeah they're in the water but no the whole that whole sequence just seemed to be predicated on the idea of wouldn't it be cool if anakin came back and we could get hidden christians and back to replay his greatest hits yep that but honestly narratively that's all it seems to be because it adds nothing to asoka's character development apart from like her deciding that she wants to be alive instead of dead it's not exactly deep stuff no i think it i think it added a ton in the sense where he made her kind of decide that now she's being too much gloomy she's being way too gray and she got to like wake up a little bit like oh yeah i want to live and she realizes that i mean like there was no one else to do it other than him no i personally think that for that lesson to be taught 25 years after the fact is little little retarded but hey sometimes sometimes you know you you fall from grace and you gotta get a little wake-up call i guess see i would i would buy into the idea if we'd seen more of the conflict with her throughout the show but we got nothing she was just a plank of wood like there was sense of like an inner um darkness or her struggling between the the light and the dark or anything like that or um having lost her way there was nothing did you know if that well i'd have to take your word for it since i haven't seen them okay i'm just going on the movie's show season to set that up if that's going to be the major payoff of episode five episodes one through four should give us the context because the asoka that i see in this and as far as i understand in rebels and clone wars and stuff she was a much more interesting character here there's nothing if you just ask me to describe her personality based on what i see in this show i got nothing for you uh and so when you want to sit when you want to deliver a big emotional payoff like that a confrontation between her and anakin um about life and death and her like finding the strength to be reborn uh that's a great idea but you've got to give me some setup for it because i got nothing but it's also the topic we haven't really gone over yet uh theory because i think you'd probably write that as the best episode of right this year um no episode six was the best oh okay well uh for me episode that is five right where five is the anakin five is the anakin six was because of uh bailon and shin i thought that was really the most one of the most marvelous episodes i was just like that scene where he's standing with her and there's that music and he was like starting to talk about um the past and everything oh my gosh that was just like what i was watching with my uh my friends we were desperate for that scene to continue and it just cuts off yeah it just cuts yeah and and i'm like i'm it's cool the idea seven and eight will explain it no we don't even get anything with him in in seven or eight i think a lot of that just came down to Ray Stevenson being a really good actor who delivered fairly like generic lines extremely well like he has a way of mysterious things with presence yeah pretty much yeah and i can only imagine what was going through his head was like oh my god i've really got to sell this because i got nothing in all of our heads this is just firing off about what he could be referring to one of all means of where this could all go but they were you like you watch the scene for what it is there's barely anything that's just like and then nothing comes after and so that's why i'm really hoping that i almost feel like these shows are really like a uh what is the word epilogue epilogue before prologue is before prologue is before prologue is before so pro these are all like a prologue so season two is going to be hopefully more entertaining chapter one and season two gonna be one point one you know it was an interesting statement that you made earlier when you talked about them learning their lesson and having put more development time and thought into say the mandalorian movie as opposed to their tv shows and so on and i think to myself i'd love if that were true but my worry is that they've had almost 10 years to learn their lesson and they haven't based on what they've actually made so far and i just wonder like is now the time when they're going to turn everything around or can they even do they have that creative ability they can it's so easy man it's just freaking little bit of pr it's all i gotta do you just get kathleen kennedy honestly and she can read a freaking teleprompter and be like hi everyone we know that the fandom is quite divided we love every single one of you all the same we know we've made some mistakes that you haven't appreciated all in unison and we'd love to bring you all together so our next project is going to be blah blah blah blah whatever fucking ray so many reasons why i can reba they wouldn't have to know but but she'll never say that like no it's it'll be like you can't see a level of them oh you can't say that yeah it's true the star wars fandom is not for everyone and then according to obu on according i think as well and that's it's a good what you're describing there is a good way of i don't know trying to improve your perception of the studio but the problem with the brand now is that you've essentially killed off or really ruined all of your legacy characters that the the star wars brand was built on yep looks looks been trashed han solos dead yeah leia was a non-entity in the the sequels and carry fish was gone now um boba fit like a cool character pretty small but like you know people liked him he's now a bitch yeah exactly one of them said han solos dead so it was a very nice way to put what they did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah murder my point being like he you can't you can't redeem him now he's gone like that's it and oh cal rizian has sex with robots yep yeah and so i could go on and on i mean i would do if i was if i was on you freaking ship for that long maybe yeah my point being though like when you've done all of that it's going to be very difficult to then get people to like what you're going to produce going forwards because you've essentially undermined the foundation of your own building but it's it's not too late it's there is all you can always fix it no matter what if logan paul came back from his forest stunt i mean star wars can come back from you know it's not that difficult i don't know i don't know if it's going to come back from a ray movie no yeah it's not no and no but that's the thing they keep making shit decisions and that's the issue it's a timeline where they can come back but it's like one of 10 000 million billion timelines the way they don't but judging and i think the yeah it was literally dr straighter one but it doesn't happen yeah but i think as well the more shit things you make the more difficult that path to redemption becomes and i i'm just uh yep my my worry is like they are making more and more shit stuff and i just i don't see that path getting any easier you know what's funny is if you go back and you watch any of the first six films you will get a completely different tone to what star wars is it's amazing it's like you you're right back there like i don't think of any of the disney shit or anything like that when i watch the first six films because the tonality is just so different completely by a mile it's not even the same galaxy so it's we have those still so it's like you just have to go back to that and then from there create a new timeline where you just go on tangent with what that was created with what that created whereas now we're like you know and back to the future too and he's like we've somehow shifted and broken the timeline it's like we're now in this weird funky timeline where we could i'm holding a lego piece where we could go in some other like we could go back to it and they could create maybe man make a really cool palpatine movie honestly like a dope ass palpatine movie and talk about legends talk about don't talk about the sequels talk about plegis talk about the sith that came before plegis there's so much source material to choose from man i mean like old republic you could literally create the coolest new nine films if you wanted to with the old republic yeah it'd be awesome reality is if there is this one thing that they could do to to fix it at least the best thing they could possibly do it's one is going to five-year hiatus period like bottom line where they've done that basically with movies well i mean from any content they're putting out that's the first thing you do the second thing you do is planning right yes do your timelines all this stuff people need a break from it they need a break um from from this stuff coming out and then what you do is you say everything that happens since the disney takeover null and void i don't care if you like andor i don't care if you like mando i don't care if you like everything they've done null and void start from scratch from 2012 um it would it would be nice to think that like again like moeller said with the kathleen kennedy apology thing it's never ever going to happen certainly it's not going to happen that that's the only way you can actually heal all the bad things that have happened again i don't care if you like rebels i don't care whatever like you got a really cool i think i gotta stop with it even then like you're going to get like some of those people who are somehow fans of the disney era of star wars who are going to be absolutely infuriated by that and so again you've divided the fan base and that's what i mean it feels like essentially an unwinnable scenario right now and i don't know what your play would be we talked about this before like if you're going to not change anything or not you don't have this mythical erase where i can delete everything that's happened there's two options you go way in the future and you go way in the past exactly i would love i've been advocating since they took over that they should do old republic they should do Jedi Mandalorian wars they should do stuff like that there's so much storytelling available but they they have already in disney canon like once shortened that timeline up a lot and screwed with it a lot which they shouldn't have um so they've already destroyed a lot of opportunities there but you go 500 years in the future uh you don't say your word skywalker you don't say the word ray you don't say the word palpatine and you just tell stories in this in this universe i think as well what you can do is pull on nostalgia so they're too scared to do that i mean yeah and i think the other aspect that's always going to hold them back is the culture that now exists at lucas film and i hate to say it but like it's going to it's going to permeate every project that they produce going forwards whether it's set a thousand years in the past or a thousand years in the future it doesn't matter you're going to get the same people working on it and they're going to infuse it with the same garbage that's crippled star wars up until this point yeah it's the same woke bullshit that they're constantly shoving down our throats and it's just a time we need to focus on proper storytelling and not about who's telling the story or what their gender is i think that's really the first thing that we need to focus on and having a concrete timeline of where do these stories go i mean i really am so surprised with how the sequel trilogy turned out with it how it was so disjointed like how do you have one guy writing seven and then the other guy's already writing eight before seven finishes and they're not collaborating with each other whatsoever well at least from what i've heard seven changed by request of what the guy wanted for eight fucking request right so seven at the end was supposed for those who don't know it was supposed to have luke skywalker meditating like with massive boulders floating around and then ryan goes in there hey do you do me a solid bro can you make sure r2 is not in the ship and can you also make sure that um luke looks just in there yeah he's just in there to have rey be the one to meet luke everyone they have on all yeah so forced like no way it would fucking be rey should have been han solo it would be it would be chewy at r2 before it would be what the fuck why would have it be rey no han solo shouldn't have died you should just be like all right kid i'm gonna go see uh you know whatever whatever and then he goes and he flies in he's like like let me smooth it over before you go up there rey and then he goes in talks to him and that's it or like what about or even if fucking um han solo was dead okay leo would have gone along then to do this no she's busy doing general thing or how about how about we don't have luke run off like a little bitch and hide himself off from the force but crazy but there are things that you could use like even if you're sticking with that stupid idea there are things you could utilize like have have somebody go to get him but he's too late to save han and he comes back like and just misses he's just late to save han and han ends up dying and then you do see luke having to deal with like the guilt and seeing what he did the bad decision he made and then you do give him a lot of internal conflict even though he's this you know incredible powerful jedi master that's something interesting you could do with the character but they just cut his reaction to han's death yeah you're right yep excellently needed what i'm out yep just just got to a different scene because clear we need more slow motion space i remember people at the time being like not only do we already know he's gonna be sad so we don't need to see it it's actually an expert editing cut because they reference han is dead and we cut to kylo who killed him i was like what the fuck why how is that super that him being sad is superfluous information but else getting old visually that kylo killed han isn't it's like yeah i saw in the previous movie i was i i can i cannot imagine how frustrating it must have been to be mark hamill watching that movie and just seeing every single aspect of your character get removed yep that's how i know it's been covered ad nauseam so i won't go into all of it again but yeah it's just uh it's kind of sticking in when you think about it and man i can't think of a better hatchet job that anyone could have done odd looks guy work as a character as an element as all of us talking about potential futures is like we this isn't the only thing that disney is annihilating like we've got this blueprint that they are almost following with marvel here i think you're like less familiar with it but like all of the characters in marvel have been systematically fucking annihilated and that the notion does not look bright for marvel it looks even worse as like time goes on and if they're not fixing that is like they're gonna fix stars like probably not they're stupid i don't know why they they veer it away from the avengers that was like the biggest money making the machine that they had and it was entertaining as i loved it i loved watching the avengers and that's what i hope they do with star wars is not near like any avengers thing but with thanos okay you're focusing on what was the guy's name regal or racial ghoul no no that's that then begins no the dude with the purple oh ronan ronan yeah yeah we had ronan and he's like the big bad or whatever but even him like you know okay this guy's gonna get eliminated or you don't know what's gonna happen maybe he's gonna win you have an even bigger on top which is thanos and he's just chillin which was like kind of snoke right it was and that was i was like all right cool so we got this guy we got kylo random we got snoke just chillin kind of like the emperor who survived and like here superseded the emperor fucking nothing happened with him he got diced in two seconds and then turned into like a vat of clones just like the the snook clones provided endless entertainment for all of us like and they're all four sensitive like what like what it would be like a sad thing to do but kind of funny would be looking at all the theories at the time being like that was snokes trick once kylo to thank you dude that's what i thought i made that theory yeah it's it's like all those all that brainpower done to at the time make it better like it's dude i literally i was coping so hard at the time i'm like guys you don't understand like it's just poetry at rhymes it's like luke did the same thing on crate snoke did the same thing in the throne room he's off somewhere on a planet like plotting his next move for some shit for the next movie he's still around maybe him and luke are going to fight in the netherworld or something so did you go into rise of skywalker with still expectations and hopes that it was going to redeem the series did you think they can still pull it back but or are you giving up by that point no i was excited i was like okay palptine's back okay cool obviously so they're going to have luke fight him because luke's not dead he's probably so powerful that he can go in and out of the force and in and out of the netherworld and he's going to learn from yoda obi-wan anakin this is going to be amazing he's going to come back like at the last moment he's going to fight the emperor emperor's going to be full power i thought it was going to be sick no it was who needs luke skywalker when you are all the jedi well that was the thing and at the time i really liked it because of how they redeemed luke but redeemed him from destroying him and then i started thinking about it and especially when i i saw gary say he's like when the rose colored glasses come off you're going to realize and i was like then time started to pass and i'm like wait a second why am i happy with a shitty situation for it being less shitty than less shitty but it's still super shitty that's like being in a horrible relationship and it's like okay well today is maybe a bit of a better day that it's like no at least i didn't at least i didn't get hit today at least i didn't get yelled at or screamed at or told to die it's like well okay how about no let's just maybe reassess everything like how about we find a movie that's supposed to actually evolve luke skywalker's character from where he was in six which was beautifully done from the shitty farm boy we didn't know anything and had hopes and dreams into turning into this dope character in return of the jedi but no we regressed and then han solo as well regressed he was a hero turns into dead beat dad dead beat dad literally the same dude that's the biggest like sin of force awakens for me upon a lot is that they regressed han solo and reverted him back to the same exact weird words yeah basically that luke walked into the world during less less capable than he was before yeah and still like doing the same things getting in trouble with like the same group of people and you know abandon his family what's crazy and then you have to you obviously have to have that moment of ray showing him how to like manipulate his own spaceship that he's been flying since before she was born like this life as the compressor like everyone's got different lines for what like took them from sort of the good faith like they they've got this to the uh-oh because uh i think i remember when tfa when i saw han like that i was like this has this is there's a point to this like they're trying to talk about like how there are elements of him that have come back into frame because of difficulties he's had and that we're moving him somewhere and we're doing something with it but then you know like you you really focus really read into and you're like man they made him such a retard like the the fact that he owes everyone money he's got everything out all over the place he's super incompetent he's trying to steal he lost the falcon hasn't gotten it back and however long he's getting showed up by some random mechanic it's just like what's going on this isn't hard solo at all and then yeah because uh it was funny when i was talking about like what they did to luke being almost unprecedented i think it might have been gary or someone else at the time like years back on stream he was like no this is not unprecedented they did it to han first i was like oh shit yeah like it's definitely like uh earlier as a sort of clue what was going to happen in terms of how they were writing this and i think obi won i've talked about this a lot there's like a couple different lines of demarcation where some people have like fallen out with star wars and you know for for people for me the first time i developed that kind of like bitterness was in 2014 when they said hey legends is now over us now legends we're wiping the slate clean that was disappointing for me the upsetting whatever so i decided to go into force awakens and give it a shot even though i was you know not very happy at the time that was a disaster for me so that was kind of like my hopping off part last jedi was another one for a lot of people where you saw a big group you say i i can't do this anymore obi won kanobi that show was another big one like this big line where a lot of people they were still hopeful for something they saw what they did and they're like nah i can't have that mindset anymore after what i've seen them do to more characters i care about yeah i think uh because up until that point he'd been one of the last untouched characters like legacy characters where you could see you know they've ruined Han they've learned look all the rest but like obi won kanobi's fine like they haven't messed with him and then the show came along and then you realize they've got their claws into everyone now and there's they're not gonna stop there's no character that they won't humiliate and and destroy and it's just it's never going to end until they've they've just gone through the entire catalogue of star wars characters i know this would kind of be as well was i was like this is the similar sort of character assassination-y stuff but also just why is everything now looking so rushed together because at least the sequels they have that veneer of of lots of money was fucking pumped into this kanobi looks awkward a lot of the time it looks horrible i think it was bad direction i think i didn't know i have a much smaller budget than obi won yeah obi won's budget was probably around a hundred million or something 90 which is crazy numbers but like compared to like a lot of the other star wars shows is actually a lot less isn't it and or was what 250 and there was like two or two 50 but again you have to look at one cost per episode and how they're shooting them the reason they love that volume so much is because they can keep the cost down for shows like mandalorian and book of boba fed and obi won and or was filmed on location they built the whole set in the uk but and or was and or is basically twenty million dollars an episode i think when you break it down right and obi won can always about 15 million dollars per episode so per episode it looks it looks like about two million was spent per episode when i like it looks yeah like more say it looks cheap you're up to you completely but i just feel like that deal with super chat is it was a spotlight i just think it's funny to oh wait where what is that one i have it on full screen certainly me and ryan will be interested ah well if you don't get rid of mawler and ryan me and a handful of others will unsubscribe well ryan let's get going we'll start a big fuck yeah this guy here i'm free buddy i listen i'm i can only hear i actually didn't mention me wait no i you know i i i don't know i'll see you guys yeah all right welcome to the show everyone i hope you guys please subscribe but no you know what i'm the ukulele snack fuck it if you want to unsubscribe go ahead man be my guest um i ain't been to anybody this is my show this is my channel these are my friends and if you got a problem with it don't watch simple as that if you can't handle two or well four i can't count four dudes talking about stuff and star wars then you're very intolerant of anything that doesn't coincide or echo your own beliefs and views and i just i don't live with that i don't stand with that you gotta have different opinions and each one of us have different opinions but we're coming together and we're hanging out so i think uh let's i'll drink to that yeah all four of us i think i would have different pathways and stories to tell if we had control and everything you know are you gonna take a little drink i'll take a little drink i might as well all right what is that dildo or a gun it's a derringer you know it could be used to every one i suppose it's my next it's my next lightsaber it's my next lightsaber right speaking of which new saber dropping on theory sabers plug if you guys want to go check it out it's dropping in the next few days starting at 175 so taking a big hit on the cost but definitely want to give you guys more affordable stuff it's gonna be pretty dope theory um like because i feel like we've we've been awfully negative in this stream and i don't want to be like that now there has been some good stuff that's come out over the past few years it's been bothering me to drinker i know i can't handle this i want to inject a little bit of positivity into it like we most of us here i think enjoyed and or we appreciated that as a pretty well written star wars show most of you is that a direction that the star wars universe can head down something that's a bit more grounded a bit more serious a bit more thoughtful and you know contemplative and a little more disconnected from the grand scale of galactic you know it's ironic yeah considering where it's leading what you know is yes yeah but like it doesn't have to have the force it doesn't have to have jedi it doesn't have to have lightsabers in it necessarily it could be about regular people doing really heroic things this might not be huge in the like initially but it adds up to a massive drinker i'm willing to toss in some lightsabers some vader and some talking if it means the the show will be more get some more eyes on it well those things do get more eyes and people like you just want lightsabers in the four or something well that's star wars i'm not against it i just uh i want to make sure we get back on track for the substantive stuff in star wars it's not like lightsabers of what made me feel so much in the luke vader throne room scene like no but i like that they're there and i know what they're for and i understand they're part of the universe and so and they're cool you know if and all goes from being like it gets like times five the viewership if vader has three scenes a whole season it's like sure yeah over it yeah why not yeah no that'd be sick i mean you don't have to have lightsabers and everything uh but it definitely makes it more flashy more cool but also you know it becomes redundant too so at the same time you got to kind of pick and choose however with the thing with and or was that it was um the production value was the best of any star wars show we've had i think on par with mando season two probably maybe even better i think if we get tony gilroy like we've said many times tony gilroy sam witt were dave philoni and john fab wrote together maybe maybe take davin put them in a corner let those let the adults do the i knew that i knew that she was coming like all right here dave go play with the soca doll over there yeah yeah i i i think that they they should absolutely focus on more a little bit like disconnected storytelling as well i think in general right now people are very tired of shared universes yeah you know whether it comes like you see marvel like all these people that are building these different things so i think look at the underworld show that george lucas you know initially had plans for they even you to kind of repurpose some of those strips for things yeah that was supposed to be very much a you know little entries that were disconnected they're all taking place you know in the underworld or whatever coruscant but it wasn't necessarily supposed to connect in any major ways it was just interesting stories and i think that that would be a cool thing to go down i've said it before i think andor is probably the the most um i think it's the best thing they've done i do not like cassian andor as a character like just in general i don't really care about him or his motivation so it's tough for me to like watch that show and be invested in it but i would be totally down for more entries like andor in the star wars galaxy because it's the most competent thing they've done and i don't even think it's really close i definitely agree with your point there but i would like to see some disconnected stuff where it's just like standalone adventures in different parts of the galaxies it doesn't have to be tied into like the jedi and luke skywalker and everything because all of that betrays a lack of confidence in your storytelling you know none of this stuff can stand on its own merits it has to reference recognizable characters and like stuff that people can latch on to because without that it's not interesting enough no how about you just make better stuff stuff that is actually interesting but does have compelling characters it's set within the star wars universe but it doesn't have to hang on desperately to all these little life rafts to try and keep it afloat that would be that would be definitely the way you can move forward because it's it's a massively complex galaxy that you know and it's gone through enormous upheavals in the span of a few decades you've seen the rise and fall of the empire all the chaos that comes from that then you've seen the rise of the first order you can do lots of things within that framework that could be excellent that could be really fascinating stories showing it from different perspectives but they've just never done it would you be interested to know what happened with Mando season three because I have a subscriber that wants to hop on right now that spoke with John Favreau at a coffee shop and he says he has some really interesting information about what exactly happened that John told him so I think you're sure man yeah I think you should bring him on because I'm I haven't heard the story I've been waiting to do it live but finally I feel like this is a good time so I'm gonna send him the link and then he can tell us and we can continue on with everything because I did you find a thumb drive in the Lucasfilm parking lot no he ran into him at a coffee shop or something like that and he like literally asked him he was like why did it feel so different and he didn't tell me the the whole story yet because he wanted to come on and I'm like all right we'll bring you on one day man but his name's not Mike Zero is it it'd be no no but I'm curious to know what happened with that because I really don't think that that was all John's idea so you know do you have because you were kind of talking about your reaction to Rise of Skywalk and I kind of remember your first reaction where it seemed like you were fairly like positive about it I was happy I was happy you were like happy about it yeah do you think because you obviously do a lot of these like watch parties and like react with the chat and everything yeah yeah do you think that doing those live reactions while you're sitting there in front of like so many people that are like hyped about stuff you think that ever affects your feeling about something in the media aftermath no no like for me I've noticed that I can feel very differently about movies if I'm in a packed theater where a lot of people are hyped about something versus if I watch it by myself like my my interpretation of that can be a little bit different some kind of get carried away so I was I never do watch parties or anything like that so that's why I was wondering you ever felt that way yeah I would say in the past where I wasn't totally fucking delusional with where Star Wars was going and I thought it was still in very much like cahoots with George Lucas and I wasn't trying to create theories that would almost fix their poor writing to say in a nice way you know I'd say now I'm so I'm looking at bricks and screws situation you know I'm so much more candid now with everything I don't think it impacts too much I think with Rise of Skywalker I came out of that and I was so happy that Luke was in a sense redeemed like he grabbed the lightsaber he raised the X-Wing shit we wanted him to do well should he never should he even had to do because he was literally castrated in The Last Jedi but yeah I mean I I don't feel like it impacts me at all I'm pretty candid I'm like oh I don't like it I don't like it cancel me you can cancel it anyways so whatever makes no difference well yeah I wouldn't say like I would just wonder him because I'm not somebody that does those watch or watch along streams or whatever you should I think I think a lot of you I would watch it if you did it yeah I think I think it is and I respect you for doing it because it is difficult to give a good insightful like analysis of a film when it's off the cuff and you're just experiencing it for the first time because like for me generally I need a bit of time to go off and think about what worked and what didn't rather than try to react to it as I go I agree and definitely when I marinate on it for like maybe a couple weeks I'm definitely able to have a better consensus about how I felt over the film however I think people are pretty understanding of that so when I do like an initial immediate reaction it's like okay cool and then I'll come back to it and do a full review within a couple weeks and usually it's pretty much the same review it's just maybe not as perhaps emotional or a little more well thought out in a sense yeah like the movie that affected me more than anything else like that was 100% end game like driving back from the theater of end game the experience of watching end game the culmination of a decade of storytelling and so many people and watch it like opening day like crowd going wild like even though I was like finding problems with and had issues with some of the time travel or some of the character arcs it was still such a massively emotional experience for me yeah and then on the 20 minute drive I started thinking about everything and I'm like man well I mean it was cool but this was fucking stupid it's always the drive home where it starts especially if you got your buddies with you like because then you start talking about it like oh this thing didn't make sense that didn't make sense and usually it keeps out after five minutes but man sometimes it keeps going and you know you've watched a fucking stinker and that keeps once they started doing the time travelers like no like this yeah big super chat from I Love Jet Trooper we're gonna read your super chats later I think drinker you're only here for how much longer I've got a couple hours so okay cool you're chillin I've only got 15 minutes I'm unbounded sorry and Mahler's like I've only got negative eight minutes I should have gone eight minutes ago yeah so Vaughn Rum's gonna tell us real quick about what went down with John Favreau and yeah what's going on man hey guys how you doing what's up Vaughn Rum Mike's a row are you fucking serious no I'm just kidding so yeah no it was very fucking brief it wasn't he wasn't like sitting down or anything friends were out me and my friends were drinking and I needed to sober up because I was the designated driver and shit so I went down to a coffee shop hold on I just want to wait wait I just want to stop your story stop your story I should me and my me and my friends were out drinking and I needed to sober up because I was the D.D. that's what you said right just to clarify oh yeah I mean I sympathize with this situation so I respect the game I just want to make sure we all understood yeah was it really John Favreau or is it yeah no you're so John Favreau guys it's John Favreau guys it's John Favreau I might have been a homeless man I was dressed like Abraham Lincoln but what can you do you know this is the way it is hold on this tree it's John Favreau no no it was it was he was so I just I was waiting for my order and I looked over and you know I recognize them but I'm like I don't fucking talk to him I'm like oh I gotta ask him about fucking Star Wars because of all the shit that's going on but I'm like he's not gonna say a lot like he there's no way so I walked up to him and I was like okay I was like you know I had a question like so what was the reason why you know Grogu was taken away from Luke again just so suddenly was like you're gonna use him in the Ray movie or what and he kind of just like smirked at me he's like I you know I can't say anything about that like and but he's making this look at me like like yeah I think yeah obviously think that's gonna happen but so I asked him was like what what happened like I'm not saying this I told him I'm not in a negative way but what was the what was the reason for the changes between season two and three you know I noticed it was obviously about Din Djarne and it became more about bow and how they kind of just separated away from that and he said well in the first two seasons he's like we had a little bit more creative control um there were a few company changes that that I guess that really had an effect on our overall creative control on the story and when he told me that I was thinking to myself like well at that time I know Kathleen Kennedy and her like DEI story group were focused on something called children of blood and bone and usually you guys remember when Bavro and and there was like this weird rumor going around at Favro and Kathleen Kennedy had a problem with each other or there was some kind of tension there behind the scenes I think it was because they might have started messing with his story that he originally had for season three which makes sense because season three was very Kathleen Kennedy-esque and weird so I feel like so the way the way from my understanding at Lucasfilm is that any doesn't matter what kind of who you are you write a story you write a script everything has to go through a DEI check like it's literally like a filter that they have and from from my understanding that the reason why things keep happening the way they do is because they have that DEI stuff in place I mean obviously I think that's pretty self-explanatory we all kind of know that they have stuff like that but everything has to go through it so when he told me when he told me that those changes happened and it was around the time that by Chapec was gone and Bob Eiger came back in it made perfect sense as to why maybe Bob Eiger put Catherine Kennedy back on put Catherine Kennedy back on Star Wars duty instead of children children a blood and bone I think that's what it's called so he says obviously I can't say much but we we see we see we see all the criticisms and stuff we see everything we care we're just doing with what we can so I feel like I honestly feel like there's people that actually do work for Lucasfilm that really see all this stuff but obviously they're kind of probably shamed for even trying to say anything or do anything of course no I know for a fact that there's for a fact I know friends of mine that are very close to a lot of the these guys they there's a full like team there's like a room of people that look over all of the social media stuff of every one of us whether it be Instagram TikTok or whatever there's they're scanning everything's probably some of them watching the stream so they want to see what people are saying they want to see what's going on they want to see what the consensus is of everybody and you know who to blacklist who not to who to allow in and basically get reports they're all about data right what data reports so yeah I think it's I remember good just so I so what Farrow told you was basically that well you know there's been some changes at the company lately and I can't really go in anything but you know that might be wise so we hear you guys we hear your complaints that's what he said essentially yeah and then he also because I you know I asked him I told him like we feel like a lot of us it's it's like it's not we get labeled as all of these isms and ists you know and he's and you told me we're we're not yeah I told him straight up he's like we don't a lot of us don't fall in line with those words those names that people like to call it's just because we we criticize one or two or three characters or how it's written you know I really hope I told him like I really hope that this stuff doesn't really this this negative stuff that happens on social media or if there's anybody on the inside that kind of supports the opposite side of the fandom that kind of push it which theory you know it happens that we think we all hear no pretty yeah you know oh yeah it you know I don't want I told him like I don't want I don't want people at Lucasfilm thinking that we're some kind of fucking crazy ass fucking hateful people we just want the Star Wars that we all knew that we all grew up with that we carried for years you know like we talked about the other day on theory talks it's like you know there are yeah Star Wars is for everybody but there's no way in hell that you're not going to tell me that there's certain people that care about it more than others it's it's the truth and I'm not afraid to say that it's well for sure yeah I mean absolutely but that's kind of like the issue in today's world is you have like newcomers you know these young whipper snappers so to speak come in and they're kind of like yeah I know it better than you it's like what you just you just be talking about you just got here you just got here we've been here for decades right yeah doesn't make any sense yep but yeah well I don't know it is I don't know I feel like I don't know I feel like if there wasn't those because they have to operate in that bubble right like let's say you're the most creative person in the world they have to operate within those parameters of what they expect their scripts and their shows to look like so no matter how well you put something obviously it's not gonna it's gonna be watered down or changed like I know for a fact like I can I know for a fact that the reason why we never had Luke actually train Ray is probably because somewhere along the lines it became problematic that a man was teaching a woman what to do like that's how I feel like these people think a lot of these people think and we can't we can't get a cohesive story without it somehow offending somebody and it's fucking annoying I don't know yeah I don't know where it's I don't know about that but I I just don't I think the writing was shit and I don't think they probably knew Star Wars very well but yeah anyways amen thanks for popping on for a second telling us about that interaction yeah you having a good day yeah yeah it's all right yeah I just got home cool okay well maybe I'll catch you when we talk tonight man all right sounds good dude all right bro catch you later man thanks see you guys yeah if I'm if I'm looking at the state of Mandalorian season two and Bukaboba Fett and Mando season three if I was to be as charitable as possible everybody involved I think a one thing that you can look at what happened is the behind the scenes drama with Pedro Pascal where it sounded like he was ready to quit and that's why they kind of rushed out Bukaboba Fett and that might be why they brought Grogeru back so quick things like this just in case their lead star did in fact just say I'm up and out so they could replace him they could replace Mando with Bukatan they could replace him with Boba Fett they could have all these other characters like if I'm being as generous as possible and like trying to be like I understand why you might have made some of these decisions even though they're fucking really stupid that's one thing that I can look at and like have some understanding for as to why maybe some of things went down that way that to me makes a lot of sense compared to like some of the other speculation out there because that that shit did happen like the Pedro Pascal getting very upset like nearly quitting the show did happen I assumed it like halted production on season three of Mando that's why it's so disjointed and fucked up that the the pro till episodes of that season in a different season being the reclamation of a new ship and the reestablishing him progo that is obviously something that should have been in his own show not in Boba Fett oh shit Commander Shepard says I met Dave Filoni at a restroom invite me I can imagine what you were doing with Dave Filoni in a men's restroom what were you doing with him in the restroom was he still wearing his cowboy hat I hope so he was like call me George call me George oh Jesus Dave Filoni oh no um I've only got a little bit left but I did have one question theory I know you made a video about the rumored what if Star Wars series oh yeah and I've seen a lot of people that are like you know oh we don't need that or whatever the truth is like we don't we had what if Star Wars comics and stories for you know from decades ago yeah Star Wars infinities you had you know what if Luke hadn't destroyed the Death Star what would a new hope look like like those stories were told and they were very interesting and intriguing and I don't have any problem with telling those stories as long as you're delineating clearly to everybody that they're not in continuity and I think those things could be cool well now with the people that are in charge of stories at Lucasfilm I don't have any faith in them but the principle of it I think could be cool no I Molly and I were discussing this earlier like you know what if Anakin had defeated Adobe one on Mustafar or something like that like okay great like this is interesting stuff like what they'll probably do is like what if Rey was even more awesome than she was in the movies like that that's the level of thinking that's going to be involved in stuff but what if Padme was Jedi what if Padme was Force sensitive yeah yeah yes what if every female character had the force oh wait we already have that what if Rose Tico was the bestest Jedi ever instead of Rey like what if Leia destroyed the Death Star and so I hoped that they take a maybe some inspiration from the fan fictions that I've done and because that's it's honestly what I've done is what a lot of the fans want to see including myself so it's like what if Qui-Gon didn't die dude it'd be so cool the fundamental problem I think that they have now is and it's probably the same for everyone is I just almost cringe with fear whenever they announce a new project because it's not like I just don't think there's anything they could announce that would get me excited and think like oh brilliant this is gold this is going to be a awesome film or an awesome TV show or whatever it's more a case of oh god what are they going to fucking ruin next this reminds me of when people like it's Dr. Doom will save the MCU or Galactus bring them in and we can make this happen make this happen make this and the same thing that'll happen to them is what happened to Thrawn years of people wanting Thrawn to come in the live action finally get him and he's a retard oh god damn it yeah your yeah your fundamental problem is not the characters that you have at your disposal or the ones that you've chosen to use thus far your problem is the people who are working with them now the show runners the writers those are the people that you're going to have to change out and I don't think they will I don't think they've got they've got it in them to make such a massive change of corporate culture yeah I mean to be honest like Ahsoka kind of is a what if series what if Ahsoka was the most important character in Star Wars what if Sabine in addition to being like a technological technological technological genius and Amanda Lorian what if she could also use the force in the same vein we are getting those what ifs those are if those are it is happening if you said to uh to them like it would be really cool to do a what if of like what if Obi-Wan got involved in some kind of mission between the prequeler and the OTR and they'd be like we did do that and you're like I don't know what the hell you did but like we do it properly it would be nice you know it'd be nice if we get back on track here but it and I feel like it was it sucks because like I feel like with season one and two of Mando and there was like that was a huge hype time for Star Wars everyone was happy and then it just kind of changed with Boba Fett I love that noise you made there more I go I go like everyone is happy it's like I made the head I made the head noise I will I made the head noise and he made it noise in the my community will be really upset with me I feel like you just sat there when they said that season one you said well no you you said the the other day you said the R word and like how dare you allow him to say something like this you know that just tells me everything I need to know about you I'm like what it's our word like I dude we're reclaiming it over that we outright got in serious trouble for being hypocritical of season but that well whatever I mean yeah we talk about it all day but I I liked season one I liked season two sure it could have been better but no I think it was great but I'll say what I will say is this if they had announced a Mandalorian and Grogu movie right after season two I think there would have been a decent amount of hype surrounding it I I think on that first FNT after the Mando season two season finale I said this all feels like Force Awakens to me because I didn't like Force Awakens I didn't like season two but then the way people were acting and the hype that people had the nostalgia it felt like it was all gonna come crumbly now at some point I feel like we've kind of seen that a little bit with now the way people feel about it so the reality is this announcement I think it's very it had the effect on the news cycle that they were hoping for because now every article is about this but I don't know if it got I don't know if it generated a ton of excitement from people the way they were probably hoping or the way it would have two years ago no definitely not not after season three season three shot the bed was Luke Eric to Ollie of Matt are you asking me this question I'm asking you that question I here's my problem I feel like Luke Skywalker but I can get over the bad like you know CGI dead eyes face all right for me I believe Luke Skywalker the first thing it would have said is like some acknowledgement of like everyone else there in terms of are you okay like what's happening here why is there an imperial moth what is this entire thing like what's the empire doing here getting to the bottom of some of these things instead of just like I'm here for the baby and fucking like to me that was not like what Luke Skywalker would have done so I was very yeah I took it as a lot of it was like we have to keep his dialogue to an absolute minimum because because he has expensive is yeah exactly I kind of took it as like okay he just kind of has everything under control like when he walked into Jabba's palace he doesn't give a shit he doesn't care who this guy is it doesn't matter he's already defeated the emperor if he says gonna be a big problem he's gonna take care of it but for right now his sole focus is to train the child and that's like all he cares about because that's where the future of the Jedi are and without that you know he's not going to spend his time trying to like we just walk up and stab Mockety but do you feel like that takes but do you feel like that takes away a little bit of like the heart and soul of Luke Skywalker who is like this truly like caring individual who cares about people's well-being like to me look like Luke Skywalker would a hundred percent make sure that they were okay and like ask them like questions and stuff for sure so that's why that whole he's very strange to me also uniquely poised to be like wait oh this guy like is this what's going on with the empire because like he he would have big reason among a lot of characters to be like will not let the empire rise again so what the fuck is this what are these like what was the army of robots where'd that come from how'd they make that do I do love this this notion that he shows up and fucking kills everyone and then goes so what's actually happening here is like when you just killed our army of babysitters they were supposed to protect this child the real threats coming through it's like no yeah I don't know I kind of took it as like maybe he can I mean the thing with Anakin was that he could literally see into the force like he could see situations as to why things are happening so maybe Luke was having the same sort of the thing with me dude is like I literally will fill in the gaps in my head because I feel like I know the character so well and I think that's that's part of the problem I think because the explanations you give are way more intelligent than anything the actual writers of the shows would give they've been coasting on that so much more the whole fandom they they're like they're like they're like how are we going to explain this yeah Star Wars theory we'll figure it out for us it's all right because what you got with things like Luke coming back at season two finale is very much in line with Anakin coming back in a so-cut it's not as egregious as that but it's the same mentality behind it of this is a character that everyone loves that's really recognizable yeah let's bring him back for this finale because it gives it a real impactful moment the point how does he get there how does he know what's going on ah just don't worry so much about that like though people get so swept up in the emotion of the moment that it won't really matter yeah and I know I know I know and it worked especially after last Jedi you know it was amazing to see that yeah and I think that played into it a great deal yeah the best of Star Wars doesn't require theories to like and enjoy it you know we don't have a like you know the throne room scene is not explained by theory going by watching enamored with the history that came before yeah and I just like we're so far away from anything close to that that it's like outright sad that and I'm not saying it's sad to do it it's sad that we all have to do it like we all have to be like well maybe this this this maybe this this maybe when they said the incredibly stupid thing they meant this thing that's less stupid well that's you know well welcome to my channel is kind of just like like you know I don't want to say fixing Star Wars but kind of like filling in the well theory Star Wars theory it's the theory of like disjointed plot points that don't really make sense and me trying to cope I guess essentially there you go yeah it's like you know what if Vader had never actually told Luke that he's his father so we'd be like well what if that little look he gave there I mean that could have made maybe it means Vader's actually his father like you don't need that to enjoy Empire Strikes Back no you don't and but you know I'm sure at the time there were probably many different theories that's like who's the emperor like what does he do but you know obviously that was on YouTube at the time but I mean now it's it's like okay as we progress in this story you know back then it was like the emperor was just like one episode kind of thing you just saw him in in empire and that was it but then you have like episode one through six then you bring in Snoke so obviously this guy is now going to be extremely questioned because of who came before him so you're gonna have all these different theories and stuff like that and it's gonna like just basically it could even mislead the fan base in a crazy sense because people will like certain theories more than the actual product the more the actual answer in the case of Snoke I mean freaking the stupidest one I saw was Snoke is Mace Windu that one makes me even that one makes even more sense than him dying like my favorite one I think it was a troll but my favorite one was the Snoke is the old lady from the archives and global jocasta new jocasta new yeah I didn't hear that one because of his robe kind of the rope crushed he did yeah my favorite one by far is that because of the scar on his face that Snoke was the storm trooper that bumped his head in a new hope when they're in the death star that's my favorite stoked happy amazing if it's true that one's good also us could be Soar's Bandeem the kid that died at Anakin's hand like to be fair any of these theories would have been better than what we got so nothing which is he's nothing he was a test tube baby so I think at this point it's it's like to be a fan of it and to try to pull goodness out of what they've produced in the past 10 years it's like just sifting through the rubble of a bombed out building hoping that you're gonna find it it is it really feels like yeah that's what it feels not even hoping you're gonna find someone alive just hoping you find their body yeah maybe a body part maybe an arm oh a finger can we have like dead of flying do we find their teeth can we match this to dental records that's Larry's tattoo there on his arm I recognize that I found a wallet nice where's the body yeah but you know it's competence just comes down to who you're hiring and and you know I really fear for this new Rey movie I think it's gonna be abysmal to be honest I think it's gonna be horrible I think it's gonna be a whole bunch of pandering and agenda pushing and all this crap in there that's just like just focus on the goddamn story for once I think you're very well justified in saying that I don't think many people out there suggesting that this will be a success no I mean there's a there's a bunch you know that are but I wouldn't it would be hilarious if like if it happens like they took a Rey movie made by a feminist activist documentary maker and it turned out to be the best fucking Star Wars movie since Empire I would hope so somehow I would hope so I honestly I don't I don't pray for Star Wars' downfall I hope it's gonna be absolutely amazing because I want cool stories but fuck I don't see that happening man the the choreographer that they hired I heard has never even done choreography I think she was a stunt it's tough to call yourself a choreographer then no she's like no she's a sword master something she's like she's a stunt she's a stunt actor or something but she has never actually choreographed actors so you see Ryan from whatever it won't be a bad choreographer maybe I'm wrong you can have a done choreography that's true that is true 100% track record maybe steps you know what I'll say and then and then I gotta bounce is that regardless even if there's no identity politics involved if there's none of that stuff even if it doesn't like appear at all in the Ray movie the bottom line is that this is gonna be a story about Ray someone who's now usurped the name Skywalker Ray Palpatine who's usurped the name of Skywalker doing what Luke Skywalker should have done yeah rebuilding the new Jedi order so quite frankly if that is your approach if that's your starting point it could be the most woke free movie period and I don't know if people are going to be very receptive to it pisses me off so much dude make her a depressed hobo that everyone hates because they find out she's a Palpatine and the Palpatine destroyed the world and they they earn a reputation through actually interesting and difficult thing if you have to make a fucking Ray movie how about we don't though yeah again as we've said with so many of these other good ideas they would never ever do that to Ray she is Saint Ray of you to meet Ray of Skywalker I swear to god if they team Ray at Ahsoka up to take down like and Grogu the patriarchy and Grogu take down men yeah and Grogu like still can't speak so she doesn't have to listen to a man he just still has that robot that goes yes yes yes yeah literally yeah she's just a firm Ray at every point well maybe like like Grogu has grown up a little bit and become like a dude bro like Ken from the Barbie Bovee like he's I'm just Grogu yeah trying to be like hyper masculine yeah there you go no but with that being said guys I got a bounce I got some got some stuff going on today but thanks for having me on good chat about Star Wars thank you for coming on I'll see you at Megacon man there you go we'll see you in Orlando I'll see the guy right up here as well yeah we'll see you there also looking forward to hanging with you guys yeah hell yeah it's going to be a blast IRL talk to you guys later later any please and then there were three so then how many more are we going to lose welcome to open bar hey let's just let's just hijack it yeah the bars have your own show yeah every thursday oh it's just you two that's a well we have guests yeah yeah oh all right cool we're the two main hosts and then we have a talk mainly about any time great any time yeah no we did we think we show fest it's probably the next star wars thing that comes out will be the acolyte I would imagine so do we why do we have no dates what's the deal because they don't have any date they're like I mean I'm sure they do I'm sure it bodes really well for the quality of the product but when it does come out it'd be great to have you on like get your perspective on it anytime you want me on yeah let me know thanks man do you are you in orlando right now is this is this is this private information no what I think he's thinking can you not tell from his accent that he's not at all well I don't know maybe he's there's plenty of people from overseas that live in no no this will shock you but I am in Scotland right now but I am going to fly to Orlando for megacons so I will be there oh so your friends are jacks jacksepticeye he doesn't know that is I don't know the most famous man and and and oh shit is he is he Irish oh fuck me all right lost orders that's it let's just let's just end the stream right oh fuck okay cool nice sick all right well let's start reading some super chats shall we Mahler why aren't you coming to Orlando I'll I'll do it eventually at some point I just I don't do meetups yet but probably gonna very tempted by all this talk yeah fun should be good is um have you been to megacon before drinker I know this is my first mega con apparently it's quite big though so I'm looking forward to it yeah yeah never been anybody here going to mega con in spam M oh fuck now I'm being called racist there we go well this is the I would be a misogynist and racist in the same week cool sweet the long awaited meeting has come at last the circle is not complete when I left you I was sober now I am and our season two is officially set to resume filming rewatch Rogue one I think we'll be getting more saw and delving into Galen or so do you guys like saw Herrera no fine much to say on me I would prefer um well I I would for a lot of the characters in it and but you know maybe they can make them really interesting by the time we get them to see I mean you do have far as would it go playing him fucking exceptional actors so hopefully we get yes for sure which at least one guest would defend Star Wars Hey Star Wars theory defended Star Wars I think I I think we I think we all want good star I don't think any of us hates will be the first six films drinker made us do an handle section defending Star Wars yeah I tried to lighten the mood there I want that on record as well I tried to like let me take the balance of this typically subscribe to the idea that like if we spent the entire if like 10 hours in a row being negative I wouldn't be like oh now we need positive like no fuck it if they're gonna keep putting out shit the responses will keep being shitty in terms of negative exactly it's like oh you're just negative about Star Wars now it's like no I'm just candid about the Star Wars that's being put out you don't see me being negative about the first six films we and nobody the difference when we did Andal coverage on EFAP it's not like anyone said like you need to bring on someone who hates Andal there yeah because you don't you don't have to you don't have to have every single perspective but anyway still I think all three of us are interested in the perspective of why would you adore the pre sequels but I mean this time goes on those perspectives getting lesser lesser available and them other than like I really loved no photography music the score since Phantom Manus turns 25 old this year do you think you will re-release they'll re-release in theaters oh that'd be cool love to see that I haven't seen it in theaters since I was a wee lad yeah in a while but really you haven't re-watched Phantom Manus in theaters oh in theaters in theaters yeah can you guys discuss your wish list of things you could fix through TV episodes to improve the story experience of the sequels example Luke's dark empire story arc and where he behaves out of character what like use TV shows to retroactively fix the sequel trilogy is that what they're asking that's quite an effort for something that I can't we just decanonize them and make I mean the event time travel they go back and they prevent the events of the sequel trilogy from happening Luke wakes up from a bad dream there you go let's have it on Alpha and control is alternate timeline but I want yeah I mean look you just have Luke have a run in with Snoke and the the empire or first order and they want to clone him and so he has to run off and cut himself off from the force so they can't GPS his ass that's if you're gonna if gonna have it tie into the shitty sequels and yeah I guess what else can you do tomorrow Phantom Manus PS1 video game comes out on PS4 and PS5 have you played the game no I didn't play that one so I don't want to make you guys in comfy oh oh but I would love a Star Wars movie with a chick in it and her being lame possibly gay as well most definitely gay you guys should watch Nerdonomous videos on the production of The Force Awakens he gives a lot of context for JJ's meddling channel is the guy who made the video debunking Star Wars saved in the edit excellent channel he has like full videos and you just get they're all amazingly edited I left a comment one of them being like please contact me I'd like to speak to you about Star Wars but uh about anything who are you who are you like a huge fan of like let's say like you really like the way they make their videos break stuff down my biggest influences would have been guy called Retrohoy all kinds of breakdown game reviews his video his review on Quake is like absolutely amazing then Toll Biscuit who fortunately dives right he was all about like integrity and erroneous held sort of analysis and wanting the consume when the companies providing you this shit were taking advantage of you and then I'll see you know for a funer aspect like red light media I'd be buy by and still enjoy but more so for their chemistry and the comedy got it and then there's there's a bunch of guys I didn't want to name these people because it sounds a bit awkward but you know that critical drinker guy is pretty cool like watching his stuff you know what is wrong with you more like I don't know why would you watch my stuff help well apparently I got to get you and Ryan off the show so I don't lose subscribers but a handful of subscribers tell them hey handful big deal I'm at the end of the episode that's it I'm getting rid of these toxic people and at the beginning of the next episode we have to go I'm just having one for a little bit and then I'm getting rid of yeah no you know I I'll talk with who I want you know it's if if people are gonna unsubscribe that's totally fun yeah I feel the same way yeah okay I'll go back down to a hundred thousand it to me makes no difference as long as I'm happy making content I make it was only a matter of time before all these guys came together I'm so glad for it keep it up thanks bro all in one show I don't think Disney could handle this much Star Wars representation really love it I'm really excited for the four animated projects absolute all Star Wars panel cheers that'd be cool if we had a panel like at a convention oh my god we're gonna be a mega con you did you buy your tickets yet tickets to make fun no I think it's it's kind of taken care of so oh shit you got media well I mean yeah I mean I'm going to it's like a an attempt like a guest I suppose yeah basically oh really yeah yeah so like I usually go to these things I'll have like a table and like go you know have things to sign and meet people what the fuck do a few panel events I didn't know this that's so cool no let's go yeah swing by we'll do stuff together yeah well I'll be there Saturday Sunday a good thing we didn't read that one I don't Ryan's hot step sister personally I prefer the alternate cut of the Force Awakens oh I think we have to investigate this one further Mandalorian movie will it be a Bokeh Tan movie? I don't think so I don't think so Disney can't kill Grogu he's the best-selling merchandise they've got if they kill him they have nothing just make him older I think I really think making him older would be really cool they want to do that I don't I just can't picture like a teenage Yoda I think they I can't be like they've packed the full Yoda where a bunch of our characters get into an unwinnable situation and the baby Yoda as known back in the day pulls out an amazing power that saves the day yeah you have choir you have slo-mo and you zoom into his cute face some people just like you know it's it's like a meme but when we're on streams with some of the some of the more some of the women in the in the spheres were in at whatever you bring up baby Yoda they'll like get giddy you're like that's it right there that's there must be some kind of weird hormones getting fired off in their brains when that happens but well unfortunately there's some guys who have that reaction that's like I say something but yeah yeah I think the bit where I just lost all hope was when he's running around that light fixture and like the guys were trying to like zap him with the oh god aww I'm just so pointy to stop and all you'll get is they'll be like no hopefully and he does a force thing and then they go yeah like aww yeah oh but too silly give me back Anakin killing children come on yeah and it can show us up it's like I missed one oops yeah but I think you know a teenage girl would be really cool give him a nose ring you know whatever go all out it would be like the ninja turtles and they're extremely successful what are they worth billions you know I think yeah people would love it or give him a brother you know oh he has a long lost brother somewhere he's old mando movie just John Wick but baby Yoda's the dog yeah kill him he's on a vengeance trip mando frozen in carbonite meets grogu a couple hundred years later oh shit okay that's not bad but then it's like how we're having to solve the problem of the making baby you're fucking yeah you can move everything around yeah but what's how how late's the rey movie after mando is that 20 years no more than that because it's 15 years after it's 45 years he's gonna be a hundred gonna be a hundred years old hold hey there did you see the clip of Grace Randolph talking about how to fix like those sorts of era of movies and who we should bring in and she says they should bring in Obi-Wan and then he thanks for what he thanks for a few seconds that goes oh he's dead wait no no no hold on wait she said what he said that we need to get some like cameos in you know we need to get some people in more famous people into these next projects and she suggests Obi-Wan Kenobi and then she's like away he's dead it is almost physically painful to listen to Grace Randolph talk not just for like the inane content of what she says but just how she says it as well like famous moments in all of star wars and she was like oh yeah he died I don't I don't I have to I don't know who that is I've heard of her a few times isn't she like a leaker or something essentially hated by like the entire internet her clips get shared every once in a while of her just saying something that's so fucking bad really who is she I don't even know what she looks like uh I think she's like an AI that went rogue but like not like a super advanced one like kind of a primitive one and she just spouts the most ridiculous nonsense he said Mario had a cat outfit to satisfy the Asian theories she's blonde I've never seen her it's strange man you're missing a treasure trove there yeah I've never never come across her is she on twitter I guess um the suicide squad theory suicide squad nope uh the original like the furt like the no the James Gunn one it's the one with Will Smith no the the one yourself with yeah okay well there's a giant starfish monster in it and he's crushing the populace of a like an island and she said when reviewing it that her complaint was it didn't crush enough white people that is the correct response too many people of color would crush to this should have been more white people getting well it was taking place in a central American country like like I said we cover every once a while we actually have a laugh riot she's the she's a yeah Wednesday if someone I I knew once they said white men had a good run I was like I was gonna be Ricky Gervais joke from last hosting of the Golden Globes reset we're gonna do an immemorial but it wasn't diverse enough they actually they actually said that in the movie didn't kill enough white people no no she said in a review of the movie who did Grace Randolph she's white yeah well she's saying it because it would be more balanced to have killed more white people oh my goodness oh she's one of those okay fine fair enough oh there you go that picture looks familiar could you have this alcoholic Scott Scotsman on the show I thought he's an Irishman and we just discussed that yeah apparently I would never you I can be I sorry I never would have seen in public with him or take a picture with him then make it my profile picture on social media maybe one day good signs I find it easier to imagine Anakin in the suit without the cape since the cape is what makes him look big but it would be easier for you guys to see Anakin in the suit without the cape would make no difference yeah I'm not really too bothered by that Grogu should have been killed by Vader during 66 I think we can all agree the Disney stuff broke canon with OG trilogy yeah yes it's a little bit forget Grogu Grogu can escape Reva what that she actually got stabbed as a kid yeah I think OP1 was probably the most egregious of all the TV shows for breaking canon that was just there's stuff in that that I just can't even rationalize in the context of the OT nope not at all how would you suggest watching Star Wars in which order to someone who never really watched it but only knows a few things about it I personally like four five six one release orders yeah I was gonna say like you know the movie that starts with one or like you know part one then with part two what do you mean check your skull pop full yeah yeah well that's how George wants you to watch it but he says you know they're gonna get two totally different experiences made a video on this a while ago that with one two three four five six when you get to the part where Luke is told that Vader is his father you get a totally different experience than if you were watching four five six one two three so yeah he was saying paraphrasing in four five six first you are essentially you're surprised and then in one two three four five six you're anticipating it like you're waiting like when is he going to tell him because you know so it's it's a different watching experience I think it would be fascinating though like if you could wipe your memory somehow and then just watch them in order to get the that completely different perspective on the story you know like what would it change your perception of what it is I don't know interesting to think about though yeah I don't know yeah chat which one would you guys prefer and while you're here six thousand of you make sure you hit the like button and uh show support I agree I'm over grogu I remember watching season three when he ran and jumped it looked bad and strange bad and cringe the baby sounds made me roll my eyes he could be he should be CGI if he's jumping does anyone to please normies um yeah I think there was a thing about practical versus right the the clip I always used to criticize it as an Ando season two I don't remember what he but grogu down in the ship when they find off the spiders and he's literally on like a motorized wheels he wiggles forward really awkwardly oh god it's like I remember that it is it's like they got the baby doll and they were like man this is so much easier cheaper and faster than doing CG right now just fucking do it and some guy was just like yeah I'll wind him up and let him go and record it that's good enough it's gonna be a quick shot and I think it's just traveled on throughout the seasons it's just like look I remember you know the one of the last shots of them in season three where they're walking through the cantina whatever building people we were laughing at it some people were comparing it favorably to team America like oh no oh that's fun it's fun walking like in team America it's like mother fucker team America supposed to be making fun of shit puppetry it's like literally skilled puppetry to look shitty why would I think I did give it I did give it some credit in the sense of I always assumed they were going for the aesthetic of something that was made in the era of the OT in which case you know there would be a lot of just puppetry and practical effects like it's like that fake feeling of it being a show that was contemporary with the OT because like money was clearly not an issue to them thinking obviously but like yeah it's whether or not it works is debatable again like it kind of looks ridiculous in a lot of cases but I think that was their intention behind it I just yeah I don't know how well it carries over I don't know either Mahler I watched the Nerdonomous video last week and found it very informative I also recommend his Star Wars apocrypha videos as they have good insight into what happened with the sequels and even make a camera wait shit I do that again yeah well it's so funny I'm practically recommending it to myself now but yes check out that video that's channel apparently I'm going to do the same because I was full of it yet that'd be cool a few weeks ago the doctor of God the director of Godzilla one tweeted he wanted to do a Star Wars movie what do you fellows think of Dave flying out the director of Godzilla and screening a movie with the whole look so yeah you know everyone my opinion on it and boys I don't know what you think but everyone wants to direct a Star Wars movie everybody in their grandma you know why wouldn't you want to put that on your resume but are you fit to direct a Star Wars movie are you fit to write a Star Wars movie that's what we need to be asking it's like you know of course everyone wants to do it with the um the rubble analogy from drinker I think the bombed out house I do kind of get to the point of if several people walk up to this rubble and say give me a few bricks and I can make something I think most of them might just bomb the bricks again but some of them might actually build a small house like oh okay and then we can give more to that person in a sense I guess what I'm saying is I think Star Wars has been so ravaged that I'm almost at the point of saying we pass it out to a bunch of people and see if we can find somebody yeah I would be curious to see what happened at that screening when they saw Godzilla and it was almost that weird realization of oh wait these are characters I don't I don't have personalities and go on journeys I would love to talk to like a felonie after we've seen that and ask him what yeah hope everyone imposes a train and force him with you I'll claim a bit sorry about that okay okay I was just if felonie watched somebody like minus what I would love to talk to him about the main character and how he perceives how that was written how the arc occurs and then talk to him about his own characters and be like why don't you try to replicate it at all with like what you did okay for example um because I'm sure he thinks he does but I'd love to understand him better because I just don't get in his work even though he can clearly recognize better works because one really great blueprint for a character arc yeah completely his own doubt I'm sorry okay the people at home heard me in theory yes they did they I was listening mama they need to get rid of that stupid naboo fighter ship two do we know I think I think it's dope at least the razor crest made you know what pissed me off but the razor crest was they did a limited release and it was like four five hundred bucks for the ship and I've ordered one from hasbro and then next week they blew it up oh well it makes even more collectible more collectible but like I guess so yeah I get it like if you're a bounty hunter you might need to transport your bounty back and like the naboo fighter's got no space I'm willing to give you the the movie fires an absolutely retarded choice outside of a cool factor the only thing is yeah well I mean just like bringing back Luke bringing back Anakin it's like another thing that we recognize absolutely those are cynical reasons for it the fucking it makes when you watch the first episode of Mandalorian e-things and you're like of course oh yeah he would have that oh that's how that works oh cool then the exchange of money the way the carbonite works you're like yeah yeah yeah and then when you get this you're like wait this doesn't fulfill any of the things you need Mando and it's like don't worry it's got a pod for Grogu need a little bit more than that mate let me ask some if they hit you up and they said free range you can do whatever you want you create one show one movie one game whatever what would you do one movie okay then I need to know if I'm allowed to decanonize anything I guess and not no you can just do whatever you can literally do what you want in terms of tough part where I could use the movie to do retcon or I could use the movie to stay away from everything they've ruined and started my own shit you know what I mean I'm not sure I would be very tempted to set it right after the sequels and basically undo everything the sequence did yeah you could do that that would be very or set it right before Force Awakens and release a toxic gas into the entire universe that makes everybody behave weird yeah that would make sense okay everyone's super high they need to get rid of the people hating on Filoni is wild he's not bad I like Filoni I mean yeah I mean I'll probably have to drop out fairly soon but yeah I think the perception really is like he's a bit of a hack who's totally overrated and he seems to have just gone into business for himself completely like he's got his like the stable of characters that he loves and he's just going to make them the center of everything and it just screams of narcissism a little bit and being a little bit selfish as a creative what would you have him do then resign or go back to I don't know go back to doing animated shows for kids yeah animated shows are amazing maybe that's that's where his strength lies and like that level of storytelling is like his limit and leave the more important stuff to serious filmmakers I suppose yeah it's kind of goes hand in hand with this super chat here theory seriously you gotta have stop treating Dave like he's George Lucas 2.0 because he isn't as long as KK is in charge nothing will change that so not even the issues don't even KK it's KK and Disney Bob all of them Robert all of them wipe them hailed if they're a big fan I agree that Star Wars has always been progressive with showing powerful women but it does lack women centered stories 90 percent of Star Wars movie show posters centers a white male to prove the point against yours yeah I don't think the problem is the gender I think the problem is good storytelling I mean I would say like with since Disney have taken over like all three of the main line movies have been female centric obviously with Ray you've got Jin Erso in Rogue One so that's four out of the past five movies that they've made have been female centric well they had a Hamas film walker yeah that was what it was that wasn't the film that made them stop making movies or anything it's fine you know you had to soak up but then you also had things like Obi-Wan Kenobi which is hypothetically about him but it's not really it's about Riva and Leia and so even the ones that are meant to be about men aren't really so you could kind of make the argument like I feel like they've addressed they've redressed the balance and a lot more over the past few years why don't we just take this kind of thinking further fuck men fuck women let's have a robot main character let's have a crazy alien main character sure yeah do it if that's the focus when really none of that matters compared to nailing a fucking story which is a big problem there yep I know it's too much about gender like fucking I don't know it's like nobody understands it cancel disney plus theory honald t is on send him a link no we're good right now man we're we're chilling we're vibing love honald I hope the fanbase doesn't show up for the ray movie we'll get a portion of it but uh I think gonna hang well of course of course they'll show up because they want to see how bad it is right so it doesn't matter and in terms of disney's eyes they're like well they're gonna be paying anyways a movie ticket it's a movie ticket you get the money I feel like myself and drinker and idrotic type audiences they're not going to go see this until we tell them all this is with the part of our channels like um responsibility at this point trying to save the bit of their fucking wallets from burning holes in it and um it'll mean a lot if ever we did recommend it but you know the likelihood is not high and a lot of people are gonna be waiting for our assessments of it the new meme across a lot of top comments and a lot of reviews nowadays is way more anticipate the reviews than the yep the entertainment factor in reviews is much higher much more consistent much more reliable right but down to earth no I'm I'm gonna see all of them so I can definitely have a review on it right away I want to like when I'm walking down to the theater I'm probably gonna be like well I mean I'll see it I might not necessarily go into a theater to see it but well you didn't oh I know I'll not know if myself bring a theory in Gary and everyone else recommended the newest Star Wars film fullheartedly there's still a huge portion of audience I didn't watch fucking it if you recommend it that's so much damage they've done yep yep I don't disagree they announced the movie to take the heat off of SOC's comments I'm excited for the Mando movie yeah it did seem pretty strategic I'm excited for the Mando movies and Ahsoka season 2 Criff, Eupheloni, and Ahsoka haters yeah, Criff you guys I genuinely I'd love to see an Ahsoka defender you know this was quality storytelling oh for sure she's gonna appear of course which girl are we gonna be in the Rey movie Drink, Mahler, Ryan did you guys watch the Ahsoka Jailbait video the one with Obi-Wan okay I was talking about the meme video that was funny these AI and shit to make people have the right to voice up KK agenda sequels Rey lead Rogue One Jin Urso lead Kenobi Riva Mando season 3 Bo-Katan Ahsoka everyone KK yeah true I know it's like plain insight Star Wars started and made an inclusion of nerds of it and made a fan base Disney strives for inclusion but they are trying to do that with something that has had that with tons of outsiders sad time no they're trying to do that with inclusion of their own political people right they're not trying to do that with everyone I swear to god like the the worst thing that ever happened to geek culture is that it went mainstream and it became cool and I could use that in quotation marks but like it became trendy to call yourself a geek and it just let in so many fucking idiots and tourism I hate it dude yeah and it's like if you come in and your first thought is I need to like alter this hobby or this fan base or whatever to make it more acceptable to me than you're you're not a fan you're just like Muller says you're a tourist or you're an activist and that's that's all you've become and like you get enough of them in a fan base and they just slowly but surely like hollow it out and destroy it and this is what's essentially happens everything because when you get stuff like this that then becomes designed to be catered to a mainstream audience everything just gets generic you know everything becomes like the most safe corporatized garbage imaginable you know it started with the Force Awakens but then it happened with Star Trek as well or it happened before that even you know when JJ Abrams took over they turned it into action adventure movies in space with a young cast of characters that just happened to have the Star Trek name and it bore no relation to the ethos of the show the previous movies any of the TV shows anything like that it was just wearing it like a skin suit and it just happened again and again and it won't stop that's the problem and on that cheerful note gentlemen I might have to bid you farewell because I'm kind of out of time this evening well thanks thanks for sharing your time with us man I appreciate it I hope we chat soon if not I'll see you at Megacon which is where you live not in Ireland no I'll live in Ireland man no but it's been a pleasure to come on tonight you know Moeller you know I have you know streamed once or twice before so that's nice and theory yeah it's great to be you know meet up with you publicly and do this you know it's been good fun so yeah hopefully I haven't like hopefully I haven't ruined your stream too much with all the negativity but yeah keep doing what you're doing man it's great to see you reaching out to like so many different people from you know different perspectives and so on so it's really good stuff no I respect all you guys so yeah thanks man thanks for your time all right now I will catch you guys later all right later it's cool you guys a panel I didn't know you could do that I thought it's all like vendors and stuff yeah yeah yeah I don't wanna see talk to him about it maybe find out more about it but I don't know anything about how this stuff works I always figured like if I went to one of these awesome to do it yeah awesome to be sick you should come just fly out and just wear a mask wear a helmet Filoni isn't bad why do y'all hate it's Disney Ryan I was unaware of you before Theories last show were on after to my surprise my best friend was subbed to you but he's dumber than a bag of hammers you bring the energy he does he Ryan's very emotional it's great he's very pissed off usually I was half expecting so could have an intense romance with Filoni's self insert character Trapperwolf Mahler how you doing for time coming up on two hours now I'll try and we'll see how far we get I'll try and get through the super chat we're at we have 164 we're at 2 27 pm and right now it's 359 pm so we have an hour and a half of super chats are unaccounted for well then let's give it a best shot I mean I can go through it for you if you like but you do thing now would be a good time for von rum to jump is oh weird there you say that yeah moral the story plot points and story elements that work for children's cartoon don't really work for live action space wheels and all that I don't like to put that too much there's a lot of kids made content that I consider that's like films old but kids just have a bit more respect than like they can throw space wheels and dumb shit into that but not into adult stuff make space wheels work in adult stuff all about context I think yeah yeah I guess so lando series to be basically solo two yeah what's up with the lando series I don't know is it still philosophy hit on that I don't know nothing could be good honestly Star Wars is done unless another company buys it well no I just gotta wake up just gotta wake up a little bit I've watched some of it I've watched all of it I specifically do I don't know why people think that like I'm not like one of these intolerant no it's not about intolerance like we disagree I think a bit on what happened in but it was just totally fine of us because I'm I'm totally capable of being able to see why you would think that okay for me I'm just like oh cool it's Anakin dope okay this and this this my thing is like literally I I literally I don't want to fix it but I come up with the theories and that's that's how I honestly can cope through it but it's just like whatever they do I'll shape shift and like maneuver and I'll be like I could figure out why they would do this because of this and this and this so let's write it this way whereas if I were to write it it would be completely different but I just essentially tried to fit in the holes that they couldn't explain so that's why for me things make sense but otherwise like if I were to write it originally no no way would I write it like that our reactions would have been at least somewhat different because to me it was like the end imminently if Star Wars was watching that I figured that this and the celebration of it the tape assumption that we just drop Anakin into it Rob Vader fine but we'll see more him going forward but not in a way that I want to see characterized substantive dropping him in hashing him it's my favorite grifters anyway how do you guys feel about the new Superman movie for James from James Gunn any hope or is DC Destin to always be low marvel hard to say with that one uh I can believe that gun is gonna put a hell of a lot of effort into the man job I don't know judging from his past work a lot of people would say like he's not a person who makes everybody at the same time I like to give artists a prior not done before we've gone plenty of great stuff from artists that are not familiar I think though if it's bad that is gonna annihilate the new deep canon gotta start off not even just but he needs to start off great yeah shining beacon of yeah Filoni has a life-size fully functional Ahsoka doll on his bedroom oh no oh no how do you know that George wanted Ahsoka to die what are his personalists well he said that p.s. Ryan's Filoni Impression stinks Jason from rebel force rated is a much better impression of him well he Dave Filoni literally said that as everyone knows that George wanted Ahsoka to die so he was personalist I just watched the fucking video I'm saying that I strongly recommend the Clone Wars does not hold up from sheave talks as someone who used to think the Clone Wars has some of the best Star Wars material this is a fair critical breakdown of the series I haven't seen it we're gonna go through it though we will the 2D hey y'all just graduate oh so I do and I'm leaving tomorrow by the way so I'm gonna be done for how long I don't know I don't have a return ticket yet I'm not sure how long I'll be gone for that's okay right yeah I mean I could always do streams on the road not a big deal yeah like even on my phone so good to see I've got two months of great podcasts to catch up on love seeing these crossovers awesome hey congrats man thanks for your service just want to say hi to the biggest Dave Filoni fan the great Ryan Kendall thank you Malik for the big super chat happy misogyny Monday that was the that was the other title for the podcast misogyny Monday misogyny Monday that should be a good one maybe next week might die down by then Red Dwarf has a character with a relationship with a robot but pretty yeah whatever Star Wars is not for the old white guys that grew up with it get over it Kathleen Kennedy reasoning yeah yeah what did uh what'd that woman say I'm not going to worry about what a white man has to say of a wrinkle of time or something oh Brie Lawson why did you say that wrinkle of time was terrible like yeah well you're white it's like literally literally I'm interested to see if Mahler's view on Ahsoka changes after he watches the Clone Wars I hated her like at the beginning then find myself liking her at the end it was surprising far as my way that is the feeling a lot of people had about her over um I'm going to say like forecast is not great considering there's a lot of people who I tend agree with a lot who not like the Clone Wars one guy I'd be curious to get on Star Wars episodes but um sure who friend of mine called very analytical and watched all of the most I don't know what kind of conversations we could talk but yeah not a fan of basically the whole show I'm down but maybe be better not a fan of the whole show more of it okay do a good Obi-Wan Anakin movie when the fans back they could just do an Anakin show where's the Clone Wars I said that once we got clipped and like we already have that in the Clone Wars yeah what is animated yeah no I I think I talked to you before about I've seen people try to clip you out for that it's so weird because it's like well it's Hayden Christensen there are other stories to explore in the Clone Wars but there's also just yeah you could adapt some of the animated ones into live action yeah whenever live action stuff into anime it's not to diminish animation and it's not to prop up live action it's just an alternative storytelling avenue perspective that's all with live action but you know I mean everybody who takes clips of me just completely takes them out of context all the time and then they run with it you said this well no why don't you actually refer to the clip no but you said it but I didn't no but you go watch the fucking clip the whole thing of dotted lines said like these guys won't like stowls even good like I liked Andor I don't understand dad for Andor all time that's yeah you can't hear stupid appreciate that you guys particularly mall or stay out of politics but I think without understanding the underlying culture and philosophy that has captured our institutions you will always and I guess we'll get part two and all of underestimate the way that these institutions have been captured and the coming generations of writers will be funneled into this world view of course they will we are the last generation that are I would say normal I was going to say like the when I do assessments of things my very best to judge it on its absolutely own merit however when we speculate about the future when we talk about new the when creative say since obviously it's all based about surrounding contexts yeah yeah it's it's impossible to separate every event of earth from every single thing a person thinks and feels about release I understand that but it finally comes out I'm like all right block everything out and just take it for what it is right because they had what is possible has been great results no it hasn't but you know everyone's got an opinion I suppose awesome to see some of your favorite youtubers talking about Star Wars together what's up Nino when I was a kid I remember staring at the cover of Battlefront 1 and thinking how dope it is and bad ass it's soft and it's for libs and little trolls what what what what the fuck that's fucking switched up man what it's soft and for libs and little trolls what the hell yeah I'm Battlefront fans on Suicide Watch right now I can't believe Star Wars think you're really drinking or collaborating is awesome which one you reached out to each other first why Mahler put us together yeah yeah