Okay, it's pretty risky giving me a gavel, but I'm going to call the July 12th meeting of the design review committee to order and let the members of the committee and the staff introduce themselves. I'm Eric Gilbertson, I'm vice chair of the committee. I'm Martha Smirsky. I'm a member. Benjamin Cheney. Member. Meredith Crandall. Staff. No, you need to review the procedures, correct? Yes. Yep. I'm going to do a little procedures review here because we do have some people attending remotely and I see a 279-6986 number, unmute and let me know who you are. To unmute when you're calling in on the phone, you want to do star six. Okay, I'm going to go forward, I guess, with my remote meeting procedures while we're waiting to hear from our 279 number. Hold on, let me get back to the screen. Yeah, 6986. Sorry, Jason. And I'm sorry, what did you say his last name was? No. If he does speak up, it helps with the meeting minutes. Okay. So sorry for the delay, folks. All right. So it shows my whole screen. Sorry about that. This is also for people who were watching via work media. So for this, goodness gracious. All right. I'm having all sorts of problems today. Let's try this again. I've been doing this for over a year and I've never had this many issues with sharing my little screen. It's the hybrid system. We had to come in and all did zoom and it didn't just fly. How did that get so big? Goodness. All right. We're not going to be able to do it as a presentation. We're just going to do this. Sorry, I'm slowing us down. So anybody watching from home, if you want to actually participate in the meeting, because you're hearing about an application that you're interested in, you can use the link that shows here. My mouse is not working. So link here. Or you can call into the meeting at 929. If you have any questions or comments, please use the chat function. If you have any questions, please use 056099 and use this meeting ID to log in. 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If the public is unable to access the meeting. And we find out about it because I'll be getting emails. That they can't get in and nothing I do gets them in, then we'll have to continue to the meeting to a time and place certain. I'll now hand this back over to the chair. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, chair. Thank you. Thank you, chair. Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? All second. And I will vote for it. So it's. Three to nothing unanimous approval of the agenda. The chair has no comments. Okay. And who is representing the installation of the poster on the side of the bill. Okay. And can you just explain exactly what you're doing? And do you have a presentation on the computer? I don't have a presentation. Okay. Application, but this is the state street poster. Right. That's what we're talking about. We have two applications. Oh, yes. So this is the state. 41 state street poster. What businesses at 41 states? Oh, that's the. The T shop, the North branch. T shop. Okay. And it's the wall facing the river that we're talking about. Okay. What we would like to do is install. A poster, like the one that's on the onion river outdoor building. The one that's done the three photographs by Elliott Berg. It's printed on a. Fabric, like a tie deck fabric. It's used for billboards. But what we want to do is install it's another image on that building. In the same style. I mean, the same, the same way, using the same material, the same methods. Would you like me to share screen? It'll be on zoom. And it'll be up there to share the application. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. The zoom image of us. And these are just representative pieces. Oh, well, that's the actual. What we did is we asked for proposals for. Installing art on buildings downtown. And we selected a couple of images. Or for doing this. And these, this is one of the. This is one of the applications that we approved. And so we would like to install that image on that building either in one of those two places. But they're both not going out. No, just one. Okay. Just one. Oh, just. Yeah, the one location or the other location. Okay. Do you have a preference as to which location you. I think the B location is more. It's a little bit more space. But I'm not. I'm not exactly sure if it's. I think it might be. Yeah, it might be a little bit more. It might be a foot difference in width. Is this rigid at all? What's that? Is it rigid at all? No, no, it's a fabric. It's like a Tyvek fabric. Okay. Not pulling fabric, but it's not put on anything. Well, it would be on a stretcher. Yeah. Two by four stretcher. Okay. And the. Anchors would go. See there's. There's information there, but the anchors would go into the mortar. And that would hold. The structures away from the building. So it wouldn't be. It wouldn't. Be really on the building itself would be sort of.  And held by the anchors. And how long do they. Are they planning on leaving them up? Well, it's a temporary installation. It's a temporary installation. It's a temporary installation. It's a temporary installation. And the material. Wouldn't last more than three years. It's probably more like a two year installation. Our plan. Is to rotate images. With using the same anchors. So we would, we would install the anchors into the mortar. And after a two year period. When the material is starting. Before it starts to degrade. We'd replace the image. I thought I understood you to say that these are photographs. Oh, no, no. Elliott's Elliott Berg's piece. On the on your outdoor building as a photograph. But that's the option of doing a painting. Any kind of art. You could blow up the image. And print it on that fabric. So it could be a photograph. It could be a painting that's imaged. It could be a graphic that's done on the computer and anything. But as long as the. Quality of the image are good enough. You could blow it up to that size. And this is the representation of the image that you're contemplating. Yes. Anybody else have any questions. I mean, I don't. Not. It matters here, but I assume you're putting this up with some sort of lift from the sidewalk. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We. That's what we did. Oh, yeah. Sorry. We use the same lift that we're going to use for installing the mural on that backside of the rec center. Yeah. Yeah. Which is beautiful, by the way. Nice job. Thank you. We're very happy with it. Yeah. It's great. Can I ask just to clarify anything just because I've been in discussions of this. So just two things. So is this, this is a request for. The alter the options of a or B, depending on where things could be placed, right? Because there's a question of whether or not the lift can get out to be safely right over the river. Or is it more of a sizing issue? I think it's a sizing issue. I, I mean. Well, I. Ward Joyce who has experience with that lift says it wouldn't be a problem getting to that location. I would admit, I'll think it would be. Okay. Okay. So you're hoping for you to have the option of a or B. Right. And then if you could. And then was it. And then if there was an installation where it was a both where you wanted to use both, is that what you wanted as well? Or just a, or B, and that would be. We would have wanted one image at a time. I wouldn't want to put two images there. Okay. And then this is. Is this approval for. Images there, no matter what they are within that size area, right? You can switch them out before without having to come back here as long as it is actually public art. Right. Right. Right. That's the best idea. The plan is for us to approve either area. Yes. Okay. How many anchors are you intending to put it? I'm not the one that's done these installations before Ward Joyce on our commission has done it. I assume there's two to three on the bottom. And it must be at least four vertical. I don't know. I'm not sure exactly, but he's, that's what he's, he did for the installation. And this is no bigger than the installation that's on the, on your outdoor building. And that's been there for six years. I don't know exactly how many he used. For that. So. A dozen or 15 anchors. So it's. Six. I'm looking for approximate. Yeah. 16 is probably. Okay. Probably probably 12 to 16 is, but more likely 16. Yeah. I would suggest that we put a condition on the permit that the. When it's taken down that they're the. Either holes be filled. I think sometimes it might be better to put a little bit of water in there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Versus pulling them out and then then regrouting or something. Yeah. Well, by looking at these anchors, it felt like then you would have all these stainless steel kind of. Shiny spots. Shiny spots. That I would. Not exactly knowing how they're going in. I'd probably inclined to try and. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Or some sort of in there with some sort of adhesive. It's a. Pretty sure it's a lead anchor. That. The stainless steel would. Go into. And the plan would be. When you take them out to probably. Just use cock is what. Word. Word. Talk to the historic preservation. Group about this. When he, when he got approval for the. When you were out doors space and he said, he would just talk the holes. Holded the anchors out. Yeah. But we could do. Route or something else if that was, what was more appropriate. Yeah, I think pulling the anchors out and filling, filling the hole with. The appropriate thing is the right thing to do. I don't know what that appropriate thing is, but having all those stainless. Yeah. Things on the side of the building seems weird. Especially because I doubt they're all going to go in perfectly. They're going to be. Right. Mismatch tights. Yeah. We wouldn't leave them. Just. Yep. Are there any questions or. Comments. From the public. Hearing that now I've got a form. Who's the artist prop. Who's the artist. She's an art teacher at 32. Shartran. Is her last name. What's the name. Sorry. Maybe it's Christine. Shartran. Is that an application? I'm sorry. The artist. Name of the artist. Is the last name. Is the last name. Is the last name. Is the last name. Is the last name. Is the last name. Shartran. Shartran. Shartran. The artist. Name of the artist. Is the last name. I might be a little. It might be a list of short trend or it might be. Shartran. Shartran. Okay. Thank you. And your intention is kind of keep this going and. Rotate it. Exactly. That's the idea. Yeah. It's. It's very inexpensive to get the. These printed. And it's not a. It doesn't look good. And it's not a, it doesn't last a long time, but if you could do it inexpensively to get these printed, it could really be a very dynamic installation that changes regularly and be very interesting to the downtown. I have some questions about large art on the side of a historic building, but as long as it's reversible. Yeah, it's clearly reversible. And it's a temporary installation. Okay, I've got the all projects criteria to fill out. And for historic structures, there's three. The removal of historic materials or alteration of features which will be avoided. It's not going to do that character defining features and construction techniques or examples. Crestmanship of characters should be preserved. That's fine. Any treatments that cause damage to historic materials included but not limited to physical treatments such as sand busting shall not be approved. I think it meets all those criteria. So I would say it's acceptable with the condition that if it's removed, the holes be filled. Right? Yep. The next one, existing buildings shall be recognized a physical record of their time, place and use. That's acceptable. Those landscaping is not applicable. Location and appearance of all utilities, you're not going to do a lighting or anything. It's not applicable. Staff's already done that, hold nice. I tried to help. Yeah, I know. The creation of buildings and so the whole page of things that are not applicable. Use of the state house, parcels on both river and shall be oriented so the front is really not acceptable height. If you took down to 12. Rhythm and roof shape, not applicable. Architectural features, so not be limited to cornice, stutters, fan lights and towels or trim and molding. You're not going to cover any of that stuff up. So that's acceptable. And then roof drainage systems, not acceptable signage removal, outdoor lighting fixtures, not acceptable. Not applicable, sorry. I don't think there's any other of our standards or criteria that apply to this one. Do a scan, but there are just a few that actually apply to this one, but I have to put them all on the sheet, on the form that you're going to take a look at and sign after Eric does. Recommendations, the recommendation should be, condition that be filled with appropriate material. Any other comments, questions? All in favor? Aye. Aye. That's reason of nothing. It's a date today. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Night. Okay. If you don't have to try and get it to be the next day anymore. Next is 16 Main Street installation of interactive art experience acrylic panels. Can you do the thing up on? I can. Come on, let's see what way I need to orient it once I get to the pictures. So I guess zoom it around. Sorry, it only lets me do it clockwise. That's a good, tell me where you want it, Rob, just to start with and then go to maybe the site plan. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna give an introduction to what you're doing. Yeah, so the idea is we got an application from Mike Turner and Kate, sorry, better last name, but they're with Arcana Workshop Studio in Barry. And what they want to do is take these acrylic panels and have dyes flowing across them, different color dyes. So each panel will be different, but they'll all be organically colored. They'll be organic colors flowing through them. And they would be set on concrete bases. The bases would actually be on the ground. So you wouldn't see the concrete bases, but they would sit a bit, they'd be about six feet high, I don't think two and a half feet wide, but these acrylic panels would be, you could walk around them and there'd be about six of them. And where are they going? Well, we would like to place them in that new park across the street on Main Street right next to the drawing board. Okay. Oh, the mound. Yeah. The old M&M beverage was. Exactly. So basically creating an interactive sculpture experience in that location. And this sounds concrete. It sounds like it intends to be permanent. Well, no, this is a temporary installation as well because it's not really not a big money investment. It's very minimal in terms of the total dollars. So the frames around them is gonna be wood and that'll degrade over time. And it's not, I'm not sure how long the panels themselves would last, but it's planned as a two year installation basically to see how it works. You know, if it is super successful, we might do something more permanent in the future, but that's a whole nother story. We might do something different, but basically the idea behind the RFP that we had issued back in January was that we wanted to throw a little bit of money in a lot of different places and see how they worked for temporary installations. And then, you know, maybe we'd have some one thing or two things or three things that were successful, but we'd, you know, try to make it more permanent if it was very successful. And if it wasn't that successful, we could move on and do something else. But this idea behind this was it was a temporary installation. My definition of temporary is anything shorter forever. So shorter than what? Anything shorter forever. So I think that what I would like to do is ask you to come back to design your viewing and renew the permit if you go beyond that. Does that work? Beyond the two years? Yeah. Give you a permit for two years. Okay. What I hate to see is stuff that deteriorates and is important. Right, right. No, yeah, that's, yeah. You guys don't want either. No, no, no, we're not gonna let things just sit there and definitely not deteriorate. That sounds interesting. Yeah, it'll be, it's dynamic and exciting. And I think it'll really get people involved and want to interact with it. So people want to see how the colors change with the light and looking through and seeing other people through the panels. It'll be, I think it'll be very interesting. Go behind it with the flash. Yeah, you can do it at night with lights. Yeah. Rob, I have some concern about the concrete footings. Are those gonna be in ground? Yeah, that was the plan. And you're intending to leave those permanently? No, no, if we're taking the piece out, the concrete bases would come with it. Okay, so those are part of the temporary. Right. I have, are you done? Sorry. I mean, I have a lot of faith in Arcana and I think the work that they do is really pretty unique and pretty awesome. Without seeing these renderings, I have some concerns about the stability of the pieces based on like the public being able to kind of pull on them and them. Right. And I realize these renderings are not actually how they're gonna get constructed, but I don't really know what my guidance is here, but I guess it's based in that. We were hoping to stake them down as well. So that wouldn't be just be the base, but also put stakes in it to hold the bases. You could give some more security to the bases. Yeah, I mean, I'm imagining, well, no, I mean, I feel like I'm imagining there's three-ish bags of concrete per thing poured into a rectangle that you're gonna dig out of the ground and then stuff that in there. And then it's the connection between the sign, I'm calling it a sign, the panel to the concrete and just its ability at six feet to be able to have somebody pull that over. Just the orientation of that concrete mass is not going the best direction to be able to Right, right. Resist that overturning moment. Right, right. But again, I have faith in Mike Turner and Arcana. They've done a lot of interesting things and successfully. So I believe they know what they're doing. These renderings don't show how I imagine it's actually gonna be created. Do you have any recommendations as to what we should do to make it more stable in that way to put something that was wider? Yeah, I mean, I don't just, something that showed a little bit more dimension or I don't know that I need to see it, but some real consideration that how much weight needs to be down low and then the connection between, I mean, I see it spaced off so it's and wooden mitre joints that are drawn here or whether they're gonna get dominoed together and have a much better connection or how they're gonna, it just feel like it isn't a, what I'm seeing here is a really strong structural thing that the public would be able to like grapple with and I worry about something like that getting fall apart. I thought about if you throw some heavy rebar into the ground or the concrete around it. That could help, certainly. But there's just something that helps prevent some of that as well as, Yeah, once you get up high, it's pretty easy to topple that. If it's a concrete base a little wider, that would help too. Yeah. So these are things to consider and uncertain. Again, I want to reiterate, I have a lot of respect for those guys and feel like they know what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, if you want to leave it to us to work out the finals, or if you want me to come back with more specific drawings, we could do that too, or consider their ideas, but I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, the safety aspect isn't really so much design review per view, but I do know that this was going through as well the river hazard for Audra to issue the permit on that. So I think maybe it's just something that if you can get our office a few more details, then it just makes sense to have that in the file. As to, you know, because it may be that they were waiting to figure out the exact details of how they were going to anchor it till they got confirmation on some other information. So, yeah, I would just get that information to me and Audra, especially because any tweaks to how it's all anchored, she's probably going to need to know as well the specifics of how it's all anchored together to make sure that, you know, in a flood event, those aren't ripped off from the concrete anchors as well. And that way you don't need to come back here. Okay, great. Thank you. I'm thinking about... Make sure you're near the microphone, Eric. Oh. Sorry. The putting a two-year condition and the condition, if they get damaged, you're responsible to repair them. And the suggestions that I made of heavy rewrite going down into the soil, you know, like a few feet, you just drive in with a hammer and pour the concrete around it was not a big deal. Right. That one might be an option. Yeah, and I'm going to put a such as. Awesome. And a wider base. So there's more leverage. Yeah. The whole counteractive approach. Anybody that's on, want to make a comment? Everybody we have on and here in the room is either part of the meeting, recording the meeting or applicants. Okay. And nobody has a hand raised. We're good. I still got a form for 41 states. This is 16 states. Oh, actually, I think it is a two. Sorry about that. Yep. I had a duplicate. I can do two just to be the one. 16 Main Street. Yes, there you go. I think for new construction, it's acceptable. The only show we recognize is not happening. Anybody has any objection to this? Just stop me. Close landscaping should be compatible with the neighborhood of the site. That's I don't know what this is. Landscaping or not. I left. I also left that up because I wasn't sure if there was going to be any landscaping with this. It wasn't clear. There's no lighting or anything with it. No. Unless somebody shows up for the first night. And then the rest of the two got location. All durations to buildings. These are the state of stone. We're not applicable. All the rest of these criteria. I don't need to read it. No, you don't need to read all the ones that I already. Just the last one, number 16, because this is kind of a site furnishing, kind of a site furnishing. Site furnishings, including fencing, seating, and other types of site furniture. Yeah, just landscaping. Your key architectural pattern is mechanical. That's all acceptable. I am going to put in two years. See, standard responsibility for any repairs or maintenance and that measures stability installation, such as wider base into the ground. OK, all in favor. I'm a yes. Yes, you can get it over too. I want the exercise. Six of these. Six of these. Thank you. So we should have the permits ready and the next day or two. And should we just pass them to Kevin? Should we email you? Pass them to Kevin? OK. And then the permits will have the permit and then there'll be the notice of permit on a blue card. That blue card will need to be posted at the sites where the installations are going to go, somewhere in public view. So the one on State Street could probably go in the front door window, maybe. That would be protected from the weather. The one across the street here, I would say somehow put it in like a Ziploc baggie and tack it to a post or something in the parcel. I know that's a little tough because you're like, well, how long is it going to stay there? But I don't know what else to do in a vacant lot. There's just not a whole lot of great ways to protect it there and actually have it on the parcel. Thank you so much, Rob. OK, 14 State Street, Vermont rental solution. Shannon, you are up. Thank you for your patience. Sure, absolutely. That's just luck. Well, we wanted to make sure everybody could hear even those in the audience here. That's good. Shannon, you want to just talk about your project a little bit? I will either you could share your screen if you want to, or I can share the application here. Yeah, you could go ahead and share if you don't mind. Not in the least. I will get down to where it shows the sign. I am opening a deli at 14 State Street. And my applications are to hang up two signs that say the name of my business, which is N-up. So there's the projecting sign. I'm just showing that right now. And that doesn't quite show what you're looking at. Let me see if I can get there is the good one. Yes, so they're both the same sign made by the same manufacturer. But the one that's protruding from the building is just a mini size of this one. And that's a photo of the actual sign. So this is the sign that would go on the building. If that's that one right there. Yes. And you have there is a picture of the building up higher. So it would go in the middle of the, yes, right here. What is the sign made of, Shannon? It is 12 gauge galvanized steel painted black. Or is it a metal color? It's white. The sign is white. It's the color that you can see. Yeah, because the sign area there is already been painted black by the property owner. He did that consistently on the multiple sign band areas he has on that property. So that's already black. OK. Yeah, it's brown. And the brown. Brown, yeah. Chocolate brown painted exterior. Chocolate brown, my bad. So the sign is powder coated and it's white. And if you scroll down to the actual sign, you'll see that that is the actual color of the sign. It's just the letters are cut out, right? And you're just applying. Make sure you're writing things on this. Just the letters. So here, what you're showing there is a background, not a mounting board, right? That's the floor. Yeah, that's the floor. Yes, you're correct. It's just the letters. Yes, the letters are cut out. Oh, OK, I see. Yes. And then you're using the holes that are in those in the E in the N in the A for nails or screws to be able to. The hardware actually came with the sign and that is there's a photo of it right there. Yeah. Oh, I see those. Those are standoffs, those things. Yeah. This is going to sit in. That sign is going to be projecting away from the building. There's going to be about an inch or so behind the sign. Half an inch, yes. So the manufacturers of the sign also sent the hardware with it, so it's designed to go with the sign. And the projecting sign, is that also cut out letters? That happens from Diana, but that's fine. Shannon? Yes, yes, it's exactly the same. Yes, yes. It's just a smaller version. And then I assume you're going to paint the heads of the nails. So they're already painted, maybe? Oh, and I have them right here. If they're not, yeah, they're really, really small. I don't think you're going to see it from like the street. I believe that. But I can paint them if they show, I'll certainly paint them. Any lighting? Yes, the landlord has lighting that he just installed on the building that was here. That is part of it. If you flip it up, I think there's a picture that shows where the sign is placed. And there's lighting that was before. I've got it up there next. That the landlord had put for all of his sign band areas. He had this boost next foot in earlier this year. You're here. Anybody else have any questions? Hearing none.  It says signs in the design control district. The sign, the size, location, color, texture, lighting, and material of all exterior signs will be compatible with the building and structures of the site. I would say that's acceptable. For appropriate signings for respect to the original sign placement in the sand biance, acceptable. The building has multiple tenants. There should be consistency in the placement of the signs among all the signs. I would say that's acceptable. It's recommended sign placement be centered over building entries. Really can't be counted. In the middle of the sign. Yeah, it can't really close enough. I mean, it's it's over the window. I just want to say it's centered on the sign band. Yeah, weird. It was off to the size of the sign next to the top. Not applicable. You're not going to be the mortar judge. Right. I only give you one recommendation for him. And there's two signs, right? There's the projecting sign and the wall sign. So I don't know if you want to the projecting sign. Looks like it's centered over the entrance. Where's the wall sign? So maybe just sorry about that. This is my bad. It's centered on sign band projecting sign over entrance. Thank you, Ben. And this one. The blade sign is this is the hardware that's holding it. Yeah, and it showed that if you flip again, there's the S. People begin, there's S hooks and the chains to hang from that. That's the same. It's basically the exact same thing, the exact same thing, just hanging. Yep. Sign design, color, superficial, respect, historic precedence were appropriate. I think that's acceptable. Sign support structures will become battle with the building architecture. It must not be overly complex or dominant. Acceptable. I think fixtures on facades, but sorry. Now those are already just not after any other comments. Any, any other recommendations? No. Are you good with the modding? Thank you. All in favor? I say yes. Hi, yes. And I'm going to give this to Meredith and Shannon, you can come in and sign it, right? Yep. So Shannon, it's up to you. You can either come into the office tomorrow and sign the recommendation form or I can email it to you. Do you have a preference? Yeah, if you can email it, that would be great. I'm open tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, of course, yes. So I will email it to you and then when you get a chance to sign it and send it back and then we'll be able to get you your permit. And we can either mail the permit to you or you can come in and pick it up. So we'll, or heck, I could just walk it over. And we'll figure that out when you email back the signed recommendation form so we can get that permit out the door, OK? OK, so I have to wait until I have the permit in hand to hang up the sign. Is that correct? You're kind of supposed to. What time do you open tomorrow? No, it's OK. No, what time do you open tomorrow? 8 o'clock. But I probably won't have time to do it tomorrow anyway. I'm just making sure that I know. You can put anything you want inside your window. Yeah, I have it in the window now and it's fine. OK, so I'm not going to run around and ding you because you put it up. But what I'll do is before I leave here tonight, I'll email you this form so you can get it back so we can get the permit signed out the door as soon as possible tomorrow, OK? And I will try to email you. Thank you, I really appreciate that. OK. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks, everyone. You're welcome, Janice. Good luck. Thank you. Bye. OK, the next application is for 90 Berry Street, ADA ramp. If you need to, feel free to move that microphone between the two of you, both you just pick it up and lift it over the laptop and stick it between you. Thank you. OK, good. Thanks. Oh, OK. I'm Michael Curtis from Washington County Mental Health, Washington County Owns of Building. It has for 25 years or so. It was funded through VHCB. Before the pandemic, we were granted VHCB monies to fix the roof and some other stuff and some CDBG money to complete those repairs and also make an accessible apartment on the first floor. And I'm Joel Page with Scott Partners Architects. You're going to have to speak up or pull back. Hi, I'm Joel Page with Scott Partners Architects and we're the project architect assisting these guys. I watched by the building today and it's a beautiful building. It's getting better. It's getting better. It's taking a while. Looking at the building, standing on Berry Street, looking at the building, where do you project that the ramp will go? OK, if you go up the driveway to the building. OK. There's, you can see where people parked that way. It's that side of the building. OK, so it's not basic. It's not going to be on Berry Street then. No, that would be more like a carnival ride than ADA ramp. OK, I can share screen. It's just I'm going to try to figure it's going to take some funky maneuvering to share the different parts. This is looking like a wood-framed ramp. Basically pressure treated. Yep, pretty straightforward, simple construction. Hungry piers, you know. Yep. And then I'm looking at I'm looking at forced sections. So I'm only seeing handrail on one side. But so there would be a handrail on the other side. It's designed to meet ADA requirements. So handrail on both sides, little curb. You're putting the railing across the porch, right? Correct. So you basically where the parking area is, you'd have immediate access off the parking area to the beginning of the ramp. And it's just going to be treated in what color? I don't think we have to sign it on a color, but it would be coordinated with how we're going to paint the building. So probably if we're going to we haven't really talked about where it's just painted. Yeah, so whatever it was gray or something. So you said the building was just painted. So similar to these pictures. Right. So it'll be it'll somehow coordinate with what the colors we've got right now. Yeah, same scheme. Right. We got that was done by the lead program a couple of years ago. No, it's a paint job. Granted funky. Don't you have to wait a year when you're using pressure treated? You have to allow it to dry out. Doesn't necessarily have to be a year, but it has to get to a good acclimated point. Except paint. And roof and I worry a little bit about snow landing on it. I can't exactly tell if they're dry, but it's outside the roof. Yeah, there is a gutter, but they will have to maintain it. There will be potential for snow. And that is right above the center of it, right? Right. I guess that's not our thing, but that doesn't seem ideal to me. Well, it's the challenges we have. Yeah, I understand. One of the things that Steve Everett, who's a chair sometimes suggests is using a metal grate when there's snow and water rather than pressure treated so that it just falls slow. Yeah, it's a much more expensive cost if we were going to do a whole run of it. That's what we ended up having to do. So I think if these guys can do their diligence and do the maintenance required, it should be. Are you going to put down any of those traction, stick on traction? Right, not at the moment. But I guess we will see how the tenant is and then accommodate that. Not, like I said, it's not our design review. Usually follow the requirements of the ADA and then adapt as we need to per person. Eric, just to, you know, you could give them the option to do that steel grating on the ramp if it ends up being something they can work into the budget and then they don't have to come back if they change that material. OK, I can do that. And OK, it just gives you an option if you can find a way to work into a budget. So it would then be less maintenance potentially. Budgets a little thin. Yeah, I know. I know. Case you found a miracle grant or donor somewhere. I just want to make sure you had that option so you wouldn't have to come back and get another permit for it. Permits good for two years. Any other questions or anything? Oh, no, but I'm a big advocate for providing handicapped access for a number of reasons. Thank you for doing that. OK, now I'm going to find the right one. That one I just didn't read the few things that apply. OK, this is only a few. This is for historic structures. You're not removing any historic materials. You're not impacting any character defining features or you're not causing any damage to historic materials. Existing buildings shall be recognized as a physical record of their time place. That's this is acceptable. So handicapped ramp, simple handicapped ramp. Perfect. And we've got a lot of non-academic here. And then we get architectural features. Architectural features are not limited to when those. Shall be considered in the alteration of the building where you're really not altering the building. I would say that's acceptable. And I think simple solutions are almost always better. I do have one more comment after I flip the page. Sorry. Oh, did I miss one? No, you're looking at the application. Oh, I did miss one alteration of the buildings. All for public safety. Coach will be designed to maintain the character of the material. That's acceptable. So then still does have a question. And it's more just a comment regarding the. The the the railing on the exterior of the ramp. And all the the wooden pickets as it marches up the ramp. Don't believe all those are required by the time that you get to 30 inches, then they're required, but as both maintenance and visual lightness and less material to purchase, I don't think you need those. I can agree. And so we can we can simplify that. That's that could be options. Yeah, pressure tree hasn't come down yet. No, and I think it just it puts a lot of visual clutter on a little beautiful building that's unnecessary. So then I'm going to put that as an option is just removing the railings. Yeah, you still need the handrails, but you don't need all the vertical. OK, so you'll need the handrail because we're below 30 inches. You don't need a guardrail and we'll need a curb on the edge. Yeah, but you don't need all the four inch fall protections. Yeah, probably not going to save you enough money to put in the grating. You might not, but it will lessen some of the impact of maybe the more it should be more of a see-through. The grating floor is an option and removing verticals and the railings. Some of the verticals, I guess. And that way just resort to building to the fires versus making it look exactly like the rest of the railings of the building. Yeah. The I did forget one of the criteria, porches and stairs. Location important shall be placed. And it's not impact or undermine the original significant ornamentation of the building. No, stairs ramp shall be employed. So the detailing to connect can be compatible with a shark. I didn't think it does that stairs and ramp. I think it's a good idea, though, to just provide a little more transparency through there, since it doesn't look like there's ever a railing on that porch. You don't need it above 30 and below 30 inches. You know, that's what I thought. Yeah, stairs and ramps should be designed in a manner of details and materials to provide the most sense of incompatible structure that fits the building. That's all acceptable. Oh, I guess all in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. OK. One of you needs to sign this. Preferably someone with authority from the applicant, applicant for order, I guess. We'll get that out the next day or two. Would you prefer it mailed to you? Or do you want somebody to email you and have you just come and pick it up? The latter. OK, I'll make sure to. Audra issues, she knows you. Hold on. I have. Yes, I want to make sure I had your email address. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you taking care of the building. That's the end of the applications. We probably can't do the minutes. I don't think so. No. I'm the only one here who was at that meeting. I'm the only one here who was at that meeting. OK, so. Other business. Not for me. Just a plea to anybody watching via Urca to if you're interested in being on the design review committee to please contact me. We could use some additional members. The thing I guess I could have put it in the comments of the chair. But yeah, I'd make fun. The. Historic Preservation Commission has been charged and received a grant for developing guidelines for the design review committee. And we would anybody that wants to participate in that and members of the design review committee, particularly. We have hired Brandy Saxton to do the work and anything I would certainly appreciate any input from the design review committee members that. Of what needs to be illustrated, you know, in any good pictures. Of of things are what you feel a public. Needs the most information about. You know, the next HPC meeting will be Tuesday, August 10th. And we'll actually that the plan is to be meeting with Brandy and hashing out the table of contents and some lists of illustrations that she might be putting together as well as photographs of buildings around Montpelier or other cities to work into the guidelines that are illustrated for how to use the design review regulations. So feel free to contact me if you want some other information, but we would love to see you and get your input as we go along. Maximum participation, because at this point there are four members. There hopefully will be four members of HPC as of this Wednesday. Our first member is going to be appointed this Wednesday. And since design review is the one that are going to be using these things and input would be appreciated. OK, since I can call a meeting to order, I could also. Caval adjournment. Wow, we didn't even have a second. We didn't have to motion. We didn't have to do anything. Just get that out a lot. We're done. All right. Thank you, Eric.


act this part three to our watch along to eat the tiger or maybe ta tiger the tiger it's ta tiger if you're watching this on youtube you can see very cut a version just like the other parts if you haven't seen the other parts could be to go watch those parts uh if you like to see full uncut version though you can have it a patreon up the link in the description will intend to comment and at the end of this part we will talk about the movie and um uh put our thoughts about it obviously at the end so let's just get into this on zack yeah now we're actually gonna do it he's badass look at that how many guys are there and now you gotta break her out of jail you're gonna do now you have to break her out she's your dearest love just follow his his mind for so long as to follow his heart is i could attack and who be cute uh racist nice It would be better if you don't do such-and-such actions. And your friend, Indian friend, ran away by leaving you alone. I freaking love this movie. Oh, geez. That poor motorcycle guy. Just driving along mind his own business. That's called a biplane. That's bi's plane. It's a biplane. Sir, I don't know if you saw. He knocked a guy out on a motorcycle with one hand. You think he's gonna stop him? Huh? The guy tried to stop him. He knocked out one guy on a motorcycle with one hand. You think you're gonna stop him? He's gonna shoot the gasoline. Yup. I mean, he's gonna get them. And he's gonna shoot the whole thing.  Stormtrooper agents. I'm confused though, but his buddy, is his buddy trying to look like? Huh? His buddy was on his side, but now he's shooting at him. He was. Oh, ouch. He got shot. Oh, geez. Bi told him that she was coming back to India with him, and then he went like this, and he was going against his plane. That makes sense. He just used him.  Hang on, do this. Hurry up! Bye! He's gonna Tom Cruise it. Your dearest love is leaving. He Tom Cruise it. Yeah, he did. Wow, she just turned on.  While he's bleeding out. I was shot in the ribs. Mile height. Mile height club. Mile height club. Gotta do it. Get it, get it. Don't smile at him, he's dying. Ma'am, he needs first aid. He needs your help. Sir, for the first time, you have called me by my real name, sir. Sir, for the first time, you have called me by my real name, sir. No, sir. To love an enemy is a crime. Sir, when I was in love, no one told me that I was an enemy. And when I fell in love, I didn't understand why I was an enemy. Poetry. Poetry. The day India and Pakistan need no more ISI, we'll come back that day. That ended quick. Yeah. Then this is the end song. There's usually an end credit song. A lot of Bollywood films, so. I don't know if I've noticed that before. It just depends on the ones you've seen. I don't know how many big Bollywood films you've seen. I think only a couple. Is there an end credit scene? I don't know. I guess we'll find out. This is probably the end credit, though. He's just pelvic thrusting there.  I don't think it'll look as good. He makes it look cool. He makes it look like it's fighting. He makes it look great, too, but just by making it look great. Yeah. Mashallah. Mashallah. Mashallah. Mashallah. Mashallah. This is going to be my go-to dance now. Ooh, I can do that. Now my back, immediately. My lower back is gone. They didn't kiss, did they? We never saw them, actually. That's incredibly common, especially back in this day. This is what I think. 2012? I forget what year it was. But yeah. 2012, yeah. It does happen, but especially with these older stars, like this star, and then like Shahrukh Khan, two of the big stars of their time, especially, Shahrukh Khan definitely doesn't kiss. He does not kiss in his films. I think he did it once in one film, but he has a no kissing contract, so he does a lot of net kissing. I think in this one, I did see kiss on the cheek, but that was about it. I don't know if he has a kiss thing as well, like similar to him, though. I respect that. But I just find it interesting, especially in a romantic kind of movie. I didn't notice, just because I'm kind of used to it now. I'm used to full-on makeup. Yeah, full-on makeup. Right away. So, let me pull you up here. Pull you up here, because it's... Are you going to pull me up? Pull you up, if you know what I'm saying. No. I was super... I wasn't expecting it to end there, actually. Really? I thought it was going to keep going. I thought, like, one... Obviously, we filmed this in two parts, but the two hours is pretty darn short for an Indian film. No, that's true. That's a very short Indian film, especially a big action. Well, I would call this more of a romance with some action in it. Like, it's book-ended. It's book-ended with action. The beginning had some action, and the end had some action. Everything in the middle is, like, the love peanut butter jelly. Yes, it's very much, like, how rocky. You think it's a rock... You think it's a boxing movie. Oh, yeah. Really, it's a romantic movie. It's a romantic movie. Yeah. So, this is probably marketed towards action. I loved it. Yeah, right. You enjoyed that one? I did because it was cheesy as hell, but, like, it seemed like it was... It was... Like, it meant to be. It seemed like it was paying homage to a lot of typical spy movies. Yeah. It definitely took inspiration. Yeah, a lot of inspiration, but it wasn't a spy movie. Like, it was, but that wasn't the main thing. Like, you said, it's a romance movie. It was barely a spy movie. What was that movie with Tom...? Was it Night and Day? Yeah. Very much Night and Day. Is it something like that, right? Yeah. No, Night and Day. It's him and Cameradillas. Yeah. I don't remember much about it. I know I've seen it, but... I saw the movie theaters once. I didn't care for it, but it's very much... Well, it's a very common spy thing. Yes. Spy falls in love.  He broke his first rule. He got too close. Yeah. It's probably the number one spy theme in spy movies. It happens all the time. But it looks like they knew that. They knew they weren't reinventing the wheel, and they really doubled down on the action and the cheesiness of the spy things. When he kept flashbacking to all the spy stuff... Yeah, that was... That was hilarious. I was not expecting a fourth wall break in this film. Yeah, he kept staring at you. A lot of stuff was very... I like that it didn't take itself seriously for sure. Yeah, that was the big thing. I mean, it was a fun movie. I actually thought it had some really good action in it for the time in Bollywood, which didn't have a ton. It had some, but it didn't have like... They are doing it now. They're doing it a ton now. This was 2012. Yeah, 2012 in Bollywood. He might have done the airplane scene before Tom Cruise, honestly. When was the... I'm trying to remember that, but I think it was after 2012. After looking into that. But for the time in Bollywood, it just not done as much... It's done all... Just this year, Shah Rukh Khan has had two massive action films. One was Bhutan, which is in the same universe as Tiger. I like that multiverse. Tiger made a cameo in the movie as well.  Yeah, that's the first time I saw Tiger. It was a great sequence. That's the first... Oh my God, Zack died. Nice. It's action, huh? We're talking about action. Things are happening. And then there's another big one called Joann, which is another big action film with Shah Rukh Khan. Same thing. And you saw those and were those good? Yeah, they were pretty good. Yeah, I think you'd enjoy them. They're big in Massey Bollywood, current Massey Bollywood. So it's very different. This had a very almost American feel to it at times. So there's some certain things Indians like in big mass movies that aren't normal for a Western viewer who's not accustomed to it. And so who knows if you like all of it, but I think you'd enjoy both of them just fine. Especially Bhutan. I think Bhutan was in that vein, especially since it's connected to the universe. But now Tiger III is coming out. So there's a second Tiger film. I got to watch the second one. Yeah, Tiger III comes out November 12th. And the trailer was awesome. Don't look up the trailer because... We'll probably watch the second one here soon. Okay, I'm going to watch the second one. But yeah, I enjoyed a lot about it. I thought there was some really good stunt work. I thought... And we haven't seen a ton of Bai here, Salman Khan. We've seen a few of his. We've seen Bhaji Bhaijaan and then another one. I've seen him in supporting in a few things in like the 90s. Okay. He's been doing it a while. But yeah, he's been at it a long time. But this was probably one of his better performances along with Bhaji Bhaijaan. He was pretty grounded in this, which was good. Yeah, that's something like the cheesiness wasn't the acting. The acting wasn't bad at all. It was definitely the direction that they decided to go with it. Katrina Kaif. I love Katrina Kaif. She's a very good actress. I like her a lot. Yeah, I don't think I've seen any of these. You haven't seen anything of either of these guys. But she's married to another actor who's a phenomenal actor. One of the best young actors. Well, he's young, I say, I think he's like 37. In all of India, his name is Vicky Koshel. He's really good. But she is, I like her a lot. I like their chemistry a lot. I thought they had good chemistry. I wanted them to get together. I was rooting for them. I thought she did good stunt work. I think the stunt work is just going to get better in the next. Yeah, the fine scenes, the choreograph were actually pretty seamless. They were actually really, really good. I did miss some of the graphics. Some of that was a little off, even the airplane one. But when they came down to just like, also I was noticing a lot of his stunts look like him. He came jumping off things and driving. That was his face. Not her fall though. No, no, no, she died.  She was like, she was going like this head first. This was 2012. She's been in a coma for 10 years. But she's a cat. She's a cat, always laying on her feet. Just landing on her feet. I don't know how she does it, but she did it. It was a fun movie though. It was very fun. I did miss in the second half some of the humor that they had in the first half. I was, I was looking for more of that. But obviously they, I think they had to get some of the spy stuff. And the, the comedy was a little more of the setup for the love aspect of it all. I think now you have the conflict and like where the story was heading and trying to get together. But it was still, there's still funny moments with like, I think it was. I think it was meant to be funny. Some of the action scenes. Like him jumping out of the car and sliding on the, the both were sliding on the door. I thought that was hilarious. Oh yeah. Um, It was just over the top. I thought that was, I thought that in kind of abruptly a little bit. But it did seem like there's, it's set it, it's set up for, Oh yeah. Like I could see why, when you told me there's a third one coming out, I could see why. And they kept going. And so I guess it's going to keep following them. I don't know. I guess that's the story, right? I'm guessing in my head.  And then one of their agencies, probably his, probably raw needs him and her for a specific case. And they go find them to have them save something. Okay. Why can't I find the second one here? Just, just going off of all the movies, all the spy movies I've seen. Oh, we need tiger. This is a tiger or an enemy from tiger's past is coming back. Oh, wow. So the second one didn't come out till 2017.  So that was 14, 15, 16, 75 years until. Five years in between the two. That's not unheard of, but that is insane. It's directed by a lot of time. The second one's not directed by the same guys. The first one, Ali Abbas Zafar. Who is actually a big, um, Bollywood action director as well. Um, but. So maybe it's heavier in actions. That's interesting that. So I can also see, cause like this one set, definitely was set up the romance. And maybe that's second or third one. Since they already got the romance is going to be more. Action heavy. So this is the synopsis on. Inspired by real events. This is for the second one. Tiger scene to high is a sequel to the blockbuster. The tiger and an espionage action drama. That follows a daring rescue mission in Iraq. Okay. I wonder, I wonder if they're going to even address it. Like that's happened before. Like they just didn't address anything. Like all the questions you had, they're like, no. They're fine now. I don't know. I don't know if that's what they're going to do. Is she even in it? Yeah, she is. Okay, good. So maybe they will. But yeah, they do that all the time in movies. Yeah, they're both, they're both on the poster of it. Looks big. It looks. You know the movie. Escape from New York. With a carousel. It's like. 80s. No. Snake Plissons. He's got an eye patch. Anyways, a big, it was a big action movie. 80s. It's him. It's a future where they make New York a prison. Basically the whole city is a prison and he has to go in there to save the president or the president's daughter. Something like that. Anyways, 10 years later, they made a sequel in 1990. 1991. A call to escape from Vegas or escape from LA. And they did the same thing in California where you're from. So it's not unheard of that.  For a sequel. It's just that is, that is a lot of time. Yeah, I hope the. Cause I'm sure the, the obviously the one that's coming out this year, obviously, probably is going to have a thousand percent better VFX and stunts than what they had in 2012, you would hope, right? And they should. Cause this is a whole spy universe. Patan is what I told you, but there's also another film with another star. It's called war. Which is also a spy kind of one. It's with Rithik Roshan. I don't know if I don't think you've seen anything with Rithik in it. He's basically called the Greek God of India. And he looks like it. But that's another, that's in the same universe as well. I love that. I love it. It's a big, it's a big spy. Shared, shared universe. But Tiger's the one that started it all. So you said it was 2017 is the sequel. 2017 is the sequel. So it's like six years after that they made the third one. So that's just, they're just taking their time. Yeah. And, but they've made war came out, which was the second, also in the universe. That came out. I'll have to watch all of those. Three years ago, maybe. And then Patan, which is Shawer Khan, which Tiger was in, came out in January of this year. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a big and. I don't know if you want me to spoil this. Yeah, they're going to because it's, there's a next one called Tiger versus Patan. I haven't seen the other one. That's pretty awesome. They're going to find out that their mom has the same name. They've played brothers many times. That's awesome. They don't know many times. They definitely played brothers before in movies. So they're setting up like it. And then that's going to be them versus, and then they're going to, of course, any versus means that the, they're going to work together. We have two heroes versing each other. That means towards the end, they're going to have to realize their differences or together to stop a common cause, a common goal. Well, currently Superman. Currently. Captain America. Oh, so they're going to fight. They're turning from friends to enemies. Yeah. Well, current like in the, I don't know what's going to happen if like something happens in Tiger three, if Patan is in Tiger three, but currently they're friends. Interesting. Yeah. That's the happen in Godzilla versus King Kong. They started fighting each other and then they had to work together to fight the robot Godzilla. But yeah, I thought it was a really fun movie. It was, it was quite nice. It's good when films that I've heard a lot about in terms of like they're, they're big. A lot of people love them. Turn out to be ones that I enjoyed as well because it's happened before it. That's not the case. So that's hard.  I mean, the 80s was all action to compare. But what they did, I think it was really smart is one, it wasn't too much in action film, but the action that they did have. One was the fight seems really good. But two, they really were like, we know some of the stuff is ridiculous, but we're or like in our action movies, they played off like, no, this is, this is real life. People are like ripping arms off of each other. They played it off as like, we know this is silly. We're just having fun. Yeah. And I know I led with that. It was an action film, but it turned out to be more of a romance. With some action, which I don't know what genre you like more. What do you like? You like romance or do you like action more? I'm pretty sure those are like two of your favorite genres. Yeah. As I get older. Romance. It's always been romance, but action. It's I need a little more story. I can never get, I never got to the John Wicks and never got into the. Do you watch them? I watched the first one. I was like, I'm good. I enjoy John Wicks. And I just watched the first one this year. I enjoy it. All the past appearances. I've only ever seen Tokyo Drift. That was the last one I saw. All the Mission Impossible. It just, they all become, they start becoming the same thing. People really love those Mission Possible. I've only seen one in three. One, two and three. And then I saw the one with Henry Cavill. Cause I like Henry. And he had a mustache. Cavill. Cavill. Is that how he pronounces it? I'm pretty sure it's Cavill. No, it's Cavill. Yeah. Actually, I think he does Cavill. I go back. I've only ever heard of called Henry Cavill. But whatever. You might like him more than me. Just Superman. Anyways, yeah, that was a lot of fun. I hope you guys enjoyed our watch along. Part two is worth the wait. You're just talking to Patreon. I'm just talking to everyone else. On YouTube, they get it at the same time. On Patreon. I'm sorry, it was my fault. I hope it was worth the wait. If you obviously, if you saw this on YouTube, you saw a very cut up version of our reaction. If you'd like to see full on cut versions though, you can go to Patreon. The Uncircumstant Virtual. And the pinned comment. Let us know what the next watch along we should do with Zachary Andrew Charles Kieseliches. I'm back. I'm back, baby. You should catch up. Make Jesse watch the first one. And then we can all three watch the second one. He liked it. He's me. Just a little younger. And so he'll like all this. Look out for me. Is there any Hollywood? Hey, do they do Halloween? Is there any Halloween movies in India? Yeah. Oh, you mean like spooky movies? Yeah, because it's Halloween season. They, it's the two most unexplored genres that they really haven't perfected yet are sci-fi and horror. That's my, I think that might be why. Yeah, they don't do either a lot. They've done it a few times, but they haven't really perfected it. There's, I mean, just, they've done a few that I've enjoyed. Like there's a film called boot. That's really good. There's a folk horror. That's called don't bad. It's really, that's probably the best one I've seen. There's a great anthology on Netflix called ghost stories. Okay. That's actually, I just watched that. It's, it's freaking fantastic three. It's four, four shorts, four shorts. Okay. I really enjoyed it. And you get back into it. That was nice. But yeah, they've done it a few times, but those are the two genres that I wish India would start exploring a lot more. Yeah. Or in sci-fi. Anyways, let us know what the next watch along with Zach should be. And yet that. On the next watch along.