Hey, Vlad. Hey, Doug. How are you? Good. How you doing? Fine. Fine. I'm preparing to go to a cloud-native meeting Bucharest, where I got to give them cloud event stickers. Ooh, that's exciting. And we need to get more stickers somehow. Got to figure out the process for that. Yeah, I only managed to get stickers at KubeCon when in the last day, they brought a big box full of stickers and there were some cloud events in there. Yeah. Well, that was it. Yep. Hey, Heinz. Hi, Eric. Hello, how are you today? Good. How are you guys doing? Good, good, good. Jane, come on in. Good morning. Hi, Lucas. Hey, Lucas, can you paste into the chat which company you're with? I can't remember for sure if this is your first meeting or not. So I'll make sure I get the attendance right. OK, one of us. Thank you. Tommy, are you there? Is that Mr. Mitchell? Good morning. Good morning. Hey, Tommy. Clemens. Indeed. Yes. I did find it amusing, Clemens, and I know that you sent me your assumption that I knew the other IBMer. It's a pretty large assumption. Well, you both work with standards. That's funny. You should know each other nevertheless. Oh, yes, yes. Because we're such a small little company. Yes, why? Because you work in related things. And York is the industrial IoT champion. You should know him. Probably. All right. Hey, Ginger. Good morning, Doug. Morning, Ann Manuel. You guys don't have a microphone, do you mind? About Kelvin. Kelvin, are you there? Oh, Kelvin, I see you coming off mute. Just if you can, Kelvin, since you may be having trouble with your microphone, do me a favor, I can't remember for sure if this is your first time in the call or not. If it is, can you paste your company affiliation to the chat just so I get it right for the attendance? Assuming you want to be affiliated with the company. Got it. Thank you. For those of you new to the group, we'll get started about three after. We usually give people three minutes to join. And well, are you able to speak now? Yes, I am. Hi. Hey, this isn't your first time in the call, right? Just I apologize. No, I was on one call the last one, December, and I missed the last one. OK, let me just try to check if I have your company affiliation. Let me see. Oh, that's Nokia, or Nokia Phillips. Oh, got it. OK, yep, you're right. Nokia, yep, OK, got it. Ryan, are you there? Yes, hello. Hello. And Lionel. Yep, hi. Hello. Hi. Oh, hey, Kristofs. I don't know why I keep missing you. I apologize. No worries, no worries. You think you would jump out at me because with your full name up there, it's one of the longer ones in the chat or in the list of participants, but I just don't see it for some reason. Yeah, I notice my name is longer. Whenever I have to type up my email address, it's really long. I can imagine, yeah. All right, one more minute, then we'll get started. Actually, I have a fairly light agenda today. Actually, let me ping Mike and see if he's coming. All right, Klaus, hello. Hello. And Javier. Hi. Hello. And Colin. Hey, Doug. Hello. Whoops. OK, did I miss anybody? I don't think so. Oh, William's joining. It's been a while. All right. Hey, William. Hey, how's it going? Good. All right, why don't we go ahead and get started? This is three after. M-m-m-m-m. Usual thing, Mark, Ken, and I are still working on the write up for our potential charter. Don't know yet what we're doing with it. We're still having some discussions. I still have an AI to update the TSC on our plans for the new spec. Haven't done that yet. When I do sync up with them and find out which meeting they want me to present, I'll let you guys know in case for some reason you guys want to join in and listen. OK, community time. Are there any topics for the community that people like to bring up that are not on the agenda? Not hearing any. All right, some Updaters on KubeCon EU. So I don't think anything's changed relative to the serverless working group time slot. I'm going to try to work offline with the workflow guys to see if they're comfortable presenting. I never actually did confirm with them. I assume they wanted to, but I want to make sure that they're OK with it. And down here, I did confirm with Dan Kahn that we will have a booth now that we are an incubator project. So relative to office hours type stuff, we'll have a booth that we can do that at, and we're probably going to have to do some sort of sign up sheet or something. So keeping it out for that at some point, I'll let you guys know when I figure out the actual details of how that works. However, I will need some help, though. Relative to the two sessions we have are cloud events, status and discovery, spec. I can write that up. That's no problem. I would, however, like some help on the abstract for this session, cloud events in the real world. Now, I don't see Scott on the call, but if someone is interested in just helping formulate exactly what that session is going to be like, ping me offline or during the call here at some point. Because I guess I need some help writing up exactly what the abstract's going to say, what we expect the people, and stuff like that. I want to make sure I get it right. So if you have any ideas, please just let me know. And I can use them up there. Thank you. OK, thank you, sir. But let's see. OK, serverless practitioner summit. That's a day zero event at ClabCoucon, March 30. The CFP was just opened up either yesterday or day before. I can't remember exactly when. But it will close on February 4. So if you have a topic you'd like to bring up, just click on the link here. I think it takes you to the CFP. Can you remind me of the scope of that again? Anything having to do with serverless, basically. So products and it doesn't need to be a single person related? Yeah, not product pitches. Those will get rejected pretty easily. But anything that brought interest to the community. One thing that did come up during the program and committee discussions around there is people seem to like the discussions around the challenges that people had in terms of implementing the infrastructure for serverless or functions and how they got around that and stuff like that. That seemed to be a very popular topic last time. Doesn't have to be that, but just let you know that was a popular one. OK. OK. Any other questions on that? Or anything else related to ClabCoucon? OK, one thing I will mention. I'm still working on getting a room for the face to face. I suspect we will be able to get a room. And I'm asking for a two hour time slot for about 20 people or so. When that actually gets confirmed that we will be able to get one. And then I'll send that on notice per governance rules. We only need to do it four weeks in advance. But if you are planning on or if you need more time to get travel approval, then you may want to start the process now because I suspect it will happen. I can't imagine that they can't find a room for us, but we'll see. OK. STK. So we had a call last week. Anybody from the STK subgroup want to mention anything from that call worth mentioning? I can't think of anything offhand. OK. We don't have a call this week, so the next call will be next week. We do it every two weeks. Kathy just pinged me as she won't be able to make the call here. So is there anybody else from the workflow subgroup who wants to give any kind of status? I don't see anybody. OK. We'll skip that. I actually have some minor status update for the C sharp SDK. Oh, sure. I just checked in the Avro encoding. Having implemented it, I'm not sure. I'm 100% happy with how we did that, but that's just what it is. And I'm also working on NAT support and ping direct regarding test interceptor. Cool. Excellent. So the Avro support also has a separate Nougat package now. OK. Any questions for Clemens or anything else related to the SDK work group? All right. Moving forward then. OK, thank you, Scott. All right. For the thought events, PRs, and issues, and stuff, I don't think there's anything here worth mentioning. I don't think anything's really changed there unless someone has something that they'd like to bring up. OK. So let's go ahead and jump over to the discovery spec. Since discovery is first, and I think I saw Mike on the call. Here you go, Mike. I see you. Mike, you want to bring us up to date on where things are or any topic related to that? Sorry, still not used to finding the unmute on Zoom. Not a problem. So I had trouble getting everybody together for a call that volunteered. Hopefully we'll get that done before the next meeting. I put in a link to GitHub issue where we discussed discovery for Knative a while ago. So I don't know that the implementation is exactly applicable here, but I think the use cases are. So I tried to summarize that in that next paragraph in the doc here, thinking about how people are going to actually consume this discovery. I mentioned this briefly last week, but we think about it as a funnel. So I think about like a cloud platform provider that might have multiple tens or dozens of different services they offer. That's a much more tractable thing for them to think about is like I want something from my compute or I want something from this database rather than having a list of the maybe hundreds of event types that that cloud platform provider has. On the flip side, I think it's also equally valid to think about what event types do I have where some event types might come from multiple sources. And I may be able to source those from different ways. So just like a little bit about the use cases, there have been some edits to some of the specifics on the suggested query operations and parameters. Speaking for myself, I know I added some things about filtering languages. So I think it's interesting to think about trying to standardize on a filtering language. At the same time, I think there's always going to be some room for some event providers requiring some kind of domain specific language in particular if you wanted to set up SQL trigger on a database as an event source. It might be hard to express that in a standard Cloud Events filter. Anybody else that has put comments in here wants to speak up? I guess not. If it's helpful, we can talk more about the actual implementation that we used in Knative. Can talk about that a bit now or we can try to organize those docs for offline reading. Yeah. If we have time, maybe it might be useful to talk about the shape of what the query results look like so people get an idea for what the scheme is. I mean, unless it's basically exactly what's shown here, just to see what Knative did. Yeah. We thought about how would we create a registry for sources and we kept budding up against things that looked a lot like custom resource definitions. So we actually just leaned into that and we're actually leveraging custom resource definitions with some conventions. So for instance, we had an annotation that says whether or not that thing is a source. So it's easy to query your custom resource definitions on your Kubernetes cluster and determine which things are sources. The nice thing that that gives us is the open API spec for how to configure that source is just baked right in. We've also got another annotation that describes the event types with a parsable JSON body that can then be used by tooling. So basically we decided not to try to recreate something that already existed and served the purpose we need. Separately, we have an event type registry. So we created another custom resource definition literally called event type that provides that second piece of the registry. So being able to go in. We do have a slightly different use case in Knative and that we are both providing access to external sources and discovery, but we're also providing access to on cluster events, things that one microservice to another that do not come from a provider. And that's where that second bit of the registry becomes a lot more critical being able to guess what event types are lately available in my environment for me to consume. OK. Let's take a look. Actually, does anybody have any questions or comments from Mike? Yeah, I have a comment. So I think one thing we will have to go and figure out is how to balance out the Kubernetes Knative world, which has a fairly well-defined way of how to do resources versus places where none of that exists, where effectively the registry is a standalone REST API. And because there will be many environments where the Knative and Kubernetes are just not playing a role. At least they're not the hosting environment for things. And there may not be Kubernetes cluster where people may not be setting one up just for that purpose. So we'll have to go and figure out how we can go and make an API that works for, effectively works for both, where you can use the Kubernetes cluster and all of the resource model that's in there, effectively as the back end store, but have a very thin veneer that sits on top of that. So it's kind of a need for operability API. So I think we'll need something to that end to cover all the bases. Yeah, one thing to point out is it's totally possible to still implement the semantics of something like a Kubernetes CRD without actually having a Kubernetes cluster. Yeah, but that's a lot of stuff to buy into if you just want to have a registry for events. Sure. I mean, it comes down to a REST API with certain fields and certain semantics. Yeah, and if the data model ends up being with lots of overlap, I think that's good. It's just that I would not force folks in industrial manufacturing necessary to buy into the entire management model of Kubernetes because they have a completely different world. So Scott made a comment and I'll speak for him since he has no mic. He said, can we define the shape of the API results and not the REST API and not a REST API? I think that's half of the interrupt story. But arguably, we're doing that with Cloud Events already, that we define what the results look like. But also, we'll probably also have to go and define how you query. And then you're getting fairly close to what that REST API also looked like. But yeah, in spirit, I agree that the data model is more important than the interactions are. And your comment there about the Clare to Model versus REST API or RPC type model, I think that actually applies to both parts of the spec, right, and for not just discovery, but to the subscription stuff as well, right? What I just said? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Because there's a, I understand how the world, how that Kubernetes world, to the lesser extent, Knative world looks like and how there's a drive towards declaring everything and then having some mechanics under the covers go and realize all those things. But there is, I think, a need for having fairly explicit here's a network interface, go and use that network interface for everybody. I think we need to have both. And I think the least common denominator is really having some sort of HP API. Any other questions or comments on that? It's going to be an interesting discussion, I think. And Scott said, can you have an API binding? Let's you roll a REST API or host it out of Kubernetes. So something to think about. Yeah, I think that has to be, for the Kubernetes world, in particular, there has to be a mapping that is very straightforward and not complicated at all. But I just think that that interface also needs to accommodate someone who's not in that world. Like, for instance, if I look at Azure and AWS, we have our own resource models for how we represent resources in the system that are not necessarily Kubernetes. There should be some mapping in a similar way to that model as well. We have the Azure Resource Management, which has its own resource graph. And we represent subscriptions to event grids in terms of that model. And there's a layer that we will have to go and implement to go and create compatibility in that API sense. And that's how I look at this. What is the common denominator across all those and how can we create an API that everybody can speak? OK. Anybody else have any other questions or comments on the discovery side of this spec? OK. Let's switch over then to the subscription stuff in Clemens. Maybe you can bring us up a date on what you guys had done so far. Yeah, so we've had an hour-long call just to pick everybody up from where they are and listen to some of the requirements. And so we came up with four distinct areas. The first one is describe what the native subscription capabilities are. So if you have a subscription API, this subscription API should not force you into performing a natural act. So if you have an MQTT broker, it should be possible to do something that is written down in a cloud event spec that doesn't require you to leave the confines of that MQTT broker, because the MQTT broker itself does pops up. So it would be weird to say. But if you want to do subscriptions in the cloud events way, you have to go and pull these four things onto that MQTT broker, because that's a little weird. So the native pops up capabilities of the broker should be permissible. If you are committed to MQTT, then you should be able to do it the MQTT way. If you committed to AMPP, you should be able to do it the MQTT way. If you committed to NATS, you should be able to do it the NATS way. And most of those are effectively pull operations. That's kind of pull subscriptions. You show up to a broker, you set up a subscription, and then you ultimately just pull events down towards you or configure the broker to send that into a queue. So those mechanisms should be described in the specification. And as you say, cloud events, if you use the following transport, we're OK if you're using the following mechanism. Then there's a whole. And this is what we all identified as a pull model. Then there's a push model, and that's something that everybody has a flavor of, where you have a pops up intermediary of some sorts that you can go and configure to push events to a particular destination. So you create a subscription, and that subscription tells the system where to deliver those events. And that's something that Twilio has, and that's something that Klaus and SAP has, and that we have an event grid. And I think Kathy said that she has both cases as well. So that's effectively what the subscription API is, and that's what point B is. And they're not necessarily ranked. A and B are ranked about the same. That is why we need to have a subscription API where we have some kind of endpoints, either at the producer or at a designated destination on behalf of the producer. And that's something that interacts somewhat with the discovery, with the catalog, where you then go and create a subscription and tell that pops up engine where to deliver those events. And that means that that subscription definition needs to tell which protocol is being used and needs to go and tell which credentials are being used, et cetera. So it's a relatively straightforward, out of the thing, REST API, but it also needs to have a common data model that we all can effectively lead on. And so that's one of two options. One is push, configure an event source, or it's a intermediary that is distributing an event for it to deliver events somewhere that is this API. And then there is native capabilities of the respective brokers. They also need to be enumerated. And then obviously, the broader you go in scope, so the further you go away from the source, and the more you have a pool of events, Twilio, for Twilio, that was the use case that's true, where Twilio effectively creates, you have a tenant scope, and all the events from the entire world of Twilio are available in that scope of your tenant. And then you basically just go and reach and create filter conditions for how to get in there. And those might, in the simplest case, go and just be able to filter on source and subject, but they may get more and more complicated, and you may have to have some filter expressions to go into those. I then put up a warning sign by actually sharing the new filter specification for AMQP, which shows how complicated that might get. But we'll have to go and figure out what the filtering model will be, and I think since we also need to have a filtering model for the catalog, I think that's something that we'll have to go and figure out how that will look. I think that the most trivial one is to say, we're only gonna do prefix and suffix filters on source and subject of some sort, and then punt on something that's more complicated for the first release, and then figure out whether we want to do some more complicated expressions down the road. And then Klaus also brought up, and that's D, how subscription propagation might work, and we decided to punt on that initially. And the problem here is that if you are you have a device that's sitting somewhere in a business environment, think of as a restaurant or think of as a medical clinic or just a home entertainment system, and that exposes a bunch of events, and that is going through a gateway at the house and that gateway gets connected up to an IoT gateway in the cloud. And now you have a consumer who's interested in a particular event from that device, which is one hop away. How does that work? How does the cloud gateway know how to ask the IoT gateway to go and ask for that event, and how does that synchronization happen? And then when there is a synchronization of that sort, how does the system deal with the IoT gateway asking for that event twice, but now having two parties interested downstream, if one of them unsubscribes, how do you keep track, et cetera. So that's complicated. The problem exists, we believe, that you need to have this subscribe on behalf model, but that's something that we said it exists, but it's a corner case. So we are gonna write that down as something that we're thinking about this, but we're not gonna tackle that and not try to tackle that in the first run. So that's kind of the overview of where we are. We've assigned some owners to these things. I'm gonna write down the native protocol story and then we're gonna reconvene sometime next week and compare notes and then see where we can get. But ultimately, I think the outcome of this effort is also the core output is a data model and a REST API. Cool. Any questions for Clemens or comments? There's one comment in the chat if you wanna address that one, Clemens. Or Kristoff, you wanna speak out to it? Yeah, I can, well, I have a second point to D, but my comment was, if you're so bought into MQ2TE or NET, why do you still wanna use a cloud event subscription at that point? The simple reason is compliance. So there are a lot of, and I see this now that I'm putting my feed again into this industrial manufacturing domain. There are a lot of customers who will insist on your implementation being 100% compliant with whatever the standard says. And if the standard doesn't mention your path, then the customer's gonna yell at you. So that's the reason is to effectively say, if you use MQ2TE, use the MQ2TE model as described over here and that's okay. So it's not inventing anything. It's effectively just referring to the mechanism and say, and effectively blessing that as a, okay way of doing subscriptions in cloud events. Got it. Okay, my second point is to D. So I think the subscription propagation is actually important in the cloud. So you don't have to look at devices. So I work at commerce tools. We will then software as a service and we try to use cloud events to push stuff, for example, into Event Grid, which we do. And now the extra problem is a customer registers, for example, Event Grid and connects this to our API. And then the question is, which events do we push? So we have, I don't know, millions of events that go out. So, but it, you know, it costs money to send them. It costs money to receive them at Event Grid site. So then what the customer has to do is they've configured one subscription at Event Grid site and then another time at our site. And that's just wasteful. I mean, it gets easier if we have a common filtering model, but it still seems like also very error prone for the customer to do. Yeah, so you can solve this by effectively exposing your own subscription endpoints and then you're being asked to subscribe to something. And then as you are being asked to subscribe to something that is not within your domain, you can then go and look around and see where else you can go and subscribe to that. So that's something that you can do inside of your solution. There's also an interaction that we have to go and investigate and that is with the registry because before you have to, can you subscribe to, before you know that there is an event to subscribe to, right?  The consumer in the cloud first needs to be aware that there's an event that they can go and subscribe to which means there has to be some catalog propagation down to that level which comes from, which effectively flows down from the device in some way into a common catalog from where you can go and query that. And once you have that catalog, then you have, in that catalog, I expect it to be a URI where you can walk up to and say for this particular event, from this particular source, you can go to this endpoint and ask for a subscription and that could quite well be the cloud gateway thing which then does effectively with that subscription, does a translation and then walks up to the gateway through some proprietary path initially to go and do this because ultimately there's a synchronization protocol that is needed. Now we're effectively looking in this whole game, we're looking at three APIs or three interfaces. One is the discovery interface, one is the subscription interface and the third one would then be this synchronization, subscription synchronization API and I'm a little afraid of that because of the complexity. I'm not sure we, I would rather want to go and solve the first two first and then take a look at actually what we need. If I can make, yeah, go ahead, sorry. I think the discovery part is not necessarily needed. So if I look at it right now, Event Grid does know what exactly will be sent over the wire or what the event types will be and so on, but it doesn't really matter as long as the one who creates the subscription and the filter knows. So you can add a filter at Event Grid, Event Grid doesn't know what the filter does, but Event Grid can forward this filter to the initial producer and then it's fine. So you don't necessarily need the discovery, you just, the end consumer needs to know what the publisher is actually producing. The middle verb does not necessarily have to, obviously it's nice if you have all that, but I don't think it's required. Yeah, we have a protocol like that for first party event sources. So we can surface that and talk about this, but that's, as I said, that was also part of this discussion and we decided that that's not out, but it's kind of not the first thing we want to go and take a look at as a group. But I'm happy to take a look at it. Okay, I get the point, it's not the first thing. Yeah, exactly, that's all, so it's not scoped out at all. Yeah, I think the problem to maybe make the point a little bit better, the problem for me is that I know there will be, I don't know, 10, 20 developers sitting who consume my events through, let's say, Event Grid. And one of those will have created the initial subscription from my platform to Event Grid and that person has the domain knowledge what goes over this wire or through this connection, but then the nine other guys, they don't know. And so they see, okay, I can subscribe, I don't know, to orders that works, now I'm trying to subscribe to events from products that doesn't work, why does it not work? So for them, that gets very confusing very quickly, you know. And that's where the catalog will help because that will give you certainty that you should be able to query that endpoint and say, what is available here? That's true, yeah, right now with Event Grid, if you have a third party API and you push, Event Grid doesn't know, it just, you have to write a filter that's correct and yeah. I literally answered an email today, to me, that said, you know, how are we gonna go and solve that problem? I said, we're talking about this in the Cloud Events Working Group, but I'll be happy to report back in two or three months. Okay. Two or three months, that was open for weeks. Well, I'm just trying to be realistic here, Doug. Okay, I can look, okay, two or three months, be one, we're all set, okay, good. Okay, sorry for not joining the call, maybe I should have brought the discussion up there. It's all good. Any other questions or comments for comments? I think, Klaus, you came off mute there for a minute, did you wanna say something? Oh, that was actually, well, just to mention that, to Christoph that my motivation for this was also similar. So we have this multi-cloud use case with different eventing infrastructures we wanna maybe integrate somehow. Okay, cool. Any other questions for Clemens or comments? Ginger or Heinz, sorry. That's a big confusion difference. Well, on my screen, it popped up under Ginger for some reason for a split instant. I'm assuming that was a bug in Zoom, sorry, I apologize, Ginger. I didn't mean to scare you like that. We look very similar online. So, Heinz, you're gonna do it. Yeah, just wondering there's, since it doesn't relate a lot to the messaging, there's a lot of discussion where it almost gives me the impression that this is a static kind of subscription. However, in most of the messaging, case in point, it's something like the MQTT, there is a hierarchical kind of definition of what these topics are going to be that the data's traveling around and they are, in some cases, it may be, for example, one of the fields is actual data that's changing constantly. Wouldn't this kind of make it difficult for your subscription model? If one of the fields may be model number or something where there's 100, if not potentially thousands, which is why they've introduced concepts such as wild carding and such, and then you have the other two which will add difficulty, which are temporary subscription topics, which are required for point-to-point, where I would do a request out on a subscription, but the reply back has to be almost like a unicast with a temporary topic, which, again, how do you subscribe to those? And then the issue of the, excuse me, well, I guess those are the big two, is, well, actually there's also temporary subscriptions that are in many of these messaging models as well. So how are we gonna differentiate between like a static catalog and discovery, which is simple versus a lot of these messaging layers where they are hierarchical and many of those fields are potentially different on every message. For example, in the financial world, the actual trade on the financial trade is one of the fields. So how do you know what to subscribe to? That would kind of screw up your discovery in your catalog. Yeah, so that's why I'm, that's actually why I'm looking to describe the native subscription capabilities of the existing transports and what's in standard there. So you can look at what the portfolio is of options that already exist and then have, and then also describe the, deliver into scenarios or the push scenario, so that you have a portfolio of options you can go and take a look at. So what we're doing with the cloud events, mapping, for instance, to MQP is, but also to MQP D5 is that every time you want to promote some data for the middleware to look at, you write an extension. So you can, if you want to go and create an event feed and you want to distribute that event feeds using filters that act on the stock symbol, you can do that by promoting effectively the stock symbol into an extension on the cloud event. And then that gets mapped to an application property in MQP and it gets mapped into a user property in MQTT and it gets mapped to a header in HTTP. And then if you go and take the event stream for the market feed and push that into and you direct that effectively into a, let's say, MQP topic, then there is this particular MQP gesture that you can go and then use to tap into the MQP stream and pull the data out. And that's something that, those combinations, one of the goals that we had initially with cloud events is to combine things and not reinvent the wheel. So what I would try not to do is to create a Uber subscription model that works for all protocols but effectively let the protocols be what they are and let them play their strengths. And MQTT is really good in having hierarchical subscriptions and if that's a model that works for you then go and use those. MQP is really good at at least the implementations that we have and we've been working on making the filtering model standard in MQP so that's currently in draft state. And having more complex rules, JMS is the JMS message selectors is the common denominator there right now. And so I think letting the message broker do what they do best is great and for us to kind of align with that makes more sense. So we just need to have the common infrastructure, we need to effectively define how a cloud event user ought to go and use those. Does that make sense?  I'll get the class in a second. I want you to finish the conversation first. Well again, it sort of makes sense but I think you're opening a can of worms where again to use your MQTT case you have two issues. One is you need to understand the fully qualified hierarchy for the publisher where you can't really divorce that. And on the subscriptions you're back into the use of wild carding on the subscriptions to deal with the fact that fields obviously could be rotating on a per message basis. So it's almost like you need to, because what we've done for example, we take in our cataloging, here's the event where you define that event, you associate a schema, which we're also then looking at the cloud events, but we also then need is the subscription that you need to receive those events, which includes wild cards and some understanding of the canonical format of the producer to be able to figure out when you receive that what are those wild carded fields represented as. So it's actually, you know, your interaction is actually incredibly complex at that point. If you look at it up, it's multiple protocols, right? But we have, so we have protocol bindings today for how cloud events works in general. Like we have mappings of the cloud events to protocols. And so we went through the exercise of making those fits fit. And if we say, if we publish into the, if we publish into the catalog, that a particular kind of event or group of events is available, you know, per entry in the catalog over MQTT, then it's quite possible for there to be two or three fields which are particular to MQTT, which then designate the topic name and then potentially designate some pattern matching for how the selector information is mangled into the topic name. And similarly, I think you can do something similar for AMRP where instead of having a topic name as you have an MQTT, you have an address, a note name, and then you might have some hint on what the filtering is. So I think there's a, if you publish an event source, you also have to indicate what that event source means in terms of like, how do you talk to that event source and talk to that event source is not necessarily always HTTP, but it might quite well be also MQP. And if you have MQP or have MQTT, then there's a custom set of properties that you then go and look at and use, have your client use those to go and attach to that source. So I don't think that's that incredibly complicated. So close your hands up. Yeah, so I think it was the first point Heinz mentioned about how dynamic values can be. During the first part when we were talking about discovery, I wanted for a source if in all cases, it's easy to list the source someone provides or if I don't know, I think in the early days, we had the examples of a source being something like the URL of a pull request or something like this. So it really depends how you define this context of the occurrence, how you define your source or if you would need some kind of pattern to actually list sources in this catalog. Okay, any other questions or comments for Clemens or for anybody on the subscription sub team? Okay. Is there anything else relative to this document at all in either section that people would like to talk about? So otherwise we'll end the call early. Okay, not hearing anything. Thank you, Mike and Clemens for updating us where you're at, I appreciate that. Is there any other business people would like to bring up on the call today? If not, one time, last roll call. I think I got everybody except these three folks. Christian, are you there? Yes, I am. Okay. And Chen, are you there? Oh wait, Chen vanished. What about Falco? Yes, I'm here. Okay. And did I miss anybody else from roll call? Okay, and Clemens, were you just trying to say something in there? Or actually did we drop, we lost Clemens, you vanished. Okay, all right, last chance. Any other topics people wanna bring up before we adjourn? All right, thank you guys. We'll talk again next week. Have a good one. Bye Doug. Bye. Thank you, bye. Bye, thanks. Bye.


What's good jobs boy Ross back again with another video, so we're gonna check out the biggest wrestling degenerate man This should be an interesting one not sure Who it's specifically about but we're about to find out Yeah There are some degenerates in the wrestling community man a lot of them actually and not even just in the wrestling community Just in the world in general, so we're gonna check this out. See what's going on here This is by top 10 wrestling. Make sure you go subscribe to them. I'm already subscribed to them. They drop some definitely a Creative and well informative Wrestling related content, so make sure you go subscribe to a link to the original video will be down below Let's get right into this one. Recently I posted a video titled the death match wrestling degenerates and I got a lot of comments asking why I didn't include a man Named Ian Rotten now. I had no idea who Ian Rotten was but upon research I might have just found one of the biggest wrestling degenerates out there and He needs his own video today I'm gonna tell you all about Ian Rotten a former wrestler and founder of IWA Mid-South before we get into it though be sure to like and subscribe You do enjoy the video. I'll give you the count of three to do that That is not good at all. Let's get into the video Can't be out here scamming Ian Rotten debuted in 1990 and for the first couple years in his career Would wrestle mainly around the Maryland and Texas territories going by the name Johnny Lawler storyline son of Jerry the King Lawler he debuted for ECW in 1993 and his name was changed what we know it as today of Ian Rotten He was paired with Axel Rotten and they would go under the tag team name of the new breed Sorry, I'm literally recording it now and I've just realized it's the bad breed the new breed was like Elijah Burke's stable in WWE CW he wrestled an ECW until 1995 mainly used as a tag wrestler But towards the end of his ECW career was wrestling a few singles death matches and also began to make appearances for IWA Japan for shadowing he wrestled for more indies and for BJW in Japan before 1996 and after being fired from ECW Ian Rotten moved to Kentucky and in the year of 1996 He would found IW a mid-south a hardcore car crash indie promotion that mainly used old ECW guys And would run various death match events and matches They ran around the Kentucky area until the year 2000 when IW a mid-south moved to Indiana and the next decade for I'm laughing because man.  I get it. It has this is niche It's like the wrestling community also has niche communities within the community, which is crazy As I've gotten older it's like I Don't know. Maybe I've gotten softer in that sense I don't know man. It's just something about seeing somebody, you know Purposely mutilate themselves for our entertainment. It's quite shocking But after a while you can get desensitized to it It's always crazy when you see something you don't see it often It has more of a lasting effect. So it just it's funny that this has always been a thing You know, it's always been part of that subgenre of wrestling. It's just crazy that you know That it is a thing like people love the car the death matches They love that the car crashes pretty much in a sense. IW a mid-south just some absolute craziness would go down The year 2000 saw Dave Prezac make numerous appearances as a manager for IW a mid-south And he was instrumental in bringing in top indie talent for the company Chris hero CM punk and his best friend Just to name a few it will be this year that Chris hero and CM punk had a 92 minute match Which is regarded as one of the greatest indie wrestling matches ever and yeah for the next decade IW a mid-south just did stuff like crazy The music doesn't match the violence.   Yeah Maybe there was something talked about. Hey, we're gonna do this or whatever, but holding someone Head against some ladders while someone steps on it It's wild hitting someone as hard as you can with crutches is wild having a son Hit them with a weapon as well. Can those stick whatever is wild? I'm just Very uncomfortable watching all that I was in the nine and following the show. That's what would happen It was the farewell show for IWA Mid-South Until November of that year when it was announced that IWA Mid-South wasn't closing down and would return with smaller budget shows So basically this is something that Ian Rotten did a lot He would announce that a show would be the company's last so that it would sell out quick And then you'd have the money to run more shows and pretty much just had zero intention of that show actually being the last the entire time Yeah, something he did frequently and you're about to hear more about it a year and a half later after its return in March 2011 It was announced again that IWA Mid-South would be closing down But yep, you guessed it IWA Mid-South returned three months later But this time they had returned under new ownership Ian Rotten was no longer promoting which is seemingly a step in the right direction for IWA Mid-South a good move for them But guess what? IWA announced that they were closing down again, and then in July of 2013 Ian Rotten announced that IWA Mid-South was back and that he was also back as the promoter of it all again What was actually the point and in case you're wondering IWA have not changed Going into the 2020s They were heavily criticised for running wrestling shows in the height of the pandemic with fans in attendance and no social distancing At the time when not even AEW and WWE were at the point of having fans in attendance yet Their world champion Jake Chris posted to Twitter just last year Demanding that Ian Rotten pay him in a statement and also posted a video of him burning his IWA belts that he currently holds IWA's response to this they cancelled all their upcoming events leaving them on a hiatus yet again Will they come back? known their history? Yeah, probably, but that's more or less the story of IWA Mid-South Hopefully so far, but as for Ian Rotten There's still more to discuss with this guy because once again this guy is just a degenerate So without further ado, here's a list of more things that Ian Rotten did. He's shot on other wrestlers Yes, Mike Levi wasn't the only one he did it to Peter be beautiful in 2001 in a match against him and did the same to Diehard Stephen Lee he allegedly has hepatitis C Which is very worrying as he blades and pretty much every match he does and bleeds profusely all over his opponents Oh, yeah, and speaking of shoots remember that Mickey Knuckles girl from before who was part of the Mike Levi match Well, she broke her leg on an IWA Mid-South show in a very gruesome moment It's probably one of IWA Mid-South's most watched and most well-known moments And it's also a moment that Rotten supposedly promised Knuckles. He wouldn't release and as you just heard me say Yeah, it's probably one of the most well-known IWA Mid-South clips of all time So, you know how that went generally Rotten is just a carney falsely advertising his shows Shooting on rookies using untrained wrestlers not paying wrestlers booking himself to go over people and beat people up he's just an overall scumbag he got wrestlers banned from various venues and Finally, perhaps the worst of it all is that Ian Rotten often worked with JC Bailey Who was a death match wrestler who tragically passed away in 2010 due to a brain aneurysm caused by his concussion history He had his problems with drugs and allegedly Ian Rotten was no help to this and used to pay him in Drugs to be on his shows. It's just pure scumbaggery, isn't it? Well, IWA Mid-South is probably gonna come back. Here's hoping Ian Rotten does not come back with them Yeah, nah, that's kind of messed up, bro. If the rumors are true Is is one of those things where it's like some people shouldn't be involved in the wrestling community especially when it comes to promoting setting up things trying to you know, you know Sell, you know tickets and just being a part of that all of that They shouldn't be a part of like some people try to take advantage and for you to go out there and legitimately shoot on someone a rookie and Legitimately probably gives them a concussion for whatever the reason is because you just feel like you have the power to and they're young They don't know anything or they're new to the wrestling biz. That's not cool. It's not cool I'm sure it happens in other Wrestling companies and well not just this one, but yeah, he's definitely From just from that just from that alone not really protecting your wrestlers, you know people that you hire or what not Not get it all man comment down below Let me know man. Do y'all know any other wrestling degenerates That you may want me to check out from once again, I got to give the shout out to the homie Top 10 wrestling if there's any other videos or wrestling degenerates or You know people that you want me to check out that he's done like a little little docuseries on them or you know talked about them Let me know. I definitely will link it down below Once again, go follow the homie you will subscribe to his channel top 10 wrestling linked to the original video Also be down below, but I appreciate all of the sport row 250 k9 I'm still gonna speed a YouTube wrestling champ up the world. Appreciate y'all kicking me. See you next one. Peace


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This is the SF Productions podcast network This Tuesday at 6 Wednesdays at 10 Thursdays at 3 at Darren Pamela Ferdin Another Burgess Meredith show welcome to the place your parents didn't understand the world of 60s and 70s television Welcome to vast wasteland Welcome home. It's wasteland the video journal of 60s and 70s TV. I'm Mark Schmidbar along with Robert Neil and Marty Well, tonight on the big extravaganza, we're gonna be doing Miss Galenius cartoon shows stuff We haven't covered in all the other cartoon shows. We've done and we sure hope you enjoy it But first just want to tell you we're on Tuesdays at 6 Wednesdays at 10 and Thursdays at 3 p.m. Here on a CTV If you want to write to us you want to write to box 15 14 11 Columbus, Ohio four three two one five Came right out your mouth right there So Let's talk about Miss Galenius cartoon shows Well when the big studios were slapping together stuff like Bugs Bunny and and Mickey Mouse and You know, there were other people had to put together the little things the little studios the little guys in the industry You know, they just had to get out there and put together whatever they could usually usually tended to be people that were Like outcasts from other companies or people who got sick and tired of working for some guy like Walt Disney or something I'll have Bob cartoons I So well, which one do you want to talk about first? Well by galley speaking of Bob. There's Bob Clampett. Oh, yeah And of course Bob Clampett's big cartoon was beanie and seesaw Let's let's let's see if we can find some information on beanie and seesaw. Well, it was about a kid named beanie See-thaw That's about it And they had that that that boat I Had a hat and you pulled the beanie copter and that's how beanie would get right, you know, it's like And there was a bad guy Yeah And it's probably with a more clever cartoon right it was it was during the same era as like bullwinkle Really, and it had kind of the same kind of of feeling to it, you know, there was kind of like the two There was kind of like two different levels Like the the very Kidlike thing, you know the kid joke and they were the adult jokes on the other level so you could really enjoy them either way Yeah Of course it seems like all those shows they've tried to redo And so there was just recently a beanie and seesaw Saturday morning show like maybe a year or two ago something like that and it was really bad Well, it wasn't real bad Well, well based on Based on what was on one saturday morning. It was wonderful That's not saying much today saturday morning is pretty bad Yeah, well, they you're you're falling into the bad thing of on one hand you got your um Your your half hour long toy commercial and on the other hand you've got the um The parents who say there's too much violence on tv. We need happy little things Yes It was darn blue things They love and share And The beanie and seesaw was merchandise But it wasn't a half hour cart It was a cart too that went a half hour commercial because there was the seesaw doll Yeah, we've had on here before and there was a talking one There was a talking and there was the little hat like I had that you actually pulled the string and the beanie copter flew away And they might have had a puppet that had like the three of them on there And maybe they saw this john too, but that was it I don't know this one's strong Yeah, uh, that is I this honest shot. Well, that's my hand, but And it ain't too honest neither He was he was just a your your your average snidely whiplash kind of guy He had the mustache and everything. There's another reference to another cartoon, which I think we've talked about before Yeah I had a well that's neither here nor there. Well anyway editing himself Well, let's see, uh, right. Well, let's see. Let me let me run back here because there was Thing here talking about mats fun day funnies, which was a harvey thing and The harvey thing the harvey things they came out later, but um They was let me see the cartoons were all reruns of old harvey material Right Okay, and I always always consider harvey to be one of the also rands of not only one of the comic book But the animation industry, you know They just knew all their characters. Can you talk harvey? You got casper Baby, he was didn't know. Oh, I know a casper rumor. Yeah, okay casper rumor This is a story that's told to me is supposed to be the honest truth about casper the friendly ghost Yes, there is supposedly allegedly a little cartoon out there the first one And and allegedly it shows how casper became a ghost.  I don't know. I don't know. It's supposed to be out there A lot of the studios they don't make of course they don't publicize us a lot But almost all the studios even today tend to make these little in-house things just to amuse themselves and they're usually pretty raunchy I suspect that might be one of those because you really can't see it and here's how casper Casper came to be with a black boy hit by a bus. Good night Yes, somehow I hadn't actually heard that story there's a little Audrey and buzzy the crow tolly turtle catnip and herman catnip and herman basically another Tom and Jerry One of the many Well, I'll go don't make my own Tom and Jerry my own cat and mouse show. Oh show them. That's right.  Yeah, he was a duck. He was a great big fat duck Well, I knew a child that would like him.  Yeah, one of the many terry tubes. Let's talk about them Well, let's let's finish up. Okay. Casper and all these guys. What else you got? There's windy the little witch the the good little witch and spooky the bad little ghost And the ghostly trio The nightmare the horse. That's right. They just went through the whole Superman thing here They just got all these darn now and they keep I think Casper is coming back in me. He probably is He's never really left. Well, but I think I mean he's a ghost like new Casper stuff coming. That's what I've heard Oh, he's still gotta play T-shirt now You know, well now I have to be like, you know little Casper Now maybe we'll get to see how he became Casper You have a little Casper and little Wendy's can handle it.  It'll be something like that It seems like that's what they all did seven morning cards.  Well, you know Casper's a ghost. He's got your basic figure eight A big old head. He looks like the shoe or something That's true. He's a friendly ghost. That's right. But everyone's afraid of him because he's a ghost. Yeah Yeah, it's like he saved somebody. It's like in Adam and object see him and they're scared There's a thing that bugs me and this and this seems to happen through all the ghosts not just Casper the idea Casper is you know, everyone everyone's afraid of him because he's a ghost And and he's and he's passing through everything and suddenly like he pulls some kid from out of from behind You know like a car's getting hit him or something, you know, maybe in retribution of his What? Oh, he keeps saying it's a waiter. He was passing through everything. How did he grab the kid? Maybe there's like ghosts I just flashed on the on ghosts there just as I was saying there that explained it. Yeah, thank you Okay, I guess that's enough of the Casper and the ghostly thing there. That's right. Okay, and you wanted to talk about him About the terry tune. Yeah, terry tunes, all right And what else did they do? Mighty Mouse Mighty Mouse was opera for a little while Oh and they brought Mighty Mouse back Mighty Mouse got in trouble. Yeah, it was a great cartoon. It was one of the best It was one of the best Saturday morning cartoons ever I would stack it up against It gets bullwink all against, you know, like the good Flintstones, the early Flintstones Of course Columbus doesn't get it until it's like older, but I got to see some smuggled up from another city Yeah, well, I'll never forget the one where they opened up the This is this is the new Mighty Mouse. They opened up the pizza pan or pizza box and the little dog came out with a tire track down the road I'm mashing it down I got to have this, this is funny Yeah, and of course they got in trouble because Because Mighty Mouse was sad or or something and he was feeling down and he was in this in this, uh Like a area of daisies some sort of field of daisies and he smells these daisies and he feels better and people said he's sniffing cocaine I don't get it. He's sniffing flowers. Come on. It's a cartoon. It's a cartoon. Just just stop it So kids are going to go out and sniff flowers and get high apparently the same way kids kids are going to like drop anvils on each other They're going to jump off cliffs.   Well, obviously the Popeye thing doesn't work. The rest of this doesn't work It's all just cartoons just about everybody and except the very very people If you just have your kids, you know, have them have have a little bit of spinach And then see if they can beat up their bigger brother if they can't and they won't be able to Hey, I didn't get the arms. So it didn't work. Yeah You know Yeah That whole Popeye thing, you know, uh, so once you figure that doesn't work, right Other stuff must not work either. That's right. I was never attracted to olive oil There's bogus that bogus Well, we'll have we'll have a bigger chance to see more Popeye now Now that that darn cartoon channel is coming for those of you don't know the cartoon network is supposed to start October 1st And it's another one of these another one of these Turner deals So they're gonna apparently they have enough cartoons now because he bought Hannah Barbera He bought Warner Brothers and he bought, um, mgm stuff. You know, what's nice about it He doesn't just put it in a closet somewhere Right. He just shows it to death until you can do the lines and you're sick of it So so now they say they have enough cartoons that they could show it Continuously from October 1st to like December 5th 24 hours a day and not repeat Three months of cartoons, hey, that's right That's a cool now buy that for a quarter Maybe look into some of those obscure Warner Brothers ones from the 30s that virtually any of the companies that The ones from the early 30s the really racist ones It seemed like that those anyway But the ones you see on tv aren't nearly as bad as the ones you don't see anymore No, I don't think anybody shows Bosco Not much Now there was an obscure cartoon since we're talking about obscure cartoons I don't know how many of you guys saw Roger ramjet and his eagles flying for our freedom Oh, hey, Roger ramjet. He's our man hero of our nation. He has adventure. Just be sure and stay tuned to this station Yeah, we know Roger. I got that on um A kid's show that was produced in Dayton. So I lived between Dayton and Cincinnati. I got both wonderful cities lasting for the side So this was a show called uncle ory show, which was like an afternoon Every every market has yeah playing it. Well, they used to have them now they have now they got obnoxious people Like soothing at the kids club. Let's go to a children's hospital. Let's see what happens if you break your arm. Okay No, no, no stay in the studio. You want pies in the face. That's what you want pies in the face Dr. Bottles. That's what we want. Yeah, that booger diddle with his booger jokes Well, Booger diddle is funny. That bum's a cool guy. I've met bum. He's a he's a great guy But Roger ramjet, I don't know where Roger ramjet came from because the only place I saw it was on The uncle ory show coming out of Dayton. I don't know what company even did though that that's a that's a one of the more obscure Of course, even more obscure what I've mentioned before that I caught on a little station that came out of somewhere I don't even know where It was a UHF station back when nobody had UHF stations and it was batfink Now I've heard of this and that's all I've heard that exists And I was too young to be doing drugs so I know there was a cartoon called batfink That's what we figured Please, if you heard of this cartoon I can't immediately We went confirmation this thing exists I need it, I really do The bad thing, the terrible trick that parents play on their children as they sit them in front of that TV And they're too young to they're too young to get up and write things down Who did this show? What voices are on what what production company? You just sit there and watch it and then years later you're doubting your sanity I figured this must have been about 67 or 68 I'm figuring it was right around in there. Maybe as late as 69, but it couldn't have been somewhere It was well, was that at the same time as um a little as uh, what's his name the uh, the uh, yeah Oh, okay Yes, Tom Slick George of jungle and super chicken. They were they were they were three great ones. Yeah, we've talked about them before too Oh, yeah, we talked about the whole because they were a part of that. Oh captain crunch thing Captain crunch universe There's one we see jeez. We got it. We can't we can't forget talking about Oh What's going on? You know it's actually a lot again I think it's got it Yeah, but until this year Goes up a bar and here for underdog Not that we like Now maybe underdog was a bad The secret entrapment of my ring. I feel with an underdog super energy Underdog energy vitamin pill it became later super chicken drink acid or something What I was gonna say was Until this year just made him think he was better It seemed like like uh cbs and all the networks every year they do their Saturday morning And they'd come out with some dopey idea. They keep getting dopey every year And and they cancel them because they were getting virtually like zero test patterns were getting better ratings And and so what do they do every year around february mart suddenly they start slipping in bullwinkle Slipping in underdog slipping in more bugs bunny. Yeah, they come back to the classics That's it's basically what your networks are doing except networks. They've got so much fodder that comes in, you know All the little shows that don't get it into the fall and they say well, we'll try this one. Yeah, try that again We'll try this one. But underdog will we work it? Yeah, but underdog. He says he's a very standard Underdog your tennessee tuxedo in chumlee And that one that one that one was sneaky though because you'll learn something you had to learn something We're gonna teach you something And mr. Whoopi, I'm sure it's out of bounds. Yeah, thank you, mr. Whoopi We're gonna make the out of bomb now Gee chumlee, don't you get sick of him teaching this stuff? How do we get back into how do we get back to the zoo? Oh here. I've invented this catapult Well, they usually had a slingshot or catapult or something. We're all trying to leave the zoo sneak out to do something come back You flip one there in the book that that Oh, I just found tennessee tuxedo And then the turtle well tutor the turtle Deep in the forest There's a tall tall tree used to be a short tree But it uh grew and down the bottom of this tree is a little old box, which is really the home of mr. Wizard the lizard Yeah, mr. Wizard the lizard He would he would do some magical things and shrink tutor down and bring him into that box and boy He did send tutor all kinds of plays he's There is a little drowsy Mr. Wizard, I think I made a mess of things again Oh, there is a little drowsy drowsy drowsy Time for this one to come home Gee mr. Wizard I messed up real bad All too good. It's just like I always tell you be just what you is not what you is not folks What does this it's the happiest lot? Amazing. Yeah Magoo there Magoo we've talked a little bit about magoo on that on our holiday special, but we never talked about the the regular magoo Yeah, there was a regular magoo a big magoo before he became the famous actor and did all the ever Who are the big studios and realize what I tell him You know he has to do the classics, you know him and him and Olivier pretty much Famous adventures of mr. Magoo Because he had enough you that got left out of the classics, you know, what was there Waldo? Yeah, who had to like kind of bail is behind Every time because magoo basically was blind as it could be that that was pretty much the one the one joke concept Mr. Magoo is a blind old guy Stupid stuff and well it was amusing It was just shows how how easily we were amused that's right. This one this one card this one um one joke one joke basically Over and over and over lasted him a whole year whole year Well, in the same basic time period we had the Alvin show Yeah Alvin this is the Alvin show the Alvin show Much of um A dynasty now. Yeah. Oh really? There's Alvin, there's a lot of shows. Because they brought them back and now they're singing rock stuff because but they brought them back And they made it just too cute. Yeah, they made it too cute. They made a movie even. This is how they really look This is how they were like they were like drawing real fast. Yes It all started basically with that with that um which doctor saw Yeah Anyway, that and that turned into uh, what was there um that hula hoop that christmas song. Yeah, I want the hula hoop When you ready Alvin Alvin Okay Okay, okay. What was that? What was the perspective there where the chipmunks like really big chipmunks are where all the people just really really small Well, it was like the chipmunks started off being small. Yeah, they actually were small but then somewhere along the uh grew Amazing clothes on them and stuff. Yeah I guess that was another one of those parental things. You can't have naked chipmunks running around That's just Well, donald duck he never put no pants on But then well, you look at donald He probably didn't find a pair of pants Now george jesson has pants and he looks pretty much like donald duck That's amazing. He was on the donald's like He ate donald duck And There was one there was another obscure one that they didn't have on for very long um When amos and andy went from radio to television There was suddenly a big outcry because I mean it was always pretty much a racist concept But in the 30s, no one seemed to mind but when they brought it to television It didn't seem to work very well. So they reformulated into calvin and the kernel Which is which is the exact same show concept except well now it's the animals instead But it wasn't very funny. So it didn't last very long I thought the calvin and the kernel was kind of made by the same people that went on to do um Hoppy Hooper and all that well, I might well done. I didn't see that But I had a toad named hoppy I just saw I was so inspired Next page I never saw it, but I but I keep reading it. I remember calvin and the kernel base actually Gee, it was um it was actually from 61 to 62 just about a year And it was done by the people who did the same voices as amos and andy. This was the same voices Okay, um, let's see the amos and andy comedy depicting a mischievous pair of black men Racial stereotype was no long permitted. So they did calvin and the kernel That's right story of a sly friendship of a sly fox and a simple bear That's not like the stereotype to me Sly shawawa He is an asma han chawawa Be clear on that We don't want to offend his breed That's right, but is it mine? All right Happy happy Thing that just makes it so funny is peter lorry and uh And larry fine What a comedy troupe what a comedy pair. Well, that's an obscure cartoon that's just First down become huge. That's right There's another one that's that's today that's obscure that fox has that howie mendel does called bawby's world I've seen which is really pretty neat. Yeah, which is really it's I mean like I said it's obscure, but And that's and that's what we like on Vast Wasteland So Next time on Vast Wasteland, it's sports tv Well, that's it Vast Wasteland. We'll see you next time. Come on everybody


Hi, she was seven. I'm back So I put out a video, but I did not upload it. I thought it was too harsh So I'm gonna pull it back in and let's talk about mirroring your partner mirroring your man mirroring your woman being a reflection of them. Okay, this is how you Enter into a relationship This is how you maintain a relationship and a marriage and this is what keeps Everyone in the relationship Equal and happy as far as treatment. Okay So when a lot of people will quote memes and things and have no idea what they mean, okay? I've seen some memes that says you are your partner's reflection and that's so true But a lot of people take it in a bat or a negative way Or they take it to a good place so I want to take it to an in-between place because That's where you can get the results you really want. Okay For example, if you're having issues or problems dating Someone who's not calling or texting you back or putting you as a priority You already know you're not the priority, but oh, I want to be a priority So you just start doing the exact same thing to them as they do to you When they do get around to texting you don't get all excited and like oh my god He takes finally after all these years or after all these, you know hours. Don't get excited. Don't even text back Okay, do the same thing That he did to you and then he's gonna start feeling the same way you felt Okay, and when he feels what you felt Then he understands that he's not supposed to do that again, okay? And if he doesn't get the picture and he doesn't realize then obviously there are other people and other things that are more important than you so, you know Mirror your partner's image Mirror what they're doing mirror how they treat you mirror, you know if they look good Keep yourself together, you know, don't let them have all the glory and shine You know do something nice for yourself as well.  Don't let yourself go either ladies, okay? So you want to be Reflective of them.   Oh my god, they they said they love me, but I don't know if I love them yet Well, you could say you know what I have very strong emotional bond to you as well You know and be honest if you don't love that person don't mirror fake love back Because this is the problem. Okay a lot of men understand that if they just utter some words Oh, I love you or I love you too. They can get pretty much anything they want From the woman Okay, but you have to remember ladies Men don't always mean when they say they love you they mean they love what you can do for them What you're doing for them? They love you because it's gonna get them what they want.  Love It's I love you for now I'm telling you that because I know that's what you want to hear and I'm gonna get what I want So when you tell someone you love them you need to also You know understand that they might not be ready to love you back Sorry y'all so if they're not ready to love you back Don't tell them if you know you know the signs when they're not ready to love you back You know the signs. They don't text. They don't pay attention to you.  I love you. You're the one for me You know, and he's not saying it back you know You have to mirror your partner's image if he's not getting ready to say I love you and you know That he doesn't feel that way about you. Don't say it first. Mm-hmm. You wait You wait until he proves it and says it to you first, okay? And chances are a lot of women are afraid that their men will never tell them they love them So they have to go and do it first, but that's that's the wrong way.  He only took two weeks.  Da-da-da, you know, I love you Like what? so when it comes like that then you can start falling in love or You know mirroring the love and affection that you're getting from this person, okay? But if you gotta force it and squeeze it out of somebody and say it first and hope and pray that there's they feel the same way You're doing it in the wrong order that let them go first then you Think about how you want to feel about this person. Okay, this is where a lot of women mess up Okay, also like if you're dating and then all of a sudden things stop, you know Being as grand and happy and you know loving as they once were then you also mirror the same image Now if he's pulling away from you you pull away from him if he's not calling you as much don't call him You know, if he's not taking you out on dates don't go on dates with him go on dates with other people, you know and What I'm saying is Mirroring someone's image is showing them who they are and how they're treating you and if they don't like it It's that means they're not doing something right and all all you have to do is say look why I'm just doing what you're doing to me You know, I'm only mirroring you You're not asking me out on Friday night anymore. You're not taking me out. You're not You know putting me as a priority. You're not answering my texts I'm not a doormat. You know before you came along. I was doing great. So You know and you're slacking. I'm gonna slack.   Oh, what's wrong.  You supposed to work for me, baby. Okay. That's what you tells it because it's the truth if You're dating a man. He's courting you You're not courting him. Okay a lot of people Think dating means being equal pain. Have to check that that's not dating. That's going Dutch Okay, if a man is dating you he's courting you which means he's trying to impress you once you are not impressed anymore You are free to go You are free to go. You're like, okay. Well, I'm done with you. Thanks for trying. You didn't make the cut Adios, you know, and if they if they realized, oh, I made a mistake. They're gonna start getting back Doing the things that they were doing trying to impress you trying to trying to win you over Okay, and a lot of men will say oh women are so entitled. We don't have to win women over The ones worth having you do. Okay, the women worth having have to be won over.  I think scottie pippen's wife left him cheated on him with Chance I'm sorry. Sorry future. Oh my god Sierra's ex And scottie pippen begged her to come back bought her a four million dollar ring, which I wish this ring was But our four million dollar ring and say, please baby come back. Okay certain type of women Know their value and they're not gonna compromise it. Okay And some women, you know, they don't have much value. So they have to find value in themselves in other places like Oh, she's a great Wife, she's a great mother. I can't imagine my life without her You know, and if you have the combination of all of it, you can call your own shops Okay, and if you're marrying what your spouse or Your significant other is doing Because i'm pretty sure scottie pippen probably cheated on her, which is why she cheated on him, right in front of the whole world He knows how it felt and he understand he forgave and he said, okay, look I see you. I did the same thing I could forgive you. Now you can forgive me. So basically she mirrored his actions In front of the world and got A four million dollar ring Her husband back and revenge all at the same time. Oh my god My new idol. Okay, I don't even know her name. I need to go look it up.  I'm just gonna say it I don't curse on my videos They're always losing their man to women who don't do anything Why? because they're a challenge you know You can't be overly Giving in any type of relationship.   They're not there yet, but you're pushing it on them, you know Let them come to you and if they don't come to you they don't feel that way about you Okay, a lot of women will try to make create this man that they want And that man is not ready to be created Okay, so it's important to mirror your partner in the beginning The middle and the end, you know if my husband is You know out shopping He'll call me. Hey, you want something from the store because I do the same to him You know or if my husband is you know bringing home something to eat You know from a restaurant or whatever He'll he knows what I like. He'll just bring it same with me. I do it.  Hey, you want to bring something? Yes, okay um So by mirroring and acting the same as your partner does whether it's good or bad Teaches them how to treat you. Okay So This is this is not really that complicated.   Okay, and I know some women I won't I like if if if I were ever cheated on I would go cheat But I would never tell him Because I always need that upper hand and that guilt to work with okay But if you're just bold and like scotty pippin's wife and know you can get paid and know you you can do better And upgrade, you know, you can pretty much call your own shots But if you're trying to keep the peace get revenge at the same time And mirror your partner do what you got to do. I don't I'm like I'm not for Oh, forgive him. Don't do what he did.  If he did it, you can do it Obviously the marriage marriage vows already been broken Okay, or the relationship, you know, if you're in a relationship with somebody and you find out they cheated on you Best believe men most women will go out and cheat behind your back.  Okay Um, I'm just being honest. I'm just being flat out honest I'm not trying to save face look like this Perfect person because I don't want to be perfect. That's hard work. Okay.    They're really looking at themselves because you only Mirrored what they did to you so they can't feel bad You know And if they do there's something wrong with them and they are the problem.  Do not go crazy on the on the phone texting texting check facebook Some of these women are obsessive to a point Where I understand Why some men will not respond to them because sometimes it's ridiculous Ladies you got to keep cool. You got to play the game. You can't Be all over the place spreading your feelings everywhere like butter. No, that's not how it works Okay, and those are the ones that get left Cheated on You know the ones who take it the worst, you know emotionally You got to be strong strategic smart and a reflection of your partner if you want them To be the best partner they can be. All right. I'll see you later. Bye


Earlier this week we told you about the Red Lake Elders Conference. Well today, Red Lake switched gears to focus on their teens with their 13th annual Youth Leadership Conference. The conference is open to anyone in Red Lake who is 14 and up. The three-day event focuses on empowering and educating. This year the theme is healing through culture. That means all the events will be focused on wellness with a Red Lake twist like Powwow Zumba, Moccasin making and hand drum making. The conference started with a ribbon skirt fashion show. The ideas that we got this year are from our youth. I didn't get these ideas just on my own. Our youth actually came up with these ideas and said, let's do this. So everything that's on our agenda is from our youth, from Red Lake. This year the Youth Conference will feature more than 10 speakers from all over the country. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.