Yo, yo, yo, man, hey man, check it man, hey, it's your boy, E-CEO, Boss Talk 101, say man, we coming down here to celebrate E's birthday with him. It's your birthday.  You got new music even in the hospital, man, you know what I'm saying? I got a studio under my bed.  We done did a few interviews now, man, you like my favorite interviewer, man. Like me and you, we just like hand and glove, man, we gonna make it work, you know what I'm saying?  Not at all. You know what I'm saying? I be noticing a lot of others sometimes, they be like, you know what I'm saying? Like, who is this? What they got? Who is this? It was just that I had already seen you just putting in work, and I know how it is, especially with this grind, for example, I can go to a concert, I can, I can drop a mixtape, I can drop a song, I can go to and get a feature.  To make sure other people want to be engaged with you, and sponsorships, and a lot of times people don't understand it. No, they don't. They think them as D-card chief.  You used to always come down and play our hometown, you would perform, so, but before that, it was in Jefferson, Georgetown. I'm from Smithland, but I always would be there with Big Tony, because that's my boy, but Marshall right up the street, that's what I'm saying. But the thing is, you always show man love to everybody in the South, man, like you do, man, so I always, I'm a true Southerner, so swinging and banging and all that stuff. I came up with that, so I just don't play about that. You know, when people mention they top five albums, that's one of my top five, and a lot of people don't do that because we from the South, I got to make it known. We ain't playing no games about these down here. You know what I'm saying? I sent a list on Instagram another day. It was the top 10 most influential albums out of Houston. Really? Man, once I seen number one and two, I just, I didn't want to see the rest of the list. Exactly, because I think it's going to be a little biased to age, to culture, to people where they from. They had face-out and get a boy there. Then everything else, a lot of the other stuff, we just like, you know, it took everything and me not to come in on that. I don't know why I should like, it felt like I got a pink ring on. This is my oxygen monitor. It took everything on me, like, you know what I'm saying? Not to say nothing. No, because I, you know, I got to overlook a lot of time, but that's what fueled me to go to a well more, you know what I'm saying?  Almost self destruct sometimes, you know what I'm saying? That's right, that's right.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do it on our own, so you got to be careful. So you got to be careful.  A bunch of things, yeah. And the reason he did it, I'm telling you, a journalist told me, a couple of times, they say, hey, as journalists and writers, we want to see you as the next representative of the South. As the same way, PMC, the Rick Ross stuff. Yeah, yeah. Because you never got your wisdom.  So I got, you know, I'm going to tap in just a little bit.  Say, look out, man, don't do that, man. We don't disrespect Gray. Just pray to live that. No, I can't. It's just for certain shows, because I cannot have.  Last year, when I had got a DWI, he didn't come up to me talking about what's up school. I said, hey, nigga, school, nigga, ain't nothing old school about me but some money. I'm talking about old school. They see Gray here, they think everybody's a school. I got a homeboy. They do me like that. He's 24 years old, he ain't full of Gray here. I would just do that for the youngsters who don't understand. Let me ask you this, man. I really like, like, with you going through what I interviewed you in Houston, where you were fighting counsel. You know, you were beating counsel at the time. Right. And so how did that end up, you know, for as far as, are you still dealing with that now? Man, I'm pretty much done with it, but there's a new drill. Right. Okay. How do you pronounce my name, Keith Trudeau? Keith Trudeau. Keith Trudeau, for example. So I got my chemo putt right here. Okay.  Okay.  And right before I was finished doing chemo, my back kept hurting. You see, that's what drove me to the hospital. I was like, man, my back kept hurting. And then all of a sudden, you know, I couldn't urinate. It was like, ah! Everything. Like, ah! Yeah. When I visited my mama, I go to the hospital.  I say, man, that ain't got burns. I say, it ain't dead. Yes. So when I get back to Houston and come to find out, I had a little bit of small tumor. Okay. Like in my bladder. In my bladder. So that's when they gave me the first med bags. And the Keith Trudeau, they say, I didn't need chemo. They say, I can take the Keith Trudeau and be seen, you know what I'm saying? And be that way because it was so small. Yeah. So I started taking the treatments. You come for our, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And they just stood IV. Yeah, IV in you. So after the second one, man, I peered like 30 times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In one, within an hour or two. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So the doctor was like, he was like, I got the doctor, like something wrong. He was like, nah, that's great. He said, I can't believe you're supposed to do that. He said, I mean, it's, it's shrinking out the way. Yeah. And so I had two treatments left. He said, after these two treatments, we should be fine. We should, you should be done. There's a company that's regulating insurance companies. Yeah. And what happened was the company, the company told my insurance company, we're going to no longer approve of the Keith Trudeau because it's really made for lung cancer. Yeah. And it's not proven that it works for other cancers. Yeah. But all the doctors know it works for other cancers. It works for other cancers. Yeah. And it costs them down thousands of shots. Oh, they're going to, they're going to get you. You know what I'm saying? So, so. It ain't going to be, you know, getting it easy. Yeah. So they was tripping on that. And then the, so you know, I don't have a man. At first, you know what I'm saying? I used to be in pain, pain, pain. And once I came home, there was no pain. You know what I'm saying? They tried to get me like, no cold. At first they tried to get me morphine pill. Yeah. I didn't understand. I did not understand what the doctor told me. But the doctor told me, he said, this is what it sound like, he said, take one in the morning, afternoon, in the evening, any night, any whenever. Like he wants you to come to the table. That's what he told. That's what it sound like he said. But what he really meant was, take one when you wake up. If you have any pain. Man, I took five of them. I'm in the truck like that. I don't know what the heck is going on. I was like, that's what's wrong with you? I was like, man, man, I tried to take me to the hospital. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? So, no colds.  They sent me back to the hospital twice. So, I just took straight time now. They told me to take some CBD edibles. You know what I'm saying? Wow. You were cool with that? I was great with that. But you know what I'm saying?  Them boys got high. Yeah. I don't like edibles. No, no. How they do you? Yeah. That's a stomach hot, man. I don't like them edibles. That's it. That's it. So, I just took straight time now and prayed. Boom. It felt good. It felt wonderful. You know what I'm saying?  I talked to maybe Sam a little bit about it yesterday.  He just have like a, like a, like something triggers it. I don't know what that'd be. And so, one time we was that call coming from my mama. You know what I'm saying? Like, say for example, like, like me and him. We all in the cup. Three to say we three D.  I don't know what it is. It could be certain things, certain things that might trigger. You feel me? And when it triggered me, if I go to the level, I just go to the level of, of almost being so angry or something that I blacked out. That's what he said yesterday. You know what I'm saying? And don't even know that I blacked out.  That, you know, when I was, when we was coming up in school, bro, in the school to Clayton, everybody they mama used to like smoke water. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That was a thing. Yeah. Like they are like a lot of them. A lot of other people like pop pills. I ain't like no pills. I ain't like, you feel me? I ain't doing it. But smoke, you know what I'm saying? Smoking. Water. Serious. Hitting lines. You feel me? I'm saying it was like a constant party.  Yeah. Yeah. And I went around certain people that was still doing it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So on this one particular day, this, this near that California. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. Man, let me hit it.  Watch this. I wake up. When I wake up, I'm sitting down. I'm at the house. I ain't, I wasn't at that house. I was at the house right there. So when I wake up, I'm sitting down.  My shirt wet.  Something to do like, man, ain't nothing else. I say, say my nigga, wait a minute, something ain't right.  Damn. The people next door, you know what I'm saying? I say, man, you know what I'm saying? He was out there. We, you know what I'm saying? We got out of the police. Was this when he was outside when they had recorded you? Right. He said, we got the police, you know what I'm saying?  So, you know what I'm saying?  What people don't, people don't understand is that's a certain thing we call dope deal. Yeah. Yeah. If you get too high. Yeah. Yeah. Like you might, you know, she might be, you might be more like that. The high you getting huge, huge, huge. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? Unfortunately, they caught me high with the dope deal. You know what I'm saying? But that day, everybody was concerned. And I, I, that was one concern. No, no, no. Real people was caught. I was because I got sent that. Because you're real. And I was like, what the heck is this? But I never, it never, it never went no further. But the thing was, I was like, okay, who out here with camera? And that's what I talked about. Because you're real. Like, gonna find out the little, it was one of them little youngsters.  That's the one I was asking, what happened? So I wound up counting. Right? Winning, winning. You know, as soon as I said, but it was too late. You feel what I'm saying? But God, they needed that to me. Okay. But did they steal your Rolex? No, no, no. What happened to it? I was just, it was gone.  Okay. Jungle. So you never got that watch back. No, no, no. Okay.  It's like, that needed to happen to me. It needed to happen. Because it needed to tell me, keep your head from up that street. That's real. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Because people go through, man, I'm going to be honest with you. Being one, they were locked up with some people. I've seen some guys that, when they did do water, wet, they always was a reaction. They wasn't even, we was locked up so they didn't have nothing, but they still would have reactions to certain things. Right. To where it affected them certain ways. Right. And that's the part where it gets tricky. Because you may or may not be on anything and anything can happen. Right. But here's a good thing.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all, that's all I opened up. That's all.  They don't even know. They couldn't even hold a stand and look at my face. Couldn't look you in the eye. Couldn't look me in the eye. Because they know one thing.  There's a couple niggas out there, but I ain't gonna do nothing to that. You know, I got a son. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to be respectful in this rap game. Correct.  Yeah. But I seen so many. We took a time. These 35 niggas, the ones that shared and then left. Yeah. Yeah.  I hope real. Can't get nowhere. I hope. You're so down. So, okay. Let's go to the night. As we know you already, we know you had to have your leg cut off because of the accident. That night at the Cliff Club, you had a show, right? Milo. You were a little old, matter of fact. And, okay. So tell, kind of tell me what happened. I do.  You feel what I'm saying? This was before your performance and everything. Yeah, just before I left. Okay. I got the call before I got to the club. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? But while I'm at the club, I got the news again. So, now I'm trying to, I'm trying to mentally hold this news in without letting my anger on somebody else. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And, you know, sometimes people don't understand. The first thing in their mind is like, oh man, this guy on the ground will be a scoundrel, nigga.   We parked right on the street. You feel what I'm saying? I don't even know. You know what I'm saying? I'm not even, I don't even know. Because I'm going to murder punishment. The truck we came in, we was parked on the other end. I don't even know it's got them six lane freeway right there. You don't even, you don't even know it? I don't even know it.  Man, man, man. Walking down that alley. Pow! And it happened just that fast. Yeah. But the car knocked me in the street. Okay. In the middle of the freeway. I get up. Pow! 50, 60, 70 mile ran over it. Wow. So, let me ask you this. Were you even on, were you on anything? No. Because people are saying that you was on weed and you know that. But you were just, you just had. Me and Sam, they may have been together. I'm a real nigga. I would say that I was.  You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. But drinking, that's something we do. Yeah. I had, I had, oh, I had two drinks. Like that one. You know what I'm saying? The news that I got. What else? Made, the news I got would make, would make you like kitchen. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It pretty much was some news that pretty much it just free rated you so much that you pretty much say it was like, it was like, it was like, look what you're going to do about it. Yeah. You can, you can either go over and get, you know what I'm saying?  Yeah. For this news. Or you can just wussah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so if I tried to do, try to wussah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so my partner JV who, who was standing there with Sam, he was hurt. Yeah. Yeah. He told me that. That was just. JV, JV. He never been around me if I have episode. Episode, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But he'll never been around episode. He just like this. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. Like Sam like, nah, nigga. Nah, nigga, grab that neck. Hold his arm, nigga. Make sure he's straight, nigga. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And my other partner over there, he on the phone. You feel me? I'm saying so. Because he never been with me with episode. Sam, the only one that know. You feel me? Out of, out of this group that's with us. So, but he's near. So he can get over there. And by that time, bam, I got hit with him. Yeah. Bam, I get hit again. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you got hit by the two different people? Two different people. Okay. Who's hitting wrong. You feel me? So the people, they didn't even stop. They didn't stop. Both of them. Both of them? Both of them. But the good thing is, the one that's straight on my leg. You feel me? Shout out to the detectives. I don't want to say, I don't want to say big name. But Detective Jay, she really put it in words for me. But she found a gun, right? She did. He had to change. They bumped. I bet. So she went and found the old bumper. My DNA was all over the bumper. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Wow.  People say different things. That's not different. That's not different. Of course. That's for a thing. I definitely was trying to understand how to move forward when people keep pulling to me. It's not. They don't bother me. You know what? There's a flower in all their clothes. That's real. I'm talking about a flower that's worse than mine.  You feel me? They say what they want to say.  Yeah. You say to people who do it all this channel, everybody got something. I tell people all the time, I say, if people start seeing what everybody dealing with, oh, we'll have an even plan for you. Stuff start falling out. You know, I started trying to hide mine right here right now. For real? You will be trying to hide yours because everybody got something. But the thing is, everybody want to look at everybody else is to try to keep attention on what they got. And guess what?  No, that's real. Do you got what I got? That's real. You feel what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?  You know, I don't think people really, I know I didn't understand, like, that you still would have issues where you would get into angry positions and then flip out to where it would trigger you to go back to a spot to where you don't even know what happened. But I understood. As soon as I learned that, I understood it because of the people I built around. So I know everybody's affected different. But see the mold, you know what I'm saying? It's like the, the, the, the, the, the calmer, the calmer mind vibe. See, this is what I found out.  You got the whole trip.  No, I don't need some front of your family to make it. I'm good. I'm very cool. Yeah. Because what they'll be on the scene, we got, a lot of us got PTSD too. For sure. No, that's something that, that's what I related to. You know what I'm saying? It's, you know, mental health issues from, you look at many people, we're not lost in the music industry. That I'm not lost. I was just talking about that. I got post trap syndrome. That's what I call it. Post trap syndrome. PTSD. Yeah. I'm free. I got post trap syndrome, man. No, I get it. Yeah. I had to wake up as a kid.  Mm-hmm.  Boom. I got a murder charge. It self-defense.  Let me answer. I didn't know you, you got a murder charge before. Yeah, I got my murder charge. How old was you when you got out? I was like 19. And you got a murder charge? Yeah. Some niggas broke my heart. You know, we had all the fancy cars and stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, uh, this chick set us up. What we would do is, we had a big A live career. Uh, this swank, ocean swank of the bank. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. We got a fish tank in the wall.  Yeah, you don't know if we get that. We got the fish tank in the wall. Now that we live. So, for example, if you had the crib and you finna go, you grab the key off the counter. You go to the burglar boy. You don't like the burglar boy. Go outside. You like it. And you just throw the key back down the hall. Yeah. That was the way we did. Mm-hmm. So, this particular chick that was over there was, she kept the key. Mm-hmm. We, back there in my room, jamming beats, listening beats. It's me, Steve, big pep. And I want to say, we'll. Yeah, we'll. So, all of a sudden, you know, we get in the house with Mahler anyway. When you come through the hallway, if you don't know, this ladder is holding up that. Mm-hmm. That's dope. But if you don't know that, you just, so the next thing, you know, we are boom, boom. Damn, somebody hit the head of the door. I got an AK, but the AK is in the next room. Yeah. Ain't nothing in this room, but the radio swishers. You know what I'm saying? Of course.  So, by the time I get up, we go through the door, and then we come through the door. Skeet man, you feel me? 357. Wow. So, we like, y'all give it up. Wow.  They ain't killed him? Uh-huh. He survived. Wow. But when he shot, he looked like he did. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Because he just, he looked at my other partner. He looked at me. Nigga, pow! That nigga took off running. He was going, boom, boom, boom. In the show. He shot in the show. Went upon the run. He's just me and him and them. You know what I'm saying? He said, nigga, lay down, nigga. He laid it down. I laid it down. Four minutes? Four minutes.  Oh, hold on. So, okay, with that nigga, I said, yeah. Pow! Took the whole pistol. Took the pistol from him. He turned to try to run and ran right to the wall.   Shot him with his pistol. You know what I'm saying? Poli's come. They see me watch their life. They're like, oh, this is a drug deal gone bad. I said, man, I don't even know this nigga. You know what I'm saying? I ain't no drug deal gone bad.  Of course. Boys in the hood. You know what I'm saying? I used to see him for years after that. I used to see him for years after that. So, you know what I'm saying? They took a nigga. Did he ever change? No. I ain't wanted real few change. You know what I'm saying? So, so, so, yeah. They took me to jail. Grand jury. They died on a truck. They died on a truck. On the back, it was so crazy.  They would always bring that. It was like, how can they say that? You know what I'm saying? They know it was their self defense. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I never knew that. I never knew that. It was all on the news and everything. And they changed. You know what I'm saying? They knew it was their self defense. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I never knew that. I never knew that. It was all on the news and everything. And they changed. Man, that's crazy. So, yeah, after that, bro, when I would go somewhere, I swung the bag blowing up. It was blowing up on screw tapes. It was blowing up on radio. Yeah. And everybody run up to me. What's up? Are you a G? Yeah. I'm like, yeah, because you're Larry. I'm Larry. You know what I'm saying? That AD told me something like that. I found out who they were though. But let me just say this, man. You never know, man. Like I said, your legacy, like I said on that card, we wrote, your legacy can't be denied, man. You are the culture, man. And just the things that you've been through, man. How do you manage to keep your spirits up? Even after losing your league? What? I talk to you and your spirits are so high.  The way it is, you give everybody spirit and life, man. Everybody who I was calling and talking to, they the ones that started crying. I bet.  You know what I'm saying? Hey, man, because the glass is half into half full. Half full, right. If I would have kept that lead, that was going to die. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I almost died. I died twice. I remember you text me that. I died twice outside. You wouldn't even see that. Stop breathing. Stop breathing. I was in the fifth, late one. My boy JB kept breathing my heart. He hit me on my heart during the whole process. CPR. That made me come back. Then when I was in the hospital, I didn't know nothing about bleeding out at night. So I'm in the business. I say, ooh.  Something ain't right. I call the nurse. The nurse comes. Man, they were like, cold red, cold red. They come in there like eight, nine deep. And what happened, the arteries was popping. Yeah. Because they had put them in place. And the girls were trying to say. Say lean. The boy was just popping, pop, pop, pop. So blood, the whole bed full of blood, blood out on the floor. Wow. So I didn't know. My mama could see it. So I just see her. I just see her.  Like get me out of here. This is a good deal with it. They rode out here. They're my brother. My brother retired chief. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Secret service. Wow. Little brother. Gangster, gangster. You know everything. You know what I'm saying? He, he, he, he, he by the body.  He gave me a towel. I put the towel in my mouth like. So that's how I got through.   Yeah, we ain't. That was the third time. That was the third time. They had to turn it. They had to turn it. Two nights later. It happened again. Like ain't no wrong to me. But the blood coming on this side, right? Yeah. But it's not the same kind.  I don't know. Oh, you. Oh, it don't matter. Right.  So they told me that first, you know what I'm saying? Like the third, like the third night, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, we have to amputate it. What you want to do? And I say, well, if it's going to save my life, just cut it off. That's real. That's real. Man, my hopes are so high. Because every day they telling me they ain't the same league. So they trying to save it. No. They were telling me I was good. They were telling me we're not going to have to cut it off. And I say, Miss Hill, you good?  So I'm like, oh, thank you, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in the good. Lord, that's so life. You know what I'm saying? So that went on for days and days. I had all those surgeries. And that last one, when they cleaned it up, it just was painful. It just ain't feel right. And once they got the little thing, like it's not at all. And that was a picture you showed when they were working on it? No. See, the picture I showed is the pictures that they got on. On my file, when I first come in. Oh, when you first came in? So I was out of there. OK. You know what I'm saying? Like my first few days, I never even looked at my leg. Yeah. Yeah. Because I ain't know that bed. Yeah.  He say, hey, yeah.   I say, so I can't go skip down the hall and give me some coffee. He say, hey, well now. And man, when they told me, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Oh, my God. I'm saying, bam. So I made the people put it up so I can take that. Because I documented my counselor. Document this. You know what I'm saying? So when they put up, put it. And a couple of friends and family members was like, man, your fans and people really don't know where you at or what's going on. I said, well, you know what? Today will be the day I just give him a little bit. Give him a little bit. And they couldn't handle it. A lot of them couldn't handle it. No, I couldn't handle it.  I can't handle my wife. I can't. She can handle anything. I'm weak as hell. Yeah, a lot of me.  I need to call you, man.  I'm weak as hell when it comes down to it. So you say 10 surgeries? Did you go? I had 10. Since you got here, you done 10 surgeries? Since May 10. 10 surgeries. I got one tomorrow. Tomorrow should be my last one. Got one tomorrow. Doctors say tomorrow might be my last one. Then I go straight to rehab. Man. What they did was they come in from the knee. You know what I'm saying? First they had, you know what I'm saying? They was doing the, you know what I'm saying? They did the skin graphing out of the skin. Skin under the... Yeah. So they come in right above the knee. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So when a couple of people came, you know what I'm saying? I shed some tears when they came because they walked in the door and they cried and you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But shit, I don't make money to have dance. No, that's... All right. I'm great, right? I can give that move. You know what I'm saying? I make money to appear mentally. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Indiveribly. No, that's real. You know what I'm saying? That's so real. That's why I have, though. Like, to recognize that. Right off. Right off. Right off. My auntie told me, oh, you must read what I read. I said, baby, I thought that before you ever sent me. Baby, I am a pastor. Real talk. Yeah. I'm just not a regular rapper. I'm a pastor. My uncle is one of the smartest men in America. I've been telling people that he's been all on CNN. He led Southern. He was a student president in Southern when the police come through with the rise and kill those two people. He was a professor over here, a professor at Mississippi Valley State. He was a professor at Jackson State. South Carolina State. And he always embedded certain things in me. That's real. That's hard. So I live by this certain things. You have to just live by to be smart. Wow. To get by. That's real. That's real. If you don't want them to come in here and JFK or anything. You know what I mean? It's this. In your family, what is all said and done? What is the most important thing that your family, your fans, remember you by? We ain't got that yet. Okay. You feel me? You put in the universe what you want to put in the universe. They ain't everybody the same question. Dona, watch this. In five years, I'ma be top five that alive. In five years. In five years. In five years. Boom. I got to go kiss Lil Wayne first. So Lil Wayne is top five? No. I mean, before it was literally down side. Okay. Now, if I think about the real, the realm, I give people ties. You got Biggie, Pop, Face, Nas, Jay-Z. Nas and Jay-Z, tie. And Pop, it's a tie. You know why? Pop cannot wrap Biggie if it's about emotion and lifting you up. But if it's about metaphors and flipping, back and forth, flipping, living back and forth, Biggie would be Pop. That's real. That's real. You feel what I'm saying? That's real. I get exactly why you say that. I just want to say, man, thank you for even doing the interview. I know already, man, it's been tough, but you've been so hot-spirited. I can't tell it's tough. Yeah, I can't. Thank you so much for a great interview. Nas and Meatball, they've been giving me nothing. What that is? Cheetahs left with zebra? Which one that is? I only woke up the cheetah, the zebra. My mama, hey, say, my mama gangsta.  My mama Mars.  My mama Mars.  I'm talking about to the point of like, like, I grew up not eating enchiladas, because I went to work with her. You feel me? And they used to say enchilada trays, and they were so goddamn greasy.  And the lady my mama worked for, my mama, like, really worked for these people. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, go wipe their grandest asses and clean them. That's how my mama would say it. She ain't used on home health term when she got mad. You know what I'm saying? It's home health when she hate it. When she mad. I'm wiping these white folks asses with y'all and y'all. You know what I'm saying? I remember that as a homeboy. I want to say his name from my hometown. He had a Nintendo. So me and my little brother, we stopped by his house as a school and he was like, come by my house, check out my check out. So we watching through the window. He playing the Nintendo. We just in the top of the room, you know what I'm saying? So when we get home, my little brother tell my mama, yeah, we was over there, something so big boy, we were watching him play the game through the window. Mama said, you was doing what? Through the window.   We jumped in the car. We went to Walmart.  I didn't know where my mama got all this money from, because she put the Nintendo in there in 20 games. She loved her kids. But no, I didn't know she didn't pay for them. That means she really loved her kids. She said, my mama was a gangster.  We took out her. She said, you better not let nobody play with them. That's when I knew my mama was a super gangster. But my mama was a real gangster though. She ain't gonna put all of this out there, but she ain't smoking on ridges. She ain't playing. She ain't smoking on ridges. Let's go with it. Your mama and me in the world, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, she definitely do. And by us being in this little cubicle together, we both were like, when she gets mad, she get that look.  I bet. So you know what I'm saying?  You got to be cool, my mama.  I'm gonna make you laugh. This laugh, my mama. Remember this mama? When I was, I was locked out at the house, and I thought it was, I didn't know what time it was, being when I was asleep. So, so I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm up late, you know what I'm saying? I go to sleep at three in the morning. I'm thinking, she gonna tap it on me. Boy, you know we got to get up and get ready to go. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking it's 5 a.m. or 6 a.m. I'm like, dang, mama.  I said, that's what I know about one guy. I said, damn, mama, baby, don't tell me that. She made me mad.  You know what I'm saying? That's what you mean. But it's what you mean. But see, my family's so big. It was 9, it was 9, 9, 9, 9. So 5 a.m. So once again, I can tell you when I walked in, and I see how you look. I'm looking at your face, looking at your demeanor, and you look good. You know what I mean? You're looking, I mean, nobody could just tell all the stuff that you just went through because of how you're looking, how you're acting. Say, let me make you laugh. There are some comedians.  So at least I'm there as a comedian. And I went to the open mic, and I walked by you like, what? I said, okay, appreciate you. I went back to you later on.  You boy, you look good. I said, nigga, you tell me that one more time. I'm gonna tell you. But you know, it was just that they thought, and they mind, a person that's, you know, going through the head of the counselor. It's something like that. You supposed to look, man. But it's all mental. You feel me with that? You know what I'm saying?  I ain't gonna do it. You don't get what you ask for. And man, I feel like men have it worse than women because I've heard of so many men who get bad news, especially we can't send stuff like that and you hear the next day they're dead. Because they feel like it's a death sentence once you get certain things. Like there's no overcoming it. But you know what they be?  Right.  Nah. You need to put up that pain so long. Like, instead of two or three of your polyps being affected, there's 10 of them. So now you're toward stage four and there's pretty much nothing you can do. You know what I'm saying?  When you get count, it's over.  Man, you would beat that. That ain't nothing. That's how they talk. That's how they talk. That's why I got a line where I say, I feel like Florida will beat up cancer. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Like once the doctor automatically told me. It's mental. Yeah. When you say, man, you have colon cancer. I'm like, okay. I know one thing. That's not brain cancer. That's not prostate cancer. Pancreatic cancer. Those are the worst. Those are harder.  Like he told me the tumor that went right now, cleaned it all out. I couldn't walk, but it was out of there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Of course you have risks of certain things come back. So that's when you start learning by ways. To prevent it. Right. It's like, What you eat. It's not just that all the time. You have dark shoulders. Your environment. Stress. Your environment. Your environment. Your environment. Yeah. If you live in a, like an industrial field, certain kind of places. You feel what I'm saying? I get it. Yeah. And of course the foods, but there are so many other things that play roles in it. For as things you put on your body.  All of that get to be a test to it. But the colon mostly deals with the intestines. See that's what I hate. That's why. When you talk about the products. You know how a new product come out. Lotion or whatever. And we love it. It smells good. Whatever. Then years later on it say, Well if you use this. Right. You can now sue this. I don't even believe some of them commercial. But we know one thing. I think colon deals with the intestine. You feel me? So of course over a long period of time. You gotta think. When we was kids. We ate at home. You know we didn't get them. Man my mom already take it. My mom. When did we get these? She boy it better be real. I better be about the grades away. Especially in my MVP football. Basketball or something. You need to just run the restaurant every day. See these kids. And people go fast food every day every day. So the process. That fake meat and processed foods. Going through that cold. It's great though. It's tanned it up in a way of. You know it's infected it. You know what I'm saying. And that's one of the main things. But like dark sodas and those processed foods. One of the main things. They told me in mind. Stressing your environment. All that play a key role. So what you say to some of these black. Man who are watching this show right now. Would you advise them to like. Start going to do their checkups once a year. Man of course. It's almost like it's almost like a no brainer now. You feel what I'm saying. Like like like. They used to tell you to go at 50. Now they want you to go at 45. So me I would suggest you to go at 40. Here's the thing. I'm going to make you laugh first before I get to it. I'm in the hospital. Now this is when they found the little tumor. And they say. Mr. Hill you need to come back for another colonizer. I'm like man I just had one. So like come in. So when I come back. I got a nurse. You know she about 30. You know she about 40. Little carcass lady. The nice little lady. She like. Oh I can't get it. I can't get it. I can't do it. So they had to take it in over there. So I'm like. You know what I'm saying. She say you want to go to the bathroom and do it yourself. I said I try. So I get the rest room. Like man I can't stick nothing in the way. I try. I just can't do it. I'm just. You know what I'm just. Two gangsta. You know what I'm saying. I would but I'm trying. You think about saving your life. But I ain't giving a damn. I couldn't do it. So when I get back to. Back to my room. Be gone talk to that white boy. Come walk right there. I said. Yeah. Yeah. And we can find somebody. I can't even go. That didn't work that you figure you. You figure get this. You figure get do right. I would feel right. You know what I'm saying. So you know. That's how it is. So. As man. That's the mentality. Especially now. You know. Like we are ready. My mama already called. We already left. Baby Sam like. Baby Sam won't even he the hot dog. You know what I'm saying. Right. Like that is longer. They were like. one of the main things. Now, you can't check for everything, but that totally can't be one of the... Especially if it runs in the family. See, that's not true. Really? It's not in your family? No. All that old...  Or good if nobody... No, no, no, no, no. Thinking you gonna... You got it because your uncle or somebody else had it. So that's just a fear. You can get it with nobody else in your family. Oh, wow. A lot of time when they say about you, you look at a family. It's the whole old family is obese. You think she big because her mama was big, doesn't it? No, she big because her mama letting her eat the same thing that she was eating. You know what I'm saying? Ain't that her red detergent? Ain't nothing red detergent. Your skin color, you know, that's just like me saying, I'm gonna have my next set of twins gonna have one lead. You know what I'm saying? But genes has a lot to do with it too, when I say that. They do. In a certain way. Because I've seen where kids don't know, say you lost your dad at a young age, whatever, and you just like him.    That's what I mean. That part is definitely true.  Like, I don't look, I wish that. You know what I'm saying?  I needed a bar or something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but like, I didn't know how much I was like Monday. Because I went around with my dad when I was young.  She didn't like my mom. You know what I'm saying? So, and you hear the people voice, people don't even think about that. Think about that next time. When you see some brothers listen to their voice, they talk, they talk alike. They don't even know it. So, you know, I had a question. So, okay. So going back to that day, when you got hit, you said the police found the bumper for the detective found the bumper.  So it was only the first person that hit you at first. That's the person that the bumper they found. No. The first person, like, the first person then, then, first person going kind of slow. They saw me, you know what I'm saying? They were trying to try to, trying to slow them down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they didn't, you know what I'm saying?  Make me go to the middle of the street, but the second car is what did all the damage. All the damage because they ran over you. Right. And then they slowed down and then it kept on going.  And I'm like, they had to have drug you. Like you stuck under the car, they drug you, something for all of that to be gone like that.  I'm blessed. I'm gonna say I'm blessed. My mama called Mr. Twillight, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, they found it and did it on the bumper, whatever gonna happen, gonna happen, but, you know, it's a win-win for me. I live, I survive, you feel what I'm saying? So, you know, it's only up for me. I can't go, I can't go back, I can't go down. So how are you using that to move forward? How are you using that? Because sometimes, you know, people, some people tend to want to say, you know, I want to forget about what I've been through.  How are you using that to move forward? There's a man named, what was his name? Lee Brown. Anyway, that's Brown. Yeah, that's one of my favorite people. I know what you're talking about.  He was a kid. But I didn't listen to him so much. Me going through this, for example, if I was to walk into an auditorium, you know, with some kids, nah, I know how to make them pay attention. They gonna listen to me because the ones that, you know, where I'm from and they from, we can, you know, connect on that environment, right? But some of those, they're not going to be able to understand if I try to tell them about certain drug use or things not to do, right? Because some of them may have not done it or whatever. Right. Man, when I take that, when I take that leg off, and just show them. That's going to make them feel better.  You feel me? I got this thing. I got two in the back. You feel what I'm saying? They got to take off.  You feel me? And if I name, once I go to name and all the people that ain't with me, no more. You feel me? My future is three, four more years. Five at the most. Transition from music. Comedy. Films for being that motivation speaker. I just knew that's what it was. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be a pastor, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to be a pastor. Just a motivation speaker. Motivation speaker, because you're going to help a lot of people. And it's going to help me. Yeah, because when I read that to you earlier, that's all I could see. That was all what you read.  Because I remember even, we interviewed another young lady the other day, and her name is Goddess Johnson, right? She's blind. She's blind? She's blind. But she went through so many different trauma, foster care, all of that. But her trauma came from, okay, her younger sister, she was in the car with her younger sister that were driving and her niece. And niece was like seven months old. They had a wreck. She lost both her sister and her niece. They died. She lived, but the doctor said she wouldn't be able to see. She had to go through surgeries to be able to even get. Right now, she can see, you're looking through a telescope only on one eye, and you can see a tunnel vision. That's all she can see. That's all you can see. And she won Miss Beauty Pageant for the blind because she's trying to show, because she had to go through all sorts of stuff before she got to that point. But all these young girls are looking up to her. She's like, she didn't realize how many young, blind children out here who have self-confident issues. I'm sure they do. All sorts of trauma. But she obeyed her seed again. She's like, she has a whole different type of vision right now. She obeyed her seed again, though. Really?  Because she sees now, but it's just a little bit. If you can see a little bit, it's so many. I'm blind. Ma, I'm blind on ma. That's for real.  You know what I'm saying? I got no context right now. Your glasses ain't even that thick. No, these are read and blessed. Now I'm blind. You know what I'm saying? Look, when I was a kid, I used to go to the, I was on Medicaid. We go to the eye doctor. B, I couldn't, every pair of glasses that I picked, Medicaid didn't cover. Man, I got my heart broke. I got my heart broke from the third grade to the seventh grade. Seventh grade, I looked.  Didn't see it well. I said, man, can I get them? And he finally gave me some glasses that I'm Medicaid. Yeah, man. I'm not, she's blind. You know what I'm saying? Not dead, man. I'm talking about read. You know what I'm saying? I have to have my glasses or context in, you know what I'm saying? But that's big for her. That's big for her. That's all she does now is go around and do motivational speaking. And she helps a lot of people and she travels everywhere and do it. And she's been a blessing to so many people. When I follow her on her social media, the amount of people that give her love. That's real. You know what? Amazing.  You feel me? Because they're going to overlook you. Yeah. You feel me? And the world going through a lot right now. Man, look how many people, look how many people like, like, maybe on the, on the, maybe on the corner, trying, you know what I'm saying? Trying to give you the word.  You don't even stop to, to absorb that. You know what I'm saying? So you have to get the people what they want. And you're the type of person that likes to give it real. I don't love that fact, because people would listen to you because of the way how you talk. Much less you like to joke around and stuff like that. So you're going to make them laugh with it too. Because some people want to cry, but with you doing all that, you can't, you try to make them. You can't balance it. Yeah, I mean, my, my, like my brother.  You got a laugh? I'm making it happen. Yeah, man. Make it happen, man. People don't know. Say, man, I lost my family without a rick, without an accident. I went to three houses to none. You know what I'm saying? I walked away with nothing, but my, my happiness. You feel what I'm saying?  Sitting in the garage by yourself. My son was my best friend. Right. You feel me? And I couldn't, I didn't get to talk to my son for, kick over my son. People in the rap game that you have help get to a certain level of support.  You feel me? Now I got this over there.   You feel me? And I'm just what it's more of a transparent type of dude. You feel what I'm saying?    You feel what I'm saying? Cause I ain't doing nothing. I ain't doing nothing. That's the thing, I think it should hide. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't smoking no tea. I ain't shooting no heroin. I don't knock with nobody to do. I ain't on a crystal meal.   Who say that? About the 228 beers in front of you? Shit, it's over what?  God didn't want me to be sober. I was designed to be a gangster. My uncle was the biggest drug dealer. In this other region of Louisiana where I'm from. I started selling drugs at 13. Real drugs. My whole family, my cousins, I always went to the feds and didn't eat anything.  BMF, that was us as kids, my family. We got it in. My mama ain't gonna want me to say all that. We got it in. But look at my mama telling me, she say, boy, you go to jail selling that dope.  I said, okay. Two weeks later, give me $200. Yeah, it was traveling to all of my life, man. That's the kid, man.  Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying? That's just what we grew up around. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm not on all papers. I'm not on nothing. The doctor prescribed me CBD, you feel me? But I am. That's the one with CBD. I hit me a little close or something. You feel me? But that's how, you know, I don't know what I need. That's all you need, all natural. You don't know what I need. I am a different kind of human being. I don't need no water, none of they kind of see it. But you know what I'm saying? Right. You know, I'm a different kind of human being. I'm just saying, man. I go to a ran where people don't go.  Because PTSD, I always talk about how it's not only the military people go through PTSD, nor not only the police, but even street cats.   But you see these things on a regular basis. But you, how can that not be PTSD, PTSD? You know what I mean? Nah, nah, I know why you asked me that course. Because your friend called you green, you know what I mean? There's no way to hear you ask me that course. Man, you just got to look how hard it is.  When you're in certain environments, you got jack bars to look out for. Police to look out for. You feel me? There's so much thing to look out for if you live in that life or in that environment. You feel what I'm saying? And people want you to just snap out right out of it, it's so quick and fast. If you are making, you know what I'm saying? I hate to say it. If you're making five or ten bands a day, and something happened where they want you to be scared straight, you got to go straight. I remember my, I remember my dad. Oh, I remember my dad. I remember my daddy telling me like, son, man, why don't you come work with me? I said, how much am I making? He said, you're going to make $400 out of every two weeks. I said, dad it back. But you know, for somebody, you know what I'm saying? That might have been perfect for him.   You had those little summer jobs without school and everything. I did that. But once I became, you know what I'm saying? That's nothing wrong with, everybody should work. You know, that's nothing wrong with it. But it just, you know, I called my drill truck at the young age. Right. You know what I'm saying? I got my drill truck fresh out of high school. You know what I'm saying? So I was going to be feeling, it was hard as hell, immediately right then for me. You know what I'm saying? These are things that you carried all the way up till even that night, you know, you said you got a call and that's what triggered.  I tried to do everything in me to not reveal. I revealed to my people there with me, but I tried to do everything in me not to reveal this call to everybody else. Now, the person that I got the call about was one of the persons that walked up to me. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I'm saying? So they weren't there that night? They were there that night. Somebody told me, say man, there's a person who died that I could lie. You know what I'm saying? So if you look at it, I got a list.  And I got some, you know what I'm saying? And all of a sudden somebody gave you a call, hey man, number three on your list at that club.  So you know what I'm saying? So it's like the first thing I think about, that's the devil trying to get you at that moment in time. Yeah, it could be. It could be. You don't understand what I mean? Because that's just a big coincidence that at that time you get that call and this person is right there. That's crazy, huh? Yeah, that's crazy. So you don't think it could have been gold? It's the devil, huh? That's the devil. All devil, all devil. But remember, God, a lot of the devil attempts you in a lot of ways. So the devil was trying to see what I was going to do. See what you're going to do? Yeah, I could.  Yeah, I just threw up and I said, oh God, I'm the boogeyman. I'm the boogeyman. I'm the boogeyman. Or you could have walked out. Somebody else would have got hurt. Anybody would have got hurt. But you were trying to do the right thing by walking out. But I, so, so, you know what I'm saying? Right. After that happened, you know, all I said, lose my leg. You know what I'm saying? But I know you think, how many times a day do you think about that night? None.  You don't, none of that.  I think, you know, I've had nightmares since I've been here. But I don't, that night, you know what I'm saying? The only time I think about the night is like, me and somebody talking about it or something. Oh, okay. It don't come, it don't come to my mind. So you're not that type of person who, because you know some people be like, trying to look back and be like, what could I done differently? How could I, da, da, da, da. When I had the murder story, I ain't, I ain't never thinkin' about that night.  Better, you shot somebody. You know what I'm saying?  So, you know what I'm saying?  You know, I am a soldier, a real soldier. You know what I'm saying? That's why I like the drugs that I did do. They was made for soldiers, you know, unfortunately. But as some people say, the reason why people do that is because you don't have an outlet to, because if you just so-called forget it, but you know, subconsciously, you really don't forget it. That's why it attacks you in your dreams and your nightmares. So sometimes people say, it's good to just have somebody to talk to to let it out.    Me personally, everybody that I knew, they went to like the drugs, the amy's, or them.  Everybody said that. Nothing, that's what I'm saying. But now, when they mentally themselves wanted to succeed, it worked. Yeah, you have to want it. Right then, right on top, you know what I'm saying? Just like they interviewed somebody, right? And they were talking about, I think, smoking with his old pimp that we interviewed. And he used to smoke like a freight train all the time, everything. And, you know, he was supposed to go to the classes. He tried rehab, all of that stuff, that and alcohol. And the lady in there is like, man, just do what you got to do in here, and when you get back out there, do what you want to do out there, because this ain't going to work. The lady working in there told him that. She told him that. So guess what? He went out here, found a guy who does hypnosis. It worked. Man, he said, but he said the difference is, because he said his girlfriend went with him and it didn't work on her, but it worked on him. The difference is, you got to want it. She didn't want, she was just doing it because he was doing it. That's just like, that's what didn't think. That's what the music. If you in a rap game, and you only in it because you see your friend making money, he on TV, and it's not in you to grind, you ain't gonna make it. A relationship. If one person in a relationship, you know, just for, you know, to be the seat filler, because it's beneficial. And there's other person in the relationship because they love a person. I love you. It ain't gonna work. You know what I'm saying? That's why rap groups don't last. You can't see people, rap groups don't work no more because it is. You have to be, they have to become partners and friends because for example, they got a song. They gonna rap this, this song is about the love for a woman. Now this dude in the rap game for money, this dude in the rap game because it's in his heart.  It's not gonna be touching. Him, he gonna rap it from his heart. Now, eventually they gonna clash because he's in it for the money and he's in it for the culture. Right. Yeah. So it's your birthday. Yeah, man. And I know you had a lot of people over already. Yeah, yeah. You know, boys been coming, they're right. So, show me some of that. Okay. I don't want no more chicken. I had enough of William chicken. We can do the proud of all the William chicken. You need some Rudy's chicken now. That's what they said, but see, the person who told, I told, they just say, I said, man, that's a really good time. No, and I, yeah. Yeah. You never had Rudy's chicken. No, no, no. All of the road is there. My partner in the road has said Rudy's good as hell. This season ain't good. And see, I need some seeds. Yeah. I ain't good since they were too spicy. That gives me a hot smell of my pet. Every time that medicine make my pet a difference, you know what I'm saying. But it's my birthday. Tell people this. I'm three ages. Okay. What's the three ages? On Fridays, I'm 30. Saturday, I could be 35 or 40. Oh, okay. On Sundays, I'm 45. You know what I'm saying? So, what's the day Sunday? Today's Sunday.  I guess I got to be 45. 45. Well, it's been a blessing.  Yeah, it's real. Because this is something that everybody probably want to know about and they're curious about. That's real. But, you know, you know where our heart is. Oh, yeah, y'all are up there. Y'all are up there. Y'all are up there. Y'all are up there. Y'all are up there. My brother, Bonnie, Bonnie did some push-ups for you. He did them some extra push-ups for you. Y'all swole for the weekend for you. You feel the go. Congratulations, man. Hey, to have a child going to Brown University, it's almost like, it's like taking a needle and throwing it all the way from here to Oakleaf and going through a window and cutting the TV on. That's a whole, that's a great accomplishment, my brother. We're so proud of her. Yeah, that's real. You know what I'm saying? That's real. So, another love. You know, I went to Brown, too. Yeah, Clifton Brown. That's my daddy. My daddy named Brown. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that's good. So, y'all let her make it because, you know what I'm saying, most women are smart anyway. My cousin, he had a 4.6. All the women in my school and in my class were smart. So, I used to just, you know, I was smart, but I just used to cheat on them. Cheat on them. And like I like them, make them do my homework. Man, love y'all. Boss talk. Boss talk 101 and we out.


So there's a difference with there's some basics that you need to find in a person is first They must definitely Have the same faith that they must have must believe in what you believe that's the biggest thing that they have vision But when it comes to preferences those are preferences So I don't know if you're talking about tall short Long hair short hair. I don't know. I mean that's that's preferences But when it comes to finding someone the standards is definitely godly they have a relationship with God because if they don't have that They will never love you the way they could love you it when they have God in the formula So if you have if they have godly relationship, and this is to all the men and to all the woman It's nothing more attractive than when a person an individual is seeking after God So with all of themselves that you know, they will be a godly individual in that relationship So God a foremost mission like she said and preferences is preferences.  Don't have anything running in your life except your mouth How can you have a successful life? Of course That's good. That's enough


politics for the people. My name is Stephanie Stoll Dalton. I may not look like her, but I think the same way. We're doing musical hosts today, okay? And I'm Jay, and I'm kidding. And I'm going to host this show about politics for the people, and the subject is yes, Rome is still burning. Or put it this way, is Rome still burning, okay? We're going to take a look at the domestic issues we've been covering all along and how they're doing while Europe is burning. That includes a whole bunch of things. So, Stephanie, have things gotten better domestically while Rome is burning? Things have not gotten domestic. I have not gotten better. Things are status quo and declining, and hopefully the media is not losing ground in covering these topics sufficiently. That's my question is about the proportion of the news attention. Have we lost it to the hot war, or are we still getting all our details here? I'm presuming from what I'm reading, it's sounding overwhelming as usual, so perhaps we're not. But that is a concern, and we need to look to action here. And the president's looking to action there, so we need a reconsideration of where the responsibility lies. So, Tim, is the media doing a good job in this time of crisis in Europe? And if not, do you forgive them? They're doing a stand-up job. They're in the field. They're doing what they were designed to do, report facts and tell a story, and they're telling a story. So, they're doing, I think, wonderful. I think because news services 24-7 is hard for the human psyche to take it all in, all at once, 24-7. And I think people get emotionally burned out, and that's what I'm afraid of, that the crisis in Ukraine can cause viewer burnout. And hopefully that doesn't happen. Okay, Karen, now a question for you. If I look at the tube, and I only watch three channels, and I'll tell you which channels I watch in case you're interested, MSNBC, CNN, BBC, and sometimes PBS, the NewsHour. That's about it. Notice the ones that I omitted because I don't want to spoil my brain. Lord knows it needs to be preserved at my age. Anyway, so what we have here is the news, but they are spending a lot of time on Ukraine. And as a matter of fact, sometimes, some days, I think I can anticipate what they're going to say. They're going to say there was a bombing of a residential house or building or maternity ward, what have you. And a lot of people died. I know they're going to talk about what's happening at the border, and the pathos of the trains and buses and walking. Ukrainians arrive. I know that they're going to talk about Putin and the fact that he's doubling down on everything and how the Russian troops are behaving themselves and so forth. I know that is almost the same every day. I'm sorry to tell you. And the audience, as Tim suggests, wants to hear that, needs to hear that. We all need to know what's going on because these are war crimes and are amidst. But are we covering the things that are, and that makes it static? What I'm telling you is it seems to be static day after day. I wish I could say that was real dynamic, but it's not so much. At the other side of things, there is dynamic happening, isn't there, in our domestic issues. How do you feel about that? Well, I feel that it's unfortunate that the media seems to be able to only focus on one crisis at a time and then drumbeat it to death until the next crisis appears. In which case, then, a lot of other issues that I think are important, such as climate change, we talked about the climate change report that got eclipsed by the current Ukraine crisis. All these kind of factors, poor Anthony Fauci is out now. You don't see him anymore. So all these things that were so-called crisis issues before are no longer crisis issues, and they just seem to get dropped or something. Until the next crisis, and then they'll drop Ukraine and go on to that one. Yeah, and it's true. It's like, who's in charge here anyway? You wonder who makes these decisions?  Who follows who? If I come up with some story, domestic or foreign, and it's really juicy, and I have footage, and I have a hot commentator about it, the likelihood is that the other channels, the other news media are going to pick it up. That's the way it works. So everybody to the left side of the boat, everybody to the right side of the boat, how has that decided, if you will, among the media, the priorities? Well, you know, the old adage, if it leads, it leads. So if they have media coverage of it, you know, if it's just a meeting of two people somewhere, it's not a very exciting media event, you know, two people walking into a building to talk or something. But if they have, you know, footage of somebody lying on the ground, you know, dead or something, then that's considered a more of a put it at the top of the news story. So it's unfortunately based on sensational and human interest, that kind of thing. Yeah, isn't that true? And maybe I wish there was a way in which the media could act independent or more independent, and pick their own priorities and do it on their own time, so to speak. So Stephanie, you know, if we peel the Ukrainian curtain back, just hold it for a minute, suspend it, if you will, and look at the domestic scene. What if anything is troubling you about the dynamic on the domestic scene? Well, I think my I'm driven by the question of what is it not that democracy is the most important target of all of our work? Is it not that we have to preserve democracy at all costs? And certainly, at home, our operation of a democracy is the most important place to be making sure we're covering our basis and that we have a balance. So we look at what we're doing at home. We also then have to keep that balance and have that be our priority while looking to the other hot war issues and also China is taking advantage of all of the sanctions that are depriving Russia of its ordinary incomes and they're snapping that up. But so yes, so at home, I think it's about how leadership and policy is is going to accommodate all of this demand on it, and also inform how we're supposed to act with regard to our own operations of democracy, and then how we're going to address it in the world. Do you see any positive effect of the crisis in Ukraine on the Congress? I mean, is there a certain amount of bipartisan that pops up when when democracy is threatened in this in the same in this incredible way in Ukraine? Sadly, I think there's a lot of interest in friendship with Russia or Alliance in in in the ways that we have learned are are just obnoxious. I see a complete reflection of the game plan that's been going on here since 19 since since 2016 election and all the things that Russia is saying and doing in Putin. So there so the the there there are there is a portion of our government that has absorbed the Putin strategy and the Russian game plan and talk and turning around issues on themselves. In other words, like he's criticizing Ukraine of of having bioweapons. And of course, that that's what is one of the tactics is that you accuse other people of doing what it is that you intend to do. So but my answer to the question is that, yes, I see that there are a lot of people in our government, unfortunately, would like the benefit they want the benefits of having Ukraine absorbed by the Russia country, which is is horribly detrimental to So Tim, when you pull back the curtain or, you know, lift the blanket a little on the news as it is happening, as it is changing in this country. Do you find that there's any positive effect of the crisis over democracy in Ukraine on the way the members of Congress, specifically the GOP are conducting themselves? Thank you for asking that question. Absolutely. And what is the what is the the look what is the look behind the curtain? And that is to see the personal attributes of a dictator, the inhumanity, the brutality, the narcissism, the paranoia. The list goes on. And those who were supporting someone kind of like that as a former president, we had they start to see maybe that's not such a great idea to fit an autocrat really looks like. And they think twice maybe before they start going down the autocratic road, because it seems to be inherent of all autocrats to have these warped aspects of their personality, there's no stop rating the personality from the dictator from the dictator from the autocrat. You know, but there's a tension on that, isn't there? Because the same time the GOP is has always been at least in recent times, dedicated to try to bring the Democrats down to make Joe Biden look foolish and weak and impotent and so forth. And some of them cannot resist that opportunity now. Because this you know, this crisis is really beyond anyone's control or very hard to control it. And so they take the opportunity to to criticize him over it. So am I right? I see attention. Okay, between the GOP normal approach at trying to attack Biden, undermine Biden, at the same time, as you say, perhaps there are some members in the GOP and some people in the base actually in the country, who who understand better what Trump was about, who understand better what democracy is and how it could be lost. What are your thoughts about that tension? Well, that tension was there before Ukraine. And that was the old GOP that said, you know, we have a protocol, we have a certain demeanor about us, we have a certain platform and principles as the GOP party. As we know, 2016, a lot of those principles and platforms went away. And it was following a cult personality versus a GOP platform. So that tension has been there. I think most of it's been swept under the rug. And the the cult of personality won the day. But that's the beauty of I think, looking at Putin under a microscope to say, Hey, there are similarities between this guy and the guy we just got rid of. Number 45. And I think that tension is back and it's good to have that tension. And I'd like to see more people realize that a platform is more important than a personality. You know, Karen, we have a lot of issues miles to go before we we finish the discussion about all the unfinished business on the domestic side. But but certainly one thing we have been focused on for the past two plus years is COVID. So I ask you to report on COVID. There's a tension there too.  On the other hand, on the flip side of that, there seems to be a scientific implication that maybe the surge is going down. And various government agencies are saying you don't need to take those steps anymore. Where does that put it in terms of the domestic agenda? I think because they there is a kind of consensus by the CDC that it is going down. In fact, many states are including Hawaii are removing their mask mandates, that it's kind of declining in terms of news coverage, which it used to lead it was leading the news for what the last year, I think at least every the first story on the news was always some COVID story with usually Anthony Fauci or somebody like that. But so I think we're beginning to see that eclipsed by Ukraine. And I'm not sure they're going to pick up the coverage again. I think it's being written off as you know, in the decline right now. Yeah, so is it behind us? If it's behind us, let's assume it's been dealt with, right? Either it it it it reduced it's it's it's lethality, it's it's infectiousness as a matter of the development, the you know, the track of the virus, you know, the evolution of the virus. Or because we took good steps, who gets credit? Can can we say that by the she should get credit here? Can we say that the government should get credit? Or as some people feel it just went away by itself? And they always told us it was going to go away by itself. No, I think there's was huge steps taken by Biden and the government to accelerate its departure. And if they hadn't taken those steps, we wouldn't see it going away, you know, happily seeing it going away. You know, the insistence that all government employees had to be vaccinated, they pushed to vaccinate people in general, by Biden and government mandates and so forth, I think was critical in reaching the critical mass they needed to get the vaccine, you know, under control, not vaccine, the virus under control. Yeah. Stephanie, since you, you know, the ordinary host in the in the evolution in the in the revolving musical chairs of the show, I saved a very difficult question for you. Are you happy about that? Thrilled. Voting. It was your best shot, Jay. I'm going to give you my best shot voting. There was an article in New Yorker three, four days ago about how busy, busy, busy that you'll be was working on, on denying free and fair voting to a huge number of people in this country, working on it every single day, working on it in so many legislatures, working out with people running for office like secretary of state in various states, busy, busy, busy, busy. And the thrust of the article in New Yorker is, boy, we got a problem. Do we have a problem, Stephanie? Are we addressing the problem? The voting rights bills seem to be dead. Let me spell that D E A D dead in Congress. What's what are we, what are we going to do? What's going to happen here? That's the question that that really is the challenge. And this has been going on for a long time as the Republicans have been focusing on this, this work at, at these lower level positions, which we thought were they're not lower level in any sense of importance, but they hire highly prioritized getting people in at the state level that would be on their team. And they've ramped that up.  And now, but now they're really ramping it up and really focusing on the primary for the secretary of state position in the state and making and the former president is really pushing on that. No, so so it's democracy Democrats who have not paid enough attention to that. And of course, it's about winning presidential contests. And that's where the strength is of the outcomes of the strong work of the Democrats as we we control all three houses and we've had the presidency. But now we've got to get back to business and take care of what it is that the Republicans understand is so important and may win the day as a result of that. So it's a huge concern. And it's negligence on the part of Democrats. There's no excuse. You have to do the whole thing has to be a balance to process be comprehensive. And you have to consistently stay on top of it. At least Biden's coming back on the judges. So the other piece is the judiciary, right? Where where the Republicans have been doing nothing but getting GOP, MAGA judges in there. And finally, now Biden's in and he's appointed more judges than anybody ever before, including Trump. So you're you're on the mark here. This is this is highly important. Is we need yes, we needed the leaders to attend to this. And and as to the Voting Rights Act, that that's just a shame. It's criminal, especially for the people who've devoted their lives, getting that legislation through one time already in states that already have abided by. So we need to get that back. And there are people working on that they're not getting much coverage, not as much as they should be getting there again. Who is the media touting enough already maybe on the war stuff and not that we don't Can I tag tag on to that comment right there? And that is, how do we know the stuff's not getting done under, you know, behind closed doors? Just because the media is not reporting on it doesn't mean the Democrats aren't working on voting rights and back, you know, back behind the scenes efforts, or even build back better. We just don't hear about it because Ukraine is has taken and rightly so most of the oxygen is in out of the room. Well, if I could just comment to back, it's just in looking, I've been looking at the states, the state's campaigns for these offices like Secretary of State and the Republicans are doing very well, especially in in the the states that are critical for the Republicans. So that's how that's so I don't think the coverage has been reduced. It's just not headlines. So that's another part of it. Where is the coverage? Fauci's on page 39 of the post, instead of page three, or one. So I mean, if they're all those facets of how they're going to push this stuff out, and somebody needs to be tweaking it to keep the important undone work that desperately needs attention, and is going to make the difference between our having an operating democracy and not, and that needs to get out there. And who's making that decision? I guess it's citizens requesting it. But that's another question is who's pushing that? It's not leadership, or and if it's not leadership, then who does push that's another question. You know, can I just step in here with a comment? You can say the press isn't reporting some of the stuff that Democrats have been doing, you know, particularly on on these elections. But in fact, I'm going to say it in Hawaiian, I'm going to use the native Hawaiian language, the two voting rights bills, okay, in Congress, we all know, and there's nothing more to report on that, are Maki, that means dead. And that's that's a fact. So if the if the Democrats are doing anything about voting rights in Congress, you could fool me. Anyway, let's let's go forward. You know, one thing, Tim, that Stephanie mentioned was the judiciary, okay, and that Biden had the opportunity to appoint Katanji Brown Jackson. That's good. I don't think it's going to make that much difference in the court. And we have some real jokers that that Trump appointed who are doing amazing cases, cases cases that like your blood boil, and your serial hurdle, I'm telling you, we could go into that now. Suffice to say, there are some really strange federal judges on the bench that Trump appointed, they're not qualified, the sensibilities are bad, they're politically had and so forth still today, years later. And it's very sad. And they say, okay, that the judiciary is really the backstop on all these investigations, you can stop an investigation with the judiciary, and you can encourage one with the judiciary. So right now, I'm asking you about investigations, which, you know, arguably are important issues and should be dynamic issues. But as other issues, they have been, you know, covered by the Ukraine crisis. So we're talking about the select committee. We're talking about the prosecutions of the Proud Boys and all that. We're talking about trying to stop insurrectionists in the future. We're trying to investigate, hey, we're trying to prosecute Trump in the Manhattan DA's office. Look what happened to that. If you were hoping that that conviction would have felt fallen within section three of the 14th Amendment, forget about it.  So what I'm saying is, how we doing on that? Are we following, you know, are we following up on that as a country or are we spending all our time watching MSNBC? I think the select committee has gotten a lot more interviews, a lot more evidence. They're starting to put the rough draft of the report together. We're now mid-March and months ago, you and I and everyone on our shows would say, hey, this stuff has to be out by basically June 1st or else it's going to be too late. So I think they're starting to gather and organize what their brief is going to look like and what that report's going to look like. So I think that continues.  That's fine. We don't need them. It'd be nice, but they have the evidence and it will be reported. Okay. Well, I think they don't have any power to, you know, execute what they find. It has to go to the Department of Justice. If he doesn't have the evidence, I'll go one step further. They'll be a candidate in standing. I don't know who it is, but they'll take that select committee report and say, I'm challenging 14th Amendment, paragraph three. I'm challenging Donald Trump as a viable candidate that he's ineligible due to this report and the evidence of finding within it. The good point. Okay. You know, it's great. We had so many conversations. I'll lose a little pizza, I'm sure, but you know. Well, we had so many conversations about these things, you know, and I actually miss those good old days when we were bearing down on all these domestic issues that now, you know, we really have to handle Ukraine. We must talk about it as the greatest outrage of our lifetime. But, you know, Karen, there are other outrageous happening. We have the Supreme Court, which is not going to be much affected by Katanji Brown Jackson. We have a, you know, a conservative majority that's probably going to slam Roe v. Wade. That's going to vote against voting rights. There's all kinds of things. I mean, how do you feel about that? Is there a dynamic in the judiciary? Is there a dynamic on all these various, what do you call, legal and cultural issues that are coming, were coming? I don't know if they are coming before the public and the institutions we count on to deal with them? Well, I would say the dynamic is that the Democrats seem to be losing out of them. Primarily, here we have the EPA is now being a big case before the Supreme Court. Looks like it might lose its teeth to be able to execute any power in terms of global climate change and emissions of power plants. So they're all leaning, of course, all the conservative judges are leaning to give the power plants more power or less and take away the power of the EPA. So that's down, downer. And then, of course, we have abortion coming up, which is not going to look good. We have lost, it seems, the Trump in New York case, you know, where they all disintegrated before her eyes. I don't know what's going to happen at the state level, where there's a prosecutor, the Secretary of State of New York is prosecuting supposedly a similar case to what the New York City case was, but I haven't heard any status report on that at all. So I would say interlegally, the picture is not too good at the moment. Let me ask you about some of the more I say mundane, but they're really not mundane at all, but they have been, you know, talked about less. Let's talk about let's see, tax reform, wealth disparity, infrastructure, big tech abuses that I mentioned, immigration, social justice, poverty. I mean, there's a whole bunch of, I don't want to call them second tier, but we haven't talked about it as much. And it seems to me, we're not talking about them at all right now. No. And I think another issue is that a lot of the appointees have not been past the you know, committees, they need to be installed in office like the Justice Department, some appointees there, some appointees at the FCC, the FTA. All the regulatory bureaus seem to have been stalled out in terms of getting in the people that Biden wanted. So that's so anti-monopoly legislation is essentially stalled as well. Yeah. Stephanie, let's go to you with an easy one. That's a trap. OK, the economy, inflation, all that jobs, all that. Now, you know, there were those who said a few weeks ago that Biden is doing great to have more jobs and there were those who said, well, not really because inflation is eating up the benefit. And now on top of that, we have we have oil prices and various other supply line issues and cost issues that will predictably result from the shrinking of an interdependent global economy. So are we doing anything about that? We doing anything, you know, at the Fed level? Are we are we doing anything to avoid disparity and poverty in this country? What about all those initiatives? What what about Tim's favorite bill? Is that going anywhere? Never tell that was that we call it the pizza bill. You know, what's happening with that? And have we have we turned our backs on all those things? Well, to the list, you gave us of your viewing habits on TV. I'd like to add Bloomberg with Bloomberg's covering the stuff twenty four seven. OK, so and they're also running a sidebar that that kind of picks up on the major news points, too. So I highly recommend it. If you want to catch up fast without and it even runs the bar during commercials. So however, I mean, it's high level. They've got all world level global experts coming in talking about all of these things. And so that kind of gives you the big picture. But I mean, the problem with the war in Ukraine and what Putin is doing and and China is going to benefit like crazy from is to you know, to in the relationship is growing stronger. I I submit regardless of, you know, any finer points, you know, about their value systems or whatever. But, you know, the inflation bad now it's good. Now it's going to get better. Now we're going to have the rate hike next week. No, no, I mean, so all of that is on there about going this way and that way. But what is encouraging about that is that they're responsive. I mean, the people are responsive, these experts, you know, to changing situations. And that's what's really important so that when they do get to the point of decision there, they're bringing this myriad of viewpoints and having to smash that and do something about putting it into a reasonable policy that's going to have some possibility of success for us. But yeah, so I think that economic crisis is honest and Biden can't pay attention to that. It's just like the Supreme Court, as you mentioned, the new one going in is is going to make some difference, probably at least is, you know, somebody standing there saying things that are important to hear. But, you know, I think we haven't done anything about moving forward on changing the Supreme Court. So this is another one of those great big to totally important and influential institutions that, yes, the State Department needs to have to get the rest of its complement. Yes, all the rest of them do too. It's critical. And that's been, you know, our detriment to our detriment and to our vulnerability increasing it, not having those executive branch filled out by the hundreds of thousands. So anyway, but the Supreme Court, Biden's not doing any or is it there? You asked this question. Say, how do you know if he is or he isn't? Presumably he has the committee that's working on that, right? But we've got to have a change in that. The committee found that nothing needed to be changed. Oh, that's true. That was about what, two weeks ago, 10 days ago. Yeah. Well, let me let me move on to Tim with perhaps the most complex question of our discussion here. Can you forgive me, Tim? Always. OK, so, you know, I don't think anybody will argue that Biden has done a lot to repair the damage with the EU and NATO. Of course, the jury's still out on what happens. You know, the failure of the Polish Steel is not necessarily good for him. But, you know, one thing I have noticed in the past few days is this. There are a lot of countries in Africa and in South America who have not condemned Russia, who have not joined with the United States or or NATO or the EU. They're all on their own. And some of them are saying, I mean, I said not a direct quote, but it's close. We love Russia. We'll always be with Russia. Russia will always be our friend. Holy moly, how did that happen? And that's in other places in the world. And of course, you have China, which not willing to take a position. So my question is, does this reveal something that we were not attending to? Is it possible that we spent a little too much time on EU and NATO when we could have should have spent some time on these other places as well? It's not that we weren't attending to it. We weren't aware to begin with. You have to remember, much of Africa is socialistic societies. And communism had fertile ground in countries that were desperately poor. And so, you know, communism was very appealing. And it has been. And, you know, again, China has, since the early 90s, has become ingratiated in many of these African nations. And so communism is not a dirty word. Socialism is not a dirty word. And so when they say, you know, Russia has been our friend. Russia has brought in goods and services. China has brought in goods and services, humanitarian aid, engineering, infrastructure improvements to many of these African nations. And so it's not that we weren't paying attention. Is we weren't paying attention way back since the 1990s. We are now because, guess what? There's raw, raw minerals that we need for our computer chips. So now we're paying attention, but only because of that. Yeah. And before we leave that very point, which is very important, like the cobalt in the Congo. Now, now China has control of that. But remember, Ukraine, there are many rare Earths in Ukraine. There are many, there are many important materials in Ukraine that we have, we have been complacent about. We have assumed that there'll always be a supply line. Russia takes over Ukraine. We won't have that anymore. I don't think, I don't think we are focusing on that. I don't think we are focusing on manufacturing. And I think to the extent that Trump talked about trying to rebuild manufacturing, he didn't see it as an interdependent world. He didn't see it as global supply lines. He figured somehow all those rare Earths would get to us. Wrong, wrong. OK, we're out of time. And I want to ask you guys to give your last thoughts. And I have a suggested question for you. My question is this, we have been dealing with all of us, you know, this is the degradation of the United States, the loss of democracy, the loss of social justice, the loss of rationality. I mean, we could go on. And it has affected me. I'll tell you, I'm sure it's affected most right thinking people I know. And it's just it's a drumbeat. It has been a drumbeat since Trump was elected.  And that's another burden. That's another degradation of the world order of morality, global morality. And all the while, as we discussed in this program, the real work has not been done, perhaps to the extent that it might have been. So my question is very subjective. We'll start with you, Karen. How do you feel about that? One thing I think that's unfortunate in terms of coverage and so forth is I think a lot of things have been done with this first bill that Biden passed. But we're not going to see the results of it for four or five years, like rebuilding the infrastructure. A lot of changes that he has made is not immediate. It's something you see in the future. And unfortunately, I don't think that registers with a lot of people.  And so I think it's unfortunate there's not more coverage of like the different ingredients of these bills and what's really going to change. And, you know, what's, for example, I did see that both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party agree that the early pundits for the party agree that the presidency, the Senate now is possibly could go back to the Democrats. And that's if, and this is a big caveat, if they choose the middle type, the old type of Republican at the local level, then it won't. But if they choose these rabid Trumpites at the local level, then there's a chance people are turning away from these people. And that means there's an opening for, you know, the senators to go Democratic. So I think that's good news. And I think from what I watched PBS News last night and actually they had a whole bunch of bills they were touting that were bipartisan that had passed this week. So I do think a lot of this bipartisan is not covered. And we don't know like, for example, there's an anti-lynching bill that just passed was bipartisan support, but it doesn't really get the news that the other issues do. So I think it's unfortunate that, you know, we're not really aware of what actually is being done in the Congress. Well, taking it all together. I mean, you're a professional in this and you do watch and think and apply critical thinking. Are you more or less optimistic about the future of the country than you were before Ukraine? Well, I don't think Ukraine has any place in my thinking, but I think I'm more optimistic because I think people are beginning to turn away from the Trump Trumpite candidates. And they're beginning to see Trump, I think decline in popularity. And so, and I think people in his own party are turning away from him. So I don't think it's a Ukraine issue, but I do, I also saw where the results of this redistricting, you know, voting votes have basically turned out to be even Stephen, you know, there's the redistricting benefited the Republicans and the Democrats to the same degree. So it didn't really, it's not really gonna affect the next election. There are some stories I think that we don't see covered Okay, I just wanna go on records and say that if the Democrats take the Senate in the next election, I'm gonna need hospitalization. That's how I feel about it. Stephanie, are you more or less optimistic or pessimistic given the compounding of these threats to our world? Very pessimistic and to put it succinctly to preserve our democracy, which has operated beautifully in its form for a long, long time and gotten us to the top of the heap here on the globe. However, if we don't do something about changing from a skeet shoot act play in our government started probably with the involvement of Newt Gingrich years ago and get out of this, everybody piling on everybody else, we are not gonna make it. And so we've got to grow up, get out of the middle school playground and get on with everybody on board. We have listed in this program how many things that are not active enough active yet in the public's knowledge. I mean, which says something about what's going on and we should know more about it and we have to have all hands on board to get at all of these issues that we're gonna maintain our leadership position and the quality of life that we have achieved because of that. So- Okay, Tim, it falls on you now.  And then before the answer is this, although I'm pessimistic, I'm seeing glimmers of optimism and it's optimism via tragedy.  It's a lesson for us that we learned in World War II, Vietnam and every other war conflict. And it's being played out right before our very eyes and it's a reminder of why we need to preserve democracy and avoid despots, autocrats and people with his personality and like his personality that have been our former president. Wow, what a panel. What a discussion. Thank you all. Tim Epicella, Stephanie Stolt-Dawton, Karen Buzzers. Thank you very much for this discussion. You're on politics for the people. Aloha.