ith erect penises fucking other men in the ass with erect penises that's not pornography that's not pornography pornography is a photo what photo it's a photo only wait then what's wrong with furry porn you were you were dodging me earlier on the big titty drawing question now we okay so our drawings okay well what if it's a hyper realistic drawing like you can draw drawings that basically just look like people these days oh so I agree that there is all kinds of phenomenon that would fall under this broader phenomenon of pornography or what is eroticism or erotica or whatever but I deliberately try to ground the discussion in a conversation about changes to the brain actual physical physiological processes so that we wouldn't get lost in this kind of debate about definitions because it's a pointless discussion to have when it comes to whether pornography is bad for society you you conflate the epistemological question of is can we ever know can we ever know with the actual ontological or moral question because there's a fact of the matter that it is yes it's good or no it's bad for society that whether we can access that true or truth or not that's a separate question so when it comes to child when it comes to child pornography everyone will agree that that is objectively bad someone could come and say oh but what about the studies there's all kinds of conflicting data or maybe the studies are all biased and that's why there's this stigma against child pornography these kinds of fallacious arguments can be used to defend all kinds of any kind of media any kind of pornographic content I was asking you whether drawings are porn what the fuck I wasn't listening to you for a second what the fuck did you get on about I was googling this shunga a type of Japanese erotic art typically executed as a kind of ukiyo-e often in woodblock print format while rare there are also extant erotic painted hand scrolls which predate these it means sex let me see enjoyed by all social groups in the Edo period this is a very explicit drawing if I got if I show this on YouTube look at look at look at it would not I would my channel would get banned is this not porn is this because they seem to like it usually that kind of usually that kind of art or erotica is is very limited in society so the Japanese said it was a Japanese if it was drawn is it drawn I just made a point about we don't need to get the exact definition of what is or is not what whether it's drawn or not that's pretty important okay it's drawn but look at the point okay so porn can be drawn so let's say it's porn let's let's just say let's just say it's porn okay let's just say it's okay so like the but that the effect on society is not the same in those societies like pornography has the effect on modern society why can't you acknowledge the difference so you keep saying that oh we pornography has always existed okay fine let me concede that okay so okay so there you go yeah let me concede but the effect on society has not been the same because technology has made it mass distributed holy shit society has changed in the past two millennia I knew that well yeah we were talking about whether pornography was socially discouraged throughout human history now that we acknowledge that drawn pornography is pornography no it wasn't just because it existed just because it existed did not mean that was not discouraged those vases that were painted in in ancient Greece with like that guys doing deep anal fucking each other those were not like scanty little shad drawings being done in an alleyway this was stuff commissioned by child porn also existed in ancient greece buddy why do you keep going back to child porn because you're a 50 in time you brought it up yeah you bring up a lot of stuff too but why can't you just because child porn is just you're committing these fucking you're committing a fallacy you're committing a fallacy by appealing to the past and I'm saying that okay if pornography is okay because it's existed throughout history well child porn has also existed we're talking it's also been on the urns on the vases of whether or not eaves and all of this has also existed all of this has existed James I'm so sorry I'm just saying I just want to say just as a reminder the specific question was whether porn has been shunned all throughout history to which the objective answer is no those things were commissioned by the aristocracy they were widely enjoyed this doesn't mean that socially acceptable or widely enjoyed the next one and on your mouse says vosh prawn takes away the luster in the face the fire in the eyes you have none that's true if only we had the luster in your mom's eyes after I blew my load after her face you know if only we could all be that happy honest to god I know it's a joke but people like that are really fucking creepy what a zinger what a zinger look in the mirror and you know they're thinking like fuck if only you're genius holy shit you wait you got your chance in the interruption nobody cared don't make four attempts at it you know they're you're like in very obscene you know they're looking is that necessary why is he like this he's like mad the level of obsceneity is like yeah he's like he's like this is this is going beyond like terms of service a better batter a better batter I just smacked vosh with an insult I gotta give him a chance to at least respond yeah but you didn't insult him like that you didn't insult him like talking about his mom I haven't insulted you at all I insulted some random guy who don't know by saying I came that's not appropriate that's not appropriate oh I'm sorry you fucking pussy calm down Jesus Christ was that an insult do you keep bringing up child pornography because that's your mental age he said something rude about a chatter's mom what the fuck is wrong with you how old are you wow you're a beard you're really trigger man well anything from James James just moving on all right Joshua says what is Daniel's opinion on enforcing morality standards on media media does influence people so should a government limit things like glorification of crime and movies he wants to ban serious catalogs I think he'll do whatever you could if you could demonstrate that there is a societal harm that comes from certain kinds of media and yes the government is justified to ban it the government does ban all kinds of things already on the basis of societal harm and Joe Biden is no exception to that look at the amount of things that are being constantly banned because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris determined that that's bad for society look at the whole gun argument that the left constantly uses they think that gun violence is this huge harm and they want it media banning yeah so media wait what first amendment violations has Joe Biden what anti first amendment takes as Joe Biden well they work to regulate the internet on the spread of certain conspiracy theories or covid this information what they define as disinformation there's all kinds of regulations they're pushing these kinds of laws that this is extremist speech what is misinformation yeah where look at look at DHS the department of homeland homeland security look at the department of disinformation that they are trying to to create so what in order to create civil and legal liabilities for those who spread certain types of speech for like defamation and libel yeah we already have laws on those but they've been around for hundreds of years these are these are laws about extremism these are laws about who's been charged this is laws about insurrection laws laws on terrorism these are all about speech these are all about what laws have been created he doesn't he doesn't know you want to have a the she's talking about yeah i do you don't know anything if you want to have a debate on free speech i'm happy to have that debate i know you want because you want to just talk about this because you like talking to me because i'm happy you're entranced by my on on any of these topics can you name a law like hb like a number like one law that's been passed by the bite administration to curtail first member rights yeah look at the countering violent extremism policy that the biden administration uses that the fbi uses that the department of homeland security uses realize that that if you if you if you if you if you express if you express well the scope of what is considered violent and what is considered extremism is constantly expanding so they do do you arrest it who's definition no no let me finish like this is kind of tactic where you're trying to interrupt me you're not telling me a law i am telling you if you let me finish these are policies in the government that are used by the executive branch they're found under the different departments like the fbi like department of homeland security like all of these agencies under biden and it's not just biden it was under trump too like i'm not a trump fan trump biden obama all of these presidents and throughout the us government have banned certain types of speech that they viewed like what like look at co-intel pro look at the kind of okay restrictions that were brought against we're talking about biden i agree co-intel pro was a violation of people's us yeah so the definition of extremism includes speech people can say something that the government decides is extremism like even though they haven't no no not that threats if you like are you know saying something like in favor of Islamic government non-violence who's been arrested for that do you want me to give you a list of imams that i know personally that i've been detained who's been arrested in the united states for being muslims yeah i know that you think all Muslims are rapists as you've said but there have been restrictions on Muslims in the united states through cv e through the patriot act through surveillance biden has the patriot act i thought you were talking about changes in the term of extremism but you can't tell me what change every time i answer your question you add some other question because you completely same one how you debated on all of these issues you don't know what you're talking about bro i'm gonna go to the next one just make some crude remark again like that's your go to a crude remark i'm sorry for offending your sensibilities so wear a hijab next time brenton langels says as someone who is polyamorous polygamy as practiced in islam and Mormonism is inherently abusive it's not about bonding it's about supremacy a healthy relationship must be equal regardless of numbers i have several i have a wife and several boyfriends hell yeah at space to shit yeah it's pretty obvious that the polygamy shit this guy pushes for has nothing to do with like um like pair bonding or like honest committed relationships but it's just like man's expressing his dominion over women it's funny that like somebody advocating that aspect of muslim faith would pretend they give a shit about pair bonding we've already determined that a lot of your positions are not based on empiricism either what the fuck wait because you said that there's it's just coincidental i can't deal with eight hours of you misunderstanding a basic thing i said okay it's a misunderstanding it's a misunderstanding just continue just check the hiddies okay they'll tell you what i said because it's written in there with god's word this is from usb in first try says people who think porn is creepy watch creepy porn franco truillo says was wondering what was bothering me about the question we can't ax out the other half of this the conversation can't stop it whether it's bad but what to do about it i'm personally fine talking about whether or not it should be banned vassily and tanoff says vash doesn't like the state legislating morality how would he feel about cultural shift towards what daniel advocates without any legislation i think that the the pre-existing civil rights legislation that we have is good if the cultural changes that he wants to well first of all the changes he's advocating for like legal predominantly if people made a cultural shift towards like not using pornography though i wouldn't want the state to like force people to look at porn more generally speaking using the government to force cultural changes has just not worked out it's really fucking bad and it's it's just deeply authoritarian practice you know i think the government exists to protect people their rights and to facilitate like infrastructural development stuff like that keep the systems you know sort of laid in order but everything outside of that i think it's up to humans to decide what they want to do and you know the the path they want to walk down yeah so i mean circular argument because you're basically saying that the government should protect the rights of whatever i think is moral and that's justified and wherever i don't think is moral or has no moral basis then yeah i mean that's what your argument that is true you realize your argument right now is i give evidence we can't make distinctions between things your argument could be used to justify child pornography no jessica that was a parody that was a parody of your argument that's okay argument at a certain do you know what that means do you think it should be able to shoot i was showing you how absurd that argument that you are showing me your ask which should be against your faith do you know do you think it should be illegal to shoot muslims you can't even understand a basic can you answer my question once ever are you scared of everything that you can't answer any of my questions can you answer do you think it should be legal to shoot muslims i'm going to a suit you don't think it should be legal okay oh but you think it should you think it should be legal to walk down the street then like this is completely well you blew me away with your argument no but that's literally what you just did to me that's literally that's literally yeah that's literally underwhelming did that oh that's amazing what a literal wow did that feel low IQ you're too you're too sharp bosh i'm like completely outmatched we're looking in a mirror right now it's the curse of the lights bouncing back and forth too much such a brilliant so brilliant franco drulo says was wondering what was bothering me about the question we oh we got that one they said love this content and all credit to the speakers gotta say that it's their content we appreciate all of our guests they make this show what it is and robin sparkles says vosh his statement regarding cps remind me what is that cp i haven't made statements on child pornography this fucking guy has like 80 times i know i think he's got the names mixed up they said regarding cp lack of appeal directly contradicts the statements is mr girl convo 1416 would be obviously be a top search fairly legal is now what i don't know what this means either i i don't know and i feel like that person should see a therapist i have no fucking clue what they're trying to say alex jones says how are free porn sites funded and you can't say advertisements or quote people buy subscriptions no way just that covers the costs what what have you seen how many ads there are on a porn page i promise you those free porn sites are paid for by advertisements that's why there were 17 trillion fucking videos in every corner of the screen yeah i think they're trying to suggest that like some women are trafficked or like forced into it and that oh yeah but that's that has nothing to do with the free porn site the free porn site just repost shit from other places or people free upload that that is nothing the trafficking happens yeah but that's not they they don't they're not producing the pornography they just host it there are places that produce pornography like porn sites like browsers or whatever though that place is legit enough that they probably don't do human trafficking yeah but no i mean obviously trafficking is a real issue so meme and scheme says why will vosh debate random topics with a moderator with small creators but refuses let's see yep we want topics that are germane to the event usb in first try says i want to go back to magazines found in the woods by the way basically meme and scheme was they were just asking vosh will you debate nick flentes and we know that you have declined before and uh he can literally just email me he's the biggest pussy in the universe and every fan of us that continues this this charade is just as big of a person brenton langel says daniel you have not showed that porn is harmful in and of itself you have only shown that porn can be addictive sometimes under certain circumstances no the argument was not about addiction addiction if you go back to the opening statement is one aspect of it but the main harm is the psychological changes that occur it changes people's values it changes people's behavior and it decreases the ability to get into these kinds of loving relationships build families that's the argument and it is a consequentialist argument it's a it's a utilitarian argument but that's something legitimate i don't have to make an argument on the basis of the inherent harm or the or the inherent evil of pornography like i can agree that it is inherently evil but morality is sometimes multifaceted you can make it a utilitarian argument you can also make a deontological argument there's no conflict between the two and islamic moral reasoning involves both utilitarian aspects what's called maslaha and also deontological aspects such as things being bad in and of it in and of themselves i think it's hey my religion says it's bad i think it's inherently bad and it's bad in and of itself but coincidentally here are some misinterpreted studies that prove i'm right remember the studies do show that it's um your relationship will be better if you look at porn with your partner so i look forward to um dark brandon sending swat teams to every home to make sure you're jerking off with your wife while watching like uh some chick at gang bang secret xxx stars says daniel people frequently come into physical harm because of their real life relationships do human relationships therefore need regulations or curtailing the same way you believe that porn does yeah of course there's all kinds of harms that come from all kinds of relationships you could have there are so many examples of teachers taking advantage of their students whether it's like grade school or even college does that mean we have to dissolve colleges because of this teacher student relationship or dissolve public schools because of that no so there's always going to be a certain amount of abuse that happens or oppression that happens in any kind of human relationship even the relationship between a president or a congress and government and the people there is abuse that happens all the time through corruption or whatever else but that doesn't mean we ban the concept of government or we get rid of the concept or the institution of government that's just to be expected of all human relationships you got it and thank you very much for this question coming in from franco true although it says you have to look at context and what causes people to over consume whether it's worth banning etc you can't just say banning reduces it even if true and leave it there seems dishonest we need to weigh these things appropriately yeah again the issue is that there's no empirical measure of what like what good freedom is of it in and of itself like humans are innately disposed towards freedom we like having choices in our lives the overwhelming evidence we have on a psychological and sociological level is that it's generally not good for humans to have like some greater power telling them what to do or what not to do not count it of course so you know I am biased towards freedom of course but but when you're when you're looking at like well how do you weigh that against this that or the other you know at the very least if you're going to have this conversation you'd better make sure the data on its harm is bulletproof but in this case it's just not you know porn is just another thing people can have behavioral biases towards which is like so many things fall into that you know but he would ban Sears robot catalogs he would ban video games like what life would you be living you know there's a reason why all the rich people who live in the Muslim world run off to Dubai where the all of the morality police basically turn their eyes so they can get drunk and fuck as many people as they want you know it's because they don't want to live in that world either the moment they have the power and social capital to escape the tyranny of Islamic morality police they go fucking hog wild and do whatever they want they do more than whatever we'd want they do lots of bad things in Dubai you know the problem is like this is just a fundamentally unrealistic attitude toward how humans behave and what guides their behavior now human freedom is curtailed by every government because no one is allowed to do whatever they want there's all kinds of laws premised on banning things that are harmful or considered evil that's how laws work so things are always going to be people's freedoms are always going to be restricted to a certain extent but the circularity in Bosch's argument is that he just presupposes the things that he considers to be moral should be allowed absolute freedom whereas the things that he thinks should be restricted or are evil he's fine with all kinds of bans he's fine with the government actually restricting that to the maximum extent this one coming in from do appreciate it Hasan Sayed says Vash you said in the past that consuming child prawn should be legal is this still your position sorry I'd consumed one too many of the muslim skeptic videos but I've since reformed and I no longer believe that nominal says is porn bad for society Daniel wins should we ban porn Vash wins looks like Daniel got this one what I don't think he won the banning debate either but oh this this one says us I think I think Allah won every part of this debate as as any faithful member of the flock should us be in first try says problem is that negative effects of porn are impossible to quantify lower sex drive depression etc just like what booze does to us or bad food I mean a lot of people turn towards pornography addiction or they nobody turns to addictions more like they turn towards the thing and get addicted because they already feel kind of bad right like I like it just you can find this often talking to people there are qualitative studies on this if you talk to people who are experiencing depression very like more often they're not their story is you know I felt bad because these things in my life are going wrong and then to like cope with that I started like you know doing this that the other and like that and things went downhill from there you know very rarely is it like my life was going great and then I looked at porn and then I looked at it more and then everything else went wrong and I got depressed you know it can happen but in reality usually these things are a lot more complicated and multivariate and frankly like a lot of these depressed people you take porn away they're not going to go and get married or whatever they're just going to be like depressed and have a harder time jerking off I don't know if I'd make things better for them and this is related to a another debate that I had is that there's always going to be conflicting facts and all any kind of issue that you want to talk about society is going to be complicated and multivariate things like gun ownership abortion immigration all of these things are multivariate and the facts are always going to conflict or the empirical data is not always going to fully support one particular position but we do the best we can with certain kinds of arguments and yes ideology and relief religious belief does play a factor I as a Muslim bring my beliefs as a Muslim to the table but I'm open about that whereas liberals or people like Vosh will pretend like they're only operating on the basis of empirical empiricism but they smuggle in a lot of liberal values about freedom and equality into the discussion beyond what the empiricism can actually prove you can't prove a moral position through empirical facts that's the moral facts are based on the moral facts are based on empirical data there's no such thing as a moral fact but like for example again if you want to ban guns you will bring facts about how it causes a lot of death how it's used in mass shootings these are facts that support your moral position that we should we ought to ban guns for example how do you know that death is bad what if human suffering is good actually well those things that's a very valid point but usually like in these discussions there are some very basic things universally that people agree on like death is bad family is good marriage is good that's why I have that whole opening statement about we all agree that pair bonding you know having loving relationships is good everyone agrees this is a fallacy of popularity you know just because people agree on a thing so every you know people here in America like what they agree on is lumbophobia so that's morally correct no obviously we have to return to some kind of predicating moral justification in my case it would be an axiomatic belief in your case it would be you know religious beliefs but your axiomatic beliefs you acknowledged earlier that they are based or they are they do coincide with empirical reality right no they're they're I sustain the maximization of those beliefs through things that I believe are empirical reality but I don't think you can support an axiom with empirical reality and an axiom is metaphysical it comes before empirical reality this is your god right do you appreciate your question why my says isn't the study that porn causes cheating a direct counter to the study that says porn prevents people from looking for sex so that's for me interesting question yeah so the people who watch pornography in relationships what the study I cited shows is that they have dissatisfaction with their partners because they compare their partners to what they see on the screen and this makes them more likely to want to go beyond the parameters of the marital bond so that's the way the researchers explain it but for someone who is not someone who is not married then you know even the person in the marriage will have a lower sex drive but the people are driven by the desire for novelty and so that's something that affects a marriage in a way that it doesn't affect the bachelor who's by himself in his apartment that can make you more or less likely to go have sex with new people you know it really depends on what's spookier do you appreciate April Cox's what causes more harm in the world porn or Islam well I imagine we'll have different answers to this one to be clear all the shit like I don't there's not really a difference between Muslims and Christians I guess and maybe you guys are more fucked up about like keeping women like clothes or something I don't really know you guys are all the same all the like religious fascism tends to take the same form no matter where you are so all the shit I've said about Islam here if I was talking to a Christian fascist I'd be making the exact same fucking jokes not a Christian fascist it's like well I know you're not a Christian I'm not a fascist I'm not a Muslim fascist again this is like a very Islamophobic type of argument but the traditional kind of Christianity traditional Islam you're right there are a lot of parallels when it comes to sexual morality but also traditional Hinduism traditional Buddhism traditional Confucianism all of these are patriarchal religions prior to modernity like if you look at their sacred scriptures and texts and their teachings they all teach this kind of patriarchal morality that today is associated with Islam so the kind of problems that you would have Bosch with Islam you actually have with all all traditional yeah I just I just said that yeah not just Islam and Christianity you'd have a problem with Buddhism with Confucianism with Zoroastrianism and so forth I don't know anything about Zoroat yeah I don't know anything about that particular religion but probably yeah um I don't like Sikhism Sikhism all of them most of the Sikhs that I've met have been really cool but I they probably believe some fucked up stuff yeah this one coming in from imagine imagine what they think about you Bosch well I don't have a knife so they probably think I'm a cuck this one coming in from Alyosha says the literature is clear that porn rewires the brain it says how is it possible Bosch doesn't understand the distinction between production what? literally everything rewires the brain literally everything your brain you realize you couldn't learn if new information didn't rewire your brain right that's literally how you learn things that's the reason you're different from bugs okay yes everything rewires it aging rewires it the temperature of the area that you live in rewires everything rewires it okay stop stop stop looking in the mirror thinking your life is falling apart going online misunderstanding basic socio psychology and then becoming a fascist over it okay stop this stuff is really complicated I know there are scary terms associated with porn addiction but a lot of psychosocial terms are scary there's a scary genre it's a scary field don't don't freak out over it okay look at the broader discipline look at the Wikipedia article and subject all right you'll freak out less Tim Pryor says no it's not it's how your parents raised you if I got told to sit in the corner I would have been more violent now because I did not get my butt beat people need to pull that stick out of their behind while we're on the subject of evidence all the evidence shows that spanking just does not make people better in any way whatsoever literally zero evidence for it and there's counter evidence like spanking tends to make people more like fucked up makes them more paranoid less trusting of others stuff like that which makes sense because they got you know hit by their parents so yeah like while we're on that subject and this one coming in from do appreciate your question as well FAMO TV says Vosh what's your take on broken relationships and poor sex lives because of men comparing their wives or girlfriends to the porn stars they see well I think that's a problem with a guy right porn stars are like it's it's it would be like it would be like looking at like like an actor in a TV show or something and being like you know wow why can't my partner be that hot like you see hotter people in media all the time you know like that's a problem with the mindset when you're looking at porn you're not looking at like the shit everyone goes through every day okay even very famous successful people aren't doing porn star shit every day because people don't fuck like porn stars because porn stars are fucking for a camera not for themselves like that speaks to me to like an immaturity in the mindset you know like like and that can happen in a lot of ways and we know that's a trope right of like women like seeing like a handsome like James D and S actor and going oh and then they like compare every guy to that or like this is the thing that happens you know but we shouldn't do it I think that's rude to your partner it's not good you got it thank you very much thanks very much for all of your questions we're going to try to speed through the ones that we have yet folks got to say please don't send in anymore we got to get these guys out of here by a decent time it's been like two hours and 50 minutes so we got to move fast it's been pretty uh pretty on this one from FAMO TV says boss just like your comparison with moms taking a dump and the Muslim hate thing your analogies are off it's apples and oranges dude in response to your peeping Tom joke since you're an atheist how would this be wrong if the woman doesn't know about it ignorance is bliss because I think people have a right to privacy as a concept within their own home and in some other places and I think that the expectation that people should have that is like something worth protecting after all like it's not only bad to do something if it only like if the person knows right like groping a person while they're asleep is also bad even if they never find out you know you should have a right to understand that even if you're not aware you have certain like rights to privacy and to to bodily autonomy also my comparisons are great the mom taking a dump thing was on point fuck you this one coming in from Tim Pryor says I'll try this one more time God made us to enjoy sex but Daniel you'll believe it's wrong to do sex right do you see why this is silly no Muslims believe that sex is something that's very important it's something that is meant to be enjoyed with your wife with your spouse and it's something that's actually encouraged it's something that is considered beautiful and wholesome in Islam and there's nothing against sex in Islam what sex does is it regulates sexual behaviors that are destructive or are deontologically or inherently vile and wrong such as you know sex with animals or other types of sexualities but sex between a husband and wife that is something great it's something beautiful it's something that sustains society and we have to work to protect the institution of marriage the institution of procreation and having families and that is purely Islam you have sex with your wife to like negate the urge to fuck your dog is that how it works for you that's pretty fucking weird this is really disrespectful Vosha that you just try not to insult you you just said that wait you just said that you just said you have sex with your wife to negate other degenerate no I did not say that I did not say that at all wait chat did I miss I'm going to just be as respectful as possible and not reciprocate but I just want to note that this is very offensive Vosha we must go to the next one Brennan Langel says alpha males are not real you will notice Daniel lied when he said one hit of crack changes your brain that's not true I mean most of what he said has been like narrativizing over a really really shaky empirical basis it's obvious when he starts talking about things that are day ontologically wrong where he's actually coming at this from you know it's it's pretty it's pretty clear Daniel any thoughts on this is Brenton full of it wait who's you said his name but I can't remember his questions he said alpha males are not real but just look at James James is the great example you guys know James like six you're all huge Faye says if porn is bad it is very important to define porn you got it Vosha gave us the standard congressional definition of porn as you know when you see it but this one cafe nation as the analysis Vosha is against child porn because of the exploitation of children what about animated child porn since no child is being exploited and some adults who might find that arousing would get pleasure out of it well right now we don't have any laws and drawings of that as very evidenced by any fucking anime forums anytime any anime comes out unfortunately I think the problem there is that I don't necessarily know if the state should run in and be like putting out the calipers and whether or not a drawing is 17 and a half or 18 I do however think that like any enjoyment of that stuff is pretty fucked up so like this is another question of whether direct state intervention can like actually solve anything and my question is like if the state was on Twitter and and like looking at like what is obviously a lolly drawing and then the author is like actually she's 18 like is this is the law going to solve this problem for me the actual solution to this problem is being really fucking mean to people who post that shit that's the for me that's the actual solution I again I think this is what a cultural thing like if you're if you're like in a fucking anime community some shit people like oh my god I love this anime lolly girl whatever like you should be like what the fuck is wrong with you and that I think that would actually do more because there is way too little shaming of that shit in those communities I'll tell you you got it and folks I'm telling you please I mean I appreciate that everybody's so pumped about this debate we've had a ton of questions we just can't take anymore if it's gotta run sit three hours if I see any more questions as of this moment I'm gonna load the page so that I can see all the new ones that came in like I just can't read it and I'm sorry if we don't read it and even if you submitted it but for real if you're listening out there folks we really can't take any more because we want to get these guys to bed by a decent time this one coming in from Plummy 005 before we ask that just I asked a follow-up like what you didn't really answer the question boss like what is the problem with looking at those drawings oh because I think that like the cultural normalization of fetishizing aesthetics that are like associated with underage people obviously that pushes people towards bad behavior right so like you wouldn't want like I wouldn't want that in any community I was in like if I was enjoying like fucking Steven Universe or some shit I wouldn't want people so then like the kind of well there's plenty of pornographic material that is mimicking behavior that is illegal right there's like rape porn there's bestiality there is all kinds of things that are legal there's a very porn you know it's though you think that those should be legal as well I think that's actually really difficult question right because like if you follow that logic you could say like well here's a hentai where the guy like rapes her now whether or not you're into that sort of thing and I'm not like should it be illegal to post that I think I would defer to the same thing that I'd say about the lolly shit and I would say like I think that culturally it should be disincentivized to whatever extent I guess feels morally right I so I would have to think about that because I do think that's an interesting question because I think that people who post lolly should be like mega bullied but if somebody is into noncon art I don't think they should be mega bullied you know because there are a lot of people who enjoy that kink in the context of a healthy relationship right I guess that would be the difference in the context of like the lolly con shit you can't healthily enact anything lolly con in real life their children whereas you can do consensual nonconsensual roleplay with an adult and that can be sort of represented in like drawn pornography so yeah I think that's really complicated that might be like the general trend that I would try to follow though this one from light of the twin lamp says Israel used porno as a psychological warfare they played porno audio in the Gaza concentration camp which Bosch supports what's it what I support the Gaza camp what the fuck this is like saying I support drinking what like I like water drinking water so you're like us you support waterboarding and in Gitmo what the fuck you talking about they were using the porn because like a lot of people in Gaza are Muslims and very socially conservative when it comes to porn so it's a form of like demoralization right like you could do the same thing to an American like if you played a bunch of like I don't know shit what do Americans hate I don't know um school shooting audio or some outfucking you could like yeah it's like a demoralization thing but the sound of like pornography does not innately like fuck your brain or whatever it's just like a way of establishing supremacy but I'm not in favor of Israeli supremacy over the Gaza strip I'm actually quite famous for not believing that you got this one coming in from light of the twin lamps we got that they said I'll read that other one later in the after show Tim Pryor says apparently now that it is a thing I no long I no longer identify myself as a human being you all are embarrassing okay thanks for that Tim I identify as an attack helicopter myself fraymo tv says did vosh really resort to internet insults like a sissy boy well this one coming in from what age am I in what what I'm sorry Jesus Christ what is live streaming anymore sissy but is that a sissy boy thing you've got guys with their like a pink top straps and fucking giant butt plugs sitting online and salty shit actually that does happen hold on that's just twitter okay wait they might have a point this one from lights aliyasha says vosh the FBI clearly told zucker droid to spike hunter's laptop okay this isn't really about the we'll ask you guys for questions about the topics that the guests have prepared for but I'm gonna humor this one says Matt to no I'm not we don't have time Ian game it's it's complicated I know what they're saying and it's complicated thank you sir you got it this one yang game dude says Daniel my dude I literally heard you defending let's see okay so folks again we're looking for topics on questions on the topic people are mad today it's okay says vosh what's wrong with polygamy okay anything but porn questions folks say the U.S. is notorious for polyamorous relationships such as what brenton is in no laws prohibiting a man from having 50 girlfriends hypocrite I don't have anything against polygamy I have a problem with male only polygamy because I fucking know this guy this is not okay with like one chick having like 50 husbands or whatever so um so polygamy is a concept but well I don't like marriage in general but as long as we have marriage I'm fine with polygamy but like in the Muslim world polygamy is like he I mean Daniel literally said it like it tends to be like a wealthy high status guy who basically would just have like 50 mistresses who he fucks and doesn't care about but because that's not allowed he just marries all of them instead so now he just has 50 wives he doesn't care about and we pretend this is like wholesome and trad values or whatever so it's like a fucked version of it basically but like I'm not against it inherently this one coming in from Jamie Russell Christian Middle says Bosch and Trump 2024 this one coming in from absolutely Woody Woodpecker thanks for your super sticker of Rainbow and FAMO TV says Bosch how about the studies that show if you resort to salty internet insults and a debate you've lost and now you're just a panicking soy boy wow they're coming at you why are they why are people you're so sensitive but I've been doing this for three and a half years I'm not exactly a stranger to the spicy engagement I didn't realize it was so unpopular here my god we're having fun Daniel's having fun he insulted me I insulted him we're having no no no no I didn't insult you I only reciprocated but I don't know but we have fun it was like some rough house how you can have fun you don't you can have fun without using this kind of language like I'm sorry I'll wear a burka next time I'm a goddamn American Liz says Vosh is speaking of hyper realistic drawings what are your thoughts on hyper realistic drawings of children it exists and why do people keep going to this why should it be banned in particular what you know what I just sure unleash the fed shoot everyone I don't care what I don't know how hyper realistic like they took an existing drawing of child abuse and then put through one of those like etch encoders or like they drew it so methodically that it just looks real I don't fucking know send the feds their house I don't care why why do we I I don't know we're like we're like trying to reallocate like the micron thin line people keep trying to like make me dance on or something just don't do that shit don't do any of it it's bad fun adults fuck check with giant fat titties fucking huge milkers come on man just what I mean I mean child porn 70 times no I was a big titties and that's the bad address I wanted to address the concept you know of child pornography but I wanted I didn't want to include you in that or like regurgitate kind of the trolling against you because I'll say it very clearly Vosh for anyone who keeps asking about child pornography Vosh has stated many times he is against child pornography I want to be clear that you know you have stated your position very unambiguously I only wanted to bring up the topic because it's related to the issues of obscenity and morality not as a way to bait you or create clips from that that wasn't my tactic Vosh so I just want to show like this was all in good faith I just I'm interested in debating this topic I am kind of offended by some of the things that you said but if you you know you said that you didn't mean to be offensive okay I can understand that I consider the obscenity a part of my general demeanor but I appreciate that yeah I don't yeah it's not I don't try to treat it or think of it as a smearing thing or whatever this one from FAMO TV says Vosh Pornhub got busted for it you guessed it child porn how do you know children still aren't being exploited by this industry you're so heavily defending I'm not I'm not so heavily defending I'm literally just saying that government shouldn't ban its entire existence I don't know if that's a heavy defense yeah dude it's a serious fucking problem and Pornhub actually did like the gigachat move right there and banned like two-thirds of the shit hosted on their site probably saved a lot of server costs too and now you can only upload stuff to Pornhub if you have a verified account which means showing them proof of among other things the fact that you're an adult which is good it's actually the main reason why I don't like amateur pornography you know people talk about amateur pornography being more authentic than like professional pornography which is true but it's also completely fucking unregulated which means that you know like I don't know and you've heard I've heard so many stories too of people saying like yeah I was raped on camera like three years ago when somebody uploaded it and I contacted these porn sites they wouldn't take it down there's a lot of fucked stuff up there yeah but I don't think you're going to solve any of these issues by like just the government flat banning the shit you that needs like a holistic feminist approach towards these issues making it easier for like misbehavior to be reported or like encouraging a culture of of taking these issues seriously or have police test any one of the trillions of rape kits they just let mold in their back room you know it's a broader social problem and Facebook has an enormous amount of child pornography too unfortunately it's a broader internet issue yeah it's it's pretty bad it's bad out there we live in a hell world this one coming in from do appreciate your question Jan ours is why naval gaze about definitions and measuring by utility stuck in the Anglo-Skinner box the real debate here is Islam versus ethics of Marquis de Sade I could never compete with the ethics of Islam all glory Matthew Booth says Vosh is based but Daniel wouldn't it be better for your argument to just increase funding to mental health for people with addictions to porn rather than banning yeah like I said I wasn't committed to saying that banning is the only way imagine if you took banning off the table fine I can still you know agree that this is something that's bad for society it should be curbed we agree on that then we can determine what is the best way to actually reduce its use in society maybe Vosh is absolutely correct banning is not going outright banning is not the best way to do that we can agree to disagree on what is the best or most effective way to reduce the usage of pornography but that's like separate like it's a separate conversation that this debate wasn't supposed to be about social stigma is very important using all kinds of institutional psychological programs that can be important as well changing the culture is important why can't there be a stigma against pornography usage in the same way that there's a stigma against you know other types of illegal what what has been banned illegal pornography so these are things that we can have a conversation about I don't I think there's a lot of room to debate on that but the main topic is is this immoral or not and that's why I tried to show you got it thank you very much for your question this one coming in from Alyosha says how are those STD rates working out for you Vosh what the fuck how does jerking off the porn cause what how does jerking off the porn give you STD wait does it wait oh this dude wait I'm I'm getting worried now what the fuck this one from analchames says Vosh is watching cp bad if it's cartoon it's god it's like they're asking me for permission like it's like all these people like Vosh I've got a hot take for you and they're like sweating they're like okay do you think he's gonna like you he's gonna give me the argument I don't I don't know what you want I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm so sorry James and I'm sorry to you too I love you buddy I know it's every it's like the hundredth one this one from Omega Supreme to Vosh I'm from a rich family and I enjoy my life under Islam in KSA bingo you lying plummy 005 says for both is what do you believe the legal age of consent should be you know what just make it just make it 50 just make it 50 that's fine 50 is fine I don't I guess you know we've got some inertial momentum keeping us at 18 so that's cool if you want a serious answer I actually think you can make a decent argument for raising it because like people don't really age as quickly now as they used to right like 15 years old back like 400 years ago you were like the like working on the farm like you know you were basically like treated like an adult nowadays 18 year olds are like infants like they're fucking children like you like you can see a high school graduating class full of 18 year olds and they're all like baby people you know so if it was kicked to 21 or whatever I don't I don't know there's actually like an interesting hormonal discussion on the way in which aging has changed over time people look younger longer nowadays I think there was a Vsauce video on that anyway anyway I don't fucking just 18 or higher like whatever many thoughts Daniel no I mean that's an interesting discussion FAMO TV says Vaj in your debate with YouTuber Vegan Gaines you stated that you believe that it should not be I'm going to kill myself in Minecraft no sure James go right ahead absolutely I'm ready for this incredibly novel inquiry into my positions here yeah I know I'd say you're reading through it it's like getting fucking a mogus jump scared or something Jesus fucking Christ whatever whatever the answer to whatever his question is you can step by just the answer is yes or no whichever one is less weird like folks if we see a duplicate question we gotta jump over it Brenton Langles says no traditional Buddhism is not patriarchal I don't remember so they said read the lotus sutra the dragon king's daughter obliterates patriarchy that sounds fucking rad the dragon king's daughter holy shit I did a video on the patriarchy of Buddhism with citations to primary sources from their religious texts there are statements from the Buddha himself that are like women are like evil vipers and you should separate yourself from women and just go and be a monk those are direct statements from the Buddha so it's hard to argue that Buddhism traditionally isn't misogynistic or patriarchal but check out my video on the topic you got it on this one by the way more than half of the people on a scale of 1 to 10 more than half said that this debate was a 10 or a 12 I really enjoyed myself I do have to dip though it's been three hours 11 that's a solid commitment but I've had a tremendous time we'll let you go if there are any questions I'm gonna let's see I'm gonna read them to Daniel while he's still here if Daniel if you're willing to stick around Bosch I understand if you gotta go I totally don't blame you same thing Daniel if you have to go to hit me one or two more then I'm good to go let me just make sure I get the ones that are asking you that question I gotta filter out 80% of them off the back Aleoja says Bosch unlike the west Islamic societies are able to hit replacement rates that has more to do with rates of industrialization if you look at it the replacement rates averaged around the world like it's basically 100% level of industrial proliferation like the stage of society that people are on however I don't think there's anything inherently good about like hitting replacement rate if you're doing so through things that I would consider unethical right like you could also just have rape camps if you want it you know like you can you can hit the replacement rate if you want to but yeah no I do I do think more could be done but I think it has more to do with cultural alienation which is kind of like the Marxian answer on my part you got it they're only if you're willing to humor me Bosch I'm sorry there are only two more one of them it's a little bit like so they say Benny Kay Ebbinson says Bosch you just mentioned quote a right to privacy for all humans is that a moral judgment if not can you expand um I think that people feel more comfortable when they know that there's kind of like a general protection a general expectation that they're not going to be violated even if an individual violation doesn't hurt them in any way it's possible the knowledge that there might be a violation like could right so like empirically speaking if I'm at a party and I get drunk and pass out and someone moves me to the bed if somebody like walks over to me and like ropes my dick or whatever like that does not it literally doesn't hurt me if I wake up I never know but if someone tells me I'm still going to be furious about it you know and I think the reason for that is because it's good to have an assumption of some protections even if they're sometimes like vestigial or um not strictly like like they're not like they're not utilitarian in that specific instance you know you want the knowledge that you're you're consistently protected and not just like what you don't know will hurt you you got to this one thank you very much for your question this one only because I I'm like well I'll just let you kill me they said wash according to drama report that's not what you think oh drama report oh okay I'm ready for this the this fucking investigative journalism into my life did it they say I only want to ask you because it gives you a chance because it was already in the live chat so hundreds will see it or have seen it already and thousands will see it after this is you know done and I want to give you a chance to actually respond because it is kind of like a like gruesome accusation and I have a feeling that it's I want to you to be able to defend yourself they say according to drama report there are allegations about you admitting to watching child porn my guess is this is not true I'll give you a chance to respond that's not true I think at one point I was saying that like hentai sites are really bad to use because there's a fuck ton of like lolly hentai on them that's probably what he might have heard or something I said something like if you're like fucking flipping through a hentai site or whatever like you're going to see some lolly shit or whatever which is obviously an indication that I've seen lolly shit which is something that will inevitably happen if you even casually view hentai out of your peripheral vision at some point it's one of the reasons why I think these people should be bullied way to fuck more but you know I mean if somebody wants to interpret that as me admitting I've seen cp it's pretty fucking bad faith you got it and with that we'll let you go Vosh because it is super super late so I do want to actually let you go get some rest same thing Daniel if you have to go I don't blame you otherwise there are a few that Daniel I save for you that in particular are for you if you have a moment I love you guys I love you both glory to Allah I know there are some other sayings but I don't remember all of them because I'm fucking infidel so I hope you both have a wonderful evening James always good to see you I hope you have a great time take care thank you Daniel you take care as well thank you Vosh thank you for your time appreciate it for sure I'm going to re-shramble the screen folks and in the meantime I got a question for you Daniel Empress says Daniel what do you think of Allah's Den's number I don't know what this means Den's number I don't know what that means me neither and this one thank you very much for your question this one also for Daniel actually well Samir Farsin says most serial rapists have shown a history of porn addiction criminal psychologists all agree the obsession always starts small and then matures to a crime I'm not sure if Vosh would disagree with that per se although I would say yeah you would he would disagree with that he thinks that rapes have gone down like the amount of rape in society has gone down well that was a question for Vosh I wish I would have I didn't realize it was for Vosh or I would have read it while he was here but I want to say thank you very much folks for being with us we appreciate you being here it's always fun and thank you very much Daniel it's been a true pleasure to have you as well thank you very being with us tonight it's been a long one yeah very long debate and very harmful to my ears I hope the audience because my audience isn't used to this amount of swearing so I was hoping that he would respect that but I mean things happen so I apologize to my audience for being exposed to that level of obscenity in the in the debate which I thought it was going to be more academic in nature you got it well I want to say that was a long one but a fun one no doubt about it like I said 50 percent said they'd give it either a 10 or a 12 want to say thanks so much folks for all of your questions as well as thanks for sharing this video as roughly 19 percent have shared this video which is a huge amount of people and we see we just appreciate that our guests are linked in the description so if you after having been exposed to Daniel 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mentioned this but well I did last night I mentioned that we are hosting debate con on oh yeah Daniel I don't know if I told you about the new date we are so this debate conference which Daniel was on our last one and he was in actually the biggest debate of the conference that was Daniel and Destiny that was a monstrous one Daniel has actually been invited to our second debate con also in Dallas that's going to be now did I tell you that we're planning on November 5th now Daniel I can't remember if I got in the word out to you that should be fine but who's that who's the who's the debater that is still being confirmed so I can tell you it's still who I hope to have and I've got good news because I got a response from them recently so it's not confirmed yet but I can tell you folks this debate if we get it booked for debate con it will be so big you won't even believe it folks very serious so want to say those seriously thanks Daniel for all of your support of modern day debate as we've tried to give everybody a fair shot as we really do for real folks we really hope you feel like your position is given a fair shot we really never wanted to be such that we will never release a video afterwards that is like oh man that Muslim debater or all that atheist debater was so bad that we're like we really just want to let you know let there be debates and that's it like I James nobody from this channel is going to put out a video and likewise I as a moderator I'm never going to systematically take sides in the debate or anything like that so we really do appreciate all of your support of this neutral platform and so thanks Daniel for your support that means a lot thanks for your kind words yeah of course so and thanks for your patience on that conference those conference details I'm going to hug that info to you ASAP and so with that folks I'm going to be back in just a moment with a post credit scene letting you know about upcoming debates including some of the details 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your night master optic says dang is there going to be a special celebration when you hit 100,000 subscribers heck yes there is for real we're excited about it and that is our that is our goal we want to hit that as soon as possible as like frankly it's not because of the numbers it's because we care about living out this vision and providing youtube with being the premier debate platform so that everybody has their fair shot to make their fair case on level playing field and that everybody would feel welcome it's not a channel that's going to have a moderator that takes one side all the time it's not a channel that's going to put out videos that say oh man didn't that muslim suck in that debate just now or oh didn't that athias suck in that debate right now no no no we don't do that here so i want to say thanks guys for all of your support love you look forward to seeing you at the next debate as i said we've got one tomorrow night then we've got one friday night and then we're working on getting several lined up for next week so we've got a lot coming so hope you're excited for those juicy debates coming up i love you guys thanks for all your support and we'll see you the next one