Funny all right we will call the meeting to order it is 201 601 All right So first on the agenda is to approve the agenda I do want to add at the last minute we had a Liquor license that came through today, so like to add just Move the liquor license right to the front so right after public comment We'll do the liquor license for babes bar. It's a request to cater for forward festival We'll just add that there And if any anytime we're going too fast for you just let us know goes the old Will try to remember tonight to Slow down Julie Or say hey, I didn't hear you usually sometimes the motions and things like that can be Difficult and then just for anybody that's out there all two of you So if anybody has anything at public comment period, what I just make sure that you're you're recognized with your name So that we can make sure it's put in the record This is Julie's first night taking the minutes God bless her so All right, so we have the addition of the liquor license for babes bar anything else Second okay all in favor Lonely ocean All second The we do have our appointment first. I don't see neither party. We'll just Everybody's okay with it. We'll just move along until the party shows up and They go from there. So that opens up to public comment So if there is anything that isn't currently on the agenda that anybody would like to Bring up talk about now's the time Ellie had her hand up first. She was quick Doug was just just a little slow tonight It's because you skipped the last meeting You know So the greater is down it was down for about a week and Then they had it back in service I'm not I'm sure it was back for a four-day because they're on their four tens whether it was back for the full week or not and now it's down again thermostat and Something cooling or radiator. So something in there was a problem So they called North tracks North track has had a big outbreak of COVID So they're down with some people our normal tech was around but he's doing And one of the parts is now they're waiting for parts and for a tech so the greater Yeah Well, and they do but there's also some they have to get the part So that's something, you know, so we've noticed that with COVID We've had some slowness on parts and then there's something else going on with it Which as well Alan was in about that and he had called more tracks I know we ordered a part and he could definitely do the thermostat. He said that himself So he's waiting for something else and I it's not the radiator But it's it's something in the front something with the cooling but so they're waiting But that's not the only time we've had parts on, you know, back order, but But that's the problem. We were down Up I want to say three days. Maybe it was four I don't think we were up for four days and then down again So that's what I think because we had one person was out for two weeks on vacation Because they had their they had a baby so they are out. I have one person out this week and Got their CDL. Yeah, they get tested the end of September So I'm basically running the three person road grew off and on with two people and one of them Is not yet have a CDL So I'm got it. I'm running at a disadvantage right now But I appreciate that you're looking and you're not the only one Up on North North North Maine. Yeah near Mr. Geico's yeah Okay, so where's that cuz I was just having Okay, just before okay, because I did have We had a better roads grant so WB Rogers was up there was doing a product is doing a project on Sanders I'm doing he's wrapping it up, but I'll go tomorrow and look at that because if he's still there Something he could take care because he was going from East Bethel to Sanders to Gilead So this is water coming off Sanders on to North Main Street. No Towards Christian No, he's talking up here. He's talking Sanders. Oh, okay, Sanders loops around Oh, right cuz he's near guy. Yeah, we've had some issues there in the past. Yeah, so but it's just before Sanders road So yeah, cuz WB's been up there working because we had a project he but he was near like But I'll take a look at this because if this is something that we you know, he'll be right there So if he's can't I'll help look but thank you. So yeah, so have you been to East Bethel? Have you been to East Bethel? Little good. Yeah, it gets paved like the week of the not the 16th the following week They're coming in and sweeping and paving so that looks good, too. And then we're going from there to Gilead So thinking about picking up some extra money Doug holidays Yeah He said cheap Well, thank you, yeah, so that's what's going on right now, so I haven't seen I Saw him briefly this morning, but I don't know What he'd heard from if he'd got his part in the ad or not so so and it's just he and haze in this week So it's somebody else on vacation Community Yep Yes Again Yeah, it's that's not an ongoing issue That we cleaned a bunch of them got cleaned up the tires Well trash is an ongoing thing out there. I don't know. Well, it's always been an issue And we did there was a bunch of tires that that got cleaned up, so I think that's a problem we clean them up and then they dump more There's a tree down It has yep I know I Have the guy who does that was on vacation. He's back He's doing some other stuff right now in the water system, and then he's gonna double back with Alan Allen offered to help Clean it up. So we know it's down. It's been down. It'll get cleaned up Well, thank you But I like that so I'll make you up the tree. I I didn't know that so And so does Richard so It happened when he was away That's it dog people go on vacation and then And then it hurts because there's Gabe Gabriel Well, it is September, so yeah, he's on vacation this week so next week He's been working with Richard Because Richard was the most recent one to get his CDL so he's been doing some mentoring which has been nice What about So everybody Hazen There's Gabriel Feney Hazen Saul's and Alan. That's it And Hazen came with his CDL You're welcome I know it's hard to keep up, but thank you Doug And I'll find out about the grader. I think you're six o'clock is here. Yeah, we're just right now We just in public comment period So what I was thinking if the board's okay with us just What's here and how long things would take is quickly we had the liquor license for babes bar and I see Jesse's here So if you guys don't mind as soon as we finish up public comment, we'll just do the liquor Event license because that would probably just take a second or two and then then we'll get right to you Justin That sound good All right, Ellie I'm not sure how I miss that meeting. However, I did My concern and objection comes from the fact that there seems to be no consideration of the master plan or input from the recreation committee Let me review the history of the master plan in August of 2011 the select board met with the committee at the recreation center At that meeting a select board approved and gave permission for the recreation committee to design a master plan and work on implementing it in August of 2012 the committee put out a survey and I haven't solved and I have the tally. So what was the priority? anybody would like to see With the results of that survey the committee chose the IA of Middlebury to design the plan at the March 2013 town meeting the committee presented the voters three designs drawn up by The IA Townspeople to obtain information and ask questions in 2014 the select board chose and approved Design C This is the town the master plan this this is the thing that was existing All right since 2014 when that design C was approved I Slipped for it. There have been people voicing their fact that there is no Do the children who play basketball in the school gen 10 months of the year from September to June need an outdoor Court for two months while other sports do not have a place to play at all Apparently there is strong feeling among some people that yes, there is a need for a full-sized Court at the center The committee has been listening to people who have wanted Changes in the plan when the committee had to renew their plan her meant for the skatepark They listened to the people who expressed strong opinion that the field be saved And before basketball court be a part of the plan the committee to Oh, yes Which was approved by the DRV since 2012 the committee has been advertising and trying very hard to recruit people to be on the committee to help with the master plan Energy and focus on what the committee has worked on and accomplished have resulted on what people have volunteered to put their energy And it's a concern into a certain fun raising and center People interested in a skatepark are on the committee people interested in ice game ring came forward and help the committee make it happen a Trail from the center to the school was done because those interested Got involved with the committee to get it done Where are the people who say we need basketball the center why they Why are they not In the letter of consent for a grant of five hundred thousand dollars there are plenty There are plans for more trips, which is good There are plans for basketball ice skating, which is good, but there is no mention for plans for tennis court the recreation center has tennis courts and they can use not only by Individuals, but we're also used to host an upper-value summer league We have a woman's tennis team and play Parker with stuff stores mine The courts were taken out in 2015-16 to make room for the new parking lot with the intention They will be rebuilt in a different spot the need for tennis course and the desire for course has not changed The master plan was to give recreation to a variety of needs and for all ages The pool and the swimming lessons meet the needs of families with small children The skateboard needs the needs of teenagers and old the ice Needs the needs of young people and old What about the men and women of all ages that play tennis and pickleball? The tennis court should be the next thing in line to be built before embarking on basketball the court the basketball court can come out of the tennis court for the belt and then I just got a Copy of the letter of intent and I see that it says that The best goal is to create a town-wide recreation system as a cornerstone and lead Why is that not there? Brought to the intention of the recreation committee and it says in this letter of intent Our goal is to build a permanent multi-use pavilion for ice skating hockey and basketball Why is who is who is our goal? The goal of the committee has been a skateboard park. That's where our emphasis has been the committee has not decided on the next goal yet and so where is the Coordination and working together to make the master plan work Any other So I think Ellie and I you know, I think we all agree. I mean, you know the master plan is is the direction for the Recreation facility there and I know that this this what happened is this grant money potential Was something that was kind of talked about over the last like three or four or five months or whatever But nobody knew when the money would come what what you could use it for and whatnot So what happened is all of a sudden they said here's the date if you want to have a chance at the grant money They rolled it out through the COVID funds and stuff. Here's your chance and oh by the way We had like a week to put it together So so they formalized a problem is is that money you can't take that money And use it towards building like a new basketball court, correct? You can't use it towards like fixing the pool like right in the pool So it has to be for a specific item So it's kind of a take it or leave it grant if if we want the money that we have to use it for specific ideas Even though it may not follow the detailed Recreational plan that we have so the idea was and it's a shot in the dark. It's a let's Try to get some money for Bethel. So it was the last second ditch effort. It was a meeting that was held And a couple weeks ago on Tuesday to put it together Right and and then we had to formalize some sort of information To give to the grant people to write it so that hopefully were considered So it's kind of like it's not a like somebody decided that we're going to change the master plan at the wreck It was it was a there's some opportunities here with grant money. We only have a little bit of time But some of the grant money if you take it is not going to go for some of the next steps in the plan But we'll enhance the facility over a long period of time. So that that was you know Well, yeah, everybody's invited me They were Then Then I get then what we need to say And had an opportunity to come and participate Yeah, but I don't know because I have lousy internet and problems with internet I do not know I I don't know if You know, they think I can see that they've been probably reached out for me, but I'm sorry So I Unaffair It sounds to me that you have a very legitimate concern and that you were not aware of that But I but it was I Can't speak I was not present at the meeting well Paul was So Jean was there Paul was there. I was there Farron was there Mary griffin Mary Floyd, thank you and D. Trippini and it just came together at the last minute We had thought about just doing trails because as you know thatcher had written two grants that didn't go through So I had reached out to people to say I reached out to the conservation Commission said are you guys writing this again for trade? You know, do you want to do this for trails? What do you want to do? Rebecca Sanborn Stone weighed in and sent about out to a bunch of people and said hey, maybe we should do something bigger And then Chris fours reached out and said, you know, maybe we should sit down together because the letter of intent was due Friday and I was gonna be out Friday so was the each tree and then so we invited, you know, everybody was invited Rebecca had invited a lot of people and We were just kind of throwing it together We had Rebecca's list and we had other ideas and honestly it didn't come up because the group We were just spitballing ideas. How much money would we need for trails? What would you know? We had originally thought just trails just kiosk benches and ADA accessible platform We were thinking smaller and Rebecca kept saying no We had to think bigger and spend more money and honestly We were just kind of spitballing designs ideas We had a whiteboard and then we kind of came up with some ideas and Thought this is what we could do hire someone to manage it and so then We had to drop everything and write this 300-word lo I but I think to Ellie's point is Well, no, and I apologize. I don't think that the grant application specifically I mean, we just we came up with came I don't think that the grant application specifically if let's say we were lucky to I don't know I change it now. I don't know. I don't know.  I mean, I'm sure An umbrella To try to try to get Instead of the little money for the big money Yeah, so we may be able to change something I don't know we it it's just what came up It's what the majority agreed on and so we dropped everything and and Spent, you know one full day just writing it and go back and forth and And I'm trying to take pieces of factors grant and what we knew and some of it's just wording, right? So 300 words is what we got. So you get 500,000 Sure. Yeah Hey, if we can I think we have the second phase of the skate park in there if I remember I don't even know So yeah, so we'll look we'll see what happens. We don't know it's a it's a shot in the dark for $500,000 no match and Hey, if we get stuff built then it's more money for tennis courts and what we've missed because it's less fundraising for that To do something else. So but we'll see I don't know the specifics. It was kind of six million dollars that the state had and then We thought we were gonna do something just smaller and then it right it bloomed into something bigger But I mean the good thing is it was kind of a spur-of-the-moment thing So hopefully that'll affect other communities and not getting in in time Yeah, but you know, I guess the good problem for us to have would be okay We get a half a million dollars. How do we build this now, right? Right, then we can have that fun conversation Really would like to see this or really see that yeah, so we'll see what now it's a pipe dream Six million and then all of a sudden it gets little yeah, and then they say we get 10,000 for you like to have it or not Yeah, so we'll see we'll know hopefully we should know around the 27th to the 30th of September and then we'll know more and We could probably you know, hopefully reconfigure some stuff or and I would pick a ball I don't know and I would assume Ellie if we got you know This is just me speaking out But I would assume if if we're in the running for this thing or get it or something that that this then would go to the wreck committee to Formulate and put together. Well, no, we've already we know well We'll have to talk about how it's gonna work because we already have Rebecca Sanborn Stone's willing to help write it on gene And we're gonna be looking for volunteers to write the grant because I can imagine it's gonna be a big application So if we make it pass the letter of intent, we'll we'll have another meeting and make sure that you know everybody's present and See what we get so too much money would be a problem to have Yep, we'll make sure that as soon as we know we'll let you know Okay, good Mowing That's over at the park River And where do you want that sign Okay, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep pack and pack out Yeah, sure Yeah, I'm sure that if I'm not sure that that we did use roundup if we did it's inert and it would be it's usually gone within a Short period of time. So if we use roundup under there instead of weed whacking, I don't know but I can find out I'm not sure what the situation was there. Yeah, but signage pack in pack out park under bridge Sure, we'll see if we have one if we don't well, we'll get one ordered. Thank you Any other public comment Anything that's not on the agenda Okay here none We will quickly we'll just move to the liquor license babes and then and then we will pick up with Justin and Bob So we have one event license for a babe fire for the Ford festival and just Just I apologize. We just got it today So I don't think any of the members of that chance to well, it's not really much to see or weigh in on but I would assume maybe You know we did the same event license two years ago, right? Yeah, and will anything change in the way that you it's presented over there I know two years ago you had you know the snow fencing up and It was corridor to the well if you're looking at the right hand side of the building correct at that time Can you maybe just talk to us about will that change was kind of the same thing or what you're looking at there? side So so for those of us who are not familiar What happened two years ago? Some of the more or the detail You talk about the forward. Yeah, that'd be good. Thank you Jesse. Yeah It's Didn't you call like a block party or dance party last year or two years ago was it kind of like a block party after the Part of part of Right, yeah, no one didn't say much there. What is that? What do you want to put on the town's property between you and Did you have one there two years ago No Turi's part of my understanding and Brad was thinking of putting the trailers in a way so that people can't have access to the town portion of land Mm-hmm that it would actually sort of prevent anything happening on the town's piece of it So that keep everything on one side of it. So basically there wouldn't be anything happening on the town side Yeah, that was my understanding from Brad's description was the way he wants to place the trailers It would keep it off the town side because we know that alcohol can't be consumed Right and if the band if you were to set up bands on the town side We would want somebody's proof of insurance, right in case somebody fell off a flat bed or something like that, right? So if you but if you're gonna basically barricade it so nothing is on the town property then perfect Yeah, that makes sense No, so I mean I don't have problem with that I just am thinking I'm assuming that the select board would want if someone was gonna do something on the town side It's not necessarily a problem. They just want somebody's proof of insurance. So that's what I'm assuming, but they'd have to what do you think? No, I would agree. Yeah but I Know well the good news is we have another select board meeting before So if something comes up in your layout, we could always address that the next life for meeting to yeah That would give you time before I wanted we wanted to get your liquor license Yeah, you know Well, like control, you know, you gotta get a few days a hand trying not to hand for you And but if something comes up with the property in the layout, just yeah, you know, just let us know if we need to come back So I guess I just need a motion to hand sign. Yeah motion to accept the I think it's called catering and event License for babes bar for October 2nd Okay There's nothing I do there. No pan has to slide. It's funny, isn't it? All right Some guys are good They're all set. I'll give it a pan tomorrow Justin So typically in the past You know reading through your request. We've done similar requests in the past with other identities. So I Was just right now a couple of Somewhere down a couple of the typical questions that we asked With these is it's basically the state is through a little bit on The scope of work that you're looking to do When you think it will start and then what the time time frame of what we think the renovations are We're not holding it to the day or the month or whatever But just so that gives us a little bit of a picture of what you're doing what you're trying to do and then You know, you had your quest here that That you were asking for six months Recreate on the entire building for both the sewer and water Right, we were hoping to get into it this year and start to be doing some renovations and stuff We're just so busy. We don't have time So it's gonna have to be next spring before we can actually do any of the things that we'd like to do And what we're hoping to do is move our coming shop down to the store section and then departments and make them new and nice Right now as part of So that was No time till spring time That's the soonest. I think that we could possibly Right Right exactly to be offices there We're probably a little bit of storage, but our main store to be jobs like some other places Yeah Yeah, so that was the kind of our master plan is to kind of get the shop down there Utilize those old store Yeah, we're just excited that you bought it We are Yeah And I sent you the emails father a so you've got him about the downtown designation the credits are evolving long time No, that's fine, I just wanted to give you everything every opportunity that I knew of Great good Make sure you got it. Yeah. So basically in the past what we've done Justin is to stay Consistent with what we've done the past with other Asking to the board is the least the two or three that I've been on the board since is The individual the owners have come to the board rate about the same time that they start the renovations and then in those cases It's been here a little bit is you know, we've given up to two Quarters to you know two consecutive two quarters of reprieve on a water sewer type basis But we haven't gone over that So I guess in your case what I was kind of thinking of is You almost kind of have two options So the first option is because you're not going to start your renovations until the springtime is the first option It would be like, you know the board, you know granting your proposal of the The two quarters now, but obviously that two quarters takes you to about when you start your renovations, right? And then you go back on you know your normal fee schedule during renovations or or waiting until you start your renovations and then You know asking for your six months, you know, I guess Because I know for sure You know and it and just so the board know it's currently is currently that property is on the bacon sewer and water I don't know Yeah, yeah So when we do get back up does the town just do a flat rate for water? You actually get charged for EU so right now because I don't see a meter anywhere We don't know Well, what we do is we go by the state schedule so we use EU's like for wastewater So for example years will change once you open and we know what's going on like right now It's I believe we're you're being charged for three EU's because there's three apartments not even being charged for the store and So what normally happens is we look at that wastewater chart and say it's like Per day per employee. So if there's office space downstairs, you get charged, you know that right? And then if there's three apartments, you get charged one EU for each apartment So we just follow the wastewater schedule Oh, yes Easy boy But absolutely no we've talked about it because by the time well first of all, you know the water system itself was in You know dire straight so 2.8 million. We're looking at another 1.7 million project Next we figured it would add five hundred to seven hundred thousand put in meters by the time did meters and corner horns and the whole water Pressure reducing valve. I'm not you know so and then it's just getting in getting it done and So honestly, it's it's a money thing because the pipes themselves were in such a bad shape that It just isn't was a big priority right now the bigger priority was that so what we do work with everybody So once we know what's going on how many apartments will be or how much have going on That's how it gets broken down is just by looking at the schedule for like wastewater We do the same thing so right now It's just three views and you're getting the vacant water vacant sewer and nine be charged any use for the store itself So yeah, you use a flat rate. Yeah, and then you know, of course depending on how how the restoration goes Depends on what your ego EU scheduled me right now because he's changed something. Well, yeah I mean the two apartment Right, yeah Yeah, exactly and then whatever happens down stairs is is at this point is like an office It would be minor for the bill once you once you start the restoration next spring at some point probably good Yeah, just send me an email and we'll go through because the new rates will start next July So but yeah, it's like Chris said it's either over an hour later I just put the cost of my own Well, no one's gonna read it We only I'll be honest we actually we have a couple meters, but it's it's GW it's Vermont castings You know, so it's really bigger business it's the laundromat Yeah, exactly, which we really don't anticipate you doing I mean Yeah, you know what we ended up finding because our system is such a closed system It's not big like, you know that other you know, like right now It's not big is the cost the cost that it would incur to put the meters It would take longer to Cover that cost in years of service then so we have to go directly basically to say I'm gonna put a meter on your building And oh by the same right now, you're gonna have to be careful what you do some water Yeah The system right now, so it's it's it's just top, but you're not wrong. We understand so Yeah, so trees when is the What is the quarter where in a quarter right now, right? So the bill is due for this quarter September right Yeah, September and it goes Yeah, so this bill is so the bills are a little funky because we bill back in and up forward a month So this bill you have now ends October and then the next one is November December January then February March April Yeah, so if you paid this one if you chose this like board would you know, you could do the other two quarters Yep, so that that's what it would be if we were going to be yep mid October to yeah They would yeah because we always it would be October November December January February March So those would be the three now get us in the spring. It's our work. Yeah Mid October to mid March, yeah And then what was the I know we get put in our back with the That that figure you put in the packet was Yeah, they're currently billed yeah Sewer is yes, they're totally you received a bill for 71868, right? Yeah. Yeah, so that's his there's their current bill That's for three years for bacon sewer three years for bacon water That's just her quarter her quarter Yeah, so we do have so we are receiving to yeah, we are getting one for the store and one for Store has none. No, you have look at the address isn't one for four One is for one is 196 main and the others for 79 North me, which is really a gone drive Little 479 North Main is not Avon. That's North Main. It's Yeah, no, what's I hope that you're built and I saw the 479 soon join the second property Where's This is how I knew this one because this I this is when I looked at this it says it's it's your Avon drive property I mean, this is the this is both This is the but it's not it's the three apartments. This is North Main, which is that away towards Bethel Mills I was just gonna say It's a mistake Oh Yeah All your PTR they obviously made a mistake, so this is you yeah So does that change the calculation? No This is Those Yeah, when somebody Probably when they were doing the PTR they just picked it up wrong into the utility billing because I looked I just assumed you on the second property on North Main Street because I looked at your bill, so sorry about that. I'll let talk all Shelly yeah, yeah, so I don't know why but obviously somebody made a dad entry air in office What what is that? What is the address at hand for the one ninety six? I actually think it's supposed to be two nineteen One ninety six is the property that we're done. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be two nineteen I think there's a mistake by ninety six and that's Avon. No when I say it's Richardson store me. Okay. I Just want to make sure so can we motion? Yeah Yeah, and I think so if I if I understand it correctly that the current Quarter that's getting ready to close that you have bills for now that you hate that But but then the quarters between mid-October and mid-March those two quarters then that's that's the reprieve that Yep To try and get people to buy some of the older buildings and fix them up. We've made very similar Mm-hmm. Yes, so if we're just need a motion that we would That we grant the two quarters worth of water and sewer reprieve for the address of one ninety six Main Street Second okay all in favor All right, all right, let's have it So thank you for yeah purchasing it and Good luck with your renovations and just invite Theresa and you know April or whatever when you're doing it And then she can give you a better roadmap on You know if you have this take that out what it might change If you need a zoning permit, I'm not sure for the store But it'll be a change of use so many of the permit for now And if you want to sign up, but I we can walk you all back. We're just happy that you Yeah Yeah, well, thank you so much Sneaky sneaky Yeah We'll give them a break So next we head back on here, so we have the errors and admissions for the Bailey property So this was provided to me by the you by the Lister's office, and they Give you they gave you some documentation basically the change in value. They put it in at thirty nine thousand two hundred It's gonna go five thousand seven hundred Obviously they have a good reason here They were unaware the fact that he bought a different lot and they gave you some good Information on how the mistake happened They're just want to pick it up and fix it now so that they can fix his bill and to do that You have to accept it as an error Because it was a Lister air There's certain ways that you can do it and and because it's a Lister error. That's how you can Have to go right Exactly. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, and she says that yeah, it's purchased in the river or so Unless anybody has any questions in regards to the area of the mission so the property that we're talking about just for the record is It's two one three six p vine Boulevard Okay, so I just need a motion to accept the Lister's errors and emissions for the Bailey property located at two one three six p vine Boulevard Second all in favor We'll dock their pay And then we have the the annual meeting of passive Raleigh cities Looks like they're doing a hybrid this year, so it's either in person or It's no they gave so they combine them past town fairs always been passive and DLC T's Annual meeting at the same, you know the same time and I gave you all the information and usually the select board Approves, you know a delegate Foreman here To represent yes, and I don't even know what I'm going Yeah, because what's funny is they're not doing it they used to do it the same day as town fair, but Big time for it fair. I thought was an October, right? I think I have Yeah, because I was gonna say and usually you do it the same time Anyways, yeah, I don't plan on attending So but if you want someone to vote or one of you would like to attend we will sign you up anybody on the board that would like to attend the the annual meeting Represent us or Okay Yeah, I will Because there's a click on here where so he doesn't need your voting delegate so um Was there one last year So it says please please doesn't make your voting delegate using the town fair registration site Do you want me to do that for you? Okay Thank you, that's right All right, I'll send you an email internal controls checklist for municipalities that just needs to be Yep chair supposed to acknowledge the receipt that you've been received by the slide board So it's to be filled out annually by the town treasurer And you let me get one every year This is the tafford the slew of embezzlement that happened in Ramon Yeah, the town treasurer well because of that. Yeah, after state authors, which is great idea And I think so and somebody else too, and I think it was Coventry There was a few Anyways, so you get one every year and The same year saved it Well, it's why you run around so I'm raising revenue Yeah, hey every we can get it It was funny I saw it do and I was looking at that just to assume they bought a second property I don't think so Morally And we had the watershed bridge repair so this piece was the the slope restoration around the bridge not the bridge itself, but the right the armament of the Wing walls the yeah the wing wall Some of the restoration around that so this is a yeah, I wrote a structures grant So this part of the structures grant is the rip rap obviously around the wall and doing that work That was laid out in the in the bridge Report that the state generates for you the bridge inspection report and then part of it to his guardrail I already have got Lafayette's gonna do that gave us a number So that's in and then what we have to do is look at the bridge deck So I've asked Ryan slot to take a look at the bridge deck and see what we're gonna do to that I'm not sure if I can incorporate it and since WP will be there And they're already gonna be doing some work on if we're gonna pay that they'll be doing some work on Gilead Putting some culverts and doing some patching so I may be able to do that over the top of it So I have my transition still That's true What happened is they and for the bridge inspection they give you some pretty clear guide on this So basically just partnering the banks on different ends To keep kind of what's there You can see in spots where the pictures show that the wing wall itself is deteriorate for somebody could go down with some material and Kind of travel it in on the base to and I'm a have jammed board the river engineer for a man I come and take a peek at it as well So just to get enough, you know people in there to make sure we were doing it, right? So what you say that the guard rail is going to replace that include the Bridge curving as well or just the guard rail itself, you know like the curving goes along the sides of the bridge That was pretty well deteriorated. Is that concrete? Yeah. No, it's just gonna be the guard rail Okay, that's going over it that that lock yet will do so they'll guard rail along Along that into the entrance and over the bridge now So in that we got I've got Both the grant and then of course that price has gone up considerably So I did write to the state and asked if we would be able to get you know more money Because the price went through the roof and they said that yes I could write and ask for you know a little bit more money because the price So I Said sign them up. I was waiting for him to get there So that would be rehab in a sense that'll be armored New guard rail and then the deck house to be here, which I have a feeling Like I said, I'm fine. That will get done by the end of this. That's my hope. Yeah, yeah Yeah, and we don't I have time to get the structures grant done. You have a little bit more time Yeah, I think it's maybe October, but I will least get I know the guard will be done and no and the wing The banks will be armored if I don't get the deck done then that would get done in the spring We just need to look and see what our options are there help us right now. There's so much dirt on So we have the The bid for that and you want to just read off so WB Rogers was 14,000 by 40 RVs was 25,000 for 65 North Road was 27,000 625 and GNN was 35,000 30 Does Julie have a copy of that? No, no, I can fill it in. Okay, you got it Well, it is everybody all bid on the same yardage what they did fit the same month was their Trucking because I wasn't sure how long it was going to take them But they all bid the same material removal the same print wrap the same amount of hate bales what they had to tell me was How much labor including operator and that's They you know most of them had double the time that yeah, but Also, too, he had a lower price on You know, he had a lower material price Anybody have any questions in here? So I just would need a motion to accept WB Rogers bid in the amount of 14,540 dollars for the watershed rich project Rocks paper scissors So move by all Is there a Whatever the grant is A couple of times throughout the last Yeah, some regards to like what we talked about last year. I think cannabis. Yeah, we talked about again recently so with the Well, what was the act 146? It was at 164 But then they amended it to s125 so it worked out to s25 so I was incorrect in your packet when I told you that you've had to vote on it by In this year because that was the original The original version said that we had to have voted and if you hadn't voted by March 2023 Any municipality that you hadn't voted Was going to be deemed to permit the operation of both cannabis retailers and integrated licensees so but Wednesday when they Did they passed s25 to amend or fix act? 164 they took that part out. So now it just says regulation by local government Prior to a cannabis retailer or the retail portion of an integrated licensee operating within a municipality The municipality shall Affirmatively permit the operation of such cannabis establishments by majority vote of those present and voting by Australian ballot at an annual or special meeting Worn for that purpose a municipality may place retailers or integrated licensees or both On the ballot for approval So this gets even more convoluted because I believe that the state that the rule says retail pot shops can Open up as soon as October 2022 So But when Chris called me today, and I went and looked at it This is what I found so I think that we we can talk about cannabis tonight But I don't think you should vote to do anything until I hear from I'm gonna call email the LCT tomorrow because It doesn't make any sense if It made more sense to force the municipalities to vote before it was Before it was legal, but now if the pot shop can open by 2022 But yet the municipality they say we have to have voted in the affirmative My question now is if you don't vote does it mean you can't allow? No one can open a pot shop So now I don't know what the It doesn't make any sense Because they the law says you can't zone it out. You can't Put fees into charge They would have been better off to stick to force municipalities to vote it to say it made more sense You have to vote by March 2022 so that shops can legally, you know, buy it so that Hope not over but now they took that part out. Yeah, so now I'm not sure if they're saying basically as long as you don't vote You never have to have and that Correct and it also would leave you open because someone could petition you certainly petitioned to add it Someone could petition to add it to town meeting to the warning So I know Randolph voted it in last year along with several towns. I want to say 10 to 12 maybe my Thought is you're gonna have to vote at some point And we didn't want to do it last year because it wasn't in person and he figured it would probably be a large dialogue But when I was looking for information tonight on VLCT's website, yeah, I was fine much Yep Well, it says No, it says By majority of those present and voting by Australian Annual or special I think the way I read it is that you know It says by the present what should be and voting by Australian ballot so either in person at town meeting day or by I'm reading it that they have to Present and voting I think that I would assume it to mean you could pass a paper ballot That's the way I interpret it that you could pass a paper ballot that day and do it that way because if you have to be present and voting You know Or it means you you know Even if we did a special meeting Right, that's why I looked at it, but now I'm confused because I don't know why they took the deadline out Well, that's what I was just playing devil's advocate with trees today. I said You know, I was looking to see if maybe there's something wasn't a packet I don't see anything in there that said that you have to vote Like and it wasn't it's no deadline.  But it doesn't say that like you have to do it by certain day And we haven't had anybody like not going to do it I know but you also don't want someone suing you over it either So it just seems like we're gonna have to deal with it But I need to get some information Because it was in there and this is what we originally all knew was that we had to vote Within two years and that was in 164 and they amended it with 25. Can you also ask them on the voting end of it? Yeah, can we do that in person? Yeah, they're accounting meeting day or do we have to have a separate Australian ballot measure? Yeah, I think I think they meant to say, you know cover Yeah But there's an interesting thing that you do in Bethel is when When you guys vote Well, no, they call the buster in about because when you vote like Rick will say when you approve vote for the town clerk The Rick will say we need to cast one ballot But I think the verbiage got put in there because like you said a majority of people did it this past year Which at that time Everybody was Australian about it. It was like 10 or 12 towns that did it So I think that so everybody, you know, so it to me it It doesn't make any sense because when you're reading the rules it tells you that you You can't zone them out.  I'm like It made sense to force towns to vote. They basically if you don't vote, we're gonna automatically have the option So I'm gonna find out Clarification Yeah Yeah, and that's what I'm asking yeah, because I know this is out because I saw the amended version what they talk And then what they passed with that out. So I don't know it's a little bit But it's the state But we'll find out Does anybody have any more questions about voting like if we One of my questions is so as if we never vote it. It's not me. We never know no one can ever open one Is that as a bench changed laws on the cannabis?  It's not No, no, no, I'm saying I think there's a bill in the house this year I don't it doesn't sound like it's definitely carry anything I'm surprised everyone because of taxes and money that the bit that was a problem from my understanding from Colorado is People were had so much cash And they were buying buildings and they were jacking the prices up because they had to do something with the cash Because they couldn't put it in the bank. So it is an interesting. Well, I'm a surprise that the feds don't turn around And I'll use it like years ago with like the seatbelt Then remember there was states that didn't have a seatbelt law and then the feds took away Oh, okay, she's funding for those states until they comply and I'm surprised that They don't do something again. I don't think I have a pinning on me the way The formality This law to have cannabis my kid that I Know Yeah, and I don't think to my knowledge you've had anybody in the town that has proposed any ideas That's right, that's right Okay, so yeah, this was just talks about You know prior to a cannabis retailer integrated licensee operating with a municipality the municipality shall affirmatively vote But again, this is just saying the same thing. It's not telling us When we need to vote it But it does say you can't prohibit the operation through an ordinance right by law, yeah, and You cannot condition the operation of an establishment On any basis other than that, you know conditions in subsection B of the law and you cannot exceed the authority granted You know to regulate a can of this establishment So to me you never vote in the affirmative. You're never allowing one in Yeah Petition to go on to the town morning Does that we know a time close at some point and we can't vote or is it just sort of an open like five years from now? We could I don't know what it's a good question I'll ask because it the way they worded it makes it sound like That's how you can get around allowing one in your town is by never holding the vote So that seems a little well when it was a house bill They had a primary around yeah when you had to do it by right, but when it went changed the Senate side And it got vision store. They took it out or left it out or whatever So I'll ask do we ever so we'll find I mean eventually someone who wants to open one will petition You come to you and ask you put on the warning and if you don't they'll petition and get enough signatures to put on So, um, but I'll find out some more information Because like I said, I searched the LCT website, and I couldn't find anything Different Sort of different line of thinking but are there like with the 1% options tax Will there be options if a town says yes, we want cannabis shops are there? Do we know if there can be tax options like that that can help the municipality that if we said yes, then we could Apply it, you know, but the one person because I know like a 1% options taxes is a little bit different But something I think that you can't Discriminate I think that if you have your It's everybody, but right now the way that it's set up is that the state of Vermont will collect fees For cannabis permits and they're going to send some as of yet unknown money back to us For the town just like with a liquor license, you know, we get five bucks a state gets five bucks or whatever They're at stake. It's 120 and we get five bucks or something, but okay, so that's what they're talking Yeah, they said Yeah, the only way to do the 1% is if you already have a localized You have to do everybody I'll make up like wilson has a 1% So they could add this is they collect 100% on that But the municipality has to be have a certain That'd be a certain size to do that But you have to be a certain size I don't know I just said something in here This is beginning to pass the afternoon so the guy wants from 1997 Yeah, I was going to say something And attack it right here Yeah, it's our stabilization. Yeah, I mean the way I read it is unless you want to go forward with a localized app Right. Yeah, that's what we'll be able to pass this Unless you want to do it on everything which you know I love that Which normally towns that are anywhere close to hampshire don't want to do that because Right, we lose our businesses in hampshire as it is. So yeah, that's true Now if you're way up in Burlington And all you have to do is compete with New York which they have localized taxes and you're all set, right? So All right, I'll get you some more information Perfect. So we'll just carry that one on Pick that back up the next meeting As soon as I get information, I'll try to get it for next meeting. I'll see what I mean, we have until The end of December. Yeah, or yeah, we'll have December. Yeah, December. Yeah But it's nice to know that way you can get public feedback. Sure all right And next up we had the discussion though. We're talking about Well, you know, we've always done our meetings in person Um And then with coven this past year we were able to make a Short-term adjustment through the select board to amend the procedure of voting which we which we chose To do the australian ballot For everything everything this past year due to you know, health and coven But it automatically defaults back to your We were previously voted in methodology of Of doing your town meeting name. So so This march will be going back in person Unless something comes up between now and then, you know, with coven or something else So right now we're going to go back to in person And the discussion had to come up in regards to, you know, now that we've experienced the Australian ballot, you know, methodology of things, you know, do we want to go back to in person? Do we want to go, you know, to australian ballot or some sort of hybrid, you know Difference there obviously we have to go before the voters to vote on so That would We would have to make a decision to put it on the warning or not And we had talked about a month ago, maybe of the board I want to say the board making a decision before the end of october. Is that some entries? That way let's say the board decided No, we don't want to go forward and make any changes. We're going to do it just the way we do it now It does give the residents of the town the opportunity to petition to have it on the warning in time And I think we for some reason the end of october Bring about for me that that was enough time to get it on before December or something So we we were going to make a decision between the end of october Keep it the same Do different what are we going to do? So so you have some options, you know options Which is you could elect just your officers via australian ballot and then your budget is done, you know off the floor So um, what what changed so currently you vote everything off the floor So if you did that take and you said okay if you're gonna if you're going to do australian ballot for the officers But your budget remains on the floor Then what it does is anyone interested in running for office Needs to come to the town office with a petition has to have x amount of signatures on it Which is not that many I can't work your one or three percent of the population Also would have to fill out a consent of candidate which says how your name is how you want to appear on the ballot That sort of thing So then you would know in advance who was running and then people would cast an australian ballot For the officers and you fight vote your budget at town meeting. That's one option The other option is you vote everything the australian ballot, which is what we did last year Which was officers as well as your budget There's also or Or You could do yeah, you could vote your you could do the opposite you could vote your officers from the floor but vote your budget the australian ballot Or you know, you do you do nothing, but um, and and then you know, anyone could petition to do that So I was I was sharing with therese Like over the last couple of weeks. I just spent you know random conversation with people that I bump into regularly in town of in person versus australian ballot type voting A majority a very large majority of the people I talked to would like to keep it the way it was I wouldn't say the same because that would be australian ballot, but So it and I would say those individuals that I talked to were you know, what I would perceive, you know, long-term residents of that whole You know longer than myself And then in this past week I've been talking to some of the same people not didn't catch up with everybody But some of the same and said listen, what if we went to australian ballot? And we did a or b, you know One thing or the other and I and then it was an exact You know, some people said well, we do the budget and some people said we'll be do the candidates So that kind of part what kind of will he wire for me on on asking because I've always So could you could you do um the candidates and the budget australian ballot, but still have to tell meaning in person? No You would have an informational meeting Probably the night before and to let people know which is the way we did it And we typically do an informational meeting now Yeah, I forgot I mean, I did take a step forward with some of the members of Of the town meeting committee and asked them because they do host that I guess the some of the information I got was um You know, you know, it's kind of our our opportunity once a year for the town's folks to Get together under one roof You know, you mentioned the pie and some other Opportunities to people do like to see thy neighbor Um, but again, it's just a short Talk to everybody, but um, so I don't know. It's kind of a There is another kind of action that can be taken about town meetings That's a resolution Several towns have become I don't know nuclear just for an illustration a nuclear free town Where the town has to vote on whether or not To do that that's a non-finding resolution, but right that's an action that can be taken At a time meeting basically gives you the pulse of the people. It doesn't Is no action required. Yeah, you know the thing that I think the key thing to remember is Is if you choose to vote australian ballot on your budget If it goes down you have no idea why that's the tricky part about the budget I should have an exit vote or something right, which is you know, sometimes people aren't always truthful or they Or they're right or they're right. It's too expensive. You know, it doesn't really guide you to to how you're going to do it again Australian ballot, you know for the officers and just You know who's running in advance. So, um, you know, the other piece of If you do the budget australian ballot is then no appropriations can be made from before or changed from before right, which I would say that has a strong history of intentionally making changes like you did the escape park appropriation in one year Or the mister appropriation for one of the human services there So I think you lose that ability to actually Do more good and or fix the issues within it. Of course, it was the one year that the budget got voted down and it got Really confusing and they chopped 50 grand out of it that we had to then figure out Coming from yeah, that's tricky. And so there is I mean does give people opportunity to feedback and Certainly, I've seen it that way where you do your you know, you budget from the floor and Then people vote australian ballot for the officers, but you know, we also we voted you could also vote public questions that way For like zoning if you're going to pass zoning rule that sort of thing too. So I can't wait but you know, I hadn't even thought about the gene had said the non-binding resolution You know because here we're talking about more of a binding resolution, but you know You know, if you felt the pulse of the people that are there If we had a non-binding, what do we think about australian ballot versus in-person and then at least You know, let's say if it's overwhelming support for australian ballot then Then we could put it on the next year wanting to take it back the year after You don't have to be clear in your non-binding Now But that year that meeting you still have to decide We're in person. No, he's saying no because they gotta go out the forest afraid. Yeah, but if they did a non-binding you did a non-binding resolution march 2022 Then and you found out the way then you put it on in march 2023 And then it wouldn't take effect until 2024 But my only advice about that is if you're going to do a non-binding resolution It can't be should not be blanket to go australian ballot. You have to say australian ballot Officers or australian ballot for this or for both. You'd have to we'd have to come up with some worry about the Years of regard, but that is my reference would be australian officers and In-person kind of meeting ballot or voting for all other business So basically we want to pass a paper ballot for every budget item. Is that what you're saying on the day? No, I could in person In person. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought it was an in-person ballot. I'm from the floor In person for all other business. So that would include the budget if Of a non-binding should come forward Any of those kinds of things that would be my preference because and my argument is The the budget and and any of those not that provides the opportunity for back and forth Dialogue in ways that are I had to really helpful and community And and it also On the flip side My experience Was that it enabled or encouraged a wider body of the population to learn about and And then decide about who their representative should be. That's a good. I mean, that's a good And I But that's my that's so that's my preference And I had my choice. That's Thank you. I'm sorry. I just didn't understand that's why I was thinking you could do that It just we would be there for me. So I was just I was like And I understand that we in order to change from an in-person town to be We have to the town has to vote that So we So we took a poll in here quickly jesse, what would you put your opinion on it? I'll just go this way You like in town everything in town Do you want anyone do you want to vote australian ballot on the officers But be in person for the budget or you want the whole thing in person whole thing. What do you think jesse? So I'd ask the clarifying question if we do the australian ballot for the officers would that allow folks who cannot Attend the town meeting to also vote for those people. Yes for the officers. Yes, but not the not the budget You have to tell me that would be my vote to do that way. What do you think, ellie? Yeah, I like I really agree with this. He said because Um, I do like the in-person and I feel very Important that we do the in-person for the budget for the budget and Human service stuff and everything different issues But but I do like having the australian ballot for the officers because then it gets other people that Can't get off For the representation What I mean, if we just had to go through the board quickly I like the Interplay at the time we discussing budget items I like that having that I think We've seen this last time we sort of changed in the election of officers Going to the australian ballot format It seemed like it was In my mind it was quite a drastic change from what we've done in town meetings in the past And and I didn't like some of what happened So I'm not sure about the election of officers by australian back and I think Certainly do a paper ballot If you want to be anonymity, you know factor or whatnot tell in person Yeah, in person paper ballot at the time And I think you got a little bit out of hand And it was quite different from what I've experienced What about I'm concerned that people I talked to were voting on things. They had no idea what they were voting on This this past year What do you say chris told me that I should go So I like this I have no idea what they are Was that on one or the other was it more budget or more officer? I had more budget But you could do you could do the same thing Yeah, we are the fast talker Who wasn't much of a Good candidate and could get elected And I'll get in front of everybody and speaking where they could ask questions And see the made-to-talk I'm for everybody be everything to happen in person in person But john's father Yeah, well, so I spend a lot of time with this with this thought because I think that the accessibility issue is a very real one I do think that our statement makes it feasible to Have the meeting to be accessible Whether or not somebody will choose to take a vacation day if that's what their employer requires of them That's on them not on the town necessarily. There's part of me that the the community aspect like that was saying like Everybody coming together and having those discussions the back and forth that you get a town meeting It's unique. It's something that I I'd be really sad to lose as a town But I also think that the accessibility issue is still real So I think I'm I'm leaning more towards Keep it all as is but I also think that if If it really came down to it electing officers by Australian ballot Would be my compromise. I think the downside of that is sort of to Paul's point of This year we had a very robust campaign right in past years We've had zero interest and so what happens on a year when No one puts their name in and then we go to like that's my concern. I mean I was some of this Nominated from where if nobody if you get nobody to run when the right end then you you have to put it out And yet just slow a day got on the first time, right? Did you interview and get appointed? Yeah, so it would be the exact Yeah, sorry, I so it would be the same process But I've seen that happen where people don't vote but then you're right Then you someone could run and write it and get 13 people or I think it's 17 last year I can't remember something and then all the other end and I feel like that's Which actually had like a school level. It was like somebody that didn't get on just enough. Yeah Because they haven't one for one position on the school board. They didn't have anybody. Yeah. It was a right in the campaign Yeah, I know there's a state law in Vermont about that I say that we put it on the ballot and then the people that are there will have to vote If they vote anything other than pull on meeting with the app, I won't be happy but I'm going to let it be But you can vote for it in person Whether you want to change it right but you control the question is going to be what's the question What the question could be do you want, you know the question on the warning could be Um, do you know shallow the voters of the battle who you know, basically vote australian ballot on Officers, so you don't have to it could be a You're you're going to you decide what your warning is going to say Yeah, you don't have regardless of what we put on the warning this year, we still have to do everything in person Yeah And you don't have If you put on the warning that you're just going to keep it safe and everything's in person can somebody from the floor Make an amendment. No, no, they can make a non binding Oh At the end of the morning at the end when there's any other business you could make a non binding question Kind of like what gene was saying where you could get the feel of the room Um, but it wouldn't be anything binding. It's going to be binding has to be on the warning So you could put both questions on you could say Shall they vote australian ballot to elect officers? Or you could and you could add whether to vote australian ballot for budget articles But you choose what goes on the warning you could add one of these questions Or you could add both of these questions Or you could take gene suggestion and add none of these questions and just have just a non binding resolution So you're basically not taking any action.  I just had on my count on my calendar that we've been talking about traditionally though The non binding resolution stuff comes at the very end of the day Yeah, the last question You could I don't know why you could you could do that the first thing you could have a non binding Although I don't see why yeah, there's any law Preventing it. I've only seen it at the end, but I think that Well, I think you have to have your moderator first right we'd have to talk to Well, yeah, you have somebody else wants to you do your officers first And then you could maybe get through a couple of questions, but I don't know What you just suggested is Here's people all reactions Keep it the way it is By voting both of those down Putting or voting to do the officers australian and keeping the other Or third keeping the other By australian, but the the officers in person or doing the whole thing australian It gives the town the most It gives the voters all your options I think the only thing I'm concerned about that is just I think that's too much being in the past is for us on the board We have a pretty good understanding what those options mean often when you get in a hall of of a bunch of citizens That sometimes it's confusion that will happen Not necessarily that they don't understand, but sometimes they don't You know know what that means versus what that means Or to vote it up or down and that becomes these confusion questions and we've had those at family before Just just the way maybe like I'll bring up examples like sometimes when people make a an amendment from the floor Remember those days and then it would get very confusing because are you voting on the amendment or are you voting on the budget? Right remember those days and then it was you know, and then in some cases people voted For one or the other not knowing what that actually meant. They thought it was for something else I think what we have to be careful what we That's also true for australian Yeah, my people's misunderstanding or not understanding The advantage of having if you have a full choice like this In in in person meeting You have the opportunity to explain very clearly. This is what it's mean. Yeah, but they do separate questions. So it's Yeah The confusion the Educability of the electorate all of that happens Whether we have australian ballot or in person voting and so Well, I think I mean at least the polls that we took here No one or the vast minority said I want Budget by australian ballot. So kind of going back to Dave's kind of you know, maybe the maybe the best option is to make One layer of decision whether it's tonight whether it's in a future meeting but make one layer of decision which is to Put the one that had more More interest which is the office the officers As australian ballot but as an option. Yeah, not I mean, I think the Gene your point of like the non-binding resolution. Yes, it gives them all the options But I think it also does create a lot of potential clash and then Further confusion without and people end up voting on things they didn't understand they were voting for or against So we could almost cut through some of that confusion by making one layer decision And I get that it's a small it's a small hole But I think we also all have been doing that sort of taking the polls from different people around town And maybe we table it for tonight and our homework is We kind of do a more concerted effort to do that as a board and then we come back to the next meeting and say, okay Here's what I learned and I think we had talked about before the goal was You know, so I think we have two more meetings Because then that does give the citizens the opportunity that we don't make anything that you know They can petition to do it. You know, I just wanted to say online and the things, you know, this You know, I've been in Bethel for 16 years now and my only other experience on voting prior to coming to Bethel was a complete Australian ballot system, so And I you know, of course, I wasn't quite as into politics now as I You know, we're back then as of now, but I just remembered like literally going to the bowl and being like Don't know any of these people and you know, and I'm not really sure the budget's about, you know, and and But I will say when I when I came here It was it was very Different to those of my first meeting in person, you know And you know and sit through that, you know, there was probably 200 people there and you're kind of You know, really just soaking it in.  It's kind of cool and and then maybe if you know, there was two seats available and and Here I guess would be another advantage is let's say you two went together and Dave beat out gene And gene would have the opportunity under the second item You know, you could run for the other You know, I mean, so there was Yeah, so there was kind of that uniqueness where where you don't have that I guess with the Australian battle But to watch it work was kind of cool And then I think the more I've been here now You look at like, you know pies and it's kind of more the Bringing of people together for, you know, once a year I mean, even though you only have a 10 percent, you know of the people that come For the day, but you know, but also What lindley was saying is, you know In the state of Vermont, it does allow for all people to attend town meeting day You know, it's not like some states where you might not have that option if your employee says no Here you can So it's it's kind of you in it. Yes, you think I had Had a job in New Hampshire I couldn't take the day off, but it was a personal day or it was a vacation day It wasn't a holiday, right? And that's a And I don't think it's a holiday either in Vermont No, you can take it off because you don't need the dayers or so You can take it as unpaid or a vacation Because you're an island worker Who, you know needs that And you don't handle for a while six days or whatever you take That becomes well nowadays you can't be deal time. So you can use it whatever you want. Any questions you could say I've always had to get two weeks notice In order to get it I always make sure I'm pulling in a month ahead of time to make sure I can get my day off And I think that I think what I was leaning towards was More of the in-person with the budgets and You know, maybe looking at the candidates and voting on that separately, but I you know But the individuals I talked to the last couple of weeks, you know A majority would have been you know, like Doug that had said they really like the in-person meeting And I didn't really have anybody had the ones like and I don't say these are kind of more of long-standing residents So Bethel, but that's why Bethel's unique, right? Um And then and then once I you know had said what if we did option a versus b then I'm just thinking You know, it was a tangled mess Who knows what we want, you know, I came from a town that did We voted on selling ballot on the officers and public questions school budget police budget, but the budget itself was voted off the floor and I was an elected official in that town for many years and so You knew if someone was running against you, but one of the things that that the um And I just for record I ran on a post for years Because people were crazy about the Select for what was nice is the local paper Would always run a little article about, you know, two people running in this town or two people running So you got a little blurb, you know, they interviewed the candidates and they did do um and I In person like a question the candidate night too. So there were opportunities for people to get together to get, you know, the candidate um Be a newspaper article and be a little function. So, um, but you're right. I mean paul's also right things can get a little ugly and um, so You know, sometimes that happens to my guys So we kind of just playing a little great to do we want to do it at the next meeting? I know you want to do it at the fourth You want to wait till you want to wait till october that is the boy Will you still have another september we could do at the beginning of october meeting So the first meeting in october second monday of october we'll put that back on and Give everybody a chance to hold it over Give us some more time to reach out the community members and see what people think and Okay And then that that should give ample time if somebody wants to have you know, you know Yeah on the morning they can Well, they still addition to you, but yeah All right, and I'll get more information about the cannabis, but this one you can just All right And the last thing we had there was talking about the um, uh, you know, maybe Well, we're talking about with two meetings now about the kind of the high potential hybrid model of the board meetings you know, we had the In-person Which is hard to get seats in here if you don't come early When you put up the extra ones, I know And a good thing if not Doug would have something put his right arm up Or or you know or zoom which we you know, we have the ability to See the zoom process during the covid meetings Um, and then now that we're in person there's you know potential of maybe something hybrid and You know an in-person with some sort of ability to communicate with With others That are not here, so so you can see the estimate in there So I did the 65 inch or I asked them to do 65 inch 75 inch plus the carts And I wrote up in the top I hand wrote how much is zoom Because I had the individual last time and I just got charged my credit card every month and it was only like 14 bucks I was the one who scheduled everybody's meeting So this one would allow us a bigger platform and it's more options, but it was $20 And then okay, and I have a team You can see yay. All right. That's great. So I have two comments along this line one is more the anecdotal that uh, lily works away two days a week and Tried to sign into a meeting Yeah But she was commenting to me that It was extraordinarily difficult It ended up being I think Nicole like basically typed it in the chat for the few people that were and it was more than just her Uh, you know so I think there's there's benefit to it that he's even beyond just army things And you know her ability to participate her ability to participate from a distance The other thing that I was going to say was I have not we haven't had a VRI meeting yet But we have one tomorrow night and so we don't want to vote on it and I can still pitch that to them That might be a factor in the financial end of things Just to put that out there, but I haven't had a chance to ask I mean, I I still keep mulling over the You know, I think it's a good idea and I think there's a good opportunity for us to use The technology for not just our meetings, but for other committees or Or for, you know, training purposes or maybe potentially share share in the community But where I keep getting hung up right now anyways is just the you know the financial Responsibility that right now they have You know, we need to come up with You know $40,000 On the retirement and things of the budget plus Plus, you know, plus some of the other things that we have adjusted since then either, you know, rent or disbuilding and other potential Things that will come before the board on, you know, reprieving things and So we're already upside down money. I just I think I would feel a lot more comfortable by building this into a budget I know it wouldn't get the use immediately would be more of a next july thing, but You know, I'm just kind of looking at, you know, we have to spend $400 Plus another $20 a month, you know, which is You know between now and our next budget, you know, we would be spending about $4,000 here to have the equipment and do it And then we're already talking, we're already at the whole 40 plus Well, plus 31 plus the way 2400 were at the historical side, you know, so we're kind of I think my any things I just would I personally would feel Irresponsible budget wise if I was to spend more money on top of knowing that That we had kind of a hole right now with that, but I think the idea is a great Did you think this We would have to have somebody that Well, somebody has to monitor it when it comes to like the chat Questions type thing, but But the owl thing if you did the owl or whatever the owl won't work here. Okay. Yeah He said no, so I was asking Paul about the prices of the tv I wasn't sure if these were reasonable and Paul, you know, saying he's not sure we need a 65 inch He said if we went to 55 it knocks about 600 bucks off the price and um Like I said, and I had said this from the get-go. I was going to ask from on digital for pricing Where would you put the tv in here? Well, we would have to right you'd have to get the car You have to put it and then we have to install a lock on one of these doors So where would you put it during the meeting? Where would it be? Well, the camera would plug into it. So she would be filming so she'd plug into it Be somewhere probably it would have Yeah, either on this end so somebody could see the audience and the select board Right or on this end. So either way they'd have to be one people I assume participating to see both so it would have to be on either end We'd have to wheel it out in that way I mean that'd be my guess. I've never done it. So Yeah, I would imagine you could play have it towards the back so you can still see That's we have right next to the camera Because she'd be the camera would plug into it and they would be And we would also have to have speakers Well, I think if that person were speaking you do it on the speaker view So then just that person would come up and so you'd be just looking, you know Probably fairly similarly sized to Jesse sitting across the room And they said that we would we could try it with the tv without speakers and then if we needed Speakers we could buy individual speakers or a little speaker bar or something if we felt that the tv didn't provide enough So that's I mean there would probably be quite a bit of Trial here. Yeah Who runs it might take a couple of meetings to really get dialed in maybe we have to have enough piece of equipment Well, we'd have to have somebody else to run it I agree with you Chris. I think we should Give it serious thought on the next year's budget There's a There's something that we need to do in terms of communicating with the With the public Ellie, what do you think? You say you got your new account. Let's see. We're all fired up. No, I got my new camera So I got a camera now so I'm already but I don't really care because I like I like in person Does I are I like this camera wait the situations That it is now The tv itself it sounds good It always nice to have a backup Just in case, you know, because this is not It might be this is not Sure, it's nice to have a backup And with the tv and everything else I'm for it, but you know for about just in case Something comes up. Some comes up. Well, I'll be a home on our individual computers If you guys say I'm gonna give back to you again We go back to you man for everything else and you still put it out to the people Because the other thing about the television is that the state of Vermont isn't Like v tram better roads. They're not doing as many of their trainings in person now for trainings We need to do them. They're doing webinars like remotely. So part of the tv was having it here So tim richard allen gave haze and whatever if they were attending trainings because now they're going to do Much more than remotely so instead of everybody trying to be gathered around this little computer screen They could come here and plug a laptop into a tv and then they could all train and not be like, you know Steering over each other's shoulder because that's one of the things that's going to happen Again, you know, necessarily have that budgeted right now. Not what they put the breakdowns I would appreciate hearing your perspective knowing that it sort of has this Multi-tiered purpose and also knowing our budget as well as you know it Where do you stand with with sort of what chris was saying like Already in the hole. Yeah, is this a reasonable purchase to make on top of knowing that I wouldn't do it this year because we have A monitor, you know, not a big one, but we have a monitor at the town office. So we don't use Manches that is I'm just going to give you this because But um, so so if you needed to you could have a monitor, you know So if the guys were doing trainings we have we bought a laptop during covid So if alan and hazen and you know the three of them could have two different laptops and a little monitor So we could make it work for another year for training and and um And if we go if heaven forbid we all have to go home again and and do our meetings remotely the tv It's not really about us all being promoted Right if there are people who aren't comfortable being able to come right exactly So but we could still do it.  I could put that on a little table like on the edge of the we could Make it work. I think a little better than we had You it was kind of like, okay, we're gonna try it with the laptop and And you were a good egg about it, but um, we could I think we could run a cable I know we could actually because the orca gentleman said we could from the tv We could do a computer monitor because he said we could so you know We could make something work better Without spending any money. Well, except for buying the zoom membership What do you think jesse is it a special tv that you need or just something that it's a smart tv They said like a smart tv um, that was we were just I think the whole thing is that what size to get because the halls Yeah, I have what the twos or wi-fi capability Yeah, yeah I'm some not smart tv because that's the only way to the town. Yeah, there's no flat screen, but they're Not smart, but yeah, we have a problem. So we could use a monitor for me because I do have You know one at the office that's not being utilized right now. So Since money is money is an issue right this year, especially um, not it's always an issue But especially this year due to the retirement situation. Um, I think we could you know 20 bucks a month is a heck of a lot cheaper than You know if you wanted to do the zoom package 20 a month we could cover but um tv just Yeah Yeah So we could um, you could add it to the so fast the consensus will just Do you want me to still talk to bri or no Leave it for now. Thank you First uh, see what the um Using feedback, you know, yeah, they're willing to do let's get towards the end of the year You know It's a try. Oh, you're not oh, I thought you were No I Do you want me to order? Do you want us to sign up and pay the the zoom for now in case we have people Or should I wait or just wait Thanks, josephy, we have two projectors is one a bigger one and there's one downstairs We have two projectors here Or one here in one video projector for the computer Yeah We have a projector. Yeah, and we have a screen right behind you. We used it So we would not technically we can we get a laptop technically we don't mean To buy a tv to do the hybrid we could try the hybrid What's on your laptop so your laptop becomes the The link yep, it gets its signal Audio and visual from the camera. Okay Uh and Goes into your projector your projector puts it on the screen And if we've already got all that that's we do we have another laptop that we got Excuse me during covid and then um And there's a screen right behind you. I can see it because I used it for The steering committee the steering committee for the better connections grant I I used oh, okay. So, uh I that's that's a kind of option To get through if we want to do that then we actually then we have experience with it in terms of You know engage you with budget building Because I've never used the a I've never used it or any so I I didn't even know Yeah, you'll just have to you'd have to get pretty creative on Um You know because obviously like they was saying somebody's gonna run the computer, right? Yeah, so whoever runs the computer would have to Use the projectors usually within All the projectors I've used anyways. They're usually within six feet 30 feet These are older projectors, but anyway doesn't matter we could do that and then we could set the screen up I gotta have people but I can run from almost any place in the room. So maybe one meeting would be tested out tonight But the works maybe doesn't the real catch is who monitors The chest especially during the open Public comment Yeah, Chris and I Have module passed, but you're right. I mean that's kind of You have to be an inclusion Define a volunteer Define a volunteer Yeah, we need somebody to run and that's for sure If so, if we've got the equipment And if we if we could find that we could you know connect we could connect To the laptop and and they would do the and he actually emailed me the other day and asked me I told my I didn't know more tomorrow and they could run a cord from their camera into the laptop Right, so um and maybe that because of this because of her mics. Maybe that helps our audio problem, right? Yeah, I don't know. Um, I mean I mean we could somehow give me the test run. I mean I think you know You know probably adding a new membership is probably not gonna make our son, you know And maybe we can I mean we've been always canceling it, right? So yeah, we could do it Try a test run try not necessarily the next meeting, but maybe One day or so to see if we can set it up and see if it works because I can do a free account Well, we would have to have work here, right? Well Yeah, because I would because I was just thinking but right giving the laptop Maybe we can set up an orca so that one of these select board meetings coming Maybe they could come like an hour early And I get five o'clock and a couple of us could volunteer to see if we could hook it up and see What kind of quality we get and then if it's good, we go live with that and it's not We'll have lily calling And it's not that we just you know, we wait until Cooking dinner while listening to the select board meeting that's like from day three Yeah, I will do that You know, I'd be glad to help set that up. So we're going to do the Making the connections. Yeah, because we have to have you there Provide the equipment set up. Okay. So we kind of need to work out to be able to make that whole thing work All right, so I'll I'll sign up For zoom but I can we could do a personal account. I could do a free personal account just at first and And do that before we sign up for anything and then we could give it a test run So maybe the first meeting in october Try it out All right to um And then yeah, we could get lily or someone she'd call in Yeah The yellow From at five And we'll set up the I'll get a tutorial from Kelly so we can set up the projector All right All right, anything further on that? Town managers before anything that we have not gone Uh, so the town of stock bridge provided us with a draft of their lhm P I wrote the guy feel bad. I felt his pain and I reviewed it. I think it looks good. Um, if anybody has any concerns, um I told him I'd let him know tomorrow what? um That I thought it looked good. Obviously, we're not editing their document. There's really more content. I don't know if anybody had any issues Why why are we looking at the nerve just like they had to look at ours You have to send it to all the towns you abide along with the uh regional planning commission and State of the month Yeah, and we received no feedback from anyone So I was trying to be courteous because I would appreciate it's a feedback from someone, but they didn't give us any but Yeah, no, it's funny, isn't it? Yeah, no, we have to send it to everybody Did you have it until I sent it to you? Because they just dropped it on my lap and no because they have to send it to the chair The trees has seen this so far. No, I saw I'll send a tree of my gift Did you have any comments on it Dave the stock bridge one See it again. I didn't know if you guys had any comments on that. I have a comment. Yeah They included wildfire. Yep. There's one of their Significant threats. Yeah And uh, we did At our last meeting we had a Public comment that raised the issue of wildfires. Yeah and so I just noticed that and then As we look toward next year, we might want to consider Whether or not there is such a threat here, right that we need to take more seriously Yeah, no, that's true. Has Stafford had any type of not that I'm aware. I mean, I don't know, you know killin can have the Yeah, I don't know not that I'm aware of the fire there this summer. Yeah With what's happening up with no, it's it's it's true So In the spring, yeah Yeah So will um, I'm also having icon repair one of the expansion joints on church street It's the one closest to the village on the the credit union side. I don't know when but if you see flaggers there, that's why um So once I have it, I have asked the state about ics 402 So, um, as I said, so I I saw your email gene, but I was still waiting for feedback from them about the training um So I let you know the auditors are going to be here the week of the 20th East Bethel factory hill road is going to be swept and paved this month Wayward partnership is moving forward to remove the dam in east Bethel. They're also doing that Yeah, he said they're going to start this week. Um, we're going to be holding a tax sale this year December it looks like so I just got the information from Stitzel page and Fletcher at this point I think I have like 11 properties in mind But sometimes when they get the letter from the lawyer, they realize that we really mean business So somebody pays. Um, so we'll see I did talk to I had my phone meeting on the 10th with the state of Vermont To try and secure a hazard mitigation grant funding for a project on gillian road. Um That's that big, um It needs to be like a replacement of a it's a big box culvert that needs to be replaced and um, so I talked to Stephanie Smith She just sent me the information So it would qualify be a two-year project. It's on gillian around the winterberry winterberry lane area and um so it's um It would be a two-year process and always if we get the money because it would be something that we would need engineered I have a hydraulic, you know Study done. I have that the state of Vermont did but we would still need someone to engineer This would be a two-year process. So, um, she sent me the horrible looking package to write the grant Like yeah, it's a blood sample probably in there somewhere. So, uh, anyway, so I am trying to get some funding for that So, uh, Du Bois and King gave me their contract. I'm going to review and sign that this week um, I put a note in here in your packet that I had sent an email to Derek and Brian right About a class four road Issue up there that's not working out. So I've written to Carl Russell tonight asking the class four road committee to weigh in um can give us some recommendation on the maintenance that needs to be done there to deal with the argument going on between The disagreement there. So I need some advice. So I wrote Carl was aware of it. I wrote to him again tonight asking Perhaps they could walk it. I'm hoping as soon as the beginning of october Then they'll make they'll hear from both parties. They'll walk the road any other butters And then they'll make a recommendation and I would bring it to the select board to ask you to bless it But we have a little teeth up there. So That's kind of the change of that also included in your packet that you have um, Beth Voles Cassidy named teacher of the year for the Hartford area career and technology center Employee of the year an outstanding teacher of the year. So I thought that was great. So congratulations to Sean Cassidy I thought that was nice so I think that's it this week. I am prepping for the audit which takes a lot of time and working on that I Yeah NDEW Energy committee Yeah, this was I'm not sure I was supposed to give this to you guys, but Nicole had given it to me Are you talking about this one about the select board resolution? Yeah, she hasn't drafted one It would look like for notes of ideas that she had And um, but one of them was that and I did tell her that if she was interested in a select board resolution Then they would need to draft it and um, so this was just kind of some ideas. I think that they were Talking about the forward fest, but it hasn't gotten flushed out yet. So Um, but that looks like For me, obviously the financials are in there. Um, and if you have any questions, just let me know Other than that Cancel yep, I think that was probably a good call on her part on um Uh, Cindy Mackap was organizing a really nice event for volunteers for Bethel But this was the new kids going back to school and and you know, the Delta variant COVID She just felt like maybe we need to wait a little bit and I know she was kind of thinking about some other ideas And they were doing the brainstorming session Last week and I haven't heard the outcome of that yet I mean, it's a great idea, but I I had the Select board meeting minutes from the 23rd I'm gonna steal Paul's thunder before he gets there. So on the select board meeting minutes, it should say the 23rd not the 25th So Jumping all over that It says 25th on the yeah, it's supposed to be 23rd. Oh, you know, I was probably typing on the You had it right on the yeah, I did. I must have been typing All right, thank you. Yes, I'm sure I was unless we have anything else just need a motion to approve The meeting minutes from 21 Sorry, okay all in favor And then there was a bunch of other communications in there. There was BRTS special on there there was two rec committee minutes. Yeah, bca has a bca was in there And Yeah Has anything else come out of the It's all wasted in regards to our follow Meeting Because I think we had talked about We would want to have that prior to us Going to a warning in case we had to warn something, right?  No, you just have to by january Or else it automatically renews for another year, right? Yeah, well that reminds me our line of credit is still Kind of stalls Hey, where else is fine? Royalton sign theirs Despite I spoke to one of the royalton members and they said they wanted to make sure their little documents match ours And I said our the lawyer hasn't approved it, but they signed it anyways So I wrote to our harbour the other day and said If you don't make the edits that our lawyer has requested then I am going to formally withdraw our application And we will go somewhere else Because they are not wanting to make the edits and I said the select word bevel is not going to go against legal advice And As it's and I have not heard back from our harbour, so I did ask them So if they don't make the edits then I will withdraw and I will go to mescoma And I know that the I get the impression that the brts border the royalton section is a little nervous about it And as a lot we've carried you for years I'm trying to get this review signed against legal advice even though you said you wanted the documents to match so You're gonna have to wait. Hey, I got no offender for you. That's like word will not sign something the lawyer is telling you not to sign So the fact that they jumped the gun is Strictly very sure and I did tell them that as soon as We know we haven't even had to take a draw off our man But I said if we do then, you know, obviously as soon as battle is proved we'll deal with that Yeah, so, um, so just so you know, that's why you haven't seen it I'm hoping I did find it to say How's the subcommittee going slow, I mean, it's yeah Yeah Yeah, nobody's even calling me in regards to the one that they were gonna Oh, you were the cacela one I think that's sort of been dropped But the big one for big as far as I'm concerned is the job description of the person who was appreciating the hardest Is that committee that committee hasn't moved either? Yeah Yeah, it's sort of everything I said you dropped, right Dave didn't I give you the drafts that Beth will have Of the jobs for questions. Yeah I thought it was Dave somebody Maybe I sent him to I feel like somebody asked no not him I can look I'll look and see if I have I will I think maybe it was Jen I'm not sure the rts job descriptions question mark I think you did about the Maybe that was it. Yeah Yeah, I'll look and see if I have any old ones Because sometimes in uh, you know in the computer system in the storage, I might be able to find I'll I'll search the thing or have kelly do it and if she finds them, I'll send them to both have her send them to both of you Um, but yeah, so that's so the law So we haven't signed the line to credit. I I got not Chris to sort of answer your question of like should we be doing a meeting? I think if If we really wanted a meeting to happen just organizing it between the two select boards and not really trying to do it through the rts is probably Be the more seamless way especially since it's mostly select board membership modes. Anyway, we're just You know like we've done before just having a joint meeting of the two select boards Well, I guess at this point because I don't even talk about Feel like well, do we have any hop? I mean, I know when we met March or April You know at that time there was still the indebtedness that was old um, that was a hot topic and then you know, we had A couple of items that were in full agreement that we were talking about potentially modifying But I doesn't know I mean other than financially whole You know, I don't know you Do we want to just climb right now and? I don't think you have any Ways to time. I don't think everybody didn't talk about Because you have that and there's if the committees haven't been able to do any of that stuff and then Yeah, right or it could be an opportunity to say we're I mean, I don't think there's anything pressing that needs to be addressed by both Select boards. Okay. Maybe just hold out for now That's good. All right. Anything else coming toward the board? What is it what the war It's under the trestle It's only Yeah, no, we're aware.  Yeah, okay Um, one of the things was the uh, the clock I spoke with someone That came and suddenly got to happen and got in the past and To fix this clock? Yeah, yeah, they can but he used to he used to work for Beppo. Uh-huh. And I spoke with him and I know he made some errors I think we all had and I was talking to him about it And he said he could do that Yeah, I'm calling. That's if you guys want to know Yeah, I because the guy who was The gentleman who passed on it has been out of state like he's south somewhere And I don't know I can't remember now when he was coming back But we had Dave Akin came in to try to help and even he couldn't fix it and um, so Yeah, well Right now Yeah But I'll ask Kelly because the guy the gentleman like his name escapes me I know he is but from the clock chop the guy who's been doing it for years Yeah, no, that's fine. Yes, I appreciate that because Many people have been here but the guy doesn't come back. We didn't have any options Grand Dave Akin down here. God bless him, but he didn't he couldn't fix it either Well, he couldn't go up So he was on his cell phone talking about Alan and Richard and then they just couldn't get it to work They feel like it needed some more work Dave and I were noticing I didn't hear it ring at all during the meeting It's been going I heard it once Right at the beginning of our meeting, but 7 o'clock and 8 o'clock Neither of the points It's probably just gone to sleep Oh, yeah It's all thrown off on my neck 201 201 Yeah, I can ask her to but um, yeah, if there's somebody who can Maybe it can fix it because we can't right no one on staff can fix it and then this gentleman has been in I just don't know Kentucky, Tennessee, somewhere for months on end He said something to me about him on his head that opened it down here But it's sort of like and we saw somebody And I mentioned mentioned him about him doing it and he said he would but he weren't sure if he could Be okay Well, just talk to me about it. Well, it's worked out because we can find some Because we can't I'm like Second