Hello friends, welcome back to another episode here on the channel. I hope you're all doing great and for anyone new to the channel, my name is Lee, also known as Osiris. In today's episode, we're continuing on with that VGC Series 8 content, playing a parkia team. As you can see, the team is on your screen now, the parkia ferrithon, polytod, glarian maltres, regi alecki and lipoid. As always, there will be a poker face down in the description below. It gives you all the details of the spreads, the EVs and everything like that. If you want to check out the actual details of the team or try it out on showdown, you've got the option there. And if you stick around until the end of the episode, we'll be throwing up a rental code for this team, so you can try it out for yourselves on the doubles rank ladder. I hope you enjoy this team today. It's my on take on parkia. I think it's quite a fun one and hopefully you enjoy the episodes. And without further ado, friends, let's get into our first opponent of the episode. OK, up first today, we have a team of Shadow Rider Calyrex, Malamar, Sylveon, Eldegoss, Thunderous Incarnate and Metagross. First of all, I'm just impressed with myself that I remembered Eldegoss as Eldegoss, because I'm so bad with names. Anyway, what are we looking at here? We've got trick room elements to the team. The Malamar provides the trick room for the team supporting the Sylveon, I guess the Eldegoss as well, which probably be preferably in a trick room environment. And then you've got the Calyrex, Shadow Rider, the Thunderous kind of combination Metagross as well. It's going to be tricky. We do have Maltres that can really do some damage to my opponent's team. We've got to be careful around things like the Thunderous stuff. We do decide to go down a Maltres route because Thunderous really checks Maltres pretty hard. I think the best thing for us to do really is try and get ourselves into a trick room environment. If we can do that, we're in a good spot in all honesty. I think we can kind of guarantee a trick room with Lipod Park here. It's what we kind of want. Like my opponent's got no fire types as well. So if we get ourselves like into a great position, I think the Pherothones are amazing in this match, especially like the Malmaw could be a little bit tricky for sure. I'm kind of leaning towards Polytode more than anything. It boosts Palkia's water type attacks and it also gives us Perish Song because I can see us getting to an end game where we've got my opponent with two Pokemon left in a win condition where we can just click the Perish Song button. And I think that might be better off like going down that route than maybe kind of forcing something like Maltrez coming, which could be a good end game Pokemon for sure, but could kind of backfire on us as well. So my opponent does so the Malmaw and the Eldegoss. OK, what are we going to see? I mean, let's see, Eldegoss going to do this is a problem like not playing Eldegoss ever in Sword and Shield. It's one of those Pokemon I've seen in the wild and I've never played around with. Don't play many. It's another one where you're kind of like left guessing a little bit.  Max guys are I mean, we're not in Sword and Shield anymore because two of these should be enough. Yeah, we'll go for I think we'll go for this because we still, you know, if we are maxing with Palkia, the beauty about having live pod is we can max guard Trick Room still while we're in a max form, which is which is always useful. Just a little bit scared about this Eldegoss. They don't know what it's going to do. I have no idea. This combination here, you know, my opponent's kind of thrown it out that force. They're not forcing us to pull the trigger with our Dynamax, but I do feel like more inclined to pull the trigger here and kind of pave the way maybe for a late game, Trick Room game if I can. We do get the fake out onto the Eldegoss, which is useful, cutting down is going to drop a speed here. Both things, which isn't ideal. Are they going for a taunt? Okay, it stops our, it does stop the ability for us to max guard, I believe, which is not ideal, but we do remove the Malmaw pretty easily. So I'm kind of happy about that. Kind of happy about that. I mean, you've got to be right. Get rid of our Malmaw. It's always one of those Pokemon where if we set the Trick Room up and it gets a few superpowers off and that contraability kicks in, it becomes a very difficult Pokemon to deal with, you know? So we're taking an early lead here and we'll see where the rest of this goes. I'm sure Eldegoss has, I'm sure Eldegoss has Sleep Powder. I'm sure of it. That would be really bad. Okay, so Shadow Rider Calorax coming in. We do our foul play on Lipod so we can just chuck that out at them if we want. Can we get the Copycat Trick Room? I don't think we can max guard though, can we? No, we can't. I didn't think we could. I just had to check, right? I just had to check. I think we foul play and do we just double up into it? I think if foul play, I'll get it. We could max Wyrmwind as well and we could max Quake into it just to get a special defense boost. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-bomb. Let's go after the Eldegoss with a, okay, Calorax is gonna protect here. That's fine, fine, I guess. Showing the foul play. What's this Eldegoss gonna do? Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss. Yes! Yeah, there we go. That's what we want. Just pray for it, friends. This isn't, oh, okay. Well, not so good because, yeah, okay. We need the trick room. We need the trick room badly, yeah. Because they can put a lipo to sleep now which would not be good. We do have a Jack button that we could throw on to the Eldegoss. It's such a bulky Pokemon. There's no way for us to get round. This is where, could we? No, copycatting would just give us max Wyrmwind. I mean, we could potentially copycat. And get the Eldegoss, right? If they, and then go max Geyser into this. No, because, well, yeah, we have to get max Wyrmwind. So it'd be special rend into the Eldegoss. Hopefully that would be enough. And then, I don't know if it'll work out like this but if we can get the Eldegoss now that works out perfectly. So let's say copycat should be spatial rend into Eldegoss. Please be into Eldegoss. Yes, no sleep powder. And then the next turn we can copycat trick, we can't copycat trick room anymore. We can't, but they haven't maxed this turn. So we should pick up the knockout onto the car racks here. Astral barrage, yep. We hop out with lipo, which is fine because it gives us the opportunity to utilize it a little bit later. And like I say, we'll get the polytode in and then we can go for perish, perish to end this game. Okay, so copycat working like a dream here for us. We get the max Geyser, like I say, boosted with illustrious orb in the rain should be more than enough. Ooh, it's sashed. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Now our taunt does wear off so we've got the opportunity to trick room now. So we've got a couple of options right now. My opponent can max something. It's gonna be a thunderous, ooh.  And I think that's what we do. Trick room, perish song. Hopefully we've got enough to take. I like both will take an astral barrage. I don't think we're gonna get knocked out by an astral barrage. Okay, well, we just see the cancel. So just in too strong a position and copycat coming in clutch for us. So a nice one for us to kick off with today. We saw a little bit of the team performing. Obviously taunt can be a little bit problematic for Palkia. It's maybe why we should have maybe looked at going down the trick room to turn one. Wasn't expecting the speed drops but that's just my inexperience of playing something like Eldegoss, you know? It's a tricky Pokemon and it's like going back to the conversation I think we had like last week on the channel where it's, you know, when you come up against this Pokemon that you're not so familiar with, you're kind of in that guessing game.  So it falls in line with that. But now at least I've got a little bit more information about Eldegoss going forward. I'll keep in the old chest in the brain full of information. Anyway, we got an ex opponent up. We're looking like an, oh, okay. This isn't too bad. We've got Zassian, Thunderous incarnate, Urshifu, Amungus, Colossal and Dragapult. Okay. The biggest thing here, you would maybe not expect it to be a big issue for myself is the Amungus because I think we have to go down a trick room route, which is going to be easy enough for us to set up 100%. And I think my opponent's team like falls apart in a trick room without the Amungus but the Amungus is the big kind of thorn in our side. That's why I've been thinking maybe safety goggles on Parker could be a really good option. Either that or taunt on Lipod because then you get the trick room up and then you can taunt the Amungus and then sleep's not really an issue, you know? We need Farathorn and I think probably Polytaught again for Endgame Parish song. So we're looking for these four. Let's see where we go. This one could be tricky, but tricky. It's how my opponent plays the Amungus and if we see, I don't expect to see Dragapult colossal up top. I think it's too hard of a matchup for my opponent to bring. We also have the trick as well which could come in super useful where we don't need to necessarily... We don't need to max straight away. Okay, well, we're going to see Thundaris and Zassian come out for my opponent. We could max guard trick room, puts us in an awkward position if the Amungus comes onto the field though. That's the only issue. What other options do we get? I don't think we can trick Zassian. I'm pretty sure we're not going to be able to take the rusted sword off it, which would be which would be a really nice option. We could max and just go after. I mean, we could trick. I think we copycat max guard trick room. Do we, do we, do we, do we? Yeah, let's just go for it. I'm sure my opponent's probably going to call us and pull in the Amungus here though, which would be the big, they don't. Okay, they're just going to max Thundaris. Okay. Well, this puts us in a really good position because we're in a strong position going into turn two now because without the Amungus on the field, at least we're going to be able to utilize one of our max moves the next turn for a turn. Maybe if we can kind of snipe an Amungus switch in, that would be good. But maybe my opponent hasn't brought an Amungus. I can't see a world and where they haven't brought the Amungus because it's such a useful Pokemon against what we're doing. But we'll see how things play out. We'll see how things play out. I think the fact that Thundaris is maxed here gives us a lot of hope, especially if the Airstream, which I'm presuming that they will. So. There's a max guard and we'll copycat that trick room. That old trick that we've seen a million times but it works so well in this team. It detracts the need for having redirection which is hard to fit in on this team, I feel. Okay, well, there we go. Doubling into that Palkia slot. Like a treat. Okay, well. Could get rid of the Thundaris. I don't even care about the Thundaris at this point, you know. I think what we'll do is get Polytod onto the field. Yeah.  Zassian's gonna switch out for sure. We'll get rid of the Thundaris, I think. Because it's not gonna have max guard. It's likely gonna be a salt vest, I think. The other option is actually that the reason I'm attacking the Thundaris is because I don't want Polytod just to take a max lightning here for no reason. I kind of want to protect my Polytod a little bit more than what I wouldn't be doing if I wasn't attacking into the Thundaris. If the Thundaris is life orb, it's going down. If it's not, yeah, Zassian, this is the other thing we could have went for this slot and caught the Amungus on the switching, yeah. Okay, it's a life orb Thundaris, so we take it down pretty easily. I'm assuming it's a life orb. I don't think we take down that in a salt vest one. Maybe we would, I don't know. Maybe. But it's still very tricky, but the thing we want to try and do is get Pherathon onto the field now. This is where the safety goggles would be. Just the key thing here because we just sweep up whatever's next to the Amungus. And I think it's definitely an item, I think I probably would prefer to have on Palkia. Because right now, what you do, what you do, what you do, what you do, what you do. I mean, we can double into the Amungus and we could switch into Pherathon and skull the Zassian.  I really don't, I don't.  So we'll bring in Pherathon if we can get now in defense up as well. If they've got sacred sword, obviously doesn't help out as much. But if we can burn the Zassian with a straight skull here, that would be huge, you know? Yeah, let's get that burn. Come on, Polytod, get the burn. That's what we want. No burn, no burn. Spoiling our party. All right, well, the sacred sword's gonna hurt a bunch. They're gonna spore us. Are we in defense or do we just body press? I think we leech seed maybe here. We'll take one sacred sword. They're gonna spore Polytod. Yeah, just chipping away at this Zassian. It's nice getting the leech seed onto it as well. Kind of gets around the fact that they potentially could substitute. There we take that. Yeah, and that's nice chip there. So really what we want now is, the Zassian is a problem for us for sure. How many turns of trick room have we got left? Because we're gonna, ah, this is the last turn. So this is actually not too bad because you kind of want them to, hmm. You can't, I kind of want the Polytod to go down here in all honesty. So I'm gonna protect Pherothon. And I don't expect them to double in on Pherothon here. This is the opportunity where we could potentially get the body press off into it, into the Zassian. And they go after the Polytod. But then if we lose Pherothon, we're not in the best position. And now I'll just protect, I'll protect, I'll protect, I'll protect. Body pressing here probably would have been there. Okay, they're gonna switch out. All right, right. They're gonna definitely spoil the Polytod. Body pressing there would have been the, like the best option, the best option for us, like 100% because Urshifu Polytod, the Amungus now is like searching issue, searching issue. I don't know if we can deal with this. This is where the safety goggles, like 100%. I know I said it before this match, but this is why the safety goggles is such a valuable tool to have. Cause we've got no switch-ins right now. We've got Palke, we could switch in, but it's not really the best switching. Pherothon would go down. Lipod's probably, the Amungus is gonna be tricky cause you're kinda looking at Pherothon as your end game. So Pherothon's the most important thing for us here. So we need to protect it at all costs, like we need to. We need Polytod to wake up as well. Like one-term wake up would be ideal now to get a Skald into the Urshifu because with the minus one defense, we'll probably just put it down to its sash, but at the same time, it's kinda useful. Okay, not so useful. An energy ball, not the thing you wanna see in Amungus. Do take it, thankfully, Prokawiki Berry. The rain stops. It's tricky. Yeah, I don't know if we're gonna be able to do this. Cause we really want the end game to come down to Amungus Pherothon, but we need, the only option here is doubling up into Urshifu, but then the rage powder just kinda counteracts that really. And we could perish here.  Probably, probably wicked blow. The other option is, what we could potentially do is Skald into the Urshifu. Hope we wake up, hope they attack into Palkia, but go wicked blow, and then Pherothon take the wicked blow, which I'm hoping we can. Cause if they're sashed, no, they're gonna close combat. Okay, okay. We should have just attacked cause there's no rage powder either. But they're sashed. They're 100% sashed. So this is the problem. The Amungus is just shutting us down completely.  And without taunt on Lipod as well, it just gives my opponent just so much free reign. I think we've got to switch that up. Okay. Cause all we can do is really spatial rend the Urshifu and then maybe go for an iron defense, but it's still not really gonna be enough for us because a close combat will just take us down. Yeah. And then it's Palkia versus the world asleep. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. This is really frustrating. It's really frustrating when you've got a concept in mind for what would be very threatening against your team and what a lot of players are using to deal with specific Pokemon. And you kind of think about it and you opt for a different option. And it comes back to bite you like this really hard. And like the safety goggles, as I say I mentioned, and it's definitely something I'm putting on. I don't think you need the extra power with Palkia because I think what you gain from the safety goggles is so much more valuable. You know, it might not be, it might not be, it's over, it's over. There's no way we can, there's no way we can win this now because disaster is gonna take us down in two hits. I would imagine the energy boat probably gonna be enough. Okay, well, they sub. So it gives us an extra turn to potentially wake up. But we're gonna need like two turns and it's not gonna happen, is it? It's not gonna happen. And the energy ball doing too much damage anyway. So yeah, we're just gonna forfeit and move on. Very disappointed in that one. I think what we're gonna do is come back and have another battle right now. I'm gonna swap over to the safety goggles and we are going to, we're gonna come back and have one more with this team because the Amungus issue is something I did look at in team building and it's far too big of an issue to kind of look past. So we'll be right back and I'll change this item. Okay, we're back and I've changed the item over. I don't know whether I'm gonna keep that last game in or not. I think it's valuable to keep it in because we talked about safety goggles. I've switched it over on the Palcare because we got just railroaded so hard off the Amungus. I think it makes the team overall generally quite better. Keeping this in the video as well is quite useful for a lot of the newer players. I think it's good to jump on the ladder and if you've had an initial thought, you change your mind on an item and why you've not got it there or a certain tool within your team and then you get exploited by that tool that you were worried about in the first place. It's always a good idea just to throw it back in and say, right, well that matchup now is kind of patched because with the safety goggles in the last game, we wouldn't have been railroaded like we were. So we've got another Amungus here. So maybe this can come in useful because it's a very similar team to what we just played. Got the Thunderous, the Incineroar, the Zassian, Amungus, Landerous, Theorian and Urshifu. So I think our trick room is going to be very useful. Obviously we need to watch out for the fake up from the opposing Incineroar, which could stop Lipod in its tracks 100%. So we need to be very careful, mindful of that. I think Farathon gives us a nice option with an immunity to Amungus along with our safety goggles and Polito gives us the rain which is useful against a lot of stuff. So we're going to lock in with these four. I think the worst combination we could see come out for my opponent would be the Incineroar and the Thunderous, maybe the Incineroar and Zassian because the fake out into Lipod and then, well, it's not too bad to be honest. It's not too bad because the eject button, at least if they fake us out, it means we've got a switch into something like Polito to get a rain up and we can just nuke something with Palkia. So there's options around not getting the trick room to Morn anyway. We'll see what we do. Okay, Oshifu and Thunderous. Perfect. We can get a trick room up and we're in a great spot and I don't care about Amungus anymore, which is the thing. And, you know, I keep referencing the Amungus. So I feel like I have to kind of leave that last game in. So I think it's valuable leaving it in. We've got the Oshifu, Thunderous coming out. They're probably going to go for double up into, like they probably suspect what we're doing. You know, they may suspect and switch the Amungus in right now for like Thunderous. That would be my best bet. Maybe close combat into the Lipod, but it then will give us the opportunity to just get pherothone on the field so iron defencing or Polito'd if we need the rain, but they're going to stay in with both. And they're going to max with Thunderous. So I'd imagine it looks like a dream ball, is it? Yeah. Okay, Thunderous coming out, kind of hoping for the double up into Palkia, in all honesty. You'd imagine that's what we'll probably see, although I could see them going after the Lipod as well. So it's better than my opponent doesn't switch out in this situation as well. Like we say, like the longer the Amungus, it takes the Amungus to come on to the field with the trick room up, the better for us. We haven't got the Lustrous Orb anymore, so we haven't got the extra boost, but I don't necessarily think we need it, need it, you know? Okay, there's your food, gonna just go for the Detect here, and we'll go for Copycat into Palkia and get that trick room up, is ideal. And we'll probably see an Airstream from the Thunderous into Palkia, I would imagine. Ooh, Max Knuckle, huh? Okay, there we go. Ooh, going after the Lipod, and that's fine. We can double down into the Airstream for this next turn, if you want. It makes it tricky, though. The Max Knuckle's definitely a nice option there for my opponent. Because do we bring in Farathon now? It's gonna take a Max Knuckle. I think we bring in Polytod. I think we chase down the Thunderous, and go Skull. Ooh, Skulled. Do we double up into Thunderous? We help in hand, Palkia. The Airstream food's likely to switch out, that's my only thing. I think the Airstream food's likely to switch out. So this is why I would prefer to go Max Geyser into Thunderous. The thing Airstream food now is a target for us to double tap into, because of the Detect that last turn, especially with the dimensions twisted, and it gives my opponent a nice opportunity to get the Emungus onto the field. Suspecting maybe that we double tap into that slot with a couple of water type attacks, which they're probably pretty confident they can take pretty well and put themselves in a nice position. Disrupt our kind of, our game plan in the next game. So, if we can get rid of the Thunderous, it isn't life up. It's likely gonna be a Saltfest. We could potentially lose Polytod here to a... Oh, they're keeping the Airstream food in. Huh, okay. Oh, it hangs on by the... Ah, that is unfortunate. Wicked Blow and what we're gonna see? Max Lightning. Okay, well, the Emungus isn't so much of an issue anymore. Polytod going down so quick. We're getting absolutely hammered here. Okay, then we need to deal with the Thunderous. We need to deal with the Thunderous. Is the body press gonna be enough to get it? I don't think so. But a plus one, plus combat probably does get pherothone as well. But we could Iron Defense suspecting that they protect. Yeah, and go Max Wormwind into Thunderous here because then it drops the attack on the Airstream food. Get rid of the Thunderous. We can Iron Defense as well and start setting pherothone up. This is last turn of a Max turn. So, with the electric terrain getting set up as well on the field, it makes me think that my opponent probably hasn't got. They haven't got the Emungus in the back. But they're just going at all attack here, you know? Which is not a bad, bad way to go. If the Airstream food attacks into pherothone as well, then the Max Wormwind's useful. Like normally you wouldn't want to really attack into a Thunderous with a Max Wormwind, but this situation is quite useful. To do that, what is the Airstream food going to go for here? Wicked blow into Palkia. Trying to weaken us, I guess, take our trick room mode away. Would be the best thing for us to do. I don't know, going close combat. Okay, well, that's fine because then they break their sash. Okay. Still got a bit of a struggle, you know? Depends what my opponent's got in the back. We've not got many turns of trick room left as well, which is always going to make things a little more difficult for us. But pherothone Palkia is still a good combination to kind of try and close this one up for sure. So let's see what they've got. I think the way my opponents approach this game as well is a really good example for how you can just kind of try and use your Palkia Pokemon, things with the sash, things with an assault vest just to kind of blow through trick room stuff because you know you've got the defense capabilities and the power output to overcome some trick room teams. And you can see like what's happened here is they've taken opportunities where they know, right? Well, we can't stop the trick room but let's just get as much damage on the field as possible and try and take the match from there. So I think we can like, we've got a couple of options here. This is not too bad because we can just body press the Urshifu and go for a Hydro Pump into Incineroar. Now I think you kind of need to, do you protect, do you fake out the pherothone for your Incineroar to go down? I don't know, maybe. There's Insie's not really posing too much of a threat now for pherothone. Not with Flair Blitz with the rain up, at least. At least that's something that we've got on our side. And you'd imagine there's Acci into the back. Now if they've got Sacred Sword, I don't know if we can beat them because obviously in the gates any sort of defensive boosts that we can make use of. Okay. Is Acci gonna come in? Let's save the Urshifu for later on, which makes a lot of sense. If we can snipe, we're not gonna be able to snipe here. Okay, body press, what are we doing? It's the damage like. It's pretty good, it's pretty good. The trick room ender now I think, that's the problem. Oh, we've got one more turn. If you've got one more turn, that helps us out a bunch, yeah. Okay, one more turn. They have to protect or switch Acci in. They have to. But then they could take the opportunity to sub as well. Wouldn't be great. I think we just body press. Cheers down. I don't really wanna leave the Acci in unchecked because if it gets us sub up, that would be terrible for us.  Actually what we could do is go body press into Acci and that checks that. And then we go Hydro Pump into Incineral which would check that. Or whatever comes in for the Inc if we see it. Yeah, they're trying to get the sub up thinking that we're not gonna attack into them. Like I don't really care what the Incineral does here. It can go for a parting shot. But then, yeah, I mean they're lowering our attack but we've got the rain up and the thing is there's your food coming in. Sash is broken. So we might be able to still take it down I think, you know? With the rain boost. Good old Palkier with those goggles on making sure your accuracy's good as it can be. Taking it down. Palkier's just a beast. And yeah, you can see what my opponent's trying to do there but at the same time a very risky player which would have been super rewarding if it paid off.  You'd get your Oshifu onto the field.  Okay, so Incie coming onto the field and we're in a pretty safe position now just to body press and hydro pump and we're gonna be able to close this one up and we can see that the trick reams kind of paid off. A little bit sad though that the Amungas didn't come to this one because the whole reason we've got a third game today is because the second game where we got bodied so hard off on the Amungas, we switched to the safety goggles that we talked about at the start of the video and we don't even see it, but never mind. It's just, it's always the way it happens. Very good game to my opponent. At least we kind of turned things around in that last one. Second game highlighted some flaws with the team. We kind of patched that up. So it's always good to go through this process. I think I hope you found it valuable at least. That's the big thing from us. And without friends, I'm gonna jump over and get us the rental code for today's team. So I'll be right back with the rental of today's team. All right friends, here is the rental for today's team. It has got a little bit of an alteration from the very start, but we went through that in today's episodes. And like I say, I hope you found it useful and beneficial going through that process and changing to the safety goggles. Like going into that second match, I had the third one against the Amungas that was potentially there. We wouldn't have had any issues and it opens the door up for Parker to really just take advantage of the trick room environment when it's got the opportunity to do.  The other option is, of course, throwing something like taunt on Lipod because then you can do the copycat trick room, taunt the Amungas if it makes an appearance. The only issue then is if you lose the Lipod early on and you don't have the taunt to take advantage of and the Amungas comes in a little bit later, you're in that similar situation where the safety goggles give you that protection for the entire time. But I'm going to wrap it up there, friends. Hope you enjoy the team if you tried out. As always, let me know down in the comment section below if you've tried out and you enjoy it or what your thoughts are on today's team. We've had some amazing suggestions recently as well. So a big shout out to all of you that have suggested teams going forward. We've had some from you too. So I'll probably see that next week. Obviously we've got Zamasent coming up as well on the channel and a bunch of other things and we'll be jumping back into doing more streaming as well. So keep an eye out for that as well, friends. So that'll be a lot of fun to hang out with you and play some ladder games and do some other stuff as well. So I'm going to leave it there. Have a great rest of your day. It has been a bit of a longer one today, but hopefully you found it beneficial and it's been worthwhile. So take care of yourselves, friends. Have a great rest of your day and I'll see you all for another episode very soon. Until then, take care and bye-bye.


It's the Kube API server proxy service. So I'm an engineer at Google. My GitHub is Chef Taco. And I'm the SIG Cloud provider TL. I'm also one of the principal contributors on SIG API machinery. My name is Yong Kun. I'm a world's colleague and also working at Google, mainly focused on networking. So Kube API server. We're adding a new proxy service. It's an extensibility point. And the questions we're going to be focusing on for this are, why are we doing? How does it work? How do you use it? What's next? And can you help us? And by the way, spoiler for the last question, yes, you can help us. So the Kube API server, we were adding this network proxy. We also call it connectivity service. And one of the first questions I tend to get is, is this a requirement? And the answer is yes. Follow-on is, of course, why? Why do we need it? So there's a few reasons why we need it. The first one, as SIG Cloud provider TL, nearest and dearest to my heart, is that there should be no preferential cloud providers in Kubernetes. Today, we have eight cloud providers that get to live in the main repo. And no other cloud provider gets that advantage. And that advantage needs to be broken. Unfortunately, we have particular bits of code, specifically having to do with the SSH tunnel, but insert propagation that cannot be removed until we have a replacement. And this is that replacement. Another big thing is the Kube API server should always be able to talk to the cluster it's serving. Now, most of the time, communication is in the other direction. Most of the time, the cluster talks to the Kube API server. But I'll get into details of when the Kube API server needs to talk to the cluster. And if you're thinking a standard easy configuration, what you do on your box, that's pretty easy. It just talks. But there are interesting scenarios, such as hybrid clouds, where it's actually not that easy to have the Kube API server talk to the cluster. And then the last thing on the requirements is there are some interesting vulnerabilities that exist today that we would like to close. So if I look at certain functions of the Kube API server like proxy, it's actually possible to configure the proxy to act as a channel that can then be used for an attack vector against the control plane. So if I know where the traffic is intended to go, it's intended to go to the cluster, and I stick a firewall between the cluster and things that the cluster shouldn't be talking to on the control plane, like the LCD server, then I'm providing a significant increase in the protection that is provided to Kubernetes. So requirements, but do I want it? I mean, we need it, but do I want it? And I'm going to claim that, yes, I actually, in addition to needing this solution, I want this solution, and you should want the solution too. One thing is SSH tunnels. So today, when the Kube API server wants to talk to the cluster, there are two solutions. You either just drop the traffic onto the network and it gets there, or you use this very archaic, unpleasant solution called SSH tunnels, which requires that you run an SSHD demon on your cluster that you generate certs to those. And it's a mess. You don't want to do it. This is a much cleaner solution. It's also an extensibility point. So if I want to be able to do something like talk between the Kube API server and my cluster on a VPN that my particular IT department tells me I need to use, this is a mechanism that will allow me to do that, in which the SSH tunnel solution doesn't have, and there is no other way to do it. With this, we give you the extensibility that would allow you to do that. So I promised to tell you about when the Kube API server wanted to reach out and talk to something else. So the first and primary thing we think of that it wants to talk to on the master is at CD. That's where it stores its data. That's the primary thing it's going to talk to. But also on the API server, also on the control plane, other things the API server needs to talk to, including quite a few things, webhooks, aggregated API servers, et cetera. There are also quite a few things on the cluster that it needs to talk to. And the sharp eye of you will have noted that in fact, there's a couple of duplicates here. We see things like admission webhooks that are both on the master and on the cluster. How do I know which one I want to talk to? It turns out that the configuration of the webhook will tell me whether I should expect that admission webhook to be running in the control plane, i.e. it's the sort of webhook that the cloud provider is putting in, or it's the sort of webhook that the customer is putting in. And this configuration on the CUBE API server will route the traffic appropriately to either the control plane or the data plane for the cluster. So what does that look like? So I've got SCD, I've got the master, I've got the cluster, and I've got traffic. So we see the API server request like CUBE Cuddle Proxy comes into the API server. And the API server has the option of routing that traffic. And I could either just route it the old way like we see between the API server and SCD, where it's just a direct connect to the SCD, or I can choose to route it through a dedicated connectivity proxy. And here we have an example of having one for the master and one for the cluster. And those connectivity proxies know how to get the traffic where it belongs. Thanks, Water. So, sorry. I shouldn't move it, my bad. So let's talk into some of the technical details of how we implement this proxy server. So if you look at the top box, we have a proxy server. And in proxy server, we basically expose two interfaces for the CUBE API server to route the traffic into the cluster network. So one of them is HTTP Connect. The other is GRPC. So for HTTP Connect, it's actually HTTP standard. So just like get, put, and post, it's connected to another HTTP method. So Connect comes with the perimeter IP and port. So if a web server received a connect request from the client, what it does is it does two things. One of them is it just connect to the IP and port as a proxy. And the second thing it does is to upgrade that connection to the TCP. So basically it's a TCP over HTTP proxy. And it's exactly what you want. And the good thing about that is it's, since it's a standard, so most likely you have native support for a lot of different languages. And we don't go that have native support for that. So that's the only thing we care. So that's good for us. And another thing is that it doesn't support UDP down. We're not really care too much about that. So that's basically what we use right now. And for GRPC, it's based on GRPC streaming API. So it's basically a TCP over GRPC. It supports UDP, but it doesn't require a specific client installed on the client side so that it translates your local connection, socket connection, into the GRPC-based implementation. So that's a little bit complex. But it's still there. If you want to use it, you can still use it. And then, of course, both of the interfaces are secured with MTRS. So that means your payload is secured, encrypted. And also, both parties of the client server are correctly authenticated with each other. Now you have that. So the question becomes how the product server know how to route the traffic into the cluster network. So one of the options that we do for SSH tunnel, basically, it just call into the cluster network. But we're not ready to make that assumption that the processor always knows have a routable connection to the cluster network. I know that most cases, it's true, but it's not always true. We don't want to make that assumption. So what we do is, spoiler, so we have this agent to proxy tunnel. If you notice that it's the wrong direction, it's a dialback from agent to the proxy. But if you think about that, it's exactly what Kublai does. What Kublai does is he registers an API server and say, hey, I'm a node. I can schedule workload for you. And it's a similar thing.  And I'm ready to accept the traffic from you. And that's how it works. And also, this is secured by MTRS. It's even more important because we don't know that between the proxy server and agent, it could be an untrustable network. It could be internet. And it must be secured. And we must authenticate as well. We don't want the traffic to be routed to a malicious site. Space. So of course, the agent is responsible for distributing a stream to different endpoints. And also responsible for opening and closing connection to the endpoints, like no port and webhook. So if you look at the full data flow and the dotted red arrows, so the request coming from the HTTP Connect or JRPC interface from the API server, it goes into the proxy server and over the agent to proxy tunnel eventually get to the agent and agent distributed the stream to the endpoints, no endpoints. Yeah, if you zoom in a little bit more, then you'll see the agent to proxy server tunnel. And it's basically also implemented with the JRPC five direction stream API. And yes, it's that. And of course, it's a full duplex connection. What it means that, of course, it's a full duplex. It's a TCP connection. It means that both parties of the both end of the connection can read and write at the same time. Otherwise, it's not TCP. So we have to have that. And also, we need to multiplex over the one tunnel. What it means is that if you have multiple connections in the tunnel, it must be supported. That means that if you have multiple connections over the same tunnel and read and write at the same time, it also works. So how we implement that is that we have this proto buffer defined data structure called packet, a packet that we have two types of packets. One of them is called data packet. It's basically the data you want to transfer over the wire. And also, the control packet is basically where you want to open the connection, close the connection, et cetera. And also, response of that control signal and some of the connection ID, et cetera. And with this implementation, we could have support for a reasonable connection. What it means that if the GRPC stream gets resetted, the connection dead, as long as the agent can connect back to the proxy server, all the connections will be alive. And with S2Tunnel, you can do that if a tunnel is dead and all the connections are reset. And of course, we can support more advanced features. Like if you have multiple agents dial back to the proxy server, all of a sudden, your proxy server have multiple choices, then it becomes a load balancer. And we can implement a different load balancer algorithm to share the load across different agents. And also, we can implement monitoring, auditing. You want to audit a specific user. And also, for example, you don't want to, you want to be fair to all the connections. You don't want one connection to drain all the traffic and all the other connections are not as fair. So of course, all of these are not implemented yet. The project is still in the early stage. So that's why we're here. And we ask your help. If you are new to the community or you're a veteran, you're welcome to join. We have slides that have a lot of links on it. The code is in GitHub, and you're welcome to contribute. And we're ready. I didn't even think I had. Is that better? Come on, come back. Come back. All right. So we've taken a look at this. And one of the distinctions I would like to make here is part of what you're seeing is part of the CAP and part of the definite implementation. And part of it is part of the reference implementation. So if you think back to what Yong Kun was just describing, everything he was describing is part of the reference implementation. And we'll get into it. We have working code. But it is a reference implementation. The reference is there for you to either use or to take and modify as you need it in your cloud. So how do I configure my Kube API server to then do these wonderful things I've been describing? So we have a new flag, the network proxy configuration file flag. And it takes a YAML file. And that YAML file is a connectivity service configuration object. It looks just like a standard resource. It isn't, however, a standard resource. And the reason is that we don't necessarily want to allow customers to modify this at runtime. So this is a object that gets loaded when the Kube API server comes up and is not modifiable, but is otherwise much like other resources we have. And in this example, we'll see that we have three connectivity services configured. We see one that says, I'm a cluster. I'm going to connect via HTTP Connect. I'm going to be connecting via HTTPS on port 8131. And here's all of my credential information. And on the master, I'm actually not going to worry. I'm just going to do direct connect to using TCPIP like normal. So the question would become, hey, what is this configuration that I just described to give us? And hey, if you say this works, where can I find the code? So what it gives us is actually this image we have here. So we see a Kube API server connecting to the cluster connectivity proxy. And we see we have two connectivity agents, one per node, presumably, connecting via gRPC, also to the connectivity proxy. But the Kube API server is actually doing direct reach out to both the SCD and things like the Webhook server. And any requests, as Jung couldn't describe earlier, that the API server makes are going to go through the proxy to the agent and then land in the appropriate place. So that's kind of what I just described. And let me go down just a little bit. So where could I find this code? Before I get into the details here, I will point out that all of these slides are available on the KubeCon site for this talk. So you can download this PDF. And you can find these slides there, this slide there, and get the links from that. So I've got three links up here. The first link is the PR, which I'm trying to merge that actually makes the Kube API server changes that I've described. The second link is the home of the reference implementation. So a lot of mine, and especially Jung couldn't work on getting the proxy server and the proxy agent working, all exists under that. And we'll get later on how you can help us make interesting changes to that code. And the last link is if you want to get much finer grained detail on exactly what is approved, we have the approved cap for this entire feature under that last link. All right. So what do the Kube API server code changes look like? So the first one is that we start out with this idea of a network context. And you want to be able to look, you set a network context, you ask for a lookup on that network context. And what you get is a context-aware dialer. And if we look at the network context, we're going to see that right now all it contains is a connectivity service name. That's presumably going to be either SCD master or cluster, very simple. So why did we worry about having a network context object to hold what amounts to one string or enum? The reason is that we have ideas on how we want to enhance this. I'll get into a lot of options on how this might get enhanced later. But an obvious thing might be that if I want to do a multi-tenant system, I might want to be able to indicate my tenants in the network context and have the lookup provide back the dialer that talks to that tenant's cluster. So that's just one example of how this might work. And then for the concrete usage, whether this is a log call or a webhook call, at the appropriate place, you would set up your contacts saying, hey, I need to talk to the cluster. Do the lookup. You get back your context dialer or an error, hopefully not. And then you're going to do a wrap transport to get back the transport that uses that dialer to actually forward the traffic. All right, so I sort of hinted at possible futures earlier, but there's quite a few possible futures and ways that we can really improve this feature. So the alternate communication, this is an interesting one, because this isn't even an in Kubernetes future. When I talked about extensibility, this is the extensibility future. So it's actually relatively easy if you wanted to go in and replace the GRPC that we have between the proxy server and the proxy agent with something like open VPN or strong swan or wire guard or whatever mechanism it is that you need to use to talk between your master and your cluster. So that's fine. I kind of hinted at the next one, but connectivity service configurations beyond the simple master cluster net CD. So I might want to do connectivity by label. If I know that I have a clusters in multiple zones, I may want to label the zone, and then instead of just going to cluster, I can send the traffic to the right zone. And that's very nice because then I don't get to that zone and then have to route a hop across the Pacific. So that's one very nice use that I can get out of labels to make everything work a little bit faster. I can do connectivity by service. This is the sort of thing I might use for doing multi-tenants. It can also just help me do things like make sure that not only do I land in the right zone, I could even make sure that my traffic lands on the right node. Yeah, as I said, there are several interesting multi-tenant use cases. It's also interesting because other things you might think about, I mean, if I have distributed masters and I know that I want to make a master call to one of the masters in another zone, I could do that by making very smart uses of my time. I can also allow better connections than HTTP Connect from Kube API server to connectivity server. So HTTP Connect had one very nice advantage right now. That advantage is that it is as close to a standard as we could come up with as an open standard for the communication between the Kube API server and the proxy server. GRPC, we tend to like it. It has very nice multiplexing behaviors, nicer than what you get out of HTTP Connect. On the other hand, I can prove to you that the client that we use for HTTP Connect is a standard because Curl will do every bit exactly the same thing. So we can look at exactly how important one is the other. We have a trade-off there. I know Amazon is very interested in this last one. We can allow the Kube API server to not be public. So today, if I have a remote distance between my cluster and my master and the cluster wants to talk to the master, it's got to talk to a public IP address to get to the master. And if it's a public IP address the Kube API server is talking on, that is a potential attack vector. What this can do is once I've set up this tunnel, then nodes and things running on nodes, instead of talking directly to the Kube API server, they can send their traffic through the agent, reversing everything we've shown you so far, have their traffic securely land on the control plane where it will go to the Kube API server. And we can have special logic in the agent to make sure that that traffic is only destined for the Kube API server. So this is another example of the sort of things that this feature buys us. All right. So I'm hoping there are a few folks here who've been convinced this is an interesting problem and that they'd like to contribute. So how can you get contribute? So Young Kun and I, being members of API Machinery Network and Cloud Provider, will of course be suggesting that a great six to work in our API Machinery Networking and Cloud Provider. There are home SIGs. We all do interesting work, and I highly recommend them, especially if you're interested in this sort of problem. I'm also going to say that the API server network proxy is a special project that Young Kun and I are the main maintainers of under Kubernetes SIGs. It's a small project. It's a much less intimidating code base than the main Kubernetes one. And you're going to get a lot more attention if you want to get started there. You're also welcome to help contribute on the main one, but I will tell you that that's a much smaller code base, and it's a smaller community, which means you'll get more attention, and we would love to have you there. Yeah, I know it's a very long day, and it's the last session. And none of you really want to be here. So yeah, I want to add that the contribution is not just limited to a full request. It could be a bug report, feature request, and some use cases, discussion, and it's all welcome. And yeah, that's it. So now would be the standard time for questions and answers. So any questions? Cool. Well, thank you all very much for coming, and I hope you found this useful. And we'll be here if you want to talk private. We'll be here.


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Hello, and welcome back to another Ortitine livestream. How are you guys doing today? Not doing too bad. If you haven't been to one of these livestreams before, basically it's just an opportunity to jump on, chat a little bit about autism, bit about recent news, things like that. Hi, Elvie. So yeah, questions are very much the key element in here. So if you want to send me a comment or you want to ask me a question using that little question speech bubble thing, then that would be the best thing to do. Hi, Austin. Welcome back. How are you doing, man? I saw your video of you doing your incline press. Very impressive. Hey, Baird Nerd. Hello, Mina. Jumping straight in for a question there, real estatey. What is the meaning of life, eh? Just whatever you make it. Hi, Rania. Thanks for joining the stream. Forest Fairey says that, hi, I'm burnt out. I'm sorry that you are burnt out at the moment. There's been a lot going on at the moment. Hello, MP, MLO. How you doing? Mom's odd child. Very nice name. You're still not strong enough, Austin. I'd say that you're pretty, you're doing pretty well for yourself. What's your bench press like? That's something that gym people ask, isn't it? So, yeah, it's been a bit of a strange week, as usual for me. I've got a really, really cool podcast that's going to be coming out this weekend, no, Monday. I'm actually going to be talking to my mom on the podcast, and we're going to be talking about basically my life from her perspective. We're going to, I think after we finish this livestream, we're going to record, so I'm looking forward to it. It should be really cool. Like, I get a lot of questions from my parents asking, like, at what age did you start speaking? What were your experiences like when you were younger? And I usually don't have a lot to say about that, because I can't really remember. But we're going to do that podcast. It's going to be really great, probably. Very emotional podcast, so if you're looking forward to that, go check it out on Spotify. Give it a follow. You'll be updated when that comes out. Wow, 180 kilos, Austin. That is mad. No, I cannot touch that, mate. Hi, Appten. How are you doing? Hi, Gabrielle. Forest Fairy says, yes, I have my bachelor's presentation on Monday and struggle with executive functioning. How do you handle stressy times? I think it's really important to be easy on yourself. Like, I would really highlight that a really great way of doing well at your presentation is just about managing your mutes, taking breaks, making sure that you're not going so hard into the research and the practicing at a point where you're bent out when it comes to the actual presentation. I know that when I was at uni, I find them not too bad, but I had a lot of experience with them. I think I didn't, to be honest, if I'm honest, I didn't really handle it very well when I was at university. But I'd say that getting some exercising before making sure you get some sleep and not fretting too much about the specifics of remembering every single thing. It's best to put your well-being first. I'm not too bad. Thanks, Rania. It's been a bit of a strange week, as I said. Things are starting to become a little bit more consistent and leveled out. So yeah, that 180 kilo bench is crazy. Hello, Emelio. I'm good, just came out of a meltdown, so recovery is great. Yeah, I'm sorry that you had that experience. She also said that my mom called me in my native language and she did so with endless love. My superpower at age, I've seen 43. Yeah, moms can be amazing. It's really good to have support network and stuff. You were four above all you spoke? I have no idea. Quackfax says, does the autism card allow me to say words I otherwise couldn't? I probably still stick to not using inflammatory language just as a baseline because, I don't know, we're living in a time where it's not. You need to be a bit careful about what language you use. I don't use difficult language. Hi, Ellie. Thank you for joining, Eli. Thank you for joining. Here were some of your heroes. That's a really good question. I actually, to be honest, because growing up autistic, I didn't really identify with anybody, any celebrities or role models in the mainstream. So I've always, I never really had anyone that I could look up to in that sense, though with some Taekwondo fighters that I idolized and I got to meet them and stuff when I was competing. But I didn't really have any in-person heroes.  They were a big sort of a condition for me, especially, like, I think there was a narrative character called, like, Rock Lee. It was all about, like, discipline and hard work. And he just had such, like, a good mentality on life. And I found that really inspiring for me. Forest Fairy says, thank you. I'm doing my best. Tuck the afternoon off and I'm gauging my special interest, doing a Taylor Swift song-sorter, but still feeling guilty. Now, I understand the guilt, and I think it's something that, you know, I experience when I try to relax and do something that's not productive, but sometimes rest is productive. It is. Iranian, when I do these streams, I have, like, an Instagram stream going at the same time as me, YouTube. That's why. Yeah, presentations are easier if you can be calm about it, not over-thinking it, totally. Cold showers help you, but not everyone's into that. I went, yeah, cold showers aren't my favorite. I've done them before, but I don't know. I've looked into some of the research behind it. It helps some people, but not in my case. I like a warm shower. Oh, my God. Yeah, your bend press is crazy, Austin. You should be really proud about that. I think the max that I've ever done is, like, 120 for, like, three. Don't feel guilty for us, fairy fey. Breaks are important, totally rum-ripple. Rich Collins says, just want to say that your kind of awareness on this is kind of the light. I've been desperately, desperate to find for so long. I reach out to say thank you on Instagram DM and just try and say thank you. Oh, yeah, I'll try and get on that, Rich. I really appreciate that you found my way to be valuable. It's, yeah, I think it's definitely the biggest thing for me when I was younger. It's like finding someone who was talking about the issues that I was going through. So when I was younger, I kind of set a goal for myself that I wanted to be, like, the person that I wanted to have when I was younger. And, you know, thankfully, you know, you've got loads of other advocates within the community who are doing some really awesome stuff for autistic people, talking about different issues that perhaps even I don't talk about. So really great. By the way, Instagrammers, do you like the audio quality? Because I have recently got this, like, budget lapel mic because I noticed that with my Instagram lies, my audio is a bit weird over on the iPhone. So I've got these, like, wireless lapel mics. It's got, like, attaches into the bottom of the phone. Let me know if the quality is better or not. Hey, Joshua. Thanks for coming on. Rellis Katie, another good question. You are my question person for the stream today. How have your feelings about being autistic changed over time? That is a very good question. Because I think for a lot of people who are just getting into understanding more about autism, unmasking, things like that, I think there's a bit of, like, a distance with how they feel about autism, you know, they're surrounded by people telling them that it's a bad thing and they have to correct their behaviors. So, and you also get a lot of bad experiences, particularly in school. So for me, you know, for a long time, I felt like, you know, I hated it. Like, it was something that I, a part of myself that I wished I could remove, you know. I think when I got into my late teens, early 20s, it was kind of a bit of a revelation when I kind of reframed my view on the world and sort of looked into more about what other autistic people have experienced and have thought some different things. So it was, it gradually changed into me learning to, I guess, like myself. It started off with me becoming more neutral. And I think over time, it's become a lot more positive. You know, I see a lot of the positive aspects of being autistic in myself and also in the people around me, especially like going through the podcasting journey of, you know, I'm coming up on about 60 episodes. So it's definitely been really useful to hear people's like different perspectives on life, on how they view autism. And I think that's one thing that I think's hard about new people entering the community because it can sometimes feel like there's a bit of a disconnect. That's when you have people like me talking about all the positive things about it. It's like, you know, sometimes it's good to have a more balanced view on it because it allows other people to, I guess, relate to it a little bit more. I'd say that that was kind of my journey with autism and, you know, as I said, nowadays, I have a lot more of a positive regard for being autistic and I actually think that it's something that society should really take on board. Austin says, I struggle with a lot of self-worth issues and literally beating myself up but I've got better at being more neutral. That's good and that's the thing. It's a very slow process and I think a lot of the really valuable things that I did when I started to learn about autism is that I look back on different experiences that I've had in my life with a bit more of a kind view towards myself and a lot of those situations that kind of have stayed with me since school, those things that I've done, some things that I've said that just didn't really sit right with other people, those situations that weren't perhaps palatable from either side, I kind of, you know, I processed them a lot more and I saw it for what it was, you know, I made a recent reel about autism and confidence and I think that that's really important because I think we can carry with us a lot of negative experiences and kind of unknowingly or consciously just, you know, beating ourselves up for things that have happened and letting that hold us back from forming more positive, good relationships with people. It was only when I started to come out of my shell a bit more and I guess feel more confident in myself and make friends who, you know, liked me for me and loved me for me that I started to say like, hey actually, you know, maybe these standards that I'm setting for myself, these very heartless mentalities towards myself are probably not the best and probably not even true, like in the wider sense. I mean, there's obviously issues that come up with that, you know, you get a lot of issues around like make crime, a lot of autistic people being like manipulated and taking advantage of. So it's definitely worth being aware of that and setting boundaries, but that was a really important step for me, especially like going off to Thailand, being exposed to group situations that I wouldn't have never experienced sort of my day-to-day life. That was a really changing thing for me because I felt part of the group and I felt like, you know, I could be myself and it was really great for me, but it is a long process, definitely. Remember, stay hydrated, totally. Remaise says, raising autistic sons and life's a rollercoaster ride, sending love, good. Oh, you like the audio moonlight, good, I'm glad. I need to get a bit more of a stable, like, stable, what'd you say, tripod. So every time I go to touch the screen, it kind of wobbles. Rani says, recently I saw a post on Facebook group about how some famous autistic people do more harm than good in the autism communities. I don't want to name anyone in particular, but what's your opinion? I think, yeah, I think that the thing is, is that, you know, autism isn't tied to morality. You can be a good person and be autistic or you can be a nasty person and be autistic. It's not necessarily one in the same. And I think that that's something that it initially started out as all autistic people are unempathetic and they don't have good morals and they're these demon-childs. And I think it's more shifted nowadays in terms of online stuff to, like, overly positive. Like, every autistic person is honest. They want to, you know, do all these good things and then they can never be selfish and they, you know, there are these gems of human beings, but it's the same in neurotypicals. And I think it's really important to normalise, I guess, the fact that we're humans and, you know, when you have a mix of different humans, some of them are gonna have good intentions towards others and some of them are not. Yeah, a lot to do with, like, infantilisation, you know, wherever these demons that can't be controlled or these angels, I think it's that the reality likely lies somewhere in the middle. But I think in terms of the empathy front, just from my experience, autistic people that I've met, they tend to be a lot more empathic about perhaps individuals who've been ostracised from groups, individuals that might be a bit different that people might find weird and most people would ignore them. But we kind of, we don't tend in my experience to ostracise them as well. We tend to be more sort of having a neutral regard for pretty much everyone that we meet up until they do something that makes us feel good about them or makes us feel bad. I think it's really important that that aspect of, that human aspect of being autistic because it's not as clear-cut all the time. You know, it's a balance. We gotta view them as not unempathic because that's, you know, wrong science. But we've also gotta realise that, you know, we're humans and it's good and bad humans.  I'm loving the hydration reminders. It's true though. It's like with a podcast that I do, like, there's so much lip-smacking in the podcast but from my side and other people. So I just have to be, like, really on top of my hydration before those. I should really be more in general, fill up like a really big water bottle or something to drink it for the day. That seems to work. But rejection-sensitive dysphoria, you know, it's definitely something that I think is more likely to happen with autistic people because if you imagine the, if you just look at, like, the negative life statistics that I said both, you know, are present both in stats and also from autistic people's experiences, bullying, isolation, difficulties with work, things of that nature. It's all gonna contribute to mental health and it's also gonna give us sort of a bit more of a darker perception on life because of the experiences that we have.  It definitely did with me. Yeah, like, it's fine, it's frustrating as well, totally. You find a lot of autistic content in fantasizing. What type of content do you mean from, like, autistic people talking about it or do you mean, like, in the, like, from organizations and stuff, like mainstream? Another great question from Joshua. I appreciate this a lot. Have you ever faced a shutdown? Yeah, a lot. It happens. I did a post about, like, trigger stacking. I didn't get as much traction as my other posts but I think it was a really valuable sort of concept. It's kind of talking about, like, the stacking of cortisol throughout the day that kind of, it's not like this stressy stress hormone. It's involved in sort of waking sleep cycles, things like that, but it's also sort of released when you're in a stressful situation. And the weird thing about it is that it doesn't just release and then die down really quickly. It actually takes, like, quite a long time for it to clear out of your system. And so if you experience lots of different stressors throughout the day, there can be some really small thing that happens that just kind of tips you over the edge that usually wouldn't. And you can have a meltdown, you can have a shutdown. I tend to shut down a lot. Sometimes I'll have a meltdown when I feel like it. I'm joking, by the way. No, it does happen. It does happen. It's just one of those things, you know. It's usually a cue for me. It's not incredibly stressful unless I've got someone pressuring me to speak to them or do stuff. But, you know, it happens. There's my first one last year. It was completely out of the blue and it was quite a shock. Yeah, it can be sometimes. I was diagnosed at 10 for a spheri. I had my second diagnosis as in I saw it for more than just social and sensory stuff in my early 20s, late teens. So, yeah, I was diagnosed at 10, but I think a lot of people, when we think about early diagnosis, like, I know that it's important to know that someone's autistic to get, like, the legal, educational things of that nature. But the thing is that depending on where you live, it's not always enforced and it can often be detrimental in a lot of cases to our well-being. So, it's not always a good thing. But, you know, there's pros and cons, I guess, depending on where you are, what kind of supports you have available, who is supporting you. Sometimes both, you're an exception, obviously. Thank you. Yeah, I think sometimes content can be infantilizing from either side. I think it's, you know, the best people that I come across, they always hold humanity to quite high regard with any content that they do. Like, they don't overly generalize about people's capabilities or people's traits or, you know, it's obviously hard to not generalize when you're talking about groups.  Those tend to be the people that I really value. Because it's realistic, you know, it's not all good, it's not all bad. Any tips on how to unmask? Yeah, first step, go through your life, learn about autism and try and process those negative experiences. I'd say that that's probably the first place to go. Learn a bit more about yourself, identify things that have happened or that happened in your life in the present and look back at experiences where you had a negative regard for yourself and try and reprocess those memories. Those are really good things. Also, if you are enjoying the streams or you've come to one of the live streams before, if you want to support me, I do have badges on Instagram. I also have memberships on YouTube and if you're enjoying it on YouTube, give it a like. It really does help me. I'm trying to grow the old podcast at the moment, so it does help. You've been diagnosed at two weeks? Wow, two weeks ago. Yeah, there's a big imposter syndrome phase in that. It can be sometimes quite tough. Because you already have these, I guess, these stigmas or assumptions about what autism is and you have to kind of challenge those by doing a lot of research. Thank you, Austin. I really appreciate it, man. So it's, what was I saying? Imposter syndrome. It's something that even I experience sometimes. It's not always the easiest thing. I think a lot of it, for some people that I've talked to, some of my family members who have sort of had a diagnosis but not really, I guess, process much of it and learn more about it from the autistic experience angles. I think sometimes they can feel a little bit like they're like stealing the label or stealing the supports from people, which I think is a really sort of negative view to have with yourself because everyone's needs and everyone's traits are so different. I think sometimes it's just worth, it doesn't always have to be this as big of a thing as it appears. Trying to know if you're autistic or not. You just got to read more. You got to think about it. You got to process any stigmas or stereotypical views of autism that you have and really just try to get a good representation, talk to other autistic people, things of that nature. I think it's really important to get that experiential angle of things, not just the medical research papers and stuff because those stuff, they tend to be very far behind like the stuff that the community talk about, which is difficult if you don't have access to social media and you're not involved in the communities like a lot of people are and they don't really have those aspects to understand a bit more about the autistic experience. Thanks for the gifting, by the way. I appreciate it, Alston. Welcome to the membership channel a bit. How was your autism awareness month? I think it was April for us in the UK. It's not always the most fun time. It tends to be a bit annoying sometimes. I'm not going to lie. I don't like to see organizations running campaigns, although it is about autism, it's not always, it kind of drowns out a lot of the autistic people who are speaking on things. Ideally, what they would be doing is consulting with people from the autistic communities and I guess using that as more of a co-produced campaigns and stuff, but I think even then some organizations, they're just so detached from the adult communities that it can just be a really difficult time. Do you think it's better for autistic people to have friends who are also autistic? I think it's good to have a mix. I have neurotypical friends, I have ADHD friends, I have autistic friends. I think sometimes it's good to talk to other autistic people about autism-related things because there tends to be a little bit less need to educate them or help them understand the autistic experience. It's kind of just a bit more easy going when you're communicating with an autistic person. You both understand the things that you don't like in social interaction and also you kind of have a bit more of an understanding of the issues and the struggles of some of the more quicky, strange aspects to the autistic experience.  Welcome to the membership. Rich says, I have to pop off, Thomas. Thank you again for helping me come to terms with myself. Hope to connect again soon. Thank you very much, Rich. Appreciate it. You're very honest to the point where some people I know hate it, yeah, sometimes. How's your eye contact? I don't make as much as most neurotypicals, but I do make some now and again. When I'm with people I know very well, I tend not to make hardly any, just because I think for some people if they don't know that I'm autistic or they don't know much about autism, it kind of cuts off conversations quite quickly because they get a bit weird about the fact that you're not making as much eye contact. I don't think it's something that we should be doing. It's such a silly social rule. People draw some really crazy, what would you say, conclusions from interactions where you're not making eye contact. I think I saw some research about the psychology of it. People who don't make as much eye contact, they can be seen as being more shifty or aloof for all of these bad assumptions that mean nothing just based on whether or not you lock eyes with somebody. It's a bit insane. I kind of understand that to a certain degree. RSD has hit you hard recently, yeah, it's tough. I realize that I'm very behind on the chat, so apologies for this, guys. Janey says, hi Tom, sorry I'm late. No worries, I am good. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate your compliment on my stuff. I'm going to bring back the pointing videos that I do because I've realized that I've actually the pointing videos tend to do a bit better than the ones of me speaking, which I think it's mostly because of the quality of the stuff that I do on there. I try to do more casual reels about things like that, but I think the pointing ones are definitely a bit better because I can kind of think a little bit more and put a lot more information into a shorter amount of video. I'm not the best with short-form content. I've made some new pointing reels, so I've got my fresh face. I spent a little bit of time this week chopping up the videos and getting them ready to put some text on. Raila Skater says I'm 39, and I like people thinking I'm much younger. I also have a bunch of plushies, and I'm very cute, to be honest. Very cool. I love plushies. Actually, to be honest, my favorite plushie, well, I've got a few. I've got like three, but one of my favorite plushies is my tardigrad. It's a water bear. It's like these microscopic creatures. I got it, like, I think I got it at like a Dutch museum, microbiology museum. But it's, um, it's really cool. It's called Felicia. I don't know why you named it that, but... Yeah, it's from the beer, beer, deer, tige, water... Artists' Micropia Museum. It's a really cool place. I've also got some, like, satanic plushies because I'm into Mike Goffey stuff, but I don't tend to pull them out as much because I know sometimes people can be a bit weird about that. Taking things away from actually autistic people totally. Nothing about us, without us, totally. Autism awareness is also ableist and, like, pinkwashing. Yeah. Headwig, how are you doing? Just being your friends. Eye contact is not always needed to keep communication more honest and open. Totally, you know. I'd agree with that. Do the shirtless ones do best. Yo, um, maybe. I don't know. It depends. I don't think so, actually. You know, I think the pointy ones are definitely ones that work. I think it's mostly because, you know, I like doing my, showing my, like, every reel that I make each week, which are, like, the shirtless ones, it's basically like an update on, like, my progress with, like, bodybuilding and stuff. And I just tried to make it a bit more autism-y. Talk about autistic things. I think, um, I think this is unbeatable because I don't really know anyone within the autistic community who does that kind of thing. Like, um, sort of, you know, some of the creators on Instagram. So I think it's, sometimes we can perhaps think it's something else, like it's just, like, a gym, one of those fitness gym videos, but who knows. You turn 34 tomorrow. Congratulations. Wait, are you doing anything fun? Perhaps going for an extra long gym session. Uh, Jeff asks, do the videos have to be in short format? If you miss any other words, you can't rewind it, and you have to re-watch the whole thing over and over again. Yeah, that's true. Um, I don't know. I think shorts are being phased out a lot on Instagram, particularly. I know that YouTube shorts is quite popular, like, for growing channels. That's why I've been doing them quite a lot. Um, I think, but I think for Instagram, they're trying to push posts a lot more because the advertisements that they can put on, um, Instagram reels, they don't do as well as, like, post-based advertisements, like, and you feed. I think that's one of the reasons why. Yeah, it's a girl. Yeah, yeah, the museum. I can't remember. I think it was, um, I think it was around Amsterdam, to be honest. Uh, prep school hippie, love the name. Shaking hands makes me feel physically ill and nauseous. I had to go to a birthday party the other day, two people just came at me and said, can we sit here extending their hands? And that immediately left.  It doesn't cause me any stress, but I just find it funny sometimes with guys, like when they stab, like a really firm handshake in the light. Yeah. So I, I, when people do that, I just tend to go like really floppy with my hand cause I just, and I just laugh it off cause it's just, I just find it really funny.  Oh, you're doing some gym. Nice. If you've got like a, which, which, what are you doing at the gym? Could only have you cats hiding from people. Angela says, I'm dating an autistic man and I'm very happy with him. I feel so safe with him. And we can talk for hours. I noticed he makes more eye contact than me. I get very shy when I make eye contact. Yeah. Well, to be honest, I don't think it's something that, I think a lot, most people they have some level of issue with eye contact, especially if they have like anxiety. So I don't think it's something that, I think it's something that autistic people tend to find harder, but I don't, you know, the same, the same vein as that, you know, some autistic people, they have very, very intense eye contact. You know, especially like, perhaps more of like the older generation, like I'm just thinking of my granddad, constant prolonged eye contact. I think that's something. Jaws and arms. Nice. Ooh. Yeah. I've started a new program too. Going to be doing five days a week instead of six, which I'm not too happy about, but you know, I'm struggling to manage like, organization of going to the gym. It's less about like the fatigue that I feel it's just, it's not always the easiest to fit stuff in. It just gives me a bit more, bit more, I don't know, bit more leeway, you know, I, you know, if I need to take a, take a day off, I don't have to have it as like my day off as of the week. It can be like one of two. So it just, it just reduces the pressure on me a little bit, but I have been replacing it with like a giant workout that I do on the weekend. And I'm not going to lie. I pretty enjoy it. I enjoy it. It's like two hours and a half that I go. It's crazy, but I love it. Recovery might be better. That's true. I do, I have released my reps down from like 10 to 15 to like five to eight. So I just find it works better. I can, I can recover a lot better between doing sets. I think it's because of my like athletic stuff that I used to do. You know, I'm very fast twitch muscle fibers. So perhaps doing the more endurancey stuff is not, not, not the best. Rather skatey asks, how does bodybuilding influence what you eat? It definitely discourages me from over eating. Like I, I, I, I put a lot of weight during COVID and I, I take a medication called metazapine, which is a set. It's like a sedative and it helps me with sleep helps with my anxiety. And also the reason, well, the reason why I kept in sort of my medication is because it really, it really helps me offset some of the high anxiety that I feel on SSRIs. But one of the downsides of it is that, it's an appetite stimulant. And if, if you guys know, know me, I used to have having to have an ED, you know, as bulimic. So it was, you know, as I got older, kind of morphed a little bit into binging and then the metazapine just kind of kicked it in overdrive. So I, I tried very much as much as I can to get a lot of protein in just because it's more satiating. But it, you know, it's, I think as well, you know, I tried to find options where I can get a lot of protein in just from, just from like snacks and stuff that I choose, where it's like protein flapjacks or these like yogurt, chocolate yogurt pots. Those work really well. I'm definitely not 100% with a diet, but I have found some things that, that I can make that aren't too taxing for my executive function, like protein pancakes. I can just eat up or I'm really big fan of overnight oats at the moment, put in a bit of protein powder. It's good. Thank you very much. I'm trying. I have lost, I've lost a good amount. I think I'm into a good healthy, healthy rain, healthy weight now at the moment. So my cardio is pretty good. I don't get tired from walking. It's really funny because I used to be like, well, it's not funny, but I used to be very severely underweight, especially when I was competing. So I think that's something that I think some people experience sort of going into adult life, you know, you get a bit more comfortable, you know, as bothered about what people think of you as much.  It kind of goes off the rails sometimes. But also I think, I think as well, you know, for me, it's not about looking good. It's about progressing in a sport in my eyes. I mean, I don't know. Would you consider bodybuilding a sport? I suppose it is. But now I've always, throughout my life, always had like a few elements to what I did. It is. It is. Yeah, there's always been like a few elements. There's been like my online work, social media, whatever, podcast, YouTube. So that's kind of like the speaking element of stuff that I like to do. And then I have the more academic side of things, which I was really into when I was younger. You know, I went to uni and I did Biomed. So that was another part and then the sport side. So it used to be Taekwondo. It was first it was swimming and it was Taekwondo. Now I had a bit of an injury kind of phased out of it a little bit. So I'm just sticking to something that I can just do on the regular and, you know, I don't have to worry about being at practice for a certain amount of time. At a certain time, I can just kind of go whenever I need to. And it mostly just maintains my mental health, to be honest. That's a really big thing. It's so good like for light longevity and mental health and all of that. There's been research that actually indicates recovery can be better with lower reps. Yeah, I've definitely felt that, especially with like compound exercises. John says, hello, my name's John. I was diagnosed with ASD, 35 years old. You don't know me, but I'm very proud of you. Oh, thank you very much, John. I'm glad that you popped in to say hello. It's really lovely to say. It's going well. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I know that I've been producing content for like a long time. A long time. Like there's some videos of me. If you want to have a laugh, go and watch my channel introduction video. Like my, I think it was the one of the first videos that I made on YouTube. My like demeanor, my speaking voice, all of that stuff. It's so much different to how I am now. It's just, it's really, really quite strange to look back on some of the content that I used to make. I was quite surprised about how well I spoke, but it was very sort of robotic with how I delivered stuff. It's quite interesting. Hedwig says, I am taught the hard way to make eye contact and the timing was off too. So people feel felt very intimidating, intimidated, because I didn't get to the right, get the right timing. So no, I don't bother anymore. It's probably a good thing. You don't want to be like socializing is hard enough, like thinking about what to say to like people that you've just met. You don't need to think about, oh, I'm making the right ratio of eye contact. It can be something that if you want to work on it, you can. I wouldn't say that, you know, if it's not too hard for you and you feel like it would benefit you perhaps in an employment setting. Or just just when you first meet people, it could be something that you could try.  Some people can make some judgments about as if we don't. And I think that's wrong.  But at the same time, if you're in situations where you need to perform, do well at work, sometimes some people can be really critical of very tiny minute details. Not saying that that means that we have to pick up the slack, but I think for some people it, you know, it can, you know, impact success in life. You know, you have a lot, you have a lot of people who just get by through the workplace just by being charismatic and, you know, talky and perhaps a bit more assertive. And that's not right. And they get to positions where, you know, they appear to be good at their job, but also just don't really have the knowledge that perhaps other people who, you know, like autistic people who really know their stuff and can do a really good job. So that's kind of the negative side of it. I wish it would be something that organizations would be a bit more aware of that kind of bias that they have about very small, minute social things. But it's going to take time. And now to make changes to that. You gave it a quick look. You're speaking in confidence and to increase a lot. Yeah. It also took me like two hours to make that video. Took me ages. I scripted it as well. I don't script any of my stuff anymore. It's definitely been something that I've worked on that speaking side of things. I used to be very shy. Hardly used to talk at all.  It's not something that I say everyone should do, but, you know, it's helped me out a bit in life. Just do, I guess, work with what I've got a bit more. Possibly. I always look down and people think I'm eyeing their bodies. It's so embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah, that's happened to me sometimes, like a couple of times. John says that I joined the military and did that for 12 years. And you would be surprised on how many are on the spectrum. That's really interesting. Because I have a friend who tried to join the military, but they couldn't do it because they had an autism diagnosis. Are they like undiagnosed individuals? So I imagine that the noise and people shouting at you and the social, the hard sort of social. Yeah, the hard sort of social arena is going to be quite hard. Well, thank you for joining Austin. I hope you have a good day too. I appreciate the gifted sub and all that. Really appreciate it. AGDNN77 says, I noticed when I have certain foods with traces of ingredients on that I don't like, I get very picky and don't know if it's the autism sensory thing. It could be. I think you didn't know until you got out. That's interesting. This sensory stuff. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, most of my difficulties with food tended to come from textures, like not necessarily about the flavours. Some flavours I just couldn't get into it. I think that that could be a thing. I think some people, very small changes to food can be very difficult to manage on the long term. Could be a thing. The interesting thing about food and textures and flavours and stuff is that I used to have a very limited palette. I used to be very used to go for the same foods over and over again. It's never been something that I've been forced to do by parents or teachers or anything like that to expand my palette and my taste. But when I went to uni, I had this idea because I was thinking about how the mechanisms of disgust work. Disgust is a feeling that you get to avoid illness, to avoid things. When you're exposed to things that you find disgusting, sometimes your brain realises that it's not as harmful to you as you think it is. So I used to hate mushrooms, couldn't stand them. I'd gag if I ate them. But then I tried eating them now and again, kept trying them. Now it's one of my favourite foods. But equally, tomatoes absolutely hate them. Try them now and again, still hate them. I think it was the texture of it, especially cherry tomatoes. I can do cooked tomatoes, but not the cherry ones. Hello XD Jammy64, how are you doing? Angela says, my son, my autistic son is always very loud with talking and can talk forever, but he hates when I make loud noises. Yeah, that's more akin to sensory defensiveness. Have you heard of that before? Tomato. Tomato. I don't know, is there like a dialect difference between countries? I imagine it will be, like America to the UK. Tomato, tomato, all that kind of thing. Rania says, when I can't look at people's eyes, they think I don't respect them, especially my teachers at university. That's another thing, yeah, with parents and stuff, that can be something that happens. I find that very depressing sometimes. Because for us, it's better, well for me, if I'm really intensely listening to someone, like I'm really wanting to understand, the first thing that I do is look away into the distance, trying to really focus in on what that person is saying. The last thing that I do is want to make more eye contact, because it just distracts me. If I'm trying to understand what someone is saying, I look to the side, which as you said, sometimes people can say that you're not listening or you're trying to ignore them. So it's interesting that. Hedwig says, of course, the military gives straight answers and short assignments, short to point communication hierarchies clear. Didn't think about that. That's interesting. Have you experienced that, John? That's sort of more routine based stuff, yeah, it's interesting. But I was talking about sensory defensiveness, Angela. Well, sensory defensiveness is an element of someone's sensory system. I've just broken my fidget, my finger, rolly thing.  Yeah, sensory defensiveness, it's a lot about control. So like the best way I can describe it is we'll probably be OK if we are listening to music that we can turn up and control and put to a right volume. But as soon as there's music in places that we don't want it, and it's too loud or it's, you know, there's lots of different noises that we can't control. That can be a lot harder for us.  They perhaps might want the lights turned off most of the time, but they really enjoy being able to control whether light's on or off. That's something that some people experience. And I think in adulthood, for me, it's more akin to like hugs. Hugs is a great example of sensory defensiveness. I love hugs. What I don't love is if people come up to me and touch me without asking or just out of the blue, you know, people put their hand on my shoulder. Not too great. Doesn't make me feel very good. And also with hugs, if people just run at me and give me a hug, it's a bit harder. But if they say, do you want a hug? And I'll be like, yeah, sure. But there's an element of control in that and being able to prepare yourself for it. If you imagine strong stimulation like an ice bath or something, or a cold shower, jump in the cold shower. You have control over that. You can slowly put yourself into it and slowly turn down the heat as opposed to if someone will like push you into an icy bath. It's different. You're not prepared for it. You don't have the control over it. It might be a strong stimulation. You might even enjoy it. But because you don't have that, you're not prepared for it. It can be another element that can make it really difficult without those sensory things. Love in all the hearts. Thank you. Mark says, I have a disgust reaction to my mother. Now she's spending so long misunderstanding, criticizing and rejecting. I can get that. It's hard when you kind of, you're trying to become more like positive and stuff.  And you come back and talk to them. And they're just so negative. It's like, it's a lot. You're welcome, Angela. But Jeff said, no, it's not Jeff. Is it Jeff? Oh my God. Jeff says, yes, when I remember what someone's saying, I look away from them. This is upset people in the past. Yeah. John says, yes, you know the 24 to 48 hour ahead. If anything changes, they will tell you to expect change so you're not in the dark. That's interesting. I've been married for 15 years and my wife can't touch. It's so depressing. What do you mean? Jeff says, how about the person who shakes your hand and puts the other hand on your elbow? Yeah, screw those people. I ate those people. Once he tried to do some kind of weird dominance display with handshake. Oh my God. It makes me laugh though. I find that stuff really funny. What do you tell people when they ask why you struggled by contact? I've been confronted on this topic. I just tell them I'm autistic and I just find it painful. Just try to not. I don't try to be very serious when I talk to people about it. I just kind of talk about it plainly. I'm like, you know, I just don't like it as much. It doesn't mean that I don't. I'm not interested or I'm not paying attention. It's just, it actually stops me from being able to concentrate on what you're telling me as much. I think it's a lot about the way that you say it. So I think some people can be quite like aggressive and like assume that the person has a bad intention, even if they don't understand. So I just try to come from that angle of like, they don't really know much about it. It's a bit annoying, but you know, here you go. Here's a bit of tidbit on me as a person. Thank you for applying. You know, no worries. No worries. I'm going to try and wrap up soon. I'm going to answer some of the last questions. Angela says, I find it hard that my son gets bullied because he's autistic. It breaks my heart. It breaks my heart too. It's something that really needs to be changed. Amit Nita says, I never encountered any sensory overload. Maybe I don't like a lot of brightness on my laptop at night. So I just have to just stay a little bit because it gives me a headache. Yeah, that could be another thing. No, I have, I like to use the, what do you say, the brightness settings on things. Make the light more warm. That's good. Yeah. Sunrise in Galaxy Light. Oh, I love those. Would you ever go skydiving? Totally. I really want to. I actually was thinking of doing like a charity thing around it, but I realized that it probably might not be a good idea because I had my surgery. So I've put it off for a while, but we're going to do it at some point.  Russ says, yes, monotone doesn't help with explaining the autistic tics. No, sometimes. I don't think it's more about monotone.  It's like, I just find eye contact hard. It's not, not a big deal kind of thing. You have over 200 jumps. Oh my God. Got a veteran skydiver in the chat. Crazy. Well, guys, I've really appreciated you look coming on to support my live stream. I hope you've enjoyed it. If you have, make sure to check out some of my stuff, my podcast. If you're on YouTube, go check out my Instagram. And also, if you, if you want to talk to me about anything you want to ask me questions, I do have a like a one to one consultancy service that I do. It's, it's, it's kind of like coaching, but it's just, it's not coaching in it officially. I do like one hour chats with, with people. So if you want to do that, you can find it in my link tree. Whether you're on YouTube or not, it's, it's all in my links. But yeah, I hope you've enjoyed the stream. I'm going to wrap up now if I can just remove my ring light. Got a new ring light. Been really helpful. I've been buying some different tech and stuff. So it's been good. Anyway, see you later guys on Insta. I will see you later. And you guys on YouTube. Thank you so much for coming and chatting to me. It's always really lovely and hope you guys have a good day. See you later.