Hey everyone, I'm Bianca Renee and you're watching Bianca Renee today and today is Washday well not for my hair this time. I think you guys have seen me in the shower enough this month But it's wash day for all of my makeup brushes now. I have a confession for you guys.  Don't do that wash your brushes at least once a week So these brushes are filthy dirty like they probably have some type of disease on them But for once I am actually excited to wash them because I have something new for you guys to try the new Sigma spa express brush cleaning mat I've seen so many YouTube videos on girls cleaning their brushes with this mat and after I saw it I really wanted one so I contacted them and they sent me one so today I'm going to do an unboxing tutorial demonstration review of this mat So let's get started. I'm going to take it out of this plastic container that it came in and just so you guys know Sigma actually has a couple of these cleaning tools. They have a glove that you just literally slide on your hand They have a larger version of this one. They have like a really mini one a mini glove There's like four or five of them, but this one is their smaller. This is suction cups are very Legit, so this is the smaller cleaning brush They have one that's larger than this but a lot of people were saying it didn't fit in their sinks They're having some trouble with it So now this one's even more portable and smaller than the last one so let's examine this thing It has suction cups on the back So now it'll stick to your sink without slipping and then it has a couple different sections on here Which I'll probably will show you in a close-up when we actually start to wash So this can be used on your eye brushes and your face brushes and then it shows you exactly how to do it But I'm just gonna show you in this video because who wants to read, right? That's why we're on YouTube So let's head to the bathroom and get these babies clean What we're going to need is our mat our dirty brushes and I like to use an anti-bacterial Dishwashing liquid soap and we're gonna eat some shampoo. You think I'm about to use my shea moisture on my brushes No, no, no, we're gonna use some basic whatever swap shampoo whatever you guys have So now we're gonna grab our mat look for the curved part We're gonna put that right underneath the drain Then you're gonna push down so all the suction cups then attach to the sink So it's not moving around while we're cleaning our brushes. Oh and excuse my Halloween nails I know Halloween is now over. Let's go over all the sections So on this side, we have the wash face on the other side We have wash eyes and then we also have the rinse eyes at the top and Rinse face as well. This is where we will get all of the suds off our brushes then after that We're gonna move down to the refined sections. We'll give an even deeper clean and for an even deeper clean We're gonna go to the refined plus face or the refined plus eyes I'm going to start off with my dirty powder brush and I'm going to rinse it under lukewarm water And then I'm gonna add the liquid dishwashing soap And then we're going to rub it in a circular motion in the wash face section This is getting rid of all the bacteria and the dirt But I like to take it one step further and add some shampoo So I'm gonna add some shampoo and of course I'm making a mess But we're gonna keep washing in the wash face section Once you feel like you got all the makeup off, we're going to then move to the rinse face So you can move this in an up and down motion and you'll notice more of the suds will be coming off Feel free to turn on the water so that we can remove all the soap and dirt out of the area Then we're gonna move down to the refined section for an even deeper clean And then we're gonna move to the refined plus face for that final cleanse Then you squeeze out any excess water and look at that your brush is looking brand new Now let's do the same exact thing with our eye makeup brushes, but on the other side of the mat After a few brushes, I realized it was easier just to pour the dishwashing soap and the shampoo Straight on to the mat before washing my brushes. All my brushes are so Super clean now, and I'm very very impressed. Now it's just time to wash off our mat So now that all of our brushes are beautiful again, you could lay them down on a towel to dry But are you guys ready for the best Pinterest beauty trick ever?  So that is how you use the express brush cleaning mat I will be using this a lot more because my brushes should never get as dirty as they were and as you saw I did use this washing liquid and Shampoo, but there's a million different ways you can clean your brushes. Some girls use olive oil Some actually have a cleaning brush solution So if you guys have any tips and tricks leave me a comment Let me know what you use to clean your brushes and if you want to get one of these max yourself These are only 25 the bigger ones are 35 and the glove and things a little bit more than that But I think you only need the little one I mean unless you made it like a group activity and you and your friends were all cleaning your brushes I don't see why you need the bigger one I would just go with the smaller expressed one and I will put the link down the description box in case you guys are Too lazy to type in sigma beauty comm but I would recommend this my brushes are super clean And it was much better than using my poem before you go Please give this video a thumbs up and remember to subscribe I post new videos every Sunday And if you are one of my subscribers, I will be posting more Product reviews just like this one. I know I've been so loyal to shea moisture But I know there's other products out there in the world So I'm gonna branch out from just doing shea moisture products So leave me a comment. Let me know what products you want me to try Or what products do you like best that you think I should try and we will just do You know as many products as we can well, I will see you guys next time. Thanks for watching beyond grenade today


So we're talking about geometry today. I'm going to focus again on points. Just a short video about different ways to think about points. As I said in the last video, I think a point makes sense in a geometric theory if the point is something that takes up space. Geometry, I think, is fundamentally about the taking up of space and therefore the objects in your geometric theory must take up some space. There are different ways to think about points. Like I said, Euclid said that they don't take up any space whatsoever. But there's another way of thinking about points, a more modern way, maybe post-day cart, which is to treat a point as a pair of numbers, as you might think of coordinates in a Cartesian plane. This is a really interesting approach I disagree with. It's something that a mathematician who's worked on a fan of Norman Weilberger, who's a work I'd recommend on YouTube if you hadn't seen it. He's doing very important work. I talked to him about it, and he seems to take that approach, that geometric objects, lines, points, circles are defined by numbers and pairs of numbers, sets of numbers. If you take that approach, it allows you to do some really nice and fancy mathematics. In fact, the way that Norman Weilberger does it, he does it in a very careful way where you can avoid even irrational numbers, which I think is a benefit of the theory. But regardless, I don't think that gets the metaphysics right. It might be the case that you can have a language which describes points in terms of numbers. So the numbers are supposed to correspond to the object. I'm fine with that. But to treat geometric objects themselves as numbers, I do not think is about geometry. That would be a theory about numbers and a nice theory about the relationship between numbers doesn't tell you about the taking up of space.  I just discovered a Greek philosopher that actually agrees with some of my criticisms of Euclidean geometry, and to my surprise actually has somewhat similar theory. It's a good old Epicurus. Apparently, the Epicurans disagreed with the foundational axioms of Euclidean geometry. They thought that space and geometry must fundamentally have units which take up space. You have to have fundamental objects that take up space in order to build a coherent theory of geometry. I agree with them. But if you do that, you immediately lose a lot of the conclusions of Euclidean geometry, including the Pythagorean theorem, including the supposed transcendentalness of pi, all kinds of ideas that you lose out on. That simply logically follow from treating points as objects which take up space. Now, like Epicurus, I also disagree with one of the premises of Euclidean geometry and Greek geometry in general, of the infinite divisibility of space. I don't think that makes any sense. If it's the case that there is any space at all, that is, composite space that has parts you can reference, it must be the case, I think for logical reasons, that you have fundamental base units. Now, this idea has gigantic implications in multiple areas of thought that I can't go into right here, but suffice to say that people don't realize that the claims of Euclidean geometry explicitly presuppose the infinite divisibility of space. For reasons that the Greek philosopher Zeno pointed out, although it kind of accidentally didn't intend to point out, I don't think that it makes sense to say that space is infinitely divisible, that between any two points is another point. I think that's logically and empirically false. Think again about the geometry of your computer screen. Your computer screen has the ability to create composite geometric objects which appear like they're perfect. Circles that you see, for example, I used to be a motion graphics designer and I would create beautiful looking circles in motion graphics, all of which were fundamentally reducible to pixels. And if you examine these pixels, you'll note that the pixels are side by side. It's pixel here, pixel here, pixel here, pixel here. And between two touching pixels, there's no middle pixel, it's not infinitely divisible. It's one side by side to another. And yet it allows you to construct the objects that we actually experience. So why would we think that we need infinite divisibility, which I think is incoherent fundamentally, when we have a great analog of non-infinite divisibility, namely pixels on a computer screen, which create objects that we experience. Put on a VR headset, go into the world of virtual reality and look around and tell me that it doesn't look just like three-dimensional space. VR headsets fundamentally have pixels that are reducible to finite units. Between the two pixels, there is no in-between pixel. Not only that, but the math that actually comes out of the theory of geometry in which there are base units is way more beautiful and it's perfectly precise. There are no irrational numbers. There are no incommesurable quantities. There are no transcendental numbers. It's all perfectly precise. Every unit of space has its own distinct, discrete location in space. And in fact, I think this correlates to physics really nicely too. But that's a video for another time. So again, at the very bottom of Euclidean geometry are these premises and ideas which we can coherently doubt. We don't have to just accept the idea that space must be infinitely divisible and points must have zero dimensions, just because that's the way that people have been thinking about it for a few thousands of years. Not to mention who knows how many thinkers throughout history didn't make it into the textbooks, didn't make it into the history books and disagreed. I disagree. Fortunately, I have the tools available with modern technology to get my ideas out there, but it's very possible that people who were atomists, geometric atomists, as they might be called, their indivisible geometric units, were simply excluded from intellectual conversation. If I remember correctly, there was a quote over the School of Athens that said, let no man ignorant of geometry enter. Well, you might listen to that and think, oh, wow, must be that Euclidean geometry is beautiful and perfect in an intellectual discipline. Or you might listen to that and say, oh, wow, that's very dogmatic.  But yet because it's geometry, we think, no, well, we can't possibly coherently doubt any of the premises. I suggest maybe that's dogmatic. Don't take my word for it. Keep examining these ideas for yourself. And as we go along, I think hopefully a little bit of doubt will be seeded in your head as well.


That was a misprint. It should have been VHF radio set up, then the mirror shuttle non-joint. Atlantis mirror, Houston, where Scott is in the EVA checklist right now. Due to the level of the cabin CO2 when the helmet was installed, it would be possible to get a monitor CO2 message. You can disregard. I will hold my safety theater, and you can go. Okay, great. Please. Yeah. I cannot go. Two minutes to the ZOE. Okay, close it the rest of the way, Vladimir. Blumer, it's a two-minute ZOE, but we'll have intermittent calm until 1703. Two backboards so that I avoid it all together. Yep, you're looking good now. You just, uh, you got, uh, Vladimir's safety together. Okay, I see that. Docking modules so that we can flip the light cloud. This is Mission Control, Houston. Again, this sequential still video being provided through the S-Ban communication system on Atlanta showing astronauts Scott Parazinski and Vladimir Titov hauling up to and now fixing the 121-pound solar array cap to the side of the docking module. There you did. We've already got two tonners. We've got two tonners. Ready, Vladimir? Are you ready? Scott Parazinski deploying the hand controller for the Safer. I think we have a good unit. Can you hear that? I can hear it. That's one of the questions here. Yes, I can. Okay. In the test field, we have 98% CN2, 93% power. I'm making it up there. That's just fine. Could you feel it pushing it off? Yep. The hand controller module on my DCM patch here. Yeah, I can come over. It might be real convenient to put that thing away while you're still in the, um... That'd be great.  I'll blow you up. Okay. You're all wrapped up in it, so... I think it's left, right? We'll take you away. I should be between your legs. But right, work the bastard if you were to go into the airlock. Okay. I'm covered. And I'll go to the DCM. At Landis-Meyer Houston for EVA. We know you're busy getting ready to repress, but we just want to say that outstanding job on the EVA today and for Scott, congratulations. Becoming a member of that exclusive club of spacewalkers. I can't speak from experience myself, but Steve Smith's here and he watched the whole thing, outstanding job. Also, for Volodia, you're making history today. Of course, as the first non-American to wear an EMU. You both worked fabulously out there and Bloomer, congratulations. Great job orchestrating the EVA. Welcome back. Thanks a lot, Mark. It was a thrill of a lifetime. I've waited my entire life to do something like this and it was even better than what I had imagined. And I appreciate all the work you guys did on the ground and of course my good friend Volodia and Bloomer as well for helping orchestrate this. And it's nice to have Mike Polabor too. He helped out quite a bit during the EVA club. Mark, thank you very much. Go ahead. You're welcome.


Police officers and firefighters have been equipped with more resources to stay fit while on the job. In a brief ceremony held at Police Headquarters Chesterfield, the Make It Happen Foundation handed over exercise equipment to the force and fire service. Details in this report. Equipment valued at $220,000 has been donated to 10 stations to support the welfare of service men and women. The 20 items of gym equipment will be distributed equally among the stations. Lady Raquel Dubele-Chastney is the founder of this charitable organization. COVID has shown us all how invaluable our frontline workers are. And as we all know, physical fitness is a critical attribute for our fire and police officers in particular. So we are very pleased that we were able to have raised sufficient funds from the proceeds of last year's Officers Bowl held in December to be able to purchase and donate such gym equipment. We are aware that the equipment will be well used and used by a large number of officers, and we therefore purchased top-of-the-line quality elliptical machines by pre-core and total gyms, which we are advised should last at least 20 to 25 years each if taken care of. Mrs. Dubele-Chastney adds that the donation represents 500 patrons of the last Officers Bowl, as well as companies from the business sector who pledged their support. This is one of many fundraisers undertaken by the Make It Happen Foundation for several worthy causes. Commissioner of Police, Sever Montcherry, expressed gratitude on behalf of the force and the fire service. I want to take the opportunity again to thank the Make It Happen Foundation, and also Mrs. Chastney, because I know you've worked very hard to ensure that we get those gyms. And I can assure you that both fire and police will keep this gym not just for 25 years, but for 50 years. And we look forward to your continued support and the support of Corporate St. Lucia in assisting both the Royal St. Lucia Police Force and the St. Lucia Fire Service. This recent donation of the Make It Happen Foundation brings the total number of stations to be gifted gyms on Island 214, including the police training school located at La Tocque. For the Government Information Service, I am Jesse Leance reporting.


used to these VIP camps back in the day. And when, you know, you promote that, that I'm going to be talking about blood flow restriction training, like the comments that I would receive would be, you know, pretty crazy, you know, and, you know, I get being skeptical, I think that that's an important quality. But yeah, lots of trolls, lots of, well, you know, as you might imagine, where could I put this to make something else bigger? Or can I put it around my neck to make my brain bigger? It's like, the perennial fifth cup. Yeah.


My Lilliput a7s has arrived and so I'm going to be unboxing it Hello, welcome to take one tech. My name is Alec and in this video I'm going to be unboxing the Lilliput a7s and I've been waiting for this to arrive It's taken a little bit longer than expected or estimated and this is going to be paired with the desview t3 Teleprompter which I did a video on just yesterday or the day before I remember I'll leave a link to it up in the top and So yeah, I'm going to use this this field monitor a 7-inch field monitor as the screen for the desview the desview is actually designed for as a teleprompter to be used with either an iPhone or an iPad something like that or a tablet Whereas I'm going to use this because it's going to give me a bit of extra functionality And I don't really need to use it as a teleprompter itself It's it's more to use for the eye contact in zoom meetings and things like that So yet going for a proper actual monitor will allow that But this video is not about how to do all of that that will be in another video and once again I have to say thanks to mr. Keith Pelzer for the recommendation of that This is going to do just the job that I wanted to do But I'm going to just do the unboxing of the a7s field monitor because obviously it is intended to be a field monitor for a camera So that is the the purpose of it So what I thought I'd do is I'll split these videos up and I'll do one where I unbox the Monitor itself and then I'll do another one where I join it together with a desview And we'll see how I go with that. So without further ado, let me come over to my top-down shot and Here we go. This is the box And if I open the box, it's nice snug fit in the box we have The actual monitor itself sitting on the top in some foam covering You take that out from there and it has got this sort of rugged case around it So it is a little bit shopproof I'm not sure you'd want to necessarily drop it, but it gives it a bit of protection at least take that out In fact, let me just slightly zoom out this scene so you can see a little bit more of well A little bit more of the mess on my desk if nothing else. So then in here, we've got a user's guide So obviously I should be reading that from cover to cover before I do anything with this And then inside we've got a cable which is a mini HDMI to HDMI Obviously to be able to just plug this into your camera to use it as a monitor I wouldn't actually be using that one because I'll be plugging this into my computer in here. We've got a few Well an allen wrench and an allen screw and then in here it does actually come with a Mount so that you can screw the monitor onto this and then this is can fit onto the the cold shoe So if you're gonna mount this on top of your camera, this is how you would do it I can even show you that with just One little screw of this in here Says not being able to screw it in properly Isn't that always the way you go to demonstrate something and then it doesn't quite work. Let me try this again This is definitely screwing in this time. I'm sure of it So there you go. We need to be using this. It's quite a good little ball joint Actually, it does feel quite quite sturdy and Quite strong as well So yet you could mount that onto the cold shoe. Where's it gone? It's the cold shoe of your camera And so that's how you would use it on there and then obviously connected up with the the cable attached But I'm not going to be using that either Just take that off for now very carefully. Obviously Now here you've got a battery pack because there is there is power will come to the connections But you've also got this if you want to use it with a battery pack then this is the adapter to use in here and Then that is where you'd be able to slot your battery in and Can't just remember the spec of the batteries So I'll have to have a look but the the operational voltage for this is seven to twenty four volts and So if you're going to use this with power Which I intend to then you will need an adapter because it doesn't actually come with a power adapter with it because Intended to be a field monitor at the end of the day used with batteries Now it's also got this which is an extra sort of shield for it So let me just show you how this fits on And as you can see it's a very quick unboxing this isn't it we're almost at the end But this has got some velcro around the edge of it and then also you'll notice inside the rubber here You've got some velcro in there and that means that you can just pop this in like this And then pop it like that and then you can see you've got a really quite a quite a large hood for it So if you're using it out in strong sunlight, you'll be able to obviously that's a lot to look clearer But I'm not going to be using that and I'm also Not actually going to be using the the rubber cover on it because I'm just going to have this mounted as I say to my Desvue T3 teleprompter much like like this So I'm just going to have to do a bit of work to get that to sit in there properly and in the right position But as I say I'll save that for the next video. Well a little slight technical issue there You won't have known anything about it, but I just pressed something wrong there and I totally screwed up my scene So anyway, let me carry on with where I left off Which was somewhere around about here. So let's have a look at the connectors that you've got on the monitor You've got a HDMI in and out and this acts as a pass-through for 4k although the resolution of the screen itself is actually 1920 by 1200 so more like the resolution of a sort of MacBook screen so not quite 1080p wide screen It's slightly deeper than that But that is the resolution of the device itself. But as I say you have got that 4k pass-through There is a headphone socket on the side as well And then also the power socket if you are going to be mounting this to as I'm going to be doing then you may Want to get one of these little angled brackets so that you can actually pass the The HDMI in my case and like that I want that going off to the back So just getting these little handy sort of L-shape connectors might be useful I'll leave a link to anything that I mentioned obviously in the description as always And then yet you've got the power in so it's DC 12 volts although it can accept up to 7 to 24 volts is the power that it can that it can accept as an input there But the actual normal operating voltage is 12 volts DC obviously So then on the other side one thing to note is actually they've got the the mounting screw there and on this side as well None on either of the other sides though and then on this side We've got a wheel which is a menu wheel. We'll see how that works I think you actually click it But we'll find out and then it's got some buttons there You've got an exit and then you've got the power button there and then this f1 and f2 Those are actually programmable buttons as far as I Remember from the documentation I've got a power source. So I'm just going to plug that into here and One of the things about this is it can actually flip the the picture So that is obviously important for teleprompting. So let me have a little look if I press this button that brings up the menu and then This is a really bad contrast, but you can see I can sort of flick through these menus and then what have we got? brightness obviously all the usual color stuff You've also got some sort of metering and things like that. Bear in mind that this is you know supposed to be used as a Field monitor on a camera. Whereas I'm just basically using it as an extra screen for my my MacBook to or my Mac to go to My teleprompter I got totally carried away there with the flicking through these menus So yeah, you have got some different things scan aspect ratio under scan Zooming things like that Look what else we've got peaking so you can this obviously got like waveforms and meters and things like that on screen as well What else do we have? Volume level and then you've got some settings in here. This is where you can configure the let's have a look language timer Image flip. So that's the one we want if I press this hopefully I can flip it backwards Don't know if you can see this so it flips from back to front But then also forwards to backwards and then the other way so you can basically flip flick it in any direction So that it works with your with your teleprompter Let me get it back to normal and then come out of that one And then we've got the back lights so you can set the brightness of the the back lights We can turn it down See how bright that can go and then you've also got the configuration of those two buttons So button one and two. So let's see what options we've got in there So the moment it is set to peaking, but you can also change exposure histogram level meter center marker and all those sorts of things so Again, I'm not going to actually be using those buttons because all I'm using it for is as a monitor extension for my desk view So that is about all I've got to say about it at the moment because I've literally just taken it out of the box So what I'll do is I'll Probably wrap up this one by saying if you found this useful and then don't forget to like and subscribe to the channel I don't really do many unboxings. That's because I've not really had much to unbox of late Everything's just sort of ticking along quite nicely as it is so but I will obviously do them as and when I get things because I do know People like to see these sorts of things So yeah, if you found it useful then subscribe to the channel and I'm going to get straight on actually with pairing this with the Desview T3 teleprompter So this just needs to go on here and I understand there is a light slight bit of modification that will be required Because the holes don't quite line up. So there we go. That's to be expected And I will I'll get that video done and then that'll probably be the next one I'll make so as soon as I've done it I will leave a link to that in the description of this video as well But for now, there's plenty more good videos coming up. You don't have to wait in for that one So have a great day and I will see you all again soon


And welcome back to Think Tech. Community Matters. I'm Jay Feindell, and we're talking about gun control and gun violence today with Erin Davis. She's a lawyer who deals in that area in Washington, D.C. And in a moment, we're going to talk with her more seriously. Welcome to the show, Erin. Nice to see you. I always enjoy talking with you about this. And it is, I hate to use the word favorite, but it is one of my favorite subjects because it's so outrageous.  Welcome to the show. Jay, thank you so much for having me and having me back again. And I am so grateful for people like you who choose to continue to cover this area. It's such an important area. And I'm very appreciative of you taking the time to cover the issue, to think about it, to get these messages out to the Hawaii community. And hopefully we can all make a difference together. Got to try. Everybody's got to do something. And the Lord knows you're doing a lot. And I appreciate that. We should all appreciate that. So, you know, the news recently, news first, of course, is the kids. The kids are walking around with guns. They're shooting their teachers. And on occasion, they're shooting themselves. And I say to myself, gee, how is this possible that kids could have guns in school, carrying it around with their tuna fish sandwich, and their backpack? What is going on here? What are your reactions to this? What do we do about it? We can't arm all the kids. You know, what are the kids going to do to prevent the other kids from shooting the third-party kid? Can't do that. And how do you attack this? Do you attack the parents who somehow either directly or indirectly, negligently or otherwise allow their kids to go to school with a gun in the backpack next to the tuna fish sandwich? Jay, you touched upon such an important issue and really what's covering our headlines today.  And really, I mean, I do think it comes back to the parents.  I think my call to action for people who do own guns and do have children in their homes is to make sure you lock up your guns, make sure your ammunition is not kept in the gun, make sure your child knows that it's not a toy. And really, I mean, if that gun is locked up, it will save lives. You hear about these unintentional shootings all the time where kids don't know what they're doing. And of course, I can't comment on the specific facts of the Virginia case because they're all just coming out in the news. But I do know that no child should be allowed to take a gun to school in their backpack. And if they are allowed or if somebody is allowing them to do that, those people should be held responsible. That means they should be sued by the family of the child who was injured or the case of Virginia, the teacher who was injured. It seems clear to me, put me on the jury, I volunteer here now to be on that jury. I wouldn't hold that person accountable. How in the world could you have a household where a kid gets his hands on the gun? There was one reported in the Times where the gun was under the bed, under the bed. And the kid was looking under the bed and there's the gun. And it's an object of fascination, sort of an attractive nuisance, if you will. And then he took it to school. You can't do that. You can't do that. And kids are smart. They know where you keep your gun, which is why you have to keep it locked up. Actually, one of the really important programs that Brady has that I would really like flag for any gun owners who are listening to the show tonight is called the End Family Fire Campaign. And what it is, is it's a campaign that's geared at gun owners and teaches them what they need to do to lock up their guns, to keep them safely stored, to prevent injuries like that to children and children and during other children. Of course, we could have fewer guns in the country. And that would probably help. I'm going to talk about some other issues that have come up around this. You know, talk about attractive nuisance. Talk about how guns fascinate kids and other people too. If you sat with your eyes clamped open, like in the movies, that movie, I forget the name right now, Clockwork Orange, where your eyes are pinned open and you have to watch a movie. If I put you in front of a television for one evening, and I showed you all the movies that are available on cable and, you know, on networks, 90% of them involve guns and violence and shootings. The bullets are flying everywhere. Everybody is getting wounded and killed. There's such hatred and vengeance and violence that it extols the virtue, the power of guns. It makes them objects of fascination, attractive nuisance if you will. So it's more than just the seven-year-olds. It's everyone is fascinated.  You will survive. They'll do some magic medicine on you and you'll be okay, which is not realistic at all. We live in a gun culture because we are surrounded with culture points, like movies and TV, which people spend three, four hours a night on that, and it enters into their blood process. I know the First Amendment would not allow us to stop those movies from playing, but it seems to me those movies are correlated to this problem, don't you think? I do, Jay. And I really, I would highlight sort of two things that are really interesting to me about what you just said. The first is the question of why are the guns highlighted in this movie and what guns are highlighted. And part of that, I really task on the gun industry. I mean, in my experience litigating cases against the gun industry, what I found is there's a tremendous amount, especially in recent times of AR-15s and guns that quote unquote look cool, being marketed as objects of desire, oftentimes to children and adolescents and the same type of people who would find enjoyment from this movie. So really, I see a lot of times in my cases, and we have lawsuits, frankly, on a marketing theory saying that these guns companies are intentionally marketing firearms in such a way that's attractive to children. And they do it by their advertisements being similar to popular video games. So the way the advertisement looks looks like it would look if you were to pick up a video game as a kid and play it. So the gun industry, I think is certainly a huge problem in terms of this irrational view of why you want guns. And I also think there is an opportunity for Hollywood to make a change. And we've actually, at Brady, we've worked very closely and there's a group of writers and directors who this is on their radar. They recognize that how they tell a story with a gun matters. And my hope is that in years to come, you'll see movies that use weapons in a more realistic way or they choose to use them in different ways so that it's not glorified the way it is in much of Hollywood and in video games by the gun industry. Now, guns are dangerous even on the movie set. Look at Alec Baldwin. That's pretty serious crimp in his life. And of course, the women he shot. So whenever you have guns out, especially guns that do fire, you have the risk of injury and death. I don't know why we need them. Absolutely. And how they look and how they're used on TV is not how they're used in real life. When somebody uses a gun and hits somebody the first time intentionally and that's it. That's not what happens in real life unless you have very, very serious, competent training. So it's also a realistic perception in terms of what they look like, how they're used, and certainly the injuries that occur from them is completely unrealistic and does set a false view. I know this may not track on our discussion as contemplated, but not too long ago, there was a court that struck down the ban on bump stocks, which that was the device used in this mass killing in Las Vegas a couple of years ago. That was really bad what happened there. And it was really bad that a ban on bump stocks wouldn't stick in court. You guys, Brady, must be interested in that sort of thing, wherever Judge goes off the side like that. Absolutely. And part of what we do at Brady is we bring cases and we bring a lot of cases and we bring highly impact driven cases that will go through different levels of court to hold actors of the gun industry responsible for these things. We do a handful of product safety cases to make products safer and certainly products like bump stocks, large capacity magazines, certain types of assault weapons, these are all weapons that harm and endanger our community. And the suppliers who choose to make them, the gun manufacturers do need to be held accountable when they're used in a dangerous way or they're designed dangerously. Talking about gun control, I mean, I feel that you probably know the numbers more accurately, but 400 million guns in this country is really not ideal. And the more guns you have, the more likely they'll be gun violence. It's simple. So here we have Congress at Joe Biden's initiative but passes a gun control bill long, long awaited, okay, but maybe a little, a little dishwater. And my question to you is, how is that doing? Was it going to be a notable restriction on guns? Or is it just for image only, for optics? And how well is it doing? Is it actually working? Will it work? Yeah, Jay, I'm so glad you asked about this. So this is the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which was passed in June of 2022. So it's been about six months since it went into effect. Congress got together and acted shortly after the shootings in Ubalde, in Buffalo, and then Ubalde. And it was certainly a moment in time that the optics were right to put something together. And I flagged this bill as being really important and impressive because this was the first gun violence prevention law that has been passed on the federal level in over 30 years, which is insane when you actually think about it. I mean, obviously, state governments have passed important gun safety laws, but on the federal level, there has not been a bill that's passed until the Bipartisan Safer Community Act. So the historic of nature of that alone is really important. What I would say is that the Bipartisan Safer Community Act did a lot of really good things. For one, it closes the boyfriend loophole, which is a gap in federal law that prevents some individuals who are subject of domestic violence protective orders. It now prevents them from being able to go and legally buy guns. Another thing that the Bipartisan Safer Community Act did is it re-emphasized the importance of trafficking and small and strong purchasing by creating new federal standards around these crimes. It also broadened the definition of engagement in business, which sounds really wonky, but in practicality, what that means is that it allows more regulation on people who sell guns privately, and they now fall under the federal regulations. And also, one of the things I think that it did that was most important was it sought to provide funding for states who want to pass extreme risk protection laws, which are IRPOs. So that allows you to prevent somebody in the short term from being able to have access to a firearm. So those are all the things that it did that we are extremely excited about, and I do think we'll have a lasting impact. But what I will say about the Bipartisan Safer Community Act is that I think that it is a starting point. It's a floor. It's certainly not the ceiling of work that can be done. So it's a great starting point, but my hope is that there will be many, many more federal laws that go into effect that really cover some of the other loopholes and issues that weren't covered by the Bipartisan Safer Community Act, but I think it's a great starting point. Aaron, what was left out? You say Bipartisan, and then you include the Republican Second Amendment guys, so it's like rationality compromising with irrationality, and it's not necessarily the result that should be rational. So what was left out? What were the provisions that the gun control advocates were asking for, which the Republicans didn't want to compromise on, and then you get this thing in the middle? What would you like to see done now? So on a federal level, there's a handful of bills that have passed in one house or the other and haven't necessarily been signed into law or had the support of both Senate and Congress at the same time. One of which, which I think is extremely important, is expanding and strengthening Brady background checks.  But if you're buying it in a private sale, they don't necessarily, on a federal level, have to run a background check on you. So closing that loophole in particular would be something that's extremely important, and it's extremely important. In 2018, actually, there was a survey that was done that found that 97% of Americans supported expanding Brady background checks. So that's an example of a law where there's large support throughout all communities across the country, but the politics of Washington have kept it from successfully passing. So that's something on my, certainly high on my wish list. Another ban, which I think would have a tremendous impact in general, is some sort of an assault weapons ban. There was an assault weapons ban under the Clinton administration that had a 10-year window. So it expired, I believe it expired in 2005, if I'm correct on that. And so prior to 2005, you couldn't buy an assault weapon. But once that expired, what's really interesting is as soon as it expired, you started seeing this flood of AR-15 weapons enter into the marketplace and the marketing start on that. And what's also interesting is around the same timeframe that the assault weapons ban expired, you also saw the gun industry succeed with passing the Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, which is placa. And that's the law that I deal with a lot, which is a special protection that makes it harder for victims of gun violence to bring lawsuits and civil actions and denies them access to justice. Now, you know, I will cover this hopefully in another show, but so if I ask a Second Amendment person, you know, who enjoys the politicization that the Republicans have created around this issue, you know, why do you really want to have an assault weapon? You know, is there anything in your life or anything you see happening on the horizon that makes it helpful or useful to have a military grade assault weapon in your home? It's not really a question of protecting your home. It's not really a question of protecting, you know, your life on the street. It's an assault weapon. It's an aggressive military weapon. You use it in war. That's what it's made for. What is the answer that that person would give? You know, I know this sounds crazy, but people think they're cool. And they think they're cool because they've read ads and they've seen them used in movies and they've seen them in their video games. And the way that they're looked at and talked about is in a way that's appealing. And that has really been a successful marketing campaign on behalf of the gun industry. And that's really why they're popular. That's why you keep seeing them used in mass shootings, because mass shootings of, you know, I would say 18 to 25 year olds who are the, oftentimes the perpetrator of these shooting, it's the same type of gun over and over again. I mean, water guns have more regulations and more safety features than these assault weapons do. And that's the reality of it. Okay, I wanted to ask you a couple of other areas of discussion here. You know, you guys, Brady, which I commend you on your work, as always, you know, are in court, trying to limit the benefits of gun manufacturing and sale and uncontrolled guns in the country with lawsuits. And I just wonder, what is the tone? What is the tone of the judges around, you know, out there and the tone of the lawyers that appear in these cases? I mean, on the other side, maybe where you would be, what is the tone of the juries who listen to this and make determinations? How do people around the country feel about cases which are dedicated to trying to prevent additional guns and trying to prevent gun violence? So, you know, Jay, I think that's a great question. What's really interesting about some of the work that I'm involved in is, you know, I really practice and work in states that I don't live in. I work in a variety of different states, red states, blue states, and purple states. And I have noticed a lot of similarities and commonalities is the truth between jurors and people when you actually tell the story of the case. I mean, when it actually comes down to it, you know, gun owners and non-gun owners alike don't want guns being sold and trafficked in negligent ways into the criminal marketplace. They want to keep their communities safe. They want to, they want to hold those accountable when they act negligently because it really not only threatens their own community and their own personal, but it also if negligent gun dealers and manufacturers and dealer, they're allowed to continue in that way, what I found is that gun owners feel like that's going to, that's further also going to try and take away their rights. So I think on the affirmative level of the affirmative cases on behalf of victims of gun violence, I think there's a lot of unity between jurors on all sides of the aisle, which is I think how a lot of the country feels as well. I mean, I don't think you see, you know, certain voices are very loud in this debate. There's a very loud, you know, voice from the NRA, from the gun industry, from the, from people who are very passionate about gun rights and they're loud and they talk a lot and they, you hear what they have to say, but if you actually were to poll most, you know, common sense gun owners, they want safety regulation. They don't want people, you know, who shouldn't have guns having access to them. So I do think there is much more commonality in this issue than necessarily is projected once it becomes a polarized issue and people start talking about my right, second amendment, you know, and all these other issues. Yeah, you know, I can imagine some cities, some courthouse, where there are people outside protesting one side of the other and trying to make their political point all along the lines of the fact that this issue has been politicized. It is no longer a matter of rationality. And this takes me to the fallout from the Supreme Court case about open carry. So we have sort of a national movement. It's kind of like the Republican national movement to, to do trigger law ban abortion in every state they can reach. Maybe including Hawaii, I don't know for sure. And so you have this army of conservatives all around the country trying to take that Supreme Court case and enforce it, limit the limitations on guns. We know that happened in New York. And apparently it's happening in Hawaii. So open carry is a big issue and I don't know why. We've been safe for as long as I've lived here. All of a sudden, we have a gun issue with the legislature. Oh my God. This is not a good thing. It's not a gift to us by any means from the Supreme Court. That's another conversation. But be it as it may, we do have a national effort going on, don't we, to support open carry, including here, right? Yeah. So I think I probably want to, if it's okay with you and we have time to back up a little bit and just sort of talk about the Supreme Court and how we got here very, very high level. And then I would love to come back and certainly dive into all the nuances, which I mean, I think I might put your listeners to sleep if I did that in this moment. But basically what the Supreme, so what's really interesting about, you know, this entire movement and what's going on in this particular window of time in gun violence prevention is that within two days of the bipartisan Sabres Community Act passing and the entire country, you know, uniting about gun violence prevention, the Supreme Court issued their opinion in the Bruin case, which is one of the most aggressive decisions I've ever read truthfully that really, I mean, threaten, you know, it says now that there is an individual right to carry a gun for self-defense outside your home. And when you read it in writing that you just sort of glance over it. But when you actually sort of think about what that means, it can have a tremendous impact on all of our communities across the entire country. The second thing that the Bruin case did was it changed the test in terms of how you actually analyze the Second Amendment. So rather than having this two-pronged test where public safety played a role, the court is now saying that you have to evaluate, you know, gun laws using a very wonky historical analysis. And then it didn't give the lower courts the tools as to what that historical analysis might look like. And then the final thing that the Bruin decision did, which I think is really important and relevant, you know, nationally, but in particular to the residents of Hawaii, is that Bruin says that New York's concealed permit scheme is unconstitutional. And why that's significant to Hawaii is that like New York, Hawaii had really strong laws related to public Harry. So the impact of Bruin, you know, really changed how, you know, whether Hawaii's current scheme could be upheld or whether there needs to be certain legislation passed now fit under this Bruin framework and to continue to continue to for Hawaii residents to be continued to have the same permit scheme and then also, you know, issues around public Harry and Hawaii. So if we want to escape what they did, what the Supreme Court did in Bruin, it falls on us to strengthen our gun control laws here now this year in the state legislature. Absolutely. So what I noted, so I should say when Bruin came down, the state legislature was not in session. So nothing was done immediately on the state level. All four counties in Hawaii did take some action to protect their current scheme. You know, for example, city of Honolulu passed a regulation to bolster their licensing and permitted process based on existing state law. So in Hawaii, localities can control how those standards work. So that was something that that Honolulu did, as well as Honolulu also worked on and there likely will be hearings on a sensitive place ordinance, which is what we consider the fix to, you know, continue the scheme even under the Bruin analysis. Now that the state legislature is back in session, our hope and I think I would imagine the hope of the citizens of Hawaii is that the state will take action. And really what we want them to do is mirror what they've done successfully in other states in these types of laws. But you know, what I what I'd say is the the gun rights people are loud. I mean, they come in, they lobby, they make their points, some are local, some are from the mainland. But really, it's up to the citizens of Hawaii to, you know, talk to your legislatures, tell them this is important, tell them why it's important, tell them you don't want people carrying AR15 down the streets of Waikiki, which, you know, they potentially could if these types of laws are not the sensitive place laws are not put into effect in the right way.  And it's really, really important.  And hopefully we can, we can do a show on exactly what that means nationally under the NRA. But they're organized, no question about it. They're everywhere now. And they're trying to do this in many, many states. But tragic in New York, and when I grew up in New York, everybody talked about the Sullivan Law, and the power that it had to keep guns off the street. It was a mainstay of law and order in the city, in a city where law and order is not always guaranteed. And so when you take away the Sullivan Law, which the Supreme Court did, you're left with a problem. What troubles me, though, is that where the gun, the anti gun control interests, the NRA interests are organized, the anti guns, the gun control interests, the ones that you and I would have described to, not so much, not so much organized. So my question to you is, suppose I take your call to action. Suppose I want to do something about this. I want to do something in Hawaii or in a national organization that would have some advocacy in Hawaii. What do I talk to? Where do I go? What organization is that? Where do I send my check, Erin? Well, I would have to give a pitch for my organization. We actually recently started a Hawaii chapter and that's www.bradyunited.org. We are actively involved on all different levels. I mean, you've heard me talk about the legal work that we're doing, but we have a fantastic policy team that's really dialed in and we have a strong organizing team. And it's really through supporters and advocates who are passionate about the issue that we make change. And I think that you talked about the anti, or you talked about the gun rights organization being very organized and being very intentional. But part of it, I think, is that these laws that are being challenged under the Bruin framework are allowing them to be very intentional. So what we're seeing, which is really unique, is that they're challenging these same types of laws all over the country. And they're very intentional and strategic about where they do those. So, for example, you're seeing states and municipalities that have chosen to pass common sense gun safety laws like assault weapons ban like Hawaii, like the city of Highland Park, California, all of these places have been sued and are now facing lawsuits relating to challenges under this new Bruin framework for their gun safety laws. So I think what we can do as a community, what we can do at Brady, what we're, I should say what we can do. We're already doing it, but we will continue doing it and working very hard at it is standing up for these gun safety. First of all, getting these gun safety laws passed. Second of all, standing up with the communities in court when they are challenged. And finally, if bringing legal action, well, not finally, but finally, for me, what I do is bringing legal action against the gun industry to keep our community safer. We are in a strange place. When I was a kid, the NRA was the most benign kind of organization. They had no political side to them at all. And they were all about gun safety and small arms as a sport. Not anymore. It's really interesting where we have gone on this and the threat that you describe not only to Hawaii, but the whole country is really existential. Well, I hope we can get together and do this again. And talk more about the larger forces at play and where they go. Where will they go? Where will this issue go? Thank you very much, Erin. Erin Davis of the Brady Campaign. Great to have you on the show. Thank you, Jay, so much. And thank you again for covering this important issue. And thank you to all of your supporters for watching. And if there's any other information that you'd like, please visit our website, www.bradyunited.org. And certainly, we welcome all kinds of new supporters of all kinds. If you want to know more about the issue, about any of our work or about anything else related to the gun violence prevention movement, please check us out and we would be glad to chat and be a resource for everyone. Thank you, Erin. Aloha. Thank you, Jay. Aloha.


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Hello and welcome to the session. I am Asha and I am going to help you with the following question which says, if the diagonals of a parallelogram are equal, then show that it is a rectangle. Let us begin with the solution and let ABCD be the given parallelogram. So we are given a parallelogram in which the diagonals are equal, that is AC is equal to BD. And we have to show that parallelogram ABCD is a rectangle. Now in triangle ADC and triangle BCD, we have DC is equal to CD. This is common to both the triangles. Also AC is equal to BD since this is given to us the diagonals of the parallelogram are equal and AD is equal to BC since opposite sides of a parallelogram are equal. Therefore by SSS congruence, we can say that triangle ADC is common to triangle BCD which further implies that angle ADC is equal to angle BCD. That is these two angles are equal. Let this be equation number one. Now in a parallelogram opposite sides are parallel. So AD is parallel to BC and the transversal DC intersects them. So this implies that angle ADC plus angle BCD is equal to 180 degree. Since if two parallel lines are intersected by a transversal, then sum of consecutive interior angles is supplementary. That is 180 degree. And now since angle ADC is equal to angle BCD, therefore this step can further threaten us two times of angle ADC is equal to 180 degree. Or we can say that angle ADC is equal to 180 degree divided by 2 which is equal to 90 degree. Thus angle ADC is equal to 90 degree. Now from equation one, angle ADC is equal to angle BCD. So this implies angle BCD is also equal to 90 degree. Similarly we can show that the other two angles that is angle DAB and angle CBA are also 90 degree. Angle DAB is equal to angle CBA is equal to 90 degree. Thus this implies all four angles of parallelogram ABCD 90 degree each. So this implies parallelogram ABCD is a rectangle. This completes the session. Take care and bye for now.


I created a risky document on Gobi, you can fetch it and fill it with everything you want. There is also this IRT channel for people watching this video if you want to participate. Maybe we can do a quick round table if there are too many others. It's supposed to be an open discussion, so I won't say much. I would like us to collect your impressions on the public team in general, if you have some ideas. I was just focusing on the brand and the marketing of it, where you show the newsletter It all looks very not boring, but it doesn't look very appealing. Nothing seems consistent in the way of branding. I was thinking if you make that a bit more upmarket, people will focus on that and it will become more one than all over. We would need some people to show us how to do it. Absolutely, how to do it. I think it's more coming up with a visual idea and concept and just giving it more of a branding and more of a unity. It's probably the correct way. Tell me a little bit about designing the team for DEVCOM 16 for me. Both of us are very new to Debian at large. What we've learned so far is there's this beautiful thing about Debian that everybody can contribute and change things. Now we're talking about the visual identity, this role, to make it their own. But at the same time, we strongly feel there also needs to be a brand that's wider than just this role. It's the whole layout and everything. And we're stuck on how to get it both ways. Because the idea is that we can understand why it would just be sort of wiped back on with the copy and whatever because it relates to the coding role. It relates to the developers and their respect. But it doesn't stand out very well. I think if you had a newsletter then stood out a little bit more. I'm talking to the world. If it stood out a little bit more, then I think you'd get more people interested in it because it doesn't look boring, for lack of a better word. It doesn't look appealing.  But when I see a brand, then I think we need to get this going. We need to get a proper identity going. It's great for marketing. You could purchase sponsors and things like that. That's my two cents. So I just wanted to point out, there was a trademark, birds of feather, two trademarks, birds of feathers yesterday. And we were talking about the notion that the swirl is being trademarked. So because it would be a trademark, you wouldn't be able to modify the swirl. So there's a lot of existing... One derivation of that logo is the swirl with the mint logo embedded in the center of the swirl. And there are some other derivatives that have been created like that. And what happens in trademark law, and I'm not on all your... So I'll just preface all following comments with that. But what happens in trademark law whenever you have derivation of a logo that you trademark, is that it loses its distinctive indication of source, which is a requirement for being a trademark. And so if you allow people to modify that mark, then you run the risk of losing that. And that's really needed here though, I think. This is just a Debian newsletter, so it just needs to... At the moment in the newsletter I sent out, there is no Debian logo at all. But it is an official Debian thing, so there's no legal problem about having it. The reason at the moment is just the historical thing that Debian developer type people are allergic to HTML email at all. So they're just sending a plain text format email with no... As we say it, no markup, no branding, anything. And maybe that's something that should be at least an option, possibly. Yeah, it's not an email or anything. Back to the trademark thing. I was just trying to identify that as a risk that we need to stay away from applications of the logo. But also many trademark policies allow composition of the original logo, so we have another problem. Provided they don't...  Before we end, when you're following what's going on in Debian, what is your preferred way of knowing what's going on? Do you read the planet, do you follow Twitter, do you read the Debian project news? I read things on Twitter because it shows up in my newsfeed. I don't read emails usually, because I get so many different things. And it's really common for people to not read newsletters or less. Did somebody here really use the new Debian for the news? Well, I read it, but together with Planet. For a long time I did read it carefully every time. I think in recent periods there's been quite often duplication between the newsletter content and previous announcements on Debian development apps. So people who already have a project, by the time you get the newsletter, it tends to be other things that are often this kind of familiar, which is a bit non-ideal. But still, there's a lot of people who don't read the other messages. So I think there will be an audience for the newsletter. I'm an email reader, but when I read the email, I don't get the subject line. If the subject line doesn't get my attention right away, I don't read it. And so rather than have a large newsletter with lots and lots of things in it and a subject line that says Debian newsletter, it might be better to have more newsletters with the subject line telling more of what's inside. I'd like to get on saying much in subject line. Besides, keywords may be for major, interesting topics within the latter. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Another new DPL, something like really kind of major points. Between 240 characters. So it's a subject line. There we go. Put the number. You sent me an email with 140 characters in the subject, I'm not going to read it. Maybe you have the first couple of letters of maddup. Maddie star. I have a question. When we talk about specifically how people consume information, it seems to me that there's two different groups of people that we're talking about. There's Debian reach for Debian people. That is, how do we communicate internally? And then there's Debian reach out to people who are not currently part of the Debian project that might like to join or use Debian or something. And that seems to me like it has a different flavor to it. Like you're not going to reach the second couple of people at all with a newsletter. On the other hand, you might be more able to like actually use HTML mail for something that you're reaching out to the general public with without getting tons of like nasty grams from CDs. When we talk about publicity, which of those are we more talking about? That's what the team handles is. Everything from internal communication to external people who aren't involved in Debian are necessarily involved in... It's usable to send both HTML and text. Yeah, but you might also want different newslets all together for different audiences. When we're announcing that we do already have this, that we do have different types of announcements that go to different groups of people. And there's a kind of spectrum of greyness rather than just in-or-out people because even people who are project members actually, some of them, don't necessarily read all other possible sources of Debian information. So there are communication news there. But as you come out, there are people who make occasional... Maybe they are in the Debian community, but that means that they occasionally get a package from testing and occasionally make bug reports or whatever. And then there are people who are just very occasional... I mean, using Debian the whole time or occasionally using Debian and so on, who have different needs. But what I mean is just... It's going to be interesting to them, it's clearly different depending on which part they're in. Sure, sure. But I thought just the question is how to present... How to make that newsletter appealing to the audience, right? For Debian audience, let's put it... It's text, right? For general audience, it better be flashing indeed. So there should be somewhat nice background and maybe layout. And you could send in the same email, the same email with HTML and text together. And Debianites will just read the text version and the others, they all get flash HTML, right? So that's how it works, I believe, in many domains and examples. What could be the flashy layout and background? That's another question. I feel like if you're trying to... People outside of the insiders of Debian, it's not just the flashness on the right side, but you need an entire marketing strategy, which includes social media, which includes Twitter, Pinterest, Facebook, and choose a few. And the wording, the way the language is just the acronyms that we use. Your entire language is probably towards the benefits to the end user as opposed to the technical powers of what you do. It's an entirely different term. What is happening now with Debian Twitter? Debian officially doesn't have Twitter. That's right. But do is Debian reserved for Debian on the right side. But it's there, at least we have it, right? So who has access to... Will you listen to all the tweets which are directed at you? And then will you ship with them? At the moment, we have a... We have either a policy nor... Well, we do have somewhat of a workflow, but it's not working really well. So there's no policy. There's a policy. It is, if you want access and you want to help out, then we will gladly give you access and help out. And if you see something that's where you'll be tweeting, then go and repeat it. And when there's original content, then so far, on the publicity channel, there's been propositions and acknowledgments by another person. So the deal has been... I want to write these 140 characters, and then if somebody says, yeah, that's okay, then that's enough. And then it goes out in Identical and it goes out on Twitter whenever people have access to it.  I mean, it's identical, or it doesn't matter. We don't have a way of really just publishing the same information to multiple networks. We don't have a way to draft online things. I mean, Hootsuite or all these other things would be possibilities for us, except of course they only work on Twitter, and since we don't officially have a Twitter account, it's of no use to us. So what a lot of us really would like to have, I think, is some sort of management system whereby we can add messages and then they sort of get propagated to all the networks. It's just I'm not much into social media, it's just a message system. They say, try sort of directly. It's just the question of choosing one. I don't think we've found any so far. There is that one that's larger than them? Yeah, there is. The constraint is us to find something that's free, and so on. The problem with that one was that it was bi-directional. It was bi-directional and it didn't do any of that stuff like hashtags and it's ad here and it's another thing there and whatever. So it's not ideal, but I think it could be done, and I think Laura is interested in working on it, but it's just not really apparent. I think everyone agrees in principle that we should have the same media messages pushed out to different social networks and that we should have the ability to plan some tweets and the good ones in advance and update things if there's something urgent, but otherwise you can have some stack ready to go out in different ways. This does tie in and I don't want to jump, maybe you have this later on, but it does tie in to the bigger picture. At the moment, by the time that we have drafted, acknowledged and finally posted a piece of information on Twitter, it's like we're like 14 hours later. So like the world knew about that we instable release 14 hours before we posted, we finally ended up posting it too. And that, in my opinion, a problem in the sense that we are not regarded as the marketing team. Because again, this history should have been sitting ready and with... It should have been A, sitting ready and B, we need to get the information first. Just doing the tweets, now we have computers. We just need to find the computer when we do that. We need to make sure that the information collects with us and that we are the ones that control, if possible, control the representation to the outside world so that, no, not somebody from the release team tweets that we now have a stable, I mean, let them, it's somewhat to be coordinated, but we should know what happens in advance. It always comes as a surprise when we do that. So I don't really know how to solve that, but I would say that if we, the more organized and the more present we as a team become, the more we're going to be in the minds of people and they're going to hopefully come to us and speak with us before doing so. But not if we don't react. So, it's a hard problem. It's a hard thing to solve. We'll volunteer. We're already volunteering for this kind of... Doing it right now. As I said, I think I'm not entirely sure that it makes another sense to now collect volunteers for the social networks and volunteers for the project news and volunteers. I mean, I think the project news are already working very well. You guys managed to revive them after a long, long time and it's going. A lot of work for some people. I'm very aware of that. But also these things should be coordinated. It's not just a mantra coming, a silo of people who do social media and a silo of people who do the project news or whatever. For something like release, clearly it should be all these messages written in coordination together from press release to the tweets. Essentially what we should have. I'm sorry. It is kind of happening, but again, it's not. I mean, in terms of when people are saying collecting volunteers on again, you want everyone to be part of a team with people doing a particular job than that, not building a big team who are going to come up with a great plan of social media, but ignore everything else. One thing that we floated an idea that we floated a couple of times now was sort of any news, anything relevant comes in and gets a record, like a filing kit or a ticket on RT or whatever it is. Okay, some solution. The point was that this is how it just becomes an entity with some sort of workflow attached to it and we have translation infrastructure so you could actually abuse that to translate from EN announcement to EN tweet and sort of keep it all in there which is all optional and so then you have this thing sitting there in the queue and it's like this is a news item worthy of publishing and it's tagged, project news, Twitter and so on, and so then when the person that this Twitter comes on, they can just simply say what are the news items and maybe they already translated or I do that myself then I think it's going to be rather trivial to just simply say okay tweet all of it because that's a Python script with five lines so that's one possible way of going about it. It is a lot of manual work but we're doing more manual work in the long run. The other thing that's a problem in the way things are currently working in terms of making the publicity output more relevant is that very few things that are being announced are actually because it's suddenly happened like we're not announcing there was suddenly an earthquake if things we could have known were in advance and had everything written but at the moment obviously the culture in Debian is that each individual team pushes out their own announcement when they're ready and it's extremely rare to coordinate that in advance to gather an announcement that could then be put out to external audience at the same time for example we're not following anything in Debian at all that matters but the people who are halfway in between or which includes lots of journalists they want the external announcement in a way but they also read Debian development and by the time we've got something ready they've already seen the development post with some confused idea of what's going on I don't know if it's realistic to ask teams to hold things back or maybe ask to inform them before they've done their own announcement maybe you gather what you need and then sync it and then post it all at one time so you have a sort of certain time that you're going to do those posts and you say okay this time those posts are going to go out then you can start putting in your staff and then sync it back there just as a that's a good work for the question of the practical or social thing of getting volunteers in particular other Debian teams to make the effort to cooperate with that so I do this at work it's my little context but it's really not that hard and things that we do is we have schedules people hold things in on schedules one of the really common things we do is that teams do manage their own stuff is we just retweet things other people say and we give each other heads up so if you have a team that's officially making some sort of announcements we have other teams that are making announcements the communication pattern here isn't that hard especially if one person is willing to say like hey I'm going to be the person who remembers to tell isn't that too much pre-team what do you mean like isn't that if someone is going to be having to tell them each time do you assign one person to do that I don't think you need to assign someone I think you just need to do the discussion yeah exactly and that's I don't think it's onerous to ask somebody to post a link to someone on IRC I do that all the time and it doesn't even have to be the same person for the team every time we don't need to ask the release team to designate a publicity person just hey guys when Jesse is going to untree just give us a heads up this happens very often and it's going to be so burdensome we're not like arch we don't do a release in 15 seconds we should be able to coordinate this it's pretty well coordinated but Jesse I think but even for the smaller things like we don't how many announcements do we have that are interesting enough to be noteworthy to the general public in a given year 5, 10, 20 but these are also not actually informative and useful information but not as very interesting in terms of reading content seeing the list of packages that have been updated and the point release is not really something you're going to say I better read than any matter a point release major releases conferences events mini dev cons dev cons related stuff job postings anything we got through like the Debian signing like the Debian agreement coming to some new thing with some company or like getting a sponsorship these are all the right things there's not that many of them I would worry more about the burden we were asking teams if we were doing hundreds of fees and then I'd say okay we really need to figure out some more formal process of communication from somebody outside of Debian I was really interested in the Debian idea I do think it needs to be translated in a way that like why would the person on the street be interested in it so what makes an arm so fascinating I'm really into open hardware because of what I think it could do it could have your own beer brewing station at home or something and like put it into context or something that people who really don't care about so actually it could understand or about computers in general I guess would take about an hour's work maybe not the day but day but maybe twice a week and I would say if I know then I'm not going to mess up too many other problems here for that we'd probably need a couple of test runs to see if I mess it up do you have any place on your site or your Wiki where people can contribute case studies like she was talking about how did I use Debian to do something and because in the commercial world this is how you sell services to case studies so for example if you have case studies from banks when a bank comes along and looks for a solution they see that other people have used that and therefore they would be willing to use it too we have a section on the website listing the different companies or institutions using Debian I don't remember exactly but is it still maintained? yes but case studies are a little bit lower in depth than that they say how they used it and how it saved them money or how it improved them that type of thing that's just that they used it but it's easy enough to do you could contact us we have computers and try to contact them to do some small interviews and that's a good idea but also the more open to the community like she was talking about the interesting ones like the beer brewing station and things like that the the Raspberry Pi people are very good at doing this and that attracts a lot of people coming to their site just to see what people are doing the strange things which also creates news articles because reduced people are interested in that too this is very powerful not only on the web but also if you think about a booth at an exhibition for example for the street map project we did a lot of demos like just have any kind of map a public transport map a printed map or we had a live demo of every edit happening in the world on a big screen something like that to see what they can use and this is really powerful interesting case is when Debian is a case study whenever there is a publication which analyzes different distributions uses Debian as representative let's say community in open source there was this European report on open source benefits few years back by Bosch it's really interesting read because Debian was chosen to be the kind of project to analyze and there were quite a few of those so if I want to find that report can I just do a web search for the report on open source and Bosch but that's been few years back then that lady of the book which was given away this morning anonymous for her first book I believe was also a study of open source and it was largely around Debian I forgot her name right, I believe her first one she is an anthropologist pretty much those were Debian representative open source project that I can publish with a text form as a backup I don't like if we can that's cool because then we can also do it as an anonymous that's also stuff that you would like apart from being archived on the email list it ought to be archived somewhere on the website as a friendly section as well at the moment it's basically just a list of links for organisations which is not very exactly this would be nice a little article a picture article with a permalink which is available for use for email it's like the reason why my intention is not to be entirely altruistic but the problem I want to learn more about they've been trying to source sponsors in South Africa that use Debian and this is a great way to build that for this thing and also this content for the Defconn 16 web site so I did a section about the Debian project news we need more volunteers for that difficult to keep up with the schedule and so if we take too long to prepare an issue then the news are not news anymore so we need more people to help us to publish this much faster so if you are interested in I can show you anytime what is our workflow and how to contribute to this it's quite easy it's very nice when there are several people working on this at about the same time you can coordinate on IS it can be fun we have events ideas event box that's pretty much just a summary of what came out of this morning question of mine so we compiled if you go to that Wiki page we compiled ideas for possible materials which will accompany an event box which might not be the physical event box which we distribute but it's convenient package maybe even Devin package which comes with materials oh I want to present Devin at this event there is nobody here with those materials but I can print them out either at local publishers or whatever local resources you have or maybe even other from online but you have at least all the materials and ideas how to establish let's say exhibit books because it's also not trivial and for the first time there might be good ideas how to set it up and attract attention to your book so if you have any ideas especially cool ideas that's a Wiki page for you to contribute to and from there we'll probably go with reviving some version control system repository probably with materials for that occasion because we have CVS we still have CVS for trifolds some were probably artwork flips as well well we have it online of course but we don't have anything central where you just clone these and you have all the materials you need it's almost like a marketing material pretty much yeah so you've got your sticker, you've got your presentations you've maybe got your slides and the templates things like that and virtual box and live CD and all these kind of things so you can buy it or you can download it or something like that and then use it at whatever function you add that's right which then goes back to the branding and marketing idea again and giving it an identity and a base which would go back to his question of the trademark where then you would have to go okay well then we have to re-look at everything and then see what are we going to do what identity are we all going to agree on and then trademark that and use it for all the marketing so that's well I didn't even have the scroll that's the major thing if we want to theme them all up that's another kind of for every release we have a new theme maybe we would be able to a multiple, well we have a winner you should see right? hey winner there is a agreement on swatch I'm not sure if it's going to be very good but I was telling you that I'm saying like if you're going to do what he's suggesting where you have a box where if he's got a function happening wherever and he wants to represent Debian and bring that into it how can he get that stuff and how can it be accessible and I think from there you've got to go okay well what are you looking at if that is going to be universal and people wanting to download it or get it sent to them as a package I would like to take a moment and we are very sorry for asking you a direct question in the news with the news this is to detail very well when you recall what was happening in Debian what are you following for getting information about Debian being lived I can only speak for myself but I probably get the majority of information from the planned feed that's just me I know that our other two old-time writers I think maybe would ship more towards the mailing lists but I'm not 100% as well I personally I think I follow the twitter account but I don't ever look at it for signal familiar reasons most from other people not from the Debian account I don't know that answer is going to be kind of peculiar to the sorts of stuff that we cover though which tends to be focused on what individual developers are working on so I don't know if that's what's going on but it's my reply it is, is there anything that you would like to know about what's going on in Debian that's not easy to get at apart from inside secrets that we're generally in if we were going to invest in some more publicity effort I think I've got a quick answer to that I might be able to get some stewing to I don't think Debian is a project that's hard to get information of there are projects like that you might think about ways of measuring how effective your your publicity is if you put in different URLs with different streams and feeds and then people read that come back and click on that and then give them privacy and so on I try to do that with a Debian blog but we have an optimized blog so I cannot really get out of this task of what's going on I only can do more, let's do the first and given that I don't have IP information of where people is coming from we don't really have any way we don't have any accurate way of doing that we don't really matter because of privacy well I would just say that if you put out to one group a URL according to one page and all you're doing is counting how many times that page is accessed with that URL that's a pretty non-invasive type of thing you're not capturing anybody's name just saying I sent out this piece of information with this URL how effective was it in bringing back people to visit this page I would love doing something like that just know on the Debian blog or the tweets I would love doing that with the Debian website because I am sure some they have never accessed nobody is visiting them probably require somebody doing that finding the best no intrinsic way for them there are a lot of positions we have 5 minutes left if we have 5 minutes do you want to wrap up and just sort of summarize what we've learned what we take from this and whether we're better off now than we were 45 minutes before maybe also if people are not people who are here probably have some interest and not often are yet involved so maybe what they should do if they want to carry on the involvement after this discussion what to say maybe there are people on IRCs I have a question just a general question with regards to the decision of the Debian and the current wish to increase its the types of users who are the types of users that you're interested in are they technical people are they people who currently use Windows and are looking to switch the liners and then we want to be the line of explosion choice of what kind of users or new users are we looking to get that's the problem I wonder more because again exactly with Debian especially it's hard to give a stab for what I want so obviously you want to keep the existing Debian community happy so these are the Debian contributors whose hardline geeks and then my next catchment what I would like to reach with this Debian a week is people are curious about making things or even about buying kits even if I don't want to have my friends yet that could be anybody from cheese someone who wants to do an auto purchase so they might not have an interest in computers in general but they do know that computers can make and help them do stuff so I'm not particularly interested in people who convert their stock computers to Linux I don't see how that actually has value because I don't think they know how to and I think from there you need to if that's what you want to do and I may be wrong then I think you need to get to corporates for somebody who can roll those things out because people who buy a computer when I buy a computer I just expect it to open and I've searched it on for a mainstream I don't care how it does that which is bad but as an entry level that's where you want to get interested and I'll never become interested and then you've got the CD or the USB drive and you stick it in you try and install and you've got no wireless connection or your touch screen doesn't work you've got a new laptop and you've got no touch screen support so how do you get to so I guess that sort of user will have some other way of finding if I don't have somebody who needs to help me I go into the internet with some other device and search how do I but I would imagine new users would go on tech savvy they would maybe have a design switch to Linux and they would kind of like what is the first Linux this drill I should use and a lot of the sites they will they will find or recommend you do something else I need to you can take a look ok so all people interested in should join the Ion's channel or send a new message to the JNPGC team in Linux and make new things together to read from the JNPGC