Good morning sub traders has everybody doing on this lovely Friday on the ninth of 20 done the 21st of Friday Good to see you. Happy Friday to you to Donna. Happy Friday Ed Craig. Good to see you dead, all right Glamour good to see all right guys. Let's get right into it first of all the party is over for TLRY.  It's it's at here in New York and I was walking out of my office and I was going to my car and You know in my office is a lot of brokerage firms and you know There's a lot of offices a pretty big building. So the owner of the the Coffee shop runs up to me. It's a stout stout. Dude, what's going on with TLRY? They told me to buy it. Is it is it going up? Is it going down? I mean, I still have it here. I made so much money now. I lost a lot of it What do I do? What do I do? And I'm like I'm like I'm like buddy the party's over Why don't you tell me you owned it from day one? He's like, what do you mean? The party's over the thing went up so much I'm like, yeah, and it's gonna go down. It's got a big short squeeze That's why it went up the way it went up and it's like, what the hell's a short squeeze? He's like I you know, I had to kind of explain to him what a short squeeze was I'm like, that's the reason why the stock went up this high and we've been there. We've done it You know what I mean? So guys, listen, it was just a matter of time when this thing was gonna crash I mean if we knew it was gonna go to 300 we wouldn't be here, you know If I you know, there's a lot of things if I knew there was oil in my in somebody's backyard I would have bought the house whatever it is if I knew you know what it is what it is But you know what when you hear every day and you deal with these stocks every day You just know how it's going but meanwhile like all the the brokerage firms the stock brokers in the building. They're like Talking about it says always the greatest things and sliced bread bubba bubba I'm like it's a totally different animal when you're a trader and a broker and and and you know So what happened was he ran into his room He says probably Joe would sell it immediately So he went into his He went into back into his coffee shop and he tried to sell it in after hours. He called his broker They weren't even allowed to sell it online and it's another mistake that they made but anyway, you could see the stock taking a big hit now and You know, let's see what what happens where it goes but Party's over guys time to go to the next one. Yep.  Supply and demand. That's it supply and demand So when there's a big demand and everybody was tweeting about Bitcoin and they were all at the Expos They were doing all these these talks about us and that yeah, you know what? It's a demand. It's a demand, you know, and now where it it wears it just like just like this TLR Why everybody's jump on a bandwagon, but remember this will be all know about anyway There's there's other there's other fish to fry But let's let's move on and and talk about what's going on this morning First of all, a lot of people made money yesterday on the TLR why yesterday, you know It's a couple of quick little shout outs Nancy made 10 bucks Ben made 10 bucks Ken made five bucks You know, a lot of people traded the the ASCMA and we bring up that one the AS CMA and That one was also another nice one. Let me just see you can bring the time frame. I had a nice pop beautiful Beautiful foul-stove flag right around there cheap little stock. Everyone did pretty well Steve made 25 cents Thomas stayed 33 cents. I mean you guys just give yourself a whole round of applause great day yesterday and We also traded that this other stock that did really well the the the MB the MB EV That was was such a great mover yesterday to that one look at $1.20 to $7 Great great mover a lot of people know not no really big big winners You're not as sexy as the ten dollar winners and so on but you know what Jerry made 20 cents Neil K made 20 cents Jeff made 50 cents Steve made 10 70 for 74 cents, you know, give all those guys round of applause. Good job team All right, well guess what that party is over. Yeah, no biggie, right? You know temple listen money's money That's at the end of the day. But anyway, listen, that's that's yesterday. That party's over You know, you can hear people crying and talking about it. Let's talk about and fry our new fish You know and show what's going on. I remember today's Friday Is coming up the weekend so you don't really find too much going on too much volatility But we'll see how things work out. All right, so far the the big stock on my watch list is this one right here All right This GT X I now if you got it a little bit earlier, everyone should have been in around it around a buck 75 Is it too late to get in? I don't know. It's only down freaking down 90 90% I mean the stock closed at $23. Holy cow.  First of all, let me tell you something. I love Love love love bottom fishing. This is my favorite love bottom fishing I love stocks and get crushed like this and then you get that you get the people that come in the morning and try to Average down and try to make it back. So right now the number one stock on my list right now If you haven't got it in already is the GT X I alright face to face to fail. That's pretty bad I know there's three phases But face to is pretty bad, but is that is that everything that they had?  You gotta be really careful when you joke around with it but anyway, let's try to capitalize on the on the bottom fishers on these the I mean the The averaging down people in this position. All right, so we got that one another one on our list right here Is this EGE? Oops wrong one the typed it wrong EGC there you go That one's got a nice little push nice little trend right there stock You could see one from line the way down to six make a little bit of a comeback. It's got a decent spread 300,000 shares got some very good iceberg orders out there nice level three quotes. Keep that an eye that one DTEA is another one on our watch list Um, nice little cheap little stock up 44 percent 600,000 shares already traded Look at those level three quotes orders everywhere and not even orders. Look how big the orders are 10,000 11,000 a lot of big orders out there like that one stock a lot too You'll see how it breaks out but looks like it's breaking a nice 52 week high that one looks pretty good. Oh a SM Little um, you know, not the greatest of the movement so far in pre-market, but she's trending up pretty decently She's got a good little spread up 30% Breaking 52 week highs right now. So that one also looks pretty good A lot of cheapies today guys ASCMA is another one right here Another little cheapy. That's the one that we're gonna we're gonna cap We're gonna move in from yesterday to today. I'm gonna put that one on our watch list too Great little move right there great pre-market trading You know Sometimes they spill over until the next day and there you have one of them just like the TL our Y AWSM another one will put this on the watch list She's got a great move yesterday, but she started back off a little bit in pre-market.  I'm gonna scratch that one out. Let's forget about that one I thought it was pretty good in the beginning End backs everybody remembers and backs we trade and backs so many times End backs we know Ken move it's a little cheap little stock everyone could afford to trade this stock You do if you're afraid to do any trades. This is probably one that's right up your rally That will get you all the I'll get the butterflies out of your stomach GT XI is another one right here. Oh, I'm sorry. That one's already on. Where's it now? Is it up? It's kind of holding within that 240 270 Let's see how it if it trends up the L Evb is the last one on our list Another little cheap you right here look at the level to mainly all buyers no sellers out there Stock was three dollars not too long ago another one that made a really nice move from yesterday We spill over into today. So that one looks pretty good. So Ben 250 resistance worth washing 17k iceberg order on the GT XI Yeah, you know what? Honestly, Ken Ben 14,000 shares is peanuts compared to four million already trading pre-market But you know, we'll definitely keep an eye on that, you know We always look for those big iceberg orders in pre-market, but that that thing has trained some crazy volume right now But it looks like a fun stock to trade And we all know what that number means right to Ben When stock ends in zero remember that one 250 we know that number very very well. All right guys. So those are our watches that we watch this we're gonna do going into this morning and Yeah, there's your order right there. Boom. It looks like you got taken out right there 250 You got just taken out. All right, so it's like it's going up a little bit of bottom fish Hopefully everybody got a little piece of it so far But the buck 75 was really a good price All right, everyone. Good luck everyone. Happy trading Let's see if we can make some money with these stocks and hopefully all of you here that are new to see to you You're enjoying and having a great time and just just sit back look listen and learn and if you like it Let's make some money together and join the team if you don't that's okay, too Because it's not for everybody. Good luck everyone.  See you back on Monday. Happy trading everyone


Hey guys, uh, late review here. Just reviewed Nightmare on Elm Street with my friend and boss, Mark, doing the Friday the 13th series, all of which I have never seen except for Jason X. It's just the worst one you could possibly watch. On the 10th day, the Lord gave us to us, Basin X. Go give it to your friends, go to liberty, knock, knock, open up doors, ring with a non-top, hop off, stay in the steel. Dream Warriors! Dream Warriors.   All of the deaths in this movie are awesome. Hey Jeremy, this is CJ Graham, Jason Friday the 13th part. Six, having a good time. Two square wouldn't want to be young. You have just watched New Nightmare. We get to watch Friday Crookers season. About that though, is that review will take some time? Yeah. We're gonna try and do something special for that review, so it will take some time, but hopefully when it is done, you guys will be happy. Yeah. Jeremy, my special, special boy. Mummy has something she wants you to do. You have to review Freddy vs. Jason. I want them to remember. Make them remember. Okay. Yeah, it was worth it, right? Two years. Two years. Two years. Ooh, that's a hot mug, guys.  We gotta get it done. At the very least, we have some really awesome cameos from people you just saw, Jason's mother.  And we have several more of those throughout this review, so get ready for those, because we are finally reviewing Freddy vs. Jason. An accumulation of us, essentially what, starting back in 2017. Yeah, something like that. We've finally gone through all of the Nightmare movies, all of the Friday movies, and now we're finally talking about the matchup that these two have. The kind of reason we started this in the first place was to get to Freddy vs. Jason. Get to this point. To be honest, this movie actually still is as fun to watch now as it was back when I was a kid and I didn't know anything about any of the lore between these two. I watched this movie first before I watched any of the Nightmares or any of the Friday movies. But now, having watched them all, I finally can get all of the references, the homages, and all of the clear respect that director Ronnie Young has for those franchises and he tried to put that into this film while also having his own kind of interpretation, just being a lot more bloodier and gorier than the other movies. I enjoy it. I think it's a fun yet cheesy experience. It's definitely made for people who enjoy the Friday and the Nightmare series. The moment I watched it, I had a shitting grin on my face. I'm starting to finish when I saw this in theaters and it's just not Ronnie you. Things decided, like, arguments I've heard about him in the cast and problematic ones. He definitely got it. I really liked Bride and Chucky. When I heard the guy who did Bride and Chucky, who kind of revitalized after the third one, was taking on Freddie versus Jason, I thought that was such a great idea. He didn't have anything to do with any of the previous child's plays and he kind of found that voice to get that movie and I really think he did an excellent job making this both a Friday movie and a Nightmare movie. I would say equal time. Funny enough, every time that there's been versus movies in any retrospective, obviously most recently King Kong versus Godzilla, that movie, if you've seen it, favors King Kong as more so the main person that you're cheering for. In this movie, they both have equal screen time. They both have equal kind of development. They don't get equal kills, though. They don't get equal kills. No, it's definitely more so Jason in this movie. Jason's killing more people. But they still have equal amount of relevance to the story, I would say. Yeah. And it's not forced, it's just, it's horror icons fighting each other. The build-up to getting to their fight, I think they kind of have like a scrap in a dream world at one point, which is actually isn't too bad. But when you finally get to the fight, it is very, very satisfying. You are not left unfulfilled with it. It's awesome. The WWE aspects, which apparently are Rey Mysterio. Yeah, apparently Rey Mysterio's in at one point in this movie. We have an idea of where he is, but yeah, they just all of a sudden this elbow drop. And then all the fire in off the canisters. The torpedoes, all the blood from the spikes. That's so cool. There's so much gore in this movie during this last fight scene. Everything about it. Like right up to the like, and where Freddy gets his own arm jammed through his back. Yeah. It's just awesome. The payoff for the fight scene really hits. Considering this movie was so long in development too, like technically speaking, it was teased at with Jason Goes to Hell, which was back in the 90s. So 10 years before we got the first teaser for this when Kane Hodder's hand with the Freddy Gump comes up and grabs Jason's basketball to down to hell. And there was a lot of work apparently put in by a lot of people to try and get this movie made. Yeah. One of them being Kane Hodder who eventually left because he wasn't cast back as Jason. I got a chance to talk with Kane about this movie at horror con a couple of years ago now. Just talking about it like he was on board the whole way. And then when Ronnie came in, Ronnie decided he wanted a bigger Jason. Kane's a big dude, but I will say Ken Kersinger who plays Jason in this movie is a behemoth. The guy, he's six foot five. He's thick. Thick. Also a super nice dude. He signed. I've already got him on this one. I'm waiting for my Freddy opportunity. This is the director's cut of the movie. Ken signed. He drew a little knife to underline it. I got him to sign that while we were working on a pitch trailer that he was doing for out here, a cowboy movie. That was a lot of fun. He sat around talking about Freddy for his Jason all day. Oh, that would have been great. Meeting through Kane, you kind of learned a little bit more like in the last few years. What was the gentleman who played Jason in the sixth? In sixth, CJ Graham. You've seen him. He did an intro. Hey, Jeremy. This is CJ Graham. Jason, Friday the 13th, part six. Having a good time. You're missing. Too bad. Too square. Wouldn't want to be young. We're having a good time without you. Told you to come. But if you're working, good job. Staying home. If you're just doing nothing, he's your lady. He's doing nothing. You missed it. You missed out. Talk to you later, buddy. So it was nice. I got, when I was chatting with Kane, I got to be sure about Jeremy again. It was nice. Hi, Kane Hauder here. Just had a quick note.  That's awesome. Thank you so much, man. The one thing I wanted to say about casting, which is kind of a cool item I've talked about, Ken coming on was the necessity of bringing back Robert Anglin. We learned with the 2010 remake that I hate more than anything on the planet. He just has Kruger. He is so good in this. From the voice intro, which I love, one of the things that Nightmare doesn't really do, but Friday the 13th a lot. There's, especially early in the Friday series, there's always the previously on Friday the 13th. This movie has that, with Freddie narrating it. So I thought that was a nice hush. Looking the photos of children that he's murdered. They do lean a little more into his creepy side. Oh, yes, 100%. I think it also kind of comes with the times. We're a little, by this point, Marilyn Manson and the shock mentality was out. Early 2000s. Early 2000s. This movie is dated right off the bat when you hear the new metal intro pop on. It's just full of new metal. It's great. This movie definitely has some aging to it. Oddly enough, though, considering it was made in the early 2000s, there are some dated factors to it, like what would be the word? It's not disparaging. It doesn't hurt the movie anymore for having it. There is a joke, at one point, that what's-her-name from Destiny. We dropped the wrong F-bomb in this movie, unfortunately. There's a certain joke by a main boy, what's-her-name from Destiny's Child about Kruger. Because if that's the bad one, he was the one who was talking about raping what's-her-name with his glove hand. It doesn't pull any punches. And it's not as bad as some other. You watch a lot of movies from the early 2000s. They're hugely homophobic. They're super problematic. Like, movies basically everything before and now, looking at modern sensibilities. It's really hard to watch. There is a bit of a cringy bit between Monica Keena's character and the dude who catches his dad's head. That one's a little effed, but it's still like... Oh, I would say. It's not too bad. As far as, again, a lot of other consent issues in old-school films, we just brushed over back in the day. But for the most part, it's not bad. It holds up to our sensibility. Like, there is the obvious boop shot at the very beginning of the film. Lots of gratuitous. Lots of gratuitous. Not as much as the unrated version of Friday Remake. No, that one really leaned into it. Yeah, that one definitely did. This one started with it, and then there are some bits, like when there's the debt, when we have that random, weird flash into Jason's mind. The dead closet? The dead closet, and there's the woman who's floating. I was like, just to her face, and she's floating up, booby.  It's like, there's a few of those shots, like it's a little too male gazey for things, but that's also still common in Hollywood. Yeah, and it's actually common at a time when this movie was shot. Speaking of which, she was also in Supernatural, for those of you who know. The end of season two. Yeah, she turns on everybody. Yeah, she does.  Speaking of bitch, there's a lot of that in this movie.  Yes, that's true.  Oh, yeah.  Tyler Bean's little brother. Yeah. If you've seen things like Tucker and Dale, or something like that. The mall rats reject. All the human characters, actually. This movie, if there is maybe a fault, it's of course the exposition and the, hey, let's throw a bunch of random characters, but still have them act as though you would know what they are. For someone looking on the outside and not having watched any of these movies, it's very hard to follow. Even for us, there was a part in the film where I was like, oh, wait a minute. They're already here. And for 90 minutes, it's definitely hearkening to fans first, not actual film logic. If you didn't watch any of the movies, you'd be very much out to lunch. Like I was when I was a kid, but I didn't really care. I just wanted to watch the gore in it.  There's a lot of homages. Like, these characters are right out of the nightmare movies. Not so much the Friday movies, but the Friday movies never really had any human characters that you actually carried about. No, I mean, after Corey Feldman, there's next to like, there's usually like maybe one character you kind of get told to care about. What was her name in six? She's the one who did all the cool car move, like all the great moves of the car. I can't even remember her name, but that's kind of a, that's more an example as to why. There are clearly more narrative aspects with the human characters towards the nightmare series, but that's because of the whole kids falling asleep thing. Everyone's a narcoleptic. Yes. And an alcoholic. Yes. And clearly not in high school. You know, the main girl's not bad. Her friends aren't bad. Like everyone's kind of just eh. Yeah. Pretty much everybody's. I actually, I'll throw, Brendan Fletcher, I actually really like in this movie that Brendan Z, the buddy who gets the Freddy's back burned on his back. Oh yes. And he was also from Supernatural. Yes, he's also, I mean, unfortunately with 15 season shot here, almost every actor that's been in this, that's in this movie, that's from Vancouver, ends up in Supernatural at some point. Funny enough, one actor who's in this, who's been in a lot of DC stuff, who actually isn't, hasn't been in Supernatural as far as I know, is Lachlan. Lachlan not been in Supernatural. That's hilarious. I don't think so. That might be the only show Lachlan hasn't been in. I'll have to check again, but yeah, he's been, he's the cop in this movie. Stubbs with the very 2003 Frosted Tips. Yes he does. And he just dies kind of suddenly, but he's the one who has one of the funniest lines in this movie. And speaking of Lachlan actually. Can I offer you kids some assistance? Hey, I hope you're enjoying the reveal. Lachlan and I have known each other for 10 years or something like that. I've run into, I've run into him all the time. He's literally in every show in Vancouver. And we've gotten to work with him in the past. And I asked him to do that bit when I was shooting this Sniper movie that I've talked about in my past. Yeah, that was the sniper when we were inside the, what's the farmhouse? Our Leetberger farm. Which also ends up in Supernatural at times. Yes, a ton of times. Cool to see all these actors from like 18 years ago, one of them being Chris Goche. I was going to say, bring up Chris Goche, the laser as guy from Supernatural. He is a buddy of mine. And I really wanted to get him to do a cameo for this one. Unfortunately, it's like timing and things. Yes. You think over two years. Yeah. He has the absolute best, possibly one of the best deaths in the Friday. The entire Friday. The entire Friday. It starts off.  This is at the rave. Glenn Jason just appears behind the guy.  Huge amount of money paying for all that corn. Everything. They literally walked a flaming dude through that cornfield and burned it all. And then he gets a flaming machete through his chest, burst out in blood.  It is a pretty good burn. It's a very dangerous burn. Yeah, it's, and how slow he's moving when it first happens.  And he did use that kind of rotoscope. Well, what is it called when they like to shoot it? They show it at a slower frame rate. Yeah, I care. I don't know the frame rate for it is, but I think it works to, because they probably couldn't have shot this as long as you would like. Yeah. But considering the high speed, slow motion cameras were still kind of not really a thing yet at the time. They use it a couple of times in this movie. Yeah. Those ones don't translate great. When they're showing Chris running through and being chased, there's some like, it looks a little weird. And even when Freddie drops into the water at the end, they use it again, it still looks a little weird. It's still a great kill, though. And especially when he spits the blood at the camera. And that leads to one of the coolest, like just a massacre scene where Jason's cutting everybody off and blood is just spraying everywhere. And at one point, there's a guy who's like trying to defend the beer keg and then he gets stabbed and while the beer is splashing over Jason, he's just like, They use the beer to put out the fire. That's a great shot. There's a lot of good visual elements in this film, not just in terms of the practical stuff, but also in some of the horror aspects. Like I said earlier where Jason's going to his dream place, where the house that's in the middle of the lake, that's a really good shot. When Freddie comes out of the water at the end of the movie to like surprise the main character in the dream, that was a great shot. Because he goes like 20 feet in the air and lands back down in front of her in the demon form. There's some very good visual aspects to this film. And not just in terms of how people are killed.   That's great. That's one of the, just that comes out of nowhere too, because he's just like behind you.  The glow stick and the light rain with the glow stick. And then he launches him in the next week. That's a great moment where they're yelling it. Freddie's all mad. They play off each other really well. And even the fact that Freddie gets less kills, like Freddie kills less people in his movies, like Jason is about murder fest. Like when we talk about murder boners, which I will say, Ken doesn't really rock a murder boner in this one. He's a little passive about his skills. That was probably one of the aspects that made me like the nightmare movies more was just the visuals, because, okay, and you also had a character who could talk. Jason killing people is like, okay, I guess, but those movies, aside from certain films, have not aged, I feel well at all. Some of them are pretty rough. More of the nightmare movies are rewatchable. Just look at our reviews. Like our scores for the nightmare movies are way higher. Oh, way higher. I think there was a few times where it was very fleeting when Friday movies were ever higher, but we did have some retrospectives, because I enjoyed Jason Takes Manhattan for the most part. Like the first 30 minutes of it is so pointless, but then once the killing starts, then the movie's fun, but then there's other movies like, what's it? Yeah. What was one that you really enjoy that I didn't like? I'm trying to remember. Well, I mean, I enjoyed a new nightmare movie. Oh! The Five and Six was the one that surprised me, because for Nightmare Five and Six, I remember Aiding Six the most. This time I'm pretty sure, and now thinking back on it, I definitely hate Dream Child more than I hate Freddy's Dead. And they take even some of the bad aspects from those movies too, but they also take a lot of the good ones, and there's these tiny little tidbits here and there, like, for instance, the drug Hypnosil is from... It comes out of the third one. From the third film. Yeah, I had to rock both, by the way. Rocking both teams. Yes. So, again, kind of going all around, the movie is very, it's very respectful, if you can call it that, what it came before, what it's paying homage to. There are some great gore, some great kills. Probably if there's any sort of negative factor to the film, it is the pacing, because, again, there's a lot of exposition being thrown at you. They even throw exposition at you during the final fight scene. Yeah, I was going to say, it shuts you down a few times. Yeah. There's a few moments where the exposition, they feel like they need to, and I guess they do, because they're trying to create... Yeah, they're trying to create a narrative. They're trying to create stuff, but... But, like, the end, when she's like, yeah, Freddy killed my mother, and she goes on this whole spiel, and the boyfriend's just like, oh, man, I thought we were done. Just let these two fight already.  Yeah. And at the end of the movie, it doesn't even matter. They just see what happens to them at the end. They just... Is that really, really good? If you want to know what happens to them, Freddy versus Jason versus Ash, the comic book, which is a legitimate sequel. Oh, it is? Yeah. Oh, okay. Her character, like the two of them are the beginning of the comic book. Oh! I was going to say it, because I like how this movie ends kind of ambiguously. Yeah. With Jason coming out of the water and holding Freddy's head with Freddy's turns, and he does the wink. It's good. I do like, I'm going to ask it, who do you think won? Well, I kind of like that, that aspect that you think it's Jason, because Freddy is more so the big bad, whereas Jason's a necessary bad. Yeah. Freddy is the villain. And that's because you can talk. Jason's just an object.  Yes. Oh!  Jason does kind of win. Freddy's come back so many different ways.  So he could come back anyway. I feel that Freddy just can't die. Same with Jason, too. I'm in the same boat. I kind of feel like Jason won the battle. Freddy's going to win the war, because Jason, theoretically was, first of all, was killed. And that was like a zombie after four. Yes. But he obviously went away. Like, Freddy had to go bring this guy back from the dead. Even though Freddy was gone and not in the dreams, he was still kicking around somewhere. So my mentality is, Freddy lost this battle, but in the grand scheme of things. It's a creative stalemate, I don't want to say. Yeah, they also, neither of them can really die.  Yeah, exactly. It was fun watching. And was there any sort of kind of follow-up that they have any ideas or this movie do? Well, they wanted to do Freddy versus Jason versus Ash. That was a real plan to get, but again, they ran into Wright's problems. Oh, yeah. I heard a rumor that's fairly, I'm sure unsubstantiated, that apparently there was talk at one point of a season of Ash versus the Evil Dead incorporating them, which I thought would have been a really rad way to do it, but I mean, that show went away and I think it was still the same. But I think that was one of those things that got spitball probably by someone not associated with it, but it got me excited, because I was like, what a cool idea that was, because that show was awesome. I wasn't the highest grossing of all of them. I think it's for both. I'm one of the remakes, like the remakes might have beat it, but definitely at the time, it was the highest grossing for both franchises. Which makes sense. Because it made money, man. Yeah. It was fun. Everyone got on board with it. It did a really good job. The casting works. I'm glad it has so many Vancouverites in it, which is dope. Oh, tons, yeah. Because like a lot of movies, a lot of big movies don't cast a lot of Vancouver people. Like you would just been bringing up everyone in anyone from LA. Yeah. And I mean, they still did like, you know, Monica Kena, Kelly Rowland and Jason Ritter, which is funny because Brandon Chucky has Jason's dad in it in a great role. Those guys are all from elsewhere, but almost everybody. I think Friedberg is probably a leaderman. Not Friedberg. A leaderman is probably from elsewhere as well. But pretty much everybody else in the movie is a local, which is super cool when movies come and do that because, you know, they come here and they film, they use all their crews, might as well cast our piece. No, exactly. So some of the deaths in that we get, like Brandon Fletcher's death.  No. Chris Goche's death. Best in the movie. It's just, it's cool that we get those moments. Probably it was panned by the critics, but it was probably well received by fans of the series. I think most fans like it. It's admittedly slow to kind of watch when you're having to watch like the characters, like the human characters, because you're literally just waiting for the last half hour of the movie. Isn't that what I'm hearing about Kong, though, as well?   And admittedly at least this movie takes as quick of a time as it can to get to that. Yeah. And the nice thing is, the thing that kind of differs is like we're not dealing with like character, we're still getting kills through that whole time.  He just literally like jumps at his dad's head as a shield. No, daddy, no!  And honestly, I would say it is one of the more enjoyable movies for me. I really kind of wanted to give this a four out of seven, because that's kind of really what it is, really what it is. It's a four out of seven. But for me, just personally, because I enjoy it and I want to appreciate it more, I'll give this a five out of seven for me. Even though realistically it should be a four, it's a five for me. I'll give it a hard six. Yeah. That's actually it. I think it's just with what it does to both franchises the fact that you could take any scene that's just a Jason scene or just a Freddie scene and toss those into a movie for either one of them and they would feel right. I think it's great. I think it does the fan stuff well. It's a great fight. It's got awesome kills. It's funny. I was going to mention earlier I did. There's a great reference the fact that Michael Myers is not in this movie. Yes. In the opening scene she's calling for Mike and we never see Mike because Mike Myers is in this movie. It's a direct reference. They're tongue-in-cheek in this whole thing. Yes, very tongue-in-cheek. And it still manages to be good. It's not scary. But then again, none of the Friday movies in my opinion are scary. None of them end like the later nightmare movies. Oh, yeah. None of them are scary either. Good God. So the fact that this is funny and still horror worked for me. 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Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining us for what seems to be a packed out session on Iraq which is indicative not only of the importance of my hope country Iraq but also the importance of the speakers that have joined us here today so we thank you we look forward to your insights questions and comments as the session begins we've started 15 minutes late so well not late we've moved the session 15 minutes to allow for lunch and so we'll be wrapping up at quarter to four. My name is Mina Al Arabi I'm the assistant editor-in-chief of Sherkh al-Ausat and I thank you for joining us today session today is called Iraq's twin challenges on the one hand having to fight ISIS and these extremist militants that are a threat not only to Iraq Syria in the region but some would argue to the world. On the other hand the challenge of building an inclusive country inside of Iraq and making sure that it cares for all its citizens equally regardless of their gender their sect their ethnicity or any other issue that may actually cause them to be discriminated against. So we don't have prepared remarks we want this to be a free flowing conversation. I will introduce our speakers even though they have of course a long history of service in different fields in Iraq I will keep it brief. We have the speaker of parliament Mr. Salim Abdullah Juburi speaker of the Iraqi Parliament. We have with us here Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq Mr. Roj Nuri Shahwees. We have also Ambassador Ryan Crawley public service but was also ambassador to Iraq and held other posts and we have Mr. Basim Salim who is chairman of capital bank here in Jordan. So I would like to start by going to Mr. Juburi and asking him about the security situation in Iraq and how we got to a point where today we hear that the last checkpoint between Iraq and Syria has fallen to the militants known as ISIS and I want to also stress upon the point that some would argue that the Sunni majority provinces of Iraq have created an atmosphere that will allow these extremists to thrive. How would you respond to that? Thank you very much in this meeting and forum that is actually a great chance to talk but also to listen to other perspectives particularly that we're in an extraordinary situation we're going through in Iraq and probably things have become even worse after the fall of Ramadi in a myriad of inputs that really aggravated the situation but I do assume that we'll be speaking frankly because we need not pay lip service to the lives lost and to the millions displaced among Iraqis I say it honestly and frankly when Mosul fell to ISIS which brought the advent of ISIS in order to establish their so-called caliphate then the Sunni community then I mean felt that ISIS came as its saviour its saviour from what from injustice oppression marginalization and exclusion against the Sunni community in Iraq then soon after that the Sunni majority in Mosul they realized that ISIS is the enemy to all and they are propagating an ideology that cannot be accommodated be it by Sunnis or Shiites or any other social component in Iraq and that's why they tried hard and their best to face this dangerous challenge there are numerous obstacles that prevented them from doing so successfully including the physical material capabilities that I mean here weapons equipment training as well although we assume that numerous Iraqis were able to join the popular forces or the tribes but still under constitutional terms this is an informal grouping of citizens defending their own land but actually we can see it as part of their popular contribution to the security of the country and I say frankly the Sunni majority in Saladin and Armbar that are under ISIS control should receive hope and should give should get a sense of feeling that if ISIS is moved and defeated what follows next will be better than the current rule of ISIS because there's certain practices or I should say malpractices that really conveyed the wrong messages for the liberated provinces we need to tell them we want to build a democratic state that respects the human being that does not exclude anyone that everyone enjoys the well-being and common proper living our people in Armbar when they see ISIS and then they wonder what about our displaced people left the creed and the decree was liberated after that and still three months from the liberation they were not able to go back to their homes so people in Armbar will say are we willing to live the same situation so what I believe in is as follows one Sunni areas are definitely against ISIS Sunni and defeating ISIS will not be realized say after the positive contribution of the Sunnis in those communities and this is the responsibility of the government and international community finally say that we need to provide a clear cut model for a community and political reform that is associated with the reform security situation talking about fighting ISIS using weapons only this is a ramp lacking way of thinking we need to employ ideology reform and the role model that we can all the model that we can provide so that would be able to recruit people to ISIS but still it's almost a year now and muslims as under ISIS control all what you have said yes Iraqis and then Iraqis do believe what you said we need reforms the political potential to be employed against ISIS but after a full year of ISIS rule what has been achieved by the government and the parliament to fight such a phenomenon of course the government exerted some efforts in liberating certain areas that were under ISIS control and we need not forget at the same time that the there is a rehabilitation process for the Iraqi army particularly after the defeats suffered after the fall of Nino province in the north IE muslim and they still have rampant corruption that's a problem and in addition to that ISIS is a means that can be used to achieve certain considerations and ends and no one and no one can be rendered innocent from not being involved in using ISIS as a means but it's our destiny we Iraqis that ISIS was so used intentionally in Iraq and probably in Syria but in order to settle all political issues took place in Iraq and that's why we are paying for it as Iraqis the government has tried its best but still it has to do more now for the Iraqi parliament started to mobilize the people and try to support the military one problem that should be diagnosed properly is the lack of the command of the unity of command is absent like the liberation processes in Tikrit was successful simply because there was a single unified command their single voice and they were rendered victorious but now it's missing and therefore it's defeat after defeat being suffered in other areas and ISIS is gaining control and the expense of the Iraqi military not only what are you speaking in Arabic? Of course, the topic can be used as a point to start discussing anything, including ISIS, Iraq, security situation, and you name it. It is important when we consider the current situation in Iraq. It is necessary when we consider the situation in Iraq and the aftermath of the situation, which was quite contrary to our expectations. We have to recall the fact that Iraq is a multi-ethnicity, multi-religious, multi-faith country, but also where problems are rampant and long-lasting with a long history that are deeply rooted within the Iraqi society as part of the various components and structures at the security level, at the government level. When change came around, it was necessary to stop these problems and to solve these problems once and for all, and to opt for a new trend towards justice, equality, democracy, etc. Now, in the course of the political process in Iraq, and quite unfortunately and regrettably, I say frankly, we were not able to reach a political consensus. The various components of the political forces and powers representing the various aspects of the Iraqi people failed to arrive at a unified, consolidated political view or consensus. Although we were able to arrive at common pillars or foundations that were duly documented in the Iraqi constitution. But even the constitution now has become mere income paper, unfortunately, because we failed to enforce many of its articles. When political consensus is absent, political stability will become absent as a result, and with the absence of political stability, there will be no security stability, that's for sure. In addition to that, the Iraqi security forces and apparatuses, in my own point of view and I stand corrected and I do hope I'm wrong, but I say they were based on the wrong, erroneous foundation. They were not designed properly and we did not continue to construct them to reach maturity because they were designed mimicking the former Iraqi army, which was a defeated army who lost three wars in a row. In addition to the fact that the internal conflict in Iraq resulted in segregating the Iraqi army from the rest of the Iraqi society. However, I believe that the largest burden now in any military operation in the Iraqi army, it will be doomed to failure. They won't be able to do it. The other side of the story is that when the US forces pulled the troops from Iraq, the Iraqi army was not ready. And there were certain voices that raised, including military figures, including the Joint Chief of Staff of the Iraqi army. He said the Iraqi army still needs so and so years before it is fully ready to address the security troubles and problems and the challenges in Iraq. In addition to the pulling out of US troops, rendering the Iraqi army in a ramp situation incomplete, but the US forces pulled the troops completely, i.e. relatively speaking, the US forces no longer had any relationships or ties with the Iraqi army. And there was no possibility whatsoever to lend a helping hand to the Iraqi army or security forces directly, swiftly, rapidly or effectively when needed. So this side of the story as well led to the fact that security forces are weak in front of the terrorist attacks, be it in the form of ISIS or non-ISIS entities. So in such a situation, with the absence of political stability, with the lack of the proper trend towards national reconciliation, and with the absence of the force needed to face the forces in the field, all of this rendered a deteriorated situation. We are up against a huge danger in Iraq. We are facing it today, not tomorrow. Therefore we need an immediate direct action to come up with swift solutions. Long term solutions need time, need effort, need studies, but now we need in real time a solution because already danger is encroaching upon the gates of Baghdad. We need all to stand together, work commonly and overcome our internal problems to stand unified together vis-à-vis the danger that is threatening us. Well as you said, there is need to have swift solutions. What are the two most rapid swift solutions you suggest and that are applicable? First of all, the pre-judgments that are issued here and there about the Bishmarga or the popular coalition forces need to be stopped. And also the barrier that prevents from providing weapons to the Sunni population should also be removed and they need to be directly engaged and involved in the security operation in Iraq. As for the coalition, there are also prior judgments, ready-made judgments that are used. Iraq itself, when the United States decided to aid Iraq in counter-terrorism and suggested deploying the Apache helicopters, the Iraqi government refused. Why? Under the pretext that it needs land crews, land crews means that there is a problem with the Iraqi sovereignty. Such pre-determined judgments up front need to be removed. We need assistance, period. So the Deputy Prime Minister is saying we need action, quick action and help. Can we expect help from the U.S. to be more than the air power that's being used at the moment?  I think our role here is to try to sketch out a better way forward. And I just would make clear that, particularly in light of your pointed question, that I no longer represent or speak for the United States governments and I have to add that sessions such as this are now a lot more fun for me. And that's why we want direct answers. I think the Speaker and the Deputy Prime Minister have analyzed this situation very well. Even after the fall of Ramadi and Palmyra, Daesh is not an existential threat to Iraq. As I said last night, they weren't going to march on Irbil. They're not going to march on Baghdad. It's obviously more comfortable saying they were not going to march on Irbil if you're sitting in Texas rather than sitting in Irbil. But that is beyond their capabilities and they know it. The real threat to Iraq, it seems to me, is precisely what the Speaker and the Deputy Prime Minister have laid out. It is the problems within. The absence of meaningful political reconciliation, which is kind of the umbrella, and many things flow from that. None of them are good. So for the United States, yes, I think we should be doing more to assist the military effort. But what, in my view, we really should be doing more of is to assist the Iraqis in resolving some of these enormous problems created well before 2003 in the invasion. But certainly exacerbated in its aftermath. It is specious for anyone to say, well, it's an Iraqi problem. The Iraqis have to sort it out themselves. That isn't going to happen. And I blame no community for this. Anyone who knows anything about Iraq, past and present, can understand the reasons why meaningful reconciliation right now is really beyond the communities unassisted. That's where the United States, I think, should come in. And with it, others in the international community who have obviously a common concern. In my experience as ambassador from 2007 to 2009, what one party could not give directly to another, they could maybe put it in our pocket. And then we could play a role in working with other parties to see if we could help them fashion what ultimately had to be an Iraqi solution. But the role of the facilitator was key. It was then, it is now, and there is no facilitator because the withdrawal in 2011 of the United States forces frankly also lands a withdrawal of the United States politically. And sadly, very much of what we're seeing today, I would suggest, is a consequence of that withdrawal. It is never too late in global politics. I would like to think that the Camp David summit earlier this month would be the beginning of a U.S. re-engagement in the region and in Iraq. The Camp David talks led to the enunciation of what I now call the Obama doctrine, that the Gulf region is a vital national security interest to the United States. Iraq sits at the top of the Gulf. And national security does not mean sending in the divisions. It means taking seriously the problems of a country and a region and working politically at senior levels to try to help ameliorate those. I hope we're doing it in the future because we're certainly not doing it now. Of course we want to talk about solutions rather than just the problems. There is some in Iraq who would argue that so long as we have a political system that supports divisions amongst Iraqis to be represented either according to sector ethnicity, it's very hard to go beyond the ceiling of the troubles we've had in Iraq in the last 12 years or so. So can we step back from that and actually build an inclusive national identity and political system? Or is that too long to take at a time when we're facing threats so imminent as the extremists pose? Well, to steal a phrase from Al Qaeda, we have to deal with the near enemy, obviously. But ultimately to defeat that enemy, Daesh, we all have to get at the problem of the far enemy, which are the divisions within Iraq by sect and by ethnicity that have created an environment that Daesh can exploit. I've spent a long time in the region, as you know. Iraq today, for all of its problems and divisions, is not the Lebanon that emerged after the French mandate, where the sectarian differences are so deeply and inextricably ingrained. Iraq has a different history, a history of tolerance and of inclusivity that we sometimes lose sight of as we look back, say, to the advent of the Saddam years. That history can be Iraq's future, but it is going to take an outside element and right now there's only one, and that's the United States. We're speaking about the future and of hopefully some possibilities, and for that I guess we look to the private sector. And this is why I wanted to come to you, Mr. Asalim, is to ask you, at a time when Iraq is facing so much turmoil and most of the headlines would think that anyone who wants to invest in Iraq must be crazy. But at the same time, there are people who are investing in Iraq and actually see that there's so much opportunity in this country. So what's your take looking across the border into Iraq? Is it too big a risk at the moment to be involved in Iraq? Well, you know, we have invested as a Jordanian band in Iraq 2010, and at that time things were much better than what they are now. But even if you look at what's happening over the last two years, and the growth in oil production remained to increase, and the figures that were published by the Iraqi government last month, I mean, it was a record oil production compared to even the 50s and 60s and 70s before the Iraq-Iran War. If you look on all the macro figures, they're very positive. If you look at the real growth, last year was low, but I'm talking about the last 10 years. It has done extremely well and one of the highest in the area. GDP went up from $500 to $6,800. Iraq is a very rich country, and if you consider the oil production and the revenues generated the exports from $10 billion to $100 billion last year, I mean, despite the fact of all the prices decrease, Iraq will remain to have a considerable revenue for the real infrastructure of the country. We in the banking sector, despite again of what's happening between Kurdistan and down south and in the middle, we see people that import goods, whether a Kurdish company up north, they import to service and cater for all Iraq. They want to do their exports to Baghdad and down south. They do the importation through Meen on Qasar or up north depending on what is more feasible to them. So really one united Iraq, you still feel it in the business community. I think our problem is with the government, with the regulations, with the commitment of the government, I mean politically, forget about, our gentleman there has said a lot about ISIS and the political differences. But if you look about the economic decisions that are taken by the parliament, they're all the right decisions. But when it comes to implementation, they're not there. I think it is very sad to hear or listen or write in the newspaper that the government is not committed in renegotiating deals that they have done with the private sector, whether in the oil and gas or in different projects now, that we see a lot of cases from the private sector are at court. And I think this is very discouraging for the private sector. The market is there and people, we just launched a new product for car loans for people that want to buy a new car for $10,000, $15,000 as a bank. We are located, by the way, all over Iraq. We are in Basra, Qasar, Baghdad, Erbil, Islamania, we're all around the place. So people want to do banking. They are keen on having banks around. They would like to save their money in banks rather than home. But this needs the regulation that the government are saying or even passing laws by the parliament to be implemented. And I think the private sector needs commitment from the government that they mean what they say. And law and order is extremely important for the private sector. So the government isn't doing what all it can do to help develop the private sector. Again, we seem to be going from one crisis to another in Iraq and sometimes that leads to putting important decisions on the side, especially at a moment that we hear Iraq is almost run out of money despite the figures that we're hearing here. How can that be? And legally, the Iraq is moving with the market economically and the market economy has its own conditions and laws. These conditions and these rules are practical. And from one year to another, we try to develop these rules to develop a legal environment and an infrastructure that is appropriate and conducive to investments and to free business in Iraq. Let's not look at today. It's clear that there are difficulties today, but in general, if we look at the potential, the economic potential of Iraq, it has a lot of potential. If this potential is properly tapped into, Iraq can overcome all of its economic problems very quickly. However, the main problem is in the current administrations in Iraq, the Iraqi institutions, whether financial or industrial. In general, the Iraqi ministries and Iraqi institutions, there are still a lot of employees who are in control, but they are not convinced of the market economy and they are still working in accordance with the principles of central economy or the socialist economy of Saddam Hussein. In order to implement this change, this is one of the reasons, perhaps, that led to this delay in advancements in economic advancements in Iraq. This also hinges on consensus, political consensus and political stability. The lack of political consensus and political stability, then the administration will not be stable, and even if a decision is made, even if it's a proper decision, it will not be implemented and everything will only be ink on paper. This is, in fact, the situation in Iraq. If we compare the situation today with the same situation, with the same processes several years ago, we'll find that there's development. Procedures are much better. There are certain decisions that are implemented, maybe not completely, but definitely it's much better than before. And I personally believe that in terms of creating an environment that is conducive to investments and conducive to the private sector, I think this is possible, and this is where we're heading in Iraq. It is the official policy of the Iraqi government. Questions, but Ambassador, I think you want to add something there. I did, because I thought Mr. Salam made a very important point. There is actually a fair amount of American private investment in Iraq. There would be a lot more if some obstacles were overcome. Those obstacles for our investors, by and large, are not Daesh. They're not the Hashidishabi. They're not even the Peshmerga. It is the problem of government opacity, the absence of facilitating regulations for investment. There are areas in that domain. Levels of corruption. And levels of corruption. It's a long list. What our investors would like to see is an overhaul of the Iraqi stock market to bring it into the 21st century. If that were to happen, and I would think that's something that all sex and ethnicities should be able to agree on, because it's good for everybody, you would see a very substantial amount of international private capital come into the country even under the security conditions that prevail now. There are two main challenges in bringing investments and capital in Iraq. The first one is security related, and the other one is legislative to find the proper basis to protect the capital and also to find enough attractiveness for this capital to come to Iraq. But I will not get into the second issue, but I will focus on the first one, the security situation. The international solidarity to maintain a stable environment for investments in Iraq is still shy. It is not bold enough. It is no more than just words. The international community did not take a single step to help Iraq face its security problems. And when I talk about the Arab situation, with the exception of one or two countries, including Jordan, only these one or two countries talked about the possibility of equipping Iraq, assisting Iraq, giving weapons, everyone else is still waiting. And naturally, if the security situation is not conducive to effective investments or efficient investments, we cannot talk about proper or productive or effective investments because we did not resolve or solve the issues that stand in the way of investments. Let's open the floor to questions. If you could kindly identify yourself and indicate to me if you have a question. There we go. We have a question here. If we could please just get the mic. Mohammad Jaffer from Kuwait. My question has to do with the other issues, aside from Daesh, economic issues. Expatriation of money out of Iraq duties. There's a lot of disruption that's taking place that's been present there for more than 10 years now. And recently, we've noticed difficulties getting money out of Iraq through central bank. There's 8% duties that are being asked to be paid for goods coming into the country and for the money coming out of the country. Under normal circumstances, these problems are bearable. With ISIS taking the territory with the uncertainty, even people have been there for many years and who have made investments are starting to worry today. Is the government aware of these worries and what do they propose to do about them? A lot of people that don't imagine this, right? They don't imagine that I do represent the government. In the recent years, after the fall of Saddam Hussein, we tried within the government structures to give the Iraqi central bank kind of independence. And the main condition is to have an independent central bank to push the economic process forward. The Iraqi central bank worked very well from the beginning and it's still doing a good job to try to maintain the exchange rate of the Iraqi dinar and to fight inflation and to supervise the Iraqi banks and to help new banks to be established and to develop. One of the issues with the central bank, the issues that the government had with the central bank and other people as well is the sale of the US dollar in auctions. And there were accusations that these foreign currencies that are sold to banks are not used for import of necessary goods and not for the items that are declared in the manifest. So Iraq loses twice. The exchange rate is not in the interest of Iraq or exchanging these foreign currencies is not in the interest of Iraq and there's no duties or excise on the items that are being imported using this currency. So this is another loss to Iraq. So now duties and taxes are taken from the banks that previously used to be taken at the borders. So instead of charging taxes and duties at the border because the borders are not guaranteed they cannot properly monitor imports. So the central bank through selling foreign currencies if a business says we want so and so dollars in order to import so they sell them the foreign currency and they charge them the duties. These taxes and duties should not be paid by the bank nor by the clients of the bank. It should be paid by the merchant who is importing and who should have paid it at the borders. This is what is happening. This is what you mentioned and this is still not understood because the central bank did not explain it well. Some banks, not all banks, some banks are now charging 8% to the citizens who are buying dollars for example to pay hospital bills or to pay the university fees for their children abroad. Certain banks blame the central bank and they charge this percentage as if it is a blanket rate that covers any dealings with foreign currencies. What our gentleman was saying, I agree with him 100%. The idea is that you pay income, you pay import taxes on anything that you import to Iraq. So since you cannot do it on the borders you are doing it through banks. So they're imposing the 8% and our gentleman there was asking that if he wants to transfer out his profits he will not pay the 8%. But what is happening now? People that are importing goods to Iraq are not using banks anymore. They're going to money exchanges because they don't pay the 8%. So actually what they're trying to do is to make people pay the 8%, they're not coming to banks, they're not opening LCs, they're not doing any bank transfers and they're going to money exchanges to avoid the 8%. So really such regulations that the central bank is passing although they mean well they want to increase the revenue for the government but they're doing it the wrong way and they will end up losing the revenue without doing the proper transactions according to best practice anti-money laundering is taken in consideration, etc. So it's the right way of thinking to increase income but you should do that in a different manner. The system needs to be rectified. This is the right way of thinking to increase income but you should do that in a different manner. The system needs to be rectified. Any more questions? I was meeting with a commander from the Nino Liberation Army that asked for his training to liberate Mosul and the commander has said that ISIS is actually trying to bring services. He said, I hate to admit it but they're trying to bring services to Mosul and unless we do something fast it will be too late to pry them away from the civilians that remain there and that need those services. Because it wants to improve its image they do certain actions that seem to be in the interest of the people like building or removing the concrete on the streets and allowing people to move but they also do a lot of killing and people in Mosul I'm not living there but I hear that they say the following they say what we are living today inside Mosul given the fact that the number of people in Nineveh are more than 2 million people and there are women and children and some of them stayed out of fear and others stayed because they had no money to leave but some of them say the current situation for me is okay but they're all afraid of a decisive moment that will arrive and that is the war between ISIS and those who want to liberate Nineveh and those who will pay the price are the innocent civilians always because in wars this is what happens usually in wars when will Nineveh be liberated the liberation campaigns after Salahuddin had to face one of two choices either move to Nineveh or move to Anbar and the decision was to go to Anbar because there was American interest we cannot deny that and it was perhaps a bit easier to go to Anbar and if Anbar and Beiji and Salahuddin will be liberated then it will be easier to liberate Nineveh it will come eventually we don't know when we cannot set a time frame especially given the surprises that we see happening every day but we hope that within the next few months it will be liberated and once again we cannot liberate Nineveh without the assistance of the residents of Nineveh they need to stand up against ISIS allow me to ask how can the people of Nineveh rebel against ISIS when we see the Iraqi army running away from ISIS this is a real question I'm from Mosul and for the How did you respond? How did you kill the leader of Anbar? How did you How did you fight the people of Anbar? How did you fight the people of Anbar? How did you fight the people of Anbar? How did you fight the people of Anbar? How did you how did you fight the people of Anbar? How did you fight the people of Anb through ISIS? How did you fight the citizens of Anb? How did you fight the remains of you? how did you The people and the people are under the control of ISIS, but they are waiting for the final moment which they will be talking about to the Liberation Army. And they are there. And this is an unanswered issue. And there must be a moment of fear or fear that exists for those who face ISIS because they are human, just like the others are human. But we need opportunities and an opportunity and a vision for reform. And this is one of the possibilities. Yes, it is possible. I look at the issue from the Kurdish side. The reality of the city of Mosul, not anywhere in the world, where it is currently liberated from 12 criminal cases, without any administration. And this is how life is like. You are being controlled by a natural way of life, despite the problems of the refugees and the problems which have progressed through the lack of control and the lack of message. The message is not only about the revolution, it's also about our eyes. The city of Mosul is now liberated from three sides, from the western side and the north and the east side. and the support of the Peshmerga forces. The Peshmerga forces were able to stop the first attacks of Daesh by making sure of the help of the Al-Hulafa Al-Jawiya. And this help, was a thank-you, it had a good effect. And at that time, the effect that we needed. So, the Peshmerga is currently, as I said, three times the power of the Al-Muzal, but not by the power of the Peshmerga. And it is not good for the Peshmerga to be one of them to enter the Al-Muzal's religion and to work on the Al-Muzal's liberation or the fighting within the Al-Muzal. First of all, the Al-Muzal of the city has its own specialty, and the city is a large civil center. The Al-Muzal's liberation work requires education and education, and it requires the participation of all living beings, and this work will be successful. It requires the participation of other Iraqi living beings, and it requires the participation of the Al-Muzal's people, and it requires the participation of the most effective Al-Hulafa Al-Jawiya. So, we are able to move towards Al-Muzal and to be the less vulnerable citizens. Okay, oh, we have several questions. I'll start here, and then we'll work our way around. I'm going to group them in three only because of our time, so we'll start with the first question here and then gentlemen there and this lady here. Loh El-Khateeb from Iraq Energy Institute. For the past 90 years, since the foundation of the new state of Iraq, the first 80 years, Iraq tried its luck with a central regime, whether it's during monarchy, post-monarchy, and over that, Iraq experienced with at least 10 coup d'etats, uprising, et cetera, which is very much abnormal kind of like behavior for a state to experience any stability. Post-the-regime change of 2003, Iraq tried its luck with federalism, I would say 10 years after the referendum on the federal constitution. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you for the question on because of time. The question is based, I mean, with regards to the shape of the state, there's a big question on what is Iraq? Is it central state? We still have the applications, the practices on centralism. Is it a federal state still just on paper while all factions and politicians still talking confederalism? So isn't about time for politicians and senior leadership to have a candid dialogue to discuss the twin challenges of Iraq, which is identity and geography? Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, gentleman here. My question is to the ambassador. The United States, why did it leave Iraq in this dire situation? Why did it leave Iraq in such a situation? And his excellency, the ambassador, he was an ambassador in Iraq and he used to support the politicians who did this to the country. He's one of the people, all the ambassadors, all the U.S. ambassadors, they used to transmit to their administration a description of the situation. The main reason is that the deputy Qasem Sulaimani is dealing with Iran from Iraq. So is there a situation, intelligence situation, military situation, is it this bad in the United States? I think we're talking about an American failure, not an Iraqi failure because the Americans failed whereas others... So we'll start with these two ladies here. So is Iraq a central state, a federal state, a confederal state? We can say it's a hybrid system. When the constitution was written, it talked about a federal system. But since there is only one region or regional government, of course through the constitution, a government can become a region or a government can join a region. But this didn't happen. There were attempts. There are requests from Al-Anbar, from Al-Anbar, from Salah-e-Din. But the fact that it did not happen on the ground doesn't mean that we deny it because it is possible, according to the constitution. Now we are using a decentralized system. We have just promulgated a law that will transform eight ministries into the governors, which means that we will give more powers to the current governors, eight ministries. Eight very important ministries will be moved to the governorates. So we cannot talk about a transformation from a strong centralized system to a widely decentralized system without going through phases. We have not gone through those phases yet. So this is the system that is in place now. There is a committee to amend the constitution. It will look into this, into the positive and negative characteristics and hopefully come up with an acceptable solution. According to the constitution, we are a federal system. But now it is not a homogeneous or asymmetrical federal system because there is only one region, one federal region. There was supposed to be several federal regions, or at least a Kurdish region and an Arab region. If this is not possible, then we can't have, then it's possible to have several regions, one Kurdish and the other one could be Sunni, Shi'ite, et cetera. This is the right way to apply true decentralization and to avoid problems and to avoid friction between the different factions or parties. Each region will be completely responsible for its management and federal issues will be limited. And so the amount of problems will also be limited. But the more we try to apply federalism and decentralization properly, the more we can remove Iraq from its problems and remove on the way to solving deeply rooted problems in Iraq. Unfortunately, during the first period, the Sunnis rejected federalism. And the Shi'ites accepted federalism. But now we see the situation has been turned around. It is the Shi'ites who don't want federalism and the Sunnis who want it. If we want Iraq to remain unified, there needs to be equality between the different groups. We need to have justice in Iraq, justice for everyone. There has to be a decentralized system, a truly decentralized and federal system. Otherwise, the problems will increase. Well, one could phrase it that way, but we don't live there. So if Iraq fails, rather obviously, it's ultimately going to be an Iraqi failure from which we will all suffer and for which we will all pay. And that's why I was saying earlier, whatever anyone thinks of the original decision to invade Iraq in 2003, that's why we have PhD programs. So generations of young people can write PhD theses on should we or shouldn't we. It doesn't matter because we did. I have said for years, I've learned maybe two things in 40 years in the Middle East. The first is be careful what you get into. The law of unintended consequences and 40th order reactions. The second thing is be even more careful what you get out of. That the consequences of disengagement can be graver than those of engagement in the first place. And arguably, we didn't pay attention to either rule with respect to Iraq. But you can't rewind the movie. The invasion happened. The challenge now is how to bring Iraq to a better place. So we don't have a failure in Iraq and in the region that threatens all of us. And that, I would submit again, is through a return of US political engagement at a sustained and senior level. You do not end the war simply by withdrawing your forces from the battlefield. You simply give the space to other forces that you're probably not going to like very much, like General Soleimani and the militias and Daesh. There is still time and opportunity to help Iraq to a better course. But it is going to take a different American policy in my view. Our very final question before we wrap up. So yeah, no, you can go ahead. I think the mic is taking its time. One question. My question is to Sir Jaburi. We know that there have been a budget dispute between the KRG and the central government. I'd like to know what the reason for that is. And especially because the Kurdish forces, the Peshmerges, have been the major forces fighting on the ground. And as a result of the budget dispute, we have had to have local fundraisings to provide for them. And that is also a tragedy. So I'd like to know the reason for that. What's the reason for that? If I were to defer the question to His Excellency Deputy Prime Minister, he should be able to tell us and to see whether or not he really represents the government or KRG. Well, it's my nature. Building on my personal history, I always go for the truth. I can never agree more, the speaker says. Anyways, Mr. Saleem has already explained his legislative role because he was in charge of passing the budget law, which included striking an agreement or a deal between the KRG and the central government on fiscal matters and on all your revenues. Had it been enforced or implemented as should be, we would have been able to do away with one key problems among or inter-alia numerous huge problems we're suffering. Now, the agreement between the region, I.E. KRG, entails that we provide the Iraqi government through the Turkish ports with 550,000 barrels of oil a day and 250,000 barrels that are the products of oil fields in the KRG and 300,000 barrels of oil produced from Kirkuk to be pumped through the new pipeline that was paid for by the Kurdistan region in order to pump the oil to the Turkish seaports. In return, the Iraqi government, as it is already stipulated in the budget law, the central government should transfer the region's share. Mind the time, please, the moderator says. However, there is an additional point is that the federal government has to help the KRG to complete the infrastructure needed to transport the required quantities. And of course, the infrastructure was not ready by the beginning of the year in order to pump 200,000 barrels a day. After four months, the two sides were able together to make available the infrastructure in its complete format. And now, KRG can now export 600,000 barrels a day and to be paid to the revenues of which to be paid to the central government at the outset. KRG paid to the central government about one quarter of its share of the budget. So it sounded as if the federal government has bought KRG oil exports, if we might say so, because due to the limited capacity of the infrastructure available, the pipeline. But later on, when the KRG was able to follow through on its commitments, the federal government only paid 30% to 40% only of the KRG's share of the budget. So this has taken us steps backwards and created new tensions that were pointless. The two sides have to stick to the agreement as is to solve the problems.  We're already two minutes late. I want to thank you. I want to thank our speakers. There is so much to discuss on Iraq that we could be here for another two days. So I want to thank our speakers for their honesty and their very direct answers. Thank you.


Hi everyone and welcome to the February 2021 edition of the CNCF end user technology radar. I'm really excited to be here with our radar team to share with you the results from the CNCF end user community. So, here we go. A little bit about me. My name is Cheryl. I'm the VP of Ecosystem at CNCF. And my mission is to really help end users be successful as they're adopting Kubernetes, Prometheus, Envoy and all of the other open source cloud native tools. You can find me at my blog or at my blog oysherald.com or on Twitter at Oysherald. The CNCF end user community is a group of more than 140 companies spanning some of the smallest, most innovative startups all the way up to the biggest global household names. And these are the companies that are using cloud native technologies to deliver their applications and services. So without further ado, let's go into the technology radar. First of all, let me please introduce the February 2021 radar team. First off, I have Steve. Hi Steve. Hi. So I'll introduce myself briefly. I'm a site reliability engineer at RStudio. At RStudio we're looking to, we're building out a cloud IDE platform for data scientists. And we're obviously doing so with as many cloud native technologies as possible. I'm looking to add more all the time. Nice. Good stuff. And we have Andrea. Please introduce yourself. Hello everyone. My name is Andrea. I'm an engineer and co founder at Outkeys. Outkeys is a company that is offering authorization as a service in the cloud. I used to be an embedded engineer for more than a decade. And then Outkeys was my opportunity to turn into cloud native aware technologies. At Outkeys, we really consider cloud native technologies as the future. That's the reason why we joined CNCF as an user. And that's one of the reasons why I'm here participating at this radar team. Fantastic. And we have two more who were part of the radar team, but unfortunately couldn't join the recording for today. So I want to thank them for their input and their hard work on compiling this radar. So first of all, the topic was secrets management. Andrea, why did you choose secrets management for the topic? And tell me a little bit about what is secrets management. Okay. When we started with this radar team task, we had to choose a topic. Many, many of them were quite interesting, but we ended up choosing a secrets management, especially because, yeah, from my point of view and from my company point of view, security is a focus in our business. We're basically selling authorization in the cloud. So we have to orchestrate a lot of services. Many of them are exposed. And whenever you have to coordinate all these services, you need to deal with how each of them authenticate with each other. So secrets are at the base of this, of this mechanisms, and as soon as a company needs to automate its operation process, it needs to deal with how to store secrets. So secrets management is basically the set of techniques that are used for keeping those secrets safe, usually by storing them somehow encrypted somewhere. Yeah, we choose to focus our radar on this topic because it's not that easy as it can appear at first glance. So that's basically why we had this decision to focus on secrets management for the radar, for this month's radar. Steve, anything you want to add? I don't think so, I think he did a great job. Okay, awesome. All right, so a reminder for what this technology radar looks like. So the goal of the technology radar was to survey the end user community and ask the people as a community, what do you currently use and recommend internally for your own company. And there are three main options. So adopt, meaning we clearly recommend it, we've run it, we've used it for a long time and it's pretty stable, pretty mature. Trial, meaning we've used it with some success. So if you have a need for this, then you should be looking at this tool. Or assess, meaning we've tried it out, we think it's promising. Maybe it doesn't cover every use case or maybe it's not quite mature yet. But you should consider it anyway. And then there was a fourth option that people could choose which was hold, hold meaning we don't use this solution anymore. We recommend something else. And then the goal is to look across all of the companies in the end user community and put those tools into one of these three categories. So this time let me start with Steve. When you went into this what did you expect. Sure. So I, I think my expectations were potentially a little naive in that I, in looking at the space of secrets management, I mainly expected organizations to be using the offerings by the public cloud that they were already in. It's obviously a much easier, much easier choice to adopt just essentially a separate set of APIs from the same public cloud that you're already using if you are embedded in a public cloud if you're using a single public cloud it's kind of an easy choice, or at least in my view. It seems like a very easy choice to just adopt it. You know, a new small piece, a new small service that is that is offered by those clouds. Is that what you're doing our studio. And in some way shape or form yes, that's at least one of the ways that we that we manage secrets definitely is as a small team that's kind of an easy pickup to just use an additional service from a public cloud and to build out our own in-house tool or adopt an additional tool that we have to run, take care of, maintain. Andrea what about you, what did you expect. Speaking for myself, I really expected a lot of fragmentation in this kind of survey. This is probably coming from a light survey that we and the light investigation that we did in the past for for our company on the topic. So I'm not really surprised that we had very spread answers and many, many tools or frameworks that have been named by the people participating to the radar. The expectation was that in in this very fragmented landscape, we could have found anyway some direction. And that that's what we ended up with. We will see later. Yeah. Okay, so our next step was to survey those the end user community and ask them what were they using for secrets management. We actually had a lot more answers, a lot more solutions than this as Andrea you were saying there were a lot there were a lot of different frameworks here. We ended up I think cutting off here because we felt like there wasn't enough data to really justify kind of making a decision on it. And also if I remember correctly, AWS was originally split into a couple of different options right. So, Andrea or Steve, do you want to talk about why we ended up collapsing those. So I think that we were partially motivated to collapse AWS. There were definitely more of AWS is discrete secrets like services and we collapse them in part because AWS has made the choice to make each piece of secret management, a separate service in their in their public cloud offering and it definitely skewed the results. Since there was huge numbers of adoption, simply by virtue of it, not anyone service handles each of the, each of the parts of secrets management that a typical organization may want to use. So we had a lot of results where a single company was using all of the AWS secrets services and ended up kind of skewing the vote count towards their offerings. Yeah, that's right so we did collapse them just so that this wouldn't end up being you know five or six different AWS tools right. And Steve from the votes here same as we saw on the last slide green means adopts the blue is kind of trial yellow as assess and then gray as hard. So these are the results that we got from the end user community, and then our next step was to basically decide from these tools, which ones did we think overall the community would have recommended as adopts or trial and assess. This is where we ended up landing. So, Steve wonder, do you want to comment on this. More than commenting on how this happened to be distinguished between adopting trial with which was kind of a discussion in terms of number of votes to to consider for for the different categories. There's a point that is, is not possible to see from this table. There's a solution that in reality is probably in a terogeneous set of solutions, which is everything on grown. There were some some meaningful votes in the poll, which we're referring to in our solution for secrets management. We choose not to represent them in this final result table, because they are definitely a solution which are quite different from each other so we, we ended up after a discussion between the team that it was necessary to to investigate farther if we wanted to expose which which of these technologies were kind of interesting for for others potentially when you when you have to do when you can when you face all made solution it's usually something that is very difficult to to use for others because they're very usually tailored to to specific situation. That's something I wanted to point out because it's not in the table but it was something that came out from the poll anyway so I can definitely add to that I think, as we've kind of alluded to a handful of times there was a really long tail of tools that were used here and that were reported as being in use. And so while it's pretty obvious from the votes which which of these tools made sense as adopt the the remaining tools that's where there was a little there was a little less obviousness out of them. And because that the tail was so long and there were so many votes spread across so many different solutions that that there we kind of had to use a bit of judgment, going down and where to really stop in this list. Okay, great stuff. Okay. This is what the final radar looks like. So in the adopt section we had Hashi court vote AWS secrets manager certificate manager, and AWS KMS. In trial, we had bit Nami sealed secrets and encrypted repositories and in assess we ended up with gcp secrets management and sops. Next up, I wanted to ask the radar team from looking at the data that people submitted and from your own experience and what you were expecting going into this. What did you find surprising or interesting or noteworthy themes to point out. So Steve and Andrea and the team put together for themes for us and I'd like us to talk a little bit about those now. So the theme is vault and the theme is that vault has the broadest adoption across many companies and many industries. So Steve, why don't you start. So, I can, I can say myself and a handful of the radar members were were very surprised at the fact that there was such widespread adoption of vault. Not because it's not an extremely useful tool but simply because it has a pretty high cost of entry. It's, it's operational burden is, is generally much larger than some of the other, some of the other tools on this list. And so we were, I personally was pretty, pretty confused to see this. But then when we start when we once we started talking a little bit deeper about it we started realizing that, you know, this makes this actually makes a lot of sense. I think it is, it has an extremely strong showing because it does a lot of what the other tools do but in a cloud agnostic way, if organization if organizations are split across multiple cloud providers. If they have large footprints in multiple clouds or on prem vault is a is a pretty is a pretty great tool in order to, in order to solve that problem because it's comprehensive, and it doesn't require any more vendor lock in, in a particular public cloud, obviously, being able to be used on prem, you know, across multiple cloud offerings without having to change tactics. We also, we also kind of came through with this idea that this broader adoption really kind of makes sense when you put it in the context of offering it as an alternative to an in house solution, rather than everyone going off and doing their own secrets management tool vault is a great tool for that is very comprehensive and is able to kind of allow people to to simply adopt it, and it's set of requirements and rather than having to go off and write a write a solution for each new secret problem that they have so that can definitely to a higher adoption rate and screen. Cool. Okay, in that case let's go on to the second theme. Andrea, I'd like you to comment about this one. So after vault organizations tended to use the native solutions from their public cloud provider. Yeah, as Steve already pointed out before this. This was something that we expected when we choose the, the topic for for the radar. I tried to reason a little bit around the motivation for this. And, of course, we, we ended up considering that the cloud, the cloud providers native solutions are usually the closest to to the user so they're the definitely one of the first choices if they end up being covering the needs that the user has they are probably the faster to to bring up. So this is something expected. We also took some time to discuss about these results in term of the potential lock in effect that it can. It can have on on a company decision, which of course is already the choice of cloud provider. Yeah, so probably we ended up saying that there are two different type of organization, those that are split across different cloud providers already considered the locking problem in depth and they probably ended up choosing an agnostic tool for for for the secret for the secret management needs smaller companies which are at their first cloud native experiences are more likely to stick with the solution provided by by their their their cloud providers. That's what we we we put into evidence. And what do you do at off keys because off keys is pretty small right. Yeah, that's pretty small. We are sticking with the solution that are kind of naive in this in this in this scenario because the team is very small. So, secret security is is mostly managed by encrypted repositories encrypted that data within repositories. We are not yet concerned about sharing the content of repositories across teams. So, we are good enough for now, but of course we are looking at more structure solution for the future because the problem will come up as soon as the team grows and we have the need to give different visibility to to to secrets to different different teams so it's something we are working on so the radar is definitely a good opportunity to to figure out what what others that are bigger than us already went through. Cool, thank you. Okay, yeah, let's talk about certificate manager because this one is perhaps a little bit different. Steve, what do you think about certificate manager becoming popular. On this radar we noticed it popping up popping up a lot and it was definitely surprising because it's relatively new and it, it's not a general purpose tool, or, and it doesn't have like a general purpose solution for many different secret aspects. But it is one of the things that we kind of that we kind of returned from this is that because it has really tight integration with Kubernetes. It can not only be seen as an easy quick pickup for those who are already using Kubernetes when it comes to managing certificates. But, but also that it kind of leads us to believe that certificate management is a really high concern it's top of mind for those who are adopting Kubernetes and so that certificate manager kind of comes along in, even though it is relatively new because it's because it solves a specific problem in a simple way. For those that are using Kubernetes it's a it's a it's a really, it was a really rapid and easy choice for that ecosystem. Okay, let's go to our fourth theme. Other solutions in the space are fragmented across various levels of maturity and complexity. Andrea, over to you. Yep. Yeah, as mentioned, as mentioned before we, we ended up with very spread data from the pool. And this, this was in part expected at least from my point of view. But we also consider it that some of the solution appear to be a different level of maturity complexities of course another aspect that is probably responsible for some company to to steer towards some solution instead of others. So what we ended up resuming on this on this aspect is that there is probably not not already a best practice for managing secrets. This is probably something that can come up in the future because secrets management is not rocket science. It's basically encryption and good practice in workflows. So it's probably something that is in my opinion and I guess all the radar team also said something like this, it's going to converge into more concrete best practices for the future so it's an ongoing process and it's probably something that is, it's not steady at the moment. Okay, yeah thank you for that. Steve or Andrea. Any other thoughts, comments, takeaways that you want to make on your radar. I think so I think that's covered. I think we have been exhausted. And then just one final questions you so how did you actually find the experience of creating this radar. I let Steve answer first. I enjoyed it. I thought it was, it was an interesting process to go through. It's, it's interesting to see that amongst CNCF community members. There is an inherent goal not to reinvent the wheel and taking through that kind of getting a chance to participate in the radar and see that a lot of a lot of different organizations have a lot of different sizes are are implementing solutions around the topic in the same fashion or in a handful of the same fashions is really promising and and being able to participate in this kind of and perpetuate that notion of not having to reinvent the wheel because there are some, some tools that are ready and able to be adopted by by organizations looking to solve the same problems this has been really great. And sharing Steve's thinking. And I couldn't have said it better. I'm glad that I'm very thankful, thankful to CNCF for the opportunity to participate in this in this task in this radar in task it was very enjoyable to create a small team in a short time and yeah being able to to to share our experience and and at the same time to be working on this data and and figuring out what the main threads were and and the main themes that came out from from the survey so really great experience and I'm very happy to to be part of it. Steve and Andrea and the other two members of our radar team. I really want to thank you for your time and and putting your thoughts and effort into this it's been really fun to work with both of you. So I really appreciate it. Thank you. Last but not least, if you want to check out previous editions of the radar you can go to radar dot CNCF dot IO. So far we've had three editions on database storage observability and continuous delivery. So please go and check those out. And then if you want to get involved. We want to really reflect what people care about what the wider community is thinking about. So if you want to help decide what the next topic for the next radar will be you can go to CNCF dot IO slash tech dash radar. This is just a GitHub issue where you can put in something that you're interested in you can vote up and down and the next radar team will take a look at that to see what people are interested in hearing about. Please, if you also come and join the end user community if you are currently using cloud native, you can contribute towards the future radars you can come and be part of the radar team. So just check it out CNCF dot IO slash end user. And then last but not least, I'm always looking for ways to make this more valuable and usable and easy to understand. So if you have any feedback about how we're producing the radars or anything you'd love to see more of a bit less of just send an email to info at CNCF dot IO. So that is the end of this edition of the radar so once again Steve and Andrea. It's been a pleasure to have you on and talk to you today. So thank you so much. Thank you for your time with mine. Thank you Sherry for for managing this team and helping out with with making it so so nicely working and to I say bye bye to everyone and stay tuned for the next radars. I echo all of that. Thank you so much.