Ooh, we're live Excellent, so we shouldn't discuss our plan to take over the daily tech news show as French people anymore You're gonna do the same joke for the video people. That's kind of you I was planning on doing it for the live show as well, but yeah, sure. Why not a triple threat now third time's a charm Patrick that that that would be silly Tom, of course twice works three times would be way too much So those of you watching either the youtube video or are watching live You'll notice that we have a wonderful guest founder and CEO connect things will be joining us once we start the show proper Patrick How do you properly say leticia's name? Leticia or the full name is it leticia gazelle antoine? Perfect. Yes. All right. Do you want me to say it? I will imitate Patrick. Okay? Now I can say it and then you could just mock my pronunciation. It's totally fine. Okay, that's perfectly fair. I Make you say English names all the time. It's entirely fair All right, you guys ready? Yeah, let's go ahead and get started a little early here So I think we've got everything in place. I build in a little padding time just in case somebody has a bad connection or something goes wrong But fingers crossed everything's good today. Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday October 11th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt as it's a Tuesday Patrick Beja host of pixels in the Philius Club joining me. How are you Patrick? I am excellent back in Finland. It's a brisk and energizing is the way I choose to look at it Ah brisk and energizing so you so you're no longer in France You're back in Finland.  I travel. I love that about you We are gonna talk of course about the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 end. It is no longer being produced We'll talk about that a little later on but we're doing we're shaking things up today and Starting with our interview segment because we're very happy to have the founder and CEO of connect things Leticia Gazelle Antoine. How how did I do and saying your name Leticia? Close enough We'll let Patrick say it from now on. Thank you for joining us today. It's a pleasure to have you along. Thank you connect things if I'm getting this right is involved in helping Governments and cities and public organizations to create Smarter cities is that right? Yes, it's right. We we Provide and deploy Beacon networks throughout the cities or Public space like airport stadium City mall and we Based on this beacon that we have deployed Across big cities, so we are in 30 cities today in Europe one in South America with a Rio de Janeiro And just starting here in the US We we rent the beacon to any mobile application that get a that is interesting in this local interaction in the city So I know a lot of our listeners will be familiar with beacons from Apple and iPhone and malls And that's usually where they hear them discussed. Tell us an example of how your company is using these in City situations. Yes, so we are very focused on the smart cities and Mailing on transport so best of by train system station train station airport where we deploy beacons at the transportation hub at the best stop and For example, we the beacon is when you arrive at the bus stop 20 meters of the bus stop you are It trigger your mobile application the bus application that will give you the next bus arrival time But also if the bus is arriving in more than 15 minutes, for example, you will receive also a notification So it open your by sharing application that bike is available just close to 20 meter from here or one with it So this is a kind of use case where it's not only just triggering and opening a mobile application in the city when you need it but it's really with a contextual Interaction that mean that we will not wake up by sharing system application if there is no bike around So this is an example. So and you can I You we have a retail example where if you are waiting at the bus stop and then you can grab a coffee just next door Then we can wake up your Starbucks application to get the coffee and because it is minus 10 So it's a good and then and then maybe it'll tell you when the bike finally gets returned and you can go grab it What what are some oh Patrick go ahead? Oh I was I was gonna ask You know a lot of people when we discuss the internet of things and you know smart city cities in general We sort of have a vague idea of what they are and I think you're you're giving us a few examples of what exactly could mean with a system of beacons that are relatively easy to deploy you place the beacons and then the phones have contextual knowledge of where they are and what's close to them and There are other you know types of devices as well that in become that help cities become smarter Are there some things that you can look for beyond the beacons? And that can help cities from a an infrastructure standpoint what you're telling us about sorry I'm just gonna finish quickly what you're telling us about is very a Cell phone user centric, but I think there are also Fantasies of smart cities that goes even beyond that. What is are there examples you can give us of that? Yes. I think that Few years ago smart city was more Concepts than something real and now we have a real use case and real example of smart city. I think that's now We are at a point where the new technology Can help the city to face to meet the challenge I face so We have very clear example like uber or like LBNB They are part of the smart city and they can exist because you have now we are now at a point where the technology the recommendation system can the data Learning and son can make this service services happen so you are right Smart city is not just an interactivity with the beacon in the city is much more than that and for me a smart city Will is a city that? Will create Will give the capacity to all these new service to happen in a city That means the city will not be the one that provides a service. They will not create birds They will not create the LBNB. They will not be Manage all the sensor of the city. They will not Create autonomous car car sharing services, but the the role of the city is to create the Ecosystems infrastructure to welcome these services and This is not just technology. It's also legal issue. It's also how do I feel not finance my smart city and so on? So I think that the first example of the smart city we we had in the past was around data where city smart if It has a sensor To make the measurement in the city. So it for me It's the first stage and now we have more and more Industrial solution to get data to have the city to decide if she has to invest in New road or how it manages the energy and so on and now we are And that's where beacons are interesting. We are at a certain level. Well, it's not only a question of I measure I measure my city, but it's also how can I engage the cities and the traveler gives them more information when they need it and this is where a beacon or Display that you can see in the street Stop to make some sense and give some services. I think one of the things people hear about oh go ahead Patrick again, please Sorry, because you mentioned something that is very You know important for the the French people that we are And that's the government. I mean we're reading about some of the things for the the internet of things in cities like Sensors that can tell we you know when garbage cans are full to help the collection services Plan their routes in more efficient ways and you know all of those things Do you think having the knowledge you have about? Smart cities and and how they work. Do you think it's possible to develop this kind of infrastructure? Without having the government Involved in a heavy way or is it you know inevitable because I know that the American audience that are listening Many of the listeners are gonna think well, let's keep the government out Until it's absolutely necessary to have it But it seems to be like this kind of thing needs the government to coordinate or at least Legislate for things to work well. I think that The government As soon as people you know today more than half of the population live in the city and in 20 years there will be 70% of the world population not only in the US But but in the world population that will live in the city So do you have more and more people in the city? So there is a way you can do things without the government, but welcoming people creating a school building area economic zone and so on you need you need at the end to have the the government involved and yes in a way it's Working with government making them moving is very long. It's like a lot of time But I think that that's why now the cities Are Taking the concept of smart cities. They are aware of that but they need they need to move So if we're thinking of a scenario where the city and we hear about this a lot when we talk about things like Google Fiber The city works to ease the legal requirement make sure that the infrastructure can be built But another company comes in and builds the infrastructure that can be taken advantage of one of the biggest questions We get from people in our audiences. How do you protect my security and privacy? Then you have private companies you have governments How do you make sure that I? My data will be secure that while I'm waiting for that bus my bus pass doesn't get hacked into Or that I'm not being tracked and and without my permission. Everyone knows where I'm going So so from a beacon perspective At the way we the system today in terms of security is working we as a beacon is something just Broadcasting an idea. So there is no connectivity where you can That you can act Used to act a system. So it's it's always in the mobile phone So it's I would say the traditional mobile application that the is an e that gives The information but you are right. So those are Part where you have sensor connected sensor. You have sick folks Laura and so on there are I would say Internet Connection they get from for information and it's a bigger. It's a big subject in the city. So We need to do and the city are the first ones that want to protect the cities and We need to do anything we can to protect the privacy of anyone and it's Yeah, and as we've seen recently, you know, making sure that devices that do have connections You know, especially those smartphones and those apps that are taking advantage that those are secured that anything with sensors and any connectivity is secured Is getting more attention With the Krebs denial of service attack and things like that It's just like Everyone is kind of Figuring it out still from everything we're discussing it seems we're still in the early stages Maybe, you know, two three four years ago smart cities were kind of an idea We were realizing that we could do something with it And now we're in the stages where we were kind of figuring out What can you do with beacons and additional context information and smartphones and everything and what can you do with sensors? Is that an accurate? Representation of where the world of IOT and cities is right now. We're figuring things out So not everything is set or are we past that already and things are getting on their way right now? All right, I think that we are the beginning of the smart cities of the service. So it's accurate I mean that that Three years ago The smart city was a concept with maybe a city like Barcelona, which is In advance compared to a lot of cities, but now more and more each city is different So each city will have is proper Way to integrate smartness in the city But I think that we have now for the two past years a concrete project and we are still learning that's true in term and we Containing the data there is a lot of data that can be used by the city, but we are just at the beginning of something So it will help us. It'll help us move around better. It will help us Find opportunities manage our time better and any other Before we wrap up What what do you think the biggest benefit the average person in a city would get once this? Infrastructure starts to roll out and and starts to be taken its best advantage I mean be can infrastructure or or any smart. Yeah, the smart city infrastructure in general. I think it's all all the Transportation will will change a lot It's because of the city creating a transportation hub There were an interesting and smart city challenge that's a US DOT launch at the end of last year there is 77 city that answer it and Both of them propose infrastructure Transportation hub to welcome new way of of transportation. So Car sharing system Autonomous by vehicle Uber and so on and I think that This is clearly for the benefit of the traveler of people moving in the city So so the city are redesigned to to hell to have a better life in a daily basis every day in the in the city, so it's a It's not a I say what since what I say it's not only measurement today It's also really how can I improve the the life of everyone? Yeah Well, I hope that you and others working on this help make my city smarter in the future Thank you for joining us Appreciate it. You can you can find out more about connect things at connect things calm anything else to tell people about before we let you go Leticia We will we are the tech sponsor of the tech week this week in New York So we have a several panel around smart city where we explore this subject to so Interesting, please come. It's on the 13. Yeah, if you're in New York check it out on the 13th at tech week Thank you again, leticia. I really appreciate you joining us. Thank you again. Bye. Bye. Thank you All right first the good news before we get into the top story Samsung has a new 14 nanometer chip for wearables with an LTE modem built-in Patrick and Samsung's art PC pulse desktop has been announced. It's a cylindrical PC runs Windows will have support for expansion models starts at $1,200 So Yeah, how long do you think until people stop asking if the thing that Samsung produces will explode or not? Neither of these things neither the 14 nanometer chip modem nor the cylindrical desktop are expected to explode But yeah, that's the good news and now the rest of the top stories As Samsung announced it will halt sales and production of the galaxy note 7 You'll see people saying it permanently it is essentially permanently no one expects them to restart The note 7 in fact there's questions on whether they'll ever make anything branded note again at this point The move comes after at least five reports of overheating and fires caused by the new Supposedly fixed note 7 replacement devices both the Korea Agency for Technology and Standards and the United States Consumer Product Safety Commissioning have issued their own warnings not to use any of the note 7s new or old due to safety concerns Owners are urged to turn the phones off and return them to the place of purchase all the major carriers Have exchange programs in place at this point in related announcements Oculus said they are turning off the gear VR app for note 7s So that you can't have a note 7 working with gear VR and have it that close to your face An XDA developers says that Samsung sent them a return kit for the galaxy note 7 The kit includes gloves a static shielding bag to throw your phone in which is kind of normal for these return kits But three boxes the outermost box lined with ceramic fiber paper, which is a fireproof paper So no one's taking any chances and Samsung is no longer as they were a couple of days ago saying we don't know what the cause is But we think it's fine. They've they've they've they've shut it all down Patrick This is a huge huge step because last last week when we heard about the Southwest Airlines I said look it could be just a lithium-ion battery this happens in rare cases and there's enough of them out there It could be that or it could be that this replacement device is bad and it turns out the replacement device was bad And there have been five instances now of replacement devices catching fire You know, I went into the weekend last week thinking, you know Samsung did a good job on this. They went in front of the issue. They managed the crisis. They replaced everything Yes, there's this one story of some Chinese person having an issue but we don't know where the phone came from and we shouldn't jump to conclusions and then I woke up on Sunday and It was mayhem because we had not only Three at that point and then five during the day instances, but also that email from a Samsung employee apparently that was mistakenly sent to a person that was having issues where In essence the employee discusses the fact that he knows there's a problem But was asking to his, you know, colleagues apparently whether they should do something about it or wait to see what the Customer was going to do. We don't have all the details But it seems pretty clear from the email that they knew there was a big problem with the new phones Then I think the note brand is dead We've seen a lot of this in the, you know, different analysis in the past couple of days There's no way that Samsung can put out a note a note eight now. It's you know, everyone It's it there are even questions I think it's a little bit exaggerated But there are questions on whether or not Samsung's phone business is in danger. It's certainly taking a hit It's you know, the market share market capitalization of Samsung has taken a huge hit in the past few days And people we know it's the note seven We know it's only a few of them. It's still, you know, very concerning if you have one But a lot of people just know it's Samsung edit Samsung phones. It's the catastrophe Yeah, somebody pointed out in our email and I'm sorry that I don't remember which of you it was It was right before the show Chelsea Handler tweeted out that someone's political campaign was on fire like a Samsung Galaxy seven Not a note seven You know, and maybe that's just a typo, but that is whether it was a typo or not I'm not I'm sure Chelsea Handler knows it was a note seven But it was it was a shortcut that a lot of people are gonna say and you're going to hear people talking about Samsung phones Particularly like oh, but does it catch on fire? And and that is going to be a problem like you say I don't think they could ever come out with another note branded phone And it's going to be something for them to have to combat for their other brand phones as well Yeah, it's gonna be very difficult. I think it was on Twitter. I'm sorry I also don't remember where exactly but someone was telling me about or maybe it was an article About someone who was taking a friend to to work or you know sharing their car and they saw they had a galaxy phone and And a Samsung phone and they said oh, is that a Samsung phone? I don't want it in my car Yeah, and that's that's just wrong There is there is absolutely nothing wrong that we know of about the iPhone about the Samsung Galaxy S7 Right about about the pixel They're they're all perfectly safe It is but but the note seven is not and that's gonna make people start to look a scans at that word Samsung if it's on a phone exactly and by the way the the lithium-ion batteries always have a small chance of You know misfunctioning and and either, you know smoke or burn or explode every phone is it that same position? But it doesn't ever, you know, it happens so rarely that you don't pay attention to it all that much Imagine that this week somewhere in the world a Samsung Galaxy S7 Birds yeah, it happens right because it happens to my phones We're not it just happens in very very rare cases to any battery 2006 members Sony had had laptop batteries Catching on fire that they had to recall and if it happens to any Samsung phone That is not a note 7 in the next couple of weeks Then the phone business for Samsung is in big trouble But someone in an email Mentioned something that I think was was really interesting and I started discussing on Twitter as well earlier today This might provide an opportunity for another phone manufacturer to take the crown in the Android market be it, you know Sony LG One plus who God knows who or even Google maybe with the pixel They are go the Android market is going to be looking for a new best in class phone So yeah Josh wrote in with the email and he was wondering if this could be damaging for Android because so many people associate Samsung with Android phones But even if it's not damaging for Android, is it going to be good for the iPhone? Is it going to be good for the pixel to be able to to move into this market? I don't think it benefits the iPhone as much because the people who like iPhones tend to already have iPhones And they are people who wouldn't have had a Samsung the people who like the note are Definitely going to be looking for another phone And they will probably want to stay in the Android Ecosystem and not all of them but some because they're comfortable with it most of them probably will and then That becomes a question of so that do they move to a pixel? Do they just go to a galaxy s7 because that's easy or or like you say do they do they try a Huawei or an HTC or an LG? Matt is definitely going to be interesting to follow and The next few days and weeks if anything happens. I don't think it's not yeah Yeah, well, no, it's it's what I you're saying what I was saying about that Phone catching on fire on the Southwest Airlines last week, which was hey This is just a really bad if nothing else This is a really bad coincidence because everyone's going to start questioning that seven turned out It wasn't just a really bad coincidence. It was even worse So now now they're in double jeopardy of like you got a hope for that a bad coincidence absolutely doesn't happen I do think Samsung will move past this first of all as we were sort of half joking earlier They make lots of other products. They have a financial arm The Samsung company is is diversified enough and large enough to weather this now Samsung's current Chairman is is ill and his son is running the company his son is Going to have to face the music on this. It'll be interesting to see what happens to him and It's going to be it's going to be difficult for Samsung to navigate out of these waters I think they can last thing I want to say before we move off this story They can do this if they treat everyone right You've got to help Samsung people who bought a bunch of accessories your Samsung Galaxy s8 is going to have to have features That will bring the note users over And you're you're going to have to take responsibility as they have and find and make it very clear to us what happened Because with the first recall they said, ah, well, we we made the thing a little too cramped Whatever if that was the case whatever they tried to do to fix it didn't work So they're going to have to be even more transparent this time and I think they can move past it Tesla had exploding cars at one point. It was a small number of them They fixed the undercarriage and no one talks about Tesla exploding cars and that that's cars, right? That that's a huge thing Sony on the other hand as I mentioned earlier had Lithium ion batteries that were catching fire in their laptops I don't think that's why Sony doesn't make laptops anymore But they did divest themselves with the vio business eventually so who knows well So before we move on and we have to but this is a really big story. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely I have to say the first recall again, I was completely in admiration of Samsung for doing everything right Well, that was wrong, but this time I don't think there they can recover from this They can they're not gonna sink. Samsung is a huge company. They're still gonna be selling phone They're still gonna be doing all of this. However, recovering is not an option anymore They're gonna take a hit especially because you know the recall being the fix being inefficient is bad enough But that email is the really damning Piece of evidence of the fact that there was something that went wrong internally So yeah, I think in order to minimize the dummy the damage, you're right they're gonna have to be very transparent with it what happened and convince everyone that they have fixed that Problem so that people can start trusting them again in one or two or three years And that's good at the very least they're going to lose several billion dollars over this and people are going to lose jobs All right, let's move on Facebook brought its Facebook at work service out of private beta on Monday Officially naming it workplace the service offers familiar Facebook features like the news feed groups chat and live video for corporate use Pricing for the service will be based on monthly active users not strictly per person Pricing starts at three dollars per active user per month for the first thousand users two dollars for the next One thousand and one to ten thousand and one dollar for any monthly active user beyond that So it's an interesting pricing plan there and it kind of backs up what Facebook has been saying where They're less worried about monetizing this right now and more worried about adoption and getting people to use it in the enterprise space That doesn't mean you necessarily give it away free, especially if you're Facebook You just need to get large customers to sign on and making it a little cheaper We'll make it more attractive for them to try it the big question is where does this compete? Is it more competing with Yammer? Is it more competing with LinkedIn? Is it more competing with slack? It's a little bit in all of those spaces And maybe less so with LinkedIn which is more about job search than employment Because this is more of an intranet kind of product But the big advantage that they're touting is hey, everybody knows what Facebook looks like so they'll know how to use this Do you think that's enough? I think it is a really interesting move Especially when you consider that I think the direct competitor for this is slack And slack is is priced at eight dollars per monthly active user by the way they use the same Billing method eight dollars monthly six seventy five six sixty seven Annually so it is significantly cheaper than slack is I think we're gonna see a drop in price for slack that that it's like does have a free tier So that kind of money is the waters But yeah, this is this when you're when you're at a certain level where you're gonna have to pay for slack Facebook starts to look like a better bargain Although I look at slack as an organizational tool And maybe it's because I don't use Facebook as much as I should as a technology correspondent But I look at Facebook as a community as a sort of a message board Communication tool that's like longer term not I need to collaborate with someone right now the way I do in slack Yeah, but the thing is slack is sort of a new kind of tool And it's great for the people who know how to use it But everyone knows how to use Facebook and I don't think what they're looking for at with Facebook What is it called again? Workplace it's just called workplace because you don't want HR saying the word Facebook to people and they set it up I guess I don't know that is true. That is true. So workplace is not necessarily to organize your specific work, but to help companies communicate better internally because you know, that's a disaster anyway, so Actually, maybe both are gonna be used in in in parallel But I do think it's easy to make fun of Facebook at work But it is actually I think it can be a great benefit to to many users and many companies Yeah, no, I think you're right I was thinking along the same lines of I could see using Facebook. I'm sorry using workplace as a sort of The bulletin board, right? That's the place where I have these these conversations that don't need to happen instantaneously We can brainstorm about things just keep up to date on what's happening Who's on what projects things like that whereas slack slack has integrations that Facebook will not have in workplace at this point So I can put docs and Dropbox and and things directly into slack and do instantaneous work I would certainly see Facebook trying to position its messenger app as an adjunct to this down the road But that's not where it is yet The Associated Press reports that Yahoo disabled its email forwarding feature at the beginning of October It only prevents forwards from being added though if you currently have already set up Yahoo mail to be forwarded that will be unaffected those forwards will continue as long as you don't delete that that rule Yahoo pointed the Associated Press to its help page which states the service has been disabled while under development Which I find hilarious email forwarding is a basic service that has been available for most email providers since email existed Certainly back into the 1990s So pulling it does have the effect of making it less smooth to switch to a new email provider If you if you didn't have forwarding already set up and you're like I'm done with yahoo I'm setting up an outlook.com email. Let me just forward all my yahoo mail. Oh, I can't it's a little bit of an impediment there You know, if we didn't have the big the big Exploding phones fiesta of 2016 this would be a tech outrage between this and the security information security mass surveillance you had as many people using yahoo mail As you used to which I know there's a lot of people who do but like myself I use it, but it says a second account almost a throwaway account But but there are a lot of people who still do use it Maybe not as much as others, but it's still, you know, I would guess in the hundreds of millions it's it's a significant email provider and This reeks of shady. It's you know, the surveillance thing from last week and this seem like shady tactics in order to make sure that you look attractive to your financial suitors it's I Can't find the words to express. I mean, there's nothing absolutely certain here But really it's under development that the email forwarding thing as you said it's under development and it's still working for everyone else What are you that doesn't make sense?  I had a fondness for Yahoo I assure you whatever remnant of that was left is now evaporated I think what states volumes though is that this was turned off early October and it took the associated press until yesterday To notice it it was not something that people noticed right away Because most of the people who left Yahoo mail on principle because of the surveillance or because of the hack Didn't have anything worth forwarding into Yahoo mail or they already had forwarding on for some reason and we're sending it some other way So I agree with you on principle. I think in effect doesn't really affect that many that many folks And and if you're wondering if this is all is going to affect Verizon acquiring Yahoo Lowell McAdams spoke out yesterday said we are not backing away essentially But he did make some noises that could be interpreted as we'd kind of like a lower price now because Yeah, it was a little bit of damage goods That was after the surveillance issue wasn't it? Yeah, it was it was yesterday. He made these comments yesterday. Yeah All right, the Wall Street Journal reports Amazon is developing something called project Como to create convenience stores where Amazon fresh customers Amazon fresh customers. That's not fresh Amazon customers. Totally different things Where those customers could buy perishables and pick up orders while Full stores are apparently a year or more away a drive-up location may open in Seattle within weeks Yes, a couple different things that you could do here One is like order things while you're at work and drive up pick them up You don't even have to get out of your car and have your Amazon fresh Just put in your car rather than delivered to your house The other thing is and this is the one that's more a year away Go inside the store grab some eggs, you know, maybe some milk Things that that are that are on on the shelf and and get those right away And then things to you could have delivered to your home like peanut butter and more Things that that could last longer to warehouse. You could actually buy in the store But have them delivered rather than taking them with you Here you don't seem like this is this is something you'd ever see yourself using No, no, I think it's very cool. I love Amazon and as we discussed last week I think Amazon Prime is has become, you know, something that everyone should have if they can afford it but It we've been hearing about these for so long that I think at some point It's something's happening and it's gonna be cool But at some point you're like, all right, we know something is happening there. Let's just yeah, no I want to say this open up But the fact that Amazon has in fact opened retail outlets for bookstores in multiple locations in the United States Makes me have a little more faith in these sort of things and it's the Wall Street Journal reporting it Not a CEO of a mall Just kind of saying it off the cuff in an earnings call like happened with the bookstores Which ended up being true just not at the scale that he had said So yeah, I I think the fascinating I guess why I'm fascinated with these kinds of stories is not so much Weather and when Amazon is doing it But the fact that it looks like this is a strategy that they are pursuing in multiple avenues to say You know what brick-and-mortar locations aren't dead. There are reasons to have them and I'm curious Which of those locations end up being viable which of them end up being something that's worth having Because you know for a long time everybody said well if you can get it delivered then why would you ever leave your house? It's gonna be the end of the mall and that is an overreaction So what are the reasons that we do want to go to a physical location to get things? That's absolutely the interesting part of it and as we've been talking about Amazon has been trying a lot of things in that space and in other spaces You know, they're they've there have been ramblings about them becoming a transportation company as well. It's What I take away from it is how amazing Amazon is at continuing to push things forward for their business You know Amazon is at a stage where they could absolutely have become a Yahoo, for you, you know, that's the example that comes to mind content with what they have trying to do a thing here and there but That especially in the retail, you know online retail business It seems like everything had been done five years ago and they're still pushing in every direction To the point that they're coming back to physical retail, which is amazing. It's just that Another one of those stories a direct comparison is eBay Which hasn't fallen off the map and is even trying to do some innovative things these days But for a while they they seemed to be even if that's not what was happening They seem to be just coasting on the idea of the online auction marketplace Whereas Amazon has never seemed that way. I think it's a fair point I wonder if it's if it has to do with the personality of the leader of those organizations Yeah, right. I'm the leader of eBay left and Jeff Bezos has never left. He's he's stuck around Dating app hinge announced a new app Tuesday emphasizing Relationships rather than dating profiles will include a timeline of photos and facts So that was meant to convey more depth about the person rather than just a stack of selfies users will need to like one and you only get to like one post or comment and then the person who made that post Can decide whether they want to initiate a conversation with you service will cost $7 a month and still use Facebook to match people with friends of friends That's that was hinges first shtick was we're going to match you with friends of friends on Facebook that way It's people in your circle so you can kind of vet them So they're leaving that in place, but really trying to focus on don't just hook up with someone because they have a pretty face See what kind of person you might actually develop a relationship with and in some of these these articles that I've read today Even saying it's it's not just about sexual relationships or romantic relationships. It could be friendships Yeah, that could be interesting. Why not? It's a beautiful idea. I don't know. What's the other dating app? Is the hot one that the kids are all swiping right and left? Yeah, exactly I'm guessing this is a Play for them to differentiate themselves from Tinder because it seems everyone has you know that they have that market cornered and I think there is theoretically at least a need for something that is not just about about hooking up and that seems like a Pretty clever way of doing it. Yeah And I think this is news not because it's an update to a dating app because if you don't date as I don't you don't care about that, but I think it's fascinating as a recognition of something of a maturing of this space where You know for a while it was like ooh, do you date online? That sounds scary and then it became everybody was dating online So which service was the best and was it match.com and then Tinder made it easy And we're seeing another evolution here that says well, maybe it should be beyond just casual dating Maybe you should maybe you should be taking things more seriously and maybe there's a market for that And I think that's a really interesting Way that humanity is evolving in a way at least socially If this ends up taking off, you know, I'd be like actually the The friendship aspect of this because it's been true and it remains true that there are very little ways of using the internet to Connect with people that are close to us. We can connect with everyone in the entire world But there is no way to know no efficient or popular way of making friends in that nearby I know that they exist, you know, but no no break break away breakout hit So maybe that could be a way of at least looking at this problem I think it's interesting that a dating app is taking the tactic of marking itself as deeper more meaningful relationships, you know yeah, and Finally Monday the Oculus touch went up for pre-order until October 30th 199 bucks gets you two controllers an extra camera sensor a rock band VR connector and with the quotes and two bundled VR that titles called VR sports challenge and The unspoken people who pre-ordered the Oculus rift will get their orders prioritized If they use the same email they used to order the rift and order by October October 27th Touch controllers will start shipping on December 6 Oculus's replacement earphones are also up for pre-order for 40 49 bucks shipping December 6 as well This was a super interesting conference did you did you look at the entire conference Tom or I did in fact I think one of the things that is under covered is is that final bit that was sort of not newsy Where and I apologize for blanking on the name, but the idea of virtual reality and what it meant was discussed Like most of these things I thought it was way too long for the information it delivered But I think that of everyone so that's not particular to Oculus But yeah, I thought I thought that was an interesting part of it at the end You know, I think they made it very clear that VR is a vision they have for the next 20 years Zuckerberg came out Mark Zuckerberg came out on stage in the beginning and Pretty much spelled it out in that way saying, you know, we know where we're gonna be in 20 years We know the form factor has to become to change dramatically But there is a long way to go from the technology standpoint and they discussed that as well as the end at the end what really struck me though was the demo he made with his You know inside VR as a social space with two of his friends And I think there were two elements that made it very different from everything. We've seen in VR until now One was the the people were represented by cartoony avatars But what made it work was the facial expression was mimicking what the person was trying to express I don't know exactly how they did it I'm guessing it was camera face recognition or something. Yeah, they talked a little bit of Facebook image recognition magic being used, right? But they didn't detail it But what happened was that when one person was being? Surprised their eye eyebrows and mouth and eyes moved, you know The eyes widened and the eyebrows raised and things like that when they were sad the eyebrows Got Sluffy Snoopy They they look like they were sad they drew to there you go and That was already very it was conveying a lot of the presence that VR enables to to digitize basically digitizing presence is is what we all say about VR the other thing was what the touch controllers We talked about enables which is seeing the people's hands and not just their hands But the hand movements for those who don't know the touch controllers are very different from the existing VR and other Controllers in that they really try to mimic the hands and they have Sensors and buttons that make it so when you point your finger it shows your finger pointing when you open your hand It does that too Etc. Etc. And between the facial expressions and the hand Modelization it made it incredibly lifelike all of a sudden the Presence lights up and you feel like you're there to the point that in the beginning They were showing the images in on stage and then they quote-unquote traveled to the bottom of the ocean and Mars and lots of different places exotic locations like the Facebook office Exactly and by the end of you know the five or ten minutes presentation when Zuckerberg took off his his VR headset I had forgotten he was actually on stage it was Magical in a way that I haven't seen VR be magical for Maybe since the beginning and it's it's still a concept thing But it made me a lot more hopeful than I had been for a while about this technology I mean HTC Vibes controllers do that same thing with the hands But there was something about the way they put it in context that gave it a little more meaning in that and again demo Not something we've tried out so we can't say if you really will have that immersion But yeah, I thought that was an interesting demo and I thought the idea of a hands-free Oculus that you don't have to plug into a computer that they showed off was another compelling Yeah, yeah, it was another compelling direction marker not something we're gonna get our hands on anytime soon either so Yeah, I So you're a believer in virtual reality now Well, so I don't know if I'm a believer, but I'm certainly a lot more curious, I mean, I guess this is a convincing materialization of what VR could be in the next five to ten years and the the the way they're fulfilling the present the the fantasy of Materializing presence is more convincing than it's ever been and the big you know promise of VR is Digitizing presence and making it feel like your presence someone you're somewhere you're not so the fact that they managed to do it was To me taking a step An additional significant step for that technology to be successful in the future All right finish up with a quick note from Elizabeth who got her email about Comcast new data caps We mentioned those last week They estimated in the email that she used a thousand two hundred sixty-three gigabytes a month a little over a terabyte She looked at her own data usage though and the tool she uses to measure her data usage said she uses a thousand one hundred eighty nine Now she says it isn't a big difference But it's enough to change my decision about going unlimited or just paying ten dollars for each extra fifty gigabytes at a thousand two hundred sixty-three What Comcast was saying I'd be paying sixty dollars most months And it would be cheaper to pay for the unlimited plan at a thousand one hundred eighty nine I'm paying forty dollars extra most months, which is less than the unlimited plan so We're going to be seeing more and more of these sorts of things because if they're hitting people with data caps Who are using now that much data? It's likely that those people know how to track their data and there's going to start to be disputes about how it's tracked I Would really like to go on a rant on data caps in general, but honestly, I think I'm rent rented out Between the Yahoo and the end of Samsung and all the things data caps really those questions I understand their valid questions, but they shouldn't happen and you know why they're happening lack of competition Damn it. I'm not I wasn't gonna do you said oh what I said I wasn't gonna do this Yeah, no absolutely. Well, that is it for Daily Tech news show mr. Patrick major. Where can they find more rants? Should they want them? Not many rents, but hopefully some interesting content I guess on Twitter Twitter comm slash not Patrick and Facebook comm slash not Patrick as well is where you can you can find me and French spin comm is where you find my English language shows pixels about video games and the Phileas Club about International politics with people who are actually respectful with one another imagine that But it's it is impressive folks. You got to go check it out. He's not kidding. It actually happens Nuke Jello real quickly in the chat room pointed out that yes Comcast was fine 23 million for billing users for services. They never ordered so maybe maybe there's hope But someday they could they could be stopped from overbilling you for data Want to welcome Roland Roberts brand new patron to the show. 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We have internet The objects the Nope seven I like that good one can promise you can put a put a sensor on it The French connect things Nice for those people who not know there's a movie starring Lex Luthor It's really I say that because I always forget his name gene I like how you're trying to clarify people who might not know the French connection But then say it stars Lex Luthor We built this city on smart things the note is the way seven down I Get seven up seven down Nice smart and all the things I'm making a note here huge recall. That's from Jonathan Strickland the Jonathan Strickland. He's in our chat room The fat lady Samsung good to see Jonathan Strickland 7L of the zone I guess that's Amazon and 7-eleven I am seven of none Smart cities going beyond the beacon The French online connection My city smarter than your city Is winning yeah Friends nearby I know they exist The future VR is 20 years from now And France do they have data berets? France do they have data berets? I don't understand that one. Well, I don't know that you have data hamburgers Yes, yes, we do you do all right and I like super size it to pardon Patrick's French about Yahoo mail Yeah, what do you guys like what's your favorite I? Like the galaxy nope 7 that's pretty funny, but I do I do like the French haps I get it data berets I'm a little slow John Strickland. Oh It's actually pretty clever it was clever for us. Yeah, it was too clever Yeah, that was that's pretty good. I like the galaxy nope 7 but also like the French connect things Let's let we'll let the votes go. I'm still about halfway through level-eating. So lovely La Valet 7 11 is on I guess that's Amazon. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I get it. I got that one Samsung craps out on seven. Ah, I get that one Perhaps a we should go to eight. That'll be good luck at least in China Samsung sneak eyes So I guess we should have asked this in the show do you think They just stop making notes or do you think they make large? Stylus centered phones fablets as they are sometimes called and change the name I Think they should take a one-year break at least But I don't think they will because you can't just hack off You know, they're gonna sell less for sure the the calculation. They're gonna make is let's say we sell half as many That's still more than if we don't make them and they're gonna but they're not gonna be cold note and They're not gonna be I Don't know. I got it. I got it. I totally got it It's the Samsung safe And they market it as being like all of their encryption the Fort Knox stuff But it's also a fablate and then it has that underlying like this one safe won't actually explode Or they could be a little bit less Subtle and call it the Samsung does not explode The Samsung not explode. Well, I mean the No, they've already invested a large amount of Money in like the glasses up so they're gonna reuse it I mean, they can't just toss all of that away so They could conceivably either just recycle those parts into lower spec Tab fablets tablets give it another name like, you know Some something that doesn't conjure up the same Product line so it could be may not even be galaxy. It could be, you know, I know maybe solar Maybe they'll leave the galaxy name behind that that one's always bugged me anyway You know, I think they have to let let's say to Forget the notes haven't for sure forget the note brand Wait for six months and then do the kind of press tour that Steve Jobs did about the antenna You know the antenna gate Invite 30 or 50 journalists or 100 for from Around the world get them a tour of their labs where they explain exactly What the problem was and exactly how they fixed it because now it's pretty good idea They especially the reporter to her part. Yeah, yeah, they if that that way they control the narrative they this, you know, they are the ones who State the terms in which this is going to be discussed when they put out the next film because it is going to be discussed No matter what and if they don't address it then the journalists are gonna be controlling the narrative And they really don't want that. So I think that's the only way they can do it. But What do I know Galaxy sleep, that's what I'm going with the French connect things cool. Is that cool? Yeah, I like that one I Know the clickbaity thing would to be say something about the Samsung note, but But you're not clickbaity trying not to be Every day I try a little harder Patrick To not be clickbaity. Yeah One more day without being clickbait. Well, you've never really been clickbaity. So I mean what I think of myself as having Verged on the clickbaity when I was in charge of headlines at CNET comm But then I think back at the things that we thought were controversial back then and they're so so tame tame. Yeah Ah 2004 a blue iPhone hot Asian phones.  Yeah Wow Nice, I should pull up that spreadsheet one of these days and go through our most effective headlines of 2005 Have this man found to be a great Special for the holiday season. Oh, yeah, I like that. That's a good idea. I would use that do that as a special Yeah, oh It's it's coming up actually yeah a couple of months We're gonna be doing the predictions and stuff predictions Predictions results is actually one of my favorites because it's always stunning to me just how many things have changed and Also, how many things we thought were going to change that didn't hmm, I Think was it this year? I made the prediction that uber's Problems br problems were gonna go away Is that right? Think so. I think that one You know, it's still got a couple of months to go, but I would I would be ready to credit you with that one I Think it will be the only one though because the self-driving car thing has really kind of taken over the headlines for uber Well, yeah, and and also they haven't had maybe in the beginning of the year, but they haven't had big problematic The the strikes in the city kind, you know arguments have started to fade Yeah, they sold in China which took away one big battleground for them Austin Austin in March was like the big thing when they lost that election They really haven't had a referendum. Yeah.   They did before Well, what's wrong with having someone escort you to a party. I think it's perfectly legitimate Wait, don't you remember that Brian Westwood has escorted me to a party before They had a thing in Paris with like half-naked ladies or something. Hey, what what it's in that is that what Paris is famous for? half-naked ladies No, you can go see them in shows, but I'm sure you can do that I can see half-naked ladies on shows, you know on I I don't know. I want to see them in a while They're not walking around in the city if that's your Wow What about all the half-naked men? We don't have many of those either It's just gets a little cold for all of that for anybody. Yeah, I mean Paris you can still know It was pretty it was pretty warm in September still now I would have a hard time imagining anyone walking around naked in Paris And even less in Helsinki, I can tell you I'm sure yeah Pretty cold now already. All those half-naked people in Finland walk it around You find those near Sonas and Frozen lakes. Oh, yeah, the polar bear club type people Yeah, those we don't try to you know, we avert our gaze when that's a whole different thing. Yeah They're the crazies Yeah, T2 T2 is like unless you're going ice-hole swimming that Ice-hole, but you're late That movie Johnny dangerously. Ah, yes Magna cum laude the radio's too loud II What is magna cum laude exactly what does it mean it's Latin for or really good with Loading I don't know. I think it's it's an honor.  Give you an honor. Yeah, okay Loading someone. Yeah, right They used to release pigeons or doves in your honor when you got it, but now that so many people go to University and get graduate. They say well, that's too many birds in the pigeon Union Oh, just pigeons just just sprinkle a little bit of bread in the street and then just walk really quickly towards them You'll release the pigeons. Why is squab cost so much then it's because they're not pigeons All in the preparation.  So has anybody looked in to make sure that squab aren't street pigeons. Yeah, I've seen them deliver it They're basically like dough. There's they're like rock dad owns a restaurant. I'm gonna trust you on this one. I'm telling you I've seen it They deliver Come loud a means with praise or with on praise. Okay, that was the loudly was the heart the one I couldn't quite pin and There's summa cum laude, which I didn't know that's some praise Obviously my Latin is weak I'm not they're not gonna say It is with highest honor. There's also a great honor Exactly with outstanding honor and the rarely used Maxima cum laude which surprisingly is not with the maximum but just with very great honor It's an intermediary between magna and summa That's why all those Latin speakers are always getting mad at you for using maximum to mean most they're like No, it's not. That's not right. It would be magna. You know, I'm no it would be summa the summer wait summa Sorry, summa is above my name. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Told you my Latin Full to dream said his sister had a maxima The Nissan magna and the Nissan summa all available now.  What's that one? What's a Camry? Is that like a fish? Is that like a ray? I have a Camry. It's still trying to figure out what a Camry is. What's a Corolla? I Always thought that was just a Nate like a woman's name because we had a German intern. Her name was Karola, Karola. Yeah, I've hired her Well, then why was she an intern for the screen savers? She was an intern for the screen savers and call for help web team All worked together So she worked for all of us But she was a web intern She was smart. She was the first one that introduced me to SMS Because I had her do some web only content and she wanted to write about how to get SMS over the web Because she couldn't get any SMS service and keep in touch with people back in Europe And so she was doing it on this website Well, I remember that website. I think it was a big it was a big deal But people I think we actually used it as a segment eventually and it's like well, why don't you just call them? That was a big thing.  It's just because well, it's because they got back then the rates on voice was higher than Yeah, SMS text text messages were not available on all plans and when they were they were like 15 cents each way Yeah I know I know Patrick. I wish I had thought of looking at this before but Bloomberg is stating that the shares of Samsung fell 8% and wiped out 17 billion of Market value. Yeah, I tend to steer away from Talking about stock market prices in our show.  Well for two reasons That's one exactly they often rebound and they often rebound by the time someone listens or at least change And so when we say the share price is this and the person listening goes well, I'm looking at it and it says entirely different thing So yeah, and as full fool to dream says 17 billion is a lot of telephones and Tensor guys saying bye bye. Bye. I guess well, I don't know if I would That is not in fact accurate In that is not in financial recommendation of daily tech news show Or do we endorse it? No, we are not giving financial advice Financial recommendation of tensor guy. It might be it might not that is your your lawsuits towards him directly But yeah, I mean it is sort of the kind like I will I don't buy any tech stocks because I do this show And I want to make sure that I you know I don't have any skin in the game because of that But I would be tempted to look into that right now. I would Yeah, the problem is I mean yes eight percent, but I could imagine going Down even farther. Yeah, and then it'll come back is the other thing like saying yeah That the note seven wiped out 17 billion of value is sort of true But not permanently true Like it could get worse for a while and then I come back and then like I don't know Look at a balance sheet and say they're gonna lose her two to three billion dollars in sales for sure absolutely It's I mean yes it The thing is all of this is true. It doesn't make it Not relevant of Fail it has fallen so much in a couple of days I think it's still it does I mean if you take it to mean not oh Well, Samsung's market value has permanently been chopped by 17 billion It's one thing and I don't think that's what we would be saying. I think what this indicates is There is you know the the public perception perception is that this is a big deal and you know I guess I guess in the end though my thing is like okay so if you if the values are gonna change and You've got a 24-hour cycle where they could change again and all you're saying is wow This shows people are really disappointed in Samsung I kind of feel like I didn't need the stock price to be able to make that point like that That's not shocking to me. That is yeah, good point. Good point. I agree actually Well, we finally got Patrick to agree. So we're gonna wrap up the show Thanks everybody for watching our list and they will see you tomorrow. Thank you