Well hello my friends and welcome back to my channel! Today we're doing my May budget! Yay! So first things first I use an Erin Condren Deluxe Monthly Planner and it just has the overview of the month and then it's got some notes pages and then it's got another notes page and then it's like into the new month. So what I like to do if you're new here, you can like skip a little bit if you're not new here. What I like to do is on the month page just write if there are, I have like a little sticky note thing. This is also from Erin Condren. I'll leave a link down below for that website as well as if it's your first time buying anything from Erin Condren. There's one link you can click and if you sign up you will get an emailed $10 off coupon towards your first order and then once your order ships I actually get a $10 credit as well which helps bring these videos to you guys. So anyways I like to put in like if I know something that's coming up. So I actually have Go Wild this week or yeah actually this week because today is the first and I'm hoping I can get fingers crossed. Hoping I can get this video up for you today. So anyways I utilize this page. I don't do anything with this page. I never have. I don't know if I ever will but I'm just going to go like this and then I'm going to use some washi at the top. This is actually from my new shop, a favorite daughter's shop. I'll leave a link below if you are interested but this is kind of like a peachy color. I don't really have any peachy washi even in my like normal stash. So I figured I'd go with this one. I just restocked these actually yesterday. So hopefully there's some up for you guys and I figured I would go with this one because it's got like some orange and yellow and pink and then this really pretty like metallic gold. I swear like I freaking sell washi. Like I can't lay this down right.  Like I have so many struggles today plus I'm leaving for Austin tomorrow which is where they go wild conferences. So I'm going to Texas and you think a planner girl would have packed by now but she hasn't. I haven't packed anything yet. Nothing. I have my snacks in my backpack and I don't really think that counts. Should I just go all the way? No. I won't go all the way. Okay. All right. Cute right? I like the way that looks. I also keep my planner stickers. So like these are kind of all the budgeting things that I typically use. I also have one of these. It's like a little pouch from Erin Condren and I just put all my stuff in it like my planner and my like budgeting stickers just so I have them. I used to I don't do this anymore but if you go to Coffee Break Planner I will link them down below. I used to do like a month or like a daily detail of everything that I would spend. There are examples on her Etsy shop. I don't really do that anymore because I don't share incoming expenses any longer and that's how I like to utilize it. So anyway these are part of I think these are all part of the Emily's budget bundle. So feel free to go check her out but you use it on like your monthly page. So anyway just like to mention that and then there's these stickers but I don't think I'm going to use them even though I have a May but these are from Erin Condren and then I've got some other ones in here. Oh these are from Coffee Break Planner as well but these are not part of the Emily's budget bundle. I was using these when I was saving for a house which I have my house now so I'm not saving for a house any longer and then I've got these Erin Condren ones and then this is from Paper House Life Organized and I think these are super freaking cute. I don't know what I'm gonna like use yet so but I am a decorative planner. If you guys don't like decorative planning this is probably not the video for you so I'm just gonna go through and list all of my outgoing. Like I said before I do not share incoming funds at all any longer and yeah so let's just go for it. Before I get that started let's put in um one of these guys. I'm gonna put in this like little budget because cuteness and it kind of goes with the oh it just goes so well. Yay and I'm gonna use this kind of like salmon color because it's like the right thing and then I will list my bills down below. Well here are all of my outgoing bills that I know of so these are basically fixed expenses. There's a couple of estimates that I'll go over in just a moment. So my house payment is 451.38. I get a lot of comments um typically people that just haven't followed me for a long time of how my house payment is that low. I put 50% down on my house so that's how it's incredibly low and less than most people's rent. Like even in my area I can't rent anything my size like the size of my house for anything close to that but that's what happens when you put 50% down on your home. So it's very very low which I appreciate right now. My HOA is 158. It's a homeowners association. I do get questions on what HOA means so that just means that the lawn maintenance and snow removal and a lot of the exterior things are taken care of with my home and then obviously me as the homeowner I take care of the interior stuff. My gas is a fixed expense at 28 dollars a month. That is something that they do fluctuate. I believe it's twice a year so um yeah that whatever and then um my water and sewer bill through the city is estimated about 54 dollars. It's about the same. It's anywhere from like 52 to 56. Like last month I looked it up and it was like 53 something so it's around that 54 dollar mark typically. Colligan I do rent a water softener because I guess they've gone through two of them in this house and this house is quite new so it's just the city water. It's not that great so I do rent a water softener um that's 32 dollars and 65 cents. That's a set expense. So my electric bill is estimated at 70 dollars. That is definitely something that fluctuates with the season so I think it's going to be around that this month and then my garbage bill is the same every month at 1785 and it's like my trash and my recycle. My cable and wi-fi 114.60. My cell phone is 88.52. My auto insurance is 85 dollars and 42 cents and then my cobra insurance for my health insurance is 315.09 and then my netflix is 11.75. So this month my extra expenses are go wild so that's obviously a large expense so I am going to put that in here as well and then my extra spending which is like gas and then eating out and groceries that's going to be kind of the same except for the eating out category so I'll just make my categories and then we'll go over that in just a moment. Okay so I got my like regular stuff done and then also my go wild things. So fuel for my vehicle I just haven't been driving as much or I've been doing a lot more stuff in town or um if I need something I'll like buy it on amazon you know if I can find it so anyway my fuel costs have been dramatically decreased in the last few months so um a hundred dollars and then for my grocery budget I usually budget about 50 bucks a week or so so that's good um all my eating out money is going to be in Austin so I'm not even going to put that on there so anyway down below is go wild in Austin Texas my hotel I already haven't calculated I literally have my like confirmation thing right over here it's $1,374.16 I know a lot of you are going to say that's really expensive and yes it is however I have elected not to have any roommates because I sleep weird I sleep with a sound machine and I really just kind of want my privacy to be honest so um but I'm still going to be social and have a lot of fun but um I decided that actually last year at this time when I knew I wanted to go to Austin Texas so I kind of knew that that was going to be happening so I did budget for it um as for meals I do have a couple of meals um that are going to be provided for me so um I'm going to budget about $200 and that's like with snacks and drinks and things like that so I think I think I can definitely get within that frame of $200 because I mean I know it just gets so expensive when you have to eat out for like breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks um as for transportation I'm guesstimating $100 I think that's going to be actually a lot less than what I need um the hotel that I'm staying at provides a shuttle and they said it's $2 a ride so um I'm assuming that I'm going to be tipping them and all that good stuff too so yeah and then also for spending money I just figured I'd have like a $50 buffer in there so let's get this all totaled up and then I will put um what the total is in every category all right so I just decided to use one of these um half boxes and uh put my little calculator in here and this is from one orange snowflake I'll list their shop down below just wanted to put in my total all right so that is how much it's going to cost to run my life in the month of May I should probably write May somewhere I mean I know it's May but do you guys really know it's May I don't know I guess it depends on when you're watching this so for the go wild stuff I am gonna get out some cash and I'm actually gonna go and do that today for some of the items so I'm just gonna put this little like cash machine little thing and these are all from the uh Aaron Condren budget sticker sheet again I will leave a link for Aaron Condren down below so I hope you guys enjoyed this look into my May budget if you guys have any questions feel free to post them down below if you like these kinds of videos make sure to give it a thumbs up leave a comment subscribe that really helps out my channel if you guys do that and I will see you guys for the next budget which will be in June and I'm doing some travel then as well so it is gonna be another funky one like this so I hope you guys enjoyed and I will see you very very soon bye guys well folks it's time to kick it old school


Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're at the innovation and motion mapping and navigation event. It's a really interesting thing. I had no idea, as most industries, you start to get into it a little bit in the layers of complexity and the level of detail and things you've never even thought about. Even just in navigation, just around autonomous vehicles, is pretty outstanding. As put on by the AutoTech Council, hosted by Western Digital, and we're really excited to have our next guest, Jeff Wondery. He's a marketing manager from Velodyne, and I'm sure you know Velodyne as the LiDAR that's the spinning little jobbers on top of all the self-driving cars and a really key component to get autonomous vehicles to where they are today. So first off, Jeff, welcome. Well, thank you, thank you for having me. Yeah, so that was a really interesting panel that you just got off of, talking about kind of different ways to collect the where am I information for the vehicle, whether it's a map and trying to really pull it in off the map and how accurate is that versus a LiDAR system, which is right now really the premier system that we see on all those cars versus some of the new technologies around more optics and different ways. So interesting different ways to try to solve the same problem, probably none perfect, all can kind of leverage some of the other technologies. Right, and as we kind of discussed earlier, I think there is, currently there's basically three technologies that are kind of in the running. So this is basically laser radar and cameras. So I think it's part of the question ends up being, okay, where is the innovation occurring? And where are there opportunities for cost reduction? Whereas, what is the application? So I think from that perspective, I think there's a lot of things to happen within laser and I think that's kind of what's happening in the marketplace right now. And there was another conversation too about kind of not thinking of kind of the maps and where you are in kind of a static as a single entity, but really there's these multi layers of granularity depending on what the application is that you or the vehicle is trying to execute at that moment and really starting to think of it as a really complex, multi-layered representation of space as opposed to I'm here. Right, I think a common thing that I get typically is there's typical questions I get are really, there's a static component to this, which is really the buildings, the road, the lane markings. Those things typically don't change very often or they're slow to change. But there's the dynamic things as well. So the dynamic things can range from being either an animal crossing the road or it's a person or it's a pothole or it's weather conditions. Those are all dynamic things that still have to be accounted for that change your driving habits. So if you'd have, I'm from Minnesota, so if you have a lot of snow, you typically slow down and you slow down immediately. So how you drive changes based on what's going on around you. So it's the same thing with like night driving as well. Right, and the other thing that keeps coming up over and over again is Moore's law, not specifically but contextually and really as an innovation move forward that as more and more of these things get created, you're starting to get much more scale of production, it's gonna drive all kinds of efficiencies, price comes down and you were asked an interesting question in the panel, so that means we're gonna have not one LiDAR but four and you said it really is gonna open up an opportunity to rethink the deployments of these things and how they work within this integrated system. Yeah, and I think one thing I was trying to kind of also talk about is there is the idealized case when we get to full autonomy when everyone is driving autonomous vehicles. But I think there's a lot of, as we go from zero to a hundred percent, a lot of things are gonna change. I think, but there's some common things that are happening within laser, so I think there's a general trend for the innovation portion of that laser component which is to move to solid state, eliminate moving parts, lower the cost down. I think as those products are getting released, I think you see more adoption that occurs so as you go from zero to 10 to 20, those things will start to catch up and kind of move along in tandem together. Right, I'm curious in terms of your interaction with some of the larger car manufacturers in terms of the adoption and the rate of adoption and interest in autonomy, if you can share any stories, is it going faster than you expected? Is it going slower than you expected? Are there hurdles that you thought were there that just blew right past and are there some kind of surprises that have popped up that you really never thought about? It just, I don't think people see how fast this train is coming. Right, so I think there's a couple of things that I think there's general knowledge type things. So I think all the manufacturers, all the automobile manufacturers have said, yes, we want to go to autonomous vehicles and that has ranged from either 2019 to 2021, having at least something that's out there, at least in the short term. That doesn't mean that all the vehicles will be that. All vehicles will be autonomous in 2021, but we're going to start to see that trend. So a lot of investment, a lot of money, a lot of people, smart people are working in that area and kind of spending a lot. That also means that there's other applications as well that are becoming autonomous as well. So I think that's made a slower trend, but I think a lot of it's being driven by what's going on automotive based on the scale and to your point to Moore's law, when you have that volume, then it drives a lot more applications. Right, right. And then also, the speed of networking, 5G's coming down the road, and really more kind of the two-way communication of data between the devices, more and more, not just sending data, but also receiving data back in some aggregated way to either retrain the algorithms, make them smarter. So I'm curious if you can share kind of how the data relationship in something that was really more, I presume, maybe I'm wrong, kind of a one-way sensor of data back into a system now starts to open up where you can actually take data back into the sensors and into the systems to adapt their behavior, make them better, faster, cheaper, or cheaper. I think there's a common push and pull that occurs here. So the general thing is that there are requirements people are asking for, either longer range, less expense, less cost on the sensor itself, because what the main function of a sensor is, it doesn't, it's independent of the technology. Right. At the same time, people do want to communicate with the sensor, so there's elements of that that they also want to grow. There's diagnostics that they want to be able to figure out as well that are sensor-specific. Right. But generally, it's what can the sensor provide, and typically it's more data coming out and that ends up pushing back then to the control parts. And the control parts are the storage, and then it's also how it's being processed as well. Right, right. And have you seen much of a growth in applications for other uses of the data coming off the LiDAR? I think the main thing I try to point out is that it's usually you're mapping an area first and then you're navigating later on. So I think you can't really do an autonomous vehicle until you've kind of mapped the area first. I mean, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to just start navigating, you know, kind of willy-nilly. It's kind of dangerous. Right, right, because it's not quite that fast, depending on how fast you're going down the road. So that, which begs the question, because that was another one of the debates that came up on one of the other panels.  And, you know, obviously you need both, right, to be successful. And I think since it's being a chicken or egg type, type of environment, I think, you know, so they do kind of loop together and they do make a nice kind of loop. So I think they'll, you know, over time, this loop will get bigger and bigger and more robust. Right, right, super. So exciting times for you guys. Any special things coming on with Veldine that we should be aware of? I think the, you know, the main thing is, you know, we continue to invest and we continue to kind of develop new products.  Well, and you guys are in a great position. So congratulations to you and the team. Yeah, thank you. All right, he's Jeff Wendry. I'm Jeff Frick. You're watching theCUBE. We are at the Innovation in Motion Mapping and Navigation Event. Thanks for watching.


It is to see I am Exhausted I Got eight hours to sleep last night, too I went to bed at eight o'clock got up around four five my normal time That's why it's what time I get it up or and I am exhausted. I haven't been sleeping I don't know what's been going on. Maybe it's my pillows or something But I've been waking up either my back. It's burning today my entire neck all the way down to my shoulder is burning I took my nerve medication. I am so ready for these girls to be all like seriously. I cannot wait Hold on my refrigerators open. I Spent the better half of my morning Between four and five looking at videos on women who have had breast reductions. I Primarily wanted to look at women who? What does it look like around the fourth or fifth month recovery because I'm gonna be traveling around that time granted I think I should be okay after a few weeks This is not my first time at the rodeo sort of speak. This will be my fourth surgery I've had Two ovarian cysts removed. They were so large. They had to remove them I've had a DNC that stands for a dilate and clean due to a miscarriage I've had a C-section and now this is a breast reduction and so All of my recoveries for those surgeries went fairly well So I'm not nervous because I know a lot of people are very get very nervous when it comes to surgery I'm not nervous about this, but I did just call the plastic surgeon because I want to schedule another appointment because When I saw him if y'all can remember that was months ago. That was back in September I said I'm not nervous. I've been ordering the stuff I need to order So I got some groceries here. I need to put on my grocery shop today. I'm gonna be cooking my favorite meal My all-time favorite meal. It used to be chicken Fried chicken preferably, but my favorite meal is fish Collard greens and yams. I prefer fried catfish, but since I'm trying to eat healthier salmon So if y'all see me make that before salmon collard greens and yams, that is my favorite That is my comforting meal to me I'm gonna make myself a sea salt and coconut oil scrub I hope you're afraid if this y'all goes to bed early Because I plan on soaking it's an epsom salt doing a scrub to almost detoxify my I feel like I Feel sluggish. I feel like I slept by didn't get any sleep. You know what I mean So yeah, I'm gonna have me some peppermint tea and really try to calm down Look do not Sleep on your grocery stores. Anyway, let me show you guys what I got. First of all, this is the honey infusion shampoo and conditioner Look at the price. Look at let me tell you something. I Went crazy like I was and then remember that show supermarket market sweet. I pushed all I mean I just put got one hand and all this So I got three shampoos three conditioners And I'm more than likely I like to make a co-wash quote-unquote from my husband So I'm definitely gonna refill his little container up Then they have tons of little bar soaps and bore soaps and now that I'm thinking about it I probably should have gotten all of these that this is a good deal.  This is a pretty big bar.  I may do this stuff. Why JV is still up You probably can't let me put it right here. Oh Can y'all see me? Y'all can't even answer me bad even if you can let me just hold the camera girl So I'm in the Walmart parking lot. Oh, that's hot I'm in the Walmart parking lot and there we go. There we go. I'm hungry. Hold on I need to go pay JV's tuition and he's going to the zoo next week.  So While I'm here, I saw a woman with a beautiful Beautiful baby and I I heard the baby just being happy and I heard her doing her little baby talk to the baby So as I came around the corner, I see him Absolutely adorable round chubby eight months of chubbiness and so I spoke to the baby and I said, is this your grandbaby? She's like no actually, this is someone's child a friend that I keep and She looked at me and I could tell her eyes were so bright.  She offered to keep the baby and She's not depressed anymore and she I mean I could tell that was her testimony that She's just a changed person. Her husband comes on early just to pay with this play with this baby They're grandparents all their kids are grown up the house, you know They're grandparents themselves like I said, but to have this new baby and new life It's just changing and I was just talking to her and listening to her say this. I was feeling better. I'll say you know what? I'm in some pain, but I'm kind of feeling better right now. Just for you telling me where at our favorite place the Goodwill Javy's putting on Marty Robby's They've gotten a lot of stuff in won't you come over here and look at what they have see if you can find some more tracks, baby over here too I'ma see Yeah, I'm looking for like cast iron skillets and Cuz the old ones are better cuz they're all seasoned. Yeah, baby, and I'm like to look for different type of Surfer pieces. How do I make it? Let me look at you Okay, you can look at that. I'm not seeing that that fish plate this fish plate This is pretty This is really pretty. This is really pretty for serving. How much is this? 3.99 I'm gonna keep my eye on that one. That's cute. Yeah, they have a lot of good stuff here today Basket this basket is adorable These fit and they're very cute Mary Jane very very cute Have your hat. Yeah, is that the hat you want to get? That man gave you that ball nice man. Yeah Oh, look, baby, she has pictures of cookies see that oh, that's beautiful Yeah This is one dress I really do like this dress is if you're on the side and I can always pair up belt here to take me in and Yeah, really cute hit at the knee Get up close. It's pinstripe. You can see here. We're gonna be cute, right? Way too big and honestly, I have one it's like it. This is how supposed to fit Oh, see way too big all this fabric dress right here is bad. This dress is serving me Chanel late or actually early 90s Chanel look at this. I mean besides that right there That's clearly not chill, but just a pattern alone This is like a size 10 which I'm not who we are home. We have officially been out for Three hours, I am exhausted though y'all so I Went out feeling a little dizzy. I probably shouldn't have done that excuse him I'm that the second doses of gava pitton gave me a little dizzy But it knocked down the pain towards simmering. It's not that bad, but my body needs to rest I'm gonna go take me up a some salt bath my country as first of all Sorry before I do that Look at this K designs. Let me put on me pull you up says one of my subscribers I'm so sorry JB. Um, she messaged me a couple of days I was two weeks ago and told me that she had The main choice bio tuning for you styling gel. I open it up.  It's a little Ronnie.  We're gonna do flat twist. We're gonna play it safe Husband this morning was like He said he likes french fries for friend to JB then I guess we're gonna go we can go to David Buster's all day And then later on we'll go out to eat. I said he look kind of you know I'm bonk that I'm like I sent you the information, you know weeks ago, and I've told you this man don't listen to me Child so I said we can go Sunday after judge. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. It is Sunday morning JB's having jello for breakfast. Don't judge me. You can if you want to but that's okay. Um, I Think it was how I've been sleeping and so last night was the first night. I looked at a couple of videos Last no no night before I felt way better. So I slept with my legs propped up. Okay, my legs elevated with one pillow Yeah, so I better What's going on last night? We went to Papa does we went out to eat as a family for the first time in Like a year the last time we went out as a family You know Jamie y'all seen Jamie and I go out to eat But as a family we all sit down because typically whenever Opportunity we have my husband and I go out and it's just that I've been telling him the times that JB and I go out Sometimes he's okay. Sometimes he's acting a hot mess But Papa does those you know familiar with Papa does Papa those can be a very loud restaurant told was loud I make sure we sit at the bar to where my husband and trapped him so he couldn't get up He did really good so Trapped him in so he couldn't get up because normally when we've gone out him and I together me and JB and I If he said if we're sitting at a table He'll get up not walk around but just get up, you know do a little dance and sit Girl he's five years old then he was four, you know and sit back down But he did really good Lord. He did really good today.  There was a woman there who's actually she said right next to me and I had on all purple I'm purple's my favorite color. She was like, you know purple's my favorite color. I said go me too girl, but She asked me because you know they give you an hour lunch and she asked me She's like Baby, she's like, okay, you can show it to them in a minute Long story short she was giving me some advice on Changes to my diet. I need to make because I told her I was getting feeling sore and fatigue and inflammation And she's like you really need to look into a plant base. This is yet again like the second or third person They have came into my life and telling me that I need to make some changes Yeah, but these are at a person and I go in show them closer of your fidget cube.  That's what you said.  No, we can't So today this I don't even know how this vlog is gonna be cuz I don't even know Jesus be a zander so look can you be still got on the orange and we got on the the gray pen Straighten orange bowtie the bowtie did make him is a little heavy if that makes sense. It's a little weighted So it's tilting forward. Um, I think I know what the problem is y'all this bowtie has become a science to me Now let me show y'all what I'm wearing My seamstress she took it in for me y'all yeah It may seem like I'm losing weight, but really I don't show my figure a lot I wore a lot of coals that are a little bit baggy So yeah, this is what we got. Okay, you know what? Person carry in this one. Let me show y'all what the whole ensemble looks like oh, I guess I could show you baby You're rocking the thingy. This is my hair.  This is what? Miss Jackson is where I guess so when I get that reduction I mean my I'm not gonna look as curvy, but I won't look as top-heavy to Excuse the mirror y'all. So yeah, that's what we learned today for church This child come on baby. Let's hey you guys. I have a church Let me try to turn this down some but it is hot and you kind of turned out Oh, my area's a hundred and five inside this car Church would great But wait a minute. I love to pray for this man. I was leaving church I had to go to the bathroom girl because my girl just started cutting off circulation and I would Was going out to go pick up JV as I was walking out the door I heard someone say excuse me rent ma'am and I turn around and it was a man who had my airing One of my earrings had fell off and I noticed it was kind of loose, but whatever But why did he say as he hands me my earring? I shouldn't have been staring so hard Oh, no, he said I shouldn't have been looking at you so hard.  I'm not wearing this dress ever again Ever again, and I know I kind of switch when I walk. I can't help it. That's just how I am girl Even in jeans, I switch when I walk when I walk Lord, when we go get some gas and hush up y'all


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G'day. How are you going? Welcome to my channel Bootlossophy, and if you're new here, my name is Tech. I'm working on Wajik Country, Nunga Buja, in Western Australia, and I acknowledge the Nunga traditional owners of this land. Today, I'm pondering on the choice that Dr. Jones might make if he'd been faced with the Alden 403 boots and the Rhodes Owen boots today. So this is the Alden 403 and this one is the Rhodes Owen. In case you don't get the reference, Harrison Ford wore an Alden boot in all of the Indiana Jones movies. So much so that the Alden Mokto work boot in its various make-ups is now known as the Indy as well as by their model numbers. In this case, it was actually the Alden 405 in brown calfskin leather. The story is that the costume designer originally chose a pair of Redwing Mokto boots but Harrison Ford, having worn the Alden 405s as a work boot when he was a carpenter, insisted on wearing the Aldens because they were so comfortable. And as it transpires, also versatile for the movies because Indy could wear them when he went adventuring and then he could brush them up to wear as he walked the halls of academia. Since then there have been many makes that make designs very similar to the sleek Mokto design of the Alden Indy. This one, the Rhodes Owen boot, is no exception. Even though there are some immediate differences like the 360-degree Goodyear welt as opposed to Indy's 270-degree Goodyear welt. So let's take a look at the style. These are built both six inches tall, Mokto design. The Mokin Mokto is short for Mokkasin toe referring to the Mokkasin shoes made by First Nations Americans. And all categorized by this U-shaped stitch along the edge of the vamp. Usually the Mokk stitch sows two pieces of leather together. The vamp and the piece making up the walls of the toe box. In the case of both of these boots and in fact this flattened sleek design, they are a Mokk stitch. The stitching gathers up a raised pucker to create the impression of a joint, but it's really one piece of leather. You can also see in both that the stitch is a bit inboard of the edge of the side walls. Unlike a thorough good Mokto or a red wing 875 and making it look sleeker, lower profile and more dressy. They have different outsoles, but both are connected to the uppers with a Goodyear welt form of construction. That's where a thin strip of leather called the welt goes around the circumference of the shoe where the uppers are sewn to the inside edge and then outside the outside edge of the welt is sewn to the mid and outsoles. Goodyear welted shoes are either made with a 360-degree Goodyear welted form or a 270-degree form. The difference is, like in the Rose Owen, the welt goes all the way around the boot, hence 360 degrees or full circle, or like this Alden 403 where the welt only goes three quarters of the way around from one side of the waist to the other side and then the heel portion is glued and nailed. The advantage of the Goodyear welt is that it's more easily resolvable. You can undo the stitches, peel off the outsole and attach a new one and then sew it back on. It's also more water resistant because there are no stitch holes that go from outside directly inside. The welt forms a kind of barrier between the two stitches. The difference between the 360-degree welt and the 270-degree welt is that the heel on the 270 is said to look more sleek and doesn't have an ugly ledge sticking out. The Aldens do look more dressy there, don't they? The disadvantage is that in theory the Aldens are slightly less water resistant because there's no welt barrier to the heels. This design by Alden as evidenced by Harrison Ford's use of them when he was a carpenter was intended as a work boot. Today that mid-century modern aesthetic is now so trendy especially when work boots are mostly technical plastic and fabric padded boots that their aesthetic is quite fashionable outside of work by a carpenter builder or otherwise. Let's take a look at each of these. I'll start with the Alden 403. Not quite the original Alden Indies, that being the 405s in calfskin. These, the model 403 is in brown chrome excel. I've actually already done a detailed review of these boots which you can see up here so I'll only do a brief run through of them here. Alden is an old New England shoe company started in 1884. That's New England in the US, not New South Wales of course. It's the only New England shoemaker that's left of the hundreds that started in the same time and remains a family company to this day. They make high quality and quite pricey shoes and boots. Some say still fully deserving of the price. Some say today showing some evidence of lapsing quality control. The old and indie boots are still made in New England. As far as I can see Alden were the first to create this sleek mock mock toe look. In my research I can't find exactly when it first appeared but it seemed some time in the 1960s or 70s. In most articles these days they write this office always decades ago which I cringe a bit at because I very well remember the early 70s as a kid in high school and it doesn't feel like decades ago. The chrome excel leather from Horween in Chicago is a waxy oily combination tanned leather and quite easy to scuff so I'm pretty sure that while it might be suitable for the college indie work that isn't going to be great for when you get pinned to a canyon wall by a Nazi tank. The construction is a light but sturdy touch. The boot is fully lined the good you welt at 270 degrees doesn't add a lot of weight to the boot and the toe is only lightly structured. People say the 270 degree welt is not as water resistant I bet indie knows after jumping over a sinking ship and swimming up to a U-boat. The true balance last used in most indies is a combination last that is a wide comfortable last. It's built on cork and leather mostly it's incredibly comfortable there's a wide heel with this quirky curve that puts part of the heel under your arch to give it support over and above the shank. The cantilevered construction of the uppers under the arch gives it a built-in hugging support. This is potentially the most supportive arch support you can get in a boot and would be great for indie as he trudges around the world and stepping over all kinds of unpredictable terrain. Even after kicking the odd Nazi I reckon his feet wouldn't feel tired or achy. I said the sole construction was mostly cork and leather. There is a leatherboard midsole. Leatherboard is like the chipboard of the leather world and while cheaper may not be as durable as proper veg tanned leather midsole something to be aware of. The sole is made of flat nitro cork a rubber compound mixed with chips of cork. It's soft enough to be comfortable and durable enough not to lose chips when you're crawling through a Petra. Is it grippy enough? It is for me I don't live with this ice or snow and I think it would be fine walking over Egyptian sand dunes but walking in the snow and ice of Tibet or the mud of the Amazonian jungle. I don't know. It's a versatile design you have to say. You can wear it in tough conditions if you don't mind getting the chrome excel scuffed and the sole matches the terrain and you can you can brush it up to be dressier for social occasions. They sell for around 600 US dollars possibly a bit steep for a college professor's salary unless he boosts it with a tenure and a little adventuring on the side. Now the turn of the Rhodes Owen. This is made by Rhodes which is the house brand of Huckbury a one-stop online retailer of men's apparel everyday carry footwear gear and home items. The Rhodes Owen is made in Leon the Mexican capital of leather and boot making. Obviously Rhodes has way less history than old and in the shoe making department but first off let's say up front that while not oldens the QC and construction of these boots are good. There's nothing wrong with the stitching everything is stuck together the way you'd expect and nothing's fallen off this pair in about a year and a half of regular but not frequent wear. The leather is foregrain wax leather. I think it's chrome tanned it's not especially remarkable leather it's a little stiff but it's not uncomfortable and has a smooth waxy finish not unlike dress shoes. Yeah they have less character than chrome excel but maybe they'd stand up better for crawling under a Venetian cathedral and swimming in the sewer. They don't scuff as easily as chrome excel even when I took them for a walk across some tricky rocky terrain in a forest reserve near where I live. It's easy to clean up and they take Venetian shoe cream just as nicely as chrome excel. They're also fully leather lined but I'm going to say that they're lined with a leather that's not as soft and comfortable as the oldens not uncomfortable but doesn't feel like a soft glove. Like the olden 403 they've decided to give you nine eyelets and speed hooks nine of them up a six inch shaft that usually takes seven and they both give you the flat wax laces but when you tie them up they lay so close to one another that fully lace it looks like you're strapping up something from the curse of the mummy's tomb. Wrong movie but you get the idea. The main difference you see is that this is a 360 degree Goodyear welter boot. The welt is clearly going around the whole boot and in this natural color stands out a fair bit. You know it goes the whole way around all right. It sticks out not only at the heel but all around a lot further than the welt around the indies. In the indie boots the welt is sanded quite close to the stitch almost to dress shoe standards. Some will say these are more water resistant especially in the heel area but these welts mate they stand out baby. Interesting thing though is that maybe because of the welt which makes the boot feel heavier maybe because of the stiffer and less supple leather these boots feel like you could kick things and people and they take a lot better than softer most comfortable olden 403. I think it would feel like punching someone wearing a boxing glove as opposed to a soft baseball glove. The solidity is helped by the Vibram mini lug commando sole on a veg tanned leather midsole it creates a thicker and harder outsole than the nitrile cork. The rubber of the mini lug sole is harder feeling than the nitrile cork and the commando lugs even if low profile in the mini lug version it's a lot grippier so running down an amazonian river back to your plane would be a lot safer in these. The heel is solid so it's also pretty grippy but not as supportive as the olden's. So grippy but maybe with a little less arch support even with a steel shank and at the end of a hard day on your feet whether you're lecturing or walking over a rope bridge I think your feet might ache more. While I have found these comfortable I can't say that my feet don't feel tired at the end of the day whereas I can say that of the olden's. As for the aesthetics well they look similar to the indies so they're pretty versatile maybe just maybe they can be said to be less dressy because of the way that welt stands out especially showing that ledge of the back at the heel instead of a sleek line from the achilles tendon down to the heel. I touched on this but let's take a closer look at fit and comfort. First though sizing I'm a us 8 and a half in D width on the brand new device. In most American heritage style boots I wear an 8D because most of them size large.  The width across the ball of my feet the widest part is just right. The leather being a little stiff caused some pressure at the top of the mock toe stitch just there but after a couple of weeks it softened and gave way. I still feel a little tight in the volume there but it's not uncomfortable. The olden's are in an 8 and a half D. I was told to go true to size but after getting these I disagree. The true balance last is such a well-shaped combination last that 8 and a half D for me is a little roomy and I think I should have gone with an 8D. Even these perhaps a half too big even these snug up at my heels and I think in a half size down it would be perfect around the heels and waist. The toe box also around its shape is beautifully roomy and allows my toes to flex as they need. The last also has a little more volume I feel so I don't have any press down effect and breaking in these was a breeze. The significant difference in comfort was the arch support. That reveals Olden's heritage in making orthopedic shoes. The Olden's give superb arch support. I don't know how they do it but they must have something built up in the shape of the mid and insoles because it feels like there's something pushing up. The tucked in can't believe it opposite the arch also support the foot just there. Then on top of that the curvy heel is designed to put basically a solid heel structure right under the arch helping the shank do its job. It strikes me that Olden have constructed a wage sole boot without using a wage sole. The Rhodes Owen cost 266 US and are more often than not on sale. I got these for 130 US dollars. Now let's be fair you can't ever compare Olden quality to a new boot maker using less renowned leather than chrome excel but that aside what are the comparative values? Well for Olden you get quality leather mostly but not all quality materials. You get shoe making experience the type of experience that creates a boot you can really walk around the world with twice and not really feel any boot pain. You get mostly good QC. The Rhodes Owen you get fair but unremarkable leather pretty good materials and from what I can see pretty good QC. All in all in both cases you get what you pay for. You can't compare them but I don't think you'd complain that the Owen at 265 dollars is oversold in value. I think you can argue that at 600 dollars the indie is fair value but possibly just possibly with more modern competitors in the quality boot making world if not experience making really good boots at four to five hundred dollars I think you could sneak in some doubt that maybe it could be priced a little less. So finally here's the question which boot would indie choose? If you're thinking overall comfort and quality I think you choose the Olden's that bear his name. If you're thinking about value for money for a reasonably robust boot hit by the Owen. If you're going to wear them in the office standing and lecturing at the podium wear them with a suit and then after work change into jeans or chinos and maybe doing a little light carpentry at home maybe if you need to walk around the streets of Rome or Berlin or even across the tops of sand dunes to observe what those Nazis are digging up then the Olden 403s for you. On the other hand if you're going hiking and then you go out to a barbecue or date night if you're going to scuffle through rock cut tunnels and and try to muddy river banks and get your boots all scratched up and especially if you don't have six hundred dollars to spend the Owen is a pretty good sub for the Olden. So there you have it guys that's my comparison of the Olden 403 indie boot with a hugbury homage to it the Rhodes Owen. I hope you liked it and if you do please click on the like button below and if you haven't already click on the subscribe button too. Both will help me to grow my channel and if you subscribe you'd be told by youtube when I upload more videos which I will. More videos on boot reviews, boot comparisons, boot brands, as well as other leather goods. Until then guys take care and I'll see you soon.


The Committee of the Whole is called to order, except I better put on my microphone. The Committee of the Whole is called to order. Let's turn down those fans before they dehead us. Thank you for coming this evening. What do we need to do to turn on Alderman Davis's, I have my microphone on. What else do we need to turn on so that you're turned on? An electric switch. Any sound coming through yet? Any sound coming through yet? You don't. Okay. Yours is working. Alderman Davis, yours is not working. There's nothing that I control up here, Alderman Davis. We will talk as loudly as we can. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you, Council for being here. Thank you, Council for being here. I don't know that Committee of the Whole, yes. Shall we do a roll call? Yes, please. Go ahead, Alderman Graf. Bowman. Here. Dever. Here. Dever, here. Serda. Here. Davis. Here. Kittleson. Here. Manning. Here. Meyer. Here. Montanerar. Here. Ratty. Here. Segali. Here. Steffen. Here. Sousha. Here. Van Akron. Here. Vanderwillig. Here. Sixteen present. Corms present for Committee of the Whole. I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the last meeting held September 12, 2005. Do I hear a second? Any discussion on the approval of the minutes? Here. Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Nay. Minutes approved. Agenda item number four and number five sort of go together. It's about the municipal court. I think we're all caught up on all the information. All of the new Alderman have the information needed to make a determination. We've all listened. We've all thought. We've all, hopefully, understand a lot. Deputy Chief Sherman, do you want to add something, some information for us this evening? Yes. Recently we were asked to give our opinion on this issue. The issue of a municipal court has placed the Cheboygan Police Department in a dilemma. We assigned court services, Sergeant Kotolski, to sit on this committee. We reported back that the municipal court should save the city money by lessening overtime and by raising revenue directly to the city. Yet, start-up costs of this project is a concern. While the Cheboygan Police Department supports the concept of a municipal court, the reality is that this court is very low on our list of priorities. We respect and support the mayor's and the council's efforts to control costs and to reduce departmental budgets. In preparing for this statement, administration determined that our priorities are police personnel, police vehicles, obtaining video recorders for cars, the purchase of tasers, and the routine items placed in our budget. It is important to be mindful of the fact that the state has mandated recording in custody interviews for juveniles, and this is a concept that could be later mandated to include adults. These mandates will incur a greater cost to the city. In summary, administration's priorities are personnel, patrol vehicles, video recorders, tasers, and other items routinely budgeted for. Municipal court has a much lower priority when we are addressing the day-to-day operation of our department. Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Chief Sherwin. Alderman Segali. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to first of all thank Deputy Chief Sherwin for his ideas on this. I think that I still think the municipal court is something that we need considering the fact that next year the real tax is going to be phased out. We are going to be needing some type of revenue to try to supplement that, and I feel that the municipal court is a very good way of starting. So I will be voting in favor of the municipal court, but I also want to let Deputy Chief Sherwin know that I know where they're coming from and what their priorities are. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Segali. Pete Fullerton, would you say a couple of words to us? You both have the building inspection end of it. Thank you. From a building inspection concept, I talked to the building inspectors on several occasions. In regards to, we weren't, I was not involved in the year-long study and really have no comment on that other than the fact that since the building inspections department has been able to issue citations, that has helped us a lot. We feel as though that has brought teeth into what we were doing. We still go about the day-to-day activities of issuing letters when there's noncompliance, but from our building inspection standpoint, the issuing of citations has helped. Oh, thank you. That's good to hear. Thank you so much, Mr. Fullerton. Alderman Dan Burr. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, most of us were here that night when that presentation was given and Attorney Adams also said that having a municipal court is going to hurry a lot of things up. The biggest thing about the municipal court is you're going to be able to handle these slum landlords, your absentee landlords, your land owners that do not keep up their properties in all the neighborhoods. The inspection department, yes, they got the citations now. They got some teeth. They can get these people into the municipal court a lot faster than they will in the circuit court, because like I said a week or so ago, I am still fighting the guy down the street by me, and this is 15 years now. And we all know how long it took for the one that we settled. This is one way, and after several years, we know this is going to be a revenue maker. So I will stick in favor of the municipal court. Thank you, Alderman Dan Burr. Alderman Eldenburg. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I believe in order to continue the discussion, it's likely we should have a motion on the floor. And with that in mind, I will move to file RC 910506 and also the general ordinance, the ordinance repealing division three, which is item five on the agenda. I hear a motion to second to file agenda item number four, agenda item number five. Any further discussion? Alderman Graf. And a motion to file, then that would mean that we would do the municipal court. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, then under discussion, Madam Chairman. Referring to what Alderman D. Burr just said, I spoke with the clerk of courts this morning and I asked her because of several changes that are taking place, is there additional time that the city, Sheboygan could have for their hearings in circuit court? And she informed me that she had spoken to the judges and the judges are very open to having us meet with them and establish some type of system. They said, we were talking to one of the judges in particular and he said something about that in all the years he's been serving. He has yet to hear from the city of Sheboygan as far as what they needed or what they'd like to see as far as the circuit court goes and how it, if they needed more time or not. The only thing they've heard is because there was a problem that we couldn't come to circuit court or something like that. We had to cancel a hearing or we didn't have enough information. We canceled hearings more than we asked for additional hearings. Now, he had also said something about, well, maybe you need to hire additional attorneys in the city and I didn't think that was appropriate to say yes or no to, but my own feelings is no. But I think we need to work with the circuit courts and meet with the judges to determine if there's a schedule we can set up that would give us more opportunity to have cases heard on a more timely basis. So I will be not supporting the motion to file because I'd like to see us not do the municipal court. Thank you Alderman Graf. Alderman Stephan. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm kind of torn on this one. The reason I supported it in the past was one thing that stuck in my head was police overtime, which has been my pet peeve. And I guess I'd ask the deputy chief, I asked for the numbers on what percentage of police overtime could be attributed to the municipal, to court time. And the number I got, I believe was $16,000. $14,000. Okay. So even if we cut it, it's not a huge amount to begin with. In finance two weeks ago, and you know, some of these documents you get every month and all of a sudden you start reading them, we approved from the clerk of courts the money to the treasurer of Sheboygan. And I noticed that there's officer fees for August to $1,000 and the witness fees were $387. So we had a discussion on what they meant. And I don't know if attorney Adams could clarify this but because the letter doesn't really clarify. It says the officer fee is a $12 court charge on criminal matters that has passed on to the municipality. This fee would not be under the municipal court and therefore would continue as a county payment if a municipal court was found, formed. So do you have any understanding of that or that kind of, to me that conflicted that statement and even that time to check it out or anything. The officer fees are the fees that are paid for the officers to testify there. When you go to court, there is a fee that's applied. The defendant has to pay that fee if they're convicted and that gets paid then to the officers. Okay, but there's two different fees. I think you're talking about the officer witness fees. Right. Okay. Then there's also something called the officer fees and that's just $12 court cost that's charged on criminal matters. Yeah. Well, if it's criminal matters, that wouldn't change because the municipal court- Because we would be doing criminal matters. Right. We would not be doing criminal matters, right? Okay. Thanks much. Thank you, Alderman Stephan. Deputy Chief Sherman, are there many cases that the police need to go to the courthouse that aren't criminal? That aren't criminal? That aren't criminal, right. Well, it depends on how the court system would be set up. If it would be set up with the municipal court, then we wouldn't need to go to the courthouse with it. We don't go to the DA's office to visit the DA regarding misdemeanor cases or felony cases like we used to. So it would still include the officers going over for felony and misdemeanor cases. But if it was set up for a municipal court, then the officers wouldn't need to go over to the courthouse. Thank you, Deputy Chief. Alderman Dan Burke. Thank you, Your Honor. Madam Chair, Alderman Graff said we could talk to the clerk over there. When you're scheduled, we got a notice to appear in court at 2.30 for the problems we were going through for ordinances. And at 2.30, there were 17 people scheduled for 2.30.  And by the time we were scheduled to appear for this hearing, all of a sudden the bailiff said there is no more time for any ordinance cases. The rest of the day will be dedicated to criminal cases. So we will send you notice within 30 to 60 days. And like I said, that 30 to 60 days has gone into 15 years. Thank you, Alderman Dan Burke. Alderman Graff, is that what he was talking about on the spot? Scheduling? No, he was talking about setting up a certain schedule where our cases could be heard and only our cases would be called. But the clerk and I talked about this morning and she said you'd have to talk to the judges and set that up and the judges meet on Tuesdays once a month, I think, or something like that. Alderman Meyer. Thank you, Madam Chair. Right now I believe there is some kind of bill in the state that is going to change the way the fines are, the piece of money that the state takes from the fines. And that was one of the reasons they say the municipal court would be better because people's fines would be lower. But the way I'm understanding it is once this loophole is taken care of, the fines will not be lower than the municipal court, they will be probably as high as the circuit court. And seeing that we are projected to lose money the first few years with this municipal court, I can't support it because right now we're getting almost half a million dollars from the circuit court. And at this point in time our city cannot afford to lose money. And we're going to build a police station and we cannot add this municipal court to it at this time, so I cannot support it. Thank you Alderman Meyer. Alderman Vanderweel. Thank you Madam Chair. I have a question for Attorney Chuck Adams, Assistant Attorney. Would you be able to give us your opinion or your view of the conversation that Alderman Graf had with the county clerk? Well I wasn't part of the conversation. From what you heard tonight. I don't know, we've discussed with the judges ways of trying to make things a little easier. Unfortunately there's five different judges who have five different ideas on that and that's been an issue. One judge will say why don't we set aside a particular day, another judge says no that doesn't work. We've tried over the years to do things and the issue really comes as far as scheduling goes is A, there's really two issues. One is how busy are they. The second is that they don't really communicate over there as far as their scheduling and so I'll be scheduled to be in three or four places at once. So then we have to move things as a result of that. So part of it is how busy they are, part of it is how busy I am. Thank you. Madam Chair, Chuck before you leave. You're the only one that handles the ordinance cases. Right. I was going to say Alderman McLean. Attorney McLean does not. Right, typically he does not handle the ordinance cases. We'll fill in for each other as needed but typically I handle all the ordinances. That's what I was hired to do. Alderman Venakker. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to open the floor to the public. I know there's one person back there that wants to speak. Do we have a second? There's been a motion and a second to open the floor to the public. Any discussion on that motion? I think let's do a roll call on that. Opening the floor. No, I don't think we need to. All right, all in favor? All right. Opposed? I think you're absolutely right. All right, citizen back in the gallery who would like to speak. Mr. Storm. I'm Milton Storm. I reside at 1736 Marvin Court. Thank you. And I've probably weekly or every day sometimes I appear in court three times a week, sometimes two, sometimes even every day. And most of them that I appear to are for our cases that are criminal for our neighbors against drugs. But while I'm sitting there, I may be sitting through about 14 cases that could be handled by the municipal court. And even the defendants that are there, they are scheduled at nine o'clock when we don't get to their case until about 1030. And that's one reason I think that forget the financial things. We need a municipal court. And people who would give me all of these rhetoric that it's going to cost us money. Money doesn't matter. I think the safety and protection of this community is more important than the money. We'll get the money. I don't want to clue the bag. And I've talked to all the judges. I did shape up Judge Bogart in one of the cases. And it is really frustrating for people that go to court. I listed mostly people who come along with me one sometimes and sit there. And some of those benches are pretty hard. And sometimes, you know, my mind can only comprehend as much as my seat can endure. And my mother saw to that too. That's why I've got a good constitution. So I'm really in favor of the municipal court. We'll get it paid for. I think people who give us all this rhetoric about the financial thing, don't know anything about finances. I have a niece who is a financial planner. And she is in her own business. So I also took four years of mathematics, three in high school and one in University of Wisconsin. I only went one year to college. Then I let my identical twin brother go. I had to work on a farm to get him through. He's got two master's degrees and he was also considered a professor at the University of Wisconsin when he worked for the Midwest University Research Association. Then he also has two sons and their trial attorneys in the state of Illinois. So I'm all in favor for a municipal court. And I think that this common council could do very good if they give a favorable action to that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Storm. As long as the floor is open, I see Citizen Montemayor would like to say a few words. Thank you, Madam Chair. I sat here last year when the discussion for this court was done on this community of the whole and it took me a little while to realize that something was wrong because the words that were used were like revenues. You have to have the right judge in place. And this thing went on and you have to have the right judge in place came up quite a few times and you have to have a conviction rate of about 88% to make money on this court. Finally, an alderman got up toward the end of this thing and said, do you mean we have to have like a hanging judge? And he answered, it was yes. You have to have a high conviction rate. Then the very last thing one alderman said, he says we could write more tickets. I almost fell off that chair. Then I realized that this wasn't being televised. When I asked the former mayor of the city after we adjourned, I said, will this thing be televised? He said, no. I said, why not? He said, because nobody requested it. Otherwise, a lot of these words would not be used. Here we're trying to create tourism in this city and we're creating a speed trap money gouging community. Something like this spreads like wildfire. This would be nothing but a double thing, a duplicate of services from three bucks away that we abolished in 1954. We had a municipal court in the city. We abolished it. When I asked, why did we abolish it? Nobody's ever gave me an answer. I don't think we need this court. It's actually a duplication of services. Thank you. Thank you, citizen Montemayor. Any further comments or shall we vote? Remember, an I vote would be to do the court, to have the court. Because the documents here are to not at the court, to be sent. An I vote is to, yes, go ahead with the court. Alderman Graf. D. Berg. Aye. E. Berg. Aye. Serta. Aye. Davis. Aye. Raffer's no. Kittleson. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meyer. No. Montemayor. No. Radke. No. Sagali. Aye. Stefan. Susha. No. Van Ackeren. Aye. Vander wheelie. Aye. Five noes. 11 yes. Motion carries. Okay, Alderman, think about where you're going to find the money. Okay, let's move on. Now, can we please move forward to number, to Dr. Tapel. Dr. Tapel has an early, early appointment in the morning, so let us go forward with that. Yes, please. Agenda item number nine. Dr. Tapel submitted a communication stating he wants legislation to change the public forum procedures to increase the number of people able to speak from five to 12 and eliminate the time limits, change the council procedures to give each member of council the opportunity to bring in citizen's concerns, ideas, suggestions, et cetera, and to ask for a roll call on all documents instead of hiding documents in the consent agenda. Do we need a motion before Dr. Tapel speaks? We should have a motion and I would make a motion that we accept and file the communication. I second. Dr. Tapel. Yes, please. Madam Chairman, Mayor Perez and members of the council, when I come to this council chambers, I always think of this being the people's house of Sheboygan. And as a new council and new mayor started this spring, the public is looking for changes. And I think we need to think outside of the box and not just do it because we always did it that way. At the beginning of your council meetings, members of the council, you have public input. And at this point, your guidelines or your ordinances are limited to five people. And I'm asking you for consideration that you do away with a number. Maybe some council meetings you'll have one person. Maybe some meetings there'll be none, but maybe some evening there'll be 10. And I think you should keep that open to not a certain number. And then in connection with that, I would ask you to favor to eliminate the five minutes. I don't mind if the city clerk would say, you know, you had five minutes, but that way the individual, the man or lady from the committee will realize they're not going to take all evening. I think we have turned off citizens by being short to them by saying your time is up and so forth is. So let's not limit public input members of the council. Let's have more people come here. And also let's give them the chance to bring their ideas. Secondly, in connection with the public input of having no limit as far as time and number of people, there was a custom in the council that each member of the council at the beginning of the meeting after the pledge and the roll call would bring in their citizen communication. I'm going to use my two fine members, Meyer and Stefan. For instance, if a member of the neighborhood wrote to Alderman Stefan and said, I need a streetlight on this certain street, instead of just filing it with a department head or with a city clerk, I think it is good that if Alderman Stefan would bring it in here to the public. The same way if Alderman Meyer received a letter from a citizen, whether it be in her neighborhood or throughout the city and said, I would like to have this certain street repaved or resurfaced it and so forth. I think it was healthy when the members of the council brought in those citizen ideas. You, the members of the council are being watched. And I say that in very positive ways. The people of the city of Sheboygan enjoy watching city government. And all I ask is make it a little bit more simpler, make it a little bit more understanding and give them a chance to say yes. I gave my idea to Alderman Segal and she brought it in to the attention. It's not going to take a lot of time, but I think it was a positive item. Last item, members of the council, you know you have the consent agenda. I was part of the consent agenda also. And I realized that you have as a voting member of the council the right to pull an item from the consent agenda. But I ask you to make it more meaningful to our public because you might have 20 items on that consent agenda. And what's all in there? It wouldn't take long for Alderman Vanderbilt to say consent agenda number one deals with a traffic light. Number two deals with, I ask you, let's make our council close to the people and a little more informative. And I want to, before I end, I want to thank each of you for the service that you give in your committee meetings, in your committee of the whole meetings, your council meetings, and then also your constituent services. Thank you for considering my ideas. Thank you, Dr. Table.  Thank you for being here. Thank you for submitting some suggestions to us. Do we have any discussion on some of Dr. Table's ideas? Seeing none, we'll take a vote. I don't think we need a roll call. I don't think we need a roll call. Any, we had a second, we had a motion and a second to file Dr. Table's communication. He explained very nicely to us what his letter was about. I see no further discussion. We'll go ahead and vote. All those in favor of filing? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you, Dr. Table. Agenda item number six. Submitting a communication from William Gehring, Sheboyan County Board Chairman, regarding the history of contact between the city and county, regarding the North 23rd Street site as a potential site for the new police station. This is simply some housekeeping that we need to file. Alderman Dan Berg. That's what I was going to do, Madam Chair. Just going to say that the issue is dead and gone. Accept and file. We have a motion to accept and file. Any discussion? All those in favor? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Agenda item number seven. Communication from the Sheboyan lodging group that I think Dan Berg will again agree with this has been acted upon. This is some housekeeping we need to do. I'll entertain a motion to file. So moved. Second. Second. We have a motion and a second to file our own number 274-05-06 by the city clerk. Any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Agenda item number. No. Opposed? Opposed? Sorry. Agenda item number eight. A communication from James Boran stating that he is enthusiastic about the proposed spaceport Sheboygan and also stating his general areas of concern regarding this project and asking for answers to his questions. I spoke on the telephone to James Boran. He did talk with Paulette. He got lots of his questions answered and he said as far as he's concerned this communication for this evening should simply be filed. He was very happy with talking with Paulette Enders. I'll entertain a motion to file. Alderman Dan Burke. I talked to Mr. Boran just before we got here and he said he would really like to make sure what it says in the contract with those people with the spaceport that if and when, if it would ever belly up that we don't get caught with our pants down or whatever Go ahead. Yes. Mr. Boran was very happy with the conversation with Paulette and I think he made that very clear. Yes. Thank you. And in our conversation I also mentioned that I would follow up with a letter after speaking to the consultant and the developer, the SDC, the Sheboygan Development Corporation. And I did make some of his notes. I took his notes down in his concerns and I guess Alderperson Montemire did mention he seemed happy with that but then also happy that we were going to respond back in writing. Yes. Thank you so much for Ms. Enders for doing such a good job. We have a motion to second to file agenda item number eight. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by stating aye. Aye. Opposed? Agenda item number 10. A communication from former Mayor Richard Sousha. I spoke with him and he said he's very happy with the way we're conducting business. So I said thank you Mayor Sousha. And he also said now that this communication is coming to committee of the whole he also failed to no further discussion was needed. So I'll enter take a motion to file. Second. Second. Any discussion? Alderman Eldenberg. Yes. Thank you Madam Chairman. As a follow-up to Dr. Table's idea I believe at the chair's discretion we could have public comment as part of the committee of the whole meeting and I think from time to time there are certain hot button issues that confront the committee of the whole prior to a council meeting and I will only say one possible opportunity we'd have for citizen input that would hopefully allow us to run an efficient council meeting would be to schedule public comment at your discretion during the committee of the whole meeting so that just is a comment. Thank you Alderman Berg and let's hope we don't have so many hot button items in the future. Did we vote on that one yet? No. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Your motion passes. Communication number 11. A communication from John Winter and I think everything on his communication has been handled and been addressed so far so I'll entertain a motion to file. A second. Any discussion? Alderman Serda. Thank you Madam Chair did you also make contact with Mr. Winter concerning his communication? No I looked in the telephone book I found no address no telephone number and I assumed being on the police force he would have gotten this agenda when it was sent. So you contacted the other individuals you spoke to Mr. Boren? Yes. But you didn't make contact? John Winter no there was no way for me to get in contact with him. Okay just for procedure purposes I would make a motion to hold then just to give him the same courtesy. Second. Any further discussion on the motion to hold? All those in favor of holding signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? No. No. Roll call. This is aye to hold nay to not hold. Eberg. Serda. Aye. Davis. Aye. Graf is nay. Kelsen. Aye. Manny. Aye. Meyer. No. Montemure. No. Ratke. No. Segali. Aye. Stefan. No. Susha. No. Van Akron. Aye. Vander wheelie. Aye. Bowman. Deberg. Aye. 97 motion carries. Motion carries. Okay, so John Winter if I can get a hold of him will come and talk to us about the police station the municipal court, the Chamber of Commerce, the fire station, the North 23rd Street site and other concerns. Alderman Segali. Thank you Madam Chair. If you would call 4593341 which is the community policing line you would be able to get a hold of Mr. Officer Winter. Say that number again please. 4593341. 41, okay. I guess I shouldn't have assumed that he would have seen seen this when it was sent down to the police station. Thank you. Agenda item number 12 we won't be doing because Steve Steinhardt is not here to give us a training. However, Alderman Graf has been through the training so could you tell us a couple of words about what we will be experiencing? A short training for, it's a national incident management system so that whenever there is a problem in a community the proper people are put in charge and know that they are in charge just from who they are and what they do for instance in Sheboygan County and this is being operated through Sheboygan County's director of emergency management. I believe it will be the sheriff will be in charge and he will delegate responsibilities to different people and he will be the one main contact that we have to go to. The training was, the department heads for Sheboygan County all received was about, oh there was a film that was shown and Steve went through a PowerPoint presentation and after that there was a test of I believe it was 30 questions that had to be answered and that test will be turned into the emergency management system and graded and you'll get certificates that you did, yes indeed, receive this and train. Now since Deputy T. Shervin is here has the police department gone through this NIMS training already or? We're in the process of going through what I'd say probably maybe a fifth of the officers I've gone through myself and about probably a fifth of the officers will be going through in the next year or so. So it's something that our department, county, municipal law enforcement officers throughout this county are going through. Thank you. Thank you Deputy Chief Shervin. Alderman Grap, what will be our responsibility after we've had this class? And I know we must take the class, it's required. We will be responsible for listening to the person in charge to make sure that if and when something would happen an incident would happen and if there'd be orders given we would have to follow those orders regarding what they tell us to do and what we need to do and how we keep everybody else informed too. Thank you Alderman Grap. Alderman Vanderweel. Thank you Madam Chair. In case some of you don't know why we'd be doing this basically the federal government is mandating us if we want to get any federal grants or funds or anything like that in the future they want this done so that public protection of safety is around the same page when there's a disaster so we don't have everybody every entity, police, fire, public works running in different directions on different radio frequencies. So that's why we all need to be trained. Thank you Alderman Vanderweel. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Did you want to mention this? Paulette gave us some information this evening. Paulette do you want to say anything about this information? I think Paulette does not. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Second? All in favor? We're adjourned.