Do you think you would ever consider coming back to Game Grumps in the future? Unfortunately, I don't think... No, I won't be returning to the Game Grumps. Sorry. That's a fine one.  I'm the best guy ever and today we're joined by Tom Oliver. Hello. I forget what this episode is about, so I can't make a joke.   All you pussies ever do is make response videos and hide behind the proxies. I'm being harassed, I'm being harassed online, guys! Go find me, slash Tom, give me money, I'm gonna join Twitter's anti-bullying council, you'll all pay for this! I've got 4,700 followers on Twitter and each and every one of them has a sniper rifle trained on your location. This isn't about ethics in podcast journalism, this is about harassment of me.  These are all death threats. I'm sending this all to the cyber police. The next drawcast is gonna be more like a PCP drama cast. We're all gonna be sad men. Leave Brittany alone. Hello, thank you everyone for joining us on this very special episode of the Procrastor's Podcast all about drama. All about drama. It's many forms. The thing we like the most in the entire world, as is evident. That's correct, that's correct. And before we get into it, let's read that old Urban Dictionary definition here. Drama, definition number two, making a big deal out of something unnecessarily.  Dag, Jenny, all she did was look at you. Why you gotta be so drama? Wow, thanks Urban Dictionary. You're beautiful. Fantastic. You said it all. I, you know, it's becoming more and more evident that the Urban Dictionary is actually just the Ebonics Dictionary for, you know, when you want to go into the urban demographic and you know, go in quote the hood. We're gonna start some drama already right off the bat because we only introduced me and Nate and no one else got introduced.  You're trying to throw me under the bus, Nate. You're trying to throw your own brother under the bus. I get it. It's the pup to play. It's the upper class and the lower class divided by being introduced and not. I finally joined the bourgeois where I belong.   Oh God, what have I done? It's time to fucking, it's time to, it's time to seize the means of production. We're locking you all out of the Patreon. We're taking. So here's a, here's a cheapo triple introduction. We've got Digi Bro, Munchy Warsh Tiny Hats and Ben St. Say words. It's me, Munchy Warsh Tiny Hats. I've never been in drama, I've never been in drama before. I've never been in pajamas before. It's me, Digi Bro. I've been in all the drama before. Oh no. He's very popular. He's very well-versed. I'm Ben St and eh, everyone likes me. So, all right team. So drama, it's not even real.  It's some fantasy that happens online that isn't true and is fake.  Internet drama sucks, but real life drama is great. Because, okay.  Yeah, yeah, like that's exactly what I unironically mean.  But whatever, like one of my friends does something. Munchy says that to me every second. Over at this point. And I beg for more. When I sleep, I'm like.  No one will get mad at me when I do. I feel like that's a big thing. That's a big excuse. That is such a great point, Munchy. That is what, in some ways, I love drama for exactly that reason, which is that there are some people that basically, I hate that they're in my life, but there's no excuse to get rid of them yet.   And they're like, I don't know how kind of noticed. And you're like, I feel like I've really, like, didn't you notice he did that? And they're like, well, I guess. And you're like, fuck, man.  And then it's just like, all right, I knew it. You know, it's like, I knew it. I knew this was a problem. Now let's get it all out. Let's get it all out there. This is hyper realistic. This is too realistic. This has too many graphics. I love monkey jones. I love monkey jones.  I'm just popping that bubble right now. There it is, there it is. That's not even close to what I was saying. That's not who I was thinking about at all.  I got drama with everybody. Offline, online, I always got drama out there.  Sometimes. Sometimes. Well, more lately than in the past. Well, that is true. Storm by association. It's fantastic. Okay, we can talk about some of these novels, but really we're here to talk about the meta concept of drama. And it's the place in the world. That's the important part. Yeah, really. Indeed. And yeah, it's like drama when it doesn't affect me or the people I know specifically, I don't really concern myself with. And whenever I see really epic and funny tweets with Hollywood actors saying cool things in TV shows with impact text over them, reacting to some pedophile coming out as a pedophile, pretty good. Like, it doesn't really matter to me. I don't really care about that. But when it's like real people in your real life and you get to finally just air out all of your greed, you get to have the air of grievances, then I truly enjoy it greatly. Let me tell you a story. I'm with you. Let me tell you about the story about a guy. I've codenamed him D on the Internet, usually, when I bring him up. But I also say his real name, Derek, all the time, so I don't know why I bought it. This dude was a member of my group of friends for a very long time, like six years. And he was a guy who he knew from Japanese class and he was just kind of all the intellectuals gathered. Yeah, exactly. Most of my friends, I met the Japanese class. But he would come over to my house and he was always kind of a shitty houseguest. He complained about my music. He'd be very demanding about it. He would want you to almost acquiesce to what he wanted while he was in my house. But he also regarded my house as a paradise on earth because he hated being at home and we were so loose and freeform that he loved hanging it out. But he wasn't the best guy to have around. So he super wants to be everybody's friend but everyone's kind of tepid about having him around. But he's into some good stuff. He likes some good animes, some good music here and there. He likes drinking. So I hung out with him, a pretty decent amount.   Like that was our main pastime because it had gotten so bad. But he'd never done any one thing that was like, let's never talk to him again. Like it's hard to cut somebody out of your life entirely. It's hard to just be like, you don't have enough redeeming quality. And especially when they want to be your friend. When they want to be around. He totally wanted to be around. But people would constantly have fucking...     And we got to a point where my mom was like, if he does one more thing, I'm kicking him out, right?  Like everyone's like, oh man, I hope he fucks up one more time so my mom could kick him out. But he wasn't doing anything. And then finally, on Christmas day, he says something off color.   My brother Victor had been talking to a younger cousin of ours for a while. He was kind of like mentoring her.  How old was this cousin? How old was this girl? Young. She was like 14. Okay, okay. So Victor was like probably 18 and 19 at the time. Sounds ripe. Sounds nice and ripe. Okay, go on. Don't, don't. So Derek says that another friend has said this about Victor. Victor, whether Victor doesn't care whether that's true or not, the fact that Derek has brought that up at all, like called that into question at all, has infuriated him massively. So he goes, tears into him.  I don't want to see you again for like, he was like, I don't want to see your face for the next six months, you know?  And it literally ended drama in My Circle of Friends. It was all gone. Like all of the drama, everything anybody was complaining about, all of it was sourced by this one dude. And as soon as he was gone, it was like, oh, like we can live again. And this is why drama can be beautiful because it can have results. You don't want to be the person that the drama centers around, you know? Like that's not a good look.  But like to me, that's like- And didn't we all just admit to that tacitly? Well, sure. We did more or less.  No, not you. I'm talking about Derek. Well, actually no, I'm not even talking about anyone.  It like gives meaning to their life in some way. It gives them something to do when they're bored. I'm a big one. Go ahead. But you know, it's draining. It's draining on the people around you.   That is a bad look and I do not appreciate it. Yeah.  So like the way that people can like start gossip about like, it's kind of like Jesse's situation recently.  And it's just an example of this idea about how people can talk about stuff like that and just make it into a big deal, whether or not it was in the first place. And it's this kind of lever of power that people have.  Exactly, exactly. They're like, oh, that guy's got 14 billion subs.  More than the population of the earth. Yeah. Actually, it's interesting you bring that up. There's like this really interesting video series that this guy did about that whole controversy and saying how like all, like the two, I think it was like NBC and the Wall Street Journal or something were the two things that initially reported on this. And they're both owned by Rupert Murdoch. So he was saying like, doing this deep dive, like actually it had nothing to do with PewDiePie.  So all the advertisers would pull out to make them relevant again. Hey. It was like an hour long expose.  And it worked. Yeah, it worked fantastically. So like, oh, Ben, I have a question for you. And this isn't an accusation. It's just that with something legitimately, I'm legitimately interested in what you just said. How, how do you, and I'm not like, how would you explain away the fact that you take that stance on drama and then the whole rowdy fuckers cop killers? Like, we need to bring in fans. Well, here's, yeah, yeah, let me, let me just go summon you. I'm assuming in your mind. Strawberry, I'm sleeping. Oh, I'm, oh, I'm, but I'm here now.  And like I always do. It's the little toilet paper roll.  Well, it's like a, it's like a scepter.  Yeah. Okay. I'm fine with that one.  It's like, it's like those old, power rangers transform. Like in the first season of Transformers, when they like wake up the dinosaurs and they lumber out of their ages. I'd assume, I'd assume the transformation for Ben would work. He'd run into a public restroom, go into a stall, get a roll of toilet paper, stick it on his head, and that would start the transformation. Hold on. Yeah. And then it just, Ben, for canonical clarity's sake, are you implying that phantom horn only exists when you are performing phantom horn, like when you have become him? Canonically? No, canonically he lives in Ponyville. Okay. This flight of fancy is nearly that. All my other flights of fancy are canon.  It's a solidly existent. That is what makes Keg and Phantom the Greatest most important. Keg and Phantom are only meta in that they canonically live in Ponyville but also post to YouTube. And review my little ponies. Yeah, they watch the show in world. And like, yeah. Strawberry milk lives in my house and he doesn't pay rent even though he's dragon royalty. And he's just crashing out of my house and making raps day in, day out.  Yeah, sorry.  Um, okay. Well, all right. The thing about that, the thing about the, Monji, I don't know if you agree with this but I'm just gonna speak for myself for a minute. I don't feel like the Rowdyfuckers cop killers was stirring up real drama. I don't.   Yeah, give us the primer. Give us the primer.  Oh, God. Like, okay. Yeah, yeah. What? Like, basically, Rowdyfuckers cop killers is like a, I guess, a let's play show that me and Ben have but it's so much more than that in every single scene of the way. It's evolved. And when we start playing frog fractions, the infamous Homestuck spinoff game, we eventually just get so bored and we are using like a screen sharing software.   And it incurred it incurred some backlash from a couple of dudes. I believe did you refer to as the most like, something along the lines of like the most like haphazardly, viminous thing he's ever seen. I have a lot of venom. I have a lot of venom on the subject.  It was the most, I don't remember the word I used but it's a word that means like, you just didn't think about it. Like that this was going to come out and be public and people were going to watch it. No, but I knew, I liked it. We knew. And that's incredible to me. I felt it was like, I'd been sitting on these feelings for so like, I didn't want to come out with this when like leaving the pony thing was fresh.   I'd like to point out that I am literally wearing my brony shirt right now.  All right.  And we kind of dug into a couple of people for like hours, Dr. Wolf. Which was great. Which was very fun. It was all good fun. And like, you know, it was pretty great. Anyway, we get attacked by fucking, you know, assassins, a top grade brony assassins Miss Anthropronian for no good reason.  Before you go further, we should probably point out that for no good reason is a name, even though Miss Anthropony basically did just try and come at you for no good reason. Yeah. Right. For no good reason is a person, sort of. Yeah, yeah. Nominally. He's a technically. He's a technically. He is a human creature. And then after that, we recorded, we basically what we did is we made a response video to Miss Anthropony and FNGR's video. And after that, which was also like five hours long, then we made a like a seven hour long video where we invite FNGR on to watch, for us to watch our response to his video, of his video responding to us. So basically it's a clusterfuck. And all you need to know is that bronies hate us now, even though we're the saviors they deserve. And we're telling them everything we need to. So what's been the fallouts? So, okay, go ahead. The reason why I can feel this way about drama and not see any conflict with what I, what we did on Rowdyfuckers cop killers is that this is not a real fight, you know? Like this is not like nobody, at least nobody who's relevant to us is, like nobody who's on board with the PCP in any way is going to side with them on the bill. Like this is, this is, this is mean. I think, I think their opinions do not mean anything. And it's just funny. In the comments of this video, I think we'll argue otherwise. I don't even have any particular ill will towards Miss Anthropony, even though I think that his arguments were pretty dumb. But, but like, it's not a real fight. Like it's just funny. And it's just like a chance to like have like a good time just shitting on some people, you know, that I feel like deserve. I got the impression, even if Miss Anthropony, whatever, like that seems resolved. And FNGR certainly seemed to have an attitude of not sincere like investment in this like fight. He seemed to, you know, so I don't know. I don't know what's that scoundrel. I knew, I knew I was making people mad. But I didn't, I feel, I felt like we were pretty safe that this was not going to result in any like meaningful schism among like the people that are important to us. I, and that's, that brings me to one of the things, the things about drama. Every time I get into drama, people are like, why would you do that when you're going to make some people so mad? And it's because there's always going to be just as many people who are like really glad somebody said it.   Like it got, first of all, it brought up conversation with all those guys.  Lots of people were like, yeah, I echo these sentiments. And, you know, every, literally everyone I mentioned in the video gained shitloads of subscribers and patrons. Like it was because it just drew attention to people and drew attention to things, you know, like, anybody I praised, people were like, oh, I got to see why he praised that guy. Anybody insulted, they're like, let me see if I agree with these insults, you know. So like in the end, and this is why drama is such a hot commodity on YouTube now, which I, to clarify, none of my drama videos have been for popularity's sake. If I wanted that, I would go way harder on it. But like, there's a good reason it works for that. And it's because people want to be, it warps you into the conversation. Like more and more people keep involving themselves in the drama to bring attention to themselves. And Ergo, the drama grows and becomes a bigger and bigger deal. And therefore more and more people want to pile on it. And so it's just, it's just really beneficial for everybody involved. But you know, it's, it's vapid content. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. The thing here with Ralfriger's Cop Killers is that first of all, the original video is not a directed attack at any one person, but is instead us degrading a certain mindset and community as a whole. Of course we pick out certain people, but those are only symptoms of the larger problem that we have both faced individually within our lives. So it's not directed, and it's not exactly the most, you know, like trained, you know, calculated video as we stated many times. It's just, you know, us riffing. And I think that kind of plays into the atmosphere. Well, you know, you gotta play these things case by case. It's not like, you know, not everything can be judged by the exact same merits.  A lot of people I don't think would even consider it a drama video per se. It is just us talking as we always do. I mean, you know, PZP shits on a lot of people all the time, 100% in fact. So I don't think it's that far out of left field. The thing is, like anyone who's on the side of the Bro analysis community, I think they're dumb. And I don't want, I don't care if they're mad at me. There shouldn't even, there shouldn't need to be a divide, like Brody analysis community versus like Ben and Munchy. Cause like you specifically attack individuals, which is like kind of the whole point of it.  Like, oh, we need to like look out for our own. Yeah. No, you don't. No, you don't.   The weird group mentality is what we like, is what like I go like almost, or one of the hardest things that I hit on. Yeah, yeah. That's not as being not a fan of. And yeah, the fine, but the final chapter closed. We laid all our enemies to waste in the final episode of the Frog Fractions saga. Rowdy fuckers, cop killers, nine frog fractions, episode two, frog fractions, two part three, frog finale. RFCK9FFE2FF2P3FF. Wait, is that out? Is that the latest one? That's the latest one. That's the latest one. I just wanted to make the title as long and as obnoxious an abbreviation as possible. It's pretty cool. We completely melted and dissolved their avatars.  We have consumed our entire consciousness. And now we have gained complete and total control over both their Kundalini and their Merkaba. And now we can drive them as we see fit. We took their polygons and added them to our character models. And now we're like, now we're HD. Well, I want to talk about like why I think we can get away with some of this stuff that we do. Because like I think the PCP being such a strong foundation for all of us kind of allows us to like burn other bridges. Like there's a lot of people, I know content creators who will never say a mean thing about another content creator because they're just terrified of burning any bridge. They're like, I want to be able to work with all these guys in the future.  And I'm like, yeah, like, yeah, you're not going to say anything about it. You know, like, no, I want to be able to work with them in the future. I think with us, like, we know we've got these guys. Isn't that a cop out though? Isn't that a cop out? It totally is. Like to say that you want to work, if you don't like them, of course you don't want to work them.  You don't want to be the guy that's the first stone. Yeah, and for me, it's like, I already know I've got the PCP, you know, at the very least, I've got this group of friends and business associates that I don't have any problems with who I can work with, you know. And so everybody else is like, like, look, I don't need to have a thousand friends. I don't need to have a thousand connections, you know. I'm really, if insulting this guy means like his entire fan base hates me from now on, cool. I'll be over here with this other fan base who also hates that guy, you know.  Like like the kind of drama that everyone, you know, hates and, you know, dislikes makes fun of is the kind of drama that is about nothing. When you have like legitimate problems with people, obviously it can still be considered drama, but it's more pointed and, you know, constructive and important and actually, you know, worth having around as a species, as opposed to just someone disliking someone for, you know, miscellaneous reasons and just bringing up, like, just kind of waiting for them to do, you know, like the PewDiePie thing. He didn't do anything wrong.  I mean, you could argue that what PewDiePie said is not cool for whatever reason, but like I know that's not why they went so hard about it. Exactly, exactly. So I'm trying to say it.  That's like a legal issue. You know, I think it's like a lawsuit. I think that. Well, yeah, but I think it's both because I think that what those guys have done, yeah, that's obviously a legal issue and like it deserves to be brought, like brought to light probably, but the motivations for bringing it to life are, by the way, by the way. Here's, there's the problem with that whole thing. There's, there's two sides to it. There's the legal issues, which is like, hey, you diddle the dude, that's bad. Probably shouldn't do that. That's, that's not good. We can all agree on that. There's, there's also the people like, who hop on the bandwagon like, yeah, it happened to me too, by somebody somewhere, sometime, please pay attention to me. I want to keep this fire burning. And it's like, you're not, if you cared about the actual legal issues, you would, you would actually constructively solve the problem, but you don't. You just want to keep the fire burning. Cause again, like they're in a very, they started as an observer. They feel empathetic towards the cause, but they don't, again, they don't want to cast that stone.  That's like, that's like people people taking like, like Momki talked about, like taking the Elliot Rogers thing and like, like taking, taking something else that happened and using it as like a platform for their, for their agenda. Right. Yeah. Good point. That's what a lot of people are doing with this whole sexual outweighs thing right now. And that's when you, when you do that. Yeah. When you do it that way, that's drama. By the way, I'd like to come out real quick and castigate the guy who came forward with the allegations against Kevin Spacey.     This is rape.  Congratulations.  When I heard those, the allegations I heard were that he like, flirted with him. Like, did he even actually do anything to him? I have no idea. I have no idea what the situation is. If you can even look at somebody the wrong way, it's rape now. Okay. Okay. Let me spell that out. Let's keep this light, guys.   He couldn't even get with a 14-year-old.  And this was over 30 years ago, so that one's a little bit shaky. Who knows? Okay, but the new ones are people working on the set with him on House of Cards. Since the beginning of the show, we're saying, oh, he's groped guys and made inappropriate comments, which all sound very nebulous. And I don't, like, what's your actual core testimony first?  So I'm willing to believe.  Like, maybe some people heard that and internalized it, and maybe are, like, surprised in reality. I mean, maybe that was based on truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Oh, god. On one of the episodes that we had Asterios on the insufferable social media argument, he was talking about...  I don't remember.  But he was talking about how in the industry... The Asterios diaspora. When something like this happens, there's...  He was talking about the, uh, the, uh, the Weinstein thing, and how, like, everyone had known this. Like, this was just something that everybody knew in Hollywood. And he was like, every time one of these things comes out, that is always the case.  It's just, it's just waiting for the pin to drop when someone decides that you're next, that's when they come for you, you know? And, uh, there's no real... I mean, to me, it's like, it's never surprising, because it's like, you've got to be... You kind of have to be mentally damaged in some way to work in entertainment, you know?  Um, none of us is sane, I don't think. I don't think any of us qualifies as sane. Yeah, I know what you mean. I do my best. I'm cultured. I'm a philosopher. Well, okay, let me... So, okay, this is all interesting stuff, but, but let me just... So all of you guys, to some degree or another, have involved yourself with some drama-ish situation. Including Tom. Hashtag, uh, leaving the fandom. Hashtag, burning branches, you know? See, it's interesting that you say that, because I was gonna bring up... This is a really pony-charged episode today, I didn't expect. Well, I mean... We all had a lot of pony trauma. Well, it's true. It's true. It's because, like, that was, like, my one exception. But, like, for the most part, like, I think I'm the... I think, probably in general, I'm, like, the least drama person here, question mark, maybe. Like, I... I have something to say relevant to that. Okay. Oh, well, I didn't mean to interrupt, but... No, no, that's cool. If I have the floor, I just want to say that. Well, it's too late now. It's not that bad, but the reason... The reason why I felt comfortable making that Dungeons & Dragons Attack video, responding to it, and the reason why I jumped on that so quickly, is because I knew... Oh, that's a great example. ...is because I knew that, like, I could...  That was hilarious. I loved that. I figured that you would appreciate it, and I thought it was fun, and I was, you know, glad I saw an opportunity to be like, yeah, let's make a little thing out of this. Everybody got the joke. That's, like, anti-drama, almost. I mean, it's a faux drama, I guess. And, yeah, I think everybody appreciated it. But the reason... I... Yeah. Oh, sorry, yeah, finish your point, if you're... I was just gonna say it was great, and we should... I hope more of that. We should do more of that here on the PCP. Like, I agree. That's a good idea. Well, that's something I was gonna bring up, is that I think... But only when there's an issue that, like, I actually... Oh, wait, we should make a Patreon goal for the procrastinators. We will start PCP inter-PCP drama with each other. We will create an issue for you to love and latch on to a side, what were you saying, Tom? We'll just manufacture it. Well, I was gonna say, like, I was saying, I tend to try and avoid drama for the most part. And, like, when people, like, latch on to stuff, I tend to not jump into it, because even now, like, I still... I don't know, like, I just kind of, like... If... Even if there's something I want to say, I don't. And I think that's a problem. I think that makes my internet personality too boring. I think I need to start shitting on people. I think that would... That would do good things for my career. I feel like... I have the same fear that I'm not contentious enough. I just feel like I'm not that interesting. I feel like because I don't jump into conflicts head-on that it's actually actively damaging my prospects going forward. Better to... What's the saying? Better to be hated than not to be discussed at all or something like that, you know? I used to... Relevant online. I used to say and think a lot that, like, what I would really enjoy is if the PCP did get into some drama, not, like, inter-PCP drama, but, like, if maybe some other podcast or other show or other group of creators would maybe, like... We need to pick a fight with somebody. Yeah, with maybe, like, a similar clout to our own. Like, if maybe there's, like, some genuine... Some genuine... Wait, what'd you say? Our retrieval. Yeah, our retrieval.  I don't know. It's controlled drama. I wouldn't mind if we had, like, some genuine non-manufactured beef with some other group of, like, people that maybe have, like, similar or, like, slightly greater clout to us.  And it would be, like, a fair fight. And, like, we would trade blows and people would take sides. And, like, you know, people liked that kind of thing and it could be fun. Like, that's the kind of thing... Like, remember back in the pony days, sorry to bring it back to pony. But remember back in the pony days when we all saw it as, like, we're all in Bakuman and we're all the fucking... We're all, like, competing with each other, right? It's, like, a hot-blooded rivalry. I don't know. I missed that a little bit. That sense of needing to best others. Sure. It drives creation and enthusiasm. That's true. But the smart business decision for us to be would be to manufacture drama with a much larger podcast.  That's true. Like, we could somehow make drama happen with them. Like, that would be the best way to, like, suddenly boost our relevancy if we could do that or something. That was kind of something.   Like, just hoping that it would... Who is that guy again? Mark Maron's, like, the biggest podcaster in the world. Oh, okay, okay. He's the one who interviewed Obama that time. Well, then why haven't I heard of him?  Maron. I never heard of Netflix. There you go. When is the PCP Netflix show gonna come out? Thanks for spoiling Biggest Problem and when's there gonna be male-on-male rope on that one, huh, Kevin? It just started looking this week. It's not much of a spoiler because they never managed to get Mark Maron to fight people.  You spoiled that part for me too. Here, guys, okay. The reason I brought up this drama, Tom's drama, I'm just interested to hear everyone's individual story, but the reason I bring it up is because I want to point out how I am literally perfect. I am an evolved being. I am superior to all of you because I have never, ever been involved in drama of any kind. You're starting some drama right now.  Well, Nate, I think the thing about with you not having drama, you very much have tried to be like a... In spite of the fact that you're in the PCP, your YouTube presence has always been very independent and you do not associate as part of a community. You do not really like... When other people ask you about YouTubers, it's always either I watch them or I don't. It's never like, here's what I think they do to my content or what they do to the atmosphere of YouTube.  You're just like, I'm over here in my own world doing my videos, which is a healthy way to... I feel like... Most YouTubers probably are. Nate can get away with that because he has such a natural charisma just by default, where I don't.   I also think, Nate, that you would have more drama if it weren't for the fact that you tend to play things off in a very playful...  It just never starts anything.  Like, nobody takes it personally. They're just like, oh yeah, well whatever.  And like, yeah, it's a different atmosphere behind those sorts of things, you know? You can tell there's anger when I start drama. Yeah, it's true.  And like, I don't know. I can't...  Well, they don't care.  Like, oh, Ben is so mean. Ben did all of this. No, I was there too. I'm mean. I'm a bully too. Hashtag, what about Munchie? Hashtag, what about Munchie? Oh, I'm not responding because Ben was talking.  Thank you! Thank you! Well, that's finally... Munchie, in many ways, has the same thing as Nate, where Munchie's a big memer. So like, people are...   If Ben, who's... Ben is more of like a... I don't know. Ben is a very like, funny, lighthearted guy, but he's got a little bit more of like a heady persona, where like, if he insults somebody, it's like, well, fuck, if Ben thinks it, it must be serious, you know? I think Ben just has like that... He kind of comes off as a judgmental person in general sometimes. Oh, Ben is a very judgmental person. Jesus Christ. So when he does it, you know, it's like... I know who this Ben St. character is. This isn't for chuckles, this is for real. You know what it is? I can be really judgmental sometimes. And I don't really like that about myself. So I think that I avoid... Not with the pony stuff, but with most things. I try to avoid coming out and making statements against people, because I know that I don't want to let that out into the public sphere, because I don't like it. I also like to... And I know that no one's going to appreciate it. Wait, hold on. Ben, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I feel like you and Nate are different in this way. I think Nate, when he doesn't like somebody, doesn't think about him.   And then he hasn't stewed on it. With you and me, Ben, we stew on the people we don't like. Yeah, I definitely do that to an extremely large extent. We sit around, I know we have sat around and like...  Yeah, yeah, no. If there's someone we're both stewing on, you know. It becomes a little bit of a circus. You know, I try to like keep that down and not stew, but like when it comes up, I can't help myself. Sam, you know...  This does kind of...  And here comes your dose of the hashtag Weird Utilitarianism.  That's where I've been trying to steer this lumbering massive ship this whole time and we're moving in that direction now. It's like, I'm totally pragmatic about this. What good is done by me dwelling on people I don't care... Like just yesterday, I was telling you guys about a YouTuber, I have decided now I do not care about anymore and I'm not going to think about them anymore. And it's been great and I have not. They broke the bridge and I'm done with them. Yeah, this is useful. I'm not going to say. I don't hate the person at all, but... I appreciate that. I appreciate that. A while, I don't know. And I've tried to do that. You're all tight. I'll type it. I've tried to do that with, I don't know, with people with political opinions or social opinions.  I just decided, okay, all I want to do is destroy these people and make them not exist, but I can't. So the best thing to do... All I can do is not watch their content and not think about them. Exactly. That's the only thing at my disposal. So yes, when possible, that is my weapon of choice. I wish I had the mindset that you have, Nate, because for me, people can become a meme in my mind. I'm way on your side.  Oh my God, exactly. It's kind of like with Sword Art Online, how that show, just watching it's a bad show, but the more me and Victor made fun of it and talked about it, the funnier it got to me.  And it brings me joy to see it. And I get that way. I don't want to start any drama by saying this, but this is exactly what Mother's Basement is for me in my life.  And especially because people, for some reason, this is not provocated by me, I don't know how this happened other than that we're sort of around the same sub count, the same kind of around popularity as YouTubers.   I'm glad you're still doing this kind of videos you're doing. It happens all the time. Do you want to accept this frightening? And I want to be like, I got to talk to these people and be like, yeah, I see that. Like I see why.  This is starting to get out of hand. I'm like, let's dip this.  But like, you know. And I'll still work with Jeff on some things. I don't hate the guy. But it became so funny to make fun of him that now he has a big meme. When you start drama with someone and you focus on them so much, like initially there's no funny parts there, at least most of the time.   I won't say who in this call I did that with Jeff that turned him into a meme in my mind. But what if he was partially responsible for that? That isn't, Jeff is an example of where I have taken the opposite approach because thinking about Jeff feels bad to me. Thinking about someone like Jeff, thinking about someone like Jeff turning out content that is like designed for SEO optimization and stuff.  Play the algorithm or whatever. But more so than that, more so than him doing the thought of people buying into it. This goes the same for like someone like Dr. Wolf on like a larger scale. The idea of someone doing that and people buying into it upsets me and makes me mad.  In my impotent rage and the best thing to do is just stop thinking about it. As funny as the meme, as funny as it is to make fun of Jeff, I do eventually enter that state where I'm like, well, I can laugh at this all I want, but that motherfucker's laughing to the bank. You know, that guy's making way more money than me at the end of the day. And no matter how many of his fans leave him to come bitch to me about him, he'll always have more fans coming in.  Whatever, Jeff can do whatever he wants. I guess I should focus more on the drama itself. Yeah, I don't know.  Or people that are a different race. That's how I feel about every single one of you.  And by the way, I want to point out that that stage, this is not like a lighthearted thing. This is a cold calculated, this is the optimal way to destroy these people. I would expect nothing less from you, Nate. Of course it was. I come off lighthearted, but I want to destroy people. I have that seething desire. Okay, go on. Then there's the Ben. Just kidding, I'm fun. Hey guys, send me messages. There's the Ben and Digi approach where you try not to care, but you can't and then it gets funny and then it becomes bad. For me, it's like I try not to care, then I get mad and then I'm just like, well, the problem is me. I should be doing better. And then I just get mad at myself and that's what I do. Oh, right, all right. That's tough. That's tough. I have the skills. There's no reason why this shouldn't be working. And then I just hate myself and that's the worst. I have an element to that with the Jeff thing where sometimes I'm like, but why am I not doing what he's doing? Like, that man is gonna surpass me and for most people, they won't be able to tell the difference. Like, I can sit here and say like, oh, I make real content. He doesn't, not so much so that it's a huge difference. That only matters to you, right? Yeah, me and my fans. Yeah, but to the average Joe. To the public at large, the numbers tell the course.       That's the genius, the, what's it called? Like the genius paradox or some shit like that, where it's like, basically you can understand people who are like either like 30 points below or 30 points above you in IQ and anything beyond that.   Like that episode of a regular show where they get up killers. I just can't believe, just can't comprehend us. It's just too big. Yeah, we're 7,000 IQ points above the Brown Alice community, and they call you a neighboring retard. They say that like, they say that like the best play, if you want to be like a businessman, the best place to be is in like the 100 to 110 range of IQ. Yeah. Because you can, you can, you can sell stuff to idiots, you can sell stuff to normies, you can sell stuff to people who are kind of smart and you don't gotta worry about the extremes. I think everybody in the PCP sits around anywhere from like 125 to 145, you know? Like we're all in this upper level. And like, so when we get down, when we get down to the people who are like IQ 80, like Miss Anthropony. Damn.  Startin' drama again right here. Do you think Miss Anthropony has an IQ above 100? Miss Anthropony, I have no problem with you. You're trying your best out there, buddy. I don't know enough about IQ to make statements like that.  It just makes it so people like me can't possibly fathom how you think I would. I'm glad according to Digi, we all have excuses now for why we love Morgan Morty so much. I won't make any sweeping statements about the man, but his arguments in the videos directed at me did not give the impression of overwhelming intelligence. I've seen that do his content since back in the pony days, when he made videos, by the way, shitting on all of us, and yet is somehow like the biggest fan of the PCP. I'd like to point out for the record that, as far as I know, mine is the only one that's still up, even though it was- Oh, is that true? Oh really? Wait, you what? His attack video by Miss Anthropony? Yeah, he deleted all the other ones, but he made mine and then put the apology at the end of mine and kept it up. What? Yeah. Great, great. Which I always found was kind of funny. So that's the most I'm going to get into that drama is that. That was kind of weird. No offense to you Miss Anthropony, you might be fine, but I'm just saying, you might not be the most intelligent person, and that's fine. The statements of Digi Bro do not reflect the- I think there's some intent, offense going to come through there. Should I be concerned? Hey, we're just breaking ball. Oh, he's getting it out of this. I don't know. Oh my god. We're just breaking ball. No, no editing, no filter, nothing. Yeah, this is all good. This is all going on. In fact, it's going to be echoed so they hear it twice. Now I feel bad because Miss Anthropony comments on this channel and really likes the show. Yeah, he loves it. Yeah, he does. Look, we're just joking around here.  Like, he did. He did, but it didn't. He did, but it didn't make me feel bad because it just bounced off because it didn't mean anything to me. It seemed to me- It seemed to me that Jackie was pretty mad.  She did, she was pretty mad. I'm not going to specify- I'm going to keep it vague here, but while I was at Ben's just a week ago, it was the most euphoric time because every time we got in the car we just hotboxed insults about the various people within our lives. And it was just like a drama hotbox where we were just high on vapes and anger and we just fucking- It was a lot. We just rode to Valhalla. It sounds like a normal day in the St. household. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, pretty much. It was very cathartic though. Bunchy, did they get you to vape? Did they convince you to vape? No, no. Please say no. Please don't let that disgusting stuff touch your lips, Bunchy. Thank you. Thank you.  It was really awful. After an entire day, it was like hey, I can't vape, I need some peace of please.  I just couldn't speak anymore. I actually believed that's possible in a car with Ben and Jackie because they vape way harder than normal people vape.  Yeah, there's a haze in the house. I was surrounded by fog the entire time I was at Ben's house.    I don't even know who that is, Doug. And inhale it. Jackie hits that vape like my dad hit my mom when I came out.  My deepest apologies for your oncoming emphysema, indeed. I'll never forgive you. Okay guys, let's center ourselves here. Yeah, let's center our chakras. Let's center our G, yeah. Let's talk about how drama has objectively zero worth and is a waste of all your time to even engage it in, even a little bit. I completely disagree, but this is what I can't hear arguing. That's what I want to talk about. Because the rowdy fucker stuff was fun and people liked it. It was a great time. It was completely fun to record and it was fun for all of our audience. It was fun for the whole family and everyone enjoyed it.   Well, because with that, with both snob and F&GR, they deserve it because they're dishing it out constantly. And it's all anybody wants to see is for someone to come along. Just want to go on the record and say that F&GR is far inferior to Miss Anthropony. F&GR is by far the greater villain on that side. Oh yeah, I honestly don't have that much hard feelings towards what he said about me and my brother. But you know what, F&GR is far worse and honestly, he should be eliminated from the game. He should be dissolved. Oh my God. He should be removed from the board. My 20 player kill streak should end with all of him being each 20 players that I kill and that's how I feel on the subject. Okay, okay. F&GR and that anime snob are both dudes who thrive on drama who think for some reason that everybody wants it, like that everybody wants them to do that. And no one really does. I think that's the excuse they make. Yeah. That's the excuse they make. And I think that in both cases, there's a huge amount of people just waiting in the wings hoping someone destroys these guys.  Like with that anime snob, like what everybody always told me is like just don't bother with him because like what's the point?  I think I told you that too, but in hindsight, I understood. Cause on the one hand I hated that anime snob and I didn't want him to gain the exposure that would inevitably come from you talking about him. But now with the benefit of hindsight, I can see like why just for your own enjoyment and for your own catharsis. Well the thing about snob and F&GR is that they will never stop. They're both, both of those guys are in their late 30s. Both of those are guys in their late 30s who've been on the internet for decades, who have been doing the same thing forever and will continue to. F&GR is still making weekly videos about the My Little Pony fandom in 2017, November 2017. Like nothing's gonna stop those two guys from continuing to do that. So like you're not gonna, people are like oh if you give him attention it's just gonna empower him. Nothing's gonna stop him. Like he's always gonna be doing this.  You will not be able, I'm totally with you. You will not be able to stop people who wish to engage in drama. But here's what my argument would be that but your time can be better used than wasting it on involving yourself with these people.   Using my patented formula of weird utilitarianism available at all CVSs for 1999, you can strive, you can strive to achieve getting as close to that goal as possible which I think is what we should all try to do. That's what I would want. And certainly drama on this level is not something that I would want to overindulge in. Or even make a regular part of my diet. Can the value of drama be from that? It galvanizes your audience against something and that kind of gives them something to be invested in and enhance your personal narrative. I would even admit that there is entertainment value to drama, I would just limit it and to keep things in perspective, that's all.  I wanna bring up this amazing Dick Masterson quote that really like for me clenched like why drama is fine and he was talking about how because a huge part of the dick show was him making fun of Maddox.  Partly to protect himself because it makes it easier for him to have all the cards if the public is swayed to his side but he was talking about the criticism he always gets like this show just relies on drama and he said, I'm sorry that I provide serialized content with deep archetypal characters who to tell you something about the world around you and like yeah it's just a show. What he's turned it into, he's taken real life and turned it into a TV show and what we get out of a TV show is that it helps us to better understand the world. Like looking at Maddox and the particular ways that he fails is actually kind of helpful to like dealing with other people like Maddox.   He's not just defined by being the anti-Maddox guy and like that makes it like mean something that he has these opinions. If you're like FNGR, your whole thing is you're in there coming down on people left and right.  Like you can't understand enough of what comes out of his mouth to figure out what his stance is. There's nothing that could save that particular content.   The day of reckoning is coming.  And he's not gonna go well for him. He was one of the original Martians that came to Earth and then you integrate into the population and he's just so greedy and power driven. FNGR is fully left brain, fully male. His proto-masculine ideology will not survive the test to come. They will not endure it.  Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. It's true for the capital T. Do you think that that is spirit science where the mind expansion meme came from? Oh my god.  I was just wondering maybe.   Dude, it feels so weird because it feels like a parody of an educational video that will be in a movie.  I'm sure it's real. But the comments we weren't sure. We read this guy. This guy named Bobo the Bacon Lord or something like that. And he had this comment that I read and it was amazing. And I just was stewing over whether it was a troll comment or not. Like I couldn't tell. It was fascinating. I highly recommend going to watch spirit science and reading the comments because it's just getting lost. It's again, it's like the genius thing where it's so out there, you can't believe it's real. But it must be real. I did some research and I found something interesting. I'm gonna share with you.  He talks about like the Egyptian God thought like reveals these things and that's how we know. And I was like, how are you talking to him? Like where is this source? And I looked it up and it turns out that in that video he references a book and the book is by some guy.   Dude, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's what the whole thought thing is about.    I don't know if this constitutes as like drama but me and Munchy, we're watching the videos at one point we are considering doing something similar to a rowdy fucker's cop killer's like four spirit science and I think it could be like the greatest idea of all time. I would like to do that in the somewhat near future before the world ends of course and before we re-reach the end of the perception of the Equinox and we turn back into our spa and sleep phase. We have to use our third eye while it's still open if you know what I mean. The world needs to see this shit, it's unbelievable. Okay, well. We haven't been watched the human history movie in its entirety by the way and it was a transcendent experience. It shed a lot of light on a lot of things for me. Yeah, it really does a lot of clarify. Let's get back to that topic with the drama. We've made this story into the spirit science episode. I'm just saying, I'm just saying there were a lot. Oh my God, we should have a praise consciousness episode. We should. That's a great idea. I'm writing it down right now. I'm just saying it really shed light on a lot of the mysteries that I had not understood like the energy networks permeating the earth. I'd always won. And that's why all of those military bases are on this grid on these tiny islands. On the nodes, they're on the spirit nodes, dude. It all makes sense. Let's get into maybe the negative effects of drama. Well, yeah, I want to start that off with saying that I too have had a Derek in my life. And eventually he became like a joke to me. I would eventually just go to my friend's house and whenever we would talk, we would just be like, hey, I wonder what this guy is doing.  So it would just turn into such a valuable entertainment that would be better than watching a movie. It would just be us thinking about what he's done and what kind of a person he is. And picking apart the characterization of him and writing fan fictions about him in our brain. And that became our entertainment. And basically it was a great time. And the negative effects of drama is that it is inherently unsustainable. Like these people, the guy, is an instigator. And he, obviously when you're an instigator, you want to start drama. So when you start drama and that's your entire deal, then eventually it's gonna get to the point where the drama you make is gonna be about you and you are going to be the drama that is removed. You are going to be like- I think that's kind of what has happened to Snob. Like no one pays attention to him anymore because all anybody knows about him is that he wasn't supposed to start drama. That's what I was saying before. Like drama can be fun and all, but if you become a drama person, then you become the one causing the drama. He did get literally booted from the platform. So that didn't help his visibility exactly.      As depicted, the right-of-hook is cop killers.   You'll have to create new drama so that there will be drama for like your life because you need it. It's a dangerous road. If you develop that appetite, you will need to feed. For me, drama's best served as a side dish and not a main course. Yeah, that's very true. I gotta say though, the best is when drama just falls in your lap. That's when it's truly beautiful. Yeah, that's why I think it's an opportunity. It's just giving me permission.    Yeah, the reason I came at Forever World so hard is that he got on Twitter and was at messaging Crunchyroll and miles from Crunchyroll, sending them my video and being like, how dare you have this person at your convention when he's anti-legal streaming or whatever, which I'm not and he completely misinterpreted the video. So for me, I was just like, oh, this is such a beautiful opportunity. Forever World is a dummy who just misunderstood your point and thought you're just like, oh, never pay anything, even though you literally pay for whatever.  It's okay. It's okay. It was just that feeling of seeing this guy who I've never really watched his content because I mean, it's terrible. And it's like, I have every reason to fight this dude because there's nothing I can gain from being friend. Like nobody likes him that I know. There's no bridge that I'm worried about burning. So this guy just drops. This guy's number one fan right here. See, my wall on a 7 on the plate real quick. You can engage with drama and it can be fine as long as your hands are clean. But if you're the one stirring the pot, it's dangerous and people will come at you for it. The best part is that he has more subscribers than me. So it wasn't like I was punching down. It's like a guy. You can unshackle the beast. Oh, he handed me himself on a platter.    Like it's not a big deal. And I was like, okay. Well, I'm not going to keep picking on him if nobody takes him seriously.  Just come back. Just come make another video about me. I'm ready, you know. Here's the thing that's frustrating me. And it's, this is semi drama related, but it's the idea of sort of the prodigal son.  So there was a father with two sons. He had one son that was a good old boy and just did his homework and did his chores and drank his milk and grew up being strong.  And like the son who stayed around, like he just continued to do his job diligently. And the father, you know, thought it was okay.    And this is evident in like every level of human interaction.  So like, I feel like drama is one of the ways that bad behavior is rewarded. And not just because like you start, like even if you like bad intentions are what get rewarded when people do this stuff. Like if you, like if someone starts drama and then gets called out or someone doesn't commit a crime and then they are redeemed some way, that person will be more loved than the person who did nothing wrong the entire time. And like drama is very much related to this.  It comes back and surges in popularity every single. I want YouTube to delete my channel.  It will happen. It will happen. I'll tell you that never, it never helped me. I've had my channel deleted twice.  Well, there's your issue right there. You gotta make, you gotta cry. You have that righteous indignation. Exactly. Okay, but that is true. Maybe it doesn't double everybody's size all the time, but it never hurts as long as you actually get the channel back. I mean, it did probably increase my Patreon though. Cause like people just get worried about you, I guess, and start going money at you, which is interesting, you know? Well, so that's the concept I'm talking about here.       And Maddox is effective at like, Maddox is effective at like, since he is famous, he's good at like giving other people stuff.    Anyway. Well the man did literally invent the internet, so credit for that. I wanted to talk about the negative effects of drama, the main ones that I've felt, mostly that whether or not the person you have drama with takes it seriously, some of their fans will take it very seriously.  It was other auxiliary people who thought, like who were just upset that I had done that. The worst, I'm just gonna call them out. Let's start drama right now. Oh, here we go. It would not be a drama cast without it, all right. The worst of them all is Nolan B. from the Pizza Party podcast. Oh my God. Because that guy had invited me onto the podcast. He was a big fan of me. He invited me onto the Pizza Party.  Apparently my friend Blind Skywatcher, like obsessively watches his videos as a meme, like cause he's like deeply fascinated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so the Pizza Party podcast was a very popular podcast, apparently. I was invited on by Nolan B. Nobody else in the podcast really knew who I was. It was kind of a mediocre show. I didn't really enjoy doing it.  But after that he kept trying to stay in contact with me but I never really responded cause I didn't really know the guy and a lot of the stuff he would ask me and stuff you could just find out by watching my videos. So I kind of kept them at arm's length.  Nobody who watched, who was insulted in the video was even angry about it, you know?   Which is very gratifying in itself. I think we've all done that at least. Like whether we start open drama, when people come at you, it's so satisfying to show your friends and point and laugh at them. Oh, definitely. That guy, by the way, on that guy, I forget how I found his Twitter, but apparently he's like still going hard on like the PCP itself is horrible and we're all bunch of crazy losers. Who Nolan B is? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Can we start some, can we start some?  Do we have a B?  It's PCP versus PPP. Yeah. PCP versus PPP, dude. We got it. It's that C versus P. It's that C in that P. There's a little, I will clarify.  No, no. We need to do a few months of research to categorize the actual accusations made. Before I jump into that, I will say we do have, we do have shared audience with them. I know that. I know that there are people who like both our podcasts and theirs, which means it's even a better reason to start drama. Oh my God. Do you think they would bite if we deliberately started drama? You've already got one so down on that. Maybe I'll listen. Maybe I'll go listen to some just to see because I've never listened to them. I have to have legitimate grievances, but the fact that they should talk you is that's like the first bullet in my clip already. That's a good springboard. Oh, it sure is. I don't remember if he took down that Tumblr post, but like if I could find it, if you guys read that thing, you'd be like, oh God. I remember reading this at the time. Yeah, yes. But I wanted to know. I'm curious about what he said about the PCP and stuff. Yeah, because then I have some skin in the game now. It's just some offhand comments like the PCP. Like, he has the same air that Vita did in that first Miss Anthropony Vita. Like, oh, Munchie, I don't watch that channel. I have standards. Well, I mean, that's cool and all guys, but you know, the PCP doesn't feel the need to heavily edit and speed up its audio in order to be in. Yeah. Just saying. Yeah. I'm not over here.  By the way, I do have an old grievance with Rebel Taxi and that he's one of the leading. Oh my God, it's happening. He is one of the legions of people who made disgusting and unworthy Gurren Lagen reviews that I had to correct on my channel. So you're welcome for that, Rebel Taxi. Your scene has been washed away. Let's do it.  That's true. Like, everyone in our audience knows what we're doing. Oh man. But it would be so funny. I'm so happy that this. I want it. This character arc that has been like, this like a storyline that has started within my group of friends is becoming a real thing, not a joke that is actually transpiring in real life now. Oh, how fortuitous. I know. It's incredible. Well, is there anything else to say on the subject? Or should we move on to questions? I think we've run the, I mean, I don't know. Drama is good unless it isn't, most of the time it isn't, but sometimes, mwah. Oh. It's a good spice on top of your normal content. Yeah, there was one more negative consequence of drama I wanted to show you up, which is just that because I personally have started so much drama, it seems like a lot of smaller creators are like afraid of me. Like a lot of people seem tepid about approaching me. I don't know if that's more because I'm popular or if it's because of the drama. I feel like I may have seen that a little bit. But it seems like both. I've definitely had people seem like they're afraid to approach me and when they wanna ask me for something, for a project, it's always like they'll do it through somebody else I know or like try to work their way in and I'm like, dude, I talked to my fans in the comment sections. Like I'm not hard to reach. You don't have to do this. People should have a normal amount of trepidation about, I don't know, like trying to show something to someone who you might be wasting their time. Not even that, like for instance, I mean, there's the big anti-tuber chat room that I was initially not added to. Jeff claims that's because he forgot to send me the message.   Which is like, it's just a mischaracterization of like, yes, I get into drama, but it's usually because we've reached. It's always justified for a specific reason. We've reached the end of a rope and it has to, something has to give and I'm not willing to stay quiet forever the way a lot of people are, you know?  Just because you like said hi. I get a lot too, weirdly enough.  I don't wanna die.  Of course I don't allow them the time to prove themselves. Whereas if they had faced me unblinking with the sheer terror they could on their face, then I might have spared them.  Exactly, currently in one piece, Big Mom has this power where, actually, you know what? I won't spoil it, never mind, forget it. Excellent. It was relevant, but I'm not gonna spoil it.   I don't feel the need, I guess, to go into it in detail, but I personally choose, in general, to live my life like just talking about ideas.  And I try to do everything by that and I just think it makes the most sense. And Best Guy Ever talks about Star Trek. Hey, Star Trek's not bad, you could do worse, you could do worse. Especially Star Trek Discovery on Sundays at 7 p.m. on NBC. To me, drama is just like, treat it as if you're watching a funny YouTube video and expend that exact amount of time on it, a.k.a. not that long per day, if at all. And just use it as a funny entertainment every once in a blue moon. Yep. Yeah, that's how I feel about it. That's good, good, good.  That, there you go, that's my strategy. That's the news from the street, from Munchie Wears, tiny hats. I feel like I'm gonna regret that I potentially just started more drama with Nolan B. Like, I already regret having said anything. What have I done? Oh, God, what have I done?  Okay, he's done. We need to start a PCP drama when you told us to take it out, but we didn't cut it out. Now you're mad at all of us. And we begin, the destruction begins. Who's the Maddox of the PCP? Davoo. Yeah. Oh, he will be very insulted to hear that. But anyway, thanks. All right, let's do some questions before we're doing this, motherfucker. Let's do it, everybody. Okay, how about, this isn't a question, at Janiz Makudomaru, when is they progress? Later's at Bingo board.  Well, all right, there you go. Okay, we'll look into this. We'll look into it. We'll really know next episode what's about to inspire.  Whether or not he's slinging shit, there definitely seems to be a sentiment among people who follow him that is very anti-PCP. Okay, okay. Oh my God. What was Janiz's most Kudomaru? This is gonna be our first Moby Dick.  Oh.  We've been assembling this motley crew for just such a promised day. For the record, the opinions of some PCP members do not reflect the opinions of others. Anybody who does not want to be involved in this drama is not involved in this drama. Do not throw everybody under the bus of the PCP just because me and Ben and Mudgey happen to be at this. This has nothing to do with anybody who's not on this episode.  Unless they do. At least not yet. Yeah, at least not yet. They will, they will. The only reason I'm so enthusiastic is because whenever I see a pan pizza video thumbnail, I just laugh so hard that I cry. I gotta check this out. Okay, whatever. All right, listen.  I'm sincerely interested. Okay, good. Update us. Here's the thing. At JaniesMakomomoro asks, or doesn't ask, but says, when does a procrastinator's bingo board getting made get on it fans? And I actually think that would be a great idea when listening to the PCP. I'm surprised we haven't done that yet. That should be a real thing. I think maybe because we have a rotating cast, maybe every individual member would need their own bingo board. Oh, that's not a bad idea. Because if it was something like Nate's weird utilitarian, well, I mean, that doesn't count because you're on every episode. But if it's something like, I don't have to be though. But if it's something like, you know, Tom, Tom, Every time the police are riding, every time Ben vapes, or folks up editing. I made a drinking game with that already.  That's true. It seems more our speed than a bingo board, to be honest. Oh, okay. Well, whatever, bingo board. Well, okay. Some fan wants to make a bingo board. Please do. Yeah, please. If you want to do all the heavy lifting for us, because we're just too busy with all this amazing content. We'll retweet it so everyone could use it. For sure. From the procrastinator's Patreon lounge, don't enter our Patreon for just one measly miniscule of a dollar.  And if you're in the Discord, you're much more likely to have your questions right on the show, such as a question from a...   Who would be the worst two people to have on a podcast at any given time? I think me and Davoo, even though I really like Davoo. I remember you and Davoo did not gel at all on the first rowdy fuckers. Yeah. You did not know what to make of you. We gel kind of rail in real life, like a little bit. I mean, it was normally just because we have a lot to say about Mario and Luigi, but other than that. Yeah.  I think, I'm gonna say me and Jesse because we do not see eye to eye on anything. And even like as far back as the show has gone, there have been things that Jesse has said that I have tried to argue. Like I remember we're talking about like attitudes towards fans and stuff and like attitudes towards criticism. And I have, it has made me so mad before. And I have, and it just does not, but not in a good way. You know, a lot of us approach things differently. The problem with this question is that it depends on what the podcast is about. Like I think, that is true. Just in general.  Cause you're both like very attentive viewers. I think if Davoo and Munchy had a conversation about like weird art. Like weird like deep web art. It would be a fascinating podcast. So like any combination of us, it's just a matter of finding the thing that the two of us can discuss. You know? I agree. I asked Davoo to which he replied, ha ha, if you wanted to do an arm retrieval about the Kirby anime. And I think that would be hilarious. That sounds like a good plan. Yeah. Hey, listen to this question. Me and Davoo were gonna do, like when we were in Atlanta, we were walking around and Davoo was saying that we should do like a two person show about like weird art. And I was into it at the time, but it never got brought up again.  There's still time. There's still time. Hey, let's know this question here. At Mozu Disposition asks, is reverse Bukake pro feminist?  Yeah, yeah. Girl secreting? I'm gonna do it.  Oh, my God. I assume it's a girl squirting on a guy. Okay, I checked it out and I went to my friend Urban Dictionary and he told me that reverse Bukake is the act of one man being ejaculated on by a group of girls. So there you go. Is that pro feminist? I'm gonna say no. No, no, no. Why? It's still, because they still meant for a guy to jack off to.  Let's move on to another.  You're scared of, you fear women's power. That's why you want to get away from this question. Of course I do. Of course. Student of Ethereum, who always asks like a thousand questions on every episode, but they're usually all right ones in there. Favorite internet content creator who isn't making content anymore? Mr. Beton, I was just gonna say Mr. Beton. Mr. Beton. Oh, I would say Christian Weston Chandler, but he's back, but his new stuff sucks and is boring. So as far as I'm concerned, Christian is dead. What's he making now? What's he doing?  Like they're just like him sending a positive message about trans rights, snore. Ha, ha, ha. Agreed, agreed.  I'm fine with Parker91 being over. I'm fine with that chapter of not being closed.  I need to research this.  Jan, please come back. I love you with all my heart. I love DIY high guy where you play the role of a CIA agent trying to test out various different drugs.  DIY high guy. That sounds good. That sounds good. Oh, did his channel get like deleted or was it to take it down for some reason? No, no, no, it's just like he's just not there anymore for like some unfortunate reason. Maybe he tried every drug and there was nothing left to do. Let's hope so. I wanna ask a two-part question mostly because the question itself is fascinating, more so than whatever answer we could give. It's from SquidMiku who asks, have you ever had a food phase? For example, I ate nothing but spaghetti-os for one year. Also, what's something weird you like to eat? For example, for me, it's yogurt sandwiches.  I got really into tea for a while there. I was drinking a lot of weird teas. I'm currently in my tea phase.   No, I'm talking about stuff that I got from like an herb shop that I like brewed. Oh my God.  Yeah, I got some like fancy white tea and was like way into like learning the exact temperature to brew it at and stuff. Oh my God. It was fun, but I don't do it anymore because it's a hassle. I didn't even know that was a hassle. And the reward is not worth it. I didn't know that Beyblade customization was the thing that you could do with tea though I realized it's now obvious in retrospect. I'm gonna do that now. It's gonna be a new thing that I do. So there you go. I actually did. For a sophomore year of college, I survived mostly on gigantic boxes of goldfish. Gigantic boxes, I mean bring them up to my room. I would not leave or eat out for days. Nothing but spaghetti is for a year. Yeah, it was terrible. It was terrible. I've seen that maybe even worse. And by the way, by the way much and literally I lived above the mess hall. All I had to do was walk downstairs to free food all day and eat it.  There was like. I'm a monster. It was the year after that I started working out and eating more. So that was probably why. When I first got in sixth grade, which by the way my sixth grade year, I started off the year like the last day of summer I watched the human history movies for the first time. I believe that was the year at least. Anyway, great year to start off. For like the entire first half of the year, like six months, I ate nothing but bags of croutons. Whoa. Weird. Where'd you get them? I just went to Bond's. I went to Bond's and I just packed it so croutons. Just croutons and goldfish in both of your cases. Just carbs, simple carbs. Yeah, that's it.  Don't you need protein or something? No. Digi, look at me. Look at me, Digi. You think I need anything that's not carbs? No, never. Muchi's body consumes its own waste products and recycles it.  I feel gross and I need to go eat another thing. You just got to delicate stuff there, Digi.  When World War III stops, I'm only going to have packets of croutons that's all I'm going to be able to assist off of.  This is Digi. Digi's just been spoiled by all that sweet Patreon money. He can afford to buy something new all the time. I can't afford to buy whites in a day. I'm a relatively picky eater, but I won't. I don't know.  And I ate until I was full. And then later, I tried to eat more. And even though it was delicious, my stomach was like, you need another kind of nutrient than this.  So go eat a different thing. He has an acute case of Rich Person Syndrome. His pal is spoiled. Well, maybe your body is more attuned to what it actually needs or something. I don't know.   And I'll be like, oh, God, that was so bad.   But then I'll be like, wait. And I'll go and I'll eat an apple afterwards. And think that it'll make me less full, but no. It just makes you more full. It doesn't actually work to make you feel better. I would say I've never been through a food phase like what you guys are describing. But I've been through lots of just, what's the word for all the foods you eat? Like your diet, I guess? Yeah, your diet, sure, sure. I've been through diet phases, not like doing a diet, but where I'm eating the same seven or eight things, and then it cycles into a different seven or eight things at some point. And I'll have phases where I got really into spicy food for a while.  Or I got like way into onions for a while, but it was never to an extent like just eating onions all the time.  When I was in California, and I was super poor and living for free and some guys in my friend's side room, I did have a phase of like, I used to eat tons of egg sandwiches, because eggs are really cheap, and bread is really cheap, and I would just fry eggs and put them on bread. See, I had a phase. I had a phase of being way into egg salad sandwiches, but I wouldn't say it was eating all the time. I love egg salad, by the way. Like I did have a phase where I would make myself an egg salad sandwich probably every other day for lunch, but it's not like all of us eating. Side note here, how awful is it that we've led anime gone the better of us? I mean, it didn't do a spicy bro pack to anime Expo, name Digi.  It was, we tried, but we had like some game for it. I was there too. I said Nate. Oh, you did? Oh, OK, OK. It's a shame that Rycon 3 coming up real soon. Part two of that question, though, did any of you have a weird thing you like to eat? Like, I don't think any, there's lots of stuff I would describe as like, maybe not something everyone eats, but nothing that's not considered a dish, you know? I mean, I kind of eat, I mean, so like after, OK, I mean. There's you with the cans of beans, Nate. Even your cans of beans. My famous patented dark red kidney bean cans, which I love. That's not considered like a, like, it's weird to eat as much of it as you eat, but it's not weird to eat kidney beans. Well, I wasn't even going to bring that up. By themselves, I would say that it is.  Our example was yogurt sandwiches. Well, I don't have anything like that. What I was going to say was, like, I feel like this sort of counts, so like after I work out, I would normally consume like protein, chocolate protein powers, just the kind I like. And then I got the stuff creatine, which is, I don't know, it's famous and fitness stuff, it helps you grow muscle. But that's fruit punch flavor. And I used to drink them one after each other.  What am I going to do? Brilliant plan. I literally combined them, and I drink chocolate fruit powder, fruit punch mixture. And it's really gross, but I drink it anyway, because it's efficient. I did for a while do a thing that I think was actually good, and I don't understand why people thought this was weird, because I think it just makes sense and is tasty. But I would make my morning coffee, and then I would put a scoop of chocolate protein powder in it, and blend it into like a protein mocha thing. Dude, I tried to make a Ben Saint, and it got all, I think my protein was too sticky. That's not a Ben Saint. That's a Ben, well, I won't say my real last name, even though I don't care anymore, and lots of people. Yeah, yeah, that's the Ben, my real name, which I don't know why I'm being weird about it. But now I've done it, and I'm going to stick to the decision. I like not saying my name online. It's just fun for me. The Ben Saint is whole milk, ice, and cherry juice. Ben Saint's not your real name? Juice from a cherry, from a maraschino cherry jar, plus some cherries. Wait a minute, that's your last name? That's my last name. Whoa, are we like related weird? Impossible. Wait, are you two keg and phantom horn from T-Bap? I never knew. Wait, you're saying that your real name isn't Guy Saint? What the? My real name isn't Standard after all. I betrayed you all. Okay. Bizarre. Anyone else have an answer to this? I want to accuse Tom of having one. Ooh, drama. This isn't even something that's weird to eat. It's just weird to think about the existence of, because Tom, I don't know if you still are, but you were a vegetarian.  I still am, yes. And you are big into Taco Bell because they will replace the meat with beans on all of their stuff. Yeah.  Just don't go to Taco Bell. It makes sense to me.  I love fast food. And Taco Bell's amazing. Really eating, buddy? You just collab with Report of the Week, Tom. All of us should answer it. Oh my God, I love Report of the Week. Oh my God. Have we talked about Report of the Week? I've never heard of this. Next piece of Pee will be Report of the Week episode. Yeah.  Just looking like a fucking, looking like a some 20-year-old Wall Street wannabe.  Yeah, yeah. He's just terrified of his mind. Same thing. Same thing when you're ancient as the winds, like me.  I've actually already done this back in my youth. I had a YouTube channel with my friend. We reviewed Fast Food. And we would record in the store. We brought the camera in. What if his friend was review bra? What if this was review bra? Is it possible? Well, the best thing about Tom's show is that they did it in the restaurant. Like they would sneak a camera in. Which was so much cooler than any of the other ones that do it in their car, like Dame Drops. The couple times that we did it at home, we would always drink Mountain Dew out of wine glasses. Sick. And I tried to copy your show, Tom. I tried to do the go into a place. Well, I had like several ideas for fast food review shows, but one of them, me and my brother Shade, were just like recording a random podcast one time. This never saw the light of day because it was terrible.  And I was holding the microphone, like XLR cord and everything. And just like walking to Taco Bell. Like we walked to Taco Bell and we were recording the podcast while walking on the side of the road. Then we walked in and I had Shade hold the laptop and everything while I ordered.  So we sit down to start eating, just having the microphone going and the manager comes out and he's like, yeah, you can't record in here, can you? And he made me delete the recording in front of him. But of course he doesn't know that all you have to do is hit the X on audio track and audacity and I went, it's done. And then of course as soon as it left, like control Z and it was back. So it was a totally worthless recording anyways. So I'm glad. We only got kicked out once and I was at a KFC, but.  On the rest of the time, we just, we had free reign, we could do whatever we want. Nobody really cared. That's amazing. KFC.  Yeah. And unfortunately that was the only intent. No, I've had a bunch, but there's one that's currently running. I say that, but there hasn't been an episode in months.  Even though there's two of them have been recorded. The people cry out. It's true, it's true. It's unfortunate.  I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't know. Munchie's a busy boy, a busy boy. It'll happen, it'll happen. All right, one more question that I want to. Let me read this meme one. This isn't a real question. It's just like at Mark McAuley on Twitter asks, found out I'm at the same uni Gibbon attended. How cocked am I doing an animation degree? And then apparently he says, I recognized his animation in a show reel. First of all, cool. That's dope dude. And I would like to say that second of all, Gibbon currently this month is working real hard on various gigs he's gotten through his efforts in animation shit, one of which is a commercial project.  So I'd say you're not completely fucked. I think he's writing for it. Well, there's that thing he's working with a company on and then there's one guy he's just animating for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're not totally fucked. For like a documentary or something. Oh, indeed. And I want to say that he goes into this on his Patreon's only podcast. Are you a patron of Gibb? I am actually.  I've always, I've been a, incidentally, like I'm sure he would just link it to you if you asked. I will ask him. I've always been waiting for one of my friends to be interested enough in my Patreon exclusive content to ask me for it, but nobody is. It has never happened though.  That's really the thing, bro, dude, I'm sorry. We're past the saturation point, it's true. But the Patreon podcast might be more up you guys' alley than a lot of the main, you know, I've listened to it. See, here's the thing, Digi, we have exclusive access to your best friend's content, which nobody else has, as you don't have to pay shit for it. That's cute. That's cute. Also, Digi, the snippets you've released of your podcast have been pretty interesting, so I actually would like to listen to those. There was at least one or two that I specifically wanted to send you, Nate. Oh yeah? There's even one where I talk about you, and probably for some reason, I wouldn't hear that. I wouldn't hear that. Utilitarian reason or something. Now I'm interested. For drama reasons. Anyway. That's where he announces that he's leaving the PCP joint and then the pizza party pod. It was a ruse all along to paint out the unbelievers. Okay, all right. I really do regret having brought that to fruition because I know it's gonna be a thing now. We'll see how it goes. This is what I always wanted, dude. This is what I always wanted for us. It's so worth it, though, because if there's one podcast, I'd love for us to have a thing to do with it. We need a battle.  We need to go obliterate it. We need this. What is Sparkoil's on Digisouls? What is Superman without Lex Luthor? He needs an enemy. You're so right, you're so right. We need our nemesis within, of course, of course, yes. All right, all right. Okay, Digi, let's hit it. Vishuals asks, if there was one piece of content you wish you never made, what would it be? This body, it's easy analysis anarchy, analysis anarchy. I wanna kill myself every time I think about it. Also, to remind everyone, I read the script and turned that down. I am literally a thousand times smarter than Ben Superior in every way.   I'll think. Go on, Digi. I think on some level, I don't know if I would have regretted this at the time, but by this point, I can't remember anything good having come from my most boring taste in anime video. Like, I feel like the point was mostly missed and that even the people who did get the point, it didn't do anything to have gotten the point. And all it did was ruin three by three threads on 4chan forever, which is actually great. I'm actually very happy with that result. But it also meant that I am forever inundated with people's three by threes and I don't care and have never cared. And yeah, so that's probably the video that had the worst consequences and the worst cost benefit. Like, it had more cost than benefit to have made. I don't know why it became such a big deal in the first place, because it was, I shouldn't have given it a thumbnail. Like, I give my videos thumbnails when I think they can become big.   I have one, even though I'm happy with it now and I don't think it's bad, in hindsight, I do wish that I didn't do Nuzlocke Conquest because it ended up being way more work than it was actually worth. But, you know, like, yeah. I kind of wish I had stopped after the first one. Nuzlocke Conquest should have just been, like, made six months later after the champion was done. And then it would have made six months. It really should have, and it was foolish of me to want to jump right into it just to coincide with the release of Sun and Moon. Because it's a long form series that came out over months.  Right, right. I mean, it was a bit ill-conceived. In terms of marketing, and again, cost to benefit, whatever, cost-to-benefit ratio stuff, like, yeah, it didn't succeed. Even though it's cool and people like it, like, it really did not do much of anything for me. I am, canonically, the biggest Nuzlocke Conquest fan and I absolutely loved it. But that's just me. I mean, I like it. But that doesn't help you. That doesn't help you. No, not at all. I don't know. I guess I'll just use my old answer of like, I worked way too long. Like, all my old videos, I worked way too long on. And the one that, you know, the Lucifer and the Biscayne number one is like over-edited to the point of being almost like indecipherable to some extent. And the Undertale one is kind of like the two, but that has positives as well. Nothing I've made is like terrible. But I guess I would just say like the Lucifer because I worked too hard on it. But I am happy with what it is now. So I don't know, that's all I got.  I probably should have done the leaving the fandom one better because it cost me literally all my money. But at the same time, it like set me on the path to making. But was that black money? That was illicit money anyway. That's my whole point. It's like it set me on the path to doing things that actually matter. So like I set out to make it because I wanted to do a hard like get out so I couldn't go back because I knew I would just crawl back if I didn't. You succeeded there. I'm glad that happened. But at the same time, I'm perpetually broke forever now and I'll probably never make money again. Unless I start some drama. So that's kind of why I'm always on the show. I start some drama. I'm really poor. I could probably make some money with some drama. That's what we're all counting on. Give me money, guys.  The only way that it's gonna work is if we are very careful to make ourselves not the bad guys in that drama. Which is gonna be difficult, you know. But we can manage, we can do it though. I'm confident. We have the skills. The video I most regret in my entire life is not on any YouTube channel that I currently have access to. I completely forgot the password for it. But I moved sometime around second or third grade. I made a YouTube video where I accidentally flipped off my grandmother and I got really sad. I apologize, I'm usually bad at it. You accidentally flipped her off. Yeah, I was trying to give her a thumbs up but my brain forgot how to make the thumbs up motion. I flipped her off instead.  Yeah, she did. If I'm honest with myself. Okay, I guess that's all our questions. That's it, everybody. Thanks for sending those using hashtag askpcp and we're at TP Crasnators in 2012.  Most of the questions we read are from the Patreon so that we can encourage you to become a patron, so. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, boy.   You get access immediately to all the bonus episodes. We are up to eight now and the last one was alcohol. I'm on it. I was on it. Did you saw it?   If you want documentation. Also we are also on iTunes and Google Play so if you want to listen to these on your phone without having to keep a tab open or whatever, you can do that. Google Play Music and iTunes just search for the procrastinators the same way it's spelled on this video and they'll come right up. Along with other podcasts we intend to murder probably by starting drama with it sometime.   Yeah, that's it everybody. Like, comment and subscribe.  It looks so great. Did you see that? I did see that. It was an orange one. Incredible on a shirt. It looks pretty good. It looks pretty good. Yeah, it's hard to believe. I was like, I was so glad to see that. Good work, man. Incredible. I think that's all we have to say on the subject of our favorite subject in the entire world ourselves. Bye. Bye. Bitch.


So let's have a quick look at some of the ways that it's possible to add things to an alkene molecule. I'm going to show you the four most common kinds of addition reaction. In the first one here, one of the two bonds in the carbon-carbon double bond breaks and the two freed up bonds, one on each carbon, join on to halogen atoms from a diatomic halogen molecule. I've shown bromine here but it can happen with any of the halogens, fluorine, chlorine or iodine. This reaction is called halogenation because you're adding halogen atoms to the alkene and this reaction happens fairly easily and at room temperature. The second reaction is hydrogenation. The process is the same but this time two hydrogen atoms are added to the two new bonds which turns the alkene into an alkane. This reaction has a much higher activation energy and a catalyst is often used to make the reaction go faster. The platinum shown here is an example of a catalyst that can be used. Another possibility is hydrohalogenation, sort of a cross between halogenation and hydrogenation. In this reaction, a hydrogen halide or in effect an acid, one of these will add across the double bond so that one carbon gets an extra hydrogen and the other carbon gets a halogen atom of some kind. And finally there's hydration. The name suggests water, you drink water to keep hydrated, right? Well in the hydration reaction a water molecule is split into two parts and it adds across the double bond. One carbon atom gets an extra hydrogen atom and the other carbon atom gets the rest of the water molecule, an OH, an oxygen and a hydrogen. And in organic chemistry when a molecule has an OH group we call it an alcohol. So this reaction is one way of turning an alkene into an alcohol. This difference in the chemical properties of alkanes and alkanes, this specific ability of alkanes to add things across the double bond, gives us a really convenient way of distinguishing them despite the fact that visually they look identical. As we've just said, alkanes will react with halogens easily at room temperature. Alkanes on the other hand are quite unreactive and to make them react with halogens you would need to expose them to UV light or high temperatures. This difference gives us the bromine water test. Bromine water is an aqueous solution of bromine which has the characteristic brown color of bromine. When bromine water is added to an alkene the less dense alkene floats on top of the bromine water and it doesn't mix with it. But if you shake the test tube to temporarily mix the two liquids the brown color completely disappears from the bromine water. This is because the bromine that was dissolved in the water has reacted with the alkene molecules in one of these addition reactions. In contrast if you add bromine water to an alkane at room temperature no color change occurs at all because there's insufficient activation energy to cause a reaction and the water remains brown. So the essence of the test is if you have an unknown organic liquid and you want to know if it's an alkane or an alkene you add bromine water and you shake it. If the bromine water loses its color it's an alkene and if it stays brown it's an alkane.