Very silence for the future, right honourable hopeful member of Parliament for Hortom, Mr James Smith, talk about open politics. Oh, you're there, hello. Thank you all for coming. This is cool, nice turnout. Yeah, I'm James Smith, some of you know me, some of you don't, and I'm going to talk about how to stand for Parliament, or as this talk could be called next year, the story of a terrible, terrible idea. So for those of you who don't know me, who am I? I'm an engineer. I've been a software engineer for 18 years or something like that, I lose count. I'm a parent, I've been parent for about six years, and I'm reasonably activist along with those things. So I've been tinkering around with Civic Tech for many years, sort of on the periphery of that community. I've worked on things like using the web for climate change, and now I'm looking at democracy. So one thing I obviously have a problem with is achievable goals. And so this, we have some problems, right, in democracy in this country, in the way that democracy is working. And this is one of them, you know, the general disengagement of people with democratic process and how we, you know, measured in turnout, that's going down. You know, it used to be nearly 85%, which seems amazing. And the problem is that as people become more and more disillusioned with the options they're presented with, new things become appealing. And unfortunately, that means sometimes things like this, which, you know, if this is the only thing that we get to choose, that's, you know, that's different. I find that quite disturbing. So about a year ago, I was feeling very annoyed with politics and, you know, the options available and so on. And I wrote a blog post about how depressing it all was and how much I disagreed with all of the options that I was being presented with and how there was nothing I felt I could actually vote for.  So I wrote the blog post and I was inspired by, we saw a talk at OpenTech last year by GDS and this is a paraphrase, because I can't remember exactly what they said, but the words that stuck in my head, whether I heard them or not, were sometimes in order to change the system. You need to actually become part of the system and as GDS have done that with Civil Service, which is really, you know, you can't always change everything from the outside. And so I said in this blog post, you know what we should do? We need some new options. We should set up a GitHub repository and start collaborating in an open-source way on some policy for a better future. And then I resolutely refused to do that, because I already have far too many projects. So it was sort of throwing the idea out and hoping somebody else would do it. Unfortunately somebody did, where's Steve? He's not here. He set up the repository, which then, you know, I just thought I'll just go in and change a couple of things. And one thing led to another.  And this is the Open Politics project, which is now a manifesto with a decent amount of policy in it that's been discussed collaboratively that we've built together. And anybody can go and edit this. It's a little bit awkward, because you need to learn how to use GitHub. But, you know, a surprising number of people have actually managed that. You've not been developers, which is quite nice. It's not the best thing, but, you know, it's interesting. And it started as a kind of way of just inspecting your own ideas, your own assumptions and things and holding them up for review, and doing something a bit more than just moaning on Twitter and rather than saying, this is wrong, being able to say, well, this is, you know, this is what I'd be. So we did that for a while. And then we've got a decent amount of stuff there now. There's some gaps, but it's looking like a decent amount of content. And after the European elections in May, I suppose it was, I was feeling very annoyed with politics again. And this time, unfortunately, a year later, I thought, actually, there's something that I do think could be an option. There's a bunch of stuff that I do believe that I could stand up for. So I decided that that's what I was going to do. However, ill-advised that might be. So what I'm going to do in the talk is just sort of walk you through a few things I've learned over the last three months or so. It's not so much a how to stand for parliament. It's a how to stand for parliament so far. And it might be a good deal longer next year or a good deal shorter because I might have just decided the whole thing is terrible.  Well, your civic duty in a democracy is to provide the option yourself to do something to, as Tom Watson suggested, to join the parties to get involved to stand for something else or to create a new option. And that's open to everyone because I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. And when I started this, I had no idea what I'm doing, and I still don't. And that's okay. Because we learn as we go along, you know, it's like hacking anything else, nobody knows what they're doing when they start with a new bit of hardware or something, we just work it out as we go along and democracy is no different. Then decide where you want to stand. Does anybody know who that is? Hey, I live in Horsham, which is his constituency. And one of the things in our manifesto is that, you know, parachuting people into safe seats and whatever is a bad idea, so people should stand where they live. So I have to stand where I live, which is his constituency. It's incredibly safe. And, you know, it's, yeah, it's going to be interesting. But in a way, it being so safe is quite liberating, because actually, it doesn't matter who I annoy. And for people that want to vote for me, it doesn't matter because they won't have to worry about letting somebody else in. So that's good. Got to look positive, right? Then decide, do you want to stand for a party? Do you want to stand as an independent? Is there an existing party that's right for you? If there's not, what are you going to represent? I kind of ignored this question for a while and just sort of started as independent. But I'll come back to that. And one important thing is that I'm looking at this as a long haul thing, right? I'm not expecting to win in May. That would be ridiculous. It's a long haul thing. And I think we're used to thinking about things on very short timescales in this, you know, rapidly moving world of technology. But what we're looking at here is generational change for politics. You know, this is, if it's the same in 30 years' time, then we'll have missed the opportunity. But we can, you've got to start somewhere. So this is where we start. So decided to stand. Next thing, get some online presence, get something up there that people can see. I created a very simple website. I'm a developer. I know nothing about design. So Bootstrap's really handy for that. Having something that people can go and look at, see the very basics about who you are, what you stand for, and a way to get in touch or to be contacted. So simple mailing list and a Facebook page. I really wish I didn't have to use Facebook for this. But everything, everyone's there. That's where everything's going on. And it really annoys me that I have to use Facebook now more than I ever used to. I wish I could delete my account, but I just can't. So, sadly. I didn't worry about the name too much. I'll come back to that. But now you've got somewhere people can go. Well, let's announce it. What can go wrong? I wrote a blog post announcing this and stuck it on Medium and my own blog. And then I thought, right, I'm going to wait, I'm going to wait for the perfect time to tell everybody about this. And then I waited about 10 minutes, got all itchy and published it. Because it's just sitting there. What's the point of that? And so, you know, bugger, proper timing. That's boring. And within a couple of weeks, I'd had a chat with that looks terrible there. Sorry about that. I'd had a chat with the local paper, who gave me a nice little half page, right up, explaining what I was doing. The really interesting thing about this is that so while a whole bunch of people online saw the blog post, a lot of people outside the constituency saw the blog post. Nobody in the constituency really did. But they did see that. So that gets you in the mind of the locals in the local constituency. And also the people who really read the local news are all the other candidates and all the counselors and people like that. They're reading the letters. And so, yeah, one thing you have to just stop reading local newspapers, which is fine. It's fine. I'm just not used to it. So that's really good because it's not that now everybody in the constituency knows who I am, but all the counselors do. And everyone who's involved in local politics knows, hang on, who the hell's this guy? Which is good. So I did that. That was cool. At this point, I thought, I wonder if any of this is legal. Because I hadn't checked. So at this point, I thought, I'll call the electoral commission. Because you look on the electoral commission website, there's a whole load of information. It's actually really good. They have now published their guidance for the next election, finally. Though, obviously, I'm doing this a bit earlier than most other people do, apparently. But it can lead you in circles a little bit. It's a little bit difficult to find what you need. But they've got phone numbers. Remember those? You can phone up and talk to humans and they're really, really helpful. And so, phoning them up and saying, am I doing this right? Have I done something wrong already? It's really, really good. Unfortunately, I haven't. None of, you know, you don't need to register anything or do anything. You know, before you say, yes, I'm gonna stand. So you can do that on a whim, because that's the best way to do these things. When it comes down to it, what you do need is you need to get nominated. You need to submit nomination papers before the election. You need 10 people to sign that. If you can't find 10 people to sign your nomination papers, then the entire thing is in trouble. So that hopefully will be fine. And they have to be local residents. And then you have to put down a 500-pound deposit. And if you get 5% of the votes, you'll get it back. So that's the minimum. That's all you need in order to actually stand, to have your name down on the ballot paper. Obviously, it's better if you can do more. But that's the minimum. There are some rules around finances. So there are spending limits when you're campaigning. It depends on the size of the constituency. I think the limit in Horsham is about £32,000. And that's divided into what they call long and short campaign periods. You know, based on, you know, people tend to spend more nearer the election in the short campaign period, the long one goes a bit further back. If people donate your campaign, you have to verify who they are. You have to check against the electoral register to make sure that they're valid donors. And that's quite interesting as a, you know, it's an interesting logistical challenge as to how to actually do that. Because they can come from anywhere in the country. You have to actually make sure that they're not donating on behalf of somebody else who's already donated. You have to track the original source of the money rather than just, oh yeah, this guy's giving me some money. It doesn't matter where it comes from. You also have to track all your expenditure on various campaign activities. And you have to include notional donations. So if somebody's giving you a bunch of their time for free, which would be really helpful, you still have to count it at market rate for that as a donation. So that'll be interesting. Some interesting dates. Can anybody actually see that? It's a bit small, sorry. Interesting dates. The long campaign when the finances start getting regulators, it doesn't really matter before that. That's around 18th of December. So until then you can pretty much do what you like. The short campaign is only that last month before the election, after parliament recesses, or whatever the word is. So most of the spending goes into that last month. Nominations only close literally one month before the polling day. So you can decide, you know, at the end of April that you actually want to do this and you can still do it. And then of course election day itself is going to be on the 7th of May. It's really quite useful. We now have fixed term parliament so we know when the next election is going to be, which is unusual. That's tiny. Sorry. I've been tracking my expenditure. I work for the Open Data Institute and we're all about publishing data openly in structured formats and things that people can reuse. My expenditure, such as it is so far, it's not a lot, is published as open data, which I think with a schema designed by Spend Network to, you know, to have, it was kind of their dream list of all the things they'd want to know about election finance. So I was like, yeah, let's do it. When nobody cares what you do, it's easy to do fun things like that. So that's quite nice. Next thing is to start looking into the data around the election. So there's a lot of data that's published about the outcomes of elections and the spending and so on. This is some of the, some useful stats. These are the actual votes. You really can't see that at all. The actual votes cast in the last general election in Horsham. So the conservatives got just under 30,000. It was about 28,000 votes. Lib Dems around 17,000 and so on.  And then a bunch of minor parties down there. Labor not really figuring in anything. And UKIP are down there as well. So, but you know, useful stuff like knowing actually how many voters there are. There's 77,000 voters in the constituency and 55,000 of them voted. So 72% turnout, which is well above the average. So that's, what does that mean? That's interesting. I expected with a safe seat that actually it was going to be lower turnout. People weren't really going to bother because it didn't make any difference. So that was surprising. There's an interesting correlation here. The next one is spending. And the spending follows pretty much the same pattern. The orange bar is the short campaign. The blue bar is the long campaign. So you see obviously most of the spending goes into the short campaign. What's interesting here, you probably can't make out the scale, but that's about 7,000, 7.5,000 pounds. The conservatives who got those 28,000 votes who, you know, own the constituency basically only spent about 11,500 pounds. Again, that was a lot less than I expected. The spending limit is about 32. None of them got anywhere near. So that was fun. This is nice. There's a gap here. That gap is the green party. I always wondered why I didn't get a leaflet from them. And now I know. When I first announced a couple of people, two different people said to me, what are you doing? Why are you splitting the green vote? It's crazy. You obviously believe in a lot of the same things they do. What are you doing? And I since looked at the stats, they got 570 votes and they spent no money. So I really don't care. They don't want my vote. They don't want the constituency. So, you know, that's one thing about parties choosing where they're going to fight. They really don't care. What I don't, I don't understand why they bothered. That's all. So next bit of financial planning, what am I actually going to need to spend? And I'm still working this out, but this is just what I've worked out so far. On top of the deposit, the main thing I want to do is I want to make sure I get a leaflet through every door, right? Tom, stop grinning. You're going to correct everything like that. I think it's really interesting to learn that you get a free delivery through the door by the Royal Mail. They'll deliver your leaflet for you once. So that's how they all do that. I didn't know that was a thing. So actually, if I can get the leaflets printed and get them to the Royal Mail, then I can get them through every door, which is great. They'll do it addressed or unaddressed, so you can actually send one to every voter or just to every household or apparently there are hacks that let you do a bit of both. Though I don't know anything about that. And you can phone up the Royal Mail. They have an elections department and again they're really helpful. They seem to love people calling them and like explaining the whole system.  So I'm going to need 47,000 plus a bit leaflets to get one through every door. And going to some local printers and working out the cost, that's going to cost me about 1,500 quid, which I thought it'd be way higher than that. This seems disturbingly accessible to actually get a message across to people. And this comes back to the sort of the paper candidates and the minor parties who never got a leaflet through my door. If you can't raise two grand, why are you bothering? What's the point of having someone on paper and not trying to get the message across? I don't really understand. So that's kind of where I've got on the financial planning. Obviously there's going to be a load more, but that's where we are at the moment. I'm learning as we go along and blogging all of this and trying to explain it in public as I go. One things I really want to do is crowdfund that money. So not really because I really need to, but because if we can show that it's crowdfundable and that anybody can say, I want to stand and crowdfund the money, that's helpful. It opens up the options for people. It makes the whole system more accessible because you have to prove who your donors are and you have to reject donations that are not from proper donors. 10, good. You have to reject donations that are not from proper donors. This is going to be interesting. So actually how that works will have to work out. I'm hoping to talk to some crowdfunding companies to try and work that out. So we'll see. Research the area. Find out about the local area. I mean, I've lived in Horsham constituency for nine years, but there's still so much stuff that I don't know. I didn't grow up there. So obviously I'm going to have a lot to learn. Work out what the local issues are. For us, where we are, there are big issues around housing development. Gatwick is just to the north of us. So second runway at Gatwick is a thing that's going to affect local residents. And we're right in the middle of the world. So we have shale gas right underneath. And so that's something that's concerning people. And that sort of leads into potential allies and things and other local groups that you can talk to, get in touch with local groups. I mean, our town has a really active Facebook group. Engaging on there is really important. Talking to other pressure groups, community groups, youth groups. There's a youth council in the town. It's going to be really, really useful. One of the ones that I really like is to do with the fracking thing. Who knows where Bulkham is? Well, not where it is. Who's heard of Bulkham? Right, you knew. So obviously. So Bulkham was the centre of the protests last year, a couple of years ago, against the sort of early fracking exploration wells where Caroline Luke has got herself arrested and a bunch of other things. And that's in my constituency, which is cool, my constituency. You know what I mean? It's where I live. It's fine. Which is really great because they've not just objected to the fracking, but they've formed a group that's creating a solar farm to power the entire village. So they're not just saying, no, they're saying, let's do something better. And that really ties in with the way that I think. And it's lovely to have them in the area. So there's some really nice sort of things like that that you might learn. The other thing is, what's the shape? What is this place? Can anybody see that? You can make out the just working out what the boundary is. It's not what you think. It's the electron boundaries are weird and they keep changing. But the Ornant Survey have a really helpful thing which shows you the boundaries. And then I thought, right, I'm going to have a big map on my wall. So I ordered a custom map from the OS. If you ever get a chance to order a custom map from the Ornant Survey, do it's wonderful. You can run your hands across it and feel the print. It's lovely. So then I'll draw on it with a felt tip because you can't just print out the election boundaries. That'd be far too easy. So, yeah, it's now I have a felt tip OS map on my wall. That this here, this is Crawley, which is Labour, I think. So, yes, it's we're sort of a very rural constituency. Welcome's over here. That's Horsham. That's Crawley. Gatwick's up there somewhere. So, yeah, so that's fun. Public meetings. They're fun. We had a public meeting with a grand total of 10 people. Twice as many as I expected. It was really good. And that was great. We had a couple of other candidates turn up and sort of cancel the candidates. It was really handy to just sort of verify those assumptions about what the local issues are. They were actually, you know, it's not obviously a great sample, but just starting to this is something I'm going to have to do a lot more of starting to do meeting, surgeries, whatever to to meet up with people. And then the other thing I need to do a lot more of is write. Write a lot. Write to the paper. Local papers are desperate for opinion pieces all the time. They're desperate for things to print. So, you know, we need to be writing those, writing letters, all sorts of things. Writing all the time, which can get a bit tiring, but. So there's a few things I didn't bother doing at the beginning. I didn't assemble a team because they'll kind of choose themselves later on. I figure I don't know if anybody's interested. I didn't optimize my personal brand. I'm not going to start wearing suits.   I didn't bother chasing the media particularly. I think, you know, I'm very. And I want to, you know, this to be a kind of a not sort of case of those traditional ideas of having big splashes in in media and things like that. We can do this organically. We have the technology, right? So let's not bother with that. And I didn't agonize over naming. I launched with what was great, frankly, a terrible name of open Horsham. It's just appalling. And I hated it when I chose it, but it was just like, you know, there are three hard... Buck's up the joke now. Two hard problems in computer science. Naming things, cash and validation, and off by one errors. But if you say three, it doesn't work. Well done. So where next? That's kind of where I am now. So where next is kind of an adventure over the next best part of a year to work out what the hell else I need to do. And how to actually get some votes. Engage with local people. I need to do a lot more writing, talking, meeting people and working out what's going on. It's not a great detail to do list. It's very vague. I just want to answer a couple of questions that I'm often asked. And the things that are often good, often put to me. Why bother, right? Voting doesn't change anything if it did, they disallow it. Standing won't change anything. I'm standing in a safe seat. What differences are gonna make? The way I figure it is, if you think that things are wrong, you've got a couple of options. You need to take part, whether that's by joining parties, as Tom suggested last night, whether it's by standing up for something yourself. You need to take part, you need to get involved. Because the only other option is not moaning on Twitter. The only other option is to get out in the streets. And unless you're gonna do that, we have a system that you can work within. When that breaks, feel free. The other one is often around the surveillance conversations and things. Yeah, but what if we need to work on better security software? We need to get people using encryption, particularly around surveillance. That's true, but it doesn't answer the whole thing. I think if you want to end up as the technological underground in some dystopia, then that's probably okay. I mean, they have cool outfits, that's all right. We probably won't be that cool. Matrix reference, that's really quite dated. I couldn't think of anything else. I don't really want to end up there. It seems like a lot of hard work. I'd rather have a society I actually want to live in not one that hates me, basically. So, when we come back to the independent thing, I'm nearly done. I don't think that standing as an independent is the right way for me to go. This is a ballot paper. I'm fairly sure taking a photo of your ballot papers are legal, but there's a lot of them online. So whoever this guy is, wouldn't want to be him. I don't know where he lives. Somewhere in Hove. Anyway, interesting thing about this list here, right? Layla, Green Party, Lib Dems, UKIP, Conservatives. Oh, there's a sort of space there. There's really annoying thing about being independent is you don't have that kind of brand. You don't have any brand identity and people don't see it on the ballot paper. They all get a logo. I think you can get a tagline or something. It's just, and you've just got independent and your name. You've got to make people aware of your name. And my name's James Smith. It's quite depressing. So I don't think that's really good enough. And the other thing is that if I stand as an independent and I make some progress and I get a bunch of people behind me and then this time next year I decide that this is just so awful that I don't ever want to do it again, nobody can pick it up and carry on, right? It's just lost. All that effort is lost. So I'm much more concerned about building a movement. I think we need a new political option. We need a new movement in this country. And so you've got to build something. Something different. Something exciting and something new. And this is the thing that we're going to build. That's the name. That's what's going to be on the ballot paper, which is quite nice.     And you do that for about 15 minutes. And every time you mention it to yourself, it's like a little confirmation bias in your head. And every time you think negatively about it, you think, oh no, I don't want something new. No. This is what we're working with at the moment. It's inherently optimistic. It's looking forward. And that's something that's really lacking at the moment in politics in this country. So we'll see how that turns out. And we're looking at a movement with principles of democracy, of reinvigoration of democracy, of transparency for governments, for companies, liberty and privacy for individuals, as opposed to the other way around, which is what we have at the moment. Everything's transparent for you guys. And companies have as much privacy as they want. So that seems a little bit backwards. Rationality around evidence base around policy is important, the courage to take hard decisions, to look to the future for problems that are difficult to deal with in that normal chasing tomorrow's headline cycle. We need something with a bit more courage. And we need something optimistic, something that's saying, actually, we can make the future better, not that's campaigning in a negative way, and saying, God, aren't all these things awful?  It's something optimistic. Some optimism in politics, I think, is really lacking. And a party designed to deprecate itself, right? To work within the system, to create a party that will work to make sure that parties are necessary. Because we can do things better. We don't have to send MPs to Westminster on a horse anymore. I mean, the digital democracy thing earlier was talking about how we can do things better. And we can go there. We can work on that. But something designed to explicitly to deprecate itself is what we're looking at. So I'm done, I'm nearly done. It's 250 days. Today it is 250 days till the 2015 general election. That's the time we've got left. And so who thinks, quick survey, who thinks there should be more people like us technologically capable understanding of the world we find ourselves in? Who thinks there should be more people like us in power, in parliament? Okay, good. Who would like to see that in our lifetime? Right. So if not you, then who? Probably. I hope that's not the answer. But we're here. We're the one, it's our generation now and we're growing up and it's time to take some responsibility. So that's me, you can find me there. That's the Open Politics Project. And we're having a meet up for anybody interested in democracy, politics, digital democracy, all those things, half eight in the workshop just over there. Come and join us and ask lots of questions and discuss things. I'm done. Have I gone over time? We've got time for a couple of questions. Actually, I can think of one. Who here'd vote for James? Say aye. That's not bad. Sorry? That's fine. Do we have any questions now or a voice later? I'll let you choose. Go for it. Hello, what do you think the answer you'll get your deposit back? No, that's kind of the aim. It would be really, really good to get deposit back this time. That's quite unlikely to be fair. I'm going into this realistically, but I'm going into it knowing that this is the first. It's not the last. It's not the only time. This is going to be something that's going to have to, as I said, it's a generational change. We keep going until we're the white-haired old guys. I'm getting white-haired already. It's losing the youth vote with the gray. Given what you've just answered, just then this might be a bit redundant, but have you made any preparations towards becoming an MP in the day-to-day of what that would involve? No, no, not really. No, I suspect that's probably not going to be an immediate issue. Obviously it's an aim. Obviously I'm in the race to try and win, to try and convince people that there is something better, but realistically, this time probably not. I hear there are training courses. But they don't offer them to people who they don't expect to win, so that's fine. The stakes are obviously a lot of time and stuff. I mean, what about your day job? Ask the guy behind you. Yeah, that's, don't actually ask him, good God. Wait, evenings are good, but also I have children. It's difficult to fit it in. And one of the things I've said to my wife when I was the first person I discussed this with, obviously when I was considering standing was with my wife to say, look, I understand this is going to be difficult, but if it starts to affect children or family or anything like that, then fine, that's it, it's done. You have to be realistic and appreciate the impact it's going to have. It's going to be very difficult. I'm probably going to be taking some time off in April. Well, technically, I think you can do it, but that was a really bad idea I wouldn't want to. Yeah, I don't know, I'll have to find somebody else. So I think there's two things I wanted to say. One is your name, James Smith. It just made me immediately think, well, you are every man, and I think that's quite a powerful thing. And the other thing is, I like the idea that you're not intending to win almost, you're intending to set a precedent, you're creating a new model, it's really important. And it reminded me of in Italy. And to a racial level of debates as well. Yeah, and it reminded me, in Italy, there was that party that just really blitzed the social networks and they really got on everyone on board and then they got in. Yes, I mean, that's, I'm not surprised they're five-star. Actually, we don't know what to do. And then they handed it back over to the people that had the skills, but next time they're ramping up their sort of membership and then they're going to come in and really hit them hard. So I think it's really important. Yeah, yeah, I mean, this is about building movements. It's stuff that does take time to build and needs a lot of people involved. Let's say you win and you are now James Smith MP, independent or something new. What do you do next? How realistically do you expect that you can enact progressive change in parliament? As an individual MP, I'm pretty sure Tom would back me up at none at all. It needs something bigger than that. You need to have a whole bunch of people. You need to have a, I mean, look how long it's taken. The other parties have hundreds of years of history. I mean, UKIP have taken 20 years to get within spitting distance of maybe having one. It takes a long time, but you know, you've got to try. Did that answer the question at all? Probably not. Exactly, that's it. The more of us who stand, the more chance we'll have. So, the question, so you have a movement, you don't have a party, the idea is you are yourself. Now, okay, disclaimer, I'm a member of political party, so the reason why I joined the political party is that despite it not being perfect, I can share a set of core values with that party. The problem I see with this new way of doing it. Sorry, so the reason why you have some doubts about this other way of doing politics is that people need to identify, or generally need to identify with the set of core values. If these values are not well defined, they will either change from time to time or become, you know, their variance will be quite high. And that's a problem I'm from Italy. We've seen that quite a lot with movements. You know, they tend to get together right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists. How would you address that? How do you think this can address the problem? So I think you're right. People vote for parties because of the values, not necessarily because of the things they do. I think we see that with the main parties. They're trading on values that they've had for a very long time, but don't actually seem to pay much attention to anymore, but people still vote for them based on those values. I think there's a set of values that's not being expressed by any of the options. I think there's a set of values that I would hope a lot of people here share about moving into a better future, about using technology to make the world better, about, you know, we're looking forward, and I don't see that in any of the existing parties necessarily. They're, you know, very split down the traditional political lines, whereas we have perhaps a new way forward combining bits of both to move to something more, more dynamic, more forward-looking. Run out of words there. Hello. Hello. I have a question about, in Horsham, how did the local councillors and existing concentrations of power respond to you coming onto the scene and your announcement? So I haven't spoken to that many of them yet. I think they probably think it's a bit strange. There are some other independents in Horsham who are going to be standing for council and hopefully to build some kind of alliance with them would be very good, the sort of, you know, confluence of interests. There is generally a, there's a really interesting trend at the moment in Horsham where there's a lot of secrecy in the local council. Among the local papers is campaigning on transparency in local council, which is, you know, plays right into my hands, which is really nice. So it's, yeah, it'll be interesting. I need to talk to the other councillors. I haven't met Francis yet, so. I did write to him about drip and said I'm standing against you next year. Could you not vote for this, please? Sorry? Twitted him? No, he doesn't have, well, he doesn't have a Twitter account. That's his. I'm told that he has one that he uses to read, but not an actual identity, apparently. Anymore? I'm afraid for now we're pretty much out of time. I apologise, but do go to the tent at half-eight. In the workshop. As much as you want to drink. Yeah, bring a beer. As long as you bring it yourselves. Yeah, no, so thank you very much, James Smith. Thank you.


from the Computer History Museum in the heart of Silicon Valley. It's theCUBE, covering OpenStack Silicon Valley 2016. Brought to you by Morantis. Now, here are your hosts, John Furrier and Lisa Martin. Welcome back to live coverage of OpenStack Silicon Valley. We are live in Silicon Valley. This is SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE, our flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal from noise. This is day two of wall-to-wall coverage. Live here on the ground, the Computer History Museum. I'm John Furrier with my co-host, Lisa Martin this week. Lisa, day two coverage kickoff. A lot of great action. Yesterday was day one. We kind of analyzed, we talked about it. A lot of buzz around OpenStack. Some of the headlines that came out of our CUBE interviews yesterday was the zigzag comment. That was interesting. But also, Martin Casada's keynote really has been going viral. And I think that resonated with a lot of folks here because his OpenStack community is a very strong developer community. They successfully survived and zigzagged now about to thrive. But Martin Casada, former SDN at Nassir, sold to VMware now at Andreessen Horowitz, really putting out the red meat. And what I mean by that is that he set the tone for what I believe will be a direction for this industry in OpenStack, which is that, look it, the old way is dying. And no one cares about Gartner reports, sales with golf meetings. They care about developers. They care about try-in by organic. It's a buyer-led journey, not a supplier-led narrative. And I think that spoke to people yesterday. And I think we saw that on one of our articles, get a zillion retweets. And I think this leads into the sentiment of the developer community, which is, there is so much opportunity out there right now to, one, commercialize and also monetize and make money and build a business around some disruptive technology from Open Daylight, whether it's that. This is the software eating the world. This is Andreessen Horowitz, kind of core theme a few years ago. But now Mark Andreessen and Andreessen Horowitz is putting out a new narrative called Software Powering the World. So first it was eating the world. Now it's powering the world. It is, and we actually heard that in some of the key notes this morning that talked about every company needs to become a software company. How do they do that? And to your point, it is a buyer's world. Martin Casada talked about this explosion that the market is seeing in terms of developer-centric startups. I'm very curious to talk to some of our guests today about that. We had a great lineup yesterday that really showed that developer-led community what it's been able to do and also how it's unlocking the theme of the summit this week. How it's unlocking the monetization options and new values and new channels. I'm very curious to talk to Microsoft. We've got James Staten who just finished his keynote here at the event this morning. On his views, not just on Microsoft, open source, what's going on there, but also his view on the developers. I think he has an intriguing view on that, but I agree with you. I think the momentum around what Andreessen Hurwitz was saying is really shining through here and we're seeing our guests articulate that very strongly. And I wonder what state and from Microsoft will say, will he be mostly Microsoft, peddling the Microsoft narrative? Will he bring in a more industry view? We hope he brings a more industry view. I'm excited about interviewing Lou Tucker. Lou Tucker will be coming on at 1130, I'm sorry. And Lou Tucker is at Cisco. And Lou Tucker is a living legend in the tech business. In fact, at this show at the Computer History Museum, he actually has an exhibit in the museum itself. He built at Thinking Machines with his team, a cube product, a supercomputer. So it's in the supercomputer exhibit. I got a picture yesterday. Seth took a picture of myself and Lou. So, I mean, he's literally the only person at this event at the museum that actually has something in the museum with the self-driving cars here. So it's a really great, great opportunity and Lou is the legend in the industry and looking forward to get his thoughts. Also, Patrick Riley is going to be coming on. He was the founder of Kismatic. They sold to Apprenda and he's now moving on to new things. And he's going to give us the low down on Kubernetes. Kubernetes has been the fastest growing technology trend and some say putting a real threat into the position of Docker as the de facto standard. And so we're going to hear what's going on with Kubernetes. So I think those two interviews are going to be kind of a little check on the schedule in terms of focus. So I love to have the legend in Lou talking about what's going on and how the previous revolutions in the industry map to the trajectory now. What's the big growth opportunity? Where's the technology neighbors? Of course, orchestration is at the center of it. So day two is going to be great and we're looking forward to it. I got to ask you though on the keynote this morning, anything jump out at you? Yes, absolutely. I think one of the things that jumped out at me is really dispelling myths about open cloud. Dispelling myths about hybrid cloud. One of the things we talked a lot about yesterday is some of the stats. You can kind of argue stats and surveys one way or the other, but we are hearing that obviously open source really focused on the enterprise, but enterprises being challenged there with deployments, with making it successful. Well, a couple of our guests today, I'm excited to get some of their advice for enterprises. How do they be successful? How, what's the mindset? What's the cultural change that is needed at organizations in order to be successful? How do they kind of restart? So I think we're going to have some myths dispelled today and get some great best practices. On the Microsoft front, one of the things I caught from the keynote is the move towards hybrid cloud and really this hybrid world. John, we talked yesterday about the open cloud opportunity. It's here for hybrid cloud IoT and FB. I'd like to hear some more perspectives today from you mentioned Lou Tucker. I'd love to get his take on inter cloud at Cisco. How does that relate to hybrid cloud? What is that? And what is the future direction for companies of all sizes, looking to become software? Well, you know, we coined the term inter cloud on theCUBE two years ago, not to be considered internet working because kind of a joke on Cisco, but that's really is the opportunity, this idea of multiple clouds. I thought it would help. And the connectivity, absolutely. Well, I got to share with you something I saw on the web this morning on our data science operation, serve us some good insight. We had an interview yesterday with Mirantis and Suze who was talking about the Linux, software enterprise Linux running on Mirantis. There's an article on computer reseller news that says Mirantis sidesteps Red Hat resistance to rival OpenStack software running on dominant Linux. Red Hat calls foul. So interesting, we had that article and apparently Red Hat took issue with that deal. Saying that, you know, Mirantis is trying to create a partnership with Red Hat and which is early strategic maneuver by them. And also Red Hat's an investor in Mirantis. So interesting, kind of like gamemanship. I wonder if there's more there. So I'm going to dig into that today and ask around on that. So interesting update from yesterday, Mirantis and Red Hat, what's going on there? Other things that I think I'm interested in learning is what are these customers saying? We have puppet labs that's going to be on the show today and they talk about over 30,000 organizations using puppet, who are they? What are they asking for? What's the feedback loop? If they're really focused on the DevOps folks, what is that feedback loop and how are customers being successful? What are these companies hearing from customers that's really leading them to be market leaders in open source community? Well, it should be fun day two coverage live here in Silicon Valley. Again, all the innovation here has been phenomenal. I think it's been interesting and the security question really hasn't come up much. We touched on it a little bit yesterday. Also in the area I'm going to dig into. But I'm really looking forward to finding out what Microsoft's view of OpenStack is and how Azure Stack differs from OpenStack. We're going to dig into that. And a lot more here. Lou Tucker's coming on. Patrick Riley, we've got James Stedton. Stedton coming on from Microsoft. A lot of great coverage for day two here at OpenStack Silicon Valley. This is theCUBE. I'm John Furrier, Lisa Martin. We'll be right back with more day two coverage after this short break. You're watching theCUBE.


I'm going to say the name wrong I guarantee. I've got my speaker Amaro here. If I've said the name wrong I've said everybody else's name wrong all day long so he's just going to smile and be like yeah that's me. Okay um the final talk of the day is I fought the law and the law lost. This is part of a series of talks that aims to collect vulnerabilities in the Argentinian security forces and without further ado I will pass over to Amaro right now. Thank you. Hi how are you? Well now do you hear that? Well this is a talk that was intended to be a series of talks of many Argentinian security forces. I know my pronunciation is not the best so I ask for your pardon in advance if something is not understood just raise your hand and I try to say it slowly or better. As this is the final chapter it's intended to last at least for an hour so I have cropped it out and trying to make it on a short way. So I'll go a little faster on the first part it's not as important as the last one the first part is basically every antecedent that got the Argentinian security force system to what it is today about one. So let's start. This is a brief introduction. My name is Mauro I was born in the 90s in Argentina. I worked all my life for the government on different sites not something right. I have a really little security firm we are very few people from Argentina and we work on every every contract is based on government or security forces. So we are in an apocalyptic situation now or what is related to security forces. We have four what we call the four horsemen four events that carried out what it is today to be the what is the current status of our security forces. A fifth talk is the final chapter I have divided in those four events everything disclosed here is publicly available or retrievaled on making us inquiries or even reaching the news or pace being or any other place where I'm here. So the four events that took us to what we have today in Argentina were the following we have a leak from two federal forces happening to work together it's they were the federal police of Argentina and the national gendarmerie the leak of the ministry of national security during a spearfishing campaign that led to the disclosing of many officials officers and public figures accounts the Buenos Aires city police internal leaks led by unhappy cops it was an internal leak and the Buenos Aires city police entire database stamp contained the personal information of every officer ancient and even the political side of the force tossed from the security minister of the city it's a long way to get here so let's start the Argentine federal police suffered three attacks two were made using the same technique on 2010 it was a defacement led by the ACIB gang they are very popular on the police side hacking is in the PFA works Prada on 2011 and project X which was a national scandal let's start abusing the put method on the web server they lead to a simple defacement everything was hit was nothing really really surprising it lasted for an hour and it was gone they just restored the site like nothing had happened 10 this is the photo of the leak of the defacement sorry 10 the next year they made a another defacement using the put method again it was in Spanish la federal vista la moda is a reference to the movie the devil world's Prada using the put method again they defaced the site and saw an image of someone dressed as a policeman during a gay parade this was intended as a simple joke but it posed it exposed it sorry what was our security setup from a federal force a federal force that deals with drug trafficking with human trafficking with money laundering with things that might be hosted there or not but are dangerous to be exposed on that way 10 on 2012 it was a year of really hard political tensions there were many people doing what we call the casero lazos the popular like a popular march and people gathered themselves via facebook to march on different places of the city during one of those marches uh this leak and defacement happened there was a rumor that it seemed verified to this day that the asian tank federal police participated together with a gen armory on a civilian surveillance or espionage uh campaign there wasn't any uh any proof of that it was like a rumor 10 the group was uh leaked to be called project x okay then on september during one of those marches the bf side suffered one of the last attacks uh during the defacement the hacker published some links to internal databases of the sites one of the databases contained information about pfa the federal police and gna the gendarmerie are uh they are two forces that are not related they didn't even have the some tasks the gendarmerie it's like a border patrol aside from having uh tasks like drug trafficking smuggling uh human trafficking too and the pfa have other tasks different to them so why were they working together as there were no political agreement no no police agreement to work together the leaks went viral during months uh people used those leaked passwords to reuse their passwords to enter uh their personal accounts personal police accounts then uh it started like a viral thread on tarin and many latino-american sites disclosing what it was later a new leak from the original leak happened here in project x people started doing their own hosting queries started to hack if we like to call it that way into the police accounts the personal accounts creating new dumps for example uh facebook of police officers a thriller of police officers every everyone with uh its user and password some people reconnected some of the names in the dump and they discovered that there were only officers there were personnel of ministries the justice one and the defense ones that by law my constitutional law are not allowed to work together justice and securities for internal use while defense is for external changing rates and other forum people started using oscint against those names and posted them on the internet with information such as workplace other contact information and created like a viral chain of new leaks every day passwords were stored in plain text and mostly were reused in other sites many of them can be easily found on uh dictionaries like racu texty the polish it files were mdb microsoft access databases so anybody could have download them as they were served publicly this is the fault of the leaks for example here is people mocking their passwords for example here's another one saying a those passwords from the police stations accounts are working go now and download them before they change them so people was advising other people to keep on leaking once again hey information is true this information is true i have entered on a facebook of a girl those passwords are used on this system but many other people reuse it them and later the attacker didn't aim as me anything on a reddit uh and confess it he abused it uh default template file a gsp file to upload items to upload files it was an example that was never deleted when deployed he used it to upload a show then he got it right and hugged it finally the site went offline forever while no one had no one gave an explanation of what happened not from official sources or from the police sources project x was never had again well the walling of the minister of security during january this is the every time i talk about a security force or a government uh office i put their logo here sorry okay during january the last year the minister of security twitter account was hacked announced her retirement and published in personal data their personal phone not the work phone not the one this twitter account was registered to the attacker claimant to have owned more than 30 mail accounts from the ministry including one reserved to organize a crime to this day something i haven't written here uh even our intelligence service was leaked and they were using to this day hot mail accounts they haven't used any uh institutional accounts but they were official they were used for official uh business okay and then the entire national criminal information system was leaked too here you have patricia's number patricia ball rich is our minister of security to this day then patricia ball rich means seg is minister of security ministeria security here we have uh mobi star it's a phone company it's just like it and the very song this is an official request what we call official an official request of information for example uh federal police wants to listen to this uh these lines conversations so whatever uh request for official information that was made it was copied and dumped and leaked so try to imagine what is happening behind the scenes let's suppose you uh report a drug trafficker this guy is a drug dealer okay now that drug dealer knows someone ratted him out and now it was you ratted him out and even knows who the cops working on his case are this is really dangerous but it's a real threat to uh to the original guy who reported it and to the original cops that are that are where uh investigating him or her here's the hacker saying i have complete access to the national criminal information system as you might see it was an sql server with every port open to the world so he wasn't lying at this point as i was saying before personal data of three sides were revealed from the national criminal information system the data of all criminals and organizations even those who have an intelligence task ordered upon what means having that that you're not uh prosecuted legally you're just being investigated but you it's supposed that you don't have to know you're being investigated well now you know 10 from the mail accounts particularly from the one of organized crime the data of all once again the data of all the agents that participate in tasks of record and intelligence that poses a real danger as we'll see later in argentina public information is really misused really misused some people think that uh for example you americans have the social security number we have a tax id a dni a national id number or tax id is composed of of public data uh for example as we'll see later uh what you earn your tax category is also public so everyone knows where you live how much you earn and probably which hour you are away from home 10 uh another another thing the organized crime division using an email without any key any cryptographic key so a simple plain text email from the mail account of compliance the data of all civilians reporting a regular situation shows as police carnivans or abuse you're denouncing your own police and they had been leaked so if you have denounced at any cop he's in carnivans with a smuggler he's in carnivans with a human trafficker now he knows you rather him out is it understood to this point uh i know my pronunciation is not the best but sorry about that okay two people were found guilty of the attack and later prosecuted later it was found they commanded a spearfishing campaign where they compromised 30 accounts including the ministers data from people with criminal records and police officers feds mostly obtained from the leaks uh is currently being used on certain data stashes in argentina it's really popular to have uh what i call parasite sites every time every time uh for example all federal revenue agency has a leak these parasites are abusing it and keeping and storing it for example uh during some years our federal administration got a bad control of the api so anyone could query it infinitely on a loop these are stashes armored themselves with a database crowded one by one constantly and they are for example now you have to pay in bitcoins to search for anyone just a little satoshis and you can search for anyone have their address have the tax ID how much they earn and so on we'll talk about this during the last week and a lot lost upon dissolving uh Buenos Aires metropolitan police our mayor had government or as your Rodriguez Larreta announced that the creation of the Buenos Aires city police if someone knows the difference between Buenos Aires city and Buenos Aires metropolitan i would gladly hear it okay in his own words this new force is the most modern police in the world you know we are argentines we have the better things the best things are ours always i know you can love no no problem as the original members from the metropolitan police remember a metropolitan police is just for the Buenos Aires city police a big city but you know you can't compare a city police to a federal police in any way okay so he signed a political agreement to convert federal agents to local agents mostly because he could not cover what he had promised the most modern police in the world what happened here is the first thing uh the first important thing more than the other intestines that lead to what we have today cops became unhappy you know one day you're a federal agent you take care on this is without meaning any disrespect to local agents obviously but you train for years to be a federal agent you're trained and you can take action under trafficking economic crimes money laundering human trafficking cybercrime every time the local police meets on a cybercrime case has to call defense and then you are trained on criminal intelligence you are trained for years or whatever specialty you want to take but now you cannot uh exercise it you cannot use that specialty you are like uh degraded to local agents then a new series of technological control uh technological control measures were implemented these new officers who had their own freedom of working they worked on their own way faced from one day to another a new series of measures they are not used to for example carrying an android device with them at all times with a gps enable and a battery uh how you call it uh a portable battery uh that tracks their activity and their world turns they can't live amid earlier that seems good in theory but what happens when it starts to fail let's see soon when all these new technological measures stopped working as intended and generated a further conflict instead of resolving situations the personnel started ranting first between them hey this phone it's not working it says i located one block away so i cannot start my turn you know you when you need a cop you need him here doing his job why does he have to deal with a phone that doesn't work with a gps that marks him two blocks away with a timer that says hey uh you owe me one minute stay one minute longer what happens when you have uh an emergency and say hey you left your area of course i left my area ten remember sorry first between them and then on the net just created what we later see as the blue whistle blowers people started ranting online and sharing information that should be shared remember the station world war once pfa operatives and the data was leaked before and they continued leaking but voluntarily let's start checking the perimeter of the most modern police in the world we'll use a passive record and we won't try to exploit anything once again so all of the Buenos Aires city police sites share the same SSL certificate causing errors like domain name mismatch and marking them as insecure every one of them is vulnerable to puddle slot and round from 2014 okay this can be checked with third party tools like a model SSL analyzer and also our objective was to prove that it was easy as writing four lines of code so we made a repo on github a site that you can check this with any other tool you like our objective was that to show that with four lines you can prove our point choose four or three lines nothing more okay checking the common name mismatch that works on every certificate on every site and for checking puddle slot and round vulnerable sites as you might see it fails sorry the message is in Spanish but i think we all get the error ten it was they are using one certificate for six sites six main sites and it works only for one obviously i think we most of us know about CERBO or all the SSL certificate service for free well they seem they don't know it as you might see with Komodo this is SSL certificate name mismatch in Spanish it says that the certificate was issued for security at Ciudad Govar a domain that doesn't point to anywhere but they have implemented that way ten again private security public safety internal network is vulnerable to puddle puddle round puddle one of the sites at Drupal sorry will randomly serve the default Drupal installation script upon accessing it so any uacitor can interact with the instance by installing a new one atop the original they're browsing a plop Drupal welcome to installation and you say what the rest of the sites tend to have their lesson activated by default so we not only deserve it have a script files but also custom tests the original dv lovers wrote and committed to production also upload directories are publicly available let's stop for a second on this if the original dv lovers do not clean up what they are committing it reminds me of what happened to pfa with the default remember the default example for bloating files it's basically the same situation you know notices policialis means police related news Govar as you might see is an official site okay the deal listing this is the private security site a few might know there are any mce it's a little ide for how sorry reading in how a script here an instance of tiny mce is hosted there and it can be activated abusing an xss for example if one could be found the police recruitment site is highly righted from the original metropolitan site you can check this look 2016 during eight years seven as one of sire's metropolitan police and one as one of sire's city police that site suffered from an xxs vulnerability so we can activate tiny mc for obvious reason we won't do it we deploy two books for testing the vulnerability to proof of concepts that as i'm dealing again available at the head when abusing the input for triggering the xss the site locks and prints an error stating a failed sql query you know an sql injection is possible for example what's the malicious script you want to load malicious.com that site doesn't exist with framework it writes your url and as you might see the source it's located you already load a big framework instance for anyone to visit this time what we do is executing in line have a script we change every link to malicious.com slash trojan.x on the sire's city police click here malicious.com trojan.x also we can note that none of the sites implemented captcha systems toward automatic requests not even the firewall or gateway also the private security site may need client side have a script login mechanisms as we all know you can disable any or tamper any mechanism written in have a script no captcha no captcha this was one of the site leakage this one too no captcha and also uses the client side have a script this site was on leakage this is the real quick sofos again file it as a cell and no captcha this version of sofos provides no captcha by default so on the other hand sofos was questioned as true a few months ago because it's happy uses md4 hashes without salt without paper simple and plain md4 hashes you know hash killer.co the uk or any online service for free can break them in a matter of seconds it was broken in 2007 I should not protect anything the blue freaker this is a character that appeared during the blue wister blowers every police and every officer had an an assigned phone a custom android phone assigned one of these guys that isn't a hacker or a freaker by itself started playing with the phone and located a lot of facts and even rooted his phone and all his partner phones and they are now out of the police systems so as a lot of cops went online ranting then the phones tracked them at the current location what we were talking before does not allow them to enter their servers all the simple offline that in work hours what looked like they were absent from the servers or abandoned the servers they had to have to explain their situation caused by system failure they went online exposing this this blue freaker published online a series of videos of him breaking the underage locations obtained building information from the whole Buenos Aires police city account millions more expensive that what was publicly said privilege escalation to install apps whatever apps you like and so with it he installed king root and if definitely countered his phone we did his scan and his apn network finding a lot of weak assets and even some of the printers that were vulnerable to flaming you remember that botnet printed robots all are all around the world well the default port open uh 9001 without any password this step is the other talk as you might see these are like homemade photos he was just working around his service taking photos of what he was breaking installing social networks then looking for routine sorry for the quality is as he's admitted he's admitted it takes away and then this guy this is him making a query that any phone can make that can make sorry he's asking with that number about his uh billing information how much uh how much money do we owe to the company this might take a second as you might see nine millions well it's not really 10 another incident happened sometime ago before the leaks a subway camera with an attached monitor failed and crashed to desktop the monitor then showed with a loving screen with an unmasked password and a public IP address probably the camera server it was visible during almost three hours before what a silent city police technician repaired it on site the password was leaking in text in plain text this is a really crowded area where anybody who happens to be can see the the password the blue with the blowers all of the blue several pasted containing personal data like users emails and password from various police sites were published on past vint it was later found that those credentials belong to critical assets the recruitment size the one I said that had no caption was hacked contained medical and psychological records you know that three do you draw to prove you are not crazy religious family and personal information for every officer chief cadet and patrolman and the police report database contained information from both criminals informants and complainants with a PII most passwords were one two three four five six or numeric only a lot of passwords were personal names we might see this later as you might see personal names like Felipe Emilio and so on MD five okay on 2011 an anonymous blog exposed a complaint about money laundering in the metropolitan police exposing telephones and institutional males of officers chiefs and divisions once again these accounts are used for official proposed but are not institutional so they belong to public domains like gmail yahoo or hotmail it was never taken down it's been some years since it is active so we'll try to make some awesome queries over that and find where the leak could have happened at who could have been the zero the patient zero as you might see laundering in the metropolitan police blog spot let's start crafting intelligence from these smashes database all dumps and online runs one day it happened it the Buenos Aires city police was hacked uh and lose and lost uh three gigabytes of databases with important information it was a national scandal as you might see they were offline and they were offline for like seven days without having any notice until the fourth day having the having that message so we have a lot of loose ends to follow in order to reconstruct how the last leak was carried on the regional leaks the minister leaks the multiple vulnerabilities they have already the Buenos Aires city police leaks the previous one the intelligence the intelligence gathered crossing information from all the above all wars we'll see this if we had time later okay let's try to cross information from the previous section the blogger one I think you everybody knows how you've been pounded it's a place where you simply enter your username or a password or an email and tells you if it had been involved in any leak we search for three of the higher chiefs of the police three were looking before we search for another chief from the ministry not the police itself liquor too and also he's featured it in an entire user database leak from micro electronic cash then the cio he was a ticket to remember most of these leaks contain the password hint in plain text for example name of my daughter then it's easy to crack it yeah this uh this is the secretary of public safety pounded two three times three chiefs two civilians one of them the police cio at the time and the secretary of the public safety were compromised as we were saying by checking on right forums you can get a free copy of the richard database simple by earning points commenting sharing and so on in previous leaks they used a numerical password for the password containing their children's name even the hints pointed this out like my first child or dmi the national identification number as we say before this data is manipulated and awaited almost anything is made publicly available whether you want it or not for example if you google me you can find my tax id uh my fiscal address as i am not a company that's my personal house how much i earn so it's really easy to find uh valuable data sites the parasites i was talking about dateas buscar datos buscar personas informa multiboroc with online under like contain that information and even keep an historical record better than the federal tax agency and they are trying desperately to keep as much information as possible so you can query the gapi okay with these hints my daughter and my dna let's find those passwords by searching him by his name we have the tax id and the central part of the tax id is the dna so we have the password and where he lives his age it's and so on the tax id when you cut the first two numbers on the last one you have the dna their password now let's find the cio's daughter we'll search him online then based on the address we have we'll search how many people lives under the same street number the same roof it's easy if they all share the same surname the same last name they must be related the only problem we have here is that uh when you're talking about uh children mean or beige uh you might not have the same information disclosed as with adults but this method never failed in me so as you might see the link it is redacted just for security question it's the one with the r-roll as you might have as you might see we have five people camila pilar lucia are women they are all candidates five people live under the same roof we try to do uh the link in damp they are a sha one passwords unsalted so uh the secretary account won't be tested as every leak he was involved with stored and disclosed his passwords plain texts so uh sorry we hashed one of the passwords i won't say which one with sha one and it coincided with the link in damp so we have his passwords so this might be the way they were leaked just one minute and we finished warris it should be noted that during the leaks warris could have played an important role uh i recommend you decide i know what you don't know at it's uh like a bogus tracker not what was bought a strange tracker that exposed what you were downloading with your ip address so uh i had found that the Buenos Aires city police is involved in the federal crime of piracy strange enough this is the gateway look look some series but look at this counter strike global offensive war so game torres dot com will you trust downloading that oh no i know you have the entire police internet connection to download that really high speed but really you shouldn't be downloaded this once again lego dc comic supper heroes just a leak comic clash lego scooby-doo you might notice is dangerous whether you're in the police or not so our conclusions thanks and credits my con conclusions are we are not safe even those who have to take care of us neither are a false sense of security is a slow and insidious killer do not trust your data to be kept securely this is especially for argentine people it is not stored safely internet does not forget even if that means those all leaks on one made available some years ago and no we don't have the most modern police in the world let's stop being argentines for a moment we don't have the best things in the world we're argentines corruption money laundering we have more than a two prosecutors sir war mindset we lost out of question okay special thanks to the recon village crew for receiving me a heartfelt thanks to my working team that's what in argentina and to the blue freaker who shared with everybody what really was happening behind the scene okay already if any one of you has a question yes we have many laws about that accessing but what happens is that they are not respected at all for example i'm going to answer you based on my experience on government i worked for local for federal for security forces and for example when you need a federal place to get data from a local place it's a really hassle they mostly resolve it with okay i share the database link with you or i share the dam take this disk have it please don't lose it that's the national standard aside from what is written so we have many laws reading but they are not they are not taken seriously for example one of the the cases that shaken me the most people in the bursary city police were sharing reports with usb drives personal usb drives we never the system went offline so okay we have to keep working usb drive then you have to send like a messenger walking there sending them i think that might be but i have no proof that might be also an important point in the leaking part i say everyone could have a copy in their pocket if anyone has any other questions yes it's possible argentina is really well known for having many behind the scenes how do i tell it i have some shady interests between nations since yes you know we on during the last years during a federal investigation of terrorism one of our prosecutors was moderate and it's unsolved to this day you might see how the law is moving in my country how they work so it's yes it's possible mostly because it was announced as a political assets as a campaign a political campaign promise we will have a new world police with no corruption the most technological in the world etc etc so it could be yes well they patched a lot of these things but that doesn't stop the leak from being available on torrents or on great databases or on other world sites they patched for example the excess and the access to the gateway at least i don't know the rest for the last time we tried they did that we always try to update these because they were patching some things but they are a little bit slower excuse me i don't have a really ready to be public answer okay any other questions i hope you like it and i asked you once again pardon for my pronunciation it's not the best but well i hope you enjoyed it


Hey guys, it's Nate, AKA the Foot Accountant. Welcome back to the channel. EA hit us with a nice surprise just a couple hours ago by upgrading the path to glory and some of the ones to watch cards a little earlier than we expected to see. So those live upgrades are in the game. I want to take a look at those cards, how they're moving on the market, and how the rest of the market is absolutely flying, to be completely honest. A lot of card prices are just going up and up with path to glories, with the cards that are impacts, the current promo cards, and just most cards in general are up in price with the content yesterday being a little bit lackluster and the end of the craziness of Black Friday kind of ending, right? We're headed out of the weekend into the week that really wasn't too much for Cyber Monday yesterday. So the market is very healthy once again and we're seeing some prices rise, which is nice, especially in the fodder area as well. With that year in review player pick that we had yesterday, you're seeing a lot of that fodder moving in the store. And again, with the packs that are in the store kind of going away. We have those big packs that are going away. You know, we've got the season one review pack is still here, but a lot of this stuff is expiring today. If you take a look at the timer, a lot of this is going away today. So it's kind of the end of the Black Friday madness. So that's what's going on in the game. Let's talk about it. If you're enjoying the videos on the channel, hit the thumbs up, subscribe if you're new. Let's talk about this tweet, which then told us about the upgrades that we got with the PTGs and the ones to watch nation win upgrades to those cards. EA tweeted this, I believe that is midnight UK time, which is again, something that we need to know because that might mean that all of our upgrades are going to take place at midnight UK. And technically for the path to glory cards that got upgraded, this was the first like legit potential day that they could have been upgraded and EA was very fast with this. So hats off to EA, claps all around because I mean the fact that Portugal literally won like what, six to seven hour, not even that much like four hours before this tweet went live with the upgrades. That's a big dub. So fair play to EA for the fast upgrades. The teams that are through to the knockout rounds got the PTG upgrades, Bernardo Silva. Again, you see that it's a plus one overall. You get a couple plus twos on individual stats with each plus one rating overall. So Bernardo Silva got plus two defense, plus two physical, not the biggest upgrade there. And Kunku got plus two defense, plus two physical, plus ones all the way else around the card. Vinny got plus two passing and plus two physical, nice upgrade there, almost getting him to 80 passing. That would have been very nice to get him there. Griezmann got plus, what did he get? Plus three physical, really big upgrade for Griezmann's physical, plus two defense and then plus one all the way around. Paulinha with the pace and the shooting getting plus two, nice upgrade there. So check your clubs. Oh, Bruno Gamerich getting a plus two pace on his card, making him look a lot more usable. And you can tell, right? This was the instant reaction to a lot of these cards getting upgraded was a price rise. Now prices were already starting to rise into the nighttime, but these card prices have spiked since then. You can see Bruno Gamerich was about 290K, spiked up right now where he has that 324,000 coins as people are seeing these upgrades. And it's again, a bit, it's catching us off guard because it's a bit earlier than what we honestly expected to see, specifically for these Path to Glories. Now for the ones to watch cards that got upgraded, these cards, I mean, we were expecting to see those, right? Some of these guys had won games and had gotten kind of a clinch their upgrade for a while. Mane goes to a 92, no upgrade for Rudiger, but a plus one for Dibala, plus one for Delict. Sterling gets that another extra upgrade. Their card looking even spicy as ever with that 70 physical. DeMaria with another upgrade. Richarlison looks very spicy with a plus two, 87 pace, 85 shooting now.  And then Gabriel Jesus looks nice. I wish they would have given him more than one pace though. I mean, plus two pace would have been nice, but he didn't get that, but he looks still pretty good. Antony is one of the biggest cards that got such a massive upgrade, plus one pace, plus three shooting, three passing, three physical, two defense, and one dribbling on this Antony card. That makes his card look a lot better from a face value, getting the 80 shooting and the passing there. Same thing with Chamani, plus two pace, plus three shooting, two physical, basically two all the way around, but with plus three shooting for him. So very nice upgrade there. A couple of other ones like Bergwain, Renato Sanchez, getting a pretty nice upgrade as well. They gave him plus four shooting. He is almost toilet gang. They gave him plus three defense. He didn't get plus four though. So again, if you take a look at football and you see these guys' prices, the reaction to this is that they're all going up, right? All of these cards have legit gone up in price. And it's even pretty honest to say they've flown up in price since the upgrades have happened, right? Antony, I remember yesterday when Brazil was playing was at around 250,000 coins. Right now this card is 274K, 266, right there, sitting on the market at the moment. So, yes, these cards are gonna be very, they're gonna be moving a lot today, right? And with the way the market is right now, it actually I think is, it bodes well for these cards to maintain a bit of a higher price, even though there's a ton of people that have invested in these cards, right? If you take a look at some of these cards, like this one right here on this Chamani, 12 owners and the current club, zero games played. That is a sure sign and basically it tells you that somebody has invested in that card, they have not played any games with it and they are listing that card on the market to sell it and to make profit. So, that is what you look for with kind of reading the market for a lot of people that have invested and a lot of the people that are listing these up, not everybody, but a lot of people that are listing these ones to watch cards up are people that are investing and they're taking their cash. So, that's gonna be the very interesting thing in terms of the market today that we're gonna have to watch out for and keep an eye on is, how many people are selling these cards as investments? Like look at this Bruno Gimmerich, they're like all people that are selling this card as an investment, it's crazy as I cycle through these cards here. So, there's gonna be fluctuation with these cards today. I do think there is opportunity to make some coins on them though, even after the upgrades, right? Some of these guys are down a little bit from where they were when they first got the upgrades and seeing where these prices are at now. So, definitely keeping an eye on that and seeing where they go today. But again, like I said, with the whole rest of the market going up in price, that bodes well for those cards because if the market's feeling pretty healthy, there's not a lot of crashing that's going on and prices are starting to rise, people are gonna feel more free probably to go and try out these brand new and upgraded cards. So, I would definitely, definitely watch these guys today. Think about the ones that have the biggest upgrades, right? You're gonna wanna watch Anthony, Chalamet, Renato Sanchez, Gabriel Jesus, right? Gabriel Jesus, this is a weird one. He's 170K, that's what he was before the upgrade, right? Jesus was 189 last night between 170 and 180 and he's back down to 170, right? And if you take a look at the sales history, you can even see that he was selling at like 199 right after the upgrade happened. So, kind of interesting to see some of these cards have like dipped back down after they shot back up. Could that mean a more potential rise today? We'll have to see, just keep an eye on the market of these brand new upgraded players. But in all honesty, this is good to know, especially, especially for the path to glory cards because I wonder if it means that EA are gonna start upgrading these cards at the end of every like possible game week, like of every match day, if you know what I mean? Because yesterday was the last day that teams played their second game in the group stages, right? So today begins the third game for everybody else. So we might be looking towards the end of this week, again, for a potential time for upgrades on path to glory cards from everybody that clinches their spot. Like, hopefully the US can do today, Christian Pulisic, hopefully getting an upgrade if US can win against Iran. England, of course, I have a Kyle Walker path to glory card on my transfer list that I bought for 700K. I think the way we're seeing it right now is it would make sense if EA were gonna upgrade these cards the next set of upgrades at the end of this week, at the last day that a team is playing to get into the knockouts and when the groups are basically settled at that point. So that's what I'd watch out for with those upgrades, but guys, it feels so nice to finally get the live upgrades for these cards that we've been waiting on and just getting hyped for and seeing their prices go up a ton is nice too, especially if you invested like, you know, if you bought a Bernardo Silva, even yesterday, Bernardo Silva was like 580K, Bernardo was now 650. I mean, we could take a look at countless cards that were upgraded that have exploded in price and if you're happy with a profit on some of these, then feel free to take them. I think that this movement on the market is gonna continue to push the other path to glory cards up because people are like, oh my goodness, these upgrades, they're coming, right? They're on the doorstep. So a lot of these PTGs have gone up a lot. Romero's 151, Goretzka's almost back to a million coins. So if I were you and if you have some coins liquid and you're looking around and saying, hey, where can I potentially get involved? You know, even the young and cool Bali have gone up 20K in the past couple of hours from where they were, just keep an eye on these cards and say, if any of these are like guaranteed to get an upgrade or basically guaranteed to get an upgrade, keep a close eye on them because I think there's still some potential market rise and a few of these that have some room to go up that are still maybe way down from where they were last week when everything crashed, right? Gomez was 600K, went down to 350. Yeah, now he's back to 415, but could he end up going to the high 400s again? Potentially, you know, that's the sort of thing that we're looking at with these live cards in this market and I feel like we have a bit more of a liberty to mess around and be a little more speculative with some of that stuff, just because the fact that, you know, the market is very healthy at the moment and we're gonna talk about this market rise in a second but that's the big news for today on Tuesday is these big upgrades, the quick upgrades that EA are in with these cards and I'm a big fan. So shout out to EA Sports for the fast upgrades on these. That's a big GG and I think we're gonna see more cards rising in price because of the upgrades coming later on this week unless EA throws something crazy at us on the market which may not be the case of what's gonna happen today but we'll just have to see. Let's talk about the rest of the market. Like we said, a lot of prices are going up. A lot of your road to the World Cup cards that are in packs from the promo team, those cards are going up as well and you saw a lot of the losses that happened and a lot of the price drops that happened from the past basically from Sunday were kind of, you know, reverse, right? Marquinhos went from the 800K range down to 500Ks. Right now Marquinhos is back at 680, 700. So a nice rise there. Shunmin's son was, you know, 700K. He is now, he went all the way down to like 590. He's back up to 640, 660. So a nice rise there. And some of your other cards, like I bought wine aldems at, what was it? Like 62K or 63K. This guy is all the way back up to 79,000 coins. A really, really nice market rise all around. So GGs, if you bought some stuff like we talked about a couple of nights ago at Sunday night timeframe into yesterday on Monday was a perfect time to get involved with the market. And I just think we're gonna continue to see prices slowly rise up because I don't know what's gonna make prices really drop today. What is there to be panicked about right now on this game? We do have a couple of leaks for the next upcoming promo. We'll talk about that. But really my question for today is, is EA gonna drop any sort of SBC that would make us panic? And to that I really don't know if they are. The only thing is there's a lot of upgrade packs that are expiring today. A lot of our big Black Friday SBCs that we saw on the weekend, like the 85 plus double, the 81 plus specific league specific and nation specific upgrade packs. The regular 81 plus doubles, they are going away today. And a lot of those other like 84 plus upgrade, the 83 plus player pick, those are all going away today around content. So I just wondered if EA would refresh any of these. I really hope they re-release the 85 double because this upgrade pack is actually really nuts. I did one of those yesterday and I packed Inform Cancelo in the first one that I did. Two days ago I packed YNAL them. So I'm a fan of these 85 doubles. I hope EA re-released them. But especially if you wanted to stack any upgrade packs for, I know some people are looking at these and saying, hey, I could hold those for team of the year or maybe for the next promo as we have a Rashford and a Van Dyke that are leaked already. You know, I think today is your last chance to get in on those because I doubt EA would re-release the 81 plus doubles today. We still have the player picks that are going to be available though. I do believe the 78 plus player pick and the 75 plus World Cup winners player pick are going to still be available until the weekend. So there's still potential to craft those if you want to. And then also today, the mixed campaign player pick is going to be refreshing. So if that's a gamble SBC that you were interested in, that's going to be some more demand for fodder today. So definitely watch out for that. I also think we might get a team of the week upgrade refresh today as well. EA has been doing this every single week. So that might be a part of our Tuesday content but I'm not expecting a ton of content today. So just like we saw yesterday, if there is any drops in price before the 6 p.m. content drop, maybe it's on like a World Cup hero card. Some of those were down a little bit yesterday or they weren't up that much, right? I think the next move over the couple of days, if you're just trying to make a quick buck and quick trade on the market would be, watch some of your more rare cards heading into 6 p.m. content. And if there's any prices that are down, buy them before content.  What panic is going to happen today? I would just say take that little extra risk this week unless it looks like we have a crazy leak or a crazy pack that's been added to the code. Yes, EA could surprise us at any time and drop like that max 89 hero upgrade again and that would make this game go bananas and there would definitely be some panic selling for that. But if there's no leaks or no talk about anything like that, then I would feel pretty safe about buying before content on the days where you see price drops and then selling afterwards when we see the market kind of rebound a little bit. So be ready to trade with some fluctuations this week. There's really not any great places to invest on the market right now because fodder is sky high. 84s are over 5K, 85s are 10, 86s are 16. Fodder is booming and even 88s and the higher tier fodder is back up a little bit again because I think people just went back out and started doing SBCs once again. Yesterday, of course, with rewards, Monday morning, late Sunday night, these 91s were down in the low 50s. They are back up now to about 63K. Your 88s were like 27, they're now at 32, 33. So fodder is sky high. Really no opportunity to invest in these cards right now. What we really need is some supply. Like supply would be the only thing that would make these card prices go down. But again, they could even go a little higher today. And that's what I've been telling people is, hey, if you have fodder that you're still waiting to sell, listed for Lazy's, I think it could go higher today before content, maybe even after content, depending on what packs, what SBCs they refresh, like we talked about that 85 plus upgrade. If they were to re-release that SBC again today, then I would absolutely think that some of your 85s would continue to go up. People have already done a lot of these 85 plus upgrades, even though it's repeatable five times, I think people would be very willing to do it again with all the cards that are in packs. So some of that fodder could even go up further today, just keep an eye out for that. So it all seems nice, fun and dandy right now in this game because of the way the market is going. It's a big change from like two days ago, right? When everything was just dumping, prices were down like crazy. And it's nice to have those signs of life that we talked about in last night's video. And it's nice to see that happen. Now the only part that we are complaining about, and this is pretty big, right? We can't gloss over this, this is pretty legit. This is a problem. EA released eight more swap tokens, right? So we are now up to 40. There are 40 total swap tokens. If you've done every store pack, if you've done every objective, there are 40 total tokens that could have been claimed on this game. The problem is, and I'm sure you guys are aware of this, EA decided to try to fix their issue in the World Cup Swaps mode by limiting us to making only 10 matches per hour. You're only able to play 10 matches per hour of World Cup Swaps. It refreshes every hour, which is still okay. But what I think EA is trying to do here is to combat the gameplay ban that people were getting because of the Golden Goal mode. Somehow EA's game registers this first two Golden Goal mode as like a rage quit loss every time you lose. So if you lose more than a couple of games, or if it's more than a handful of games every hour, every couple of hours, you'll get a gameplay soft ban. A lot of people have had this issue, right? I don't really know how to get rid of it. You just kind of have to wait until it goes away. This is EA's attempt at stopping this. And really what the problem with this is, is it makes this mode more sweaty because people feel like, not everybody can go on FIFA every single hour and play their 10 games to get their swap tokens and swaps worked for. So that's the problem with this, right? EA's trying to fix something that is broken on their end without fixing the actual problem. They're just trying to put a bandaid over top of it and say, hey, this might work, right? Well, it's still a problem because it makes this mode more sweaty. People feel like they have to try hard. They get their games in on the limited amount of time that they have to play. And yeah, now just people don't like being limited, right? Especially when we have to play a lot of games to get these cards. Like right here, like six matches. Let's say it takes you 10 matches for every single. One of these, that's 80 matches right here for each of these swap tokens and upgrades. Now I know we're at all different skill levels in the game and stuff. So that's besides the point because it's gonna take people way more or less depending on where you're at. But that's a big complaint right now in this game and that does hurt a lot that we have to put that extra time in and have to rave about it a bit more and it just makes the mode more sweaty. But with 40 tokens being available, the Patrick Vera and the biggest reward out of this group is finally claimable. And same thing with the FIFA World Cup icon player pick. I've seen people opening these. Some W's, some L's. So now every single swap's reward is available. There's still more tokens to drop, of course, as we expect to at least see 50, maybe 60. The since they're 60 in concepts, we still don't know what's going on with that. But I'm getting ever so close to attaining the 84x60 which personally, I know we have a couple leaked cards and I wanna take a look at this right now and show you the two leaked cards. This one was posted yesterday. Marcus Rashford World Cup stories player. That's expected. So those are the legit stats that we should see on this card. Very nice upgrade there for him, for that Rashford card. Hopefully, of course, left wing, left mid striker positions like his base gold. And then we do have the VVD that was leaked on the weekend. So that's interesting. We maybe will see some more leaks for these players today, but it's got people thinking, hey, should I save my fodder packs if I'm gonna open those for the next promo? Now personally, I'm gonna open them because A, I need to do Messi. Messi's expiring soon. And B, there's a best up team of the week. There's icons and packs. There's a rather large promo team in packs right now. I'm going for it. So that's why I'm looking at all what's in packs right now. I'd rather take the risk and even seeing how mid some of these 84 times 20s have been. I'm still gonna go for it because of the potential that is there. And also because the SBC that I need that fodder from to craft only has three days remaining. So that's why I'm gonna open the fodder packs ASAP. So I'm working on those games as fast as I can. But that's kind of what's going on in this game right now. Again, the upgrades today are very nice. Shout out to EA for putting out those upgrades as fast as they did. We're gonna have to keep a close eye on these cards on the game today and how their prices fluctuate and keep a close eye on the PTGs because it looks like those cards are just gonna keep sliding upwards with how this market is headed at the moment. Now, if there's any surprises, of course, we'll be covering it live on street today. Twitch.tv slash foot account, check that link below. But if you enjoyed today's video, have a great Tuesday, smash the thumbs up, comment down below if you have any questions and subscribe if you're new. It's been Nate for The Count. I'm gonna catch you guys later. Peace out.