So, welcome to Manchester for the first European OpenStack operators meet-up. We've got the OpenStack community across Europe is very well represented here and we've got folks from as far afield as the US and Japan and we've got a packed couple of days of discussion sessions around OpenStack. It's seriously exciting because I believe in this venue and with the 100 or so people who come along we've really captured the spirit of OpenStack and continuing along in the tradition of OpenStack. So, we're going to be sharing best practices, gathering a whole lot of feedback on how people use the software and getting people actively involved. Tell me more about what I can look forward to in the agenda. So, we've got a pretty packed agenda, maybe 30 odd sessions across a couple of days. We've got things happening like the first meeting of the scientific working group which is going to talk about research computing as it relates to OpenStack. We're very fortunate to have the project technical lead of NOVA joining us to hear about all the things that are working perfectly with NOVA and some that perhaps aren't so much. And I believe on Tuesday morning we're fortunate to have the CTO of a company called EnterIT that's just one that's a tender with the European Union to provide cloud there talking about OpenStack in the European context. And tell me about something that is surprising that is coming out of this meeting so far. So, I think there's some unique opportunities for OpenStack emerging in Europe. The concerns about data sovereignty kind of make the European landscape a kind of unique place in terms of opportunity for localised cloud provision. And we're starting to see the results of that now, particularly with federated cloud provision from localised European-based providers. Well, thank you so much for hosting. So, let's talk Keystone. What were some of the hot topics you discussed during this Ops mid-cycle? So, the Keystone group was really focused on the question of Keystone and Federation and for Europe that's a really important topic because you have a number of different organisations, especially the educational organisations that are all very interested in OpenStack or deploying OpenStack and need to communicate with their peers in other countries. So, you have Federation because of the distributed nature of the community here. So, they're very interested in it. When we did sort of a show of hands who's actually using it, there were only three groups that are actually currently using Federation as a group here in the UK that's actually very heavily using it. And they're all interested, but that was sort of the first aspect. The second part of the conversation really then jumped into the rest of Federation. What else needs to be federated within the OpenStack environment? So, we kind of stepped away from Keystone and started talking about what needs to happen in Nova, what needs to happen in Glantz, like if I'm dealing with images and wanting to manage those and manipulate those across different boundaries. And tell us some of the action items that came out of your discussion on Keystone. So, the sort of the top action items were not so much Keystone related as they were. What are the other services that an action need to integrate? I remember there was one group that was looking at an extension to Keystone and I think we've sort of mapped them or given them a path to communicate with the Keystone community, really get involved and actually potentially develop the code that they need to better integrate into the back end service. They're directly based service to tie into the Federation services of Keystone. But beyond that, it was more how do we continue that concept of Federation into the other projects, into the Nova, into the Glantz, into the Neutrons were appropriate. Thank you. Hi Stig, how are you doing today? Very good, very good indeed. Great to hear that. It's a great meet-up, I really enjoy this actually. It's the first time I've been to the Operators meet-up and I've really got a lot of value from meeting so many people. There's just everyone who I've spoken to, everyone I've met has been useful and valuable and helpful. It's a fantastic experience actually, it's really great. Glad to hear that. So tell me a little bit more about the Scientific Work Group. So I work with Cambridge University and we are looking at really sort of rationalising a lot of the infrastructure that my group, the Research Computing Services Group provide. We started looking at OpenStack in the autumn of last year and really I think what we found was that it was very difficult to find other people who were using OpenStack in a similar way to the way that we envisaged. We went to the summit in Tokyo. We started off, we set up ball rolling with a couple of introductions with some really helpful people. Tim Bell from CERN in particular who put us in touch with a guy called David Flanders who is in the OpenStack Foundation now. And really from there we just had this amazing, it was like a Mexican wave going around the world and he put us in touch with other researchers across the UK and then that snowballed across Europe. I went around Australia at least four times. There are so many Australian people who are interested in this idea of this scientific working group came back through the United States and now I think we have something like 85 people signed up for the scientific working group which is just incredible. It's way beyond our expectations. So in terms of a community there is this huge sort of spontaneous upwelling of interest from across the world from these scientific research foundations and institutions. Great to hear that. So what were some of the hot topics you discussed at the Oxford Cycle? So we had a fairly informal get together and the first thing that happened was the room that we had was too small by half and so we had to go and find a bigger space and really I guess the really interesting thing that struck me was like the social connection that was forming as soon as we've raised a topic it was like yes I have this problem or I've solved it in this way or I've seen this interesting work going on over there. There was such a useful exchange of ideas. I mean it was an hour and 20 minutes and every one of those minutes I learned something I think and a very worthwhile experience and I'm really looking forward to continuing with this and building this into something that will be of great benefit to other institutions and other scientific establishments across the world. And so what were some of the actionable items resulting from this session? Well I guess the first thing that we really came away with was this idea that we need to have a way of sharing information. So we already have like HPC tags on the operators mailing list, that kind of thing but I think what we really identified was the need for some kind of a knowledge base like a place for gathering this stuff because a lot of the information that is helpful for doing scientific compute on OpenStack is really scattered around the world and it's not always easy to find or to curate that stuff into a useful collection. So I think that the first and the biggest action item that I saw from our meeting yesterday was how could we actually bring that stuff or link that stuff together into a useful resource which might actually then serve as a knowledge base a planet or a portal, an event stream and an archive of information that will really help people get on board with scientific OpenStack. Great to hear that. Anything else you'd like to add? I think it's early days. This was really... I mean our working group is not even officially inaugurated yet. We're looking forward to doing that at the Austin Summit coming up in April. So I'm tremendously encouraged by this first meeting at the European Operator's Meetup. It's going to be a fantastic journey and I think any other scientific institutions or any other interested parties who'd like to get involved, please do because we are not even officially started yet but already the ball is rolling so please do get started. Great. Thank you. Please tell us a little bit about some of the hot topics here at the mid-cycle. Absolutely. We had lots of great discussions about NOVA and compute-related activities. So I gave a good summary of what was what's been happening over in the TACA and the last few releases with things like Upgrade and all the work on live migrate fixes. So we had a great session going through how we're evolving live migrate for the TACA cycle. We've got some great outcomes there where we're just making sure that all the operators, like their use cases are being dealt with with the work they're working on and that seems to be going really well. We did a deep dive into Upgrades and packaging and everything else. It was really interesting to see the variety of different ways in which people are upgrading and packaging the whole OpenStack and particularly NOVA and how they're dealing with that. Talking about the differences between deploying off-master and deploying from stable branches and how that impacts like the development cycles and book fixing and everything else. So it was really interesting. One of the things that we I got out of this was making sure that the path that we've agreed from previous Ops cycles and other things that we're working out is really having this so particularly things along the lines of the life upgrade work to make sure that we have minimal downtime and hopefully actually zero downtime during the upgrade procedures and seeing how that impacts with people's packaging and their orchestration and what they're currently doing is how we get to more people using it and more feedback. There's some great feedback on folks using the initial versions and how the current roadmap for changes should help them and all that. So tell us a little bit about the action items now that have come out of the mid-cycle. Absolutely. So one great action item that's come out is making sure that we document more of the upgrade procedures so we need to make sure that the stuff that we now have validated in the gate with the Grenade Molteno job to make sure that process gets documented well so people can take that out and scale it out. There are some specific cases about back ports to stable branches and how the stable maintenance team is spinning up to make sure that we integrate well with that and make sure that there's good ways for all the operators to get their bugs and their problems treated in that system. So that's a good action item to follow up with the stable team. There are some more specific things like the step and the resides and the bugs that are closed and the features that we've done to fix individual people's problems to make sure that we ground those folks as actually being completed the way that we want the documentation in place to be more specific. So yeah, it's been really good to make sure that you get the full cycle of the problem sorted. Thank you very much. So Rocky, tell us what is OSOps? OSOps is a user committee project that is operations and it is collecting up all those scripts and tools that operators need beyond the basic OpenStack software to manage the day-to-day operations of their clouds. And tell us about some of the hot topics that were discussed about OSOps. Well, what we did is describing how we actually break down the breaking different repos to make it easier for the operators to start pushing code upstream. This is not the typical code that you will push for other OpenStack projects. This is a little bit more like an open space for operators to push whatever they want. So we're walking through the process to actually which one of these repos is the most important for the code that they wanted to push upstream to use those scripts, to use that code to sit back. One of the good things about it is we're going to start another session in this meetup to provide a little bit more like walking in, what exactly you will be welcome to push in those repos. So tell us about some of the action items that we can look forward to coming out of this summit. Well, one of the items that came out of the discussion was the need for tools that monitor the actual health state of the individual software packages in the cloud as opposed to just the infrastructure hardware. And the ask was how are you doing this? We've already got some info from CERN and we're going to try and get that merged in so other folks can take a look and give it a spin. And I think that we also need to provide a little bit more organization in the future. It could actually look a little bit messy and we're going to take it right now because it's just an initiative right now. But as we start making more content available for operators we're going to create a little bit more structure around it and we're going to provide the proper documentation for everybody to start documenting even more what these OS ops project is about. Right and one of the things that I've taken away from this is that we need to get also Sphinx documentation format into our repos so that each of these scripts do get documented and there's an easy way for operators to do that. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. So what would you say are the top bugs identified during the mid-cycle? There's a lot of great discussion about improvements needed for other services to support Keystone v3. There was discussion about neutron support for IPv6. There was a lot of talk around the different SDKs and OpenStacks CLI improvements needed for user tooling and developer tooling. So I think those were some of the highlights in the discussion. Great and tell us also about the highlights in terms of new feature requests. Yeah, there's ongoing work around a topic called get me a network which is essentially to make it easier to provision your first VM network is immediately available. Talk about improvements and kind of next steps needed there. Some other features were actually given the operators focus were tooling that the operators were interested in. It's really interesting within the meeting other operators mentioned that they had contributed stuff to OS ops tooling repo that were available for those other operators who were wondering if they should go build something. So a really great example of collaboration between operators. They're just that we're taking the feedback from this meeting and delivering it to the different project teams who weren't there in the meeting to kind of say these are the things that operators are really focused on us improving within OpenStack and hopefully those become a priority going forward. Thank you. Thanks. So tell me what were some of the hot topics that you discussed today? So with the Neutron project the number one topic that we ran into I think was a real concern about documentation. There were a number of different users that were basically saying that they didn't have enough documentation to really clearly understand what the best practices were which resources to actually use like which virtual switch to actually leverage and then proper configuration for those and so we actually pulled together a pretty decent list of a couple of additional scenarios that were needed to be captured in the documentation that I think would really help them. Great. So Edgar tell me about what some of the items that came out of the discussions were. Yes. As Robert mentioned, documentation was very important. So one of the things that we highlighted in the session was that we have a very specific guide for networking. We describe the guide now as a typical documentation when you go step by step. So actually what we did in that one was to create a scenario. Typical deployments that the operators would actually ended up doing to guide them to have best practices on how to use Neutron and how to actually get the best practices out of it. One of the things that we missed in that networking guide is a good section about how to do a troubleshooting at the booking on the communication path between virtual machines and the physical host. What else do you want to tell us about what's been happening at the mid-cycle? The mid-cycle I think has been great. We're getting a lot of feedback from the operators. A lot of interesting interactions especially given that many of them are running systems at very large scale. Here in Europe it seems like it's very high-performance computing so it's a large scale computing users. The network is an important part of that. Questions about network performance came up. How can we improve this? How can we find better ways of doing this? As Edgar was saying, one of the biggest issues was troubleshooting. When something does go wrong, how do they determine that? Just getting that feedback I think was really useful to get back to the community too. So besides documentation, what feedback would we be taking to the Neutron development team? Operators are aware that Neutron is a very complex architecture. They want actually to simplify a little bit based on the use cases that they have. They don't want to deploy all the simple use cases that we have available in Neutron. On the other hand, they want to have whatever is useful for the use cases to be applicable through a more simplified architecture. Thank you. Tell me your perspective on being here at your first Ops mid-cycle. It's unique to actually get here and be with other operators. It's nice to get out of the U.S. and get into the European zone. You get different perspectives on how they solve problems, the types of problems they have. It's very academic here it seems like, and the integrations that they approach. Whereas we are very industry focused, and they prefer peer-to-peer approaches that can bounce from cloud and do their own integrations, which is very core to their problem solving abilities and what they need in their final solutions. Tell me about what you're seeing here at the Ops Summit. So, what I find really exciting is creating a community of operators where they can talk with one another and exchange ideas and maybe find some commonality in some of the issues that they're finding so they can come to resolution. And what surprised you so far? I think what surprised me as well is some of the differences that we're finding in the European Union versus the United States and maybe North America in terms of how some of the requirements that are being placed on the operators particularly during the bidding process. What are you learning that might be helpful to your UX work in OpenStack? Well, it's actually a huge amount of really rich data that we're driving from these operator summits, of course, right? So now we have all these EtherPads and that's a great opportunity for us to go through there and start coding the information and trying to come, I guess, create like larger themes based on what we're seeing here. What else would you like to add? So, I think one of the things that we do need to do is so we create these EtherPads it's a lot of really rich data but somewhat unstructured. I think one of the things that we can do is start taking that data and I worry that it just sits there and it doesn't do anything and what I'd love to be able to do is as a group sort of say this is what we saw these are the larger themes so we have something to march on. Hello. Thank you for joining us. So what's your take on the operators this week? Well, it's a first for me. It's my first motorcycle meetup so it's interesting to see what happens and to meet other people that might have the same problems the same success also because there's a lot of positive things in the OpenStack community it's really a chance to exchange with a lot of people who run various types of clouds, different usage different sizes so it's interesting and I think it can make things move forward it can help discuss with the developer community and just not the operators inside and the developers on the other side so I think there's a lot of positive things that can come out of this meetup if we can follow up because it's not that you can make everything go much better in OpenStack so I guess it's just a starting point but don't together so it's a pretty positive thing. Thank you so much. Hi, thank you for joining us today I was wondering, could you please share your experience with the Ops mid-cycle in Europe? I think it's a very important meeting for two main reasons one is the EU it's a European-based meeting so Europe has been doing some giant steps forward we enter as our company and the cloud team alliance has been awarded for a EU tender, very important because the EU institutions will be using OpenStack for public services and the other very important reason is because it's very focused on operators operators are that group OpenStack users that cope every day with real life problems and with customers so they are the connecting point between the work of developers and the needs of the users that's why it's so important for us to be here You're welcome. Hi, please share your experience with the European operators mid-cycle. The mid-cycle has been great there have been a lot of really good conversations but in session and out of session the venue has been fantastic we've been able to have just one-on-one get-togethers as well as larger groups both in and out of session as well. So what were some of the key takeaways from the sessions here? How people are operating seems to be very different from something we're used to in the US the regulations seem to call for different policies different procedures somewhat of a different game plan and it seems as more companies attending are closer to Trump which is interesting it's not always the experience that we've had Thank you so much.


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So, but normally, and I got some last week that I was gone and I didn't think about it, but yeah, some of that stuff's pretty interesting, but I don't want to talk about a thing that's a year old, like the GTA five thing. I wouldn't normally put that in the show, right? Because it's old, but we could take one of your emails, put it in the emails and say, Hey, everybody, if you are hearing about this, it just seems to be bubbling back up again. Here's what the story is. Oh yeah. Yeah. Good point. Well, I've learned that you have a good eye for this stuff.  I'm like, that's actually kind of interesting, but I felt like, well, if that's what we're going to do, that's boring or I'm going to, you know, it's just Tom's going to go, well, there's really not much there. And there's a totally something there and you could see it. Yeah. So I got a trust in that, but not just trust anymore. I just needed to say, you know, Hey, what about this? And you would have said, Oh, I was thinking of that and it would have been great. Yep. Well, I bet it worked out. Yeah, it worked out fine. Just Wednesdays are always that weird, like. News hump day. News I'm trying to make that main topic be a little more diverse. Different things in it too. Yeah. It doesn't always have to be on news, I guess it does. Yeah. It doesn't always have to be the same. Like, Hey, Xiaomi introduced a phone, Xiaomi, the money, the money, that own me the money. So all right, y'all ready? Yeah. I'm, I'm as good as ever. Let's do this then. Here we go. I just remembered. Control. Wow. Little Janet Jackson there. Was that how it was? Yeah. Nice. Okay. You've got control. I've got spreadsheet. And here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This, my friends, is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, April 19th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt. The whole reason we do this show is to discuss what all this tech craziness means in your life and who better to share this time with us. And Mr. Scott Johnson back from Vegas. Did you win big? No, I never really gamble much. So I lost big. If you, if you count the fact that I didn't really gamble, but I had really lost, you lost in the way that the music industry loses money by things that didn't happen. That's exactly right. And I lost money by paying too much for food and for services in Vegas that are ridiculously overpriced and all of that's true. But I did have an elevator experience that I wanted to tell you about. This is very short. Okay. Tom and I have talked about elevators before and how sometimes they can be a little freaky. If you get stuck in an elevator, it's kind of a rotten deal. I got to a hotel at about one o'clock in the morning, pushed the hotel button, it opened, went in, hit the floor that we were supposed to go to. It shut and then made a horrible sound and then opened again. And then all the other elevators all opened and stayed that way because of an alarm. Had we been in the elevator, we would have been stuck just two minutes earlier, we would have stuck somewhere between like four, six and seven. And all I could think about was Tom would hate that nightmare, nightmare scenario. Yeah. It was just Kim and I. So I guess it's better than being in there with 10 people. But, um, anyway, near miss, good to be back. Glad that it was a near miss. Very glad I wasn't there because even just that happening would have been like, I'm on the stairs. You guys like, all right, uh, let's, uh, we're going to talk a little bit about Microsoft's replacement for WonderList and our own technology that we use for ordering up our to-do list. But let's start with a few other tech things you should know. Xiaomi introduced its latest flagship phone, the Mi 6 with a Snapdragon 835 processor in it. There's only two other phones with that. One isn't out yet. That's the Sony and the Galaxy S8 is the other, which is much more expensive than the Mi 6. Mi 6 has six gigabytes of RAM, 5.15 inch display and various models with various amounts of storage. Uh, and there's a ceramic version in Chinese money. It's going to sell in China. It ranges from $360 US to $435 US. I've said before, I'll say it again in 10 years, Xiaomi will be a very common name in every household. I don't know where they're going to do it, but it might be beyond cell phones. I'm just saying. I'm, that's my prediction. I'm my most domicing this particular brand. Uh, Blizzard released a patch yesterday for the original Starcraft for the first time in eight years, which is insane and made it free for Windows and Mac OS users. I actually have been following this pretty closely and I know the plan is, uh, probably what I think their plan is anyway, is to get the core code out there in a very patched form running on modern systems, still the old graphics and all of that. But as we know later this summer, they're going to be releasing Starcraft enhanced edition, which is both Starcraft one and brood war, the expansion. And you'll already have the guts of this thing. You'll just download a chunk more and boom, you're off to the races with a enhanced version of a beloved classic. My, uh, in this culture of outrage, I expect that people will complain that it's been eight years since the last patch and complain that they paid for Starcraft and now it's free. Yeah. Terpster said something yesterday, very funny, our mutual friend. He said, I'm really bummed out that they're going to really Starcraft for free. I should have waited 19 years. Uh, Facebook showed off two new 360 degree cameras, the X 24, which has 24 cameras in the X six, which has, wait for it, six cameras. Uh, they both have six degrees of freedom and will be licensed to commercial partners with products to come later this year. We've got lots of top stories. There's still more coming out of F eight. Facebook announced that it's millimeter wave radio technology, which is used to broadcast internet from its ocula drones is now capable of 80 gigabits per second. And in practice, they were able to establish a 16 gigabit per second link between a ground station and a small plane about five miles away. Uh, now there's a gap there, but one is, you know, theoretical maximum and the other is in practice. Facebook is also developing a tethered drone called tether tenna that could hook into fiber connections and then fly out and broadcast a wireless connection in emergency situations. So when, when cell service is down, they just patch in this quadcopter to a fiber line, send it up in the air to start broadcasting your internet. And finally, I'm just going to put all the F eight stuff together. Uh, Facebook's Regina Dugan, who heads the building eight research group. That's the secret lab where all the secret stuff happens gave a talk involving brain computer interfaces. We've talked about those. We talked about the neural lace company that Elon Musk, uh, bought Dugan talked about concepts, not products, but described systems being researched that would allow you to type up to a hundred words per minute with your thoughts. She promised as well, because this is Facebook, no one has the right to decode your silent thoughts. Better get that in the terms of service there, Dugan. And she also said Facebook hopes to show off a system in a few years. So this isn't something we're seeing right away. That's a lot of stuff. Um, I always love these conferences these days because I like the weird things. I like the building eight. I like the weird drone stories. Um, I don't feel like we get any of that from the company that, that I think established the modern press conference and product release conference, which is Apple. They just come out and talk about their products. And I understand there's a pragmatism to that. And let's just get straight to the phones and the iPads and what stores we open. But I love hearing about the weird stuff on the fringes. They're developing new technologies. They've got in the case of Google, they're working on, you know, wearable augmented reality or whatever it is any particular year. And that's the stuff that really drives me in tech these days. And I wonder if we'll ever see Apple or even Amazon or others maybe bend a little bit toward that, like talk more about what they're working on and less about just what you can buy next week at the store. I do like that you turn the Facebook triple story into an Apple story. I did that. No, I wasn't really planning on it. I'll say this though, uh, despite, uh, despite missing most of what the actual conference itself, it is clear, especially from that 360 degree camera stuff and other things that Zuckerberg and others have said during this conference and we'll still yet say, I suppose, that they are really banking on virtual and augmented reality as a future. There's no way. Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's the difference between this is a two day conference, right? So yesterday was the solid practical stuff. Like here's a beta you can test. Here's here's things that are going on. But even then they were pushing out a little bit ahead, not launching a new Facebook newsfeed item at this conference. They were talking about AR. They're talking about virtual reality. And of course today, the one big product with the 360 degree cameras, but that's not even a product they are going to make. So it was a more research oriented day. And I guess the difference between Facebook and Apple is that Facebook has this kind of research oriented, uh, way of doing things that they are making more public. Apple does a lot of research. They do a huge amount of R&D, but they do it in secret and for purposes of making products. Whereas Facebook is doing a lot of things the way alphabet does, where they're like, we're just doing research and seeing where it goes. Yeah. And to their credit, I guess Tim Cook did take cameras and reporters into their, their R&D a little bit, what a couple of months ago, and they showed some of that stuff. They didn't get real specific about what was going on. But, um, maybe they're cracking that open a little bit, but I really like it.  It may end up being just a bright idea that doesn't pan out, but I love being, uh, I guess at the table while they're talking about it and it doesn't feel like it's a bunch of industry secrets. Somebody's going to steal anybody. If you could be working on this right now and probably are. Well, yeah, we know other companies are working. I just mentioned the, uh, the neural lakes people are working on exactly the same thing as that mine computer interface. So yeah, I think what Facebook is trying to do is inspire people to think of them as forward looking, not just a social network. And what they did last year was showed us what a virtual reality chat room would look like, but didn't launch one. And so you could very easily dismiss it as vaporware. This year they came out with spaces. They came out with the virtual reality chat room. So here we go. Maybe, maybe next year we get a little more detail on the mine computer interface. And maybe next year. That augmented reality platform actually has a product attached to it that Facebook is going to be involved with. It does seem like Facebook does not want to make hardware. Uh, every time they, they talk about hardware, it's, it's a design that they are optioning out to somebody else. Sure. Uh, which makes sense. Uh, sources tell Eurogamer.net that Nintendo plans to release a mini version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, the SNES, to launch in time for the holidays this year. Now this is supposedly, a lot of people are pontificating, that this is the reason the NES mini has been discontinued. And I, I know you guys have talked a lot about this, especially with Patrick yesterday. Yeah, I am one of those people who is still upset at Nintendo for not stocking this thing properly, uh, for having such a limited run and now making them completely out of reach at five, $600, which is a ridiculous price point, uh, on auctions and things. Uh, I don't understand it, but I kind of get the idea that if you're going to release a SNES this year, uh, or basically a, you know, a retro SNES that's got, let's let's say 30 games on it, let's assume they follow the same pattern here. That's probably more interesting to them than an NES, uh, essentially an emulator because the Super NES was really kind of where they hit their stride. Um, so I kind of understand it, but also Nintendo is just weird. They should make both of these. They'd sell like hotcakes for the rest of time. Um, I don't know that they knew it was going to be this popular out of the gate, but I'm a little bug that they, that they stopped. So whatever, they're surprised at how popular it is, but there's also a very Nintendo way of doing things that work here, which is we decided that these are the amount that we would make and sell. And when we are done, we will move on to the Super Nintendo mini and we will then make those and sell them and no amount of selling or not selling will change that behavior. We will march forward and that will be what we do. Uh, and I, I kind of hope maybe they decide to put the NES mini back into production after the SNES. Uh, but it does seem very Nintendo like to not switch on a dime like that. They're like, nope, the plan was NES then SNES. We're not going to, not going to change that plan willy-nilly. Yeah. Well, today on the TMS when we were talking, you were on there for your, for your weekly tech segment on the, in the morning and, um, we talked about it and I, I have this, this feeling that there are going to be a number of people. I won't say me necessarily. They're going to be people who are tempted to just finally go get a Raspberry Pi, download some already put together ROM thing and they're just going to finally get their retro nostalgia fix the way that isn't the most legal. And Nintendo, I think just do themselves some favors by having a ton of these in stock, making it a legit product that people pay for and make more money. Like that's, I don't even think it's that many people are going to do that. I think you're right. People will do it, but I don't know that on Nintendo's balance sheet that the number of people who do that instead of buying one of these makes any difference. You're probably right. But I don't know. I'm just frustrated as a user. I really want one. And now it's going to be like, if it's, let's say it's November, it's going to be insane. People lining up or getting ready or, you know, sniping. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Captain Jack 913 just said then after the SNES, the N64 mini, right? If what, if that's the plan is this one, then this one, then this one, and then all three come back.  What's weird though is they have a device on the market now that actually is also hard to get, but they're making more of them called the Nintendo switch. And guess what that thing's capable of? Playing everything you just talked about. That's not that. That's no, no, the nostalgia is having that little thing that looks like the thing you remember. I get it, but I just think they could. Okay, I got it. Here you go.  And it's got N64 on back or maybe even I could go recent if you wanted on GameCube and everything else, but have this kind of retro pack and then go make gangbusters money on selling NES controllers, super NES controllers, little wireless. It's not the same. No, you got to have that little thing. It's like, oh, no, that looks like the thing, the whole point of it. I mean, I can play Atari games on my iPhone, but there's still the people like, oh, no, I want that Atari emulator joystick thing, right? No, it's true. You're right. I guess that's a big part of it. I don't know. I guess we'll see how hard these are to get in November, December. My guess is they're going to be really hard to get because people now know what the pattern is and they're going to rush. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely. Twitch has added two new subscription levels that streamers can offer. Right now you can do 499 a month, but people who subscribe at $10 a month in this new plan will count as two subscribers. People who choose to support a channel at $25 a month would count as six subscribers, meaning that the channels could offer more emotes because they'll have more subscriber count, even though it's just one subscriber. And some of those emotes can be exclusive to those higher level subscribers. New subscriber rolls can also be assigned in the Twitch app, and the new plans will be available as an opt-in beta rolling out to new partner channels on a weekly basis. So if you're not in the Twitch universe, a lot of this may make no sense. Like what do I get for my extra money? I don't understand. But in the Twitch universe, I think this is going to get a few people anyway to up their support. Yeah, spending more time on Twitch lately, like I have been in using the channel more. I have learned to at least start to understand the culture there is very different than other mediums, be it podcasting or YouTube or anything else. It's its own ecosystem. And part of that ecosystem is a value system that's just different. Like they value emotes in a way that you might value shoutouts on a podcast or achievements in a video game system. Very well said. In fact, it probably taps into that. It's a little bit of a gamification of the service. And at first I was like, OK, this is weird. I don't understand why this matters. I think I get it now. And this is great. I mean, this is a chance for for people who are into your channel to to cough up a little bit more. You as a content provider can do more for those individual people. Already, what you see is a lot of sort of, you know, opportunities there for I'm going to let this person play in our next tournament that we're going to play or whatever it happens to be. And this just gives you more of a chance to reward those hired here payers. So by the way, people are like, isn't this going to mess up analytics? Your analytics will still show the number of subscribers. It's just for the purposes of the emotes, as far as I can tell, that you count as more subscribers. Yeah. Alphabets verily is partnering with Duke University. Verily, you say. Yeah, verily, I say. And Stanford to launch Project Baseline at the very bottom, starting with four year study of 10,000 people in order to understand how people go from being healthy to then going to be sick as well as identify risk factors for disease. I went to lunch today at a place that probably is a good representation. They're setting a baseline. That's why the name of the project is exactly right. Participants will wear a smart watch that gathers data as well as do clinical visits, surveys and polls. One hope is to discover new tools for disease prevention. So this is that thing where everyone's like, they'll never be able to do it. It's too complicated to collect health information. They've said it about Apple. They've said it about Google when it was Google Health. And now it's an alphabet company called Verily. But people are doing it. And this is a huge study and it will be interesting to see what comes out of this because there have been we talked about another study earlier this week where they were able to identify risk factors that human analysis couldn't identify with machine learning. So so taking 10,000 people and following them in a longer term study like this to say, OK, you're healthy. The you know, sad to say, but some of you 10,000 people are going to get sick and we want to study how that happens, what may have led to it in order to prevent other people from getting sick. This is super important. It's really cool. What I wish would have happened a long ago when these health initiatives started, when the phones and the devices and the trackers started coming into play. I wish everybody could have come together on some sort of standards committee and said, this is one of those things we need to agree on sort of a standardized data set involved. It may still happen. It may still, yes. But at this point, you've got really interesting data that Apple has and then really interesting data that Google has and then really interesting data that Fitbit has and millions of other companies, well, hundreds of other companies. But none of them can be sort of combined and we can get the larger data picture. So I think until that happens, we're never really going to know. Oh, no, no, we will absolutely will they can do clinically and statistically significant studies. That's what we do now. But I think your point is still well taken, which is imagine what else you might be able to find if you could combine these larger data sets. To me, it's like there's no value in having eight different approaches. In this particular case, there's no. Well, I think of it this way though, right now, there's hundreds and thousands of different approaches that still yield medically valuable information because we didn't even have smartwatch. But I know what you're saying is, man, it could could be even more interesting. Yeah, you could that's all I mean is there was an opportunity there. It's like saying, well, I really like beta, so we're not going to do VHS. I get I understand format wars. I know this isn't quite that, but I don't want to create a false equivalency, but it just seems like a chance to really hit the ground running on something that affects all of us in a way that's more important perhaps than whose format you're using. Baidu wants to hit the ground running with autonomous cars. In fact, they announced Project Apollo, a new open source software and hardware platform to help car manufacturers speed manufacturing of autonomous vehicles. See what I did there? Think Richard Strouffelina wrote this for Daily Tech. Let's speed back with the cars. Anyway, Baidu plans to open the project cars operating in restricted environments in July. So that's the kind of thing where you see it in an office park and it only goes from one place to another. It may be autonomous, but but it doesn't have an open road that it has to navigate. That happens by July. They're going to expand to urban road conditions by the end of 2017. That's more along the lines of what Uber and Google have been doing or Waymo now. The company plans to gradually expand self-driving features to allow for autonomous operation on all streets by 2020 and Baidu wants to bring its own self-driving car to market by 2018. So it's an interesting approach where Baidu Chinese company has set up a bunch of R&D in Silicon Valley here in the U.S. researching AI, researching autonomous cars and trying to get as many people on its platform to be able to learn from them, which is a common theme amongst a lot of these companies and and setting an aggressive timeline to bring autonomous cars to market. Yep. And Jaumei will be the first car you can buy. I'm telling you, man. No, I don't think so. I disagree with you on that one. I don't think it's going to be a Jaumei car. It's going to happen.  There you go. Good point. And it'll be a half a fast chip in it when no one expected it to. Right. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines in each day, I just alluded to daily tech headlines. You can get it around five minutes. Subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. So the other thing that happened today, Microsoft's successor to Wunderlist, codenamed Project Cheshire, and officially named Microsoft to do because that's how Microsoft names things still, isn't it cute? Is available for public testing for iPhone, Android phones, Windows 10, Windows 10 mobile, and the web. Users only need a Microsoft account. You don't have to be an Office 365 or an Office 360 subscriber, I mean. You can try out to do right now just with your Microsoft account. It'll integrate with Outlook tasks, but not Wunderlist. And Microsoft has given some soft reasons as to why, but it's a little weird that they didn't just take Wunderlist and make it this probably because Wunderlist wasn't built on the Office platform. So there you go. Microsoft does have an importer tool, though, so you can transfer your tasks from Wunderlist to to do. Wunderlist will eventually be retired. So if you are a Wunderlist user, you might want to do that if you want to keep using your Wunderlist list. I use Wunderlist for a while, way back, but I stopped using it at one point and I have my own cobbled together system, which I will describe to you a little bit here. In fact, I intend to describe it in more detail on the weekly Patreon update that I'll put out on Thursday. But Scott, have you used Wunderlist? Are you attracted to to do? What's your to-do regime? So I feel like I've tried every to-do app, web-based thing, phone-based thing, operating system-based thing that there is, and lots of other sort of weird sub-methods as well. In fact, not long ago, well, actually it's been a while now, you had turned me onto the idea of notational velocity and quick text entry and searching, and that led to me finding some other alternatives to that, as well as some stuff that was more cross-platform. And for a long, long time, I used things by cultured software or cultured code, rather. And I loved things in terms of its adherence to the getting things done method and it being very good at that, like really focusing on idea and task capturing, processing, and then getting the stuff done with a few little, you know, things thrown in for scheduling and, you know, recurring to-dos and that sort of stuff. And they always did an amazing job and I always loved it. But what ended up happening with me is I'll get way behind on to-dos and in my mind is because the process isn't as good as it needs to be and it's not me. It's not me, it's it's it, right? It's the software. That software is putting too many things on my list. So I keep trying new things. I tried Wunderlist for a very long time. Wunderlist to me was like, oh, this is great. This is a cross-platform version of what I was getting out of things. And this is around the time they all started including some sort of cloud save so you could just sync across devices. And there's a very, things uses a very elegant one, but things is strictly a Mac and iOS platform. I can't use it on my Windows PC or my Windows notebook. And there's no web client for it. So it's very much in the ecosystem of Apple products, which I use a lot of, but I also use other stuff. So I would love on my Chrome book or my Windows laptop or something to be able to hop into that. So Wunderlist was that for me for a while. And then I moved to this notational velocity idea. And I've used that pretty consistently up to this point. But just two days ago, I went back to things. Partially because somebody queued me in and said, hey, they're working on a version three, you should see it's got some nice new features and everything. So I started checking that out. And I went, oh, I kind of missed this and this. I think I may go play with that again, fired it up. It was like wearing old shoes. It was comfortable and great. And now I'm back to using that again. But I wonder what that is. Like there's nothing about this announcement. That makes me go, oh, Microsoft's got what it takes to give me the perfect solution. I don't use Office at all. Yeah. And I can't stand Google's to do stuff, task list management stuff. I hate it. So they don't have a good solution for what's working with docs. And I don't really care about the integration with Office. I think what I'm looking for is just simplicity. And the truth is, I've already got it. I think things is the one. I really do. I feel really strongly about that software, but it's single platform focused. Well, that's my that's what kills it for me. Right. I actually like things. I tried it once, but couldn't use it on Malinix laptop. You know, like that's that's a problem. So over the years, I have ended up with this was probably going to sound like an insane system to people. But for me, it works. I actually stopped using notational velocity particularly. And I just I just use simple note, which is what I was thinking notational velocity to anyway. And simple note is cross platform. It's got a web version. So I use simple note for the note taking part of it. But I don't even use it for tasks that much. I pretty much use calendar. I put an all day event for tasks. And there's only two kinds of tasks I usually have. One is a thing that has to be done today. Like today, I need to send a reminder to Scott that he's going to be on the show tomorrow. I have a room, you know, send DTNS reminder every day Monday through Friday to remind the person who's going to be on the next day or to alert a guest or something like that. And then I have the could be done today, could be done tomorrow. And so those are ones where if I don't get to it in the day, I just move it to the next day. And those are all day events on Google Calendar. The reason it's on Google Calendar is that I can use Google Calendar with iCal. I can use it on my Android phones. I can use it on the web. So it's everywhere I need to be. And then I actually schedule certain things that need to take up time. So going for a run, for instance, isn't just an all day reminder task. That that's a thing I want to do four times a week. But I schedule it out of time so that when I'm going in and scheduling the day and people are asking for meetings or special appearances, I can then move that run around. And I don't end up scheduling all the time and I don't have time left for the run. That's interesting. So you so let me ask you this for completion management, because that turns out to be important for me. And I did my notational velocity system was tied to my calendar pretty heavily. In other words, like tasks where I knew they were more task oriented, like, here's the thing I need to complete and they weren't so much time sensitive or needed a block of time. I would do those notational and then I would jump to calendar when it came to again, like you're saying daily reminders or things that I've got to do that day or whatever, and they can either be timed or they can be all day events. When you're done, though, yeah, you do just to lead them. Yeah. OK, and I I don't know how this has happened. I'm not sure if it's replicable, but every time a delete one, I feel good. Like, yeah, clear enough, clearing up space on that calendar. Looking good, right? And in fact, sometimes, like, I'll be in the midst of doing a Spanish lesson, right? And I'll delete it before I'm done. And then I feel let down when I'm done with it because I'm like, oh, I already deleted it. She's made it. Like, it's definitely I've definitely hacked my brain to see deleting something off that calendar as a big reward. Yeah, I guess I am getting that out of things. And wonderless users are probably getting that because you can, you know, check something off and it goes to a completed area. The problem I run into is later somebody says, hey, did you do that that time? And I go, oh, I think I did. And it's not a thing I can easily look at something else and say, oh, there's proof that I did it or whatever. Yeah, right. That's true. I don't keep a record in that case. Well, but see, that's maybe where this is where all this comes down and gets interesting. I feel like there is no such thing. Is it is there's no perfect solution? Like maybe maybe our efforts to find one will never be. It's just that one works for me. But I think that's the that's the biggest problem is everybody works a little differently. So what works for me might give some hints to somebody else for a system that works for them. But I don't think you could just take my system and give it to anyone else and it would work perfectly for them. Yeah, you can't go. Well, maybe you could. But if you went and made a book called Tom Merritt's Time Management, yeah, Unquick or whatever, it's not going to be a fits all glove type thing. There's no way it's going to be. So my combination of calendar, things, Slack, emails, specifically Google inbox, let's me like snooze an email to the next day. Yeah. That I do for things probably works well for me. I keep notes and notational velocity, the things I just have to remember long term. So kind of got just an old file full of tons of notes. That's what I use that for. And it totally works for me. But I'm guessing if I ask the next guy what works for him, he'd say, oh, I just do a reminder on my phone and it beeps at me and then I go do it like. And I I know getting things done says you should never leave email in as a to-do list. I generally keep my inbox empty, but I will leave some things in there rather than turn them into into items on my calendar. For instance, I've got to print up all of our new dog raise vaccination docs. I didn't make a task for that. I just left the email from Eileen with all the attachments there in my email, which is, you know, I try not to do that very often, though, but that's like a weakness. That's kind of a soft bit. There's there's also moments like, I don't know, the to-do is actually the answer to the email, but I don't have the answer yet because I need to hear from somebody else. So me snoozing it to the next morning. Yeah. Is what I'll try to do with those kind is I'll either leave them in the inbox or I will make a task. I'll archive it and make a task on on my calendar that says answer Scott's email. Yeah. So that works, too. I just wonder, I'll bet you get a ton of feedback on this.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably a bunch of stuff to cherry pick from listeners and combine with what we just tell you right now. We aren't going to read all of your emails on the show because, like I said, not everybody's system works for everybody, but we'll try to read some interesting samples. If we I am, I will use to do like I want to see what Microsoft got up their sleeve and I want to see how much I can use it independently from their other projects or their other stuff. If it if it works well and it's cross platform and I can get to it anywhere. I mean, maybe they're the ones. I just every time one of these comes out, it always pings me in the head and says, All right, what are you doing? And I have to reevaluate. Yeah. And like I said, I will write up more details about the system I use, like I have a different angle on things for groceries. I use a different app for that. If you are a Patreon subscriber at the $5 a month level, that's 25 cents a show, you will get that in your Patreon inbox. So if you are at that level, make sure that you check and that you're allowing the emails to come so you can get that. Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Few messages of the day to get through real quick. Alan Char wrote in and pointed out that the Android open source project is only open source in the sense that its source code is open, which is really all that open source ever means. But Google still closely controls the development and rarely if ever takes significant changes from outside. If a company wants to make a significant contribution to the Android open source project, they have to fork it with little hope that it the contribution would roll back into the main project. So AOSP is open source access, not open source development, and we often conflate the two. But most projects that we think of as open source, Mozilla, Apache and Linux are open source development, not merely open source access. No, interesting. You don't usually get that different differentiation. So I really appreciate that. Alan, I never think about that. Thank you, Alan. And Marko had some thoughts that he called in about the video games becoming part of the Asian games, according to the Asian Olympic Committee and our speculation yesterday that maybe this would end up leading them to become Olympic events. Tom and Patrick, this is Marko from rainy and beautiful Salt Lake City. I wanted to comment on the possibility of video games getting to the Olympics. It made me think of, you know, Patrick mentioned how quickly games go in and out of fashion. And my thoughts were that I would think that having that setup would make it so that classic games, I'm thinking, for example, Street Fighter 2 or something along those lines would then become a staple and that maybe there would be certain games in the Olympics that would be the brand new one. But then there might be some staple games that are pretty classic. I don't know, maybe Tetris or even what's the Atari one with tanks. But anyway, I just thought that would be really interesting. Love the show, guys. Thanks. Thank you, Marko. I kind of like that. It's kind of like the old fashion ice skating with the fast track ice skating. Yeah. No, I'd love that. I mean, you kidding me? This would be amazing. Pax does something like this with their, oh, I forgot what it's called. But it's at the end of the show, they do this thing where it's one weird video game after another and it's completely random. And in their case, it may be Tetris and the next game you play is some triple A game that came out this year.  And they'll play and play and play and it's super cool. And there's a big thing at the end. I love the idea period, though, of more of this stuff being introduced as quote unquote eSports. It doesn't all have to be MOBAs and shooters. It can be a broad range of old games, new games and whatever. And I would play Atari's combat with somebody right now for money. That'd be awesome. Or surprises. You hear that, folks? Throw your buddy at Scott Johnson. He'll play combat with you right now. Combat was awesome. In fact, it may have been the only good game on the Atari 2600. There I said it. Oh, my gosh, we don't have time to get into that. Jeff Steinauer wrote in and said, please see the following link for a University of Wisconsin-Madison project to archive podcasts. And we've got a link to it there. It is a project to preserve podcasts. Now, granted, archive.org, the Internet Archive also does this, but it does it as a part of its wider effort to just preserve the Internet's information. It's interesting to see this project focus specifically on saving podcasts. Very cool. I've got over 6,000 files if they'd like them. Yeah, there you go. Get in touch with the UW Madison folks. Hey, thank you, Scott Johnson, for getting in touch with us today. Good to have you back. What else is going on to tell folks about? Well, we keep talking about the Swiss channel. People would like to see what I have going on Twitch. There's some art. There's some gaming. 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But good show. What should we call it? Yeah, it was really good. What do you got there, Roger? Oh, Roger had to log off. He'll be back in a second here. Good thing that happens. So title wise, Mr. Chang. Nintentional scarcity. Nintentional scarcity. Not bad. Our elevator didn't go to the top floor. Losing big in Vegas. Starcraft time dilation patch. Facebook facing forward. Which ups their subscription cheers up yours. You know what I love? I don't know. Is this only happened on Wednesdays where a lot of the title suggestions are just dumb stuff? No, it happens. It happens other times, too. There's a fate of the curious.  Yeah, I feel like I mean, that's still good. But I feel like we kind of we spent our fate capital yesterday. R2 to do. What? The number or the letter R the number two to do. I don't get it. R2 to do. So it's like R2D to R2. That's sorry. Sorry, Shane, we get it now. We're done. We're a little slow. Losing big in Vegas. Should have been 19 years. Those are Starcraft's a new patch. I don't know. I like the intentional scarcity. Much to do about to do's. Throw your money at Scott Johnson. Only if they're hat dollars. Well, I don't need more votes for that, guys. I mean, it's fine. Throw your money at Scott Johnson. Much to do about to do. I wish there was another to do one, but I'm not seeing one. I should have waited 19 years. That's funny. To do hit the right button. Much to do about apping. I'm cool with the intentional scarcity. That one's really phrased. Let's do it. Do it. Do it live to do it. Do it like this. Well, do it live. So. Who's going to hire him? Do you think I think he's going to do his own thing? I'll bet you. Oh, he's going to go Glenn Beckett.  It's Glenn Beck. Oh, you mean do like Glenn Beck and do his own. I thought Glenn Beck it. I was I was using because as a verb. Yeah, I think that's entirely possible. Yeah. Well, so what would he call it? No spin zone. I guess that that might be trademarked. Yeah, he's probably have to call it the. The O'Reilly factor. The O'Reilly. Maybe he'll just release a series of books on politics. So O'Reilly books will just be O'Reilly books. And it gets sued by the O'Reilly press. That'd be funny. I don't know what he 87 says or just retire and live off the book money. Well, yeah, he could just stop doing everything you want. But he he craves that. He he needs it. No, he's one of those guys. He has to be out in front of it. He will. He will probably do something with the blaze. What if he goes inside edition? That'd be cool. Is what? Just an anchor? Yeah, just sitting there on that show again in the 80s. You wouldn't believe what happens to particulars. Yeah, man, go back to your roots. I don't think any big networks going to want to court that controversy right now. I can't think. I mean, unless your info wars or Brett Bart or somebody like that, you know, yeah, yeah. I don't think info wars doesn't look like an old Western character, Brett. Yeah, you know, Bart, he's out to get you. He's coming to the ranch. Like, I'll Brett Bart. I don't think you're for worse. I think that's a little too tinfoil for even O'Reilly. Oh, yeah, there's no way with him with what's his name in court telling people it's all an act anyway. It's things are weird.  Brett Hart. Yeah, Brett Hart.  Done. What if he shows up at a comic con and like the little hallway of Hasbens where people just signed, you know, glossy photos? That's so mean. All the way of Hasbens. Oh, sad. I love the the autograph alley because you get to see all these people who are like, oh, I forgot all about the person. Look, it's it's Ted DiBiase. He's flinky from like, you know, 1984 or 85. That's John Delancey Q from Star Trek wouldn't sign a photo of him because I was a dollar short of 40 bucks. Shane says he used to write the promo teases for O'Reilly's Inside Edition. No way. Coming up. Coming up. This woman lives. Did it include how was he included in his ire when he said, all right, it will do it live effort. I don't know. Oh, no say. That's pretty intense. But he was a dude. So it's fine. That's terrible. You know what? Listen, I'm not not the Bill O'Reilly doesn't deserve a little heat for that. But if I'm just saying, if you have you're going to get out your shovel or you're going to start digging yourself into all of this happen to be female and you're going to go try to get a job at his new joint. I just just be careful. All right, because apparently he's got I don't think they need you to mansplain that to me. No, I just need you to just remember it. Remember what's happening now.  I think they'll be fine. I don't think they'll be that provider. Frankly, maybe he might make a run for office. Oh, that's interesting. That's intriguing. Yes. I can totally see him being a mayor of like some retired retirement community.  It's no longer. It's no longer the scarlet letter. Yeah. She wrote UFOs in Houston tonight on hard copy. A show called The Spin Zone and go the total opposite and just spin everything. Oh, yeah. It's the no spin zone. Yeah. The totally spin zone.  He can just start up, take the money he has and just start up a chain of laundromats called the spin zone. Oh, that's good. Yeah. And they could there could be it could be like a what's that? What's the place with all the video games, the restaurant, except for laundromats? Oh, Busters. Yeah, it's like David Busters, but for laundromats. Oh, that'd be awesome. The spin zone. The funnest time with laundry you'll ever have. You may have found me super hipster, but it'll be ironic because it's a guy from Fox News running it. Exactly. They have found a way for me to be interested in what he's doing next. It's like Brooklyn hipster is wearing a President Bush shirt because they were being ironic. But this is the other Bush is dead. It's the cool Bush. He's one of my favorite hot lines from MC Lars else. L train girl. If anyone I know you're wearing that President Bush shirt ironically, but it makes you look like a hardcore fascist. I like your rendition a little more, to be honest. Thank you. Pretty good. My L train girl impression has always been spot on. Hey, I've never been on an L train, so I wouldn't know. I have taken the L train. Actually, I was very excited when I took it because I knew the song. That's a Chicago. I mean, right? Oh, no, it's Brooklyn train. What is Chicago? So you think the L I'm saying the train that is named with the letter L, you're thinking a line elevated, which they call the L for short Chicago. Absolutely. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. And it was dirty because it's exposed to the elements. Yeah, I've been on the L before. And then then I when I, you know, when I Chicago was probably the first time I ever rode a subway. And then when I went to other towns as and and found out that some of their subways are also above ground, I was like, oh, why does Chicago feel like it's so special? Did you get up there all the time because you were in the state or no, I didn't get up there till I went to college actually. We rarely we never drove. My dad did not. He had nothing but disdain for Chicago and the way they dominated Illinois politics. And I think they're everything and their pizzas. Ridiculous. So I didn't get up there till I was freshman in college and then I went up there a lot. Yeah. Ridiculous pizza. It's so deep in the dish. Yeah. We have a cracker, cracker crust pizza like God intended down here in southern Illinois. Oh, that sounds all right. I do love me a cracker crust pizza. I'm not going to lie. I don't think I've ever had one. I've heard of it before, but I would love that, I think sounds like my kind of thing. I love Chicago style pizza. That's they're different. Yeah, you can love different styles of pizza. It's a casual. I know this is anathema and I know Shane just going to like rage quit the chat room when I say this, as will several other New Yorkers, but. Not that big on New York style pizza. Oh, I love New York style pizza. I'm just like it's fine. I love it. I love it. It's great. It's delicious. It's all right. I agree with Roger. Also, I agree with Roger that Chicago pizza is a little like a casserole. It's just a casserole. No, I love me a casserole. That's why I love Chicago style pizza. And you said to me, do you want casserole and said, hey, it'll be pizza. I'll say, oh, that sounds really good. Like on the other end of it. I'm just watching. I mean, I like it. It's just not right. Like, you know, until until actually got to New York, I never really had like, like authentic, quote unquote, New York style pizza. But, you know, it's like crazy good and it's so cheap. So it's really good for the for the buck for the dollar. Yeah. I feel like I'm catching a theme here with Roger, who didn't like the toaster oven sandwiches because they were so expensive. You're you're the flavor of food is highly influenced by its cost. Yes. I you know what? If someone if someone gives you a very mediocre, I don't know, hamburger, but you paid like a nickel for like a 50 cents for it. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's perfectly clean. It's just, you know, just tastes very bland. It's whatever. 50 cents. Great. So we're trying to offer you that same burger for like $15. It's like, no. Horrible. Horrible. It's but no, I do like I especially like the cornmeal crust with. Hmm. With the Chicago style. Yeah. That's not a big fan of California pizza. I don't. Well, you know, what? What are the places here? But like, there is no California pizza like style. I mean, California pizza kitchen would try to make you believe. Yeah. That's the one thing. That's that kind of. So this is the thing that always creeps me out that, you know, every time I used to go to Manhattan, I would always run into a Domino's or a California pizza kitchen or it's like, really? It's like in the middle, like uptown of. Because there are tourists who would feel comfortable. Yeah. They're all over the place here. Tons of them. There's not there. California style of food is basically Mexican or Asian. There's not a lot of Italian style. Well, it depends. There's some North Beach stuff, I guess. But that feels like it's very similar to what you would get in the East Coast. I think I think really it was the diffusion that really kind of defined California California cuisine. Yeah. It was like the French Laundry and stuff like that really just spun out. New. New methods. I got really upset that I could not wash my socks at the French Laundry Oats. Yeah. Boston advertising glass water. How can they get away with this? Yes.  I was picturing one with a crust made from saltine. You are correct. Yeah. I'm a thin crust guy. But there's different kinds of thin crust. The ones I like are anything that's just not thick. I just don't like big. I I generally don't like thick crust unless it's Chicago style. Yeah.  I mean, isn't it that? Oh, since they're living. Lutus. I was having. Once I was Detroit. Detroit style. Style. Which is like a square pizza. Oh, OK. It's a square pizza. Style is. Remember. Detroit. Wait. That's where Domino's is from. Oh, really? It's from Michigan anyway. All right, folks, thank you so much for joining us. We hope you've enjoyed today's discussion of food as a sandwich around a discussion of tech. And we will do it again tomorrow with Justin Romery and. Cheers.


Hello and welcome to the session. Let us discuss the following question. It says the diameter of the moon is approximately one fourth of the diameter of the earth. Find the ratio of their surface areas. Now we know that earth and moon are in the shape of sphere. So we need to know the formula for the surface area of sphere. It is 4 pi r square where r is the radius of the sphere. So this is the key idea. Let us now move on to the solution. The diameter of earth be d and we are given that the diameter of moon is one fourth of the diameter of the earth. That is diameter of moon is one fourth of d that is d by 4. We know that radius is half of the diameter. So the radius of the diameter that is d by 2 of the diameter of moon that is half of d by 4 which is equal to d by 8. Now we need to find the surface areas of moon and earth. So we first find surface area of moon. The formula for surface area of sphere is 4 pi r square where r is the radius. So the surface area of moon is 4 pi here r is d by 8. So 4 pi into d by 8 square. So it is equal to 4 pi into d square upon 64. Now we find the surface area of the radius of earth is d by 2. So the surface area of earth is 4 pi into d by 2 square which is equal to 4 pi into d square by 4. Now we find the ratio of the surface areas of moon is to the surface area of equal to 4 pi into d square upon 64 upon into d square upon 4. 4 pi gets cancelled with 4 pi and we have d square upon 64 upon d square upon 4 which is equal to d square upon 64 into 4 upon d square. d square gets cancelled with d square. We have 4 upon 64 which is equal to 1 upon 16. So the ratio is 1 is to 16. Hence the ratio of surface areas of earth and moon is 1 is to 16. So that's all for the session. Goodbye and take care.


It could happen, but let's hold our horses a little bit. Yeah, this feels like a dream. Shout out to Graven. Dude, team keep it clean. What's going on is in Graven here with another video. And in this video, I've been seeing a lot of people get excited, man. Been seeing a lot of people get excited all over Twitter. Oh, man, it's going down this week. It's happening this week. Graven's about to sign Todd Gurley this week. Oh, we about to have a loaded backfield. Let's get it. And the hype is cool. The excitement is cool, but at the same time, I just can't get hyped over that. Not that I wouldn't be excited of the thought of having a Todd Gurley in the backfield with a JK Dobbins and a Gus Edwards and a Justice Hill. Like, those are your options. Todd Gurley would be a third option at running back for the Ravens, like, what? And if he can be even half as good as he once was, even last year, he wasn't bad last year now. He wasn't bad with the Falcons. But even if he can be just, he doesn't have to be the Todd Gurley of old. Because again, he would not be the starter. He wouldn't even be the second, like, to have Todd Gurley as your third string running back. Do you, like, listen to that? That would be a beautiful thing. And this guy, like, he's still, I believe he's, like, 27 years old.  He's still crazy young. And then I know it just, it makes a lot of sense for the Ravens to sign a Todd Gurley. Not even just because he's from the crib, but because the Ravens run the ball so much. And now with the NFL adding an extra game. Now, it ain't just 16, it's 17 games. Injuries happen, wear and tear happen, fatigue happens. People get tired. So to add him and somebody that's good at catching passes out of the backfield, something that the running backs, we expect them to be a little more involved in this year. Somebody that can do all those things. Like, it makes all the sense in the world on paper. But the reason why I'm not getting my hopes up is because of the source where it's coming from. I know NFL Update 247, they tweeted it on Sunday. Sunday morning, they tweeted it. I know some people sent it to me via DM or some people tweeted it to me. And I know a lot of Ravens fan just talked about it in general. Oh man, it's about to go down. It's about to happen. But I can't get excited about it because I'm not familiar with the source where all this stuff is coming from. So I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm not because, and it's no offense to them. I don't know NFL Update 247. I don't know who runs the account. I don't know who it is. I don't know what if they have sources or if they don't have sources, they can hop onto it and just make something up one day. And just because they got a certain amount of followers, then people could be like, oh yeah, let's go, let's get it. Especially with it being slow season. A lot of people just, they bite at anything, they bite at it. They're like, ooh, NFL News, okay, give me that. They bite at it quick. But, and again, they could be credible. They could be credible, but I don't know their track record at all. I don't know their track record. So I'm not gonna get on here and be like, oh yeah, we about to get Todd Gurley this week. If it happens, okay, cool. I'm with it, but my expectations for it happening based off of this account are very low. And I think yours should be too. Now I can't tell you what to think and I'm not gonna tell you how to feel and I'm not gonna tell you to not be excited but just think about it. Think about where it's coming from. And like I said, I don't know that track record. So I don't know if they've broken any news before. I don't know. But I just, yeah, I'm not gonna be on here going crazy over that, from that. Now if it came from like the Ian, and I know not everybody's on the Ian Rappaport and Adam Shifter and Mike Garofalo, I know not everybody's on their level. There are some people, some reporters and whatnot who will break stuff prior to those guys. They're not the only people who connect. They're not the only people that's plugged in. But I just, I would have to see it from somebody that has more credibility than that account. So again, it's not a shadow to account. I just, I'm naive to what their track record is. That's all it is. But again, Todd Gurley, it makes sense now. It does make sense. Todd Gurley to the Ravens, it would be a nice little match. So, and again, like I said before, when this whole, when Todd Gurley first visited with the Ravens, I do not think that he poses a threat to Justice Hill's spot on the roster whatsoever. I do not at all. I don't. Because again, Justice Hill, he plays some special teams. Todd Gurley ain't gonna give you special teams. He's not. He's not a special teamer. He would be, to me, honestly, he would really be a luxury for the Ravens. He wouldn't be a necessity. He'll be a luxury, but it'd be a nice luxury to have. And that nice luxury could end up being beneficial in the long run. But I think Justice Hill would be safe, even if the Ravens signed to Todd Gurley. Because special teams is very important. And Justice Hill, he plays both ways on special teams. Receiving, if the Ravens are receiving the ball, then he could be a returner. The Ravens are kicking off the ball, punting the ball. He'll be a gunner. He'll go make some special teams tackle. We done seen it. We done seen that 43-stop people on special teams, man. So Justice Hill, you should be good to go. Well, good to stay, not good to go. You should be good to stay, in my opinion. But we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. And we'll see if this thing does end up picking up any steam throughout the week. We'll see if anything goes down because again, Monday's gonna come. Tuesday might come, and then Wednesday, and then Thursday, then Friday. And if Todd Gurley ain't signed, people gonna be looking like, hey, so NFL Update 247, their credibility is on the line. It's on the line. And we've seen all these different accounts say this and say that. And one thing, I forgot where I saw that, but it was something recently where it said, it could take forever to gain credibility. It can take forever. And this is not just credibility in the sports world. This is just period. And this could be with somebody really trusting you, somebody really trusting your word. It can take forever for somebody to trust you. But once they trust you, they trust you. They like, okay, cool, okay, you're good, you're good. It could take a long time to build that up, but a second to break it, a second to break it. And once it's broken, if somebody is even willing to give you their trust again, it all depends on the person. But if they're even willing to give you their trust again, that can take even longer to build it back up. Especially since that you had their trust before, but you're broken. So with NFL Update 247, hey, no pressure, no pressure at all. So we'll see how this whole thing works itself out. And if Todd Gurley does sign with the Ravens this week, hey, you already know, we give you your credit for sure. We give you the credit and be like, hey, NFL 247, they said it, they said it. But if not, you know the Ravens fans, they don't play. They don't play. And if you mess around and you give some wrong information to them, oh, Ravens fans, don't forget. And especially now at the time of the season that it, or the time of the off season that it is, and it'd be an extra slow season, a lot of fans are on edge. They're on edge and they like, they looking for anything. Anything. And if it's incorrect or false information, yeah, you already know they're gonna come for you. Anyway, Team Keep It Clean, love y'all. I appreciate y'all and we out.


Now we're going to get it a little bit more creative, kind of like a thermal paint brush. It's kind of fun watching the color progression from light blue to almost gray and then the yellow and then the pink and then we get this beautiful green if we get it just right and see if we can make some happy little trees capable of very precisely adding little bits of color.