on around courthouse square that's probably where we'd also put those resources forward to okay great because i i know that that was one of the the options for courthouse square there was kind of value engineered out and you know um sort of bringing those because that's some of the feedback that i've heard of the access to downtown as families in particular so um great and then i love all the the road diets and the bike and pedestrian improvements i think that's going to be really important um as in in terms of the village center's alternative um i i do worry it's nice to have uh create neighborhood identities but um i would worry about um fragmenting you know sort of a smaller downtown in like as a whole so um i would um i would be interested to see in the if that becomes a more preferred alternative to see how those are going to be connected um and if you know how separate they're going to be now connected they are also um so the fragmentation is a worry um and uh yeah and i think um our community member that brought up um kind of the annexing more space from cars with parklets and outdoor dining and things like that is something that's really worthwhile bringing in that is also part of that road dieting as well um to make things more uh bike and pedestrian friendly and to really uh in some ways de car or de emphasize the car in downtown um as much as possible um i think that out of any alternative it seems like you guys are going with that but this really needs to be emphasized so look forward to the next one all right thank you Eric Patrick thanks for looping out to us i do have a few questions can you go to this first one's the process if you can go back to this santa rosa downtown station area plan community engagement process slide so the very first meeting on the bottom was the stakeholder interviews and that i'm assuming those were the interviews with developers project managers etc correct so what concerns me is i don't see us looping back out to them as we flush out different ideas unless i'm missing it in a different component i think that's a that's a valid observation uh i think it's key uh you know if we develop a plan whatever that may be i think there needs to be a few more loop outlets because they're a major stakeholder because they're the ones that you want developing those projects and if we develop this plan and we think it's great but we haven't looped out to the stakeholder as to whether or not they're going to that works for them or pencils out for them it's a lot of work to waste so i i i think you know i'm not sure how the contract reads with diet and but he but but i can't pronounce the name but i think you need to loop back out i know that my constituents and with the developers they're disappointed because many of them were not touched so we already had that in the beginning and now i don't see anything in that process for them to be provide input and i think they're an important stakeholder there's many important stakeholders but there's certainly one of them so i'd encourage us to do that um the there's some conflicting options in here you know one of them is reconnecting fourth street having that connect back and forth which may or may not work part of the problem is fourth street is already real narrow very slow to traverse via vehicles so you know if we want to take rid of get rid of cars make a more pedestrian friendly something like downtown austin i forget the name of the street has a whole basically our fourth street that's all closed so it's outdoor dining pedestrian area shops etc so maybe that's something something we should look at if we're looking at connecting it for vehicle traffic fourth street is really narrow it moves very slowly and i don't think we'd get the gain out of it i don't i saw in here an option was a skate park can you explain to me the the benefit to that i'm trying to understand that one we actually have had feedback from some of our youth engagement as well that they'd like to see a skate park in the downtown but the the thinking with that that option was um types of land uses that are going to activate the the underpass spaces so um escape park is is an example of a recreational area that would draw people to that area and also create more kind of eyes on the street while while serving that need for having more things to do especially youth oriented things to do in the downtown yeah and and i i my personal opinion experience is uh getting youth engaged in having areas for them i think is important i think escape park is a is a poor choice we have skate parks here in multiple cities in santa rosa or in santa rosa and multiple cities in the county uh they don't generate any income for surrounding businesses uh they there's a lot of graffiti that's associated with that that spreads to the surrounding areas and again may thwart some development downtown uh so while i think attracting and engaging youth activities i think is a great idea the skateboard park is probably not the best option um for that you know the the trolley is certainly an interesting concept uh windsor's having a tough time with their trolley uh and getting that off the ground and making that successful and trying to move people from one part of town to the next so you know before we head down that path maybe look at where um where where the trolley uh works and where it doesn't and why because that's certainly a very expensive venture for the city even if it's a private public partnership so and again i really encourage us to loop back out to those stakeholders those developers and rather than creating a plan and hoping they come let's create a plan with the developers to make it work thank you thanks and if i could just make a comment in response to that uh while we do have a set scope with our um with our our consultant group we as staff also are are free to to engage in in any kind of outreach and engagement that that we think would would benefit the plan as well so so these suggestions don't don't hold back if it's not something that's already in the scope so just like that we do want to hear those those other opportunities for for making the plan the highest quality can be thank you eric drew so uh i was looking at the three hundred and seventy page report that you put together patrick i guess uh with your team so kudos to you big document but i think what fascinates me about this during your presentation was the 63 percent of downtown workers commute from outside san aroza that blew my mind um like because i live in the jc and i work downtown so for me i'm like that's five minutes you know whatever if it's 20 minutes if i decide to walk or what have you but that piece i is is crazy to me and i i wonder i mean it's it's it strikes me as like a san francisco number right you know 75 percent of people who work in downtown san francisco commute from out you know that seems like a san francisco number it was really surprising that it was it's a san aroza number to me given our demographics and our size and kind of all those things um yeah um so i'm wondering how we tilt the scale right and so the the questions on the height for buildings i think what's interesting um in in our profession in the architecture profession what we've been hearing from developers for i don't know last couple years would you say is that um it doesn't pencil right we hear that a lot from them about you know this many units or this height or what have you um and it seems to me that the most the most uh common type of residential development that we've both seen here at design review board but also that developers have directed us to pursue is a two-story concrete podium with three or four stories above in wood construction because that's the economical way right to develop uh in their mind so i'm wondering you know that's not necessarily the most dense way to develop right because that limits you to three or four stories of housing and then potentially two stories of support services for the housing or potentially retail or something else so what is the breaking point from a city standpoint that would encourage different development in a different building typology that would that would actually quote unquote pencil right is it impact fees is it partnerships you know is it public private partnerships that have seen a lot of success in other parts of the country lately is it you know some kind of density swap or something i i don't know the answer i'm just i'm trying to ask you know what why is it that we have so many people who commute to downtown we have elements that are heavily impactful as part of our downtown right the markets seem to be pretty well attended right uh the planning release is ridiculous i remember you guys did a study in 2015 and 2016 and then i think there's another study that got done here for the economic impact of that particular event so it's it's it's not like we don't have things going for us in downtown Santa Rosa and different places that i've lived have seen ebbs and flows of their downtown as well related to business services and what's present and available and a lot of the resurgence that i'm familiar with in particularly the southeast where i've moved here from was the reintegration of a performing arts center into the downtown that completely blew up their downtown development in one instance it was coupled with also a university bringing housing downtown as well so obviously it would require you know like sonoma state or something to have a santa rosa campus which could be interesting right but there's a lot of opportunity there i think for both housing and services related to higher education that could be integrated um but i like i like the ideas of of kind of the buffet of options you have right now i really don't know the best answer but it seems like there are a lot of different options on the table to invigorate development and connectivity and opportunity seem to be the two largest recurring themes in the three options that you've presented right because who doesn't want to just park their car and walk around all day or who doesn't want to ride their bike i mean at least that's i maybe not everybody but um that's definitely beneficial for me uh i would walk my kids you know around hang out go to dinner whatever if it was all much more multimodal multimodal like you talked about so those are my comments thank you thank you drew um if you have very interesting there's so many dynamics to think about we have an aging population we have young people coming in there's probably been a lot of discussion around jobs and the caliber of jobs downtown that would attract people that would need a car it's a it's um um there is an architect by the name of Fahiko Maki and uh japanese he was harvard's dean he wrote a paper a white paper back in 1964 on patterns in collective um the uh the dissertation which is lifelong is that we have three options we can look at at grid systems and where there are nodes along grid systems where things function the other is a mega structure where all problems are solved you know put 2,500 people or 24,000 people in a mega structure and then there's this more loosely the third category is a collective and i think about being in santa rosa so long um i'm familiar with towns like vancouver bc which have 22-story buildings along corridors which house people that create vibrancy in the street um it seems to work at a scale it's not overwhelming in santa rosa we've been troubled for decades with capitalizing the downtown infrastructure and i'm going to speak a little bit like a developer now we have a lot of areas of town which have six inch pipes four inch pipes that that can't even begin to support a multi-story building so the the town of nappa with all their t o t dollars preceding santa rosa's 2007 downtown station area they did a full sequa blanket they had capital a lot of capital and they created a mega sequa document where there's no traffic studies no air quality studies you simply come in and it's all done for you in the downtown and one of the things that troubles developers as eric had mentioned the decoupling that the protraction of time time is a great enemy of developers uh the death nail is probably seven years two and a half years shallow breathing starts and how does how does all that work and for for many years that the idea of the the food desert the vitality of people really living there um do they have a job that makes them enough money that they stay there because i i think the the the problem is seniors living downtown oh maybe i'll speak for myself it's it's wonderful to be a senior and enjoy capital to be there but the problem with that model is that it has a timeline to it the candle burns shorter and it's a lot of capital to consider um and i'm i'm not saying we shouldn't have seniors it's just that this the thing that um i'll i'm let me qualify that having a preponderance of seniors downtown serves neither i have a mother-in-law who's 92s lived in oakmont she wants to move back to portland oregon and be in the seventh floor of a building she's tired of oakmont and she may live another 10 years so my my point about the seniors is they can be very um mobile and they can be contributors but i was i was intrigued with drew's comment about capital and youth if for some reason the state of california waves fees for education if that's on the ballot that's it's been talked about all of a sudden this money is there to pay rent and instead of these uh these tiny um these timid programs of paying you know a dollar fifty uh per thousand instead of three dollars per thousand maybe there's a change there i'd like to say that i stake as a happy senior but as i i stake my future on youth on younger people on an education the whole i noticed in your shopping cart people love music they want art galleries that's all great we've had many mayors that have wanted that and the vibrancy by which education putting santa rosa as an education first place that's very fascinating um bob blanchard wanted it to be the largest used bookstore in the world he wanted all the warehouses a deterrent never gets built he wanted 850 million books brought here and so it's a brit police believe it or not but but we have to have this this this vibrancy so i i think my comments are you've kind of got three options here alternatives one two and three and if you just think dollars about the capital of pipes think of a 20s 24 inch pipe in the ground is going to support a 24 story or 30 story building and is it okay to have pipe buildings because they become economic steel is the answer in concrete is the answer i've been visiting a lot of maraga and east bay where they've they've torn down a lot of lower safeways they're doing steel construction it's about 15 to 20 stories and they do bigger buildings it's just not economic to do little pikes so my my comment in general is we're going to need to embrace that and not be scared of it because that the the economy is going vertical i don't think there's a path forward with frittering 10 inch pipes all over town for five-story wood frame buildings at some point it's untenable we can't sustain the lands too precious you want the tax revenue you're smelling your 15 to 20 i know a lot of developers have talked about that i the at and t tower prohibits anything over 125 feet in a certain arrays that that's been marked but for the areas where there isn't micro wave or fcc arrays i think we're only talking about 20 plus stories for anything to be tenable you've got to get the pipes in the ground and capitalize that as a city i believe the city of santa rosa has a larger budget than the warriors um i think that was voiced at one point um which is pretty amazing but um i really like the comments that my board shared in general about about many things i want to go through it all but everything sounded promising and with that uh we'll turn it over to the chp for thoughts thank you uh board member mcquee would you like to make some comments as i look at the the the plan i'm i'm i guess right now i'm tending to favor alternative one with a lot of the development uh in the core downtown santa rosa as a member of the culture culture of harry's board i think you know alternative two or alternative three starts to leak into historical districts and i think when that happens it gets they start to get a little bit more complicated in a sense that we have to start to pay attention to what those historical districts are and and the construction issues around that and i think that's problematic in some in some respects therefore my preference would be to have whatever you know development we do uh be in the courthouse square area in downtown and uh i agree with others who have said you know that that the the challenge is to get that to get developers to be able to pencil that out and i'm worried about the fact that we really don't have any proof that we are the developer could get the rents for some high-rise building downtown but i very much believe that that for my perspective anyway would be the best alternative rather than trying to spread development out around and impact historical districts board member fennel so i you know i agree with john in that um having a lot of housing in the down you know the main section of the downtown is a is a great idea i also really like the idea of the road diet on santa rosa avenue i support santa rosa avenue being as the gateway as it was initially when we met what in 2007 to talk about all of this it was considered the gateway to santa rosa and that area i think is so important in that it is the first opportunity for people coming off of either highway 12 or highway 101 if you don't if you don't get off on um the third street exit to enter into the downtown area and i do think that it needs more shops and more things like that i don't i don't i don't really want to see high-rise apartment complexes on santa rosa avenue i would like to see that be a retail and pedestrian and make better use of juliaard park is a central part of um of the downtown and have it it's right now i think it doesn't it doesn't serve the purpose that the town or um surrounding neighborhoods and stuff would like to see um i do like the idea of increasing um on college avenue um increasing housing in college avenue and and taking even some of the um business buildings that have been built on college avenue that are suffering from lack of and and move you know moving some of that into housing and and re re doing it um that's all i have to say for now i'm excited to see where it it continues to go vice chair peruser yeah i i share the excitement um couple of things i'm sort of looking back and forth amongst the alternatives and i think i'm going to do the grocery shopping one where i jump around a little bit and i'm going to see if i can do it by um not so much talking about historical districts specifically but talking about the historic fabric of the city and sort of where there's some hidden opportunities in that um in part because there are things that this city once did that you are almost perfectly replicating with your transit pattern here you're you're off on your trolley lines by one block south on the one that used to be on fourth and you've now moved to third um the other thing that's missing from the 19th century pattern of trolley lines because 19th century 1880s 1890s santa rosa was booming and it was booming with real estate speculation and it was laying out all of those little neighborhoods that we now call historic districts and every single one of them was connected by a trolley line to the downtown core which had exactly the function in a 19th century version late 19th century early 20th century version that you're trying to replicate now which is kind of cool if you think about it welcome back to the future right um i would agree with uh laura's comment about santa rosa af i think there's some real lost opportunities there one of those trolley lines used to go down that road when it was called south main street it is a main street we changed the name and it lost its function but i think there's some opportunities there um that you might want to think about and then the other thing i i'd like to say about different plans i almost sort of want to blend one with three and your if could you put three back up patrick because it wasn't in the ones that got sent to us okay so there there are no maps that go with this so we're gonna have to envision you know men though and then santa rosa af and then west third and then sabastopol one of the things i like about that is that it stretches north south and it also includes as much of santa rosa west of the freeway as it does east and i noticed in the minutes from a couple of meetings ago i somehow missed it when we were approving the minutes but there's this line in the minutes that says someone that was me recommended that we spend as much time in east santa rosa as as in west and i actually said the reverse i said spend as much time in west santa rosa as east even in the definition of the downtown core because i think what you're going to do downtown is going to get replicated out up these north south corridors especially to the west which is where the population is going to be going you're not going to get all 180 thousand of us in downtown i don't care if you go 50 stories but we can really start beefing up what are going to be villages out from the downtown core the way we did it in the 19th century was running trolley lines you don't have to run real trolleys because you're right those are hideously expensive and every place that they've tried to get people back on them with the possible exception of san diego which seems to be doing pretty good with that um people won't ride them but whatever the modern equivalent is of really frequent really cheap public transportation that's what we need going out to those villages i live in one of those i live off west steel i can walk to cutting town and when i age in place as a senior that's exactly what i'm going to be doing i've been practicing i have my track shoes i can walk to my coffee shop but it's not going to be downtown but i will ride the smart train because i'm within spitton distance of the north station to come down to events in downtown so the patterns you set now are the patterns that are going to be replicated out from downtown unless we end up just saying you know we're going to cut the suburbs off all together and let them fend for themselves um which you know we're likely to go a little bit feral out there on west steel if you do that um but anyway i see an interesting combination between this this sort of core downtown idea and then these transit corridors that are going to inevitably create exactly those little villages you're talking about they're going to be possibly beyond what you've defined as the downtown core but i don't see the pattern that was established 150 years ago changing significantly we're just going to get more intensification in that downtown right um what we need to put back is the way that cheap non-automobile transportation public transportation connected the neighborhoods to the downtown core and we're going to have to decentralize enough services so that people can all over the city walk to their grocery store right or take the bus to the grocery store and not have to wait two and a half hours to go half a mile which is where we are at the moment in my neighborhood i can walk that far at least at the moment so there's some some historical fabric in this city that's valuable because not only it's pretty to look at or it's something that might attract people to to live in but because it teaches lessons about how the city worked and functioned fairly effectively in the past and i look at these maps and what i see is 1896 just with 2019 technology so let's leverage that but a city is a city is a city it's got a core it's got peripheries we can make those work and not violate the open space that we've got in place and not exile seniors or young people or families with kids you know which school districts are the people in the 10 story high rises who happen to have kids where are their kids going to go to school how are we thinking about funding any added right student enrollment in downtown school districts that lovely little you know luther burbank art deco primary school on a street is it really going to take all these kids in where are we putting the schools do we need more schools are we expecting families to live in the 10 story apartment complexes if so it's not just recreation things like that yeah i'll stop there thanks thanks these are encouraging plans it's true when you look at the old photos of the city it's it's laid out on a grid and everybody knows at least most people know i think that the the laying out of the highways which was a you know deliberate choice obviously is what has caused practically all the problems in the city that we have a complete disaster with total disregard for the city and total disregard for the people in it and the only way that seems realistic for us to fix that is to make just as deliberate a choice as the people did who ruined downtown to take it back and the connectivity is key uh i would make every choice in the two alternatives that would increase pedestrian connectivity and just uh generally to emulate a grid and to make as many underpasses under the highways possible if we lose the robert's underpass it's going to be a complete death knell for bringing in roseland to the downtown and for the rest of the city forcing people underdutton or forcing people through olive park is completely unrealistic it's not working and we can wish for all the housing we want down there which is you know less expensive land it's actually a realistic uh place even if land values stay disinflated for working people to afford to live it's going to be meaningless uh to the downtown we're not going to have people able to go carless we have to remember i think that every piece of land every parking space that we dedicate to a car is land that's basically privatized to people who drive for people who can afford cars i know that i can afford a car but it's a burden and it's much more of a burden for a lot of other people i would much prefer not to have that money go out of my pocket and the same for people who need private open space they don't live near a park they are surrounded by wide and high speed limit streets and where are they supposed to put their kids where are they supposed to put their dog making these roads pedestrian only like fourth street as a promenade at least for a lot of its stretch is a way to make it so we can have units that people can afford where people can live without having to go to the expense of a car and where people don't need private open space because all of those things contribute to the inequality that we have in the city which is a disaster so specific point i don't think that light industry is the highest and best use of the land south of highway 12 i think we need to concentrate as much housing there as possible let's see and to the road died specifically there's been a lot of support for that to the extent that we still have automotive you know travel and that we have to accept that it's going to be this way for a while we need to make it as safe as possible i think everybody has seen the inability to reconcile fast high speed river type arterial roads with pedestrian safety and bike safety loss of life and i don't i'm sure i'm not alone every time i go on a street that speed limit is 30 miles an hour above you see pedestrians step up their gate and practically run for their lives to cross the street even when everybody stops they have a the right of way we can't let these opportunities go by if we want people to walk they need to feel safe and if people you know feel unsafe because there are too few people in the area and they feel like they're vulnerable the best way to fix that problem is to have more people out there to have everybody in a neighborly way looking out for one another and a lot of these improvements you know to make them attractive they might be expensive but they can be done on the cheap and i don't think there's any excuse for it i know the plan area stops college but college is is a major danger zone and it's a terrible street for pedestrians and for bikes and it's terrible to cross it's very dangerous so anything that could be done to improve that would be better and you know when we're talking about the historic neighborhoods the neighborhood character uh it isn't just the architecture it isn't just uh keeping them looking like they might have used to look we have to think about what role they play in the city and most of these areas a couple notwithstanding where areas where working people lived and could go about their daily routines without having to commute you know once the car came around they still didn't have to commute in general now we have far-flung office parks it's not the same situation exactly but we have to be cognizant of the need to spread spread out and accept high density downtown there's no reason to do either instead of both uh it's going to make all of these amenities pan out financially and it's going to create a competition for developable land where we don't see these projects fail to pencil out because there's only one lot that's appropriate that's on the market we need as many options as possible to drive down the cost of land which we all know is the biggest contributor to the economic inequality and poverty that there is in california but uh not to uh be too negative about the situation i think this is a big step forward and i would encourage the plan to be as bold as the uh destructive decisions that have been made in the past it's going to take that level of boldness to undo uh some terrible mistakes well patrick you've you've heard many things it seems like a lot of us are resonating collectively the i didn't hear anything about being timid about the downtown core but the villages around the character and heart and history the vibrancy that we once knew is still within reach and thank you for reaching out to simon that's a that's a very courageous move um it looks like you've got them by the i'll say this carefully there's a discouragement about as codes drop in buildings people have to remodel they have to do things and you you have them in a place where the 2007 um policies um direct them to wake up to other opportunities so without going into further ado you you have your notes you're going to continue um you're on a timeframe it's a lot of money being spent my hope is that collectively you'll get to the point you want with the content you want um the uh the idea of being too fast on the draw and not having the content and substance in place i don't know ultimately how you're going to decide and if there's a hybrid or not but but just the whatever closure you have you've got some great options and we appreciate this work without it um without vision it's not a future so that being said i i think we can close and move to the the last item on the agenda is that procedurally thank you very much for your time tonight all right yes bread is on his way back okay so Brett thanks for your return your patience we're going to uh have our final item which is the sp35 uh state author design standards the zoning coded text amendment and we all will have our staff report on this giving us the origins and the hopeful efficacy of this this is uh something each each city each county needs to adopt in all 58 counties is that true mostly i'll go into the details on that in just a moment but all right most cities and counties yes the time issuers okay great uh thank you uh vice chair hedge path and members of the design review board chair edmondson and members of the cultural heritage board the item before you is a report on senate bill 35 and the proposed multifamily design standards pursuant to this legislation just like to go briefly into a little background california state senate bill 35 was adopted in 2017 and became law january first of 2018 it was part of a comprehensive package to address housing shortages and high costs within the state it requires a streamlined ministerial approval process for specific multifamily residential projects only in jurisdictions where there hasn't been sufficient progress made toward the regional housing needs and santa rosa is one of those jurisdictions so an eligible project must be streamlined under this bill which means it cannot be subject to any discretionary review that means no design review no use permit and as such it's not subject to the california environmental quality act these projects also must be reviewed and approved or denied within very strict timeframes projects do have to meet quite a few requirements to qualify for this streamlined processing first and foremost it must be a primarily residential project that includes at least two residential units with specified levels of affordability the project site must be an infill site as outlined in the senate bill and cannot have a whole host of environmental issues ranging from wetlands to flood plains it cannot be within a very high fire zone it cannot include the demolition of a historic structure which is listed on the national state or local historic register in addition the construction used for construction workers who would actually build the development must be paid prevailing wage which is not a standard that that many developers adopt and each project would need to be consistent with both the general plan and any zoning provisions in addition to other city objective standards so the purpose of coming before you and ultimately going to the planning commission and the city council is for the city to prepare and adopt clear and objective multifamily design standards that respond to senate bill 35 and these objective standards are primarily sourced from the city's existing design guidelines as you know these design guidelines are subjective in nature they're this way to allow for some discretion and flexibility for the review authority but because they are flexible they cannot be used to evaluate if a project is consistent and thus can be approved with SB 35 so the goal really is to ensure neighborhood compatibility and for future projects that are approved through SB 35 that those projects really are keep a high level of design and superior design as as we currently have so the proposed design standards are broken out into six categories they're listed on the screen here and I'll just very briefly highlight a few of them as you have the full text attached to your staff report so proposed design standards related to neighborhood compatibility relate to the height of new structures especially well particularly when in close proximity to preservation districts it also suggests that new multifamily development includes some design elements from single-family housing units in close proximity and would require that buildings are street oriented so that there wouldn't be any parking parking lot areas on major street frontages abutting single-family neighborhoods proposed design standards related to building design covers using a consistent quality of materials on all sides of the buildings requiring that affordable units appear the same as any marker rate units in the same development and list out specific requirements related to the length of blank walls and requiring a variety of materials on building frontages as proposed design standards related to massing and architecture relate to the number of architectural features incorporated into the project design it also addresses variation in oh sorry I just lost my turn to that um yes it is I hadn't flipped my notes here to the next page of that screen so it discusses having a vertically articulated roof line at least every 50 feet along street frontages and breaks in in walls which extend a certain length as well some proposed design standards related to common and open space relate to a minimum square footage of private or semi-private open space adjacent to each unit and also a requirement for common open space if a development includes 10 or more units there are proposed design standards related to site design which include not only the location of common facilities within the multifamily development but also safety features like including windows within kitchen living and dining room areas that can overlook these common open space areas and also for any parked areas to be screened by landscaping from any other public street frontage not just the primary street finally there are design standards related to accessory elements these relate to fencing materials especially perimeter fencing materials and accessory equipment being screened and also the location of dumpster enclosures for those to be located far away enough so that they aren't nuisance but also close enough so that the residents are able to use them easily as you know the city has a number of objective standards related to design in the zoning code currently the the main ones that we focus on are typically development standards these are included in each zoning district and these are setbacks maximum height for buildings and also lot coverage so these do dictate the design within each zoning district the zoning code also has landscaping standards related to the number of trees required per square footage and also related to parking space numbers and does require a certain number of shrubs and trees and ground coverage site-wide in addition to on the in the planter strip outdoor lighting is also briefly addressed in the zoning code there's discussion about down shielded lighting a height limit for free standing lighting and also the requirement that light cannot trespass onto a budding properties and finally the zoning code addresses both the design and dimensions of parking spaces the the or one important point is that the zoning code does require a specific number of parking spaces for each use this senate bill does not allow the city to enforce those existing standards so senate bill 35 says that each development may may require up to one parking space per unit that's it and in some cases if it's in close proximity to public transit zero spaces would be required so our hands are pretty tied with the parking the number the design and the dimension we can enforce by the zoning code or through any changes suggested tonight i'd like to talk just briefly about the public process so we did release an online survey on our website this was distributed on the city's social media accounts and also by way of email quite a few people took the survey as of Tuesday it was up to 89 which was surprising because there are there weren't too many questions but it was asking them to rank these different proposed standards and also to provide any sort of comments our goal with asking for comments was to ensure we weren't missing something and there were some some good points raised so briefly overall trends from the public included ample and well-maintained landscaping for these developments there were a lot of comments about color and how these buildings should should have compatible colors with the existing neighborhoods that the general architecture and height should be compatible with surrounding development that green and sustainable buildings and landscaping should be enforced as well the challenge with a lot of these comments is that it's difficult to form an objective standard for compatibility in many cases but these are comments we're still appreciated and and we're hoping that you might have some suggestions as to how we can incorporate those those standards into our proposal one comment that I I thought was interesting and I'd like to point out now which I didn't think about was there are open space requirements that I briefly went through depending on the number of units both private and then common and a participant mentioned that this could be a challenge in downtown development so I thought that was a really good point and maybe something we can work on crafting so noticing will be completed as required by the zoning code prior to the planning commission and city council public hearings for this item and this is just a report so there's no action tonight it's just comments and feedback from both boards and these proposed amendments are exempt from CEQA under the common sense exemption so with that I'll wrap up my presentation and would appreciate any feedback thank you Amy for the presentation I I wanted to mention regarding the public we we do have one party is there anything you'd wish to say as a public commentary okay we'll close the public hearing and we'll go back to questions comments through from north to south again starting with Henry willing to chp Henry you're on thanks for waking me up or in fact I would it be possible for me to just email you some comments when it's at a a different hour for me to perhaps write and think more coherent coherently sure all right thank you I'm in the same boat go ahead Adam thanks for just a question regarding landscaping standards so all projects reviewed are subject to currently adopted development standards in the zoning code just poking through on there just so you know it talks about some aspects of of landscape concerns there's nothing about water storm water diversion or storm water filtration or retention or anything like that I'm just wondering if there's and so and I didn't see anything in our standards also wondering if there's anything in this sp35 so we do have standards in place for storm water through those that's enforced through our building permit phase so typically when a project a discretionary review is happening engineering looks at a storm water plan and make sure that it's feasible and then when the development comes in as a building permit that plan is approved by the building department so they would still be able to they would still have to comply with that and that's required by the regional water quality board okay great thank you that's all for me thank you Adam Eric real quickly thanks for the time and staying so late for staff I know it's difficult my question is is how do we incorporate these changes along with looking at the the up the up town changes that we're looking at because even this evening in preparation for this meeting when we look at those design standards an example is multiple multifamily projects located across the street from single family neighbourhood shall orient the buildings to the street with individual entries patio areas and landscaping facing the single family homes parking lot areas and carports shall not be located along these street frontages and then there's a couple more items that they run counter and counterproductive to what we're trying to do so I just want to make sure that we're incorporating both of those into how we're developing our new you know downtown plan etc those are my concerns is is even looking at a couple projects today that we approve could run against some of these changes so that's that's the concern how do we incorporate that so is that concern pretty specific to to downtown you're saying or is that a concern citywide well I guess it would be a concerned citywide I'm using downtown because we're looking at multifamily structures you know take Luther Burbank Gardens area for an example where you have single family residences if we start putting multifamily structures right there they all have to be facing the homes the entrances have to be facing the homes where we put parking lots it gets very restrictive it looks like it's beyond our control with SB 35 but I want to make sure that you know as we develop plans on where we're going to do development and infrastructure infill that we can help accommodate what we're trying to accomplish and keeping that in mind yes I agree and that's a particular challenge because we have all these design guidelines but we're able to be flexible if it doesn't work in a particular circumstance and and here we're being encouraged to at least create some objective standards so it's it's definitely a challenge we don't want to create a situation where projects aren't aren't feasible and so it may be that a lot of these standards go away or maybe in particular areas like the downtown that might be appropriate thank you thank you Eric right thank you you to kind of help understand where this is coming from this is I think this was maybe what was alluded to earlier about who's who actually has to follow the senate bill right and that's basically because of the lack of housing that Santa Rosa has developed and so this is now being implemented to facilitate that that type of housing and that growth is that correct yes okay so and just to clarify it does only apply to projects that meet certain criteria which Amy outlined so to date we've had one is it one person who who has inquired about utilizing this Senate bill which has kind of spurred us to move quickly to get this in our ordinance so that we don't end up with a building or design that we're not happy with but it is something that I think would be relatively challenging I don't know that we will get a lot of these but so it is something we need to address but we just need to keep in mind that there are a lot of criteria that applicants have to meet in order to qualify for this gotcha so there's quite a yeah it's fairly rigorous in terms of how you know what can apply to this this program and that was kind of outlined I think one of the first slides I don't have anything specific at this point I'm assuming we can contact you with other questions or at a later date yes thanks Brett thank you true so nobody said this but I'm gonna say this this scares the ever-loving but Jesus out of me for a couple of reasons it encourages bad design because it doesn't have a discretionary element associated with it and so we can try to put essentially what is a form-based code kind of in an ordinance to try to control it but at the end of the day sp35 says well you can only do this this this this and this right so this scares me a lot but at the same time I'm also not scared because it's requiring prevailing wage which would probably discourage developers from actually doing it because they have to pay their workers you know an extra 25 bucks an hour whatever the heck it is between the differential between you know the going rate and prevailing wage so anyway I'm just gonna say it this scares me a lot but I don't I think if we can reign it in as best as we can we can try to meet our design guidelines I guess I do have one question within the proposed it's a little tiny thing but uh under building design number five you say window frames must be recessed a minimum of two inches from the surrounding wall plane that effectively eliminates uh flanged windows which are like your vinyl marvin windows and stuff which you would probably see on a lot of multifamily so I'm I'm questioning that one just because like if you did a multifamily building that was on that was siding you would do a flange window with trim and it would be kind of flush with everything so that's a one that I'm kind of scratching my head on it's a nitty gritty one I thought I think I wrote one other note here sorry I want to check nope that was it that was the only thing so scares me and the two inch window thing I don't think it's gonna fly okay we can we can strike that one yeah thanks thank you drew um you know my comments are specifically um I just want to go to page 10 your presentation proposed to design standards um the first bullet was common facilities located to the interior rear of the project site we have a lot of urban projects on small these are all infill sites and the idea of humanizing the street with a community center the outreach seniors library guitar lessons if you pull it inside the project it's kind of sad that was written um maybe the neighborhood knee jerk was that it troubles and makes noisy a neighborhood when it actually gives it life but um I think that's kind of a silly one um the other thing on existing objective standards development stands for zoning district setbacks minimum height lot coverage we have these affordable projects that here's another layer for you Amy we've got concessions when when we have density bonuses 35 percent or better um even even a 15 density bonus um that whole density bonus book was actually written to trigger and allow parking building height in at least three concessions so I don't know how the state is going to connoiter how they're going to negotiate um it's I can walk across j street to l street it's the same town but we have competing values here we have the state of california in one sense incentivizing um some design give and take for affordability that's one part of sacramento the other is this this bill which is really looking at let's take sequa out of the picture and roll and let's go it it is a little disconcerting that people talk about color and there's there's so many things at play here because it isn't a scalable document it's not talking about a downtown in some ways it's talking about maybe a quieter neighborhood and here um I know case used to be in the planning commission decade I think it was about 1992 jane bender and others led the way with the general plan to have overlays of attachment we we have very few 6000 foot lot subdivision is it one every four years now you have of a project that is a standard subdivision with a success they're they're almost extinct but here we have a general plan that is rallying forward with with density maybe it isn't a collision but I'm just I just want to be mindful that the state is aware that's it's it's operating on simultaneous levels and my hope in this is that there's some latitude for city um like like drew my final comment is actually having such a timeline such a rally the the intersection of public works of civil engineers doing all their work and having recordations and maps and when and signing along with the vertical with with architecture those tasks require um multiple levels of review cost review referral um you that's been your world for decades is is what in the wire basket circles back is it already complete can I give the release letter of full approval so that a title company can memorialize a project um I'm only saying this that life safety is important and that there's so much bandwidth people have and if there's a lot of these coming in they'll need to be um some outsourcing a public works probably I don't think they have the bandwidth to plan check all this and review it but it it could be great it's it's really trying to forego sequa and I know you're spending a lot of money as a city um I think it was a three quarter million or almost a million in the in the down the down uh up the downtown down the up the downtown I'm sorry that's pretty up in the downtown is super bucks and that whole rally is dollars that you're doing if it goes and it works isn't that kind of already taking sequa out of the picture you're gonna create a framework document that I can go to almost any site so I empathize with you that you have to do calculus on three levels and have fun and please get sleep thank you well I'm gonna just go ahead myself to keep the line going and I don't have any further comments I I did think a lot of those comments were good it's certainly more of a design oriented review here um so um with that I will ask Vice Chair Percer for any comments we'll have a couple of thoughts first of all good luck um because I think as as many of the comments here have indicated this is very daunting to think about operationalizing so thank you for coming to us um and and think of us as a resource we're happy to help um just a couple of quick thoughts because I noticed there are a couple of direct references to preservation districts or historic districts in here in terms of specific design elements and I think that's good um and again we are a resource so come and talk to us we can help with that I'm in particular there are a couple of um cultural heritage board members who are absent tonight who I think because of their particular areas of expertise could be really helpful in helping you navigate this um the one thing I'd like to say that's just my own personal perspective in in the city across the city we have some amazing examples of places where multifamily housing was inserted into single family dwelling neighborhoods in fact they're all over our historic districts and outside the historic districts there are four squares there are there are garden apartment complexes there are little tiny 1920s motor courts um we've got a lot of built examples of how to do this in a way that would fit into the fabric of this city as a whole in particular moving outside the downtown and looking at places where there's some pretty awesome infill opportunities out there if we can pry some of that county land out of the county's hands for example um and we've got a building inventory that would give us some really cool examples to at least be able to show um to people thinking about these kinds of projects that would fit in the city so just a thought board member final so one of the questions that I had is how specifically does I mean reading through all of this and my my brain's been gone for about half an hour now um how does how does this impact the cultural heritage board with having purview over some of the infill and in historic districts we've had things that have come before our board um that are still out you know outstanding and they would those would scare me to think about them being streamlined and there was also another question about parking where they talked about parking on there and said that parking what was it on number 11 go ahead and take the first one okay so again this would only apply to very specific projects that meet a pretty long list of requirements so prevailing wage is a big one they have to have a certain level of affordability and then that infill site that they choose can't have any sort of environmental issue that's listed in the bill and there's probably at least 30 to 40 I do think that and as Jessica mentioned that that is really going to limit the number of projects that really qualify for the streamlining the parking discussion there was there was on parking requirements automobile parking standards shall not be imposed on a development that meets any of the following criteria and the second one was the development is located within an architecturally and historically significant district it it's what does that mean is is that it sounds like it would be chaos in those districts but maybe it's just because my brain's gone I don't know I think it might be the former um that it's just that they see that as a way to create more compatibility so there wouldn't be a requirement for for that one spot per unit yeah that would be a that would be a really tough one because we're having most of our historic districts are so close to the downtown and the parking within those is is crazy and I could just it would be chaos and it's not that a project couldn't propose some parking it's just that they don't have to to meet or to get an approval if it falls into one of those categories so yeah I just I don't like the idea of of infill things on lots within historic districts you know just being able to go forward without um some sort of check in thank you I'm done thank you board member mcqueen I just want to understand if there is a lot in a historical district and a person wants to go through the process of qualifying for SB 35 does that mean then that we have as a member of the cultural heritage board you have no discretion over what kind of structure is is put on that lot assuming that there's two living I mean there's two housing units on it is that am I understanding that correctly if a project qualifies under SB 35 so it meets each one of those requirements then no discretionary reviews allowed per the senate bill so no chp approval no drb approval no planning commission approval no director approval from the planning department it's just we have to check boxes and say does it meet this standard doesn't meet this standard doesn't meet the standard if it meets each of those standards it's approved and so that's why these objective design standards are or the idea was to take the design guidelines and turn them into standards although it's very challenging is is that we really want to keep a lot of this valuable perspective and be able to enforce it in these new developments but it's yeah it's it's tricky and yes there's there's no discretion allowed again just for these few projects that that might qualify okay just to just a clarifying question on top of that these projects would still have to adhere to the current land use and zoning or yes so they're not looking like when you say planning commission it's they're still they're not looking for zoning change or land use change or anything like that so okay right i i said the planning commission example for like a if there was maybe a major use permit that might be required for the multi-family housing yes okay warren would you do the honors please so if i could just quickly um i know a few of you mentioned um uh the possibility of submitting comments later which is completely fine we we would welcome any comments that you have uh as Amy mentioned this is very challenging to try and put something like this together um so just to give you an idea of timeframe on when we might need that we are looking at trying to get to the planning commission so what what Amy has put together is ultimately going to go into the form of an ordinance that would go into our zoning code and so that requires review by the planning commission who would then make a recommendation to city council um so comments prior to heading to planning commission would be um uh the most used to us uh and we are tentatively looking at going to the planning commission on their august eighth date so august eight so uh if we could get any comments from you prior to that that would be very helpful yes thank you well with that we appreciate again such an august body being responsible and it's under good care so thank you for that with that um we have board member reports can i turn to the chp for any report you wish to share somehow i forgot about that item uh board members any reports nothing to report okay nothing to report thank you and for our board are there any members okay um hearing hearing no department reports um prior to german i know that uh because of july there's no july 4th meeting and patty's still awake there um so july 4th is off for the whole city on the 18th there has been a a i think it may involve the chp there's there's a couple there was a they pulled it they pulled it was in lieu of this okay that's right so there there may and patty's working on what may be a so thank you yeah we we sent out a an email thinking that this joint meeting may not happen um so we preemptively sent an email to asking everybody what their availability was for that date for a possible joint meeting um but we no longer need that but there may be some regulars uh design new board items so there's no interest on the board to doing this twice again all right hearing that we're going to adjourn the meeting thank you


Hello and welcome to another session on gems of geometry. So guys today we are going to take up another very interesting and very important formula given by one of the very famous Indian mathematicians Brahma Gupta. So Brahma Gupta existed in the 7th century around 7th century in Christian era and apart from other mathematicians like Bhaskaracharya and Aravata he happens to be well known for his algebra and geometrical results. So one of the formula which is related to finding out the area of a cyclic quadrangle is what we are going to discuss today.  So you can see here I have drawn a cyclic quadrangle ABCD and it lies on this circle. So Brahma Gupta has expressed the area of the cyclic quadrangle in terms of its four sides and the formula is something like this. So k which represents the area is equal to under root s minus a, s minus b, s minus c, s minus d. Now many of you would have heard of Heron's formula. So Heron's formula is a formula given by a mathematician, philosopher, scholar, hero, hero of Alexandria and it was somewhere around 2nd century AD. So 5 centuries later Brahma Gupta came up with his own formula where he expressed this formula for finding out the area of a cyclic quadrangle. Now you can all see that Heron's formula becomes one of the special case of Brahma Gupta's formula. That means if you reduce one of the four sides ABC and either of them one of them to 0 then it reduces to Heron's formula. So let us discuss this formula first we will see and we will validate this and then we will try to prove this and we will also demonstrate how we can, what was the proof given by many scholars and in this particular video we will be proving this using trigonometry. So let us begin the demonstration first and then we will be trying to prove this. So what I have done is I have drawn a circle with radius 5 center O and ABCD is the quadrangle ABC and V are four points on the circle and I have already calculated the area you can see on the right side panel. SS happens to be the semi-perimeter okay so A plus B plus C plus V divided by 2 so S is semi-perimeter of this quadrangle. The values of ABC and V in this particular case have been given right it's been shown here if you change the locations of A and B you can see all the values related to you know the change is also changing for example in this case the value of B and C are changing so small a small b small c small d are the sides of this quadrangle. So as you move any of these points and you will see the entire value keeps changing okay so very clearly S has been calculated here 14.05 S minus A S minus B S minus C and S minus B has been calculated as well and then we have found out the area using the formula or using the calculator in built in the software but let us also try to find out the area of this quadrangle from some other sources which are other mechanisms which we have studied. So what we can do is we can always split this quadrangle into two halves so let us say I join the diagonal BD and if I find out individual you know triangle ABDs area and triangle BCD area and add them it should match up with this value 48.65 okay so let us try to do that so how do we do it so for that I know that area of a triangle either I can use the Heron formula itself to find out the area or rather since we have the software here we will be using the you know the formula of half into base into height so for that I have to first find out the altitudes from A and C so let us do that let me drop a perpendicular from A to this line okay so this line yeah so this is a perpendicular line on BD from A let me find out the point of intersection so this is the point of intersection E similarly I can drop another perpendicular from C to this line and again let me call this point as F right so CF is perpendicular to BD you can see and AE is perpendicular to BD okay now since I don't require these lines so I can just switch them off so I don't need them okay and now I can simply join the points using a simple line segment so AE and FC so basically now we just need to find out the base this BD length length AE length FC and find out the area of the triangle so for that we need the formula panel here so let me do that okay so now the area so keep keep in mind the area which is there already calculated by this formula Brahma Gupta's formula how much is it 46.3 and let's see whether we can match this using our conventional method of you know finding the area of triangles okay so let me let me first define few lengths so I'm defining D1 you can you can see on the right left hand side panel here D1 right so what is D1 I'm defining D1 as so it's already yeah so let me start with D1 is equal to right what is D1 distance okay distance between which two points A and E right A comma E so this is D1 so D1 is 5.27 yeah so D1 is AE distance AE okay or rather I can change the name and put it like this so that it becomes much clearer wrap DAE okay so DAE is this I can put the label maybe yeah so but this label is different let it be oh sorry so yeah so I is the name of this thing but I don't want the label let it be so DAE is distance between A and E similarly D let's say F and C okay so F and so I'm writing FC is equal to what will that be is equal to distance distance you can see on the left hand side corner where I'm writing the formula here dislocation distance what is the distance distance is F and C F and C okay so AE I already calculated now I'm calculating yep DFC and DAE is done now I also need the distance between B and D for the base so I'm writing D underscore BD BD and this will be equal to this will be equal to distance between distance between B and D B comma D okay so 9.97 so I have calculated distance between AE distance between F and C and distance between B and D so let us say the first area A1 the first area or I can write area of triangle ABD so let me write it as ABD okay area of triangle ABD is equal to how much half so 1 by 2 into base what is the base guys so I have to write 1 by 2 1 by 2 and into half into base what is base BD right so I have to write D BD D BD into into which one D AE isn't it so D underscore AE right here is the value 26.24 so area of triangle ABD is 26.24 you can always check it from this tool as well because we have area tool so you can always find out a right 7 C1 oh this is our circles area so we don't need this we don't need this we need the area of area of the triangle okay so let me delete it so I have to find out area area so select polygon circle or conic so I have to basically define a polygon for that so let it be I am not doing that I am again calculating through our usual mechanism now I am interested in finding out area of BDC or BCD so let's say BCD you can again focus here and you will be able to see this BCD is equal to half again so 1 by 2 and then into base base is again BD so D BD okay and then multiplied by the altitude FC D correct and here is the area so 26.24 and 20.06 so total area of the quadrangle would be area total area let's say a underscore abcd okay so this is the area of quadrangle abcd will be nothing but aabd underscore area of abd plus area of area of what area of BCD is it it BCD correct and if you add see whatever what is the value I am getting 46.3 and let's check what was the value here we had got 46.3 see it matches so here you can see 46.3 was through the calculation which calculation this calculation under root s minus a s minus b s minus c s minus b I have done that calculation and here area is coming out if I sum the area of the two parts of the quadrangle I am also getting 46.3 so that means this area does work okay so what I can do is I can always change this value see if I change the location of let's say point a right so you can see yeah 44.72 and let me put it on the same frame so that becomes easier to view so 44.72 so whatever I do so I change the location of v so 45.58 45.58 right so here anywhere you can take d here so 37.4 37.4 so that means what we can very easily see that you know this formula given by Brahma Bhukta in seventh century yeah and and in that century he came up with this formula that area of our cyclic quadrangle can be expressed as root over semi perimeter minus a multiplied by semi perimeter minus b multiplied by semi perimeter minus c multiplied by semi perimeter per meter minus d right so if you do that you will be getting the area which we validated by finding out the area as the sum of the areas of the two triangles divided by one of the dinals of the quadrangle right now next what we are going to do is we are going to prove it so how do you know or how do we know that this formula works and why is it working so let's check that proof out


Meanwhile, the Minister of the Economy, Walir Doong, has said that to finance Nigeria's 28.8 trillion Naira budget, the federal government will eliminate the reliance on ways and means, the Minister of Finance and Co-ordinating. The minister said the federal government would rather focus on bolstering revenue and driving economic growth. President Balotinbu had signed into law the 2024 Appropriation Bill of 28.78 trillion Naira in the presence of the President of the Senate, Senator Gotswila Papu, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Tajadine Abbas. We will make sure that, even if there is need, that we also undertake joint monitoring of the implementation of the budget to ensure that, yes, nobody can tell us one thing in the green chambers and nothing in the red chambers, we will make sure that we monitor very well. And he has also assured us that he has passed the matching orders to them, ours is to make sure that we do our job, over side, over side, over side. Landmark achievement we had was also approving the securitization of the ways and means which has effectively brought to an end these controversial means and ways of borrowing money. And he has assured Nigeria that this will be the last of this kind of ugly. We are spending close to 11 trillion in capital expenditure, which is about 39 percent of the budget itself. I think this is almost the first in a very long time in our history. Equally, Mr. President said it, today one of the things that gave him pleasure was that this budget even provided 100 billion to provide school feeding for children. We're relying less on borrowing and more on revenue. And I think we have to take the two together. We are very optimistic that not only will this budget be funded adequately, but it will be funded on a timely basis as well. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Hi! Welcome to the side video. I've got the George Sheard. There he is. We've got different angles this time. Yeah. It now feels like a professional setup. There he is. Absolutely. Today we're going to be going head to head with a trivia game because we're both fantastic at trivia. Absolutely. See, you'd think because we're both so into the fandom at this point that we'd know these things, I bet we're going to be so terrible at this. I'm worried, yeah. What are the categories? They're not categories, are they? Yeah. So the categories are Time Lords, Companions, Episodes, Years and Dates, Monsters, Cast, Crew and Beyond. Yeah, the Years and Dates. Shits. Wow. Great. But to add a bit of sauce, there is actually a prize. If you win, you get a choice of one of these vintage books. Well, some of them are vintage. These two are the... What, genuinely? Yes. For the hour. So we've got Day of the Doctor by Mark Fatt. We've got Rose by RTD. We've got some of these which are very old. We've got Keys of Marinus. We've got Frontios and everyone is favourite. Time Lash. Time Lash. Time Lash. So you will get to go home with one of these if you win. If I win. And if I win, I get to gloat. As you're the guest, I'll let you roff. Right. Okay. So that is... What was that one? I should really keep this here so I can tell. This is Monsters.  Right. Okay. Oh, well, this is a very easy one. What is the name of the Daleks home planet? Scarra. How did he do it? I should give it a keep a tally, really. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Are you crazy, frog? What? Reference. So one point. One point to George. Whoa. It's to six. Okay. Six. Because that's usually our trivial pursuit. Yeah. Six cheeses. But we don't have cheeses. It didn't come with the game. Josh, you give me luck. Monsters again. We over-interested how difficult this would be. Yeah, it's quite possible that as long as none of us roll years and dates. In which... I think even then we'll be all right. In which story was Davros first introduced? No, it wasn't Destiny. It wasn't Journey's End. Which is from it, no. What's the genesis of the Daleks? It was. Yeah. It's one point to me. We're all tied up. Oh, fantastic. Oh, we can google the hardest Doctor Who trivia question. Or we could do those BuzzFeed quizzes. Which companion are you? Which two companions were with the Doctor on his very first regeneration? Ben Polley. Is it? Oh, God, I've got that right. Corrected is Ben and Polley. I was actually for a second and I was like... Did you see them panic in his eyes? He's on the move. He's trying to run away. You can't win that easily. I'm trying to forfeit. Here we go. Time Lords. I know what they are. Oh, come on. What is the name of the Broken Califlage Unit that is meant to disguise the Doctor's Tardis wherever it lands? The what? Oh, right, yeah. But for a second, you were acting like All High and Mighty and I was like, what? Is it the Chameleon Circuit? I mean, if you want to pronounce it like that, yeah, but that's correct. Yes. Fun fact, it's the Chameleon Circuit. It's named after the Chameleon. Fun fact, top 10 things you didn't know about Doctor Who. Wrong way. I watched Norge over there. 14. 14? What? That doesn't have numbers on it. They're only 14. He's been on long trains already. Yeah. Do you know the 14th Doctor? That's like your brain's trying to tell everyone. David Tennant's back. Wow, years and dates. In which year, oh, this might be easy, did the Judoon make their first appearance? 2007. Is that a fine answer? Yeah. Correct. It's 2007. I was trying to find you. Oh, that was... The mind games because the cards are too easy. Orange, cast crew and beyond. Old cock. This might be... This might do me in here. I'm not very good at casting crew. I know who Chris Chibnall is. This is actually... Oh, no. So, there is a multiple choice, but I'm not going to read it immediately. That's what you can get without. Which member of the League of Gentlemen starred in the episode, Silence in the Library? Stard in Silence in the Library from the League of Gentlemen. I mean, there are four names here that I can read after you meet them. I mean, it's not Mark Gators, but I don't know any of the other names. So, please give me the most of the choice. Mark Gators, Reese Shearsmith. Okay. Jeremy Dyson. Yeah. Steve Pemberton. I don't know who any of those people are. Oh, really? Oh, no. Are you going to watch Inside the Night? Nope. I'm going to go with Pemberton. You'd be correct. Oh, what a guess. I thought I might have it in the bag there. Casting crew. That is one. You know I actually... Give it up for casting crew. Well done. Well done, premium proceed, Dr. Newtine. You did a good job with that one question. Roll away. Oh, yes, it's my turn. Yellow. What's that? Episodes and stories. In which 1980s story is a Dalek first scene levitating up a flight of stairs? Oh, hang on. Is it Remembrance? I don't know. Is that your final answer? Oh, well, this is my final answer. I can't think of any others. Remembrance is correct. Oh, my God. Yeah, I thought it was. It's the bit where he's... it's the Vesta McCoy is against the door. Yeah. Yeah, it's all sexy. He's like, oh no, don't get me, Dalek. You've got four. I've got three. I'm about to tie it all up, hopefully. I mean, either way, you're going to win first if we keep going like this. That was the idea. So we might need to change something after it. Orange. Cast crew. Dammit. Oh, that's... Oh, I don't like the sound of that. I think it's because I wouldn't know this. Oh, no. So Vesta McCoy, this is actually... the casting crew are actually difficult. Vesta McCoy, aka the Zenith Doctor, in case you didn't already know that. I didn't. No. Who? Start in the movie adaptation of The Hobbit. He sure did. Yeah. But who did he portray? That's not a Doctor Who question. That's Lord of the Rings. Did he play Radagast, Saruman? I've never seen these. Saruman. Balin, or Barlin. Barlin, sorry, The Goblin King. Oh, well, thank you for clarifying. So Radagast, Saruman, or Balin, The Goblin King. Right, you said you haven't watched these movies. I wouldn't know this. I mean, it's not Saruman. I know enough about Lord of the Rings to know it's not Saruman. I want to go with that first one, Radagast. Okay. Is it? That is, yeah. Is it not right? It's correct. Oh, yes. Don't scare me like that, she is. Radagast, that sounds like a so-mestimacoy name. Ah, shall we have the takeaway whilst you're gone? That is not the general rider. Kami-o. It's all tied up. I think if worse comes to worse, you can probably just do the casting crew ones, because they're all difficult software. This is a years and dates question. In which year did the 10th Doctor, played by David Tennant, meet the 5th Doctor, played by Peter Davidson in the mini-sode time crap? Oh, you see, that's annoying, because it... That's gentle. I was like, there's noise there. She's trying to sneak about, but she's got shoes on, so it's... Kami-o again. It's all right, I'm getting more tired of thinking about the answers. No, hurry up. So, I think it happened between, you know, between series three, finale, and the Christmas special. So, I think it's 2007 again. Correct. It is. To be fair, I think I would have said at the end of the day, because it's so close to the Christmas special, that I would have just... My brain would have fired. Yeah, but this is a new one, but again, I don't know if I... I don't know why I get this. No! In which century? Century? Was the Weeping Angels story, The Time of Angels, Flesh and Storm, set in? I was like, wait in the future. This is multiple choice. Doesn't it have like an apple in it? It is multiple choice. Okay, that fills me with... Is it? I don't know if you should. Is it 51st, 52nd, 48th, or 50th? For God's sake, they're all... Mothaf! Why can't you just make it Bleak Part Two, and have it be in the modern dick? Say it again. 51st, 52nd, 48th, or 50th? I'm just picturing Riversong. Oh, hello. I'm going to go with 52nd. You're wrong. Is this 51st?  How's it done? Oh, you watch your own five? My own five. Your own five. Now, if I get this next one, I don't mind we can make it harder. Are you reckon? That's what she says. But hey, the children are watching. Sorry, that's... Little Rory, Rory the Dalek is probably watching. I'm on Casting Cruise, I feel free to destroy my life. Good luck. Linda Bellingham, who played the high inquisitor in Trial of a Time Lord. I've not even seen it. But the joke... Okay, yeah. Which brand of grocery product is she famous for advertising? Are you kidding me? I don't even know the woman, I've not seen the story. What, is it multiple choice? It's not multiple choice. It's not multiple choice. Yeah, so Linda Bellingham played the high... It's grocery? Yeah. It's not when I'm down to like... I'll be honest, I haven't heard of this either. The answer is so... Shoot. Grocery. I think I'm in with a shot, guys. Like and subscribe to find out what happens next. Hit the bell. You should do that. Smash. I hate myself. I don't know. I mean, that's just... The fact that you haven't even heard of the brother... That's fair. It is Oxo. I don't like the cubes. Yeah, yeah. What? Oxo cubes. I've been to Google that. I can't... They're either like croutons or they're like... They're like beef stock. Wow. Well, we're all learning something here today. Thank you for joining this Doctor Who face quiz. You're not the Doctor Who, you're the bossy quiz. But we talk about beef stock. We love a bit of beef stock. Really?  What military rank did Alistair Lefbridge-Stewart, that's the golden Lefbridge-Stewart one, hold when he first met the Doctor? Oh, because he wasn't Brigadier at first. No, he wasn't, but this is a really weird one because of the whole unit dating controversy. Oh, I don't even understand what that was all about. I just see Twitter... I just... Twitter? I just see Twitter shouting about something. I see Twitter as well. Oh, let's think. So it could be a general, it could be a corporal, it could be just an officer. Yeah. Oh, I don't remember. That was in Web of Fear and I really like Web of Fear. Oh, was it? Was it in one before Web of Fear? I'm confused. What's his time like? No, I think Web of Fear. I'm so confused. Okay, good. Now I can seem smart. I'm cutting the bit where I was confused at. I think it was... ...general. He wasn't. He was a colonel. He was a colonel? I didn't think about colonels. He does like his chicken, does that? Someone added that. Someone added... Please. The Brigadier is colonel Sanders. Oh, for God's sake. All right. Is it all right? Is it good? This is an easy one, yeah. Okay. Who was the first actor to portray the doctor's nemesis? The master. Roger Del Gardo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's sick. That's mad.  What grocery product did Roger Del Gardo buy in 1967? Technically, you win, but do you want to go for a hard one? I think we should... I think we should... We should use that as a... That's a test. Can I say a practice? Yeah. And we'll try to... I don't know what... Tell you what. What we can do is we go back and forth and we pick what the hardest one is and give that one. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. So to reiterate, what we're going to do this time for the all to play for round, which I'm going to suddenly call it, is first to six on the hardest question on the card. And then that person is the win. Exactly. That's English. Tommy says read yours first, or do you want to read mine? Go for it. You read away. Right. Let's have a look at the hardest one on here. What does TARDIS stand for? There's some words on here. I don't like the sound of this. It's quite up-to-date, this, actually. We're going to go for companions on this one. That's the hardest one. Okay. Okay. What is the name of Brigadier Lefford Stewart's wife in the 1989 story, Battlefield? Oh, I can give you four options here. I want to say. Yeah. All right. Go, go, go. What were you going to say? I was going to say Dolores. That sounds like an old lady name. It's interesting. The options are Doris, Doreen, Donna, or Dolores. Oh, this changes things though, because I was closer than I thought I was. You actually said one of the answers there. But is it right? I'm leaning more towards Doris now I've heard it. It's either Doris or Dolores. They're too close together. I'm going to. Oh, no. I'm going to go with Dolores. You're wrong. It was Doris.  Thanks, Doris. Thanks for the win, Doris. Thank you. Cheers, Doris Leff. Okay. I'm going to go with a Peter Capaldi era question in Time Lords. You would do that, wouldn't you? You do one that I should know. Yeah. That makes it all the sweeter when you get it wrong. The Doctor swore an oath to guard Missy's body in the quantum fold chamber. Yes. But for how many years? Thousand years. Damn it. I thought I should have turned over the card. I thought it would give you a really awkward number. Cheers, Doris. Once again. Shout out. Oh, some of these are despicable. I need to keep my time lash. There is one that I could do but it's... Oh, is it too? That is it. It's despicable. There's one that is also difficult but probably easier. Mmm, okay. I'll weed out the slightly easier one, I reckon. Okay. I like the sound of that. Come on then. Which year is it when the 10th Doctor meets Queen Victoria and a werewolf creature in Scotland and there is a normal multiple choice? You have to know the year. Okay. Now, here's where my lack of knowledge about the royal family comes into question. When did she die? You remember when she died? Nope. Wait, what didn't she die at the turn of the 19th century, like 1905? She became a big wolf and just sort of like... Yeah, she turned into a wolf and she got shot. But that's what the government doesn't want you to know. I think it's 18 something for sure. I'm going to go with 18... If you get it within five, I'll give it to you. Oh, okay. I like that. I reckon that's fair. I'm going to go with 1879. You got it in one. Well done.  Yeah. The more difficult one that I was considering was which member of the men behaving badly cast portrayed a slimy effete, or an arrogant prince in the fifth orchestra in snake dance? Oh, there's definitely a winner going on. Yeah, I'm going back on. I can't believe that. That's something I would never have even 1879. Even if I don't win, I'm going to just going to be living that. Complete the 2006 story, The Wat Pit. Which doctor declared after blowing up a Dalek For a man who appores violence, I took great satisfaction in doing that, and it's not multiple choice. Which doctor said that? Which doctor said that after blowing up a Dalek? Siliconia. I was this close to saying it in the impression, which would have given it away. For a man who appores violence, I took great satisfaction in doing that. See my instincts there, because it's not one that I... It's not a new kind of doctor. I don't think it is. I don't think Jodie Whitaker yelled that in resolution. For a man who appores violence, great satisfaction in doing that. No, I don't think it was Jodie Whitaker. I think that narrows that down a little bit. I think... I don't think it was... I don't think it was any new who doctor, because I've watched them recently and I don't recognise that. It seems quite old fashioned. That's fair. My instinct is the fourth doctor, but I don't think that's right. Okay. Interesting. I think... I'm going to guess. This is a total guess, because I don't think I've seen the story. I might have done it, and that's even worse. That's it. I think... I think it might be Colin Baker. You reckon? I think a doctor. I'm totally wrong. Is that your final answer? It is my final answer. It's the third doctor in Planet of the Daleks, apparently. Yeah, I haven't seen it, so... I've done great satisfaction in doing that. I feel like it's like video with John Colshaw. It's fantastic. Yeah. What can I say? Ask me. It's like when I went on Who Knew, and no, it was Mr Tardis' live stream. He kept prodding me, like, I'm sorry to treat you like a performing monkey, but do the voice, do the voice. We're still on one each. This is hard. I'll put on my glasses. I'll see through the card. They'll give me the answer. That's how it works. No, she's a lot of voyage stuff. This is a companion question. When she decided to stop travelling with the fifth doctor, what were Teagan's final words as the Tardis dematerialised in front of her? I didn't even realise that you'd got that on me. Genuinely, that shocked me. What was her final line as the Tardis leaves? Not exactly. I mean, it would make sense for it to be, like, Braveheart or something, because that sounds like, oh, no, did she, like, really regret it?  What was that story? Braveheart? I don't know. That's my guess.   It's not really good, if I'm right. Braveheart, Teagan, Doctor, I will miss you. Aww.  Which two doctors appeared in the story? Two doctors. Tony Whitaker and William Hartnell. That would have, no, I'd watch that. This is my future. Where's your style gone?  My favourite quote of Joni Whitaker's, it's not when she's the Doctor.  And I don't know where it's from. I don't know what that is, but I presume it's something like, Centrion's or something. I hope so, because it really gave me a chuckle. Casting crew. Oh. Richard Wilson starred in the ninth Doctor of Adventure, The Empty Child. Did he? But he sure did. Oh, yeah. But which grumpy character was he most famous for playing? Hang on. There's four. I don't want, I don't want the, I want to try and get this, because I feel like I should know it.  I think. Sure. It doesn't say the show, but it says four different characters. I might actually have to go for multiple trust in this one, because I feel like I will know it. He does make you less of a man, but alright. Well. Is it Basil Faulty? No. Edmund Blackadder? No. Victor Muldron. It's Victor Muldron, that's it. Or Bishop Brennan. It's Victor Muldron. It's Victor Muldron. We're going to go for episodes and stories. You said it. It's like who wants to be a millionaire. I'm going to find a friend. Yeah, you've got three lifelines left. Yeah, good. Ask the audience. I don't know if ask the audience will help in this situation. Yeah. What do you think, guys? What do you think? Help. What kids TV show does the master watch when he's imprisoned in the Sea Devils? That was like the 70s. I don't even know what it's on in the set. I'm going to say. It's very classic. Is it? I'm going to say the only one that's bringing to mind Rainbow. It's the only show I know. It's not Rainbow. He's like, what is it? It's the Clangers. Oh, the Clangers. That makes sense. Yeah, the old space rat things.  Do you have two? And I have one. That's another Capaldi question. What is the name of the university where the Doctor and Bill Potts first meet? What is the name? I think it's St. Luke. Is that the final answer? Yeah, it is, but I might be wrong. Cock. You're well on your way to winning one of these books. Oh, I can't wait. Right. I expect a full review. What do you do with the pose? Do you do it with a book? I can't remember what the camera was. I was looking for the light. It's been on YouTube for nine years and I can't work out where the camera is. So what does it say? I'll do this one because it's the only vaguely difficult one. And it's interesting as well. Pauline Collins, who played Queen Victoria in Tooth and Claw, was nominated for a leading actress Oscar. For which of the following films? I'll read them out. Educating Rita, Shirley Valentine, Steel Magnolius, I think, and Beaches. Again, this isn't Doctor Who. It's not. It's not. It's always like a vague... David Tennant was once in this thing. What was it? I'm going to go with Steel Magnolius. You're being correct. It's Shirley Valentine. Well, that's still three to George. Give me a half. I'm going to feel free. Go for it. This would be hard for me. So let's see if you watched The Demons. Fantastic. What was the name of the titular demon in The Third Doctor Adventure? The Demons. And this is Marvel Choice. Okay. Is it Azal? Is it Azan? Is it Satazar? Or is it Azog? You could just be talking like... Yeah, I could just be making it up. I wouldn't know. What was the second one? Azan. Azan. Oh, it's Azal. Oh dear. Good old Azal. I guess I'll be remembering that fun fact for about two minutes before I just forget it for the rest of my life. Have you watched The Demons? Let us know in the comments down below. Or don't. In The Demons, what was Bok? What was Bok? What was Bok? What was Bok? Ah, Bok. The fond memories I have of Bok. What was he? Bok? Was he a robot? Is it Finanza? Yes. No. What was he? He was a gargoyle that comes to life. How is that guessable? Oh, you're not Bok the gargoyle. What do I think of The Demons? I think of like gargoyles. I don't know what The Demons is. What are the only two doctors not to have come face to face with the Cybermen? That is difficult because when you say it's not true, can you just possibly... One of them is technically not true. Yeah, well that's the ninth doctor. But then... Who's the other one? I'll give you this. Nine is one of them. I think it's the third doctor. It is not. It specifically states, the third doctor did not have a full adventure but met them in the five doctors. So it counts that. That is so sneaky. The other one was Magan. Of course.  Yeah, it's the ninth doctor you used. It specifically says, first defense. I knew it meant like ninth doctor but then that... Paul Magan, that's sneaky though. That is sneaky. That is sneaky. Oh dear. It went behind my TV. Well, he'll find that about three years. Yeah. Now, do you remember that bit in the TV movie where the Sideman pokes his head out of the morgue? It was like, hello. Has he looked like a snake as well? He does, yeah. Okay. What a weird story. Cyber snakes. I love it. When the tenth doctor is face with the Sikrax, there's your monster mention, in his pajamas and dressing gown, which famous comedy character do you like in himself too? Oh, no, I know this. Arthur Dent. Yes. Yes. Well done. Oh, I know my tenor. In Forest of the Dead, what name did the acronym CAL stand for? So, C-A-L, what did it stand for? Oh, that is dirty. That... Guess along at home. I can give you one of them and then you can try and guess the other two. Go on. The L stands for Lux. Right. Because I would have said Loverie. So they would have that straight away. Straight away. It's already going well. Lux. Do you remember the story? What was CAL? Yeah, I kind of vaguely remember what CAL was. But Lux doesn't help. The first half of CAL Poll. That's what it stands for. I don't know. I don't know. It is Charlotte Abigail Lux. It was the name of the computer woman person. Right, right. It was the... Yeah. With whom did the eleventh doctor visit California at Christmas 1952 alongside Abigail Pettigrew? Does it mean the guy or the celebrity? Because there was... Ah, the guy. Oh, Kazran. Was it? Kazran Sardek? Yeah, I don't even like that episode that much. Do not. No, it's fine. I mean, it's better than the Doctor the Widow the Wardrobe. That's not saying much, is it? No. I actually... I can't even remember that and I'm just rewatching. So there we go. Merry Christmas. Happy Christmas. It's January. It is January. In fact, this probably came out like February 1st. Which escapologist do both the third and thirteenth doctor mention to that they had spent time with? Oh. An escapologist. And the thirteenth. Isn't that me? Yeah. If you do need... I mean, do you... Is that your answer? Yeah. Yeah. Right, I thought that but I'm thinking that doesn't sound right for some reason. I can't work out why. Escapologist. I thought you'd get messed up in the word. Four to George, three to Jack. What was the name of the planet that the Byzantium crashed on following the weeping angels to regenerate in the means of the dead? And there are multiple choices for this one. Let me have a think first. So, the planet... Still from the moon. For some reason, I feel like a cheer sprung to mind. I know it's not that. So it's either alfava metraxis, alfava and mover, alfava metroncos, or alfava metropole. It's not words. No, they're not. Off that, maybe you just passed out one day. Just like the weeping angels. Yeah. I'm going to go with whatever the fourth one was. Alfava metropole. Yeah, sure. That's a horrible incorrect answer. It's the first one. Oh, no. Alfava metraxis. How did I not know? Metrosis, I don't know. Was it scarrow? That's a horrible question. I can't challenge anyone to get that one.  I can't tell you're enjoying. Go to bed. In which month of the year did the 10th doctor regenerate into the 11th? What month of the year? Oh, I didn't know because it should be. Hang on. In terms of us watching it. Yeah, like the release. When did he regenerate into January? Yeah. First. In his January. Damn, I was hoping he was going to say December. Yeah, because he- Cush on knowledge. You know what Buffalo Manera is? Because then the 11th hour is technically set at, like, March, isn't it? We're just meeting. That wasn't the exorcist. What is this? What kind of strange weapon does Rory's father, Brian, use to fight off a pterodactyl? Oh, trowel. It's trowel. Yeah. That's too easy. Thanks, Brian. Shout out to Brian. You've got Doris. I've got Brian. Cheers, Doris. I'm going to ask this only because it links into the last question. I think that's funny. Right. What type of ball does Brian throw at Tricy the Triceratops? What type of ball? Well, the joke was it was his ball, wasn't it? But that was sort of what we did in the episode. It'd be ballsy to put that on the ground. Yes, it would. So if I get this right, I have one, man.  Yeah, what do you do? I didn't think that one through. It's golf ball. A very grassy golf ball. And with that question... Here we go. Georgie Sheard has won. Doctor Who, to reveal pursuit. How are you feeling? I'm pretty excited to rob you of a book. Well, as you say, you get to choose one of these. You've got Tyblash, Keys of Marinus, Frontios, Rose. I think I know exactly which one I'm going for. I think I know a little bit of Rose. You're going to go for Rose. That's all right. You say? This feels a bit... This isn't a rob. And for winning, Trivial Pursuit, Rose. There we go. Written by Russell T. DeVise. DeVise. You've got... Bracelle to DeVise. I wonder what he's doing now. Probably not up so much. Yeah. I don't think. That's fat. I've never read this. I was always meant to go. Well, I'm happy to help by losing a Trivial Pursuit. There we go. Thank you very much. Yeah. That's amazing. Tune in next time where George won't be here.