And we're live. I'm Anthony dream Johnson co-founder of the red man group CEO president of the man's fear commander-in-chief of 21 convention 22 convention and various other things like 21 studios Today's episode is episode 103 of the red man group masculinity after the pandemic Joining me today on the show returning guests and panelists to the show Texas Dom from top to bottom here on the panel Texas Dom from Texas Dom calm Steve the Dean Williams from the man mindset calm and George Bruno You can find on YouTube at George Bruno big channel about hundred and forty some thousand subscribers now Gentlemen, thanks for joining me on the show today Pleasure glad to be here. Thank you, ma'am So before we get into today's content everything our sponsor, of course is you're looking out of here the 21 convention Tickets are on sale to the 21 convention paid track edition. 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So I mean the corona doesn't change what I do So I just been doing some I won't cut some effing man attitude videos and Not meditation, but meditation of guys To give them more inspiration and you know drive forward man Nice. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, it's been similar for me Not much of my personal life has changed like I'm still work from home for 10 years now.  How about you? How's it going up there here in the Philadelphia area, right? Yeah, yeah, well the salon I work at has closed for obvious reasons and I just did a podcast Literally 10 minutes ago with a woman who's a legend in the salon and the beauty industry in the mid-atlantic states and We're talking about rollouts of phase one phase two phase three of how Literally, there has to be a literal complete disinfecting of our area in between haircuts and hair services and Do we absorb that charge or do we? Create a surcharge and how much will that be because I have to wear gloves a mask a gown a face mask and Disinfect everything I can't use the same tool from client to client like the same pair of scissors literally I'm gonna have to have Multiple sets of everything because disinfecting You dip your Tools into barberside they have to stay there for ten minutes. So I can't see back-to-back clients Literally People there's no waiting rooms anymore. No magazines and waiting rooms the salon and barbershop industry has been absolutely 100% turned on its head and So we're all kind of reinventing ourselves. That's one job. My other job is working at the prison which They started out taking our temperatures before we enter in the building and then The coronavirus started spreading within All the buildings that I work in so now Damn nobody from the outside can go in and It's been a real shit show on on that prison campus and then I'm noticing that With my YouTube and social media The Gestapo is blocking a lot of videos and blocked like when you when you look at Comments on YouTube There's there's comments and then there's potential spam and then potential bad stuff and My viewers who even mentioned You know any of the any of those key words that are real bad right now They are being put into a section where I can't even click the check mark and their Comments appear under my video Because if they say if they say any of the words which I'm not gonna say right now They are not even Visible on my YouTube channel and people people have emailed me and say why are you blocking my my comments? I said I'm not I'm not doing a thing.  I follow Tim pool sticks and hammer and all I knew stuff like that Yeah, a few of them have been able to grow like sticks and hammer, but yeah, it sucks man. It's a lot It's it's it's both.  How's You and Steve are both in tax. Yeah, you know Texas is pretty good. I mean, we don't have I think in my county We've got 178 cases or something I'm not used to working from home all the time I work from home You know a couple days a week here and there, but you know being here is fine I'm blessed with a really to have you know build a really nice house I got a lot of square feet and a lot of you know acreage move around all that So it's not like I'm stuck in a thousand square foot apartment right now. That's that's a good thing My wife and I just get to spend more time together, which is always a good thing Yeah, there you go. I feel for I feel for guys that are bad relationships So they're stuck with their stuck with somebody right now. They probably don't want to be with but that's only gonna exacerbate the divorce industry I guess I think the other thing is I'm trying not to absorb too much information I'm trying to cut back my media consumption because I noticed that You can you can get bogged down for two hours plus just watching the press conferences every evening And there really isn't anything or shattering coming out of that at this point the first couple of weeks was kind of important But now it's kind of like me, you know And I'm finding myself more at peace than I was originally, you know I've been I've been watching this thing since January and Trying to make sense of what was going on and and seeing seeing what was happening over there I never trusted the Chinese or anything like that. That's probably one of the dirty words But at the same time I started prepping and I'm not a prepper I'm not the guy that goes out and you know buys 18 cases a total of paper in there's that crap But I make sure that we had stuff on hand so that when it did hit I don't have to go to the grocery store, but maybe about once a month right now and Pick up a few perishables and that's it. So we're in good shape.  So we write for your game prep I mean, I'm in one about right now where I'm at now is is I'm in one about 150 miles So, you know, yeah, we get the tail into hurricanes that come dripping through here. Got it. Got it.  I'm always prep.  Yeah, you know, you do you but we think about the toilet paper thing I mean the bottom line is that's a big shelf space item You can only fit so many of them in a truck and so many of them on a shelf, right? They take up a huge amount of volume and so that's why that's why there's a shortage, you know I'm just can't can't ship it.  I thought somebody might get it Let's talk about life after the pandemic, you know, who knows with you know, there's all kinds of opinions in the stuff, right? You know hoes conspiracy. It's real.  It's the end of the world. The economy's in a crash.  You could still drive everywhere. No one's getting arrested.   Let's say it was all let's go extreme conspiracy on It's complete nonsense.  Everyone's affected in some way.  So when we get back to normal or as things get back to normal How are things gonna play out and I think we should go through this kind of by like maybe politically maybe economics Maybe like relationships.  As masculinity going to be revalued or re-evaluated as a value in culture after this is it going to be long-term? Is it going to be temporary? Well, well, here's a here's a thing I can tell you about Tex and a white chocolate in myself And maybe a great you came You came in maybe a little bit later, but we all were born before the internet we we lived Before we before most of these people out here have web sites and stuff like that So and I just speak for me, but I guess the guys can understand what I'm talking about it to me It's just a normal is it me being a man is has nothing to do with what's happening on the outside world because I Didn't have the internet when I was young and I didn't have to worry about Trying to send a meme or a selfie or I need to be around people or You know my life, you know, I'm a gamer. I'm a I'm a nerd so I play video games So, you know, I'm I'm always in the house. Anyway, you know, I don't drink I don't smoke, you know, unless you know, you force me nothing, you know I want to talk about that a little dark dark moment when you call me but But what I'm saying is is that For me, it's just it's no different The only difference is I got to wear a mask and gloves just to protect myself So I don't get my family sick, but as far as masculinity goes, you know I always say every day rain it rains on a lion, you know, at least once or twice all day I mean, you know for a week or so, he's still a lion just because he's wet and he's got rain on him or Something bad happens. He's still gonna be a lion at the end of the day. So I just want to say that for me I I'm just marching along. This is just a bump in the road. I Don't feel that it's gonna change me. It's gonna change my family.  So I'm used to this. This is this is normal That is a good point that most millennials even me like I had a little bit I have memory before the internet was the thing but not much We got our first computer with internet access in 1998. So I was what nine ten years old at that point So I remember the world before the internet that I mean going to my grandma's house using a rotary phone Even a mountain house.    Yeah, so anyone else want to hop in on that just kind of general, you know feeling for it Yeah, I was fortunate enough to grow up with Grandparents and great grandparents great grandparents that were born in the 1800s damn pretty interesting right and When they talked about tough times it is What we are going through now is nothing like the tough times that they talked about It's nothing. These people stood in line for three hours for a loaf of bread Okay, we have access to whatever we want even in the toughest of times These are people who didn't have health insurance. These are people who trapped Rabbits and squirrels and it was in the stew pot that night that kind of thing so What's happening?  You know, I've been telling people for a week now be your own hero Rather than Put other people and other professions up on a pedestal And I think what what a great opportunity what a great time to be a man. It is good to be a man Yeah, you know, it makes me think of something George the way you're putting this describing it I've been thinking lately the past couple days If this whole coronavirus, you know, maybe physically and but I'm thinking otherwise in this context If it's gonna make a brush fire in terms I mean you could look at that from a business angle these businesses that were not being managed well From big to small right? I think these these big ones for example should not be the you know The airlines and shit got billed out.  Who cares if American Airlines goes bankrupt.  But leave it even small businesses are these these businesses that were just not run, right?  It's the fin And so the mass comes off and you know, what's behind that a lot of debt a lot of our lower leveraged stuff This and that but also you're saying with you know here with masculinity and with men And there's probably an equivalent there for the females too, right?  It's built on It's built on the momentum of an overly safe society that has so much wealth and so much momentum post World War 2 and stuff in America and the West You know we like you're saying we haven't been through serious hardship in a long time since the Great Depression probably In America and that I saw I was wondering to them people talked about that I hope that's a longer term thing But that people's attitudes towards money and saving and spending and things like that what they value will change I'm a little bit pessimistic that the changes from that won't be permanent They'll be temporary because people are just kind of traumatized and freaked out Unless unless it gets worse unless there's like for example a You know breaking the supply for grocery stores and all of a sudden for two weeks no can get food and you know people are Spare one and shit Text you want to hop in yeah, I was gonna say when we talk we're talking original question about masculinity was changing I'm seeing this whole thing in In two distinct two distinct groups every single Sub-topic that we're gonna talk about it seems like there's two groups There were the guys that sort of had their shit together going into this thing and have maintained their frame And there's guys that are now the other group is well, they're probably three groups I guess there's no the group now that's sitting back saying man I wasn't ready for this and I got caught with my past now This is not gonna happen to me again, and then there's just the ones that are flipping out But you got you got two distinct Americas right now You got half of America still has her job, you know the other half is out and doesn't have any income coming in and that skews the thinking quite a bit and so I Just I see this thing as an opportunity. I see it as a blip in the radar I don't think things are gonna go all the way back to the way that they were You know we tease my dad really just relentlessly about how frugal he was all those years You know he's always you know pinching a penny and the joke was you know Copper wire was invented because my dad's brother were fighting over a penny, you know that type of thing and and looking back at that That's because he was born of the Depression era, you know And he went through that and had to wait and had rationed butter and eggs and things like that so You know I don't think we're gonna go back to the way it was I think people are gonna be a little bit more in tune with their family and their friends and what's important to them And what's important to what you can touch around you right now because that's all you have and people that are flipping out that have completely lost their social lives It's an interesting thing to watch and I think I think we come out of this better when this whole thing is said and done Yeah, I think it's been a good gut check and a good reality check for a lot of people But also with with women in particular too, I think You know I have Instagram obviously like everyone else and on my personal account and there's a business accounts been personal account all these women Follow me if all them what not and just seeing them get like in on ten or two You could see a fucking board there. They talk about it board board board board board board At least in America anyways is what you see. I don't think you would see this for example in Poland But what you know, you're not saying what you're not saying is 21 genders what you're not seeing is Everybody identifying this that the other you're not saying you want to say there's no feminist in a lifeboat You don't see anybody talking about strong independent women right now.    It was what I think it was in Australia actually is what it was It was an economic recovery thing that was focused on women and it was very specifically hostile to like single fathers So it was like favoring single mothers and then just disparaging against single fathers or discriminating against that I don't know if you guys saw that but But that's that's pretty minor that like most of that you're not seeing a lot of that I think and I I guess we could talk about why but Yeah, in a lifeboat or an emergency situation Whatever the actual visit whatever the final reality of it is everyone's freaked out and all that You know Janice fuming on when I had her in this show.   It's it's insane how much we've had and what we continue to have even now but Let's talk about something here too, so Well turn figure I want to take this Let's talk about long term is feminism gonna die I mean, I think I want it to die. I want it to end but is this gonna be a nail in the coffin I don't think it's sustainable as an elective philosophy Because it doesn't make sense it it it's feminism pretty much is the destruction of a species Yeah, you do need a man you do need a man you do And you need a man badly If you want to procreate you can't I mean sure you can go buy semen sperm At a sperm bank or something like that, but the reality is It's it it's destruction of the species.   They got families. They've been shipping the kids out They've been doing everything they got to do but now they're all staying home together and they're starting to realize Hey, this is this is pretty cool, right? So maybe we see a little increase and stay home moms Maybe we see people saying okay. Look, you know, we we've got one good income coming in Let's see if she can do something a little less full-time And maybe we start to come pull back a little bit and and the family becomes a little more important I mean you got you got I'm walking my neighborhood every day every evening, right? I got dads out now They're throwing Baseballs with the kids and kicking soccer balls that I didn't see three months ago, right? I mean It's like I'm seeing people outside talking to their neighbors. Yeah, they're six feet away But they're all they're all socializing a little more. You know, I'm I'm still seeing some positive shit come out of this And then hopefully Feminism takes it down a notch or two because now there's more important things to talk about Yeah, right Yeah, I've seen the same thing in my neighborhood and I've gotten to know my neighbors a little bit better since it started But same thing you see people kids playing outside and then parents That you don't normally see Rarely if at all they were seeing that and yeah, I agree too that you're seeing I mean how many women just lost their jobs who are waitresses or bartenders and shit like that They are now if they were married or whatever or in a relationship now they're staying home all of a sudden Now all of a sudden they're cooking a lot more Basically, they're corona corona try and put them back in the kitchen Uh, I guess it took a virus to to accomplish that and I do think though that's that's in a it were most women I think you're going to be happiest, right? I've talked about that as many other speakers have in the convention stuff in the in the group Yes, the woman are happiest and it's I keep jumping in man, but the whole work from home thing right now That you know the office concept may be may be dying as well having to go into the office every day So if people are able to have more work-life balance and stay home more and hang out with their kids And you know, we're going to see homeschooling start to become a real thing Not just a handful of cooks now. It's going to be like maybe a big chunk of society Yeah, but not only uh homeschooling I was thinking y'all might laugh the two old heads here The driving theater You know there that might come back, you know, you can't be next to each other, but You know a lot of places are dying out now that gyms, you know, how the gyms going to function with people and things like that so Yeah, I gotta I gotta make a confession here. I've never been to or even seen a driving theater in my life I think there I think there's one and I'm serious man I've never seen I think there is one in my hometown somewhere But I've never I don't my sister went to it once when we were in high school I think or she was in high school I've never I've never I don't even know where the fuck it was at growing up like no one went to it And no one stuck your buddies in the trunk and everybody gets in for free Yeah, this just do when I grew up in the 90s. It's just in the 2000s This just didn't there's got to be still some in florida.  Yeah, we were so cheap. We were so cheap my dad would he would Pop up a whole ton of popcorn this big tupperware thing, right? We brought our popcorn with us We didn't get to go to the concession stand at the drive-thru, right? We had our our little things of Kool-aid, right and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, my family was big on that growing up. It was it was hilariously good So let's talk about uh for a second. Let's let's focus on an optimistic view or I I guess pessimistic or realistic view long term So I think some of these changes so my opinion and let's talk about this Some of the effects and changes we'll see from this situation are going to be long term They're going to stick and some I think are going to be short term. They're not going to stick I think homeschooling for example is one that will stick I think we're just seeing uptick in that because people are going to experience it Their kids are going to be happier. They're going to be happier. Uh, you know, whatever the the specific dynamics of it are The ones that are more pessimistic about a lot go back and forth on it are changes in female behavior uh, women, you know toning down some of the hoeing Revaluating staying at home more being a stay at home mom Maybe thinking more seriously about motherhood a young age wife, you know getting wiped up being you know Entering into marriage rather than riding the cock carousel which has become normal until you're 29 30 trying to hop off of it You get into a short-term marriage divorce rape the guy A whole shit show with the kids that we've you know, you guys know this better than anyone So do you guys have any thoughts on what will stick long term and what will stick to short term and flip back to normal? because I could tell right now for example and We see the only fans some of the people in the chat here. We're talking about it All these girls trying to make money those loss of job are hopping on only fans And they value themselves at 4.99 a month, you know to see to see the new five bucks a month Um, and this is not even that surprising to me, right?  It's a it's a work from home version of being a sugar baby Uh things like that So do you guys have any thoughts on kind of the specific things that will stick long term? Or that will fizzle out and just be a short-term bounce? Well, well, I real quick. I think uh With I well and it's gonna sound crazy. I think what's good about this virus is that it shows Everybody where they are on the totem pole as far as being a man number one it puts It it it shows you your truth finally because now Those that have thrived to be men are always gonna thrive because you think about what we're doing like you were saying Anthony when you were in high school, they had a mind space. So let's take those women from that point till now That used to go out socialize club bars and all that They're going crazy out of their mind right now. They're starving for attention. They're they're starving They're starving for attention and the problem is for a lot of guys out here They don't know how to communicate or put flavor in their eyes with text messages or flavor in their ear You know doing this thing called getting on a telephone and talking They those guys are going to suffer the most because they've been left behind the curve It's like when I was young when when don't laugh at the they started coming out with computers and um technology to do HTML stuff and I was like That's not gonna last long and I got left behind You know you you get left behind if you don't catch up with what's going on And and for the men on this panel, they're going to we're all going to be fine because We we can go through Life and through problems and things like that before the regular guy that says well I I'll just put it off until tomorrow. It's no big deal. I won't save no money Nothing's gonna happen to me and all this other stuff They're getting the blunt of oh my gosh all these women are starving For a man. They're starving to just talk to a man And it's like the women are fighting each other to get the attention of men like y'all guys No, yeah, I've seen that on tender man. It's been I'm trying to get on bumble, too But I think they finally figured out how to ban me. I pride myself I'm being able to evade all sorts of tech bands like that from websites And I think bumble finally got me.    I'll send like a dot.  I want to get into Economic stuff and then the manosphere As being affected by the pandemic So economically, uh, you know, the economy is obviously in a recession right now That could get a lot worse. It could get better and bounce back sooner than later You know 10 years from now who knows what this kind of effects this will have but in the meantime It's been pretty rough on a lot of people In Orlando, I think especially in any kind of tourism based state or area Orlando is like, you know, one of the tourism capitals of the world I don't know what the unemployment is in Orlando, but it's got to be huge right now I mean so much of this city was dependent on universities hotels service industry bars I'll shoot like, you know, theme parks, obviously All these people are getting furloughed and laid off I've talked to I know hotel managers and service people in Orlando just from the convention And do 90% of them are furloughed or laid off. It's all all toast So what do you guys think about that how men can respond to that and how that's going to play out However, whatever kind of angle you want to look at it from micro or macro, I suppose I I look at it this way. I believe it was Galileo that said Prosperity reveals genius Or no, pros prosperity conceals genius and adversity reveals it There's the kind of person that's just going to give up and say we're we're doomed I can't it's a shit show. We're doomed I hope the president can save us. I hope, you know, that kind of thing And then there's the person that says, okay Like Agnieszka sent me a picture of a of a guy cutting hair through like a takeout window he had gloves on and the person was The client was sitting in a chair outside the barber shop and the barber's hands were through the window Not coming in contact with the person Or the nail, you know, the pedicure manicure people putting their hands Through a nail slot, you know in a door and the nail artist, you know doing the nails So the adversity is is bringing the genius out of a lot of people Uh, I don't have it within me to wave the white flag of surrender My mind is constantly thinking. Hmm. What new industry is being created through quarantine and lockdown? How can I How can I pivot? With changes in my industry and one up it You know in the hair industry, uh, I will say that The leader in the hair industry is going to be The person who can prove that they are the cleanest and the most sanitized and the most disinfected Come to the most sanitized salon in montgomery county. I mean that right whoever thought that that would be a selling point, you know or In other industries in the coaching industry, there are there are Oaches and red pill guys who make a living out of busting people's balls How about and those that don't bust balls who show a little bit of compassion?    Yeah, I know men that are taking advantage of the situation right now. They've got They got they got laid off furloughed. We're gonna call it And they've got you know, some government money coming in They got an extra 600 dollars on their employment and they're and they're retooling their careers right now They're either taking some courses or they are, you know getting certifications to enhance their skills on the resume when they get back out Or they're completely changing line of work. So, you know what? I don't want to be in the line of work that A virus comes through people flip out and I'm out of work. I'm going to try to maybe go into air conditioning I'm going to go into being electrician or plumber or something and I'm going to work with my hands and I mean, I know men that are making career changes right now Starting a garage that kind of thing. I mean, I'm impressed As far as the rest of us.  I'm happy with what I do I'm taking this time to be at home to clean up my database like on my salesforce.com and things like that all these different opportunities that I've had Jammed up the system because I haven't had time to sit down and work through it all I'm preparing myself to when this thing is over that I'm just going to come blow the doors off this thing For the next six months as soon as we all get to start trying one again You know and that I'm going to prepare myself to get to that point other than sitting here feeling sorry for myself Or working at maybe 30% of output like some people. I know we're chicken little and the sky's falling and should like that Yeah, I'm watching fox news all day long because oh my god. Yeah, what's that? You know or the or price of oil Or you're flipping out about everything, you know, you know, maybe you guys have seen this too, but um my understanding of history and it's not super Super knowledgeable on this but I have read a little bit. I think there's a lot of great companies built during the depression Uh, I think disney is one of the examples and there's a few others at the time that we know today They're huge That really got their maybe not literal start during that time But they survived and surviving through that is is a big part what led them to be the companies they are today Love them or hate them, right?   We're cranking out content on youtube Like you guys have seen every day of the week two videos a day And that's been going for a long time What we have such a backlog like you mentioned the database, you know tech Because you're you know, you do sales and stuff. It's different different industry than me But as an entrepreneur and a business owner, we have a huge backlog of content from 2016 2017 2018 Those are minor but 2019 is huge.  It's crazy. Hey man, my october my october 2018 just came out I'm thrilled to death man. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, man. Hey, take Let me for the virus. It's still be in the vault somewhere, you know Yeah, it probably might take a few more months I get to know no matter what I get to things that might take me longer than usual Or longer than you would expect but I always get to it man, I'm a word But yeah, I really think that a lot of it like looking around me my own business and then there's the businesses I see on online and just you know around the world around at least around florida The ones that survive this are the ones who are going to thrive and surviving like Ivan says I've been thrown that I don't know the exact quote but surviving is like the ultimate affirmation of of your own life Is that the fight like, you know, george is talking about I don't have the will of the way of the white flag I mean either fuck yeah Because you have the will to survive you have the will to kick ass you have the will to be creative and do whatever it takes To adapt and survive There was a guy There was a guy at a restaurant. You know what I find interesting Go ahead Let's go say there was a guy on tv the other night at a tampa that Manages the multi-chain of restaurants and he said we just went out and bought five vehicles He said we would have never been doing our own delivery services had it not been for this But and the host was like you just bought five. Yeah, I just bought five cars I'm an adult of my own stuff now, right? So they're changing their mindsets. Go ahead george. I didn't mean to interrupt Yeah, you know we thinking of Ivan thrown, you know, it's a dark world and We know Ivan we've learned to love him and That's the way he talks. It's a dark world. Okay, all of a sudden now he makes sense doesn't he? When things were going great Ivan might have seemed a little bit extreme right now He's kind of like the voice of of sanity at this point, isn't it? And I think He's the kind of guy that lives mentally prepped. He might not I don't know if he's a physical prepper But he's a mental prepper right now Guys like Ivan are making a heck of a lot of sense Yeah, and I'm glad I never discarded people and wrote them off as an alarmist or anything like that because some of the preppers that people are People were breaking their balls all of a sudden now prepper videos are some of the most watched videos how to dig a well water Air quality how to make a mask. I mean just like the real basic stuff. It's kind of interesting and I'm finding that people who who realize that the world can be a very dark place because I Have no use for the always happy person who puts their head in the sand and People like Ivan someone someone might have said at one point you're so negative dude Why are you so negative and he? He is a great example of just not really caring what people think Because he really is right about these things and like right now Holy cow His stuff is making sense. It's blowing my mind and I'm thinking that The people who were what I would call alt thinkers Are now coming to the forefront five years ago David Ike Might have been considered a crazy conspiracy theorist is His conversation with brian rose on london real Has become one of the most watched videos in youtube history Why do you think that is all of a sudden conspiracy theorist isn't so crazy anymore? Yeah, no, there's a lot of people like you know, I I remember when texts and socrates in particular I would talk to me about the virus before it happened And one of our attendees to that I know pretty well And I was skeptical it was going to be as big of a deal as they said it was And but I was prepped anyway with hurricane stuff. So I was not personally I wasn't freaking out But uh, it was amazing to see these guys be right I mean hit the nail on the head Sock in particular had a lot of he was you know coming over the house for hanging out stuff drinks You know pipe smoking and stuff And he did he gave me some masks and shit because the mask was the one thing I couldn't get in time I missed the window on that but he gave me a few Some hand sanitizer. I've already had a bunch So yeah, it was interesting to see these guys these preppers be proven right Finally, you know their their day has come But I think you know, we had pierrot san giorgio on the show from the polling convention on a few weeks ago And I think he said if I'm quoting him right that you know, this is really This is not even a really major shit at the fan scenario.  It's not uh economic collapse Didn't just happen Things are still moving along people are still people are still working obviously working from home what not Things are opening back up in florida soon other states the southern states georgia's doing stuff now, right? You know travels are restricted, but you know have millions of people died. No Is is the world ending Apparently not things are the internet still working fine.  Wait that could kill me So a lot of guys in the in the mid 80s started saying okay late 80s and we'll start settling down and start having a family I think that's what we're going to get out of this Yeah, murphy did a great routine on that if you remember his uh I forget it was eddie murphy raw Where he did a whole thing on sexually transmitted diseases and how these things have progressed and I I seem to remember him talking about there's gonna We're gonna get a disease soon where you stick your dick in her and it explodes or something like that and So that kind of humor it you know as dark as it is I think it's it's Creating a little bit of pause for everybody in every industry every Philosophy every approach in life Uh, I my supermarket just became the gestapo recently and that was interesting.   It's a lot more relaxed brivard county Yes, yes, but you're seeing you're seeing people out there That like you said they didn't ask no one asked for this And you're seeing people there where you're starting to see the cracks forming You're starting to see the stress coming out and you start to see you're starting and to me I was talking to the guys in fraternity or the night. I'm like, you know what?  We're all prepared. We all kind of just walk coming. We all Have framed they don't right? So How are we going to help them get out of this whenever they start to get back to normal again? And I just think being being a being a good human being is a great place to start Yeah, yeah, I agree. You are so right tax. You are just you are so right about that. I literally had to dial back my attitude And uh, I learned a lesson I learned a lesson and the person who taught me that was somebody who spent a a lifetime career in retail supermarket stuff and You know, it made sense to me and it and I ended up changing my attitude and having a little more respect For the stock boy in the supermarket who is now told he has to be the Person who is allowing People in and checking for masks and spraying down the shopping carts.  You know anything I touch I use hand sanitizer, but other than that, I don't fucking care I think the chance of me dying from this thing or even being hospitalized are very very low Now I don't want to get anyone else sick obviously and as far as I know i'm not sick, but Yeah, those people freaking out and a lot of it's one of the things too is this is you know tangent But I think a lot of people that have used the masks and this and that they don't understand how these things work Like masks get dirty and you can't just reuse them necessarily especially without disinfecting them So I think people I see people wearing masks and it's just sometimes I get the feeling like this person doesn't know Why they need to wear a mask?  They're not delaying that And I just want to let the single dads out there that are paying child support. I am one of them I am one of those guys that is paying child support I'm getting all kinds of relief from all of my creditors all everyone that I owe money to On a on a regular with my bills my normal bills child support has not sent me Domestic relations department where I live has not sent me anything that says We understand you're going through something and and we're going to be a little bit more relaxed They are still demanding That child support happens.  You will go to jail. I don't want to be the guy that says you know Uh to not not pay it if you can if it's within your ability keep doing it because if you stand before your magistrate And have to make an excuse Pandemic is not going to cut it He's not going to cut it They expect you to to sacrifice before your kids do They don't care They don't care and that's something let's be clear about anyone talk about yet Nobody has even mentioned this at all anywhere. No, I support.  I think child support is evil. It needs to be abolished 100% is my opinion as far as government mandated child support. It's horrible. It subsidizes a big problem It subsidizes and enables and fosters more divorce more breaking up of families and it's unaccountable anyway These women aren't required to to show receipts what they spend money on which which in my opinion is That would be rationality for that that arrangement 101 if you're going to be getting, you know $800 a month or something from, you know, your ex-husband You need to show receipts for $800 of how that money was spent for children Yeah, yeah, they need to be reformed. I think the uh medicaid systems in many states they used to send Checks and then they started sending what do they call them like ebt cards? And you could not use the ebt cards. I know in pennsylvania for uh lottery tickets alcohol that kind of stuff So they were kind of for the people that were getting cash assistance otherwise known as welfare um, they did restrict and they did kind of They're doing the I think they're doing the best they can to Uh encouraging people to spend that money on food and you know, the things that they That are necessities if that was brought over To the child support world I we'd see a heck of a lot less manicures and pedicures. Yep It needs to happen I don't know how to make it happen and i'm sure other people thought of this too in the man's sphere The man's rights guides especially but that needs to happen Yeah, a woman will have the many you bring that up in any serious context.   I wanted to get to a few of them I do have some more topics. I'm gonna get into that some some tangents Where is it here? So a pretty simple question some people have suggested and I think this could be true but As lockdowns wind down and things like that and bars open back up. There's going to be like a surge to basically Go to your local bar get shitfaced and hook up I think this is possible with the exception of Government mandated things that bars follow reduced occupancy, you know should like that But i'm sure that i'm sure the there's a lot of pent up people aren't distressed out They're also kind of pent up and they're they're cooped up at home a lot of them, right? The ones that aren't working at the grocery store or whatever So what do you guys think about uh, just you know hookup culture?  It's for what can you do for me? I haven't made I haven't made my webcam My webcam needs to be paid my nail. I need to go to george to get my hair done I need to get more clothes. I need to get my lifestyle back.  So I think it's going to go in two different ways. Yeah. Yeah You know, I have an opinion on that I I think um for me My sex drive is not Uh It's not a priority like it was when I was younger. I don't have any less of a sex drive Then I had when I was 25 or 30 years old, but I will tell you this I've learned to prioritize and I have come right out and this is all I think all boyfriends And girlfriends who can't see each other or people in long-distance relationships You just need to have the talk have the skype talk with your partner and say Are you able to do this now that we can't see each other or we don't know when we're going to see each other Are you able to do this? Yes or no? And I think it opens up It opens up a great opportunity to talk about the relationship and loyalty because We now have the possibility of some of the biggest lies to be told Oh, you're my only guy. You're the only one for me. I would never do that That being one of the biggest lies or Something like Yes, I'm willing to wait for you. I'm willing to wait till this passes And I think all couples that are in those kind of relationships really need to have that Have that conversation. I think it's important Uh Trust is either going to be busted or trust is going to be completely Uh made during this period of time. So I think um The pandemic is showing how loyal and how how far down People's routes go in that relationship. It's like boiling. It's like boiling the relationships like water or polarizing it. Yep Can you can you trust the woman that you can't see on a daily basis or a weekly basis? Can you trust her or for the women that are watching? Can you trust the man that you only see on the weekends? You know, I mean the door swings in both directions So I think what's happening is it's purifying a lot of relationships I feel fortunate at my like that purifying yeah I in a few months I'm going to be 60 and I honestly I feel very fortunate that I've learned to kind of prioritize what's important for me and I don't have to go out and Get laid. I don't that gorilla is in the back seat Now it's no longer in the driver's seat in my life And I think a lot of the older guys might be able to relate to that but I think um you know, there's There's never a downside To saying to her can you do this? Are you able to do this thing? Because the last thing you want to do is after the pandemic goes In a year or two down the road.   I just kind of like physically. I don't say anything But the first thought that comes in my head. I was like, I wonder if she's had three abortions Because I'm like, there's no this girl's super hot.  She's been with three guys. I wouldn't even believe nine Not even not even for a second even tripling the number. So I'm like I was like wonder if she had three but where did the number come from?   They'll ask a woman They won't say how many children do you have? They will say how many pregnancies Have you had a woman might have three children But may have had seven pregnancies Whoa We got super chat here. Thank you very much. Uh, super nifty susie one five bucks I'm a 29 year old in-shape woman. Have I hit the wall? I have limited dating experience I'm also considering breast implants to enhance mass and v Wow, this is the exact kind of girl I target on tender And bumble Well, usually like early 30s because at that by that point they have the breast implants because they all do this I'm not I'm not gonna make it funny by the way super chatter. I appreciate it But I love checks of fake tits and they're all like early 30s when they're still fresh usually So or they have like another round of it if they had kids earlier in their 20s. I've seen that too Anyone want to take this I could tap into it. Yeah, I will I I think the wall there's two types of wall. There's the Uh, there's the mental wall. There's people and we know people that are much older or younger mentally Okay, and then there's people who have had it, you know, what do they call like a rough paper route? You know that kind of wall and I will say um I know women my age that are beautiful and I love trolling I love trolling the you know the the hardcore red pill guys. I'll just Tweet something like a woman doesn't hit her peak till she's 65 because I know that'll dominate all of their YouTube Shows for the next week or two Uh, but I I know women back when I was doing dating sites I'd see women my age Who look horrible And I've seen women my age who look wonderful and I always said that how you look now really is the Is the result of what you've done for the past decade So I think if a woman takes care quote-unquote takes care of herself There is a there is such a thing as aging gracefully And I don't want to I don't want to be one of those guys that jumps in and says Men age like wine and women age like milk. It's like you Like I don't feel the need to put other people down to elevate myself I know plenty of women 60 years old that are freaking gorgeous beautiful And I have zero issues with that I have zero issues with that To tag on to what you're saying a little bit george. Let's get Texan too Uh, I think the reason that that's said the man's fear I think there's some truth to it that men age like uh, men age like wine women age like milk But I think it's a generality and dude in real life. It doesn't always work like that There are some women who actually get hotter as they age to some extent Maybe at 21 they're kind of an ugly duckling.  Sometimes they age really well george you and your brother a great example that Your brother is 57. I think you're 59.   That's kind of where I was going to go with this thing I mean if you're if That's the wall that I'd be worried about if I was a woman that was 29 I mean at what point am I not going to have kids anymore? You know, what point is it not smart to have kids anymore that type of thing? I mean as far as beauty, there's always going to be some guy somewhere You know that part goes. Uh, yeah, the the jokes about the wall are the jokes Um, I think that you you can either see beyond that or not I think the taking care of themselves is a big deal a really big deal Uh, a woman that you know takes care of her face and that kind of thing Um, you know puts moisturizer on every night when she's 22 and 24 and 28 because she knows when she's 60 It's going to pay off right or she has this this thing Um, I think the yeah the wall the wall takes no prisoners, right as far as as age goes and beauty goes I mean you get lions and you get wrinkles and you get all these things.  I'm all about it. So yeah bolt-ons Well done bolt-ons.  Yeah, when you're done.  So the chick Most likely right not a hundred percent of the time.     Appreciate it eternal guard of christ five pounds looks like What's your view though the next decade or three that men should remove the 19th amendment and wipe its carnage historical legacy once and for all The 19th amendment is what happened Yeah, just just to clarify the 19th amendment's uh, you know, a woman getting the right to vote in america go ahead george That's never gonna happen. I'll never forget. Uh, one of the red live red man groups. I forget which Which conference it was and uh It came to the point where They asked drew bay whoever the moderator. What do you think he said? Eliminate women's right to vote and then there was this hush Not only amongst the speakers But even in the audience and I forget who was moderating at that point boy.       So you keep going ahead and saying that And just keep pushing people away Real smart move, dude real smart move This is the kinder gentler george brunette. Yeah, so let me let me go on this. I was He's right. I mean that's come on. You're not gonna repeal the 19th amendment. Get a grip Of course, you're not as far as the red man group before we get more into that question that topic I was on that show and that panel that happened and I think donovan was hosting. I remember it's on youtube You could see it. It's probably episode 36 red man group episode 36 should pull it up And uh, yeah, that was super awkward.   He's just in clients to him And just just spineless.   Yep, you know To me that's the little that's the that's where he just goes off. That's where like something that's just ain't right Yep So I think uh, so for example the 19th amendment my thoughts on it I shot back at him too immediately because I knew that was dangerous I'm like, dude, this is first of all, I disagree second of all Putting that those ideas and slapping the other speakers on here with that kind of branding those ideas is dangerous Everyone felt that it's like dude I don't when you when you endorse that shit and you just lob that at people in real life alongside you on camera It's like whoa, dude, not not cool So I had a crisis if you actually watched the episode I cracked down on him with it my disagreement My thoughts are that I remember that Yeah, that was that was hard That was hardcore virtue signaling on his part and he doubled down on it And uh, there was a a line in the sand created and a lot of guys He became their hero for saying that And he's never retracted it since and I'm sure this is going to give him some mileage in future episodes And all the little rollettes and little little robots are going to be calling him right now and uh, They're all going to be sending this particular episode to him I do not care. He's wrong 100 percent. Remember when George W. Bush said he wants to win the hearts and minds of the of the iraqi people drew bay Your philosophy is no way to win the hearts and minds of men and or women And I know you don't care about women So you're going to disregard what I have to say about that, but I'm telling you you're not doing a a uh, Uh, you're not doing a solid To men who are struggling right now You are you are hurting men with your attitude And I think that uh, you left your wheelhouse When it comes to fitness my god, you are fantastic and I will give you props there I love the fact, uh That your training methods are solid and I agree with them And I respect you for that but the minute you said that I lost all respect because that's impossible. That's like trying to suspend gravity It's not going to happen. Well, I got to tell you I had known that was 2018 and I had known drew bay, you know first personally I met him at his home back in 2009 I used to train me.  I'd known him at that point 2018 and I was I was pretty stunned. I was like, whoa And first of all, you know my thoughts on the second on the 19th amendment stuff like that repealing it Woman right to vote first of all, it's I think it's politically impossible even in the most dire The country will collapse before that happens. It's not going to happen. Correct.  You can't do it the second of all I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think it's just and I think it's fair. I don't think it's uh, American it's not freedom-based It's not in principle, right in terms of other countries found a declaration of independence and how the The trajectory of freedom has gone in the country To ban people from voting Based on the way they were born I don't think this is a good. It's not a good idea Now that's not to say though that women voting doesn't have serious consequences To find molly news done videos on this black pageant speaks on the consequences of women voting For example, the rise of socialism America the rise of the national debt has like skyrocketed since women got the right to vote Surprise woman.  Just gonna blow much money on it. What happens a woman vote? They blow money Now what I will say though is that there's probably a way to reform voting Away, uh, or make it make it better somehow. That's a big deal We're doing changing voting at all is it would be a huge deal But for example, I've seen it suggested you could do like, um, only people who like file taxes Even if you don't make any money as long as you know any kind of Baseline condition to be an eligible vote if you contribute.   These are people that insult an entire gender. I mean when I look at like janice fiamengo. Do you want her not voting?  She's still a woman She has nothing to teach us And I think that's where I separate and I saw that's where the separation started Am I still a red pill adherent? Yes, absolutely.  So Yeah, exactly. Many women need men and women need to be treated equally before the law regardless what the consequences are And I think that's what a lot of guys get really I think drew bay is basically just too stupid and too dumb Like low IQ or something like that if fitness advice aside I think there's something like wrong and it's how you say you're tartar or something He can't wrap his head around the fact that women voting has consequences But that doesn't mean you treat them unequally before the law not a good idea Anthony it's first signaling It's virtue signaling. He was drawing a line in the sand. He was making it very clear who he sides with And it's ridiculous Society is not going to change Just like gravity is not going to change if you say that you don't believe in it Yeah I'll say this too though, you know, look at this question is so eternal guard to christ put a follow-up comment I think it's pretty good My opinion is that only one can value individuality and freedom women however born dependent especially on strength and wisdom men I don't agree with that 100 but I think there's a reason he believes that and he's on to something You know women for example look at the libertarian party. I'm not a libertarian party member But I know the stats on it and like 70 of libertarian party is male Now, however goofy the libertarian party is they at least have a An explicit valuation of individual freedom individual rights and all that So why is it slanted so heavy to men the the democratic party and the republican party aren't like that They're much closer to 50 50, but the many you have a strong focus on freedom.  Uh, just their freedom and free speech For instance, uh, you know, let's start with small things. I've I have three children I've never been able to claim any one of my three children as a dependent But their mother does I pay child support, but I can't claim my children Yeah, I was talking to another guy that yes just yesterday about that same thing Uh, he can't claim it was dependent. Yeah, even if he pays child support on three kids the same thing Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Let's text you got to get going soon, but let's uh wind down the show a little bit Um, let's do a final round of thoughts on how the pandemic will affect the manosphere The manosphere is a distinct community Offline and online, right offline. There's events and meetups. Obviously that's has its own issues, you know with pandemic crap government stuff, whatever But online, I think we've seen some changes too I think uh, the men who like george is talking about that earlier These like fake these fake alphas these role playing dudes These guys who just scream at you for 500 bucks an hour on skype Or you know, whatever the minute per minute rate is their phone hooker is basically a calm How do you guys think the manosphere is going to be affected by this or what do you see happening so far? A lot of it's online anyway, so it didn't get uh, the manosphere hasn't been banned as of yet They were quarantined the communities like red pill and migthauer were quarantined before the quarantine So to speak So you guys have any thoughts on that and how things are going to change? I see it as the rise of private networks We talk about the fraternity of excellence. We talk about jack Murphy's got a group liminal order These are private behind the walls groups where guys can do their thing And not have to You don't be subject to the whims of youtube ceo Or facebook ceo or whoever else's twitter guys trying to you know police Bad thoughts and that type of thing. So you're going to see more of these small Society start to form And start to do a little more group think In private where we can actually express ourselves and do that kind of stuff So that's where I see the whole manosphere headed Yeah, I've seen I've seen jack Murphy saying the same thing and I agree on that that you'll see a lot of the internet I think not just the manosphere turn Away from these large platforms like reddit and facebook and go to smaller communities like foe like liminal order and stuff like that Uh, 21 university might have something like that at some point. It's just not a priority It's never been a priority for me to do that because there's other places to do that better And my focus of 21 has always been much more video based online than community oriented Oddly enough though, then in real life, it's a very much community thing. So Steve george any comments on the how the manosphere will progress over this next six months? And uh, maybe two years from this pandemic People uh, I think what's gonna happen I think that the private communities are going to do well. I was a guest on an foe call a couple weeks ago I was So impressed with that call tax you were on that as well I was impressed With the entire group of men and I think that is the future I think as far as um Uh, I think as far as the he-man woman haters club I think there's always a fresh crop Of men who are getting fucked over and their first The first thing that they need is emergent care And it seems like the red pill idiots seem to have cornered the market on that hurt angry man And then many of the guys outgrow it and I I know that because It emails from guys that were like Yeah, I was watching those guys are watching that show and they just seem so bitter. They seem so immature and I kind of like the more rational mature view of manhood And fathering and it's more balanced. It's peaceful. It doesn't seem as angry And but you're you're never going to have you're never not going to have a fresh crop of hurt angry men That that are just rolling out of the divorce machine And so I think the what I would call the real rational manasphere I honestly believe If we expand our borders to be um to understand the acute Pain Of a guy just coming out of it like listening to the show today There's somebody there's a man listening to this show right now Whose wife told him yesterday That she no longer wants to be married and that she has a boyfriend and that he has to move out Do we have something for that man as well as the guy who's been divorced 10 years? And I think it's making us think About the role not not every doctor is for every patient. We now have specialists There was a day when one doctor did everything. That's right now now. We have specialists and I think The rash the truly rational manasphere will Will contain men who can deal with the acute pain can deal with men Who are dealing with financial issues men who are dealing with Reconnecting with their children after being disconnected through divorce. Well, George I don't know if you know this but the tagline officially for the 21 convention still I don't use it as much publicly, but I've never actually formally changed it The tagline for the 21 convention is a panorama event for life on earth as a man Panorama meaning like a camera a panoramic view what angle comprehensive And I think that really when I started doing that that that kind of focused back in 2009 getting away from just pickup Pick up artistry and picking up chicks That really triggered a lot of men and that was back in 2009 2010 and the the manager then Yes, and I think it really upsets a lot of guys because a lot of guys I think they do get hung up on these these like very negative rabbit holes. They get stuck in And I think what it is is it's not just pain in getting stuck. It's like They're and self-improvement. We call them dabblers So there's these dabblers that they they float around youtube and self-help programs and stuff and they They'll even buy ship and they never do anything with it. They just want to feel it's like the fight club stuff Right, they want to feel like they they they achieve something They don't they want to put feathers with a button called themselves a chicken They don't want to they don't want to actually go, you know, do something to be something So I think the the negativity should hold the the uh the toxic version of the monastery talking about Yeah, they just feed on these guys pain and that's what these guys want the codependence They don't want to heal they should heal they should look deeper into their own soul and their own manhood and their own masculinity and get better and and You know, for example, find a more comprehensive way to look at life and to improve in life Not just with women, but with finally everything, right? Yeah, I think it go ahead steve. Oh, no, I Go ahead. I'll go after you go ahead finish.  They don't do anything with it They might read it.  They're hoarding self-improvement.  Okay. That's just how women are And unfortunately a lot of young men don't would rather take the shortcut of Blaming somebody else for his problems and what these guys are doing It's kind of like the super friends, you know, you got the super friends over here And then you got the legion of doom, you know, or the whole I think the legion of doom, whatever, you know You got the you know, the replicas of the good guys, but they're bad guys, you know and what they do is uh We're willing knowingly is that they prey upon that's the problem They prey upon these young men that are saying, okay I'm going through a divorce. I'm going through a bad marriage. I'm going through a breakup I'm going through hard times I need somebody to help me and what they do is they come in like that like I like, you know, I got you covered You know, I you know come with me, you know, like a cult following steve, you know what it is It's like from the matrix, if you remember the the saying it's another system of control Yes, they they they leave one just go right into another Right, it's it's like a lot of these young men pull from the umbilical cord of mom because dad's not there And they look put that umbilical cord into something and then they accidentally connected to these guys that say Okay, all we're going to do is keep whining like women keep complaining like women keep being gossip-filled And and this is what manhood is about and then when they hear gentlemen like Tex and White chocolate and yourself and things like that when they hear the the when they hear truth It comes as like it's cling on to them because they're like wait a second. That's your truth That's not the real world the the women are the scourge and you know and all this other stuff. So The world is going to look is this the it's the truth They're going to be more guys following those guys because everyone wants to take the easy route Everybody wants to blame and everyone wants to make excuses Well, you know what? You know what to uh, you know ddj's you know panels in the show We've had a lot ddj calls it the red pill a blind spot And that's where guys they basically hide in the cover of the manosphere. They say oh a man is here I'm this I'm pro men, right?      It's not always though going to be obvious scams like that There's uh with salesmen you have, you know amateurs you have experts and you have masters And the guys who are masters a lot of times are the best bullshitters. There's there's they're not even really good at selling It was good at scamming And the manager has always had that plague since the 1990s even in the 2000s And in some ways it's gotten better some don't it's gotten worse It is what it is I wanted to bring up something here too. Some guy was criticizing foe I thought maybe some of you guys could hop in on this but He said okay foe is literally a paid monthly membership.    There are hundreds of guys in this thing right now.  I'm gonna leave it at that No, I am Take that I want to say this.  So I'm sorry.  It's like this pseudo like low-key marks has been they have that no one can make any money and anyone trying to profit off of Their time and their most what is it saying right that I agree. I agree with it. It's very common Your time is your most valuable resource So what are these guys supposed to spend their time and their expertise and their life experience?   You're not entitled to it You're not entitled to my time texas time george's time The red man group is free because I think it should be not because you're entitled to it And it's a lot of free content that helps, you know millions of men this show and the 21 convention all these guys the content they do So yeah, this this marks this thing I'm not going to beat up and use about as bad as maybe tex and steve did but This like, you know, everything communists bullshit.  It means it means someone paid when people buy tickets to the convention They're spending over a thousand dollars over a thousand men have bought tickets to the convention over the you know Since 2007 because they believe in it because they think it's worth it They say that the ticket is worth more than the money.  I love it So yeah, this this free shit, man Yeah, if somebody's not if somebody needs to monetize to be able to make a living to be able to do this That means they're going to put out more content. You're going to get better content Whereas there's a guy that has you know, okay, this is just something I mean look at me, man Dude, it's I have a blog, right? I write it because it's fun. I'm enjoying myself. I'm making any money on it No, I got a real job that that keeps me pretty pretty happy and satisfied But my content is low. I mean, I don't I don't produce something every day All right, so when I something hits me, I write something that off would go These guys are putting out content. They're doing stuff 24 seven It seems like and and because they can because now they have the ability to so I used to be Don't monetize don't monetize.    Go find something else to do. That's fine. You can have your opinion I respect I don't respect that opinion, but you can have your opinion, right? Just go somewhere else. That's all I'm done. I'm out Yeah, let me let me actually show this guy here real quick. So I'm gonna pull up a video here that I think it's pretty useful for me.  Nope This is the one Like I just found it Yeah, here we go.  This has helped over a third of a million men You know, learn about the red pill learn about a game learn about understanding women keeping the wrong women out of your life Or bringing the right one into it depending on how you want to view it This has helped a lot of men and you know how this is filmed or how this is produced and published with money Because men bought tickets to the convention and they bought 21 university and they sent donations and whatever all advertising and stuff, right?  It's because men paid for it men supported it men And this has helped and you know, most these men didn't pay, you know How many men paid for this 200 men to for the convention here and then you know a couple hundred more and 21 you or something That has then you guys paying money has enabled this shan smith to reach.  I put my own money on the line Yeah, I don't know.  I got I got to run guys. I apologize, but All right. Thanks. Thanks coming on want to wrap up you guys visit text at texasdom.com And we're actually going to wrap up today. So anyway, it's been about an hour 45 Appreciate everyone's time. This has been episode 103 of the red man group You can find me on twitter at beach muscles. You can find text at texasdom.com George Bruno, I think at georgebruno.com and just on youtube type his name pulls channel up And of course you got steve at the manmindset.com See you guys next saturday for the next episode of the red man group at 11 a.m peace


In the United States, millions of people have been diagnosed with an opioid use disorder, and more than 80 Americans have died each day from opioid overdose. Where is this coming from? Well, most new heroin users start out on prescription drugs, prescription opioid painkillers. This is important because more than 200 million opioid painkiller prescriptions are still written every year. Did you catch that number? 200 million prescriptions every year in the United States, a number closely approximating the entire adult population. That's incredible. When you see something like the opioid addiction crisis blossoming in so many states around this country, said White House spokesperson Sean Spicer, the last thing we should be doing is encouraging people to smoke cannabis. But if opioid addiction starts with people taking prescription pain pills, maybe cannabis would reduce the problem by offering a substitute painkiller. Or you could see it going the other way, where cannabis acts like a gateway drug or stepping stone to harder drugs and could make the opioid epidemic worse. Well, first, does cannabis work? Is it a truly effective drug for pain that has been arbitrarily stigmatized and criminalized by the federal government, or is it without any medical benefit at all? And its advocates are just hiding behind a smokescreen pun intended of misplaced or deliberately misleading compassion for the ill. The official position of the American Medical Association is that marijuana has no scientifically proven currently accepted medical use for preventing or treating any disease. But what does the science say? Well, despite the widespread use of opioids, the majority of advanced cancer patients may die with unmet pain relief needs. And so adding cannabis may help as double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trials have found that cannabis compounds do produce pain relief, equivalent to moderate doses of codeine and opioid use to treat mild to moderate pain. But wait, if you're dying from cancer, don't you want the good stuff? Why not just crank up the morphine?   So that's where cannabis may help, allowing someone to drop the opiate dose down a bit without compromising pain control. That's what many report anyway. If you look at New England, which is like ground zero for the opioid epidemic, there were enough opioids dispensed from main pharmacies in one year to supply every person in the state with a 16-day supply. What are they doing up there? But among New Englanders' surveys were on opioids, most claimed that they reduced their opioid use since they started medical cannabis. Some also reduced their use of anti-depressants, alcohol, and anxiety medications, migraine meds, sleeping pills. 40% said they were able to reduce their opioid use a lot. It may even reduce the use of crack. It may seem strange to give drugs to drug addicts, but if people even partially switch from more to less harmful drugs, overall harm may be reduced. So what happened after medical marijuana laws were passed? Did opioid overdoses go up, stay the same, or go down? They went down. Medical cannabis laws are associated with significantly lower opioid overdose mortality rates, about a 25% lower rate of overdose deaths. The striking implication of which is that medical marijuana laws may represent a promising approach for stemming the opioid overdose epidemic. If true, this finding upsets not only the apple cart of conventional wisdom regarding the public health implications of marijuana legalization, but also of its medicinal usefulness. Here the AMA is saying it doesn't do anything helpful medically, but if people are getting enough benefit to cut down on their prescriptions, then obviously something's going on. What about other prescription drugs? Once medical marijuana laws were passed, fewer people were filling prescriptions for not just painkillers, but anti-anxiety drugs, anti-depressants, anti-nausea drugs, anti-psychotics, anti-seizure drugs, and sleeping pills. If all states did that, then that could save around a half billion dollars a year. But the half billion taxpayers save is the half billion drug companies lose. So no wonder the drug companies are freaking out. Why do you think pharmaceutical corporations were major sponsors of the marijuana prohibition lobby, trying to stop legalization? The makers of OxyContin, Vicodin, other major funders of the opposition, included the beer industry and the private prison industry.