This is Conrad Nagel inviting you to stay tuned for the next half hour for one of radio's outstanding dramatic productions on Proudly We Hail Proudly We Hail And now another Proudly We Hail one of radio's outstanding dramatic half hours transcribe coast-to-coast in cooperation with this station and presented by your army and your Air Force From Radio City, New York, here is your host and star on Proudly We Hail the distinguished star of the theater screen radio and television Conrad Nagel Thank You, Kenneth Banghart. Hello everyone. Welcome again to Proudly We Hail. Conrad, what's the title of our play? Kenneth's titled Lady on the Run and we meet Joan Flag a very frightened young lady in very frightening circumstances Our first act curtain will rise in just a moment after this brief, but very important message Here's a special message the United States Army needs young men men with ambition who want to continue their education If you can qualify the army will send you to one of its many fine technical schools The army trains its men in such interesting exciting fields as radio radar electronics Mechanics meteorology and many many others You'll not only get the finest training in the world, but you'll have the special pride that goes with wearing a United States Army uniform Today there are plenty of chances for a man to get ahead for our army is growing fast and ambitious young men can grow with it But why not learn for yourself about what the army has to offer? Go to your nearest United States Army and United States Air Force recruiting station Have a talk with a recruiting sergeant and learn all the facts And now with your star Conrad Nagel in the role of Norman Webb your army and your Air Force present the proudly we hail production Lady on the run You know, it's funny how a thing gets started You try and think of all the ways it might happen and usually what does happen is quite different from anything you'd imagined The world of illusion and the world of reality divided for the science of logic Sometimes all three get so wound up in each other the result affects your whole life It began when I walked into the Continental Trailways bus terminal on a warm evening in October. I Was surprised the number of people who were going places you would have thought it was mid-summer Crowd was a good thing for me though made it so much simpler to lose my identity Continental's ticket agents had things down pat The line I stood in move rapidly and almost before I knew it The only thing in the way of me buying my fare was a lovely looking dark haired girl Who didn't seem to be quite sure where she wanted to go? Your buses go to New Mexico. Yes, ma'am all over the Southwest. Where did you want to go in New Mexico? Santa Fe no no Albuquerque. That's it Albuquerque, and please hurry. Oh, the bus doesn't leave for another 15 minutes Round trip or one way one way he here is this enough? Oh, it's not that much. It's only one please hurry Yes, ma'am. Are you go through that gate to your bus? Now? Here's your ticket. Thank you miss miss your change Well little lady same confused. Yes, sir our where to one way To Albuquerque. I was the last one to climb aboard It was best to be sure Well the bus was big and modern air-conditioned with thick comfortable seats. I picked one a little more than halfway back Excuse me mind if I sit here If you'd rather be alone, I can't find a seat further back. No, that's all right. I don't mind Good sit down Maybe you want to read there's a light there above your head. I know I don't want to read Thank you more fun to watch the lights a More fun to watch the city fade away You know I always get a kick out of leaving someplace any place good to be on the move Like a cigarette not right now Are you going far? Yeah? Yeah, long way to son. How about you? I'm going to Phoenix Well, what do you know you live there? No just a visit to see my brother-in-law This first time I ever heard that one. What do you mean? What's so funny about that?  Why not your sister my sister's dead? My brother-in-law is all I've got left to go to. Oh Sorry, it's not your fault Look since we're going to be traveling a long way together. Why don't we introduce ourselves? I'm Norman Webb. My name is Joan Joan flag. How do you do?  I must say you work fast Just I hate formality. I hate to waste time Look, we're two people traveling a long way on a bus. We might just as well get to know one another Sooner the better Suppose we sat here like a couple of wooden Indians and never said Buddha one another what a waste But you're Joan. I'm Norman and isn't it a wonderful world? Sometimes it can be a very horrible world I think but a black nightmare It was about three o'clock in the morning when we stopped The city we pulled into or the silence of deep night The building standing dark and empty behind pale sleepless street lights a straight cat scurrying into an alleyway Breeze hurting pages of newspaper along the gutter Well, some of our fellow passengers followed the driver into the terminal eager for that vital cup of coffee But most of us stayed put I Didn't think my dark-haired companion was asleep But her suddenly jerking upright with a short gasp of fear certainly proved it What's the matter of those men a long black card pulled up on the other side of the street and two men had gotten out They were both big both wore top coats and felt hats They came across the street toward the bus. It's them It's them take it easy Joan take it easy. You know these men. I've got to get out of here Please let me get by you don't think I'd let them hurt you.  Whatever it is.   I just relax and let your uncle Norman handle this What's the matter you're looking for something? As a matter of fact, I am well, whatever it is. You won't find it here Who's that my wife if it's any of your blasted business come down buddy. You're talking to the law law What do you want with us? We haven't done anything. I don't panic Mac Seen anything of a girl looks like this They're not light on there. You can see better not on they do I can see all right No, no, I haven't pretty ain't she so what now do you earn a fruit cake? That's all Dangerous I go on back to sleep. Sorry I bothered you Forget it. I suppose I got some sleep. I suppose you believed in Victory showed me he was of a girl with blonde hair Your hair is dark. You knew it was me. I don't know anything You you think he really was a policeman don't you? Well, that's what he said Why didn't you hand me over? You heard what he said Not here in the fruit cake. Who isn't Now calm down calm down. You're all right Like we can talk about this in the morning out. We both had some sleep. How can I sleep sample?  They're too smart for that The way the way till no one's around a funny way for the law to do that's just it They were no more policemen than I am. Well, who were they then? Well, I Can't tell you you you'd think I was crazy too Sometimes I think I am People tell you what they're long enough. Maybe it's so All the next day we pounded westward The country had that wide open look in the miles fell away with ease My companion had little to say we'd almost assumed that wouldn't Indian method of travel at which I'd spoken It was quite a situation a Lovely girl who dyed her hair black a lovely girl who was supposed to be out of her mind But to me only seemed nervous and frightened a Lovely girl on the run who said she was going to Phoenix, but was really headed for Albuquerque And two men from whom she was fleeing who said they were police Science of logic was getting all beaten up in my mind But dusk we made one of those ten minute wayside halts in a dusty little town and how are out of Amarillo Want to stretch a bit all right might be a good idea nothing like a good stretch after a long quiet day That's better Now you're showing signs of improvement No, no there no black cars out there. Hey, what's your step? Well, once around the block will be about all we have time for you know you haven't told me what you do. Hey, that's right I haven't like I haven't told you much at all about myself. I'm a very interesting fella You've got about ten years to spare. I'll tell you all about me. You're so modest. I'm the soul of modesty I wasn't modest or to take 25. I'm really very grateful to you Want to tell me anything about it? You wouldn't believe me. Why not because no one has Harry's my last chance. Oh the brother-in-law.  I've been to the police. They didn't believe me either Go on. Well Though those two men they they work for every Dunlop. He is all I've heard of him What's he got to do with you? Well, he's my guardian until next month, then I'll be 25 You see my father and mother were killed a little over a year ago in an automobile accident My sister was with him too Dad was quite wealthy and everything was left to me, but not until I'm 25 Ever done it was left in charge of the estate. You think Dunlop is after your money. He's rich enough.  Let me finish after the accident I guess I did go after out of my head for a while We were very close my family and the shock and well what it was too much for me to take I cracked up When I got out of the hospital ever it Dunlop couldn't do enough to help he insisted I come live with him and his sister they have a big ugly Yes, I know I've seen it. Well, it depressed me. I didn't like it there They insisted I stay until I was well nothing seemed to matter very much then and I let them have their way But about three months ago it I'd had all I could take Told them I wanted to get a job and they were very understanding about it ever said he thought he could help Well, and then then That night the light had burned out in the hall when I came out of my room to go down to dinner I fell down the stairs my ankle was broken and then I hit my head a concussion the doctor said Only I didn't slip I was tricked Someone had tied a piece of wire or string across the top strip. I remember it hitting my ankle That was the beginning. How do you mean? Little things things you couldn't prove Waking up in the middle of the night and knowing knowing that there was someone else in the room Calling for help and when they came no one there or putting a book down on a table and leaving the room and coming back and finding it gone Then when I asked being told I'd left the book on the terrace. I can't tell you all the things and Then they'd look at me and pretend to be concerned. I Wasn't well. I needed rest poor Joan Finding suggesting it might be a good idea for doctor friend of theirs had a talk with me Well, not that it was serious, but they wanted to help and then when I could get out Those two men following me wherever I went and and when I spoke about it a look of horror There were no two men. I must be mistaken. I mustn't think such things. I must only think about getting well I was desperate. There was nobody I could turn to our home had been in Kansas City Finally, I went to the police. What did they say? They were very polite. They listened After all it was no proof nothing. It was all against me Ever done look an important figure wealthy a staunch pillar of society and the poor girl well Suppose you were declared insane If I could be declared insane he could go on administering the estate till Kingdom come Worth how much something over two million dollars?  You said Crane How did you know my name is Crane? I told you your name is Crane and you're not going to Phoenix You're going to Albuquerque you know Well, you're one of them to let go of me wait wait, Joe Joe that's so good. You can't get away you little idiot Conrad Nagle starring in the role of Norman Webb in the proudly we hail production lady on the run will return in just a moment for the second act I have an important message for intelligent young men a new United States Army regulation now permits you to apply for OCS Officer candidate school before you enlist. That's right If you're at least 19 years old and can meet the physical and metal standards for Army officers Regardless of whether you're a high school graduate you can go to your recruiting station and volunteer as an officer candidate You'll take basic training attend leadership school and then go to the next available class at OCS You'll be promoted to corporal when you go to OCS and upon graduation become a second lieutenant in the United States Army With good pay and allowances for food and quarters Young American women have the same opportunity to become officers in the women's Army Corps But you'd better act now for no one knows how long it will be before our growing Army has all the officers it needs Go to your nearest United States Army and United States Air Force recruiting station and get all the facts today You are listening to proudly we hail and now with your star Conrad Nagle in the role of Norman Webb We present the second act of lady on the run She could run I'll say that for of course fear can make a sprinter out of anyone But it wasn't until we'd left most of the town and some might he start looking pedestrians behind that I finally caught up to her Go of me. Let me go. Wait a minute. Take it easy.   Dunlope won't be very Happy if I don't I should have known you were one of them. You knew all about him. Why couldn't I look? Look, there goes our bus. I'll wait here until another one comes.  I Was figuring on hiring a car to drive us over to Amarillo where we get a plane for home But it wasn't necessary As we approached the town's only hotel I saw standing in front of it the familiar black car with the out-of-state license plates Looks like we got a ride One of what brought them here as if you didn't know But the bus is gone. Oh, they're smart just like you they probably find out we weren't on it There's our old pal Hey, how about a lift? Hey How about a lift to Amarillo? Got to catch a plane. Well, it's you a character Climb in Miss Crane My friend here, and I've got a little talk to have yeah, let's do that We like it George get George by all means Time we stop this fooling around and say that again Hey George, look who's here Miss Crane Please don't ever take a powder like that again You don't know how worried mr. Dunlope easy easy does it both the girls all tired out Yeah, so are we Drive in half way across the country. We're just going to visit her brother-in-law Do tell and to think I'll be still she means shut up You know dames are all nuts, but this one takes the cake Hmm looks like we're coming into Amarillo What are you gonna do with a car? Well George? He has been appointed to drive it home. I'll take the plane with you We don't want any more mix-ups the little lady needs taken care of Better eat some of that Joan. It's good. I'm not hungry You should have an appetite like book over there. Yeah, I eat like a horse. I just just like to be left alone I'm tired. I want to sleep. I'll have a shirt. Let's bring you pillow never mind We'll be landing soon miss Crane, and you'll get plenty of rest Is the Dunlop he'll see that nobody disturbs you. He's quite a guy Loves her like a daughter. Yeah, she's a fine man. All right perfect gentleman. He's got your best interests at heart miss Crane We all have I think that sums up the whole thing perfectly Well, we made the drive in the airport to Everett Dunlop's big cold-looking estate and silence It's quite some way out of the city in one of those sections where all the homes were big Our charge sat hunched down in the corner a weary and resigned look on her lovely haunted face That was almost over Yeah, pay the man book After you miss Crane I hope mr. Dunlop has a bed yet Don't worry about him never goes to bed. I just lean on that bill.  Dunlop.  Yes, yes, of course Joe Why did you do it? Why did you run off? Olivia's been worried sick. I I've been frantic. Why where can we talk mr. Dunlop talk? I Don't think I understand. Why don't we talk right here? We'll go into the dead After you Joan Where did you find the boat? Oh tenant here? He found it And whether since she got on the bus we ran into him outside of Amarillo. Sit down I'll fix a drink and never mind this won't take long. Oh Miss Crane here Paid us a call about ten days ago. Mr. Dunlop.  That's right. I came that you were Worried about her because I know all about that too your story held water See I'm the kind of a cop that never takes anything for granted mr. Dunlop. I decided to do a little routine checking After all if the girl was on the verge of cracking up as you so reluctantly pointed out It might not be a bad idea for me to keep an eye on her just to see that she didn't do anything to endanger herself or Well anyone else but look at it where but you remember I said I know what you said First thing I found out was that Boak here and his sidekick were keeping an eye on her too Well since Boat and George both have records that would fill a book. I began to wonder who they were working for Wasn't hard to find out. Oh come on. She's exaggerating. There's nothing wrong with giving a couple of men a chance to live Honest life. No, no, nothing at all. That's admirable. In fact, see I didn't stop there. I Began checking up on you. You began checking up, but what what do you mean?  Mr. Dunlop. Oh, you hidden it well, but it all came out Well, of course, there's nothing wrong with that either. But when Miss Crane decided to take a bus ride I decided to go along with her. I Didn't tell her who I was until I was convinced. She was a perfectly sane young lady Being scared out of her wits You didn't want her dead or I'm sure she would have been dead long ago If she died, you'd lose that two million bucks But if you could drive her into an insane asylum, you'd be sitting pretty. Why why have all the utter rot? I be quiet There's no proof I'll grant you that Only your word against hers. Just see I'm buying just a moment. Who's your superior captain Gillian? I Called him for Mammarillo. He wants to see you in his office at eight o'clock tomorrow morning And as for you Bo I could have you and George run in for impersonating police officers So you show up when mr. Dunlop does and he said he wanted help I've had enough of this. I hope it's just the beginning mr. Dunlop. Joan tell them you made it all up You tell them effort. They always believe you. There's just one other thing Miss Crane here comes into her estate in another month Until that time she'll be under our protection. I should say my protection I'll be her guardian as long as you think she needs me.  I've got doctors report Well, I suppose you say them for the judge and when you hand over what you've been keeping for it had better all be there Or you know where you'll be Well, I guess that's it Got anything say, Joanie. Yes, let's get out of here. I'll call a cab. No, I've got a car This will break or leave his heart. It probably will but not the way you mean Eight o'clock tomorrow Dunlop Captain Gillian doesn't like to be kept waiting You were wonderful. I'm sure I'm always wonderful. It's a wonderful world to Know more horrible nightmares not a one good You know, I could stand a wife with two million bucks, but I could never stand one with nightmares Brad nagle will return with a word about next week's show in just a moment Did you ever stop to wonder why your United States Army has such a long tradition of victory? Well, the secret is a very simple one. It's training that pays off All soldiers will tell you that it's good training plus the best leadership that spells victory Your United States Army has always emphasized both The United States Army is rapidly expanding now Young men and young women with the will to learn can get ahead fast So take advantage of the opportunities for advancement that can be yours by enlisting now Visit the United States Army and United States Air Force recruiting station in your neighborhood And learn all the facts and list in the United States Army today This has been another program on proudly we hail presented transcribed in cooperation with this station by the United States Army and the United States Air Force recruiting service proudly we hail stars Conrad Nagel Supporting Mr. Nagel as Joan flag was Helen Kristen lady on the run was written by Dewitt Cup The music was composed and conducted by John one area This program was produced under the supervision of Charles and Rogers productions and was directed by Charles Wilkes This is Kenneth Banghardt speaking and here again as your host and star Conrad Nagel friends. We hope you'll join us again next week over the same station for proudly we hail travel with us to the Old West and Follow a United States cavalry patrol in the Western Badlands in a thrilling story titled Warpath until then Goodbye


Y rhan o'r cyfnod o'i gyda'i ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd i'w ffordd i'w ffordd o'r ffordd i'w'r cyfnod gwahoddau cyflwyntiaid, yn fewn i'n ffordd o'r materiol i'w hyfforddiant i'r ffordd. Cyfnodd yn ymgyrch o'r ffordd o'r cyfnod gwheilio'r ffordd o'r ffordd i'w mewn gwirionedd o'r eistedd. Ond, wrth gwrs, mae gennym ni'n teimlo fflaen iawn i'r swydd yn oed o'r pwysig o'r ffletoedd ar y dyfodol ar gyfer ar gyfer archiologi gyda i'r ffaith yn gyhoedd. Felly mae'r cymdeithasol ar hyn o'r systemau a'r rhai ddweud o'r cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau a'r gwychau o'r bach. The past decay has not favoured the conservation and study of Indian material heritage. There have been some spectacularly successful individual projects, of course, but intellectually, financially and organisation, the underlying trend has been negative. Confidants in the future health of the sectors that many of us represent, including the University Department of Artheology, continues to diminish. Provincial museums, too, are changing, not only suffering general reductions in resources as a result of the government's policy of public sector austerity, but also a concentration on their public-facing image at the expense of curatorial resources, constraining research access to collections, which I have personally experienced. The graph on the left showing a 36% decrease since 2006 in local authority conservation staff stands proxy for a wider picture of resource cuts since the financial crisis in 2017. Intellectually, the shift from progress to retrenchment followed slightly later. Marked, in my view, by the then government's decision around the end of 2008 to abandon the heritage bill that had been published in April last year. A bill, and I quit, designed to unify heritage protection regimes, allow greater public involvement in decisions and place heritage at the heart of the planning system. It shouldn't mark the transition to practical, rational reform of the legislation and policy, following a period of intense debate about what conservation of the historic environment meant and who it was for. Reflected, for example, in the English Heritage Conservation Principles. In the event of the short-lived and clumsy planning policy statement 5, planning for the historic environment, published in 2009-10, bolted the values or significance-based conservation planning approach onto the existing legislation and the terminology. This, of course, was carried over in 2012 by the abbreviated policy guidance of the National Planning Policy Framework revised last year. Through all these changes, the polluter pays principle of archaeological provision in the planning system, established by PPG 16 in 1990, since then the achievement of our late past President Jeff Wainwright has remained intact. Despite pressure to relax planning constraints to boost development, it may manifest, I think, in the after-the-2008 downturn, with a recurring theme of national planning policy ever since. But archaeological policy has been sustained through the vigilance of the sector. We contributed to a common position, adopted and endorsed across the sector, which resulted in amendments to the draft 2018 revised National Policy Planning Framework that secured in effect the status quo. However, the framework for managing archaeology within the planning system established after 1990 is under severe strain, exacerbated by winding local authority resources to maintain historic environment records as active databases and the foundation for authority's role in curating the resource. Because the cuts have been uneven, if you look at the graph on the right, this has led to inconsistent application of policy across the country, which tends to undermine the credibility of the system. And the problem of long-term curation of archaeological archives and research access continues to mount. In the absence of a clear sector or leave, we as a body, which does not have an institutional vested interest in the outcome, will shortly be setting out our vision for the future organisation of archaeological provision in England, based on our evidence from the 2016 Reeds Day of the Power of Inquiry. We are looking to rethink rather than ongoing piecemeal retrenchment to make best use of scarce resources, focused on realising the public benefit of archaeology to dissemination of knowledge revealed, generated by field work. We will be advocating historic environment records and curatorial services being set on a statutory basis, as they were with our enthusiastic support last year in Wales and are effective in Scotland. We see a concentration in larger, in effect regional hubs rather than county teams to achieve the critical mass of expertise that has begun to slip away in the present system. We see this in centres which can promote research and dissemination, the outcome of developer-funded field work, with links to regional organisations, particularly universities. Logically, there I say in this audience, one would integrate schedule monument consent case work into such a system. During the year, we have also commented on a wide range of other policy issues, including the National Lottery Heritage Fund, as we must now learn to call it, their forward strategy, the HRC Strategic Delivery Plan, the future of the National Heritage List for England, and national infrastructure projects affecting Stonehenge and Heathrow. Among our policy committee members, I must particularly thank Stephen Johnson for keeping track of the issues and for coordinating our responses. Turning now to perhaps lighter moments, highlights from our contributions to research and dissemination over the year. This year, we offered about £146,000 in research grants, including a generous ongoing donation, as I mentioned in the formal meeting by our fellow Edward Harris. Overall, this represents a significant increase over the three-year average, and as you can see from the graph, the effect of 50% increase. We continue to address in these grants a very wide range of disciplines. This is putting together figures over four years. Archaeology still needs the way, but perhaps surprisingly, fashion history comes second. That's the point is the range. Not only range of subjects, but also location of projects. We can, in fact, reasonably say, worldwide cover it in 2019, slightly more of our grant going outside the UK in it. Now, this has also been the first year that we've been able to offer grants from the funders sandwiched by the legacy of Beatrice de Carbi for continuing research in the region in which he was a pioneer of the Arabian Peninsula in the Middle East Island. We were able this year to make three awards, totaling about £35,000, out of a total of £50,000 potentially available. I think that's an encouraging response in our first year. I'm sure it will grow as we continue to raise awareness of the fund. Here, too, are some cumulative statistics for our Morris fund grants for the conservation of decorative features in churches. First, by type of object, and I'm sorry, but words are quite small on the screen. And then, by geographical area. These are limited to England, but I think, looking at the county distribution, we've got a bit of work to do to spread the word in some counties who are obviously better at attracting grants than others. Another thing of the past, our annual research showcase at which grant recipients quite literally set out their stalls in this room, to engage directly with fellows on the public. Visitors, I think, were fascinating, are fascinating, to be able to talk to archaeologists, material historians, to handle objects, and engage on an informal one-to-one basis. This again coincided with Burlington House courtyard leads, when all six societies around the courtyard invited visitors this year to explore the theme of resources. That event and our participation in Open House London in September, pictured in John's study here, were particularly successful, I think, in showing people who we are and what we do. And as one of the guides this year, I can say that we all public appetite for events of this kind. In November, we heard a paper setting out the emerging results from the 6th Year Research Programme on the 7th Century Statuture Award. We will publish the award in September in our research report series. And I hope to be able to see from the cover and sample page the quite exceptional production standard that the volume will achieve. These are proofs from it. Underwritten with many thanks to Historic England. That will be followed on the 1st of November by a colloquium on the significance of the award for future research and public understanding. And there will be a public lecture in June, helping to disseminate the results of the research to a wider audience. Since we published the first report of our research committee on excavations of Roxeter by JP Bush Fox in 1913, more than 50 volumes have been made available and reported the results of some of the most important contemporary archaeological excavation research over that period. I'm pleased to say also bottom right on the slide that in a matter of weeks we will have over a quarter of our back catalogue of these reports published online in a deeper access through the archaeological data service and the rest will follow shortly. As well as our programme awarding meetings through the year we held two highly successful day conferences. In November on the late glacial paleolithic organised by Professor Nick Barton and in February on secret spaces presenting a European perspective on medieval sacrifices, bestries treasure rooms and their contents. Both like all of our lectures and conferences are available online. We also held study days on the Winton Doomsday and our cartoons of the same class at Cewtsbury Abbey during its respiration in 1923. Our apartments of course host many other events organised by fellows and community societies. I particularly want to congratulate our fellows Claire Gaffer and Paula Henderson for organising their annual conferences on new insights into the 16th and 17th century British architecture. The next one in January will mark January 2020 will mark the 10th anniversary of an unmissable sold-out event for all of us interested in the architecture of the period. In February we heard excerpts from Mary's Hand a solo operatic performance by Claire McColving exploring the life of Mary Tudor our first queen regnant preceded by her talk from our fellow John Cooper. The visual focus was Claire in a replica of the dress she wears in our portrait by Hans Youarth which I'm sure you all know is hanging over the chimney piece. This only was a good example of the potential of our collections to stimulate contemporary creativity which would be a key theme on our account spot project if we move on later. An accompanying display of contemporary documents reminded me of the range and depth of the wondrous things that we hold objects, manuscripts, prints, drawings, photographs which alongside our library constitute probably the most important antiquarian and archaeological collection in the Anglo-Taiol world. Our problem is that apart from the library books with a few exceptions the collections are not catalogued in detail nor appear in the searchable form online. In this we lag well behind other major collections but we are about to appoint a systems manager library, museums and archives to develop a new integrated database which will additionally bring together the contents of the existing castelons. But that is only at the start of what we need to do. Once the digital platform is in place we as fellows need to contribute our particular expertise and enthusiasm to enriching the castelons which need to be illustrated. The online VM catalogue I think is in many ways a good model of what we want to achieve. The unlocking of our collection section of our website is a start. Cataloging and digitising our collections will hopefully make more of our material accessible both to the community of scholars from the wider public. On the screen a couple of examples of specific research by our staff and fellows which continues to be showcased in the line room hall. Top photographs mostly of castels taken by the auntie Lawrence cycling around France in 1907-08 which had been identified by our fellow Bill Woodburn and at the bottom autographed music from two of our manuscript collections compiled by Harriet Hanson our library assistant. The latter particularly engaged the interest of our fellow the Duke of Gloucester who visited us in November primarily to discuss our camps of projects. To encourage researchers to use our collections for the fourth year running we held a postgraduate open day attended by nearly 50 postgraduate students and early career researchers. During the year we made loans to two memorable exhibitions in Lawrence from Peterborough out of our the archtop portraits and the Loons of Salter and were very pleased to accept through our past president Maurice Howard the gift of a portrait of Charles Marsh FSA by LF Abbott dating from the 1790s as I noted in the formal meeting we have now raised the funds for its consummation necessary before we could display it here in our apartments. We are springing you up to date about our tenure here at New Wellington House on which so many of our activities depend. In unison with the four other poor chance societies we are engaged in constructive but confidential discussions about our future with our landlord the Ministry of Housing Communications and Local Government. As the successors of course the Office of Words who completed these apartments for us in 1874. Many of you will recall that we occupied rent free in 2005 when a case was brought against us by the government to settle our legal status. The action was stayed to allow for mediation following which each society was drawn to go these for 10 years or in years and 7 times. That was all the mutual understanding of the formula for calculating the rent would result in it slowly rising to market rates over those 80 years. Everyone I'm sure acted in good faith but also in haste since the court imposed a very narrow window for agreement. The government then comprehensively repaired the exterior by letting a pretty poor state and we only had the societies began to invest in our buildings and might only fit with this meeting. Our father by the nurse wrote up the events in our journal and his concluding words that the basis for valuation of rent could become contentious in the normal term have been born out perhaps rather sooner than he imagined. As the graph shows from 2011-12 the rent began to rise exponentially primarily because the market banned property in this primary of central London grew more rapidly than anyone had anticipated the influx of foreign investment as a key driver. The arbitration concluded in 2016 clarified the interpretation of the basis of calculating the rent that was containing the releases although to no advantage to the societies. I won't attempt to try to explain the formula but it is a circular self-sustaining one highly geared though I doubt anyone realized that in 2005. The arbitration also established the societies have no right to dispute the assessments of each review unless they are wholly unrealistic, negligent exercises of judgement which we agree on professional advice they are not. The interest followed the arbitration and only this month was the second 10 years and the rent demands for the years since the arbitration issued. The figures are on the screen you can read from the graph but the rent in the high and probable of 2018-19 approaches £180,000 per annum All of these demands were paid promptly up to the end of March. The completion of the 2015-24 leads by the society protects our equal status under the initial in 2015 to occupy at a rent which of a large £180,000 per annum may appear last is still in the affraction of current market rates in this location As I said earlier we are in constructive discussions with government about securing our future here although their nature must for the present remain wholly confidential but I will be failing in my duty as chair of the trustees of a charity not to set out position as it has emerged during the past few weeks and I think you will understand that until this matter is resolved our long-term aspirations to remain at and the best environment on the house to make it better fit the needs of the 21st century must remain on the cold Indeed since 2012 the uncertainty over the rent has prevented us from making strategic plans for the society's future insofar as they are dependent on our being involved in house hence our focus on public engagement a long process Turning now to fellowship we hold incomplete data on the age of fellows but there's a consensus that we are skewed to the high end myself including of course I think this is an historic rather than a current problem not least because having observed the past year of balance and admissions hydrogenated what seems to be a reasonable demographic and gender balance and in our new fellows that we can see from this diagram which covers the period from 2013 the extent of annual insurance deaths, resignations and the rules for non-payments and the number of people who are not on the left compared with admissions on the right if that isn't terribly clear then sorry that's it sorry was that one on the screen very right, okay I'm going back to that one we can see from this diagram which covers the period from 2013 the extent of annual churn deaths, resignations and non-payment on the left compared to admissions on the right and each of the block of three lines on the left in effect should be balanced against the single line on the right I think with this next graph the net position is rather clearer one can suggest on the dotted line an overall trend that is very slow increase but one might equally or better interpret the data as a steady rise to mid 2015 to the levelling off at around 3,060 fellows thereafter for some time and indeed sporadically over the past century it has been evident that the number of fellows at current subscription levels is not in itself sufficient to sustain the services, the society of us a recurrent theme in our clients even allowing for the decline since what I might call the death of optimism in 2008 the number of people employed in understanding them care of our material heritage does remain historically high but undoubtedly many potential recruits who meet our criteria of excelling in the knowledge of the antiquities of history of this and other nations but pressures on their income have probably never been greater I've urged fellows to look around their circle their workplaces and actively seek out and put forward appropriate colleagues particularly younger colleagues for election but that alone will not, I think, adequately address the issue the possibility of a membership or associate fellowship has been discussed intermittently in council at least as far back as the 1920s and most recently around 2005 you will recall the creation of additional classes of fellow or member was facilitated in the 2015 revised stansions council is again being discussing the possibility of a membership scheme which in part could build on the loyal following our public lectures have achieved for example but the other poor chance societies hold similar public lectures and we are planning better to integrate our public offer with them so the idea of a joint Friends of Burlington House poor chance has been floated which could be large enough quickly to become self-sustaining whatever the outcome of that debate I do think it is time for us seriously to consider an associate fellowship aimed especially at younger scholars and early career researchers and priced to match their pockets while still making a net contribution to our core costs that I emphasise is a personal view not even a view of council but I do want to see the root of fellowship being perceived across our very disciplines more as climbing a hill than scaling a fifth and to make better use of our resources and the services we provide without seeking to raise fellow subscriptions to levels that would be seen as inaccessible to many and above all to ensure that our apartments if we can stay here can further develop as a place where like-minded people want to come to meet or find the quiet place to write The fellowship will of course be consulted about any proposals which emerge from Hungarian debate in council Finally, I want to tell them to come to council an end on the matter for celebration 90% of funding is now in place for our £6m investment in council the project council and Morris past, present and future as a property where thankfully we do a lovely hold Alongside our general secretary the Kelmscott team my predecessor Gill Andrews deserves our particular thanks for the continuing personal commitment to this project not least her work on our successful application to the national lottery heritage fund As does Peter Cormack's expertise and commitment as our honorary curator of Kelmscott Recently he has been exploring the William and May's Icelandic connections and so helping us cement a long standing friendship with the Icelandic Government through their ambassador in London who with his team visited Kelmscott in October and where on the left hand picture Peter gave a talk at the Icelandic Emma's Embassy last year on the occasion of the 100th year of their independence The National Heritage Lottery Fund grants a 4.3 million is I think the largest single donation society has ever received We've raised the balance as you have heard from a wide range of donors including many fellows Particularly thanks that our view to Dominic Wallace our development officer and to the Kelmscott campaign group chaired by our fellow Martin Nevey who has done so much to raise this funding Where is more to do immediately in raising half a million to support public outreach to help Kelmscott already generates a long-standing service which will increase in the future but to ensure a place is truly self-sustaining in the long term we intend to develop a Kelmscott Futures Fund to provide for ongoing investment to meet the costs of future long cycle maintenance We are now able to proceed with the capital works which would bring the buildings and services into sound repair including addressing problems which have built up since the major repairs we undertook after the house passed to us in 1962 We also improved the visitors facilities the more brilliant cesspools provide education and exhibition spaces and space for artists in residence not released by putting a building back against this side of the farm yard one whose scarves are still visible on the wall at the west end finding permission in this building consent for the project were granted in August we have completed there that is where building will go and the scar is on that wall finding permission and this building consent were granted in August we completed a new lease of the extended car park from the church commissioners at the beginning of the month so Kelmscott can be cleared of parked cars on open days these steps paved the way at lottery fund to give us four more permission to start and so begin to draw down the grant money in anticipation our architects, architect Tom had begun working up the detailed designs which are now being finalized and cost kept we will go out to Tender in Bursal the first phase of work will start in September 2021 a house will close early this year the end of August to allow us to be camp the content prior to repair and this presents the opportunity next summer to mount a Kelmscott Marrow Trails Exhibition here at Burlington House our overriding theme in this project will be how Kelmscott influenced Morris for what he made few changes the agricultural buildings adjacent he so much appreciated were not even in his demise in future visitors will be able to participate in a practical demonstration of our own dynamic engagement with the past which takes as its starting point the very reasons why Morris himself so loved Kelmscott's unpretentious simplicity of the rural tranquillity history, art, architecture archaeology ancient landscapes and the academic disciplines of the heart of the society there Kelmscott inspired William Morris and Kelmscott in the hope will continue to inspire future and to remind them that the last fellow's day before closure will be on the 20th of June so do come learn more about the transformation that's going to take place and enjoy yourselves hopefully the weather will be good so finally I must thank our officers Steven, Chris, Heather members of council our general secretary John Lewis and all the staff and volunteers at Burlington House and Kelmscott for their unfailing hard work and for injuring me crashing around asking why do we do this and can we do that and it's been a pleasure too over the past few months to get to know the work with our colleagues from the unborn chance societies full gave as well he laid the foundation for working much more closely together in the future my thanks to you all


Hey everyone, Shaber1000 here. Today we're going to try another one of these Bodeck spicy chicken flavored ramen. This one is curry. So this should be pretty good. Monkey picked this one out for me to try today. I have several in there that were sent to me. Naturally and artificially flavored stir fried ramen. So we get to use the wok again. So let's open this up and let's check this out. See how well it is. Okay guys, so I will give you... I'll put the ingredients here up for you. In case you want to pause and read that. The nutrition facts, not ingredients, whatever. You know what I mean, right? Hopefully, okay. Quickly, the instructions are very easy. Put the noodles and flakes into 20 ounces of boiling water and cook for five minutes. I've got water over here getting ready to boil. It says, please remove the water. This is after the five minutes. Please remove the water. Remain eight tablespoons of water and put liquid sauce into noodles, stir fry for 30 seconds, then you stir it well. That eight tablespoons is just a little over a third of cup. Which I just go ahead and I just always just have my third a cup of water ready there for you. Or me, whatever. But, so yeah, this one looks pretty good. Again, there's the picture. Let's make a thumbnail here. This will be the thumbnail. Okay, so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go ahead and get the water, it's on, but I'm gonna wait. When the water gets boiling, then I'll go ahead and we'll dump these in and then we'll get the wok ready. Got my little bowl here. That's a ratchet bowl, monkey, got me for Christmas. I got these here for aesthetics. Like I said, I can't use them anymore because of my, I have no feeling, I don't know how hard I'm holding something. It's like you ever wake up from sleep and your hand is kind of numb. That's what I feel like all the time. So I can do this, but I can't like pick stuff up because it crosses and I can't, you know what I mean? But that's how you're supposed to hold them like this. And you gotta hold it tight with your thumb. The bottom one tight with your thumb like this, but I actually googled that to see if I was doing something wrong and I wasn't. I was doing it right, but it's just I can't, I don't have the feeling anymore. So anyway, that's the topics we've covered before. So as soon as the water boils, we're gonna throw this in there with the flakes. We're gonna let it boil for five minutes and we're gonna get to use the wok. Love my wok. Okay guys, let's do this. Okay, let's go ahead and put our noodles in. These are folded over, nice square. Sometimes they're round. These are folded over so they're kind of long. I'm gonna put those in here, dump that in there and we add our flakes, which this is our flakes here. It's just dried vegetables. And there's not much air, but you can really smell that. And it probably flavors the water. That's probably why they want you to use this water. You can, but I got some water here. Like I said, it's about just a little over a third of cup. So let's set a timer for five minutes and then we'll come back once the wok is heated up. Okay guys, your wok's ready when you start seeing a little bit of smoke. So we're gonna put our noodles in. Now we're gonna put our sauce in. Like I said, they want you to use eight tablespoons of water that came out of it, but I've done it both ways. I couldn't tell difference at all. So like I said, just get stir fry for about 30 seconds. I'm not sure how long 30 seconds is, but we can do this, we can do our kitchen timer. Easily go until it thickens up a little bit, 30 seconds.  All right now, I'm gonna take it from the heat. I'm gonna pour it in my bowl and I'll meet you back over here on the bar. Something real quick about this wok. It's a breeze to clean up. Same with all my cast iron. A lot of people don't use it because they think it's intimidating. They think you gotta season it every time you use it. That's not true. All I did with this was just rinsed it out with hot water, took a sponge, rinsed it out. Most guys will tell you to use soap and water. When you use soap, yes, it's gonna take some of your seasoning out. It's gonna take that oil off there. I don't do that. I just, a little hair in there. What I do is I just rinse it out, like I said, with hot water and a sponge. I set it back on the burner that it came off of because it's still warm and I let it dry out. Once I dry it out, I just give it another light cut oil, stick it back on the burner because this burner will stay hot for a while. Boom, that's it. I did it with all my cast iron. I season them, re-season them about twice a year. So, I mean, as you can see, it's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that. All right, let's get to our soup. Okay, so I gotta do this part again because I was talking to you for a minute and didn't even, I wasn't recording. Okay, so here's what it looks like. And this smells fantastic. I can't wait to try this curry one. Let me try this again. I just can't see it twisting on me. Yeah, there we go. Of course, I'm gonna use my fork, but, right now, move this out of the way. Like I said, these ones are really long. You can break them up. Like the eight-tablespoons of water, you know, that's just an estimate. Like if I would make this just for my lunch without filming, I probably wouldn't even really measure it. I'd just pour a little bit in there, maybe some soy sauce, but since the instructions say to do this, and this may be someone's first time watching this, I don't want to steer them wrong and I don't want them to go, well, you know, you didn't like it because maybe you put something in that you wasn't supposed to, which is true. So when I'm trying something for the first time, I always do exactly what they recommend, you know. And then after that, once, you know, if it's good enough and I buy it again, which there is a lot of stuff I do that with, I will go ahead and just, you know, you can guesstimate that, but I'm sticking on my arm. All right, so let me get you pointed up here. We're gonna give this a shot. Man, this smells fantastic, guys.  Had you zoomed in because of the, I had you up there on the stove, or not on the stove, but okay, and these, I don't know how monkey gets these things clean. Whenever I use something wooden, it's stained. These are the very first set I used. I still got two more sets over there having to open, and you saw how clean they were at the beginning, so I don't know how she does it. Wooden spoons, she gets them clean, I don't know. But anyway, so, yeah, here we go, it's still a little hot. There's what it looks like. Okay, I think we may have a winner here. A lot of me, they're all winners, because so far, all these bulldox, there haven't been any I haven't liked. There's some heat here, there's some spice, but they're supposed to be because it's spicy chicken. If you can handle spices, you're probably not gonna like any of these, but I like a lot of spice, and I like a lot of heat. So, anyway, there hasn't been any of these that I haven't liked yet. Just some that I've liked more than others. Yeah, I would buy them and eat them. Quick lunch, I like stir-frying. It's only 30 seconds. I mean, if I need a really, really quick lunch, I'll make a sandwich, but when I got a few minutes, you know, I like to make my noodles and sitting and they're hardy and they hold me over till supper. I see monkeys got pork chops out for supper, so let's give this another bite. Sorry if you're hearing any chewing noises. I don't like that either, guys, so don't feel bad. Yes, this is not overwhelming on the spice. It's there, the heat's there. I can feel it starting on my forehead to sweat a little. Ooh, excuse me, I got the hiccups a little bit. To me, it's not overwhelming. It's there, though, excuse me. It does, you can taste it's curry. Got the hiccups, it's curry. Sometimes I can eat something really hot and I get the hiccups, or sometimes I'll get the hiccups, especially if it's really hot, but this is not really super hot. It's just, it is spicy, but it's a good spicy. If you like spicy, I would recommend it. This is 4.94 ounces, which is 140 grams. So, it does have a best buy date. These things last forever. Well, maybe not 100 years, I don't know, but I've ate them when they were like two and three years out of date. Not these exact ones, but ramen, you know, I mean. This one is 8.15 at 2022, so, yeah. All right, there it is again, guys. One more look at it.  It's a late lunch. It's not going on to 2.30. Monkey had to take her mom to the doctor. I was talking about last night when I can't film out here. And Monkey said, mom was sleeping on the couch. Well, she don't sleep there, guys. She has her own room, okay? That's, I didn't want people thinking, oh, they make her sleep on the couch. You know, she has her own room. She has a bed. She has her TV, cable TV, and her books and everything in her own room. It's just sometimes she'll come out and start playing her game on her phone, keeps her occupied, and she likes it, and she'll fall asleep, and then she's over here snoring real loud and it's kind of hard to film like that, so.   I don't like that. I don't know, just something about it. A monkey asked me one day, did you make your soup video? I'm like, no, I'm not sleeping on the couch. I sent her a video clip and it was snoring real loud. And she tried to call her, but I think her phone was dead or something. To ask her to move. I'm like, don't worry about it. Sorry. Okay, so anyway, love you, mom. Anyway, yes, two thumbs up. I'm giving this, I'm going whole hog on this one. This is five star for me. Flavor, the heat, the spices, and the ease of doing this. I mean, it's ruminant. You don't have to be perfect. You don't have to measure out 20 ounces of water. Just put some water in a pan, you know, bring it to the boil, boil them. You know, just pour a little bit of water in the stir fry.  If it says stir fry, I'm going to do that. You probably don't have to. I mean, I just like doing that stuff. I like cooking, you know. But yeah, it's two thumbs up and five star. So all right guys, I'm going to say thanks for watching. Don't forget to check out Monkey's 1,000th channel. She's just uploaded a great video today of a project she started on yesterday, and she finished it up today. So please check that out, and we'll see you guys in the next one. Shea Bear, the myth man legend, we're going for now. We'll see you guys soon. Bye-bye guys, and take care.


Whether you love them or hate them, another roundabout is about to make its way to Brainerd. In January, the Brainerd City Council approved a project to put a roundabout at the intersection of 4th and Jackson Street as well as extending a median from James to Jackson Street. After a road study was conducted in 2016, it was found that a high number of crashes occur at the James and 4th Street intersection as many vehicles try to make a left-hand turn. Along with reducing the number of crashes, the project also plans to add a pedestrian corridor to 4th Street. The state is funding nearly three-quarters of the project through its local road improvement program. Left turns are just generally a bad movement for crashes, especially when they're crossing four lanes of traffic. So the inclusion of the median only allows right-hand turns, which are generally not a conflicting movement to traffic. And then the roundabout is a way for the people that have to turn right and head back the other direction to get turned around and go the other way. The city is hopeful that construction will begin in the spring of 2020.


Okay, we're back. We're live with think-tech Asia here on a given Tuesday And we have the honor of talking again to our old friend Michael Davis Professor Michael Davis professor of international law at the University of Hong Kong. He joins us by Skype. Thanks for being around Michael Oh, you're welcome. Let's be back on Think-tech good, you know, I mean we had we've had some extraordinary news in the international law department Namely what the court in the Hague did the tribunal in the Hague did on the claims Asserted by the Philippine government and others over China's action in the South China Seas specifically on scubber island and Other areas in that neighborhood. You wrote an article for insight called damage control So we're gonna call this show damage control in the South China Sea. What do you think? Yeah, this article was in the South China Morning Palace. Yeah, the inside is just a section. Yeah, right? And yeah, it's been a big problem. There's a need for damage control Well, yeah, so you and you mentioned and this I'd like to cover this with you if we can in our half hour You mentioned that There are 10 points worthy of consideration and they're all you know beyond the ordinary press I must say this has not been covered in the ordinary press and we ought to we ought to cover it today You know I wanted for example, and I'll go down the list with you You talked about the UN convention and exactly what it provides and the fact that China is a member What's the story on that? Yeah, so I mean China of course, you know a couple of two decades ago was trying to come out of its cultural revolution Trying to become a sort of normal country and and among many things It wanted to do was to sign on to international treaties and be a part of the international Community and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea is one of those should note the US is not a member of that It's this treaty has been stuck in the US Congress now for decades because I have to say Republicans in Congress are reluctant to sign on to multilateral treaties In spite of that the US claims that it adheres to the treaty more or less it just as a matter of Customary law I suppose not even customary law just that it's claiming to adhere So China is a member and all these countries along You know the South China Sea likewise are members of philippines who brought this case Is a member so so they're basically an effort here to enforce a treaty And why would China join such a treaty? Well one of the things about this treaty we we call unclaws or the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea Is that it extended in the old days? There used to be three mile territorial seas along countries And then there are some countries extending it to 12 unclaws makes it 12 And then it has these exclusive economic zones that go out 200 nautical miles and gives the countries Adjoining countries control over all the resources in the area Both the under the continental shelf and in the sea in the water column So all of that would be very attractive to China As it was emerging from its dark days Yeah, interesting that they would join the convention that the us would not join the convention And now they have essentially abrogate it but one before we move on to point two Which is along those same lines Doesn't it undermine our moral authority our moral suasion here to be Complaining about what China does and we ourselves are not a member of the convention Yeah, this has been brought up a lot a sort of hypocrisy sort of argument I think this argument gets you only so far at the end of the day I mean China basically has to have relations with its neighbors And claiming all the seas south China sea Along their coast Doesn't really improve those relations. So I think China has to look at this on its own The us has been a problem when it comes to multilateral treaties largely again Like these these treaties get blocked in congress or reservations are attached to them that in in effect vitiate them But in spite of that the us more or less follows The principles here and and getting hung up on that I think would be a mistake for China I think you should focus on the problem at hand. Yes, and the problem at hand. So They are China is a member of the convention, but and China is obligated then to arbitrate under that very simple member you agree to certain things and one of them is arbitration, but China has not arbitrated. What is their defense for that? You know that obligation Well, they claim the the philippines is bringing a case that violates or in effect denies Jersey that they shouldn't that the tribunal should not have jurisdiction for and they claim this for two reasons one is Uh, that this is really a dispute over who owns the islands that is sovereignty and this treaty does not cover Uh, territory island territory. It only covers the sea And there are a lot of rights in the sea that attach to the land that at the end of the day It has nothing to say about who owns the island who's sovereign And the other claim they have is they are allowed to put a reservation when they sign on to the treaty That in effect says that they do not subject themselves to this dispute mechanism When it you know, uh, when it comes to questions of delimitation Of whose water is what, you know, whose area is what in the sea? uh, and but however The provision that they sign on to merely talks about When their zones overlap and delimiting overlapping Areas in the sea, uh, and the tribunal took the view in response to these two things that they're both, uh, Wrong One is they're not going to decide and did not decide who owns the islands in the area and two, uh, there were no overlapping as What we call exclusive economics and so that's all And the tribunal therefore was not barred from taking jurisdiction In fact, it was bound to take jurisdiction under the treaty if a member state Brought an action They made a kind of special appearance though. Didn't they China made an appearance to? um to contest jurisdiction and I guess uh That that that runs uh parallel to some of the procedures we have in the united states They didn't acknowledge jurisdiction. They only appeared to say that there was no jurisdiction On the other hand, I think it was a false argument anyway Yeah, they filed a Some kind of statement about this but they didn't formally appear in the case and so they they were uh And they never did appear it was actually comparable to the way the u.s Had the nicaragua case years ago involving contra rebels and all this What the united states was brought before that tribunal in the u.s said no, there's It appeared actually and and said that and challenged jurisdiction and lost it challenged it because the u.s had a reservation to Uh, the the relevant treaties that said it would not accept Uh, the international court of justice is jurisdiction when uh involving a multilateral treaty For the courts as well. This is also customary law that you not, you know, invade another country And so the u.s lost on that this is brought up frequently by china because then the u.s actually Didn't appear further and withdrew from the jurisdiction of the international court of justice So the u.s is setting a sort of bad example here again But uh, in China's part it seems to me there's a little disingenuous to be a member Um, and then you know to contest jurisdiction and then not to appear at all Uh, wouldn't they have been better off, you know in a substantive basis? I mean it smells like in the very outset they knew they were going to lose this case because they don't have a good claim Um, but wouldn't have been better for them to appear and go through the procedure the way everybody else did I would have thought so, uh I guess then they wouldn't have the argument that they're going to ignore it and they're attacking this judgment Luciferously saying that it's an illegal one that the tribunal was constituted illegally One of the problems is that that uh, if they join in the case Then they have a right to so participate in the selection of the arbitrators the judges By not appearing they didn't have that right and so instead that was left to the president of the law of the sea court And and this person happens to be japanese So that of course china has disputes over the sea with japanese as well So but the arbitrators he selected seemed very respectable mostly from europe one from africa And so it didn't seem like a sweetheart deal at all seemed very above board and when you read the decision My god, the decision goes on for 500 pages Uh, so when you read it you can see they're very very thorough And and as I argue in this op-ed, I actually think it would have been to china's It is still is to china's advantage to use this decision Now they could have shaped it better if they had participated Perhaps they their arguments would have been more forceful or the judges that were selected would have been more sympathetic But at the end of the day Because it now the judges that were selected reached a unanimous decision in this case At the end of the day, I think there's a lot of ways out for china on this And if they read the judgment carefully doesn't seem like they have There's you know, it's really it's not as bad as they make it out to be Yeah, and your point which we'll get to in a minute is that this that this is a platform for negotiation that it is not a matter of You know using force or defending against force or Um having a real set too about it rather. This is a good start for negotiation Uh, and that's I think that's a very good contribution. This article is a valuable contribution in that regard Yeah, and it's unfortunate if you read the news today, you know, uh, the philippine Foreign minister As as it affects said that china in a meeting with the chinese foreign minister told them That the only way china would negotiate is that the philippines agrees to ignore The decision so instead of using it as a platform They're torpedoing it and saying we'll only talk to you on that basis The philippines does know if that condition is that and we're not going to talk to you So that's sort of where it's at true two thoughts about that one is that I had understood maybe I I'm not sure where I got this from but I had understood a long time ago Uh, that the the chinese had no intention of respecting the decision whatever it was unless it was in their favor Uh, that they anticipated it would not be in their favor that they didn't have a good claim Um, and that they were not going to abide by it in any event. So this is not news This is not a surprise. They take the position now The other reaction I have is that uh inherent in the notion and what and what they said to the philippines that they asked the philippines To disregard the you know decision just the way they are disregarding a decision. That's that's inherently a threat, isn't it? Well, yeah, it's certainly, uh, I think the philippine leader. He's a new one now Duterte, uh, just elected he's sort of uh Got a rather roguish reputation So people weren't quite sure what he was going to do because the action was brought by his predecessor Uh, and he's some people called the donald trump of the philippines the guy that's elected one's enough, you know And so uh, the result is you know, people didn't quite know whether he would stand his ground But I think the the popular sentiment in the philippines is that he should So he disregards this judgment at his political peril Well, before we get back to all those points and before we take our break Um, I I would like to um, you know ask you what what is the reaction in hong kong? What is the reaction in asia in general and to the extent that you can see it from there? What is the reaction in in the us in europe for this decision and to the The refusal of china to abide by Well, I think the reaction is very positive to the decision because you know is an old principle in law that Maybe no matter who wins a particular thing just having clarity as to you know principles that apply Uh can be to everyone's advantage sort of the spirit of the op-ed that you're you breath Uh, and and I think generally everyone around the world as viewed china's Claims to the long stretches of the south china sea along all of its neighbors To be excessive And it's kind of bullying its way into these claims and so to have them sort of slammed I think was generally viewed favorably by most people here in hong kong was a bit of a split because we have what we call the pro veijing camp And the you know more pro pan democratic camp Pandemocrats, I don't think are much interested or care But the pro veijing guys are all trying to give their testimonials to support the regime. So That's sort of what happens politically here And an interesting move was taiwan the new leader in taiwan has also attacked the judgment because she thinks it Takes away taiwan's or purports to take away taiwan sovereignty over Tai ping island which is in the sproutlings and it doesn't do that I mean it limits the it says in effect that island Is a rock and thus it does not have an exclusive economic zone But it does have territorial waters and the court never decides who owns it So it really didn't do as much harm to taiwan's claim as taiwan would think Do you think that taiwan is just uh accommodating the chinese point on this from political purposes It's hard to know because she's of course the dpb party Which is the one the party that doesn't get along with china So, you know the woman dong party just stepped down and so she's taken a missus size taken up office And china has cut off all communications with her. So there's a very Testy relationship going on, but they like what she did here But at the same time her base may not like it so much that she's getting close to china So, you know, all of these things have a domestic component and an external component Let's take a short break michael. It's michael davis university of hong kong professor of international law We're talking here on think tech asia about damage control in the south china sea will be right back Welcome to think tech hawaii.com. This is johnson choy your host My focus is asia in reveal. 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We're here with michael davis joins us by skype from hong kong He's a professor of international law at the university of hong kong here on think tech asia And we're talking about damage control in the south china sea and we're Operating off an article that he wrote in the inside section of the south uh south china morning post So so let's talk about some of those other points you made In the article you talked about sovereignty you touched on that before the break So the the hay does not deal with questions of sovereignty What what exactly is its jurisdiction based on here anyway? Yeah, it's based on the un treaty and the un treaty itself that un treaty of law of the sea Unclass does not address the question of sovereignty Over these islands along the sea or any any sovereign territorial issues That's not a subject to treaty if someone wants to go to a tribunal for that They would have to either set up a separate arbitration or go to the international court of justice To argue over who owns an island and so one of the objections of china and won the court accepts is that it didn't have Sovereignty to decide that and and so but it did take the view that it had the power under the treaty to decide What were islands and what were not and if something is an island that is it's not submerged during high time Uh You know, I mean, you know, this sticks above the water at high tide Then uh, it is it could have, uh, territorial waters Uh, and so, uh, it did conclude that in scar rural and in the sprout, at least there were islands Now among the island there's there's an article in the treaty that says that if an island is not subject to human habitation that you know, it's not fit for human habitation The words are in the the article there, but something of this nature then It is classified as a rock If it's a rock then it only has the territorial sea which is the 12 miles It doesn't have the other zones the exclusive economic zone or a continental shell What the what the tribunal held was that all of these islands in this Bratley's, you know These little rocks sticking up are all rocks and in effect, none of them have these 200 miles exclusive economic zones And that has a big implication for the resources and stuff there that means that whoever owns the island Only controls out to 12 nautical miles and not 200 From from the baseline of the island So so that was a critical part of the decision It seems like a massive point, but I personally am a bit skeptical about how big it is I think it's important to appreciate that these countries all of them have domestic political problems if they surrender territory They surrender sovereignty or something But from the average joe's point of view, it's the island that that you have to hold on to not all the seas around it The people in japan the right will get incensed if abbey gives up You know islands they're not going to fuss over whether he gave up some column of water somewhere But they're going to get mad if he does that and shijin ping has the same limitations and so does Duterte in the philippines. They all have to guard there and sci in taiwan They all have to guard their islands. So the fact that these islands sovereignty has not been decided I don't think is is an obstacle that should hang china up that much because at the end of the day China wants the resources in the area Companies are going to be given contracts and they're going to get these resources And it may not matter that much which country is giving them the contract Because the resources are here in the region. They're going to be available and they're going to be purchased So it becomes I think china maybe is not considering this carefully enough There's been no these so-called islands that have been designated rocks without 200 mile zones Are still up for grabs and if they can win them in any way by Negotiated settlement or by a tribunal of some nature Then that's still there. Nothing has changed in that regard. What about scabro scabro is not a rock scabro is You know a military base already and scabro is an important strategic feature in that area already Where does the decision take take on that one? The thing that's important here is scabro. Of course, it's called scarboreal shoal So in a sense if you and I were seeing its name, we would think it's all underwater During high tide But what was interesting and a lot of the media kind of got confused on this Was interesting is the court did say some parts stuck up Above water and high tide so some of it is islands and that means a 12 mile nautical mile zone around it Is still up for grabs even though it's physically Located in the Philippines exclusive economics So scarboreal does have islands, but you're talking about buildings and stuff Artificial islands the court does not consider artificial islands. They consider it only in the natural condition So if you read the decision of going on for so many pages It actually looks at the history of what it looked like before people started trying building things around there And so and that's true of all the islands where there have been built structures There are two of them that that in effect were handed to the Philippines That was the appropriately named mischief reef which China has built some artificial stuff on top of That's clearly in the Philippines area and in its natural condition never did extend above high tide So that one and the so-called second thomas shoal nearby Were in effect awarded to the Philippines because they're both deemed to be below high tide Elevation say awarded, but um, you know question is is that going to stick is china going to disregard that too? Well, it is it's claiming to disregard everything I think their case for doing that is kind of slim In effect, those are no different than the seabed and they're very clearly inside the 200 nautical miles From polymon island in the Philippines. So the result is uh, if china wants to claim them It's trying to intrude what china's argument essentially was though is the Spratlys is within 200 miles as well So if the Spratly island typing were not deemed to be Uh, just a rock Then it would have 200 miles and you would have overlapping exclusive economic zones But that didn't happen because that so the court dodged all of that in the original Motion to dismiss the case over jurisdiction the court had said it would not even decide those issues until the facts were explored Because it needed to determine whether that was a rock or an island. Yeah, by the way rock doesn't mean it's physically made of rock It just means an island not fit for human habitation And usually that that there's never been human habitation except for uh, you know, contrived human habitation Then then likely it's not fit Well, let's address the uh, the one that really offends most people and that is uh China's claim that it has some sort of co in co it historical right to this area Based on something then what was it the nine dotted line Back when which has no legal moment at all, but that's that's been their primary Position hasn't it that they have an historical right.  Yeah, that that was also part of the judgment Because this is kind of never it's never been clear just what is the basis for this historical right You know, there isn't a provision within the treaty that says if there are these established historical claims That they could be considered But I can say generally these tribunals take a dim view of it because countries in those days When it comes to uninhabited islands really didn't care about them. They were just useless because you couldn't in you know, take the Oil or whatever from the bottom of the sea, you know in the 19th century So the islands weren't really valued much So countries that try to make the altis historical claims Typically rely on the fact that fishermen stopped there and so on and tribunals And this one included don't take much they take a dim view of that that you know, that's not really a sovereignty claim China even claims on some islands in the east China sea that they sailed past them on their way to okinawa This is not a basis for sovereignty and so It's generally thought even before this that these in so-called nine dash lines which were actually 11 originally And they were written by taiwan the republic of china Would not be taken very seriously and china's never really told the world What's the basis of those claims and in this hearing? When the court in this judgment where the court goes on for 500 pages it has a number of pages Where it discusses the inadequacy of any claim based on this and argues that china has accepted the treaty So, you know the treaty is coherent, but some kind of vague historical claim is not and that was dismissed What about this these last couple of points you made in your article in the south china morning post That is that there's been environmental damage and the court recognized that And that china has been trying to shoo away Its patrol boats that have been trying to shoo away filipino Fishermen, where does that fit fit in a decision? Well, this is really important because one thing people may not appreciate there's over 300 articles In this u.m. Law of the sea treaty and many of the articles deal with issues such as these And so it's it's an important part of the treaty To preserve the natural environment of the seas And china You know in hawaii, I remember when I go to hanama bay I'm told i'm not supposed to step on the reef and they have these lovely little movies telling us all about three Well over here in the south south china sea the chinese have been blasting away at the reef You know to build these artificial islands and and I thought well, that's bad enough, you know And we're told that 60 percent of a reef is destroyed when they go about doing this And of course all the muck and mud and everything and sand that start up may kill the reefs even further people in hawaii know this But then it turns out when they want to get clams and sea turtles from underneath Areas of the reef they actually have figured out the fishermen and it's not the government But the government is somewhat responsible for what they do Had figured out that they can use boat propellers to sort of drill Yeah, I saw that in your article. I was really dismayed about that Well, you know all the equities really favor the philippine claim here And so I think it's a great statement that the hag is alive and well The tribunal is alive and well the law the sea is alive and well Except for china's refusal to abide by it and I and I think michael your point your suggestion that this is a good point of platform A starting off point for a good negotiation That would be the only realistic solution here and I sure hope we reach that I I sure hope that you continue to write and speak for that We're out of time, but I want to thank you for coming around And talking about the south china sea and the damage control. Thank you for sending the article This is an amazing issue. We'll be covering it some more in the future. Thank you michael davis professor of international law at the university of hong kong Thank you jay look forward to future discussions. Thank you


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