Yay. Hi, Ryan. Thanks for coming on the show. Hey, Alan. Thanks for the invitation. Yes. This is exciting. Ready to talk about Marxism and class analysis. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, this is very important. I'm excited to talk about this. Some background that will be helpful for the audiences. And I think that Ryan and I go back like 15 years through the early days of high school actually in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. And then Ryan and I also pass some time together in Minneapolis in Minnesota and then also in San Francisco and the Bay Area. And so we've maintained our friendship over the last decade and a half. And we've also been exploring different lenses of perception. And yes, and in this case, this related especially to meeting basic needs for me. This is where I'm most interested in this topic is as basic needs are met. People get to expand their lens of perception to incorporate more self actualization and self realization. So both empowerment and enlightenment, and they get to do that based on leaving the contracted energy, which is feeling like their entire consciousness is tied to economics. It tied to earning a wage tied to labor. And so we're going to talk about that. And Ryan has been for the last two years involved in the Marxist Leninist from the angle, especially a pharmacy, which is where we're also going to talk about this as a pharmacist. And most recently also with the Center for Political Innovation, building a vision for socialism with American characteristics. So, and you guys may hear me call Ryan Cotton as we talk. And Ryan, yeah, yeah. And Ryan, you can, I know that for Ryan, it's funny calling me Atlas, but call me Atlas. Yeah. Okay. Atlas. Love it. So, all right, cotton, let's start things off with the journey. And we have this really cool doc that Ryan put together for us, where we will sort of be breaking down a lot of the concepts in more detail for you guys. And we have these great visualizations as well. And, and hopefully they'll enable a visualization of the core points that Ryan is going to be sharing with us. So, I find this intro to be really interesting with pharmacy because it's basically what everyone knows, Ryan, everyone knows this, they go in to the doctor's office or any healthcare pharmacy. And what happens immediately is they're wondering, is the doctor or pharmacist incentives? Are they perverse? Are they tied to the company's bottom line and profit? Or are they actually interested in invested in my health? And so that's a great intro into this. So, let's have you kick it off. Yeah. Thank you for that introduction, Atlas. So, I'll just kind of introduce how I got interested in Marxism. And like you said, it's only been two years for me. I'm relatively new to Marxism. But I feel that I've put a lot of work in to try to understand it. And it's taken me a while to get to the positions I've come to. So, working in retail pharmacy and seeing countless patients get burned by a healthcare system that puts profits before patients. In pharmacy school, we were taught a philosophy of care, a philosophy of care that always puts patients first. Seeing my patients frustrated with insurance policy and drug costs, I started working in the health payer industry, where I quickly realized that there was a fundamental misalignment between the interests of my patients and the financial interests in healthcare. So, I became a pharmacist to fight for my patients. However, I've realized that fighting imperialism and advocating socialism seem to be the only way to resolve the contradictions in healthcare. So, what started as just as a pharmacist trying to serve my patients turned into this long journey of discovering what was really holding our system back from evolving. And it's capitalism. And so, since then, I've been reading a lot of books. I used to not really be a reader, but I just got stacks and stacks of books here. I got a huge bookshelf now. I do a lot of reading in my free time. And also, currently working with the Center for Political Innovation, trying to develop our ideological positions, working with a group of very devoted, committed Marxist-Leninists and 21st century socialists. And kind of the position we've taken as an organization is that our role as communists, as Marxists, as class-conscious workers is to educate the masses. And so, historically, the left has kind of been stuck in this movement politics without really an emphasis on going out to the broad population. And so, that's what we believe is key right now is fostering a vision for what America could look like as a socialist country and getting that out to the masses. So, there's two core points there that I really found critical, which was that the notion that you have this great incentive engine, which in a sense is if you end up doing some sort of profound innovation, capitalism will ensure that in many ways that you can get rewarded for this profound innovation and for hard work, which is cool. And it's important. And yet, at the same time, there's this extractive essence simultaneously that capitalism has promulgated and we have to just be honest about that, where we're putting profits over people.  And so, we have to be completely honest about that and we have to also recognize that there are benefits to, and you'll probably hear me reference collectivism and merging collectivism with individualism. And I'll probably be calling it that, whereas you could also view it as like capitalism and socialism or communism. But I do like collectivism and individualism and merging those two together like the best of both together into whatever the next generation future architecture is, which is what we'll also be talking about. And then the other thing that I like that you mentioned was this is what the redesigning is of the social contract, which puts people first is that when you sort of gain awareness of the unity of all existence and being, when you actually see everyone else as yourself, when you sort of get to that high level of consciousness where you begin seeing everyone else as yourself, all as that one intelligence, which is this universe at play, when you begin seeing that you have no other interest, but to ensure like be in service to ensuring that people's basic needs are met and to be insured and to ensure that people have fractional ownership in the next generation architectures and that we get to things like the Venus project or Star Trek as quickly and efficiently as possible. We have these big bright north stars. And so this is where decentralization, blockchain, cryptocurrency, biomimicking the fungal networks and the internet and these different things that we've seen as a biological archetype, which we'll probably talk about more as we go through the show. But I really enjoyed that first lens, which is everyone feels that so relatably is healthcare and is the doctor, the pharmacist, is the healthcare system actually having my interests first or is it putting the profits first? And this is also felt obviously with other industries like food is, is this food actually putting my health first or is this food putting their addictive substances first so that I come back and continue purchasing the food to increase the bottom line of the food company. So people are feeling this more and more and they feel very weird about how profit is being put first over people. Exactly. Yeah, food isn't produced to feed people. It's produced so a capitalist can sell it and make a profit. Healthcare is the same way. It's, it's not there to heal people. It's, it's there to make people who've, it's people, it's there to make profits and it initially was put in place as a, because there was demand for it by the, by the working class. And so most of the gains we've made as a society have been advocated by the working class rising up and demanding it. And the point you made about technology is really interesting because that's a really essential part of Marxism is that technology really drives the economy forward. And what's happened with capitalism is technology or in machines and robots, they're, they're called labor saving devices and that they've, they now compete with the workers. And that doesn't mean that technology is bad, but it means that, that the capitalists are using technology to create an unemployed class and, and yeah, workers aren't, workers haven't benefited from the technology, the massive technology that, that has happened in the past few decades. The workers haven't seen one, one penny of it. It's, it's gone directly up to the capitalists and they're appropriating more and more today than they ever have. A wealth inequality is pretty insane. Right now it's, it's a historic levels and technology should be serving, serving everyone, not just a few. So I love, I love what you just said there. I'll provide some additional data, which is that the current statistics for wealth is that there are 2,200 billionaires on the planet and there are 225,000 ultra high net worth individuals and families, which ultra high net worth is 30 million plus in assets. And so in a sense, if you looked at this like the, like the fungal networks and how they relate to the, like the mother trees in the forest is that the mother trees that are extracting additional CO2 and then converting that in photosynthesis are serving the smaller trees and fungi with sugars with the photosynthetic process. And so they're providing as the mother tree the additional resources to the smaller seedlings and smaller trees and fungi and there, and there's a two way resource exchange because the fungi are also taking out nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, water and they're giving it to the other trees and mother trees as well. So it's not a one way, it's two way. But so now what we're looking at is the question would be what's going on with the hyper wealthy where out of every new dollar that is generated and I think this is also a very important visualization is the this website is really helpful for people what the fuck happened in 1971 WTF happened in 1971.com and what you see is that you have this median male income in around 1971 that flat lined right here meanwhile real GDP continued to skyrocket and so now you have this real GDP that's continuing to skyrocket which is mostly the highest wealthiest people that are taking the profits of this real GDP skyrocketing meanwhile median male income as you know with all of your friends they're wondering the friends that are in the vast majority of people they're all wondering why am I not seeing an increase in my purchasing power and so now this is what this is a really useful visualization yeah that's it that's so interesting you point to that year in 1971 because I was gonna talk about that it's in our document here and what what happened from the Marxist perspective that year where is it Ryan in the it's under the what what happened after World War two right here yeah and the rise of neoliberalism aha okay cool yeah let's do that then well before we get all the way there I'd like to cover a few more things let's do it this part up here right yeah so okay so you were talking about our unity and realizing our our unity and so Marxists see that we're united as a class and what what classes is our our relationships to production so most of us are workers we we have to work for a living that's how we obtain our means of substance that's how we feed ourselves house ourselves all that the ruling class or the capitalist or the bourgeoisie they live off the work of others so they don't actually produce anything they're living off the work that the workers have produced and so so to understand class we got to step back a little bit understand dialectical materialism which is the philosophy of Marxism and so dialectical materialism as opposed to idealism whereas dialectical materialism believes that our material reality forms our consciousness whereas idealism is more utopian and it believes that our consciousness determines our material reality and historical materialism is just applying dialectical materialism to history and so this is the first major contribution that Marx made and so in the the communist manifesto here it starts out on the first page he says the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class troubles so what does that really mean well all throughout history there's always been there's always been a division between a ruling class and a subordinate class except for in the very beginning where Marx called it primitive communism and this is like classless society you can think of hunting and gathering or I think you shared with me a few years ago this Ubuntu society which was pretty interesting and so they're a classless society they're there isn't exploitation there isn't a ruling class and an underclass that's working for the ruling class they kind of all work together but as technology progressed with the agricultural revolution hunting and gathering became inefficient and so we saw the first major social economic order which was slavery and so some major examples to think about what slavery looked like was Rome ancient Greece ancient Egypt and so in slavery we had the ruling class which was the masters and the underclass was the slaves and so eventually this system so there's these contradictions and so the contradictions got too intense and they had to become resolved and when they become resolved we get a new system so it became inefficient and what we needed was feudalism so in feudalism the lords owned the land and they hired serfs to work on the land so the serfs worked half their half their days work went to paying the lords off and the other half went to serving their family or whatever so feudalism was mostly in Europe and it was the kings and the queens and eventually we know that that fell in the French Revolution and it gave rise to capitalism and so in capitalism it wasn't an agrarian society like feudalism we now had machines industrial industrialization which gave rise to the capitalist class which we've talked about right off the work of others and then the workers and so now the ruling class isn't it's not kings and queens anymore it's now this broader broader group of capitalists and when we think of capitalists we have to be specific to who we're talking about this is the 1% this is the global elite this isn't your restaurant owner or small business owner so we're not against it's the person that owns the land on that entire block that is then renting the buildings out to the business owners exactly and land is a very important theme in this because in feudalism the kings and queens are all the land and so that was basically just transferred to the capitalists and now the capitalists on the land and so socialism what that is is it kind of flips those that class relation on its head and so now the workers are the ruling class or the proletariat and the capitalists the bourgeoisie are now subordinate to the working class so what I was saying about small business owners restaurant owners this is they might have a better standard of life standard of living so Marx categorized them as the petty bourgeoisie and so they're not the big bourgeoisie the capitalists but they do they do benefit from the system and they kind of go either way depending on either way in supporting capitalists or the workers kind of depending on the historical situation and which side serves their interests during that time there's also another group called the lump in proletariat which is the criminal class the drug dealers burglars and prostitution pimps and all that both of these both of these groups you can just consider them part of the working class still because they're the 99% they're not part of this 1% that owns the land and owns the means of reduction and and only serve themselves okay so let's play with this for a little bit as we continue going through this because this is a very beginning breakdown for us so one thing that you mentioned that immediately got a big going was that the relationship between idealism or focusing on one's own inner subjective conscious experience and the relationship between the external materialistic architectures is very profound and important and the two are ultimately one but it's nice to also split them into two to understand them and so in this case both your own individual sovereign conscious experience and the way that you can have deep amounts of equanimity with whatever is arising in perception and sensation is very important but simultaneously the planetary architectures themselves that enable you to be equanimous and peaceful are very important because if you're having a massive war or if you're having massive inequality if you're not having massive needs being met in your materialistic existence then you're going to that's profoundly going to influence your ability to be peaceful and happy and prosperous and flourishing and so we have to merge those two things together as we awaken our and make our self actualization and self realization and also enable these architectures that I like how you brought up the essence of land land was such a big one because it basically was the first monkeys that evolved and said that I'm going to own this piece of land and people were like what the fuck do you mean you're going to own this land this is where the natural flow of existence and you're going to just put a couple of stakes in the ground and say that I'm going to shoot you if you walk on this land and then from there everything so super drastically changed because then you have like you described you have people that are in this slave or surf or worker class and then you have the people that are in the master the lord or the capitalistic class and it's really important to understand that and to understand how to transition us slowly and rapidly at the same time into where you have more fractional ownership where you have more decentralization where you have more maximizing prosperity for everyone simultaneously I think that that was a great insight that we were going through together is recognizing the merging of idealism and materialism and recognizing the decentralization of land ownership and also ownership of assets in general there's so few people that have ownership of stocks is another one and how can you make fractional ownership of stocks more common where somebody with five bucks or ten bucks can own a little small portion of these next generation companies and how can then they get paid dividends for that process more easily to where it's not some massive conglomerate centralized entity that is managing everything but rather it's a more decentralized frictionless process for people to become fraction fractional owners yeah so I think the material reality perspective and the idealist perspective of consciousness well consciousness and material reality they're in a dialectic and so they're working together and they will form a unity and that's what dialectics teaches is that we see we see the problems in this world as opposing forces and eventually they will meet and create something new and so yeah land is a major contradiction that we just live with we accept that that there's people that own the majority of the land I was just looking at this graphic that showed Bill Gates and how much land he owns all over the US he owns like a major portion of land in over half the states and so yeah there's been this transformation as well within capitalism from more of an industrial base to more of a financial base so we can talk about that a little more later too but yeah so these contradictions in society they come together and they form the new system and so that's what we've seen is these classes the history of class struggle these classes are antagonistic to each other they come together in a conflict a revolution and we see a new system emerge and so history is the history of class struggles each of these systems as Marx recognized each of them has this class conflict between a ruling class and the subordinate class that conflict eventually comes together there's an explosion, a revolution or something and we see the new system interesting which is basically what's happening right now again is people feeling like they are, their basic needs aren't being met they don't have any inclusive stakeholder in the real GDP continuing to skyrocket meanwhile their purchasing power is flat lining and there's more and more people that are like we want decentralization now we want fractional ownership now we want our basic needs met now we want this now and we need the help of billionaires and high net worth people to awaken to helping see the whole planet as the brothers and sisters as their family in maximizing our collective potential I can, do you want to move down to the graphic those two pictures? Yes so another, this is another important subject relating to historical materialism and dialectical materialism is this idea of the superstructure so the superstructure there's kind of two layers to society so on the bottom, that red half circle or that blue box that's the economic base and so when we think of capitalism, feudalism and slavery it's not just an economic system it's a higher social order and it's based on the material base and so in feudalism we had an agrarian society and that change with factories and industry and that's the basis of capitalism and so the top part is the ideology and so that's how we think and act and things that fall into that category are art, culture, religion, philosophy law, healthcare, politics, science, education all those things and so when we think about a capitalist society there's always its corresponding ideology which today is liberalism liberalism is the ideology of capitalism and they shape each other and so capitalism shapes how we think and act our ideology and that actually goes back down and influences the economic system and so they're always in this conflict this is so important, this visual is so important in order for you to be able to expand your consciousness for you to awaken to your highest potential and possibility you need your basic needs to be met and you also need to be a fractional owner in the success of our species it has to happen, the consciousness and materialism are ultimately one and they're in dialectic and you have to have your basic needs be met and you have to have fractional ownership in the planet's success for you to be able to explore your highest potential otherwise you're going to get stuck in a perpetual cycle of trying to meet your basic needs and you're never going to be able to explore your highest potential and so this is such a good way to visualize what is going on between awakening and physicalism or architectures it's like you have two things, you have awakening you have to have them both playing together at the same time so we really need to hone in on external architectures to enable awakening as well, it's great and so I think one of the problems in the west in American society is we've had an ideology pushed and imposed upon us and so this ideology that we live in and so we can see if we look at our institutions like the military institutions how that's so antagonistic to the workers and to humans our education system doesn't work in the capitalist society at least today all these systems are kind of just breaking down right now and they seem like they're breaking down because they're antagonistic to the worker because they're not the worker's ideology they're the capitalist ideology and so the alternative to capitalist ideology liberalism is Marxism and so that's what Marxism is it's an ideology, it's a way of thinking it's a way of analyzing the world it's a tool to see how we can use to better understand the problems in the world and so what socialism aims to do one of the definitions of socialism is that it's the antithesis of capitalism so it's seeking to resolve many of the contradictions that capitalism has brought about like the land contradiction that's a major contradiction the fact that we have to live with a state a state that taxes us and goes to war and taxes us for the horse the state isn't particularly to anyone's liking and we can talk about this more but one of the things Lenin articulated is he advanced the theory of Marxism in a few ways one of the ways is understanding the state as a tool of class oppression so in a capitalist society they utilize the state as an institution to serve their needs to serve their interests to serve profits and in a socialist society they use the state in a different way to serve public need and so you had asked about class consciousness specifically and I had to explain all those things to get there but being class conscious is simply just realizing that you're a worker in this class struggle and you realize that there's this historical progression of society so you're realizing your historical mission as a worker to play a role in the transition from capitalism to socialism and the higher sages of socialism and it's really this process it's realizing that it's realizing a greater good really it's realizing that you have an obligation as a class conscious worker you're not just a worker you're someone who's actually realized this important fact of history and that you have an obligation a duty and a mission to do something about it like imperialism and these wars we have a duty to fight against that that's bullshit we don't want to be a part of that we don't we don't advocate and support the wars that's the ruling class who's pushed that upon us and manufactured consent to get us to buy into these wars and so what we've seen today with the Bernie and Trump movement is that they they talked a lot of a lot about being anti-war being anti-establishment the establishment today is the neoliberals and they're the ones in control have been in control and so what they've really represented was something that wasn't class conscious but they understand or they know that there's something really wrong at the core of our society and so they are pushing back against the establishment and both have different solutions class unconscious solutions but that's the role of the communists of the class conscious worker is to push these movements forward to educate them and help them realize the vision and help understand that the problems they're seeing are actually contradictions within capitalism that could be resolved wow so class consciousness is this transformation at least what I've experienced the past few years is going from just a worker to a class conscious worker or what we call a proletariat this process is also called proletarianization once you become this class conscious worker you could also call yourself a communist because that's and that communist is a weird word because it has a lot of weird definitions but another definition that Marx uses is that communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself we call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things the present state of things is neoliberalism it's capitalism in decay imperialism or what Lenin calls the highest stage of capitalism the present state of things is not good we want to change that will benefit the public and there is a movement already here in America there's an objective communist movement here today and that's what I think Bernie and Trump represent and no one wants to call I mean you'd be laughed out of the room calling either of them a communist but what their movements represent is possibly something communist they're anti-war, anti-establishment against the neoliberal order that's been in charge and the people in these movements understand something they know that there is something wrong at the core one of my I have a really good quote from this book by Nelson Peary he talks a lot about the role of the vanguard or the communists and what they should be doing this book here and he has a quote that the future is up to us yeah the future is up to us and yeah there's a cool cover on there but he says that the role of the vanguard or the class conscious worker is to help people understand what they already know and so I think we've realized that in our work at the Center for Political Innovation in realizing our role as educators in fostering a vision for a better America yep yep and we'll be covering this in more detail as well in a little bit on the show so one thing that you continuously reference which I think is so beautiful is that and this is sort of the angle that I've been so pumped about taking this as well as that you when you sort of get out of what has been a habitual pattern of just running a script of going and working and then paying bills like without having a level of metacognition or awareness of what you're doing like awareness of your thinking process of why am I going to work these 40 hours to earn the money to pay the rent and the food what kind of new architectures can I have to increase my freedom to increase my awakened states of consciousness this type of thing for myself, my family my community all this and I like how you talked about this like a shift the proletarianization right? because it really is it's like gaining a level of metacognition about what you're doing and about how to enable your own deeper freedom and awakening and also the planetary architectures that then feed back on elevating consciousness and on increasing fractional ownership and everybody getting shares of the pie and us having like a big planetary birthday party every day and in order to get there we have to sort of awaken from the existing architectures that are not serving us and so and nobody wants to pay a trillion dollars a year for a military industrial complex and it's like something ridiculous like $600 billion a year for that and then $60 billion a year for education and Nikola Tesla was pointing at this as well is that you have to flip those numbers around you have to be putting in a trillion dollars a year into your education and be only putting in whatever a couple tens of billions into just like military research stuff that doesn't even have to do with war but it has more to do with things like figuring out unity generators figuring out fusion technology figuring out clean renewable energies and whatnot and having engineers and military be focused around that and not on imperialism and you're right there's a huge uprising that's happened in politics where the average Joe whether it's on the left or the right politically in the US is awakening to what the fuck I want a share in the success of this country I want to share in the success of what I do every day I deserve a fractional ownership in the company that I work for every day why do I as an employee that's driving for Uber not get a small amount of Uber ownership in tokens that then I've been driving for for five years that I deserve a share of the token ownership and not just a paycheck but also a share in the company success on the stock market as well and so there's all these different ways to view how to increase fractional ownership and to make the transition towards a more decentralized ownership of planetary success so cool stuff and this is really important because it locks your consciousness because Ryan's right this is similar to myself and so many others is that you feel like your consciousness is locked in the existing scripts that are inhibiting your freedom and the only way to liberate your consciousness is to become metacognized around your processes and then also to inspire more people to reflect on how to architect a more abundant, prosperous future yeah and there's a lot of forces holding us back from becoming class conscious I'll talk about some of those in a bit but one of them is already we've talked about is ideology and that liberalism and the ideology of the ruling class extremely antagonistic to us as workers and Marx has this term called alienation which is pretty interesting so in the past is that in here? no I didn't write it okay okay alienation let's talk about it because we were talking about the individual and how so alienation when we go back and understanding our relationships to production maybe in the past we consider like a shoemaker they would make a shoe and they would spend a lot of hard work in producing this shoe and then they would sell it to their friend or their neighbor or somebody and they would be providing a major service because people need shoes and so the worker back then was connected to their work and work is extremely important in our well-being and being able to contribute to society through your work is really important I think to being human and so Marx describes this process of alienation where we're kind of becoming less human we're becoming alien because we're separated from the products of our labor and so you can imagine like a McDonald's worker or something today where they don't have any relationship to the food that they that they get like the beef and the vegetables they have nothing to do with where that's coming from and then maybe they're working at a drive through and they never see even see the customer they don't see the customer that they produce so that's really frustrating internally as a worker is that you don't get to see the benefit or the product of your labor sorry that's kind of a side thing that's really important though because if you're not feeling like you're directly part of the serving of people with what you're doing everyday in a helpful, flourishing, abundant way and if you're not getting fractional ownership in that process you're not going to feel healthy, happy, prosperous and you mentioned the Uber driver this is a great example of a process that's happened since World War II so before World War II we had a lot of factories and we had a national economy and there's this term called Fordism which is that these factories were unionized and they had a very efficient process to developing products but since World War II we've seen a globalization of the economy which has pushed a lot of these jobs these manufacturing jobs out of the country and so there's kind of this mechanized aspect of work today that really is alienating and so I think Uber this term I'm kind of getting at is called Post Fordism and so we no longer work in unions we no longer work in single factories and there isn't a national business this business is international now and we're just kind of all pieces we're all kind of working in different places along the production line in different countries and what not so I guess that gets me to kind of a bigger idea I wanted to cover was this within capitalism there has been kind of two phases or even three phases so the two phases and each of the social economic systems have something like this so there's a progressive phase and a reactionary phase and so the progressive phase is the early period it's the revolutionary phase and the reactionary phase is kind of the decaying the system is decaying and so in the progressive phase there's people who wanted capitalism because it was an advancement beyond feudalism and so we had the Jacobins during the French Revolution and the rise of industrialism and this was all about kind of defeating feudalism and building up a new a new system which was very revolutionary at the time but later on its capitalism is less effective and we saw the rise of socialism in the USSR in 1917 and then China in 1949 capitalism has been on this steep decline and so there's people within the ruling class they want to protect and sustain this old system and we had the same people during feudalism there was loyalists and loyalists who were reactionary to feudalism that wanted to keep that old system that old way of thinking that were antagonistic to the revolutionary capitalists who wanted industries and private ownership instead of nobility ownership and so there's these two phases and so right now we're in the reactionary phase of capitalism and we've been in that system I would say everything changed in World War II and part of that part of the transformation of World War II was going from where each capitalist state had a national economy to now where there's a global economy and so after World War II there was something called the Bretton Woods Agreement which created a world system pegged on the US dollar and was really just petrodollars because our dollar was pretty much linked to oil so one of the things I want to say so there's these three phases as well so I kind of talked about an early phase where there's this kind of really brutal industrialization that's where Marx worked, that's what he saw was early capitalism the writer Charles Dickens he talks about that time period where there was child labor people working 14-hour days and it was horrible but later on as the productive forces developed there was enough wealth in society to provide social programs well let me back up with early capitalism it was basically like a free market and so this free market there was this increased frequency of crisis and in 1929 we had a really big crisis which led to the Great Depression and so what capitalist economists developed from the work of Maynard Keynes was this Keynesianism theory which was that the state would intervene to prevent these crashes and would also provide social programs to the workers and one of the reason they had to provide social programs is that they were on the other side of the world they were dealing with the USSR and the USSR came about and there was socialism and so capitalism needed a product that would compete with socialism because there was all these advances going on on the other side of the world so capitalism was also after the Great Recession there was a huge surge in communists here in America and a huge communist movement the Socialist Party got a ton of votes in one of the elections there and so there was this basically the ruling class had two options they either had to do something to make the workers happy or they had to take this complete control of the capitalist system and so what FDR did was the New Deal which created a welfare state and social programs this was a class concession it was concessions to the working class to prevent them from having a revolution because there's people asking for FDR's head they weren't happy about capitalism after the Great Depression and so really the way this worked these class concessions these class consciousness because if you're kind of being offered these social programs that did improve your standard of living you were less you were less able to kind of see the harsh realities of capitalism so it's like getting a little temporary relief for not looking to the depth of the issue at hand they're buying off a section of the working class giving them a better life so they didn't have to think about the class struggle the realities of capital society that was happening so the ruling class was they were able to do this because capitalism was at its peak there was high productivity we still had an international economy at this time but these programs they were for a section of the working class mostly white they're unionized so this created another kind of conflict between this wealthy white working class and non-white kind of non-white working class we saw this emergence of the labor aristocracy which is a really important term in Marxism and so this labor aristocracy is just this section of the working class that had a better life than others and so they had really no interest in a communist revolution or a socialist transition because the needs were being met with the decline of capitalism and the decay of our system in the face of China and rising socialism is that we've had the capitalism is turned into what Lenin calls imperialism or the highest stage of capitalism so in order to sustain the high levels of profits that the capitalists were doing really this Keynesianism programs threatened their class interests and they're making less profits so they had to go elsewhere to make those profits and so they went to the third world and so what they've been doing and with most of the Cold War is going to other countries destroying any kind of social movements they have either through coups or manufactured protests and if as a last resort wars to keep these third world countries poor and so there's a really good quote by Michael Prenti in a video there's a video out there on YouTube of him saying this but he says that the third world is not poor you don't go to poor countries to make money there are very few poor countries in this world most countries are rich only the people are poor ordinary people pay the cost of empire these countries are not underdeveloped they are over exploited and so these countries are rich because they have so many natural resources like the Congo for example there's a wealth of resources in the Congo but they've had a capitalist dictator and now capitalist leaders overseeing and appropriating the wealth for the ruling class in those countries rather than a system a socialist system that would serve the entire public and so imperialism is a really key concept it's not just wars a lot of people in early Marxist or socialist thinkers will think it's just wars but it's more than that it's an economic system it's the decay of capitalism and so as capitalism continues its decline they'll need to increasingly extract money from the third world and so the tension the tension is only increased and only intensified as of late and will only intensify that's capitalism's only way out is to continue an increasing exploitation and so we've seen the decline in the disintegration of the labor aristocracy with movie manufacturing to the third world and they're now bringing imperialism home and so and so people's people are getting more and more exploited wealth inequalities even higher than it's ever been another aspect of of this phase is neoliberalism which is austerity politics and pushing the burden the financial burden of society increasingly from the ruling class who used to pay for a lot of social programs and pushing that responsibility onto the public increasing their taxes slashing the programs that serve them because it doesn't serve their interests like healthcare there's no interest in the ruling class to provide healthcare and there's no interest for them to provide housing or food and so and so yeah there's this major transformation that's taken place since 1971 that year that was the year that the Bretton Wood system collapsed and so where the US economy was paid on the dollar the international community started to say that this isn't going to work because our debt was increasing we're increasingly debt financing the wars and these social programs both on the backs of the rest of the world who had to use petrodollars to pay back America and use only the dollar as the world's reserve currency so in 1971 a little bit before that the French were asking for their gold back from the United States and so Nixon was basically forced to suspend the gold standard in 1971 and so the world was no longer paid on the dollar it was now this floating currency or fiat currency and so basically we've just been printing unlimited money since then and that system again has collapsed in 2008 basically and I think we're going to see another collapse here soon which is going to be really destructive and we thought it was going to come with COVID and that kind of pushed it away but there's something else coming and the United States is a kind of there's a new alternative that's going to emerge yeah I covered a lot of ideas there so this was probably one of the most insightful ways of viewing the most recent transition I like how when you look at it from the historical materials and perspective you almost see a full circling happening where we're kind of shifting back to a lot of the more indigenous inclusive stakeholders where everyone has a share in the collective success and we're leveraging technology like decentralization and fractional ownership to make the transition back to where we're one with nature and we're one with each other after this the swing into all of this technology and innovation and what not and I like also how it's viewed especially most recently as the transition away from what looks like the most the most perverse incentives in the more neoliberalistic globalization imperialism vibe where there are our fellow brothers and sisters across all of these countries billions where they're also rather than having their basic needs be focused on being served there's also an extractive vibe that is present there as well and so it's also not only in these incredible places like that I've had a lot of prosperity most recently like the US but also going into these countries where we can hone in on the basic needs being met we can do the leapfrogging where they don't have to go through the same style of the perverse incentives but they can leapfrog the perverse incentives to the next generation inclusive stakeholder architectures that was really exciting as well and yeah one more transformation that I forgot to mention with neoliberalism is that there was this transformation before World War II from an industrial society an industrial capitalist to now financial society and financial capital so another word for imperialism is finance capital monopoly or the monopoly of bankers and so today we have a global elite a banking elite that is control of the capitalist world and so it kind of goes back I guess to like the American Revolution in that we did the American revolution because we didn't want kings overseas ruling us but now we have those kings they're back and they're financial capitalists and the 1% and they run the world and their wealth is increasingly becoming concentrated with neoliberalism and great example of neoliberalism is Clinton he deregulated the banking industry with Glass-Steagall he deregulated the telecommunications companies now we have this insane media monopoly and so it is in decline liberalism is collapsing on to itself and we've seen a lot of antagonistic elements come out of the ruling class so with cancel culture today as an example like the ruling class which is now centered around Silicon Valley and the tech economy which is highly highly the same with healthcare is pushing this culture war and censoring people and no one wants that the working class knows that this is not good we don't want this and so I think that's another part of this objective communist movement something that's forming underneath the surface that's another definition of Marxism actually is being able to look beyond surface appearances to see to see what's going on and so that's why he was dialectics because it's you can't just look at the surface and make conclusions about the world there's everything has a lot of nuance and so and there's a dialectic relationship always taking place that kind of a struggle between two forces so understanding that those underlying forces is really key this is a great way for people to ask themselves the question what is at the root of my experience because when you ask yourself that question your answer is typically awareness awareness is at the root of your experience but then you also ask well what is your awareness bound to and typically the first answer if you also recognize that it's unbounded it's not bound but then it's also is bound to your basic needs being met as in your fundamental social contracts the fundamental architectures the fundamental fractional ownership the fundamental decentralization the fundamental biomimicry sustainability renewables all the good stuff that make it so that your awareness can stay fully liberated all the time and your architectures can feed back into your awakening this is exactly the line of thinking that we need is people asking what is at the root beyond the surface appearances and how do we maximize our success at the root level architecturally so yes one of the channels I follow is infrared and one of his lines is that that Marxist are looking beyond the visible spectrum into the infrared and so I think that's a really cool way to think about Marxism and the way we think what else what else here in this next section do you feel like is really critical to address I want to talk about this concept called Bonapartism where is that on here yeah just go up a little bit oh there it is okay yeah so and by the way do you feel like you need to use the restroom are you okay right now I'm okay you're okay I'm gonna just go use the restroom very quickly continue speaking about Bonapartism and I will join you back in just a moment okay okay okay so yes so in the 18th premiere of Louis Bonapart one of Marx's most important books he describes what he calls Bonapartism and Bonapartism is when there's divisions within the ruling class and so as I mentioned capitalism is in decay right now and we don't have a we don't have a Keynesian system in the state to really protect the economy from crashes and so what we've seen with 2008 and and since we've seen an increasing frequency of crashes and crisis within capitalism and so as these crisis crises continue the ruling class becomes increasingly divided on how to handle on how to handle the situation of a declining economic system and so and so in the 18th premiere here he describes Bonapart who is kind of a strong man and he took control after in France after a lot of turmoil but he kind of had measures that served the broad masses he kind of had a populist message but he also was pretty militaristic and so two good examples to think of Bonapartism is FDR and Hitler and the what they did exactly so FDR again with the rise of the communist movement in the 1930s he kind of had two decisions he could either take full control of the economy in the interest of the ruling class or he could provide class concessions to the workers to kind of blunt class consciousness and give the workers a few crumbs and as we know he went with the class concessions he introduced a big deal and gave workers some breathing room in the United States but also again blended class consciousness on the right we saw Hitler and so what he did it wasn't class concessions he did class control and so he kind of he was a strong man who worked in the interests in Nazi Germany and made reforms that were in their interests and had a full repression against any communist he slaughtered millions of communists after he went into power and had a very repressive state so there's kind of two routes you can go and fascism is the most extreme example of Bonapartism but today that's really what we need to be kind of having an open eyes and ears and looking out for fascism because or fascism 2.0 or some kind of illiberal liberalism because we don't have the industrial base that we did during the World War II period to provide to provide class concessions we don't have that we don't have that same type of economy anymore and so really all the ruling class can do to sustain their profits is class control measures so that's why we've seen a lot of austerity the Hitler did a lot of austerity programs as well stripped a lot of social programs and pushed a lot of the burden onto the public but some other Bonapartists we can think about JFK was kind of a Bonapartist he represented the industrial or not the industrial the international finance sector of capitalists which was kind of a new sector at that time in the 60's like I said after World War II we had this transition from a national global economy the global economy is kind of what JFK represented and there are some theories that maybe that's why he was assassinated because he was too good with them and then we had Nixon who was often called the last liberal president because he was the last Keynesian he was the last guy who had social programs he developed like the EPA environmental protection agency and and he really served one section of the ruling class so today as capitalism is facing another crisis we've seen this division between the ruling classes and so that's I think this is the best way to understand the divisions between the Republicans and the Democrats is that this isn't a division between the working class this is a division between the ruling class and so Biden and Clinton and Obama what they represent is neoliberalism is this austerity politics is global financial capital monopoly and Trump and Bernie well Trump because he actually got elected really pushed back against this establishment he had protectionist type of economy he had put a lot of tariffs on China and that is to the neoliberal economy which advocates for free global market so this idea of false consciousness kind of emerges here because these divisions again they're not divisions within the working class they're within the ruling class and so they've projected this division and made a lot of us think that we should fight for as well so there's a lot of people who identify with the parties again it's important to say that this country isn't split half and half as a lot of people will think half of the people didn't vote for Biden and half of the people didn't vote for Trump it's a quarter a quarter of Americans voted for Biden and a quarter of Americans voted for Trump and these people may have been may have been kind of influenced by what Marx would call a false consciousness or it's a consciousness it's not their consciousness as workers it's the consciousness of the ruling class so it's false it's not their consciousness it's the ideology of the ruling class and so the working class I think is becoming more united and I think that is one of the tasks of the class conscious worker of communists today is to help workers realize that they're united I didn't mention the other half of Americans are the people that didn't vote the 150 Americans that didn't vote that realize this system doesn't work and they don't even want to vote because it doesn't serve them there's a huge untapped potential in America today to win these people over if we went over half of Bernie or half of Biden voters and half of Trump voters and half of this 150 million Americans that didn't vote we could have a viable third party that could challenge the neoliberal social order that exists today and so it's important today right now as our task to help educate the masses and reach those people those 150 million people that aren't stupid they know something very very important and that the system isn't working for them activating the other 150 million people in the U.S. and even worldwide people know that this type of non-inclusive stakeholder this exclusive stakeholder is not working for them and so it's great to figure out the ways to activate their engagement in building out the decentralized architectures inclusive stakeholder activating awakening consciousness all of that and by the way as we keep talking I just want to I just want to reference the core essences as possible as we keep talking because a lot of this is also it's insightful but it is kind of it can kind of get a little bit into the weeds and I also want to stay at like the core essences as much as possible as we keep playing yeah I did want to just mention one more thing about onapartism so the way that's manifested in the United States is that the Democrats coming all the way from the Carter era and beyond they represent more of a soft power and the Republicans and the neocons like Bush advocate more of a hard power so there's always been this rift in America in the military industrial complex or the ruling class between there's been this rift between the CIA and the Pentagon so the CIA they work undercover covertly in other countries to manufacture these protests and coups and I mean they're not all about war whereas the hard power the Pentagon, the Republicans these neocons will push military intervention and invasions and so I mean that's where Iraq war came from as opposed to like some of the coups that the CIA did I mean there's so many but there's they're trying to do a few right now like in Cuba Cuba right now there's these manufactured protests like CIA backed Biden supporting protests in Cuba from a very small fraction of disgruntled Cubans and they're trying to manufacture this unarrest in the country whereas the majority of Cubans support the government and have been in the streets in the millions fighting what the US is trying to do right now but the CIA they you just look at Libya Libya had a socialist government under Gaddafi they're the most prosperous country in Africa and Obama and Hillary went in there and killed and assassinated Gaddafi and so that place has just been in ruins ever since they have open slave trade and they didn't need a full on military invasion and there was pretty invasive still sitting in assassination but this just happens over and over right I made a whole video like a two and a half hour video about a lot of the CIA crews and military interventions that have taken place yeah so you can check that out if you want to learn more about our crews and everything we've been in every single continent and almost every single country really doing bad things these links are in the bio below by the way for you guys as Ryan's youtube channel and his twitter so you guys can check this out Ryan let's because we have a good amount of this to still cover let's hone in on sort of the essence we already covered some of this but I feel like this is still a core aspect for us to cover and then we have the shift to seeing what is better and also talking about the cpi and then and then wrapping up with this so so let's let's continue at the essence of this so what would you say is there to cover here with the essence as we go down I just want to ideology has been really important for me to understand and trying to understand how ideology works because it's something that's hard to understand I guess once if you're in it and a lot of people don't realize how ideological they really are there's a clip out there from Slavlov Gizek Gizek but Gizek I think sounds or he says we're always in the trash can we're always eating ideology and it's from the trash can like we're always consuming this ideology even though we don't realize it so it's always there it's always it's always present and so one of the one of the tasks of socialism is to take back control of these institutions the state law institutions scientific institutions the military the police take control of these or these institutions and create what Lenin called the dictatorship of the proletariat Mark said it too and this term has been troublesome a little bit because there's the word dictatorship in it but what it means is dictatorship of the proletariat the working class masses the workers are in control rather than the capitalists so today we live in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie we live under the dictatorship of the capitalists they are the rulers and they they produce the ideology or sustain the ideology that we tells us how we think and how we act what we believe and so a lot of our lens and how we see the world is is distorted through this ideology wow yeah there's a there's a lot of mimetics that are spread down there's a lot of memes and ideas that are spread downward like you were talking about with false consciousness and there's a lot of just this dictatorship of the like plutocrats that are running the entire planet and that just create a lot of noise and create a lot of ill will rather than just look at the mainstream news and see that it's not about people doing good things and about maximizing human potential but it's all about trying to put one group of people against another group of people and that is the false consciousness versus all the good things that are happening scientifically revolutionarily across the planet and how we can continue sparking those those great initiatives so there's in that bottom up grassroots awakening is the people that are awakening is to take leadership roles in the main newly designed institutions to then further create more feedback loop that's great and one of the machines of the ideology of liberalism and capitalism is that one of the things that comes out of that is that this idea that the West is the best or that socialism has always failed and really what that is mean really they overlook the fact that socialism did work and I mean we can talk about that next with the USSR and China and socialism does work there and I think it's really important as Marxists or socialists to realize and understand that China is socialist some people will try to try to twist Marx's words or the way they understand Marx into justify some kind of narrative that China is capitalist and I think once you get deeper into Marxism you realize this is clearly not the case interesting so you you've termed China as an advanced Marxist I think understanding China is advanced Marxism at least it was for me it took me a long time to even approach the question of China totally fascinating you know I visited in 2019 right I went for almost a month this is a really interesting point about let's play with this I'm interested to see how this unfolds together keep playing with this first to understand China you need to understand what happened in the USSR and so that's a big topic but I think the USSR focused a lot on a lot on a centralized planned economy and their main goal is to raise the productive forces in the country through a planned economy and that worked all fine and well at least during the Stalin era and it worked for China as well during the Mao period but with World War 2 and the rise of the global economy it kind of presented a new challenge for these countries and so one of the really important aspects of China was that they were able to to kind of pivot and change their approach and evolve whereas the USSR was more rigid and had a lot of internal corruption and wasn't able to really to really evolve with the changing times after tens of millions of deaths we do need to just also address that there was a lot of ridiculous attempt at something that was looked at thinking that it would be fantastic and that there were tens of millions of deaths in that process and so obviously there's a big learning that happened from that process but it's still important to take that into our calculus yeah and regarding that there's a huge amount of nuance around the USSR and early China and understanding kind of what happened there and why I mean these countries came out of they were backward countries feudalist agrarian societies and they had the greatest explosion in human history that we've ever seen I mean USSR went from this backwards agrarian society to the space age and a lifetime 50 years that's pretty amazing to me and during the Mao period life expectancy doubled and it increased 31 years so people the Chinese people may have seen their grandparents die at age 30 something now living to age 60 and now today beyond age 75 so that's definitely one of the most remarkable accomplishments of socialism and specifically like China is that they've been able to just dramatically increase the living standard of the people living there so with Mao he was there from the when the People's Republic of China took over in 1979 till it was in 1976 I think when he died and so he was able to oversee kind of this centralized plan economy and so one of the differences between the USSR and China was that the USSR mobilized the proletariat or the industrial workers to distribute the revolution whereas China focused more on the peasants and that was just because they had a different historical context and a different situation in each country but yeah one of the problems with China and Mao is that they there was like the great leap forward the Cultural Revolution in the Gang of Four that happened and a lot of people died and it was a mistake but really what they're trying to do with the Cultural Revolution is they tried to get rid of class and tried to make people more equal they moved a lot of students rich, wealthier students from the cities to the countryside so they could learn how the agrarian workers worked so they tried to integrate society in that way so there might have been these good ideals behind it but really the society wasn't ready for that type of massive change and so that's where this really important figure of how the Gang of Four comes into play is that after Mao died he was able to take control he put the Gang of Four on trial for their atrocities during the Cultural Revolution and really responded to the new global economic context of global capitalism by opening the country up by reform and opening up so they started to allow started to allow kind of free markets to enter the country and allowed external investors to enter China and so that's where the kind of relationship between China and the US started and so what what Deng Xiaoping did was he articulated what would be socialism with Chinese characteristics and so one of Mao Mao kind of Mao kind of mimicked the USSR's economy in a sense and that it was centrally planned and it kind of did the same thing the USSR did but what Deng Xiaoping did was socialism with Chinese characteristics which was an attempt to kind of have have socialism in the context of the Chinese in their own specific their specific problems within China to address the specific issues within China so one thing that it seems like has happened since since China's like last decade or so especially of advancement materialistically is that there has been a greater amount of basic needs that have been met and that has in a sense liberated people to be able to pursue whatever sort of scientific or engineering style of advancement now there are specific also limitations to that freedom simultaneously with a little bit around the social operating system which aims to act as a forcing function for morality and ethics which I think is really also simultaneously interesting but there is a little bit of restriction on Taoism and on spirituality whereas vast majority of spiritual ideas are Confucianist but there is still quite a lot of fascinating energetic actualization in China given the advancement that has happened materialistically which has been super fascinating to see exactly so Deng Xiaoping really focused on Marxism and how Marx says that we need to develop the productive forces and create the wealth and abundance before we can really do socialism and what before you can start to resolve some of the contradictions like the class contradiction and the state contradiction you need to create the wealth and abundance required for socialism and so that was their mistake with the culture revolution they tried to push the ideology ahead of the economic base and that created a lot of tension and they weren't ready for it and so Deng Xiaoping that's what he realized this is amazing I'm always blown away by Deng Xiaoping's ability to be able to step back say we made mistakes and evolve and change and build and do what China has done since 1978 when Deng Xiaoping came into power yeah so I think that's this is a huge spot where Western leftists and actual Marxists get in disagreement because Marxists, like the Western leftists think that socialism is about going backwards to that primitive communism or something whereas Marxism is more about they think we all need to the Western leftists think that we all need to be poor that we all need to be poor but Marxists believe that we should all be richer we should all of course it's about creating wealth and abundance to create socialism and communism after everyone deserves a fucking big nice fat slice of the collective pie enabling their fullest actualization yeah absolutely in harmony with the earth another aspect of socialism with Chinese characteristics is that it embraces Chinese culture so China has a long rich history that civilization has been there for 5000 years and with the Mao period he cracked down on religion and Confuciism and what we've seen today with Xi Jinping is that they're reintroducing Confuciism and they're kind of they're allowing it and they're just not they're not restrictive as much because they realize that it's part of the history of China so they're really embracing embracing the culture as opposed to the USSR where they kind of only considered history the USSR considered history starting in 1917 when the communists took power they kind of throughout the baby with the bathwater or whatever they didn't care about the past or they kind of threw it away because it was a dark past with the Tsarist Russia and what happened there so yeah China was able to kind of evolve and embrace their cultural history and another important point is that Deng Xiaoping said they would never do they would never do what the USSR did to Stalin they would never do that to Mao and so in the USSR after Stalin died Khrushchev gave this famous speech that said Stalin was bad and they just really denounced the Stalin period whereas China they've kind of taken a different approach a dialectical approach and realized that Mao did make amazing advances he helped industrialize the country and double the life expectancy decreased illiteracy he made a lot of advancements but he made a lot of mistakes and the Chinese Communist Party today recognizes the Cultural Revolution and such as a mistake and so I think that's really important to understand understanding China it's also really important in understanding the US and the importance of if the US can become more transparent to its own incredible beneficial architectures that have enabled prosperity and then also look at its pathologies and cancers and non-inclusive stakeholder and if we can become really honest with how to take what's been working and what's good and add that with these new ideas that enable prosperity because the US right now isn't having a very transparent discussion with itself about what is most optimal yeah exactly and I think a lot of that is because the US the ruling class is divided and that they don't have a unified position on how to move forward I mean there's the neoliberals who want to usher in the great reset and all the austerity that will come with that and then there's another side that wants to so yeah the neoliberals another way to understand this is that they represent the largest and the largest most concentrated sector of capital and usually global capital the Trump represented a different sector of capital and represented kind of the smaller national capitalists and wanted to preserve the national economy versus the neoliberals which advocate for making money on a global economy and so there's this division right now on how to move forward and how to protect and save capitalism which I don't think can be saved it's just going to decay and they're going to use more class control measures to stay in control what we've seen with China is proof that socialism works and that it's superior I mean you visited I'm sure you could attest to some of this but they're really advancing way beyond the ability that capitalism can at this time and that's because they have they have socialism they have 5 million communist party members working to build socialism in that country they're able to make 100 year plans and 50 year plans to get shit done unlike the US and capitalists which focuses on like 5 year budget impact models and only does things if there's somebody profiting if there's a profit to make China doesn't operate that way I mean they want to build they want to build up society with they allow people to make profits like Huawei and Alibaba and all that they're not against like billionaires aren't exactly the problem here because there's Chinese billionaires and when they get out of line they hear about it from the Chinese communist party there's been billionaires executed by the communist party people that they found out have been exploiting workers and taking advantage of workers so it's still important to build up the the economic it's important to do economic development and that's an important aspect of building socialism but that doesn't mean it's capitalism so a lot of liberals here in the west make this fatal reduction where they say that capitalism is markets and socialism is a planned economy and that's just false they also try to say that like the post office or the fire department socialism or roads and they say that that socialism markets are capitalism so they can coexist well that's not true either these are mutually exclusive terms it's an entire social order with the base and superstructure above it and so in China they don't have that same base and superstructure they have socialism as their economic base and their ideology is Marxism and so one of Xi Jinping's projects in China has been to kind of revitalize ideology in China and again I think they're doing that because they realize that was one of the mistakes of the USSR the USSR failed in their ideology they weren't able to sustain Marxist ideology through several generations past the revolution they didn't really know what they had they didn't know what they're fighting for and so they just they kind of had this idealistic starry-eyed vision of the west and capitalism which had a huge huge step ahead was this was the system in establishment before they came to power and they're already at their peak when the USSR basically came into existence and so there's this big man kind of this big mistranslation between the east and the west and China's been able to been able to pivot and kind of evolve with the changing times and so one of the biggest goals of the Chinese Communist Party has been to eliminate poverty and so just last year they announced that they were able to eliminate absolute poverty for 90 million people in that country so just another huge achievement of the Communist Party and so like anyone who says that China is capitalist doesn't really understand Marxism this is so good it plays it plays so well into what you were just saying this is the video that we made at the end of our trip in 2019 and coming back from doing the interviews and my mind being blown by the rich history culture and roaring economic success and here there's Mao and there's the respect that's still there and there are just incredible technological advancements and everything is so QR driven this is QR code and just payment without card this is AI facial recognition for entering Peking University so this is what you were talking about a moment ago which is most people don't know but this little this little visualization of Chinese companies is a basically analogous Alibaba, Tencent, Huawei Baidu, ByteDance, Billy, Billy, Sina, etc. are analogous DJI is analogous to this for us to the Google and Amazon and Netflix and Facebook and Twitter and Tesla, Uber, Microsoft, etc. and so you don't actually notice that this is the Belt and Road initiative which will I saw that on the list so we'll talk about the Belt and Road initiative but that I actually notice that this is from Westlake University the first public-private research partnership in China that actually enables there to be a private interest in what is happening at the same time as public guidance and this is what their architected campus is looking like that they're going to be moving into soon yeah, it's amazing and so this was very profoundly influential and you know when you look at things like like this you know you're really talking about the future in many ways and you know this is nothing like what it is portrayed in the media to have your own like brothers and sisters and your own perspective in terms of your own relations with friends that are there and building connection and family with people and not just relying on the false consciousness media narratives that are being promulgated so that's a great way to put it so we'll also put this video in the bio of the conversation with Ryan from our channel so let's continue pulling this up so we wanted to talk about Belt and Road Initiative BRI yeah, so it's important to understand that China is not imperialist again, imperialism is an economic system the decay of capitalism and it seeks to make the world poor, it goes into other countries exploits their markets for their benefit for a wealthy global elite to profit and keep these countries poor and under their thumb and so these are zero-sum games imperialism we go in the US or overcapitalist countries go into the Congo exploit their resources the Congolese people aren't getting any of that benefit and so what China the amazing progress that China has made with the Belt and Road Initiative under Xi Jinping is that they're actually creating an alternative to imperialism this global financial order that's taken hold and so what they've done is they created a network within 100 countries over 100 countries now they've created this network where they'll build infrastructure they use the Asian Investment Bank on a they use the bank to fund these infrastructure projects to lift the people in those impoverished countries so they're more they can have economic development which imperialism has been holding them back from so it's more about developing locally rather than extracting yeah and also creating an alternative silk road to circulate products as an alternative so they don't have to go to a western imperialist country to get whatever resource they need there's kind of a network working together and they make these deals based on this idea of mutual benefit on the basis of mutual benefit so they're making sure that both countries are winning and there isn't a loser and so normally imperialism will go to a country and they'll work with this group of capitalists or national bourgeoisie that's in control and they'll just make that small group of bourgeoisie rich at the expense of the masses and take all their natural resources and oil and whatnot now with China they're creating alternatives so the Congo doesn't have to use western imperialism they don't have to use the IMF or the World Bank to fund their infrastructure projects if they had a socialist government they would go to China and ask the Asian investment bank to invest in infrastructure projects on the basis of this mutual benefit so there's so many I have a list of all the different programs through all these different countries so they're building roads, railroads pipelines, power plants gas pipelines, they're building huge bridges airports like fiber optic networks they're building huge dams the sea ports there's so many things they're building all across the world I mean if you could just Google Belt and Road in some of the countries that they're working with it's a long list and it's the imperialists are shaking in their boots trust me because this is a real challenge to imperialism because now if you're a third world country you have a popular popular revolution or whatever like they had in Venezuela you don't have to rely on US imperialism to fund your shit you can go to China and have a better deal worked out and so what we're seeing today is this rise in the age of multi polarity so back during the Cold War there was this kind of this bipolarity there were two poles communism and capitalism and you had to choose one after 1991 and the Clinton era there was this unipolar era and you might even call this kind of postmodernism also called the capitalist realism capitalist realism capitalist realism there's this idea that there's no alternative to capitalism there's this guy Francis Fukuyama who wrote a book called the end of history suggesting that that history isn't going to evolve anymore there isn't going to be a socialism because socialism failed because of the USSR fell or was actually overthrown in a coup but that's another thing but with the rise of China and the Belt and Road initiative allowing other countries to rise up and have economic development at a level they've never seen before and there's also Russia which is interesting so after the fall of the Soviet Union they went through a decade of humiliation one of the worst financial disasters economic disasters the world has seen tons of poverty a lot of people died and lots of austerity and repression but when Putin got into power who isn't a socialist but he did nationalize the oil industry he renationalized it and started using the profits to benefit the people and so since 2000 when Putin came into power we've seen a dramatic increase in the standard of living in Russia as well and so there's this multi-polar world emerging where the US isn't the sole superpower anymore it can't just push around other countries like it used to there's now a check on their power and that's not just one country checking them like the USSR with their arms race that's what that was about it was a check on the US's power now there is multiple countries and they're all rising up against the US there was just a vote in the UN about a month and a half ago about whether whether it was okay for the US to impose sanctions on Cuba well however many there was only three countries that voted in line with the US or two countries that voted with the US three countries that abstained and 150 or 160 or 180 I can't remember the number 180 countries opposed the US sanctions on Cuba which have been in place for like 30 years now which is just disgusting because sanctions kill they prevent food and medicine from entering the country they hurt the most vulnerable people of those countries and they're done to hurt these countries that challenge western imperialism and so the world is starting to stand up against US imperialism and the US dollar is really facing some precarious times and like I said earlier we're heading towards some kind of major crash and it's going to be devastating and that's going to bring about a lot of it's going to bring the class struggle to the forefront I don't know we're going to see something well we already see it with the 2008 deployment of peer-to-peer digital exchange and at the same time that Lehman Brothers collapsed and so now you have these decentralized technologies that are emerging at the same time as the monetary disasters happened and so we'll see the continuation of that as one of the core components why don't we talk about CPI now Center for Political Innovation and we have that up right here as well 4 point plan by the way this is right here you just talked about Putin public ownership of natural resources also we just had Andy Bitner on the show who has a fractional ownership of renewable energy generation in the United States as well we just talked about decentralization of banking mass mobilization rebuilding the country economic bill of rights so it's great yeah so I have a little summary I wrote up about the about the Center for Political Innovation I'll just read it off here it should be going up on the website soon but it hasn't yet the website just went up within a few weeks so cool we just redid it we're getting it going so it's kind of in its early phase it's not all the way done but we're still working on it so the Center for Political Innovation is an educational think tank dedicated to educating and fostering visions for a future beyond capitalism CPI is a working class organization of scientific socialists and 21st century socialists who study the history and experience of past and existing socialist societies and applied their lessons to our current material conditions here in America to develop a new revolutionary program to solve the problems facing society Marxism and class analysis enable us to look beyond surface level appearances to develop a scientific understanding of our current material conditions and propose innovative solutions for society that serve public need rather than profits at the expense of the many we understand that capitalism can no longer meet the needs of the American people therefore we believe being a patriot today means to embrace socialism what we call socialism with American characteristics we uphold the rich revolutionary tradition of the American people in defeating British colonialism overthrowing slavery and working class victories against racism and Jim Crow segregation the CPI opposes racism sexism in all forms of oppression we recognize our historical mission to oppose imperialism the global neoliberal economic system of monopoly finance capital that keeps workers here and abroad poor there is an urgent need in America to restructure the left around a new vision in contrast to the woke synthetic left tendencies that advocate destruction violence and culture wars the CPI promotes the city-building tendency of social welfare of social wealth and abundance required to build socialism and rescue America to accomplish this vision we propose a government of action building class families with this revolutionary program we the people once again be able to realize the ideals of liberty and equality that America was founded on and so with that the center for political innovation has proposed a four point plan so we have a vision for what socialism will look like in America so the first one is the massive infrastructure reconstruction building roads, high speed rail energy, wifi irrigation, building schools and having five year plans to develop the the economic to develop the means of production the second point is public ownership of energy and natural resources so taking control of the oil industry natural gas coal, timber and using those profits not so a few rich people can get profits not so a few rich people can get more rich but to use the profits in a way that serves the masses maybe that's how we could pay for all the infrastructure programs we want to do also part of this program is developing nuclear energy which would free us from not only needing oil for energy but also deal with the climate crisis I'll talk about that a little bit more and the third point is public control of banking so using credit strategically assigned by the state in the interests of the country instead of having private central bank like we have today with the Federal Reserve which does a lot of things they're not very transparent about how they use the profits but the fourth point is the economic bill of rights this was the idea or program proposed by FDR that never went through but it's basically just social programs so a job guarantee to deal with unemployment housing, education and health care so those are the four points that would help us transition to a socialist society so in addition to that we have a couple policy policy proposal solutions regarding climate change and the energy crisis we're proposing that we build fusion city now so our idea is that we would build build a new city in the heartland of America where we hire all the world's best scientists to work on developing nuclear fusion and nuclear fusion energy so we can free ourselves from oil and stop polluting the planet and that is the solution to climate change one of the problems the left gets into the western leftists get into is that they have this Malthusian mindset and ideas about the environment they blame things like overpopulation that's just a ridiculous myth actually overpopulation isn't the problem we have all the resources already to deal with these problems the solution is economic development building fusion energy which would be an actual alternative so this would bring a flow of jobs into the Midwest and the rural areas that are traditionally have been left behind it would create lots of economic development and it could also maybe we're still working out the details of this vision but it maybe could be like a hub for the for the high speed rail network that we would build the second policy proposal that we're trying to articulate is how to deal with the immigration crisis at the border and so the reason that has the reason there is an immigration crisis is because of neoliberalism because of the destruction of social programs to filter up to the richest national bourgeoisie in Latin America NAFTA ruined Mexico and like Honduras and Guatemala have just been when they had a socialist movement it was cut down and Latin America hasn't been able to have economic development because imperialism has been keeping in core the solution is to build the Sandino-Zapata economic corridor to build infrastructure through Latin America and having economic development projects that will actually develop those countries in a way that's not imperialism that would actually lift up those people economically so the solution Sandino is a famous revolutionary from Nicaragua who kind of inspired the socialist revolution that occurred there in the 70s and Zapata was a famous revolutionary in Mexico and so it's kind of named after those two characters but it's all about economic development through Latin America building a rail line and economic hubs to kind of like the Belt and Road in America exactly that's what we need is an American Belt and Road or we could even get on the Belt and Road with China we should be working with China and Biden the way he talks is he sees China as a threat he wants to fight them he wants to beat them the 21st century or whatever same thing with Americans in general there's this vibration that is non cooperative and it's totally promulgated by mass media hysteria and it has nothing to do with our friendship with friends and families across the multi-thousand year cultural lineage with China and India and Asia in general and our brothers and sisters in Africa and Europe and the Middle East and Latin America and South America is fucking work together as a planet with everyone maximizing everyone's potential and enough of the mass media hypocrisy pinning people against each other and this is where all of the decentralization of not only banking but also energy with fractional ownership of stocks fractional ownership of energy renewable clean energy massive infrastructure renovation and I love what the CPI has in their four-point plan and I also love how in doing these architectural upgrades it enables the awakening of consciousness and energy and lenses of perception to more self-actualized and self-realized states it's beautiful it's necessary for planetary prosperity exactly one of our famous slogans is that we need a government of action to fight for working families we need a government of action to fight for working families the government we have now is not a government of action they're doing what they need to do to sustain their own capitalist class and their profits for the global elite they're not working in the interests of the people why don't we have healthcare this system is just decaying dying system it's such a problem it needs to be fixed but it's never going to get fixed because there's no profit incentive there's no place and there can't be profit incentives with the way capitalism is at the crosshairs it's at today so really what this four-point plan is it's a vision for an alternative America a socialist America it's something that we can look at these points and visualize what we could achieve we could have massive infrastructure why do we have crumbling roads today why don't we have high-speed rail all these obvious things we could actually have these if we had if we had a real socialist movement a large massive popular movement fighting and advocating for these these positions yeah it's the radical decentralization and universalization of planetary prosperity for all humans and all species and it's beautiful and I love it I love it the amount of baggage associated with words like capitalism and communism and socialism and individualism and collectivism there's so much baggage associated with those words but what is fresh and what is clean and what is new is decentralization universalization planetary prosperity awakening and architectures and those are like new fresh clean words and they speak to what we so deeply in our hearts know is possible and it's so exciting that we're figuring out how to implement that and how to awaken to that and do you feel like we're also ready to wrap with these the Marxist myths and misunderstandings as well yeah we can talk about some of those I'm going to use the bathroom but you kick us off with this again do you need to use the bathroom or are you good I'm okay okay kick us off with this I'll be right back yeah so there's a lot of Marxist myths and misunderstandings I think where some of this comes is that in the west we're stuck in this liberal angle liberal Anglo box and so we tend to impose our liberal ideology into what we believe is democracy or freedom we tend to impose that idea in how we think about other countries and this is a huge mistake because the historical context is a lot different here versus a socialist or anti-imperialist country and so one of them big mistakes that western leftists tend to do is that they hate they hate actually existing socialist countries and anti-imperialist countries and they see them as non-democratic or they lack freedom and they say things like China's capitalist or imperialist but understanding that this idea that we're up against a huge mountain of imperialism this huge world global financial social order they have these states have to evolve in the way they oppose they oppose imperialism so one of the teachings of Lenin from the experiment that happened with the Paris Commune is that we need a strong state and this is really important to not only prevent counter-revolution that could happen internally but prevent invasions from outside from the western imperialists and so in the USSR after after they had the Russian Revolution in 1918 in October they were invaded by 15 imperialist countries and then they had a civil war with the people who were advocating capitalism and they had a famine they had all these huge problems that they needed a strong state to deal with and so that's why a lot of these repressive measures were introduced and that's why the socialist states have to be somewhat repressive in because that they're they need to protect the revolution and so the Paris Commune was where the communists took over but they didn't take control of the state institutions and so it was quickly dissolved within about a month I believe because they didn't have a strong state to protect the revolution it just got destroyed so there's this need for a strong state or what Lenin called the dictatorship of the proletariat and that's why these countries are more authoritarian or they seem that way that's a word that we really need to avoid as Marxist I believe because it's kind of only used by the west in criticizing in criticizing socialist countries they call them authoritarian and both state societies are highly authoritarian there's a strong class rule in America they control the state and they use it to bomb other countries and to impose austerity against the people there's a strong state but a weak government we don't have a government of action the government doesn't serve us we don't serve the people so I think that's this one big confusion and there's kind of these new age leftists that you'll see they'll call themselves libertarian socialists or even anarchists or people who advocate kind of this co-op society that could coexist with that could have socialism co-existing with capitalism some of these people try to say that socialism is when you get together with your friends and make a pencil factory this isn't socialism none of this stuff is it's taking socialism is when you take control of the major centers of the economy and use the profits to serve the public need rather than just a few so it's taking control of the state machinery and the major sectors of the economy to serve the people and so Marxism is the city building tendency it's an optimistic outlook and that's in contrast to this woke synthetic left that's emerged who advocates destruction and violence and primitivism they advocate for a violent overthrow Marxists advocate for a peaceful transition to socialism a lot of these leftists advocate left adventurism which is and one example is antifa going around destroying communities and causing and bringing violence in attempt to change the system or whatever in the six seas the weathermen or the students for students for democracy or SDS and they or they advocated violence and so and destruction that's around the sorry about the noise around the environment again they have this overpopulation idea they think that we need to destroy society so everyone's poor that's not Marxism Marxism is about making everyone wealthy building everyone up so we have the social wealth and abundance to create and build socialism and eventually reach the higher stages of socialism or also called communism which would be a stateless classless moneyless society where we don't need a strong state where we don't have this division of classes in society we can use socialism as a transition from capitalism to communism to eliminate those contradictions to resolve those contradictions and eventually create a stateless society but it's a kind of a very far out vision and we don't know what communism will look like that's that's a way in the future so some terms that are used to describe this group western leftists the Chinese have a term called Baizu which refers to western leftists I think they're utopian they're often called ultras which is just for ultra leftists also Lenin has a book called left-wing communism an infantile disorder where he polemicizes against this tendency and so one of the problems that this left tendency in addition to the violence and destruction they push identity politics and critical race theory they're the social justice warriors they promote postmodern ideology a new definition that I've heard of postmodernism is this rejection of grand narratives it's a rejection of ideology and so that's their problem is that they don't believe in ideology and they kind of reduce the conflicts in society in a way that is devoid of class analysis in a way that elevates race or gender or like trans issues to the surface without understanding the class dynamics that gave rise to those to those struggles and so really they're missing a class analysis and an understanding of imperialism and economics and ultimately figures like that are within this sphere they end up being very anti-communist one of the main figures is Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky has a lot of bad things to say about the USSR and what are his motives for criticizing the USSR that's another thing we have to ask ourselves when these western leftists start going on about how bad China is or Syria or Russia we need to ask themselves whose interest does it serve by them criticizing what they're doing if they're trying to build socialism in their country what's the role of a western leftist to tell these lifelong Marxists that are working in their countries to develop socialism why is it their role to tell them what to do and what's best for their people so I think we need to step back as western leftists and we can critically support these countries but it's we get into some trouble when we when we start imposing our liberal ideas of democracy and freedom on to China and saying they're not free because of free speech or whatever so yeah so another problem with these utopian synthetic woke leftists is they hate America they hate the US flag and they see regular Americans regular working class Americans as the enemy as the problem so they call Trump's fascists and this is a mistake they're not fascists they're not white supremacists either yeah there's problems with Trump and his rhetoric and everything but really what these people represent is that they are upset with the social order of things and they want an alternative way out and Trump just so happens to be one of the few people articulating an anti-establishment message and they're also kind of fighting this culture war that's being pushed by this fake left there's also elements of the CIA kind of funding and developing this fake left tendency in the states you can research the congress for cultural freedom and the partisan review and some of the influences that the CIA has had in developing this class this tendency that's devoid of class analysis so one of the conclusions of this tendency is that they conclude that the American or the white working class is non-revolutionary that we have a revolutionary potential and that revolution can't happen in America because it's the core it's the heart of imperialism and we have a labor aristocracy that we benefit from imperialism but what they don't understand is that that's been like neoliberalism has destroyed the labor aristocracy what we had is being is being dissolved and so working class Americans know this and they are fight they want to fight this and so there's a movement happening underneath the surface underneath the liberal the liberal surface level like what the media is telling us is what's happening or something deeper happening and I think we would call that communism and that's kind of a new kind of a new learning that I've had recently and understanding what is communism it's a movement against the social order of things so I think I covered most of the things here yep and then we can also visit some of these recommendations and books for people to read you mentioned the center for political innovation so in the center for political innovation we published this manual that has a lot of text from Caleb Malpin but also Lenin, Mao and some American progressives and revolutionaries as well so we've created to kind of use for study groups to help educate help use as a tool to help educate the masses so you can check this book out and some of the other books that we've produced we also do web conferences we used to do them every month but now they're about every other month just because we started to do live events because COVID is finally done that's why I'm going to LA at the end of August we're going to have a conference somewhere down there we're starting to organize locally and actually reach the masses so one of the problems with Marxist groups in the past is that they're kind of stuck in the movement kind of stuck in their own politics of their own party and we have a bunch of communist parties Marxist-Leninist parties in America but they're not educating the public so they're kind of ahead in they're kind of too far ahead in that we don't have a populist socialist movement quite yet for us to build a party upon and so that's what we're focused on is really educating the masses and so we're going to start going out into the public and start talking to actual real life people about socialism and our vision for a different socialist America so I would really recommend checking out Caleb Malpin's content he has a YouTube channel and I found him in like late October and November last year but since then I've been I've learned a ton from this guy so I couldn't recommend him anymore he wrote this book city builders and vandals in our age getting rich without capitalism and recently he wrote a polemic against the synthetic woke left or this online phenomenon called bread tube called bread tube serves imperialism which has gotten a lot of interests online it kind of exposes exposes these fake synthetic leftists that are really controlling the narrative of what socialism and they're the ones defining socialism more people more people are using YouTube today to learn about socialism then then are involved in the Marxist-Leninist parties and such and so it was an important task today to kind of challenge this this fake narrative and kind of expose them for what they are another another guy I've learned from a lot recently is infrared which is a led by Haas it's a collective of communists and Marxist-Leninists and they're mostly on Twitch they stream on Twitch he has a lot more focus on philosophy and I'm still learning a lot from this guy but having the philosophical understanding of Marxism it goes really really deep and he's trying to create a new brand to kind of reorientate the left and kind of get us out of the problems that we've been in another another guy I'd recommend is Jackson Hinkel he has another stream that he does a few times a week that's pretty good he talks about a lot of news and he's had a pretty intense political transformation as well becoming a Marxist-Leninist just recently I would also recommend Jimmy Dore Aaron Wall, Aaron Mate they're more progressive but they're on the right side of being progressive and that they they really understand the struggle of the working class they understand imperialism and the wars and the problems with neoliberalism and it was really Jimmy Dore who helped me become radicalized and to become a leftist and started seeking out Marxist literature and what not so I would highly recommend Caleb Malpin and Fred Jimmy Dore all those guys yeah so I also have some books on the list there's so many good books but yeah just read a bunch of Marx and Lenin Manifesto recommend that this is probably the most concise understanding of communism it just goes through the whole project of what Marx was trying to do and it really can incise quick and easy to understand way I think it was the first book that I really read that was by Marx and really got me started on this whole journey critique of the Gotha program I would also highly recommend so the Gotha program was kind of the Social Democrat welfare state program advocated by Germany the German Social Democrats in the 1980 in the 1800s late 1800s and Marx wrote a whole critique on how they were kind of misreading Marxism and that they were they weren't really practicing Marxism and their program wasn't socialist so this is a really good polemic to understand the pitfalls the left makes Lenin's state and revolution is a must this is a really essential text for understanding for understanding the role of the state and understanding the dictatorship of the proletariat both Lenin and Mao were had a really powerful in the way they were able to distill Marxism down into a way that regular working class people could understand and so understanding or reading Lenin and Mao is a really good way to kind of get a concise understanding because sometimes it's hard to read Marx's old texts and Marx and Engels because it's from the 1800s it's just sometimes it's a little too old to understand so yeah, Mao's book here on contradiction and on practice are really good it's all about explaining dialectics in a way that regular working class people can understand he has a pamphlet in here called Combat Liberalism which is really good in fighting the ideology that we have to fight as communists Lenin has a really good pamphlet called the Letter to American Letter to American Workers which I'd also highly recommend where he writes a letter to the American workers in 1918 right after right in the midst of their civil war and in the 15 countries invading the Soviet Russia one of which was the United States and really articulating the idea that that we're all in this together against imperialism and really trying to reach the working class in America and explain how imperialism is hurting not only the Russians but it's hurting American people as well it's a really powerful text also I would like to recommend Michael Prenti I'm actually just about to finish my next video it's going to be a book review about this book really well done it was written in 1997 and so he's one of the most contemporary Marxist-Leninist writers that we can learn from he's written a lot of really good books another one was Against Empire which I used a lot of quotes from in my last video on imperialism but this book is really essential because it explains how explains the mistake that many leftists get into where they equate fascism with communism it explains that fascism there is actual economic and class interests and there is a rational reason why fascism emerged and that it's completely different from how communists thought about how communists did things in the programs they offered and the kind of class nature of those societies is very different here's the letter to American workers this book Capitalist Realism covers a lot of modern topics as well this was written in 2009 so it talks a lot about postmodernism and kind of the this really toxic ideology that we've taken on in the West and Capitalist Realism as he defines is there is no alternative this idea that that socialism has always failed and that it's easier to imagine the end of the world and the end of capitalism and so on that note Xi Jinping would recommend kind of reading his work or just checking out his speech he gave an hour speech just last month or earlier this month not long ago at the Chinese at the Communist Party of China's 100 years centenary of the formation of the Communist Party in 1921 he gave it a really amazing speech where he articulated the socialist project of China and highlighted a lot of their achievements and kind of put forth what their program is going to be for what their program is going to be like in the future and right now it's really important for us to understand China understand what they're doing because China is the future like you said China is on a trajectory to surpass the US and almost every metric it's really important that we understand China and what they're doing and how we can apply lessons from China to America in developing socialism with American characteristics socialism applied to the material conditions of America just like how Deng Xiaoping and Xi Jinping were able to do in China we should be doing something similar here in America and I would also just again recommend checking out Caleb Mopin's work he does live streams several times a week for an hour or two hours he'll answer any question you have he's a walking encyclopedia this guy's been studying Marxism for like 15 years he's the best resource out there in America at least um we definitely recommend looking into his work nice nice so that's a breakdown of these very essence of Marx class analysis class consciousness the perverse incentives across our existing industries and how to flip them towards fractional ownership seeing the dialectical and historical materialism and how materialism and consciousness feed back into each other and seeing how we're transitioning into a greater scale global awakening in those architectures decentralization and the universalization of our next fractional ownership that maximizes human potential and how to see what are the next best steps in our planetary actualization of maximal potential with creating more and more fractional ownership and decentralization and universalization around public control of energy, natural resources infrastructure decentralized universalized banking and some recommendations for a deeper investigation into this and it really feels good, it feels good to have been able to play with you Ryan on all of this thanks again for coming on to the show Yeah absolutely thanks for bringing me on I hope this was informative and helpful for your audience it's taking me a while to come to the level where I've been able to articulate these ideas so I think you kind of hit me at an important time where I finally I think become to an understanding of what I believe is the right politics like I said before being a patriot today loving your country and your community means to be a socialist today and so we need to throw out the bad ideas of liberalism and capitalism start seeing the reality of our world and push for push for a new revolutionary program that serves the needs of the people Beautiful and I love how there's this big planetary excitement around decentralization universalization, awakening consciousness around fractional ownership around maximizing individual and collective prosperity it's really exciting and it's definitely the next step is biomimicking fungal networks biomimicking the way that the archetypes of decentralized things have emerged like the internet and like cryptocurrencies and so it's really exciting to bring that more into our social contract and leverage science and engineering and spiritual awakening in that process so it's really exciting and it's a great time for this and thank you again for coming on and it's been great it's been great and thanks everyone for tuning in you guys can find the links in the bio below to Ryan's YouTube channel as well as Twitter and also CPI as well the link is down there in the bio check it out in their four point plan and that is that is all thanks again, yeah thanks for tuning in would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below like the video if it brought you value subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet share the video with other people that you feel like this could be an interesting way for them to perceive the interplay between consciousness, awakening and materialism and basic needs being met and decentralization universalization etc and that is all thank you again cotton good to talk to you thank you yeah hopefully I'll see you again on another stream I'll see I'm gonna wrap this stream we'll stay in the studio here so just hold tight thanks everyone talk to you soon bye