and you've created this multi-million dollar beauty conglomerate, let's say. And so the evolution that you've had in the last couple of years has been remarkable. I think it kind of would be a really good case study to tell, you know, our audience is like, how did that progress look like? Let's take us back to when you were in the woman's shelter till now. Like, what did that look like? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of, there's like the answer that I gave all the time, like the Cole's notes of like, so I was in the shelter. And to be honest, it wasn't the first time I lived in a shelter. A lot of people think that that's where the story starts. It's when I was 21, I was living in a shelter. I had a laptop in $15 and I photoshopped a catalog of makeup that didn't exist by teaching myself how to use photoshop on YouTube and then downloaded like a pirate bay version of Photoshop. Thank you pirate bay. You guys rock. And yeah, and then made this catalog and then shop this catalog of makeup that didn't exist around to local boutiques and made enough pre-sales to then actually bootstrap this company and build it. And no one taught you this whole idea. No. This is all like innate, natural. Completely natural. I mean, I dropped out of school when I was 14 and I was a competitive ice dancer at that time. Yeah. So I was a figure skater. I did pairs and my partner and I skated like 10 hours a day and I thought for sure I was training to be on the Olympic team. And so I thought for sure I'm going to be on the Olympics. And then when my Olympic career dies down, I will be Belle from Beauty and the Beast on Disney and Ice naturally. Of course. And I will skate on cruise ships and that's my life. And so I didn't think much about it to leave school when I was 14. But that's kind of where my education stopped. So I mean, there is some things that I, I crack jokes about it now. Like there's certainly some things that I can tell that my education is like, but, but my emotional. I never finished high school. Okay. It kicked me out in grade nine. Okay. So we're like, there we go. So yeah. And I think that's also, I was mentioning before, like I don't really like read books and stuff because I'm really slow at it. And, but what I have really become good at because of some of the challenging experiences I've had in my life, like I mentioned, at 21 wasn't the first time I lived in the shelter. The first time I lived in a shelter was six months old.  And then I was 14. I left school by the time I was, had just turned 17, I was living on the other side of the country on my own. And, and yeah, so through all of those experiences, I was able to have a really solid understanding of who I was, and a really good understanding of how to follow my gut and how to listen to my gut and really good at emotional intelligence. And that, I think some of those skills are incredibly important skills as an entrepreneur. And so that really drove to just, you know, kind of figure things out as you go. And yeah, so I Photoshopped this catalog and it was just something that came naturally. And in fact, I was just distracting myself from my reality. It's nothing that I anticipated I was building a business. But then I built that from, you know, $15 and a laptop in the shelter to a $15 million company in five years. That's amazing. Yeah.  No, it's not like I was in the shelter thinking like, all right, this is my business plan. This is what I'm going to do. Like I didn't know, like I didn't, I didn't even know what an entrepreneur was. I was simply just distracting myself with from what my reality was. And I was interested in makeup. I did some makeup for like weddings and things like that. You saw this catalog of makeup. You Photoshopped it and you put it online. Yeah. Like whatever websites. Well, it was like, I think it was, well, I actually physically got some printed, which were like $10 a catalog from, what was it called at the time? It changed names now, but I think it's like ISSU or something like that. Like it's free digital online catalogs. And so it made it really easy to like have this digital catalog and copy the link and send it off to people. And was the company called Evio at that time? No. And actually, this is part of the story. I don't share nearly as much, but it was actually called Karma Face Cosmetics. Karma Face Cosmetics. Karma Face, like what goes around comes around, like Karma. I thought it was clever. I thought so. And the reason why I was in the shelter was because I was leaving a unhealthy relationship. I was leaving an abusive relationship. And when I was in the shelter, shortly after that, I actually left and I say this, like I'm really vulnerable about this, because I think it's important to be honest about these things. Because often you get asked like, well, why did you stay? And, or people, you know, have a certain perception of how domestic violence is. And so I'm pretty honest about it that like after the shelter, I even went back and things got a lot worse. He ended up being arrested. And while he was in jail, he trademarked Karma Face Cosmetics. What? And from jail? He was on house arrest awaiting his trial. And he trademarked Karma Face Cosmetics and sued me for infringement. Jesus Christ.


What's up everybody? Jason here for jaspyscasebreak.com 2019 Bowman Draft Sapphire baseball just sold out is a one box break random players number eight We're also giving away a transcendent spot giveaway. We're 450 dollar spot and Again the way this works is we're gonna randomize this customer names and the players You get 10 random players from the list below All card shipping again from Adley Rutchman all the way down to card number 200, which is Cooper Johnson So 20 total spots sold 10 random players so 10 times 20 and then of course at the end of the break or randomize this customer names again in a Separatized roller and number one gets a free transcendent spot. So good luck. Let's roll it and we got a six and a six twelve times Let's hope that this is a 200 Yes, there you go 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 and 12 so Tom is done a Charles All right 12 times here 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 and 12 Tim Tebow Down to Albert a brave All right, and just the way it came out really quick guys And then I'll alphabetize it by customer name and I'll I'll actually share this doc with you guys all the way down to 200 So there you go a lot of lists a lot of players guys this break is really fun, but it's a lot of a lot of players So Chad you had a ton of spots Let me share this doc with you guys. It'll be a little easier No, it was only 53 54 55 Frank no more Celepax So everybody can see that so Chad, I'm not gonna say every single player I'm just gonna tell you from the top from Miguel Maya down to Gilan or Glenn Allen Hill Jr Charles There you go From Clark Schmidt down to Albert a break you Charles J. Samuelson. You got Chris Murphy down to Amonteros Chris, which was last spot mojo From Dane Dunning down to Will Wilson CJ Abrams in there too Connor Cody Hosey Donna Joseph Ortiz Darren McKenzie Donna George Kirby Or George Kirby at Donna JJ Gosard for DMACC Derek you have Cooper Johnson Jared Triolo Jeffrey peace Donna Jimmy Lewis Donna Logan Davidson Josh X line you got Will Stewart and Donna Hudson head Josh Melton David Wenzel Donna Juan or Julio Pablo Martinez Matt Buckler Cal Mitchell Donna Matt Contenario Matt from Aurelneus Donna Brennan Malone Matthew Forsyth from Corbyn Carroll Donna Andrew Schultz Michael From Drew Waters Donna Greg Jones Ryan From Nolan Gorman Donna Julia Rodriguez sky done You have Grant Levine down to Eric Miller and Thomas are Tim Tebow Donna Dray Jameson and just if anybody wants to know Adley Ruchman is Was Adley Ruchman a Chad has Adley Ruchman. I'm just gonna close the trip when I got to know the trick. It's such a long list Let's alphabetize it and we'll make this like super tiny usually get ship separate Tyler Because we usually don't like to put cards with a sealed box cuz The dimension may be off and we don't want to crush the cards crush the box. So everything's always sent separate Here you go. Here's everybody's lit in the list right here It should be Tyler. I don't do the ship anymore, but it should be If you have a question, you can definitely just email us and I'll pen and sleeve all these cards as well We got Nunez Aronius Corley Will Wilson Kirk Fletcher Philip Miguel Maya Williams Martinez McCrae I mean as Louine know a song green Atomic to 50 and Jordan Adams nice Blue to 99 Valdez Gomes Henry Swaggerty Brown Wilson Jeffer John Mesa Hicklin Punter Bishop Kane Riley Green. That's very nice Hill Williamson Jill Kissinger All right guys now let's quickly switch scenes and again Number one gets a free spot Roll the dice. You got three to three six times from Josh down at Chris. There you go. Good luck one two three four five and six Connor there you go You are the winner of the free spot in transcendent after six times congratulations I'm sure we'll post up more of these sapphire breaks, but coming up next should be a Cellopak break than hardcore and then whatever else sold out guys. I got to go through like 50 orders. Appreciate it guys


Welcome to my PyTorch video tutorial series. Today we are going to see how to install PyTorch on OSX in roughly 10 minutes. We will start with Xcode. We will see how to install it or update it, specifically to the version 8.3.2. Then we will see how to install the additional components. We will move on and install Homebrew on our system. And I will repeat the word system I think 15 times at least. So we will see how to install and update and upgrade all the packages. And then finally how to install Git on our system. Then we will install Anaconda or Miniconda. So we will start with the installation, the activation, which means modifying our system path and then sourcing our configuration file. And then we will install three essential Python packages, Matplotlib, iPython and Jupyter. Then we will add this homebrew channel to our environment. Finally we will install Torch and TorchVision through Konda. In order to be able to accelerate computations on the graphic processing unit, we are going to see how to set up your machine to be CUDA ready. So the CUDA chapter contains the following. We will see how to update or install the drivers on our machine. Then how we are going to install the toolkit. And finally we will download and install the CUDNN library. Finally we will install by Torch from source. So we will have to install first the dependencies. Downgrade the C-lang from the version 8.1.0 to the version 8.0.0 because it's otherwise not compatible with the current version of the CUDA for OX10. Then we will just have to set up CMake to know about where Anaconda is installed. And then finally we will be able to install PyTorch from source code and then validate its successful installation. Let's start by installing or updating our Xcode. Let's check the progress of the installation. Here we can see it's still downloading. And here we go, it's installed. Let's check the version. Yes, we'd like to install additional required components. And there we go. Xcode has been installed and the current version is the 8.3.2. As the second step, we are going to install Homebrew on our system. So we can type this command and press enter. Homebrew will be installed on the system. Since it's already available on my system, I will skip this point. We can type brew-update. Once more, brew-update. And then brew-upgrade. Then we need to install Git. So we are going to do brew-install-kit. And we can see that it's already available on my system. Now we'd like to install Anaconda on our system. So we can type brew-cask-search-conda. And we will see that there are two available packages. One is called Anaconda and the other one is called Miniconda. On my system, I would like to install Miniconda, which is a smaller Anaconda. So, brew-cask-install-miniconda. We see that Miniconda is going to be installed in my home directory slash miniconda3. And therefore, we will have to add to our path the directory home slash miniconda3 slash bin. I'm going to copy this line. And then I'm going to edit my BESHO RC. So you will have to edit your profile or profile RC. So, at the end, I can add konda. And we paste the command. They told us. Let's save and quit. So now we can source our BESHO RC. And let's see if we have installed Python, for example. So we type Python. And we can see that we have Python 3.6.0 from Continuum Analytics Inc. If we check where it is installed, we can type which Python. And then we can see that it is installed in my home directory. So user headcode and miniconda3 slash bin slash Python. Now I will install other two packages, which I think they are essential for using Python on my computer. So I will type konda install matplotlibypython and Jupyter. Yes. And there we go. Finally, to install PyTorch and TorchVision, we can type konda config dash dash add channels submit. And then finally, we can type konda install pyTorch and TorchVision. We can answer yes. And that's pretty much it. Ipython, we just installed it, which is going to use the Python 3.6.0. We can now type import torch and we can see torch and torchVision are both available. We are going to be just going with the first one for the moment. And then let's call t, our tensor. For example, we can have it torch.rand of five values. Don't worry if you don't understand what I'm typing so far. It's just to show you that the system is actually up and running. So if we just print the result of t, we have a random tensor of dimension five, populated by numbers from zero included and one excluded. Let's try to go further since this Macware have just installed PyTorch. It has also NVIDIA GPO. I would like perhaps to accelerate computation on the graphic processing unit. So let's see if I can send this tensor to the GPO. So let's call my tensor r and let's have it equal to t, but send to my GPO. If I just type enter, we are going to see that there is an error. PyTorch is telling us that torch has not been compiled with CUDA enable. To install PyTorch with the CUDA enable, we will have to install PyTorch from source code. So let's quit for the moment. I Python and update the drivers of our system. So we can go on system preferences, click on CUDA, and then install CUDA update. And we are done. We can click on close. And we can see now that the current version is the 8.0.81. And let's go now back to the terminal. Let's open a new window here in T-Max. And let's install first of all CUDA. And that was pretty quick. So let's also install now the CUDN library. To do so, we are going to go on our browser. We can type CUDN download. We agree. And then we select the correct version. So download CUDN version 6.0 for CUDA 8. And we choose our CUDN version 6.0 library for OSX. You can click here. So let's move into download and CUDA. So here we are going to see two folders include and lib. Go inside include. We have a sudnn.h. So let's do sudo move sudnn into slash user local CUDA include. And then let's go one level up and inside lib. And here we have the actual library. So we can do again sudo move all these three guys into user local CUDA and lib. And we have installed CUDN. So now we can clone our PyTorch. So let's go in our environment. Let's go on the website of PyTorch. PyTorch.org. You can click on fork me on github. Clone and download copy. So we go git clone our repository. That is named PyTorch. We can cd into PyTorch. Let's follow here. There are some instructions down there down the page. So we had to install some additional packages. And here on OSX. So we can do conda install these guys first. And yes. So let's say we have the most updated version of Xcode. So if we type clang-version we should see something like Apple LLVM version 810. And the unfortunate news is that the current CUDA version we have just installed is not compatible with this version of the command line tools. So we are going to go on the downloads for the Apple developers. We are going to look for the command line tools macOS 10.12 for Xcode 8.2. We can download it and install it. Okay, I agree. Install. And there we go. So yeah, move to trash, thank you. So we are back to our terminal. And now we can type. So the Xcode select switch library developer command line tools. And now if we type clang-version we see that we have installed instead now the Apple LLVM version 8.0.0. Let's export now DC make prefix path. Which is basically the location of our mini conda. So we are going to paste this one and then type. Finally, we can copy this last instruction. Which will be installing our pytorch from source. And it finished right now. So let's verify that the installation actually worked. So let's type a python. And then let's import torch. So import torch. Let's call T our tensor. And it's equal torch dot rend of five values. And this is the output of T. So let's call now R our CUDA tensor. And we can type T dot CUDA. And let's see, done. So if we print out R we can see it's a CUDA float tensor of size five. Yay.


The paper discusses two methods of reducing energy consumption in water distribution networks, hydraulic regulation, HR, and electrical regulation, ER. HR involves using a pump as a turbine to generate electricity while ER uses an inverter to convert mechanical energy into electrical energy. The paper compares the two methods and finds that HR is more efficient and flexible than ER. Additionally, it shows that HR is more economically viable than ER. This article was authored by Helena M. Ramos, Voris Fakarata, Giuseppe del Giudice and others.


Yo real quick before we get started right after watching this episode I did a power ranking with my predictions for how the tournament would go on my non reaction channel And it is the first link down below, so go check it out after has the time finally arrived Or is it just gonna keep teasing me with this arena guys welcome back to the channel My name is Jack the Buster I should know me I'm reacting to some more Dragon Ball Super today and we have to be on the cusp of the tournament of power beginning It has been a journey to get to where we are now But our team is finally assembled and it has to start any time now If you're new to this channel, don't forget to drop us up before we begin and let's get into it There she is it does look like a spinning dial We're all gathering it's not nearly as grand and fancy as I've been expecting. I think it looks great True they're bringing the content. They don't need the content provided I wonder if this ring can bear the pounding it's about to take I imagine it's like an invincible ring Yeah, they had to make it basically invincible. This is what happened during the expo the expo got obliterated Their majesties wish to stay in the waiting room They're chilling in the green room Me too Zeno's I'm scared, but I'm looking forward to it. Let's return to your question about the rings quality of workmanship Oh Your work it's made of catchy catch-and-tie the hodgey catch-and-tie Stronger than regular like bedrock and my craft if you're still doubting though. You may test it Try to destroy it.  I'm always happy to show the Omni Kings How right they were to exempt us from the tournament? Oh, so these these two are exempt, but they're here to just watch Indulge yourselves. Oh my goodness That can actually be insane though. They all fight. We'll use the same. Oh my gosh. They actually are it's the the I'm guessing universes that are exempt Jean already know how it's going to is one of these guys like way stronger than the other It's gonna exactly just how strong this thing is boy.  We could be in for some bangers Needless to say the fights will be wait. They're actually cracking the arena. I guess it's not indestructible I mean, I was the one that guessed it would be Well, what is the status? I mean it looks like it. Yeah, wait, it's cracked everywhere They're like dog is this just to exaggerate how strong destroyers are cuz I get it I feel like some of the fighters might might get this far with the arena enough fighting for now Okay, well, it's just already damaged See where we can make some improve. Oh, no, we have to delay Imagine they'd be bored after watching us fight. Yeah pat yourself on the back, bro. Oh I'm sorry, but it seems they've fallen a good their ego needs to be shaken down a little bit You should get to work preparing the arena before the tournament He's putting them to work. Oh my gosh. I'll be busy helping to transport He knew what he was doing the entire time. Oh Man, good luck. No, they asked for it. They're the ones that destroyed it That's the freezer theme, baby.  What a reunion. I hope you know I won't be sitting back and letting you pull any nefarious. Yep. Yeah. I didn't think about that Surely he behaves It's like an irony Give you one go ahead. Oh guys. Come on You can't pick fights with your new teammate. Tell it to Regina to clear.  We have no one else I feel a little bit better than beers can keep them in line. Oh Yeah, we asked the Frieza over Yamcha that is so sad now that we're all finally in one spot The game plan strategy winning the tournament. We look so small We down the strongest fighters as soon as we can that's our strategy simple enough simple. Oh, we all have complicated relationships with each other Let's have a group therapy session Maybe we split off in like certain groups like teams and balance the teams equally avoid all duals Avoid 1v1 Avoiding one-on-one fights is kind of cowardly. No, it's strategic forget that we sayings are a proud warrior race No, we're so done. We're so done rip our universe Beerus, you know who they are. I should have seen this coming, too They may fight based on instinct rather than logic. I mean Frieza will too Frieza has this just as much pride We're stronger together. All right team 7th universe Let's go. You're not allowed to fight alone. You jerks got that. I can't we we finally made it to the tournament of power Going hands and form a circle wait now. We're forming some kind of friend circle Oh gosh, that was what like stopped him is joining hands. Who's holding hands with Frieza? Oh my gosh This is beautiful They're gonna waffle it to Nope, they didn't oh Beerus is middle-manning their love for each other cannot be avoided for much longer Here we go, baby. No last words to Bulma or anyone else. We're just heading off There we go, just the last one to see them off.  It is happening It's getting intense man, I'm so excited for it to start I'm most excited to start seeing the other universes in the teams they ended up with especially the teams of The team of Jim bros, I forget which universe go with Zeus chomp is revised team with the sands We made it, baby. We're here. Oh That baseline goes hard. They're still rebuilding it Look at them up there Destroyers are creating. Oh other teams.  How come those guys are flying? Because they can naturally they have we oh man, that's interesting Spectator seating Brother this is what I asked for there's hands up. It's my man And the cow the other sayings Well, the sad part is I like Cabba, but if we win he just perishes Yo Wow ego bro This one is saying too. Yeah, just wait her name's cam. Just wait No, no, no, he's overcome that he's a new man Mm-hmm at a boy Roshi's at the top of this game.  It took like five seconds for this to happen. The tournament has not even begun. That's so freeza 11 oh the tops Yes, there's my man and There's your in there.  Just saying hi to everyone is so funny I Mean I'm guessing that these are the two strongest universes here, but the sayings from Cabba's is Wait, he didn't even like brother. Those are some deep abyss eyes. There is nothing behind those He didn't even like transmission behind. There's no satisfactory. He just appeared behind him What wait, what's about to happen? Did it split around him? No, yeah, this guy this guy. I think top was building this guy up pretty accurately those blocks are gonna land That's one powerful warrior. All right. I want to kind of power rank everyone, but it's hard to tell on Dragon Ball Like I said those sayings from Cabba's is a wild card for sure and the teams from all competing universes are here Oh man, the second universe, okay? Oh My gosh He's from yard rat universe. Oh the third the robots. Yes, dude. Oh my gosh For okay, not I don't know about that one Or maybe like what is yeah, they're like hidden away Yeah, six is gonna be interesting especially with hit this beginner. We got a couple changes I know who that like pig looking guy is Well, this is so hype. I'm so excited. Okay. Yeah, again ninth is first out. They do not look that scary either 10 11th kind of scares me I can kind of I have an idea I think some looks stronger than others for sure Doing national anthem of every universe Warriors bro Yeah The storm has finally arrived I just like I said, I still feel so bad because I have to cheer for our universe, but I like it I like Cabba. I like so many top of fateful 48 minutes God, dude, you're it scares me Final reminder to check out my power rankings for the tournament of power first link down below We have finally made it and I am so ready for this got a good decent look at every single universe finally Pretty much see every member But it's gonna take getting into the tournament to really see what everybody's capable of and I mean we have a lot to go It's already teased how strong Jiren is aside from top building him up that one tiny scene tells us all We need to know about him the fact that Goku felt like he needed to hop out of the way But during the literally just stood there but again every universe is a wild card We don't know what they have under their sleeve the weakest universe could have the best strategy and take it all Maybe that's why I'm more scared is because I'm more biased towards our universe And I know that we don't really have a crazy plan or anything aside from just work together now What would that being said Piccolo and Gohan could have come up with something together They're there's stuff that Krillin said he has hidden up his sleeve So I'm not saying we don't have any you know tricks we can pull but I'm just worried, you know We know what's at stake, but that's been in front of the track ball super reaction I hope you did enjoy drop a fat like on this one if you haven't already and I catch you in the next one Peace peace


Was it accurate when the Quran said that God strips the day from the night, showing that the night is a constant? No, it is not accurate. The entire thing is based on a flat earth model where he expands the skies where he's holding out a domicile. Everything about the earth in relation to the rest of the cosmos, everything about it is wrong. It says the sun and the moon both orbit the earth, that they're bigger than the stars, that the stars are lamps that angels throw at them.


Well, every year, we try to host a game where we spend time to honor our servicemen and service women by having a military appreciation day. It's really an honor for us, particularly with Fort Bliss being here in our backyard in El Paso to be able to say thank you to those people that serve our country. Military Appreciation Day is an awesome opportunity for the soldiers and family members of Fort Bliss to come out to the University of Texas El Paso and enjoy a football game with a top notch program but also get to see other soldiers in static displays and also talk to recruiters and understand all of the opportunities that each of the armed services has to offer young men and women of the surrounding community. I think what was most profound for me today was to listen to the support in the stands when we presented the oath of enlistment in front of the stadium and all the football fans. There were 117 young men and women representing the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Air Force and the Coast Guard who took the oath of enlistment today before they head out to their respective basic training courses. And to listen to the fans in the stands, recognize that commitment was pretty inspiring. If I could say anything to the University of Texas El Paso, President Wilson, the staff and faculty and all the students, especially the football team today, it's a thank you. Thanks for recognizing the commitment of military families, of military service members and all that they do to commit to this lifestyle but also all that they sacrifice when they serve. We have this amazing opportunity to say thank you to those people who serve. We wouldn't have the country that we have, we wouldn't have the freedoms that we have unless men and women serve before and now and in the future and our freedom depends on it. Say thank you to those people who serve us.


Like we all get to be little and you don't have to be big and grown up and have everything figured out You just you just get to be little and I think that's such a That's such a great that's such that's such hope for all of us our our families our children our church our world That we can continue to grow and and to be transformed. Oh my gosh. That's amazing You know one thing we've seen in deliverance and also an exorcism ministry And and have become thoroughly convinced of st. Teresa of Avalos said it herself God withholds himself from no one who perseveres right I Think it's important that people listening know And I know you can speak to it with conviction as we can Everyone who stays in the fight like everyone we you've worked with thousands of people we work with thousands of people and I can't think of a single person No matter how bad They were broken Whether it be, you know, I said I don't even want to give examples that we've seen But from things that you could you could never imagine the worst things you can imagine where people come out of Have you ever seen anyone in? All of your years who if they stayed in the fight God didn't show up for them where they weren't healed or where they were they couldn't be healed Oh, no, I've never seen that. I think that's the beauty of the the quality of the openness of our heart that we We keep going and we keep going with Jesus and that's very true and the Lord, you know And it's our what our life is so mysterious in many ways I think when we see God face-to-face and we look back at our life There'll be so many mysteries Oh, but finally we revealed it and this I were just so small like st. Paul says we see dimly now is in a mirror We just don't but as we just we could just keep going I mean just getting up and keep going we fall we get back up We keep going and and that that's that's you know Persevering to win the crown and there's no substitute for that. It's not always romantic But but it's the best like what other option is there like, you know lay down and just I don't know It's like there's really no other option when you think about it like the only way is through It's really true. The only way is through. Wow. It's interesting. You just said that the only way is through I don't know how many times I've said that reveal where that were that originally the Holy Spirit originally It actually came to me in an exorcism with a victim that was Had suffered more than anybody I could ever imagine and and they so desperately wanted to be healed But of course in the middle of that process and healing. It's so traumatic Yeah, and I whispered in their ear. The only way out is through The way is through so it's fascinating to hear you say that


The following talk is about email encryption. Who worries that their email encryption might be capable of being hacked or cracked? Worry not. As far as I'm told, it still is rather secure, but. And the but will be answered by Sebastian Schinsel, who is one of the age security researchers who uncovered the drama and the details behind eFail, a recently occurred issue with OpenPGP and SMIME in a lot of email clients. All the technical details he will dig into. So please give a warm hand of applause for Sebastian Schinsel. Okay, so it's good to be back. Thank you everyone for coming. My name is Sebastian. It's my fourth talk here at the CCC. And the other talks that I did were also on encryption. So I somehow like encryption and I like analyzing encryption and I like to break encryption. So I did a talk on TLS where we found an attack against TLS and against XML encryption, for example. And I usually start my talk by asking who's using this specific technology, right? Because when you usually, when you're analyzing or doing a talk about a communication protocol, you ask the people who's using that. And, you know, for email, you know, for email it would be silly, right? Because who's using email? Every one of you is using email, okay? Because, I don't know, I mean, when you started using the internet like in the last 20 years or so, usually the first thing that you do, you dial into the internet and you make yourself an email address, right? So everyone has, everyone uses email. But let's take a look at how things work when you send an email. So when you click in your email client, when you compose an email and you click in your email client, send. So the first thing is on one of your devices, you're using the local network and there's a green arrow because it's under your control. So you can define by yourself how secure this link is going to be. Then you use the next connection and the next connection will be to your SMTP server. And this is also a green arrow because it's under your control, okay? You can control this and usually it's TLS. The same is valid for your IMAP folder because always when you send an email via SMTP, you will upload a copy to your send folder on IMAP and it uses TLS in most of the cases. So therefore the arrow is green. The arrow is not that green anymore when it comes to the backup strategy, for example, an archiving strategy of your email provider, which may be Gmail or GMX, for example, or your company, okay? But you may have a chance to know the administrators and ask them whether they're doing a good job and stuff like that. You're also, it's not under your control where else your email is uploaded to. So for example, in order to check it for antivirus or anti-spam and stuff like that, right? So it gets uploaded to some cloud, right?  And then it goes out to the Internet and, you know, we learned what's happening on the Internet. People are listening in on the Internet. And we heard from Edward Snowden, for example, that many nation-state actors and agencies are doing this as well. They're listening into your emails or they at least try to. And then the arrows get read as soon as it hits the SMTP server of the receiver, right? Because you don't really know whether they're using TLS encryption in any case. You don't know whether they upload it to another antivirus vendor or so. And then it gets uploaded to the IMAP folder, to the inbox of the receiver where it gets archived again, right? There's a backup is being done and stuff like that. It's archived. And then finally, the receiver of the email has the ability to check his own email and retrieve the email from his inbox. Okay. So even if you know that the other person that you just sent the email to does a good job in securing it and uses encryption everywhere and so on and so on, you never know whether there's some attacker or so who has compromised the infrastructure and so on and so on. Okay. And this problem multiplies when you send an email to multiple people because then all of a sudden the email that you just sent, your email, hits infrastructures of many other people, okay? So many people have access to this email. And this is the first point that I want to make in this talk. People usually talk about their email. It's my email, you know? And when I run my own mail server, it's going to be secure, but this is not the case. I mean, the point of using email is distributing it to your friends, to your colleagues and so on and so on because you want to exchange. It's a communication method. But the communication is archived, so people archive this and so on and so on. So it's a mess, basically. Okay. So for the rest of this talk, we need to have some assumption that someone has access to the emails, okay? Because, right, we just learned that it's distributed.  I have the emails of the last 15 years or so in my IMAP folder. And if someone gets access to it, right, boom, I have a problem. Okay. And in order to cope with this, people came up with end-to-end encryption. And there's two competing standards out there. The first one is OpenPGP. It was first defined in 1991 from Phil Zimmerman invited it. And this was like, this happened in the first crypto wars. So this very interesting story. And it's the most widely used email clients. They support OpenPGP, but only when you download the plug-in, okay? For SMIME, it's usually, you usually have native support in most of the applications.  You can just use it and it just works out of the box. But it's mostly used by corporate organizations and military, for example, right? Not so much by privacy advocates like OpenPGP. Now, we can't measure very well how many people use SMIME. We try it, but there doesn't seem to be a public source where we can measure this. But we can do it on PGP because PGP has key servers and you can upload your key there so that people can communicate with you in a secure manner. And this statistic here is the amount of new public keys per month. And it started off very low in 1997. Then in 2003, we saw a constant rise until 2013 where we see a spike here, where it more than doubled. Does anyone know why we saw the spike in 2013? Snowden, right? Edward Snowden. We had the Snowden revelations and Edward Snowden used PGP to communicate with the journalists who did the actual disclosure of the documents. And so we see this in the uploaded keys. So people use PGP much more. We also see this in the amount of daily users of Enigmail, which is the plugin for Thunderbird. And you can extract this information. And there we also see around 2013, we see a jump and it increased by 50% or so, something like this. So people use PGP, right? It's not that many when you compare it to how many people use email. A few hundred thousand is not that much, but still, it's a substantial number. Problem here is we know for a fact that in the last 20 years or so, especially non-technical users are not able to use PGP in a secure manner. So we have the first paper from 1999, Why Johnny Can't Encrypt. And then we have a follow-up paper from 2006, Why Johnny Still Can't Encrypt. Must have been better, I hope. And then in 2015, we have Why Johnny Still Still Can't Encrypt. So we have a long story where people try to use PGP but failed. And this is not something that is inherent in OpenPGP. We have the same papers for SMIME where they confronted novice users with SMIME and they failed, basically. They weren't able to use it in a secure manner. So therefore, in order to enable people to use PGP, especially PGP and SMIME in a secure manner, you have many tutorials out there. And this is a very interesting tutorial because it's the original video that Edward Snowden recorded in order to teach Glenn Greenwald how to use OpenPGP. It's still on Vimeo. The original video is still there. And what is interesting there is he doesn't recommend a plugin for an email client. He basically says, just use webmail and use this PGP standalone application. Type your message there, click Encrypt, and copy and paste the ciphertext into your webmail. Okay, so there's no integration. And others recommend, for example, Enigmail or GPG tools. Enigmail is the plugin for Thunderbird and GPG tools is the plugin for Apple Mail. Which means that most of them HTML switched on, which is an interesting fact for something that we're going to talk about later. So I thought about how can I do this talk, and this is how I came up with the agenda. So we start off with some attacks that are very... I find pretty interesting, at least for an academic, they are pretty interesting.  And you decide for yourself whether you would fall for it or not. I came to the conclusion that I would probably fall for them. Okay, Alight. So we start off with something that is even worse than silly. So what's the worst thing that can happen when you're sending an encrypted mail? You're sent a private key that would be bad? What's even worse? You sent the plaintext. Okay, so in 2014 there was a bug in Enigmail, which is documented in their bug tracker. So basically you compose an email, you tell Enigmail to sign and encrypt it, and then you send it and it will be sent in plaintext. Okay, this is not good. In 2017 Outlook did it much better because they did encrypt it, but they packed the plaintext along with the ciphertext. Okay, bad. And then in 2018, you may remember this, this is just a few months back or so, Enigmail or pretty easy privacy. It's a plug-in to Enigmail, it's a plug-in to the plug-in that's actually used for novice users. It gave the feedback that the email that you're composing will be encrypted, but it wasn't. Okay, and the good news here is, okay, the Ethel attacks don't apply here because... Okay. I mean, it's, but I don't want to make fun of any developers. The point that I'm trying to make here is that email is a plaintext protocol, and it's always very difficult to make a protocol that is, that was made for plaintext delivery to make this encrypted. When you have a plaintext fallback, you're into trouble. Okay, and we saw the same basically with HTTP and HTTPS. Okay, so HTTPS is like now secure, but they had the same issues, right, and browsers and so they were falling back to HTTP and so on and so on. So it's really, really difficult. Now that we have this out of the way, okay, we try to look at the interesting, interesting bugs. And before we start, I want to make a short introduction into how the cryptography in SMIME and PGP work. And I just make one introduction because both are the same from the viewpoint of the attacks that I'm going to present. Okay, both are very similar actually. So we start off by writing a message M. This is here. We generate a session key S. That's basically a random session key. And we use the session key to encrypt the message and make a ciphertext C. And we use AES or triple S for example. Any symmetric cipher will do here. Then we use this session key that we just generated and encrypt this with a public key of the recipient and we get a K. And we pack this K into the message so everything will be packed into a message and sent off to the receiver. The receiver then obtains the encrypted email. He starts extracting the ciphertext K and the ciphertext C. From K he decrypts S, which is the session key, right? And with S he can decrypt the ciphertext C and retrieves M and so both have the same message. So it's basically hybrid encryption. You use symmetric encryption for the actual encryption of the message and then asymmetric encryption to just encrypt this session key. Now, if you attended my previous talks, I talk a lot about ciphertext malleability. So you make tiny changes to a ciphertext and it will lead to predictable changes in the plaintext, which is strange, right? So we would assume when we just flip a bit here somewhere, okay? Here's a bit that just flipped and when we decrypt it, we get something like this. Usually you would think, okay, it's total garbage. Nothing sensible should come out of this, but we see something like this. Most of the message is still intact. We just have a few randomly looking junk binary stuff in there and we see one changed character here. That used to be email and now it's e-fail, okay? So there was just some bit flipping happening here. In order to understand this, we need to introduce something that we called a mode of operation. AES or any other block cipher has the property that it uses blocks. In most cases, it's 16 bytes and when you want to encrypt more than 16 bytes, you need to call AES multiple times and you split it into blocks and CBC is one way of connecting these ciphertext blocks. So the decryption works like this. You have the first ciphertext block, the second ciphertext block and the third ciphertext block. Only the second one is decrypted. So C1 is decrypted using AES and your key, for example, and the result here is not directly the plaintext, but it will be XORed with C0, which we would also call an initialization vector, okay? So whatever is written in here will be XORed on whatever comes out of this description and we get this plaintext here. Now, when we flip a bit or when we change a certain byte in C0, we change whatever comes out here of the decryption and we will flip the same bit at the same position in the plaintext, which is interesting, because now, when we say we use the original C0 and XOR it with P0, so when we XOR it, when we XOR twice the same value, we get basically a block of all 0s, which is like a blank sheet of paper that we can write on. And we call this thing, these two blocks here in combination, we call this a CBC gadget because we can reuse it as much as we want. And now, when we now take a chosen ciphertext, the nice thing is here, we just XOR it, the chosen ciphertext on this initialization vector and it means that it will here result in a chosen ciphertext. So this requires that we know the value of P0. We need to guess this value of P0 and this is always true, at least for SMIME because all SMIME emails start with a content type. So we always know the first bytes, so this is valid. We can do this. Now, this was like the perfect scenario. It does have some drawbacks because when we try to do the same for C1, we flip a bit here, then we flip a bit also here, but the decryption of C1 results in this random junk and we can't do anything about it. We don't know whatever will come out here and we can't control it. We just have to deal with it. It's gonna be there when we use the CBC gadgets and we have to deal with it. We have to find a way to deal with it. And now we can explain this behavior. You remember this email where we just flipped a single bit and we saw one block was destroyed, basically, and then the other block we had, like, we can flip arbitrary bits. That's the explanation for it. Now, how do you deal with it? How should a proper crypto protocol deal with it? Usually you do something that is called a message authentication code. It's not a digital signature. A message authentication code is something like a checksum, a cryptographic checksum that is put right next to the encrypted message and that can be checked after decryption or for decryption. The message authentication code is solely there to detect changes of her ciphertext. Digital signatures are different, especially in the mail context, because they're pretty much totally separate from the decryption part. So digital signatures are merely only used to display an icon, for example, for valid signature or invalid signature. And the problem here is a smart attacker can use a signed email and strip off the signature. We just strip off this part that we know there's a signature. We can remove the signature, and then this doesn't mean there will be an invalid signature, but we will get something like this. This is the icon in Thunderbird for encrypted and not signed. So we can simply strip off a signature, and there's valid reasons to send an encrypted email without doing a digital signature on it, right? So we want to do both. So digital signatures won't do, won't prevent this attack. So how does S-MIME look like?  MIME is like a standard that we use in emails anyway. Here we have an email header. It looks very similar to HTTP. We have content type, colon, empty space, and then there's whatever is coming now for data. And then we have an email body with envelope data, and there we have the list of the encrypted session keys that this ciphertext was encrypted with. And after that, we have the encrypted content info here. This part is the encrypted part where the actual message lies. And now when you look closely and you squint, you see there's no message authentication code. And it's not because I left them out, but because S-MIME doesn't define one. So S-MIME doesn't have a message authentication code, which means it cannot detect by the standard whether a message was changed or not. So how can we attack this? How can we use it? I think you all have a feeling that this shouldn't work. Okay, this is nothing that is supposed to work. This is the plaintext that we want to exfiltrate, and we only know the first block. We can pretty much always guess the first block because it's always content type, colon, text HTML, or text plain, something like this. Now we can use this as a gadget here and write our arbitrary plaintext. We have a random block and then chosen plaintext. Then we copy it again. We again have a random block and some chosen plaintext. Then we have a random block and a chosen plaintext. Then we have a random block and a chosen plaintext. Then we copy here the original ciphertext. And we close this thing, and when you look closely again, you see that we're building HTML here. That's a base tag, that's an image tag. It uses a URL that is not closed here. It will be closed down here, and this is effectively the URL. A URL path, and will thus be exfiltrated. So when this HTML is interpreted, the actual plaintext is sent to the server. And here we have an old Thunderbird, so that is a version of before May and before we did the disclosure. We first compose a message just to have some PGP ciphertext. This is a very secret message, and here we have the attack email that is already prepared. And now it asks us, okay, here's remote content in here. What do you want to do? And we just, just for the last, just like this, we just click it. And we see always now when we select the message, an HTTP request is done to this URL. And when we decode this, it looks pretty, it's encoded. But basically what we have here now, you see here's the secret message. And here's random junk. And here again is random junk, right? So it was successfully exfiltrated. This was the first proof of concept that we had, right? And, okay, right? And so this works. This is like this dialogue here that you get in Thunderbird that asks you, should I load remote images? Yes or no? This is basically everything that is keeping you from losing your PGP or S-mime ciphertext, S-mime. We're talking about S-mime here. Now what we did next was we were asking ourselves, okay, it works with remote images. We understand this. But what other back channels do we have? Backchannel is something where your email client is communicating over the network. So it's not necessarily exfiltrating, but it's just like how can we convince a client to make a connection to somewhere else? Now I colored in red all the email clients that require user interaction, that always require user interaction before it opens up a network connection somewhere. In orange, we say that there's no user interaction. So these are the clients that allow, for example, loading remote images by default. Okay, there's mail app, for example. There's Gmail, for example. They will not ask you, they will just load it. But what we think is worse, and therefore we colored in red, are the clients that say we won't load remote images or any other way of communicating over the network, but then they will because we found bypasses. So because preventing loading remote images is basically a firewall, and we bypassed this local firewall and found several ways of extracting it. And there's even four or five of them that even allow JavaScript execution in a mail client. I mean, come on, this is really weird. So basically 40 or 47 clients have back channels that require no user interaction at all. And now we went out and tried to think about how can we exotrate plaintext over it. And this is the final table, the final result table for SMIME, and it looks pretty grim. Exotrate once means it's vulnerable. That means we could exotrate plaintext successfully. The ones with a dash, they don't support SMIME, and clause and mud, they don't. We just didn't find any remote connection there. Which is good, which is good. Yeah, it's a round of applause, right? So I didn't say what S in SMIME means. It actually means super. So it's super MIME, I don't know. Is it super MIME? I don't know. Basically, his kryptonite, you know, the supervillian of super MIME is HTML here, right? You could say this.  Now, this is my Thunderbird that I have on my Mac at home. So this is like something that I recorded two days ago or so. And here I want to try to show you a way of exfiltrating the data without using HTML. So HTML here is disabled. This is the message that we want to break. And here we see the same message where we just changed. Using gatcheting, we just changed the URL. So in Thunderbird, when you disable HTML, it will still highlight the links. And when you click on it, you're going to exfiltrate, you're going to exfiltrate plain text, right? So we require a little bit of user interaction, but we can basically change a SMIME ciphertext in a way that it will contain links. And when you click a single link, you will lose your plain text. It's just a single click on it. And the thing here is, I mean, this is not a zero day in a mail client, right? You just can't do anything about it. That's the problem. Okay. So people said, okay, eFail, that's just disabled HTML and then you'll be fine. But the problem here is basically eFail should work with any format that supports external connections. So as soon as you have a file format, for example, that supports external connections like PDF here, right? This is a PDF. When you click on it, it will warn you and it will say, do you really want to make a connection to this domain? And if you click yes, you will do a connection there, right? And when you look at how the URL is encoded in the PDF, when you open the PDF in a hex editor, you see it's just a string, just like HTML basically, right? So you could, if you reuse this as well, so you could change an SMIME email that it contains a PDF attachment and when you click the PDF attachment, it will export to it. With no user interaction, it works with Microsoft Word, for example. So that's a doc file, and doc files allow external images that will load. It has no user interaction at all, so you just open it and the request will happen. And the only problem that we're having here is it's not an ASCII URL, it's a Unicode URL. So I'm not sure whether this works with extortion, but hey, no user interaction, right? And now you could say, okay, PDF, Microsoft Word, that's really bad. The same works in LibreOffice, and it's not a bug in the viewers, right? That's a basic feature that has been in these standards forever. So it's a thing that will be supported. It's not a zero-day vulnerability in these viewers, it's just the file format supported, so you can abuse it. So if you have some time, here's your challenge for you. If someone is able to make a successful demo for exfiltrating an SMIME email using a PDF or a doc file, for example, you will get a crate of PlubMata and some e-field swag, if you want to. Okay, so what happened after we disclosed it? Obviously, we disclosed it to all the manufacturers and so on. And there's an SMIME draft of a new RFC, so there's a working group, and they already massaged the countermeasures into the current RFC draft. So for example, to counter the CBC gadget attack, they say use AESGCM, which is not right now in the current RFC, but in a draft it's already in. And so they're referencing the paper and they're saying, okay, you need to do this and do this as quickly as possible. And the second e-fail attack, which I'll talk about very soon, is also mitigated in this RFC draft. So okay, so SMIME is pretty much broken, but you can just try to convince your e-mail client not to do any external connections. Okay, that's all you have, which at least, I mean, for a cryptographer, this means broken. When you have to rely on the viewer not making any connections, the cryptography is broken. So what are the changes to OpenPGP? Because there are substantial differences to OpenPGP. So first of all, PGP uses a variation of the CFB mode. It's not CBC mode, but CFB mode, and they have pretty similar, they're very similar. So I won't show it here if you're looking for the details. Please look at the paper, but it's very similar. We can also flip bits and we also have these chunk bits in the middle and so on. What really costs a lot of headaches is the plaintext compression. So that means in OpenPGP, you don't encrypt directly the plaintext, but you deflate it before you encrypt it, and that makes it very hard to guess plaintext bytes. Because for our attack to work, we need to guess plaintext bytes, and when we know plaintext, certain parts of the plaintext, but it's deflated, we have a problem, okay? And what is also the most important thing is that OpenPGP defines an modification detection code, which is basically, this is the message here, and the modification detection code is a hash of the message appended at the plaintext and then encrypted, okay? Which should detect plaintext modifications. Now, how does the OpenPGP standards say how to deal with broken MDCs when an MDC is not valid? Well, they say an implementation must treat an MDC failure as a security problem, but they don't say, what's the security problem? Okay, what do you need to do then? And the implementation may allow the user access to the Iranians data, so the modified data may be passed on to the email clients. And basically, we try to do this, right? But before we go there, we looked at how many keys on the public key service support MDCs at all. So MDC is a feature that came to OpenPGP in the early 2000s, and before that, it wasn't possible to use it. And so therefore, to make this, to make the change from software that doesn't use MDC versus software that does use MDC, they encoded in the key whether you support MDCs or not. And here you see those keys that were generated in 2000, they don't support MDCs and the green ones, they support it. But the problem is when you accumulate all the valid keys in PGP that don't support MDCs, we still see that at the key service right now in 2017, we have something like 1.7 million of the keys that don't support MDCs. So when I send an email to one of these people, my implementation will not use an MDC. Right. I'll come to this later. So we thought about, OK, how can we make a structured analysis how the MDC is treated with? The OpenPGP standard is not clear what to do with it. And so we have three test cases. First of all, we try to strip the MDC. So we just use this and creep the packet here and strip off at the end. We just say, OK, it's incorrect. So we make our modification in the plain text and see whether they will detect this error or we could also do this downgrade from the packet type that supports MDC to the old packet type that does not support MDC. And when we checked this, especially with the most widely used clients, we saw that Thunderbird and Enigmail and Apple Mail and GBG tools, they basically ignored the MDC. And that was the reason why we didn't see the MDC as very important because in our test systems, it wasn't just treated, OK? Now, what are the EFIL-related changes to OpenPGP? And we're talking about the changes that were done after we disclosed this to them. First of all, they make something that is very important. They say that the packet type in PGP that does not support MDC is now obsolete. So you must not use this packet type anymore. You must ignore it. Which also means that when you have used non-MDC messages in your mailbox, you will not be able to open them anymore, OK? Yeah, that's a problem. Then they also said, OK, what is supposed to happen when the MDC was wrong? And this is the text that we have already seen where we said the implementation may allow the user access to the erroneous data. And they changed this in the current draft to the implementation should not allow the user to process the erroneous data, right? They must still warn the user and so on and so on, but it should not allow the user, which is good. That's a good change. So this MDC check is a bit troublesome because it's right at the end of the plain text. So you can only check the MDC when you have fully decrypted the message, which means when you have a large email or a large backup or so, you have to fully decrypt it and afterwards only you can tell whether it was valid or not. And the solution of KnoopyG is that it will just stream. While it decrypts, it will stream the data to the email client and afterwards tell it whether it's supposed to use it or not, OK? So here's your email, here's your email, here's your email. Oh, no, you must not use it. Please forget it, right? Which is not fine. This is not a safe way of doing it. So the current OpenPGP draft before eFail, before we did the disclosure, already supported something that they called chunking. So they not only have an MDC, some kind of a MAC, at the end of the plain text, but they chunk it into more chunks and each of these has a MAC, a real MAC, which is much better because you can authenticate chunks and cache it before you give it to the app. The problem is that the standard says that 120 megabyte is like a good chunk size, which is far too big, right? Far too big. And when we look at the eFail-related changes to KnoopyG, so for example, MDCs where there used to be warnings. So when KnoopyG was detecting that an MDC is not there or it's wrong, they would just warn it, but it would still print it out. KnoopyG now like fails. It makes a hard failure now. And KnoopyG now always uses the MDC independently of the key denotes that the receiver can use it or not, which is also very good, but it's a breaking change, right? So when you have people that send you PGP emails and you can't decrypt them anymore, you have to tell them that they need to update KnoopyG. They also say that the default chunk size is 120 megabyte, which means they still stream unauthenticated plaintext, so they miss this opportunity to make this go away, which is a pity. Okay, what is not answered? Neither by SMIME nor by PGP how to deal with past emails. So basically all the emails that you're sending in SMIME encrypted right now are insecure, and the old ones that don't use MDCs in PGP, they are also not secure, and nobody talks about what's supposed to happen with them. Okay, that was the interesting attack. That was the one that is really cryptographically involving that require changes to the standards and so on. Now let's look at something that's a bit more silly. Okay, so we have Alice writes an email to Bob. We encrypt it and send it off to Bob. Now here we have the original email, and now Eve composes an attack email, and it somehow gained access to the PGP ciphertext. It also works for SMIME, right? It's independent. It's a vulnerability in the mail clients. And now we don't change the ciphertext, we just surround it with other MIME parts that are type HTML and that exfiltrate it the same as we did before, only that we don't need to change the ciphertext at all, right? So basically when this is decrypted, it will be replaced with a plaintext in place, and then it will be merged into one document. And now I have to tell you something that many people don't seem to know. All mail clients, except Matt, they use HTML to view emails. So even when you disable HTML, it basically means that they will use incoming HTML emails, parse them, transform them into something that looks like ASCII, and display this in HTML, okay? So there's no such thing as ASCII emails with most of the clients. But here now you have one HTML document, which basically means the same, it will exfiltrate. And very easy, okay? So let's look here on this video. Here we have, we create one ciphertext, we encrypt it. We use Apple Mail because this was one of the two vulnerable clients, and we just open this email in order to view the PGP ciphertext, right? We look at the raw code of the ciphertext, the raw source, and we scroll down, and there we see there's the PGP message, okay? Now in the next minutes, Eve somehow gained access to this ciphertext, and it will compose an attacker email, which is hidden in a Python program that we just used to generate an email. So this happened now in the background. You will see an email is incoming. Here we just open the access log for this, and when we click on it right at this time, it will be exfiltrated, okay? So very easy attack. Anyone can do this. You don't need to know anything about cryptography. You only need to understand a little bit of HTML and a little bit of mine, and you can execute this. You know what's worse than this? How about we just exfiltrate many emails with a single attack email? Because we could basically use, here we open an image. Here's the ciphertext. Here we close it. Then we open another image. Here's the second ciphertext. Then we close it. Then we open the third one, and so on and so on. And what you see here on the left-hand side, you see there's 100 ciphertext packed into one email that is sent to this client. I blurred this because I used 100 GPG emails that I sent, right? I didn't want to show them to you. And now this takes some time. Oh, it's like decrypting, decrypting, decrypting, decrypting. And when you look at the terminal on the left side, you see 100 emails getting exfiltrated, right? Automatically, simply by opening a single email. Okay, this is horrifying. And when I say horrifying, I'm literally mean. This is horrifying. So we were like afraid, okay, when we disclose this, then people will start attacking this within the hour or so, okay? And so we disclosed this in early 2018, end of 2017, early 2018. And in May 2018, we had already shifted the disclosure date twice. And in May, we said, okay, we won't shift this anymore. And so therefore we said, okay, we go online, but we want to make a pre-announcement. We want people to warn, we want to warn the people that if you use PGP or Asmai for very sensitive communication, you should disable it in your email client for now. These are the original tweets that we sent.  We will go online with a paper and everything. And now, I mean, people started talking about it and then the GNU PG people started tweeting and they basically broke the embargo. So they told, okay, the attack is working like this. First you do this, and then you do that, and then you do that, and they were blabbing and so on. And then they sent it, which is annoying, but then they sent this. So they said, note that the GNU PG team was not contacted by them in advance. And this really, okay, then it got really hot, okay? This is not true. I will show you later, but I mean, this tipped off almost anyone in the InfoSec community. And we got hate emails and, yeah, people were really mad with them. I posted, we did contact them, and this is like the original dates when I talked with Verna Koch, which is the main developer of GNU PG, but it was too late. I mean, they recognized it. They said, oh, yeah, oh, I forgot, right? But they sent this paper here that writes, e-fail with our names and a date and an embargo and so on and so on. And they said they forgot it, okay? But, I mean, we lost at this point, okay? People were hating us. I was called a murderer and so on and so on. So it was really, really weird. If you're interested of how things worked, right? This is an independent summary of the disclosure timeline from Thomas Taschek, which is not involved with us at all. We have never met him, but who was so kind to just compile this just from public information that are really reliable. So then something happened that we, what we could foresee. People were finding, like, there were some patches and we told, I told you already that we saw that these patches are not sufficient and two days later, okay, people came up with new style of attacks, new e-fail attacks and this was Hanno who found something. So he said, I found a trivial bypass. E-fail is still exploitable with the latest Enigmail and Thunderbird that is three days after we did the disclosure and he responsibly disclosed this and so on and so on, so everything is fine. Mikhail Lee from The Intercept also developed a proof-of-concept exploit that works against Apple Mail and GPG tools. Also, two or three days later, so we were right, right? So people were finding ways to circumvent the fixes that were in there. But still, I mean, okay, media was blowing up, okay? And we didn't actually understand what was really going on there, but you have to know, I mean, PGP is like one of the main users of PHP, of PGP is journalists, right? So, and they basically, I mean, we showed it to them, look, that's the attack and they were like, what, that's how easy it is? And that's what you see in the press, I guess. So what are the lessons learned from the disclosure? So first of all, people kept complaining, I mean, people kept complaining to us that we didn't stick to the 90-day disclosure deadline, so we had more than 200 days disclosure and we'd postponed it and so on and so on. And then the aftermath, it didn't make sense because we were postponing it and postponing it and there were still no reliable fixes. So we should have stuck to the 90-day disclosure headline because after we disclosed it, they were in a rush, they released patches and stuff like, you know, so it was, yeah. Be careful with disclosure pre-announcements. The problem here is people will speculate about the details, you know, because when you say, okay, we'll disclose something tomorrow but we're not gonna speak today, then journalists will speak to some random people, right, that they just get their hands on and they will just try to guess what it could be. And this means they will underrate the risk or they will overrate the risk. Just disable external images, loading external images, then you're fine, that is underrating and overrating is like, okay, PGP's broken forever, right, which is not the case. And they will spread this false information and you still see this out there, right, it's documented, people have issued like papers and so on and so on with wrong information, provably wrong information, which is bad. And so these disclosure pre-announcements are bad because you're not in control of the communication anymore, that's very bad. And controlling information flow really is key after you do the disclosure because otherwise you get the wrong story out and this doesn't help at all. Okay, let's look at the last attack and we call this reply to attacker and I have to give credit to the people of Q53 which also found this bug or a similar, very similar version of this bug as well and disclosed it but they were first to disclose it so credit goes to them, okay. Here the attacker scenario is I get an email from some person which makes sense, it's a benign email, okay, it doesn't look bad at all and the person wants to trick me to answer this email. So this is the email that I get, there's some footer here and stuff like that and now we look in the video, it's an old version of mail that we use here, right. This is the email and I answer it because people were asking me for an appointment, they want to meet me and I was like, yeah, sure, after my talk, let's just meet and this is the attacker email that the attacker has opened and when you look closely down here you see secret stuff here that shouldn't be in there and that I didn't send actually. Let's look at the plain text of this email and the source code of this email and when you scroll down you see it's a mix of just a normal email, benign email and down here you find a ciphertext, it can be S-MIME, it can be PGP, it doesn't really matter and what's happening now is I get this email, this here will be decrypted from my mail client and I don't see it because I won't scroll down, I'm a lazy person, I'm a top poster, right. Now you can go boo and so on, okay. But still, I mean top posting is considered evil here because I basically, the attacker was sending me an email where ciphertext was hidden in there that my email client was decrypting and I was replying to this email sending the attacker the actual plain text that I just decrypted without knowing it, okay. That's silly, okay, come on, that's really silly. Okay, what are you supposed to do now? What are the things that you should do? And the important question here is you should ask yourself, are you targeted by motivated attackers? And a motivated attacker is not necessarily the NSA or so. It can be just, I don't know, cybercrime people or so. I mean we basically came up with these attacks with eight people and the better part of a year, which is a lot of research actually, but it's not comparable to a nation state, right. So if you're targeted by a motivated attacker, and if you say yeah, you are probably targeted by motivated attackers, then avoid email in total. Email is not made for secure communication, okay. If you can't avoid it, and there's people who can't avoid using email, they can't just use Signal or any other chat client, then definitely use OpenPGP and Encrypt and Decrypt outside of the mail client. If you are probably not targeted by motivated attackers, which is most of you, and I presume I would count to the same people here, definitely prefer OpenPGP over Asmime because Asmime remains broken, right. There's a standard coming up which fixes most of the stuff. Disable HTML for encrypted emails, and this is like not that easy. Note that most email clients use HTML by default, and it might be okay if you fix it, the people that are here in the audience, but think of all the people who are not here in this audience who are not technically worst and so on and so on, and they will not disable HTML, right. So be careful with attachments, which is also very difficult. How can you be careful with attachments, right? This is not very good, and don't top post. Don't cite text in a reply. Okay, that was my talk. If you want to meet us afterwards, we're gonna go to the Chaos West. There's a huge enlightened palm, and we'll be there if you have questions. You can ask us there. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot, Sebastian, for this interesting talk. We still have some time for questions, so if you would like to ask some questions to Sebastian, then please queue up behind the microphones, and please try to be concise with your question, and please get close to the microphone, because the mixing angel in the back is able to make it quieter, but hardly much louder if your distance is not right. So let's start with microphone number two. Yes, yes. Hello. I'm actually tested on the HTMLX equation you described, but I found out in Thunderbird the HTML parsing of Thunderbird was actually helping against the tag, because the word tag was just disabling any possibility to exfiltrate the message, because there was some div tag which is closing your image tag at every point in time. Yeah, so this is one of the fixes that they did. I mean, it doesn't help with the cryptography, but it makes exfiltration a little more difficult. If you want to do the testing, try the versions from before May this year. I did. I did with the old versions. Okay. We can talk afterwards if you want, then we show it to you. We are streaming all the talks in the internet, and we have people on the internet that would like to ask a question, so please a question from the internet. Yeah, so there were actually many questions in the direction of problems with the MIME standards. So, like, what they were asking was basically, wouldn't the exfiltration be prevented if the event times would handle the standard correctly? Okay. So, I'm not sure whether they meant the MIME standards or the S-MIME standards. So basically, the MIME standards are the one to blame for the direct exfiltration attacks where you have multiple MIME parts that are mixed together, and the MIME standards don't state explicitly how to do this, so they don't have any rules of how to handle it. And basically, I think as a rule of thumb, when you try to be concise and complete with implementing the MIME standard, you were vulnerable, and if you were just lazy and just, for example, decrypted the first MIME part or so, you were not vulnerable. So, leaving out much of the stuff made you more secure, which is weird. Thank you for the answer. We have another question in this hall on microphone number six, and please remember to be concise and get close to the microphone. What do you see? Sorry. Very good, very good. We can always make it quieter. Hello. What do you see as a future replacement to PGP for email encryption? So actually, we brainstorm a little because PGP lacks many of the modern properties like forward secrecy and stuff like this, but it turns out that it's not very easy to do this, especially not with when you don't want to do changes to SMTP and IMAP. So it's going to be difficult. It's going to be difficult to make it more secure than PGP besides the criticism that I already brought in. So email is not a very good protocol or the protocols that are built in email are not very good to build proper crypto on top of it. Thank you for this answer. So maybe we need to build something and turn you from scratch. There is another question on microphone number two if I see this correctly. So do I understand it correctly? It looks like there won't be a fix for that multi-part attacks. Like there's the normal plain text, the attacker writes and then there is a server text which my main client decrypts. There won't be a fix for that. There is a fix. So the mail clients are fixed. So that's because that's a non-breaking fix. That's a good thing here. So you can fix SMIME, for example, because it would be a breaking fix. But you could fix the email clients which was a lot of work because MIME parsers are very complex but they fixed it. So it's not supposed to work in current mail clients anymore. The direct-acceptuation part. So we still have quite some time left and so I would like to have another question from the internet. Yes, so one user asks would you recommend developers to get very PGP into the email clients instead of using extensions? Yeah. I mean, I already talked about this, that not many people use PGP and also not many people use SMIME. I'm not sure whether this will be increased when open PGP is built into most of the mail clients because you could use SMIME. As soon as SMIME is fixed, it will be fine to use SMIME and it's already in all the clients in there but not many people use it. So it would be nice if we could have it but I'm not sure whether it would have much of an effect on the amount of people who use it. Thank you. And we have another question from microphone number seven. Yes, hello. So I work with journalists. Here, here, here. There in the very back. Hello, hello. So I work with journalists and May was very annoying and I cannot stress enough how important it is to what the point you've made about communicating around disclosure. We were scrambling. I work with about 200 journalists who use PGP daily and we were scrambling for any bit of information. What should we do? It was madness. But I actually have a question. The question is, have you played with MailPile? I've read the paper. In the paper, MailPile, I think I remember was mentioned. And I vaguely remember it was mentioned in a positive light but I just want to make sure if that's the right thing that I should get from this paper. I don't know it on the top of my head but if you come afterwards to Kaos West we'll get out the paper and look at the tests and then we can answer this question. Cool. Thank you. Okay, we have another question on the microphone number six. So I'd like to know if there's any difference in the attack surface regarding open PGP if plain PGP is used or PGP might. For example, if you set your email client to disallow the encryption of inline PGP. That's a very good question. I mean, the reply to attacker attack that I just showed at the last. The Q53 people came up with a version that worked with inline PGP and we showed that it's also possible with PGP MIME. So I wouldn't say, I mean, most of the people use PGP MIME. Inline PGP is not used anymore. The problem is when you don't decrypt PGP inline PGP then you have a problem when people use PGP in an external application they can't copy and paste the ciphertext in there anymore which is also very annoying and I also told you that it's I think it's a very good idea to do this outside of the mail client if you face motivated attackers. So it's not that easy. It would be a breaking change that wouldn't maybe not be too good. Okay, thanks. Okay. Thanks a lot for this answer. I think we are done with all the questions from the hall. 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