The assumption that the best protein comes from corpses is a racist belief, as it erases and replaces indigenous African, Asian, Mesoamerican cultural food practices. Meat eating is also one of the ways gender-based structures of oppression are perpetuated. Men in the West are taunted to renew their man card by eating meat because that's what real men do.  What? What? That's enough internet for me today. I am going to wash myself with holy water. Oh man, we are live. It is a Thursday night reality show. Just so everybody knows, that little clip is compliments of Sir Yetus. Just that last clip, he's got some great shorts. A couple of parts of his shorts, but check out Sir Yetus. I want to welcome Paul Caldwell to the reality check tonight. Paul, how are you doing? Good, my friend. How's it going? It's going great, man. Tonight is a reality check, and it's going to be a good one. I also want to welcome everybody from 21 Studios tonight. I want to thank Anthony Johnson for letting us hijack 21 Studios again tonight for a Thursday night reality check. Yeah, we're going to have a good one tonight. Also, if you're interested in going to 21 Convention or the Patriot Convention, I've got some links in the description of this video. Click on the link or go to 21Studios.com. I have a code which is Tony150, that's Tony150, and you get $150 off your ticket. So let's do this. Paul, welcome. Thank you, my man. How's it going? It's going great. I'm excited that you're here tonight. Always awesome having you on. It's always a pleasure to be here. I don't know how to do the lives of myself, so it's always fun jumping on with you guys who do. Shit stresses me out, man. Yeah, I'm used to it. If anybody watching from 21 Studios doesn't know me, I'm Tony Bruno. This is my channel is Tony Bruno T21 Surfer. I just do this for fun and to have some interesting conversations with some interesting people. And tonight we've got a banger of a guest, man, so we have Paul from the War Room.  Oh, man, that's a hard one. In that show, I try to tell the truth. I try to tell the truth as best as I can to help dudes navigate this shit that we have to go through. Because this space, when I came into this space, I needed help and there wasn't a lot of that.   But more than anything is to tell men the truth and let them see most of what you're dealing with is your own problem, and so you can fix it. You don't need anyone's help, no one's permission, you can do it. And so I try to do that without charging them 25 bucks per second to talk to me and shit like that. I just try to keep it real, man. That's $25 a second. That's a little exaggeration, but I know a lot of guys are getting some big bucks out there just to talk with people. So you know what, that's going to bring me to my first question. I want to talk about mentors and fathers. Do you think somebody that doesn't have a father should have a mentor like yourself? Because I think, I don't want to say it takes the place of a father.  So what is the difference between a mentor and a father? You know, man, actually, Tony, I think even men with a father, sometimes they need mentors because what I've noticed is just having a father doesn't, that doesn't make everything okay. Your dad's got to be a man. He's got to teach you how to be a man.  And that's what a mentor is.  That dude doesn't respect his father. He might love him, but he doesn't respect him as a man because he's not a man. And if he sees real men, he sees that his dad's not that. And so even when a man's got a father, that doesn't mean that he's got a leader in his house. And so I would say it's important for anyone, shit, I've got a man, I've got mentors, man.  They might not even be older than me, but they're men that I look to and I respect them. And so the things that they say, I respect and I listen to it. Somebody that I don't have any respect for, they can be telling me the truth.  But I think in this day and age, especially now, I think it's very critical for young men to have a mentor.   You don't get bent out of shape about it. You understand this dude's telling me this because it's true. And I think a lot of young men need that now more than any time that I've ever remembered because they don't get that anywhere. They can't get it from, even coaches can't do it anymore. And so I think the answer would be across the board. Yes, not just young men, but any man that's looking for answers that he doesn't have. You know what I mean? Like you got to. I mean, right now it seems like, I mean, I would say that, from the time I grew up, probably the time you grew up, too, that there are more weak fathers now than there ever has been. No, really, what you're talking about. Yes, I'm not sure. I don't think that we can point to any one thing. A lot of what I've noticed in this new super stupid-ass, woke, smart, dumb-ass culture.  At least dummies, they like to point at things and put an umbrella on things and go, this is that because, this is this way because of that.  You haven't got life figured out.  The testosterone levels in 20-year-old boys now is lower than the 60-year-old or 70-year-old men from the World War II generation. So what is that? Is that not feminism's fault? That's not, you know what I mean?  You know what I mean?  It was a picture of a group of high school students that graduated in the 80s and then a group of high school students that graduated in the 50s. It was a group of high school students that graduated in 2021.  These dudes from the 2022, these were little bitches, man. These dudes were in-sync, backstreet boy, feminized males.  These boys look like they hadn't had puberty yet. That's a problem. So there's so many different factors that make men weak. And I don't know that it's straight cultural. I think a lot of it comes to our diet. People don't, they're not active anymore. And then along the way, feminism did kick in and told dudes, hey, talk more, be more feminine or get in touch with your feminine side. And dudes took that and became bitches. They're like, oh, you want to see my feminine side? But here you go. And they became straight bitches. And now dudes are afraid of their wives. This is, I hope this dude's not watching. I'm not going to say his name, but I'm going to say this. And he's going to know I'm talking about him. This dude started training with us. He's my age. He started training with me and the men in the morning. And it's hard, man. We get up and go at five o'clock in the morning. So you're at least 430. And that shit's hard. Well, he didn't show up this week and I hit him up. And he's not coming into train with us now because his wife decided to train and he's going with her.    I mean, he said he volunteered for it. I'm like, why would you do that? Why would you do that if you start working out? I'll be there. Yeah, go with her, but you've got to come train with the men as well. And I don't know if it's he wanted some cuddle time to extend in the morning or what. But his woman made him stop coming and working out with the men. He ain't going to say that. But dude, that's what happened. You didn't show up and you're there working out with your woman. You know, you're not working. No, you're not training.  You're lifting weights, probably doing chest and curls.  Or he's too insecure for her to go to the gym by herself or something. But he broke the mancoat. This is fucking, this is our suffering.   And that is common. It's very common. Why do you think, what makes a guy weak in that position? Is it just because he doesn't want to hurt his wife's feelings or is he afraid of it? I think he's, I don't know. I think there might be a mixture of that. I think, I really, I think he does it because he's let her get away with it for so long. You know what I mean?      He goes out, he gets the money, but she runs the show. If she decides that she doesn't want him doing something, he's gonna come up with a reason why he won't do it. And I don't know if they're afraid of the women or if they don't want to hurt their feelings or what it is, but I always laugh at guys like that. You know, my situation, I do whatever I feel like doing. If I want to do something- I mean, in reality, wouldn't she say she would respect you more in the end? I think she, I think, you know what? This might sound like some Andrew Tate shit, but I think they do.   And just like a petulant child, she's gonna get over it. And then, you know, either she'll move on or she'll start texting you, and you can ignore that too. But when that element of, let's just call it what it is, fear, fear of loss, when you can just walk away and go, hey, man, I'm going to do this and you're gonna get over it or you're not, that makes you a stronger man, I think. Because if a woman tells you, I don't want you to do this and then you don't do it, I think after she's done that to you over and over again, there's a lack of respect. She looks at you and go, God damn, I wish for once you'd stand up and tell me, no, bitch, I'm going. You know what I mean?  It has to be that way. If you were ever that way before, if you were ever a man before and then you stopped being one, I think the woman misses that man, you know what I mean? She has to. I mean, that's who she fell in love with. So there's a, there's a weird, there's a weird dance that, it's a dance that goes on. You gotta give, you have to, you have to.  I'm gonna go out here and fight dinosaurs.  You know what I mean? You know, that balance too is what a man needs, I think. You need to go and train. You need that. You'd have to. And the separation of a relationship too, and trust me, I have no relationship expert, but I see the best relationships work that when people, they do their own thing, what's good for them, and then they come together. To me, that's the relationship. Well, that's what it's supposed to, you know, my sister, my sister's probably, she's the last person on this planet who would take advice from on anything.  And when I was 23, I was a puppy still, and I was dealing with this crazy psychotic slut. And this girl was just doing what sluts do.  And one day, man, this girl did one of her little slut moves, and I was, man, I was pissed. This was back in our Ronald Reagan era days, man. So we were different people.  There's a lot of violence that was normal.  You need to learn this.   Who are you to talk to me like that? Like you're in a dysfunctional relationship every week, but it made sense because this relationship was so toxic and poisonous on both of our ends. We wanted to own one another, and it was just, it was sick, dude, it was very sick. But when she told me that I was like, that is, that's good stuff. These guys that come into this space, hurt and broken and end up down having sharp fans and listening to Rolo in them, they don't understand, they don't understand that this breaking, this relationship that tore you apart, you actually got a favor done to just don't understand it yet.  And the crazy part about these guys is if they don't man up and become solid dudes to realize, you know what, I picked that girl and I picked her for a reason and start trying to figure that out. It's gonna happen again and again because they're there. It's not her fault.  You might have invited it.  They're always poison. But when that person adds an element to us of whatever it is you need to your life, I think that's beautiful. I think that's when they do work because you're not depending on that person to do anything but be what they are to you. You know, they're not, one of my buddies is coming to the realization that he looks at his wife for validation that he should be giving himself. There's a lot of dudes who have that problem in all their daily relationships because they're looking at that woman as an addiction. She's not, you don't love her. You don't love heroin. You love the way heroin makes you feel until it makes you feel sick.  It's the same thing with these relationships where I gotta be with her all the time. I gotta be with him all the time. No, that's an addiction. That's not love. That's not a cool relationship.   That's right. You feel great when you throw it up. Yeah.  It's like a reverse moment is what it is. Yeah. You got what you wanted. So now, kind of thing, so. But anyways, let's talk about a positive marriage. In fact, Elliot Hulse was gonna be out tonight but just, he couldn't make it because he is renewing his vows. Congratulations, Elliot. It's his 20th anniversary. Congrats, Elliot. So, but I spoke with him and he does wanna come on and talk with me and you sometime soon. So we'll be expecting that. I'm sure it'll be, I'm Elliot's awesome. But you also did a video here. In fact, I wanna talk about a few videos that you did. You did one with Elliot about Elliot Hulse and the whole vice news situation that kind of attacked him. No, not kind of, straight up attacked him. I believe called him a school shooter and some other stuff.  Yeah. So let's talk about that and why did you make a video about that and why did you respond to that specifically? Well, I've always, I hate bullies.  And when I first saw that, when I first saw that video, I've watched Elliot's, I've watched his content for shit, man. It's been a while because when I, before I moved out here to the boom docs, I had a gym in the Dallas, Fort Worth area and I used to be a professional BMX racer as well. And so I trained people from all over the world and the internet was fascinating. Joe DeFranco, Elliot Hulse, there was a lot of dudes who were putting out content about strength training and I was trying to absorb all of the information that I possibly could and Elliot's delivery was always awesome. I thought he was kind of funny and I was introduced to him because somebody told me that he looked like he was my brother. And so I thought it was just the way the Elliot's presence is, it's funny to me. You know what I mean? He's a character, he's a funny dude, but he's knowledgeable about what he talks about. But over the years, been over a decade and the guy has always been positive. Elliot's message has always been positive even when he's talking about aggression and being assertive and all that, he's still being positive.  He's a, I don't see anything wrong with anything that he's ever, anything that I've ever heard.   Like I, when I was in the penitentiary, I went on a spiritual journey, while I was meditating and I had fellas going to say, nigga, you all right? So I get it, but I just, I wasn't on the same journey. So a couple of years went by but he wasn't saying anything negative then. He was trying to help people as he was helping himself. And so when I saw the vice thing, it was weird because I saw it, I saw that it popped up because vice used to not suck. Back a couple of years ago, vice wasn't horrible.  But it got, it's got woke now. But I saw the video, but I didn't watch it because I don't care about in-sales.  I mean, I think that's a goofy term. It's a goofy mindset. Everybody's an in-sale till they're not. You know what I mean?  Every guy on a dry spell is an in-sale. You know what I mean? So this, again, throwing umbrellas and calling people stuff, I think that's goofy. So I didn't have any interest in watching that. But then I saw a video or something where Elliot made mention about it. And so I went and watched the video. I didn't watch this video. I watched the video, I watched something.  And so I went to the vice videos and I went and scoured because I couldn't find the one that he said it was.  Because not because of an allegiance to Elliot, but because from what I've seen of that dude, there's not one harmful meaning bone in that dude's body. You know what I mean? Like Elliot's not a bad person and he doesn't encourage young men or boys to be bad people. And I stand by that. I don't know him, never talk to him, but I don't have to. Motherfucker has been consistent for a decade. You cannot stay faking being a person like that. And I watched this shit and it made me angry, not so much that they threw Elliot in there, but that they missed so many of these cocksuckers that are really the problem. Rollo should have been in there. Donovan Sharp should have been there.   These are the dudes who create guys like that.    Now, does she want to?  And they got these kids on that end of the spectrum, they got these kids, doomers. And on the other end of the spectrum, they got these chunks working as Sonic thinking that they're sexual market values higher than some 40 year old woman that's in shape and had a good job.  And so it was just a reaction, man. It wasn't even really thought out.  But there's a chance that there's some people that watch my stuff that has never heard of it.  You know what I mean?  And that was the motivation. It was just a, I think we've gotten into our culture.  And I think that's the wrong. I think as men, especially when you see another man going through a struggle and especially one that he doesn't deserve, yeah, it's not your business, but it kind of is. Because if you're in that same position, how are you gonna feel if they feel the same way?  You know what I mean? Like if anything ever happens to me, I would hope, I wouldn't expect, but I would hope that I wouldn't even have to turn around and check my six. You know what I mean?  You know what I mean? And even the ones that I don't, I hope that they would just off principle. You know what I mean? And I can't hope for that if I'm not willing to do the same thing.  You need to live a little bit more. And it's like, it's like, oh no, but it was kind of the know it all attitude. Because I'm 23, 24 years old or in my early 30s, I know it all. Oh yeah. You know, I'm in my late fifties now and I've been through a lot of stuff. So I do my best to relay that, you know, because I look at all men as my peer, it doesn't matter what age they are. Okay, I don't just look at guys in their fifties as my peer, all men, men are my peer. And I think a lot of us need to understand that. But you also have to look at maybe some older guys do have a little bit of wisdom. They lived a little, you've lived a little, I've lived a little. I've been through, you know, if I'm twice as old as you, I've been through twice as much as you. Yes, at least.  You know what I mean? Like we've gone through, that's the thing, that message, that thing that you just said is that one of the things that I try to, I try to hit home in my videos frequently.   That's an old Viking proverb, I think. But it's true. It's true. When an old dog barks, there's usually a reason.  He knows not to bark because there's a cat. He knows that, he already knows everything you don't want him barking for. So when he barks, you might want to grab your strap and go look and see what he's talking about because he's not just barking. There's a reason. Now, if he's so old, he's seen now, then he might be that. But we're not old, seen-out dogs and that's what the crazy thing, I've had some, I'll make a video, you know, and it's crazy, I made a video about Tate. And I like Andrew Tate. That was gonna be my next question, was Andrew Tate? Yeah, I like Tate. That's the whole thing.  I made a video because I've had several people ask me if I thought that he was a good role model for young men. Fuck, no, he's not. No, he's not. Those dudes don't have young dudes in the 18 to, shit, I would say even 30-year-olds.  And when he's, I mean, he's good at what he does.  Those guys, now I'm not saying this what he is, but these guys that try to emulate that are douchebags.   But a lot of what he says, I mean a lot. I, dude, I'm lockstep with him. I agree with him 100% on probably 90% of what he says, but the way he says a lot of shit in the way that he, like that image that he's got, I just think that it's, I think that it's not good for young dudes. For old dudes, he's entertaining as hell. I didn't hang out with him. I, shit, I think Tate's probably a cool dude to hang out with. I hung out with him for an afternoon, and he was actually.  I'm not here to critique the job that we're doing. I don't know Andrew. I don't know Donovan Sharple. That's not his real name or Rolo or any of that.   And when I talked, when I spoke about Tate, I was speaking just strictly as a role model mentor. I would not push any kid that I was trying to influence to go, like, listen to this guy.    Do you think we're referring to his persona versus the person? Yes. The difference? Well, that's, that's what I'm talking, what I was talking about in that video, and I tried to make it clear. I'm talking about, is he a good role model? Is he a good in, is he a good role model or a bad influence? If I was judging it on totality, that persona. Because again, I don't know what that guy's like when there's no camera, when there's no audience, when there's no, when there's no bomb to drop. He could be a completely opposite. I mean, he could be a different person.   But I remember when I first started driving, we're dudes are horrible drivers.  Maybe we're not horrible drivers, but we are horrible drivers.   Like maybe drive too slow or something trivial, maybe they don't know how to parallel park, but they're not trying to parallel park doing 60 like a boy will do.  That's a persona. Now I don't know if he really believes that, but sometimes I'll give you an example. When he was, when he did the last one with that beta male, that guy that thinks that he, that guy thinks he killed him in that thing. What's his name? The long haired sissy guy that he was having that argument with about cars about driving. I don't remember.   And I'm like, when he pulled that shit, I was like, ooh, tape, you should have just took the L on that. You should have just said, you know what, you're right.  He could have saved it, but he stayed in there and then he got mad.   And that right there is like, when you put on an act in this area, in this space, when you pretend you cannot sustain that. You know what I mean? Like you have to be authentic, but I don't know that that's his, I think he wants to go viral. I think he wants to do what he's done. Like that dude was more such than Kim Kardashian. Yeah, Tate is, I mean, I believe Tate is just a wizard of a businessman. I think he is.  He's, I knew he's a pimp. I mean, fuck, his business model was pimping before only fans. That's pimping. It's just a different level. When you think that way, you pimp everybody. That's how you do business. You know what I mean? It's pimping. And I'm not, it's not, it's just the name of a job.  I used to be a street hustler. So I look at the pimping game and selling dope and all that, to me, you're hustling. You know what I mean?  But right now it's what you do. He's brilliant.  And that's the society that we live in. And that's why as, you know, you take the influence away from the young dudes.  If you wanna emulate Andrew Tate and you're, you know, you've already lived a little bit.  But if you're an 18 year old trying to do that, I think you're gonna get in trouble. I think you're gonna get in a lot of trouble because you can't move that way. He's not in America.   You know what I mean? Cause he knows how to fight.   You know what I mean? And that's what kids do. They start to, look at that little kid, Sneeko.   You know what I mean? You aren't Andrew Tate.  It's not a good, that's not a good look.  I'm like, that's not a good, that's not good for kids. You know what I mean? If I was going to, if I was going to nudge a young man to try to, if you're gonna look at it, if you're gonna look at another man and model yourself out of here after him, I would point them toward Elliot, not toward Andrew Tate. You know what I mean? Andrew's everything that you dream about when you're in high school. You know what I mean? Bitches, cars, people are scared of you. That's all high school mentality but Elliot's what you want after you've put in time. You get him, he's got kids, he's got it. That's, to me, that's the ultimate dream that a real man aspires to what Elliot's got.  I've met, I've met with him obviously and I met Andrew Tate and I can say that when I met him, he was a gentleman. He was very hospitable but I also watched him turn it on as soon as the camera was on. And I'm not saying it's fake by any means but I saw Andrew Tate, the gentleman pour me a drink, be hospitable, have a nice chat and then when the camera went on, it was Andrew Tate on camera. It's a job, it's like a newspaper. Yeah. So, you know, it's not like I spent a lot of time with him but I did get to meet him last year and same thing with Elliot. Now, Elliot is Elliot Hulse, I've been to his home. You know, I've spent a lot of time with him whether it be dinners at another friend's house but Elliot is Elliot, whether he's at 21 convention, he's at Socks house or he's at his house. He's the same guy everywhere. And he's probably the same guy you see on the internet. Absolutely. It's the same dude. And that's why I've always felt that Elliot was genuine. You know what I mean? Like Elliot, when I meet Elliot, when I meet you, I don't expect there to be one thing that I go and go, man, I expected that dude to be completely different because you're not putting on a show. You're not.  There's no, you know what I mean? You're right. All right, I'm gonna let you go. Hey, what's up guys? What's going on?  You are Tony.  And that's the way it's supposed to be because, well, to me, that's the way I move. That's the way I do mine. Now, if I was an Andrew type person, then I would do exactly what he's doing. You know what I mean? Because he's doing it right. He's doing it right. Even people who hate him can't stop watching him. That's what this whole YouTube shit's all about. That's what this whole social media is about. So I don't knock his hustle. I got nothing against anything that that dude does other than the negative effects that he has on these kids.  And hey, again, if that's the way that they wanna go, go for it. But it's gonna be hard for them because they're not Andrew Tate. You know what I mean? Like that's the hardest part.   You know what I mean?  He's not lying.   He understands the necessity of knowing how to fight.  That's what it's about.  You know what I mean? Like the Tate brothers have been the Tate brothers for a long time. And so he's home to craft. You know what I mean? I didn't know anything about the flipping on the switch when the camera comes on, but that's what I expect because someone that moves like him, like someone that moves in the circles and does the things that he does, they've got to have more to them than that. And that's what I would expect for him to move like a man. And then when it's time to do his job, he does his job whether that's getting in the ring or getting in front of a camera and telling people that girls can't drive. I mean, I've met a lot of guys in this, we'll say in this space and this umbrella, a lot of them, obviously working with 21. And there's been a lot of guys where I've been hoodwinked. I gotta be honest. Where I thought after I met the person, one thing that I have to do is, and I think as men we have to, when you have that little feeling about somebody or something's off, at least follow up on, okay? You could be wrong, but nine out of 10 times, you're not. No. So there's been a lot of people where I thought, all right, he's cool, but he's kind of creepy.   This is great, but get out in the real world. That's one of the beauties of 21 Convention is you can actually meet these guys. It's a week of interaction. It's not, you can sit down and have dinner with Elliot Halson, sit down and have lunch with Paul. I mean, that's what it's about. So that kind of opened my eyes.  But meeting a lot of these, I'll say talking heads on YouTube was different for me, okay? Because I've watched a lot of these guys. I mean, the content I consume now isn't that much. There's a few people here and there. And occasionally I come across somebody, just like the clip I played at the beginning was Sir Yedis. He has a channel, I don't know if you saw his channel, but he has some of the best shorts on YouTube, I think when it comes to men's content. His content is more about protecting a man from marriage and things like that. And it's really helpful. In fact, I hope to have him on here in the next couple of weeks. But yeah, check out Sir Yedis. That was the clip I played at the beginning. I'll check him out. Yeah, so, but these, when you meet somebody in person, it's so different, it really is.  It's really- Oh for sure. And a lot of these, like I said, a lot of these guys that are on, you know, talking heads like myself and you, I'm not, I don't consider myself a content creator. No. To say I'm more of a content facilitator. Right. For a content creator. You're not seeking any sort of notoriety or fame. No, none at all. And that's, I like that, you know what I mean? And that's kind of my last video. Well, I just, I've been given my, that program, that book that I wrote. I just basically, I gotta go back on that.  And I found myself, it's kind of scattered out. And so in the last, in my last video that I released, I basically was told to anybody who's listening, send me an email, I'll see you this PDF and let's get after it and do this work.  I don't want to be infamous. I don't want to, I don't want to be notorious, but I want to be able to reach as many men as possible, which is a, that's in direct opposition of not wanting the fame. Cause I don't, I don't want to be a character for someone. And I will not be that. I will never do that. But I think that that's probably why our channels don't just shoot into the sphere. Because if we wanted to be, if we wanted to be these characters, we wanted to do those things, we would say the same shit these other guys are saying, probably better than they do. Because we know what it is that they're saying, but I don't want that.  I want, I want to, like I just signed, I think I got about 35 guys that sent me an email that have the book in the last, in 24 hours. That's a 35 dudes in 35 different locations.   I think a lot of that's where you work because so many people are stuck behind these computer screens, swiping on their phones and listening to people tell them that it's hopeless. And if this is where you operate behind these screens, then it is hopeless.  And all these dudes are like, man, where do you meet women at? Where do you go? It's like, where are you trying to go?  It's all online. It's all, it's like, dude, that's not where real people are.  You do an online dating in 2022?   Go out and do some stuff.  You know what I mean?   Go out and run around the block and see if there's a chick running in. You know, do that. Go meet some people. Where do I meet my tribe? What do you like to do?  There's men there. Like shooting.  There's men there. You like fighting. Go to any gym. There's men there. Go out and meet people and interact with them. Because I think that's where a lot of these guys, man, there's a generation that doesn't know anything but cell phones. That's insane. We remember when you used to have to wait all day to get home, to see if someone left you a message on answering machine. That, that anxiety. You didn't even have an answering machine. Yeah. Before answering machines. Yeah, dude, it was just, I remember party lines, bro. Yeah. You remember those? Yeah, that's funny. Well, I haven't heard that term in a long time.   Like what the fuck? Yeah, dude. And now these kids got NASA computers in their pocket. Swiping, looking at porn.  Go outside and figure out who you are and what you like to do. And that's why I'm looking forward to getting up to, I've been to Florida a few times just racing. Never got to experience anything cool there. It's always been go to some horse barn and sweat for two days and then leave. So this would be cool to be able to go and do man shit with men and just network with you. And there's a couple of dudes I want to, the big dude from Arizona, I think that's where he's from.  Are you talking about a 21 speaker? Yeah, the 21, I think he might have spoke last year. He was the one that got his gym closed down during COVID. Well, that's Ian Smith. He's up in Jersey. Yes, where is he from? I think he's New Jersey, yeah. Okay, yeah, I've listened to him. I'll follow him on Instagram. I like that dude.   Ian Smith is a really good guy. He's a man. I'm looking forward to networking with those men. I do did what we did here.  You're not telling me not to run my, we're here to be fit, to be, get healthy or not listening to you. So when I saw that, I was, I really liked that Anthony grabbed him too. That was, that's a good pick. There's gonna be a lot of men there. Yeah, oh yeah. You'll be happy with it for sure.  I kind of at first, I wasn't sure if I was gonna talk about this, but because I've got a lot of pushback from this personally, I am gonna talk about Jesse Lee Peterson. And you did do a video about him. You know, to me, I will say it was personal because I know Jesse person. I've had him on my channel a few times. I've spent a lot of time with him at 21.  And the difference is, is that I do know Samuel very well. And in fact, I was chatting with Samuel today for this guy to come out. And that to me, that was kind of like the, that was the, we'll say the silver bullet for me. And I saw all these accusations before. And I don't want to say that I ignored it, but I put it back in the back of my brain and kept an eye on it. And then when I saw Samuel on that first documentary, and that's when everything kind of clicked for him. Again, I know these guys first, they're not, it's not somebody I just looked at the screen. And, you know, Jesse is just a man also. So, but I find it really difficult that it doesn't matter what is said to me. It's like, oh, we need proof. And I'm like, what do you need?  And even then you would say he's probably not doing. It's fake news.  They, you know, Tony, we live in a world where people, the cognitive dissonance that people that they will fully hold on to, it's staggering. It's crazy that Jesse seems to have gone on without missing a beat. You know, this channel goes on. He's made, I haven't watched his content, but I haven't heard anything about him addressing anything. He's just ignoring it. Well, the comparison I made real quick was as soon as Vice News came out with something against, Elliot, what did he- It was on, yes. It was on. Yeah. And the fact that I think Anthony had asked him, sent him an email, nothing bad. Like, hey, what's going on, you know, with this and no response. And also the fact that, you know, I know Hermes who worked for him for 20 years. I believe it was about 20 years as his PR guy. I met Hermes also in person. Okay. Not only that, I communicated with him, but he left because he knows that stuff is real and true. And even dealing with Samuel as a friend of mine right now, it's, you know, people think this is easy for me and I want to say it to sensationalize it as, it's the farthest thing from the truth, but I want somebody held accountable for their actions. Yeah. And being silent to me is not what a man does. No, it's not. And this is a back to the, we're here to help men. We're here to help, to help men. Now, that shit's not helping men.  It's wrong.   I'm not gonna make a return video.  Now, anything less than that is doable. No video, no nothing, no nothing, you said nothing. That to me is an emission of guilt.  These guys, if they were lying, I don't think that they were. That's an elaborate, that's an elaborate lie, bro. That's not just one dude saying, oh yeah, he touched me fun.    It's not the same. That's not the same thing at all.   You're gonna do that so you can get some clicks. I don't believe that. I think that those dudes, especially, I don't know the skinny guy's name, the tall skinny dude, is that the guy that's your friend? No, it's Samuel, he's Mexican. Okay, the tall skinny guy was the most compelling dude.  I'm like, okay, that dude's not lying. He isn't saying this stuff to be vindictive or mean.  For, they're still men. It's still men. And for men to say, hey man, this happened, that's different than a woman saying it happened whether it did or it did not. But if it didn't for a man to say something, that's just weird, bro. I would never, I would never accuse someone of raping me, a man of raping me, just so I could get attention.  Why would you do that to yourself? I mean, that to me, those guys aren't lying. I don't think that they're doing any of this stuff for their own personal benefit. I think like you, I think that they want that guy held accountable and they want him to stop.  That's the scary part. I mean, I think there are people that take it serious. I really do, but after talking with Samuel and I really was, again, I chatted with him today, but I think it really was the shame involved in it. I think that's the point. Yeah, I mean, he was just, it was shame. He just, he had to do something. He couldn't walk by these guys picketing outside Jesse's thing knowing the exact same thing is happening to him, the exact same thing. He just couldn't do it. And I kind of picked up on it. I'll say at the beginning of the year when I used to communicate with Samuel all the time, all of a sudden just stopped. And I didn't know if it was my association with Jesse, that made him stop or his shame. But finally, he wanted to say something and I'll give him a lot of credit for that. And if people think this was easy for me, nah, it wasn't because I met him. I considered him a friend. So, you know. Yeah, this type of thing is not easy for anyone involved. Yeah, it's not.   And you find out that that dude was as not who you thought he was.  I mean, it doesn't, it's a different kind of betrayal. It's very, it's sneaky shit, man. And it's not okay. And it's weird that so many people don't want to believe it. That's the crazy part. A lot of it has to do with you put your eggs in one basket. You build your life around this ideology and this form of, I'll say this brand of crochet that he has. And there's a lot of things that he says that are true, I believe. Yeah. Some things that I've always kind of stood back at, like the anger thing. You know, I was watching a little bit of a podcast today. I might even say the guy's name. But I think that, you know, everybody, one of the things is that if you get angry, you're weak, you're a woman in this thing. And now, and really what it needs to be said, in my opinion that it's how you control your anger, what you do, that what makes you a man or makes you do the wrong thing. Okay, because anger is part of everybody's life. And the person that doesn't have a little bit of that anger or a little bit. And another thing I've said too is anger. Let's not get anger confused for being passionate about something. You can be- And anger's not a bad motion. So. Anger's good, dude. Anger's not, anger isn't bad. When I can't do something well, I get angry about it.  I get mad, I get frustrated, and then I try harder. You know what I mean?  And it's my anger that brings me back. Anger is a man's tool. Not being able to control your anger makes you weak.  Flying off the handle, like a lot of youngsters, like a lot of young black, when I was young, dude, we had it so mixed up.     And I think that's when you're weak because a man who doesn't have the ability to get angry and be violent, to me, in my opinion, that man is almost worthless.  Jordan Peterson made a comment about that a while back. And I love it, I don't know if it was someone else's, but he said that, I don't remember how it went. But basically- I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it is fucking, it's a beautiful little, whatever it is, but it's a harmless man cannot be a good man. And that's what it is. A harmless man cannot be a good man. A good man is a man capable of violence but has it under voluntary control.  That's the truth, because if you can hurt, if you can kill, but you choose not to, then everything else is negotiable. You know what I mean? On your side, everything else can be worked out to your benefit.  Whatever it is, what are you gonna do? You're gonna get, what, sad, triggered?    I think that that whole message of you get mad, you're a woman, I think that's a control mechanism that Jesse uses so people don't show anger towards him. It's disarm them. The dude's not dumb. It's a old school booty snatcher, man. That motherfucker, he's got some skills at it.  And I think that's a big problem with the Christian community. We disguise this hate and anger as, in other ways, the way we talk to people. I've talked to, I've talked to, we'll say a lot of Christians, which really kind of annoy me. And I call it those glazed over look, that trance look. And it's really strange to me because that's not the real person, okay? And that's kind of the Christianity that I've walked away from.  And it's always like, I'm better than you. I know what I'm talking about and you don't know anything.  These words didn't even exist during Jesus time.  They were really trying to curse one of the, that was a whole thing that people did back then. And I try, like when Christians, they try to attack me because the way I talk, because I do, I drop some bombs every now and then, but I don't, I don't, I'm not blasphemous toward the word at all.  And I'm really, I'm curious to know what do those people think Jesus was saying when he was flipping over the money changers table and he was whipping those people. You think he was saying, geez guys, you should get out of here right now. Oh, she said, motherfucker.  You know what I mean? When he went to the temple and started flipping over tables and whipping people with a whip that he made by himself, I bet you if Jesus was black, he was 100% nigger on that day. Everything he said was probably hilarious. You motherfuckers, he probably went off because he was still a man. And when I tell him that, they get that glazed or look like, how dare you say our Lord said that?  I'm kind of making a joke, but it's not really a joke because it's, there's a possibility that really happened. What does Den of Vipers mean?  You know what I mean?  That might have been the worst cuss word that they said back there. We don't know, but he was calling them people names. I think that he was probably cussing them out.  So that's the same Christianity. I think what men like us, who have grown up in Christianity and then see what the church is today, you know something. You know something's wrong. You know that what you see isn't what it's supposed to be, but you don't know what it is.  Well, Jesse is a good, he's actually a perfect, I don't know that we could find a better example. He's a perfect example of what's wrong with the church. The church was stolen a long time ago, like in the Western here in America.  They were doing all their pagan stuff. Well, when Constantine decided to absorb Christianity and become a Christian, a lot of the stuff that we celebrate in Christianity today is pagan. You know what I mean? A lot of it, almost all of it, if not all of it, doesn't have anything to do with Jesus. These are pagan rituals that we've, I'll just sing it, but these are pagan rituals that we've adopted as Christianity. And so going to church on Sunday, that's not from Christ. Like in the Bible, the Sabbath was on, supposed to be on Saturday, I think, we're supposed to go to church on Saturday or rest on Sunday. And so here we go on Sunday and the Sunday worship is worship of the sun god.   That's the problem, in my opinion. We're preaching prosperity at the pulpit.  Jesus wants you to have it. You're supposed to have that big house, that airplane for some money. The more you give, the more he'll give you.  Yeah, that's a hustle for sure. The whole thing is a hustle. There's very few. Vati Bakum is one of the few preachers that preaches the truth that I've listened to.   And I love that.  That was one of the guys I was going to mention was Joel Osteen. I mean, I have a really hard time even looking at that guy.   They're all about that money, Creflo Dollar.  It's not Christ. It's not Christ incarnate.  It's, you know what?  God wants you to have it. What do you want? You know what? He wants you to be fat. It's okay. That shit's crazy, man. And so a lot of what we see today is it's happened because the church has been gone.   None of this should be going on. The reason why it is is because men left the church a long time ago. The real men left the church a long time ago because if they were still there, this country would still have those puritan type values.   Hey, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, how would they feel for what they fought for? What they believed in? You know, even Booker T. Washington. All of those people that came before, how would they feel seeing what we are today?  And it's because we have lost, we've lost touch with God. We've lost touch with our order. You know what I mean? Like it's supposed to be God. It's kind of like in Christianity too, there's my God and your God. I think that's the issues. It's the same thing with everything in America. And in the world is my truth and your truth. My reality. One truth. Yeah. And there's the truth. He has his own version of something. Yeah. And you have to live with that. Like, this is my version of the truth.  That's why I'm looking at the shit, dude.  I'm old dirt. We're not old, but I'm older. I'm not in my 20s. I don't have a whole bunch of, I don't look at the future and go, oh my God, got so much to look forward to.  Like I know I'm not 21 anymore. I know all these things. I do not envy the youth today. I do not look at these guys. I don't look at kids that are, you know, early 20s who go, damn what I wouldn't give to go back.  There's no way. There is absolutely no way.   Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't think so.  No, I don't know if you come into Texas here soon. So don't leave too soon. I ain't going nowhere, dude. I'll stay here. I'm dying right here where I live. That's, I bought this property.  You don't know. Dude, I got 45 acres, man. That's not a completely unheard of. You ready to move, dude?  That's right. I don't trust everybody living around me. So yeah, I don't try like I, I got, there's, I got very few people around me cause I'm in the sticks, but if I put some, I want to make sure I know who they are and I trust them. You know what I mean? I got three rat wilders doing the job right now, but somebody can eat them. I don't, I don't, I don't trust them too far. The fuckers are, they're not very, actually they're not very good wash dogs either. I want to let everybody know that's from 21 Studios. There's something that I do here on my channel as we drop the stream yard link in and you come and talk with Paul. So, so you hit that link, follow the directions. And if you got a question for Paul, you can come on live and ask him. So you see that link? I'm going to pin that sucker to the top of the chat right now. And I think on 21 Studios too, I don't know if it's pinned, but you'll see it in the chat. So if you want to come on and talk with Paul, now's your chance. And I've got already three people backstage. I am going to bring on, everybody just relax one second. I am going to put up a shield because we have some really good trolls on my channel. I bet. All right, let me, let me pop a shield up here. I want to make sure, is this Caduceus? Yes, it is, sir. Okay. That sounds like you. Caduceus has a radio voice. Let me add, Working on it, man. How we doing fellas? No, I'm joking. What's going on guys? How you doing? You got to watch her backstage. I'm going to remove the shield. There we go. Hey guys. There are no weenies here. All righty boyos, all righty. Welcome, welcome. As you can see, Tony, I have a neck now. I'm starting to lose weight even more. So I actually have a neck now. Oh, that's good. If you don't realize it, Deacon, he's been riding his bike all around Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. So if you see him wheeling by, give him a salute. I did two hours the other day. I did about 20 miles. And I did like about, it was a little tough ride. I had to climb a lot of hills, but I'm getting on it, man. Too old not to stay fat. Well, tell Paul about your journey. I think you were on with Paul last time or the other time. A lot has changed, man. A lot has changed. I started getting serious about working out, eating right, changing things. I'm feeling a lot better than I have been. Backaches have been reduced. Of course, muscle aches lifted. So I'm on this journey now, like I work out three times a week if I'm doing full body. I got advice from Caduceus though about my eating. Cause I was eating, I was doing a deficit. And he was telling me you may have to want to eat here and there, but plus I'm getting my, you know, all my macros taking a look at and stuff. But it's been insane. Now I've been singing and playing guitar on stage now and I'm built the mic. So I've been, I've already also joined a band and I'm working on music with self-made and a lot of stuff's been going on. Nice. Yeah, it's been wild. Yeah, good for you. It's good to hear, man. Yeah, you're moving forward, which is good, you know? Oh yeah. I'm glad to hear that. And I know you were on a weight journey. So let's hear it. Yeah. Cool, man. You're like 30 down, right? Pretty much. I was shocked. All these extra large shirts are starting to wave in the wind. I'm like, huh? Nice. You have to go shopping pretty soon, man.  Brutal. But yeah, like I get on it tomorrow morning, like right before work, I go right to the gym and just get it at heart, you know, and stick into those compound lifts and stuff like that as much as I can. Good, man. You can build that base. Good for you. Exactly. I'm glad to hear it, man. It's nice to hear success stories. It's nice to see somebody doing stuff. It's nice that you realize that you, in other words, were stagnant and now you decide to go ahead and move and get it done. Because, you know, there's a lot of guys out there that aren't in shape. And, you know, the next step, even when you start getting older, the only next step is in a box. I mean, that's the reality of it. But I also want to welcome Watcher. Watcher, how are you doing, man? Hello, all. I'm very glad to be here. Yeah. You got any questions or comments for Paul? Hey, Paul. I watched some of your videos. Hey, there. I watched some of your videos about, you know, about different things in the man's sphere and about was it the Cuck Mastery Expo, different things like that. So it's pretty funny, yeah. I mean, I have questions. I mean, I know, I mean, I don't really have any questions right now. Me, I mean, I'm still shocked about all of the Desolee Peterson allegations. So I'm still beside myself because of that. Yeah. I think a lot of people are. That wasn't, I don't think that was on anybody's radar. Yeah. And I think that the natural reaction to that is shock. Yeah. You know, you have a booty banded among you and you don't know it. That's shock.  I didn't see that. Yeah. I just want to point something out. Someone on my show actually brought up the issue and I didn't bring an answer. And I was called a fence sitter for it. I'm going to solidify my stance on the Jesse Lee Peterson thing. I don't know what went down, but I've been talking with Tony. I think he's a fairly good judge of character. And when he says, Samuels probably telling the truth, I'm going to side with him there. That's just kind of how I see it. I don't know what happened, but I'm inclined to believe it based on the people I know. Yeah. Well, and I just wanted to add to that because I met him in person at the Bond Convention and there I met Tony in real life for the first time. I met Anthony Johnson for the first time. And here's the thing. When I first met him, I could tell he was gay. Like I have certain gay members of my family and I love them besides their gay nonsense, but as weird as this is, this is going to sound like from dealing with them, I have like a gaydar, they call it. And when I looked at him, my gaydar went off.  You know, he's trying to be a good Christian. So he got all the more respect for me for that.  And he didn't want to do it at first, but then he did do it because enough of the crowd wanted to do it. I guess he didn't have anyone to molest there. That's probably why he didn't want to do the silent prayer. Brutal. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, I was there. I remember that. But you know, I, again, you know, I think people are in shock and sometimes you just gotta, whether or not you want to believe it as true or not, that's up to you.  He has no reason to lie. So I was gonna leave it at that. But let's go to vital message. Vital message. Yes. Yeah, I think earlier when you were talking about the corruption within religious institutions, specifically Christianity, I think this is a problem among a lot of community leaders where a lot of them haven't lived in the real world, to be frank about it. A lot of them have locked themselves into a bubble of academia. They're looking at videos, books, speeches, instead of actually figuring out how hard it is to work, what it takes to improve your life. So I suggest everyone please question your quote unquote community leaders, your religious leaders, ask have they done anything in the real world to back up their advice and see if like, if there's any ground in the real world. Like, and I wanna hear kind of Paul and Tony and the rest of the panel's thoughts on community leaders, not having any receipts in the real world that their ideas like hold any merit. I'll go first real quick. That is one reason why I like Michael Foster. I have met him, I've hung out with him a few times, great guy, lives in the real world every day. He's not just a pastor, he's a businessman. He's been through a lot. I mean, you guys don't know he was a professional card counter.  He knows the guys from the movie 21.   And hopefully Foster, if you're watching, jump back on. So, but I think Foster is a great example of a Christian religious leader that is legit. Yeah. That's a good question. I think that's probably a good, that's a good measurement to gauge or whoever your religious leader is by, because so many of these guys do lock up in these bubbles, they preach in this echo chamber. And when all you're doing is telling people, the church in the mannisphere, in this current state are a lot of like, instead of telling the truth and telling the people the congregation, listen, you fucked up, you got work to do, it's a whole different story. These people are telling the congregation what they want to hear to make them feel better so they'll keep paying them, same hustle. And these guys, they do works and wonders in their own church, but where is the work? Where are your receipts in the public? That's one of the biggest, like I always talk about the collection plate when I speak about modern church, but that's really what it's come down to. It's taxed, they don't have to pay taxes. So who's getting this money?  These are multi-million dollar corporations that don't pay taxes. And all these people keep coming back and they walk out feeling great, instead of feeling convicted, instead of feeling like they got work to do. When I went to church as a child, even before I knew what good and bad was, they still leave church horrified, thinking, oh my God, I can't do this shit, this is impossible. Now you got people happy when they leave, Jesus gonna buy me a jet. It's insane. I think a good measurement, all churches are gonna need revenue and whatnot, but I think one of a good measurement of your spiritual, religious leader is the lack of all that stuff. You know what I mean? You don't need a Rolls Royce or a Benz or a Bentley or a BMW to preach.   Similarly, Donovan Sharp and all these other dudes, it's the same setup. Let me tell you that you're fine, it's all women's fault, give me some money on my Patreon so I can get to the studio so you can think that I'm in the same cycle. And so you do have to question. You have to question everyone in a leadership position. There's receipts and there's also what life are they living? What life are you living?  Are you living it? And that's where we're gonna get a huge break. What are these people when they're off the pulpit, when they're not telling you that you're perfect, what are they, who are they? And I don't know that you can really find, that's the problem trying to go by the church. Where are you gonna find that at? Where are you gonna find something that's real? That's a problem, it's a real problem. Yeah, I think that's a fair point as well because when I'm looking for role models in general, I wanna see like, is this person living a life that I wanna live? And can I learn from their experience? And there's a lot, I don't see that with a lot of people. And that's good though, that's what might be, a lot of people might be looking at you. That's the thing, if you don't see a lot of people that you see in that light, you might be one of those people, which is badass. You don't know that yet, you might wanna check that out. Yeah, let's go back to church real quick thing. And I remember growing up, especially in my, I'll say my early teens, we went to some pretty hardcore churches. When I say hardcore, these were, one ended up being really fake. And the typical- One of the Holy Ghost churches? Well, yeah, the typical master screw in the organist and everything, it's just- The hand closet foot-stopping church? So Tony, you lost your virginity there, right? But also I do remember my dad worked with this black reverend, so we went to this black church. We went there a couple of times, I remember his name is Teddy. And you talk about a church that puts the fear of God in you? Yup. They played a movie, I remember the name of the movie is still, it was called The Burning Hell. And it was about, I don't know if you guys ever, it's an, this has to be in the late 70s, I'm gonna guess and say.  And let me tell you, it was tough to watch. There was a lot of repenting going on, we'll say. But let me bring a couple people on here real quick. I wanna throw up a ticker here. Oh, wrong one, Tony. I'm gonna grab a girl real fast. I'm gonna bring on Uncle Guns, Uncle Guns, is that you? It is I boyos, you're one and only uncle. Okay. And then I'm gonna bring on somebody I don't know, it's Paul, I wonder if this is the Paul that I know. Paul? I was born a boy, but I wanna be a girl. Goodbye. Oh, come on. Well, I knew that was coming. So. That's fun. But before that, were you the uncle that got to Tony, Uncle Guns?  I don't know what that means. Did that go over my head? I think so. You know the joke about the uncle that took your virginity? That kind of thing. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, cool. Guns is younger than I am, maybe I'm the uncle. It's not. Hold on, hold on, Paul, is that a deer? It is, it is, man. We do wildlife rescue and this lady brought this little girl about two weeks ago. Aw. She got hit by a car, I think. Oh, wow. But I grabbed her.  And so for the past couple of weeks, I've been trying to rehab her back to get her dialed in. I've been doing all kinds of crazy shit, man. I've been e-stemming her in her back, hiding where she had no feeling. Started to move her legs again. So she was about to fall out of the chair over there so I had to go grab her. She's my buddy. At first I thought she was real tame. Is that a beer? No, it's a full deer. Say hi, fellas. Hello. Was it a fawn or? Yeah, she was a little baby. She's gotten quite a bit bigger since I got her. Oh, yeah, she's eating now. Yeah, she's eating good. Hopefully she'll be able to walk, man. I've been trying to use my personal training knowledge. I don't know shit about how they're built, but I know if it was a human being, what I'd be trying to do to them.  They would have killed her right off the bat if they were found. Yeah, yeah. So we talked to the game warden and he was like, listen, the guys are crazy for doing that, but it's cool. And how much is that deer weigh? She's probably about 20 pounds, 25 pounds, maybe. A little thing. That's about right. Yeah, she's still, yeah. She's still, literally. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, she's got to grow into her head, it looks like. Did you name her? No, I don't, dude, I stopped naming animals because they die. Fucking, I breaks my soul, dude. So I just, I just call a pretty girl or whatever comes about. That's awesome. Yeah, she's cool. Yeah, anybody in the chat, if you have a question for anybody on the panel, go ahead and drop them in there for sure. I had a question earlier in the stream from a guy on Tony's channel that looks like a new guy, Luke. I don't know, I'm gonna put your last name, Luke. Big Neo, he had asked, he said he was 16 and he says he's 16 and he's different from all of his friends. What's the one piece of advice the gentleman on the panel could give him? But he said he's superior to his friends. In other words, he wasn't joking. I think that was the question, remember that. Okay, okay. Where he's superior in all aspects of I guess would be physical and probably in school and things like that. So what advice would you give a guy like that? Shit, he's already just a bad student. I got something after Paul. Amen, if he's superior, this is the way, my grandpa told me this. If you're the best person in the group of people that you're in, you need to get a different group. You don't wanna be the best, baddest dude in the group that you're in. So it's cool that you're superior to everyone. But I think that the best advice I would give someone who was in that position, whether it be true or you just thought that way, you need to surround yourself with people who would challenge your superiority. That's what I would say. You need to sharpen your iron with iron as fast as possible. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.  Maybe the group that you're hanging out with. Yeah, that's what he said, the group that he's hanging out with.  If you're the smartest dude in the group, you need a new group. You don't wanna be the head of the group. He said he lives in Arkansas. He was the question right here for the lack of diversity. If he was in Arkansas, that says a lot. Here's what he says right here, guys, if you wanna read that. Okay, so it's hard for him to find a new group of people, a new cohort to expand his skills. Okay. So I guess he maybe has a networking issue because there's not too many people to work with. That might be it. What do you like to do? Yeah, I mean, that's a hard thing to do. I think that's probably harder for young guys to do than old dudes to do. I don't know. Maybe you gotta go outside of your age group and find some people that are doing what you wanna do. As well, get a mentor that way. It's a great idea, actually, to be honest. Any one of the people that, yeah, that makes sense. Like what kind of jobs and industries you wanna join, maybe get an entry-level job there and shake some hands and meet some people. He said he's 16. He's young. Yeah, he's a young dude. He's already asking that question. That's a good question to be asking. When I was 16, I didn't care about any of that. What's the matter? He's head of the game. Yeah, head of the game. Okay, we got a comment here from Leo. Let's see what it says. Great one, we need humanity, need a religion that will persist into the future. This religion will be objective. Is that, in that, it is recognized as truth, ultimate and supreme. The religion will be subjective. Do you guys think of that? Do you wanna take a stab at this, Paul? Man, I don't, I'm a Christian. Say I'm a Christian and I believe that, I believe that it's real comfortable and real arrogant and cocky for humans to go. Jesus, all that stuff's old and it's, say all this, that we need a new something. I don't believe that. I don't believe the old something's run its course. I think we're in the process of maybe that happening now, seems like it. I believe that Christianity is the most subjective religion on the planet. Yeah, yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't think we need anything new. I think what we need to do is actually live the old. We already have all the answers that we need. The 10 commandments gives you everything that you need to do. And if it's too much for you, if it's too much to read or if it's too much to comprehend, the golden rule is suffice. Do unto others, treat other people the way you want to. You just do that.  We don't need anything new. We don't need to progress. We need to actually follow the law that's already been given to us. You know, we don't need anything to come about that we don't already have.  And we just don't do it. We want something new and progressive. And that's funny you said the 10 commandments because that's the ultimate foot in your mind because those rules are like straightforward. There's no like aviation. None, none. Yeah, okay. You can't pick the ones you like. I mean, if we just stop doing the 10, you know, I think there's three of them just say, I'm God, don't flex. You take those ones out and the other ones don't covet. Don't, you know, don't bone your neighbor's wife. Don't do all these things that we're not supposed to do anyway. Shit that we do when we make you in my world.  These are the rules. This is the law. Yeah, I think what Leo's saying, I can kind of take a piece of it where the most simple harsh realities are things we got to accept, like we're gonna die one day.  The adapt or die type of thing. But then like individually, you find a role model who's living the type of life that you wanna do or a few and then you tailor your own lifestyle. And then once you figure it out a little bit, you kind of shape the community, the way that you want it to become with your influence that you built from your learning skills, from your role model and put it in work. It's kind of how I see it. So the world should be your experiment? Yeah, in a way. But then again, like that's like your personal journey. But like if you actually want the world to change, don't expect someone else to fix it in the, like when you go to the ballot box. Oh no. Actually just do things. Yeah. In your own world. That's the crazy, I think that's beautiful.  No, go outside and do something where you're at. Change your world. Like change the world where you live at right now. And if you do that, if we all took those little 10 things, even if you just pick the ones we liked and just really focused on those ones and went out there and tried to change our world where we actually live, to be the world that we want in the States. You start moving that way and projecting that way. Then other people go, you know what I like that? And that's the way the whole thing would go. But the guy asked about the future religion. What these kids are doing in entertaining this shit, the whole new world order and all of that stuff, the one world government, the one world control system. I don't know how people look at that and go, man, your conspiracy theorist. That's not a conspiracy.   Not only are they doing it, you youngsters like this one here, Leo here, is asking about this. I don't wanna be around when that thing comes about. I'm gonna be dead.  I'm not doing it. I'm not doing the dot. I'm not doing the scan.  And it's fun and it's cool.   You guys are falling apart and can finally get your due and now it's the end of the world. And I could look at that and go, you're right, that is a little arrogant. But this is the whole planet now. We got the whole planet getting locked down. You know, the clothes and farms.  What do people think this is it? What do you think this is, Mr. Leo?   Cool, man, sweet.  We gotta get some new shit and maybe start to worry about your soul in the world you're living in that you're ushering in because it's cool and awesome and progressive.  It's biblical. And you don't have to be a Christian to say, oh, that's right. It's biblical. Why? Because they wrote about it.  It's never happened before. This is real. This is real. And what comes out of this, none of us wanna be here.   If you don't tell the line, I ain't gonna be here.  I'm not staying around for that. Well, the globalists want, what was it, 90% of the population dead by 2030? Yep. And I hope they took that shot, they're dying now. I'm gonna do a counter to that a little bit. I don't think this new world order thing, I don't think it's new. I think it's just people in power because like, that's be real. If you have power, you're not gonna give it up. You're gonna tighten it. It's just simple, you get more leverage over time. That's just simple side of it. And the reality is the masses are gonna be the buffalo herded off the cliff in a way. Now, if you just have awareness, know what's within your capabilities. You can maybe sideswipe it and like build your network if you're in your communities. Let's say that you wanna eat meat still. You might have to know that farmer or that rancher in your community. So you can make a deal with them. Like, hey, I'll do some work for you. And you just give me maybe a rib roast or something like that in return. And that way. So instead of being on that social credit system where you lose on that digital currency, it's untracked in that case. So just kind of finding ways to work around the system where like they're gonna try to lock you in but there's ways that you can still maneuver. But what happens when there's no more farmers? What happens? Well, if there's no more farmers, then I guess like- See, that's where- That would be outside of my realm of control. So it's just kind of stuff I would have to do. So what am I gonna do about it? How does it affect my management in there? And Leo, I was wondering if he's a neurologist because I see he has an EEG machine on. It looks like, is that a curiosity? Hmm. Well, yeah, aren't they going after the farmers in what was like- Yes. The Netherlands or something like that? Yes, man, they're trying to get rid of, I think, more than half of the farms in the Netherlands.  There's too much nitrogen in the air. Like what the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't know. I just see that kind of stuff. It's something to be aware of, but I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna like hyper focus on it.  No, you absolutely can't.  That's why I'm out here in the boonies with a deer. I'm out here, like we moved out of Dallas, Fort Worth area.  And like that's the same way I look at it now.  All I can do is all I can do. There's nothing I can do outside of what I can do. And if and when the walls close in, that's where I'm at as a man. If the walls close in on me to where like they come to take my shit, that's the end of my story. That's the end of my story. My story ends there.   We've got history to refer to. And everything that's outside of my control is outside of my control until it's within my control.  Like for me, I look at it like, I'm gonna do exactly the same thing that you said. I'm gonna do what I can do, try to mitigate everything as much as possible.  You know what I mean? You got business decisions to make. There's something you said though, if and when, because I think a lot of people that are, we'll say so-called creppers and people are living off grid literally want this to happen. So they moved right. I mean, there's a lot of people that want, they want to be proved right.  Yeah, I would like guns to talk about this because we talked about this before where the prepper community switched from like being able to survive a disaster or collapse or infrastructure issues to I'm gonna live and you're gonna die type of bragging in pride. Like I think guns has a good perspective on that one. If you want to share it. Well, I mean, for well over a decade, there was all these zombie television shows talking about, oh, I could survive the zombie apocalypse and now we're here and you got guys, most of the guys that were talking about, oh, I could survive it and now they're pointing fingers going, how do we get here? What do I do? You know, you lived in a comic book fantasy and you enabled everything that was going on by participating in the machine system and now the system's here. It's knocking at the door, you know? And this is just where we are, you know? The years upon years of desensitization and allowing mechanisms to take over control and now they're flooding it more than ever. You know, movies and TV and look over here, I mean, the distractions are just everywhere. It's ridiculous. They want to sell you more and more distractions and it's crumbling. It's just absolutely crumbling.  I mean, a lot of us say that everybody's guilty of saying they. Like, when we say they, who are we talking about? I'm curious what everybody thinks. To me, they is just evil, period. That's just, it's just an evil force. It's just the devil Satan, whoever you want to call it. When I hear somebody say they, that's what I think. So I'm curious what everybody on the panel has to say about when we say they are coming for us. They want a new world order. I agree with what you're saying. I think it's, we're not battling humans, but humans are, humans are these spirits, chess pieces.  These people are just people, but what moves them to do what they do is, you can call it whatever you want to, it's evil. It's darkness. We're trying to do away with humans. Whatever they are, it's not people. You know what I mean? Like where we're going is getting rid of people.  Once you deteriorate to that position, like these people's shit's rotted off, you ain't walking no more.  You're not moving once your bone after, I mean, it's rots away, but that's not what we're gonna see.  What's the difference?  Because in Nazino, they ate each other.  So what they is, it's not humans. It's not humans, and what they are supposed to is to move like zombies.  Well, what you spoke of earlier, it's when people in power and control all they want is more power and control, you know? And they'll do anything to get it at any cost. And that's the scary part, you know? What was that us saying? Absolute power corrupts absolutely? Yep. Now Deacon, I have a counter to that claim that people say. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, but it's also cleansed absolutely. That's true. If there's a castle to storm and you know where it is, you can cleanse that absolute corruption. Now we're in a position where we don't know what castle to storm. That's why I'm saying, that's why you're saying they.  And how you adjust is up to you. How you adjust is up to you. That's true. It's like the complaint with certain entertainment and stuff like that. Now I watched one content creator, same as Eric July, they donated $3 million in the start of this content. I went back and bought it. I even threw $10 in there, you know? That was, wow. Yeah, so we're in that time period now where we have the room. Did he have any money back? I think he did. I think something got worked out. I got to look more into it. There was a huge controversy with that. How they tried to screw him out of some of it. You know, so that was pretty wild. But the fact that he got that to that level is amazing, especially who he's contending with, with these corrupted IPs like DC and Marvel. Now, although this has been a rise of a lot more content creators actually creating their own content, you know, at the same time, which is one of the biggest things now. So I can complain about it all day, but if I'm making my own music that I like to listen to or that other people would enjoy, or if I'm drawing a comic book, that's the turn that needs to be made these days. You got to come up with that change. Yeah, we got to get a parallel society going for sure. Yeah. And that's the minimum we can do is try to get what we want built on the side of this bullshit. And let it rock from within in, man. It's already on its trajectory right now.  I'm tired of being yelled and screeched at, but I'm watching something. I'm told that I'm bad or evil.  Or you depicted that way in a movie. It's getting annoying. Yeah. Really, I find it really funny. We're like, really, I'm the oppressor. Great, I'd rather be the oppressor than the one who's being oppressed. In their imaginary oppression, or what they do is they steal other people's hardships from the past and try to identify with them, which is insane.  I'm gonna play this clip. I played it at the beginning, if anybody didn't see it. This is one of the clips from Sir Yiddish's channel. I played this at the beginning. So this, I don't know if you saw this deacon or guns or watcher, but let me play this real quick. The assumption that the best protein comes from corpses is a racist belief, as it erases and replaces indigenous African, Asian, Mesoamerican, cultural food practices. Meat eating is also one of the ways gender-based structures of oppression are perpetuated. Men in the West are taunted to renew their man card by eating meat, because that's what real men do.  What? What? That's enough internet for me today. I am going to wash myself with holy water. Yeah, I've seen that clip. That was insane. You listen to that lady, that is they, right there. That is they. Like, is she really? Well, here's the thing, though, is she really there, or is they just kind of just channeling through her, in a way? Yeah, yeah, holy both. Yeah, she's a channel for that, basically. Yeah, kind of thing. And another thing, like, it's just, you got to think critically of this kind of thing. And another thing, did Yidis, Yidis told me he was going to email you. Did he reach out to you? He's going to. I jumped out of stream the other night, yep. Perfect. Appreciate it. Where was that lady from? That was in America, was it? I don't know where that came from. I know somebody else was talking about that.  Yeah, I'm just going to tell someone, I like to eat meat because it tastes good and it's nutritious. Yeah. That's why I like to eat meat.  Yeah, I mean, eating meat is racist now. I saw another. Another. Yeah, and did you catch it? Did you catch the other part of it, where she said like criticizing a culture that historically is cannibalism is like racist against them? What? Yeah, all those people that she named, they all ate meat and they all chopped people's heads off and threw them down temples. Yeah, yeah, but like, it reminds me of, what was it? There was a King of the Hill episode on it where Bobby Hill gets to look at John Redcorn's tribe and there was a history of cannibalism in it. And then he was saying like, Bobby Hill was going like, you're culturally insensitive. Eating, they ate human flesh and criticizing cannibalism was criticizing their culture kind of thing. Man, we're really there though. That's our reality now. That's our reality that men can have periods and babies. Oh my god.   They'll take your racist money though. Oh yeah. When you see our vice president say, my pronouns are she, her, whatever. I am wearing a blue suit and this is, I can't stand that. This is just, it's so beyond what we ever thought we would be to see that.   She was our vice president. Yeah.  You can say that again. The main thing, I'm from California. So I had her as a, like a DA and a senator. She threw so many people in prison and laughed about it on the air before. And she was involved in actually some of the Manisphere drama as well about the, about the mosque and one of our local trolls. She used that to boost her campaign for Senate. It was kind of interesting. Held the guy as a scapegoat and called, accused him of something and even like went up to him, hey, you accept the plea deal, we'll let you go. But to show that they were against racism. What? God. Yeah. You know the case I'm talking about. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. She was heavily involved because there was an election year for her. Wow. I forgot about that part of it. I knew it. I knew the person who that was that to deal with. But yo, she used that to literally like strap you the rocket strap her to the. Yeah. And don't forget the Willie Brown business. Oh God. Down town, Willie Brown. Down town, Willie Brown. Yeah. I mean there's a put on in the first place. There's a lot of conspiracies. I know that pretty much everybody is an agent on this panel right now, I believe. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoever said that, the guy making the claims actually makes me sound very cool. He says I'm an MI6 trained men in black agent. That's right. And I'd like to. All hail the new world order. All hail the new world order. Absolutely. A real short clip here just proving my point. And we do like the guy, bro. We're going to play this real quick.     This guy, I think Tony Bruno might actually be Satan himself. I'd have to get a look at his eyes.  Same thing with Uncle Gunn. He's definitely on the payroll as well. So. He totally just he totally. He stereotyped you because you have the Van Dyke thing. And that's what. He hasn't had in the comments. And whose payroll are y'all on now? I need to get some of that. How do I get on the payroll? You have to worship the devil, Paul. You've got to send us a meeting, you know?  And the funniest part is the funniest part is that I actually used to be on the payroll and I actually used to be like work for the devil. That's funny part. Oh, yeah.  He's right there. Well, I got something just for Gunn's real quick. That was sus. And that dude is awesome. Double kill, triple kill, kill tacky. But you know, you know, one thing helped me, though, too. One thing I was thinking about it, I ended up selling my Xbox, literally, in all my games. Yes, good job. I literally went and said, you know what? I need, I need concentration because this is way too much. And I could tell that I was starting to, I mean, it's anyone you could do what you want. Me, for me personally, once I got rid of it, I noticed how much more time I had today, more things I got done. Well, the thing about video games is, I mean, it's probably been, I'm gonna say, probably close to 10 years since we've had an Xbox, I've had an Xbox or PlayStation in my house, probably, yeah, probably seven, eight years. And anybody that plays video games knows that three, four hours can go by just like that. Just like that. Incredible.   Just a little knob, but you could get along Pong all day though. You could. You could play Pong Space Invaders all day. I got an example of this though. I really liked the game Bloodborne on PS4. That is a good game. And I can map out every step of Central Yarnham, but I didn't, I can't map out every step of my own city, that's all I could say. I used to get into the, I used to like the driving games, the rally games. Oh, yeah. I could play those literally for like hours before I realized, say I started at like eight o'clock before I realized that it was already midnight and I could keep going. Like you just, it's a, it's addicting is what it is. So, you know, it really, really is, even like you're playing any of the football games or any of them. So it, you know, if, when you look at people, a lot of times they're in a trance when they're on a video game. I think it, where is it in Japan or China where they've actually have like video, I guess not arcades, but where they come in. The cafes. The cafes and there's actually people that People die there. Why? They die there. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. They, they don't eat. They don't drink. They die. Yeah. And I think some of them, they said their, their eyes would stay open too, is one of the things that I saw. Like they wouldn't, they wouldn't blink. And they, The eyes dried out. Yeah. Yeah. And another thing I noticed about video games is that like the newer one, they made them so much grindier now where it's like almost like as much work as a job, but you don't get paid. And that just, I'm like, if I'm going to go through that much trouble, I better be getting paid. Now that can do since you got to pay the video game now. That's, that's where it's turned over. You have to buy into it more and more with those micro transactions. Yeah. Like I'll see a guy who just like, he'll spend hours and hours doing the same mission just to get like a special piece of armor. And I'm just thinking like, dude, you're, that's like job right there. Like I, I better be getting paid. It was funny. My brother almost tried to disown me when he found out. He said, oh, that's the worst thing you can do. I'm like, bro, I just can't, I got to get it back on my bike. I got to start doing other things because this is not working, you know, for me right now at all. I remember playing Grand Theft Auto when it first came out. Oh man. That's a fun one. Are we talking about the one that was top view? We can look down. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I'm going to say it might be second generation. So, but yeah.  Oh, Grand Theft Auto 3, brutal. There's some fun games out there for sure, but you lose the time for sure. Definitely lose the time. Yeah, it was, I just, you know, I've had probably, I don't know, maybe at the most like two years, but I would find myself even, and I didn't do it often, but when I did it was like, wow, you get stuck on that solid three to five hours. And if you go, I'll also interject with being a younger guy. A lot of the social interaction came with the video games growing up because everyone was online.  That was the social interaction for a lot of young men. And it probably is worse now. I was kind of more in the wild west of Xbox Live where everyone was the N word on Xbox. Oh yeah. That kind of thing. But now it's a bit more tame, but still the same level of social interaction. So it's almost like you get sucked in because that's the way you kind of socialize. They're like, y'all pay you for your flight ticket, man. I'll pay for you to fly out. Like, geez. Yeah, there's great clips there. Oh yeah. Get on the sticks, man. Get on the sticks.   You breathe the wrong way.  Jesus. Wow. And of course I was like 12 or 13. So I had the high pitch voice just getting roasted. But it built character at least. Hey, Keegan, are you the dude that called in like the first time that I was on Tony's deal here and you were talking about procrastinating and dealing with your guitar? Yes.  You've done all of that since then. Yep. Wow. Wow. I remember your voice. I was listening to your voice. I'm like, he sounds like that dude that was talking about the guitar. That's impressive, dude. Oh yeah. That's very impressive. We got our second band practice tomorrow. We already got gigs lined up in October. It's going to be wild. That's badass, dude. Yeah.  You got there and that's good. I'm proud of you, bro. I appreciate that. That's really cool. Yeah, it's nice to see a success story, in other words, when you talked about that. And I believe that was the first time we had Paul on. Yeah, I think that was the very first time because I remember him asking, that was right, who went long that time. It was toward the end and he asked about that and I was like, shit, just go do it. Just start just do it. So it sounds like you got off the pot and started getting after it. That's good, man. One thing I would say that helped, one thing that always had a crippling thing about me was I always had to look for permission to do things. And the minute I stopped looking for permission to do things, it was a process. What do you mean permission? What do you mean permission from who? Like I grew up in that dogmatic Christian life where I had to be about the permission to do live my life nearly. I went to church all the time. He had that permission from the pastor just to live your life. I'll never forget that. That was the most insane I've ever dealt with. Last church I dealt with before I just broke away from it. Which denomination was it? They were non-denominational, of course, but they believed in Jesus. But they believed in running your life. Oh yeah. You gotta, as you say up there, I gotta receive the seed from your hand and everything will be expanding your life. I'm like, I'm busy going broke and you're doing really well. What the heck? Yeah, oh yeah. That's a good one. I'm busy going broke. Literally. I'm busy wasting my time at church doing all this stuff. There was a point where I can't run. I do thank them. I stayed at the church. But it was work. When I lived in that church, I had to clean the church. It was non-stop. So yeah, thank God I'm done with that.  Exactly. What are you gonna do? That's funny.  I'm like, yeah, was it?  Yeah, exactly. It gets even worse. Like, I'll go do something and I'll get a phone call. Well, why do you call me?  I was like, what? It was, that was sus. That is correct. Especially when you got a dude asking you why you call me? You know, what are you doing?  I need you here all the time. You know, people going on vacation. I'm not going on vacation. What does this look like? It was a while, that was a, one day I'll get down on that story. It was a crazy story. But yeah, I had a problem like living life, you know, on my own terms. And that was a tough one for me, especially in my 30s. That was, you know, it was a breakaway. I got out of church and I was trying to figure out life for myself. Like, what do I do with me? Yeah, but the thing was, is that, you know, when somebody hears you say I left the church, that doesn't mean you left Christianity. It just means you left the church. Yeah. Oh, that format or environment. The church is not what it used to be. That's for sure. No, it's far from that. And it's, I ain't coming back. There's a lot of things that we used to be that's not coming back. America might be one of those things we used to be that might not come back. But that's what I'm trying to do. I think that's what all of us are trying to do and trying to restore manhood again. Because if men don't come back, none of this shit's coming back. The church won't come back. Our country won't come back. Children won't come back. Women won't come back. Nothing will come back to what we, the good old days. The shit's all gone unless men come back. Oh, absolutely.  I'm like, what? It was, it was wild. You see a whole truckload of children like where's the fathers? Well, they're trying to get that, they're trying to get that, the happy meal money from you. Hey, not even that. Yeah, they see, you know, the brothers driving this drug and they sitting there trying to sell me wholesale. I'm like, now I'm good. Literally, literally try to bribe me to stay. Oh, we got women in the church. I'm like, whoa, I'm trying to get myself right, dude. I'm not, no, no, no, no. Trying to get my soul right. You're always trying to sell me a mother in a truckload of kids. That ain't gonna work. Get some wild stuff now. You hit that, you hit that self reflection that. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you've got to, you know?  You know, and all of us were saying, you know, hey, you can do it. You know, you can do it, David. You know, because a lot of the stuff that you were going through and are still going through, you know, a lot of us had been there before and saying, hey, you know, I did this or, you know, just that encouragement from other men saying, hey, you can do it. You know, you want these things? You can do it, you know?  It's an amazing transformation which you've gone through. And I like- Yeah, you've also grown into your own where you don't let people disrespect you anymore. Oh yeah. Like that was a common thing.  I'm going to be winning soon. I'm working on winning. So that's something I appreciate that you're doing. Exactly. Exactly. That's the big thing that I tell a lot of guys, I've been saying on a lot of streams lately is, you know, if you don't like where you are in life, look at the feet that brought you there. If you don't like the life that you've built, look at the hands that built it, you know? That's- It's so easy. That's so easy, but it seems to be so hard for people to understand that. It is not hard to change your life. It's not hard to change.   And that's as simple, it's the simplest message and it's shocking how many young men, I say young, 52, so young is a lot of dudes. They just need to hear that.  Just like the way you got here, all you got to do is pay attention to what you're doing. What do you want to do? Now, do the things that'll get you to that point. It's that simple, but no one tells them. It's so crazy.  I want to add another thing. Like someone trying to control you will tell you that nothing's your fault. Cause then- Oh yeah. Cause if you feel like you're in a hole and you had no responsibility in it, you didn't dig yourself in there, you won't know how to climb out. Simple as that. That's cold 101. They will keep you stuck in there.  It's the women. It's your boss. It's those people.  You don't go to work on time. You don't, none of the things that are true. It's just, you know what? This person's weak. They need to hear this message. Let me keep them in that hole. It's not your fault. You need something to drink in there? That's the way it rolls. But once you realize that that person, it is almost always your fault.  So that if somebody does something to you, like physically to you, not cheated on you, that's not doing something to you at all. Cause if you didn't know about it, you wouldn't have the feelings.  So that concept of, so all this, this thing that happened to me, that didn't happen to you.   She did something to him. You didn't like it.    It's what you think about what they chose to do. When you look at life, that's a reality. You don't have to accept it, but that's the truth. You don't own anyone. You don't own yourself.  So you get to go through your experiences if somebody doesn't physically do it to you. What did they actually do?  The only weight that is on me is the weight of me holding it.  That's the crazy part about dealing with the relationships.  If she took half your money in a divorce, that's something to you. She did something to you.  She just severed your little agreement.  If you loved her, you'd be broken.  So what did she actually do? And once you get that, you're responsible for everything that happens to you almost. You know what I'm saying?  It takes away a lot of the responsibility for other people to fix you, but it also gives you all the power to turn it around in an instant. It's a beautiful thing, man. Yeah, well, one thing you said earlier, you said change is easy, but I think the difficulty more is maintenance because a lot of people that are in holes, they know it's their fault. So let's say you're an alcoholic. You know that you're drinking yourself to death, but a lot of times they don't have the eye on the prize, what they're building towards, and the work it takes to get out of that hole often is the pros of getting out of the hole don't outweigh the cons of the pain it takes to climb out of this. So what are some motivation techniques like kind of keeping the eye on the prize for someone trying to make a change in their life? You have to see that's the key. When you know you're an alcoholic, it's a perfect deal. Why are you drinking? That's the whole thing, man.  Because I drink, Roger that. Why are you drinking? What are you escaping from? What are you running from? You know what I mean?  Usually early makings, their early pit of their onion is so broken and screwed up. And they end up drinking. And that drinking is an escape. It's a drug and it's an escape. Now they can say, oh my God, I gotta quit drinking. And they can quit drinking for a while, but you didn't pull the root out.  Everything that people do, sex, whatever it is there's a reason that you do it. The why that you do it is the motive. That's the huge. Just like when you wanna do something positive, why do you want to do that?  So to keep your eye on the prize, I think it's simple. You have to keep your eye on what the damage is that you're doing to yourself. That can never, that to me, it can never leave the front of your brain. Whatever your, whatever your thing is, I mean, I could call it a vice, but I don't know if that's a proper term, whatever that thing is that you're trying to change, it existed for a reason.   It sucked, but I kept going through these relationships with these different women that were the same woman.  I couldn't let them go. It was almost, it was weird. It was almost like an addiction. An addiction might not even be I'm gonna say good enough word. It was an obsession.   I just don't, but I did. And when I did, I had no, there was nothing I could do about it until I finally broke. And when I went through the last shit, I had to figure out why this kept happening. I figured out that they were all the same person. They just changed the mass that they wore. But I was the common denominator. So I had to figure out what the fuck, why do I keep bringing these demons into my life and begging them to tear my soul out? And I realized that I was trying to fix my mother. My mom used to make us feel that same way will make me. I don't know how my brother or sister felt. But I felt the same way, waiting for my mom to come home from her drinking and whoring vengeance that she went on when I was a kid. I was the oldest of four kids. So I was watching my brother and sister while she was gone for a whole weekend.  And that's all you want is for her to come home.  And you want that to go away.  And seeing that shit, it did something to me. And I thought growing up, that it made me hard and callous. It made me very weak.   These bitches, I'm a good girl. And I would go back and forth.  I didn't know what it was and it was me. I was trying to fix my mother in dealing with these women.  And once I got that, once I understood why, there was no keeping an eye on the prize.  I addressed that. I did whatever I needed to do to heal from that. That's when I made my program.  I immersed myself in correcting and trying to re-parent that kid that was waiting for his mother. And I went back and I basically tried to change the past. And in doing that and dealing with that broken kid, it changed the way I thought today as a man when I went through that process.  Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm gonna follow up on that. It sounds like that's a pretty late stage of healing for someone to have that self-awareness that will kind of prevent them from falling back in the pit. I'm talking about someone who is in the shit and maybe needs something to run away from and something to run towards the goal. And then along that, and that will kind of motivate them to figure out, okay, like you said, you figured out, hey, I'm the common denominator, all these women are psychos. What am I doing that's wrong? So that's the kind of area that I think is the challenge. Well, I think if you're in the shit, that's simple. All you have to do is you identify where you wanna be.  Most of them probably don't even come close to making it because you realize how much you lie.  You don't even need to build an onion to figure out why you're doing it. You don't wanna drink it anymore. You wanna get in better shape.  Maybe you don't wanna lift weights. Maybe you just, you're out of shape complete. You need to run or walk, whatever it is. Minimal activity. You replace the negative activity with the one that you wanna do. And you just simply start taking steps to get to the place you wanna be. And if you look where you wanna go, it's like driving a car. If you're in a car wreck, you don't look where you don't wanna crash. You know what I mean?  You don't look at the wreck that's going on next to you. You look where you wanna go. Because you're gonna steer where your eyes go. That's the same way about life. Wherever your focus is, if you're focused on getting that drink, getting that girl, getting that drug, getting that porn, whatever. If it's just to get there, then, and that's what you look at, it's like the good wolf and the bad wolf. You know you got a bad wolf, created good wolf. Which one are you gonna feed? And which one are you gonna feed? And that comes down just to discipline. And you gotta have self-discipline. That's the biggest thing.  It'll still be hard, but it's easy. Because it doesn't matter how you feel or any of that shit, this is what has to be done. And you just do it. You just do it. Your feelings don't get a vote. They don't get to talk. It's just this, this is what I don't wanna do. This is what I do wanna do. And this is the wolf that I feed. Yeah, that's kind of what I was kind of like leaning more towards getting the answer from you on. Because I think that's a common thing along a lot of spiritual people and religions or whatever. Whether if you're in the occult world, they'll make a sigil that keeps their mind on what they're trying to achieve. If you're a Christian or a Buddhist, you pray. So that idea of what you wanna build towards is always in your mind. And you're subconsciously thinking of like, what steps do I need to take to get there? Well, also thinking like, where do I not wanna be? What steps do I need to do to avoid that? Right. Yep, that's it. And it's that simple and that hard at the same time. Because that shit's not easy to do. It's easy to put it on paper and go, yeah, that's what I need to do. But when you make it a disciplinary practice for a while, it sucks, man. It's hard. It's hard until it becomes easy and then it becomes natural. Yeah, and sometimes it like, sometimes like there's a little pride they have to get through because some people might think it's corny, like laying out what you wanna do or saying it out there.  My wife used to tell me all the time, you need to put a imagination board up and put a picture of what you are. I'm like, man, you're crazy.  I know what I want, but there's power to it. It's corny, it feels, that's very true. I see that with like the athletes and the martial artists that they'll sit and meditate and like yell out, I am a champion. I am an athlete, I'm a scholar. I think it looks corny, but it keeps their mind on the task. But you know what, I think this, man, I think when you write something down, I was telling one of the guys that trains with us, he's going, we're all going through this program together. So we're in the first couple of days of laying out our shit, trying to figure out where we're lying to ourselves. And that's the thing, you know, he thought he was ready to go. He got the book, he read it real quick and he was like, man, what day are you on?   You're on day one.   He's like, I don't want it. I don't really like doing it. I said, I hate doing it. I hate doing it, write it in the book. If the book is empty for this, it's a workbook.  But this is the deal.  You can think it and that's one thing.  You wrote it down and said, this is the thing that I want. This is the thing I'm gonna do. Now there's proof.    It changes it from it being a thought. Now here's the other thing. When you write it down and tell someone, this is what I'm gonna do. That's corny too.  You're not gonna do that.  So that changed it too, because not only did you give it power from your thoughts to paper, now you got an audience standing there looking at you going, go bitch, let's see what you do.  Now you gave it power and you gave it legs and people are watching you. Gonna make it move or not. A lot of people are afraid to do any of that because now you're accountable.    There's, you might be scared of it. There might be a little fear in there. Yeah, I say that because like I kind of dug into the, like getting things on like your mind and like saying things that you wanna achieve in like a present tense as if you achieved them. So you're like, I gotta hold myself accountable. I gotta make it happen. But thinking about it that way kind of just feels corny at first, but you just gotta get your, push your pride aside, I guess. And do it. It's just ego, it's ego. You know what I mean? Like you've seen so many self-helping. Hey, you know what?  It sounds corny, but a lot of successful people say to do it and it's got, you know what I mean? Like a lot of successful people talk about doing that. Yeah, and I think it's in every culture too, that kind of thing. It's in Christianity through prayer. It's in all the Abrahamic religions through prayer. It's in the occult and the, that kind of stuff through sigils and the chaos quote unquote stuff that they do. It's in probably in some tribal groups. You see it common with martial arts. So I think it's universal law. Yeah. I think it's universal law that humans have struggled to articulate. How this is how you, this is how you've been universal law in your, in your benefit. You say this and then you do this. And if you march in that direction, the universe will open the doors. That seems to make sense. But you're also looking, you're also looking for that. That's another piece of it. You're looking for it and you're looking for the wolf that you're feeding. You know what I mean? You're not looking to feed the bad wolf. You're trying to feed the one that you want to protect you, the good wolf. And so when you do that, when you lay it out, you identify it and you put down steps. You are marching towards a goal. You're, you are going in a direction. You've got a target. You're not scattered all over the place.   You know what I mean? Come from, even where deep was coming from, become insecure, come from being insecure and unsure to two bands and concerts and all.  There's a flip of a switch. It was a flip of a narrative and identified target and then a march toward it. Shit, pretty simple. I've got, I've got, I know that's Muhammad just jumped on. Muhammad, good to have you here. I've got- Likewise everybody. I just noticed when I saw Muhammad, I'm going to put up a shield and it's his name is Chris. Chris, I'd always appreciate if you had a camera on, just makes it easier for the whole stream. Chris, do you have a camera? I see it backstage right now. I don't know if you got a question or something, but I'm going to put up a shield real quick and I'm going to bring you on. So if you got a question for Paul or anybody, Chris. Hey, can you guys share me? Yep, we can. Hey, so I was listening earlier and that one individual had called in and they were talking about wanting to change their gender. And I think I heard someone laughing in the background and I'm just confused as to why that would be funny. I had no idea what you were talking about. It was the guy who trolled earlier.  Imagine waiting all that time to do that. Yeah. He's kind of reminding me of the, if you watched 22 Jump Street, Rob Rickles' character.  And the funny thing is, is that he's been back there for probably 30 minutes. Yeah, and he said, what's up? He said, what's up back when I asked him, what's up? Yeah, so. He stayed online just to do that. Yeah.  Whether he's a virgin or not, he's at least a super fan. That's Tony Trolls. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't know if it's on my channel or 21 or my other channel. Yeah, dude. What do you say?  You don't think that's hilarious? Somebody wanted to change their gender? How is that not funny? Yeah, I guess it was the other troll we had. Maybe it was the same one who knows. Anyways, yeah, let's start wrapping it up. I want to go to Mohammed first real quick because he's new here. But Mohammed, you got any words for us tonight? No, no, thank you very much for having me. I joined in quite late. So I don't know what was the context, but happy to be here amongst the company of all the good folks. So thank you for having me, guys. It's always great to be among friends and good people. Yeah. We always enjoy having you. Maybe next time just come on a little earlier. Oh yeah, man, I was... Oh, you're on the other side of the world. He's a backstage addict.  I'm just kidding. No, I was doing the runs for work and stuff, man. It was just... I was trying to get here and I just couldn't get here in time. Oh, we did it.  Metron, Deakin, Uncle Gunn's, Vital Message, anybody... I think I've spoken enough tonight. Ha, ha, ha! No. Well, you're always a great host, man, and you're a great host. Well, yeah, I felt like to... I usually interview people on the moment. I usually ask a question, listen, but tonight I decide to kind of inject some of my philosophy and ask some questions. I appreciate Tony and 21 for putting my channel link in the description of this video. And keep checking out Tony. Keep checking out these Thursday night streams or Sunday night streams whenever he has him. He's a great host, great listener, brings on some good people, and I'm sure he's got a lot of great things in the works. And Paul, great chatting with you. It's good to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Likewise. I like talking to you, man. This is a good space. I like the people that are in this space. Yeah, you're welcome on my channel as well. Good stuff, man. Absolutely. I think the Vital Message should definitely have the war room on there for sure one evening. Oh, man. Hey, the one thing I wanna say, I'm gonna make a video about this and make it be known.   And I had a lot of people get me up and say, hey man, every time I look for your channel, all I find is this dude Andrew Tate's stuff. Well, my gym is called the Gladiator Farm. And the book that I wrote was basically under the Gladiator Farm was written for veterans. And so I'm gonna probably end up changing my channel to the Gladiator Farm.  You know what I mean? If people are finding his instead of mine, most likely need to fix that. But I'll put a marker out before we do that. There was a comment that I think somebody when probably it was on 21 Studios, when I put this stream up, he said, well, where's Tate tonight? So yeah. Yeah, one of the guys that came from Eldy, it's subscribed like last week. Pretty cool sounding timid little kid. He's like, he suggested that. He's like, you should change your channel to the Gladiator Farm. That sounds, he probably doesn't even know what that means. Yeah. Is your brand is way different from Andrew's brand? Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's definitely different.  We are definitely different. Exactly. I don't want people, I don't want people conflating the two. I'm sure he doesn't either. So I'm probably gonna fix that for both of us. Anybody else on the panel before we go? Hey, Paul, do you think that Andrew can beat Jake Paul? Hey, you know what? Nope, I don't.  Yeah.  I mean, Andrew can fight. Oh yeah.   I don't know different martial arts too. Yeah, he's a kick boxer. Yeah, versus a traditional boxer. You limit those weapons to two, it's different.   I want to kick you in the face. You're taking six of my weapons away. When you look at those two dudes fighting, Jake Paul is a boxer and the kids, the kids obsessed with being a boxer.   His branding is focused on the boxing while Andrew's focused on the money building. The Goddies and money and bitches. Yeah. I think Jake Paul would knock Andrew Tate out. I think they both would make a lot of money. They would make a lot, maybe, because I don't know if they'd make a lot of money. I think people are tired of watching Jake Paul's fights. They canceled the Rockman fight.  They didn't sell them tickets. Yeah. Also like the earlier Jake Paul fights, they looked kind of staged like a guy took a dive for cash. Maybe. Yeah. Well, that's what happens when you fight dudes that don't know how to fight at all. Yeah.  Then the basketball player, it's a basketball player. I think they got knocked out, but the former MMA guy, what was it, Ben? Ben Erskine. Ben Erskine? Ben Erskine? No, he can't box. No, he can't. He can not box. It looked like he kind of like did a breakfall and like barely got touched. If he didn't, he may have, which was brilliant on his side. Yeah. Because they both got paid. Yes. The difference is this though. The Jake Paul who fought Ben Erskine and the Jake Paul who knocked Tiber and Woody out are two different animals. Yeah. The Jake Paul dude. Yeah. I think he's skilled and strong. Like he has a wrestling background and then he has a boxing background.  Those kids. Yeah. Like I do. The Paul brothers could box. Yes. That's my job. My job is to build and identify athletes. I don't want to like those kids. I don't. But when I watch Jake Paul's, I watch his progression.   You let, I think he'll put him to sleep.  I would love to see them fight and go the whole distance. And then both of them, like the end of Rocky three, where they both overhand. I would love to see the fight getting like that. Both of them spamming both of them. Straight strikes man. Awesome. A little war. Both of them go to sleep with them. Last round. Let's, let's, let's hope that fight happens because it's very rare. I pay for a fight anymore. That one I would pay for. I would try to go to that fight. I would try to go to that fight just because who's in the fight.  Have Tate hook us all up. Yeah. He's got plenty of money. He's a corner man. We had the corner. We'll corner him and be cheering for Jake. Come on, Paul. I mean, come on, Tate. You'll take, you're going to have to take, you'll take, we're at the 10th round. You may have to take this dive, bro. Yeah. He's coming for you.  You know how to break fall, right?  Oh man. And I was going to say, I was going to say Logan Paul and wrestling. Good God. These like when I watched SummerSlam, this kid was wrestling like he was wrestling for 30 years in that business. I think they were both high school, like state competitors in Ohio. Like they were legit wrestling competitors. And that's a, that's a really applicable like art, like in just knowing how to fight wrestling. Yeah. Oh yeah. Look at Kurt Angle, man. Geez. Yeah. Yeah. Because like getting the pin like is so, it's so quick when they get the pins and now the, prevent you from getting them. Wait, are we talking real wrestling? Yeah. Real wrestling. Not WWE. I mean WWE, they still take abuse though. Yeah. I'm just starting like right when you get someone on their back, like that's pin and then the game's over. That kind of thing. Oh yeah.  I had to verify that because I was a wrestler in high school. Yeah. That shit's extremely hard, man. Those dudes are strong. Look at Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle. Good God. Especially Angle now.  Like his knees, you know, he's got a lot of issues right now.   Oh my God. Your knees. Your leg takedowns. God, German suplexes. Good God. So now we're talking fake wrestling, right? No, no. You can do a German suplex in real wrestling. Grohman Greco. You guys are going back and forth here.  I don't think you do a suplex in that. No. I don't know why somebody in real wrestling. Yeah. You just attack.  I prefer Japanese wrestling. So. Oh man. Strong style. Good God. No. Kudo. Oh, actually. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Samba too. It's pretty good. Yeah. At least like they give you leeway.  Speaking of speaking of Judo real quick, something I wanted to discuss on Tony's channel. We lost. We lost the Godfather. Yeah. Yeah. In Judo, you have to send somebody for 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. It was a 20 seconds or 30. Yeah. It's realistically, it's 20 seconds, which it really takes you like 30 seconds. Yeah. And they have to have you pass like half pin. You got to be on your back flat. Yeah. In fact, I think I showed you a video of me pinning somebody. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of different moves too. Yeah. It's a long time. That's the longest 20, 30 seconds of your life. Yeah. No. It's just like a three minute round of like, Randori is just exhausting, man. That's five minutes, three or five minute matches are incredibly long. A lot longer than, if you haven't done it, it is incredibly long. No, I did, I did four, four, three minute matches right in a row in Randori. I was dead when I was done those. Yeah. Well, when you have a clock there and you're looking at it and you look over and only like 45 seconds has gone. That's why you don't look at the clock, man. Yeah. Yeah. I just pay no attention to it. Exactly. Three to five minutes. We're literally feel like a half hour sometimes. In eternity. Yeah. Anyways, guys, I'm going to wrap it up. Anybody watching, especially from 21, my channel. Hey, come to the 21 convention, meet Paul, meet Paul from the war room, which will soon be the gladiator farm. But yeah, come in, come and meet guys in real life, man. That's what it's all about. These, these conversations are great online. But, you know, sometimes you got to get out in the real world and, and meet people, shake hands, have dinner, have lunch, have drinks, have a good time. That's what it's all about.  You know, I know pretty much everybody on this panel right here is doing things. This is, this is kind of like a pastime for me.  So you get to have these conversations and talk with different people. So, but Paul, I do appreciate you coming on tonight. Oh, he's a great time. And, probably we'll have you on one time before. I know we want to have a collab with Elliott, Elliott Hulse. So Elliott told me he wants to collab with us and we'll do that soon as soon as we can figure it out. So, I do have a couple of things planned. I do have actually spoke with who chat Jeremy Stafford and Jeremy is a, we'll just say he's in one of the larger police departments in California. And he is the handgun editor for guns and ammo magazine. I think I'm getting that right. So I had Jeremy on, I think it was over a year ago, but I talked to him tonight. He's going to come back on. Plus I have some other guests lined up. Hopefully, Sir Yedis coming on, which will be a fun one for sure. But yeah, always keeping things fresh. He told me he was going to email you. So he's going to be held accountable. Yeah, he will. So I think that'll be a fun one for sure. So, but again, Paul, I want to thank you for coming on. And if you guys want to hang backstage for a little bit. And if anybody else is in the chat, you want to come and chat with us backstage for a little bit, feel free to jump on.  We always got to play something out. And we'll end this stream. Thanks everybody for coming on and checking out my channel. And thanks from 21 Studios for sure. You guys take care. Have a good evening. I'll see you guys.