f that person exists and says games like hatred managed to keep them in an equilibrium and Games like hatred because he only played the game So it's a bit awkward to make this video. What if the point of hatred was what literature devil was talking about? What if it's to make fun of people who are obsessed with this sort of thing? Or that the final point of the game is this is not worth it This is not the way to behave and what if that helps people who do behave that way like what then?  What if it was made bad on purpose? I Wouldn't even call it a universal human trait. There's no way to channel A universal human trait. There's not many of those. I mean, yeah, I mean sure I mean sure there are some humans that are not quite right who never experience anger or rage sure But I would say that sadism is far more Far more rare than just rage Rage is typically just use like extreme anger It's just anger plus but I doubt there's a lot of sadists out there He also said that like there's no productive way to channel it and surely there would be right, you know Playing a sadistic game for example. Yeah, like playing this. Yeah That's not a way to like release it But I mean also like if you're in war or something like that and it's like a justified war or something then surely like rage and sadism and all that stuff like I just don't understand the distinction. He's making between Rage like you want to go like fuck someone's day up just because you're really mad at them And like you want to see them suffer like I don't really understand The distinction he's making exactly um deriving like a pleasure from from hurting them like irrelevant of how you were put into a position of anger, I suppose is is It does seem like he's saying uh rage is more of a Normal and cool emotion to feel meanwhile sadism is like wrong You shouldn't be feeling the idea that you want to be pleasureed from someone else's pain And therefore media exploring them needs to have like the same treatment when I would be like, I don't know This seems like these might be helpful Uh and niche right and and at the same time as that game we were describing earlier That's like 20 hours of simply torturing one person Not illegal. However, if say one of us was like that's my favorite game and I played all the time We'd all be like, okay All right. Yeah, so I guess would we would Well, my point is just like 15 he's a 20 If yeah, yeah, 15 hour torture would be okay, but that's fine. Yeah, my point would be that person probably, uh Maybe it is that game that's stopping them from doing something way worse. I don't know I hope the server stay up. Yep Breaking his own argument Because he's saying like he thinks Video games for people like for everyone first of all, but whatever He thinks that video games are an alternative to committing violence So but then he says oh, but no This other game is about sadism and while For everyone in the world video games are a release so that we don't do violent shit that we would We would be doing no matter what Sadism you can't possibly release that in a video game Like yeah, that's what I'm saying that what the fuck. Yeah. Oh, where are you? I'm sorry. Well, that's that's the conflict Like that's that's the point I mean that like there's no real distinction to me in like one you can channel into a video game and one you can't And and I'm guessing he's gonna try to account for that because that's it seems like a bit of a hole in the logic right now Sadism is not the same thing as anger not even close. I wouldn't even call it a universal human trait There's no way to channel sadism productively. It's simply about harm and the joy They don't agree. There's no way to channel it productively So here's what's interesting is that I was on the verge of bringing this thought up and sure enough I guess coming up now I was about to say that I think it's very easy for a there I think there's a thin line between sadism And our gratification for justice And I think that's how you channel sadism productively Um that I mean, it's obviously a shaky territory obviously But to say that there is no way to channel sadism in a productive way. I certainly don't agree I mean if you like if you have like dexter is obvious I I only I don't I've never seen the show. I just know the premise But he is like let's say you have a dexter character who is He is an actual sadist. He derives pleasure from suffering But he wants to channel that in a productive way So he only makes people who are really horrible terrible people suffer Like that seems to be at least in some way a productive Way of channeling their sadism. Yeah, whether or not you want to conclude It's unproductive in terms of like ill justice you'd be like, but there's some level of productivity there versus Uh doing it randomly Did you say um that it like there's a fine line between it and our desire for justice? Is that what you said? Well, like yeah, let's say you have um When someone goes out and does something this applies to targets So if you want to let you know, I I just literally didn't hear you I I'm not like trying to super characterize your argument like I did before All right.  I'd be like, whoa Yeah, because when we see the first guy get pushed over if you're if you are a sadist and you derive pleasure from that suffering Then you are just as pleased with that as you are the second guy moments later tripping himself the justice that this this desire for justice that's I don't want to say intrinsic, but it's certainly common in humans. We get a big, you know We get that karma catharsis when we see that other guy, you know getting his cosmic comeuppance Whereas that first guy who's just a victim of someone else's malicious malicious actions You know the sadist might get pleasure from that, but the justice part of us wouldn't Yeah, um, I like I think you could also Say that that's visible not just in violence, but like in doxing for example or in uh, like Cancel mobs and things like that. I think that's sort of a very similar thing Someone said justice is sadistic in nature in all cases. I definitely don't agree with that You can you can build systems for justice that are entirely Away from yeah about a thing crazy person because like the whole point of like Jailing people is not to like enjoy their suffering. It's to protect other people from them like that. Yeah It's just what they owe society that Like oh, it's not just jailing people like if you get defrauded Out of money and then you're made to pay back that money. That's justice and nobody goes to jail Like there's no sadism in that it's literally just hey Yeah, we have a concept of you know proving guilt and punishments that fit the crime and You know still having human rights while you're you know without the things of that nature Yeah, I think you're totally different. A lot of people will refer to it as your debt to society if you break society's laws Like yeah, it when someone says they've done their time that I assume they refer to like I have paid my debt Now I want to get back to you know, normalcy yeah Rather than people have taken their pleasure out of my punishment now It's like I don't I don't think I don't think that's what I'm referring to That's not what it is. Nobody even cares people don't pay attention Yeah, a lot of the time even when we talk about stuff like to debt the A death sentence that you give someone like if someone is found guilty of murder And so you have capital punishment done into them You would do so in a way that isn't sadistic like there are sadistic ways to kill people that I think that are far worse than Killing people in a you know a quick and painless way Um, I think that you know, even even regardless of what you think of a capital punishment Surely you could see how those two things are totally different And doing harm I usually don't like to make categorically dismissive statements like this But I think games that are exclusively about indulging in sadism do not have redeeming value indulging So like he needs to be already that's really loaded. Yeah I don't like to make categorical statements, but here's a really big category What do you think he's referring to? Like I like I guess the a very realistic or visceral portrayal of something So like the example we had I guess the 20 hour torture simulator like yeah, I something that is done for Seemingly that is done for no other purpose other than just to Act out torturing somebody Yeah And that's also a bold statement to make about a video game like his example is hatred and the game hadn't even come out Yeah, that's what I mean You really want to save this for something that you have full context over because there's quite a He's decided that it that it's nothing but indulgent in sadism, but it hasn't come out yet. He hasn't played it It's like oh, and not just that but that it but there's no chance it could be good It wasn't but still Someone said I will mention that it has been confirmed that lethal injection is not painless And has been described as your blood turning into fire. So there isn't really a painless execution as of yet So, yeah, that's not true. That's gonna be not true shot in the head. Well, yeah What if you're giving a drug that just sends you to sleep and then yeah one that kills you? Yeah, they put you that's sort of Done you that's sort of what lethal injection is. I don't think that that person knows And also for us to know what lethal injection feels like it literally means that that has to have come from someone that it failed on No, I didn't die I totally believe that injecting chemicals into somebody can be extremely painful But the argument isn't even based around that. That's not even yeah, the argument is you can't kill someone painlessly Which is like, yeah, you can Don't they use like benzodiazepines and stuff and like penta whatever I don't I don't know what they use But it I mean I could talk I I could totally believe that putting chemicals into someone could be painful Yeah, that's not I'm not worried about that part It's the death penalty is irreversible. What if later on it turns out the person was innocent Like I never said I was pro against the death Never in all of that might say if I was pro or against it.  That's all Sorry, do you do you guys know of contra points? Yeah, I've heard of her. Yeah Uh, she just did a video on justice not too long ago that actually touches on a lot of the things that uh rags is bringing up Excellent interesting By definition, they can't even teach us or make us think more deeply about the subject. What do you mean? What do you mean? So is he saying that if something it let's get that whole thing? Let me drag it back. Let me drag it back just a little bit to get that whole Because saying something cannot teach me something. Oh, you know a lot about me Yeah This but I think games that are exclusively about indulging in sadism do not have redeeming value by definition No, what if they're fun? Is he is he suggesting that if you find it fun, you're like you're a bad person Someone in chat a while ago in the stream said that Violence for the sake of violence is basically how we got just just look at doom. We're like, no, I wouldn't agree with that That's not violence for violence sake. That's violence for the sake of having fun That's trying to use violence in order to have fun Simulated sport violence for the so In the same way a game that I guess in his terminology indulges in violence Like that that's the redeeming quality that is that it's fun It it brings enjoyment to people He says like that's a real thing.  They don't have to uh Harp on the idea of uh, I don't know some sort of justice or injustice being Are coming commenting on some sort of political issue or something that some things can be dismayed to have fun with So indulge in some sort of primal instinct like uh, like the superhero novels or superhero comic books They're just there to watch a powerful good guy fight a mean Irredeemable bad guys why do you have two dimensional bad guys even today? Because sometimes it's just fun to indulge in a story But you don't have to have these complex issues or you don't have to feel sorry or empathize with the bad People like to feel justified in what they're doing exactly absolutely. Yeah Same thing with video games. You don't have to have a video game teach us something or to uh to help us understand something You can have a video game. It's like it's just like hey That's that you just commit violence and it's just fun and it's not hurting anybody. It's making a joke Whatever it is. It still has some redeeming value to it. It is might not be the redeeming value that Zero, uh, what is it? What are you called? Uh extra credit is looking for I uh, also, I mean, I've never looked into the definition What bdsm stands for I knew b was bondage. I didn't know the rest Yeah, that's that's his uh sadism. Well sado masochism is sm.  Well, like, how do you not know that? I was like, I guess I've never looked into what it stood for. I just knew what it was Yeah If you were gonna if you're gonna ask me what it was for I'd be like, I don't yeah You're not a weird like I'm sorry. That shouldn't kink shame But like if you're just specifically not into bdsm, there's no reason for you to know What it stands for or unless well, I think you could be into it and not know what it stands for, right? You could yeah, it's just always called bdsm. Yeah in every context. You just say bdsm um Yeah, um, I I mean we live in a world where a lot of people still don't know that michael Myers played both dr. Evil and austin powers. Yeah Like It was like a week ago I mentioned I thought about michael myers the character serial killer Yeah Yeah, that's him I want to I want to blow some people's minds because there's always someone who doesn't know this There's a couple of these sorts of things, but I was gonna call everyone chat is going wait. What really wait. What is the c?  He did what we're gonna. We're gonna do another one. So a lot of people know that um What helped reinvigorate, uh, robertini juniors career was the combo of iron man and tropic thunder They happen. I think they're like literally around the same year They're both films that people consider like favorites from him And uh, he's like on top of the world now Did you also know that uh, tom cruise was in trouble career wise until tropic thunder, uh, picked him up And then he got a lot of different people got attention from that I told fringy that and he was like tom cruise is in tropics under he is Yeah, what he is He is okay Tom cruise is in tropics and this is not a troll whatsoever. Tom cruise is in tropics third.  What's um, what's one of his quotes? I made an RPG like a little sample RPG game where I had a weapons store called BDSM You know blades daggers swords and maces. Oh, I love that. That's great. Hey, um, I'm sorry if uh I talk over anyone here, but I've got to go for a little bit. Uh, if you guys are still here in, uh A little while maybe like half an hour. I'd love. Oh, yes. We'll be here. No We'll be here All right. Well just in case you're not in just in case I don't uh come back It's been awesome. Thank you so much for having me. Uh, the chat's been really really nice to me I've seen comments that were really good You guys have been great and I like really really enjoy having like being able to talk about these, uh intellectually stimulating topics, uh Like this isn't something you get in day-to-day life, especially not in like quarantine really So like thank you super super much and I hope to come back in a little bit locally locally. Yeah, e-fap.  Oh, yes, the biggest of brains. We even have satan I'm getting hearts. Oh my god. Thank you guys. You guys have a great audience. You guys have a great job I'll be back, uh, in a little bit.  I will massacre you.    He didn't believe me I had to send him pictures and he still didn't believe me because of course he wouldn't and then I was like look closely Well, what he didn't believe that was tom cruise.  That was tom cruise That's a good movie It is. All right back to extra credits and whatever this point was Do you think people know that alphabets come from the words alpha and beta? Wait, really? See there we go. There you go.  I did not know that. Yeah That's why sometimes they call it alpha bet mega Include omega, but then they were like that's a bit that's a bit much You know, you know, you know what they're called screensavers Go on because they literally are designed to save your screen from having an image burned onto it Ah They're often dark and they're they move around and stuff That's smart. That was gonna be my monday answer. I thought it was gonna be someone else Yeah, they save your screen because as many of you know if you Leave your computer monitor on all the time, especially if it's a very light color next to a very dark color It will have that Kind of quote unquote burned into place. Yeah, my cell phone has the lift app like image burned into it Because you know, it has to stay on for so long if you That it uh, it's just burned in now one. I would I would give I'm gonna be giving this in years from now We all will but I want to do it now in cases any In cases or any zoom is running around Don't you know why we say rewind the video? Don't you know why we say that is because when we used to Rewind tapes it would actually wind film Back to okay grandpa We're gonna have to put you back in the home. I mean there's there'll probably come a time where we have to explain to people why we say hang up the phone And why we say you roll up your windows and things like that. Oh, here's a weird generational thing Apparently a lot of young kids now when they do like this like the hand gesture for holding a phone up to your hand Instead of using your thumb and your pinky. They just like have their open palm like it's a smart phone That's a weird thing and we all squid and pulled out our glasses like what's that? Why exactly what's that gesture you're doing there? Oh one thing I learned that most people don't know or maybe they don't know is that trees So trees don't grow like all at once they grow from the top So a branch at its height will always be at that height. It will never grow go up with the tree they grow from the top upwards So if you nail something into a tree as it grows, it'll always be at that height. Oh, I see what you mean.  That's pretty categorical Mission they can't even teach us or make us think more deeply about the subject You can totally think deeply about sadism. There's no reason you can't I'd say that our conversation between sadism and justice or The way sadism can be expressed in different ways that's already deeper than nothing I just I just remember to have a book of facts and I've been neglecting it I'm going to catch up with the fact we're going to go through My grandpa's book of facts that he gave me Just a lie. Don't worry. Um Let's see. What am I on? We did the banana one. Um Oh, all right on average A twinkie will explode in a microwave in 45 seconds What setting Oh, I don't just average I guess average, okay Yeah, but I but this one this one is a bit more exact. So there are approximately 1,750 O's in every can of spaghetti O's Hmm The more you know Because as soon as you start to question these sadistic acts or think about the horror of the suffering you're inflicting The experience ceases to be about sadistic pleasure Uh So like I feel So I don't normal So it's generally like a special kind of game that makes you reflect on the suffering that you're inflicting Because most games don't want to be that Most games want to be simple and cathartic and stress relieving and fun And did you ever think about the pain of the zads you're knocking out and killing floor? It's like, well No, and it's like if someone said well, they don't feel pain I'd be like no, I'm pretty sure they kind of do actually but it's just not that's just not what the game is Does that make the game bad? It's like no I think extra credits would uh feel differently if he were a sadist Well, like you know that game we were just pitching the 20 hour torture one What if in the last 10 minutes they go the person goes you shouldn't have done this to me? It was horrible And then it ends Well, mind blown torture is bad. Whoa. Hold on hold your horses. Hold a moment here. Yeah, I don't know 20 hour torture game But at the same time though, we can have those conversations even if the game doesn't necessarily present them Like what if we did discuss if zads could feel pain and they used to be human and what we're doing in the game Do you think it's still viable and ethical and stuff? We could we could talk about how it is or isn't Oh, well, I'm glad you brought that up. Malibu because someone said what if in a game enemies in that game called out each other's names Yeah, that'll make you think about it, huh?  I just think this is way too restrictive right now It becomes an experience about understanding the nature of sadism And maybe you could build something of value from that but a game that's just about the thrill of sadism I see no value there. So that you literally answer your question the thrill of sadism That's your answer because it's fun That that's it and it's so weird because that's Primarily what a game should be Is fun and he's like I just don't see how could how could something just be fun?  It's like, well, that's Different like yeah, but what if it's still a sadistic motivation like they just want to cause this person suffering and enjoy it Is that okay? Or is it not? He's like if he says no, that's not okay either. I'd be like, okay What if this person killed the guy's entire family? It's like still not okay What if this person and you just keep cranking it and until you discover it's like wait So it's just like justice and revenge kind of just get thrown into this big Sort of washing machine of what exactly is actually happening We don't really know what you have an issue with specifically because the idea that a game only celebrates Sadism it's like what game are you referencing and it's not hatred. He doesn't have one. Yeah, he doesn't have a game at all It's just purely hypothetical if there were game that were hypothetically nothing but indulgence in the thrill of sadism He wouldn't like it and it's like cool. What game is that? Oh, you don't have it Yeah, because I'm trying to like that example we came up with It's like nobody's no one's made that game, right? Want to point out this really excellent comment in chat someone uh, oh robert here He's saying uh quote. I don't see the value of a horror movie that scares me Yeah, I'm being scared. It's no a horror movie that just scares me no redeeming quality If however the horror movie was about the nature of fear and how we can overcome it then that would be valuable But if it's strictly about scaring you then it's not Like this fucking donut hole doesn't understand that this is this is exactly what people said about friday the 13th And all the slasher movies that it's just it's it's gory. It's messy. There's just no redeeming value to it It's destructive on society. They're regarded as silly cult classics today But this is exactly what they said about horror movies I'd be interested to see how he could count to that because I don't think he can with this sort of structure If I just you know categorically say like those films are without value because they they're uh celebrating violence Like it's just killing that's all it is and people are supposed to enjoy Watching miga maya's slash people to death or jason which one's friday the 13th? That's jason, right? Yeah, yeah, so uh that makes them categorically bad because we're not having parts in the film where they explain that what jason's doing is not right God hellraiser yeah, imagine what extra credits thinks about hellraiser like this ain't the first time that that Extra credits has become jack thompson Who's that like it all loops back around he was what he was a big crusader against video games Oh, he was a lawyer right in the early day. Yeah, he was one of the he's the the go-to for you know the Concerned boomer who wants to take things away from people. Yeah At least those people reference specific games in specific movies extra credits.  I guess what i'm saying and plenty of people did There doesn't say to be any underlying principle here no it's just um Hurting people or causing them pain for your pleasure is a bad and he's saying that if that's all the game is about Then that game is bad. It's just like I feel like this is a bit We're missing a lot of nuance here I'm not even sure if such games can serve as an outlet for sadistic urges I mean anger can be internal it can be focused at the world rather than an individual And it could be expressed in ways that do no harm. I can't you argue, but I can't expect What so you could paint that does no harm, but you can't play a video game I don't know if you play a video game about sadism as an outlet That literally doesn't know when any harm So if we I don't and also I don't know if you want to be advocating Get a bunch of angry sadists go out and protest. We saw how that turns out I just don't understand. Well, he's saying that's not even possible. You seem like sadism can't be expressed Like you know, that's not true at all. That's what I mean. I'm confused. I'm like wait You don't think how many sand or co-ins of the world are there and why can't you just paint to express your Deep reference boys. It's not that deep, is it?  Yeah, or what his whole thing was. Yeah, it's Um, any sander co-ins in chat? This is a lot of people associate really uh, yeah, so A sadist who really wants to cause pain in people in order to feel pleasure What do you think they're gonna be making art about and why wouldn't they be able to? Very weird that you just like say that that just can't be an outlet. I don't understand that at all Yeah, you could even paint it if you wanted to that's what I mean just The simple suggestion of you paint a scene of sadism taking place. Wouldn't that be what a sadist might do? I mean if you wanted to paint violent depictions of what he what he really wishes What if what if his creation of the depiction of violence satisfies In a fake way, but still satisfies his desire to see violence And be internal it could be focused at the world rather than an individual and it could be expressed in ways that do no harm A sadistic experience though is by definition about hurting a person a real person. No, it's not by definition It's not about hurting a person Oh, you could hurt people in a myriad of ways that are totally justified and have nothing to do with sadism Humiliation is in the definition Yeah, it's about the pleasure that you derive from these things which that's the sadism It isn't the violence itself, which means you can simulate it and no one would be hurt Exactly different in anger in that respect. Yeah, I I this is so strange Can a game really provide an outlet for that? Yes, I'm not entirely convinced a game about sadism will offer much more than titillation for the full-blown You how can you even say that's better than nothing, isn't it? There's so much so much wrong with this though to be like, I'm not a sadist and I think sadists are bad However, I don't think sadists would be satisfied with a game built for their sadism. You're like, what? It's like I want you to make an argument for me why it works for rage, but not for sadism Yeah, and even if it only works to a twinge like an inch of of their desires are satisfied like isn't that worthwhile I'm going to extra credits Extra credits his own argument This doesn't make any sense because his own argument so far has been you play video games so that you can Expend or expend your outrage on video games instead of, you know, the real world But you can't do that for sadists for some reason like for sadism You have a sadist game.  That's only for people who are just angry He doesn't have any examples of no stick video games And he doesn't know any people that are sadists to ask about so he's just it's completely hypothetical If he was to reference a single piece of media as strictly sadism I feel like the people in chat at least being like, whoa, that is not what that's about Exactly.  No one is being harmed the economy is being simulated. Yeah What's the issue?  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's safe one person. We're on the way Maybe we should have more sadistic games I don't know like you're gonna have to point me to like I mean, sure. I guess it would be better if there were no sadists, but there are so we've got to deal with them And we're not gonna execute them in roving bands of sadism detectors. So what about some sadistic games that might do it Just like okay compare these sorts of games to your standard violent game And I don't mean the cartoony sort of violence that okay. No hang on You can't do that mortal combat has been the target of like crazy people saying it's gonna cause People to do violence for like centuries. Well decades. I think it was I think the first or second one that was banned in places But yeah, mortal combat is also one of those go-tos for censored because of Yeah, and I'll be we laugh at it now because of how archaic it looks to us In the new ones. There's some fatalities that make me go like, oh Oh, yeah, like I don't even oh for me. I don't even watch that. That's just exactly So the idea that he's like, oh come on. We all know mortal combat isn't that bad? It's like, whoa now We're how are we doing these lines? Imagine if you showed the new mortal combat like fatalities to just someone who'd never played video games before Like that's how you instantly make them never like video games ever Yeah, and he's limiting himself even further like he already didn't have any examples But now it's like, okay, so it can't be over the top violence It has to be realistic violence too So the potential games that could even fall into this category is even less now If mortal combat is cartoony like a lot of the violence in real combat is very real They'll like stab someone in the throat rip off their head because they vote they're strong characters I just mean that it's like over the top not necessarily But um at the same time It's about the consequences of that violence. They're depicted in realistic ways. So it's why it hurts so much And what if our theoretical sadist loves mortal combat because it's sadism? Like he says like I love booting up the game and then playing against a bot on easy And getting them into the fatality state so I can perform fatalities on them And if his response was well, the game isn't strictly about that. I'd be like the sadist is like, I don't care Like that's yeah, that's the part that I like Yeah, that's I mean, I mean got other stuff too. I guess and if extra credit is like, yeah Well, that's okay. We can satisfy the sadists with violent games But if we have strictly sadistic games, what is a strictly sadistic game that actually exists though We can only satisfy the sadists if we also mix in a bunch of messages And artistic qualities to them We need to have politics and all of our games And politics needs to be just hand-fisted into all of our games Well, if you remember these are the people who said you need to tell people when nazis are bad So In the scenes where they rip off heads in all combat, you need like a little tooltip to come up saying you shouldn't do this Yeah, a little twitter disclaimer. Did you know that murder is bad? Oh really? The experts have contested Yeah, experts have contested that murder is good. Here are links to three studies about ripping heads off and how it's unpleasant And why you random citizen should not do that.  How about that?  Would you like help? I just feel as though extra credits doesn't even realize the place in history that you're currently occupying If you zoom out of the timeline, you are just what they were like 20 years ago about mortal combat But now you're about something else and you're just sitting there without realizing it. It's like you're just you've just updated That's all you've done I mean your standard violent game where the rage and reality of the violence are front and center visceral Even in those games, you're usually fighting for a cause the end Oh, yeah, what if I'm what if I'm protecting the third rike against these foreign invaders?  That's really bad And I he did not see they updated their uh, their position on this you see Isn't simply the thrill of violence itself But at least the veneer of saving the world freeing your people or defending your country I'm sorry.    Nobody's sitting around thinking like we got to win this for america So it's not happening But of course he needs that for the argument I would say To make it seem uh more detailed and deep than simply I'm firing my gun and having fun with it Which for some reason makes you a bad person at this point It's just all of these things they allow they they visually in Audio Lee I don't even know what that word would be They like they contextualize what essentially the code is because the mechanics is just code Which to our human brains won't really make a lot of sense in and of itself. So that's why we have models That's why we have sounds. That's why we have things that we could see We put all these things into stories and the scenarios that we can relate with and that are easy for our brains to accept and so That's where that comes from when we start out It was like simple blocks with simple shades because that's the best we could put up with and eventually we've moved on to Hey, what if I could have miss you into thinking you're in a like a war Orally audio would be orally orally orally not orally my mind went there though orally. There you go The problem is my accent. They are the same Orally orally and orally Because or like so well, that's why a lot of people in the music industries They get me too because they ask a woman to come over for some oral and it gets misinterpreted And then they get their careers lost In sadism games though the goal of violence is the hurt it causes one of these sadism games, please Please Is the violence no the violence is a means to an end which is ultimately getting people to buy the game But it's it's really it's having fun The problem with this video That is argument because a big crux of it relies on there being a difference between Things that appeal to you to satisfy your anger and things that appeal to satisfy something more What we would consider maybe vile like sadism, but he gives examples of like gta for your for your anger expulsion However, he doesn't mean to give examples of sadistic games, which hatred however is not it's not a sadistic game I mean it looks like that but it's really just goofy.  It's kind of uh Kind of intense for players who think it's might might happen And of course the game is built around putting you in scenarios that are supposed to terrify you, right?  I should be like What would his count to be? If it's just code if it's a text Even text to speech if it was just purely you're just watching the code flashing and scrolling on the screen Of that event happening in that format. You wouldn't have any Connection to it. It wouldn't do anything and I feel like if he was to say, yeah, that would be one I'd be like, oh boy.  Don't make me and And I and I don't like his his overall point. I feel like is a super over simplification of the concept of like he He I don't even know how to really Say it he talks about like violence for its own sake and just violence for violence But I think that whenever you play a shooter Whenever you play a call of duty or a splatoon or an apex or anything any kind of shooter There's like these dual aspects of strategy and application of skill That are yes, these really on the fly problem. Solvings that your brain has to deal with Why being the smarter player Will Allow you to do better Even if you're bad at the hand I court if you're bad at the application of skill aspect of it The aiming the pointing the reloading the timing yada yada, but you play really smart and you're very strategic You can do better than players Who aren't as smart as you and I think that these It's it's like a mini puzzle in your brain every other second. Where am I going? Why am I going there? Do I reload now? Do I manage my equipment in this way? And then that's interspersed with the the the more visceral Applications of skill, which is you using your hand-eye coordination to execute tasks Which it's a it's a constant Flow of challenges that your brain gets to overcome and to solve That is the appealing aspect and the violence is just how that's dressed up because the violence is ultimately Just a framing device for competition.  They just wanted a different skin Like they were enjoying the mechanics. They just want it in a package that they find more appealing Than a bunch of flowers. Um, and I was going to bring this up about the the torture thing we were doing So like the the 20 hour torture game. What if The mechanics of torturing this person are really well integrated and actually difficult Like you have to keep harming them, but you have to keep them alive. And so it's a whole system Of different different people respond to different kinds of torture differently You have to keep a track of their shock their heartbeat the different Drugs you're giving them to keep them alive and then what you chop off at what times needed Like I know this sounds disturbing, but you understand that someone could argue The part of the game they enjoy is not actually the torture itself. It's just the management Yeah, it's going off that point that game would not fall under his category His category is games that are only about the thrill of sadism So any game at all that has like tactics Strategy and all the stuff rags was just talking about wouldn't qualify So the only game that would hypothetically fall into his Category is a game where like press x to torture and then you just watch torture happen Yeah, there's no yeah There's no like if a game doesn't have a fail state Then our our brain understands that we couldn't lose which means the point of the challenge is like we want to win In most of maybe even more importantly a lot of us. We like to be told that we won um But just the the the presentation of this competition through A hundred different little challenges and problem solving tests that happen in any multiplayer game They're so appealing to so many people that To just say that it's just violence on screen is a huge oversimplification That's really an insult to the media and it's that this is the kind of thinking that you're That your mom would say because who doesn't understand games Who thinks every console's a nintendo who doesn't who pokes her head into your room? It looks at the screen and sees you shooting and thinks that it's just dumb stupid violence And there's no thought behind it at all That person that mom and this guy at the podium interchangeable entirely in this scenario That was um a suggestion we had for amnesia rebirth wasn't it like they could have had a sequence We have to work hard to be able to get extract the uh vitae But the whole time we realized that In order to achieve our goals Someone is getting tortured and that we have to try and put it in the back of our mind in order to save the lives of Ourselves and the baby sort of thing um But obviously rebirth sucks. So uh a lot of people are just discussing different games that kind of present um torture mechanics in and they usually in the context of you have to do it for x reason Um, or it could not it doesn't even necessarily have to be that I wonder if a game can even as as capital Opinions was kind of bringing up couldn't even qualify at this point because There's always going to be a mechanic elements, which means there's usually going to be a fail state Not always but in some way that requires you to do something and if you can derive enjoyment from simply satisfying tasks um Then the only thing that would qualify is just emit like like video of someone being tortured Like that's the only thing that would qualify like you spend all your day on live leak or some shit That's the game like yeah, because if there's a game to be played at all in the video game Then that's its own redeeming quality And if you ever ask someone in a game like let if you play a game and you win and someone asks you Why did you win that game? Like how did you win? You're never going to say because I was more violent than the other team It's almost explicitly because I channeled my Actions in a way that were far more productive than the other team did I outfought them. I outsmarted them. I outplayed them. I had better hand-eye coordination than they did It's all these things mixing together, but no one is no one would ever Want to or probably even say that my Violence was just better like you could just dumb it down to that kind of level. Yeah I was more sadistic and that's I was more sadistic. Yeah At that point I wonder if this argument would be like nobody would say that about a heavily sadistic game And I should be like so we just got to find one person to do it and your argument falls apart.   There's no redeeming purpose There's no question of whether anything justifies this sort of harm. What if you have those questions though? Yeah, it's like I my fun Justifies it. It justifies my time. I mean a thing doesn't have to A video game doesn't have to quote unquote justifies. That's a weird terminology You'd have to know what you actually mean by that But it justifies my time if I have fun and if nobody's getting hurt then you're gonna have to You really work hard to explain to me why that's bad I find this interesting as well because if you know like the deleted scene for captain marvel with the dawn There's been a lot of discussion that's come out about that about what you what she did whether or not It was legal and then of course whether or not you consider it moral and based on whether or not The the prior events Can justify it ever and then what the histories of these characters might be All of that came from a scene where someone made it because they wanted to have like a girl power moment. That was it Yeah, so what i'm getting at here is like the conversation about a piece Could totally beat least someone was like is that why the piece is worthwhile? I should be like, well, I mean I think it's interesting that it existed right because we all got to have this sort of breakdown The idea that it can't produce any value because it's not trying to create that conversation It's really interesting when we have so many examples in history of content that wasn't gunning for x but it ended up getting x Just because of how it was built A game that's like that torture game we've been talking about and building up over this whole podcast Um, I kind of want to play it now It would I feel like it would strike a major conversation Like people would be talking about it for a while if it was a really well made and really interesting mechanically You could get dlc uh different packs, you know people you can torture If it was if it was a level within another really big game And it was you know that thing that everyone talks about absolutely different tools different utensils You can do you could download different eras of time As you play through you you have like weak targets than bigger and stronger or more resilient ones until you get like An alien who's immune to pain you have to find a way to torture it to get information you have to emotionally torture it Yeah Well, I think when soba did that right so do you we have to you have to coax information out of a Victim technically speaking by manipulating them as best you can That that's a moment that makes you feel pretty bad And then the the choice of whether to delete him or shut him down I like soma. I don't know if I mentioned that soma's great everyone plays soma Because the harm is an end in itself now. I understand this end. No, that's this is a super over He does he keeps doing it. He just says the harm is just the end Like no, that's what's happening. The end is basically it's not even up to the thing as to what the end is Like i'm kind of the determinant in what the end is if I enjoy it then the end is essentially my enjoyment What if like yeah, what if you you were like, oh you play a lot of killing floor Like you just have a lot of hatred in your heart.  There's a lot of skill and strategy and tactics in it It's like well, I guess you're thankful game like this exists What's to ban hatred? Am I I'm assuming this is this is going to be he's saying he doesn't want to ban these games Oh, okay Is an end in itself now understand this doesn't mean that these games have no right to be made Every game even the most debased has a right to be expressed But that doesn't mean we have to give them a megaphone It doesn't mean we have to reward them financially and it doesn't mean that store is operated isn't that all on us then Yeah, then i'll be the one to decide that thank you if I want to buy it Then let me buy it and if you don't want to buy it then you don't have to buy it Don't take away my ability to buy something. Well, he's saying he wouldn't but at the same time What is the point of this video other than to say you probably shouldn't What he's saying is like well, we don't have a right to give him a megaphone We don't have a right. He's like, uh, you I think I know what you're trying to say here I think I can read between the lines here and my private companies are obligatory He literally said it's without value I'll think I'll I think I'll I'm capable of deciding what does and doesn't have value to me Thank you very much because even though we said we probably have a preference for people not Encouraging the torture game at the same time I'd be interested to see people talk about it Yeah, like I think it's it would be a very interesting vehicle for discussion And honestly if you don't want people to play it then banning it from steam and vespai and other like, you know like Trying to cancel it essentially is gonna make think of all the shitty games that release on steam every day that are horrible Yeah, nobody like I would never know that gay world existed unless somebody talked about it specifically I'm like, oh, there's a game called gay world and like, oh, I'm the gay police Also, if I said to you, uh, I do not want to ban it But I want it removed from gog wool mop vespai steam target of the rest Wouldn't you guys be like, wait, you just can't be on youtube or twitter Okay, your own target you sell there yours because the best argument he has now is oh, I want it to be sold Sure, but only in like a random bargain bin in one shop in the world, you know, like right Nobody can buy it. Well, you remember that scene from life of brian We're at the they're at the coliseum and that one guy wants to be that one dude He wants to be called loretta and and he can't actually be a woman He can't actually have babies, but they agree the gd and people's front They agree that he should have the right to have babies in it even if he can't It kind of reminds me of that It's like, oh no, you you shouldn't be you you can't buy it You can't go get it But you should you should have the right to be you know bought and sold But we're gonna basically make it impossible for it to be bought and sold like removing this game from steam That's already like wow. I don't uh, hmm. Okay. Well, it's like if you get rid of someone's twitter account Like that's a big deal Yeah, like not having access to those tools and those connections and those peoples and conversations like that's a that's a big deal That's a big chunk of audience that you just denied someone to be able to have To carry them There's a reason that much of our culture is founded on a work exploring questions of violence and rage It's an essential part of who we are and without understanding this part of ourselves We can never we tie this back to the iliad. I was gonna say that was that was quite the way to do that I just suddenly iliad Also, there's basically zero connection here whatsoever He just sort of mentions it forgets about it and then he re mentions it again And you're like, what was the connection here? Oh, basically zero.  What what exactly is what what should I gidelb in terms of a sentence about the iliad? You just like bring up bring up something like intellectual or like literary in the beginning You make the whole video and at the end of the video you bring it back to give the illusion of structure That's that's what it seems the point is of the iliad to me 20 minute video mentioned the iliad for the first minute or so it didn't spend like 18 minutes Discussing your politics or whatever it is You know, I hear the thing I really hate this guy and then at the end last minute you bring it back to the iliad and kind of close it up Connect it at the beginning at the end Yeah, you know if it comes back to where it started that means it was structured the whole time If you randomly bring it up at the end like you randomly started with it. That's yeah, that's great That's like a roadmap you're following. Oh, I know you don't wish to devil one of our latest efs Uh, we were covering somebody who was shocked to discover that god has the power to erase memories He was like, I could believe it Yeah, it was it was a stulture critic if you could believe it.  Yeah, you'll you'll get around the world and create the universe, but literally god I feel like yeah, that's one of those ones where he'd be like, yeah, I could knock that out. Yeah Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, sure. I mean I could delete your whole brain if I wanted to but we'll just take some memories Give you the old jobe's wife treatment. I know lots wife. I'll give you the old lots wife treatment.  He's like I could literally stop the universe Where does to you?  There's a universe off switch here I could flip it at any moment. Our podcast turns some people's brains into pure salt True Come a society we can never become a community. There's nothing wrong. Okay, wait. I want to roll him back We can never become a community Was made while obligated community to carry them there's a reason that much of our culture is Why would you always have to be a community all of a sudden? Like there was no community before the Iliad like, all right I was I want to know if that's what he was saying It doesn't mean that stores operated by private companies are obligated to carry them There's a reason that much of our culture.  He came at that He's like steam doesn't have to support the selling of your sadism game And it's like at the same time you can't force steam not to so But that's what he wants to do. He wants. Oh, you bet. They do Rated by private companies are obligated to carry them There's a reason that much of our culture is founded on a work exploring questions of violence and rage It's an essential part of who we are and without understanding this part of ourselves We can never become a society if it's an essential part of who we are We didn't need a book to tell us about it Also, we come to become a society without understanding the violent parts of ourselves Which was spearheaded by the Iliad. It's like, okay, you say a lot of things right now Yeah, I don't think that you have like any legs to stand on I feel like this isn't to deny the importance of the Iliad, you know culturally and historically but Yeah But there's so many things tied together like we can't form a society if we don't recognize our own darkness And we only understand our own darkness because of the Iliad specifically So there were societies before the Iliad gonna put it out there I feel like if it's intrinsic to us, then we don't even need a book to explain it Like I feel like it's just yeah, there it is Yeah, if someone was able to write it as a rule they probably came about it before the Iliad We can never become a community There's nothing wrong with this and violence as an expression of anger as well as violence in the name of a cause Are incredibly important things for us to consider in the world today The question of when is violence in the name of a cause actually a lie? We tell ourselves in order to act out the violence of mr.    Give me an example of when Examples are amazing.  I beg you I want to know what you think represents this shit Misdirected anger that's one of the defining questions of the 20th and 21st century If not of human existence and these are things that video games let us explore They help us to understand and wrestle with this emotion as art has Why would you put your why would you put the handles on the paint? Yeah, that is actually kind of annoying to see hopefully that's all right.    I would never say you shouldn't get this game just because it's violent, but say yes, you are That's what this whole video is about This whole video is about you condemning games because you apply because you say without any justification whatsoever that they have No value whatsoever implying that no store should have to sell these That's that's what this whole video is In fairness, he's saying violent games are cool. Say sadistic games are not easy to follow Yeah, but what is a sadistic game?  You're like, oh, yes much like the these other examples Oh And I think we'd all agree that whatever he chooses as long as it's a game that one of us four have played We will be able to explain how sadism is not the only angle in the game exactly Any game that is a game wouldn't fall into that category Is cruelty and if you're excited about a game that's purely about the thrill of sated so you can't So I guess now we have to like what what you define is cruelty like is simulated cruelty his btsm cruelty is that the same? Like how can you be cruel in a video game if it's against NPCs?  Um, what if they do it in a video game?  I'm gonna watch you like a hawk and just make sure you don't start doing any shit in real life At the same time If if he was like, we see we should we should get rid of these games I'd be like, I mean it's better than the kid doing it in real life.  Is cruelty and if you're excited about a game that's purely about the thrill of sadism I would probably ask you why Because the only joy in a sadistic game is the joy found in hurting other people Okay, but what if that helped them understand themselves? Yeah, it sounds like value to me. Yeah, what if they stopped doing it because they realized The only joy in a sadistic game comes at the expense of like pixels It's not like It's not real suffering if it's Well, yeah, the theory what if this kid who tortures the animals in Minecraft never does it in real life and That's that what happens then. What do we say? You say, oh, that was kind of weird. That was kind of weird And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that's a joy for most of us Oh, someone's someone's just asked me with um The flash game called interactive buddy. I think I know what that is It's another one where you have a little dude and you have a drop-down list of ways to hurt him And um, that was a flash game. I remember playing it You it would be like you have a flamethrower and he's like He runs around that you have like you fill the room with water or or shoot him with a gun And he'll just like fall over or do the joy of the game is seeing what the animations would be Or seeing what the results of the screen would be because you know that the guy is not actually real like That's probably why um The example uh for the film kept coming up Other people were referencing because uh, what was it called the ender's game you were saying? So the the idea that a random person is presented with this game. It's like this is a little buddy on screen.  What happens if I swing at him and then he goes blah and runs around You know like what else do I have flamethrower gun minigun? Grenades he's like, huh?  What like This is not something like Jesus. Why I want to talk to people Yeah, I would never want to hurt somebody if this was a real person. I wouldn't be here doing this Freak and maybe the animation is funny And maybe seven minutes is not enough to talk about something like this Maybe just maybe maybe no work is not enough work to discuss this topic We'll see you next week I'm sorry, can I just want to hear the last sentence like what this is the last actual Joy in a sadistic game is the joy found in hurting other people and maybe I'm wrong But I don't think that's a joy for most of us We'll see you next week. That's why most of us don't Engage in truly sadistic activities The reason is there's genres and stuff like that and it's sub-genres Small small audiences, but niche audiences Yeah, the only way awful video the only way that you could be right is if his definitions are like Like a tautology Like if he says like if we all agree that this thing is a bad thing To engage in then it's a bad thing to engage in like that's all he's got It's really wrong The game is a opposed to his personal morality. So therefore it is universally bad But malla, you're absolutely right about the whole tautology thing because this whole point is Appeal to authority. It's appeal to popularity. The whole point is that this hypothetical game that does not exist No, no, no, I'm not not appeal to authority. He's he's suggesting like these are all my definitions um, or popularity of the way By definition He is is all all he's concluding is what he's agreed. The definition is Exactly not him Huh? The thing you said about if we all agree that something's okay. Oh, no, that's just that was the semantics of how I was pretending to be him Like he's he doesn't actually care if you agree or not I don't even know why I don't even think he could convince himself why he agrees. Oh, yeah No, that's why I think he threw that in at the end where he was like, I might be wrong It's like you don't think you're wrong Yeah, like I I I Well the assertion that one can well saying that I can be wrong is different than saying I can't be wrong No, I know I'm suggesting that he doesn't think he might be wrong He's oh, yeah, I I totally think he's in the right on this But that's you know all the things people like it's not a position where he's like I've come to this conclusion But I don't think it's a fully realized position.  It's This hypothetical game that I can't provide any examples of Is a vehicle only for sadism and it would be bad because it's a vehicle only for sadism And any reasonable person watching goes okay, but no games like that. So what's the point of this video and There's nothing I mean if you want to say I mean if this is a video if this video is like a warning for the future game developers out there And it would make more sense that the game hasn't been made yet I think is like maybe we should explore why um, well, let's think this applies to movies and games almost every movie in almost every game contextualizes the violence in itself to be either justified or explained in some way it's not just mindless violence against innocent people Yeah, and when that happens it is depicted as bad A bad thing that's what the villains do And I think there's probably a really it's probably a really obvious reason, but there's definitely a reason why that happens Um, I can't think of any games where you kill innocent people and that's the point Well, so but in the examples we've been trying to come up with the one that the one that we invented and the one I was just talking about with the the buddy that you torture Quote unquote. Um, there's another one people are linking where it's like an itch.io game where it's like a body held up by Ropes and you can just take a chainsaw or whatever to it and watch all the skin and different things fall off and get Fucked up basically, right? That's the game is to just see the effects of the different torture devices on the body um You could I like again people playing it out of pure curiosity Like what kind of mechanic is this going to look? What is this going to have an effect on in terms of the body and if someone's like, well, you enjoy torturing people I could totally see someone be like, well, no, this is just fantasy. Like I'm not I would never do this I'm just curious about the game and how it works and everything I don't even think an actual sadist would enjoy that game because there's no suffering being done Maybe that's what they get off on I assuming if that's what sadism is. Yeah, then the fact that it isn't real wouldn't scratch that itch But I don't know. I that's yeah, I'm not a sadist on my part. Oh, I don't really know I don't know enough about it. That's the thing if a sadist said it was, I'd be like, oh well No, that I'd even enjoyed yourself. All right. Well that video was pointless Um, also someone said like they don't want people to think the ilia to some crazy pretentious stuff because of uh This video is like no, we we would never frame you that way. I like no I read I read one of them. I think I read the odyssey we had to do It's really good and I wouldn't ever like downplay its cultural significance But the point is that it makes no It's not relevant to the video at all and it's just there to make it seem like he's tired. Look what I know about guys Yeah, exactly It's kind of funny because I'm putting out one of my videos that the time span Between the end of return of the jedi in the beginning of the force awakens You could have the entirety of the ilia in the entirety of the odyssey and still have 10 years to go So that's why they should have had more story between those two trilogies Yes, a lot of something to do I think it's the only reason he brought it up was to be like Hey, this is violent too, but it has a purpose. Also. I know what the ilia is Okay, the ilia is not a war. It's literally a war story. It's all about a war as achilles fighting in the war Uh, it's not it's not like useless baseless Violence in there. It's not just violence for violence sake. It's exploring ideas It's exploring characters and character arcs and gods in conflict. It's not uh, oh Well, all the western media all the western stories even from back then and all based on the horrific violence. That's not actually true We got um, do you remember us talking about an alternate universe movie bob? Like you wouldn't have his goatee Your universe it's been it's been drawn.  I think we found it one day for some reason this mudcast I forgot why but yeah, there's like a whole cookbook about Marinating seven mountain dew and where did we find this from? Who made well my dad when he makes um when he one of his His is marinated sauce thingies that he soaks Meat in is it's got some coca-cola in it just a little bit So that wouldn't make sense. Yeah, that's uh, it's good, but marinating a chicken and mountain dew I think the first thing this alternate universe movie bob says is genocide is bad What if he's posted pictures of him trying to find some but one of the first responses I saw the movie bob posting about his marinated chicken and mountain dew is you are what you eat Bob is bob is a chicken marinated in mountain dew Oh, okay. Yeah, here we go.  I just feel like that's gonna do stuff to the chicken Not a chef won't be able to be specific three days I don't know if you want to marinate something like because mountain dew is probably really acidic So I don't know if you especially mountain dew was like marinated for three days Like three days and like acid sugar just seems like Yeah, maybe it's maybe there's something else in that mixture Also, I feel marinated should be saved But like actually cooking in this scenario. You should just call it drenched. This is drowning. Yeah drowned in mountain dew Why? Oh, horrendous And that does it extra credits once again proving That they are top of the line in terms of analysis Amazing.  That's us. Just a bunch of bigots. All the bigot wouldn't have that video I'm not even sure what they do these days kind of looking weird like Cleopatra Guess they're doing like a story series about it. I think they do like history stuff.  I don't have it the not I guess Um, all right. Well that pushes us to our final video of the night. Oh wow um It's been a it's been some time since we were able to cover any Tonal cookery videos except for the uh bigger sandwich quickie. Yeah Before that we had a big gap But this one is he is very important because when he was with us for e5 100 I may have let slip that my interest is seeing him cook for sauron Uh, and he totally did There's a question. Oh, what is an L? Think he dressed up for halloween. Um, oh my goodness Beautiful Wow So, yeah, I don't think there's really any context here other than let's just jump in we've got to see tonal cooking again Um, well, actually if um if literature devil's gonna be out for just a moment Let me use that for my break too, and I'll be back in just a second. All righty Um, that looks like we've just got a chat about something now. Amy. That's all right Oh, it's fine with me. Um, what's on your mind? Sadism maybe Well, the other thing on my mind right now is tonal's halloween costume or whatever. Oh, yeah It's an interesting choice. I'm trying to think of all the references Yeah, I really don't know. It's like it looks like a dress kind of it's a dress, right? Yeah, I'm trying to think it's like is it maybe a famous killer woman or is it from some particular Because it's not my first thought weirdly was um Sally from night before christmas Then I was like, I don't think she's covered in blood 20 degrees. So it's probably not here I don't think this is a reference at all You think it's just maybe I'm wrong. It's just an outfit Maybe uh, it's a look chat. Do you know of who it might be moaning myrtle? That doesn't make sense She's not covered in blood right zombie transvestite. Hmm Talk about mandalorian, uh rags and I have not seen any episodes of mandalorian just yet We do plan to uh much like the boys. We're just giving it some time before it comes out Letting it marinate and mountain dew for oh, yeah, have you seen any of it? I have not Wow, I don't have disney plus. It's not a true star was fan, huh? I guess not. No, I only really like Uh, the first two movies and the third one is pretty good Wait, you don't like the prequels the sequels and rogue one and solo. Wow, not really can't say Can't say I do you're probably in good company. I was never I like I like star wars, but I'm never a huge fan Uh, so like when I saw the last jedi I was wow, this is awful But it didn't and it didn't piss me off because I wasn't you know emotionally invested I kind of just rolled my eyes a lot and I watched that movie How did you uh find efeb then if it wasn't stall was I'm surprised black panther actually Because well, I found you because of black panther because I was desperate to find someone who was willing to talk Honestly about how not good that movie was And there weren't very many people doing that because you know of all the the racism implications So I've actually had an uptick in uh comments on that video saying like Fucking maybe chill like the guy died. It's like I didn't Like you made it after I've also had comments say it like he didn't know the guy was gonna die So the video is still fair. It's just like I don't think you need to make that count of it.  He'll be fine. It's like, I don't wait I don't know ice is pretty hard. Like it's a pretty hard surface to fall Or I guess he washed up or what I just it's it's and there's no agency Remember um baku doesn't tell them that he's got him, but he's dying. Yeah. Yeah until like He's like, yeah That's a thing by the way I'm glad we got to revisit just how not good that movie is in this stream earlier.  Are there a lot of welsh Colonious, oh well everyone figures i'm english anyway, but uh, I just find it amusing that you wouldn't naturally do it Like humans just do this. They're like, oh land. I can make that space for people. I love And myself like why would you not and because people automatically assume that I'm saying what counter should just take over the entire planet It's like, uh, no, that's no I just think that they would have expanded a little bit and when I reference that they Had one tribe uh absolve like or just take over the other four as like leadership They were like, we will lead, you know the five as a total people were like, yeah, they stopped there I was like, what do you mean you stopped there?  Like why wouldn't yeah, what if you need space more resources? What happens when your population?  It's one of the really early ones. It opens with me talking about how I did not see it coming The people would say i'm racist for it and rags like you're so naive Well, great I think if you were I think if you were american coming Yeah, because over here you can hate movies about wakanda without being racist. It's this whole thing I'm not in america. You can't I don't even hate it.  So I was like, please tell me there are some people online Who are willing to talk about how not good that movie is Oh, I do when I found out it was 100 until one person said there wasn't enough fights and that's why they give it Uh, like less than 100 or whatever. I forgot about that That is not why the movie sucks, but everyone hated that guy.  It's a movie about black people wasn't violent enough Remember when Jeremy was called a clansman for rating it an eight? I don't remember that but that's pretty funny Well, he's totally a clansman unlike tonald of which we shall start this up.  He knows if you let him go probably the fate of middle earth is doomed And he just lets him walk out.  Where is the silder? Oh, he's fine. He's uh He's still in there. Yeah as much as I think it's totally fair to have this thought I mean like you do understand it would cause a major war between mad and elf like that probably wouldn't be worth while In the moment thinking about it from elrond's perspective All the like the fact that it's set on a quick line But it must have been really difficult for all of the races to come together For this one goal and all that would have been thrown away after the victory here and I do love the visual though elrond walks back out and he's like sarron is defeated. They're like, where's uh Where's the silder? The silder is defeated Elrond's like he's always all the way down there. They look and he starts running. He's like, hey Well, he can't catch him. He's an elf. He's too fast But yeah, you should have grabbed him like a little clown boy. I agree. Yeah, you said I like the visual I thought you're about tonal because boy. Do I like this visual? This is quite the visual. Yes.  You guys don't have to let me know when it stops. All right. Yeah, we could You just chat in between the moments. Yeah Magic consort. Oh my goodness. Look at the rig. Oh my goodness. What would Sauron Order at a restaurant. Oh my little ghouls and goblins. Welcome to episode four of our production value Oh, wow. Yeah, all right. The bats are oh my goodness So special Halloween episode featuring Sauron the evil dark lord from the lord of the rings But guess what? We're not going to cook Sauron dinner Nope, we're not cooking him breakfast second breakfast 11 z's Luncheon afternoon tea. I think this proves that he knows his lord the rings. Okay. That's I like it. I like it I like it. He's supper. Nope. We're cooking him dessert today for the evil dark lord Hey I like that Sauron like really values dessert over any other portion of me.  Oh, wow. So actually that's not really good precious Raspberry balsamic ice cream Alrighty, so the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna make a damn good ice cream So a custard is when you add sweetened hot cream and milk To room temperature egg yolks first harvest five yolks from five eggs Give them a little bit of a stir and then set them aside Next heat up your cream your milk your vanilla sugar Which is just normal sugar infused with an empty vanilla pod and a little bit of salt salt and desserts Helps draw out the flavor of the sweet stuff. We're looking for a mixture that's hot but not boiling And obviously this kind of stuff like I'm just gonna have to take his word for it I don't actually know if this is how you do it or not. I've already learned so much more from this than any videos So get hot but don't boil And look he even has the the the ring language. What is it elvish or elvish? It's gotta be right? Is it black speech? Yeah, I can't remember Is anyone in chat? A language where every word is the n-word G thought Now comes the tricky bit guys You're gonna temper the egg yolks by adding a little bit of this hot cream mixture to the eggs and then stir Now add this mixture back to the pan that's still on the stove and keep stirring until you reach exactly 165 degrees Why do we temper the eggs and stir like mad guys? So we don't get scrambled eggs. Take it off the heat cool it down. I mean if that's yeah You know, I don't want scrambled eggs in my cake Like vinegar ice cream You've never seen that before That's true Flavor We're making this flavor here. Let me go ahead and just say this one thing. Um, did you guys know that nicolas cage was supposed to be aragorn? Talk about dodging a bullet boys. We've been so much Dodging a bullet I would have liked to say that Aragorn Because page aragorn to be perfect. Yeah I feel that we need that alternate take, you know, we need to see the uh the movie He's In case of helmet because he couldn't save a mary and pippin. He's just screams and then falls to his knees I'll be the entire performance. I would I would pay to see it just saying Real fancy you can actually reduce the balsamic vinegar in a pan by half before you add it but that is optional Oh, you know, I don't think he's gonna explain his costume I think that's just gonna go without saying apparently just put the flavor with the custard Stir it up put it in an ice cream machine and let it go until it becomes ice cream. Congratulations.   It's the triple A witcher style Lord of the rings adventure from the shire to mount doom epic single-player art Uh, excuse me sir. Lord of the rings third age was a masterpiece. Wouldn't you agree?  Now we need to work on our black sesame brittle This is a quick step, but it's tricky The nards of charsal Heat sugar and water in a pan for about 20 minutes until you have caramel Patience my love and have faith that this horrible looking mess goop will turn into soft sexy caramel We achieved a beautiful amber brown throw in some black sesame seeds and bring the mixture precisely to 300 degrees Fahrenheit This is known as the hard crack stage and will give us what is known as a brittle which we can break into whatever shape We want hell. Yeah, we just made the shards of narsal from the fellowship of the ring Which is sealed or used to cut the one ring from the hand of sauron In case people didn't know what it was, you know, you gotta know what that was This is why it has particular significance And his slow-mo shots are pretty nice. Don't you guys love edible swords? I do I know what sauron does or he better. I shall make many orcs eat my sword We'll power them up Did you guys know that aragorn was supposed to fight sauron at the end of the return of the king? Comes flying down from the black aid on a huge ash dragon Everyone's like, holy s**t sauron. We're f*****g dead. He comes crashing to the ground It kills like 50 people. He's like f*****g. Yeah. What's up? He looks over at gamely. Boom! Just smashes him with his mace. Aragorn goes, nooo And now f*****g pulls a fireball out To fade out That was funny Step three, let's make a bitter chocolate cookie crumble so we can have some dirt and some rocks below our mount doom cake All right, grab yourself a food processor and begin by pulverizing almonds Which will be the base for the cookie. Next just throw in some sugar, flour, salt and unsweetened cocoa powder Now slowly drizzle in some melted butter. The texture should be crumbly and delicious Is it legal to mix it in like this? Why don't you just use oreos and crumble them up and just save yourself the time? Well, guess what bro? We don't take shortcuts on this show Shut the f**k up Oreo simp Those Oreo elitists out there get f**ked We make everything by scratch because that's the right thing to do bruh Could you imagine how much worse this would be if it was Oreos? Jesus Yeah, I can already taste the cheap Exactly Just the right thing to do bruh I'm still waiting for the music to stop Just make a black sesame paste by blitzing black sesame seeds with honey until you get an ooey gooey puree All right, next we need to get two egg yolks and two eggs into a bowl with some vanilla sugar and get the old Do you think he like put the camera and then and then drop try to bounce the bowl on it and was like oh, yeah Like hopefully I mean cinematography is actually quite impressive. Yeah, I like a lot of it I feel like he's watched a lot of uh cooking programs to know what kind of shots people like Egg beaters out and makes this on high for five minutes No more music I'm actually very curious to see how this will look whip eggs It creates a natural rising agent because the whipping motion Creates little air bubbles in the egg protein that make it rise when heat is applied This allows you to bake a cake without another rising agent like baking powder Next we need to concoct the chocolate component by heating dark chocolate and butter over a bain marie Fancy name for a glass bowl sitting on top of a pot of Add some espresso to this mixture which will really bring out I want I love the idea is like fancy name for a bowl and a fucking thing. Shut up This flavor of the chocolate Oh boy, oh that for sauron I was gonna say you gotta you really gotta pull it out for him Working very quickly fold this mixture into the egg mixture in small batches Remember what I just said about the egg whites This is why people fold ingredients into whipped eggs so that they don't knock out all the air Interesting it's actually really smart See add two tablespoons of flour when this is finished to bring the cake together sauron is getting the cake It's amazing. You really shouldn't have tunnels It's kind of funny like if tunnel's working in more doors like kitchens He'd be he'd be so out of place, but he'd be like well like no fall don't knit Yeah I mean like I kind of like that gourmet mission in skyrim All those will that work the cats do in monster hunter? Like this they take their work very seriously This is our gravel Okay sacred mount doom leaf i'm waiting for him to pour that mixture To really simulate. Oh, I guess that would make sense. Oh That looks pretty good I mean I'd eat it rings is my favorite fantasy trilogy Of all time and watching it again to prepare for this video was an absolute treat Without a shadow of a doubt the fellowship of the ring is my favorite lore of the rings movie by far It's my favorite too. That's my favorite too.  I like returning the king just because of you know the conclusion of everything, but yeah It's either that or I like the fellowship of the ring Yeah, nobody like well, I don't see nobody not many people choose two towers Uh Which is funny because I used to say it's bad because it's just it's all middle Mihai she sent me how I would choose it doesn't have the uh, the uh, the second Episode effective at the uh, Empire Shrek's back does they didn't have the same effects Fellowship of the ring is by far my favorite of the outer the lore the lore of the rings trilogy The two tunnels. Yeah. Yeah, the two I choose two towers. We got some two tower chooses in uh In chat and they're welcome to that opinion. Absolutely, but it's fine. They will not be They're all really good. That's the thing Yeah, they're all racist and stuff Honestly, I I often consider them all like the same long movie in a way, you know, they're all made at the same time Yeah, kind of they're all made by the same people Characters the venture the actors and the performers the music Just the way the movie was shot with the miniatures It's just fantasy perfection just a shame what happened to the hobbit.  What they decided to do with the hobbit what they were doing with the package like it's part cooking video part movie I love it I didn't know what the hell I was doing I Well, yeah, the hobbits the movies didn't do quite as well. A lot of people still like the hobbit movies Yeah, I think there's definitely stuff to like but Look is awesome The live action movies I don't know where they were going with it, but uh, I guess you can like I guess I guess still they they solve A a need for a hobbit movie Uh, but if you want to hobbit a good hobbit movie, I would always choose the the cartoon version That's what I've heard. Yeah apparently cartoon It's stronger though, of course, uh, a lot of people tend to agree Uh, what's his name the one who plays bilbo?  That's the one Uh, Gordon freeman like he's they consider him quite a good casting for bilbo and he's quite endearing throughout Yeah, I can see that and someone in chat said the hobbit got me laid. So You know, you can't ignore these sorts of things character It doesn't have no redeeming value. Got him laid um Yeah, I like two towers the most because of chrysophilia. That is a fair reason that is a fair easy Thanks for watching this one was so fun very challenging But I think what we made today was not only delicious But it really does tie back to the theme of sauron and the lord of the rings have yourself a fun Spooky halloween and I'll catch you guys in our next video. Peace. Love and happiness until then. I'll see you later. I'm not gonna lie Dresses are pretty comfortable Hey, he mentioned it No, your cutlery So you can imagine that that's how sauron felt when consuming man, this is just it's like Literally a whole this is the mirror universe tonal with With this and what we got originally when we've covered him first. Absolutely. Yeah I really like these videos. They're cool. And I I save them specifically for efab now like Oh That was great. I really wish he'd get more I was gonna make is that we didn't see him try it But he kind of did that at the end You know, I would want him to like make that a more prominent part of him like eating it in the end Otherwise, that's pretty great how it felt to to consume Or maybe if he has like a girlfriend or a friend or something like that He can have them try it too, you know get their reaction many girlfriends Did you guys watch the princess zelda one? Wait a minute The one that I missed In which case we will have more to watch in future. Oh, there is one. Yeah, there's one for zelda Well In the future We will check it out I mean, it's it's you know, you don't want to just throw them all out, right? Like you want to keep Oh, yeah, you don't want to waste it. Yeah, you gotta save it and binge them all at once Yeah, five hours and now I suppose We will we will get to to super chats. Um Though of course if uh, if jamie or satan would like to depart Reason they have preference for uh, you you may do so now you are now allowed to go Or allow for your freedom. I can leave. Oh, finally I'm now allowed to leave. Awesome. I'll stick around. I'm just gonna use the quick There you go, I'm gonna head on but thanks for inviting me appreciate it. Absolutely Hey satan, it was nice to meet you.  I think the link is in the description, I believe And every week morning have a little show and a little show called more your nonsense If you want to check that out Uh, usually you have a lot of fun on there And if anyone else is also interested I have a comic book that is still in demand on indiegogo called dr. Alpha miracle child And I'm going to be releasing a new gift for all the backers who purchase this physical copy. So Uh, thanks for having me on mohler. No Nice. Hope you have fun reading on the super chat. Yeah, we will have fun. Yeah Fun times all around See you around. Good night everyone Good night Sins know the bad that bad of a guy. I'm just saying I know it's a controversial take, but I don't care I will say what others are too afraid to say Um So, yeah, I suppose we will jump right in and medium d speaks could jump back into this call at any point. Who knows? Over back. Yeah. Yeah, you know how peeing is All righty There we go So the first one says first Don't really know what to make of that some kind of weird language Black speech here Uh praise be the proper and then they've got the the table type emoji for um good ol gene That will be raging on further than we could ever imagine And the gaming episode coming up on mohler for that will be a little bit of time because we're still trying to Get a little hope to escape copyright. It's it's down to like 10 days now So we're getting there Uh rags poops with the door open oof hmm That's not true at all.  It's limits. All right. Yeah Uh d's orc is here for quality rat Well, I mean the orc must have appreciated the um the the cooking for sorrow quality rat stream Yeah All right, people who are listening just to the sounds this probably already know what game i'm booting up Did you ever play star wars the clone wars on game cube ranks? Played on the og xbox. I think I think it was on that. I think it's the same one, right?    Yeah I knew I'd get some thank yous in chat.  What do you reckon? I don't know if you're just trying to get through it. You might as well go through on its normal difficulty Yeah, it sounds like a good idea.    This is almost Okay.  I don't know many people who listen to you for while deer hunting.  But remember don't be sadistic about it. We had a whole thing about that today Nice quick clean kill It's an outlet for your rage. That's fine. But if it's an outlet for say, I feel like 99.9 of it is just sitting around Chillin talking to your son about hunting. That's what they do, right? We humans are ambush predators with rifles from distance Hello, all my end woods. I can't watch all day Because of work, but I might be able to jump in at the end again. Love you guys also high wags Oh, hey And yeah, you know, whenever you can whenever you want to go for it Thoughts on mando season two We've not seen haven't started it yet, but we will be very soon the other day, but Um, something happened. So something went wrong being my I will blame my along clock, right? That's I wasn't gonna name names, but you know now I guess is that we got the green light to dog pile on? No Have mercy on my soul Uh, but yeah, we're definitely gonna Check it out soon Might even do some fat minis. Who knows different things from different people, you know Rags you're working on. I made a season one video, right? You bet I am the whole season one a review in depth It's coming along really I'm really proud of it so far. I think it's coming along really nice. Wow vein You can't say nice things about your own work. I am Darth vane.  Oh Who will But yeah guys you saw what we did to the boy season two you will get the content you want eventually Okay, just hang in there You think we won't have things to say about mando season two after what we did to season one. It's like Oh Did you think that season two would magically become better? I mean it could magically become better I've seen people say it's better than season one, you know Apparently that's a thing I guess we'll see but I don't know I definitely have my concerns I am uh Let's just say I'm scootical Also, let me know if game is too loud or too quiet, you know, these things happen. It's hard to control Um, gotta love this more world building in episode four than the entire sequel trilogy. Oh Is world building in mando now? That's neat. Yeah, I would say there's more world building in the first episode of mando season one Unfortunately, it's not necessarily good Yeah, obviously the sequel trilogy Is Yeah, the sequel trilogy has a world building allergy Which is you know Can it can it can do some real real damage unless of course you don't give a shit about world building Which apparently means that's you know at that point, it's fine Not confusing or anything. That's so many bad guys Very many muscles do have Uh rags in canine soccer slash hockey.  Also, hi rags Hi, uh, yeah, we definitely segregate There's uh, we want to keep things fair balanced.  Also. Wait, which way are we going? This way, what about if there's something secret over there are some supplies nearby We can use them to recharge. Yo mama's an e-fap uh Fair enough. I one bow on wheels. Hello. Please kick jay done. Sincerely a very hungry bandicoot Hmm Whoa ps high rags or wags. Oh, hi Repsa 111 you should have me on because I have three eyes in my name I don't know if that's how we do it But uh Shall be kept in mind the uh Oh, there's three eyes in capital o opinions. Got them But it's the three eyes in jamie. No You got me there. There's like only two Because then a is technically an eye if you like change it completely All right that logic by that logic there are million eyes in jamie It's a really good piece of logic to use.  I think otherwise Also, I'm playing as mace windu and my partner is luminaria. Do you know these characters rags? Luminaria He's one of the jedi shows what you know about star wars. Well, I hope all right at the end of things Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure she's one of the many survivors of order 66 much like mace windu Except for the whole falling out of a building thing Everyone gets hung up on that and it's like oh as if mace windu couldn't have survived Yeah He obviously force saved himself force parachute It's one of the powers you have to learn is force save yourself. It's very useful.  I mean they brought back dark mall Palpatine. Why not bring back mace windu?      Let's throw some reveals in mace windu was palpatine the whole time, you know Why not or maybe maybe it was the was it the son or the um daughter of palpatine that was the Son of a oh, I don't remember. It's it's in a lore book somewhere Anyone have the lore book I don't think in the movie they specify that what you think would be like a Yeah, you'd think that that would be major like oh shit, which one Because if it was a girl that's lame, but if it was a guy, oh cool That's how it works, right? Also, my super blasters run out just before I get to this area with lots of evils They're super blasters.  Yeah, you jealous you're super Jastas that was a weird Oh, no, my shields are running out Uh-oh, this is just not coming up millhouse um Boy molly, I recently got my wisdom teeth removed a few days ago and while under nitrous oxide I got to critique the surgeons made up stories fun you What? so like They were talking and you were criticizing them or Or you what does does nitrous oxide knock you out? I thought it just calms you down It might knock you out.  Hey mubishly. How are you? I am good though. I spend most of my days just doing the worky tisms And chillin with friend of loonies watching different things ready for E fat movies and and and spend in some nice time with different Family and friends, you know, everything's pretty normal right now despite all of the lockdown tisms What's the next video you're working on for the boys season two kind of planning on turning it to shreds still in script form for that lots of Like structural issues with the script in terms of how to Deliver the criticism but uh getting there. Yeah.  I don't look at I really don't care whether or not someone agrees with that part I care if they think that um consistency is important in something and then not in something else. That's frustrating to fail Uh, so if you're gonna judge for example tlj For all of the flaws that people typically judge it by and at the same time be like it doesn't matter If these are present in things that I love then Is gonna be an issue whether or not you agree about um being objective about stories and How they're constructed means you have to care about uh continuity and cause and effect That's always down to uh individuals. However about spider-man 2 I've seen a lot of his arguments and they do seem pretty strong Uh, yeah Can't say that Like I'm in the position that he's absolutely wrong or anything. I fucking Agree with a lot of the stuff he sent me And it's just stuff that I hadn't really thought about that much Uh, for example, one of my favorite ones that I don't know if we ever brought up before rags, but do you remember Structpus is told by harry to go and tell peter to get spider-man Because that's the only way that he has access to him. They know that peter takes photos of him So they'll like are he's friends with spider-man. We'll get him to uh Uh, I guess spider-man to walk dark arc because he wants to capture him for harry I know that although it's hard to follow.  I don't know So um, that's like one and there's just a lot of things in those in those movies that I hadn't thought through I guess Also, this part is extremely clunky.  Yeah, that's what I mean. There's a couple things that were brought to my attention. I'm like, huh That isn't quite as solid as I remember it being And that happens everyone. It's totally cool. You could have a movie where you watch it and you're like, that's amazing Even for like a decade or specifically 12 years Especially if you came out that long ago and you were younger Yeah So it goes.  It's in the pipeline There's a couple actually who are in the pipeline and of course we had two new guys today So uh, don't worry new people on the rise All the time And uh rikita lawyer I've been if he's on board and we're on board. We'll probably find something Uh, again, I'm trying to throw a lightsaber from behind cover and it is not working No, okay, what is going on back there? See all those All the bug people they're sort of just chilling I don't want to go out there. I've got low power. Can I use force? Oh, I can okay Um Behind but I'm glad you didn't miss doing something in Lord of the Rings z4 Oh Lord of the Rings related for one one one from the title. Also jay was there. He's probably gone now though. Hi rags Wait, what am I missing? Why is one one one connected to Lord of the Rings? I can't think of it Chat why is one one one related to Lord of the Rings? Allison help us out The one ring I mean, that's not very uh specific um Bilbo's 111th birthday There you go. Yep. That was all intentional. Thank you Okay, okay Oh my goodness using force push just kills all of them. That's great Bonus objective complete. What was my bonus objective destroy at least 100 enemies. Oh, okay I'm so good at this game. I got the bonus objective without even realizing it. Are you jealous? Destroy it Dude the way that mace window backs away looks so funny.  Can I jump how old is this game 2000 I want to say 2002. Oh my god. I can strafe as a person.  Oh I wish I could regen health alas. No luck Uh Dunkey is a genetically failed clone of Diabeto I think you'd want to be a failed clone of Diabeto, right? Yeah, you don't want to be an unsuccessful clone Diabeto No maze window. Oh, I died. I'm so sorry mission failed Wow, but it's gene Not entirely sure I think that's just more opinions on whether or not gene is a table because the next one says definitely a table Yeah, why was the uh, apparently the japanese character that the uh, seven looking symbol represents Ah Supposedly It's funny that the paramount decrees have been struck down right when disney isn't financially able to take advantage of it Is that true I'm guessing they relate to paramount studios in relation to like ip's that disney could probably swallow up I don't know Yeah, I don't know the specifics, but um disney is in some trouble right now right in terms of just figuring out the paramount decrees Was a landmark united supreme court antitrust case that decided the fate of film suit owning their own theaters and exclusivity rights on which theaters would show their movies Interesting keep your distance from well. Yeah, uh, not the greatest time to be able to take advantage of that for disney, I suppose So the paramount decrees Were designed to order Studios to get rid of their ownership of theaters so that the studios weren't allowed to own their theater So apparently those have been lifted. So we're expecting disney theaters anytime now I I guess I don't know enough about it So cool.   It's obvious that table is the proper gene and any other belief is a lie And you'll be marked as a follower of hereticus.  I should have thought of that Um Miles Morales is technically its own game, but it has about as much content as the dlc for the original you Check out white light's most recent video. He makes reference to mohler jokingly, of course around the 10 minute mark He's also an excellent creator Uh, well, hopefully there's no Like super animosity there and he might be able to pop on efep sometime Talk about video games.  We're stuck in the tutorial mission for being human I'm sure it means something I feel like that's what school is I don't know. This is this is the tutorial. It's just the first mission I often associate whatever the first mission is with the tutorial.  Is it clunky? I mean, look at how awkwardly I move You are the bestest of boys mohler's okay, I guess I keep around, you know, I am okay with being okay He serves his purpose The running animation You Dude the way he throws the lightsaber too just like very serious about it, you know I've lost so much health this time much worse than last time.  All right Block it mace Okay, that was a bad idea.  Can I just walk past all these enemies?  Yeah. Well, I mean picture frames those go on walls. Those aren't scary I didn't well, I guess it's the the point of them being a particular thing that go on walls Rather than a painting because like I think paintings on the floor are creepier than when they're on the walls, you know Tripping hazard. Yeah. Yeah, and if you're living alone and there's like no wind or anything You're like, oh my goodness. Did someone do this? Like a spooky ghost that wants your teeth That's relevant The tooth fairy you mean No, a spooky ghost that wants the teeth is very different from that Oh, how do we know that the tooth fairy's not a ghost?  She's a little tooth fairy hq You didn't know this I see it That is the north pole. She's the south pole next next thing you're gonna tell me santa is Of course, that is a ghost.   Like he does so much more than the tooth fairy does He likes to appear in the background while you're sleeping Which is normal stop implying it's not Haha Rag google triumph of the will and read the cast names. I recommend it for e-fap movies lol Triumph of the will and then recommend. Yeah, read the cast names Uh, let's say, uh, nazi propaganda film pretty famous one. Let's see. All right. Are they funny names right here? I'll let you start. Okay Adolf hitler. Oh Yeah, joseph gerbils. Yay Rudolph hess. Yay orman gurring. Yay Richard walter dara. Yay hans frank Maybe uh, hindry kimmler. Yay. Oh, definitely. Oh, yes, the autodetric. Yeah, some of these are Yeah, any what's up? I killed all the big machines and now I win Hanzola What was that? What was his name in winter soldier something zola, right? Hanz, right? Here's a hanzola. Friedrich zola. Hello, Friedrich zola. Oh, hello. Hold on. Hello, big d. Oh, jeez He's meeting me.  He does not have the right scotch. Hi. Hi. What are you guys doing? Uh, we are in super chats now while also playing the clone wars on gamecube We're in super chutes. Nice Chewed him I think I just need to destroy these two and I win Oh, did I do it? Oh, they all look oh, dude, the enemies just look sad when I destroyed all of them. They just stated it like, oh, no Someone said I think it was supposed to be a non-force sensitive palpatine clone that was rey's father I have so many questions That raises more questions than it answers How did they do that? Was that like a little setting on the cloning machine? I think you can make them More sensitive yes or no. Yeah Oh, did I finish the mission? That was it. Okay. I am victorious Um rags all these are mini compared to rags. Hell, yeah Miles Morales is great demon souls remake is game of the year though. It's unbelievably good Probably my second favorite souls born game first being bloodborne. Whoa Keep it loose. Split the line of fire. Well, I look forward to checking it out someday when ps5s aren't as rare as I don't know. What's rare? Uh 30 vibranium vibra rare as vibranium. There you go Uh Here thou set our I'm fine with Joel in the last of us m2 expect the death scene All right.  That's awesome. Good. Yeah, some of these questions are really thought provoking No, bro. I'm talking about the amount of money. I rags is there a lot of audience engagement. It's really great I thought you were talking about the amount of red of Individual dollars like the amount of support. Oh, yeah, I'll be dope.  They're all right. They're all right.   What do you think is funny? I know maybe no, he's talking about the new hilarious black comedy medea Medea talks to ghosts No, it's straight up medium If you had so is an idea Laurel No, medea is While medea's personality and power is such that you can often confuse there would be a plurality Yeah, yeah, but she's really just one entity Also known to say mega entity After after her last summer blockbuster medea commits a hate crimes She really had to come back to something strong and I think that medea talks to ghosts is an excellent way to Get that going reconnect with your audience. Yeah The haunting of medea house medea visits The 9 11 memorial Medea reads statistics about uh, a certain type of Crime medea's amazing oschwitz adventure Yeah, I think we could workshop that title a bit, but I think there's something that medium d6 inches I mean like that sort of gives away the magic to give it an exact measurement, you know Yeah, medium in reference to what what's the what's the relativity here? Think well exactly like it's use your imagination. It's that's the magic Uh, we're we're just rags come from that's what I want to know Can you ride on people me? Yeah, no, that's not what I'm known for no They're like rags to riches like I came up with nothing like capitalism the american dream No, I was born into a decently well-off middle-class family That's pretty lit Yeah, it was pretty nice I mean, but like you can you can definitely come from like middle class Which is is certainly shrinking to Upper middle class and that's still like a pretty big deal Yeah, but that's not rags No, what is it? I would say it is because We're becoming middle class essentially the highest class right now is if you've made it to efab you are ascended Oh, I'm doing an escort mission. Those are always really fun Um So I was to read this one again. I will I will just read it out and see See if I can make sense of it here thou set Our I'm fine with Joel in the last of us m2 Expect the death scene I think that means Is how I'm fine with Joel in the last of us to accept the death scene Is that is that translation is half the fun as they say Yeah, um, it makes sense to me how Joel is simping for ellie because in real life They are so there are so many fathers who behave like that My problem is with ellie in the last of us one She understood that Joel didn't want to go with her because his trauma and she sympathized with him and told him I'm not sara, but in the last of us two She's acting like she doesn't know why Joel saved her and she doesn't care for his previous trauma and this game He's very different. At least Joel makes sense. I would still argue it doesn't make sense that Joel didn't work as hard to explain himself So, um, I I would just I I sort of do agree with you But just to play devil's advocate this isn't like this is an original idea of mine, but I wouldn't say I hold this Do you not steal? Uh, what? No, I'm brown. I steal Um, can you build doors? No, don't you know that? I didn't say that on stream. I don't even tell. Oh, yeah, I don't remember whether that was loud or no Um, what if ellie is, uh, repressing The trauma of the like stuff that happened then in the in the first game Just playing devil's advocate like what if Sorry, what if what? What if ellie is like repressing? Uh, the memories from last of us one to cope with the loss of joe And you need to show that develop these feelings as a defense mechanism Like you'd need references for that like you it would have to be in the game, right? I can't just Like we don't usually argue that a character is acting inconsistent because they have a mental Uh, let's say position that Would would wouldn't it would make that happen. For example, I wouldn't say that uh Luke in tlj makes sense because he has dementia But we need reference to that instead of it Okay seems as though she She's more than uh Aware of everything that happened in the previous game. I guess not so much. She's repressing or anything Yeah, no. Yeah, like I said, I wouldn't I wouldn't say I hold that I I wouldn't like defend that person I just like to play devil's advocate. What if someone said that? Well, that's what I would say Cool Margot Robbie on her pirates reboot lots of girl power We're really really excited that the prospect of adding obviously a very key female element to that world The writer is from birds of prey Oh, yeah pirates loved women Oh, yeah That's so weird last night. I like marathoned all the pirates of the caribbean uh video essays. I could find Why?   That's like wow wait, so that's what that is. Yeah, that's happening I'm not entirely sure why I think that's the way to go. But hey, hold on girls get it done. Yeah girls do get it So she's not just playing like uh, Elizabeth swan No, no, we're getting parts the caribbean again, but this time women Because if you're telling a story that should be your priority, you know whether or not it's men or women Oh, yeah, and and also minorities whether or not it's it's race or other race Well, yeah, that's gonna be a problem. If there's mainly just white women. I am going to be complaining So like female jack sparrow female will turn her um I don't know if they're gonna be doing that rather than just old new characters. They're all just focused on women Half the crew isn't trans then I'm gonna boy. God. It's gonna be so funny if they did that Male and obviously like yeah, Jane's barrel or something.  Hey, you want a pirate movie about women? You think pirates like really raped that much Or like no probably because they didn't have the opportunity often Yeah, they're into men like on ships.  I think men Well, I mean it's because what pirates really did was just like, you know attack other ships out at sea There weren't like a no they didn't they were fun people who drank and would sing songs They're like, yes, it's our lucky day Um, well, so like why I would argue that I I have no idea. I have no way to back this up, but I would Well, I think I have a point for it, but I don't have a store go ahead. All right, but go ahead. Whatever That's a weird thing all all female pirates Yeah, I agree Yeah, and it's gonna be a weird thing and lots to see how it does Oh, I blew that up sweet No, um, oh it spawns infinite enemies if I don't too. So that's just lots of pluses Uh kick rags and hijay. What is this? Just playing yourself the mirror unitary culprits. Yeah Horrifying in its own way. Oh did we win? Oh, I don't worry the election shakes out the only way to oh, whoever the election shakes out The only way to restore confidence is for all of the affected states to immediately overhaul their electoral systems Don't know what made them say that We didn't talk about that at all every frame of politics.  He may be a fan of your show Really? Oh wow zack snider. You're welcome to come on to every frame of pause so we can talk about Just whatever we'll talk about the snider cut and what we think about it Unfiltered it'll be great Yeah, the fact that we both said it would be great at the same time is pretty much 100 assurance by the way When have we ever been wrong about anything and when have we ever been mean to anyone about anything in a non-constructive way? I'd say that that's all we do so Come on in character for us. Yeah Whoa Just super positive and constructive and that's why everyone who has anything to say about you. It's really positive positive Dude, look at this intense battle. This is the clone wars. Whoa Let them go They're like they almost seem like ants, you know It's intense this battle is Oh, so little clones. They seem like ants This is so warped on ants Needs to be at least Three times this Those clones are really just oh, I gotta play this. Okay If if h bomber guy would come on would you have him? Sure? Yeah, right? Let's talk about uh, how gs2 is actually terrible Oh Really? Oh wait dark. So I'm sorry. Uh, what about um Shit, uh the one with the plague in russia.  Yeah Yes And it runs pretty well Oh, I'm dying Oh, I have lasers too. Jesus I feel so OP in a good way. Okay. I'll just talk holding down my attack buttons, and I'll probably win Um Baller flies now A pair of scissors is the irregular usage singular of scissors hand me scissors is equal to hand me a pair of scissors same with pants Yes Colloquial use you could say for an irregular podcast it makes sense Oh, we failed because one ship got away you really wow chill game someone will handle it in space Okay captain perfecto over here I gotta do everything in this team Since you already did the vaporeon copypasta. I can request this without feeling weird look up and read off the asoka copypasta You can request it doesn't mean we have to read it Yeah It's probably good one was weird enough. It really was I'm gonna google that Are you guys like into pokemon at all?    What like garden war? Garden for I don't I'm not into whore What about bore? So there's a there's a pokemon that's like a big uh Snail dragon like without a shell how incredibly unappealing You would say you would think so right?   I don't understand Well, you know people can be with Yeah, no, absolutely that explains basically all the stuff we have to come across these people want to express their sadism through pokemon Oh Why did I click on that? I mean it's it's a pokemon.  I am currently he's the pokey file.  We're gonna step them up in terms of their responsibility. I think they should hold their weight Nope that didn't work. Oh, yeah, there we go. So that's gudra.   It's weird.    Oh really? Yeah Well, are you are you like unironically like uh, are you talking about what am I on a ride? I've not I would know not me Okay, that stuff's gross. I would never do that. How you doing Jay? What happened while you were gone? So basically I have set myself like goals of editing. I want to get done every day And uh before I came when he peppered and finished it so I just finished it and came back Good for you.  So you want to cook that trip with those annoying people quota? Yeah, you make that content Create that content Jay so basically When I have like a project this bay to get out at a certain deadline I have to Because normally like the thing motivating me to keep working is that I get to post like Relatively soon work within a matter of a couple of weeks. This is a matter of months. So I just have to make sure that I am scheduling my work because I don't have that release date in sight yet Were you successful jade you achieve? Yes Do I think sometimes yeah, I've been meaning to do it more. Um, do you think that the video could Like the things you want to say could be said faster Then in four hours like I understand that your vision is like in four hours But that's just the length I see it being yeah, I'm gonna try and see it I'm gonna try I'm not gonna try and like optimize it for speed or anything But I think that is um, I'm not like artificially extending it for anything. I think that's the uh And that's just an estimate for how long it's gonna end up being based on how long it is already With and the percentage of what I've actually got to say That I've got said so far. So it's currently uh 40 minutes drafted Some of that edited properly and it's 40 minutes That's yeah 40 minutes 40 minutes um And I estimate based on that it's going to be like three to four hours Wait And that's uh, it's a long minute. Do you want to release it Christmas day? Is it? Oh Um, I'm gonna release it on the same day Is the plan as the next talk to you special which they haven't done the release They haven't published the release date for yet um It's a festive special so it's going to be at some point in december or uh, and it's likely um It's likely either going to be on christmas or new year's day. We technically isn't in december, but it's it's close enough If you didn't like shippinal dr You be on the lookout for like the most comprehensive video on the topic Wow So you just I don't know anything about it, but I will probably watch it Is it approachable if I've never watched the doctor who show can I watch this video and know what's happening? Yeah, I'm doing my best to make it approachable. It plus the part I'm reviewing basically acts as a soft reboot for the show Anyway, so it's all about these new new characters. They were introducing which you know, you don't need to know like uh 60 years of law to pick up and when I talk about like contradictions to stuff that's come before I will introduce and establish like what has come before I won't just say like Well, that contradicts the flavin orbs And then jay leave it hanging. Well, don't not talk about the flavin orbs. Cause I like my favorite Wait, shouldn't it be doctor whom? Well, you know, really they should be a question mark in the title Cause it is a question pretty spooky I haven't seen his license cultural appropriation and it should be a chinese person Doctor whom stood doctor wu dr. Wang dr. What? Wags that course budget courseman made that joke Dr. Wang No, they had a character in a cold doctor who Oh, what's the joke? Um, it's like it's aq. He's asian. Yeah. Yeah, that's the joke Doctor who h u? Oh, okay Okay No, I they make some jokes with I still don't know what the joke is they uh, I don't remember what they do specifically But it is more than just uh Than just having a character with that name Oh, I I remember what it is. I remember what it is.  Which one do you think? Um, that makes one that I don't remember And the third star wars movie Oh, yeah, another life No, I think in a return of the jay, nine episode nine Oh, so the ninth The third or the third of the latest The third of the third The third of the third I'm doing stuff. Oh, I got another protection emission Or you don't like admitting admitting protection I don't like protecting people. I like destroying them because I'm a sadist I thought you said uh A protection in mission. You mean like protectione mission Like a mission that is protectione. I got it. It's just not funny. I can't do anything with it. Jay. I'm sorry No, that I was gentle. I was a genuine Thing that happened in my brain You also said E Yeah, that's a good thing E fat Has anyone ever made that joke? I like that joke With the E meme? Yeah, with the E meme Is that the Thaqua Machiplier thing? Yeah Yeah, what does that mean? How does it work? Well, you've got uh, the whole Thaqua in the Machiplier and it goes E Why is it at least like millennial memes? Uh Aren't you a millennial?  Millennials are like the oldest people who make memes That is incorrect. I, Gen X makes terrible memes There you go.    Jacksepticeye I don't know why I'm forgetting names Is it bad that his eye is septic?   Yeah If you're talking about like microphones You might say that The one that makes You've got like a really shitty microphone That makes like really tinny sound It doesn't pick up any bottom end And it makes a lot of distortion right And you've got one real crisp Real top of the line microphone You might say that one of them is objectively better than the other And to most people You would communicate the ideas that you're trying to Very effectively Yeah Let's see Let's see you're an artist And you're looking to make a A different effect with your microphone You're not looking for crisp audio You're looking for Let's say you're making a film And you want a microphone to record your walkie-talkie audio Or something right Then the same standards don't apply to you And you've got a different Set of microphones that you're looking for Now if everyone is looking for microphones It isn't reasonable to Call the standard objective Because That's more of a trend than the standard itself Yeah, it's reasonable For the objective depending on who you're talking to But The standard itself Isn't universally understood So you may need to clarify further When you say this is objectively X You may need to clarify what the standard You're using is I thought you always need to do that just in case Yeah, you always should clarify your standards But When you're saying that something is objectively bad That's always short-hand for it to be able to be a standard Yeah, I think that's fine It's just I'm always curious what the person is referring to Exactly If the standard isn't widely understood You need to communicate that standard as well One bollaging But I think Rags was talking about standards Outside of just opinions And you, Jay We're talking about standards within opinions Well, yeah, I mean if someone said What standard are you talking about for the square And Rags says the four sides thing and then they go Oh, well I disagree that that's the standard for square Rags and be like I don't care that you disagree Yeah, I think it's something Whether they care about it or not doesn't mean anything Yeah, the idea that you can have An opinion about facts is just Non-sense Also we'd be talking about two completely different concepts At that point If your definition of a square is not A shape that has four equal sides on it Then You and I are talking about A totally different concept And what we call it doesn't even matter at that point Yeah Like people There needs to be agreement on definitions For conversation to be have And people are like Your definition is different so I'm going to argue Based on my own You can define it whenever you get a discrepancy You can still have the communication effectively Well, okay, so This is obviously like a contentious example I don't want to get too much into it The example of racism If one person thinks it's Discrimination based on race And that's it And then there's other people that might be arguing Like oh no it's like systemic and has to Power whatever the other I don't know what the full argument is Then you're having an argument about the definition Of still talk As if each of their definitions is correct And will not Accept the definition of the other person And I feel like that happens a lot more lately Sure Yeah I can get behind that Please listen to the throne trilogy It made me love Star Wars again That is usually the one that gets touted as being Like the best one of the EU content right Throne trilogy I feel like just So much Star Wars content that like gets But always amazing By the loads of people ends up being garbage I don't want to try the throne trilogy In case you don't like it Especially because I hear all the time How great the Clone Wars is And I hear Theo talking about it Wow so Theo's lies Have managed to convince rags that The Clone Wars isn't good My point of view, the Theo is right Wow rags Believing someone who's tricked you That shows your mental fortitude doesn't it Terrible But seriously though The Clone Wars I think When the episode came out or the arc ended For whatever the latest thing was It was an EFAP episode where I was talking about How amazing it was that it was getting 10 out of 10s across the board Reviews And I just, I think you can account for a lot of it With how the sequel trilogy Is fucking terrible And anything that isn't that Gets a lot of positive feedback But it's a little bit weird Because even like Mandalorian Suffers heavily from Writing bullshit Oh yeah it's writing is terrible It's world-building is atrocious And it's writing is terrible And the plot is nonsensical basically Already gotten messages and ads being like Please tear down season 2 Because some people are saying it's great and it's just like Damn people already want us back for a You know Mandalorian is back on the menu boys Is there a 2 episode? There's not only like 2 episodes No I think it's either 4 or 5 now Wow My convo is getting torn apart Jay do something Jay do something Jay Ah For the love of god Jay I need it I need this needs to be multiplayer And you guys can help me that's the only way this would work It has co-op originally didn't it Yeah but I don't know how to set that up Look that's That is unfortunate I feel like you kicked the CIS ass ranks You fucking melt them with all these wings We would definitely Wait I have to play as the Republic No I know right At least it's not as bad as Mandalorian where The Republic are clearly the bad guys Did you guys Ever play the The Battlefront games Like the older ones Yeah Well I bet They aren't That's all I know Yeah I definitely have fun with them too But I'd be actually pretty willing to say That they're bad games that are designed poorly I imagine the map design Is pretty good still it's the AI That I'd have the most criticisms for Yeah map design I remember it being okay The AI is horrible And the weapons are incredibly unbalanced That's funny It's almost like a power fantasy What What are you thinking of when you say that specifically Like it just lets You be incredibly good with no You know even like the tentative balance True you can play against like other humans right You can yeah But I feel like that just lets all the cheese Come out People in chat Doctor who hunts You feel like They're like on a delay and they haven't realized that you have Probably not that much of a delay I was I mean if you've been watching for hours And you have like mediocre internet Sometimes it does get delayed that much True Yeah that's happening to me I'm just killing things at this point in this map I don't even know if I'm doing this right Oh I've lost another ship in the combat That's probably bad Jay do something Ain't she a beautiful sight You know I am doing stuff and Quite frankly if I hadn't been doing it You would have lost several more ships And I'm being underappreciated Okay how convenient for you Like manually or does it automatic Oh that's me um accidentally doing it I feel like the first person View is not something I want Ever Feels super awkward in first person I can imagine Like just looking at it looks Really awkward Yeah Fuck you airship Bonus objective complete Star Wars? Like a post-scare Society?   Two black people Jesus Christ see it I thought it was woke but damn Like you guys are just reminding me it is super woke And you know the white guy The mean like the white guy The only white guy on the show The only one yeah No the other three I found an excavation site Well I mean like miles Um Don't count And then you've got the two I'm blanking on their names The dad and the uncle Yeah the dad and the uncle Black guy miles Loretta No no no the white guy's got miles Oh How could they that's cultural appropriation Amy Grant We just goes a long way I'm surprised I haven't heard people Like save it like the last of us too Is like SJW Oh yeah I hear that all the time Yeah Maybe I'm not like listening that much I've just heard people talking about it that it's not good Oh it's terrible I played it Yeah it was like compared to the first one It's nowhere near good Her husband Her husband as well He's a pretty alright guy That's who I meant Yeah he seems like an upstanding dude He just gets the real shot on the stick He really, yeah it's not a long stick I'll agree with that How did you feel about Ellie being gay Uh guys I don't care that's fine So that's not what makes it SJW world pandering I don't I don't call the last of us to SJW world pandering that's not really something I say about it You know what? Yeah you're right I asked two separate questions I'm sorry It's just terrible from a writing perspective And the gameplay can be super cheesed And it isn't mechanically consistent Dude like five separate people in chat Have just type wait, Ellie is gay?   Is he a rat?    Because Nintendo is fucking always does the shit But people give them a pass for it It doesn't make sense to me Like what is their motivation for my poor friend Because they're fucking Nintendo and they're fucking stupid Why would they not want to still make money From like old games To continue making money My assumption would be they're not seeing the value Here in terms of like what I can do for them as a company Because honestly capitalist perspective They should just let it go I actually think they see like a loss in sales When people are doing this Or something All those people who would have thought Super Smash Bros. Melee or just Not incredibly successful game It's a weird one I assume it's to do with them being like Hey this is our IP You play it in places I don't know some lawyer made a mistake Dude it's turning a game that like Is made in Nintendo Zero revenue right now And making it be a Fairly big revenue stream for them If they instead of shutting down tournaments Say hey we're gonna throw our own fucking tournaments I'm gonna knock out two convoys Why do I have to do everything in this game What's that about Jay's just doing it now Wait what did you just say Jay I'm piercing and shitting and coming On the enemies Or on me because that's not gonna help They weren't using a hacking engine I think it was just to give it like Local co-op or something It was something along those lines It was like a split screeny Like connection sort of thing that they hacked into it And that was what they used it for It wasn't like an in-game Hacker at some time I would be at the point now Where whatever someone's doing to that game Is fine It's so fucking old They're just upset that people hold on to the good one Yeah Love these new ones aren't good It's just interesting that this is the one that everybody Sticks with This is the competitive one Yeah everyone just fucking adores the mechanics in it We bring this up every time it comes up But it's just the thing I remember I started running around And I fucking tripped over myself I was like what the hell is this And my friend was like yeah you don't move too fast Too quickly otherwise you'll trip What It seems like a flaunting mechanic Well it's to discourage Something I don't know what Why don't we just Load the player movement speed Maybe someone in chat knows why Why don't we just not trip Cause gay tripping is gay Yeah Now one thing I will say is that Back when I was active on the day Z There was a lot of interesting discussions there But um There were some people who said That it is a It would be a good mechanic If um You Every once in a while Your character would just like randomly sprain Their ankle I was against this Cause some people really want that game To be like a hardcore Super hardcore simulator Right I understand With your character What are you walking around just randomly sprain in your leg Yeah that sounds like a ga