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This young lady right here, a man is doing so much for the community. She's definitely outstanding. We about to get it all up in a Kool-Aid and try to figure out the flavor. That's what we do over here, man. Leticia Scott Jackson is in the building. What's going on? Listen, I am a lady to be on tonight. Let me tell you something. God is so phenomenally amazing. Anytime I can get an opportunity to just share about who I am and why I do what I do, I'm just elated always and I'm glad you all offered to help me here on tonight. That's good, it's a blessing, but I always love to hear where you come from because everybody has a story. Everybody's testimony that can help somebody. No matter young, old, it can bless somebody. So we'd love to hear your story. You're born and raised in Louisiana? Yes. Well, I was born in Houston, Texas. Oh, in Houston? Yeah, it's raised in Shreveport, Louisiana. Okay. How you born, well, Shreveport and Houston, not that far. No. So when you were born out there, your parents was living in Shreveport at the time or how did that work? They were living in Houston, they were living in Houston actually. So how old were you when you were raised and when you moved to Shreveport? Oh, I was newborn. I mean, they moved like right, I guess. Why did they go to Shreveport? Your guess is good, it's mine. I don't know. The preacher had a gas station, my daddy had all kinds of stuff going, so I'm not really sure. Entrepreneur? Yes, he was an entrepreneur. As well as he worked too, he was a worker bee, I'd say that all the time. I tell people my daddy died of broke preacher, you know what I mean? But it's not happening. He wasn't broke because then if you... Well, I'm not talking about financially. I'm talking about spiritually, you know what I mean? Spiritually. You ain't broke. I was just meant to say, listen, not spiritually because he was saved. I'm talking about, he just didn't set what we know now and what I'm teaching them is what I really wish someone would have talked to me when I was younger.  Even today, there's a lot of people who don't teach their kids financial literacy. They don't even give them the game and game applied means elevation.  You really, the steps of a good man is all about a Lord. So wherever he ended up and whatever knowledge that God decided to let him have is totally on him. You know what I mean? So at the end of the day, I went searching for the word when my mom passed because I wanted to know why she was so loving God so much but really wasn't to me that in tune with what the word of God was saying. But God has a way of dealing with, the most spiritual gospels that they used to say. It's something about a song and the way that the feeling that you get. The delivery of it in which you get what you get. In the situation you're going through, your most slaves, that old stuff that they went through meant something. It really pretty much spiraled and turned and moved us into entrepreneurship. That one old slave that used to be in the big house that helped us to understand how people were supposed to live in a place where people are pretty much understanding how to maneuver in different situations where economy and all that stuff take place. So when I look at it, I really thank God for our ancestors. Oh, I'd most definitely. And some of the stuff that they faced because without them we wouldn't be who we are today. Well, I say that and I mean it in a loving way but in the same token, my dad raised us, right? He said train them up in the way that they should go. So he always saw the best in me, even though I had some crazy stuff going on. I was a city center sometimes. But he always saw the best in me. But like you said, they didn't, I don't think they really knew. I think he wanted to be an entrepreneur because he tried to open so many different businesses. And he did okay, but it still never made ends meet. Mine was the same way. It was just a different time too when you start to look at the times. Like for my dad, it was just where he was. But he had his own business, but he just, he didn't do, of course they do what they do so we can do better, right? Makes sense. At least they were trying because they didn't fall in that same category where like, let me go work for this man and just focus on that because that's a steady income.  It's certain that I can go over here and get this check and pay my bills. That's a lot of people. I get there from a lot of people when I'm doing life coaching and when I'm speaking at different events, the people will come up to me when I'm done. And the first thing they'll say is, you inspired me. I've been scared to step out on faith. But faith without works is dead. But you've never always been like this. Still into a childhood. Yeah, we're gonna get into a childhood. I wanna tell the people where she from and all that stuff like, what part of the city she come out of and all that. And I was raised in Shreveport and by way of Cedar Grove, Louisiana, I always call it Cedar Grove, Louisiana. This was on my Facebook page. Cedar Grove, Louisiana. Yeah, so that's why I was raised in... You used to be all up on Juella and all her and all that. Yeah, I used to be all over there. All through them streets. Back in the days, gang violence was bad when you was in the 90s. After, but by the time the 90s came, I had already done so much crazy stuff in Shreveport. My dad moved to Menden. We were in the country for real. But all my people are from Jack quarters. Okay. So, he moved to Menden and that was just even worse. What's the craziest thing you've done in Shreveport? He said you did a lot of crazy stuff back then. Tell me a story or something you did. Well, this time, when he moved me to the country, I was just in the ninth grade. And so I'm now trying to... I'm playing piano for the quartet group and I'm playing for the church and I'm playing basketball and I'm making the underroll and I'm running track and I'm doing all this stuff. But I wanted to be in a gang with my friends and my homeboys and I thought this was what it was about. So I was rebellious. You know, my dad go to sleep after when I go with the gun and I'm trying to fight and I get caught at school with a gun. I'm an underroll student. What enticed you so much about the streets? It really was just the... I guess I don't wanna say the connection, but I think it was just the fact that I just wanted to do what everybody else was doing at that time, but I wanted to be the leader. Like I don't wanna just do it. I wanna see what y'all doing so I can outdo y'all, but that didn't work for me. So my dad stopped that real quick. What was your blue or red? Red. Yeah, yeah. And you were young and it was really popping in those areas. Exactly. And then he wasn't doing nothing constructive nor conducive stealing and doing all these crazy stuff throwing rocks at people at 18. It was nothing conducive. It was just the fact that the people that I knew were doing it and I thought that's what I wanted to do. But my mom was 14 years younger than my dad and she only had my sister and I. So she talked them into moving to the country where it's church, where his church was amended. So we moved to the country. So once we moved to the country, it was a wrap on the gang stuff that was over with. Okay, you couldn't go back and forth. How I was gonna get there? Because he's so young. How did you hit your first bump in the road though? Like how did you end up getting called up in criminal activity? Well, here's the deal. Once, even though we moved there when I was 14, we moved there when I was 14. And being from Cedar Grove, my babysitter's grandson was like the kingpin in Cedar Grove. And he was the first person that I ever saw with the Mercedes. And he had the table in the middle. And I was like, that's what I want. I don't know how I'm gonna get it, but that's what I want. And his cousin was, his first cousin was like my best friend from kindergarten on up. So he ended up giving me a, we went there, my brother and I for a backyard party. My dad wouldn't let my brother go without me.  Take Chuck with you, that's my nickname, Chucky. Take Chuck with you, cause you gotta be back. And I ended up connecting with him, my brother left with somebody with a girl and didn't come back on time. And I gotta curfew, I gotta be back and mending from Cedar Grove. At a certain time now I need to ride 35 miles back to the house, you know? So he ended up giving me a ride home and he made a stop. He already had people in that city working for him.  So you're seeing everything? I was tripping. When I be, let me tell you something, when I'm life coaching, I tell people all the time, the enemy is so deceptive, so manipulative.  So when you, when this evidently back in the 90s, you know, cause I'm a real life hustler. Back in the 90s, this was, you've seen him, he was dropping off ounces, bigs. He was doing. What was he doing? Quarter keys. No, he was doing keys. Well, this particular, I didn't know what I was seeing, but he was doing powder and then they had to cook it up and then they had to cut it up. Yeah, they, what they used, baking soda? All that good stuff. Yeah, yeah. And then when they cooked it, did they do it on the stove in the microwave? They did it on the stove. I eventually learned how to cook. Of course, she was a cook eventually, but when that day, when you went in there, how was it to see that activity? It scared the mists out of me. Because she didn't know what it was and what they were doing at that time. And then I'm looking at the one lady trying to jump out the window with the window. And that's what I was just about to say. What she trying to jump out for? Your guess, good as mine. I said this, that's why I say, when I talk to people to encourage them, the enemy is just like when I used to sell Craig, Craig would make you think you can when you know you can't, you can't jump out the window with the window down crazy. So when they was in there, of course, were they doing drugs? Did you see the pipe? They were doing all kinds of stuff there. So they were, so some people hitting the pipe in there? They were doing everything. Okay, so they were tricking. But they cooking and doing it. They had somebody in the kitchen doing one thing and some people in there waiting. But how you can have a productive business? I'm gonna get into that. Like, was he on it? He wasn't on it. So he basically was organizing. That's all. So he the man. They know he the man. They know when he come in, he the man. That's just one of his houses. Exactly. Top of it. I like that. Okay, now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm trying to figure out how you, because then if he the man, and you were in a productive business so-called, anybody that you have there, isn't that why when I watch, I get things off of movies. Yeah, I don't. I lived it. I know you lived it, but what I'm saying is that when you, you see people that are doing all that, they make sure that they're naked. They make sure that they're not stealing anything. You know what I mean? They're not stealing anything. No, they ain't doing that. They ain't doing that. That's the movies. Because if you taking it, I mean you taking some of my product that I could have sold. No, no, no. No, for me, for me. Okay. When you get there and you got people there, a lot of these people know you, they respect you, even though they own drugs, they still can operate. So you got leaders in the midst of this too, that's own drugs that respect you so much, they'll do anything for you. They'll, and that's the way it be. Now you might have some people there that's real blown gone smokers, but you got some other people there that's pretty much cool, you know, they might smoke, but they gonna make sure nobody take nothing from you. And it can be two or three of them. Am I right or wrong? But she took a lot from the one he hooked me up with. She took a lot. That's because she knew I didn't know what I was doing. She, she, okay.  Like I'm, I'm climbing out the window when my daddy go to bed and I'm on the corner. Yeah. And I'm hustling and, and thinking I got it going on and she was really big. Because she had to cook it for me, she had to give it to me and I had to distribute. Let me go back. So did she, because we didn't really get into detail when I was talking, talking about the whole situation you walked into when you went over there with it. But then she must be a pointed girl that he linked you with and said y'all rock out together. And she was from LA. So she was from LA. She was from LA and was she on dope or she wasn't on dope? She eventually, at first she wasn't. She wasn't, I know it. But she eventually, y'all know. But she had been in the game for a while so she continued. She was city slick. Right. So when she was, you say she was pinching off all of the stuff. Yeah. So did she give me what she, because she know I don't know. So did she give me what she wanted to give me? Then when it's time for me to pay him, I pay him and I never was like, oh, I got this much in savings, this much in savings. So one time he was like, y'all how much money you got saved? And when I told him he was like, what the, why is that all the money you got saved? I was like, well, that's all the money I made. You know? At that time playing for the church, I was only getting $25 a Sunday. So when he gave y'all a portion, how much was he giving y'all when this thing first took off? Like when he would give it to her and you y'all had it, how much was he giving you? He would give it to me and I would take it to her to cook it for me. Okay. So he would give me like three ounces. And she just thought I'm like three ounces. And then I just thought it. And I know because I've always had an anointing on my life. So I didn't like doing it. I just wanted the money. So every time I would sell to the crackheads or whatever, I would just go around the corner and I throw up or when I go in on my knees crying, asking God to forgive me. This is the truth. It's in my book. And I was just like, this is not what I need to be doing. My daddy going to kill me if he found out. He going to mass murder me on the spot and I don't care where I'm at. So eventually I told him, I'm like, y'all look, I don't like dealing with them people. Like they stink. They make me sick. I'm sick of this, but I need the money. I don't need the money. I want the money. Because we had a roof over our head. We had food, had clothes, going to church every Sunday, going to school every day. And how old were you at this time now? 16. Still 16, okay. And going on 17 basically. So then he said, he think he said, oh, he just found another way for me to, he was like, okay, I'll just let you sell to the people that sell to them. So I'm like, okay, cool. And that's where it went. Then by the time I got 19 fast forward, I had already got two four in it. So now I already got a distribution charge because- Oh, you got caught up? This girl, no. Well, it was my, when I'm, somebody that we knew, I don't understand it. Somebody that we knew came to me and she didn't know that this man was undercover. So she getting sales on me. So you got an indictment. An indictment. Yeah. So at 19, going into at 18. At 18. So then I'm going into 19, when you got your indictment, what did your dad say? Cause I know it was in the paper, right? Yeah. People would know about it. Yeah, they had to, no, no, let me back up. So I got the, I got the busted before I got the indictment. Oh, okay. So that's when he found out for the first time, what you were doing, or he knew? Well, he didn't really, I think he knew, but he didn't want to know. My mama like never, and both of them are deceased, but my mama never gave me like the benefit of the doubt. Like she already knew Chuck, I was doing something. And my sister was a mama's girl, but my dad was always, I was a daddy's girl. So by the time I got 19, I'm pregnant with my son. I'd already had my oldest daughter at 16, going on 17. And so the people come to, they come to set me up for five ounces. Yeah. But I got all this stuff in my dad's house. I always thought I was slick.  None of my, a lot of people call me Chuck and some people call me slick. So I always thought I had more sense than everybody, right? So I put the drugs in my daddy car cause I'm like, he the preacher.  I was crazy. That's why I said I was a city center just thinking I could sell drugs Monday through Saturday. And as long as I respected the Sabbath day, I would never go to prison. I'm telling you this, what I thought mama. And that's what you thought. My whole life. Yeah.  I wouldn't do nothing on Sunday. 12 o'clock midnight Saturday, I'm back in the house. My curfew was 10. I was back in the house at 10. And every time whenever you're doing what you're doing during the week and you knew that it was wrong, you'd go in and repent. And repent.  So when you, when you was doing this and you get the indictment or you get busted, where is this guy at? Is he taking care of business? Would you making sure you go in? Well, no, I was done with him back then. I'm dealing with him. Now you're dealing with him. You're dealing with him. Oh, you got to straight up connect with somebody. But why LA? Because we had it down here.  And then I had some people. You didn't have no connect down here. And I had a connect in Houston and I was doing both of them at the same time. Of course, yeah. Yeah, that's where it be, but yeah. So I'm driving back and forth to Houston and then when they ain't got nothing that I'm doing something else. So, you know, and they got me messed up a couple of times, you know what I'm saying? So long story short, my dad goes to take my mom to work. And by the time you come back, I mean, the task force was already at the house. No, they already had set up a plan to catch me that day. I was nine months pregnant, seven months pregnant with my son. So somebody already been watching because you they've been watching because I'm terrible. I was terrible. So they come in where the guy comes in first and not going to go like, yo, check. I want the five ounces. So I'm like, okay, I'm pregnant. And I'm like, when I get to the door with him, he was like, oh, that's already changed my mind. That don't sound right. It didn't make sense to me. So he's like, yo, I'm sewing stuff around the corner so I can get them for 35 and get five for 35. I'm like, but you been getting them for me for a grain of pop. Like, so, okay, well, go get them from him. I ain't got time for that. I'm already pregnant, miserable. I had just got back from Houston. I'm hot. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got time for that. Go, okay, bye. Then about 30 minutes later, he come back. He not going to do it. Yo, I changed my mind. He was just giving the people time to get there. I didn't know that at the time. By this time, my dad's pulling up in the yard from taking my mom to work. So when he comes in the yard, he parking the car in the driveway was like behind it. You know, the old houses, like down the driveway. Yeah, yeah. But the people coming through the front door. And when they come in the door, they just get him out the car and bring him in the house. And he just looked at me. He had tears in his eyes. And he was like. So the police brought him in. How did you feel? I wanted to die. Like this man don't see no wrong in me. None whatsoever. And now I'm thinking like, they not going to find the three keys in the trunk. And then I got 18 ounces of powder in there. So you got three keys in the trunk. In his trunk. Three key loads. I already cooked. I already cooked. Out of order. And then. Why would you do it in the house? Cause normally. They were already cooked when I got there. Yeah. But why would you even have the drugs at your house? And not somewhere else? Because I was at my dad's house. That's a preacher. So I'm thinking like, they not going to ever come in here. Yeah, okay. Got you. So I thought I was out snicking them Three keys of cocaine in the trunk. And the five ounces. And the five ounces. And then I had $3,000 worth of $20 rocks. Yeah. Did you have any cash on you? I didn't have no cash on me. Are you having guns? I had just gold. No guns. No guns. Okay. Wow. And that's the crazy part. Cause that's the way it be. And she was more happy in the end too. If the laws hadn't came, cause she had gold and she was comfortable with the dope that she had. Man, she was happy. You know what I'm saying?  You knew you had power. And so my dad comes in and they put him on his knees and I'm sitting on the couch cause I'm big and pregnant or whatever. And so he just looked at me and they were about, they were about to leave without the three keys. They were just going to leave with the five ounces and the $3,000 worth of rocks. And this one man just come like out of nowhere. Like he was from Bolivia. So why are you emitting? What you doing way down here looking for me? And what'd he say? He said, we didn't search the cars. My daddy said, where your car keys? And I had a Z-28 Iraq at the time. That's what we were driving. Hawaiian blue. Hawaiian blue. My daddy was like, give him the keys. He's just looking at me. I'm like, don't give him your keys. You said I give him my keys. But he don't know cause he had his car there. He had driven my mama car. So his car was still just sitting there? Yeah, he was a ribber ever. So his car was there but he had taken my mom to work in the other car. So when they searched the car and they came in there, that man was like, cause let me tell you something crazy. The whole time he thought Chuckie was a boy because my nickname is Chuckie. Who gave you that nickname? My daddy when I was born. Why? Well, I was with Chuckie. Because he wanted me to be a boy and I wasn't a boy. So he just started calling me Chuckie and I just still ended up being leticia by my mom. But, so we... Three keys in his trunk. So he was just looking at me and he looked at the many people. And so they take, they handcuff both of us, of course. And they take us down and he just like, when we get in the little room, he was like, I'm just gonna take the charge. They'll give me probation. That's what he told you.  You got too much talent. You got too many gifts. I can't read music. I play all this stuff by ear. I write songs by members. I mean, I just make a story. You give me a name. I can write a song in two minutes. So God has given me all these talents and I took the hands that he blessed me with and just did some crazy stuff. Yeah. Destroyed people's lives. And that's just the truth. That's what's great. Your daddy took a three key. How much did they charge him with? They charged him with like, they didn't even charge him with the whole key. When people thought I beat him, I think dope. Cause he was like, oh yo. I think it was like a key and a half. They gave him 15 years though. Probation or pen? No, pen. So he went to the prison. Yes. 15 years.  So 15 years he had to do behind the three key. Well he did, almost nine years. How did you feel when you heard that? I wanted to, I was like, oh no. Y'all cannot do this. And you didn't try to come up and be like, I told him that. He was like, they not gonna do that, Chuck.   Just, I'm gonna do it. Because at this time in the state, they didn't even send him to the faith, they sent him to the state. So they could, his church members could go and they would pack picnic baskets and make him sweet potato pies. That was his favorite.  So they didn't turn their back on him? Yeah, what unit was it? The church people, they didn't turn their back on him at all. What unit was it? Winfield, Louisiana. Winfield, Louisiana. Yeah. He just went there at the time. And then he got out and he died. Did you? How long after? Go ahead, I'm sorry. Like four years, like four years back, I had my daughter, she was four when he died. So like four years after, after he got out. So when he did the 15 years, how long were you locked up at that time? I had never got locked up, that's what I'm sayin'. He took the charge. He took the whole charge. But watch this. I get secret in Dottie the very next year by the feds. Wow. They were after you from the get-go. That's just, my dad had told me that.  If you don't stop what you're doing, then I lied to him. I was like, I promise I'm gonna stop. Because even after all of that and how you felt when he went and how many years he got knowing that he was a preacher, you still didn't stop. I stopped for like 30 days, because he asked me to. And I was like, I tried. So why did you go back? Because that's all I wanted to do. That's all she knew. And I say all I knew, I've always had a hustle mentality. That's right. And I always wanted to make some money. It was basically all I knew, but that's what I wanted to do. You know what I'm saying?   Not even a year. So you wasn't even out a year, but that had to be a tough year. Just be it. And it was. And then the thing I would still go, like I leave quiet hurts on Saturdays, I'm driving to the prison. Straight to him. To go see my dad, to go see my dad. Because I was his, you know, I was a daddy's girl. And so, was your mama mad at you? Yeah. Of course. She was mad at me and you. Yeah, because she divorced him. I can imagine how she felt about you the whole time. Mm-hmm. How did that make you feel? Well, she stood like, even though she was mad at me, she never like, she would still keep my key. Oh, she didn't treat you terrible.   She like, but that's what's gonna happen because that's how you're living. So you just gotta take it for what is work unless you change your life. And so she never got to see me change because she died while I was in prison. Wow. At the age of 42. So when you, Young. Yeah, but let me go back. I wanna, I wanna go back to your dad being locked up all those years. You go to prison yourself while he's, when you get locked up and go to prison while he's locked up. Who got, who gets out first? You get out first, right? No, he did. He got out first. So how, you had to do a lot of time. You did nine years. No, no, no, no. Let me tell you. So when I, when he read about it in the paper, he had a stroke. Wow. And it paralyzed the whole left side of his body. Wow. And then, But he knew you was gonna get caught up because, but he just was hurt. Right. You know, so it, he knew it, cause, I mean, he knew it. He knew it, cause he said it to you. But he never, but I'm still reminding him, still going to visit him, put money, I'm doing everything I'm thinking is necessary. Right. But then when he, when he read it, once he got in the hospital, he wrote the federal judge. And he said, whatever time you're going to give her, just add it to the time that I already have. Because I don't want my daughter going to prison. Wow. And what did, what did, that didn't work. That judge, when I went before the judge, the judge told me, he said, you a minister of society, you going. He said, you going, you are going. So he probably knew that you was the reason your dad was even in there. Of course he did. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. And so your dad's in prison. You're in prison. You're writing him. He's writing you. Y'all writing each other back and forth. All the time. And you just tell him you love him and tell him. No, he was just semi positive stuff. He was like, yo, don't give up. No, he didn't say yo, but he was like, listen, don't give up. Nothing beats a failure, but a try. At least you didn't get the life sentence that they offered you. You know, you got an opportunity to get out and make it right. Like you got so much talent. Do whatever it is. Do make money with your talent. If you know how to flip the drugs, you can flip other stuff.   So he removed every leaning post that I had. So if I wanted to go back and do it, who gonna keep my kids or something happening to me? That's what I'm thinking in my mind. Like my dad's dead. My mom's dead. Then my only son get killed. So I'm like, yo, no, I'm doing. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back and talk about your father and being in prison. And did anybody come home? Or did you ever hear stories where he was able to help somebody? Cause I know he touched a lot of people by being locked up. He didn't adopt so many people chills with you.  I got people right now that still called me sister because he touched them and he impacted them. That's right. He gave them hope. And you know, they got out of prison and he's still helping them, giving them money, taking them fishing. That's right. Like with people that he met in prison. I'm gonna take him to fishing because he didn't know his daddy. I'm just helping him. My dad, I have that same spirit. So my dad was a dad to everybody when I was growing up. My cousins, you know, my friends, my homeboys, my older cousins that was around the age with my brothers. He had other kids, three sons outside of my mom. So he would still help other people, kids.  I tell people, God bless me because I was broken blessing people like I had it. So I then took on everybody. Kids that my son, he was the only boy I had four daughters and he would be bringing his friends home.  And I'm buying them underclothes shoes. I don't have no money, but any little money that I would make, I'm helping. When I buy for my son, I was buying for other people's children.  You know, so I just think I took that spirit on from him. God knows what he's doing. He does. He got sold off and locked up and he never complained. Never. He never even said one thing of complaining. He was like during that time, he was like a Jesus of that time. Meaning he was representing that lineage to where he saved the people. He saved his brothers and they all bowed down to him. He got the coat and all that. His daddy gave him a coat of all colors and all that. But he got locked up for stuff that he didn't do. Potipha's wife tried to act like, she tried to get at him. The thing I just say is God has an ultimate plan. He was able to help the butler and the baker when he was locked up. When God let you go through these situations, you go through them for a reason in a season. Somebody he had to talk to and touch was in there. So whatever you done, it was nothing but God moving the whole needle, no matter how you look at it. Because can't nothing happen outside of God's will. That's right. It's up to God. So that was powerful. It's just touching story. And a lot of people I saw at the time, I always say, you know, my life is a movie because I was talking to somebody, a film producer and I said, listen, you can't make this up. No, you can't. People be doing these movies in these theories but in real life to say my mom divorced him because he loved me more than he loved her. He loved her. I think he just had that daddy's love because I said my son was my only son and boy, we would ride or die. No, we'll see when he's... 17. And we just opened the clothing store in Ben Rouge and we were doing a lot of stuff together. I raised entrepreneurs. So then we, and so when he got, God showed me, let me get back up. How did he die? I was about to say God showed me three days in a row. He was gonna die the same way every day. Did it scare you? Did you know what it was? It scared me. And then my baby daughter, one night we were in Ben Rouge and we were in the house sleep and she just stood straight up in the bed and she said, oh, Lord, I love my brother and in her sleep and laid back down and went to sleep.  And in the dream, I'm steady telling them don't kill him because everything he needs to do, he has not done, but I done everything I think I've already lived his life. It was so surreal. The next night I dream the same exact dream. The next night, that Saturday night, going in the Sunday morning, I dream the same dream. I wake up out of my sleep this time and I just start calling him.  So I just grabbed myself back to sleep. Then the next morning, because I lived in Ben Rouge and I'm driving four hours every Sunday to church because I'm the musician. And before my dad died, he says, whatever you do, don't leave Reverend Jones church. Continue to play for him. So even though I had moved to Ben Rouge, I was still dedicated and faithful to my calling. They weren't paying me that much money, but my dad asked me to do it. So I was doing it. So we were in Shreveport for church. I stayed at the hotel and bought you. And so the next morning I get up and I'm calling and I'm calling. And he finally answered the phone. It's like nine, 15. I got to be in church at 10. So he said, mama, he didn't even give me time to say anything. He just said, mama, I'm not gonna have you late for church. I know Reverend Jones be tripping. You know, he was being funny and he was always playing a lot. And he was driving my truck. I could hear the wind blowing. I could hear everything going. And next thing, and he says, okay, mom promise I'm gonna be there on time. I'm gonna have you at church on time.  And I can't afford that. And I hang the phone up. And that was the last time I ever talked to him. So I get to church. My stomach, oh, I get sick. And I just started throwing up and I'm sick. But I'm calling like people in Bolshevik, y'all come give me a ride to church right quick. Cause I got to be on time. So finally get a ride to church. And while I'm sick, I never ever turned my phone face up during church. But this particular Sunday, I'm on the piano and the lady on the organ and I turned the phone face up. So when Reverend Jones get up to preach, I looked down at the phone and he says, please go to the hospital. Three black male were just in a quarry. No, it's somebody's two black male. I'm sorry, two black male. And it was nobody I knew. It was like an unknown number. So he say, please go to the hospital. Two black males in the quarry. It was actually three people in the truck with two people. Besides him in the truck, a girl, he was giving them a ride to drop them off to pick me up and his friend. And so it was them two and him. And so when I see that, I'm like, that ain't for me to just add what it takes me if something would happen to whatever. Cause he was a real responsible kid. So I just gone back down or don't listen to the sermon.  And in Shreveport, you know, you're only going to LSU.  Mind you, he had my truck. So I asked him, could he drop me off at the hospital? He was like, for what? I was like, I don't know. I just need to go there. I'm frantic and panicking. He was like, okay, teacher, I'll take you.  I get down by myself. Nobody with me period. And this lady just giving me the running around. She giving me the running around, giving me running around. Now I'm getting out of it too.  Like he has a tattoo with my little teacher on his neck. And this is what he looked like. And then, and is this him? So she goes this time and she stay like 30 minutes. But while I'm standing there, this preacher, that I don't even know he knew me from being Reverend Jones musician. And so he walks by me and he turned around and he come back and he said, you going through something? And I just looked at him and he went in his pocket and he took out some mustard seeds. And he took them and he put them in my hand. Now at this time, I'm not in the spirit. I'm like mad right now. Cause like I'm trying to see was, so I don't even want the mustard seeds. I don't want to hear what you got going. I'm human at the end of the day. So when he give it to me, I'm just holding them.  I was like, I ain't got time for that. Right now I don't want to hear nothing, but is my son okay? So then they come back, nobody's with me. And the lady come back and she was like, I'm sorry, he didn't make it. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. That's how she said it to me. Like, yo, she had this champion saying that I ain't trying to hear nothing y'all got to say. So I lose it. Like I black out and I just run out in the middle of the highway on Kings Highway. And I fall out in the middle of the highway. Wow. And so by this time I preach it coming because the ursha told him, I dropped the tea shop at the hospital. Don't know what's going on. And he walked out there. He was old school because he was already in his 70s.  Where I'm linen jumps. What did he say? He said, if you got dogged in the house. He said it just like that. Got dogged in the house.  He said, if you were to be in a truck, he still was going to die. It was his time in that church.  And he picked me up and we went back in there. And that's when I called my daughters and I called his dad and I just was sitting there. I was like, God, you know you so wrong. Wow. That's all I kept saying. I stopped going to church after that. I stopped charging. I stopped getting plans for church. I was so angry. When I came to Dallas, I came to Dallas with an air mattress or TV. What year was this? 2008. Like October. And how old were you at that time? 2008 I was right at 38. Wow. It was 38. And so I came just like that. I didn't know nothing about Dallas. I just had some people that used to run from me here. So I would come on this grayhound and drop off the stuff and go back and whatever. So I didn't really know nothing about the whole cliff and all that stuff. I just knew I got approved for an apartment on the internet. They said first month rent free, deposit free. And that was in, Oh, what was the name of them? Tierra Lyndon? No, no, no. No, it wasn't. It was, what's the name of the apartments? Everybody chose the name of the apartment. Huh? Rosemonts. So they looked good on it. They just wanted to change because all the stuff that had been happening. Well, because every time I go outside, like as soon as I think I'm okay, when we were staying in the hotel, I walked off and left everything I had. I didn't go back to that clothing store. I left all the merchandise. I was angry. So I didn't even put them, I didn't even put them in school. So when I get here, it's like I gotta get it together. So one day I'll go back to Louisiana to talk to my godfather who's a bishop in Shreveport. And he said to me, he says, listen, you don't lost your mind because you got them kids. You don't go to jail if you don't put them in school for one, but two, you know God, you know how to make money.  You got to get it together because you got to live for your daughters. And that was my out opening.  This is the truth. Writing hot checks to feed them pizzas on borrowing from my drug dealing cousins. And oh, they went, I went barred and they were just doing it for me. Just be on the strength that it was me. Oh, Chuck gone shake back. You know what I'm saying?  He was from here. And I ended up getting a little building to do tax because I owned this tax company. It was tax season going into and he came in and I met him through somebody else. And he, I fixed the tax lien form. And then every time he would come out, I would be depressed. You know, he coming to check on his stuff. But I'm in this little bit of office over in Oakleaf and I'm depressed every time people could, I try to play it off and I had an assistant. But every time I would talk to him, I guess he felt it. And I had the flu. Couldn't shake the flu.  And we just started talking and that was in January and in February. We started dating in May. We started living together. And then November the 16th, the next year, we get married. And then October the 6th, 2011, we go to prison in two different states on the same day. Huh? Okay. Wow. Yes. I'll talk to you some more. But this is not the guy you would now. Of course. What'd he go to prison for? He was square. He was square. But squares rule the world. So he guilty by... No, so when I married him, yeah, so when I married him, I put him around my paperwork. So I go, because I'm doing the right thing. You see what I'm saying? Like, oh, let me do the right thing. But what were you doing wrong? Why they arrested you? They committed the fraud against my business. So now all that's on the business. That's the taxes. And people need to hear that because here's the deal. So the business wasn't just yours. You had other people with you. No, it was just my business. So I get married. I put my husband on the bus. Right, I got that part, but... Nobody else worked for me. So what happened was this man from Shreveport was going around in different places like Fast Tax and Agent R and Blockin' Alley's place. And he was acting like he had a business. You know how I go? And he just went and got a tax ID number saying he owned a construction company. So he didn't own the structure. I mean, he owned it literally on paper. But there was no actual building or they wasn't putting in no work. So they make all these W-2s for their cousins and their cousins' cousins and their uncles and all these people and everybody. He sent them to different places, filing taxes. Well, I wasn't at the building, filing taxes. I'm single at the time. I'm doing me. I got people working for me. You know, I'm lived. I'm traveling. But it's in your name. That part. So now because it's in my name and I print the government checks, I'm the one signing the checks on Fridays when they print the checks. So then after I moved to Texas, then they come five years later like, yo, you know, we got a warrant for your race, blah, blah. But long story short, I weaned the appeal in the fifth circuit course. You can't charge me for somebody else making a W-2. It's like the judge, I told my lawyer, and he's a paid lawyer and we lost the first case. I mean, I lost. I had to go to prison. But I'm telling him, ask the judge, you know, no, you can't talk, I'm paying you. What you mean? You can't tell me what I'm telling you what to do. Like if he walks into my business with a W-2, am I to critique it? Yeah, but how would you know? You don't. So where am I gonna say? Oh, what's your name? I'm Stephanie. Stephanie, is your W-2 real or fake? Am I supposed to say that when you walk in? No, that's not my job to do that. That's not the people's job that worked for me to critique your W-2. When you come in, their job is to prepare your taxes. So long story short, I tell people all the time and everybody that watches your podcast, they really need to get this book. The book is called Three Felonies a Day by Henry Silverglade. Everybody in the world commits three felonies a day, unknowingly. Really? A day. A day. I'm telling you, I keep that book on my desk. It's real. I don't care if you're the pope, the politician, the apostle. I really don't. What's the most common felony that people commit a day?  Like just say this one man, he had a business and he was going to this scrap metal yard and they was telling him, you know, you can take this stuff. The contract was, you're supposed to take it and discard it. He was taking it and selling it. So now the contract says discard. You're selling it. So now they then charged you with a charge. Like it's all in that book. Like you just have to read the book. It's so many different little things.  That's such a touching story that they would, did she ever go to prison to see him in all those years? I don't even, you know, I can't even remember. I don't think she did. I hate to say no. And I hate to say that I don't even remember. And I just know she ended up divorcing him and she married a deacon from the church down the street. Okay. When he got out, did she come? She was dead when he got out. Oh, so when he got out, he never went. We both came from prison to the funeral. Wow. Yes, he came from the state prison. Y'all both came from, he come from the state, you come from the federal prison. To her funeral. To her funeral. What did she pass away from? She went to have a hysterectomy and they didn't know that she had cancer. Wow. And she died two weeks after she had the hysterectomy. Wow. And so what did your dad say to you at that funeral? Did y'all get to talk? He was just so happy to see me. He was just like, you know, cause I, oh man. So my mom had done some things in the past, like to my dad, like, you know, just certain little stuff that she would do to him. And she would hurt his feelings. And so me being a daddy's girl, I always harbored that. And I had to ask God to forgive me. So by this time I had forgiven her. And, you know, he told me when she did something to him one time and he was going to get her. And I said, why are you doing that? Like, I'm, you know, I'm almost grown. Like, why are you doing this? This was right before we got busted.  That's my wife. What do you mean why I'm doing this? That's what I'm supposed to do. And he said, you're gonna respect her. I don't care how mad you are.  Right. But I was mad cause I was shucky. I was mad. You don't do people like, like, come on now. I'm just big. Even when I was in the streets, I was big on loyalty, but now that I'm saved, I'm even more big on it. So if you, if I, I just don't tolerate the extra and I don't tolerate the fake.  Now it's like, oh, I've been done that. And he's like, I love you and I don't regret. He said that to me. I do not regret taking that charge. Taking that charge for you. Because it's gonna make you a better person in the home. So how long after she passed, did y'all come home? Oh, he came home like the next year. Oh, the next year after she passed. Okay. And then I went to the federal head for house in Monroe, Louisiana, like right after that, like maybe six or seven months after that. Because see when I got sentenced, instead of getting a life, my lawyer was like, they offering you life. I'm like, for what? Like this man is tripping. Like I'm only, you know, 21 years old at this time. Like you really finna throw me away for one. He was like, no, you're not one.  You terrible.  That's what the man was like.   But he was telling me the truth. And guess what he said? I don't even want your money. I just don't want you to get life. And he still worked for me. And when Christmas, it was right before Christmas. I got sentenced to death. Is he an older man or a younger man? He was a Creole guy. He was middle age and he was from New Orleans. So he was like, yo, he went and bought all my kids Christmas stuff. Did all this stuff for me. Cause he thought they, he just felt like he didn't have a fighting chance. And on the day of my sentencing, this is the truth. Lord, I thank you so much. I get so excited. On the day of my sentencing, I had a 30 day speed trial. You remember when I used to do the 30 day speed trial? I had to be sentenced and convicted on the 30 day or they have to drop the charge. I go to court. I don't know how I end up in court on the 30th day. I mean, I know how. Nobody but God. Now they don't have my, they can't find the records. Got them wiped to clean. Guess what happened? That man said, he's in the uproar, but he got to do what he got to do. He say, he don't even know why I'm, I don't even know why I'm doing this. But I know if you ever come back before me for selling drugs, you're getting life. I don't care what happened. I get eight years federal time. I get, I know, I'm sorry. I get five years federal time, 60 months. I do six months boot camp. I was sentenced. I had to do the boot camp after I finished the first part of there, like two and a half to three years of their first part of the sentence.  And then I had eight years federal supervision. And you knew he was totally serious about that? He wasn't playing. But that's so crazy. No, when I went back in 2011 for the tax fraud, same judge, they don't retire.  So what did he say to you? That's how you revoked my bun. He just was like, he already assumed. You again? Yeah, you already assumed I had done something. He was like, oh, no, revoked the recognizant bun and the reprimand to the custody of the U.S. Marshals. Then he didn't even give me time to talk. He had told you. He didn't want to see. It wasn't drugs. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. He just didn't want to see you again. That ain't cool. He had to never say, oh, you got in trouble. I say, first of all, no, I did not. He said, I didn't tell you talk well. Let me tell you, I'm not that same person. And he said, be quiet. Yeah, I'm telling my lawyer. Tell this man, I ain't the same person. I used to be, you know, like I'm trying to convince this guy. But then, and then what's so crazy is, I go back to the same federal prison that I went to when I was 21. So they got the same lady working in R&D. She said, I knew you'll be back. She was from Jamaica too. She was like, scud. I remember when you little skinny girl coming here.  Wow. It was so funny. How long did you stay back in there when you, I know it was 11 to 2013, but after I won the appeal, then I come home. Well, let me ask you this. How many, give me a touching story on somebody. I do this segment called Prison Stories. Give me something that happened in there that you've seen somebody's life change or something that you felt is very special dear to you over all those times. How long was you locked up at all? Total time. Five, six, almost seven, eight years. Seven, eight years? What did you, did you see anybody that you was able to talk to? I'm still, as a matter of fact, I still mentor people from the prison now. And a lot of people follow me from prison now. The guards follow me from prison now. And they buy my books and they buy my t-shirts and they support me and not just African-Americans, a lot of them, but I got to talk to people because I always kept, even though I was going through, and even now, like when I'm going through something, I just don't let people know. So it was like, I was able to talk to them and give them God and tell them about, you know, how much my dad loved me and how much I want to be there for other people's children and everything, anybody that knows me from this last bit, the first thing they inbox me or they see me on Facebook, you did just what you said you was gonna do. Because I was in the room with three Hispanics this last time, not one of them got to see their children. But guess what, neither did Leticia because nobody brought my kids to see me. So that's why I started keeping families connected. And right now, this is eight years, new beginning. Never got a government grant. I've been doing it with my allowance. My husband gives the church 10% and he gives me 10% of everything he makes. And for eight years, came January the 15th, I've been providing free luxury prison trips, free breakfast and free lunch throughout the state of Texas for anybody that has a person or a loved one in prison. So no matter what part of taxes. Well, here's the deal. I go as far out radius as four hours one way. But like this week alone, because they've been putting the flyers all over these prison sites or whatever. So people been calling me from Houston.  And we just go down there it's keeping families connected.  So when I get back from Dubai, I'm going to be working on that particular trip for the month of June. Wow. So you basically, in your heart, you feel like your ministry is to reach out back to the To keep connected because when you lose connection, see when I felt like God didn't love me, I wrote a poem, well, just a short story for Rita's Digest back when Rita's Digest was popular when I was in prison after my son died. And the title was when love don't, when you feel like love don't love you. So who is love God? So when you feel like God don't love you, I hope it's gone. And that's what I felt like. My mama, my daddy, my son, and my grandmother back to back. Wow. That wasn't cool. Did you, I'm going to ask you, did you ever do drugs?  Never did, did you ever drink? No drinking. You just love to give, you love to hustle, just love to hustle. But with you, but okay, but why didn't nobody carry your kids to come see you? Is it because they didn't have a ride or because? First of all, I didn't really have no, their grandparents died after Hurricane Katrina. Okay. Then their dad, I mean, just being on his God raised his soul, he died, I think, year before last on New Year's Day. He just, he didn't want, he didn't have the responsibility, he didn't have the means to do it. Let me say that, because if he didn't have a woman that had money, then we didn't get nothing. They just knew I'm real. So that's what that is. So he couldn't get them. He was in Las Vegas. I'm in Texas. We're from Louisiana. So I sent them back to stay with somebody from the church that I felt like I could really trust. And that- But could you trust?  They didn't treat them right. They didn't do all this stuff. And I only had, at this time, I only had six months. Like I'm almost down. Like six months, my stuff just got fixed. So it just was the worst. So as soon as I got out in seven days, I wrote a book called, What A Real Church Folks? What A Real Church Folks at? You gonna bring me that book cause you ain't bringin' no books in there. And I'm upset. And I'm gonna bring you all three of them. I know that's right. And I got Grace and Faber from Prison to Pay. Okay. And then Queen. And then Queen, come on with your money to make yourself. Gotta have all three of them. All three of them. So after I did that, I ended up turning into a play last year. And we did a play at the Irving Art Center over in Irving.  And I wrote the play. I just wrote it off the top of my head. 17-year-old granddaughter, she was 17 at the time, produced it. We had Lil Nas X's daddy. Singing at the play. We had Shirley Caesar's grandson performing the play. And then, so we had all these people that I just put through. I call it throwing something together. But God showed people at the end of the play, Luther Barnes comes out. And we didn't even, we scripted on the day before the play. Wow. And he comes out and it's me sitting in prison. And he comes out and I'm sharing with him how so many people let me down that I really thought I could trust. Why nobody would bring my kids to see me. But then right after he comes, here comes somebody saying, oh, you heard about keeping families connected?  You know, so that's what it's about with me. When them kids come out of that prison and you see the smiles on their faces, I've taken little babies that were born while their dad was in prison to see the dads in prison for the first time. I have a Hispanic lady. I've been taking for four years. She's in her 60s, four sons in four different prisons. Every two weeks, she's taking different grandkids to see them boys in prison. You make sure that you keep them connected. I don't take you one time and not take you back.  But here's the deal. Like I just told them me when I went to go speak at the Cow's unit a couple of weeks ago, all of these men are leaving in the next six months, but some of them have been there 29 years and 12 years and 14% so forth. But you can help your kid from prison with wisdom. That's right. With wisdom.  Teach them about God's principles. Let them watch some Bible stories. You tell your baby mama to watch them too or your children's mother, whatever y'all want them with. Whichever way they want me to put it. You can help them because being in prison, oh, you got his time. Man, shout out to this woman, man. I'm falling in love with you, Leticia. Don't do that and step this in now. No, not in that way. This is a Godfrey love, man. No, it's just the things that you're saying and it's touching, man. I appreciate you over here, man. Like I said, that's what I, she knows that's what I love, you know? I just love. I love to see that because, you know, there's a lot of prisons that I've wrote for the last 20-some years, you know, over the times, you know, not as consistent as I would like, but what you're doing is so commendable. You know what I mean? Just a blessing, man. I really like that, man. So you was last in Huntsville, you say? You was in Huntsville? I spoke at a, well, as far as the prison trip, we went to, oh my God, we did three prisons on one day. That was my first time driving the trip in almost a year because I have volunteers. And so I went on a trip and I'm thinking, oh, I'm just going to two prisons and I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get back and get to the train station because when I first started, I was so passionate because my kids went through so much. As a matter of fact, when I do my radio show tomorrow, it's called Leticia Talks. I'm interviewing my two youngest daughters. Have you never done that before? Never. And because they went through the most and the worst. So I got to get that story so people can understand. And I'm afraid that tissue, you're gonna be crying. Because it's a lot of stuff I don't even know what they went through. That you don't know, right. Maybe I don't wanna know, but I know y'all didn't do my kids, right? And so when I get. But you need to know because there's so many people who are listening. Yes. That don't ask certain questions. And if you don't ask those questions or know the signs, let me tell you something. I was so broken when I used to call people, do you know what my kids, they're from prison, from the pears? I can't get a, you know, and then they write and then they got to send it through the person they don't have send the letters in. It was the worst. So people asked me like when I was in, what's their apartment? It's called the Browns apartments a couple of weeks ago for Easter. My daughters and I, we do this as a family. So people, charity stores at home, discipline stores at home and none of them live with me. But guess what? There I am, there they may be also. If they don't, they get blocked. Money, phone, everything. I block everything. I don't play. Cause you gotta feel, so you gotta understand where God is taking us to because he blessed me so I can bless y'all so y'all can see that it wasn't, it wasn't in vain. So when you guys get, after you do your one, with your two youngest daughters, you gonna bring them back and do another show for me? We will. So I can talk to y'all. We will. Cause I like to say, I want to keep interviewing you. You know what I mean? Like people need to hear these stories. But you know what I said this to, because I want to say this because sometimes I get, I don't, I used to just get discouraged. And my husband, he my king. He builds me up. You know, he, he in the nonprofit was in his vision. We don't have, and he'll tell you in a minute, we don't have the same vision. His vision is, is generational wealth. His vision is making sure I'm protected, making sure my feelings are covered, making sure we get what we need, making sure I don't have to pump no gas, make sure I don't pay no bills. He makes sure these kids are good and he don't have no biological children. Wow. My husband and my oldest daughter is eight years of difference in age. So he made sure this man, I give him all the respect. And I, and one thing about it, everywhere I go, the first thing he said, girl, where your king? Oh, they know you're not too far because I love him because he was there for me. I want to get him on the show too. You say, he watch, what's his name?  Fred Jackson. Fred Jackson, man. Listen, man, I know you heard what I said. I love your old lady, but I got my wife for it, nigga. Don't start, no miss. I got my old lady here. We've been married for 20 years, nigga, but I'm down with you like four flat times. So when we, and I wanted to say this because a lot of people, they don't understand, I tell people when I get ready to give back, I always give my speed. I always give my message. It's a message in my giving. So when I went to the Browns a couple of weeks ago before Easter, my daughters and my husband and I, well, he gives me to find the resources. We packed 175 Easter baskets. We went out there with the 175 Easter baskets. I talked from 12 to 1202 to tell them why, because nobody did this for me. So I'm not going to give your kids nothing. I don't, I wouldn't have wanted you to do for me when I needed it the most. So when I do my giveaways for Christmas, this year we, I'm gonna give good stuff. We Apple watches, we gave away jewelry. We got the main event in Frisco, shout-out to Lily at the main event. That's my girl. They let me set up the whole place like a Christmas one, a toiling. And so my husband and my daughters and I, we going down Friday and we turned into like a toiling and people come in and they sign up. So that's how I know how many people I do. We did 600 and Rainwater came. That's how I met Rainwater last year because he came and he went live like, yo, this woman is the truth. Like a lot of people just don't know me and they don't know what I do. I write, my husband write to people in prison. He put money on people books in prison. We give back, we don't just give back once a year. We do three prison trips a month. I do mentorship once a month. I just started a step team. We just performed our first performance Sunday. Hey. So at the Caldwell Center, did they do, did you do it there? No, we did it. Oh no, I was honored there with the $10,000 sponsorship. But no, we created the show up for that. But then the next day we did a special needs gala for autistic children. Oh wow. So, and we did that and I don't, I didn't charge nothing. We come and we came with 15 of us. The step team, the boss brothers, my two little grandsons, 78, they own their own business, just published a book and people just called for them to come. So they escorted the little girl and I spoke and my step team performed. We come to let you know that it's a blessing in the giving and you can't outdo God. You can't beat God. So every time I get in the chamber, I go by Easter basket, Valentine's Day candy. My husband say, every time God give you something to do it consists of spending some money. Mm-hmm, exactly. But God keep providing, right? He says, keep first the kingdom.  Exactly. And so at the end of the day, I just, I thank God for you just being so obedient. Yes, it's a task, but it's the assignment. Yeah. And if you do what God tells you to do, you can't lose, you're on the winning team.  Well, the only thing that came to my mind is you starting something, if you don't already have it, where you have like a shelter or a home or somewhere, you know what I mean? I got that vision. It was prophesied to me to do that. Exactly. But let me tell you what's so crazy because a lot of people be thinking, oh my God, I gotta say this. So when I first get to the prison, the jail in Louisiana, the holding facility for the feds, I write all the permanent churches in Dallas because this where my kids are. I'm in Louisiana, they're here. And I started each letter with, I do not need your money. I just need somebody to take my daughter to church. Not one church wrote me back. That's why another reason I wrote the book. The church is not the building, the church is the people, but they just let me know how you feel. If you read this letter and you put it in the trash and didn't write me back or you didn't say, where are your kids? We're gonna pick them up. We got a church bus. Maybe they wouldn't have gone through some of the things they went through. That's why when these women be calling me and texting me late at night, sometimes I get in trouble with my king because I'm answering folks' calls after hours. But Latisha, Jerry hanging with the wrong people at school. Latisha, Suzy Suzy Q just ran away from home and I'm getting up on my shoes tub. I don't have no shoes for school. I'm getting up. But everything happens for a reason because if you didn't have that need for your children to come to you or if you didn't have nowhere, if they took your children to church all the time, you wouldn't be starting the organizations that you have right now because you wouldn't see the need for it. You might be right. So everything happens for a reason. But you see what I mean? You went through that and you saw where there was a need for it. Because I asked God, like, what in the world was there for? Like, I'm like, and sometimes when people interview me, they say, you wasn't made.  And you can't do nothing without God. I'd love it when people, oh my God, thank you. People be getting on my nerves. I'm just gonna say this, Mr. Bowie's Top 101, Ms. Bowie's Top. Because they act like you look at people and you think they got it going on. They doing this. They living like, no, but here's the deal. Half of the people you see that you think got it going on, they not even saved. They're silly sinners. They just getting by because when you abundantly blessed, nobody has to wonder. They don't have to think twice. Oh, she's abundantly blessed, baby. Because let me tell you something. I see the, I see she living it. I ain't just talking it. I walk it. Let me ask you a question. When you, when did you totally surrender to God? I mean, totally surrendered. Totally surrendered. I gotta say this. When you say I'm done. Oh yeah, no. And I love God and I'm gonna get it right. Let me tell you something. When I got out this time, even though I was still doing my thing going to church, I wasn't selling no drugs and that stuff. My husband and I had a business and I opened a clothing store outside of the tax company. So we was doing that. And so when we came home, he came home in 2015, I came home in 2013. 2015 was when we totally, so that we got saved on the same day at the same time. So once we totally committed, it was just, I mean, I can't even explain the feeling that it's like to have a husband.  Equally yoked means that God, your husband is gonna love you like Christ loved the church. That he's gonna respect you when you around and when you're not around. He gonna make sure that you covered. He gonna keep you covered. So now what we do when we used to get upset, we, because we both tires, it's like, oh, I ain't trying to hear it.  But now it's like, let me go talk to God. I'm gonna come back and talk to you. Cause right now we not on the same. And then he'll get quiet and he'll pray and he'll come and say, no, I just prayed for you. And be like, thank you. I'd pray for you too because that's what it's about. So I'm just so grateful. It's unheard of. We get saved on the same day. We both musicians for the same church and we just abundantly blessed. He comes home and by the end of 2018, he blesses us through God.  So to be African-American young people that's part of owners of seven emergency rooms. He's a forex trader by day, gold versus the US dollar. I've never had a job in my whole life. That's beautiful. And everything that he gives, he gives me 10% to do what I do for other people. And the other day I sent him a picture of a purse, he sent it back. He said, you use your allowance on other people. You want me to buy you a purse? No homegirls not gonna happen. I'm on a budget this month. So that's what that is. But I'm just saying I'm grateful for the fact that even when he don't wanna go, sometimes he'll get up and he'll be like, I'll drive the prison trip for you today. You ain't gotta go, you can stay asleep. I don't care if it's four hours, he'll go. And then we'll talk while he's going. He packed the cooler for the people and he talked to the people while he's going and he weighed on them to come out. He take them out to eat. Every trip we do, we take everybody out to eat on the trip when we leave the prisons. Wow. That's so nice, man. You totally blessed this show today. Well, thank you.   He's always there for us, man. No matter what, your dad and all that stuff that you went through, man, your mom, and I know it was tension there, but God knows everything. And people, this show right here is different than most because, man, if you watch it, if your husband watch it like he say, he done seen some things on here. Because we talking about God, man. We talk about a lot of stuff, but God, it's three people, like I said, that sitting in a seat last year, that they no longer with us. And all three of them, we got to talk about God. I'll say that every time, because God has a way of stepping in the building. And everything happens for a reason. I just said that on Sunday. Everything happens for a reason. And I meet so many people that lose loved ones, whether they're a child or just anyone. And I always say, you know what? Always try to remember the good times, because if you think about all the negativity, it's going to pull you down in a hole and the devil is going to win. And if you don't want the devil to win, you have to cherish that person by the good, because they gave you a lot of good memories. And sometimes I just go in my room and I have a music room in my house, like my little prayer room. And I got my daddy's Bible that he preached with in like a glass case with a picture of him with his obituary. And it sits right there. So I'm playing my keyboard. I can see it. So I play his favorite songs. What's his favorite song? Trouble in my way. Hey, I had to cry sometime. Yeah. So I can play it too. Boy, I learned how to play gospel music, playing the blues. Like I play it like the blues, but I can play anything I hear. So I used to get there and I get to play this song and I record and I post it on Facebook and my churchman be like, oh, I wish you were back home so you could play. No, I'm not coming back there. Not gonna happen. I'm following you today. I got to hear this. But you're gonna help a lot of people because there's so many women out here who's lost their kids. And they won't listen to a person who have not lost theirs. So because you've lost yours and overcame that, although it's a constant struggle, you're able to talk to them and touch them. And let me tell you what else. When I first got with my husband, this is what I'm telling you, I know this guy because when I first got with him, every time I started crying, he didn't know what to do to console me. And sometimes he would talk to his grandma, that's who raised him, his dad's mom. And so now he's learned me.  And to the graveyard. My son, my son is buried next to my dad. So I get to go there to both of them and at one time, I couldn't go period. So now he just be like, okay, let's go with spending day at the graveyard. And he'd just let me sit there until I'm done. And he drive me back home. The business that you have, I can imagine how many people probably heard of it and want to contribute or want to help. No, you're not gonna believe this. A lot of people don't support that you would have thought would support. And a lot of people that get the resources, they're not even putting in the work.  I'm the only person in the United States that provide free luxury prison trips. You got people that do look prison trips. They're not luxury, but they may do them, but they charge you. I just got a call from a lady in California. I want to take my kids to see the daddy. Well, what did you want me to do? I mean, I didn't get my husband and got me once I was in Beverly Hills and I sent the lady some money in Washington DC to Uber to the prison. I said, I prayed about it first. He said, but you didn't talk to me about it first. You know, I know if I talk to him, he's atypical. So he's like, well, baby, daddy. But with her mom and cousin in there, man. Sometimes he'll say that, but then he'll still eventually be like, I don't do it, teacher. Cause I know you're gonna do it anyway. You know, you're gonna, you want to help. Cause you remember what it was like. Yeah. So it's so many people that don't support on my $2 Tuesday, I don't even get a hundred dollars. But you know what I tell people. I just put it out there. It's such a great cause. I always do that people be trying to know. And God says to me, I say, God, you got a weird sense of humor. Right. I love you God, but you got this sense of humor that's off the chain. Because if I'd known to have a nonprofit, I had to ask people for money. I started without a 501c3 cause I didn't know nothing about a nonprofit. I just stored ring calls when I got to prison from enterprise and taking people to the prisons.  You playing around. You have a wreck with these people in this car. So then I eventually legalized the business. But I say, God knew if he knew I had to ask people for money, it wouldn't have never happened. Cause I don't want to be sitting there asking people and then they don't support. And it's like, you really don't want to support. But a lot of people don't because a lot of people don't know what they don't know. So if they never experienced it. Oh yeah, my cousin went to jail or whatever. It didn't affect my child or me or my spouse or whatever. Then people don't really, they can't feel it. And people don't really support what they don't know. So I don't even know. I say, God says, listen, you have to give people an opportunity to get blessed.  So you put it out there. If they do it, they get the blessings. And if they don't, they miss the blessings. So that's what I do. I put it out there for people to do it. I'm not begging, I'm not falling out, crying, none of that.  Some businesses don't last eight months. Here I am eight years. Never a government nothing. Wow. But a God everything, you hear me? So I'm good. Me and God Gucci like that. Man, I just want to say, man, keep doing your thing and if there's anything I can do, make sure you let me know. I appreciate it. You can always come back and if you want to announce something or get something out there. Well, we have an eight year anniversary. I made the 27th. And so we're having Luther Barnes come. Okay. It's going to be a cavalry Philadelphia church in Oak Cliff on Sunnyvale. I think it's 4703 Sunnyvale and that's a Saturday. So it's May the 27th at three o'clock. I have my God dad who's the bishop that visited me the whole time I was in prison. Wow. He doesn't know I'm going to under him now because he was there for me when nobody else was. Like I was such a crybaby. His sister was the sheriff. So I just started crying. He's like, can you cry? Reverend Gordon didn't tell him to come up here. He'd be running to the jail every day. One day he said, listen, Chucky, now this pity party got to stop because you did this to yourself.  But to this day, that man has been in my life and I'm grateful for himself. He lives in Shreepo. But he can sing. He's going to be there. He's got some YouTube, yes and D. So he's going to be there. Man, thank you so much, man. Hey, man, listen, man, make sure you guys like and subscribe to the channel, man. Leticia just come through. Leticia came through and blessed our platform, man. Yeah. Did you want to ask her about how does she get connected with Judge Joe Brown? Or that's for another? That's fine. Let's talk about it. We can. So listen, one of my friends, she's a doctor, a minister in Louisiana and she went to the Grammys. So she meets this lady from Florida and they started talking and this lady is a PR person. Well, going into the new year, I just fired, like I just let go of my team because it just got, the guy just says, you got to do some new energy. Like this is not working. So anyway, long story short, they called me on the phone. She put me on the three way with her and she just instantly filed in love with me over the phone. So she's the PR person for Judge Joe Brown. So she gets on the phone with me and we started talking and instantly she just started doing all this stuff for me. I didn't give her an opinion. And then the next week, the next week she was like, you want to get on the show with Judge Joe Brown? And I was like, you serious? Cause I kind of, I like him in Judge Mathis. So she was like, yeah. So we talked about violence and the youth of the day and how we, you know, I had recently did a radio interview with some people from, I forgot the name of the radio station. But anyway, it was a Republican radio station. They wanted to talk about building more, what my thoughts on building more prisons for youth. I don't have thoughts on it. I have the fact that that you want to build 200 prisons for youth.  No, I mean, they need counseling. They need mental posts. People need to get them some Godly gang. Cause see that's what my mentorship is about. We didn't really talk about that. But boys and blue and girls too. Well, I took my allowance and started 13 businesses for 13 people aged five through 28. Age five through 28. As young as five, wow. Yes, they were, they're 78 now. But this was two years ago. But everybody in my family, I make sure we good. Every, and half of them people ain't in my family. They just people that I met on this journey and I want to see your life change. Cause we Googled, I Googled the other day how many prisons are in Texas compared to anywhere else. And Texas has the most. Exactly. They got three on the same street. That's crazy. Yes. So, and they got them for as nine hours away all the way to the border. So they have a lot of prisons. But we started that program just to help children and to show people. And that's what the judge was talking about. How they have, he met with, he's with this lady that has this aviation program where they get these kids housing and funding to learn how to fly airplanes. Wow. So I was able to get on that show and then the very next day they called me and gave me my own show. So now I have a radio show, a t-shirt talk. So I'm grateful. Yes, I'm grateful. Man, thank you so much, man. Hey, man, listen, listen, man. It's been another great segment. Of boss talk. Thank you. First of all, we love you. Bless you, I love you all too. Thank you all for having me. It's been another great segment. A boss talk on the one where the bosses talk. And we out.