Wow, hi Welcome to our talk. Why Kubernetes can't get around FinOps. I haven't expected so many in-person faces Welcome. Good afternoon My name is Manuela. I am working for liquid reply as a consultant and I'm the number crunching person doing monitoring KPI and so on and so on this lovely person next to me is my colleague Vanessa and she's also a consultant at liquid reply and our evangelist about FinOps, but what we actually love about Doing FinOps every day is that we have the ability to build and orchestrate high performing FinOps teams and bringing DevOps people from About cost management to pretty excitement But before we dive deeper into the topic we brought a small riddle for you This is a cloud bill From a caster. That's from AWS. Oh, sorry. I'm not supposed to walk that way Okay, and I would kindly like to ask you to Spot the least efficient application or workload on this cloud bill Try to can you give me a show of hands who is able to do that? I can't see so much, but I see a single hand back there. Let's have a talk later because Basically, you figured out the first reason why Kira neatest can't get around FinOps Because this cloud bill is something that your business is getting by the end of the month and This cloud bill is no longer sufficient when it's when it comes to allocating costs to your workloads and projects In fact, the latest survey of the CNCF shows that around 70 percent of the companies Fairly estimate or a don't monitor at all cost with kubernetes and Basically, that's the reason why we're here today So what we want to do is give you a short glimpse about again why you really just can't get around FinOps and show a bit based on our experience how to gain cost transparency and control and what you Everyone in this room can do in their daily practice to support FinOps practice some of you might Remember these engine previous pre cloud days where you had to go to your project manager or whatever manager To ask for resources to get your server approved the one that you really need to get your project up and running and In these ancient times The managers were actually the people producing managing and approving the costs But as we all know that changed with the cloud Now you have us engineers producing the cost So you have a lot more people than before producing costs just by the push of a button But still at the same time you have the old traditional processes that apply you have the same people like before managers finance Whatever roles they called and they still have to somehow manage the budget and They still kind of want to approve the costs and the budget to being able to govern them and manage it But so I mean it would be easy to just update these processes and based on the variable cloud cost model, but I mean To be honest the business and the finance people they don't really understand how the cloud works most of the time And Now Kubernetes comes in and that's a whole new abstraction layer on top of the cloud And that's creates that huge knowledge gap between the technical and the non-technical people because how should they ever Comprehend how Kubernetes and Kubernetes costs work when they can't even comprehend the variable cost model of the cloud And so that's exactly what Finnobs addresses Because at the end of the day we need to buy in of those non-technical people Because well they have to plan the budget somehow and we engineers don't want to do that At least I don't so Finnobs or You might remember the DevOps movement or like pre DevOps There were like developers and operations people and they didn't talk to each other and it was a huge mess So like every team was annoyed by the other team and it wasn't fun Then DevOps came brought these two teams together suddenly you had one team and it worked pretty well and Now today you have a similar situation you have DevOps teams and you have the finance and business people and Now you have to bring them again together to have a Finnobs team and Finnobs does that and at the end of the day it enables all of these people when they begin to talk to each other again to Make these spending decisions the decisions the company needs you as an engineer need to Being finally able to work on some cool features and at the end of the day It increases the business value of the cloud of Kubernetes for the whole company but To start with that you as an engineer really need to get into the head of the finance and business people and That's where you need to know or at least be able to ask the questions that they ask They want to know what are the top spending drivers? So what's the project with the highest expenses? So how efficient or inefficient is a cluster or an environment or in general Who uses what when and what's happening? and That's the whole topic of transparency and once you're able to answer those questions You can then go into that purple question and ask about where can we start optimizing and That's exactly and when you have to answer to that purple question You can finally free up money and that money could be well spent on other innovative features Or maybe a new work colleague And finally you can have like and not 80 hours of work week or something or You can finally buy some beer for your whole team Well, basically it is all about how to gain transparency When it comes to Kira Nita's and cloud cost management to then have control about these costs and there are many different ways to get there but The main strategies here to gain Cost transparency are monitoring and labeling And on the other side to gain back control right sizing and waste management Let's dive a little bit deeper into that So first of all before anyone says anything about monitoring. This is not about solely performance I'm pretty sure every one of you has at least one or many Several tools to monitor their clusters their nodes their workloads whatsoever The trick here is this is solely focusing on performance when it comes to fin-ups Every monitoring you have to do has to have the ability to link this to cost metrics So first of all, this is a different data source. So usually it's your cloud providers bill It's the agreed discounts. It's the reservations you made. It's about Scenario building how much would something cost when I do it on demand? How much would I if I if I were talking about AWS the savings plan? Your monitoring should be able to link those metrics because then you can measure not only the efficiency but can Tell how much it costs? This brings you one step closer to transparency Now that we can see costs basically we have a second problem How many workloads are running? Approximately on your notes and clusters I bet a lot and That's the issue Remember the cloud bill from the beginning I Could totally say how much I spend for an S3 bucket based on that list And I totally could tell you how much I would have to pay for an easy to instance But that still doesn't give me the ability to tell or to answer the questions Vanessa just introduced I can't tell how much a project spent I can't tell how much an environment spends. I can't compare them to each other so labeling is the key to this these three things you can see on the screen right now are Basically not new to you, but in the context of our daily work. I want to outlight them. Why? The first thing about the pot template. I had to learn by heart if you don't Label at the right spots in your configuration template you cannot monitor costs I Did it wrong when I did it the first time and I labeled the deployment Yes, that was a very stupid moment But we had to do it all over again and we have written policies and everything so is chaos So I'm going to outline that don't repeat that mistake The second thing is when it comes to labeling Your key value pairs have to be targeting cost management So about your keys what you can see at the slide right now These are the ones the community of Phenops has come up with as being the most common ones Obviously you can individualize them for your organization, but to answer the questions We we saw in the beginning its application business unit company Cost center environment and project that should be outlined when it comes to cost transparency and One last important thing about the value description cost monitoring and cost reporting that comes out of the cost monitoring is for Non-technical people so you have to keep in mind when writing your values That they are understandable comprehensible for non-technical people Because even if you set up the perfect labeling and you have it with policies and everything running if no one else Despite you understand it then you have the same issue with you're the only one knowing what runs on your clusters So now you gained Cost transparency so basically I can tell you now what your environment is producing and costs But this knowledge is nothing without Knowing how to optimize Optimizing that's the purple question the one from before And it starts by right sizing so right sizing is all about setting the right amount of Subduo memory or the right amount of resources of your cluster of your nodes of your workloads And it starts and that's actually that's the essential part of right sizing It starts by setting resource requests and limits Per default Kubernetes doesn't set any resource limits to your pots So that means like your pot can consume whatever amount of resources it wants So that means that it's our tasks task to set the resource requests and Limits to our pots and to all of them. It's not enough to just put it on one of the pots and then we can automate the whole auto-scaling magic and We have three auto scalars that I'm going to talk about and the first one is in a For a stateful workload. So when your Workload just needs a little bit of more resources for a limited amount of time As a lazy engineer you could just say okay I said those resource requests a bit higher than my pot actually needs it But I mean again, that's just a waste of resources. So don't do that On the other hand you have those engineers that are like the money-saving foxes Did just that the right amount of resources that a pot needs? But then you probably run into performance issues in the worst case and The vertical pot auto-scaler addresses exactly that issue and it automizes it so the VPA monitors the actual usage of your pot and Suggests new values for the resource requests If the pot needs it and there is even one configuration where it applies those suggested values right at the pot to the pot and it gets redeployed and that's like the Automagically happening That's for stateful workloads, but of course we have also state less workloads and that's where the horizontal pot auto-scaler is for this one again monitors the actual usage of the pots and adds or removes pots based on Yeah, the target value the target CPU or memory you're defining in the auto-scaler That was it on a pot on a workload level then we have the other level of the infrastructure level So that means notes The cluster auto-scaler does a similar thing To the horizontal pot auto-scaler before to be honest because it just adds notes or removes them But this one it's not based on the actual usage. It just it's based on The scheduling status of your pots So if the cluster auto-scaler sees okay, it's not possible to schedule a pot due to resource constraints on your note Then it brings up a new note fourth point is eliminating waste You might say okay. Yeah auto-scaler are exactly doing that and yes, you're right, but there is more to it You could add for example policies That shut down environments when you don't need them for example a deaf environment or a test environment You could set a policy to shut it down like those non non critical workloads actually over the weekend ordering of ours Now some of you might say okay. Yeah, my deaf environment. It's just $50 who cares Take a look at the picture at the bottom of the slide You see all those colorful bars and every single one of them is one engineer saying okay. It's just $50 So at the end of the day, it's all about the sum of the cost that produces And actually that's a good reference to the monitoring manual I said earlier Because with cost monitoring you have or you get back the overall view of the things and you're not blindsided by your own project Yes, thank you. So how to implement Finnobs practice in your daily work. I went to refer to the last slide first you saw those bars, so I think the first thing you should know about Finnobs is It's getting out of the bubble and seeing the big picture Because in fact when you're working for for an organization when you're working for a company, you're not the only account You're not the only developer. You're not the only project and yes, if you have resources over provide provisioned or if you have Systems running on the weekends your single account doesn't do any harm but Make the math like do this with 200 accounts do this four weekends per month do this 12 months a year This is like a lot of money. You're wasting Without any necessity so I want to highlight that Common understanding or cross-rolls. That's the first thing about Finnobs in general To understand why it's important and then it's not about like cutting costs like just generally and When it comes to monitoring and labeling I want to highlight this one because Again, if you create labels in your bubble And maybe across your team that still doesn't make sure that a business and finance Can use this labels for reports and stuff and Be that another team is doing the exact same thing So like with everything on the technical side you're doing it's the same with those things you have to agree and Collaborate working together on a standardized list and then you have to make it part of your processes and documentation the second thing and this is a nice example When it comes to naming conventions, and I know I would some of you know When it comes to naming conventions, there are two important things to know about clusters Whatever monitoring tool you're you're using since they are also for non technical people They are using names So whenever you are using the same name for two different things This can create confusion as you can see in this example behind me that happened when we were monitoring What we thought was one cluster But by the end of the month surprise double the cost were actually two clusters Again, this is not only your team or your project. This is a cross organization and projects standards The second thing and this is the other around is with labels Hi, now. It's a very tiring topic But it's very important to to have a standardized Spelling how you do things when I first started with my actual like recent client project we had Monitoring based on tags and I have I think a seven or eight different spells for environment Just for the key not the not the value just for the key. So here. It's very important again that you manage to Come up with a standard agree on it Put it in your documentation The second thing and this is something again someone from finance and management can't do is ensure functional monitoring and labeling What does that mean? It's a procedural change So whenever You create something you you have to make sure that is part of the monitoring and this is your job No one can take this away and the second thing comes with the labels as well Whenever you're doing something new you have to make sure that is part of the monitoring and labeling thing This is how you can ensure from a technical site and help provide information No one is expecting that you do the math that you do the reportings, but this is necessary so someone else can do So yesterday at our booth we had a visitor And we were discussing autoscalers and he was like, okay, that's kindergarten autoscalers everyone knows that Then we were talking about okay, how do you set your resource request do you even do that? So yeah, of course, I do and no autoscaling and Then we were like, okay, but how what's the metric? How how much CPU or memory do you set? It's like, okay. I do it to be honest gut feeling. Okay. Yeah, fine. I mean you're the engineer maybe you have a good gut feeling but Then he was like, okay, but usually I just add like 10 percent to my gut feeling just to be safe and now imagine you add 10 percent to everything to each and every single one of your pots and Suddenly you have a huge overhead again, and that's just a waste of resources So when setting resource requests initially, please do low tests or some kind of similar thing to lot of And over time you can of course improve those limits Of course, you can always start by doing that plus 10 percent, but please improve it over time and Monitoring helps you doing that and you can just iterate over the resource requests and it will get better Talking about autoscalers, it's a really cool thing and you can even combine the horizontal and the vertical pot autoscalers But the thing is both of them act on the same metrics. So both of them could Measure CPU or memory and so that's the issue when you configure both of them to Actually monitor the same metric then you will create a race condition and that will not work third point a short reminder Use the vertical pot autoscaler for state full workloads and the horizontal pot autoscaler for state less workloads and Last but not least short story of one of my projects Zeta projects with amazing genius engineers as we all are and They said the perfect amount or the perfect configuration of autoscalers as well as the perfect configuration for weekend shutdown policies Then the weekend came The policy applied the clusters went down the autoscalers bend them back up The integrated monitoring systems were blinking and the operations team was awake And that happened a few times during the night and it wasn't a very good night at least for the operations team And so when using policies and autoscalers make sure they work together They're integrated well into each other and make sure that the surrounding systems don't blink and alert everyone involved By the way, I was nasty Let's wrap it up This was really just a very short glimpse into the world of fin-ups But the key message is that it's not about cutting costs It's about an abling data-driven decisions to then be able to save costs. Yes, that's a part of it I'm Monitoring labeling right-sizing waste management. These are the key things to get there. Obviously, we have so many more things to do but the key things are this and what the best takeaway I would Invite you all to to take with you today is that the first step for the daily practice is acknowledgement Basically knowing that this is a necessity with every abstraction level we are creating from a technical side and Then to make sure from a technical setup that you help the people who needs to understand them on a second place Well, so this was it. We are very happy to be here today and We invite you to come to our booth in Pavilion 2 at SU 32 But are there any questions yet? I think we have a microphone over there. Maybe I Can So I think that this lady was first Thank you. There's a lot of correlation between Clutting cloud costs, etc. And the environmental impact. Is there a link between fin-ups? And I don't know what the next portman to green ops is Yes, definitely That's actually one of my my passion topics right now. Thanks for the question Yes, there is a correlation, but of course if you reduce costs if you're for example, right-size your instances Then of course you save CO2 but it's not like Fin-ups all of fin-ups is green ops because you have things like Discounts for example pricing discounts and you get them without right sizing anything So that doesn't have an impact on the CO2 as far as I know But of course yes, there are a lot of there is a lot of correlation between these two. There is another microphone, right? It's like thank you so much Are we working? Yeah, first off, thank you ever so much. This has been really timely For the problems I'm going through at work at the moment, so I will definitely come over and talk to you at the booth The thing I really wanted to ask about was the visualization aspects I appreciate there's probably quite a few tools out there But how you get to a position where you can actually create these reports that go out to your finance teams in a format that's actually consumable by them and then a second question, which is around The budgeting and the operationalization because we work in an environment where our finance team are quite a long way from us And how we go about doing things like budgeting and and financial preparation because we work on an annual cycle And just those two questions. Thank you Thank you very much for the question and I have so many answers to that but I try to summarize them to two main things So the very first thing is that Every monitoring tool you're choosing whatever it is has different functions based on your environment We are for example working with tools like laudability. We are working with tools like q-cost and cloud health and You name them. We met a few here The tricky part and this is where where it's getting interesting is to understand how your operation works with the client right now I'm working we Implemented the tool but we came up with a with certain individual thresholds to define. Okay when get Projects alerted when are they getting recommendations? What's the amount of money where it's worth it to actually get to people and then we started creating reports? first manually then optimize them now they get the frequent, you know feedback automated by the tool and we have Workgroups that come together and now working through those recommendations. So this was a procedural Change management coming with the tool and the second thing As I initially said our main job is bringing exactly those departments together So the projects we are working in we always have the setup finances there businesses there ITs somewhere everywhere and the main thing is you have to find allies you have to Find people who are Willing to work on that bring them to a table come up with a strategy, but I we can talk into detail Are there any more questions? Well, ah there Hi. Hello. Yeah There yeah, was there was also someone and the microphone here is missing Okay, it's here. I guess I'll go first Hi, hello. Thank you for the presentation very interesting Very good points. I was wondering. Do you have any advice regarding right sizing? Maybe regarding low tests if you found some particularly useful tools for doing that Well, the first advice I can give you is talk to your Talk to your using teams. It sounds it sounds stupid But if they know how a similar application is like live used They can give you numbers to actually do workloads because they have the marketing experience the the productive experience and then you bring them back into the teams and I would say we don't have a number because it really differs from project to environment but I think the advice I could give you is try to Even standardize that if you don't have any market response Try to think of scenarios that could happen. I don't know if you're talking about a Basic example online shop You have to be scalable and you have to test that what happens with your with your workload when you Put traffic on it a lot and The second thing is that you should use the same test parameters across the team I think that's that's the advice I could give you like from scratch without knowing anything about your project Thank you, by the way, the the the lovely person running around with a microphone is one of our colleagues and Yeah, I was wondering you were putting a lot of emphasis on the labels before But it's so you said that the labels that were there were kind of like found out by by by you to be the best But is this coming from some kind of standard from the financial financial financial applications or Or oh, thank you Or is or is that defined per per organization like freely or is already some kind of standard in the industry for labeling things in Corners so Thank you for this question Phinups is Based on the community work the Phinups foundation as part of the CNCF So everything we do we do in kind of a collaboration and in exchange And what we presented to you are the results of like a lot of people around the globe talking about and figuring out what? There is no standard yet in certain things Because we're doing like we're still exploring this fairly new topic, but these are the ones that are like Overlapping with whomever you're talking. So this is kind of the best practice we figured Okay, well, I think there's one. I'm sorry Hi, I Wanted to ask you mainly regarding labeling if you had any issue with partners especially with fast-changing teams Something if you had any experience with fast-changing teams and labeling in the part where I don't know a team changes the name How do people set them their labels? Perhaps one uses an underscore perhaps one uses a Different convention. So how do you get around perhaps that issue? Three things about that the first thing is as I said that agreed standard So when we did this in my recent client project We set together and we had a look of how they the projects do that in general like do they Pascal or whatever kind of label usage and Based on that we developed the labels we agreed on them and we send them out to all the projects and we said like okay Listen, you have like a saying you have like I don't know two days or whatsoever to give feedback if you're okay with that Or not and then we this was kind of agreed since we took everyone on board and then we have this list documented It's like part of documentation for deployment in every single project. So it's it's agreed standard and and What we are working on right now is policies that enforce that with every resource deploy so basically using the same labels we defined manually and then Put them into policies, but there are also tools That can add Virtual text they're like different ones It's always a bit depends on how how big your environments in how many projects you have plus How much money you want to spend? Any more questions. Thank you very much. Thanks for your time


Hello, thank you for joining me. I'm at London Liverpool Street today, and we're going to Peterborough Not the usual station you're to come to to get a direct train to Peterborough, but today there is a direct train to Peterborough I'm going to go down to the platform and find it I just wandered down this end of the station just to have a look because you never know what you're going to find And this isn't what I'm expecting to find our train, but a bit of a surprise. It's a class 37 sat there, 37608 So that's quite exciting to see but our train is just over there, so let's go and find it So here we are we're on the platforms and here is our train class 47 47 815 Great Western With a raker mark 2 characters, so this is really exciting to Yeah, just ride a proper train on the line out of Liverpool Street So I've never done local hold. I've done local hold out here when they were local trains of Norwich Never done diesel local train out here, but to do local haul train up through Tottenham Hale Harlow town, etc. I've not done before so as you can see it's a train of mark 2 characters I remember mark 2 is on this line when they were hauled by class 86 So it's kind of bringing back some nice memories. There's another 47 down the other end I'm going to wander down there and have a look so that'll be hauling me there and then later on Behind 815 that I've definitely travelled behind before not sure what's on the front So we're going to see am I going to go and find a winning local 47 813 on the front so not winning local but it's going to be nice to have a good diesel batch on the line Which you wouldn't normally get Norwich's proper traction like this on so I'm going to go and find my seat and enjoy the ride We are on the train, much potter than usual train. It's actually a first class carriage So I thought I'd sit up here a lot of the diesel batches are right in the front to get the fresh but I thought I'd come back here It's a little bit quieter and I can have People sat there so I can't expect but it's it's very pleasant. I mean I do quite like the Stadlet milk units. They're probably about the nicest in my opinion new trains you've got but this is really nice It's run by West Coast Railways and put a leaflet on the table quite often travel on a jack-of-art There are the Charles trains now. I'll talk about local. You have a look. This is my map of where I've been everywhere my truck hours and Basically the yellow lines are what I've done on a unit a green highlight is what I've done on a local train So I can highlight all the way up here in green and then Orange which is steam but obviously not doing any steam today So it's gonna be a great trip. I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the ride up to Peterborough Following my arrival at Peterborough station I've had a rough brisk walk round to the other side of the river and railway lines and we've come to the Rail world. Well, there's a view. So we're gonna go in there We're gonna go in and we'll see the class 47s go past from there So the bridges you see to go to bridges as to east coast main line. This much lower bridge That's the line that goes over to Ealy, which I've traveled on so I'm just gonna head up there. That's where the Can't miss the first exhibit I've seen it a lot from the east coast main line. This is a hover train This is part of an experimental hover train which ran in Cambridge here. So let's go and see the 47s So after seeing the 47s depart I rushed over here to Peterborough Neen Valley station to see this pacer arrive on the Neen Valley Railway That'll be going again in the next 20 minutes or so. So what I'm going to do is I'll hang around here I'll watch that go and then we'll have another look around the Rail World site because that was the whole reason We came here. I'd love to do the Neen Valley Railway I could do a round trip today, but I feel if I was to do that I wouldn't have time to get off at each station and have a really good look and of course There's a couple of miniature railways up the line. There's one and ferry meadows, and there's also now one at Wantford. So The Neen Valley Railway is a video for another day. It's just making a bit of cameo Appearance day. Anyway, this is the hover train. So this was an experimental hover train which ran in Cambridge There's not much you can see left of it But it was a thing in the 70s that different countries were experimenting if you want to know about the French ones Have a look on the Tim Traveller great YouTuber He's made some interesting videos about the French hover trains But this is the carriage or one the carriage from the British hover trains Of a more familiar high-speed train just hiding underneath it. There's an HST It's a one-carriage HST and you may just be able to see there's also a Danish steam locomotive Which we don't get the best view of here. The Neen Valley Railway was known for having lots of foreign locos And I think they have got a Danish steam locomotive So I'd love to come and have a ride behind that So we're definitely definitely gonna come back and do Neen Valley Railway at some point possibly by the time You're watching this video. I may what I've already been So there's not really a lot else to see in this area I'm gonna have to go back into the site and we'll have a look around there So I'll have to go back to ticket office get one ticket out show them I've already been in we'll have a look around the site now. I've just seen a few interesting train movements class 47's places It's all gone a bit quieter now. You can have a look around the site. So here's the the hover train It's quite interesting. I was just reading the board about it It would have traveled at about 300 miles an hour. I said it had a test track over in Cambridge here If it's been rolled out over the country They've probably gone from London to Edinburgh in about an hour and a half So obviously much much faster than today's trains. Thanks to it is a model railway And I think if we press this button Should all start up You should see a train in the moment now. So Yeah, I can see First trains over there something should come out of these. Oh look James there James the red engine and there's a Just saw glimpse Thomas right over there. So we'll wait and see what is a lgb to double-headed lgb tank engines So it's like there's four circuits here, and then there's another line going up and down There's another train just coming around the corner another norm Thomas one. I think most of the trains are Thomas There's six trains. Yes, you've got Thomas James Percy and Toby And what I can see and then there's the lgb tank engine So that's quite exciting. I'll film more of the model railway Later on and I'll put all that into another video We're gonna go and look around the site was a couple of things on this side So this is the site of the old steam ship here. There's as Percy The end of his line he goes over quite a nice So some's a bit in the wrong place, so I can't show you that well, but there's nature's tea over there Right on the bat is a maglev carriage. I'll put a picture in now So that would have worked at Birmingham Airport between Birmingham International Station and the airport. I've been on its replacement quite a few times The other one is at the National Rail Museum hidden away So we're gonna go over the river now. It's quite unusual museum This in that it has a bridge in the middle of the museum over the river So it's effectively two halves. So where we were then that was a site of the steam ship So the steam ship would have been there. That was the Midlands steam shed LNER Randa or Round the line north and the Midland had a line coming across we're going up here now So it's quite an unusual railway museum. So that side has most of the rolling stock As it is literally next to the Neen Valley Railway. It has a connection with the Neen Valley Railway The other side of the river is more of a wildlife haven hence the name of the place It goes Thomas Reversing with Annie and Clarabel and there's the HST over there We're crossing the Neen now So it's funny really because you go over to public footpaths that kind of go under the site So it's like gentlemen walking on the river Neen there. He's not in the site. They're just public footpaths That's the bridge on the line that goes to Ely So I passed over that bridge on the class 47s and I will go to be dark by the time I go home But I'll go back over them this evening when I go home I can just see over there that she comes pretty out the spires of the cathedral Peterborough is a cathedral city. There used to be a power station just over there That's where Astor is. Peterborough does have a modern gas power station There used to be a coal power station and this used to be the yard all this area here. That's the wildlife haven This was the yard for the For the coal yard for the power station. So we're now across the river and it says Wildlife haven so it's gonna the video Tony's gonna change quite a lot here I did rush through here earlier to get to the viewing point see the class 47s, but now I'm not rushing anywhere. I'm just gonna walk around and enjoy These rather different sort of gardens. They're gardens. We have a woodland Railway theme. So we've got this old bridge here, which we're walking over Looks like we can go walk under and have to do that There's a signal box there. So let's go over the bridge and we'll go and have a look in that See there's no one else there. It's one of the things I'm making videos is Go to these places and you're going to have other visitors, which is is great But when there's no one there, I've sort of got to see some opportunity Interesting Look that's out the power station. I'm not too sure. Let's have a look in this signal box And then we'll go down there under the bridge I did think about seeing the train here as well 47s but in the end I didn't and Again, it's a Okay, so it's like there's no leadness But you can do two things here You watch birds and insects on one side You can watch trains on the other at least the birds and insects don't run to a time date There's also some rail cameras there and this tells you it's not much in the way of movement But this would tell us if there's a train coming on. I can't see there's anything So we won't wait for a train. There's a Thames link class 700 Park ground, the siding's It's the railway station's up there. So again, this line in the foreground is the line which goes Let's go outside. I can show you. It's you better This line is the line to Eevee. It's not electrified. In this case main line over there is the bridge I was showing you Over the mean is literally just there. That's the signal box Behind us. Looks really good for a record. See what's down under the bridge now Let's just follow this path and see where it takes us.  I tend to walk down every bit of the path. Oh, it's nice There's a pond here and another Like a smaller version of the bridge we just crossed So you've got a pond here Makes it very nice and calming listening to the water And it flows off down there in a stream To another bridge. So if we go down there and then is Like a lookout tower or mound So I don't know which one to go down. They all look so exciting That stream that created runs off and down there. Let's just have a Look around. Let's go up here Usually when I go to a sort of view point it's when I finish the video, but this one's kind of come on us How do I get to it? Okay, um, so the path is over there. This is it's like a maze this place For another bridge So yeah, it's a bit of a Amaze this place Quite unexpected. There's some more railway over there. I wonder if we can get to that. Perhaps we can't go down there I didn't say we can't Let's go back around there in that building. That's the exhibition center There is a cafe over there and there's also Some model railways, which I had a I poked my nose in just after seeing the 47th department So like I said, I'll put that on to another video. I might show you a clip. I'll have a look It's remind me a bit completely different but puzzle wood in Gloucestershire It's like a woodland where there's all these paths that take you down different places It's a bit of a maze. Oh, yeah, that's that bridge that went over the stream If I'd just come straight around there, we'd have made our way up the mound So we're now going up the mound This time This is what we get at the top. We get a view of the site You can see the stream we were looking at flows off Down there. The river Neen is just behind the trees over there So now I'm up here. I should be able to have a look See what else there is I think if we make our way down and under that bridge We can go and explore over there And then we've seen that part of the site so it's It's exciting here because you've got the railway aspects of It which I like And I do like going for walks In the countryside and just exploring So it's sort of got Yeah, both we've got gardens. We've got water It's got basically everything I like here Going under this bridge now This is mind your head. It's quite a low bridge Not the lowest bridge I've ever been under if you want to see what that is Have a luckily link on screen now Somewhere very different to here Where should we go now? They look so sort of exciting I've been inviting these paths. What's this? Neen bicycle Neen Holtz bicycle platform. What's this then? Is that a bit of railway line? I could see Oh, yeah. Wow. Look There's one of those rail bikes And uh I wonder if it works. It says don't touch it. So I'm not going to touch it But oh, yeah, there's a halt. So if I let's just I think we can go on to the platform So technically I'm now ticking off another railway station Um, I don't think I'm going to get the bike for haulage I don't know if it works or not. I'll say it says don't touch it. So I won't I did have a car and one in Serbia once But now I'm going to trek over there Um, yeah, so this is Neen Holtz An unexpected shack For those of you who don't know shack is a term that enthusiasts refer to for a railway station Probably because that is a little bit like a posh Shack. It's sort of done and painted and everything But you get some on the main network that aren't so nice as that So if you ever hear enthusiasts talking about a shack, they're talking about a railway station Let's go up here now. This will take us down to the other end of the site There's a little model church. It was kind of a model. I'll go down there It's like someone stopped building Uh, an OO scale model village outside So let's go have a look at that I'm quite enjoying my afternoon here. It's been completely different. I started the day off diesel bashing I ended up walking around a wildlife haven, which has little surprises So do we call this a model village or more of a sort of a scene? Yeah, look It's a model village So that's quite nice, you'll see They could have a model railway and a miniature railway They got, I don't know if that happened on Hanbelong 7th They had a miniature railway This place would be, yeah, amazing We've been down there Look, let's go down there again. We have been down here We haven't been down the other path If they had a model, a miniature railway, that would be great That's the path that took us down to that bridge Look through these beach, this little beach avenue Um, actually, we're just going to take us to Right, uh, we're having to retrace our steps here We've been to here before So if we go back over that bridge and then we'll Walk off down that path and just see what's at the end I sort of feel like I could, um, just go off and do this all off camera But I don't know what I'm going to find So I quite like sort of discovering it on camera for the first time So we'll have a walk down there now and see what there is This seems to be like the path at the back of the site But not everyone necessarily goes down straight away Isn't it? It's more peaceful So it feels now, I don't feel like I've got the place myself There are other visitors around but it's, it's sort of spread out Um, so that's why it feels like I'm just wandering around here on my own Let's go down this winding path Another place I have to say that reminds me a little bit of is, um, Is at Mount Sorrel, a branch off the Great Central Railway That's got a wildlife and railway kind of outdoor museum It does remind me of that place a bit So that's the end of that stream and see the awful So it's very pleasant I think I'm going to come to the end of what there is to see Although that said, wouldn't be surprised if we find something else Let's have a look at some old, here see what I mean About finding something else from Railway Bounds There's a bit of a lookout up there, we'll go up there in a moment So there are any things to see in here Might not be now they are locked up, okay Um, some beehives over there They're active, I can see a lot of bees Let's go up here to another viewpoint And then I think I'm going to go and get a cup of tea Because there's a little cafe over there And I've done a lot of walking around in the last hour Or more running around I think Well, this is a nice viewpoint Looking out across the river Neen And you've got an HST and a hover train in the background Moment ago, we were over there I've come back over the river Neen I've left the site now What I'm going to do, I thought I haven't got time to do the whole Neen Valley Railway today And like I said, I want to do it on a day I can do the whole line But because I've got still quite a long time Where I four hours till my class 47s take me back to London I thought I'd go for a walk I thought I'd go for a walk along by the Neen The logical thing to do And then thinking about it I thought, well if I was to walk along by the Neen Valley Railway So you've got a river Neen there The Neen Valley Railway here There's Peter Browningway station If I walk to Orton Mid, the next station I can have a ride on that pacer Back to here and I can take that off the haulage And I'll have done a bit of new track today And then at some point I'll come here again in the future And have a proper ride on the whole length of the Neen Valley Railway So I've walked for about half an hour Probably just over a mile along To this part of the river Neen There's a canoeing course here on this way I think it's something I would particularly want to do See some boats up there The station, Orton Mid, is just over here So you can see that road bridge That road actually goes right over the top of the station So probably in the next sort of 10, 20 minutes or so My train will arrive To take me back to Peter Brown So it's been quite a long walk Of course it's a flatter walk Because I've been following the river See here's the railway So I came across there I went over there to make that video The train's coming from that way So that's looking towards Wandsford Get a nice view of the station here That is post signal And the signal box, there's a junction as well Because you've got the line So one way goes to Peter Brown Neen Valley If you were to take the other line That goes to the connection with the East Coast Main Line There's also some nice signal box So it's like a Midland style box And it's got a modern frame Admittedly, I don't know too much the history Because this wasn't the plan It's just a spare time Of course I thought I'd do this little bit Neen Valley Railway I will come here and do a proper video Of Neen Valley Railway And I'll do the history And which station is open when I have a feeling this might be a completely modern creation That's certainly a modern station building there So yeah Apologies for no History on Neen Valley Railway It's coming in another video So this is a bit different for a heritage line station Having a modern road bridge running over it But at least from the station itself You're sort of by the river So if you were to come on the train If you get off here and go for walks Further up here's very meadows Where's the Mitch Railway Again, that's the video for another day I'm going to wait for my train now To take me back to Peterborough, Neen Valley Had a great time here in Peterborough So today I'm now standing on the bridge over the river Neen I'm going to follow the path back to the city centre You can just see the cathedral over there See East Coast Mainline behind me So I hope you enjoyed this video And if you're in Peterborough Do have a ride on the Neen Valley Railway And visit Railroad Thank you very much for watching Please do feel free to like, subscribe and comment And from a nice sunny evening in Peterborough Goodbye


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First game of the weekend is on Saturday, Fulham vs Arsenal, a London derby, West London vs North London, Fulham at home, that they'll be made up although there'll be no one in there at Craven Cottage. Arsenal, who've had obviously had a good end of the season, won the FA Cup, started the season by winning the charity shield, got a few players in, a Bamiang looks like he's about to sign a contract. How do you see this one going? I think normally there'll be loads of excitement for this because it'll be full, full of Craven Cottage, their fans will be bouncing. I think you look at it, Arsenal should have too much for them. But you never know, I mean Arsenal brought in William Salabers coming in and got Gabrielle as well, didn't he? But if a Bamiang plays, he's the key, he's absolutely, he proved at the end of the season how good he was. You know, Fulham done ever so well to get up in the playoffs, Scott Parker done great, they brought a couple of plays and brought a goalkeeper in on loan, a rheolaus in on loan. They're trying to get Kenny Tete in as well. So they'll be up for it, Mitrovic can be an fool for it. Anyone who might be a welcome to the Premier League for Gabrielle and Salabers of Mitrovic's plays. I think it'll be tight but I fancy Arsenal just with the likes of a Bamiang and just think he's different classes. They were always good away from home as well Arsenal. It dipped last season but they sort of started to pick it up towards the end. Went to a few difficult places like Sheffield United, where people don't think people expect them to win. Wolves as well, they brought them. So I expect an Arsenal win. They're 7-2. Faves are just clearly. That's the draw, sorry. They're 10-17 to win and they're 26-5 for the home victory for Fulham. I think Arsenal will win that. So difficult start for Fulham. I had a half-12 kickoff in the UK. Stock games, Crystal Palace playing Southampton. Sort of a good start for both of them this one because Crystal Palace are home. They'll be made up with that again. Not having that away card is a big thing. Southampton finished the season really strongly. They'll be with much of a gap. They'll hope to continue that Danny Ings, hoping to get back into the goal. Crystal Palace are one of their favourites to go down. So it'll be really interesting to see where these two cubs are first day of the season. I think it's brought easy and easy. I think it's easy. Who's a big lad and looks quite talented. They're trying to get mitty batch away. So I think if Hodgshin gets another couple of additions, I don't see them going down. Right now, obviously you never know where the way the season pans out, but they shut them. The battle where they know how to get these Ults Palace. Southampton were excellent in the second half of the season. Can they do it again? They seem to get that momentum and just pick it up. Can they do it? It remains to be seen. Looks like he's doing a good job there. But I think this one will be a draw. I think this will end one-one. 23-10 for the draw. 11-5 for Palace to win and 29-20 for Southampton. Half-five kick-off. Baptism of fire for the Leeds. Going to Amffield even if it's in it. Amffield is still a huge game. It's interesting. Obviously Liverpool champions. But Leeds, a lot of hype about Leeds. Let's be honest. A lot of hype out there about Leeds. Media has seen it. The rise of lit up because they've seen it. Now there's a lot of hype out there about Leeds. Media has seen it. The rise of lit up because they've seen it. Another one team from a city. So they know they're going to get all the hype. They know they're going to get all the fans. They know they're going to get all the eyes on them. They love the fact that there's a big club coming back to the Premier League. So they're loving it. They're all over Bielsen and everything. This is going to be an interesting start for them. They tend to want to get in a way when they're in Amffield. When nobody's won for what, three years? Three years. Sam Halibais. Last man to win there. Of course, a palace. Of course. Fournil. I don't live it. Listen, I don't live it. It probably won't be fournil. But I think Liverpool will win comfortably. Leeds done really well. Come on now. They did. They done well. But they didn't win it at a cante. But they done well to get up Bielsen. They've done a good job. They've done a great job since they've gone in there. And it's good that they've given them the heart and the hope. They've obviously signed Roger Eagle. They've brought the record to get him in Shrekif in Spain. I think all eyes will be on him. Really they're still trying to do business. But there's a world of difference playing Championship football to play in a team. It's just won the Premier League. It would be interesting as well because Leeds love the high press. They're all about the press in Liverpool. They're all about the press as well. So it would be interesting to see how that works out. Liverpool are clearly the best at it because they're the champions. But it would be interesting just to see going up against proper players. Exactly. Players who haven't got sleeves full of tattoos.  Liverpool are three to ten to win. It would be interesting how me and Leeds could look cheap at Shrekif but I just don't see it. What it would be interesting to see is Leeds on the first day team coming up. It's not all about the first day as well. Teams growing. When Wolves come up and there's a lot of hype and we drew with them 2-2 and you were like they grew because they were laying on the job in the Premier League I think. So that's going to be hugely interesting. Westam vs Newcastle Who wants to watch Westam Newcastle at eight o'clock at night? Who wants that? Surely no one wants to watch any football at eight o'clock at night. I don't mind, I don't mind the evening game but I don't want to watch Westam vs Newcastle. I mean it'd be worse if there was fans there obviously. Yeah, there was fans there obviously. That would be a terrible time. No no, awful game. Didn't Newcastle go there last year and beat them? So they did and it was a really good result and they just batted three to ten in the end. But Newcastle don't want the counter to that about three times and it's a maximum score. But Dave Bort, Dave Bort pushed some good players this week Newcastle. Will some Fraser have come in to give them some knowledge. Good Premier League players so they're looking to improve on what they did last season. It'll be interesting to see how they do this season. Westam still look like a club in terms of obviously Mark Noble coming out the other day when the kid moved off to West Brom. He was fuming over that. There was room as Moise was going to quit. There's all the normal. They're trying to get Tarkovsky from Burnley at the moment. But then again Westam do have Halle and they do have Antonio where it can be a handful. Give Bowen a new squad number. Do you know what I mean? It's a big move. It's a big move. It's a big move. It's a big move. I think it'll be a draw. That one. That 28-11 for a draw. Newcastle's got a way win. 6-5 for Westam to get a home win. Sunday West Brom vs Lester 2 o'clock kickoff. 2 o'clock kickoff. Interest on one. Interest on one. Cos obviously Westam on coming up. Lester didn't have a great end of the season. Had a bit of a disappointment. You'd think that Lester are the favourites because obviously finished fifth in the Premier League. We're in a top two for a long time. Got the likes of Jamie Vardy. But Westam again the first day it obviously looked a lot different if the whore tones were full. Yeah. I think I'm going to go with the draw. I'm going to say West Brom. 45-17 the draw. I'm just going to say that West Brom will be well prepared to hang in there unless they'll feel away into the sea. And a way win is evens. West Brom are 3-1 to win. But that'll be in. They're always the fives. It's always interesting though first game of the season. I watched Lester the other week against Sheffield Wednesday in a friendly. I watched a bit of it and it was alright. But Sheffield did get a lot of chances. The half four kickoff obviously Everton versus Tottenham at home. Of course half four kickoff. Again it was like that long ago that we played each other. Obviously it was like a 0-0 but they got a jammy deflected goal. Neither teams did enough to win it but obviously Tottenham did. Tottenham have got few new signings Evan have got three new signings I think both teams will be desperate not to lose the game just to get themselves into the season. But Everton haven't won down there for a few years Tottenham have got a really good record against Evan so everything is set up in a way when I would say 7-2. 10-11 for Tottenham to win 15-4 for the draw. Does feel like it will probably be a draw though doesn't it? I feel like it will be a 2-2 I think it will be a tight game but with some goals because teams aren't up to that speed. But again it will be interesting to see Menino with a bit more way. It will be interesting to see if there is like now that we've all watched the documentary whether any of that people have looked at it at the club and gone a bit like didn't know that was going to be there or didn't You know what I mean? You wonder that sometimes I don't think that's going to be like affect anything on the pitch but if anyone is going to try and kick son on his arm or anything like that you know I don't know I don't know Who knows? Who knows? And the final two games of the weekend Nadie and Man United both are not playing because of playing in Europe so they've been giving more time off. Sheffield's United are playing Wolves, that's a cockych off on Monday which is weird. That'll be a ticking I think Sheffield's United are home The interesting to see how Sheffield's United do now this season they obviously were brilliant they had a great season last season fell away a little bit towards the end but they had a very good season Wolves being good for two seasons and have long season and felt like they only finished about two weeks ago the last season so there'll be a lot of them and obviously Dowagerty was really important to them, moved on now to Spades but they've got Fabio Silvering having a lot of money the other day they spent on another Portuguese kid on loan that after someone else so that after Corona as well from Porto the wing of Jesus Corona just to clarify I mean Portugal has just been out of the bandwidth Yeah but that's his name so they're trying to strengthen obviously and you know they're trying to strengthen so it'll be interesting whether they can keep it going this season but they are a good try but again that's another one that's got the feeling of a draw all over it 29 to 10 for the draw 3 to 1 This is a weird one The last game of the weekend is Brighton vs Chelsea You played each other a couple of weeks ago on a friendly 2 weeks ago on a friendly 3-1 Monday Corp A State on Monday I mean Chelsea will be looking to get off to a great start I think Chelsea will win that I think they'll win the 3-1 I think Chelsea will win the 3-1 I think Ben it'll get a cup I just think they'll have to see They'll have to see much for them in my opinion Being to be good to the water now only with you know see the new players Brighton have got Ben White I think they've trained on a few bids they've said he's part of their future he'll be in Adam Lalana's but Chelsea you know better and see it and have it and you know it goes on so interesting Gonna be interesting Premier League is back tomorrow So if you want to have a bet make sure to download the odds checker app The link is in the description Don't forget you must be 18 Please please gamble responsibly as well Thanks to odds checker for doing our countdown for the Premier League season the one stop betting called there you go We'll be back on Monday to talk about the results so far So there you go thank you for watching We'll see you later