Welcome once again to the breakfast and plus to the Africa. We're now joined this morning by Professor Meka Ozorji the Director Center for No Magic Education in the University of Jaws. Good morning, Professor Ozorji. Good morning, Professor Ozorji. Can you hear me? Hello. Good morning. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. How are you? Very well. Thanks for joining us All right. Can you hear me clearly, Professor Ozorji? Yes. Yes, I can hear you. All right. You're welcome. Can you hear me clearly? Yes. Okay. Well, we're just trying to start with asking for latest updates from Plateau State. The renews reports say that 36 people were killed, you know, in the latest attacks. There's also been evacuations from the University of Jaws because of the crisis also happening over there. So can you give us the latest updates from Plateau State? All right. Okay. Good morning, presenter. The situation in Jaws, Plateau State, is calm following the imposition of coffee, 24-hour coffee in the city. And people are really complying with their coffee. Everywhere is calm. People are not moving around. And I thank you for continuing this way. Before long, the coffee will be reviewed. I'm really impressed with the response to what the governments call coffee. Yeah, Bob, you know, would you say the curfew is the answer to ending the killings in Jaws? Well, it is, I suppose, because if the coffee wasn't imposed by now, the story would have been quite different and it would have been more disastrous. So I think I would commend the governor for taking proactive measures to increase the period of coffee from six to six to 24 hours. And that has actually brought the situation to very normal for now that people are indoors. And it's actually happening. All right. So now let's talk about, you know, seek details into what exactly is happening. What would you say is responsible for these killings? Who are these people that are committing these atrocities? Well, this is a security issue. And I think we have to listen to those who are responsible for handling or managing security in the place. As a non-security person, one cannot make exact guess of what actually prompted or what caused the situation on ground. So for all of you who can say is that we know something is happening. Where it is coming from or who caused what. One is not in a position to say or to know because there's not what we do. What's the area of action or the addition?  And of course, this includes also the crisis. Now, let's also go into the University of Johnson where you're, you know, a professor. Yes.  So you're in the University of Johnson. Can you also give us some clarity as to what is going on? While the problem started, the University of Johnson was running a semester examination for 2019-2020 session as it was in the middle of that exam that this problem started. And the University administration took very prompt action by suspending the exams for that week, hoping that the situation will return to normal for us to continue. Unfortunately, it didn't. And quickly, the University administration now extended the suspension of the examination until further notice and asked students to go home until the situation is normal, then they will be recalled, even sufficient time to come back and resume their exams. Yeah. But you mentioned, you know, that it was during the semester examinations, the crisis started, what I'm trying to get, and this is what I hope that you'll be able to share with us, what exactly is the crisis? That's what we're trying to understand this morning. Because this is a university community. So what exactly is the crisis that you're speaking of in University of Johnson? The university community. And we only hear that this has happened or this is going to happen. What constant is within the people outside the university? But we know we experience the ripple effects of the situation, the scenario in the city. But for us as academic staff, the university as a member of the community shares some of the pains of what has happened. For instance, right now, students at home, lecturers are not going to work, university is more or less like a good staff. That is the ripple effect of what has happened. And for as long as it is this way, there will be no progress in the academic calendar. And that will set us back really, rather moving forward. Has there been any incidents that have happened on campus? Come again.  Well, apart from the people that were killed the first time that it happened, no other one has actually happened. And we don't pray that any other one will happen within the university community. And as staff or students, right now students at home, so we don't expect them to be affected. Yes. Okay, so can you also share a little bit about the first incident, the one you're referring to? What was that incident about? I'm sorry, come again. I'm asking about the incident you just referred to. Can you share a little bit, you know, more information? Oh certainly, there's the influence. The university is part of the ecosystem of the community of the state. And now all the businesses that depend on students and staff are all grounded. And the community, immediate community of the university is like a ghost town. Those that apply and convey students to hostel or lectures are not there. The food vendors are not there. Those around the provision shops and all that are not there. So it affects everybody within that community. Yeah, well, what I'm trying to get an apologies that I keep, you know, happen on this.  That's so it's that incident I'm trying to get.  Was that a communal clash on campus? Was that a tribal clash on campus? Well, all I can say is that we're all in the campus doing kind of auto legitimate activities when it is started. And the coffee that was imposed, not many, but not everybody actually had no about that. About those that got to know actually stayed in the hostels. Quite a few, probably for one reason or the other. For instance, the lady, the student that was going to church, running to this type of problem. But apart from that, if what that thing was quite normal, and the loss of life, those students was very actually of very unfortunate. And we pray that we don't experience such again, parents, they send their children to school, to experience that type of situation. And we pray that when we have the opportunity to call back we can find our safety activities, product lectures, write the exams, and bounce back to normal flow of academic program in the university. All right. What's the current security situation in Joss?  Well, the town and gown, the town and gown effects of the university and community stay there. And we hope that we will live peacefully. And we respect each other's rights to live peacefully. And because that will give us the opportunity to benefit from each other. And that is what our prayer is. No, what I'm asking is, you know, now that there is a curfew, is the town, is the community, are there security agents currently present in that community? Well, it's difficult for me to say because I'm in my house. I say responsibilities in my house. So I wouldn't know precisely what is happening out there within the university community. But I know within where I live, everybody is responding and everywhere is calm. Okay. You know, and you know, what other response would you want from the governor of the state, Simon Lalong? I'm asking what other, you know, steps would you expect from the governor of the state? Oh, I'm actually full of praise for the governor for actually taking that immediate step to impose the curfew. And I believe, as the chief secretary of the state, his administration will discuss probably with our own administration, and when they put their heads together, they will come up with an ever praying ground that will make for peace and comfort, prayer, existence. I'm sure at that level, the governor is responsible, the activist chancellor of the university is also responsible. And two of them will never allow this type of situation to drag for long. And I'm sure they're actually putting their heads together. They are discussing the issue. And before long, the actions they made is they are holding with their fruits. And not much to talk about. Professor Ameka Ozarji, thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for the opportunity. All right. Some of these conversations are really set for truth and clarity with regards to what exactly is taking place in Jaws. And you know, so that the media itself also stops misinterpreting some of these things. We will, of course, we'll be speaking with someone else in Plateau State this morning to understand better, you know, if these are communal clashes, if there's a killings by militia groups, if these are killings by bandits, or if these are religious, you know, issues once again. I'll take a short break. When we come back, we'll be joined by someone else who, of course, is reaching out to us from Plateau State this morning. Welcome once again this morning on the breakfast in PlosTV Africa. We're now joined by Dan Manjang, the commissioner for information Plateau State. Good morning, Mr. Manjang. Thanks for joining us. Yeah. Good morning, Nigeria. Good morning, everyone. All right. Let's get into the discussion. I want us to start with getting some clarity as to what exactly is happening in Jaws. Yeah. Well, what is happening in Jaws is in the public domain, but I can tell you the official issue is officially is that there is a curfew that has been imposed on Jaws North, local government, Jaws South, and then Jaws North, Jaws Southern, Bahasa, local governments. This curfew we had, we, we, yeah. Hello. Go ahead, Mr. Manjang. Yes, I said what is happening is that there has been a curfew imposed on Jaws North, Jaws South, and Bahasa local governments. We were on the verge of relaxing the curfew in Jaws North because it was for 24 hours. When we, when we, when we had a carnage the day before yesterday in the night, we had an issue, people were killed, scores of people were killed. And so what happened, what has happened right now is that the curfew, the 24-hour curfew on Jaws North was restored under the directive of His Excellency, the governor of Plateau State. We arrests have been made if you had the, if you have, if you are privy to the press release that was issued by the director of press and public affairs, arrests have been made. Yes. Yeah, Mr. Manjang. Yes, I, I have- You're not hearing me. Yes, we can hear you. We're aware that arrests have been made. I think the papers say about 10 people have been arrested. But you know, what I'm, what we're hoping that we would understand is what exactly is causing the killings in Jaws? Who are these people responsible for these killings? Can you share with us from what you know you know? Yes, from, from, from what we know, like the one that happened last week, or they are about, the, the arrests will, will show, we will now unravel the people that are doing the killing. But we wouldn't want to stereotype the people, the security is doing that. But I can tell you what clearly is playing out is historical. It has been over the years. What is clearly playing out is that apart from the criminal element that is involved, there's every attempt to be able to chase people from their land and then, and then occupy it, because that has happened in the past. And what government has been able to do is to provide the enabling law to an antigraving bill that has been signed into law by His Excellency, the governor of Plato State. And so we expect that people would now go, will take advantage of this law. But I cannot show you that clearly it is, apart from the criminal elements that is involved, it is an attempt to, because of the pressure on land, to be able to chase people and then occupy their land. So, who, who are these persons that are trying to occupy the lands of people in Jaws? Like I said, the investigation is, is going to show. It's not for me to say this to stereotype a people now, because these people are, the arrests have been made and investigation is going on. There are people that have made, there are people that have made confessional statements, even in the past week, putting, even pointing accusing fingers to some community leaders that have been on bail and their bail conditions have been, have been, have been considered. And we take it from there, the, the, the judiciary, the honest rest upon the judiciary to be able to tell us who these people are. Mr. Manjong, you're not necessarily stereotyping anyone. What we're trying to understand is, you know, who these people are, you know, that are trying to chase residents in, in these communities in Jaws away from their land. It's, it's not stereotyping anyone. It's simply saying that, you know. The investigations, the investigations are going to show who these people are. Investigations are on. It will amount for the, it will amount for me putting the, the card before the horse. Okay. Where investigations is not, is not concluded. It's going to be prejudicial for me to do that. But when the time comes and the, and the investigations are concluded, we will put it in the public domain. At this moment, we will not be able to put it in the public domain because the investigation is going on. There are people that are handling the matter and I cannot go on public television and then go ahead of them and say, these are the people. I'm not part of the arrest. Probably, probably the commissioner of police would be able to tell you. Okay. Now, now let's also talk about the reaction of the plateau state governor. There was a curfew that was imposed in just north, which has now been extended, you know, and made to a 24 hour curfew. Would you say that a curfew initially failed? And this might be, you know, work this time? We wouldn't say that the curfew failed because without that curfew being put in place, the situation would have escalated. It would have been worse. It would have been a free for all fight on the streets of just and beyond. And so the curfew has been able to put people in check wherever that they are. The curfew has been able to put a lot of security to occupy these areas and bring to the barest minimum the courage would have been experiencing on the city of those. Yes, they are up in the pockets of even killing during the curfew period. But it is not enough for us to say that the curfew failed. The curfew as far as we are concerned as a government is doing what it is supposed to do is providing the enabling environment so that we can checkmate this kind of crisis. Otherwise, it would have been a free for all. What I'm saying is these only three local governments out of the 17 that this thing is happening, it has not even is filled over to any of the local government. So we thank God that the situation and the peace initiatives that we are putting the curfew being one has been able to contain the crisis where it is at the moment. On the state level, Mr. Manjang, this isn't the first time that we're hearing of, sadly, it's not the first time we're hearing of a situation like this or killing in Platoon State in the last couple of years. Has there been anyone in the last few years that has been prosecuted to the full extent of the law has been arrested and prosecuted for these killings? As a state government, I was managing information during the past administration and I understand the issues very well. There was the Nikitobi Commission of Inquiry set up by pre-administration before the other one, the Joshua Dari administration, the Jonathan administration had a commission of inquiry and I can assure you that what government did is to be able to come up with white papers to provide the enabling environment to make sure that there's prosecution. One of the issues why people are so angry is because the provisions of these commissions of inquiry have not been implemented. People are calling and we also call for the implementation. I can tell you that the Nikitobi Commission of Inquiry, for example, inducted a commissioner of police and said that he should be relieved of his position but he was instead promoted to the position to the rank of an IG. These are some of the things that people would say, what have you done on your own part as a government? Government has been able to be magnanimous to come up with the white paper in the first place. Otherwise, if the white paper was not brought, you will not have anybody to, you will not have the document to prosecute and you know, me, you know that prosecution depends on, it's at different levels. For government to be able to provide the white paper is good enough and there are other levels, the courts need to prosecute individuals who feel they are shortchanged. The white paper provides for them to go and seek redress in the courts of law and those are the issues. Government cannot do what people need to do. People, there are things that government would do and there are things that the people would do. There are things that other arms of government would do, which they may not seem to be doing. So, okay, well, so are you then saying that, you know, progressive governments in Plateau State have had their hands tied and not been able to prosecute anybody, you know, for these killings, including those who have been arrested in the past because now there's more arrests. So, you know, these people who have been arrested and investigated, you know, would you say that they also will not be prosecuted? Yeah, when you talk about government now, then you have to specify, you have to define which part of government. The executive arm of government has been able to provide the enabling environment by coming up with the white paper. And so, the executive arm of government will not arrest, the executive arm of government will not prosecute, will not take people to court, but the enabling environment has been provided by coming up with the white paper, ratified, duly ratified by the state executive council. So, what you are saying now is that the state security agencies, the state's criminal justice system has not been able to act on recommendations from the Plateau State government over time? It's not what I am saying. If people have been given justice, there are instances whereby people were caught in this state in the past, in the life of the past administration, they were taken to court. In the process of them being prosecuted, their court files were transferred to Abuja, and that was the end of it. It is in the public domain. At that point, what would the state government have done? Because they were being prosecuted in the place where according to the enabling laws. This is what we are saying that justice, if justice is not done, there is not only seen to be done, justice must be done so that people, so that it can serve as a deterrence to others. But what I am saying is that as a government, the enabling environment has been created so that justice can be delivered to those that feel they have been shortchanged. The governor of Plateau State was also seen to have visited President Muhammad Al-Bawari sometime this week or sometime last week. Can you confirm that there was that visit and what the conversation was like in Asorak? Yes, there has been, there was that visit and the conversation is also in the public domain. The conversation is talking about the state of insecurity of the state. The conversation is talking about the humanitarian crisis that we have. And the President, Federal Republic of Nigeria has given directive that the Minister of Humanitarian Affairs should be, should take charge and should come to the aid of Plateau State. Because we have that, we have that at the back of our mind. And what the governors of such states are saying, they should be, they should not be called only Chief Security Officers of their state, but they should be given some semblance of authority to be able to command the troops. And that is the state police policing and in some instances community policing. But the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria has been up and doing, has cooperated, has directed the Spectre General Police to send detachment of mobile police to come and reinforce the ones, the security men that are here on ground. And that has been working for us. Without this cooperation, without the Federal Government, I don't think we would have been where we are. Little would have been done that the President has acted within the capacities of his powers. But what we are saying is that still more that needs to be done, like people would always say, as Oliver Twist will always ask for more. If there's anything that we would ask, we also want to appeal to our brothers in the National Assembly, because it is the constitutional matter. Let them give the governors the teeth to bite, not for them to only bite, not for them to only buy vehicles, buy gadgets for security, fund security. And at the end of the day, they cannot command even a boy's brigade, a captain of the boy's brigade. Yeah, but, you know, there's also security votes that are being sent to the governors every month. I'm sure you are aware of that. There's funds being sent for security. And so it's expected that, you know, the governor should be able to make use of those funds in somehow or some way to ensure the protection of lives and property in his state. Don't you agree with that? It's being done. That is being done. That is why we are supporting the security. That is why in Plateau State today, we have the peace building agency and we are supporting the agency with that. That is why we have the interreligious council where we are supporting them. And that is why we have, as a state, we have oppression rainbow, which is a sampler of the state police, and we are supporting them. And that is why in this state, in Plateau State, we have been able to employ 3,500 youths and posted them to 17 local governments and trained by the police for intelligence, guarding and matters like that. And it has helped. It has yielded results. Otherwise, if we had not done all those things, I can assure you, we live in just. The problem with people is that people that don't live inside just are the problem. They don't know what is happening. Without these initiatives that we have put in place, there would have been no Plateau State today. I assure you. Okay. So, you know, share with us, you know, and I hope that we can, or before I get into that, I want you to go a little deeper with some of the concerns that you made, you stated earlier. You said that there has been a white paper. There has been a, you know, action plan that has been stated over time by governors and governments of Plateau State, but there doesn't seem to be action from the executive. You may mention of people who have been arrested, who have been found culpable, and their files are transferred to Abuja, and that, you know, seems to be the end of the case. Is this information, you know, also being sent to President Muhammad Abu Hari? Is he aware? At that time, at that time that that happened, it was not President Muhammad Abu Hari that was there. That was there. It was in the life life of the past administration, because I was I was the media advisor to the to the then Governor Jang at that time. And so I knew the situations very well. And the past administration did raise this and we are raising it in the public, in the public domain now. Whatever happened is in the public, it happened with human beings, and it will not be out of place for the for the federal authorities, even in this administration to raise the issues. All what we are what we are saying is is to be able to find solutions to the problem that we are. We have to go back and dust the book, dust all those white papers, dust what has happened if we want to refer to ourselves and make sure that justice is delivered. Because justice denied is not good. It will be a recurrence. And and and God and this piece matter, this piece process, it should be all hands must be undead. When you say government and I have problems with that. Yes, we know that government who has a responsibility, we have shown to even protect life's property. And that is what we are doing. But all hands must also be undead because government is also human beings. Government is not an abrasion, is not a utopia. Government is human being is people. Before we I'm going to be introducing another guest to of course join in this conversation. But I want to ask Dan Manjang, the commissioner for information plateau state, how do you feel personally about these killings in your state? We feel very bad, very, very bad, very sad because there's a lot that we need to have done. We have been we have gone so many years backwards now because resources are being channeled to what we did not bargain for. And even if it was something that we bargain for, we will not bargain for crisis. We feel bad. I feel bad as a human being. We feel bad as a government that peace initiative has been ruptured that our developmental efforts are being slowed down. And so and every we feel bad when even an animal is killed wrongly. So we feel bad that even if it is a human being only one soul that will lose wrongly, we feel very bad about it. So it's not a thing that any any right thinking person on plateau state would say is happy about. All right, I'm going to get back to you with regards to the relationship and communications with the commission of police in plateau state. But before that, I want to introduce Dave Zoyong, he's a native of Anaguta. I hope I pronounced it right. Good morning Mr. Zoyong. Good morning. Nice to be here. Thanks for joining us. So I want you to quickly also share your views on what currently is going on in plateau state. Of course, if you've been following with currently speaking with the commissioner for information.  So kindly share with us as best as you can describe it. What is going on in plateau state? Thank you for the opportunity. Like you said, Anaguta by trial. And this is a very root shot for my community, because this is the very first time it's happening to us as a community. And we're getting to the lamelight just for the wrong reasons. If you are familiar, eventually, if you maybe get to read about the history of our business, we are only found in just north local governments. You probably haven't heard of us because there hasn't been any reason negatively to be heard about. We've lived peacefully with everybody in the state. Every people that come to just know us as a peace loving people. But it was a very root shock for us to wake up and see from no provocation are people are slaughtered, burned to ashes while they're sleeping. You know, it's it's I'm I'm still going through the trauma the committee is through going through morning. We've read about this. We've seen but as the people are imploded, there's a we have a bureau brothers have suffered this over time have the people that have suffered over time. But you know, you will never know how it feels to have us to you. You know, so this is something we never prepared for. We just read pages of these papers in that happens to other places in the country. We see our brothers close neighbors, these things happening to them. But you experience it yourself is a completely different thing. So the atmosphere is it's very tensive now.  But you know, there are talks where comparing notes and see what we did wrong or what we did not do right for this thing to happen to us as a community. Is there any information with regards to people responsible for these attacks and these killings? You know, it's too it's too I don't want to be presumptuous about that.  I spoke with the Commissioner of Police yesterday. He showed me the 10 arrests been already made already made. And I hope they will, you know, bring out the identities of those that are involved in this from stories from what has happened in the neighboring communities. It has been, you know, it is it's it's it's it's it's said that it's the full army people that do this. But I don't want to say it's full army people that did this to us until the proper investigation is done. And I'm sure I'm aware that there are a couple of people that injured and have identities of those that did that to them, but they still have to be profiled through the security agencies to have a particular identity of those that are responsible for this.  Remember some some time ago, there was the Irigue community that also had its own chaos. So is there also those possibilities that this is really just two communities fighting each other? Or is it, you know, land grabbing, as the Commission for Information had earlier mentioned, is there possibilities that it's maybe people trying to, you know, kick or kill and drive some people away from their land? I will go with the latter, because when you say there's a community clash, there must be two communities involved. And there must be casualties on both sides, or some sort of, you know, imbalance in the umbrella group. But in this case, people were sleeping. So how is it a clash? You know, we are blessed with a very, very fatal land in Jaws. And I will not run it from a theory that is a deliberate act to take over the land. There are complaints that there are illegal encroachments in lands in Jaws. There are green areas that I've been coached upon by people close to this place that this thing happened. There have been court cases and judgments concerning this. And nothing has been done by government to reclaim these lands. And I'm aware that there were attempts a couple of months ago in the last administration that when the process was going to come to bear, the government set up a tax force for city renewal, they called it then. And the tax force went, demolished houses in one part of the states. And when they were there, they were rebuffed by the people that illegally had appended spaces with weapons. And nothing has been done since then. So the theory of land grabbing is totally in place. I believe it absolutely. Okay. Before we go back to Commissioner for Information Plans to state Dan Manjang, Mr. Zoyong, I want you to also, you know, quickly share your views on, you know, an incident that took place a few weeks ago where there was reports of about 20 travelers that were murdered. Was that properly described? What I can tell you, it's the same thing you read or investigate as a journalist. I totally condemn the fact that people are traveling and this thing happens to them. But you see, I am also aware that, you know, there are times where passions are ignited. There are people who become collateral damages to things they know nothing about. And, you know, I'm aware that the day this thing happened, these people were going to bury, you know, the kids and kids that were killed by Fulani people because they are called Fulani people. And it just happened that these other people are Fulani who are passing through that route. It's a very bad coincidence. I totally condemn it. It's sort of a good thing. They are just victims of what they don't know anything about. All right. I wanted to go back to Dan Manjang, the Commissioner for Information Plans to state. Mr. Zoyong, kind of hold on. Mr. Manjang, can you still hear us? Yes, I'm with you. Okay, great. Mr. Zoyong has, of course, shared his views and also agrees with your narrative concerning the land grabbing perspective. But I want you to speak with regards to the Commissioner of Police in Plateau State and how, you know, he has also assisted, you know, in the recent times in helping solve this crisis. Yeah, well, it is not only the Commissioner of Police. The GOC Third Armoured Division has been up and doing. And the Inspector General of Police have been up and doing in this matter. And so the gentlemen are doing their best to make sure that we restore peace on the Plateau. They have their challenges like any other person would have. But we want to put it on record that even yesterday, the Commissioner of Police was with the people. He followed through, even to the government house where the corpses were deposited. He was there. He was talking to the communities, talking to the people trying to pacify them. And I can assure you we didn't have any casualty. We didn't have any incident. He allowed the people to vent their anger to be able to, so that they could calm down. And we thank God that there was no incident at the House of Assembly. There was no incident at government house that would escalate the situation beyond what it was. Under normal circumstances. So in other claims, you would have even caught further casualty, but the security agencies acted in the most professional manner that they should. And so we want to give kudos to them, even though there's much that they need to do to make sure that since they are occupying these territories for this community in Yelwanzangam, yesterday they were complaining that... Well, it seems we may have lost the commissioner for information there, Dan Manjang. Mr. Zoyong, can you still hear us? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay. Well, I'm going to go back to you now and also get your thoughts on the response of the governor of Plateau State, Simon Lalong. News reports say that he also has visited President Mahmoud Abouhari and given updates on the security situation in the state and also asked for assistance for internally displaced persons. But I want to get your view on his response as the Chief Security Officer of Plateau State. There's a place of governance and there's a place of people who are governed. There's a place of security and the place of civilians. The governor has his protocol speaking concerning issues of state and he has to be seen between being in charge. But I just want you to see this happening. And for the person that is having to agree whether it's happening properly or not, well, his message is brought to the president and I don't know the full content of the report. But from what I got out, he gave the government the present impression that no one has returned to just and unfortunately that's why he was there that this happened. So I don't know at what level he got his intelligence or estimates that gave him the the content of what he told the president. I'm aware that the government is doing its best to calm the situation. And like I mentioned yesterday, I said, and I heard you also ask Mr. Manjan about the coffee. Coffee is good, but coffee should not be good for certain people and those other people. It has to be a totality. You know, those that are at hinterlands, which is the center of attacks in Plata State are the people that need security more than those that in townships. They are there particular sports in town that if you put security people, crazy, we don't escalate. But the people that are vulnerable are those in the villages in the outskirts that these marauders go to with no security. So I don't know the definition of coffee. Is coffee just meant for people that live in town or particular places? Because this kind of happened when there was coffee. Also I keep saying there was coffee just behind the university of jobs. So the university community itself is us. You know, we all know that we heard that a lot of parents are removing their words from the university. You know, members, governments are thinking that was out of the university because of the exposure of the university to these communities. I think they should go on speaking the normal and make sure that there is a physical presence of security people to assure the people that we're here. Okay, hold on. Welcome back Mr. Manjang. Yes, I'm with you. All right. Mr. Zoyong believes that the curfew may not be enough. And you know, maybe if there was going to be a curfew, it should be centered on, you know, the communities where the East crisis is taking place, not just across the whole of the state or across the whole of just North. Mr. Manjang, is it in any way, you know, how does it feel knowing that as we are speaking currently, there's a possibility that there are still persons in just North and maybe other parts of the state that are heavily armed in some of those communities, maybe waiting for, you know, the next time that they can strike. What, you know, does that make you or how does that make you feel? And what would be your the steps that you would take if you were in positions to, you know, take action? Yeah, well, as a matter of fact, it is very sad whether we like it or not. There's proliferation of arms in the hands of people, people illegally owned weapons. It's a huge issue that has to be grappled with. There was a point in the life of this administration that we wanted to mop up those weapons and provide an amnesty. We gave a deadline. We could only retrieve part of a few of it. All I can say is that it is very sad that we will have this kind of situation. And like you did say, if I were in a position of this to handle this matter, the way we are going about it is the way I would also go about it. I will appeal to the sensibilities of the people. There are people, there are stakeholders that you need to sit down. Religious institutions have a responsibility. Religious leaders have a responsibility. Community leaders have a responsibility. And to a very large extent, we have to now change our style of talking to stakeholders.  So what we are doing as a government is that we are telling community leaders, local government chairmen, councillors that they should cascade it down to the various communities because I believe that there is nobody that does not have the person that he listens to. And so we must go back to the drawing board and look at the issue disproportionately. And the target should be these youths that are causing this same. The other issue is to be able to reduce to the barest minimum the way they can get access to illicit drugs and things that they consume because there is no human being that is in his right senses that will go and commit this kind of heinous crisis. So we all have to put our hands on that. The coffee I had my brother David talking about it, we agree that there are issues that criminality is still being perpetrated under coffee. But him and me know with all sincerity that without the coffee it would have been a free for all fight and the situation would have been uncontrollable. They would have not had, just not today would have not had had probably Plato State. Without the coffee, the coffee has had to put people in check. The coffee has happened to be able to occupy. And that is what we are doing. If there's any, there's no body in the position of authority, including my brother David, that is happy about what is happening in Plato State right now.  But from what you know has been described in our conversation, it feels like it's just one side attacking the other. Mr. Zoyong, I'm coming back to you now. These communities that were previously attacked, do you have any information as to who currently occupies these communities? Is it still the, you know, the core indigents? Or is it, you know, maybe some of those who had attacked and have taken over these communities? I will give you information as, you know, spoke about the senator representing the Northern Zone. He had come out categorically clear to say that over 60 villages have been taken over by full-time herdsmen in the Northern Zone. And they are currently being occupied by them. Physical structures. So when people say these people are unknown, they are unknown. I don't know the definition of unknown. You know, the locations they have told these houses, they say geographical contiguity they're occupying. It's not hidden. It's not in mass. So it's a very straightforward answer. These people are known. Their locations are known. The structures are known. They are in particular places, especially in Barakiladi and Rium Luka Mountains. They are known. So it's a straightforward answer. Mr. Manjank, would you confirm that? As a matter of fact, we have always said that people that perpetrate, even the governor has collaborated to say that it is not, they are not ghosts. That they are not unknown. But we don't want to stereotype people because I can assure you that as a government, I have said it thanks to that number. Even when they are known, there's the enabling environment. Government has been able to put a bill and then it has been signed by its excellency into law until land grabbing. I've said it that this matter is about land grabbing. And I've said that the enabling law, you cannot even prosecute even when you know them. You cannot even prosecute when the enabling law is not there. But for government to have provided the enabling law for them to be prosecuted, people are now challenged to go ahead for the prosecution. They have the enabling law to be able to prosecute. It's not for government to continue to prosecute. What government needs to do, it has done by providing the enabling environment for people to prosecute. And like he did say, it's not for everything that happens. Human beings that perpetrate acts, they are not ghosts. The governor has said they are not ghosts that kill people. They should not be called unknown. There's no body that lives in a community that is not known. And if stranger elements come in, the community leaders should be able to know. There should be rules of engagement of living in a community. And government recognizes those rules of engagement. So this is where I have a challenge. One of the reasons that acts about the relationship with the commission of police in Plateau State. If you have that rapport, you have that relationship, you are saying that or you agree that these communities have been infiltrated. They know the new faces in the community. They know that these communities have been infiltrated by foreign elements. You don't want to stereotype them. And that is fine. But does this mean that the commission of police themselves also knows that these communities and the people who have perpetrated these crimes and killed indigents of Plateau State and just north are known and they are still in Plateau State and they are still in just north. But the commission of police cannot take action. Is that what you're saying? No, that is not what I am saying. That is not what I'm saying. I say they are being profiled. They are being prosecuted. It's not enough for the commission of police has to do his own. He is a gentleman, a fine gentleman that assisted this community, that assisted this state, that is up and doing. And it is until investigation is done, until they are prosecuted in law, they are presumed to be suspect until it is proved beyond reasonable doubt. So it takes beyond the commission of police. It takes, it is a holistic approach that has to be done. It's not to begin to cast as fashions on the commission of police at this moment. I would not do that. Well, he is currently heading the police in Plateau State. And if both of you agree that these elements are known, arrests have been made. I asked you earlier, and that's what the reason that I asked you earlier, if anybody has truly been prosecuted over time, from Joshua DiRietto, Jonah Zhang, to currently Simon Lalong, if there's anybody who has been truly prosecuted for these killings, and you weren't 100% affirmative that anybody, you even said that some people are arrested, they are found culpable, but their files disappear to Abu Jann. That's the end of the case. And so that's why I'm asking you now. So, yes, the commission of police is a fine gentleman, but he is aware from both of you, what both of you have said, that there's people who have committed these atrocities that are still in Plateau State, that are still in those communities, that have taken over the lands that they have chased people from. But he still has not taken any action. You know, you've said that they are still investigating, but from what we've seen in the past. Action has to be taken, has to be holistic. It's not only where his rights begin and end, that is where the rights of another person begins and end. He cannot go, the best he can do is to profile them, take them to court, and the courts to prosecute. And until somebody, we know the judicial system in this country, there is a case that has stayed in the Supreme Court for 22 years. We know the judicial system in this country. So what I'm saying is that it is holistic. But at any attempt, everybody has, the executive, the legislature, the judiciary, everybody has his own, has where his limits begin and terminate. So you cross boundaries and begin to say, you do the job of the other people. Absolutely. I want us to wrap up with Dave Zuyong. If you can, in 30 seconds, quickly also respond to my last questions before we go. What I will say here is that this program predates this presidential fundings. Like my brother said, Dan, when you speak of governments, you speak of governance as an entity. We make separation. We talk about three arms of government. There are supposed to be three arms working as a unit. And I'm aware that the only thing that has stopped this implementation of the white paper she spoke about is the political will. And who has the will, is the government. So I don't know if there's a difference in these governments. It's something that are documents that are literature have gone through that are very, if you read the content of white papers, they are supposed to have nipped this crisis. From the beginning, but it's the political will and who has the will. It is same government. Except we have a clerk or decision between the state and federal government and blame the federal government or the state government for doing the right thing. They will keep maruling. But like I said, these people are known. They are profiled. They know them. There are crises. You do not occupy my house. And I'm saying I'm profiling you.  And I report and I say they're profiling you. Why are you still living the house? It doesn't make sense to me. All right. Dave's a young. And of course, Dan Manjang, thank you both for sharing this morning with me and for, of course, being a part of the breakfast. Truly appreciate it. And that's where we wrap up the breakfast this morning. If you missed out on any of these conversations, remember to join us on at social media handles at plus TV Africa on Instagram and Facebook. Same with our YouTube channel at plus TV Africa lifestyle. I am a saugier of bomber.


Hey guys, so for this video I'm excited to share with you some of my favorite self-care habits. As someone who values the importance of taking care of myself, I've developed a routine that works really well for me. I hope that by sharing my tips and tricks, you'll find inspiration and ideas to incorporate into your own self-care routine. Hope you guys enjoy. The first self-care habit that I implement every single day is not going on my phone for at least the first hour after waking up. The first hour of your day just really sets the tone for the rest of it. And if you start your day by scrolling through social media or checking emails, you're essentially giving control of your day away to the internet. So instead of grabbing my phone, first thing in the morning, I've been trying to establish other habits that are more beneficial for my mental and physical health and by taking the first hour of my day to focus on myself and set intentions for the day ahead, I'm able to start my day off on a really positive note and feel more in control of my time and energy. So first thing I do when I wake up is I turn off my alarm and I just get out of bed right away and that really just helps with my mental clarity and it makes me feel so much better throughout the day. The second self-care habit that I like doing every single day is once I wake up in the morning, I like to take advantage of having an empty stomach because if you think about it, it's like basically the only time of day that you would really have an empty stomach is in the morning. And so I like to take full advantage of that and kind of get some liquids in. I like to get some vitamins in. I alternate between vitamins all the time. I'll go through a phase where I have athletic greens. I've been taking care of, I've been taking seed. Like I honestly just like rotate what I take but I always make sure that in the morning, no matter what it is, even if it's just like my lemon water, getting some nutrition in me first thing in the morning, sometimes I'll even do like fresh pressed juice or I'll do like a green smoothie. It just honestly like depends what I have at home when I'm in a mood for what kind of era I'm in. But yeah, right now I just made myself some athletic greens and I have some lemon water here and it has a pinch of salt in it. Apparently putting salt in your water in the morning is like really beneficial for hydration. So I just put a little pinch of salt in here and it's so good. I know a lot of people like to wake up and have their coffee like first thing. But personally, that's like just so disruptive to my stomach.  And so before I have food or coffee, I make sure to get my vitamins in, my water in hydration. And it just makes me honestly feel like I'm taking care of my body and it makes me feel so good. And it's been one of the biggest differences for me with my mood in the morning because I used to just go straight to like, wake up, drink a coffee, no water and eat. And I would just feel so sluggish afterwards after doing that. But now like after incorporating intermittent fasting and having just kind of like my liquids in the morning, it makes my body just feel so much more like clear, energized and good. And it's like such a simple, easy way that I can take care of myself that I noticed so many benefits from. When in doubt though, if I don't have like any vitamins at home and anything to make a juice with, I'll just have my lemon water. And that'll do it for me if I don't have anything else. But yeah, this is just kind of something that I've been doing for a really long time now in the mornings. And it just makes me feel so good. And also like throughout the day makes me feel really good knowing that I got all those like vitamins and fasting in the morning. I got some hydration in. Cheers. The next self-care habit that I do, I've been doing recently every single day is getting myself ready, presentable for the day. And yes, I consider this a self-care habit because it does so much for my mental health and my productivity levels. And it's made the world of a difference like seriously. It's overall just made my days and me feel so much better.  It's like, if it's a rainy day on the weekend, yes, I'm gonna do that. But in terms of like Monday to Friday on like a weekly schedule, I have been making myself get ready for the day, get presentable. And that doesn't even necessarily mean putting on makeup every day. It just means getting out of my pajamas, like brushing on my hair, making myself look cute, feel cute. And when I do that and I feel put together, it directly correlates my productivity because I'm gonna wanna get more done. I don't feel as lazy, so I'm not just gonna go take naps all day. And it's just become a crucial part of my self-care habit that has made the biggest difference. And some days for me getting completely ready, it looks like me putting on full face of makeup and wearing a dress, a skirt, something really kind of cute. And other days, it looks like me brushing out my hair, putting it in a nice sleep back bun and just kind of wearing a sweatsuit. But it still makes me feel super put together. But it's just the act of doing something to make yourself feel ready for the day and feel like you can accomplish things, get your to-do list done and be productive. Because if I don't get out of my pajamas and I don't like brush out my hair or wash my face, I'm just gonna wanna sleep all day and watch TV. So if you guys have been feeling sluggish recently, I would definitely recommend making it a priority to get yourself ready every day. I mean, I guess this is kind of more crucial for people who like work from home or who are home more often because if you have to go out to school every day or to work every day, it's like you kinda have to get yourself ready to leave the house. But I guess I'm more talking to people who have the option of getting ready every day if you're just kind of staying at home. Yeah, so now ever since I moved, I'm getting myself ready every single day and it's honestly just like made me so happy. It makes me feel like I'm taking care of myself and putting in that extra effort. And it's like I'm doing this truly for me.  I really just like doing a super light makeup routine so that it makes it really attainable for me to do it every day and it takes me like under 15 minutes to do this every day. But it's definitely important if you're gonna get ready every day to make it kind of a habit and make it easy for yourself. So even if you have to force yourself to do it for the first week or the first two weeks, that's how you build habit. You have to kind of force yourself into it at first and then it's just gonna become something that you do naturally. And yeah, finding products you like, making it super easy for yourself, laying out your outfit the night before, even if it's like a matching sweatsuit, makes it just so much easier and so much more attainable and kind of like more exciting too. The next self-care habit that I like to incorporate every single day is getting some sort of movement in. Our bodies are literally meant to move and this is something that I like to do at least six out of seven days of the week. Sometimes I like to get myself like that one rest day because it's okay to be lazy all day and do nothing like those days are needed. But out of the other six days of the week, I definitely do like to get my body outside or do at least some sort of movement. The thing is is that like I used to drag working out because I used to like correlate working out to, oh, I have to go to the gym and that's like the only thing that I can do to get movement in. But that's not true. I feel like that's why a lot of people are scared and don't feel motivated to work out is because you're kind of correlating working out with just like one thing. But there's so many different things that you can do to move your body.  Like there's an unlimited amount of things that you can literally do jumping jacks and that's moving your body, that's exercise. I feel like finding what you love doing and what works best for you is you're gonna motivate you the most to work out and get your body moving. So it's important not to really ever force yourself to do something that you don't like doing necessarily. I guess it really all depends too of what your health goals are and what you wanna achieve. But at the end of the day, like if you wanna feel motivated to work out, you have to start somewhere. It's just really important to choose something that like makes you excited to work out and feel motivated to do it and that doesn't have to look like the same thing every single day. Like you can even wake up and be like, oh, I feel like dancing today and then do that as your form of exercise. It can look different every day. You don't have to necessarily create a specific schedule and I feel like that will help really motivate you to move your body in different ways. But yeah, as long as you move your body, that's what matters. It doesn't matter necessarily how you do it. And yeah, I really like going on like long walks especially outside because I get to get some fresh air and then I'm also walking. So I love doing that. I kinda wanna start running maybe. I feel like that would be cool to try and see if I like it. I just love getting outside especially to work out if the weather is good. But also workout classes are really fun and they're super motivating because you have a bunch of people surrounding you. So yeah, you just have to start somewhere if you wanna start incorporating movement every day. And it definitely makes it a lot easier to do something that you feel excited to do. But yeah, anyways, I'm just gonna go outside, probably listen to a podcast while I'm walking or something motivational. Maybe just, I don't know, sometimes I like listening to music too just to kind of depends like the mood I'm in. But yeah, especially on like a nice sunny day, I just feel like it's so beneficial to get outside and do your movement. But yeah, let's go on a little hot girl walk together and get our movement in. And I just bring them every time I go to the grocery store because then I don't need to use those like little plastic bags. Instead, I use these and they're such a good find and they're so cute and they're just like the perfect size. But anyways, let me lay this all out and give you guys a little haul. I just got some strawberries. These honestly don't look the freshest. They look like they're gonna go bad in a couple of days. So I'm gonna try to eat as many as I can. But they were like the only batch that they had today and I really wanted strawberries. So I just bought them. But yeah, I'm gonna have to eat these fast, but they look so juicy. So got strawberries and then I also got a bunch of just like fruits. These are like peelable, peelable tangerine. Got some oranges and then I got some lemons because I like to have lemon water every morning. And then I got this cucumber. The cucumbers here are so good and so fresh and this one is huge. So let's cut some fruit and cucumber up and let's make ourselves a little snack. So here's what I just made. I just sliced up some cucumber, put salt and pepper and then just did a little fruit salad with oranges and strawberries. So a rule of thumb that I like to follow as one of my healthy habits is to have at least one fruit and one vegetable a day just so that I know that I'm getting that nutrition in and no matter what, I will make sure to have a fruit and a vegetable. What I like doing is like in between meals, I like having it as a snack instead of reaching for like crackers or something just because it makes me feel a lot better. And it's also a really easy way to get it in when you get hungry throughout the day like in between breakfast, lunch or dinner. And also what really helps is keeping your fridge stocked with fruits and vegetables. So it's really easy to just access another thing that can really help is if you pre-cut them for the week, like if you just get kind of a load of produce and then you divide it into like five containers, let's say kind of like section it off. So you have one container a day. If you're super busy, I feel like that's a really easy way to incorporate them is to pre-chop, pre-wash and just make it really easy for you to reach in the fridge which is like essentially meal prep. But also obviously incorporating it into either like a green juice smoothie is an easy way to do it and get them in. But I don't know, sometimes I just don't like smoothies. Like I go through smoothie phases where I'm like really into it and then I'll go through like a period of time where I just hate smoothies. So it really just depends like what kind of era I'm in in my life and what phase I'm in.   But yeah, so honestly recently I've just been really into cutting up my fruit in a little bowl like this. If I had chocolate chips, I'd probably add them in here and make it a cute little fruit salad. And then I just kind of a cucumber with some salt and pepper and it makes it so good. But that's my little platter of the day. Doing this just makes my body feel really good because then I at least know I got my fruits and vegetables in for the day, at least like one serving. So I just currently came outside because the next self-care habit that I like to implement every single day is journaling. Journaling has become a big thing now but it honestly is so good and it helps so much with my mental clarity, getting things out on paper and just like writing, expressing your thoughts and being creative. It helps so much.  And when you journal, you can kind of see trends that's been going on in your life, like in the past with decision-making, with your mood and just how things like evolve for you in general. Like when I look back at my old journals and read them, I'm like, damn, I forgot that I was ever like that or I ever thought like that and you don't really remember unless you actually have something to look back on. It's kind of like a little time capsule of what you're actually thinking in the moment. Vlogging, I can look back on more like my memories but journaling, you can look back on what was actually going on inside your brain, which is really cool. And if you're a creative person, it's also just a way to express that. Like if you don't know how to express your creativity, take a pen and paper and just write whatever comes to your head. You can also look on Pinterest for journal prompts. There's like so many on there. So if you guys are ever struggling on what to journal about, I would definitely recommend just typing it on Pinterest, journal prompts and so many things will come up. If I sit down and I just don't know what to write that day, I will look up on Pinterest and just like kind of use the prompts. It doesn't have to look a certain way. It doesn't have to be in a certain way. You don't have to say certain things, just like write whatever comes out. It doesn't need to look pretty.  After a journal session, my mind always just feels so much more clear. I feel so much less stressed, so much less anxiety because I just kind of expressed it and got it all off on paper. And it just, I don't know, it's just like a really good tool for every day to keep my mind clear. Yeah, it just really, really helped me mentally.  I mean, there's obviously days where I skip it, but at least like five out of seven days of the week, I will sit down and journal. But anyways, so yeah, that's what I'm gonna do right now is just kind of sit down and journal. I like to do this. Honestly, whatever I feel like it throughout the day, sometimes I don't always wanna do it like right in the morning because I used to always do it in the morning, but sometimes I'd rather like wait to do it midday or at the end of the day, I just kind of pick it up whenever I really feel like doing it. Today, I just kind of wrote about being present because it's something that I've kind of struggled with recently and something that I wanna really, really work on because I have been catching myself thinking too far into the future and planning the future, what I wanna do in the future, not necessarily worrying about it, but just like my mind being more in the future. When you're in the process of manifesting something, it's really tricky because you wanna find that balance between being present while also having that manifestation and working towards that. So it's kind of like a fight in my brain that goes on all the time where it's like I need to learn to enjoy the present moment more and not live in the future because the thing is is that the future and the past, they don't exist, like they're not real. The only thing that is actually real is right now and is this present moment and that's all that we have. Past and the future are just thoughts. They literally cease to exist unless you're thinking about them, which is crazy. So since the past and the future, they're just thoughts, like they don't actually exist in this moment. They're just in our thoughts, like we just can think about them in our heads. There's no point of ever stressing about them or worrying about them or thinking negatively about them because we're making those thoughts up in our heads. If you think back to something you did and you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I did that. You're just like, you keep thinking so negatively about it. It's like you're making that up in your mind. Why don't you change it and you say, oh, like everything that happened in my past it led to exactly where I am now and so that's something positive. And so it's just like altering your mindset when you think about the past or the future and thinking of it in a more positive way rather than a negative way because it's all in your head and the only real moment you have is right now. Sometimes I just catch myself thinking about the future too much and it takes me out of the present moment that I'm in. But the only thing that actually exists is the present. I don't even know how to explain this. Like this is kind of trippy and like I've been thinking about this all week. It's really hard for me to put into words but basically what I'm saying is that you control your thoughts and the past and the future are just thoughts. And so if you wanna have a good future you just have to be thinking good things. Don't worry about what's going to happen in the future because that's the future. That's not your present moment right now. So if you're worrying about your future and you're thinking negative thoughts about it then you are manifesting that and that is going to happen because that's the future that you're creating for yourself. Everything we do in the present moment we're building a foundation for our future. And so if you keep worrying about your future and having negative thoughts about it your future is gonna reflect that. And same thing for the past. If you're worrying about your past and you can't get something you did out of your head you're just creating that stress and anxiety for yourself for no reason because it does not exist anymore. And altering that thought pattern in your head and making it positive rather than negative is one of the most life-changing things that I've ever done. It is honestly a little bit difficult to master because like I said I'm struggling to be in the present moment sometimes but I'm happy that I'm aware of it and that I'm working on fixing it but yeah, it's just kind of crazy. But anyways, hope that made a little bit of sense. That was my journaling session. Feel a lot better now. Like I'm telling you journaling just really really helps sets the tone. It's one of my favorite self-care habits. One of my self-care habits I've developed that has made a huge difference for me is meditation. As we all do sometimes I struggle with anxiety and stress and taking a few minutes each day to sit and just breathe has been a game changer. When I meditate I feel like I'm hitting the pause button on life. It's a chance to quiet my mind and just be present in the moment. Meditation just gives you that space in the day to just be, because if you think about it during the day our minds are constantly thinking and processing things and we don't ever really give it a break. Of course there are times when life gets in the way and I skip a day or two, but that's okay. Meditation isn't about really being perfect it's about taking time to care for yourself. Just sitting and being in the present moment without any thoughts, stressors or worries is such a beautiful thing that you probably wouldn't be able to experience if you don't make a point of just sitting in silence and also meditation can look different for everyone. For me sometimes it looks like me putting my headphones on and doing a guided meditation and other times I'm just watching the sunset with a clear mind. Meditation is really a small but super powerful habit that can have a big impact on your life in a really positive way and it's one of the things I do that really just nurtures my mind, body and soul.