So call the meeting to order first is to approve the agenda anything needs to be amended. No, not that I know it's that we move if possible. Now, like to do the discussion about thermal while Nicole is here if she's if that works or well, I guess I mean, yeah, that's why we're doing the bond informational tonight. I don't that's up to Chris, but we try to fit in around six thirty. I'm just trying this. Yeah, I can't see. Yeah, I may have any issue. So we'll just leave the item where it's at, but we'll just noted that for someone to remind me if I forget. Oh yeah, I just want to close on. We can talk about that in the end because she's so sorry. Together. Hey, second, second, and I'll favor it. And first on the agenda is to place the canes here that presentation for others for all. It's a number one. No, pretty quickly and then time to ask questions. So it's supposed to say select one. It said it earlier. So I don't know. Anyway, before we get started, everybody here that's online. Or all. Yeah, I think everybody's everybody can hear it. Yes. Sometimes it's bad. Yeah, they say not registered. Yeah, okay. You can. Since we're behind you, though, if you can be a little louder for us. Yep. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I want to go through the presentation outline. This is going to be really quick. Like I said, we'll talk to you a bit about purpose, the goals, how to use the plan. Now give a really high level overview of each of the chapters. It's a big report. And then we'll talk about next steps. And then we'll take questions. And then we'll go through the presentation outline. And then we'll go through the presentation outline. And then we'll talk a bit about the project, but it's it's intended to be a community driven planning process that makes that will more vibrant, accessible and connected and welcome for every. From the outside, I've been looking to create safer and more walkable streets in a connected village, accessible buildings, liveable and attractive village parks, public spaces, driving economy and healthy clean river and better storm water management. And then we've also done a lot of work on that. And we've done a lot of work on that and we've been able to develop a series of goals. And this gets into this idea of the village for all accessibility for all liveability for all connections for all and clean water for all, which go back to that general purpose. And these have been the guiding principles that we've used as we've gone through the process. So the purpose of this plan ultimately is to be used as a guide. for plans and studies, budget for future projects, protect other ideas because there's a lot of smaller ideas that can be tested really easily in this project in this plan. Build volunteer participation which is really important as part of this plan and to kind of maintain momentum. Throughout the process we've asked a ton of questions whether it's you know asking people what shops and services they use or what would make walking and biking easier. We've asked a ton of questions and we studied a bunch of different things. This is you know looking at street design, looking at where Bethel needed ADA and accessibility improvements and we had several partners that worked with this project. There was direct access, we did an accessibility audit and a rural accessibility guide for Bethel. Arnett Muldrow and Tripp Muldrow came to town and talked with a bunch of business owners and did an economic analysis and AARP also joined up and was able to do a walk on it for us as part of the project which is excellent. And you know through that process we got hundreds of big ideas big and small that came out of the process and that was the what we learned report sort of pulled together not the ideas but all of the things that we pulled we learned through the beginning of the process and then we jumped into big ideas and that was where we had the focus areas which are related to the goals. So you know the big ideas around streets focus largely on making Bethel streets more accessible, big ideas around parks or aimed at connecting people with Bethel's recreational assets making them easier to find, easier to access and easier to enjoy. Village vitality ideas all focused on enhancing the local economy so they were a little less infrastructure focused and more business focused and also looking at sort of marketing and branding to the local community. Then we hit on this idea of community capacity which sort of came up through the discussions which is recognizing that well we have all these big ideas how could we possibly all get it done and the need to continue to look for ways to connect to the community and really harness people power and also just you know make sure that people are communicating well that information is being shared so everybody knows what's going on and then lastly we have the clean water piece of it which other big ideas focused on stormwater improvements are in and around the village. The implementation chapter has a lot of goals in it this table is a project summary sheet that's in one of the first few pages of it and it's broken out in it prioritizes things and hires to meet high and medium and low and it indicates a time frame and we try to do that in order to be you know sort of realistic about when things can get done but also there are a lot of quick actions and and the truth is is that we didn't even put I don't know half of the quick actions in a plan really I mean it was so many quick actions and these are really important I think because this plan you know the the project will ultimately end and you know you'll develop some new folks to help lead the project forward but maintaining momentum is always key to keeping people interested in keeping people actively participating and I think the quick actions are really good ways to do that because they're inexpensive and they can often be done with volunteers and people when people see things happening that's when they're going to be interested in getting engaged right so the implementation chapter looks at things like the downtown streetscape and this is that that's probably the biggest single thing that's in the plan because that does a lot of parts and we'll probably take quite a bit of time to pull it all together the implementation chapter doesn't focus on these are all the things that you're going to have to do between start and finish of a project instead it focuses on this is the thing next thing that you need to do and that's in part because sometimes you do a scoping study for example look like you could look at the downstream streetscape and discover that some of the things that are suggested really ultimately aren't as feasible as we expected you have to do that next layer of analysis and look at things in a more detailed way to really understand it we also look at neighborhood streets and that's the the goal is really to make the connections from the downtown to the the village as a whole and really expand on that and we look at pleasant street church street river street main street as sort of priority areas but there were other streets that were identified in the big ideas sections well we look at parks ban shell park for food and waterfall parks sort of rose to the top but again there are other park ideas that are in the plan and it's important to recognize that just because it's not an implementation chapter doesn't mean it couldn't be done or shouldn't be done in the future and then when we looked at the village vitality piece we focused on identity and branding some of which will get done as part of the boric project same thing with the wayfinding plan and then trying to find ways to help businesses improve their physical accessibility that's a challenge i'm trying to figure out how to do that also what came up was the idea of a pop-up use program some sort of program to help utilize under used spaces in the downtown and then facade improvement program ideas that that the community can sort of move forward largely using the revolving loan fund or community development block grant funds to help businesses to redo the facades and you know one of the things that trip said to me at one point when we were talking about this is that you know business owners come and go but the buildings are going to stay here in the village and so having them look good just carries it'll carry from business person to business person because it always looks good and it adds to the value of the downtown and then the final piece is well not final piece but the capacity is that was the next piece of it and we really struggled with how to wrangle that and ultimately what's in the plan is one thing which is let's get together and talk more about capacity and then finally stormwater there's a separate stormwater report and in it you'll find four priority areas for stormwater treatments and this these are the way this report is written it's written in a way that dc is going to be able to easily digest it and provide funding for this particular stuff 30 yeah it includes 30 designs and you and I should talk to I should get you large versions of the 30 design plans you know at some point it's awesome yeah right yes because when you flip when you flip that the 30th design did this big which is used so we'll talk about that and then the next steps are really going to be to look at project leadership you know who's going to lead the project or at least the individual projects going forward after some discussions with the steering committee last week I'm going to make some changes to the implementation section um to really sort of indicate where there needs to be sort of an agenda some of some of them are obvious some of them are jobs for you know certain committees or for the you the juries and the select board but there are some other instances where it's like we need someone to step up and maybe take this and move it forward um yeah having that conversation about capacity is going to be really key and then I think trying to review and prioritize the quick opportunities again so you can continue to maintain momentum and keep things happen um and then as you go forward you folks will need to sort of look at okay what projects are we actually doing and how do we need to line up the funding for those projects over the next you know how many every years it takes um and then there's some really big things that will need to be ultimately budgeted for and I think that's a you know longer conversation yeah I talked with Rita at the very simple what it was like when it was done I mean we got another and it looked nice and took her two so she wouldn't be able to work out for anything and stuff great so I'm going to go start again with the binder like all this is something that we all put together in one binder or something so that I can have it to look at plan I'm not the storm water the storm water can be it's all same but I'm not sure if I mean are we this is how we're giving it it's like this I can I can make arrangements to get you the copies in whatever format you'd like yeah I just I just think it would be nice to have a copy you know on the shelves that I absolutely know and um because yeah it doesn't have to be storm water I mean once the draft of the water is done I have some fun jewels on myself right but yes I would like the plants if they're just um if you send them to me I can print them like 11 by 17 if you haven't even big I'll plot them for your choice because you guys are close enough I'll I'll make I'll I'll deliver you so I'll get you the um the hard copies once it's in the final draft format order some up to my office will that be great we'll get you hard the big versions of those yeah I'll send them out on yeah you'll want them to handle it just a copy but it's good thank you so that's it like I said I wanted to keep it short um as I understand it we can't hear zoom so you folks will have to type any questions into the chat um and then I but I would defer to the select board do you folks have any questions or comments oh they're they lost their yeah they can hear but they can't we can't hear them oh okay the speaker all right I'll keep an eye on the chat so um I just think that uh of course in case it's obviously very helpful between the and that's going to be the stormwater management plan obviously something that um you know when the grant started at 10 mils and I were working on and so after 10 is passing I reached out to Chris and then Emily right and I was like uh I need help and so they were so helpful it they I went to do boys and king they sat down and with me they walked my new one project that Tim wanted done and so I'm like after that I was hesitant so they walked me through everything so it was just it was wonderful and extremely helpful so I was really appreciative of of that and they kind of gave me the pluses and minuses of what we could do so it was very helpful excuse me where we need to go to find this funding yeah exactly I read it was great about I said look I'm gonna send you this then we'll just keep our eyes open about you know funding and and obviously see what they prioritize so um but it was a good I mean I've been on the steering committee and it was great to um the uh wonderful gentleman from that did the accessibility was it Stephen he was great oh what he was so nice to work with and trip was great and uh so I feel like that they brought in some really good people obviously Rebecca we couldn't have done it without her and it was just really helpful I thought that and Nicole we couldn't have done without Nicole and um it was very helpful that you know to meet trip and to hear his ideas and things he done other towns and and same thing was Stephen and so it was really great because um I think that it was nice to get some opinions and ideas from people you know outside of here yeah it's still in draft form in the Senate the the window needs to go to bring the drafts by Saturday of next year or it's about 15th um and that's about I'll be because they at the well what you sent was in their packet and and stuff and so Jean's been informed we've talked about different pieces like little pieces parts at times but mine is empty his says too or something but I think we've already read though so committee was great to work away from Paul Valley great yeah it was it's really fun real eye opening I've learned a lot about all the parks I never knew about so being on this committee I learned a lot and and especially getting to um find out about parks that I never knew it's in the middle so it's a really good committee to be honest I guess I just wanted to say that um so everyone knows because this isn't really a thing yet but what we're calling waterfall park is the piece of land that the town owns right more of the bridge um next to the dam there and then RPC is a regional planning commission just so that we're not gardening all over the place for everyone um I'll just offer a couple quick things first can I share your answer out loud Joanne just asked me where the books would be or the big books that you're all looking through as a plan so it's posted right now on the Bethel for all website if you go to Bethelforall.org you can read and get all of these documents yep all the chapters and we also have supplemental reports up there so if people are comfortable browsing online and commenting online you can do it right there and if you want the paper copies I'm going to send a copy with you Therese to town office and get one to the library and probably leave one here if that's okay with folks and I just wanted to throw in a couple of big picture comments as well this has been a really big planning process both in terms of the amount of time that it takes and the amount of information we collected and gathered and synthesized and the number of topics we are looking at and it can feel overwhelming for sure but one exciting part of this to me is not just the plan not just the actions that we've identified to move forward quickly but the potential for all of this to be resources to the many community groups and organizations working on some aspects of making Bethel better and we already have some great examples of that playing out I learned from Lisa that the accessibility audit group really helpful to the library to actually because it identifies some quick things like that front stairway that's unsafe and Lisa said she just used it in a grant application as evidence for what they need and heard from somebody over last weekend at the Bethel University graduation that there's a business owner look or yes business owner who had a business in another town looking to move to Bethel and is interested in the market study helping to make the case that her business concept would be successful here we can make that pitch so one of our big challenges going forward I think is how we get all the resource documents and the evidence out to all the different businesses and organizations that can use it you often certainly help by remembering and pointing people in the direction of these resources but some activity that I think every group every board and commission anyone listening could do as well as think about how could we bring some of this into our own work whatever it is whether it's select board policies conservation commission trail building recreation committee a normal block of business owner and we gave you those quick action overviews one on accessibility one on economic development which was one step toward doing that just to try to send a message that even if your entity is not written into the plan in any way pretty much everybody in Bethel could do something to help move this forward thanks. And all the work that you put into it and one of the ancillary benefits has been the community that has been built through multiple meetings and walks up and down and all the work that you all did in gathering the information I think that that's a huge contribution to the town in terms of bringing people together to to talk together about how we be a town together it's been great so thank you for that. Thank you. Yeah thank you. Can they answer the support or any questions or anything they can see? I'll move next but see you over in the morning next time I gotta move next. Well thank you. Yeah thanks Chris and I mean the plans or whatever if you need me to come and pick them up just let me know. Yeah I'll work it out. That's not you know I won't be done with it until the end of the month. Yeah but do you know there was a meeting that maybe you were supposed to do here one time people from the state then I never heard from anybody again and Michael not Michael Matt doesn't mention it again so let's be more good. He's reimbursed me when I submit this from the bill so no voices so I guess if he wanted something he'd tell me. Oh that's right yeah because I think it was really some of us were sick. Yeah yeah exactly. Yeah so now I think it's fine. Okay great I wasn't sure I don't want to be missing something. Actually I think that might be Chris's screen because I don't have 10 chats. I've read them all. I haven't had any great chats on mine. I mean it's not just the old ones. Yeah because it's I don't have any. I've read them all. You know it's mostly people saying they can hear you. Yeah exactly I think you're right. Well thank you for the one. Oh thank you. Thanks for coming. So can people hear me? Yes. That's so great. I'm here. Thank you for coming. Thanks for coming. See you guys later. See ya. Yeah this is what I'm gonna be doing. Okay that's what I thought. Is this all chapters? I have chapters one two three chapters one two three and then the conceptual one I have. Yeah yeah I got it. Thanks Rebecca. See ya. All right so we'll roll right into Nicole's appointment here at 630. So thanks for coming Nicole. There were some questions last time about we talked about the time commitment which you explained to me in the email which I appreciate was that you were hoping that the time commitment would be to attend three to five meetings each 90 to 120 minutes long during the spring and summer and aiming to start in late May. So have you got anywhere with this yet? I know you were sending it to other people. Yeah we've been making progress. I'm not sure if everyone else can hear that echo if there's anything I can do about it. Yeah that's fine. So we are working with Laura from VCRD and she is helping rough out a timeline so it looks like yeah planning to start in late May have that first meeting where for a lot of us it's going to be our first time getting in the room together so we'll get all of our you know questions on the table look at the plan for the next three meetings and make sure that we're addressing everything that should be addressed and then the next you know three meetings will be functional and then Laura from VCRD will write up a report for us. So that's it's kind of kind of simple but that's how it's laid out now. And so the other people that I think you would send the letters so other people have signed up to to join from other communities. Yeah and I've been reaching out to the select boards in the towns in the White River Valley that haven't had a chance to sign on yet and a lot of these towns like Hancock, Granville, Pittsfield you know they're wicked small like less than a thousand. And the select boards are some of them just have three people no energy committees so we're just kind of doing the rounds. I'm actually overlapping with Harry from T-Work with the Merp stuff so it's working out really well for both of us that we're just able to be hitting everyone up at the same time. That's great. So Dave didn't you have some specific questions last time about maybe what their I know you had a time frame question were you also curious about what her their goals were you know because I think that what you were trying to do if I remember correctly is that you're going to kind of investigate to see what the needs are for people as far as energy coordinators or in the hours was that kind of what your hope was to do with this to figure out what the need was or is not was is. It is mostly about identifying that need we started with a question should we share resources to hire an inter municipal regional energy coordinator. And so as we open up that question it doesn't become yes or no it really becomes where's our need for that can we address that need in a different way with the resources we already have. And as we're you know talking as I'm connecting with select boards I'm also realizing that all the select boards are volunteers and all the energy committees are volunteers. So it's actually kind of a random thing whether or not these volunteers are interested in climate science or renewable energy and technology. And recently when Green Mountain Power came through with their zero outage circuit proposal yeah you know are any of us really qualified to vet that you know like really. Yeah no doubt I agree. I definitely have concerns about you know if they come in and they want to do a solar panel field is how is that going to impact our town and who do we ask for help as a resource that's neutral and well informed. So that's just an example of something that we might want to discuss. Right and that honestly would be the public service board because there's not a lot of context in which we can interfere with that sort of thing. But so Harriet to Rivers does is he to Rivers regional energy coordinator but he's got what 30 some odd towns. He is specifically for the municipal energy resilience program. So as it comes to like we need help with a window dresser's campaign he's hands off. And I definitely see a need for someone to mobilize volunteers for like the volunteers to have a point person. But I'm getting ahead of myself because this is all going to be in the conversation. Okay that's great. Well thank you. I think that's really helpful. So we weren't I don't know for sure if we have a select board volunteer but we were certainly just needed a little more information I think to understand. So let me ask this question. Need is not the first question is what you're going to how you're going to share resources from town to town. Is that the question you're going to ask first. We're going to be asking those questions at the same time. Like what is the need can we fill that need by sharing resources or just by better organizing within our own towns. I mean from what following climate change literature and other news articles and whatnot. I think we did you might want to really listen to Green Mountain Power or some of the other power companies because everything that I'm that I'm hearing and reading is going to end up being electric. However we generate it is a story to be to be discussed. But if someone like Green Mountain Power has doing something as they proposed to us two weeks ago I think I think the direction as far as listening and probing is how is that going to happen. How can we help get that to happen. I'm not sure what your question is do you mean like how can we connect more with Green Mountain Power or how will this conversation help us connect better. Well as I started with it we got to be I think we need to figure out the electric thing which means generation storage get rid of hazardous materials after those those three questions somebody other than us volunteers hopefully knows the answer and when they do how do we get it to work for everybody and how long is it going to take to get there. Yeah these questions come up and it's you know I'm not really qualified to answer them I'm just a volunteer and they're they're huge questions about what we're going to do with our local grid. So hopefully by being able to pull back and look at the other towns maybe these other towns are asking that exact same question maybe they're not maybe we're the only people talking about it in Bethel. So the purpose of this discussion is to figure out what those shared questions are and that one is one that I've heard a lot it comes up at the electric vehicle show each year folks will just kind of come through and be like well yeah but I'm thinking about the future and so that you know for me business student there's something I learned is that you can look at planning on three levels there's strategic tactical and operational operational is within one year tactical is about two to five and strategic is five to ten onward and when we start talking about the grid we're talking strategic and a lot of what we do here like on the select board or within our committees is operational so when I think of energy coordinator I think of putting someone right in the middle and looking at tactical how do we get from here to there if that makes sense. Well it kind of does but I took from the piano that they are already the tactical stage they're not they're past aging with the grid which organization was that? Green Mountain Power. Tiana did you meet with her? Yeah yeah and I don't I definitely um I don't mean to like throw doubt on Green Mountain Power I just use that as an example because they're such a big entity and us all here you know like we don't have the equivalent resources as Green Mountain Power so if they did want to pull a fast one it would be difficult to pull ourselves out of that and there's a few news articles happening in Vermont at the time about I think one of them is in Bennington about where the solar field is located and there's a big hurrah going on down there because the residents are not happy with the decision the select board's caught in the middle and it's we're just not sure how it's going to play out so just kind of thinking about what resources would we need to make sure that we are well informed and staying up to date on the knowledge and research that we need to make these bigger decisions as we go forward. So you're going to you're going to be looking for a regional coordinator that is well schooled in all this stuff and trustworthy. Good luck. And it's really interesting to see the different models you know like we've been using the term energy coordinator it could be a climate action coordinator. A climate action comes into our economy what we eat how we dress where we go to shop how far we travel to work these are all climate action things as well. So maybe we want to look at our rural towns and switch up that role tweak it a little so that actually matches what we need. Would it be fair to say Nicole that the very questions that Dave is asking are what you want to ask of this group that you're pulling together. They are they definitely are. Well and I think to expand it further it's also the topic that you're bringing up of the the network. Dave's looking at the electric but power and heat are kind of your two biggest power heat and water really are you know our utilities would have to be examined within this and so I don't know if that's a good segue for you to kind of bring that up because it's a similar set of questions within it. I agree except for everything you've talked about requires power everything you're talking about requires power. So I think you get the horse in front of the car and know how are we going to get good reliable or lack of a better word clean electricity and not upset the neighbors which you're talking about is happening in Bennington. This town went crazy you don't see any solar fields in Bethel very few most of them are on the roofs and there's I can tell you two that are very unhappy neighbors so anyone. I'd be interested at least knowing if I wasn't on that I would be like and not to be not that I'm going to be a negative Nellie but I can tell you right now I'm there I'm going to ask some hard questions. Yeah in this conversation is moderated by the staff at VCRD so it's not like us talking to each other it's well I mean it will be but we'll have a moderator that's someone who's a neutral party so all opinions are welcome and encouraged because they're going to come out at some point anyway. So I you know when you have a discussion with the average Vermonter you know I the average Vermonter will say that they want to take care of the planet as best that they can right and it seems like now that that things are starting to be put into work some of the questions that are starting to come out from Vermonters is you know like right now Vermont emits about eight and a half million tons of emissions a year and so what is the goal right I mean you could say the goal is zero right we always hear zero but you're never going to get to zero but what is the realistic goal that Vermont is trying to get to and we have to remember that on the grand stage of things Vermont makes up a very very small pinpoint of this whole map I mean we're eight and a half million tons of emissions a year in the United States that's five point three billion tons of emissions a year so we make up a quarter of one percent or less of the total emissions so we're a very small identity to be in with so I guess myself and others are starting to have questions of where's the trade-off between we want to take care of our planet but we also want to be able to lift and the cost of things you know we have to have that trade-off I mean we can we can all go green but if we're not here to pay for it after then that didn't help anything so and it doesn't seem like it seems like Vermont a lot of times is the carts way out in front of the horse and we need to rain that cart back in to say what is the true goal here and then when we hit that goal what are we as Vermonters going to perceive changes like what what is going to be the measurable changes that I'm going to see out there and I think it's very difficult because if you do the research right now there's about six states out of the 50 states in the United States that are actually actively working on climate change policies only six I mean a lot of them talk about stuff but there's only six states that are actually pushing things forward and Vermont's the smallest carbon emitter in the United States by by capita so so out of all the states 49 of them should be going before Vermont you know I mean we are already such a small footprint so where where is the goal I mean I guess what I would like to challenge the energy committee is what is the goal and when we get to that goal what are we going to see for changes and is it going to be worth or are we going to get to the goal at the other day we're going to have no money and say we really didn't do anything you know where are we at and I know everybody's got their own thing but we're talking about really starting to spend a lot of money here a lot we're talking there's legislation about you know directing you know what we can burn in our house for heat and oil and we're you know it just keeps coming on and on and on and and I mean even like they were saying solar fields and things like that are great but they only work when there's subsidies once the subsidies are gone then we have issues with it either the cost goes way up or like they're seeing in Europe those big solar firms they all went bankrupt so like how do how do we get to that goal so I think your issue is more basically you know obviously the energy committee is looking at the state-set goals so when you say that people have the carbon for the horse it's the it's the legislature well I'm just saying if we're talking about putting a representative from that's going to represent Bethel towards this regional climate initiative right that is is part of the ron piece right that's part of the world piece right but in order to get our citizens to buy into this they need to be able to see what is what what is this goal that we're going to get to what what is it that I'm going to get out of my money what is it I mean I know there's a lot of stuff that the world's going to come to an end but I mean come on um so what what is the goal like what are we going to get to what are we going to perceive like show me data like yeah like we're going to get to this and this is what it's going to change I think that's kind of Nicole's point and you'll see that you don't see any of that information I think that was kind of Nicole's point and impetus to do this with vcrd is because you know the state has set all of these rules that we need to be you know emissions by a certain time and we have to hit certain targets so I think that part of it is that Nicole is saying you know as volunteers this isn't something that the energy committee can target and so it's it's kind of interesting audio capture not registered that it's interesting I definitely agree um sorry I hope I didn't cut you off um I agree with what you're saying they're trees um we specifically we're looking at the state goals and as they translate to the town goals um but the overall goal is to stop burning fossil fuels and I will tell you why um before when I went to VTC I started in the agriculture program so I got a lot of science and really great teachers up there so the earth that we were all like had that humans evolved on to think like the Renaissance or whatever um maybe maybe further back before we started digging up oil um the earth that humans evolved into had a certain amount of not chemicals atoms in the atmosphere um and we can really boil it down to C H O carbon hydrogen oxygen as soon as we started pulling up oil we were bringing up new carbon in hydrogen not any new oxygen just carbon and hydrogen when you burn anything it's a combustion reaction it needs to happen in the presence of oxygen so we're pulling up C and H we're burning it we're binding it with our oxygen and we're not pulling up any new oxygen so what we need to do is to stop burning fossil fuels period you don't see it on the media because I will tell you my major was in media and communications and what's happening on the national and local news channels does not reflect reality it reflects entertainment and ratings so we need to dig deeper we need to educate ourselves and I do think we need a point person to really be well educated um and I do see a need because me personally I'm not registered by people's opinions about climate change and all I'm trying to do is help low income people have well heated homes you know like I grew up in a cold house with a single mom and our heating bill was always she'd make this sound when the heating bill would come in I wanted I don't want kids out there to have to hear their mom make that sound every time the heating bill comes in so like my personal goal for this town is to keep people warm and get more money in people's pockets um and you know how that's achieved is definitely a lot of different things but I believe that's the core of climate action um also for my is the force most forested state in the country if we take a look on google earth and look across the country there's an alarming lack of forest so we do need to pay attention to climate action in this state and consider our micro climate of the mountains and if we reduce burning fossil fuels within our micro climate it will have favorable effects so I think and we could probably go around around circles all day but I think you missed what I was saying not saying that we I'm not saying that we want to burn fossil fuels all the time I understand that but what I'm saying is when you have an issue whatever your shoe is in life in this case it's pollution right you you would think that you would want to tackle the biggest polluters first right and what I'm saying is Vermont is the smallest polluter so why should Vermonters in this case Bethel citizens before anybody else is doing this why should we be the ones leading the charge spending all this money that we can't afford to still be the lowest emitter because we're paying the legal bills because we're paying the bills to the oil companies and as long as we're paying for oil we're funding the people who are burning fossil fuels it's we're in we're completely connected you know if we have to do like trying to attack the big folks isn't working so we need one by one to divest from fossil fuels an example of that is some universities are divesting their investment funds from from funding fossil fuel companies and it's it's a pretty big problem and I would say like the average person just doesn't have time to really dive into it and learn all these intricacies without really just devoting like weeks of life to it and I don't know if anyone really has that really like dive in I've done it because I'm a little crazy well it looks like your request was for the select board to possibly appoint a member to be the liaison to a potential regional energy group I'm not sure if we have any takers yet so is the group really like to see either Chris or Dave join like you're saying really good stuff you're reflecting things I've heard at event tables you know like I definitely don't want just a group of people who are like yes let's do this you know like let's get some opposing viewpoints in there has the group been formally founded now because I think that the last meeting when we're talking that was kind of the thing is we point somebody to something that hasn't started yet so he's hoping to start in May I guess in May yeah vcrd is getting or helping or organized so and hopefully like I see the first meeting as like the last chance to get in because we do want people to be able to attend all four meetings so if you can make it to that first one then it's never too late swb audio capture not register to do it I really would I'm I'm devoted right now to the school crisis so I between this board and the school board and all the other stuff we got going on I don't have any more dedication time a prop approximate time frame how much time would I be devoting it would be five meetings yeah so we have four meetings locked off I think they'll be about two hours each one of them will probably be in person but I'm pretty sure the rest of the virtuals we're all spread out oh so we can't slap each other around they anticipated it yeah it's on the I yeah okay well I'm interested okay and you have Dave's email right and Nicole he's interested yeah I think we both have each other's email Dave do you want to be do you want me to include you on the updates from here on out yes please okay any other takers do that still it's gonna be fun well thank you so much for coming and explaining the rest that's that was helpful so thank you and I will be attending yes official agenda person or I think it's great to have a couple of them and then and then Jean wanted to kind of just link to the back end of this discussion the geothermal pieces that sure Jean is in before Jean does with this audio issue that we're having Lenny muted with that yeah would you mind muting yourself Lenny or does he have something to add does he have a comment you can't hear you Lenny thank you okay I guess the as I said in the email there there is legislation that will probably be taken up next year not this year but it's been introduced that would make networked thermal energy a viable alternative for addressing the heating sector a third of our greenhouse gases in Vermont are going into heat and uh as you know the go down below the frost line and the temperature of the earth remains constant and and using the the laws of thermodynamics you can harvest that heat uh in the winter and the colder it gets the more effective it is at providing heat for a dwelling and then the summer you can reverse the flow and you can take the heat from up here and bury it down into the ground what comes back is cooler and the hotter it is outside the more efficient a thermal network is in addition by networking not an individual drilling their own geothermal but by networking multiple buildings you can for those buildings that are large producers of heat excess heat you can capture that heat put it back into the system which makes the system even more uh efficient in terms of heating all of the the people on the network the uh uh what's unique about uh Vermont's piece of legislation they're doing this in in new york already by tapping into the uh gas networks that they have all over the state we don't have Vermont gas all over the state but so what's unique about Vermont's uh proposal is that it would enable the public utility commission to recognize literally any organization that wanted to pool its resources to become a utility to provide that heat the minute you become a utility as we know with the water or sewer uh the funding becomes a completely different it's it's available at a very different level because you have as a utility you have a guaranteed uh payback you borrow x number of dollars to invest in infrastructure you collect that out of user fees over basically just like running a water it's like running a water oh special funding that at this point the state's giving to start that you're wearing well i don't know yeah i don't know see because one see right now we can't do that because we're not a heating utility right so the the legislation allows the PUC to create or recognize the Bethel as a utility once this is undergone that heat is is zero uh carbon it requires pumps uh and requires modest amount of electricity it already it works fits into whatever heating system you already have in a building because we're basically talking about a heat exchanger replacing your furnace and uh the the the cost to the members of the utility are basically simply for the infrastructure which lasts as long as your water pipes last so it's they're sort of plus the cost for them to have their existing furnace removed and replace with heat pump you don't even have to remove it you're replacing it with uh it's a it's a heat pump it's a thermal heat pump so they it is placed they must have something in there well yeah that was that yeah they they have that they're replacing the heat transfer system in their furnace with the heat transfer exchange system that is in an indoor heat pump so it's going to last much longer than the electric instance that's in the cold part of the country and up in the northern north New York oh yeah because um the more about a scientist but I did take physics and anytime you take heat or cool from a medium of some sort water if you're talking you change the dynamic so now that 50 degree water that you have taken cool from is no longer 50 degrees it is now 55 60 65 degrees so if it's going on to the next person down this infrastructure pipeline and I got 50 degree water she got 55 degree water Chris got 60 degree water so the efficiency goes downhill and if you take cooling it if you take heat out of it the it goes the other way so I got 50 degree water she got 45 degree water she got 40 degree water so universities have been doing this all over the place with multiple wells but not one well for every building uh but it's enough to and it's a closed loop system so it's uh it the whole system balances out so how many gallons of water are you talking about I mean this is interesting to me because yeah I was I don't I don't even like methyl I'm talking to you millions you millions again you can use a chemical but you don't have to use a chemical that's part of the uh it's a there's what am I wrong I like free shit yeah so the heat or free cooling I'm on I'm on it so the for example and is what caught my attention was when I learned that the school was putting in wood pellets the the school is situated next to a trailer park which is situated next to a town building the fire which is all of those are situated next to it in a commercial property the school and the commercial property would both be energy per heat producers we also have uh public spaces where wells could be drilled and pipes could be laid without disrupting any roads we have a and once you start with a mini network it's expandable so you could in stages over a period of time you could bring in the entire town now that would have to be in the and I'm not trying to be again the negative nail I hate no I don't like that word but I'm thinking about pumping and friction loss and all that if you start out with three three entities and a big well and you can serve with some six inch pipe okay now we have got the mask on the bank and the town office we want to add to it six inch 60 pipe of water is not going to get any water to the town office from the school you're going to need it how do you get water there now how do you get water there you're not you're you're transferring I'm not going to get into the technical I can tell you that it's being done okay the technology is there it is existing today it is being done in New York gangbusters it is the legislation is coming nobody in Montpelier as opposed to it that we've found and so much so ultimately my question is isn't whether geothermal is a good idea my question is would the select word be open to having a meeting with some people who know what they're talking about a whole lot more than I do and have put this legislation legislative piece together along with some folks from the schools and and other interested parties to learn about this as a possibility uh that yeah I mean is it something we should wait for until we can actually see the pending legislation Nicole's saying on the same line of thinking some cities have been recapturing heat from honest way heat from water utilities wastewater for heating homes as well so I'm just so your idea is that we should be aware of legislation and maybe we should be open to have a meeting with somebody as the legislation and and whether we want well I'm asking really if we want to actually look into it now to see what if anything we want to do to be more shovel ready because this is the kind of thing that will be fundable by IRA funds IRA the inflation reduction act okay thank you federal too many so so uh this is the kind of thing that will be fundable by those kinds of things that continue to that are coming down the pipe and it will I've had some congress initial conversations with two rivers it is likely that it might also it may also qualify as funding available from the the merc the merc funds so the the question is whether we want to uh meet to learn more about this option not necessarily make any commitments down the road but to learn about it and to see what if anything it has to offer before we commit to any other alternatives for converting the heat here in town I I don't see there's any harm in getting more information or have somebody come and present something to us or learn more about it I know from the little bit of time that I've had this weekend of learning about more geothermal and the process and it does seem like it's more location specific so not all locations work so from what I gathered for information that you know there's certain certain things that they look for to be able to to use a system you know steam pockets water pockets things like that they have to be in the right situation so you know maybe if we got more information and maybe if then I don't know the state sponsored a grant so that we could do a feasibility study to see if you could actually do something you know we've already got that you know the merc is already there then that would would be something I mean it just seems like there's it's a I don't know there's there's pros and cons everything but it it seems like the biggest thing that came to my mind was reading through it is it's it's really location specific so it has to there has to be certain resources available for it to work like steam pockets water pockets things like that it's really no but so is that something that Harry since he's the one from Two Rivers doing the merc funding that if I reach out to Harry he could be on the site or talk about that I would yeah I would reach out to the people that actually put the bill together and have the expertise from the other states I would invite Harry to be part of that matter of fact I'm putting together trying to put together a meeting with T Rourke to talk about the same thing okay well if you let me know who those people are that I could reach out to when we could invite them to a future select board meeting um let me know just send me an email who it is that you think I need to reach out to and see if we can't get them to come to a future or speak given where Nicole is going with this and giving that group a little bit of time to meet to maybe not to not to push it off so far that it's not as useful but to to see where that group kind of gets to and then pair a meeting where that group's also coming and then it's kind of a bigger discussion where maybe we can have some of the the bigger questions answered I don't know might make it more complex and it's needed to be but you know getting information is always good to me you should we wouldn't be doing I don't know my opinion is we wouldn't be doing our jobs correctly if we weren't looking at everything right I mean even though we might get it and save up listening to work but at least we tried right so so just let me know who you want me to get in touch with and or maybe you want to do it after you talked to Rivers and have that meeting with them and let me see what yeah we'll talk to that meeting and yeah just keep me in the loop and maybe it's something we could schedule for like June or something yeah okay thank you thank you Nicole the only thing I'm going to do just be if the board's okay with it just because we got behind just a slightly a little bit it's before our our last appointment is just maybe just take public comments anybody that had something they were here just to do public comment didn't want to be waiting around any longer that that we would do that so if there's anybody that has any public comment but it's not on the agenda now's the time if you're online can we hear them or they'd have to take it still I think we're good right yeah okay so if you're online you have public comment just reach your hand if there's anybody public comment in here Doug nothing was Joe looking for something specific oh Joe Russo was here for that just listening Bethel for all oh perfect all right thank you um Paul says he's good okay so here in um and uh Owen is here for babes liquor license and I want to get coffee Owen yeah so okay okay so here none we'll get through public comment then so we don't have that and then we have our 645 appointment Brian right I'm sorry to um to talk about um some Gilead Road slash right roads and just before we get started because we do have a new board member just we'll kind of like on a large scale catch you up on um so there's I don't know if you're too familiar where right road and to tail into Gilead Road um is but we have we have two pieces of road up there that is currently classified as um well they're class three roads and a portion of those class three roads are not up to standard so the the state allows you to classify certain well in this case some class three roads not up to standard um if you're not meeting the standard but then you don't get any money so um becomes like an operationally class four yeah without so we declass we have a we have a few other roads in the town other than these two that you know they're just kind of you know either through um you know years of not paying attention or whatever that you know you go to a meal say well this isn't up to standard or you know we're not doing the you know doing enough grading or doing things to it or someone that we look at and say why is this class three when there's you know maybe it should have been a four or just maybe was labeled incorrectly or so we're kind of a little bit behind on that and most towns are so we had some discussions from uh brian um some of its road related some of its related to his development of he's got some land on on both roads um so there's um I don't know roughly two tenths of a mile from from the farm to the end of right road that is right class four well it's class three well the first part of its class three and then the rest is class four to rochester border where we've driven up past no that's saying we have about two tenths of a mile from the farm to all the gate that's roughly about so we so on the right road we have about two tenths of a mile that so right now we maintain all the way up to the farm and then we turn around at the farm um on plowing and and grading all those little activities so there's like I don't know if you've been up there but at the farm there's a gate or not a gate but there's it's an opening but there's there's fence on both sides and once you go past the fence we don't usually do any type of maintenance on that piece of the road where there's still like two tenths of a mile of that road that is what they call class three so there's been some discussions um last year about potentially reclassifying that road to either a class four road um or to to downgrade it to a trail so um and then at the same time we have similar on the um the upper part of the Gilead road so if you go up Gilead road at the very top where the house is at that's Andrew's house he's like the last house on Gilead it it sometimes you don't even know there is something else you would think you're it's a berry path but um there there's still um 0.46 miles of road that is labeled class three road that we've also so we were talking about going up there as a board to look at both both roads to talk about what our options are to you know the options really are it's class three then we want to keep it class three then we have upgrades to use to the road or we could downgrade it to a class four and do maybe a couple of things like you know making sure that there's areas where water is not pocketing or pooling on the road or you can downgrade it to a trail system which then basically would leave it up to the private owners to to work together to do maintenance on those roads and they would have a right of way to their property because right now the one past Andrew's house goes to um Mr. Sedgwick right Sedgwick goes to Mr. Sedgwick's house in Rochester and Rochester had thrown up their access so Mr. Sedgwick's only access is via that road these are these are the roads that the 18 wheelers put in their uh their Garmin system and it says this is the quickest route and then they get to the end of the road and go we can't get different back down the road yeah so and we have yeah so we have a bunch of these things well at least that one's paved yeah we have a go path but we do have some others so Brian Brian's one of the adjacent owners on two of these roads and um and then there's some other owners there's Andrew's family kind of they're on each side of the road on the on the right road section yeah and then and then when we're on the Gilead road you guys are on the right hand side both sides are you on the Gilead too because yeah because Brian had an easement right you just have an easement that comes out and then there's another on yes yeah so there's so on the Gilead piece there's three uh owners are right away and owners and then on the the right road there's two so so Brian had some um so we had talked to Brian back in uh formerly october i think it was last time november so at that point we were um we were getting to the process where we were going to set a time to go up and because we have to go up there and um physically go look at the road as a yeah if we were going to throw it up that's part of if we were going to change any of the classification that we have to go up here have a meeting on so we'd have like an informational meeting on site so anybody could come and voice their opinions on it um and then do do um some uh some legality pieces of it on a couple of the questions that Brian had we were waiting for some of our legal um answers to come back and then by that time snow had flyed and it don't go up there in the winter um and now we're mud season so now now we're kind of waiting for it to dry out and then we can make another time to go up there and as a committee so but Brian's back tonight he had a couple of concerns that he had sent in ahead of time to terese and i don't know did those get to all the board members yeah okay um so floor is yours just want to make sure we got finished up to sort of okay first the uh um gillian role i was wondering what the status is on that because after we had the meeting here the minutes after um within two weeks the road it was supposed to be up there and do some is ditching and um corporate work ditching and a new water bar was needed and that was 17 months ago and i'm just wondering when's that going to happen water's still running down the road we still got the same issue yeah did a so a jay and morgan they just did some tree trimming was that all they did i thought that they did some ditching i've done anything all right so that's why we have three people now so last summer we had two so we have three people um so i can talk more about that because we said yes we need to get the water off the road we know that we need the town needs to do some ditching and basically it was from i think just after andrew's to where your access is and i well yeah um i want the water stopped coming down with my accesses but the water starts with probably 600 feet up at the height of the land with no ditches or water bars on yours but the road the water that comes off your access we're not going to address but we should will address what's in the road because if you have an access i'm assuming that your access is crowned and that your water's coming off from both sides it's access to their field but you just have an easement correct oh i'm sorry okay i misunderstood that um so the water went down the road from 600 feet up the height of the land and there's no place for it to go but right down the road there's no ditches no water bars so it's water that's running off from the field down the access okay you know when the water was running down yeah yeah water why are we down all right so we need to work out with aj or scooby morgan and aj Todd so put that on there i'm not sure how you're gonna stop the water from running down the road unless you're putting water bars well you don't understand that water bars are not an option well we can work that out the water is coming down off the field um then it's coming down the road it's not coming up it's coming from the you go up the road and it's kind of slow on the left hand side it goes up the field is downhill so it's coming yeah probably from you know yeah some of the left hand side that's fine i'm sure that we can go out i mean obviously we're not going to make it a class three road but we we can deal with some of the issues we do know and understand and acknowledge it's our responsibility to get the water off the road that's clear and doesn't have to be perfect but we can do a couple things so we can talk to morgan and um we both we all know that uh kinsley hopp is going to be doing some logging up there he's that's bringing mr sedgwick and we've made agreement with him and so that's all good and um he's got his permit and what not so how is he going to fix a road out what the deal was with with kinsley was he and aj and morgan walked in because there's a couple of really a couple of questionable culverts and it's not kinsley's responsibility to to deal with that if it's um you know what i mean he's going to put some material over the top of them feels like he'd be able to do what he needs to do and it's not fair to hold him up towards you know what i mean to repair those culverts if they need it his plan i believe that morgan was to put some material over the top of him felt like he'd be able to get an out would be a big deal and at the end of the project they needed you know upgrading them he would take care of it so and uh something so that was a big deal we didn't talk about obviously we don't need to get along with him there um he does and mr sedgwick does and the turnaround would be in rochester and be at that fault so there are some areas that he's going to have to that he worked out with aj and morgan he's going to bring in some material just for the couple of areas um and the town is going to bring in material no kinsley is we don't need to put a lot of truck up there i know the i guess the culverts aren't my questions from the height of the land down i understand that there was a meeting up there and nothing can be touched on the right hand side of the road in the town right away that's the only way you're going to get rid of water comes down roll no that wasn't the case the case was that we just need to be strategic about where we're going to push the water off there's some there's some areas um on uh andrew's side that there's trees and stuff where we could easily diverge in the water which is not kind of diverted in the middle of his you know farm access to the field so we did talk a little bit about that um so that's fine i i can work with aj and morgan about addressing some of the issues you know to get the water off because this is a different story than i'm getting from kinsley well kinsley i'm not word kinsley and i i have an agreement in writing he already went up and spoke to um to and spoke with um morgan aj they walked the whole thing we have an agreement in writing he has his permit and um that wasn't present for his you know conversation with aj but we aj and morgan when we did put it in writing so um i think he well uh he told me that when he went up the first thing that morgan you told morgan to tell him that you can't touch anything on the right hand side that's the only way that water's going to get on the road well he also um we also put kinsley in touch with um andrew so that they were also able to meet about so that they were aware of what was going on up there and what we put in writing um andrew and um that was landowners agreed to so i'm not concerned about that how do we deal with this our problem so so is it is it is it going to be water bars that wait then to get the water on i don't know i'm not the road so i'll have to work i'll have to talk to aj and morgan i'm sure if they have any concerns or questions they'll work with andrew and and uh get things addressed and and just because we may need to dump water doesn't mean we need to dump it in a place that can be answered no there's plenty of places down through there we talked about this yeah back then and uh basically my brother said no it isn't going to happen there could be no water on my property and that's the way you left it you said okay that's it yeah and there's not going to be any water yeah well i think the issue was more where water bars work i'm i'm happy that we can hurt something because i just i just hear the town did uh excuse me i just assume the town did the park to get the water from running off you know from in front of my right away yeah yeah i want the town to do that not kinsley because i'm i'm friends with kinsley and i can see this is going to turn into this is going to turn it into a recipe for disaster for kinsley he gets done logging up there he's not allowed to fix up the road the way that he he does a good job you ought to see you don't see the job if you got it if you guys have if you have a chance to get a town road fixed up for nothing you shouldn't discourage anybody from doing that no and we haven't and i've had multiple conversations with kinsley and i feel confident that he's going to be a great steward of the road and um because he was told he was told by the owners that uh he could go on the left they could go on the left hand side to make the road but couldn't do anything on the right hand side well i would hate to steer anyone wrong at this point i don't have the signed agreement with kinsley in the letter that we put in but it's all agreed on so it's not a problem but i certainly will talk to morgan and aj about that i'm not sure what they're i know they're upgrading the sex suite because tomorrow probably we'll get to it tomorrow but i can also reach out to kinsley and see his timeframe so that we could get our work done for kinsley stars so normally with like storm water runoff stuff is if the you're allowed to maintain existing infrastructure so if you have it existing i'll make it up if we had an existing water bar that does spill off into there in the end and we could we or others could continue to maintain that piece but you can't create a new piece without having permission so like make it up so for my recollection of that road when i put up their last year is a majority of the storm water is well by walking down the road from from your house a majority of that water is on left side of the road and some of the ditching is kind of not up to cars so it kind of flows up and over the road and it kind of kind of goes wherever it wants to go you're talking where they plow chris yeah yeah because we walked down we walked down the whole road there you get to some of those areas where you know somebody had been out there you know a jeep or something you know there's some of those small muddy bog areas and just a couple culverts and where the culverts are at the water the water goes naturally to like the back end of the farm property but i think there was one section that was near an entrance i think of the field that that your dad had concerns about because water was spilling over into that without permission so it is not the same that we we can't divert some water off onto their farm field but we would have to deal with their permission if it's new so that would be something where where morgan will go up and talk with the landowner and say are you okay with if make it up we put a water bar here and you're going to have some discharge of water onto your land that's going to go in this area you're okay with that but that would be up for the landowner to say yes if it's not it would go back to dry water you know maybe we have to divert that water farther down before we get out of that so so when you do greater ditching which does a good job it's about all you need most of the road as far as i'm concerned so you go down the road where the grader goes off like that those are all illegal if you ask permission to all those people that you for if you can dump water on their property you're doing it there i'm talking about stormwater discharge that's what i'm talking about stormwater discharge if we have if we install a new culvert then in a new culvert that wasn't existing then we have to make sure that we're not diverting that's new stormwater onto someone's property what's the different in regarding culvert if it's a culvert if it's just a greater ditch off i'm not sure i'm not sure you know for the same rules apply i mean if you have a a ditch line for instance well let's say let's say i know it doesn't but let's say on that specific part of the road there's a ditch on each side of the road which there is but if there was one we're allowed to maintain anything inside like that right so we could maintain the ditch line but all that ditch line is doing is it's carrying water to the next spot to for a crossover whatever that is for the discharge would be if we wanted to discharge water then then it has to be legally you have to get permission to land over that so like i'll make it up like so an example is when we were doing after the spring flood in 2019 i was helping to do some some of those four jobs that we did in the different areas of the boroughs of town and can't remember the road but we were up over a east battle area on a road that didn't have a culvert that needed a culvert so i had to go to the landowner and get permission oh that's right yeah so when we put in a new culvert that is okay that we should try to swarm a water onto his land go as a as a courtesy to the landowner maybe but Vermont state statute said you can you can do it the town can do it if it's needed you know obviously you you couldn't do it in somebody's field probably without let's say said you could but in this case where you're doing it in the woods you don't need you don't need to get permission by state law i think it's generally it's courtesy you know my understanding is that certainly like i said we're putting in a new culvert sorry we have a water leak so i'm trying to deal with that too but um like you said sometimes it's just courtesy it's like us we're going to do this project in front of your house so we're going to put you know you and morgan and the person doing the contractor together to make sure your accesses are staked out and where you want them and how they're done i mean we just try to operate and you know in a just using courtesy so and i think and i think i was talking to rice today that things will probably be dried out up there what probably like mid-may hopefully still three feet of snow i guess we were thinking about you saw the last one there yeah i think technically we were thinking about maybe the end of may to have a yeah a special session where we'll go up there look at both both roads uh in hopes that that the spring thaws is done and dried up if it isn't then maybe we have to go along in an extra two weeks or whatever but like the the idea at this point is the meaning that we were going to have last november that we would have it in may the second or so it'd be the fourth fourth monday unless we do a special day to do that to go look at those but i will reach out to kinsley and see what his time frame is as one is to start and make sure that we're there first i think he's uh yeah sounds it sounds like a different story of what he told me he said you know he could do it anything going up on the lap well we have everything i have it all on writing and i just don't have it in front of me so i would hate to go and he was happy with the agreement that we hang out with andrew so you know i but i just i would hate to because if he might point you if he starts going that way to improve the role for logging then you're changing the senate line and road for in over a hundred years you change that change it change it all right then you're going to have the problem that you had with your class four ancient roles where you were trying to figure out where the roads went yeah no i agree about you're right i mean yeah so i'm just you know i think that kinsley is going to be great stored up it i think he's going to do a great job mr sedgwick i think that he was certainly he and i believe andrew that you know had a good conversation about what they needed and so if if he was going to put anything down so i i think it's just going to work out fine so but certainly i would reach out to kinsley to find out what his deal is and his time frame so and again i mean look it's tentatively whatever end of may versus june yeah i think it's still good get up there to do the work that needs to be done yeah i think it's gotta be creepy to snow but so and i did tell you to ask an email questions about policies and procedures i feel like i'm going to answer those all those questions and i think over that email today with morgan to make sure that everything i told you about hydrologically connected segments and how they choose and how they he said it was all accurate so that's for you had sent me an email because you were about the paul about the procedures for brush cutting tree trimming ditching and culverts so that email that i sent you with all the information about the 2020 culvert survey hydrologically connected segments how they track what needs to be done and i didn't go over that this morning with morgan just to make sure that i miss anything that i needed to tell you tonight or anything anything about like that email was thorough in that so that is how they determine it so i just want to let you know i just so the town the town is in charge of brush cutting it within the right away the town if you know i like i said to you with the email that generally morgan's focus is on you know class one two three roads and usually it comes to their attention when it's maybe affecting their plow trucks or put men or sorry approaching on something or we get a complaint from a from a neighbor then i'm tree trimming and brush cutting is not our first priority in the summer obviously it's it's grading ditching poly material that sort of thing but when it's brought to his attention now he does keep a list and try to deal with it on class four roads no but you know the others that's how he tracks is the way i explained it to the emails about uh roads class four roads that needed in the that need brush trimming in the land owner won't allow it that's not really a priority for us class four road maintenance has to be done i think is uh oh subject to public good you know or given somebody else mission about that on somebody else or giving someone permission to do it if they have a yeah permit to work in the right away or something if that was granted but um but anyways i just want to know the email i sent you about all that was was right i probably more than you ever want to know about the dc and hydrologically connected segments how that all works but so it was good i just want to let you know i didn't miss anything i asked more if i should there's some additional information i needed to provide so something is going to happen to something something is going to happen to get the water from running down to know that road on gilgit yes absolutely yeah okay and i'm being sure it's in the minutes on to uh um the ditching project on my property yeah how was that i know this hydrological blah blah blah yeah who chose that section of road actually i did with um rita cito and two rivers i'm not sure alan i have been gone where i don't remember the the time frame honestly i think it was before alan left and so um so anyways actually so i did um i myself and rita we kind of look at the places that if you're ever in town let me know i'm gonna find her like this and as i explained to you in email um two we two rivers go through and we have to do as we have a municipal roads general permit that we pay about 500 a year for and by i think it was whatever i said to you an email 2037 or something we have to have all the roads have to adhere to that and um so what we do is we write this letter intent that you're going to get money and then we get the money approved we you know we pick a project and that project was we knew we had culvert we knew we had um ditching a firm removal under the under the um guardrails and it was actually a segment that we chose because it was either medium or high priority so that's how we chose that's how we choose the projects that we end up doing we did christian hill that way we did um oh my god we you know we're always doing them we do them every year um we've done something we're hollow and so that's how it got chosen it's funny what i just wonder why mine was it was truly chosen just along my property and it gets to their property and it shuts off because my property all that's it was dry there's not a there's not a ball it didn't even wash out when i read there's never been a ditch share yeah there's never been a ditch share and what's that except the one you put alongside the road exactly where they're going to put one yeah with the attractor and straight blade yeah the one that's three inches deep oh the one that was six inches deep and dragged all the material out in the middle of the road okay yeah so what so we so that's how you need it's just chosen so when they we had nothing to do with as far as labeling whether it's a high priority medium priority low priority that's what two rivers did based on the stuff by the dbc department of environmental conservation on how it was so it just never came up and that's where it was and we looked at it we knew we'd be able to the grade and do some we're always looking to do firm removal under guard risk so room removal we needed to replace a culvert on gillian which was part of that process and ditching so basically it just we started looking at the need and of who's where and you're done so and we have the twenty five thousand dollar grant so that's why you can only do certain and they only allow you to do certain segments like there's pieces that don't qualify so so you just got chosen as your just your number came up um and i'm wondering if andrew here is making legal decisions for the firm is he on the deed or is he uh does he have a power of attorney to make decisions i wouldn't know and that's not my business that's not part of the sky i don't know anyway i i got a good one of what some of these you can have so do you are you a poll i mean by 2037 we got to do everybody so when i spoke to you said you weren't opposed to the project and we certainly you know we got to grade the road found a road put in a ditch stone line ditching um you know like i said your number didn't come up out of malice it just you happen to be on the list that means some work it's they're only farmers i've ever known of it hates a ditch well i will tell you this brine that section of right road doesn't qualify only your section i'd say your section why is it because it's not because it's not a whole hydrologically connected segment we had some other pieces that we wanted to do and uh of not your road but of somebody else's right we can't because if it's not you know i can't quote you the specific criteria but because yours is right there near the river and the way that the um it's not crown or that's our fault not crown there's berm under the garden it just it just came up but when you get further away from the river and further they don't qualify for this mrpg permit so but if you're in town i could show you i don't need to look at but i there is uh you know from my mailbox probably 150 maybe 200 feet there's a ditch it could be gonna come down and we'll call over it and but that's the only ditch that the town has maintained ever since i lived here i know it's kind of interesting because only recently did we start paying this money for this municipal roads general permit this is something that the state handed down on us they're the ones who decided this who said we have to be in compliance by 2037 the money comes from being trans this is um the municipal roads general permit you know it be able to underact something oh it came down to act i don't remember but you know that's the whole thing of Vermont being a dylan's rule state we only have we already branched us by the state so if they come and tell us we're gonna you're gonna pay 1500 bucks a year and you're gonna have this inventory done and you're gonna do this we just have to do it so there was certainly that's the only reason um you just your number came up and i believe it's myself and rita it was it wasn't out and word wasn't here yet so we just we know that was a different topic uh but we do um so it was just three to nine we just happened to look through and see basically lose next to inside priority because i am opposed i am opposed to it i'll listen to what they want to do and uh but 40 years at least 20 years i've been trying to get you to clean ditches and they're not allowed to clean ditches up at the farm they built their fences i guess i don't somebody said they can't because the fence is in the is in the way in the ditch anyway you gotta move the fence and clean and those ditches haven't been and um they had a his father had a some kind of agreement with the town that he would maintain the ditch i don't know himself and because he cleaned some out and alan took some stone up it was like two years ago couldn't be i mean you know we have a road foreman who and the road foreman does what the road foreman does but in this case you know we're installing ditching and bermain gradient all within our right of way so um we're not doing anything malicious we're just trying to adhere to the permanent guidance we wrote the grant under this guys of um this was the project and um so because i you know i they just it just happened to be that they don't that portion of right doesn't qualify for the program it wasn't i didn't kick you over them it just you just just happened to be your second you know they the town has showed favoritism towards the farm for 50 or 40 years and i think i think that this is but we're not going to get off the tracks no no we're not but i'm i'm gonna you're gonna listen to me no i didn't have to get riled up i just i've got a point if you're not gonna follow the formal system tonight i'm following normal system i know what i'm thinking is one pump the brakes for a second we ask for specific complaints that you had to write them down what we're talking about now has nothing to do with any of the complaints that you get before it gets it does it does it's ditching on right and what happens is we have a good discussion and we don't have a good discussion and what happens is the wheels come off the bus and we start to come off right now i'm just trying to guess back on track here because it what this is starting to turn into just like it does every time brian here is it becomes a dispute between your family your side of the family and his side of the family this has nothing to do with the town we're not showing favoritism towards anybody you have for years no we have not and if you're going to continue this then we're going to tell you the lead to it because that's not true we have not shown anybody any favoritism right because my biggest concern here is uh is the favoritism and it's also there is no favoritism one of my biggest just hear me out one of my biggest concerns here is um the conflict of interest that we have here with terese being related to the farm in the farm that's a big big big right right it's your last chance and i'm gonna tell you the lead and then so would you like to take up the next item that you have because we're not going down this room we're not going down it yeah we gave you we gave you some really quality time tonight to bring in uh your uh concerns we've gone through your concerns on gilead which it sounds like we had a very constructive possible discussion of and a timetable of when we're going to do this work um and now the last piece that you had um had the two things was to talk about the town sanding here or sound sanding and plowing in around the farm not plowing the sanding okay so so what is the the issue that that we have i i've sent terese the pictures they have pictures i gave them the pictures that you sent and your email that you wrote and um did you see the uh i gave i gave it to them you sent an email on november 8th 2022 so they have they have that they have um did you photos and did i want did it did it point out where the uh original turnaround was yeah one side the house it's there and this picture you sent a picture of the sanding and you sent a picture of the house so yeah i gave them that get a copy of your email okay so when um the school bus the the the town truck always used that turnaround um used to always did until 15 years ago 20 years ago whatever used the tertiary original turnaround the milk truck did the grain truck did the grater did and actually um the school bus never came above macintosh hill i was turned around in macintosh hill until the kids were got old enough to go on the school bus my brother went down to the school board and says i ain't got time to take the kids down to school i pay taxes and um you're gonna come up with a school bus so they came up and inspected that turnaround and they they used that for 18 15 between 15 and 20 years it's a safe fine turnaround when the milk truck stopped coming with a straight job and and towing a trailer behind it they couldn't turn around there anymore so that's when the whole yard up there was reconfigured um by the by the owners by the homeowners reconfigured so the truck the truck with a trailer could back all the way down to the barn and then pull out well that's when probably is a favor to the farm that's when the town started back and all the way down 150 feet down to the milk house and sanding and coming out and and there your your response from the town would do that for safety reasons well why did you start backing down there if it was unsafe and yet when the original turnaround was falling well i actually talked to um today a prior road foreman gary slap um because i wasn't sure of the history of turnaround and morgan's memory was that gary took him up there and so he's been doing that so i called gary today you know gary and um asked him what he knew and he said that that yes that the turnaround used to be where it was originally always where he turned around and then that when the trucks milk trucks that's what you're saying got bigger that um rick put in that you know second access to because the bigger trucks couldn't turn around there so he said he did not have a conversation with rick or anybody he just decided that it was a pain in the ass gary to to do a three-point turn there so he decided that on his own condition that he was going to back down that was the way he was going to do it and they've done ever since and he said he didn't get any permission and he just said i just did it nobody complained and so we've been doing it ever since and that's that's not right to be standing in somebody's private it costs money it's just coming out of the tax period of money well the way that that you know gary looked at it in the way that morgan looks at it now i can't speak for alan or or mr hide and um you know gary was like look i just i you know we don't back all the way down to where the milk truck is we just backdrop cloud will stand and you know and head up so he felt that it was easier for him and and morgan does the same thing and he said he feels you know for him he's done it the same way uh as far as morgan was concerned for about 16 years and he doesn't feel that he spreads excess sand up there and that he just does it for you know their safety and it just makes it easier and they start climbing sanding on the way out and morgan said today you know they also have other groups they have to plow where they plan on sand their turn around oh hooper hollow chase road popular manner old route 12 you know he listed off you know quite a few so but i was unsure because obviously it wasn't here so i did so i called gary the figure in a year he didn't mean the whole story so that's how it started he told me the same thing he said he said i back down there and i probably shouldn't have yeah well that's not what he said to me on today i spoke to him he just said that's what he did and rick didn't ask him he didn't do it as a favor to the farmers he did it because it was easier for him he said he didn't want to he'd have to keep making these three-point turns and so that's what he did and this cost but it cost the taxpayers money well maybe we dumped a ton of sand up there what's that there's plenty um but i mean get a price from dylan to go up there and sand it every three times four times a week and see what it costs it's expensive so that's the what we've been doing and we're not doing it as a favor to anybody we have to turn around i mean there is a portion of you know that's just where the road goes it goes up past there and we have to turn around and you know for if the road foreman feels that it's an issue for him and it's safety at it then that's it but we're not far we don't go all the way down for the the milk truck yes you do well you don't i asked more and he said we did not you go i don't plan so it's on private land you know what i i'd a lot rather have you stopped sand gear your swag driveway he worked for the town for 50 years i so i think at this point you're going to say in private god i'm a i'm a taxpayer i'm concerned i'm trying to you guys want to save money i want to help your concerns been heard and you know like again if the town decides that that's the easiest way to do it or the safest way to do it or then i think the only thing actually hearing this now is probably the only thing that we should have done 15 16 years ago is get the property owners permission to turn around there right or something that doesn't sound like that was done but maybe as long as andrew and his family is okay with that the way that's being done now then of course they're okay with it it's it's in their favor it's a convenience for the town we have to turn it never was it never was for 60 years so but right now i got your concern as a taxpayer a whole taxpayer in town other than that i mean it's a convenience factor for the town we do we do this in numerous other places that's favoritism no no it's not this is only one of one of the several favoritism it's a convenience factor for us it makes us less time to do that it saves us money so i guess you guys look at things differently than i do but i know you definitely look at farm up there differently that's what you were sure everybody feel sorry for a farmer but right so we have come to the end of our 30 minutes so we're at 753 so we i believe we heard out of everything that was brought to us by you to see then so we'll again we have the work that will get done out on i will talk i'll talk to kinsley i'll find out when he's starting we'll talk to morgan make sure to get there first i'll review the letter of agreement kinsley that i have and then i can ask morgan about you know what we do we ever ditch on right road past ryan's i don't know the answers but i can ask morgan about ditching um towards the farm because i don't know the answer so i can ask morgan and then we'll go do the work we'll make sure that you guys are all able to attend or voice any concerns while the work's being done and i did talk to i'm going to email the bellivance the ones who won the project near your house and um morgan's hoping for you know late this week early next week and he knows i said well we got to get you know talk to ryan so that ryan can stake out his entrances and we make sure that they're where you know how you like them so that that way it doesn't impact your access to the field so that you have that permission from landowners before you look at harrowing profits um and i'm not sure exactly where the where the town right away is now since they did the bridge job there or where the town right away is anywhere up soon there yes right i i i think i um is it's a new company of youth but they seem but conversation was really good with him and i told him that specifically that you're working know that you'll be meeting with you because to make sure that the access to your fields work where you um you know want to be in the way that you want to be and he said that was no problem and the town's going to do the grading he's going to do the berm move on the other side and um that way to be crowned and graded and all that so hope nice that was bellivance you're talking about yeah what's the name coyote i think it's rock rock is the guy i'm dealing with he works for um i don't maybe the owner but i work yeah i've been dealing with this i thought it was k k belli so i'd be i just been dealing with a guy named rock so maybe kyle owns the business but um this gentleman was was very happy to say you know work with you and he's like i don't know if whatever he needs him very well thank you for yeah thanks we will move towards the bond informational hearings and it's like we've done this once before yeah we're gonna do a hand so i think that so read i see i think i'm was guessing maybe that's read osborn who lives on crystal drive um i'm not sure if you do you have any questions read specifically this is to read i didn't have any specific questions i was just interested if there's any new information okay great um nope not at this point it's the same project we're gonna be voting on australian ballot on tuesday april 18th and um so no we should be good to go we have i'm going the same night as the bond vote i actually have an appointment uh with the development review board to get the permits zoning permits approved for crystal drive pump station as well as the upgrades to the existing um well house on pleasant street because since we're the town we actually can't approve our own zoning permits so they go to the development review board but no so far everything's on target on april 19th we're gonna have the um uh pre um bid meeting uh here at the town hall i believe so everything is you know moving full steam ahead so we've been advertising it really encouraging people to vote if they can't come to the polls we've you know there's ways 24 seven that they can request an absentee ballot so you know we're we're going forward and we're in the process is out it's definitely going to be a two-year construction season read so i don't know um i don't know how it's going to be staggered yet um but certainly um i don't know that yet but we can provide that information as we have it okay do you know anything about what the the nature of the disruption to the water service might be actually shouldn't really be hopefully anything for you i mean barring any obviously if something the line breaks and we're doing construction but usually the way we did it last time was we laid the water line and then we you know a certain day we connected so on that day we might say okay the your water is going to be off from x to from x period of time to y and then we connect and um and you're up and running okay sounds good yeah hopefully it doesn't you know from my lips to god's ears it doesn't really impact you much and um then obviously the only thing that will ask i know that your mom had told me and you're not alone there's at least three houses that have um internal what's the word i want you're basically booster pumps yeah yeah those got it those gotta go okay once we're fully online and um those those have to go but other than that um you guys should be should be all set okay sounds good i'm sorry about that my my booster is a modern marvel i'll hate to see it go well let me tell you you're not the only one because uh you have one and i believe there's at least two other people on on crystal drive which totally makes sense and um but no everything hopefully is is moving on target you know the bond boat you know i expected to pass on tuesday april 18th so um if you need a absentee ballot get a hold of pan brown and she'll send you one okay thank you thank you so much rith so you know the information is exactly the same the ad's been in the paper um there's an ad in the paper to encourage people to vote we've been putting it on facebook from porch forum we've done email blitzes with basically anybody that we know i know kelly knows committees know we were asking people to forward the information and uh you can get a ballot 24 seven just by calling the town manager's office leaving your name address and a phone number and um or email and pam so you know obviously as it gets closer you're really gonna have to vote with polls because with a mail we're not sure we can get you an absentee ballot up for a certain point but currently or you stop in and just vote stop it see pan cast about some unless someone has specific questions um i think all the information has been out there at nauseam sure vote during the town meeting show for people in favor get asked him yeah widely passed what's that passed by the law it did oh would have yeah it definitely went our favor so yeah fine we had 202 voters i told chris this chris that i'm like i want more than 202 people to vote on this project so i can't remember now what it was like 170 to 20 something yeah not as overwhelming as the first phase so it was like we had 350 like four people vote and there was 350 s and only four nos so hopefully we see a turnout but so that's it these votes tell your friends your family everybody vote right uh resolution for a local cannabis control initiative and yeah this is what you talked about last board meeting that you guys were going to become uh that you were going to be the individual so i took this directly from the state of vermont uh cannabis board and uh just so unless you see any errors um you can make a motion to adopt the resolution and all pass around for your signatures oh more comp time you're gonna see comp time well don't show up to one of these meetings i know all right top time you didn't get the memo well let orca knows it doesn't come off that up first this board we still have don't have the right to deny someone so bad character from having to store right i hope so pretty much just uh you're basically looking at the zoning breaks we can make i know i know i know but i have to go with what's our it's pretty it's pretty much like the liquor license it's all we can do we can deny a liquor license uh no really you'd have a hard time you know like if let's say somebody you know is making a selling liquor to underage kids and they're like well we're not gonna that's up to the vermont liquor board yeah you'd have a hard time denying someone you could deny it but it may end up getting overturned anyway i have to say i think it's this what did you say no i think in this case it's just a statement saying no i i did down and i will oh okay so the boat okay so he didn't get the boat yeah all right it was not unanimous we did okay never yeah so yeah you're right it's that's what this oh do you want that documented i don't care okay you are if we need to you know make the numbers out yeah that's fine no no i meant like you know we uh motion second all in favor so you want yours as a name mine's a name no that's fine no problem make sure it's i just want to make sure like whatever you want to really matter the way i understand it we are we don't have any control anyway but my voice is my favorite just like everything else from the state how much you know as we said earlier we're in dylan's rule state we get to do exactly what the state tells us to do automatically they make us feel good like we're part of it we're part of the solution but we're but if something goes wrong they're probably yeah pretty much so we have the we're all good there any further discussion on our new board adventure okay uh baffle historical society wants to do a coin drop probably just want to not approve that one i'm not approving it i have to so you guys are looking for me 20th and usually pamm i'm not pamm sorry kelly kelly takes care of the whole schedule so i'm assuming that's all good to go so you're going to do your map your map oh your hand drawn map that's the best one i've ever seen actually shows what you're supposed to do yeah so the needs to move that and make a second second all right thank you okay good to go sorry did you wait it's the map that is it's good to wait through until we get to this next thing that the opioid the opioid i'm only authorized town manager to sign those agreements i'm assuming everybody's ready ready read them are we okay with that and then the only reason why i say that is sometimes i'm looking through all that it's like you know if you jump on board and you take the settlement and something 20 years from now it was 10 times worse then we'll say well we are in a job you know is that well the yeah i i is this like a rubber stamp thing that all the towns were doing for the state settlement so if i was as as i read it yeah because i've always been hesitant because whenever somebody wants to call a u off well there was some some place with at least one of you but if we had more information came in at a later point we're not going to be in a position to administer any of that but it does impact how much money is available to the state to be administered and it is a crisis and we need to it's it's a settle it's a law settlement so i think we should do it i i'm trying to remember i i read through i don't see anywhere they're saying that this is um well there is a there is a site you go to to get more information but i try to remember i don't remember anything they're saying this is it i don't forget what it it's it's not for damage done it's for the palms i'll try to get the right words still trying to figure out how they're helping response the doctor is the one that signs the prescription go get the pharmacy but the pharmacies they're the ones that are the babies you know but it's amazing actor because the pharmaceutical industry really pushes their drugs on doctors and hospitals here we're going to give you all these samples at the end of the day it's the minister yeah some some towns where the pharmacy delivers more prescriptions for this than there are people in the community it's a marketing issue yeah so move second on favor all right all right right bates bar probably just reject that one hi jessie see if jessie's sleeping or not i'm listening to fire that bates bar first and third class like the license renewals so i don't think anybody has any questions with that just the emotion so did you approve the second yep and the next you need to sign it right all in favor hi hi so we have a water week so i think we're going to perfect i think we'll do that tomorrow and you approve the license as we did perfect do we have to sign those out the liquor license no not anymore remember we just get that oh that's the email thing and she has to tell me anything left on the town manager's report that so i will tell you when you go well not you when dave goes home and i hope you're going to see there's a water leak like we talked about so richard checked it out norga checked it out but i don't think we need to dig it tonight it's more dangerous to dig at night in the new area um it's it's i don't know if that's related i can't tell you that right now we'll know more in the morning so i just told richard that i think we'd be safer to dig it like six a.m instead of now getting big lights and all that and he tried shutting off the watch the apartment in a couple places and it's still flowing i said you know david he thinks it might be a spring but they're not sure if they can hear at least but um so they'll do it in the morning he's been a richard's going to cone it off tonight i've told them to text ryan slack at the state and let ryan know because he's out and gets calls and also to let bsp know so that they don't call more than all hours of the night and tell us you know it's coming up but it's going down the road and it's getting the road wet eventually it's going to make its way over the hill to the drain in front of the wall so digging it at night is just it's dangerous been doing it every year for years yeah and it's just so i don't know what it is and maybe in the daylight they'll have a better look see it and they can always call air i know the ghost for about two weeks i will oh it's simple actually he could have erin for us check it out um i'll just say see if erin can scope it out in the morning i think the only thing left on there yet the planning commission yeah so um on tuesday or thursday april 20th at 6 30 is going to be our public hearings of the planning commission so then after the public hearing we'll have a regular meeting and decide whether or not we're going to hand it off to you and then it's what the next meeting i'll let you know um the other thing was we had i did update the grant sheets for you so you could see where we're at with that and um so that's open right now we're to kind of let you know we're at we've got 2.8 million awarded and what our local matches and what the status of those grants are um also let's see that's lost so we talked about how many meetings we're going to have in may so i just think with the schedule the way it is it seems like we're always have plenty to do so i'm wondering if because i'm going to be gone so we're going to skip the we're going to skip the 8 so i'm wondering if you and we were going to meet our normal week because it's a weird month because it has three mondays so we were going to skip the 8th and we're definitely going to meet the 22nd i was wondering if we if you could meet the 15th we could do the 15th and the 22nd i just feel like we're going to the way things are going we're going to meet two meetings the project's going out to bid for the water and you know that sort of stuff i just we got to go up on right road yeah some point yeah well so because chris and i still have to meet with the attorneys chris and i are meeting so chris and i and the town's attorney and brian right and his attorney are meeting to go you know to deal with some of the issues that we've written back forth about so but the 15th yeah i'm yeah it looks like i'm i'm good both days if okay so the 22nd is our normal can you do the 15th yeah i can what i'm wondering is would it be better to do the 15th and 29th well i mean the 22nd is our normal only night just uh more of a week oh that's right oh that's right okay never mind i was just thinking that we would still be two weeks apart right just all right yeah denise can you do the 15th yep i can make both of those meetings but i'll be a remote for both all right so everybody remember that and that's for some reason we can't she's not telling us which one she's coming to no i'm not coming to either yeah i'm not going to either i will be there for the right road one i'll be back in town for that but i'll be remote for the 15th and the 22nd and i should i'm in charge of my own schedule this time so i shouldn't have any evening teaching let's hope so no meeting on the 8th and the 22nd and are are we definite on the 29th for the right road or is that still a no it's not definite because we need to get chris a guy in the town attorney need to meet with ryan and his attorney before the select board looks out before the select board looks at right but we can look gilead road till you know whatever andrew doesn't care we wouldn't go up but we can't we can't deal with the road till we deal we'll do with that with the attorney is so let chris know when it's dry enough up there would you feel so if that's july or august or whether it's still a while yeah there's no sense of going up and slopping in the mud so that is it i can't think of anything else at this point um so we talked about dear prepid phase two for the water project is the 19th and just encourage everybody in a boat and we should be good select board main minutes from the 27th one correction on the first page all the way at the bottom um dave moves dianne seconded i think it might have been denise must be it says dianne seconded but i'm i'm assuming we mean that denise oh that's sorry i'll fix it uh yeah dianne seconded look at that my operator you go show it up did i say right good thing it was only just one you know i got a few more tucked in this probably somebody called me and i was like nice catch lindley yeah somebody's got to do it paul i'm sure paul already already had it i was i didn't want to congratulate myself so i think it was late somebody else i did i'm going to eye doctor tomorrow but is there any way you can make that watermark just a little later sure yeah my eyeball i mean i had that yeah you can it's it outwards that's like yeah you can change the opacity of uh yeah i can yeah i can do it on my end you he can't but i yeah but you can i usually do so i'll make a note like not really complaining a lot like the drive would reduce the time it takes me to read that yeah no that's fine it's dark enough days yeah exactly all right correction to you should see me try putting it in today i was in a hole it was as far as i could reach so that's like that's where i can't see i got the 632 screw to put through two little holes that are as far away as i can reach and everybody there learned a lot of new learned it yeah i had never heard those together before yeah it's in combo sorry i mentioned to approve of the mended other stuff in there was meeting had to climb all the way back up but the financial and just a little note page in from pick out worse the uh had to go all the way pretty good the financials look good other and you said you had a bunch of diesel invoices a bunch of salt and then did you say you had some diesel stuff or no um we have some coming yeah just the salt like i could do that in this and remount the power that's the leg that would be like anyway there gmp applications you're gonna see that so yes it could be as bad as a light on the screwdriver and any other any other business company for the world we'll take your near enough move to adjourn second okay have a good night everybody