o figure it out as we go if we make it that far geothermal yeah that for me that's way to go because i don't have natural gas where i'm at so all i've got is propane that's why you know i added electric strips to the top of my plenum i have a 90 i think mine's only 93 percent and then i've got a 12 seer heat pump so i i need to update it it's it's about done hat i want to go with the nav 25 seer uh green speed so i need to get an actual price for personal use though it's only pretty good personal use because i have two of the green speeds in my house and people would think that i have gas heat is it worth paying the extra for because i know the one's five speed and the other one's true variable is it worth going with the true variable because like the what are the heat 8 h the h seer or whatever it is that number is the same i think 10 and a half or something like that or maybe it's 13 because for me i'm i'm focused on the heat factor not the freaking cooling i give a crap whether it's 25 seer i want to see you know depending on when you get it and what price you get if you can get the green speed go with it but i even tell my customers and maybe i talk myself out of money sometimes but i think that that 25 vna 8 um i always do the the because they have a 24 by 24 and a 36 by 36 i don't like that little short one as long you're not restricted on plate on space um that's the five speed i think that's the best bang for your buck yeah there's quite a bit of price difference i think isn't there like a thousand dollars because see i mean we sell high end stuff i mean it's i don't even know how our sales guy does it i mean he he don't hardly ever sell anything cheap and you know i've played with that thing i think it's badass i've changed compressor and one i've changed some leaking accumulators and some other miscellaneous but lately i haven't had too many problems with them and i know the five speed is what our dispatchers got and i started that thing up and she's able to run that in low freaking temperatures and it's doing a really good job and i'm kind of like that's why i want to get it but i don't know if that one qualifies for that special pricing for the the you know the personal use because i they wanted you to buy all the good the best stuff they got no i'm pretty sure that that would be in their high category so here's for example um i won't say exactly what my price is but yeah at least three two and a half tons of my currency what size what size system would be in your house i got a two and a half now but i'm just shy of 1800 square foot ranch style with a basement pretty well insulated two by four walls um are i don't know it's about a foot and a half of insulation up in the attic it's pretty decent so when you go with these they don't do half sizes so i go normally what i would do is if you have a two and a half i would go up to three even though you probably wouldn't need it only because you'd never run this thing's always going to modulate down yeah but on a hot summer day or a cold winter day you have that for that cold is what i'm looking at to be able to get that extra temperature out of it when it gets cold outside yeah usually mine takes a shit when it's about 13 degrees out so three ton for a green speed all right i'm gonna try to see the difference and then for the 18 all right so my cost difference how much i pay is 2,500 bucks between the two wow that's heat pump that's my pump i thought the one was like five grand or 5,500 bucks just for the condenser does that sound about right yeah yeah it's expensive yeah so that's i have a hard time justifying it man i don't want that damn bosh man i really i really want the infinity system but damn you know i have to buy the furnace to match it even though there's nothing wrong with my my 93 efficient linux i mean and it's got the ecm blower and all that crap it's just hard to like say okay i'm gonna spend another 2,500 on the furnace just so i can have the controls in another 500 600 bucks for the thermostat it's like uh i don't know well that's right so you're doing you're gonna that's right so you're gonna go gas furnace coil like so hybrid yeah that's what you're doing yeah that's what we're doing this this price might be a little bit different okay so yeah i mean it's not going to be cheap and that's what sucks and it's like there's nothing wrong with it right now and i'll grant it my du cane which is a cheap one it's 12 seer but the dang thing's done great i mean the highest electric bill when i went all electric was 250 bucks and then when i you know run dual fuel i run about 165 a month in the winter so but you know you depend on what your gas is it could be 99 cents a gallon it could be four dollars a gallon it's just you don't know you know depending on who's running the show so well if you're gonna go dual fuel then i would 100 say to do the 18 the five speed 18 seer is that all that is 18 seer because i thought it was both up in the 20s you you can yeah depending on how you match it up you can get a little bit higher but they call it the 25 vna 8 so normally we call it the 18 seer but the matchups you can get different so that's not even really true 25 unless you do a bunch of things to to reach it yeah like you cannot like the new one now is like all is has wi-fi and stuff like that yeah that's what i kind of wanted yeah well i'm well they all have wi-fi i'm talking about like the new green speed system has wi-fi like fixing it capabilities yeah you can go out there with your phone you know spelly talk to you and make let you know how it feels and what its history is and don't have to miss a thermostat yeah it sends me an email yeah i think it'd be kind of cool of course wouldn't it finally starts going bad you know just like when a an ecm blower or draft motor goes out your mods will be planned on spending at least 900 bucks it's almost a thousand dollars you know it's like what's but you know it's 10 years down the road but still you know that time's gonna come that's the thing it's like um are you really saving money by going up with a super high-end system because as soon as you're out of work though actually have to replace parts on it it's not about but you should never sell those systems based on savings um comforts where it's at exactly it's comfort and the comfort you get for the same price you were paying for that you know i mean for less price of what you were paying for that other mediocre system so this house right here is probably i don't know it's like 3,700 square feet it's it's it looks big that's size is all it has going for it but it's actually built very shitty um that's why it's a rental house i don't want to stay here um but there was one system in here that was undersized i put one of the green speeds in added ductwork upstairs and put another green speed system in both of those systems running are cheaper than the one system that was running before and this house has never been more comfortable um like i had a guy that i just sold one of the 18 seer inverter systems too and um he's like man he's like this fan he's like it always runs really low he's like i have it set on 71 he's like and it's i've never seen it off of 71 and i was like well that's what it does it it meets your temperature and it slows down so it slows the fan down so the air feels warmer coming out um and it just makes it a more even temperature until you actually experience what they do um it's just crazy like in my house um well let me step back for a second so i always tell people and you guys know this you know you have efficiency and you have comfort as one goes up the other one goes down it's kind of like a teeter tottering to me the inverters are the only ones that kind of balance it out where you don't got to pay a lot as far as your utility bill to be comfortable um now that i've had them and all my customers who have had them they can never go back it's just it's the experience that once you have it you can't go back to a traditional system i mean they've really had some good people designing that i mean it's it is amazing i mean it's hard to explain if you if you've not done anything with the infinity i mean it was so many years in advance over everybody else i mean even going back 10 years ago i mean it was more advanced than what anybody else had but if you see who the parent company is that used to own carrier uti and some of the other big names that do aerospace and all this other crap you can see where these engineers came from that designed it i mean they had a pretty good pool to pull from but i will say i mean i i know carrier so i talk about that but i've seen trains inverter system that i think is is badass it's a good system we actually just put in um because you use some elenic stuff when elenics is inverter system and i think that that's pretty slick so i'm just big on the inverter technology in general um for the for the cost and a lot of these places have rebates where like it's a lot cheaper than people think so yeah train my friend as well too yeah train trains um i've never put in one but i had a customer that had one and um he let me mess with it and that thing was pretty slick i really like the thermostat they used to for train so um what is it like the 6000 looking thing or is it then they come out something new thermostat it's like a 950 or 1050 yeah yeah so i think they're all they're all up there um i know when i put in a couple of the ream inverter systems i don't think that they're i know they're good but i don't hold them and i know some people uh i forget his one the one guy florida um i forget his name but he's a smart dude um here joe shear yeah him as i said yeah yeah he always kind of fights me with it and i know he brings up some very very valid points but i don't think the ream inverters hold a candle to like the carrier train and stuff like that um you know just being that rotary compressor and when i look at them i just i don't know i don't see the craftsmanship and the quality that i see in the other manufacturers well like the big boys um and mainly carrier and train the linux is pretty good looking i don't think that's still not as good as the carrier and train one um but it looks better than the ream just to me in my personal opinion ream's always kind of had an ugly look to it yeah well their newer ones are actually pretty good and i mean and i think you can get it for a pretty good cost some kind of technology i just don't think it's the same as i personally don't put it on the same level as them that's why it was tempting to go with the bosh i just don't want to deal with all the problems i had with my in-laws and so it's like but man i can get it so cheap didn't they fix that with the new boshes though like the 2.0 or whatever the hell it called it didn't change a lot i mean i kind of said i'd be quiet about it if you know they fix the stupid thing because that's how i got them to come out because i said you know what i did a live stream and was bitching about it because i've wasted a shit ton of my time on this stupid thing i never did get compensated for all that um i mean i spent probably as much time freaking trying to figure out why it was doing what it was doing is what it did to install the whole duckwork system and everything uh you know multiple trips back on this stupid thing but we ended up basically taking the uh an ECM blower taking it to its absolutely slowest speed and then uh that would be where the the the inverter system start out and then if the thermostat wasn't happy it would step it up to the next fan speed so now you know the fan's going faster trying to keep that temperature where it's at so it would increase the speed of the compressor it was a big mind game with the compressor because you're trying to outsmart the logic circuitry that's all outside and because there's no communications between it so i never understood that like i mean at the beginning that i remember like when i was podcasting with dipshit back in the day and um they would say oh yeah we want a psc blower i'm like what yeah i'm like how how are you doing that like to me that's how i'm sorry would you say what i was just gonna say that's the same thing with york york did the same show with the psc blower with module and all that it was bullshit and york i'm sorry york um i with my dad's company we installed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of their modulating and high end systems and we had so many fucking warranty calls and the only way we didn't go out of business is because we bought their extended warranty with a paid labor that's it that's the only reason because we we did so many of them so um now the york guy is calling me and he's like we really want you to try york again i'm like bark up the else's fucking tree i guess like i'm not even looking to do that right now and he's like i'll give you any system you want for free you can put it in your house and anyone else's house i'm like eh you can keep your fucking system i don't even want to deal with it because i've always tried to get me demonetized bad on bad we're good you know i don't care we all the time and we're not demonetized is it well they limit you is what it's kind of weird and only in the first so many minutes yeah so many minutes and so whatever else it's really questionable because sometimes like for a while there they'd be like 100 trust me and then after a while they were kind of like are you sure you know and i don't know as long as you stay in your stuff's not made for kids you can say whatever you want is it it's kind of weird because like you notice like they group everything together far as like your titles long as it's not this or that or blah blah and doesn't happen in the first so many minutes but i don't care these things are lucky if they make me three dollars maybe six i normally welcome people by saying hey fuckers so i'm probably not doing very good as far as the language um then you tune it up you're like i love you mofos and it's like why pull back now dude yeah yeah i know it's funny i've actually that's what my wife said she's like you you coughed and you say the f were the whole time and then you end it with mofos she's like what a bitch i was like oh thank you i was like man thanks for really punching me in the gut there appreciate that so that's funny uh yeah speaking of that i figure i let you know um we have to get her going back it's kind of been a rough week for her um she's been having some pressure and stuff on your heads and having headaches and stuff so i'm trying to get her to go back to the doctors here soon because it was kind of a kind of a crazy week you know it is you got good days and bad days but it was just a couple quite a few bad days in a row that was um like oh shit well we need to go in bed all day yeah so yeah that sucks hopefully it's nothing it might be there's a lot of weather fronts it's been coming through and stuff i've had a lot of um i forget what day it was there's one day that i could just tell um i think it was like monday or tuesday my head just i had so much pressure inside my head and it wasn't like a sinus pressure type headache thing it was like i've got too much fluid in my head yeah well it's it's kind of funny but it's wrong but a friend of mine gave me like a whole thing of those blue chews those things for bing bing um and i came home like uh it was like wednesday night and i was like oh yeah i'm gonna eat one of these mum yeah we're good and then she then found out she wasn't feeling good and i was like well good thing i didn't eat that it'd been one awkward night walking around pitching a tent all night like go to bed kids go to bed you know um good thing i waited that's funny you never know what we're gonna talk about on here yeah i'm gonna try to get water to sponsor the podcast i mean how many hbc you guys out there hey you're home you know running pipe all day and you get home and you have some issues everybody has has run running pipe all day and you get home and you just want to lay a little pipe yeah you know next thing you know your your torch isn't working and you gotta you gotta try to figure something out so you gotta wire this thing up oh hey you guys you guys could um record a commercial and um air it on the on the overtime show rick you can use your dj voice oh god yeah that'd be funny that would be kind of neat you do some do a comedy skit of some sort news yeah yeah what was that well we was watching some guys singing singing today who were they they were doing some oh it's some new channel i found and they were doing um on the spot like one takes where they were singing and they were doing and impersonations and they'd hold up a a freaking sign and he'd have no clue so maybe it might be obama could be you know some famous guy and they'd have to change their voice to match it while they're singing the song they're doing then they had some songs that they actually completely changed the words in it which was pretty good too and it was pretty neat pretty funny yeah that funny hey i don't mean to like hijack your show but i would love to know your guys opinion the podcast that's coming out tomorrow morning uh me kelly and ryan my partner talk about when you're starting a company and i guess well i mean both of you would know this um um do you think the brand of equipment you sell is important i guess it depends on how bad of a brand it is because like the company that i first started with long ago used to be a linux dealer and they lost it and because the people that originally owned it went up against them and basically took over the linux whatever and now they sell i think they switched over to some other off-brand concord something and eventually they they're now selling goodman but they had a they they were huge company originally and granted they just pissed away customer after customer and they sold the living crap out of the freaking uh goodman stuff yet because of their name they stuck around for quite a while so i mean if you don't believe in it's gonna be hard to sell it but you know i think you have you have to believe you what you're selling but it has to be halfway decent equipment i think most equipment now um it really is based on how well you install it absolutely like you always go through those times like i was talking about with york where there's like lemons of equipment and york when johnson controls bought the residential side of york and um they were selling the the new infinity modulating all that crazy crap that just came out that was garbage i'm sorry like anyone from johnson controls will admit to you it was garbage right there was bad bad equipment that was coming out at that time but like everyone has it carrier has their bad secondaries train has their bad um draft motors and circuit boards um everyone has their bad coils everyone has their bad batches of equipment so i don't think it really matters um everything it ends up panning out at the end you know i mean but yeah i wouldn't sell york yeah my personal opinion i mean obviously i i wouldn't touch york and i wouldn't touch like one of the nordine brands or nothing like that like me tag or something uh but i think when people are starting out brand should be the least of their worries um only because i agree it's it's how you put it in and it's also what supply how like who's gonna take care of you the service behind it i mean you when i call the salesman is he gonna answer the phone you know if i have a warranty issue or you're gonna help me out um you know so i i think a lot of other factors go into place when you're starting out more than equipment i think too many guys think um oh i'm gonna sell train don't be a train dealer i'm gonna be a carrier dealer and they're getting shit prices they're trying to sell their system too too high and they're making a little bit of profit margin um when it's really just try to find somebody that's gonna work with you and take care of you that you can build in the future once you get a little ass behind you yeah then if you want to start trying to you know finagle and make sure you're getting a good deal but i think in the beginning to me i think brand is not important at all when you start out i agree i can see that i mean you you're selling it on on the installation and the service the service is everything i mean anybody that's been screwed will know how important the service is and they should be buying you not the brand of equipment anyway like here at bellway um no matter what brand of equipment we sell our base warranty is the same no matter what what brand it is so you know that's just if somebody you know but if i go into someone's house and like you know i like carrier but so we deal with carrier linux and goodman um if i go in even though i like carrier and they're like man i really love goodman well guess what i'm gonna sell them a goodman if that's if that's what they want why am i gonna bite them out if they've always told themselves why would i talk them out of it that's like i always say if you go in mcdonald's and you're like yeah let me get a 10-piece nugget and they're like no you want a quarter pounder you're like no dude look give me a 10-piece nugget like i want a 10-piece nugget no you don't want that you want a quarter pounder nobody does that you're gonna give them a sale yeah so it's just i don't know it's crazy yeah i could see that definitely well shoot we've had drug this thing out about longer than i have for a long time two hours and 43 minutes i don't think i've ever gone this long that's crazy that's turning to a hangout not a show you know and i don't care i they don't bother me none i at least got the coolest people that come in every week and that's what i really like and i mean i try to put my quality behind the video and this here is kind of more more hang out and then eventually if i ever get really really big you know and that'd be an easy way to answer questions and stuff because i mean eventually it'll be the point where i can't sit there and respond to all of them maybe i mean i finally hit 11 000 so congratulations man yeah it's like 650 some subscribers and less than 30 days i mean it's it's still climbing so that's why i've been trying to do a week and it's very difficult so we'll see how things go this week with me being on call it's just uh takes so much time i mean i got so many videos i just don't want to use like that one i just use i didn't want to use it and yet it i always get a kick out of what people like it's like what i might think it sucks and then it's like they like it it just it's weird it's really weird so i've got a residential one where it was just a simple pressure switch came off the hose but yet i went through and checked everything else and it wasn't our normal brand and i thought you know what maybe somebody will like this that's fairly newer because they ain't going to be interested in refrigeration because they're probably coming straight out of school so maybe they don't want to know about that so maybe they'll love it that it's you know a residential unit that was pretty something simple but you know look here's all the other things i did besides just fix the pressure switch it was off you know so i don't know just film it man you ever know yeah i recorded it it was and i used my phone and said my GoPro when i do that that sucks because i don't i don't carry a tripod with me no more so i can't do integral work with both hands while i'm holding the phone so that's why a lot of times when i don't take the GoPro with me and either it's dead or i forgot it or whatever um i i don't have any way to hold the camera so i can't record doing the brazing or whatever i'm doing so my biggest thing is like i hate editing and i was thinking about like i just want to make stupid little videos like that's my idea it's like when you're working at something you're installing equipment or whatever um like you just show a switch or an outlet and it's like hey guys when you're doing this outlet this is how you strip the wire this is how you wrap it's like clockwise around the screw and you tighten it you know what i mean how often do you run into equipment where it's wrapped the wrong way around the screw or they just take the wire straight underneath the philips screw and it's just about ready to pop out right or they they strip the freaking thermostat wires an inch long and they're sticking through past the terminal strips just waiting to be shorted out to something else just like very basic things that like guys that are coming in don't know it's like super basic things i was thinking about just making videos like that where it's running the thermostat wire along the duct line and putting it through the drive cleat and using the drive cleat to hold it up sorry the guy in the comments detecting Arizona said i released a video this week and lost a sub it happens man it happens yeah that's why i i i hired an editor um just because yeah well me and my partner ryan because he's he's gonna start doing some youtube stuff we're in the process of trying to buy this building um because you know we we do a lot of remote stuff here so we have a couple different offices but we don't have like some huge warehouse right now um just because we don't need it um just the way we do things we don't need it um so we're trying to buy oops what the hell did i just do i was trying to type to the freaking thing hold on gill sorry about that i'm like freaking in the middle of a good conversation sorry i was trying to respond signing the chat i can't even talk to him this appears why do i can't i can't don't don't click anything well that sucks i was gonna say hi uh residential go ahead can't freaking do it obviously without crashing it yeah no long story short we're just gonna get this building um we're gonna put our own offices in there and part of that's gonna be an actual like studio studio that we're gonna we're gonna use um and we have a a guide to editors gonna edit the youtube videos for us just because that way i can just film stuff so since i'm not actually fixing anything per se anymore um and you know you can't really film sales calls and stuff like that i don't know if you'd want to show them your tricks yeah i don't but it was so funny you say that because somebody else asked me i'm like like dude this might sound cliche but i don't really have any tricks it's psychological you just gotta make friends with them you just gotta you just gotta believe in your product and be personable and make them believe in truly believe in your heart that you're there to help them and sell them what they need not what they that you want to try to get rid of i mean anytime you don't try to sell it and you just say hey i'm really excited about this because here's these things what's your budget range what are you looking for i don't care i'll sell you the his to this it makes me no difference i make the same money either way which one do you need okay cool i love this thing you know and if you're excited about it now some people won't give a shit but i mean a service guy can make a hell of a great salesman because freaking he knows what he likes to work on because he don't have problems with it or it's easy to work on you know here's the reason why i like it and that's how i picked out my worser and drier that's kind of the the what i've run into because i don't like selling i don't like being a salesman and what i've found is like if you just get down and dirty technical with the people and tell them like and you break it down for them you know i mean like why this is what you need why this is better uh listen to you because it's not just like this is bad you need a new one yeah period you know what i mean because they're like okay it's so simple you you really lay it down for them and you tell them all the details and why this is what's going on and you you tell them like you know technically what's going on and then um you really just explain it to them they get it yeah exactly i i just educate them i just tell them about different things that are out there um i do give some of my personal opinion i try to put it i make sure that they're involved that they understand what i'm talking about when i talk about two stage versus single stage um about dehumidifying and stuff like that i make sure it's a way that they understand and i ask them questions to make sure they understand um i don't ever want it to be me just sitting there preaching at them blah blah blah blah they're then they're not they're not listening to me um so i just make sure there's there's sometimes i go out there and the people are like i only about 30 minutes like you know what i'm like for me to do this right i need more than 30 minutes of your time i'm like how about i'm purchasing decision makers here yeah that was a big thing i learned when it came time for wedding dj if i'm going to try to get you to spend a thousand dollars with me i need the decision maker to meet with us if they're not then we need to pick a day that we are because the last thing you want to do is do all this information and hope that that person can relay the information to the person that really is going to make the decision you just wasted your time well also the follow-up is very important especially this time of year the follow-up because i love sales but i also don't believe like i know there's all kind of shit spills you can give when it's like you know if it's just a wife or just a husband and you know i know me and kelly have mentioned some and that's things that are out there i would never do that i'm not going to try to i wouldn't want i wouldn't make that decision without my wife and i wouldn't want my wife making that decision without me so i'm damn sure not gonna do that to a customer um so it's all about the follow-up and my first follow-up i always do is always i call them uh you know personally or if i have to send something over um if i can't talk about the quote in person and i have to send it i call them before i send it i've closed them over zoom calls like hey i'm gonna do you have a second you know what i mean can you open this up so we can look over together um you know tried some different things some work some don't but uh i just try to be honest with people i i really do and and that's really what works i could probably be a lying scumbag and make more money but i'm good i don't need that no now if you're looking for long term yeah they'll remember that people you know good good newville new good news travels slow but bad news travels fast so the guy read said are you selling time shares yeah and then hey like i said i wanted to be i wanted to be the most expensive disc jockey i could be and i had to learn how to do it i went to trade shows in chicago down in my aunt or or lando i mean i went everywhere you figure when i was in a town where the normal dj charge 400 bucks i was getting 900 to a thousand you know chicago they was getting 1200 for four hours i was giving them unlimited but they never even used the full unlimited so you had to learn techniques and granted i gave them what they paid for but it took a lot to learn and i learned a lot of stuff by that a lot of times no one wants to be sold it's just communicating with the people is a big thing so yeah that's huge that's huge man i was going to beat the chiefs damn it so i could make a hundred bucks well i think we should probably kick this thing in the head we're at almost eight minutes till three hours holy macaroni i appreciate everyone coming in here tonight before you go out the door and slam it knock it off the hinges be if don't be afraid to smack that thumb button there if you would please so you guys definitely smash the subscribe button man rich does a lot of hard work making his videos his videos give a lot of good content share his video share it with other people so when you like it like all these streams when you like it it triggers the algorithm and it makes more other people see it after the fact so they recommend it to other people and don't forget to check out overtime h back overtime if you guys don't already know i was just gonna say and hvc uncensored with gill and kelly they have an awesome thing going on actually not just kelly gill kelly and or steve yeah mr steve going with me i i got a couple of things that are going to be happening i'm just i'm not saying anything until they happen anymore because every time i say hey i'm gonna do this i never do it so some things are gonna happen maybe we'll see what happens you know i'm excuse me we got some really important things going to happen you need to come in and make sure they happen yeah and you're gonna love it i'll be there all right i'm gonna be there too every now and again i i actually you know can actually listen to those things and and just listen it's kind of nice so it was something new to me because like i told you that day i i've never done any kind of podcast before and it kind of gets addictive after a while i think i went through and listened to like about eight or ten of them in a row like i was changing heat exchanger doing all kinds of things that just i've done it so many times i didn't have to like focus on nothing and i just jamming away at it it was kind of cool i like it it's really fun stuff so i don't want to tell you anymore because you only hear the same song so many times but one that's good that's hvac is um my buddy christiano from rhino strategic solutions which i think i've you've heard me talk about haven't you adam yeah um he has it's called our to the point podcast that's hvac related um that's really good i didn't even know about it i knew him had no idea he had a podcast and um that's another hvac one that's really really good um he's got a good podcast so yeah i usually just type in hvac and see what i find and and start you know clicking on them and then seeing what they've got because i'll use um what the heck is that thing called because i it doesn't necessarily really download it let me look and see what it is called well in the next couple of weeks listening to um yeah it's just called podcast it's got like this little weird well right there you can see that you're there there it is so yeah yeah if we knew it in school and we're hearing guests um even working this we were supposed to do this show a long time ago and we're just now doing it we're gonna be a guest on um it's called the air conditioning guys i think they're um they're a pretty pretty big show out of australia really um yeah an hvac podcast is two brothers and um i've been talking back and forth these guys for a while but it was like the time zone and it would be like hey man can you get up at like 4 30 i'm like fuck how i can can you throw something at them when you do it yeah i want you to say the dingo stole my baby yeah um let me let me make sure on this email it's got yeah it's called the air conditioning podcast says hot topics and cold hard facts but yeah there's two brothers out of uh australia everybody over there's fridges really but i'll stop talking i know you were trying to end the show like i'm surprised she hasn't walked away yet it's kind of like the dog's been sleeping on the lap for out and how long it uh but no it's all good i just i don't i don't want to like run it into the ground i'm still got 41 still hanging along that's really surprising that's cool so they really like us they really do that's cool so yeah but yeah if you want to hang out here we can shut her down we can let these guys go to bex i figured a lot of them you know on the east side here you know they're probably getting late into the evening here let me bring it a little closer for you you ready sure all right guys till next time we'll catch you on the next one gillian adam you guys want to hang around just hang on ready bye bye bye thanks now bye bye bye bye i want to see motion movement bye bye okay bye take care bye bye no i got youtube over here it's the other button you ain't where did all the bye bye thing go it's playing is it okay they're hearing it then so bye later bye bye


Γεια σας my crafty friends and welcome back to another card making video. Today I am making the most out of one dice set and I will be playing with these studio light dice that give you lots of different designs for Christmas trees along with ornaments and stars to play with. And I am going to create three different cards trying to go through different styles και τεκνικές και να σας δείξουν κάποιες ιδέες για το τι μπορείτε να κάνετε με τα χρόνια της Κρυσματίας. Τώρα, αυτή η βίντεο είναι also part of a videohop by Studio Light. Λύτε ένα κομματισμό εγώ για την εποχή για να γνωρίζετε χρήμα. Θα βρεις όλες τα πράγματα για πώς να βρεις τα δεξιότητα εγώ από τη δησκρίπτωση. Λοιπόν, για το πρώτο καλύτερο καλύτερο εγώ για ένα βίντεο στυλ και αυτό θα είναι ένα βίντεο καλύτερο. Μπορείτε εύκολα να βρεις ένα στυλό καλύτερο, αν θέλεις. Και αν βρεις για ένα βίντεο στυλό, ξεκινάτε με το κραύμα της Κρυσματίας. Λοιπόν, θα χρησιμοποιήσω ένα τεξ-σταμπ και θα σημανήσω ένα λίγο στο καλύτερο καλύτερο. Δεν θέλω να μείνω με την καλύτερη εμπειρία, δηλαδή θα χρησιμοποιήσω ένα σκραπίσμα της Κρυσματίας και θα μιλήσω σε διάφορες περιοδές. Η χρώση που εγγραφίσω είναι η εμπειρία της εμπειρίας και αυτή είναι η βίντεο στυλό. Και θα σημανήσω με το τεξ-σταμπ στο κόμμα μου. Και θα εξεχθώ την ίδια πρόσσοση, στο κόμμα της εμπειρίας. Επίσης θα κάνω το ίδιο με το σκραπίσμα της Κρυσματίας, θα σημανήσω να αφήνω ένα λίγο από τη εμπειρία, γιατί δεν θα έχω την καλύτερη εμπειρία. Και αυτό το τεξ-σταμπ είναι ένα τεξ-σταμπ πραγματικά από τις ευσέντρες από η Γιολάντα, από ένα προηγιό στυλό. Είναι ένα από τα τεξ-σταμπ που μπορείς να χρησιμοποιείς και πάνω. Τώρα, έχω ένα άλλο σκραπίσμα. Αυτό είναι ένα τεξ-σταμπ, που είναι καλύτερο για την Κρυσματία και αυτό είναι από το Κρυσματία, από το Στουδο-λάιτ. Και θα προσπαθώ να πω το οποίο θα παίρνω. Ξεύχω να πω αυτό. Τώρα, θα σταματήσω αυτό στο καλύτερο. Επίσης, εγώ βοηθήσω στο βασικό τεξ-σταμπ. Λοιπόν, δεν πάω για την καλύτερη εμπειρία. Δεν θέλω αυτό να είναι πολύ βιβραντικό. Επίσης, θα πάω με πραγματικά. Αυτό είναι ένα βίνταξ-φωτο. Και με το ίνκ-πατ, θα κάνω κάποια εμπειρία, όλοι εκεί. Ξεύχω ότι δεν χρησιμοποιηθώ με το ίνκ-πατ. Αυτό είναι το ορισμό της εμπειρίας. Εγώ βάζω τα ειδικά όπου έτρα, όπως και όλα τα ειδικά από αυτή η δουλειά. Και να βάζω τον δημό του βασικού τεξ-σταμπ. Ξεύχω το ίνκ-πατ or το γλασσμα. Τώρα θα τα απλάξω λίγο βασικό τεξ-σταμπ και θα θα μιλάω σε πλάσεις όλα στο βασικό τεξ-σταμπ. Και θα φύγω να το βασικό τεξ-σταμπ με αξιωτικό τεξ-σταμπ. Τώρα, θα χρησιμοποιήσω με την καλύτερη εμπειρία Απ' η Μαρλίνη μου, εγγραφήσαω με νερό και εγγραφή εξογραφή και θα δώσω τα πλασά πέρα. Αυτό θα δώσω το νερό και φύλλο του σνόμου. Εδώ είναι ένα κλεισόνι στο μπροστά μου, έναν φύλλο βιντατζι, με μπροστά μεταλλογραφή. Τώρα έχω ένα νερό, καρδιά, και θα κοτω ένα τρί, επειδή χρησιμοποιώ το ίδιο όπως έγιναν για το κόμμα. Είμαι φτιάχνος μου καρδιά, από το κραύμα καρδιά, Αυτό θα είναι ένα κορύφος με ένα καρδί που λάγεται 4.5x5. Τώρα εξαφερήσω το πάνελο βίντεο στον πίσω και μπορεί να βλέπεις ότι είναι λίγο πιο σύννομα για να μεταφερήσει ένα κορύφος και μετά στον πίσω θα πω το κορύφος. Θα ανοίξω το κορύφος και να το ρωθώ με το κορύφος μου. Θα ανοίξω το κορύφος για να ανοίξω ότι θα ανοίξω ένα κορύφος που έχει το σχέδιο από το κορύφος μόνο από το κορύφος και φυσικά θα ανοίξω όλα τα πράγματα από το κορύφος και φυσικά θα ανοίξω όλα το κορύφος με κάποιο κορύφος για να ανοίξω ότι δεν θα ανοίξω με το κορύφος μου. Για να φτιάξω το ίδιο σύννομα όπως το κορύφος του κορύφου, θα ανοίξω ένα λίγο βίντεο στον πίσω around the edges of my cut-out tree και αυτό θα ανοίξει καλύτερα inside that window. Ξέρια ότι έχω μην ακολουθθέσει έναιχείρο σε βάνα, θα ανοίξω το ανοίξω αυτό και όταν ανοίξω το βάμε, θα μπορείς να μεταυχάζει το τρίνο, αυτό θα ανοίξει στο καινούαμενο στον πίσω ένα κορυφότωabol. Και μπορείς να μεταφαλείτε ότι το βίντεο όπως είναι ανοίξη, θα νιώθω να ανοίξω να ανοίξω ένα να ανοίξω, για να μπορώ να το κοβω και αυτό θα προσφασιστεί για εμένα, μετά από να βρεις κάποιες αυτοκλήτες στον αυτοκλήτρο της καρδιά. Λοιπόν, θα απαθήσω δυο πιστές του τελευταία στήρια και θα απαθήσω το ασυντάκι. Είμαι σκορδεύτας με ένα σύνθετο αυτοκλήτρο της καρδιάς της καρδιάς, για να απαθεί στήρια στήρια στήρια μέσα από το κόμπο. Και όλα έχω να κάνω είναι να κλούω αυτό το κόμπο στο κόμπο μου. Και αυτό είναι όπου μπορείς να κάνεις πολλές διαφορές από αυτήν την συμφωνία. Μπορείς να χρησιμοποιήσεις φόμπταση και να χρησιμοποιήσεις κάποια σχετικότητα inside. Η στιγμή που έγινε was to shunt which that acetate in between the front flap and the panel that I placed on top. Και μπορείς να δείτε το τρίο από το inside of the cart.    You can either stick those pieces on the inside directly on top of the tree or like I'm doing here I'm going to add all the decorations on top of the acetate.  Now if you look at the back through that window you can probably tell where the glue is. If that bothers you you can cut out extra ornaments, they are symmetrical so you can easily stick them at the back and you won't be able to see the back of those ornaments at all. And of course you can stop at this stage just add the sentiment and you are good to go. You can take it a step further and I'm going to bring another die set from the latest release by Studio Light and this is a set that you can grab again and again because they have the perfect leaves and branches for Christmas compositions. They are great fillers and that's exactly what I'm going to do.  I added some vintage photo very lightly so that they all have the same look and feel and then I'm going to arrange them at the bottom. And of course here you can make it as fluffy as you like you can add even more branches or different ones. There are some lovely branches with berries. I decided to leave it as it is and as a sentiment I'm going to use one of these stamps. I am going with the one that I used for the background.  With my scissors I'm cutting out what looks like a banner on this stamp so that I can pop it with foam tape on top of the other stamp just to make it look more special to add that extra something. And this reads Happy Holidays December 25 so it works as a sentiment. And this will go at the center of the branches. Here is a close-up look on this cart. I did add some gems as a last-minute finishing touch. I'm going to add some close-up photos of this cart and you can have a similar design with an ornament die for example. Instead of using those branches at the bottom you can add them at the top of your ornament. And as promised I'm going to make the most out of these dies so let's make another cart using a completely different style. This time I'm going for a more clean and simple look not a vintage one. So I grabbed this DIY block paper pad this is from the latest Christmas collection by Studio Light and I tried to find a quite tough busy background. I like this one especially because it has a solid background on one side and it is very busy on the other side and I will use both those sides for this project.  I actually used six of those trees that I cut out but you can go ahead and make it even fluffier. We are going for a three-dimensional tree here and the shape of it just because it is so symmetrical makes it perfect for this technique. So all I'm doing is to fold those trees in half and I alternate the way I'm folding them. For half of them I have the solid color on the outside and for the others I have the patterned one. So here you see I have five of them folded in half and you can see how they alternate solid to patterned paper. Now I am going to use one more tree which is going to walk us a base and I'm going to stick all those folded trees one next to the other. It's a really fun technique and ends up with beautiful fluffy trees The more folded pieces you use the fluffier your tree will be. I'm using glue, white glue, just because it makes life easier when you try to stick one tree on top of the other you can easily slide them until you have the perfect alignment and I'm going to stick the last one here. Now this is where I decided I didn't need to add any more of those trees. I find it is really fluffy and lovely as it looks at the moment but of course you can glue the two last pieces together and end up with an all-around ornament. However I'm going to stick that on top of my base and end up having a three-dimensional element which is perfect as a focal point on top of my card. Now the fun part is that you can make it fit inside an envelope. So now I'm grabbing my paper pad again and I'm going to look through those patterned papers included. I know that everything matches perfectly with my tree since I did use patterned paper from this paper pad. I decided to go with this one a lovely subtle design with white stars and I'm going to cut out a piece without destroying the elves I might use them for another project. The fun part about this paper pad is that it gives you lots and lots of designs that you can easily pop out and decorate your card so I can have a little elf along with my tree or little ornaments candy canes and stuff like that These are the DIY blocks by Studio Light There is a whole collection of them with lovely designs They have a seizure with an X on top that means that all designs are already cut out for you All you have to do is to just pop them up. So again for my sentiment I'm going with one of those circle stamps I'm going to stamp one that has a lovely deer a red ink I just popped out this little strip of patterned paper from the DIY blog and I'm also going to pop out one of those circle ones and now I have all the elements ready to go It's time to assemble my card I did use foam tape at the back of this panel Since I used a red ink to stamp my sentiment that's why I picked that strip and that circle to introduce a little bit more red on my card and this is one of those cluster cards as I call them where you find different elements and you just combine them all together almost one on top of the other creating layers and remember that although the tree looks so dimensional you can easily flatten it up and it is going to fluff up again when you take it out of the envelope So I'm going to place my sentiment down and I did combine it with the red circle underneath Again I did grab that die set with all those branches I used one of them to cut out branches out of white card stock and out of volume and again these are great fillers they are going to give something extra on another wise playing card I'm just tucking them underneath the sentiment and finally I finished off the card by adding some gems and here are some close up photos that three dimensional tree is a great focal point and you can make it with any pattern paper Now I am preparing my next card again a side folded card that's four and a quarter by five and a half and for the previous card I did use this DIY block which is the cozy christmas for my last card I'm going with this DIY block this is called happy christmas and it features all those lovely designs and I love the modern color combination Again it's one of those paper pots where you get lots of pattern papers but also elements that are already cut out for you and all you have to do is to pop them out and these are tags, burners, stars and lots and lots of elements that work as focal points So again I'm going to play with this one for this card and again of course I will use the christmas dies as I did for all the cards Remember look for that scissor with the X on top if you are looking for these paper pots by studio light Now I decided to go with this pattern paper that has a very subtle look of wood grain and I'm going to use one of my rectangle dies to cut out a piece Of course I have to be very careful not to ruin that little deer the tree I may use those as focal points on another card In those pots you do get two pages of its design However I'm always quite frugal with my pattern paper and I don't want to ruin a lovely design with no reason Now for this card I'm going for a spinner card We are going to end up having a tree spinning at the center of our card For that I laid on top of my card base the panel I cut out from the pattern paper then on top I'm securing the die I open up the card so that I don't cut out all the way through the back I'm going to run it through my die cutting machine and this is what I end up with So now I have a window or my actual card and a window on the pattern paper panel Now if you notice on the die set you get two dies for the same design I used the larger one to cut out those first windows Now I'm going to grab the smaller one and I will grab again the paper pad and look through for a lovely design For this card I want to avoid traditional colors so that's why I decided to use that pink pattern paper to cut out my trees You need two of those and I'm also going to pop out those lights to decorate my trees Now these lights are quite long so with just one of those cutouts so we can decorate both our trees I'm just using glue and I'm just going to lay it on top of my pink Christmas tree there and I will use my scissors to chop off the excess You can die cut ornaments if you like or even you can decorate them with sequins with gems, with pearls just do whatever you like on top of these Now here is how the mechanism works You need to have two identical shapes I do have the two trees here and they need to be symmetrical so when you stick them back to back they are going to lay on top of each other Then you need a piece of thread I did use some silver thread there and I'm applying some double sided tape along the tree at the back I'm going to peel that off and this is where I'm going to align the thread all the way from top to bottom Make sure that it's nicely centered You can see that it is already spinning of course we need to cover up the back and that's what we are going to do with the second tree For that I'm using glue all over the tree and I'm just going to lay one on top of the other By having that white glue helps me slide the two pieces until I'm happy with the alignment Now let's bring in the cart where we did cut out the window already Remember we did use the larger die so this fits nicely inside Align your spinner tree at the center of the window and I will secure it in place both at the top and at the bottom with some double sided tape You can use scotch tape for that Anything as long as those threads You can hold down Use your scissors to chop off the excess thread and then stick on top the top panel Now the basic spinner mechanism is ready You can leave it as it is Add sentiment underneath and you are good to go If you want however you can take it a step further and I'm going to show you what else I'm going to do for that So again I did grab the paper pad I know it has elements here You can feel of what I already have on top of my cart After all they all come from the same paper pad In any case whatever you choose to use as an embellishment for your cart make sure that you don't stick it in a way that blocks the spinning of your element Just make sure that you leave that window completely open And after playing along with some of the elements I decided to go with that Merry Christmas label Some of the gifts I usually pop out way more die cuts than I'm actually going to use so that I can audition them try and decide the final composition but I always stick a little envelope on the front flap of the paper pad so that they can add all those extra die cuts that I didn't use back in that envelope and keep them together with the rest of the paper pad And now the idea in a spinner cart is to spin it many many times before you put it inside an envelope then place it inside seal it and send it away when the recipient gets the cart and opens it the tree is going to start spinning the more you spin it before you place it inside the envelope the better the effect was going to be for the recipient So here are all the three cards that I made for today trying to move through different styles as well as different techniques Always focusing on the same die set to make the most out of it So these were the cards for today Down below in the description you will find links to everything I used Don't forget to like the video and leave a comment down below here on YouTube because this is part of a video hope and you may win prizes by Studio Light I hope that you had fun today that you got inspired and I'll see you all next time


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really excited to be here with Miles Kessler. So Miles and I are in a private WhatsApp group of other business owners at a particular level of experience and we have some really interesting and helpful discussions there.  And I think it's, I can't wait for this conversation. So Miles, just briefly, you know, you are the director of the integral Dojo, which is an online school for meditation, Aikido, et cetera. And yeah, so there's a lot for us to discuss. As well as the integral Dojo and TV. So there's a brick and mortar integral Dojo and there's an online integral. Right, right, right, okay, got it, yes, yes. And so what we're gonna talk about mainly today is meditation from a more unique perspective than maybe a lot of people, more unique, I think, than the mainstream. But is there anything else you wanna say about your background intro before we get going? No, I think that's good. I mean, if it comes up in the context, we can stick with it. Sure, sure, yeah, that sounds good. Okay, so- Let's dive right in. Let's dive right in, yeah, totally, totally. Meditation, obviously, mindfulness and meditation, huge topics and of interest probably to most of the people listening or watching here. And so just about everyone's, maybe learn meditation in the mainstream ways, basic ways, pay attention to your thoughts, your breath, et cetera. What do you bring to meditation that maybe it's a bit more unique than the mainstream question one or question two, whichever one you wanna address first is what is integral? Since you lead the integral integral Dojo, what is integral and how does that fit in with meditation? Okay, well, let's save that second question for later. Okay, okay. That's a very different question. Okay. So let's just, so maybe I will say a quick word about my background. I'm, you know, I'm, I've practiced in the Buddhist tradition, the Theravada Buddhist tradition of mindfulness based meditation, kind of hold lineage in that, in that the Burmese Mahasi tradition. I actually have two lineages, I have a lineage in the Wama tradition of Aikido, which I lived and trained in Japan for eight years. And then after that, I went on to study meditation. So I did this really kind of formal, traditional hardcore meditation practice in Burma, which is a very pre-modern context, very traditional context, loved it. I was kind of trained in doing that when I was in Japan and it was easy for me to make that, make that transition into Burma. And I guess what's unique about what I'm bringing is, sorry, my daughter's over here, she might hear a little bit of a background noise. Yeah, no, no, there's no noise, go for it. Okay, cool, cool. So what's unique, I suppose, is that I have this traditional context.  And yet I don't teach from that perspective, although I teach through that lens, I definitely teach what's called the Progressive Insight, this kind of developmental path that unfolds in the practice of meditation, but I do it in a very kind of post-modern way in a way that's kind of just meets people where they're at here in the West. And I guess I work with people in three ways. The first way I work with people is to help them just beginners or people who've been meditating for a while, but they never did a formal practice to help them get established in a formal practice with kind of a formal methodology, formal mindfulness meditation technique, that's number one. Number two, I help people progress along the developmental stages of insight knowledge, that there is a blueprint to consciousness that as we kind of take on spiritual technologies, we will kind of grow spiritual maturity, spiritual growth follows along this kind of developmental path. Doesn't really matter the tradition you're in. Different methodologies will unfold differently, but there is this kind of developmental path that people who kind of get a little bit more on the deep end of meditation, that's kind of really important for them to kind of know what's going on and where they're going and to know that there's a goal to the practice and that they're moving in that direction. That's really the most valuable, I would say, work that I do with people, but it's always a minority of people who are kind of doing that. And the third way that I work with people is how to integrate and bring meditative insight into daily life, into the world, into the context that they live in, to relationships, into the ups and downs and the stresses they face in life and shadow work and all that stuff. Awesome, I would love to kind of touch in on the second and third that you mentioned. I think, I don't know if I can assume this, everyone please feel free to comment below what one, two, three you can rewind and which of the three are you most interested in? I imagine a lot of people watching or at least some of them have already developed some kind of meditation practice or they've tried. At least, right, as myself included. And we're trying to figure out what now and also just as importantly as you said, how do we bring that into the world, into relationships, into our work, et cetera. Yeah, right, day to life, yeah.  And is that an application of meditation? Maybe, I don't know. So tell us about, so this is interesting, like there is a pathway. I mean, there's a blueprint for consciousness as you say and there's a developmental progression of meditation. I'm sure we could talk about this for years but if you could summarize what that blueprint or pathway looks like for you. Yeah, I actually can. Yeah, all the different spiritual traditions, the ones that have been around for thousands of years, Buddhists and Christianity. Actually, I should say all of the mystical dimensions of these spiritual traditions because sometimes the spiritual traditions are just about preserving the dogma and passing on the traditions. And there's always that mystical core which is what the real kind of deeper spiritual transformational practice is about. All of the traditions usually, they usually have some type of map of how their practice unfolds. Some of the maps are very general, simplistic in a way. Other maps are super granular, granular, you know, they really get down to the details. And the tradition that I come from, you know, the Mahasi tradition of Burmese, the Pasna meditation, they work with the Abhidharma which is Buddhist psychology and they use a map called the Visurimaga and the Visurimaga is the path of purification. And in that practice, as you move through states of consciousness, over time, you know, incrementally, gradually, you'll move through 16 stages of developmental insight knowledge. The eye of insight will gradually open as you learn to practice, establish, develop and grow your mindfulness meditation. You'll move through 16 stages of development of knowledge until you gain the path as kind of awakening experience. It's the end of the path, but it's not really the end because there's always, you know, there's always more practice. To go into that is really, it would be really kind of like getting into the weeds. So I think it's better to speak about, you know, the blueprint of consciousness, something very easy to understand. You know, if you think of the Samsara, the life that we live is a prison. These maps from the spiritual traditions, they're the escape plans for the prisons.  What we're doing is we're establishing mindfulness meditation or awareness or presence and the process unfolds in a way that follows pretty much all the maps. A much more easier map to understand is from the early Zen tradition. The five stages of, oh my God, I just forgot his name, I feel horrible. Tosan, five stages of Tosan. Chinese, one of the Chinese patriarchs. And he says that spiritual development, and this actually applies to kind of those three stages that I just spoke about earlier, the nuts three stages, the three things that I do with people. First is seeing the absolute in the relative. So we're in this kind of relative world, we're going around, we're learning how to manage and you know, and grow and kind of discover who we are. And we have some type of transcendent experience. You know, some type of unity consciousness or whatever. There's an awakening, maybe it's through another person or through an experience, it could be through an intense, difficult experience, it could be in meditation, it could be with drugs even. But something awakens and it's like, oh my God, there's a bigger reality here. But it's a fleeting experience, it happened and it's gone. But that's an important first step, that's the first stage and the five stages of Tosan. Second stage is we learn awakening, sorry, tasting the absolute in the relative. Okay, so we live in the relative world, we taste the absolute, we get a glimpse. Second stage is establishing the absolute in the relative. So that's the stage where we take on practices, we hang out with communities and maybe teachers or guides or different traditions. And we take on practices that help us where it just doesn't happen to us, but we learn how to access the deeper spiritual experiences by ourselves. And that could be a 10 year, it could be a lifetime project, but it is quite a process. So that's establishing the absolute in the relative.  And then when that, when this kind of establishment, this practice stage matures and reaches its peak, it's kind of like the top of the mountain, we're resting in the absolute. So we've created the ability to just rest in, you could call it absolute love, you could call it unity consciousness, you could call it emptiness, you could call it the state of perfection, whatever it is, but we're able to rest there, top of the mountain, far away from all that nonsense that's happening down at the bottom of the mountain, it's kind of liberation, it's free. But it's not the end of the path, it's just the third stage. The second stage, we have to come back down the mountain. So the fourth stage, after we're resting in the absolute, now it's seeing the relative in the absolute. How do we bring this relative existence? How do we, after the ecstasy of the laundry, how do we deal with the kids? How do we run a business? How do we have relationships? How do we, that's kind of the coming down of the mountain, that's kind of the returning to the marketplace part of the journey. And it's as arduous as the upward journey, the return journey is as tough and arduous as the, as the first part of the journey. And then the last stage is when relative and absolute are one. It's just all one. So this kind of, this is like a very kind of classical, you know, the five stages of Tozon is a classical definition of kind of how a person's spiritual practice matures. Seeing the absolute in the relative, establishing the absolute, taking on practices, resting in the absolute, then the fourth stage is seeing the relative and the absolute integration. And then that fifth stage is when it's full integration when absolute and relative are one. So. Amazing, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Really cool. And I love this very simple, you know, diagram. And yeah, and it's, and well, it's enlightening that, you know, I can imagine some people, they think that's it. I'm there, I'm done. And then they're not really applying it to their life. And that's where we see, yeah.  It's very common in all spiritual traditions to have a false awakening. You know, it's somewhere halfway up the mountain. But we don't have to get into the details of that. But that's actually kind of part and parcel of the process. That's why if you're working with a teacher, working with a tradition, they're going to actually kind of guide you through these potential pitfalls. But the resting at the top of the mountain, it is a noble thing to take off, become a monk or a nun, the rest of your life, live in a monastery, live in the woods, live in the forest, live in the mountains. It is a noble thing to do, not to return to the marketplace.  And one could argue that returning to the marketplace is really what humanity needs. We need, you know, the bodhisattva, we need that awakened mind back in the mix of things so we can all kind of grow forward together. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, because everyone around me is a householder, that's the experience I have. Yeah, me too, totally. Every spiritual teacher that I know is a householder and every spiritual, even monks or whatever, whatever they want to call themselves, they have a business or they have a, they're in the world, they interact with them. But yeah, I agree.  And yet, yeah, everyone here listening, watching, we want to be enlightened householders or we want to be, at least really more of the conscious, you know, the more awakened perspective into our day-to-day. So talk about that a little bit here. I mean, you have your own experience of running a business or running a dojo, you know, leadership and dealing with so many people. I mean, this is a broad question, but how do you bring that on a day-to-day, moment-to-moment basis in terms of your own spiritual awareness into the day-to-day? Like how do you do it?  I was living in Japan. I was teaching English about 15 hours a week, wasn't much. I lived in the countryside and I was training Aikido full-time, hardcore. Wow. What area was you in, by the way? Ibaraki Prefecture, it's north of Tokyo, couple of hours away from Tokyo countryside. And there was no internet back then. I had a shortwave rate. After two years, I had a shortwave radio, no television, just living the life and training full-time, reading a lot. But I was kind of like a hermit or a monk. And then I spent eight years kind of dedicated to the Aikido path, sorry, to the meditation path to support that because there were planes and there were donations to give after those long retreats. I traveled around and taught Aikido, but I was still very much, so I was in society, but I was still very much this kind of guy that no obligations in society for 16 years out of the world. And because of that, the practices I did went extremely deep. I developed, that's my career, is based on that's kind of my doctorate or my degree, but it was so clear for me that the real work that I needed to do was to come back to society to return to the marketplace. And that's when I began my integration work. So unlike the average person, they're doing meditation and kind of doing the best they can. And then immediately having the application of it to their life with the kids, with the work, with whatever driving and traffic, like really, like it's a long, slow process, but the integration is happening from the beginning. In my case, the integration happened much later and it was a tough all coming back and dealing with business, dealing with students, dealing with relationships, dealing with financial stuff, dealing with all of the stuff that it means to kind of be a household or a business operator. That was quite a process for me. And it meant that I actually had to go back and I had to kind of clear up a lot of my issues around power, around money, around sexuality and relationships and a lot of therapeutic work actually was done in there and coaching and so that process, it became clear that that was just, even though it's so easy to bypass that and say, no, no, let's just go to Nirvana. Let's just go to heaven. It was so clear that, no, I will not be complete. I will not be an integrated human being. I will not be healed until I actually take on this, this kind of, this work that is far from being spiritual, but it actually became the most spiritual thing I could do was to change the diapers, to clean up the mess, to take responsibility. So I'm not sure if that answered your question, but yeah. Well, no, it's really interesting. I mean, so the development you had as basically a monk for all those years, right? Kind of, yeah. Yeah, it's like, in a way, it made it tough to operate in society because of just the day-to-day logistics and the day-to-day relationships. I wasn't dealing with, I wasn't dealing with, I wasn't operating in society. Yeah, and so, well, maybe tell us a bit about like what is your practice now? Having done so much of it, do you have a morning, evening routine? Do you meditate in the middle of the day? Like what do you prefer? Well, that's actually a great question. So my practice is much more spontaneous. I, you know, when you're, it's so important to take on routines, as you know. It doesn't matter if it's meditation or business or, you know, whatever. Install some good habits and take on the routines and stick to those as much as possible. Don't blame yourself. It makes perfectly no sense to judge yourself if you're not, if you miss a day of meditation or if you miss a week of meditation or if you miss a month, you miss a year.  That's all that matters. Now, what will happen after a long-term practice is that those practices start to become internalized. And at a certain point of internalization, you don't need the external discipline anymore. The discipline for me, if we talk about miles, is actually like in the middle of, you know, doing the monthly accounting when I'm dealing with all that stress. The discipline for me is like, okay, how can I make this part of my mindful routine? Number one, number two, how can I get better at dealing with this stuff? You know, skillful, like masterful. Because I developed this mastery in Aikido. I developed this mastery in meditation, more or less. I want to have mastery in all domains of life. So I would say that my, like Miles Kester, my main practice right now is number one, developing mastery in my professional life. And number two, continue to evolve my teaching, the way that I teach, the way that I work with people. You know, every time I sit and work with another person, it's like, okay, we're working on their development, but it's actually, I'm developing myself as a teacher, as a transmitter, as a communicator, as a listener, as an intuitive, all of these things are happening. And not only that, I'm also developing my ideas, developing what is my unique offering? What is my authentic expression of these traditions that I've been deeply steeped in? Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, wonderful. And I want to ask, and then we'll start to wrap up, but I want to ask you about that second question I raised earlier, the integral, that word integral, integral dojo, I personally am, I'm fascinated, I'm a fascinated beginner with integral. I've like dabbled in it over the years, and, but I want to hear from you, like what does integral mean for you? Why is it important for you? Well, first of all, what if you could describe it in your own words, and then why is it important for you, or how does it fit into your world? Okay, I'll try to keep this short because it's very, very in-depth. Yes, yes. Elastic theory, you know, when I was a kid, I loved maps, you know, I would read the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings and I'd go back and look at the maps so many. So maps and geography was my favorite class in school, and the maps, I just love maps. Sometimes there's a map on, so we were talking about maps and meditation, and basically integral is a map of the cosmos, as a human being, how we show up and how we can show up. And it turns out that the map is not so, there's kind of five basic frames that cover everything in the cosmos as a human being. And the first is, these stages, levels, lines, types. First is states, like that there's meditative states, what we've been talking about, that we move through different deeper states of meditation. That would be our spiritual maturity. The second is stages, that there are developmental stages of consciousness that we can actually see take more and more perspectives and as we mature, and this has, as we mature it gets more spiritual, but it's not really a spiritual tradition because as we mature, we're able to have more caring, each level of perspective, we're able to have more care and concern for the world. So we go from egocentric, just myself, ethnocentric to my people, world-centric to like, I include all the people, all the colors of the rainbow, like I can bring them into my embrace and listen and connect and have an emotional agility and relating and then all of, cosmo-centric. So that's kind of would be stages and there's developmental practices that help that. States, stages, levels, no states, huh? Ah, quadrants, stage, quadrants, levels, lines, states, types, sorry. Okay, so there's four quadrants. Again, I don't want to get too in the weeds here, but there's also types. Let's just say I'll wrap it up with personality types, that there's types of people and that if we really want to learn how to relate in human relations, we need to be skillful in relating to different types of people and also understanding our own type. Now, why is this important is because when my whole, basically my whole life, even since I was a kid, has been all around one practice tradition or another, sports, martial arts, Buddhism, practice tradition. And when I work with people, I'm actually working from a practice context. And there are three, if you want to have a, and this is, we'll wrap it up from here, that if you want to have a balanced integrated development, there's three basic practices that you need to work on. Three basic domains that are covered in integral theory. The first one is states, that you want to have some type of spiritual technology that kind of helps you go from an ego existence towards more of a spiritual understanding. The second one is stages, these developmental stages that I was talking about, you need practices that helps you take more and more perspectives, that you can put yourself with cognitive empathy and another person's shoes really relate, get them from their inside. And then the third one is shadow work. States, stages and shadow that we just need our own kind of therapeutic processes for the parts of ourself that are disowned, wounded, disassociated, traumatized, whatever. We need to kind of bring those back in and integrate our own interiors. And if you're working on, if you have practices in the States, if you have practices in stages and if you have practices in shadow, then your personal development will be an integral, will be an integral development. Amazing, thank you. I know that was a whole PhD, right? Like that, you know. Yeah, maybe bit off too much there. No, no. And maybe it's important to say, if you don't bring in States, stages and shadow, if you're just focusing on one, your development will be very good in that one, but you're gonna be imbalanced. Right. So, you know, there's a lot of spiritual teachers getting in trouble because of their shadow. Yes, yes. Or your issues with money, for example. So all that stuff needs to be integrated. Money, money, sex, et cetera, yeah. So, that's amazing. I mean, that's why people can learn so much from you. You have something called the Meditation Discovery Cycle. It's like a 30 day. Well, tell us about that and I'll put the link to that below. Yeah, the Meditation Discovery Cycle is my meditation membership program. I have a community and it's actually been closed for the past year. So we have a pretty, pretty intimate group committed in meditators. We meet, you know, I get online with them twice a month. I also do it once a month, I do a Q and A, but then I send out daily practice videos, not daily, excuse me, weekly practice videos. So it's for people who actually want to, want to kind of integrate a meditation practice into their daily life. And it's called the Discovery Cycle because we take these different teachings and we move through them month by month. There's another theme. In fact, right now we're in the middle of the 10 spiritual perfection. So there's different qualities that get developed as your meditation matures. And we're taking a theme per month. This month we're on resolution. The last month was, I forget the last month, generosity. And so we're working through these different. And I'm actually opening just by coincidence that we're doing this meeting. I'm actually opening it up for the first time in a year. And I'm giving people a 30 day free access if they want to come in and try meditation. They can come and join and meet the community, meet me, get the practices and see if this is for you. Yeah. And it includes some time from Q and A time with you as part of that, right? Yeah. Well there's, we do two, every two weeks we meet online for like a meditation session where I give a little bit of a teaching. We sit together and then we do some a few questions. But then also once a month there's a Q and A session where we get and I just take everybody's questions and we stay, you know, it's usually about an hour but I stay online until all the questions. There's also a group of meditators that meet daily online and meditate together. So any of your audience who might be interested in joining us, you are most welcome to come in. Yeah. Awesome. 38 access to try it out. The link is below. If you enjoyed this conversation, I think you'll enjoy that program as well. Miles, thank you so much for the work you do and how you do it. Thank you. Yeah, likewise, George. I actually, I really enjoy your work as well and your content and you're helping me more than you know. No, thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.