Welcome to church of the chair where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host E and today I'm talking to mr. Doyle of a great Undertaking how you doing tonight mr. Doyle. Hey, I'm doing well. E. Thanks for having me on your channel This is really cool Definitely the main point of this video is I want to bring as many of my people To your channel as humanly possible. I'm a massive fan of your content I've been binging your videos ever since Brad Perkins, you know, put me on to you and I got to say mad respect for The for the production quality first off second off, you know taking the time to write the scripts Because I don't even write scripts. I do I just I wing it And then I'll go back and I'll edit the video well nowadays back in the day. I used to just ramble Right off the bat. I want to ask you Why did you pick? King what what what does King mean to you? Why was that the author that? That you had to latch on to for this one. All right. Well so Initially it was because I I had found an old copy of the shining in my parents basement and My wife was doing a a test one day and I had to stay out in the car for about and I so this is you know well over a decade ago now and I opened up that book and I was so enthralled by it And it was kind of what brought me back to like being an active reader. You know, that was something I had done pretty Regularly throughout my life and then sometime in my mid-20s. I just kind of You know, I got really into making music I wanted to be in a band and like every free moment. I had I was playing guitar and so picking up that book really rekindled that need to read and Before I knew it. I was just reading every book in the bibliography in chronological order Because I couldn't stop. It was like a voracious. I have to do this kind of thing And so within a year I had bought all of the books and then had them in order on my shelf of you know Reading order, of course at yes, I know I'm not alone in this. I know the compulsion my friend But you know, essentially It was when I it came time to make the channel. It was you know, COVID shutdown had happened I was not working for the first time since I was like 14 years old child labor And It was one of those things where believe it or not until 2020 I hadn't really ever spent any time Watching YouTube and then yeah, I was always a music guy and then I got into books and It took me a long time to even get a smartphone You know when all of my friends had one I still didn't and so eventually, you know I would get into social media and then it took me a while longer to get into streaming music Which you know still maybe not the greatest thing to do, but yeah But we all do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're all guilty So you have something in common with King because he refused for the longest time to to buy a cell phone There's the there's the infamous Biography at the end or in the the dust jacket of sell that says he lives in Maine with his wife writer Tabitha King and he does not own a cell phone. Yes, and now he's on Twitter constantly Hilarious hilarious, but anyways can continue. No, it's fine. Yeah, King is somewhat terminally online these days But I do enjoy that, you know, he is always giving someone a good rousing I've always enjoyed the fact that he just kind of is like this is what I feel about a thing And I know it's gonna be controversial and people are gonna be mad at me I'm gonna say it anyway, and I respect that about the man But yeah in terms of the YouTube channel, I was like, okay, everything's shut down What am I doing with myself? How can I keep busy? I'll start a YouTube channel. What do I know a lot about? Stephen King was pretty much the only thing Well, there's I can play guitar, but I'm not really that great at it.  I'm not smart enough to fix them by myself, you know, so No music that's right It just narrowed itself down really quickly and you know, there's lots of information if you don't know a thing You can just go and find the information So yeah Stephen King kind of happened by default because it was the thing It was that one obsession I'd had for a long time and I was like, all right I probably have something to say about all of these things Now to build off of that Are you Do you reread these books or are you reading them?  No, no, that's that absolutely. I I do I reread every single one before I make the video Because I have found that at the rate that I was reading them initially I Didn't retain a lot or you know, there's so many just a little hair floating through the air So if you see me go like this Thank you Yeah, so oh geez, what was I saying? I'm sorry I digress I Do the same thing so I apologize No, I shouldn't have tried to grab I shouldn't have tried to grab the hair Everything would have been fine if I hadn't squirreled out on that hair floating through the air. That's it shows over get out of here but It was we were talking about the I believe we were talking about the shooting Each video and rereading each one Before every single video. Yes. Anyway, so if you if you recall what you want to say from there. I do I do. Thank you Yes, so I I do Technically, I'm not rereading anymore. I'm I'm audio booking these days because I have found I Either don't have time to sit down and read a book for any length of time Or I will like pass out within five minutes of sitting down and trying to read a book guys It's I'm 41 now. So like my body is just like As soon as I get comfortable especially if it's like after dinner on a you know, nice quiet evening But yeah, I found audio books to be very helpful I take a lot of notes as I'm listening little phrases that catch my attention But you know, this time around I'm listening with a more Like I'm looking for something below the surface that I can latch on to and make a video about And that's mainly just because I you know, I found that I when I started I was doing more of a Let's talk about each character in the book. Let's talk about the plot kind of you know, standard booktuber stuff but that kind of got boring for me after a little while and it was like The weirder stuff like what if Kerry was actually a supervillain and that was her origin story and she grew into this nightmare Phoenix creature and you know, just to theorize about that sort of stuff was way more fun than just Recapping and revisiting what the book was about. So yeah, I just found myself wanting to say alright What is in here that I can pull out that maybe nobody else has really talked about yet Well, you do you do an absolutely Fantastic job. Thank you. I was we were talking we've been talking For those of you in chat and we will get to questions here in a little bit Brad I want to get some other stuff out but This is one of the things that I'm most impressed with and we were talking beforehand I just want to reiterate this looking the very first video. I watched of yours was it and I was taken aback by having read it 18 times up until this point and having never caught the theme of childhood trauma That that blows my mind that you know that that completely escaped me But there's something else that you said in the video and I don't want to get you know political but you you you made an allegory for Extremist mindsets and the resurfacing or the surfacing of those mindsets being akin to pennywise You know his hibernation cycle and everything and how you know, he comes out back into the world I thought that was absolutely brilliant. I really don't have a question about that.  It's to make so much more sense In fact, you you're the one I mentioned in another video that I was gonna go back and read it for the 19th time And you're one of the reasons why I want to go back and read it for the 19th time because I am once again going to Hopefully find something new when I read it Which brings me to the I love circular narratives, which brings me to the next question Which is your favorite Stephen King book. Do you have one and if so? Why god this question always stresses me out because He always feel like You're gonna say an answer and immediately be like but no actually it's it's it's this one so I have kind of a I have my knee jerk response and then I have kind of The the one that if I think about it a little longer I'll go, okay. No, maybe it's that one and then I also have the well if it weren't for that one Then I wouldn't have read any of these Tell me all of them. I don't I gotta give you all three. I gotta give you all three. Give me give me They want to hear to go. All right.  I can't fully understand myself under the dome I know it's kind of an unusual pick but it was and it's something I've talked about in some of my recent videos as King's ability to create the microcosm and With that particular cast of characters You know, he creates this There's a social message going on there And a lot more than just that and for whatever reason the Rennies big Jim and his son were like Captivating characters for me Rennie senior in that he had that, you know politician Angle to him and that veneer of who he Pretended to be versus who he really was and then junior who was just kind of an unbridled Maniac from the start like the first scene. He is in before he even knows the dome has come down And so yeah, I don't know So that's the knee jerk response the one where I think about it more deeply is Kujo And for that one it was this and I talked about it in my video for Kujo There's a this intimate relationship You come to develop with these characters who are also very desperate in their own special ways to escape a Loveless abusive marriage, you know to just get out of that small town. There's this I Can't even remember the name of it now It was a phobia of being trapped and everybody in that book has this Way that they are trapped in their own unique way even even Kujo. Yeah, yes exactly He was a good boy. That was a good dog. No, it was not his fault justice for Kujo That has I Would say to like from what I've read like my re-reads for the channel from Carrie all the way up until needful things The ending to Kujo is easily the most devastating gut-wrenching ending to any of those books for me personally and then the the third pick is the shining and you know There's lots of obvious reasons for that and honestly I wish I could go back and and remake and I might still Remake my videos for some of those earlier King publications. Hey, I'm doing it now. I don't blame you right the redux series I've been watching them. Yeah, you know, you appreciate it. It's really funny I realized today that I am subscribed to you on a different YouTube account I've been watching you from my band account this whole time.  She never watched any of my videos But anyway, I've done the same thing on Twitter on Here is like I could have swore I would subscribe to you and like I told you at the beginning I have many different names. So yeah, it happens. I understand. Anyways, can you we're talking about? Yeah, so the shining for me It's the one that like I said earlier rekindled that desire to read and was like my first time of really being like fully absorbed in a book in my adulthood to the point where I was like I Am super into this whereas, you know for the previous decade All I wanted to do was party and play rock and roll music and be a degenerate So in all honesty like it turned me into a bit of a bookworm, which you know, I think made me a better dad too You know, I didn't have the desire to go out and to be a wild man anymore I wanted to stay home and quietly read books and spend time with my family So So those are the three under the dome cujo and the shining because I just cannot seem to narrow it down to one Okay That all all valid. I have my I have my own opinions of those books and some of them are not good But we're not gonna talk about that. I'm gonna let's uh, let's do a separate stream for each one of those books and talk about those Specifically, yeah, let's let's do that and then I can I can mention my own favorites And then we can just go back and forth on these. Yeah So I want to touch on something you are a father you said up to and I know from the beginning of the video Well, not beginning of the video. Like I said, we've been talking for 30 minutes before we even went live So you have a younger kid and you have an older kid Well, of course, but you know that they got some years, but do either one of them what I'm getting at is do either one of them read King yet That's a negative. Um, I I think my daughter, um, will eventually get there. She's too young I think to to and I found out the hard way that if you try to Offer it to them and say hey check this out. It's really cool. You're gonna love it. They're gonna go Nah, absolutely, right? Yeah, so I tried doing that with musical instruments earlier on and uh, you know The guitar and the drums have just collected dust since then that I got for my son for his birthday So I've just I left it alone. Um, you know, they come down here into my Secret top secret man layer in the basement on occasion and and we'll look at my books and I can see there's some curiosity there But I'm hoping that my daughter will be interested in cycle of the werewolf eventually here because she she's just getting into anime and Oh my gosh, I am gonna completely make a fool of myself I can't even think of the style of of the graphic novels that she's into now. They're Manga Yes, thank you At first I thought you said it I guess it was my own brain filling in the blanks because I heard anime and instantly thought manga So I didn't want to uh, you know repeat what you had already said But anyways, that's how my brain works. No, that's great. No, you did not in fact hear me say it You heard me trying really hard to think it. I've read your mind got some not carry who who would be whatever anyways but uh So with with my kids, uh, I I found the same thing out very early also Um, and it was with once again We have a lot in common by the way and if you didn't catch my reaction to you saying you're 41 years old I'm 42 so we're about the same age also um with My oldest I uh, I gave them a guitar and it was like do what you want with it You know, um, I I'd like to play with you some time if you get into it Nothing happened. Uh years went by almost a decade and now they play all the time but uh I just happened to we were Riding down the road one day and this is when they were the oldest one was uh, I think uh 15 or 16 And they just happened to say by the way, I listened to carry I'm like you did Like they know of course. I mean, I'm a fanboy at home. Just like I'm a fanboy on the channel, right? So, uh, I was like, oh you did and then we started talking more and we even did two episodes of a podcast where uh, we it was uh, dan and dan and e uh Anyways, but uh, we did the we did carry and then we did one that was a combined the shining and uh, dr. sleep to say that I was proud would be the understatement of the century to to get to Know that they had caught all the themes and they had their own opinions And even that they they were cool to disagree with me about certain things was just absolutely fantastic for me Um, and most recently we were on a our way to georgia, which is about three hour Drive and I needed to finish fairytale for the channel. Um, because people were chomping at the bit to to get it done And uh, my youngest, uh, my son he he goes, what is this? I was listening to the audiobook in the car. Um, And I thought he was asleep, but he goes, what is this? It sounds really cool. And I don't know if you've gotten to fairytale yet I'm trying you have okay good. Um, but Not I'm still trying not to spoil anything But we got to a big action sequence in the in in empress in the uh, the very first big action sequence um with the Uh, the blue guys, I guess is the best way to put it and uh, that's when he started paying attention so he went back and uh He started listening to it on script Um by by himself after I gave him the approval after listening to the entire thing Um that you know, he could watch it and he was uh, he was 10 at the time and now he's asking me You know, what what else can can I read? Unfortunately at this point in time, I'm like uh eyes of the dragon And fairytale That's about all we got right now.  I have I have the same opinion you do. Um, and the What I what I want to ask you and what do you think other than that scene in it? I because I don't I don't even like talking about that one. Um, what is the worst? Worst one you can think of because for me It's Salem's lot. Um the the susan And was it ben ben mirrors or is that the kid? I can't I can't remember right up top of my head, but um, that was What is he does they say something like love me and he loved her, you know It's so weird and awkward, but I I want to Even if it is weird and awkward. I want to know what what you think is probably the most heinous offense he has committed other than that scene. Okay, so outside of that scene Um, I I have a particular beef with the sex scene from the mist um so And I've talked about this and I did an entire video about how the dude in the mist is a horny weirdo He's trapped in the grocery store.  I'm so sorry, mr.   So youtube might have suppressed it. I don't know But also I bump into this a lot where people don't like the wastelands So it's not something that they're actively looking for. That's true.  I I know Druals all over the drawing of the three. Um, and of course, I mean you have the epic, uh, saint What about balthas are whatever it is the epics the epic gunfight? Um in the oh, yeah with the gangsters exactly and you have Everything everything with ditto ditto susanna. That's so confusing every time but anyways, um, but you know you With the wastelands.  I mean come on, man It's it's amazing.  I love blame and ever since I was a kid I've been listening to people complain about blame the monorail blame the pain And I I I love that thing It's and even though it was a cliffhanger. We had to wait We literally had to wait years for for the next one only to get I'm not a fan of wizard and glass I'm going to say this now. Um, but only to get wizard and glass up next And the journey not move forward and then how long it was between wizard and glass and wolves of the kala Anyways, but you see now I didn't experience that in real time Because all those books had already come out by the time I was uh, a king simp all of a sudden so but I Real though like going from The wastelands to wizard and glass And all of a sudden like realizing. Oh, we're not Resolving this in this book. Uh, I don't know if you were a big fan of the walking dead when they initially came out Yes, they would do They would do some stuff like that on occasion where they'd be like cliffhanger new episode next week. Here we go Oh, we're just going to do up the backstory of that one guy. Yep Unfortunately, and I didn't like that either. Um, I I hated that A breaking bad did that once or twice too and that aggravated the the piss enemy. Um, but with uh, with with king it I think I think it's easier Especially from a reader or viewer standpoint It's easier to get away with that with a television show Then it is for a book Especially when you don't plan on writing the next book right after it and that that's I think that's where you know, some of the The vitriol comes from when when people think about that space and time um, but With me the way I look at that series is you have uh, the gunslinger is The prologue it's just a 300 page prologue. That's all it is Um, any other author who had done that it would have been the first 20 30 pages of you know, the drawing of the three Yeah, um, even it would probably would have started with the battle of toll And then jumped right in the drawing of the three literally any other author.   Yeah, I I no longer felt like Uh, this this was, you know, not a nameless or faceless stranger, but the stranger was now Too human for me. I know that sounds bad, but it it was he was like a superhero up until that point And then we find out that the only thing The the only the only reason he's like this is because his girl got Killed or burned at the stake if I remember. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah. No, it's it's a hundred percent that um, but uh It and and then and then he ends the book Spoilers by the way guys if you didn't know We're human spoilers spoilers. Here we go. If you're a fan of the channel, you know, I do spoilers.  Well in an accident, you know all about the accident. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I've watched your videos. I'm a fan if I haven't already said that You have thank you. Um, yeah uh And I I think that's that's one of the the things that really bothers me about wizarding glass is that Not only do we have to wait so long, but it didn't go anywhere It ruined the character It didn't ruin I was back on board for wolves at the collar because that's what I wanted I wanted to see them adventuring and doing shit. Um, instead of, you know, losing Eddie Susanna and jake and oi To go back to this place that I could reel the coups.  Yeah, there are plenty of people who do don't get me wrong I get it. I get it. But that's but that's my beef. Is it a good book? Probably Um, steven king in my opinion has only really written two bad Books that I feel he should apologize publicly for oh man. I want to I want to know but let's save it for another kind of Yeah, everybody in chat knows what they are. But anyways, um, so so yeah, what what is what is your opinion? of the dark tower series and What's your favorite book in in that one if you can name one? Yeah, sure. Um, so As far as the dark tower goes, um, I have listened to it in its entirety twice or read it Read it once in its entirety listen to it once in its entirety And then when I tried to go back and this is during covet as well because I was like Well, never a better time to listen to the dark tower series I got to wolves of the kala and I just I tapped out it was like right at the end of wizard and glass I was like I need I got to take a break. I got to take a break from this so I have always Been a horror thriller fan, but I've never been a fantasy fan So like getting through wizard and glass was genuinely a struggle for me And it is every time Um, so by the time I get to wolves of the kala, I'm like, uh, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I just Maybe I'm just gonna go read it again or christine. I'm a huge christine fan. I love that freaking book But uh, good story.  Okay. Okay. Um, they're relatively new And like I said, we'll we'll save it. But every play is also everybody in chat knows Unless some of your fans are here that have never heard of me Every everybody knows uh on on my channel because I I'm always complaining about them Kind of so curious, but I also want to save it. Yeah, we'll we'll save it. I'm gonna respect your I'm gonna respect your wishes Did I'm sorry. Did you say a favorite in the in the dark tower yet? I I don't believe I did. Um At one point it was wolves of the kala But I I don't know it might be the wastelands because it is just unadulterated batshit crazy every genre under the sun exactly And you know what that for me works a whole lot more than straight up fantasy realm kind of shit So, yeah, I guess probably the wastelands, but I will say this I don't I have I have decided to refrain from forming full opinions on the things I haven't covered for the channel yet Yeah, so anything anything after needful things I don't feel like I have put in enough thought and effort into fully understanding what my feelings about it are So, yeah, yeah, fair enough. Um, also once again, I am this is getting it's not getting creepier But I'm not a fantasy fan either.  I will watch the movies. Um, I will Well, yeah, I'll sci-fi and fantasy. I don't Care to read. Uh, there's only two fantasy series I've even went back and tried to read Lord of the Rings that I loved from my childhood I couldn't get past the opening of the two towers.  We talked about this a little bit beforehand um with apocalyptic uh post apocalyptic fiction And why I don't read it, but uh with fantasy there's only two series, uh two fantasy Well, they're both series, but anyways, that's kin liu's the dandelion dynasty It's a retelling of chinese mythology and history Mashed all together. It's amazing amazing. It's nothing like anything else.  I've tried I've tried all of them. Um, and then we have marlin james I think it's called the dark star trilogy. There's only two books out so far, but it's a black leopard red wolf and moon witch spider king uh both fantastic, uh Amazing series, so I'm just going to throw that out there as a recommendation Since you don't like fantasy if you ever want to try those two and we can talk about it more later Or whatever. Um, if you don't email you those again, but um, anyhoo, so We're on the same page with the dark tower um with Both of us enjoy Uh the wastelands the most I do have one question and I know you don't want to form an opinion But it's literally almost a yes or no Were you happy with how and I'm going to tell you how I feel beforehand so you don't feel You know that you're put on the spot Do you feel like the ending was a good ending? And I say it is because the entire time he has set us up for that all the way since the gunslinger Um since the the end of the very first book. He told us that that's how it was going to go Does that upset you yesterday? Did you like it? Do you have any opinions you do want to share about? I was I was not like offended or upset about the ending in all honesty for me.  Yeah, but but like how Anyway, I I did enjoy the ending. I thought you know what? There are worse ways he could have wrapped this sucker up after all this time And the other question, you know that I'd have for those people that didn't like it What what would your idea have been right? What would you have done? That's that's how I feel on it. Also, that's that's my question is like, how would you have wrapped up this series of seven? eight if you want to If you want to include uh when I love went through the keyhole don't get me wrong I like that one, you know, there's there's eight books in the story and then when you have little sisters of alluria so you can say 8.5 or whatever, but um, but yeah, how how else Like I said, he in in use it. He was setting us up the entire time and as a constant reader We should know The ending it's about what is it? It's about the journey not the destination. So and for people to dismiss 8.5. I'm just gonna go into 8.5 books or 8.25 books. Um to them to dismiss all of it I mean, we're not talking about the ending of the game of thrones tv show We're talking about, you know, the these the tones this this complete and finished story, you know, right? and that it at The best possible example of him proving that the journey Can be better than the destination is that series in in my opinion That's that's true. Yeah, I mean we we get the crimson king at the end It may not be what everybody wanted It may not be the battle that everybody thought was coming the only thing that he didn't follow through with that bothered me was the what the battle for eld or the The that epic battle that I think they did it in the graphics in the graphic novel um, but the uh The one that you constantly hear about over and over over again The the death of elaine and all that stuff. We've heard so much about it I am shocked that he did not put that in that's literally my only disappointment other than Wizarding glass. I don't like song of susanna either, but it at least fits Up down here, right, right where where it's not a speed bump Um, and we only had to wait six months for it after wolves and then another six for it to end That was fantastic. But but uh, I I'm I'm on the firm belief that the That song of susanna should have been at the end of wolves or at the beginning of the dark tower Um, it should have been part of that instead of that so so awkward the opening is awkward The ending is awkward the middle is awkward because as much as I love steven king The the meta fiction is a little much for me In that one, um, yeah, so really Yeah, okay. I was just about to ask you what you what you felt about him placing himself in the story Um, yeah, if you I I mean, I'll be honest with you the first time I read it. I remember just being like Whoa, this is crazy But I was also smoking a lot of weed at the time So, you know, that might have had an effect. But you have even more in common, but I'm gummies, but uh, yeah, I can't I can't handle the the smoky smoke But yeah, I had to I had to give it up completely because I was like losing my mind every time My heart would pound out of my chest and I'd get paranoid and freaked out I've ruined so many date nights now that I just gave it up completely like, all right, honey, the kids are gone Let's get crazy.   I'm from I live. I'm not from Alabama. I'm from california, but yeah I'm ended up here in Alabama. And of course, we don't even have medical yet It's been voted into practice and even when it does come sometime in the next year or two It's only going to be one flavor gummy No flour nothing else and you're Do you do you mind saying do you mind me saying where you're located? Okay, so you're in new york I don't know if it's city or if it's the surrounding area Of course when you say new york everybody's first thought is new york city. Is it city? Upstate Upstate. Okay. My mom's from upstate new york. Um, gotcha. Uh, but anyways, I digress um But yeah, uh, so all we have around here is the delta eight delta 10 thco thc I say all we have we have hhc. We have all these We have everything because of the farm bill because it comes derived from hemp, which they throw legally here We have all this wonderful shit, but the delta eight Especially gives me panic attacks like no one's business Um, and I'll just be sitting there and it's like this is it.  Sorry. Jericho hill brad that that's the battle of Jericho hill That's what it is. Thank you brad.  That's it's it's wild That was that was my major issue is I would be sitting there like oh man. I think i'm freaking out I feel weird. I feel kind of sick.  You know Forgetting forgetting to breathe is is a big one. It is and I was like, how do you forget to breathe? It's a bodily function Right. I shouldn't have to remind myself to do that But yeah, that's that was when I was like, all right, you know what? I'm good Yeah, the sad part is a dispensary is about to open up right up the street from my job and i'm just like I mean, I know I know what's gonna happen.  Um, like I was telling you uh before we went live I've had but you know the five back surgeries and yeah, yeah, I don't I don't care for um I have also have a history of heroin addiction.  So I've come a long way.   Um, so that's that's my love story. Um, Before we go to comments and I got other things I want to I want to talk about But I want to one more thing and it's one of the questions that I sent you earlier Who are some of your favorite authors that aren't steven king? You've already said that you like thrillers and uh, and horror is your main consumption So who do you like in those genres? All right? I've I've been excited about this one But also dreading it because I'm going to talk about what might be my absolute favorite book of all time and it's a post apocalyptic horror Hit me with it. Okay. So, uh, we'll we'll end with that, but um, Nick cutter is a big one.  Yeah, I've read I've read all of his stuff except for little heaven So I've read all of them as well. Um, really enjoyed Nick cutter stuff and then there's a clay mccloud Chapman Um, yes familiar. Yeah, he wrote the remaking whisper down the lane and most recently ghosty Eaters, uh, he's also worked on a ton of, uh, Marvel comics Uh, he writes for them as well. He actually worked on that wendlin wild show on that I was gonna bring that up. Yeah, the uh, jordan peel one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah And uh, I actually had a the good fortune of meeting Uh clay in person, uh years ago before his career really took off. He was doing this, uh The show called the pumpkin pie show where he would like come and read gut like spooky stories and stuff like that It was a good time. Um, and then of course, uh, the last one is robert mccammon And his novel swan song will always kind of be one of my all-time favorites if if not my favorite, I have a Hard time committing to that as I you know, obviously feels like a betrayal of king I was gonna I was that I was gonna be the next question is uh, the standard swan song I'm guessing You don't know I see I see the I see the uncomfort just flowing from your yeah the cringe I I I really love swan song. I'm not gonna lie It might it might be the one I prefer but I I I don't know I tell you what I'll have to someday make a video about swan song because I need to really dig into it Before I can say with any certainty But even so like my video about the stand was before I was like really like deep diving into my Conscious to try to pull out the deeper meaning and like all my earlier videos I'm doing the whole like here's what the story was about. Here's the characters. This was cool I didn't like this so much final thoughts You know and so now I've been thinking about just going back and digging a little further in But the other robert mccammon book that I particularly enjoyed was they thirst Which was you know, his vampire book his salams lot. Yeah The tornadoes were a bit much for me, but it's it's a good it's a good book I I enjoyed it.   I still think to this day Had king uh mccammon was a better fit than straw. I love straw. Don't get me wrong.  I love I love mccammon. Um, the only thing I don't like about swan song is the opening line I think it's one of the worst ever. It's just kind of It's it does not drag me in in fact. I did a video Ages ages ago about top five. I was talking about top five fighting. I made a list of everything Top five worst openings To a book I also did best openings, but uh, that one was number two So but other than that, I think I I admittedly can't remember what the opening line is It's it's very it it's hard to read out loud and I'm an author and how I edit Uh is I read my stuff out loud to make sure that it flows because if I'm gonna stumble on it Someone who doesn't know the story is definitely gonna stumble on it And it is one of the most awkward sentences to to say out loud at least for me. Um, and it's something like We had a love affair with fire The president thought as he sat there and lighting his cigar with a match and tossing the match It is almost a run on but there is a comment there Like he threw he threw a life preserver out there just that one comment But other than that the book the book's fine. Um, but I I do I do have a question for you and I I don't do you have a favorite opening or ending line? And the reason why I'm literally like I want to know how similar we actually are do you have a Perfect king opening line or a perfect ending line that you read and it just it's stuck with you forever Oh, man, you know, it's so cliche to just think of the gunslinger. Yeah You know, but that that is the first one that comes to mind uh, but I think predominantly because I'm having a hard time thinking of any others right now. That's fine. That's fine. Mine mine personally My favorite. I think it's the best because of the themes and because of what the book is about and everything I think the best closing line ever written and this is period Is the very last line of pet cemetery Darling it said It tells you everything you need to know In that one little bit you have the term of endearment at the things all the books all about love and loss and family and all that It tells you that and then it tells you it said It tells you that the person saying that is no longer the person they were I think it is absolutely perfect. Um, and as far as opening lines I don't even have one like I could the only thing that I could probably think of would be The gunslinger also. Yeah, but that I sometimes I would literally just open up pet cemetery and read that final line Um, and it gives me goosebumps every single time and it's also one of the main reasons why I despise Well, there's many reasons despise the the most recent remake which uh, my friend Jake told me They've already filmed and they're going to release a prequel to that one Um, and I'm it blows my mind because that one was just so utterly awful I don't know how you feel about it. If you want to talk about that, that's fine. But It exists It's not something I enjoy I um, I after making a handful of very like Angry guy yells at camera videos about a few Stephen King movies I I made I decided, you know what?  I don't like so after It was the creep shows It was creep show two and three I got very upset over and hated both so very very much There's a question over in chat about creep show three that we're going to get to in a second But I noticed that it was like within the first 10 minutes of us being alive But we're gonna get we're gonna get to we're gonna get that in a second, but uh Anyway, so so okay no comment. Is that is that what you're getting at? I I I I actually did enjoy parts of it. I of the first time I saw it. I deeply disliked it Yeah, and then the second time I watched it. I was like, all right be less Hyper critical about what it's not doing for you and try to find something that it is And so if you watch my video for it, I essentially said, you know what this this this movie Tempted to take the themes of the of the original story and of the original film And kind of twist them a little bit and instead of making it about this thing They tried to make it about this thing and and then explore that instead of being like They didn't kill the two-year-old and I don't like it When you put it that way When you put it that way Yeah, no, they they reexamined the way that the the original movie and novel addressed the themes of death and and in the initial in the novel it's Them arguing the parents about how they're going to talk to their child about death And never they never talk about the ideology. They never talk about god and the afterlife and then in this new movie That was what started to become the rift It was the wife had to believe in heaven because she killed her sister on accident And wanted to believe her sister was in a better place. Whereas The husband was a doctor and this man of science.   What's more threatening? A dead zombie two-year-old or a dead dead zombie nine-year-old I don't want to deal with either but fair. I get where you're coming from I get where you're coming from. Let me tell you but I also my daughter was oh, sorry go ahead No, no, no, you're well, all I'm gonna say is I have a terrifying I'm terrified and my one true phobia is dolls Well, spiders also but the dolls are part of the spider thing I was locked in a closet when I was a kid and it was a spider-infested doll cabinet Oh, so yeah, so there was literally like a horror movie They were like crawling out of the mouths and the eyes and whatnot So it's a legitimate trauma response when I when I look at gauge in the original movie Um, literally because he looks like a fucking doll and one of the dolls in there had had on the top Fucking top hat. So yeah, I the first movie I think is absolutely perfect.  I don't care that movie is perfect. So I also have it's also the very first Stephen King movie I had experience with we went to a drive-in Um, and my dad being jackass he was he wouldn't watch me Um, so I had to go with my mother and her friend andrita to go to a drive-in to watch pet cemetery I had to pee I I was sitting with my back to the driver's seat Um, because I wasn't supposed to watch it.  Oh, sweet Jesus at that. I was nine nine years old I screamed pissed all over myself um, but so they I have I haven't even though that's that might sound traumatizing. I have an affinity for that original movie Like that movie in my mind is perfect because it truly captured the horror and everything Um, so I went into the remake completely biased.  Yeah, that was that was I hate it when movie trailers are like, here's the whole movie in two minutes or less No, why would you do that and it's just getting worse? It's getting worse and worse Anyway, so if you're cool, I want to open up a chat to uh questions and I want to go all the way back up here to Uh questions that we got From the jump, uh, brad perkins says mr. Doyle did creep show three make you wish you picked up another You know, I mean the sad part is He had nothing to do with creep show three I could have just skipped it entirely and no one would have given me any problems over it I yes, it's it's entirely me. You're absolutely right.  How the hell did you I didn't even know that thing existed until you I'm sorry. I I'm I'm sorry that you have to know about it. Honestly The only reason I found out about it is because I was like, uh, yes, I'll do everything that has to do with carry That can't be that many Seven seven videos seven videos in the carry series I'll watch all of them too.  I was over on Goodreads Before I deleted my Goodreads. I had 15 000 followers. Oh my god, and people were there For me to rage out. They wanted me to hate read things and I never I never I got a preface this I never went into a book expecting to hate it not once But did I use those rage reviews to build my career? I sure as shit did and It was something people like I did a I did a review for Alan Moore's Jerusalem, which is a bloated Mess of a book it has a really good 300 page novel right in the middle of it Otherwise it's 600 000 words and 1200 pages long And I did a review of that one and I just went all in it was mostly cussing Don't be completely honest with you. Every other word was something foul Um, as you can tell just talking to me. I like the f word So there was a there was a lot of that That what single review got 10 000 likes my like got more My like had a bigger number than the number of reviews for the book The book like topped out at like eight. I don't know what it's at now But before I deleted my Goodreads. It was like 8 000 reviews. I got 10 000 more people clicked like on that review But anyway, so yeah, that was my whole shtick for a long time recently I would say probably Last year around january or february um, I was doing this uh thing where I was Instead of doing individual reviews. I was doing uh, I was crunching everything together that I read in that month Because I didn't have time to film. I was working on big projects so on and so forth. Um, and I realized as I was going through this I would I would usually finish a bad book I would finish everything that I started because I knew I could make content off of that experience But then I also realized that I had amassed a legion of followers That were only there for my rage that were only there to see me upset and only there to see me unhappy because they got joy from me Disliking things and I knew that had to change. So when when you were speaking to I don't want to be that guy Yeah, it resonated with me for that reason because I don't want to be that guy anymore Now if I'm not liking a book within like the first I have a 15 and 50 rule I watch a movie for 15 minutes if you don't if you if you don't grab me I'm out of there 50 pages for a book you get at least 50 pages because sometimes I mean I have some of my favorite books don't even get going until page 100. So I figure 50 is a good, you know media there um Anyways, but yeah, I didn't like myself You know, I didn't like what I was doing when I was putting out into the world Even though I had amassed all these fans who love that content I didn't like it. I didn't like what I was doing I didn't like that I I didn't even like the fact that I got on and just rambled for you know 10 15 minutes at a time And now all my videos are highly edited highly There's jump cuts like you know every couple words sometimes Because I'm cutting out all the us and ums and just me rambling on about you know What I like and what I don't like kind of thing that has has Nothing pertaining to the to the book itself um Anyways, but I like I told you before I'm also ADHD and touch of the tism. So my brain goes to My brain goes to wild wild places. Um, that's that's funny about creep show three. I have not watched that video yet Okay, well I I don't know I cringe a little bit I cringe a little bit if I go back to like watch any of those particular creep show two and three videos in particular I don't ever want to watch again at this point because I'm just I'm just mad the whole time And I'm just shitting on it the whole time But you know, I it was I'm glad I did those though because I was like I didn't really enjoy that You know, so now I'm not going to keep doing that Um, unless I'm forced to which is entirely possible. It could happen again. You know, if I If I'm forced I I'm forcing myself to do it. No one's holding a gun to my head like watch the shitty movie Or you're gonna pay a price for it Uh, that's one of the things I was talking about earlier is like, you know, the when when you start doing Channels like we have yeah people have certain expectations right and they They either respect our opinion or they want new information or whatever it might be and That can get under your skin Very quickly.  I'm sure yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm pausing Um And I can in fact this is the first thing I was thinking when you got to In in the it video when you got to the radical leftist part.  But when there's something like a dozen instances of people having your book in their possession And then literally murdering people. Yeah There's nothing wrong with king choosing to take the book out of the shelf He wasn't censored.  I don't it wasn't censorship It was it was literally found in a locker at the school where the shooting happened. Yes, um, and I Ironously said uh way back in the day. I thought it was Columbine But a friend of mine update updated me not updated, but he informed me that it wasn't Columbine It was a completely different one But at this point in time it's getting so out of control It's like what's the new flavor of who can keep trying not even week the day I mean, we've had more mass shootings in this country. I don't want to get off on a tangent More mass shootings in this country Then we've had days this year just this year tangent. No, we're not doing Let's go. Let's go to chat. Okay. Okay. Okay. We can definitely do a topic like that though. Well, I mean my my second obsession is is politics So I am covertly using my Stephen King channel to bring politics into the conversation That's right. That's right Yeah Don't worry. I'm just uh, I'm just a harmless little booktuber. Nothing to worry about And then bam Marxism when when you do hit.  I'm over here scrolling through. I'm still I'm still listening. I promise But I'm looking at yeah, I was just gonna say uh for those who you know are are here who didn't Get to hear that half hour of us chatting Uh, it turns out the two of us have a lot in common Uh, like scary amounts like really bizarre coincidental things Um, just off the rip. We're both uh, I'm 42. He's 41. We both are married with two kids We both are musicians. Um, we both I didn't even I didn't want to interrupt you and cut you off But of course I was not reading books during my heroin state. I'm sure I'm sure you realize that Yeah, so I kind of fell out of love with reading around 96 97 and I didn't really get that I was writing and selling books before I got back into reading more than two or three books a year It wasn't until probably 2010 2011 Um, when I really got deep in the internet culture that I started finding my people again I found Goodreads, you know all this other stuff. I published uh, I just started the the I can't I'm not supposed to talk. I'm since I want to leave this video up I can't talk about the other name, but we already we already talked about the other yeah.  I published the first book under that name so on and so forth. Um And so it was it was a good from 97 to 2011 I might have read two or three books a year And usually they were Stephen King books. So that's another reason why I asked, you know, is it just King for you because that's some people it's just king Like they don't they won't read and me being and you being a king centric channel I don't know if you come across these people or not, but there's literally comments that say I don't read anyone else but king And that's the only author I can think of that.  Um Brad can I spill the beans E? What do you mean? I don't know what you mean? Uh I don't I don't know what beans it was it was a while ago. What time is it? It's 9 38 and it was at 9 0 2 What beans are you what beans are you spilling? Brad Brad where the beans at brad There is no ending of it hang on Yeah, Christopher bilko and this is just a comment. Um, just to say I There is no ending of any series that is perfect But that can be said about literally any form of media. Um, there's no perfect movie There's no I mean some of us think they're a perfect movie movies minus Howard the duck. I'm of course wrong, but I stand by that Hell yeah, yeah, I'm not even kidding dude. It's it's my favorite movie of all time. I've watched it hundreds of times Yeah, there is no ending of any series that's perfect and it's perfect for everyone So good and fulfilling is the best any writer would want at most likely This is very very true And then my friend Tony who's a monkey clan 7798 says hello Hello, hello, mr. Dole glad to see you here man. I love your channel. I'm a huge fan of yours He's talking to you because Tony doesn't like me at all. I'm kidding I'm kidding Well, I greatly appreciate that. Um, you know, I've seen quite the uh uptick in uh subs and views here in this last couple of weeks and I'm not exactly sure Why that is I think my newest thumb nail for yeah needful things thumbnail was pretty on point. I was really happy with that one Um, but yeah, thank you. Uh, uzumaki. It's it's been really exciting to uh start to see some growth because I have Felt more discouraged than encouraged a lot of the time until I see Somebody say something like that and then I'm just like, oh, okay great.   That's what it's all about Brad says I'm from rock chester That I say rock chester Rochester Rochester, so I knew I was going to get it wrong with the anything with chester in it is never pronounced the same way ever it's like Whiskey shears or whatever we've got wooster up here where I'm from wooster It looks like war chester, but that's not what it is. Uh brad, uh, we're about three hours away from each other as a matter of fact Uh, I was last in Rochester to see the band queens of the stone age at the dome Uh That was a great show. That was uh, god, that was like five years ago now. I think but um Yeah, um, I I don't divulge a lot about where I live You're fine. You don't have to I'm just gonna throw that out there. You don't have to No, I I'm not gonna I I've always been weirded out. That's why I strictly used my last name Uh, I just try to keep some anonymity You know Weirds me out having everybody know where I live Although I have 100 doxxed myself on a handful of occasions like without realizing it I used to do a thing called uh, well not saying how I used to do unboxing videos Um, and somehow out of like 30 40 videos I never once accidentally showed my address. Um, but I did get doxxed at one point in time Um, and we ended up having to move I got feces in the mail for my review of bird box Of all things. Yeah, um someone was in a box. It was literally in a box. Um, and and On top of the fecal matter was a card that was written very Pretty that said this is what I think of your bird box review and it was human feces Wow, I know I know it was human feces because it was the police were called the police came out Laboratories did the testy test And the person was eventually arrested because the dumbass dropped it off at the post office So the there was video of them dropping out post office. So yeah, they were they sat in jail for like three years It was it was lovely. Uh, but Can I tell my poop in the box? Okay, please All right, okay. All right. I'll try to keep it quick. I'll try to keep it fine. Okay. I'm doing I'm doing good So you're fine. I actually told my parents the story for the first time a couple weekends ago. Uh, so I feel free to say it on the internet now Okay, so growing up in a small house with a single bathroom Sometimes you have an emergency situation and you cannot wait For the bathroom to become available. So I came home from school with my sister one day She had to use a bathroom. I urgently needed to use the bathroom. She got there first So, what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? I ran down in the basement. I found a box I took care of my business and then I ran it out to a cornfield Which is what we were surrounded by where I grew up and I left it in the middle of this field The next day my friend comes by we're walking up the street and from a like a mile away He's like, hey, what is that over there in the field? And I'm like I don't know. I don't know.      We got way too much in common. Uh, boggle clean said now We're gonna move on from there. Yeah, moving on moving on, but that's that's a whole clip in itself. That's a 100 Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's going up there. Anyways. Oh my god. I love swan song and boys life I need to read those again. It's been forever.  I that's not a uniquely portable magic. I'm pretty sure that was the quote. Yeah, exactly. Um, I always want to put in typo But uh, that's that book is exactly What he was talking about that's one of those those books that take you back to your childhood That's one of those books that just make you relive everything good about being a kid Definitely before you realize the world wants you dead. Yeah Yeah, macammon, uh, Sean says macammon king collab would be sick. We need to petition them. I doubt whatever happened Yeah, I mean, I assume macammon's still alive. Oh, yeah, he oh, yeah, he's the in fact. He was just in birmingham Uh, last year I think well, he could have died since then but i'm sure he's alive I know he's like because he's got a new book coming out and all that He's doing that math use something series. I don't know what it is Revival had a great first line in one way at least our lives really are like movies I was about to pull it out, but that's it. I know that um, that is that is a good line um, that is And we got a pet cemetery one. I'm looking for questions, but i'm also seeing uh, good comments My biggest complaint with the pet cemetery remaining is how they messed up jud and lewis. Yes. Yeah relationship In the remake they are almost anti Tagging mystic Towards each other Uh pet cemetery beside having my favorite final line of all time That opening line about him finding his father figure is brilliant also because and and you're absolutely right, you know Not only did john lithgow not do a great job in my opinion But then again, i'm still, you know i'm For herman munster. I got to have herman when He was he was the quintessential jud. It's hard to see anybody else in the role honestly Exactly sometimes dead is better and i can't do I can't do a But he nailed that line. He did Closing line the long walk and when the hand touched his shoulder again. He somehow found the strength to run and patrick patrick I Wanted to we we brought you up beforehand and we we both know you you're pretty much Infamous by the way, if you don't know in the king creator community um and Me and mr. Doyle both both appreciate you Uh, it's nice to to know that we haven't run you off or you know Where you have to be like you're wrong all the time. I hate you So it's a good litmus test. So whether or not a a channel is you know A king channel is decent if we see a good comment like from you underneath of it Underneath it patrick is an excellent barometer. Oh, yes, definitely. No for real though patrick You've been like one of my most regular commenters for the longest time In my channel's existence. So I really do appreciate that you've been following along and always have uh Constructive criticisms if you have criticisms, you've never been cruel or mean about it And you haven't you definitely haven't been wrong on those occasions and uh, I've never found him Wrong either like and most of time it's usually me. I when I do see a patrick comment Sometimes I have to cool myself down because I'm mad at myself like oh, what did I do?   I hope you're listening patrick is incredible He he may have mentioned this to you. He put all of the texts of steven king into that search Oh, you have that. I have it. How do you think well? Okay, let me let me a lot of the stuff that I have for the redux series Yeah Um, unfortunately, I finished filming the redux series the entire thing's been done Holy crap before I got his database to work But now that I have the database working I am now going through and I'm going to be doing videos once the redux is done I'm going to be doing videos just searching for specific Terminologies like the shop how many which books they pop up in how many times it pops up in I can also just go through my videos because he has literally commented on every single one of my videos About how many times certain words pop up. Yes. The only thing we're going to have problem with is the number 19 You know how important 19 is But it's not always the number 19. Sometimes it's how many letters are in someone's name Sometimes it's an address that added up to or like in uh later It's a combination to someone's unlock screen on their phone adds up to 19. It's crazy Um M twice says king drops band names on his works all the time Are there any examples where either of you were surprised by what band king mentioned? I'm going to I'm going to give you the boring one because no I know how I know how influential music was to him and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he listened to little nausex You know, I honestly oh, that's honestly. I wouldn't be a bit surprised Because he's he always he of course loves classic rock and all that stuff and country music and whatnot But uh, he also listens to new stuff. You'll see him on twitter talking about hey, I found this new band Go check it out. So no, I'm never surprised. How about you mr. Doyle? Uh, you know, I I'm trying to think of uh a time he surprised me when talking about music But I keep I think I keep thinking of this article. He wrote it was uh About like what was your what do you think is the most overrated band? And what's the most underrated band and for the life of me like I'm trying to remember who he named as the most overrated. I'm pretty sure he said the Beatles Because he I think it was trolling, but I don't know for sure I would I would agree with that moving on. Okay. Yep moving on next question Uh, he said he said I'm not getting shot at night. I'm not getting shot at tonight.  Bill a great combo tonight What is your favorite king story for me? So many come to mind But the jaunt would be my favorite. I once again, I got to give the boring answer because the jaunt is my favorite as well It's the implications of the entire story. Um, the story is super short Uh for king anyways, we're not talking about a 30 60 page short story like he normally does We're not talking about rainy season or anything like that.  I uh, I go to uh Uh Probably either Man, all right. I'm gonna say one definitively instead of say well, it's either this or that I'm gonna go with uh, I am the doorway Um, I I will say this too the title to that story I don't know what it is, but just those words in that order. I find fascinating I really like it and then of course the themes are you know The guy has something inside of him taking control of him and and he can't stop it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And and you know, I saw that as an analogy while I was reading it of you know Like addiction and alcoholism and and the things inside of you you can't control or perhaps it was like a mental disorder Or something like that. I mean obviously in the story. It's literally An alien presence inside of this man Yeah You know, sorry, sorry. No, please go ahead. Okay. It reminds me of that movie the gate You remember the gate? Yeah, when that the eye in the hand and that just that bothers me because I'm I am not a fan of eye horror Um, it bothers me like that. What is it zombie or zombie to whatever that famous scene? Yeah, I can't no no that that that's too much my friend. That's too much This is directly for you mr. Doyle. Do you own keep all of your outfits from your videos? Okay, so I currently have a costume rack now. So do I Anyway, it's lab coats, uh hospital johnny's Various blood spattered Dress shirts and yeah, I own it all now. I mean i'm trying to Only like I finally realized like I need to start buying things that I will actually need again Because it's getting out of control. So like for the it series. I started to just buy t-shirts that had main on them And uh, you know, if I gotta if I gotta wear a dress shirt I'll wear one that actually fits me that I can reuse obviously the one for craig to me is covered in blood now So I won't be reusing that one. But yeah, I own All of those costumes That's very very cool. Um The it's funny because patrick even mentioned this he's like do you plan on wearing a different shirt in every single one of your videos? If so What are you going to do with those shirts? I'm like I didn't know what else to say to him. I'm like wear them. I don't I don't know. I I have them They're they exist Amazing, uh, jake jake You found your twitter, that's right Oddly oddly. Yes, uh, it's it's very weird. Um, it's it's nice But it's also very very weird how much we have in common e and mr. Doyle are my two favorite steven king youtubers.  Uh, but yeah, he can search He can search everything. Um, and it's uh, it's I couldn't get I use linux So I couldn't get it to work on windows for the longest time and he kept saying I sent you the damn database Why don't you look he didn't say it like that, but he's like you can do this in the database You can search for those things because I was literally calling him out in the videos and be like patchy. Will you check this for me? I literally got desperate at one point in time I discovered e and mr. Doyle by searching for videos about the long walk. Yes um Let's see here Here you go. Mr. Doyle's essay on needful things was freaking majestic. I will agree 100% That and it are probably my favorite out of your catalog so far. Um, have you have you I gotta ask you this question before we continue on With this because we got several other questions.   Um, and honestly it was just like All right.  That's all the all the all the stuff I have left to do That that's all I'm just saying I do this. I do the same thing. Can please continue on Yeah, but burnout burnout or of some sort had set in but I don't I can't really put it all on the channel it was just like I got a full-time job. I got a full-time family My wife is in the process of opening up a photography studio right now So I'm spending my free time there Helping her get her studio ready for the big opening this coming weekend. You rock. Thank you Thank you. Absolutely. I love I love back get away from me I got like I live in Alabama. So these little gnats will come in when I open my office door And I literally shoot and film and even read out in a shed in a climate controlled shed out in my yard Yeah, um But but the reason why is so I'm not bothering my wife who does her own blogging and graphic stuff and Video game research and everything when she's inside.  Yes.  Yeah Affect that so, uh, yeah, she's literally had to clean me up. This this is a bout it woman Yeah, I'd say she is there for it. Um, let's see here. I finished my second lesson of it How many times are you planning on reading it? Uh, patrick, I'd love to hear that from me Uh, if you have you probably haven't but brad's tattoo Is amazing Um, if I can get your permission brad, I will forward it because I still have your email. I believe I will forward it to mr.  Doyle I'm curious what your thoughts are on the theme of consumption throughout king's work This is for a whole other video, but yeah, uh, if you aren't familiar e maybe you can sum up what I'm talking about We have kind of narrowed down steven king's entire career Not only to imagination and the power of imagination, but to then that that's on my end jake I haven't talked to jake about this, but how consumption plays a unique special role in the steven king universe as far as Even in in the movies even in books like christine how it kind of eats arnie alive Kind of you know, that kind of sucks the life out of him to the true not to the vampires and salams lot to all of the to the spoilers spoilers to the outsider penny wise the grays all all of those All these monsters are about consumption even to some extent annie wilkes is about consumption She wants another book from paul shelden. She wants it's all about Bleeding you dry you know there they come it's a revolving theme with king's work that the Protagonist is being consumed by something Even so much as with pet cemetery. You're being consumed by grief whether Uh that the consumption is a monster or whether it's an emotion Even consumption when it comes down to alcoholism with uh with you know the shining all all of and dr. Sleep and all that so I'm sure we can sit here and talk For a while on that, but if you want to give some thoughts on that um Maybe we'll tackle it because I have a insanely long video Coming up and I still need to talk to jake about some other stuff, but uh just about Consumption so any any words on that? Uh, I mean, you know honestly, um, I hadn't really thought about that particular word in relation to these stories and you know the The entirety of the bibliography, but like after you started rattling them off. I was like, yeah, I can see how that would play a role Yep, that makes sense Yeah, I mean that is uh kind of a core tenant of a lot of king's writing is that Something is either literally or metaphorically eating this person up or Chewing them up and spitting them out in some sort of way You know at first when I saw consumption, I thought you meant like consumerism and corporatism and I was like, yeah Yeah, let's talk about that But nobody needs to hear me talk about that right now, but um That's another video, but yeah, I mean I there there's certainly a through line there hard to deny it honestly, yeah, very cool I think we're on to something uh mean and jake, uh, I call him jake, but mean I think I think We are on to something especially Things like needful things how an item the possession of something can consume you and it just yeah, it's uh It's it there's a lot In fact, I will forward you What jake sent has sent me already because he was just playing off of something I said in one of my videos and then he has this huge list But anyways, I'll forward that to you uh brad says mr. Dole. Have you watched midnight mass? And if so, what are your thoughts? I actually I have watched it. Um midnight mass is actually one of the like most recent series I have actually watched to completion Other than like the boys because I just I couldn't get enough of just the gory super hero stuff Like it has political stuff. It's got over the top gore. It's it was an action blockbuster material So as far as midnight mass goes I I was pretty enthralled by that series. I could not stop watching it It was one of those um I should have gone to bed two episodes ago kind of series for me and I haven't had one of those in quite a while Um, I do not know the actor's name, but the guy that played the the reverend the father there at the church Oh, uh, link uh Hamish hamish link letter. I believe Is his name? I thought he was fantastic. Honestly, um Hamish link letter is his name. I thought yeah, he's amazing. Oh, yeah, I thought honestly as far as uh acting goes There was only one or two kind of weak links in there for me But for the most part like the overall themes And just the aesthetics of the show. I really vibed with it. It was it was a A home run for me. Honestly, it was the closest It's now my favorite tv show of all time. Yeah, it is the closest Anyone has ever come To a steven king adaptation that wasn't a steven king adaptation. Amen. And the whole way it was born I'm not I don't want to get into too many details, but the whole way it was born was He couldn't plan again couldn't do salem slot.  I'm gonna do what I want I'll do my own salem slot Hmm. I said I'll do my own. Yeah, I'll do my outside. Okay.  Yeah Um, oh, thank you brad you guys are the best the love you have for your fans is overwhelming And I'm so glad you guys decided to stream for us. I'm I am beyond thrilled that uh first you you bringing up mr. Doyle Period um to to have found it. I love the sense of discovery and when I Discovered you through brad. It was that magic that I love so much.  We're making we're making content for people to watch and they don't want to just sit there and listen to Uh, listen to us. Just ramble on about something with with no entertainment value Um, so yeah mad respect for that because not everybody will do that. They'll they'll edit out I can't remember which one it was but you were literally Yeah, I uh, I made a decision early on because I was editing the video And I was just like that's the best part of the video like I was I was I was trying to be funny when I started the channel and then like I was just like I don't think I'm very good at writing jokes.  Um, because it looked bad on me.  She made the church hat From uh for pet cemetery all that stuff.  Yeah, um, and it's the natural stuff That that that makes people laugh and people have fun with Um, all right, we're gonna, uh, I'm gonna read the rest of them Jake's got one at a time stamp of 1006 and then I have to go we're so four more Four more and we're gonna we're gonna call it quits And then I'm gonna ask you where they can find you and all that other good stuff Um, who are some of your favorite and least favorite king characters? Uh, for me, I have to go with tom and nick from the stand wireman and edgar from duma key um, and I could be here. I would say my favorite steven keen character of all time Hands down very controversial opinion. Holly give me.  Oh, that is a tough one. Um, uh, larry underwood Uh, it was always a favorite, uh, you know, you dig your man.  That's a tough one. I didn't even give you my least but yeah Yeah, I I do want to say I've never understood the holly hate. I've never understood why people don't like holly give me I've always enjoyed her as a character. She's unique from all of king's other characters It was something completely different and I appreciated it. Um, and I'm looking forward to the book It's me too like two months away two months. Maybe yeah, september or something. Yeah, it's soon. So, yeah Yeah, two months. Yeah, um least favorite. Uh, uh, oh, I can't remember her name.   Yeah. Yeah. She she tries to shoot him Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right Um, nadine cross is detestable because of who she is as a character, but she has a good character Yeah, she has a great arc. She does a very good arc.  Um, Randall flag I hate Randall flag. I've never liked the character.  Yeah, exactly. That's pretty much all he is. Um, That's how I feel about it and everyone can disagree with me. I'm fine with that, but There is no That there is nothing everything he does he fails at and I don't understand why the crimson king bothers with him Because and I like alan painborn too, but but no bannerman. It's bannerman love around this place. I'm gonna No, painborn is great.  True. True. True. Anyways, but I like to joke about that I'm like, we don't talk about alan painborn, right? But anyways, not in this house. I do like alan I do like a needful things and and that stuff But I would say if anytime someone brings up their favorite steven king villain and they say Randall flag It takes everything in my power To not roll my eyes into the back of my head because he doesn't do anything, right? Why is it? Why does the crimson king keep using him for shit?  He's uh, andre lenoge in my head. He's eve black from sleeping beauties in my head. Um, I mean if black is in the name man, but anyways, but that episode is coming up in a couple days guys But um and he he's flag. He's he's all these He's all these things. He's even rf in the quenby book I don't okay. Anyways, I know Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna leave we're gonna leave that alone. That could be another whole episode But I haven't even finished the series and I read every single king book that comes out Day one. You just you just gave me my least favorite character. I couldn't think of who it would be It's freaking guendy by the end of the guendy trilogy.   I refuse. I gave my my favorite rage review of all time Is my review of that second book. I love the first one. I could feel king throughout the whole thing But the second one was nothing but glorified fan fiction. Yes.   Dole both appreciated my feedback and don't take it personally. There's nothing to take personally This isn't the the thing is we we have come so far as a as a society That we've gotten so backward as a society that mistakes are no longer tolerated People are going to make mistakes And to have someone respectfully Say Hey, you missed this or that didn't actually happen.  Yeah, he's he's he always brings his receipts and I love him for it Um, but yeah, I don't I don't like it either.   So if it takes me a couple days to heart your comment It's because i'm pissed off at myself And i'm sitting back stewing going good. Why is he always going to be right?  Oh, yeah Exactly. He was always chill and like if people can't see that then oh we got permission for you to send me the tattoo I see yes. Yes. That's what I was gonna bring up next. Yes Uh, midnight mass is legit the best Salem slot adaptation in my opinion. It is so true though Totally right jacob. It's funny because even watching that show is like a literary experience because you have long Long luscious monologues Where you are you are getting you are getting that narrative in your head that you would normally be getting while reading And that's where I think flanagan nailed steven king and everything that he does is he gives you that narrative feeling of reading a book Absolutely fantastic. Yes. Um, let's see here. We're we we got to go guys. This has been so much fun Mr. Doyle, are you going to make any more covers of songs? Uh says must be in regards to the stand by me cover that I shared. Um I I don't have any plans to at this time What I am planning to do is upload all of the music I've made for the channel so far Which is over a hundred tracks uh onto band camp for people to just listen to and download for free And then I have my band enormous little things has two albums on uh spotify if you want to check those out Hang on. Hang on. Yeah pause. Just just for a second. Keep keep that keep that rolling But I want to put down enormous little things. Yep. Yep, and then I have another band called back alley dentistry Uh, which can be found on youtube and uh band camp that one's not on spotify But if you google either of those that's the only things that are gonna come up Okay, so this might be a little bit of a reach, but that's what I do. Um back alley dentistry I have a character in one of my novels called the rest stop dentist Yeah, that's pretty simple That's I'm telling you brother. I'm I'm telling you Anyways, so guys, this has been an absolute pleasure. I am going to let him tell you where all you can find him Uh, I let him finish up talking about the bands if you need to um, and then we're gonna take it We're we're gonna take it to the house. Um, but no more questions I I want to answer your questions, but we're definitely I don't don't want to say definitely we we're gonna do this again, right? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I've had a blast. We're doing this again. Definitely. That's awesome Okay, so uh, yeah, uh, can either continue on with the band stuff or just tell everybody where they can find you You can legitimately find me pretty much only on youtube these days. Um, a great undertaking Um, I'm on instagram. I don't actually use it I have a facebook page. I have never used it. I do not have twitter. I do not have threads I I just don't have time to deal with any of that stuff So just just find me on youtube And throw me a sub and I'll and I'll and I'll give you a big thumbs up in the comments when you leave me a little something But yeah, that's it. I'm I'm monetized now kind of ish. I don't know youtube I don't understand what's happening. But uh, they they like had me apply for the partner program and uh, I was approved So we'll see what happens, but I don't know.  It's nice though It's not the only reason I have memberships turned on on my channel. I have six people total The only reason why is because people literally harassed me for like six months Is I turn on memberships so we can get started patreon do this that and the other is like I have a patreon But that's for my books and I don't want to keep track of another damn thing. Yeah, so I turn on memberships I don't do anything as far as memberships are concerned. They don't get special emojis or any of that stuff Yeah, it's it's just if they want to support me they can If not, that's fine, too But yeah, anyway, so you heard him you heard the man run over to his channel now sub if you haven't already Hopefully you already have But this has been an absolute blast man We'll we'll get together afterward and we will go and we will talk about when we want to do this I'm thinking probably once a month. I don't know. It depends on I I don't have a schedule But he does so we definitely work around his schedule and we will have some themed episodes This was a getting to know you session. I knew it was going to go well I said it before we even went live. I was like, yeah, this this is going to be It's going to be the easiest work I've ever done But anyways, and it's not even it's not work. That's not what I was giving you But uh, that's a good time. Yes, definitely. Um Thank you guys everybody for stopping in and listening to us Just have fun And that's that's the most important thing I believe about this platform period Is that we can get together and we can talk about the things that we like The things that we don't like and we can respectfully disagree when we do Disagree, but until next time all hell the chair. Thank you again for stopping by mr. Doyle Anything else you want to say? Uh, thanks everybody who joined us here and I'll see you on the channel. Thanks chair Bye. Bye


This lecture will focus more specifically on measuring intellectual humility. As a domain-specific humility, it is unclear of the extent to which intellectual humility is independent of a broader dispositional characteristic. Only time will tell. To answer that question empirically, we have to be able to measure both humility as a general construct as well as intellectual humility. Fortunately, there have now been several measures developed to assess specifically intellectual humility. The first of these measures that we will look at is called the comprehensive intellectual humility scale. This is based on a conception of intellectual humility as a non-threatening awareness of one's intellectual fallibility. The scale consists of 22 items answered on a 5-point liquor format. Again, strongly disagree to strongly agree. By now you might have gathered that that's a common scale that is used. And the four sub-scales of the comprehensive intellectual humility scale are an openness to revising one's viewpoint, a lack of intellectual overconfidence, a respect for others' viewpoints, and an independence of intellect and ego. Let me give some example items of these. The first is an example item of openness to revising one's viewpoint. I am willing to change my position on an important issue in the face of good reasons. The second that I'll give you is reverse scored, and it's dealing with the factor of lack of intellectual overconfidence. My ideas are usually better than other people's ideas. Again, that's a reverse scored item. A third that is getting at the respect for others factor. I can respect others even if I disagree with them in important ways. And then finally, the fourth factor that this item will also be reverse scored is the independence of ego and intellect. When someone contradicts my most important beliefs, it feels like a personal attack. Second scale that has been developed is referred to just simply as the intellectual humility scale. This is a 17-item self-report measure based on the conceptual work of June Tagney that we talked about briefly in an earlier lecture, as well as the work of Robert Roberts and Jay Wood. Like most of the other scales reported here, this scale is also rated on the five-point Likert scale, with higher scores indicating greater degrees of humility. The measure resulted in three factors. The first factor is a low concern for intellectual status. The second factor is what's called perspective taking. And the third factor, the authors identified as a low intellectual defensiveness. Sample items include statements such as this. For the low concern for intellectual status, and this item is reverse scored, it is important to me to get special attention from others for my intellectual achievements. For the second factor, which is the perspective taking factor, even if something is important to me, I listen to opinions that differ from my own. And the third factor, which is the intellectual defensiveness factor, and this is a reverse scored item, I would rather continue to believe in something untrue than to find out I am wrong about it. So what we have discussed thus far are all different measures that involve self-reports of intellectual humility. The next two scales reviewed here provide an alternative type measure to the use of self-reports. They both use informant ratings. Now, by informant rated, it means that the person completing the items in the scale is not answering the questions about him or herself, but rather is answering the questions in terms of some other targeted person. The validity of the informant report nature of the scale circumvents the problem of self-reports that we talked about in a prior lecture, but raises the question as to how well an informant can answer the items being asked, at least as it applies to discerning intellectual humility. In one study, it was found that group consensus of intellectual humility and intellectual arrogance could be reached only after considerable engagement over months. Within group consensus was not found among unacquainted participants, even after a 20-minute group task. But the question about the ability of friends, family members, or coworkers to discern humility and others remains open and will require further work. So let's look at two measures that take this approach. The first is called the McElroy intellectual humility scale. This intellectual humility scale was the first published measure specifically of intellectual humility and is an informant rated measure based upon a five-point liquor scale with higher scores indicating higher humility. The scale consists of two factors. An intellectual openness scale with such items as seeks out alternative viewpoints, again referring to a targeted other, and the intellectual arrogance subscale with items such as often becomes angry when their ideas are not implemented. The two subscales correlate highly with each other. And to date, this particular scale has been utilized to measure attitudes towards religious outgroups as well as perceptions of the intellectual humility of religious leaders. There have been some other attempts to provide measures of humility and intellectual humility that do not rely upon other reports. And the final attempt at measuring humility that we'll talk about is called the humility arrogance implicit association test. The humility arrogance implicit association test provides yet another alternative for measuring humility. Using computer administration, participants are shown single word attributes related to humility. For example, on the computer you might just see the word humble or you might see the word respectful. And then you will also see words that are related to arrogance. For example, you might see single words such as egotistical or conceited or closed-minded. And each person must classify each word as related to the self or others. And implicit humility scores then calculated not based upon whether they made a connection between themselves and the particular word, but it's actually based upon their reaction times. With shorter reaction times indicating higher implicit associations with particular attributes because less time is needed to determine if the attributes are characteristics of oneself. The jury is still out on how accurate and therefore how useful this alternative measure will be. But it does represent an effort to deal with self-report problems. So in conclusion, let's think about what are some future measurement efforts. Though challenging, we strongly advise the move towards measures beyond self-reports. Such efforts have begun with informant skills and an implicit attitude test measure. Research will benefit from implementing more complex psychometrics as researchers begin to pursue with greater precision the humility construct. For example, could humility be discerned from an analysis of facial expressions in humility-relevant situations? Sophisticated video analysis technology exists that might support such assessment. Furthermore, the sub-domains of humility are many in the application's multitudinous. Research will benefit from casting even wider measurement nets in an attempt to apply humility research in numerous applied settings. And in so doing, the field can begin making recommendations for both interventions to develop humility as well as creating social conditions under which humility may be fostered.


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