is a presentation of T F N N. Traders edge with Steve Rhoads toll free at 1<PHONE_NUMBER> or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. The Traders edge now Steve Rhoads. Good afternoon folks. Today is Thursday. It's terrific Thursday. It's December the 5th. Welcome to the show. I'm your host Stevie Perseverance Rhodes who absolutely knows that each of us should always be pioneers of our future versus prisoners of our past. Think about that one folks. How many people do you know that are tied up in the last moment or the moment from yesterday or the one from a past. Thanks so much for joining me. This show is all about you. During this next 60 minutes I'd love to be able to field your questions about any instruments that you've got an interest in whether you own it, whether you're long, whether you're short, whether you just have an interest in it. We can take a look at it for multiple time frames like we will for Justin and Jim in just a moment. They're mixed. We've got the Dao off a little over one tenth of a percent. So not a big deal. That's really flat. It's down 39 points. S&P's off three. NASDAQ 100 on seven. The Russell is totally flat. The Summizer up two points. That's flat out there. The New York Stock Exchange is flat. Willsha's off 36 points. It's only one tenth of a percent out there. But we're going to take a look at the markets. Gold. We're going to take a look at the markets. We're going to take a look at the market approach that they that they've got. Well one is looking to enter into bear gold. So we'll take a look at the individual stocks as well. It's trade out at 14 84. It's below the top of its profile. I believe we'll take a look at that silver is up 12 cents. Natural gas up four pennies. Lights weed crude is flat out there. Lead the charge. You can see where I'm pulling the data from out here. So lead the charge dollar wise the upside its restoration hardware led by Metler Toledo up 11 bucks. Chipotle up eight arena pharmaceuticals up eight. That's 91 cents 91 percent. They must have solved something out there. Sage therapeutics down 87 bucks 58 percent sounds like they didn't solve anything. Amazon off 16 Alaco sink down 15 bucks on the market. So let's go right to it. Jim P. and so Jim is asking the question will John kind of do a tag team. He said I'm looking to buy looking for buy area for the stock gold that is bear gold out there. I know that you've been thinking that gold is not bottom but thought it might be in December or January with price level. Do you think would be a good buy. For the stock when gold does bottom.  Thanks in advance OK so so there's our different perspectives on gold. I'm going to give you the charts perspective on gold. And what it maybe is or isn't doing and we're going to we're going to go in reverse order I think that way we've got the bigger picture we can see what's going on and so therefore this will really apply to Justin's question with regard to breaking out and up. So let's take a look at gold looking at the monthly time frame chart and what we're going to see out here. So as we expand this chart we're going to see a beautiful confirmed Gartley sell pattern. Now a Gartley sell pattern has got an A to B equal CD. That's what we see from gold coming off of the bottom that A to B the point on that by the way began from a monthly TD set up nine count that was back in December of 2015 out there. So there's our A to B equal CD. It completes out here in August of this year and then in September was the Kai Bosch the confirmation of that pattern and then we're going to see what happens next. And then we're going to see a nice big old bearish and golfing. Well it was a dark cloud cover candle actually too much later. Yes. Last month we got the bearish and golfing. So what do you know out here Justin is maybe maybe from a short term time frame that you're looking at. Maybe things are breaking away up and away. I would say if you're a fan of Gartley and you may not be a fan of Gartley but if you are what gold has done is formed a fairly significant top line. And that's not so fast. The first role and responsibility on a longer term basis monthly time frame out here because we have both Stevie's red line turning green and a confirmed Gartley sell pattern is for price to push its way down to Stevie's green line. Currently that's printing at 1427 80. So both Jim and Justin out here I'd really wait for that test to unfold. Maybe Stevie's green lines going to be a price or maybe it's price pulling back. I don't know what that is. And if price closes below on a monthly basis. Stevie's green line that tells you to be prepared for even a further retracement.  I listened to well when I can I listen to Larry but certainly I did and hired him many years ago to be able to learn his patterns higher to pay the big bucks and to be able to learn his patterns higher to pay the big bucks. I love that pattern. It's a great pattern and so it is identified atop. Now we don't have to stop there we won't stop there because I want you to have the bigger perspective and the bigger picture out here. So here's the weekly time frame chart because this has got kind of both the top and a bottom. And so here is the tug of war. The top was the roads momentum indicator topping signal. Now that confirmed out here. Let me get my cursor. You can see price was moving higher maybe can't see it but price was moving higher. So here's the chart. And on September 27th that happened to be a body of a candle that engulfed the prior body price was in an up trend that was your bearish engulfing and confirmation of the roads momentum indicator top. Now what price did do was price did bottom with a TD nine bottom pattern and it did this here on November 15th. And so certainly we've got the sign of a bottom on a weekly basis and the sign of a top on a monthly basis and a sign of a top on the weekly basis. So what's the bottom? What's the bottom? What's the bottom? What's the bottom bottom? What's the bottom bottom? Which one is right? I don't know which one is right. I know the price below Stevie's green line out here, which is 15 11 50. This tells me topping pattern on the weekly topping pattern on the monthly all suggesting lower price. That is the bigger picture. Now let's go to a smaller picture. The daily timeframe. What is a daily timeframe tells really for the daily timeframe. What I'm going to do is I'm going to just switch over here right now and take a look at what's going on right now. I'm going to take a look at this gold chart here for gold priced in US dollars in euros in yen and in pounds. What is it that we see that is common amongst all of these currencies? What is common is what we have here is a series of lower highs and lower lows. I do not think now the look it's that I should let me restate that it doesn't matter what I think we just want to go take a look at the charts. And so what we know is you've got a topping pattern on the weekly, a topping pattern on the monthly, a series of lower highs and lower lows on the daily timeframe. Obviously would have been on the other charts and it's in all major currencies out here. Now what gold actually did here we take a look from a daily perspective the left hand panel you're going to see the price ran into resistance at 1490 40 1490 40 was the center of its weekly profile and Justin, you're right. Gold may bounce even further. It may bounce up to 1512 90, but it doesn't take away from a series of lower highs and lower lows. And I think you've got to be patient. Now we'll take a look at bear gold because that's what Jim had written in about at first. So we'll take a look at that. Of course, I want to hear from you to 877 927 6 6 48 or Steve at TF and in dot com. We'll be right back. If you're not currently using the TAS profile scanner when looking at setting up your trading opportunities, then your arsenal is short. A mighty weapon. The TAS profile scanner is a standalone piece of software that instantly filters over 2500 global financial markets such as stocks, ETFs, commodity futures and forex headed by Steve doll has understands that in today's technological world, the use of top flight software applications and technical analysis expertise is essential to successful trading in today's market. 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Whatever the value of Stevie's Green Line is on a monthly time frame when that test unfolds, but you can write that down on a pad of paper. If we look at the weekly time frame chart out here, what do we know? We know that what Barrick Gold did was it confirmed a nice one to 1.618, 813. A to B equals CD to the upside. It confirmed that pattern with the big old bearish engulfing candle. That was the week of September 6th out there. Prices moved lower. There's no TD set up nine count pattern because the low was not formed on bar 89 or the bar following nine, which on my screen would be number one out here. But prices done this week and by the way, the pricing isn't being updated for some reason right now on my weekly chart. So it doesn't have today's data in there, doesn't matter. We can take a look at what it's done here for the week. And when it's done here for the week, it's it punched its way up and tested and as rejected Stevie's green line right around the 1766 level. So this suggests further price pullback. Now its price pullback would be to the breakout level of 1257. So you got a $3 difference obviously between that and what we're taking a look at on the monthly time frame. But you've got the weekly and you have the monthly that are pointing to a to a move lower. Now if we take a look at the three multiple time frames out here for bear gold, get a feel for what's going on right now. It is trading above the top of its daily profile and that 1703 continues to trade above 1703 bear gold. Well, it needs to close above 1753. That's the weekly center of its box. It's a bullish structured profile. I mean, the center at 1753 is much closer to the bottom, which is 1668 versus the top at 1922. And so what that tells us if on a weekly basis, you see a close above the center of the box because at the center, think of it like this, the center of the box is where the party is at. That is where everybody RSVP to you have both buyers and sellers that believe that bear gold is fairly valued at 1753. The buyers are lined up at 1668 and the sellers are lined up at 1922 currently they're sleeping. I'm just kidding. That's just a metaphor who knows what it was, but it these are what the lines represent out here. My experience is that when you see a close on a bullish structured box above the center, usually then buyers have gotten together and they've overrun those sellers because there's only sellers sitting right sellers and buyers, a small group of sellers, let's say or a group of sellers at the center and the larger group of sellers is at the top of that profile kind of makes sense. So right now on the weekly basis, saying and not so fast. You got the weekly test and rejection of Stevie's green line and price has not been able to close above the center of that weekly profile out there. So Jim, you know, I just think you've got to be patient. You've got to be patient. I haven't gone through and, you know, done the test to see what the correlation direction correlation is between bear gold specifically and the gold contract, but I'll assume it's similar. And so, you know, I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to give the waiting to the gold contract, but we just took a look at what bear gold is doing. And it's not like it's saying, hey, this is a breakout and one should jump on board. So for both of you, I hope that that really helps you out with regard to what gold what bear gold is doing with the charts at least are communicating. To you and I now, let's go take a look at that. No other questions that are on deck. So we'd love to hear from you at<PHONE_NUMBER> or send me an email steve at tfn.com. But let's go take a look at the general markets and try to figure out what's going on out here as Marvin Gaye might say or Stevie Gaye. You never know. Well, let's take a look at Marvin Gaye and Marvin would say, hey, speaking of the NQ, were we speaking of the NQ? Probably not. But speaking of the NQ, what it was doing today, well, here's what we were speaking of. We were speaking of the top of those profiles and how they act as buyers at the bottom, buyers and sellers in the center and sellers at the top. So we saw a countertrend rally so far, countertrend rally. It must be termed a countertrend rally. Of course you can term it anything you want. But where did price stop this morning? It stopped basically right at the top of that profile. How does that work? Well, 83-44, we know how it works. That is where sellers are. If this is more than a countertrend rally, if this is more than a countertrend rally, you need to see the NQ close above those sellers at 83-44. Now, it's not as if it is totally bearish out here either because price is trading with inside the box. A close below 82-53 would then say, OK, sellers are the ones with the upper hand out here. So right now what we see profile-wise inside the NQ, you know that sellers are up there. That's already been proven to you. If you're asking yourself why did the market begin selling off when it did at 7 o'clock this morning? 6 or 7 o'clock this morning, it's because the NQ had gotten up to where the sellers were at. And the NQ in a bullish market or a bearish market is typically going to be the leader, to the either the upside or to the downside. And so I believe that the NQ is the one that is most worthwhile to be focused on and watching as to what it might do out there. So yeah, this is what's going on inside. Now, if we take a look at the Dow, it's trading below the bottom of its box. This would say the Dow is targeting the twenty six seven forty eight twenty six nine oh nine. If we were only using market profiles, that's what we would say. That's what the charts would say because price below support of the daily. So where the weekly profiles while law we've got them, we see him and price will go down there. Now the Russell 2000 area right hand panel out here prices trading right now at the bottom of its profile level. That is sixteen thirteen and the ES mini it's trading in it's trading just slightly above the bottom of its profile of thirty ninety seven out there. So is the market bullish? Are they bearish out here? What what are they? Of course, it's always going to be dependent upon what time frame we look at. But let's take a look at a few other things out there and a few other things you know you and I you and I that's right. You and I we love that advanced decline oscillator reading inside the New York Stock Exchange. Now the general meaning of it. Let's just take a look at the general out here. The four star general says that when the advanced decline oscillator is below zero, which it has been below zero for a while out here right now it's trading at minus fifty six sixty two tells you sellers are in control. Now couple that with the bottom panel. The bottom panel is the spot volatility index and let me switch over might be easy for you to see if I switch to this chart. No, that's not the chart. I want to well let's come back here. Let's just come back here. Let's just leave it's the bottom. You can take a look at the top of the box. You see the fifty day exponential moving average is thirteen ninety nine that's referring to the spot volatility index right now it's trading at fourteen seventy. So as long as prices above that it says a lack of liquidity in the market. And this is when markets can move to the downside. So at this stage here. The New York Stock Exchange and the advanced decline oscillator reading for it are suggesting that bears are in control or sellers. The spot volatility is suggesting that sellers are in control. That would change if price closed over thirteen ninety nine. Let's continue looking at a couple of other tools to help us understand are the markets bullish or bearish or are they neutral. She wrote the T.F.N. and we'll be right back. I'm certain you are or strive to be one of the best of the best at everything you do in life. It's the most common trade that we tigers and we're the best when it comes to managing your money. Let me teach you to do what most wealth managers tell you can't be done which is how to time the markets. I'm Steve Rhodes author of Mastering Probability and for the last twelve months timer digest has been tracking my newsletter signals which have earned me the ranking as their number one market timer in the nation for the S&P 500 for the last twelve six and three months. Timer digest also ranks me as the number one market timer for gold as well. 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We understand why, or at least why we believe it lines up with the selling that took place earlier this morning inside the markets and it was the NQ bumping into resistance at the 2344 level. So it's neutral because price is trading in between its profiles right now out here. We know that in the New York Stock Exchange that it has got a bearish or sellers in control signal as well as a spot volatility mix. So you know at those levels to look at. But what's interesting here, let's pull over because we can take a look at the S&P and the Nasdaq 100. Let's take a look and understand what's going on there. The Nasdaq 100 what we'll see and if you just look at the upper right hand panel where you see the speed dials out here, you'll see the weekly is still bullish. Now bullish if you look at the speed dials you're going to see red, blue and green. Probably we should have done red, white and blue, right? But red, blue and green is what John decided on going with out here. It doesn't matter. Look here's the reality if it's in red then it tells us that we've got a bearish crossover with a 60 minute time frame. You don't on the 240. You do on the daily. You don't on the weekly. Even the Nasdaq doesn't really know what in the heck it's doing right now. It's not consistent. It's not consistently bullish. It's not consistently bearish. It kind of like where price is trading in the middle of its profile out there. Well, how about the S&P 500? What is it doing out here? Take a look at the S&P 500. Well, what we're going to see is this is even more confusing. The daily is the one that is bearish they're still in bullish configurations out there. So this is a market. This is a sign. This is signals here of a choppy marketplace which in essence is really what we've got going on right now. And that was the profile I think showed that to us when we took a look at the NQ out there. But here there's no consistency of a message. We take a look at because if the market was really bearish out here I understand the 60 minute we take a look at the S&P 500 being green little counter trend rally trying to unfold and so forth. The daily being bearish the 240 should still be bearish and it's not out there. And so something to think about what do you think about? You think about where's the spot bottleneck trading when it comes to the day's end and where's the NQ trading when it comes to the TAS profile out there. What else? So it was the 60 minute. Let's go take a look at the 60 minute NQ out here that was still bearish. Let's take a look at it. The second reason why price did what it did this morning. Again, we're looking at the NQ forms a nice TD set up roads momentum indicator bottom pattern does this on Tuesday to Wednesday. Does it at 10 o'clock in the morning December the third out there. Then what unfolds? Well price makes its way all the way up to singing in the key of G and where does it pause when it gets up to wave number 7 where price had broken down. Where did it break down? Well that was brought to us by that TD 9 count 83, 36, 50. Are you kidding me? You get to wave number 7 you get right up to resistance on a 60 minute time frame just as the NQ on a daily basis running in resistance where their sellers are are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding you. I'm just reporting to you what the charts are communicating to us out here and price right now is below the bottom of its box on a 60 minute time frame. Now if price decides to do something different because it can do whatever it's going to do I can't control it you can't control it well you can control it because you can just keep buying and you can push it up that way but other than that right we really can't control it but if price were to close above 83, 36, 50 that would be at least on the short-term basis saying price might want to run to 84, 54 but if price were to close above 83, 36, 50 that would be at least on the short-term basis and if all that happens well price would be above the top of its daily profile wouldn't it and that would put it into bullish configuration so there's the NQ there's the markets what else with regard to the markets can I share with you and I don't know what else it would be so let's just go to more questions we've got a question inside the Tiger's Den from Satish that wants to take a look at SPGI let's go take a look at SPGI global ink now Satish today's kind of interesting for you interesting for you with regard to this ticker symbol because price is right now trading at 271 and the top of the box which is where the sellers are at is at 2783 so if this is just like a counter trend rally hard to say it's a counter trend rally when this is in essence at all-time highs out there but you kind of know if price is going to find resistance it's right here right now that's what the daily timeframe says now the weekly timeframe says hey not so fast I'm above resistance of course the week is not over it's only Thursday so we don't know where it's going to finish tomorrow and that was a 266.50 and on the monthly timeframe it's above the top of its monthly profile so no resistance out there so let's go take a look at the other chart patterns let's pull over price moving higher doing less relative energy paying not a big deal see here it was doing that as it was forming that TD set up nine count was bar number eight that made the high this is back in September what did price actually do during the month of October as it was reaching bar number nine making bar number nine was testing support the first level of support Stevie's green line out there so that held so this is still bullish not bearish even though it's got topping signals out here in order to really get uber bullish you're going to see you're going to need to see price take out from November and if it does that then that gives you satis the super uber bullish but right now it's even the monthly still has a topping pattern in place two topping patterns in place but price is not being able to break through support on a monthly basis that is Stevie's green line we go take a look at the weekly time frame the weekly time frame again price trade above the top of its profile but it's suggesting just caution price moving higher doing less relative energy if there were to be a bearish reversal candle that would form that would be easy because last week's candle was a doji you'd have that so just as careful caution still bullish message out here as we speak right now on both the week well the both of them say caution that's it just caution not sell not sell not short just caution if we take a look at the daily time frame this thing tops with a TD set up nine count pattern it's bar number eight out there price tries to push its way down to support which would have been 56 area 256 24 or 250 237 never made it down there so satish are you asking me to draw a conclusion here you got careful on the weekly careful on the monthly the daily has a topping pattern a confirmed topping pattern which as it stays in place unless the actual all-time high gets taken out so I hope that helps you out with regard to ticker symbol SP GI that is the S&P global ink out there I believe there's another question that came and you're welcome my pleasure happy to help out another question coming in from sorry I have to turn away from the mic out here the Roku so this is coming in from not sure what's coming in from but the question is can we take a look at Roku from an intraday perspective expecting a four to five dollar down move out there so Roku pull over Roku pull over my my little tool here that I'm working on still not complete out here but here just in Roku take a look at all the intraday timeframes you might look at on something to trade for six and a half hours no top or bottom signal when it comes to the TD nine counts out here Steve Rhodes with TFN we'll be right back we'll take a look at the charts on ROKU of course I want to hear from you too if you're in the CD market and looking for a secure investment the Tiger first mortgage program may work for you the security for these first mortgages are building lots in the tax opportunity zone in St. Petersburg Florida the tax act of 2018 set up tax free zones across the country where you can build and hold for ten years and pay no tax on the profits which makes these lots valuable the investment of 3.1% a $50,000 investment at a normal four-year 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there but what price is doing I'll just continue on here price is trading below the bottom of its daily profile 151.78 so if price closes below that today stays below that then would suggest that you could have a further down move out here the down move on a weekly basis that price would run into $5 that you are looking for out there in the den just confirm that you guys can hear me I know there was a slight system problem here an interconnection problem we hear you that's great so here's what I'm going to do I've got these so those of you that have listened to the show you know when someone calls in or writes in and wants me to take a look at inter-day charts of hours that I'm a real big proponent in looking at information equally so to speak equally that's not really what but from a timeframe standpoint so all you have to do is take 390 minutes and start dividing it to figure out which ones have equal timeframes well if you do that you end up with a 15-minute timeframe a 65-minute timeframe a 30-minute timeframe and 130-minute that would be three different 20 why use 120 why use 120-minute timeframe for an instrument that trades six and a half hours 130 minutes will give you three equal bars out there well look I don't know the answer to that if we take a look at the 30-minute timeframe chart out here I've got a potential for wave number 7 letter G out there prices trading in between its profiles 83-52 84-34 support here on a 30-minute chart is at 82-47 that is the 50-minute timeframe chart shows the roads went to indicator top that was price moving higher doing less relative energy in order for this to be able to signal to you on a 50-minute base that price wants to move lower price must break through support 83-53 traded 83-90 before I put on that put trade I'd sure like to see a break through a level of support that would then be able to move higher the 65-minute chart out here I don't have a topping signal but price is trading above the top of its profile straight above Stevie's green line that's bullish out there in the short term and then our 30-minute timeframe if price found resistance it was right at its breakdown level the breakdown level was 84-50 no topping signal out there even though found resistance is still trading above Stevie's green line at 83-30 and so on the intraday charts out here even though we've seen a couple that have got some short-term topping signals nothing has broken through support and I think that's what you would like to see especially if you're doing this using puts you'd want to do it anyways doesn't really matter out there I tell you so or saying so best of luck on that trade give me a moment here folks to see if there's any emails that have come in let me just click I've had to there we go let's see I hear you okay we got so that that's good okay but that was okay so okay so good so I've gotten through all of the questions the numbers were not Roku what do you mean oh geez thanks a lot Mr. good thing to have wingman it was not Roku it was exas well folks I apologize we're going to have to go through this process here because I've got to give out the right information thank goodness thank goodness we've got somebody actually paying attention to one person paying attention okay so here we're okay so now we're on the 130 minute timeframe chart you've got a price of trading below Stevie's red line that's at $149.98 the price stays below that well it really needs to get below $148.33 that's the top of its profile out there let's look at a 65 minute timeframe 65 minute timeframe made a nice Rosemont Dominicator top makes a nice TD 9 count bottom it's now made a TD 9 count top out here but price 82 141.82 is the key level that is a breakout level on a 65 minute chart if we take a look at the 30 minute timeframe we'll try to do that if I get my mouse here working right where's the mouse there's the mouse where's the mouse there we go I say 30 minute I think I did say 30 minute come on there we go 30 minute timeframe what do we have out here I got nothing nothing with regard to a top look at that 15 minute chart 15 minute chart Rosemont Dominicator top out here it doesn't look like I've got the 15 minute oscillator and change line does it so let's go get that give me a moment here golly sorry folks the old mice here is not let me see here do I have no I've got a 30 minute no wonder it looked all squiggly so let's get here's the deal so on a 15 minute if you want to get really granular which I think you do you want to see price close below on a 15 minute basis 148 40 I'd say like to see that for two bars that is the support level which has been tested over the last half hour to sell and if price is able to move below that then you're 140 405 there's your four dollar figure that you are looking for that was Roku my bill I can't pay attention to those charts and letting me know that it was actually ticker symbol exas that we were looking at versus Roku but we did get Roku in so what's next out there anybody have a request the phone lines are open of course we just have the two minute wrap coming up in about 30 seconds well 30 seconds when we go to the breakout there is a lower low today in terms of pounds in terms of US dollars just trading in between a consolidation area basically the top of the consolidation the 161 and the bottom around 157 22 that's the bottom of its daily and weekly profile out there it's daily and weekly profile and that's the key level close below 157 22 suggest another excuse me but that's what you'd be looking for we'll be right back since 1984 Basil Chapman has been using the Chapman wave methodology to advise traders of his expert market opinion well originally hand drawing charts from the late 1970s into the 1980s Basil noticed that prices under most circumstances virtually always had a certain number of legs to the upside before declining sharply later Basil the standard market technical indicators enhance the degree 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of course I'm always talking to myself but then I would really be talking to myself and I don't want to talk to myself I'd really like to share this with you and here's this chart here's the Dow equity futures contract and so we take a look at Stevie's horizontal green and red lines the TD 9 breakout and breakdown levels green lines are the breakdowns red lines are the breakouts and when you make a top which the Dow did the Dow equity futures contract the role of sellers is to see if they can bust out support and we know that Stevie's red horizontal lines are support it's where price broke out it is a cool tool prior to having this tool prior to utilizing this I would have been using the only other thing that I had for a breakout looking for a wide ranging bar with volume or looking at the previous swing point that's not interested in old information we're interested in tools here that help us identify support and resistance here's what the Dow did it moved back it tested and rejected 27337 that was a buy the dip area but we've got topping signals who is winning this tug of war and I'll tell you 156 in the afternoon I don't know it's more neutral than anything else Dow equity future a close below 27337 the whole scenario folks stay tuned two more great hours coming up your favorite polar bear David white Tom O'Brien from three to four and Stevie son we'll be back with you tomorrow from one to two have a terrific Thursday look forward to seeing you then


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Our next guest is Dwight Barron, Chief Technologist for Hyperscale Computing. Dwight, great to see you again. We were talked yesterday. Step up to the microphone. We're here inside the Cube, our flagship telecast. We are here for a special exclusive post-event moonshot project announced by HP this morning. Wall Street Journal, Reuters, all the major press was here. We're doing a special edition Cube where we are going to do the commentary and analysis to break down what this means. It's a new announcement for HP, and I'm here with my co-host, Dave Vellante. Dave, what's your take so far before we jump in with Dwight? What's your feeling? Well, Dwight, we've been talking all day about how this feels like a bigger inflection point than even, say, Prince's Blades, which is obviously a big deal, drove a lot of revenue, pods, kind of evolutionary. But this feels like it's a major sea change, consumerization of IT really driving into the data center. So we're interested in the sort of secret sauce and value add that HP brings, right? It used to be in the old days, oh, you'd do a processor and an operating system, and that's really changed. You guys have proven that you can make a lot of money doing other things and building other values. So maybe talk about that a little bit. Yeah, or you mentioned in Blades, and as part of the team that worked on the Blades and that transition. And it caused us to look at a larger scope of the problems, right?  We integrated more of the solution. We brought in the connectivity. We looked at the management and the pieces and solved a lot of the problems that we were creating and to help customer scale up and on enterprise workloads. I think in the four or five years that we've been in the hyperscale business when we started incubating that, we've learned a lot and it's taught us to look at the whole problem from a data center level from a, you know, started two megawatts or two and a half megawatts of power and work backwards from there. How do you, how much energy goes into cooling? How much goes into the IT equipment? How do you cut the cooling cost out, right? When we started this few years ago, we were burning two watts on cooling for every watt. We were burning on IT equipment. Now with pods, we barely burn over just a fraction of a watt for every hundred watts that we put in IT equipment. So we've learned a lot by being in this business and looking at the holistic problem. So pods actually clearly swung the pendulum of the PUE. Does this new architecture maintain that or does it swing back the other way and you have to bring pod-like thinking in to maintain that? What we've learned with the pods and looking at the data center level is we got a tremendous amount of improvement in a quick amount of time. Now we need to go look at, well, what's left over, right? The IT equipment itself. How much work are you getting done for every watt you put in the IT equipment? There's no more wasted watts going into the cooling. Very, very little loss is going into the power distribution. So now we're going to look at, well, what's the IT equipment? How much work are we getting out of it for every watt that we put in? Finally, attack the real problem. The real problem is the low-hanging fruit. So I want to take us back to a kind of a higher level conversation around the evolution of microprocessors. We were talking earlier, Dave and I, about when we were growing up in the computer business, the PC was very disruptive to the Unix and marketplace and you had 8086 and obviously the X86 going up through that. And that spawned Wintel desktops and then servers came out after kind of first generation. Why is this announcement, and you mentioned you learned a lot. So when you looked at the problem, X86 is a phenomenon that grew up kind of the legacy, if you will. And all kinds of talk about the PC is dead and they talk about that more like a desktop being at a queue when you have mobility. So when people think about ARM, which is a big part of this announcement, Dwight, they think about the benefits of mobile. And people can see that today when they have an Android phone, which is an iPhone, one's got better battery than the other, ARM is a big part of that. What does that speak to about, one, this new evolution of microprocessors and this is a server announcement. So you don't, people tend not to put mobile chipsets, technology into a server discussion. So what's your take on this, you know, PC to servers, mobile angle? Can you just elaborate it from a technical perspective? Sure, and you know, so we start with the premise of, gosh, we've got to get more computing done for less power, right? And we look around and we say, well, what's the leading technologies that know how to get the most amount of computing done for the least amount of power, unless battery powered things, right? It's, battery life is finite. Everybody wants smaller, thinner devices. If anything, they want a smaller battery and they want more computing done. They want richer webpages. They want it rendered faster. So if you, that's the area that we see as the hotbed of really the, it's so deep in the DNA of the designs that for every transistor we lay out, we're gonna lay it out to do the most amount of work for the least amount of power. And when there's no work to be done, we're gonna not burn power. And so it's really coming from the mobile devices, the client devices, and that could be, you know, you think of laptops, you think of tablets, you think of smartphones, but it's that heritage that comes from the mobile devices and the battery power that's making these great strides and how to get the most amount of computing. So what's the trade-off there? Well, the trade-off is the peak speeds that you get in the transistors that you lay out. Don't go up to the top end of the high-speed transistors, but, you know, we learned a long time ago, five, six years ago, that the incremental benefit of speed versus power was not worth it, right? It was, so we held the clock rates back and started going to more cores. And so the clock rates have stayed modest in terms of what the silicon processes can do. And so now you can actually dial the cores back and, I mean, dial the clocks back and for a certain amount of power, you can get more work done. What's interesting, Dave, is that, you know, the analogy of mobile driving this new server architecture on PCs drove the wind-tell server. I remember those days when the first Intel server came out, it was essentially a 386 and a 486 processor from Intel.  The land server. It was laughed in the market, but it had a specific use case that was serving local area networking, Novel in those days, right? And evolved. So to me, I think this announcement is very similar in the sense that this hyperscale announcement, we heard use cases specifically around cloud and big data, may look narrow, but if you look at the growth of what happened in the server business with x86, massive growth to blades. And blades was like the glass ceiling from what we're hearing. So this is, so take us through your vision and do you see that the same way? Yeah, we've been through a client-to-server transition before, you know, with the, in the desktops. And the real interesting thing to me is the servers that evolved were, you know, reflected what the clients were doing. The clients at the time were doing personal productivity spreadsheets and the servers at the time were holding the spreadsheets, the file servers for them, the print servers.  But they mirrored what the clients were doing, which was business productivity and communications. Today in the mobile space you look at these new class of clients that are coming out and people are doing a whole different set of things within their communications devices, their information devices. So I think that as we transition those client architectures that are being used in these mobile devices into the server space, that there's a lot of things that they can reflect of those clients and the new workloads and new applications that will develop just because of the client environment that we're serving with them. Now that's not necessary for success because today on the internet, you speak internet protocol and anything can speak to anything. But when you start thinking about what could be enabled in a client device, if you think about pushing state to the cloud from your client device, here's the stuff I'm interested in. This is the context. This is the valuable bits that mean something. And now can I have those bits pushed up to the servers? Can I have them pushed anywhere, anytime, anything I log into? Well, today we think of that as maybe data. Some address book entry or a picture or a note that you jot down. But what if it were the app itself? What if your mailbox that's running on your client device when you're not looking at your mail? So more power's going to the cloud, obviously. More power, yeah. More power's gonna push to the cloud and the cloud needs to have data centers. Push it up there, let the app run there for a while. They've got more resources, they've got more data access, they've got more bandwidth. So there's two major trends we're watching, obviously at the edge of the network meaning the device, the endpoint, is the user and that mobile desktop tablet, whatever they got to now a cloud environment which is more SaaS, platform as a service, infrastructure as a service. How is the role of new elements in the architecture that we've been hearing systems view, Dave, you know, SSD with flash, right? Enabled a lot of more integration. How is that gonna change that evolution, how fast? Is there a Moore's law like effect in that market? And how do you look at it as a technologist? What are you watching in that emerging hardware area? Well, so clearly the solid state memory, the things with flash and things HP Labs is working on called memoryster, all of the category of persistent memory that are electronic that have a mixture of properties. They remember stuff when you turn the power off but they're accessed electronically and they're fundamentally silicon devices. That's creating a new kind of middle ground between DRAM memory and rotating media. And of course we all see it in the portable devices that we carry around with us. But again, back in the server end of it, a lot of the information and the time you wait on information and the power spent to store information is in rotating media. And we believe in the next few years. We've already seen a huge transition to basically all of the what's called random IO, the things you gotta move the mechanical disk head around and wait a few milliseconds for. A lot of that is already going to solid state media and the answer has come back in a thousand times faster, microseconds. But the capacity stuff, I got a gigabytes of files. Well, it's still cheaper to put that on magnetic media but even that's gonna move to solid state. Within your environments that you're talking to your customers and or the HP Labs guys you talk to you probably have some insight into kind of these emerging use cases. Share with us your vision of your experiences either anecdotally or specifically the big data phenomenon. How real is it? I mean, I'll see, we cover it. We have an opinion on that. How does it affect all this equation? Oh, it's huge. I mean, the customer experience that's enabled by big data knowing what you want, when you want it, trying to lure you into buying it, figuring out how you're gonna pay for it later. All of that is built on personalized big data analysis. It's basically the financial model that's driving all the commerce driving the websites. So that part is huge. I mean, it's already here. Now the question is how do the rest of us get it and how do enterprises get access to the data we see that happening. So we think a lot of growth in these same tools and techniques that the web companies are using to look at what their customer trends are. So basically big data is coming to the business. It's already there. It's already here. It's here. And this is the kind of machines that they want. This is the kind of purpose-built, big data and powerhouse machine. You need to nail and head purpose-built. It's like, how do we optimize not only the compute architecture that goes with it, but the whole package, the solution, and make it easy to consume and fit it in there in the framework that the customers know how to deal with? Well, if they have any more questions, I have one kind of different question, kind of change gears, because we love to get guys chief technical guys on theCUBE to talk about trends. But more importantly, one of the things we're passionate about, Silicon Angle and Wikibon, is a new generation of computer scientists and engineers, whether they're data scientists or actually programmers, hardware, and software. And the business disciplines are changing from a personnel standpoint. Could you talk about the new requirements? Because we're talking about jewels. We're talking about power. We're talking about chip level, double E electrical engineering type discipline, but it's also a little bit of computer science. For folks out there who are in the younger generation, what would you advise them and share with them about the kind of curriculum or expertise they would need to learn to master and have a career in this area? Yeah, I think the biggest thing that's most important is to realize that almost every problem that we tackle today is a multi-disciplinary approach. You know, we started off talking about the biggest challenges in advancing the state of computing in a data center. Turns out to be the air conditioner. So, you know, I've partnered with the ITT Technical Institute, and it's gonna be graduating some serious engineers.  What are they talking about? So when you say in college, I'm never gonna use this, you know what? Actually, you could use it. But it truly is a multi-disciplinary approach to the problems. It's the hardware, the software, the mechanical engineering, both from a packaging. You know, even the electrons will be, we'll be converting them to photons very soon. And the primary communication means when you think about chip to chip, it won't even be electrons anymore. So, that's a lot of deep physics and a lot of work there. So, I think the biggest thing is, you know, study what you love, do what you love.  But learn how to be a partner, learn how to team, you know, and I know many of the colleges and curriculums are really, really encouraging teamwork and cross-disciplinary work. And we're encouraging them to do that because, you know, there's the individual. Some creativity that if you're too piqued on one topic, you might not see a solution that might require just a little bit out of the box. Yeah, just looking at, you know, I've seen this time and time again in my careers. You know, people would get siloed looking at a problem just from one dimension, can't, you know, tackle the problem nearly as effectively as a multi-discipline team and, you know, wrestle it to the ground from multiple dimensions. I'm interested from your standpoint to what is a technologist on the concept of differentiation.  Be first. There's the ecosystem. You talk about packaging and the platform itself that you guys are building. What are the ways in which you see, as HP, adding value, providing differentiation and ultimately being able to drive a profit out of this business? Well, let's first start with, have yet to walk into a customer visit and they go, hey Dwight, all my problems are solved. You can go home. Here's a check. I'm ready to buy this and I don't have any more problems than need solving. So there's, A lot of pain. A lot of problems out there to be solved.  There's more problems to be solved. I've always subscribed to the theory that if we can help our customers lower the cost of delivering a transaction to their customer by an order of magnitude, they've got two orders of magnitudes, more things waiting in the wings that are now profitable to deliver as business transactions. So you think about how much richer the websites have gotten. That's a business transaction. How much more they put into building a website or a e-commerce site or for you. And that's because we made them cheaper to deliver over time. So behind that comes increased complexity. It's increased nodes. So managing it, decreasing the complexity, making it reliable, making the parts show up on time when they're supposed to and operate reliably. It's a tremendous amount of opportunity to add value here for our customers. So we've got somebody who actually Skyped in a question. Will the applications developed for mobile clients move to these new servers in the same way as the Microsoft client moved to Windows servers? In other words, is this the end of the Microsoft Intel duopoly? What's your take on that? No, I don't, well, so first off, this isn't the end of anything Intel. This is, the beginning of everything HP. It's the beginning of a new round of experiments. And we're gonna start with new hardware and a new server architecture for the software that exists today, right? So. Open source in particular. Open source, you know, web servers and things. It's just a, it's only four or five categories of applications that we think are good candidates to start with. But we've done our homework there. We've done quite a bit of homework over the last two or three years in measuring these things and building models and benchmarks. So we think those will have a high degree of success, right? So, you know, software and hardware when you're trying to build something new is always referred to as chicken and egg, right? So today's software is the chicken and then we'll start with a new hardware. Well, you guys are putting this out there today.  But, you know, it's a use case that's really relevant with big data, as you mentioned, and cloud is bursting out at the seams. I mean, technically, there's issues. You know, I mean, growth issues, challenges. And it's a new generation. So it's like, literally, move from that, like PC to servers, now mobile to new kind of servers. So to me, I think it's a really good vision and I totally think that's what the market needs. I mean, you know, we know a little bit about the data as we're doing our own little Hadoop stuff and we know what it costs. I mean, it's $600 to buy a box, pizza box, cheap. But I don't need three quarters of the stuff in there. I'd love to have four of them in one smaller box. So the market's changing and, you know, if you can deliver performance at that level, you know, it's a winner. And again, obviously the ecosystem's huge.  You kind of didn't really answer the question because it sounds like it's just getting started, which makes sense. Yeah, and, but we'll use today's software to build and support a new round of hardware and then as that hardware gets established, then a new round of software will get established. I mean, we're hearing that. There's a tsunami of developers out there that have grown up on a new, younger generation that's like, I called third generation open source that, you know, we just, we covered the passing of the guy who invented C recently and you know, that was a lot of the early guys talking about that, but really two generations away and you have these software guys that they don't really have any insight into port configurations, a lot of the stuff that goes on at the network level. And so all they do on is code and they're coding on open source. So portable porting code like that is really key. And if they can have a programmable web on top of it, I think that's a great foundation. Okay, Dwight Barron, thanks for joining theCUBE. First time chief technologist.


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Yeah, we've got a bunch of questions coming in the questions while this is going on. Is that too loud in the background? Not really. I think we're good. Great. So two questions that are quite as similar. One is from Anirban. He's asking why do microwaves defrost function are they just melting the ice. A very similar question from. Let me read it out. Where is the chat? Again, why do Where are the Yeah, why is there a top button? What what is happening there? Yeah, so to go back to the defrost function, you know, why do you have a defrost function that's, you know, some microwaves have a way to slightly change the power. The Panasonic has a patent on that, but mostly it's to just again do this cycling thing. So it essentially puts it at low power and then does it for a longer time. Right. And then some of them are programmable or program that, you know, after the initial things where there's a longer time between the on and off cycles, then it, you know, the time between those cycles are less. Yeah. What was the other question. Yeah, the same thing. What is the thought. Another question from Gopal Chandrasekram, who says, I've noticed these hotspots, but putting fire problems in a circle they always start repeating up at the same spot. That's essentially because, you know, the where the nodes are in the microwave and it's not, you know, distributing the microwaves evenly throughout. And so, so that's why it's actually good to sort of map the hotspots in your microwave. So how do you so one way to do is, you know, not have it just straight at the bottom, have it slightly higher up. So let me take this out. It should be ready. And so this here. And so here's the chocolate cake. It may not look very pretty. Sometimes you can just have it in your in the mug itself, but just give it a little bit of time, because it's still steaming. But in here, as you see, you know, right here in a few minutes, you can, you can make yourself good chocolate cake, you can make it pretty by putting some chocolate mousse or whatever flavor you want on it. Any other questions? Yeah, we've got a question from Kunal Aidyan. Sure. Kunal is asking, is cocoa like chocolate bar without listening? Oh, yeah. So that good question. So why do you have, you know, you know, all of these things, you know, so a good bar of chocolate, right, should have cocoa. Actually, you know what, let me, let me do this. I don't know if you can see this now. Maybe not upside down. So good bar of chocolate. Actually, you know what, sorry, let me just go back to my slide over here. A good bar of cocoa has cocoa solids, sugar, cocoa butter, right? And so the amount of cocoa solids, it has, you know, 55% or 75%. That's what that comes from, right? The other thing it and that is actually extremely bitter, right? So the more you have, that's why that's bitter chocolate. It has more percentage of cocoa solids. And then you have cocoa butter. So when you have chocolate, actually it's cocoa butter and cocoa mixed back together, right? That way you can control how much of those cocoa solids you have. Now, the separation of cocoa butter from cocoa solids is actually very energy intensive, which is why it's, you know, expensive, you know, besides the sourcing, it's very energy intensive. And that's why cocoa butter is also very expensive, which is why some, you know, cheaper chocolates are not such great quality chocolates use other fats, you know. But cocoa butter is fantastic because of its properties, its melting properties, it melts at, you know, about 37, at least one of the forms of cocoa fat melts at 37 degrees, which is your body temperature, right? The real, you know, when you say melt in the mouth, deliciousness, that's where, you know, cocoa butter is really good at, right? And so that's what cocoa solids are compared to cocoa butter. So, and then you have less than there to keep all of these things mixed together. So a good bar of chocolate should have nothing else except these, you know, cocoa solids, cocoa butter and sugar and then whatever, maybe some vanilla or something. So if you're having white chocolate, for example, that's mostly just fat. It's mostly cocoa butter and sugar and maybe vanilla, right? It doesn't have the cocoa solids. Of course, you'll have some faint traces of cocoa, but otherwise it's, you know, it's just the cocoa butter or the cocoa fat. Does that answer your question? And any other questions I'll be happy to take? Yeah, we've got a couple of questions. Sure. Actually, so Gokul Tandasekharan asks, how much to change the weight of other solids if I remove the egg? And while you're answering that, you can probably also answer. Bebas who's asking, when we make eggless mug cakes, it gets stuck on the mug wall, why didn't yours? It came out just like that. Does the egg play any role or is it the amount of oil? No. So I mean, if you want to prevent it sticking to the mug you're using, and it also depends on the kind of mug, how porous or not it is. You can just put a little bit of oil, you know, in the mug before that. You can make eggless. You just have to, you know, play around with, you know, you can add more milk or whatever it is to have some protein content which kind of binds and keeps things together. Otherwise, you know, these are sort of, this one I kind of optimized for an egg, but there are a lot of eggless mug cakes as well. And in terms of sticking, it's just, you know, again, depends on the material of the container, how porous it is or not, which is why I like this glass one, because it doesn't stick so much compared to some of the porcelain ones. Fantastic. Sachiko, I hope I got the pronunciation right. Sachiko asked, what is the right amount compared to the cup so that it's not overflow? Is that the right answer for this? Yeah, so I mean, again, that depends on the cup. So in fact, my daughter likes to make mug cakes. I didn't put that picture a few days ago. She just made it. And she likes to use this cup. And even this one you can see then. So the other advantage of this cup, as you can see, it's flared this way, which is nice because then it doesn't kind of overflow that it has some space to expand as it goes up. And frankly, I'll tell you, you know, if you make too much of the batter, don't put all of it in the cup, right? So yeah, I hope that answered your question. Yeah. So you've got another question. Nikhil Pereira asks, how does popcorn work in the microwave? What's happening there? Oh, I see. Yeah, so popcorn is actually interesting because it's, you know, it's dried corn kernel. And so, you know, there are some, you know, polar molecules in there and that gets heated in a small bit of motion. That basically, that's essentially what leads to that whole thing just puffing and expanding, right? I mean, if you think about why doesn't, you know, Aplum expand, right? So those, you know, whatever those spaces, again, so the one thing is water, but the other is also air spaces, right? The air spaces also will expand, right? Just with heat, right? And so that's basically what the expansion and then puffing is, right?  Super. Madhavi Sate asks, there are just too many buttons on the microwave, which I don't understand, ultimately use it only for eating food. Do you have an answer for this? No, that's actually a great question. So yeah, you're right, a microwave does have, you know, too many buttons. So all you need to know is, you know, it heats water very efficiently, then the microwave is actually very, it's fantastic for reheating food, right? And that's because it heats up water. So all you need to know is, you know, how long you want to heat it, right? And you either heat it at full power. If you want to heat it at a lower power, that's when you have things that are sort of non-homogeneous. If you have things, you know, stuff with different fats, you know, different fat content and different parts of it. Or, you know, if you have things that are very dense, then, because remember, there's also what's known. I didn't go into too much detail of that is penetration depth of the microwaves inside food. So once the microwave hits the surface of whatever it is, the food, then it's going to start, it'll get refracted and going towards the center of that, right? But it can only penetrate to a certain amount. And as I said, microwave, the wavelength is about, you know, 12 centimeters. So if you have thin pieces of food, those will heat up much faster, right? So actually, the buttons itself won't make that much of a difference. The only use, the other button that you want to use is the power button. So if you have things which have water, but also other kinds of things you just want to, or if you're, for example, rice and you're heating up other things and you splash some water around, you want to heat it at a slightly lower power, because otherwise the water parts will start boiling or overheating, while the rest of the food won't be that hot. So with these, I guess, three buttons, right? Power level button, and then time button, and then of course the on button. That's really all you need. Hopefully that helps. Lovely. So we've got the question from Dave. Dave Dixit asks, many bakers and baking enthusiasts prefer the OTG, they want us to build a conventional oven or conventional oven compared to the microwave. But there are things that the OTGs can't do. It's always OTG versus microwave. Is there any technology that involves both? Well, I think there are some hybrid ones you get in which, you know, it has a microwave function as well as, you know, it has other elements in there. So these are just two different technologies. If you think about a convection oven, essentially that circulates air also inside. It's like an air fryer, which is basically convection oven. But essentially, so if you have a standard oven where you just have a heating element, then that just is essentially also radiation except it's thermal, you know, infrared radiation. And then that heats up. So the heat distribution is not that great. And so by adding a fan or something, you have some circulation in there. And that's basically what a convection oven does, right? It has better circulation of the heat inside. The microwave works very differently in that sense. It's more efficient in directly getting the radiation to the food. But the only difference or thing you have to be careful there is it's very efficient in heating up water molecules or polar molecules, right? So depending on the kind of food. So it's hard to say this is better than that. Certainly the microwave is more energy efficient when it comes to heating up water and polar molecules. Otherwise, you know, depending on what you're heating up and how you're heating it's different. But a microwave oven, it's difficult to get brown things, right? You difficult to get browning and there's a lot of flavor in sort of the brown foods. And so for those purposes, sometimes some of those hybrids are useful. Hopefully that makes sense. Yeah, I'll actually add to that because at home we have this microwave, not right now in Bangalore, but back in Chennai. It's a combined conventional oven with a microwave and also a mode called a steam microwave. Basically, when it's running, if you fill it with a bit of water on the top, it just sort of pushes steam into the oven area. So I've used it to sort of reheat rice without losing dryness, without losing the texture. Are you okay, Naz? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I think I might cut out. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think having the hybrid is great, right? So you get both. Go ahead. Yeah. So we've got another question from actually two questions are coming back to back from Konal Waidya. Why can't all con kernels work for making popcorn? Or to put it conversely, why do they have special different popcorn making packets for microwave and other traditional cooking methods, I suppose? Also asking why aren't all porcelain months plates considered microwave safe? Oh, I see. Yeah, so a lot of questions. So yeah. Whereas the popcorn goes, you know, what different kinds of popcorn, why are they different, right? So one is, again, it depends on the variety of corn. So you can have different varieties of corn and depending on the content, both the starch and the protein and other moisture content within the kernel, they pop differently. And, you know, some are even bred for specifically for popping. So that's one aspect. The other question, which is very interesting was regarding the different bags you get for, you know, popping in the microwave and so on. Yeah.  You just close the top. You can put a, you know, just staple it. It's fine. As long as it's not too sharp, you shouldn't get any sparks or arcing. And then just put that in the microwave, right? That works. The other thing to, though, is there are actually a lot of containers for heating food designed specifically for the microwave, right? So even the packaging, the way the food is cut and the packaging itself, sometimes there are slight metallic or coatings or inserts within the packaging, maybe not just for popcorn, but other microwave packaging or microwave food packaging are designed in such a way as to reflect the microwave so that the food inside heats evenly.  They are packaged in such a way that the packaging itself leads to the food being heated much more evenly than if you say put it in. Also, remember, depending on the kind of container you're using, whether it's glass or porcelain or so on, that has its own thickness and sort of thermal conductivity and the way it, you know, works that will affect the food inside getting heated, right? Hopefully that answers that part of the question. The third part of the question or the third question was why do different containers have, you know, why are the microwaves safe or not? And that has to do, again, with the dimensions. So if you think about, you know, this is sort of a round dish, but if you have like a rectangular dish with corners, you'll always have more of the heat stresses in the corners and so on. That has to do with, again, the, you know, one is the material, but it's also how it's made. If it's porous, if there's something in there, then over time that will develop stresses, right? And so then that can, you know, over time, you know, the heat stress, you know, heating, cooling, heating, cooling, that over time can lead to, if there's any small defects, depending on how it's manufactured, leading to cracking and shattering. Some materials you cannot use in the microwave. For example, melamine, right? Melamine or melamine is actually a molecule which is similar to proteins that has nitrogen in it. It's a, it's polar and that's why you can't use it in the microwave, it'll start burning. It gets heated up. So there's different materials which react to the microwave radiation, whether they can absorb it or not. And that makes a difference in terms of what you can put in a microwave or not. Hopefully that answers that part of the question. Yeah. So Dave has a clarification. I think I understood Dave's question wrong. Me saying, Dave's actually saying I actually meant the standard oven and not the conventional oven. But is there a difference between convection and OTG? So can you just quickly clarify what's the OTG? Oven toaster grill. It's one of those little things that used to be very similar. I see. So yeah, so the standard oven is essentially just has a heating element, right? And it just depends on the thermal, the thermal, the radiation going and hitting the food and then that food slowly warming up, right? From the outside. A microwave is more efficient because it actually hits the, in terms of the transfer, the, the microwaves heat up the food. The convection oven basically has a circulation of the molecule, of the air inside. So it's a little bit more even heat distribution. So it's not just from one side and it's a little bit better. What did I miss? Yeah.  So if you have, so when you have an oven, the way you typically have an oven, it goes back to sort of the, again, the coal and other things or other heat. So ways to heat up your oven is you just have a heating element or whatever it is at the bottom of the oven, right? And then that heats up when you have a, what's a broiler that has a heating element on top.  And these are just different ways of putting the heat, heating elements into whatever that cavity or space, you know, in that sense, then the microwave is different. But otherwise those OTG and other things, it's just different ways of applying heat, you know, to, to, to whatever it is in there. In fact, if you take a saucepan or a pan, you can essentially simulate an oven by, by keeping it covered, right? If it's dry. And which is what a Dutch oven sort of does. It's a large thing with a heavy lid on top. This question from John was asking, there is a question in some quarters saying that using microwaves could be dangerous for health. Is there any truth in this? Are there any safeguards required? Right, so, so in terms of the, the, the, the, there are some, you know, nutritional concerns and so on, you know, which I've heard of other things, you know, it destroys the food and all that. Frankly, any kind of heating method, you're going to, you know, affect the molecules, right? So in that sense, frankly, because you heat foods for less time or you're exposing it to that much less. In fact, you in, it's more energy efficient, but also, you know, there are nutritional benefits to the microwave.  But in terms of, you know, you know, damaging your food and so on, it's not really any different from other modes of heating and cooking, right, in terms of how it affects the food molecules. Hopefully that answers your question. Yeah, I think that sort of does cover, you know, the question. We have a sort of fun question, I think you should be able to answer this from Nandita was asking, do chemistry professors drink coffee in a Pyrex beaker all the time. No, this is my morning coffee. It's the morning. These are, these are, these are actually more useful for a cake. I drink in whatever I have available. Do we have more questions people you go on for another 10 minutes and then we'll wrap up if you've got something. Actually, I wanted to ask you when you talked to me with the hydrogen bonds, if you can explain a little more, because you know, just a little bit more because I some of it went a little bit over my head also. So I didn't want to go too much in the chemistry, but since you asked, let me see if I can line this up. Let me do one thing. Let me just take this off. So this was a slide I didn't show earlier. I thought maybe there's, oops, sorry. So this was a slide I didn't show earlier. And this is sort of a periodic table and you don't have to know too much about this and you know, there's like, you know, actually, all you need to know is that this is just an arrangement of the elements. And all it is is all the molecules, all the atoms want to be like the noble gases at the end, right? Oops, like the noble gases at the end. And so that's why carbon has four bonds and oxygen has two bonds. And that's why, you know, you have one carbon and two oxygen. So the other thing to know from the periodic table is everything to the right, except for the noble gas, everything to the right. And when you go up, those are more electronegative, right? So let me just put this on. So hydrogen bonding is the interaction between hydrogen when it's connected to a more electronegative atom. So electronegative atoms are the ones that are up and to the right, right? So the fluorine is probably the most electronegative. Where's the one before that? Oh, I don't have that slide here, sorry. So you have oxygen or a halogen will have hydrogen bonding. So you know that oxygen also has other electrons. So there's an interaction between the oxygen and the hydrogen on another molecule, right? Which is kind of attracting them together. Does that answer your question? So when you have lots of these hydrogen bonds, those weak interactions. So we say hydrogen bonds, but they're not bonds like covalent bonds in which which are sort of, you know, electrons shared between two atoms like hydrogen and oxygen in water. So the hydrogen bond is the small, it's not depicted in this, but it's between the hydrogen here, which is the white one and the red ball of another molecule. So when you put them all together, there's these very, very weak interactions, but you have so many of them that you need to overcome that when you want to boil, for example. Because when you boil, then the molecules, what's the difference between, you know, vapor and liquid? The molecules are much further apart than liquid water when the molecules are closer together. So to go from liquid to gas, you need to, you know, overcome all the interactions. And so you need to supply energy, which is, you know, by heat or whatever. And so water as a high boiling point, you have to supply much more energy because of all of those hydrogen bonding interactions that need to be overcome. Does that make sense? Yeah. That makes perfect sense. And that also explains why the microwave is a lot more efficient than, you know, the heating it with a stove or something else, right? Right, because then you're depending on conduction. Yeah. Fantastic. So I think maybe it's similar question Anirban asked earlier. Yeah, he says, can explain how an induction, I don't know, I know there's not exactly microwave, but do you want to explain how an induction works versus a microwave? Is there a major difference in this? Yeah, I know induction is different based on sort of a magnetic field and so on. So that's kind of different. To be honest, I'm not, I haven't really kept up with exactly how induction technology works. But it's a different way of heat transfer. It's completely different from microwaves in that sense. Okay, fantastic. CJ says, I have a teacher once who said using metal vessels in a microwave was okay as long as you don't touch the door. Is that true? So as you saw, you know, you can put metal in a microwave, you can put foil in a microwave. Frankly, you can boil an egg in a microwave. If you just put the egg inside the microwave, it's going to explode.  But you still might have some rupturing and explosion.  It's much more practical to heat up, to boil water anyway and heat up the egg that way. Or, you know, if you want to really use your microwave because it's more efficient heating water, you can boil water in the microwave and then, you know, put the egg inside. If you can, you can cover the egg, raw egg in the shell with foil and then put it inside that hot water and then continue to heat it. And then that will, you know, you can boil the egg. You can use metal. So the problem with metal comes in is if there are any sharp edges and then that's where then essentially a metal is a very good conductor of electrons, right? So there's a lot of sort of, let's call them free, somewhat free electrons or loose electrons, just because those metals tend to have lots of them. And so when the energy is incident on the metal, those electrons can get excited and they can, they conduct and metal is a good conductor. So if it comes to a sharp point and you have a lot of accumulation, then you can get arcing, right? And so then that's when you have sparks. But it doesn't have to be metal. So for example, if you take, you know, a grape and cut it in half, that's sometimes fun to do. Again, I'm suggesting these because I can show you these, but what's the fun in that?  But if you take a grape and cut it in half, just make sure you're careful. If you cut it in half, you can keep it together. You can see a little bit of plasma, the arc between the grape halves. So yeah, so metal in general is okay. You just have to be careful. I had some other bulbs, but I didn't put them in there because I saw in the bulb, some of them had kind of sharp parts. So I didn't think that that would be okay. Then you'll start getting arcing. But otherwise, you know, it's okay. Meaning you don't want to do it for a long time, right? And it's not normal in the sense that in terms of what's its intended use, the intended use is to heat up mostly water and other food, food like molecules. But in chemistry labs, actually, we do use microwave reactors because it's essentially, it's an energy source. That's all it is, right? So you just have to make sure you use it appropriately. Yeah. In fact, we have a question. It's not a question. I think this person missed the early part of your asking before you put the egg back in the microwave. You said something about removing the bulb, which bulb you were referring to. So just to answer that, Dr. Das was demonstrating how electrons worked inside a microwave and he did an experiment where he showed the bulb that was inside a microwave to sort of stimulate how these things move inside the oven. See, that's the bulb in the microwave.  I think it's a fun setup to a nice joke there. We have a connoisseur saying in induction stuff, we still have the dependency on conduction of temperature from bottom of the pan to the food and to the food. I can process heat from one part of the other. But in microwave, the food itself gets heated up directly. I think it is. Yes, yes, yes, of course. In the microwave again, you know, depending on the food, also the thickness of the food, the radiation hits the, the microwaves heated directly and heats up heats of the food. Whereas in induction, again, it's only what's at the bottom of the pan, you know, starts getting heated in that sense, it works similar to a stove top, right, except it's just a different way of delivering the heat. It's not a flame or an electric burner. It's an induction, you know, of that energy into the, into the bottom of the pan. Yes, that's correct. Thank you. So I think we've covered most of, actually we've covered all the questions that we've asked, and these people have more last minute questions. In which case we can take a couple more and then we can wrap up. Is Amal going to ask us a question? So I think we can sort of wrap here. Do you have any last advice or helpful tips for people? Oh, advice, helpful tips, you know, keep experimenting. It's always fun to play with your food in the sense that as long as you learn something from that. And of course, you know, make sure you do it in a safe way. Fantastic. Okay, so I think we'll wrap here. Thank you so much, Dr. Das. Thank you for coming on and doing this sort of multi-modal presentation, multi-media presentation. Yes, I'm sorry. My daughter's very excited to ask a question. Sure, go ahead. Yeah, you go ask your question. There is some other way of doing popcorn. Not only one way. No, there's lots of ways to make popcorn, right? You can make it in the microwave, you can do it on a stove, like in a pot. What way do you like to make popcorn? I'm mute. Am I mute? I can hear you, Dr. Das. Okay, yeah, so I was actually just asking Amal what way she likes. So there's lots of different ways. She's correct. Thank you for coming on and doing this. Amal, what are the ways do you like to make popcorn? I hear some typing on the chat. That's me and this. Okay, what way do you like to make your popcorn? I like to make it on the gas. Oh, that's excellent, because then you heat it up from the bottom, right? And do you get good popcorn that way? That's fantastic. So the other important thing in terms of whether you use microwave or not, ultimately you want to use something that you're comfortable with and that helps you get through your day. Okay. Do we have any more questions, people? Okay, great. All right, thank you everyone for tuning in and stay safe, stay healthy and have a good rest of the weekend or coming week.