The following is a presentation of TFNN. The Power Trading Hour with your host, David White. Call now toll free at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. Now, David White. Welcome all to another excellent edition of the Power Trading Hour. It doesn't matter where you're at as long as you're here at this time. The following takes place between 2pm and 3pm. And what do we have? S&Ps up 7 points, Dow's up 88, NASDAQ's up 40. Russell's up 3 tenths of a percent, up almost 8 points. And of course, crude oil up 32 cents, not much going on. Gold up another 11 bucks, good day, 1827, almost 1829, 1828 excuse me. Silver up 40 cents, 10-year bond up 3 cents, 148. And of course, a lot happened since Friday. I didn't think anything was going to happen with the bill over the weekend. You know, I didn't think about pass or no pass. I should have gone to the third option which is we'll shrink it by 60% or 40% or whatever they did and get it through. Bond market and the bond vigilantes not causing a hissy fit. The TLT has been sitting fairly well all morning. It started off about 148 at the open, 149-16 for the TLT. So above the danger zone for additional issues with the economy. We've had the Fed out, bloviating today. I think we'll have another Fed guy talking at about 230. But I think all those mute what's happening in the big time. And that is some big, big moves in some of these semi stocks. Not all of them, but certainly some of them. And let's go ahead and take a look at a couple of those right off the bat. I watched the AMD presentation this morning. No one was really looking for anything other than a lot of the same. But I have to say they blew it out of the park this morning going after the cloud infrastructure, web services business with their server processors, which have been less than 5% of the market for such a long time. But the new epic processors they're putting out are starting to find some acceptance. I think it was Metamucil, otherwise known as Facebook. Oh, Meta Platforms. Is that what they're calling themselves these days? Well, I'll continue to call them Metamucil. Said that they were going to be using them for some stuff. I don't know if that's faint praise coming from them. But a big move, of course, in AMD. And we've had three kind of rollouts this morning and one more tonight in that sector. Microsoft rolled out some new software this morning. I didn't look at it. I don't think that's a big move for them. It's a little bit. But certainly the one tonight to watch, or maybe even overnight, is Nvidia. They, you know, I didn't expect it from AMD. I don't think anybody did. A lot of people are thinking that Nvidia certainly has something. They're going to roll out tonight, especially on the GPU front. But we'll see. But maybe it's all been front run a little bit. But I think it comes out at four in the morning R time. But and then there's a replay later on it. So I doubt if I'll be up at 4 a.m. tomorrow watching it, or maybe it's tonight sometimes. Certainly not during trading hours, but keep an eye on that. But, you know, occasionally you can have some big stuff. As we said last week, one of the problems with people that continue shorting stocks that are going up is that they're going to get throttled, as they did with AMD today to see. Now, just give you an idea how bad people ate it today on AMD. I want to go back through and just look at the last week of shorting. And this is a fin run numbers. So you get them on a daily basis. You don't know how many people covered before the end of the day. But certainly it was in an uptrend. But you go back to the 27th one third of every day of every share was someone shorting it 35% the day after that 29% of the day after that 36% 39% 38% What do we have on Thursday? Let's call it 32% 30% on 35% on Friday. It just never seems to go well when everybody has the same idea. Generally I look for something else in the market when that happens. But you know what, it was one of those days where good news met the shorts and the shorts lost. I don't think there's anything more you can say about it other than that. We've got a lot of other stuff going on. I want to go ahead and talk a little bit about the history. And we'll get that out of the way and then we'll get to a lot of the stuff going on in the sit rep, which I haven't talked about. But should be interesting, especially in these larger big gap social media companies and others as it goes on and history rhymes. Don't really repeat. Then it's all just a little bit of history repeating. Well, it's rhyming, but we're close enough. I like the song. Okay, so what do we have for Histoire today? Well, it is on this day in 2007. Google introduces the Android platform. It's mobile operating system for cell phones based on a modified version of the Linux operating system. The first Android based phone would ship in September of 2008. By 2010 they were outselling about two to one over Apple, mostly based on price. But it wasn't too long before Samsung in 2012 really started to come along and start making at least phones technically that were a little bit better. By 2016, I was going to say that at least the hardware was on a part Apple. And right now, depending on who you talk to, you can probably say the software is probably 95% as good as the Apple iOS stuff without all the imperial entanglements of dealing with Apple's walled garden.  It would be dogs and cats living together in the sand, real wrath of God stuff. If anybody could load a program anywhere other than the iOS Apple store. We'll be back in a minute. We'll get to some of the other big things going along. Are you grinding in the market but seeing little to no return?  Learn to take the path of least resistance with David White's powerful trading newsletter. 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So probably pulling the plug since both of these people are on opposite side of the spectrums, certainly opposite sides of the aisle. Not uncommon to see that and then it go nowhere, but at least a couple articles I read over the weekend saying that this has about 70 senators in the bag already. So hey, the big idea these guys buying other folks out. If you're buying stocks that you think are going to get bought out by Facebook, Microsoft, Netflix, and others, Twitter, that may be a very short road going ahead. Certainly they've run into a lot of problems already in Europe, but legislatively would be very problematic. You might be able to fight through a particular regime in the White House, depending on which side you're at, but you get sued, go to court. Some judge is going to decide it much tougher when it becomes a legislative issue that hits the courts instead of just an executive order somewhere. As we said earlier, big moves in AMD and others even entails up 61 cents today, although they come out on the short stick of the AMD announcements today. In fact, even in video, you've got a little bit of a start to see a little bit of competition from AMD on the computer learning side. But again, tonight, they've got their GTC conference thing going on, so we'll find out over the night what's happening. But they really haven't announced a lot. I can think of about five things that they should be coming out. One is another new video card or series of video cards with PCI-5 on them, making them significantly faster. A new generation of memory, making them again significantly faster. And some other things, again making them significantly faster. And the question is whether or not they choose to show those tonight. I think we're probably going to get a hint of it. Again, there will be more video cards that we can't get our hands on, but things are slowly, painfully getting a little bit better in the video card business and getting those products to consumers with both Nvidia and AMD video cards. I'm more in the Nvidia camp mostly because AMD really doesn't have a lot for home programmers. They've gone after directly after Facebook and Microsoft and those folks making machine learning GPU and also TPU type products. Not much for somebody like me to use. If I had to buy a video card and even spend a little more money for a similar hardware, I'd probably still go with Nvidia just because they make the software available. IBM dropped a bit on Thursday. Wednesday, you had some issues in the court. Where is that? There it is right there. And it dropped on Friday after the discussions in front of a 3D judge panel about forced vaccinations. And thanks for the people that emailed. I brought up maybe a week or 10 days ago the fact that OSHA mandating vaccination has since 1970 lost 17 times in a row without anyone win. And actually in just maybe six or seven years ago lost again on bird flu. They found over and over OSHA does not have the ability or the legislative legal ability to force vaccinations. And of course there were some other things going on that same day. But over the weekend we got the word that there probably is an incredibly tough road for any forced vaccinations for companies above 100 employees. As it was put out on Thursday or Wednesday last week. So the big vaccine industrial complex as I call it now who would love to have all this stuff mandated because of course they're going to make some money on the deal. But like I said 10 days ago probably not going to happen. It is lost so many times in a row that there would have to be something very different to see that happen. And everybody heard the judges asking questions on Thursday bombed on Friday and probably not much more to think about today.<PHONE_NUMBER>. Email me a path at tfnn.com and of course you can always put a message in the den. Okay what else do we have here. I know we have some questions are ready. What do you think about the IBM spinoff IBM's trying to get mean and lean to go into the quantum computer division division and focus on that. It's not a bad time to start raising cash for IBM. They're going to need it as they go forward. IBM is one of the few companies that has turned the ship around three different times in its over 120 year history. I think actually it's more than that. I think they go back to 1890. But they've bet the farm on quantum computing as they move along they'll continue to sell stuff off. Kind of interesting that kind of interesting that that kind of kind of kind of kind of interesting. I haven't really looked at it that hard. 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He once insulted a Bozo senator with something rude, but hey, I'm pretty much copacetic with that. But the other thing he did was run a survey on his Twitter feed on whether or not he should sell 10% of his shares and of course it came in that way. I have no idea whether that was a valid thing or if he hired a bunch of people in Asia to click through and make sure that they all voted for him to sell up to 10% of his shares but probably not a bad thing to do. We'll also make Tesla somewhat more liquid than it is but certainly a big gap down in what I look for in a nice signal which is a break below, a hard break like this below the three by three, some playing around, get back up above it for a few days and then the next close below it is the one where generally if you had a big run like this you'd give a huge amount of it back. I'm not playing this nor did I intend to but if I get the signal I will not hesitate to pull the trigger on Tesla. I've made a bunch of money over the years by shorting it but not by shorting it when there wasn't a good signal. Anyway, a couple of things that was part of the other thing. John and the Den brings up that they're gonna start trying to deliver trucks to Pepsi. Very interesting. I'm gonna see exactly what they are building for Pepsi. Last I heard that half the truck's weight was batteries and I'm wondering if that changes at all. Now, if you're just going local, maybe not a big deal, over the road truckers have looked at the Tesla truck and found out that anything with a decent 800 mile range would of the 80,000 pounds of the truck, some 50 to 55,000 pounds of that would be truck and batteries. Only leaving about 25,000 pounds for actual freight. And maybe you're doing the right thing like shipping sealed air packages or other things like that. Maybe that'll work but for the most part probably not a good long-term business plan. If you're going local, maybe Pepsi doing this but they're hand, I checked during the break, hand assembling five semi trucks a week. I don't know if that's gonna make a big difference over time. The interesting part I thought was that they're not spending any money to build a production facility. It's all gonna be kind of the same thing they did occasionally which is to set up a bunch of tents and start putting together stuff. And I've worked on a couple of Teslas now. As I said during the summer I was helping somebody rebuild a Franken Tesla. That's one that they bought, flood damaged and one that caught fire and tried to make one good Tesla out of two. Very, I have to say I have to give very high marks to the electric motors and that kind of stuff. Making sure everything fit. Kind of low marks for the ones that I've worked on. Some things just go to nowhere. You see how fast they were in a rush to build some stuff. A big skid plate that had screws on one side not on the other and that was from the factory. So if I did get one I'd make sure and put it up on the rack and have them mechanic make sure all the screws were tightened and the gaps are right on the doors and all the other stuff. Cause they are in a hurry. I can't say that it's a wrong thing to do on a business venture because you're wanting to submit your incumbent place so you can fend off competitors as a customer. And that's why the Chinese are kind of mad at him. They didn't expect to get a product with a lot of problems and people are willing to look by it. Same thing that happened with Apple. Many years the phones had problems and everybody was just willing to dismiss it because they thought they were part of something bigger instead of actually buying a product and using it and being pleased with it. They think they're part of it. And I'm not one of those folks that thinks that me buying stuff makes me special. But you can almost do that. There is kind of a little bit of that.<PHONE_NUMBER>. So on Tesla, wait for another close above the three by three which I think we'll probably get. Somebody in the den this morning was asking whether they'd go after this. And I can't imagine that until he's done dumping that 10%, I'd probably want to have anything to do with it going long. The Rivians are coming out, the Ford F-150s. My guess is if, and once those start coming out, again, they've got a bunch of problems with chip shortages now. So a little bit, Tesla's a little, doing a little bit better because they already had stuff in the works. But eventually that stuff will start hitting the market. And I think, especially the Ford F-150, the Rivian, a lot of great ideas in that. A great concept car. I don't know if it'll be a great company, but a lot of neat features in that were well thought out. Don't think that Tesla's road warrior, Mad Max truck is going anywhere. I don't think more than a handful of people would want that, I saw. But yeah, that's just me. To to okay, we got some more stuff going on here. Okay, AMT Microsoft and FLX. Oh, we got it, something else I need to do.  First expiring somewhere at 4,700. Yeah, Netflix still going down. I'll think about that for a minute and get back with you on it. I did want to get to this. Oh, two questions I wanted to ask. As I call it, the metal Musilverse, but it's called the Metaverse. Everybody wonders what it is, no one really knows. It was actually came from a cyberpunk novel called Snow Crash back in 1992. And it's just where everybody wears reality goggles, no one works. It's all some kind of dream buildings, park signs. But very interesting where you have rules of three-dimensional space time or ignored, free combat zones where people can go and kill each other. It was kind of just what we have today, which is a game playground, but everybody was hooked up to fiber optic. Oh, if only I was and not hooked up to copper internet, but hey, you know what? People in Africa have real problems. I complain about having a 200 megabit per second internet connection and it's not fast enough.<PHONE_NUMBER>, email me at pathtfn.com. We'll be right back and get into what my next question is, is how did I make that call? I'm 4700 and we'll look at the charts. Are you in the market for buying or selling real estate in the Bay Area, including the surrounding St. Petersburg, Tampa and Clearwater markets? Tiger Real Estate LLC is a firm that has extensive experience in the Tampa Bay Area. Whether you're looking to sell your current property for maximum value or you're in the market for a second home or investment property, Tiger Realty has the experience across all areas of real estate in the Tampa Bay Area to help buyers and sellers make the most informed decisions across all price levels. 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And normally what you're gonna have on, especially as you get closer to expiration is something more that looks like this blue line, which has, it goes way above in the center in the center of normal distribution. And normally what they call the shoulders are really cut. But then when you go to the far outsides, this is what people call fat tails. That is that there's a very high probability that nothing happens. And we get an expiration of, what was it, 4,700? On Friday, yeah, in the S&P cash. But anyway, it was pointing right there and you get something that's almost as good as X marks the spot with a nice pointy thing that comes right up there. You come down and you have to go a very long ways before the curve starts balancing out. But they call this narrow shoulders in the distribution and that's called kurtosis. But you'll get something very pointy like that. Normally on Fridays around three, or excuse me, around 11 to 12 Eastern time.  We actually kind of have this right now into this morning. I basically said that the risk reward was flat. We're at highs. So could you get something? Yeah, but 85% of the time, you're probably gonna get what we got today, which is some kind of flat S&P. But I'm gonna say 85% of the time it's gonna do that and stick here. What most people don't talk about is these fat tails.  There's a very large chance that nothing happens and a very small chance that something very large happens. And that's what happens. So you get into it, you really gotta find something that would move the market. And generally, if you don't know what that is going in, you're probably not gonna see it. As I said, Friday, when the TLT was up two bucks, I don't think the market was looking for any. I didn't think anything was gonna happen, but certainly a vastly reduced spending bill was something that they could live with. And we continue to see that in the TLT today, 149.19. But you get something nice and pointy like that when you aggregate all the important puts and calls on the big leaders in the market and you know you're going nowhere or not very far. But I think I said when, I think we were at 47.15 or something on Friday, I said 4700 and 46.97 and change I think is good enough for government work. You can also have just one other thing and that is skewness. And this is what you have a lot of times in expensive stocks by price like Tesla or Amazon. And that is you get just one side of the bell curve. And sometimes it's on the high side, but almost always it's on the low side. And those are people that are long for a very long time. They probably bought Amazon at 500 bucks and all they're doing is buying a downside protection that's probably fairly extensive in some stock or the opposite, this blue line for the skewness, they're betting that the thing's not going any higher and for a variety of reasons.  You get this thing where everybody's betting that it's not going very much higher and of course expensive stocks, you get a lot of people that are hoping for a lot of protection on the downside. But those are kind of the, when you actually map out all the data for options, you kind of see that. Okay, what else do we have? Want to get in some other charts here. Sandy says what? Sandy says, UNVY still looking fairly good. UVXY on the day. Very interesting. It's just kind of beating around some lows out here. I guess the question is, do I think the markets kind of give it up? We've got Delta Neutral Day on Wednesday. And my thought is, if we're gonna make some kind of high for expiration and actually have one out of the one in five expirations that is lower than the low of Wednesday into the 19th. So your odds are fairly poor, one in five. But generally if you are on the right side of the one in five, you're gonna make three times what you would make normally on the positive side if the market holds up. So you have to make that calculation as it were three times more to try to pull the trigger short. You actually have something that could line up out here. I just don't see a lot of it right now. The Fed, why it's talking about tightening is just doing it, I think, until they actually do it, the markets is gonna believe that they're not gonna do it. That they're just jawbone in the market. If we actually see them do anything, I think that's when the market's gonna start waking up. Okay, what else do we have out here? What do options say on NVIDIA? Okay, good question. Okay, and today is not Saturday, it is Monday. Let's draw a little options curve out here. Everybody's betting against this thing going higher is what it says. 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But man, I don't think you wanna be short NVIDIA with everybody else being short, as we said before the break. Anywhere from 20 to 33% short, on a daily basis for the last week. Either someone really knows something, which they probably don't, or everybody's piling on every day and just covering at the close, much more the idea on that one. Anyway, Kings of the Universe, as I said, I don't wanna be shorting anybody that could sell four times what they can build right now. It's not good that they can't build it, but it's not like there isn't anybody on the other side dying to buy it like me. So what else can you say about it? That's kinda it. Anyway, as we end up the day, probably looking at some kind of back and fill into Wednesday, which starts Options Exploration Delta Neutral Day. I think we're gonna know a lot more about where the market's gonna go there, but everybody's kind of tightening up. Eight billion shares on the CBOE right now. Oh, is that right? No, that is not right. Let's go back and do it. Yeah, it is right. Yeah, so eight billion shares, 8.1 billion shares.  No, volume picking up for the fall? Yes, a little, not huge, but let's see. And sideways markets generally are good for gold. Got a nice pop there. So the next day, probably gonna be still good for them. So sell when you can, not when you have to. We'll see you tomorrow. See you in that channel. See you back.


This week we're going to review the Jericho figure out back. He sounds Australian. This guy looks Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris isn't Australian, he is American. Stand out! I'm here again. Okay, I'll bite. No pun intended. Why am I in doggie heaven again? Do you guys want me to review Mutt and Junkyard? There are no more reviews in your future. Welcome to the afterlife. All your worries are behind you. It wasn't a dream, was it? The robo-joe review really killed me. It was not a dream. So where's the other dog? The big white fluffy one. He's defending doggie heaven from the evil cat invaders. Right. Rejoice, you no longer have to review carable action figures. But I won't be able to review any great action figures either. So what happens with my reviews now? On your death, your physical body regenerated into the new HCC788. The new you will carry on your mission of reviewing GI Joe toys. But will he do a good job? Why don't you see for yourself? We can look at the review right now. Wait a minute. That's Mrs. Hooded Cobra Commander 788. I regenerated into Mrs. HCC? How does that even make any sense? How can I regenerate into somebody that already exists? Don't question the rules. Right, I got a real problem with that. But she doesn't know anything about GI Joe. How's she going to review the toys? Let's watch and see how she does. I just looked up Chuck Norris' toys on my phone, and it says he's in karate commandos. She's looking it up on her phone as she's doing the review. She didn't research it before she got started. She's doing it wrong. This says his name is Selkirk, and he's from Wyoming. This isn't Chuck Norris. He isn't even Australian. Maybe he worked at that steakhouse. Mmm, a blooming onion sounds good right now. She's reviewing Outback?  If she ruins the Outback review, that guy who keeps requesting Outback is going to go to Joe Conn and kick me. Or kick her. On second thought, maybe that's not so bad. You got to be patient. She's new at this. Give her a chance to get better. Isn't there some way I can go back? Last time you guys brought me here, I was able to return to Earth. There is no way to go back. The first time you were here, it was as a visitor. This time, it's forever. But you dogs care about these reviews. That's why you brought me here the first time. If I go back now, I can fix this mess. It is beyond my power. But let's keep watching. Maybe the new HTC 788 won't be so bad. Maybe Star Wars figures are a little cooler than G.I. Joe. Did you hear that? You can't let this go on. This is going to disrupt the Joe time continuum or something. There must be something you can do. This is pretty bad. She's risking the delicate balance of the Joeverse. I don't have the power to send you back, but maybe there's something I can do. Wait here. Right. I'll wait here. This guy can't even ride a pony. Oh, jock one, I come with grave news. The Joeverse is at risk. If the reviewer does not return, I fear imminent disaster. The new girl isn't working out? To put it mildly. What am I supposed to do about it? I don't have the power to send anyone back, neither do you. Separately we cannot send him back, but together we could make a deal that would allow him to return. I'm listening. No mobile service. I'm back here. My situation has not improved. Beelzebub and I have struck a deal that will allow you to return to Earth, but there is a price to be paid. You will allow you to return and finish your project in reviewing every vintage GI Joe toy, but there is a limitation. When you have completed your project, you must return to us. So when I review the last vintage GI Joe toy, then I die again? You will regenerate, and this version of you will be gone forever. No force in the universe can undo it. Can I stretch it out? Like maybe I can review all the cartoon episodes too. Don't push your luck. This deal would let me finish what I started. It would give me time. It'll take several years to review everything. Will you accept this bargain? You really have to ask? Do it. Get me back where I belong. This is my channel now. Maybe I don't feel like talking about GI Joe. I feel like talking about something else. Like a bright channel, we move bright all the time. But these days bang soon.


I have a good answer for this. I was in target with my husband. I was looking at rubs. I remember this clearly. When a kid about age seven, eight, came around the corner, saw me missing a leg. I had my prosthetic on.  And here's the thing. I have a lot of compassion for that kid individually. It was different. It was weird. Was it super inappropriate and made me feel terrible for a moment? Absolutely. But honestly, that story is one of the biggest reasons why I do what I do on the internet because I don't want people to have to deal with that. I don't want the next generation of disabled kids to deal with other kids being terrified of them at school. I'm an adult. I had the tools and the support to handle it just fine. But there was no reason that my sight had to traumatize a child. And I hope that by making videos like this on the internet, I can perhaps introduce more humanity into being an amutee and kids can be less scared in the future. This is different, but it's not scary.


Tom here from Warren Systems. We're going to talk about the Cisco Catalyst 1000 switches. These are targeted at small business because they're affordable and they are license-free, which is not something I expected to say about Cisco all in one sentence like that. I purchased these and the adventure starts on December 9th, and I want to bring up that I bought them. This is not paid for or endorsed by Cisco. The review I'm going to do is my opinion and I'm not a Cisco person, so to speak. I'm not a Cisco engineer. I'm not a certified Cisco person. And if you've watched this channel for any length of time, you know, I'm not necessarily the biggest Cisco fan. I find them to be a little bit quirky and sometimes overly complicated to get tasks done. And it's one of the reasons I prefer some of the other network vendors. But I will give, as they say, the devil they're due. Cisco does make a very solid and reliable device. They are notably, and many of our clients have these, that they've been installed for years. And despite occasional reboots for a firmware update, they do last. You usually pull a Cisco out because of obsolescence and being in a really old switch, not because it failed. And these being a fanless design, the two models that I have right here passively cooled, I would expect a very long service life out of them. But I also want to address directly that network chuck video about the auto configuration and it not going the way I expected. I bring this up because I was impressed when I thought they auto configured like that, which is part of the reason I bought two of them. I wanted to see if they would automatically stack and they don't. And I'm being very specific about this because they don't automatically stack, but you can manually configure them.  He spent some time with me diving into the technical things because Willie is someone who knows Cisco very well and confirmed about the way these work. I also did read through the Cisco documentation. They do not auto configure. There is some specifics to the way you configure and we will cover in this review. But before we dive into all these details, let's first. If you'd like to learn more about me and my company, head over to LawrenceSystems.com. If you'd like to hire a short project, there's a hires button right at the top. If you'd like to help keep this channel sponsor free and thank you to everyone who already has, there is a join button here for YouTube and a Patreon page. Your support is greatly appreciated. If you're looking for deals or discounts on products and services we offer on this channel, check out the affiliate links down below. They're in the description of all of our videos, including a link to our shirt store. We have a wide variety of shirts that we sell and new designs come out. Well, randomly, so check back frequently. And finally, our forums. Forums.LauranceSystems.com is where you can have a more in-depth discussion about this video and other tech topics you've seen on this channel. Now, back to our content. Now, both of these eight-port switches, the PoE and the non-PoE, have pretty much the same chassis. The only thing really different here is the non-PoE has a built-in and then on the PoE, we have a power brick, an external one. Now, let's take a look at the switch ports a little bit closer. Now, you have your options right here for how you want to console in. You have the little button right here, which you hold in for four seconds, which will show us how to get this configured and set up. Then we have all your standard switch ports and then we have the combo ports. Now, the combo ports can be used either in the RG45 or in the SFP, but not both simultaneously. So this is port nine for SFP and port nine for RG45 and the same goes for port 10. Now, this is the PoE model. So we have the little yellow labeling here and shows that it's PoE. And then on the back, we have a Kensington lock and the spot for the four-pin, 54 volt, 1.6 amp power supply. The other one, like I said, looks identical. Pretty much the same as far as the front of the chassis goes. It just doesn't have any power labels, same shared ports, same access, but then a standard connector on the back and a Kensington lock on the side. So not much difference there as far as how the switches themselves look. They're pretty much, like I said, the same chassis and they do not have or did not come with any frackiers or ability to mount them. So they are standalone switches like this. I do have some screw holes on the side, but not anything that would allow you to easily mount something for them. There's probably some kit you can order, but as I ordered from Amazon, this is how they came. Now, the stacking. We should jump right into that part of it because the single IP management and the network truck video was where my immediate confusion came in. I was excited to see a Cisco switch that would configure the first switch and deploy every subsequent switch. A couple things. In order to get H stacking to work, you do need to use the SFP. So even though these are combo ports, if you plug them in and stack these together and you use the RJ45, it will not configure H stack. It can only work over the SFP. So plugging it in like this won't work, but if we plug in SFP modules and go over here and put this one here and this one here, you can use them as uplink over the RJ45, but you can't use them for the single IP management. Next thing is the transceivers themselves. Whether you're using a fiber transceiver, a DAC TwinX cable, or in this case an RJ45 adapter, they require that you use Cisco. Very specifically, it has to be tag Cisco. We tried the Cisco command, which is technically undocumented, that allows the use of third-party non-Sysco branded transceivers, and it just didn't work. The command is there, and this is where Willie helped me out. So you have to use Cisco. And these are important details, I think, when you're pointing this out, when if someone were to buy this to build out a small office, and maybe they bought some of the larger 2440 port models of this, and they wanted to build out that single IP management interface, you can't just run a cable over to it. You have to run an SFP. That's just part of the way it sets up. And that SFP has to be, and if you're a Cisco person, you're like, oh yeah, you just typed the command in, except for on the Cisco Catalyst 1000, that command just does not function, and you do have to use Cisco SFPs. So little details when you're buying them out. Next little detail about Hdac and how that works. Is this line right here? 1G switches can only be grouped with 1G switches and 10G switches only with 10G switches. So if you mix and match your switches, and here's their lineup of all the ones that have just 1G ports on them, and these are the models that offer 10G ports on them. So you have 4 10G ports on these, and you have only the 1G ports on here. Therefore, you can't mix and match them. So if you were to buy a handful of like these, C1048FP 4XL, the 10G ones, you could group those together into a single management stack, and you could group any of these models over here into a single management stack, but then you would have two stacks to manage. I just want to make sure some of that is clear as part of the review, because I think these things matter quite a bit when you're looking at a switch and you want to order a kit out. You want to make sure everything you buy works the way you expect it to, or at least that you have all the parts to complete your network. So once all that's out of the way, no big deal. Now the Hdac itself, the auto-configure like showed in Chuck's video may come from the fact that once you configure Hdac and you take these switches and I configure them to talk to each other and wander through the configuration, which by the way is all documented right here. It can be done in a web interface, but it also can be done right through here from the command line. Cisco's got plenty of documentation on it. And for Cisco veterans, it's pretty straightforward. If you're less familiar with Cisco commands, it may be a little bit more complex. But what this does is allow you to log into one switch and control all the ports for all the switches that you've stacked together into the single IP management interface. And once you configure the Hdac on these, they survive a right erase reset. So if you reset the config and you've already configured the Hdac, when you reset the config and start setting a switch up again and plug them in, they'll actually start talking again over the Hdac, which I thought was interesting. It doesn't go to the normal right config. So this is what happens when you set them up and then maybe erase them. And I'm assuming that's probably what Chuck had done in his video. So he was unclear on it, but he set them up and then they will start deploying. What they won't do, though, is from a factory fresh out of the box, plug them in. Even if you've configured the first switch, each subsequent switch you plug in with an SFP doesn't auto-configure and add to it without going through the manual process as laid out in the Cisco documentation. Now, how do you get these set up? That's actually pretty simple. And we'll go ahead and switch over to the console screen and show you how that goes. All right, we plugged it in and booting it up. First time it boots, it does take roughly 60 seconds before it's ready. It goes through verifying the image and the boot up process steps. All right, and now the switch is booted up. Now, you do not need to use this console cable to do this. This was just a way so I can show what's going on during the boot process here. And then you can go here and walk through the setup. What's interesting is you have to hold the status LED three to four seconds and then release it. We'll show what that does on the screen. But what they don't mention is you can do it through the CLI, but what they're not mentioning here is what happens if I start touching buttons on here. I bring that up because if you start at all messing with the CLI here, you can run through the CLI to configure this still so it can be set up manually, but it will then stop that button from working. And when I first got this, it's a little bit confused and on there, so I wanted to see what was going on and I started going through it and I'm like, okay, let me hold the button now. No, once you've started typing here, it seems to stop that button from working. But we're going to go ahead and hold the button in so you can see what does happen on the screen. There we go. And we have now Express Mode entered. Once you enter Express Mode, the switch will be assigned the IP address of both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>. Plug in a network cable and please note I had nothing plugged in before. I believe if you plug in a network cable and it finds a DHCP server, it also won't let it go into auto setup. I had run into that where I thought I could just have it all plugged in and ready and go through this setup. When it finds a DHCP server, it doesn't necessarily go into auto setup. Just things that I think are important to note on these. Now that I've plugged this in, I'll go ahead and ping to make sure I can reach it. All right, I can reach <IP_ADDRESS> there or I can reach <IP_ADDRESS>, like I said, it assigns both. My laptop, I've already assigned statically to <IP_ADDRESS> and now we can actually jump into the configuration. The day zero wizard will provide an interface to configure your basic settings like IP, username and VLAN. Go to wizard, set up the host name, set up the username, password, and we'll just throw some stuff in here real quick. Build out your interface configuration, set your data VLAN, data wireless, VN access port. So some of the basics can be configured. IP addresses you want assigned to it. Subnet and default gateway, summary, and now we can log in. Now I've already got the other switch configured at a different IP address. Let me go ahead and pull that one up real quick. And here we are at the dashboard. Now this is the dashboard specifically to the PoE one and they're the same except for the extra PoE option. So I figured I'd show you this one because well, there's those couple extra features that are in here. Now here's your uplink ports and by default out of the box they're configured as uplink ports. But then if we were to configure into HDAC they will disappear and be part of the HDAC ports that are in here. But overall the dashboard is pretty basic and simple, gets the job done. It doesn't offer you a lot. It offers you kind of just some viewing and stats of what's going on, show you what clients are connected. It does allow you to do configuration for the switch settings and the HDAC settings. So if you didn't want to configure them in terms of going from the command line option you can go in here and do this. Of note because this works very much like a Cisco where you have to save the config and reload it. That's important because it says update and apply to device but then you still have to remember to restart the device or the command in Cisco is reload to apply all those configurations. Also of note when you're configuring to Cisco is the option after you change things to save the configuration up here. Are you sure you want to save this configuration? Because you can apply a change that may happen but you don't write that change out and for those of you familiar with the Cisco and when you're doing it from the command line right of the running config is an important step that sometimes people forget and then they reboot the switch later and they didn't save the running config to the boot time config so that is important that you do that on these switches. You do get alerts and error message up here and one of the annoyances is right out of the box these constantly try to reach out and do TFTP and will just generate errors until you turn it off. That is actually part of the default config but I did leave it on so I could show that every now and then it will just kick out a TFTP error because that's how they work out of the box until you configure them and tell them not to do that. You can go through and do the port configurations here, general settings, port settings, advanced settings but some of the even more advanced security settings I didn't notice them in here at all that's still something you're going to have to go through on the command line. Troubleshooting this was a bit of confusion because I didn't know where to reboot the switch apparently you reboot it under troubleshooting not under settings or services and this is also where you would go and do a factory reset if you want to reset the switch without going to the command line to do the right erase and do it. You can restart the switch here or factory reset it all together. You do have ping and trace route few other diagnostics you can do all test-based tests take a look at the logs or the debugging information I like that they've done this right here so you can just copy things or download them so now we can go and pull these logs up in a text editor so definitely very convenient for when you're troubleshooting without having to drop back and forth or try to highlight and copy in some weird way I can just hit that and go to there. VLAN configuration can be done in here services static routing this does not support anything more than just static routes. I do like this without plugging into the console we can just exec or run config type commands such as show version and we can see that this is running version 15.27E1 security settings, access policies ACL span options routing protocol, Arman and QoS so you can do quite a bit of configuration through the Web Interface and it Web Interface is reasonable enough management now I was disappointed here that you can't enable SSH so if you went through the wizard and didn't go through the configuring of SSH you can still go through and do it from the command line through the console but there's not a way to just turn it on inside of here by default it supports both HTTP on port 80 and HTTPS on port 443. Here's where you reload your firmware update for the web UI or the iOSM web UI pushing there. Disappointing part is it does not automatically go to Cisco's website to try to pull the firmware you have to go to Cisco's website and download it by the way you have to register and it also took a few days before Cisco validated my account apparently there's some type of it says doing a background check was the email they do a background check or something along those lines before validating emails which I thought was strange then they'll let you download the firmware and get these things up to date then under system we have config file DHCP and this is where you can actually transfer to the switch from the switch to a TFTP server or download the file so you can pull the config out and it does support multi-user administration and then they have some of the help documents here so pretty straightforward I think once you have them set up hold it for a few seconds I kind of glossed over the fact that it does have bluetooth to me that seems like an odd way I've never thought I've really had a desire to configure the switch bluetooth neat that they threw that in there but I mean maybe some more devices come with bluetooth like laptops because it just lets you get to the interface differently and I guess it's as long as bluetooth proximity base so you can enable it so you don't have to do the cable but for me SSH seems like a better way to do that but the web interface is usable for those of you that are looking for a little more power and or just want to start learning on Cisco yes you have full access to that you know the Cisco iOS 15 software my understanding though this will not run anything other than what they've referred to as classic iOS it doesn't do the newer I think it's iOS XE and XR like said Cisco is not my exact forte but I think they're a good lineup that are fitting that budget for people go you know I just want to see that Cisco name in my rack and I trust that and I have a strong use case for the way Cisco does their security or you're familiar with it they're great because they're now something that will still fit the client's budget and make Cisco people very happy and so I don't think they're a bad purchase in that circumstance yes of course they're still going to be other people that are out there that have other offerings that are a little bit less money but this is one of the few times I've seen where you can buy the Cisco switch and have all those fancy features for a really reasonable price I think at that $300 mark that's actually like I said for Cisco that's actually pretty good and I'm kind of surprised like I said I didn't think I'd say affordable Cisco in there it's still going to be on a little bit higher inside but I won't argue about the reliability I mean to be a fan of some of the quirks of Cisco software or the fact that it doesn't like anything but Cisco SFP adapters or that the single IP management interface can only be grouped with certain switches and some of the other gotchas but I won't argue that if I put this in I will trust it to be working several years later without even anybody doing anything to it so I will hand Cisco that on reliability take that for what it's worth let me know in the comments below what you think of these and I'll post this over in my forums as well thanks and thank you for making it to the end of the video if you like this video please give it a thumbs up if you'd like to see more content from the channel hit the subscribe button and hit the bell icon if you like YouTube to notify you when new videos come out if you'd like to hire us head over to laurancesystems.com fill out our contact page and let us know what we can help you with and what projects you'd like us to work together on if you want to carry on the discussion head over to forums.laurancesystems.com where we can carry on the discussion about this video other videos or other tech topics in general even suggestions for new videos they're accepted right there on our forums which are free also if you'd like to help the channel in other ways head over to our affiliate page we have a lot of great tech offers for you and once again thanks for watching and see you next time