We receive words that are not our own. Bere kesto, ule man gele ma han delege. De, a kahi, da lada, mat pala mande. Subrede da. So si ja ya kush. And whoever speaks in a tongue edifies himself. That's not a negative. That's for private use, not for public use. And if it's to be spoken in public, there needs to be someone who is gifted with interpretation. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Thank you. Who told me my check? Who just told? Styles Brown, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I didn't see that. You get everything ready and set. And then what do you do? You forget to turn the dog on mic on. And it's not right. You should come out of the red intro ready to go. That's just wrong. So let me fix that. It's like it never happened. But I've got a question. My question stems from, and it's to you. I want you guys to participate. The question comes from someone, actually two people are asking a question. Two people making a statement on another video and asked, well, aren't spiritual gifts or in particular tongues, aren't they supposed to edify yourself? Well, that's a good question because it seems that's what the Bible says. Matter of fact, let me just read. I'm not going to put on the screen, but let me read it. We're going to go to the scriptures in a second. But let me put it on the screen says pursue love and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy for one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God. For no one understands him, but he utters mystery in the spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their building and encouragement and consolation. Here it is. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself or edifies himself, but the one who prophesies builds up or edifies the church. Now, that statement verse four says the one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself. The one who speaks in tongue edifies himself. So now the Bible seems to say that it edifies itself and that might be the case. There's two ways that it can be taken. When Paul makes a statement that you edify yourself by speaking in tongues, there's really only two ways you can take it. One, as a positive affirming statement that it's a good thing, or two, as a negative. In other words, and the only way they can be taken as a negative is that he is really kind of being condescending saying that all you're doing is edifying yourself. So there's only two ways to take it. Now, a lot of people, many, I wouldn't even, maybe most, I'm not sure, I don't know. Well, you know what, I wouldn't say most. There's no way to know, but many people would say that this is a positive statement saying that this is in fact what happens whenever you speak in a tongue, you are building up or you are edifying yourself. That's what they say that Paul is saying. Paul is saying it as a positive, that Paul is really giving the benefit of speaking in tongues. That isn't the speaker. Not to the audience, but to the speaker. So the person that's speaking in tongues, there's a benefit to you speaking in tongues. The question is, this benefit that is being you, here's the question, and this is where you all have to jump in and give your comments in the chats. Is that what it's for? Paul is Paul saying that speaking in tongues edifies you? Well, question, should you? Should you speak in tongues to edify yourself? That's the question. Now, the question, obviously you've got to get the answer from somewhere, but what would make a person, here's a question to anyone that would say, well, yeah, it just said the person that speaks in tongue edifies himself. Now, I'm saying that there is a disagreement that it's not saying that it edifies yourself. Someone says that it does. We'll come back to this passage, but the question is, what would make a person think that that's how this passage should be taken? If you take this passage, verse 4, to state that it is to edify yourself, the question is, what would make you think then? I want you to think about this for a second, guys. I want you all to think about this for a second. I want your answers. This is, as one of the moderators said earlier, make sure that your responses and comments be respectable. But here, my question is this, if you take this passage to mean as a positive that speaking in tongues edifies yourself, that he's saying that positively, what would make you think that? Similarly, if you say that speaking in tongues edifies yourself, if you, like myself, take it as a negative, also, what would make you think that? Now, this goes both ways. Because the point and purpose of this channel isn't to say, this is what I think and this is what it is. No, the point and purpose of this channel is to say, this is what I think. Now, let's go ahead and figure this out. Let's exegete the text. Let's work through. Let's become good Bible theologians. Let's become good students of the scriptures. Let's become good exegetes. Let's utilize whatever hermits that we have and enhance that. That's the whole point. So the question is, now, for those that believe that this passage is telling you that it's a positive to edify yourself, the question is, what makes you think that? In other words, you have to take this passage verse four out of the text out of the conversation. Both parties, whether you think it's affirming or it's a negative. Which, what other passages, what would cause you to think that this is positive or a negative statement on Paul's part? So the question is, is there or are there any other passages that would tell us that tongues edify yourself? It's a question now, because we're talking about tongues edifying yourself. And so if you're going to make that statement and that passage is in doubt or in question, are there any other passages that would cause you to believe or that would tell you that tongues edifies yourself? That's my question. And so for those in the chats, or for those in the comments later, there'll be some that will come in the comments later who are going to disagree. That's fine. But if you're going to say that tongues, it's a positive statement to edify yourself and you don't have verse 4 of 1 Corinthians 14 to use, are there any other passages that you can point to to say so? Does the Bible teach us to edify ourselves in any other passages? Are there any other passages where the Bible teaches us to edify ourselves? As a matter of fact, does it teach us to edify ourselves with any other passages? That is going to be the question and so what we have to do is look for some passages that kind of help us, that guide us. Now, before I come back to 1 Corinthians 14, because I want to say this, it's the only passage that anyone can turn to to state that tongues edifies yourself. When people make the statement that tongues edify yourself, it's the only passage that tongues edify yourself, it's the only passage. Now, and I see someone, we always go there, Jude 1.20 does not speak about tongues too, it does not speak about edifying yourself, we'll go there later but let's go to some other passages that speak about edifying, building up. Because if we say it's building yourself up, is there, because here's the question, though, again, are there two ways to think this? Are there two ways to see this? Well, sure there are. There's always, yeah, one's the right way, one's the wrong way. How do we know that my way is the right way or the wrong way? So now, you said verse 28, I'll come to verse 28, we'll look at it in just a second. So, what we want to do is let's look and see what the Bible speaks about building up, who to build up, how so, for what reason. So, let's start in Romans 14-9 and what I've done is, matter of fact, before I go there, let's go to no, you know what, no, I'll stay there. I'll stay there. Let's go to Romans 14-19 and I want to put that on the screen and let's just read this. Now, you're going to notice that I've got some things highlighted and some things underlined and there's a reason for that. There's reasons for that. Here we've got in 1 Corinthians 14-19 let me move that, there we go. So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. Notice what's highlighted, notice what's underlined. When you see the, what you're going to notice as highlighted is the building up. It's from this Greek word from two words, Oika and Doma. It is the building up. So, in this case is Oika Domes which is to build up, the building up. You're going to see this word in the Greek throughout the New Testament and you're going to see it used in only one way. You're going to see it used in one way just like you see it here. Who in this passage is Paul saying to build up? Who is Paul saying to build up? This word is for others and one another. So it's not to you, matter of fact he says, so then we pursue and make for peace and the building up of one another. So, here's a passage that tells us that we ought to be building up others. Matter of fact, all throughout Scripture or especially the New Testament I should say we're going to see passages that speak about us needing to build up others. Matter of fact, Paul was bringing that up in 1 Corinthians in Romans 12. What about what Peter has to say in 1 Peter chapter 4? 1 Peter 4, notice what it says, 1 Peter 4 and I don't know if you all... You know what, you can't see that well enough. Let me highlight that a little bit better. Let me highlight that a little bit better this part right here. You can't really see that. Let me... and my highlighting is not that great. Uh oh, it didn't let me do it. So let me redo it. Let me redo my penmanship on this on this mouse is not that great. There we go. So, notice what it says. As we, as each one of us has received a special gift employ it in what does he say? Serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace. What you're going to find out what you're going to find out is every time that we're talking about spiritual gifts we're going to see them used or spoken of to do what? To build up others. Every spiritual gift that's been giving every move of the spirit every pneumaticone is to build up others. We don't find it where it says to build up yourself. Now, I understand that people have been taught we should build up ourselves. What did she say? Building up yourself is always positive. Stirring up your gift is always positive. Building up others and yourself is important. The question is, sister Lausanne could you point to a passage that tells us to build yourself up and don't go to Jude 120 because that's not what that passage says. As a matter of fact, it's not even saying for you to build yourself up. We'll go there in a second. But where the passage is, it tells us hey, you know it's a good thing to build yourself up. It's a good thing to build it. We don't have that. Now, this was an issue for me. It was a problem for me. The reason why it was a problem for me because remember I came out of it. I came from the background of speaking in tongues. Corey, have you ever spoken in tongues? Well, how do you know those real tongues? Well, maybe it wasn't. It sounded just like yours though. All I can go off of is what it sounded like where I was at, so for what everyone else was doing and as far as I can tell as far as I knew, as far as I felt it was the same thing. It was the same thing. Now that being the case, Paul says not Paul, Peter says, look what he says because what you're going to end up finding out is that you're going to have a wealth of scriptures pointing one way and then you're going to want to say that this scripture is going in the opposite direction. You're going to want to say, after looking at these other scriptures, yeah, but 1 Corinthians 14.4 still says something different and it does not. It does not. Anyway, so what we're going to find out is that the Bible is telling us that spiritual gifts including tongues are to build up others not to build up yourself. And if anyone is coming in late we've already discussed 1 Corinthians 14.4 we're going to come back to it but the question is if you take 1 Corinthians 14.4 to be a positive statement to say that you are to build up yourself with that gift other than this passage, other than verse 4 or 14, where else do you see that because it can be taken one of two ways again. You can take 14.4 as stating that it's a good thing for tongues to build yourself up or is that Paul is speaking negatively, kind of sendingly, that it's a negative that you're not supposed to build yourself up. In other words, all you're doing is building yourself up versus yeah, tongues build yourself up. There's only two ways you can take it and this is for both groups. Whether you believe it's a negative or you believe it's a positive other than this passage what other passages can you point to that would tell us that speaking in tongues builds yourself up. And I'll tell you this there is no other passage where you see that tongues builds up or edifies the body. Now, we'll get there in a second, but here we've just seen two passages 1 Corinthians, I mean Romans 14 where Paul is saying that these gifts are to be employed to build up one another, others then in 1 Peter 4.10 which we just left as each one of you has received a special gift to employ it how in serving others. Where else do we see this? What about in Ephesians 4.11? In Ephesians 4.11 we're going to see, let's start in verse 11 and he, that's God, gave some apostles and some prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastor teachers. Why? For the equipping of the saints for the work of service for the building up of the body. So what were these offices given for? For the equipping of the saints to do what? Here's that word again or the domain name which is to build up of the body. So again, we are still building up others. So here's another passage Paul comes in and he's saying that these offices are going to be used to build up others. Why? Because the important thing is to build, first of all if you don't know this already, it is easy to build yourself up. It is easy to build yourself up. Building up others that's the issue. As a matter of fact, of the two greatest commandments love the Lord God with all your heart mind, body and soul, but what does he say the next thing is love yourself just like you love God. Yeah, the second thing that God says is to love yourself the way you love God. No, that's not what he says. That's not what he says is it. He says after you love him with all your fullness who then does he say to love? You or others. He says to love others as you love yourself. You already love yourself. Loving you ain't the problem that we have on this planet. Loving others is the issue. So he says the reason why they are given is to for the building up of the body until we all attain the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a mature man to the measure of the statute which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we're no longer children being tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by trickery of man, by craftiness those of our 15. But speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head of even Christ from whom the whole body being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies according to the proper working of each individual part. Look what he says. Look what he says. Causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself. So again, the whole point of everything is to build up the body. You building yourself up is no bueno because what do you have? We have a plethora of people who are focused inwardly on themselves. We have a dearth of individuals who are focused on building other people up. That's been the issue. But let's go. Let's leave Ephesians 4. Let's go to 1st Thessalonians 5 verse 11 therefore encourage one another and build up one another just as you also are doing. So you're always saying, hey, you're already doing it. Keep building up one another. And there's that word or I could have may know which is or in this case I could have maintained. So build up others. Build up. That's the whole point where else do we find this set? And we'll get the 1st Corinthians in just a second. Matter of fact, no, let's go ahead and jump into 1st Corinthians. Let's go to 1st Corinthians chapter 10. All things matter of fact, let's start in 23. All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. In other words, there's some things that you can do but doesn't mean that there's some things that just because you can do them, you should do them. So what does he say? All things are lawful, but not all things edifying. There's that word or it could have made which all things don't build up. Let no one look what it says and that's just horrible. Look, you'll see how I wrote that. My my my penmanship is not too good, but he says let no one seek his own good. Stop the presses please. Paul is saying do not seek your own good, but that of his neighbors. So all so what does he say? All things are lawful, but everything then edify. So keep it in context. Everything doesn't edify. So therefore don't don't seek your own good, but seek the good of your neighbor and keeping with this thread this theme of edifying and that's the word that's literally used here or domain which is to build up, build up who others, not yourself. I promise you this. I promise you this. The more you grow in Christ, one you'll be taken care of because think about this for a second. Let's just think practically speaking. When you eat.  You don't think about am I hungry right now? You don't think about is that person hungry now maybe you might see that person because you happen to know but just instinctively you don't know who's hungry. You don't know who's in need but the Bible is telling us that we should have this outward concern matter of fact make it be aggressive at it be intentional about it I know when I'm hungry so I go in the refrigerator and eat something.  Well that's my wife and I can know if she's eating all day or anything like that my children and we know hey it's time for dinner, it's time for lunch, it's time for breakfast my daughter have to make her eat sometimes she'd want to eat a hot pocket just because that's what kids do she'd rather eat a hot pocket or some noodles rather than something healthy so there's already just naturally in us an instinctive concern about ourselves. The more we grow in Christ well we're going to take care of ourselves what he's wanting us to do is to shift that concern to others so now so because, let me put this on the screen so because you're supposed to build up others it's always wrong to build up yourself I didn't say that. What I'm saying is we don't find a command so far be a barin nice name so far a barin we haven't come across a passage that tells us now we get to 1 Corinthians 14 but so far we don't have a passage that tells us to build up ourselves so far maybe another passage we'll come to other than verse 4 will tell us this but he says it's always wrong to build yourself no this doesn't make logical sense just because I am supposed to feed the poor doesn't mean I don't feed myself. You naturally feed yourself that's the point that's the point you naturally feed yourself you naturally bathe yourself you naturally sleep, you naturally take care of yourself again what was the second greatest commandment not to tend to your own needs Jesus didn't tell Peter feed yourself feed my sheep we are to tend to others not ourselves by the way let me ask you a question because Paul used this analogy of a body which part of the body takes care of itself which part he used the analogy of hands feet eyes you can be a mouth, you can be an ear you can be a shoulder, you can be a torso which part of the body can take care of itself not one not one if I heard this thumb this thumb cannot take care of itself what does this thumb need or what does this hand need this hand needs this hand if I hurt my foot my foot cannot take care of itself that's by the way Paul's point in 1st Corinthians 12 there is no part of the body that's to be more esteemed than others all of you are necessary for the body but there's no person in the body that is supposed to be taking care of themselves it's the body's job which is why you're supposed to be together and so again what does he say in 1st Corinthians 10-23 what should we strive to not seek for your own but to seek for seek for that of the others and by the way even though it says in English good the word good is actually not there but it seeks for yourself so let no one seek for himself let nobody seek for himself but of his neighbor or actually the word that he uses others so don't seek for yourself seek for others that's literally what it says so so far we still don't have a passage that tells us to build up yourself now we're getting there we're getting closer we're getting closer keeping in mind though we've already got two apostles speaking we've got Peter who's chiming on it Peter said that your gifts should be for others again let's put it back on the screen that each one that has a special gift that's a spiritual gift employ it in serving others there is no passage again to employ your spiritual gift for yourself name the spiritual gift that you use that you employ for yourself and do not say prayer because prayer is not a spiritual gift keep that in mind it's not a spiritual gift Peter says so Paul is saying so and he says so 1st Corinthians 10 matter of fact he also says it in oh I'm sorry we gotta cover 1st Thessalonians he says it in Ephesians now we're getting close to 1st Corinthians 14 before we get to 1st Corinthians 14 we need to deal with the whole thing that Paul is speaking of and here's the problem, the Iberian here's the problem because what happens and I've been guilty of this before in the past too and I want to eliminate this as much as we can when you have an issue that's been posed such as on the floor 1st Corinthians 14 where it says that tongues atify yourself is that a positive or negative you believe it's a positive and so what are you saying you're doing everything in your power not to listen to the other side I'm just I love you to death I really do I'm always here you give good pushback but you're doing everything in your power not to hear the other side because all I've done so far is read scriptures and every scripture I've read so far matter of fact every passage you can follow that you can find about edifying speaks of edifying others and that would make sense right here we've got a savior who did not come and was concerned with his own well-being and you had a concern for others so and I get what you're saying we're not talking about striving we're talking about where is the command now are there let's just be honest are there some things that you are going to do that's going to naturally benefit yourself sure I already mentioned eating, reading the bible, praying those things but those aren't the commands for you to do we're talking about employing spiritual gifts you use them for others because again the point of the Holy Spirit working in us is to enable us to serve him now think about that for a second if he gave us this tool I'm using term tool not to demean the Holy Spirit but if he gave us this tool if he gave us these spiritual giftings to enable us for his service you know what I know God this is for you and to benefit others but let me just use a little bit for myself find that passage because there is no such passage and for me it was a hard pill to swallow because one I came from that background and I thought that's what it's supposed to be for and then as I looked at the scriptures every time I see the Holy Spirit being poured out and used on folks it's being used it's being poured out and used by people in the bible used on other people wait a second now just even in just practicality of the bible when I look at it I don't see any uses of the spiritual gifts for that person individually I see them being used for others so do we have all the other gifts are for others but this one gift is for us by the way again we still don't have this whole issue about it being something personal or private we'll get to that in a second but so far all we see all we've been told is that these spiritual gifts are for who for others not yourself and so Paul is writing the church in Corinth remember what Paul is writing for remember what Paul is writing for does anyone know the purpose of Paul writing the letter to Corinth again we're taking our time we are taking our time through this we want to get through this and be as studious about this and as thoughtful about this as possible does anyone know why Paul is writing this letter there's a common theme woven throughout this book and I've covered this before now so you awesome wonderful smart Christians should know this there we go CG for unity for unity matter of fact matter of fact let's go to the very beginning let's go to the first Corinthians let's go to the first Corinthians one and let's see if we can test that why is this right here wait a second this thing is right here for some goofy reason let me undo this let me delete this thing it won't I don't know why this is showing up on my screen yep it's showing up on your screen too I don't know why dog gone in accordance let's see it won't go away but notice the title says Appeal to Unity and so let's read this it says to the church of God which is at Corinth to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus by the saints calling with all who are in every place calling in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and there's their Lord and ours look at verse 4 I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you in Christ Jesus everything you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge even as a testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you so that you are lacking nothing or not lacking any gift now let's drop down verse 10 now I exhort you brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus that you all agree and there be no divisions among you but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment for I have been informed concerning you my brethren by Chloe's people that there are quarrels among you so and we keep reading chapter 1 his whole point is that I want there to be some unity I want there to be unity with you so the whole thing that we see throughout 1 Corinthians this is actually at the very least his second time writing there it might be his third or fourth or fifth time but this is the first canonized letters we have and his whole point is that there be unity unity in the body unity is how we think even unity when it comes to family and marriage then we get to chapter 12 and so what because the whole book is about unity what do you think he's talking about in chapter 12 he's talking about still unity but as it concerns what spiritual gifts which is why he starts off chapter 12 verse 1 now concerning gifts or Numitikon now concerning the spiritual things brethren I do not want you to be unaware or ignorant you know that when you were pagans you were led astray to the mute idols however you were led therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the spirit of God says Jesus is accursed and no one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit now here's the point that he's getting ready to make verse 6 he says there are a variety varieties of effects about who works all things and all persons but to each one is given the manifestation of the spirit why why for the common good for the common good and I have that highlighted because this nails it this literally is saying the point of these gifts are for the Numitikon the movement of the spirit is for the common good of all of us I neglected to do so earlier I apologize what is wrong with my computer oh there it is, there it is they have a new feature, I'm sorry guys they have a new feature on this computer and it's not quite working right there's some bugs still in it which tends to happen with this with this software so it is with you unless you speak and tell the words with your tongue how well anyone know what you are saying amen we're going to get to that part in a second Marcia W thank you also for the Super Chat guys I do appreciate that but now jump back into it so the whole point of Chapter 12 verse 7 is to state that these are given these are necessary for the common good of others for the good of others so far have I missed a passage now y'all tell me I'll sit and watch the screen for a second because I want to be honest with this have I missed a passage thus far that has stated that spiritual gifts are to be used for yourself have I missed now I understand that somebody is going to want to point to Jude 120 we're going to go to Jude 120 in a little bit but thus far have I missed out on anything let me know because again I want to be honest I want to be faithful to the text please let me know but thus far so far the only passages that I've covered do not speak of tongues being used or any other spiritual gift being used for yourself now again the question is or the verse in question is 1 Corinthians 14 verse 4 and so the question is and I'll read it again I'll state it again is Paul saying that tongues or if is Paul saying that tongues edify yourself is he saying that as a positive yes tongues edify yourself or is Paul saying it as a negative in other words is Paul saying all you're doing is edifying yourself you are speaking this tongue all you're doing is edifying yourself which one is it we've got to go back and just do some research on edifying the body or edifying ourselves and do we find out do we find spiritual gifts employed with edifying ourselves be a marine keep saying it's not positive or negative but I'm going to show you that it actually is it is absolutely a negative first of all with the wealth of scriptures that we've covered thus far that tells us what spiritual gifts are for and what we're strive to do would that be in keeping with the entirety of the spirit moving the believers as always stated build up others look out for others but right here just in this one verse build yourself up would that be the case now be a marine says if you are seeking to edify yourself then it's wrong well who is working in you who's working in you be a marine is it you doing it or is it the Holy Spirit oh by the way when we get to 1 Corinthians 14 no I'm sorry 12, 13 and 14 is Paul saying that what they're doing is the right thing or is Paul saying what they're doing is the wrong thing we need to keep that in mind as well Paul is not saying what you guys are doing in 1 Corinthians 12, 13 and 14 is the right thing he's not saying good job you guys are wonderful you guys are a model of churches that is not what Paul said matter of fact this is a letter of rebuke the entire letter is a letter of rebuke because you guys are not showing any unity you say I'm this you say I'm that you say I'm that I'm a this I'm a that he says you're just behaving like Miriam and you're being carnal he says he never tells me you're wrong so does he have to literally say you're wrong what he did say be a marine was that they're ignorant Paul literally says you guys are being ignorant I don't want you to be ignorant I don't want you to know what you're saying does Paul say that yes he does if anyone says that your Bible is broke if you don't see that in your Bible you need to use the new Bible because he literally says I don't want you to be ignorant which we just read in chapter 12 and then he says if you say something and you don't understand it he says what's the solution I rather that you do understand it which is by the way which is by the way why Cheyenne Cat put the passage up that he put up some stuff I don't want you to be unknowing so he's not calling them sinners he's not saying that you guys are going to hell for abusing or misusing tongues this is a letter to correct this is a letter of rebuke to correct you don't just rebuke enemies you also rebuke people that you love so he is saying I want you to do things the right way now interestingly enough people would say well yeah but but this is him speaking about a private language a private prayer language another problem that you throw in because is there anywhere in the Bible anywhere anywhere and listen I can go I can drink this coffee go make another cup of coffee come back and you won't find anywhere in the Bible where there's a such thing as a private prayer language guys listen with all due respect it's made up there's just there's no place in the Bible where it talks about a private prayer language we've covered before praying in the spirit that never in the spirit has never meant in tongues so we don't have that now there are those that believe it's a private prayer language and they say so without ever giving a scripture it is an earthly language if it was an earthly language others could understand it and Paul could simply say don't speak it unless you have someone else who understands that language please hear me there is a message from God that could be in tongues that needs to be interpreted if it's given in the church that's what the Bible says but there is a prayer language that is not from God but to God and we're going to see it very clearly in scripture that you can pray in tongues scripture is very clear problem is there's no such there is no such scripture that says there's one scripture that says if a person if I may and I'm using the correct word verbage may or happened to if I may pray in tongue which Paul didn't say he did but if I may pray in tongue in a tongue he presents a problem with that then he gives a solution and the solution doesn't even have tongues in it we'll go to that in a second but let me address this question here or this statement justsafe says I have never heard anyone say praying in tongues is unto God is a negative unbelievable that is error period well then you need to keep listening because there's a lot of folks that do say so there are a lot of folks that do say so what happens is this again I was in the same boat I thought that tongues I thought that that's what you're supposed to be doing but if you stay around the people to think and believe the same way you do then you only hear it one way but again all I've ever asked though was is there a reason to believe is to be taken as a positive affirmation if you say yes you're gonna have to give a scripture you cannot that's the problem because the scriptures that talk about being edified talks about edifying others the goal the point the purpose so let's go ahead and jump to 1st Corinthians by the way there's a reason why 1st Corinthians 12 and 1st Corinthians 14 are separated by 1st Corinthians 13 not just for numerical reasons or chronological reasons but because Paul wants to show the whole thing surrounding the whole thing surrounding these spiritual gifts is what love all of our giftings should how we how they're exercised how we even view others should be born out of love right born out of love and again the two greatest commandments love God with everything and then secondly love who love me some meat no love me some you that's what Jesus says so we're not gonna contradict everything think about this for a second guys and I understand it's a hard pill to swallow it's a hard pill to swallow but let's go ahead and just say pay attention let's just go ahead let's just go ahead and think about this for a second because it's not that I want to be right or I want to be wrong I just want to know what is right what is wrong so one of these are true one of these are true and there's a reason why Paul is saying all of this is to be done in love and so when we go to 1 Corinthians chapter 14 let's go to it he says how does he start off 14 he says pursue love this is a command he says don't contain agape which is you it's a command it's a charge pursue love that's what you do madam sir you pursue love and he says and earnestly desire the pneumatico or the pneumatico of the spiritual things now right here says malon de henna profite he says to do so in order that you prophesy and this is literally what it says it's mind blowing it is literally mind blowing when people say Cory you mistook that passage when I'm literally taking it what it actually says malon more so or rather in order that you prophesy so pursue love you sir you ma'am pursue love in order that you prophesy but wait a second I thought it was the Holy Spirit that gives us the prophecy not that prophecy he said pursue that you would preach give a revelation not the gift of prophecy but pursue love earnestly desire the things of the spirit in order that you would give this revelation that's what the word prophecy does that's what it is to proclaim for the one who speaks and notice he's talking about a singular tongue versus a plural tongue you gotta ask yourself that question as well singular tongue versus the plural tongue and by the way guys this wouldn't even be a problem if the people that believe this all of you folks that believe tongues are to edify yourself this wouldn't even be a problem if you edified yourself by yourself this wouldn't even be a problem but the problem the issue is that we've got people that edify themselves edify themselves in public without an interpreter so if you guys who do so would follow the scriptures basically the problem is when you see this just like we showed in the very beginning people are speaking in these languages out in public out in church and so forth what have you doing it contrary to scripture but then because people want to interpret their experience or interpret the scriptures in line of their experience they'll say well what I'm doing is I'm doing what first with this fortune is it's a private prayer language but there's no passage in these tongues these languages are a private give me that passage there is not there is none but what he does say for the one who speaks in a tongue singular tongue whether you look at the Greek or the English it's a singular tongue speaks not to men but to God for no one understands them but he utters mysteries in the spirit now some versions say mysteries in his spirit that part is debated amongst certain Greek scholars is it utters mysteries in his spirit or utters mysteries in the spirit it doesn't really it's not clear it's not clear now my translation I have on the screen says mysteries in the spirit that's fine I'll go with that some translation say mysteries in his spirit because guess what guys it literally can be taken away this is one of those ones where it's not totally clear on the other hand the one who prophesies speaks to people there's that word again guys for their up building and encouragement and consolation now we're going to start looking at this word edification or to edify or to build up we're going to notice how many times that this term is found in 1 Corinthians 14 how many times this principle is brought up and not one time because I saw the folks bring up some other passages not one time is this passage that's fine for yourself, not one time but let's go ahead and by the way for another time differentiate why there's a singular tongue and a plural tongue and why is Paul actually making the contrast because he used the word but so he says on the other hand the one who be a barin wait for me this is why I say and guys this is for everyone if I go to school, if I'm in a classroom if I'm in a seminar I would like to hear how the person is going through this if I get ahead of that person then I find myself maybe saying the wrong things when we just cover that so just hold on, I promise you we will get to verse 28 work with me anyway, on the other hand the one who prophesies because what does he say you want to do you want to be giving a revelation to the body doing so what does it do builds up themselves not themselves does it it edifies themselves does it no speaks to the people for their up building there's that word or it could domain it builds up others and encouragement and consolations the one who speaks in a there's that word singular tongue what does he do he builds up himself first time in biblical history where we see this or I say New Testament I haven't really researched the Old Testament but the first time in New Testament meaning the first time in Holy Spirit history in the text do we see you building up yourself first time but word of contrast the word who's prophesying the word is in Revelation what does he do he builds up the church what do we spend all this time discovering you should be building up the body so this is why me as well as a bunch of other people folks who are far more verse in the Greek and just scholars would say what Paul is saying how you would actually read this is Paul is not saying Matthew let's go to verse 2 for the one who speaks in a tongue he's not speaking to men now this is how I would take it the question is the question is is what I'm saying the right way now what I'm saying how I'm saying is either the right way or the wrong way that's what I'm saying for the one who speaks in a tongue he's not speaking to men because when you read the Bible you can't tell the voice inflections can you he's not speaking to men he's just speaking to God only God knows what he's saying he's just speaking mysteries in the spirit that's all he's doing he's speaking mysteries by the way another first time in Holy Spirit history the another first in Holy Spirit history is that we are speaking mysteries to God huh normally in the past it's been the Lord speaking mysteries and then he turns around and reveals it later on but this time we're speaking mysteries to God and he's got a dissected he's got interpret huh Paul is Paul is saying you guys all you're doing no one knows what you're saying only God knows what you're saying you're just speaking mysteries in the air by the way he's going to say that in a minute you're just speaking mysteries in the spirit or in your spirit depending upon which scholar you're talking to on the other hand though can you clearly see the contrast the juxtaposition on the other hand the one who prophesies because you should pursue love in order that you do prophesy the one that prophesies he speaks to people for their building what we've been saying all along myself and Peter have not me but Paul and Peter have been saying all along just like Jesus build up others and encouragement and consolation that's what you do the one who speaks in a singular tone this ecstatic aesthetic tone builds himself up but the one who prophesies builds up the church now both of them in no language in absolutely no language whatsoever in absolutely no language whatsoever but in no language whatsoever Hebrew, Greek, Spanish, French, German whatever do you say this and this with a but in between and these both are the same no language do you find this this and a but and they both are saying the same thing you say a but as a word of contrast I think she's a nice person she loves the Lord but I'm not going to say anything positive now am I so what does he say for the one who speaks in a tone he builds up himself but the one who prophesies builds up the church now do I have scriptural ammunition to back up how I just said that yeah all the five six seven eight scriptures I just used that I just went through that says we're to build up others and no scripture that says we're to build up ourselves now I want you to speak in now I want you all to speak in tongues notice he's using the plural not the singular he could have said I want you to speak in a tone but then he says here's that phrase again but my lawn rather or even more so in order that you prophesy someone's going to say who wants to vehemently disagree and I get you can vehemently one because you're so holding holding to a position you're so beholden to a position that you could care less what the scripture say because this is the pastor I want to camp on this but I'm literally I'm literally giving you the pastors by the way so far we've covered this build up build up here we've got them building up yourself contrast with building up yourself I mean building up the church better which one which one did Paul just say to pursue which one did Paul just say to pursue he said pursue the one that builds up the church today as a matter of fact he's already told us that the Holy Spirit wants to build up others that's why and remember Paul is Paul is writing a letter of rebuke Paul has just got through telling them that you guys are saying stuff you have no idea what you're saying Paul's going to also cover that again he says the one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in a tongue unless someone interprets now if there's interpretation by the way this word means to explain so unless there's some understanding which brings about revelation what happens when that happens according to this verse so that so that or henna in order that the church would be what built up edified or could they make or could they may I'm sorry when there's explanation when there's revelation when there's actual true revelation not just ecstatic words gibberish hamdala hamdala other than that English or Spanish or French what the people can understand then they're built up because what no one's ever told us before is by praying in this unknown tongue that you don't even understand yourself how does that benefit anybody how does that benefit you or God like Robert Moore says this is you bringing a revelation to God how silly for him to make that statement verse 6 now bro if I come to you speaking in a tongue look what he says how will I benefit you now this isn't the word to build up but how I just spoke Arabic how will I benefit you well why is paul bringing this issue up how will it benefit you because paul wants what you say to benefit others unless I bring you some revelation there's a word unless I bring revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching if even light now look what he says the comparison if even lifeless instruments such as a flute or a harp do not give a distinct note how will anyone know I've got that underlined also you can't see it because I use that green no or understand what is being played because the people that you're speaking to should know notice notice notice his concern are the people that hear it what you cannot escape all of the three or four people in the chat right now that disagree what you cannot escape is that paul expects that your tongue be heard by somebody else you can't escape that paul expects that what you're saying is being heard by someone else and if they don't get it well then they don't get it and so what's the spanish phrase what a shame if what you're saying and paul expects it to be heard by others there's no revelation there's no understanding well then they don't get it and if the bugle gives an indistinct sound it says so it is with yourself if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible how will anyone know what is said for you will just be speaking into the air I have that underlined now what paul just said if what you said no one understands what you're saying he literally just says you'll just be speaking into the air is that a put down or is that a compliment that is not a compliment ladies and gentlemen if you think someone says if I say barin be a barin all you're doing is just speaking into the air you wouldn't take it as a compliment and you should not because it's a put down paul says you are just speaking into the air you're doing this you're doing one of these deals right here this is it you're just talking no one knows only god knows by the way that phrase earlier in the first part of 14 for first 14 that's what this phrase comes from only god knows what he's saying he just speaking mysteries only god knows and then he comes back and reiterates you're just speaking into the air question who is speaking into the air who is just speaking into the air for those that want that fine you can disagree the question is who did he just say just saved question who did he just say is speaking to the air you guys are in such a rush in such I've got to show Cory wrong such a lason be a barin just saved who did paul just say is speaking into the air it's my question who did paul just say is speaking into the air in the church we seek to edify others well again like I said before if you're only speaking in tongues edifying yourself by yourself I wouldn't know no one would know but you guys bring this out in public so if you are speak and by the way by the way and no she says that's the plural tongues well let's see if with your no it's not it's a singular so he's not speaking of a plural tongues he's speaking of a singular tongue if you say something with your speech what you just said this is not plural this is a singular this is the people that speak in a singular tongue ok so who did paul say is just speaking into the air paul just said those people who are saying something in an unknown fashion all you're doing just speaking to the air that's what he brings up in 1 Corinthians 12 I don't want you to be ignorant you're saying something you don't know speaking into the air there are many different languages in the world and not one is without meaning so there should be some meaning, some understanding but if I don't know the meaning of the language I will be a foreign to the speaker and the speaker a foreign to me again paul is speaking hoping that you have the understanding that when you do this it's for the benefit of someone to be hearing what you're saying the hearers have no idea what you're saying you're speaking into the air meaning no one is getting edified but you, how do you get edified because you feel good about yourself somebody nowadays pat your in the back wow you sure listen the lord moved in you what I say I don't know because I don't know either you are just speaking into the air now sissy lasan says there are two types of tongues show it prove it because we don't have that by the way the only example there's only one time in the bible where we hear someone speaking in tongues and we're told what they're saying acts too that's the only time and in this only time that we see it happening are they speaking in languages or are they speaking some prayer language are they speaking some ecstatic gibberish no they are literally speaking in language because the people that are hearing are saying we hear what they're saying in our own language so the only time the only time the only time that we see that happening that's not a pattern for us we can change the rules as we go because this is what you guys are saying to do you're saying they're unknown and known tongues and by the way someone says well who knows what they're saying God always knows it God knows which is why Paul writes a letter saying that you don't know that's why I want you guys to be quiet saying ignorant things that's my words but Paul's words in chapter 12 I don't want you saying things ignorantly going back to 1 Corinthians 14 he says so with yourselves look what he says guys since you are eager for the manifestation of the spirit for the pneumatone remember since you are eager Cicilocan Biberian since you are eager for the spiritual things look what Paul says strive this is a or seek this is a desire this is a command strive to excel in what or it could domain building up the church now did I just make that up I literally just read that he said strive in building up the church so far we've come across this word several times so far up to 1 Corinthians 14 12 so far every time we've seen this word to build up it has always been always been to build up others it's what it's always been so 1 Corinthians 14 13 therefore so now in view of all of that what Paul just said one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret so if you speak in this language and let's just say you're not sure if it's an actual language or if it's gibberish it's babbling what have you what did Paul just say in view of all of this make sure you interpreter you understand it doesn't necessarily mean that there has to be an outside interpreter it just means make sure you understand make sure that you that you understand that's what the word that's what this word means for interpret how do I know because look at the bottom it says to interpret to explain I still am baffled and I won't get a you know I won't have any words spent back to me in this regard but even in the debate that we had with Dr. Brandon it was only an hour when he made the statement and I said that this is what interpretation means he says that's not what the word means that's literally what the word means and he was that's literally what the word means so there needs to be some understanding on whose part well biblically speaking and every time that we see it he needs to be on the part of the speaker so if I'm speaking in tongues I need to know what I'm saying the intended audience because every time that Paul talks about these tongues he intends for there to be an intended audience and then for those who are kind of in the periphery who also hears it which is what we see in Acts 2 we see the speaker getting up to speak he knows what he's saying the audience who's hearing it they hear the intended audience they hear it and then those who have no idea what language is being spoken Peter gets up and explains to them what was just said so now back to 13 therefore the one who speaks in tongues should pray that he may interpret for if I pray in a tongue the singular prayer, I mean the singular tongue my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful now when I said earlier if I pray and I said if I happen to if I just may pray in a tongue the reason why I use that verse because this is prosukami this is in the subjunctive meaning it's a possibility so you would say this may which is why you say if I just so happen to pray if I may pray, by the way the little interpretation is if I may pray in a tongue now here's a problem my spirit prays without question my spirit is trying to do something so what Paul is saying I said too people that speak in tongues I think that there is a genuine desire so let me say this again guys I think that for the most part and I shouldn't say for the most part because I know people's heart but I say in many cases there is a genuine desire for the person that's speaking in his tongues even if they're doing it unbiblically there's a genuine desire to connect spiritually there's a genuine zealousness for the things of the spirit I do believe that not with everybody because some folks are just faking it some folks are just flat out lying some folks are just bamboozling others but there are some that's spoken in tongues with a genuine desire to want the things of the spirit but now Paul did say so in doing so make sure that you do so if you are striving for that strive for what builds up the church not for what builds up yourself he keeps rebuking you for that he says don't strive for what builds up the church and so he says if a person prays in a tongue the singular tongue he says my spirit prays and again my spirit might be praying but my mind is unfruitful well there's a problem I don't know there's a problem because there's a solution that Paul gives immediately notice what's missing in the solution verse 15 what am I to do what am I to do I will pray with my spirit okay but I will pray also with my mind or no A wait a second hold on Paul because I'm noticing something absent conspicuously absent in verse 15 what's missing praying in tongues what's missing is Paul didn't say so what I'm going to do is I'm going to pray in my spirit while I'm praying in tongues and praying with understanding Paul didn't say that he said instead what I'll do what I'm going to do now what will I do I will pray with my spirit but pray with my understanding what I'm praying he didn't come back and say pray in the spirit I mean pray in tongues he didn't come back and say that if you say that's what he's saying now you're adding words there's literally nothing in verse 15 that says that verse 14 is the problem verse 14 is the problem verse 15 is the solution which one should you do and don't add to it and don't take away but which one should you do pray with the spirit but pray with understanding now let's continue what am I to do pray with my spirit and pray with understanding otherwise if you give thanks with your spirit how will anyone in the position of the outside say amen he's expecting someone on the outside to hear what you're saying they can't say amen you might be in your heart you might be giving thanks well enough but no one knows what you're saying there's the problem people have to know what you are saying so if you give thanks with your spirit how can anyone know in the position of the outside to say amen or give thanks because no one knows what you're saying for you may be giving thanks well enough but the other person is what here's that word again guys not being built up ok, adon maytai that person is not being built up so if you're in these tongues if you've got tongues all over the place nobody else is being built up paul is making this into a negative as well here if that escapes you then it's only because you are refusing to see it I'm sorry you may be giving thanks well enough you may literally mean it you are detaching context how so I'm reading the thought hadn't changed paul wants it to be unity paul wants it to be unity even when it comes to spiritual gifts he doesn't want you to be ignorant and the spiritual gifts he wants you to build up others now, he said the same thing you should be building up others what has been the thing all throughout others, others, others but then you guys go to 1st Corinthians 14 4 and says no it's no longer about others it's about me for this one verse now that's detaching the context he says again for you may be giving thanks well enough but the other person is not being built up what's the point the other person is not being built up I thank God I can't I think can you go over to the greek in verse 17 sure no problem I hate going over to the greek sumain gar kalos eukarystes which is you indeed for well you are giving thanks but ha heteras the other person the other person is not being built up by the way because someone said the other day Cory you don't know greek Cory is faking he doesn't really know greek okay Biberin and I did not coordinate this where he asked me are you a male I'm assuming Biberin did not ask me did not coordinate with hey I want you to speak greek over this passage you indeed sumain gar kalos eukarystes which is for you indeed well might be giving thanks but here's the but but the other person what's the but for what is the but for let's help you out let's help biberin biberin indeed means it's a sure thing no you know it no it does not no that does not that is listen no I'm gonna challenge you to just do some basic greek study that is not what that means that means that person is doing the right thing indeed means it's a sure thing no no no he said that you indeed what's the indeed referring to the main by the way when you look at this main how you take the main is you gotta look at what it's referring to so it's the giving things so yes you indeed listen you are giving things and again I said again I've never stated that the people that do so don't legitimately have a spiritual and a heart concern for what they're doing again Paul I said before saying the people that are speaking in tongues in the wrong way are doing so because they're not safe he's not rebuking them to the point where you guys are horrible you are false teachers you're heretics he's not what he's saying he's saying since you are so desirous so zealous of these spiritual things desire to build up the body if you want to show how spiritual you are if you want to show how zealous you are will be zealous for the building up of the body that's keeping what Jesus said again love others not yourself now he says for you may be giving things well enough there's that word but by the way I love you just want to let you know but the other person is not being built up what has Paul been saying thus far all through 1 Corinthians 14 and 12 it's about the other person even 13 he takes one chapter to talk about loving other people I thank God I thank God that I speak now notice what he says he speaks he goes to the plural whereas the people that were doing it the wrong way were doing it with a singular tone I thank God that I speak in Glossis more than all of you but nevertheless in church I would rather speak five words with my mind there it is five words with understanding with my mind knowing in order to what instruct others these words Paul in order to instruct others henakai alus so in order that also others in others may be instructed verse 20 we're getting your verse 28 in just a second we're getting to your verse 28 because by the way guys think about what if all of you tongue talking foot stopping folks actually believe what I believe in regards to spiritual gifts what if all the charismatic and pentecostal in the world thought that like I thought that all the spiritual gifts are for other people and they desired to show their spiritual gifts what if you wanted to really show off your spiritual gifts and you understood that spiritual gifts for other people how great how wonderful would not only the church be but would this world be the problem is let me just stop for a second and just deal with my pentecostal and charismatic I made up a name my pentecostal my pentecostal and charismatic brothers and sisters how wonderful since you are the fastest growing segment of the church how wonderful would it be if your desire would be for other people more so than for yourself prophesying to yourself enriching yourself not all of you how great would that be how great would that be if when you spoke in tongues it was to benefit other people if when you did different things it was to benefit other people now it's not just you what if we all have that same mentality it's for the other people if our home point in life is not for yourself but for others Jesus said not me Jesus said let your light so shine that people will use or see your see your good gift see your works and what glorify God if you are not shining if salt loses its saltiness the bible says you people that are edifying yourself you are good for nothing you are to be thrown out and trampled on the foot you are to be used for the benefit of other people otherwise why are you here you're saved now you're just taking up space if you're not going to be if your salvation doesn't benefit others if your salvation is only benefitting you will then shame on you so let's continue do not be children in your thinking be infants but be infants and evil but in your thinking be mature by the way the law is written by the people of strange tongues in this passage as he's quoting here guys this where he's quoting he is quoting he's actually quoting Isaiah and Deuteronomy listen he's speaking of actual actual languages he's actually he's speaking of actual languages notice what he says verse 22 thus the tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers while prophecies are a sign not for unbelievers but for believers and by the way this is going to be taken two ways is to be spoken to those who don't believe the gospel as well as to the Jews because what did you say I'll give you a sign and now you've got like we see in 1 Corinthians in Acts 2 not actually because they were Jews but Acts 8 Acts 10 Acts 19 when we see these people speaking in these languages in those three chapters those three places the Jews stand up and take note that someone other than Jews also have the Holy Spirit so the unbelieving Jews which would Paul's problem going to be in Romans these unbelieving Jews aren't getting it but God has stated he's going to make these Jews jealous by these people or not a people these Gentiles and they are going to be ministers of the new covenant and in turn share the gospel but that's another story verse 23 if the whole church come together and all speak in tongues and outsiders or unbelievers enter will they not say that you are out of your mind that's what we say now even believers say so but if all prophesy give a revelation and an unbeliever or outsider enters he is convicted by all that and he is called to account by all the secrets of his heart are disclosed and so falling on his face he will worship God and declare that God is really among you verse 26 and we're coming to your passage what then brothers when you come together with him each one has a lesson each one has revelation a tongue which is true every time you come to church the Lord told me this I got a revelation I got some tongues to speak I got a song in my heart how about you got to sit down and shut up in your heart how about that how about we do that too many of us have feel like the Lord is used to say something rather than when is the Lord using you to sit down and be quiet and listen somebody said well Corey at my church you know what no I have no problem with going and sitting out and just listening let me hear somebody think well no Corey you really no I really don't want to run the show I really don't I'm not all that interested at this point in running the show that's not that issue I can sit down and be led and listen look what he says in the verse 26 hey look there's that word again one for edification for building up hmm interesting thing is he said all things should be done here's the Greek Pentepros Oikidemene all things to the building up and this is where to be done but all things are to be done for the building up Paul is saying do all these things for the building up of others if anyone speaks in a tongue let there be only two or at the most three and each in turn let someone interpret there's got to be interpretation there's better beats interpretation but you guys are interpreting you guys are listen if you guys that roll so hard for tongues you might be right if you guys actually did the biblical part of it the interpreting part and there are actually languages that'd be different but there is no interpret let each one of them keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God now Biberian kept referring to verse 28 my question is why why is verse 28 speaking about building yourself up and I need to see your face Biberian I need to see your face Biberian why are you referring to verse 28 does verse 28 refer in any way class does verse 28 in any way shape from a fashion refer to anyone or speak about anyone being built up no it does not it tells the person that speaking in this tongue to shut up interesting never forget we had a young lady at our church this was wow 25 hold on what years this is 2023 it was about 25 years ago 23, 24, 25 years ago Dr. Bold was preaching wonderful sermon and the young lady just goes speaking in tongues young lady goes speaking in tongues and so what does he do by the way this is actually a question on my ordination what do you do when it happens well I just so happen to have it visualize before me he sat and listened to her okay he couldn't understand really what she was saying now maybe he could I don't know I was a little further away from him than to her heard her speak and asked her or asked anyone is there anyone to interpret what she just said is there anyone no and so he says be quiet now what he did was afterwards took her outside and explained to her as she understood she's got excited she said I'm sorry pastor what happens I get that I get that listen a lot of people are going to get excited in the college football season basketball season so pro football season get it really excited and do and say some things we get that but we don't want to just do and say things just because in this passage beabarin says what you say in regards to this passage you said it says to continue speaking in tongues to yourself and to go wow hold on wait a second alright beabarin it says to continue speaking in tongues to yourself and to God beabarin I love you I really do we're going to take away the brian part we're going to take away the brian part I'm sorry look what it says let's go back to it if anyone speaks in a tongue let there be only two or at the most three the verse 27 because I think you're trying to make a comparison and each in turn and let someone interpret but if there is no one to interpret let each one of them keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God now can I ask you a question one of two things one of two things brian either he's telling us tell that person to go speak in their language or speak in an unknown language speak in tongues how do you know he's telling speak in tongues how do you know he's telling you speak in tongues you make the assumption he just says go speak how do we speak matter of fact by the way here's how we know it's not speaking in tongues here's how we know it's not speaking in tongues because every time in the Bible every time in the Bible where it's talking about speaking in tongues it says either lale speaking followed by glow size we never see speaking meaning anything other than speaking unless tongues are added to it you just added that you literally just listen love you but you literally and I'm doing this for the benefit of other people see it you literally just added inserted tongues there he didn't say that he said shut up and go and speak to God by yourself now he said to make sure that you understand what you're saying though when you speak to God understand what you're saying again if you want to go and speak tongues to God and you don't know what you're saying you violated the other half the first half of the Bible the first half first Corinthians 14 so now let's go ahead and jump through this and let's go to let's go to Jude because Sister LaSanne wrote this up and so I want to make sure that we cover this because there are some that might think that Jude 20 says that this is where you should pray in tongues but you beloved building yourselves up on the most holy faith praying in the Holy Spirit Sister this is not speaking in tongues and this is not for you at a fire building yourself up first of all praying is not a spiritual gift that's number one but two but you hey Mace is the plural you so you all building yourselves up so what he's literally saying what he's literally saying here in the Greek is you all build up other people y'all build up others like he was saying like Jude was saying not Jude but Peter and Paul was saying in other passages outside of first Corinthians and oh by the way this praying in the Holy Spirit y'all stop saying that praying in the Spirit or praying in the Holy Spirit means praying in tongues it is not it is not I hope I'm not offending any of you guys but she said sister unknown tongues is spiritual prove it if a pastor says unknown tongues are spiritual they're just hidden what we have to do is divorce ourselves from some teaching that we've got and just go with the scriptures if the scriptures don't say so then they don't say so let's just leave it like it is in the Spirit or in the Holy Spirit does not mean tongues it just means in with or accordance with the Spirit being led by, accompanied by under the authority of that's all it means now my question is if you want to speak in tongues fine alright go ahead speak in tongues but I then do if I if I hear them or if anyone else hears them we then have the right to judge you and you're speaking in tongues according to the scriptures do we not if you speak in tongues do we not have the right the authority to judge your tongues according to the scriptures so if you want to go in your prayer closet or you want to go in your back room or your basement or whatever and you want to go to speaking in tongues letting loose fine and no one hears you the moment someone hears you they got the right to judge you according to the scriptures I shouldn't have heard it then huh because if I heard it there better be some interpretation there better be some interpretation according to the scriptures so how this is to be taken in summation how this is to be taken the bible does say, Paul does say yeah you're edifying yourself that's all you're doing is Paul's point that's all you're doing and again if you're around like minded saints that's fine you can be around like minded saints but they can still judge you once one of them starts reading the bible and says hey listen what are you saying what are you talking about they have the right to ask you that and according to if you can't give what you're saying one according to Paul you are speaking nah I'm not being, it's not a put down but he's saying you're speaking unknowingly you should know what you're saying that's wrong and if one of them were to say within according to 1 Corinthians 14, 26, 27 then you are to be silent go home and speak to God by yourself if you're all sitting up in the church and just going to tongues over here tongues over there, tongues over here or the preachers in the middle of this preaching goes and speaking in tongues he's to be silent, everybody to be silent that's what the word says so who is who is edified by tongues the same person is edified by every other spiritual gift the body if the body isn't getting edified if the body is not being edified there will be some that disagree that's fine find me the passage though that says that tongues edify yourself we're debating first four then I will then I will reconsider but at present we don't have that anyway guys I love you so much obviously some of you guys will be convinced most won't but it's fine we have till eternity to get this right once eternity takes place then we're good and by the way, I love you all even though they disagree with me even though they think that I'm wrong that I don't have the Holy Spirit and so forth I won't make the same accusation towards you I believe that you guys are the desirous of the spirit so am I and I have to use the scripture that the spirit gave us to determine how much so I'm in leads with the word of God amen


Welcome to this session. In the previous session we have seen take away game and discuss the optimal play of players. We also introduced the formal definition of combinatorial games. So to recall in a combinatorial game there are 2 players, a combinatorial game there are 2 players make moves alternatively is the first point. The second point is that there are finite set of possible moves. Then we also have to specify the rules specifying this rules specify how players make what are the possibilities a player has from a given position or given a once a player makes a move the next player where he can lead to all that the rules are specified movements from a position other positions. So this is a very important thing and then we also need to say that the game ends when a player cannot make a move and then the fifth one is game eventually ends. So these 5 rules specify a combinatorial game. These are the definition for a combinatorial game. Now we need to understand these 5 rules does not say who is winning or anything. So the winning in general are specified by 2 things one is called normal play the other is called major play. In a normal play the last player to make a move winners he is the winner. In major play the last player to make a move is loser. So despite the fact that seemingly they look the negation of the other but they are different we will see them later. So we also discussed about the positions. So there is something called n position the other is called p position. A position in a game in a combinatorial game is called n position if the person who is going to make a move from that position he is going to be the winner whereas in a p position the person who had made the move the previous person who made the move he is the going to be the winner. So these are mainly for win-loss games. Here we are not considering the draw option of course it is possible to include the draw option. Now let us look at the simple game and we will discuss how this can be done. Let us look at the champ game I will consider a very simple champ game. So this is the poison. Now this is the initial position. Now from here what happens is that there are multiple possibilities that can happen. So from here it can go to the following thing this is this happens if this particular thing is taken by the player. Now it is also possible that it can go to this position if this happens if the player one takes this and of course there is another possibility is this one. Now from here it leads to only one this thing this is the terminal position and from here again it goes to this and from here it can go to either this or this and so this is known as a game tree. Of course even though I have written it like this putting this one but we can actually say that the game tree has the following thing there is a position here and from here there are several possibilities and then this gives you another position of the game and from here again go and like this goes and finally there will be terminal positions and in this terminal position it may be it will say whether player one is winner.  What I mean to say that here the player one or the left player or the blue player is winner in this case blue player is winner. Now in this case red player is winner and in this case it is a draw. So this game tree is a very very powerful idea in fact we will explore this game tree in a later course later part of the course. So right now we will present a very important result where we use this idea of game tree. So in fact if we recall we have not said anything about the following fact. Given a game how do we know that a person can win or not so is this possible is it really possible that the person one of the player will always win. So that result is actually given by what is known as a very famous result due to Jermelo. So we will use this we will discuss this Jermelo's theorem which actually tells that in any game of whatever we have been discussing a either the first player has a winning strategy or the second player has a winning strategy or there is a draw. So what it says is that in any game WLD so player 1 has a winning strategy or player 2 has a winning strategy or the game ends in a draw. So in any game one of the 3 holds. So in any commutative game with we are taking this win, loss, add draw all 3 possibilities are there in such games only one of these 3 will hold either 1 holds or 2 or 3. So this result is a very very bold result and Jermelo's actually has discussed this problem in connection with chess. So let us the chess is a quite an interesting game in the sense that of course it looks like that chess is a finite game but is it really finite game. See for example in chess you can actually repeat certain moves and if you repeat certain moves then what happens is that the chess is not going to be a finitely terminating game. So in order to make it finite people impose rules like for example if you repeat the position thrice the game ends in a draw with those restrictions the chess becomes a finitely terminating game and then the Jermelo's theorem tells you that in chess either white player has a winning strategy or black player has a winning strategy or the game ends in a draw. So that is the consequence of the Jermelo theorem. So let us try to prove this Jermelo's theorem how we will prove this the proof of Jermelo's theorem. So the proof is based on induction yesterday we have already seen the induction so once again we apply this induction and we prove it this Jermelo's theorem how we go about the proof. So in the induction step first it is based on the depth of the game tree. So what I mean by depth of the game tree suppose you take this so if this is the starting position now here there are 3 possibilities and then from here there are 2 possibilities and then it ends to this terminal node these are known as the terminal nodes from here again these are the moves and it goes and so here these nodes are terminal nodes these are the terminal nodes. Terminal nodes is where it is whether it is a win, loss or draw that is decided let us go back to the previous thing. So in this game let us rewrite this game once again here in the simple chump game to see it. So let us look at this chump game so the one choice as I said is it is it will be like this the other choice is the other is this. Now from here from here it comes to so now this is the terminal position this is the terminal position this is a terminal position. Now let us look at it if this is the first choices are by blue and after this red makes the decision and here again blue made the decision. So let us look at it in this case. So here it is a blue is the winner and here it is the red winner and here again the red winner. So let us look at it the blue has taken this one and therefore it has come and red has taken one of this one and therefore it has come and blue is the last person to take a move and then red is forced to take the poisonous chocolate and hence the blue person is winner. Remember we are looking at a normal play here. So these are the terminal nodes. So now going back to this so as I said we are going to the use this depth of this game tree. Depth is basically the what it means is that so for example in this game the depth is here 1, 2, 3, 4 basically this entire length length of this there are three steps it is going down. So we are looking at this thing and if when there is a zero depth means we are at terminal nodes. Depth is 1 means 1 position above terminal. So like this we can we have the definition of depth. Now once the depth is there so we will use this induction. Induction is basically we use induction depth is basically is what we use and first thing is that we need to show to prove the induction to use the induction we need to the first we need to prove this if depth is 0 it automatically it means win or loss or draw is already determined. Therefore if the depth is 0 means it is already determined. Now what we do is that induction hypothesis we assume that the result the theorem is true for all game trees with depth less than n. If the depth is less than n we are assuming that the theorem holds true. Then next in the next step we need to prove the theorem for game trees with depth equals to n. So let us look at it it becomes very easy to see the proof. So now the depth is n.  Let me call this as t1, t2, t3, t4 whatever tk. So what here k is basically the number of moves available from this position. Now look at this each of these sub trees t1, t2 this tk have depth less than n that is the interesting part here. Because already this position and from there they make the move and from this position we know that from this position we know that the depth is n but already we made a move. So therefore the depth has to be less than n. So that each t1 each of what essentially let me write it here each t1, tk have depth less than n. Therefore by induction hypothesis viewing this t1, tk as games on their own one of the three holds. So what do we mean by one of the three? Let us go back to the statement either player one has a winning strategy or player two has a winning strategy or game ends in a draw one of these three holds. So that means it is possible that t1 may be a win of one some player like that t2 same like this tk the same thing happens. So whatever it is what it says is that in t1 we know that let us say one of the player is winning or t2 is there. So now what the player at this position can see is that he will look at in t1 his winner or not or draw which is the best possibility. Again in t2 is he winning or not? Who is winning? See remember let us say if this position here let us say in these things let us say blue has made the move. That means if I say that t1 the game tree t1 is a winning game let us say if t1 is that is a t1 is winning position for player one implies. So this position let me call this as a star, star is winning position for player two. It is quite obvious to see this fact because remember one point which I would like to stress here is that in all these games it is not important who the player is. The important point is who the player who is making the move who is not making the move the player to make a move. So in t1 is a winning position for player one means what? The person who is going to make a move at the position t1 he is the winner. If the person who is making the move at t1 is going to winner in fact if you recall that the notation n this t1 is called n, t1 is n position. So if t1 is n position star is going to be p position. So therefore t1 is a winning position for player one that is t1 is an n position star is going to be a p position. Of course there is a small thing I do not want to use this n position and p positions here this is just to illustrate this idea only I have used but because there is a draw here when n and p positions we are using is that draw is not taken care here. So let us we will not use this n and p positions further in this proof but this is just to illustrate. If t1 is a winning position for player one star is going to be winning position for player two. So in other sense by that induction hypothesis we know this t1 can be replaced by let us say player two winning position maybe t1 could be for player two winner here it could be player one here it could be draw whatever it is. Now this blue player who is making the decision at this place so he is going to be decide which of these choices are giving him the best. So there are finitely many choices here there are finitely many choices and which one of them he is going to choose therefore if all of them are losing positions if t1 is a losing position for player one t2 is also losing position for player two t3 is also losing position for player all of them are losing positions then there is no it becomes a this blue player is going to be the loser here and whatever it is he will choose one of them. In this sense what you are what we are really saying is that the induction hypothesis says that with depth is equals to n implies the three points that may recall one is player one has winning strategy second is player two has winning strategy third is draw game ends in draw. So one of these three holds for the t1, t2, tk and hence for depth is equals to n theorem holds for depth is equals to n this now induction completes the proof of the theorem. So to summarize this theorem what we have really used is just a very simple mathematical principle of induction. What we have said is that if the depth is 0 then obviously the winners are winner winning either it is a winning position or a losing position or draw for the players that is determined automatically. If the depth is less than n we are assuming that the theorem is true and then we are showing that if the depth is equals to n then also one of these three holds. So that proof is very very simple and which we have gone through this one. So this theorem actually has introduced us the very crucial point in sense. So like yesterday we have used this take away game there it became it was little easier so how we can say whether a game has a winner or not. So we can use this theorem to say that in any comminutral game with win last draw one of these three always will hold. So that is the essence of this theorem we keep using this theorem again and again in this comminutral theory part as well as in the other parts of this course. So we end this session with this and we will continue it in the next session.