This is Think Tech Hawaii, Community Matters here. Welcome to Think Tech Hawaii, and it never got quiet. This is a half-hour program that explores the Hawaiian connection with the Vietnam War. I'm your host, Vic Rapp. Our guest today is Gene Timonok. Hope I got that right. Gene is a graduate of Merendold High School in Honolulu and the University of San Francisco. He began his military career in the U.S. Army Reserve Officer Training Corps. He was commissioned in 1963. Gene served two tours in Vietnam, 1965 through 66, and again in 1968, departing in 1969. He was awarded the Bronze Star Medal and the Army Commendation Medal. Gene began a long and productive career with St. Francis Health Care System, serving in several capacities, beginning as their first Director of Development with the organization and retiring in 2007, holding the positions of President and Chief Executive Officer for St. Francis Health Care Foundation and St. Francis Residential Care Community and Chief Foundation Officer St. Francis Health Care System of Hawaii. In 1984, Gene took a leave of absence from St. Francis to become Managing Director of the County of Hawaii. He returned to St. Francis Medical Center in 1987. In 1993, he was appointed trustee for the King Lunalilo Trust Estate by the Hawaii Supreme Court. Gene has written a book titled, Almost a Hero, and he is with us here today to talk about his experience in Vietnam and his book. Aloha and welcome Gene. How you doing? Fine, thank you. First of all, before we get into your book, you had a number of tasks inside the Army. Could you explain exactly what happened to you and part of your career? I know it's going to be in your book, but I'd really like to hear about it. Yeah, I've had an interesting career in the Army, beginning with ROTC. And upon graduation, I was commissioned immediately. So I was equal to someone from West Point, which meant I had my first job immediately. And my first assignment was at Fort Ord, California. I had to train push recruits. And if you recall at that time, there was a draft going on. Every eligible 18-year-old had to register for the draft, and then get into the military. Well, at Fort Ord, it was training for the infantry. So for two months, I had to train the recruits. And then later went on to school Fort Knox, Kentucky, with armor training. But moving forward, I guess that kind of beginning and with a Jesuit training at the University of San Francisco, it kind of propelled me into my life's vision, as it turns out. Never satisfied with what I was doing. I always felt like there was room for change, and I wanted to be an agent of change. But at the same time, I realized that we have a structure, national structure. In my case, in my early years, it was a military. So I try to serve in whatever capacity to benefit the people of the United States. And for me, in a way, reflecting now and speaking with you, being half Hawaiian and having seen what happened in Hawaii, kind of put me in a position, well, how can you do that? You saw the United States came and took over the monarchy and so forth. And that kind of weighed on me, as I carried on my duties. And I was fortunate that my verse assigned me. It's put me in command position. So now I could exercise thought and vision rather than just present myself and beautifully do what I'm told. And I think over the past, and in my book, I try to point it out, the book is not about war per se. It's how I handle it as an individual, as a Hawaiian. Because we weren't just soldiers. We looked like the enemy in many cases. I was even stopped at one of the gates because I just happened to be out with my commanding major. And we're playing volleyball outside of the compound. When we came back, we had our only T-shirts on. My commander was black. He said, I don't have my ID because we left it in the barracks. So it passed through. I was sitting next to him. He said, where's your ID, sir? I said, I forgot my ID. They wrote me up and gave me a ticket. I didn't understand, but I had a ticket for not having my proper uniform on and not having an ID, not the black major. Fortunately, as you know, Hawaiians stick together. So I went and saw the Hawaiians that worked in the Provo Marshall's office. I never had to answer the ticket. But what I'm getting at is the book tries to express how one man's conflict, not only in the war zone, but also in himself. Because I also looked at the Vietnamese as another brown people. And although my wife was Caucasian, I still had to press myself in ways that I felt was my duty and my responsibility. So throughout the book, I talk about these different incidences, not again about war and the ugliness of war, but how I, one individual, one Hawaiian, reacted and took care of this. It was that simple as far as I'm concerned. But again, as I point out in the book, it almost hurt. I came back to Hawai'i twice at the International Airport. And other soldiers came off the airplane. And there were tourists all over. And you know, Hawai'i had changed during the six years. And as I walked, I was looking for my wife and I started waiting. And no one else was waiting. And no one said, welcome home here. I just won the bronze star. I was up for the Legion of Merit. Previously, I had gotten an Army Commendation Award. And I think I had provided projects and to answer supply shortages that I felt could have shortened the war. And let me just explain this one incident. Our helicopters were out of ammunition, out of supplies. And the VCs were moving down north and taking over a lot of villages. And a complaint we had in transportation headquarters was that we didn't have the supply. And so I just sat there because I was responsible for the helicopter supplies. So I said, to the major, that black major, I think I have an answer. So he takes me to McVee, where all the top colonels were there. The Army, Navy, Air Force, all bird colonels. And here's this black major and this brown captain. And we go in there and the major believed me, said, tell them your plan. So I told them what I wanted to do. But they would have to take concerted effort of all the major services because we had to transport the ammunition and other supplies from the Philippines into Vietnam. The Navy has to coordinate the landing. Army got to move it. They got to move it south. The Air Force got to fly it. It has to be a concerted effort. And I demonstrated how it would be done. And I waited. At the head of the table was a full bird on maternal. So I waited. He looked at me, says, Captain, how long have you been in the military? Probably, I said, six years, sir. And he looked at me and said, I've been in this man's army for 30 years. And I'm not about to give an approval on a plan that might work. I handed in my resignation at that point. I just could not believe these bird colonels, all sixes, telling me we can't move forward on a plan that may work. Anyway, so just ask you briefly. It goes with the no good deed goes unpunished. That's right. For me, the war, like I said, was complex as an individual. And again, I try to reflect that in the book. And because of my position, both in 65 and 68, this was right during the Tet offensive, I was sent all over the place. I never knew where I was going. I just got the orders and I was gone. And I couldn't tell anybody where I was going, because I didn't know. I just had to open up my orders and go. And many times in most instances, I traveled alone armed with a .45 caliber pistol. And that was it. And I got on airplay. And I think at times, I was able to board the aircraft, whatever it would be, a fixed wing or helicopter ahead of other officers, higher ranking officers, because they didn't know who I was. They'd see the brass of my collars. They'd look at me, the stall Hawaiian Filipino boy that looked like the enemy. And they couldn't. The Vietnamese soldiers salutes me. They didn't know what was happening, because I was in my combat gear. And so in a way, it helped me move around the country. But on the other hand, it really hurt. And like I said, when I finally come home, there was no greeting, no band, no flag waving, just one woman, see, in her southern drawl. That was my timing. That's more than a lot of us got. That's right. And you were very lucky to have that. That's right.  Kentucky. Or Kentucky, pardon me. Louisville, Kentucky. Desegregation was just occurring in 1964 and 1965 with the Civil Rights Act and also with the Voting Rights Act.  Very much. Again, I told you I was at Fort Ord. And then we traveled two other officers, one Caucasian and one Spanishman. And the first night we were in Louisville, the guy said, hey, let's go get a drink. Good idea. It's been a long ride. So we go to the nearest bar in downtown Louisville. And it was a jumping place. And we're in uniform. And we go in. The Caucasian guy goes in. Nothing. The Spanish-Mexican guy goes in. Nothing. I was stopped. And so they came to my aid and said, hey, what's happening in Hawaii? So I took out my ID and I have carried a state ID all these years. So I showed him my state ID.  Pass on. Pass through. Well, I had a grand time. But again, to answer your query, yes, it was difficult. So I made you, you must have had a subconscious thought or at least that feeling while you were there. Well, yeah, constantly. And I did marry the girl I met there in Louisville. So, you know, and I was kind of taken aback because my wife had said the wedding will be in Louisville. And sure enough, no problem. I'll tell you what, Gene, psychologically it was there. We'll get back to talk more with Gene about his book and his experiences after these messages. This is Think Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. Hi, I'm Ethan Allen, host of likeable science on Think Tech Hawaii. Every Friday afternoon at 2 p.m., I hope you'll join me for likeable science. We'll dig into science, dig into the meat of science, dig into the joy and delight of science. We'll discover why science is indeed fun, why science is interesting, why people should care about science and care about the research that's being done out there. It's all great, it's all entertaining, it's all educational, so I hope to join me for likeable science. I'm Helen Dora Hayden, the host of Voice of the Veteran, seen here live every Thursday afternoon at 1 p.m. on Think Tech Hawaii. As a fellow veteran and veteran's advocate with over 23 years experience serving veterans, active duty and family members, I hope to educate everyone on benefits and accessibility services by inviting professionals in the field to appear on the show. In addition, I hope to plan on inviting guest veterans to talk about their concerns and possibly offer solutions. As we navigate and work together through issues, we can all benefit. Please join me every Thursday at 1 p.m. for the Voice of the Veteran. Aloha. Welcome back to Never Got Quiet. We're speaking today with Gene Tawanak about his book, Almost a Hero. Gene, I have a question for you. One of my favorite writers was Robert Heinlein. One of his Whittier quotes was, writing is not necessarily something that is to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterward. I've only read the excerpt on the blog site, Almost a Hero, on the Hero's 50 website. Your style is engaging, and I look forward to reading the rest of the book. So what is it that motivated you to write? Is it your attempt at the great American novel or is it just something that you compelled that you needed to share?  You do do it in private. And unfortunately, I think in my case, the private moments were like two, three o'clock in the morning. And I never had any inclination or desire to write a book. Somehow it came out of me. And once I started, I couldn't stop. And looking back, when the manuscript was finished, the first draft, I couldn't believe those words came out of me and those thoughts came out of me. How I remember, I'll never know. And I did a lot of research, obviously, when you're writing a book, to be a number, and so forth, what was really happening everywhere at that time in the United States, especially. But I never planned to write it.  The title of the book is called Almost a Hero, a Vietnam, a soldier, Vietnam Journal. I picked that title just, it came to me. And the reason for the title is that during the 60s, before the war really erupted, every eligible 18-year-old had to sign up for the draft. So that meant once the war began, they could have been sent or was already sent to Vietnam. And I think the number was like half a million soldiers eventually gone. So in my mind, everybody that was signed up could have been a hero. And to me, anyone who was killed, wounded, or otherwise maimed, were heroes. Fortunately, after two tours, I was unstressed. And so therefore, I, like many others, could have been, we were almost a hero. And, you know, I just felt so strongly because of my experiences there, and you never knew what would happen day after day, and how you would survive. And you didn't survive as far as I learned with your mindset. You just did whatever was necessary. I remember one time, we were a rocket attack, and before the rocket hit the ground, I was off my bunk and running. And when I got down, the rocket started coming in. I just lie down.  That wasn't my survival as a rocket hit.  But anyway, you know, like I said, it's an experience that you don't plan. You just react. Oh, but it must, it obviously had an impact on your life and how you think. You say you weren't wounded, but a lot of folks came back with PTSD, and our souls were wounded in a way, especially with this Ken Burns documentary showing so much that we didn't know. And I couldn't watch it. I started watching it, and I disagreed, because I just felt like it told a story in a broader sense, but I needed to get to the individual, because each one of us were heroes, potential heroes. And each one of us, no matter what branch of service, no matter what your calling was in terms of duty, you reacted. So I felt that there was not enough of an individual input that I stopped watching. I just said, I can't watch this anymore. But you're right. Until I wrote the book, I never thought of Vietnam. I don't know why. Maybe it was inside. I didn't want to talk about it. Maybe I was wounded more than I realized emotionally. I don't know. But when I wrote the book, that's why I say I don't know how I brought all of these images back. And I talked to a couple of people who assisted me, and they too, one fellow especially, he was with the 25th Infantry Division, and he was the lead platoon to bring the division into Vietnam. And he had the same reaction. He had a different mission than I did, but his reaction as an individual was essentially the same. So when we talked, I felt that we were on the same level.  I didn't have to do that. Well, the thing about Vietnam is there was no frontline, and nobody was safe from a rocket or a mortar attack or even being sniped at. So I was relating to your story about the rockets coming in. I always felt that my buttons were in the way for me getting any lower. Well, I'll tell you, for me, my greatest fear would be, excuse me, sitting on the John when the rocket hit.  I had an experience like that. The shrapnel went through the side of the wall. It was a good spot to be in. How do you feel about compulsory service?  That's right. Well, a direct answer is, I'm all for it. I wish we were back in. One of my sons is a first sergeant here in Hawaii, National Guard. It's 30 years in. I'm not even 50 yet, and he started in the Air Force Reserve. I saw what it made of him, how it assisted him, and I'm so proud of him. I have a grandchild now. I'm going to Air Force ROTC at Kaiser, and he looks great in his uniform. Like I said in the beginning, and yet, I have this tug-and-pull because I'm a native Hawaiian, and I'm thinking, we're invaded also. Why would I want my people to go out there and defend because you have? This is your life, and I think that learning experience, it's one of your science shows, begins here. I think it has to happen. I think these those that didn't go because they had deferment of some sort, it's okay for them, but I think as a national rule, it should be compulsory. It's interesting. There have been a lot of people who have been calling for National Compulsory Service, not necessarily the military, but Peace Corps or whatever, or one of our future guests is a Peace Corps volunteer, and he'll be on the program, and we're going to be talking about that in terms of the legacy of Vietnam and what it meant to him versus the other two guests that are going to be on the program, who were veterans or who are veterans, and I think what we're all looking at is, since the end of the draft, we have seen a division in America, and you're talking about we were invaded. My forefathers were the invaders, but it's still, you're looking to work as a nation, and as a group together, and that's what we did in the military, and I think an awful lot of that sectarianism or tribalism would go away if we all learned to work together. I just want to add one thing as part of this interview. This year for the first time, and why it happened, I don't know, the Fourth of July celebration, and I sat there and watched all of to-do, the rockets red, glaring, so forth, and I thought again to myself, as a native Hawaiian, that's the day that you should remember that the martin gate was overthrown. For the first time, I had this again tug-and-pull, why I don't know, maybe because I'm a little older and I've seen a lot of things happening just as you have, and I think we have to share that knowledge, share that experience with those behind us, so that they can see history as a learning episode rather than something that happened. It's happening every single day. Anyway, thank you for the question. And we're all part of that history. We still have a part to play. That's right. And I appreciate the fact that you were a psychology major. Maybe that had to do with it. I really appreciate you coming on here. And I really hope that your book turns out well. Oh, me too. I hope to turn into a television program. Well, I think we all have those aspirations of becoming writers and saying, I'm going to be on the New York Times bestseller list, but somehow or other, it takes a bit to get there. Gene, thanks for being on the program. My pleasure. And again, good luck. I'd like to have some feedback. If you have some comments, please send us an email at 808VietnamVets at gmail.com. I would like to thank the staff here at Think Tech Hawaii and for all their support and assistance. Truly without them, this program would not be possible. Please come back again next week for another issue of It Never Got Quiet.


So, watching plus politics, now the crisis brewing in the Plateau State House of Assembly has taken a new turn as the embattled speaker, Abouk Ayuba, and some of his loyalists have been arrested within the vicinity of the State Assembly in Jost. Now, the State Police Commissioner, Edward Ibuqa, and some key officials of the different security outfits in the state ushered him into a Hilux fan at about 3.15pm after laying siege at the State Assembly since dawn. Abouk was taken away through the back gate of the State Assembly shortly after security agents bombarded the peaceful protesters and journalists with tear gas and sporadic gunshots to disperse them. Well, joining us to break this down is Peter Giendeng. He is a Minority Leader at Plateau State House of Assembly. Thank you very much, Honourable, for joining us. You're welcome. Thank you. Great. Take us through what exactly happened the other day at the premises of the House of Assembly. We saw videos, we saw John Liss asking, even the Speaker, what exactly was the issue between him and the police if he was being arrested, and he wasn't able to say anything. He was not arrested. The IPI was already there. What happened was, yesterday in the morning, early hours in the morning, we entered the House of Assembly because there was a duty pedigree there, so we could not officially assess the chambers due to the problem of the alleged illegal impeachment of our Speaker. So we decided that the only way we can air our mind will stand on the part of the law is to assess the chambers and do a normal legislative function by sitting. So we assessed the chambers at early hours at 4 a.m., we waited until 10 a.m. then we started our sitting. So while we were doing that, some members, the members that allegedly removed the speaker claim that removed the speaker came, break the doors and assess the chambers and they started making trouble. On this note, the Commissioner of Police came, there were tear gas, even within the chambers. We all sat there, we said we are ready to die, we won't leave that place until that form of illegality is stopped. So we remained there until around 4 a.m., the Commissioner of Police stayed there with us and when the governor called that we should dialogue, we said, yes, this is what we want, we want our voice we had and our demand we met that our speaker is not removed. He remained our speaker. The other person that is claiming that he is now the speaker, we said he is not our speaker because he was not elected. Let's backtrack, Mr. Gang-Dang, let's backtrack to what really transpired before all of this. What led to the splits? Because you obviously are on the side of the original speaker, the first speaker before the whole house split into two. There is no fake or fake. No, no, no, no, I know this, I know this, but I am asking what exactly led to the split because of course the other person came and said that well, they do have a quorum and so they are going to suspend the speaker but what led to this, what led to the disagreement in the first place? Let's educate our viewers. There have been issues, you know, the last time the House of Assembly gave the governor two weeks or two months to meet the demands of the two people about the killings in the state is part of the resolution we made, we made about 10 resolutions and the governor have made about nine of them, only one that is yet to be met, but that did not go well with the governor on those issues we made. But the major problem was the issue of autonomy. We insisted that we must be autonomous and it did not go well, it was a battle between all the lawmakers, the 24 of us and the executive. So along the line there was no way out and we were given a partial autonomy that resulted into the feelings that the governor felt that the speaker is not respecting me enough. There are other issues, the issue of... And when you said partial autonomy, what exactly are you referring to? What is the partial part of the autonomy? It's not full autonomy, because we also have been given all that we needed to start on our own. But there was a kind of a political solution to it because there were some aspect of the percentage that we also get that was given to the judiciary because there could not be a salary. We agreed on that with the understanding that by the end of this year, when they bring their budget, we're going to adjust so that everybody will be autonomous. Those are part of the things that we're still working on and they exactly feel they want to take it all in their own way. So we have been disagreeing on that, that we want these hallowed chambers to completely stand on its own. And thank God the president governor was the former speaker of the status of assembly and he has worked, he knows everything about legislative function. So why would he want to frustrate an institution that is building to where he is today? So you're implying, Mr. Geng Deng, that those who try to impeach the speaker are those who are in support of the governor or those who feel that the speaker is disrespecting the governor. Is that right? The speaker is doing his job as the speaker. He's representing an institution. And those that perpetrated that act are people that want, they are looking for favor from the government. And we've said it, people are elected us from different constituencies. We have about 24 constituencies in the status of assembly. So why won't we stand for the interests of the people that are elected us? We can pay lip service to the government. All we need is the things that are needed to be done as the executive analysis. Mr. Geng Deng, are you still there? Should be done in the proper, you know. Yes. Go ahead. We lost your connection for a second there. Yeah. As I said, all we need from the status of assembly is to be allowed to be autonomous. I think. We should do things. So all of these are things that are. So I'm more interested in the autonomous part. Yes, of course, everybody is pushing for autonomy, both at the state and local government levels, especially for local government autonomy, judiciary, and legislative autonomy. But is this really just a fight about autonomy, monies, or is this a political fight of sorts? Because I'm looking at the House of Assembly in Platteau state and the different people who are members of the assembly, I don't know better ways of going about this than splitting the assembly into two and having the police come in to take some people away, even though you have said that it was not an arrest, but they were being whisked away. The issue of autonomy is not all about money. It's about the freedom of the legislative institution. This we know. We need to be free to carry our freedom to carry out our functions as legislators without any interference from the executive. But as you know, the executive will always want to have their way. There are resolutions that the government will want us to give there. Apologies. The internet connection with Mr. Gengdeng is a bit shaky, but hopefully we can get him back. Mr. Gengdeng, can you hear me? Let's see if we can quickly wrap this up. Yes, we know that your connection is a bit poor, but let's quickly wrap this up. Why does this go from here? Because we're yet to understand the whereabouts of these men who were whisked away by security operatives. Are they safe? Are they sound in their homes? And how is the assembly going to address this situation? If you're saying that you do not want the executive to interfere, is this the best way to deal with the issues? The best way to deal with the issue is for the executive to stay clear of the institution that was or not by law. These are issues. One, our demands are this, that we should be allowed to deal with our problem within ourselves. The 24 of us should go back to that timbers. If they want to impeach a speaker, they should do it in a legitimate way. Not to go in the night. Six, seven members should go and impeach a speaker against the total majority of 16 members. How possible is that? So all we want is we should be allowed to access the assembly, the 24 of us. Let us sit down. If they have the total majority of the impeach a speaker, they should go ahead and do that. But if they don't have a speaker, they may not have a speaker and you will lead us to the end of our tenure. All right. Well, thank you very much. Peter Ibrahim Gangden is the minority leader of the Plateau State House of Assembly. We're hoping that this issue is resolved sometime soon and for the best in the best interest of Plateau people. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break now to listen to a report on the ensuing crisis in Plateau State and memory 10. I will give you my take legislative activity started at the Plateau House of Assembly with eight members sitting and suspending the speaker. Right Honourable Nuhu Ayuba or eight are members of the embattled speakers or progressive Congress. We are 24. We are supposed to have a minimum of 16 members that will be there to sign and affirm the impeachment of a speaker. The greatest dismay were in the House of Assembly today very early in the morning. We got an information that it was an attempt to impeach a speaker. We went and we found only seven people. Myself became the eighth person before the rest came. This caused an uproar as the nine members of the People's Democratic Party in the House said they did not form a call room. Security officers later took over the House. The faction that carried out the impeachment later elected Honourable Yacobo Sander as speaker and went to the Plateau State Government House. The members of the State House of Assembly bought the PDP and the empty seat where presence on the floor of the House of Assembly. If you want me to mention names, I will mention those names. And it is on tape that they were there. So we have 16 members signed. As a gatekeeper of the Executive Amp, I apparently lead you to his ascellancy formality and formal present of something so that other details you get to hear from him. In a twist later in the day, the impeached speaker presided over a sitting of 11 other members of the House. My motion is encapsulated with two different attempts. The first is a motion of suspension on some of the members of this party chamber that have been found in some levels of gross misconduct and we dare to address our great institution, the man who signed it. They announced the impeachment of new speaker Honourable Sander and five other lawmakers for gross misconduct. They also passed a vote of confidence on right Honourable Ayuba. Let me have a look for this concept also. It is now a divided House with 12 lawmakers recognising Honourable Ayuba as speaker and the other 12 recognising Honourable Sander. It's time for my take. Now I'll start this rendition today with a quote by Barbara Taylor, right Ford, which says, the past was always there, but it had to be placed in perspective. The truth is many Nigerians are still haunted by the past tragic events like the Nigerian civil war, the various military coups and the alleged killings of N-Sars protesters in 2020. Terrorism, the likes of the kidnappings and others have left unhealed wounds in some of the citizens of this land. The Vice President advising young people to move forward and get the issues of the past is applaudable, but it's not as easy as it is stated. My advice to the government is to pursue peace with the various warring factions, even before Nigerians sustained wounds that would be forever etched in their hearts. And in the case of the crisis taking place in Platterhouse of Assembly, I ask why? Why are leaders acting like this? How will they lead us if they can't even properly maintain a good arrangement? A popular saying says, when there is peace, there is progress. Platterhouse of State has been plagued with insecurity issues over the last few years. How will the state move forward if even the leaders themselves are not level-headed? It bids me, doesn't it? But our leaders need to do better so that our country can go forward. And that's my take. I'm Mary Anna Cohn. Have a good evening.


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Oh Almost got run over by a train there So yeah a bulking recipe for Those who wants to bloat max so we can have a bloat max physique when we post it so anyway speaking of posting physics and Such matters I Just came back from the Temple of Iron Did some good old deadlifts always a joyous occasion actually For the first time in my life. I did eight repetitions at 180 kg Felt I felt good. I felt strong and I am actually loading up for a training like a classic almost lats bra style training video That I will record with my brother On Friday actually, so I have loaded up with some good sessions and on Friday I will lift excruciatingly heavy and Oh, I'm gonna get run over now quickly now run. Oh All right. 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What have you learned? He was working with a man called Le Wadi Tsun.  We've sent three assassins after him the first who found no trace the third never returned I Can find him Sivea met with one of his lieutenants. I owe it to the memory of Monsieur de la Serre to uncover the truth Perhaps you can at that You've proved yourself a true assassin today and a true assassin must have the proper tools So the concealed blade and the smoke bombs were just what you had on hand then The phantom blade a modest little update from the traditional assassins blade Where you're going you may not wish to get too close to your enemies now then assassin This council charges you to go to la cour des miracles Find there the Templar agent Le Wadi Tsun. Learn his secrets And to bring him peace we must bring this guy peace Anyway as I was saying in This episode episode 9 I listened to it It's about the Joker movie which I haven't seen yet. It's It's the life of a married man with a little child now, of course You can always solve those sort of things with a babysitter, etc. But it's a bit harder to just go to the cinema Whenever you want like that, but I don't know I might do it at some stage anyway Because it is a culturally important film I might be a bit late on commenting it So I might skip it as well. Who knows I will see But bronze age pervert mentioned something interesting in the podcast in When he talks about what he would rather see kind of movies and said Jason and the organ outs but in space and of course it reminded me a bit no not a bit wrong Word I use there. It reminded me a lot of Horace heresy or 40k Warhammer and Because you have similar themes In that setting a band of brothers out in search of powerful artifacts So Yeah, speaking of books, etc will Makes also the book review on the Horace heresy or a quote review actually because there are About three different quotes from different Horace heresy books that I have on my page the golden one dot se that I will probably Read out and talk a bit about They are so motivating So that is something I might do and I held a little vote On my telegram page if you saw that about if you are familiar with Warhammer or not So there is basically Warhammer fantasy if you have seen me play Warhammer Warhammer total war that is set in fantasy setting so it's yeah fantasy with elves and orcs and dwarves and knights and That sort of stuff then you also have Warhammer 40k and Horace heresy can be said to be 30k. So it is A thousand years before the 40k setting and that is basically science fiction. We have genetically modified demigods and Soldiers etc So yeah an interesting setting for sure So in my humble opinion at least I think Warhammer fantasy for me has always been a Successor of Tolkien's work. It's because it was a fantasy setting I went to after Seeing the films and reading the books. So basically I saw the first Lord of the Rings the Fellowship of the ring and then I read all the books In a meantime until the second film came out Had a huge impact on me when I was at that age found it highly inspiring and Motivating and of course still does now. Let's see what the crack is in this Rather dodgy part of town I suppose Kingdom of beggars, let's do it lads. I do believe that there is a lot of degeneracy Going on here. We are here as a champion of order Need to bring These people to the light of the emperor Speaking of the emperor Napoleon will actually meet him later in the game So anyway concluding my little monologue on Warhammer. 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I Will be sure to do it That man is Acolyte of slannish slannish being the god of Excess and debauchery in Well both Warhammer fans and Warhammer 4k So I do believe that we will Leave this episode here. So this is a nice short comfy autumn Gaming session and we'll pick up here the next time So thank you for watching and have a great rest of your day. XOXO boom


The People's Democratic Party's Board of Trustees has opposed moves to sack the Uche Secondness-led working committee and replace it with an Interim Ketika committee. It was gathered that at a meeting which started at 11 a.m. and presided over by the board chairman Senator Walid Gibrin, the members insisted that the national chairman Uche Secondness should be allowed to complete his tenor, which would soon end. It was also learned that the party leaders faulted what they termed as uncomplementary remarks by its members. It had been reported that the national chairman was battling to retain his position as weakest, bareheaded moves to ensure his removal before the party's National Executive Council meeting and the National Convention. Well, joining us to discuss this is political analyst Bioto Shoomi and Baba Shala Adegui. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for joining us. Thank you very much for inviting us. I'm guessing this has to be the most discussed conversation. I mean the PDP and its in-fighting and all of the drama that's been happening and that we can say the same for the opposition also, I mean for the APC, but today we're talking about the PDP. Let's start by looking at the drama that ensued over the past few days and the people who moved from the party, the members of the BOT who moved to the APC. In fact, they first resigned and then moved to the APC. One person has moved to the APC, but I want to start with you, Bioto, what do you make of this drama? A lot of people have, you know, posited that this is, you know, body movements as everybody's making preparations for 2023, but I'm sure that you think it's different. Well, there are different factors responsible for people moving at different points in time. First, you have those who felt they've lost out of the political economy that they always lived on. Out of government for over two years, they decided to move to the ruling party to still have some income and you have the second category of people.  And therefore, the best way is to join the ruling party just with the throne and your sins will be forgiven, you know. And you have this very rare situation, which is the current resignation and direct resignation of the deputies of PDP. What people are looking at is just the issue of the Miki. I don't believe it's actually Miki alone in that case. What's happened is they may have dissolved some of the problems. Each of those deputies are loyal to different people within the political party, you know, which are, there are those of them loyal to possible past term secretary of the party and, you know, past national officials. So they are the ones at work, you know, justing and trying to situate themselves in a way that they will be able to influence the outcome of the convention, which is to elect a chairman that will supervise the election of the national convention that will produce the presidential candidate. So this game is not just about Miki. Miki, on his own part, is quite very articulate, very forceful and coming out strongly, you know, against them, which is second or is not the only one in the game.  So these are these, the unforeseen, on the unseen hand plus the seen hand, Miki is the same hand and that is what is going on. Unfortunately, they are not likely going to have their way because which is second or has barely four months to go from office. It's the wrong time to move to move them. But politically speaking, it's the right time because the whole idea is to set up a convention committee, you know, that will see to the election of new chairman. Obviously, which is second or may would want to return as a national chair. So what they may have reached behind the same sentiment, but which is second or not, you know, going for another time, just buying at that convention and allowing new person to be the chairman. No one knows until when it all is out clearly. Let me come to you, Baba Shala. It's been reported that second is his rivals, reasoned that the national chairman would install his loyalists, you know, as members of the convention committee and this would pave way for his re-election. The PDP on the other hand has always made a big show of transparency during the elections over the years. And is this possible that the issue is a result of lack of transparency or internal democracy? Just like the other show me has said, could it be much more than the hand of Esau in this particular matter? Well, there is nothing wrong in which second or important is loyalists. If the national chairman has the game and he knows how to play his game very well, definitely it can get his loyalists to the national convention and get himself re-elected. Competing me, sometimes I have myself, the PDP is actually still existing in Nigeria because it's like PDP is failing as an opposition just like the way the party failed when the government, in charge of the government of Nigeria. Because sometimes I have myself, if PDP is actually seeing what is happening and listening to the years of the masses. So for me, second or administrative has not been actually performing the way an opposition party should be performing. I have to be sincere with you, I am not a member of PDP, I am not a member of APC. I am saying this as a neutral man that is looking at it from an objective way. From the performer's basis, as we said, the national chairman has failed and the whole executive, I mean the national executive of that party, needs to be reshuffled. I don't understand, what exactly do you expect the PDP to do? Because again, this is not the UK where you have a shadow minister, a shadow this or a shadow government, you don't have that. You just play plain opposition politics. And I'm not in any way trying to speak for the PDP, but let me just play the devil's advocate. They've been speaking up a lot about the insecurity in the country and a couple of other things. But what exactly do you think the PDP is not doing that makes you feel that they have failed? When the PDP was in opposition, we all knew the game APC played and we all knew there was an opposition in assistance before 2015. But immediately after 2015, when the PDP admitted or allowed APC to come into them but disintegrated the party and arrested some of their neighbors and some of their neighbors crossing into the APC, PDP went down. The last time I can talk about PDP being in a position that was when Olysa Mechu was the spokesman for the political party. Immediately after I was arrested, it was like PDP just went silent. They are not acting. They are just there. Let us see the opportunity we are looking for. Let us grab the party. They don't really understand what position being an opposition is. And that is what is killing the PDP. And I'm very sure it's because of 2023 now at the weekend and the zoocappals. And I'm looking for the opportunity to put aside this administrative, then bring in a new government, as in a new set of democracies that we want to party. So that in 2020, please, they will not shortfall on what they have already, what they have already shortfalling on the game. So although the weekend and the other group, they are not going to eat, they are not going to eat the way they should go to eat. Definitely, I think which second was elected a few years ago before the 2019 election, but then with their conversion. And according to their politics, according to their party constitution, used to be the national shaman for four years. The question is, and any of them followed the process laid down by their PDP constitution in the removal of any executive member? Well, that's a great question. I wish that they were here to answer it, but let me come back to you, show me. There have been, I want to quote something that happened in 2017 ahead of the PDP national convention. Governor Wike, the same Governor Wike that has been fingered to be against Uche Secundus, who is also his kinsman, actually had to say that he expressed absolute confidence in the candidature of Uche Secundus. How did that change in the space of less than four years?  And it's a two-pronged question. Do you think that Governor Wike has an interest in that position personally, or whoever he decides to put there might just help him in whatever ambition he has going forward? Yeah, no doubt the chairman of any political party is a very powerful man. The chairman can influence a lot of things. He has a major role to play, not only in appointing those who would be who conduct elections and influence the process. He is also so important that he could make or ma the ambition of any politician if it chooses not to be neutral in the game. Wike has been rumored for some time now to have a vice-presidential ambition. Obviously, we've had different tickets of Wike, Tamboal at the point we had about Wike, Matikou, we once had about different insinuations about Wike's ambition. But the ambition has always been, as rumored, only at the level of vice-presidential. But he's probably one of the most powerful people in PDP today. If you take it, Wike is next. So he has a call out to pursue his own interest, depending on who he asses to be a stumbling block. In the case of Secondus, Secondus was a very clear line, even though in terms of seniority, which is Secondus was his senior in politics. But they were both allies until when Wike's direction, his trajectory on 2023 came into play. And Wike, that we all know, was part with anybody the moment his interest is at stake. So he's a man very determined, very committed to his own cause, and doesn't mind stepping on anybody's toes to achieve his own goal. And that is Wike. Some people say his house is very, very determined. So the idea that Wike actually moved against Secondus should not surprise anyone. He will move against any ally if his own interest is at stake. At least that's the impression which many political conducts have about Wike. And there's nothing wrong with that, because it's all about his own personal interest. Most of the politicians in Nigeria today are there because of their interest, not really because of the people. It's always a mouth-saving thing to say that we want to serve the electorate. They're just mere slogans. We don't see that in reality, in practice, when they're political power. So quite often it has always been very self-serving, self-seeking moves within all the political parties, including the APC. So what I see happening clearly is that the problem must have reached the troops to encourage Wike to abandon the cause of removing Secondus and Wike and his allies. And then allow Secondus to fade away at the next election and pay for a new chairman to a man. It would be difficult for PDP with this crisis not to include again if Secondus is allowed to continue at the next election, because at the next time convention, because it will only cause the media crisis within the party. But looking at the fact that in the party, you have three strongmen, the ones that we know, the obvious three strongmen, and they all differently have interest. And these interests might span even through Presidency and all of that. And out of the three strongmen, two have run for Presidency. At least one has run for it maybe three times and the other ones. Again, we see Bukalasaraki trying to reunite the party. We see Attiku reconciling with Wike trying to form a formidable front. But it's still not stopping the movement from the PDP to the APC. Now the PDP had previously said that the APC would probably disintegrate before 2023, but we're seeing the same thing happen for the PDP. They're collapsing like a house of cards, faster than their opponents, even though those people also have their own internal party crisis as to it's also leadership related. And these are the two main political parties in Nigeria. I'm going somewhere. The former INEC boss had come out saying that these two political parties have taken Nigerians for granted for so long and that they are disintegrating and that Nigerians should be looking elsewhere. And so for the PDP, is there any survival of any sorts in the radar for them come 2023? With all that's been happening, the governors have left, members of the National Assembly have left and now board of trustee members. What is left of the PDP? Well, the PDP made a fundamental mistake. After the last election, it was a big miscalculation on their part. What they should have done was to reprint, it went from PDP. Don't forget that the party was badly managed. People saw it as a party of looters. One way or the other, APC, Pupanganda machine was able to make a major change on their political fortune. They lost power. What one would have expected is for PDP to brand itself, transform itself and abandon the MPD. There's a clear example which is nobody would be able to point to the fact that they were in power and they were so corrupt. Don't forget members of the same PDP have moved to APC, the same sort of PDP they are now in APC. So if they are branded, it will have been difficult for people to point to them and tarnish their image, the way it's been done currently. But that now is standing that L. It is not only the PDP, APC, both parties are likely going to implode. Currently, we see more move back from PDP to APC. But what would happen after the APC convention and primary elections? No one knows. Once the key political actors within the APC participate in that time, primaries, one person would win at the end of the day. So what would happen? People are projecting that APC is likely going to implode. In fact, APC is in a more difficult situation compared to PDP. Don't forget the surface governments have made a clear demand that the next leadership should come from southwest. They're not saying no, we're still going to continue in power. So we are faced with a very difficult situation. Maybe at the end of the day, the former INEC boss may be right, that probably we need to look elsewhere for a third party. So out of what is going on, a PDP may not survive after the convention. So also APC may not survive. We are likely going to see people moving from both political parties and probably join our team up with the new political party to challenge, to present a thought force to PDP and APC. That is a likely trajectory that I can see on this point. Baba Shala, this means that obviously we're going to have another case of the APC, how the APC came about. We remember that it was a group of political parties coming together to form the APC. Now, the plan that they had in mind, we do not know if it went beyond just on sitting, the sitting presidents at the time. Now, he's also positing that that might happen, and people might have to look elsewhere. But we also see that even the other political parties that are not as big as the PDP or the APC are facing the same internal crisis. Look at APCA. It's very difficult for a party like APCA who just has, it's become a one state party to even get its acts together. So what's stopping these other politicians who might be aggrieved at the end of the day after the convention of all the big parties? What stops them from going into those small parties and repeating the same cycle all over again? Okay, nobody can actually predict accurately what will happen in APC after their national convention. But we can project that definitely there will be crisis and a lot of people will want to move out of the political party to go to a PDP. A strong and a very serious politician in either APC or PDP will not want to go to any of the political parties, not the small political parties. Why? Because they will look at the chances they have in some political parties. If the chances are not there for them, they'd rather be where they have or move to another strong political party than an unknown or a small political party. So for me, for me in after 2022 because I'm very sure the convention will start next year in respect of the each political party convention that are in respect of their national executive because it is the national executive that actually determine the next step that political party will take. If the national executive as the national chairman has not enough, I can tell you they will not want to give the president presidential ticket to not enough. So they will not go to the settlement and give the presidential ticket. So as the result of that, most politicians who are high or looking forward, hello? Hello? Go ahead, we can hear you. Okay, most politicians who are high or looking forward to the particular position either in the national executive or in the political party or for election purpose. They will now look after great crises in FPC in order to either desk the image of FPC by political party to PDP. Now it's not left for PDP to determine if they are strong enough to absorb them. What do I mean by being strong enough? Will PDP be able to compromise is so structural for the purpose of those that are becoming PDP. For anyone who is going to Abga, we only know Abga in Anahambra state. I don't know Abga is in Anahambra state apart from Anahambra state. We only know Abga when we go to YPP. Now, anyone that go to either of them will be ready to spend more in those particular parties for such person to be relevant. So, let's wait for 2022 for us to see the national convention and determine what will happen next. Okay, well what happens in 2023 remains to be seen. Be able to show me and Baba Shalaadib we are political analysts. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for speaking with us. We appreciate it. Thanks for coming. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break now to go over the big stories of plus politics for the week. And when we return, I will give you my take. As a nation, we ought to work on our entire, the fabric of what we do. Change is not just about the words. It's about what we do. And change is always a painful process. Even within the all-progressive Congress, we have to battle and struggle for change. We cannot just say that because we're a party committed to change, therefore everything will change automatically. But why promise something that you do not have? You obviously cannot give what you do not have. You're battling for change, but then you promise to give change. So why promise what you do not have? Again, when you keep talking, I mean, I totally agree with the fact that yes, we as a society need to work to change the course of things. But whatever happened to leading by examples, we're the ones who are following, we're the lead. If the people who are leading us are making promises, they should be at least able to keep some of those promises so that we can at least have some level of trust. But there seems to be none of that in play. No, you're not being factual. And you're also not being fair. First of all, the all-progressive Congress has done a lot as a government to try to bring change to the political process in this country. There's no denying that. The whole issue of introducing direct primaries as an option to ensure fairness and all that is something that this party has championed. But what I'm saying is that the all-progressive Congress is a political party. Magnus Abbey is an individual. So if the party says something and Magnus Abbey gets up to go and sabotage what the party has set out to do or do something different, these are individual actors across the country. Let's assess the APC right now because we just finished talking about the PDP and the internal crisis that they're facing. Even at that, even at the fact that the APC is having internal crisis, we still see people leaving the PDP to the APC. And I have asked this question over and over again. Will the APC be able to survive 2023? Because many pundits have said the foundation of the APC was not built on solid ground. Where do you stand on this? Okay, so I think that what is happening now, the kernel of this issue is in this recent judgment, this recent Supreme Court judgment, the Supreme Court judgment that you said just very narrowly on technicality to the to the hands of the current on the stick of no. And then all of a sudden the foundation doesn't look so solid, you know, coming from where political actors in the APC are looking at it. Now, why are the PDP people and look, it's a game of politics, pure politics. Previously before that particular court judgment, you have seen that some of the PDP, you have PDP governor who has become and some PDP members who have also become but what has happened with this judgment now is that all of a sudden with the same sort of three, right, narrow split split in between that judgment in favor and the issue that brings to bear the legality of the current technicality as against having a democratic list, a democratic stop job in place to have is having a power to appoint or sorry to nominate governorships or across board. What it has done is that it has given them a share that if they go ahead with the world Congress and continue to go ahead with the major elections, I mean, anybody can come out and take them to court.  So should we be, should we get this in the idea of Twitter ever coming back? Should we also close our eyes to the fact that this is one of the many things that government has done without legal backing? For me, everything is symbolic, you see. So it's all about symbolism. What does a sudden action represent? And it's quite easy to say that there are bigger issues. And I think that's always been the problem with Nigeria. Every time that there is something to consider, we always say, oh, there's a bigger issue. There's something else to deal with. This is not as big as then we compare to the issues. And we forget that everything is a spiral and a reflection of the very next action you're taking. Let's look at symbolism, for instance, banning Twitter is space where people could speak freely and criticize government and the president is akin to shutting down a newspaper because it has so many opinion pages and half of the opinion pages don't make you look good. That's the initial. Thank you for watching. Have a good evening. It's been Plus Politics, I am Marianna Cohn.