Good evening everyone. Thank you for attending tonight's meeting. I hope everyone had a happy new year. We're off to a good year Pretty good start Before we start the meeting. I'd like to read our one of our favorite quotations again from Madam City Clerk Sue Richards If one looks for the best one finds it if one seeks the worst This becomes a reality Called the 19th regular meeting of the Common Council order, which please call roll Serta Davis Well, excuse thank you Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweal 15 present Quarms present the next item we have as if you'll notice we do we did a little change here We always to prove the minutes we started conducting business and then said the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance should come for us and then we can conduct business. So now it is time to Pledge our allegiance to this great country that we live in that has almond Bonnie Serta to please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation of God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you all. I'm Serta Approval of the minutes all in a graph Thank you, your honor at this time I would move that the minutes of the previous Common Council be accepted as printed and Are the same stand approved? There's a motion to the second under discussion Not all those in favor state. Aye. Any opposed motion carries minutes stand approved mayor's appointments Do we have any okay? We'll We'll be moving on to the next item and we'll come back on the mayor's appointments public forum Madam ma'am clerk. Okay first on the list would be Jeff Schucho Jeff can you give me your home address please 23 o 3 south 17th Street south 17. Yes Okay, and you will have five minutes. Thank you mayor council members and citizens in the spirit of the new year It's only proper to announce that since I am running for alderman and our budget is tight I will not accept any contract from the city for problem bird removal Instead moving the birds from the boardwalks and and south beach in front of blue Harbor will be done free of charge Until blue Harbor turns profits that is if you'd like no bird bangers It should be noted that last summer when I approached the mayor to secure an open-ended contract to provide the service He was honest with me up front He stated that his major concern was to get spending under control for the benefit of the taxpayers Impressed by this I offered to do what I could to clear the boardwalks and beaches for the 4th of July for free Unfortunately and securing signatures for my nomination papers I have been informed of what I perceive to be contract secured not in the best interests of the taxpayers as Result these contracts. I feel should be reopened forbidding Additionally various departments apparently need oversight committees to determine priorities These issues will be discussed with the mayor with the best interest of the taxpayers in mind In the past eight months after all I've seen the more fiscal restraint than in the prior eight years I would now like to encourage everyone to work together to keep our community a place for everyone to enjoy and prosper And in regards to the bird problems we've had with the boardwalks and whatnot I have a diagram here that I'll turn over to the mayor and common counsel with a rather simple solution that I would be I believe would be quite effective in lessening the maintenance costs for the city workers with the power washing and My next topic I'd like to discuss briefly is a subject replacement activity for Lake Fest possible title Kiwanis Lakefront Aerospace Science Fest Involved two areas a at the Armory Invite School exhibits to County Airport exhibits three Sheboygan Sharks remote control and Kettle Marine Flyers Club exhibits for local military recruiter exhibits five Nassau exhibits Be South Pier and D land Park Rockets for schools event possibly at South Pier to kite flying area Dilan Park Three remote control electric park flyer area for Sheboygan County Airport displays pair of flyers for example, which would be easy for them to bring in and set up five military displays six Qantas Club food and beverage stands and I noted here that these exhibits and displays would cost the Qantas Club nothing See I would urge the city Officials to make some funds of the twenty five million dollar federal grant for the county for walkways and bike trails to be utilized for a footbridge across the Sheboygan River This will make access to our lakefront activities from Blue Harbor easy and attractive as a tourist draw in the coming years and I have looked into this a little bit one of the main drawbacks was having another operator to operate it for the boat traffic and I've determined that by using Cameras pointed up and downstream in the river and across the boardwalk we could have the same operator That's operating the drawbridge on a street also operate that footbridge and they the camera units aren't wouldn't be that expensive I use them myself right now. Thank you Next on the list is Susan Hunley Susan can you give me your home address, please 632, Michigan Avenue. Thank you mayor and council. Thank you for allowing me to speak I'm going to discuss certain concerns. I have as a member of the library board of trustees First, let me say that I take my position as a library board member very seriously as I am sure the other board members do Before I decided to speak tonight I struggled with the ethical aspect as a library board member and Are my responsibility to the community as a whole so I turned to the director of public libraries for the state My cross for advice and he told me the foremost focus of the library board is to the community He reassured me that discussing my concerns was ethically and morally right since I had shared these concerns first with the library board To try to resolve the issues internally without success. So it was appropriate to make them public The first concern I encountered as a trustee was a lack of respect shown toward all of you the council and the mayor This happens at every library board meeting with the library director and certain board members Making disrespectful comments directed at the council and mayor Excuse me I have attended many other council committee meetings and never heard a department head And are any committee member talk in a derogatory manner about the council and mayor I do not believe there is another department in the city that would be this respect this Disrespectful to you during a formal meeting while the library does maintain autonomy from the city departments from other city departments For certain aspects of business I do not believe that this should allow this shboygan am I doing that seems crackly What's correct should I move it or Get away. Okay. I'm sorry. Can you hear me? Sure? Okay? I used up time Okay, thank you. I do not believe that there's another department in the city that would be this Just this disrespectful to you during a formal meeting while the library does maintain autonomy from other city departments for certain aspects of business I do not believe that this should allow the shboygan common counsel and the mayor of shboygan to be the focus of constant ridicule and criticism from the library director and certain board members Another issue of great concern for me is the recent decision of by the library board to approve a five-year employment contract With the library director to begin with I do not believe the board was given adequate time to consider something of this magnitude We were notified on December 9th and voted on December 15th During the six days we were instructed in a letter from the library director and on quoting the draft employment agreement is the subject of closed session Deliberation at the two meetings that would been personnel and board scheduled for December 15th Thus it is not subject to public distribution or consultation at this time Neither should library board members discuss its contents with anyone other than myself Other library members or city attorney steam clean until the library board acted on it Having now discussed this with the director of libraries from the state He told me that the library director did not have the right to restrict us from seeking more information Since it was not related to our job performance, which is private rather it pertain. I hope I'm not doing that But rather pertain to our compensation, which is public if I had known this I would have discussed this with him since he is the head of all state public libraries the council the mayor Rather than just our city attorney library director and other board members I feel that the board was misled and information that we needed to make an informed decision was denied to us When I spoke to my cross today He told me that I have been the only library board member from Sheboygan to be in contact with him This also greatly concerns me I am sure others on the board would benefit from discussing all our options with the head of Wisconsin public libraries One thing I strongly suggest is for our city attorney or mayor to contact legal counsel from the League of Wisconsin municipalities Regarding this five-year contract with the library director according to the attorney that I spoke with For the league a request must come from the city attorney or the mayor Then the league will do the research required to see if the contract is legal and they will give the city a written opinion Since this will not cost the city anything because Sheboygan pays dues to be part of the league of municipalities I cannot find one reason not to do this as soon as possible Considering the controversial nature of the library board's decision to enter into a five-year contract with library director While no other city department head has a contract. I feel the matter cannot be ignored The count common counsel mayor and city attorney are all elected by the residents of Sheboygan to do the will of the people I believe the people have spoken loud and clear. Thank you very much and right under five minutes. You're kidding Thank You Susan next on the list is Henry Capitulo And Henry could you give me your home address again, please? Yes, that's 1619 North 38th Street the town of Sheboygan I'm here today as the spokesperson for the Sheboygan County taxpayers Alliance and There was an article in the paper already regarding the the director's position in the contract there But what I want to talk about is I did attend several meetings of the library board Prior to the issuing of that statement and some of the things that they discussed during those meetings were was concerning to me because They were looking at a reduction in I think in the paper that was on the 21st of $200,000 and During that period of time they were discussing about a 1.5 percent increase for their salaries And in fact, they had said that they had set aside 3 percent for 2005 and the reason that they were looking at 1.5 percent was because apparently that's what the city was looking at for their Negotiations and that if they didn't if they did end up paying more that they would then go back and allow the 3% that totaled up to almost over a hundred thousand dollars and When you're looking at a two hundred thousand dollar reduction in your costs And you're talking about giving everybody a 1.5 percent raise and spending a hundred and 8,000 or a hundred five thousand dollars that you could be using to offset your your loss I thought, you know, does this make sense and When you when you look further of some of the other things that they were talking about was also The unemployment insurance and the cost of that and I think alderman Manny was the only one that They brought up a concern and had somebody actually come in to show that if a person was Did did take the retirement that they still could be eligible for the unemployment? So that was an issue that I'm glad alderman Manny had brought up and they looked at that the other concern was some of the things that they were looking at doing the retirement of Some of the people and when you think of some of the costs that they were looking at for example In the in the Sheboygan press There that one of the the deputy director is retiring and if you're looking at the age of the person And and I have nothing against any of the staff from the library This is just happens to to be the position in the amount of money that's paid there and some of the Benefits that are being looked at some of the early retirement. You're looking at a hundred 100% of the the health care costs that are going to be paid if If you look at how much that would be equivalent to if the person is going to be 65 is 57 just taking some some nominal figures of And looking at what health care costs have increased over the last several years You're talking about a 30% increases in health care. That's pretty much proven already If the person pays two hundred dollars per per month on their health policy by the time that person Retires and is is the 65 and is eligible for Medicare The library would have paid seventy four thousand four hundred thirty five thousand dollars for that health care cost That's only two hundred if you're looking at that cost being six hundred dollars, which I Would think that a lot of the health care coverage is is pretty much around there the premium for I think a person That's married. You're looking at with with the 30% increase on an annual basis just for that one position You're talking at two hundred and twenty three thousand dollars that you would pay out Now this is just one person They're talking about eight individuals and I'm pretty sure that not all of them are 57 and there might be some They're in their sixties. I don't know but if you're looking at that I think that Someone should have and I don't know if they did go and look and cross the numbers Like like this and look at what the impact would be over a period of time So if you're looking at cost savings, I would say Why an increase in wages? Why not a wage freeze? instead of looking at Retirement What what happened to layoffs? I mean in the private sector? I'm pretty sure of Kohler was going to be Shutting down one of their lines. They're not going to say it everybody.  You know why it's the private sector They have to compete they have to be accountable for for the money that they spend GM just not More than a month ago is not paying health care costs anymore for their retired employees. The reason why they can't afford it The reason is they are now the number two automaker in the world. The number one automaker is Toyota Thank you Next on the list would be Milton Storm Milton can I have your home address please? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court and you will have five minutes I'll try But I'll ask for an extension Where to begin I'm here to give the other side viewpoint of the ethics the ethics and the conduct of this common counsel And what I hear about the city of Sheboygan. I Go to banks. I go to businesses. I go to grocery stores. I go to churches and they're just shaking their heads Since this new mayor came in here and some of the council members The conduct of the mayor and some of the council member was in question When Dan Berg was accused of things and he accused back for us The alderman apologizes to the mayor and that's Reverend Manning and while he did very good But he only said I'm sorry at the beginning or the day and I'm sorry But when he said his editorial letter and said this is much I do about nothing Well, I would advise him to reread the first chapter of Romans where it says Lord I've sinned, but I am without excuse so don't give me excuses first and then go and pollute what he should have Then as apologizes to his constituents and he should have also apologized to the citizens of other voters of the city of Sheboygan and Just above that I did attend the listening session if that's what you call it a good shepherd Lutheran Church where I met the Jack Westwall or doctor He says that the city city hall accuses Accusations are embarrassment to all and first Please let me know the facts and stand alone. However must make it clear that I am a candidate for the second district I don't know why people come up here to good campaign speeches I mean, I think that they should do out there in public and why waste the Taxpayers money coming up here and given all these statistics and facts and then he says that All that he quotes Abraham Lincoln and he says that each of these rivals were certain At that time of his superior skills over the country fooled from Illinois That's wrong If he's talking more than one rival you don't say his you say there But that's the Sheboygan press the Sheboygan press and I have never gotten the loan Well for his information Lincoln also said the best way to destroy your enemies is to make him a friend I've got the goods on dr. Westfall. I have found from a good reliable source That he was in some business deal I don't know what was with Frank Ribichirna and he lost his shirt And it wasn't been for his partner to bail him out. He would have Been in a whoo-scow or whatever so I would suggest people check them out before you vote for him I've been the subject of many insults here. I come to Meetings here. I am an electronic Technician I'm a member of the International Society of Electronic Technicians my Wisconsin number is wi-144 Or 146 I have an identical twin brother and from 1953 to 1958 while I was teaching radar at the Fort Monmouth, New Jersey. He was at Los Alamos, New Mexico Working as a computer analyst. He has two master's degree and he's considered a PhD and then he came here to Madison and he Was considered professor there and he finished up at Naperville Illinois At Fermilad where we split the electron just to give you things what I have to compete with My but also an older brother, and I don't know how Jeff Ratty got out of the Inspection can be building inspection committee, but I see all the new aldermans get on German chip my older brother down in Milwaukee is a licensed architect and When he retired here about 12 years ago the state of Wisconsin sent them up here to correct all the code violations at the Morningside residential home. I as a television technician and I serve television set for William Wilde and Stephanie Wilde when mr. Wilde was in a wheelchair and He was at that time building a Elevator I also service for Mrs. A. Matt Warner when she's in her late 80s And when she found out that I was writing letters to the other she had the most unkind words For the Sheboygan press She was a bowler and they owned the press then she married Werner She said and then Werner's took over and they sold it to somebody else And I think if she would know today that the connect news service Was had the Sheboygan press those dry bones which is raised right out of the grave I Was just like if I have time to read some of the things that I get subject to is letters to the editor I'm a premier editor writer because I learned that in 1948 when I attended the University of Wisconsin extension up there in Maryland, Wausau how to write letters to the other Oh, can I have just to read this letter There's a motion in a second to extend indefinitely I Could tell some good jokes to excuse me. Excuse me. Let's start five minutes. There's a motion Thank you. There's all men started Jewish the speaker was that there's a motion in a second all those in favor said aye Any opposed? Call a roll This is to extend five minutes Bowman D. Berge Eber Surda graph Kittleson Meyer Excuse me. Thank you. Montemay or Racky Sadali Stefan no Susha Van Akron and Vander wheel 12 eyes and three notes motion carries floor extended five minutes or The thing is I don't like to be embarrassed or insulted when I come to these meetings and it's really Mrs. Montemay or who called her husband? citizen I Had spoken here about Denny Moyer and I'm sitting right back in the last booth there And he says that I didn't know what I was talking about and then he said to me that I talked like an asshole Pure and simple and I've got Mr. Storm We appreciate what you have to say I would ask that you not be taking things personally and that you please refrain from Okay, I'm sorry, but I mean I don't have to be insulted. You don't have to say the words are okay I will call you out of order if you continue to do that. Please continue okay But I don't have to become here and be insulted okay And this is a letter that I've received from I think it's James Baumgart It was not addressed or signed and no return address mr. Storm I've read your letters in the shabuagan press over the years You should have checked the Bible to see what it has to say about self-righteous judgmental and Prejudice people in your recent letter you mentioned lousy Democrats Democrats were given us social security Medicare Medicaid workers and unemployment Compensation work rights and so forth if the work of Democrats is so bad You should send it back to your social security and then he tells me that I'm a one-issue candidate God works through many people with many views He says the programs about have been enacted with guidance and concerns for others Maybe your lousy Democrats obsession is being critically divinely guided work and not pleasurable in the eyes of God Sincerely no one who thinks and studies before acting. Here's my reply if I know what you call me up The word lousy is your ride from the word louse the dictionary we find he finds it as a small Parasitics pest and insect that feeds on other animals or infects books or plants the plural of Lousy's lice the letter writers lice on the top of his head must have moved into his head and infected his brain I did not say lousy Democrats I said lousy Democratic politician God and my knowledge works through most people in the teachings of Jesus Not some lousy Democratic thinker There's no person so bad that God cannot save and by the same reason there is no person so good That doesn't need a little saving grace to more mighty God. Thank you Thank you Next on the list and final would be dimple Adams And dimple I need your home address, please 1424 Virginia Avenue, okay Okay, Susan can you let me know when I'm down to one minute left, please Okay I'm glad to be here tonight. I thank the mayor and Susan and attorney McLean and the council. I'd like to wish you all a very happy new year and I look forward to see what's going to happen in 2006 I You know, I thought back over the last year Today and I had thought that when 2006 rolled around that the spring that we would be You know getting into a new police station Well, that's not going to happen and I don't think that it's going to happen in 2007 either That's one of my disappointments another disappointment this year was the Doing away of the agreement that we had with the chamber After 20 years, I would like to think that we could have worked that out because now I think that our Tourism dollars are going to be going for salary and learning a new method rather than Going to the chamber and having an information center built out at the new location and People like Denny Moir who promotes Sheboygan I just wonder what the legislation day is going to be like over in Madison that we've had the last 20 something years That was a good promotion for Sheboygan without the chamber. Is it going to happen? I don't know and Now we have come to another big fray and a frockets over the library well, I Moved here in 1976 and one of the nicest things about Sheboygan has always been the Meade Public Library It's one of the nicest libraries of all of the places that I have ever lived and it probably has more services And I've never questioned how that came to be or whatever because I'm not library knowledgeable Okay, what I am is a widow 61 year old lady that's living over there on her property on Virginia Avenue One half block from Sheridan Park and one half block from where they wanted to put in an ethanol plant that I fought off this year But I wanted the police station at Sheridan Park. I lost that battle, but I still thought we were gonna get a police station But I have lost trust Now I got my tax bill everybody's talking about how their tax bill went down mine went up and Sir, I am paying more taxes than you are sir as mayor and I live at 1424, Virginia Avenue and I talked to the taxes have sir about my tax bill and you know, she gave me the reasons But anyway, it just it just be foggles my mind That but you know, I don't mind paying the tax bill because of the services that we have But I think the services are getting in trouble Because of what I've seen happen this year with this administration Because this administration wants us to be puppets and they want to pull the strings and when we have votes in the council That are 11 to 5 I get something that they don't like Then you know, they're muttering things and saying things that can be heard and then somehow or another There was an investigation which was fine because no one knew about that until the press and I don't know how the press got that story about the investigation From the older persons, but it had been dropped and then all of a sudden You know here is we're embarrassed as a city because of that that argument Well, now we come down to the library board Now I don't presume to I don't know Mrs. Winkle. I've never met Mrs. Winkle Thank you, but I do know Bernie Markovich. I have known Bernie Markovich For almost the entire time that I have lived here in Sheboygan and his reputation is impeccable He would not do anything to hurt the city and to hurt that library and I have faith in Bernie and My fear is if you go through with this resolution tonight and say get rid of those six members of The library or board then what are what kind of puppets are we going to get? For the library or board and I want you all to think about that Very much as you go to vote on that resolution tonight. I don't think that that's the way we want to start off 2006 I think we should keep that board intact We don't always have to agree on everything We don't want this council to be 16 zip with every vote that wouldn't be wonderful That would be strange You've got to have different Concerns and different thinking that's why you're here Thank you That's it. Thank you. Thank you everyone Yes, we're moving to the mayor's appointments, which we skipped. We're going back attorney McLean Thank You honor Honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration the joint municipal court advisory committee Mayor Perez Richard Gephardt representative of the village municipal judge ex officio non-voting municipal court clerk ex officio non-voting Terms to expire for thirty two thousand six signed by the mayor lies over And there's a series of correspondents here one it first one In sequence is from Franchard Barnard who was the Shpoing area school district representative to the meet public library board of directors Advising the mayor that she'll be leaving her position on the meet public library board At the last meeting she'll attend as a board member will be in January 2006 that she's moving to soon to Bailey's Harbor and Would no longer be residing in Shpoing Subsequent to that there's a letter to the mayor dated December 12th From Superintendent Sheehan advising that due to the resignation of Franchard Barnard the Shpoing area school district is requesting the appointment of Sue Dennis to serve as Designee for the district serving on the board of the meet public library freeze coffee have any questions and then dated today's date that the mayor Submits the following appointment for your consideration Sue Dennis to be considered for appointment to the library board to fill the unexpired term of Franchard Barnard whose term expires 430 07 signed by the mayor And that too will lie over Thank You turn him clean Next on the agenda. We have a presentation on docking the USS Edson in Sheboygan gentlemen Mr. Caswell and Mr. Jack North Excuse me, Mr. Caswell, we have a we have a microphone here. I'd like to use that Thank you Thank You mayor for inviting us to have a chance chance to speak to the common council and The citizens citizens of Sheboygan about the USS Edson project and something I think can do a lot for Sheboygan and we'd like to have a PowerPoint presentation given to you tonight to fill you in on what the ship can actually do for Sheboygan I'd like to have our executive director of the museum give the presentation tonight Chad source Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor council members Take if you could turn off that first bank of lights like we did last time so I could see the presentation But this will real give you a real quick overview of what we want to do and what we can bring to you What we can breathe what can we bring to Sheboygan? Well, first of all, it's going to be a way to draw more tourists and more tourist dollars into the town It's going to be a living museum a veterans Memorial a unique insight into Navy life a Destination for reunion groups which I'll touch on later And it's going to be very important and a place to hold gathering and social functions for any small groups that may want to use it Here is our ship the USS Edson. She is a destroyer of the forest Sherman class 418 feet long 45 feet as a with She draws about 15 feet of water and she was in service for almost 30 years from 1959 to 1989 88 currently she is in Philadelphia and since 1990. She has been registered as a national landmark There aren't too many Navy ships that are allowed to be national landmarks for instance the USS Wisconsin is not Because she was so heavily modified. So this is a unique vessel that way The ship is named after Major General Merritt Edson Who led a valiant defense and Guadalcanal during World War two of Henderson Field? This was the most strategic point of that island. He took 800 Marine Raiders and held out over 2,500 Japanese This was the most important battle and had he lost this the field would have fell into the hands of the Japanese and that Campaign would have gone out a whole lot longer for this. He was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor He was also to earn two Navy crosses a silver star and two legion of merits There are not many Navy ships that are named after Marine heroes normally that is reserved for Navy Only so this is once again a unique ship that way The ship does have a very storied career She served with destroyer squadron 13. She had three Southeast Asian deployments. So she was on station in Vietnam She provided closing gun support for the troops. She was nicknamed the destroyer top gun by naval gun fire spotters She was also called the destroyer because when troops on land would call for help They'd call for the destroyer and invariably it was the USS Edson that was on station in one altercation with a shore battery of the North Vietnamese she took three shells that damaged her smokestack slightly the North Vietnamese said she was sunk It wasn't One kind of cool little fact about the Edson is she was in an episode of the Twilight Zone So she's a Hollywood star and I did check at your library You do have this episode there so anybody can check it out if you want the 30 fathom grave There were two do destroyers in this episode the USS Mullen X and the USS Edson the exterior photos that you see of the ship are the Mullen X and the interior shots such as these Two right here are of the Edson Originally when we approached the city we talked about the USS Des Moines Which was a heavy cruiser and now we switch to the Edson so the question is why one of the big reasons is it's a Football field shorter. She draws seven feet less of water The cost I like this because I got to raise all of the money But the Edson is only going to cost us about five to seven million dollars where the Des Moines was going in excess of $24 million. There was a lot of renovation One of the reasons for this is the Edson was a museum ship in New York She was recently returned to the Navy and one of the conditions was that the ship had to be dry docked at the Intrepid museums expense so it's in museum grade shape right now Our naval consultant has said he could tow it here and it would be open for business tomorrow The Edson can be dry docked in Sturgeon Bay if it needs to but the hull should have an integrity of at least 60 years Before any repairs need to be done to it and minimal dredging is going to be needed to be done to berth the Edson here There is a size comparison of the two ships you can really see why we like the Edson a little more than the Des Moines at this point Educational value we talked about it being a museum and a memorial One of the cool things that we're going to be able to do is kids will be able to come on board scout groups school groups Church groups and they can spend a night on the Edson. They'll learn what it is like to sleep in a Navy bunk They'll learn what it's like to take up a duty station damage control all of that kind of interesting stuff That might turn somebody into wanting to join the Navy. We're going to have guided and self-guided tours So it will become a living breathing part of the community The the self or the guided tours we're going to try and get our tour guides to be kind of in character So when you come on to the ship, you won't just be able to walk on you're going to ask that to permission to board the ship The general quarters alarm might go off and you might have to report to a duty station. The ship is going to come alive One of the things that we've talked about is a naval heritage trail This is very similar to a lot of the lighthouse trails that go around the Great Lakes It can start down in Chicago with the u-505 at the Museum of Science and Industry go a little bit north to the Great Lakes Naval Station Where they have a museum what Keegan, Illinois is attempting to get the USS Connolly, which is the hometown of Admiral Connolly You'll come north the ship Boigen right here with the USS Edson and finally end in Manita walk with the USS Cobia this is something that we think can be very popular and very profitable to all of these cities involved Navy reunions there are over 5,000 military reunion groups and 2,300 of these are Navy Now they like to go where a ship is So obviously sheboygan is a very attractive site for them The Navy absolutely loves this city when they came here to visit The USS kid which is in Baton Rouge has between 30 and 40 reunion groups a year Now these reunion groups they don't come and just spend one night They'll spend on an average between two and three nights in the city So Blue Harbor your convention center will all benefit from this The tin can sailors association here is where the maintenance of the ship is really going to be done This is a fraternal order of all destroyer sailors They will actually pay us to come on board and fix the ship These groups will set aside weekends called field days to where they'll come on to routine maintenance any upgrades that we want They also will set aside money for all of the destroyers that are currently museums Right now they have $40,000 set aside for any group that gets the Edson and every year afterwards They will set aside $20,000 and there are 25,000 members in this group So it's a large organization that can help us out Funding for the Edison obviously is very important The most important thing is we require a birthing site because it's real hard for us to raise money if nobody knows Where the ship is going to go a professional fundraising company will be brought in to really help us do the big Money our initial efforts are not going to really focus here although we will try to but we're going to also the regional State and national areas Fundraisers are going to include a membership drive annual funds Sponsorships of prominent companies that are in this region and long-term goals are planned giving in a state planning Here's just a few ships that are around the country just to highlight of the Baton Rouge the USS kid She did sustain no damage during Hurricane Katrina. These ships are very well-built The USS Alabama is a battleship The North Carolina is very unique and very important to us because her executive director captain Shew is a former commanding officer of the Edson. He also is a Wisconsin native the USS Midway is one of the most recent Editions to the museums and she was thinking the Midway was going to draw about a hundred thousand people this past year She drew in excess of two hundred and fifty thousand visitors to their ship very popular The Cobia a lot of you are familiar with just a little bit north of here and the USS Turner joy is our sister ship She's a twin ship to the Edson and she is leading the revitalization of the Bremerton Harbor area Now here you can see where we plan on birthing the Edson it's just on the south pier and Kind of a little bit east of where the rocket pad is right now and that the bow would be pointed out towards the lake These next two shots are Models that we superimposed into where we would like to do it the ship isn't there in case any of you We didn't sneak it in here last night for this don't worry So this is looking north from the yacht club and this view is on the walkway on that south pier So you can see although 418 feet is a pretty sizable ship. There is still a lot of pure both the east and to the west So that's pretty that's one of our major presentations right there working together is what we want to wrap up with This has to be a partnership between the city and us We are willing to do a lot of the work But we need your support and your help and how can we do that the contingent lease? That is really what we're seeking to move forward on tonight What we have to do to do that to make the successful is we have to make a feasibility study and this will determine Yes, you know what we can do this both financially and non financially We must obtain all of the environmental and governmental Approvals including the safe disposal of all-dredge material and we have to raise the required funds What can the city do the major thing is the in-kind donation of the birthing site? This is a this is a sizable amount of land that we're looking at and it's it's a big deal to us Political support obviously just by you as an organization saying yeah This is something that we think is going to support us that's going to be good for us That is a big step towards making this a success and there is no money needed from the city in order to make this Happen in fact the Navy requires that we be self-sufficient So that is pretty much what I have in a condensed little form So I hope that answers a lot of your questions in your packets You have a copy of what I just presented along with a point paper some testimonials from the USS kid in the Turner Joy a History from Sheboygan of the Navy And I think that is about it. Thank you very much Superlates And Thanks, sir almond bird. Would you like to inform the public of your listening sessions, etc? Yes, thank you very much your honor The Marina and Harbor Committee will be conducting two public listening sessions The first one will be tomorrow at 5 30 in the Mead a library conference room, I believe that's the first floor room and we will also Be having an additional listening session on Monday the 16th at 5 30 in the evening And that will be in City Hall in the third four conference room I think also an addition other events that have planned I believe there's a static display at the library that will be staffed From time to time by some of the volunteers for the ensign and they will also be I Understand starring on the mayor's TV show on Friday, so There will be a hopefully time for some excitement to build and hopefully some good input from our citizens Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you all in Berg Ole Missigali. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. If I would just could please make a comment We had the opportunity last summer to go to Remington, Washington Where our son is stationed at the Bankers of Marine Base and we were able to have the privilege of touring The sister city the Turner joy and let me that was just something superb people were coming in and out of that Ship like you just couldn't believe in here This was a base an evil base where other people were coming from the outside on to this base And to see the Turner joy and I think Be very proud to be able to have the Turner joy is one of the sister ships if we were able to have the Datsun here in Chicago again, that would be a great honor. Thank you. Thank you all Okay, okay, we will move on to a Hearing that we have scheduled for tonight for the vacation and discontinuance of the easterly 220 feet of Germain Avenue east of South Taylor Drive Frontage Road. Is there anyone that would like to address the council on this hearing? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council all the man graph? Thank you, your honor. I would move that the hearing be closed There's a motion to second to close the hearing any discussion on that There being none, please call the roll, but you just will hold in favorite state. I Any opposed motion carries hearing is closed consent agenda Items 19 1 through 19 6 which is probably the shortest items we've ever dealt with on the consent agenda all the man graph I Believe it is so with that. I will move that our all our always be accepted in file All the RCs be accepted and adopted and we pass a resolution Motion to second to approve the consent agenda any discussion There being on please call the roll D. Berge Eber Serta graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Segali Stefan excuse me Susha then Akron Vanderwheel and Bowman 15 I's motion carries communications and petitions 197-198 to be referred report of officers to 19 9 by the library board president recommend and filing documents submitted a communication from Henry Cuppeteal On behalf of the subordinate County Tax Parish Alliance regarding the meet public library All women manning thank you behalf of the library board I move that we accept and file the document There's a motion to second to accept and file any discussion There being none all those in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries 1910 through 1919 to be referred resolutions introduced 3 1920 to 1924 to be referred matters laid over 9 1726 RO number 448 0506 by the city plan commission vacate in a portion of Germain Avenue east of South Taylor Drive frontage road All are my month in my order Thank you Thank you your honor 1924 I move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage and we accept and file the plan commission information There's motion to accept and file and pass the ordinance. There's a second under discussion There being none, please call the roll Serta Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Sushia, then Akron van der Wiel Bowman Excuse me and D Burke 15 eyes motion carries 1824 Resolution number 2090506 by Alderman Graf authorizing an agreement with the Sheboygan Press for publication of the Common Council proceedings and City advertising for the period January 1st 06 to December 31st 06 Alderman Graf Thank You your honor. I would move that resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There being none, please call the roll Serta Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Sushia Van Akron van der Wiel Bowman D Burke and Eber 14 eyes 1 no motion carries 1825 resolution number 210506 by Alderman Stefan authorized a transfer of appropriations in the O5 budget Alderman Stefan Thank You your honor. I'd move the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion to second under discussion Your honor, I'd like to make an amendment Proceed we're still going to take $300,000 from the general fund judgments and settlements account 125,000 will go to the general fund general contingency and the remaining of 175,000 go to the unreserved funds account that would make that motion second Motion to amend in a second. Any discussion on the amendment if I could your honor. Pardon me. Yes, I could just want to explain Um, basically what we're doing is we're taking money as we collected last year for the Matlin funds and putting them aside for this year We had some discussions of finance I talked quite a bit with the mayor and Richard Gabbard about it their concern was not so much the transfer of funds, but My personal view was I think we need some of these monies cuz down the road We need might have some liability if we lose our accounts for our contract arbitration and their concern was you know putting some money aside and using it for contracts if it's one-time money That's down the road tonight. We're not discussing what we're going to use it for we're just putting it aside So it's there for any contingency. Typically. We have had $150,000 to $200,000 in the contingency fund this would put $150,000 in there Only had 25 from this one, but there was 25 in the budget. So I'm there will be some monies available I won't take care of any of our problems, but I think I will help us out and that's my goal Thank you all my staff and that's a good explanation Any other discussion on that all of them want to my own Thank you your honor When we discussed this in finance at the beginning I was concerned about doing this However with this amendment and talking with the chairman of the finance committee, I can support this change Thank you all the moment of my life Any further discussion there being on please call the roll on the amendment only and the amendment Alderman Stefan would be to take 125,000 put it towards the general fund and 175,000 to unreserved correct contingency fund Contingency and the other to the unreserved fund Thank you graph Kittleson Manny Myer Montemayor Racky Segali Stefan Susha no Van Akron van der wheel Baumann D. Burke Eber and Serta 13 eyes and two nose that's on the amendment motion carries no Roll call the motion is amended all of them and Stefan As motion second passes amended discussion Thank You mr. Mayer. I guess that the reason I have a problem with this is because I Think we look at it from the standpoint of we are here representing the city and the taxpayers And I think as soon as we start setting money aside for our potential arbitration awards What we are doing is we're starting to Step over the bounds of where our rule ends. I don't feel that by putting money aside that the unions will Undoubtedly put in front of the arbitrator saying look they already plan on losing arbitration They've already planned by setting this money aside in an account for us Therefore you should rule in our favor and give us what we're demanding I think this is wrong because what you're doing is you're giving the unions more leverage and that's not why we're here We're here to represent the city and the taxpayers, and I think that's the angle that we need to come in at So I will not support this Because I think you're just basically handing over an arbitrary arbitrary award, and I don't agree with that. Thank you Any more all of them Stefan I Appreciate all the person shoes I don't Arbitration we said already been in they're at the arbitrator. They're waiting to be decided upon It's not like they're gonna call them tomorrow and say wait wait. We want to add more information And we're not putting it in if we were putting in a general fund as we have in the past We have a one-and-a-half percent correctly now for specifically for in the general fund for Salary contingencies this is not going in that fund It's going to general contingency fund and the council decided at a later point Even if we lose the arbitration doesn't say you have the money won't come out of here without the council voting on it Thank you all of them Stefan all of them drops. Thank you I will be supporting this because we're putting into the general contingency fund in a month That is equal to what we had in the past and we've always needed certain emergency Situations like one year I can recall when lightning struck the the towers upstairs made a replace One of the parts of the computer and so forth and there's always those little things that you have to plan for and that's what the Contingency fund is you is to be used for it's not for our wants But it's for what we need to spend it on when and if something happens Any more discussion please call room This is the resolution as amended Kittleson Manning Meyer Montemayor Racky Segali Stefan Susha Van Ackren Vanderweel Bowman D-Ber Eber Serta and Graf 14 eyes one no motion carries 1826 resolution number 2110506 by Alderman Graf Stefan Montemayor Susha and Davies authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the old sick budget Alderman Graf you know that item as well as 1827 which is also a resolution on authorizing transfers of appropriations in the 2005 budget and 1828 which is a resolution to authorize revenue adjust estimate adjustments and transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget I would move that all three resolutions be put upon their passage There's motion the second to put all three resolutions upon their passage under discussion They're being on please call the roll Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Segali Stefan Susha Van Ackren Vanderweel Bowman D-Ber Eber Serta Graf and Kittleson 15 eyes Motion carries 1841 general ordinance number 70 0506 by Alderman Manny Ratke Meyer and Segali Repealing and recreating the municipal code so as to authorize the committee on law and licensing to conduct license and permit suspension revocation proceedings Alderman Manny Thank you on behalf of law and licensing Move to put upon passes Jordan's number 70 0506 Motion second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion Alderman Susha Thank You mr. Mayor. I was just hoping someone could explain why we are changing it All the money This has come directly from request from the electoral examiner's board for one a couple of issues number one There are few members of that board So in an issue comes up for them that might deal with the license It's hard for them to get adequate numbers to deal with it to have a majority quorum Secondarily, it puts the responsibility for such decisions upon the elected officials as opposed to appointed officials by and large I think there's only one alderman is that right Jeff? On that board of appeals that's from whence it's come we thought holistically this would help the city in other Areas where there might be problems and questions with those same kinds of issues Thank y'all the many any other questions comments There being none, please call the roll Meyer Montemay or Ratki, so golly Stephan Susha Van Akron van der Wiel Bowman D. Berg Eber Serda graph Kittlesen and Manny 15 eyes Motion carries 1849 general ordinance number 710506 by all of them and Susha Vander wheel Ratki Meyer and month of my old relating to the prohibited parking in time zones to add Bus only parking Monday through Friday 6 a.m. To 6 30 p.m. To various locations Alderman Susha Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved that the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion to second under discussion All women with the mayor you were first Thank You your honor Would we be able to have Ron McDonald explain some of this to us because it's a wonderful new plan? Yes, mr. McDonald Please come forward and we have almost a golly. Do you have a question for us? No, okay. Thank you. Thank you. This is for a new bus route. We're starting actually they're out started this morning You know what we're doing is we're putting a route out there primarily To haul passengers from Memorial Hospital Into and out of the downtown area They're going to be having about a hundred employees parking in the downtown area during a remodeling project that they're doing over the next several years We thought this give us an opportunity to get the people in the downtown area Hopefully spending some money in the downtown as they're traveling to and from work The bus stops that we're asking for is is because of the number of people getting on at these few locations Typically transit stops at numerous locations around the city picking up just you know one or two passengers at several stops These are a little bit different. Well, we'll get several passengers at just a few stops So we wanted to have areas where we could be out of traffic for you know two or three minutes Unlike what we normally do we pick up and we're going real quickly And that that's the idea for these parking zones But the the the it's for a new bus route to provide services from the downtown area to Memorial Hospital And we're expecting to generate about 50,000 passenger trips a year on this particular known route Paul, I'm a sushi Thank You mr. Mayor This is the best part about this situation Do you recall offhand approximately how much money the city will be Generating from the extra hundred parking spots that will be renting in the downtown area plus the revenue from the bus route Approximately how much more that would be combined with the parking utility and the transit department We're looking at it receiving about ten thousand dollars in revenues. That's monthly by the way monthly Big difference I see the best for last Any more questions for mr. McDonald. Thank you, sir. Okay, let's see. We're ready to take the roll Montemay or Racky Segali Stefan Susha, Ben Akron van der wheel Bowman D-Berg e-Berg Serta graph Kittleson Manny and Meyer 15 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 1925 19-25 a communication from Steven Huss Husshield stating that he opposes the proposed resolution asking for the immediate resignation of the six meet public Library members who voted in favor of the library director's contract Alderman Stefan Thank You Roger. I would move the communication to accept a file There's motion to accept and file Any discussion? They're being on all those in favor state. I any oppose motion carries 1926 a Resolution by all of them Ratke Meyer and Susha asking for the immediate resignation of meet public library board members Bernard Mark You've been a Maryland table sharing quicker Cindy of Cynthia van Akron in front of an art Alderman Ratke Thank You your honor. I ask at the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion and second put the resolution upon its passage under discussion. Thank you your honor Get a lot of soul searching on this one. I had a lot of people in the community come up and talk to me about the census surface In various different areas as I'm moving around the town What bothers me is a guaranteed salary for five years and ninety four thousand seventy five dollars minimum Over the next five years. I mean, that's the minimum part of it Can't go down can't go up the city employs five hundred eighty nine people including the elected officials a lot of utility and everybody No one person has We should say five hundred eighty eight of those people do not have an individual contract guaranteeing that any type of an income through the city As I did ask some things I found out and I want to state clearly that this is not As it's been inferred here that we're trying to throw people out I'm simply asking that these people come to their senses just been resigned from the library board after this I did some exhaustive research today and over several days and found that If the library director would quit Her unused vacation time and sick leave would go with her enough I'm correct in this and Ed sir if you and I have talked in several occasions If any other city employee leaves and department had specifically now They would be entitled to just their unused vacation would that be corrected? Okay, she would get her sick leave and unpaid if she dies It's the same as quitting.  How many people when they die in? Okay, excuse me if we need a department head to answer please request and we'll call them up. Mr. Sark Yeah, the correction if it's voluntary, they would Okay, so if she volunteer lilies now if she is Terminated with cause she gets her unused vacation And sick leave. What about any other same thing sir, please sir Just stay there till we excuse you Yeah, I'll stay there for a while. Yep. What was the question again? voluntary Or she's fired with cause unused vacation sick leave the library director would get another city department head would they be entitled to that same they would not both Sick leave and okay, so that's that's in commensurate here And without cause she would be Compensated the remainder of her compensation for the contract period now Is there any such thing in place any such arrangement in place for any other department head? No, they'd be paid till termination date till termination date So that's above and beyond that step as well. I get thank thank you, mr. Sir, I guess the problem I have with this is a contract has been signed by a library board And the city has no contract of any other Any other person and its employee Individually and the people out there are looking at this number and say holy cow the librarian gets 94 thousand seventy five dollars a year Guaranteed for the next five years and the people are just screaming that this can't be Well, it is and it shouldn't be but Unfortunately, we're going to have to live with that for today But the six people have done that I think should in the best interest of the city Which they weren't thinking about at the time as we see it or I see it Need to just say it's time for us to pack up and go because according to this quote in the paper the other day What we've done is in the best interest of the library as we see it That's library board president Bernie Markovich Well, the library is fine But the taxpayers are shaboying need to be answered to as well And then answering to the taxpayers are shaboying and if the library doesn't have the money to pay her out For example, if she is dismissive just cause the city is shaboying be on the hook for the For the remainder of that money and that could be up to at this point a half a million bucks that we can't Before not seeing that it would happen, but they put us in a pretty good position here. So I can move that this be put upon its passage and ask that those people simply say Mr. Mayor we'd like to resign. That's what I'm looking for tonight. Thank you Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would like to Put an amendment to this resolution and I would like to ask for the resignation of all 10 board members I feel that we need to start fresh with this library board. So we have Years and eyes that will be asking questions and that that the library will be held accountable for the monies that they are getting from the city And to the taxpayers and to the council So I'm asking that 10 all 10 members. Uh, I'm asking for their resignation. You're making a motion to amend. Yes, I am Thank you. Is there a second There's a second to that motion discussion on the amendment on Alderman Dberg All right on that amendment This this problem here hasn't Didn't arise overnight. This has been going on for 10 15 years The common council Dishes out x amount of dollars to the library board every year and that's the end of it We have no control No, no say over where that money goes I think for too many years the council has been laxed in that Position, it's about time this county or this council takes the bull by the horns And wherever we put money out, we got to have control over it We got to have say over it our job is to watch the Taxpayer dollars, that's what we were hired for and we got to watch it no matter who we give it to We should have some control over it not just give it out and say no, there you are do what you want Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Berg Alderman van der wheel Thank you, honor. I agree with alderman berg Something wrong with the system the way it is right now, but I would ask attorney mclean No, this is just Basically symbolic They don't have to resign correct Attorney mclean thank you, honor Hold on van der wheel the Resolution calls for asking for resignations Uh, I don't know that it's just symbolic. It's more than symbolic. You're asking the library board members to resign But they would not be forced To resign Thank you, attorney mclean Alderman meyer Thank you, mr. Mayor on the amendment I don't believe that we should be penalizing the whole library board for six people's mistakes Four of the members did understand what they were doing And I think they did a good job and they should not have to resign Thank you. Alderman meyer. Alderman sushi Thank you, mr. Mayor Um, I I do understand the level of frustration that elder person sagali is expressing with this desire Um, however, I think that we're crossing the line on this one if we um ask for everybody's because I think there needs to be a reason Why we would ask for a resignation from um the public or from an appointee that we put on a committee if we start asking for All 10 of their resignations Then what's going to prevent us from asking for a resignation from everybody on the health room water committee because we don't like their Discussions that are going on or where do you draw the line? How do you stop? I think there needs to be cause there needs to be a reason to ask for a resignation and with the The six people that voted in favor of this contract by committing the taxpayers to possibly fork out almost $500,000 within 30 days if they decide to terminate her The director's employment. I think that's a pretty strong reason why we have cause to ask for the resignation of these six people I can't support Asking for the resignation from the other four because I just I think we're crossing the line and then we're going to at the next meeting someone will bring in a resolution to Remove a lot of other people from other committees and then the ball's going to start rolling in it. It will never stop Thank you. Thank you Thank you your honor Is there a reason why there's 10 on this board? Yes There's so there's so many that the city Is responsible for appointed and then the county appoints one and the school board. Okay It's not that we want to Punish those the four I'm thinking that if if we want to start out fresh Why don't they all just resign? and then you collect save 20 applications for the county or the library board And then you pick out 10 that you think are going to be satisfactory and bring it back to either the Committee to hold or bring it to the full council here Okay Alderman Eburn Thank you, your honor. There's an old nostrum that says be careful what you asked for because you might get it In this case. I don't think that particular is going to apply But the concern I would have when you ask for everybody to resign Need to appreciate that the library needs to continue to run With the $200,000 cutback. They are really losing Many of their senior tier of management. So you're going to find number one a Certainly a structural reorganization that will take place as a result of this. So again, were you to ask for this and get it Whoever the director is would be would be struck with not only The challenge of delivering library services restructuring the organization But dealing with two 10 board members none of which likely have had prior experience So I really can't I really can't support the amendment on that basis Thank y'all Alderman Sigali Thank you, mr. Mayor Alderman Burke. I guess that's about her 94 thousand dollars Requires her to do But I'm getting at as I think we need to start anew on on the board We need to have the fresh eyes and fresh ears in here and people to ask questions Now like alderman Burke said you would be appointing A lot of these people that would be appointed or want to be on this board are knowledgeable of the board, but We need to have a Total fresh scene here. We we just need to have I'm not saying that the four board members have done bad that That's not what I'm saying I'm just saying that if we're going to do the six then we should be doing the whole 10 and start fresh Thank you Thank you, your honor. I have to agree with my colleagues, Alderman Sigali and Alderman Burke and asking for all 10 I do believe that We need to start fresh. We need to look and see And instill in the people that we place on the library board that they are looking out not only for the best interests of the library But they're also getting funding a majority of their funding from the city and they have to look out for the best Whatever we think they can best do for the city also therefore I will support this Thank you, your honor First I'd like to commend my fellow older persons because I think this discussion is good And I understand the spirit of which this resolution was put together And I that's I think a spirit of concern, but I think we're missing the bullseye ear I also had looked at this issue on several Um Several angles and one being the resignations Starting with the six leading on to the 10 What prevents us from being at the same issue again over a different issue that they might make Nothing does but what I keep hearing is there are some concerns about not having a level of conability to that board from the council Typically when I think about asking for a resignation It's usually a courtesy that's extended to an individual or individuals That if given a due process that they might be found guilty And this somewhat saves them that embarrassment If the council feels so strongly that they were out of boundaries unethical I think we need to provide them that due process by holding a quasi judicial hearing But again that could be setting a dangerous precedence This is a democracy just because we don't see eye to eye on one issue I guess I don't want to be setting that precedence which leads me further Looking to the contract and I think there's some older persons here that have very strong concerns about what this contract states How it compares to other non reps who are just appointed And I had also spoke with steve mclean today who actually gave me some insight And I think there has been a great proposal that was given today under other matters and that's going to be document 1940 Which is going to ask the library board to revisit this issue by opening up the contract and looking at it once again I think this I know what's been said that they need to come to their senses I think this gives them the benefit of the adult to take another look at it I think that's the better route to take And lastly I guess worst case scenario is that Let's say there's nothing our hands are tied as far as there's nothing we can do to prevent this contract From changing it amending it Maybe next year when it comes to budget time We could reduce the budget for what we give the library by the increase of what they've given And stated in this contract, but I do have questions One for hr director ed um suric and then also two for steve mclean Okay, mr. Suric if you come up for us Thanks, sir Um, I was wondering if you could expound a little bit. I understand that typically non rep employees have to sign Is it an employee at will? Clause and if this contract supersede supersedes that well Non rep employees are employees There there's no contract that non rep employees sign it. We're um Wisconsin is an employment at will state meaning that the employer employee can leave Employment or be employed anytime for any reason basically as long as not discriminatory, you know age Sick whatever as far as non-repscore. We don't we are We are hired as any other employee department heads are Interviewed by a civil service commission And the recommendation is made to the mayor and the mayor makes an appointment The appointment is either approved or not approved by the council For a five-year term And then at the conclusion of the five years of employment the mayor Will decide whether you'd like to bring before the council Uh approval to reappoint that employer for five-year period, but there basically is no guarantee Because of council for whatever reason decides to terminate the Appointment by three-quarter vote or they actually can go to majority vote if they so desire they can do so Okay, thank you. Thank you, sir Attorney mclean Thank you attorney mclean My questions to you as I had spoken to you concerning the budget if indeed the last case scenario We would reduce the budget for the library next year Due to this increase if indeed and how that's going to affect the maintenance effort if you could share that with the public And lastly, which I think is most important which we need to explore and again document 1940 will do that is how If you need any discretion from this council to move forward in proceeding to find out if indeed this contract is legal To provide this council with some information regarding that those are my questions Thank you. Attorney mclean Thank you, mayor All in sort of I guess Back up first to add to what Mr. Sir was indicating Number of the department heads have Five-year terms those are set by ordinance It does that those ordinance sections talk about termination for cause with three-quarters vote doesn't talk about termination without cause So termination without cause I think would be an open question If you were say to terminate a department head who was terminable with cause Without cause What would be their recourse and I would submit that it's an open question But that a case could be made that that employee could Bring a claim against the city for the balance of compensation for that term If they were not terminated with cause as is set forth in the ordinance Now that That being said getting back to your your first question has to do with the maintenance of efforts provisions mean public library As is The case with I believe all libraries in the state Local libraries are are members in Different Library systems throughout the state. We're in the federated library system with Ozaki County and Sheboygan County that includes I believe all the libraries in Ozaki and Sheboygan counties and we Resident of the city of Sheboygan can check out books out of Mekwan and Other libraries in Ozaki County just as as you can In the meet public library and and vice versa The statutes talk about this maintenance of efforts that in order to Avoid being removed from the federated library system The council needs to Appropriate each year an amount that's equal at least to the average of the Past three years And I think that's the level we're at this year. We're at the maintenance of efforts level So if you were to decrease the appropriation next year Uh The city could run the risk of Being terminated from the federated library system with respect to the The contract and and reviewing the legality of that. I did speak with the both attorneys at the legal wisconsin municipalities today and They'd be willing if if the council wants me to pursue a legal opinion They'd be willing to provide one. I think to the city generally they They look for requests from The city attorneys generally as opposed to individual alderman for formal written opinions But I I would do that if the council was so inclined I you know, I have looked at the issue. I guess I've got my feelings that I spent most of today on this issue Um on The the legality of the contract I think you know a Sort of a bootstrap view is I think similar to the fact that the council can provide Five-year appointments or five-year terms for department heads. I think a library board probably can Enter into a multiple-year agreement Um One area of concern I do have is The the statutes do give the library board exclusive control the expenditures of the money that's appropriated to the library And that includes hiring and the compensation for the director but At least in theory under the under the contract as it's uh Entered into there is provision for termination without cause that that allows an option for the library director to Request a lump sum payment of the balance of the The term the salary and benefits You know in theory For the theory that under that contract it requires a unanimous vote of the library board Which I think as a practical matter would be Very very difficult to obtain but be that as it may in theory if that was obtained That and if it came early in the Five-year term would be a sizable number and i'm not sure that I haven't looked at the numbers, but i'm not sure that the library board would have that amount of money appropriated In say 2006 that they'd be in a position to Expend in that manner that's not you're marked for other salaries and benefits and other expenditures So that that's one area of the contract that Raises some concern in my view There is a severability provision in the contract means that if a judge were to look at it and find A portion of it Invalid for whatever reason that those provisions could be Severed from the contract so the balance of the contract could remain intact. So I don't think that that would Really get you where You know the concerns are that that would solve a lot of the issues that the council seems to have over the contract You know if if the council would like I'd be happy to write a letter to the league and Ask them to look into it and Have them assist our office in providing some opinion to you We don't have it on the agenda We'll do this in a very democratic way everybody at once attorney mclean to request an opinion not your head Yes Please request one. Okay All right, month. Am I off here next? Thank you your honor To support this resolution Well, it wasn't difficult for me to come to the conclusion that I will support this resolution Being on the finance committee I don't want to handcuff anybody any of us when it comes to money now Even though it wasn't a difficult Conclusion to come to that. I will support this. It was painful These are some of my personal friends. I support the library. The library is what helps it helps us stay civilized however I think we should vote yes on your resolution alderman susha alderman meyer alderman radke and To vote yes on that does not preclude the library board From going ahead and revisiting the contract. So I don't think voting yes on this resolution will Anyway Dismiss the next agenda item Alderman meyer Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, are we still just speaking on the amendment? Just amendment. Yes one more time. We'll wait Okay Anymore, okay, please read the amendment and we'll take a roll call Okay, the amendment is to ask for the Ask change it to ask for the resignation of all 10 Library board trustees. That's what we're voting on. So an eye would be to do it to 10 people Okay We're at key Segali Stefan susha Van Akron Vanderwheel Bauman Dberg Eberg Surda Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer And monta meor Five eyes ten nose amendment fells now we'll take a vote on the original Motion to pass the resolution Alderman radke Thank you, your honor a couple of quick points. I failed to talk about just a little bit ago There was another possibility before this contract was Assigned by the library director and the possibility I found out this afternoon was the fact that the bylaws of the library could have been changed And after talking to a library board member and finding out that the timing from friday until I think it was thursday or something like that There was not a lot of discussion. It was pretty much kept hush hush. There was not a lot of options available So that was one of the possibilities They could have been done in order to avoid Doing this contract and that bylaw could have given them the option of doing Type of five-year type of appointment like we do here with the various different department heads The other thing I was wanting to read here And this is because we are public officials and we are Ansible to the taxpayers And I would hope that this was applied to the library and others as well in section 267 of the municipal code It's his responsibility public officials and employees public officials and employees are agents of public purpose In whole office for the benefit of the public. They are bound to uphold the constitution of the united states And the constitution of the state and carry out a partially the laws of the nation state and sitting thus to foster respect of all government They're bound to observe and their official acts the highest standards of morality and discharge faithfully the duties of their office Regardless of personal considerations recognizing that public interest must be their primary concern Their conduct in both their official private affairs should be above reproach So as to foster respect for all government and that's the point Here i'm trying to make especially to them is The fact that the public interest must be all of our primary concerns Regardless if you're on a board that does not answer directly to the tax paying public Or those of us that are elected and do answer to the tax paying public We all have an obligation by no means is this resolution anything To start chopping apart the mead public library because the library in and of itself Is a jewel that this city can never afford to lose and i'm a very staunch support of the library But to see this type of activity happen at the mead public library And see ourselves being tied to these types of Contracts by the library board and having no recourse other than to possibly ask for resignation I mean, I I guess we could look into Recall hearings for cause and things like that. I was hoping we wouldn't have to do that. That's why I brought the resolution to just say Okay, folks, let's do it this way. We'll keep it clean We can look at the other ways too, but i'm going to wait until we hear from what the new municipalities has to say Thank you All of them and Stefan Thank you, your honor Well, you know, actually I see my good friend a school board president mark hannon audience I think him and superintendent joshia should be congratulated that they found a candidate who wants to get on the Library board because given these circumstances. I can't imagine anybody's knocking on people's doors to get on I think these people meant well and I truly believe, you know, jeff talked about or all the person you talked about You know the public best interest. I think I know some of these people, you know They're all people known in the community. I really truly believe they all, you know, maybe they didn't understand the Roundifications of it.  They had five year appointments. What was the difference? Clearly mistakes were made here And i'm just not sure that i'm willing to say Okay, you made a mistake. Now we want your resignation. I've made mistakes Talking, I've made mistakes voting. I've been mistakes at committee in a whole. I've made mistakes in committees. Nobody's ever said We ought to bring a resolution to take you away. You have we want you to resign I'm not a fan of the recall procedure. We all stand for election every two years Mayors every four years, you know, people don't like us, you know, that's the time to take care of us I don't see anything so egregious here. I truly believe these people meant well We've heard, you know, I've heard from many people and the biggest thing I hear about is the $94,000 You know, yeah, that's what she makes, you know, I mean If she stays five years, it's kind of a moot point. I expect her to stay five years I don't think anybody's questioning her ability She's with all the contracts. She's gonna stay five years. She's still gonna get 94 thousand dollars I think that's the thing that people can grab on to and And a couple other persons mentioned the laws Now I don't want to be accused of spreading misinformation, but I think I was reading on the internet yesterday some press releases And I believe our senator like Pam it actually had legislation that he's working on to change the state library laws So you might want to give him a call tomorrow and say Can we get this in there? I don't think it's got anything to do with this But they are looking at changing the way the state structures what we can and can't do as far as library laws And certainly if you're not happy about our limited power in this case That might be the avenue we should take Long term I guess I guess like like I said, I can't support at this time. I think Um, Ms. Huntley mentioned the leading news palities. We've agreed to do that There's a motion that we can pass tonight document 1940 asking them to reconsider it themselves I think if those things don't happen then I'd be willing to ask for the resignations, but I've just not to that point yet So without further ado, I'd like to make a motion to refer this to salary and grievances I'm sorry. Who seconded it? Motion and a second to refer to salary and grievance under discussion Referral Okay, I had almond mani you were next. Do you want to speak on the motion to refer? Do you want to speak to her? Pardon me, I would like to as opposed to referring the document at this point Okay, do you want to speak? Yes, almond mani first of all a question For uh, so the attorney mclean, I know the answer But I would like him to say it because I think it has more force than what I would say it Why do state statutes establish library boards as independent agencies? Don't have comments after the answer over many attorney mclean Thank you, your honor I don't know that I could tell you you know really what was in the legislature's mind when they Had created library boards to be independent, but you know, I can surmise that part of it was to try to take the politics out of running libraries Similar, but only only partially similar to Hordes of police and fire commissioners where That those bodies Appoint the chiefs of the police and fire department Uh Here library boards have more authority over the budgeted funds but I think The basic gist of it is to To have appointed citizens like The other citizens of the community appointed to the board to To try to remove have operation of the library Removed one step from the political process Thank you You're welcome. Thank you attorney. Um and many that's okay. Yes. Thank you. Uh, I think attorney mclean's comments distinctly Uh speak to this situation because what we're doing is making political decisions at this point in time About a decision that that a body has made with which we do not agree I sit on the board. I voted against the contract. I do not believe it is in the best interest of the city or the library However, there's a context for every decision made Realized that this council's actions this year and over the last many years Are a part of that context that made the request for a contract Come from the director There have been miniscule increases much below the inflation rate for the library for many years Same time. They've balanced their budget by cutting expenses. We laud them for that About 28 percent over the last 10 years. That's a job. Well done In addition, uh, we cut their budget for 2006 by our actions at the end of the budgetary process Almost as a surprise by 110 thousand dollars So they didn't get the expected 1.5 percent increase Uh, they lost basically 194 thousand dollars over their initial budget revenue projections related to budget then expenses Whether it's true or not their perception has been on occasion that the council is anti library Whether true or not perception in the political context is perhaps a part of reality There are decisions about the contract request were made in that context In addition, there has been a vocal and antagonist minority Pushing the library about issues Certainly there might be a degree of substance to those those allegations or concerns perhaps though a degree of Of substance is not in any sense an overriding reality And that's the context for such a decision to grant a contract Uh, that was made In addition recognize the pressure of time frame A budget finalized in november gives them one month to decide what they will do With 110 thousand dollars of actual cuts and 194 thousand dollars of less of actual dollars Quickly then the board began to put together with the direction and leadership of sharing others A program of library of voluntary retirement secondarily voluntary work reduction With the responses of those in the positions of major major leadership The board was very concerned about continuity If three or four department heads retire What will happen if the director also chooses to retire as she could have She was asking for something and what she perceived as a political environment that was charged That would give for a five-year term that would parallel department heads terms of of employment That I fully support that is parity. Nothing more would I support? That's the context and that's part of the reason For that contract being granted. I disagree with it most people here disagree with it obviously But it was a part of a political process that this council also impacted And you're purposely ignoring that part of the whole reality I think that part is a disservice to the library board So I think they're being shot at in some sense unfairly and unduly I oppose the resolution distinctly I think it's wrong. I think we need to even if we just this is screen 100 percent That their actions are their legal right and this resolution just does not help The environment nor the future of the library Thank you Thank you element matty. We do have a motion to refer a committee. There was a second it is debatable It requires a majority vote send it back And that's where we're at now all of them sushi. Did you want to speak referral? Thank you. I would ask that the alderman Vote no for the referral For the simple reason that this document is is rather watered down What we're asking for is the immediate resignation optional resignation of the six board members That voted in favor of this contract I don't think we need to send it to a committee and then two weeks later I have the same document come back to the council floor and then we're going to finish the discussion that we're in the middle of right now I think it makes more sense to just finish the discussion now because this is just an optional resignation This document would have a totally different meaning if it was asking for the immediate Termination and we do have that power. We could eliminate six board members tonight with one amendment and a vote But I don't think that would be very germane to change the word resignation to termination So I would just ask that we finish the discussion tonight rather than send it to salarine grievance because I think we would rehash a Lot of things that we've already said tonight two weeks from now when the issue would come back to us So I would ask that you vote no on this referral Alderman mire on the referral Alderman kiddleton on the referral Yes, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Muir. I this just is not very easy at all for me as I'm listening to everything too I think there are two sides to every story We've heard one side really loud and clear But from the board members that voted for the contract I I I don't know what their side of the story is and and that's their privilege I guess they did what they did I just feel um our our city attorney Did advise them to vote against the to vote against the five-year contract And so I'm weighing those issues in my mind too I did like what alderman steffen had to say is that we refer it to salarine grievance I listen to what alderman susha has to say now and she'd like to finish the the discussion here. So I and I guess where I'd like to also know where does resolution 1940 fit into the picture That alderman burg here has has brought in I I am I'm just unsure at this time I don't know where this leaves us Thank you Oh mr. Galli on the motion to refer Yes, it does have to do with the voting though with my amendment etc Alderman mani is sitting on the on the library board Is he to be abstaining during these votes since he's part of The board that we're speaking of Returning the clean I guess I thought of that after the the vote To remove or to ask for the resignation of alternate Probably it would have been best if alderman mani had abstained from that vote, but It's obvious It would not have made any difference on the bottom line I don't think alderman mani needs to abstain from Asking for the resignation of other library board members You know if it if it's his position that's at stake I can see that being a Uh a conflict but not for others Thank you turn the plane Alderman stefan on your motion to refer I just wanted to say my intention was not to send it to cell agreements to come back in two weeks and have the same conversation I think that buys us time to get a legal opinion from legal municipalities I think it also gives the library board an opportunity to meet You know, it's kind of You know, I tell my kids they did something wrong, but you don't give them a chance to fix it It's not a very good parenting. I think we they know that you know, we don't agree with them Now, let's see if they can justify it or if they say, yeah, you know, maybe we didn't realize all the ramifications I think we get by sending it to a committee and getting it back. We also buy that time Get out other options rather than taking this one Alderman senator Thank you ronner in addition to having the library meet what i'm thinking about most importantly like um Alderman kittleson said it gives them an opportunity. I can't imagine Having this issue discussed and not having my say on it and the library board for those individuals that we're considering Asking them to resign. This is an opportunity for them to come to us directly at celery and grievance And maybe they would like to have a say or they've reconsidered some things and that gives them an opportunity Okay Alderman susha second time on the referral Thank you I think that we're all kind of going down the same path with what we would like to do Basically, all this is asking for is an optional resignation from some of the board members and There's nothing that we can do in the next two weeks There's no action we could take as a board between now and then they have the opportunity to either resign Or if they think that there is a problem here They should call a meeting and try to fix the problem if they realize that there was a mistake made So again, I think that we should just ask for their optional resignation at this point And then in two weeks like you talked about document I believe it was 1940 will be coming in and I think they work hand in hand because if the library board feels They made a mistake they will probably meet before we even start discussing the next document And fix the problem. However, if they stand by their decision And they're going to stick to it saying we made the right choice. We're not going to change our minds Then we don't need to ask for their resignation because then two to four weeks from now a resolution could be drafted Asking for their immediate termination So I think we're all moving in the same direction just asking for an optional resignation this night I think resignation tonight just sends the message Saying that um, we realized that you made a mistake Some of the people on that board are very good people. It was simply a mistake But hey, you hit our radar and all we're doing is we're kind of giving you a little bit of a warning here And now we're putting the ball back in your court to fix the problem I think just by letting it slide that's not the right message that we need to send either And this isn't really very strict. We're just asking for an optional resignation And I think we should move ahead tonight and see where we go from there Thank you Alderman Ratkin Thank you your honor I think it's only fair to note that the library board None of this came out really until after we had adjourned for the year And this all came about over the holidays when there was nobody around to even consult I mean the city attorney was on vacation We didn't have to call him in all of them were nowhere to be found because they were on vacation It was a holidays. We were on short weeks and things and this all came up over the holidays And I think some of that was a timing on their part as well So that's another reason why I think we need to deal with this tonight I mean the chance was there they could have let this out to forehand before we met the last time But that didn't come out either Alderman D. Byrd, thank you your honor Alderman Schuchia keeps on saying optional resignation the documents Clearly states that they're you're asking for their immediate resignation So I think we should send it to salaries and grievance and Work on 1940 coming up Alderman Meyer Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I agree of course with alderman Schuchia on this issue. Um, we are just Sending a message. We really don't expect These board members to resign We are just trying to understand where they're coming from Because I certainly don't and the message I think we need to give is that we are upset with this decision They're supposed to be working for the people and this is definitely not what happened And I think we could get this issue solved tonight and then move on to the next document next time Thank you Second time alderman retke on the I've been a referral. Thank you your honor and all the respect alderman stuff And I would like to make an amendment to his referral Instead of sending it to the salary and grievances committee I would recommend sending it to the committee the whole so we could all sit down here and call them all in here To this chamber right on the television for everybody to see exactly what's going on And then the answers can be free flowing for each and every one of us in this room And then a second is there a second motion dies for let go a second. Did we have a second? For me It is amendable But there was no second is there a second There's a motion and a second to refer to the committee of the whole instead That will take precedence that are debatable that requires a majority vote. Is anybody does anybody want to say something? Excuse me, let me let me hook you on Okay, I'll remember a point of order. I don't have my roberts rules of order But if I recall when an amendment substantially changes the intent of the original amendment Then uh that has to then Uh that isn't a valid amendment It's a hostile amendment in this case. It's a hostile amendment. Is that and if that's the case Uh, would would this be considered a hostile amendment? It does not change the it all it does refer to another committee With all the old one present. So I don't see it would change the substance of the of the amendment So that's why I allowed it But it does refer to as a hostile amendment because it's contrary to the original intent of the first one So we're back. Does anybody want to discuss? The referral to committee of the whole Oh, excuse me. I'll remember I'll remember kiddo said did you want to say something on that? I was just going to support that we send it to salary and grievance grievance And then we get it the opportunity to attend that meeting the library board Gets to be there and where we can discuss it there at that committee Thank you. I'll remember wheel on the amendment committee of the whole sir. Thank you, honor Um If anybody listened to the radio or read the paper, they all know that we're going to discuss this tonight So I would ask us if there is any other members besides susan humley of the board here tonight Because they could have come and spoken to us tonight if we would have asked a good point. Thank you Okay, we have alramaddy, sir Thank you. Dialogues good thing Opportunity for conversation with other board members present. I think that would be advantageous I see nothing to be lost in that so whether place wherever place it goes. I would like to referral Okay, we will call the roll on the motion This would be on the motion to refer to or it's an amendment to send to a committee of the whole Instead of salary and grievances. So an aye vote would be to send it to the committee of the whole Uh, let's see here. So golly Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serda Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Seven ayes and eight no's Motion fell take a vote on the other amendment to refer to salary and grievance Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Dberg Eberg Serda Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke And Sigali Seven ayes eight no's Motion fells go back to the original motion. Hold on the uh Original motion, I believe was uh the original motion was to pass I'm sorry worse. We still have on the floor The amendment to ask for the resignation of all 10 no that fell we failed that fell back to the original motion to pass the resolution to ask for the Six we're back six great.  Thank you and I it's symbolic of the vacillation I think many of us have feel tonight to pull the trigger or or not pull the trigger and I think In that regard what we're having is a symbolic discussion about that It's reflective of the feelings and frustrations with one unique decision that was made and one vote and I A part of me that Looks at my life in some ways. I'm hired to be a professional voter Uh this week with the committee meetings. I'll probably cast something like 60 or 70 votes So there's a part of me that personally is reluctant to Ask for someone to resign based upon only their decision on one vote So I think for me the question is does this vote really meet that threshold for me to Uh to request that someone really quit their job as a result of what they've done on one vote Conversation is a two-way street. We expect the library board members to come and talk to us How many here have thought about contacting the library board members? I can't say I've talked to all of them But I've talked to about four or five of them and as you might guess They seem to be about as mixed as perhaps we are in terms of their steadfastness regarding matters such as this so One of the as a result of that I guess I came back from town out of town and I heard that there was this resolution to call for the resignations and I thought well that's Seems to be kind of strident and then I got older been rad keys Resolution I started reading it and say I could agree with all your warehouses, you know everything you say under the warehouses Seem to be what we're talking about and there seems to be a general consensus that we've reached regarding those issues So I think while we agree on the problem I don't know that we have clarity of agreement on how that problem is resolved or the solution That's what brought me to spend some time talking with some of the library trustees also had the occasion With mayor Perez to meet with the library director Ms. Winkle to to I guess ascertain her read on the situation and perhaps her willingness to Revisit some of the issues that were brought up in The agreement that was signed And I guess out of that what I came to even though we agree on the problem. We have somewhat different solutions I don't think I can support Asking for resignations because I think that just increases the vice of this But from listening to the discussion document 1040 1940 cannot be acted upon tonight because by the time we finished our meeting on thursday It was too late to get anything in therefore in my long-winded way what I want to do Is make an amendment to this resolution yet another Goes like this The whereas is will remain the same And on the back if you can look at 1940 And say now be it resolved that by this action the common council of the city shabuagan Respectfully request that the need library board of trustees Act to reopen contract negotiations with the library director To modify said contract in mirror the terms of employment that apply to other appointed city department heads So what this does is essentially Strike That language that speaks to asking for the immediate resignation And that includes the body in other words To strike on the top a resolution asking for the immediate resignation of me public library board members And then to substitute under the be it resolved That part that deals with a request that they go back and give consideration to reopening contracts Yes, that that that's a hostile amendment and changes the substances that's what you were against earlier We can't allow that. Okay Thank you all member alderman graff. That's I was it alderman server. That was it Nice try Thanks for making me write on that. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, just a couple of things I think that this is a rather somewhat ugly part of the job of an older person is having to make a decision to either fire somebody Or to reprimand anybody in any way because some of these people that are listed here are very good people They just made a major mistake that I don't think we can overlook We just need to let them know that we we noticed what happened and they expect them to take some Responsibility and change what they did A couple of things I know earlier this evening We had talked about having attorney mclean get an opinion from the legal municipalities And I would suspect that if we do that the library board will probably turn to the department of public instruction And yet have their attorneys draft an opposing view possibly Even though I know that some of the talks going on with the department of public instruction Even they are shocked that the library board and shaboy can actually gave this type of a contract to the director Um, but there is a possibility that they would present an opposing view point So we'd have two You know major entities with opposing view points So earlier today I had requested from the mayor to take this issue straight to the attorney general's office Get a written opinion from her On where this issue stands because I know that attorney mclean appears to believe that the library board can set compensation levels for them Whereas I guess the opposing view could be that you have to look at the spirit in which that law was written And I don't think the spirit in the law says, okay, you can pay this person You know a $500,000 payout But Anyway, I just think it would be better to get it straight from the top person because then nobody would I don't think you can refute what the attorney general has to say So I will hope that we follow up with that avenue in regards to what we can and cannot allow them to do But in regards to Mistake this will give them the opportunity to go ahead and make the changes necessary So hopefully they'll be scheduling a library board meeting real soon. This will be on the agenda And um, perhaps we won't even have to address 1940 because they'll solve the problem before we meet again. Thank you We have second time, I believe almond Meyer Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I received many many phone calls on this issue and um The 94 000 is a huge amount of money that people do not understand And um, seeing that 70 percent of our their library budget comes from the city The board is responsible to the taxpayers also like we are And I do believe that the majority of these board members are very good people They met well and they just took the wrong lawyers advice The city attorney did explain to them that this was not the right thing to do to sign this contract And they chose the other attorneys advice And um, I don't want this to be this is not a personal vendetta against any one of these people. They are good people And I guess I basically this is sending a message. Um, we cannot allow These things to go on in our city We are in tight budget times right now and I'm just wondering what happens in the next couple years if it turns out that this contract with Ms. Winkle is legal What happens if we do have to cut the library budget? Who is going to go? It should start at the top the budget cuts But in this case, it's not going to start at the top at all It'll probably start way at the bottom where the person really needs this job So I do support this resolution I I really doubt that many of these people will resign And I do think this is just sending a very stern message. So Thank you. Elmer Meyer all of them set up Thank you, your honor plain and simple. I think the jury's still out on this now We have not only the legal municipalities that we're going to wait to hear from but also the attorney general And what would happen if those two entities had come back and found out that this board had acted in their jurisdiction? But yet we asked for their resignations and they did take that. We would feel bad. I would believe as a council I think more information with this Concerning this issue is not going to hurt us. I think a little bit time to get back some of that Those answers is only going to help us in the long run. Thank you Before we call, I just want to make a few comments here The the resolution that Alman Burr proposes to bring in can run parallel to this one too It's become a real hot issue in the community the library decision Bernie, Mr. Markovich is a good friend of mine. There are people there that I that I respect highly respect I think I think that People are not necessarily questioning where they had the authority to do it. There's a lot of things that we have authority over And there's a lot of things that we can legally do But does that make it right? And I think that's what the issue has been and if you're listening to what people are saying out there in the community They're saying I know you have the right to do it. I know it's illegal You shouldn't have done it. That's what they're telling us and I hear it over and over and over again And that is precisely that same thing that creates distrust And a government and a board and a committee or commission because then it brings up that arrogance It says I don't care if you don't like it. I have the authority. I'm going to do it because I just simply want to do it That's the whole issue people are saying Yes, it's legal. Yes, it's right. I mean, yes, you have the jurisdiction But that doesn't make it right. I think what people are telling us is pretty strong And I think the message here from what I'm listening here Allenberg's Resolution could run parallel to this request They will see the council is serious. They will see who we made a real huge mistake here Not only contrary to to public opinion, but contrary to political opinion, too They may just say you know what instead of resigning we're going to go back And bring it forth to the table again. It both can happen at the same time, but without a message Without a strong voice from this council saying you should not have done that It goes on her My position, please call the roll Okay, this is excuse me. This is on the original resolution asking for the immediate resignations and I vote would be to pass that resolution Alderman Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali And Stefan Ten eyes five nose Motion carries 1927 will be referred to finance 1928 will be referred to finance 1929 will be referred to public protection and safety 1930 Reported committee by law and licensing recommending granting various licenses. Alderman Manny Thank you, your honor behalf of law and licensing I move to accept and adopt report of the committee There's a motion in second any discussion There being none, please call the roll Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke And Sigali Fifteen eyes Motion carries 1931 in ordinance by Alderman Berg re-established the salary for the positions of all the persons of the city of Sheboyton Alderman E. Berg I believe this is the first reading of this so shouldn't it lie over or is there some need that we have to pass it so that the You want to check? There's no rush I mean typically we do allow ordinance to lie over exact exact that's our procedure It wouldn't impact anything. It wouldn't you want to lay over? I'd like to have it lie over just 1931 we'll lay over Thank you, Alderman Berg Other matters So That will be referred to law and licensing. I'm sorry sorry McLean. I'm sorry. Thank you 1933 is a communication from John Dalton stating is upset at the recently signed employment contract for the Mead Public Library director That will be referred to the library board 1934 is a claim from Sandra Wimler for alleged damages to her basement and property due to a clogged city drain That will be referred a special committee on risk management 1935 was a communication from charter communication stating that there are telephone companies probing the country Looking for communities will grant them franchises and ask that if the city is contacted by one of these companies They would like the opportunity to highlight key provisions That will be referred to finance In 1936 is a communication from the Sheboygan press stating that as a public service to extend important civic information to citizens in Sheboygan They will begin to post all of our legal notices to an aggregated state website at no cost to the city That lies over 1937 is a communication from Fred and Muriel Krauss thanking Alderperson Meyer for her efforts as they're Alderperson That will lie over 1938 is communication received by the mayor from Herb and Joan Reisinger Stating their concerns regarding certain salaries at Mead library and feeling strongly that the city is entitled to a complete breakdown Of how the salaries are justified that will be referred to the library board 1939 is communication received by the mayor from kim kester stating she would like the mead library to offer the heritage quest A genealogy database that will be referred to the library board 1940 is a resolution to request that the library board of trustees move to reopen contract negotiations with the director of the library That lies over Excuse me Paul McGraw with his resolution your honor to make it run parallel with the other resolution and so forth would it be um advisable at this point in time to ask for suspension of the rules and pass this tonight I think the problem is that it Was not on the agenda right just notice was not Provided within You know even an emergency document needs two hours before it so I think you have an issue with the open meeting I Oh my god, I mean precedence Attorney McLean, please continue 1941 is a communication received by the mayor from dawn Roppinski stating their upset regarding the high taxes shakwaigan and the fact that her road desperately needs resurfacing That will be referred to public works There's a motion to adjourn the second all those in favor of state I