and thanks for tuning in. Microsoft Office Apps and Services MVP and Regional Director based in Lehigh, Utah. I'm here with Noah. Noah, Noah Sparks checking in from Springville, Utah. We had a wonderful Memorial Day yesterday checking on the pioneer ancestors that I have in the area. That's right, you're way down south of me with about 45-minute drive. 45 minutes. Yeah, that's all right. And we have Mark slightly further away in 45 minutes. I think four and a half hour drive. Just a little drive. Just a little bit more towards the West. I'll be a loopin' in this Utah goodness, just bringin' in a little bit of, but yeah, my cashman, I am a senior product manager at Microsoft, focused on a couple of things, but for days I am our lead product marketer for Microsoft lists. And in my wheelhouse, I also focus on the SharePoint Contensor right of Microsoft Teams and a lot of what we do for administrators and migrating content to the cloud. That also is in my wheelhouse. Yeah, there's a lot of, you've got the smorgasbord of responsibilities now of these different pieces, but there's a lot of, this new stuff like the list is Noah and I were talkin' about before we started recording. I mean, there's, I know a lot of questions out there, a lot of cool things about it, but I don't know, maybe you could start off with a high level for people who haven't taken a look at the plethora of resources that were made available in videos and things. How could you not have watched that stuff yet, people? Come on.  Come on. Well, yeah, if I can just share a couple of slides, I promise not to give my whole Microsoft lists pitch, but you can interrupt me at any time and I've always got a couple of things based on questions we might turn to. But give me one second and I will get PowerPoint workin' for us here. You tell me when you can see what you're supposed to see and tell me when you see things you're not supposed to see. So, there you go. Microsoft lists, Microsoft lists is a part of Microsoft 3.0 and really one of the things that have been most commonly, frequently asked questions, and then I'll kinda end on where I guess you're gonna have one or two immediate questions. Of course. This is something that we, this is something that we announced at Microsoft Build, so it's very fresh. And it really is an evolution of what we've been doing for years with SharePoint, SharePoint lists. And so I think the most important thing to think of list was lowercase l, SharePoint, now it's a uppercase l, Microsoft. And it really does bring it to more places than SharePoint. But at the top level, Microsoft lists is a smart information tracking app within Microsoft 365. Go into Microsoft 365 in the future when we release, we're just now at disclosure. You would, a new app, a new icon for lists, as you click into it, you would, it's home, and build abilities, but really building on that function that has been SharePoint lists for quite some time and making sure that you can create in teams, you can consume in teams, you can go to your list homepage and consume and create from there and the things that I'll show you in just a second. But we do want to really reach a broader set of full more than just SharePoint. If you think about part of our job, creating and using lists, a little bit more simple. So they're easy to create, you can be mindful with what you create them for, and not worry so much about the device that people are interacting on. We really do want to position them as being smart so that as you're tracking and managing information over time, the life cycle of energy and physical devices, different team assets, certainly different information. It's like think about the SharePoint conference, 350 sessions and all the things that go along with planning, and have that built into your collaboration efforts so that it's easy to talk about lists, it's easy to talk about individual list items, but it's really the content that you get to and make sure that the right people have the right access at the right time, and as things change, the list changes as well and becomes visual to support that, and that it's flexible so that it looks like how you want it to look like. You see a couple of examples here, and as I click through a couple of slides and I'll make sure I promised not to just do my standard demo pitch here, that you really see that lists are as you want them to be. Track the information that you need to track so that you need to track with and make it as visually engaging so that you can see what's right, what's wrong, what needs to be updated, and manage it that way. So a couple of the new things. This is Microsoft Lists Home. I hope you heard about this.  That's a different point anymore. I did see it, and that's one of my questions about that. We'll circle back to that, yeah. Yeah, so think of this, both the web and what will be later this year for mobile is an aggregate of all of your lists. So this is lists that I create and own, lists that maybe I brought into or I'm a part of a team, so this is an asset just like we share files, we're gonna share lists and the list items, but this is where I would go to see everything that I am active on that doesn't exist today. If I had to manage across even just two lists, I most likely would have to go to the team site, go into site contents and then find the list. This really up levels the value of lists and shows me everything that I'm active in. And beyond just kind of the main highlight points here, I've just got a short video that gives you a sense of what this will look like, not only to go to lists, the home, but to actually create list and how we're building off of templates, how we're building off the value that's already there. So you can already create a list from Excel, create a list from a list or like you see here, building off of a template like the event itinerary. This gives you a little preview of what you get, get kind of this, I'm gonna pause for a second because I think this is an important templating no matter what you're templating, but with lists especially you get a look and feel, you get a column or data structure and then in terms or flows or essentially rules that go along with the template, those flow in as well. The pay here is you essentially can get started pretty quickly with a structure that's been predefined. You choose where you want it to go so you can have your own list or you can make it for your team. And then when you create it, again, pausing here just for a moment, you get a sense of you're working with data and to do pull down, drop down information, you can free flow, type it in, you can pull information from your global address list for people. And if you know the value of what you can do, but we maintain all the value that's or this connection to Excel, the ability to make up if you wanted to and the ability to take it further from a workflow or business process perspective. So next pitch point, which is sort of like do is list mobile. So this to be real clear is something that's not going to release initially. So we have talked about in signal that we're gonna get started with releasing Microsoft lists there this summer, but we know work that we have to do that the list mobile app will be later this year will encompass a lot of what I just showed you. You'll be to create new lists with templates, create room, get notifications, obviously engage on the different lists, share them, edit list items, send unique list items as a share so that people can give you feedback on things that granular. And we'll start first with iOS and then a fast follow to Android. And then last that I'll pause on this is the value of teams as a hub for teamwork is inclusive of a lot of apps. And of course for us, a lot of different content types and not to get too geeky too quick. It already plays a big role in Microsoft team and so what we've positioned around already lists, pages, news, and you've probably seen some of the other announcements broader to sites and portals. But our real goal here is to make sure that when you work with a list and teams, it's a great experience. And the difference with today versus tomorrow with Microsoft lists is you'll actually be able to create, share, edit, view, do all of this starting in teams and staying in teams. So there will really be a new lists app takes advantage of what's already today, which is being able to bring in an existing list but really be that so that you can get started to create. That same thing I showed you on list home is that same experience that you would do from within lists to get started or of course once you're working in it, that you can filter and share and create rules. Do everything you would expect you'd wanna do but never leave teams. So those are my three main highlights. I've got more but I wanna overrun with slides, questions, comments, curiosities. Well, this I don't know if anything came up from that. I've got a few. Okay. I did not notice the template for ancestors. I know that's not working like that. That's immediately what came to mind. Could I keep track of all my ancestors? You can keep track of pretty much anything that may be a little bit more of a consumer play but if you wanna track your answers as a work for ancestry.com, one work item that I took on with new Microsoft lists internally is a lot of times when we do a reorg for the office division, you get a PowerPoint that shows who the different managers are and who reports to who and it's a wonderful, beautiful PowerPoint but it's oftentimes then lost as information in a deck that you may or may not remember or get back to. And so I recreated some of that structure as a list that basically says who is Mark and who is your report to and who does his manager report to and we know that as an address list. But the thing that's always missing is who works on what? So Mark works on Microsoft lists, SharePoint plus teams, migration, admin and very often if I didn't update that in my profile or it changes, I define those people especially when you work within the same team maybe one or two partner teams over. So anyway, maybe not ancestry but pretty close and those relationships are easy to create lists. They're easy to visualize and of course when it gets to then filtering who all not reports to grandpa but maybe is under that part of our tree burn or our family, I can totally visualize it. That's a brilliant use case. Well, if you wanna build that list and then share it with the community I'd love to see it once you get there. It's very easy to put together as long as all parties are to be made public you can always blur out different branches of the family tree if they're a little bit less prone to being social. Well, Mark, there were a couple of questions with the announcement with build. I mean, I saw a couple themes appear within the community. One of the first questions most common was does this replace my need for building SharePoint lists? So that legacy application SharePoint that's still out there. Does it replace the need or do they sit by side and invite, so how do they work together? Yeah, we really tried to position it as an evolution of SharePoint lists. So if I go into a SharePoint team site today and after Microsoft list is released they will be the same product. There really is only one product in market and in the future in the marketplace. We just up leveled it to Microsoft list because you have touch points that are beyond SharePoint and or are aggregate but really the experience is to be common and so that not even similar but the same. So if I were to go to a SharePoint team site and click new list, I'm effectively going to be able to create in this new way. If I had an existing list today in SharePoint that will just get additional capabilities maybe a change of look and feel. The real short answer is SharePoint lists and Microsoft lists have the same common back end which is SharePoint, a list is a list is a list and SharePoint lists will get additional capabilities but if you have existing investments in SharePoint lists those will only get better and for a lot of people who aren't maybe fluent with SharePoint they'll be able to access and use lists in a new way but really built on that same value of back end. They aren't different. We only have one list product in Microsoft 365 and in the marketplace for Microsoft and they're really being built to be an evolution of each other. I still think we're gonna, it's inevitable we're gonna hear people referring to them as classic lists and modern lists. Yeah, well to be real clear there will be still and we've been, we've tried to be clear about this that there today before Microsoft list was announced there was the notion of a classic list and we were modernizing lists. But from a what is a modern list that is only going to become what we carry we will still support classic list, the real classic list. There's a lot of line of business applications built on it. There's a lot of engines and customizations made to it but if you're able to move to the modern that modern experience is really what we're building on today and going forward. And does the app, the homepage for the list does that really only surface those new modern apps because I didn't see and you didn't mention whether in my recently access lists if I have those classic SharePoints that's a way of surfacing those also within that homepage. It's everything. So the answer is yes, it's if you have a list that you've created or are engaged on whether it's new when we release Microsoft lists as an update or I've had it for three years it's a collection. And when you get the list home for the first time it really aggregates from the Microsoft graph not to complicate the understanding of what it is but the same as you go to OneDrive to see all of your recent files and all the recent activity around files. It takes on that same notion the graph knows which lists you're active in not just the groups that you're active in but actually lists and it wants to then showcase those either ones that you've said I wanna favor it and track a little bit closer that's what you see up here or recent because your recent activity I recently was at this list and I viewed or edited an item and you would see it here and of course you can filter in on the different pivots that you would expect but it is an aggregate of all your lists doesn't it does not have to only be a new one when Microsoft list is really. Oh, that's great. So we're yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense because as you said a lot of investment a lot of time spent in those other SharePoint lists it may still make sense just to leave those in place or add onto those or create purely within SharePoint and so to be able to surface that information in one place makes sense. Well, one of the other things I was thinking of and Noah and I were talking about before we got started before he joined us was around the it's kind of the second question or theme I've heard some questions around I've been hanging out with the project MVP's and doing their phone calls as well because that's Mark, I don't know if we had this conversation that's kind of how I found my way into SharePoint was from the project and portfolio management world that I spent the first half of my career that and so that question is well, how is this different because we've been talking about the new tasks app in teams and how is this different from what's happening with to do in the tasks app and some of the integrations of the capabilities that are happening from that standpoint kind of a part two to that is because my first seeing the demos, one of my first thoughts was can I promote a list item to a task? Is there a way of maintaining the relationship between those two things and a list item have a task and likewise a task point to a specific list item? Yeah, I'll tackle both. The first one and if the terminology more from an industry perspective helps among the Microsoft 365 app portfolio when it comes to I think first looking through the lens of what helps me track and achieve my tasks and task being something that I would have assigned to me or I assigned to my and then when I click to finish it or check it off the list with my team it essentially goes to see anymore through the life cycle of how finished the task is but usually once you complete it it's there and then on but I think the broader category is task management. So I'm managing tasks. So for me to do is where I see tasks that assign myself or I can see tasks that were assigned to me in Planner or if I had full mail but it's an aggregate of everything that I wanna remind myself to do or somebody else has said assign that to Mark but it is just that it's a task when I'm done it's done. So if that helps answer I think what to do what tasks in Teams is and what Planner is the aggregate of all three of them is this new offering in Teams tasks which is that view of when I'm in Teams I can see all of my tasks and it's very similar to the UI of to do but it's very specific to within Microsoft 36 Planner than I think is then the real specific one I'm working with my team on a project and I've been assigned X, Y and Z but anyway so if the broader notion of task management is where to do Planner and Teams tasks lives lists is more focused around managing information or maybe the category that we see in the industry work management and I think the real big difference between tasks and work is information that's ongoing so it really doesn't go may change over time and you start to talk really differently we're not really just we're not talking tasks at all we're tracking physical assets so one scenario might be an asset manager I've got a team of people I've got 500 trucks that come in and out of the delivery all day, every day, every week, every month and each individual truck may have one or two devices that gets checked out to them so I keep a list of all my devices all the trucks and all the truck drivers and I can manage as the devices come in and out whether they're broken, whether they need to be repaired or if it's checked out to a person when is expected to come back and I can write some logic on if this goes out on Monday I expect it to be back on Friday if not Friday, raise a flag and notify somebody all of that is a real common list that we see people build tracks as you know but to be clear, different columns of data and it could be five, it could be 70 we had one instance recently during the crisis time where one of our customers at real great scale tracked 70 fields of information per row and they had thousands of row items and they were changed by five or six main different teams specifically in capacity going to be improved based on what they knew and each individual team or location reporting their capacity numbers so real separate set of scenarios but I think to then ground out at least I know it's a longer answer but I think sometimes explanation when we've got some time it helps is list is also highly customizable some of the things are just out of the box change of color, adjust the choice fields and how many drop down items are there what fields of information you will track and then of course the forms themselves and the flows that you can then associate to all of the tracking when you go back to something like to do planner or tasks it's very fixed in the user interface and that's a good thing the forms are fixed the fields that you can track are relatively fixed and they often aren't tied to a flow or a business process as simple or as complex as you want to make them and with lists really it's just a starting point how much do you need to add process how much do you need to convert the form to track or show certain pieces of information to different types of personas that may or may not sign in and I think that last mile is when you need more there's this continuum of spectrum the out of box for every person every day there's the makers or citizen developers that probably folks that are listening to this probably fit into fairly well all the way up to then true custom applications and there's other points of integration that lists take on with the power platform and of course the Microsoft graph for real extensibility through the lists API and that's a pretty broad spectrum so we're not really gonna always talk to all personas all the time but when you get to what's really different it's that tasks versus work management the ability to customize and configure and the different types of scenarios that always go beyond tasks that really get into asset management event itineraries and the different types of lists that we see people having made and will continue to make on that list backbone. I like the distinction you drew Mark because it plays off of duration how long is this list item gonna be around right? And that's how you make a decision whether it's it. Yeah and if something changes let's just say status goes from in review to approved in the concept of a task that's not unusual but it also might trigger a full on workflow to notify the sales team and finalize the details that have been also in review to provide them with some set of information and then let's say sale cycle changes and things get deep prioritized or whatever might change that status might go from approved to approved but some level of difference where as they're tracking what are the core priorities for this quarter? The item doesn't go away but the priority on that item might have changed and so you still wanna track it manage it but show it in a little bit of a different way and that's something that when you layer in any type of information think about all the video blogs that you guys have been doing how you might just track and manage those over time and gosh we've got build coming up we heard from Microsoft they're gonna be announcing updates to Cortex, Yammer and lists. Well, we are already planning these six things let's just adjust timing and maybe change our schedule a little bit. Super easy to do and to the tip of the iceberg as far as the scenarios but one thing that I'll point out if I go just back to this one next slide if you can still see my screen is in this animation you get into this notion of templates and just here on the left you'll see the ones that at least we're currently working on there's certain adjustments we're doing to naming but think about these kinds of things again with that question in mind what to use when would I build out an issue tracking task list maybe if you just have a handful but if they're always an ongoing and as they come up you need to track what's getting squashed by whom and what's getting addressed by different teams and when it gets addressed how do you have that log of data for a dashboard in Power BI, that's an extreme but not too hard to build with lists and again we hope some of these scenario-based templates help address the what do I use lists for not always to be when do I use this versus that but more when I turn to use lists what can I do with it and we want that to be super clear and do we lose the notion of views, list views or are they still around? No, they're definitely around they're a big part of what we're doing we actually have a couple of new views that we're bringing and I'll see if I can bring it up here so you've known probably a lot of the different views that are out of the box you can operate any view based on what column data you do or don't wanna show but we're also bringing calendar view so any list item that has a date associated to it you can visualize it to see in calendar view that's what you see here and then there would be something on the grid view which is a standpoint we've seen in those past couple of slides there's also this notion of a gallery view something that's a little bit more card oriented you can choose to design the card whether the image is on top or the bottom if there's an image at all what information appears but one nice thing again not a new thing in the notion of our industry but new for being able to do this very easily and be able to focus as a default view if it's an asset manager that edge of the asset might be pretty very on what we're talking about and each represents essentially a row of data visual on the card so we are keeping you create your view and publish it public and private views be able to munch off of how you are and how you format and do all of that but some of the out of box I just wanna pivot on some of these new all type views you'll be able to do that and essentially you're able to do everything you've been able to do up until now a quicker time to market for the types of views that people did a lot of customization to achieve like the calendar view, like a card layout type view and even more that we're working on to give people that flexibility of how do you wanna represent your data and I hope this even other question these are things that you can do with lists that aren't a core capability with some of the other offerings because the use cases I think are very different I'm also curious Mark if you've got any reporting templates so if you do wanna get into those scenarios of aggregating issues by product or whatever right or team is there a template for that view or do you have to go in customize that? You know, a lot of the templates just to be fair are just a quick start to all the things that you can do it's obviously to help visualize what lists are capable of the different capabilities that you have to create the forms that you want the logic behind that might not yet full power automate what follow that if this then do that and some of the conditional formatting so there are a lot of just to promote the art of the possible and as it gets down to actually using them of course they're then very specific to what you're supposed to be able to accomplish pretty easily from a reporting perspective obviously a lot of teams across a lot of different companies will report in different ways and I've seen use internally of Lyft they're just standard on tracking 15 different KPIs this is how the OneDrive and the SharePoint team work and they track, green is good, yellow needs work red is bad and that changes over time and how they're tracking across those 15 different milestone, different KPI metrics but I've seen other teams that track a lot more than 15 they push the list data into more of a Power BI dashboard and everything in between is what we want to be able to offer and not to be too shy on my answer but the types of templates that you would expect us to deliver we hope to be both horizontal and vertical there's some that we haven't yet talked about that we will share more about later in the summer that are a little bit more specific to different industries like healthcare, retail and others but they are just that for us at this point in time first party templates very much configured to the use case and what we know people commonly track and how they visualize but even with a template you can further customize, you can add a field you can configure the form even more you'll soon be able to give a header or a footer to a form that doesn't require yet Power Apps but when you need full customization of the form or richer type flows that get a little bit more complex there's always that avenue to go a little bit further and I don't know if this really addresses kind of your question but it's one point that might have been maybe the third thing that you and Christian have been hearing and it's really this back to that continuum this is not a real refined slide it's just a talking point to have a discussion that when you look at Microsoft's full portfolio beyond Microsoft 365 we wanna enable everybody from simple out-of-box skill set that's really focused on the business but maybe isn't as tech savvy and I really fall into about here in between here to getting to those folks that no Power Apps, no Power Automate really start to build out rich business applications or what sometimes referred to as productivity apps to then real true custom development in a language for a developer that is leveraging the SharePoint framework and above with C-Sharp and all those things we really see this portfolio being what do you need now and if you need to grow further or grow up across the organization you can really start to bring in and build off of lists or maybe cut over and do more with a different set of tools I'll be frank, this opens up a lot of different discussions but it is a way that we're looking at when you think about what do I use when and how it might be a lot of different ways that Microsoft can support you but to the point of helping with reporting absolutely if you need to better visualize that data that you're tracking in the list maybe that's where we turn to something like Power BI but I think as you start to get in and start to do what it is that you can do just out of the box with Microsoft lists that's where we'll start to be a little bit more focused on well what is it you're trying to accomplish if it's a pretty straightforward the scenario is supported by the template or you can build and customize a little bit with rules, views, filtering, you can do that and what you see here is kind of our new rules engine that I think will be some of the new capabilities that you can leverage to design and take further beyond the template adhering to the scenario that you define for your business process not for how Microsoft defines the template to be able to then do some of these things as easy as hopefully you can see here is just being able to write a sentence on when something happens I need something else to happen and you're hopefully being able to see that value already today if you know what you're doing and tomorrow being able to do it much more simply and even more so either directly in teams or just not leaving the confines of working with your list and being able to configure it. A spectacular mark, is Outlook a destination as well for maybe interactive lists updating or editing? Yeah, this is where I'll certainly not bet anything off on the roadmap by nature of we just haven't yet disclosed but the notion is there if you know about the fluid framework and you know about the value of the Microsoft graph the idea going forward is that things within Microsoft 365 become more componentized or modularized and we talk about that in the context of table data in Excel being able to be a part of a conversation easily and the real value is that being able to update anywhere but we also think about anything that is searchable by Microsoft search which then becomes available to the Microsoft graph it's based on what you do and who you work with that notion of lists and list items are already there as a part of the search index. They will become more prominent in the Microsoft graph and as the fluid framework starts to take hold and become something that not only is available but is something that we can then plug into as a part of the solution. I think you'll start to see the shareability and the usability of lists and list items or the forms that are associated with them that are more kept with wherever somebody had sent your eyeballs to. So imagine a form that somebody emails you and you fill out the form and you really don't leave the confines of the email inbox. That's pretty doable, right? In the concepts that are being promoted with the fluid framework. Those are the types of design patterns that we want to adhere to. We'll certainly get started with a lot of other tech that has been disclosed and released but it's not a stretch because we are already with lists a part of the Microsoft search experience and as we refine and be able to build and give further capabilities in what you can do based with these other, what I do believe become common experiences to be able to add X or Y into a chat or an email or an other. What I was thinking is an example, Mark, like Excel, being able to go in and Excel online and mention somebody as a comment or as a note and it sets a notification, hits their outlook, they can click on it, jump right over and input the data that they want on that. That type of interaction with like, I think that's one of those, you talk about these common experiences that we're seeing is this contextual collaboration across these various tools and workloads is we're seeing more and more of that which I think is incredibly powerful. Yeah, and I think you bring up a good point and maybe I sort of jumped ahead to just something that I think is going to be the future which we've already talked about. So not really disclosing anything new but to your point, the ability what we talked about at our disclosure moment is this new capability for comments and I'll just run this here so you can see it. It's pretty basic information but to be able to do that on a list is new and to be able to do it at the item level is important. Now, this plays into both information I can add to the list. So this comment that you see here is essentially like you're adding data to the column that now is listed as comment visualized here kind of side by side but there's nothing that is a stretch for us to be able to work on and include at mentions so to be able to more further pull somebody in more easily so I could add mention both of you, one of you to bring you your attention to this list item and there is a notion that we're already starting on commenting within Word or commenting in other places where you could up level the comment to a task and so again, nothing to disclose here except for that want to give you a platform that you can do all of this again without having to build it yourself and if there was a notion in the future where on a list item you were to provide a comment with at mentioning somebody and assign them a task that's not a stretch for what we wanna achieve. So you know what make you think of Mark is in to do how you have the flagged email as a view as a report and so it's just another list in to do it's not a stretch to think about any at mentions as a to do list. That's right. And I think then that real clear distinction back to your original question, the what to use when is at that point in time if that is the direction that we go or our customers want us to go that task is not a feature of lists. It is just that I'm assigning some content type it happens to be a list item to somebody to do something and the aggregate of that task would be alongside what it is that you experience in to do my items that I assigned myself planer because a part of a broader project I was assigned a couple of things and this notion of somebody being able to add mention me wherever in Microsoft 365 and check a box that says make it a task you know that happens to then play across all the different content types where then to do is the aggregate of or if I'm in teams the Microsoft teams tasks is that aggregate view of anything that has been assigned to me as a task but it's not lists is a task management it's just lists will contribute a piece of information that you could maybe assign somebody a task to do something with. So it's a great, great distinction. It's certainly further down in the roadmap of lists if we do take that on but the notion that we're talking about today is of course we're wanting to be mindful to be able to comment but do it more targetedly with an app mention that'll come later in the roadmap. But then that grow-up story where you have this common pattern of how and when you add mention somebody and what you can do that should be a common experience across Microsoft 365 and again without disclosing anything that is a goal of the broader org across these different app teams. Yeah, I think that's some homework for maybe no and I to do and go research in user voice see what's out there go and try and get some community support for some of those types of ideas but I know we're kind of getting up to the end of the hour here. Yeah, I was going to ask you that to share like where people go to get more information. Of course they can type in now the Microsoft lists app most of the results that come back are all to-do related which is different. Yeah, but how SEO is working because this is brand new. Yeah, so these are great. Yeah, to be frank, we're not in market yet with Microsoft lists most of the new assets that I showed you visually. Again, reiterating we are an evolution of SharePoint lists so you can already get started with building a list and trying some of these things those will get the Microsoft list capabilities. You'll soon see if you're in the target to release early this summer or later this summer depending on what release cycle you're in you'll see the new list home up here. You'll be able to create lists with these new templates. You'll be able to do things in teams but if you want an early look of course have a broader blog that we wrote at the build time frame that's out there. We have a resource center that will be a catch all for blogs for demos for on-demand sessions and of course some of our customer stories that are starting to evolve and a great video that my peer Michaela Barrett put together if you really want to see a nice demo and it's some really nice way to ground what is Microsoft lists just go to aka.mslist slash whatever you find interesting here but the demo video is something it's about 15 minutes long and she goes into really nice detail of what's new, how it builds on to SharePoint lists and what are some of the different milestones to come but I'll just put on what's not on the list if you do have any questions about Microsoft lists I'm not too hard to find at Microsoft on Twitter at mcashman that's with a K M K A S H M A N or if you channel it through Christian and any of the collab talk or anything he'll make sure I get eyeballs on it if we don't have questions that are answered we'll make sure that they get answered and you do have a podcast and did an intro zone you guys did a session on this as well? Yeah, we did, you know again you try to choose what are the three things that we want people to walk away with but if you go into the resource center you'll see everything demos, podcasts, blog and we did do a unique intro zone episode with Michaela Barrett and Lincoln Demaris who are our lead Microsoft list PMMs and if you've known them from the past there are also our SharePoint list experts so it really is a grow up story in how they're building and designing it and it was a great discussion if you want to hear a little bit of the backstory so certainly always you should be subscribing to the intro zone, I mean come on but yes there is a new one we'll assume that is, you know everybody who's listened to this has already done that so yeah. Absolutely. Well, Mark, really appreciate your time today and providing us a great overview of the Microsoft list app. Very welcome, thanks for having me and thanks for your interest both to you and your audience on Microsoft lists and all the history in the past and of course lots to come, lots more to come. All right, thanks a lot, we'll see you later. See ya.


And then of course I'm seeing a really powerful looking woman in a genre that is typically known for men. And so there right there is this huge research question for people to dig into. Well, a question that I think is really interesting just to throw it back to you is to think about why are the genres of jazz and R&B and even gospel part of our collective knowledge and our cultural understanding of the musical cultures of New Orleans, but less so rap and hip hop. It's so important as a cultural expression. So in terms of its relationships, I think one of the things that I've noticed just sort of looking through our collections is seeing the names on some of our albums. And so we have set a fairly large collection of local artists from the 90s and early 2000s. And as I look at their names on those albums, I'm like, I know that name, but I know them from other genres that we have in our collections. So they might also be in a brass band or we might see their names popping up across areas. But as we also think about how music is generated, they're all really intrinsic expressions of our local culture. So it's really, really deep in the local culture. And you're gonna start seeing those influences come out across all the genres. When you think of the brass bands, there are brass bands that are very specific to different wards even. And when you look at the hip hop, you'll see that as well. I was just sort of glancing over my shoulder at some of these and I was just, my attention was captured by this album, by the twins. And the image in the background is St. Rock Market, which if we know today, it still exists. It's undergone a lot of renovation since this photo and this album was released in 2010. But it's just sort of having this particular image places these artists in that very specific community. So if it were mostly local artists, especially local artists that are really hard to get ahold of their albums, I would probably absolutely love to put it in our collection here at Tulane, but I might put limitations on its circulation. So I might try to limit access so that people can listen to it, but they have to listen to it here in the library. And I would be doing that primarily to try and protect the copyright and intellectual property rights of the original creators. The mixtape as a concept is just this amazing cultural artifact as it is, right? It's like this whole ethos and cultural way of music consumption. So just thinking about that mixtape as its own object is like so many things you can do with it as a research object, but then also as an artifact that carries local music, that access point is gonna be really, really important. Yes for growth, but with some parameters and limits. So when I say yes for growth, just the literature and the research that's being produced right now is just exploding. Like I was just looking for some books to pull because they're amazing. And I think I saw 10 of them are going through our cataloging process, which means we just bought them, they were just released, they'll be in ourselves soon, which is great. So we can continue purchasing books and we'll find more and more research articles about rap and hip hop culture in our collections, which is fabulous. The possibility for collecting sound recordings, that's where I'm like, yes, but with limitations a little bit. So when I came in in 2009, it took me a little while to figure out where I was in the town I was living in. But by like 2010, 2011, I was like, we don't have any of these local albums in our collection. So then I was able to sort of retrospectively purchase some releases from the 1990s. They were on CD, so it was easy for me to get. But then like around 2013, 2014, when I started looking for contemporary releases, what I was discovering is so many of them were digital downloads, which makes a lot of sense. It's just money sense for the creators. It's way more economical for people to be releasing digital downloads rather than printing CDs that they may or may not be able to sell. So they're releasing to digital downloads. It also made it more available for the average person, which was their primary audience. So when you look at the licenses for digital downloads, it's very much so about making it available only for an individual user. You can't share it. You can't host it on your own streaming platform. And so that really puts up a huge barrier for libraries, especially academic libraries, to be able not only to purchase them, but to be able to provide access to the community, mostly the two-lane community and whenever possible, the broader community as well. That's a really good question because like so very few people actually have a CD player anymore. I think a lot of today's students have probably never even listened to a CD, nevermind held one. I do still purchase CDs. I'm just gonna pull this one out. It's such a great example. And so there are a couple reasons why I buy CDs. One is, again, sort of comes down to the licensing issue that I mentioned earlier when you have digital releases. Those licenses that come with them sort of make them inaccessible for libraries or libraries become ineligible. If I can get a physical CD, then I totally will. And I get them for reasons like this insert. This is a really skinny insert. It's just one page back in front. But just looking at this, I get so much information from it. This is for Katrinaville Entertainment. So what was going on in the culture at the time when they're saying Katrinaville, right? This was produced in 2010, just five years after Hurricane Katrina. So you're seeing sort of the cultural response to that really catastrophic event. I'm seeing images of, again, like the same rock market and seeing how it's changed over time in that particular neighborhood. And then, of course, I'm seeing a really powerful-looking woman in a genre that is typically known for men. It's hard for a woman to break in. So this is raising all kinds of questions of where are the women? Who are the women historically in Orleans hip hop? And so there right there is this huge research question for people to dig into. When I buy CDs now, partly for these friends, there's so much information in them. But also when I'm purchasing them, nowadays I'm mostly focusing, as best I can, on local content, or I'm focusing on releases that seem to have a really, really significant cultural moment. So that seemed to have really gotten people locally and sort of nationally talking about something. When NASAC sort of broke into the field, I need his albums because he was so pivotal. There was a changing moment in music and genre around his break-in album. So we should have that album in our collection, for example. I do still purchase classical music. The base of our collection actually started in the music department. It was originally intended to support the teaching and learning and research of music, which historically had been focused on classical European-centered music that has clearly shifted dramatically over time. So now if you look at a lot of the classes, we still have all of those classes, but we also have contemporary composition. So there's a lot of electronic music, experimental music. When those are available on CD, I will buy them. So there was a release, it's called One-Bit Symphony.  We have that in our collection. It's sort of cool, right? It's awesome. My collections here at Howard Titt and Memorial Library, they're focused on materials that are just commercially available. If they got lost or broken because life, it's not gonna be a tremendous loss to our cultural heritage and our cultural memory. They're there for people to enjoy. They're there for people to conduct their research. They're available for anybody trying to understand the broader local history, right? And our cultural heritage. So if you're looking for really contemporary music that's only available online, actually the New Orleans Public Library has a really fabulous program and you can stream local artists. And in fact, if you all know any local hip hop artists, you should really advocate for them. They're not already to submit their work to that local collection because it's voluntary, it's opt-in. And so what people can see in that New Orleans music collection, people might mistakenly think, oh, that is all of New Orleans music just because there are so many absences. So people really need to go in and get their music in there to be sure all of New Orleans musical culture is really represented in there. Where archives are specifically important is they can sort of reach deeper into the culture than I'm able to do with just these commercial releases. If they have the capacity, then they can also get some of the unreleased albums a little bit more easily than I can. They can get the notes if they're in a handwritten notes or communications. And Amistad Research Center, which is technically not a part of Tulane, it's an independent archive, but they are on the Tulane University campus. They are home to the NOLA Hip Hop Archive. It's amazing, everybody should Google it. It's just NOLA Hip Hop Archive. There's a whole online digital platform that features interviews that they did maybe 10 or more years ago with really important and significant local hip hop artists. You're not gonna find those anywhere else. So that's a really amazing way that archives can go and talk to people in the community and capture their stories. And with their permission, make those stories available for the broader world. It's amazing. If you wanted to sort of expand more broadly to try and place where does New Orleans hip hop fit in the broader national view, then people can look out to Cornell. They have an amazing hip hop archive. They're one of the first that I'm aware of to really dig into archiving and documenting hip hop culture in the Northeast region. It's really amazing collection.