Sean McDermott put a rest to what's going on with Stefan Diggs and Josh Allen and all those buffalo bills that are expected to win the Super Bowl But are we buying it? I think so. I think we'll put it to rest at least until the playoffs We showed you those numbers yesterday. We have Chase Daniel in studio. Hates of people say Chase Daniels I've never seen him like react like that. Like it'd be if I called Stefan Diggs to fondig It's not his name. Get it right. We'll do that. We've got Hamilton We've got oh father's day. Don't get him a tire pizza oven get him these gifts right now Tated pizza ovens. I don't know why I said that father's day is around the corner It is Sunday and pizza ovens are a legit great gift and if you just you know I can imagine if you're in a partnership in a couple of them That's outside you want your telly tell your your partner to go kick rocks for a couple of hours Get them out there making you some pizzas for dinner fun for the whole family as my producer Richard just told me in our ear Okay, we've got some NFL storylines here Chase Daniel will be joining us shortly to go over some father's day gifts That I think are appropriate for the day from my very you know my vantage point and angle But we do want to give an update on Buffalo and yes, we did make some assumptions yesterday And we did dig into like what this could maybe be there's some very interesting playoff numbers when it comes to Stefan Diggs in the postseason not being targeted not having a touchdown not getting a lot of love from Josh Allen You know when he was upset after that bangles loss and he left it was probably because he wasn't getting the ball in those times So we don't know exactly what's going on with digs But there wasn't positivity because he was on the field Sean McDermott provided some clarity on why digs left bills camp early on Tuesday And we got to a point yesterday where I just we just felt like we all needed a break and some space And so I gave Steph permission to get some space and and and and head out and and then picked up those conversations after practice So let me make it clear was it was not Steph leading unexcused. He was excused by me and So those conversations have got us to a to what I think and believe is a great spot He was concerned a couple days ago clearly different some movement or conversations I mean is it weird that they needed space after they've had like months and months of space leading up to this Maybe just a little bit but Conrad our line producer after a show he goes outside and does like three laps You know, some people just may have their thing to do right Conrad you ain't wrong He disappears and then he brings me a snack and everything's great We all get out and we sit down and things are great So people you know people have their things and coach McDermott seems to believe the issue is behind them At least he's saying no which is what he should do So let's just all take his word for it and drop this for now digs was there He was dappin up Josh Allen. They're seen walking together So I hope it's over because digs is a special player I do not want to see his perception or legacy or anything tarnished even a little bit Because we honestly don't know what's going on and I'm gonna say it's over we're putting it to rest until the playoffs Okay dot dot dot Until those big games in the playoffs because this team has a crazy expectation This boy is the cover boy on Madden Stefan takes has been there in those big playoff moments mini miracle He wants the ball will Josh have the stones to get it to him Even if there's guys draped over him or is he gonna give it to Gabe or is it those things are gonna be scrutinized We're gonna remember them even from now Looking back there Danita is everything. Okay, we are running. We are doing laps in to Conrad laughs are happening in studio today No laps happen after the show not during the show It's a special it's a special show because we've chased Daniel here I'm very excited to talk about Mizzou and all sorts of fun NFL store And I'm sure he's got opportunities on here on like needs a chemistry between a quarterback any wide receiver So let's get to it but this week in his father's day guys and buying your dad the perfect gift Can be challenging and I feel bad for dads because they get the worst gifts It's true They get the socks and I'm not that I don't love a sock gift or they get like a tool or they get something It's just always sort of like Stock you something or you know or something that they don't want to use or or you get them those like Something that they have to wear like if you're a little kid and you get your dad like some awful t-shirt of like Bart Simpson Saying world's best day like they have to wear that because you're a little kid and like they have it's just like not the best thing So we thought that we would help dads out and why not bring out a dad to help me I'm not just any dad dad whose kids are brought to tears at the very site of him here is NFL quarterback chase Daniel Son seeing him on the NFL. I don't want to cry. I haven't seen this. Let me take a look Daniel chase Daniel here we've been hanging out the morning. How would we first saw that? What did you think I mean just tears of joy a little bit? I mean he was given brought the tears of joy and obviously that was a preseason game and and for him to actually Understand what dad does in the time that was like my goal was like play as long as humanly possible So my kids can understand what I do because it's pretty special I think a lot of NFL players have that mentality. Yeah, I want my kids here at training camp bring everybody Yeah, and last year was his first year where he really understood like what dad does and he was just you know There's a family right there. He was brought the tears Three like She is almost to Preston is five and a half and we have Parker Who's our wild child? She is three three and a half? So it's been it's been a journey. We're really busy. My wife's really busy She's been amazing But yeah, the video was was so cool. I decided to post it I don't post a lot about my kids. I try to keep them off social media But that was a special moment the charges reposted NFL reposted it so it was a clip that went pretty viral was awesome I love it. I think we have you here today. Thanks for talking about the Chargers You know I have that helmet that's not just because you're here. Yeah, that charge is up there Chargers and saints. Well, yeah, I love those things and you loved your breeze and you know, we got all this You got a lot of connections here to talk about Father's Day is Sunday. So happy early Father's Day The beautiful dad of three beautiful children But worst gift you've ever gotten I don't care about the best gift I mean listen I heard the intro to the Father's Day gifts. I mean it's got to be socks, right?  What would you want?  So this Father's Day all I want to do is just go play around It's easy. I like that but I would say I saw you I heard you say like hey You got to wear these shirts if I don't like the shirt. I'm not wearing it really Yeah, like I don't care like what it is like luckily my wife's like keep me fashion forward like whatever it is Yeah, she doesn't like you know put me anything like bad or anything But if I got something I didn't like but it's so funny I made you this off and then you have to wear it or a tie that they're Yes, that's world's best dad and look why Okay, so I thought we could take a look at and my producer Eric looked this up These are this is Esquire. This is the top 2023 gifts according to them craft beer club subscription Farabody fair. That's a good one there a body thing like yeah, we have I have like 15 though There's NFL. So yeah a personalized money clip is a terrifying gift Yeah, anything personal.   That's good.  Yeah, because it's just if I don't use it it just it takes up freezer space and I like my freezer space Okay, I love that so here. I thought I have a couple gifts that I want you to tell me but I mean for these sort of get I literally think I'm not kidding go to Dick's Sporting Goods I just shot another commercial there and it's that it's like a city you go in there And there's everything you could possibly need so that's the first place that I would go But these are sort of ideas from my from sort of the partner vantage point granted I'm not married and I don't have a husband that has kids, but I'm gonna help you guys anyway because I know Men don't get them. Okay. Here's what I would do. Don't get them like a pizza oven or a meat thermometer You here's what you do you find as as the woman as the partner the mom You find a concert to a show that he would like to go to and you would like to go to but you pick it on a weekend That yeah, it takes a lot of research. Okay girls like to be prepared Let's say you have a golf weekend with the boys in Scottsdale. Yeah, just a golf weekend in Scottsdale I've been I've had that line used on me before and then you find oh Pearl Jam Pearl Jam is playing that weekend Those are the tickets you get amazing because you know he's saying I can't go Pearl Jam Here's the tour right of course, but you pick a week And you say oh great September 10th is always the weekend that he goes and visits Uncle Bobby down in Nashville So that's the weekend I'm picking because then you get it for him and you're up and then he says I can't go and you go You can't and then you get to go to see Pearl Jam. Yeah, so you like the gifts that keep giving you I got you in some way who wants a craft? I mean, I'd love to go to Pearl Jam. There we go. Okay. Okay wife He's watching down in San Diego. Let's go. Um, don't get them a craft beer Subscription guys. I think Sunday tickets a great gift. Oh, I this is not an ad.  Yeah, unless you have kids You got to take care of the kids. It could backfire. Yeah, but then we want to teach him young Listen, these kids are on tiktok. They can't handle longer than five minutes. Welcome to 12 hours of Scott Hanson Everyone that that's the best way to get people out of that sort attention span thing Okay, what are other gift options? I think I have so yeah Sunday ticket would be good.   Have you heard of these? Oh, yeah, we have one that it needs replacing honestly, so we could I could get one. I do like that They cost like nine thousand. They were not $9,000 seven years ago. They're like 200 inflation, man 500 500 50 600 bucks. They're expensive, but they're worth it I'm telling you ladies mortgage your house for this because I have all of my friend I have called four different friends in the last four months or so that are like Griffin is vacuuming like he loves vacuuming. We got this dice in fact It is such an easy thing if you want your husband to do chores around the house You want dad dad to start vacuuming? Yeah, it's his name's Griffin and he's dating Tanya and he needs to marry Tanya And that's what I think. Oh, yes, they're talking in my ear.  Those vacuums are pretty powerful They are fun. Like I don't mind vacuuming around the kitchen and around the house with those Yeah, I mean we like it get dad anything.  It's gonna look nice No, he's doing it for you because you guys love gadgets Okay, so then and the other gift I had on here was one that I mentioned in the meeting Maybe like an air tag like an Apple air tag. Have you heard of these? Oh, definitely Why an air tag just because you know, like you can like you want to keep They lose things all the time.  What what Hamilton? I'm into a psychologist or therapist and have them break this down and tell us what this says about you because there's a lot going on here and I Was gonna say it Apple air tags this says a lot about you these gifts. That's all I'm gonna say That one was a joke with the Dyson vacuum is a great trick. Yeah, I like it. I'm all in you guys are so easy All right, let's we'll take a short break here coming up. It's you and me and then coming up It's you and Hamilton and I've got ridiculous photos of the two of you from is it I can't wait see you at the Mizzou We might have some pick no, but I Gotta We're back with 14-year NFL vet highs and finalists in Mizzou Tigers legend chase Daniel in the meantime Hamilton is uploaded that video to all of my dating apps. So No one's ever taking me out ever again after Apple air tag gates. It was just a joke people chase You've been a free agent for about two years now. Is that true? No, I was with the Chargers. Yeah chargers now Yeah, what's your story? What's next? I don't know, you know, we're taking it day by day step by step So we'll just we'll see what happens. There's been some interest from teams, but I'm in no rush to sign and I've been enjoying doing this media stuff I did NFL network throughout the year and just different shows like this like pop-in shows like this So we'll see what happens, but I still feel like I can play at a really high level still want to play at a high level But you know, you never know what will happen. Would you learn about yourself or would you learn about the business? I mean you've been covered your entire life by people like me and then all of a sudden you're standing there with D'Angelo Hall Omar Ruiz who I love at NFL media and you crushed it So what did you learn in that process that well just a lot like how shows just put together? I remember my first show going in my first one my wife went to Mizzou as well and she was journalism major So she sort of prepped me on like what a show could look like, but I walked in I was telling you know Hammer and you I was like I walked in the first time doing the show and I'm like, okay We're building a show from scratch because it's a reaction to show It's not like you have points to talk about before so you go and you watch the show and these these guys and producers are talking about like Hey, here's an a-block. Here's a b-block. I'm like, what is it? Here's an exo. Here's the tail. I'm like, what is that? Yeah, look at the jib. I'm like where's there's like 15 cameras I'm like am I am I looking at the camera am I looking at you know So that to me the first couple shows was difficult to sort of wrap my head around But then just everyone there at NFL media and NFL Network were so great It just helped me learn the ropes and so by like my third or fourth show The producers were you know, hey, what should we talk about today? So I felt a lot more comfortable Well, it's just because it's a reaction show, but you know, that's the thing you know the game as quarterbacks You go, you know, you know what to see here's the three or four points And so it was really cool to be able to do I think I did like 20 shows So it was it was really good reps. I hired a broadcast agent last year Even when I was playing because I'm like listen, I think I think I want to do this For a long time because you can do it for a lot longer than you played But also you could learn so much about different opportunities and different media And you just have a really good appreciation for what you guys and girls Do to cover the most popular game in the world. I think you're saying you can't do it for as long as you played It played for a long time 14 years You can talk to the ball We were at the same time so you're just as old as I am I know I'm just like this bank 14 and hence the lasers 14 years You are a quarterback in the league right and you played for exactly one quarter of the nfl's current head coaches Broadcasters like that that you are you're a gem. You're bringing gold. All you have to do is talk about this Three super bowl champions in this group shampai and and you read dump peterson. They all have wildly different unique personalities What's the biggest thread those three had in common? That's a great question So, I mean, yeah, I mean hammer put this list together and sent it to me last night and I'm like It's been like wow like you actually just take a step back for a little bit See and understand like this is really really cool And that's sort of why I've been able to stay around so long except have great relationships But the common thread between those three coaches, right? Andy read shampai and doug peterson all super bowl champions They all know how to talk to the team. It's all personality based and I'm not saying that these other coaches don't but they have a way of Really funneling what they want to say Two players and these these are grown men not there's not college level players Well, they'll just believe you it's the accountability factor.  Well, he just walks in he'll walk down the hall And I remember like my first year there and I'm going for backup It was like me and patrick ramsey an old school name in louisiana We were it was 2010 is after we won the super bowl and I was third string and I was competing for second string I had a horrible training camp practice and it was an open competition They said and Sean was like hey, like, you know, don't worry about it But like that pass you missed that a grade school guy can do that and I was like Oh, you know, it was it wasn't in like a mean roux way But it was like almost like a snarky way where I walked away like I'm gonna prove you wrong Like I'm gonna prove you so there's all sorts of details like that and he does it by each player It's not just the team. It's so hard to understand But you you can respect a guy like that. That's a players coach and what do I mean by players coach? He demands respect But he'll also be confident and swaggy and snarky in ways that just relates to the players I think the coolest thing about him and the thing that that goes Sort of underrated or under pressure, but guys like him and tomlin And really you can say what you want about bellachuck I know he's not a players coach but the fact that you can get to players I'll let's take bellachuck out of it because it's sort of going to muck up the thing here But the fact that you can do it over and over. Yeah, that's the thing Like sure like it'll work for five years But if you're peak carol and you're in that lot, but you're still reinventing ways to Relate to your players like it's hard to sustain that and do that There's no doubt about it and the thing about all these special coaches, right? All these coaches on the list and some more around the league That's a good one carol. They've got some great ones, but they know how to keep a locker room together There's going to be ebbs and flows in the year. It's not always going to be great The number one thing that andy reed did in his first year. I was there his first year In kansas city was he really set the culture from day one This is what and it's just very black and white This is what's expected of you and this is how we're going to get there And we went nine and oh to start the year in 2013 and it's like that helps So you have to have success on the field for it to actually like hey in grain But they've built such an amazing culture there and culture matters Culture wins in the national football league. Who is the best culture in the NFL right now? Who's the best what who is the best culture you think in the NFL? Who has a culture that if you were to like Give them an award. So I think that there are Like on any given year, there's between five to eight teams that really have it together, right? You start and those are the teams that are winning you start with buffalo Cincinnati, kansas city, I'd say new orleans. It's still ingrained in that culture And what did it sound is to be able to do there? Like la la chargers were awesome culture Like people wanted to go to work there and the results on the field were were mixed the last two years with staley But you can see it flip once there's a little injection of new of any new leadership or that defined culture from Yeah, and so that's why these five to eight teams year after year are playing in the playoffs Very few like Doug Peterson. I'll take you he took a really difficult urban mire led team Last year and and really turned it around they had the same people for the most part Now they added some pieces in free agency christian kirk some free agent stuff like that But like what he was able to do it's it's a direct reflection on him and the staff that he built Right, you've talked to these head coaches and they say and I ask them and people say all the time What's the best thing you can do as a head coach hire an amazing staff because your staff is the one That's injecting the culture Daily into your players into your position players and you take it position by position and it grows Offense defense special teams it grows into one and I thought Doug did a really good job of that Yeah, and they had that down of course think shanahan has that and I was out with you know without ryan He's you know, I'm fran. You look at san fran. Yeah, I mean it's like one of the better teams in the league You mentioned the chargers and them being a great culture place. What happened then last year? I will come on injuries Injuries really 100% this is not excuses. You look at michael alan or mike williams and keenan alan And just what they meant to that team. I mean they played two games three games Maybe together the entire year and that was the big that was a big thing about the chargers forever and in 2021 My first year there. We were extremely healthy. We just couldn't really get over the hump Um, but last year, I mean you look at the last seven eight games are defense the defense I say our divins. I'm not on the team. They're defense. You might be again. Who knows you gotta create you here, baby But you look at those last seven eight games and they really started playing ball like brandon staley Coached and hoped that they would but we didn't have joey bosa.  Those are the two worst come and I was on the wrong end of it So like I've seen some crape. I was on the minnesota miracle wrong into that. I've had some What are we doing but anyway, it's just it's it's all about culture in the nfl and that culture is right And your players your superstar players buy in yeah like the chargers have the chargers players have Sure, but I mean that playoff loss brandon staley got a lot of grief for that from the outside And i'm sure from that locker room. Yeah culture has he's gonna have to pick everybody up off than that right now Well, I think a lot of that had to do with um in week 17 playing starters when it was already You know said that hey, we were going to go to jacksville But I get what he said and you saw michael williams come out yesterday like hey, I trust coach I try and it that's how I didn't see that he said he said listen It was his first media availability since he broke us back that game and he and I read it on the way up here He said he said pretty much like we trust our coach like we get paid to play football We wanted to play and I agree with that but at the same time Like that locker room they trust it like staley has the locker room. He has not even remotely lost the locker room They believe in him to lesko believes in them Everyone believes in them and and if you have everyone believing in them I think they're going to make some if they can stay healthy It's it's a scary roster like up and down the roster. It's pretty scary. Justin herbert believe in him Yeah, yeah, I mean he does he does and and I think he's excited about kelin more coming in for the first year The left yeah, I mean me and kelin or like we were playing ball at the same time like he's my age and he's But you know offensive coordinator you look at his offense the last five years It's like top six in the league every single year. So they're going to score points It's just can their defense can their defense chase. This is not lip service You are not you are not just saying it like I'm sitting here three feet from you. You are you believe in it chargers Yeah, I mean I truly do I truly do because you look at the roster up and down It's one of the most talented top two or three rosters has been for the past It has been can they take the next step? Can they have a playoff when can they go make a deep playoff run? The afc is loaded. Yeah, well loaded. Okay, but shan peyton. You just got to get into the tournament shan peyton in the division Now he's there. Now look at him. Look at russell wilson. How's that going to go?  They're going to be that again this year Now it's going to be the saint's offense. It's going to be the chargers offense So how well is he going to Install it how well is he going to pick it up in terms of russell wilson, right? Like russell and drew have some similarities. Of course, they're both six feet But they're they're they're insatiable appetite for like competing Both of those guys is what I just draw from that and that is what shan wants Like shan is going to get the absolute most out of them. I think obviously russell's year last year It's been talked about what he was able to do last year He was hurt. He was injured. He's healthy. They said he's shadowed 12 to 14 pounds I don't know what that's going to do with it's a huge storyline. I don't know what that's going to do with his play Everyone wants to talk about it. What I'm interested about is like Can you run the ball early in the year to get russell really comfortable because the offense is very very Sounds like they should add a running back that might be on the market. I'm just saying dalvin Do you think they should I don't know if they have the money.  I can't believe it a guy Talk about being injured. He was injured to most of last year Loudly, he also had the shoulder situation. He can't exactly be this power running back And then he had literally no room to run on most plays and most runs last year with that offense I don't I don't get the whole point of like cutting a guy who's not making a huge salary But you have alexander madison, but like you need a one-two punch in this league Like yeah, like it's just you have to have it dalvin wants to go to a winner and he's going to get He's going to get between, you know six to ten million probably I don't know if it's a multi-year or not, but it's all about this these running You talk about the running back marker right now. It's it's at the very bottom you talk about It's not the money. It's the structure of the deal How is this deal structured? How is it going to get paid out? And that's big for him He doesn't want to take an under market deal because he ruins it for everyone. That's already low Everyone behind it and and I'm sure he wants a little bit extra time. Maybe maybe middle of training camp. He's a vet That's interesting.  Uh, take a sip of water making you talk quite a lot I mean, we pour a thing over here.  We are seeing this change, right? We are seeing quarterbacks like baker mayfield and kyla murray and bryce young get drafted number one overall so what percentage of you is glad that this percentage that this is finally shifting and Be honest with me like what percentage is a little upset that It didn't happen while you were playing. Yeah, well, my my whole thing about quarterbacks is if you can play you can play I don't care how tall you are. I don't care how short you are in fact They there's lots of studies in I've read a bunch of them where they say actually like six seven and over is bad So like they're saying six seven six six to six foot I mean you look at the history of the game six seven quarterbacks There's not a lot and you look at the game six foot and under now you're seeing that change is hey NFL offenses are moving toward college offenses and and they're sort of commingling And so that is what's able for these guys that are short guys to be able to really take the next step in the nfl game Now size doesn't matter you move. I was a part of I was a teammate with drew breeze for five years. He was the best I've ever seen He's six foot at moving slightly to find a hole in the pocket to throw Right, it's not like you're throwing over these guys. Justin Herbert. He gets balls batted down at the line Because he's not you know Everyone does it but these six foot guys have to be really good at sliding left and right in the pocket So it is cool to see these six foot five ten Bryce young kylin murray can Bryce young move and find that hole in the pocket I mean everything we've seen at Bama. He was never rushed. He was he's offensive He was barely touched but when he did need to get out of the pocket. He was the smoothest guy I've seen out of the draft class just sliding getting out of the pocket I I thought all along, you know, there was hearsay here left and right about is he going to be drafted or more? I mean it was always going to be Bryce young for carolina not even close I'm not worried necessarily about His height his height doesn't matter now. He looks fragile on film And what I mean by that he looks like he weighed in like 190 195 when the stresses of the season get in and you're barely eating and you're working out every day Is he gonna be above 180? That's what I'm worried about. I'm not worried about his height I'm worried about his weight. Can he sustain these massive human beings? He needs to pick up those 12 pounds from Russell Wilson. Yeah Just switch them up switch them up a little bit. So I I am glad the perception's changed And I'm not gonna lie and sit here and say that when I wasn't drafted even at all like it heard a little But also like hey, I'm my agent was like you're just not tall enough And now it's like that's not the case. So I'm glad the perception's changing But also I had to work and fight and scratch and claw for every single thing that I've had like in my nfl career And so I wouldn't change it at all. Like it's left a chip on my shoulder To say hey, I always have to be in proven mode and that's sort of how all nfl quarterbacks have to be in the national League like you have to be in proven mode. Yeah Constantly that's really really well said I want to ask you about a couple nfl storylines because you are an analyst you're doing it while you play I mean you did it last year for nfl media, which is amazing And that's a job that a lot of guys around the league would love to have and you you had it and We're breaking things down and hopefully seeing it from a little bit different of a vantage point taking a step back This defund digs thing in april. There were some weird tweets. I didn't like it. Asked shama koi about it He's like there's nothing to it. And then of course this sort of happens and there's something weird, right? There's something to it There's something to it. So you're hearing shama german at the top of the show By the way, he said a couple days ago very concerning very concerning very concerned. That's that's to me like I don't know why he said that Where I get everything and he said very concerned and then he flips the switch and said it's ended I'm like Wait, what? But maybe it did But but you as a head coach, you know what you're doing. Yeah, it was weird You go in front of the media and shama german is amazing one of the top five favorite coaches out there Like just a solid human being but when you go from saying very concerned one day Stefan digs is at physicals. He's at meetings, but he doesn't show up at practice They had to blow up whatever that happens. I get it. But then you come on the media He says he's very concerned and then the next day like hey, he's back in the building everything's all good And then they cancel their Wednesday practice, right? Which is that that to me is like It's an interesting timeline of events and I thought mitch morris said it perfectly. Yes, you're like, hey like I love Stefan digs I gotta come out here and do my job, you know and and I want Stefan and everyone to be the happiest version of themselves He's one of he's he's one of the best teammates. I've been around I also think that they're working through it I think they're they're doing the thing that they're supposed to do which is have possibly uncomfortable conversations have some Have some candidness which can be hard at times But in the end you appreciate it and you work out whether any facet of life. So To answer your question, I don't totally know what's going on. So I can't answer it But I'm sure it'll work itself out one way or another I hadn't seen that yet. Why is this playing out so publicly? It's just a weird. Yeah, well because What happened after the loss obviously the playoff loss last year in the snow Yeah in the snow and then obviously like there's been something There's something up and it's something that listen Stefan everything I've heard about him is is he's awesome He's a competitor. It's probably the competitor in him coming out But I also agree with what the former tiger Mitch Morris said I mean mazu great there is like, hey, like everyone else has stuff to do Like you got to get in josh ellen's working on it. Stefan digs is working on it Yeah, it was an honest answer and and you you can appreciate that but at the end of the day like Everyone's like, hey, it's done. It's done. It seems like a lot of people are getting to his agent and putting it out to the media Like just drop it. Let's not do it. We're going to summer. Let's not make it a thing But there's something to be said about like what's going on. I don't think it's a huge deal It's hard to speculate like Mitch said but something something else is going on right now Is the time that like teams should be hard like coaches should be harping on like don't do anything Like don't you don't you guys realize we have nothing to talk about?  We have been walking around a barren desert since february Just looking for scraps like vultures and hyenas don't give it to us Don't this this is probably a nothing and but there's nothing so we're all literally like when chum lands in the water like Let's go get it and like crush it and pull it under and eat something And so like that would be my advice and that's probably what this is But it is interesting If it creeps up again, which it might because the playoff stuff is going to happen for the bills We hope so but you've been you've been around stars. I mean Devondex is a bona fide star We saw him become a star with many miracle. I will never forget that in my entire life. Well, I was on the sideline.  What is the key to those quarterback receiver relationships? Well, it You know it starts in the off season It starts now because you have so much more time. You're you're you're almost at like a Eight to two p.m. Job every day So your only job is to go work out have meetings bill relationships And the good and the great relationships between quarterbacks receivers They're throwing on the side in the off season They're spending time together in the off season They're not saying that everyone is right because a lot of guys come June 15th today is like the day that everyone disperses And these head coaches like you were saying hope that Nothing happens in the off season that gets on media But what's you see more and more quarterbacks star quarterbacks star receivers doing or they get they're getting together for these pre training camp throwing sessions and that's awesome that that helps build camaraderie That shows you that you're both on the same page. So when you go into training camp It's not going to be like hey, we're not on the same page But there's a lot that goes into this right like you're grown men Everyone has their own stuff to do to quote mitch morris again But can you get on the same page and and what are you willing to give up because everyone has something to do Are you willing to give up and sacrifice? What are you willing to give up and sacrifice to be really really good in this league? Because the only way you get that way is through repetition And by growing as a player by growing as as inevitably something's going to happen Right, or inevitably somebody's going to get their feelings So they're not getting the bodies of personalities or millionaires or whatever So I guess I would just say have you ever you know, do you have to love your quarterback? Do you have to be travis kelsey in the homes or can you be? Yeah, if you want the ball You were never and you've been in so many locker rooms You've never been in a locker room where like the wide receiver one or two doesn't love the quarterback or a mutual And and it worked never it has to be I'm sure there are some situations like that random marshal jay cutler comes to Yeah, but also like I mean there's big personalities like you said you said it so well There's big personalities around the league, but for every locker room that I've been in which has been a lot through 14 years It's like hey these receivers and these quarterbacks. They're on the same page because Listen, no one's getting paid if y'all aren't on the same page if this quarterback If you're the number one receiver and you're not meshing with the quarterback Hey, you're not getting if you're the quarterback and you're not meshing with your receivers You're not getting paid either. So it's work it out gentlemen work it out. Yeah, it's it's a growing men's sport We're gonna take a short break here. Finally, jeez. We'll be long a segment ever We'll be back with chase daniel and uh, we gotta talk to you a little bit more about herber But hamlin will be here hammer proud dad over there. Just watching this happen. We'll be back Grab a slice of jakespheres Go through the lawn. Oh, maybe turn around and get some butchers and mazoo We've got chase daniel here in studio as some of you know matt hamilton also A mazoo graduate and he was a student coach with him in the rest of the quarterbacks at Missouri Do we have photos? Look, it's you too. Oh, no beard. Look a hammer in the background. No beer. Come on. That doesn't look like a hammer I doesn't even look like the k.u. Game the k.u. That was that was awesome. Oh my gosh Was that after a night at harpos? Oh, I think those had uh, big chunks. Look at the flavor saver. What are we doing? The flavor saver I'm so glad my wife got me to grow a beer. That was before you got that hardy collection. Yes.   I totally agree. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it Chase uh, justin herbert. We want to talk about it. He's in the middle of contract negotiations We got to talk to him at super bowl.  I'm drew breeze take us inside the film show us guys Does justin belong in that top tier of qbs that you know so well I mean, I totally totally agree and i'm not just biased because i've been there But just what he's been able to do Not only off the field for that team but on the on the field for the team. This is Week three against jacksonville. All right. We're in an empty set. We're getting the break speed off of us He doesn't need to be playing right now It's third and 15 and what we have here is a little bit of show of his arm strength right now They're in too deep safeties and they're man underneath this play is not meant for this You're going to see jaylon geighton in the slot right here go up run a post Justin sees the field safety get off the hash To go cover josh palmer down here and what does justin do buy some time? He throws it off a foot and it's like a 62 To 65 yard dime I mean the the crazy thing about this is this play is not made for man coverage, but he makes some time He's off a foot. He just like slings it with a rib injury with a rib injury by the way He is like cracked ribs. How bad were the injuries? It was horrible. It was horrible I mean it he would never say it publicly, but he struggled with it But he he missed one snap all year long. You're gonna look at this fourth and 12 game on the line This is a play-in game two years ago 2021 against raiders two man coverage again. Nope It's coming down and we like to call this guy a robber. Why is it a robber? He robs the middle of the field He's looking at keenan allen in the slot right there. Of course they double keenan But i'm okay dude, but they only rush three people here Steps up and out. This is fourth and 12. This is not like first and 10 throws it in a place where only Keenan allen can get it.  I think we're gonna see it come out It's it's gonna be a high number. Yeah, and the other thing too that I love It's not just the special things that you can do athletically and the arm strength I don't think he gets enough credit for his processing and the stuff He does within the confines of the play in the pocket. Check this out also against the raiders You're gonna have a little drag dig combo here at the bottom skinny post from deandre carter in the slot And the raiders are disguising this coverage to try to trick him here They got the safety walk down. He's going to drop back. They're playing a tampa two look Herbert deciphers it immediately. He knows where he wants to go with this football He wants to go to jean drake carter on the skinny post and you'll see he's going to put this ball Perfectly in between these three defenders on a rope and protect carter from the linebacker divine He's dropping in the middle of the field too and you'll see it really from this angle the trajectory of this start Just an absolute rope a laser and you can't place it any better than that because your text is receiver from the hit This is special stuff and again, we get so wowed by the athletic stuff This is the stuff you have to do consistently to be a great quarterback in this league And we see it from him snap after snap. Yeah, and honestly that route was supposed to be a corner route Really? Yes. And so what they got on the page before the game is hey, if it's too high tampa two Like you said, let's just take a post. Let's take a skinny post deandre carter was awesome for us Not only to run game last year, but stepped up with some big injuries to keen and allen Yeah, and and and again to see that to see that that safety is going to drop and make that adjustment on the fly That makes it even more special to those lasers you like. Oh, yeah Herbert has 102 total touchdowns in his first three seasons, you know, I'm a numbers girl That's more than any quarterback in nfl history. That's breaking down marino's previous record off the field I've heard I'm an inch of her and if people don't think I am I I really am no I like to recharge. I like seriously.  They want the same guy if you're introverted be introverted If you're extroverted if you're a personality if you want to lead by Like by yelling and scream do that. Yeah, and there are guys like that pat my homes is like that But you're saying Justin Herbert works that team has is in his hands. Absolutely. I mean, look at what he's done He breaks mid like first of all like there's a difference between not actually performing on the field Not putting up stats not actually doing what you say you're gonna do But when he does it and he does it at a rate that's the best in nfl history like come on guys Yeah, there we go. That's all you have. I know I just see is this tape.   We fell in love with nba first basket bets here And uh, we have a couple guys in our production staff not me and they did their thing and they won And what did they win when they called the first basket a full minute of airtime not quite a full minute Eric would go for it You hit it. All right. I hit it with bam I'm on the clock right now and I just want to talk about why I don't like the mlb pitch clock And the reason I don't like it is because as a lifelong brewers fan It is stealing my time from mr.  I don't think we're dating now because I don't think you're why I'm listening to brewers game Go on. Don't let the internet talk. All right. There we go. Uh, you know as a brewers fan There's nothing we love more than hearing bob yooker talk about putting cedar crest ice cream on a bratwurst, you know Like is it worth taking 30 minutes off the game to miss out on stories of bob yooker getting pissed drunk with Harry carry at a knight's of columbus charity auction. I don't think so. Okay I don't want 30 less minutes of baseball. I'm missing a story about bob yooker drinking grasshoppers with telly Telly so it's savalas And you know bob hope at the smokehouse in burbank. Okay, I don't like this pitch clock We need to get up get out of here and be gone with it I thought you were reading a script very impressed. Who's next hamilton go Okay, I can't believe you left Tom Brady for Eric, but um, I want to do something in the spirit of father's day Today first of all happy father's day to my dad, but I found out something about a show dad that you may not know Brian's father kirk barton was a quarterback at the university of buffalo Let's bring up the picture Happy father's day to kirk And wait if you want to understand why brian is the way he is Listen to this quote after they canceled buffalo's football program in 1970 He was asked about transferring to play somewhere else and he said I can't for the life of me think anyone would put up money for me to go somewhere else when I have a bum knee And only one year of eligibility left way to sell yourself kirk Happy father's day to all the dads out there. All right, let's go to Conrad parts sites parts on melvin. What's that? All right. Okay. 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Thanks for attending this workshop on detecting Imzi catchers and other mobile network attacks I'm I'm happy that you're here. I didn't expect that many people to to have interest in the topic We will Present three common attack scenarios that are to you and Actually, we want to explain how we Do detect them with an application that this team has built and we also want to make this as hands-on as possible, but also as Simple as possible. So we'll do a short intro I will be the idiot that that does the very very basic explanations and then we'll go over to Luca who is the the mastermind of all Mobile network research in our team He will explain the detection logic and then we'll move over to Dexter who is the the engineer of analysis and implementation and demonstration there will be a little demonstration Some of you may have noticed the demonstration already So we will start with the very very simple stuff and then we will dig down to the to the network level and I hope that we That we don't lose too many people along the way And if there are still any open questions afterwards, we're very happy to be Contacted and asked and we'll try to discuss whatever you want to discuss with us So one person I haven't introduced is Jakob. Jakob is the lead developer of the little Android application that we have built This Android application does all these detection logics that we're trying to present here and you can download it for your Compatible Android phone if it has a Qualcomm baseband It's called snoop snitch and this workshop is basically gonna focus on what snoop snitch does does and how it does it Okay, so you don't see the slide so I would just read them out to you This is the introduction part in which I show some material that was leaked I think on wiki leaks and is now available on buck planet and shows the attack tools and Equipment that have been available for years now to law enforcement agencies and anybody who wants to buy Equipment that allows them to track and intercept mobile phones and This was just the introductory part to show you how small these devices have now become they put them in vehicles You know, they're very convenient setups for demonstrations when you want to intercept or track people at demonstrations But you can also wear them as a vest I don't know. I think that's more of a James Bond thing But there can be a body worn in the catcher and they are now already as Small as phones, right? So they used to be much bigger setups like the one we have built here But now in the catchers are really cheap really small and also by now very cheap to get So this attack scenario is becoming more and more realistic And a threat to you as well So that's why we've built snoop snitch an open-source application for Android that should help you to detect these The three attack scenarios that we're trying to explain today is a location tracking emsy catcher Which is a machine that just detects that you are there the intercept fake base station so an emsy catcher that actually allows to intercept your calls and transactions and The so-called silent SMS of which many of you may have heard already so let's start with the Location tracking emsy catcher and Even I can't see the slide so I think I don't even need to flip through them anymore But I need them as a cheat cheat. So a location tracking emsy catcher basically is a network cell that Advertises the signal that your phone is expecting and Waits for your phone to connect to it at that point it will simply ask you for Identification so it will collect your emsy and your IME I which is a unique identifier for you in the network and For your phone as a network device and will then send you away again So that's as much as I have understood of it and I'm looking forward to have Luca explain it in detail now Yeah, exactly like Lino said The idea is that you want to collect the identity. There is a permanent unique identifier of the user Over the phone of the mobile in case you need it for attacks Like if you want to know if it's an iPhone or a blackberry or Android you can know that and there are also other Little details in the in the procedure that is displayed There are for example, you can know in which network the user work was currently connected to and which temporary identifier he was using so you can You can track the user after that also The main purpose is just to collect your identity and you will never notice about those those devices except if you are running Snopesage, of course and You should have noticed some of you because I don't know if our antenna can reach you Some of you might have received some some message. I Don't know if this happened Okay That was our image a catcher so we are proving you that we collected your Imzi and You you notice because we are sending you an SMS, but this would be completely silent and How do we detect this how do we plan to detect this you know skin can we go? Okay, so still you probably cannot see it Our our logic has many criterias that work in parallel that make the The detection more reliable because otherwise We did we know from our measurements that it's not always Reliable if you only choose one criteria and we have many criterias there that we are using So for example first of all we check if a location update was rejected a location update is something that happens when you move from one cell to another one and The the imzi catcher that we are using is faking a cell that didn't exist before so you are actually moving there and Your phone can know that is moving to a new cell and if the cell Says no, I don't want you you can say this is not good And also you can say you can see if the network was asking for your identities if the network doesn't do authentication if the network doesn't do ciphering and and we have such such Criteria is all in parallel and they multiply into a score and this score is saying basically how likely you have been caught in an imzi catcher Not only for the location update We find some evidence We also have some permanent evidence in the cell parameters that are set in the broadcast information of this cell and they can be Custom teller to to catch you faster for example so the choice of a Location area that was not used before makes it faster. You could also use a real location area, but it really takes longer You can check if that location area was used in some other place of your country, for example, that would be suspicious if that frequency was used before by another cell ID that's also a tricky thing to to check but we are trying to do that and Yeah, other parameters in the broadcast can be Can be set not like the network does normally so for example Not having neighbors a cell that doesn't have neighbors is pretty strange and in our case we are we are setting some some parameters that are out of normal and You will be able to to see all all of this in in what Dexter will show next that is actually The the radio traces that we can record with snub snitch So I'm not sure you will actually be able to see it, but oh, yeah Now I have to press the button, but you don't see anything That's maybe a good idea when you do that Yeah Go to some extent Yeah, where does the picture stay? That would now be Interesting question Scaling type I don't know what I'm going to say This is also my my primary picture. I'm like right away. I can pull it out again and then I open my control center Yeah, so I guess even if this works you will not be able to see the small Digis on the screen You might be able to see them when we release the slides, but so yeah to to fill the this this awkward moment We all the traces that we that we're going to discuss here We have also uploaded to our repository so you can download them. These are wire shark Traces that you can open in wire shark and you can see Exactly with the little instruction manual that we've created for you as well You can see when which message is sent and in which GSM frame the phone actually jumps to the cell When it is rejected and you can see the difference of a legitimate location request and one that is being rejected after the phone is Asked for the IMZ and the IME I so this is what we were trying to show here now I think we will be forced to to skip that unless Unless the thunderstorm hits and the Sun goes down so The training material I'll show you the link at the end of the presentation And you can do all this at home as well And that's of course the the main part of a workshop that you that you get some hands-on things to do And that's why we've prepared the training material Shall we head on? Yeah, so maybe we we just give two lines of what you can see the traces as Leo said previously All the sequence of messages and you can dig into every single detail that that we crafted for making the IMZ catcher more effective For example setting some timers There is a timer that is used by the network to tell to your mobile how many times does it have to do this update? so your mobile will Talk to the network every let's say three hours and say to the network. I'm here. I'm here I'm here, and you can change it that you can say tell me your position every six minutes for example That would be a bit suspicious other parameters you can change some Radio offsets so that your mobile would prefer our cell rather than all the surrounding ones As I said the neighbor configuration if you can check all of this in the in the trace Yeah We can probably Okay, so we've we've now tried to discuss the location tracking IMZ catcher that tries to collect your identity information and then get rid of you and As you may have noticed This this IMZ catcher has a design problem Which is as long as you're connected to the IMZ catcher you won't be able to Receive or place any transaction so you can't receive SMS if you can't receive calls and you can't call anybody and of course the attackers If they provide service to you, they're not going to give it to you for free in get actually They are going to give it to you for free in this case But they also want to make sure they can intercept you and this is where the the next type of IMZ catcher comes into play which is Not really only an IMZ catcher but a device that Downgrades your encryption and make sure that your your transactions can be intercepted So here we have the standard call flow what you can't see now is the standard call flow When a phone connects to a well-configured network, so when it connects to a Well-configured network it would say okay, here's a location update request I would like to connect to you and then the network would usually say in a well-configured network. Well, I Require authentication prove your identity. I want to know if I even want you here You may be a user of a different network, so I want to make sure that you are that I want you here So the mobile phone authenticates there is a Response a challenge response procedure there that is based on the IMZ on the keys that are in the sim And by then by that time the network knows, okay, this is a legitimate user And in an even better configured network You would then have the ciphering mode command so that all transactions are encrypted and everything is fine And then the location update is accepted in an intercepting fake base station You don't have the authentication part because the phone the the network the fake network is not able to do the authentication And it's also not able to do encryption. In fact, it doesn't even want to do encryption So you would connect you do you would do your location update request and say hello I would like to connect to the cell the cell says well, that's beautiful. Just tell me you I me I yes Here's my I me I Beautiful what can I have your IMZ as well? Yes, and then the network says beautiful You're now connected to me and it doesn't reject you and Then when you want to do a call so you do the CM service request message the network would say fine fine Let's go ahead. We can do this with the little Difference that none of the transactions are encrypted so that the cell that is providing the service Can intercept everything that you're talking about Yes, that's that's the case that that you are seeing now So we are we are keeping the users that we we hijacked into our cell and We are sending an SMS of course unencrypted you could even try to call somebody I don't know if this works because yeah, it shouldn't work The the catch here is that okay no encryption that's easy to detect if you if you Would see the traces later. You will see that that message is missing. So no cyphering authentication. Yes, that's something that can be can be possibly fake Depends there are three cases. So you could as a fake BTS you could say no authentication authentication type GSM and you can fake that because in fact you are just sending a random sequence and the mobile is answering with another sequence And you don't care about the response a real network would care about the response But you don't care and then there is a third case that is a mutual authentication that is used only for your MTS compact my mic okay, and In that case, it's a bit more difficult to fake So that that case is not present in in cicatures that that for example the one that we simulate Can we see the the slide the my slide Yeah, so as well as before we have some critters that that are working in parallel We have some analysis that works on the transactions So calls and SMS that you try to send or receive and and there is some other logic that Looks at the parameters of the network that are just announced by the by the cell Something that can happen in in this type of Imzi catcher is that not only you are still connected to this catcher, but the the the person that operates the catcher can Try to locate you precisely establishing a silent call a silent call is like a call But there is no caller ID So your mobile doesn't display anything on on on your screen But there is actually a call going on and this helps who who wants to track you to use a directional antenna and Move it until they find the source of the strong strong sealant that you are sending This is also detected by our application of course Sometimes the network does that And for a mistake so in case you are paged because there is a call that was supposed to go to you But then the caller just hang up and then the network takes some time to to hang up your your Conversation and there was actually no call. So we have to be a bit careful there but we have some logic that should work and So if a channel is allocated to you and really nothing was sent from the network. We think that this is very weird Other things we can say from the from the broadcast We can see that this This cell is not advertising neighbors So that you will never search for neighbors and you will think that this is the only cell that is in this area And you will keep your your attention on on this on this cell and will never lose it Other things the registration time that I was mentioning before I think we said it to to the minimum So six minutes you will continuously Try to talk to us and we we will be updated on on your presence or not and We use some some tricks for for keeping your mobile here Changing the the perceived signal level so the reselect offset all of this is All summed up and then if we if we reach a score that we think is is relevant then we will show an alert in your in your application saying this can be names the catcher and I don't know if you are running any of you the snoopsage right now You might have I mean Jacob was was just running it and he found the alert These alerts are as I said there's a score the score goes from zero to At least 11 and there is no limit and If you detect something and the score is around three you Might be detecting some just some normal anomalies of the network. Let's say but We will see that with our configuration you will get a much higher score and that's the real catcher evidence I Think the logic was was described Would be nice to see the details so in the trace that Dexter has there you can see All the messages that are not sent or that there are sent And all the parameters that that I talked about about the cell broadcast Yeah, so something tricky for example is to set the correct location area So here I didn't check before but there can be let's say three location areas that are surrounding our our camp and We choose one location area that is actually not used in the camp so that you are attracted to this location area and You could easily say looking at the the history of your mobile that that's that's a Single occurrence of that location area. There is a single cell single location area and you can say Okay, either. I'm just entering a new location area or this could be an easy catcher So this is part of our our logic there Yeah, so this is what what it regarded what regards the the Imzi catcher that is able to track you. Sorry to keep you and Yeah No, no chance of seeing it. Well, yeah, okay We've proceeded with the next scenario So I think we should mention So the Imzi catcher that we're running here is Targeting users that are in the camp network. So we're not intercepting or tracking on any of the standard mobile networks Because we don't we think the legal trouble we're in with this is already big enough So In order to receive the SMS or to test your snoop stitch phone You would have you would need to run on the camp network sim card and have a camp network number Who has one here? so Okay, so there's many and who of you has received the SMS that notifies you of your I am as I Okay, beautiful. So Those were the ones that are caught if you now have an Android phone You may try to install the snoop stitch app and Operate the phone again and it should alert you of what has happened to you. It will alert you Yeah, so I I know that because I was I was testing the catcher before and Apparently since the signal of real network is so weak your mobile is constantly constantly looking for a network And it thinks that this is a this is actually a foreign network And it tries to to to connect there and in this current setup. We are not really rejecting you so it can happen Okay, let's let's get to the to the third attack scenario that that does that doesn't really require an Active equipment on site and that's the silent SMS and silent SMS are a very interesting concept because they they only Became so popular with law enforcement Because of the legal regulations that forbid what silent SMS are doing so silent SMS are a means to to track your location at all times and the law enforcement agencies can't really request the location data from From users as long as they're not doing transactions. So the idea was born to just Initiate transactions to your phone all the time and then later Collect your transaction records because that's something law enforcement can do. So they just sent you SMS that your phone doesn't display and At the end of the month just collect your call records and with the call records They can collect from which cell you were being served. So that helps them to collect where you've been at the time And that is a very commonly used Technique our friend Andre over there regularly reports on on the use of and use and abuse of this technology In German in Germany, and I think the numbers of silent SMS that are being sent are increasing yearly And of course this is just a standard behavior by the phone not to display the message the phone just does what it's had has what It has been programmed to do But with the low-level access that snoop snitch snoop snitch has to the baseband it will see these messages and alert you about them So there are three Parameters to it to an SMS message that help you identify a silent SMS and Luca is going to present them to you now yeah, there are there are many parameters that are encapsulated in in the radio message that carries your your text and some of them are Very old like they were just defining the standard and not very commonly used But they have a lot of power for example. There is a protocol identifier that says to your mobile Please discard this message Or please receive the message send me a knock and discard and the same applies For the DCS the DCS has another role. It was Designed to set an icon on your screen that says you have voicemail and there is of course another command that says these disable the icon on your screen that says you have voicemail and of course you don't have a voicemail so We can send this message anytime and you will never see anything on your screen and It's an SMS that will never be displayed A third possibility is to use Port addressing this is something not common So when you are sending SMS, you will never use this feature, but there is this feature in the standard This this feature is used for example by I messages all the I stuff voicemail Other application that are running on your on your mobile and they use a specific Port addressing like the internet ports, let's say and if you use such an addressing to a port that doesn't exist Your mobile doesn't know what to do with that and it discards the message So you can use one of those ports as well to to make an SMS invisible We look for those values. It's a bit difficult to I mean we could say all these combinations are a silent SMS, but that's not actually true and We we put some effort in detecting the most common configurations that are used by operators to send you voicemail or the Apple stuff Or there is another category. There is binary SMS that the network send you for updating something on your sim card. Let's say your Your favorite roaming partners. So what would a sim card would connect if you go abroad? That's something that the network can do and it's completely invisible to you so we detect all of them and we try to analyze if they are supposed to happen or not and Do you have the other yeah, I wanted okay These are the services that I mentioned before so all the Apple services. What's up as well does that? There is some what push so when you connect for the first time a sim card with a new mobile The network usually sends you a configuration message to set up your internet settings for example That's the binary SMS. There is not visualized as a normal text But of course you will get some alerts like ah, your network wants you to set these parameters. Would you accept? Yes, but there are other types that are not visualized So this is what is inside snub snatch there are three main criteria so PID DCS and port address they are implemented and tested let's say and There are other options that we we are thinking of implementing that are more difficult actually to to test and to Make reliable so for example you could check that who sends you the SMS is sending you the SMS through your SMS gateway the SMS gateway of your mobile operator and you could check if The SMS comes from another one that shouldn't happen But we cannot ask you for that number. It's a bit complex for a user to know in advance What is the SMS see but we will try to implement this in in the in the next versions? Another thing that we could do is inspect the payload. So the the content of your message Usually silent SMS are have no content. So length zero. That's very suspicious. I would say but they can also have some Unreadable texts. So for example I don't know Chinese characters that are not displayable Or other binary payload that is not usually displayed by the phone and So there is there is some space for investigation there and another thing we should do is Trying to understand if you receive such voicemail a notification after you actually missed a call That's a bit complex. We will we will try to see if we can do that that would help to to limit the false positives that We might detect in some countries for example in Germany this doesn't happen frequently but in the US Operators usually send you this Voicemail notification and that causes some false positives. We will try to to avoid this Did any of you Tried snups it before Yeah, okay. Good. Yeah, we want to to know from you if you ever detected such events Or if you maybe already just submitted something to our Website and we will do some some analysis with you if you if you want And it's it's important if you if you want to understand this you can you can see this in the traces that Dexter produced and We will be released together with the with the slides Okay, as we had to skip the major part of the workshop We have come to an end of the slide deck and I suggest we now just move over into the shade And those of you who are interested are welcome to join us in a looking at the catcher setup that Dexter has built and also look at the detection routines that We wanted to show you here so we can do we can deep dive now into the into detection algorithms And I suggest we just do that in a smaller group in the shade because honestly, it's quite hot up here still So thanks for for the main presentation and please join us in the in the smaller workshop group now


What is up guys, look at the flames here, classic. Oh no. Oh, the microwave's not on. I didn't have it. I almost fell without the mic. What is up guys, Karma Medic here and welcome back to another dose. Welcome back to episode two of cooking with Karma Medic. Last time we made a quinoa dish with a lot of meat and vegetables all in one big pan. Today we're gonna be using the oven which is arguably even more efficient, has less things to clean up when you're done and is probably even a better use of your time when cooking and meal prepping. So if you don't know who I am, my name is Nasser. I'm now a third year medical student studying at King's College London. And if you're in university as well, you'll know that you feel like you barely have any time to cook. And that's why when I'm cooking, I focus on maximizing my efficiency, maximizing the amount of food that I cook for the amount of time that I spend cooking. And so that's what my cooking philosophy is all about. So for today's episode, we're gonna be cooking chicken with potatoes and a ton of vegetables all in the oven. It's gonna be a really easy and quick meal to do. So follow me along and I hope you guys enjoy. So most of the time for cooking this meal is gonna be in the prep of cutting up the vegetables and cutting up the potatoes. So let's get started with that. All right, so for the vegetables today, we're gonna be doing a lot of broccoli. It's one of my favorite vegetables, highly nutritious, has a good crunchy texture. We're also gonna be cutting up some bell peppers. So I like to use all the colors yellow, red and then also green, a little bit of asparagus as well. And then finally slice up a lemon just to give it that extra zest. At this point, I'm gonna take the chicken thighs out of the fridge. They've been defrosting for quite some time now. The last vegetable we're gonna need is some onion. You might as well do the same things at the same time. That's always gonna increase your efficiency. So we might as well wash our potatoes at the same time that we wash all our vegetables. So here on the Karma Medic channel, I like to promote efficiency as much as I can. So we're gonna use the least amount of utensils as possible, the least amount of cooking things as possible. I'm gonna prepare all of my pans, throw in some baking paper. Now it's time to cut up the vegetables. All right, so let's start off with the broccoli. This is probably the easiest vegetable to take care of, because once you've washed it, all you have to do is break off the stems and they're basically ready to go. Now, when you guys are cutting up peppers, honestly, you can do it however you want. I tend to cut them in long, thin strips just because I think that's the easiest and it's the most efficient use of my time when it comes to cutting and prepping vegetables. But if you prefer to do them in circles or whatever, that's totally fine too. Just gonna grab a bowl to get all of the trash that I'm accumulating and put it somewhere. So while I'm actually cooking and prepping my meals, I don't actually care if I make a mess anywhere because I know that at the end of my cook, I'm just gonna have one, two, three minute session where I wipe down all the counters, pick up anything that fell off of the floor, and that's about it.    All right, so now that all the vegetables done, let's move on to the chicken. If you've seen my previous videos, then you'll know that I don't really like to season my food and that's just because it doesn't really make that much of a difference to me. I'm pretty sure all of my taste buds are dead, but anyways, chicken is something that I've sort of learned to season over time. So the way that I do this is actually really, really simple. I grab a Ziploc bag or one of these like sandwich bags and then I fill it up with an arbitrary amount of spices and panko crumbs. Like these, so I'm gonna put a lot. Mix it up until you have it all nice and mixed. All right, that looks pretty good to me.  So I'm gonna open up my bag with spices, take my chicken thigh and literally just throw it in there. Once it's in there, you just shake it about. Make sure that it gets all covered from all angles and sides. And there you have it. That's the easiest way to season your chicken or any other meat before you throw it in the oven. So once it's done, just take it out, plop it down on this big tray. And then move on to the next one. And since the potatoes take longer to cook than the chicken and the vegetables, I'm gonna put those in first for about an extra 10 to 15 minutes and then add the rest of the trays. Now, because I want my potatoes to come out as crispy and crunchy as possible, I'm gonna try and cut them in thin slices so that they can get cooked really well.  Also, I forgot to mention, but probably when you're cutting up all these potatoes is gonna be a good time to turn on the oven. I set the temperature to 180 degrees. That's sort of the standard temperature that you wanna be cooking chicken at for about 25 to 30 minutes. And so while this heats up right now, I'm gonna season all of these potatoes and fix my chicken tray. So for these potatoes, just like everything else that I do, I try and keep it as simple as possible. The easier and simpler it is, the more likely I am to do it and the faster I'm gonna get done with the cooking part of this process. So the only thing I do for my potatoes usually is I put olive oil, pepper and salt. You can also put on paprika or whatever else that you want, that's something that we do sometimes. I just take the olive oil and I drizzle it across in these sort of diagonal lines. Very easy, very quick. And this sort of helps the potatoes get their like sizzle on when they're in the oven. And then just a row of salting. I personally don't use salt in my food almost ever, but because my sister eats a bunch of these meals as well and she definitely loves her salt, I have to put it on. Then a quick round of pepper as well. So ideally you wanna put these potato trays in about 10 to 15 minutes before the chicken trays and that way they can get well sizzled and well crunchy as we want them. But ideally you wanna flip them halfway through. Anyway, you heard the oven beep, it's time to put these in. All right, so now that the potato trays are in the oven, I'm gonna set a quick timer on my phone for about 12, 13 minutes, so that we know when it's time to put in our chicken tray and let's start working on that. This is actually probably my favorite part of the whole cooking experience. So yeah guys, that's basically it. That is the whole tray, everything is on there, all the vegetables, all the chicken. Now it's time to put it in the oven. All right guys, so now I'm gonna put a timer on my phone for about 20 minutes, 23 minutes, something like that and then we'll come and check it and see if it's cooked enough as we like it and we can always leave it in for longer. But while the chicken's in the oven and there's basically nothing for us to do, this is a good time to clean up all the mess that you've made. So at this point I'm gonna wipe down all the counters, clean up any utensils or cutting boards that I've used along the way just so that I can save time for me in the future. So you see, it's actually really easy. The main cleaning up that you have to do with a cook like this is those big trays and yeah, that's gonna take me about five to seven minutes later over here getting rid of the grease and everything but it's minimal cleanup for the amount of food that we're making. All right guys, so the timer's gone off and it's time to check on the food. A lot of smoke is gonna come out so I might have to fan of the fire a lot but let's see. Potatoes look really, really good. All right, so look at that. Perfectly crisp golden brown potatoes. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Second tray is looking good too. Maybe use this here.  Oh, is it foggy? Yeah. So before I decide everything's ready and I start putting it into Tupperware's, I'm just gonna test one of the chickens to see if it's cooked all the way through. And the way you do this is you cut the fattest chicken, the one that's the thickest. If that's cooked, then everything else is cooked. So let's see what we can find here. This chicken looks quite big. Now right through, look at all that juicy goodness. Yummy, yummy, yummy. All right, so it looks perfectly cooked. Now we can start putting it into Tupperware's that we can portion out for the rest of the week. So we've got a bunch of Tupperware's. I'm gonna start by taking one piece of chicken and putting it in each. Yeah, basically this part is really simple. I'm just trying to spread out equally all of the food that we've cooked across the different Tupperware's. All right guys, so basically everything is finished now. We've got these trays over here to clean up later. And then we have down here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven Tupperware's food ready for the week to come. Now in the last episode of cooking with Karma Medic, one of my closest friends, Arsalan, was the guy who was tasting the food and giving you his honest opinion. Give your honest opinion.  All right, tell the people what you think. That's a good start. Good? Is it still juicy? Mm-hmm. All right, give it a quick rating out of 10. You put me on the spot here. Come on, man. I give it. Seven. All right guys, so that is it. You heard it firsthand from the horse's mouth. The food was at least a seven out of 10. Just honestly good enough for me. So from start to finish, a meal like this will usually take me between an hour, maybe an hour and five, an hour and 10 minutes. So if you think about it, it's a very little amount of time to invest in seven fully cooked meals ready for the coming week. So I hope you guys enjoyed this video. If you do wanna see any more cooking videos from me, definitely do leave a like on this video and let me know in a comment down below. I really enjoy making them and I would love to do more. I'm gonna go back to the kitchen and clean the grease off of all of those trays and I will see you in the next one. Peace. All done.


Hi, everyone. It's Monica Wahee here, giving you tips on doing data science in public health. Lately, in public health, I've noticed that they expect us to be able to analyze data coming out of applications. And a lot of times epidemiologists and biostatisticians are not familiar with that kind of data. And, maybe even worse than that, they often don't have the terminology to use to communicate about data coming from applications. That is why I made this online course called Application Basics, so that individuals trained in public health can learn about getting and analyzing data from applications. In this video, I'm going to go over some important terminology from applications, the front end and back end. Probably the most basic of components to an application are the front end and the back end. Applications usually have a data component or data that are handled by the application are stored and displayed. The data component of an application is called the back end, as designated on the right side of the slide. The reason why it is called a back end is because, well, probably like your back end and my back end, almost no one sees it. It's behind the scenes. So, unsurprisingly, the other main component to applications is the front end or the end that everyone is supposed to see, as described by the left side of the slide. The front end is designed to display data in such a way that they are easy to understand and edit. Contrast this to the back end, where data are definitely not stored in a way that are easy to understand or edit. In the back end, data are usually stored in multiple tables in an architecture that makes it easy to do queries and retrieve the data needed. Back ends are also set up to make data management easier. Applications have been designed this way since the early 1990s, with a front end and a back end that are connected, and those are the two main components. I remember running some database programs back in the 1990s. One ran on the Macintosh and was called FileMaker. FileMaker had a front end that looked like invoices or packing slips, and it had an internal back end that kept track of the data for the invoices in packing slips. Then, to back up the database, you just take a copy of your FileMaker file. Oh, those were the days. Nowadays, front ends are usually on the web, split far away from their back ends, which are in some data center or building behind some firewall somewhere. Even modern-day medical record systems like Epic look like they are using a web browser interface for a front end. And you know, if we are talking about medical records, wherever the back end data are, they are hopefully behind a fortress of cybersecurity. Continuing with the Epic example, we also can acknowledge that you can have multiple front ends per back end. Obviously, you have administrative front ends for Epic and patient front ends, like an electronic health record or EHR. So we acknowledge that the front ends have evolved since the 1990s. But what about the back ends? Well, the old back ends used to be mainframe computers. This was before the 2000s. Flat back ends are very stable databases. But they are not very flexible. They are hard to program and modify. By contrast, when technology advanced and we were able to start using structured query language or SQL for our queries, we started to be able to build more flexible databases in normal form. As I said, this technological turning point was in about the 2000s. Now, after 2000 and SQL and normal form started, it was much easier to take copies of the data. That led to SQL programmers making a lot of redundant data in their data structures, which is fine, but can lead to confusion. So I want to teach you about this important concept in databaseing, which is the concept of the live data. There's only one place in the back end where the data are live, meaning that they are being updated constantly as the system changes.  Well, in SQL and normal form, there would be a table in the back end saving the data you entered. That's the live data. Everything else is not live.  Let's think about what the front end and back end for a ride sharing app might look like. I made this diagram to help us understand what is going on. Let's start on the right side of the diagram. We have riders using the app and we have drivers using the app. The app is their front end. As you can see, I'm imagining that they are accessing both the front and back end over the internet from the company facility. See the two big data stores in the facility? On the top, we have the live data transactions. This stores the customer data and the geographic data and all the cost data. But below that, we have the application server. That's where the front end is located. And the front end has its own data to deal with. Basically images for buttons and values that it is passing through the app to make it work. I also included a co-location facility on the way left of the slide. See how we have a backup and a failover server. That's basically a mirror of the live data. Also, if you think about ride sharing, there will be a lot of history. Probably they want to archive that history at the co-location facility so they could improve application IO. So if you really had a friend who was a ride sharing driver and they downloaded their data and wanted you to analyze it, it would probably come from a report or query they could do using the front end. But that front end query would be querying from the back end transaction data. So you would have to be comfortable with that data structure in order to help your friend by analyzing the data. In public health, we have a lot of skills. But we often don't have specifically data science skills. In theory, individuals with a health analytics background could analyze data from a ride sharing app. It's just that they don't often know how to go from the data in the application to an analytic data set you can analyze to answer research questions. That's why I created this applications basics online course, specifically for people with a background in health analytics who want to go deeper into data science. Are you in health care or public health but want to better understand how to analyze data from applications? Please consider taking my online course or even joining my online group mentoring program. In the one year self-paced online group mentoring program, I help individuals trained in health care shift their career into a more data science direction. Look for links in the description. I hope this video gave you a new way to look at data coming from applications. If you found it useful, please hit the like button and if I stimulated an interesting thought in your mind, please leave a comment and share it with us. Bye for now. Thank you for watching this video which is part of the Public Health Today to Science rebrand program. If you are interested in joining the program, please sign up for a 30-minute Zoom interview using the link in the description.