Thanks, Corry. I'm going to chess green. So, hi everybody. I'm Sue Atwell. I'm co-lead for just the National Centre for AI and Tertiary Education. And today I'm going to talk a little bit about the National Centre and what we do. We look at where we are now and dip into assessment, student perceptions and then move into an activity. So the National Centre for AI and Tertiary Education, and hopefully that's the last time I'm going to say that. It's a bit of a mouthful, but it is our name. We were set up about two years ago to accelerate the adoption of AI across the tertiary education sector in a responsible way. Responsible for us is quite a key word. To an extent, the acceleration and awareness has been done by all the media and the rise of generative AI tools. So we've kind of flipped that to support the sector, but in a responsible way. So we like to think that we are making the sector aware of both the positives and the negatives and supporting them to make informed choices. And we do this in a few ways. We do a lot of thought leadership. We run some pilots and evaluate them. We provide a lot of practical advice, guidance and training. We do some influencing. So working with people like DFE and devolved nations and we have a very active community. So the report for AI and tertiary education is one of our thought leadership pieces, something we produce annually. The third edition has just been published September 2023. And we'll revisit that and aim to publish 2024 version in summer. But what that does is capture what AI is at that point in time. So what's happening across AI, what's happening in the sector and where we're starting to see emerging use cases and case studies of good practice. And just sharing some of our pilots. So we piloted body swaps, which is a VR, AI interact intersection tool. We pilot that directly with students. So we did a roadshow type approach and it allows students and module we chose to pilot was around employability and supporting students with interviews. So students could go through an interview in VR. They could then swap bodies into the interviewers body and see how they came across and get AI feedback on how to improve their performance. And also has a lot of wellbeing and medical modules within it. And we started seeing more and more VR AI tools come and particularly around the medical space. Anyways, we've just finished piloting that. That was quite a nice little tool that just uses AI to create audio resources, podcast type materials from your existing content. So another form of learning for the student with very little effort on the part of the tutor teacher. And teach a magic. We're just piloting at the moment. So mid pilot, we have eight colleges piloting this and we've just started a HG pilot. This really is the area we're seeing a lot of growth at the moment. So this is almost a kind of mid person. So this is a tool that sits on top of open AI. But in this case, it allows the teacher to produce a lot of useful resources, things like lesson plans, FAQs, multiple choice questions, learning materials without having to develop prompting skills for themselves. They can simply click on a box, add the URL, a couple of other answer a few questions, set the level and it'll go away and it'll create them. One of the really useful things I like about this particular tool is it allows you to set things like accessibility so you can tell it that you need the resources to be created because you have a student who is dyslexic or you have a student who is neurodivergent and it will adapt resources to cater for those particular needs, which then of course allows those resources to be available for all students because we all know that a lot of students find accessibility resources really helpful even though they might not officially have those needs. I mentioned the word responsible and this is some guidance we put out and we're just in the process of refreshing this going forward. But this is really about a set of guidelines for institutions to go through before thinking about bringing AI into their institution. We're making sure that people are doing it for the right reasons that they've gone through the process of thinking about, you know, does this use fit with our purpose and culture? Are we ready to do this? Do the staff have the necessary skills to implement it? And does AI raise any specific issues? You know, have we got the right consents in place? Are our students the right age? You know, can they use this? And then practical training. So we've got two mini MOOCs online at the moment. We'll be adding to this shortly, but an introduction to generative AI. So just practical course into what it is, how it works. And then another one into AI and ethics and they're both short. They're on a monthly basis. They've got very active forums as part of it. They're proving very popular and they're free to just members. And we're just at the moment working with our building digital capabilities tool. So people who use that tool will shortly see an AI section embedded within that tool just to expand its offering. And then this has probably been our most downloaded publication. We're very obvious with our names as you can see. So generative AI primer, it's exactly what it says. If you've never used generative AI tools, this is your starting point. It'll talk you through how to get started, the kind of things that's good to start with, considerations, what not to do, how to do things like how to use it to create images. It's really good, really simple, really clear. And we've had lots of really good feedback on it. I mentioned we've got an active community. We run monthly-ish community meetups. I know these dates are out of date, but the QR codes will take you to sign up for the next sessions, which will be in January. We're not doing any December meetups. Christmas, of course, is much more important. So looking at where we are now. So we've had generative AI around since 2018. And it was just quietly developing in that normal, slow development phase that all technologies go through. And then in 2021, we started to see generative image tools come on, which started to spark a bit of interest. Then we had a few more of those tools and a bit further development in 2022. And that interest started to build. And then we had chatGPT in November 2022, which just blew interest out of the water. And then in 2023, we've had lots of new announcements. They continue to come. And that's the thing that's different with this. It's a technological development. It's a new tool like any other tool. But the sheer speed of change is outside anything we've experienced before. And we're not seeing any signs of that slowing down at the moment. So that presents a particular challenge. So sorry, I thought I was going to sneeze them. ChatGPT. So just looking at that specific. So this is the free version I'm talking about now. It was created by a company called Open AI. Contrary to its name, it's not open. It is a commercial company and other competitors do exist. It's trained on large chunks of the internet plus some books. Humans help with the training by providing feedback. So every time we use it and we use things like the thumbs up, thumbs down, they're helping it to improve. And all it's really doing is predicting the next word based on the sequence of preceding words, which sounds quite simple, but is actually quite effective. It can write plausible sounding text on any topic. So if you've never used it before, please use it to explore a topic you know enough about to judge whether the outputs are correct or not. For all these tools, the human review part is critical. I would never use any output from any tool without reviewing it first by self. It can generate answers to a range of questions, including coding, maths, multiple choice. And it's getting increasingly accurate and sophisticated with every release. It's also getting increasingly expensive. And it will generate unique text every time you use it. So when people talk about things like ChutDPT passed the law exam today, I wonder quite how many times they have to try before it passed. And if they just tried again five minutes later, it would have failed. It's created a wide range of tasks, particularly things like text summarisation, changing the tone of things, limitations. It can often does generate plausible incorrect information. And this can include false references and false claims about its capability. So when we had these tools first talked about, I sometimes see things on Twitter that would make me cringe. I see teachers saying something like, I put my students' work into ChutDPT and it told me it had generated it. It mostly will claim authorship of practically anything you choose to put in and ask it the question, did you write this? It likes to say yes it did. It has no clue whether it did or not. And you've probably done, if you do that, is given the students' work to a generative AI tool training model. So ChutDPT, the free version, is only knowledgeable up to January 2022. It goes absolutely nothing since then because it has no access to the internet. So concerns, we mentioned it's trained on the large chunks of the internet and a few books. Large chunks of the internet includes large elements of things like Reddit forums. So it can and does produce biased output, culturally, politically, every kind of way you can think of really. And the free version, it can generate unacceptable outputs occasionally. It's got high environmental impact. So large water and power use. And there are some concerns around the human impact. A lot of human training and fine tuning is done on these models. That's often done by poorly paid people in the developing world. And is a danger of increasing digital inequity. We shall explore later. But generative AI is much more than ChutDPT. And these are the six most common uses of the moment in education. So chat, search, images, coding, writing and content generation. And these are just a few of the examples of tools that are out there. But there's many, many, many more out there. So just an example. ChutDPT plus, that's the paid for version currently $20 a month has several hundred plugins growing all the time. But it has some really useful plugins, particularly for education. So things like Wolfram, which is a really good maths tool, and Scowa AI, really good research tool. Lots of examples. And again, we're looking at that digital inequity. So we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago. There's more information on our blog site. But just coming back to that issue of ethics and t's and c's. Is everything you're putting into these models being used to train the model? Well, our blog goes into more examples with chat GPT. It does unless you opt out. With Google Bard, all your inputs are used to train it. With Anthropic, nothing is used unless you specifically opt in. And with Bing chat, your inputs are used to train the model. Now, if you are a Microsoft institution, you will have noticed recently that, and if you've got E3 or E5 licenses, that you probably got Bing chat enterprise. And if you've got Bing chat enterprise, please use that because that means that it's covered under your standard enterprise license inputs are not used to train the model. IP remains with the institution. And it's a much safer offer. And there's an age requirement, which differs according to sites, which again, you know, can be an issue, particularly for colleges that are dealing with under 18 students. Obviously can't control what they're using, but it's something to bear in mind when suggesting usage around that age limit. And the speed of change. We're still getting announcements all the time. So we have GPTs introduced about two weeks ago where you can create your custom versions of a GP chat GPT. And again, we've got a new blog that's just gone online today, talking through how to do this. And then last week, we had the announcement that chat GPT plus and has now gone voice enabled. So you can chat to it just in the same way as you do Alexa and Siri. So we're now in a space that we call in everyday AI. And that's because AI is getting integrated into our everyday tools. So, you know, when you pick your phone up and do facial recognition, it's AI that's doing that recognition. And if you're using the designer element of Microsoft PowerPoint, it's AI that's suggesting those designs. It's AI that's again, you know, I use Google Mail, Gmail for my personal communications. And every time I go to do a new email, it asks me if I want to help writing it. And I can choose yes or I can choose no.  So it's getting increasingly hard to take and avoid approach to this. As I mentioned Google, so now within Google Docs, if you open up a new Google Doc, you get a little thing which asks again, you know, would you like help writing and you can choose yes or no. And if you choose yes then you get this little pencil and star. And you can put in what you like. But here we're putting right an intro to AI and education, just a very simple request. And it's produced a page of text within about half a minute. And then it allows you to refine it. So there's a button on our bottom that says so recreate, you can say try again, don't like that. We've talked before about it giving you unique output every time you ask. So you can just recreate it or try again. Or you can refine, you can ask it to change the tone to be more friendly, to be more creative. So, you know, these tools are stopping really easy and really helpful in reducing some workload. And I thought I'd just focus in on Gamma.app, which is not one of the big four, but is a really useful tool. So hopefully this is going to play. So you'll see it produces PowerPoints. You can say, I would like AI help. I want a presentation. Put in your topic. I did this the other week to have a play. Well, I asked it to do employability skills for students in 2030, because that's my old job. And it will then come up with a suggested structure. So when I did this, I changed the order of a couple of those bullet points because I thought it worked better that way around. So then choose your format or not. It will surprise you. And then this is real time. It's just screen recording. It produces PowerPoint decks with appropriate images and with things like graphs and visuals. So for me, it created a very snazzy, I would say, PowerPoint, probably better than some of my PowerPoints. This is one of my PowerPoints, so you can judge. But I then spent 20 minutes reviewing that and I made a few changes. And then I would have been quite happy delivering that presentation. I mean, that human review is key. I would never, ever take any kind of output and just think, OK, job done. But what that had done is enable me to create a PowerPoint. I would have been happy delivering in around 35 minutes. When I'm creating my standard PowerPoints like this one, probably a couple of hours, maybe a little bit more if you get lost down that black hole and looking for appropriate pictures. We must all do that shortly. It's not just me. But that's quite a time saving for me. That's a huge chunk of time that I can then do something that's probably a lot more valuable than croaking PowerPoints. Bing chat and chat GPT can now read pictures. So you can do things like put a diagram in and ask it for suggestions for how to improve it to make it more accessible or just how to make it more easily easy to understand. So what we're seeing across the sector, we're seeing a lot of focus around assessment and policy. We're seeing initial assessment guidance for students produced and some good examples. We're seeing staff starting to use it for process work, so things like grant applications, lesson planning. We're starting to see early thinking about how to use it in learning and teaching, how to think about it more creatively. We're seeing widespread use by students and broad acknowledgement that work will change but limited action on that at the moment. We're increasingly starting to see AI within assisted technology. And that's, I think, to be really careful about when writing student guidance and thinking about an approach. If you outright ban all AI, you will be banning a lot of accessibility tools because they used AI to work, things like Grammarly. And AI accessibility is coming on really well, so things like screen readers, automatic captioning, voice detects are getting much more accurate all the time. So looking at assessment, we've obviously got this spectrum. What's acceptable, what's not acceptable is something we're encouraging all institutions to discuss. It is not for us to decide what's acceptable and what isn't. It will vary across institutions. And a lot of the time it will vary across subjects. What might work in one will not necessarily be allowed in another.  It's a lot of doom-mongering probably. But when we talk about assessment, contrary to the media explosion, the idea of changing assessment is not new. It's been around, as long as I can remember, if I'm honest, people have been talking about the need to change assessment and make better assessment design. I'm just capturing this from a report that was written in 2020. Pre-generative AI calling for change. There's three real tactics. So you can choose to avoid, which means that the only real option is in-person handwritten exams. Not very good for student wellbeing, lot of resource implications, not very good in moving to better assessment design. You can try and outrun, which means you need to devise an assessment that AI can't do. However, AI is advancing so rapidly and changing so much that if you take that route, you have to be prepared to continually refine your assessment, because what AI can't do now, it probably will be able to do in three weeks. So you're taking on a huge workload if you take that route. Adapt and embrace is the model we are promoting as a centre. And it's just embracing the use of AI and starting to think about how to redesign assessments, starting to think about things like authentic assessment. I mean, I think we're all here for the same reason, which is really to best support students. And students are effectively living in an AI-enabled world, and they're moving into work or more study in an AI-enabled world. So have to think about how we support them best to thrive and move into sustainable employment in that world. So is it possible to detect AI? Short answer is no. Long answer is, well, kind of, but not that effectively. So there isn't any system today that can conclusively prove anything's being written by AI. Of the ones that are around, Turnitin is the most effective. It's low 70%, low 70% effective. So around 26, 28, 29% false positives, which is a huge workload, a huge requirement around investigation. And one of the concerns is that a lot of students are using AI to improve their writing. That's how I use it a lot. I write very passively. So I use AI to make my writing more engaging and to help me improve my writing. And if you use AI to get feedback and improve your writing, it's high. And also, this is particularly an issue for students who are non-native speakers, where they're using things to make sure they're writing things correctly. AI will pick up their writing style as being the same as AI writing style because it's very, very similar. It's unfairly biased against non-native speakers. All of the techniques can be defeated and they'll all give false positives. So bearing all that in mind, one of the things we thought we might do is to come up with a practical resource into how to think about changing assessment. So we did this interactive PowerPoint and it was one of our working groups from our community that developed this, led by Isabel Bodic at UCL and developed with colleagues from a range of universities, came up with this idea of how to change assessment. So there's around 46 different types of assessment here. It relates to Bloom's taxonomy and they're all rated on some key characteristics. And where it's appropriate. So this is the assessment categories the toolkit breaks it down to. The things like control, condition exams, practical exams, quizzes and in-class tests, and open book exams. And if you click on one of those categories, it can then take you to this, they're all color coded, but if you click on open book, it'll take you to this purple slide. And you can then choose one of those categories. In this example, I chose visualizer concept down on the bottom left. And this is the card it'll give. And at any stage in the kit, you can click on either go back on to the open book category or back to the index and explore. And there's around I think 46, 48 different suggestions on that. And then just looking at student perceptions. So last spring, we did a range of student discussion forums with both college and university students and then produced this report, student perceptions of generative AI. And we're currently in the process of updating that some running a range of student forums between now and February, having those discussions to find out what students are doing and what their hopes and wishes and concerns are now. So how are students using chat GPT and other generative AI tools? So this is the picture when we did these last spring, which is around research tools, exploring concepts, getting started, you're getting over that blank sheet of paper, making suggestions for them about different types of things they might consider to give them structure, particularly where they've never had to do a certain thing before, to get feedback on their writing and as a safe proofreading element. Students, particularly non-native speakers, are using it for translation and rewriting sections. And they're doing that because of how it works. It works on a very conversational style. So the student can ask the same question in a different way if it doesn't understand. So they're often using it to get an understanding of what's being asked for them to make sure they can respond appropriately. They can ask the same question 18 times in 18 different ways to get that understanding. Most students don't feel confident and that they can do that of a tutor or in class where there's peers. So it just makes it really easy for them to have that interaction and support at any time of the day. They're using it to iterate and discuss and to create images to support things like portfolios. And occasionally they were using it to get people pasting the question and getting the answer out. Things seem to have moved on with this round. We're early in this round. I don't want to be too precise, but it feels like students have moved on from using it as an answering tool, something that they can ask it and it will give them the answers to use it as quite a sophisticated learning resource. So they're using it to deepen and broaden their depth of knowledge by interrogating it and exploring concepts that it suggests that they're interesting to them. They use it to develop their own revision materials. So they use it for things like develop a revision quiz and things like that. So it feels like we're starting to transition into a new phase.  They don't teach information literacy very early. In places like the Netherlands and some of the Scandinavian countries, they teach it at primary age. So data security, they're concerned about safeguarding their own privacy and also IP and ownership. If they're putting things in like they're creative students to work on their own photography, for example, who owns it if it's gone through a generative AI tool. They would like staff to use these tools, but if they are using them to create things like lesson materials, they would like transparency. But they're keen that staff do use these tools because they want staff to feel confident. They want to feel they can ask staff questions and get confident responses. They're concerned that there is no over-reliance on generative AI because they do want to continue to learn. They want to make sure they do have intellectual development in their learning. And they're really concerned about the future and the skilletment and the potential impact. And just one of the things they're concerned about is digital inequity. So just looking at things like free-chap GPT versus paid-for-chap GPT and the difference is $20 a month. It's quite a high cost, really. GPT Plus has guardrails, so it doesn't produce some reasonable outputs. It's up to date. You can search the internet so you can get a lot more information you can't get on the chap GPT. And it has many more plugins. So it's really good for some educational tools. You know, I think like maths, coding, STEM, really good for those kind of things. And it can now do things like analyse documents. So we're starting to see a potential widening that digital divide, which is no good thing. And then just expanding that to include things like accessibility. I doubt any student would need all of these tools. But you could see that a student might need GPT Plus and Grammarly, which is 26 pounds a month. It's quite steep. You know, how do we balance this? So student needs, what are they looking for? They're asking for more information, digital literacy, employability skills focus. They want, they would like institution recommendations on what tools to use and how to use them. At the moment, there's a lot of un-clarity from students where they, even where there are policies, they're like I don't really understand them or it's different in the here to here. So I don't really know what I'm supposed to use and they really would like very clear guidance and policy. They would like practical training. But they'd like to understand the future as well as the now. And they see this important. They're really keen to contribute to the conversations. Then just looking at that thing about student concerns and skills of the future. We're starting to see a change in the employability skills we've talked about for a while and we're starting to see things moving to employers value in things like analytical judgment, flexibility and emotional intelligence. We're starting to see a focus on things like curiosity, creativity and critical thinking of the human skills which are going to be important whatever the vocational area and whatever however the AI develops because these are skills that AI doesn't have. Intensically human by nature and they're getting increasingly valued by employers. Analytical thinking people with creativity according to the World Economic Forum. Leadership skills people who can influence and work well with others. And then I think importantly workers who will need to constantly gain new skills throughout their work in life. We started to see that cycle of moving through jobs speed up. Really we need to be producing learners who know how to learn and like to learn and that's the best way to support them to thrive. And on that note I was going to stop for questions. Just leaving that QR code up for a minute just because that's the way to join our main and missing and also the link to our website which is where all the resources I've mentioned are they're all on the web page and then I'll flip back. So I was just going to stop for a moment for questions and then start again on activity. Are there any questions Mike? Yeah I mean lots of people have this idea that you know think, share put something in edit it, do something, discuss it but you can ask the AI to do all that you can say create something then you can criticise it you can give it a rubric to criticise it you can give it a persona and say how would this person view of it and so you can do the whole thing with AI and pretend it was done by students. The thing I would say to that Mike is if you're determined to cheat you will cheat you know you can currently do that before AI came out you could use things like SA mills you could copy you know part of this is about whether we trust our students or not and knowing our students to allow if students want you know my discussions with students indicate most of them don't want to cheat they want to learn they understand that cheating is cheating themselves I know that's you know probably not the answer you were looking for but I think this is not news not a new problem it's just a different lens on it and it's the same issues if I'm honest that came up when the internet came out and people started using Google and what I'm saying is you can get around that you can get them to record what they're doing and submit the whole thing so you can see the interaction with the AI and how they're prompting and what's coming back. Wow I don't think that would be very good for student wellbeing but yes it's an option Victor your microphone is okay he said it'll pop it into chat for you Sue okay whilst Victor is writing that somebody popped oh he's popped it in now I'll read it out loud both the recording so you can hear it just wondering if there are plans for a research pack to help institutions to learn what their students and staff think we run a survey and a focus group within my department but perhaps no need to reinvent the wheel so we're currently running another round of student discussion forums and we'll update our student report in the spring so I think there's various of these activities happening and I know some institutions have been doing similar but there's a thing about pulling those together that might be something to look at somebody above also asked a question specifically it's about like the surveys Rory said how have you gathered these views from learners and are they FE, HE and how many have you gathered so they were a mix when we did them before we gathered them by talking to students so student discussion forums a lot of students in a room and having a chat using Miro, things like that that's how we're redoing them so we're currently in the process of running the whole series, college and university students so students are anonymous and everything's aggregated is that recent or was it we did them earlier this year in produced report we're now doing it again Rory to update the report in spring so both fantastic thank you very much Sue I'm going to stop the recording now Horace okay


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In this game, I will be asking a popular YouTuber about five different Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Each round, the guests will have five questions about the round's chosen card. Each answer is worth a point, until the final round where they must guess that card's price. The better the answer, the more points the guest receives. Can your favorite YouTuber win the ultimate prize? You will just have to watch to find out. If you want to win the giveaway for this video, which is half of the prize money won during today's game show, just like the video, be subscribed, turn on notifications, and let me know down below who do you want to see on the next episode of Guess That Price Season 2. Welcome back to Guess That Price Season 2 Episode 3. We have the legendary Chaotic Meatball, fresh from the realms of Pokemon challenges. How you doing? I am doing fantastic, Ruxin. How about yourself? I'm doing pretty good. We are recording this on a Chaotic Meatball schedule, so it is almost 10 p.m. my time. Hey, listen, listen. I initially pitched 8 p.m., but you had to go eat dinner with your parents. Yeah, 8 p.m., yeah. So middle of the day for Sean, you know, that kind of stuff. But totally fine. Actually, my sleep schedule is fixed right now. I'm getting up at like 9 a.m. It's actually kind of nice. Okay, you're doing a good job, then. I won't throw you under the bus anymore, then, because I guess it's more of my schedule. Don't worry. It'll fall off in like two weeks. It'll be up at 2 p.m. again. Yeah, it makes sense. All right, so Sean knows how this works. You've seen the first two episodes. If you have any questions, just let me know. We can hop right into it. We have five cards that you will be guessing today. You have the potential to win up to $1,000 total, $500 for yourself, $500 for the viewers. So if you could win that crazy $500 prize for the viewers, they're going to love you. So let's just see if you can do that. We're going to start off with the first question. We have a Reflect Bounder is your first card. Oh, Reflect Bounder. That one I'm slightly familiar with. I know it from Goat Format. I know it was limited there. Okay, so since you are somewhat familiar, do you know the year and the set of the original printing? That's how you can get two points here. Okay, so I'm already going to go for a lifeline because I don't know the set. All right, so going for your first lifeline, that's your only lifeline you'll get for the year and the set. The lifeline here, I probably should have a better lifeline for this because it either gives it away or it doesn't at all. So how am I going to give you one word from the set? So let's just see if what can I give you that won't give it away. I think either way, you're basically going to get this one for free. We'll see if you know the year. I'll give you a word is dark in the set. Dark. That's not the full word, so it could easily be... No, that's the full word. That's one of the words in the name of the set. One of the words in the name of the set, but not a potential full word. Like if I said, if it was legacy of darkness, to guess technically, dark is the name. No, no, it's the full word. Okay, okay. So it is not legacy of darkness. I'll tell you that. Did they originally print this in dark beginning or dark revelation? I don't remember which one was first. Oh, this is a hard one. I really thought this one was going to give it away. It's kind of a 50-50 coin toss on that. There are a few sets that could follow that, but there are only a few options left. Like you've eliminated legacy of darkness and many others. Okay, so I'm going to go with... I think it's dark beginning one 2004. Final answer? Final answer. Sean, you forgot about dark crisis. Oh, I did forget about dark crisis. See, that's the curse of them not reprinting it with the 25th anniversary boxes. If they did that, I would have remembered it. Yeah, that's true. They didn't reprint this one. And also, painfully, it came out December 1st, 2003.  When I said dark, I almost said crisis. There's nothing that even has crisis. So I said dark. I even forgot about dark beginning and dark revelation. So when you went to those, I was like, oh, he's off the track. Yeah, I was like, wait, is it in a side? Did they put in a side set first? But no, that makes sense. I'm surprised I completely blanked on that one, to be fair. That's okay. First question, worst question. We're going to... You're going to do better this time. Do you know the rarity of the original printing from dark crisis? It was an ultra rare. That one's easy. Okay, easy point there. So you're back on track. You've got a point. Now let's go to the multiple choice, which has been one of the harder parts of the quiz in the first couple episodes. So number of printing. So I'm going to clarify here, because dark crisis did... While it didn't have the booster box reprint, it does have a lot of dark crisis prints. But to make it easy, all dark crisis prints are counted as one. No matter how many times it's been reprinted, we're going to put it as one. So that way, we're not going to have to total up all those reprints and stuff. So if it's ever been dark crisis, that's just one printing. So keep that in mind. Okay. Reflect Bounder has been printed either. A, are there four printings? B, five printings. C, six printings. Or D, seven printings? Interesting. So we know the ultra that's in dark crisis. We know... Unfortunately, I'm really not familiar with Reflect Bounder too much. I believe it's in a battle pack. It's not in speed duel. I believe it... No, I don't recall it being reprinted in rage of raw. It would have made sense to be there. I think it might have been a common in there. I think I'm just going to take a shot in a dark and go for... Let's go for four. Four total printings. Is your final answer? Yeah. All right. The correct answer for dark crisis. Reflect... I say dark crisis. Reflect Bounder is six printings. Oh, it was six. Oh, geez. You were thought it had a battle pack. It does not have a battle pack. You said it... You didn't think it had speed duel. It actually does have a speed duel print. Okay. So I flipped the... Why is that in the speed duel with 4,000 life points? It's a common in streets of battle city. So be pretty crazy if you get like the reflect thing. That's kind of crazy. And then the other printings are dark revelation volume one, champion pack one, structured X cyber dragon revolution, turbo pack two, and then dark crisis. And there's a couple other dark crisis as well. Gotcha. Okay. Pretty tough. I mean, I wouldn't have been able to guess that it was a...  That I never would have gotten. Those turbo packs are always super tricky. I guess. I mean, 2014 structured X. What better machines are you going to put in there? Yeah, exactly. Okay. Let's go on to the final question. You have one point so far, but you can earn up to three points for if you get it exactly right on this one. So do you know the price of a dark crisis, ultra rare first edition near meant reflect boundary?  I was looking at stuff like lackluster soldier, Envoy of the beginning out of IOC. But this one, I'm kind of unsure what it could be. It definitely feels like a type of card that's like really niche because it's at one in goat like I said before. I believe... You have lifelines. I don't want to burn them on this one. And then like, I already burned one and it didn't help me because I was dumb. But if it helps, you know, then it's always worth it. You just got to get the points out of it. You know what? I'm going to go with a base $100 for the dark crisis first dead near meant. All right. You lock it in $100? $100. All right. Chaotic meatball. Mr. Sean, this card is... I'm going to double check this before I say it. I just double check this just to make sure because this seems really low. It's $18. Yeah. I just looked. There's three at $18 that you could buy right now. No, there's actually four, which seems extremely low. No, I don't believe you. I don't believe... Are you kidding me? Does that not seem super low? That seems extremely cheap, especially when comparing to like other... There's one at $17.85, two at $17.85. These are verified sellers too. And this is like the actual original. You're not looking at the... No, first edition. The 25th anniversary. You're not looking at the E.N. First dead. This is baseline. Yeah. That is insane. I put this on here earlier. And then when you were like answering, I'm like, wow, is this right? I was like, this just seems super low for a dark crisis first dead ultra, especially a card that you could actually use in goat format. I guess being at one and that might be a card I go and like buy after this. This is... Yeah, that seems like a very good card to buy. I mean, it might have gone down because of the secret rare out of streets of Battle City, but... Well, based on this in the last year, it's gone down $3. So not too much based on the TCG player chart. So that's a tough one. I mean, I definitely would have guessed higher kind of like you did. So let's go on to number two. Let's see if this one will be a little bit better toward you. All right. Card number two, Sean, is Drill Warrior. Oh, Drill Warrior. Ah, yes. Year and set. Do you know? Year and set. I believe this was out of absolute power force, which would have been right in 2010, right before like the Edison cutoff point, because it's like raging battle. Then it's absolute power force. I'm going to go with absolute power force 2010. Final answer? Yep. Final answer. Well, you have just tripled your points. Basically, you're up to three points. You got both of those correct. Edison format, aficionado right here, maybe... Yes, February 16th, 2010 was the release of absolute power force. Edison coming in clutch for you. So you're up to three total points. It's going to be four when I say it's a super rare. Yeah, not rarity. Do you know the rarity? I just said it's a super rare. At least that's the rarity I remember it in. If it's in something else, that's going to screw me up. Okay, so you're locking in super rare? I'm locking in super. Sean. Was it a special edition super and it was a secret in this set? Sean, I'm going to be very sad. You would have been wrong on both counts. Was it an ultra? It's an ultra and an ultimate in this set. So you could have said either of those and you said super and secret. I think I had the super rare printings. I could have sworn they came out of absolute power force, but that's fine. Well, I will not be revealing any information about other printings because that's your next question. The number of printings for the drill warrior, you have four options here. A, three printings. B, four printings. C, five printings. Or D, six printings. So three, four, five, six. Those are your options. Okay, so I think we can eliminate five and six because I know that there's the ultra. There's the ultimate now and I know that there is the super rare. I do not believe there is a common printing of this card. There might have been. I recall when I was buying like I was building a lot of like Edison pre-constructed decks, I built like 16 of them and I needed like a ton of copies of this. And the cheapest one was that special edition super. So I'm going to go with three printing. Locking in a three printings. We're going to lock in a three printings. You might want to go back and tell yourself to buy the rare out of dual list pack 10, you say three because that seems to be the cheapest option at 25 cents. Really? How did I end up with so many super rares? The answer is C, five. I think maybe you were buying foils? You wanted foils only or something like that? No, it might have been just that they were cheaper at the time. It was like a year ago. The thing is the, it looks like the supers are about 90 cents. So that is possible. They're not that much more, but there's also a legendary collection, 5D secret rare as well. So you might have thought of the secret seeing that card. That's where that secret rare comes from. You looked at all the wrong versions by accident. I mixed up all of the sets. I knew that there were different, like I knew there was a super, there was a secret that I just forgot about the other ones. Well, you nailed all the random ones, but you didn't know about, well, actually to be fair, the dual list pack 10, you say three is pretty random. So that one is random as well. But that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. The more important question is the price. Do you know the price of the ultimate rare first edition from absolute power force? Ultimate rare first edition. Yeah. The old team. We're asking about the ultimate rare, not the ultra, nothing else. That one, I do think it is relatively cheaper than most of like the other synchros from this time because it was basically just in quick draw dandy warrior. And still is like when you're looking at it from current Edison players, I'm going to lock in that card around. Let's go with $35. That seems reasonable. You're locking them in quick. Like you're just like, bam, locked in. I feel relatively confident about this one. I didn't feel that confident about reflect founder because my only basis was like big ultra rares from the time. Like I think BLS is like first to edit is like $170 or something right now. Okay. So 35 is locked in. 35 is locked in. All right. This card, ultimate rare out of absolute power force first edition is, you got the second number, right? Uh-oh. It's not 35. It's $55. That's rough. So you're just outside of a point right there. Yeah. Was I thinking the unlimited? I feel like the unlimited is probably around there. Let's check out the unlimited real quick. Let's see what it's looking at. You probably are pretty close in that. It is just under 30, 2950. So 30 for the unlimited. So you are so close. And then there's only a couple listings at 30 and then it goes to 39. So you would have been right on the dot basically for that. Well, we can't hit all bangers here. Hope that some of my studying helped for the next three. First two started, not great. I mean, you have three points, but that's okay. You have three full cards left. If you get hot right here, you could still probably have the best score. So let's see if you can do that. Third card, instant fusion. Instant fusion. Do you know the original set and the original year of that set? Okay. So I know that the set was cyber dark impact. I need to remember what year cyber dark impact came out. I believe it was 2007 because I think this was like right around tactical evolution and like gladiators assault. I think it was between those. It could have been somewhere around there. But I'm going to lock it in there. Cyber dark impact 2007. Instant fusion was released in cyber dark impact. Okay. On November 15th, 2006. November 16th, dang it. You were a month and a half off, but you still didn't get the set. So you got a point. I'm happy with that. Not bad. You were very close. 2006. I mean, you're in the right range.  Do you know the original printing rarity? So I know that this was a common in the set because for some reason the set was full of like great cards later. Are you locking that in? I am absolutely locking in that it was a common. Well, that was a good choice because you have another point. So two points on the instant fusion so far. You have now gathered five total points onto the multiple choice. This one, you're flying through this one. Even if you didn't get half of that first one, you're still answering them quickly. Let's see about the multiple choice for number of printings. Here are your options. A, eight printings. B, 10 printings. C, 12 printings. Or D, 14 printings. Geez, that is a lot to try to remember. I know the OTS Ultimate Rare exists. I had one and then I got rid of it when I, when Prank Kids got banned. I believe there, of course, there's the common from Cyberdark Impact. Two down. I believe there's a dual terminal version so that puts us up to three. Is there any other tournament pack versions of this card? I don't believe it's an OTS. Of course, if they put it in Ulti, they're probably not going to put it in any other ones. I do remember that it was in raw yellow mega pack. That's, did I say, am I up to three or four? You're up to four by your count. God, if I could, if I can get at least like eight out of the way, that'd be nice. Well, then you'll be to the first option, so that would be good. Yeah, if I could have a one in three chance instead of a one in four chance, I think. If you can eliminate any, that will help you. But you know, there's another way to eliminate options as well that you have not used yet. Let's burn the lifeline on this one. I don't feel like trying to remember that many printings in Vincent Infusion. The last two, we're going to eliminate two options and that is 10 and 14. Okay, so I'm left with eight and 12. Yeah. Well, because it was in raw yellow mega pack, I believe it was also in legendary collection GX, so that would put us up to five. I remember there being other common versions of the card. I think it was in the Shadal structure because I remember that being one of the first things I picked up when I actually got into the game back in 2020 was that that puts us up to six. Six by your count. I'm not going to confirm if they're right or not, but you're up to six. I know there's the Magnificent Maven's Ultra. That one I can put aside. I know there's a Super Rare somewhere. I think it's Fusion Enforcers. That would make sense. Putting Instant Fusion and Fusion Enforcers makes sense. That's interesting that Fusion Enforcers in a Fusion card, that's pretty crazy. I know, right? Insane logic. That's eight. If you get one more than you're saying it's 12, assuming you're all right. It is 12. I remembered they have the big text astral pack version, which is my favorite because I have old man eyes. I'm going with 12. All right. You're locking in 12. Locking in 12. You are. Correct. There are 12 printing. That's impressive. How you were pulling out all those different printings. I am actually pretty familiar with this card, which is good. I mean, you know, when you're, I think Prankids was a long time ago, so the fact that I remembered all that is kind of funny. Do you want to know the other three that you did not list because you were correct on all nine that you said? Wow, really? Yeah, you will write on all those. And the astral pack was astral pack eight, the one that you mentioned last. Oh, okay. What were the other printings? Dual terminal four. I did say the dual terminal one. I knew there was a dual terminal one. Maybe you didn't mention that one. But there was a dual terminal version of the card. There was another common, like you said, Champion pack seven. Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't have remembered that one. Oh, there's two astral packs as well. There's an astral pack two. So there was two different astral packs. Oh, okay. Yeah. I wouldn't have remembered that there was two astral packs. I just knew that they had a big text one. And that was the big text. The super was the astral pack eight. Astral pack two is just another common. So there's multiple commons of this one. So you got that one correct. So you're up to, are you up to six points now? I believe so. You've got three on, on instant fusion. So this one's going well for you. Let's see. You said that you own this card at one point, the OTS for ultimate rare printing. Let's see if that price is even relevant, or if you remember it, or if it matches up. I very vehemently doubt it being relevant, considering when I bought it, prank kids was at the top with the adventure package. Ever since Kit Close got banned, that's probably, this card's just not played in any decks right now, which is very unfortunate. It's a cool card. I like it, but let's see if we get it right. So the price of a near mint OTS for ultimate rare. Okay. So when I bought it, it was like 160, which was way too much. And it's probably not that anymore. You do have a lifeline. Do I want to burn the lifeline on this here? I've already burned one here. I still have two left, I believe. I have the- You have the price and then one for rarity. Okay. So let's do, yeah. No, let's do the lifeline here. It's higher or lower, right? Yeah. So you pick a number. I'll tell you if it's higher or lower than that. Let's do half the price of what I bought it for. How about $80? This card is more than $80. I couldn't imagine it being much more. I don't anticipate it breaking triple digits, that's for sure. That kind of puts me in between the $80 and $99 range. Yeah, you got a small range then if you're correct. You know one of them is definitely higher and that if you're correct on that 100, you pretty much pigeon-hold it. It's always hard to guessing these things because it's like a wide range of numbers. There's no options. There's no learning other than, oh, I looked at this card recently. That helped. Very hard. It's very hard. Against my better judgment, I think I'm going to go for $85. $85, you want to lock that in? Let's lock it in. Sean. I don't like that tone. Is it higher? You bought this card. I bought this card like two years ago. For $160, you thought it was lower. You know it's higher than 80.   Can you include shipping in that, please? You would have had four points right there. That's officially the closest guess, I think, in season two. One dollar away. But you know what that means? You get three points on this guess because you're within 10%. That puts us up to what? Nine points now?  You just got one, two, three, six points. The max is eight. And you were one away on one of the dollars and then you missed the year by a month and a half. So you were that close to having the perfect card and getting eight points.  You said if I go on a hot streak. I mean, I'm trying my best. You're starting good. So let's go to card four. If you could do anything like you just did on the next two, you're going to end up doing pretty well. Number four. As long as I do better than Alex, you know, if I've finished his history of Yu-Gi-Oh series five times over, I should have the knowledge down. You got to beat him, but he does have a 10 point lead on you right now, but you still have a potential to get 16 more points or something like that. So if you could pull that off and be pretty impressive. All right, fourth card. It's another fusion card. Overload fusion.  No, you know that one too well. I couldn't give it to you. For context, ladies and gentlemen, I was hunting for a maxed out rarity Edison gladiator beast deck, and I was only accepting the turbo pack to ultimate rare version of gladiator beast Heraklitos. And Bruxen had a secret rare from the gladiators assault. The original printing, just throwing that out there. Yeah. Like he had it in there.  I'm like, no, that's not the highest rarity. The ultimate is the highest rarity. And I asked him probably 20 times over the course of that tournament if you wanted to buy that secret rare. He never bought it though. So I never bought it because I wanted to be a secret ultimate rare. Unfortunately, the original print secret rare first edition, he wanted the reprinted ultimate rare big deal. It looked beautiful and it still does. I love it. I won't lie. It looks really good. But we got to get back on topic here. You got to answer what year and what set was overload fusion from. Okay, time to try to remember what year power of the dualist came out. That's the green set with dark neos on it. That helps surely. No bonus points for that. That's unfortunate. I know it's power of the dualist. I'm going to lock that party in. What the year? The years, the years. I don't think it's 2005 because we had shadow of infinity. It was like, I believe February. It was 2005. I'm going to be kind of kicking myself. I don't know why I'm leaning towards 2006 because I always get these GX sets all mixed up like elemental energy. The one with air neos on it, whatever that was. I don't remember. The forbidden yugioh set. The forbidden yugioh set. The red one. God, if I could remember the colors like Alex does, that would help because I don't remember. That color strategy was pretty impressive. I do remember the colors because I know the modern sets. I know red is like, if I'm looking at 2020, red was like ignition assault, then yellow was eternity code, then green was rise of the dualist. If I do that same logic going with this era, I think that cyber dark impact was the yellow set. No, it couldn't have been. I think there's like an, I think that one's orange or something. I don't remember. All this deliberation. Still, I haven't given you an answer. I might need a minute or two to think about this. Take your time. Take your time. All right. I'm just going to lock it in. Power of the dualist, 2007. Let's do 2007. No, no, 2006. I'm doing 2006. I can't. I don't think. I don't know if I should lock in 06 or 07. I know it's one of those. You went from 05 to 06. I know it's not. No, I knew it was not 05. They're like 07. So now you have three different years. No, I know it's not 05. I know overload fusion is not that old because I believe this card is like right around where they released like the machine's revolt structure deck, which had like the like the big chimera tech over dragon. I think I'm going to lock in power of the dualist, 2006. All right. You are officially locking it in now. I'm officially locking it in. Sean, after much deliberation, jeopardy music, thinking about colors, discussing colors, power of the dualist, first of all, is correct. So you were right about that. At least if they had been the wrong set, you were thinking that long. It had been pretty bad. But yeah, that would have been very funny. It admittedly it was released on September 1st, 2006. It was so funny because you were talking about the yellow set. You're like cyber dark impact. You're like, no, that set was a yellow. It was yellow. For some reason, I was thinking there were like orange sets, which I think raging battle is an orange set, which was why I was like, is cyber a cyber dark impact? Well, it's raging battles also pretty yellow. So I think they're just yellow. I think probably because cyber dark impact. I think was the set after this. So I think that you were right on it first and then you kind of trailed off on that. That sounds about right. But you got it right. Either way, you got two points. So now do you know the rarity? So this came in rare and ultimate in power of the dualist. You sound pretty confident. Is that a lock in right there? Yeah. And yes, you are right. Both of those are correct. You only get one point, but you named both of them. James, I should get two. Pretty impressive. Yeah, pretty impressive. The thing is though, it's easier because you have two options. So you shouldn't get more points. But if you can name both, maybe. But okay, three points there, you're up to 12 now. I am up to 12. Wow, you are really making a comeback. You started slow, but these last two have been really good. The fusion cards you seem to know pretty well. But will you know how many times it was printed? Here are your options for the multiple choice. You have A, 11 printings. B, 14 printings. C, 18 printings. Or D, 25 printings. Oh, I know it's not either of those last two. It is definitely not been printed that much. So you have the rare. You have the ultimate rare. You have the dualist pack for Zane Truesdale common. I do remember that. I believe this had one of the later dual terminal prints because I remember it having the big text. That puts us at the four. You and your text. Do you remember all the big text cards? If there's a card that has big text on it, I have it. I love it. It's great. That's hilarious. So I do remember the cyber strike structure had this. The recent cyber dark structure. That's five you've named right there, if those are all correct. I know it was in the speed dual box as a common. I don't believe it had got a secret in there. You have the two that are in Royal Omega Pack legendary collection GX. Those are pretty easy. Jimmy's one of my up to. I think that's eight. I think you're at eight for the ones you've named. I think there's like a modern rare version of this car. I don't remember what set it was. It was it had to be one of like the deck building sets or something. I don't think they would have reprinted this in anything like that. Might have been maze of memories. I opened a bit of that. Do you think I would remember if it was in that or if it was in something else? I do remember there is a modern rare printing of this card. I really could have sworn that there was like the legendary hero decks. Because I could have sworn that that was like one of the easy access reprints to Nova. I don't know if they put that in there. I mean they probably did. But I don't think there are even a legendary hero deck of Zane. That's what I'm trying to remember of that because I know there's three. I know there's three decks in there. I don't remember if Zane was one of them. But if he is, that puts us at 11 and I can't remember anymore. For the sake of brevity, I'm going to lock in 11. 11 prints. You're sure about that. You don't think you forgot anything. You think those were all right. You didn't forget anything. I don't think so. If I forgot one of them and it ends up being that I forgot three of them, I'm going to be very sad. All right. So you're officially locking in then at 11. We're going to lock it in. Sean. I think the tone, every time you say it, it freaks me out. How do you remember all of these? Was I correct? The only one you were not correct on was you said, you said the name Legendary Dragon Dex, then you changed it to Legendary Hero Dex. It was in the Legendary Dragon Dex. I was right on the first. Why would it be in the Legendary Dragon Dex? I mean, I guess Cyber Dragon, sure. Yeah, you said Zane. I mean, Legendary Dragon, Cyber Dragon, so it makes sense. But every other one that you named the structures they were in, the speed duel, you even got Maze, which you questioned for a second, but it was in Maze as a rare. I did remember that there was a modern rare printing, but yeah, I did open quite a bit of that. Oh, that was insane. You just started picking them off. Like you knew three and then you slowly just, oh yeah, there's that one and there's that. You were right about all of them. I don't even have to mention them. So yes, you got a point there. Was I literally correct on like the sets that they were in or something? No, you didn't miss it. Like you said, Power of the Duelist II, obviously you said Legendary Collection II, the Rial Omega Pack, the Structure Dex Cyber Strike. I've been studying Yu-Gi-Oh for a long time. The Duelist Pack for Zane Truesdale. Hey, I remembered that because future fusion's also in there. I mean, it would make sense that it would be in there. Yeah, so you nailed that one. So okay, now if you get the price here, you're going to be killing it. So we're asking the price of the first edition Ultimate Rare from Power of the Duelist. First edition Ultimate Rare, Power of the Duelist, that is going to be difficult because I have never purchased this card. I've only like bought commons. I think I might have indulged in some super rares at some point, but I don't even really think I have any copies of this because the only ones I would have gotten were out of the Cyber Strike structure because I bought that for Imper. Yeah, there's some good stuff in the Cyber Strike one. Well, if future fusion is anything to go by, it's going to be pretty high, but future fusion is playable in Edison and multiple strategies like DB Hero, Disaster Dragons, whereas Overload is really just a machine-only card and gadgets are not good in Edison. Nobody plays perfect circle format as a retro format unless they're crazy. And I don't even think, I think Cyber Dragon players now, if they're still coping on their pet deck, are maybe playing one of this, but they're probably playing Cyberload Fusion. I don't anticipate them playing Overload Fusion, so this might be a cheaper one. I really wish I had the higher or lower on this one because I really should have just gone for the guess of half of my price for that I bought it for. Yeah, it wouldn't have cost you any points there because you would have just spent an extra $3 off. It's just, it's not played. I don't anticipate. I mean, yeah, it's a popular Cyber Dragon card, initially popular. Like, I don't even know. Uh, literally, I don't think modern builds play this. Let's go for $30. I'll lock that. I won't let's do $30. $30. All right. Overload Fusion, first edition from Power of the Dualist. This card is $54. Really? Yeah, you were right around, you said under $50, and I was like, if he just goes just under $50, he's going to be pretty good. Dang, that's crazy. I wouldn't have anticipated it on it being over $50. Well, when you laid everything out, I was like, man, he's making a good case for it not being very expensive because first you said Future Fusion. I was like, it is way cheaper than Future Fusion. Yeah, I knew it was way cheaper than Future Fusion. But yeah, I guess just like, it's, I mean, it's an Ultimate Rare that's been played before and it's like somewhat related to anime, you know? So I guess that has some draw to it. But yeah, the $54 is, I guess not that crazy when you consider some of the current meta cards, but at the same time, like, since it's not really being used, you know, it's pretty high. So your final card is not Junk Speeder. Your final card is Dark Requiem XC's Dragon. Dark Requiem XC's Dragon. I was just playing this in Sooship. So do you know the year and the set of the original printing then? Oh God, that's going to be a difficult one because I don't remember what it was in in the physical card game. Oh, geez. Was this like a dimension of Chaos card? No, I wasn't playing. Did you say Dark Requiem or did you say Arc Rebellion? Dark Requiem. Okay. Never mind. I was not playing that in Sooship. I was playing Arc Rebellion. My brain forgot that that's the other version or that's the rank up. They are very similar. Where were the other 5Ds, or not 5Ds, Arc V dimensional dragons in? Because I know Starving Venom Fusion Dragon was the cover card of Invasion Vengeance. Because I think Invasion Vengeance was like right before Raging Tempest, which was like Zodiac format. So that's like 2017. I think that's a safe guess. Let's go with Invasion Vengeance 2017. Final answer. Final answer. This card was first printed in Invasion Vengeance, which was released on November 4th, 2016. Oh, it was a 2016. I thought that was a 2017 set. Geez. Yeah. The Raging Tempest was like, I think the first set of 2017. So I think you nailed it.  I was one set off. I thought this was the February set that Raging Tempest was. You've done that like three times on these. You thought it was the February, but it's actually the November, so you're so close. I'm so mad. So pretty good. You got the set right. Do you remember the original rarity? I believe it was a secret rare out of that set, because that would fall in line with the other. Well, you have a lifeline here, which will give you two guesses if you want to be sure. Yeah. Let's do the lifeline here, because this is the last card, and I'll just guess secret right out first. And you didn't need it anyway, so you got it. Just figured I'd remind you. Okay. So you are now up to 15 points. You've got two questions left. If you get this multiple choice and you get it exactly right, you will have 20, which will be the next one. Cimo got 19 and Lewis got 18. So you're right in the ballpark. You could pass them. I have to get this price on the money if I want this. All right. So you got to get this multiple choice first for the next point. So how many printings do you think this has? A3, B7, C6, or D4? So we have the invasion vengeance secret. This was after the era of oldies in core sets. So that is not in there, but I do recall it having an OTS oldie. So that puts us at two. I swear if I'm going to mix these up with the Dark Rebellion printings, I'm going to be running out. Is this why you picked Dark Requiem is just to screw with my brain because I was going to mix this up in Dark Rebellion? I didn't do that on purpose, but as I was researching this, I almost got it confused as well. So that's funny. I was like, that'll make it harder. So perfect. Oh, I just remembered, you know what set you've been opening up for the Ghost Rare Dark Magician lately? What set was that? Ghost from the past. I recall seeing this as an ultra rare in there. So that brings us up to three. Okay. To hedge my bets, you know I mentioned earlier the legendary Hero Dex, which I know Phantom Knights is in. So I would not be surprised if that's like one of the hollows in there, if not a common. So in theory you've limited A if you're correct on all those. This is too new of a card. I don't think they would have printed it more, especially because it wasn't that good. Like because they basically replaced this with Arc Rebellion, which was the other ranked five later. I think we're going to lock it in at four. Were you able to get another point? The answer is D four. Yes. And yes, you're correct yet again on all the printings. It was a legendary Hero Dex common. And then it was in Ghost from the Past, of course. And then those other two, the Ulti and the original print that you mentioned. So, but you're up to 16 now. So four points get you all the way to 20, which is the next level. No one's ever gotten to 20 yet. 19 Cimo, if you want to match him, 18 is Louis. So it then 17.  Yeah. So you don't want to be the worst. I have to get a perfect guess to be Alex. Yeah. But you could tie him, which wouldn't be bad either. I need to manifest this in my soul. You got this. Okay. What is the price of the OTS 15 Ultimate Printing? Oh, this is the same set that had droplet, right? OTS 15. Because I remember this was like the poll. I remember pulling one of these and being like, dang, this card stinks. It's not droplet. That's for sure. No, it is absolutely not droplet. I don't remember what the third Ulti was in here. Was this dogmatic Ecclesia? No, I think Ecclesia is newer, I think. There's no real process of elimination here. It really is just guess the price and hope to God you're correct. This does not seem like an expensive card, but I know it has to be at least more than $10, because I think that was like the baseline you said it was supposed to be. Yeah, minimum is $10 for this. I'm so tempted to just go with the minimum. It would be so funny. You know what would be funnier if I just went $1 higher. It's just called 11. Switch to 11. You've been $1 off before. That is true. You know now that you say it, I think we're going to lock it in at 11 because I do not see anybody buying this card whatsoever. You're locking it at 11. You're sure about $11. Let's do $11. All right, he's guessing $11. Okay. First of all, Sean, this card was not in the same set as droplet. No. Oh, I thought droplet was $15. I guess it was $16. Chris drawn Halkofiberax and Armdragon level 10 with your other two options. Okay. Oh yeah, Armdragon level 10. God, I was thinking OTS 16 then. Yeah, OTS 16 I think was droplet. And then $17 was in perm, I believe. In perm, yeah. I've got good news and I've got bad news. Good news and bad news. I don't like bad news, but tell that one first. The bad news is also going to tell you the good news. Well, then why separate it? Just because it's more fun. And here's the bad news. The correct answer is $10. I'm so mad. The good news is you tied Cimo. You got three points on this one, so you're at $19. I can't believe it. I really missed it by $1 again. You were on $10 for the meme and then you changed it for an extra meme to $11. And then you missed it by one. I'm so sad. The good side is you went on an insane streak here and ended up with 19 points after having like three points in the first two cards. So honestly, pretty strong performance. How do you feel about it? I feel decent, kind of disappointed that I did not be both Cimo and Vintage Yu-Gi-Oh. But you know, if I could stay tied with one of them, we'll see if I remain the top of the chart. Probably not for long, but I'm happy that I was able to do as well as I did. I was really expecting to do absolutely poorly, but I guess some of the newer cards definitely kind of busted me out there. Honestly, you did pretty well. And it's going to be hard to top. Like if somebody can do what you did from card three through five, like the whole time, that's when you can really get into those crazy prizes. And at this point, like it looks hard. You know, it is a hard quiz, but I know somebody's going to come in here and they're just going to know everything and they're going to get like 38 points or something like that at some point. So well done. You may be a Pokemon challenge YouTuber, but you know you're Yu-Gi-Oh. I try my best. I spend way too much time on this game as evidenced by my 500 hours in dual links in the past month and a half, but we don't talk about that, you know? All right guys, make sure you guys go check out chaotic meatball and his Pokemon stuff. He also has a Yu-Gi-Oh channel that, you know, what's it called again? It is dead right now. It's dead? You're posting? I know. It's a long story, but no, I'm no longer posting. All this Yu-Gi-Oh knowledge is going to waste. It really is, because every time I post, if I post a Yu-Gi-Oh challenge video on my main channel, it gets only like 5K views. Hey, that's, that's like me opening Pokemon cards. I totally feel you. So thank you again, Sean, chaotic meatball for coming on. It's been super fun. And I will see you guys in the next guess that price episode. Peace. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode of guess that price. If you did, go check out season one right here or some previous episodes from season two here. 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