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Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering UiPath Forward Americas 2019. Brought to you by UiPath. Welcome back to the Bellagio in Las Vegas, everybody. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante. Day one of UiPath, UiPath Forward Three. Hashtag UiPath Forward. Elena Christopher is here. She's a Senior Vice President at HFS Research. And Elena, I'm going to recruit you to be my co-host here. And this is this power panel. So, Jean Younger's here, CUBE alum VP of Six Sigma, Six Sigma leader at Security Benefit. Great to see you again. And Amy Chandler, who's the Assistant Vice President and Director of Internal Controls also from Security Benefit. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. Thank you. All right, Elena, let's start off with you.  You guys were early on. The voice of the automation industry. What are you seeing? I mean, process automation's been around forever. RPA is hot, recent tremble. What are you seeing in the last year or two? What are the big trends and rip currents that you see in the marketplace?  I like how you phrase it, Dave, because you refer to it as rightly so. Automation is not new. And so we sort of say the big question out there is, RPA just flavor of the month. RPA is definitely not. And I come from a firm, we put out a blog earlier this year called RPA is Dead Long Live Automation. And that's because when we look at RPA and when we think about what its impact is in the marketplace, to us, the whole point of automation in any form, regardless of whether it's RPA, whether it be good old school BPM, whatever it may be, its mission is to drive transformation. And so the HFS perspective and what all of our research shows and sort of justifies that the goal is, what everyone is striving towards is to get to that transformation. And so the reason we put out that piece, the RPA is Dead Long Live Integrated Automation Platforms, is to make the point that if you're not, because what does RPA allow? It affords an opportunity for change to drive transformation. So if you are not actually looking at your processes within your company and taking this opportunity to say what can I change? What processes are just bad and we've been doing them? I'm not even sure why for so long. What can we transform? What can we optimize? What can we invent? If you're not taking that opportunity as an enterprise to truly embrace the change and move towards transformation, that's a missed opportunity. So I always say RPA, you can kind of couch it as one of many technologies, but what RPA has really done for the marketplace today, it's given business users and business leaders the realization that they can have a role in their own transformation. And that's one of the reasons why it's actually become very important. But a single tool in its own right will never be the holistic answer. So Jane, Elena's bringing up a point about transformation. We, Stu Minim and I interviewed you last year and we've played those clips a number of times where you sort of were explaining to us that it didn't make sense before RPA to try to drive six-sigma into business processes, just couldn't get the return. Now you can do it very cheaply. And for six-sigma or better is what you use for airplane engines, right? So now you're bringing that to business process. So you're a year in, how's it going? What kind of results are you seeing? Is it meeting your expectations? It's been wonderful. It has been the best. It's been probably the most fun I've had in the last 15 years of work. I have enjoyed partly because I get to work with this great person here and she's my COE and helps stand up the whole RPA solution. But we have gone from finance into investment operations, into operations. We've got one sitting right now that we're going to be looking at statements that it's going to be 14,000 hours out of both time out as well as staff hours saved. And it's going to touch our customer directly that they're not going to get a bad statement anymore. And so it has just been an incredible journey for us over the past year. It really has. It's okay, Amy. Your role is, you're the hardcore practitioner here, right? That's right. You run the COE. Tell us more about your role. And I'm really interested in how you're bringing it out, RPA to the organization. Is that led by your team or is it kind of this top-down approach? Yeah, this last year we spent a lot of time trying to educate the lower levels and go from a bottom-up perspective. Pretty much we implemented our infrastructure. We had a nice solid change management process. We built in logical access. We built in good processes around that so that we'd be able to scale easily over this last year. So, which kind of sets us up for next year and everything that we want to accomplish then. So, Laina, we were talking earlier on theCUBE about, you know, RPA in many ways is, I call the cleaning up the crime scene, where stuff is kind of really sort of a mass and huge opportunities to improve. So, my question to you is, it seems like RPA is, in some regards, successful because you can drop it into existing processes. You're not changing things. But in a way, this concerns that, oh well, I'm just kind of paving the cow path. So, how much process reinvention should have to occur in order to take advantage of RPA? So, and I love that you use that phrase paving the cow path as a New Englander. It's, you know the roads in Boston are, in fact, paved cow paths. So, it's, we know that that can lead to some dodgy roads. And that's part of, and I say it, because that's part of what the answer is. Because the reinvention, and honestly, the optimization has to be part of what the answer is. I said it just a little bit earlier in my comments. You're missing an opportunity with RPA and broader automation. If you don't take that step to actually look at your processes and figure out if there's, I mean, just essentially dead wood that you need to get rid of, things that need to be improved. One of the sort of the guidelines, because not all processes are created equal, because you don't want to spend the time and effort, and you guys should chime in on this. You don't want to spend the time and effort to optimize a process. If it's not critical to your business, if you're not going to get lift from it, or from some ROI, it's a bit of a continuum. So, one of the things that I always encourage enterprises to think about is this idea of, well, what's the, obviously what business problem are you trying to solve? But as you're going through the process optimization, what kind of user experience do you want out of this? And your users, by the way, they don't, you tend to think of your user as it could be your end customer, it could be your employee, it could even be your partner. But trying to figure out what the experience is that you actually want to have, and then you can actually then look at the process and figure out, do we need to do something different? Do we need to do something completely new to actually optimize that? And then again, line it with what you're trying to solve and what kind of lift you want to get from it. But I'd love to, I mean, popping over to you guys, you live and breathe this, right? And so I know I think you have a slightly different opinion than me, but. We do live and breathe it, and every process we look at, we take the consideration, but you've also got to, you have a continuum, right? If it's a simple process, and we can put it up very quickly, we do. I mean, it's, but we've also got ones where one process will come into us and a perfect example is our rate changes. It came in and there was one process at the very end and they ended up, we did a wing to wing of the whole thing, followed the data all the way back through the process, and I think it hit, what, seven or eight different areas of the business. And once we got done with that whole wing to wing to see what we could optimize, it turned into, what? 60? Yeah, 60 plus, yeah. 60 plus what? Spot processes from one entry. So right now we've got 189 to 200 processes in the backlog, and so if you take that and exponentially increase it, we know that there's probably actually a thousand to 2,000 more processes at the minimum that we can hit by the company and we need to look at those. Yeah, and I will say the wing to wing approach is very important because you're following the data as it's moving along, so if you don't do that, if you only focus on a small little piece of it, you don't know what's happening to the data before it gets to you and you don't know what's going to happen to it when it leaves you, so you really do have to take that wing to wing approach. So your internal controls is in your title. So we're talking about scale, it's a big theme here, my path, and these days things scale really fast and booboos can happen really fast, so how are you ensuring that the edicts of the organization are met, whether it's security, compliance, governance, is that part of your role? Yeah, we've actually kept internal audit and internal controls and in fact, our external auditors, EY, we've kept them all at the table when we've gone through processes, when we've built out our change management process, our logical access, when we built our whole process from beginning to end, they kind of sat at the table with us and kind of went over everything to make sure that we were hitting all the controls that we needed to do. And actually, I'd like to piggyback on that comment because just that inclusion of the various roles, that's what we found is an emerging best practice and all of our research and all of the qualitative conversations that we have with enterprises and service providers is because if you do things, I mean, it applies on multiple levels because if you do things in a silo, you'll have siloed impact. If you bring the appropriate constituents to the table, you're going to understand their perspective but it's going to have broader reach. So it helps alleviate the silos but it also supports the point that you just made, Amy, about looking at the processes end to end because you've got the necessary constituents involved. So you know the context and then I believe, I mean, I think you guys shared this with me that particularly when audits involved, they actually are perhaps helping cultivate an understanding of how even their processes can improve as well. That is true. And from an overall standpoint with controls, I think a lot of people don't realize that a huge benefit is your controls because if you're automating your controls, you know, from an internal standpoint, you're not going to have to test as much from just an associate, a process owner, paying attention to their process, to the internal auditors, they're not going to have to test as much either. And then your external auditors, which that's revenue. I mean, that's savings. You lower your auditing goal? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see, right? Yeah. That's always the hope. That's how you want it. Yeah. So, I got to ask you, so you're a year in, a little over a year in, right?  The first process we put in place, at least for me, it breaks a lot. And we did it because at the time, we were going through decoupling and trying to just get something up to make sure that what we stood up was going to work and everything. And so we kind of slammed it in. And we pay for that every quarter. And so actually it's on our list to redo. We automated a bad process. Yeah. We automated a bad product early on. So we pay for it in maintenance. Every quarter, we pay for it, because it breaks inevitably. Yes. Okay, so what has to happen? You have to reinvent the process to the latest? Yes, we're, you know, we relied on a process that somebody else had put in place. And in looking at it, it was kind of a up and down and through the hoop and around this way to get what they needed. And, you know, there's much easier ways to get the data now. And that's what we're doing. In fact, we've built our own, we call it a bot mark. That's where all our data goes. They won't let us touch the other data marts and so forth. So they created us a bot mark. And anything that we need data for, they dump in there for us. And then that's where our bot can hit. And our bot can hit it at any time of the day or night when we need the data. And so it's worked out really, it's worked out really well for us. And so that kind of, the bot mark kind of came out of that project of, you know, there's got to be a better way. How can we do this better instead of relying on these systems that change and upgrade. And then we run the bot and it's working one day and the next day somebody has gone in and tweaked something. And when also I really need out of that system is data. That's all I need. I don't need, you know, a report. I don't need anything like that because the reports change and they get messed up. I just want the raw data. And so that's what we're starting to do. How do you ensure that the data is synchronized with your other marks and warehouses and is that a problem? No, not yet. No, not yet. I'm wondering, because I was thinking the exact same question, Dave, because on one hand it's a nice, I think, step from a governance standpoint. You have what you need, perhaps IT or whoever your data curators are. They're not going to have a heart attack that you're touching stuff that they don't want you to. But then there is that potential for synchronization issues. Because that whole concept of golden source implies one copy, if you will. Well, and it is. It's all coming through. We have a central data repository that the data's going to come through and it's all sitting there and then it'll move over. And, you know, to me, what I most worry about, like I mentioned on the statement ones, okay, I get my data in. Is it the same data that got used to create those statements? And as we're doing the testing and as we're looking at going live, that's one of our huge test cases. We need to understand what time that data comes in. When will it be into our bot mark? So when can I run those bots? You know, cause they're all going to be unattended on those. And so, you know, the timing is critical. And so that's why I said not yet. But- Which you want to know what, we can build the bot to do that compare of the data for us. Ha ha. So we can ensure. I saw a stat the other day, I don't know where it was on Twitter, or maybe it was your data, that more money, buy on it or whatever, 2023 is going to be spent on chatbots than mobile development. I can imagine, yes. You guys, what are you doing with chatbots and how are you using them? Do you want to answer that when you want to? Okay, so part of the reason I'm so enthralled by the chatbot or personal assistant or anything is because the unattended robots that we have, we have problems making sure that people are doing what they're supposed to be doing in prep. We have some in finance. And you know, finance, you have a very fine line of what you can automate and what you need the user to still understand what they're doing, right? And so we felt like we had a really good, you know, combination of that. But in some instances they forget to do things so things aren't there. We get the phone call, the bot broke, right? So part of the thing I'd like to do is I'd like to move that back to an unattended bot and I'm going to put a chatbot in front of it and then all they have to do is type in run my bot and it'll come up, if they have more than one bot, it'll say which one do you want to run? They'll click it and it'll go. Instead of having to go out on their machine, figure out where to go, figure out which button to do and in the chat I can also send them a little message. Did you run your other reports? Did you do this? You know, so I can use it for the end user to make that experience for them better. And plus we've got a lot of IT, we've got a lot of HR stuff that can fold into that and then RPA will be in behind it, kind of the engine on a lot of it. So you've child-proofed the bot. Exactly, there you go, there you go. And it also provides a means to be able to answer those commonly asked questions for like HR, for example. You know, how much vacation time do I have? When can I change my benefits? Examples of those that they answer like frequently every day. So it gives, you know, that provides another avenue for utilization of the chat bot. And if I may, Dave, it sort of, it supports a concept that I know we were talking about yesterday. We call it HFS, it's our AAA trifecta, but it's taking the baseline of automation, it intersects with components of AI and then potentially with analytics. This is starting to touch on some of the opportunities to look at other technologies. You say chat bots, at HFS we don't use the term chat bot just because we like to focus and emphasize the cognitive capability, if you will. But in any case, you guys essentially are saying, well, RPA is doing great for what we're using RPA for, but we need a little bit of extension of functionality. So we're layering in the chat bot or cognitive assistance. So it's a nice example of some of that extension of really seeing how it's, I always call it, it's also the power of and, if you will, how you're going to layer these things in to get what you need out of it, what best solves your business problems. Just a very practical approach, I think. So Lena, Guy has a session tomorrow on prediction, so we're going to end with some predictions. So our RPA is dead, will it be resuscitated? What's the future of RPA look like? Will it live up to the hype? I mean, so many initiatives in our industry haven't. I always criticize enterprise data warehousing and ETL and Hadoop and big data as not living up to the hype. Will RPA? It's got to have a hell of a lot of hype to live up to, I'll tell you that. I mean, back to some of our causality about why we even said it's dead. As a discrete software category, RPA is clearly not dead at all, but unless it's helping to drive forward with transformation and even some of the strategies that these fine ladies from security benefit are utilizing, which is layering in additional technology, that's part of the path there. But honestly, the biggest challenge that you have to go through to get there is and cannot be underestimated is the change that your organization has to go through. Because think about it, if we look at the grand big vision of where RPA and broader intelligent automation takes us, the concept of creating a hybrid workforce, right? So what's a hybrid workforce? Is literally our humans complemented by digital workers. So it still sounds like science fiction. To think that any enterprise could try and achieve some version of that, and that it would be A, fast, or B, not take a lot of change management is absolutely ludicrous. So it's just a very practical approach to be eyes wide open, recognize that you're solving problems, but you have to want to drive change. So to me, and sort of the HFS perspective continues to be that if RPA is not going to die a terrible death, it needs to really support that vision of transformation. And I mean, honestly, we're here at a UI path event. They had many announcements today that they're doing a couple of things, supporting core functionality of RPA, literally adding in process discovery and mining capabilities, adding in analytics. So to help enterprises actually track what your benefit is. These are very practical cases that help RPA live another day, but they're also extending functionality, adding in like their whole announcement around AI fabric, adding in some of the cognitive capability to extend the functionality. And so prediction wise, RPA as we know it three years from now is not going to look like RPA at all.  And it's honestly going to look a lot like that AAA trifecta I mentioned. Well, and UI path and I presume other suppliers as well are expanding their markets, reaching you hear about citizens developers and 100% of the workforce. Obviously you guys are excited and you see a long runway for RPA. I'll give you the last word. It's been a wonderful journey thus far. After this morning's event where they showed us everything, I saw a sneak peek yesterday during the cab and I had a list of things I wanted to talk to her about already when I came out of there. And then she saw more of them today and I've got a pocket full of notes of stuff that we're going to take back and do. I really truly believe this is a future and we can do so much. You know, Six Sigma has kind of gotten a rebirth. You go in and look at your processes and we can get those to perfect. I mean, that's what's so cool. It is so cool that you can actually tell somebody I can do something perfect for you. And how many people get to do that? It's back to the user experience, right? Which is, we can make this wildly functional to meet the need. Right, right, right. I don't think it's RPA is the end-all solution. I think it's just a great tool to add to your toolkit and utilize moving forward. Great. All right, we'll have to leave it there. Thanks, ladies, for coming on. It was a great segment. Really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for watching, everybody. This is Dave Vellante with theCUBE. We'll be right back from UI Path Forward 3 from Las Vegas, right after this short break.


Thank you for joining us.  So glad that you've tuned in to either watch or listen to today's episode. We are talking with one of my favorite, Elizabeth Wesley-Casella, with L12 Services. And she is here with us today to talk about keeping and attracting talent. So not just, you know, keeping them, but how do we attract perhaps new talent that we might be looking for. Julia is missing out on a fantastic conversation, but I know she's doing well. Julia Patrick is the CEO of the American Nonprofit Academy. I'm the non-profit nerd, Jared Ransom, CEO of the Raven Group. And we are so honored to have the continued support of our presenting sponsors. You can see here, Bloomerang, American Nonprofit Academy, fundraising academy, non-profit nerd, your part-time controller, staffing boutique, non-profit thought leader, and the non-profit atlas. So thank you so much to our sponsors that keep these conversations going and growing with the one and only today. Today, Elizabeth, welcome back. So much. It is great to be here and in my own natural habitat this time instead of a hotel room. This is good. This is good. That's right. You joined us last time. You're on the road. You're doing a tour. I think I asked for the tour t-shirt because you're hopping around and taking your services and your talent on the road. So welcome back. I'm thrilled to have you here and thrilled to have you talking about the great resignation. Now that's something that if we have not heard it yet, I think we've been under a rock. But let's start, if you would, by telling us what it is. What is this great resignation that people have been talking about, including ourselves? And then I'd love for you to talk about how this is impacting the non-profit sector. Sure. Well, to simplify it, the great resignation is a point in time in our business ecosystem where we're seeing mass attrition. Large numbers of people are leaving the employment and workforce. And it's as though there's a message in the zeitgeist that is saying, everybody, have you reprioritized your life over this pandemic? Have you figured out where you want work to fall in that list of priorities? And if it's not at the top, think about something different. People are leaving for a wide number of reasons. The majority that we've found through our communication with our clients and other surveys and conversations across the nation is that the number one driver is not money and it's not position. So we're talking about everything from professional development to misaligned priorities, misaligned values, to poor communication from management down to teams. So it can be any number of things, but organizations would be fooling themselves if they thought that the driver was cash. And some organizations, unfortunately, are trying to stem the tide by offering cash or title realignment and it's not working. That is very interesting. And one of the things that I've heard before as a statistic is that many people leave their jobs because of their supervisor, because of their manager. Is that still the case? Is that still the number one reason? It's funny that you say that because I was having a conversation this morning where we were kind of teasing that out. And yes, people leave jobs. People leave people rather than leaving jobs. However, if you don't have communication, are you still leaving a person? So yes, if the scenario is misaligned in values or success isn't a clear defined place that you can get to with clearly identified steps along the way that assure that you're doing a great job and you can actually monitor yourself. But the lack of communication or the idea that communication is just your email newsletter or just the blast email from the leadership and there aren't any real relationships developed, then that's also kind of a vacuum that is people are finding dissatisfaction with and they're leaving that too. And how has that changed? And for those of you watching and those of you listening, none of this is scripted. So these are my genuine questions. How has this changed over the last three years? Because of the highly increased workforce moving to remote or this digital capacity, you know, when I think of communication, and I know if Julia was on, she would talk about the water cooler and how the water cooler conversations aren't really happening anymore. And so there's not a lot of organic relationship conversations happening, you know, like we're not talking about the football game that we all watched on Sunday or, you know, because we're not we're jumping on a zoom call or are we're just down to business and we don't really have that crossover in the hallways. How have you seen that impact because of the remote space? Well, there's there's certainly a brain drain to a certain degree. There is a slowing of the transfer of institutional knowledge. The ability to cross train is more difficult. Everything is by virtue of our distance more complex now. So it does make all of the soft skills stuff like, you know, talking in relationship building and more difficult. And there's no one right size fits all answer. However, the the organizations that are going to be successful in this, and they're going to be standing, you know, two, three years down the road. And I kind of want to get to my crystal ball in that two, three years down the road a little bit. But they're going to be the ones that they either take the time and utilize the resources that they have, because they're big enough to have resources in time to mine what their company culture and ecosystem needs from their current talent now. Or they're going to bring in an organization who specializes in, you know, knowing the questions to ask in the focus groups to hold and has the time to perform that work to get really crystal clear answers about what the workforce wants out of a business. And that, you know, eight to 10 hour a day relationship five days a week or however many you're doing that, you know, you're either going to have to do it yourself or you're going to have to bring somebody else in but you're going to have to find a way to listen to what the needs are of the people. And that's really scary for a lot of organizations, especially the ones that are, you know, kind of an architecture of being very top heavy, not wanting to hear what the staff or the teams or the pods are requesting is a problem we run into a lot. And the excuse is, well, you know, this is a business and there's leadership and we're supposed to drive the, the, you know, direction that we're going. Why do we need to have input from every level? Well, it may not be that every level drives the input for what your organizational goals are, but they definitely should have an input into what the new hybrid work model looks like and other cultural pieces and communication pieces as well. Yeah, absolutely. You know, in the slide that I just pulled up for those of you that saw it is really about what keeps the talent and what helps to attract new talent. And I can only imagine bringing someone in like yourself, Elizabeth, and you are for hire, you are available is this communication. And as you said, it could be as simple as knowing what questions to ask. Right. And so can you give us some more examples of, you know, how do we attract new talent and how the heck do we keep the great talent that we already have? I'm going to do that kind of backward and start with how do we keep the talent that we already have because that's a great way to get new talent. The talent that we already have, we're finding that there's a lot of traction and conversation surrounding state interviews right now. And it's an opportunity for an organization with existing high caliber talent and well functioning teams to really mind what it looks like from the individual's point of view to weigh your options. What is it about the current organization that they really love? And if they had a super great offer from somebody else, what would it be possible to counter with to keep them there? Getting that knowledge and kind of storing it away to utilize it and act on it in different ways, not just individual specific is a gold mine. So when you're talking about, you know, getting to know your people and relationship development, that's a really great activity to be able to undertake. Now, along with that, people come to work and this is an opportunity for them to release one less variable in their life. What I mean by that is we are all challenged right now with so many things that are out of our control. We don't really know when we can go to a giant concert next. We don't know when we can see our family next or if we make plans now, if we can have it happen in the fall. There are so many things we don't know. We're still doing it, you know, children and school and grocery delivery and all of that. Great point. Yeah, great point. So if people can look at their work environment without having a lot of things that are out of their control, like if they know what success looks like, if they know what the quarterly goals are, if they know what annual goals are, if they know what the processes are, they can go to work every day or, you know, work from remote every day. When I say go to work, I mean, put your mind there and accomplish the tasks that tick off that checklist that say, I've performed what's been required of me or asked of me or maybe even more and I was successful today and those little wins on top of each other, they add up being able to know that you work in an environment where there isn't a lot of chaos and craziness, takes so much off of your shoulders and frees up so much in your mind. The organizations that have, you know, dialed into their processes and re-reviewed their policies and created workflow maps rather than SOPs, giving a visual that you can take a quick thumbnail of rather than read a bunch of text. Those are the organizations that are seeing their people stay. Wow. And just for the record, you said SOP, not SOB, right? There's not a lot of text in SOB, yes. That is brilliant and not something that I would have ever considered. So when you said to, you know, when you shared, going to work and again, wherever your mind is and placed in that workspace and having that part of your day being somewhat controllable or somewhat knowledgeable about, you know, what's going to happen that day makes so much sense because you're right. We haven't seen family or we're navigating family challenges and issues and health concerns. Perhaps we scheduled a vacation and we don't know if we're going to be able to enter into this vacation or even maintain that vacation. So there's so much going on and that had not even come into my thought process, Elizabeth, at all. I mean, I always learn from these episodes. Again, for me to start my day, again, I start in the morning with the episode. I know many of you are joining us across the world. And so, you know, you're joining us at all different times or watching the recording. But that for me is already a huge, huge takeaway. I would love it if you could go a little bit more into the stay interviews because I know I've heard it a handful of times, but I'm curious. It might be new to some people. What is a stay interview? What does it look like? What's the purpose? If you can dive a little deeper there? Certainly. The purpose is to find out what will, you know, compel your current talent to stay at your workplace. And the way that it's delivered is usually through, you know, someone in HR or someone who comes in as a consultant. It's not usually like a 360 where you're dealing one-on-one with your manager. The way that they're formed, I've seen them, you know, in a wide variety of links, a wide variety of questions, but one really great resource to tap into if you're interested in finding out, you know, more details about, you know, what types of questions are asked is to log into the SHRM, SHRM website. They have a list of a couple different resources, and I think they have their own best practices kind of list of questions as well. That's a really helpful one. And if it's from SHRM, you know that it's high quality and, you know, best in brand. Great resource. Yeah, SHRM. And again, I think you shared what it is, but that is best practice for HR procedures, policies, whatnot. And so that's a great place to go to. Okay, I shared with you before we went live, but there are companies, for-profit and not-for-profit, that make the list of the best places to work, right? How do we get there? How do we get on a list? Like, what are these companies doing right that makes their employees say, heck, yes, I want to work here? Because someone's doing the right thing. I applaud any organization that is being called out for having a great ecosystem. As far as the lists are concerned, I don't know who's compiling them. Nobody's ever reached out to me. But that said, what the activity is about featuring really great opportunities for other people to consider. And I'm all about that. The thing that I think non-profits specifically need to be looking out for or address right now in order to consider themselves leading the way is whether or not their people have burnout or are approaching burnout. I know it's, you know, between the phrase, the great resignation and the idea of burnout, people are already burned out by those two. Unfortunately, that's where I swim, so that's what we're going to talk about for a second. The non-profit world is comprised of people who don't just have a job. They don't just go to work for the paycheck or the benefits. For the most part, people in non-profits go to work because they have a passion. What they do is important to them, and it's highly valued, and it aligns with their values. And they're trying to make a difference in the world. So when we come to a situation where nobody was prepared for transition to work from home, but we had to do it, and then there's a transition that's either in the works or may have not quite had the trigger pulled on it for hybrid, or maybe it hasn't, it's rolled back. Like all of those things mean that the people doing the work are relatively likely to be doing more than the job or different activities with alongside their job than what they were hired to do. And they're not complaining about it, and they're not necessarily talking about it. They're not bringing it up to their managers. And I'm not saying that this is a golden ticket for everybody to say, I work for a non-profit, and I do too much. I'm taking the next two weeks off, no notice. What I'm trying to say is that the people who have been working in the non-profit sector have been really juggling the balls and spinning the plates. And we're two years in now, two years plus, it's time to be able to give them some of your time and sit down with them and talk about what it is that they actually are doing these days, because none of our processes are the same. Most of our policies have changed, and along with that, that means job descriptions have too. So if you usually have a one hour or a two hour a year sit down with your employee, why don't you do like a 90 minute once every two months for the next two quarters and really talk through what do they do? How do they do it? Does it match what their job description says? Do they understand their gates of responsibility, meaning do they know who did what before them and what it should look like when it hits their desk and what a completed product should look like when it leaves their desk for the next person? Having those types of conversations where the person doing the work gets to have a voice and also maybe gets to have some innovative ideas and bring up some potential solutions is a game changer. That is the type of value system that people that work in nonprofits really, you know, it's a common thread through all of the conversations that we've had with the nonprofits we've worked with. And so giving people of your time and listening to them and encouraging them with professional development or personal development, those are the type of well-rounded people that make it through these types of crisis feeling good about where they work. You know, I couldn't have said it better because I think when you ask most nonprofit professionals why you work, where you work, it's they're passionate about the mission, right? You rarely hear I make a heck of a lot of money in my paycheck. You rarely hear, oh, my job's super easy. I could do it in my sleep. Like it is always, I am passionate about our mission. I love who we are, what we do, how we serve. And I think that is, you know, very valuable to know and to keep. And as you said, policies have changed, very likely systems have changed so that there's a time to look at those efficiencies. Let's look at returning to work roadmap. And this could go a lot of different directions pun intended with the roadmap, right? What are you seeing in the work that you offer with L12 services? We're seeing that the good will of an organization to bring in an unbiased third party and talk about, you know, whether it's small contract training or workshops or if it's large contract white glove overhaul of systems policies and procedures is really going a long way. And I'm not saying that to sound self serving. The reason why we're finding that that's successful for nonprofits and other organizations is because that third party with it with no dog in the fight and the ability to listen provides a level of almost comfort and transparency for the necessary conversations that need to happen, whether they're interviews or their focus groups. People will talk to someone they don't report to and that they don't think will impact their longevity at an organization much more readily than they will someone within the organization. Now I need to caveat that with we believe firmly in the work that HR does and sometimes those types of conversations happen through HR. We don't compete with HR. We support HR. Oftentimes HR will be the gateway with which we come into help an organization because they say people see us as part of the team and if we're having this conversation it's like intramurals and we'd like you as a third party to come in to work with us hold these conversations hold these focus groups and then we can create policy together. So it's not a one or the other situation it's actually collaborative support. But the other thing that we're finding because this is kind of twofold the other thing that we're finding is the return to work roadmap often identifies resources and resource reallocation as a common solution and you know it's not always the workers or the staff that knows where the money comes in or how it's spent but they definitely know what platforms work best for their jobs whether or not they need all of those platforms being able to talk about you know communications policies as they align with people's work hours or work product or the type of communication that they're they're sharing. Those types of resources they could be hardware software or cash are good conversations to be able to hold at every level of the organization and have people give input that gets acted upon because there's nothing worse than like holding surveys or holding polls and then the people who've taken the time to complete that survey realize nobody's going to act on the time that I just spent filling that out really thoughtfully darn that that you know creates dissatisfaction. So when when we're talking about resources and and how best to utilize them having the conversation with everybody involved allows for question and answer innovative thought and and use suggestions and deeper understanding in what the organization is doing at that snapshot in time where everything stands what your ability is to grow or to move forward or create new programs and a more well informed workforce is a workforce that is more likely going to become interested in solving problems and feeling as though the responsibility of their job is something they take personally rather than just a task list to complete. Elizabeth I could talk to you for hours and I know many others probably could as well because this continues to be a growing concern and as we started this isn't only impacting the nonprofit sector this is impacting each and every industry across our world you know looking at the return to work roadmap looking at new policies and structures and schedules I know that I've even been a part of onboarding new employees and the interview process and the negotiation process included a hybrid commitment right saying we'd love to take this opportunity however I have family commitments and x y and z commitments wouldn't be possible for me to work two days a week three days in the office and really have you know more or less that that flexible schedule. So if you like what you heard are you like who you heard it from I hope that you will reach out to l12services.com. Elizabeth is the founder and CEO she's phenomenal she works out of the DC area but works across the nation and has helped even international organizations I believe I I know one in particular that is housed in the states but has served internationally so I'm just speaking for my own personal experience. Elizabeth thank you this has been a phenomenal conversation I feel like we barely just scratched the surface so we might need to have you back on for another episode um but please if anyone is interested I will I will tell you she's active on LinkedIn as well and would probably welcome your connection. I would welcome the connection I would welcome that I would welcome an opportunity to talk about what's after the great resignation so yes yes and yes thank you. What a teaser after the great resignation I love that. Well Julia I knew I knew she was going to miss a phenomenal episode but she will be back tomorrow and as will I Jarrett Ransom the non-profit nerd if you missed today's episode or you missed parts of it or you think you might have missed an unnugget of information that Elizabeth dropped please do go back to any of these platforms we're on Roku YouTube Amazon Fire TV Vimeo and we are just shy of showing up as holograms in your living room and on your couch with you we're working on we're working on that software next but the non-profit show is going and growing strong coming up on our 500th episode again thanks to uh to you Elizabeth as our guest today and thanks to all of our sponsors that continue the investment not only here in these episodes and the conversations but the sector at large so again I'd like to acknowledge blimmering and American non-profit academy also fundraising academy non-profit nerd your part-time controller staffing boutique non-profit thought leader and the non-profit atlas thank you to our sponsors again these companies exist to help you do more good in and around and throughout your communities to support your greater mission as do we each and every weekday again it started as a labor of love and now it's what I love waking up to to have high level conversations like the one we had with Elizabeth today thank you Elizabeth and thanks to everyone that joined us thank you so much yeah it was fantastic and we end every episode and I will continue to do so to please stay well so that you can do well thanks again and we'll see you back here tomorrow


All right, good morning and welcome to this morning's class Thank you for being a part of the session We will pray and get into what we are going to learn regarding the subject of faith So let's start with a word of prayer. I'll just lead us in prayer. Okay. Let's pray Heavenly Father, we thank you Lord for this day. We thank you for your word in our lives Father, we thank you for Lord your grace and strength with which you are leading us and guiding us Father even as we Spend time in your word Lord. We pray that the Holy Spirit will just bring it alive Make it alive to us Father God that we may continue to be Firm and anchored in the things of the kingdom. Thank you Lord. Thank you for Your presence.  We pray amen so we're talking about faith and We saw how in the ministry of Jesus Jesus taught us Insights about faith. He helped us understand what faith is how to apply faith in our lives and we also saw how You know, we must engage or we must have faith in our hearts and when we apply it We will see mighty things So there are many aspects that we have discussed but today what we will touch upon is two things one is Faith in the Old Testament So so far we saw the gospels where Jesus is speaking about faith. Jesus is teaching about faith Jesus is walking in faith And several incidents in the life of Jesus. So all of that is in the New Testament But what about the Old Testament? Are there any incidents? Are there any? You know sort of Life experiences of people that tell us that they also walked in faith Well, we have an entire passage in the New Testament, which is Hebrews chapter 11 that talks about the faith journey of People in the Old Testament. So when we look at the passage in Habakkuk chapter 2 and verse 4 Habakkuk in the Old Testament is a book You know, if you want to turn to it, but we have that right here In our notes that scripture from Habakkuk chapter 2 and verse 4 Which says behold the proud his soul is not upright in him, but the just Shall live by faith. So In the Old Testament, there is a mention of this word called as faith We may think that faith is only mentioned in the New Testament But even in the Old Testament the word faith has been used But the other word that we see are used most often is the word believed So instead of faith which directly tells us about applying faith The word believed is used now. We know that believe is what? Believe is to have faith Isn't it? So there are people in the Old Testament who have walked in faith who have believed in God So, let's just see who are some of these people. What is it that they were able to accomplish through their lives? So Hebrews chapter 11 Verses 1 to 40 It's quite a long passage. So I'm just thinking how we are going to read this Okay, I'm not sure if we can pass the mic around to Make distance Okay Okay, Nonsingh, can you read 10 verses? Will you be able to read 10 verses? Yeah Read 10 verses then we can have somebody online Maybe I'll just call out names. Then it's easier at least you're prepared. So Hebrews chapter 11 Verses 1 to 10 Nonsingh will read from verse 11 to verse 20 Okay, we can have anyone here Maybe as the as the Clement sister, is that okay? Can you read 10 verses? Okay, yes, okay. She says yes, then verse 21 to verse 30 one more person Who will read? Mike can come. Okay. Who would like to read? You can volunteer anyone Okay Okay, so Deeksha We read from verse 21 to verse 30 and sister Gertrude, you can read the last portion. Is that okay? Yeah, I think we have divided it. So let's start just read slowly so that we can understand what it says and true in he being that still speaks By fat enough was taken away so that he did not see that and was not found because God had taken him for before he was taken he had this testimony that he pleased God But without that it is impossible to please him Poor he who comes to God must believe that he is and That he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him By fat Noah being divinely warned of things not seen yet Not yet seen moved with godly fear Prepared and up for the saving of his household By which he condemned the world and become here of the righteousness which is according to fat By fat Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place Which he would receive as an inheritance and he went out not going where he was going By fat he dwell in the lane of promise as in a foreign country Willing in the tents with Isaac and Jacob The hears with him of the same promise For he wait for a city which was foundations Whose builder and maker is God? Okay. Thank you. Thank you non-sing. So we have seen this passage that explains What faith is? Okay verse one it says now faith is the substance of things Hoped for the evidence of things not seen so the definition of faith and then what does it say it says For by it the elders obtained a good testimony So basically what it's saying is elders is who elders is all these people Who have been listed and maybe even others who are not listed here But what is the testimony of their lives? What is the testimony had faith? Okay, even though in the old testament you don't find such a sentence where it says Noah walked by faith or Jacob walked by faith you won't see a sentence like that because that word faith is not directly used But we can understand from their lives that they believed now. How can we understand from their lives that they believed? Okay, God spoke to them. God spoke to them. That's right Anything more that tells us that these people believed in God. They believed in the promise of God Just think of all their lives right now in this passage. We've heard some names able Noah Abraham So how can we tell that these people believed in God? What what is it about their life that makes us understand these people believed in God? They obeyed God then Okay, here also in the comments it's Lucy says they obeyed When God asked them to do something Okay, they obeyed God I couldn't hear you Have a relationship A little bit louder By action, okay, very good. That's true. So see we could by looking at somebody's life. How can we tell Whether they had faith or not Because the actions that they took That tells us What they had in their heart for example able It says what does it say about able verse 4 by faith able offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than kain Okay Think about this able in the bible Right You don't read about him after Genesis Only once Kain and able, you know, they made the sacrifices kain killed able. That's all We don't know anything more about able in the bible, right? But in Hebrews chapter 11 Which is talking about faith It mentions the name of this man called as able why Because God remember we said God can recognize faith Where is faith? Faith is in the heart So when God looks at people, he knows Who is carrying faith in their hearts? That is why when we look at the life of able God understood that this man able In what he did we only read about him making a sacrifice only one activity It's not like, you know a story Like Paul Paul with Paul had so many missionary journeys. He established so many churches He raised up so many leaders nothing much compared to Paul is written in the bible only one sacrifice Only one But what is so special? He did only one thing That was recorded But he did it with faith You got it So that's so important That God did not Uh talk about the number of things that people have done He did one thing sacrifice at least one thing that's recorded here But God knew here is a man of faith Whatever he is doing he's doing with faith Isn't it? So both came and able gave sacrifice But why did God accept the sacrifice of able? And Keynes was rejected Not because you know what they brought to God that is not the issue The issue was Was their faith in the sacrifice This is the same way in which God works today When he looks at our lives, maybe I'm doing one small thing very small thing but Even in that small thing, what does God notice? Faith Isn't it? That is what we understand from the life of able. Why is able mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11 that man did only one a so-called Recorded thing which is to make a sacrifice to God but faith of able Is what pleased God Okay, so think like that God is recognizing faith and there are people men and women of God noticed in The Old Testament whom God is praising or commending for their faith So able a man of faith who else is there? Let's look Enoch It says Enoch. How much do we read about Enoch in the Bible? Anyone are we reading our Bibles? In the Yeah, just one or two sentences. What does it say Enoch walk with God? Okay, and then you know God took him that's all But again, what is so special about Enoch? man of faith So unless he had faith He would not fellowship so deeply with God So God is recognizing that and he's saying again Enoch a man of faith Enoch walk with God, right? and Continues to say in verse 6 that without faith that is impossible to please God So what does it mean that without faith that is impossible to please God? It simply means That when we want to please God with our lives With every offering that we give what are all the offerings our praises our obedience our You know giving to God and our commitment to the things that God has called us to do So all these things The question is am I doing it just like that? Or am I doing it with faith because God can recognize So if I want my life to be pleasing to God in everything Everything I must do it with faith Faith pleases God without faith. It is impossible to please God. So if I do something In some activity, um, I engage in some ministry, but I don't have any faith in my heart God actually doesn't like that, you know, when we are functioning in unbelief doubt He doesn't like that But when we are functioning in faith, he's very happy about it So that is why even though there are people like Abel and Enoch who don't have great accomplishments in scriptures We still talk about them because Whatever little they seem to have done They did it with faith And God never forgot Isn't it he never forgot Abel Enoch he remembered their names and it got included in the New testament when God was trying to explain to us about faith. Okay. Who are the other names here? Let's notice Noah Okay, so what is so special about Noah? How did he demonstrate his faith? You know, no, I know the man who built the ark Yes, yes, sister Okay, okay, sure. Thank you. So, um, sister Gertrude says he demonstrated his faith with godly fear That's true. Um, what about the actions of Actions of Noah, what did he do? Yeah So he built an ark in response to God's instruction It's only if he believed That what God said is true That he would need to build an ark because Till that time you don't really read about a rain You don't really read about floods Isn't it so, uh When God told him there is going to be a flood. I'm going to destroy the whole world It would have taken faith. Why because you know faith is about the unseen things Nobody has ever seen a flood before that but When God told Noah there is going to be a flood He believed He just believed God And it's not easy to build the ark That he built you know the dimensions of the ark if you just go and study that a little bit It was a huge vessel huge ship that he had to build So you can think about the life of Noah That Faith was not for one moment. It would have taken him months of you know, so many Days to actually build that that ark lot of effort Daily you can imagine him going and you know sitting and Sort of nailing the wood on the ark and Continuing to to build it the way God wanted it People would have laughed at him and said what are you doing? What is a flood? We don't know what a flood is so He would have experienced Shame from the community for what he believed But he continued to do it. He trusted in God. He believed God. He obeyed God He had the fear of God if God said it he will do it. I better have this ship ready Okay, so that is the example of Noah and there were sinful people around him Right, we don't find that Noah went and he preached to the people nothing just by his life example People around him were convicted or people around him felt that you know Um They see it says by which he condemned the world How did Noah condemn? He didn't go around telling everybody you are wrong. You are wrong. You are wrong. He didn't do that But when he lived his life by faith That automatically even though he never said a word People around him were condemned for the wrong that they were living in So a good testimony a good life Is very very important and that Through faith now, let's move on the next person who's talked about here is Abraham So it says Abraham. What did he do? Couple of things are mentioned here But we will learn more about Abraham in the next chapter. It says by faith Abraham obeyed And he went right not knowing where he was going.  Only because of faith Abraham was willing to go To the place that God had promised to him. So that is the faith journey of Abraham. So he went He went in search of that promised land and Yeah, he trusted in God Because God is the one who is the builder right of of Um the eternal city. So now let us read from verse 11 to verse 20 Um sister ester ester clement. Yes, sister. Yeah, he grew chapter 11 verse from 11 by faith Abraham even though he was past age and Sarah herself was barren Was unable to become a father because he considered himself faithful who had made the promise And so from this one man and he is as good as dead came descendants as numerous As the stars in the sky and as countless as a sand on the seashore All these people were still living by faith when they died They did not receive the things promised. They only saw them and welcomed them from a distance And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own If they had been thinking of the country they had left He would have had the opportunity to return Instead they were longing for a better country for heavenly one Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God for he has prepared a city for them By faith Abraham when God tested him offered Isaac as a sacrifice He who had received the promise was about to sacrifice his one and only son Even though God had said to him it is through Isaac that your outstring will be reckoned Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead and figuratively speaking He did receive Isaac back from death by faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Isau in regard to their future Okay, thank you. Thank you so much So we see the life of Abraham Over here and then you know towards the end How he's blessing Jacob and Isau so when we consider the life of Abraham It lists out some of the other things that happened. So there's a mention of his wife Sarah We all know that God promised Abraham that he will have a son in his old age He and his wife both of them were old And he promised that they will have their own child and descendants right through that child but It required faith For Abraham to believe this it required faith for Abraham to Journey with God to receive the promise of a son Was that journey easy? It was not easy We will study about it when we learn the life of about the life of Abraham You know he He God gave a vision First of all, you need to be walking in faith to receive a vision Second to a journey towards that vision You need faith Okay to receive the manifestation of that vision. You need faith. So Abraham has an exceptional faith journey. That is why we call him the father of faith The father of faith because from the life of Abraham We can learn many things about what faith really is Okay, so about Abraham we've seen even Sarah it says By faith Sarah meaning In her old age she bore a son Obviously, it's not Common thing for somebody who is so Older in years to bear a child and she was also, you know, sort of Barren at that point and yet a miracle happened How was a miracle possible? Giving birth to a miracle starts with faith In the midst of an impossibility Right, how did the miracle happen? It says by faith Sarah So in the midst of an impossibility for us to See a miracle take place. We need to have faith in God. That is the testimony of Sarah and then we go on to read. What are some of the other things in the life of Abraham? You know, he continued in faith Out of whatever was promised to him some things took place in his lifetime But there are many other promises which were meant to be fulfilled later Right in the generations to come and then we also see how Abraham was faithful to God to even offer up his son Isaac So think about this His dream was to You know to Have a son and Have his generation continuing Finally after waiting upon the Lord God gives him blessings him with a son called Isaac, right? Isaac means what laughter? So Isaac brought joy into Abraham's life But then came a period of testing Where God said can you sacrifice Isaac? What does the bible say the bible says that in verse 19 In verse 17 it says he offered up Isaac meaning whatever God said he did it He was ready. He woke up early in the morning took his son to the mountain He was ready to sacrifice his son. But why why was he ready to sacrifice his son? Let's read verse 19. It says concluding that God was able to raise him up So think about the the Faith of Abraham What did he know? God said He will bless me with a son and through the sun I will have descendants on the earth. So here is the son Isaac God's promise is still not fulfilled. But what is God telling him?  He cannot Because the promise of God says that he will give me a generation through my son So God is asking me to sacrifice Isaac.  How he understood God? You know, how um, his heart was filled with confidence About the goodness of God the greatness of God, right? So these are all things for us to think about From the journey of Abraham and then it goes on to say that by faith You know like after Abraham Isaac is there Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come So We won't get into the details of this But just for us to understand that they kept believing God for the blessing upon their generations So how did they how did they speak? Over the lives of their children for example Isaac Isaac has two sons Jacob and Esau so he blessed them by faith Okay, so faith is continuing. Whatever these people are doing. They are doing because they believe Right. So even blessing the the Children They even they won't be here to see their children thriving But by faith they are blessing their children and saying that yes They will do well and that shows faith in their hearts. Now. Let's read on. We'll read the next section here Let's go from verse 21 to verse 30 Who will read it diksha Please go ahead by faith When he was dying blessed each of the sons of joseph and worshiped leaning on the top of the staff by faith When he was dying made mention of the departure of the children of israel and gave instruction concerning his boys By faith moses when he was born was hidden three months by his parents Because they saw he was a beautiful child and they were not afraid of the king's command By faith moses when he became of age Refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter choosing rather to suffer Affliction with the pupil of god then to enjoy the passing pleasure of sin Steaming the The reproach of christ greater riches than the treasure in is it for he looked to the reward by faith He also is it Not fearing the breath of the king for he endured as seeing him who is invisible by faith He kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood Let's Mr. He who destroyed the first born suit Just then by faith they passed through the red sea as by dry land Whereas the egyptian and tempting to do so World round by faith the walls of xerico Well fell up fell down after they were encircled for seven days. Okay. Thank you for that. So we can see um new names We can see jacob jacob, uh, how he blessed his sons and uh, we See how joseph When he died When he was about to die He mentioned to Uh, the people how he must be buried. So all these things they did by looking into the future They had no idea how the future would be but they had the promises of god They had the guidance of god Um regarding the way things would go. So based on all this they made decisions. They blessed people they gave instructions and you know, they Passed on then we come to the life of moses Uh, moses is another man of faith We see that his parents had faith at a time when the young ones were being sacrificed They believed that their son could escape Okay, uh, and uh, we all know what they did. They hid him In a basket and they kind of you know, uh, um sent that basket towards Uh, the the palace and then finally moses ended up becoming pharaoh's daughter's son and he was raised in the palace but Uh In his heart moses was stirred up to do something for the people of god because he recognized Where he came from, uh, and we see the various accomplishments that took place through moses the way he led the people for the way he, uh guided the people out of egypt and even uh in the Here the mention is more about Being led out of egypt. Okay. So, uh, that is mentioned but then he did it by faith Okay, and uh, we see how the people they passed through the red sea That is also by faith. Obviously, you know, you cannot do something like that. Uh, just through your logical understanding So people pass through the red sea by faith But notice what it says it says whereas the egyptians attempting to do so were drowned What is the difference? the red sea parted right and uh, the uh, the israelites They walked out safe and sound Why did the egyptians Who were also trying to walk Through the red sea. Why did they die? What is the difference? Was there any difference? correct correct, so faith is the that differentiator or faith is the element which the Israelites had Whereas the egyptians did not have it Now the egyptians might have thought this is a formula We can go we can you know show us stuff The civil part we will walk through because that is what they observed Moses do and the Israelites do But even if they were to copy the principle It won't work Because it's more than those actions. It's more than the formula. What is there behind the actions? faith God will protect god will lead god will guide Isn't it god will give us a better future that is the faith with which the Israelites actually Yes, yes sister get through but even if the egyptians they had faith they would not survive because it was not In god's plan, no Even if they had faith they would not survive because it was god's plan that they will be drowned Hmm Even if they had faith in who faith in god Yes, they would not survive crossing the red sea So when we say it was in god's plan Um Like are you saying that based on some some worse sister? Is that a is that an earlier verse because i'm not able to recall where it says that Egyptians had no faith so they got drowned But even if they had faith It was not in god's plan that they would be saved Okay, I I get what you're saying. I'm asking you When you say that it was not in god's plan Uh, is there a scripture? Where we can see that it was not in god's plan for them to live Uh sister because they were I mean they have I mean mistreated the israelites and god's plan was to save them And you know, I'm sure that he's the glory to egyptian till the end that he is the god in control, right? From the scriptures we understand Okay, so sister see, uh, I do know that the scriptures promise Deliverance deliverance for um the israelites Now egyptians if let's say one egyptian had faith, okay? The reason why I am asking you is because unless it says outright Outrightly that yes the egyptians all egyptians will die We can't make that comment and say it was in god's plan For them to die even if they had faith they would die Unless there is a scripture that says that's what god intended for every egyptian to die Or the ones who are chasing the israelites to die So at least I can't think of a scripture like that. I'll just come to the others. There are some comments here where Sanja says if the egyptians had faith in god, they would not have opposed moses they would have let the israelites free and a child says Exodus 14 13 and moses said unto the people fear hearing not stand still and see the salvation of the lord Which he will show you today for the egyptians whom he have seen today He shall see them again. No more forever. Okay. Sure. Okay. So based on that. I think you could Uh, you could say that the oppressing egyptians It was that god said That they would not see them anymore, which may imply that you know, they would die Okay, so Fine that that is established. Now this hypothetical scenario where a sister get out of saying what if if they had faith Okay, what if they had faith? Now, I really don't know. I really don't know how that that Can be assessed Can I can I please go ahead? Please go ahead? Yeah, uh, it bible clearly says that They trusted in their horses in their chariots and they were unbelievers. So As we go by the word, they never had any faith in uh, the heavenly father so Whether they had faith also, they would have opposed The people of god who has whom he has selected and relieved. So in this situation, it is very evident that their faith was in their might in their horses in their chariots And uh, so that is where we can say that they never believed that you know, they will be able to overcome the heavenly father Yeah, so yes, uh, uh, sister. I agree with you. So what Uh, sister get through to saying is What has happened that we know? Okay, they didn't have faith and that is why based on the scripture which a charles has posted They died Now this is a hypothetical situation where we are saying we know what has happened, but what if What if is a it's an imaginary situation? Okay, now If they had faith i'm thinking Maybe the scripture which we see here I don't know if god would have said something different Uh reason is i'll tell you why i'm thinking along these lines because if they had faith to destroy the believers It is not uh, they would have had faith to do what They would have faith that they would overcome the israelites. What would they have the faith in this scenario? Okay, fine. So, uh, the way I have understood sister get through this statement is faith in god for something positive if at all Okay, the reason is see you have people like root You have people like rehab They are all not From abraham's line. They are not descendants of abraham's line and yet they expressed faith in god And because of which their lives their destiny was changed. So there are times when god has Accommodated or he has accepted people outside of the jewish Uh line You got it But that is only in the situation when they had faith in god in the positive way So any other faith is not faith at all. So when sister get root said what if they had faith? I was thinking along those lines. So I hope You know, we we are just good with that discussion and that discussion didn't confuse anyone Okay, akhil Sister, I didn't say that what if they had faith I said sister that even if they had faith it was in god's plan that they would not survive If they had faith It it was god's plan that they would not survive because they had oppressed the people of israel And god had already planned, you know that the israelis will go through the red sea and he will drown the egyptians Okay, so based on uh, this passage that we saw Yes, you know god did know that they will not survive All right, sure Yeah Yes Exactly Exactly. So that's the whole point when we use the term faith itself Yeah, so see faith is not a standalone. That's what we discussed in our last class We can't just say that I believe and it'll happen That is not faith at all So whenever we use the word faith it is understood that we are talking about faith in god faith in the promises of god Faith towards god. So that is our understanding of faith Just believing is not faith. I we can believe anything we want Okay, so anyway, so I guess uh, it was uh an interesting discussion there Uh, so thank you all for that. Uh, we can move ahead. So we talked about uh, moses And we talked about the israelites coming out of egypt Did we see anyone else's name so far? No, but we Read about jericho. Okay jericho led by Joshua the people led by joshua Saw the jericho wall fall down Okay, and we've talked about this many times that this is also unusual. How can something like this happen? It's similar to the red sea parting only because of faith. All right, so let's um move ahead Uh, if there is any question you can ask me or if not We'll just read the last section. So who is the person who will read the last section Hebrews 11 30 31 By by faith the harlot rehab did not perish with those who did not believe When she had received the spies with peace and what more shall I say for the time would fail me to Of guideon and barak and samson and jeftar also of david and samuel and the prophet Who through faith subdued kingdoms worked righteousness obtained promises stopped the mouths of lions When the violence of fire Escaped the edge of the sword out of weakness were made strong became valiant in Battle turned to flight the armies of the aliens women deceived their dead race to life again Others were tortured not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection Still others had trial of mocking and scourging yet and of change and imprisonment They were stoned. They were sawn into what tempted was slain with the sword They wandered about the ship skins and goat skins being destitute afflicted Tormented of whom the world was not worthy They wandered in deserts and mountains in dens and caves of the earth and all this having obtained a good testimony through faith did not receive the promise God having provided something better For us that they should not be made perfect apart from us Okay, thank you sister. So as we can see here There is a list of other names such as Um, Rehab remember I told you Rehab. She's not from the line of Abraham, but only because of her faith God blessed her. So when we say faith it means faith in God Okay, so she escaped all the people in Jericho died But Rehab escaped because of her faith in God Then we see other names over here such as uh, Gideon Barak Samson Jefta David Samuel and the prophets to each one We can actually meditate on their lives and learn so much No, it'll be a sermon in itself But we don't have that kind of time But I would encourage you you can go back and reflect on the lives of these people and see what makes them special For example Gideon.  I can't do it but by faith He went and he won the battle to protect his people Similarly, each one has a story Barak You know the the uh life of Deborah how she she instructed, uh, you know Barak How they killed the king of Cicera So there is so much that you can learn about how they function in faith for the victory which they received Samson, you know even Samson, uh the the various victories that he had it was by faith Okay, of course initially he carried on his faith and towards the end He tried to play with God and you know, it really uh destroyed his life. So Samson and Jephtha David Samuel so each one has a story So the Bible tells us there are great things that people have done By faith what kind of great things it says substitute kingdoms meaning they have one Wars they have won the enemies one over the enemies Right, they have subdued kingdoms. They've taken over kingdoms It also tells us that they have worked righteousness or they have lived a life of righteousness how by faith In a sinful world, how can one live a life of righteousness by faith?  So there are so many accomplishments, but everything is possible by Faith and this is a real reminder for us that people have walked by faith and God still Is so happy about it. Uh, why not each of us also has a life of faith? Imagine if we were mentioned in this passage, what would God say about us?  Okay, so at this point, let's go ahead Let's take a break. Uh, there's a question, but we will take it after the break. Uh, all right So 10 minutes break. Let's come back at 10 o'clock and continue our discussion Thank you


Hi everybody Joe for jazzy's case breaks comm coming at you with 21 22 panini select basketball full case break We're going tiered random teams So it's only a 10-spot break. So yes That means a lot better odd to get some of the nicer teams in this all-card ship and each spot has three teams So that's pretty nice big. Thanks to this group for making it happen Thanks to the people who bought their spot straight up and then appreciate the people who tried those two fillers Congrats the winners for those two filler breaks There are the comboed up teams. Let's roll and rando five and a five Ten the hard way for names and teams. It's a ten the hard way. Good luck everybody one two three four Six and 10th and final time We got Tim down to Brandon after ten Five and a five ten the hard way for the teams. Good luck fingers crossed one two three four five six seven eight nine and 10th and final time we got the Warriors group down to the okc group Here's how it shakes out All right, so Tim With the Golden State Warriors T Wolves and Atlanta combo Daniel with the Laker Celtics Pacers Seam flat magic Nick's sons Sean Mavs Pelicans Gris Raphael Raptors Blazers and Nets Tristan rockets clippers and spurs and Pistons heat and jazz Alan calves bulls wizards sugar bean with the Nuggets Kings Bucks and Brandon with okc Hornets and the Sixers Let's order these alphabetically by there by the first team right there All right, and we're gonna pause the video when we come back We're gonna see if there's any trades then the break stick around BRB All right, welcome back everybody. No deals were done in this tiered a random team break So that list right there remains the same This unlocks the promo the promo randomizer will be will be right after this and there's 2122 select basketball All 12 boxes Let's see Get some monsters out of here. It'd be pretty nice Boxes back there and six boxes in front right over here Okay, Cunningham on the front So we're looking for three autographs or three memorabilia cards per box on average We got a we got the Celtics cruising They're up 127 to 80 on the Brooklyn Nets in Boston 530 left in the fourth quarter Copy at the office for the Brooklyn Nets. I think the next ESPN game is Atlanta in Phoenix Trailblazers leading the Grizzlies 120 to 111 With less than 30 seconds up in the game. Wow Damian Lillard with 40 points Ten assists a block John Moran 32 not enough 32 9 and 12 30 point triple double probably in the Could happen All right Let's see what can happen in here. Good luck everybody. Thanks again for filling this up We've got a Scotty Barnes rookie card and a Keon Johnson to 199 for the Clippers That's gonna be I gotta find where all the all where all these teams are now Clippers are part of the Rockets group. So Tristan with that one the Scotty Barnes will go to Toronto. That'll be for Raphael Carleton Towns these are not numbered and we got a TJ Warren Throwback Jersey TJ Warren for Phoenix. That's gonna go to Stephen Flatt with the Magic Knicks Suns combo Evan Mobley for Alan and the calves It's premier level and a redemption and he guesses on the redemption and an unstoppable Jason Tatum. I Don't know our how are these rare? I'm not sure could be short printed. We'll send that to the Celtics And we got a Paul George Paul George relic for the Clippers That will be for Tristan Chris Paul die cut got a Josh Giddy rookie card and a Steph Curry Green five out of five Tim with the Warriors Warriors come out to play and All aboard the Big Hit Express Chris Paul die cut to 249 for Phoenix. That'll be for Stephen Flatt If the Josh Giddy for OKC that's gonna be for Brandon No guesses on the redemption Well, it's James book night Rookie neon green at Prisms. He is a Hornet. I want to say Up. He's with Charlotte. That's gonna go to The OKC Hornet Sixers combo Brandon. Yeah, that's Steph Curry Not bad on the centering could grade real nicely. All right next box What else is happening here thunder leading the Rockets 77 75 a few minutes left in the third Warriors leading the Tim rules 83 76 Four minutes left in the third few seconds left in the third Kings up on the spurs 87 84 The beginning of the second quarter Jazz up on the Raptors 33 to 27 Got Atlanta at Suns coming up on ESPN right after this and it's the final in Memphis Trailblazers beat to the Grizz one twenty two to one twelve 42 points from Damian Lillard eight rebounds ten assists Not too bad Anthony Sightman's chipped in with 26 points Jeremy Grant chipped in with 18 points and Grizzly's wasting a 32.9 rebound 12 assists one steel effort by John Moran Karen Jackson at 18 Desmond Bain had 17 not too much Not a lot of help out was Xavier Tillman at 10 rebounds, but Not too much help after that It's not the Aldama at 10 points Got a Cade Cunningham for Detroit. That's gonna go to Tristan and a silver Scotty Barnes. Nice Toronto That's gonna be for Raphael Silver rookie premier level Jalen Green will go to Tristan and Houston and behind Steph Curry is a Jalen Green rookie autograph That'll be for Tristan and the Rockets with a spot. He bought straight up 001 out of 249 the first one ever made Nice congrats, and we got a gold Jalen Suggs three out of ten Orlando it's even flat Paul George to 299 And we will do a recap a hit recap at the end of this video right here. There's Ron Sharp For the Nets, it's gonna go to Go to where's Brooklyn on the rock?  That'll be for Tim Evan Mobley Alan with the calves We'll see Trey young in action in the next game Jason Tatum 31 points nine rebounds I've got Dennis Smith junior throwback throwing it back to his Dallas days That relic going to It's gonna go to Sean Sean TKO and a nice Josh Giddy parallel Okay, see Brandon Richards. All right another our box. Good luck The thunder are in action today, how's Josh Giddy doing tonight? Josh Giddy 28 minutes 14 points seven rebounds seven assists With the fourth quarter to go Triple double watch It's a few more rebounds few more assists. He's got a steal on a block tonight as well Well, they're playing the Rockets. How's Jalen Green doing? Jalen Green not in the lineup tonight Jalen Green though is leading the Rockets with twenty one point seven points a game He's good for about four rebounds four assists a game as well He's pretty good. All right See what else we got in this box here. We got a silver LeBron James another Josh Giddy and a Yanis onto the combo die cut to 249 we're giving away a 11 by 14 autograph photo of him after this break and everyone in this break is part of that randomizer Josh Primo Gilo says sometimes before work you watch Jalen Green highlights just to hype you up Nice, that's that's a that's a good way that'll hype you that'll perk you up for sure There's Cameron Thomas To a one out of two ninety nine Brooklyn Nets that's gonna go to Whoever as oh Raphael with the Raptors Blazers Nets combo Fred Van Vleet four out of ten This is for Raphael as well Gold die cut we got Enos freedom Throwing it back to the Utah Jazz That'll be for Tristan got an orange die cut Kyrie four out of 65 for Raphael Kate Cunningham for Detroit Tristan and an IO de Sunamu 172 out of 249 rookie autograph for Chicago This is my kind of town Chicago is Alan with the Cavs Bulls Wizards combo All right onwards to the next another box NBA trade deadline ladies and gentlemen, it's coming up next week Let's see from the makers of MLB trade rumors calm hoops rumors.com. It's a fun place to go Let's see Any any rumors around no Sun signing save and lead to a two-way deal waving Dwayne Washington Are the Pacers Pelicans among potential Oji Anunobi suitors? Ben Macklemore signing with the Chinese team Mav signed Chris Silva to attend a Jeremy Grant confirms Blazers offered four-year extension Carlisle and Pritchard saying myles turner won't be traded Yeah, especially after that even after that two-year extension that people thought well, they're still gonna trade no I don't think they're gonna trade it Could buddy healed me trade as a Lakers fan. I know Turner plus healed To the Lakers for whatever but I think was a big was a big talking point the big rumor for a long time Lakers didn't want to give up future firsts for those two, but I Don't know maybe it'll be easier to get one of those guys It could definitely use the sharpshooter like buddy heal. There's upside-down Luka Donchage Right side up Luka Donchage 21 out of 249 Dallas It's gonna go to Sean Cade Cunningham another one for Tristan in Detroit Try to find parallels of this guy. That's what we want to see Maybe even some ink got an evanmobili for Cleveland. That's for Allen and an Alperin sangoon 63 out of 99 line green autograph Another one for Houston Tristan. We got a Tobias Harris Relic piece of his jersey going to the Sixers that'll be for Brandon got a purple die-cut Jonas valentine's 79 out of 99 for the Pelicans That will be for Sean and the Pells Jalen Green and a carousel of ver piece of his Jersey 71 out of 99 Pacers It's gonna go to Daniel the Laker Celtics Pacers combo Jalen Brown for the C's and a Collins Sexton tie-dye 23 out of 25. Love the tie-dye parallels Alan with the Cavs Got a Josh Giddy here as well for okay C branded another box Any takers on that member that tops chrome black break is going to go into a filler after this We were at nine teams only one team down. I feel like we can do that straight up baseball fans You want to get that done it seems like a thicker the normal card right there, right? What's going on there a low number? 101 a blank a blank card. Maybe all right. This one's a blank card 10 out of 299. Oh, you think darkness is your friend? Bolden by the dog. I was born in it. We got Quentin Grimes Nix Gonna go to see them flat 7 out of 49 and we got an Al Horford die cut 61 out of 99 for Daniel and it's just a blank card. This doesn't that blank card seem thicker than other blank cards Not crazy right? We got Namia's Queda 18 out of 25 Tideye autograph for the Sacramento Kings That's the Nuggets Kings bucks combo for sugar bean and a Scotty Barnes for Toronto Yeah, it's a blank card. It goes to the blank card spot and we got a Jalen Suggs Jersey rookie Jersey and autograph nice Orlando Steven flat with the Magic Nix Sons combo 18 out of 199 grizzly beats. Hello Box six of 12 We'll be halfway through the break after this. I'll have another what 30 minutes to go after this one. I used a trade room or window not really Not really heating up just yet in the NBA a game that you're collecting basketball a game You should watch as the Is the rising stars game, it'll be two nights before the all-star game. I think February 17th Jalen Green for Houston got a Franz Wagner 16 out of 75 Orland only down a couple points against the Sixers tonight What four or five minutes left Quentin Grimes and other Quentin Grimes draft selections relic for the Nix for Steven flat Kyle Kuzma read to 199 for the Wizards That'll go to Alan And we got on the echo Congo 196 out of 249 for Atlanta Hawks die cut Going to Tim. It's with the Warriors T. Wolves Hawks combo, and we got a Rex Chapman in-flight autograph for Charlotte. It's gonna go to Brandon 131 out of 299 and we have a Jalen Suggs another one rookie Jersey and autograph Steven flat with a Rolando. It's with a spot that he won in the filler purple parallel this time 36 out of 99 Do we look at do we see if Jalen Suggs is playing today? Well, it's a final in Philadelphia. Sixers won 105 94 Jalen Suggs 26 minutes 11 points for rebounds a few assists five steals. That's pretty good All right halfway through this full case break Next box once again, we will do a Autograph or a hit recap at the end of this next right behind Steph Curry is a Steven Adams In-flight autograph Memphis That's gonna go to Sean 30 out of 249 Got Alfred Payton for the Sun to 299. That's gonna go to Steven flat And a Cade Cunningham red white and blue Tristan with Detroit. Yeah, Steven Adams real solid That's a lot of toughness to a team Does all the dirty work underneath the rim And there's Steve Kerr from one Steve to another This is bulls Steve Kerr. That'll be for Alan three out of 99 Got another bull coming up And it's Zach Levine Nike swoosh one of one Looks like part of a laundry tag right there nice one Alan bulls nice and All aboard the Big Head Express Pretty sweet got a Yanis lime green 58 out of 75 And a Jalen green for Houston. It's gonna go to Tristan Sugarbean has the box will get the Yanis and the Cade Cunningham for Detroit. That'll be for Tristan Got a Trey Murphy the third to 199 Another Cade Cunningham another box All right, according to NBA comm 11 of the 12 rung holders on this week's Kia rookie ladder was selected to compete in the 2023 Jordan rising stars game on February 17th at All-star weekend in Salt Lake City. These 11 members from the 2022 class chosen by NBA assistant coaches Will be joined by 10 second-year players in 7g league honorees The group of NBA players would draft it on to three teams with g-leaguer singing together as a fourth team for a three-game mini tournament All-star Friday so the second-year players That are on this rising stars team Many of which we're gonna see in this product right here at the 21 22 product Jose Alvarado Scotty Barnes Josh Giddy Jalen Green Quentin Grimes Bones Highland Evan Mobley Trey Murphy the third Alperin Sangoon and Franz Wagner so Those are sort of the guys that we're looking for here Cade Cunningham injured of course. He's out for the rest of the season But you know the rookie side next box There's Evan Mobley and a day on sharp 241 out of 249 Brooklyn nets where the nets are I lost the nets on this list That goes to Raphael That's with the Raptors trailblazers nets combo and we've got a lot of Dust on here. I don't know what kind of dust that is interesting but Is a rising star Franz Wagner for the magic that's gonna be for Steven flat There's bones Highland there as well Jordan Clarkson Lyme green to 75 And a Jared Allen die cut 005 out of 249 for Allen and Cleveland Davion Mitchell to 299 Brand now what I wouldn't know I wouldn't know anything about that Scotty Barnes Raptors Could it could be some dandruff now And we got Dominique Wilkins in-flight autograph. Nice Atlanta Hawks That is for Tim. That's 28 out of 299 next box So the NBA sophomores that we were talking about that's from this draft class, right? We have not seen a lot of 2022 product yet, but I think we're slowly Gonna get there and so when we start breaking this current year's product This is the last year's product when we start breaking current year product Obviously, these are some names. You're already most of you basketball fans are familiar with Paulo Benchero for Orlando Jalen Duran Detroit AJ Griffin Jaden Ivy also for Detroit Walker Tesla Benedict Mathurian has been playing well for the Pacers Keegan Murray Sacramento Andrew Nemard Joabari Smith Jr. Jeremy Soshan Jalen Williams and the G leaguers City Cisco Scott Scoot Henderson Mojave King Kenneth Kenneth Lofton jr. Is that Kenny Lofton's kid? Matt McClellan Leonard Miller and Scotty Pippen jr. Who's with the Lakers? Who actually has been getting some some minutes here and then That rising stars game should be a fun one to watch. We got a Jalen Brown 37 out of 149 For the Celtics, it's gonna be for Daniel. We've got Gary Trent jr. To 299 and Westbrook Russell Westbrook for the Lakers to Daniel 45 out of 99 Now Jillo saying Pippen jr. Didn't do too bad in college always tore up your team You only I think the only issue with Scotty Pippen jr. Is that he's uh, it's kind of undersized a little bit I think he's Maybe maybe only six one something like that But also really skinny too Obviously, I don't know if that height is gonna change anytime soon, but if he bulks up a little bit You know, he might he might carve out some some meaningful minutes in the NBA No, it didn't stop Mugsy Bogues He he did manage to carve out a nice little career at his size But Mugsy Bogues is a pretty unique talent Zaire Williams for the Grizzlies That'll be for Sean. That's to 175 and Josh kitty another one for Brandon Richards and okay seat Final three boxes boys and girls almost there Like he bows just looked him up five three one thirty six. I'm bigger than Mugsy Bogues But I do not have his shooting ability or his hops His best season maybe was with the mid 90s Charlotte Hornets where he averaged 11 points a game. That's not bad And that's kind of where he topped out though 11 points a game What a few rebounds maybe nine assists a game. Yeah, I remember spud web and Five three and one eight. No, that's not true. I got two or three inches on Mugsy Bogues Spud web five six one thirty three. I'm about spud web size actually I weigh a little more than spud But I think his one thirty three was probably With far less body fat than than myself Spud web's best season he managed a 16 point a game season in the early 90s 16 few rebounds seven assists. That's not bad, but I too much like again, I lack the the shot accuracy and The physical ability of both of those two players. I don't know when the last time players of that size Play with any regularity in the end, but I guess Isaiah Thomas, right? Like not pistons Isaiah Thomas, but but even that Isaiah Thomas was Five nine.  I hey traitiac. What's going on? It's for Raphael and the net and we got a different Isaiah Isaiah Jackson Rookie Otto. I'm sorry miss Jackson. Oh, I am for you That is for Daniel the Pacers 71 out of 249 We got a purple die cut camo walker to 99 that's still Nick's edition. That's gonna go to Steven flat And we got Ben Wallace in flight signatures nice gold parallel Detroit that'll be for Tristan three out of ten Yeah, I don't understand the physics of how how people that size Can uh, can dunk a basketball. I don't know probably amazing legs, I guess There the the tendons in their legs are more like bungee cords. They're Achilles Tendon is actually Is actually a spring inside Oh select soccer speaking to select announced today Early March nice. I'm sure we'll have some of that There's four cases, huh? Correct. Yeah, it's like it's like the baseball rookie of the year except your legs Yeah, they're replaced with like a The tendons have what was the medical theory and rookie of the year that the tendons had tightened During the healing process that's creating a a rubber band like Effect do you think the player besides the bugs could ever play in today's NBA and make it? Yes in fact, what's crazy is that is that uh the NBA of the 90s And those two players are around spud web and mugsy bogs Many will argue that that was a more That was more of a physically tough league So you would think that that smaller players would be able to to thrive more now that There's less physicality in the league and more three-point shooting encouraged and all that sort of stuff, but That hasn't materialized There's bones highland 67 out of 99. He'll be in that rising stars game. That's going to go to Denver sugar bean but I don't know maybe if you're of that size and maybe if you're of that size and Do you have that kind of athletic ability? Like I wonder if if they're just being funneled into different sports Here's a josh giddy jersey Brandon okay seed Yeah, we were just talking about him too. Yeah, I think he's he's the current shortest at five nine and I don't know even know if he's even In the NBA at this point Yeah, I don't think he's actually in the NBA anymore It's Quentin Grimes die cut to 175 LeBron James piece of his jersey He's what under a hundred points away from breaking kareem's record All right final box slated drum Tristan what's going on now? Yeah, let's see if we can find some kade cunningham magic here at the final box We've seen some base carbs, but nothing nothing else after that There's a jail in green relic rookie relic for houston. It's going to go to tristan What's that nice jail in green though? Got a kory kispert To 149 for the wizards. That's going to be for alan We've got a koai lennard 14 out of 99 for the clip show It's going to be for tristan. All right final half of that box and we got an alperin sangoon Rookie otto 249 for tristan and the rockets 94 out of 249 and we got rustle westbrook 254 out of 299 and that my friends Is that nice break? That was 2122 panini select basketball hobby edition 12 boxes full fresh case tiered random team break Number one from jaskiescasebreaks.com Keep your eye out for some more hoops on the website Appreciate everybody getting into the action. There's that zack levine one-of-one. That was really cool There's a kade cunningham red white and blue. We had a couple jailing suges. There's the other one I like the tie-dye parallel those look really sharp to soon move gold van vleet die cut josh kitty scope Jalen sucks gold Jalen green otto scottie barnes book night steve curry five out of five Pretty solid break. Thanks for watching everybody. I'm joe. I'll see you next time for the next one jaskiescasebreaks.com