I can't highlight this He gonna swag it like me. He came from the bottom. He had it like me He know how to hustle. He's great at discreet. He got it. You want he's charging a fee official miss Jamaica wait Roll a tape. She ain't never fade.  He gonna be the coldest if you got a secret He don't want it's gonna expose it. If you check it take a check this unique house this boy He's CEO and I'm with the lovely amazing official outstanding miss Jamaica. What's going on? No, no need. I'm a dead walk on man. Hey, man. Listen, man We out here in New Jersey, New York or whatever. I'm on the East Coast, man You know, um, we've been here for a few days man been in here doing some nice interviews man and My guy is here now. He popped up on the scene Pimping Ken is here again, baby. What's up, man on boss talk 101 man. And guess what man?  He'll do it every time We thought we had a plan, but guess what? He has a plan that's bigger than our plan So man, we meet out here man. So how are you being? I've been so fine.  He's doing a big thing with the trucking. Yeah. I had a move that Boss man Brewster wanted he be helping people out of prison on the show But you know, you said something that kind of you know, when I was going through my thing and locked up and doings I had met up with some cash man. I'm from Kansas man. I'm from here, but they were they were out there getting to it, you know You know going PIMP all over the all from state to state city to city What no, but it wasn't about nothing but the game for them That's all they didn't know the it wasn't no entertainment side. It was just a game my game Yeah, and when you when you see it, you know, we had I had Rallo on here and Rallo He was telling me about Rallo the pimples telling me about how and I'm gonna ask you to break this down for me Can because I wanted to hear your version on this man. He told me about how you know He won his girls, you know, she left him for another PIMP and he say some of them would call You know, he could call them or they would call him and tell him a I got your girl You know and she would me now, you know and some almost cool He say but some of them was ignorant and he had to pick and choose the intelligent ones versus the ones who wasn't Wasn't really in the deal with the fact that she's moved on Yeah, give me some man. Was he telling me some inaccurate information or what? Well, you know Well, they don't understand the first thing I do is uh, you know, I get me a door-dash Ordered on some nachos and so I said eat the nachos man because it's not your home anymore Sometimes you gotta serve a nigga, you know with science.   It's gonna happen to be Rolls Royce He said when the first happened to him, you know, he felt good about it because he knew he was solidified it happened Right here in New York a brother by the name of LAJ, but he was really from New Jersey I brought this broad name Keisha up here with one of my bottoms CC the bra from a pimps up holds down. We came up here, you know, he's on Levith Avenue and It's doing a lucky from Jamaica Like we was cool all the time, you know, they was working on me, right?  So, you know, so the nigga called me.   Yeah, 95. I was a what was this is It was a It was a old-ass kind of 85. Okay.   Right.  I was I wouldn't get me a few more bitches and I Peed up, you know, I'm saying that I can't I bought me a brand new cat Like with some gold spoke and I came back and I gave New York the motherfucking blues I'm talking about these niggas in New York.     I know I know I know a Rollo Rollo just trying to keep it pimping man, but Rollo man. Don't be lying man.   See hey What it looked like, you know I'm saying you try to see what the money looked like no answer You know what I'm saying, but I'm gonna ask you get the caller.  You call the old folks.  He got to be And I think of me like You know finally she called you like I mean, don't nobody want their phone call man That's the worst thing to work because you know a lot of niggas don't tell the truth But when you really really pivots, you know, I say you pepping day by day Especially when you y'all so you know you didn't talk her y'all that went to the jury store She didn't pick the awesome jury you didn't pick the awesome jury You know I'm saying me y'all that upgrade y'all to flip the cat like four beers now The note went from five hundred to a thousand miles a month. I mean now you like I got all these bills You stand at the you ate at the most motel so you stand at the hill ten or at the four seasons So, you know, you're pipping feeling really good and that bra don't make that phone call Man, that's the worst feeling I'm gonna pay for this hotel.    That's that's what you call a courtesy call They didn't serve it. He said it's a courtesy call. He says yeah, man.   So so Not not not was a bad thing. No. No.  He told me bra. So I said say man I said I said, uh, I said man the bra don't me some money, right? You know, I'm saying he said he said Yeah, man, let me put a check in on the bra. Let me pull over here check So he said yeah, go ahead checks.  You know send me so he said, all right, man You know so about a couple weeks later. She calls. She said, yeah daddy I'm gonna come back home.   I said, no, I don't respect that nigga pimping at all. She said, yeah, I know daddy He ain't no pimp. I said well, give me the nigga jury and give me the money So she brought me all this jury and all his money. So uh, I Told him I said say man Bitch, he got out, right?   Come get your jury So I gave him the jury. He said, yeah, man, did she take some money, too? I said, nah, she said the money came from a trick pill. I said, I ain't giving no money up, man You know what I'm saying? I don't know where the money come from, right? So he said, all right, man. So, you know, I got the money. I gave him the jury back He was having clear like about maybe about a hundred thousand out of the jury It's a lot of jury. So I gave him all the jury back. He said, man, can I check the bra? I said, nah, I ain't gonna let you check my whole nigga. He said, I'll let you check though I said, no, man. I said, man, you miss pimping, man.  You know, he got a broad idea.  Yeah, man, you know, I mean, yeah, I'm a happy pimping man. You know what I'm saying? Wow, man, yeah, yeah, it's serious. So it depends on who, it depends on who, who, who, who's serving me. You know what I'm saying? Now, of course, you know, I've been served way more time since then, you know what I mean? But in York, this is the first time I served. So, you know what I'm saying?  They was on a business net And I built them for both of the bras. Oh, the player, you know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? They said they need, they want the clothes. He said, now, man, I ain't giving them the clothes I paid for them. I said, what you going to do?  He said, no, I ain't even get to work, man. I said, man, bring them clothes over here.  You know what I mean? So it depends on, you know, who, who it is.  So I, I, I treat different niggas when I was, I treat different niggas right now.  I'm a, I'm a call you. I'm a sir.   I ain't going to say his name, but he knew what I'm talking about. I just to follow him all over the country. Well, yeah, man, I'm in DC. They got to be there at 24 hours, nigga. Yeah. Nigga had them hoes now. You know what I'm saying? I said, I'm going to have some hoes. Now I'm coming again. So, so I had rivals like that, you know, and that's a lot of rivals in the game with, you know, So you tell them you'll let him know I'm coming, nigga. That's what it is, nigga. Because it was, it was a new car. It was a no contact sport. So like if I wanted Martina, right?  I said, where you at, nigga? He said, nigga, I'm in Oakland. Nigga, I'd be in Oakland in the morning and I would follow her around the track and sweat all day.  I can't get no money.  He hollering me while I'm around the track. Well, nigga, I'm supposed to holler at you around the track.  You know what I'm saying? It'd be niggas like that. Wow.  No, because it's no contact sport. But then you got people in the game, like, you know, like, like jab and all the niggas, I respected them niggas. You know what I'm saying? Certain niggas that I respected, you know, and I respect Kenny Red. That was just an example. That was just an example. That never happened. So, you know, we have respect for each other. You know what I'm saying? We want to sweat each other's brow. You know what I'm saying?  You don't show all of this in the movies. When you see movies, it seem like they'll go scratching, shoot somebody. Just on a woman. The book on the woman going to do ain't been written yet, you know, especially a hoe.  We have a different relationship, you know what I mean? Because she's going to respect my game because the game I'm a giver, going to be uplifted. I'm an elevator, you know what I'm saying? I'm an upgraded. But you know what I'm saying?  She is no automatically. He come and she can, you know, women, you know, it's in the game.   Like you told her one nigga, you know, you were just saying that there was a hoe, nigga, you know what I'm saying? Your mama or something, something you're saying? Oh, yeah, square. Like if I was with a square, you know, I'd rather be with some ism, you know, like even if we're transitioning, because that's what this is about our show, transitioning from the streets.  And I've even heard his feelings. You know what I'm saying? But this ism is going to respect me. She never talked to me like that. You know what I'm saying? We never talked to the ism, we're going to respect his all. You know what I'm saying? They're going to lift you up. They're going to love you because they know what you do and what you can do and what you've been through. You know what I'm saying? And they respect hoes. We are queens. You know? Is it a thing where, like when they say somebody just become, you know, in the game, trying to understand how to be a hoe? Because a lot of times the strip club, a lot of times would was a different. That's something different. Totally different. But still, you know, you would see girls that would sometimes go in there and then still be trying to, you know, trying to straddle the fit. Yeah. So how do y'all look at that? Engage that? Is that how do you do you look down on that? Taking business away from you? No, it's not. It's not money out here. It's enough tricks out here for everybody. So that's not the case. I like the strip club and I like the track, right? Because, you know, the track is where, you know, where you get famous at, you know what I mean?  You know what I'm saying? Like she'd be from Oakland. You know, she'd be from Detroit. She'd be from Chicago. Everybody'd be from all over and everybody had their best cars, their best Jews on and we'd be up at four or five o'clock in the morning every night.  Where the police might be a little bit more hard on Stewart Avenue on P Street. You know what I'm saying? You know, if you got the gang seat, when I put, when I, when I took my girls to strip club, they didn't go to the dance. Like if, if, if the DJ called my girl, then she gonna give them $50.  You know what I'm saying? But she used the strip club as a whole house. You know what I'm saying? She really, you know, she, she, she, she tried to be in the champagne room. So when they go in the champagne room, I gave them gang, you know what I'm saying?   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack it off. You know what I'm saying? She telling him one thing that we're going to do this, we're going to do that, but she knows she can't do that because there's a security guard right there. But you know, he can put his hand in his pants and he's like, but why is she doing that? She said, can I order soda? So she ordered soda, you know, on every slip is a gratuity. So she'll write a gratuity for 1000, 2000. We never write the same one because they can do a charge. But so she might leave out that one room and before that trick even know it, you know what I'm saying?    That's still, that's still a trap. You know what I'm saying?  And then if that didn't work, I have her take them to the casino and then all casino let you get money off of your credit card, you know, with a 15% surcharge. So she'd give them about 10, 15,000 out of the thing. So you know, it's called running the trick up. Yeah. A lot of bras, you know what I'm saying?  Or if, you know, they trying to, like if Tina, you know, was with me and say this girl named with Cheryl and Cheryl just a square, but she had a trick that was lying. She would pay the DJ to call her up so she could leave the trick and then she would pull the trick and take him back to the VIP room, break him for three, four thousand. So it's still, it depends on the level of gang. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the strip club can be a valued asset when it comes down to the gang. Yeah. I got, I got 30,000 one night out of the club. Niggas in Dallas will tell you, in your home town, they tell you, yeah, ask Valentino. I broke, I broke the record. You broke the record. I broke the record in Dallas. 30,000 one night. 30,000 in one night. Yeah. Just straight gang.  Straight gang. Football nigga. You understand me? NFL. You understand me?    You understand, buddy? But you know, this, this is not to promote pimping. So for all for disclosure, I'm no longer pimping. You know what I mean? Correct. Correct. But I just want to just, I tell people these stories and I talk about them in my books, not to glorify the game. It's to show people that, you know, it's different levels to everything. You know what I mean? I could, you know, just like I'm doing books now. You know what I'm saying? We're doing documentaries. Documentaries. We're doing podcasts. You know, it's different levels. So, you know what I'm saying?  He told me, he said, Ken, I was bragging to him one day. We were shooting the PRP video. I was here, nigga. Yeah. Pimpsap holds down, nigga. Biggest show ever. Nigga, you know what I'm saying? Nigga, you got the right nigga here. And 50 looked at me, said, Ken, do it again. And I said, what do you mean do it again? He said, you only get one time to be that nigga. You know what I'm saying? I mean, so what I got from that is that you got to reinvent yourself. That's hard. So ever since I met him, I've been reinventing myself. And I think that that's the part of the game that a lot of niggas miss. You know what I'm saying?  I said, I got to go to the next level. You know what I'm saying? Then I started getting into real estate and today cares, you know, made millions in that game.  Then I said, man, let me go do something different. Then I went to Dallas and opened up a store up there. Sure did. Then bought a lot of property in King, Texas. You know, bought a house in Richardson. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? Came here and came to Atlanta, started to hip hop fraternity. So I'm always reinventing myself. You know what I'm saying? And that's how you stay relevant.  When you play out, you got to know how to flip and go to another level. And I think that that's, you know, one of the things that I learned. So when, you know, when I tell people about the game, it's about transitioning. You're on like, yeah.  I got millions.  You know what I'm saying? I mean, niggas went plating them. We got plating them CDs. I had to plating them CDs before they ever, it was called pussy. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?  I'm the one that came through with the Rolls Voices, the Maserati's, you know, the brand new Benz. It's, you know, the jury, $100,000 bus down, the four niggas even know what $100,000 bus down was. I lived like an NBA player off the game. So the game went bad to me.   You know what I'm saying? Because they can't wrap their brain around it. A lot of motherfuckers got tunnel vision.   You know what I'm saying?  And I said, man, that's what you do. Man, go in the strip club, man.   The bitch got the paddle feet on the concrete, man.  I don't want him, man. But they say, Ken, you know, send me a jewel. So I'm sending these niggas jewels all the time. I'm giving them money, but they don't understand. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get you the game, you know what I'm saying? Man, and they just, they just, they couldn't take it like a fish can't take it to the earth. The hustle month. Yes. Man, you know, you went through a lot.  Was y'all married? I'm not here. I'm gonna leave that in the book. Okay. Okay. But I just, but I mean, just, just, well, give me a spiel on what, what can we talk about? But I wanted to go back.  Cause. Oh yeah. That's how she do it. Yeah. Because. You know that already. Yeah, I know your story. Cause I got that out of you. I need your story. Me being exposed to the game. Everything. Growing up. You know. Yeah, but I don't, I don't feel sorry for myself. It's just, this is the cards I was dealt with. Like this is who I seen coming up, you know, pimps, players, baller, shot, colors, colors. Where were you born? Winners. Sacramento, California. Sacramento, California. Northern California. What's your mother? With my mother working three jobs, but I have brothers that are teenagers.  So I have brothers and sisters. That are far apart. Yes. And a sister that was pregnant at the same time, when my mom was pregnant, she was 18. But you would think that because when your mom have you older, she has more tolerance. She know a lot about raising a child and so forth. But she was busy because, you know, my father. Where was he? He was absent in my life, but he was there for the older teenagers. So I probably was like, keep that man by having a baby. But it didn't work. My dad, my mom and dad. So he didn't spend no time with you? None. At all. But you knew him. You knew who he was? I knew who he was. He was just, I seen him like one time. And it was, you know, it was crazy because. How old were you when you saw him that one time? I was like about seven years old. And you remember that? And I remember it so good, but my heart was crushed because he treated me different than the other children because he tried to accuse my mom for having a relationship and saying that I wasn't his child. But he knew I was because me and my sister are ghetto twins. We 14 months apart, we look like twins. But he was doing that to mess with my mom, not knowing that it affects children. Exactly. You know, and the father I had were my brothers, my pimp brothers that I looked up to that made sure that they looked out for their little sisters. And I thought the world of them, you know, and seeing all these fancy cars and these beautiful women.  My mom didn't leave me with, you know, Pastor Jenkins down the street, you know. And so I got a lot of game, you know, at a young age, I learned how to speak Islam. That's the language that we speak. So growing up as a child, what did you want to be when you grew up? Because you were exposed to that life at a young age, but I'm sure that's not... Yeah, I was at a good, you know, childhood and stuff, but I always thought about money. I always wanted money. I was like a gold digger just to keep it 100 and funky with you. I was born a gold digger with a shovel in my hand, like just wanting the money, you know. Yeah, you want that money.  But this ism is a religion to me, you know. And it's a religion. The ism is a religion to me, you know, because I was raised on it and seen how much money came from it. And it, you know, I had a good childhood. I was, you know, a drill team and cheerleader, but I always was a snooty-ma-duty, you know what I'm saying?   It's so funny because I saw a post on Instagram. I don't know, I didn't share that with you. And it was a show they were interviewing people on the streets and they interviewed this two young ladies and were asking them what kind of guys they would talk to. And one of them said, if you don't have money, well, for her, if you didn't have money or in a gang, because her brothers, like what you're saying, is sold just the same way. Spoil me, they give me this, this, this, this. So if you can't come with it, don't even try to step and train. Exactly the same way. Rain wash. You don't get it, I get it. And I can accept that. I don't need no sit-down with Ayanna Van Zandt. You don't understand because I know who I am and I know where I came from. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah. So some people always feel like the way how you turn up is always like, they're looking for the traumatic thing that happened to you when you were younger. And nothing never, I had my refrigerator stay full, but like some people, they would be like, are we like, come over to my house to play? They'd be like, mm-mm. Like they're gonna walk in the door and just come out of home, you know.  And, but it was money and nice cars and everything. And it wasn't no raids at the house or none of that.  And we can eat all the food we want.  But you talking about all of the good things or the things that you saw, which is the money and the cars and stuff that, you know, you glorified, you glorified it. But I'm sure with all of that comes the bad stuff too. So did you not see all of that? Abusive relationship. Yeah. People get arrested, people passing away dying. They're just getting shot. By pimps. You didn't see that? You hear about abuse all the time. Of course we did. Of course I did. But you didn't care about it? That means, I mean, like, it's where you live. You know what I'm saying? I was raised around pimps, ballers, hoes, boosters, scammers, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what we looked up to, you know? It was some simps around there. It was some simps and trisics or Rizan Vizier, but you know what I'm saying? For the most part. For the most part, but that's what I seen. And that's what motivated me to want money and just break on boys.   But if he give you some money, he gonna tell nobody that's secret.  He infested. Man. He's invested. He's invested. He's invested. I was talking about these abuse and all type of stuff that happen, you know, you find some dudes that may be hustling and may be abusive to the woman and all kind of stuff. It is out there. So it's all kind of ways to think. You know what though?   You know, he, I told you I went to jail, right? Yeah. So he went to jail. There was another guy named Pimp and Sam. Pimp and Sam had knocked him for one of the bras.   Her name was one neither. She also went to school with me. You know, she was one of my, it's crazy. All of them dead, though. It's weird. I'm talking about them. All of them are dead. So, uh, so Juanita chose up on Sam.  Pope popped that, popped that thing on.  You know what I'm saying? And Sam ended up in the wheelchair. So I'm, I'm in, I'm in jail and Pope, he might sell it.  He said, treat all holes the same.  You know, he said, you know, he said, put a meat on your Peter, man, because the longer it stays, the longer you are to pay. He said, go to the hospital and get a, a triple bypass. Have all the sympathy move out your heart. You know what I'm saying? So you got to keep it Pimpin. You know what I'm saying? And he said, also, he said, man, you know, he said, man, don't give up the trophy.  You know, because if they do, the thrill is gone. So this is what he had taught me. I was 19. You know what I'm saying?  So when I came home, you know what I'm saying? Me, you know, I don't care if she was fine as wine in the summertime. You know what I'm saying? I don't care if she's so fine, she can catch a felling because of her beauty. You know, it didn't make a difference to me. You know what I'm saying? I treat them all the same.   You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? So I kept it real. So, you know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? He the same, you know, he, you know, and I just, you know, I kept pimping all the holes had to get up at the same time.     And I think that that kind of keep the violence down. You know what I'm saying? When you keep it real. And, you know, so I had, I had very few instances of violence. Only time I hit a woman, if she get too disrespectful, you know, she try to come up on me and try to fight me. I'm, I'm not, you know, disciplined because now I got other people watching your behavior. So I got to let these other bras know you can't, you know, this ain't what's happening. But you know, I, I never had those problems.  That's what I was saying. Everybody, I never gonna understand. I'm like, man, one dude, man, he beat this girl up. Man, she had two black eyes. She was on the track. I'm saying, yeah. No, we was in the hotel. You know what I'm saying? Like when she, after that, did he let her up or what? No, he had to let us sit in the hotel for three, four, five days and he'll look.  You know, and I know most men to do like that. They got issues with their mama. They got mama issues, you know what I'm saying?  They hate somebody. Some woman did something to them. So they taking it out on, on their folks. You know what I'm saying? You can tell because, you know, you can tell the ones that did that. Cause, you know, you got, you know, some good, especially in your town in Dallas, it was some good peas, man. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them dudes, man, you know, they had the best cars, the best clothes. He was very seldom here. You know, he brought us anything negative about them cause they was happy hookers. They was happy at home.  You know what I'm saying? Yeah.  Let me, let me ask y'all this, man, because the game didn't change so much, you know, back in the days, we didn't have the rap audience, but now the rappers come into play, which is a lot of them tricking to, a big tricking, huge tricking, like, like how did, and, and you Mike and Elsa? I got a lot of, I got a lot of that as money. That's what I'm saying. Like how, how do. Yeah. A lot of rappers have paid me, man. Like I gotta ask this, like how do you rap, you know, how's that maneuvering in the game? You know, they come to a city near you. They got a show. We need a whole. Well, you got to remember. Yeah. Hey, what's that a lot of people don't know? I know a lot of rappers, right? I've been around a lot of rappers. You got to remember, man, I wasn't just around them. You know what I'm saying? Me, I wasn't just around there. I was down there. You know what I'm saying? I mean, and a lot of, you know, I ain't going to say the names, you know, but man, at least 80% of dudes be screaming, they pimping on a raps be tricks. You know, I had this one. I ain't going to say because he knew what I'm talking about.  They scream that pimps shit, man. But them niggas be flat back tricks. You know what I'm saying?  I ain't going to say the name, but them niggas were spending money like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? You know, cash money. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're spending cash money.  Oh my God. Yeah, they want to get to it, you know.    You're not a real pimp because somebody serve you the news.  You know, like Ken said, a real one is going to accept it. Correct.  But back to the beatings. Now I got to ask, because I went on a high speed chase, but I wasn't one of those type of females that got beat up. You know what I mean? High speed chase? Yes, with my folks. Really? Yes, it was awful. But anyway, so he had to get me and show his friends. You know what I'm saying? When you say on a high speed chase, you were running from him? Yeah, I was running from him. Yeah, so you were trying to get away, just every time he called, you don't want to be. No, I had ran off. And so I was like, you know, through my own thing, I was in Beverly Hills at the Beverly Wilshire, you know, handling my business at the bar, you know, Freelancing on the carpet. Yeah. Not on the track, the carpet in Beverly Hills. And so I got my money and on my way out, my wife-in-law snitched on me and told where I was. And so when I'm leaving, I see him, we both made eye contact. And he just jumped over to, you know, the island and just started coming after me. And I just was like running for my life. I was spooked. I was scared. I was scared. I could have, a lot of things could have happened, but it didn't. Thank you, God. Did he get you back? Yes, he did. How long did the chase last? It was for about 10 minutes until the ghetto birds came and the police came and then he maneuvered and got away. And I was like, oh, damn, someone just stressed. I didn't tell him, but I was just acting like a square. And this man, I don't know who he was chasing me, you know. So I wouldn't give him no names up, but he caught me two days later because he know everything.  And so I went to the court date and he was in there. He was so nice to me.  Yeah, he was nice to me. And I was like, you mad at me? No, it's okay.    But this time I did. So yeah, so I did get it. But that was never a frequent thing for me.  But I'm telling y'all. Yeah. That's what never happens again. 100 and monkey. Yes.  Wow. You know, and that's what normally would happen. And I accepted my penalty. Yes, I accepted it. You know, I always tell guys, man, don't never let your intelligence, don't never let your emotions supersede your intelligence. Right. You know, when you dealing with a woman, you know, I'm saying you always got to remember the emotional factor. Right. She's very emotional.  You know what I'm saying?   They're not in the same place. Anytime you do something emotionally, that's an impulse. You know what I'm saying? That's an impulse. You know, that's a, that's an emotional impulse. So you don't never make the right decisions. Always good.  It's always good to sit back and just give yourself 10 seconds. I call it a 10 second rule and breathe. And you know what I'm saying? Think the situation out, because if you can reason, you know, God gave all those ability to reason.   You know what I'm saying? He's strong as an ox. But you know what I'm saying? If I put a gun to an ox head as a hunter and I was hunting that ox, that ox ain't got enough sense to know that he'd be a hunt.  You know what I'm saying?  He goes in there, he smell the blood. He go and he attack the cow. He don't know if it'd be somebody zoo animal. You see what I'm saying? But we have intelligence. You know what I'm saying? I mean, so that, that, that lion can be you in the penitentiary. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that I can be you getting killed by her brother. You know what I'm saying? It might feel like you violated his sister. So we got to use our intelligence. And I always thought about that. I always thought about Jill. And I always thought about one of her daddy or her brother, somebody or her cousin, somebody, you know, got a problem with me.  Right. Sometimes, you know, you got to let a person go.  I say, you love me? You sure? You say, yeah, I love you. I say, you want to pay the love test? You say, yeah, I say, okay, come on. Let's go to the swimming pool. So I go to the swimming pool and I say, you love me? I say, yeah. I say, come on. I put her head in the water and I hold her. Oh, you love me? Yeah, I love you. Put it back in there. You love me? No, I love here. You know what I'm saying?  They think they love something. They think you upset that they, they doing this, but you know, it might be something different.  And that's when you got to be wise. And that's one thing that I, you know, that's why I last so long. That's why I never call it a p-case. Damn. You know what I mean?  You know what I mean? Then I always thought, you know, I got some women that I deal with. I'm cool with their brothers to this day. Yeah. Did I was with the female because I would always, you know, holler at them and reach out to them, make sure they was cool. You know what I mean? I check on the mama. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all science. It's all games. It's all about using your reasoning faculty. You got to be a thinking man. It's chess not chess. Always every move I make, I make 10 steps ahead. So if a bra mess with me on day one, by day 30, she straight. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be a sequential order. I'm going to build up in chronological order. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? Get her nail done at a different person. At a different place. You know what I'm saying? If she got pay less shoes, you know I'm an elevator. You know what I'm saying? And have her, you know, wearing the best shoes. And you know, you just got. As you should. Yeah. It's all about elevation. As you should. That helps. That stops the fight too. Yes, it does. You know what I'm saying? Like I remember you, and it's a little bit off subject, but it's still in context. Like the movies where, it wasn't movies.  They bring the girls out. I remember them. She wouldn't look up. You know, you have three girls or whatever. They wouldn't look up at no other man and all kind of stuff. No other pill. You know, all this different things was going on back in the day. You, I don't think we'll ever see those times again where they have these, you know, all the, all of the piece come together. And really, you know what I'm saying? Really, when they were going down, it's over, man. The worst thing. Now the game is not dead. It's the players. I just want to say this. I agree with you on this. The worst thing that ever happened to the game was Pym Supposed Down America Pym. I regret doing both of those movies because what that did, that gave niggas a pass to get on the internet and just talk about the game. So now, you know what I'm saying? Me when I was coming up, the catchy company for the hanging. So Tina seen me in a Rolls Royce and she said, I wonder who you play for. You know, or I wonder who is that? You know what I'm saying? So she might be a square. You know what I'm saying? But I talk to her. You know, I take her out to eat. You know what I'm saying? I groom her. We'll get a conversation. We call her interview. I give her an interview. And then next day I know I said, I want to take you. So when you go, I want to introduce you to somebody. So I'm introducing her to her potential wife-a-laws. You know what I'm saying?  But you know, at this point, you know what I'm saying? She got a decision to make and she want to get turned out.  You know what I'm saying?  You try to talk to her. Young niggas talk to her. Gone, boy, please. Boy, I just bought Pepe Kim book. You know what I'm saying? I listen to Don Juan. You know what I'm saying? I listen to Kenny Rae. You know, I'm rocking with Brown, gangster Brown, Virgil. You know what I'm saying? Fillmore Slim. So they don't have to go through the rigorous process of getting to know a P like it was before. It was a secret society.  No, me and all of us, you won the main contributors to it and everybody knows. I was a contributor. I was a contributor and I tell people that all the time I regret ever doing that movie. You know what I'm saying?  You know, like I said, the roles that you take to get to your destiny is not the ones that take you. It's going to your detour. So it changed my life. You know, and it gave me a chance to set my life on a different trajectory.  You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. So, you know what I mean? Now they're giving our life. So maybe, you know what I'm saying? It's good that the bras is not as receptive to the game as they used to be. You know what I'm saying? Can I say something about that? Yes, can, man. See, people get this game misconstrued. See, everything we do is by choice, not by force. See, when you start forcing a female to do something, then that's sex trafficking. You know, and they do have those out there.  And I'm just grateful that nothing like that ever happened to me. But there's a thin line because what I see them doing a lot is if the person that was so-called taken away is underaged and even although sometimes they say, I want to go, they'll say, well, you're too young to know, you know, and they'll turn the case around to make it seem like they were forced to. But you know what they used to do, Jamaica? I'm brave to watch. Right, exactly. You know what they used to do, Jamaica? Like, say for instance, if Vardo brought an underaged bitch to the track and she was 17-er.  That's how it used to be. Like, that bitch, they call it. They say, she's the under.   Okay. But nowadays, you know what I'm saying? These young boys, they want to be in the game so bad. They don't.  They want that, you know, like, if you look at Goldie, remember Goldie? Yeah, yeah. So if you look at Goldie, if you look at Pimps Up, Hold Down, and you look at me and Pimps Up, that was my Goldie moment. You know, I was Goldie in Pimps Up, Hold Down. You know, wanting to be in the 90s. Oh, you spent more than that, man. But check this out. I got out the game right after that. Now what's happening? Everybody looking for that Goldie moment. Everybody want to be that Pimp on the, everybody want to be that superstar Pimp. In them days, it's gone. You see what I'm saying? I mean, and that's why these young dudes is bringing these underage bitches. They just want to get to the money and they all on the line. Yeah, yeah. Pimping, man.  And they don't know that they incriminate themselves. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, these folks then went to Congress and made all kinds of laws and these niggas don't even know. Human trafficking, if you, if you mess with underage bitch, that's human trafficking. If you take a girl to the strip club, that's human trafficking. If you live it off the earnings of human trafficking, if Tina came to me and chose up and Valu turned it out, they could get me and Valu for mess with it because they make it retroactive.   And then they figured out it's okay. This is how we need to fight this law. This is what they doing. They had the bitches in the strip club. Oh, they had them on arrows. Oh, they had them on backstage and they building the case as they go.  Now it escalated to all levels of human trafficking. Right? So what do that mean? If Tina chose up on me, real live hope, you know what I'm saying?  She could choose up on me, but she now have the power to destroy me. Wow. What that means is that 20 years ago, Tina could have ran to the police and said, he a pimping, he a pimping. Well, we need two more girls. You know, we got to prove it. He a pimping, he a pimping. Well, we got to, you got to give them to take you across the state line. That's called the man act. You know what I'm saying? Those were the bar for the district attorney. Now all she have to do is say I'm her pimping. And all I got to do is she say, Ken, come to the hotel. And if she's on you or she got any type of traces of homing, now they can hit me with human trafficking. I'm facing life. So, so actually a lot of the young guys is in danger because the women got the power now. Yeah. They can, they can, they turn the nigger and guess what they tell them? Hey Tina, I know you were pimping Ken. I know he's your pimp. I know that you know what I'm saying? He don't force you to do this. But check this out. You got three kids. You got one kid. You got a brand new newborn. Look, we're going to drop everything on you. All we want is Ken. And we're going to give you some money. And we're going to put you in a whole protection program. You know what I'm saying? And that's how they doing it now. So the average girl, you know what I'm saying?   They make them feel sorry. You know this ain't your choice. You know he was molested. We know this. And that young lady, you know what I'm saying? I mean, if she not sharp and she not groomed and the dude not groomed, then he go off to prison. Federal prison history with 10, 20 years because the game has changed that to that level. So that's why I regret pimps upholds down. That's why I regret American pimp because I think we pretty much gave them folks the green light that they need. You know what I'm saying?  Because these people that they lock enough of pimps, believe me, they are not pimps. Let me ask you this. You know what I'm saying? They are not pimps. But the ones who made the law are the tricks. Yeah. That's the crazy. And that is the truth. All the judges I didn't date and you know, politicians and this is crazy. That's another thing. I want to ask you about Pimp C. Pimp C said pimping ain't dead. It just moved to the web. And you said some while ago, you said backpages, I believe. What was the impact of backpages when it came out and how they was how they was moving around? Oh, yeah. Remember when Pimp first came home? You know what I'm saying?  Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? Me. So was that before that verse after that verse? All this was in the same conversation. Okay. In the same.  Is it called arrows or something? Yeah. There's arrows, right?  She's still living.    You know, I felt like, look, bro, you're my main man. You know what I'm saying? Me.  You professing the ism.  Me have a real life experience. You know what I'm saying? Me.  I just call it dipping and dabbing. You know what I'm saying? Me, you know, because it wasn't on track. So, you know, a lot of people did that. You know what I'm saying? Me, you know, because it was some game. You can borrow some game until they look at you, do this, this, that and the other. You can get, you know, $500, $600 a pop. And if you know, you got some game. So, so, so the broad, you know what I'm saying?  And then that's when Pimp said, damn, man. He read all of my brother's son. He said, pimping ain't dead. It just moved to the web. To the web.  You know what I'm saying? And that's how he got into the game. That's hard, man. Because, like I said, when he said that, it made sense to me. It made a lot of sense because it really was an actual factual for me. I'm like, he right. It ain't dead. But it ain't looking for only fans.  Same thing. Same thing. But then, you know, think about it too. I mean, you older, both old enough, and Jamaica might be older to remember typewriters. Yeah. And that ain't got Apple Mac. Yeah, Mac is in the building.  You know what I'm saying? Well, these girls, they got it so good. They got GPS. I didn't have that back in the day. I had set the write-down instructions on the napkin. Go up here, get off on this exit, get off at the red barn right there. A map quest, remember a map quest? I remember a map quest. No, before a map quest, I had a pager. I was talking on the landline. I remember landline. Man, you talking Spanish to something that youngsters know. Oh, yes. Landline, party line, come on now. No, the landline to talk to the trick, so he can give me instructions to get to his house.  So, we're telling y'all all this to show credibility to let people know that we actually live the life. We understand what you're going through. You know what I'm saying? We understand your heartaches. We understand your trials and tribulations. So, we want to show the young people is a better way in a brighter day. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? We're working, giving brothers liquor deals. We're giving them cologne deals. We're hooking them up with rap snacks.  So, it's like just because, you know, don't let your past define your future. You know what I'm saying? We're always in the present, but only for a second. I just hit the table. That's the past. You know what I'm saying? It's over with. I've done that. Right. Everything we said this conversation, we were talking, that's the past. This is all past. So, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you can't, you can't relive the past, but what you could do is you could predict the future. That's why I said, man, fail the plan, plan the fail. You know, you must work your plan and plan your work. If you could do that, you know what I'm saying? As a young man or young woman, and you could learn from Martina and myself, then you could go to the next level.  You know what I'm saying?  You once was in the prison system one time. I was in the prison system. You know, Iced tea was robbing banks at one time. You know what I mean? Robbing Jewish stores, whatever. So, you know what I mean? Everyone can elevate, you know what I'm saying? So, that's the main reason for our podcast. That's the main reason why we're here. Transitioning. And we're not trying to glorify the game, but you know, sometimes when you talk about stuff, you know, it's like, it reminds you of certain things. So, you might get a little excited. Jesus. I want to say, man, this show about to be crazy, man. Y'all's podcast, I can't wait. I'm going to tap all the way in. Yes. You know what I'm saying? A few from the game. Man. And Martina's son does, man. Man, y'all, but no, it's a combination over there, man. She's not playing, man. Right, yeah, he's so bad. She's a comedian, man. I'm tripping because y'all just ended up saying, y'all going to come together and do this podcast. Nah, she called me, when she did, she called me, her, China and Visa. They called me, it was late at night. I thought they was on some cocaine and stuff. I said, I thought it was late at night. I'm just a joke, right? I said, they geeking at this time of night. And then they said, yeah, we want to do a podcast. Yeah, because I was really depressed. That was right after my sister passed away, too. Doing the same time? Two days before Kenny passed away, so I was already, yes. I didn't know that. Yes. And so I was already sick about that. And then he passed away and I was in a deep depression. And that's how they got me a part of it. Okay. The conversations and just. Yeah, that was like just really. We're going to do this and we're going to do that.  I got, yeah. So first thing I did was, you know, I seen her video, I went and did the research. And I'm looking at her on a soft white underbelly and you know, no jumping. She just was so funny. And I was listening, looking at all the comments and how all the girls respected her. Then I went on the Instagram. I said, you know what, this woman is a genius. I said, that's a brilliant idea. This is not my idea. This is her idea. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm not even going to fall. I'm a real nigga.  Right. So, you know, and I told, I said, give me a couple of days. Think about it. So I called about a month later. What about a week later? No, a week later. I said, get to Atlanta. And I was gone like Susie Wong. And it was so good because I was going through a depression and I needed to get away. And when I got there, Ken put me to work. Like, as soon as I got off the plane, boom, boom, boom. Man, HB got me. Boom, boom, boom. It was like, and I was so happy to work and be busy. And that's real. That's real. It was just, it was just, it just took me away. Took her to the studio. She did a song. She did a song. Really? Yes. Ken, you, man, you something else, bro. That's all I'm going to say, man. Well, no, it was a good idea, man. I ain't going to front, man. You know, when you look at the analytics, you look at the mega trends on Martina.  I know she's from the game. I'm from the game.   Hope will blow up all the, all that lingo out there.  I got the book to prove it.  Well, Ice T used to quote, Iceberg, Sam.  I made them all read your book. We was on our way to Atlanta and said, oh, y'all need to get this right here. And I got pictures to prove it. They don't know. I had all of them. They worked for my stores. Y'all need to read this book, man. We reading it. We reading it. You know, book all the way to Atlanta. Little yurks. What does the white girl say? A lot. She just, really, she was, she never. What does this mean? Yeah. What does she use up? I don't know. She was just choosing. But Martina, on the flip side, a lot of women follow you too. Yes. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of women. I love the young girls out there. I love all the women. They use her lingo. Yes. That was the reason why it made sense to me. I said, damn. And then, you know, when we was thinking about what to call, I said, let's call it a view from the game because, you know, everybody sent me all these podcasts and they hit me talking. I told my CEO brother Vardo and I told James my national, I said, man, y'all gonna have to probably step up because I said, man, I'm doing this podcast.  So, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna step back so we can do this podcast. As whole. You know what I'm saying? And I said, I want to do it because, you know, I felt it in my bones and I knew it was the right thing to do. You know what I'm saying? This is the right thing to do. You know, it's just that sometimes Tina could be a little impatient. But you're a brand and it's so easy. Yes, I gotta work on that. Y'all both solid individuals, man. So, amen. I'm gonna end it with this note, man. Now I do have a question. What? I'm gonna end this. I'm trying to get the mother two on here before they get out of here or they get... Okay. This guy, I gotta... Okay, they also... Oh, so they go out there? They go out there? No, I'm just saying. They too... Y'all gotta... Y'all together. Have any young ladies reached out to you in your inbox and be like, this is where I'm at. I'm trying to get out. I need to know, you know, how can I do this? Or even some young girls who are choosing to get into life and be like, is there another choice? Can I do something else? Um, I'm just gonna tell them, my DM is filled up with all those kind of questions and I'm not answering none of them. They gotta read my book and find out because I'm not gonna give you no advice and get myself caught up because I'm retired. I don't know who you are. That's real. On the internet. I don't know if you're the police. That's real. They're asking me some stuff and I say one thing and I'm up short. I didn't play myself up out of my freedom. That's real. No, I'm saying the same thing. That's real. That's so real. I don't answer none of those questions. You can't play them kind of games. I don't play them kind of games. I don't know who you are. You can't play them. Because you don't know who they are. That's just slick, man. So I'm not giving up. Yeah, whatever. Like, I got instructions. Jealous, too. I have a poem called Home in 101. Okay. And this one right here. I'm gonna read this one to you. Okay. This is called SugarDaddy.com. I made a trick on SugarDaddy.com. I went to dinner. He gave me PPM a thousand ones. We got to back to his place. I said I need more money. There will be no GFV or getting into sheets. I don't play that, honey. I need $10,000 stipend every month. I need payment right now. This ain't no stunt. I'm one of the best lookers you ever had a legend. So it's going to cost you more cash. He looked at me and said, I got to sell my stocks and bonds in the AM. I said so. So I said, I want your soul in reparation. He looked at me and said, you're right. He handed me a whip and he said, beat me all night.  Then I disappeared into the night like a vampire feeding. I came back in the morning and broke them for all the money. I told him, I'll see you next month and I'll have plenty of honey. He smiled and said, that was the best cash he spent in a long time. I told him, I'm hustle mom and I'll always stay on your mind. Hey, hustle mom. Break a chick, break a chain. Hey, man, chain it, man. Just because of that poem you said, I thought about this question. What's the craziest thing you've ever had to do to a trick? Oh my God. It's some stories.  I didn't. Man, it was real, real. Yeah. I mean, he asked you to do that. No, he gave me a thousand dollars and he's a regular. Right. And he gave me a thousand dollars and he would like buy my food what he wanted me to. Right. So we go out to lunch and eat and then when we get back to the room he'll have this enema. That's disgusting. It's so disgusting.  I'll take the money though. Got it, got it. Oh, yeah. No, you can see me. Uh huh.  And I'll be like, yeah, you ready? And then I'll put the enema in and then I'll hold my booty cheeks together. And then when he say he ready and then it's just an explosion. And he just sits there and wobbling it.   And then I go in a shower, take a shower and the date's over and then I just leave. And he's just in there just. He stayed in it when you walked out the door.  He was just. No. Having a good old mud wrestling time. And you walked out with your money? I walked out with my money. That was it. To see him once a month, you know? Every time you had to go out to eat with him. So you could do whatever food that he wanted. Hopefully it's all vegetables or something. No, sometimes he wants pancakes and, you know, he might want a thicker texture. But that is so gross and crass. But, you know, somebody got to do it. Everybody have a different fetish. So what's the best thing that ever, a trick ever done for you that wasn't gross? I mean, what's the best thing? I'll take it to the other side. Money and trick ever done for you. Bought me, got me a car, bought me an apartment. Just felt like I played on his emotions to where he couldn't even date me. He just felt like he needed to take care of me for God. Wow. And just, you know. You didn't even have to see him. He'll just send it. You know, I was seeing him sometimes. No, don't sound like they become a stalker. Not dating him or anything like that. Just company. Just company and just feel like he had a, God made him feel like it was his responsibility to take care of me. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah. That's why. And I thank God for that.  Wait a minute. Let's go with it. I want to hear this before we get off here. I got to hear this. What about the one that started Seawalking on you? What? Yeah, yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. Girl, I started cribbing on you. That was the craziest thing that ever happened to me, man. As I was abroad, she was with me for about two weeks. And I'm laying, I'm sleeping, and she got a Bible and she's praying. And my mama Christian. So, you know what I mean? I'm having like an epiphany. I'm like, damn, I gotta get out the game. She ain't even scared to death, right? I mean, she's just praying and she can do all the praying. Thank you, Jesus. Lord Jesus. I was like, oh my God. Thank you, Jesus. Hey, hey, hey.   She said, well, you know, son, that's the sign that God is calling you, right? And I raced with, that raced with me for a while, but you know, I never forgot that, you know. And then one thing happened to me when I was coming out the game, you know, when I, you know, left Kenny Redd, I just was like tired of getting pimped on and cold chili blood. And so I was just looking for God. And so I had joined the nation of Islam.   Oh yeah, I got rid of all my old clothes. You had them all white? All that. I'm telling you, I was just really, I just wanted, I wanted to break. I just was tired of getting pimped on.  You know what I'm saying? She turned all the way Muslim, man. I did. I had my hair wrapped, but I was looking cute. I had my suits on with the matching garment. How long did all that last for? It lasted for less than six months, and then the streets was calling me back. And it was like, Martina, Martina. And then I went, that's when I opened up my escort service. That's a thing. I remember when, you know... My situation was worse than hers. I had a bra saving the money. I'm like, oh, I'm good. I'm straight. She saved the money. So you come back. Yeah, she gave about $15,000. I knew you were going to say that. And you know what? My mama would say, is the devil. You know what I'm saying, me? But nah, man, you know, that bra, man, you know, she was a real bra, man. And you know, she could have chose up for what somewhere. But she, you know, she was giving me an opportunity to see Ken, is this really what you want to do?  They went on about that. They chose it up. But they didn't chose up. They came back. They came back.  All my pimp partners thought I was crazy. They would say, all right. You said when they found out she was back, they came back to the pimp. Yeah, even my OG, Jim Dandy, you know what I'm saying? Me, I told him, I said, man, I think I gave my life to God. I said, I think I changed up. He was like, man, you know, come on, man. You know what I mean, man? Kidding. You know what I'm saying? What you doing? You know what I'm saying? Kidding. What's wrong with you? And everybody, man, all my partners called me, man. You know, they like, woo, woo, woo.  Yeah. So if you would meet back then, if you would meet, I keep said pimpin' 100%. Ain't going to be not one square. I mean, and we ain't going to have not one square inch of conversation. You know what I mean? Wow. It's going to always be about some ism and some moves and some twists and stuff like that. So they wanted that too. You know what I'm saying? I mean, in the broad, you know. You really motivated them. Yeah. I mean, because I was the game. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? Yeah.  Yeah. My uncle's was player. My uncle Greazy had hoes. You know what I'm saying? I mean, my mama was a square, but my daddy was a player. He was a street dinger. You know what I'm saying?  So at that time, they called tees and blues. You know, we had a box of money. They used to come and gamble in my house all the time. So I never in my life, in all my life, had anything square. So, you know, I always been around gang. So, you know what I'm saying? I always had a fascination for the gang. Right. You know what I'm saying?  But my mama, now they was church people, but my daddy is my hero. You know what I'm saying? My sisters, now they follow my mama in the church all day every day.  You know what I'm saying? They were some players.  I'm a player.  That's how my daddy was. You know what I'm saying? I mean, now my granddaddy, Mr. Nelson, he was a businessman. I told you he owned 160 acres down in the city. So 160 acres, 120 acres, you have a city. So we had our own city. And we still got to land in Oxford, Mississippi.   But man, I guarantee I'm going to get five to 10 calls every month from players. Yeah, yeah. Pips. What's up, P? You know what I'm saying? Because they just want, they just, they want to get a nugget of the game. They just want me to say something because niggas know that's what, that was what I lived, you know. Million. Yeah, man. That was a crazy day that happened to me, man. That girl prayed over me and, you know, she was, I'm like, she was hoarse like a mother.    Yeah. And all this stuff. But I just, I don't look at it, man. Anybody, man, can be used, man. No matter who they are. He used the mule in the Bible. So I just feel like anybody can use it. I think a lot of times it's twisted, man. Like I never was a church goer or a church member in my life. I never felt it like that. I never done that. I was always a person who I basically felt like you could worship God where you stand. So I, when you said that it, it marinates. I understand where you're coming from because I felt that way. I've been kicked out of the Lord. I've been kicked out of churches. Right.  And so I think a lot of times it don't matter where you at. I love the Lord. Right. I love the Lord. For sure. I did too. I studied Islam. I studied Taoism. I studied Confucius. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I studied Judaism. But they confused you, though. No, they didn't confuse me. When she had, like, did she put her hands on you? No, no, no. She was praying over you. She was just praying over me. When she was like just standing over you. Now she just had a bite when she was just praying like a motherfucker. You know, she was just. She was on it. Like my mama. Like a deep mess. She was like my mama. Yeah, yeah. Like a meat eater. So, but she had the reason that I went to church. Well, I eventually went to church. But what I'm saying is that I do believe in God. Oh, yeah. I know you do. I've been around you too much. That was the craziest thing that happened. I had a bar of crypt walk on me, too. You know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah, man. You know, gang banging, man. These niggas, man. You in LA? Man, she, man. Hey, man. She started see-walking on us? Hey, these niggas. Where y'all was at when she crypt walked? Man, I'm old.  But she went through. I mean, did she have us? Because I know the moves. I seen it done a lot. Yeah. You know, she was hitting it. This is what I'm saying, man.  That, you know, the way they is now, these holes is different. You know what I'm saying? They into gang banging.  You know what I'm saying? So the bitches started crypt walking. You know what I'm saying? And I'm looking at her like she... Wasn't it music on? Huh, nah. They just, that's how they're doing now. She just, she was mad at them. So she gang banged on. What? Yeah. So I'm going to go get my cousins. Oh, she threw a set. Yes. Damn.  Nah, man.   Wanted to cut.   You know, you can't be in a game for 40 years and don't see them there every time. Every time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?  But I really loved my wife laws. Yeah. And I really love that Polly life, you know, like you guys might not ever get that. But I liked it that camaraderie of having a wife law and we have that sisterhood. What is a wife and law? A wife and law is the same lady that's peeing your man. Okay. So we're all in the family together. We have one thing in common is that man, you know. So like I had like somebody in the same family. You know, somebody in the same family. The same household. Same house. Same man. They don't mean you live in the same house. No, right. It's the same. You know what? You know what? You know what, Mr. Maker, I never know why they call a wife a law to this day. Why do you call a wife a law? I don't know. I'm at the study there. I don't know. I cook. Is this the wife? I don't know why.  Yeah, they say wife. Because it'll be like, it'll be like, in-laws or something. Yeah, sort of kind of. But that's not your wife. It should be your whole in-law. That's your wife in-law. Yeah. They need to change that. Change it. Yeah, P. Whole in-law, man. No more wife laws. No more wife laws. Whole in-law. Man, whole in-law, man. I got to say that. That doesn't make more sense. Say, man, thank y'all for coming on the show. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to reach out? Because I always do Pimp Again like that. My name is Hussama Martina on all my social media platforms. And yeah, you can find me at that name. And it's Pimp Again on everything. Yeah, Pimp Again on everything. Real Pimp Again. Real Pimp Again. Under school. Yeah, and you know, Hussama Martina. Man, the new show is a view from the game. Views from the game, man. Shout out to Hip Hop for trying to go to theHipHopJoy.com. HHF. It's going down. HHF. Man, it's been another great second. That way. Boss talk one-on-one with a boss's talk. And we out. We out.


From Hollywood it's time now for Johnny dollar ready with your call to mr. Pearson in Hartford, Connecticut Oh, thanks operator hold on, please Go ahead. Hello. Hello Johnny. Yeah, I got your wire hold up payment on the Abbott claim That's right. Anything wrong? I haven't talked to Abbott yet The people I have talked to are all wrong the veterinarian who handle a horse Secretary in Abbott's office and an office manager refired there's something cock-eyed around here any ideas not yet Okay, we'll hold up the claim on your say so and if there was anything wrong about that horse's death you better find out about it. No Tonight and every weekday night Bob Bailey in the transcribed adventures of the man with the action-packed expense account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator yours truly Johnny dollar Expense account submitted by special investigator Johnny dollar to the Universal Adjustment Bureau Universal Building Hartford, Connecticut The following is an accounting of expenditures during my investigation of the Duke red matter in San Pietro, California Expense account item 3 48 cents postage I sent a registered letter containing a copy of dr. Gory's injury report on the racehorse Duke red to a veterinarian service in Cleveland asking them to verify the extent of injuries to the animal Item 4 25 cents toll call to the Abbott's branch outside of San Pietro Whoever answered the phone told me the mr. Rabbit was busy somewhere on the grounds. I didn't bother to leave my name instead. I drove right on out The Abbott breeding farm was complete with white fences Rolling green hills bluegrass and a stately old colonial residence set at the end of a long roadway among towering trees From the porch of the house. I was able to see the stables and a trainer working with a horse out on the ranch track Yes, sir. Good morning. Good morning. My name is Johnny dollar like seems to rabbit, please. Yes, sir. Come in, please I'll try to find mr. Dollar. You want to wait here, sir? Thank you He left me standing in one of the biggest living rooms. I'd ever seen in my life I took a plant in front of the fireplace lit up a cigarette and began to look at the pictures and statues of racing horses lining the mantelpiece Pretty soon things started a blonde girl in the yellow suit walked in having an argument with a grayhead man and Jotri They didn't see me as they entered or they just didn't pay any attention to me Pardon As long as you're in this house under this roof, you will conduct yourself according to the way I dictate Yes That was as much as I heard but then it didn't last long I Saw them go out and walk around the garden once shake fists at each other finally part He disappeared up a narrow stairway and then about a minute later. Wait a minute. Hello Hello How long have you been here too long? Oh? Why didn't you speak up? Well, I cleared my throat a couple of times with no good Then I I tried to look like I didn't hear anything nothing seemed to work If it helps any I'll keep it all into my head. I won't tell us all He doesn't like the company I keep what do you think of that? I don't know anything about it Give me a general view point at least Well, I've run into a lot of parents who don't approve of the kind of company their sons or daughters keep In my court of human relations parents don't always know what kind of company their daughters and sons need When those daughters and sons reach the age when they need company good you're on my side I didn't finish on the other hand daughters and sons have the same problem They don't seem to know either You're a coward Who are you Johnny dollar? I'm here to see Mr. Rabbit about insurance. What's that Mr. Rabbit? Yes You're not an insurance salesman. You're here about Duke red about what happened to him. Aren't you that's Ryan? I'm Terry happen glad to know you How much money did daddy have read insured for $65,000 $65,000 I Am I don't suppose you have a cigarette sure Thank you Has the claim been paid yet? No, not you If red had made the tracks this year he would have doubled that tripled it probably There's not enough money in the world to replace that horse. He was a great running horse. I've heard that before Dr. Gory mentioned it Look, I am sorry all this happened dad shouldn't a shot read we understand. He was injured beyond hope That's a lie That's a what dad shouldn't have shot him. He just shouldn't have done it Red was the only horse on the whole stables worth anything The only thing around here worth anything wasn't the horse injured injured. Oh, that's what you'll hear They'll all tell you that But I can tell you something else Terry. What are you talking about anyhow? He's an insurance man dad and I can tell him the whole thing and I will go to your room Terry It was a terrible thing to do shooting ready.  Dollar. No, she's been terrible about all this very upset Anytime I've had to destroy an animal around me. She gets like that in that way ever since she was a little girl I see I knew I'd have to put up with the acting like this, but I'm reluctant to apologize to you for actions or for mine Jim gory told me you were in to see him yesterday afternoon I wish dr. Gory hadn't told you that I intended to tell you myself mr. Abbott if I've offended you I'm sorry for it makes me look. I'm doing something shady You could have come right to me instead of going to dr. Gory. I tried to you were out then you could have waited till I came in This is the way that insurance company operates. I might have to find a different look mr. Abbott There's quite a bit of money at stake here. We have to go to everybody during an investigation Dr. Gory ordered the horse destroyed it seemed very reasonable to go to him and ask why he took that action We want to know all the circumstances if you talk to Gory, you know them why you're bothering me. What do you want? I want all the information you can give me about the accident the time date people who saw it exactly what happened Where it happened. Do you always handle a case this way? It's the way I'm handing this one I don't like it very much Sneaking around behind my back no matter what you think of me or my methods mr. Abbott I'm the man assigned to handle this claim my report has to be completed before the matter can be settled They don't know what they're doing sending a man like you out here filed a claim What did you expect a little decency and respect and courtesy? That's what I expected that Fool Monroe filed a claim. I understand he had power of attorney as your office manager to do that well He did it too soon. I would have waited until things calmed down around here a bit What do you mean? Well you saw how my daughter acts Losing a fine racing animal like red can have a bad moral effect on the entire ranch. That's what I mean Row didn't use his head. So you find him. Well, that's one of the reasons. Yes The reason is I don't like him never did like him What business is that of yours? Are you here to accuse me of something? Mr. Abbott we'll pay off your claim when we're satisfied the circumstances were proper We're not satisfied now Let's discuss those circumstances I'm not afraid of you dollar or your insurance company I don't like you snooping around my office in town talking to my friends about me talking to my daughter about me No, man would if I don't get my information from you, mr. Abbott. I'll get it somewhere else. That'll drag this whole matter out What I've seen of you so far and what information I do have isn't exactly in your favor I don't like that kind of talk. You don't seem to like anything about this Now how about it? Do we keep this up or do we get down to business? The trainer was bringing red back from his afternoon exercise Outside the stall red got scared a mouse or something. He reared back and jammed into the blade of the tractor We use out of the track it cut into his Achilles tendon hamstrung Dr. Gory got here. He said that red didn't have a chance. So I shot him. I like to talk to the trainer What's his name Tom Warner? We're gonna find him isn't around anymore.  Where'd he go? Mr. Evan? I don't know. He took his things and cleared out as fast as he could you knew better to hang around here Well, what do you mean by that? What I said he knew better. That's what I mean Well, I'll have to find him and talk to him Who else was there when it happened? No one just me the rest of them rep at the house having dinner No stable hands your boy. I just told you no one how about right afterwards? I Went to the office and stable and called dr. Gory before or after you fired Tom Warner after I fired him You were there alone with a ninja horse. You didn't call up to the house for help sent for anyone up there You went in and called dr. Gory. Yes, we handle it together any objections It would have been better Perhaps we could have avoided all this unpleasantness if you'd left the remains for us to examine dollar I've got maybe a hundred and fifty head on this farm now, and then accidents happen if one of my stock is dead I get rid of it as fast as I can with as few people as involved as possible. I do that for a number of reasons That's the way I operate nevertheless You were aware the insurance company would ask you for proof of loss in this matter and if the insurance company does not run My farm I run a dollar and I take orders from no one look. I'm trying to tell you the problem We face we have no carcass to examine therefore. We have to ascertain the facts from other sources Did your daughter see any of this the accident or destroying the horse Terry? Yeah, course not You mean those crazy things she was saying when I walked into the room well in view of the crazy circumstances What she was saying might be worth listening to mr. Rabbit Huh, I had the impression that she saw the accident pipe dreams. She wasn't even around like to talk to her just the same Collie Collie You talk to anybody you like I don't care But I hope you made notes today because you've already got all the information You're going to get from me. Yes, Mr. Abby. Yes, sir. Collie. I want you to look at this man Yes, sir. His name is Johnny dollar Yes, sir. If he comes knocking at this door again If he even comes to the front gate if you see him on the grounds ever again throw him out I don't want him around here. Yes, sir. Mr. Abby right now. Collie. You can just show him out You're being foolish about this mr. Rabbit show him out. Collie This way mr. Thomas. Have a mind. I can find my own way I Don't believe mr. Abbott really meant it sound of that way to me Collie. I know how it sounds He's just Well, not himself you understand. Not quite no losing the horse. No sounds to me more like he's losing his mind Does it sir? Huh? Do you think mr. Abbott's losing his mind? Do you? Yes, sir Yes, sir. Sometimes I do Now here's our star to tell you about tomorrow's intriguing episode of this week's story tomorrow The whole case starts to fall apart like a man full of bullet wounds, which is just about the case Join us. Won't you yours truly Johnny dollar yours truly Johnny dollar starring Bob Bailey is transcribed in Hollywood Written by John Dawson. It is produced and directed by Jack Johnstone Be sure to join us tomorrow night same time and station for the next exciting episode of yours truly Johnny dollar Roy Rowan speaking